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From today’s NYT:

2016 Candidates Are United in Call to Alter Justice System

by Peter Baker

WASHINGTON — The last time a Clinton and a Bush ran for president, the country was awash in crime and the two parties were competing to show who could be tougher on murderers, rapists and drug dealers. Sentences were lengthened and new prisons sprouted up across the country.

But more than two decades later, declared and presumed candidates for president are competing over how to reverse what they see as the policy excesses of the 1990s and the mass incarceration that has followed. Democrats and Republicans alike are putting forth ideas to reduce the prison population and rethink a system that has locked up a generation of young men, particularly African-Americans.

How’s that bipartisan consensus working out so far?

 
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  1. Jefferson says:

    ” rethink a system that has locked up a generation of young men, particularly African-Americans.”

    Why hasn’t this system locked up a generation of young Asian American men? After all if we live in a White supremacist society like the Left Wing claims, shouldn’t all Nonwhites in general suffer equally from mass incarceration and not just Blacks?

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  2. The perps in Baltimore are suicidal. It looks like the Minute Men are the We’ll Get There When We Can Men or are being ordered to stand down as the city burns down.

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  3. The problem is Wall Street and corporate regulation, i.e. this deal for the Baltimore Orioles to get bought by WorldStarHipHop.com deserved more scrutiny before it went through yesterday

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  4. “While crime has fallen in recent decades, the prison population has risen, although it has plateaued in recent years”

    Impossible. You have to be charged with a crime to go to jail. Unless they are trying to say that they are just throwing random people in jail.

    “Mr. Walker took a more traditionally Republican view by focusing on the impact on crime victims and advocating drug testing in workplaces to head off drug crimes. ”

    You know what really helps drug addicts? Getting them fired from their jobs! Genius.

    “Mr. Rubio made clear that he opposes legalizing drugs but that disagreement on the issue should not stop broader changes.”

    Maybe if we get Hispanics to start holding marches for legalizing weed, Mr. Rubio will get to work. Wait, I think through my sarcasm, I just came up with a great idea. If you can get Hispanics to start pushing an issue and claim that this is how you can get their vote, you can make puppets out of the Republicans.

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    • Replies: @Bill

    “While crime has fallen in recent decades, the prison population has risen, although it has plateaued in recent years”

    Impossible. You have to be charged with a crime to go to jail. Unless they are trying to say that they are just throwing random people in jail.
     
    Convictions = Population * Crime Rate * Arrest Rate * Conviction Rate. Convictions can go up even though crime rate is going down. Prison population is even more complicated. It is a stock while convictions is a flow (google stock vs flow if that does not make sense to you). So prison population can continue to rise for years after convictions has started to fall.
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  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Yeah, this is pumped out from the NYT because they know what is percolating out there: nationwide exhaustion caused by black misbehavior.

    This Baltimore situation is obviously unwelcome even by Obama. Diminished returns are here and the backlash is ahead.

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    • Replies: @Wall the ghetto
    I wish it was true. What backlash can we whites effectuate? The war on whites takes no prisoners and how far can white's flight?
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  6. JDG1980 says:

    Most of the stuff being written on these riots is silly, but when I was looking over a Slate article, I noticed something that might actually be relevant:

    Abandoned lots and unsound housing conditions were exceedingly common, with almost a quarter of all the neighborhood’s buildings standing vacant (compared with 5 percent of buildings across all of Baltimore) and the rate of lead paint violations almost four times as high as it was citywide. (According to a lawsuit filed by the Gray family against their landlord, Gray and his two sisters were all found to have “damaging lead levels in their blood.”)

    As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior. I’d be curious to know how Baltimore’s current lead levels compare to other large cities with similar demographics, and how strongly this correlates with rates of violent crime. I get the impression that Baltimore is a lot more violent than most other big cities, but haven’t looked up the numbers. What percentage of violent Baltimore thugs were raised in Baltimore slums? Has there been any systematic study to see if they have disproportionately high lead levels in their blood?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Chicago built Cabrini Green so that poor children wouldn't have to live in tenements with lead paint on the wall. How'd that work out?
    , @Priss Factor
    "As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior."

    Melanin enclosure seem to correlate better.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    I get the impression that Baltimore is a lot more violent than most other big cities, but haven’t looked up the numbers.

    This is the town that started the Stop Snitching videos.
    , @Art Deco
    I get the impression that Baltimore is a lot more violent than most other big cities, but haven’t looked up the numbers.

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    Yep. Homicide rates exceed those in New York by a factor of 8. About 30% of the population of greater Baltimore is in the Baltimore municipality, v. north of 40% for greater New York. All of the slum population is in the inner city, whereas in greater New York much is parceled out to municipalities in New Jersey. Even taking account of that, the homicide rate is still 4.5x what you'd expect given what prevails in New York. It's rather Rube Goldbergish to posit that lead levels are the culprit. Occam's razor suggests that the reason is that New York was governed by Rudoloph Giluliani and Baltimore was governed by Kurt ("It's out of our control") Schmoke.
    , @MarkinLA
    Somehow it is always somebody else's fault that blacks are living in slums. The blacks let them become slums through neglect. You have to paint the place every now and then. You have to replace the toilet every now and then.

    Instead of rioting or getting high why don't the kids in the neighborhood paint and repair the old folks homes? They get valuable job skills and the neighborhood increases in value.

    As for the lead paint, it hasn't been available for decades. If they had just painted over it 40 years ago and painted every 5-10 years or so it wouldn't be a problem.
    , @Art Deco
    As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure
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    He just quoted longitudinal descriptive statistics on mean lead levels and certain pathologies. Someone once wrote an article attributing changing attitudes about women in politics to the Mary Tyler Moore show. It's a fallacy with an ancient proper name. If he wants to provide evidence toward his thesis, he's at least have to gin up an ecological study.
    , @Marc
    Lead paint is the modern manifestation of the "deteriorating schools" reasoning used to explain black scholastic under-achievement back in the 1980's. Now that the urban schools across the country have been largely renovated with state-of-the-art facilities, it's glaringly obvious that the buildings and old text books were not the root cause.
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  7. The Warren Court introduced a new consensus too. But that’s too far back to remember.

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  8. @JDG1980
    Most of the stuff being written on these riots is silly, but when I was looking over a Slate article, I noticed something that might actually be relevant:

    Abandoned lots and unsound housing conditions were exceedingly common, with almost a quarter of all the neighborhood’s buildings standing vacant (compared with 5 percent of buildings across all of Baltimore) and the rate of lead paint violations almost four times as high as it was citywide. (According to a lawsuit filed by the Gray family against their landlord, Gray and his two sisters were all found to have “damaging lead levels in their blood.”)

     

    As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior. I'd be curious to know how Baltimore's current lead levels compare to other large cities with similar demographics, and how strongly this correlates with rates of violent crime. I get the impression that Baltimore is a lot more violent than most other big cities, but haven't looked up the numbers. What percentage of violent Baltimore thugs were raised in Baltimore slums? Has there been any systematic study to see if they have disproportionately high lead levels in their blood?

    Chicago built Cabrini Green so that poor children wouldn’t have to live in tenements with lead paint on the wall. How’d that work out?

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    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Cabrini-Green was done in by its drab brutalist design. The children who grew up in it weren't inspired to do something meaningful with their lives. If the architects don't care enough to make their buildings awe-inspiring, why should the residents care about anything? Everyone knows that white people live in better-designed buildings than black people do.

    We need to move all of the poor black families in America into fabulously-furnished apartments in trendy, eco-friendly postpostmodern skyscrapers. The kiddies will be so awed by their magnificent surroundings that they'll study even harder than the Asians. Then the blacks will take their true place as the Nubian scholars who will cure cancer and take us to Proxima Centauri.
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  9. Rifleman says:

    rethink a system that has locked up a generation of young men, particularly African-Americans.

    The SYSTEM is doing it and not actual people, disproportionately male, black, young, stupid and violent, who choose to behave in a criminal manner.

    “While crime has fallen in recent decades, the prison population has risen…”

    LOL.

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    • Replies: @D. K.
    The American population (i.e., the resident population, irrespective of status) has nearly doubled, since I was born, back in 1956-- from about 168 million to about 320 million. All other things being equal, one obviously would expect the nation's prison population to have nearly doubled. All other things, of course, have not been equal-- economically, demographically, or legally. Along with a larger portion of the youthful population being crime-prone, these days, the mandatory sentences of recent decades really have piled up the number of prisoners, in the United States:

    http://sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/inc_Trends_in_Corrections_Fact_sheet.pdf

    So, the nation's population has not quite doubled, during my lifetime, while the nation's prison population has increased about seven and a half fold! I would say that that is quite noteworthy.

    , @Rocky
    If you lock people up for longer, then even though crime goes down, the prison population still goes up; albeit at a lower rate.

    Not sure why people find this hard.
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  10. Jefferson says:

    The Left Wing media would have an orgasm of epic proportions if a Heterosexual Cisgender Stale Male police officer ended up killing a Black World War T. Can you imagine how much media attention that would get?

    The question is how many Blacks in the hood would violently riot over the death of a Black World War T? Especially since most ghetto Black males have an extreme hatred of Homosexuals because Homosexuality is seen as a beta male trait in the hood.

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  11. Tom Saw says: • Website

    I think we all know that most crime committed by non whites was just Haven Monahan’s crimes being blamed on ‘oppressed’ groups. The racist cops just ascribe it to non whites because racism.

    In fact, the chaos going on in Baltimore right now is really just Haven trying to make other races look bad.

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    "In fact, the chaos going on in Baltimore right now is really just Haven trying to make other races look bad."

    How can just 1 Human Being by himself destroy an entire section of town? Unless Haven Monohan is not Human and is actually a Mutant from the X-Men world. He was sent by Magneto to make Hussein Obama's sons look bad.
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  12. Jefferson says:
    @Tom Saw
    I think we all know that most crime committed by non whites was just Haven Monahan's crimes being blamed on 'oppressed' groups. The racist cops just ascribe it to non whites because racism.

    In fact, the chaos going on in Baltimore right now is really just Haven trying to make other races look bad.

    “In fact, the chaos going on in Baltimore right now is really just Haven trying to make other races look bad.”

    How can just 1 Human Being by himself destroy an entire section of town? Unless Haven Monohan is not Human and is actually a Mutant from the X-Men world. He was sent by Magneto to make Hussein Obama’s sons look bad.

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  13. Jefferson says:

    Can you imagine how many innocent White civilians would have died today or at least would have been severely injured during the riots if not for the very high level of residential segregation between Whites and Blacks in Baltimore city and the Baltimore metropolitan area in general. White flight saves White lives. It is a good thing there is not a high level of residential integration between Blacks and Whites in Baltimore.

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    • Replies: @John Mansfield
    When I lived there twenty years ago, the segregation was surprisingly fine-grained in some neighborhoods, but still segregated; certain blocks were white and others were black. I'm thinking particularly of the area around the old Memorial Stadium.
    , @Jack D
    This is not some lucky coincidence. The white people fled inner city Baltimore decades ago (specifically after the riots that followed MLK's death in 1968) specifically in order to get away from such violence.
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  14. Lot says:

    The new lefty buzzword is “carceral state.”

    The most cited “let’s just get rid of prisons” article is this one:

    https://nplusonemag.com/issue-13/politics/raise-the-crime-rate/

    The author is at least honest that getting rid of prisons will endanger the lives of law abiding Americans. He’s ok with that.

    “What would happen to California’s criminal community, once freed from the ping-pong of prison and parole? They would continue being criminals, in all likelihood, breaking and entering, stealing cars, selling drugs, and—very occasionally—taking lives. This would be difficult and painful, both on the individual level for the victims and on a social level more broadly; economic and cultural shocks accompany any kind of population exchange, and a massive jailbreak will likely result in a period of strain and disorganization for inner cities. Over time, though, things will settle. There will be more fathers around, and more state money for things like education and health care.”

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    • Replies: @Rob McX
    "There will be more fathers around, and more state money for things like education and health care.”

