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From the NYT Opinion section:

The North’s Jim Crow

If you weren’t born with any Diversity Pokemon Points, you have to work twice as hard at shaming whites.

By Andrew W. Kahrl

Andrew W. Kahrl, an associate professor of history and African-American studies at the University of Virginia, is the author of “Free the Beaches: The Story of Ned Coll and the Battle for America’s Most Exclusive Shoreline.”

May 27, 2018

Last month in Philadelphia, a white Starbucks manager summoned police officers to confront a pair of African-American men after one asked to use the restroom before he had purchased a drink. About two weeks later, at Lake Merritt Park in Oakland, Calif., a white woman called police to report a black family that was grilling food for a picnic.

In both instances, the victims were accused of violating laws or rules governing conduct in commercial establishments and public spaces. In the first case, it was for trespassing or loitering. In the second, it was for using a charcoal grill outside of the designated areas.

“Quality of life” laws serve as a potent instrument of racial segregation. They provide commercial establishments, law enforcement officers and everyday citizens with tools enabling them to police racial boundaries while at the same time claiming to simply be upholding the law. …

In the 1930s, Long Branch, N.J., passed an ordinance requiring all residents to apply for a pass that would allow access to only one of the town’s four public beaches. Town officials claimed the rule was meant to prevent overcrowding. Without exception, though, black applicants were assigned to the same beach and were denied entry to the others. …

The civil rights icon Constance Baker Motley, who grew up in New Haven, Conn., in the 1930s, recalled accompanying two white teenage friends to a private beach in the neighboring town of Milford. Although Motley’s white friends were not members, they went there often. But with an African-American joining them, “there was suddenly a membership requirement.” The three returned to New Haven, Motley dripping in sweat and stewing in indignation, her white friends having learned an important Jim Crow lesson. …

It will take more than sensitivity-training sessions and the public shaming of racist, hypervigilant white women to dismantle today’s system of segregation. Limiting the power of white people to use the law to act out their vision of a “quality” life that excludes black people is a place to start.

 
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  1. countenance says: • Website

    Limiting the power of white people to use the law to act out their vision of a “quality” life that excludes black people is a place to start.

    Does that mean no more AFFH?

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  2. anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:

    Why is quality in quotation marks?

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    Why is quality in quotation marks?
     
    Because the very concept of "quality" is discriminatory.
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  3. Tom-in-VA says:
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    It's pretty good.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yeah, surprisingly thoughtful even if - yet again - Brooks steals one of Steve's ideas. However, not surprisingly, the comments are hugely against the gist of the argument.

    But here's my favorite comment from the Readers' Picks:

    Not sure where David Brooks lives, but go to any small, liberal college town, full of highly educated people and you will find a level of civic engagement and sense of community that represents just the kind of values he's talking about.
     
    Pretty much sums up every liberal that I know. Push for diversity but move away from it by living in a sequestered college town or expensive neighborhood where you can have civic engagement because you and your liberal white neighbors assiduously avoided NAMs. Have you cake and eat it too - so long as you can afford it.
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  4. donut says:

    Hey ! Rachel Dolezal had a sex change .

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  5. unit472 says:

    There seems to be an element of ‘Fake Valor’ amongst liberals today. It used to be middle aged men, from Clinton’s Chief of Naval Operations to black hustlers, wearing unearned medals or claiming to be Vietnam Veterans to elevate themselves. Now anyone born after 1960 has no real memory of de jure segregation or the actual Civil Rights Movement so they wallow in a past that no longer exists except in their minds.

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  6. Lot says:

    You sure he isn’t an oppressed black person like Ben Jealous, Sean King, etc? He doesn’t have the official white black person close crop hair and goatee like they do. On the other hand, he calls himself “Dr. Kahrl” because of his Ph.D.

    Any relation to Christina Kahrl, transgender sabrematrician?

    https://zagria.blogspot.com/2014/08/christina-kahrl-196-sports-writer.html

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  7. Nathan says:

    You know, I think something has been air-brushed out of the narrative in the Starbucks bathroom controversy…. something that dare not speak its name.

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  8. donut says:

    According to Robert Caro , Robert Moses had the overpasses on the parkways built with clearances too low for buses . And he just wanted to keep the wrong sort of white people out .

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  9. Can we train canines to sniff out racism? Pop-sci claims they can smell all else. Idea: Call them and their handlers KKK-9 teams. Bradbury introduced, in Fahr. 451 the notion of mechanical hounds to chase down people with bad thoughts…

    I’d also like to introduce the notion of White Privilege Credits. Think Carbon Credits, but these are kind of buying indulgences/dispensation for having been born as a white guy/gal.

    “As soon as the coin in the coffer does sing
    so a soul from Purgatory does spring.”

    That’s how I always remembered it.

    But Wikipedia sez I’m off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Tetzel

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  10. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:

    Andrew W. Kahrl, an associate professor of history and African-American studies at the University of Virginia,

    A white guy teaching African-American history, I’d call that cultural appropriation.

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  11. Last week a Black woman took an Orthodox Jewish fellow to task on the New York City subway over alleged discrimination against Blacks in Crown Heights, Brooklyn today, not 90 years ago. Did this video go viral? Did she lose her job over this?

    All things considered, by the low standards of New York City subway shoutfests, this is relatively civil.

    Why was this not covered by Vox, NY Times, Salon and Jezebel? The Jewish man in the video works for the Wall Street Journal, but the incident was apparently not worthy of endless commentary and hand wringing by the media.

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    Thanks for this. Excellent point.
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  12. A crack in the coalition of the fringes: Black woman on subway accuses Jewish man of racism. Jewish man then accuses black woman of racism.

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    What was the context? A dispute over who gets a seat?
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  13. So, 88 years ago blacks were allegedly barred from a beach and this fits in, I guess, with not letting them use coffee shop bathrooms today. I know I’m reaching here but really, 88 years ago. Well, I will try to make the next jump, countless articles, you can look them up, say blacks drown because of racism. So maybe Long Branch, NJ was actually worried about blacks drowning. CNN had a panel show tonight, I did not watch, titled “Everyday Racism in America.” This shit will never end. By the way, Google: Blacks more likely to drown than Whites and look at the number of articles. Summer is here and the next article will be…”High cost of gasoline preventing blacks from driving to the beach to drown.”

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Summer is here and the next article will be…”High cost of gasoline preventing blacks from driving to the beach to drown.”
     
    LOL
    , @CCZ
    I am not a history PhD, but Professor Kahrl might need to spend some more time researching his subject.

    A quick review of Asbury Park (south of Long Branch) Press newspaper archives, finds that during the 1930s the City of Long Branch owned 4 ocean front beaches. In 1932, they adopted the beach tag system for 2 beaches and left the other 2 beaches in the hands of private concessionaires. One of these concessionaire operated beaches was leased to Mrs. Addie Dixon, a widowed 48 year old black Long Branch resident and home-owner, and was known as the “colored beach.” In 1938, when the city first sought to operate the 2 leased beaches as municipal beaches requiring Long Branch beach tags, the black residents vehemently objected, claiming that they would lose their “colored beach” and might not be welcomed at other beaches. This was in 1938.

    In 1934, in debating the creation of additional municipally operated beaches, the city argued that regulations would increase safety and noted the 8 drownings in 1928 and 11 drownings in 1929 before the adoption of beach tags.
    , @Forbes
    I used to comment, regarding PBS, that all its programming represents histories of either the 1860s or the 1960s, as if the public needs reminding that slavery or the civil rights era were yesterday. The NYT has taken up the challenge that Jim Crow only ended yesterday.

    Reminds me of the Ludovico aversion therapy from "A Clockwork Orange."

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  14. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:

    Okay, no more gentrification. Let the blacks loose in yuppie towns. No more of that hipster haute attitudes.

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    Let the blacks loose in yuppie towns.
     
    Yes to Somali migrants in whole clans, in Martha's Vineyard, Mercer Island, Malibu and Marina del Rey. Build federal housing for them there - overrule the zoning laws.
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  15. At SF Gate, the San Fran Chronicle on line, seven men, all with Singh in their names, were arrested in Roseville, Ca. for inappropriately touching young girls at a pool. Hmmm, so next we will read that East Indians are being profiled at public pools.

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    If you’ve been reading Unz comments for the last couple months you’ll have noted that all the pervert old fart codger men on Unz are adamant that men, any men have the absolute right to grab and paw any woman or female child at any time anywhere on any place in her body including in buttocks thighs and breasts because there’s nothing wrong with it and men are entitled to grab grope and paw women and girls

    From their prior comments about sex assault and battery I assume all the old farts codgers and perverts who’ve been vociferously defending Weinstein et al want to set up a fundme site to pay the defense attorneys and bail for the the men arrrates for sex assault.

