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From the New York Times oped page:

Australia’s Immoral Preference for Christian Refugees
By A. ODYSSEUS PATRICK MAY 3, 2017

SYDNEY, Australia — Like many Western countries, Australia has agreed to resettle refugees from the wars in Syria and Iraq. Unlike other countries, Australia explicitly favors Christians, even though they are a minority of those seeking refuge. …

And here’s the big ending:

Before World War II, Australia resisted international pleas to grant refuge to more Jews. “As we have no real racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one by encouraging any scheme of large-scale foreign migration,” a government official said in 1938.

Australia should consider that history may judge it harshly for treating today’s Muslims as it did yesterday’s Jews.

A. Odysseus Patrick is a writer for The Australian Financial Review.

Not surprisingly the text string “Israel” doesn’t appear in this oped, even though Australia and Israel have rather similar refugee rules.

What’s not mentioned in between all that is that Israel has the mirror image policy to Australia’s. The Jewish State, despite being much more conveniently close to the source of Syrian refugees, indeed occupying the well-watered and relatively underpopulated Golan Heights, which are recognized by the UN as Syrian national territory, only allows in Jewish refugees.

 
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  1. Australia’s policy of favoring Christian refugees is actually quite sensible and humanitarian; if you’re taking in people threatened by persecution (Christians or other minorities), it doesn’t make much sense to take in the persecutors (Sunni Muslims) as well.

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  2. Why would Syrian refugees want to come to a place that genocides Arabs?

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Ask them, you might be surprised.
    , @syonredux

    Why would Syrian refugees want to come to a place that genocides Arabs?
     
    Conquest.
    , @Anonymous
    20% of Israeli citizens are Arab.
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  3. What happens if history judges you harshly? You’re still dead no matter what.

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    • Replies: @Clark Westwood
    "I leave a white and turbid wake; pale waters, paler cheeks, where’er I sail. The envious billows sidelong swell to whelm my track; let them; but first I pass."
    , @Mr. Anon

    What happens if history judges you harshly? You’re still dead no matter what.
     
    Actually, being judged harshly is often the result of surviving (as a culture, that is).
    , @anon
    Exactly. Lets say history judges you nicely. That and a quarter will buy you a cup of coffee. This whole "judged by history" thing has never troubled Arab, African, Oriental countries etc. Only white nations have this mental disorder.
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  4. Author Odysseus notes that Oz is caught between Scyllaberg and Charybdisstein. What else is new?

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    Ivy; so funny! Scylla & Charybdis walk into a bar...
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  5. What’s the problem though if the same number of refugees are being resettled otherwise? It’s a preference to Christians, it doesn’t mean Muslims are excluded. Seems like he missed an opportunity to have fewer Muslims fresh from a sectarian civil war in his country and couldn’t abide it! It worked out sooooo well with the Lebanese Muslims.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_mafia#Lebanese_organized_crime_in_Australia

    I also love how he uses his middle name, Odysseus, instead of his actual name, Aaron.

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    300 refugees, Impressive! It's too bad for the hundreds of thousands, millions others couldn't make it.
    , @Anon
    A more recent Article suggests out of the 300, 370 or so Vietnamese refugees to Israel only about 100 to 200 of them and their descendants live in Israel today. About 2 million Americans are of Vietnamese descent today. Even Adjusting for the population difference between the countries that's quite a difference in percentage of Vietnamese in favor of the USA. Funny how that works out, huh? It's almost like to a rounding error there really weren't that many Vietnamese in Israel.
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  7. Australia should be accepting neither immigrants nor refugees nor asylum seekers at this time. It doesn’t matter whether the refugees are Christians or anything else. Australia should take not one entrant from the Middle East nor anywhere else.

    The New York Times is constantly pushing nation-wrecking mass immigration for European Christian nation-states. The New York Times can go straight to hell. It is obvious that the anti-White elements that control the New York Times propagandize in favor of mass immigration because mass immigration will demographically destroy White nations.

    BRING BACK THE WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Wow bro youre so edgy.
    , @anon
    Note how they only push mass immigration for white nations.
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  8. The Holocaust is turning rapidly into the Johnny Cochran’s monkey from that episode of South Park…

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    Don't you mean the phonics monkey?
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  9. The way African refugees have been behaving in Melbourne lately is the latest reminder the old White Australia Policy was the best idea we ever got rid of.

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  10. Strange that in this case the NYT admonishes Australia for wanting to help a minority group. I thought they were all in for minority immigrants.

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    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    I guess some minority immigrats are more equal than the others under the eyes of the NYT.
    , @Frau Katze
    NYT is hostile to Christians when it gets the chance. Articles about Catholic priest scandals or fundamentalist Christians are always featured with comments enabled so readers can pile on.

    In other words, the complete opposite of their soft treatment of Muslims. Comments never seem to be enabled on Muslim terrorism articles.

    I've noticed it over and over.
    , @Sarah Toga
    Exactly what I first noticed. Until I thought about the NYT track record, as Frau Katze points out.
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  11. So you may increase your chance of being: Judged harshly; blown up harshley; run over harshly; raped harshly. Hmm, choose one?

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  12. NYT: “Before WWII, Australia resisted . . . refuge to more Jews. ‘As we have no real racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one by encouraging any scheme of large-scale foreign migration,’ a government official said in 1938.”

    NYT: “Australia should consider that history may judge it harshly for treating today’s Muslims as it did yesterday’s Jews.”

    Reality already judges Australia harshly for reneging, importing the tribe that encourages large-scale foreign migration and social chaos of all sorts.

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    But wasn't that NYT's stance on Jews in 1938 too?
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  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    White countries and Christian countries (Nigeria etc) are being transferred to non-whites and non-Christians.

    This is official NWO/globalist policy.

    The policy is zealously supported by Muslims, Jews, Bhuddists, Athiests, Hispanics, Blacks, Asians and guilt-tripped or deracinated Whites. This coalition is powerful enough to make it happen and so it is happening.

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  14. @inertial
    Why would Syrian refugees want to come to a place that genocides Arabs?

    Ask them, you might be surprised.

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  15. @inertial
    Why would Syrian refugees want to come to a place that genocides Arabs?

    Why would Syrian refugees want to come to a place that genocides Arabs?

    Conquest.

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  16. I’ve seen several comparisons of the Syrian “refugee” problem to America’s refusal to accept the passengers of the S.S. St Louis, one of them in an Israeli paper. Of course absolutely none of them felt the “lessons” from that experience needed to apply to Israel. Funny how that works.

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I’ve seen several comparisons of the Syrian “refugee” problem to America’s refusal to accept the passengers of the S.S. St Louis, one of them in an Israeli paper.

    The great thing about relatively minor historical incidents like the SS St. Louis is they can be used as a stick to eternally beat the descendants of people living thousands of miles away from the killing fields of Eastern Europe. Ironically, the proud descendants of those who actually carried out the mass killings in eastern Ukraine are now given a pass.
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  17. @Buffalo Joe
    Strange that in this case the NYT admonishes Australia for wanting to help a minority group. I thought they were all in for minority immigrants.

    I guess some minority immigrats are more equal than the others under the eyes of the NYT.

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  18. If the liberal ladies and gentlemen of the 19th and 20th century had been told we’d eventually be shamed for preferring Christian refugees, would they ever have emancipated the Jews or thrown open our doors to Jewish immigration?

    Doesn’t Trump have a little poem about a silly woman and a serpent?

    I’m starting to curse the whole liberal project now, and I mean “liberal” in the real sense of the word. If people don’t want fascism — and I currently don’t — then they’d better reform liberal democracy fast.

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    • Replies: @neon2
    I've wanted fascism since I was literally nine years old.
    Nowadays I want something a bit stronger.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I’m starting to curse the whole liberal project now, and I mean “liberal” in the real sense of the word.
     
    I understand the sentiment. But what would we replace it with?
    , @Opinionator
    What is the real sense of the word?
    , @dfordoom

    If people don’t want fascism — and I currently don’t — then they’d better reform liberal democracy fast.
     
    Liberal democracy can't be reformed. Its fatal flaws are baked into the cake. Liberalism is utopian nonsense.

    Your choice is between authoritarian/fascist government that is on your side or authoritarian/fascist government that hates you and wants you dead.
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  19. Before World War II, Australia resisted international pleas to grant refuge to more Jews. “As we have no real racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one by encouraging any scheme of large-scale foreign migration,” a government official said in 1938.

    Wise words.As Enoch Powell said, “The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils.”

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    With tremendous pride, I'd like to inform you that there were at least eight Jewish convicts transported to Botany Bay in 1788!!
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a "real racial problem" had Australia welcomed them? Was that what Enoch Powell had in mind 30 years later?

    David Frum's response to people bringing up the '30s in the context of today's refugees seems a smarter tack than reaching for "rivers of blood" here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/refugees/419976/
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  20. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    If Australia didn’t cause the problems in the Middle East, why should it be responsible?

    US, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Turkey are most responsible for the mess.

    Now, Turkey has taken in refugees. And US took some in too. Israel and Saudis refuse to take any but keep messing things up. And US backs them.

    Australia had NOTHING to do with the mayhem in the Middle East. So, why are Australians responsible? Why are they even taking Christian ‘refugees’?

    If Australia really wants to be morally responsible, why not publicly condemn the neo-imperialist Zionist-controlled US foreign policy that has led to WWIII-like conditions in the Middle East? Why not call for a international coalition to oppose, block and resist the new imperialism emanating from Washington and its lackey states in the Middle East and EU?

    And this invocation of Jews and Holocaust is getting dreary. Just as it’s tiresome to see another national leader smeared as ‘new hitler’, it’s tiresome to see another bunch of suffering folks sanctified as ‘new jews’. How many ‘new hitlers’ and ‘new jews’ are there?
    Yes, during WWII, the world could have done more to save Jews. But today(with great irony), it is globalist Jews who are acting most Nazi-like in fomenting wars and terror all over. Times have changed. If any power is the ‘new hitler’, it is Zionist-globalist power. After all, if there are ‘new jews’, they must be victims of ‘new hitlers’. So, who are the ‘new hitlers’? Globalists tend to be rather mum on that. They pretend Hussein, Iranian leader, Gaddafi, Assad, or Putin is the ‘new hitlers’, but they were not the ones who created the mess in the Middle East. The main instigators have been US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. Turkey also played a role, especially under unstable Erdogan, a truly dangerous man, but for some reason, the globalists go easy on him.

    During WWII, nations condemned Hitler and Nazi Germany for messing things up. And the world joined together to defeat that evil power.
    Imagine if people back then made a lot of noise about helping refugees created by WWII without ever blaming Hitler, the main instigator of the disaster. That would be nuts, morally untenable.
    The best way to help Jews and other victims of Nazism was to condemn Nazi Germany as the source of the problem and work to end the Nazi World Order.

    The moral discourse of today is akin to “calling for more charity for victims without condemning Hitler”. The recent refugees didn’t turn themselves into refugees. No one wants to be a refugee. Indeed, turning people into refugees is a crime. So, more important than helping refugees is preventing people from becoming refugees in the first place.
    Why did so many people become refugees? Because the Globalist US(largely steered by Zionist interests and Saudi vileness) made a sorry mess of the Middle East and then even North Africa with hell in Libya. But scum like Odysseus Patrick remain mum on that note.

    He is like a hypothetical Nazi toady or apologist during WWII berating the world for not doing enough to help Polish, Jewish, or Russian refugees without ever mentioning the fact that the victims were forced into refugee-status by Nazi German aggression.

    When mendacious immoral toadies like Patrick(who serve globalist-imperium) preen and sermonize from the bully pulpit, it is total pukeville.

    But then, the current globalist order has the US backing Saudis — the main supporters of Muslim terrorism — into slots in the UN ‘human rights’ commission.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/01/how-saudi-arabia-kept-its-un-human-rights-council-seat

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    I don't think the U.S. should be obligated to take in refugees, even if they bear responsibility for the mess. Two wrongs don't make a right.

    Besides, how do we know they're even refugees, or from the places we've left messes? That's kinda up in the air.
    , @AnotherDad

    US, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Turkey are most responsible for the mess.
     
    No, the Syrians are responsible for their own mess.

    US, Saudi, Israeli and Turkish policy may well have made it worse--i agree. And occasionally there's an actual occupying power. But fundamentally year over year, generation over generation people are responsible for their nations being either peaceful prosperous places or dysfunctional hellholes. Syria is Syria because Syrians do not have the wherewithal to demand and make it better.

    Which again--can't be emphasized enough--is why the most important political question is and always will be "who makes up my nation?" Take in crappier people, take in non-integrabale or hostile minorities ... bad things happen.
    , @dfordoom

    If Australia didn’t cause the problems in the Middle East, why should it be responsible?
     
    We're pathetic enough to publicly and enthusiastically support every stupid evil American foreign policy debacle. We didn't cause the problems but we've been rabid cheerleaders for those who did.

    We're too gutless ever to behave like an independent nation.
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  21. Self-preservation seems adaptative. Minorities are parasites upon the process. They ultimately seek to destroy self-preservation of the host. The host that lacks an immune system sufficiently strong to resist parasitism by “minorities” will not survive long. The host will be consumed by the parasite. The parasite climbs up adaptative hills and the host retreats down toward adaptative dales. Self-preservation is lost and the whole world is lost to the parasites. Mankind is lost and civilization is lost. Without your people you will find you have nothing, nothing at all. In the end, you’ll find you have absolutely nothing without your people.

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  22. This seems like a good place to leave an excellent comment that was posted in the comment section of NY Magazine’s profile of Steve. I pasted it in the comments of the iSteve article on the profile but it was a few days afterward and I think it deserves wider readership.

    From “random.observer”:

    That’s a good and remarkably balanced profile.

    It’s worth stressing that Sailer’s original and so far as I can tell, still favored political philosophy has been and is what he calls “citizenism”, an attempt to frame a fairly inclusive nationalism around the idea of American nationhood, heritage, common culture, and institutions.

    He gave it a name for his own use, but it’s not far from what others have called civic nationalism, institutional nationalism, cultural nationalism, or for that matter to some ‘patriotism’. Perhaps patriotism with a more nationalist tinge.

    Now looked at from a certain point of view, that does bias in favor of a lot of traditional ‘white American’ concerns, but from another point of view that is not unreasonable as an expectation of what was for so long the overwhelming majority and the population that actually shaped the forms of government and built the nation to its boundaries and its institutions.

    Such a nationalism should, and in Sailer’s hands did, make room for the obvious identification of the Native American heritage, African American reality, cultural importance and citizenship, and full constitutional rights for the aforementioned and for all others who have come to the US.

    But it would also prioritize such things as a national-interest based foreign policy [which does not preclude even if it moderates idealistic crusading] and a national-interest based trade policy [which does not preclude free trade, it never did, but sees it as instrumental rather than teleological]. It would have expected and assumed sovereign control over immigration as a norm [as it long was globally assumed to be] not a controversy, and treated illegal entry as such. It would have assumed that legal entry followed by taking up citizenship meant loyalty to the US and not a former nation, and generally adoption of an American identity.

    I always thought this was the vision American liberals wanted in the Kennedy-Johnson era and for a while after. I am just about able to credit the Clinton era liberals with sharing it. Although their emphases on economics and class, foreign policy, and many other social and legal issues differed, I see only evidence that both Nixon and Reagan style conservatives had reached this point also.

    I might even argue that, despite how it is relentlessly characterized otherwise, and wished to be otherwise by some on the right, anything that might resemble American nationalism in Trump’s head follows assumptions like these.

    It’s actually pretty conventional liberal democratic nationalism and scarcely any of its bases were much questioned outside the academy until the late 1990s. Plenty of goodwill in it. It isn’t even actually hostile to other nations.

    It was not the right that abandoned it for identity politics first.

    On Sailer’s other frequent insight, that identity politics is an inevitable consequence of diversity. He’s right, but he’s also channeling telegrams from the Department of Duh there. It’s a useful service but it’s not him coming up with something new. It’s observation.

    There has never been an ethnically, culturally or religiously diverse society in which identity politics was not the default mode. The closer it gets to not having a majority consensus, the more identity politics becomes the only mode. Bronze Age to today, can find no exception. It’s not the end of the world, but it’s what we’re choosing.

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  23. @Ed
    What happens if history judges you harshly? You're still dead no matter what.

    “I leave a white and turbid wake; pale waters, paler cheeks, where’er I sail. The envious billows sidelong swell to whelm my track; let them; but first I pass.”

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  24. Jews demand that African refugees in Isreal be sent to Australia instead

    http://m.jpost.com/#/app/article/227332

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    "Jews demand" Sigh.

    One Israeli official asked Australia to take the Muslim refugees from Israel. Did they?

    Last time I checked, Australia got Obama to take in some Muslims. And now Trump has caved, "Mike Pence, the American vice president, confirmed on Saturday that his country would honour an agreement with Australia over resettling refugees that Donald Trump once described as "dumb". " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/22/us-will-honour-refugee-deal-australia-trump-called-dumb/

    No need to get worked up for your blood brothers, the Australians, they're pretty good at finding a bigger sucker.
    , @Clyde

    Jews demand that African refugees in Isreal be sent to Australia instead
    http://m.jpost.com/#/app/article/227332
     
    Such impressive information! And do tell us what actually happened. In the real world Australia has taken in a shiite load of Sudanese and Somalis all on their own. AngloSphere nations are infested by lunatics who cannot get enough of wayward Muslim Somalis.
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  25. Jews gonna Jew. Kevin McDonald, FTW.

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  26. Not surprisingly the text string “Israel” doesn’t appear in this oped, even though Australia and Israel have rather similar refugee rules.

    Also, Israel obviates the need for other countries to welcome Jewish refugees in the event of a future persecution. That’s its main reason for existence.

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    Zionism was also about European Jewry divorcing itself from western and eastern Christendom and heading back to the motherland, Marcus Garvey style. They and we were supposed to be irredeemably bad for one another and so they were off on their own. Now we're told Israel is a key western country. Certain Bible-bangers are fine with France or Russia going down the drain (for their sins) but nobody better mess with Israel!
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  27. “Not surprisingly the text string “Israel” doesn’t appear in this oped, even though Australia and Israel have rather similar refugee rules.”

    I agree that we should be consistent. We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Let the Jews have Hawaii. Palestine should belong to its original Arab inhabitants or be administered by the UN.
    , @anon
    We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.

    The only quibble I can find with that is that there are around 14 million Jewish people in the world, and roughly 2.2 billion Christians.
    , @anon
    Zambia is an officially Christian republic and significantly larger than 8 thousand square miles.
    , @Big Bill
    I have an even better idea. You expel your goyim from Eretz Y'Isroel and we expel our aliens from Europe and the Anglosphere. Deal?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I agree that we should be consistent. We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.
     
    Are you an Anti-Semitic black flagger? If you are not, maybe you should not work so hard to excite ill will toward Jews.
    , @Karl
    23 Judah Benjamin Hur > We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country


    homelands aren't "found"..... they are built. With military cemeteries.

    Lot of those here, in city and small town.
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  28. @syonredux

    Before World War II, Australia resisted international pleas to grant refuge to more Jews. “As we have no real racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one by encouraging any scheme of large-scale foreign migration,” a government official said in 1938.
     
    Wise words.As Enoch Powell said, "The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils."

    With tremendous pride, I’d like to inform you that there were at least eight Jewish convicts transported to Botany Bay in 1788!!

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    Maybe I am reading your wrong, but I have seen others make similar comments trying to point out that Jews have a right to live in particular nations today because at some time in history Jews, or even a Jew, lived in that particular nation.

    Using that standard no nation on Earth, including Israel, could deny entry to any group today because surely some individual of a related racial, ethnic or religious group must have resided at some point in time in almost every nation, including Israel.
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  29. @Dave Pinsen

    Not surprisingly the text string “Israel” doesn’t appear in this oped, even though Australia and Israel have rather similar refugee rules.
     
    Also, Israel obviates the need for other countries to welcome Jewish refugees in the event of a future persecution. That's its main reason for existence.

    Zionism was also about European Jewry divorcing itself from western and eastern Christendom and heading back to the motherland, Marcus Garvey style. They and we were supposed to be irredeemably bad for one another and so they were off on their own. Now we’re told Israel is a key western country. Certain Bible-bangers are fine with France or Russia going down the drain (for their sins) but nobody better mess with Israel!

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  30. “Australia resisted international pleas to grant refuge to more Jews”

    Nothing to worry about mate, the Japanese took in the Jewish refugees that could make it to Asia. Jewish refugees were mostly also German, Austrailia fought world war I against Germans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Jewish_Refugees_Museum

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  31. @anony-mouse
    '... only allows in Jewish refugees...'

    http://www.aish.com/jw/id/Vietnamese_Boat_People_in_the_Promised_Land.html

    300 refugees, Impressive! It’s too bad for the hundreds of thousands, millions others couldn’t make it.

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  32. Israel and Saudi Arabia have the same immigration policy and the same policy towards ISIS and Iran.

    As for lecturing Australia about their immigration policy it s :

    “What s mine is mine – what s yours needs to be multicultural “

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  33. @Wilkey
    I've seen several comparisons of the Syrian "refugee" problem to America's refusal to accept the passengers of the S.S. St Louis, one of them in an Israeli paper. Of course absolutely none of them felt the "lessons" from that experience needed to apply to Israel. Funny how that works.

    I’ve seen several comparisons of the Syrian “refugee” problem to America’s refusal to accept the passengers of the S.S. St Louis, one of them in an Israeli paper.

    The great thing about relatively minor historical incidents like the SS St. Louis is they can be used as a stick to eternally beat the descendants of people living thousands of miles away from the killing fields of Eastern Europe. Ironically, the proud descendants of those who actually carried out the mass killings in eastern Ukraine are now given a pass.

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  34. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anony-mouse
    '... only allows in Jewish refugees...'

    http://www.aish.com/jw/id/Vietnamese_Boat_People_in_the_Promised_Land.html

    A more recent Article suggests out of the 300, 370 or so Vietnamese refugees to Israel only about 100 to 200 of them and their descendants live in Israel today. About 2 million Americans are of Vietnamese descent today. Even Adjusting for the population difference between the countries that’s quite a difference in percentage of Vietnamese in favor of the USA. Funny how that works out, huh? It’s almost like to a rounding error there really weren’t that many Vietnamese in Israel.

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  35. @inertial
    Why would Syrian refugees want to come to a place that genocides Arabs?

    20% of Israeli citizens are Arab.

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    20% of Israeli citizens are Arab.

    That's only the number that have been granted a semblance of civil rights. There is another 30% of Gentiles living there who have been denied equal rights altogether.

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  36. What’s not mentioned in between all that is that Israel has the mirror image policy to Australia’s.

    Huh? Wait, so is Australia planning on making 20% of its citizens Arabs like Israel?

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    Huh? Wait, so is Australia planning on making 20% of its citizens Arabs like Israel?
     
