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From the New York Times:

There’s Never Been a Native American Congresswoman. That Could Change in 2018.

By JULIE TURKEWITZ MARCH 19, 2018

Or maybe Senator Warren isn’t a member of Congress? Or she’s not really a woman?

… Today there are two native men in the United States House of Representatives, both Republicans from Oklahoma. (Elizabeth Warren, the senator from Massachusetts, has discussed having native heritage but is not enrolled in a tribe.)

This is actually a pretty sensible way to think about it.

All sorts of white people have family stories about being descended from an Indian princess, and some white people have some Indian ancestry, and some of those people even overlap.

But American Indian tribes have the legal right to police their membership rolls as they see fit, and Senator Warren has never qualified as a member of any tribe. That may sound legalistic and technical, but, then again Senator Warren is a law professor and Harvard Law School advertised her as being Diverse. And if anybody is supposed to understand legal mumbo-jumbo, it’s the good folks at Harvard Law School, such as Professor Warren and her deans.

 
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  1. Her Native cognomen is “Fake-
    Squaw-Who’s-Heap-Big-on-the-Make-
    Wannabe-Pocahontas.”
    But just “Fauxcahontas”
    To the DNA test she won’t take.

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    • Replies: @Seneca44
    I'll bet the reason she won't take the DNA test is that she already has and knows the result.
    , @anonymous
    Pow-wow Warren, a/k/a "Hoaxahontas"
    , @Olorin
    The dream-catcher pale gals agree:
    DNA isn't real, j'you notsee?
    If it were it could show
    Their N-Am-fraction's low...
    But their high Euro- won't draw money.
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  2. Look at the bright side. The better Warren does the more damage Affirmative Action receives. If she does become President watch for more Dolezals-and maybe a court case?

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  3. Look at the bright side. The better Warren does the more damage Affirmative Action receives. Should she become President watch for more Dolezals-and maybe a court case?

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  4. One of the differences between Americans and Canadians is that no non-Indian Canadian would falsely claim to be part Indian, due to the low status of Indians in Canada. Would be akin to a white Australian claiming a distant relative was Aborigine – just doesn’t happen. It would be a source of shame and not something to be proud of.

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    • Replies: @utu
    You are not from Canada, are you? Or you are some Canadian redneck form Alberta?

    Author Joseph Boyden defends Indigenous heritage after investigation
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/author-joseph-boyden-defends-heritage-1.3914367

    Fake Natives: A very real burden
    https://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/7201495-fake-natives-a-very-real-burden/
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  5. The tribe luvs them some tribes.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/889831867427454977
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  6. Warren is a dishonest, vile, and self-serving climber. I don’t understand why the indigenous don’t condemn her. (Or maybe they do, but the media doesn’t cover it.)

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    • Replies: @songbird
    The biggest local talkradio host in Boston, Howie Carr, had on a few tribeswomen who had a negative reaction to her, when she was running. I forget whether Carr broke the story or not, but he was certainly one of the earlier movers on it in his capacity as a writer for the Boston Herald, and as a radio host.
    , @Twodees Partain
    They have:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm3MYBDyNyQ
    , @Travis
    because the typical Cherokee tribal member is genetically 95% white today.

    http://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20161004_-2016-17-Tribal-Youth-Council-sworn-into-office

    if they look in the mirror they see white faces each day. Thus they fail to be critical of Warren, as they do not want genetics to determine tribal membership. Genetic testing has yet to find a cherokee indian who is not 75% white. Typically they are just 3% native American. The leaders of most of the tribes have been mostly white for the last 200 years. They are in no position to attack Warren for using affirmative action to advance her career.
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  7. Hasn’t anyone done a proper geneology of her yet? Where are the Mormons when you need them?

    The family stories about Injun ancestors are more common in black families than in white, to explain the source of light skin. Better native than a cracker or slave master.

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  8. How many full blood Native Americans (indigenous to the continental US, not Mexico) still exist? Zero? Do they all have at least a little European in them?

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    • Replies: @Foreign Expert
    Even two hundred years ago there were large numbers of mixed race indians due to the french traders not bringing their own women.
    , @BB753
    Even supposedly "pure" Mayans, who keep their language and customs, have a little bit of West-Eurasian DNA. It could be adaptive genes that allowed them to survive Old World diseases.
    , @TWS
    Probably a few thousand. Especially in out of the way places with older folks. Navajo has the n best chance of full blood or close to it as they have a lot of native speakers compared to other tribes.
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  9. That writing system for Tocharian resembles Devanagari without the horizontal line. When you go down the extant word list (at something not very credible, and, absurdly, called “Vore”) they point out philological similarities to European languages.
    If I identified as Tocharian, not in a creepy spirals sort of way but to shut down ancestry inquiries, who would stop me? If I worked at a reality tv show and did a bit on it I would bet you’d get a montage of people nodding politely and seguing to something they knew about.
    But then again, there’s no free college or exotic cache for Tocharians, just driving the herds to new lands.

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  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This is much ado.

    She’s an old Sally who never had a chance to be POTUS. At any time or in any era.

    America has always had a list of perpetual presidential contenders who get hyped by the media. It’s about the $$$.

    The idiocracy is here so look for The Rock, Tom Hanks, Zuckerbomb, Clooney, Mark Cuban, Bloomberg to all jockey for position in the media narrative.

    But it’s going to be Joe vs Michelle when all is said and done. That’s the most hardboiled cynical path for Soros, Steyer, Wall St, SV, Hollywood. They will give Michelle the nod if she passes the audition in the early going. It’s the perfect revenge against Trump.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Michelle will just be an empty suit like her husband, but one with broader shoulders.
    , @Stephen Paul Foster
    As low as the standards of IQ, experience, character and work ethic are for the Democrats, I just cannot believe that Michelle could make the jump. She cannot even fake-smart, like Barry, appears to be monumentally lazy and even duller than Hillary. I'm not sure BHO would go for it either. His ego is too big and to have to play 2nd banana to a nasty women who sole predilection seems to be extravagant vacations on some one elses dime would detract from his lifelong pursuit of his own deification.
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  11. @newrouter
    The tribe luvs them some tribes.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I am strongly tempted to expect that this is a troll account. His last name is "Tribe" (!) and among his previous gaffes are calling the Parkland Players Campaign To Erase The Constitution a "Children's Crusade," which he clearly meant in a historically-illiterate, positive way. He did a few others things that were too dumb to be real but I can't remember specifics.
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  12. How do they know that white man…how?

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  13. 1. When EW first started, the MAGOP – to their great credit – opposed her over her policies like amnesty. As soon as the national GOP stepped in, things took an idiocratic turn and it became All Pocahontas, All The Time. @LegInsurrection even has a whole site just about her personal issues.

    2. If you oppose EW over her policies, then do that openly. Don’t hide your opposition to her policies behind kid’s stuff.

    3. When has Trump or any of his proxies/top supporters ever made a smart argument against AffAction that’d resonate with EW’s base? There are such arguments, when have any of them made such arguments?

    4. It’s beyond tasteless for Trump to bring up “Pocahontas” at a Code Talkers’ event, showing yet again that he’s a nekulturniy, no-class POS.

    4. LUN has 5 smart ways Trump could undercut EW, none of which are about calling her names. When has Trump done any of those? It’d be incredibly easy for Trump to undercut EW to part of her base over amnesty. Has he done that or just called her childish names?

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    LUN has 5 smart ways Trump could undercut EW
     
    Lun?
    http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/34000000/Lum-chan-urusei-yatsura-34066560-1293-937.jpg
    , @Harry Baldwin
    As the left has taught us, name calling works and reasoned debate doesn't. Trump's mockery has done Warren more damage than anything you might suggest.
    , @Mr. Anon

    When EW first started, the MAGOP – to their great credit – opposed her over her policies like amnesty.
     
    MAGOP? GOP of the land of MAGOP!

    4. LUN has 5 smart ways Trump could undercut EW, none of which are about calling her names.
     
    MAGOP?! LUN?!

    Ok, I deduce that MAGOP stands for Massachusetts GOP, but still.......

    Speak English, Man, if you want to be understood.
    , @Daniel Williams

    blah blah blah Trump could undercut EW, none of which are about calling her names.
     
    Yeah, Trump's name-calling has had such disastrous effects on his political aspirations...
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  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I know I was told I was part Indian.

    My mother is from Georgia, and she was certain–even pointed out her sister looked Indian.

    23andme came back and she’s 100% white despite all of her lines being centuries old in this country. Btw, why do people mock those respondents who say their ethnicity/ancestry is “American”–why would someone think of themselves as “14% Welsh” and “23% Scottish” when they have nothing to do with either place? My mother can say, however, she has a lot in common with millions of southerners including DNA. Americans being unpeopled is absurd. I don’t sit around telling Chinese people that “technically” they’re African because of science and “China is a made up social construct” because that’s not how anybody talks about people or nations.

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    I know I was told I was part Indian.
     
    Many of the white people I know claim part amerind ancestry. It's a sort of inoculation, they believe, against the fire next time. It's not going to work.

    For those who grew up between the Appalachians and the Rockies, this proportion approaches 90% IME, with obvious exceptions for obvious exceptions (Minnesota Nordics, but who knows nowadays).

    It's the equivalent of billionaires getting multiple passports for their families. Never know when they might come in handy, or save your life.
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  15. @jcd1974
    One of the differences between Americans and Canadians is that no non-Indian Canadian would falsely claim to be part Indian, due to the low status of Indians in Canada. Would be akin to a white Australian claiming a distant relative was Aborigine - just doesn't happen. It would be a source of shame and not something to be proud of.

    You are not from Canada, are you? Or you are some Canadian redneck form Alberta?