    Maybe they can raise the money to file lawsuits to have the assault & battery and sex assault laws overturned and assault & battery and sex assault made legal.

    Of course they might not like it when some robber punches them and steals their wallets and car keys, but they’re the guys who object to the assault & battery laws.

    , @fitzGetty
    ... this makes Telford, Leeds, Rochdale, Oxford etc etc look like a vicarage tea party ...
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  16. Last month in Philadelphia, a white Starbucks manager summoned police officers to confront a pair of African-American men after one asked to use the restroom before he had purchased a drink.

    Really? That’s not the story that the Left (or the Right) told. And I’ve never been in a Starbucks that made people ask for access to the toilets.

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    Anywhere outside nice white suburban locations, you need to ask for a key, to get into the bathroom.
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  17. In the 1930s, Long Branch, N.J., passed an ordinance requiring all residents to apply for a pass that would allow access to only one of the town’s four public beaches. Town officials claimed the rule was meant to prevent overcrowding. Without exception, though, black applicants were assigned to the same beach and were denied entry to the others.

    They should have been FORCED to swim with RACIST WHITES — for their own good or something.

    This stuff is insane.

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  18. donut says:

    Maybe I’ll listen to some tunes while I’m awaiting moderation .

    He descended into hell in search of God .

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  19. @Tom-in-VA
    OT: The unthinkable has happened, David Brooks wrote a column I agree with.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/opinion/failure-educated-elite.html?WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&action=click&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&pgtype=Homepage&region=opinion-c-col-left-region

    It’s pretty good.

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    Still with the obligatory insult directed at Trump early in the piece, otherwise no one will read it apparently. You have to hate Trump to write for op-eds for the NYT, and you have to save the awesome "Bobo" culture you were a big promoter of as well.
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  20. J.Ross says: • Website

    >after one asked
    I don’t remember that and I’ve never seen that happen; they always zoom straight for them, because firstly, coffeeshops aren’t big enough for the location to be unclear, and secondly, if they’re busy, they won’t see you. If this did happen then it proves that they were actors.

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  21. newrouter says:

    “Without exception, though, black applicants were assigned to the same beach and were denied entry to the others. ”

    Magic sand?

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  22. Michelle says:

    The BBQing while Black is the biggest case of fake news this side of Trayvon Martin’s killing. The incident had zero to do with the race of the illegal BBQers and everything to do with the fact that the complainant is an environmental engineer/climate scientist who hates carbon emissions. In response to the Starbucks cave in, our local Moroccan restaurant and cafe is sporting a new, hand written, door sign that states, “Restrooms are for customers only. No exceptions”.

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  23. Mr. Anon says:

    A white black-studies professor? That’s pretty cucky. I wonder what his wife’s son thinks about him.

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  24. Anon[741] • Disclaimer says:

    How could they forget Chicken Bone Beach in Atlantic City?

    http://www.blackpast.org/aah/chicken-bone-beach-atlantic-city-new-jersey-1900

    “By the 1940s, black entrepreneurs began to provide entertainment during the summer evenings. Leading black performers such as Sammy Davis, Jr., Louis Jordan, the Mills Brothers, Jackie “Moms” Mabley, and the Club Harlem showgirls, staged shows for black tourists and local residents. The showgirls dubbed the beach “Sunshine Row” and soon began attracting other visitors by alternately sunbathing and putting on brief skits. Visits from prominent figures such as Sugar Ray Robinson and singer, Peggy Thomas, added to Chicken Bone Beach’s growing mystique.

    “Despite the glitz of headline entertainers and showgirls, Chicken Bone Beach remained a family-oriented beach which served the needs of working class Atlantic City. Family members, friends, and neighbors cared for all the children who spent the day at the beach while their parents worked in the tourist industry.”

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  25. donut says:

    A couple or three more if you please :

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  26. Anon[162] • Disclaimer says:

    From Brook’s column:

    Once upon a time, white male Protestants ruled the roost. You got into a fancy school if your father had gone to the fancy school. You got a job at a white-shoe law firm or climbed the corporate ladder if you golfed at the right club.

    Huh? So Horatio Algers was full of it in writing all those stories extolling America’s meritocracy? Are Black and Hispanic “minorities” admitted on meritocratic grounds or are they “affirmatively” admitted? Why are most of the white Gentiles at Harvard LGBTQ (“..UVWXYZ”)? Was it their merits, or because admissions said: “oh zir’s a member of the queer alliance – how virtuous: bonus points.”

    Btw, does it matter that the significant majority of Americans were white protestants for the majority of American history? Let us rephrase:

    Once upon a time, the Han Chinese ruled China. You got into a fancy school if your father had gone to the fancy school . . .

    Aliens are welcomed to earth as refugees tomorrow. They’re more successful than humans in business and academics. Maybe it’s IQ or maybe it’s the Alien’s paranoia/inferiority complex plus ethnic networking; nobody really knows. They come to be the majority of Harvard undergrads due to their high SATs and excellent violin playing (who knew tentacles were so dexterous?). They oligopolize the press, dominate political campaign donations, and get themselves placed in all the important positions in the state department. Seven decades on and the U.S. is spending trillions and suffering thousands in casualties fighting wars on the moons of Jupiter against the Alien’s ethnic enemies, while Humans are simultaneously being demographically displaced on Earth by the fast breeding aliens themselves. Anyone who points this out is demonized hysterically in the press as “anti-Alien” for months on end, fired from their job and ends up homeless. This is just the natural consequence of meritocracy you silly Goyish Human. Don’t be such a bigot.

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  27. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    At SF Gate, the San Fran Chronicle on line, seven men, all with Singh in their names, were arrested in Roseville, Ca. for inappropriately touching young girls at a pool. Hmmm, so next we will read that East Indians are being profiled at public pools.

    If you’ve been reading Unz comments for the last couple months you’ll have noted that all the pervert old fart codger men on Unz are adamant that men, any men have the absolute right to grab and paw any woman or female child at any time anywhere on any place in her body including in buttocks thighs and breasts because there’s nothing wrong with it and men are entitled to grab grope and paw women and girls

    From their prior comments about sex assault and battery I assume all the old farts codgers and perverts who’ve been vociferously defending Weinstein et al want to set up a fundme site to pay the defense attorneys and bail for the the men arrrates for sex assault.

    Maybe they can raise the money to file lawsuits to have the assault & battery and sex assault laws overturned and assault & battery and sex assault made legal.

    Of course they might not like it when some robber punches them and steals their wallets and car keys, but they’re the guys who object to the assault & battery laws.

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    • Troll: MBlanc46
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    Rosie?
    , @Pericles
    Mmm-hm.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, go ahead and set up a gofundme site for Weinstein, #257. I think you'll find the commenters here taking OUT money vs. donating (at least I HOPE you can do that).

    You came on here about 2 weeks back, so do you really think you know everyone already? You've changed your mind about us twice over the last couple of days, too. What's it gonna be, lady, nice or lecherous?

    I think you should read through whole threads before you write. I do that most of the time.
    , @duncsbaby
    Are you related to Tiny Duck by any chance? Big Momma Duck is that you?
    , @Logan
    The only people I've ever run across who say men should get "one free grope" is those who defended B. Clinton against sexual misconduct.
    , @Logan
    The only people I've ever run across who say men should get "one free grope" is those who defended B. Clinton against sexual misconduct.
    , @BB753
    Yeah, iSteve is nothing but a support group for middle-aged sex-offenders, lol! HBD, immigration restriction and noticing un-PC things help keep our dirty minds busy, thus preventing recidivism. This is just a front.
    Thanks, Rosie, for making us remember why we are here for and what got us here: an unhealthy obsession with prime reproductive years and peak ovarian reserves in young women. Obviously, for the good of society and spinters everywhere, it's better for us to mate with post-menopausal ladies.
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  28. @Buffalo Joe
    So, 88 years ago blacks were allegedly barred from a beach and this fits in, I guess, with not letting them use coffee shop bathrooms today. I know I'm reaching here but really, 88 years ago. Well, I will try to make the next jump, countless articles, you can look them up, say blacks drown because of racism. So maybe Long Branch, NJ was actually worried about blacks drowning. CNN had a panel show tonight, I did not watch, titled "Everyday Racism in America." This shit will never end. By the way, Google: Blacks more likely to drown than Whites and look at the number of articles. Summer is here and the next article will be..."High cost of gasoline preventing blacks from driving to the beach to drown."

