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From the New York Times:

Why Has Australia Fallen Out of Love With Immigration?

By Damien Cave and Isabella Kwai, April 22, 2019

SYDNEY, Australia — Five days after 50 Muslims in New Zealand were killed in an attack attributed to an Australian white supremacist, Australia’s prime minister, Scott Morrison, unveiled a plan he said would address a fundamental challenge to the nation.

But it was not a proposal to combat hate groups and Islamophobia. It was a cut to immigration.

The government’s plan, which had been in the works for months, is a potential turning point for a nation that has been shaped by newcomers since its days as a British penal colony and that has presented itself in recent years as a model of how immigration, properly managed, can strengthen a country.

Now, amid a global backlash against immigration that has upended politics in the United States, Britain and much of Europe, even Australia is reversing course, turning away from a policy of welcoming skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic growth — and transformed a nation once closed to nonwhite immigrants into a multicultural society.

Mr. Morrison presented the move as a reaction to crowding in the nation’s largest cities, which has led to congested commutes and costlier housing. “This plan is about protecting the quality of life of Australians right across our country,” he said.

Such concerns are widespread as views in the country have turned sharply against population growth over the past year. There is worry, though, that these “quality-of-life” complaints have been amplified by — or perhaps have masked — a deeper ambivalence about a new wave of non-European immigration, especially from Muslim countries, along with Africa and Asia. …

Many Australians say it is time for these trends to end. In one recent poll, more than two-thirds said their country no longer needed more people. As recently as 2010, a majority of Australians disagreed with that statement. …

Instead, based on the nationwide polling, the place where residents were least likely to be opposed to population growth was Surry Hills, an inner suburb of Sydney where housing prices have skyrocketed and traffic can be suffocating. …

Some residents of the area justify their opposition by asking whether Australia has enough water to support a larger population, an element of the country’s immigration debate since the 1980s, before desalination plants became more common.

Obviously, only white racist xenophobes believe in the Climate Change hoax. Everybody knows the solution is for Australia to keep importing millions of people and burn lots more fossil fuels to power more desalination plants.

But there are also people like Stephen Ryan, 69, a retired power station worker who was not shy about arguing that Australia was better off when its immigrants were mostly from England.

A woman praying at a mosque in an Adelaide suburb. Right-wing politicians critical of Islam have pushed racism into mainstream public discussion.

“The Arab people, they don’t want to do anything,” he said. “They just want to go on the dole. That’s just the way I see it.”

It is the kind of attitude that, according to many immigrants in Australia, still shapes the discussion around population growth in a country that barred nonwhite immigrants until 1971.

The rise of right-wing politicians like Fraser Anning, a senator who blamed Muslim immigration for the New Zealand attacks, and Pauline Hanson, who once wore a burqa in Parliament to protest Islam, has pushed racism into mainstream public discussion.

“In the last few years, we have seen politicians state that people had a right to be bigots,” said Tim Soutphommasane, a former race commissioner in Australia and a professor at the University of Sydney. “There’s been a creeping normalization of far-right political ideas.”

On a local level, two competing visions of Australia are essentially fighting for votes: the Australia longing for a nostalgic past, and the Australia trying to figure out the next phase of integration for a more globalized nation.

Young political candidates like Kadira Pethiyagoda are at the forefront of potential change.

 
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  1. NYTimes wont rest until every place is as “globalized” as Bangladesh.

    And they smugly quoted “quality of life”, so my counter-quotes are simply fair play.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I'm sure they'll make an exception for one country.
    , @daffodil
    Every place but Israel, of course.
    , @SFG
    They haven't gone after Japan. Or China.
    , @CrunchybutRealistCon
    One of the pro-Globolization Media's biggest cons is that so much space still remains in the West which can be gracefully filled by burgeoning 3rd World peoples. This con relies on urban & suburban Normies not thinking very deeply about the habitat of much of the terrain within their borders. If you shade out the parts of Australia, Canada, USA, & Russia which are marginal or totally unsuitable for habitation: desert, swamp, perma-frost, water depleted, inaccessible, mountainous etc., you find the habitable versions of "Big" frontier countries are vastly smaller.
    The truth is that about a quarter of the US is desirable & feasible for settlement, and less than a 1/5th of AUS & CAN

    Australians are going to realize this much sooner than most places given the vast interior desert, and the sub-tropical Croc-infested swamps in the north.
    , @Mr. Anon

    NYTimes wont rest until every place is as “globalized” as Bangladesh.
     
    Hence Steve's title for the thread, which evokes the "Scramble for Africa" by 19th century European imperial powers.
    , @Jason Liu
    Bangladesh is not globalized at all. It is a 98% homogeneous society with very conservative values.
  2. Young political candidates like Kadira Pethiyagoda are at the forefront of potential change.

    And then Australia can resemble South Asia, which will obviously be a desirable outcome.

    • Replies: @bomag
    Indeed.

    And this quote from the article:

    trying to figure out the next phase of integration for a more globalized nation
     
    Creepy, like a dystopian scifi novel where they are deciding which body part to remove and replace with cybernetics.
  3. Young political candidates like Kadira Pethiyagoda are at the forefront of potential change.

    I feel confident that Kadira brings a nuanced, balanced approach to the problem without just pandering to immigrants and anti-white hysteria, and his Sri Lankan ancestry gives him valuable insight into how people of different creeds and cultures can all get along.

    Yvonne Maringa, 35, an English immigrant of Zimbabwean descent

    Woah, double immigrant background alert! That’s like the Triple Word Score of Intersectional Pokemon Scrabble.

  4. Maybe, the Australians have the highest IQs, regardless of that pro-mass-immigration housing-bubble section. It is about quality of life. A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life. Too many immigrants lowers quality of life, especially for the native citizens, but also for the immigrants as proven in multiple mass murders by terrorists who emigrated to the West and became disgruntled with Western society. Western nations need to assimilate the immigrants they already have before adding more.

    • Replies: @Peterike
    “A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life.”

    No, it doesn’t. That has never been true anywhere at any time in modern history. ALL immigration outside of the core native stock has been a mistake. Some mistakes worse than others, surely, but all mistakes.
    , @istevefan

    A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life. Too many immigrants lowers quality of life,
     
    What is reasonable? To me immigration should not materially affect a nation's demographic makeup. Otherwise it is mass immigration which is akin to an invasion. Just like many on our side have fallen for the whole illegal versus legal argument when it comes to immigration, they have also lost sight of distinguishing between immigration and mass immigration. Legal mass immigration is the killer combo.
    , @Pampasgrass
    Did you miss the part where Oz has successfully "strengthened" itself through immigration. They use that word "strength" as if clogged streets, crime, rape, loss of heritage, creaking infrastructure and wasted tax money is seen by Joe Average as strong in any possible sense of the word. Still, they plug the narrative in very bloody white country and even Asian ones now.
    , @Svigor
    I'll take zero non-white immigrants. Fuck "quality of life."
    , @bomag

    Western nations need to assimilate the immigrants they already have before adding more.
     
    Why do we have to be burdened with the effort of assimilation? What peoples in the history of the world succeeded by assimilating others? Every nation I know of raised up their own people by repeated fornication. Maybe we should try that.
    , @AnotherDad

    A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life.
     
    Evidence?

    This "some is good" nonsense, is just that--nonsense.

    There may be particular individuals who turn out to be benificial. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it was good for the US to take in Enrico Fermi, given where the US already was at the time. (And personally, my wife has been kinda nice for me. But she isn't providing those services to other Americans. At least i hope not!)

    Submitting to "immigration" is deeply un-natural. What happened in the early part of Austrailian or American or Canadian history was not "immigration" but conquest. One ethnic group taking territory from another. For that they--to a certain point--found more bodies helpful. (I'm fortunate founding-stock Americans allowing some of my immigrant Irish and German ancestors in to help settle the prairies, as i have a preference for existence over non-existence. But whether letting them in was smart or not ...)

    Past that point of "conquest", "immigration" isn't helpful, it's taking something that belongs to you and your posterity and giving it to someone else. It's flat out ridiculous. And allowing distinctly foreign, tribal, non-integrating people in is flat out ridiculous.

    As an immigration compromise, i'd be willing to admit people who pass the Enrico Fermi test and are capable of integrating directly--no whining--to standard middle class white American gentile flyover country norms, ok. Heck, i'm willing to lower the bar from Fermi quite a bit. Say we'll take the top say 10,000 each year. Assuming America continues to be a desirable destination.

    But "some immigration"--no thanks. Improves "quality of life" ... you've got to be kidding.

    , @ben tillman

    Maybe, the Australians have the highest IQs, regardless of that pro-mass-immigration housing-bubble section. It is about quality of life. A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life.
     
    No, it doesn't.
  5. I have to say, ‘about time’. Also, in before unz tells us what a benefit the illegal, legal whatever immigrants are just as law abiding and enriching of Australia.

    • Replies: @Lot
    He’s working on exposing the hoax known as the Tianamen Square Massacre.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-china-hoax/#comment-3162086

    I wonder who he’ll uncover as responsible for this (((dastardly libel))) of the Communist Party of China?
    , @anon
    wait till he chimes in with his "hispanics commit just as few crimes as whites" bs, lol
  6. How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
    • Replies: @216
    The Financial Times is Japanese-owned.

    Japan minds its own business internationally, doesn't bomb countries at the behest of neoconservatism.

    Japan donates more per capita of foreign aid and to the UN.

    Geographic isolation means few boats reaching the shores. Something of a wonder that there wasn't a rash of illegal Russian migrants after the fall of the USSR.
    , @Anonymous
    By outright rejecting the idea, subtly donating money to various international pov celeb groups.

    They only accepted MacArthur, Perry and co under force, though Mac came to be well regarded and enjoys a good reputation among Japanese.

    Hell we were all destitute not so long ago.

    Norway had one of the worst famines per capita in European history in 1945.
    , @Desiderius
    They're not white. This isn't complicated.

    Look at the ads in the NYT. Their target audience is filthy rich snobs who want to feel morally superior to other whites. They do this by reading about how racist other whites are in every article. When that racism is verified by actual live people of color writing the articles it's even sweeter.

    The paper is a robber baron tongue bath.
    , @istevefan

    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.
     
    Because they are not Europeans. And our betters think the world revolves around Europe and her New World offshoots. Though Japan might get mentioned from time to time about its declining population, they don't get pilloried like European-type nations do for not wanting immigrants.

    In fact almost all European nations, from Canada to Oz and everything in between, have taken so many immigrants in recent years that their populations of today would be completely unrecognizable to those who lived just 30 years ago. Yet even after all that, they are still condemned for not wanting more.

    Meanwhile the Japanese have barely budged their demographic makeup over the last thousand years, and all they get are just a few warnings about an aging population. Which goes to show that our elites don't really care about Japan, or any nation not of the Euro world.

    , @Lars Porsena
    Asians are very short, and therefor close to the ground and harder to detect on radar.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96iJsdGkl44
    , @SFG
    Africa for the Africans. Asia for the Asians. (Israel for the Jews, sometimes; they don't seem too fond of Bibi.) White countries for...
    , @Mr. Anon

    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.
     
    Smile. Nod. Say "Maybe", mean "No".
    , @Daniel H
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    How? The Japanese are a nation, they know that they are a nation. It would be absurd to import foreigners to disrupt the nation. The Japanese refused to be cowed.
    , @donut
    It's been so long ago ( the 80s) I can't remember where I read it but I do remember reading a few articles in the MSM condemning the Japanese for being antisemitic for not wanting lots of Jews as immigrants . IIRC this was when the USA was in a bad way due to falling oil prices and the Japanese economy was strong . They were buying up whole neighborhoods in the oil patch and the racist MSM was alarmed at the time . Being an antisemite my self I remember those articles .
    Even in Troy , Ohio POP. 22,000 where my grandmother lived right on I-75 the Wiley Oriental Gentlemen had set up acres of warehouses and had a good number of Japanese there running them with temp. US workers hired through the State run employment agency doing the heavy lifting . 6mos. no benefits and laid off. My old man a WW2 vet said that if someone had gone to sleep in 1943 and woken in 198? he would have thought the Japs had won the war . One story I heard from my friends concerned a guy washing his car in his driveway and a newly arrived Japanese pulling up and asking him how much he wanted for his house , which wasn't for sale , as the story goes he was offered so much he agreed to sell .
    , @YurtAndBernie
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    I think you misspelled "Israel."
    , @Futurethirdworlder
    Because Japan is sorely lacking in (((fellow Japanese)))
    , @Whitey Whiteman III
    "Fellow Japanese People" tend to stand out, there.
    , @lavoisier

    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.
     
    There are no Japanese "Jews" that can blend in with the host population and pretend to be loyal to the Japanese while serving another tribe.
    , @Ed
    It doesn’t the NYT attacks them constantly on their low level of immigration . They’ve been predicting their doom as a result for 25 years now.
    , @Anon
    Not just Japan but East Asia in general. Chinese/Japanese/Koreans are the most practical minded people, they have no time or patience for stupidity, known in the west as (((ideology))).
    , @Anon
    Because the Japs aren't stupified by white guilt -- no slavery, colonialism and holocaust guilt shoved down their throats on a daily basis by a group of Joopanese who own their msm.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    There seems to be some convergence here on an (((answer)))! There's something to that in the sense that immigration is something pushed internally. Obviously, Japan is involved in international conferences where immigration is probably promoted, but ultimately internal political considerations dominate immigration decisions.

    As I've said before, I think Abe is an Invade/Invite PM, and immigration is slowly creeping upward. There needs to be normalization of "multicultural" and "global" identity first, and the Olympics is being used to push that. Then there's a World Expo in the pipelines. Plus, miscegenated athletes, increased focus on English instruction in primary school, and some other trends.

    In short, the frog is getting boiled slowly, and people like you are going to keep asking how Japan keeps out immigrants until one day you stop asking because Japan actually has lots of immigrants.

    What Japan needs is an anti-immigrant voice that is not far-right guys in loud-speaker-trucks.
  7. “The Arab people, they don’t want to do anything,” he said. “They just want to go on the dole. That’s just the way I see it.”

    It is the kind of attitude that . . . still shapes the discussion around population growth

    The NYT doesn’t attempt to refute this man’s statement. In fact, they don’t even say his statement is inaccurate. His statement is heretical. It’s factual content is irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    So this "news" story just takes for granted that Australia's economic success is due to immigrants and any concerns are just ignorant because . . . "desalination."

    But then they go to a 69-year old retired power station worker as their representative spokesperson for white Australians. I can totally picture this Australian Archie Bunker sitting at the bar stool sipping his third Guinness during the interview.

    But whatever. The NYT is such a pathetic joke. No matter the topic, their bias drips from every sentence.

    , @SMK
    To leftists, "Islamophobia" is a mental disorder, a form of insanity, like paranoia and schizophrenia, clinically defined, pathological estrangement from objective reality, irrational bigotry and hatred that renders one unable to see that an invasion of Muslims is benign and salutary rather than pernicious and, ultimately if not reversed, suicidal for the nation and culture and it's white population.

    Precisely the opposite is true. "Islamophobia," as defined by the left, is synonymous with honesty and realism. To leftists, anyone who criticizes and tells the truth about Islam and Muslims, particularly young males, and opposes an invasion of Muslims, is demonized as a "racist" and "bigot" and "hater" and "Islamophobe." In reality, left-liberals and others who support and cheer an invasion of Muslims are insane, psychotic, totally delusional, completely estranged from objective reality, impervious to facts.
    , @Tusk
    Here's a great piece by the Australian Propoganda machine that, despite seemingly like a rebbutal, confirms that what the 69yo said is correct.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-24/fact-check-fraser-anning-muslims-not-working-welfare/10139350

    Fact check: Are a majority of working-age Australian Muslims not working and living on welfare?

    The verdict
    Senator Anning's claim is half-baked.
    The majority of working-age Muslims, that is more than half of Muslims aged 15-64, are not working. The exact figure is 51.3 per cent.
    But whether these Muslims are also living on welfare payments cannot be established because the Government does not collect information on religion in social security statistics

     

    We can't know for certain if they're on the dole, but the majority aren't working! Don't forget to factor in the TFR when trying to figure out how they get by.
  8. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    The Financial Times is Japanese-owned.

    Japan minds its own business internationally, doesn’t bomb countries at the behest of neoconservatism.

    Japan donates more per capita of foreign aid and to the UN.

    Geographic isolation means few boats reaching the shores. Something of a wonder that there wasn’t a rash of illegal Russian migrants after the fall of the USSR.

    • Replies: @YurtAndBernie
    Geographic isolation means few boats reaching [Japanese] shores.

    Right. Because New Zealand is practically right smack dab in the center of Africa, so that's different somehow.

    And of course if only Israel were in, say, the Middle East, rather than way out in the middle of the Pacific, surely everyone would have expected it to take in a few hundred thousand Syrian refugees. But why should Syrian refugees be forced to swim all the way to Israel when Canada is so darn tootin' close?

  9. We see here again, that the Right is not allowed off of the psychologist’s couch.

    To name liberalism as the norm, is textbook Liberal Supremacy, from a New York Times that doesn’t Think Like America ™.

  10. From 1962.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Is the tall man Sailer ?
    , @Emblematic
    The whole thing is worth watching, common people with common sense views. The old Australia before the big change began.

    But they saved the best for last, the bloke starting at about 5:30 is a riot.
  11. @TWS
    I have to say, 'about time'. Also, in before unz tells us what a benefit the illegal, legal whatever immigrants are just as law abiding and enriching of Australia.

    He’s working on exposing the hoax known as the Tianamen Square Massacre.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-china-hoax/#comment-3162086

    I wonder who he’ll uncover as responsible for this (((dastardly libel))) of the Communist Party of China?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    It's those (((tank commander))) people. I know 2nd-hand of people involved, but they were not anywhere near Peking. The one guy was a great EE student, but got kicked out of school and became a TV repairman - no, not Sean Chen's Dad. He never could get back into college.

    I don't know if you've read anything by him, Lot, but here on unz (hey, controversial viewpoints, as the man says), there is a guy named Godfree Roberts, who is an admitted sackhanger on the butcher Chairman Mao Zedong. He has his own sackhangers or Comm-ent-Tards, as I'm designating them now, that write in on all the articles on China, including Fred Reed's tourist takes on the place, from his 2-week adventure there.

    Peak Stupidity is pretty even-handed about the place and its people even throwing out an apology for the occasional over-the-top offensiveness (though we've kept our standing with the US Gov't as an Equal Opportunity Offender.)
    , @snorlax
    Maybe he could do Katyn next.

    OTOH that would require Hitler to have lied, and therefore done something wrong.
  12. >globalized nation.<

    oxymoron alert

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    No, post-America is intended to serve as the petri dish for what they'd like the world to look like some day.
  13. “skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic growth … a deeper ambivalence about a new wave of non-European immigration, especially from Muslim countries”

    “We’ve come to ‘fuel economic growth’ don’t worry nothing could go wrong!”

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    They have fueled economic growth in the hotel and church re-building industry in Sri Lanka. Give credit where credit is due.
    , @Anonymous
    Grrrrrrr......


    Laying about on the floor groveling.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Yeah. Muslims. Chinese. Africans. What's not to love?
  14. “In the last few years, we have seen politicians state that people had a right to be bigots,” said Tim Soutphommasane, a former race commissioner in Australia and a professor at the University of Sydney.

    “Race commissioner” and “professor” with a Laotian name. Yeah, right.

    Sounds like a real asset to Australia. How did they ever manage to get by without him?

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    Tim Soutphommasane is a flat out anti-white racist whose 'progressive' bigotry has boosted a tuppence-colored mediocrity into being the go-to pundit for all things migratory and ghetto.
  15. The article misses the main reason that Australian governments have encouraged immigration.

    The Australian public lacks geopolitical awareness and tells itself fairy tales about snakes and spiders deterring foreign armies. The last time that Australians had to confront the strategic vulnerability of their country was during World War II.

    Australian governments on the other hand are acutely aware of the risk posed by trying to hold a thinly populated landmass close to massive populations in Asia. A small, well controlled Muslim population makes an excellent human shield against Indonesia. Chinese money and immigration serves a similar purpose.

    This awareness of Australia’s strategic vulnerability is also why Australia has followed the United States into every war since Korea. Australian governments don’t make any strategic blunders, and when they do, they scramble to fix them: they cut foreign aid to Pacific islands in a populist pique, before realizing that China was encircling them and then quickly reversed themselves.

    Australia is going to have a bigger population in the next century: it can either control the process itself, or it can pretend to be a tiny colonial outpost of blighty until it’s overrun by foreign hordes while its legions of incel shitposters try to disseminate memes over destroyed internet cables.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The article misses the main reason that Australian governments have encouraged immigration.

    What a load of bollocks. We don't need a "human shield" of Muslims to deter Indonesia. Simply a good navy and some help from a Yank aircraft carrier or two is all we need. Likewise with the Chinese.

    There are a few real reasons. One is Jewish influence, from Walter Lippman et al.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/07/18/the-jewish-war-on-white-australia-the-anti-defamation-commission-and-click-against-hate-part-1-of-4/

    https://thedailycoin.org/2019/03/14/how-jewish-elites-use-non-white-immigration-to-undermine-western-nations/

    http://www.jewworldorder.org/jewish-war-on-white-australia/

    https://expeltheparasite.com/tag/multiculturalism/

    And now that treason is ensconced in big business, you also have every GDP-dependent business such as Harvey Norman (importing consumer goods), the development industry etc. lobbying the government to maintain immigration.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "Muslim population makes an excellent human shield against Indonesia."
     
    How? Looks more like a poison pill.

    And how does importing Chinese serve as a deterrent against Chinese control? Preemptively importing a fifth column?
  16. @Lot
    “skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic growth ... a deeper ambivalence about a new wave of non-European immigration, especially from Muslim countries”

    https://voiceofeurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/street-prayer-e1511183677695.jpg

    “We’ve come to ‘fuel economic growth’ don’t worry nothing could go wrong!”

    They have fueled economic growth in the hotel and church re-building industry in Sri Lanka. Give credit where credit is due.

  17. @Chief Seattle
    NYTimes wont rest until every place is as "globalized" as Bangladesh.

    And they smugly quoted "quality of life", so my counter-quotes are simply fair play.

    I’m sure they’ll make an exception for one country.

    • Agree: Svigor
  18. Concerned puzzling over why Australia isn’t embracing Islam sounds like an early Simpsons joke.

  19. Can’t they recycle urine, dishwater, and water from car washes and nuclear power plants? Also, that boy scout thing where you make Saran wrap into an inverted cone and drip condensation into a coffee can: every house could have a big version of that.

    I don’t see what the problem is.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    "Can’t they recycle urine, dishwater, and water from car washes and nuclear power plants? Also, that boy scout thing where you make Saran wrap into an inverted cone and drip condensation into a coffee can: every house could have a big version of that.

    I don’t see what the problem is."

    Let them drink Perrier!

  20. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    By outright rejecting the idea, subtly donating money to various international pov celeb groups.

    They only accepted MacArthur, Perry and co under force, though Mac came to be well regarded and enjoys a good reputation among Japanese.

    Hell we were all destitute not so long ago.

    Norway had one of the worst famines per capita in European history in 1945.