    You sure suggesting that Israel "planned" on making 20% of its citizens Arabs won't make you look the fool?
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  37. Yes. And Israel also builds walls without apology.

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  38. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Australia should consider that history may judge it harshly for treating today’s Muslims as it did yesterday’s Jews.

    Note to any influential Australians who happen to be reading this: No one in America will judge you harshly for this. No one here judges you harshly for any refugees you may have not let in during The Big One either.

    Trust me on this one. We mostly judge you for things like AC/DC and Mad Max movies, so if you just keep doing stuff like that, you’ll always be A-OK in our book.

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    • Replies: @Clyde

    Trust me on this one. We mostly judge you for things like AC/DC and Mad Max movies, so if you just keep doing stuff like that, you’ll always be A-OK in our book.
     
    I checked out every youtube video of Dire Strait's "Tunnel of Love" and the Sydney, Australia 1986 one is over the top as far as the crowd and Dire Strait's performance. Playing off each other.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnTyr7ie9Pw
    , @Anonymous
    The truth is that most Americans don't even ever think about Australia. It's just not on most Americans' minds. If you ask them what they know about Australia, most of them reply with things like Mad Max, Crocodile Dundee, and Outback Steakhouse. Most Americans probably think Hugh Jackman and the assorted other Aussie actors in Hollywood are British.
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  39. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Not surprisingly the text string “Israel” doesn’t appear in this oped, even though Australia and Israel have rather similar refugee rules."

    I agree that we should be consistent. We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.

    Let the Jews have Hawaii. Palestine should belong to its original Arab inhabitants or be administered by the UN.

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    Let the Hawaiians have Hawaii and let the Jews figure out how to get along with their neighbours wherever they've ended up. Let them figure out how to get along with the rest of us on their own dime and their own time. In other words, let them figure out how to get along with us, rather than demand we get along with them, no matter how insulting and hostile they happen to be.
    , @Judah Benjamin Hur
    I'm all for Arab inhabitants having their own country. Let's call it...Arabia!
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  40. Australia –3 Million square miles
    Israel — 8 Thousand square miles

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    This is a fun game we're playing, but shouldn't you subtract the Negev and the Outback from both?
    , @Anon
    Australia –3 Million square miles
    Israel — 8 Thousand square miles


    The reach of Australian politics: 3 million square miles.

    The reach of Israeli politics: the entire world.

    So, if Zionist-led world policy creates mess in the Middle East, it is only right that Israel should bear much of the burden.
    , @anonymous
    Good point. Let's drop the refugees off in the middle of the outback. I'm sure they'll figure it out, just like the aborigines did thousands of years ago.
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  41. Clyde says:

    The Jewish State only allows in Jewish refugees.

    Incorrect. Small numbers of Christian Arabs have been allowed refuge in Israel but when uprooted by Jihad wars they prefer to travel further afield to Europe, Australia, USA and Canada. I am thinking that if I am a Christian Arab refugee w children I prefer not to live in a Jewish dominated country. I will prefer nations with large, pre-existing Christian Arab communities.
    btw every Christian Arab I have been acquainted with has been solid!

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  42. @Anonymous
    20% of Israeli citizens are Arab.

    20% of Israeli citizens are Arab.

    That’s only the number that have been granted a semblance of civil rights. There is another 30% of Gentiles living there who have been denied equal rights altogether.

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  43. @syonredux

    Before World War II, Australia resisted international pleas to grant refuge to more Jews. “As we have no real racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one by encouraging any scheme of large-scale foreign migration,” a government official said in 1938.
     
    Wise words.As Enoch Powell said, "The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils."

    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a “real racial problem” had Australia welcomed them? Was that what Enoch Powell had in mind 30 years later?

    David Frum’s response to people bringing up the ’30s in the context of today’s refugees seems a smarter tack than reaching for “rivers of blood” here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/refugees/419976/

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    David Frum should be making that point in a Jewish venue as part of a discussion amongst Jews. Is The Atlantic a Jewish magazine or isn't it? If it is, that's fine and if it still isn't, that's fine too. In fact, is the whole of the US, the Anglosphere or the West now bounded by eruv string and the rest of us are just shabbos goys? Is the end result of Jewish emancipation that the whole of the West becomes one giant Jewish ghetto? If that's the deal then let us know.
    , @ben tillman

    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a “real racial problem” had Australia welcomed them?
     
    Probably - think of the ISR (Frankfurt School), David Schwarz, et al. -- but it's immaterial. The Australians had no duty to take a chance.
    , @syonredux

    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a “real racial problem” had Australia welcomed them?
     
    Possibly. Jews are, after all, huge promoters of open borders and multiculturalism. So, increase their numbers.......

    And then there's the danger of precedent. Letting in refugees is habit-forming....
    , @anon
    In fact, the Australian Government did an about face a few months later, and let in 15,000 over the following 3 years.
    http://christiantoday.com.au/news/1938-evian-conference-still-haunts-australia.html
    , @dfordoom

    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a “real racial problem” had Australia welcomed them?
     
    The short answer is, yes. We have a very small Jewish minority but they've managed to do a great deal of harm (as an example they've pretty much managed to destroy freedom of speech). There's no question that a much larger Jewish community in Australia would have utterly destroyed the country the way they've destroyed the US.

    In the 1930s Australia still had governments that put the interests of Australians first.
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  44. Dr. X says:

    The Jewish State, despite being much more conveniently close to the source of Syrian refugees, indeed occupying the well-watered and relatively underpopulated Golan Heights, which are recognized by the UN as Syrian national territory, only allows in Jewish refugees.

    Well, that’s because Jewish refugees are the Chosen People of God, so they’re obviously superior to other refugees! Duh…

    /sarc

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  45. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Not surprisingly the text string “Israel” doesn’t appear in this oped, even though Australia and Israel have rather similar refugee rules."

    I agree that we should be consistent. We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.

    We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.

    The only quibble I can find with that is that there are around 14 million Jewish people in the world, and roughly 2.2 billion Christians.

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    You honestly don't see the obvious flaw in your example there ? In case you are being serious with this, I need to point out where Zambia is and who lives there, no SJW/ADL/NYT type would ever touch Zambia for being this. The only thing, and I repeat, the ONLY thing that could get Zambia in trouble is if it said something against Israel, anything else and it maintains an untouchable victim status.
    , @dfordoom

    The only quibble I can find with that is that there are around 14 million Jewish people in the world, and roughly 2.2 billion Christians.
     
    You're using anti-semitic math!
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  46. A. Odysseus Patrick.

    Is that a real name?

    Sounds like a character in a crap novel.

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    A. Odysseus Patrick.
    Is that a real name?

    It should be Odious Pet-trick.

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  47. @Opinionator
    Jews demand that African refugees in Isreal be sent to Australia instead

    http://m.jpost.com/#/app/article/227332

    “Jews demand” Sigh.

    One Israeli official asked Australia to take the Muslim refugees from Israel. Did they?

    Last time I checked, Australia got Obama to take in some Muslims. And now Trump has caved, “Mike Pence, the American vice president, confirmed on Saturday that his country would honour an agreement with Australia over resettling refugees that Donald Trump once described as “dumb”. ” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/22/us-will-honour-refugee-deal-australia-trump-called-dumb/

    No need to get worked up for your blood brothers, the Australians, they’re pretty good at finding a bigger sucker.

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    the Australians, they’re pretty good at finding a bigger sucker.

    The Camp Of The Saints even had that scene where the boat reached Australia, and they just told them "Nope. Sorry. Not enough Vegemite to go around, I'm afraid.".
    , @CrunchybutRealistCon
    Time & again, Jewish pressure on western nations for mass immigration seems to be supported by 3 arguments, but only two are usually wielded for the masses. The other one is only revealed in moments when they let their guard down-
    1) Western nations owe it to the higher God of Humanitarianism and the Demi-Gods of Diversity and Universal Altruism. (and if Julian Simon & Ben Wattenberg types want to chime in, they'll throw in the 'every sperm is sacred' garnish, i.e. infinite population growth will save save the planet because of all the Somalian rocket scientists)
    2) Western nations didn't take in enough pre-WW2 refugees, particularly Jews, in the 1930s, so it is a needed act of collective atonement to now dissolve themselves & have open borders.
    3) Western nations which are overly white & overly homogeneous are morally defective. Their homogeneity can lead them to become auto-fascists & overcome with genocidal mania because deep down, white Christians are filled with hate. However, if they become "diverse" their hatred can be held in check & fought by the minority population.
    , @Opinionator
    I must have missed the outcry by our jewish brethren--in Australia, the United States, or anywhere--calling for Israel to accept refugees.
    , @sb
    It's actually a swap

    The US will get UN approved Official Muslim refugees who Australia has stated will never get Australian residence as they tried to enter Australia without permission ( which is their policy ) and in return Australia will take Official Refugees from Central America ( an invisible group in Australia ) of which the US has more than enough

    I think in the US -although perhaps not on this site - there would be people who would say that it's much of a muchness

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  48. Clyde says:
    @anon
    Australia should consider that history may judge it harshly for treating today’s Muslims as it did yesterday’s Jews.

    Note to any influential Australians who happen to be reading this: No one in America will judge you harshly for this. No one here judges you harshly for any refugees you may have not let in during The Big One either.

    Trust me on this one. We mostly judge you for things like AC/DC and Mad Max movies, so if you just keep doing stuff like that, you'll always be A-OK in our book.

    Trust me on this one. We mostly judge you for things like AC/DC and Mad Max movies, so if you just keep doing stuff like that, you’ll always be A-OK in our book.

    I checked out every youtube video of Dire Strait’s “Tunnel of Love” and the Sydney, Australia 1986 one is over the top as far as the crowd and Dire Strait’s performance. Playing off each other.

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  49. Off-topic man-bites-dog article from Asia Times: Why legal Chinese immigrants support Trump

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  50. donut says:

    You know fellows the the past that we yearn to restore is as gone and dead as the dinosaurs . A massive comet of stupidity has slammed into the earth . Throw in your hand , we have lost the game . But human nature despite the unrelenting efforts of the communists will prevail . MANKIND’S desire to be free

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    will prevail .
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  51. @Opinionator
    Let the Jews have Hawaii. Palestine should belong to its original Arab inhabitants or be administered by the UN.

    Let the Hawaiians have Hawaii and let the Jews figure out how to get along with their neighbours wherever they’ve ended up. Let them figure out how to get along with the rest of us on their own dime and their own time. In other words, let them figure out how to get along with us, rather than demand we get along with them, no matter how insulting and hostile they happen to be.

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    From the standpoint of morality and justice, you may be right. However, from just a practical standpoint, it would probably cost less overall (imagine no Iraq war, no war in Afghanistan, Syria, no billions in annual tribute paid from our tax revenues to Israel-on-the-Eastern-Mediterranean) to just give it to them.
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  52. @Opinionator
    Let the Jews have Hawaii. Palestine should belong to its original Arab inhabitants or be administered by the UN.

    I’m all for Arab inhabitants having their own country. Let’s call it…Arabia!

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    Arabia is already taken. Let's stick to the original name, Palestine.
    , @Lot
    I will ignore the opinions of "Opinionator" and other anti-Semitic/Arabist trolls until they turn over title of their house to the nearest Indian tribe. Otherwise, just as Israel does, they enjoy and enforce property rights gained by conquest.
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  53. @anon
    Australia --3 Million square miles
    Israel -- 8 Thousand square miles

    This is a fun game we’re playing, but shouldn’t you subtract the Negev and the Outback from both?

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  54. @donut
    You know fellows the the past that we yearn to restore is as gone and dead as the dinosaurs . A massive comet of stupidity has slammed into the earth . Throw in your hand , we have lost the game . But human nature despite the unrelenting efforts of the communists will prevail . MANKIND'S desire to be free

    will prevail .

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  55. Clyde says:
    @Opinionator
    Jews demand that African refugees in Isreal be sent to Australia instead

    http://m.jpost.com/#/app/article/227332

    Jews demand that African refugees in Isreal be sent to Australia instead
    http://m.jpost.com/#/app/article/227332

    Such impressive information! And do tell us what actually happened. In the real world Australia has taken in a shiite load of Sudanese and Somalis all on their own. AngloSphere nations are infested by lunatics who cannot get enough of wayward Muslim Somalis.

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  56. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Jews demand" Sigh.

    One Israeli official asked Australia to take the Muslim refugees from Israel. Did they?

    Last time I checked, Australia got Obama to take in some Muslims. And now Trump has caved, "Mike Pence, the American vice president, confirmed on Saturday that his country would honour an agreement with Australia over resettling refugees that Donald Trump once described as "dumb". " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/22/us-will-honour-refugee-deal-australia-trump-called-dumb/

    No need to get worked up for your blood brothers, the Australians, they're pretty good at finding a bigger sucker.

    the Australians, they’re pretty good at finding a bigger sucker.

    The Camp Of The Saints even had that scene where the boat reached Australia, and they just told them “Nope. Sorry. Not enough Vegemite to go around, I’m afraid.”.

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  57. @Dave Pinsen
    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a "real racial problem" had Australia welcomed them? Was that what Enoch Powell had in mind 30 years later?

    David Frum's response to people bringing up the '30s in the context of today's refugees seems a smarter tack than reaching for "rivers of blood" here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/refugees/419976/

    David Frum should be making that point in a Jewish venue as part of a discussion amongst Jews. Is The Atlantic a Jewish magazine or isn’t it? If it is, that’s fine and if it still isn’t, that’s fine too. In fact, is the whole of the US, the Anglosphere or the West now bounded by eruv string and the rest of us are just shabbos goys? Is the end result of Jewish emancipation that the whole of the West becomes one giant Jewish ghetto? If that’s the deal then let us know.

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  58. Dumbo says:

    Unlike other countries, Australia explicitly favors Christians, even though they are a minority of those seeking refuge

    Unlike other countries, Israel explicitly favors Jews, even though they are a minority of those seeking refuge.

    Australia should consider that history may judge it harshly for treating today’s Christians as it did yesterday’s Jews

    Jews should consider that history may judge them harshly for treating today’s Christians as they did yesterday’s Christians.

    OT: Marine Le Pen: “France will be led by a woman, either me or Angela Merkel!”

    LOL. From the debate. It’s fully on Youtube, but the English dubbing is awful. Watch it in French.

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    The second quotation is obviously incorrect but it won't let me fix it anymore. Obviously the text referred to Muslims in that sentence
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  59. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Australia should consider that history may judge it harshly for treating today’s Muslims as it did yesterday’s Jews.

    Note to any influential Australians who happen to be reading this: No one in America will judge you harshly for this. No one here judges you harshly for any refugees you may have not let in during The Big One either.

    Trust me on this one. We mostly judge you for things like AC/DC and Mad Max movies, so if you just keep doing stuff like that, you'll always be A-OK in our book.

    The truth is that most Americans don’t even ever think about Australia. It’s just not on most Americans’ minds. If you ask them what they know about Australia, most of them reply with things like Mad Max, Crocodile Dundee, and Outback Steakhouse. Most Americans probably think Hugh Jackman and the assorted other Aussie actors in Hollywood are British.

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  61. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Australia --3 Million square miles
    Israel -- 8 Thousand square miles

    Australia –3 Million square miles
    Israel — 8 Thousand square miles

    The reach of Australian politics: 3 million square miles.

    The reach of Israeli politics: the entire world.

    So, if Zionist-led world policy creates mess in the Middle East, it is only right that Israel should bear much of the burden.

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    Zionist led world policy !!!!????
    Give me some of what you are smokin , homie !!!!!

    Zionists control world policy and only managed to carve out 8 thousand square miles of land and left 40 million square miles of land to the custody of Muslims . Makes total sense !!!!!
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  62. @celt darnell
    A. Odysseus Patrick.

    Is that a real name?

    Sounds like a character in a crap novel.

    A. Odysseus Patrick.
    Is that a real name?

    It should be Odious Pet-trick.

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  63. @anon
    Australia --3 Million square miles
    Israel -- 8 Thousand square miles

    Good point. Let’s drop the refugees off in the middle of the outback. I’m sure they’ll figure it out, just like the aborigines did thousands of years ago.

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  64. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Jews demand" Sigh.

    One Israeli official asked Australia to take the Muslim refugees from Israel. Did they?

    Last time I checked, Australia got Obama to take in some Muslims. And now Trump has caved, "Mike Pence, the American vice president, confirmed on Saturday that his country would honour an agreement with Australia over resettling refugees that Donald Trump once described as "dumb". " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/22/us-will-honour-refugee-deal-australia-trump-called-dumb/

    No need to get worked up for your blood brothers, the Australians, they're pretty good at finding a bigger sucker.

    Time & again, Jewish pressure on western nations for mass immigration seems to be supported by 3 arguments, but only two are usually wielded for the masses. The other one is only revealed in moments when they let their guard down-
    1) Western nations owe it to the higher God of Humanitarianism and the Demi-Gods of Diversity and Universal Altruism. (and if Julian Simon & Ben Wattenberg types want to chime in, they’ll throw in the ‘every sperm is sacred’ garnish, i.e. infinite population growth will save save the planet because of all the Somalian rocket scientists)
    2) Western nations didn’t take in enough pre-WW2 refugees, particularly Jews, in the 1930s, so it is a needed act of collective atonement to now dissolve themselves & have open borders.
    3) Western nations which are overly white & overly homogeneous are morally defective. Their homogeneity can lead them to become auto-fascists & overcome with genocidal mania because deep down, white Christians are filled with hate. However, if they become “diverse” their hatred can be held in check & fought by the minority population.

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  65. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Jews demand" Sigh.

    One Israeli official asked Australia to take the Muslim refugees from Israel. Did they?

    Last time I checked, Australia got Obama to take in some Muslims. And now Trump has caved, "Mike Pence, the American vice president, confirmed on Saturday that his country would honour an agreement with Australia over resettling refugees that Donald Trump once described as "dumb". " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/22/us-will-honour-refugee-deal-australia-trump-called-dumb/

    No need to get worked up for your blood brothers, the Australians, they're pretty good at finding a bigger sucker.

    I must have missed the outcry by our jewish brethren–in Australia, the United States, or anywhere–calling for Israel to accept refugees.

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  66. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    With tremendous pride, I'd like to inform you that there were at least eight Jewish convicts transported to Botany Bay in 1788!!

    Maybe I am reading your wrong, but I have seen others make similar comments trying to point out that Jews have a right to live in particular nations today because at some time in history Jews, or even a Jew, lived in that particular nation.

    Using that standard no nation on Earth, including Israel, could deny entry to any group today because surely some individual of a related racial, ethnic or religious group must have resided at some point in time in almost every nation, including Israel.

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    No, I'm just saying that I'm really deeply proud that Jewish convicts were some of real founding fathers and mothers of Australia. Some of the Johnny-come-latelies, like the Croats, Italians, Greeks, and so forth, they are fake Australians if you ask me!
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  67. @Dumbo

    Unlike other countries, Australia explicitly favors Christians, even though they are a minority of those seeking refuge
     
    Unlike other countries, Israel explicitly favors Jews, even though they are a minority of those seeking refuge.


    Australia should consider that history may judge it harshly for treating today’s Christians as it did yesterday’s Jews
     
    Jews should consider that history may judge them harshly for treating today’s Christians as they did yesterday’s Christians.

    OT: Marine Le Pen: "France will be led by a woman, either me or Angela Merkel!"

    LOL. From the debate. It's fully on Youtube, but the English dubbing is awful. Watch it in French.

    The second quotation is obviously incorrect but it won’t let me fix it anymore. Obviously the text referred to Muslims in that sentence

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  68. @Jeffersonian
    The Holocaust is turning rapidly into the Johnny Cochran's monkey from that episode of South Park...

    Don’t you mean the phonics monkey?

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  69. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Not surprisingly the text string “Israel” doesn’t appear in this oped, even though Australia and Israel have rather similar refugee rules."

    I agree that we should be consistent. We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.

    Zambia is an officially Christian republic and significantly larger than 8 thousand square miles.

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  70. Dumbo says:

    From the NYT comments…

    Daryl Vancouver, B.C. 1 hour ago
    Last year Canada accepted 300,000 immigrants including 40,000 refugees, many of which are non-Christian. The system is working beautifully and is accepted by the majority of Canadians who believe that regardless of religion, ethnicity and cultural background, diversity is our greatest strength. Newcomers recognize that you can be yourself here and won’t be asked to change. So Australia, send us your non-Christian refugees. We will welcome them with open arms and loving hearts.

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    That guy gets " cuck of the year " award by unanimous vote !!!!
    , @ben tillman

    From the NYT comments…

    Daryl Vancouver, B.C. 1 hour ago
    Last year Canada accepted 300,000 immigrants including 40,000 refugees, many of which are non-Christian. The system is working beautifully and is accepted by the majority of Canadians who believe that regardless of religion, ethnicity and cultural background, diversity is our greatest strength. Newcomers recognize that you can be yourself here and won’t be asked to change.
     

     
    No, only the natives will be asked, or forced, to change.
    , @anon
    So Australia, send us your non-Christian refugees. We will welcome them with open arms and loving hearts.

    It drives me crazy when Canadians say stuff like this. It happens all the time, too, at least online. You say something about how America really doesn't need 30 million illegals from Mexico, and some Canadian pipes in with "Fine! We'll take them then! And we'll be happy to have them!".

    And it's pretty easy for them to say, because they know we're never really going to ship all those people north. It's like telling your fourteen-year-old kid that if he wants to live in your house, he has to follow your rules, and having him come back with "Fine! I'll get a job and move out then!". Of course, he wouldn't be saying that if he thought there was any chance you'd actually let him do that.

    It's what's always bothered me about Canadians. They're like a whole country of backseat drivers. Present company excluded, of course.
    , @Alan Smithee
    Didn't Canada's policy on refugees screens out single straight male refugees? What are Canadians afraid of?
    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/22/canada-to-screen-out-single-men-under-refugee-plan-cbc.html

    "Canada to screen out single men under refugee plan: CBC Only women, children and families will be permitted to enter Canada, according to unnamed sources quoted by CBC."
     
    If we want to plan this game, here is my proposal for Trump administration, adopt the "Stripper Visa" that Canada used to have before 2012, for female refugees 18-30, the visa expire when the civil war ends, or they age out, which ever come first.
    , @anon
    Spoken like a true third world immigrant to Canada or child of, or maybe a cuckold white idiot.
    , @sb
    As an Australian I only wish you were speaking on behalf of the Canadian Government .
    Maybe we can do a swap of MENA Muslims and Christians
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  71. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Not surprisingly the text string “Israel” doesn’t appear in this oped, even though Australia and Israel have rather similar refugee rules."

    I agree that we should be consistent. We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.

    I have an even better idea. You expel your goyim from Eretz Y’Isroel and we expel our aliens from Europe and the Anglosphere. Deal?

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  72. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Australia –3 Million square miles
    Israel — 8 Thousand square miles


    The reach of Australian politics: 3 million square miles.