    Author Joseph Boyden defends Indigenous heritage after investigation

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/author-joseph-boyden-defends-heritage-1.3914367

    Fake Natives: A very real burden

    https://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/7201495-fake-natives-a-very-real-burden/

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  16. @24AheadDotCom
    1. When EW first started, the MAGOP - to their great credit - opposed her over her policies like amnesty. As soon as the national GOP stepped in, things took an idiocratic turn and it became All Pocahontas, All The Time. @LegInsurrection even has a whole site just about her personal issues.

    2. If you oppose EW over her policies, then do that openly. Don't hide your opposition to her policies behind kid's stuff.

    3. When has Trump or any of his proxies/top supporters ever made a smart argument against AffAction that'd resonate with EW's base? There are such arguments, when have any of them made such arguments?

    4. It's beyond tasteless for Trump to bring up "Pocahontas" at a Code Talkers' event, showing yet again that he's a nekulturniy, no-class POS.

    4. LUN has 5 smart ways Trump could undercut EW, none of which are about calling her names. When has Trump done any of those? It'd be incredibly easy for Trump to undercut EW to part of her base over amnesty. Has he done that or just called her childish names?

    LUN has 5 smart ways Trump could undercut EW

    Lun?

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  17. @Anonymous
    This is much ado.

    She's an old Sally who never had a chance to be POTUS. At any time or in any era.

    America has always had a list of perpetual presidential contenders who get hyped by the media. It's about the $$$.

    The idiocracy is here so look for The Rock, Tom Hanks, Zuckerbomb, Clooney, Mark Cuban, Bloomberg to all jockey for position in the media narrative.

    But it's going to be Joe vs Michelle when all is said and done. That's the most hardboiled cynical path for Soros, Steyer, Wall St, SV, Hollywood. They will give Michelle the nod if she passes the audition in the early going. It's the perfect revenge against Trump.

    Michelle will just be an empty suit like her husband, but one with broader shoulders.

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  18. @24AheadDotCom
    1. When EW first started, the MAGOP - to their great credit - opposed her over her policies like amnesty. As soon as the national GOP stepped in, things took an idiocratic turn and it became All Pocahontas, All The Time. @LegInsurrection even has a whole site just about her personal issues.

    2. If you oppose EW over her policies, then do that openly. Don't hide your opposition to her policies behind kid's stuff.

    3. When has Trump or any of his proxies/top supporters ever made a smart argument against AffAction that'd resonate with EW's base? There are such arguments, when have any of them made such arguments?

    4. It's beyond tasteless for Trump to bring up "Pocahontas" at a Code Talkers' event, showing yet again that he's a nekulturniy, no-class POS.

    4. LUN has 5 smart ways Trump could undercut EW, none of which are about calling her names. When has Trump done any of those? It'd be incredibly easy for Trump to undercut EW to part of her base over amnesty. Has he done that or just called her childish names?

    As the left has taught us, name calling works and reasoned debate doesn’t. Trump’s mockery has done Warren more damage than anything you might suggest.

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    • Replies: @Anon7
    I agree. Trump’s mockery of EWWW is what forced the debate about her claims, and has mobilized Native Americans and other Lefties against her.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "As the left has taught us, name calling works and reasoned debate doesn’t. "

    Alinsky Rules For Radicals #13 - “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

    , @24AheadDotCom
    @Harry Baldwin says "As the left has taught us, name calling works and reasoned debate doesn’t. Trump’s mockery has done Warren more damage than anything you might suggest" and @AndrewR, @Johnny Smoggins, @Anon7, and @YetAnotherAnon agree. @Daniel Williams chimes in "Yeah, Trump’s name-calling has had such disastrous effects on his political aspirations..."

    @J.Ross & @Mr. Anon aren't capable of doing a simple search to find out what "LUN" means.

    This would be a good opportunity for those like Sailer to oppose idiocracy, acting like the far-left, and so on. Surely he has to realize there are smarter ways to do things than acting like, say, ThinkProgress. Surely he has to realize that it's a false choice to say we must choose between acting like campus far-lefties and what those like "Harry Baldwin" call "reasoned debate". It's time for grown-ups who command flocks to act like leaders, rather than just enabling yahooism.

    P.S. LUN has 5 ways Trump could undercut EW. Those three letters "LUN" are baffling to some at this site, but I'm sure not to you the current reader.
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  19. But American Indian tribes have the legal right to police their membership rolls as they see fit.

    Sounds like a swell idea. Maybe we should expand that idea to the nation as a whole.

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  20. Elizabeth Warren, the senator from Massachusetts, has discussed having native heritage but is not enrolled in a tribe.

    I myself have discussed assuming the post of High Commissioner of the planet Aldeberan 5. But I have not as yet been formally offered the job.

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  21. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Supposedly Zuckerberg has sold more stock in the last 3 months than any insider at any company anywhere. This looks like he’s building up a war chest for a presidential run. I also bet he was planning to donate generously to Democratic candidates in 2018 with the idea of compiling a fat list of people who owed him a favor, and racking up super-delegates in his corner for the presidential primaries.

    I bet he studied Hillary’s financial takeover of the DNC very closely. The DNC is currently broke and they could badly use his cash, and they’d try to rig everything in his favor if he financed them along with donating to the entire field of Democratic candidates. They’d have a very hard time resisting that. Can’t say the SJW crowd particularly likes him, though. He’s male and pasty white and rich.

    However, Zuckerspy isn’t doing his reputation any favors recently, and he may not get the nomination if his company is too tainted.

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    • Replies: @CJ
    All quite plausible, but let me suggest another possible, or maybe I should say concurrent reason — he knows that Facebook stock is way way overvalued.
    , @AndrewR
    He may be "pasty" but he's Hebrew.

    And frankly I think he would be silly to not wait at least until 2024 to run. 2028 would be better. Zuck was born in 1984. Only one president - who was also considerably better-looking and more charismatic than Zucc - has been elected before age 44, and that was in 1960 when the median age of the US was significantly younger that it is today. A number of countries are content with young leaders, but the US really doesn't seem to be one of them.

    , @bomag
    Trump held no prior political office, and it gave the Establishment fits.

    I don't think the Dems would go with an analogous Zuck. They like their politicians well seasoned in the art of going along with the narrative.
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  22. @24AheadDotCom
    1. When EW first started, the MAGOP - to their great credit - opposed her over her policies like amnesty. As soon as the national GOP stepped in, things took an idiocratic turn and it became All Pocahontas, All The Time. @LegInsurrection even has a whole site just about her personal issues.

    2. If you oppose EW over her policies, then do that openly. Don't hide your opposition to her policies behind kid's stuff.

    3. When has Trump or any of his proxies/top supporters ever made a smart argument against AffAction that'd resonate with EW's base? There are such arguments, when have any of them made such arguments?

    4. It's beyond tasteless for Trump to bring up "Pocahontas" at a Code Talkers' event, showing yet again that he's a nekulturniy, no-class POS.

    4. LUN has 5 smart ways Trump could undercut EW, none of which are about calling her names. When has Trump done any of those? It'd be incredibly easy for Trump to undercut EW to part of her base over amnesty. Has he done that or just called her childish names?

    When EW first started, the MAGOP – to their great credit – opposed her over her policies like amnesty.

    MAGOP? GOP of the land of MAGOP!

    4. LUN has 5 smart ways Trump could undercut EW, none of which are about calling her names.

    MAGOP?! LUN?!

    Ok, I deduce that MAGOP stands for Massachusetts GOP, but still…….

    Speak English, Man, if you want to be understood.

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  23. It’s okay. Americans have a fine tradition of pretending to be Indians.

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  24. Only iSteve readers know that two Dem leaders in the Senate cheated their way into Harvard: Warren and Schumer.

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  25. I was wondering if Elizabeth Warren’s dream of being our first Native American president could ever be realized. It turns out that we’ve already had a Native American vice-President, Charles Curtis (1929-1933). His mother was of Kaw, Osage and French ancestry, and his father was ethnic British American.

    All Americans can be Dreamers, Fauxcahontas!

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    Charles Curtis, VP under Hoover.

    1/8 Kaw Indian and 100% Republican.

    I had never heard of the Kaw tribe. Apparently they were not friends with the Cheyenne.
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  26. @Harry Baldwin
    As the left has taught us, name calling works and reasoned debate doesn't. Trump's mockery has done Warren more damage than anything you might suggest.

    I agree. Trump’s mockery of EWWW is what forced the debate about her claims, and has mobilized Native Americans and other Lefties against her.

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  27. Steve,

    Warren never claimed to be a “member” of the official federal Cherokee tribe so I don’t get what your beef is here.

    Also, “congressperson” typically refers to members of the House, but not members of the Senate.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    No but she utilized a baseless claim (that, given her phenotype, would be completely unimportant even if true) for professional gain. It shows she's careless with facts if not outright dishonest.
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  28. NYT: Elizabeth Warren Isn’t Native American

    She was born in Oklahoma after 1907, so she’s a native American.

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  29. All sorts of white people have family stories about being descended from an Indian princess…

    Two First Ladies, Edith Wilson and Nancy Reagan, were known descendants of Pocahontas.

    Pokey’s dad had anywhere from 11 to 149 wives. In that environment, it would be almost impossible not to be descended from a princess. Or two. Or three…

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  30. Why doesn’t someone just take a can of soda she drank from and test the DNA from that a la Law and Order?

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    Why doesn’t someone just take a can of soda she drank from and test the DNA from that a la Law and Order?
     
    You'd probably be thrown in jail for that, like Shkreli. I believe that even before that regrettable incident of judicial malfeasance I read some aside about the post-meal debris of the Clintons being strictly policed. Maybe it's a thing among the good and great nowadays.
    , @Brutusale
    https://howiecarrshow.com/2018/03/16/its-been-4-years-liz-warren-take-a-dna-test/
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  31. Does anybody remember Charles Curtis? The U.S. had a non-white guy as Vice President way back in the day (1929-1933).

