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NYT: Deep State: A) Doesn't Exist, B) Has Hurt Feelings from Trump's Attacks, and C) Will Wreak Terrible Vengeance Upon Voters' Choices

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What Happens When You Fight a ‘Deep State’ That Doesn’t Exist
The Interpreter
By MAX FISHER MARCH 10, 2017

The Trump administration, in its fight against the “deep state,” could risk exacerbating the very problems it has pinned on shadowy bureaucratic forces: leaking, internal conflict and the politicization of institutions like intelligence agencies.

American institutions do not resemble the powerful deep states of countries like Egypt or Pakistan, experts say. Nor do individual leaks, a number of which have come from President Trump’s own team, amount to a conspiracy.

The diagnosis of a “deep state,” those experts say, has the problem backward.

Mr. Trump has put institutions under enormous stress. He has attacked them publicly, implied he would reject intelligence findings that cast his election in a poor light, hobbled agencies by failing to fill critical positions and cut off bodies like the National Security Council from shaping policy.

That has forced civil servants into an impossible dilemma: acquiesce, allowing their institution to be sidelined, or mount a defense, for example through leaks that counter Mr. Trump’s accusations or pressure him into restoring normal policy-maker practices.

Those defensive acts have deepened perceptions in the Trump administration of a “deep state” that must be rooted out. …

“You get the feeling that Trump doesn’t understand that working invisibly through the bureaucracy would strengthen him,” she said.

 
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  1. YWell I suppose invisibility is always an advantage. Perhaps the New York Times is suggesting Trump become Doctor Strange, President of the Free World. The cape would suit him.

    And we know he likes to goose women now and then. Certainly would free him up there. All good, I say.

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    And we know he likes to goose women now and then.
     
    No, that's Bill Clinton.

    Grab them by the pussy was a metaphor for female attraction for powerful men.
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  2. The same logic applied to foreign Muslims…any effort to vet them will send them into the arms of ISIS, but how dare you insinuate that they pose a threat.

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    • Replies: @O'Really
    I was just going to say the same thing. Bureacrats cast as colonized victims who can only react -- agency only exists on the side of the White Imperialist (Trump).
    , @Erik Sieven
    It is also the same with mass immigration from Subsaharan Africa:
    a) it doesn´t exist, there are no masses
    b) the masses are friendly and it is their right to enter Europe
    c) you cannot resist
    d) if you resist the masses will crash you and Europe is doomed
  3. At least they’re safe from any hobgoblins of consistency, foolish or otherwise. They’ve got the little minds part well covered.

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    They’ve got the little minds part well covered.
     
    Little minds mock those malefactors in contempt, secure in the knowledge that they have both more intellectual resources to draw upon, and greater facility in deploying those resources to achieve favorable outcomes, than those NYT referents.

    We are plagued by idiots, imbeciles and morons - and those three categories, without exception, span the slate of writers that is the editorial board of the New York Times.

    Okay, David Brooks is an exception - who else can make idiocy look like a step up.
  4. @San Fernando Curt
    YWell I suppose invisibility is always an advantage. Perhaps the New York Times is suggesting Trump become Doctor Strange, President of the Free World. The cape would suit him.

    And we know he likes to goose women now and then. Certainly would free him up there. All good, I say.

    And we know he likes to goose women now and then.

    No, that’s Bill Clinton.

    Grab them by the pussy was a metaphor for female attraction for powerful men.

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Thanks. I'm sick of explaining that "grab" comment--that this is what a certain kind of woman tries to attract when she is drawn to circulate among powerful or attractive men in highly sexualized/energized, chemically blurred social situations. (Like college.)

    Women of that sexual politicking ilk even ask for or admit this.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2017/1/22/1d69618eaa7043e1a4f9bb3cec17d4f1_18.jpg

    http://images.complex.com/complex/images/c_crop,h_441,w_588,x_2,y_2/c_fill,g_center,w_1200/fl_lossy,pg_1,q_auto/cmumufbbodjcn1yrqqjh/feminist-protest-trump-tower

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.forward.com/images/cropped/protesting-lewd-trump-1476121416.jpg

    There were many more, but these were the least nausea-inducing I could find.