    The reach of Israeli politics: the entire world.

    So, if Zionist-led world policy creates mess in the Middle East, it is only right that Israel should bear much of the burden.

    Zionist led world policy !!!!????
    Give me some of what you are smokin , homie !!!!!

    Zionists control world policy and only managed to carve out 8 thousand square miles of land and left 40 million square miles of land to the custody of Muslims . Makes total sense !!!!!

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    Zionists control world policy and only managed to carve out 8 thousand square miles of land and left 40 million square miles of land to the custody of Muslims . Makes total sense !!!!!

    The territories of the United States, Canada, Australia, NZ, Europe, Israel, and significant parts of Latin America are quite a sight more than 8 thousand square miles.
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  73. @Dave Pinsen
    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a "real racial problem" had Australia welcomed them? Was that what Enoch Powell had in mind 30 years later?

    David Frum's response to people bringing up the '30s in the context of today's refugees seems a smarter tack than reaching for "rivers of blood" here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/refugees/419976/

    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a “real racial problem” had Australia welcomed them?

    Probably – think of the ISR (Frankfurt School), David Schwarz, et al. — but it’s immaterial. The Australians had no duty to take a chance.

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    I said nothing about duty.
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  74. @Dumbo
    From the NYT comments...

    Daryl Vancouver, B.C. 1 hour ago
    Last year Canada accepted 300,000 immigrants including 40,000 refugees, many of which are non-Christian. The system is working beautifully and is accepted by the majority of Canadians who believe that regardless of religion, ethnicity and cultural background, diversity is our greatest strength. Newcomers recognize that you can be yourself here and won't be asked to change. So Australia, send us your non-Christian refugees. We will welcome them with open arms and loving hearts.
     

    That guy gets ” cuck of the year ” award by unanimous vote !!!!

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  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    What is going on with Trump’s budget that apparently has no money for the wall? Did anyone even get to discuss this thing or protest it?

    From Ann Coulter:

    If this is the budget deal we get when Republicans control the House, the Senate and the presidency, there’s no point in ever voting for a Republican again.

    Not only is there no funding for a wall, but—thanks to the deft negotiating skills of House Speaker Paul Ryan—the bill actually prohibits money from being spent on a wall.

    At a CYA press conference on Tuesday, Trump’s ridiculously chipper budget director, Mick Mulvaney, described the bill’s prohibition on building a wall as a MAJOR win. (At least Mulvaney said it in English, unlike his all-Spanish 2014 townhall.)

    True, there will be no wall. But the Democrats graciously agreed to allow the administration to fix broken parts of any existing fences on up to 40 miles of our 3,000 mile border.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-on-the-budget-its-swamp-people-47-trump-0

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    They also slipped in a rider permitting the expansion of H2B work visas.
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  76. @Dumbo
    From the NYT comments...

    Daryl Vancouver, B.C. 1 hour ago
    Last year Canada accepted 300,000 immigrants including 40,000 refugees, many of which are non-Christian. The system is working beautifully and is accepted by the majority of Canadians who believe that regardless of religion, ethnicity and cultural background, diversity is our greatest strength. Newcomers recognize that you can be yourself here and won't be asked to change. So Australia, send us your non-Christian refugees. We will welcome them with open arms and loving hearts.
     

    From the NYT comments…

    Daryl Vancouver, B.C. 1 hour ago
    Last year Canada accepted 300,000 immigrants including 40,000 refugees, many of which are non-Christian. The system is working beautifully and is accepted by the majority of Canadians who believe that regardless of religion, ethnicity and cultural background, diversity is our greatest strength. Newcomers recognize that you can be yourself here and won’t be asked to change.

    No, only the natives will be asked, or forced, to change.

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  77. @Dave Pinsen
    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a "real racial problem" had Australia welcomed them? Was that what Enoch Powell had in mind 30 years later?

    David Frum's response to people bringing up the '30s in the context of today's refugees seems a smarter tack than reaching for "rivers of blood" here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/refugees/419976/

    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a “real racial problem” had Australia welcomed them?

    Possibly. Jews are, after all, huge promoters of open borders and multiculturalism. So, increase their numbers…….

    And then there’s the danger of precedent. Letting in refugees is habit-forming….

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    There is no statistical evidence that Jews are "huge promoters of open borders.' All you can do is play the anecdote game.

    One never knows, but A. ODYSSEUS PATRICK doesn't seem Jewish.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Was that an argument made against Jewish refugees anywhere in the 1930s, that Jews favor open borders and multiculturalism? That sounds anachronistic.
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  78. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    I'm all for Arab inhabitants having their own country. Let's call it...Arabia!

    Arabia is already taken. Let’s stick to the original name, Palestine.

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    Arabs could be satisfied with their original homeland, Arabia, which is much bigger.

    You can't possibly be unaware of the origins of the name "Palestine."
    , @anon
    Palestine was never the name of Arabia.
    Ottoman Palestine included Lebanon , Syria , Israel and Jordan. Mandatory Palestine included Israel and Jordan. Jordan currently occupies 78% of Mandatory Palestine......
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  79. @anon
    Zionist led world policy !!!!????
    Give me some of what you are smokin , homie !!!!!

    Zionists control world policy and only managed to carve out 8 thousand square miles of land and left 40 million square miles of land to the custody of Muslims . Makes total sense !!!!!

    Zionists control world policy and only managed to carve out 8 thousand square miles of land and left 40 million square miles of land to the custody of Muslims . Makes total sense !!!!!

    The territories of the United States, Canada, Australia, NZ, Europe, Israel, and significant parts of Latin America are quite a sight more than 8 thousand square miles.

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    The words of Prime Minister Billy Hughes in 1919:

    (The late Billy Hughes, Prime Minister of Australia said, "The Montefiores [who infiltrated the upper echelons of the church in England] have taken Australia for their own, and there is not a gold field or a sheep run from Tasmania to New South Wales that does not pay them a heavy tribute. They are the real owners of the antipodean continent. What is the good of our being a wealthy nation, if the wealth is all in the hands of German Jews?" (Saturday Evening Post, June 19, 1919).

    Hughes may have been attending the Paris Peace Conference at the time of these remarks.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Hughes

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  80. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Not surprisingly the text string “Israel” doesn’t appear in this oped, even though Australia and Israel have rather similar refugee rules."

    I agree that we should be consistent. We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.

    I agree that we should be consistent. We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.

    Are you an Anti-Semitic black flagger? If you are not, maybe you should not work so hard to excite ill will toward Jews.

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    Based on many posts I've read, the only thing it takes to "excite ill will toward Jews" is breathing. (takes a deep breath). The point I'm making above is there is only one tiny Jewish state. "Apples and oranges" would be quite an understatement.

    Your comment is kind of ironic since it's obvious that the only practical result of the endless Jew bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you.

    I have generally been inclined to be sympathetic to many alt.right goals. I think there is a lot of anti-White discrimination in America. Letting millions of Mexicans pour across the border and get citizenship is pure madness. More generally, I'm not comfortable with the Leftist social agenda. But reading all of the comments here and many other sites has made me more sympathetic towards the leftist Jews that I have traditionally ridiculed.
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  81. @Anonymous
    Maybe I am reading your wrong, but I have seen others make similar comments trying to point out that Jews have a right to live in particular nations today because at some time in history Jews, or even a Jew, lived in that particular nation.

    Using that standard no nation on Earth, including Israel, could deny entry to any group today because surely some individual of a related racial, ethnic or religious group must have resided at some point in time in almost every nation, including Israel.

    No, I’m just saying that I’m really deeply proud that Jewish convicts were some of real founding fathers and mothers of Australia. Some of the Johnny-come-latelies, like the Croats, Italians, Greeks, and so forth, they are fake Australians if you ask me!

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    No, I’m just saying that I’m really deeply proud that Jewish convicts were some of real founding fathers and mothers of Australia. Some of the Johnny-come-latelies, like the Croats, Italians, Greeks, and so forth, they are fake Australians if you ask me!
     
    But you're implying that Jews were founding fathers of Australia because they happened to be in Australia at a particular point in time. Just because someone from some group was in Australia at the time of its founding does not make them founding fathers. Many blacks were in the American colonies, but they are not considered founding fathers, unless of course your name is Glenn Beck.

    By your definition Arabs could claim to be founding fathers of Israel given their presence during the formation of that nation.
    , @Thea
    To be fair, animosity towards Israel and by extension Jews is really two pronged:
    1. American foreign policy should put American interests first but instead AIPAC has outsized influence.

    2. That we would also like an ethnostate or at least land wherein whites have legal protects that Jews enjoy in Israel. Yes, we are jealous.

    Now, some prominent American Jews complain about Israeli border enforcement. But, I've yet to hear one acknowledge that Israeli interests drive US policy to detriment of actual Americans.

    That would certainly improve the opinion of the alt-right toward American Jews. But I think we are a much smaller group than we realize and what we want may not matter.
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  82. @Opinionator
    Arabia is already taken. Let's stick to the original name, Palestine.

    Arabs could be satisfied with their original homeland, Arabia, which is much bigger.

    You can’t possibly be unaware of the origins of the name “Palestine.”

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    Good. If you can find some Philistines, maybe you can give the country to them?
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  83. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Not surprisingly the text string “Israel” doesn’t appear in this oped, even though Australia and Israel have rather similar refugee rules."

    I agree that we should be consistent. We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.

    23 Judah Benjamin Hur > We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country

    homelands aren’t “found”….. they are built. With military cemeteries.

    Lot of those here, in city and small town.

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  84. @syonredux

    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a “real racial problem” had Australia welcomed them?
     
    Possibly. Jews are, after all, huge promoters of open borders and multiculturalism. So, increase their numbers.......

    And then there's the danger of precedent. Letting in refugees is habit-forming....

    There is no statistical evidence that Jews are “huge promoters of open borders.’ All you can do is play the anecdote game.

    One never knows, but A. ODYSSEUS PATRICK doesn’t seem Jewish.

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    There is no statistical evidence that Jews are “huge promoters of open borders.’ All you can do is play the anecdote game.
     
    Your assertion is wrong. About 70% of american Jews consistently vote for the Democratic Party, which is - effectively - now a party of open borders. That seems pretty statistically significant to me. Even among those Jews who vote Republican, they probably lean toward favoring immigration. To say nothing of the deep pockets that support immigration: George Soros, David Gelbaum Mark Zuckerberg, to name three. There are many others. Can you name a jewish billionaire who is an immigration restrictionist, and who donates heavily to that cause? Of course, most billionaires are of a globablist bent, but most of the ones I'm aware of who have made liberal immigration "their issue" are not gentiles.
    , @anon
    But Jews ARE huge promoters of open borders! In the west, but not Israel.
    , @syonredux

    There is no statistical evidence that Jews are “huge promoters of open borders.’ All you can do is play the anecdote game.
     
    Normally, I don't invoke Kevin MacDonald, but you might want to read his stuff on Jews and US immigration policy. As a group (individual exceptions exist; my Jewish immigrant grandfather, for example, firmly believed that only Europeans should be allowed to immigrate to the USA), Jews tend to be strongly in favor of mass immigration/open borders.
    , @Mr. Anon

    One never knows, but A. ODYSSEUS PATRICK doesn’t seem Jewish.
     
    Neither do the names JOHN STEWART, MELVIN BROOKS, or HEYWOOD ALLEN.

    However JUDAH BEN HUR did look surprisingly anglo-saxon.
    , @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    "One never knows, but A. ODYSSEUS PATRICK doesn’t seem Jewish".
    True. I just checked Stormfront, my well worn copy of Mein Kampf, and http://www.jewornotjew.com/
    Definitely not jewish.
    , @Pericles

    doesn’t seem Jewish.

     

    Come to think of it, neither does ASHLEY MONTAGUE or MONTAGUE FRANCIS ASHLEY-MONTAGUE.
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  85. @Cagey Beast
    Let the Hawaiians have Hawaii and let the Jews figure out how to get along with their neighbours wherever they've ended up. Let them figure out how to get along with the rest of us on their own dime and their own time. In other words, let them figure out how to get along with us, rather than demand we get along with them, no matter how insulting and hostile they happen to be.

    From the standpoint of morality and justice, you may be right. However, from just a practical standpoint, it would probably cost less overall (imagine no Iraq war, no war in Afghanistan, Syria, no billions in annual tribute paid from our tax revenues to Israel-on-the-Eastern-Mediterranean) to just give it to them.

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    Wouldn't it cost even LESS to just withhold any aid from Israel and let them figgir' it out?
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  86. @Anonymous
    OT:

    What is going on with Trump's budget that apparently has no money for the wall? Did anyone even get to discuss this thing or protest it?

    From Ann Coulter:

    If this is the budget deal we get when Republicans control the House, the Senate and the presidency, there’s no point in ever voting for a Republican again.

    Not only is there no funding for a wall, but—thanks to the deft negotiating skills of House Speaker Paul Ryan—the bill actually prohibits money from being spent on a wall.

    At a CYA press conference on Tuesday, Trump’s ridiculously chipper budget director, Mick Mulvaney, described the bill’s prohibition on building a wall as a MAJOR win. (At least Mulvaney said it in English, unlike his all-Spanish 2014 townhall.)

    True, there will be no wall. But the Democrats graciously agreed to allow the administration to fix broken parts of any existing fences on up to 40 miles of our 3,000 mile border.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-on-the-budget-its-swamp-people-47-trump-0

    They also slipped in a rider permitting the expansion of H2B work visas.

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  87. @Ivy
    Author Odysseus notes that Oz is caught between Scyllaberg and Charybdisstein. What else is new?

    Ivy; so funny! Scylla & Charybdis walk into a bar…

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  88. @syonredux

    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a “real racial problem” had Australia welcomed them?
     
    Possibly. Jews are, after all, huge promoters of open borders and multiculturalism. So, increase their numbers.......

    And then there's the danger of precedent. Letting in refugees is habit-forming....

    Was that an argument made against Jewish refugees anywhere in the 1930s, that Jews favor open borders and multiculturalism? That sounds anachronistic.

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    Was that an argument made against Jewish refugees anywhere in the 1930s, that Jews favor open borders and multiculturalism? That sounds anachronistic.
     
    Oh, I'm not arguing in terms of what people knew/believed then; I'm simply noting what experience has taught us.
    , @dfordoom

    Was that an argument made against Jewish refugees anywhere in the 1930s, that Jews favor open borders and multiculturalism? That sounds anachronistic.
     
    In the 1930s there would have been a perfectly legitimate fear that many Jewish refugees would be Bolsheviks. And there would have been a perfectly legitimate fear that they would have worked to undermine and eventually destroy the host country.

    So although the words used would have been different the basic argument would have been the same, and would have been equally valid.
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  89. @Opinionator
    Arabia is already taken. Let's stick to the original name, Palestine.

    Palestine was never the name of Arabia.
    Ottoman Palestine included Lebanon , Syria , Israel and Jordan. Mandatory Palestine included Israel and Jordan. Jordan currently occupies 78% of Mandatory Palestine……

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  90. @ben tillman

    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a “real racial problem” had Australia welcomed them?
     
    Probably - think of the ISR (Frankfurt School), David Schwarz, et al. -- but it's immaterial. The Australians had no duty to take a chance.

    I said nothing about duty.

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  91. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo
    From the NYT comments...

    Daryl Vancouver, B.C. 1 hour ago
    Last year Canada accepted 300,000 immigrants including 40,000 refugees, many of which are non-Christian. The system is working beautifully and is accepted by the majority of Canadians who believe that regardless of religion, ethnicity and cultural background, diversity is our greatest strength. Newcomers recognize that you can be yourself here and won't be asked to change. So Australia, send us your non-Christian refugees. We will welcome them with open arms and loving hearts.
     

    So Australia, send us your non-Christian refugees. We will welcome them with open arms and loving hearts.

    It drives me crazy when Canadians say stuff like this. It happens all the time, too, at least online. You say something about how America really doesn’t need 30 million illegals from Mexico, and some Canadian pipes in with “Fine! We’ll take them then! And we’ll be happy to have them!”.

    And it’s pretty easy for them to say, because they know we’re never really going to ship all those people north. It’s like telling your fourteen-year-old kid that if he wants to live in your house, he has to follow your rules, and having him come back with “Fine! I’ll get a job and move out then!”. Of course, he wouldn’t be saying that if he thought there was any chance you’d actually let him do that.

    It’s what’s always bothered me about Canadians. They’re like a whole country of backseat drivers. Present company excluded, of course.

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  92. Get a load of the most favored comments. There is hope.

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    If a comment like the following can get approved at the NYT you may well be right.


    This article is absolutely infuriating and I hope the NYT made the editorial decision to shorten it in print to simply "Aren't I a great person for wanting more Muslims in Australia?" to save paper.

     
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  93. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I agree that we should be consistent. We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.
     
    Are you an Anti-Semitic black flagger? If you are not, maybe you should not work so hard to excite ill will toward Jews.

    Based on many posts I’ve read, the only thing it takes to “excite ill will toward Jews” is breathing. (takes a deep breath). The point I’m making above is there is only one tiny Jewish state. “Apples and oranges” would be quite an understatement.

    Your comment is kind of ironic since it’s obvious that the only practical result of the endless Jew bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you.

    I have generally been inclined to be sympathetic to many alt.right goals. I think there is a lot of anti-White discrimination in America. Letting millions of Mexicans pour across the border and get citizenship is pure madness. More generally, I’m not comfortable with the Leftist social agenda. But reading all of the comments here and many other sites has made me more sympathetic towards the leftist Jews that I have traditionally ridiculed.

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    To be fair, I think there's a pretty significant proportion of the alt-right that isn't hostile towards Israel so much as it is jealous of it.

    They get to have a wall, and they get to preserve their own heritage, but for some reason, we don't.

    And I'm sure you agree that the Bill Kristols of the world don't really help your cause much by being in favor of diversity in one place but not the other.
    , @Opinionator
    The point I’m making above is there is only one tiny Jewish state.

    Define "Jewish state."

    , @Hunsdon
    Judah Benjamin Hur said: Your comment is kind of ironic since it’s obvious that the only practical result of the endless Jew bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you.

    Hunsdon said: Turn? That's walking talking chutzpah right there.
    , @neutral

    bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you
     
    This wins the most ridiculous comment of the year award. It does not matter which country, England, Germany, USA, France, etc, they all have the same story, those that pushed for open borders, mass immigration, pro non white politics were always the same. Then somehow those that tried to resist this are the villains, when it was not them that started it.
    , @Gabriel M
    1) Stop reading lowbrow dolt right crap and read the complete works of moldbug. http://moldbuggery.blogspot.co.il/ (note the (((domain))) LOL)

    2) Come home. If the alt-right manage to grow up and get clue, then good for them. They will still probably fail, but at least we can watch admiringly. Either way, though, it's not your fight. For a comfortable aliyah you need to put aside $3,000 per member of the family. Then think about what you can do for a living once you have settled in. If not now when?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Your comment is kind of ironic since it’s obvious that the only practical result of the endless Jew bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you.
     
    Actually your statement is the ironic one. I have great regard and a large store of well-wishing for Jews and Israel.

    But my interactions with you and your brethren have reduced my former fond affection to neutrality. I still wish you well, but where I would have vigorously stood up for you in the past, your insistence on telling me that I am the problem means that I'll sit out the next round.

    You are on your own. Maybe that is how you want it.
    , @dfordoom

    I have generally been inclined to be sympathetic to many alt.right goals. I think there is a lot of anti-White discrimination in America. Letting millions of Mexicans pour across the border and get citizenship is pure madness. More generally, I’m not comfortable with the Leftist social agenda. But reading all of the comments here and many other sites has made me more sympathetic towards the leftist Jews that I have traditionally ridiculed.
     
    It's unfortunate but we humans do tend to judge people collectively rather than individually. Because sometimes we have to in order to survive. If you're facing an invading horde of Mongols or Huns or Visigoths then you can't afford to start saying, "But not all Visigoths are bad. Some are really nice people." Sometimes it's wise to make blanket judgments even if they're unfair.

    But I do understand your frustration. Some Visigoths really are nice people. If we weren't facing catastrophic mass immigration then we wouldn't need to make blanket judgments. It's easy to celebrate the fact that some Visigoths are nice people when Visigoths stay in their own country. It's also easier to celebrate Somali rocket scientists when they're living in Somalia and contributing to Somalia's indigenous space program.

    If you're a Jew opposed to the demographic replacement of whites in western countries then it's very unfortunate if you get caught in the crossfire.
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  95. @Luke Lea
    Get a load of the most favored comments. There is hope.

    If a comment like the following can get approved at the NYT you may well be right.


    This article is absolutely infuriating and I hope the NYT made the editorial decision to shorten it in print to simply “Aren’t I a great person for wanting more Muslims in Australia?” to save paper.

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  96. The Times imposing their morality as usual.

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  97. We don’t need the Christian ones either.

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  98. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Arabs could be satisfied with their original homeland, Arabia, which is much bigger.

    You can't possibly be unaware of the origins of the name "Palestine."

    Good. If you can find some Philistines, maybe you can give the country to them?

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  99. @Dumbo
    From the NYT comments...

    Daryl Vancouver, B.C. 1 hour ago
    Last year Canada accepted 300,000 immigrants including 40,000 refugees, many of which are non-Christian. The system is working beautifully and is accepted by the majority of Canadians who believe that regardless of religion, ethnicity and cultural background, diversity is our greatest strength. Newcomers recognize that you can be yourself here and won't be asked to change. So Australia, send us your non-Christian refugees. We will welcome them with open arms and loving hearts.
     

    Didn’t Canada’s policy on refugees screens out single straight male refugees? What are Canadians afraid of?

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/22/canada-to-screen-out-single-men-under-refugee-plan-cbc.html

    “Canada to screen out single men under refugee plan: CBC Only women, children and families will be permitted to enter Canada, according to unnamed sources quoted by CBC.”

    If we want to plan this game, here is my proposal for Trump administration, adopt the “Stripper Visa” that Canada used to have before 2012, for female refugees 18-30, the visa expire when the civil war ends, or they age out, which ever come first.

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    It's a good start, but it's not like Muslims don't have high rates of marriage. They're basically bringing in breeding pairs. That's the kind of policy a country looking for settlers would adopt.
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  100. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    I'm all for Arab inhabitants having their own country. Let's call it...Arabia!

    I will ignore the opinions of “Opinionator” and other anti-Semitic/Arabist trolls until they turn over title of their house to the nearest Indian tribe. Otherwise, just as Israel does, they enjoy and enforce property rights gained by conquest.

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    Otherwise, just as Israel does, they enjoy and enforce property rights gained by conquest.

    Israel denies full citizenship to residents of the territory it stole and to their descendants.
    , @anon
    Bit of an oranges and apples comparison there sport. Everything from length of time, spatiality, population density etc.,. Nor do I recall Israel giving my pioneer ancestors 3 billion bucks every year like Israel shakes down the dumb Americans for.