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  32. @Anonymous
    I know I was told I was part Indian.

    My mother is from Georgia, and she was certain--even pointed out her sister looked Indian.

    23andme came back and she's 100% white despite all of her lines being centuries old in this country. Btw, why do people mock those respondents who say their ethnicity/ancestry is "American"--why would someone think of themselves as "14% Welsh" and "23% Scottish" when they have nothing to do with either place? My mother can say, however, she has a lot in common with millions of southerners including DNA. Americans being unpeopled is absurd. I don't sit around telling Chinese people that "technically" they're African because of science and "China is a made up social construct" because that's not how anybody talks about people or nations.

    I know I was told I was part Indian.

    Many of the white people I know claim part amerind ancestry. It’s a sort of inoculation, they believe, against the fire next time. It’s not going to work.

    For those who grew up between the Appalachians and the Rockies, this proportion approaches 90% IME, with obvious exceptions for obvious exceptions (Minnesota Nordics, but who knows nowadays).

    It’s the equivalent of billionaires getting multiple passports for their families. Never know when they might come in handy, or save your life.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Dali claimed to have Arab blood, and a very young Joseph Campbell asserted that he had Indian blood (his brother would add to this "and I have dog blood"); this used to be a trite fashion but we now have the science to put it to rest.
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  33. @24AheadDotCom
    1. When EW first started, the MAGOP - to their great credit - opposed her over her policies like amnesty. As soon as the national GOP stepped in, things took an idiocratic turn and it became All Pocahontas, All The Time. @LegInsurrection even has a whole site just about her personal issues.

    2. If you oppose EW over her policies, then do that openly. Don't hide your opposition to her policies behind kid's stuff.

    3. When has Trump or any of his proxies/top supporters ever made a smart argument against AffAction that'd resonate with EW's base? There are such arguments, when have any of them made such arguments?

    4. It's beyond tasteless for Trump to bring up "Pocahontas" at a Code Talkers' event, showing yet again that he's a nekulturniy, no-class POS.

    4. LUN has 5 smart ways Trump could undercut EW, none of which are about calling her names. When has Trump done any of those? It'd be incredibly easy for Trump to undercut EW to part of her base over amnesty. Has he done that or just called her childish names?

    blah blah blah Trump could undercut EW, none of which are about calling her names.

    Yeah, Trump’s name-calling has had such disastrous effects on his political aspirations…

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  34. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/889831867427454977

    I am strongly tempted to expect that this is a troll account. His last name is “Tribe” (!) and among his previous gaffes are calling the Parkland Players Campaign To Erase The Constitution a “Children’s Crusade,” which he clearly meant in a historically-illiterate, positive way. He did a few others things that were too dumb to be real but I can’t remember specifics.

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    Sadly, Laurence Tribe is a real professor of law at Harvard University; that's his real name, and he's really that stupid and arrogant.
    , @J. Dart

    I am strongly tempted to expect that this is a troll account. His last name is “Tribe”
     
    Reality is weirder than fiction. He's a Harvard law prof. His brother was a Zen Buddhist teacher in the Bay Area.

    Even better: his dad's name is George Israel Tribe.
    , @Twinkie

    His last name is “Tribe” (!)
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Tribe

    “Children’s Crusade,” which he clearly meant in a historically-illiterate, positive way.
     
    That's wonderful!

    https://cchooseblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/childrens-crusade.jpg

    I couldn't find a painting/drawing of them being sold to slavery.
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  35. @anonymous
    How many full blood Native Americans (indigenous to the continental US, not Mexico) still exist? Zero? Do they all have at least a little European in them?

    Even two hundred years ago there were large numbers of mixed race indians due to the french traders not bringing their own women.

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  36. @Anon
    OT: Supposedly Zuckerberg has sold more stock in the last 3 months than any insider at any company anywhere. This looks like he's building up a war chest for a presidential run. I also bet he was planning to donate generously to Democratic candidates in 2018 with the idea of compiling a fat list of people who owed him a favor, and racking up super-delegates in his corner for the presidential primaries.

    I bet he studied Hillary's financial takeover of the DNC very closely. The DNC is currently broke and they could badly use his cash, and they'd try to rig everything in his favor if he financed them along with donating to the entire field of Democratic candidates. They'd have a very hard time resisting that. Can't say the SJW crowd particularly likes him, though. He's male and pasty white and rich.

    However, Zuckerspy isn't doing his reputation any favors recently, and he may not get the nomination if his company is too tainted.

    All quite plausible, but let me suggest another possible, or maybe I should say concurrent reason — he knows that Facebook stock is way way overvalued.

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  37. @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Warren is a dishonest, vile, and self-serving climber. I don't understand why the indigenous don't condemn her. (Or maybe they do, but the media doesn't cover it.)

    The biggest local talkradio host in Boston, Howie Carr, had on a few tribeswomen who had a negative reaction to her, when she was running. I forget whether Carr broke the story or not, but he was certainly one of the earlier movers on it in his capacity as a writer for the Boston Herald, and as a radio host.

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  38. @Mishra

    I know I was told I was part Indian.
     
    Many of the white people I know claim part amerind ancestry. It's a sort of inoculation, they believe, against the fire next time. It's not going to work.

    For those who grew up between the Appalachians and the Rockies, this proportion approaches 90% IME, with obvious exceptions for obvious exceptions (Minnesota Nordics, but who knows nowadays).

    It's the equivalent of billionaires getting multiple passports for their families. Never know when they might come in handy, or save your life.

    Dali claimed to have Arab blood, and a very young Joseph Campbell asserted that he had Indian blood (his brother would add to this “and I have dog blood”); this used to be a trite fashion but we now have the science to put it to rest.

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  39. @J.Ross
    I am strongly tempted to expect that this is a troll account. His last name is "Tribe" (!) and among his previous gaffes are calling the Parkland Players Campaign To Erase The Constitution a "Children's Crusade," which he clearly meant in a historically-illiterate, positive way. He did a few others things that were too dumb to be real but I can't remember specifics.

    Sadly, Laurence Tribe is a real professor of law at Harvard University; that’s his real name, and he’s really that stupid and arrogant.

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  40. @J.Ross
    I am strongly tempted to expect that this is a troll account. His last name is "Tribe" (!) and among his previous gaffes are calling the Parkland Players Campaign To Erase The Constitution a "Children's Crusade," which he clearly meant in a historically-illiterate, positive way. He did a few others things that were too dumb to be real but I can't remember specifics.

    I am strongly tempted to expect that this is a troll account. His last name is “Tribe”

    Reality is weirder than fiction. He’s a Harvard law prof. His brother was a Zen Buddhist teacher in the Bay Area.

    Even better: his dad’s name is George Israel Tribe.

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  41. @J.Ross
    I am strongly tempted to expect that this is a troll account. His last name is "Tribe" (!) and among his previous gaffes are calling the Parkland Players Campaign To Erase The Constitution a "Children's Crusade," which he clearly meant in a historically-illiterate, positive way. He did a few others things that were too dumb to be real but I can't remember specifics.

    His last name is “Tribe” (!)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Tribe

    “Children’s Crusade,” which he clearly meant in a historically-illiterate, positive way.

    That’s wonderful!

    I couldn’t find a painting/drawing of them being sold to slavery.

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  42. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Warren’s Indian claim comes from an ancestral white husband and wife team, of which the male was a US soldier who helped escort Indians (by force) to Indian Territory (Oklahoma). The government was distributing land to those of Indian blood, and the wife claimed to be an Indian so she could make a land grab. It was a very cynical thing to do, and I doubt the couple ever admitted the fraud to their descendants, and just made up some fake story of Indian blood somewhere so they wouldn’t look like crooks in the eyes of their children.

    But there’s a good reason why Warren refuses to admit she doesn’t have Indian ancestry. By now, she surely knows the old family story is a fake. She may have originally believed it. But being the descendant of one of the soldiers who forced Indians off their land, and of his wife who illegally defrauded the government of Indian land, is really, really bad-looking in SJW eyes. Since Warren also used the story to get a nice job as a minority hire (taking the job away from some real minority), she can’t afford to admit the fraud without creating a mess.

    She’s a real chip off the old block.

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  43. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Part of the problem with genetic testing is that your mother may very well have had Indian ancestry. It is entirely possible that if you had one Indian ancestor around 1650, all the genes of that individual have been bred out of your bloodline by now, but the ancestry is real. Most of your ancestors, in the long term, don’t leave traces of their genes in you because only so many genes can win out, but they are legitimately your ancestors.

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    Part of the problem with genetic testing is that your mother may very well have had Indian ancestry.

     

    Even worse if it turns out the ancestry was Italian.
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  44. Warren scammed a Harvard slot meant for a real Native American. She ripped the Indians off. One of their own could have made good but she took it for herself. Yet there’s no apology, no contriteness, just a doubling down on her con game. #Shameless.

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    Was Warren better qualified than the nearest (other) Amerindian candidate?
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  45. @anonymous
    Warren scammed a Harvard slot meant for a real Native American. She ripped the Indians off. One of their own could have made good but she took it for herself. Yet there's no apology, no contriteness, just a doubling down on her con game. #Shameless.

    Was Warren better qualified than the nearest (other) Amerindian candidate?

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  46. @Anon
    OT: Supposedly Zuckerberg has sold more stock in the last 3 months than any insider at any company anywhere. This looks like he's building up a war chest for a presidential run. I also bet he was planning to donate generously to Democratic candidates in 2018 with the idea of compiling a fat list of people who owed him a favor, and racking up super-delegates in his corner for the presidential primaries.

