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From the New York Times:

Your night clerks traded these cigarillos to me for my weed, fair and square.

New Ferguson Video Adds Wrinkle to Michael Brown Case
By MITCH SMITH MARCH 11, 2017

In the two and a half years since Michael Brown, a black 18-year-old, was shot and killed by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., the explosive case has been parsed in intricate detail. Witnesses offered varying descriptions of the fatal encounter. Investigators examined bloodstain evidence on the street where Mr. Brown died. And the police released a security video from a nearby store that showed Mr. Brown pushing a worker and taking cigarillos minutes before the shooting.

But a second, previously unreported video from that same convenience store included in a new documentary is raising new questions about what happened in the hours before the shooting on Aug. 9, 2014.

The footage shows Mr. Brown entering the store, Ferguson Market and Liquor, shortly after 1 a.m. on the day he died. He approaches the counter, hands over an item that appears to be a small bag and takes a shopping sack filled with cigarillos. Mr. Brown is shown walking toward the door with the sack, then turning around and handing the cigarillos back across the counter before exiting.

Jason Pollock, a documentary filmmaker who acquired the new tape, says the footage challenges the police narrative that Mr. Brown committed a strong-armed robbery when he returned to the store around noon that day. Instead, Mr. Pollock believes that the new video shows Mr. Brown giving a small bag of marijuana to store employees and receiving cigarillos in return as part of a negotiated deal. Mr. Pollock said Mr. Brown left the cigarillos behind the counter for safekeeping.

“There was some type of exchange, for one thing, for another,” Lesley McSpadden, Mr. Brown’s mother, says in Mr. Pollock’s documentary, “Stranger Fruit,” which premiered Saturday at the South by Southwest festival in Austin, Tex., and examines the shooting from the family’s perspective.

I really don’t see how this is supposed to help Brown’s case, but then the whole story fell apart years ago.

Too bad about the thousands of incremental murder victims ever since.

 
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  1. Spmoore8 says:

    What happened at 1 AM, that is, 12 hours before he was shot, is irrelevant. For that matter, the strong arm was also irrelevant, except that the report of that is what led to the confrontation. “Stranger Fruit”? Yeah, that will be right up there with the “Birth of a Nation”remake.

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    • Replies: @guest
    More like Boring Fruit.
    , @40 Acres and A Kardashian
    Right.

    That this is even a story is mind boggling.

    What the Jewish documentary maker appears to be saying is that because Brown was a drug dealer, and not a thief, it was perfectly alright for him to slug the police officer and grab his gun.

    Here he is on CNN. How insanely Talmudic do you have to be to make Chris Cuomo look sensible? (Cuomo's the one who said the other day that fathers who don't want their 14 year old daughters seeing penises in the locker room are hateful and intolerant.)

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  2. JohnnyD says:

    Call me deplorable, but I rather watch a documentary about how Darren Wilson’s life was destroyed by Obama and Eric Holder and their friends in the media.

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    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Seriously, that guy got fucked. Where is he now?
    , @woodNfish
    Wilson had no reason to shoot Brown, but he escalated what was nothing more than traffic incident into a murder. Wilson should be in prison.
  3. Michael Brown would still have been on an adrenalin high when he attacked Darren Wilson, whether the high was produced by a strong-arm robbery, or anger when he thought that a deal had been reneged upon. In any case, the “gentle giant” characterization is totally inaccurate. He was at least a small time drug dealer. I also wonder what was in his system when he was shot. Have the toxicology reports every been released? I suspect he had some marijuana, possibly THC-laced, that was affecting (fatally as it turned out) his judgment.

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    • Replies: @Moshe
    I suspect he had some marijuana, possibly THC-laced,

    Prerry technical jargon there. I assume you know well that of which you speak.

    Kids stepping on your lawn of THC-laced weeds again Minister?
    , @Ripple Earthdevil
    Given that THC is the primary active ingredient in marijuana, did you mean to say "PCP-laced"?
    , @DerSohndesAllvaters
    THC laced? Do you mean PCP?
    , @Me me
    I think you mean PCP laced joint.
  4. Pollock, you say?

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Pollock, you say?
     
    Grouper.
    , @bored identity
    Never Mind the Pollocks!

    He's just a Narrative Safekeeping Punk who thrives on Abstract Expressionism where the buckets of dindudrugliftingshopdealingnuffin' paint are generously poured over a giant scale national TV canvases, while the artist of deception dances around his colorful interpretation of facts.

    This frenzied-calligraphy montage of facts has a long tradition and ancient origin:

    "For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counselors there is safety." ( Proverbs 24:6, )
  5. Broski says:

    “Mr. Pollock said Mr. Brown left the cigarillos behind the counter for safekeeping.”

    Maybe so. That means Brown gave the store’s late-night employees weed for merchandise stolen from the owner. When he returned for the merchandise the owner was working so Brown strong-armed the owner. Then he was in a rage attack and attacked a cop.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Even if this new version of events is true it doesn't really undo the narrative collapse. Does learning that he was a drug dealer instead of a shoplifter really put these events into a different light?
  6. e says:

    I am shocked, shocked, I tell you, that CNN is reporting this version of events!

    CNN : Black Grievance Industry :: WaPost: CIA

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    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    Looks like CNN is desesperate for ratings and to stay relevant.

    And one Hollywood director wants to do a documentary about Michael Brown. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/walk-me-984659
  7. Mr. Anon says:

    NYT: Ferguson’s Michael Brown Wasn’t Shoplifting … He Was Drug-dealing!

    I guess the libertarians will be on his side now.

    Instead, Mr. Pollock believes that the new video shows Mr. Brown giving a small bag of marijuana to store employees and receiving cigarillos in return as part of a negotiated deal. Mr. Pollock said Mr. Brown left the cigarillos behind the counter for safekeeping.

    I’ve seen people claiming that he returned the cigarillos the night before, because he didn’t want to be caught carrying the payment for his illegal transaction, returned the next day to collect them from the day manager, who – not being a party to the deal – thought he was stealing them, and tried to prevent him. This was given as justification for Brown’s actions.

    However, there are a couple of problems with this:

    1.) The deal wasn’t made with the store, but with the night staff who were offering payment in cigarillos………that didn’t belong to them. So, it is still theft.

    2.) So, Brown was reluctant to be walking around at night with a case of cigarillos on him, in case he was stopped by the police. But he was okay with walking around at night with a bag of weed on him? Is that better?

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    • Replies: @anon
    the day manager, who – not being a party to the deal – thought he was stealing them

    It's even possible that he DID know, but just didn't want to be a party to a drug deal.

    Which is why, generally speaking, people who give away drugs tend to get money in exchange for it, which they can later use to purchase Swisher Sweets, or even many other things.

    This whole "give away weed, and then just hope some completely different guy agrees to pay you back later for it" system the kids apparently have now seems fraught with all kinds of potential problems.
    , @Barnard

    I’ve seen people claiming that he returned the cigarillos the night before, because he didn’t want to be caught carrying the payment for his illegal transaction, returned the next day to collect them from the day manager, who – not being a party to the deal – thought he was stealing them, and tried to prevent him. This was given as justification for Brown’s actions.
     
    That is an incredibly stupid, illogical theory. There is nothing anyone could come up with that is so illogical that it wouldn't have made sense to Brown. The larger problem here is that there is a significant portion of the population who thinks any of this makes Brown more sympathetic.
    , @Truth
    What if it was the Indian dude in the video, who owned the store, that he was making the transaction with? That Kat was like, "yo, we negotiated four fat joints and there was only three in the bag, I'm keeping this cigars."

    Old Indians like to get lit too.
    , @Pericles
    So Brown was not smart enough to figure out he should come back when the day manager is not around, or was it just a case of 'all of y'all look alike to me'?
  8. It wasn’t released nor **widely** reported but I did read at the time and in the immediate reporting aftermath that he had been in the same small market/convenience store during the night, hours earlier.

    I thought he was a somewhat mentally deficient small time strong arm thug at the time and I still do. His mother wonders why no monies have been paid to her. well, exhorting the burning down of parts of Ferguson, which iirc happened around 3 times, cancelled any cash settlement, is my guess.

    I also think there is a lot of unreleased surveillance and phone camera material from the incident.

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  9. TGGP says: • Website

    If there was no such robbery reported, it casts doubt on Wilson’s story that he was responding to that report when he stopped Brown. But that’s a relatively minor matter compared to the question of whether Brown attacked Wilson before he was shot

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    • Replies: @anon
    If there was no such robbery reported, it casts doubt on Wilson’s story that he was responding to that report when he stopped Brown.

    Wouldn't you report a guy coming into your store and shoving you around, even if he had claimed to have paid for stuff with weed the night before?
    , @Elli
    IIRC, Wilson didn't know about the robbery when he told Brown to stop walking in the middle of the street. What matters is that Brown did.
    , @ThreeCranes
    I believe Wilson stopped Brown & Co. because they were walking in the middle of the street.

    Much post-event ink was spilled debating whether Officer Wilson did or did not know of the "strong-armed" robbery.

    The point is moot.

    Brown, having just robbed the store would not have known that Wilson did not know about his robbery. He would have just assumed that Wilson was stopping him because of the robbery and his assault on the store clerk.

    "The wicked flee though no one pursues".
    , @Eric Novak
    Robbery was reported. Witnesses saw Brown going after Wilson.
  10. Hmm. Had Brown perhaps worked out a similar deal with one of Officer Wilson’s colleagues? Like maybe Brown traded an ounce of weed for Wilson’s service weapon, which was left with Wilson for safekeeping. So when he grabbed the gun he was actually just collecting payment.

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  11. Anon says:
    @Broski
    "Mr. Pollock said Mr. Brown left the cigarillos behind the counter for safekeeping."

    Maybe so. That means Brown gave the store's late-night employees weed for merchandise stolen from the owner. When he returned for the merchandise the owner was working so Brown strong-armed the owner. Then he was in a rage attack and attacked a cop.

    Even if this new version of events is true it doesn’t really undo the narrative collapse. Does learning that he was a drug dealer instead of a shoplifter really put these events into a different light?

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    All of Eric Holder's DOJ couldn't manage this, CNN is grasping at straws.

    Sink the AT&T/Time Warner merger, watch CNN die.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, Sure does, Brown as a punk ass shoplifter or Brown as a drug dealer, which gives him street cred. Actually you're right, as they already have a permanent plaque in place to commemorate his death, I mean killing.
  12. why are you “smart” people talking about obama/holder astroturfing.

    why are you guys being conned by your enemies.

    not even obama/holder themselves care about negro street trash…you guys spend more time on it than they did.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    why are you... people talking about obama/holder astroturfing.
     
    We really aren't interested in them; but they are very much interested in us...
  13. Moshe says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Michael Brown would still have been on an adrenalin high when he attacked Darren Wilson, whether the high was produced by a strong-arm robbery, or anger when he thought that a deal had been reneged upon. In any case, the "gentle giant" characterization is totally inaccurate. He was at least a small time drug dealer. I also wonder what was in his system when he was shot. Have the toxicology reports every been released? I suspect he had some marijuana, possibly THC-laced, that was affecting (fatally as it turned out) his judgment.

    I suspect he had some marijuana, possibly THC-laced,

    Prerry technical jargon there. I assume you know well that of which you speak.

    Kids stepping on your lawn of THC-laced weeds again Minister?

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    • LOL: Broski
    • Replies: @Olorin
    Judging from my three decades in 70% black America, I figured DH was thinking PCP when he typed THC.

    Donks/chips/soups are pretty popular among genius saints and aspiring HVAC engineers like Gentilius giganticus.

    PCP makes for seriously aggressive and dissociative behavior. I once saw a donker/donkey in the ER fight off six or seven people then bash out one of those wavy glass and metal mesh security partitions. With his head. Then get down on the floor and start trying to eat the safety glass pebbles.

    , @Autochthon
    I think we had some illegal crimes around here about a month ago, so I guess we were due for marihuana infused with THC.

    It all reminds me of a very sheltered kid I went to elementary school with who once said he saw an older kid with a "marihuana cigarette." After I was able to stop laughing I finally was able to explain, "A joint, Gabe; the guy had a joint. Nobody calls it a 'marihuana cigarette.'".
  14. @40 Acres and A Kardashian
    Pollock, you say?

    Pollock, you say?

    Grouper.

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Leave Dr. Seuss out of this. :D
    , @40 Acres and A Kardashian
    Grouper?

    I don't have any time for that PC nonsense.

    Around here we still call them by their traditional name, BlackRunAmericafish.

  15. Maj. Kong says:
    @Anon
    Even if this new version of events is true it doesn't really undo the narrative collapse. Does learning that he was a drug dealer instead of a shoplifter really put these events into a different light?

    All of Eric Holder’s DOJ couldn’t manage this, CNN is grasping at straws.

    Sink the AT&T/Time Warner merger, watch CNN die.

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  16. @Diversity Heretic
    Michael Brown would still have been on an adrenalin high when he attacked Darren Wilson, whether the high was produced by a strong-arm robbery, or anger when he thought that a deal had been reneged upon. In any case, the "gentle giant" characterization is totally inaccurate. He was at least a small time drug dealer. I also wonder what was in his system when he was shot. Have the toxicology reports every been released? I suspect he had some marijuana, possibly THC-laced, that was affecting (fatally as it turned out) his judgment.

    Given that THC is the primary active ingredient in marijuana, did you mean to say “PCP-laced”?

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    I confess my pharmacological ignorance. Yeah, I guess it would be PCP-laced. And I've read that marijuana has different effects on blacks than on whites. Blacks become more aggressive, whites more passive. Has the toxicological data ever been made public?
  17. Camlost says:

    Black folks love, love, love something they call “the hookup”.

    To this day, Jameis Winston still insists that he didn’t steal, because it was a “hookup”:

    http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jameis-winston-claims-he-got-hooked-up-with-stolen-crab-legs/

    It simply doesn’t cross Jameis’ mind that the min wage “hookup” guy behind the counter is not the actual owner/proprietor of the Publix chain of Supermarkets.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    This used to be a good place for crab legs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yil9RksgqK8
    , @Harry Baldwin
    One day while I was checking out at the supermarket, the black cashier was talking to the young black bagger about a woman they both knew who had come through his line earlier and asked him to "pass through" a few expensive items. The cashier explained that that meant slip them by without scanning them. He said he didn't do it because he didn't want to risk his job, but I take it that's that's the sort of request that's not uncommon.
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    When I tended bar in a diverse area, as soon as a guy felt that he had become one of my "regulars" he started asking for "the hookup". As a bar customer I only got "the hookup" if I was a regular and tipped well. These guys, except one, never tipped for shit. But they always wanted to be seen as "big time" getting their "hookup" at the bar. Man, I went through so much Courvoisier!
  18. simplepseud says: • Website

    The lawyer for the Ferguson Market says Pollock’s video was misleadingly edited and they will publish the full video tomorrow: https://twitter.com/pdpj/status/841136460464021504

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  19. OT:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4300170/Terror-fears-hundreds-ghost-ships-turning-GPS.html

    Terror fears over hundreds of ‘ghost ships’ turning off their tracking devices while sailing close to hotspots including Syria and Libya before entering European waters

    http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/education/2017/03/11/test-meant-screen-teachers-instead-weeded-out-minorities/99050796

    Test meant to screen teachers instead weeded out minorities

    NEW YORK (AP) – New York education officials are poised to scrap a test designed to measure the reading and writing skills of people trying to become teachers, in part because an outsized percentage of black and Hispanic candidates were failing it.

    One of the nice white ladies responsible for the above:

    http://www.pace.edu/faculty/leslie-soodak-phd

    Awarded a Verizon Thinkfinity Initiative grant to fund the technology needed to record stories and the resources to investigate the use of narrative as part of her Videostories program; and was part of a team awarded a $1.2 million grant from the U.S. Department of Education’s Office of Special Education Programs for the STARS Inclusive Adolescent Education Program

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    • Replies: @bomag

    A new report says criminal gangs have raked in huge sums of money amid the surge in refugees and migrants attempting to reach the continent.
     
    Looks like the celebrated "refugees" and "migrants" are overpaying.


    This ties into the current topic in that the Michael Browns/migrants of the world let things drift until they are making decisions out of desperation; thus, vibrancy(tm)!

  20. I write a blog about the Ferguson incident.

    I’ll write an article about this video later, but right now I will offer the following remarks.