    Summer is here and the next article will be…”High cost of gasoline preventing blacks from driving to the beach to drown.”

    LOL

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  29. @Steve Sailer
    It's pretty good.

    Still with the obligatory insult directed at Trump early in the piece, otherwise no one will read it apparently. You have to hate Trump to write for op-eds for the NYT, and you have to save the awesome “Bobo” culture you were a big promoter of as well.

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  30. anon[256] • Disclaimer says:

    MSNBC Everyday Racism.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/msnbc-s-everyday-racism-america-racial-reckoning-must-happen-leaders-n878336

    I think this country is overdue for a truth and reconciliation process in every corner,” said policy adviser and town hall panelist Heather McGhee.

    You can’t make this stuff up. The are done with regular racism so are doubling down with unconscious racism.

    Unconscious bias is a stretch to explain the spectacularly bad outcomes for blacks as a group. Unconscious bias explains homicide rates 10x higher than whites?

    I’m ready for an honest conversation on black criminality.

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    You can’t make this stuff up. The are done with regular racism so are doubling down with unconscious racism.
     
    If you didn't have unconscious racism, then how would you explain all the Liberal Democrats who move to White suburbs in search of "Better Schools"?
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  31. Art Deco says:

    You can preview his book on Amazon. It appears to be a long-running complaint against private property, as well as a celebration of a local nuisance who has in his old age grown to irritate even people on his side.

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  32. OT: Snapchat under fire for (actual quotes) “sexist vibe” at company http://deadline.com/2018/05/evan-spiegel-snapchat-code-conference-1202399327/

    Former software engineer Shannon Lubetich criticized the company for “not being welcoming to women and people of color”, citing incidents like “scantily clad women in costumes resembling Snapchat’s popular deer filter to passed out out appetizers and posed for photos” at a party, and “a senior vice president of engineering who made a penis enlargement joke”

    Shannon Lubetich (google her) is about as attractive as you expect. The Steve Sailer Law of Female Journalism should be amended to include more professions.

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  33. syonredux says:

    It will take more than sensitivity-training sessions and the public shaming of racist, hypervigilant white women

    What if you’re a racist, hypervigilant Asian woman……

    to dismantle today’s system of segregation. Limiting the power of white people to use the law to act out their vision of a “quality” life that excludes black people is a place to start.

    Which means what? Decriminalizing everything save murder, rape, and assault?

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  34. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Ebonic version of the same sentiments though more about Jim Crowitz.

    https://nypost.com/2018/05/28/black-woman-goes-on-angry-rant-against-jewish-man-on-subway/

    Maybe we need more Jim Browns against Jim Crow. See how that ends up.

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  35. Anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    The beaches are private property. They are real estate that has been purchased at considerable cost and in which a deed of ownership is held. Black people may purchase real estate if they have the money for it or the credit record and salary to get a loan for it, and they can move into upscale neighborhoods if they likewise can afford it. They can likely also get guest passes if they have friends in the community.

    I expect that there are signs posted saying that it is private property.

    The implication being promoted is the same as the Starbucks thing that blacks are discriminated against relative to whites. Here’s what I think is going on:

    In Starbucks the guy asked to use the toilet, or demanded the key to use the toilet, without having bought anything (or “before buying” anything as one source put it). He was refused. Starbucks is from Seattle and is a high-trust culture. For the most part people don’t wander in and don’t buy anything. But there is a slight discomfort about that, and even those people buy something eventually if they are white. And if they need to use the toilet, they first buy something. The black “victims” are not from a high-trust social group. They are from a victim-gimme-shoulderchip culture. They brought themselves to the staff’s attention, who explained the rules, and rather than follow the rules, they made a federal case out of it.

    Private beaches have been a trust culture. You put up signs (and I’m sure that those signs were seen), but you don’t string razor wire and hire armed guards. From time to time some people who shouldn’t use the beach do. The beaches belong to upscale, white developments. If there are any black people living there, everyone knows them. So when a black person or a group with a black person enters the beach, the staff or residents know that an outsider is there. There is a broken windows mentality on the part of owners not to let the place go downhill, which doesn’t mean necessarily the odd black (although I’m sure it does definitely mean a lot of blacks, who have a different culture of rambunctiousness and noise) is discrinated on the basis of race, but rather that his and his friends’ flouting of the rules was noticed thanks to his race. Does it suck not having the white invisiblity cloak when you are flouting rules. Yeah. Tough.

    There is in general a feeling of entitlement by blacks to ignore rules made by whiet people who own private property that they don’t own. Or to ignore laws they they find inconvnenient.

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    This sense of entitlement is greatly exacerbated by the anti-white whites and Jews who act as if blacks shouldn't be held to the same standards as everyone else.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    But hold it, hold it. Amazed no one's noticed it yet.

    You simply don't see that many blacks on beaches. Period. Go to any public beach in the US during the summer. Count the faces you see by color. I dare say that if you see even 2% black of the beach occupants on a given summer day, that's a major number. They're not to be found in any major number.

    For blacks today (or over the last several decades) going to the beach to sit on the sand in the hot sun isn't their thing. That's for whiteys. And some Asians and perhaps Hispanics. But black folks? Going to the beach? Why would they do that? To sit out in the hot sun for hours on end? To swim in the ocean? You crazy? That's acting the fool. And it doesn't look cool to act the fool. Sand doesn't make a good surface for playing basketball, by the way.

    You simply don't see huge numbers of blacks on public beaches during the summer and why would you? What's in it for them? Going to the beach is typically a white thing. Also, hate to remind one, that usually middle class families tend to go to the beach and as of now, families (as in two parents) and middle class tend to go hand in hand with being white whereas belonging to either is not a given with blacks.
    , @Inquiring Mind
    I heard the complaint, from an American woman who speaks French fluently and lived there as an expat, that Paris as a community is sexist because men can at least relieve themselves in public stand-up restrooms whereas if a woman spending the day shopping or sightseeing needs a bathroom, they have to patronize a café. And you cannot go to the bathroom first, and the waitstaff will take its sweet time serving you while you are "holding it."

    So no, this business of you patronize the business before you take care of business is cruelty. As for my pink-skinned blond-haired white self, I drove to the Chicago Loop and couldn't find an open parking garage at McCormick Convention Center where I was going, parked on the street and was about to pop. I had a choice between a restaurant and a church and went for the church not knowing what kind of scene I would make in the (not-a-fast-food) restaurant using their bathroom first. Maybe I didn't want to patronize the restaurant because I wanted to get to McCormick place and not linger there.

    I explained that I hadn't stopped since Rockford and got tied up in traffic and could I use their restroom? The Church Lady said, "I really shouldn't be doing this, but well, alright, the bathroom is downstairs."

    So what changed her mind? That Christ would judge her for not letting a hick attending the Robot and Machine Tools Convention use the bathroom? The Gospel verse "Whosever let's a desperate visitor from 'Sconsin use your loo does so to me"?

    For goodness, sake, the lady let me use the men's room serving their church food pantry/daytime homeless shelter.

    As to the Starbucks Affair, somehow I don't think the man in question stopped into the Starbucks and asked for the bathroom code, explaining his urgency of this before making a purchase. Somehow I think this is a "setup" where the guy thought he was a latter-day Rosa Parks and was testing their tolerance, for sitting at a table without any intent of making a purchase and calling attention to this by asking to use the bathroom. Back then, civil rights protestors were arrested for wanting to buy something at a lunch counter, but today, they wanted to see if they could be arrested for not wanting to buy something at a lunch counter.

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  36. @anon
    MSNBC Everyday Racism.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/msnbc-s-everyday-racism-america-racial-reckoning-must-happen-leaders-n878336


    I think this country is overdue for a truth and reconciliation process in every corner," said policy adviser and town hall panelist Heather McGhee.
     
    You can't make this stuff up. The are done with regular racism so are doubling down with unconscious racism.

    Unconscious bias is a stretch to explain the spectacularly bad outcomes for blacks as a group. Unconscious bias explains homicide rates 10x higher than whites?

    I'm ready for an honest conversation on black criminality.

    You can’t make this stuff up. The are done with regular racism so are doubling down with unconscious racism.

    If you didn’t have unconscious racism, then how would you explain all the Liberal Democrats who move to White suburbs in search of “Better Schools”?

