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From the New York Times:

Genes for Skin Color Rebut Dated Notions of Race, Researchers Say

Carl Zimmer MATTER

OCT. 12, 2017

For centuries, skin color has held powerful social meaning — a defining characteristic of race, and a starting point for racism.

“If you ask somebody on the street, ‘What are the main differences between races?,’ they’re going to say skin color,” said Sarah A. Tishkoff, a geneticist at the University of Pennsylvania.

That’s why everybody confuses white albinos (such as rock stars Edgar and Johnny Winter) and black alibinos, such as model Diandra Forrest (shown below with her baby).

Oh.

Wait.

People don’t actually confuse white and black albinos.

I said way back in 2000 in a VDARE article “Seven Dumb Ideas about Race:”

Race is only skin deep.

I’m sure this bit of conventional wisdom is most comforting to Jews suffering from Tay-Sachs disease, to bla cks enduring sickle cell anemia, and to American Indians battling alcoholism. In reality, there is absolutely nothing that restricts racial differences to “mere cosmetics.” Races can differ in any of the ways that families can differ from each other.

Why? Because a racial group is a partly inbred extended family.

Race is basically about who your ancestors were and thus who your relatives tend to be.

Nobody, not even Tiger Woods, has a wholly random family tree. If you go far enough back into your ancestry, you find more slots open than there were individuals alive at the time. For example, 40 generations back, you family tree has openings for more than trillion ancestors. Obviously, some people wound up doing multiple duty. You are more descended from some people than from others.

Back to the New York Times’ all-out attack on a strawman:

On Thursday, Dr. Tishkoff and her colleagues showed this to be a profound error.

In the journal Science, the researchers published the first large-scale study of the genetics of skin color in Africans. The researchers pinpointed eight genetic variants in four narrow regions of the human genome that strongly influence pigmentation — some making skin darker, and others making it lighter. These genes are shared across the globe, it turns out; one of them, for example, lightens skin in both Europeans and hunter-gatherers in Botswana. The gene variants were present in humanity’s distant ancestors, even before our species evolved in Africa 300,000 years ago.

In other words, the recent theory that humans started out dark-colored and some evolved to get lighter not be all that true. Perhaps proto-humans were light-skinned and some evolved to get darker. Or something more complicated.

The widespread distribution of these genes and their persistence over millenniums show that the old color lines are essentially meaningless, the scientists said. The research “dispels a biological concept of race,” Dr. Tishkoff said.

Right …

… To find the genes that help produce pigments, scientists began by studying people of European ancestry and found that mutations to a gene called SLC24A5 caused cells to make less pigment, leading to paler skin. Unsurprisingly, almost all Europeans have this variant.

“We knew quite a lot about why people have pale skin if they had European ancestry,” said Nicholas G. Crawford, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Pennsylvania and a co-author of the new study. “But there was very little known about why people have dark skin.” Since the early 2000s, Dr. Tishkoff has studied genes in Africa, discovering variants important to everything from resistance to malaria to height. African populations vary tremendously in skin color, and Dr. Tishkoff reasoned that powerful genetic variants must be responsible.

Eh … terms like “vary tremendously” are subjective. I’d be more inclined to say “vary somewhat.” A lot depends upon how much weight you give to the rare but fairly different Bushman/Hottentot racial group, who tend to have a yellow tinge to their brown skin. But, note that very, very few African-Americans (whom NYT subscribers automatically assume we are talking about) have significant Bushman ancestry, so this can be a red herring.

Just about everybody in Africa who is an ancestor of African Americans ranges from very dark brown to medium brown to light brown in some regions with obvious Caucasian intrusion from the North like the Sahara and parts of Ethiopia (as the NYT admits below).

The eight gene variants that Dr. Tishkoff and her colleagues discovered in Africans turned out to be present in many populations outside the continent. By comparing the DNA of these people, the researchers were able to estimate how long ago the genes appeared. They turned out to be immensely old. A variant for light skin — found in both Europeans and the San hunter-gatherers of Botswana — arose roughly 900,000 years ago, for example.

Even before there were Homo sapiens, then, our distant forebears had a mix of genes for light and dark skin. Some populations may have been dark-skinned and others light-skinned; or maybe they were all the same color, produced by a blend of variants.

Living humans come packaged in a wide range of hues — from pale and freckly in Ireland to dark brown in southern India, Australia and New Guinea. Researchers have argued that these varying colors evolved partly in response to sunlight. …

The new genetic evidence supports this explanation, but adds unexpected complexity. The dark-skinned people of southern India, Australia and New Guinea, for example, did not independently evolve their color simply because evolution favored it. They inherited the ancestral dark variants Dr. Tishkoff’s team found in Africans. “They had to be introduced from an African population,” said Dr. Tishkoff.

Yet the same is true for some of the genes that produce light skin in Asia and Europe. They also originated in Africa and were carried from the continent with early migrants.

It would have been helpful to proto-humans to have multiple genes for skin color if their lineages moved back and forth between dwelling in deeply shaded forests and in open country. Africa has both.

As Africans moved into Europe and Asia, they interbred with Neanderthals on several occasions. Last week, Michael Dannemann and Janet Kelso of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany reported that people in Britain still carry a number of Neanderthal variants that color skin.

… Dr. Tishkoff and her colleagues found it frequently not just in Europe, but also in some populations of lighter-skinned Africans in East Africa and Tanzania. Studies of ancient DNA recently discovered in Africa point to an explanation. Several thousand years ago, it seems, a migration of early Near Eastern farmers swept into East Africa.

Abyssinians of the Ethiopian highlands believe they are descended from the son of the Queen of Sheba who was, presumably, from the Arabian peninsula.

Razib Khan offers a less tendentious summary of the report here.

In the Atlantic, Ed Yong compromises, starting with the science and withholding the anti-crimethink agitprop to the end.