    The state and federal investigators released to the public many transcripts of interviews of witnesses. However, no transcripts of the interviews of the store clerks have been released. The clerks’ accounts of the incident are provided only indirectly and sketchily in the police report.

    As far as I know, none of the clerks have spoken to any journalists.

    I recall vaguely that the store’s lawyer announced that the clerks did not call the police when Michael Brown stole the cigarillos and assaulted the clerk. The lawyer indicated that, rather, a customer called the police. The store was threatened and was subsequently was destroyed by angry mobs.

    It’s possible that, on the lawyer’s advice, the clerks refused to be interviewed by detectives and other investigators. The store owners probably intended to rebuild and reopen the store and so wanted to avoid a public perception that the clerks’ had reported Brown to the police.

    The US Justice Department’s report on the Ferguson incident does not provide any details about what happened in the store.

    The St. Louis County grand jury released about 5,000 pages of evidence about the Ferguson incident. The only information about what happened in the store is the testimony of Dorian Johnson, who was standing next to Brown near the counter and who walked to and from the store with Brown.

    Johnson talked about the store incident many times — in mass-media interviews, in detective interrogations and to the grand jury. Basically, Johnson said always and consistently that Brown forcibly stole the cigarillos. Johnson said that he was surprised and shocked that Brown did so.

    My explanation of Brown’s actions in the store are in this article:

    http://people-who-did-not-see.blogspot.com/2015/04/brown-had-10-in-his-pocket-when-he.html

    In a nutshell, Brown was temporarily crazy because of physical hunger. He was impatient to go to the next-door McDonald’s restaurant. When the box of cigarillos spilled accidentally onto the store’s floor, he angrily picked up a handful of them and stormed out.

    The fact that Brown had visited the store shortly after midnight was no secret. That visit is mentioned in the 5,000 pages that the grand jury released to the public. It’s mentioned in the notes of the detectives who studied the store’s video recordings. People who studied the 5,000 pages quickly found and pointed out the mention.

    Probably the detectives knew to look at the post-midnight video because store clerks informed the detectives that Brown had come into the store shortly after midnight.

    The video indeed does seem to show that Brown gave the night clerks some bags of marijuana and that then the clerks set a bag of cigarillos aside for Brown. That interpretation of the new video is compelling.

    Although it’s possible that all the clerks might have refused to talk to detectives and other investigators, I think that all the clerks probably did talk to them. All such interviews were recorded and were transcribed and still are available. However, none of the clerks’ interviews have been released to the public or have even been summarized for the public.

    If any of the clerks ever said anything at all in Brown’s favor, then that information would have been reported to the grand jury and then released to the public.

    Brown had been kicked out of his mother’s apartment and then out of his grandmother’s apartment, and so he was sleeping on a couch in a friend’s apartment. The friend knew and mentioned to investigators that Brown went to the store shortly after midnight. Probably the friend knew what much of what happened on that nighttime visit, but the friend was not asked about this in the transcribed interviews.

    I think that the detectives and investigators know who drove Brown to the store for that nighttime visit. If they know, they are concealing the driver’s identity.

    Brown and Johnson were dealing drugs in the neighborhood. The local police had various informants and much knowledge about local drug-trafficking. There were various cans of worms that the police did not want to open up publicly.

    The federal investigators certainly did not want information about Brown’s drug trafficking to be released to the public, because they considered such information to be prejudicial against Brown. The federal investigators were sent to Ferguson to prepare a show trial of the White police officer, Darren Wilson, not to ruin the reputation of the unarmed African-American teenager, Michael Brown.

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    • Replies: @Kyle a
    Crickets..... you ain't from around these parts, are you boy.
    , @SPMoore8
    My explanation of Brown’s actions in the store are in this article: In a nutshell, Brown was temporarily crazy because of physical hunger.

    Maybe the guy who made this documentary should have made a Snickers commercial instead.
  21. My timeline.
    1, early July 2014, Democrats worry about coming election. Blacks not motivated to vote.
    2,. Mid July DNC calls NYT and says, can you play up an incident that will anger blacks?
    3, Aug 9 2014 NYT discovers Ferguson incident.
    4. NYT plays it up, signaling to other media to do the same.
    5. Blacks get angry.
    6, Blacks vote in increased numbers, helping Dems.
    7. Mission accomplished.

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    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @JohnnyD
    ,
    You're right about everything, expect for the "mission accomplished" part. The 2014 and 2016 elections were terrible for Democrats. Blacks didn't come out for the Dems in 2014 or for Hillary in 2016 (neither did Hispanics). And arguably, the Michael Brown fiasco and the BLM radicals got Trump elected last year (along with the Islamic terrorist attacks in America and Europe).
  22. guest says:
    @Spmoore8
    What happened at 1 AM, that is, 12 hours before he was shot, is irrelevant. For that matter, the strong arm was also irrelevant, except that the report of that is what led to the confrontation. "Stranger Fruit"? Yeah, that will be right up there with the "Birth of a Nation"remake.

    More like Boring Fruit.

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  23. @Ripple Earthdevil
    Given that THC is the primary active ingredient in marijuana, did you mean to say "PCP-laced"?

    I confess my pharmacological ignorance. Yeah, I guess it would be PCP-laced. And I’ve read that marijuana has different effects on blacks than on whites. Blacks become more aggressive, whites more passive. Has the toxicological data ever been made public?

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    • Replies: @Truth

    I confess my pharmacological ignorance.
     
    Well, you did with the rest of your post.
  24. Michael Brown basically did not have any money. His mother and then his grandmother had kicked him out of their apartments, so he was sleeping on the couch in a friend’s apartment. He wore the same clothes every day. He didn’t have a job.

    Dorian Johnson was training Brown to deal drugs, and that was Brown’s only hope to earn some money. Brown probably had been told that he had to move out of his friend’s apartment (more correctly, his friend’s sister’s apartment).

    When Brown went to the store shortly after midnight, he did not have any cash. He needed some cigarillos in order to smoke marijuana, so he tried to barter a few of his marijuana bags for cigarillos. The clerks did not accept the barter, so Brown offered to come back with some cash, and so the clerks set aside the bag of cigarillos. Brown promised that he would be right back.

    I think that Brown went out to the car, asked his driver for some cash, but did not get any cash, and so Brown did not go back into the store to pay for the cigarillos.

    In the morning, Brown was outside his apartment and struck up a conversation with a White construction worker. It turned out that this worker seemed to be interested in doing some drug deals. It was a Saturday, and the construction worker intended to stop working at noon and to send his co-worker home.

    Brown informed a drug dealer (not Johnson) about this prospect, and so that drug dealer forwarded Brown $10 to buy a few cigarillos and some lunch so that Brown could continue to talk with the prospect during a noon lunch.

    For that reason, Brown went along with Johnson to the store and then (their intention) to the next-door McDonald’s. Because the store clerk yelled that he was calling the police, however, Johnson and Brown didn’t actually go to the McDonald’s.

    Because Brown was starving — he is a big, fat guy who was high on drugs — he was extremely impatient and cranky. That’s why he stole the cigarillos and why he attacked police officer Darren Wilson.

    As planned, Johnson and Brown were about to return to Brown’s apartment building at about noon — just as the drug-dealing White construction worker was ending his work day and sending his work-colleague home.

    If police officer Wilson had not intervened, Brown might have made a drug deal with the White construction worker, earned some money, and made some real progress on his own drug-dealing career.

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    • Replies: @allahu akbar
    No one cares about the daily life of street trash.

    Thats why obama/holder didnt have to know any of that crap you looked up...all they needed was black body/ white cop. A martyr, see. Thats the only action that brown took that mattered....he was an exploitable martyr.

    I feel sorry for you, that you wasted so much time researching browns eating habits. I doubt if brown himself put as much though into them as you did.

    i also feel sorry for the diverse United states, but thats not really my problem.
    , @anon
    In the morning, Brown was outside his apartment and struck up a conversation with a White construction worker. It turned out that this worker seemed to be interested in doing some drug deals.

    Just out of curiosity, is that the construction worker who claimed that Brown was spreading the message of Jesus that morning? I always found that to be the most humorous detail ofnthis story.
    , @Truth



    Because Brown was starving — he is a big, fat guy who was high on drugs — he was extremely impatient and cranky. That’s why he stole the cigarillos and why he attacked police officer Darren Wilson
     
    So a 300 lb. kid hadn't eaten, and the thing he steals from a convenience store is... cigars?

    I'm thinking maybe your should change your screen name to "Sherlock Holmes", Bro.
    , @Ed
    Wow it seems very plausible. Reminds me of how Trayvon's burglary habit was hardly mentioned in the press. Zimmerman noticed him peering into homes. My thinking is Trayvon, home from school in a new town, was going to target homes to rob during the week. Zimmerman caught him & this threw him into a rage.

    Back to Brown, it's not commenting upon much but many black men start to unravel after HS or 18. Their mothers often still under 40, feel that their job is done. So it's back to chasing men or keeping the new one they got. Conflict increases and mom chooses new guy, out on the street they go. If they're lucky grandma is still around. The unluckier ones bum off friends until they can't no longer.
  25. @Mike Sylwester
    Michael Brown basically did not have any money. His mother and then his grandmother had kicked him out of their apartments, so he was sleeping on the couch in a friend's apartment. He wore the same clothes every day. He didn't have a job.

    Dorian Johnson was training Brown to deal drugs, and that was Brown's only hope to earn some money. Brown probably had been told that he had to move out of his friend's apartment (more correctly, his friend's sister's apartment).

    When Brown went to the store shortly after midnight, he did not have any cash. He needed some cigarillos in order to smoke marijuana, so he tried to barter a few of his marijuana bags for cigarillos. The clerks did not accept the barter, so Brown offered to come back with some cash, and so the clerks set aside the bag of cigarillos. Brown promised that he would be right back.

    I think that Brown went out to the car, asked his driver for some cash, but did not get any cash, and so Brown did not go back into the store to pay for the cigarillos.

    In the morning, Brown was outside his apartment and struck up a conversation with a White construction worker. It turned out that this worker seemed to be interested in doing some drug deals. It was a Saturday, and the construction worker intended to stop working at noon and to send his co-worker home.

    Brown informed a drug dealer (not Johnson) about this prospect, and so that drug dealer forwarded Brown $10 to buy a few cigarillos and some lunch so that Brown could continue to talk with the prospect during a noon lunch.

    For that reason, Brown went along with Johnson to the store and then (their intention) to the next-door McDonald's. Because the store clerk yelled that he was calling the police, however, Johnson and Brown didn't actually go to the McDonald's.

    Because Brown was starving -- he is a big, fat guy who was high on drugs -- he was extremely impatient and cranky. That's why he stole the cigarillos and why he attacked police officer Darren Wilson.

    As planned, Johnson and Brown were about to return to Brown's apartment building at about noon -- just as the drug-dealing White construction worker was ending his work day and sending his work-colleague home.

    If police officer Wilson had not intervened, Brown might have made a drug deal with the White construction worker, earned some money, and made some real progress on his own drug-dealing career.

    No one cares about the daily life of street trash.

    Thats why obama/holder didnt have to know any of that crap you looked up…all they needed was black body/ white cop. A martyr, see. Thats the only action that brown took that mattered….he was an exploitable martyr.

    I feel sorry for you, that you wasted so much time researching browns eating habits. I doubt if brown himself put as much though into them as you did.

    i also feel sorry for the diverse United states, but thats not really my problem.

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  26. Olorin says:
    @Moshe
    I suspect he had some marijuana, possibly THC-laced,

    Prerry technical jargon there. I assume you know well that of which you speak.

    Kids stepping on your lawn of THC-laced weeds again Minister?

    Judging from my three decades in 70% black America, I figured DH was thinking PCP when he typed THC.

    Donks/chips/soups are pretty popular among genius saints and aspiring HVAC engineers like Gentilius giganticus.

    PCP makes for seriously aggressive and dissociative behavior. I once saw a donker/donkey in the ER fight off six or seven people then bash out one of those wavy glass and metal mesh security partitions. With his head. Then get down on the floor and start trying to eat the safety glass pebbles.

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    • Replies: @Moshe
    No shit. We all know what he read and didn't have enough knowledge to understand but by using the technical jargon wanted to come across as someone whose insights were worth considering. What he said was blase and obvious. All he added to it was his egotistical imprimatur as someone who "knows the lingo".

    Nobody commonly familiar with what THC was would ever err quite so hilariously.

    I just don't like posing, it's downright Gladwellian.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/books/review/Pinker-t.html

  27. For sure, this new video was leaked to the public through the lawyers that are representing the Brown family in their lawsuit demanding government compensation for the death of Michael Brown.

    Those lawyers must also have the never-released transcripts of the interviews of all the store clerks.

    Furthermore, those lawyers have questioned Brown’s friend (Brown was sleeping on a couch in the apartment of the friend’s sister) and have questioned the person who drove Brown to the store.

    Furthermore, those lawyers have used discovery to acquire information about police informants in the local drug-dealing scene.

    In sum, the lawyers know much about Brown’s nighttime visit to the store and intend to argue that Brown indeed did use marijuana to barter for the cigarillos and intended to fetch this “purchase” later.

    Because the racist Ferguson department knew all this — or should have known all this — then those racists poisoned all the investigations by releasing to the public the videos showing falsely that Brown stole the cigarillos. The federal investigators told the racist Ferguson police department not to release those videos, but the racist Ferguson police department nevertheless did release the videos to the public.

    The lawyers will argue that the improperly released videos prejudiced the grand jury and also even the US Justice Department’s investigators.

    Therefore the racist Ferguson police department caused a huge injustice and must compensate the Brown family with a multi-million-dollar payoff.

    Our President Trump should refuse to approve a settlement. Let the lawsuit go to trial. Let the public hear the store clerks’ testimonies. Let the public learn all about drug trafficking in Ferguson.

    Let the public learn all about the two White construction workers — what each of them did and intended to do that day.

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  28. George says:

    The upstaning immigrant entrepreneur was in the business of selling beer and blunts to Blacks. At the time I thought Brown tossed a wad of cash to the clerk, and the owner was upset because Brown was too young to buy tobacco. The marijuana theory implies the south Asian clerk/ slave was really making their remittance payment home by reselling Brown’s weed.

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    • Replies: @George
    If the immigrant entrepreneur was running a front for reselling Brown's weed, why did the Ferguson police permit it? This might indicate that the interaction between the cop and Brown was more corrupt than initially assumed.

    And remember Brown had an accomplice throught the whole event who was never charged. Why?
  29. George says:
    @George
    The upstaning immigrant entrepreneur was in the business of selling beer and blunts to Blacks. At the time I thought Brown tossed a wad of cash to the clerk, and the owner was upset because Brown was too young to buy tobacco. The marijuana theory implies the south Asian clerk/ slave was really making their remittance payment home by reselling Brown's weed.

    If the immigrant entrepreneur was running a front for reselling Brown’s weed, why did the Ferguson police permit it? This might indicate that the interaction between the cop and Brown was more corrupt than initially assumed.

    And remember Brown had an accomplice throught the whole event who was never charged. Why?

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    If the immigrant entrepreneur was running a front for reselling Brown’s weed, why did the Ferguson police permit it?
     
    Because the Michael Browns of the world don't contribute enough in taxes to support a suburban police crew in the manner to which they have become accustomed.
    , @guest
    "If the immigrant entrepreneur was running a front for reselling Brown's weed, why did the Ferguson police permit it?"

    That's quite a leap. Since Brown just started in the drug game, from all appearances, they couldn't have been selling his weed for long. More likely it was a hookup (as in, "I got the hookup") and one-time trade. Or if it was to be a regular thing, it hadn't got off the ground yet. The idea of it being a front is another thing altogether. Why assume it wasn't for the clerk's personal use?

    In any case, why imagine the police to be involved, any more than they'd be involved in hundreds of instances of piddling shit in their town? They have better things to do than worry about Gentle Giants buying cigarellos with weed, like parking under bridges and falling asleep on the job.

  30. guest says:

    Why did they set aside the cigarellos? Why didn’t he just take them with him earlier? Was he trying to cut back? Did he have the hots for the clerk, and wanted more time to flirt with him?

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    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester

    Why did they [the store clerks] set aside the cigarellos? Why didn’t he [Michael Brown] just take them with him earlier?
     
    The video does seem to show that Brown tried to barter some marijuana bags for the cigarillos. Since, however, Brown was not allowed to leave the store with the cigarillos, the barter was not accepted by the clerks.