    I bet he studied Hillary's financial takeover of the DNC very closely. The DNC is currently broke and they could badly use his cash, and they'd try to rig everything in his favor if he financed them along with donating to the entire field of Democratic candidates. They'd have a very hard time resisting that. Can't say the SJW crowd particularly likes him, though. He's male and pasty white and rich.

    However, Zuckerspy isn't doing his reputation any favors recently, and he may not get the nomination if his company is too tainted.

    He may be “pasty” but he’s Hebrew.

    And frankly I think he would be silly to not wait at least until 2024 to run. 2028 would be better. Zuck was born in 1984. Only one president – who was also considerably better-looking and more charismatic than Zucc – has been elected before age 44, and that was in 1960 when the median age of the US was significantly younger that it is today. A number of countries are content with young leaders, but the US really doesn’t seem to be one of them.

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  47. To Autocthon, Twinkie, and J. Dart, first of all Crane Brinton located revolution as beginning not with the devil’s work and the folly of a boy’s empty mind, desperation (which is unfortunately ordinary), but in the widespread feeling that your elites are unqualified, that you could do a better job, pretty much starting now. And secondly, wow, just wow, literally shaking. I was expecting some sort of brainless check-collecting airhead journalist like David Brooks. A professor at Harvard Law? We deserve the fire.

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  48. Actually, Elizabeth Warren really IS a native American. That is because she is native to America. Trump is a native American. I am a native American. Steve Sailer is a native American as is Bill Cosby, Oprah, Cher, etc. etc.

    Reminder: American indian tribes are not forms of indigenous flora.

    Thank you.

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    No, thank you. I wish I'd written that earlier or someone should have. If they've got that

    [] Native American

    box on a government form, you have every right to check it or click it.
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  49. @ScarletNumber
    Why doesn't someone just take a can of soda she drank from and test the DNA from that a la Law and Order?

    Why doesn’t someone just take a can of soda she drank from and test the DNA from that a la Law and Order?

    You’d probably be thrown in jail for that, like Shkreli. I believe that even before that regrettable incident of judicial malfeasance I read some aside about the post-meal debris of the Clintons being strictly policed. Maybe it’s a thing among the good and great nowadays.

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    I read some aside about the post-meal debris of the Clintons being strictly policed. Maybe it’s a thing among the good and great nowadays.
     
    They don't want DNA of their own being compared to the DNA of Chelsea Hubbell.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    ... about the post-meal debris ...
     
    How're they gonna police the sewer line? Sounds gross, I know, but it's Soviet Cold-War era stuff. There's probably an app for that now. I say" tap in, turn on, drop trou" ... Next thing you know, Chelsea's officially got a new dad ... probably a big relief too... for everyone.
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  50. @Anon
    Part of the problem with genetic testing is that your mother may very well have had Indian ancestry. It is entirely possible that if you had one Indian ancestor around 1650, all the genes of that individual have been bred out of your bloodline by now, but the ancestry is real. Most of your ancestors, in the long term, don't leave traces of their genes in you because only so many genes can win out, but they are legitimately your ancestors.

    Part of the problem with genetic testing is that your mother may very well have had Indian ancestry.

    Even worse if it turns out the ancestry was Italian.

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  51. @Harry Baldwin
    As the left has taught us, name calling works and reasoned debate doesn't. Trump's mockery has done Warren more damage than anything you might suggest.

    “As the left has taught us, name calling works and reasoned debate doesn’t. “

    Alinsky Rules For Radicals #13 - “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

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  52. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the meeting when Warren’s people tried to convince the Cherokee Nation people to let her enroll in the tribe in exchange for a promise to return Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas to them after she becomes president.

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  53. It is hilarious to see NYT commenters get kind of, sort of, amped up about American Indian candidates. It’s like their residual memories of the 60s and 70s compel them to care about such things, but the fact that they are not as universally Democratic as blacks are takes the fun out of it. You can tell liberals would rather have a bunch of Somalians or Nicaraguans take the places of the American Indians.

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  54. @Anonymous
    This is much ado.

    She's an old Sally who never had a chance to be POTUS. At any time or in any era.

    America has always had a list of perpetual presidential contenders who get hyped by the media. It's about the $$$.

    The idiocracy is here so look for The Rock, Tom Hanks, Zuckerbomb, Clooney, Mark Cuban, Bloomberg to all jockey for position in the media narrative.

    But it's going to be Joe vs Michelle when all is said and done. That's the most hardboiled cynical path for Soros, Steyer, Wall St, SV, Hollywood. They will give Michelle the nod if she passes the audition in the early going. It's the perfect revenge against Trump.

    As low as the standards of IQ, experience, character and work ethic are for the Democrats, I just cannot believe that Michelle could make the jump. She cannot even fake-smart, like Barry, appears to be monumentally lazy and even duller than Hillary. I’m not sure BHO would go for it either. His ego is too big and to have to play 2nd banana to a nasty women who sole predilection seems to be extravagant vacations on some one elses dime would detract from his lifelong pursuit of his own deification.

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  55. Elizabeth Warren claims that she got no special consideration for her fake claim of being a native American.

    Someone earlier pointed out that she got her JD from Rutgers Law School which ranks around number 62 on the US News Law School rankings, making it a certified 2nd tier law school. Go on the Harvard Law School faculty web site and try to find another senior law professor from a tier 2 school. Good luck.

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  56. she never claimed to be a member of a tribe…you can be 100 percent indian and not be a member of a tribe…
    she probably does have an indian ancestor…lots of us do…
    what’s your point here, steve?

    By the way, those here who claim to be on the dissident right (most here, I would guess) should be celebrating anyone who subverts the racial preferences scheme of the american establishment…everyone here should claim to be a racial minority…

    that’s real activism

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  57. Actually, Elizabeth Warren is a native American.

    A “native” is a person born in a given country, and “America” is the territory of the United States.

    But Elizabeth Warren is not an American Indian.

    She is not a Cherokee, nor is she a member of any of the other tribes which inhabited America before European colonization.

    Using the term “Native American” to refer to American Indians is a rhetorical tactic of the anti-nativist movement. This rhetorical cheap trick must be challenged at every opportunity.

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    I, born in the Bronx, NY, am also a "Native American." My parents emigrated from Europe to America. The ancestors of the "Native" Americans emigrated from Siberia via Beringia into what we call "the Americas". That whole "Native American" bit was never anything more more than what the late historian, Paul Johnson, would have called "the higher humbug."

    And as a corollary, wouldn't a white person born in Johannesburg, South Africa, and who emigrated to the US qualify as an "African" American.

    Please, enough of this rubbish!

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    A majority of American Indians actually call themselves Indians and prefer to be called Indians or American Indians.

    This has been surveyed, but I'm too lazy to look it up. I have known or met quite a few Indians over the course of my life. They all call themselves Indians.

    I'm talking about the real kind of Indians you meet in Southwestern places like the Navajo and Hopi reservations, and that you even grow up with and make friends with in parts of the Rocky Mountains. I'm not talking about casino Indians in Connecticut.

    Some of them pronounce the word something like "Indin," which just so happens to sound like a nice short form of "indigenous," though that is not the intent.

    Actual Indians care less about this crap than everybody else seems to. They and I both laugh and think it's funny and harmless that Columbus got it wrong and the name stuck.

    Similarly, I'm sure most Black / African-American / Negro people were perfectly happy being Negroes until somebody convinced them they had to be Blacks and then convinced them later that they had to be African Americans.

    , @Olorin
    Tell that to the Ford Foundation, among others.

    I am given to understand via the BBQ klatsch that the only construction and rebuilding going on at the beleaguered and infrastructurally aging Evergreen State College involves either trannies (an "equity lounge" in particular) or extremely overbuilt one-off artsy buildings where ostensible "First" "Nations" people can go play with string and wood and call it a Native Arts Campus (NAC).

    (Since last year I've heard that Evergreen is reacting to its plummeting enrollment and massively self-damaged brand by developing a master's degree in playing with string and wood, and another in "activism." President George Bridges, known locally by normal people by his code name "Cuckworth," routinely debases himself and everyone in his presence by opening all campus events with a groveling apology for Occupying Native Land. A buddy pronounced him the Oberfuhrer of Cringe, which is better than "Cuckworth" but more syllables.)

    But back to my point, John. While down in Olympia on business awhile back, I dropped by to check out the NAC-in-progress. The signage indicates that the $12-bn Ford Foundation--headed up by paleface negro Darren Walker--is supplying the project trigger money.

    For those unfamiliar with how this works: you get one of these "philanthropic foundations" to fund your fashionable-racialist SJW project at an ostensibly public institution. Then the institution--and the taxpayers who fund it--remains on the hook forever for keeping it going, maintaining it, filling it, and the like. Soon other initiatives and programs are shouldered aside, because you can't possibly REDUCE funding for these fashionable-racialist or tranny or whatever programs.

    It's a helluva scam, and those who can make careers there piece together a tidy living. For instance, one of the TESC injun program wranglers I looked up: she makes nearly $60K a year from the taxpayers as base salary, which in an AFSCME-protected job means another $30K or more in benefits and perks for her, her husband, and dependents.

    Add to that more money from the foundation(s) for "consulting," travel and hotels and meals paid for either by taxpayers or the foundation...and before you know it, one of these sinecures for life can bring in $125,000 a year, much of it untaxed, plus a very comfy retirement.

    Retirement in, as you might guess, not a raggedy-ass rez, but a highly white/orderly place like Olympia. Or in her case, she and her husband (a retired manufacturing engineer IIRC) live in an 82% white, 8% Asian neighborhood of Lacey, WA, that City Data shows as having only 1.5% "Native American" population.

    So this is just another fashionable-racialist scam where mostly white ladies and their white husbands want to benefit from minority genetics...while monetarizing them in the Ed Biz or public sector but never living outside of the whitest of white neighborhoods...while bashing white people (their own ancestors and selves) constantly.

