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From the New York Times:

Are Immigrants Causing a Swedish Crime Wave?
Vikas Bajaj
TAKING NOTE MARCH 2, 2017

… To better understand that country’s experience, I spoke to Henrik Emilsson, an international immigration researcher at Malmö University. …

Is there any evidence that recent immigrants are having an impact on crime in Sweden?

Not the recent ones. There is a huge debate in Sweden about immigration and crime. And we know from earlier statistics that the foreign-born commit three times as many crimes on average as native-borns. But these riots and crimes in the suburbs, they are related mostly to drugs and gangs. Those people are born and raised in Sweden. It has nothing to do with the recent immigration. It’s the children of migrants and maybe people that came when they were young.

There has been this issue of sexual harassment. And there is some evidence that the new refugees are somewhat involved in this. But there are no official statistics on it.

What about terrorism?

Not particularly, because the people for example who have gone and fought for ISIS, they are also quite established — they are Swedes that have grown up here.

S0, stop worrying about what immigrants will do over the next 5 or 10 years. Worry instead about what their descendants will do over the next 50 or 100 years. Don’t you feel better already?

 
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  1. I’m utterly shocked that the NYT hasn’t opened up the comments section on that article.

    • Replies: @RW
    They'd get ripped to shreds and they know it.
  2. This reminds me of the study that was conducted in Germany. They found that the longer a young Muslim’s family had been in Germany, the more likely he was to be radicalized. So, you are pretty much guaranteed the problem will get worse over time due to individual behavior and a lot more of the Muslim individuals.

    • Replies: @anon

    So, you are pretty much guaranteed the problem will get worse over time
     
    also low IQ guarantees most of them will remain at the bottom of society blaming their situation on discrimination rather than low IQ
  3. So stupid it hurts. In fact, so stupid it’s something a Swedish politician might say.

  4. I went a few rounds with Mr. Unz in the past over the American crime data (compiled by the pro-immigration Migration Policy Institute, I think), which indicate that while foreign-born Mexicans commit slightly lower rates of crimes than American-born whites, American-born Mexicans commit much higher rates of crime (something like 7 times the foreign-born Mexican rate).

    That was also the case with American-born Asians, that is, American-born Asians commit around 3 times the crime rate of the foreign-born Asians, but because the former is a tiny fraction of the rate of American-born whites, the latter still had lower crime rates than native whites.

    In any case, this doesn’t bode well for assimilation of the descendants of Hispanic immigrants in the U.S. It apparently also doesn’t bode well for their Muslim counterparts in Western Europe.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    It apparently also doesn’t bode well for their Muslim counterparts in Western Europe.
     
    And it bodes worse for Europeans!
    , @res

    American-born Asians commit around 3 times the crime rate of the foreign-born Asians, but because the former is a tiny fraction of the rate of American-born whites, the latter still had lower crime rates than native whites
     
    It is easy not to be too bothered by that since it is easily explained by assimilating towards the mean of the culture around them which seems understandable (if not desirable in this particular instance). The explosion from near comparable to multiples of the white rate is much less forgivable IMHO. Though perhaps explained by assimilating towards the mean of another culture in the US.
    , @Gringo
    I went a few rounds with Mr. Unz in the past over the American crime data (compiled by the pro-immigration Migration Policy Institute, I think), which indicate that while foreign-born Mexicans commit slightly lower rates of crimes than American-born whites, American-born Mexicans commit much higher rates of crime (something like 7 times the foreign-born Mexican rate).

    My experience in classrooms was that the behavior of children of recent Hispanic immigrants, be they legal or illegal, tended to be better than children of US-born Hispanics, and light years better than black children. There was an exception: Salvadoreans, which I attribute to the effects of the civil war there. For example, there were many who had missed years of schooling, meaning that there were 16 year old Salvadoreans in 7th grade- not an indicator for good behavior.

    , @Dieter Kief
    The North African migration to France is a large scale social experiment. Now there's Mme. Le Pen and then there - - was, as it seems today - - Francois Fillon - - trying to make sense of the outcomes of the immigration-experiment in regarding not only the positive side of it.

    Scocial-science, social-psychology - not so much: There's no real interest in what's actually going on.
    As in the US, you find a debate about police-behaviour. Educate the police, make them civilized and polite, and: Erverything will be smoothed-out soon and the sun will be shining brigth - - and ...! - Police-education, the latest craze!

    A few writers though, some of them from the Maghreb themselves like Kamel Daoud, oppose this kind of child-like analysis. Others are of French origin, sometimes ex-leftists like Alain Finkielkraut and Michael Onfray. And Michel Houellebecq.
    In the actual government, there's secretary of Housing and Urban Development Kanner, who, as a socialist, is openly for immigration restrictions.

    Many hippsters like the immigrants, because they deliver cheap drugs.

    , @Portlander
    And yet look at it from the thoroughly indoctrinated Prog's point of view.

    It has to be society's fault. HBD is unpossible, so that leaves structural racism as the only explanation. Ergo, we must try harder, starting with importing yet more refugees to show how unracist we are.

    It's a virtuous Catch-22 Dems have set-up for themselves to stuff the voter roles.

  5. Yes, the WaPo today was commenting on how Trump’s extra planeload per week of illegals returning to Mexico will depress wages over there:

    More returnees means lower wages for everybody in blue-collar industries such as construction and automobile manufacturing, where competition for jobs is likely to increase, economists say.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/mexico-prepares-to-absorb-a-wave-of-deportees-in-the-trump-era/2017/03/03/a7bd624a-f86c-11e6-aa1e-5f735ee31334_story.html?utm_term=.41cce00276d3

  6. The media really are trying to cut off their Pinocchio noses just to spite Trump, and the effect is illuminating.

    Or something like that.

  7. Note that you can’t do “extreme vetting” on children as yet unborn.

  8. *obligatory inflammatory comment*

  9. John Derbyshire coined the term “absimmilation” to describe this phenomenon.

  10. @Twinkie
    I went a few rounds with Mr. Unz in the past over the American crime data (compiled by the pro-immigration Migration Policy Institute, I think), which indicate that while foreign-born Mexicans commit slightly lower rates of crimes than American-born whites, American-born Mexicans commit much higher rates of crime (something like 7 times the foreign-born Mexican rate).

    That was also the case with American-born Asians, that is, American-born Asians commit around 3 times the crime rate of the foreign-born Asians, but because the former is a tiny fraction of the rate of American-born whites, the latter still had lower crime rates than native whites.

    In any case, this doesn't bode well for assimilation of the descendants of Hispanic immigrants in the U.S. It apparently also doesn't bode well for their Muslim counterparts in Western Europe.

    It apparently also doesn’t bode well for their Muslim counterparts in Western Europe.

    And it bodes worse for Europeans!

  11. Ed says:

    This bizarre thinking is dominant among US journalists. They’ll dismiss claims that immigrants bring terrorism because the actual immigrants don’t commit them. Their sons & daughters are American.