    There certainly would be more fathers around, and each of them with more offspring - you can't father children from prison.
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  15. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:
    @JDG1980
    Most of the stuff being written on these riots is silly, but when I was looking over a Slate article, I noticed something that might actually be relevant:

    Abandoned lots and unsound housing conditions were exceedingly common, with almost a quarter of all the neighborhood’s buildings standing vacant (compared with 5 percent of buildings across all of Baltimore) and the rate of lead paint violations almost four times as high as it was citywide. (According to a lawsuit filed by the Gray family against their landlord, Gray and his two sisters were all found to have “damaging lead levels in their blood.”)

     

    As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior. I'd be curious to know how Baltimore's current lead levels compare to other large cities with similar demographics, and how strongly this correlates with rates of violent crime. I get the impression that Baltimore is a lot more violent than most other big cities, but haven't looked up the numbers. What percentage of violent Baltimore thugs were raised in Baltimore slums? Has there been any systematic study to see if they have disproportionately high lead levels in their blood?

    “As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior.”

    Melanin enclosure seem to correlate better.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Not in San Jose or Edison, NJ.
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  16. D. K. says:
    @Rifleman

    rethink a system that has locked up a generation of young men, particularly African-Americans.

     

    The SYSTEM is doing it and not actual people, disproportionately male, black, young, stupid and violent, who choose to behave in a criminal manner.

    “While crime has fallen in recent decades, the prison population has risen..."
     
    LOL.

    The American population (i.e., the resident population, irrespective of status) has nearly doubled, since I was born, back in 1956– from about 168 million to about 320 million. All other things being equal, one obviously would expect the nation’s prison population to have nearly doubled. All other things, of course, have not been equal– economically, demographically, or legally. Along with a larger portion of the youthful population being crime-prone, these days, the mandatory sentences of recent decades really have piled up the number of prisoners, in the United States:

    http://sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/inc_Trends_in_Corrections_Fact_sheet.pdf

    So, the nation’s population has not quite doubled, during my lifetime, while the nation’s prison population has increased about seven and a half fold! I would say that that is quite noteworthy.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The rise in prison population is probably proportional to the increased number of blacks.
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  17. muhry says:

    Here’s a political slogan for both parties:

    Open borders, Open prisons

    After all, aren’t prison walls just another type of border? And segregating people by border or other means is discriminatory. If the borders were opened then there would be no more illegals and if the drug, rape and murder laws were relaxed then what we define as the crime rate would plummet.

    I can see it now, Jeb Bush/Hillary Clinton crying out, “Haven Monahan, tear down this wall!”

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  18. Lot says:
    @Priss Factor
    "As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior."

    Melanin enclosure seem to correlate better.

    Not in San Jose or Edison, NJ.

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  19. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Baltimore is bad for the left in two ways: it makes the soft on crime policies look foolish, and it highlights another use case for the right to bear arms (when the cops are ordered to hold back so the community can blow off steam).

    Oh, and another downside: it’s the latest evidence of the Dinkins fallacy.

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    another use case for the right to bear arms (when the cops are ordered to hold back so the community can blow off steam)

     

    One answer to this government policy of "cops don't do nuffin in riots" is local militias funded by the local Chamber of Commerce. A resident militia trained by Iraq/Afghanistan veterans funded by the local Main Street business strip could be an effective deterrent to undocumented shopping and neighborhood mayhem.
    , @Dahlia
    Exactly right.

    As the say, an armed society is a polite society. The zeitgeist is changing again and you and yours better live among people who are armed or will at least have the backs of those who are armed.

    I believe Trayvon Martin's big, youthful mistake was not realizing how much the culture changes in a 3 or 4 hours' drive. I-4, which cuts across the middle of the state and up through the Orlando/Sanford area, has the largest Confederate flag at around its starting point. Yes, when you drive south on I-75 and pass the junction with I-4, you'll be greeted by the world's largest Confederate flag.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL3eK_-HZdI

    My sister lives in Key Largo and they get criminals leaving Homestead and similar areas heading south for the pickings. I'm not that familiar with South Florida, but coming up from south of Lake Okeechobee recently, I felt like I was already back in Central Florida, culturally and ecologically, around halfway up around the lake. Born and bred in Central Florida, my sister finds it a cultural shock the amount of crime and the attitude towards self-defense.

    So, had George Zimmerman been a few hours further south, or outside of Dixie, he's much more likely to be dead, a vegetable, or alive but in jail. Had Zimmerman been even further within Dixie, there would not have been as much drama.
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  20. Jefferson says:

    Any Republican politician who runs for president on the platform that law enforcement is racist against Black males, must have a political death wish because it will definitely turn off most Republican voters who tend to be pro-law and order types. And it will turn off Deep South bible belt Republican voters even more in states like Georgia and Louisiana where they know that Black males do not exactly have a reputation for being innocent choir boys. There is a reason why Deep South Whites vote Democrat at such a low percentage and it is because they see it as the party that defends Black thuggery.

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  21. Rob McX says:
    @Lot
    The new lefty buzzword is "carceral state."

    The most cited "let's just get rid of prisons" article is this one:
    https://nplusonemag.com/issue-13/politics/raise-the-crime-rate/

    The author is at least honest that getting rid of prisons will endanger the lives of law abiding Americans. He's ok with that.

    "What would happen to California’s criminal community, once freed from the ping-pong of prison and parole? They would continue being criminals, in all likelihood, breaking and entering, stealing cars, selling drugs, and—very occasionally—taking lives. This would be difficult and painful, both on the individual level for the victims and on a social level more broadly; economic and cultural shocks accompany any kind of population exchange, and a massive jailbreak will likely result in a period of strain and disorganization for inner cities. Over time, though, things will settle. There will be more fathers around, and more state money for things like education and health care."

    ...

    “There will be more fathers around, and more state money for things like education and health care.”

    There certainly would be more fathers around, and each of them with more offspring – you can’t father children from prison.

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    There certainly would be more fathers around, and each of them with more offspring – you can’t father children from prison.
     
    Tavon White of the Black Guerrilla Family did. Four times...
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  22. @JDG1980
    Most of the stuff being written on these riots is silly, but when I was looking over a Slate article, I noticed something that might actually be relevant:

    Abandoned lots and unsound housing conditions were exceedingly common, with almost a quarter of all the neighborhood’s buildings standing vacant (compared with 5 percent of buildings across all of Baltimore) and the rate of lead paint violations almost four times as high as it was citywide. (According to a lawsuit filed by the Gray family against their landlord, Gray and his two sisters were all found to have “damaging lead levels in their blood.”)

     

    As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior. I'd be curious to know how Baltimore's current lead levels compare to other large cities with similar demographics, and how strongly this correlates with rates of violent crime. I get the impression that Baltimore is a lot more violent than most other big cities, but haven't looked up the numbers. What percentage of violent Baltimore thugs were raised in Baltimore slums? Has there been any systematic study to see if they have disproportionately high lead levels in their blood?

    I get the impression that Baltimore is a lot more violent than most other big cities, but haven’t looked up the numbers.

    This is the town that started the Stop Snitching videos.

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  23. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    Baltimore is bad for the left in two ways: it makes the soft on crime policies look foolish, and it highlights another use case for the right to bear arms (when the cops are ordered to hold back so the community can blow off steam).

    Oh, and another downside: it's the latest evidence of the Dinkins fallacy.

    another use case for the right to bear arms (when the cops are ordered to hold back so the community can blow off steam)

    One answer to this government policy of “cops don’t do nuffin in riots” is local militias funded by the local Chamber of Commerce. A resident militia trained by Iraq/Afghanistan veterans funded by the local Main Street business strip could be an effective deterrent to undocumented shopping and neighborhood mayhem.

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    • Replies: @Another Canadian

    A resident militia trained by Iraq/Afghanistan veterans funded by the local Main Street business strip could be an effective deterrent to undocumented shopping and neighborhood mayhem.
     
    Interesting. I just had coffee with an Afghan veteran who had the same opinion. His point was it's easy to defend your neighbourhood and local business strip, just become a hard target and the hoodlums will keep moving to a soft target. You don't have to destroy the rioters, just make them someone else's problem.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Sure. But then the business community might question why it should pay taxes to support the police.
    , @GW
    Ahhh yes! Anarcho-capitalism. Of course this assumes that an even more powerful organization than the local Chamber of Commerce (such as say, the White House/Justice Department/FBI/DEA/ATF/NSA conglomerate) would tolerate such a display of citizenship by locals concerned with the problems in their town. My guess is that such militias would be so scrutinized by D.C. as to be essentially useless.
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  24. “Abandoned lots and unsound housing conditions were exceedingly common, with almost a quarter of all the neighborhood’s buildings standing vacant (compared with 5 percent of buildings across all of Baltimore)”

    Where else is Marlo Stansfield supposed to stash those bodies?

    Sorry, but these Wire references never get old.

    But let me just say this: Commissioner Rawls never would have put up with this crap. But like the way the series ended, Baltimore PD is probably run by a Valchek.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    From what I've read and heard, Baltimore has a large Southern white community that didn't almost totally blend into it's surroundings like Chicago's did. I think St. Louis and Detroit are somewhere in between. Somehow Baltimore's white politicians have been Irish or Southern or Eastern European, however.
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  25. @Anonymous
    Yeah, this is pumped out from the NYT because they know what is percolating out there: nationwide exhaustion caused by black misbehavior.

    This Baltimore situation is obviously unwelcome even by Obama. Diminished returns are here and the backlash is ahead.

    I wish it was true. What backlash can we whites effectuate? The war on whites takes no prisoners and how far can white’s flight?

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  26. @Steve Sailer
    Chicago built Cabrini Green so that poor children wouldn't have to live in tenements with lead paint on the wall. How'd that work out?

    Cabrini-Green was done in by its drab brutalist design. The children who grew up in it weren’t inspired to do something meaningful with their lives. If the architects don’t care enough to make their buildings awe-inspiring, why should the residents care about anything? Everyone knows that white people live in better-designed buildings than black people do.

    We need to move all of the poor black families in America into fabulously-furnished apartments in trendy, eco-friendly postpostmodern skyscrapers. The kiddies will be so awed by their magnificent surroundings that they’ll study even harder than the Asians. Then the blacks will take their true place as the Nubian scholars who will cure cancer and take us to Proxima Centauri.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    The buildings had real non-aesthetic design flaws such as basement laundry rooms for high rises full of families with kids. My building has a basement laundry room. It is 3-story and has only a few households with one or more children, usually one. Most high rises have demographics, in terms of residents per unit, like my building, but probably with even fewer residents per unit on the average. Also the density of these projects were increased relative to the original plans by white and black politicians who wanted black people to stay put and not move into white neighborhoods, each for their own reasons; the black politicians wanted to keep control of their votes and the white politicians wanted to keep their districts white due to their own attitudes and those of their constituents.
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  27. JDG1980 says:
    @Rob McX
    "There will be more fathers around, and more state money for things like education and health care.”

    There certainly would be more fathers around, and each of them with more offspring - you can't father children from prison.

    There certainly would be more fathers around, and each of them with more offspring – you can’t father children from prison.

    Tavon White of the Black Guerrilla Family did. Four times…

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    Hampsterdam for all.

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  29. The 60′s through the 80′s were a truly horrifying time. You still read about the kind of insane violence that went on then occasionally, but it’s far rarer now.

    The middle class rebelled against the progressive criminal justice system of the time- anybody remember the Rose Bird recall?- and liberals and progressives have let it alone. They went too far, horror and chaos resulted, and they know it.

    But that was a long time ago, and people forget. The idea of sending armed robbers who commit first degree murder to prison for no more than seven years is percolating back up among the intelligentsia. The prog politicians in power aren’t picking up on it, yet- this will have to marinate for some time- but it will become a mainstream view eventually.

    If it weren’t for the riots, this would be progressing more rapidly, but spontaneous blackness reminds people of how it used to be.