    Grievance is a currency, and let's guess who are its central bankers.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Using the term “Native American” to refer to American Indians is a rhetorical tactic of the anti-nativist movement.
     
    It’s a double-edged sword. The key honorifics in PC-inflected “Native American” and “First Nations” are native and first, thus rhetorically (and subliminally) giving more moral weight to earlier arrivals in general—which also works in favor of founding stock whites, much to the consternation of the Ellis Island Schmaltz crowd and later arrivals.
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  58. @anonymous
    How many full blood Native Americans (indigenous to the continental US, not Mexico) still exist? Zero? Do they all have at least a little European in them?

    Even supposedly “pure” Mayans, who keep their language and customs, have a little bit of West-Eurasian DNA. It could be adaptive genes that allowed them to survive Old World diseases.

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  59. No it’s that Harvard owns the legal mumbo jumbo so can make it up as it goes along.

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  60. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Her Native cognomen is "Fake-
    Squaw-Who's-Heap-Big-on-the-Make-
    Wannabe-Pocahontas."
    But just "Fauxcahontas"
    To the DNA test she won't take.

    I’ll bet the reason she won’t take the DNA test is that she already has and knows the result.

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  61. @Anon
    OT: Supposedly Zuckerberg has sold more stock in the last 3 months than any insider at any company anywhere. This looks like he's building up a war chest for a presidential run. I also bet he was planning to donate generously to Democratic candidates in 2018 with the idea of compiling a fat list of people who owed him a favor, and racking up super-delegates in his corner for the presidential primaries.

    I bet he studied Hillary's financial takeover of the DNC very closely. The DNC is currently broke and they could badly use his cash, and they'd try to rig everything in his favor if he financed them along with donating to the entire field of Democratic candidates. They'd have a very hard time resisting that. Can't say the SJW crowd particularly likes him, though. He's male and pasty white and rich.

    However, Zuckerspy isn't doing his reputation any favors recently, and he may not get the nomination if his company is too tainted.

    Trump held no prior political office, and it gave the Establishment fits.

    I don’t think the Dems would go with an analogous Zuck. They like their politicians well seasoned in the art of going along with the narrative.

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  62. Tweet from 2015:

    Poison Ivy League Lout Cheekbone Woman Warren Move Mouth And Strange Stuff Come Out.

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  63. Cheekbone Woman Warren vote to give amnesty to illegal alien invaders in summer 2013.

    Cheekbone Woman Warren vote to triple legal immigration in summer 2013.

    Cheekbone Woman Warren vote to open the land up to all tribes from all other lands.

    Ckeekbone Woman Warren very vain. Cheekbone Woman Warren show off cheekbones like some other woman show off figure in yoga pants. Back to Minnesota. Cheekbone says she Pow Wow Person, gets job at Harvard. Cheekbone Woman Warren very shady and sneaky.

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  64. @Anon7
    I was wondering if Elizabeth Warren’s dream of being our first Native American president could ever be realized. It turns out that we’ve already had a Native American vice-President, Charles Curtis (1929-1933). His mother was of Kaw, Osage and French ancestry, and his father was ethnic British American.

    All Americans can be Dreamers, Fauxcahontas!

    Charles Curtis, VP under Hoover.

    1/8 Kaw Indian and 100% Republican.

    I had never heard of the Kaw tribe. Apparently they were not friends with the Cheyenne.

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  65. 2254284

    That’s initiation for men. Women don’t have such stuff, their “initiation” is menstruation.

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    Speak for yourself. In the love of my life's family, the women's initiation, conducted by other women, involves a cervid hunt.
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  66. @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Warren is a dishonest, vile, and self-serving climber. I don't understand why the indigenous don't condemn her. (Or maybe they do, but the media doesn't cover it.)

    They have:

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  67. @Anon
    Steve,

    Warren never claimed to be a "member" of the official federal Cherokee tribe so I don't get what your beef is here.

    Also, "congressperson" typically refers to members of the House, but not members of the Senate.

    No but she utilized a baseless claim (that, given her phenotype, would be completely unimportant even if true) for professional gain. It shows she’s careless with facts if not outright dishonest.

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    It shows she’s careless with facts if not outright dishonest.
     
    ... which is reason enough not to have her or anyone else like that in high public office ... hahahhaaaaa cough ... hahaa.. cough, cough, cough ... that's ... hahaha... cough cough ... choke cough ...

    (Wheewww, this eating while surfing the web is just not working out.)
    , @Anon
    It's hardly a baseless claim. There's good evidence in favor of it. It's her family's history. She is from Oklahoma. Not that phenotype matters, but she has a broad face and prominent roundish cheekbones consistent with some Amerindian ancestry.
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  68. So supposedly some cousin has paperwork proving that I am 3% plains injun (kiowa).

    Thus:

    You have to go back.

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  69. @ScarletNumber
    Why doesn't someone just take a can of soda she drank from and test the DNA from that a la Law and Order?
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  70. Tribes used to have that right. A federal judge changed that. Just to keep score: slave > Indian.

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  71. @anonymous
    How many full blood Native Americans (indigenous to the continental US, not Mexico) still exist? Zero? Do they all have at least a little European in them?

    Probably a few thousand. Especially in out of the way places with older folks. Navajo has the n best chance of full blood or close to it as they have a lot of native speakers compared to other tribes.

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  72. Heeeeeere’s Rachel!:


    Reminds me of Colin Kaepernic. Because nothing says #blacklivesmatter like a White-boy millionaire QB with an afro:

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  73. @Pericles

    Why doesn’t someone just take a can of soda she drank from and test the DNA from that a la Law and Order?
     
    You'd probably be thrown in jail for that, like Shkreli. I believe that even before that regrettable incident of judicial malfeasance I read some aside about the post-meal debris of the Clintons being strictly policed. Maybe it's a thing among the good and great nowadays.

    I read some aside about the post-meal debris of the Clintons being strictly policed. Maybe it’s a thing among the good and great nowadays.

    They don’t want DNA of their own being compared to the DNA of Chelsea Hubbell.

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  74. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Her Native cognomen is "Fake-
    Squaw-Who's-Heap-Big-on-the-Make-
    Wannabe-Pocahontas."
    But just "Fauxcahontas"
    To the DNA test she won't take.

    Pow-wow Warren, a/k/a “Hoaxahontas”

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  75. EW had a rough time running for POTUS last round.

    Did you know she had to sleep in the hotel lobby for a couple of stops?

    She did not have a reservation . . .

    (rim shot)

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  76. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Her Native cognomen is "Fake-
    Squaw-Who's-Heap-Big-on-the-Make-
    Wannabe-Pocahontas."
    But just "Fauxcahontas"
    To the DNA test she won't take.

    The dream-catcher pale gals agree:
    DNA isn’t real, j’you notsee?
    If it were it could show
    Their N-Am-fraction’s low…
    But their high Euro- won’t draw money.

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  77. @Bardon Kaldian
    That's initiation for men. Women don't have such stuff, their "initiation" is menstruation.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/417olKlfjGL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    Speak for yourself. In the love of my life’s family, the women’s initiation, conducted by other women, involves a cervid hunt.

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    Where they shoot males, right?
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  78. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @John Gruskos
    Actually, Elizabeth Warren is a native American.

    A "native" is a person born in a given country, and "America" is the territory of the United States.

    But Elizabeth Warren is not an American Indian.

    She is not a Cherokee, nor is she a member of any of the other tribes which inhabited America before European colonization.

    Using the term "Native American" to refer to American Indians is a rhetorical tactic of the anti-nativist movement. This rhetorical cheap trick must be challenged at every opportunity.

    I, born in the Bronx, NY, am also a “Native American.” My parents emigrated from Europe to America. The ancestors of the “Native” Americans emigrated from Siberia via Beringia into what we call “the Americas”. That whole “Native American” bit was never anything more more than what the late historian, Paul Johnson, would have called “the higher humbug.”

    And as a corollary, wouldn’t a white person born in Johannesburg, South Africa, and who emigrated to the US qualify as an “African” American.

    Please, enough of this rubbish!

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    Rubbish? Didn't stop John Kerry's wife.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1096515/posts
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  79. @John Gruskos
    Actually, Elizabeth Warren is a native American.

    A "native" is a person born in a given country, and "America" is the territory of the United States.

    But Elizabeth Warren is not an American Indian.

    She is not a Cherokee, nor is she a member of any of the other tribes which inhabited America before European colonization.

    Using the term "Native American" to refer to American Indians is a rhetorical tactic of the anti-nativist movement. This rhetorical cheap trick must be challenged at every opportunity.

    A majority of American Indians actually call themselves Indians and prefer to be called Indians or American Indians.

    This has been surveyed, but I’m too lazy to look it up. I have known or met quite a few Indians over the course of my life. They all call themselves Indians.

    I’m talking about the real kind of Indians you meet in Southwestern places like the Navajo and Hopi reservations, and that you even grow up with and make friends with in parts of the Rocky Mountains. I’m not talking about casino Indians in Connecticut.

    Some of them pronounce the word something like “Indin,” which just so happens to sound like a nice short form of “indigenous,” though that is not the intent.

    Actual Indians care less about this crap than everybody else seems to. They and I both laugh and think it’s funny and harmless that Columbus got it wrong and the name stuck.

    Similarly, I’m sure most Black / African-American / Negro people were perfectly happy being Negroes until somebody convinced them they had to be Blacks and then convinced them later that they had to be African Americans.

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    A majority of American Indians actually call themselves Indians and prefer to be called Indians or American Indians.
     
    I think I've written this before here, but I met a guy in a factory-type setting who had on a cap with big FBI letters. He sure didn't look the type, plus what he'd be doing there, I didn't know, either. "Hey, you're not the FBI", I said. He smiled, and pointed to the letters, saying "Full Blooded Indian."