 
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  1. Is there a genetic predictor for alcoholism in Indians?

    Is there any genetic predictor of alcoholism at all?

    I’ve read conflicting claims on both questions.

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    It appears to be a lack of certain enzymes that gives some American Indians (and some East Asians) problems with digesting alcohol.
    https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh301/3-4.htm

    "Individuals can be protected against or predisposed to alcoholism by variations in the enzymes that metabolize alcohol (i.e., alcohol dehydrogenase [ADH] and aldehyde dehydrogenase [ALDH]). ... The findings suggest that it is unlikely that Native Americans carry a genetic variant that predisposes them to alcoholism."
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    My grandfather was a drunk, my father was drunk, and I resent the implication.
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  2. not be all that true

    Steve, I applaud your outreach to the Ebonics-speaking Americans. Where can our more recent immigrants find full Pidgin translations?

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  3. Trelane says:

    Carl Zimmer is an elite practicing obscurantism here.

    Dr. Zaius knew certain facts that the average chimp shouldn’t know. Carl Zimmer (Dr. Zaius) is writing this NYT article for the average chimp. There are certain things the average chimp just shouldn’t know.

    The average chimp shouldn’t know race.

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  4. OT: In today’s New York Times:

    Different Ads, Different Ethnicities, Same Car

    Brazen “flight from white” anti-white antipathy from Saatchi & Saatchi. Their ad shows a Jewish-looking dude, a mulatto, and an Asian woman enjoying themselves driving the product, intercut with lame buzzkill ‘whitebread’ whites moping around in different locations.

    New York Times:

    It shows a schoolboy, a young woman with bangs and a bearded man with glasses each waiting impatiently for someone to arrive. Their counterparts — a father, a significant other and a female colleague — appear to have forgotten about their duties as they enjoy separate, unworried joyrides in a Camry, until their phones ring and a reunion takes place. The six actors appear to be a mix of white and nonwhite.

    The agency recoils at the notion that, by default, its ads may be designed to appeal first and foremost to white people.

    “There is no Caucasian market,” said Mark Turner, chief strategy officer of Saatchi & Saatchi, who is white. “The mainstream market as defined by any mass marketer like Toyota actually comprises many different cultures, so we’re not the Caucasian agency. We’re the agency that caters to the transcultural mainstream.”

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    • Replies: @guest
    "Transcultural mainstream?" Only if you win World War T, bucko.
    , @Trelane
    The soundtrack sounds like an immitation of Freddy Mercury and Queen. Cultural appropriation?

    Did you know a well designed Roman nose is often found to have been broken a few times?
    , @Anonymous

    Their ad shows a Jewish-looking dude, a mulatto, and an Asian woman enjoying themselves driving the product, intercut with lame buzzkill ‘whitebread’ whites moping around in different locations.
     
    And at the end the Jewish-looking dude is paired with the whitebread kid, the mulatto with the whitebread woman, and the Asian woman with the whitebread guy.

    All is right in (((Saatchi))) World.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Jenner, my Buick is Caucasian, with an Negroid interior.
    , @njguy73
    The message of the ad is simple:

    It doesn't matter what race, gender, or ethnicity you are. Your life is boring, and you need a Camry to make it seem exciting. You're just a suburban dad picking up his kid, or some corporate drone going to a meeting, or some ordinary dude meeting his basic bitch. You still need our product to make your life worth living. You're all Walter Mittys.
    , @the one they call Desanex
    Boring white people probably value a car as a safe, comfortable way to get from one place to another. Ethnic types know that the whole point of driving is FUN.
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  5. NYT: “Genes for Skin Color Rebut Dated Notions of Race, Researchers Say”

    New York Times journalist Thomas Edsall has dated the period when the Democrat Party abandoned Whites Without College Degrees to 2012.

    The New York Times decries “notions” of race, but Hillary Clinton had a notion that she wanted to live as far away from Blacks as she could. Hillary Clinton’s notion put her in motion to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York.

    DEMOGRAPHY IS DESTINY

    RACE IS THE WHOLE BALL OF WAX

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  6. guest says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT: In today’s New York Times:

    Different Ads, Different Ethnicities, Same Car

    Brazen “flight from white” anti-white antipathy from Saatchi & Saatchi. Their ad shows a Jewish-looking dude, a mulatto, and an Asian woman enjoying themselves driving the product, intercut with lame buzzkill ‘whitebread’ whites moping around in different locations.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPYHWn_plh0

    New York Times:

    It shows a schoolboy, a young woman with bangs and a bearded man with glasses each waiting impatiently for someone to arrive. Their counterparts — a father, a significant other and a female colleague — appear to have forgotten about their duties as they enjoy separate, unworried joyrides in a Camry, until their phones ring and a reunion takes place. The six actors appear to be a mix of white and nonwhite.

    The agency recoils at the notion that, by default, its ads may be designed to appeal first and foremost to white people.

    “There is no Caucasian market,” said Mark Turner, chief strategy officer of Saatchi & Saatchi, who is white. “The mainstream market as defined by any mass marketer like Toyota actually comprises many different cultures, so we’re not the Caucasian agency. We’re the agency that caters to the transcultural mainstream.”
     

    “Transcultural mainstream?” Only if you win World War T, bucko.

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  8. Trelane says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT: In today’s New York Times:

    Different Ads, Different Ethnicities, Same Car

    Brazen “flight from white” anti-white antipathy from Saatchi & Saatchi. Their ad shows a Jewish-looking dude, a mulatto, and an Asian woman enjoying themselves driving the product, intercut with lame buzzkill ‘whitebread’ whites moping around in different locations.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPYHWn_plh0

    New York Times:

    It shows a schoolboy, a young woman with bangs and a bearded man with glasses each waiting impatiently for someone to arrive. Their counterparts — a father, a significant other and a female colleague — appear to have forgotten about their duties as they enjoy separate, unworried joyrides in a Camry, until their phones ring and a reunion takes place. The six actors appear to be a mix of white and nonwhite.