    I suppose that Brown said something like he had left his money in the car and would be right back to pay for the cigarillos with real money. Therefore, the clerks set the cigarillos aside. Brown did not come back with the money.

    The lawyers of the Brown family have leaked this video in order to pressure the Ferguson police department to agree to a settlement. The lawyers' argument is that the police department unfairly prejudiced the public against Brown by releasing to the public the video showing that Brown stole the cigarillos from the store clerks during the day. The lawyers argue that if that video had not prejudiced the public, then the grand jury would have indicted police officer Darren Wilson. Therefore, justice was denied to the Brown's family, and so the family should be compensated with millions of dollars.

    Ferguson is broke, so the decision about whether to settle or to go to trial will be made by Ferguson's insurance company. The Brown family would not win in a trial, but the trial would be so long, complicated and expensive that the insurance company might figure that a settlement is cheaper.
  31. guest says:

    What is the upshot, here? The video was misleading, because instead of attempted robbery he was merely in a scuffle after attempting to retrieve the items he illegally “paid for” earlier with a controlled substance. (And didn’t take with him, why?) My, that changes everything!

    If only we’d known . Then his reaching for the officer’s gun would’ve been a-okay.

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  32. @Camlost
    Black folks love, love, love something they call "the hookup".

    To this day, Jameis Winston still insists that he didn't steal, because it was a "hookup":

    http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jameis-winston-claims-he-got-hooked-up-with-stolen-crab-legs/

    It simply doesn't cross Jameis' mind that the min wage "hookup" guy behind the counter is not the actual owner/proprietor of the Publix chain of Supermarkets.

    This used to be a good place for crab legs:

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  33. Flip says:

    I think the woman who lied to the police about the “hands up, don’t shoot” should have been prosecuted. Martha Stewart went to jail for the same thing.

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    I think the woman who lied to the police about the “hands up, don’t shoot” should have been prosecuted.
     
    If Dorian Johnson, Piaget Crenshaw and Tiffany Mitchell had been tried for perjury, all three would have been convicted. None of them actually saw Michael Brown being shot. Those three whipped up the public hysteria by telling their lies repeatedly through the mass media during the days following the incident. They repeated their lies under oath to the grand jury.

    The most brazen perjurer was Mitchell. She told the grand jury that she was standing only a very short distance -- something like ten feet, as I recall -- away from Brown when he was shot. The prosecutor questioning her for the grand jury was flabbergasted and prodded Mitchell to correct herself. I am sure that every single member of the grand jury recognized that Mitchell would tell any lie necessary to convict a White police officer.

    Crenshaw and Mitchell knew each other because they were co-workers. They had a job doing opinion surveys together in another town. Mitchell would drive Crenshaw to and from the other town, and Mitchell was arriving to pick up Crenshaw when the incident occurred.

    Crenshaw knew Johnson because they lived in the same neighborhood. On the day that Johnson moved into his apartment, Crenshaw introduced herself to him and welcomed him to the neighborhood. Afterwards, they socialized frequently. They were not involved romantically; she was a lesbian and he was married. They were just friends who probably liked to smoke dope and talk trash with each other.

    I have not seen any statement that Mitchell and Johnson knew each other before the incident, but Crenshaw certainly knew both of them well.

    During the confrontation between Michael Brown and police Officer Darren Wilson, Johnson got into a car that was parked along the street. He ducked down inside the car, and so he did not see Brown being shot.

    Crenshaw was inside her second-story bedroom waiting for Mitchell to drive up and honk her car horn. Crenshaw heard the initial gunshots and looked out her windows. She focused on watching her friend Johnson as he hid behind the car and then climbed into the car. She was not watching Brown and Wilson far down the street.

    Mitchell was not able to drive to the front of Crenshaw's apartment, because the police vehicle was blocking the road. Therefore Crenshaw pulled into a parking lot and was parking her car when the fatal shooting occurred.

    Mitchell got out of her car and walked up to Crenshaw's apartment, from where they called local journalists to come investigate the incident and interview them.

    While Johnson was ducked down inside the car, the driver and passenger (their names remain unknown to the public) likewise ducked down, but those two did see some of the incident's final moments in the car's rear-view mirror and through the car's back window.

    After the final shots, the driver drove the car around the police vehicle and up onto the sidewalk and grass. Johnson immediately got out of the car. Perhaps the driver and passenger described briefly to Johnson how they had seen Wilson shoot Brown. Johnson ran to his own apartment. Perhaps the car followed Johnson to the apartment, where there was some further discussion.

    From his apartment, Johnson probably went to Crenshaw's apartment, because he knew that she lived there and that her balcony provided a good vantage point. There, Johnson talked with Crenshaw and Mitchell, and they agreed on a common story that all three had seen Brown standing still, raising his hands and pleading to surrender as Wilson shot him to death.

  34. The overnight news is reporting fresh protests in Ferguson… everything old is new again.

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  35. The commies are trying to rewrite history again with the aim of inciting riots by the choirboys.

    Shouldn’t the FCC review CNN’s license for spreading crap like this?

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    CNN is a cable network and doesn't have an FCC license. We have this thing called the 1st Amendment....
  36. berserker says:

    That is a relief. Good to know that he was simply a hard working young man who was shot by cop.

    - In any case, BLM seems to have disappeared?

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    • Replies: @Alfa158
    Election is over and BLM, was part of the get out the vote group. In fact, Soros turned off their credit cards before the election because they had gotten into negative returns by inspiring Trump voters instead. He is now financing the masked Anti-fa's but BLM in some form will probably be reactivated for the next election.
  37. anon says:
    @TGGP
    If there was no such robbery reported, it casts doubt on Wilson's story that he was responding to that report when he stopped Brown. But that's a relatively minor matter compared to the question of whether Brown attacked Wilson before he was shot

    If there was no such robbery reported, it casts doubt on Wilson’s story that he was responding to that report when he stopped Brown.

    Wouldn’t you report a guy coming into your store and shoving you around, even if he had claimed to have paid for stuff with weed the night before?

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  38. anon says:
    @Mr. Anon

    NYT: Ferguson's Michael Brown Wasn't Shoplifting ... He Was Drug-dealing!
     
    I guess the libertarians will be on his side now.

    Instead, Mr. Pollock believes that the new video shows Mr. Brown giving a small bag of marijuana to store employees and receiving cigarillos in return as part of a negotiated deal. Mr. Pollock said Mr. Brown left the cigarillos behind the counter for safekeeping.
     
    I've seen people claiming that he returned the cigarillos the night before, because he didn't want to be caught carrying the payment for his illegal transaction, returned the next day to collect them from the day manager, who - not being a party to the deal - thought he was stealing them, and tried to prevent him. This was given as justification for Brown's actions.

    However, there are a couple of problems with this:

    1.) The deal wasn't made with the store, but with the night staff who were offering payment in cigarillos.........that didn't belong to them. So, it is still theft.

    2.) So, Brown was reluctant to be walking around at night with a case of cigarillos on him, in case he was stopped by the police. But he was okay with walking around at night with a bag of weed on him? Is that better?

    the day manager, who – not being a party to the deal – thought he was stealing them

    It’s even possible that he DID know, but just didn’t want to be a party to a drug deal.

    Which is why, generally speaking, people who give away drugs tend to get money in exchange for it, which they can later use to purchase Swisher Sweets, or even many other things.

    This whole “give away weed, and then just hope some completely different guy agrees to pay you back later for it” system the kids apparently have now seems fraught with all kinds of potential problems.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Being 6'5" 300 and willing to use it tends to ameliorate those sorts of problems.
    , @Moshe
    Beautiful!
  39. JohnnyD says:
    @Foreign Expert
    My timeline.
    1, early July 2014, Democrats worry about coming election. Blacks not motivated to vote.
    2,. Mid July DNC calls NYT and says, can you play up an incident that will anger blacks?
    3, Aug 9 2014 NYT discovers Ferguson incident.
    4. NYT plays it up, signaling to other media to do the same.
    5. Blacks get angry.
    6, Blacks vote in increased numbers, helping Dems.
    7. Mission accomplished.

    ,
    You’re right about everything, expect for the “mission accomplished” part. The 2014 and 2016 elections were terrible for Democrats. Blacks didn’t come out for the Dems in 2014 or for Hillary in 2016 (neither did Hispanics). And arguably, the Michael Brown fiasco and the BLM radicals got Trump elected last year (along with the Islamic terrorist attacks in America and Europe).

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  40. anon says:
    @Mike Sylwester
    Michael Brown basically did not have any money. His mother and then his grandmother had kicked him out of their apartments, so he was sleeping on the couch in a friend's apartment. He wore the same clothes every day. He didn't have a job.

    Dorian Johnson was training Brown to deal drugs, and that was Brown's only hope to earn some money. Brown probably had been told that he had to move out of his friend's apartment (more correctly, his friend's sister's apartment).

    When Brown went to the store shortly after midnight, he did not have any cash. He needed some cigarillos in order to smoke marijuana, so he tried to barter a few of his marijuana bags for cigarillos. The clerks did not accept the barter, so Brown offered to come back with some cash, and so the clerks set aside the bag of cigarillos. Brown promised that he would be right back.

    I think that Brown went out to the car, asked his driver for some cash, but did not get any cash, and so Brown did not go back into the store to pay for the cigarillos.

    In the morning, Brown was outside his apartment and struck up a conversation with a White construction worker. It turned out that this worker seemed to be interested in doing some drug deals. It was a Saturday, and the construction worker intended to stop working at noon and to send his co-worker home.

    Brown informed a drug dealer (not Johnson) about this prospect, and so that drug dealer forwarded Brown $10 to buy a few cigarillos and some lunch so that Brown could continue to talk with the prospect during a noon lunch.

    For that reason, Brown went along with Johnson to the store and then (their intention) to the next-door McDonald's. Because the store clerk yelled that he was calling the police, however, Johnson and Brown didn't actually go to the McDonald's.

    Because Brown was starving -- he is a big, fat guy who was high on drugs -- he was extremely impatient and cranky. That's why he stole the cigarillos and why he attacked police officer Darren Wilson.

    As planned, Johnson and Brown were about to return to Brown's apartment building at about noon -- just as the drug-dealing White construction worker was ending his work day and sending his work-colleague home.

    If police officer Wilson had not intervened, Brown might have made a drug deal with the White construction worker, earned some money, and made some real progress on his own drug-dealing career.

    In the morning, Brown was outside his apartment and struck up a conversation with a White construction worker. It turned out that this worker seemed to be interested in doing some drug deals.

    Just out of curiosity, is that the construction worker who claimed that Brown was spreading the message of Jesus that morning? I always found that to be the most humorous detail ofnthis story.

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    ... is that the construction worker who claimed that Brown was spreading the message of Jesus that morning?
     
    Yes, he is the same White construction worker.
  41. They want to re-open this issue that they lost badly on, only now it’s 3 years worth of White hardening and media decline later? LOL. Let’s hope they get protests/riots in full swing again too.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Baltimore news has been sparse, so at the appropriate time that specter will be raised. Rotate through the starting lineup of grievance stories (after all, opening day is coming up), then test out the middle relief and closer candidates.
  42. Arclight says:

    Whether Michael Brown was fresh from a strong arm robbery or pondering String Theory up until he assaulted a police officer does not matter. He instigated a chain of events that was going to end in the death of one or the other and he lost, despite all attempts to paint this as a surprising outcome or somehow dependent on his race.

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    • Replies: @Truth

    up until he assaulted a police officer does not matter. He instigated a chain of events that was going to end in the death of one or the other and he lost, despite all attempts to paint this as a surprising outcome or somehow dependent on his race.
     
    Please, Sir, share the video you have been privy to.
  43. Elli says:
    @TGGP
    If there was no such robbery reported, it casts doubt on Wilson's story that he was responding to that report when he stopped Brown. But that's a relatively minor matter compared to the question of whether Brown attacked Wilson before he was shot

    IIRC, Wilson didn’t know about the robbery when he told Brown to stop walking in the middle of the street. What matters is that Brown did.

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  44. @TGGP
    If there was no such robbery reported, it casts doubt on Wilson's story that he was responding to that report when he stopped Brown. But that's a relatively minor matter compared to the question of whether Brown attacked Wilson before he was shot

    I believe Wilson stopped Brown & Co. because they were walking in the middle of the street.

    Much post-event ink was spilled debating whether Officer Wilson did or did not know of the “strong-armed” robbery.

    The point is moot.

    Brown, having just robbed the store would not have known that Wilson did not know about his robbery. He would have just assumed that Wilson was stopping him because of the robbery and his assault on the store clerk.

    “The wicked flee though no one pursues”.

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    • Replies: @Boomstick
    The sequence of events went like this:

    Wilson sees Brown on the street, tells him to get off, then continues.

    Just as he starts to drive off a radio report of the store robbery comes in. The suspect description matches Brown.

    Wilson attempts to interview Brown, Brown attacks Wilson, Brown runs off and then reverses and charges Wilson. Bang bang bang.

    Notice that none of Wilson's justifiable actions are invalidated by an alleged drug deal the night before.
  45. TWalsh2 says:

    OT, a bit – In more framing the narrative news, the Washington Post piece on a Trump National course in California being vandalized initially contained the description of the act as “a daring act of defiance.” After getting blistered in the comment section for such a ridiculous lede, they changed it to” an elaborate act of vandalism.”

    The, ahem “elaborate act of vandalism” consisted of environmentalists trenching a green.

    I don’t think they can help themselves and I don’t think they see how ridiculous they’ve become.

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  46. Tiny Duck says:

    The ignorance on display on these comments is ….wow

    I’m beginning to think the Hatian solution is the only way to make white people do the right thing

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    "The Hatian solution"?

    Do weaves count as haberdashery?

    , @Anonymous Nephew
    What solution did the Hattians have then?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattians
  47. @Flip
    I think the woman who lied to the police about the "hands up, don't shoot" should have been prosecuted. Martha Stewart went to jail for the same thing.

    I think the woman who lied to the police about the “hands up, don’t shoot” should have been prosecuted.

    If Dorian Johnson, Piaget Crenshaw and Tiffany Mitchell had been tried for perjury, all three would have been convicted. None of them actually saw Michael Brown being shot. Those three whipped up the public hysteria by telling their lies repeatedly through the mass media during the days following the incident. They repeated their lies under oath to the grand jury.

    The most brazen perjurer was Mitchell. She told the grand jury that she was standing only a very short distance — something like ten feet, as I recall — away from Brown when he was shot. The prosecutor questioning her for the grand jury was flabbergasted and prodded Mitchell to correct herself. I am sure that every single member of the grand jury recognized that Mitchell would tell any lie necessary to convict a White police officer.

    Crenshaw and Mitchell knew each other because they were co-workers. They had a job doing opinion surveys together in another town. Mitchell would drive Crenshaw to and from the other town, and Mitchell was arriving to pick up Crenshaw when the incident occurred.

    Crenshaw knew Johnson because they lived in the same neighborhood. On the day that Johnson moved into his apartment, Crenshaw introduced herself to him and welcomed him to the neighborhood. Afterwards, they socialized frequently. They were not involved romantically; she was a lesbian and he was married. They were just friends who probably liked to smoke dope and talk trash with each other.

    I have not seen any statement that Mitchell and Johnson knew each other before the incident, but Crenshaw certainly knew both of them well.

    During the confrontation between Michael Brown and police Officer Darren Wilson, Johnson got into a car that was parked along the street. He ducked down inside the car, and so he did not see Brown being shot.

    Crenshaw was inside her second-story bedroom waiting for Mitchell to drive up and honk her car horn. Crenshaw heard the initial gunshots and looked out her windows. She focused on watching her friend Johnson as he hid behind the car and then climbed into the car. She was not watching Brown and Wilson far down the street.

    Mitchell was not able to drive to the front of Crenshaw’s apartment, because the police vehicle was blocking the road. Therefore Crenshaw pulled into a parking lot and was parking her car when the fatal shooting occurred.

    Mitchell got out of her car and walked up to Crenshaw’s apartment, from where they called local journalists to come investigate the incident and interview them.

    While Johnson was ducked down inside the car, the driver and passenger (their names remain unknown to the public) likewise ducked down, but those two did see some of the incident’s final moments in the car’s rear-view mirror and through the car’s back window.

    After the final shots, the driver drove the car around the police vehicle and up onto the sidewalk and grass. Johnson immediately got out of the car. Perhaps the driver and passenger described briefly to Johnson how they had seen Wilson shoot Brown. Johnson ran to his own apartment. Perhaps the car followed Johnson to the apartment, where there was some further discussion.