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    The 60′s through the 80′s were a truly horrifying time. You still read about the kind of insane violence that went on then occasionally, but it’s far rarer now.

    The middle class rebelled against the progressive criminal justice system of the time- anybody remember the Rose Bird recall?- and liberals and progressives have let it alone. They went too far, horror and chaos resulted, and they know it.
     
    Black criminality doesn't bother me so much from where I sit; most are wanting to steal or rob and it's too rednecky here for those kinds of criminals to take those chances.

    No, it's the reprise of Ted Bundy, "Pliers" Bittaker, Henry Lee Lucas, Otis Toole, John Wayne Gacy, etc., that scares the hell out of me. I get into a mood every several months to revisit the topic of serial killers and every single time I do, I learn of some new killer or killing. This time I learned of the Happy Face Killer and the Black Dahlia (I can hear some of you on that last one; sorry, I never knew what it was. Fascinating story how it was treated an the saga of the detective trying to prove his dad, abortionist to the stars and who fled the country when the police began closing in, was the killer). My point is, there were so, so, so, SO many of these men.
    These kinds of killers seemed to begin in the late 19th century (I recently learned there was another serial killer around the time of Jack the Ripper in England!), started to pick up in the early 20th century (think Albert Fish) and hit its zenith in the 1960s-1995 period.

    I can't hardly find any of that type of serial killer among the Generation X cohort. Even when the killings were being done in the 90s, they were done by much older men.

    I wish I was more knowledgeable about the period before Jack the Ripper as the Marquis de Sade seems to be where the zeitgeist began with pathologically objectifying women and tying this to extreme violence... we gave that type of criminality his name after all!

    This is a subject that begs for better treatment. I thought Steve's Monsters of Ego article was a good start although it focused on spree shootings (there's a statistic that 10% of all serial killers were in Southern California at the apogee which psychologists saw as confirmation of their belief that ego and recognition are incredibly important to many of these men. Bittaker, in California, nicknamed himself, I believe.)
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  30. Art Deco says: • Website
    @JDG1980
    Most of the stuff being written on these riots is silly, but when I was looking over a Slate article, I noticed something that might actually be relevant:

    Abandoned lots and unsound housing conditions were exceedingly common, with almost a quarter of all the neighborhood’s buildings standing vacant (compared with 5 percent of buildings across all of Baltimore) and the rate of lead paint violations almost four times as high as it was citywide. (According to a lawsuit filed by the Gray family against their landlord, Gray and his two sisters were all found to have “damaging lead levels in their blood.”)

     

    As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior. I'd be curious to know how Baltimore's current lead levels compare to other large cities with similar demographics, and how strongly this correlates with rates of violent crime. I get the impression that Baltimore is a lot more violent than most other big cities, but haven't looked up the numbers. What percentage of violent Baltimore thugs were raised in Baltimore slums? Has there been any systematic study to see if they have disproportionately high lead levels in their blood?

    I get the impression that Baltimore is a lot more violent than most other big cities, but haven’t looked up the numbers.

    Yep. Homicide rates exceed those in New York by a factor of 8. About 30% of the population of greater Baltimore is in the Baltimore municipality, v. north of 40% for greater New York. All of the slum population is in the inner city, whereas in greater New York much is parceled out to municipalities in New Jersey. Even taking account of that, the homicide rate is still 4.5x what you’d expect given what prevails in New York. It’s rather Rube Goldbergish to posit that lead levels are the culprit. Occam’s razor suggests that the reason is that New York was governed by Rudoloph Giluliani and Baltimore was governed by Kurt (“It’s out of our control”) Schmoke.

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  31. Shawn says:

    If they want less law enforcement in their communities, that’s fine with me; it’s their choice. Maybe it would force people to be more self-reliant and might give us the polarization that we need. Time for a divorce: irreconcilable differences.

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  32. @Jefferson
    Can you imagine how many innocent White civilians would have died today or at least would have been severely injured during the riots if not for the very high level of residential segregation between Whites and Blacks in Baltimore city and the Baltimore metropolitan area in general. White flight saves White lives. It is a good thing there is not a high level of residential integration between Blacks and Whites in Baltimore.

    When I lived there twenty years ago, the segregation was surprisingly fine-grained in some neighborhoods, but still segregated; certain blocks were white and others were black. I’m thinking particularly of the area around the old Memorial Stadium.

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  33. @Anonymous

    another use case for the right to bear arms (when the cops are ordered to hold back so the community can blow off steam)

     

    One answer to this government policy of "cops don't do nuffin in riots" is local militias funded by the local Chamber of Commerce. A resident militia trained by Iraq/Afghanistan veterans funded by the local Main Street business strip could be an effective deterrent to undocumented shopping and neighborhood mayhem.

    A resident militia trained by Iraq/Afghanistan veterans funded by the local Main Street business strip could be an effective deterrent to undocumented shopping and neighborhood mayhem.

    Interesting. I just had coffee with an Afghan veteran who had the same opinion. His point was it’s easy to defend your neighbourhood and local business strip, just become a hard target and the hoodlums will keep moving to a soft target. You don’t have to destroy the rioters, just make them someone else’s problem.

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  34. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    another use case for the right to bear arms (when the cops are ordered to hold back so the community can blow off steam)

     

    One answer to this government policy of "cops don't do nuffin in riots" is local militias funded by the local Chamber of Commerce. A resident militia trained by Iraq/Afghanistan veterans funded by the local Main Street business strip could be an effective deterrent to undocumented shopping and neighborhood mayhem.

    Sure. But then the business community might question why it should pay taxes to support the police.

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  35. GW says:
    @Anonymous

    another use case for the right to bear arms (when the cops are ordered to hold back so the community can blow off steam)

     

    One answer to this government policy of "cops don't do nuffin in riots" is local militias funded by the local Chamber of Commerce. A resident militia trained by Iraq/Afghanistan veterans funded by the local Main Street business strip could be an effective deterrent to undocumented shopping and neighborhood mayhem.

    Ahhh yes! Anarcho-capitalism. Of course this assumes that an even more powerful organization than the local Chamber of Commerce (such as say, the White House/Justice Department/FBI/DEA/ATF/NSA conglomerate) would tolerate such a display of citizenship by locals concerned with the problems in their town. My guess is that such militias would be so scrutinized by D.C. as to be essentially useless.

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  36. Mr. Anon says:

    “JDG1980 says:

    As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior.”

    Everybody alive in America between the 1920s and the 1970s received lead exposure from tetraethyl-lead, which was added to gasoline. It was spewed from car tail pipes all across the land for 50 years. The people who created the computer industry, the people who sent men to the Moon, the people who created the standard model in particle physics, all grew up bathed in it. Those smart jewish kids who grew up in lower east-side tenements (presumably painted with the same lead paint as in Baltimore) and went on to take honors at Bronx Science and Columbia probably had as much environmental lead exposure as The Wire-People of Baltimore.

    Does eating lead paint chips make you stupid? Or do stupid people eat lead paint chips?

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    Toddlers eating lead paint chips off the wall was bad. But the notion that blacks got stuck with all the auto exhaust lead pollution seems bizarre. Here's a song about growing up in the Valley with a freeway running through the yard:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lWJXDG2i0A

    , @Lot
    That blood levels of lead is strongly correlated with violent and impulsive behavior and depressed IQ is very well proved.

    Also, the Manhattan Project and Apollo Program generations had much lower lead exposure than later generations. The worst exposed where those born around 1970-75, who also were the most violent generation of Americans since we have been keeping track.
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  38. There is some method to the madness of the anti-prison attitudes. America has a serious problem with prisons. As in, too many people are in prison. Something does indeed need to be done. The scary part here is that events such as these recent Baltimore riots force one to suspect that many of those in prison deserve to be in prison.

    Don’t expect things to get better soon. If rap and pornography are free speech rather than obscenity, and TV series with overtly pornographic and ultraviolent content are becoming acceptable, then we won’t see a nationwide return of norms that directly say – resorting to violence to achieve your goals is WRONG, and raising your own children together with their other parent is RIGHT. Moreover, given World War G, don’t expect to soon hear that the “traditional” (as if there is any other) family is precious, and that no amount of schooling, pre-schooling, college, indoctrination, camps, prisons, and other such things can do the job a good upbringing does. (I.e. what the Moynihan report said.)

    Expect things to get worse.

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  39. TB2 [AKA "JohnB"] says:

    Ah, the myth of the po’ black man in jail for stems’n’seeds.

    Is the Criminal-Justice System Racist?

    http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_criminal_justice_system.html

    “In the overwhelming majority of cases, whatever the race of the convicted, prison remains what it has always been: a lifetime achievement award for persistence in criminal offending. Absent recidivism or a violent crime, the criminal-justice system will do everything it can to keep you out of the state or federal slammer. It can be disconcerting for the average law-abiding citizen to hear a prosecutor’s typology of the crime universe: most thefts, for example, are considered “nonserious crimes” that do not merit prison sentences, unless they concern a huge amount of money or took place in the victim’s presence. Steal an unoccupied car or burgle an unoccupied home and you’ll probably get probation; hijack a car from a driver or stick up a pedestrian, however, and you’ll probably go to prison.

    Columbia University law professor Dan Richman had a chance to test the “harmless offenders in prison” claim as chair of New York City’s Local Conditional Release Commission. Richman studied the criminal profile of Rikers jail inmates in late 2004. Jails are supposed to be where the most “innocuous” lawbreakers end up—those with misdemeanor convictions or sentences of less than a year. “It struck me how serious the offenders were,” he says. “I’d come from the academy, where there’s persuasive writing about over-incarceration. I had assumed there would be mostly first-time offenders in jail, but it wasn’t true.” About 40 percent of the inmates had prior felony convictions, Richman discovered, and the inmates’ most recent offenses, which had put them in jail this time around, were usually serious. People in for assault would have pleaded down from attempted manslaughter; possession pleaded down from distribution. “These weren’t people who were there by accident,” says Richman.”

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  40. J1234 says:

    From the article:
    “Sentences were lengthened and new prisons sprouted up across the country.”

    This is the reason violent crime has been trending down notably over the last couple of decades. The NRA tries to say that concealed carry laws are the reason for the decline, but it’s only partially true, at best. Trying to give CC credit for reduced crime will backfire, for when the criminal class in America is released from prison through a perverse sense of social justice and crime starts to skyrocket again, guns and the NRA will likely be blamed. If you want to get the credit, you also risk taking the blame.

    CC is necessary for law abiding citizens to feel safer in a society and culture that’s collapsing, but it isn’t a law enforcement solution.

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  41. Romanian says:

    I have a question… is there anything in US laws regarding the necessity of imprisonment on national soil? Forget Guantanamo, I mean for the common, rank and file, criminal. I get that prisons are a big business, made bigger by lobbying and overly harsh sentencing for certain categories of offenses. But couldn’t the government establish prisons in Africa? They would be a boon to the local economy, which would provide manpower, construction and foodstuff, but would be a lot cheaper, a boon to international transport. Prisons would become more vibrant, especially with the addition of honest to God Africans. Contact with Africans might even scare Americans straight. Inmates could labor to build for their host countries, and guards would know that, if they ran off, they would never be able to get back to the States. Then again, they might come back like South African gangsters in Die Antwoord videos, missing their front teeth and with a taste for ritualistic sodomy.

    Also, just felt the need to add this, you won’t be getting my tourist dollars anytime soon if you let the crazies run amok.

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    Great idea, and you wouldn't really have to look too hard for them if they escaped because they'd just be in Africa without a passport. However, the prisoners would probably have a lot more moxie (at least some of them) and understanding about the world than the natives, and you might see the escapees leading uprisings. It would at least make for a good dystopic novel.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Cuba could be a low cost place to warehouse American criminals.
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  42. Dahlia says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Baltimore is bad for the left in two ways: it makes the soft on crime policies look foolish, and it highlights another use case for the right to bear arms (when the cops are ordered to hold back so the community can blow off steam).

    Oh, and another downside: it's the latest evidence of the Dinkins fallacy.