    The agency recoils at the notion that, by default, its ads may be designed to appeal first and foremost to white people.

    “There is no Caucasian market,” said Mark Turner, chief strategy officer of Saatchi & Saatchi, who is white. “The mainstream market as defined by any mass marketer like Toyota actually comprises many different cultures, so we’re not the Caucasian agency. We’re the agency that caters to the transcultural mainstream.”
     

    The soundtrack sounds like an immitation of Freddy Mercury and Queen. Cultural appropriation?

    Did you know a well designed Roman nose is often found to have been broken a few times?

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  9. guest says:

    Genes for skin pigmentation are shared across the globe, therefore there’s no race? Because when you ask the Man on the Street, he says race is skin color. Right.

    Convenient how they’ve been avoiding scientifically studying race, except in areas where it has immediately applicable use like in forensics. Because Man on the Street perception is of course easy to confuse.

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  10. @Roderick Spode
    Is there a genetic predictor for alcoholism in Indians?

    Is there any genetic predictor of alcoholism at all?

    I've read conflicting claims on both questions.

    It appears to be a lack of certain enzymes that gives some American Indians (and some East Asians) problems with digesting alcohol.

    https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh301/3-4.htm

    “Individuals can be protected against or predisposed to alcoholism by variations in the enzymes that metabolize alcohol (i.e., alcohol dehydrogenase [ADH] and aldehyde dehydrogenase [ALDH]). … The findings suggest that it is unlikely that Native Americans carry a genetic variant that predisposes them to alcoholism.”

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  11. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT: In today’s New York Times:

    Different Ads, Different Ethnicities, Same Car

    Brazen “flight from white” anti-white antipathy from Saatchi & Saatchi. Their ad shows a Jewish-looking dude, a mulatto, and an Asian woman enjoying themselves driving the product, intercut with lame buzzkill ‘whitebread’ whites moping around in different locations.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPYHWn_plh0

    New York Times:

    It shows a schoolboy, a young woman with bangs and a bearded man with glasses each waiting impatiently for someone to arrive. Their counterparts — a father, a significant other and a female colleague — appear to have forgotten about their duties as they enjoy separate, unworried joyrides in a Camry, until their phones ring and a reunion takes place. The six actors appear to be a mix of white and nonwhite.

    The agency recoils at the notion that, by default, its ads may be designed to appeal first and foremost to white people.

    “There is no Caucasian market,” said Mark Turner, chief strategy officer of Saatchi & Saatchi, who is white. “The mainstream market as defined by any mass marketer like Toyota actually comprises many different cultures, so we’re not the Caucasian agency. We’re the agency that caters to the transcultural mainstream.”
     

    Their ad shows a Jewish-looking dude, a mulatto, and an Asian woman enjoying themselves driving the product, intercut with lame buzzkill ‘whitebread’ whites moping around in different locations.

    And at the end the Jewish-looking dude is paired with the whitebread kid, the mulatto with the whitebread woman, and the Asian woman with the whitebread guy.

    All is right in (((Saatchi))) World.

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    The whites are:
    Pedo victim
    Cat lady about to hit the wall
    IT grunt
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  12. Jason Liu says:

    This is the researcher’s photo and profile:

    http://www.med.upenn.edu/apps/faculty/index.php/g275/p8186169

    What does her physiognomy tell you about her political beliefs? Think it affects her conclusion?

    Take a load of data, apply a simplistic conclusion — leftist thought in a nutshell.

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  13. Forbes says:

    They (media, academics, et al.) keep saying race is not biological, it’s not skin color–it’s a social construct (or some other gobbledygook). And then the explanation for pigmentation is genetics, genes, alleles, inheritance.

    As if there’s any wonder their circulation and subscriber base declines…

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  14. Logan says:

    I particularly like the headline, as if “dated notions” are somehow automatically false.

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    But isn't that part of the blank-slate/leftist ideology that has swept to power - the clock has been reset. This is CE not AD. Language has changed - don't talk, 'have the conversation' etc.etc. on and on, hate speech, taboos and all the rest. People are born blankslate and Culture starts now, 'western values', multiculture, blank-slate, everything that went before was wrong.
    , @guest
    "as if 'dated notions' are somehow automatically false"

    Of course they are. This is the Current Year!
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  15. Tiny Duck says:

    Obsessing about race is sontored and stupid

    It’s why I encourage my female students to only date Men of Color

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    One gets the feeling that the irony in your remarks is lost on you.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    Sorry, Tiny. But "sontored" is not in my dictionary. Could you please enlighten?

    Anyway, how is encouraging your female students to date MOCs not "obsessing over race"? And if you're really in a hurry to get rid of the White Race, then why not encourage us white menfolk to do the same?

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  16. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    If skin-color is all-important, why did race scientists categorize Hindus as ‘Caucasian’?

    Also, the fact that skin color is only ONE factor of race strengthens the argument for RACE. It’s not just about skin color.

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  17. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT: In today’s New York Times:

    Different Ads, Different Ethnicities, Same Car

    Brazen “flight from white” anti-white antipathy from Saatchi & Saatchi. Their ad shows a Jewish-looking dude, a mulatto, and an Asian woman enjoying themselves driving the product, intercut with lame buzzkill ‘whitebread’ whites moping around in different locations.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPYHWn_plh0

    New York Times:

    It shows a schoolboy, a young woman with bangs and a bearded man with glasses each waiting impatiently for someone to arrive. Their counterparts — a father, a significant other and a female colleague — appear to have forgotten about their duties as they enjoy separate, unworried joyrides in a Camry, until their phones ring and a reunion takes place. The six actors appear to be a mix of white and nonwhite.