    They view birthplace as key as if merely being born to a place automatically attaches one to place any notion of ethnic ties or loyalty is incomprehensible to them. They also think jus soli citizenship is global and the standard.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Related: where they compare high value immigrants to low value native born. "See that racist, you're wrong, immigrants are actually better!"

    So, for example, college educated Polish immigrants are compared to native born black criminals. Because they know that 'immigrant' summons up mental images of non-whites while 'native born' implies white. They're lying and they know it.
    , @Glaivester
    An example of the "magic dirt birthplace" theory:

    https://twitter.com/SKZCartoons/status/837681217575211011
  12. There is a huge debate in Sweden about immigration and crime.

    Yeah, there suuure is.

    Henrik Emilsson, an international immigration researcher at Malmö University.

    I wonder if he was blinking in morse code during the interview.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Timber
    Here is an illuminating documentary about the quality of debate that is taking place in Sweden. It is about an hour long: https://vimeo.com/204969267
  13. The NYT is trying to become the new Pravda…

  14. • Agree: syonredux
    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    You're right, it should be spelled with only one "m": absimilation.
  15. As with all nut houses, the longer you are a resident in one the nuttier you will become over time. The New York Times is the front reception desk for the open-air nut house called the United States of America.

  16. @Ed
    This bizarre thinking is dominant among US journalists. They'll dismiss claims that immigrants bring terrorism because the actual immigrants don't commit them. Their sons & daughters are American.

    They view birthplace as key as if merely being born to a place automatically attaches one to place any notion of ethnic ties or loyalty is incomprehensible to them. They also think jus soli citizenship is global and the standard.

    Related: where they compare high value immigrants to low value native born. “See that racist, you’re wrong, immigrants are actually better!”

    So, for example, college educated Polish immigrants are compared to native born black criminals. Because they know that ‘immigrant’ summons up mental images of non-whites while ‘native born’ implies white. They’re lying and they know it.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    They’re lying and they know it.
     
    Once you've convinced yourself there is no such thing as truth, you can't even manage so much as a lie. It's all bullshit.

    http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7929.html
  17. I’m sure someone, somewhere, has pointed out that immigrants may be better behaved than their descendants, at least in some countries, because they know they are on shaky ground, they might actually get deported. Their offspring are not under the same threat.

    Well, not yet anyway. Fingers crossed. 😉

  18. Is that all immigrants or only those who are devout followers of the peaceful Mo?
    – Vikas Bajaj = Indian

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    I've worked with Chinese descended from the early batch let into BC to work on building the railway across BC and over the Rockies.

    They do not seem badly behaved at all. I have no stats, but that's my impression. In fact, because there weren't that many of them, they appear to be very well assimilated.

    But the huge wave now arriving may bring some corruption. Remember the Kurdish economist saying assimilation was a function of the percentage of the population?

    But even the recent ones don't seem to have the same innate violence we see in some other groups.

    I think there is a Muslim problem though. If a Muslim decides he's not going to assimilate he has an entire body of "sacred" writing telling him that it's his job to convert the rest of the population to Islam.

    If he tends towards violence, those same writings tell him violence is OK, possibly even required.

    I would say: no more Muslim immigrants at all until the relevant authorities denounce violent jihad. (They won't).
  19. When they write things like this, then you really know that they’ve run out of excuses.

  20. This is the primary cause, IMO, of “white flight”. No matter how nice and hard-working that African-American couple is (“they’re just like us!”), it is the kids you have to worry about. Since no one knows which ones will cause trouble, it is better and safer to move right away.

  21. I suppose a compromise solution might be sterilisation as a condition of immigrating to Sweden, but then again, what’s the point in submerging the country in a mudslide of vibrants if they don’t outbreed and replace the native population?

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    Sweden used to forcibly sterilize people so it wouldn't be anything new. I'm afraid we stopped doing it 40 years ago though so I'm not sure there are many doctors left with any experience.

    Regarding the topic here it is true that recent immigrants aren't the reason for the recent crime wave(and even that should be compared to your own US state...) and it's actually annoying to read Breitbart, Mail or the comments section here and find comments suggesting this.

    The Swedish(and German) problems have been brewing for a long, long time and what has changed is really that the native population have had enough. This is why so much information is out there these days.

    The problems are now big enough to be noticed and not coincidentally an anti-immigrant party is growing in the polls(and elections) fast.
  22. The problem will be over the next 50 to 100 years? More like next 15 to 20 years.

  23. Hillary supporters were making this same dumb argument during the campaign. They kept saying that Trump’s ban on Muslim immigration wouldn’t work because the Orlando shooter was the son of an immigrant. I don’t think they realized how dumb this argument sounded to normal people who aren’t obsessed with diversity and multiculturalism.

  24. @John Derbyshire

    You’re right, it should be spelled with only one “m”: absimilation.

  25. “There has been this issue of sexual harassment. And there is some evidence that the new refugees are somewhat involved in this. But there are no official statistics on it.”

    Because, they stopped recording the data when the results became embarrassing.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    Barry the Kenyan stopped releasing figures for inter-racial rape.
  26. @The Last Real Calvinist
    I'm utterly shocked that the NYT hasn't opened up the comments section on that article.

    They’d get ripped to shreds and they know it.

    • Replies: @Lex Corvus
    I think that was the (sarcastic) implication.
  27. Love the line….”There has been this issue of sexual harassment. And there is some evidence that the new refugees are somewhat involved in this.” Sort of like saying, “Say miss, if you don’t mind, I’m going to stick it in a little bit, if that’s ok with you, or not.”

  28. The point of the article is that is is NOT the immigrants at fault for any rise in crime but the inability of the white swedes to assimilate and the vestiges of racism that cause the new younger generation to lash out at an unjust society

    • Replies: @fish
    This is your "trolliest" comment yet!


    Well played.
  29. OT:

    NYT, Turkce Techno-Sociologist Gal Zeynep Tufekci (whose first and last name put together litterally means “eager to make friends and learn rifleman”) claims how Sailer had it all totally wrong because in America Deep State does not arbitrary obduct or kill opponents…yet(?):

    http://technosociology.org/?page_id=963

    Discuss!

  30. Roll Over, Michael Barone ???

    Reminds me I meant to post something about Putnam’s Bowling Alone on the “diverse people are better” thread.

  31. res says:
    @Twinkie
    I went a few rounds with Mr. Unz in the past over the American crime data (compiled by the pro-immigration Migration Policy Institute, I think), which indicate that while foreign-born Mexicans commit slightly lower rates of crimes than American-born whites, American-born Mexicans commit much higher rates of crime (something like 7 times the foreign-born Mexican rate).

    That was also the case with American-born Asians, that is, American-born Asians commit around 3 times the crime rate of the foreign-born Asians, but because the former is a tiny fraction of the rate of American-born whites, the latter still had lower crime rates than native whites.

    In any case, this doesn't bode well for assimilation of the descendants of Hispanic immigrants in the U.S. It apparently also doesn't bode well for their Muslim counterparts in Western Europe.