    Exactly right.

    As the say, an armed society is a polite society. The zeitgeist is changing again and you and yours better live among people who are armed or will at least have the backs of those who are armed.

    I believe Trayvon Martin’s big, youthful mistake was not realizing how much the culture changes in a 3 or 4 hours’ drive. I-4, which cuts across the middle of the state and up through the Orlando/Sanford area, has the largest Confederate flag at around its starting point. Yes, when you drive south on I-75 and pass the junction with I-4, you’ll be greeted by the world’s largest Confederate flag.

    My sister lives in Key Largo and they get criminals leaving Homestead and similar areas heading south for the pickings. I’m not that familiar with South Florida, but coming up from south of Lake Okeechobee recently, I felt like I was already back in Central Florida, culturally and ecologically, around halfway up around the lake. Born and bred in Central Florida, my sister finds it a cultural shock the amount of crime and the attitude towards self-defense.

    So, had George Zimmerman been a few hours further south, or outside of Dixie, he’s much more likely to be dead, a vegetable, or alive but in jail. Had Zimmerman been even further within Dixie, there would not have been as much drama.

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    I believe Trayvon Martin’s big, youthful mistake was not realizing how much the culture changes in a 3 or 4 hours’ drive. I-4, which cuts across the middle of the state and up through the Orlando/Sanford area, has the largest Confederate flag

    --

    Zimmerman's father was career military and one of his uncles a state trooper, but somehow a rather adipose man who had taken self-defense lessons and was regarded as a total novice by his instructor seems not the most sterling example of redneck vigor. (That aside from his mother's pardo ancestry).
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  43. MarkinLA says:
    @JDG1980
    Most of the stuff being written on these riots is silly, but when I was looking over a Slate article, I noticed something that might actually be relevant:

    Abandoned lots and unsound housing conditions were exceedingly common, with almost a quarter of all the neighborhood’s buildings standing vacant (compared with 5 percent of buildings across all of Baltimore) and the rate of lead paint violations almost four times as high as it was citywide. (According to a lawsuit filed by the Gray family against their landlord, Gray and his two sisters were all found to have “damaging lead levels in their blood.”)

     

    As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior. I'd be curious to know how Baltimore's current lead levels compare to other large cities with similar demographics, and how strongly this correlates with rates of violent crime. I get the impression that Baltimore is a lot more violent than most other big cities, but haven't looked up the numbers. What percentage of violent Baltimore thugs were raised in Baltimore slums? Has there been any systematic study to see if they have disproportionately high lead levels in their blood?

    Somehow it is always somebody else’s fault that blacks are living in slums. The blacks let them become slums through neglect. You have to paint the place every now and then. You have to replace the toilet every now and then.

    Instead of rioting or getting high why don’t the kids in the neighborhood paint and repair the old folks homes? They get valuable job skills and the neighborhood increases in value.

    As for the lead paint, it hasn’t been available for decades. If they had just painted over it 40 years ago and painted every 5-10 years or so it wouldn’t be a problem.

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  44. Art Deco says: • Website
    @JDG1980
    Most of the stuff being written on these riots is silly, but when I was looking over a Slate article, I noticed something that might actually be relevant:

    Abandoned lots and unsound housing conditions were exceedingly common, with almost a quarter of all the neighborhood’s buildings standing vacant (compared with 5 percent of buildings across all of Baltimore) and the rate of lead paint violations almost four times as high as it was citywide. (According to a lawsuit filed by the Gray family against their landlord, Gray and his two sisters were all found to have “damaging lead levels in their blood.”)

     

    As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior. I'd be curious to know how Baltimore's current lead levels compare to other large cities with similar demographics, and how strongly this correlates with rates of violent crime. I get the impression that Baltimore is a lot more violent than most other big cities, but haven't looked up the numbers. What percentage of violent Baltimore thugs were raised in Baltimore slums? Has there been any systematic study to see if they have disproportionately high lead levels in their blood?

    As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure

    He just quoted longitudinal descriptive statistics on mean lead levels and certain pathologies. Someone once wrote an article attributing changing attitudes about women in politics to the Mary Tyler Moore show. It’s a fallacy with an ancient proper name. If he wants to provide evidence toward his thesis, he’s at least have to gin up an ecological study.

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  45. Art Deco says: • Website
    @Dahlia
    Exactly right.

    As the say, an armed society is a polite society. The zeitgeist is changing again and you and yours better live among people who are armed or will at least have the backs of those who are armed.

    I believe Trayvon Martin's big, youthful mistake was not realizing how much the culture changes in a 3 or 4 hours' drive. I-4, which cuts across the middle of the state and up through the Orlando/Sanford area, has the largest Confederate flag at around its starting point. Yes, when you drive south on I-75 and pass the junction with I-4, you'll be greeted by the world's largest Confederate flag.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL3eK_-HZdI

    My sister lives in Key Largo and they get criminals leaving Homestead and similar areas heading south for the pickings. I'm not that familiar with South Florida, but coming up from south of Lake Okeechobee recently, I felt like I was already back in Central Florida, culturally and ecologically, around halfway up around the lake. Born and bred in Central Florida, my sister finds it a cultural shock the amount of crime and the attitude towards self-defense.

    So, had George Zimmerman been a few hours further south, or outside of Dixie, he's much more likely to be dead, a vegetable, or alive but in jail. Had Zimmerman been even further within Dixie, there would not have been as much drama.

    I believe Trayvon Martin’s big, youthful mistake was not realizing how much the culture changes in a 3 or 4 hours’ drive. I-4, which cuts across the middle of the state and up through the Orlando/Sanford area, has the largest Confederate flag

    Zimmerman’s father was career military and one of his uncles a state trooper, but somehow a rather adipose man who had taken self-defense lessons and was regarded as a total novice by his instructor seems not the most sterling example of redneck vigor. (That aside from his mother’s pardo ancestry).

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    I believe you may be reading something into my comment and I'm not sure what it is...

    My comment is about thinking like a criminal when evaluating risks.
    I live not all that far from Sanford. A local criminal, of any race, would be extremely unlikely to seek out an altercation with a strange adult man here: fat, ugly, short, out-of-shape, whatever: too many of them have guns. Not only that, a local criminal, or any body with a thought in their head, would never have been looking in windows of strange houses in the rain and at a time when so many people are home because they would be all too aware of how it looks and especially all too aware of people being proactive.

    Also, a good many of the Hispanics are acculturating to the redneck norm here. My husband was just complaining about this (he despises rednecks) this past Sunday as he got blocked in in a parking lot by two ginormous trucks, one even with the spikes coming out of the rims.
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  46. @Romanian
    I have a question... is there anything in US laws regarding the necessity of imprisonment on national soil? Forget Guantanamo, I mean for the common, rank and file, criminal. I get that prisons are a big business, made bigger by lobbying and overly harsh sentencing for certain categories of offenses. But couldn't the government establish prisons in Africa? They would be a boon to the local economy, which would provide manpower, construction and foodstuff, but would be a lot cheaper, a boon to international transport. Prisons would become more vibrant, especially with the addition of honest to God Africans. Contact with Africans might even scare Americans straight. Inmates could labor to build for their host countries, and guards would know that, if they ran off, they would never be able to get back to the States. Then again, they might come back like South African gangsters in Die Antwoord videos, missing their front teeth and with a taste for ritualistic sodomy.

    Also, just felt the need to add this, you won't be getting my tourist dollars anytime soon if you let the crazies run amok.

    Great idea, and you wouldn’t really have to look too hard for them if they escaped because they’d just be in Africa without a passport. However, the prisoners would probably have a lot more moxie (at least some of them) and understanding about the world than the natives, and you might see the escapees leading uprisings. It would at least make for a good dystopic novel.

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    I lol at that. You think some gangbanger from the States with a silly name is going to be a better criminal than a similar gangbanger from Africa? The continent of Joseph Kony, child soldiers and an endless stream of unrecorded atrocities going back to the beginning of time, with no civilization to break things up? Before attacking a village, General Buttnaked would grab a vibrant youth from the street, kill him, cut out his heart, drink his blood and eat the heart, after which, being invincible, he'd storm the place naked. And win. He left that career after a phone call with God, who told him that stuff wasn't ok anymore. I'm serious. People believed him. He's a minister and living in peace. The US' undoubted material wealth has spawned soft rebels, people who just posture and act gangsta in front of scared whites and the cameras. They can't hold a candle to the Africans. Might do them good to see what their forefathers saved them from.
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  47. Dahlia says:
    @Thrasymachus
    The 60's through the 80's were a truly horrifying time. You still read about the kind of insane violence that went on then occasionally, but it's far rarer now.

    The middle class rebelled against the progressive criminal justice system of the time- anybody remember the Rose Bird recall?- and liberals and progressives have let it alone. They went too far, horror and chaos resulted, and they know it.

    But that was a long time ago, and people forget. The idea of sending armed robbers who commit first degree murder to prison for no more than seven years is percolating back up among the intelligentsia. The prog politicians in power aren't picking up on it, yet- this will have to marinate for some time- but it will become a mainstream view eventually.

    If it weren't for the riots, this would be progressing more rapidly, but spontaneous blackness reminds people of how it used to be.

    The 60′s through the 80′s were a truly horrifying time. You still read about the kind of insane violence that went on then occasionally, but it’s far rarer now.

    The middle class rebelled against the progressive criminal justice system of the time- anybody remember the Rose Bird recall?- and liberals and progressives have let it alone. They went too far, horror and chaos resulted, and they know it.

    Black criminality doesn’t bother me so much from where I sit; most are wanting to steal or rob and it’s too rednecky here for those kinds of criminals to take those chances.

    No, it’s the reprise of Ted Bundy, “Pliers” Bittaker, Henry Lee Lucas, Otis Toole, John Wayne Gacy, etc., that scares the hell out of me. I get into a mood every several months to revisit the topic of serial killers and every single time I do, I learn of some new killer or killing. This time I learned of the Happy Face Killer and the Black Dahlia (I can hear some of you on that last one; sorry, I never knew what it was. Fascinating story how it was treated an the saga of the detective trying to prove his dad, abortionist to the stars and who fled the country when the police began closing in, was the killer). My point is, there were so, so, so, SO many of these men.
    These kinds of killers seemed to begin in the late 19th century (I recently learned there was another serial killer around the time of Jack the Ripper in England!), started to pick up in the early 20th century (think Albert Fish) and hit its zenith in the 1960s-1995 period.

    I can’t hardly find any of that type of serial killer among the Generation X cohort. Even when the killings were being done in the 90s, they were done by much older men.

    I wish I was more knowledgeable about the period before Jack the Ripper as the Marquis de Sade seems to be where the zeitgeist began with pathologically objectifying women and tying this to extreme violence… we gave that type of criminality his name after all!

    This is a subject that begs for better treatment. I thought Steve’s Monsters of Ego article was a good start although it focused on spree shootings (there’s a statistic that 10% of all serial killers were in Southern California at the apogee which psychologists saw as confirmation of their belief that ego and recognition are incredibly important to many of these men. Bittaker, in California, nicknamed himself, I believe.)

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    @Dahlia

    Do you not at least find it curious that the sudden revelation of so many serial killers about just happened to coincide with rapid advancements in law enforcement techniques?

    They were always there, the public was just blissfully unaware.
    , @Steve Sailer
    The LAPD admitted recently there were five, maybe seven, serial killers active in South Central LA during the Crack Years who killed about 100 women, mostly prostitutes. And they had never even noticed them at the time.
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  48. Rocky says:
    @Rifleman

    rethink a system that has locked up a generation of young men, particularly African-Americans.

     

    The SYSTEM is doing it and not actual people, disproportionately male, black, young, stupid and violent, who choose to behave in a criminal manner.

    “While crime has fallen in recent decades, the prison population has risen..."
     
    LOL.

    If you lock people up for longer, then even though crime goes down, the prison population still goes up; albeit at a lower rate.

    Not sure why people find this hard.