    From his apartment, Johnson probably went to Crenshaw’s apartment, because he knew that she lived there and that her balcony provided a good vantage point. There, Johnson talked with Crenshaw and Mitchell, and they agreed on a common story that all three had seen Brown standing still, raising his hands and pleading to surrender as Wilson shot him to death.

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  48. @Spmoore8
    What happened at 1 AM, that is, 12 hours before he was shot, is irrelevant. For that matter, the strong arm was also irrelevant, except that the report of that is what led to the confrontation. "Stranger Fruit"? Yeah, that will be right up there with the "Birth of a Nation"remake.

    Right.

    That this is even a story is mind boggling.

    What the Jewish documentary maker appears to be saying is that because Brown was a drug dealer, and not a thief, it was perfectly alright for him to slug the police officer and grab his gun.

    Here he is on CNN. How insanely Talmudic do you have to be to make Chris Cuomo look sensible? (Cuomo’s the one who said the other day that fathers who don’t want their 14 year old daughters seeing penises in the locker room are hateful and intolerant.)

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    • Replies: @BigRedEyeOfJupiter
    LOL at the voice and mannerisms of that documentary filmmaker, a strange fruit indeed! The father looks disgusted at having to be endlessly pawed at. I like the dumb matching hoodies with Browns stunned looking eyes as logo too.
    , @Jack D
    LOL - Michael Brown's image for posterity is that of him dressed as medieval scholar in academic robes and a mortarboard hat.
  49. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Pollock, you say?
     
    Grouper.

    Grouper?

    I don’t have any time for that PC nonsense.

    Around here we still call them by their traditional name, BlackRunAmericafish.

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  50. Thea says:

    OT but Ryan claims the system will collapse if they don’t pass his bill.

    I would love for the system to collapse. It would get rid of leeches like him. I also would have enjoyed watching the too big to fail banks collapse in 08 so what do I know.

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  51. Barnard says:
    @Mr. Anon

    NYT: Ferguson's Michael Brown Wasn't Shoplifting ... He Was Drug-dealing!
     
    I guess the libertarians will be on his side now.

    Instead, Mr. Pollock believes that the new video shows Mr. Brown giving a small bag of marijuana to store employees and receiving cigarillos in return as part of a negotiated deal. Mr. Pollock said Mr. Brown left the cigarillos behind the counter for safekeeping.
     
    I've seen people claiming that he returned the cigarillos the night before, because he didn't want to be caught carrying the payment for his illegal transaction, returned the next day to collect them from the day manager, who - not being a party to the deal - thought he was stealing them, and tried to prevent him. This was given as justification for Brown's actions.

    However, there are a couple of problems with this:

    1.) The deal wasn't made with the store, but with the night staff who were offering payment in cigarillos.........that didn't belong to them. So, it is still theft.

    2.) So, Brown was reluctant to be walking around at night with a case of cigarillos on him, in case he was stopped by the police. But he was okay with walking around at night with a bag of weed on him? Is that better?

    I’ve seen people claiming that he returned the cigarillos the night before, because he didn’t want to be caught carrying the payment for his illegal transaction, returned the next day to collect them from the day manager, who – not being a party to the deal – thought he was stealing them, and tried to prevent him. This was given as justification for Brown’s actions.

    That is an incredibly stupid, illogical theory. There is nothing anyone could come up with that is so illogical that it wouldn’t have made sense to Brown. The larger problem here is that there is a significant portion of the population who thinks any of this makes Brown more sympathetic.

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  52. @Camlost
    Black folks love, love, love something they call "the hookup".

    To this day, Jameis Winston still insists that he didn't steal, because it was a "hookup":

    http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jameis-winston-claims-he-got-hooked-up-with-stolen-crab-legs/

    It simply doesn't cross Jameis' mind that the min wage "hookup" guy behind the counter is not the actual owner/proprietor of the Publix chain of Supermarkets.

    One day while I was checking out at the supermarket, the black cashier was talking to the young black bagger about a woman they both knew who had come through his line earlier and asked him to “pass through” a few expensive items. The cashier explained that that meant slip them by without scanning them. He said he didn’t do it because he didn’t want to risk his job, but I take it that’s that’s the sort of request that’s not uncommon.

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  53. @guest
    Why did they set aside the cigarellos? Why didn't he just take them with him earlier? Was he trying to cut back? Did he have the hots for the clerk, and wanted more time to flirt with him?

    Why did they [the store clerks] set aside the cigarellos? Why didn’t he [Michael Brown] just take them with him earlier?

    The video does seem to show that Brown tried to barter some marijuana bags for the cigarillos. Since, however, Brown was not allowed to leave the store with the cigarillos, the barter was not accepted by the clerks.

    I suppose that Brown said something like he had left his money in the car and would be right back to pay for the cigarillos with real money. Therefore, the clerks set the cigarillos aside. Brown did not come back with the money.

    The lawyers of the Brown family have leaked this video in order to pressure the Ferguson police department to agree to a settlement. The lawyers’ argument is that the police department unfairly prejudiced the public against Brown by releasing to the public the video showing that Brown stole the cigarillos from the store clerks during the day. The lawyers argue that if that video had not prejudiced the public, then the grand jury would have indicted police officer Darren Wilson. Therefore, justice was denied to the Brown’s family, and so the family should be compensated with millions of dollars.

    Ferguson is broke, so the decision about whether to settle or to go to trial will be made by Ferguson’s insurance company. The Brown family would not win in a trial, but the trial would be so long, complicated and expensive that the insurance company might figure that a settlement is cheaper.

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    Supposedly the video prejudiced them by misleading the public into thinking it was attempted robbery. Okay, what was it really? A drug dealer tried to buy something illegally with weed, then got into a fight with a clerk later. Robbery is worse than petty drug dealing and getting into fights, I admit, but dies anyone in their right mind think that would have caused the grand jury to indict Wilson?

    Insurance companies are cowards, but this is an overplayed hand, even for lawyers. Steve's headline captures the absurdity: "Mike Brown was a drug dealer who got in a fight, not a robber, so you better settle!"
  54. Jimi says:

    But a second, previously unreported video from that same convenience store

    Strange choice of word “unreported.” Did the NYT have this footage and sat on it?

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    Strange choice of word “unreported.” Did the NYT have this footage and sat on it?
     
    The store did not want to let the police watch the closed-circuit videos, so the police had to obtain a court warrant. The police then watched the videos.

    Obviously the police knew to watch the video of the incident that took place shortly before noon. That's the video that the police released to the public a few days later.

    It's unknown how the police knew to watch the video of the previous incident that happened at about 1 a.m. Perhaps the police were tipped off by the store clerks -- or perhaps by some other, unknown informant who knew about Brown's drug activities. I speculate that the police knew who drove the car that brought Brown to the store at 1 a.m.

    The detectives who examined the videos wrote in their notes about Brown's nighttime visit to the store. However, those notes were not released to the public until after the grand jury's decision, three months after the incident. The mention is only a couple of sentences in the 5,000 pages of released evidence. It says that Brown arrived in a car, came into the store, tried to buy something unsuccesfully, left the store and got back into the car (I'm speaking here from memory).

    The detectives interviewed the friend who let Brown sleep in a couch in his sister's apartment. That friend remarked in passing that Brown had gone to the store that night to try to buy some cigarillos (again, from my memory). The detective did not ask follow-up questions about that remark.

    Now that the public has seen this video of Brown's nighttime visit, which clearly shows Brown offering marijuana bags to the clerks, the detectives should explain why this attempt to barter marijuana for cigarillos was not mentioned in the detective notes that were released to the public.

    No transcript of any investigative interview with any store clerk has been released to the public. No clerk testified to the grand jury. As far as I know, no clerk has told anything to any journalist.

    Because the Brown family itself is making a public issue of Brown's interactions with the store clerks, the Ferguson detectives should provide better information and explanations.
  55. Anyone know yet the background of that supertrafficked 14-year-old at the Roosevelt Inn in Philly?

    The owner is a Patel, but they all are nowadays. Nobody looks the other way like a Patel. (Well, okay, a big-city “reporter”.)

    That’s a Googoogajooberati name, isn’t it?

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/crime/First-of-kind-lawsuit-accuses-NE-Phila-hotel-of-accomodating-sex-trafficking.html

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    This seems like a dangerous precedent to set & I'm afraid our do gooder elite judges are about to make it one. It's going to turn hotel operators into a defacto police force.
  56. @George
    If the immigrant entrepreneur was running a front for reselling Brown's weed, why did the Ferguson police permit it? This might indicate that the interaction between the cop and Brown was more corrupt than initially assumed.

    And remember Brown had an accomplice throught the whole event who was never charged. Why?

    If the immigrant entrepreneur was running a front for reselling Brown’s weed, why did the Ferguson police permit it?

    Because the Michael Browns of the world don’t contribute enough in taxes to support a suburban police crew in the manner to which they have become accustomed.

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  57. I still intend to write a series of articles about the two White construction workers. Writing here only from my memory, which might be mistaken in some details, those two workers were involved in the incident as follows.

    Because the two workers’ names still are unknown to the public, I call them Pipe Foreman and Pipe Laborer.

    They were working for a construction company that had a contract to install drainage pipes for several apartment buildings in the complex. Whenever it rained heavily, rain water came from the roofs down through the drainage pipes along the outside walls and onto the lawn, where the water puddled and then seeped through the basement walls. Therefore, the construction company was extending the drainage pipes so that the rainwater would flow under the lawn and sidewalk onto the street.

    The construction company was behind schedule on this project, and so these two workers were assigned to work on this Saturday. Pipe Laborer was operating an excavator to dig trenches from the apartment buildings to the streets, and Pipe Foreman was clearing tree roots out of the trenches.

    While Pipe Foreman was clearing the tree roots out of the trench at Michael Brown’s apartment, Brown approached and engaged him in a long conversation, for more than an hour. The conversation soon turned to the subject of drugs, and Brown felt that a profitable drug deal might be possible. Brown left the conversation briefly and informed Dorian Johnson and another drug dealer about the prospect. Then Johnson talked briefly with Pipe Foreman and confirmed that a drug deal indeed was possible.

    At about 11:30, a series of decisions was made. Pipe Foreman decided that he would quit working at noon, so he told Pipe Laborer to finish what he was doing, to park the excavator in a distant parking lot, and to walk back to the apartment building. Then the two workers would clean up their worksite, put their tools in their pickup truck and end their work shift at noon.

    Pipe Foreman intended to send Pipe Laborer home while he himself stayed to talk further with Brown and Johnson to smoke marijuana and to talk about a drug deal.

    Meanwhile, Brown and Johnson walked to the store to get some cigarillos and to buy some food at the next-door McDonald’s restaurant. Brown upset this plan by stealing some cigarillos and provoking the store clerks to call the police, so Brown and Johnson did not stop at the McDonald’s. As planned, however, Brown and Johnson did return to their neighborhood at about noon.

    While Brown and Johnson were walking to and from the store, Pipe Foreman sat in his truck and got high while Pipe Laborer alone cleaned up the work area and gathered the tools. Pipe Laborer did see a glimpse of the final moments of the encounter between Brown and Wilson, but most of the encounter was hidden from his view by a building. Pipe Foreman did see Brown stop running away from Wilson, turn around, and start running at Wilson. At that moment when Brown stopped and turned around, Brown did raise his hands for a moment.

    Pipe Foreman did not see any of it, because he was sitting in his truck and getting high. However, the commotion caused Pipe Foreman to jump out of the truck to look at the scene. Pipe Laborer described what he himself had seen to Pipe Foreman, who then excitedly started to yell that Brown had raised his hands and tried to surrender. Pipe Foreman’s intoxicated, ignorant rant was caught on a video, which later was shown to the public.

    In the following days, Pipe Laborer became terrified. He knew that Pipe Foreman was getting high at work and goofing off with people like Brown and Johnson. He perhaps knew also that Brown was shot to death while coming back to eat lunch with Pipe Foreman. He perhaps knew also that Pipe Foreman had terminated the work shift early at noon only in order to smoke more dope with Brown and Johnson.

    This incident happened on Saturday noon, and on Monday morning Pipe Laborer informed the construction company that he himself was too traumatized by the incident to continue working. Pipe Laborer asked the company to establish a Workers Compensation claim so that he would not have to work for several weeks. The construction company refused to establish such a claim, and instead Pipe Laborer was fired on that same Monday morning. Subsequently, Pipe Laborer stayed out of Pipe Foreman’s sight.

    After the video showing Pipe Foreman’s rant right after the fatal gunshots, Pipe Foreman agreed to be interviewed anonymously by local journalists, and he lied to them that he himself had seen Brown raising his hands and trying to surrender.

    When Johnson was interviewed by detectives, he mentioned that Pipe Foreman and Brown were discussing illegal drugs. The detectives then informed themselves about Pipe Foreman’s criminal record and associations before they interviewed Pipe Foreman. The detectives’ questioning of Pipe Foreman was quite aggressive, demanding an admission that he and Brown were about to do a drug deal when Brown was killed.

    When Pipe Laborer was questioned by the detectives, he played as dumb as he could, but he dropped enough hints that the detectives figured out what had happened.

    If Wilson had been put on trial for killing Brown, the prosecutors would not wanted to present testimony from either of these two White construction workers. The prosecution would have feared that Pipe Laborer, testifying under oath, would have revealed that Pipe Foreman was getting high in anticipation of a drug deal with Brown and did not see any of fatal encounter between Brown and Wilson.

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    I live in Southern California so I am intrigued that there are still White construction workers in other parts of the country. I wonder how they manage that, are those jobs still unionized in the middle of the country? I think the last White construction worker I saw was one of those AA Nice White Ladies on a road construction crew in an orange vest who holds up the Caution sign as you approach.
  58. Ed says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    Anyone know yet the background of that supertrafficked 14-year-old at the Roosevelt Inn in Philly?

    The owner is a Patel, but they all are nowadays. Nobody looks the other way like a Patel. (Well, okay, a big-city "reporter".)

    That's a Googoogajooberati name, isn't it?

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/crime/First-of-kind-lawsuit-accuses-NE-Phila-hotel-of-accomodating-sex-trafficking.html

    This seems like a dangerous precedent to set & I’m afraid our do gooder elite judges are about to make it one. It’s going to turn hotel operators into a defacto police force.

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  59. J1234 says:

    Shows that some of the store’s low rent employees were likely complicit in the theft, and nothing more. Imagine if the cops had released this video back when this story was in the news…BLM protestors would’ve screamed, “They’re trying to ruin the Gentle Giant’s character even more by calling him a drug dealer!”

    This in no way exonerates the Gentle Giant…anyone with a brain can see that, which is why the BLM inspired crowd is making an issue of it. The narrative has changed a bit – the fact remains that he assaulted a store clerk while engaging in illegal activity.

    You know what was most false about the original narrative? That M Brown was a high school graduate who never got into trouble. Dealing drugs as a teenager sounds like trouble to me. Anyway, Darren Wilson didn’t suspect him of being the guy at the store. That’s not why the Gentle Giant was shot.

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  60. Yak-15 says:
    @JohnnyD
    Call me deplorable, but I rather watch a documentary about how Darren Wilson's life was destroyed by Obama and Eric Holder and their friends in the media.

    Seriously, that guy got fucked. Where is he now?

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    • Replies: @Half Canadian
    If I were Wilson, I'd want to stay under the radar. Not because he did nothing wrong, but because there are people who would want to take a shot at him.
    Zimmerman has already had one attempt on his life (if not more).
  61. Alfa158 says:
    @berserker
    That is a relief. Good to know that he was simply a hard working young man who was shot by cop.

    - In any case, BLM seems to have disappeared?

    Election is over and BLM, was part of the get out the vote group. In fact, Soros turned off their credit cards before the election because they had gotten into negative returns by inspiring Trump voters instead. He is now financing the masked Anti-fa’s but BLM in some form will probably be reactivated for the next election.

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    Alfa, I read that the ACLU is training large groups of people on the correct way to protest and demonstrate. Dems are probably learning that rioting blacks hurt their cause.
  62. @Camlost
    Black folks love, love, love something they call "the hookup".

    To this day, Jameis Winston still insists that he didn't steal, because it was a "hookup":

    http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jameis-winston-claims-he-got-hooked-up-with-stolen-crab-legs/

    It simply doesn't cross Jameis' mind that the min wage "hookup" guy behind the counter is not the actual owner/proprietor of the Publix chain of Supermarkets.