    American-born Asians commit around 3 times the crime rate of the foreign-born Asians, but because the former is a tiny fraction of the rate of American-born whites, the latter still had lower crime rates than native whites

    It is easy not to be too bothered by that since it is easily explained by assimilating towards the mean of the culture around them which seems understandable (if not desirable in this particular instance). The explosion from near comparable to multiples of the white rate is much less forgivable IMHO. Though perhaps explained by assimilating towards the mean of another culture in the US.

  32. The first generation works hard; the second has all the hallmarks of the black underclass – high school dropout, illegitimate teen pregnancy, drug use, gangs, etc.

    We already have a black underclass; why are we importing another? I do not remember voting on this.

  33. This isn’t surprising. The immigrants themselves remember their horrible home country and might even feel kindly towards their adopted homeland.

    Their children have no knowledge of what it was like in their ancestral homeland. Once a toxic subculture builds up, they easily join it.

    The question is: are ALL immigrants subject to this? I mean, why does the toxic subculture build in the first place?

    I don’t think ALL immigrants are subject to this. I’m a granddaughter of immigrants (from the UK) myself.

    But the article does not go past noting that migrants themselves aren’t the problem.

    Not very hard hitting reporting by NYT.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The question is: are ALL immigrants subject to this? I mean, why does the toxic subculture build in the first place?
     
    The immigrants are not the problem; they are a symptom of the problem. The problem is the Leftists.
  34. @Rob McX
    I suppose a compromise solution might be sterilisation as a condition of immigrating to Sweden, but then again, what's the point in submerging the country in a mudslide of vibrants if they don't outbreed and replace the native population?

    Sweden used to forcibly sterilize people so it wouldn’t be anything new. I’m afraid we stopped doing it 40 years ago though so I’m not sure there are many doctors left with any experience.

    Regarding the topic here it is true that recent immigrants aren’t the reason for the recent crime wave(and even that should be compared to your own US state…) and it’s actually annoying to read Breitbart, Mail or the comments section here and find comments suggesting this.

    The Swedish(and German) problems have been brewing for a long, long time and what has changed is really that the native population have had enough. This is why so much information is out there these days.

    The problems are now big enough to be noticed and not coincidentally an anti-immigrant party is growing in the polls(and elections) fast.

    • Replies: @Opinionator

    Regarding the topic here it is true that recent immigrants aren’t the reason for the recent crime wave(and even that should be compared to your own US state…) and it’s actually annoying to read Breitbart, Mail or the comments section here and find comments suggesting this.
     
    On one hand you suggest immigrant crime is not a problem. (See block quote.). On the other you say that the problem is big enough now to be noticed and that Europeans are fed up. Please clarify.
    , @Corvinus
    "Regarding the topic here it is true that recent immigrants aren’t the reason for the recent crime wave(and even that should be compared to your own US state…)"

    A measured and detailed account here on the situation in Sweden.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445237/sweden-crime-rates-statistics-immigration-trump-fox-news

    Amazing how some Americans get their knickers in a twist about another country's "problem". I thought America came first.
  35. @Twinkie
    I went a few rounds with Mr. Unz in the past over the American crime data (compiled by the pro-immigration Migration Policy Institute, I think), which indicate that while foreign-born Mexicans commit slightly lower rates of crimes than American-born whites, American-born Mexicans commit much higher rates of crime (something like 7 times the foreign-born Mexican rate).

    That was also the case with American-born Asians, that is, American-born Asians commit around 3 times the crime rate of the foreign-born Asians, but because the former is a tiny fraction of the rate of American-born whites, the latter still had lower crime rates than native whites.

    In any case, this doesn't bode well for assimilation of the descendants of Hispanic immigrants in the U.S. It apparently also doesn't bode well for their Muslim counterparts in Western Europe.

    I went a few rounds with Mr. Unz in the past over the American crime data (compiled by the pro-immigration Migration Policy Institute, I think), which indicate that while foreign-born Mexicans commit slightly lower rates of crimes than American-born whites, American-born Mexicans commit much higher rates of crime (something like 7 times the foreign-born Mexican rate).

    My experience in classrooms was that the behavior of children of recent Hispanic immigrants, be they legal or illegal, tended to be better than children of US-born Hispanics, and light years better than black children. There was an exception: Salvadoreans, which I attribute to the effects of the civil war there. For example, there were many who had missed years of schooling, meaning that there were 16 year old Salvadoreans in 7th grade- not an indicator for good behavior.

  36. @Ed
    This bizarre thinking is dominant among US journalists. They'll dismiss claims that immigrants bring terrorism because the actual immigrants don't commit them. Their sons & daughters are American.

    They view birthplace as key as if merely being born to a place automatically attaches one to place any notion of ethnic ties or loyalty is incomprehensible to them. They also think jus soli citizenship is global and the standard.

    An example of the “magic dirt birthplace” theory:

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Meanwhile in South Africa ... Uh, never mind about that. Rainbow Nation! Rainbow Nation!
  37. “S0, stop worrying about what immigrants will do over the next 5 or 10 years. Worry instead about what their descendants will do over the next 50 or 100 years. Don’t you feel better already?”

    Now that is Liberal thinking.

  38. I hate that line of argument. I see it every time some random Mohammed goes on a killing spree: “But he was BORN and raised here! He’s a citizen! You can’t blame immigrants!”

    Right. Because people are interchangeable widgets, and are mere pawns of larger historical forces. If we’d kept our pre-1965 immigration laws in place, the Pulse nightclub in Orlando would still have been shot up by a lunatic, except it would have been a blond Haven Monahan type. The fact that a crazed Muslim did the deed was just a statistical fluke, because being “born here” made him as American as a Norman Rockwell painting. Immigration had absolutely no bearing on it whatsoever.

    That’s essentially what they’re claiming, right?

    • Replies: @Federalist
    These are the "homegrown terrorists" we keep hearing about. I wish that we would stop growing them here.
  39. The Answer To Mass Immigration Is Mass Expulsion

  40. Maz says:

    As Tino Sanandaji has pointed out, the Swedish government refuses to publish crime statistics disaggregated by immigration status (even though the data are available), so the claim that recent immigrants aren’t committing a lot of crimes is based on no data.

    However, there’s data from victim surveys which indicate that the rate of sexual crime victimization for women has doubled between 2005 and 2015 in Sweden (the dotted line in the graph is women; the definition of sexual crime hasn’t changed over time).

  41. If the NY Times is correct, what conclusions should be drawn? What should the Swedes do about ALL immigration of Muslims?

  42. “But he was BORN and raised here! He’s a citizen! You can’t blame immigrants!”

    This is also essentially the reason why discussions about mass migration in polite circles mostly never really get anywhere.

    Clannish migrants might be ferociously promoting their own racial and tribal interests but we all have to pretend that ‘white flight’ is mysterious but something that can surely be resolved by better social management.

    (David Goodhart’s twitter feed is a superb example of someone who appears to know with painful clarity what is going on but feels obliged to gently nudge the Overton window wider with one small observation at a time.)