  21. @Endgame Napoleon
    Maybe, the Australians have the highest IQs, regardless of that pro-mass-immigration housing-bubble section. It is about quality of life. A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life. Too many immigrants lowers quality of life, especially for the native citizens, but also for the immigrants as proven in multiple mass murders by terrorists who emigrated to the West and became disgruntled with Western society. Western nations need to assimilate the immigrants they already have before adding more.

    “A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life.”

    No, it doesn’t. That has never been true anywhere at any time in modern history. ALL immigration outside of the core native stock has been a mistake. Some mistakes worse than others, surely, but all mistakes.

    • Agree: donut
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    No, a certain amount of immigration can be a good thing.

    Consider the old days, when we had very few immigrants.

    During that time the Einstein family immigrated to the US. (My grandfather helped one of the Einsteins get into the US). Many of the best scientists in the world at the time were European, esp. German, Jews. Germany had dominated the sciences, esp. physics. I think about half the Nobel Laureates from Germany immigrated to the US during that time of very low immigration.

    Those scientists helped us win the War, at least partly because they were not helping the Nazis win the War.

    Right at the end of WW II, the Russians and Americans went around Germany looking for the top German scientists. Quite a few went to extraordinary lengths to surrender to American soldiers, many of whom had lists in their pockets of people to take to HQ.

    Those scientists got us to the moon.

    Years later there was the notorious "brain drain", in which a number of the top European scientists took academic positions in the more prosperous United States.

    I remember in 1986 I attended the Nichols Award ceremony for a scientist named Michael Dewar, who was one of the earliest big name scientists to come to the US during the "brain drain" era. Very interesting event -- he had his son, the famous computer scientist Robert Dewar, throw out a nasty question during the Q&A session, which Michael Dewar was very well prepared for. I just happened to be sitting next to some friends of the Dewar family. Other people I talked to were very impressed by the elder Dewar's answer to a tough question.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._S._Dewar

    The "brain drain" scientists helped establish the post-War domination of science and technology by the United States.

    So saying there is no time in history that immigration has been good for the native stock people is incorrect.

    Immigration is more like having a glass of wine occasionally with dinner. The occasional glass of fine wine can be beneficial. Drinking a gallon of illegal rotgut moonshine every day is not.
  22. The rise of right-wing politicians like Fraser Anning, a senator who blamed Muslim immigration for the New Zealand attacks,

    Is he not correct? If there had been no muslim presence in New Zealand, this particular attack would not have happened. The attacker was specifically drawn towards a muslim target. Had NZ not provided him with such target, he would have sought it elsewhere. It’s not like he had a beef with NZ, and would have hit a Christian church instead.

    Now, amid a global backlash against immigration that has upended politics in the United States, Britain and much of Europe, even Australia is reversing course, turning away from a policy of welcoming skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic growth — and transformed a nation once closed to nonwhite immigrants into a multicultural society.

    I think they just answered their own question within this paragraph. Question: Why is Australia turning away from immigration?

    Answer: “transformed a nation once closed to nonwhite immigrants into a multicultural society.”

    And what did Australia get for this transformation? “Welcoming skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic growth”.

    A few points of GDP growth apparently aren’t worth enough to give up your nation.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Is he not correct?
     
    Of course he is. As if that matters.
    , @anon
    Especially when the GDP growth is nothing but a paper artifact of the increased immigration

    Without such large-scale immigration, Australia's GDP wouldn't have grown in years
    , @donut
    " into a multicultural society." Read shithole .
  23. Why does the NYT never advocate for Israel to increase diversity with mass migration? Israel has declared itself an explicitly Jewish nation, that doesn’t sound very diversity-loving.
    The NYT is good at wording things to affect the reader. In this article , it is claimed Australia is turning away from skilled foreigners. But anyone who cares knows the vast majority of immigrants worldwide are not trained to do anything. Look at the Mexico border- people with no or little education, possessionless and broke, many not fluent even in their village’s dialect.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Ah yes, I can still remember all the official BS about highly skilled Syrian asylum seekers. (In my case for Sweden but it's all the same, isn't it.) They keep quiet about that nowadays.
    , @anonymous

    Why does the NYT never advocate for Israel to increase diversity with mass migration?
     
    They do all the time. Many editorials and op-eds against Israel turning away and deporting African asylum seekers.
    , @Anon
    Ummmm they also dont advocate for Pakistan,Bangladesh,Afghanistan,Bahrain,Brunei,Indonesia,Malaysia,Saudi Arabia,Qatar,Oman,UAE,yemen,Iran,Iraq,Syria,Lebanon,jordan,Turkey,Egypt,Libya,Tunisia,Algeria,morocco,Chad,Sudan,Djibouti,Bosnia,Eritrea,somalia,Mali,Mauritania ,Uzbekistan,Tajikistan,Kyrgyzstan,Kosovo ,Nigeria,burkina faso, ivory coast or Niger to increase diversity in their declared Islamic republics. Strange you would use the sole example of the Jewish state to make your "point".
  24. “In the last few years, we have seen politicians state that people had a right to be bigots,” said Tim Soutphommasane

    A SE Asian lecturing Australians about immigration. The nerve of these people!

  25. @Chief Seattle
    NYTimes wont rest until every place is as "globalized" as Bangladesh.

    And they smugly quoted "quality of life", so my counter-quotes are simply fair play.

    Every place but Israel, of course.

  26. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    From 1962.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zb8yLammA0

    Is the tall man Sailer ?

  27. I keep watching them rotate the spring clockwise (given that clockwise tightens the coil.) When it finally breaks, will they reconsider? I do not think so.

    Reason will not settle this.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    I keep watching them rotate the spring clockwise...
     
    Farmers and zoo keepers have to know which animals they can put into the same enclosures, and which must be separated. Apparently that is too difficult a concept to grasp for those pushing a haphazard immigration policy that is so random and unplanned, that they even have a crazy lotto system to ensure maximum dissimilarity among the populace.
  28. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    “skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic growth ... a deeper ambivalence about a new wave of non-European immigration, especially from Muslim countries”

    https://voiceofeurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/street-prayer-e1511183677695.jpg

    “We’ve come to ‘fuel economic growth’ don’t worry nothing could go wrong!”

    Grrrrrrr……

    Laying about on the floor groveling.

  29. @Federalist

    “The Arab people, they don’t want to do anything,” he said. “They just want to go on the dole. That’s just the way I see it.”

    It is the kind of attitude that . . . still shapes the discussion around population growth
     
    The NYT doesn't attempt to refute this man's statement. In fact, they don't even say his statement is inaccurate. His statement is heretical. It's factual content is irrelevant.

    So this “news” story just takes for granted that Australia’s economic success is due to immigrants and any concerns are just ignorant because . . . “desalination.”

    But then they go to a 69-year old retired power station worker as their representative spokesperson for white Australians. I can totally picture this Australian Archie Bunker sitting at the bar stool sipping his third Guinness during the interview.

    But whatever. The NYT is such a pathetic joke. No matter the topic, their bias drips from every sentence.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    But then they go to a 69-year old retired power station worker as their representative spokesperson for white Australians.
     
    How many Africans or Middle-Easterners work at the power-station? How much do they contribute to keeping the lights on?
    , @donut
    "But then they go to a 69-year old retired power station worker as their representative spokesperson for white Australians. I can totally picture this Australian Archie Bunker sitting at the bar stool sipping his third Guinness during the interview."
    Imagine asking a deplorable for his opinion when there are so many sophisticates such as yourself available for comment .
  30. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    They’re not white. This isn’t complicated.

    Look at the ads in the NYT. Their target audience is filthy rich snobs who want to feel morally superior to other whites. They do this by reading about how racist other whites are in every article. When that racism is verified by actual live people of color writing the articles it’s even sweeter.

    The paper is a robber baron tongue bath.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    quite simply, it'd be a lot more difficult for "white" people to hide when asking for open borders every.single.time.
  31. @istevefan

    The rise of right-wing politicians like Fraser Anning, a senator who blamed Muslim immigration for the New Zealand attacks,
     
    Is he not correct? If there had been no muslim presence in New Zealand, this particular attack would not have happened. The attacker was specifically drawn towards a muslim target. Had NZ not provided him with such target, he would have sought it elsewhere. It's not like he had a beef with NZ, and would have hit a Christian church instead.

    Now, amid a global backlash against immigration that has upended politics in the United States, Britain and much of Europe, even Australia is reversing course, turning away from a policy of welcoming skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic growth — and transformed a nation once closed to nonwhite immigrants into a multicultural society.
     
    I think they just answered their own question within this paragraph. Question: Why is Australia turning away from immigration?

    Answer: "transformed a nation once closed to nonwhite immigrants into a multicultural society."

    And what did Australia get for this transformation? "Welcoming skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic growth".

    A few points of GDP growth apparently aren't worth enough to give up your nation.

    Is he not correct?

    Of course he is. As if that matters.

  32. Writing from Australia during an election campaign. Something rarely observed from outside is that our main center left party, Labor, is formally integrated with the Labor unions. In practice a handful of union officials can choose all of Labor’s candidates for parliament and unsurprisingly usually choose their own – candidate for prime minister bill shorten is a former Secretary of one of the largest unions. The center left then runs on union dues and public funding and has never needed much big business backing. It’s also the anti-british side of politics, perhaps given Irish Catholic rather than protestant roots (the center right is traditionally protestant). A consequence of these forces is that the Australian center left is vaguely nationalist and mildly immigration skeptical. Just in the last week Labor leader shorten and employment spokesman Brendan o’Connor (note the name – also a former union official and brother of the boss of the militant construction union) have announced a policy of increasing the minimum wage at which employers can sponsor skilled worker visas and a review to ensure skilled visas are only granted where there are genuine shortages. In practice this could lead to big overall cuts to immigration numbers by the center left given that 60% of all entrants are on skilled visas and up to 80% of those may not really be needed to meet shortages.

    None of this is in the NYT article of course.

    • Agree: Endgame Napoleon
    • Replies: @Anon

    In practice this could lead to big overall cuts to immigration numbers by the center left
     
    And then Labor promise to let migrants bring their elderly parents.
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/04/labor-loons-to-give-unlimited-visas-to-migrant-elderly-parents/
    , @snorlax
    I love Boomerlibs (and/or Millennial NEETs) who latch onto whatever comforting lie leftist politicians say (Bernie Sanders says he's against open borders! Ed Miliband wants controls on immigration!) in an attempt to justify voting for Muh Free Stuff as a free lunch.

    Yeah, the party which ended the White Australia Policy and flung open the doors, an act it considers its finest hour, is totes magotes just itching to bring it back. They are such selfless public servants, so interested in the public good, that they have not even the slightest desire to import more and more foreign ringers to vote for them.

    I've consumed enough Aussie leftist media to observe that Topic No. 1 is the unending benefits of More Immigration, particularly Muslim, and Topic No. 2 is the horrific, genocidal terror regime in the Nauru and New Guinea "concentration camps."

    Here's a pro-tip: When leftist politicians promise one thing, and leftist media say to do the opposite, then the thing leftist media say to do is what the leftist politicians will in fact do, once in office. For example, if Barack Obama says he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, and the New York Times says that gay marriage should be legalized, then Obama is going to legalize gay marriage.
    , @Zedrick
    @Anonymouse55uu

    Shorten has already stated he will increase immigration. Even if Labor does lower the work visa rort, Australia will still be taking in hordes of 3rd worlders.
  33. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    Because they are not Europeans. And our betters think the world revolves around Europe and her New World offshoots. Though Japan might get mentioned from time to time about its declining population, they don’t get pilloried like European-type nations do for not wanting immigrants.

    In fact almost all European nations, from Canada to Oz and everything in between, have taken so many immigrants in recent years that their populations of today would be completely unrecognizable to those who lived just 30 years ago. Yet even after all that, they are still condemned for not wanting more.

    Meanwhile the Japanese have barely budged their demographic makeup over the last thousand years, and all they get are just a few warnings about an aging population. Which goes to show that our elites don’t really care about Japan, or any nation not of the Euro world.

    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    Ironically, this is a rather "white supremacist" approach to things. Only whites have agency, only Western countries are important or desirable.
    , @nebulafox
    Robots. That's the answer to the aging population question in the Land of the Rising Sun. The PRC wants to do the same thing in coming decades.

    It's actually quite smart. Think about it: the problem is that people don't have the money or time to have kids in a culture where the work hours, rents, and school costs are insane. Then a logical step is to let the population decline some while pursuing mass robot help. Rents will go down in the cities, as will the cost of schools because the cut-throat pressure is quieting down. People will have more time to do things. Some will have kids. Japan's population will decrease some, but it will go on as a nation-and really, when you look at how crowded the place is and how much robots are going to take over a lot of jobs, you have to wonder how bad that fate is.

    Of course, people having more freedom, less economic pressures, and not feeling the need to bend over backwards for employers is exactly what Western oligarchs *don't* want. So we get immiserated by articles professing that the wisest thing to do in the age of mass automation is import tens of millions of new citizens, most of whom-contra to media dogma-have no more skills than the natives.

    On the immigration issue: there is an influx of immigrants in Japan and South Korea these days. It's very modest on Western standards, but it is there. But the biggest sources are China and Vietnam: aka, the other Confucian countries. (There's also a Filipino presence in both countries, but many of them are women who've married Japanese or Korean men.) Much like Poles who are OK with Ukrainian laborers but want nothing to do with Afghans, the Japanese and Koreans understand that if you've got to have immigrants, having them come from your own cultural sphere is the best option.

    If you don't look like them, in Japan or South Korea, your best bet is to have a math-oriented PhD and come for a job crunching PDEs in a bank or with a local hotshot AI startup. You'll find it pretty easy to get a visa, no matter where you come from. I had dinner in Seoul with a Bangladeshi who'd been working there for decades. Dark-skinned and nominally Muslim at best (he drank alcohol and ate pork), but equipped with a PhD in electrical engineering and speaking Korean, so I presume he didn't have many issues with the visa. Of course, the rub here is that relatively few of these kinds of high human capital types are going to come from the countries massively exporting "refugees"...

  34. Kadira Pethiyagoda, the future of Australia.

    We’ll just call him Bruce, to avoid confusion.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
    I don't mind if you call him Bruce.
    , @Desiderius
    If he has an uncle named Bob then that future is bright indeed.
    , @Redneck farmer
    But is he a poofter?
    , @Simon Tugmutton
    Why am I not surprised that he sports the classic Narcissist's Beard? O for the days when Aussies wore hats with corks dangling from the brim!
  35. “In the last few years, we have seen politicians state that people had a right to be bigots,” said Tim Soutphommasane, a former race commissioner in Australia and a professor at the University of Sydney.

    In our multiculti future, everyone will be named ‘Tim Soutphommasane”

  36. anon[182] • Disclaimer says:

    Instead, based on the nationwidepolling, the place where residents were least likely to be opposed to population growth was Surry Hills, an inner suburb of Sydney where housing prices have skyrocketed and traffic can be suffocating

    And would Surry Hills happen to be a place with a large number of immigrants, by any chance?

  37. @Buzz Mohawk
    Kadira Pethiyagoda, the future of Australia.

    http://www.dailynews.lk/sites/default/files/news/2018/01/17/z_piii-LKI.jpg

    We'll just call him Bruce, to avoid confusion.

    I don’t mind if you call him Bruce.

  38. Australia was pretty boring before the Bolsheviks ended the White Australia policy. Shopkeepers worried about when they were going to get to Noosa Heads for three weeks of paradise every year. Not if, when. But you had to watch out for Bluebottles!

    I like boring.

  39. See, this is what’s so difficult and most likely pointless about arguing this stuff with the ctrl-left: You have to get through multiple wrong premises first before you can ever even get to the major point of stupidity. Here, the authors just throw out:

    … and that has presented itself in recent years as a model of how immigration, properly managed, can strengthen a country.

    Whoa, hold on hoss … and hossette! What model? Who says it’s a model of this “strengthening” of which you speak? Where is the strengthening? Show me the strengthening.

    Which Australia would I, and average American like to have visited, the crowded, expensive multi-cultural mess that is the country today (at least parts of it), or the one with people like James May (of Buzz Mohawk’s hilarious clip on the other post), and where these guys introduced us to the genre of Bagpipe Rock? Just look at the band and the crowd and weep at the ruination of the once-great English-speaking world:

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    Pssh... without diversity you wouldn’t have THIS

    https://youtu.be/_tOkb1y7hEs
    , @Cowboy Shaw
    Magnificent.
  40. Now, amid a global backlash against immigration that has upended politics in the United States, Britain and much of Europe,

    Erm…I think they mean

    Now, amid a global backlash against non-White low-skill 3rd world immigration that has upended politics in the United States, Britain and much of Europe,

    I, for one, am fine with plenty of ethnic European immigration (i.e. “White”).

    Jews and Japanese do it, restrict immigration to their own kind. We want what they’ve got.

  41. If you’re wondering why Australians might be just a little bit concerned about immigration, take a look again at one of my favorite cartograms:

    Australia and the Australian People are way down there on the lower right. See that little green spot there? (You might need your reading glasses.) They know there is an endless supply of “neighbors.”

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Cowboy Shaw
    Thanks for that, cool cartogram. My perception is that the normal Australians and NZers have almost no idea about this picture. They actually find it very difficult to conceptualise just how many people are perched just above them. Strategists in Canberra and Wellington know it, and exporters who busy themselves in the great economies of east and south Asia trying to sell milk and metal kind of know it, but voters struggle to get it. It should be stapled to every fridge in every kitchen in both countries and be beaten into the heads of school children. Then they'll get it.
  42. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    Asians are very short, and therefor close to the ground and harder to detect on radar.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Lars, you too funny.
  43. In the last few years, we have seen politicians state that people had a right to be bigots..

    Proudly own your bigotry, proudly own your racism. Get over it. If you duck and run, hide and shame you have already lost, you play into their trap, you have already lost. Get over it.

  44. How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    There is also the assumption that these non European countries will eventually see the light and become multicultural. Many confuse becoming modern with following every trend in the West.

  45. @istevefan

    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.
     
    Because they are not Europeans. And our betters think the world revolves around Europe and her New World offshoots. Though Japan might get mentioned from time to time about its declining population, they don't get pilloried like European-type nations do for not wanting immigrants.

    In fact almost all European nations, from Canada to Oz and everything in between, have taken so many immigrants in recent years that their populations of today would be completely unrecognizable to those who lived just 30 years ago. Yet even after all that, they are still condemned for not wanting more.

    Meanwhile the Japanese have barely budged their demographic makeup over the last thousand years, and all they get are just a few warnings about an aging population. Which goes to show that our elites don't really care about Japan, or any nation not of the Euro world.

    Ironically, this is a rather “white supremacist” approach to things. Only whites have agency, only Western countries are important or desirable.

    • Agree: istevefan
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Ironically, this is a rather “white supremacist” approach to things. Only whites have agency, only Western countries are important or desirable.

     

    Yes, this is just it. The whole SJW/leftist/woke worldview is founded on pride in assumed superiority. White people and their countries and cultures and values are held up, consciously or unconsciously, as the de facto standard for human flourishing, and The Other needs 'raising up' to this standard.
  46. @Lot
    He’s working on exposing the hoax known as the Tianamen Square Massacre.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-china-hoax/#comment-3162086

    I wonder who he’ll uncover as responsible for this (((dastardly libel))) of the Communist Party of China?

    It’s those (((tank commander))) people. I know 2nd-hand of people involved, but they were not anywhere near Peking. The one guy was a great EE student, but got kicked out of school and became a TV repairman – no, not Sean Chen’s Dad. He never could get back into college.

    I don’t know if you’ve read anything by him, Lot, but here on unz (hey, controversial viewpoints, as the man says), there is a guy named Godfree Roberts, who is an admitted sackhanger on the butcher Chairman Mao Zedong. He has his own sackhangers or Comm-ent-Tards, as I’m designating them now, that write in on all the articles on China, including Fred Reed’s tourist takes on the place, from his 2-week adventure there.

    Peak Stupidity is pretty even-handed about the place and its people even throwing out an apology for the occasional over-the-top offensiveness (though we’ve kept our standing with the US Gov’t as an Equal Opportunity Offender.)

    • Replies: @Lot
    Godfree Roberts propagandizes for China, but doesn’t quite admire it enough to move north from Thailand.

    His main business appears to be helping Australians retire in Thailand by giving them tips on housing and help with retiree visas.

    https://www.impactgrouphr.com/wp-content/uploads/thailand_smiles_opt.jpg
    , @John Derbyshire
    Check out China Uncensored https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBzVKtTOq3s
  47. @TWS
    I have to say, 'about time'. Also, in before unz tells us what a benefit the illegal, legal whatever immigrants are just as law abiding and enriching of Australia.

    wait till he chimes in with his “hispanics commit just as few crimes as whites” bs, lol

  48. @istevefan

    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.
     
    Because they are not Europeans. And our betters think the world revolves around Europe and her New World offshoots. Though Japan might get mentioned from time to time about its declining population, they don't get pilloried like European-type nations do for not wanting immigrants.

    In fact almost all European nations, from Canada to Oz and everything in between, have taken so many immigrants in recent years that their populations of today would be completely unrecognizable to those who lived just 30 years ago. Yet even after all that, they are still condemned for not wanting more.

    Meanwhile the Japanese have barely budged their demographic makeup over the last thousand years, and all they get are just a few warnings about an aging population. Which goes to show that our elites don't really care about Japan, or any nation not of the Euro world.

    Robots. That’s the answer to the aging population question in the Land of the Rising Sun. The PRC wants to do the same thing in coming decades.

    It’s actually quite smart. Think about it: the problem is that people don’t have the money or time to have kids in a culture where the work hours, rents, and school costs are insane. Then a logical step is to let the population decline some while pursuing mass robot help. Rents will go down in the cities, as will the cost of schools because the cut-throat pressure is quieting down. People will have more time to do things. Some will have kids. Japan’s population will decrease some, but it will go on as a nation-and really, when you look at how crowded the place is and how much robots are going to take over a lot of jobs, you have to wonder how bad that fate is.

    Of course, people having more freedom, less economic pressures, and not feeling the need to bend over backwards for employers is exactly what Western oligarchs *don’t* want. So we get immiserated by articles professing that the wisest thing to do in the age of mass automation is import tens of millions of new citizens, most of whom-contra to media dogma-have no more skills than the natives.

    On the immigration issue: there is an influx of immigrants in Japan and South Korea these days. It’s very modest on Western standards, but it is there. But the biggest sources are China and Vietnam: aka, the other Confucian countries. (There’s also a Filipino presence in both countries, but many of them are women who’ve married Japanese or Korean men.) Much like Poles who are OK with Ukrainian laborers but want nothing to do with Afghans, the Japanese and Koreans understand that if you’ve got to have immigrants, having them come from your own cultural sphere is the best option.