    When I tended bar in a diverse area, as soon as a guy felt that he had become one of my “regulars” he started asking for “the hookup”. As a bar customer I only got “the hookup” if I was a regular and tipped well. These guys, except one, never tipped for shit. But they always wanted to be seen as “big time” getting their “hookup” at the bar. Man, I went through so much Courvoisier!

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  63. Moshe says:
    @Olorin
    Judging from my three decades in 70% black America, I figured DH was thinking PCP when he typed THC.

    Donks/chips/soups are pretty popular among genius saints and aspiring HVAC engineers like Gentilius giganticus.

    PCP makes for seriously aggressive and dissociative behavior. I once saw a donker/donkey in the ER fight off six or seven people then bash out one of those wavy glass and metal mesh security partitions. With his head. Then get down on the floor and start trying to eat the safety glass pebbles.

    No shit. We all know what he read and didn’t have enough knowledge to understand but by using the technical jargon wanted to come across as someone whose insights were worth considering. What he said was blase and obvious. All he added to it was his egotistical imprimatur as someone who “knows the lingo”.

    Nobody commonly familiar with what THC was would ever err quite so hilariously.

    I just don’t like posing, it’s downright Gladwellian.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/books/review/Pinker-t.html

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  64. ic1000 says:

    Last night and this (Monday) morning, the CBS News segment on the “new Ferguson video” was full-throttle Fake News. I was struck, again, at how mainstream TV news pitches are aimed at well-meaning, guilt-prone whites who aren’t very political and don’t remember details. The unstated but clear message of the segment: If only America wasn’t so racist, and if only Darren Wilson had been a better cop, gentle Mike Brown would never have been gunned down by police.”

    I am struck, again, at how the agenda-setters of the NYT and CBS News must feel about people like me. To them, I’m a kulak or a member of the landlord class. My comeuppance can’t come soon enough.

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  65. Alfa158 says:
    @Mike Sylwester
    I still intend to write a series of articles about the two White construction workers. Writing here only from my memory, which might be mistaken in some details, those two workers were involved in the incident as follows.

    Because the two workers' names still are unknown to the public, I call them Pipe Foreman and Pipe Laborer.

    They were working for a construction company that had a contract to install drainage pipes for several apartment buildings in the complex. Whenever it rained heavily, rain water came from the roofs down through the drainage pipes along the outside walls and onto the lawn, where the water puddled and then seeped through the basement walls. Therefore, the construction company was extending the drainage pipes so that the rainwater would flow under the lawn and sidewalk onto the street.

    The construction company was behind schedule on this project, and so these two workers were assigned to work on this Saturday. Pipe Laborer was operating an excavator to dig trenches from the apartment buildings to the streets, and Pipe Foreman was clearing tree roots out of the trenches.

    While Pipe Foreman was clearing the tree roots out of the trench at Michael Brown's apartment, Brown approached and engaged him in a long conversation, for more than an hour. The conversation soon turned to the subject of drugs, and Brown felt that a profitable drug deal might be possible. Brown left the conversation briefly and informed Dorian Johnson and another drug dealer about the prospect. Then Johnson talked briefly with Pipe Foreman and confirmed that a drug deal indeed was possible.

    At about 11:30, a series of decisions was made. Pipe Foreman decided that he would quit working at noon, so he told Pipe Laborer to finish what he was doing, to park the excavator in a distant parking lot, and to walk back to the apartment building. Then the two workers would clean up their worksite, put their tools in their pickup truck and end their work shift at noon.

    Pipe Foreman intended to send Pipe Laborer home while he himself stayed to talk further with Brown and Johnson to smoke marijuana and to talk about a drug deal.

    Meanwhile, Brown and Johnson walked to the store to get some cigarillos and to buy some food at the next-door McDonald's restaurant. Brown upset this plan by stealing some cigarillos and provoking the store clerks to call the police, so Brown and Johnson did not stop at the McDonald's. As planned, however, Brown and Johnson did return to their neighborhood at about noon.

    While Brown and Johnson were walking to and from the store, Pipe Foreman sat in his truck and got high while Pipe Laborer alone cleaned up the work area and gathered the tools. Pipe Laborer did see a glimpse of the final moments of the encounter between Brown and Wilson, but most of the encounter was hidden from his view by a building. Pipe Foreman did see Brown stop running away from Wilson, turn around, and start running at Wilson. At that moment when Brown stopped and turned around, Brown did raise his hands for a moment.

    Pipe Foreman did not see any of it, because he was sitting in his truck and getting high. However, the commotion caused Pipe Foreman to jump out of the truck to look at the scene. Pipe Laborer described what he himself had seen to Pipe Foreman, who then excitedly started to yell that Brown had raised his hands and tried to surrender. Pipe Foreman's intoxicated, ignorant rant was caught on a video, which later was shown to the public.

    In the following days, Pipe Laborer became terrified. He knew that Pipe Foreman was getting high at work and goofing off with people like Brown and Johnson. He perhaps knew also that Brown was shot to death while coming back to eat lunch with Pipe Foreman. He perhaps knew also that Pipe Foreman had terminated the work shift early at noon only in order to smoke more dope with Brown and Johnson.

    This incident happened on Saturday noon, and on Monday morning Pipe Laborer informed the construction company that he himself was too traumatized by the incident to continue working. Pipe Laborer asked the company to establish a Workers Compensation claim so that he would not have to work for several weeks. The construction company refused to establish such a claim, and instead Pipe Laborer was fired on that same Monday morning. Subsequently, Pipe Laborer stayed out of Pipe Foreman's sight.

    After the video showing Pipe Foreman's rant right after the fatal gunshots, Pipe Foreman agreed to be interviewed anonymously by local journalists, and he lied to them that he himself had seen Brown raising his hands and trying to surrender.

    When Johnson was interviewed by detectives, he mentioned that Pipe Foreman and Brown were discussing illegal drugs. The detectives then informed themselves about Pipe Foreman's criminal record and associations before they interviewed Pipe Foreman. The detectives' questioning of Pipe Foreman was quite aggressive, demanding an admission that he and Brown were about to do a drug deal when Brown was killed.

    When Pipe Laborer was questioned by the detectives, he played as dumb as he could, but he dropped enough hints that the detectives figured out what had happened.

    If Wilson had been put on trial for killing Brown, the prosecutors would not wanted to present testimony from either of these two White construction workers. The prosecution would have feared that Pipe Laborer, testifying under oath, would have revealed that Pipe Foreman was getting high in anticipation of a drug deal with Brown and did not see any of fatal encounter between Brown and Wilson.

    I live in Southern California so I am intrigued that there are still White construction workers in other parts of the country. I wonder how they manage that, are those jobs still unionized in the middle of the country? I think the last White construction worker I saw was one of those AA Nice White Ladies on a road construction crew in an orange vest who holds up the Caution sign as you approach.

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    Alfa, Here in WNY most union construction workers are white, there are also minorities on the jobs but they don't work. They are the required minority representatives.
    , @Ed
    When I lived in NYC it seemed like most of the guys were white or Puerto Rican (actually they may have been Mohican).

    It wasn't heavily Mexican but maybe that's changed.
  66. Truth says:
    @Mr. Anon

    NYT: Ferguson's Michael Brown Wasn't Shoplifting ... He Was Drug-dealing!
     
    I guess the libertarians will be on his side now.

    Instead, Mr. Pollock believes that the new video shows Mr. Brown giving a small bag of marijuana to store employees and receiving cigarillos in return as part of a negotiated deal. Mr. Pollock said Mr. Brown left the cigarillos behind the counter for safekeeping.
     
    I've seen people claiming that he returned the cigarillos the night before, because he didn't want to be caught carrying the payment for his illegal transaction, returned the next day to collect them from the day manager, who - not being a party to the deal - thought he was stealing them, and tried to prevent him. This was given as justification for Brown's actions.

    However, there are a couple of problems with this:

    1.) The deal wasn't made with the store, but with the night staff who were offering payment in cigarillos.........that didn't belong to them. So, it is still theft.

    2.) So, Brown was reluctant to be walking around at night with a case of cigarillos on him, in case he was stopped by the police. But he was okay with walking around at night with a bag of weed on him? Is that better?

    What if it was the Indian dude in the video, who owned the store, that he was making the transaction with? That Kat was like, “yo, we negotiated four fat joints and there was only three in the bag, I’m keeping this cigars.”

    Old Indians like to get lit too.

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  67. Truth says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    I confess my pharmacological ignorance. Yeah, I guess it would be PCP-laced. And I've read that marijuana has different effects on blacks than on whites. Blacks become more aggressive, whites more passive. Has the toxicological data ever been made public?

    I confess my pharmacological ignorance.

    Well, you did with the rest of your post.

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  68. Truth says:
    @Mike Sylwester
    Michael Brown basically did not have any money. His mother and then his grandmother had kicked him out of their apartments, so he was sleeping on the couch in a friend's apartment. He wore the same clothes every day. He didn't have a job.

    Dorian Johnson was training Brown to deal drugs, and that was Brown's only hope to earn some money. Brown probably had been told that he had to move out of his friend's apartment (more correctly, his friend's sister's apartment).

    When Brown went to the store shortly after midnight, he did not have any cash. He needed some cigarillos in order to smoke marijuana, so he tried to barter a few of his marijuana bags for cigarillos. The clerks did not accept the barter, so Brown offered to come back with some cash, and so the clerks set aside the bag of cigarillos. Brown promised that he would be right back.

    I think that Brown went out to the car, asked his driver for some cash, but did not get any cash, and so Brown did not go back into the store to pay for the cigarillos.

    In the morning, Brown was outside his apartment and struck up a conversation with a White construction worker. It turned out that this worker seemed to be interested in doing some drug deals. It was a Saturday, and the construction worker intended to stop working at noon and to send his co-worker home.

    Brown informed a drug dealer (not Johnson) about this prospect, and so that drug dealer forwarded Brown $10 to buy a few cigarillos and some lunch so that Brown could continue to talk with the prospect during a noon lunch.

    For that reason, Brown went along with Johnson to the store and then (their intention) to the next-door McDonald's. Because the store clerk yelled that he was calling the police, however, Johnson and Brown didn't actually go to the McDonald's.

    Because Brown was starving -- he is a big, fat guy who was high on drugs -- he was extremely impatient and cranky. That's why he stole the cigarillos and why he attacked police officer Darren Wilson.

    As planned, Johnson and Brown were about to return to Brown's apartment building at about noon -- just as the drug-dealing White construction worker was ending his work day and sending his work-colleague home.

    If police officer Wilson had not intervened, Brown might have made a drug deal with the White construction worker, earned some money, and made some real progress on his own drug-dealing career.

    Because Brown was starving — he is a big, fat guy who was high on drugs — he was extremely impatient and cranky. That’s why he stole the cigarillos and why he attacked police officer Darren Wilson

    So a 300 lb. kid hadn’t eaten, and the thing he steals from a convenience store is… cigars?

    I’m thinking maybe your should change your screen name to “Sherlock Holmes”, Bro.

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    So a 300 lb. kid hadn’t eaten, and the thing he steals from a convenience store is… cigars?
     
    We've been trained by our handlers to have such low expectations of the scrabble champions among us that we will believe anything to excuse their behavior.
  69. Boomstick says:
    @ThreeCranes
    I believe Wilson stopped Brown & Co. because they were walking in the middle of the street.

    Much post-event ink was spilled debating whether Officer Wilson did or did not know of the "strong-armed" robbery.

    The point is moot.

    Brown, having just robbed the store would not have known that Wilson did not know about his robbery. He would have just assumed that Wilson was stopping him because of the robbery and his assault on the store clerk.

    "The wicked flee though no one pursues".

    The sequence of events went like this:

    Wilson sees Brown on the street, tells him to get off, then continues.

    Just as he starts to drive off a radio report of the store robbery comes in. The suspect description matches Brown.

    Wilson attempts to interview Brown, Brown attacks Wilson, Brown runs off and then reverses and charges Wilson. Bang bang bang.

    Notice that none of Wilson’s justifiable actions are invalidated by an alleged drug deal the night before.

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  70. Truth says:
    @Arclight
    Whether Michael Brown was fresh from a strong arm robbery or pondering String Theory up until he assaulted a police officer does not matter. He instigated a chain of events that was going to end in the death of one or the other and he lost, despite all attempts to paint this as a surprising outcome or somehow dependent on his race.

    up until he assaulted a police officer does not matter. He instigated a chain of events that was going to end in the death of one or the other and he lost, despite all attempts to paint this as a surprising outcome or somehow dependent on his race.

    Please, Sir, share the video you have been privy to.

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  71. @anon
    the day manager, who – not being a party to the deal – thought he was stealing them

    It's even possible that he DID know, but just didn't want to be a party to a drug deal.

    Which is why, generally speaking, people who give away drugs tend to get money in exchange for it, which they can later use to purchase Swisher Sweets, or even many other things.

    This whole "give away weed, and then just hope some completely different guy agrees to pay you back later for it" system the kids apparently have now seems fraught with all kinds of potential problems.

    Being 6’5″ 300 and willing to use it tends to ameliorate those sorts of problems.

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  72. woodNfish says:
    @JohnnyD
    Call me deplorable, but I rather watch a documentary about how Darren Wilson's life was destroyed by Obama and Eric Holder and their friends in the media.

    Wilson had no reason to shoot Brown, but he escalated what was nothing more than traffic incident into a murder. Wilson should be in prison.

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    • Replies: @BigBlueArseOfNeptune
    The officer should have used his psychic powers to grasp that Brown punching him in the face wasn’t going to continue until death.
  73. MBlanc46 says:

    Not in the Chicago area, which was once a union stronghold. You can’t walk past a construction site these days without hearing blaring Mexican music and jabbering in Spanish.

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  74. Big bully runs into bigger bully, learns the hard way the error of his ways.

    Biggest bully tries to slap down big bully (again), but finally learns where the edge of his turf is.

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  75. So, Saint Michael Brown was in the store dealing drugs in the wee hours, and returned the next day to shove the store owner, then bum-rushed Officer Wilson, well, then three wrongs make a right!

    Sheesh.

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  76. Kyle a says:
    @Mike Sylwester
    I write a blog about the Ferguson incident.

    I'll write an article about this video later, but right now I will offer the following remarks.

    The state and federal investigators released to the public many transcripts of interviews of witnesses. However, no transcripts of the interviews of the store clerks have been released. The clerks' accounts of the incident are provided only indirectly and sketchily in the police report.

    As far as I know, none of the clerks have spoken to any journalists.

    I recall vaguely that the store's lawyer announced that the clerks did not call the police when Michael Brown stole the cigarillos and assaulted the clerk. The lawyer indicated that, rather, a customer called the police. The store was threatened and was subsequently was destroyed by angry mobs.

    It's possible that, on the lawyer's advice, the clerks refused to be interviewed by detectives and other investigators. The store owners probably intended to rebuild and reopen the store and so wanted to avoid a public perception that the clerks' had reported Brown to the police.

    The US Justice Department's report on the Ferguson incident does not provide any details about what happened in the store.

    The St. Louis County grand jury released about 5,000 pages of evidence about the Ferguson incident. The only information about what happened in the store is the testimony of Dorian Johnson, who was standing next to Brown near the counter and who walked to and from the store with Brown.

    Johnson talked about the store incident many times -- in mass-media interviews, in detective interrogations and to the grand jury. Basically, Johnson said always and consistently that Brown forcibly stole the cigarillos. Johnson said that he was surprised and shocked that Brown did so.

    My explanation of Brown's actions in the store are in this article:

    http://people-who-did-not-see.blogspot.com/2015/04/brown-had-10-in-his-pocket-when-he.html

    In a nutshell, Brown was temporarily crazy because of physical hunger. He was impatient to go to the next-door McDonald's restaurant. When the box of cigarillos spilled accidentally onto the store's floor, he angrily picked up a handful of them and stormed out.

    The fact that Brown had visited the store shortly after midnight was no secret. That visit is mentioned in the 5,000 pages that the grand jury released to the public. It's mentioned in the notes of the detectives who studied the store's video recordings. People who studied the 5,000 pages quickly found and pointed out the mention.

    Probably the detectives knew to look at the post-midnight video because store clerks informed the detectives that Brown had come into the store shortly after midnight.