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  37. AndrewR says:
    @Anon
    If you’ve been reading Unz comments for the last couple months you’ll have noted that all the pervert old fart codger men on Unz are adamant that men, any men have the absolute right to grab and paw any woman or female child at any time anywhere on any place in her body including in buttocks thighs and breasts because there’s nothing wrong with it and men are entitled to grab grope and paw women and girls

    From their prior comments about sex assault and battery I assume all the old farts codgers and perverts who’ve been vociferously defending Weinstein et al want to set up a fundme site to pay the defense attorneys and bail for the the men arrrates for sex assault.

    Maybe they can raise the money to file lawsuits to have the assault & battery and sex assault laws overturned and assault & battery and sex assault made legal.

    Of course they might not like it when some robber punches them and steals their wallets and car keys, but they’re the guys who object to the assault & battery laws.

    Rosie?

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  38. Pericles says:
    @Anon
    If you’ve been reading Unz comments for the last couple months you’ll have noted that all the pervert old fart codger men on Unz are adamant that men, any men have the absolute right to grab and paw any woman or female child at any time anywhere on any place in her body including in buttocks thighs and breasts because there’s nothing wrong with it and men are entitled to grab grope and paw women and girls

    From their prior comments about sex assault and battery I assume all the old farts codgers and perverts who’ve been vociferously defending Weinstein et al want to set up a fundme site to pay the defense attorneys and bail for the the men arrrates for sex assault.

    Maybe they can raise the money to file lawsuits to have the assault & battery and sex assault laws overturned and assault & battery and sex assault made legal.

    Of course they might not like it when some robber punches them and steals their wallets and car keys, but they’re the guys who object to the assault & battery laws.

    Mmm-hm.

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  39. AndrewR says:
    @Anon
    The beaches are private property. They are real estate that has been purchased at considerable cost and in which a deed of ownership is held. Black people may purchase real estate if they have the money for it or the credit record and salary to get a loan for it, and they can move into upscale neighborhoods if they likewise can afford it. They can likely also get guest passes if they have friends in the community.

    I expect that there are signs posted saying that it is private property.

    The implication being promoted is the same as the Starbucks thing that blacks are discriminated against relative to whites. Here's what I think is going on:

    In Starbucks the guy asked to use the toilet, or demanded the key to use the toilet, without having bought anything (or "before buying" anything as one source put it). He was refused. Starbucks is from Seattle and is a high-trust culture. For the most part people don't wander in and don't buy anything. But there is a slight discomfort about that, and even those people buy something eventually if they are white. And if they need to use the toilet, they first buy something. The black "victims" are not from a high-trust social group. They are from a victim-gimme-shoulderchip culture. They brought themselves to the staff's attention, who explained the rules, and rather than follow the rules, they made a federal case out of it.

    Private beaches have been a trust culture. You put up signs (and I'm sure that those signs were seen), but you don't string razor wire and hire armed guards. From time to time some people who shouldn't use the beach do. The beaches belong to upscale, white developments. If there are any black people living there, everyone knows them. So when a black person or a group with a black person enters the beach, the staff or residents know that an outsider is there. There is a broken windows mentality on the part of owners not to let the place go downhill, which doesn't mean necessarily the odd black (although I'm sure it does definitely mean a lot of blacks, who have a different culture of rambunctiousness and noise) is discrinated on the basis of race, but rather that his and his friends' flouting of the rules was noticed thanks to his race. Does it suck not having the white invisiblity cloak when you are flouting rules. Yeah. Tough.

    There is in general a feeling of entitlement by blacks to ignore rules made by whiet people who own private property that they don't own. Or to ignore laws they they find inconvnenient.

    This sense of entitlement is greatly exacerbated by the anti-white whites and Jews who act as if blacks shouldn’t be held to the same standards as everyone else.

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  40. @Anon
    The beaches are private property. They are real estate that has been purchased at considerable cost and in which a deed of ownership is held. Black people may purchase real estate if they have the money for it or the credit record and salary to get a loan for it, and they can move into upscale neighborhoods if they likewise can afford it. They can likely also get guest passes if they have friends in the community.

    I expect that there are signs posted saying that it is private property.

    The implication being promoted is the same as the Starbucks thing that blacks are discriminated against relative to whites. Here's what I think is going on:

    In Starbucks the guy asked to use the toilet, or demanded the key to use the toilet, without having bought anything (or "before buying" anything as one source put it). He was refused. Starbucks is from Seattle and is a high-trust culture. For the most part people don't wander in and don't buy anything. But there is a slight discomfort about that, and even those people buy something eventually if they are white. And if they need to use the toilet, they first buy something. The black "victims" are not from a high-trust social group. They are from a victim-gimme-shoulderchip culture. They brought themselves to the staff's attention, who explained the rules, and rather than follow the rules, they made a federal case out of it.

    Private beaches have been a trust culture. You put up signs (and I'm sure that those signs were seen), but you don't string razor wire and hire armed guards. From time to time some people who shouldn't use the beach do. The beaches belong to upscale, white developments. If there are any black people living there, everyone knows them. So when a black person or a group with a black person enters the beach, the staff or residents know that an outsider is there. There is a broken windows mentality on the part of owners not to let the place go downhill, which doesn't mean necessarily the odd black (although I'm sure it does definitely mean a lot of blacks, who have a different culture of rambunctiousness and noise) is discrinated on the basis of race, but rather that his and his friends' flouting of the rules was noticed thanks to his race. Does it suck not having the white invisiblity cloak when you are flouting rules. Yeah. Tough.

    There is in general a feeling of entitlement by blacks to ignore rules made by whiet people who own private property that they don't own. Or to ignore laws they they find inconvnenient.

    But hold it, hold it. Amazed no one’s noticed it yet.

    You simply don’t see that many blacks on beaches. Period. Go to any public beach in the US during the summer. Count the faces you see by color. I dare say that if you see even 2% black of the beach occupants on a given summer day, that’s a major number. They’re not to be found in any major number.

    For blacks today (or over the last several decades) going to the beach to sit on the sand in the hot sun isn’t their thing. That’s for whiteys. And some Asians and perhaps Hispanics. But black folks? Going to the beach? Why would they do that? To sit out in the hot sun for hours on end? To swim in the ocean? You crazy? That’s acting the fool. And it doesn’t look cool to act the fool. Sand doesn’t make a good surface for playing basketball, by the way.

    You simply don’t see huge numbers of blacks on public beaches during the summer and why would you? What’s in it for them? Going to the beach is typically a white thing. Also, hate to remind one, that usually middle class families tend to go to the beach and as of now, families (as in two parents) and middle class tend to go hand in hand with being white whereas belonging to either is not a given with blacks.

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    That's not true univerally. Check out (or don't) N. Myrtle Beach, South Carolina - it's probably > 1/2 black. They go out there because other black people are out there. Plenty go in the water - not sure if all can swim.

    If you go down that way, the beaches around Charleston are nicer anyway, due to lack of the big wall of condos and lack of ... yeah... other reasons ... try Folly Beach to the SW or Isle of Palms to the NE.

    I don't know who you mean by "Asians", but Orientals are NOT beach people of any sort. At least the Chinese, who are a majority now, they DO NOT WANT TO GET A TAN, which, apparently is permanent. That's very bad, so they have to spend the whole time under umbrellas or wearing ball caps which don't look good on em, or those big, big floppy hats. If they're are tourists from overseas, many times they can't swim anyway. There's no feng shui down in Davy Jone's locker. Aaarhhh!

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  41. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    But hold it, hold it. Amazed no one's noticed it yet.

    You simply don't see that many blacks on beaches. Period. Go to any public beach in the US during the summer. Count the faces you see by color. I dare say that if you see even 2% black of the beach occupants on a given summer day, that's a major number. They're not to be found in any major number.

    For blacks today (or over the last several decades) going to the beach to sit on the sand in the hot sun isn't their thing. That's for whiteys. And some Asians and perhaps Hispanics. But black folks? Going to the beach? Why would they do that? To sit out in the hot sun for hours on end? To swim in the ocean? You crazy? That's acting the fool. And it doesn't look cool to act the fool. Sand doesn't make a good surface for playing basketball, by the way.

    You simply don't see huge numbers of blacks on public beaches during the summer and why would you? What's in it for them? Going to the beach is typically a white thing. Also, hate to remind one, that usually middle class families tend to go to the beach and as of now, families (as in two parents) and middle class tend to go hand in hand with being white whereas belonging to either is not a given with blacks.

    That’s not true univerally. Check out (or don’t) N. Myrtle Beach, South Carolina – it’s probably > 1/2 black. They go out there because other black people are out there. Plenty go in the water – not sure if all can swim.