    If you don’t look like them, in Japan or South Korea, your best bet is to have a math-oriented PhD and come for a job crunching PDEs in a bank or with a local hotshot AI startup. You’ll find it pretty easy to get a visa, no matter where you come from. I had dinner in Seoul with a Bangladeshi who’d been working there for decades. Dark-skinned and nominally Muslim at best (he drank alcohol and ate pork), but equipped with a PhD in electrical engineering and speaking Korean, so I presume he didn’t have many issues with the visa. Of course, the rub here is that relatively few of these kinds of high human capital types are going to come from the countries massively exporting “refugees”…

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Great post, one quibble: Bangladesh is definitely a historical source of refugees. But if you let them in to an unapologetically strong local culture, one at a time, and demand assimilation (as presumably happened with that guy) -- people you would otherwise reject without a closer look can become far more valuable than would be expected. You get immigration success stories from a rigorous immigration process, not brainless dumping. The open borders people are setting up xenophobia and restrictionism because they have let political realities force them to try a desperate end run, whereas if they were bringing the same people in more slowly and carefully there'd be no issue.
    >but plenty aren't going to grok what Ohms are
    The hopeless ones in this case would never be forced to wander thousands of miles, and I am counting as successes in this case those able to assimilate and get to a slightly higher class, which after all is the actual American dream.
    , @Anonymous
    Robotics will never be a big thing in the west due to Christianity, which has a big problem with creating machines in the image of man. The Japanese and other Asians don't have this problem.
  49. @Chief Seattle
    NYTimes wont rest until every place is as "globalized" as Bangladesh.

    And they smugly quoted "quality of life", so my counter-quotes are simply fair play.

    They haven’t gone after Japan. Or China.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    China is the place they're going to bail out to if the US goes down; so they can't ruin it yet.
  50. @Chief Seattle
    NYTimes wont rest until every place is as "globalized" as Bangladesh.

    And they smugly quoted "quality of life", so my counter-quotes are simply fair play.

    One of the pro-Globolization Media’s biggest cons is that so much space still remains in the West which can be gracefully filled by burgeoning 3rd World peoples. This con relies on urban & suburban Normies not thinking very deeply about the habitat of much of the terrain within their borders. If you shade out the parts of Australia, Canada, USA, & Russia which are marginal or totally unsuitable for habitation: desert, swamp, perma-frost, water depleted, inaccessible, mountainous etc., you find the habitable versions of “Big” frontier countries are vastly smaller.
    The truth is that about a quarter of the US is desirable & feasible for settlement, and less than a 1/5th of AUS & CAN

    Australians are going to realize this much sooner than most places given the vast interior desert, and the sub-tropical Croc-infested swamps in the north.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Because obviously the third world dwellers move straight into the howling countryside rather than to the nice city where their friends and relatives live. All this awful BS.
  51. OT, what’s the over-under on another billionaire marriage going to pot in the next few years?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/opinion/melinda-gates-microsoft-feminist.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Lady’s going to get some serious alimony.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    > "One of Melinda’s first challenges came in the harsh, male-dominated techie culture at Microsoft. 'It was just so brash, so argumentative and competitive, with people fighting to the end on every point...' With other women employees, they began to create oases in Microsoft where courtesy was not seen as a sign of weakness. A critical mass of women employees helped civilize the company."

    They will not stop until they impose HR lady culture on-er, "civilize"-all of us, will they?

    , @anon
    No whammies!!!

    Big Money! Big Money! Big Money!
  52. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    Africa for the Africans. Asia for the Asians. (Israel for the Jews, sometimes; they don’t seem too fond of Bibi.) White countries for…

  53. @SFG
    OT, what's the over-under on another billionaire marriage going to pot in the next few years?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/opinion/melinda-gates-microsoft-feminist.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Lady's going to get some serious alimony.

    > “One of Melinda’s first challenges came in the harsh, male-dominated techie culture at Microsoft. ‘It was just so brash, so argumentative and competitive, with people fighting to the end on every point…’ With other women employees, they began to create oases in Microsoft where courtesy was not seen as a sign of weakness. A critical mass of women employees helped civilize the company.”

    They will not stop until they impose HR lady culture on-er, “civilize”-all of us, will they?

  54. @SFG
    OT, what's the over-under on another billionaire marriage going to pot in the next few years?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/opinion/melinda-gates-microsoft-feminist.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Lady's going to get some serious alimony.

    No whammies!!!

    Big Money! Big Money! Big Money!

  55. Its not much of a reduction- from about 190,000 a year to about 160,000 and even then its probably just window dressing for the election due in a few weeks. Most of the population opposes high immigration levels but there is a business consensus to keep bringing people in to expand markets, keep wages lower, and to keep the property bubble going. Anyone who opposes high immigration or suggests a pause is immediately denounced as a racist and that ends the argument.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    What can we do to hurt these businesses?
    , @Anonymous
    Its not much of a reduction- from about 190,000 a year to about 160,000 and even then its probably just window dressing for the election due in a few weeks.

    Yes. It's a reduction to what actually came in last year with our existing stringent "Do you have a pulse?" immigration policy. So it's no real reduction at all and I have no faith that the Liberals will even hold to it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/20/coalitions-permanent-migration-cap-revealed-as-morrison-launches-population-policy

    While the government will lower the cap, as telegraphed, from 190,000 to 160,000, in practical terms, Wednesday’s shift actually delivers close to status quo. Australia accepted 162,417 permanent migrants in the past year, which was a decrease of more than 10% on the previous year.
     
    Note that Google's not even linking Fraser Anning's Conservative National Party on its front page. F*** (((Google))). Type this in: "fraser anning conservative national party". Now try it on bing. Or DDG.

    I will be preferencing the CNP first, then One Nation, then various small rightist parties, Greens last. Not sure about LNP or ALP though. Melbourne and Sydney's governments (Victoria and NSW State respectively) are saying that they've had enough immigration, so the federal government is trying to push people on visas to regional areas (actually, just anywhere except Melbourne or Sydney). The ALP has responded with an increase in the minimum wage for 457 visas, up to $65k from $54k. So that's something practical, but not the moratorium I would prefer.

    http://theconversation.com/crackdown-on-foreign-workers-is-part-of-shortens-wages-campaign-115816

    Really, Australia is just one country in the overall ongoing campaign of gradual white genocide wrought by the (((Frankfurt School))) and its adherents.
  56. A-U-S A-U-S! How do we get a serious country again? One where we can yell U-S-A U-S-A! and feel proud to do so. It is time to take our country back!

  57. @Buzz Mohawk
    Kadira Pethiyagoda, the future of Australia.

    http://www.dailynews.lk/sites/default/files/news/2018/01/17/z_piii-LKI.jpg

    We'll just call him Bruce, to avoid confusion.

    If he has an uncle named Bob then that future is bright indeed.

  58. @nebulafox
    Robots. That's the answer to the aging population question in the Land of the Rising Sun. The PRC wants to do the same thing in coming decades.

    It's actually quite smart. Think about it: the problem is that people don't have the money or time to have kids in a culture where the work hours, rents, and school costs are insane. Then a logical step is to let the population decline some while pursuing mass robot help. Rents will go down in the cities, as will the cost of schools because the cut-throat pressure is quieting down. People will have more time to do things. Some will have kids. Japan's population will decrease some, but it will go on as a nation-and really, when you look at how crowded the place is and how much robots are going to take over a lot of jobs, you have to wonder how bad that fate is.

    Of course, people having more freedom, less economic pressures, and not feeling the need to bend over backwards for employers is exactly what Western oligarchs *don't* want. So we get immiserated by articles professing that the wisest thing to do in the age of mass automation is import tens of millions of new citizens, most of whom-contra to media dogma-have no more skills than the natives.

    On the immigration issue: there is an influx of immigrants in Japan and South Korea these days. It's very modest on Western standards, but it is there. But the biggest sources are China and Vietnam: aka, the other Confucian countries. (There's also a Filipino presence in both countries, but many of them are women who've married Japanese or Korean men.) Much like Poles who are OK with Ukrainian laborers but want nothing to do with Afghans, the Japanese and Koreans understand that if you've got to have immigrants, having them come from your own cultural sphere is the best option.

    If you don't look like them, in Japan or South Korea, your best bet is to have a math-oriented PhD and come for a job crunching PDEs in a bank or with a local hotshot AI startup. You'll find it pretty easy to get a visa, no matter where you come from. I had dinner in Seoul with a Bangladeshi who'd been working there for decades. Dark-skinned and nominally Muslim at best (he drank alcohol and ate pork), but equipped with a PhD in electrical engineering and speaking Korean, so I presume he didn't have many issues with the visa. Of course, the rub here is that relatively few of these kinds of high human capital types are going to come from the countries massively exporting "refugees"...

    Great post, one quibble: Bangladesh is definitely a historical source of refugees. But if you let them in to an unapologetically strong local culture, one at a time, and demand assimilation (as presumably happened with that guy) — people you would otherwise reject without a closer look can become far more valuable than would be expected. You get immigration success stories from a rigorous immigration process, not brainless dumping. The open borders people are setting up xenophobia and restrictionism because they have let political realities force them to try a desperate end run, whereas if they were bringing the same people in more slowly and carefully there’d be no issue.
    >but plenty aren’t going to grok what Ohms are
    The hopeless ones in this case would never be forced to wander thousands of miles, and I am counting as successes in this case those able to assimilate and get to a slightly higher class, which after all is the actual American dream.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    I completely agree.

    Bangladesh is a bit of a weird case: for a country so poor and dealing with so many myriad problems, it has a hidden intellectual tradition in the burgher classes thanks to the legacy of the Bengali Renaissance. Satyendra Bose-the guy behind Bose-Einstein statistics-is perhaps the most famous example. As a result, there's a surprising number of Bangladeshi graduate students throughout East Asian countries, most of them in STEM, and the last thing they usually want to do is go back. Many of them are closet atheists or religious skeptics who wish to escape abroad, where they can live their secularism more openly, given the increasingly hostile atmosphere toward apostasy in Bangladesh. The ill-fated Avijit Roy, who got his doctorate in BME in Singapore before coming the United States, is a particularly prominent example.

    As for lower-skilled economic migration, India has a pretty nasty case of illegal immigration to deal with in West Bengal, still one of the poorest states in India (used to be a Communist stronghold) and with massive potential for communal conflict. That's why India has beefed up border security and the guards have orders to shoot.

  59. @Kapos
    Its not much of a reduction- from about 190,000 a year to about 160,000 and even then its probably just window dressing for the election due in a few weeks. Most of the population opposes high immigration levels but there is a business consensus to keep bringing people in to expand markets, keep wages lower, and to keep the property bubble going. Anyone who opposes high immigration or suggests a pause is immediately denounced as a racist and that ends the argument.

    What can we do to hurt these businesses?

  60. @White Guy In Japan
    Ironically, this is a rather "white supremacist" approach to things. Only whites have agency, only Western countries are important or desirable.

    Ironically, this is a rather “white supremacist” approach to things. Only whites have agency, only Western countries are important or desirable.

    Yes, this is just it. The whole SJW/leftist/woke worldview is founded on pride in assumed superiority. White people and their countries and cultures and values are held up, consciously or unconsciously, as the de facto standard for human flourishing, and The Other needs ‘raising up’ to this standard.

    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    "The Other needs ‘raising up’ to this standard."

    Well, these Others can't uplift themselves and thus simply must come into White spaces. And when they still can't stop shooting each other or pooping in the streets, it is of course YT's fault.

  61. said Tim Soutphommasane, a former race commissioner

    Well, “Tim” sounds okay. And he can’t be as bad as Tim Wise, or Tim Gill. The surname– is that Laotian, or Thai? Asian names are either too long, or too short.

    Mr. Morrison presented the move as a reaction to crowding in the nation’s largest cities

    Australia, like Canada, is just a string of cities on a train line. That don’t use them anymore than we do.

    more than two-thirds said their country no longer needed more people.

    Inhabitable Australia is about the size of all of Texas. Remember when they assured us that the whole world could fit into the Lone Star State at suburban density?

    You could fit the world’s population, sardine-like, into one cubic mile. There would be more than enough room in the X-Seed 4000 or Sky City 1000, should either ever be built.

    • Replies: @a reader

    Tim Soutphommasane ... is that Laotian, or Thai?
     
    French !
  62. The rise of right-wing politicians like Fraser Anning,…..

    Ah, the “right-wing politician”. Has the New York Times ever used the term “left-wing politician”?

    In the last few years, we have seen politicians state that people had a right to be bigots,” said Tim Soutphommasane….

    Don’t they? Why shouldn’t they?

  63. @istevefan

    The rise of right-wing politicians like Fraser Anning, a senator who blamed Muslim immigration for the New Zealand attacks,
     
    Is he not correct? If there had been no muslim presence in New Zealand, this particular attack would not have happened. The attacker was specifically drawn towards a muslim target. Had NZ not provided him with such target, he would have sought it elsewhere. It's not like he had a beef with NZ, and would have hit a Christian church instead.

    Now, amid a global backlash against immigration that has upended politics in the United States, Britain and much of Europe, even Australia is reversing course, turning away from a policy of welcoming skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic growth — and transformed a nation once closed to nonwhite immigrants into a multicultural society.
     
    I think they just answered their own question within this paragraph. Question: Why is Australia turning away from immigration?

    Answer: "transformed a nation once closed to nonwhite immigrants into a multicultural society."

    And what did Australia get for this transformation? "Welcoming skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic growth".

    A few points of GDP growth apparently aren't worth enough to give up your nation.

    Especially when the GDP growth is nothing but a paper artifact of the increased immigration

    Without such large-scale immigration, Australia’s GDP wouldn’t have grown in years

  64. Anon[165] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile in Australia …

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/inside-the-near-meltdown-of-the-feminist-tour-in-australia.html

    The excellent Jesse Singal has a piece about how a lecture event down under that went off the rails. A local promoter hired black, tatted-up, morbidly obese intersectional feminist writer Roxane Gay and slim AEI think tanker and “equity feminist” Christina Hoff Sommers to discuss/debate feminism.

    Sommers said, yeah, sure, and showed up. Gay and her “management company” caused all kinds of problems, involving lawsuit threats and attempts to prevent video release of the unedited video of the event, on the grounds that it racistly portrayed her as an angry black woman

    Singal is a guy who does reported-out, long-form journalism and gets it into places like New York Magazine, despite its occasional non-PC slant. He has reported on the bogusness of the implicit bias test and on the fact that some trans people revert after deciding they weren’t trans after all, both in New York Magazine.

    Sommers is a buddy of the currently-under-fire Camille Paglia:

    The physical contrast of Gay and Sommers on the couch is striking. What I really want to see is Roxane Gay vs. Marie Kondo:

    • Replies: @Moses

    What I really want to see is Roxane Gay vs. Marie Kondo:
     
    Gud one! I actually lol'd.

    I'd like to see that too.
    , @Pericles

    attempts to prevent video release of the unedited video of the event, on the grounds that it racistly portrayed her as an angry black woman

     

    Lol!
  65. When did the transition from just reporting the facts to editorializing every story become complete? It seems to have been one of those slowly at first then all at once changes. Sure the NYT might have had subtle clues to how the reporter felt about the story, but all in all most reporters were very objective. Now all kinds of woke interpretations are directly added, giving a one sided slant to events, with that arrogant attitude that every reader must agree with the reporter’s spin because there’s no other interpretation possible if you’re sophisticated enough to read the Times.

    • Agree: Lockean Proviso
  66. @Hypnotoad666
    So this "news" story just takes for granted that Australia's economic success is due to immigrants and any concerns are just ignorant because . . . "desalination."

    But then they go to a 69-year old retired power station worker as their representative spokesperson for white Australians. I can totally picture this Australian Archie Bunker sitting at the bar stool sipping his third Guinness during the interview.

    But whatever. The NYT is such a pathetic joke. No matter the topic, their bias drips from every sentence.

    But then they go to a 69-year old retired power station worker as their representative spokesperson for white Australians.

    How many Africans or Middle-Easterners work at the power-station? How much do they contribute to keeping the lights on?

  67. Anonymous[463] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kapos
    Its not much of a reduction- from about 190,000 a year to about 160,000 and even then its probably just window dressing for the election due in a few weeks. Most of the population opposes high immigration levels but there is a business consensus to keep bringing people in to expand markets, keep wages lower, and to keep the property bubble going. Anyone who opposes high immigration or suggests a pause is immediately denounced as a racist and that ends the argument.

    Its not much of a reduction- from about 190,000 a year to about 160,000 and even then its probably just window dressing for the election due in a few weeks.

    Yes. It’s a reduction to what actually came in last year with our existing stringent “Do you have a pulse?” immigration policy. So it’s no real reduction at all and I have no faith that the Liberals will even hold to it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/20/coalitions-permanent-migration-cap-revealed-as-morrison-launches-population-policy

    While the government will lower the cap, as telegraphed, from 190,000 to 160,000, in practical terms, Wednesday’s shift actually delivers close to status quo. Australia accepted 162,417 permanent migrants in the past year, which was a decrease of more than 10% on the previous year.

    Note that Google’s not even linking Fraser Anning’s Conservative National Party on its front page. F*** (((Google))). Type this in: “fraser anning conservative national party”. Now try it on bing. Or DDG.

    I will be preferencing the CNP first, then One Nation, then various small rightist parties, Greens last. Not sure about LNP or ALP though. Melbourne and Sydney’s governments (Victoria and NSW State respectively) are saying that they’ve had enough immigration, so the federal government is trying to push people on visas to regional areas (actually, just anywhere except Melbourne or Sydney). The ALP has responded with an increase in the minimum wage for 457 visas, up to $65k from $54k. So that’s something practical, but not the moratorium I would prefer.

    http://theconversation.com/crackdown-on-foreign-workers-is-part-of-shortens-wages-campaign-115816

    Really, Australia is just one country in the overall ongoing campaign of gradual white genocide wrought by the (((Frankfurt School))) and its adherents.

  68. Such concerns are widespread as views in the country have turned sharply against population growth over the past year. There is worry, though, that these “quality-of-life” complaints have been amplified by — or perhaps have masked — a deeper ambivalence about a new wave of non-European immigration, especially from Muslim countries, along with Africa and Asia. …

    Maybe a lot of Australians are pissed off that their country doesn’t look like this anymore:

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Hey, how amazing, Mr. Anon! This was the 2nd-choice song, for me behind It's a Long Way to the Top that I was going to embed to show that wonderful Australia of years ago. I had put this song in a post on Peak Stupidity 1 1/2 years ago.
  69. @Achmed E. Newman
    See, this is what's so difficult and most likely pointless about arguing this stuff with the ctrl-left: You have to get through multiple wrong premises first before you can ever even get to the major point of stupidity. Here, the authors just throw out:

    ... and that has presented itself in recent years as a model of how immigration, properly managed, can strengthen a country.
     
    Whoa, hold on hoss ... and hossette! What model? Who says it's a model of this "strengthening" of which you speak? Where is the strengthening? Show me the strengthening.

    Which Australia would I, and average American like to have visited, the crowded, expensive multi-cultural mess that is the country today (at least parts of it), or the one with people like James May (of Buzz Mohawk's hilarious clip on the other post), and where these guys introduced us to the genre of Bagpipe Rock? Just look at the band and the crowd and weep at the ruination of the once-great English-speaking world:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUXMzkh-jI

    Pssh… without diversity you wouldn’t have THIS

  70. @Endgame Napoleon
    Maybe, the Australians have the highest IQs, regardless of that pro-mass-immigration housing-bubble section. It is about quality of life. A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life. Too many immigrants lowers quality of life, especially for the native citizens, but also for the immigrants as proven in multiple mass murders by terrorists who emigrated to the West and became disgruntled with Western society. Western nations need to assimilate the immigrants they already have before adding more.

    A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life. Too many immigrants lowers quality of life,

    What is reasonable? To me immigration should not materially affect a nation’s demographic makeup. Otherwise it is mass immigration which is akin to an invasion. Just like many on our side have fallen for the whole illegal versus legal argument when it comes to immigration, they have also lost sight of distinguishing between immigration and mass immigration. Legal mass immigration is the killer combo.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Diversity is like a spice. A little adds flavor, but too much spoils the dish. Elites want you to eat a pile of black pepper.
  71. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    Smile. Nod. Say “Maybe”, mean “No”.

  72. Anon[165] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Maybe the SPLC isn’t completely crazy. There does seem to be a KKK, or at least a KKK guy:

    Surveillance video: Here’s what a KKK recruiter in downtown Lafayette looks like

    https://eu.jconline.com/story/news/2019/04/18/surveillance-video-heres-what-kkk-recruiter-downtown-lafayette-looks-like/3505449002/

    What is the KKK into these days?:

    Basically, they oppose open borders and unfettered immigration. And they blame it on Jews. They seem to have forgotten their mission to lynch blacks. The potato may be a racist anti-Irish dog whistle … oh, wait, that’s just a rock.

    The website quoted from on the flyer is that of the Federation for American Immingration Reform, a D.C.-based nonprofit lobbying group from which spun off the Center for Immigration Studies. The SPLC calls them “a hate group with close ties to white supremacist groups.” Here is their staff, including a handful of blacks and Indians.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    I remember wishing I had brought an umbrella. I was soaking wet by the end of the night.

    How much do you really believe? There is a flyer with some truth in it, and nothing illegal, with a Klan label at the bottom. Have you ever known a Klan member? Ever met one? Ever seen one anywhere at all? No.

    You can vote for Joe Biden. With his announcement this morning, he has made the Charlottesville Set Up Hoax into his platform. That is his entire campaign as of now: Trump = Hitler. Charlottesville Bad. Vote for me, Joe Biden.
    , @bomag

    There does seem to be a KKK, or at least a KKK guy
     
    Too valuable a resource to be allowed to go extinct; politics on the "wrong side of history" can easily be re-purposed; Trump is, apparently, a member in long standing.

    There's a lesson here: we were told that if we extinguished the Klan and all it stood for, things would be so much better. We've accomplished that goal to the extent that national policy is pretty much the opposite of what the Klan stood for; but the racial climate is not any better overall.

  73. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
    I keep watching them rotate the spring clockwise (given that clockwise tightens the coil.) When it finally breaks, will they reconsider? I do not think so.

    Reason will not settle this.

    I keep watching them rotate the spring clockwise…

    Farmers and zoo keepers have to know which animals they can put into the same enclosures, and which must be separated. Apparently that is too difficult a concept to grasp for those pushing a haphazard immigration policy that is so random and unplanned, that they even have a crazy lotto system to ensure maximum dissimilarity among the populace.

  74. @istevefan

    A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life. Too many immigrants lowers quality of life,
     
    What is reasonable? To me immigration should not materially affect a nation's demographic makeup. Otherwise it is mass immigration which is akin to an invasion. Just like many on our side have fallen for the whole illegal versus legal argument when it comes to immigration, they have also lost sight of distinguishing between immigration and mass immigration. Legal mass immigration is the killer combo.

    Diversity is like a spice. A little adds flavor, but too much spoils the dish. Elites want you to eat a pile of black pepper.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Elites want you to eat a pile of black pepper.
     
    It may be black, but it isn't pepper.
  75. Anonymous[463] • Disclaimer says:
    @Axto
    The article misses the main reason that Australian governments have encouraged immigration.

    The Australian public lacks geopolitical awareness and tells itself fairy tales about snakes and spiders deterring foreign armies. The last time that Australians had to confront the strategic vulnerability of their country was during World War II.