    The video indeed does seem to show that Brown gave the night clerks some bags of marijuana and that then the clerks set a bag of cigarillos aside for Brown. That interpretation of the new video is compelling.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqmnyD8dri8

    Although it's possible that all the clerks might have refused to talk to detectives and other investigators, I think that all the clerks probably did talk to them. All such interviews were recorded and were transcribed and still are available. However, none of the clerks' interviews have been released to the public or have even been summarized for the public.

    If any of the clerks ever said anything at all in Brown's favor, then that information would have been reported to the grand jury and then released to the public.

    Brown had been kicked out of his mother's apartment and then out of his grandmother's apartment, and so he was sleeping on a couch in a friend's apartment. The friend knew and mentioned to investigators that Brown went to the store shortly after midnight. Probably the friend knew what much of what happened on that nighttime visit, but the friend was not asked about this in the transcribed interviews.

    I think that the detectives and investigators know who drove Brown to the store for that nighttime visit. If they know, they are concealing the driver's identity.

    Brown and Johnson were dealing drugs in the neighborhood. The local police had various informants and much knowledge about local drug-trafficking. There were various cans of worms that the police did not want to open up publicly.

    The federal investigators certainly did not want information about Brown's drug trafficking to be released to the public, because they considered such information to be prejudicial against Brown. The federal investigators were sent to Ferguson to prepare a show trial of the White police officer, Darren Wilson, not to ruin the reputation of the unarmed African-American teenager, Michael Brown.

    Crickets….. you ain’t from around these parts, are you boy.

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  77. Moshe says:
    @anon
    the day manager, who – not being a party to the deal – thought he was stealing them

    It's even possible that he DID know, but just didn't want to be a party to a drug deal.

    Which is why, generally speaking, people who give away drugs tend to get money in exchange for it, which they can later use to purchase Swisher Sweets, or even many other things.

    This whole "give away weed, and then just hope some completely different guy agrees to pay you back later for it" system the kids apparently have now seems fraught with all kinds of potential problems.

    Beautiful!

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  78. @Jimi

    But a second, previously unreported video from that same convenience store
     
    Strange choice of word "unreported." Did the NYT have this footage and sat on it?

    Strange choice of word “unreported.” Did the NYT have this footage and sat on it?

    The store did not want to let the police watch the closed-circuit videos, so the police had to obtain a court warrant. The police then watched the videos.

    Obviously the police knew to watch the video of the incident that took place shortly before noon. That’s the video that the police released to the public a few days later.

    It’s unknown how the police knew to watch the video of the previous incident that happened at about 1 a.m. Perhaps the police were tipped off by the store clerks — or perhaps by some other, unknown informant who knew about Brown’s drug activities. I speculate that the police knew who drove the car that brought Brown to the store at 1 a.m.

    The detectives who examined the videos wrote in their notes about Brown’s nighttime visit to the store. However, those notes were not released to the public until after the grand jury’s decision, three months after the incident. The mention is only a couple of sentences in the 5,000 pages of released evidence. It says that Brown arrived in a car, came into the store, tried to buy something unsuccesfully, left the store and got back into the car (I’m speaking here from memory).

    The detectives interviewed the friend who let Brown sleep in a couch in his sister’s apartment. That friend remarked in passing that Brown had gone to the store that night to try to buy some cigarillos (again, from my memory). The detective did not ask follow-up questions about that remark.

    Now that the public has seen this video of Brown’s nighttime visit, which clearly shows Brown offering marijuana bags to the clerks, the detectives should explain why this attempt to barter marijuana for cigarillos was not mentioned in the detective notes that were released to the public.

    No transcript of any investigative interview with any store clerk has been released to the public. No clerk testified to the grand jury. As far as I know, no clerk has told anything to any journalist.

    Because the Brown family itself is making a public issue of Brown’s interactions with the store clerks, the Ferguson detectives should provide better information and explanations.

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  79. bomag says:
    @allahu akbar
    why are you "smart" people talking about obama/holder astroturfing.

    why are you guys being conned by your enemies.

    not even obama/holder themselves care about negro street trash...you guys spend more time on it than they did.

    why are you… people talking about obama/holder astroturfing.

    We really aren’t interested in them; but they are very much interested in us…

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  80. @Anon
    Even if this new version of events is true it doesn't really undo the narrative collapse. Does learning that he was a drug dealer instead of a shoplifter really put these events into a different light?

    Anon, Sure does, Brown as a punk ass shoplifter or Brown as a drug dealer, which gives him street cred. Actually you’re right, as they already have a permanent plaque in place to commemorate his death, I mean killing.

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  81. fish says:

    Marginally OT….

    An update from Americas City of the Future:

    Police: Dad shot dead because car had stick shift

    Wonder which culture is more prone to frustration and impatience over things like this…….wonder, wonder, wonder?

    http://www.sfgate.com/national/article/Police-Dad-shot-dead-because-car-had-stick-shift-10998135.php

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    All three men were described as being in their late-teens or early 20s.
     
    I'll keep an eye out...
    , @Buffalo Joe
    fish, I bought my daughters stick shift cars to take to college, so their friends could not borrow their cars. This is insane, killing a man in front of his 10 year old daughter because you can't drive stick.
  82. guest says:
    @George
    If the immigrant entrepreneur was running a front for reselling Brown's weed, why did the Ferguson police permit it? This might indicate that the interaction between the cop and Brown was more corrupt than initially assumed.

    And remember Brown had an accomplice throught the whole event who was never charged. Why?

    “If the immigrant entrepreneur was running a front for reselling Brown’s weed, why did the Ferguson police permit it?”

    That’s quite a leap. Since Brown just started in the drug game, from all appearances, they couldn’t have been selling his weed for long. More likely it was a hookup (as in, “I got the hookup”) and one-time trade. Or if it was to be a regular thing, it hadn’t got off the ground yet. The idea of it being a front is another thing altogether. Why assume it wasn’t for the clerk’s personal use?

    In any case, why imagine the police to be involved, any more than they’d be involved in hundreds of instances of piddling shit in their town? They have better things to do than worry about Gentle Giants buying cigarellos with weed, like parking under bridges and falling asleep on the job.

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  83. SPMoore8 says:
    @Mike Sylwester
    I write a blog about the Ferguson incident.

    I'll write an article about this video later, but right now I will offer the following remarks.

    The state and federal investigators released to the public many transcripts of interviews of witnesses. However, no transcripts of the interviews of the store clerks have been released. The clerks' accounts of the incident are provided only indirectly and sketchily in the police report.

    As far as I know, none of the clerks have spoken to any journalists.

    I recall vaguely that the store's lawyer announced that the clerks did not call the police when Michael Brown stole the cigarillos and assaulted the clerk. The lawyer indicated that, rather, a customer called the police. The store was threatened and was subsequently was destroyed by angry mobs.

    It's possible that, on the lawyer's advice, the clerks refused to be interviewed by detectives and other investigators. The store owners probably intended to rebuild and reopen the store and so wanted to avoid a public perception that the clerks' had reported Brown to the police.

    The US Justice Department's report on the Ferguson incident does not provide any details about what happened in the store.

    The St. Louis County grand jury released about 5,000 pages of evidence about the Ferguson incident. The only information about what happened in the store is the testimony of Dorian Johnson, who was standing next to Brown near the counter and who walked to and from the store with Brown.

    Johnson talked about the store incident many times -- in mass-media interviews, in detective interrogations and to the grand jury. Basically, Johnson said always and consistently that Brown forcibly stole the cigarillos. Johnson said that he was surprised and shocked that Brown did so.

    My explanation of Brown's actions in the store are in this article:

    http://people-who-did-not-see.blogspot.com/2015/04/brown-had-10-in-his-pocket-when-he.html

    In a nutshell, Brown was temporarily crazy because of physical hunger. He was impatient to go to the next-door McDonald's restaurant. When the box of cigarillos spilled accidentally onto the store's floor, he angrily picked up a handful of them and stormed out.

    The fact that Brown had visited the store shortly after midnight was no secret. That visit is mentioned in the 5,000 pages that the grand jury released to the public. It's mentioned in the notes of the detectives who studied the store's video recordings. People who studied the 5,000 pages quickly found and pointed out the mention.

    Probably the detectives knew to look at the post-midnight video because store clerks informed the detectives that Brown had come into the store shortly after midnight.

    The video indeed does seem to show that Brown gave the night clerks some bags of marijuana and that then the clerks set a bag of cigarillos aside for Brown. That interpretation of the new video is compelling.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqmnyD8dri8

    Although it's possible that all the clerks might have refused to talk to detectives and other investigators, I think that all the clerks probably did talk to them. All such interviews were recorded and were transcribed and still are available. However, none of the clerks' interviews have been released to the public or have even been summarized for the public.

    If any of the clerks ever said anything at all in Brown's favor, then that information would have been reported to the grand jury and then released to the public.

    Brown had been kicked out of his mother's apartment and then out of his grandmother's apartment, and so he was sleeping on a couch in a friend's apartment. The friend knew and mentioned to investigators that Brown went to the store shortly after midnight. Probably the friend knew what much of what happened on that nighttime visit, but the friend was not asked about this in the transcribed interviews.

    I think that the detectives and investigators know who drove Brown to the store for that nighttime visit. If they know, they are concealing the driver's identity.

    Brown and Johnson were dealing drugs in the neighborhood. The local police had various informants and much knowledge about local drug-trafficking. There were various cans of worms that the police did not want to open up publicly.

    The federal investigators certainly did not want information about Brown's drug trafficking to be released to the public, because they considered such information to be prejudicial against Brown. The federal investigators were sent to Ferguson to prepare a show trial of the White police officer, Darren Wilson, not to ruin the reputation of the unarmed African-American teenager, Michael Brown.

    My explanation of Brown’s actions in the store are in this article: In a nutshell, Brown was temporarily crazy because of physical hunger.

    Maybe the guy who made this documentary should have made a Snickers commercial instead.

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  84. Ivy says:
    @27 year old
    They want to re-open this issue that they lost badly on, only now it's 3 years worth of White hardening and media decline later? LOL. Let's hope they get protests/riots in full swing again too.

    Baltimore news has been sparse, so at the appropriate time that specter will be raised. Rotate through the starting lineup of grievance stories (after all, opening day is coming up), then test out the middle relief and closer candidates.

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  85. guest says:
    @Mike Sylwester

    Why did they [the store clerks] set aside the cigarellos? Why didn’t he [Michael Brown] just take them with him earlier?
     
    The video does seem to show that Brown tried to barter some marijuana bags for the cigarillos. Since, however, Brown was not allowed to leave the store with the cigarillos, the barter was not accepted by the clerks.

    I suppose that Brown said something like he had left his money in the car and would be right back to pay for the cigarillos with real money. Therefore, the clerks set the cigarillos aside. Brown did not come back with the money.

    The lawyers of the Brown family have leaked this video in order to pressure the Ferguson police department to agree to a settlement. The lawyers' argument is that the police department unfairly prejudiced the public against Brown by releasing to the public the video showing that Brown stole the cigarillos from the store clerks during the day. The lawyers argue that if that video had not prejudiced the public, then the grand jury would have indicted police officer Darren Wilson. Therefore, justice was denied to the Brown's family, and so the family should be compensated with millions of dollars.

    Ferguson is broke, so the decision about whether to settle or to go to trial will be made by Ferguson's insurance company. The Brown family would not win in a trial, but the trial would be so long, complicated and expensive that the insurance company might figure that a settlement is cheaper.

    Supposedly the video prejudiced them by misleading the public into thinking it was attempted robbery. Okay, what was it really? A drug dealer tried to buy something illegally with weed, then got into a fight with a clerk later. Robbery is worse than petty drug dealing and getting into fights, I admit, but dies anyone in their right mind think that would have caused the grand jury to indict Wilson?

    Insurance companies are cowards, but this is an overplayed hand, even for lawyers. Steve’s headline captures the absurdity: “Mike Brown was a drug dealer who got in a fight, not a robber, so you better settle!”

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  86. @Alfa158
    Election is over and BLM, was part of the get out the vote group. In fact, Soros turned off their credit cards before the election because they had gotten into negative returns by inspiring Trump voters instead. He is now financing the masked Anti-fa's but BLM in some form will probably be reactivated for the next election.

    Alfa, I read that the ACLU is training large groups of people on the correct way to protest and demonstrate. Dems are probably learning that rioting blacks hurt their cause.

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    They have a very thin pool of white men, currently. I like to spread the idea that the only whites on their side are bitter, childless spinsters & homosexual men. Maybe someone could create a meme.
  87. @Alfa158
    I live in Southern California so I am intrigued that there are still White construction workers in other parts of the country. I wonder how they manage that, are those jobs still unionized in the middle of the country? I think the last White construction worker I saw was one of those AA Nice White Ladies on a road construction crew in an orange vest who holds up the Caution sign as you approach.

    Alfa, Here in WNY most union construction workers are white, there are also minorities on the jobs but they don’t work. They are the required minority representatives.

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  88. Ed says:
    @Mike Sylwester
    Michael Brown basically did not have any money. His mother and then his grandmother had kicked him out of their apartments, so he was sleeping on the couch in a friend's apartment. He wore the same clothes every day. He didn't have a job.

    Dorian Johnson was training Brown to deal drugs, and that was Brown's only hope to earn some money. Brown probably had been told that he had to move out of his friend's apartment (more correctly, his friend's sister's apartment).

    When Brown went to the store shortly after midnight, he did not have any cash. He needed some cigarillos in order to smoke marijuana, so he tried to barter a few of his marijuana bags for cigarillos. The clerks did not accept the barter, so Brown offered to come back with some cash, and so the clerks set aside the bag of cigarillos. Brown promised that he would be right back.

    I think that Brown went out to the car, asked his driver for some cash, but did not get any cash, and so Brown did not go back into the store to pay for the cigarillos.

    In the morning, Brown was outside his apartment and struck up a conversation with a White construction worker. It turned out that this worker seemed to be interested in doing some drug deals. It was a Saturday, and the construction worker intended to stop working at noon and to send his co-worker home.

    Brown informed a drug dealer (not Johnson) about this prospect, and so that drug dealer forwarded Brown $10 to buy a few cigarillos and some lunch so that Brown could continue to talk with the prospect during a noon lunch.

    For that reason, Brown went along with Johnson to the store and then (their intention) to the next-door McDonald's. Because the store clerk yelled that he was calling the police, however, Johnson and Brown didn't actually go to the McDonald's.

    Because Brown was starving -- he is a big, fat guy who was high on drugs -- he was extremely impatient and cranky. That's why he stole the cigarillos and why he attacked police officer Darren Wilson.

    As planned, Johnson and Brown were about to return to Brown's apartment building at about noon -- just as the drug-dealing White construction worker was ending his work day and sending his work-colleague home.

    If police officer Wilson had not intervened, Brown might have made a drug deal with the White construction worker, earned some money, and made some real progress on his own drug-dealing career.

    Wow it seems very plausible. Reminds me of how Trayvon’s burglary habit was hardly mentioned in the press. Zimmerman noticed him peering into homes. My thinking is Trayvon, home from school in a new town, was going to target homes to rob during the week. Zimmerman caught him & this threw him into a rage.

    Back to Brown, it’s not commenting upon much but many black men start to unravel after HS or 18. Their mothers often still under 40, feel that their job is done. So it’s back to chasing men or keeping the new one they got. Conflict increases and mom chooses new guy, out on the street they go. If they’re lucky grandma is still around. The unluckier ones bum off friends until they can’t no longer.

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    What I gathered from the hilarious testimony of Martin's phone buddy is that St. Trayvon of the Skittles was thrown into "gay panic." Or rather, he thought Zimmerman was being a homo and taught him a lesson. The very act of watching and following constituted a "dis," but following while homo is a double-dis, and had to be addressed.

    Or maybe all men who'd follow him are by definition homos. I'm not entirely familiar with the mindset.

  89. Ed says:
    @Alfa158
    I live in Southern California so I am intrigued that there are still White construction workers in other parts of the country. I wonder how they manage that, are those jobs still unionized in the middle of the country? I think the last White construction worker I saw was one of those AA Nice White Ladies on a road construction crew in an orange vest who holds up the Caution sign as you approach.

    When I lived in NYC it seemed like most of the guys were white or Puerto Rican (actually they may have been Mohican).

    It wasn’t heavily Mexican but maybe that’s changed.

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  90. Olorin says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The ignorance on display on these comments is ....wow


    I'm beginning to think the Hatian solution is the only way to make white people do the right thing

    “The Hatian solution”?

    Do weaves count as haberdashery?

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  91. Pericles says:
    @Mr. Anon

    NYT: Ferguson's Michael Brown Wasn't Shoplifting ... He Was Drug-dealing!
     