    • Replies: @Federalist
    I hate the term "white flight". Talk about blaming the victim.
    , @Frau Katze
    Thanks for the tip on the writer. I just read his recent article at FT. Good comments too.

    At least FT and WSJ allow comments on all articles.
  43. @Twinkie
    I went a few rounds with Mr. Unz in the past over the American crime data (compiled by the pro-immigration Migration Policy Institute, I think), which indicate that while foreign-born Mexicans commit slightly lower rates of crimes than American-born whites, American-born Mexicans commit much higher rates of crime (something like 7 times the foreign-born Mexican rate).

    That was also the case with American-born Asians, that is, American-born Asians commit around 3 times the crime rate of the foreign-born Asians, but because the former is a tiny fraction of the rate of American-born whites, the latter still had lower crime rates than native whites.

    In any case, this doesn't bode well for assimilation of the descendants of Hispanic immigrants in the U.S. It apparently also doesn't bode well for their Muslim counterparts in Western Europe.

    The North African migration to France is a large scale social experiment. Now there’s Mme. Le Pen and then there – – was, as it seems today – – Francois Fillon – – trying to make sense of the outcomes of the immigration-experiment in regarding not only the positive side of it.

    Scocial-science, social-psychology – not so much: There’s no real interest in what’s actually going on.
    As in the US, you find a debate about police-behaviour. Educate the police, make them civilized and polite, and: Erverything will be smoothed-out soon and the sun will be shining brigth – – and …! – Police-education, the latest craze!

    A few writers though, some of them from the Maghreb themselves like Kamel Daoud, oppose this kind of child-like analysis. Others are of French origin, sometimes ex-leftists like Alain Finkielkraut and Michael Onfray. And Michel Houellebecq.
    In the actual government, there’s secretary of Housing and Urban Development Kanner, who, as a socialist, is openly for immigration restrictions.

    Many hippsters like the immigrants, because they deliver cheap drugs.

  44. @Twinkie
    I went a few rounds with Mr. Unz in the past over the American crime data (compiled by the pro-immigration Migration Policy Institute, I think), which indicate that while foreign-born Mexicans commit slightly lower rates of crimes than American-born whites, American-born Mexicans commit much higher rates of crime (something like 7 times the foreign-born Mexican rate).

    That was also the case with American-born Asians, that is, American-born Asians commit around 3 times the crime rate of the foreign-born Asians, but because the former is a tiny fraction of the rate of American-born whites, the latter still had lower crime rates than native whites.

    In any case, this doesn't bode well for assimilation of the descendants of Hispanic immigrants in the U.S. It apparently also doesn't bode well for their Muslim counterparts in Western Europe.

    And yet look at it from the thoroughly indoctrinated Prog’s point of view.

    It has to be society’s fault. HBD is unpossible, so that leaves structural racism as the only explanation. Ergo, we must try harder, starting with importing yet more refugees to show how unracist we are.

    It’s a virtuous Catch-22 Dems have set-up for themselves to stuff the voter roles.

  45. I am reminded of what one of the now terribly politically-incorrect Injun fighters of the nineteenth century said about the Amerinds – “nits become lice.”

    Or perhaps even more apposite given their middle eastern origin, we might say that the immigrants are the camel’s nose under the tent – their offspring are the camel.

  46. @TheBoom
    This reminds me of the study that was conducted in Germany. They found that the longer a young Muslim's family had been in Germany, the more likely he was to be radicalized. So, you are pretty much guaranteed the problem will get worse over time due to individual behavior and a lot more of the Muslim individuals.

    So, you are pretty much guaranteed the problem will get worse over time

    also low IQ guarantees most of them will remain at the bottom of society blaming their situation on discrimination rather than low IQ

  47. PREVIOUS immigrant groups typically saw progress with each passing generation, but Hispanic numbers have a habit of stalling or even heading backwards. American-born children of Hispanic immigrants tend to be less healthy than their parents*, have higher divorce rates and go to jail more often. Jump from migrants’ children to their grandchildren, and studies have shown academic results slipping in the third generation. Conservatives fret about “downward assimilation” […]Steve Murdock of Rice University, a former boss of the US Census bureau, recently published a paper warning Texans that Hispanics are not getting enough advanced degrees and qualifications to replace highly educated whites retiring from their state’s workforce. By 2050, his study predicts, Hispanic workers will outnumber white ones in Texas by almost three to one, but without a change in education policy the state will be poorer and less competitive.

    See also http://www.unz.com/garellano/why-do-mexicans-spend-so-much-time-with-their-kids/

    http://www.unz.com/garellano/why-are-mexicans-close-to-their-families/

    Because in Mexico (or Afghanistan) the culture does the work of genetic adaptations for self control. So as the children of immigrants assimilate the culture of the US or Sweden, in which kids are left to it, they have less cultural resources to support them in making prudent choices, because permissive US culture is not what produces American society: It’s the US population’s genetic adaptations for self-control that produce American society. But in many of the countries where immigrants to Sweden come from the genetic adaptations to orderly behaviour are not there, so the culture has to be far more punitive.

    http://www.unz.com/pfrost/montreal-massacre-part-ii/
    Corporal punishment, on the basis of cases brought to the notice of hospital authorities:

    – it is directed much more at boys than at girls, by a ratio of almost 3 to 1

    – it is inflicted (in order of importance) by schoolteachers, parents, neighbors, and other relatives

    – it usually involves the use of blunt, non-cutting objects: a belt, a pipe, or a wire

    – it is directed (in order of importance) at the head, arms or legs, belly, and chest

    – the injuries (in order of importance) are multiple fractures, bruises, burns, scratches, and bites. In Algerian society, even today, the absolute authority of parents over their children is seldom called into question by adults (Assous, 2005)

    In Sweden, a generation of kids who’ve never been spanked – CNN.com.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    By 2050, his study predicts, Hispanic workers will outnumber white ones in Texas by almost three to one, but without a change in demographic policy the state will be poorer and less competitive.
     
    Fixed it.
    , @Frau Katze
    Excellent points about how much culture matters.

    The free-wheeling, highly individualistic culture of the European descendants is a really bad fit for other genetic groups.

    And, as Charles Murray points out, there is a white underclass that can't handle it either.
  48. Talented Tenth immigrants spawn Regression To Mean children?

    Who would have thought?

    Those offspring feel entitled as new Native Borns to take out on their host society all their conflicts with their parents and confusions about/frustrations with their mixed status and overall lower mean capacities?

    That’s unpossible!

    Romanticized views of parents’ former country turn into violent reaction against where they find themselves?

    Just so hard to believe!

    Advantage taken of their frustration, confusion, and anger?

    Can’t possibly happen!

    They just need more hugs and participation trophies, and we just need to change ourselves to encourage them to act the way we do, which is nice and accommodating, but to recognize that makes us racist, so where’s my wife’s burka already? Everybody just calm down and submit!

  49. @Tiny Duck
    The point of the article is that is is NOT the immigrants at fault for any rise in crime but the inability of the white swedes to assimilate and the vestiges of racism that cause the new younger generation to lash out at an unjust society

    This is your “trolliest” comment yet!