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  49. Whiskey says: • Website

    Oh, the NYT is correct. Because of the Demographics. Whites are now a minority in California. Functionally, Whites are a minority nationally because over 50% of infants born in the past few years have been non-Whites. Voting? In many places Whites are again functionally a minority because the Democratic/Managerial Elite formula has been: Elite “SuperZip” Whites money plus non-Whites votes = victory.

    The push to let criminals out of jail is just a push for non-Whites to let their relatives out by pure demographic power. Nothing more or less.

    And lets be realistic — it WILL be successful because non-Whites are again, a functional or actual majority in most places. Those places where they are not: Portlandia, Austin, etc. are highly SWPL uber Super Zip and thus happy to oblige to stick it to working/middle class Whites.

    The result however is likely to be White Internal Secession. Something akin to Communist Bloc angry compliance with the form of demands, with Whites simply withdrawing to the Internet, Amazon, etc. and being even more exclusive with likely large scale “criminality” (not in the sense of creating stick-up robberies, but not obeying laws when there is low probability and risk of being caught). What do you think the Maker Gun-Printing movement is all about?

    There has NEVER EVER BEEN before, a White majority suddenly made into a minority, ruled by non-Whites, and expected to support a poor but ruling non-White majority while accepting second class status. Even during Turkish rule in the Balkans, the Turks had massive resources from outside the Balkans to conquer and rule in the manner of Ghenghis Khan or Attila. Not this. This is entirely new territory.

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  50. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @D. K.
    The American population (i.e., the resident population, irrespective of status) has nearly doubled, since I was born, back in 1956-- from about 168 million to about 320 million. All other things being equal, one obviously would expect the nation's prison population to have nearly doubled. All other things, of course, have not been equal-- economically, demographically, or legally. Along with a larger portion of the youthful population being crime-prone, these days, the mandatory sentences of recent decades really have piled up the number of prisoners, in the United States:

    http://sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/inc_Trends_in_Corrections_Fact_sheet.pdf

    So, the nation's population has not quite doubled, during my lifetime, while the nation's prison population has increased about seven and a half fold! I would say that that is quite noteworthy.

    The rise in prison population is probably proportional to the increased number of blacks.

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  51. Bill says:
    @Nathan Wartooth
    "While crime has fallen in recent decades, the prison population has risen, although it has plateaued in recent years"

    Impossible. You have to be charged with a crime to go to jail. Unless they are trying to say that they are just throwing random people in jail.

    "Mr. Walker took a more traditionally Republican view by focusing on the impact on crime victims and advocating drug testing in workplaces to head off drug crimes. "

    You know what really helps drug addicts? Getting them fired from their jobs! Genius.

    "Mr. Rubio made clear that he opposes legalizing drugs but that disagreement on the issue should not stop broader changes."

    Maybe if we get Hispanics to start holding marches for legalizing weed, Mr. Rubio will get to work. Wait, I think through my sarcasm, I just came up with a great idea. If you can get Hispanics to start pushing an issue and claim that this is how you can get their vote, you can make puppets out of the Republicans.

    “While crime has fallen in recent decades, the prison population has risen, although it has plateaued in recent years”

    Impossible. You have to be charged with a crime to go to jail. Unless they are trying to say that they are just throwing random people in jail.

    Convictions = Population * Crime Rate * Arrest Rate * Conviction Rate. Convictions can go up even though crime rate is going down. Prison population is even more complicated. It is a stock while convictions is a flow (google stock vs flow if that does not make sense to you). So prison population can continue to rise for years after convictions has started to fall.

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  52. @Dahlia

    The 60′s through the 80′s were a truly horrifying time. You still read about the kind of insane violence that went on then occasionally, but it’s far rarer now.

    The middle class rebelled against the progressive criminal justice system of the time- anybody remember the Rose Bird recall?- and liberals and progressives have let it alone. They went too far, horror and chaos resulted, and they know it.
     
    Black criminality doesn't bother me so much from where I sit; most are wanting to steal or rob and it's too rednecky here for those kinds of criminals to take those chances.

    No, it's the reprise of Ted Bundy, "Pliers" Bittaker, Henry Lee Lucas, Otis Toole, John Wayne Gacy, etc., that scares the hell out of me. I get into a mood every several months to revisit the topic of serial killers and every single time I do, I learn of some new killer or killing. This time I learned of the Happy Face Killer and the Black Dahlia (I can hear some of you on that last one; sorry, I never knew what it was. Fascinating story how it was treated an the saga of the detective trying to prove his dad, abortionist to the stars and who fled the country when the police began closing in, was the killer). My point is, there were so, so, so, SO many of these men.
    These kinds of killers seemed to begin in the late 19th century (I recently learned there was another serial killer around the time of Jack the Ripper in England!), started to pick up in the early 20th century (think Albert Fish) and hit its zenith in the 1960s-1995 period.

    I can't hardly find any of that type of serial killer among the Generation X cohort. Even when the killings were being done in the 90s, they were done by much older men.

    I wish I was more knowledgeable about the period before Jack the Ripper as the Marquis de Sade seems to be where the zeitgeist began with pathologically objectifying women and tying this to extreme violence... we gave that type of criminality his name after all!

    This is a subject that begs for better treatment. I thought Steve's Monsters of Ego article was a good start although it focused on spree shootings (there's a statistic that 10% of all serial killers were in Southern California at the apogee which psychologists saw as confirmation of their belief that ego and recognition are incredibly important to many of these men. Bittaker, in California, nicknamed himself, I believe.)

    Do you not at least find it curious that the sudden revelation of so many serial killers about just happened to coincide with rapid advancements in law enforcement techniques?

    They were always there, the public was just blissfully unaware.

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    "They [serial killers] were always there, the public was just blissfully unaware."

    Maybe, maybe not. Bill James read a few hundred true crime books and published a book on "Popular Crime." It's not terribly good, but James' opinions on things are worth noting even when he doesn't have good quantitative data. His view is there was a major increase in serial killers in 1965-1980, roughly because The Sixties.
    , @Dahlia
    Like I said, I don't know much about the period between de Sade and Jack the Ripper. Perhaps there is nothing to tell. Or a lot.

    Better detective work doesn't explain the absence of killers among Gen X, and now the millenials, though, which is extremely shocking to me.

    Awhile back I was discussing this with Agnostic at his blog when I said that I believed the Silent Generation had supplied the most murderers and he suggested I dig in more which I did. The Baby Boomers supplied a very generous share of these killers. A more quantitative person could do a much better comparison.

    I think I found only one Xer. And I believe he was British. Thing is, Black Dahlia and sexual sadistic killings were happening before "the 60s" in a way that they just aren't happening since the late 90s.

    What's more, aging in or out doesn't explain the dearth. When these crimes persisted into the 90s, the perps were older men. But most of the crimes took place when this generation of men were in their prime: 60s-80s and exacerbated by the numbers of the baby boomers.
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  53. Marissa says:

    Indeed, it would be interesting to hear Steve comment more on serial killers, especially the nearly 900 known female serial killers.

    http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/p/index-female-serial-killers.html

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  54. Bert says:

    The hilarious thing about Cabrini Green is that it was built with working-class Italian locals in mind. Once a few ghetto denizens moved in, however, it didn’t take long for it to spiral into the dystopia it was famous for. And it took the entire neighborhood with it.

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    Now the area's being yuppieized with a provision for a certain percentage of affordable units.
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  55. @TB2
    Ah, the myth of the po' black man in jail for stems'n'seeds.

    Is the Criminal-Justice System Racist?

    http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_criminal_justice_system.html


    "In the overwhelming majority of cases, whatever the race of the convicted, prison remains what it has always been: a lifetime achievement award for persistence in criminal offending. Absent recidivism or a violent crime, the criminal-justice system will do everything it can to keep you out of the state or federal slammer. It can be disconcerting for the average law-abiding citizen to hear a prosecutor’s typology of the crime universe: most thefts, for example, are considered “nonserious crimes” that do not merit prison sentences, unless they concern a huge amount of money or took place in the victim’s presence. Steal an unoccupied car or burgle an unoccupied home and you’ll probably get probation; hijack a car from a driver or stick up a pedestrian, however, and you’ll probably go to prison.

    Columbia University law professor Dan Richman had a chance to test the “harmless offenders in prison” claim as chair of New York City’s Local Conditional Release Commission. Richman studied the criminal profile of Rikers jail inmates in late 2004. Jails are supposed to be where the most “innocuous” lawbreakers end up—those with misdemeanor convictions or sentences of less than a year. “It struck me how serious the offenders were,” he says. “I’d come from the academy, where there’s persuasive writing about over-incarceration. I had assumed there would be mostly first-time offenders in jail, but it wasn’t true.” About 40 percent of the inmates had prior felony convictions, Richman discovered, and the inmates’ most recent offenses, which had put them in jail this time around, were usually serious. People in for assault would have pleaded down from attempted manslaughter; possession pleaded down from distribution. “These weren’t people who were there by accident,” says Richman."

    “Thank God for penitentiaries.” — Richard Pryor

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  56. @Mr. Anon
    "JDG1980 says:

    As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior."

    Everybody alive in America between the 1920s and the 1970s received lead exposure from tetraethyl-lead, which was added to gasoline. It was spewed from car tail pipes all across the land for 50 years. The people who created the computer industry, the people who sent men to the Moon, the people who created the standard model in particle physics, all grew up bathed in it. Those smart jewish kids who grew up in lower east-side tenements (presumably painted with the same lead paint as in Baltimore) and went on to take honors at Bronx Science and Columbia probably had as much environmental lead exposure as The Wire-People of Baltimore.

    Does eating lead paint chips make you stupid? Or do stupid people eat lead paint chips?

    Toddlers eating lead paint chips off the wall was bad. But the notion that blacks got stuck with all the auto exhaust lead pollution seems bizarre. Here’s a song about growing up in the Valley with a freeway running through the yard:

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    Sherman Oaks, CA, where the Petty video was filmed around 1990 and where I went to school from 1964-1976, had the highest freeway traffic in America during the lead gasoline era of the 1960s and 1970s, due to the backed up 101-405 interchange just north of Ventura Blvd.

    That might explain a few things, not that I think about it ...
    , @Dahlia
    Petty is so good looking in that video. I remember watching it often when I was young.

    He's a Florida boy, born and raised. He left for California sometime as an adult, but don't know when. I'm *very* familiar with where he grew up. Cool that he is neither redneck nor has he ever seemed bitter about them, despite being surrounded by them during his childhood (most people have strong feelings, good or bad). I've heard him discuss his appreciation for country music and is sensitive to the soulfulness (or lack thereof) in it.
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  57. @Steve Sailer
    Toddlers eating lead paint chips off the wall was bad. But the notion that blacks got stuck with all the auto exhaust lead pollution seems bizarre. Here's a song about growing up in the Valley with a freeway running through the yard:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lWJXDG2i0A

    Sherman Oaks, CA, where the Petty video was filmed around 1990 and where I went to school from 1964-1976, had the highest freeway traffic in America during the lead gasoline era of the 1960s and 1970s, due to the backed up 101-405 interchange just north of Ventura Blvd.

    That might explain a few things, not that I think about it …

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  58. @Ozymandias
    @Dahlia

    Do you not at least find it curious that the sudden revelation of so many serial killers about just happened to coincide with rapid advancements in law enforcement techniques?

    They were always there, the public was just blissfully unaware.

    “They [serial killers] were always there, the public was just blissfully unaware.”

    Maybe, maybe not. Bill James read a few hundred true crime books and published a book on “Popular Crime.” It’s not terribly good, but James’ opinions on things are worth noting even when he doesn’t have good quantitative data. His view is there was a major increase in serial killers in 1965-1980, roughly because The Sixties.

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    I do recall you mentioning him before. You should do a post on it to the best of your memory.

    Btw, here is a great blog by Bob Dekle, A Retired Prosecutor's Random Thoughts, whose posts are so riveting and crazy that you have to watch out that you don't lose an afternoon or even day binge-reading. You even have to read the seemingly mundane posts because he so often will reminisce within and the next thing you know you're reading the craziest story.