    The agency recoils at the notion that, by default, its ads may be designed to appeal first and foremost to white people.

    “There is no Caucasian market,” said Mark Turner, chief strategy officer of Saatchi & Saatchi, who is white. “The mainstream market as defined by any mass marketer like Toyota actually comprises many different cultures, so we’re not the Caucasian agency. We’re the agency that caters to the transcultural mainstream.”
     

    Jenner, my Buick is Caucasian, with an Negroid interior.

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  18. inertial says:

    You have to read closely to see that the “dated notion of race” here is the idea that we were all dark before some of us turned light. But an average NYT reader will assume that the dated notion is that race exists in the first place.

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    • Replies: @notanon
    so are they saying (without saying) that the OoA population looked more like Bushmen?
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  19. At my kids’ school the sensitivity training starts with, “there’s no such thing as racial blindness, it’s a myth. People who say they are racially blind are lying. Race exists and you can’t ignore it, you just have to accept it and respect it.”

    Wish these libtards could get their story straight.

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    • Replies: @Moses
    They don't want you to notice race, except when they want you to notice race.

    Are you White and don't notice race? You're a racist.
    Are you White and notice race (and patterns)? You're a racist.
    Are you White and breathing? You're a racist.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again -- Humans are tribal by nature. Different races are best kept separated.

    , @guest
    There's an intricate interplay in PC-dom between us all being the same and everyone being different. Like a Bach fugue.

    At the same time, it's simple. (Also like Bach.) It's always Whitey's fault. Whatever makes him look worst is what you go with.

    Playing it straight and trying to make sense of it outside of Whitey Bad twists your brain into a Principal Skinnerian pretzel:

    "It's the differences--of which there are none--that makes the sameness exceptional."

    , @Logan
    Odd thing here.

    I have a number of black people I interact with on a regular basis.

    From some I pick up a root hostility towards me for being white. Can't swear whether it's actually there or not, or if my perception is in error.

    From others I don't pick this up, and I just don't think of them as black. I'm sometimes kind of surprised each time on encountering them, because I don't think of them as really "black" to me in the racial sense, they're just people. People who happen to differ considerably in appearance from me and most of the people I'm around, but individuals, not members of a group.

    Or, at least, I think of them as individuals first and members of a race a distant second. OTOH, with the first, hostile, group their race is in my face all the time.
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  20. @Anonymous

    Their ad shows a Jewish-looking dude, a mulatto, and an Asian woman enjoying themselves driving the product, intercut with lame buzzkill ‘whitebread’ whites moping around in different locations.
     
    And at the end the Jewish-looking dude is paired with the whitebread kid, the mulatto with the whitebread woman, and the Asian woman with the whitebread guy.

    All is right in (((Saatchi))) World.

    The whites are:
    Pedo victim
    Cat lady about to hit the wall
    IT grunt

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    Pedo victim, yeah because Jews can't produce White looking kids because Jews have zero percent White ancestry just like Sudanese Dinkas for example.
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  21. Svigor says:

    The beauty of “skin color doesn’t matter” is threefold:

    First, stupid leftists make up this idea that race is about skin color.

    Then, stupid leftists attribute this idea to anyone who notices race, and calls it stupid.

    Then leftists repeat the second step ad infinitum.

    It really takes a special kind of ignorant, bigoted, vapid, and dishonest to be that ignorant, bigoted, vapid, and dishonest.

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    • Replies: @guest
    It's a common journalistic trick: the Strawman Myth. Cook up your own myth that no one actually believes in, then debunk it.

    An example that always stands out in my memory was about Charles "Nazi" "Oh yeah, he was also a pilot or something" Lindbergh, and whether we need to revisit his supposedly historic flight. Because, get this, a couple of Frenchmen might have beat him to the punch by flying across the Atlantic and crashing in Canada or some crap.

    Hello! Lindbergh is famous for successfully completing the first SOLO transatlantic flight. Did you think we forgot about that part?

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  22. notanon says:
    @inertial
    You have to read closely to see that the "dated notion of race" here is the idea that we were all dark before some of us turned light. But an average NYT reader will assume that the dated notion is that race exists in the first place.

    so are they saying (without saying) that the OoA population looked more like Bushmen?

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  23. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Unreal… Carl Zimmer, who wrote that load of crap, actually is one of the better scientific journalists and he certainly knows better. Sarah Tishkoff certainly knows enough genetics to know that their findings in no way rebut any notion/concept of biological races.

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  24. notanon says:

    from the Razib Khan post

    just for fun

    https://gnxp.nofe.me/2017/10/11/the/

    Finally, it’s long been assumed that at some stage early on humans were light skinned on most of their body because we had fur. When we lost our fur is when we would need to have developed dark skin.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadza_people#Oral_tradition

    The Hadza’s oral history of their own past is divided into four epochs, each inhabited by a different culture. According to this tradition, in the beginning of time, the world was inhabited by hairy giants called the Akakaanebe or Gelanebe, “ancestors”…

    In the second epoch, the Akakaanebe were succeeded by the Tlaatlanebe, equally gigantic but without hair…

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  25. utu says:

    Do not let people who do not look like you settle in your countries.

    Skin color as any external phenotype is of the utmost importance for people identification and self-identification. Even if people were exactly the same in their brains (nature) and minds (nurture) a group of people of differing external phenotypes will start to sef-segregate and develop separate identities leading to separate cultures and different ethnic identities and behaviors. No amount of indoctrination and good will that we are all the same and the differences are only skin deep will change the outcome of the process. Clusterization is inevitable.

    Only miscegenation in long term will mediate the process of clusterization of society into ethnic groups and lead eventually to society with quasi-indistinguishable external phenotypical differences. W/o homogenization by miscegenation the society will remain divided.