    Well played.

    • Replies: @Detective Club
    Say what you will but BIG DICK sure covers a lot of ground! I highly recommend the Alfred Hitchcock version of BIG DICK'S exciting life story :

    https://youtu.be/UHhsEYDg8GI
  50. @Mr. Blank
    I hate that line of argument. I see it every time some random Mohammed goes on a killing spree: "But he was BORN and raised here! He's a citizen! You can't blame immigrants!"

    Right. Because people are interchangeable widgets, and are mere pawns of larger historical forces. If we'd kept our pre-1965 immigration laws in place, the Pulse nightclub in Orlando would still have been shot up by a lunatic, except it would have been a blond Haven Monahan type. The fact that a crazed Muslim did the deed was just a statistical fluke, because being "born here" made him as American as a Norman Rockwell painting. Immigration had absolutely no bearing on it whatsoever.

    That's essentially what they're claiming, right?

    These are the “homegrown terrorists” we keep hearing about. I wish that we would stop growing them here.

  51. @Bill B.

    “But he was BORN and raised here! He’s a citizen! You can’t blame immigrants!”
     
    This is also essentially the reason why discussions about mass migration in polite circles mostly never really get anywhere.

    Clannish migrants might be ferociously promoting their own racial and tribal interests but we all have to pretend that 'white flight' is mysterious but something that can surely be resolved by better social management.

    (David Goodhart's twitter feed is a superb example of someone who appears to know with painful clarity what is going on but feels obliged to gently nudge the Overton window wider with one small observation at a time.)

    I hate the term “white flight”. Talk about blaming the victim.

    • Replies: @Bill B.

    I hate the term “white flight”. Talk about blaming the victim.
     
    Yes. The whites even get called racists and narrow-minded for not wanting to live in Little Karachi or New Lagos or Mostly Mogadishu.

    When predatory, hostile or alien cultures overrun open western communities withdrawal is often mere self-preservation.

    What is almost never pointed out in these discussions is that migrants almost invariably are backed by massive home populations of their fellow ethnics who provide continuous cultural nourishment and genetic support. Even if the second and third generations don't want to live there it provides a template for cultural confidence and self-belief.

    The whites ... not so much.
  52. @fish
    This is your "trolliest" comment yet!


    Well played.

    Say what you will but BIG DICK sure covers a lot of ground! I highly recommend the Alfred Hitchcock version of BIG DICK’S exciting life story :

  53. @Sean

    PREVIOUS immigrant groups typically saw progress with each passing generation, but Hispanic numbers have a habit of stalling or even heading backwards. American-born children of Hispanic immigrants tend to be less healthy than their parents*, have higher divorce rates and go to jail more often. Jump from migrants’ children to their grandchildren, and studies have shown academic results slipping in the third generation. Conservatives fret about “downward assimilation” [...]Steve Murdock of Rice University, a former boss of the US Census bureau, recently published a paper warning Texans that Hispanics are not getting enough advanced degrees and qualifications to replace highly educated whites retiring from their state’s workforce. By 2050, his study predicts, Hispanic workers will outnumber white ones in Texas by almost three to one, but without a change in education policy the state will be poorer and less competitive.
     
    See also http://www.unz.com/garellano/why-do-mexicans-spend-so-much-time-with-their-kids/

    http://www.unz.com/garellano/why-are-mexicans-close-to-their-families/

    Because in Mexico (or Afghanistan) the culture does the work of genetic adaptations for self control. So as the children of immigrants assimilate the culture of the US or Sweden, in which kids are left to it, they have less cultural resources to support them in making prudent choices, because permissive US culture is not what produces American society: It's the US population's genetic adaptations for self-control that produce American society. But in many of the countries where immigrants to Sweden come from the genetic adaptations to orderly behaviour are not there, so the culture has to be far more punitive.


    http://www.unz.com/pfrost/montreal-massacre-part-ii/
    Corporal punishment, on the basis of cases brought to the notice of hospital authorities:

    - it is directed much more at boys than at girls, by a ratio of almost 3 to 1

    - it is inflicted (in order of importance) by schoolteachers, parents, neighbors, and other relatives

    - it usually involves the use of blunt, non-cutting objects: a belt, a pipe, or a wire

    - it is directed (in order of importance) at the head, arms or legs, belly, and chest

    - the injuries (in order of importance) are multiple fractures, bruises, burns, scratches, and bites. In Algerian society, even today, the absolute authority of parents over their children is seldom called into question by adults (Assous, 2005)
     

    In Sweden, a generation of kids who've never been spanked - CNN.com.

    By 2050, his study predicts, Hispanic workers will outnumber white ones in Texas by almost three to one, but without a change in demographic policy the state will be poorer and less competitive.

    Fixed it.

  54. @Federalist
    I hate the term "white flight". Talk about blaming the victim.

    I hate the term “white flight”. Talk about blaming the victim.

    Yes. The whites even get called racists and narrow-minded for not wanting to live in Little Karachi or New Lagos or Mostly Mogadishu.

    When predatory, hostile or alien cultures overrun open western communities withdrawal is often mere self-preservation.

    What is almost never pointed out in these discussions is that migrants almost invariably are backed by massive home populations of their fellow ethnics who provide continuous cultural nourishment and genetic support. Even if the second and third generations don’t want to live there it provides a template for cultural confidence and self-belief.

    The whites … not so much.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    The BBC had a program on The Last White East-Enders or somesuch about the few remaining cockneys in a sea of Bangladeshis etc..

    This was presented (in subtle undertones) as something inevitably that unstoppable mass migration brings about that requires more propaganda and white tolerance to manage. But cockneys are cool so it was better than most BBC efforts.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3590156/The-whites-East-End-BBC-documentary-reveals-cockneys-endangered-species-London-borough-70-000-immigrants-moved-in.html

  55. @Bill B.

    I hate the term “white flight”. Talk about blaming the victim.
     
    Yes. The whites even get called racists and narrow-minded for not wanting to live in Little Karachi or New Lagos or Mostly Mogadishu.

    When predatory, hostile or alien cultures overrun open western communities withdrawal is often mere self-preservation.

    What is almost never pointed out in these discussions is that migrants almost invariably are backed by massive home populations of their fellow ethnics who provide continuous cultural nourishment and genetic support. Even if the second and third generations don't want to live there it provides a template for cultural confidence and self-belief.

    The whites ... not so much.

    The BBC had a program on The Last White East-Enders or somesuch about the few remaining cockneys in a sea of Bangladeshis etc..

    This was presented (in subtle undertones) as something inevitably that unstoppable mass migration brings about that requires more propaganda and white tolerance to manage. But cockneys are cool so it was better than most BBC efforts.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3590156/The-whites-East-End-BBC-documentary-reveals-cockneys-endangered-species-London-borough-70-000-immigrants-moved-in.html

  56. @Lurker
    Related: where they compare high value immigrants to low value native born. "See that racist, you're wrong, immigrants are actually better!"