    BTW, the nearest Indian tribe is about 400 miles from my home. Moving into a nearly empty land 400 years ago and a filled one 60-70 years ago are very different things. Still I have no real problem with Israel. I just don't think Australia should have to be responsible for letting in Syrians.
    , @Hunsdon
    I can't be the only one that sees the irony.

    For so many years, so many decades, so many centuries, Jews worked to create a better, fairer, more just world. Tikkun olam! States must respect the rights of minorities within their borders. States should live amicably with their neighbors, borders should not be changed by military action.

    And then, when they got a state of their own to play with . . . man, aren't those rules inconvenient?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    until they turn over title of their house to the nearest Indian tribe.
     
    Which one? And how will you resolve the inter-tribal conflicts that result from such a program?

    If, e.g., you think that the Jews and the Arabs hate each other more than the Crow and Sioux (Nacotah, Dacotah, Lacotah) then you have never been in a room with both when their tribal allegiances are disclosed.
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  101. Some of your commenters might remember this so pass this post Negro .

    Schozznola .

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  102. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Based on many posts I've read, the only thing it takes to "excite ill will toward Jews" is breathing. (takes a deep breath). The point I'm making above is there is only one tiny Jewish state. "Apples and oranges" would be quite an understatement.

    Your comment is kind of ironic since it's obvious that the only practical result of the endless Jew bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you.

    I have generally been inclined to be sympathetic to many alt.right goals. I think there is a lot of anti-White discrimination in America. Letting millions of Mexicans pour across the border and get citizenship is pure madness. More generally, I'm not comfortable with the Leftist social agenda. But reading all of the comments here and many other sites has made me more sympathetic towards the leftist Jews that I have traditionally ridiculed.

    To be fair, I think there’s a pretty significant proportion of the alt-right that isn’t hostile towards Israel so much as it is jealous of it.

    They get to have a wall, and they get to preserve their own heritage, but for some reason, we don’t.

    And I’m sure you agree that the Bill Kristols of the world don’t really help your cause much by being in favor of diversity in one place but not the other.

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    To be fair, I think there’s a pretty significant proportion of the alt-right that isn’t hostile towards Israel so much as it is jealous of it.

    They get to have a wall, and they get to preserve their own heritage, but for some reason, we don’t.

    And I’m sure you agree that the Bill Kristols of the world don’t really help your cause much by being in favor of diversity in one place but not the other.

     

    And the average Israeli would gladly trade Jewish problems for Christian ones - (1) 2 billion strong - majorities on 4 continents (Europe, North America, South America, Oceania), (2) some of the best land on earth, (3) the lack of continuous low level attacks that have killed 0.4% of the Jewish population of Israel, beginning with Israel's War of Independence, the equivalent of 8m dead Christians out of a population of 2b. Envy of Israel by the alt-right is like a guy in bespoke clothing envying a hobo.
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  103. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    No, I'm just saying that I'm really deeply proud that Jewish convicts were some of real founding fathers and mothers of Australia. Some of the Johnny-come-latelies, like the Croats, Italians, Greeks, and so forth, they are fake Australians if you ask me!

    No, I’m just saying that I’m really deeply proud that Jewish convicts were some of real founding fathers and mothers of Australia. Some of the Johnny-come-latelies, like the Croats, Italians, Greeks, and so forth, they are fake Australians if you ask me!

    But you’re implying that Jews were founding fathers of Australia because they happened to be in Australia at a particular point in time. Just because someone from some group was in Australia at the time of its founding does not make them founding fathers. Many blacks were in the American colonies, but they are not considered founding fathers, unless of course your name is Glenn Beck.

    By your definition Arabs could claim to be founding fathers of Israel given their presence during the formation of that nation.

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  104. @Ed
    What happens if history judges you harshly? You're still dead no matter what.

    What happens if history judges you harshly? You’re still dead no matter what.

    Actually, being judged harshly is often the result of surviving (as a culture, that is).

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    Excellent point. Just alone from an evolutionary perspective, I would much rather be a part of a surviving culture that is "judged harshly" then one that is eradicated but "recalled fondly". What difference does it even make how you are "judged" if you are not even around to care? This whole "judged harshly by history" seems to be exclusively a western thing. Note how Japan pretty much couldn't care less about its actions in the 1930's & 40's, while the Germans anguish about it endlessly.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    Exactly. No one judges the Hittites harshly, or the Dorset people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorset_culture
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  105. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Preference is not prejudice. They are very different. So there is nothing “immoral” here at all. Note too how the article begins “like many western countries”. WESTERN! Note how no eastern country, or Oriental country, etc. has been expected to step up to the plate. Only the sucker nations of the west. Wonder why? The nonsense about Jews in the 30′s is of course a red herring. As for history “judging you harshly” seriously who cares? That and a quarter will buy you a cup of coffee. Better to preserve your country’s demographic balance and follow your best interests.

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  106. Lot says:

    The Jewish State, despite being much more conveniently close to the source of Syrian refugees, indeed occupying the well-watered and relatively underpopulated Golan Heights

    Who is this argument is directed toward convincing? You endlessly post about how Jews are supposedly such hypocrites with regard to Israeli policy, but does calling someone a hypocrite ever change his mind? Can you think of a single instance in the formation of your own beliefs? Is it an effective argument directed toward the Anglosphere’s philisemetic population and policy makers?

    How about instead, Israel shows that effective border control with immigration limited to people similar to the native population promotes the national interest, is better for the immigrants as well, and is compatible with liberal democracy and a progressive and egalitarian form of capitalism. Syrian Muslims have customs and beliefs, including polygamy and cousin marriage, that conflict with the values of most Australians. They should look instead to the more than 60 majority-Muslim nations in the world, many of which are wealthy and in need of foreign laborers.

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    Concern trolling.

    This pointing out of hypocricy gets a lot of reaction here. They really want you to stop doing it.
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  107. So because Australia was anti-semitic (or insufficiently philo-semitic), they need to now allow in more people who will……………make Australia even more anti-semitic.

    To summarize the article: Australia bad, because Holocaust.

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  108. @Ed
    What happens if history judges you harshly? You're still dead no matter what.

    Exactly. Lets say history judges you nicely. That and a quarter will buy you a cup of coffee. This whole “judged by history” thing has never troubled Arab, African, Oriental countries etc. Only white nations have this mental disorder.

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    It isn't a mental disorder. This gravitation toward real morality and fair play is an important causal factor in the success and appeal of our societies. We must find a way forward that comes within moral framework/argument. It cannot be discarded.
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  109. donut says:

    one day the last person that remembers you will die , there will come a time when your name will be remembered for the last time . Eternity will devour you . You will not even be remembered to be cursed or blessed . That is the Eagles gift . True freedom is beyond the average man .

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  110. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    There is no statistical evidence that Jews are "huge promoters of open borders.' All you can do is play the anecdote game.

    One never knows, but A. ODYSSEUS PATRICK doesn't seem Jewish.

    There is no statistical evidence that Jews are “huge promoters of open borders.’ All you can do is play the anecdote game.

    Your assertion is wrong. About 70% of american Jews consistently vote for the Democratic Party, which is – effectively – now a party of open borders. That seems pretty statistically significant to me. Even among those Jews who vote Republican, they probably lean toward favoring immigration. To say nothing of the deep pockets that support immigration: George Soros, David Gelbaum Mark Zuckerberg, to name three. There are many others. Can you name a jewish billionaire who is an immigration restrictionist, and who donates heavily to that cause? Of course, most billionaires are of a globablist bent, but most of the ones I’m aware of who have made liberal immigration “their issue” are not gentiles.

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    There are a lot of reasons why Jews vote Democrat, immigration is hardly a major reason.

    Elites tend to be open border and Jews are more likely than others to be in the elite. Yet the majority of Jews do not support open borders, as polling has shown.

    http://cis.org/ReligionAndImmigrationPoll
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  111. @Dumbo
    From the NYT comments...

    Daryl Vancouver, B.C. 1 hour ago
    Last year Canada accepted 300,000 immigrants including 40,000 refugees, many of which are non-Christian. The system is working beautifully and is accepted by the majority of Canadians who believe that regardless of religion, ethnicity and cultural background, diversity is our greatest strength. Newcomers recognize that you can be yourself here and won't be asked to change. So Australia, send us your non-Christian refugees. We will welcome them with open arms and loving hearts.
     

    Spoken like a true third world immigrant to Canada or child of, or maybe a cuckold white idiot.

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  112. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    There is no statistical evidence that Jews are "huge promoters of open borders.' All you can do is play the anecdote game.

    One never knows, but A. ODYSSEUS PATRICK doesn't seem Jewish.

    But Jews ARE huge promoters of open borders! In the west, but not Israel.

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  113. @anon
    Exactly. Lets say history judges you nicely. That and a quarter will buy you a cup of coffee. This whole "judged by history" thing has never troubled Arab, African, Oriental countries etc. Only white nations have this mental disorder.

    It isn’t a mental disorder. This gravitation toward real morality and fair play is an important causal factor in the success and appeal of our societies. We must find a way forward that comes within moral framework/argument. It cannot be discarded.

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    , @ben tillman

    It isn’t a mental disorder. This gravitation toward real morality and fair play is an important causal factor in the success and appeal of our societies.
     
    You are mistaken. What you call "morality and fair play" I presume to be universal morality. We do have a tendency to expnd our moral community. However, we are engaging in the opposite of universal morality. We are engaging in perfectly particularistic morality -- with a twist.

    Normally, particularistic morality is designed to benefit the moral community. In our case, however, the particularistic morality is intended to harm the moral community of whites.

    This is unquestionably a disorder.
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  114. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    There is no statistical evidence that Jews are "huge promoters of open borders.' All you can do is play the anecdote game.

    One never knows, but A. ODYSSEUS PATRICK doesn't seem Jewish.

    There is no statistical evidence that Jews are “huge promoters of open borders.’ All you can do is play the anecdote game.

    Normally, I don’t invoke Kevin MacDonald, but you might want to read his stuff on Jews and US immigration policy. As a group (individual exceptions exist; my Jewish immigrant grandfather, for example, firmly believed that only Europeans should be allowed to immigrate to the USA), Jews tend to be strongly in favor of mass immigration/open borders.

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  115. @Lot
    I will ignore the opinions of "Opinionator" and other anti-Semitic/Arabist trolls until they turn over title of their house to the nearest Indian tribe. Otherwise, just as Israel does, they enjoy and enforce property rights gained by conquest.

    Otherwise, just as Israel does, they enjoy and enforce property rights gained by conquest.

    Israel denies full citizenship to residents of the territory it stole and to their descendants.

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    Israel denies full citizenship to residents of the territory it stole and to their descendants.
     
    Arabs in Israel have full citizenship. By the way The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan is occupying 78% of Palestine . Hashemites are from Mecca Saudi Arabia. After they were deposed by the House of Saud in the 1920s , the British installed them in 78% of Mandatory Palestine as the new kingdom of Jordan. Talk about stolen land .. .......
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  116. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Based on many posts I've read, the only thing it takes to "excite ill will toward Jews" is breathing. (takes a deep breath). The point I'm making above is there is only one tiny Jewish state. "Apples and oranges" would be quite an understatement.

    Your comment is kind of ironic since it's obvious that the only practical result of the endless Jew bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you.

    I have generally been inclined to be sympathetic to many alt.right goals. I think there is a lot of anti-White discrimination in America. Letting millions of Mexicans pour across the border and get citizenship is pure madness. More generally, I'm not comfortable with the Leftist social agenda. But reading all of the comments here and many other sites has made me more sympathetic towards the leftist Jews that I have traditionally ridiculed.

    The point I’m making above is there is only one tiny Jewish state.

    Define “Jewish state.”

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  117. @Dave Pinsen
    Was that an argument made against Jewish refugees anywhere in the 1930s, that Jews favor open borders and multiculturalism? That sounds anachronistic.

    Was that an argument made against Jewish refugees anywhere in the 1930s, that Jews favor open borders and multiculturalism? That sounds anachronistic.

    Oh, I’m not arguing in terms of what people knew/believed then; I’m simply noting what experience has taught us.

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    Oh, I’m not arguing in terms of what people knew/believed then; I’m simply noting what experience has taught us.
     
    Your first comment praised Australia's decision to not welcome Jews fleeing Nazi Germany ("Wise words") quoting Enoch Powell speaking about Commonwealth immigration 30 years later. Now you claim that "experience has taught us" that Australia (and other countries, presumably) were smart in not welcoming Jewish refugees in the 1930s, because many Jews favor open borders today. But much of the open borders/"refugees welcome" advocacy (and not just by Jews), including the article Steve quotes here, invokes the 1930s history (the Évian Conference still isn't generally considered a moral highpoint).

    So one could argue that experience has taught us that if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.
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  118. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    I will ignore the opinions of "Opinionator" and other anti-Semitic/Arabist trolls until they turn over title of their house to the nearest Indian tribe. Otherwise, just as Israel does, they enjoy and enforce property rights gained by conquest.

    Bit of an oranges and apples comparison there sport. Everything from length of time, spatiality, population density etc.,. Nor do I recall Israel giving my pioneer ancestors 3 billion bucks every year like Israel shakes down the dumb Americans for.

    BTW, the nearest Indian tribe is about 400 miles from my home. Moving into a nearly empty land 400 years ago and a filled one 60-70 years ago are very different things. Still I have no real problem with Israel. I just don’t think Australia should have to be responsible for letting in Syrians.

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    Moving into a nearly empty land 400 years ago and a filled one 60-70 years ago are very different things.
     
    It is far worse even than that, anon. The conquest and colonization is actually ongoing TODAY, in the West Bank. That is by far the most inflammatory feature of the Zionist undertaking right now.

    And we help finance it, provide cover for it--and as a result innocent people take its flak. See, for example, 9/11.

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  119. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    There is no statistical evidence that Jews are "huge promoters of open borders.' All you can do is play the anecdote game.

    One never knows, but A. ODYSSEUS PATRICK doesn't seem Jewish.

    One never knows, but A. ODYSSEUS PATRICK doesn’t seem Jewish.

    Neither do the names JOHN STEWART, MELVIN BROOKS, or HEYWOOD ALLEN.

    However JUDAH BEN HUR did look surprisingly anglo-saxon.

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  120. From the New York Times oped page:

    Last I looked, the NYT was owned by the other kind of Semite.

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  121. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    What happens if history judges you harshly? You’re still dead no matter what.
     
    Actually, being judged harshly is often the result of surviving (as a culture, that is).

    Excellent point. Just alone from an evolutionary perspective, I would much rather be a part of a surviving culture that is “judged harshly” then one that is eradicated but “recalled fondly”. What difference does it even make how you are “judged” if you are not even around to care? This whole “judged harshly by history” seems to be exclusively a western thing. Note how Japan pretty much couldn’t care less about its actions in the 1930′s & 40′s, while the Germans anguish about it endlessly.

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    Note how Japan pretty much couldn’t care less about its actions in the 1930′s & 40′s, while the Germans anguish about it endlessly.
     
    "Couldn't care less" is an overstatement. There's Japan's current pacifism, and the recurring issue of the Yasukuni shrine, though how much of that is driven by internal anguish and how much by foreign policy concerns, I don't know.

    Also, Hiroshima and Nagasaki alter the dynamic a bit in Japan.

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  122. Hey Stevie through the fire :

    Chaka , Chaka Chaka Khan , a fine chubby .

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  123. @Lot

    The Jewish State, despite being much more conveniently close to the source of Syrian refugees, indeed occupying the well-watered and relatively underpopulated Golan Heights
     
    Who is this argument is directed toward convincing? You endlessly post about how Jews are supposedly such hypocrites with regard to Israeli policy, but does calling someone a hypocrite ever change his mind? Can you think of a single instance in the formation of your own beliefs? Is it an effective argument directed toward the Anglosphere's philisemetic population and policy makers?

    How about instead, Israel shows that effective border control with immigration limited to people similar to the native population promotes the national interest, is better for the immigrants as well, and is compatible with liberal democracy and a progressive and egalitarian form of capitalism. Syrian Muslims have customs and beliefs, including polygamy and cousin marriage, that conflict with the values of most Australians. They should look instead to the more than 60 majority-Muslim nations in the world, many of which are wealthy and in need of foreign laborers.

    Concern trolling.

    This pointing out of hypocricy gets a lot of reaction here. They really want you to stop doing it.

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    This pointing out of hypocricy gets a lot of reaction here.
     
    To what end?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Concern trolling.
     
    Projection.
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  124. @syonredux

    Was that an argument made against Jewish refugees anywhere in the 1930s, that Jews favor open borders and multiculturalism? That sounds anachronistic.
     
    Oh, I'm not arguing in terms of what people knew/believed then; I'm simply noting what experience has taught us.

    Oh, I’m not arguing in terms of what people knew/believed then; I’m simply noting what experience has taught us.

    Your first comment praised Australia’s decision to not welcome Jews fleeing Nazi Germany (“Wise words”) quoting Enoch Powell speaking about Commonwealth immigration 30 years later. Now you claim that “experience has taught us” that Australia (and other countries, presumably) were smart in not welcoming Jewish refugees in the 1930s, because many Jews favor open borders today. But much of the open borders/”refugees welcome” advocacy (and not just by Jews), including the article Steve quotes here, invokes the 1930s history (the Évian Conference still isn’t generally considered a moral highpoint).

    So one could argue that experience has taught us that if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.

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    So one could argue that experience has taught us that if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.

    Bollocks on stilts. They would still have all that Ellis Island schmaltz to motivate them. There are lots of other ethnic and racial minorities who don't have the Holocaust to drive their ideology but still favor open borders.

    The truth is that if you see yourself as a minority you probably won't feel you have any reason to support a policy that keeps the racial majority in the majority.

    The irony is that Jews aren't really a minority. They are part of this country's European racial majority, and it is nothing more than fanaticism that underlies their support for mass immigration. Jews have also managed to maintain their communities in spite of the massive inflow of immigration, which is something other whites have not been able to do.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Dave Pinsen:

    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a “real racial problem” had Australia welcomed them?
     
    syonredux:

    Possibly. Jews are, after all, huge promoters of open borders and multiculturalism.
     
    Dave Pinsen:

    Was that an argument made against Jewish refugees anywhere in the 1930s, that Jews favor open borders and multiculturalism? That sounds anachronistic.
     
    First—how pro-open borders and pro-multicultural was the Gentile zeitgeist? I’d say, not very. “Woke” Gentiles of the 1930s likely thought of Jews in general to be at least dangerously inscrutable, and therefore a possible future liability. Bolstering this, notable Jews themselves had already made arguments in favor of open borders and multiculturalism…

    Works like “The New Colossus” and The Melting Pot, not to mention a perception of widespread “Jewish Bolshevik” agitation would reasonably make a Gentile nation think twice about giving mass refuge. Particularly if the shot-callers are nativist in sentiment. (Though of course, it’s smart to take in the few recognized Einsteins of the world.)

    In short, Powell’s “preventable evils” could be expressed as today’s Rumsfeldian “known knowns,” and “known unknowns.” I don’t know what Powell’s thoughts on Jewish refugees were, but his phrase (timeless in sentiment, really) is applicable to syonredux’s example. That the Australian government didn’t (to my knowledge, anyway) state the preceding with such specificity is moot: It would have been considered common sense.
    , @Jaakko Raipala
    So let's look at Sweden that managed to stay out of the World Wars and remained safe haven that accepted ALL the Jews from the neighboring countries that managed to make it there.

    It took almost no time at all for the "thankful" Jewish refugees to flood Swedish media, academia and politics with not only masss immigration advocacy but endless Holocaust guilt tripping and demands to dismantle Swedish tradition, history and identity in favor of the radical leftist agenda.

    It may be true that not all Jews are involved in such advocacy but it's also true that no Jew ever came out and even just expressed disapproval towards their co-ethnics who immediately adopted a deeply hostile stance towards the people that had granted them sanctuary.
    , @Michaeloh

    So one could argue that experience has taught us that if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.
     
    One could argue, but not persuasively. How is Jewish resentment over 1930s Jewish refugees make the long, tortured moral journey to nation changing mass immigration & open borders? I don't doubt that such a narrative can be created, only that occams razor would suggest that Jewish enthusiasm for open borders in white Gentile nations is motivated by hostility to white Gentile sovereignty. In fact it seems to me that the OB advocates often now betray such motivations openly: Diversity is our strength, we are a nation of immigrants, our immigrants make us better. The flip side of those statements is pretty naked hostility to people who look like me. But forget about the flip side, the direct argument is frequently made today: Susan Rice, admittedly not Jewish argued that there are too many whites in the national security business. I suspect many Jews who make the 1930s refugee argument also make the white privilege argument. We often see the voices of the Establishment celebrating the coming end of the white majority. IOW does it make more sense that all of this hatred of white Gentiles is a direct result of the resentment over the denial of Jewish refugees, or the other way around?
    , @Romanian
    I am not very familiar with the topic of refugees in the first half of the 20th century (and I stay clear of certain other subjects). However, in this speech, which was published here on the site, it also says that interests associated with settling Israel purposefully hindered resettlement in the West of Jewish refugees. I do not know whether it is a big effect or a small effect, but it is certainly an interesting observation.

    http://www.unz.com/article/terrorism-how-the-israeli-state-was-won/

    But the most deadly single terror attack was the Jewish Agency’s bombing of the immigrant ship Patria in 1940, killing an estimated 267 people, of whom more than 200 were Jews fleeing the Nazis.

    The Jewish Agency bombed the Patria because it was bringing the DPs to Mauritius, where the British had facilities for them. The Agency needed the DPs to be settlers in Palestine without delay, and was willing to risk the lives of all aboard in order to get the survivors to remain—which, indeed, they did.

    In further violence against its Jewish victims, the Agency framed the dead for the bombing. It spread the lie that the DPs themselves blew up the vessel, that they committed mass suicide rather than not go directly to Palestine, posthumously conscripting the dead to serve the Zionist myth.
    .....
    Another major tactic of violence against Jews by the Jewish Agency and American Zionist leadership was the sabotaging of safe haven in order to force them to Palestine. As but one example, in 1944 US Zionist leaders sabotaged President Roosevelt’s provisional success in establishing a half million new homes for European DPs, most of these homes in the United States and Britain. When Roosevelt’s aide Morris Ernst visited the Zionist leaders in an attempt to save the program, he was, in his words, “thrown out of parlours and accused of treason”— ‘treason’, because he was Jewish, and the Zionists owned Jews.

    Nor were those already settled safe. In 1946, the Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of Palestine, Yitzhak Herzog, conducted a massive kidnapping operation of Jewish orphans that had been adopted by European families when their parents perished years earlier. Removing ten thousand children from their homes was the number he cited to the NY Times as his goal. In the National Archives, I found a copy of his own record of the trip.