    Australian governments on the other hand are acutely aware of the risk posed by trying to hold a thinly populated landmass close to massive populations in Asia. A small, well controlled Muslim population makes an excellent human shield against Indonesia. Chinese money and immigration serves a similar purpose.

    This awareness of Australia's strategic vulnerability is also why Australia has followed the United States into every war since Korea. Australian governments don't make any strategic blunders, and when they do, they scramble to fix them: they cut foreign aid to Pacific islands in a populist pique, before realizing that China was encircling them and then quickly reversed themselves.

    Australia is going to have a bigger population in the next century: it can either control the process itself, or it can pretend to be a tiny colonial outpost of blighty until it's overrun by foreign hordes while its legions of incel shitposters try to disseminate memes over destroyed internet cables.

    The article misses the main reason that Australian governments have encouraged immigration.

    What a load of bollocks. We don’t need a “human shield” of Muslims to deter Indonesia. Simply a good navy and some help from a Yank aircraft carrier or two is all we need. Likewise with the Chinese.

    There are a few real reasons. One is Jewish influence, from Walter Lippman et al.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/07/18/the-jewish-war-on-white-australia-the-anti-defamation-commission-and-click-against-hate-part-1-of-4/

    https://thedailycoin.org/2019/03/14/how-jewish-elites-use-non-white-immigration-to-undermine-western-nations/

    http://www.jewworldorder.org/jewish-war-on-white-australia/

    https://expeltheparasite.com/tag/multiculturalism/

    And now that treason is ensconced in big business, you also have every GDP-dependent business such as Harvey Norman (importing consumer goods), the development industry etc. lobbying the government to maintain immigration.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Anon
    Simply a good navy and some help from a Yank aircraft carrier or two is all we need.

    Gotta love that casual sense of entitlement.
  76. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    How? The Japanese are a nation, they know that they are a nation. It would be absurd to import foreigners to disrupt the nation. The Japanese refused to be cowed.

  77. Boston will join Dallas in not prosecuting property crimes against working class people.
    They like baseball in that town? They got a lotta … baseball bats, by any chance, in Boston?
    http://www.unz.com/sbpdl/in-44-white-suffolk-county-mass-boston-new-black-district-attorney-pledges-not-to-prosecute-low-level-crimes-to-protect-black-and-brown-criminals/
    You can take what you want up to $1,200. Who wants a new flat screen?

    • Replies: @YurtAndBernie
    The government’s plan, which had been in the works for months, is a potential turning point for a nation that has been shaped by newcomers since its days as a British penal colony and that has presented itself in recent years as a model of how immigration, properly managed, can strengthen a country.

    So if you pay $1,199 less than what you owe in taxes they won't prosecute you, right?

    Funny. I suspect the government is going to be incredibly vigilant in prosecuting subjects - woops, I mean citizens, I really do - who underpay their taxes by $1,200.

    It's funny how the Left increasingly follows the old Southern strategy of jury nullification and states rights when it comes to enacting their preferred policies.

  78. Diversity is like a spice. A little adds flavor, but too much spoils the dish. Elites want you to eat a pile of black pepper.

    Elites want us to eat something allright, but it ain’t pepper.

  79. @Anon
    Can't they recycle urine, dishwater, and water from car washes and nuclear power plants? Also, that boy scout thing where you make Saran wrap into an inverted cone and drip condensation into a coffee can: every house could have a big version of that.

    I don't see what the problem is.

    “Can’t they recycle urine, dishwater, and water from car washes and nuclear power plants? Also, that boy scout thing where you make Saran wrap into an inverted cone and drip condensation into a coffee can: every house could have a big version of that.

    I don’t see what the problem is.”

    Let them drink Perrier!

  80. “In the last few years, we have seen politicians state that people had a right to be bigots,” said Tim Soutphommasane, a former race commissioner in Australia and a professor at the University of Sydney.

    Perhaps one reason Australians increasingly have problems with mass immigration is because they now have guys with (taxpayer-funded) job titles like “race commissioner,” who get paid big money (again, by the taxpayer) to tell Australians why rape…I mean mass immigration…is inevitable (and good for them!) so they might as well just lie back and enjoy it.

    Perhaps another reason Australians increasingly loathe mass immigration is because they never really like mass immigration, but feel increasingly liberated (as people should, in free societies) to acknowledge the fact. Not to mention that mass immigration contradicts a whole lot of other beliefs (population control, environmental protection) that the Left has been pushing for a very long time.

  81. ESCAPE FROM THE BLUE METROPOLIS

    The U.S. Census Bureau has just released their annual report on how the U.S. population is shifting, and there are some very clear patterns in the data. If you look at this Census Bureau map, you will see lots of purple (areas where the population is growing) in the west and the south, and you will see lots of orange (areas where the population is declining) in the north and the east. Of course this is a continuation of a pattern that we have been seeing for decades. Given the ability to choose, many Americans would rather live in areas of the country that are warm and sunny, and that makes a lot of sense. But that is not the only pattern that we see in the data.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/new-census-numbers-reveal-americans-are-steadily-migrating-west-and-south-and-away-from-high-tax-blue-states

  82. @Anon
    Meanwhile in Australia ...

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/inside-the-near-meltdown-of-the-feminist-tour-in-australia.html

    The excellent Jesse Singal has a piece about how a lecture event down under that went off the rails. A local promoter hired black, tatted-up, morbidly obese intersectional feminist writer Roxane Gay and slim AEI think tanker and "equity feminist" Christina Hoff Sommers to discuss/debate feminism.

    Sommers said, yeah, sure, and showed up. Gay and her "management company" caused all kinds of problems, involving lawsuit threats and attempts to prevent video release of the unedited video of the event, on the grounds that it racistly portrayed her as an angry black woman

    Singal is a guy who does reported-out, long-form journalism and gets it into places like New York Magazine, despite its occasional non-PC slant. He has reported on the bogusness of the implicit bias test and on the fact that some trans people revert after deciding they weren't trans after all, both in New York Magazine.

    Sommers is a buddy of the currently-under-fire Camille Paglia:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYG2-ykZtJo

    The physical contrast of Gay and Sommers on the couch is striking. What I really want to see is Roxane Gay vs. Marie Kondo:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnof5LqFWO8

    What I really want to see is Roxane Gay vs. Marie Kondo:

    Gud one! I actually lol’d.

    I’d like to see that too.

  83. The government’s plan, which had been in the works for months, is a potential turning point for a nation that has been shaped by newcomers since its days as a British penal colony and that has presented itself in recent years as a model of how immigration, properly managed, can strengthen a country.

    So for about 200 years Austrlian immigration was almost entirely Anglo-Celtic in origin, then entirely European in origin. It ever so briefly (in relative terms) shifts to mass immigration from Asia & Africa, and suddenly that is the “model” which it is now no longer allowed to veer away from.

    As I recall, the newly reduced immigration levels still allow immigration at a rate of about 0.625% of population annually. Assuming generations are about 30 years long (which is closer to the average age of the parent of a newborn) that means 18.75% immigration per generation, not even accounting for the fact that immigrants (especially Muslims) tend to have much bigger families than white Australians.

    That is, to be blunt, a shitload of immigration, but somehow still not enough for the proponents of white genocide.

  84. @Lot
    “skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic growth ... a deeper ambivalence about a new wave of non-European immigration, especially from Muslim countries”

    https://voiceofeurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/street-prayer-e1511183677695.jpg

    “We’ve come to ‘fuel economic growth’ don’t worry nothing could go wrong!”

    Yeah. Muslims. Chinese. Africans. What’s not to love?

  85. @Anonymouse55uu
    Writing from Australia during an election campaign. Something rarely observed from outside is that our main center left party, Labor, is formally integrated with the Labor unions. In practice a handful of union officials can choose all of Labor's candidates for parliament and unsurprisingly usually choose their own - candidate for prime minister bill shorten is a former Secretary of one of the largest unions. The center left then runs on union dues and public funding and has never needed much big business backing. It's also the anti-british side of politics, perhaps given Irish Catholic rather than protestant roots (the center right is traditionally protestant). A consequence of these forces is that the Australian center left is vaguely nationalist and mildly immigration skeptical. Just in the last week Labor leader shorten and employment spokesman Brendan o'Connor (note the name - also a former union official and brother of the boss of the militant construction union) have announced a policy of increasing the minimum wage at which employers can sponsor skilled worker visas and a review to ensure skilled visas are only granted where there are genuine shortages. In practice this could lead to big overall cuts to immigration numbers by the center left given that 60% of all entrants are on skilled visas and up to 80% of those may not really be needed to meet shortages.

    None of this is in the NYT article of course.

    In practice this could lead to big overall cuts to immigration numbers by the center left

    And then Labor promise to let migrants bring their elderly parents.
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/04/labor-loons-to-give-unlimited-visas-to-migrant-elderly-parents/

  86. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Ironically, this is a rather “white supremacist” approach to things. Only whites have agency, only Western countries are important or desirable.

     

    Yes, this is just it. The whole SJW/leftist/woke worldview is founded on pride in assumed superiority. White people and their countries and cultures and values are held up, consciously or unconsciously, as the de facto standard for human flourishing, and The Other needs 'raising up' to this standard.

    “The Other needs ‘raising up’ to this standard.”

    Well, these Others can’t uplift themselves and thus simply must come into White spaces. And when they still can’t stop shooting each other or pooping in the streets, it is of course YT’s fault.

  87. @J.Ross
    Great post, one quibble: Bangladesh is definitely a historical source of refugees. But if you let them in to an unapologetically strong local culture, one at a time, and demand assimilation (as presumably happened with that guy) -- people you would otherwise reject without a closer look can become far more valuable than would be expected. You get immigration success stories from a rigorous immigration process, not brainless dumping. The open borders people are setting up xenophobia and restrictionism because they have let political realities force them to try a desperate end run, whereas if they were bringing the same people in more slowly and carefully there'd be no issue.
    >but plenty aren't going to grok what Ohms are
    The hopeless ones in this case would never be forced to wander thousands of miles, and I am counting as successes in this case those able to assimilate and get to a slightly higher class, which after all is the actual American dream.

    I completely agree.

    Bangladesh is a bit of a weird case: for a country so poor and dealing with so many myriad problems, it has a hidden intellectual tradition in the burgher classes thanks to the legacy of the Bengali Renaissance. Satyendra Bose-the guy behind Bose-Einstein statistics-is perhaps the most famous example. As a result, there’s a surprising number of Bangladeshi graduate students throughout East Asian countries, most of them in STEM, and the last thing they usually want to do is go back. Many of them are closet atheists or religious skeptics who wish to escape abroad, where they can live their secularism more openly, given the increasingly hostile atmosphere toward apostasy in Bangladesh. The ill-fated Avijit Roy, who got his doctorate in BME in Singapore before coming the United States, is a particularly prominent example.

    As for lower-skilled economic migration, India has a pretty nasty case of illegal immigration to deal with in West Bengal, still one of the poorest states in India (used to be a Communist stronghold) and with massive potential for communal conflict. That’s why India has beefed up border security and the guards have orders to shoot.

  88. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    It’s been so long ago ( the 80s) I can’t remember where I read it but I do remember reading a few articles in the MSM condemning the Japanese for being antisemitic for not wanting lots of Jews as immigrants . IIRC this was when the USA was in a bad way due to falling oil prices and the Japanese economy was strong . They were buying up whole neighborhoods in the oil patch and the racist MSM was alarmed at the time . Being an antisemite my self I remember those articles .
    Even in Troy , Ohio POP. 22,000 where my grandmother lived right on I-75 the Wiley Oriental Gentlemen had set up acres of warehouses and had a good number of Japanese there running them with temp. US workers hired through the State run employment agency doing the heavy lifting . 6mos. no benefits and laid off. My old man a WW2 vet said that if someone had gone to sleep in 1943 and woken in 198? he would have thought the Japs had won the war . One story I heard from my friends concerned a guy washing his car in his driveway and a newly arrived Japanese pulling up and asking him how much he wanted for his house , which wasn’t for sale , as the story goes he was offered so much he agreed to sell .

  89. @J.Ross
    Boston will join Dallas in not prosecuting property crimes against working class people.
    They like baseball in that town? They got a lotta ... baseball bats, by any chance, in Boston?
    http://www.unz.com/sbpdl/in-44-white-suffolk-county-mass-boston-new-black-district-attorney-pledges-not-to-prosecute-low-level-crimes-to-protect-black-and-brown-criminals/
    You can take what you want up to $1,200. Who wants a new flat screen?

    The government’s plan, which had been in the works for months, is a potential turning point for a nation that has been shaped by newcomers since its days as a British penal colony and that has presented itself in recent years as a model of how immigration, properly managed, can strengthen a country.

    So if you pay $1,199 less than what you owe in taxes they won’t prosecute you, right?

    Funny. I suspect the government is going to be incredibly vigilant in prosecuting subjects – woops, I mean citizens, I really do – who underpay their taxes by $1,200.

    It’s funny how the Left increasingly follows the old Southern strategy of jury nullification and states rights when it comes to enacting their preferred policies.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Balkanization will solve a lot of problems, it can't come soon enough.
  90. @216
    The Financial Times is Japanese-owned.

    Japan minds its own business internationally, doesn't bomb countries at the behest of neoconservatism.

    Japan donates more per capita of foreign aid and to the UN.

    Geographic isolation means few boats reaching the shores. Something of a wonder that there wasn't a rash of illegal Russian migrants after the fall of the USSR.

    Geographic isolation means few boats reaching [Japanese] shores.

    Right. Because New Zealand is practically right smack dab in the center of Africa, so that’s different somehow.

    And of course if only Israel were in, say, the Middle East, rather than way out in the middle of the Pacific, surely everyone would have expected it to take in a few hundred thousand Syrian refugees. But why should Syrian refugees be forced to swim all the way to Israel when Canada is so darn tootin’ close?

    • Replies: @216
    Is there a treaty obligation to accept anyone designated by UNHCR? I don't know the specifics.

    Israel had a problem of Eritrean/Sudanese migrants that they have been unable to send back, they stopped more by building a wall.

    Most of the Syrians went to Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey. Israel should have been more generous in granting work permits to the refugees, but that would have been an impossible political sell.

    There was a boat that went all the way from Syria to Canada?
  91. @istevefan

    The rise of right-wing politicians like Fraser Anning, a senator who blamed Muslim immigration for the New Zealand attacks,
     
    Is he not correct? If there had been no muslim presence in New Zealand, this particular attack would not have happened. The attacker was specifically drawn towards a muslim target. Had NZ not provided him with such target, he would have sought it elsewhere. It's not like he had a beef with NZ, and would have hit a Christian church instead.

    Now, amid a global backlash against immigration that has upended politics in the United States, Britain and much of Europe, even Australia is reversing course, turning away from a policy of welcoming skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic growth — and transformed a nation once closed to nonwhite immigrants into a multicultural society.
     
    I think they just answered their own question within this paragraph. Question: Why is Australia turning away from immigration?

    Answer: "transformed a nation once closed to nonwhite immigrants into a multicultural society."

    And what did Australia get for this transformation? "Welcoming skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic growth".

    A few points of GDP growth apparently aren't worth enough to give up your nation.

    ” into a multicultural society.” Read shithole .

  92. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    I think you misspelled “Israel.”

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Yurt, very funny, but correct.
  93. @Dave Pinsen
    Diversity is like a spice. A little adds flavor, but too much spoils the dish. Elites want you to eat a pile of black pepper.

    Elites want you to eat a pile of black pepper.

    It may be black, but it isn’t pepper.

    • Replies: @Anon
    How do you know that? Did you try it?
  94. @Hypnotoad666
    So this "news" story just takes for granted that Australia's economic success is due to immigrants and any concerns are just ignorant because . . . "desalination."

    But then they go to a 69-year old retired power station worker as their representative spokesperson for white Australians. I can totally picture this Australian Archie Bunker sitting at the bar stool sipping his third Guinness during the interview.

    But whatever. The NYT is such a pathetic joke. No matter the topic, their bias drips from every sentence.

    “But then they go to a 69-year old retired power station worker as their representative spokesperson for white Australians. I can totally picture this Australian Archie Bunker sitting at the bar stool sipping his third Guinness during the interview.”
    Imagine asking a deplorable for his opinion when there are so many sophisticates such as yourself available for comment .

  95. @Anonymous
    The article misses the main reason that Australian governments have encouraged immigration.

    What a load of bollocks. We don't need a "human shield" of Muslims to deter Indonesia. Simply a good navy and some help from a Yank aircraft carrier or two is all we need. Likewise with the Chinese.

    There are a few real reasons. One is Jewish influence, from Walter Lippman et al.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/07/18/the-jewish-war-on-white-australia-the-anti-defamation-commission-and-click-against-hate-part-1-of-4/

    https://thedailycoin.org/2019/03/14/how-jewish-elites-use-non-white-immigration-to-undermine-western-nations/

    http://www.jewworldorder.org/jewish-war-on-white-australia/

    https://expeltheparasite.com/tag/multiculturalism/

    And now that treason is ensconced in big business, you also have every GDP-dependent business such as Harvey Norman (importing consumer goods), the development industry etc. lobbying the government to maintain immigration.

    Simply a good navy and some help from a Yank aircraft carrier or two is all we need.

    Gotta love that casual sense of entitlement.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Why do you think we fought in every war the US fought for the last century or so? That there should be no quid pro quo? That is the reality of the situation. We also have a shared UK heritage, we are literal brother countries.

    The key point is that all island countries have a naval focus. Even the USA may be considered a large island north of the Panama Canal, which is why they are all about their navy.

    Eurasian nations must prioritise armies.
    , @Brutusale
    The Aussies have been valuable brothers in arms for just about every military misadventure we've had in the past 70 years. I imagine that their importance in gathering Asian elint (Five Eyes) can't be overstated.
  96. @Achmed E. Newman
    It's those (((tank commander))) people. I know 2nd-hand of people involved, but they were not anywhere near Peking. The one guy was a great EE student, but got kicked out of school and became a TV repairman - no, not Sean Chen's Dad. He never could get back into college.

    I don't know if you've read anything by him, Lot, but here on unz (hey, controversial viewpoints, as the man says), there is a guy named Godfree Roberts, who is an admitted sackhanger on the butcher Chairman Mao Zedong. He has his own sackhangers or Comm-ent-Tards, as I'm designating them now, that write in on all the articles on China, including Fred Reed's tourist takes on the place, from his 2-week adventure there.

    Peak Stupidity is pretty even-handed about the place and its people even throwing out an apology for the occasional over-the-top offensiveness (though we've kept our standing with the US Gov't as an Equal Opportunity Offender.)

    Godfree Roberts propagandizes for China, but doesn’t quite admire it enough to move north from Thailand.

    His main business appears to be helping Australians retire in Thailand by giving them tips on housing and help with retiree visas.

  97. @Endgame Napoleon
    Maybe, the Australians have the highest IQs, regardless of that pro-mass-immigration housing-bubble section. It is about quality of life. A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life. Too many immigrants lowers quality of life, especially for the native citizens, but also for the immigrants as proven in multiple mass murders by terrorists who emigrated to the West and became disgruntled with Western society. Western nations need to assimilate the immigrants they already have before adding more.

    Did you miss the part where Oz has successfully “strengthened” itself through immigration. They use that word “strength” as if clogged streets, crime, rape, loss of heritage, creaking infrastructure and wasted tax money is seen by Joe Average as strong in any possible sense of the word. Still, they plug the narrative in very bloody white country and even Asian ones now.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Lots of the "right" people got rich.

    Bankers, real estate developers, speculators, senior management, execs. They kicked back their winnings to a lot of powerful people.

    Who makes money when housing prices climb? Somebody is getting rich.
  98. Evil Jewishness to blame for falling support for Palestinians.

  99. @Endgame Napoleon
    Maybe, the Australians have the highest IQs, regardless of that pro-mass-immigration housing-bubble section. It is about quality of life. A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life. Too many immigrants lowers quality of life, especially for the native citizens, but also for the immigrants as proven in multiple mass murders by terrorists who emigrated to the West and became disgruntled with Western society. Western nations need to assimilate the immigrants they already have before adding more.

    I’ll take zero non-white immigrants. Fuck “quality of life.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I’ll take zero non-white immigrants. Fuck “quality of life.”

    It's actually two for the price of one.
  100. “Instead, based on the nationwide polling, the place where residents were least likely to be opposed to population growth was Surry Hills, an inner suburb of Sydney where housing prices have skyrocketed ….”

    While housing prices in Surry Hills have not exactly skyrocketed recently, the uptick of 5% on its housing prices over the last 12 months is noteworthy in that prices in many other Sydney suburbs have declined significantly, double digits in many cases, e.g. Centennial Park at -28% y-o-y. In fact, a couple recent auctions have failed or were pulled.

    So, I’d posit that Surry Hills is living on borrowed time.

    I used to tell friends that Australia is like California, but without the drive-by shootings. Now they have those plus other forms of gang violence, brought to them by immigrants. It is hard to miss when the perps are clearly diverse.

  101. Anonymous[463] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Simply a good navy and some help from a Yank aircraft carrier or two is all we need.

    Gotta love that casual sense of entitlement.

    Why do you think we fought in every war the US fought for the last century or so? That there should be no quid pro quo? That is the reality of the situation. We also have a shared UK heritage, we are literal brother countries.

    The key point is that all island countries have a naval focus. Even the USA may be considered a large island north of the Panama Canal, which is why they are all about their navy.

    Eurasian nations must prioritise armies.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    It's fascinating the watch the new theories neocons are coming up with to promote the same old globalist policies in the age of the alt-right. This one wants to tell us that Australia needs Muslim and Chinese immigration to stop a Muslim or Chinese invasion.

    I call this style of argumentation neoconservatism2.0. They will claim that some policy that neocons have always wanted is somehow helpful to those who have nationalistic goals, even when it's blatantly nonsensical. It's a sign of desperation and it's not working on anyone under 60.
    , @dfordoom

    Why do you think we fought in every war the US fought for the last century or so? That there should be no quid pro quo? That is the reality of the situation. We also have a shared UK heritage, we are literal brother countries.
     
    That brother country stuff is a delusion. We may have a shared heritage but the Brits don't give a damn about us and there's no reason why we should give a damn about them.

    Same with the Yanks. Thinking they owe us something and thinking we can rely on them is pure wishful thinking. They owe us nothing and we owe them nothing.
  102. Anonymous[463] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor
    I'll take zero non-white immigrants. Fuck "quality of life."

    I’ll take zero non-white immigrants. Fuck “quality of life.”

    It’s actually two for the price of one.

  103. Anonymous[300] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Kadira Pethiyagoda’.

    Ahhh, makes more nostalgic for some really good old Australian names – the best example being ‘Les Hiddens’ – you absolutely cannot get more Australian than that, with that good old early 20th century Anglo Saxon forename ‘Leslie’ – itself an ancient Scottish surname – being typically foreshortened in the Aussie way to ‘Les’, and the surname ‘Hiddens’ good Anglo Saxon tough and no nonsense.

    Les Hiddens, by the way, used to front the classic TV show ‘Bush Tucker Man’ in which Hiddens – a seasoned bushman himself – used to subsist on Aussie wild fare gathered from the parched bush – wichetty grubs, honey ants, that sort of thing. Resplendent in the ‘uniform’ of khaki bush-hat and the obligatory shorts. Proper short trousers, mind you, tailored cut off trousers not those hideous abominations from So Cal.