    Mr. Dekle is most famous for being the prosecutor of Ted Bundy for the murder of Kimberly Leach, his last victim, for which he received the death penalty.
    He revisits the case, and especially the psychology of Bundy often.

    www.bobdekle.blogspot.com

    , @Dahlia
    Went looking for what you had written about Bill James. You did review that book after all for Vdare... d'oh! A Statistician's Imprecise Analysis of True Crime.

    The quip about typical readers responding in a liberal fashion to the assertion that most serial killers are ugly: so true. On the other hand, they're often caught well past their prime.

    I listened recently to an interview with Bob Dekle in relation to his book about Bundy.
    He was asked why was Ted Bundy the most famous of them all despite his murder spree being seemingly identical to others. Dekle responded, in order:
    1. He was good-looking*
    2. He was of above average intelligence and in the criminal world, that made him a genius (his words).
    3. His many victims were sweet, regular women who were just living their lives.

    *This is one thing to be truly grateful for, a rare blessing. A lot of these guys believed that their ticket to fame resided in being the most sadistic. I can't imagine living in a world where some wannabe serial killer asks himself what he has to do to be worse than Albert Fish in order to be the most famous of them all.
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  59. @Dahlia

    The 60′s through the 80′s were a truly horrifying time. You still read about the kind of insane violence that went on then occasionally, but it’s far rarer now.

    The middle class rebelled against the progressive criminal justice system of the time- anybody remember the Rose Bird recall?- and liberals and progressives have let it alone. They went too far, horror and chaos resulted, and they know it.
     
    Black criminality doesn't bother me so much from where I sit; most are wanting to steal or rob and it's too rednecky here for those kinds of criminals to take those chances.

    No, it's the reprise of Ted Bundy, "Pliers" Bittaker, Henry Lee Lucas, Otis Toole, John Wayne Gacy, etc., that scares the hell out of me. I get into a mood every several months to revisit the topic of serial killers and every single time I do, I learn of some new killer or killing. This time I learned of the Happy Face Killer and the Black Dahlia (I can hear some of you on that last one; sorry, I never knew what it was. Fascinating story how it was treated an the saga of the detective trying to prove his dad, abortionist to the stars and who fled the country when the police began closing in, was the killer). My point is, there were so, so, so, SO many of these men.
    These kinds of killers seemed to begin in the late 19th century (I recently learned there was another serial killer around the time of Jack the Ripper in England!), started to pick up in the early 20th century (think Albert Fish) and hit its zenith in the 1960s-1995 period.

    I can't hardly find any of that type of serial killer among the Generation X cohort. Even when the killings were being done in the 90s, they were done by much older men.

    I wish I was more knowledgeable about the period before Jack the Ripper as the Marquis de Sade seems to be where the zeitgeist began with pathologically objectifying women and tying this to extreme violence... we gave that type of criminality his name after all!

    This is a subject that begs for better treatment. I thought Steve's Monsters of Ego article was a good start although it focused on spree shootings (there's a statistic that 10% of all serial killers were in Southern California at the apogee which psychologists saw as confirmation of their belief that ego and recognition are incredibly important to many of these men. Bittaker, in California, nicknamed himself, I believe.)

    The LAPD admitted recently there were five, maybe seven, serial killers active in South Central LA during the Crack Years who killed about 100 women, mostly prostitutes. And they had never even noticed them at the time.

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  60. Dahlia says:
    @Art Deco
    I believe Trayvon Martin’s big, youthful mistake was not realizing how much the culture changes in a 3 or 4 hours’ drive. I-4, which cuts across the middle of the state and up through the Orlando/Sanford area, has the largest Confederate flag

    --

    Zimmerman's father was career military and one of his uncles a state trooper, but somehow a rather adipose man who had taken self-defense lessons and was regarded as a total novice by his instructor seems not the most sterling example of redneck vigor. (That aside from his mother's pardo ancestry).

    I believe you may be reading something into my comment and I’m not sure what it is…

    My comment is about thinking like a criminal when evaluating risks.
    I live not all that far from Sanford. A local criminal, of any race, would be extremely unlikely to seek out an altercation with a strange adult man here: fat, ugly, short, out-of-shape, whatever: too many of them have guns. Not only that, a local criminal, or any body with a thought in their head, would never have been looking in windows of strange houses in the rain and at a time when so many people are home because they would be all too aware of how it looks and especially all too aware of people being proactive.

    Also, a good many of the Hispanics are acculturating to the redneck norm here. My husband was just complaining about this (he despises rednecks) this past Sunday as he got blocked in in a parking lot by two ginormous trucks, one even with the spikes coming out of the rims.

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    "one even with the spikes coming out of the rims."

    What's the deal with hubcaps with spikes coming out of them? Is this a tribute to the chariot racing scene in "Ben Hur?"
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  61. Dahlia says:
    @Ozymandias
    @Dahlia

    Do you not at least find it curious that the sudden revelation of so many serial killers about just happened to coincide with rapid advancements in law enforcement techniques?

    They were always there, the public was just blissfully unaware.

    Like I said, I don’t know much about the period between de Sade and Jack the Ripper. Perhaps there is nothing to tell. Or a lot.

    Better detective work doesn’t explain the absence of killers among Gen X, and now the millenials, though, which is extremely shocking to me.

    Awhile back I was discussing this with Agnostic at his blog when I said that I believed the Silent Generation had supplied the most murderers and he suggested I dig in more which I did. The Baby Boomers supplied a very generous share of these killers. A more quantitative person could do a much better comparison.

    I think I found only one Xer. And I believe he was British. Thing is, Black Dahlia and sexual sadistic killings were happening before “the 60s” in a way that they just aren’t happening since the late 90s.

    What’s more, aging in or out doesn’t explain the dearth. When these crimes persisted into the 90s, the perps were older men. But most of the crimes took place when this generation of men were in their prime: 60s-80s and exacerbated by the numbers of the baby boomers.

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  62. @Dahlia
    I believe you may be reading something into my comment and I'm not sure what it is...

    My comment is about thinking like a criminal when evaluating risks.
    I live not all that far from Sanford. A local criminal, of any race, would be extremely unlikely to seek out an altercation with a strange adult man here: fat, ugly, short, out-of-shape, whatever: too many of them have guns. Not only that, a local criminal, or any body with a thought in their head, would never have been looking in windows of strange houses in the rain and at a time when so many people are home because they would be all too aware of how it looks and especially all too aware of people being proactive.

    Also, a good many of the Hispanics are acculturating to the redneck norm here. My husband was just complaining about this (he despises rednecks) this past Sunday as he got blocked in in a parking lot by two ginormous trucks, one even with the spikes coming out of the rims.

    “one even with the spikes coming out of the rims.”

    What’s the deal with hubcaps with spikes coming out of them? Is this a tribute to the chariot racing scene in “Ben Hur?”

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    Ha, ha, ha!

    It's all about being Badass! that's been going on for the last 6-8 years (Dear God, when will it be over?!) And I see it affecting most everyone in the culture from young women idolizing Marilyn Monroe to hipsters getting tatted up to suburban dads taking their little boys and girls to gun ranges.

    I got majorly coal-rolled by a particular nasty piece of work about a year or so ago who had the super huge truck (but not monster, those guys are actually more on the fun, light-hearted side), black-tinted windows, spiked rims, profanity written on the back window. The single worst driving redneck I've ever seen in my life.
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  63. @Romanian
    I have a question... is there anything in US laws regarding the necessity of imprisonment on national soil? Forget Guantanamo, I mean for the common, rank and file, criminal. I get that prisons are a big business, made bigger by lobbying and overly harsh sentencing for certain categories of offenses. But couldn't the government establish prisons in Africa? They would be a boon to the local economy, which would provide manpower, construction and foodstuff, but would be a lot cheaper, a boon to international transport. Prisons would become more vibrant, especially with the addition of honest to God Africans. Contact with Africans might even scare Americans straight. Inmates could labor to build for their host countries, and guards would know that, if they ran off, they would never be able to get back to the States. Then again, they might come back like South African gangsters in Die Antwoord videos, missing their front teeth and with a taste for ritualistic sodomy.

    Also, just felt the need to add this, you won't be getting my tourist dollars anytime soon if you let the crazies run amok.

    Cuba could be a low cost place to warehouse American criminals.

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    Yeah, but you should reserve Cuba for tourism. Having a huge Supermax prison there is going to deter the beautiful people on the beach. The thing with prisons is that they're pretty easy to set up,. because they're so top down. Tourism is something the whole population can get into and benefit from, but a prison is like an oil field - just the workers and the product, minimal input required from the people around. Now, Haiti is right around the corner :D (the Dominicans owe you) and they could surely use the cash. Africa is still the best if you want to keep your people very far away, not disturb anyone civilized or who you'll need and maybe even avoid having some of them come home.
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  64. Romanian says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Cuba could be a low cost place to warehouse American criminals.

    Yeah, but you should reserve Cuba for tourism. Having a huge Supermax prison there is going to deter the beautiful people on the beach. The thing with prisons is that they’re pretty easy to set up,. because they’re so top down. Tourism is something the whole population can get into and benefit from, but a prison is like an oil field – just the workers and the product, minimal input required from the people around. Now, Haiti is right around the corner :D (the Dominicans owe you) and they could surely use the cash. Africa is still the best if you want to keep your people very far away, not disturb anyone civilized or who you’ll need and maybe even avoid having some of them come home.

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  65. Romanian says:
    @BurplesonAFB
    Great idea, and you wouldn't really have to look too hard for them if they escaped because they'd just be in Africa without a passport. However, the prisoners would probably have a lot more moxie (at least some of them) and understanding about the world than the natives, and you might see the escapees leading uprisings. It would at least make for a good dystopic novel.

    I lol at that. You think some gangbanger from the States with a silly name is going to be a better criminal than a similar gangbanger from Africa? The continent of Joseph Kony, child soldiers and an endless stream of unrecorded atrocities going back to the beginning of time, with no civilization to break things up? Before attacking a village, General Buttnaked would grab a vibrant youth from the street, kill him, cut out his heart, drink his blood and eat the heart, after which, being invincible, he’d storm the place naked. And win. He left that career after a phone call with God, who told him that stuff wasn’t ok anymore. I’m serious. People believed him. He’s a minister and living in peace. The US’ undoubted material wealth has spawned soft rebels, people who just posture and act gangsta in front of scared whites and the cameras. They can’t hold a candle to the Africans. Might do them good to see what their forefathers saved them from.

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  66. Jack D says:
    @Jefferson
    Can you imagine how many innocent White civilians would have died today or at least would have been severely injured during the riots if not for the very high level of residential segregation between Whites and Blacks in Baltimore city and the Baltimore metropolitan area in general. White flight saves White lives. It is a good thing there is not a high level of residential integration between Blacks and Whites in Baltimore.

    This is not some lucky coincidence. The white people fled inner city Baltimore decades ago (specifically after the riots that followed MLK’s death in 1968) specifically in order to get away from such violence.

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  67. Dahlia says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "one even with the spikes coming out of the rims."

    What's the deal with hubcaps with spikes coming out of them? Is this a tribute to the chariot racing scene in "Ben Hur?"

    Ha, ha, ha!

    It’s all about being Badass! that’s been going on for the last 6-8 years (Dear God, when will it be over?!) And I see it affecting most everyone in the culture from young women idolizing Marilyn Monroe to hipsters getting tatted up to suburban dads taking their little boys and girls to gun ranges.

    I got majorly coal-rolled by a particular nasty piece of work about a year or so ago who had the super huge truck (but not monster, those guys are actually more on the fun, light-hearted side), black-tinted windows, spiked rims, profanity written on the back window. The single worst driving redneck I’ve ever seen in my life.