    I guess the libertarians will be on his side now.

    Instead, Mr. Pollock believes that the new video shows Mr. Brown giving a small bag of marijuana to store employees and receiving cigarillos in return as part of a negotiated deal. Mr. Pollock said Mr. Brown left the cigarillos behind the counter for safekeeping.
     
    I've seen people claiming that he returned the cigarillos the night before, because he didn't want to be caught carrying the payment for his illegal transaction, returned the next day to collect them from the day manager, who - not being a party to the deal - thought he was stealing them, and tried to prevent him. This was given as justification for Brown's actions.

    However, there are a couple of problems with this:

    1.) The deal wasn't made with the store, but with the night staff who were offering payment in cigarillos.........that didn't belong to them. So, it is still theft.

    2.) So, Brown was reluctant to be walking around at night with a case of cigarillos on him, in case he was stopped by the police. But he was okay with walking around at night with a bag of weed on him? Is that better?

    So Brown was not smart enough to figure out he should come back when the day manager is not around, or was it just a case of ‘all of y’all look alike to me’?

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  92. Thea says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Alfa, I read that the ACLU is training large groups of people on the correct way to protest and demonstrate. Dems are probably learning that rioting blacks hurt their cause.

    They have a very thin pool of white men, currently. I like to spread the idea that the only whites on their side are bitter, childless spinsters & homosexual men. Maybe someone could create a meme.

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  93. Jack ryan says: • Website

    The classic best ever commentary on these events is Chris Rock s

    “How not to get your as@ beat by the police”

    Michael Brown did most everything wrong

    Strutting down the middle of an automobile street instead of using the sidewalk – that s basic.

    It s called the “sidewalk ” – a safe place on the side of automobile roads where it s safe to walk

    Then there were so many other stupid things Michael Brown did but just listen to Chris Rock.

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  94. guest says:
    @Ed
    Wow it seems very plausible. Reminds me of how Trayvon's burglary habit was hardly mentioned in the press. Zimmerman noticed him peering into homes. My thinking is Trayvon, home from school in a new town, was going to target homes to rob during the week. Zimmerman caught him & this threw him into a rage.

    Back to Brown, it's not commenting upon much but many black men start to unravel after HS or 18. Their mothers often still under 40, feel that their job is done. So it's back to chasing men or keeping the new one they got. Conflict increases and mom chooses new guy, out on the street they go. If they're lucky grandma is still around. The unluckier ones bum off friends until they can't no longer.

    What I gathered from the hilarious testimony of Martin’s phone buddy is that St. Trayvon of the Skittles was thrown into “gay panic.” Or rather, he thought Zimmerman was being a homo and taught him a lesson. The very act of watching and following constituted a “dis,” but following while homo is a double-dis, and had to be addressed.

    Or maybe all men who’d follow him are by definition homos. I’m not entirely familiar with the mindset.

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  95. @Tiny Duck
    The ignorance on display on these comments is ....wow


    I'm beginning to think the Hatian solution is the only way to make white people do the right thing

    What solution did the Hattians have then?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattians

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  96. Hrw-500 says:
    @e
    I am shocked, shocked, I tell you, that CNN is reporting this version of events!

    CNN : Black Grievance Industry :: WaPost: CIA

    Looks like CNN is desesperate for ratings and to stay relevant.

    And one Hollywood director wants to do a documentary about Michael Brown. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/walk-me-984659

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  97. The federal investigators who came to Ferguson to try to prepare a federal show-trial of the White police officer Darren Wilson tried to prevent the release of any derogatory information about the Black unarmed teenager, Michael Brown.

    For several days, the Ferguson Police Department kept secret the identity of the White police officer while Blacks demanded that the White officer be named to the local mobs.

    Because Blacks complained that the Ferguson Police Department release all details about the incident, the police chief released — despite the federal investigators’ objections — the video of Brown’s strong-arm robbery of the store.

    —–

    The federal investigators would have tried to keep the robbery secret from the pubic forever, but the robbery was relevant to the shooting for at least two reasons.

    The first reason was the claim — still disputed — that Wilson confronted Brown and Johnson because Wilson had heard about the robbery on his police radio.

    The second reason was a white Monte Carlo car that was seen at the store and near Wilson’s police vehicle. The driver of such a white Monte Carlo and left the store at about the same times as Brown and Johnson entered and left the store. Ten minutes later, Johnson hid behind a white Monte Carlo as Wilson was chasing Brown down the street. A couple witnesses said they saw Johnson jump into white Monte Carlo.

    At the least, the car’s two occupants were witnesses to the shooting. Furthermore, the car’s occupants might have been involved in the activities of Brown and Johnson.

    —–

    When the detectives studied the videos of Brown’s nighttime visit to the store, they observed that he arrived and departed as a passenger in a car, but this car was not the white Monte Carlo.

    Apparently, Brown did not have any cash during that nighttime visit to the store, and he was not able to obtain any cash from anyone in the the car that brought him to the store that night.

    —–

    Brown’s drug-dealing became relevant to the investigation because one of the two White construction workers — “Pipe Foreman” — kept saying that he saw Brown standing still, raising his hands and pleading to surrender while Wilson shot him repeatedly. Furthermore, “Pipe Foreman” said that a half-hour earlier Brown had talked a lot about loving Jesus.

    Because “Pipe Foreman” might testify along those lines in a trial of police officer Wilson, the investigators became very interested in the motivations of “Pipe Foreman” and in his relationship to Brown. The relationship seemed to be based on potential drug deals. When Brown attacked police officer Wilson, Brown was about a one-minute walk away from meeting “Pipe Foreman”. When Brown ran away from Wilson, Brown ran directly toward “Pipe Foreman”.

    That is why the investigators would have become interested in Brown’s nighttime visit to the store to obtain cigarillos to use for smoking dope. Did Brown’s nighttime visit have something to do with his drug-dealing relationship to “Pipe Foreman”?

    —–

    The public did not have a need to know all the investigators’ drug-related information about Brown or the witnesses, and the investigators did not want to reveal all their sources and informants about such information. So, the public does not know everything that the investigators know.

    It seems that the investigators concealed some information about Brown’s nighttime visit to the store. Perhaps they considered the information to be unfairly prejudicial against Brown’s reputation. Now, however, that the Brown family is making an issue of that visit, the public should be informed more fully.

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  98. Mr. Blank says:

    So can this excuse be generalized to all other instances of apparent misbehavior, or is it strictly limited to Michael Brown? Could John Derbyshire get National Review to give him his old job back if he told them, “I know it looked like I was writing a column about black people, but I was actually just selling weed.” Would Rich Lowry be all like, “Oh, shit, Derb, why didn’t you just say so? That changes everything!”

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  99. @anon
    In the morning, Brown was outside his apartment and struck up a conversation with a White construction worker. It turned out that this worker seemed to be interested in doing some drug deals.

    Just out of curiosity, is that the construction worker who claimed that Brown was spreading the message of Jesus that morning? I always found that to be the most humorous detail ofnthis story.

    … is that the construction worker who claimed that Brown was spreading the message of Jesus that morning?

    Yes, he is the same White construction worker.

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    Awesome! Thanks!

    Too bad they couldn't have called Jesus to the witness stand. See if he had said:

    "Go forth, my son. And robbest thou a convenience store!"

    to Mike Brown that day.
  100. @Yak-15
    Seriously, that guy got fucked. Where is he now?

    If I were Wilson, I’d want to stay under the radar. Not because he did nothing wrong, but because there are people who would want to take a shot at him.
    Zimmerman has already had one attempt on his life (if not more).

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  101. anon says:
    @Mike Sylwester

    ... is that the construction worker who claimed that Brown was spreading the message of Jesus that morning?
     
    Yes, he is the same White construction worker.

    Awesome! Thanks!

    Too bad they couldn’t have called Jesus to the witness stand. See if he had said:

    “Go forth, my son. And robbest thou a convenience store!”

    to Mike Brown that day.

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  102. donut says:

    98 comments on this lame post . I know you have household chores to do but even so you could have done better than this.

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    NYT subscribers are unaware of their lameness. The rest of us need to know the degree of their incapacity.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Who are you, and what have you done with poor donut?
    You didn't insert a space before your final period .
  103. @TGGP
    If there was no such robbery reported, it casts doubt on Wilson's story that he was responding to that report when he stopped Brown. But that's a relatively minor matter compared to the question of whether Brown attacked Wilson before he was shot

    Robbery was reported. Witnesses saw Brown going after Wilson.

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  104. @donut
    98 comments on this lame post . I know you have household chores to do but even so you could have done better than this.

    NYT subscribers are unaware of their lameness. The rest of us need to know the degree of their incapacity.

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  105. anon says:

    Of course, now, the real video is out, and you can see that the clerks actually reject the trade.

    http://www.kmov.com/story/34785019/raw-surveillance-video-of-michael-brown-at-ferguson-market

    Fast forward to about seven minutes in to see.

    So, all of this for nothing.

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    • Replies: @Broski
    Agreed. It looks like he was trying to trade a cell phone. Strange the clerks bagged the cigarillos first, but maybe they thought he was planning to pay for them instead of give them a cell phone of dubious provenance. The clerks' gesticulations indicate they rejected the deal.
  106. @Moshe
    I suspect he had some marijuana, possibly THC-laced,

    Prerry technical jargon there. I assume you know well that of which you speak.

    Kids stepping on your lawn of THC-laced weeds again Minister?

    I think we had some illegal crimes around here about a month ago, so I guess we were due for marihuana infused with THC.

    It all reminds me of a very sheltered kid I went to elementary school with who once said he saw an older kid with a “marihuana cigarette.” After I was able to stop laughing I finally was able to explain, “A joint, Gabe; the guy had a joint. Nobody calls it a ‘marihuana cigarette.’”.

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    • Replies: @Broski
    Meh, he meant to say PCP. Why assume the weed was laced with PCP I don't know, but it's not as absurd as saying THC-laced weed.
  107. Broski says:
    @anon
    Of course, now, the real video is out, and you can see that the clerks actually reject the trade.

    http://www.kmov.com/story/34785019/raw-surveillance-video-of-michael-brown-at-ferguson-market

    Fast forward to about seven minutes in to see.

    So, all of this for nothing.

    Agreed. It looks like he was trying to trade a cell phone. Strange the clerks bagged the cigarillos first, but maybe they thought he was planning to pay for them instead of give them a cell phone of dubious provenance. The clerks’ gesticulations indicate they rejected the deal.

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  108. Broski says:
    @Autochthon
    I think we had some illegal crimes around here about a month ago, so I guess we were due for marihuana infused with THC.

    It all reminds me of a very sheltered kid I went to elementary school with who once said he saw an older kid with a "marihuana cigarette." After I was able to stop laughing I finally was able to explain, "A joint, Gabe; the guy had a joint. Nobody calls it a 'marihuana cigarette.'".

    Meh, he meant to say PCP. Why assume the weed was laced with PCP I don’t know, but it’s not as absurd as saying THC-laced weed.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Perhaps he was referring to "Spice" , "K2" ," 24K Gold " or "Herbal Kush " , sold illicitly in gas stations and sometimes referred to as "Synthetic THC" . Many articles have been produced documenting this phenomena . Even the old gray lady has gotten in on the action , proving its legitimacy ...........

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4039244/Drug-caused-Walking-Dead-scene-Brooklyn-33-people-zombie-like-bad-batch-synthetic-marijuana-identified.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3687547/33-people-hospitalized-New-York-K2-drug-overdose.html



    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/nyregion/k2-synthetic-marijuana-overdose-in-brooklyn.html
  109. @woodNfish
    Wilson had no reason to shoot Brown, but he escalated what was nothing more than traffic incident into a murder. Wilson should be in prison.

    The officer should have used his psychic powers to grasp that Brown punching him in the face wasn’t going to continue until death.

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    • Replies: @woodNfish
    BigBlue, Brown was running away from Wilson when Wilson started shooting at him. Wilson could have let him go and had him arrested later. Instead, he decided to murder Brown who was unarmed. I know Brown was a big kid. He was huge, but he was also unarmed and Wilson is a trained officer. Wilson should be spending at least 30 years in prison for murder.

    There are a lot of bad cops out there and Wilson is one of them.
  110. @40 Acres and A Kardashian
    Right.

    That this is even a story is mind boggling.

    What the Jewish documentary maker appears to be saying is that because Brown was a drug dealer, and not a thief, it was perfectly alright for him to slug the police officer and grab his gun.

    Here he is on CNN. How insanely Talmudic do you have to be to make Chris Cuomo look sensible? (Cuomo's the one who said the other day that fathers who don't want their 14 year old daughters seeing penises in the locker room are hateful and intolerant.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDl3MhW03Vg

    LOL at the voice and mannerisms of that documentary filmmaker, a strange fruit indeed! The father looks disgusted at having to be endlessly pawed at. I like the dumb matching hoodies with Browns stunned looking eyes as logo too.

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  111. @fish
    Marginally OT....


    An update from Americas City of the Future:

    Police: Dad shot dead because car had stick shift
     


    Wonder which culture is more prone to frustration and impatience over things like this.......wonder, wonder, wonder?


    http://www.sfgate.com/national/article/Police-Dad-shot-dead-because-car-had-stick-shift-10998135.php

    All three men were described as being in their late-teens or early 20s.

    I’ll keep an eye out…

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  112. anon says:
    @Broski
    Meh, he meant to say PCP. Why assume the weed was laced with PCP I don't know, but it's not as absurd as saying THC-laced weed.

    Perhaps he was referring to “Spice” , “K2″ ,” 24K Gold ” or “Herbal Kush ” , sold illicitly in gas stations and sometimes referred to as “Synthetic THC” . Many articles have been produced documenting this phenomena . Even the old gray lady has gotten in on the action , proving its legitimacy ………..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4039244/Drug-caused-Walking-Dead-scene-Brooklyn-33-people-zombie-like-bad-batch-synthetic-marijuana-identified.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3687547/33-people-hospitalized-New-York-K2-drug-overdose.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/nyregion/k2-synthetic-marijuana-overdose-in-brooklyn.html

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  113. Jack D says:
    @Obama's boyfriend
    The commies are trying to rewrite history again with the aim of inciting riots by the choirboys.

    Shouldn't the FCC review CNN's license for spreading crap like this?

    CNN is a cable network and doesn’t have an FCC license. We have this thing called the 1st Amendment….

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  114. Jack D says:
    @40 Acres and A Kardashian
    Right.

    That this is even a story is mind boggling.

    What the Jewish documentary maker appears to be saying is that because Brown was a drug dealer, and not a thief, it was perfectly alright for him to slug the police officer and grab his gun.

    Here he is on CNN. How insanely Talmudic do you have to be to make Chris Cuomo look sensible? (Cuomo's the one who said the other day that fathers who don't want their 14 year old daughters seeing penises in the locker room are hateful and intolerant.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDl3MhW03Vg

    LOL – Michael Brown’s image for posterity is that of him dressed as medieval scholar in academic robes and a mortarboard hat.

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    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    LOL – Michael Brown’s image for posterity is that of him dressed as medieval scholar in academic robes and a mortarboard hat.
     
    Cultural appropriation in spades, innit?
  115. @Diversity Heretic
    Michael Brown would still have been on an adrenalin high when he attacked Darren Wilson, whether the high was produced by a strong-arm robbery, or anger when he thought that a deal had been reneged upon. In any case, the "gentle giant" characterization is totally inaccurate. He was at least a small time drug dealer. I also wonder what was in his system when he was shot. Have the toxicology reports every been released? I suspect he had some marijuana, possibly THC-laced, that was affecting (fatally as it turned out) his judgment.

    THC laced? Do you mean PCP?

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  116. woodNfish says:
    @BigBlueArseOfNeptune
    The officer should have used his psychic powers to grasp that Brown punching him in the face wasn’t going to continue until death.

    BigBlue, Brown was running away from Wilson when Wilson started shooting at him. Wilson could have let him go and had him arrested later. Instead, he decided to murder Brown who was unarmed. I know Brown was a big kid. He was huge, but he was also unarmed and Wilson is a trained officer. Wilson should be spending at least 30 years in prison for murder.

    There are a lot of bad cops out there and Wilson is one of them.