    So, for example, college educated Polish immigrants are compared to native born black criminals. Because they know that 'immigrant' summons up mental images of non-whites while 'native born' implies white. They're lying and they know it.

    They’re lying and they know it.

    Once you’ve convinced yourself there is no such thing as truth, you can’t even manage so much as a lie. It’s all bullshit.

    http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7929.html

  57. @Frau Katze
    This isn't surprising. The immigrants themselves remember their horrible home country and might even feel kindly towards their adopted homeland.

    Their children have no knowledge of what it was like in their ancestral homeland. Once a toxic subculture builds up, they easily join it.

    The question is: are ALL immigrants subject to this? I mean, why does the toxic subculture build in the first place?

    I don't think ALL immigrants are subject to this. I'm a granddaughter of immigrants (from the UK) myself.

    But the article does not go past noting that migrants themselves aren't the problem.

    Not very hard hitting reporting by NYT.

    The question is: are ALL immigrants subject to this? I mean, why does the toxic subculture build in the first place?

    The immigrants are not the problem; they are a symptom of the problem. The problem is the Leftists.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    The Left abets it. A large group dependent on the government suits the Left: the groups will always vote for them.

    The first immigrants (the ones that were shut out in the 1920s) had no welfare to be dependent on. No goodies at all. It wasn't an easy life and a surprising number returned to Europe.
  58. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The question is: are ALL immigrants subject to this? I mean, why does the toxic subculture build in the first place?
     
    The immigrants are not the problem; they are a symptom of the problem. The problem is the Leftists.

    The Left abets it. A large group dependent on the government suits the Left: the groups will always vote for them.

    The first immigrants (the ones that were shut out in the 1920s) had no welfare to be dependent on. No goodies at all. It wasn’t an easy life and a surprising number returned to Europe.

  59. @berserker
    Is that all immigrants or only those who are devout followers of the peaceful Mo?
    - Vikas Bajaj = Indian

    I’ve worked with Chinese descended from the early batch let into BC to work on building the railway across BC and over the Rockies.

    They do not seem badly behaved at all. I have no stats, but that’s my impression. In fact, because there weren’t that many of them, they appear to be very well assimilated.

    But the huge wave now arriving may bring some corruption. Remember the Kurdish economist saying assimilation was a function of the percentage of the population?

    But even the recent ones don’t seem to have the same innate violence we see in some other groups.

    I think there is a Muslim problem though. If a Muslim decides he’s not going to assimilate he has an entire body of “sacred” writing telling him that it’s his job to convert the rest of the population to Islam.

    If he tends towards violence, those same writings tell him violence is OK, possibly even required.

    I would say: no more Muslim immigrants at all until the relevant authorities denounce violent jihad. (They won’t).

  60. @Bill B.

    “But he was BORN and raised here! He’s a citizen! You can’t blame immigrants!”
     
    This is also essentially the reason why discussions about mass migration in polite circles mostly never really get anywhere.

    Clannish migrants might be ferociously promoting their own racial and tribal interests but we all have to pretend that 'white flight' is mysterious but something that can surely be resolved by better social management.

    (David Goodhart's twitter feed is a superb example of someone who appears to know with painful clarity what is going on but feels obliged to gently nudge the Overton window wider with one small observation at a time.)

    Thanks for the tip on the writer. I just read his recent article at FT. Good comments too.

    At least FT and WSJ allow comments on all articles.

  61. @Fredrik
    Sweden used to forcibly sterilize people so it wouldn't be anything new. I'm afraid we stopped doing it 40 years ago though so I'm not sure there are many doctors left with any experience.

    Regarding the topic here it is true that recent immigrants aren't the reason for the recent crime wave(and even that should be compared to your own US state...) and it's actually annoying to read Breitbart, Mail or the comments section here and find comments suggesting this.

    The Swedish(and German) problems have been brewing for a long, long time and what has changed is really that the native population have had enough. This is why so much information is out there these days.

    The problems are now big enough to be noticed and not coincidentally an anti-immigrant party is growing in the polls(and elections) fast.

    Regarding the topic here it is true that recent immigrants aren’t the reason for the recent crime wave(and even that should be compared to your own US state…) and it’s actually annoying to read Breitbart, Mail or the comments section here and find comments suggesting this.

    On one hand you suggest immigrant crime is not a problem. (See block quote.). On the other you say that the problem is big enough now to be noticed and that Europeans are fed up. Please clarify.

    • Replies: @Not Fredrik
    It's not complicated. He talks about 1st gen migrants. They are not, for the most part, criminal. Although there has been problems with sexual assaults. But in terms of killing, mugging, assaults etc, nothing of note.

    But that is because most of them are locked up in asylum centers and know that if they fuck up, then they don't get asylum.

    His point was about the 2nd generation. Your stupidity lies in not understanding the difference between 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation. Crime typically goes up by the 2nd generation and then stays there.
  62. @Sean

    PREVIOUS immigrant groups typically saw progress with each passing generation, but Hispanic numbers have a habit of stalling or even heading backwards. American-born children of Hispanic immigrants tend to be less healthy than their parents*, have higher divorce rates and go to jail more often. Jump from migrants’ children to their grandchildren, and studies have shown academic results slipping in the third generation. Conservatives fret about “downward assimilation” [...]Steve Murdock of Rice University, a former boss of the US Census bureau, recently published a paper warning Texans that Hispanics are not getting enough advanced degrees and qualifications to replace highly educated whites retiring from their state’s workforce. By 2050, his study predicts, Hispanic workers will outnumber white ones in Texas by almost three to one, but without a change in education policy the state will be poorer and less competitive.
     
    See also http://www.unz.com/garellano/why-do-mexicans-spend-so-much-time-with-their-kids/

    http://www.unz.com/garellano/why-are-mexicans-close-to-their-families/

    Because in Mexico (or Afghanistan) the culture does the work of genetic adaptations for self control. So as the children of immigrants assimilate the culture of the US or Sweden, in which kids are left to it, they have less cultural resources to support them in making prudent choices, because permissive US culture is not what produces American society: It's the US population's genetic adaptations for self-control that produce American society. But in many of the countries where immigrants to Sweden come from the genetic adaptations to orderly behaviour are not there, so the culture has to be far more punitive.


    http://www.unz.com/pfrost/montreal-massacre-part-ii/
    Corporal punishment, on the basis of cases brought to the notice of hospital authorities:

    - it is directed much more at boys than at girls, by a ratio of almost 3 to 1

    - it is inflicted (in order of importance) by schoolteachers, parents, neighbors, and other relatives

    - it usually involves the use of blunt, non-cutting objects: a belt, a pipe, or a wire

    - it is directed (in order of importance) at the head, arms or legs, belly, and chest

    - the injuries (in order of importance) are multiple fractures, bruises, burns, scratches, and bites. In Algerian society, even today, the absolute authority of parents over their children is seldom called into question by adults (Assous, 2005)
     

    In Sweden, a generation of kids who've never been spanked - CNN.com.