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  68. Marc says:
    @JDG1980
    Most of the stuff being written on these riots is silly, but when I was looking over a Slate article, I noticed something that might actually be relevant:

    Abandoned lots and unsound housing conditions were exceedingly common, with almost a quarter of all the neighborhood’s buildings standing vacant (compared with 5 percent of buildings across all of Baltimore) and the rate of lead paint violations almost four times as high as it was citywide. (According to a lawsuit filed by the Gray family against their landlord, Gray and his two sisters were all found to have “damaging lead levels in their blood.”)

     

    As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior. I'd be curious to know how Baltimore's current lead levels compare to other large cities with similar demographics, and how strongly this correlates with rates of violent crime. I get the impression that Baltimore is a lot more violent than most other big cities, but haven't looked up the numbers. What percentage of violent Baltimore thugs were raised in Baltimore slums? Has there been any systematic study to see if they have disproportionately high lead levels in their blood?

    Lead paint is the modern manifestation of the “deteriorating schools” reasoning used to explain black scholastic under-achievement back in the 1980′s. Now that the urban schools across the country have been largely renovated with state-of-the-art facilities, it’s glaringly obvious that the buildings and old text books were not the root cause.

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  69. Dahlia says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "They [serial killers] were always there, the public was just blissfully unaware."

    Maybe, maybe not. Bill James read a few hundred true crime books and published a book on "Popular Crime." It's not terribly good, but James' opinions on things are worth noting even when he doesn't have good quantitative data. His view is there was a major increase in serial killers in 1965-1980, roughly because The Sixties.

    I do recall you mentioning him before. You should do a post on it to the best of your memory.

    Btw, here is a great blog by Bob Dekle, A Retired Prosecutor’s Random Thoughts, whose posts are so riveting and crazy that you have to watch out that you don’t lose an afternoon or even day binge-reading. You even have to read the seemingly mundane posts because he so often will reminisce within and the next thing you know you’re reading the craziest story.

    Mr. Dekle is most famous for being the prosecutor of Ted Bundy for the murder of Kimberly Leach, his last victim, for which he received the death penalty.
    He revisits the case, and especially the psychology of Bundy often.

    http://www.bobdekle.blogspot.com

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  70. Somewhat OT:

    How far back does the “All movie crooks are white” meme go?

    The other day I happened to catch Neil Simon’s The Out-of-Towners (1970) on one of the premium movie channels. The flick depicts the harrowing misadventures of a vacationing Ohio couple (Jack Lemmon and Sandy Dennis) who end up lost, penniless, and destitute on the mean streets of a crime-ridden, garbage-strewn, utterly-dysfunctional New York City.

    Can you guess the race of each and every criminal in the movie? I’ll bet you can. It’s like RoboCop, set in a robotless Noo Yawk.

    In fact, the only black character in the movie is an airline employee (played by future Solo-traitor Billy Dee Williams) who remains stoic in the face of Lemmon’s kvetching about lost luggage.

    By the way, you’re right about Simon’s not being all that funny – I barely laughed at all. The one scene that amused me was the one where a desperate Lemmon, in a sudden burst of inspiration, decides to rifle through the pockets of a sad little Puerto Rican boy he and his wife have found wandering alone in Central Park. Lemmon takes the boy behind some bushes. A woman sees him, assumes that he is a pedophile, and begins screaming, “Pervert in the park! Pervert in the park!” What makes the scene funny is that it takes place off-screen – we see only Sandy Dennis, sitting on a bench, mugging various “WTF?” expressions until her husband runs out from behind the bushes and drags her away.

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  71. Corvinus says:

    “Can you imagine how many innocent White civilians would have died today or at least would have been severely injured during the riots if not for the very high level of residential segregation between Whites and Blacks in Baltimore city and the Baltimore metropolitan area in general.”


    Yes, few. As if middle class black youth in those neighborhoods would have been cracking white skulls with their school books.

    
“White flight saves White lives. It is a good thing there is not a high level of residential integration between Blacks and Whites in Baltimore.”

    Lives in general. Not black, not white.

    “But couldn’t the government establish prisons in Africa? They would be a boon to the local economy, which would provide manpower, construction and foodstuff, but would be a lot cheaper, a boon to international transport. Prisons would become more vibrant, especially with the addition of honest to God Africans. Contact with Africans might even scare Americans straight.”

    Thanks for the parody. I mean, it is parody, right? You can’t be that ignorant…

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    "Yes, few. As if middle class black youth in those neighborhoods would have been cracking white skulls with their school books."

    What school books? Baltimore has some of the worst performing public schools in the country. I doubt a high percentage of Black public school students in Baltimore are reading many books.
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  72. Mr. Anon says:

    “Stan Adams says:

    April 28, 2015 at 11:41 pm GMT • 300 Words

    The other day I happened to catch Neil Simon’s The Out-of-Towners (1970) on one of the premium movie channels.”

    I saw it too. I remember seeing it years ago when I was a kid and thinking what a dump New York must have been. Upon seeing it now I could only think how civilized everything looked – men and women dressed properly, waiters and baggage clerks wearing ties, cabbies who were Americans, etc.

    I agree, it wasn’t a knockdown funny movie, but I found it somewhat amusing. The ending did elicit a big chuckle from me.

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  73. Dahlia says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Toddlers eating lead paint chips off the wall was bad. But the notion that blacks got stuck with all the auto exhaust lead pollution seems bizarre. Here's a song about growing up in the Valley with a freeway running through the yard:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lWJXDG2i0A

    Petty is so good looking in that video. I remember watching it often when I was young.

    He’s a Florida boy, born and raised. He left for California sometime as an adult, but don’t know when. I’m *very* familiar with where he grew up. Cool that he is neither redneck nor has he ever seemed bitter about them, despite being surrounded by them during his childhood (most people have strong feelings, good or bad). I’ve heard him discuss his appreciation for country music and is sensitive to the soulfulness (or lack thereof) in it.

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  74. Hibernian says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    "Abandoned lots and unsound housing conditions were exceedingly common, with almost a quarter of all the neighborhood’s buildings standing vacant (compared with 5 percent of buildings across all of Baltimore)"

    Where else is Marlo Stansfield supposed to stash those bodies?

    Sorry, but these Wire references never get old.

    But let me just say this: Commissioner Rawls never would have put up with this crap. But like the way the series ended, Baltimore PD is probably run by a Valchek.

    From what I’ve read and heard, Baltimore has a large Southern white community that didn’t almost totally blend into it’s surroundings like Chicago’s did. I think St. Louis and Detroit are somewhere in between. Somehow Baltimore’s white politicians have been Irish or Southern or Eastern European, however.

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  75. Hibernian says:
    @Stan Adams
    Cabrini-Green was done in by its drab brutalist design. The children who grew up in it weren't inspired to do something meaningful with their lives. If the architects don't care enough to make their buildings awe-inspiring, why should the residents care about anything? Everyone knows that white people live in better-designed buildings than black people do.

    We need to move all of the poor black families in America into fabulously-furnished apartments in trendy, eco-friendly postpostmodern skyscrapers. The kiddies will be so awed by their magnificent surroundings that they'll study even harder than the Asians. Then the blacks will take their true place as the Nubian scholars who will cure cancer and take us to Proxima Centauri.

    The buildings had real non-aesthetic design flaws such as basement laundry rooms for high rises full of families with kids. My building has a basement laundry room. It is 3-story and has only a few households with one or more children, usually one. Most high rises have demographics, in terms of residents per unit, like my building, but probably with even fewer residents per unit on the average. Also the density of these projects were increased relative to the original plans by white and black politicians who wanted black people to stay put and not move into white neighborhoods, each for their own reasons; the black politicians wanted to keep control of their votes and the white politicians wanted to keep their districts white due to their own attitudes and those of their constituents.

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  76. Hibernian says:
    @Bert
    The hilarious thing about Cabrini Green is that it was built with working-class Italian locals in mind. Once a few ghetto denizens moved in, however, it didn't take long for it to spiral into the dystopia it was famous for. And it took the entire neighborhood with it.

    Now the area’s being yuppieized with a provision for a certain percentage of affordable units.

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  77. Jefferson says:
    @Corvinus
    “Can you imagine how many innocent White civilians would have died today or at least would have been severely injured during the riots if not for the very high level of residential segregation between Whites and Blacks in Baltimore city and the Baltimore metropolitan area in general.”


    Yes, few. As if middle class black youth in those neighborhoods would have been cracking white skulls with their school books.

    
“White flight saves White lives. It is a good thing there is not a high level of residential integration between Blacks and Whites in Baltimore.”

    Lives in general. Not black, not white.

    “But couldn’t the government establish prisons in Africa? They would be a boon to the local economy, which would provide manpower, construction and foodstuff, but would be a lot cheaper, a boon to international transport. Prisons would become more vibrant, especially with the addition of honest to God Africans. Contact with Africans might even scare Americans straight.”

    Thanks for the parody. I mean, it is parody, right? You can’t be that ignorant…

    “Yes, few. As if middle class black youth in those neighborhoods would have been cracking white skulls with their school books.”

    What school books? Baltimore has some of the worst performing public schools in the country. I doubt a high percentage of Black public school students in Baltimore are reading many books.

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  78. Lot says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "JDG1980 says:

    As Kevin Drum has discussed in the past, lead exposure seems to be very strongly correlated with high levels of violence and antisocial behavior."

    Everybody alive in America between the 1920s and the 1970s received lead exposure from tetraethyl-lead, which was added to gasoline. It was spewed from car tail pipes all across the land for 50 years. The people who created the computer industry, the people who sent men to the Moon, the people who created the standard model in particle physics, all grew up bathed in it. Those smart jewish kids who grew up in lower east-side tenements (presumably painted with the same lead paint as in Baltimore) and went on to take honors at Bronx Science and Columbia probably had as much environmental lead exposure as The Wire-People of Baltimore.

    Does eating lead paint chips make you stupid? Or do stupid people eat lead paint chips?

    That blood levels of lead is strongly correlated with violent and impulsive behavior and depressed IQ is very well proved.

    Also, the Manhattan Project and Apollo Program generations had much lower lead exposure than later generations. The worst exposed where those born around 1970-75, who also were the most violent generation of Americans since we have been keeping track.

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  79. Dahlia says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "They [serial killers] were always there, the public was just blissfully unaware."

    Maybe, maybe not. Bill James read a few hundred true crime books and published a book on "Popular Crime." It's not terribly good, but James' opinions on things are worth noting even when he doesn't have good quantitative data. His view is there was a major increase in serial killers in 1965-1980, roughly because The Sixties.

    Went looking for what you had written about Bill James. You did review that book after all for Vdare… d’oh! A Statistician’s Imprecise Analysis of True Crime.

    The quip about typical readers responding in a liberal fashion to the assertion that most serial killers are ugly: so true. On the other hand, they’re often caught well past their prime.

    I listened recently to an interview with Bob Dekle in relation to his book about Bundy.
    He was asked why was Ted Bundy the most famous of them all despite his murder spree being seemingly identical to others. Dekle responded, in order:
    1. He was good-looking*
    2. He was of above average intelligence and in the criminal world, that made him a genius (his words).
    3. His many victims were sweet, regular women who were just living their lives.

    *This is one thing to be truly grateful for, a rare blessing. A lot of these guys believed that their ticket to fame resided in being the most sadistic. I can’t imagine living in a world where some wannabe serial killer asks himself what he has to do to be worse than Albert Fish in order to be the most famous of them all.

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  80. There are quite a few whites living in West Baltimore. They tend to be of Southern origin and quite a few of them are poor and live alongside blacks. It’d be interesting to see how race relations have been in the last few days.

    As for the lead theory, I’d note that many underclass white slums tend to be in industrial areas. That could be due to lead. Of course, it could also be due to deindustrialization leading towards concentrations of low human capital populations in some areas.

    From what I’ve heard, West Baltimore whites do commit plenty of crime and do poorly in school. They don’t seem to shoot each other much though.