  104. Here’s a question for Australians. Is it possible that immigration restrictionism is an easier sell in Australia compared to the United States, because in Australia there’s not merely a shallow “white” identity but a specifically Anglo-Celtic character of the nation which has managed to hold on?

    • Replies: @Alan D
    As an Australian, I think that your idea is correct. The old Anglo-Celtic identity is holding on but, because of political correctness, any public figure who praises it will be called a racist. The correct procedure is to deny its existence or say how awful it is.
    , @sb
    I hope so .
    I am not anywhere as pessimistic about Australia's future as I am about the USA's
    But maybe that's wishful thinking
    , @Cowboy Shaw
    I can answer that for NZ and say yes, absolutely. There is a sleeper element in NZ too in the Maori community. At the moment I get the feeling Maori elites are happy to stick it a bit to the Pakeha (Europeans) and cuddle up a bit with China, but they've got a good thing going on right now, and they'll turn on a dime once they see that threatened by too many newcomers insufficiently reverent to the holy and sacred document that is the Treaty of Waitangi, and their exhalted high status as Tangata Whenua (People of the Land).
    , @Kratoklastes
    I'm not a Strayan, but I've lived here for most of the last 45 years (having come from Ao Tea Roa when I was 7).

    Urban-Sophisticate Australia is just as fucked as the rest of the sophisticated West: absolutely chockers with virtue-signallers and other fuck-knuckles, and has been for quite some time.

    To give some context: in 1994 the Student Union at my alma mater decided it needed a Women's Officer (with a handsome salary paid out of student compulsory union fees).

    Quick as a flash, me and some mates decided we would run a male candidate... so we went over the the Engineers café (engineering students were sensibly kept away from other students), and we knew we would get the numbers to win any ballot (because the Engies love a piss-take).

    The comfortable-shoes wymmyn who had the position earmarked for one of their own heard about it, and by the end of that afternoon they had University Council pass a resolution that candidates for the position could not be male.

    Why do I mention this? Because it was 25 years ago, and shit has gotten far far far worse since then.

    Imagine a national discourse that is aimed halfway between a working class stay-at-home mother (who failed Year 10) and a female secondary school teacher.

    In other words, the political zeitgeist in the metro-urban areas makes the audience of Ellen or Oprah look like an MIT graduate seminar.
    , @Ed
    I’m not Australian but I’ve been following their turn away from immigration. I think their media not being universally pro-immigration is key. The Murdoch media empire controls large swaths of the media their and it leans to the right. I’ve seen reports on YouTube where the media there explicitly links Sudanese youth to crime, something you wouldn’t even find a Fox News.
    , @dfordoom

    Is it possible that immigration restrictionism is an easier sell in Australia compared to the United States,
     
    It's not an easier sell here. The entire establishment, the media, the corporate sector, the major political parties, are all absolutely united in wanting and demanding mass immigration. Our immigration levels are sky-high.

    We have a couple of minor political parties that are immigration restrictionist. They get less than 5% of the vote. So 95% of the population votes for parties that are fanatically pro-immigration.
  105. @Dr. X

    “In the last few years, we have seen politicians state that people had a right to be bigots,” said Tim Soutphommasane, a former race commissioner in Australia and a professor at the University of Sydney.
     
    "Race commissioner" and "professor" with a Laotian name. Yeah, right.

    Sounds like a real asset to Australia. How did they ever manage to get by without him?

    Tim Soutphommasane is a flat out anti-white racist whose ‘progressive’ bigotry has boosted a tuppence-colored mediocrity into being the go-to pundit for all things migratory and ghetto.

  106. One thing that may be hardening Australian attitudes towards immigration is the insane price of real estate in all the capital cities. Even in the regional areas where the government says it wants to funnel immigrants real estate prices are crazy and jobs, particularly high paying jobs, are scarce. Its a poor bargain to earn an extra ten thousand dollars a year (thanks to the supposed benefits of high immigration) if the house you want to buy costs an extra half a million dollars because of this same immigration.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    A friend from Oz was here recently, he was bemoaning the price of housing* and attributed much of the issue to the presence of Chinese. He has never studied or had an interest in economics or politics and in no possible way could be described as 'racist' yet he has grasped the fundamentals in a way that escapes the NYT.

    *So much so that he might consider moving to the UK to get a better deal.
    , @IHTG
    If true, there's a lesson for America here. You can build up support for immigration restriction in the future by shifting the composition of current immigration towards those most likely to compete with elites for living space.
  107. @SFG
    They haven't gone after Japan. Or China.

    China is the place they’re going to bail out to if the US goes down; so they can’t ruin it yet.

  108. @Buzz Mohawk
    Kadira Pethiyagoda, the future of Australia.

    http://www.dailynews.lk/sites/default/files/news/2018/01/17/z_piii-LKI.jpg

    We'll just call him Bruce, to avoid confusion.

    But is he a poofter?

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @anon
    He's a Candidate of the ALP, no wife is mentioned, he's Sri Lankan, and he's a Human Rights Lawyer.
    99.9% chance he's a poofter.
    , @Kratoklastes
    How dare you.

    Rule 1 of the Faculty Rules of the University of Wooloomooloo isn't just some stupid shit that isn't taken seriously (like the US Constitution).

    In fact, it's taken so seriously that it's Rule N N%2=1 - a lot of people (especially drongoes like Poms and Yanks) think the Rules stop at 7 ("No Poofters") but Rule 6 repeats ad infinitum for all even integers.
    , @nebulafox
    Oh, that reminds me of some unfinished business I have on this website. I got this video from Tiny Duck, and need to take a poll here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETR9qrVS17g

    Click AGREE if you think Adam is a bit light in the loafers. Click LOL if you think he just has the most punchable face... ever. Freeze at about 0:03 or 0:04 when he's smiling: that's where you should judge. Does he make the mark?

    I'll go with LOL myself, because the homosexual dude I just talked to about turning around my life today-an unapologetic right-winger-would be supremely annoyed to have anything in common with him.

    Thank you all, you've been a wonderful audience!

  109. When the New York Times begins supporting Arab and African immigration to Israel (rather than building walls), those people at the newspaper will start looking less to be such hypocrites.

  110. @daffodil
    Why does the NYT never advocate for Israel to increase diversity with mass migration? Israel has declared itself an explicitly Jewish nation, that doesn't sound very diversity-loving.
    The NYT is good at wording things to affect the reader. In this article , it is claimed Australia is turning away from skilled foreigners. But anyone who cares knows the vast majority of immigrants worldwide are not trained to do anything. Look at the Mexico border- people with no or little education, possessionless and broke, many not fluent even in their village's dialect.

    Ah yes, I can still remember all the official BS about highly skilled Syrian asylum seekers. (In my case for Sweden but it’s all the same, isn’t it.) They keep quiet about that nowadays.

  111. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    One of the pro-Globolization Media's biggest cons is that so much space still remains in the West which can be gracefully filled by burgeoning 3rd World peoples. This con relies on urban & suburban Normies not thinking very deeply about the habitat of much of the terrain within their borders. If you shade out the parts of Australia, Canada, USA, & Russia which are marginal or totally unsuitable for habitation: desert, swamp, perma-frost, water depleted, inaccessible, mountainous etc., you find the habitable versions of "Big" frontier countries are vastly smaller.
    The truth is that about a quarter of the US is desirable & feasible for settlement, and less than a 1/5th of AUS & CAN

    Australians are going to realize this much sooner than most places given the vast interior desert, and the sub-tropical Croc-infested swamps in the north.

    Because obviously the third world dwellers move straight into the howling countryside rather than to the nice city where their friends and relatives live. All this awful BS.

  112. @Anon
    Meanwhile in Australia ...

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/inside-the-near-meltdown-of-the-feminist-tour-in-australia.html

    The excellent Jesse Singal has a piece about how a lecture event down under that went off the rails. A local promoter hired black, tatted-up, morbidly obese intersectional feminist writer Roxane Gay and slim AEI think tanker and "equity feminist" Christina Hoff Sommers to discuss/debate feminism.

    Sommers said, yeah, sure, and showed up. Gay and her "management company" caused all kinds of problems, involving lawsuit threats and attempts to prevent video release of the unedited video of the event, on the grounds that it racistly portrayed her as an angry black woman

    Singal is a guy who does reported-out, long-form journalism and gets it into places like New York Magazine, despite its occasional non-PC slant. He has reported on the bogusness of the implicit bias test and on the fact that some trans people revert after deciding they weren't trans after all, both in New York Magazine.

    Sommers is a buddy of the currently-under-fire Camille Paglia:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYG2-ykZtJo

    The physical contrast of Gay and Sommers on the couch is striking. What I really want to see is Roxane Gay vs. Marie Kondo:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnof5LqFWO8

    attempts to prevent video release of the unedited video of the event, on the grounds that it racistly portrayed her as an angry black woman

    Lol!

  113. @Redneck farmer
    But is he a poofter?

    He’s a Candidate of the ALP, no wife is mentioned, he’s Sri Lankan, and he’s a Human Rights Lawyer.
    99.9% chance he’s a poofter.

  114. Australia to reopen (Christmas) island detention camp after refugee bill
    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/australia/2019/02/12/australia-to-reopen-island-detention-camp-after-refugee-bill.html

    Know your South Sea Island detention centers, Christmas Island:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Island_Detention_Centre
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Island#Refugee_and_immigration_detention

    Locals demand that Australia leave all the non Australian island refugee centers. The Christmas Island refugees will be in Australia.

    Nauru was closed, bringing America its first Rohingya Americans.

    Many detainees have since been returned to their countries of origin, including Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan and “unknown” destinations. Asylum-seekers found to be genuine refugees have been detained on the island since mid-2013.[4]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru_Regional_Processing_Centre

    Death bed confession:
    “Nauru government should find a better way than living on these people’s blood,” he added.
    http://www.kake.com/story/40332840/taking-australias-asylum-seekers-was-a-deal-with-the-devil-former-nauru-leader

  115. @Anon
    Simply a good navy and some help from a Yank aircraft carrier or two is all we need.

    Gotta love that casual sense of entitlement.

    The Aussies have been valuable brothers in arms for just about every military misadventure we’ve had in the past 70 years. I imagine that their importance in gathering Asian elint (Five Eyes) can’t be overstated.

  116. @IHTG
    Here's a question for Australians. Is it possible that immigration restrictionism is an easier sell in Australia compared to the United States, because in Australia there's not merely a shallow "white" identity but a specifically Anglo-Celtic character of the nation which has managed to hold on?

    As an Australian, I think that your idea is correct. The old Anglo-Celtic identity is holding on but, because of political correctness, any public figure who praises it will be called a racist. The correct procedure is to deny its existence or say how awful it is.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    God forbid you grow some balls and not care what idiots call you.
  117. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    Because Japan is sorely lacking in (((fellow Japanese)))

    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    Yes, but in Japan we have some (((journalists))) beating the drums for diversity.

    https://twitter.com/jakeadelstein/status/1041675568519892992?lang=en
  118. @Lurker

    Young political candidates like Kadira Pethiyagoda are at the forefront of potential change.
     
    And then Australia can resemble South Asia, which will obviously be a desirable outcome.

    Indeed.

    And this quote from the article:

    trying to figure out the next phase of integration for a more globalized nation

    Creepy, like a dystopian scifi novel where they are deciding which body part to remove and replace with cybernetics.

  119. @Endgame Napoleon
    Maybe, the Australians have the highest IQs, regardless of that pro-mass-immigration housing-bubble section. It is about quality of life. A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life. Too many immigrants lowers quality of life, especially for the native citizens, but also for the immigrants as proven in multiple mass murders by terrorists who emigrated to the West and became disgruntled with Western society. Western nations need to assimilate the immigrants they already have before adding more.

    Western nations need to assimilate the immigrants they already have before adding more.

    Why do we have to be burdened with the effort of assimilation? What peoples in the history of the world succeeded by assimilating others? Every nation I know of raised up their own people by repeated fornication. Maybe we should try that.

  120. @Anon
    OT

    Maybe the SPLC isn't completely crazy. There does seem to be a KKK, or at least a KKK guy:

    Surveillance video: Here’s what a KKK recruiter in downtown Lafayette looks like

    https://eu.jconline.com/story/news/2019/04/18/surveillance-video-heres-what-kkk-recruiter-downtown-lafayette-looks-like/3505449002/

    What is the KKK into these days?:

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/04/16/PLAI/2f2b68af-1c23-4928-a49d-ac4eb7271c1e-IMG_8887.jpg

    Basically, they oppose open borders and unfettered immigration. And they blame it on Jews. They seem to have forgotten their mission to lynch blacks. The potato may be a racist anti-Irish dog whistle ... oh, wait, that's just a rock.

    The website quoted from on the flyer is that of the Federation for American Immingration Reform, a D.C.-based nonprofit lobbying group from which spun off the Center for Immigration Studies. The SPLC calls them "a hate group with close ties to white supremacist groups." Here is their staff, including a handful of blacks and Indians.

    I remember wishing I had brought an umbrella. I was soaking wet by the end of the night.

    How much do you really believe? There is a flyer with some truth in it, and nothing illegal, with a Klan label at the bottom. Have you ever known a Klan member? Ever met one? Ever seen one anywhere at all? No.

    You can vote for Joe Biden. With his announcement this morning, he has made the Charlottesville Set Up Hoax into his platform. That is his entire campaign as of now: Trump = Hitler. Charlottesville Bad. Vote for me, Joe Biden.

  121. @daffodil
    Why does the NYT never advocate for Israel to increase diversity with mass migration? Israel has declared itself an explicitly Jewish nation, that doesn't sound very diversity-loving.
    The NYT is good at wording things to affect the reader. In this article , it is claimed Australia is turning away from skilled foreigners. But anyone who cares knows the vast majority of immigrants worldwide are not trained to do anything. Look at the Mexico border- people with no or little education, possessionless and broke, many not fluent even in their village's dialect.

    Why does the NYT never advocate for Israel to increase diversity with mass migration?

    They do all the time. Many editorials and op-eds against Israel turning away and deporting African asylum seekers.

  122. @IHTG
    Here's a question for Australians. Is it possible that immigration restrictionism is an easier sell in Australia compared to the United States, because in Australia there's not merely a shallow "white" identity but a specifically Anglo-Celtic character of the nation which has managed to hold on?

    I hope so .
    I am not anywhere as pessimistic about Australia’s future as I am about the USA’s
    But maybe that’s wishful thinking

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    I am not anywhere as pessimistic about Australia’s future as I am about the USA’s
    But maybe that’s wishful thinking
     
    I'd be optimistic about Australia's future if there was a chance of cutting all ties with the United States. Everything that has contributed to wrecking Australia over the past half century has originated in the United States.
  123. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    “Fellow Japanese People” tend to stand out, there.

  124. @YurtAndBernie
    Geographic isolation means few boats reaching [Japanese] shores.

    Right. Because New Zealand is practically right smack dab in the center of Africa, so that's different somehow.

    And of course if only Israel were in, say, the Middle East, rather than way out in the middle of the Pacific, surely everyone would have expected it to take in a few hundred thousand Syrian refugees. But why should Syrian refugees be forced to swim all the way to Israel when Canada is so darn tootin' close?

    Is there a treaty obligation to accept anyone designated by UNHCR? I don’t know the specifics.

    Israel had a problem of Eritrean/Sudanese migrants that they have been unable to send back, they stopped more by building a wall.

    Most of the Syrians went to Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey. Israel should have been more generous in granting work permits to the refugees, but that would have been an impossible political sell.

    There was a boat that went all the way from Syria to Canada?

  125. Anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @daffodil
    Why does the NYT never advocate for Israel to increase diversity with mass migration? Israel has declared itself an explicitly Jewish nation, that doesn't sound very diversity-loving.
    The NYT is good at wording things to affect the reader. In this article , it is claimed Australia is turning away from skilled foreigners. But anyone who cares knows the vast majority of immigrants worldwide are not trained to do anything. Look at the Mexico border- people with no or little education, possessionless and broke, many not fluent even in their village's dialect.

    Ummmm they also dont advocate for Pakistan,Bangladesh,Afghanistan,Bahrain,Brunei,Indonesia,Malaysia,Saudi Arabia,Qatar,Oman,UAE,yemen,Iran,Iraq,Syria,Lebanon,jordan,Turkey,Egypt,Libya,Tunisia,Algeria,morocco,Chad,Sudan,Djibouti,Bosnia,Eritrea,somalia,Mali,Mauritania ,Uzbekistan,Tajikistan,Kyrgyzstan,Kosovo ,Nigeria,burkina faso, ivory coast or Niger to increase diversity in their declared Islamic republics. Strange you would use the sole example of the Jewish state to make your “point”.

  126. @Achmed E. Newman
    See, this is what's so difficult and most likely pointless about arguing this stuff with the ctrl-left: You have to get through multiple wrong premises first before you can ever even get to the major point of stupidity. Here, the authors just throw out:

    ... and that has presented itself in recent years as a model of how immigration, properly managed, can strengthen a country.
     
    Whoa, hold on hoss ... and hossette! What model? Who says it's a model of this "strengthening" of which you speak? Where is the strengthening? Show me the strengthening.

    Which Australia would I, and average American like to have visited, the crowded, expensive multi-cultural mess that is the country today (at least parts of it), or the one with people like James May (of Buzz Mohawk's hilarious clip on the other post), and where these guys introduced us to the genre of Bagpipe Rock? Just look at the band and the crowd and weep at the ruination of the once-great English-speaking world:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUXMzkh-jI

    Magnificent.

  127. A big problem Australia has turning off this tap is that a quarter century of economic expansion has left them with a still very unsophisticated economy. Short of digging stuff out of the ground and being engaged in the building of Australia, they’re not up to much else these days. Brisbane and Melbourne now have enormous skylines filled with residential buildings sold off plan to Asians. Sydney at least operates as a regional hub.

    Incidentally I’ve just been to the ANZAC memorial services at the Cenotaph and Westminster Abbey. When the Elgar starts cranking and the Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry saunter down the aisle past you amidst all the other splendour and stuff it’s hard not to get taken away by the celestial grandeur of it all. Young Aussies and Kiwis are a pretty phlegmatic bunch, and their connection to all this stuff is curious; it will be interesting to see how the changed makeup of the countries effects this in the future years. The newcomers to both countries were massively absent from these services in London for the moment at least.

  128. @IHTG
    Here's a question for Australians. Is it possible that immigration restrictionism is an easier sell in Australia compared to the United States, because in Australia there's not merely a shallow "white" identity but a specifically Anglo-Celtic character of the nation which has managed to hold on?

    I can answer that for NZ and say yes, absolutely. There is a sleeper element in NZ too in the Maori community. At the moment I get the feeling Maori elites are happy to stick it a bit to the Pakeha (Europeans) and cuddle up a bit with China, but they’ve got a good thing going on right now, and they’ll turn on a dime once they see that threatened by too many newcomers insufficiently reverent to the holy and sacred document that is the Treaty of Waitangi, and their exhalted high status as Tangata Whenua (People of the Land).

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    Exactly. The Maori do not have that suicidal impulse far too common among white liberals. And white liberals are thick on the ground in New Zealand.

    If the Maori stand up to defend their homeland and say enough, the foolishness of importing the Third World to New Zealand will stop.

    If one had to rely on the white population in New Zealand to defend their homeland the nation would be doomed.

  129. @Harpo of Wolli Creek
    One thing that may be hardening Australian attitudes towards immigration is the insane price of real estate in all the capital cities. Even in the regional areas where the government says it wants to funnel immigrants real estate prices are crazy and jobs, particularly high paying jobs, are scarce. Its a poor bargain to earn an extra ten thousand dollars a year (thanks to the supposed benefits of high immigration) if the house you want to buy costs an extra half a million dollars because of this same immigration.

    A friend from Oz was here recently, he was bemoaning the price of housing* and attributed much of the issue to the presence of Chinese. He has never studied or had an interest in economics or politics and in no possible way could be described as ‘racist’ yet he has grasped the fundamentals in a way that escapes the NYT.

    *So much so that he might consider moving to the UK to get a better deal.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    Your mate might be well-served if you let him know that Yanks are the biggest purchasers of major-city Strayan property: at the peak the Yanks bought about 1.8x as much as Yon Chinkee, and more recently the credit crunch (and capital controls in China) have curtailed Chinese buyers.

    Is he a big watcher of commercial TV? That might explain why he's so ill-informed.

    , @jim jones
    A Chinese family have just bought a house near me, they paid £350,000 for a 2 bed roomed terrace house. I expect they will rent it out to students.
  130. @Desiderius
    They're not white. This isn't complicated.

    Look at the ads in the NYT. Their target audience is filthy rich snobs who want to feel morally superior to other whites. They do this by reading about how racist other whites are in every article. When that racism is verified by actual live people of color writing the articles it's even sweeter.

    The paper is a robber baron tongue bath.

    quite simply, it’d be a lot more difficult for “white” people to hide when asking for open borders every.single.time.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    I know, right? The Minnesota Question should really be front and center in the national debate. Nice as a battle axe to the skull. The only state who stood against St. Reagan? Minnesota.

    Every. Time.
  131. @Redneck farmer
    But is he a poofter?

    How dare you.

    Rule 1 of the Faculty Rules of the University of Wooloomooloo isn’t just some stupid shit that isn’t taken seriously (like the US Constitution).

    In fact, it’s taken so seriously that it’s Rule N N%2=1 – a lot of people (especially drongoes like Poms and Yanks) think the Rules stop at 7 (“No Poofters“) but Rule 6 repeats ad infinitum for all even integers.

  132. @Lurker
    A friend from Oz was here recently, he was bemoaning the price of housing* and attributed much of the issue to the presence of Chinese. He has never studied or had an interest in economics or politics and in no possible way could be described as 'racist' yet he has grasped the fundamentals in a way that escapes the NYT.

    *So much so that he might consider moving to the UK to get a better deal.

    Your mate might be well-served if you let him know that Yanks are the biggest purchasers of major-city Strayan property: at the peak the Yanks bought about 1.8x as much as Yon Chinkee, and more recently the credit crunch (and capital controls in China) have curtailed Chinese buyers.

    Is he a big watcher of commercial TV? That might explain why he’s so ill-informed.

    • Replies: @Harpo of Wolli Creek
    Reality on the ground does not seem to comport with the idea that Americans buy more Australian residential real estate than do Chinese. (I've heard plenty of people say "my new neighbour is Asian", I dont think I've ever heard anyone say "my new neighbour is from the USA.) In my years as a taxi driver in Sydney and countless conversations with passengers I concluded that everything to do with the property development and real estate industry was slightly corrupt. From council approvals, union strangleholds on the labour force to the people who buy the properties, all was murky.
    Without any definitive proof I came to the following belief. Overseas Chinese who want to buy Australian property use local Australian citizens of Chinese background to make the purchase. I think it would work like this. Australian citizen Chinese person buys property in Sydney with finance from HSBC Sydney branch. Meanwhile Chinese mogul in Shanghai has guaranteed mortgage payments on property to HSBC Shanghai. There is a side agreement between the two Chinese parties.
    The Chinese are happy. The Australian government can plausibly claim they've clamped down on overseas buyers. The real estate racket goes on. The unions building the residential towers are happy. Australian real estate remains unaffordable. What's not to like?
    , @Moses
    Americans in Australia bad. Chinese in Australia good.