    Excellent points about how much culture matters.

    The free-wheeling, highly individualistic culture of the European descendants is a really bad fit for other genetic groups.

    And, as Charles Murray points out, there is a white underclass that can’t handle it either.

    • Replies: @Not Frederika
    Don't spread FUD by talking about Muh Kulcha. It's genetics. The white working class in the US has been left to fend for themselves. If they lived in Northern Europe, the social dysfunction would be much lower. That's because if you live in hyperdiverse areas with little to no social support from the government, then you are naked in the dark and self-harm is inevitable.

    Also, if you look at the PISA reports, white Americans would be placed among the top European nations if they were an own seperate group. There is a lot of paranoia about the white working-class from idiot republicans. Murray is a bright guy, but he has a lot of libertarian sludge in his mind.

    Take the out-of-wedlock birth rate. In the US, it's always pooh-pooh'd, yet Iceland has a higher out-of-wedlock birthrate than even Hispanics in the US have, and does Iceland look like a dysfunctional society to you? Those kinds of things are what libertarians like Murray obsess over. It's stupid. And he can and should know better. As should you.
  63. LKM says:

    In Finland, they actually publish these stats somewhat and the results aren’t good:

    Police had identified the assailant in nearly 2 400 of sex-related crimes. In 29 percent of cases the suspected offender was a foreign national, compared to 18.5 percent in 2015.

    http://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/police_sex_crimes_on_the_rise/9429490

    In 2015 foreign nationals made up 4.2% of Finland’s population.
    http://www.stat.fi/tup/suoluk/suoluk_vaesto_en.html

    In 2016, the proportion of foreign nationals in Finnish prisons was 17.2%.
    http://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/rise_in_foreign_inmates_increases_need_for_digital_leap_in_prisons/9475520

    From what I understand, you have to do something truly awful to go to prison in Finland. Also, I somewhat doubt that it’s the Estonians, who make up the single largest group of foreigners in Finland, that are behind this crime wave.

  64. @Opinionator

    Regarding the topic here it is true that recent immigrants aren’t the reason for the recent crime wave(and even that should be compared to your own US state…) and it’s actually annoying to read Breitbart, Mail or the comments section here and find comments suggesting this.
     
    On one hand you suggest immigrant crime is not a problem. (See block quote.). On the other you say that the problem is big enough now to be noticed and that Europeans are fed up. Please clarify.

    It’s not complicated. He talks about 1st gen migrants. They are not, for the most part, criminal. Although there has been problems with sexual assaults. But in terms of killing, mugging, assaults etc, nothing of note.

    But that is because most of them are locked up in asylum centers and know that if they fuck up, then they don’t get asylum.

    His point was about the 2nd generation. Your stupidity lies in not understanding the difference between 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation. Crime typically goes up by the 2nd generation and then stays there.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    By the 2nd generation, they are Swedes and Germans, not immigrants.
  65. @Frau Katze
    Excellent points about how much culture matters.

    The free-wheeling, highly individualistic culture of the European descendants is a really bad fit for other genetic groups.

    And, as Charles Murray points out, there is a white underclass that can't handle it either.

    Don’t spread FUD by talking about Muh Kulcha. It’s genetics. The white working class in the US has been left to fend for themselves. If they lived in Northern Europe, the social dysfunction would be much lower. That’s because if you live in hyperdiverse areas with little to no social support from the government, then you are naked in the dark and self-harm is inevitable.

    Also, if you look at the PISA reports, white Americans would be placed among the top European nations if they were an own seperate group. There is a lot of paranoia about the white working-class from idiot republicans. Murray is a bright guy, but he has a lot of libertarian sludge in his mind.

    Take the out-of-wedlock birth rate. In the US, it’s always pooh-pooh’d, yet Iceland has a higher out-of-wedlock birthrate than even Hispanics in the US have, and does Iceland look like a dysfunctional society to you? Those kinds of things are what libertarians like Murray obsess over. It’s stupid. And he can and should know better. As should you.

  66. @Not Fredrik
    It's not complicated. He talks about 1st gen migrants. They are not, for the most part, criminal. Although there has been problems with sexual assaults. But in terms of killing, mugging, assaults etc, nothing of note.

    But that is because most of them are locked up in asylum centers and know that if they fuck up, then they don't get asylum.

    His point was about the 2nd generation. Your stupidity lies in not understanding the difference between 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation. Crime typically goes up by the 2nd generation and then stays there.

    By the 2nd generation, they are Swedes and Germans, not immigrants.

  67. They are not Swedes. Only Swedes are Swedes. QED.

  68. After assaulting a 12-year-old girl in Saranac Lake, New York, this Kashmir Muslim athlete magically became a mere Indian athlete.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    The child-molester's coach, one Abid Khan, refers to "a lady visa officer at the US [sic] embassy in Delhi" in his whining about the initial denial of entry.

    Who but a magic Mohammedan gets a pass for speaking of "lady" this and that profession in the Current Year, especially in a context suggesting her gender amplifies his contempt and disappointment in her decision. It's usage straight out of one of Bob Hope's old movies – but without Hope's innocence and charm.

  69. @a reader
    After assaulting a 12-year-old girl in Saranac Lake, New York, this Kashmir Muslim athlete magically became a mere Indian athlete.

    The child-molester’s coach, one Abid Khan, refers to “a lady visa officer at the US [sic] embassy in Delhi” in his whining about the initial denial of entry.

    Who but a magic Mohammedan gets a pass for speaking of “lady” this and that profession in the Current Year, especially in a context suggesting her gender amplifies his contempt and disappointment in her decision. It’s usage straight out of one of Bob Hope’s old movies – but without Hope’s innocence and charm.

  70. @Fredrik
    Sweden used to forcibly sterilize people so it wouldn't be anything new. I'm afraid we stopped doing it 40 years ago though so I'm not sure there are many doctors left with any experience.

    Regarding the topic here it is true that recent immigrants aren't the reason for the recent crime wave(and even that should be compared to your own US state...) and it's actually annoying to read Breitbart, Mail or the comments section here and find comments suggesting this.

    The Swedish(and German) problems have been brewing for a long, long time and what has changed is really that the native population have had enough. This is why so much information is out there these days.

    The problems are now big enough to be noticed and not coincidentally an anti-immigrant party is growing in the polls(and elections) fast.

    “Regarding the topic here it is true that recent immigrants aren’t the reason for the recent crime wave(and even that should be compared to your own US state…)”

    A measured and detailed account here on the situation in Sweden.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445237/sweden-crime-rates-statistics-immigration-trump-fox-news

    Amazing how some Americans get their knickers in a twist about another country’s “problem”. I thought America came first.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Some of us pay attention to the canary in the coal mine.
  71. There’s a lot of bad karma going down here in Sweden.

    The bad karma was from all those years pretty Swedish model types, married to Black UN secretary Generals bashed White Afrikaners in White ruled South Africa.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Sweden has a recent history (post-WW2) of meddling in the south of Africa, posturing with anti-Apartheid of course but also supporting various "liberation movements" like ANC. Nothing good ever came from it, as far as I'm aware. (Though it should be said it occasionally leads to arms sales. So there's that.)