    Herzog railed against the fierce resistance he met in every country by horrified local Jewish leaders who tried to protect the children. But Herzog used his political clout to circumvent them. In France, for example, facing the steadfast refusal of the Jewish leaders to betray the children, Herzog

    met the Prime Minister of France from whom I demanded promulgation of a law which would oblige every family to declare the particulars of the children it houses,
     
    so that those of Jewish background could be exposed and put back in orphanages until they can be shipped to Palestine—quite a Kafkaesque twist on Passover for these children who had just been spared the Nazis.

    Herzog’s justification for the kidnappings was that for a Jew to be raised in a non-Jewish home is “much worse than physical murder”. Yet even this ghastly justification fails to explain what was actually taking place, because at the same time Herzog was ‘rescuing’ Jewish orphans from this fate “much worse than physical murder”, his Jewish Agency colleagues were sabotaging Jewish adoptive homes in England for young survivors still in the camps. The real reason for all of it, of course, was that the children were needed to serve the settler project as demographic fodder.

    To that end, the Jewish Agency had coerced President Truman to segregate Jewish DPs into Zionist indoctrination camps, despite objections that it echoed Nazi behaviour. For these people who had just survived the unthinkable, then severed from the rest of humanity into these brainwashing camps, there was no such thing as free thought.

     

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  125. @Mr. Anon

    There is no statistical evidence that Jews are “huge promoters of open borders.’ All you can do is play the anecdote game.
     
    Your assertion is wrong. About 70% of american Jews consistently vote for the Democratic Party, which is - effectively - now a party of open borders. That seems pretty statistically significant to me. Even among those Jews who vote Republican, they probably lean toward favoring immigration. To say nothing of the deep pockets that support immigration: George Soros, David Gelbaum Mark Zuckerberg, to name three. There are many others. Can you name a jewish billionaire who is an immigration restrictionist, and who donates heavily to that cause? Of course, most billionaires are of a globablist bent, but most of the ones I'm aware of who have made liberal immigration "their issue" are not gentiles.

    There are a lot of reasons why Jews vote Democrat, immigration is hardly a major reason.

    Elites tend to be open border and Jews are more likely than others to be in the elite. Yet the majority of Jews do not support open borders, as polling has shown.

    http://cis.org/ReligionAndImmigrationPoll

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    There are a lot of reasons why Jews vote Democrat, immigration is hardly a major reason.
     
    It seems to be a major reason in many public pronouncements made by prominent Jews. And what are those other reasons, exactly? They don't do my people a power of good either.

    Elites tend to be open border and Jews are more likely than others to be in the elite. Yet the majority of Jews do not support open borders, as polling has shown.
     
    You are being disingenuos. A majority probably does support the currently large levels of legal immigration. Anyway, it doesn't take "a majority" of a population to support something to make it the case that that population differentially supports it, and does so on a large scale. Most blacks don't commit violent crime, and yet it is true that blacks, as a group, have a propensity to commit violent crime - much greater than do other groups. And that matters. It has consequences. The same applies to Jews and immigration, your (false) special pleading aside.

    You may as well retire your fallacious squid-ink arguments. People have noticed. They aren't going to un-notice.
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  126. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.”

    There were considerable Jews in the US in the 1930s. Weren’t there Jews in high-places in the government by then? How active were Jews in the West in assisting Jewish refugees? I assume they were quite active in Britain? But I don’t know.

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  127. Read the comments on the NYT article. Probably every single one of the 50 highest rated comments defended Australia’s actions. The balance of opinion is shifting rapidly to our side and the open borders nuts are now on the defensive.

    I have a German immigrant coworker. When Trump’s campaign started he was pretty vocal in his opposition, but up until a month or two before the election I would’ve danced around the topic a little bit (though not entirely), and definitely would not have felt that I can count on the support of any of my coworkers when the issue of immigration came up. Little by little many of our other colleagues have expressed opinions on the issue to the point where none of us is remotely worried about expressing our minds. It is now the open borders nuts in the office who are on the defensive.

    My German colleague, of course, is one of those immigrants who thinks his status as an immigrant gives him the right to filibuster any native born American who expresses support for limits on immigration. Not long ago I cut him short by telling him that if I had moved to another country the last thing I would do is demand that they tear the door off its hinges to let in an unlimited number of my fellow countrymen. That shut him up rather quickly.

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    Not long ago I cut him short by telling him that if I had moved to another country the last thing I would do is demand that they tear the door off its hinges to let in an unlimited number of my fellow countrymen.

    Great observation. Indeed, it is difficult to imagine going to another country and doing so, unless one bore a degree of ill will toward the native people. Or at best a reckless disregard of their well being.
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  128. @Dave Pinsen

    Oh, I’m not arguing in terms of what people knew/believed then; I’m simply noting what experience has taught us.
     
    Your first comment praised Australia's decision to not welcome Jews fleeing Nazi Germany ("Wise words") quoting Enoch Powell speaking about Commonwealth immigration 30 years later. Now you claim that "experience has taught us" that Australia (and other countries, presumably) were smart in not welcoming Jewish refugees in the 1930s, because many Jews favor open borders today. But much of the open borders/"refugees welcome" advocacy (and not just by Jews), including the article Steve quotes here, invokes the 1930s history (the Évian Conference still isn't generally considered a moral highpoint).

    So one could argue that experience has taught us that if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.

    So one could argue that experience has taught us that if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.

    Bollocks on stilts. They would still have all that Ellis Island schmaltz to motivate them. There are lots of other ethnic and racial minorities who don’t have the Holocaust to drive their ideology but still favor open borders.

    The truth is that if you see yourself as a minority you probably won’t feel you have any reason to support a policy that keeps the racial majority in the majority.

    The irony is that Jews aren’t really a minority. They are part of this country’s European racial majority, and it is nothing more than fanaticism that underlies their support for mass immigration. Jews have also managed to maintain their communities in spite of the massive inflow of immigration, which is something other whites have not been able to do.

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    The truth is that if you see yourself as a minority you probably won’t feel you have any reason to support a policy that keeps the racial majority in the majority.
     
    An obvious reason would be to keep what made the country attractive to your immigrant ancestors. Granted, there's something of a collective action problem if there are enough of you. Lots of individual Chinese want to go to Canada, but if Canada were 90% Chinese, they probably wouldn't want to go anymore.

    Jews have also managed to maintain their communities in spite of the massive inflow of immigration, which is something other whites have not been able to do.
     
    They have similar challenges as other whites in that. The ones with enough money can afford to congregate in neighborhoods they like; others have to make accommodations.
    , @Ann Onymous

    The irony is that Jews aren’t really a minority. They are part of this country’s European racial majority
     
    Tell it to the alt-right.

    Jews have also managed to maintain their communities
     
    Jews in the U.S. are outmarrying faster than a sugar cube dissolves in tea.
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  129. “Australia’s Immoral Preference for Christian Refugees”

    Which brings to mind LaRaza’s profoundly moral preference for Hispanic immigration.

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  130. @Wilkey
    Read the comments on the NYT article. Probably every single one of the 50 highest rated comments defended Australia's actions. The balance of opinion is shifting rapidly to our side and the open borders nuts are now on the defensive.

    I have a German immigrant coworker. When Trump's campaign started he was pretty vocal in his opposition, but up until a month or two before the election I would've danced around the topic a little bit (though not entirely), and definitely would not have felt that I can count on the support of any of my coworkers when the issue of immigration came up. Little by little many of our other colleagues have expressed opinions on the issue to the point where none of us is remotely worried about expressing our minds. It is now the open borders nuts in the office who are on the defensive.

    My German colleague, of course, is one of those immigrants who thinks his status as an immigrant gives him the right to filibuster any native born American who expresses support for limits on immigration. Not long ago I cut him short by telling him that if I had moved to another country the last thing I would do is demand that they tear the door off its hinges to let in an unlimited number of my fellow countrymen. That shut him up rather quickly.

    Not long ago I cut him short by telling him that if I had moved to another country the last thing I would do is demand that they tear the door off its hinges to let in an unlimited number of my fellow countrymen.

    Great observation. Indeed, it is difficult to imagine going to another country and doing so, unless one bore a degree of ill will toward the native people. Or at best a reckless disregard of their well being.

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  131. The entirety of the Muslim world seems rather laid-back in offering their distressed brothers sanctuary.

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  132. @anon
    Bit of an oranges and apples comparison there sport. Everything from length of time, spatiality, population density etc.,. Nor do I recall Israel giving my pioneer ancestors 3 billion bucks every year like Israel shakes down the dumb Americans for.

    BTW, the nearest Indian tribe is about 400 miles from my home. Moving into a nearly empty land 400 years ago and a filled one 60-70 years ago are very different things. Still I have no real problem with Israel. I just don't think Australia should have to be responsible for letting in Syrians.

    Moving into a nearly empty land 400 years ago and a filled one 60-70 years ago are very different things.

    It is far worse even than that, anon. The conquest and colonization is actually ongoing TODAY, in the West Bank. That is by far the most inflammatory feature of the Zionist undertaking right now.

    And we help finance it, provide cover for it–and as a result innocent people take its flak. See, for example, 9/11.

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    The Hashemite undertaking is 3 times more inflammatory considering they are occupying 3 times more sacred palestinian land than Israel is .......
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  133. @anon
    Excellent point. Just alone from an evolutionary perspective, I would much rather be a part of a surviving culture that is "judged harshly" then one that is eradicated but "recalled fondly". What difference does it even make how you are "judged" if you are not even around to care? This whole "judged harshly by history" seems to be exclusively a western thing. Note how Japan pretty much couldn't care less about its actions in the 1930's & 40's, while the Germans anguish about it endlessly.

    Note how Japan pretty much couldn’t care less about its actions in the 1930′s & 40′s, while the Germans anguish about it endlessly.

    “Couldn’t care less” is an overstatement. There’s Japan’s current pacifism, and the recurring issue of the Yasukuni shrine, though how much of that is driven by internal anguish and how much by foreign policy concerns, I don’t know.

    Also, Hiroshima and Nagasaki alter the dynamic a bit in Japan.

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  134. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Opinionator
    Otherwise, just as Israel does, they enjoy and enforce property rights gained by conquest.

    Israel denies full citizenship to residents of the territory it stole and to their descendants.

    Israel denies full citizenship to residents of the territory it stole and to their descendants.

    Arabs in Israel have full citizenship. By the way The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan is occupying 78% of Palestine . Hashemites are from Mecca Saudi Arabia. After they were deposed by the House of Saud in the 1920s , the British installed them in 78% of Mandatory Palestine as the new kingdom of Jordan. Talk about stolen land .. …….

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    Arabs in Israel have full citizenship.

    Only a minority of the Gentile population in Israel has voting rights. A majority, particularly those in Judea, Samaria, are denied voting rights on account of their race and religion. This in contrast to the preferential treatment give to jews there.
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  135. @Wilkey
    So one could argue that experience has taught us that if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.

    Bollocks on stilts. They would still have all that Ellis Island schmaltz to motivate them. There are lots of other ethnic and racial minorities who don't have the Holocaust to drive their ideology but still favor open borders.

    The truth is that if you see yourself as a minority you probably won't feel you have any reason to support a policy that keeps the racial majority in the majority.

    The irony is that Jews aren't really a minority. They are part of this country's European racial majority, and it is nothing more than fanaticism that underlies their support for mass immigration. Jews have also managed to maintain their communities in spite of the massive inflow of immigration, which is something other whites have not been able to do.

    The truth is that if you see yourself as a minority you probably won’t feel you have any reason to support a policy that keeps the racial majority in the majority.

    An obvious reason would be to keep what made the country attractive to your immigrant ancestors. Granted, there’s something of a collective action problem if there are enough of you. Lots of individual Chinese want to go to Canada, but if Canada were 90% Chinese, they probably wouldn’t want to go anymore.

    Jews have also managed to maintain their communities in spite of the massive inflow of immigration, which is something other whites have not been able to do.

    They have similar challenges as other whites in that. The ones with enough money can afford to congregate in neighborhoods they like; others have to make accommodations.

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    An obvious reason would be to keep what made the country attractive to your immigrant ancestors. Granted, there’s something of a collective action problem if there are enough of you. Lots of individual Chinese want to go to Canada, but if Canada were 90% Chinese, they probably wouldn’t want to go anymore.

    True, but no Chinaman (etc.) wants to admit that it was his own people/culture that made his native land so undesirable. Absolutely no one wants to admit this about their own people, least of all the people (e.g., Africans) for whom it is most emphatically true.

    They have similar challenges as other whites in that. The ones with enough money can afford to congregate in neighborhoods they like; others have to make accommodations.

    I was referring to the fact that Jews don't seem to have too much difficulty holding together a Jewish neighborhood if they want to. I've lived in a few cities that had Jewish quarters where most of the Jews seemed to settle.
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  136. @Opinionator

    Moving into a nearly empty land 400 years ago and a filled one 60-70 years ago are very different things.
     
    It is far worse even than that, anon. The conquest and colonization is actually ongoing TODAY, in the West Bank. That is by far the most inflammatory feature of the Zionist undertaking right now.

    And we help finance it, provide cover for it--and as a result innocent people take its flak. See, for example, 9/11.

    The Hashemite undertaking is 3 times more inflammatory considering they are occupying 3 times more sacred palestinian land than Israel is …….

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    I notice you didn't address the innocent people harmed by the Zionist undertaking.

    Probably best that the jews just stop colonizing the West Bank, no?

    Or that they grant Gentiles the same rights the jews demand for themselves in the United States and Europe.

    Deal?

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  137. @Anon
    If Australia didn't cause the problems in the Middle East, why should it be responsible?

    US, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Turkey are most responsible for the mess.

    Now, Turkey has taken in refugees. And US took some in too. Israel and Saudis refuse to take any but keep messing things up. And US backs them.

    Australia had NOTHING to do with the mayhem in the Middle East. So, why are Australians responsible? Why are they even taking Christian 'refugees'?

    If Australia really wants to be morally responsible, why not publicly condemn the neo-imperialist Zionist-controlled US foreign policy that has led to WWIII-like conditions in the Middle East? Why not call for a international coalition to oppose, block and resist the new imperialism emanating from Washington and its lackey states in the Middle East and EU?

    And this invocation of Jews and Holocaust is getting dreary. Just as it's tiresome to see another national leader smeared as 'new hitler', it's tiresome to see another bunch of suffering folks sanctified as 'new jews'. How many 'new hitlers' and 'new jews' are there?
    Yes, during WWII, the world could have done more to save Jews. But today(with great irony), it is globalist Jews who are acting most Nazi-like in fomenting wars and terror all over. Times have changed. If any power is the 'new hitler', it is Zionist-globalist power. After all, if there are 'new jews', they must be victims of 'new hitlers'. So, who are the 'new hitlers'? Globalists tend to be rather mum on that. They pretend Hussein, Iranian leader, Gaddafi, Assad, or Putin is the 'new hitlers', but they were not the ones who created the mess in the Middle East. The main instigators have been US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. Turkey also played a role, especially under unstable Erdogan, a truly dangerous man, but for some reason, the globalists go easy on him.

    During WWII, nations condemned Hitler and Nazi Germany for messing things up. And the world joined together to defeat that evil power.
    Imagine if people back then made a lot of noise about helping refugees created by WWII without ever blaming Hitler, the main instigator of the disaster. That would be nuts, morally untenable.
    The best way to help Jews and other victims of Nazism was to condemn Nazi Germany as the source of the problem and work to end the Nazi World Order.

    The moral discourse of today is akin to "calling for more charity for victims without condemning Hitler". The recent refugees didn't turn themselves into refugees. No one wants to be a refugee. Indeed, turning people into refugees is a crime. So, more important than helping refugees is preventing people from becoming refugees in the first place.
    Why did so many people become refugees? Because the Globalist US(largely steered by Zionist interests and Saudi vileness) made a sorry mess of the Middle East and then even North Africa with hell in Libya. But scum like Odysseus Patrick remain mum on that note.

    He is like a hypothetical Nazi toady or apologist during WWII berating the world for not doing enough to help Polish, Jewish, or Russian refugees without ever mentioning the fact that the victims were forced into refugee-status by Nazi German aggression.

    When mendacious immoral toadies like Patrick(who serve globalist-imperium) preen and sermonize from the bully pulpit, it is total pukeville.

    But then, the current globalist order has the US backing Saudis -- the main supporters of Muslim terrorism -- into slots in the UN 'human rights' commission.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/01/how-saudi-arabia-kept-its-un-human-rights-council-seat

    I don’t think the U.S. should be obligated to take in refugees, even if they bear responsibility for the mess. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Besides, how do we know they’re even refugees, or from the places we’ve left messes? That’s kinda up in the air.

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    "I don’t think the U.S. should be obligated to take in refugees, even if they bear responsibility for the mess. Two wrongs don’t make a right."

    I agree. American public shouldn't be made to bear the burden of policies of American elites.
    OTOH, American public need to be more careful about the kind of people they elect because these politicians make US do crazy things around the world, like getting involved in Somalia.

    That said, there are exceptional cases where the US is obligated to do something. The Hmong belong in this category. The CIA recruited these simpletons and trained them against the communists. So, when the communists prevailed in Laos, the Hmong had hell to pay. If not for the US, the Hmong might have just remained a forest peasant people, neutral and safe. They were used and had to be saved. That is a special case. But I don't think US was obligated to take in all those Vietnamese. Some yes, but not 500,000, which is ridiculous.

    Also, Coulter is right that the Hmong immigration has gone for too long. Okay, those Hmongs used by CIA needed to be saved. But things have calmed down in that part of the world, and Laos is open to tourists and at peace. So, why do Hmong keep coming?
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  138. Will there be an article decrying the US’s focus on rescuing Jews from the Soviet Union?

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  139. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Concern trolling.

    This pointing out of hypocricy gets a lot of reaction here. They really want you to stop doing it.

    This pointing out of hypocricy gets a lot of reaction here.

    To what end?

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  140. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    There is no statistical evidence that Jews are "huge promoters of open borders.' All you can do is play the anecdote game.

    One never knows, but A. ODYSSEUS PATRICK doesn't seem Jewish.

    “One never knows, but A. ODYSSEUS PATRICK doesn’t seem Jewish”.
    True. I just checked Stormfront, my well worn copy of Mein Kampf, and http://www.jewornotjew.com/
    Definitely not jewish.

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  141. Life is for living , yeah that is our philosophy , we’re always happy da da da da da de de de .

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  142. God bless my my wasted life .

    Hail Mary, full of grace,
    the Lord is with thee;
    blessed art thou amongst women,
    and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
    Holy Mary, Mother of God,
    pray for us sinners,
    now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

    Great is the Diana of the Ephesians !!

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  143. @Dave Pinsen

    Oh, I’m not arguing in terms of what people knew/believed then; I’m simply noting what experience has taught us.
     
    Your first comment praised Australia's decision to not welcome Jews fleeing Nazi Germany ("Wise words") quoting Enoch Powell speaking about Commonwealth immigration 30 years later. Now you claim that "experience has taught us" that Australia (and other countries, presumably) were smart in not welcoming Jewish refugees in the 1930s, because many Jews favor open borders today. But much of the open borders/"refugees welcome" advocacy (and not just by Jews), including the article Steve quotes here, invokes the 1930s history (the Évian Conference still isn't generally considered a moral highpoint).

    So one could argue that experience has taught us that if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.

    Dave Pinsen:

    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a “real racial problem” had Australia welcomed them?

    syonredux:

    Possibly. Jews are, after all, huge promoters of open borders and multiculturalism.

    Dave Pinsen:

    Was that an argument made against Jewish refugees anywhere in the 1930s, that Jews favor open borders and multiculturalism? That sounds anachronistic.

    First—how pro-open borders and pro-multicultural was the Gentile zeitgeist? I’d say, not very. “Woke” Gentiles of the 1930s likely thought of Jews in general to be at least dangerously inscrutable, and therefore a possible future liability. Bolstering this, notable Jews themselves had already made arguments in favor of open borders and multiculturalism…

    Works like “The New Colossus” and The Melting Pot, not to mention a perception of widespread “Jewish Bolshevik” agitation would reasonably make a Gentile nation think twice about giving mass refuge. Particularly if the shot-callers are nativist in sentiment. (Though of course, it’s smart to take in the few recognized Einsteins of the world.)

    In short, Powell’s “preventable evils” could be expressed as today’s Rumsfeldian “known knowns,” and “known unknowns.” I don’t know what Powell’s thoughts on Jewish refugees were, but his phrase (timeless in sentiment, really) is applicable to syonredux’s example. That the Australian government didn’t (to my knowledge, anyway) state the preceding with such specificity is moot: It would have been considered common sense.

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  144. sb says:

    Always in commentary on this kind of topic you get a lot of comments about how “empty ” Australia is

    May I recommend that people who talk this way have a good look at a listing of countries ranked by wealth and compare it to a list of countries ranked by population density and come back and tell us if there is any correlation between the two .

    Population density and wealth are not related . Check it out for yourself .

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    Australia is also a big desert
    , @neutral

    Population density and wealth are not related
     
    Similar to this, population density and open borders enthusiasm are also not related, even for very dense population densities nations like England, Holland and Germany the open borders supporters will still support mass immigration.
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  145. sb says:

    I checked out the NYT site .
    Anyone have any ideas why they are doing all these Australia pieces ?
    I mean I understand the Israel and GB coverage but Australia ?

    If it’s angling for Australian subscribers how many would there be realistically and anyway one can get the same sort of lefty foreigners viewpoint via the Guardian which has an Australian edition and has no paywall

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    I don't know for sure, but they've just opened a bureau office in Sydney.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/world/australia/news-expansion.html?_r=0.

    Article by Damien Cave, probably of no relation to famed Australian Nick Cave, but it would be fun if he was, wouldn't it?
    , @Pericles
    The Eye of Sauron gazeth, and having gazed moves on.
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  146. @Dumbo
    From the NYT comments...

    Daryl Vancouver, B.C. 1 hour ago
    Last year Canada accepted 300,000 immigrants including 40,000 refugees, many of which are non-Christian. The system is working beautifully and is accepted by the majority of Canadians who believe that regardless of religion, ethnicity and cultural background, diversity is our greatest strength. Newcomers recognize that you can be yourself here and won't be asked to change. So Australia, send us your non-Christian refugees. We will welcome them with open arms and loving hearts.
     

    As an Australian I only wish you were speaking on behalf of the Canadian Government .
    Maybe we can do a swap of MENA Muslims and Christians

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  147. @sb
    Always in commentary on this kind of topic you get a lot of comments about how "empty " Australia is

    May I recommend that people who talk this way have a good look at a listing of countries ranked by wealth and compare it to a list of countries ranked by population density and come back and tell us if there is any correlation between the two .

    Population density and wealth are not related . Check it out for yourself .

    Australia is also a big desert

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  148. @sb
    I checked out the NYT site .
    Anyone have any ideas why they are doing all these Australia pieces ?
    I mean I understand the Israel and GB coverage but Australia ?