    If you go down that way, the beaches around Charleston are nicer anyway, due to lack of the big wall of condos and lack of … yeah… other reasons … try Folly Beach to the SW or Isle of Palms to the NE.

    I don’t know who you mean by “Asians”, but Orientals are NOT beach people of any sort. At least the Chinese, who are a majority now, they DO NOT WANT TO GET A TAN, which, apparently is permanent. That’s very bad, so they have to spend the whole time under umbrellas or wearing ball caps which don’t look good on em, or those big, big floppy hats. If they’re are tourists from overseas, many times they can’t swim anyway. There’s no feng shui down in Davy Jone’s locker. Aaarhhh!

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  42. @Anon
    If you’ve been reading Unz comments for the last couple months you’ll have noted that all the pervert old fart codger men on Unz are adamant that men, any men have the absolute right to grab and paw any woman or female child at any time anywhere on any place in her body including in buttocks thighs and breasts because there’s nothing wrong with it and men are entitled to grab grope and paw women and girls

    From their prior comments about sex assault and battery I assume all the old farts codgers and perverts who’ve been vociferously defending Weinstein et al want to set up a fundme site to pay the defense attorneys and bail for the the men arrrates for sex assault.

    Maybe they can raise the money to file lawsuits to have the assault & battery and sex assault laws overturned and assault & battery and sex assault made legal.

    Of course they might not like it when some robber punches them and steals their wallets and car keys, but they’re the guys who object to the assault & battery laws.

    Yeah, go ahead and set up a gofundme site for Weinstein, #257. I think you’ll find the commenters here taking OUT money vs. donating (at least I HOPE you can do that).

    You came on here about 2 weeks back, so do you really think you know everyone already? You’ve changed your mind about us twice over the last couple of days, too. What’s it gonna be, lady, nice or lecherous?

    I think you should read through whole threads before you write. I do that most of the time.

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  43. duncsbaby says:
    @Anon
    If you’ve been reading Unz comments for the last couple months you’ll have noted that all the pervert old fart codger men on Unz are adamant that men, any men have the absolute right to grab and paw any woman or female child at any time anywhere on any place in her body including in buttocks thighs and breasts because there’s nothing wrong with it and men are entitled to grab grope and paw women and girls

    From their prior comments about sex assault and battery I assume all the old farts codgers and perverts who’ve been vociferously defending Weinstein et al want to set up a fundme site to pay the defense attorneys and bail for the the men arrrates for sex assault.

    Maybe they can raise the money to file lawsuits to have the assault & battery and sex assault laws overturned and assault & battery and sex assault made legal.

    Of course they might not like it when some robber punches them and steals their wallets and car keys, but they’re the guys who object to the assault & battery laws.

    Are you related to Tiny Duck by any chance? Big Momma Duck is that you?

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  44. @(((Echo)))
    A crack in the coalition of the fringes: Black woman on subway accuses Jewish man of racism. Jewish man then accuses black woman of racism.
    https://youtu.be/-Y35u1PQ7Bk

    What was the context? A dispute over who gets a seat?

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    --what was the context--

    A black woman with three young kids boarded the train which was crowded and no one gave up their seat. So this second black lady got angry and said that if the group had been Jewish someone would have given up their seat.
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  45. @ben tillman

    Last month in Philadelphia, a white Starbucks manager summoned police officers to confront a pair of African-American men after one asked to use the restroom before he had purchased a drink.
     
    Really? That's not the story that the Left (or the Right) told. And I've never been in a Starbucks that made people ask for access to the toilets.

    Anywhere outside nice white suburban locations, you need to ask for a key, to get into the bathroom.

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    It also seems like a thing throughout the Northeastern US in particular, of which Philadelphia is certainly a part. It was very common when I visited Boston a few years ago, far more than in Midwest where I live, here it is usually only in very urban areas, in Boston it was everywhere.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I got gas at a Kwik-Fill in suburban Buffalo the other day and there was No bathroom. Which, considering the people I saw on the street, was probably the right choice.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    I was refused entry into a gas station bathroom in Hungary because I hadn't bought anything.

    I blame Viktor Orbán.
    , @ben tillman
    Not in Dallas.
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  46. Actually, MLK was right. It is *not* about the color of your skin, even if it used to be. Blacks have their culture, and whites have theirs. It is not wrong to want to be around one’s own, and not want to be around another’s. It is even worse when a culture is violent and loud. Complete separation is the only answer.

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    Separation for those who want it. Freedom of association for everyone.
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  47. bartok says:
    @Anon
    Okay, no more gentrification. Let the blacks loose in yuppie towns. No more of that hipster haute attitudes.

    Let the blacks loose in yuppie towns.

    Yes to Somali migrants in whole clans, in Martha’s Vineyard, Mercer Island, Malibu and Marina del Rey. Build federal housing for them there – overrule the zoning laws.

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  48. sayless says:
    @International Jew
    What was the context? A dispute over who gets a seat?

    –what was the context–

    A black woman with three young kids boarded the train which was crowded and no one gave up their seat. So this second black lady got angry and said that if the group had been Jewish someone would have given up their seat.

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    So the Hebrew deserved it for not having enough common courtesy to offer a female his seat. We used to horsewhip "men" like that.
    , @Peasant
    Were they all one type of passenger (i.e Jewish) or just all different type of Whites? that might help explain who brought race into it in the first place.
    , @International Jew
    Give up a seat for whom? For her kids?? No way. For her? She seems young enough to stand, and besides if she's seated she won't be able to control her kids so well.

    My rule (as a commuter on SF Bay Area rail) is, I cede my seat to women my age or older, men twenty years my senior or more, and of course anyone handicapped or injured.
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  49. Logan says:
    @Anon
    If you’ve been reading Unz comments for the last couple months you’ll have noted that all the pervert old fart codger men on Unz are adamant that men, any men have the absolute right to grab and paw any woman or female child at any time anywhere on any place in her body including in buttocks thighs and breasts because there’s nothing wrong with it and men are entitled to grab grope and paw women and girls

    From their prior comments about sex assault and battery I assume all the old farts codgers and perverts who’ve been vociferously defending Weinstein et al want to set up a fundme site to pay the defense attorneys and bail for the the men arrrates for sex assault.

    Maybe they can raise the money to file lawsuits to have the assault & battery and sex assault laws overturned and assault & battery and sex assault made legal.

    Of course they might not like it when some robber punches them and steals their wallets and car keys, but they’re the guys who object to the assault & battery laws.

    The only people I’ve ever run across who say men should get “one free grope” is those who defended B. Clinton against sexual misconduct.

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  50. Logan says:
    @Anon
    If you’ve been reading Unz comments for the last couple months you’ll have noted that all the pervert old fart codger men on Unz are adamant that men, any men have the absolute right to grab and paw any woman or female child at any time anywhere on any place in her body including in buttocks thighs and breasts because there’s nothing wrong with it and men are entitled to grab grope and paw women and girls

    From their prior comments about sex assault and battery I assume all the old farts codgers and perverts who’ve been vociferously defending Weinstein et al want to set up a fundme site to pay the defense attorneys and bail for the the men arrrates for sex assault.

    Maybe they can raise the money to file lawsuits to have the assault & battery and sex assault laws overturned and assault & battery and sex assault made legal.

    Of course they might not like it when some robber punches them and steals their wallets and car keys, but they’re the guys who object to the assault & battery laws.

    The only people I’ve ever run across who say men should get “one free grope” is those who defended B. Clinton against sexual misconduct.

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  51. @Clifford Brown
    Last week a Black woman took an Orthodox Jewish fellow to task on the New York City subway over alleged discrimination against Blacks in Crown Heights, Brooklyn today, not 90 years ago. Did this video go viral? Did she lose her job over this?

    All things considered, by the low standards of New York City subway shoutfests, this is relatively civil.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9aKUMeu8Gc


    Why was this not covered by Vox, NY Times, Salon and Jezebel? The Jewish man in the video works for the Wall Street Journal, but the incident was apparently not worthy of endless commentary and hand wringing by the media.

    Thanks for this. Excellent point.

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  52. @Tom-in-VA
    OT: The unthinkable has happened, David Brooks wrote a column I agree with.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/opinion/failure-educated-elite.html?WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&action=click&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&pgtype=Homepage&region=opinion-c-col-left-region

    Yeah, surprisingly thoughtful even if – yet again – Brooks steals one of Steve’s ideas. However, not surprisingly, the comments are hugely against the gist of the argument.