    Sweden and other European countries that allow settlements of Africans, Arabs, Pakistanis and so on even if the migrants were of top IQs and were most culturally adaptable (no Muslim, no animist, no Jews, no crazy evangelicals) will end up facing the ethnic strife that Americans have to deal with since the end of slavery which is unsolvable and will never be alleviated. However it appears that the Masters if Universe who run the show like this state of affairs and wish to impose it on countries that have not yet been afflicted by it.

    The lesson: Do not let people who do not look like you settle in your countries. Only people who look like you can fool you and fool themselves that they are like you. Mimicry is the most important process leading to smooth assimilation and preventing forming separate ethnic clusters.

    The bottom line is that while IQ is important it is not as important as the skin color. If you let green people into your country you will end up with a hostile green minority. It is not necessarily obvious whether it’s better to have low IQ or high IQ hostile green minority.

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    To paraphrase Jean Raspail: ‘an invasion of rabbits will destroy you as surely as wolves.’ We tend to be complacent about ‘good’ migrants, such as Hindus who are favourably compared with Muslims. There are many examples. Look a little deeper and you will find an abundance of uppity in all these ‘model’ communities when they reach critical mass. Just ask a Muslim in a Hindu province.
    , @Logan
    A high-IQ green hostile minority is likely, sort of by definition, to more effectively implement their hostility.
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  26. “If you go far enough back into your ancestry, you find more slots open than there were individuals alive at the time. ”

    The technical term for that is “pedigree collapse”, fwiw…

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  27. I recently learned that when you go back far enough in time, your genealogical ancestors might not be your biological ancestors, in the sense that they are more related to you than some random person of the same ethnic group.

    See here for an explanation: https://gcbias.org/2013/11/04/how-much-of-your-genome-do-you-inherit-from-a-particular-ancestor/

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    No kidding. If you go back, say, twenty generations, your ancestor will probably share more DNA with his own nephew or cousin than he will with you, a direct, lineal descendant. It's all a function of mathematical probability.
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  28. eah says:

    Where race/ethnicity is concerned, anything is possible today — I think that’s Oliver Twist on the left.

    This is the verified account for ‘Historic England’.

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  29. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Tiny Duck
    Obsessing about race is sontored and stupid

    It's why I encourage my female students to only date Men of Color

    One gets the feeling that the irony in your remarks is lost on you.

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    Maybe. Or maybe he's just a troll. It's hard to tell anymore. These SJWs often seem to be parodies of themselves.
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  30. Moses says:
    @Another Realist
    At my kids' school the sensitivity training starts with, "there's no such thing as racial blindness, it's a myth. People who say they are racially blind are lying. Race exists and you can't ignore it, you just have to accept it and respect it."

    Wish these libtards could get their story straight.

    They don’t want you to notice race, except when they want you to notice race.

    Are you White and don’t notice race? You’re a racist.
    Are you White and notice race (and patterns)? You’re a racist.
    Are you White and breathing? You’re a racist.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again — Humans are tribal by nature. Different races are best kept separated.

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  31. It’s worth understanding SJW logic, even when it’s wrong. Their two key propositions are

    1. race does not exist,
    but
    2. we must obsess about race, tirelessly pointing out race-correlated iniquities and inequities.

    The argument that, supposedly, squares this circle, is that though race does not exist, racists exist. Moreover, these racists (you know who you are) have somehow fixated on a group, “blacks”, they think of as a race — even though they aren’t — and decided to oppress them. Therefore all good people need to provisionally accept the racists’ definition of who is “black”, so as to right wrongs.

    Yeah, it’s 95% nutso and irrational, but I’ve laid it out to the best of my ability, in the hope that’ll be helpful.

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  32. TGGP says: • Website

    “Eh … terms like “vary tremendously” are subjective”
    You can objectively measure the wavelengths of light reflected off skin. Of course, humans place little subjective importance on large ranges of the spectrum (those outside the bounds of visible light). A scientist can tell you something in that range can “vary tremendously”, but can’t make you care.

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  33. njguy73 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT: In today’s New York Times:

    Different Ads, Different Ethnicities, Same Car

    Brazen “flight from white” anti-white antipathy from Saatchi & Saatchi. Their ad shows a Jewish-looking dude, a mulatto, and an Asian woman enjoying themselves driving the product, intercut with lame buzzkill ‘whitebread’ whites moping around in different locations.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPYHWn_plh0

    New York Times:

    It shows a schoolboy, a young woman with bangs and a bearded man with glasses each waiting impatiently for someone to arrive. Their counterparts — a father, a significant other and a female colleague — appear to have forgotten about their duties as they enjoy separate, unworried joyrides in a Camry, until their phones ring and a reunion takes place. The six actors appear to be a mix of white and nonwhite.

    The agency recoils at the notion that, by default, its ads may be designed to appeal first and foremost to white people.

    “There is no Caucasian market,” said Mark Turner, chief strategy officer of Saatchi & Saatchi, who is white. “The mainstream market as defined by any mass marketer like Toyota actually comprises many different cultures, so we’re not the Caucasian agency. We’re the agency that caters to the transcultural mainstream.”
     

    The message of the ad is simple:

    It doesn’t matter what race, gender, or ethnicity you are. Your life is boring, and you need a Camry to make it seem exciting. You’re just a suburban dad picking up his kid, or some corporate drone going to a meeting, or some ordinary dude meeting his basic bitch. You still need our product to make your life worth living. You’re all Walter Mittys.

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  34. Roger says: • Website

    It was known that Europeans are descended from Neanderthals, and from Africans who left Africa 50 years ago. This research opens the possibility of those African ancestors having light skin, as they brought some of the genes for light skin.

    Some Africans have the gene for light skin, but do not actually have light skin. So there are presumably other genes influencing skin color, not covered by this study.