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    • Replies: @Jack D

    he decided to murder Brown who was unarmed
     
    Not for lack of trying. Seconds earlier Brown had attempted to grab the officer's gun, presumably with the intention of shooting and killing Officer Wilson. At the point that he was shot the officer had probable cause to arrest him for the commission of a violent felony. He then disobeyed the officer's lawful and repeated orders to stop and the officer was within his legal rights to shoot him. If you have just stolen a car, sometimes the police will discontinue a chase because the danger to the public outweighs the need to make an immediate arrest, but if you have just tried to kill someone, they don't let you go in the hope of finding you later - in the meantime you might decide to kill someone else.


    This is what the grand jury AND the Federal Dept. of Justice concluded. Don't you think that if they thought they had even the slightest chance of conviction that the Obama Justice Dept. would not have indicted Wilson?

    This has all been plowed over endlessly and the result is always the same. The only reason this story is in the news AGAIN is because some lawyer is trying to cash in on behalf of the family and some filmmaker is also trying to cash in and/or peddle some more social justice propaganda.
    , @anon
    Brown was running away from Wilson when Wilson started shooting at him.

    Apparently you don't get blood spatter evidence, which showed that Brown was moving toward Wilson from at least the moment he was shot until the moment he went down.
    , @res

    BigBlue, Brown was running away from Wilson when Wilson started shooting at him.
     
    That's why all the shots entered from the front: http://conservativetribune.com/new-autopsy-report-brown-shooting/

    Amazing how three different autopsies (!) found no evidence of your assertions:
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/heres-dods-report-michael-browns-autopsy
    , @Broski
    You are fake news in action. This is why people don't trust the media. They intentionally put out fake stories, like "hands up don't shoot," then don't report the truth when their initial histrionics are exposed as false. People like you, the minimally informed, then go around stating the original story.
  117. bomag says:
    @theo the kraut
    OT:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4300170/Terror-fears-hundreds-ghost-ships-turning-GPS.html


    Terror fears over hundreds of 'ghost ships' turning off their tracking devices while sailing close to hotspots including Syria and Libya before entering European waters
     
    http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/education/2017/03/11/test-meant-screen-teachers-instead-weeded-out-minorities/99050796

    Test meant to screen teachers instead weeded out minorities

    NEW YORK (AP) - New York education officials are poised to scrap a test designed to measure the reading and writing skills of people trying to become teachers, in part because an outsized percentage of black and Hispanic candidates were failing it.
     
    One of the nice white ladies responsible for the above:

    http://www.pace.edu/faculty/leslie-soodak-phd

    Awarded a Verizon Thinkfinity Initiative grant to fund the technology needed to record stories and the resources to investigate the use of narrative as part of her Videostories program; and was part of a team awarded a $1.2 million grant from the U.S. Department of Education’s Office of Special Education Programs for the STARS Inclusive Adolescent Education Program
     

    A new report says criminal gangs have raked in huge sums of money amid the surge in refugees and migrants attempting to reach the continent.

    Looks like the celebrated “refugees” and “migrants” are overpaying.

    This ties into the current topic in that the Michael Browns/migrants of the world let things drift until they are making decisions out of desperation; thus, vibrancy(tm)!

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  118. bomag says:
    @Truth



    Because Brown was starving — he is a big, fat guy who was high on drugs — he was extremely impatient and cranky. That’s why he stole the cigarillos and why he attacked police officer Darren Wilson
     
    So a 300 lb. kid hadn't eaten, and the thing he steals from a convenience store is... cigars?

    I'm thinking maybe your should change your screen name to "Sherlock Holmes", Bro.

    So a 300 lb. kid hadn’t eaten, and the thing he steals from a convenience store is… cigars?

    We’ve been trained by our handlers to have such low expectations of the scrabble champions among us that we will believe anything to excuse their behavior.

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  119. @donut
    98 comments on this lame post . I know you have household chores to do but even so you could have done better than this.

    Who are you, and what have you done with poor donut?
    You didn’t insert a space before your final period .

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    • Replies: @donut
    "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

    I f**ked up , my middle name .
  120. Jack D says:
    @woodNfish
    BigBlue, Brown was running away from Wilson when Wilson started shooting at him. Wilson could have let him go and had him arrested later. Instead, he decided to murder Brown who was unarmed. I know Brown was a big kid. He was huge, but he was also unarmed and Wilson is a trained officer. Wilson should be spending at least 30 years in prison for murder.

    There are a lot of bad cops out there and Wilson is one of them.

    he decided to murder Brown who was unarmed

    Not for lack of trying. Seconds earlier Brown had attempted to grab the officer’s gun, presumably with the intention of shooting and killing Officer Wilson. At the point that he was shot the officer had probable cause to arrest him for the commission of a violent felony. He then disobeyed the officer’s lawful and repeated orders to stop and the officer was within his legal rights to shoot him. If you have just stolen a car, sometimes the police will discontinue a chase because the danger to the public outweighs the need to make an immediate arrest, but if you have just tried to kill someone, they don’t let you go in the hope of finding you later – in the meantime you might decide to kill someone else.

    This is what the grand jury AND the Federal Dept. of Justice concluded. Don’t you think that if they thought they had even the slightest chance of conviction that the Obama Justice Dept. would not have indicted Wilson?

    This has all been plowed over endlessly and the result is always the same. The only reason this story is in the news AGAIN is because some lawyer is trying to cash in on behalf of the family and some filmmaker is also trying to cash in and/or peddle some more social justice propaganda.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Ret-conning's cousin the Ret-screenplay, heavily adapted, Oscar worthy no doubt.
  121. @Jack D
    LOL - Michael Brown's image for posterity is that of him dressed as medieval scholar in academic robes and a mortarboard hat.

    LOL – Michael Brown’s image for posterity is that of him dressed as medieval scholar in academic robes and a mortarboard hat.

    Cultural appropriation in spades, innit?

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  122. anon says:
    @woodNfish
    BigBlue, Brown was running away from Wilson when Wilson started shooting at him. Wilson could have let him go and had him arrested later. Instead, he decided to murder Brown who was unarmed. I know Brown was a big kid. He was huge, but he was also unarmed and Wilson is a trained officer. Wilson should be spending at least 30 years in prison for murder.

    There are a lot of bad cops out there and Wilson is one of them.

    Brown was running away from Wilson when Wilson started shooting at him.

    Apparently you don’t get blood spatter evidence, which showed that Brown was moving toward Wilson from at least the moment he was shot until the moment he went down.

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  123. @fish
    Marginally OT....


    An update from Americas City of the Future:

    Police: Dad shot dead because car had stick shift
     


    Wonder which culture is more prone to frustration and impatience over things like this.......wonder, wonder, wonder?


    http://www.sfgate.com/national/article/Police-Dad-shot-dead-because-car-had-stick-shift-10998135.php

    fish, I bought my daughters stick shift cars to take to college, so their friends could not borrow their cars. This is insane, killing a man in front of his 10 year old daughter because you can’t drive stick.

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    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Imagine what would have transpired if the car had "three on the tree"!
  124. res says:
    @woodNfish
    BigBlue, Brown was running away from Wilson when Wilson started shooting at him. Wilson could have let him go and had him arrested later. Instead, he decided to murder Brown who was unarmed. I know Brown was a big kid. He was huge, but he was also unarmed and Wilson is a trained officer. Wilson should be spending at least 30 years in prison for murder.

    There are a lot of bad cops out there and Wilson is one of them.

    BigBlue, Brown was running away from Wilson when Wilson started shooting at him.

    That’s why all the shots entered from the front: http://conservativetribune.com/new-autopsy-report-brown-shooting/

    Amazing how three different autopsies (!) found no evidence of your assertions:

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/heres-dods-report-michael-browns-autopsy

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    • Replies: @woodNfish
    There is no proof Brown tried to take Wilson's gun. None - only Wilson's say so. There was no trial and no defense, and no cross examined evidence only a sham kangaroo court totally manipulated by the prosecutor to get the judgement he wanted.

    You can pretend everything was done right all you want. I refuse to believe any of it. Wilson murdered Brown because that is what the Ferguson cops do and they have a long history of it.

    I won't follow up on any replies because Unz has intentionally made this article difficult to find and I don't expect to change anyone's mind on this event. I've written several thousand words on Wilson's murder of Brown since it happened and I know that there are a lot of people who will defend cops no matter what they do. You may or may not be one of them. Either way we have a difference of opinion on it and its a waste of time to pursue it any further.

    Enjoy your day.
    , @woodNfish
    See my reply to Jack D.
  125. Broski says:
    @woodNfish
    BigBlue, Brown was running away from Wilson when Wilson started shooting at him. Wilson could have let him go and had him arrested later. Instead, he decided to murder Brown who was unarmed. I know Brown was a big kid. He was huge, but he was also unarmed and Wilson is a trained officer. Wilson should be spending at least 30 years in prison for murder.

    There are a lot of bad cops out there and Wilson is one of them.

    You are fake news in action. This is why people don’t trust the media. They intentionally put out fake stories, like “hands up don’t shoot,” then don’t report the truth when their initial histrionics are exposed as false. People like you, the minimally informed, then go around stating the original story.

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    • Replies: @woodNfish
    I'm not part of the media so I never produce fake news. You have no idea how informed I am, and you never will. And now I've wasted a minute of my life answering your psycho-babble.

    See my reply to Jack D.

  126. The film maker was on Fox News last night and the host’s gentle questioning triggered his amygdala so bad she had to cut his feed.

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  127. Ivy says:
    @Jack D

    he decided to murder Brown who was unarmed
     
    Not for lack of trying. Seconds earlier Brown had attempted to grab the officer's gun, presumably with the intention of shooting and killing Officer Wilson. At the point that he was shot the officer had probable cause to arrest him for the commission of a violent felony. He then disobeyed the officer's lawful and repeated orders to stop and the officer was within his legal rights to shoot him. If you have just stolen a car, sometimes the police will discontinue a chase because the danger to the public outweighs the need to make an immediate arrest, but if you have just tried to kill someone, they don't let you go in the hope of finding you later - in the meantime you might decide to kill someone else.


    This is what the grand jury AND the Federal Dept. of Justice concluded. Don't you think that if they thought they had even the slightest chance of conviction that the Obama Justice Dept. would not have indicted Wilson?

    This has all been plowed over endlessly and the result is always the same. The only reason this story is in the news AGAIN is because some lawyer is trying to cash in on behalf of the family and some filmmaker is also trying to cash in and/or peddle some more social justice propaganda.

    Ret-conning’s cousin the Ret-screenplay, heavily adapted, Oscar worthy no doubt.

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  128. @40 Acres and A Kardashian
    Pollock, you say?

    Never Mind the Pollocks!

    He’s just a Narrative Safekeeping Punk who thrives on Abstract Expressionism where the buckets of dindudrugliftingshopdealingnuffin’ paint are generously poured over a giant scale national TV canvases, while the artist of deception dances around his colorful interpretation of facts.

    This frenzied-calligraphy montage of facts has a long tradition and ancient origin:

    “For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counselors there is safety.” ( Proverbs 24:6, )

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  129. To the point of my latest comment:

    This emblematic Gross Khalid’s lawsuit is also fine attention-whoring example of Abstract Legal Expressionism; a widely cherished who-whoming tradition of the ones that like to rule by the way of deception:

    “We have events we do here for elected officials, nonprofits, foreign dignitaries, the World Bank, law firms,” Gross said. “Those folks are now being courted to come and want to go there because they see it as advantageous to them to curry favor with the president.”

    “…Cork’s co-owners do not name any specific client they have lost to Trump, although they say business around the inauguration fell well short of what they experienced in 2009.

    “We do lose bookings sometimes and nobody ever gives you a reason. They don’t say, ‘We’re going to the Trump hotel instead of coming here.’ We do know that business has been a little slower with the inauguration of this president,” Gross said.

    “…Similar to others pushing legal action against Trump or his companies, Gross and Pitts are active in liberal political causes, with Pitts running for D.C. Council in 2014 and having formerly served as national political director of the Sierra Club and as a campaign director for the Service Employees International Union.

    “…We’re not asking for any money.
    We’re simply asking the court to stop this unfair competition, as the Trump Hotel’s own lease requires. We leave it to the court and the defendants to decide the best means of leveling the playing field, whether that be selling or closing the hotel until the end of Donald Trump’s presidency.

    If they do, all of Washington will benefit — not just the current occupant of the White House.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/digger/wp/2017/03/09/wine-bar-owners-sue-president-trump-saying-d-c-hotel-unfairly-takes-away-business/?utm_term=.b519427335ed

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/323603-why-we-are-suing-president-trump

    I’m afraid that in Deep DC Washington there are not too many judges to tell Gross Pitts:
    “Just cork it!”

    Zer Expert talmudizes :

    Paul F. Rothstein, a professor at Georgetown University Law School, said that when the Supreme Court allowed a sexual harassment suit to proceed against President Clinton in 1997 it opened the door to other litigation against sitting presidents.

    “The Supreme Court has made clear numerous times that president is subject to the laws of the country just like any other person,” Rothstein said.

    “His businesses are so widespread that the court might find on the facts that there would be a little more interference in the president’s job,” he said.

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  130. Most people thought it was ridiculous when a one-syllable word, black, was replaced with the seven-syllable African-American.

    Replacing Jew with Narrative Safekeeping Punk who thrives on Abstract Expressionism is even more idiotic. Not only is it far longer and a lot more unwieldy, it’s also completely meaningless.

    Why are people so terrified of saying Jew?

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  131. woodNfish says:
    @res

    BigBlue, Brown was running away from Wilson when Wilson started shooting at him.
     
    That's why all the shots entered from the front: http://conservativetribune.com/new-autopsy-report-brown-shooting/

    Amazing how three different autopsies (!) found no evidence of your assertions:
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/heres-dods-report-michael-browns-autopsy

    There is no proof Brown tried to take Wilson’s gun. None – only Wilson’s say so. There was no trial and no defense, and no cross examined evidence only a sham kangaroo court totally manipulated by the prosecutor to get the judgement he wanted.

    You can pretend everything was done right all you want. I refuse to believe any of it. Wilson murdered Brown because that is what the Ferguson cops do and they have a long history of it.

    I won’t follow up on any replies because Unz has intentionally made this article difficult to find and I don’t expect to change anyone’s mind on this event. I’ve written several thousand words on Wilson’s murder of Brown since it happened and I know that there are a lot of people who will defend cops no matter what they do. You may or may not be one of them. Either way we have a difference of opinion on it and its a waste of time to pursue it any further.

    Enjoy your day.

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  132. woodNfish says:
    @res

    BigBlue, Brown was running away from Wilson when Wilson started shooting at him.
     
    That's why all the shots entered from the front: http://conservativetribune.com/new-autopsy-report-brown-shooting/

    Amazing how three different autopsies (!) found no evidence of your assertions:
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/heres-dods-report-michael-browns-autopsy

    See my reply to Jack D.

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  133. woodNfish says:
    @Broski
    You are fake news in action. This is why people don't trust the media. They intentionally put out fake stories, like "hands up don't shoot," then don't report the truth when their initial histrionics are exposed as false. People like you, the minimally informed, then go around stating the original story.

    I’m not part of the media so I never produce fake news. You have no idea how informed I am, and you never will. And now I’ve wasted a minute of my life answering your psycho-babble.

    See my reply to Jack D.

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  134. Brutusale says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    fish, I bought my daughters stick shift cars to take to college, so their friends could not borrow their cars. This is insane, killing a man in front of his 10 year old daughter because you can't drive stick.

    Imagine what would have transpired if the car had “three on the tree”!

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Brutus, That's funny and for those who don't know, "three on the tree' was a shift lever mounted on the steering column, just behind the steering wheel. Three forward speeds and reverse.
  135. @Brutusale
    Imagine what would have transpired if the car had "three on the tree"!

    Brutus, That’s funny and for those who don’t know, “three on the tree’ was a shift lever mounted on the steering column, just behind the steering wheel. Three forward speeds and reverse.

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  136. Me me says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Michael Brown would still have been on an adrenalin high when he attacked Darren Wilson, whether the high was produced by a strong-arm robbery, or anger when he thought that a deal had been reneged upon. In any case, the "gentle giant" characterization is totally inaccurate. He was at least a small time drug dealer. I also wonder what was in his system when he was shot. Have the toxicology reports every been released? I suspect he had some marijuana, possibly THC-laced, that was affecting (fatally as it turned out) his judgment.

    I think you mean PCP laced joint.

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  137. donut says:
    @Expletive Deleted
    Who are you, and what have you done with poor donut?
    You didn't insert a space before your final period .

    “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

    I f**ked up , my middle name .

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