    The only mostly white neighborhoods with exceptionally high homicide rates (that I’m aware of) were Southie and southwest Detroit, during the 1980s and early 1990s. Since then, southwest Detroit has been taken over by non-whites in some areas and depopulated in other areas. Southie is being mostly gentrified, while the projects have been taken over by NAMs (mainly black and Puerto Rican). If lead motivated people to commit homicide, it doesn’t seem to have impacted whites that much.

    Of course, there used to be quite a few white neighborhoods whose residents had a tendency towards fist fighting and altercations. You don’t see that nearly as much anymore. As many noted in a previous topic, white American men seem less truculent today than back a few decades ago. White youths used to aspire to be Clint Eastwood or Burt Reynolds. Now they aspire to be Justin Bieber.

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    The EPA has a list of lead pollution Superfund cleanup sites. It would be a good starting point for an in-depth study of the social effects of lead. I've read through a lot of court filings from one lawsuit against a lead smelter in a Missouri town. Most of the complaints about the effects of lead on children involved sluggishness rather than aggression.

    Anyway, it could be a good topic for somebody to study using towns with high concentrations of lead industry in them.
    , @Jefferson
    "From what I’ve heard, West Baltimore whites do commit plenty of crime and do poorly in school. They don’t seem to shoot each other much though. "

    JohnnyWalker123 you are 100 percent wrong as usual. Baltimore Whites on average are one of the most law abiding groups in the world.

    White people make up almost 30 percent of Baltimore's population, but White people make up less than 10 percent of all people who are filling up Baltimore's jail cells.
    http://www.justicepolicy.org/images/upload/10-06_rep_baltbehindbars_md-ps-ac-rd.pdf

    Crime in Baltimore does not have a Steve Sailer looking face, it has a Michael Brown looking face. White people are underrepresented among Baltimore's trouble making thug underclass.

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  81. @JohnnyWalker123
    There are quite a few whites living in West Baltimore. They tend to be of Southern origin and quite a few of them are poor and live alongside blacks. It'd be interesting to see how race relations have been in the last few days.

    As for the lead theory, I'd note that many underclass white slums tend to be in industrial areas. That could be due to lead. Of course, it could also be due to deindustrialization leading towards concentrations of low human capital populations in some areas.

    From what I've heard, West Baltimore whites do commit plenty of crime and do poorly in school. They don't seem to shoot each other much though.

    The only mostly white neighborhoods with exceptionally high homicide rates (that I'm aware of) were Southie and southwest Detroit, during the 1980s and early 1990s. Since then, southwest Detroit has been taken over by non-whites in some areas and depopulated in other areas. Southie is being mostly gentrified, while the projects have been taken over by NAMs (mainly black and Puerto Rican). If lead motivated people to commit homicide, it doesn't seem to have impacted whites that much.

    Of course, there used to be quite a few white neighborhoods whose residents had a tendency towards fist fighting and altercations. You don't see that nearly as much anymore. As many noted in a previous topic, white American men seem less truculent today than back a few decades ago. White youths used to aspire to be Clint Eastwood or Burt Reynolds. Now they aspire to be Justin Bieber.

    The EPA has a list of lead pollution Superfund cleanup sites. It would be a good starting point for an in-depth study of the social effects of lead. I’ve read through a lot of court filings from one lawsuit against a lead smelter in a Missouri town. Most of the complaints about the effects of lead on children involved sluggishness rather than aggression.

    Anyway, it could be a good topic for somebody to study using towns with high concentrations of lead industry in them.

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  82. Jefferson says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    There are quite a few whites living in West Baltimore. They tend to be of Southern origin and quite a few of them are poor and live alongside blacks. It'd be interesting to see how race relations have been in the last few days.

    As for the lead theory, I'd note that many underclass white slums tend to be in industrial areas. That could be due to lead. Of course, it could also be due to deindustrialization leading towards concentrations of low human capital populations in some areas.

    From what I've heard, West Baltimore whites do commit plenty of crime and do poorly in school. They don't seem to shoot each other much though.

    The only mostly white neighborhoods with exceptionally high homicide rates (that I'm aware of) were Southie and southwest Detroit, during the 1980s and early 1990s. Since then, southwest Detroit has been taken over by non-whites in some areas and depopulated in other areas. Southie is being mostly gentrified, while the projects have been taken over by NAMs (mainly black and Puerto Rican). If lead motivated people to commit homicide, it doesn't seem to have impacted whites that much.

    Of course, there used to be quite a few white neighborhoods whose residents had a tendency towards fist fighting and altercations. You don't see that nearly as much anymore. As many noted in a previous topic, white American men seem less truculent today than back a few decades ago. White youths used to aspire to be Clint Eastwood or Burt Reynolds. Now they aspire to be Justin Bieber.

    “From what I’ve heard, West Baltimore whites do commit plenty of crime and do poorly in school. They don’t seem to shoot each other much though. ”

    JohnnyWalker123 you are 100 percent wrong as usual. Baltimore Whites on average are one of the most law abiding groups in the world.

    White people make up almost 30 percent of Baltimore’s population, but White people make up less than 10 percent of all people who are filling up Baltimore’s jail cells.

    http://www.justicepolicy.org/images/upload/10-06_rep_baltbehindbars_md-ps-ac-rd.pdf

    Crime in Baltimore does not have a Steve Sailer looking face, it has a Michael Brown looking face. White people are underrepresented among Baltimore’s trouble making thug underclass.

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    Jefferson: "JohnnyWalker123 you are 100 percent wrong as usual. Baltimore Whites on average are one of the most law abiding groups in the world."

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2005-03-15/news/0503150071_1_justice-policy-institute-incarceration-drug-treatment

    According to the institute's report, there are about 25,000 black men in Baltimore between the ages of 20 and 30, and 52 percent of them are incarcerated or on parole or probation. Statewide, nearly 10 percent of black men in their 20s are incarcerated in either jail or prison. In the city, the percentage is nearly 20 percent, the study found.

     

    The black-white incarceration gap is 4:1. So that implies about 5 percent of young white Baltimore City men are in jail or prison. Being 1/4th as likely to be incarcerated as a highly criminal population isn't particularly good.

    La Griffe found that Baltimore City white public school students scored about 1 SD below the white mean. http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/city.htm

    Anyway, I didn't say Baltimore City whites were criminal in general. I specified "West Baltimore." Other areas have been gentrified by more upscale whites.

    You have a habit of reading what you want.
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  83. @Jefferson
    "From what I’ve heard, West Baltimore whites do commit plenty of crime and do poorly in school. They don’t seem to shoot each other much though. "

    JohnnyWalker123 you are 100 percent wrong as usual. Baltimore Whites on average are one of the most law abiding groups in the world.

    White people make up almost 30 percent of Baltimore's population, but White people make up less than 10 percent of all people who are filling up Baltimore's jail cells.
    http://www.justicepolicy.org/images/upload/10-06_rep_baltbehindbars_md-ps-ac-rd.pdf

    Crime in Baltimore does not have a Steve Sailer looking face, it has a Michael Brown looking face. White people are underrepresented among Baltimore's trouble making thug underclass.

    Jefferson: “JohnnyWalker123 you are 100 percent wrong as usual. Baltimore Whites on average are one of the most law abiding groups in the world.

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2005-03-15/news/0503150071_1_justice-policy-institute-incarceration-drug-treatment

    According to the institute’s report, there are about 25,000 black men in Baltimore between the ages of 20 and 30, and 52 percent of them are incarcerated or on parole or probation. Statewide, nearly 10 percent of black men in their 20s are incarcerated in either jail or prison. In the city, the percentage is nearly 20 percent, the study found.

    The black-white incarceration gap is 4:1. So that implies about 5 percent of young white Baltimore City men are in jail or prison. Being 1/4th as likely to be incarcerated as a highly criminal population isn’t particularly good.

    La Griffe found that Baltimore City white public school students scored about 1 SD below the white mean. http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/city.htm

    Anyway, I didn’t say Baltimore City whites were criminal in general. I specified “West Baltimore.” Other areas have been gentrified by more upscale whites.

    You have a habit of reading what you want.

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    Hey JohnnyWalker123 why do Blacks make up 89 percent of Baltimore's jail cells when they make up only 63 percent of the general population there. According to you Blacks are the most peaceful docile race in the world, so shouldn't Blacks be underrepresented in Baltimore's jail cells and not vastly overrepresented.

    Hey Johnny Walker do you know of any places where the share of White people in jail/prison is actually higher than their share of the general population? Such a place does not exist.

    If a city is 70 percent White for example, you can bet your bottom dollar the local jail cells are not over 90 percent White. But if a city is 70 percent Black, the local jail cells are probably somewhere between 95 percent to 100 percent Black.

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  84. Jefferson says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Jefferson: "JohnnyWalker123 you are 100 percent wrong as usual. Baltimore Whites on average are one of the most law abiding groups in the world."

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2005-03-15/news/0503150071_1_justice-policy-institute-incarceration-drug-treatment

    According to the institute's report, there are about 25,000 black men in Baltimore between the ages of 20 and 30, and 52 percent of them are incarcerated or on parole or probation. Statewide, nearly 10 percent of black men in their 20s are incarcerated in either jail or prison. In the city, the percentage is nearly 20 percent, the study found.

     

    The black-white incarceration gap is 4:1. So that implies about 5 percent of young white Baltimore City men are in jail or prison. Being 1/4th as likely to be incarcerated as a highly criminal population isn't particularly good.

    La Griffe found that Baltimore City white public school students scored about 1 SD below the white mean. http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/city.htm

    Anyway, I didn't say Baltimore City whites were criminal in general. I specified "West Baltimore." Other areas have been gentrified by more upscale whites.

    You have a habit of reading what you want.

    Hey JohnnyWalker123 why do Blacks make up 89 percent of Baltimore’s jail cells when they make up only 63 percent of the general population there. According to you Blacks are the most peaceful docile race in the world, so shouldn’t Blacks be underrepresented in Baltimore’s jail cells and not vastly overrepresented.

    Hey Johnny Walker do you know of any places where the share of White people in jail/prison is actually higher than their share of the general population? Such a place does not exist.

    If a city is 70 percent White for example, you can bet your bottom dollar the local jail cells are not over 90 percent White. But if a city is 70 percent Black, the local jail cells are probably somewhere between 95 percent to 100 percent Black.

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  85. Jefferson says:

    “Jefferson: “JohnnyWalker123 you are 100 percent wrong as usual. Baltimore Whites on average are one of the most law abiding groups in the world.”

    Johnny I am 100 percent right as usual. I showed hard evidence that Baltimore’s jail cells are significantly less White than Baltimore’s general population. The racial demographics of Baltimore’s jail cells resemble the racial demographics of South Africa.

    So I am 100 percent correct when I say Baltimore Whites are one of the most law abiding groups in the world because Whites are underrepresented among those locked up compared to their share of the general population.

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  86. […] laws have an illegal disparate impact. Locking up more blacks than whites for criminal offenses is inherently racist. (And no, it isn’t because of the drug […]

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  87. Jefferson says:

    Hey JohnnyWalker123 h0w come there is not a single place in The United States where Blacks as a group are extremely law abiding? By extremely law abiding I mean say they make up 40 percent of a certain city’s general population but commit let’s say only 20 percent of the crimes in that city. How come such a place does not exist?

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  88. @Steve

    In any species capable of killing its own kind, incidence of intraspecial killing should rise with increased population density. In predatory species, passage of a density boundary can result in the introduction of a new species which preys upon its previous kind (cookie cutter shark theory). This is the culmination of adaptive radiation, and is usually the last niche filled. It is in no way coincidental that the mythology of man is filled with creatures that look like men and yet prey upon them. The nightmares of men are driven by urges that he supresses, and the inherent knowledge of what he may become should aforementioned suppression fail.

    On an evolutionary scale, a generation or two is but a blip and of little import. Like every other species, man responds to his changing environment. An environment of increased consequence for specific acts may result in a lessening of the performance of those acts, but in no way eliminates the underlying evolutionary drives that fueled those acts to begin with.

    That monkey is murderous, gents, I wouldn’t turn your back on him.

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