    The Atlantic article tries to imply that this info should be upsetting to white supremacists. I don’t see why.

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    It was known that Europeans are descended from Neanderthals
     
    No.
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  35. G Pinfold says:
    @utu

    Do not let people who do not look like you settle in your countries.
     
    Skin color as any external phenotype is of the utmost importance for people identification and self-identification. Even if people were exactly the same in their brains (nature) and minds (nurture) a group of people of differing external phenotypes will start to sef-segregate and develop separate identities leading to separate cultures and different ethnic identities and behaviors. No amount of indoctrination and good will that we are all the same and the differences are only skin deep will change the outcome of the process. Clusterization is inevitable.

    Only miscegenation in long term will mediate the process of clusterization of society into ethnic groups and lead eventually to society with quasi-indistinguishable external phenotypical differences. W/o homogenization by miscegenation the society will remain divided.

    Sweden and other European countries that allow settlements of Africans, Arabs, Pakistanis and so on even if the migrants were of top IQs and were most culturally adaptable (no Muslim, no animist, no Jews, no crazy evangelicals) will end up facing the ethnic strife that Americans have to deal with since the end of slavery which is unsolvable and will never be alleviated. However it appears that the Masters if Universe who run the show like this state of affairs and wish to impose it on countries that have not yet been afflicted by it.

    The lesson: Do not let people who do not look like you settle in your countries. Only people who look like you can fool you and fool themselves that they are like you. Mimicry is the most important process leading to smooth assimilation and preventing forming separate ethnic clusters.

    The bottom line is that while IQ is important it is not as important as the skin color. If you let green people into your country you will end up with a hostile green minority. It is not necessarily obvious whether it's better to have low IQ or high IQ hostile green minority.

    To paraphrase Jean Raspail: ‘an invasion of rabbits will destroy you as surely as wolves.’ We tend to be complacent about ‘good’ migrants, such as Hindus who are favourably compared with Muslims. There are many examples. Look a little deeper and you will find an abundance of uppity in all these ‘model’ communities when they reach critical mass. Just ask a Muslim in a Hindu province.

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  36. 5371 says:

    There is literally not the tiniest scrap of information in this research which would surprise or disconcert any racist (like me) in the slightest.

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  37. helena says:
    @Logan
    I particularly like the headline, as if "dated notions" are somehow automatically false.

    But isn’t that part of the blank-slate/leftist ideology that has swept to power – the clock has been reset. This is CE not AD. Language has changed – don’t talk, ‘have the conversation’ etc.etc. on and on, hate speech, taboos and all the rest. People are born blankslate and Culture starts now, ‘western values’, multiculture, blank-slate, everything that went before was wrong.

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  38. helena says:

    Peter Frost’s argument is that the environment of the southern hemisphere (he may have said Africa) requires sun protection but once hss moved up into Asia that pressure no longer existed so then, it became possible for other alleles to be expressed. That idea seems to fit with the article’s data.

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    Large parts of Asia are every bit as sunny as any part of Africa.
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  39. Chimps seem to have light skin.

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  40. BozoB says:

    I read (most of) the Ed Yong piece Sailer refers to. “Agitprop” doesn’t quite tell the whole story. The last quotation from one of his sources basically says that whites look more like apes than blacks. However you judge the factualness of that statement, you must admit that it’s inconceivable that The Atlantic would ever print a statement asserting that blacks look more like apes. Once again, the white guy that I am (resentfully, paranoidally, dangerously?) perceives a wee whiff of hostility aimed at his kind.

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  41. guest says:
    @Logan
    I particularly like the headline, as if "dated notions" are somehow automatically false.

    “as if ‘dated notions’ are somehow automatically false”

    Of course they are. This is the Current Year!

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    There have been several attempts to reset the year to zero, notably the French and Cambodian Revolutions. None have turned out well.

    On the bright side, none lasted very long.
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  42. guest says:
    @Another Realist
    At my kids' school the sensitivity training starts with, "there's no such thing as racial blindness, it's a myth. People who say they are racially blind are lying. Race exists and you can't ignore it, you just have to accept it and respect it."

    Wish these libtards could get their story straight.

    There’s an intricate interplay in PC-dom between us all being the same and everyone being different. Like a Bach fugue.

    At the same time, it’s simple. (Also like Bach.) It’s always Whitey’s fault. Whatever makes him look worst is what you go with.

    Playing it straight and trying to make sense of it outside of Whitey Bad twists your brain into a Principal Skinnerian pretzel:

    “It’s the differences–of which there are none–that makes the sameness exceptional.”

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    Celebrate Diversity! Yay! We're all different! Equality! Yay! Enforce, demand equal treatment and outcomes because we're all the same, and equal.
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  43. guest says:
    @Svigor
    The beauty of "skin color doesn't matter" is threefold:

    First, stupid leftists make up this idea that race is about skin color.

    Then, stupid leftists attribute this idea to anyone who notices race, and calls it stupid.

    Then leftists repeat the second step ad infinitum.

    It really takes a special kind of ignorant, bigoted, vapid, and dishonest to be that ignorant, bigoted, vapid, and dishonest.

    It’s a common journalistic trick: the Strawman Myth. Cook up your own myth that no one actually believes in, then debunk it.

    An example that always stands out in my memory was about Charles “Nazi” “Oh yeah, he was also a pilot or something” Lindbergh, and whether we need to revisit his supposedly historic flight. Because, get this, a couple of Frenchmen might have beat him to the punch by flying across the Atlantic and crashing in Canada or some crap.

    Hello! Lindbergh is famous for successfully completing the first SOLO transatlantic flight. Did you think we forgot about that part?