    Smacks my gob that the reaction of all those women to the election to the presidency of a successful alpha male with successful and attractive offspring and a lapful of grandchildren (surely the first in their lifetimes)...

    ...was to sexually objectify themselves and demand his attention.

    The gob-smacking part isn't that a certain kind of woman does this.

    It's that they utterly lack the ability to reflect on their behavior and drives. They celebrate it. Then gaslight anyone who notices. They claim they're being noble, not degenerate.

    Reminds me of the black harpies in Nicholas Christakis's living room (by his invitation, for gods' sake) in New Haven, after the 2014 Halloween costume crisis, shrieking at him that he didn't pay them enough attention.

    For which he apologized as though these harridans were his wives, not his actual wife, the woman they had singled out for mobbing. Which of course is the root of a lot of these problems.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/11/09/hundreds-march-at-yale-in-solidarity-with-minority-students/?utm_term=.3257670d8046

  5. This sounds very like the old joke: “Jews don’t control Hollywood and we will destroy you if you say otherwise.”

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    There's some chap in the UK who made a speech to a (presumably rightish) group saying words to the effect of "we must oppose Jewish control of the UK". The Crown Prosecution service decided it wasn't illegal to say this, but has now been persuaded to think again, according to BBC news.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39198044

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkish-president-erdogan-calls-netherlands-nazi-remnants-fascists-112359927.html

    This is turning into ‘you got the cooties’ game.

    Some say Erdogan is ‘nazi’, and now Erdogan say Dutch are ‘nazis’.

    Who isn’t an ‘nazi’?

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  7. @Tom-in-VA
    The same logic applied to foreign Muslims...any effort to vet them will send them into the arms of ISIS, but how dare you insinuate that they pose a threat.

    I was just going to say the same thing. Bureacrats cast as colonized victims who can only react — agency only exists on the side of the White Imperialist (Trump).

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  8. “Deep State” doesn’t exist the same way that “race” doesn’t exist, because nothing is more inconvenient than the obvious.

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  9. I appreciate your work debunking the NYT Steve. But it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. Right?

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  10. ‘ “You get the feeling that Trump doesn’t understand that working invisibly through the bureaucracy would strengthen him,” she said. ‘

    Huh?

    Soooo… Trump should put on his invisibility cloak and become a part of the Deep State which doesn’t exist?

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  11. The Deep State wouldn’t put up so much of a fuss if Trump just let them run the show.

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  12. “You get the feeling that Trump doesn’t understand that working invisibly through the bureaucracy would strengthen him,” she said

    The Deep State is our greatest strength!

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  13. @Desiderius
    At least they're safe from any hobgoblins of consistency, foolish or otherwise. They've got the little minds part well covered.

    They’ve got the little minds part well covered.

    Little minds mock those malefactors in contempt, secure in the knowledge that they have both more intellectual resources to draw upon, and greater facility in deploying those resources to achieve favorable outcomes, than those NYT referents.

    We are plagued by idiots, imbeciles and morons – and those three categories, without exception, span the slate of writers that is the editorial board of the New York Times.

    Okay, David Brooks is an exception – who else can make idiocy look like a step up.

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  14. Look on the bright side.

    Now that we can name it and tell jokes about it we can actually talk about it and analyze its actions and effects.

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  15. 1) Experts say
    2) Experts say
    3) Experts say

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    • Disagree: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    Ignore the "Disagree." I was trying to decide between "Agree" and "LOL" when the iPad intervened.
    , @AndrewR
    Indeed. Who are these "experts"?

    Experts also say that the NYT is rapidly approaching the Fake News singularity.
  16. The lady being quoted in the article is Elizabeth N Saunders, a uni prof. She’s now working on a book which she describes thusly:

    “I am currently working on my second book manuscript, The Insiders’ Game: Elites, Democracies, and War, which argues that elites, rather than voters, are the main audience for foreign policy decisions in democracies”

    Not the Deep State at all.