    But here’s my favorite comment from the Readers’ Picks:

    Not sure where David Brooks lives, but go to any small, liberal college town, full of highly educated people and you will find a level of civic engagement and sense of community that represents just the kind of values he’s talking about.

    Pretty much sums up every liberal that I know. Push for diversity but move away from it by living in a sequestered college town or expensive neighborhood where you can have civic engagement because you and your liberal white neighbors assiduously avoided NAMs. Have you cake and eat it too – so long as you can afford it.

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  53. Hypervigilant white women are still around. They’re the biddies who run neighborhood Home Owners Associations.

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  54. Neuday says:
    @anonymous
    Why is quality in quotation marks?

    Why is quality in quotation marks?

    Because the very concept of “quality” is discriminatory.

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  55. @International Jew
    Anywhere outside nice white suburban locations, you need to ask for a key, to get into the bathroom.

    It also seems like a thing throughout the Northeastern US in particular, of which Philadelphia is certainly a part. It was very common when I visited Boston a few years ago, far more than in Midwest where I live, here it is usually only in very urban areas, in Boston it was everywhere.

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    After reading the Boston Globe's piece on "Methadone Mile," I'm not surprised about that...

    https://apps.bostonglobe.com/graphics/2016/07/methadone-mile/
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  56. @Anon
    The beaches are private property. They are real estate that has been purchased at considerable cost and in which a deed of ownership is held. Black people may purchase real estate if they have the money for it or the credit record and salary to get a loan for it, and they can move into upscale neighborhoods if they likewise can afford it. They can likely also get guest passes if they have friends in the community.

    I expect that there are signs posted saying that it is private property.

    The implication being promoted is the same as the Starbucks thing that blacks are discriminated against relative to whites. Here's what I think is going on:

    In Starbucks the guy asked to use the toilet, or demanded the key to use the toilet, without having bought anything (or "before buying" anything as one source put it). He was refused. Starbucks is from Seattle and is a high-trust culture. For the most part people don't wander in and don't buy anything. But there is a slight discomfort about that, and even those people buy something eventually if they are white. And if they need to use the toilet, they first buy something. The black "victims" are not from a high-trust social group. They are from a victim-gimme-shoulderchip culture. They brought themselves to the staff's attention, who explained the rules, and rather than follow the rules, they made a federal case out of it.

    Private beaches have been a trust culture. You put up signs (and I'm sure that those signs were seen), but you don't string razor wire and hire armed guards. From time to time some people who shouldn't use the beach do. The beaches belong to upscale, white developments. If there are any black people living there, everyone knows them. So when a black person or a group with a black person enters the beach, the staff or residents know that an outsider is there. There is a broken windows mentality on the part of owners not to let the place go downhill, which doesn't mean necessarily the odd black (although I'm sure it does definitely mean a lot of blacks, who have a different culture of rambunctiousness and noise) is discrinated on the basis of race, but rather that his and his friends' flouting of the rules was noticed thanks to his race. Does it suck not having the white invisiblity cloak when you are flouting rules. Yeah. Tough.

    There is in general a feeling of entitlement by blacks to ignore rules made by whiet people who own private property that they don't own. Or to ignore laws they they find inconvnenient.

    I heard the complaint, from an American woman who speaks French fluently and lived there as an expat, that Paris as a community is sexist because men can at least relieve themselves in public stand-up restrooms whereas if a woman spending the day shopping or sightseeing needs a bathroom, they have to patronize a café. And you cannot go to the bathroom first, and the waitstaff will take its sweet time serving you while you are “holding it.”

    So no, this business of you patronize the business before you take care of business is cruelty. As for my pink-skinned blond-haired white self, I drove to the Chicago Loop and couldn’t find an open parking garage at McCormick Convention Center where I was going, parked on the street and was about to pop. I had a choice between a restaurant and a church and went for the church not knowing what kind of scene I would make in the (not-a-fast-food) restaurant using their bathroom first. Maybe I didn’t want to patronize the restaurant because I wanted to get to McCormick place and not linger there.

    I explained that I hadn’t stopped since Rockford and got tied up in traffic and could I use their restroom? The Church Lady said, “I really shouldn’t be doing this, but well, alright, the bathroom is downstairs.”

    So what changed her mind? That Christ would judge her for not letting a hick attending the Robot and Machine Tools Convention use the bathroom? The Gospel verse “Whosever let’s a desperate visitor from ‘Sconsin use your loo does so to me”?

    For goodness, sake, the lady let me use the men’s room serving their church food pantry/daytime homeless shelter.

    As to the Starbucks Affair, somehow I don’t think the man in question stopped into the Starbucks and asked for the bathroom code, explaining his urgency of this before making a purchase. Somehow I think this is a “setup” where the guy thought he was a latter-day Rosa Parks and was testing their tolerance, for sitting at a table without any intent of making a purchase and calling attention to this by asking to use the bathroom. Back then, civil rights protestors were arrested for wanting to buy something at a lunch counter, but today, they wanted to see if they could be arrested for not wanting to buy something at a lunch counter.

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    Back then, civil rights protestors were arrested for wanting to buy something at a lunch counter, but today, they wanted to see if they could be arrested for not wanting to buy something at a lunch counter.
     
    Hey, very good line! I want to use it - can I add it onto my blog post for later today?

    BTW, I enjoyed the whole comment, I.M. Personal stories often make the best comments.
    , @MBlanc46
    Paris has changed. I haven’t seen any of the old pissoirs for men on my last couple of visits. Now they have much more elaborate public toilets that women can use, too. Now you have to pay. Fair enough, I guess.
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  57. @sayless
    --what was the context--

    A black woman with three young kids boarded the train which was crowded and no one gave up their seat. So this second black lady got angry and said that if the group had been Jewish someone would have given up their seat.

    So the Hebrew deserved it for not having enough common courtesy to offer a female his seat. We used to horsewhip “men” like that.

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    'so the Hebrew deserved it'

    He was standing to begin with. That's what the video shows. The car was full. He only got involved because Second Lady, not the mother with the kids, started in on Jews.

    "I am schooling you," sez she. Godalmighty. And it isn't even 9 :00 a.m. yet.
    , @MBlanc46
    You may have missed it, but women are equal now. We don’t have to give up our seats to them anymore.
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  58. The civil rights icon Constance Baker Motley, who grew up in New Haven, Conn., in the 1930s, recalled accompanying two white teenage friends to a private beach

    Not long before this story is 100 years old. And, what, this woman must be over 90 herself.

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    She would be, if she hadn't died 13 years ago. The offense to the three women isn't the most compelling tale of woe you might think of from 1935. And it doesn't occur to him that the girls weren't challenged and subject to the membership requirement before because doing that requires confrontation and it's not something people are willing to do free-lance unless there's something blatantly amiss. When it was clear they weren't locals, they were challenged.

    The burden of his complaint is that people who buy property fancy they've bought property and have plenary discretion over who makes use of it. You want to assemble a public park, you have to compensate the owners of the property you've targeted to do so. The term 'eminent domain' appears twice in the text of his book, about 70% of the way through.

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  59. Benjaminl says:
    @Unladen Swallow
    It also seems like a thing throughout the Northeastern US in particular, of which Philadelphia is certainly a part. It was very common when I visited Boston a few years ago, far more than in Midwest where I live, here it is usually only in very urban areas, in Boston it was everywhere.

    After reading the Boston Globe’s piece on “Methadone Mile,” I’m not surprised about that…

    https://apps.bostonglobe.com/graphics/2016/07/methadone-mile/

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    The Methadone Mile starts at the entrance to my girlfriend's hospital, where they're lining up at the front entrance of the methadone clinic 2 hours before it opens.

    While we're on the subject of bathrooms, the ones inside the hospital's lobby are where you'll see some of the most "interesting" uses of bathroom fixtures ever imagined.
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  60. CCZ says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    So, 88 years ago blacks were allegedly barred from a beach and this fits in, I guess, with not letting them use coffee shop bathrooms today. I know I'm reaching here but really, 88 years ago. Well, I will try to make the next jump, countless articles, you can look them up, say blacks drown because of racism. So maybe Long Branch, NJ was actually worried about blacks drowning. CNN had a panel show tonight, I did not watch, titled "Everyday Racism in America." This shit will never end. By the way, Google: Blacks more likely to drown than Whites and look at the number of articles. Summer is here and the next article will be..."High cost of gasoline preventing blacks from driving to the beach to drown."

    I am not a history PhD, but Professor Kahrl might need to spend some more time researching his subject.