    Similarly, I’m sure most Black / African-American / Negro people were perfectly happy being Negroes until somebody convinced them they had to be Blacks and then convinced them later that they had to be African Americans.
     
    Yep. If in any doubt, just watch Sanford and Son. The names get changed by people who don't like these terms clearly representing certain kinds of people. It's a PC thing to help keep things confusing.
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  80. @John Gruskos
    Actually, Elizabeth Warren is a native American.

    A "native" is a person born in a given country, and "America" is the territory of the United States.

    But Elizabeth Warren is not an American Indian.

    She is not a Cherokee, nor is she a member of any of the other tribes which inhabited America before European colonization.

    Using the term "Native American" to refer to American Indians is a rhetorical tactic of the anti-nativist movement. This rhetorical cheap trick must be challenged at every opportunity.

    Tell that to the Ford Foundation, among others.

    I am given to understand via the BBQ klatsch that the only construction and rebuilding going on at the beleaguered and infrastructurally aging Evergreen State College involves either trannies (an “equity lounge” in particular) or extremely overbuilt one-off artsy buildings where ostensible “First” “Nations” people can go play with string and wood and call it a Native Arts Campus (NAC).

    (Since last year I’ve heard that Evergreen is reacting to its plummeting enrollment and massively self-damaged brand by developing a master’s degree in playing with string and wood, and another in “activism.” President George Bridges, known locally by normal people by his code name “Cuckworth,” routinely debases himself and everyone in his presence by opening all campus events with a groveling apology for Occupying Native Land. A buddy pronounced him the Oberfuhrer of Cringe, which is better than “Cuckworth” but more syllables.)

    But back to my point, John. While down in Olympia on business awhile back, I dropped by to check out the NAC-in-progress. The signage indicates that the $12-bn Ford Foundation–headed up by paleface negro Darren Walker–is supplying the project trigger money.

    For those unfamiliar with how this works: you get one of these “philanthropic foundations” to fund your fashionable-racialist SJW project at an ostensibly public institution. Then the institution–and the taxpayers who fund it–remains on the hook forever for keeping it going, maintaining it, filling it, and the like. Soon other initiatives and programs are shouldered aside, because you can’t possibly REDUCE funding for these fashionable-racialist or tranny or whatever programs.

    It’s a helluva scam, and those who can make careers there piece together a tidy living. For instance, one of the TESC injun program wranglers I looked up: she makes nearly $60K a year from the taxpayers as base salary, which in an AFSCME-protected job means another $30K or more in benefits and perks for her, her husband, and dependents.

    Add to that more money from the foundation(s) for “consulting,” travel and hotels and meals paid for either by taxpayers or the foundation…and before you know it, one of these sinecures for life can bring in $125,000 a year, much of it untaxed, plus a very comfy retirement.

    Retirement in, as you might guess, not a raggedy-ass rez, but a highly white/orderly place like Olympia. Or in her case, she and her husband (a retired manufacturing engineer IIRC) live in an 82% white, 8% Asian neighborhood of Lacey, WA, that City Data shows as having only 1.5% “Native American” population.

    So this is just another fashionable-racialist scam where mostly white ladies and their white husbands want to benefit from minority genetics…while monetarizing them in the Ed Biz or public sector but never living outside of the whitest of white neighborhoods…while bashing white people (their own ancestors and selves) constantly.

    Grievance is a currency, and let’s guess who are its central bankers.

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  81. @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Warren is a dishonest, vile, and self-serving climber. I don't understand why the indigenous don't condemn her. (Or maybe they do, but the media doesn't cover it.)

    because the typical Cherokee tribal member is genetically 95% white today.

    http://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20161004_-2016-17-Tribal-Youth-Council-sworn-into-office

    if they look in the mirror they see white faces each day. Thus they fail to be critical of Warren, as they do not want genetics to determine tribal membership. Genetic testing has yet to find a cherokee indian who is not 75% white. Typically they are just 3% native American. The leaders of most of the tribes have been mostly white for the last 200 years. They are in no position to attack Warren for using affirmative action to advance her career.

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    "Genetic testing has yet to find a cherokee indian who is not 75% white. "

    Nonsense. Where do you get these "facts" that you spout here? That bullshit about genetic testing is an absolute lie. The one about "leaders of the tribes have been mostly white for the past 200 years" is absolutely delusional.

    Of course, you're a big supporter of Liz Warren, that much is clear, but try to at least come up with a verifiable fact here and there.
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  82. @AndrewR
    No but she utilized a baseless claim (that, given her phenotype, would be completely unimportant even if true) for professional gain. It shows she's careless with facts if not outright dishonest.

    It shows she’s careless with facts if not outright dishonest.

    … which is reason enough not to have her or anyone else like that in high public office … hahahhaaaaa cough … hahaa.. cough, cough, cough … that’s … hahaha… cough cough … choke cough …

    (Wheewww, this eating while surfing the web is just not working out.)

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    Honest politicians are rare but not non-existent
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  83. @Pericles

    Why doesn’t someone just take a can of soda she drank from and test the DNA from that a la Law and Order?
     
    You'd probably be thrown in jail for that, like Shkreli. I believe that even before that regrettable incident of judicial malfeasance I read some aside about the post-meal debris of the Clintons being strictly policed. Maybe it's a thing among the good and great nowadays.

    … about the post-meal debris …

    How’re they gonna police the sewer line? Sounds gross, I know, but it’s Soviet Cold-War era stuff. There’s probably an app for that now. I say” tap in, turn on, drop trou” … Next thing you know, Chelsea’s officially got a new dad … probably a big relief too… for everyone.

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    How’re they gonna police the sewer line?

     

    Depends
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  84. @John Gruskos
    Actually, Elizabeth Warren is a native American.

    A "native" is a person born in a given country, and "America" is the territory of the United States.

    But Elizabeth Warren is not an American Indian.

    She is not a Cherokee, nor is she a member of any of the other tribes which inhabited America before European colonization.

    Using the term "Native American" to refer to American Indians is a rhetorical tactic of the anti-nativist movement. This rhetorical cheap trick must be challenged at every opportunity.

    Using the term “Native American” to refer to American Indians is a rhetorical tactic of the anti-nativist movement.

    It’s a double-edged sword. The key honorifics in PC-inflected “Native American” and “First Nations” are native and first, thus rhetorically (and subliminally) giving more moral weight to earlier arrivals in general—which also works in favor of founding stock whites, much to the consternation of the Ellis Island Schmaltz crowd and later arrivals.

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  85. @Mr. Baker
    Actually, Elizabeth Warren really IS a native American. That is because she is native to America. Trump is a native American. I am a native American. Steve Sailer is a native American as is Bill Cosby, Oprah, Cher, etc. etc.

    Reminder: American indian tribes are not forms of indigenous flora.

    Thank you.

    No, thank you. I wish I’d written that earlier or someone should have. If they’ve got that

    [] Native American

    box on a government form, you have every right to check it or click it.

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  86. @Buzz Mohawk
    A majority of American Indians actually call themselves Indians and prefer to be called Indians or American Indians.

    This has been surveyed, but I'm too lazy to look it up. I have known or met quite a few Indians over the course of my life. They all call themselves Indians.

    I'm talking about the real kind of Indians you meet in Southwestern places like the Navajo and Hopi reservations, and that you even grow up with and make friends with in parts of the Rocky Mountains. I'm not talking about casino Indians in Connecticut.

    Some of them pronounce the word something like "Indin," which just so happens to sound like a nice short form of "indigenous," though that is not the intent.

    Actual Indians care less about this crap than everybody else seems to. They and I both laugh and think it's funny and harmless that Columbus got it wrong and the name stuck.

    Similarly, I'm sure most Black / African-American / Negro people were perfectly happy being Negroes until somebody convinced them they had to be Blacks and then convinced them later that they had to be African Americans.

    A majority of American Indians actually call themselves Indians and prefer to be called Indians or American Indians.

    I think I’ve written this before here, but I met a guy in a factory-type setting who had on a cap with big FBI letters. He sure didn’t look the type, plus what he’d be doing there, I didn’t know, either. “Hey, you’re not the FBI”, I said. He smiled, and pointed to the letters, saying “Full Blooded Indian.”

    Similarly, I’m sure most Black / African-American / Negro people were perfectly happy being Negroes until somebody convinced them they had to be Blacks and then convinced them later that they had to be African Americans.

    Yep. If in any doubt, just watch Sanford and Son. The names get changed by people who don’t like these terms clearly representing certain kinds of people. It’s a PC thing to help keep things confusing.

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  87. @Travis
    because the typical Cherokee tribal member is genetically 95% white today.

    http://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20161004_-2016-17-Tribal-Youth-Council-sworn-into-office

    if they look in the mirror they see white faces each day. Thus they fail to be critical of Warren, as they do not want genetics to determine tribal membership. Genetic testing has yet to find a cherokee indian who is not 75% white. Typically they are just 3% native American. The leaders of most of the tribes have been mostly white for the last 200 years. They are in no position to attack Warren for using affirmative action to advance her career.

    “Genetic testing has yet to find a cherokee indian who is not 75% white. ”

    Nonsense. Where do you get these “facts” that you spout here? That bullshit about genetic testing is an absolute lie. The one about “leaders of the tribes have been mostly white for the past 200 years” is absolutely delusional.

    Of course, you’re a big supporter of Liz Warren, that much is clear, but try to at least come up with a verifiable fact here and there.