    If it's angling for Australian subscribers how many would there be realistically and anyway one can get the same sort of lefty foreigners viewpoint via the Guardian which has an Australian edition and has no paywall

    I don’t know for sure, but they’ve just opened a bureau office in Sydney.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/world/australia/news-expansion.html?_r=0.

    Article by Damien Cave, probably of no relation to famed Australian Nick Cave, but it would be fun if he was, wouldn’t it?

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  149. @anon
    The Hashemite undertaking is 3 times more inflammatory considering they are occupying 3 times more sacred palestinian land than Israel is .......

    I notice you didn’t address the innocent people harmed by the Zionist undertaking.

    Probably best that the jews just stop colonizing the West Bank, no?

    Or that they grant Gentiles the same rights the jews demand for themselves in the United States and Europe.

    Deal?

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  150. sb says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Jews demand" Sigh.

    One Israeli official asked Australia to take the Muslim refugees from Israel. Did they?

    Last time I checked, Australia got Obama to take in some Muslims. And now Trump has caved, "Mike Pence, the American vice president, confirmed on Saturday that his country would honour an agreement with Australia over resettling refugees that Donald Trump once described as "dumb". " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/22/us-will-honour-refugee-deal-australia-trump-called-dumb/

    No need to get worked up for your blood brothers, the Australians, they're pretty good at finding a bigger sucker.

    It’s actually a swap

    The US will get UN approved Official Muslim refugees who Australia has stated will never get Australian residence as they tried to enter Australia without permission ( which is their policy ) and in return Australia will take Official Refugees from Central America ( an invisible group in Australia ) of which the US has more than enough

    I think in the US -although perhaps not on this site – there would be people who would say that it’s much of a muchness

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  151. @Dave Pinsen
    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a "real racial problem" had Australia welcomed them? Was that what Enoch Powell had in mind 30 years later?

    David Frum's response to people bringing up the '30s in the context of today's refugees seems a smarter tack than reaching for "rivers of blood" here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/refugees/419976/

    In fact, the Australian Government did an about face a few months later, and let in 15,000 over the following 3 years.

    http://christiantoday.com.au/news/1938-evian-conference-still-haunts-australia.html

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  152. @anon

    Israel denies full citizenship to residents of the territory it stole and to their descendants.
     
    Arabs in Israel have full citizenship. By the way The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan is occupying 78% of Palestine . Hashemites are from Mecca Saudi Arabia. After they were deposed by the House of Saud in the 1920s , the British installed them in 78% of Mandatory Palestine as the new kingdom of Jordan. Talk about stolen land .. .......

    Arabs in Israel have full citizenship.

    Only a minority of the Gentile population in Israel has voting rights. A majority, particularly those in Judea, Samaria, are denied voting rights on account of their race and religion. This in contrast to the preferential treatment give to jews there.

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    A majority, particularly those in Judea, Samaria, are denied voting rights on account of their race and religion
     
    Your view that Judea and Samaria are in Israel proper is not shared by anyone. Unlike the Golan Heights, the West Bank has not been annexed or claimed by Israel; they merely administer it currently and have repeatedly offered to turn over nearly all when there is a peace agreement.

    As the Arabs living there aren't Israeli citizens, why should they vote in Israel? They can vote for Palestinian Authority politicians if allowed to. Somehow, their leaders can't get around to scheduling a vote, but whose fault is that?
    , @Karl
    146 Opinionator > are denied voting rights on account of their race and religion


    no, it's because they proclaim that they're NOT Israelis.


    Is Opinionator trying to qualify for a job with the Organization of Islamic Conference? He's got all their talking points down pat.
    , @anon
    Arabs in Israel have full voting rights , there are 18 arab Knesset members. Arabs in west bank ruled by palestinian authority can vote for palestinian authority leadership. They elected mahnoud abbas. Your nonsense is pretty weak . Sub vnn standards. 2/10.
    , @Clyde
    Judea and Samaria my ass!
    You really are a clueless boob when it comes to Israel. All you know is you don't like 'em. I say this based on your most recent stupid comment up above plus others. I will never ever throw in with Muslims and their loony toon cult. You are the opposite and you don't know why.
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  153. We must INTERROGATE the twisted UGLY logic of PC.

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  154. @Jack Highlands
    NYT: "Before WWII, Australia resisted . . . refuge to more Jews. 'As we have no real racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one by encouraging any scheme of large-scale foreign migration,' a government official said in 1938."

    NYT: "Australia should consider that history may judge it harshly for treating today’s Muslims as it did yesterday’s Jews."

    Reality already judges Australia harshly for reneging, importing the tribe that encourages large-scale foreign migration and social chaos of all sorts.

    But wasn’t that NYT’s stance on Jews in 1938 too?

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  155. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @guest
    I don't think the U.S. should be obligated to take in refugees, even if they bear responsibility for the mess. Two wrongs don't make a right.

    Besides, how do we know they're even refugees, or from the places we've left messes? That's kinda up in the air.

    “I don’t think the U.S. should be obligated to take in refugees, even if they bear responsibility for the mess. Two wrongs don’t make a right.”

    I agree. American public shouldn’t be made to bear the burden of policies of American elites.
    OTOH, American public need to be more careful about the kind of people they elect because these politicians make US do crazy things around the world, like getting involved in Somalia.

    That said, there are exceptional cases where the US is obligated to do something. The Hmong belong in this category. The CIA recruited these simpletons and trained them against the communists. So, when the communists prevailed in Laos, the Hmong had hell to pay. If not for the US, the Hmong might have just remained a forest peasant people, neutral and safe. They were used and had to be saved. That is a special case. But I don’t think US was obligated to take in all those Vietnamese. Some yes, but not 500,000, which is ridiculous.

    Also, Coulter is right that the Hmong immigration has gone for too long. Okay, those Hmongs used by CIA needed to be saved. But things have calmed down in that part of the world, and Laos is open to tourists and at peace. So, why do Hmong keep coming?

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  156. @Buffalo Joe
    Strange that in this case the NYT admonishes Australia for wanting to help a minority group. I thought they were all in for minority immigrants.

    NYT is hostile to Christians when it gets the chance. Articles about Catholic priest scandals or fundamentalist Christians are always featured with comments enabled so readers can pile on.

    In other words, the complete opposite of their soft treatment of Muslims. Comments never seem to be enabled on Muslim terrorism articles.

    I’ve noticed it over and over.

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  157. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Opinionator
    Zionists control world policy and only managed to carve out 8 thousand square miles of land and left 40 million square miles of land to the custody of Muslims . Makes total sense !!!!!

    The territories of the United States, Canada, Australia, NZ, Europe, Israel, and significant parts of Latin America are quite a sight more than 8 thousand square miles.

    The words of Prime Minister Billy Hughes in 1919:

    (The late Billy Hughes, Prime Minister of Australia said, “The Montefiores [who infiltrated the upper echelons of the church in England] have taken Australia for their own, and there is not a gold field or a sheep run from Tasmania to New South Wales that does not pay them a heavy tribute. They are the real owners of the antipodean continent. What is the good of our being a wealthy nation, if the wealth is all in the hands of German Jews?” (Saturday Evening Post, June 19, 1919).

    Hughes may have been attending the Paris Peace Conference at the time of these remarks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Hughes

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  158. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    There is no statistical evidence that Jews are "huge promoters of open borders.' All you can do is play the anecdote game.

    One never knows, but A. ODYSSEUS PATRICK doesn't seem Jewish.

    doesn’t seem Jewish.

    Come to think of it, neither does ASHLEY MONTAGUE or MONTAGUE FRANCIS ASHLEY-MONTAGUE.

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  159. @sb
    I checked out the NYT site .
    Anyone have any ideas why they are doing all these Australia pieces ?
    I mean I understand the Israel and GB coverage but Australia ?

    If it's angling for Australian subscribers how many would there be realistically and anyway one can get the same sort of lefty foreigners viewpoint via the Guardian which has an Australian edition and has no paywall

    The Eye of Sauron gazeth, and having gazed moves on.

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  160. In these matters, it seems prudent to take what we might call an “Israel First” policy. Let Israel implement an equivalent policy first, and we can then think about it.

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  161. @Wilkey
    So one could argue that experience has taught us that if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.

    Bollocks on stilts. They would still have all that Ellis Island schmaltz to motivate them. There are lots of other ethnic and racial minorities who don't have the Holocaust to drive their ideology but still favor open borders.

    The truth is that if you see yourself as a minority you probably won't feel you have any reason to support a policy that keeps the racial majority in the majority.

    The irony is that Jews aren't really a minority. They are part of this country's European racial majority, and it is nothing more than fanaticism that underlies their support for mass immigration. Jews have also managed to maintain their communities in spite of the massive inflow of immigration, which is something other whites have not been able to do.

    The irony is that Jews aren’t really a minority. They are part of this country’s European racial majority

    Tell it to the alt-right.

    Jews have also managed to maintain their communities

    Jews in the U.S. are outmarrying faster than a sugar cube dissolves in tea.

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    Jews in the U.S. are outmarrying faster than a sugar cube dissolves in tea.
     
    And yet, they HAVE managed to maintain their communities, as Wilkey observed. The Orthodox are a big farm team. They've got plenty of players to send up to the majors.
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  162. @Opinionator
    Arabs in Israel have full citizenship.

    Only a minority of the Gentile population in Israel has voting rights. A majority, particularly those in Judea, Samaria, are denied voting rights on account of their race and religion. This in contrast to the preferential treatment give to jews there.

    A majority, particularly those in Judea, Samaria, are denied voting rights on account of their race and religion

    Your view that Judea and Samaria are in Israel proper is not shared by anyone. Unlike the Golan Heights, the West Bank has not been annexed or claimed by Israel; they merely administer it currently and have repeatedly offered to turn over nearly all when there is a peace agreement.

    As the Arabs living there aren’t Israeli citizens, why should they vote in Israel? They can vote for Palestinian Authority politicians if allowed to. Somehow, their leaders can’t get around to scheduling a vote, but whose fault is that?

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    154 Ann Onymous > Your view that Judea and Samaria are in Israel proper is not shared by anyone


    i'll mention that to the 19 year old Border Police girls when they're cracking your skull open.
    , @gcochran
    "when there is a peace agreement."

    When the Red King wakes.
    , @Opinionator
    Your view that Judea and Samaria are in Israel proper is not shared by anyone. Unlike the Golan Heights, the West Bank has not been annexed or claimed by Israel; they merely administer it currently

    If the West Bank isn't part of Israel, how is it that Israel is building towns and cities there, has controlled its borders for 50 years, controls its aquifers, collects some of its taxes, and is its military?

    and have repeatedly offered to turn over nearly all when there is a peace agreement.

    Show us one such offer. Just one. Should be easy as you claim many such offers have been made.

    As the Arabs living there aren’t Israeli citizens, why should they vote in Israel?

    Voting is one of the civil rights denied to the Gentiles there on the basis of there race and religion. If you are jewish there, you can vote in national elections.

    They can vote for Palestinian Authority politicians if allowed to.

    Is the Palestinian Authority a national government? Are you saying that the West Bank is a nation-state?
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  163. sb says:

    That quote at the top of this piece comes from the Evian Conference in 1938.

    Australia at that time took 5000 refugees p.a. and wasn’t prepared to increase the number .
    It’s maybe worth noting that 5000 for Australia in 1938 is the same proportion to national population as 236,610 for the US in 2017

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  164. Oz missed a trick in ww2 not setyling the skypes. Think how progressive the world would think you. Those little angels could have grown up, accused you of racism, opened up the norders to put tge Anglo-Celtic peoples who made th country into a minority. You would be so much more pozzed and be as enlightened about muh patriarchy and muh racism like feelzhoodman.

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  165. @Mr. Anon

    What happens if history judges you harshly? You’re still dead no matter what.
     
    Actually, being judged harshly is often the result of surviving (as a culture, that is).

    Exactly. No one judges the Hittites harshly, or the Dorset people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorset_culture

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  166. @Opinionator
    Arabs in Israel have full citizenship.

    Only a minority of the Gentile population in Israel has voting rights. A majority, particularly those in Judea, Samaria, are denied voting rights on account of their race and religion. This in contrast to the preferential treatment give to jews there.

    146 Opinionator > are denied voting rights on account of their race and religion

    no, it’s because they proclaim that they’re NOT Israelis.

    Is Opinionator trying to qualify for a job with the Organization of Islamic Conference? He’s got all their talking points down pat.

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  167. @Ann Onymous

    A majority, particularly those in Judea, Samaria, are denied voting rights on account of their race and religion
     
    Your view that Judea and Samaria are in Israel proper is not shared by anyone. Unlike the Golan Heights, the West Bank has not been annexed or claimed by Israel; they merely administer it currently and have repeatedly offered to turn over nearly all when there is a peace agreement.

    As the Arabs living there aren't Israeli citizens, why should they vote in Israel? They can vote for Palestinian Authority politicians if allowed to. Somehow, their leaders can't get around to scheduling a vote, but whose fault is that?

    154 Ann Onymous > Your view that Judea and Samaria are in Israel proper is not shared by anyone

    i’ll mention that to the 19 year old Border Police girls when they’re cracking your skull open.

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  168. @Opinionator
    From the standpoint of morality and justice, you may be right. However, from just a practical standpoint, it would probably cost less overall (imagine no Iraq war, no war in Afghanistan, Syria, no billions in annual tribute paid from our tax revenues to Israel-on-the-Eastern-Mediterranean) to just give it to them.

    Wouldn’t it cost even LESS to just withhold any aid from Israel and let them figgir’ it out?

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  169. @anon
    We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.

    The only quibble I can find with that is that there are around 14 million Jewish people in the world, and roughly 2.2 billion Christians.

    You honestly don’t see the obvious flaw in your example there ? In case you are being serious with this, I need to point out where Zambia is and who lives there, no SJW/ADL/NYT type would ever touch Zambia for being this. The only thing, and I repeat, the ONLY thing that could get Zambia in trouble is if it said something against Israel, anything else and it maintains an untouchable victim status.

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  170. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Based on many posts I've read, the only thing it takes to "excite ill will toward Jews" is breathing. (takes a deep breath). The point I'm making above is there is only one tiny Jewish state. "Apples and oranges" would be quite an understatement.

    Your comment is kind of ironic since it's obvious that the only practical result of the endless Jew bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you.

    I have generally been inclined to be sympathetic to many alt.right goals. I think there is a lot of anti-White discrimination in America. Letting millions of Mexicans pour across the border and get citizenship is pure madness. More generally, I'm not comfortable with the Leftist social agenda. But reading all of the comments here and many other sites has made me more sympathetic towards the leftist Jews that I have traditionally ridiculed.

    Judah Benjamin Hur said: Your comment is kind of ironic since it’s obvious that the only practical result of the endless Jew bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you.

    Hunsdon said: Turn? That’s walking talking chutzpah right there.

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  171. @Lot
    I will ignore the opinions of "Opinionator" and other anti-Semitic/Arabist trolls until they turn over title of their house to the nearest Indian tribe. Otherwise, just as Israel does, they enjoy and enforce property rights gained by conquest.

    I can’t be the only one that sees the irony.

    For so many years, so many decades, so many centuries, Jews worked to create a better, fairer, more just world. Tikkun olam! States must respect the rights of minorities within their borders. States should live amicably with their neighbors, borders should not be changed by military action.

    And then, when they got a state of their own to play with . . . man, aren’t those rules inconvenient?

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  172. @sb
    Always in commentary on this kind of topic you get a lot of comments about how "empty " Australia is

    May I recommend that people who talk this way have a good look at a listing of countries ranked by wealth and compare it to a list of countries ranked by population density and come back and tell us if there is any correlation between the two .

    Population density and wealth are not related . Check it out for yourself .

    Population density and wealth are not related

    Similar to this, population density and open borders enthusiasm are also not related, even for very dense population densities nations like England, Holland and Germany the open borders supporters will still support mass immigration.

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  173. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Based on many posts I've read, the only thing it takes to "excite ill will toward Jews" is breathing. (takes a deep breath). The point I'm making above is there is only one tiny Jewish state. "Apples and oranges" would be quite an understatement.

    Your comment is kind of ironic since it's obvious that the only practical result of the endless Jew bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you.

    I have generally been inclined to be sympathetic to many alt.right goals. I think there is a lot of anti-White discrimination in America. Letting millions of Mexicans pour across the border and get citizenship is pure madness. More generally, I'm not comfortable with the Leftist social agenda. But reading all of the comments here and many other sites has made me more sympathetic towards the leftist Jews that I have traditionally ridiculed.

    bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you

    This wins the most ridiculous comment of the year award. It does not matter which country, England, Germany, USA, France, etc, they all have the same story, those that pushed for open borders, mass immigration, pro non white politics were always the same. Then somehow those that tried to resist this are the villains, when it was not them that started it.

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  174. “As we have no real racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one

    What’s that?

    Aborigines?

    NO.

    That’s a cultural thing, absolutely nothing racial about it.

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  175. @Buffalo Joe
    Strange that in this case the NYT admonishes Australia for wanting to help a minority group. I thought they were all in for minority immigrants.

    Exactly what I first noticed. Until I thought about the NYT track record, as Frau Katze points out.

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  176. @Dave Pinsen

    Oh, I’m not arguing in terms of what people knew/believed then; I’m simply noting what experience has taught us.
     
    Your first comment praised Australia's decision to not welcome Jews fleeing Nazi Germany ("Wise words") quoting Enoch Powell speaking about Commonwealth immigration 30 years later. Now you claim that "experience has taught us" that Australia (and other countries, presumably) were smart in not welcoming Jewish refugees in the 1930s, because many Jews favor open borders today. But much of the open borders/"refugees welcome" advocacy (and not just by Jews), including the article Steve quotes here, invokes the 1930s history (the Évian Conference still isn't generally considered a moral highpoint).

    So one could argue that experience has taught us that if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.

    So let’s look at Sweden that managed to stay out of the World Wars and remained safe haven that accepted ALL the Jews from the neighboring countries that managed to make it there.

    It took almost no time at all for the “thankful” Jewish refugees to flood Swedish media, academia and politics with not only masss immigration advocacy but endless Holocaust guilt tripping and demands to dismantle Swedish tradition, history and identity in favor of the radical leftist agenda.

    It may be true that not all Jews are involved in such advocacy but it’s also true that no Jew ever came out and even just expressed disapproval towards their co-ethnics who immediately adopted a deeply hostile stance towards the people that had granted them sanctuary.

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    Thanks for this comparison (which I had not heard before). Can you recommend any books (etc.) discussing this? I'm especially interested in details like the number of refugees involved compared to the Swedish population at the time.
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  177. Because Australia seems such a friendly place, and in many ways is a friendly place, it is easy for outsiders to fail to notice how strongly it is animated by racism. And this remains the case despite the country’s being a nation of immigrants. Still, one could say all these things about the USA as well.

    What can be confirm is the growing reluctance on the part of white people to treat Muslims immigrants on an equal footing with immigrants from other religions. Perhaps it is time for the west to recognise it needs to do more to resolve the issues at source, and to work toward a coordinated response to growing mass of migrants. We can’t all just hide from this.

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    Nation of settlers and their descendants, not immigrants. But you would say something like this.
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  178. Thea says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    No, I'm just saying that I'm really deeply proud that Jewish convicts were some of real founding fathers and mothers of Australia. Some of the Johnny-come-latelies, like the Croats, Italians, Greeks, and so forth, they are fake Australians if you ask me!

    To be fair, animosity towards Israel and by extension Jews is really two pronged:
    1. American foreign policy should put American interests first but instead AIPAC has outsized influence.

    2. That we would also like an ethnostate or at least land wherein whites have legal protects that Jews enjoy in Israel. Yes, we are jealous.

    Now, some prominent American Jews complain about Israeli border enforcement. But, I’ve yet to hear one acknowledge that Israeli interests drive US policy to detriment of actual Americans.

    That would certainly improve the opinion of the alt-right toward American Jews. But I think we are a much smaller group than we realize and what we want may not matter.

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  179. @Opinionator
    Arabs in Israel have full citizenship.

    Only a minority of the Gentile population in Israel has voting rights. A majority, particularly those in Judea, Samaria, are denied voting rights on account of their race and religion. This in contrast to the preferential treatment give to jews there.

    Arabs in Israel have full voting rights , there are 18 arab Knesset members. Arabs in west bank ruled by palestinian authority can vote for palestinian authority leadership. They elected mahnoud abbas. Your nonsense is pretty weak . Sub vnn standards. 2/10.

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    Arabs in Israel have full voting rights , there are 18 arab Knesset members.

    The hasbarats have crawled out of the swamp on this thread.

    Only a minority of Gentiles in Israel are granted voting rights. Those residing in the Judea and Samaria are denied full civil rights because they are not jewish. That's been the story for 50 years. It is the civil rights issue of our time.
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  180. There are a lot fewer exploding Jesus’ than exploding Mohammed’s.

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  181. @Dave Pinsen

    The truth is that if you see yourself as a minority you probably won’t feel you have any reason to support a policy that keeps the racial majority in the majority.
     
    An obvious reason would be to keep what made the country attractive to your immigrant ancestors. Granted, there's something of a collective action problem if there are enough of you. Lots of individual Chinese want to go to Canada, but if Canada were 90% Chinese, they probably wouldn't want to go anymore.

    Jews have also managed to maintain their communities in spite of the massive inflow of immigration, which is something other whites have not been able to do.
     
    They have similar challenges as other whites in that. The ones with enough money can afford to congregate in neighborhoods they like; others have to make accommodations.

    An obvious reason would be to keep what made the country attractive to your immigrant ancestors. Granted, there’s something of a collective action problem if there are enough of you. Lots of individual Chinese want to go to Canada, but if Canada were 90% Chinese, they probably wouldn’t want to go anymore.

    True, but no Chinaman (etc.) wants to admit that it was his own people/culture that made his native land so undesirable. Absolutely no one wants to admit this about their own people, least of all the people (e.g., Africans) for whom it is most emphatically true.

    They have similar challenges as other whites in that. The ones with enough money can afford to congregate in neighborhoods they like; others have to make accommodations.

    I was referring to the fact that Jews don’t seem to have too much difficulty holding together a Jewish neighborhood if they want to. I’ve lived in a few cities that had Jewish quarters where most of the Jews seemed to settle.

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  182. @Jaakko Raipala
    So let's look at Sweden that managed to stay out of the World Wars and remained safe haven that accepted ALL the Jews from the neighboring countries that managed to make it there.

    It took almost no time at all for the "thankful" Jewish refugees to flood Swedish media, academia and politics with not only masss immigration advocacy but endless Holocaust guilt tripping and demands to dismantle Swedish tradition, history and identity in favor of the radical leftist agenda.

    It may be true that not all Jews are involved in such advocacy but it's also true that no Jew ever came out and even just expressed disapproval towards their co-ethnics who immediately adopted a deeply hostile stance towards the people that had granted them sanctuary.