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  17. @Tom-in-VA
    The same logic applied to foreign Muslims...any effort to vet them will send them into the arms of ISIS, but how dare you insinuate that they pose a threat.

    It is also the same with mass immigration from Subsaharan Africa:
    a) it doesn´t exist, there are no masses
    b) the masses are friendly and it is their right to enter Europe
    c) you cannot resist
    d) if you resist the masses will crash you and Europe is doomed

    Read More
  18. @Desiderius

    And we know he likes to goose women now and then.
     
    No, that's Bill Clinton.

    Grab them by the pussy was a metaphor for female attraction for powerful men.

    Thanks. I’m sick of explaining that “grab” comment–that this is what a certain kind of woman tries to attract when she is drawn to circulate among powerful or attractive men in highly sexualized/energized, chemically blurred social situations. (Like college.)

    Women of that sexual politicking ilk even ask for or admit this.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2017/1/22/1d69618eaa7043e1a4f9bb3cec17d4f1_18.jpg

    http://images.complex.com/complex/images/c_crop,h_441,w_588,x_2,y_2/c_fill,g_center,w_1200/fl_lossy,pg_1,q_auto/cmumufbbodjcn1yrqqjh/feminist-protest-trump-tower

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.forward.com/images/cropped/protesting-lewd-trump-1476121416.jpg

    There were many more, but these were the least nausea-inducing I could find.

    Smacks my gob that the reaction of all those women to the election to the presidency of a successful alpha male with successful and attractive offspring and a lapful of grandchildren (surely the first in their lifetimes)…

    …was to sexually objectify themselves and demand his attention.

    The gob-smacking part isn’t that a certain kind of woman does this.

    It’s that they utterly lack the ability to reflect on their behavior and drives. They celebrate it. Then gaslight anyone who notices. They claim they’re being noble, not degenerate.

    Reminds me of the black harpies in Nicholas Christakis’s living room (by his invitation, for gods’ sake) in New Haven, after the 2014 Halloween costume crisis, shrieking at him that he didn’t pay them enough attention.

    For which he apologized as though these harridans were his wives, not his actual wife, the woman they had singled out for mobbing. Which of course is the root of a lot of these problems.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/11/09/hundreds-march-at-yale-in-solidarity-with-minority-students/?utm_term=.3257670d8046

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  19. @james wilson
    1) Experts say
    2) Experts say
    3) Experts say

    Ignore the “Disagree.” I was trying to decide between “Agree” and “LOL” when the iPad intervened.

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  20. @res
    This sounds very like the old joke: "Jews don't control Hollywood and we will destroy you if you say otherwise."

    There’s some chap in the UK who made a speech to a (presumably rightish) group saying words to the effect of “we must oppose Jewish control of the UK”. The Crown Prosecution service decided it wasn’t illegal to say this, but has now been persuaded to think again, according to BBC news.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39198044

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  21. @james wilson
    1) Experts say
    2) Experts say
    3) Experts say

    Indeed. Who are these “experts”?

    Experts also say that the NYT is rapidly approaching the Fake News singularity.

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  22. It seems self evident that the most powerful country in the world would actually be run by invisible and unaccountable forces. America is too important to be trusted with mediocre people like Donald Trump, Barack Obama, GWB, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Cawdaw or whomever. This isn’t Iceland.

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  23. “You get the feeling that Trump doesn’t understand that working invisibly through the bureaucracy would strengthen him,” she said.

    D) Trump’s not very smart. If he was he would use the non-existent deep state to pursue his goals.

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  24. Awesome article, Mr. Fisher. Its humor reminds me of the tantrum that was mounted by Belmont’s children, when Charles Murray tried to scold them into showing more noblesse oblige towards the unfortunates of Fishtown.

    We need a new accolade: “written to a Middlebury level of intellectual sophistication.”

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  25. That has forced civil servants into an impossible dilemma: acquiesce, allowing their institution to be sidelined, or mount a defense

    Is that a joke? Remind me, did these shadowy bureaucrats just win a national mandate to govern the country?