    I, for one, welcome our new Sino Overlords.
  133. @IHTG
    Here's a question for Australians. Is it possible that immigration restrictionism is an easier sell in Australia compared to the United States, because in Australia there's not merely a shallow "white" identity but a specifically Anglo-Celtic character of the nation which has managed to hold on?

    I’m not a Strayan, but I’ve lived here for most of the last 45 years (having come from Ao Tea Roa when I was 7).

    Urban-Sophisticate Australia is just as fucked as the rest of the sophisticated West: absolutely chockers with virtue-signallers and other fuck-knuckles, and has been for quite some time.

    To give some context: in 1994 the Student Union at my alma mater decided it needed a Women’s Officer (with a handsome salary paid out of student compulsory union fees).

    Quick as a flash, me and some mates decided we would run a male candidate… so we went over the the Engineers café (engineering students were sensibly kept away from other students), and we knew we would get the numbers to win any ballot (because the Engies love a piss-take).

    The comfortable-shoes wymmyn who had the position earmarked for one of their own heard about it, and by the end of that afternoon they had University Council pass a resolution that candidates for the position could not be male.

    Why do I mention this? Because it was 25 years ago, and shit has gotten far far far worse since then.

    Imagine a national discourse that is aimed halfway between a working class stay-at-home mother (who failed Year 10) and a female secondary school teacher.

    In other words, the political zeitgeist in the metro-urban areas makes the audience of Ellen or Oprah look like an MIT graduate seminar.

  134. @Buzz Mohawk
    Kadira Pethiyagoda, the future of Australia.

    http://www.dailynews.lk/sites/default/files/news/2018/01/17/z_piii-LKI.jpg

    We'll just call him Bruce, to avoid confusion.

    Why am I not surprised that he sports the classic Narcissist’s Beard? O for the days when Aussies wore hats with corks dangling from the brim!

  135. Some residents of the area justify their opposition by asking whether Australia has enough water to support a larger population …

    Let me be perfectly clear. As a Citizen Of The World, I have found that people dying of thirst in a desert cling bitterly to their last drop of water. Water is colorless, so it is definitely racist.

    My grandmother was one of those typical White people, who stay on the rainy side of a continent just because the other side of the continent is bone-dry.

    How dare they justify opposing mass immigration, just because everyone will die of massive thirst.

    If you want your drinking glass, you can keep your drinking glass.
    The government will ration the water in a fair, sustainable, and equitable way that respects the rights of LGBTQWERTY – that is, those bitter clingers go to the back of the que.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    How dare they justify opposing mass immigration, just because everyone will die of massive thirst.
     
    http://en.tintin.com/images/journal/journal/00268/C0829A.jpg

    http://en.tintin.com/images/tintin/albums/08crabe/C08%2038%20A2%20COLOR_en.jpg
  136. @Chief Seattle
    NYTimes wont rest until every place is as "globalized" as Bangladesh.

    And they smugly quoted "quality of life", so my counter-quotes are simply fair play.

    NYTimes wont rest until every place is as “globalized” as Bangladesh.

    Hence Steve’s title for the thread, which evokes the “Scramble for Africa” by 19th century European imperial powers.

  137. @Lars Porsena
    Asians are very short, and therefor close to the ground and harder to detect on radar.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96iJsdGkl44

    Lars, you too funny.

  138. @Buzz Mohawk
    If you're wondering why Australians might be just a little bit concerned about immigration, take a look again at one of my favorite cartograms:

    https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/fimG91xZx7VFfLGNIgNd139ipkY=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3343704/HhqlkMK.0.png

    Australia and the Australian People are way down there on the lower right. See that little green spot there? (You might need your reading glasses.) They know there is an endless supply of "neighbors."

    Thanks for that, cool cartogram. My perception is that the normal Australians and NZers have almost no idea about this picture. They actually find it very difficult to conceptualise just how many people are perched just above them. Strategists in Canberra and Wellington know it, and exporters who busy themselves in the great economies of east and south Asia trying to sell milk and metal kind of know it, but voters struggle to get it. It should be stapled to every fridge in every kitchen in both countries and be beaten into the heads of school children. Then they’ll get it.

  139. @YurtAndBernie
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    I think you misspelled "Israel."

    Yurt, very funny, but correct.

  140. That nativists, racists, Islamabamajamaphobes – whatever – are trying to “cling on to a past that never was” is a tired old lie. We’re trying to keep elite visionaries from turning our countries into hellholes they envision.

  141. To all the iStevers who responded to my remark about Japan flying under the radar when it comes to immigration, thank you. I really meant it as sarcasm. Must be nice to have secure borders and an intellegent plan for immigartion.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    They'll get their turn once the West is suitably crushed.
  142. @newrouter
    >globalized nation.<

    oxymoron alert

    No, post-America is intended to serve as the petri dish for what they’d like the world to look like some day.

  143. @Buffalo Joe
    To all the iStevers who responded to my remark about Japan flying under the radar when it comes to immigration, thank you. I really meant it as sarcasm. Must be nice to have secure borders and an intellegent plan for immigartion.

    They’ll get their turn once the West is suitably crushed.

  144. @DCThrowback
    quite simply, it'd be a lot more difficult for "white" people to hide when asking for open borders every.single.time.

    I know, right? The Minnesota Question should really be front and center in the national debate. Nice as a battle axe to the skull. The only state who stood against St. Reagan? Minnesota.

    Every. Time.

  145. @Anonymouse55uu
    Writing from Australia during an election campaign. Something rarely observed from outside is that our main center left party, Labor, is formally integrated with the Labor unions. In practice a handful of union officials can choose all of Labor's candidates for parliament and unsurprisingly usually choose their own - candidate for prime minister bill shorten is a former Secretary of one of the largest unions. The center left then runs on union dues and public funding and has never needed much big business backing. It's also the anti-british side of politics, perhaps given Irish Catholic rather than protestant roots (the center right is traditionally protestant). A consequence of these forces is that the Australian center left is vaguely nationalist and mildly immigration skeptical. Just in the last week Labor leader shorten and employment spokesman Brendan o'Connor (note the name - also a former union official and brother of the boss of the militant construction union) have announced a policy of increasing the minimum wage at which employers can sponsor skilled worker visas and a review to ensure skilled visas are only granted where there are genuine shortages. In practice this could lead to big overall cuts to immigration numbers by the center left given that 60% of all entrants are on skilled visas and up to 80% of those may not really be needed to meet shortages.

    None of this is in the NYT article of course.

    I love Boomerlibs (and/or Millennial NEETs) who latch onto whatever comforting lie leftist politicians say (Bernie Sanders says he’s against open borders! Ed Miliband wants controls on immigration!) in an attempt to justify voting for Muh Free Stuff as a free lunch.

    Yeah, the party which ended the White Australia Policy and flung open the doors, an act it considers its finest hour, is totes magotes just itching to bring it back. They are such selfless public servants, so interested in the public good, that they have not even the slightest desire to import more and more foreign ringers to vote for them.

    I’ve consumed enough Aussie leftist media to observe that Topic No. 1 is the unending benefits of More Immigration, particularly Muslim, and Topic No. 2 is the horrific, genocidal terror regime in the Nauru and New Guinea “concentration camps.”

    Here’s a pro-tip: When leftist politicians promise one thing, and leftist media say to do the opposite, then the thing leftist media say to do is what the leftist politicians will in fact do, once in office. For example, if Barack Obama says he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, and the New York Times says that gay marriage should be legalized, then Obama is going to legalize gay marriage.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I don't trust the ALP either but go back over the last 40 years and loom at net migration rate and changes in power. I can't detect the slightest difference in immigration policy between the two major parties sadly. Both are treason incarnate.
  146. @Lot
    He’s working on exposing the hoax known as the Tianamen Square Massacre.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-china-hoax/#comment-3162086

    I wonder who he’ll uncover as responsible for this (((dastardly libel))) of the Communist Party of China?

    Maybe he could do Katyn next.

    OTOH that would require Hitler to have lied, and therefore done something wrong.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Maybe he could do Katyn next.

    How about excavating Babi Yar instead?

  147. @Anon
    OT

    Maybe the SPLC isn't completely crazy. There does seem to be a KKK, or at least a KKK guy:

    Surveillance video: Here’s what a KKK recruiter in downtown Lafayette looks like

    https://eu.jconline.com/story/news/2019/04/18/surveillance-video-heres-what-kkk-recruiter-downtown-lafayette-looks-like/3505449002/

    What is the KKK into these days?:

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/04/16/PLAI/2f2b68af-1c23-4928-a49d-ac4eb7271c1e-IMG_8887.jpg

    Basically, they oppose open borders and unfettered immigration. And they blame it on Jews. They seem to have forgotten their mission to lynch blacks. The potato may be a racist anti-Irish dog whistle ... oh, wait, that's just a rock.

    The website quoted from on the flyer is that of the Federation for American Immingration Reform, a D.C.-based nonprofit lobbying group from which spun off the Center for Immigration Studies. The SPLC calls them "a hate group with close ties to white supremacist groups." Here is their staff, including a handful of blacks and Indians.

    There does seem to be a KKK, or at least a KKK guy

    Too valuable a resource to be allowed to go extinct; politics on the “wrong side of history” can easily be re-purposed; Trump is, apparently, a member in long standing.

    There’s a lesson here: we were told that if we extinguished the Klan and all it stood for, things would be so much better. We’ve accomplished that goal to the extent that national policy is pretty much the opposite of what the Klan stood for; but the racial climate is not any better overall.

  148. @PiltdownMan
    From 1962.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zb8yLammA0

    The whole thing is worth watching, common people with common sense views. The old Australia before the big change began.

    But they saved the best for last, the bloke starting at about 5:30 is a riot.

  149. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax
    Maybe he could do Katyn next.

    OTOH that would require Hitler to have lied, and therefore done something wrong.

    Maybe he could do Katyn next.

    How about excavating Babi Yar instead?

  150. @Lurker
    A friend from Oz was here recently, he was bemoaning the price of housing* and attributed much of the issue to the presence of Chinese. He has never studied or had an interest in economics or politics and in no possible way could be described as 'racist' yet he has grasped the fundamentals in a way that escapes the NYT.

    *So much so that he might consider moving to the UK to get a better deal.

    A Chinese family have just bought a house near me, they paid £350,000 for a 2 bed roomed terrace house. I expect they will rent it out to students.

  151. @Redneck farmer
    But is he a poofter?

    Oh, that reminds me of some unfinished business I have on this website. I got this video from Tiny Duck, and need to take a poll here.

    Click AGREE if you think Adam is a bit light in the loafers. Click LOL if you think he just has the most punchable face… ever. Freeze at about 0:03 or 0:04 when he’s smiling: that’s where you should judge. Does he make the mark?

    I’ll go with LOL myself, because the homosexual dude I just talked to about turning around my life today-an unapologetic right-winger-would be supremely annoyed to have anything in common with him.

    Thank you all, you’ve been a wonderful audience!

    • LOL: Vinteuil
    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    In that video, it's Ron who seems "a bit light in the loafers."
  152. Anonymous[301] • Disclaimer says:

    The government’s plan, which had been in the works for months, is a potential turning point for a nation that has been shaped by newcomers since its days as a British penal colony and that has presented itself in recent years as a model of how immigration, properly managed, can strengthen a country.

    Those newcomers… weren’t they white supremacist immigrants who wiped out the native population?
    If newcomers can harm the existing population as whites did to Aborigines, why shouldn’t whites worry about what harm non-white immigration from Asia and Africa may do to them? A bit of immigration adds minorities to the mix. Unending immigration invariably leads to native population being replaced or at least outnumbered by newcomers. If the faucet keeps dripping, the bucket will eventually fill. Problem is worse than drip drip however. The faucet is turned on full blast in much of the world.

    Do these writers who associate immigration with good things and anti-immigration with ‘supremacism’ ever interview the brown natives of South America about their opinions on the matter? Also, if the white nations tell non-whites around the world, “leave your nation and come to our nation because it’s better”, isn’t that a supremacist attitude as well? If all nations are equally worthy, why should a people abandon their own nation for another?
    And speaking of ‘social justice’, how it is good for non-white nations to lose their most resourceful members and manpower to the West? It’d be like the superbowl team sucking up all the best players from other teams.
    If Western elites really love immigration and helping non-white nations, they should emigrate to the poorest nations and use their brains to build them up. That would be elite socialism. Share the top elites in the West with the world. Have Zuckerberg go to Rwanda and build business there.

    • Replies: @Moses

    A bit of immigration adds minorities to the mix.
     
    Stop using the word "minorities" in White countries. Just stop.

    Words matter.

    Use "non-White world majority" or just "non-Whites" instead.

    There are more Chinese alone than White people in the world. There are more Black people alone than White people in the world.

    For God's sake Chinese and Blacks are not "minorities" as there are more of each of them than of Whites.

    Whites are a small minority at about 8% of world population. Blacks, about 16% and Chinese at 19% (yes, nearly 1 of 5 people in the world are Chinese).

    Stop calling Blacks, Chinese and Asians "minorities."
  153. Anonymous[301] • Disclaimer says:

    The Christ-church shooter did a horrible thing, but he was not motivated by ‘white supremacism’.
    He did what American Indians once did to white conqueror-settlers. He used violence to preserve white-made nations for whites.

    When will NYT write a piece about what the wonders of open borders did for Syria?

  154. @Reg Cæsar

    said Tim Soutphommasane, a former race commissioner
     
    Well, "Tim" sounds okay. And he can't be as bad as Tim Wise, or Tim Gill. The surname-- is that Laotian, or Thai? Asian names are either too long, or too short.

    Mr. Morrison presented the move as a reaction to crowding in the nation’s largest cities

     

    Australia, like Canada, is just a string of cities on a train line. That don't use them anymore than we do.

    more than two-thirds said their country no longer needed more people.
     
    Inhabitable Australia is about the size of all of Texas. Remember when they assured us that the whole world could fit into the Lone Star State at suburban density?

    You could fit the world's population, sardine-like, into one cubic mile. There would be more than enough room in the X-Seed 4000 or Sky City 1000, should either ever be built.

    Tim Soutphommasane … is that Laotian, or Thai?

    French !

  155. @Achmed E. Newman
    It's those (((tank commander))) people. I know 2nd-hand of people involved, but they were not anywhere near Peking. The one guy was a great EE student, but got kicked out of school and became a TV repairman - no, not Sean Chen's Dad. He never could get back into college.

    I don't know if you've read anything by him, Lot, but here on unz (hey, controversial viewpoints, as the man says), there is a guy named Godfree Roberts, who is an admitted sackhanger on the butcher Chairman Mao Zedong. He has his own sackhangers or Comm-ent-Tards, as I'm designating them now, that write in on all the articles on China, including Fred Reed's tourist takes on the place, from his 2-week adventure there.

    Peak Stupidity is pretty even-handed about the place and its people even throwing out an apology for the occasional over-the-top offensiveness (though we've kept our standing with the US Gov't as an Equal Opportunity Offender.)

    Check out China Uncensored

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks. I will have to watch later on, based on time. Check out Peak Stupidity sometime, Sir!
    , @Reg Cæsar
    The original Yellow Vests!
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I just watched this China Unensored episode. Thanks. I can remember reading about the Falun Gong right during the time of their persecution in Spring/Summer of '99 during my 1-year or so time of habitually reading through the whole Wall Street Journal. I eventually had had enough of that rag, soon after.
  156. Guy Pearce is an antipodean wacko weirdo actor, but that doom and gloom bastard is like an animal instinctively alert to dangerous weather in his sensing the upcoming global financial implosion and how it will pound Australia into the dust.

    He made a movie about how remote and rural Australia would fare when the global financial system implodes.

    Guy Pearce is a multi-millionaire weirdo actor, but he is in perfect tune with the subtext of the global political and financial system.

    The Pewitt for president campaign pledges to help the Anglo-Celtic Australian people in their upcoming efforts to remove the millions of foreigners who have invaded their nation in recent decades. They are going back, then we drink beer!

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ...to remove the millions of foreigners who have invaded their nation in recent decades. They are going back, then we drink beer!
     
    It was the "invader" class which allowed Rhode Island to be the only state not to use the Constitution to ban that beer:



    https://www.usconstitution.net/constamrat.html#Am18

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Proposal_and_ratification
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    Guy Pearce is weird, but not that weird by Hollyweird standards.

    The film you refer to, The Rover (2014), was pretty great, maybe a sort of pre-Mad Max, or maybe set in the same timeline in a different part of Oz. Not much PC/Feminazi/Globohomo crap at all.

    Teaser - "What feeling do you have when you wake up in the morning, when your feet touch the floor?"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7C95zhu7yA

    Trailer - "It's over for you..."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChM2icbWo9w

    Also, that vampire dude from Twilight turns out to be a pretty good actor, but not quite as good as 50 Shades of Grey guy in Anthropoid.

  157. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    There are no Japanese “Jews” that can blend in with the host population and pretend to be loyal to the Japanese while serving another tribe.

    • Replies: @Anon

    There are no Japanese “Jews” that can blend in with the host population and pretend to be loyal to the Japanese while serving another tribe.
     
    Bwahaha. Not enough Jewpanese to sell their country out from within.
    , @J.Ross
    John Dower's Embracing Defeat describes a Jewish woman who was let into the American committee composing and imposing the postwar constitution, and credits her for the new emphasis on sexual equality. Her parents had been music instructors who had been interned for being Jewish, which is tragicomic because the number of Jews in Tojo-ruled Japan was far smaller than the number of Jews given passes by the actual Nazis.
    -----------
    Also, they have their own traitors. This one should have spent less time reading Marx and more time studying the blade.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Assassination_of_Inejiro_Asanuma_01.jpg/220px-Assassination_of_Inejiro_Asanuma_01.jpg
  158. @Mr. Anon

    Such concerns are widespread as views in the country have turned sharply against population growth over the past year. There is worry, though, that these “quality-of-life” complaints have been amplified by — or perhaps have masked — a deeper ambivalence about a new wave of non-European immigration, especially from Muslim countries, along with Africa and Asia. …
     
    Maybe a lot of Australians are pissed off that their country doesn't look like this anymore:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsIbfYEizLk

    Hey, how amazing, Mr. Anon! This was the 2nd-choice song, for me behind It’s a Long Way to the Top that I was going to embed to show that wonderful Australia of years ago. I had put this song in a post on Peak Stupidity 1 1/2 years ago.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    They had better songs (not that there was anything wrong with that one) but that clip showed what their audience looked like too.
  159. @Endgame Napoleon
    Maybe, the Australians have the highest IQs, regardless of that pro-mass-immigration housing-bubble section. It is about quality of life. A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life. Too many immigrants lowers quality of life, especially for the native citizens, but also for the immigrants as proven in multiple mass murders by terrorists who emigrated to the West and became disgruntled with Western society. Western nations need to assimilate the immigrants they already have before adding more.

    A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life.

    Evidence?

    This “some is good” nonsense, is just that–nonsense.

    There may be particular individuals who turn out to be benificial. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say it was good for the US to take in Enrico Fermi, given where the US already was at the time. (And personally, my wife has been kinda nice for me. But she isn’t providing those services to other Americans. At least i hope not!)

    Submitting to “immigration” is deeply un-natural. What happened in the early part of Austrailian or American or Canadian history was not “immigration” but conquest. One ethnic group taking territory from another. For that they–to a certain point–found more bodies helpful. (I’m fortunate founding-stock Americans allowing some of my immigrant Irish and German ancestors in to help settle the prairies, as i have a preference for existence over non-existence. But whether letting them in was smart or not …)

    Past that point of “conquest”, “immigration” isn’t helpful, it’s taking something that belongs to you and your posterity and giving it to someone else. It’s flat out ridiculous. And allowing distinctly foreign, tribal, non-integrating people in is flat out ridiculous.

    As an immigration compromise, i’d be willing to admit people who pass the Enrico Fermi test and are capable of integrating directly–no whining–to standard middle class white American gentile flyover country norms, ok. Heck, i’m willing to lower the bar from Fermi quite a bit. Say we’ll take the top say 10,000 each year. Assuming America continues to be a desirable destination.

    But “some immigration”–no thanks. Improves “quality of life” … you’ve got to be kidding.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    This “some is good” nonsense, is just that–nonsense.
     
    Agreed.

    There may be particular individuals who turn out to be benificial. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say it was good for the US to take in Enrico Fermi, given where the US already was at the time. (And personally, my wife has been kinda nice for me. But she isn’t providing those services to other Americans. At least i hope not!)
     
    As hard as it is to say, your wife took a good man from an American woman. Bumped her down the rung.

    Well-written post overall.

    , @Desiderius
    Traditionally we've taken immigrants in waves then paused to allow them time and space to assimilate. We're way overdue for that pause now. Plus this time our elites need some time and space to assimlate themselves.
  160. @John Derbyshire
    Check out China Uncensored https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBzVKtTOq3s

    Thanks. I will have to watch later on, based on time. Check out Peak Stupidity sometime, Sir!

  161. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life.
     
    Evidence?

    This "some is good" nonsense, is just that--nonsense.

    There may be particular individuals who turn out to be benificial. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it was good for the US to take in Enrico Fermi, given where the US already was at the time. (And personally, my wife has been kinda nice for me. But she isn't providing those services to other Americans. At least i hope not!)

    Submitting to "immigration" is deeply un-natural. What happened in the early part of Austrailian or American or Canadian history was not "immigration" but conquest. One ethnic group taking territory from another. For that they--to a certain point--found more bodies helpful. (I'm fortunate founding-stock Americans allowing some of my immigrant Irish and German ancestors in to help settle the prairies, as i have a preference for existence over non-existence. But whether letting them in was smart or not ...)

    Past that point of "conquest", "immigration" isn't helpful, it's taking something that belongs to you and your posterity and giving it to someone else. It's flat out ridiculous. And allowing distinctly foreign, tribal, non-integrating people in is flat out ridiculous.

    As an immigration compromise, i'd be willing to admit people who pass the Enrico Fermi test and are capable of integrating directly--no whining--to standard middle class white American gentile flyover country norms, ok. Heck, i'm willing to lower the bar from Fermi quite a bit. Say we'll take the top say 10,000 each year. Assuming America continues to be a desirable destination.

    But "some immigration"--no thanks. Improves "quality of life" ... you've got to be kidding.

    This “some is good” nonsense, is just that–nonsense.

    Agreed.

    There may be particular individuals who turn out to be benificial. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say it was good for the US to take in Enrico Fermi, given where the US already was at the time. (And personally, my wife has been kinda nice for me. But she isn’t providing those services to other Americans. At least i hope not!)

    As hard as it is to say, your wife took a good man from an American woman. Bumped her down the rung.

    Well-written post overall.

  162. I don’t see how Muslim and Chinese immigrants makes Australia more secure. Quite the opposite, in fact. I served in four Islamic visions of what can only be described as Hell on Earth, I kid you not. As 9/11 demonstrated Muslims make a society less stable and less secure. The West is collectively *insane* to allow these people in, and in large numbers.