    Thanks for this comparison (which I had not heard before). Can you recommend any books (etc.) discussing this? I’m especially interested in details like the number of refugees involved compared to the Swedish population at the time.

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  183. THE TIME HAS COME

    A FACT’S A FACT

    IT BELONGS TO THEM

    BRING IT BACK

    BRING BACK THE WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY

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  184. Not surprisingly the text string “Israel” doesn’t appear in this oped, even though Australia and Israel have rather similar refugee rules.

    It’s not surprising because outside of dolt-right circles it’s not considered obligatory to mention Israel in every article.

    “New York Times Israel asylum seekers”: 1,140,000 google results

    “New York Times Australia asylum seekers”1,080,000 google results.

    But of course, anything less than talking about Israel all day, every day forever is evidence of the frightening power of the Zionists to silence criticism.

    Anyway, the actually funny thing about this article is that it is criticizing Australia for giving preference to a minority in trouble and then trying to establish this as part of a pattern of muh racism by pointing to a prior example of Australia …. not giving preference to a minority in trouble. That’s the sort of thing Steve Sailer makes a living by noticing, but I guess he saw the word Jews and his mind went blurry and flipped into Occams rubber room mode. Happens to to the best of us.

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  185. @Charles Pewitt
    Australia should be accepting neither immigrants nor refugees nor asylum seekers at this time. It doesn't matter whether the refugees are Christians or anything else. Australia should take not one entrant from the Middle East nor anywhere else.

    The New York Times is constantly pushing nation-wrecking mass immigration for European Christian nation-states. The New York Times can go straight to hell. It is obvious that the anti-White elements that control the New York Times propagandize in favor of mass immigration because mass immigration will demographically destroy White nations.

    BRING BACK THE WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY

    Wow bro youre so edgy.

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  186. @Ann Onymous

    A majority, particularly those in Judea, Samaria, are denied voting rights on account of their race and religion
     
    Your view that Judea and Samaria are in Israel proper is not shared by anyone. Unlike the Golan Heights, the West Bank has not been annexed or claimed by Israel; they merely administer it currently and have repeatedly offered to turn over nearly all when there is a peace agreement.

    As the Arabs living there aren't Israeli citizens, why should they vote in Israel? They can vote for Palestinian Authority politicians if allowed to. Somehow, their leaders can't get around to scheduling a vote, but whose fault is that?

    “when there is a peace agreement.”

    When the Red King wakes.

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  187. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Based on many posts I've read, the only thing it takes to "excite ill will toward Jews" is breathing. (takes a deep breath). The point I'm making above is there is only one tiny Jewish state. "Apples and oranges" would be quite an understatement.

    Your comment is kind of ironic since it's obvious that the only practical result of the endless Jew bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you.

    I have generally been inclined to be sympathetic to many alt.right goals. I think there is a lot of anti-White discrimination in America. Letting millions of Mexicans pour across the border and get citizenship is pure madness. More generally, I'm not comfortable with the Leftist social agenda. But reading all of the comments here and many other sites has made me more sympathetic towards the leftist Jews that I have traditionally ridiculed.

    1) Stop reading lowbrow dolt right crap and read the complete works of moldbug. http://moldbuggery.blogspot.co.il/ (note the (((domain))) LOL)

    2) Come home. If the alt-right manage to grow up and get clue, then good for them. They will still probably fail, but at least we can watch admiringly. Either way, though, it’s not your fight. For a comfortable aliyah you need to put aside $3,000 per member of the family. Then think about what you can do for a living once you have settled in. If not now when?

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  188. @Anonymous

    What’s not mentioned in between all that is that Israel has the mirror image policy to Australia’s.
     
    Huh? Wait, so is Australia planning on making 20% of its citizens Arabs like Israel?

    Huh? Wait, so is Australia planning on making 20% of its citizens Arabs like Israel?

    You sure suggesting that Israel “planned” on making 20% of its citizens Arabs won’t make you look the fool?

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  189. @Ann Onymous

    A majority, particularly those in Judea, Samaria, are denied voting rights on account of their race and religion
     
    Your view that Judea and Samaria are in Israel proper is not shared by anyone. Unlike the Golan Heights, the West Bank has not been annexed or claimed by Israel; they merely administer it currently and have repeatedly offered to turn over nearly all when there is a peace agreement.

    As the Arabs living there aren't Israeli citizens, why should they vote in Israel? They can vote for Palestinian Authority politicians if allowed to. Somehow, their leaders can't get around to scheduling a vote, but whose fault is that?

    Your view that Judea and Samaria are in Israel proper is not shared by anyone. Unlike the Golan Heights, the West Bank has not been annexed or claimed by Israel; they merely administer it currently

    If the West Bank isn’t part of Israel, how is it that Israel is building towns and cities there, has controlled its borders for 50 years, controls its aquifers, collects some of its taxes, and is its military?

    and have repeatedly offered to turn over nearly all when there is a peace agreement.

    Show us one such offer. Just one. Should be easy as you claim many such offers have been made.

    As the Arabs living there aren’t Israeli citizens, why should they vote in Israel?

    Voting is one of the civil rights denied to the Gentiles there on the basis of there race and religion. If you are jewish there, you can vote in national elections.

    They can vote for Palestinian Authority politicians if allowed to.

    Is the Palestinian Authority a national government? Are you saying that the West Bank is a nation-state?

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  190. @anon
    Arabs in Israel have full voting rights , there are 18 arab Knesset members. Arabs in west bank ruled by palestinian authority can vote for palestinian authority leadership. They elected mahnoud abbas. Your nonsense is pretty weak . Sub vnn standards. 2/10.

    Arabs in Israel have full voting rights , there are 18 arab Knesset members.

    The hasbarats have crawled out of the swamp on this thread.

    Only a minority of Gentiles in Israel are granted voting rights. Those residing in the Judea and Samaria are denied full civil rights because they are not jewish. That’s been the story for 50 years. It is the civil rights issue of our time.

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    As a resident taqqiyah troll you really cant quibble. 18 arab knesset members doesnt sound like a small minority of gentile votes to me. sounds a significant number.

    The civil rights issue of our times is Islamic supremecy. In muslims countries converting from islam to christianity is punishable by the death penalty , female testimony in court is counted as half a males testimony , homosexuality is punished by the death penalty . civil rights violations galore !!!!! Makes anti gentilism seem like ginger beer.
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  191. @Cagey Beast
    If the liberal ladies and gentlemen of the 19th and 20th century had been told we'd eventually be shamed for preferring Christian refugees, would they ever have emancipated the Jews or thrown open our doors to Jewish immigration?

    Doesn't Trump have a little poem about a silly woman and a serpent?

    I'm starting to curse the whole liberal project now, and I mean "liberal" in the real sense of the word. If people don't want fascism -- and I currently don't -- then they'd better reform liberal democracy fast.

    I’ve wanted fascism since I was literally nine years old.
    Nowadays I want something a bit stronger.

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    Fascism was a 20th century mass movement like Bolshevism. It was thuggish and didn't work out well for anyone. We need something quite different.
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  192. @Anon
    If Australia didn't cause the problems in the Middle East, why should it be responsible?

    US, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Turkey are most responsible for the mess.

    Now, Turkey has taken in refugees. And US took some in too. Israel and Saudis refuse to take any but keep messing things up. And US backs them.

    Australia had NOTHING to do with the mayhem in the Middle East. So, why are Australians responsible? Why are they even taking Christian 'refugees'?

    If Australia really wants to be morally responsible, why not publicly condemn the neo-imperialist Zionist-controlled US foreign policy that has led to WWIII-like conditions in the Middle East? Why not call for a international coalition to oppose, block and resist the new imperialism emanating from Washington and its lackey states in the Middle East and EU?

    And this invocation of Jews and Holocaust is getting dreary. Just as it's tiresome to see another national leader smeared as 'new hitler', it's tiresome to see another bunch of suffering folks sanctified as 'new jews'. How many 'new hitlers' and 'new jews' are there?
    Yes, during WWII, the world could have done more to save Jews. But today(with great irony), it is globalist Jews who are acting most Nazi-like in fomenting wars and terror all over. Times have changed. If any power is the 'new hitler', it is Zionist-globalist power. After all, if there are 'new jews', they must be victims of 'new hitlers'. So, who are the 'new hitlers'? Globalists tend to be rather mum on that. They pretend Hussein, Iranian leader, Gaddafi, Assad, or Putin is the 'new hitlers', but they were not the ones who created the mess in the Middle East. The main instigators have been US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. Turkey also played a role, especially under unstable Erdogan, a truly dangerous man, but for some reason, the globalists go easy on him.

    During WWII, nations condemned Hitler and Nazi Germany for messing things up. And the world joined together to defeat that evil power.
    Imagine if people back then made a lot of noise about helping refugees created by WWII without ever blaming Hitler, the main instigator of the disaster. That would be nuts, morally untenable.
    The best way to help Jews and other victims of Nazism was to condemn Nazi Germany as the source of the problem and work to end the Nazi World Order.

    The moral discourse of today is akin to "calling for more charity for victims without condemning Hitler". The recent refugees didn't turn themselves into refugees. No one wants to be a refugee. Indeed, turning people into refugees is a crime. So, more important than helping refugees is preventing people from becoming refugees in the first place.
    Why did so many people become refugees? Because the Globalist US(largely steered by Zionist interests and Saudi vileness) made a sorry mess of the Middle East and then even North Africa with hell in Libya. But scum like Odysseus Patrick remain mum on that note.

    He is like a hypothetical Nazi toady or apologist during WWII berating the world for not doing enough to help Polish, Jewish, or Russian refugees without ever mentioning the fact that the victims were forced into refugee-status by Nazi German aggression.

    When mendacious immoral toadies like Patrick(who serve globalist-imperium) preen and sermonize from the bully pulpit, it is total pukeville.

    But then, the current globalist order has the US backing Saudis -- the main supporters of Muslim terrorism -- into slots in the UN 'human rights' commission.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/01/how-saudi-arabia-kept-its-un-human-rights-council-seat

    US, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Turkey are most responsible for the mess.

    No, the Syrians are responsible for their own mess.

    US, Saudi, Israeli and Turkish policy may well have made it worse–i agree. And occasionally there’s an actual occupying power. But fundamentally year over year, generation over generation people are responsible for their nations being either peaceful prosperous places or dysfunctional hellholes. Syria is Syria because Syrians do not have the wherewithal to demand and make it better.

    Which again–can’t be emphasized enough–is why the most important political question is and always will be “who makes up my nation?” Take in crappier people, take in non-integrabale or hostile minorities … bad things happen.

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  193. @Opinionator
    It isn't a mental disorder. This gravitation toward real morality and fair play is an important causal factor in the success and appeal of our societies. We must find a way forward that comes within moral framework/argument. It cannot be discarded.

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    As Madeleine Albright once said, "Find better lawyers."
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  194. @Opinionator
    Arabs in Israel have full citizenship.

    Only a minority of the Gentile population in Israel has voting rights. A majority, particularly those in Judea, Samaria, are denied voting rights on account of their race and religion. This in contrast to the preferential treatment give to jews there.

    Judea and Samaria my ass!
    You really are a clueless boob when it comes to Israel. All you know is you don’t like ‘em. I say this based on your most recent stupid comment up above plus others. I will never ever throw in with Muslims and their loony toon cult. You are the opposite and you don’t know why.

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    Very well reasoned
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  195. @Clyde
    Judea and Samaria my ass!
    You really are a clueless boob when it comes to Israel. All you know is you don't like 'em. I say this based on your most recent stupid comment up above plus others. I will never ever throw in with Muslims and their loony toon cult. You are the opposite and you don't know why.

    Very well reasoned

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  196. @Dave Pinsen

    Oh, I’m not arguing in terms of what people knew/believed then; I’m simply noting what experience has taught us.
     
    Your first comment praised Australia's decision to not welcome Jews fleeing Nazi Germany ("Wise words") quoting Enoch Powell speaking about Commonwealth immigration 30 years later. Now you claim that "experience has taught us" that Australia (and other countries, presumably) were smart in not welcoming Jewish refugees in the 1930s, because many Jews favor open borders today. But much of the open borders/"refugees welcome" advocacy (and not just by Jews), including the article Steve quotes here, invokes the 1930s history (the Évian Conference still isn't generally considered a moral highpoint).

    So one could argue that experience has taught us that if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.

    So one could argue that experience has taught us that if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.

    One could argue, but not persuasively. How is Jewish resentment over 1930s Jewish refugees make the long, tortured moral journey to nation changing mass immigration & open borders? I don’t doubt that such a narrative can be created, only that occams razor would suggest that Jewish enthusiasm for open borders in white Gentile nations is motivated by hostility to white Gentile sovereignty. In fact it seems to me that the OB advocates often now betray such motivations openly: Diversity is our strength, we are a nation of immigrants, our immigrants make us better. The flip side of those statements is pretty naked hostility to people who look like me. But forget about the flip side, the direct argument is frequently made today: Susan Rice, admittedly not Jewish argued that there are too many whites in the national security business. I suspect many Jews who make the 1930s refugee argument also make the white privilege argument. We often see the voices of the Establishment celebrating the coming end of the white majority. IOW does it make more sense that all of this hatred of white Gentiles is a direct result of the resentment over the denial of Jewish refugees, or the other way around?

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  197. @ben tillman
    delete

    As Madeleine Albright once said, “Find better lawyers.”

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  198. @Charles Pewitt
    Australia should be accepting neither immigrants nor refugees nor asylum seekers at this time. It doesn't matter whether the refugees are Christians or anything else. Australia should take not one entrant from the Middle East nor anywhere else.

    The New York Times is constantly pushing nation-wrecking mass immigration for European Christian nation-states. The New York Times can go straight to hell. It is obvious that the anti-White elements that control the New York Times propagandize in favor of mass immigration because mass immigration will demographically destroy White nations.

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  199. @Tiny Duck
    Because Australia seems such a friendly place, and in many ways is a friendly place, it is easy for outsiders to fail to notice how strongly it is animated by racism. And this remains the case despite the country's being a nation of immigrants. Still, one could say all these things about the USA as well.

    What can be confirm is the growing reluctance on the part of white people to treat Muslims immigrants on an equal footing with immigrants from other religions. Perhaps it is time for the west to recognise it needs to do more to resolve the issues at source, and to work toward a coordinated response to growing mass of migrants. We can't all just hide from this.

    Nation of settlers and their descendants, not immigrants. But you would say something like this.

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  200. A point here that is not being discussed. What does Australia GAIN from letting these people in? If it is not in Australia’s best interests then why do it? (Being “judged harshly by history” crapola notwithstanding).

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    The cheap labour lobby want a large pool of unemployed workers, the Australia Labor Party pander to ethnic minorities [and get paid $2.48 per vote], supermarkets chains and shopping malls are owned by the usual suspects, mainstream Churches get paid by the Government to ''resettle'' these people, Universities are rolling in dough from International Students, real estate interests working hand in glove with Governments, ...

    There's no gain to be had by the vast majority, only loss, but Australians are never given the choice of voting on the issue.
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  201. @Cagey Beast
    If the liberal ladies and gentlemen of the 19th and 20th century had been told we'd eventually be shamed for preferring Christian refugees, would they ever have emancipated the Jews or thrown open our doors to Jewish immigration?

    Doesn't Trump have a little poem about a silly woman and a serpent?

    I'm starting to curse the whole liberal project now, and I mean "liberal" in the real sense of the word. If people don't want fascism -- and I currently don't -- then they'd better reform liberal democracy fast.

    I’m starting to curse the whole liberal project now, and I mean “liberal” in the real sense of the word.

    I understand the sentiment. But what would we replace it with?

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    A kind of republicanism that Aristotle would recognize and hopefully look upon with favour. As democratic as necessary, parliamentary and with rule of law. The most important thing is the West recognizes the long liberal project is finally over.

    The Industrial Revolutions, the settling of the New World, the miracles of science gave us a long boom. All that allowed us to feel liberal and grand enough to emancipate and invite in all sorts of people. Unfortunately, the Magical Mystery Whig history tour is over now.
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  202. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Based on many posts I've read, the only thing it takes to "excite ill will toward Jews" is breathing. (takes a deep breath). The point I'm making above is there is only one tiny Jewish state. "Apples and oranges" would be quite an understatement.

    Your comment is kind of ironic since it's obvious that the only practical result of the endless Jew bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you.

    I have generally been inclined to be sympathetic to many alt.right goals. I think there is a lot of anti-White discrimination in America. Letting millions of Mexicans pour across the border and get citizenship is pure madness. More generally, I'm not comfortable with the Leftist social agenda. But reading all of the comments here and many other sites has made me more sympathetic towards the leftist Jews that I have traditionally ridiculed.

    Your comment is kind of ironic since it’s obvious that the only practical result of the endless Jew bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you.

    Actually your statement is the ironic one. I have great regard and a large store of well-wishing for Jews and Israel.

    But my interactions with you and your brethren have reduced my former fond affection to neutrality. I still wish you well, but where I would have vigorously stood up for you in the past, your insistence on telling me that I am the problem means that I’ll sit out the next round.

    You are on your own. Maybe that is how you want it.

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  203. @Cagey Beast
    If the liberal ladies and gentlemen of the 19th and 20th century had been told we'd eventually be shamed for preferring Christian refugees, would they ever have emancipated the Jews or thrown open our doors to Jewish immigration?

    Doesn't Trump have a little poem about a silly woman and a serpent?

    I'm starting to curse the whole liberal project now, and I mean "liberal" in the real sense of the word. If people don't want fascism -- and I currently don't -- then they'd better reform liberal democracy fast.

    What is the real sense of the word?

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    "Liberal" in the sense it's used by non-Americans. Unfortunately, in the US the word is used to describe crypto-socialists, anarchist, nihilists and public-sector technocrats. I was thinking of "liberal" to mean the worldview that came to predominate during the long political and social winning streak the West enjoyed (with major hickups) from the late 18th century to the early 1970s. Since the early '70s, we've been trying to keep that magic going using all sorts of ponzi scheme techniques but it seems like it's over man.
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  204. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Opinionator
    Arabs in Israel have full voting rights , there are 18 arab Knesset members.

    The hasbarats have crawled out of the swamp on this thread.

    Only a minority of Gentiles in Israel are granted voting rights. Those residing in the Judea and Samaria are denied full civil rights because they are not jewish. That's been the story for 50 years. It is the civil rights issue of our time.

    As a resident taqqiyah troll you really cant quibble. 18 arab knesset members doesnt sound like a small minority of gentile votes to me. sounds a significant number.

    The civil rights issue of our times is Islamic supremecy. In muslims countries converting from islam to christianity is punishable by the death penalty , female testimony in court is counted as half a males testimony , homosexuality is punished by the death penalty . civil rights violations galore !!!!! Makes anti gentilism seem like ginger beer.

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    As a resident taqqiyah troll you really cant quibble. 18 arab knesset members doesnt sound like a small minority of gentile votes to me. sounds a significant number.

    An artificially low number due to the bigoted disenfranchisement of Gentiles by Jews in Israel. Do you think that Jews should be disenfranchised in Gentile countries?

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  205. @Lot
    I will ignore the opinions of "Opinionator" and other anti-Semitic/Arabist trolls until they turn over title of their house to the nearest Indian tribe. Otherwise, just as Israel does, they enjoy and enforce property rights gained by conquest.

    until they turn over title of their house to the nearest Indian tribe.

    Which one? And how will you resolve the inter-tribal conflicts that result from such a program?

    If, e.g., you think that the Jews and the Arabs hate each other more than the Crow and Sioux (Nacotah, Dacotah, Lacotah) then you have never been in a room with both when their tribal allegiances are disclosed.

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  206. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Concern trolling.

    This pointing out of hypocricy gets a lot of reaction here. They really want you to stop doing it.

    Concern trolling.

    Projection.

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  207. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    A point here that is not being discussed. What does Australia GAIN from letting these people in? If it is not in Australia's best interests then why do it? (Being "judged harshly by history" crapola notwithstanding).

    The cheap labour lobby want a large pool of unemployed workers, the Australia Labor Party pander to ethnic minorities [and get paid $2.48 per vote], supermarkets chains and shopping malls are owned by the usual suspects, mainstream Churches get paid by the Government to ”resettle” these people, Universities are rolling in dough from International Students, real estate interests working hand in glove with Governments, …

    There’s no gain to be had by the vast majority, only loss, but Australians are never given the choice of voting on the issue.

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  208. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    There are a lot of reasons why Jews vote Democrat, immigration is hardly a major reason.

    Elites tend to be open border and Jews are more likely than others to be in the elite. Yet the majority of Jews do not support open borders, as polling has shown.

    http://cis.org/ReligionAndImmigrationPoll

    There are a lot of reasons why Jews vote Democrat, immigration is hardly a major reason.

    It seems to be a major reason in many public pronouncements made by prominent Jews. And what are those other reasons, exactly? They don’t do my people a power of good either.

    Elites tend to be open border and Jews are more likely than others to be in the elite. Yet the majority of Jews do not support open borders, as polling has shown.

    You are being disingenuos. A majority probably does support the currently large levels of legal immigration. Anyway, it doesn’t take “a majority” of a population to support something to make it the case that that population differentially supports it, and does so on a large scale. Most blacks don’t commit violent crime, and yet it is true that blacks, as a group, have a propensity to commit violent crime – much greater than do other groups. And that matters. It has consequences. The same applies to Jews and immigration, your (false) special pleading aside.

    You may as well retire your fallacious squid-ink arguments. People have noticed. They aren’t going to un-notice.

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  209. @Ann Onymous

    The irony is that Jews aren’t really a minority. They are part of this country’s European racial majority
     
    Tell it to the alt-right.

    Jews have also managed to maintain their communities
     
    Jews in the U.S. are outmarrying faster than a sugar cube dissolves in tea.

    Jews in the U.S. are outmarrying faster than a sugar cube dissolves in tea.

    And yet, they HAVE managed to maintain their communities, as Wilkey observed. The Orthodox are a big farm team. They’ve got plenty of players to send up to the majors.

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    I'm pretty sure I know where you are going with this, and where you are going with this makes no sense. These convoluted group evolutionary strategies make less sense than kabbala.

    Here are two theses.

    1) Over the past 150 years Ashkenazi Jews have been disproportionately drawn to Left wing movements of all sorts, providing manpower, resources, and intellectual heft. The cumulative impact of this has been very negative for their host countries and arguably (and in some countries definitely) more than cancels out their positive contributions in commerce, medicine, science and technology.

    2) In joining Left wing movements, Jews are pursuing a covert group ethnocentric strategy that involves marrying Japanese people and breeding at sub-replacement levels, but getting the orthodox to replace their numbers, which will something something something.


    The first thesis is true, and not only is it true it is obviously true and there is nothing for a reasonable person to argue about. The second thesis is not true, and not only is it not true, it is obviously not true and there is nothing for a reasonable person to argue about. It's completely insane how much time is spent coming up with ever more demented ways of finding *evidence* for (2) when what needs to be done, obviously, is find a fix for (1).
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  210. @anon
    To be fair, I think there's a pretty significant proportion of the alt-right that isn't hostile towards Israel so much as it is jealous of it.