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    As a matter of fact, I have liberal friends who are like this to my face. I saw one of them last winter back in my old hometown and she was curious to know what was going through my head for having openly supported Donald Trump from quite early in the primaries. She spent almost as much time telling me what I believed, in order to refute it on her own terms, as I spent telling her what I believed, and didn't use a facial expression that suggested openness to qualification or nuance from myself.

    The thing is, I don't believe her to be a willfully dishonest person overall - rather the opposite, in fact. But it was fascinating to observe the manner in which her seemingly OCD-like terror at even witnessing someone ELSE entertain certain notions in a certain way so closely resembled a religious believer'a aversion to blasphemy, and all the more so since she's an atheist.

    I have a theory that some sort of scrupulousity-type OCD is rampant among a large swath of white SJWs/SWPLs: it would certainly explain their pathological nervosity in the presence of "triggers" (cognitive-behavior therapists call them "spikes" more generally) that unhinge such caricatural anxiety and guilt as well as the ensuing irrational passions in a lot of otherwise cognitively high-functioning persons. I do think there is also a societal and ideological parallel to actual OCD, so far as the phenomenon may be considered sonething of an epidemic, but I wouldn't be surprised if the actual psychiatric condition were present in many of the individuals who partake in the phenomenon, as well.
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  44. @Tiny Duck
    Obsessing about race is sontored and stupid

    It's why I encourage my female students to only date Men of Color

    Sorry, Tiny. But “sontored” is not in my dictionary. Could you please enlighten?

    Anyway, how is encouraging your female students to date MOCs not “obsessing over race”? And if you’re really in a hurry to get rid of the White Race, then why not encourage us white menfolk to do the same?

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  45. @Roderick Spode
    Is there a genetic predictor for alcoholism in Indians?

    Is there any genetic predictor of alcoholism at all?

    I've read conflicting claims on both questions.

    My grandfather was a drunk, my father was drunk, and I resent the implication.

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  46. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT: In today’s New York Times:

    Different Ads, Different Ethnicities, Same Car

    Brazen “flight from white” anti-white antipathy from Saatchi & Saatchi. Their ad shows a Jewish-looking dude, a mulatto, and an Asian woman enjoying themselves driving the product, intercut with lame buzzkill ‘whitebread’ whites moping around in different locations.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPYHWn_plh0

    New York Times:

    It shows a schoolboy, a young woman with bangs and a bearded man with glasses each waiting impatiently for someone to arrive. Their counterparts — a father, a significant other and a female colleague — appear to have forgotten about their duties as they enjoy separate, unworried joyrides in a Camry, until their phones ring and a reunion takes place. The six actors appear to be a mix of white and nonwhite.

    The agency recoils at the notion that, by default, its ads may be designed to appeal first and foremost to white people.

    “There is no Caucasian market,” said Mark Turner, chief strategy officer of Saatchi & Saatchi, who is white. “The mainstream market as defined by any mass marketer like Toyota actually comprises many different cultures, so we’re not the Caucasian agency. We’re the agency that caters to the transcultural mainstream.”
     

    Boring white people probably value a car as a safe, comfortable way to get from one place to another. Ethnic types know that the whole point of driving is FUN.

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  47. @Return of Shawn
    I recently learned that when you go back far enough in time, your genealogical ancestors might not be your biological ancestors, in the sense that they are more related to you than some random person of the same ethnic group.

    See here for an explanation: https://gcbias.org/2013/11/04/how-much-of-your-genome-do-you-inherit-from-a-particular-ancestor/

    No kidding. If you go back, say, twenty generations, your ancestor will probably share more DNA with his own nephew or cousin than he will with you, a direct, lineal descendant. It’s all a function of mathematical probability.

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  48. @Anon
    One gets the feeling that the irony in your remarks is lost on you.

    Maybe. Or maybe he’s just a troll. It’s hard to tell anymore. These SJWs often seem to be parodies of themselves.

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  49. Logan says:
    @guest
    "as if 'dated notions' are somehow automatically false"

    Of course they are. This is the Current Year!

    There have been several attempts to reset the year to zero, notably the French and Cambodian Revolutions. None have turned out well.

    On the bright side, none lasted very long.

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  50. Jefferson says:
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    The whites are:
    Pedo victim
    Cat lady about to hit the wall
    IT grunt

    Pedo victim, yeah because Jews can’t produce White looking kids because Jews have zero percent White ancestry just like Sudanese Dinkas for example.

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  51. Logan says:
    @helena
    Peter Frost's argument is that the environment of the southern hemisphere (he may have said Africa) requires sun protection but once hss moved up into Asia that pressure no longer existed so then, it became possible for other alleles to be expressed. That idea seems to fit with the article's data.

    Large parts of Asia are every bit as sunny as any part of Africa.

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    Large parts of Asia are every bit as sunny as any part of Africa.
     
    Of course, and the original inhabitants of those sunny parts of Asia were very dark-skin or black, like the Negritos of the Philippines or the Mani people of Thailand and Malaysia.

    https://youtu.be/xXD0M3FhWKY

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  52. Logan says:
    @utu

    Do not let people who do not look like you settle in your countries.
     
    Skin color as any external phenotype is of the utmost importance for people identification and self-identification. Even if people were exactly the same in their brains (nature) and minds (nurture) a group of people of differing external phenotypes will start to sef-segregate and develop separate identities leading to separate cultures and different ethnic identities and behaviors. No amount of indoctrination and good will that we are all the same and the differences are only skin deep will change the outcome of the process. Clusterization is inevitable.

    Only miscegenation in long term will mediate the process of clusterization of society into ethnic groups and lead eventually to society with quasi-indistinguishable external phenotypical differences. W/o homogenization by miscegenation the society will remain divided.

    Sweden and other European countries that allow settlements of Africans, Arabs, Pakistanis and so on even if the migrants were of top IQs and were most culturally adaptable (no Muslim, no animist, no Jews, no crazy evangelicals) will end up facing the ethnic strife that Americans have to deal with since the end of slavery which is unsolvable and will never be alleviated. However it appears that the Masters if Universe who run the show like this state of affairs and wish to impose it on countries that have not yet been afflicted by it.