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    in 1828 John Ross became the Chief of the Cherokee Nation. He was the son of a Scotsman named Daniel Ross. His mother was ¾ Scottish and ¼ Cherokee making the prominent Chief 7/8 White and 1/8 Cherokee. Ross served as Chief until his death in 1866. John Ross earlier served as a Lieutennant fighting under the command of general and future President Andrew Jackson during the U.S. War against the Creek tribe known as the Battle of Horsehoe Bend in which 600 Creek warriors were killed.

    many genetic studies of the cherokee have been done...so far they have yet to find a single Cherokee who is genetically 30% Native American....According to David Cornstalk the son of a Cherokee father and a White mother, “ The most common degree of Cherokee blood amongst the Cherokee Nation is 1/32 with nearly 95% of the tribe being less than ¼ Cherokee.”
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  88. @Achmed E. Newman

    ... about the post-meal debris ...
     
    How're they gonna police the sewer line? Sounds gross, I know, but it's Soviet Cold-War era stuff. There's probably an app for that now. I say" tap in, turn on, drop trou" ... Next thing you know, Chelsea's officially got a new dad ... probably a big relief too... for everyone.

    How’re they gonna police the sewer line?

    Depends
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  89. Heh!

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  90. OK, that’s kinda vague for a comment here, even from me! That was meant as a reply to Pericles #83.

    Again, heh!

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  91. @Twodees Partain
    "Genetic testing has yet to find a cherokee indian who is not 75% white. "

    Nonsense. Where do you get these "facts" that you spout here? That bullshit about genetic testing is an absolute lie. The one about "leaders of the tribes have been mostly white for the past 200 years" is absolutely delusional.

    Of course, you're a big supporter of Liz Warren, that much is clear, but try to at least come up with a verifiable fact here and there.

    in 1828 John Ross became the Chief of the Cherokee Nation. He was the son of a Scotsman named Daniel Ross. His mother was ¾ Scottish and ¼ Cherokee making the prominent Chief 7/8 White and 1/8 Cherokee. Ross served as Chief until his death in 1866. John Ross earlier served as a Lieutennant fighting under the command of general and future President Andrew Jackson during the U.S. War against the Creek tribe known as the Battle of Horsehoe Bend in which 600 Creek warriors were killed.

    many genetic studies of the cherokee have been done…so far they have yet to find a single Cherokee who is genetically 30% Native American….According to David Cornstalk the son of a Cherokee father and a White mother, “ The most common degree of Cherokee blood amongst the Cherokee Nation is 1/32 with nearly 95% of the tribe being less than ¼ Cherokee.”

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    Your actual claim was that "The leaders of most of the tribes have been mostly white for the last 200 years. ", which is not only a ridiculous lie about all indian tribes, but about the Cherokee in particular.

    200 years ago, Pathkiller, a fullblood, was Principal Chief of the Cherokee. He was the last hereditary Principal Chief. He was succeeded by John Ross, who was the first elected Principal Chief under the Cherokee constitution. Ross was indeed 1/8th blood, but he was succeeded by William Hicks, who had been a defacto chief, as was his brother, Charles Hicks. The Hicks brothers were 1/4 blood.

    The Hicks brothers were followed by several interim chiefs:
    John Looney 3/4 blood
    John Brown 1/2 blood
    John Rogers 1/2 blood

    The many other principal chiefs (besides John Ross) of the 19th century ranged from 1/4 blood to full blood. Stand Watie was one. Look him up and see what degree of Cherokee ancestry he had. There were, also, two bands of Cherokee in what's now Oklahoma. The Old Settler band (mainly from Tennessee, Kentucky, etc.) were already there when John Ross and his people arrived from the Carolinas and Georgia. Old Settler chiefs were of blood degrees ranging from 1/4 to fullblood.

    "According to David Cornstalk the son of a Cherokee father and a White mother,"

    You're trying to do a little name-dropping there, but get the name right. That's David Cornsilk. I haven't met him except online years ago, but I did meet his parents. His father, John Cornsilk was a vendor of sterling jewelry at pow wows when I met him, about 20 or so years back.

    "many genetic studies of the cherokee have been done…so far they have yet to find a single Cherokee who is genetically 30% Native American"

    This is easily disproven. There is no such thing as "30%" blood quantum, which is how you're trying to weasel out of your lie in the earlier reply. Blood Quantum is divisible by 2. The weasel wording of your claim also leaves out any Cherokee who hasn't submitted DNA for testing. BTW, there are 3 federally recognized Cherokee bands: (CNO, UKB and ECB), and you can't make any statement about your beloved percentages without stating which band you are referring to.

    At any rate, Blood Quantum doesn't determine who is and isn't indian. Genealogy is the determining factor. CNO has no minimum blood quantum requirement for enrollment. A man or woman with 1/32 Cherokee blood may be 31/32 Creek, Apache, Kiowa, or any other ethnicity and still be assigned 1/32 Blood Quantum if they enroll with CNO, which someone may do because of their matrilineal clan identity. This means that your statement about majority 1/32 blood in whichever band you're trying to refer to doesn't mean that all of them are mostly white, or black or whatever.

    I don't really even know why I'm discussing this with you, since you don't know enough about the subject to even have an opinion, but your lies just kind of pissed me off. Several genealogists have offered to confirm your girl's ancestry, but she isn't interested. You're trying to tar all Cherokee with the brush that's used against Warren. It won't work.

    , @Olorin
    The other way to reply, Travis, is to acquaint commenters like TP with the various different means for enrolling one in a tribe. It's not as unitary or uncomplicated as many seem to think.

    For some tribes it's "blood quantum," which itself is questionable since any particular claimed ancestor could be "full blood" or not, we don't know. There is no actual way of telling.

    For other tribes it's presence on the Dawes Rolls. Which has nothing whatever to do with genetics, and if you spend any time studying BIA, BIC, and ISS documents of the 19th century, you realize that even then, in the areas and era of early contact, the categories were far from precise.

    And then, in cases I saw in the Great Lakes region, it was a matter of which tribal-chief family wanted to provide bennies to allies/deprive enemies, so made sure their paperwork was in order.

    As far as I can see, this whole injun thing has been stoked as a way to create a hostile geopolitical presence within the borders of the US...requiring US taxpayers to support it.

    The tragedy is that it uses localized breeding populations that genuinely have deficits and problems as the base of a lucrative career pyramid scam for people who pretend they hate civilization but use these people to thrive in it.

    Using "the least of these my brethren" in this way has always rankled... even as I myself prefer not to live near them. But neither do I present myself as caring so GD much about them as I choose not to live near them, nor profiting from their ongoing and worsening situation. The cold, calculating cynicism and mendacity of that needs to be highlighted wherever it appears, beating its sternum as superior to you nazi fascist racist FWMs. There is no person I find so loathsome as one who loves the downtrodden so GD much...that they keep farming more downtrodden to love.

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  92. @Harry Baldwin
    As the left has taught us, name calling works and reasoned debate doesn't. Trump's mockery has done Warren more damage than anything you might suggest.

    says “As the left has taught us, name calling works and reasoned debate doesn’t. Trump’s mockery has done Warren more damage than anything you might suggest” and , @Johnny Smoggins, 7, and agree. chimes in “Yeah, Trump’s name-calling has had such disastrous effects on his political aspirations…”

    & aren’t capable of doing a simple search to find out what “LUN” means.

    This would be a good opportunity for those like Sailer to oppose idiocracy, acting like the far-left, and so on. Surely he has to realize there are smarter ways to do things than acting like, say, ThinkProgress. Surely he has to realize that it’s a false choice to say we must choose between acting like campus far-lefties and what those like “Harry Baldwin” call “reasoned debate”. It’s time for grown-ups who command flocks to act like leaders, rather than just enabling yahooism.

    P.S. LUN has 5 ways Trump could undercut EW. Those three letters “LUN” are baffling to some at this site, but I’m sure not to you the current reader.

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    If you want to be the big, swinging lun here, desi, you'll have to do better than this.
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  93. @AndrewR
    No but she utilized a baseless claim (that, given her phenotype, would be completely unimportant even if true) for professional gain. It shows she's careless with facts if not outright dishonest.

    It’s hardly a baseless claim. There’s good evidence in favor of it. It’s her family’s history. She is from Oklahoma. Not that phenotype matters, but she has a broad face and prominent roundish cheekbones consistent with some Amerindian ancestry.

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    Muh cheekbones!
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  94. @Travis
    in 1828 John Ross became the Chief of the Cherokee Nation. He was the son of a Scotsman named Daniel Ross. His mother was ¾ Scottish and ¼ Cherokee making the prominent Chief 7/8 White and 1/8 Cherokee. Ross served as Chief until his death in 1866. John Ross earlier served as a Lieutennant fighting under the command of general and future President Andrew Jackson during the U.S. War against the Creek tribe known as the Battle of Horsehoe Bend in which 600 Creek warriors were killed.

    many genetic studies of the cherokee have been done...so far they have yet to find a single Cherokee who is genetically 30% Native American....According to David Cornstalk the son of a Cherokee father and a White mother, “ The most common degree of Cherokee blood amongst the Cherokee Nation is 1/32 with nearly 95% of the tribe being less than ¼ Cherokee.”

    Your actual claim was that “The leaders of most of the tribes have been mostly white for the last 200 years. “, which is not only a ridiculous lie about all indian tribes, but about the Cherokee in particular.

    200 years ago, Pathkiller, a fullblood, was Principal Chief of the Cherokee. He was the last hereditary Principal Chief. He was succeeded by John Ross, who was the first elected Principal Chief under the Cherokee constitution. Ross was indeed 1/8th blood, but he was succeeded by William Hicks, who had been a defacto chief, as was his brother, Charles Hicks. The Hicks brothers were 1/4 blood.