    They get to have a wall, and they get to preserve their own heritage, but for some reason, we don't.

    And I'm sure you agree that the Bill Kristols of the world don't really help your cause much by being in favor of diversity in one place but not the other.

    To be fair, I think there’s a pretty significant proportion of the alt-right that isn’t hostile towards Israel so much as it is jealous of it.

    They get to have a wall, and they get to preserve their own heritage, but for some reason, we don’t.

    And I’m sure you agree that the Bill Kristols of the world don’t really help your cause much by being in favor of diversity in one place but not the other.

    And the average Israeli would gladly trade Jewish problems for Christian ones – (1) 2 billion strong – majorities on 4 continents (Europe, North America, South America, Oceania), (2) some of the best land on earth, (3) the lack of continuous low level attacks that have killed 0.4% of the Jewish population of Israel, beginning with Israel’s War of Independence, the equivalent of 8m dead Christians out of a population of 2b. Envy of Israel by the alt-right is like a guy in bespoke clothing envying a hobo.

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    And the average Israeli would gladly trade Jewish problems for Christian ones – (1) 2 billion strong – majorities on 4 continents (Europe, North America, South America, Oceania), (2) some of the best land on earth.

    By and large Muslim lands are marginal wasted lands, are in the arid and desert regions of the world. By and large the Christian world is much greener, has more rain, much more of God's rain. Malaysia and Indonesia being exceptions, and curiously enough their rain and jungle-ish climates work counter to fundamentalist-Jihad style of Islam. Serious Islam does best where crops need irrigation and water rationing, leading to Allah like strictness, clans and first cousin marriage so that what these rain limited territories produce is kept "All in The Family".

    (3) the lack of continuous low level attacks that have killed 0.4% of the Jewish population of Israel, beginning with Israel’s War of Independence, the equivalent of 8m dead Christians out of a population of 2b.
    Terrible to lose so many people to war but this keeps the Izzies battle ready and battle tested. The best boxers grow up in the slums. They are on eternal alert for Muslim Jihad unlike the Euro-Cucks who invite in the Muslim migrant swarms to display what moral super powers they are. Pathetic does not begin to name this derangement.

    Envy of Israel by the alt-right is like a guy in bespoke clothing envying a hobo.
    Dream on Euro=Eloi. Europeans have to copy the Izzies and stop submitting (Islam means submission) to the Jihadist immigration scams and European welfare system funded Muslim demographics of five children per family.

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  211. @Mr. Anon

    Jews in the U.S. are outmarrying faster than a sugar cube dissolves in tea.
     
    And yet, they HAVE managed to maintain their communities, as Wilkey observed. The Orthodox are a big farm team. They've got plenty of players to send up to the majors.

    I’m pretty sure I know where you are going with this, and where you are going with this makes no sense. These convoluted group evolutionary strategies make less sense than kabbala.

    Here are two theses.

    1) Over the past 150 years Ashkenazi Jews have been disproportionately drawn to Left wing movements of all sorts, providing manpower, resources, and intellectual heft. The cumulative impact of this has been very negative for their host countries and arguably (and in some countries definitely) more than cancels out their positive contributions in commerce, medicine, science and technology.

    2) In joining Left wing movements, Jews are pursuing a covert group ethnocentric strategy that involves marrying Japanese people and breeding at sub-replacement levels, but getting the orthodox to replace their numbers, which will something something something.

    The first thesis is true, and not only is it true it is obviously true and there is nothing for a reasonable person to argue about. The second thesis is not true, and not only is it not true, it is obviously not true and there is nothing for a reasonable person to argue about. It’s completely insane how much time is spent coming up with ever more demented ways of finding *evidence* for (2) when what needs to be done, obviously, is find a fix for (1).

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    Re 1): Leftwing movements for the 1st 100 years of those 150 accomplished a number of things we take for granted today and consider good (weekends off, 40-hour weeks, overtime, protections against unsafe workplaces, environmental pollution, exploitive employers, etc.).
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  212. @Johann Ricke

    To be fair, I think there’s a pretty significant proportion of the alt-right that isn’t hostile towards Israel so much as it is jealous of it.

    They get to have a wall, and they get to preserve their own heritage, but for some reason, we don’t.

    And I’m sure you agree that the Bill Kristols of the world don’t really help your cause much by being in favor of diversity in one place but not the other.

     

    And the average Israeli would gladly trade Jewish problems for Christian ones - (1) 2 billion strong - majorities on 4 continents (Europe, North America, South America, Oceania), (2) some of the best land on earth, (3) the lack of continuous low level attacks that have killed 0.4% of the Jewish population of Israel, beginning with Israel's War of Independence, the equivalent of 8m dead Christians out of a population of 2b. Envy of Israel by the alt-right is like a guy in bespoke clothing envying a hobo.

    And the average Israeli would gladly trade Jewish problems for Christian ones – (1) 2 billion strong – majorities on 4 continents (Europe, North America, South America, Oceania), (2) some of the best land on earth.

    By and large Muslim lands are marginal wasted lands, are in the arid and desert regions of the world. By and large the Christian world is much greener, has more rain, much more of God’s rain. Malaysia and Indonesia being exceptions, and curiously enough their rain and jungle-ish climates work counter to fundamentalist-Jihad style of Islam. Serious Islam does best where crops need irrigation and water rationing, leading to Allah like strictness, clans and first cousin marriage so that what these rain limited territories produce is kept “All in The Family”.

    (3) the lack of continuous low level attacks that have killed 0.4% of the Jewish population of Israel, beginning with Israel’s War of Independence, the equivalent of 8m dead Christians out of a population of 2b.
    Terrible to lose so many people to war but this keeps the Izzies battle ready and battle tested. The best boxers grow up in the slums. They are on eternal alert for Muslim Jihad unlike the Euro-Cucks who invite in the Muslim migrant swarms to display what moral super powers they are. Pathetic does not begin to name this derangement.

    Envy of Israel by the alt-right is like a guy in bespoke clothing envying a hobo.
    Dream on Euro=Eloi. Europeans have to copy the Izzies and stop submitting (Islam means submission) to the Jihadist immigration scams and European welfare system funded Muslim demographics of five children per family.

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  213. @Opinionator
    What is the real sense of the word?

    “Liberal” in the sense it’s used by non-Americans. Unfortunately, in the US the word is used to describe crypto-socialists, anarchist, nihilists and public-sector technocrats. I was thinking of “liberal” to mean the worldview that came to predominate during the long political and social winning streak the West enjoyed (with major hickups) from the late 18th century to the early 1970s. Since the early ’70s, we’ve been trying to keep that magic going using all sorts of ponzi scheme techniques but it seems like it’s over man.

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    That liberalism died sometime between 1915 and 1930.
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  214. @Alan Smithee
    Didn't Canada's policy on refugees screens out single straight male refugees? What are Canadians afraid of?
    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/22/canada-to-screen-out-single-men-under-refugee-plan-cbc.html

    "Canada to screen out single men under refugee plan: CBC Only women, children and families will be permitted to enter Canada, according to unnamed sources quoted by CBC."
     
    If we want to plan this game, here is my proposal for Trump administration, adopt the "Stripper Visa" that Canada used to have before 2012, for female refugees 18-30, the visa expire when the civil war ends, or they age out, which ever come first.

    It’s a good start, but it’s not like Muslims don’t have high rates of marriage. They’re basically bringing in breeding pairs. That’s the kind of policy a country looking for settlers would adopt.

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  215. @Dave Pinsen

    Oh, I’m not arguing in terms of what people knew/believed then; I’m simply noting what experience has taught us.
     
    Your first comment praised Australia's decision to not welcome Jews fleeing Nazi Germany ("Wise words") quoting Enoch Powell speaking about Commonwealth immigration 30 years later. Now you claim that "experience has taught us" that Australia (and other countries, presumably) were smart in not welcoming Jewish refugees in the 1930s, because many Jews favor open borders today. But much of the open borders/"refugees welcome" advocacy (and not just by Jews), including the article Steve quotes here, invokes the 1930s history (the Évian Conference still isn't generally considered a moral highpoint).

    So one could argue that experience has taught us that if the West were more welcoming of Jewish refugees in the 1930s there would likely be less advocacy for open borders today.

    I am not very familiar with the topic of refugees in the first half of the 20th century (and I stay clear of certain other subjects). However, in this speech, which was published here on the site, it also says that interests associated with settling Israel purposefully hindered resettlement in the West of Jewish refugees. I do not know whether it is a big effect or a small effect, but it is certainly an interesting observation.

    http://www.unz.com/article/terrorism-how-the-israeli-state-was-won/

    But the most deadly single terror attack was the Jewish Agency’s bombing of the immigrant ship Patria in 1940, killing an estimated 267 people, of whom more than 200 were Jews fleeing the Nazis.

    The Jewish Agency bombed the Patria because it was bringing the DPs to Mauritius, where the British had facilities for them. The Agency needed the DPs to be settlers in Palestine without delay, and was willing to risk the lives of all aboard in order to get the survivors to remain—which, indeed, they did.

    In further violence against its Jewish victims, the Agency framed the dead for the bombing. It spread the lie that the DPs themselves blew up the vessel, that they committed mass suicide rather than not go directly to Palestine, posthumously conscripting the dead to serve the Zionist myth.
    …..
    Another major tactic of violence against Jews by the Jewish Agency and American Zionist leadership was the sabotaging of safe haven in order to force them to Palestine. As but one example, in 1944 US Zionist leaders sabotaged President Roosevelt’s provisional success in establishing a half million new homes for European DPs, most of these homes in the United States and Britain. When Roosevelt’s aide Morris Ernst visited the Zionist leaders in an attempt to save the program, he was, in his words, “thrown out of parlours and accused of treason”— ‘treason’, because he was Jewish, and the Zionists owned Jews.

    Nor were those already settled safe. In 1946, the Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of Palestine, Yitzhak Herzog, conducted a massive kidnapping operation of Jewish orphans that had been adopted by European families when their parents perished years earlier. Removing ten thousand children from their homes was the number he cited to the NY Times as his goal. In the National Archives, I found a copy of his own record of the trip.

    Herzog railed against the fierce resistance he met in every country by horrified local Jewish leaders who tried to protect the children. But Herzog used his political clout to circumvent them. In France, for example, facing the steadfast refusal of the Jewish leaders to betray the children, Herzog

    met the Prime Minister of France from whom I demanded promulgation of a law which would oblige every family to declare the particulars of the children it houses,

    so that those of Jewish background could be exposed and put back in orphanages until they can be shipped to Palestine—quite a Kafkaesque twist on Passover for these children who had just been spared the Nazis.

    Herzog’s justification for the kidnappings was that for a Jew to be raised in a non-Jewish home is “much worse than physical murder”. Yet even this ghastly justification fails to explain what was actually taking place, because at the same time Herzog was ‘rescuing’ Jewish orphans from this fate “much worse than physical murder”, his Jewish Agency colleagues were sabotaging Jewish adoptive homes in England for young survivors still in the camps. The real reason for all of it, of course, was that the children were needed to serve the settler project as demographic fodder.

    To that end, the Jewish Agency had coerced President Truman to segregate Jewish DPs into Zionist indoctrination camps, despite objections that it echoed Nazi behaviour. For these people who had just survived the unthinkable, then severed from the rest of humanity into these brainwashing camps, there was no such thing as free thought.

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  216. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I’m starting to curse the whole liberal project now, and I mean “liberal” in the real sense of the word.
     
    I understand the sentiment. But what would we replace it with?

    A kind of republicanism that Aristotle would recognize and hopefully look upon with favour. As democratic as necessary, parliamentary and with rule of law. The most important thing is the West recognizes the long liberal project is finally over.

    The Industrial Revolutions, the settling of the New World, the miracles of science gave us a long boom. All that allowed us to feel liberal and grand enough to emancipate and invite in all sorts of people. Unfortunately, the Magical Mystery Whig history tour is over now.

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  217. @neon2
    I've wanted fascism since I was literally nine years old.
    Nowadays I want something a bit stronger.

    Fascism was a 20th century mass movement like Bolshevism. It was thuggish and didn’t work out well for anyone. We need something quite different.

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  218. @anon
    As a resident taqqiyah troll you really cant quibble. 18 arab knesset members doesnt sound like a small minority of gentile votes to me. sounds a significant number.

    The civil rights issue of our times is Islamic supremecy. In muslims countries converting from islam to christianity is punishable by the death penalty , female testimony in court is counted as half a males testimony , homosexuality is punished by the death penalty . civil rights violations galore !!!!! Makes anti gentilism seem like ginger beer.

    As a resident taqqiyah troll you really cant quibble. 18 arab knesset members doesnt sound like a small minority of gentile votes to me. sounds a significant number.

    An artificially low number due to the bigoted disenfranchisement of Gentiles by Jews in Israel. Do you think that Jews should be disenfranchised in Gentile countries?

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  219. @Cagey Beast
    If the liberal ladies and gentlemen of the 19th and 20th century had been told we'd eventually be shamed for preferring Christian refugees, would they ever have emancipated the Jews or thrown open our doors to Jewish immigration?

    Doesn't Trump have a little poem about a silly woman and a serpent?

    I'm starting to curse the whole liberal project now, and I mean "liberal" in the real sense of the word. If people don't want fascism -- and I currently don't -- then they'd better reform liberal democracy fast.

    If people don’t want fascism — and I currently don’t — then they’d better reform liberal democracy fast.

    Liberal democracy can’t be reformed. Its fatal flaws are baked into the cake. Liberalism is utopian nonsense.

    Your choice is between authoritarian/fascist government that is on your side or authoritarian/fascist government that hates you and wants you dead.

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  220. @Anon
    If Australia didn't cause the problems in the Middle East, why should it be responsible?

    US, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Turkey are most responsible for the mess.

    Now, Turkey has taken in refugees. And US took some in too. Israel and Saudis refuse to take any but keep messing things up. And US backs them.

    Australia had NOTHING to do with the mayhem in the Middle East. So, why are Australians responsible? Why are they even taking Christian 'refugees'?

    If Australia really wants to be morally responsible, why not publicly condemn the neo-imperialist Zionist-controlled US foreign policy that has led to WWIII-like conditions in the Middle East? Why not call for a international coalition to oppose, block and resist the new imperialism emanating from Washington and its lackey states in the Middle East and EU?

    And this invocation of Jews and Holocaust is getting dreary. Just as it's tiresome to see another national leader smeared as 'new hitler', it's tiresome to see another bunch of suffering folks sanctified as 'new jews'. How many 'new hitlers' and 'new jews' are there?
    Yes, during WWII, the world could have done more to save Jews. But today(with great irony), it is globalist Jews who are acting most Nazi-like in fomenting wars and terror all over. Times have changed. If any power is the 'new hitler', it is Zionist-globalist power. After all, if there are 'new jews', they must be victims of 'new hitlers'. So, who are the 'new hitlers'? Globalists tend to be rather mum on that. They pretend Hussein, Iranian leader, Gaddafi, Assad, or Putin is the 'new hitlers', but they were not the ones who created the mess in the Middle East. The main instigators have been US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. Turkey also played a role, especially under unstable Erdogan, a truly dangerous man, but for some reason, the globalists go easy on him.

    During WWII, nations condemned Hitler and Nazi Germany for messing things up. And the world joined together to defeat that evil power.
    Imagine if people back then made a lot of noise about helping refugees created by WWII without ever blaming Hitler, the main instigator of the disaster. That would be nuts, morally untenable.
    The best way to help Jews and other victims of Nazism was to condemn Nazi Germany as the source of the problem and work to end the Nazi World Order.

    The moral discourse of today is akin to "calling for more charity for victims without condemning Hitler". The recent refugees didn't turn themselves into refugees. No one wants to be a refugee. Indeed, turning people into refugees is a crime. So, more important than helping refugees is preventing people from becoming refugees in the first place.
    Why did so many people become refugees? Because the Globalist US(largely steered by Zionist interests and Saudi vileness) made a sorry mess of the Middle East and then even North Africa with hell in Libya. But scum like Odysseus Patrick remain mum on that note.

    He is like a hypothetical Nazi toady or apologist during WWII berating the world for not doing enough to help Polish, Jewish, or Russian refugees without ever mentioning the fact that the victims were forced into refugee-status by Nazi German aggression.

    When mendacious immoral toadies like Patrick(who serve globalist-imperium) preen and sermonize from the bully pulpit, it is total pukeville.

    But then, the current globalist order has the US backing Saudis -- the main supporters of Muslim terrorism -- into slots in the UN 'human rights' commission.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/01/how-saudi-arabia-kept-its-un-human-rights-council-seat

    If Australia didn’t cause the problems in the Middle East, why should it be responsible?

    We’re pathetic enough to publicly and enthusiastically support every stupid evil American foreign policy debacle. We didn’t cause the problems but we’ve been rabid cheerleaders for those who did.

    We’re too gutless ever to behave like an independent nation.

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  221. @Dave Pinsen
    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a "real racial problem" had Australia welcomed them? Was that what Enoch Powell had in mind 30 years later?

    David Frum's response to people bringing up the '30s in the context of today's refugees seems a smarter tack than reaching for "rivers of blood" here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/refugees/419976/

    Would 1930s Jewish refugees have caused a “real racial problem” had Australia welcomed them?

    The short answer is, yes. We have a very small Jewish minority but they’ve managed to do a great deal of harm (as an example they’ve pretty much managed to destroy freedom of speech). There’s no question that a much larger Jewish community in Australia would have utterly destroyed the country the way they’ve destroyed the US.

    In the 1930s Australia still had governments that put the interests of Australians first.

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  222. @anon
    We need to find one piece of land that is roughly 8019 square miles to be the sole Christian country.

    The only quibble I can find with that is that there are around 14 million Jewish people in the world, and roughly 2.2 billion Christians.

    The only quibble I can find with that is that there are around 14 million Jewish people in the world, and roughly 2.2 billion Christians.

    You’re using anti-semitic math!

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  223. @Dave Pinsen
    Was that an argument made against Jewish refugees anywhere in the 1930s, that Jews favor open borders and multiculturalism? That sounds anachronistic.

    Was that an argument made against Jewish refugees anywhere in the 1930s, that Jews favor open borders and multiculturalism? That sounds anachronistic.

    In the 1930s there would have been a perfectly legitimate fear that many Jewish refugees would be Bolsheviks. And there would have been a perfectly legitimate fear that they would have worked to undermine and eventually destroy the host country.

    So although the words used would have been different the basic argument would have been the same, and would have been equally valid.

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  224. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Based on many posts I've read, the only thing it takes to "excite ill will toward Jews" is breathing. (takes a deep breath). The point I'm making above is there is only one tiny Jewish state. "Apples and oranges" would be quite an understatement.

    Your comment is kind of ironic since it's obvious that the only practical result of the endless Jew bashing by the alt.right is to turn Jews against you.

    I have generally been inclined to be sympathetic to many alt.right goals. I think there is a lot of anti-White discrimination in America. Letting millions of Mexicans pour across the border and get citizenship is pure madness. More generally, I'm not comfortable with the Leftist social agenda. But reading all of the comments here and many other sites has made me more sympathetic towards the leftist Jews that I have traditionally ridiculed.

    I have generally been inclined to be sympathetic to many alt.right goals. I think there is a lot of anti-White discrimination in America. Letting millions of Mexicans pour across the border and get citizenship is pure madness. More generally, I’m not comfortable with the Leftist social agenda. But reading all of the comments here and many other sites has made me more sympathetic towards the leftist Jews that I have traditionally ridiculed.

    It’s unfortunate but we humans do tend to judge people collectively rather than individually. Because sometimes we have to in order to survive. If you’re facing an invading horde of Mongols or Huns or Visigoths then you can’t afford to start saying, “But not all Visigoths are bad. Some are really nice people.” Sometimes it’s wise to make blanket judgments even if they’re unfair.

    But I do understand your frustration. Some Visigoths really are nice people. If we weren’t facing catastrophic mass immigration then we wouldn’t need to make blanket judgments. It’s easy to celebrate the fact that some Visigoths are nice people when Visigoths stay in their own country. It’s also easier to celebrate Somali rocket scientists when they’re living in Somalia and contributing to Somalia’s indigenous space program.

    If you’re a Jew opposed to the demographic replacement of whites in western countries then it’s very unfortunate if you get caught in the crossfire.

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  225. @Gabriel M
    I'm pretty sure I know where you are going with this, and where you are going with this makes no sense. These convoluted group evolutionary strategies make less sense than kabbala.

    Here are two theses.

    1) Over the past 150 years Ashkenazi Jews have been disproportionately drawn to Left wing movements of all sorts, providing manpower, resources, and intellectual heft. The cumulative impact of this has been very negative for their host countries and arguably (and in some countries definitely) more than cancels out their positive contributions in commerce, medicine, science and technology.

    2) In joining Left wing movements, Jews are pursuing a covert group ethnocentric strategy that involves marrying Japanese people and breeding at sub-replacement levels, but getting the orthodox to replace their numbers, which will something something something.


    The first thesis is true, and not only is it true it is obviously true and there is nothing for a reasonable person to argue about. The second thesis is not true, and not only is it not true, it is obviously not true and there is nothing for a reasonable person to argue about. It's completely insane how much time is spent coming up with ever more demented ways of finding *evidence* for (2) when what needs to be done, obviously, is find a fix for (1).

    Re 1): Leftwing movements for the 1st 100 years of those 150 accomplished a number of things we take for granted today and consider good (weekends off, 40-hour weeks, overtime, protections against unsafe workplaces, environmental pollution, exploitive employers, etc.).

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  226. @Cagey Beast
    "Liberal" in the sense it's used by non-Americans. Unfortunately, in the US the word is used to describe crypto-socialists, anarchist, nihilists and public-sector technocrats. I was thinking of "liberal" to mean the worldview that came to predominate during the long political and social winning streak the West enjoyed (with major hickups) from the late 18th century to the early 1970s. Since the early '70s, we've been trying to keep that magic going using all sorts of ponzi scheme techniques but it seems like it's over man.

    That liberalism died sometime between 1915 and 1930.

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  227. @Opinionator
    It isn't a mental disorder. This gravitation toward real morality and fair play is an important causal factor in the success and appeal of our societies. We must find a way forward that comes within moral framework/argument. It cannot be discarded.

    It isn’t a mental disorder. This gravitation toward real morality and fair play is an important causal factor in the success and appeal of our societies.

    You are mistaken. What you call “morality and fair play” I presume to be universal morality. We do have a tendency to expnd our moral community. However, we are engaging in the opposite of universal morality. We are engaging in perfectly particularistic morality — with a twist.

    Normally, particularistic morality is designed to benefit the moral community. In our case, however, the particularistic morality is intended to harm the moral community of whites.

    This is unquestionably a disorder.

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