    The lesson: Do not let people who do not look like you settle in your countries. Only people who look like you can fool you and fool themselves that they are like you. Mimicry is the most important process leading to smooth assimilation and preventing forming separate ethnic clusters.

    The bottom line is that while IQ is important it is not as important as the skin color. If you let green people into your country you will end up with a hostile green minority. It is not necessarily obvious whether it's better to have low IQ or high IQ hostile green minority.

    A high-IQ green hostile minority is likely, sort of by definition, to more effectively implement their hostility.

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  53. Jefferson says:

    If everybody originates from Africa how come there are not only 2 types of people in the world today, Blacks and Black Albinos? How did some Alek Wek looking person millions of years ago tranform into Chelsea Handler?

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  54. Logan says:
    @Another Realist
    At my kids' school the sensitivity training starts with, "there's no such thing as racial blindness, it's a myth. People who say they are racially blind are lying. Race exists and you can't ignore it, you just have to accept it and respect it."

    Wish these libtards could get their story straight.

    Odd thing here.

    I have a number of black people I interact with on a regular basis.

    From some I pick up a root hostility towards me for being white. Can’t swear whether it’s actually there or not, or if my perception is in error.

    From others I don’t pick this up, and I just don’t think of them as black. I’m sometimes kind of surprised each time on encountering them, because I don’t think of them as really “black” to me in the racial sense, they’re just people. People who happen to differ considerably in appearance from me and most of the people I’m around, but individuals, not members of a group.

    Or, at least, I think of them as individuals first and members of a race a distant second. OTOH, with the first, hostile, group their race is in my face all the time.

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  55. Forbes says:
    @guest
    There's an intricate interplay in PC-dom between us all being the same and everyone being different. Like a Bach fugue.

    At the same time, it's simple. (Also like Bach.) It's always Whitey's fault. Whatever makes him look worst is what you go with.

    Playing it straight and trying to make sense of it outside of Whitey Bad twists your brain into a Principal Skinnerian pretzel:

    "It's the differences--of which there are none--that makes the sameness exceptional."

    Celebrate Diversity! Yay! We’re all different! Equality! Yay! Enforce, demand equal treatment and outcomes because we’re all the same, and equal.

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  56. “Obviously, some people wound up doing multiple duty.”

    Ghengis Khan comes to mind.

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  57. Nico says:
    @guest
    It's a common journalistic trick: the Strawman Myth. Cook up your own myth that no one actually believes in, then debunk it.

    An example that always stands out in my memory was about Charles "Nazi" "Oh yeah, he was also a pilot or something" Lindbergh, and whether we need to revisit his supposedly historic flight. Because, get this, a couple of Frenchmen might have beat him to the punch by flying across the Atlantic and crashing in Canada or some crap.

    Hello! Lindbergh is famous for successfully completing the first SOLO transatlantic flight. Did you think we forgot about that part?

    As a matter of fact, I have liberal friends who are like this to my face. I saw one of them last winter back in my old hometown and she was curious to know what was going through my head for having openly supported Donald Trump from quite early in the primaries. She spent almost as much time telling me what I believed, in order to refute it on her own terms, as I spent telling her what I believed, and didn’t use a facial expression that suggested openness to qualification or nuance from myself.

    The thing is, I don’t believe her to be a willfully dishonest person overall – rather the opposite, in fact. But it was fascinating to observe the manner in which her seemingly OCD-like terror at even witnessing someone ELSE entertain certain notions in a certain way so closely resembled a religious believer’a aversion to blasphemy, and all the more so since she’s an atheist.

    I have a theory that some sort of scrupulousity-type OCD is rampant among a large swath of white SJWs/SWPLs: it would certainly explain their pathological nervosity in the presence of “triggers” (cognitive-behavior therapists call them “spikes” more generally) that unhinge such caricatural anxiety and guilt as well as the ensuing irrational passions in a lot of otherwise cognitively high-functioning persons. I do think there is also a societal and ideological parallel to actual OCD, so far as the phenomenon may be considered sonething of an epidemic, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual psychiatric condition were present in many of the individuals who partake in the phenomenon, as well.

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  58. Lewontin’s Fallacy lives!

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  59. gregor says:

    “Researchers have argued that these varying colors evolved partly in response to sunlight. …”

    This is the fallback explanation but it’s rare to see it accompanied with any sort of argument.

    Peter Frost has some interesting posts on this topic. He doesn’t find the sunlight/vitamin D explanation convincing and he notes that Europeans also have very diverse hair and eye color. He argues instead for sexual selection.

    http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2012/10/when-europeans-turned-white.html?m=1

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  60. @Logan
    Large parts of Asia are every bit as sunny as any part of Africa.

    Large parts of Asia are every bit as sunny as any part of Africa.

    Of course, and the original inhabitants of those sunny parts of Asia were very dark-skin or black, like the Negritos of the Philippines or the Mani people of Thailand and Malaysia.

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  61. @Roger
    It was known that Europeans are descended from Neanderthals, and from Africans who left Africa 50 years ago. This research opens the possibility of those African ancestors having light skin, as they brought some of the genes for light skin.

    Some Africans have the gene for light skin, but do not actually have light skin. So there are presumably other genes influencing skin color, not covered by this study.

    The Atlantic article tries to imply that this info should be upsetting to white supremacists. I don't see why.

    It was known that Europeans are descended from Neanderthals

    No.

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  62. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    If race isn’t real, why do all NFL linebackers have blonde wives?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4981250/Patriots-linebacker-wife-injured-car-crash.html

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  63. MEH 0910 says:

    Razib Khan piece: Race is not just skin color

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