    A quick review of Asbury Park (south of Long Branch) Press newspaper archives, finds that during the 1930s the City of Long Branch owned 4 ocean front beaches. In 1932, they adopted the beach tag system for 2 beaches and left the other 2 beaches in the hands of private concessionaires. One of these concessionaire operated beaches was leased to Mrs. Addie Dixon, a widowed 48 year old black Long Branch resident and home-owner, and was known as the “colored beach.” In 1938, when the city first sought to operate the 2 leased beaches as municipal beaches requiring Long Branch beach tags, the black residents vehemently objected, claiming that they would lose their “colored beach” and might not be welcomed at other beaches. This was in 1938.

    In 1934, in debating the creation of additional municipally operated beaches, the city argued that regulations would increase safety and noted the 8 drownings in 1928 and 11 drownings in 1929 before the adoption of beach tags.

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    CCZ, thank you, I learn something every day here at Steve's.
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  62. Peasant says:
    @sayless
    --what was the context--

    A black woman with three young kids boarded the train which was crowded and no one gave up their seat. So this second black lady got angry and said that if the group had been Jewish someone would have given up their seat.

    Were they all one type of passenger (i.e Jewish) or just all different type of Whites? that might help explain who brought race into it in the first place.

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    'Were they all one kind of passenger'

    No. It was a subway on the morning rush hour taking people into work or wherever. Various religions, three or four different languages, different income/educational levels, students, et cetera.
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  63. Forbes says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    So, 88 years ago blacks were allegedly barred from a beach and this fits in, I guess, with not letting them use coffee shop bathrooms today. I know I'm reaching here but really, 88 years ago. Well, I will try to make the next jump, countless articles, you can look them up, say blacks drown because of racism. So maybe Long Branch, NJ was actually worried about blacks drowning. CNN had a panel show tonight, I did not watch, titled "Everyday Racism in America." This shit will never end. By the way, Google: Blacks more likely to drown than Whites and look at the number of articles. Summer is here and the next article will be..."High cost of gasoline preventing blacks from driving to the beach to drown."

    I used to comment, regarding PBS, that all its programming represents histories of either the 1860s or the 1960s, as if the public needs reminding that slavery or the civil rights era were yesterday. The NYT has taken up the challenge that Jim Crow only ended yesterday.

    Reminds me of the Ludovico aversion therapy from “A Clockwork Orange.”

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    Forbes, all slights, real or imagined happened yesterday. All assistance or attempts to right wrongs never occurred.
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  64. Art Deco says:
    @E. Rekshun
    The civil rights icon Constance Baker Motley, who grew up in New Haven, Conn., in the 1930s, recalled accompanying two white teenage friends to a private beach

    Not long before this story is 100 years old. And, what, this woman must be over 90 herself.

    She would be, if she hadn’t died 13 years ago. The offense to the three women isn’t the most compelling tale of woe you might think of from 1935. And it doesn’t occur to him that the girls weren’t challenged and subject to the membership requirement before because doing that requires confrontation and it’s not something people are willing to do free-lance unless there’s something blatantly amiss. When it was clear they weren’t locals, they were challenged.

    The burden of his complaint is that people who buy property fancy they’ve bought property and have plenary discretion over who makes use of it. You want to assemble a public park, you have to compensate the owners of the property you’ve targeted to do so. The term ‘eminent domain’ appears twice in the text of his book, about 70% of the way through.

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  65. @International Jew
    Anywhere outside nice white suburban locations, you need to ask for a key, to get into the bathroom.

    I got gas at a Kwik-Fill in suburban Buffalo the other day and there was No bathroom. Which, considering the people I saw on the street, was probably the right choice.

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  66. fitzGetty says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    At SF Gate, the San Fran Chronicle on line, seven men, all with Singh in their names, were arrested in Roseville, Ca. for inappropriately touching young girls at a pool. Hmmm, so next we will read that East Indians are being profiled at public pools.

    … this makes Telford, Leeds, Rochdale, Oxford etc etc look like a vicarage tea party …

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  67. @Inquiring Mind
    I heard the complaint, from an American woman who speaks French fluently and lived there as an expat, that Paris as a community is sexist because men can at least relieve themselves in public stand-up restrooms whereas if a woman spending the day shopping or sightseeing needs a bathroom, they have to patronize a café. And you cannot go to the bathroom first, and the waitstaff will take its sweet time serving you while you are "holding it."

    So no, this business of you patronize the business before you take care of business is cruelty. As for my pink-skinned blond-haired white self, I drove to the Chicago Loop and couldn't find an open parking garage at McCormick Convention Center where I was going, parked on the street and was about to pop. I had a choice between a restaurant and a church and went for the church not knowing what kind of scene I would make in the (not-a-fast-food) restaurant using their bathroom first. Maybe I didn't want to patronize the restaurant because I wanted to get to McCormick place and not linger there.

    I explained that I hadn't stopped since Rockford and got tied up in traffic and could I use their restroom? The Church Lady said, "I really shouldn't be doing this, but well, alright, the bathroom is downstairs."

    So what changed her mind? That Christ would judge her for not letting a hick attending the Robot and Machine Tools Convention use the bathroom? The Gospel verse "Whosever let's a desperate visitor from 'Sconsin use your loo does so to me"?

    For goodness, sake, the lady let me use the men's room serving their church food pantry/daytime homeless shelter.

    As to the Starbucks Affair, somehow I don't think the man in question stopped into the Starbucks and asked for the bathroom code, explaining his urgency of this before making a purchase. Somehow I think this is a "setup" where the guy thought he was a latter-day Rosa Parks and was testing their tolerance, for sitting at a table without any intent of making a purchase and calling attention to this by asking to use the bathroom. Back then, civil rights protestors were arrested for wanting to buy something at a lunch counter, but today, they wanted to see if they could be arrested for not wanting to buy something at a lunch counter.

    Back then, civil rights protestors were arrested for wanting to buy something at a lunch counter, but today, they wanted to see if they could be arrested for not wanting to buy something at a lunch counter.

    Hey, very good line! I want to use it – can I add it onto my blog post for later today?

    BTW, I enjoyed the whole comment, I.M. Personal stories often make the best comments.

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    Share the line, brother man!
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  68. sayless says:
    @Chris Mallory
    So the Hebrew deserved it for not having enough common courtesy to offer a female his seat. We used to horsewhip "men" like that.

    ‘so the Hebrew deserved it’

    He was standing to begin with. That’s what the video shows. The car was full. He only got involved because Second Lady, not the mother with the kids, started in on Jews.

    “I am schooling you,” sez she. Godalmighty. And it isn’t even 9 :00 a.m. yet.

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  69. BB753 says:
    @Anon
    If you’ve been reading Unz comments for the last couple months you’ll have noted that all the pervert old fart codger men on Unz are adamant that men, any men have the absolute right to grab and paw any woman or female child at any time anywhere on any place in her body including in buttocks thighs and breasts because there’s nothing wrong with it and men are entitled to grab grope and paw women and girls

    From their prior comments about sex assault and battery I assume all the old farts codgers and perverts who’ve been vociferously defending Weinstein et al want to set up a fundme site to pay the defense attorneys and bail for the the men arrrates for sex assault.

    Maybe they can raise the money to file lawsuits to have the assault & battery and sex assault laws overturned and assault & battery and sex assault made legal.

    Of course they might not like it when some robber punches them and steals their wallets and car keys, but they’re the guys who object to the assault & battery laws.

    Yeah, iSteve is nothing but a support group for middle-aged sex-offenders, lol! HBD, immigration restriction and noticing un-PC things help keep our dirty minds busy, thus preventing recidivism. This is just a front.
    Thanks, Rosie, for making us remember why we are here for and what got us here: an unhealthy obsession with prime reproductive years and peak ovarian reserves in young women. Obviously, for the good of society and spinters everywhere, it’s better for us to mate with post-menopausal ladies.

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  70. @Achmed E. Newman

    Back then, civil rights protestors were arrested for wanting to buy something at a lunch counter, but today, they wanted to see if they could be arrested for not wanting to buy something at a lunch counter.
     
    Hey, very good line! I want to use it - can I add it onto my blog post for later today?

    BTW, I enjoyed the whole comment, I.M. Personal stories often make the best comments.

    Share the line, brother man!

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  71. Why on earth would any white person ever want to exclude or avoid an Afro American ? For what possible reason?

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  72. sayless says:
    @Peasant
    Were they all one type of passenger (i.e Jewish) or just all different type of Whites? that might help explain who brought race into it in the first place.