    • Replies: @Anon
    No offence, but by invading Muslim countries, you were part of the problem, not the solution.
  163. Anonymous[463] • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax
    I love Boomerlibs (and/or Millennial NEETs) who latch onto whatever comforting lie leftist politicians say (Bernie Sanders says he's against open borders! Ed Miliband wants controls on immigration!) in an attempt to justify voting for Muh Free Stuff as a free lunch.

    Yeah, the party which ended the White Australia Policy and flung open the doors, an act it considers its finest hour, is totes magotes just itching to bring it back. They are such selfless public servants, so interested in the public good, that they have not even the slightest desire to import more and more foreign ringers to vote for them.

    I've consumed enough Aussie leftist media to observe that Topic No. 1 is the unending benefits of More Immigration, particularly Muslim, and Topic No. 2 is the horrific, genocidal terror regime in the Nauru and New Guinea "concentration camps."

    Here's a pro-tip: When leftist politicians promise one thing, and leftist media say to do the opposite, then the thing leftist media say to do is what the leftist politicians will in fact do, once in office. For example, if Barack Obama says he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, and the New York Times says that gay marriage should be legalized, then Obama is going to legalize gay marriage.

    I don’t trust the ALP either but go back over the last 40 years and loom at net migration rate and changes in power. I can’t detect the slightest difference in immigration policy between the two major parties sadly. Both are treason incarnate.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The right has been paralyzed by old cold warriors who remember how effectively the KGB used civil rights propaganda to paint the West as the bad guys. That generation is aging out and the rising generation has an entirely different set of exeriences to say the least.
  164. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    It doesn’t the NYT attacks them constantly on their low level of immigration . They’ve been predicting their doom as a result for 25 years now.

  165. @nebulafox
    Oh, that reminds me of some unfinished business I have on this website. I got this video from Tiny Duck, and need to take a poll here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETR9qrVS17g

    Click AGREE if you think Adam is a bit light in the loafers. Click LOL if you think he just has the most punchable face... ever. Freeze at about 0:03 or 0:04 when he's smiling: that's where you should judge. Does he make the mark?

    I'll go with LOL myself, because the homosexual dude I just talked to about turning around my life today-an unapologetic right-winger-would be supremely annoyed to have anything in common with him.

    Thank you all, you've been a wonderful audience!

    In that video, it’s Ron who seems “a bit light in the loafers.”

  166. Ed says:
    @IHTG
    Here's a question for Australians. Is it possible that immigration restrictionism is an easier sell in Australia compared to the United States, because in Australia there's not merely a shallow "white" identity but a specifically Anglo-Celtic character of the nation which has managed to hold on?

    I’m not Australian but I’ve been following their turn away from immigration. I think their media not being universally pro-immigration is key. The Murdoch media empire controls large swaths of the media their and it leans to the right. I’ve seen reports on YouTube where the media there explicitly links Sudanese youth to crime, something you wouldn’t even find a Fox News.

  167. @YurtAndBernie
    The government’s plan, which had been in the works for months, is a potential turning point for a nation that has been shaped by newcomers since its days as a British penal colony and that has presented itself in recent years as a model of how immigration, properly managed, can strengthen a country.

    So if you pay $1,199 less than what you owe in taxes they won't prosecute you, right?

    Funny. I suspect the government is going to be incredibly vigilant in prosecuting subjects - woops, I mean citizens, I really do - who underpay their taxes by $1,200.

    It's funny how the Left increasingly follows the old Southern strategy of jury nullification and states rights when it comes to enacting their preferred policies.

    Balkanization will solve a lot of problems, it can’t come soon enough.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Balkans have their own problems.
  168. @Harpo of Wolli Creek
    One thing that may be hardening Australian attitudes towards immigration is the insane price of real estate in all the capital cities. Even in the regional areas where the government says it wants to funnel immigrants real estate prices are crazy and jobs, particularly high paying jobs, are scarce. Its a poor bargain to earn an extra ten thousand dollars a year (thanks to the supposed benefits of high immigration) if the house you want to buy costs an extra half a million dollars because of this same immigration.

    If true, there’s a lesson for America here. You can build up support for immigration restriction in the future by shifting the composition of current immigration towards those most likely to compete with elites for living space.

  169. SMK says: • Website
    @Federalist

    “The Arab people, they don’t want to do anything,” he said. “They just want to go on the dole. That’s just the way I see it.”

    It is the kind of attitude that . . . still shapes the discussion around population growth
     
    The NYT doesn't attempt to refute this man's statement. In fact, they don't even say his statement is inaccurate. His statement is heretical. It's factual content is irrelevant.

    To leftists, “Islamophobia” is a mental disorder, a form of insanity, like paranoia and schizophrenia, clinically defined, pathological estrangement from objective reality, irrational bigotry and hatred that renders one unable to see that an invasion of Muslims is benign and salutary rather than pernicious and, ultimately if not reversed, suicidal for the nation and culture and it’s white population.

    Precisely the opposite is true. “Islamophobia,” as defined by the left, is synonymous with honesty and realism. To leftists, anyone who criticizes and tells the truth about Islam and Muslims, particularly young males, and opposes an invasion of Muslims, is demonized as a “racist” and “bigot” and “hater” and “Islamophobe.” In reality, left-liberals and others who support and cheer an invasion of Muslims are insane, psychotic, totally delusional, completely estranged from objective reality, impervious to facts.

  170. You can see the problem with Australia right away: not enough Jews.

    They need more of God’s Chosen to lead them to the promised land, like Sweden and US.

  171. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    Not just Japan but East Asia in general. Chinese/Japanese/Koreans are the most practical minded people, they have no time or patience for stupidity, known in the west as (((ideology))).

  172. @lavoisier

    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.
     
    There are no Japanese "Jews" that can blend in with the host population and pretend to be loyal to the Japanese while serving another tribe.

    There are no Japanese “Jews” that can blend in with the host population and pretend to be loyal to the Japanese while serving another tribe.

    Bwahaha. Not enough Jewpanese to sell their country out from within.

  173. @Anonymous
    Why do you think we fought in every war the US fought for the last century or so? That there should be no quid pro quo? That is the reality of the situation. We also have a shared UK heritage, we are literal brother countries.

    The key point is that all island countries have a naval focus. Even the USA may be considered a large island north of the Panama Canal, which is why they are all about their navy.

    Eurasian nations must prioritise armies.

    It’s fascinating the watch the new theories neocons are coming up with to promote the same old globalist policies in the age of the alt-right. This one wants to tell us that Australia needs Muslim and Chinese immigration to stop a Muslim or Chinese invasion.

    I call this style of argumentation neoconservatism2.0. They will claim that some policy that neocons have always wanted is somehow helpful to those who have nationalistic goals, even when it’s blatantly nonsensical. It’s a sign of desperation and it’s not working on anyone under 60.

    • Replies: @Axto
    The phrase “populate or perish” in Australia dates back to before the neocons were a twinkle in their Trotskyist parents’ eyes.
    , @Anonymous
    I remember reading contorted post-facto justifications for the invasion of Iraq after it became apparent that the WMD issue was bogus.
  174. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    Because the Japs aren’t stupified by white guilt — no slavery, colonialism and holocaust guilt shoved down their throats on a daily basis by a group of Joopanese who own their msm.

  175. @lavoisier

    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.
     
    There are no Japanese "Jews" that can blend in with the host population and pretend to be loyal to the Japanese while serving another tribe.

    John Dower’s Embracing Defeat describes a Jewish woman who was let into the American committee composing and imposing the postwar constitution, and credits her for the new emphasis on sexual equality. Her parents had been music instructors who had been interned for being Jewish, which is tragicomic because the number of Jews in Tojo-ruled Japan was far smaller than the number of Jews given passes by the actual Nazis.
    ———–
    Also, they have their own traitors. This one should have spent less time reading Marx and more time studying the blade.

  176. @Charles Pewitt
    Guy Pearce is an antipodean wacko weirdo actor, but that doom and gloom bastard is like an animal instinctively alert to dangerous weather in his sensing the upcoming global financial implosion and how it will pound Australia into the dust.

    He made a movie about how remote and rural Australia would fare when the global financial system implodes.

    Guy Pearce is a multi-millionaire weirdo actor, but he is in perfect tune with the subtext of the global political and financial system.

    The Pewitt for president campaign pledges to help the Anglo-Celtic Australian people in their upcoming efforts to remove the millions of foreigners who have invaded their nation in recent decades. They are going back, then we drink beer!

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/643481480296013824

    …to remove the millions of foreigners who have invaded their nation in recent decades. They are going back, then we drink beer!

    It was the “invader” class which allowed Rhode Island to be the only state not to use the Constitution to ban that beer:

    https://www.usconstitution.net/constamrat.html#Am18

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Proposal_and_ratification

  177. @Alan D
    As an Australian, I think that your idea is correct. The old Anglo-Celtic identity is holding on but, because of political correctness, any public figure who praises it will be called a racist. The correct procedure is to deny its existence or say how awful it is.

    God forbid you grow some balls and not care what idiots call you.

  178. @J.Ross
    Balkanization will solve a lot of problems, it can't come soon enough.

    Balkans have their own problems.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Yeah it seems to me that massive war crime interference by the most powerful militaries on Earth might have tipped those scales just the slightest bit. Also, their problem wasn't Balkanization itself but de-Balkanization by homogenizing Muslims.
    If the Portlander stays in Portland, all is well.
  179. @Anonymous
    I don't trust the ALP either but go back over the last 40 years and loom at net migration rate and changes in power. I can't detect the slightest difference in immigration policy between the two major parties sadly. Both are treason incarnate.

    The right has been paralyzed by old cold warriors who remember how effectively the KGB used civil rights propaganda to paint the West as the bad guys. That generation is aging out and the rising generation has an entirely different set of exeriences to say the least.

  180. @Peterike
    “A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life.”

    No, it doesn’t. That has never been true anywhere at any time in modern history. ALL immigration outside of the core native stock has been a mistake. Some mistakes worse than others, surely, but all mistakes.

    No, a certain amount of immigration can be a good thing.

    Consider the old days, when we had very few immigrants.

    During that time the Einstein family immigrated to the US. (My grandfather helped one of the Einsteins get into the US). Many of the best scientists in the world at the time were European, esp. German, Jews. Germany had dominated the sciences, esp. physics. I think about half the Nobel Laureates from Germany immigrated to the US during that time of very low immigration.

    Those scientists helped us win the War, at least partly because they were not helping the Nazis win the War.

    Right at the end of WW II, the Russians and Americans went around Germany looking for the top German scientists. Quite a few went to extraordinary lengths to surrender to American soldiers, many of whom had lists in their pockets of people to take to HQ.

    Those scientists got us to the moon.

    Years later there was the notorious “brain drain”, in which a number of the top European scientists took academic positions in the more prosperous United States.

    I remember in 1986 I attended the Nichols Award ceremony for a scientist named Michael Dewar, who was one of the earliest big name scientists to come to the US during the “brain drain” era. Very interesting event — he had his son, the famous computer scientist Robert Dewar, throw out a nasty question during the Q&A session, which Michael Dewar was very well prepared for. I just happened to be sitting next to some friends of the Dewar family. Other people I talked to were very impressed by the elder Dewar’s answer to a tough question.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._S._Dewar

    The “brain drain” scientists helped establish the post-War domination of science and technology by the United States.

    So saying there is no time in history that immigration has been good for the native stock people is incorrect.

    Immigration is more like having a glass of wine occasionally with dinner. The occasional glass of fine wine can be beneficial. Drinking a gallon of illegal rotgut moonshine every day is not.

    • Agree: lavoisier
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The problem with having an immigration loophole for 'geniuses' is that the definition of 'genius' gets progressively stretched to the point of encompassing everyone who is not actually illiterate. This is what happened to the H1-B program, which began as a way of importing people with exceptional talents that couldn't be found in the US, but which has eventually become a means to mass-import people for data-entry drudgework that used to be done perfectly well (albeit more expensively) by native citizens.
    , @Anon
    Those are exceptions. By the Ellis Island era, immigration had become a net negative for this country.

    Other than the founding Anglo stock and some Northern Euro groups (especially Germans, Dutch, and Scandanavians), most immigrant groups have taken more than they've given.
  181. @AnotherDad

    A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life.
     
    Evidence?

    This "some is good" nonsense, is just that--nonsense.

    There may be particular individuals who turn out to be benificial. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it was good for the US to take in Enrico Fermi, given where the US already was at the time. (And personally, my wife has been kinda nice for me. But she isn't providing those services to other Americans. At least i hope not!)

    Submitting to "immigration" is deeply un-natural. What happened in the early part of Austrailian or American or Canadian history was not "immigration" but conquest. One ethnic group taking territory from another. For that they--to a certain point--found more bodies helpful. (I'm fortunate founding-stock Americans allowing some of my immigrant Irish and German ancestors in to help settle the prairies, as i have a preference for existence over non-existence. But whether letting them in was smart or not ...)

    Past that point of "conquest", "immigration" isn't helpful, it's taking something that belongs to you and your posterity and giving it to someone else. It's flat out ridiculous. And allowing distinctly foreign, tribal, non-integrating people in is flat out ridiculous.

    As an immigration compromise, i'd be willing to admit people who pass the Enrico Fermi test and are capable of integrating directly--no whining--to standard middle class white American gentile flyover country norms, ok. Heck, i'm willing to lower the bar from Fermi quite a bit. Say we'll take the top say 10,000 each year. Assuming America continues to be a desirable destination.

    But "some immigration"--no thanks. Improves "quality of life" ... you've got to be kidding.

    Traditionally we’ve taken immigrants in waves then paused to allow them time and space to assimilate. We’re way overdue for that pause now. Plus this time our elites need some time and space to assimlate themselves.

  182. Some residents of the area justify their opposition by asking whether Australia has enough water to support a larger population, an element of the country’s immigration debate since the 1980s, before desalination plants became more common.

    As Steve pointed out, not only is desalination fossil fuel power intensive, the modern method uses reverse osmosis which was invented by a White Catholic priest turn physicist, Jean-Antoine Nollet. I guess pointing out White men inventions, propel population growth of those who don’t invent, would be a hate fact.

  183. @Desiderius
    Balkans have their own problems.

    Yeah it seems to me that massive war crime interference by the most powerful militaries on Earth might have tipped those scales just the slightest bit. Also, their problem wasn’t Balkanization itself but de-Balkanization by homogenizing Muslims.
    If the Portlander stays in Portland, all is well.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Now do the previous 4,000 years.
  184. @Anonymouse55uu
    Writing from Australia during an election campaign. Something rarely observed from outside is that our main center left party, Labor, is formally integrated with the Labor unions. In practice a handful of union officials can choose all of Labor's candidates for parliament and unsurprisingly usually choose their own - candidate for prime minister bill shorten is a former Secretary of one of the largest unions. The center left then runs on union dues and public funding and has never needed much big business backing. It's also the anti-british side of politics, perhaps given Irish Catholic rather than protestant roots (the center right is traditionally protestant). A consequence of these forces is that the Australian center left is vaguely nationalist and mildly immigration skeptical. Just in the last week Labor leader shorten and employment spokesman Brendan o'Connor (note the name - also a former union official and brother of the boss of the militant construction union) have announced a policy of increasing the minimum wage at which employers can sponsor skilled worker visas and a review to ensure skilled visas are only granted where there are genuine shortages. In practice this could lead to big overall cuts to immigration numbers by the center left given that 60% of all entrants are on skilled visas and up to 80% of those may not really be needed to meet shortages.

    None of this is in the NYT article of course.

    ymouse55uu

    Shorten has already stated he will increase immigration. Even if Labor does lower the work visa rort, Australia will still be taking in hordes of 3rd worlders.

  185. @Futurethirdworlder
    Because Japan is sorely lacking in (((fellow Japanese)))

    Yes, but in Japan we have some (((journalists))) beating the drums for diversity.

    https://twitter.com/jakeadelstein/status/1041675568519892992?lang=en

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >if it's going to survive
    The funniest thing about censorship efforts is that the whole nation wrecker case is right here in this tweet, and no Nazi-finder would ever propose censoring Adelstein.
    , @AnotherDad
    Sheer evil.

    It's telling. Endless--absolutely endless--whining about "hate" "racism", "anti-semitism" from people who can't leave any people alone to just be who they are.

    Sheer evil.
  186. @Chief Seattle
    NYTimes wont rest until every place is as "globalized" as Bangladesh.

    And they smugly quoted "quality of life", so my counter-quotes are simply fair play.

    Bangladesh is not globalized at all. It is a 98% homogeneous society with very conservative values.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Cf "Black Panther is hella diverse."
  187. @Charles Pewitt
    Guy Pearce is an antipodean wacko weirdo actor, but that doom and gloom bastard is like an animal instinctively alert to dangerous weather in his sensing the upcoming global financial implosion and how it will pound Australia into the dust.

    He made a movie about how remote and rural Australia would fare when the global financial system implodes.

    Guy Pearce is a multi-millionaire weirdo actor, but he is in perfect tune with the subtext of the global political and financial system.

    The Pewitt for president campaign pledges to help the Anglo-Celtic Australian people in their upcoming efforts to remove the millions of foreigners who have invaded their nation in recent decades. They are going back, then we drink beer!

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/643481480296013824

    Guy Pearce is weird, but not that weird by Hollyweird standards.

    The film you refer to, The Rover (2014), was pretty great, maybe a sort of pre-Mad Max, or maybe set in the same timeline in a different part of Oz. Not much PC/Feminazi/Globohomo crap at all.

    Teaser – “What feeling do you have when you wake up in the morning, when your feet touch the floor?”

    Trailer – “It’s over for you…”

    Also, that vampire dude from Twilight turns out to be a pretty good actor, but not quite as good as 50 Shades of Grey guy in Anthropoid.

  188. @Kratoklastes
    Your mate might be well-served if you let him know that Yanks are the biggest purchasers of major-city Strayan property: at the peak the Yanks bought about 1.8x as much as Yon Chinkee, and more recently the credit crunch (and capital controls in China) have curtailed Chinese buyers.

    Is he a big watcher of commercial TV? That might explain why he's so ill-informed.

    Reality on the ground does not seem to comport with the idea that Americans buy more Australian residential real estate than do Chinese. (I’ve heard plenty of people say “my new neighbour is Asian”, I dont think I’ve ever heard anyone say “my new neighbour is from the USA.) In my years as a taxi driver in Sydney and countless conversations with passengers I concluded that everything to do with the property development and real estate industry was slightly corrupt. From council approvals, union strangleholds on the labour force to the people who buy the properties, all was murky.
    Without any definitive proof I came to the following belief. Overseas Chinese who want to buy Australian property use local Australian citizens of Chinese background to make the purchase. I think it would work like this. Australian citizen Chinese person buys property in Sydney with finance from HSBC Sydney branch. Meanwhile Chinese mogul in Shanghai has guaranteed mortgage payments on property to HSBC Shanghai. There is a side agreement between the two Chinese parties.
    The Chinese are happy. The Australian government can plausibly claim they’ve clamped down on overseas buyers. The real estate racket goes on. The unions building the residential towers are happy. Australian real estate remains unaffordable. What’s not to like?

  189. Here’s a parody of semi-famous Aussie twisto-bikie Chopper Reid with some sound advice for Oz and the Western world in general:

    NSFW Language!

  190. @Axto
    The article misses the main reason that Australian governments have encouraged immigration.

    The Australian public lacks geopolitical awareness and tells itself fairy tales about snakes and spiders deterring foreign armies. The last time that Australians had to confront the strategic vulnerability of their country was during World War II.

    Australian governments on the other hand are acutely aware of the risk posed by trying to hold a thinly populated landmass close to massive populations in Asia. A small, well controlled Muslim population makes an excellent human shield against Indonesia. Chinese money and immigration serves a similar purpose.

    This awareness of Australia's strategic vulnerability is also why Australia has followed the United States into every war since Korea. Australian governments don't make any strategic blunders, and when they do, they scramble to fix them: they cut foreign aid to Pacific islands in a populist pique, before realizing that China was encircling them and then quickly reversed themselves.

    Australia is going to have a bigger population in the next century: it can either control the process itself, or it can pretend to be a tiny colonial outpost of blighty until it's overrun by foreign hordes while its legions of incel shitposters try to disseminate memes over destroyed internet cables.

    “Muslim population makes an excellent human shield against Indonesia.”

    How? Looks more like a poison pill.

    And how does importing Chinese serve as a deterrent against Chinese control? Preemptively importing a fifth column?

    • Replies: @Axto
    Having something to lose makes them less likely to want to flatten the place for lebensraum.
    , @Axto
    Having something to lose makes them less likely to want to flatten the place for lebensraum.
  191. @Cowboy Shaw
    I can answer that for NZ and say yes, absolutely. There is a sleeper element in NZ too in the Maori community. At the moment I get the feeling Maori elites are happy to stick it a bit to the Pakeha (Europeans) and cuddle up a bit with China, but they've got a good thing going on right now, and they'll turn on a dime once they see that threatened by too many newcomers insufficiently reverent to the holy and sacred document that is the Treaty of Waitangi, and their exhalted high status as Tangata Whenua (People of the Land).

    Exactly. The Maori do not have that suicidal impulse far too common among white liberals. And white liberals are thick on the ground in New Zealand.

    If the Maori stand up to defend their homeland and say enough, the foolishness of importing the Third World to New Zealand will stop.

    If one had to rely on the white population in New Zealand to defend their homeland the nation would be doomed.

  192. @Citizen of The World

    Some residents of the area justify their opposition by asking whether Australia has enough water to support a larger population ...
     
    Let me be perfectly clear. As a Citizen Of The World, I have found that people dying of thirst in a desert cling bitterly to their last drop of water. Water is colorless, so it is definitely racist.

    My grandmother was one of those typical White people, who stay on the rainy side of a continent just because the other side of the continent is bone-dry.

    How dare they justify opposing mass immigration, just because everyone will die of massive thirst.

    If you want your drinking glass, you can keep your drinking glass.
    The government will ration the water in a fair, sustainable, and equitable way that respects the rights of LGBTQWERTY - that is, those bitter clingers go to the back of the que.

    How dare they justify opposing mass immigration, just because everyone will die of massive thirst.

  193. @Almost Missouri

    "Muslim population makes an excellent human shield against Indonesia."
     
    How? Looks more like a poison pill.

    And how does importing Chinese serve as a deterrent against Chinese control? Preemptively importing a fifth column?

    Having something to lose makes them less likely to want to flatten the place for lebensraum.

  194. @Almost Missouri

    "Muslim population makes an excellent human shield against Indonesia."
     
    How? Looks more like a poison pill.

    And how does importing Chinese serve as a deterrent against Chinese control? Preemptively importing a fifth column?

    Having something to lose makes them less likely to want to flatten the place for lebensraum.

  195. @Kratoklastes
    Your mate might be well-served if you let him know that Yanks are the biggest purchasers of major-city Strayan property: at the peak the Yanks bought about 1.8x as much as Yon Chinkee, and more recently the credit crunch (and capital controls in China) have curtailed Chinese buyers.

    Is he a big watcher of commercial TV? That might explain why he's so ill-informed.

    Americans in Australia bad. Chinese in Australia good.