    They can either obey or resign. Anything else is treason and punishable by old sparky.

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  26. So the Deep State apparatchiks are not supposed to suck it up and pull the oars for the elected representatives in support of the Constitution they themselves swore an oath to uphold and protect? Got it.

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  27. Check out this Deep State freeloader for some hearty laughs/ photo /at what he looks like. http://bit.ly/2mphp7D
    Mustafa Ali is stepping down from his position as head of the environmental justice program at the EPA after a 24-year career at the agency. There appear to be no plans to replace him amid reports that the Trump administration is targeting deep cuts in EPA’s environmental justice and other efforts.

    ****This deep state EPA embed has been stealing from the taxpayers for 24 years and probably can start collecting his Federal pension right now. Yo¡¡¡¡¡ ¿What gives¿¿¿¿¿ Are all your Dashikis at the dry cleaners¿

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  28. I was very pleasantly surprised that Evangelical Christian voters (not leaders) didn’t fall for the Neo Conservative propaganda during the general election that we had to follow John McCain and lisping Lindsey Graham and restart the Cold War against the Russians or try to defend the insane, counter productive Neo Conservative USA wars, intrigues against secular Arabs in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt etc.

    Fortunately the 1980s Reagan Conservatives are dying off so the nostalgia to watch Rambo III movies and re start the Cold War against the Russians – no, our people didn’t go for that.

    President Trump is trying basically his only option trying to support the regular American military (army, navy, airfare, marines) against the deep state intelligence community and Neo Cons (or just The Jews) that do want to restart the Cold War with the Russians, oppose any and all White European nationalists/Populists be they Le Pen, Geert Wilders, Brexit, the Serbs, Hungarians, Vladimir Putin 0r just Trump voters in Michigan.

    I understand why President Trump and Gavin McInnes are now in Israel trying to show that they/we do have some important Jewish support (building Israeli style border walls), but the reality in this country is that the Jewish political/media/academic elite hates President Trump, hates Trump supporters (White poor, White working class).

    The reality is that in 2017 an “Anti Semite” isn’t someone who hates Jews, it’s someone the Jews hate.

    The Jews hate President Trump and Trump supporters by margins of at least 70%-30%. The Jews want to pack the supreme court with the likes of Ruth Bader Ginzberg, Elena Kagan, Sotomayor.

    It’s also a very strange reality that Liberal Leftist Jews in politics (Sen. Schumer) and the media are doing a full out propaganda campaign to try to make American Jews on the same victim Left Democrat team as Muslim immigrants and BlackLiesMatter.

    As ex CBA news writer (Author of “Bias”) concluded:

    “This will probably end very badly”.

    The American Lugenpresses is now trying to do something like the Washington Post’s Watergate take down of the Nixon Administration.

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  29. Our little liar’s at it again:

    NYT: Deep State: A) Doesn’t Exist

    What they actually say:
    “American institutions do not resemble the powerful deep states of countries like Egypt or Pakistan, experts say”
    Quite a difference.

    Anyway, during his election campaign Trump & Trumpists were very much in favour of leaks. Now, not anymore?

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  30. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I have a great record against enemies that don’t exist. I can’t prove I won them all. But not a shred of evidence they ever laid a finger on me.

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  31. Deep state is the molten core of the state. As a thing the the state is not just its parts and has emergent properties. The prime one is a determination to maintain itself over-against other states. People in the intelligence agencies have no influence at all, they have to serve the prime directive. Trump must take an initiative by confronting the Russians in Syria , the deep state will fall in behind him. The chattering NYT columnists won’t, but no will be listening to them.

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  32. The first rule of Deep State is there is no Deep State. The second rule of Deep State is to beat senseless anyone who talks of Deep State.

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  33. When Bill Moyers called it “the secret Government,” all the liberals nodded thoughtfully. But now that Trump supporters call it “the Deep State,” they pretend to have no idea what’s being discussed. It’s positively comical.

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