    ‘Were they all one kind of passenger’

    No. It was a subway on the morning rush hour taking people into work or wherever. Various religions, three or four different languages, different income/educational levels, students, et cetera.

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  73. @International Jew
    Anywhere outside nice white suburban locations, you need to ask for a key, to get into the bathroom.

    I was refused entry into a gas station bathroom in Hungary because I hadn’t bought anything.

    I blame Viktor Orbán.

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  74. @CCZ
    I am not a history PhD, but Professor Kahrl might need to spend some more time researching his subject.

    A quick review of Asbury Park (south of Long Branch) Press newspaper archives, finds that during the 1930s the City of Long Branch owned 4 ocean front beaches. In 1932, they adopted the beach tag system for 2 beaches and left the other 2 beaches in the hands of private concessionaires. One of these concessionaire operated beaches was leased to Mrs. Addie Dixon, a widowed 48 year old black Long Branch resident and home-owner, and was known as the “colored beach.” In 1938, when the city first sought to operate the 2 leased beaches as municipal beaches requiring Long Branch beach tags, the black residents vehemently objected, claiming that they would lose their “colored beach” and might not be welcomed at other beaches. This was in 1938.

    In 1934, in debating the creation of additional municipally operated beaches, the city argued that regulations would increase safety and noted the 8 drownings in 1928 and 11 drownings in 1929 before the adoption of beach tags.

    CCZ, thank you, I learn something every day here at Steve’s.

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  75. @Forbes
    I used to comment, regarding PBS, that all its programming represents histories of either the 1860s or the 1960s, as if the public needs reminding that slavery or the civil rights era were yesterday. The NYT has taken up the challenge that Jim Crow only ended yesterday.

    Reminds me of the Ludovico aversion therapy from "A Clockwork Orange."

    Forbes, all slights, real or imagined happened yesterday. All assistance or attempts to right wrongs never occurred.

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  76. @sayless
    --what was the context--

    A black woman with three young kids boarded the train which was crowded and no one gave up their seat. So this second black lady got angry and said that if the group had been Jewish someone would have given up their seat.

    Give up a seat for whom? For her kids?? No way. For her? She seems young enough to stand, and besides if she’s seated she won’t be able to control her kids so well.

    My rule (as a commuter on SF Bay Area rail) is, I cede my seat to women my age or older, men twenty years my senior or more, and of course anyone handicapped or injured.

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    My rule (as a commuter on SF Bay Area rail) is, I cede my seat to women my age or older, men twenty years my senior or more, and of course anyone handicapped or injured.

     

    I ride Hong Kong's MTR 10-15 times a week, and those are just about my rules as well. You find out soon enough that if you try to give up your seat to someone who's not sufficiently older than you, he (or she!) may well be miffed that you're implying they're infirm.

    I also don't automatically give up my seat for kids once they're more than toddlers. I've seen too many families here with 4-8 year old kids who approach the train door, kids prancing about like baby goats, and then on cue the mother or father will scoop up a kid, who clings on to the parent like a remora, until a seat or seats are proffered. Then the kid usually refuses to sit altogether, leaving only the parent to take it up.

    , @sayless
    Yes, I don't give up my seat to children either unless they're toddlers. If someone is holding a very young one I'll stand. Will also stand for elderly people, disabled or injured, and anyone who appears to be exhausted.

    In Manhattan people are more considerate than they were twenty or thirty years ago. In the eighties a heavily pregnant woman wouldn't be offered a seat. That would never happen now.
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  77. @International Jew
    Give up a seat for whom? For her kids?? No way. For her? She seems young enough to stand, and besides if she's seated she won't be able to control her kids so well.

    My rule (as a commuter on SF Bay Area rail) is, I cede my seat to women my age or older, men twenty years my senior or more, and of course anyone handicapped or injured.

    My rule (as a commuter on SF Bay Area rail) is, I cede my seat to women my age or older, men twenty years my senior or more, and of course anyone handicapped or injured.

    I ride Hong Kong’s MTR 10-15 times a week, and those are just about my rules as well. You find out soon enough that if you try to give up your seat to someone who’s not sufficiently older than you, he (or she!) may well be miffed that you’re implying they’re infirm.

    I also don’t automatically give up my seat for kids once they’re more than toddlers. I’ve seen too many families here with 4-8 year old kids who approach the train door, kids prancing about like baby goats, and then on cue the mother or father will scoop up a kid, who clings on to the parent like a remora, until a seat or seats are proffered. Then the kid usually refuses to sit altogether, leaving only the parent to take it up.

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  78. sayless says:
    @International Jew
    Give up a seat for whom? For her kids?? No way. For her? She seems young enough to stand, and besides if she's seated she won't be able to control her kids so well.

    My rule (as a commuter on SF Bay Area rail) is, I cede my seat to women my age or older, men twenty years my senior or more, and of course anyone handicapped or injured.

    Yes, I don’t give up my seat to children either unless they’re toddlers. If someone is holding a very young one I’ll stand. Will also stand for elderly people, disabled or injured, and anyone who appears to be exhausted.

    In Manhattan people are more considerate than they were twenty or thirty years ago. In the eighties a heavily pregnant woman wouldn’t be offered a seat. That would never happen now.

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  79. Brutusale says:
    @Benjaminl
    After reading the Boston Globe's piece on "Methadone Mile," I'm not surprised about that...

    https://apps.bostonglobe.com/graphics/2016/07/methadone-mile/

    The Methadone Mile starts at the entrance to my girlfriend’s hospital, where they’re lining up at the front entrance of the methadone clinic 2 hours before it opens.

    While we’re on the subject of bathrooms, the ones inside the hospital’s lobby are where you’ll see some of the most “interesting” uses of bathroom fixtures ever imagined.

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  80. @International Jew
    Anywhere outside nice white suburban locations, you need to ask for a key, to get into the bathroom.

    Not in Dallas.

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  81. MBlanc46 says:
    @LiveFreeOrDie
    Actually, MLK was right. It is *not* about the color of your skin, even if it used to be. Blacks have their culture, and whites have theirs. It is not wrong to want to be around one's own, and not want to be around another's. It is even worse when a culture is violent and loud. Complete separation is the only answer.

    Separation for those who want it. Freedom of association for everyone.

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  82. MBlanc46 says:
    @Inquiring Mind
    I heard the complaint, from an American woman who speaks French fluently and lived there as an expat, that Paris as a community is sexist because men can at least relieve themselves in public stand-up restrooms whereas if a woman spending the day shopping or sightseeing needs a bathroom, they have to patronize a café. And you cannot go to the bathroom first, and the waitstaff will take its sweet time serving you while you are "holding it."

    So no, this business of you patronize the business before you take care of business is cruelty. As for my pink-skinned blond-haired white self, I drove to the Chicago Loop and couldn't find an open parking garage at McCormick Convention Center where I was going, parked on the street and was about to pop. I had a choice between a restaurant and a church and went for the church not knowing what kind of scene I would make in the (not-a-fast-food) restaurant using their bathroom first. Maybe I didn't want to patronize the restaurant because I wanted to get to McCormick place and not linger there.

    I explained that I hadn't stopped since Rockford and got tied up in traffic and could I use their restroom? The Church Lady said, "I really shouldn't be doing this, but well, alright, the bathroom is downstairs."

    So what changed her mind? That Christ would judge her for not letting a hick attending the Robot and Machine Tools Convention use the bathroom? The Gospel verse "Whosever let's a desperate visitor from 'Sconsin use your loo does so to me"?

    For goodness, sake, the lady let me use the men's room serving their church food pantry/daytime homeless shelter.

    As to the Starbucks Affair, somehow I don't think the man in question stopped into the Starbucks and asked for the bathroom code, explaining his urgency of this before making a purchase. Somehow I think this is a "setup" where the guy thought he was a latter-day Rosa Parks and was testing their tolerance, for sitting at a table without any intent of making a purchase and calling attention to this by asking to use the bathroom. Back then, civil rights protestors were arrested for wanting to buy something at a lunch counter, but today, they wanted to see if they could be arrested for not wanting to buy something at a lunch counter.

    Paris has changed. I haven’t seen any of the old pissoirs for men on my last couple of visits. Now they have much more elaborate public toilets that women can use, too. Now you have to pay. Fair enough, I guess.

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  83. MBlanc46 says:
    @Chris Mallory
    So the Hebrew deserved it for not having enough common courtesy to offer a female his seat. We used to horsewhip "men" like that.

    You may have missed it, but women are equal now. We don’t have to give up our seats to them anymore.

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