    Nowadays you seldom hear anything about South Africa and how it's sliding into the abyss. I think public interest effectively died with the sacred Mandela.
  72. @Pericles

    There is a huge debate in Sweden about immigration and crime.

     

    Yeah, there suuure is.

    Henrik Emilsson, an international immigration researcher at Malmö University.

     

    I wonder if he was blinking in morse code during the interview.

    Here is an illuminating documentary about the quality of debate that is taking place in Sweden. It is about an hour long: https://vimeo.com/204969267

  73. @RW
    They'd get ripped to shreds and they know it.

    I think that was the (sarcastic) implication.

  74. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    There is so much denial in Sweden. Why? Because the power of taboo.

    Diversity is no longer an idea or even an ideal. It is holy icon. An idol to be worshiped.
    When people say ‘diversity is our strength’, it is not a suggestion or conjecture. It is a mantra, an article of faith. Also, any notion of ‘white identity’ is deemed quasi-satanic; therefore, whites are worse if they are among whites preserving whiteness, and whites are better if they are among non-whites and becoming less white.

    This is an article of faith, a neo-religion.

    So, all this diversity is supposed to make Sweden better. But it’s not.
    Now, occam’s razor would say it is because the migrants, Africans and Muslims, are problematic; they are different, don’t respect Sweden, have incompatible cultural values, and have different genetics. Also, they come from Mean Cultures that don’t see niceness as virtue but as weakness to bully and exploit. So, the more the Swedes act ‘nice’, the more Africans and Muslims act un-nice. It’s like a woman acting nice to an abusive man will be beaten more.
    Also, they come from cultures where men are still men. So, when they see Swedish men being servile to Swedish women, they feel contempt. They see white ‘cucks’. Also, they don’t like to be told what to do or think by women, especially white women who either dress like whores or function as sexless bureaucrats. So, they commit sex crimes against the ‘bitches’.
    But then, due to cult of ‘white guilt’ and ‘white atonement’, even white feminists do little about non-white violence and crime(even against women), and such spinelessness makes the Africans and Muslims even more dismissive of white culture and power.

    None of this can be discussed honestly because it would expose truths about differences among races, cultures, and sexes. Sweden has done most to castrate its men but has also done most to bring in masculine men who despise castrated men. And they hate soulless female commissars who, btw, do most to castrate white men and do most to excuse virility of non-white men.

    Meanwhile, since Diversity is Holy, the non-white mobs and thugs are never blamed for anything. (There is also the element of pride and saving face. Swedish elites have branded themselves as mavens of the humanitarian super-power. They love to pat themselves on the back and show off to the whole world how caring and wonderful they are — even though no one around the world cares about them. So, the elites are loathe to admit that they’ve been just insufferable holier-than-thou pompous asses. ‘White guilt’ is inextricably tied with ‘white pride’ of ‘good whites’ who atone and hug the world. They don’t want to lose face and desperately carry on with the charade via control of media and education.)

    Imagine a room and some thug inside it. Suppose the room is nice, but it get worse and worse because the thug is messing things up and acting wild. But the mantra is ‘thuggery in our strength’. So, day after day, the thug messes up the room more, BUT no one can blame the thug since the mantra says thuggery is holy. So, what is to be blamed for the mess? Maybe it’s the bed. Or bed sheets. Maybe it’s the light bulb. Maybe it’s the desk. Maybe it’s the chair. Look, the TV is busted. Maybe the TV attacked the thug and got busted. The chair is broken. Maybe the chair attacked the thug, and thug reacted in defense and fought back. Maybe the window needs to be replaced. Maybe it’s the painting on the wall. Maybe a new coat of paint will do the trick. Meanwhile, it’s never the thug-in-the-room, of course. After all, thuggery is our strength, thuggery is our strength, thuggery is our strength. If there may be something wrong with the thug, it must be due to the environment. Yeah, the room isn’t nice enough for him. That is why he flies off the handle sometimes. The room doesn’t have the latest computer and video game for him. It doesn’t have his favorite beer in the fridge.
    It’s like American theory of education and blacks. Why are black students messing up so much? It can never be the fault of students or their parents. No, it must everything and everyone BUT them.

    In a dictatorship, the tyrant causes the biggest problems but gets the least blame because it is taboo to speak honestly about the tyrannical abuse of power.
    Democracies are free and don’t have dictators. So, how come Sweden turned out this way? Why is it a kind of tyranny?
    Because ideas can gain dictatorial power. It’s like a cult. While the cult leader is alive, he is the dictator. But even after he dies and when cultists are no longer under his thumb, they are still mentally controlled by the Cult. Sweden has i-dictatorship or idea-dictatorship.
    I-dictator of the West is the mantra ‘diversity is our strength’. Even free people can become unfree in the mind, chained to an idea than being free and rationale to ponder it for acceptance or rejection. An imprisoned mind is under lock and key of the Taboo.
    The mind must be freed from taboos before anything is possible.

    Of course, unfree minds in a free society will eventually turn society unfree as well.
    If people in a free society believe that opposing views should be shut down because such is ‘hateful’, they will push for laws that penalize freedom of speech. When there are ENOUGH Of such people as voters, legislators, and judges, a once free society will become unfree and tyrannical. Not because some tyrant took over but because ideas turned people away from freedom and truth.

  75. Japan : they have got it about right …

  76. @jimmyriddle
    "There has been this issue of sexual harassment. And there is some evidence that the new refugees are somewhat involved in this. But there are no official statistics on it."

    Because, they stopped recording the data when the results became embarrassing.

    Barry the Kenyan stopped releasing figures for inter-racial rape.

  77. @Corvinus
    "Regarding the topic here it is true that recent immigrants aren’t the reason for the recent crime wave(and even that should be compared to your own US state…)"

    A measured and detailed account here on the situation in Sweden.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445237/sweden-crime-rates-statistics-immigration-trump-fox-news

    Amazing how some Americans get their knickers in a twist about another country's "problem". I thought America came first.

    Some of us pay attention to the canary in the coal mine.

  78. @Glaivester
    An example of the "magic dirt birthplace" theory:

    https://twitter.com/SKZCartoons/status/837681217575211011

    Meanwhile in South Africa … Uh, never mind about that. Rainbow Nation! Rainbow Nation!

  79. @jakc ryan
    There's a lot of bad karma going down here in Sweden.

    The bad karma was from all those years pretty Swedish model types, married to Black UN secretary Generals bashed White Afrikaners in White ruled South Africa.

    Sweden has a recent history (post-WW2) of meddling in the south of Africa, posturing with anti-Apartheid of course but also supporting various “liberation movements” like ANC. Nothing good ever came from it, as far as I’m aware. (Though it should be said it occasionally leads to arms sales. So there’s that.)

    Nowadays you seldom hear anything about South Africa and how it’s sliding into the abyss. I think public interest effectively died with the sacred Mandela.

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