    I, for one, welcome our new Sino Overlords.

  196. @Achmed E. Newman
    Hey, how amazing, Mr. Anon! This was the 2nd-choice song, for me behind It's a Long Way to the Top that I was going to embed to show that wonderful Australia of years ago. I had put this song in a post on Peak Stupidity 1 1/2 years ago.

    They had better songs (not that there was anything wrong with that one) but that clip showed what their audience looked like too.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yeah, but this one has Bon Scott and bagpipes.

    https://youtu.be/-sUXMzkh-jI

    If Bon Scott had lived, none of this would have ever happened.
  197. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    Robots. That's the answer to the aging population question in the Land of the Rising Sun. The PRC wants to do the same thing in coming decades.

    It's actually quite smart. Think about it: the problem is that people don't have the money or time to have kids in a culture where the work hours, rents, and school costs are insane. Then a logical step is to let the population decline some while pursuing mass robot help. Rents will go down in the cities, as will the cost of schools because the cut-throat pressure is quieting down. People will have more time to do things. Some will have kids. Japan's population will decrease some, but it will go on as a nation-and really, when you look at how crowded the place is and how much robots are going to take over a lot of jobs, you have to wonder how bad that fate is.

    Of course, people having more freedom, less economic pressures, and not feeling the need to bend over backwards for employers is exactly what Western oligarchs *don't* want. So we get immiserated by articles professing that the wisest thing to do in the age of mass automation is import tens of millions of new citizens, most of whom-contra to media dogma-have no more skills than the natives.

    On the immigration issue: there is an influx of immigrants in Japan and South Korea these days. It's very modest on Western standards, but it is there. But the biggest sources are China and Vietnam: aka, the other Confucian countries. (There's also a Filipino presence in both countries, but many of them are women who've married Japanese or Korean men.) Much like Poles who are OK with Ukrainian laborers but want nothing to do with Afghans, the Japanese and Koreans understand that if you've got to have immigrants, having them come from your own cultural sphere is the best option.

    If you don't look like them, in Japan or South Korea, your best bet is to have a math-oriented PhD and come for a job crunching PDEs in a bank or with a local hotshot AI startup. You'll find it pretty easy to get a visa, no matter where you come from. I had dinner in Seoul with a Bangladeshi who'd been working there for decades. Dark-skinned and nominally Muslim at best (he drank alcohol and ate pork), but equipped with a PhD in electrical engineering and speaking Korean, so I presume he didn't have many issues with the visa. Of course, the rub here is that relatively few of these kinds of high human capital types are going to come from the countries massively exporting "refugees"...

    Robotics will never be a big thing in the west due to Christianity, which has a big problem with creating machines in the image of man. The Japanese and other Asians don’t have this problem.

    • LOL: William Badwhite
  198. @ATBOTL
    It's fascinating the watch the new theories neocons are coming up with to promote the same old globalist policies in the age of the alt-right. This one wants to tell us that Australia needs Muslim and Chinese immigration to stop a Muslim or Chinese invasion.

    I call this style of argumentation neoconservatism2.0. They will claim that some policy that neocons have always wanted is somehow helpful to those who have nationalistic goals, even when it's blatantly nonsensical. It's a sign of desperation and it's not working on anyone under 60.

    The phrase “populate or perish” in Australia dates back to before the neocons were a twinkle in their Trotskyist parents’ eyes.

  199. @Anonymous

    The government’s plan, which had been in the works for months, is a potential turning point for a nation that has been shaped by newcomers since its days as a British penal colony and that has presented itself in recent years as a model of how immigration, properly managed, can strengthen a country.
     
    Those newcomers... weren't they white supremacist immigrants who wiped out the native population?
    If newcomers can harm the existing population as whites did to Aborigines, why shouldn't whites worry about what harm non-white immigration from Asia and Africa may do to them? A bit of immigration adds minorities to the mix. Unending immigration invariably leads to native population being replaced or at least outnumbered by newcomers. If the faucet keeps dripping, the bucket will eventually fill. Problem is worse than drip drip however. The faucet is turned on full blast in much of the world.

    Do these writers who associate immigration with good things and anti-immigration with 'supremacism' ever interview the brown natives of South America about their opinions on the matter? Also, if the white nations tell non-whites around the world, "leave your nation and come to our nation because it's better", isn't that a supremacist attitude as well? If all nations are equally worthy, why should a people abandon their own nation for another?
    And speaking of 'social justice', how it is good for non-white nations to lose their most resourceful members and manpower to the West? It'd be like the superbowl team sucking up all the best players from other teams.
    If Western elites really love immigration and helping non-white nations, they should emigrate to the poorest nations and use their brains to build them up. That would be elite socialism. Share the top elites in the West with the world. Have Zuckerberg go to Rwanda and build business there.

    A bit of immigration adds minorities to the mix.

    Stop using the word “minorities” in White countries. Just stop.

    Words matter.

    Use “non-White world majority” or just “non-Whites” instead.

    There are more Chinese alone than White people in the world. There are more Black people alone than White people in the world.

    For God’s sake Chinese and Blacks are not “minorities” as there are more of each of them than of Whites.

    Whites are a small minority at about 8% of world population. Blacks, about 16% and Chinese at 19% (yes, nearly 1 of 5 people in the world are Chinese).

    Stop calling Blacks, Chinese and Asians “minorities.”

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Good points.
  200. @Jeff77450
    I don't see how Muslim and Chinese immigrants makes Australia more secure. Quite the opposite, in fact. I served in four Islamic visions of what can only be described as Hell on Earth, I kid you not. As 9/11 demonstrated Muslims make a society less stable and less secure. The West is collectively *insane* to allow these people in, and in large numbers.

    No offence, but by invading Muslim countries, you were part of the problem, not the solution.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Yeah, but we doubled up on the insanity by encouraging lots of Muslim migration, post 911. Trump's Muslim ban failed, mostly due to the (((establishment))). We might get a war in Iran though.
  201. @White Guy In Japan
    Yes, but in Japan we have some (((journalists))) beating the drums for diversity.

    https://twitter.com/jakeadelstein/status/1041675568519892992?lang=en

    >if it’s going to survive
    The funniest thing about censorship efforts is that the whole nation wrecker case is right here in this tweet, and no Nazi-finder would ever propose censoring Adelstein.

  202. @Jason Liu
    Bangladesh is not globalized at all. It is a 98% homogeneous society with very conservative values.

    Cf “Black Panther is hella diverse.”

  203. sb says:

    Well as an Australian I’d like to see ALL immigration stopped until such time that ,say, the foreign born percentage of the population is under 5% ( remember the world average is 3-4 % )

    [MORE]

    What this means in practise is the cessation of Permanent Residency Visas . To be an Australian citizen you must be born one .Simple as that .

    The thing is that even like minded people from say Anglosphere nations are in this day and age more likely to have an emigre mindset than an assimilationist one .The days of one one way ticket in a lifetime are well and truly ovet

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    What??? No Poms??
  204. @J.Ross
    Yeah it seems to me that massive war crime interference by the most powerful militaries on Earth might have tipped those scales just the slightest bit. Also, their problem wasn't Balkanization itself but de-Balkanization by homogenizing Muslims.
    If the Portlander stays in Portland, all is well.

    Now do the previous 4,000 years.

  205. @Mr. Anon
    They had better songs (not that there was anything wrong with that one) but that clip showed what their audience looked like too.

    Yeah, but this one has Bon Scott and bagpipes.

    If Bon Scott had lived, none of this would have ever happened.

  206. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    No, a certain amount of immigration can be a good thing.

    Consider the old days, when we had very few immigrants.

    During that time the Einstein family immigrated to the US. (My grandfather helped one of the Einsteins get into the US). Many of the best scientists in the world at the time were European, esp. German, Jews. Germany had dominated the sciences, esp. physics. I think about half the Nobel Laureates from Germany immigrated to the US during that time of very low immigration.

    Those scientists helped us win the War, at least partly because they were not helping the Nazis win the War.

    Right at the end of WW II, the Russians and Americans went around Germany looking for the top German scientists. Quite a few went to extraordinary lengths to surrender to American soldiers, many of whom had lists in their pockets of people to take to HQ.

    Those scientists got us to the moon.

    Years later there was the notorious "brain drain", in which a number of the top European scientists took academic positions in the more prosperous United States.

    I remember in 1986 I attended the Nichols Award ceremony for a scientist named Michael Dewar, who was one of the earliest big name scientists to come to the US during the "brain drain" era. Very interesting event -- he had his son, the famous computer scientist Robert Dewar, throw out a nasty question during the Q&A session, which Michael Dewar was very well prepared for. I just happened to be sitting next to some friends of the Dewar family. Other people I talked to were very impressed by the elder Dewar's answer to a tough question.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._S._Dewar

    The "brain drain" scientists helped establish the post-War domination of science and technology by the United States.

    So saying there is no time in history that immigration has been good for the native stock people is incorrect.

    Immigration is more like having a glass of wine occasionally with dinner. The occasional glass of fine wine can be beneficial. Drinking a gallon of illegal rotgut moonshine every day is not.

    The problem with having an immigration loophole for ‘geniuses’ is that the definition of ‘genius’ gets progressively stretched to the point of encompassing everyone who is not actually illiterate. This is what happened to the H1-B program, which began as a way of importing people with exceptional talents that couldn’t be found in the US, but which has eventually become a means to mass-import people for data-entry drudgework that used to be done perfectly well (albeit more expensively) by native citizens.

  207. @Federalist

    “The Arab people, they don’t want to do anything,” he said. “They just want to go on the dole. That’s just the way I see it.”

    It is the kind of attitude that . . . still shapes the discussion around population growth
     
    The NYT doesn't attempt to refute this man's statement. In fact, they don't even say his statement is inaccurate. His statement is heretical. It's factual content is irrelevant.

    Here’s a great piece by the Australian Propoganda machine that, despite seemingly like a rebbutal, confirms that what the 69yo said is correct.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-24/fact-check-fraser-anning-muslims-not-working-welfare/10139350

    Fact check: Are a majority of working-age Australian Muslims not working and living on welfare?

    The verdict
    Senator Anning’s claim is half-baked.
    The majority of working-age Muslims, that is more than half of Muslims aged 15-64, are not working. The exact figure is 51.3 per cent.
    But whether these Muslims are also living on welfare payments cannot be established because the Government does not collect information on religion in social security statistics

    We can’t know for certain if they’re on the dole, but the majority aren’t working! Don’t forget to factor in the TFR when trying to figure out how they get by.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Of course they're working - for cash under the table with no taxes paid
  208. Anonymous[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses

    A bit of immigration adds minorities to the mix.
     
    Stop using the word "minorities" in White countries. Just stop.

    Words matter.

    Use "non-White world majority" or just "non-Whites" instead.

    There are more Chinese alone than White people in the world. There are more Black people alone than White people in the world.

    For God's sake Chinese and Blacks are not "minorities" as there are more of each of them than of Whites.

    Whites are a small minority at about 8% of world population. Blacks, about 16% and Chinese at 19% (yes, nearly 1 of 5 people in the world are Chinese).

    Stop calling Blacks, Chinese and Asians "minorities."

    Good points.

  209. @Endgame Napoleon
    Maybe, the Australians have the highest IQs, regardless of that pro-mass-immigration housing-bubble section. It is about quality of life. A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life. Too many immigrants lowers quality of life, especially for the native citizens, but also for the immigrants as proven in multiple mass murders by terrorists who emigrated to the West and became disgruntled with Western society. Western nations need to assimilate the immigrants they already have before adding more.

    Maybe, the Australians have the highest IQs, regardless of that pro-mass-immigration housing-bubble section. It is about quality of life. A reasonable number of immigrants enhances quality of life.

    No, it doesn’t.

  210. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tusk
    Here's a great piece by the Australian Propoganda machine that, despite seemingly like a rebbutal, confirms that what the 69yo said is correct.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-24/fact-check-fraser-anning-muslims-not-working-welfare/10139350

    Fact check: Are a majority of working-age Australian Muslims not working and living on welfare?

    The verdict
    Senator Anning's claim is half-baked.
    The majority of working-age Muslims, that is more than half of Muslims aged 15-64, are not working. The exact figure is 51.3 per cent.
    But whether these Muslims are also living on welfare payments cannot be established because the Government does not collect information on religion in social security statistics

     

    We can't know for certain if they're on the dole, but the majority aren't working! Don't forget to factor in the TFR when trying to figure out how they get by.

    Of course they’re working – for cash under the table with no taxes paid

  211. @John Derbyshire
    Check out China Uncensored https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBzVKtTOq3s

    The original Yellow Vests!

  212. @sb
    Well as an Australian I'd like to see ALL immigration stopped until such time that ,say, the foreign born percentage of the population is under 5% ( remember the world average is 3-4 % )
    What this means in practise is the cessation of Permanent Residency Visas . To be an Australian citizen you must be born one .Simple as that .

    The thing is that even like minded people from say Anglosphere nations are in this day and age more likely to have an emigre mindset than an assimilationist one .The days of one one way ticket in a lifetime are well and truly ovet

    What??? No Poms??

    • Replies: @sb
    Yes
  213. @Buffalo Joe
    How does Japan manage to stay under the radar on immigration.

    There seems to be some convergence here on an (((answer)))! There’s something to that in the sense that immigration is something pushed internally. Obviously, Japan is involved in international conferences where immigration is probably promoted, but ultimately internal political considerations dominate immigration decisions.

    As I’ve said before, I think Abe is an Invade/Invite PM, and immigration is slowly creeping upward. There needs to be normalization of “multicultural” and “global” identity first, and the Olympics is being used to push that. Then there’s a World Expo in the pipelines. Plus, miscegenated athletes, increased focus on English instruction in primary school, and some other trends.

    In short, the frog is getting boiled slowly, and people like you are going to keep asking how Japan keeps out immigrants until one day you stop asking because Japan actually has lots of immigrants.

    What Japan needs is an anti-immigrant voice that is not far-right guys in loud-speaker-trucks.

  214. @White Guy In Japan
    Yes, but in Japan we have some (((journalists))) beating the drums for diversity.

    https://twitter.com/jakeadelstein/status/1041675568519892992?lang=en

    Sheer evil.

    It’s telling. Endless–absolutely endless–whining about “hate” “racism”, “anti-semitism” from people who can’t leave any people alone to just be who they are.

    Sheer evil.

    • Replies: @Moses
    It's almost as if they cannot stand any racial/ethnic group to be homogenous and unified except for them, and work tirelessly to dilute and subvert other groups whist practicing ruthless ethnocentrism for themselves.

    Weird.
  215. @Anonymous
    Why do you think we fought in every war the US fought for the last century or so? That there should be no quid pro quo? That is the reality of the situation. We also have a shared UK heritage, we are literal brother countries.

    The key point is that all island countries have a naval focus. Even the USA may be considered a large island north of the Panama Canal, which is why they are all about their navy.

    Eurasian nations must prioritise armies.

    Why do you think we fought in every war the US fought for the last century or so? That there should be no quid pro quo? That is the reality of the situation. We also have a shared UK heritage, we are literal brother countries.

    That brother country stuff is a delusion. We may have a shared heritage but the Brits don’t give a damn about us and there’s no reason why we should give a damn about them.

    Same with the Yanks. Thinking they owe us something and thinking we can rely on them is pure wishful thinking. They owe us nothing and we owe them nothing.

  216. @IHTG
    Here's a question for Australians. Is it possible that immigration restrictionism is an easier sell in Australia compared to the United States, because in Australia there's not merely a shallow "white" identity but a specifically Anglo-Celtic character of the nation which has managed to hold on?

    Is it possible that immigration restrictionism is an easier sell in Australia compared to the United States,

    It’s not an easier sell here. The entire establishment, the media, the corporate sector, the major political parties, are all absolutely united in wanting and demanding mass immigration. Our immigration levels are sky-high.

    We have a couple of minor political parties that are immigration restrictionist. They get less than 5% of the vote. So 95% of the population votes for parties that are fanatically pro-immigration.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    Easier doesn't mean easy.
  217. @sb
    I hope so .
    I am not anywhere as pessimistic about Australia's future as I am about the USA's
    But maybe that's wishful thinking

    I am not anywhere as pessimistic about Australia’s future as I am about the USA’s
    But maybe that’s wishful thinking

    I’d be optimistic about Australia’s future if there was a chance of cutting all ties with the United States. Everything that has contributed to wrecking Australia over the past half century has originated in the United States.

    • Replies: @sb
    Agree
    But not sure that this is the best forum to express such views
    , @Anonymous
    I assume you're referring here to the 'American' model of continual inter-generational upward mobility with a constant inflow of poor immigrants entering at the bottom of society to keep everything moving ever upwards.
    , @Anon
    You're welcome. Have another scoop of our fruity Americana.
    , @Moses
    Right on.

    We Australians are helplessly controlled by Americans. It's all America's fault we're replacing our own people with Sudanese Muslims.

    You hear that?! We're powerless. No agency at all.

    [Takes draught on beer, stares vacantly at TV.]

  218. @dfordoom

    Is it possible that immigration restrictionism is an easier sell in Australia compared to the United States,
     
    It's not an easier sell here. The entire establishment, the media, the corporate sector, the major political parties, are all absolutely united in wanting and demanding mass immigration. Our immigration levels are sky-high.

    We have a couple of minor political parties that are immigration restrictionist. They get less than 5% of the vote. So 95% of the population votes for parties that are fanatically pro-immigration.

    Easier doesn’t mean easy.

  219. @dfordoom

    I am not anywhere as pessimistic about Australia’s future as I am about the USA’s
    But maybe that’s wishful thinking
     
    I'd be optimistic about Australia's future if there was a chance of cutting all ties with the United States. Everything that has contributed to wrecking Australia over the past half century has originated in the United States.

    Agree
    But not sure that this is the best forum to express such views

  220. Anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    I am not anywhere as pessimistic about Australia’s future as I am about the USA’s
    But maybe that’s wishful thinking
     
    I'd be optimistic about Australia's future if there was a chance of cutting all ties with the United States. Everything that has contributed to wrecking Australia over the past half century has originated in the United States.

    I assume you’re referring here to the ‘American’ model of continual inter-generational upward mobility with a constant inflow of poor immigrants entering at the bottom of society to keep everything moving ever upwards.

  221. @John Derbyshire
    Check out China Uncensored https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBzVKtTOq3s

    I just watched this China Unensored episode. Thanks. I can remember reading about the Falun Gong right during the time of their persecution in Spring/Summer of ’99 during my 1-year or so time of habitually reading through the whole Wall Street Journal. I eventually had had enough of that rag, soon after.

  222. @Paleo Liberal
    No, a certain amount of immigration can be a good thing.

    Consider the old days, when we had very few immigrants.

    During that time the Einstein family immigrated to the US. (My grandfather helped one of the Einsteins get into the US). Many of the best scientists in the world at the time were European, esp. German, Jews. Germany had dominated the sciences, esp. physics. I think about half the Nobel Laureates from Germany immigrated to the US during that time of very low immigration.

    Those scientists helped us win the War, at least partly because they were not helping the Nazis win the War.

    Right at the end of WW II, the Russians and Americans went around Germany looking for the top German scientists. Quite a few went to extraordinary lengths to surrender to American soldiers, many of whom had lists in their pockets of people to take to HQ.

    Those scientists got us to the moon.

    Years later there was the notorious "brain drain", in which a number of the top European scientists took academic positions in the more prosperous United States.

    I remember in 1986 I attended the Nichols Award ceremony for a scientist named Michael Dewar, who was one of the earliest big name scientists to come to the US during the "brain drain" era. Very interesting event -- he had his son, the famous computer scientist Robert Dewar, throw out a nasty question during the Q&A session, which Michael Dewar was very well prepared for. I just happened to be sitting next to some friends of the Dewar family. Other people I talked to were very impressed by the elder Dewar's answer to a tough question.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._S._Dewar

    The "brain drain" scientists helped establish the post-War domination of science and technology by the United States.

    So saying there is no time in history that immigration has been good for the native stock people is incorrect.

    Immigration is more like having a glass of wine occasionally with dinner. The occasional glass of fine wine can be beneficial. Drinking a gallon of illegal rotgut moonshine every day is not.

    Those are exceptions. By the Ellis Island era, immigration had become a net negative for this country.

    Other than the founding Anglo stock and some Northern Euro groups (especially Germans, Dutch, and Scandanavians), most immigrant groups have taken more than they’ve given.

  223. @Pampasgrass
    Did you miss the part where Oz has successfully "strengthened" itself through immigration. They use that word "strength" as if clogged streets, crime, rape, loss of heritage, creaking infrastructure and wasted tax money is seen by Joe Average as strong in any possible sense of the word. Still, they plug the narrative in very bloody white country and even Asian ones now.

    Lots of the “right” people got rich.

    Bankers, real estate developers, speculators, senior management, execs. They kicked back their winnings to a lot of powerful people.

    Who makes money when housing prices climb? Somebody is getting rich.

  224. @Anon
    No offence, but by invading Muslim countries, you were part of the problem, not the solution.

    Yeah, but we doubled up on the insanity by encouraging lots of Muslim migration, post 911. Trump’s Muslim ban failed, mostly due to the (((establishment))). We might get a war in Iran though.

  225. @dfordoom

    I am not anywhere as pessimistic about Australia’s future as I am about the USA’s
    But maybe that’s wishful thinking
     
    I'd be optimistic about Australia's future if there was a chance of cutting all ties with the United States. Everything that has contributed to wrecking Australia over the past half century has originated in the United States.

    You’re welcome. Have another scoop of our fruity Americana.

  226. @Reg Cæsar

    Elites want you to eat a pile of black pepper.
     
    It may be black, but it isn't pepper.

    How do you know that? Did you try it?

  227. Anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATBOTL
    It's fascinating the watch the new theories neocons are coming up with to promote the same old globalist policies in the age of the alt-right. This one wants to tell us that Australia needs Muslim and Chinese immigration to stop a Muslim or Chinese invasion.

    I call this style of argumentation neoconservatism2.0. They will claim that some policy that neocons have always wanted is somehow helpful to those who have nationalistic goals, even when it's blatantly nonsensical. It's a sign of desperation and it's not working on anyone under 60.

    I remember reading contorted post-facto justifications for the invasion of Iraq after it became apparent that the WMD issue was bogus.

  228. @AnotherDad
    Sheer evil.

    It's telling. Endless--absolutely endless--whining about "hate" "racism", "anti-semitism" from people who can't leave any people alone to just be who they are.

    Sheer evil.

    It’s almost as if they cannot stand any racial/ethnic group to be homogenous and unified except for them, and work tirelessly to dilute and subvert other groups whist practicing ruthless ethnocentrism for themselves.

    Weird.

  229. @dfordoom

    I am not anywhere as pessimistic about Australia’s future as I am about the USA’s
    But maybe that’s wishful thinking
     
    I'd be optimistic about Australia's future if there was a chance of cutting all ties with the United States. Everything that has contributed to wrecking Australia over the past half century has originated in the United States.

    Right on.

    We Australians are helplessly controlled by Americans. It’s all America’s fault we’re replacing our own people with Sudanese Muslims.

    You hear that?! We’re powerless. No agency at all.

    [Takes draught on beer, stares vacantly at TV.]

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