    The Hicks brothers were followed by several interim chiefs:
    John Looney 3/4 blood
    John Brown 1/2 blood
    John Rogers 1/2 blood

    The many other principal chiefs (besides John Ross) of the 19th century ranged from 1/4 blood to full blood. Stand Watie was one. Look him up and see what degree of Cherokee ancestry he had. There were, also, two bands of Cherokee in what’s now Oklahoma. The Old Settler band (mainly from Tennessee, Kentucky, etc.) were already there when John Ross and his people arrived from the Carolinas and Georgia. Old Settler chiefs were of blood degrees ranging from 1/4 to fullblood.

    “According to David Cornstalk the son of a Cherokee father and a White mother,”

    You’re trying to do a little name-dropping there, but get the name right. That’s David Cornsilk. I haven’t met him except online years ago, but I did meet his parents. His father, John Cornsilk was a vendor of sterling jewelry at pow wows when I met him, about 20 or so years back.

    “many genetic studies of the cherokee have been done…so far they have yet to find a single Cherokee who is genetically 30% Native American”

    This is easily disproven. There is no such thing as “30%” blood quantum, which is how you’re trying to weasel out of your lie in the earlier reply. Blood Quantum is divisible by 2. The weasel wording of your claim also leaves out any Cherokee who hasn’t submitted DNA for testing. BTW, there are 3 federally recognized Cherokee bands: (CNO, UKB and ECB), and you can’t make any statement about your beloved percentages without stating which band you are referring to.

    At any rate, Blood Quantum doesn’t determine who is and isn’t indian. Genealogy is the determining factor. CNO has no minimum blood quantum requirement for enrollment. A man or woman with 1/32 Cherokee blood may be 31/32 Creek, Apache, Kiowa, or any other ethnicity and still be assigned 1/32 Blood Quantum if they enroll with CNO, which someone may do because of their matrilineal clan identity. This means that your statement about majority 1/32 blood in whichever band you’re trying to refer to doesn’t mean that all of them are mostly white, or black or whatever.

    I don’t really even know why I’m discussing this with you, since you don’t know enough about the subject to even have an opinion, but your lies just kind of pissed me off. Several genealogists have offered to confirm your girl’s ancestry, but she isn’t interested. You’re trying to tar all Cherokee with the brush that’s used against Warren. It won’t work.

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    Game. Set. Match. Well done.
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  95. @anonymous
    I, born in the Bronx, NY, am also a "Native American." My parents emigrated from Europe to America. The ancestors of the "Native" Americans emigrated from Siberia via Beringia into what we call "the Americas". That whole "Native American" bit was never anything more more than what the late historian, Paul Johnson, would have called "the higher humbug."

    And as a corollary, wouldn't a white person born in Johannesburg, South Africa, and who emigrated to the US qualify as an "African" American.

    Please, enough of this rubbish!

    Rubbish? Didn’t stop John Kerry’s wife.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1096515/posts

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  96. @24AheadDotCom
    @Harry Baldwin says "As the left has taught us, name calling works and reasoned debate doesn’t. Trump’s mockery has done Warren more damage than anything you might suggest" and @AndrewR, @Johnny Smoggins, @Anon7, and @YetAnotherAnon agree. @Daniel Williams chimes in "Yeah, Trump’s name-calling has had such disastrous effects on his political aspirations..."

    @J.Ross & @Mr. Anon aren't capable of doing a simple search to find out what "LUN" means.

    This would be a good opportunity for those like Sailer to oppose idiocracy, acting like the far-left, and so on. Surely he has to realize there are smarter ways to do things than acting like, say, ThinkProgress. Surely he has to realize that it's a false choice to say we must choose between acting like campus far-lefties and what those like "Harry Baldwin" call "reasoned debate". It's time for grown-ups who command flocks to act like leaders, rather than just enabling yahooism.

    P.S. LUN has 5 ways Trump could undercut EW. Those three letters "LUN" are baffling to some at this site, but I'm sure not to you the current reader.

    If you want to be the big, swinging lun here, desi, you’ll have to do better than this.

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  97. @Anon
    It's hardly a baseless claim. There's good evidence in favor of it. It's her family's history. She is from Oklahoma. Not that phenotype matters, but she has a broad face and prominent roundish cheekbones consistent with some Amerindian ancestry.

    Muh cheekbones!

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  98. @Travis
    in 1828 John Ross became the Chief of the Cherokee Nation. He was the son of a Scotsman named Daniel Ross. His mother was ¾ Scottish and ¼ Cherokee making the prominent Chief 7/8 White and 1/8 Cherokee. Ross served as Chief until his death in 1866. John Ross earlier served as a Lieutennant fighting under the command of general and future President Andrew Jackson during the U.S. War against the Creek tribe known as the Battle of Horsehoe Bend in which 600 Creek warriors were killed.

    many genetic studies of the cherokee have been done...so far they have yet to find a single Cherokee who is genetically 30% Native American....According to David Cornstalk the son of a Cherokee father and a White mother, “ The most common degree of Cherokee blood amongst the Cherokee Nation is 1/32 with nearly 95% of the tribe being less than ¼ Cherokee.”

    The other way to reply, Travis, is to acquaint commenters like TP with the various different means for enrolling one in a tribe. It’s not as unitary or uncomplicated as many seem to think.

    For some tribes it’s “blood quantum,” which itself is questionable since any particular claimed ancestor could be “full blood” or not, we don’t know. There is no actual way of telling.

    For other tribes it’s presence on the Dawes Rolls. Which has nothing whatever to do with genetics, and if you spend any time studying BIA, BIC, and ISS documents of the 19th century, you realize that even then, in the areas and era of early contact, the categories were far from precise.

    And then, in cases I saw in the Great Lakes region, it was a matter of which tribal-chief family wanted to provide bennies to allies/deprive enemies, so made sure their paperwork was in order.

    As far as I can see, this whole injun thing has been stoked as a way to create a hostile geopolitical presence within the borders of the US…requiring US taxpayers to support it.

    The tragedy is that it uses localized breeding populations that genuinely have deficits and problems as the base of a lucrative career pyramid scam for people who pretend they hate civilization but use these people to thrive in it.

    Using “the least of these my brethren” in this way has always rankled… even as I myself prefer not to live near them. But neither do I present myself as caring so GD much about them as I choose not to live near them, nor profiting from their ongoing and worsening situation. The cold, calculating cynicism and mendacity of that needs to be highlighted wherever it appears, beating its sternum as superior to you nazi fascist racist FWMs. There is no person I find so loathsome as one who loves the downtrodden so GD much…that they keep farming more downtrodden to love.

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  99. @Achmed E. Newman

    It shows she’s careless with facts if not outright dishonest.
     
    ... which is reason enough not to have her or anyone else like that in high public office ... hahahhaaaaa cough ... hahaa.. cough, cough, cough ... that's ... hahaha... cough cough ... choke cough ...

    (Wheewww, this eating while surfing the web is just not working out.)

    Honest politicians are rare but not non-existent

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  100. @Olorin
    Speak for yourself. In the love of my life's family, the women's initiation, conducted by other women, involves a cervid hunt.

    Where they shoot males, right?

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  101. @Twodees Partain
    Your actual claim was that "The leaders of most of the tribes have been mostly white for the last 200 years. ", which is not only a ridiculous lie about all indian tribes, but about the Cherokee in particular.

    200 years ago, Pathkiller, a fullblood, was Principal Chief of the Cherokee. He was the last hereditary Principal Chief. He was succeeded by John Ross, who was the first elected Principal Chief under the Cherokee constitution. Ross was indeed 1/8th blood, but he was succeeded by William Hicks, who had been a defacto chief, as was his brother, Charles Hicks. The Hicks brothers were 1/4 blood.

    The Hicks brothers were followed by several interim chiefs:
    John Looney 3/4 blood
    John Brown 1/2 blood
    John Rogers 1/2 blood

    The many other principal chiefs (besides John Ross) of the 19th century ranged from 1/4 blood to full blood. Stand Watie was one. Look him up and see what degree of Cherokee ancestry he had. There were, also, two bands of Cherokee in what's now Oklahoma. The Old Settler band (mainly from Tennessee, Kentucky, etc.) were already there when John Ross and his people arrived from the Carolinas and Georgia. Old Settler chiefs were of blood degrees ranging from 1/4 to fullblood.

    "According to David Cornstalk the son of a Cherokee father and a White mother,"

    You're trying to do a little name-dropping there, but get the name right. That's David Cornsilk. I haven't met him except online years ago, but I did meet his parents. His father, John Cornsilk was a vendor of sterling jewelry at pow wows when I met him, about 20 or so years back.

    "many genetic studies of the cherokee have been done…so far they have yet to find a single Cherokee who is genetically 30% Native American"

    This is easily disproven. There is no such thing as "30%" blood quantum, which is how you're trying to weasel out of your lie in the earlier reply. Blood Quantum is divisible by 2. The weasel wording of your claim also leaves out any Cherokee who hasn't submitted DNA for testing. BTW, there are 3 federally recognized Cherokee bands: (CNO, UKB and ECB), and you can't make any statement about your beloved percentages without stating which band you are referring to.

    At any rate, Blood Quantum doesn't determine who is and isn't indian. Genealogy is the determining factor. CNO has no minimum blood quantum requirement for enrollment. A man or woman with 1/32 Cherokee blood may be 31/32 Creek, Apache, Kiowa, or any other ethnicity and still be assigned 1/32 Blood Quantum if they enroll with CNO, which someone may do because of their matrilineal clan identity. This means that your statement about majority 1/32 blood in whichever band you're trying to refer to doesn't mean that all of them are mostly white, or black or whatever.

    I don't really even know why I'm discussing this with you, since you don't know enough about the subject to even have an opinion, but your lies just kind of pissed me off. Several genealogists have offered to confirm your girl's ancestry, but she isn't interested. You're trying to tar all Cherokee with the brush that's used against Warren. It won't work.

    Game. Set. Match. Well done.

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