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Are We Raising Racists?

By JENNIFER HARVEY MARCH 14, 2017

It only costs $264,000 to send your child to Middlebury College for four years to learn to assault social scientists whose findings are unpalatable.

Sounds like you’d find it a good deal.

 
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  1. Anonym says:

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    Oh my god enough already from the left. Stop it. ALL people of ALL races raise racist children. This constant attempt to turn white people into inherent villains even before we’ve left first grade is why the left loses elections.

    Up there:
    What makes this writer think that only white people can be racists?

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    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @CCZ
    But the social grievance warriors had a good share, perhaps an equal number, of the comments like the one below and they most often are creating the curriculum:

    "Excellent. The term "white privilege" should be familiar to all white children by the time they are six. The "we're all equal" message is valuable but cannot be the only one. By the time white folks hear the term "white privilege" they are typically older, and find the term "privilege" offensive, when in fact it accurately describes the state of being white, no matter what our socioeconomic status, in this society."

    , @res
    The NYT Picks are even more out of step with the Reader's Picks than usual. The 4 NYT Pick comments have a total of 6 Recommends between them. In contrast to a current 50 Recommends for the comment you quoted.

    The SJWs must be feeling their oats to go after George Washington!

    P.S. For an idea of the author's background, here is her book: https://www.amazon.com/Dear-White-Christians-Reconciliation-Christianity-ebook/dp/B00QQKO5KY
    , @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    I appreciate that pick of comment and agree with the sentiment.

    But I'd add something. An article over Israel Shamir writes:


    This is a well-chosen book, likely to remind ... that it is better to compromise than to try and reach for the sky. The Jews of Josephus could have it very good under benevolent Rome, but they overreached themselves and came to disaster.
     
    In addition to the target Shamir intends, his point applies to American conservatives, traditionalists, and people who think that European-Americans have a right to exist, and exist as cohesive cultures, and as cohesive cultures in the US in particular.

    There is nothing new about the forces that are allied in driving this insanity - they are Hobbesian in nature - that is: they are products of Game Theory which Hobbes recognized and thinkers all the way back to Plato were preoccupied with when they confronted the problems of social degenerecy.

    Until recently an entire reason the US has been spared this has been: it's size, and it's federalism.

    There are two ways to defeat the Hobbesian Tragedy. Direct warfare. This often results in defeat, especially for those sure of success - and when it doesn't result in defeat, it often transforms the victor into the villain he strove to destroy.

    Or: walls. Regions, and walls. By walling it out, you cause it to choke on the vine.

    Meanwhile - while the sentiment of the comment is spot on - the attitudes of people in comments all over here, don't help. Put away all words of hate. Argue to live, and let live - but take it beyond the individual and make it about cohesive communities. Don't make it about race, unless you want to lose, make it about shared ancestry and culture. Rinse wash and repeat. Cohesive communities, cohesive culture, cohesive community, etc.
    Then work on building constitutional walls.

    That would really be the magic - if instead of a concrete wall with Mexico - if Trump brought back constitutional walls that worked. If he did that alone, he could fail at everything else, and we might get out of this OK.

    Meanwhile - we can bargain with the benevolent state for walled space - and I would bet high and long there are enough who voted for Trump and who would do that again, that you would get that concession.
    Or - like the zealots of Josephus's time - some could try to defeat the state. Good luck with that.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    What makes this writer think that only white people can be racists?
     
    Because that was what the term was intended to mean from the very beginning. It's not a word, it's a weapon.

    What makes you think you can use the enemy's word against him? It's inherently dishonest, so it's dishonest of you as well.

    Stick to real words. Get a dictionary older than Dodger Stadium.
    , @Ragno

    Oh my god enough already from the left. Stop it. This constant attempt to turn white people into inherent villains even before we’ve left first grade is why the left loses elections.
     
    Losing elections if we're lucky. Because this constant drip-drip-drip Chinese water torture of hate-Whitey propaganda that Corporate Media sees fit to marinate us all in 24/7/365 cannot help but create and awaken Breiviks. (Yes, in the plural.)

    Which, let's face it, is what the Left crosses their fingers hoping for everyday - a chance to preen 'See? Y'SEE now?' before mau-mauing the mulching of the Bill of Rights through both houses of Congress. (But then what have they wrought in this world that hasn't backfired disastrously on mankind?)
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  2. Wally says:

    Predictably there is no mention of widespread support by US Jews for Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY.

    It’s also revealing that we don’t see them criticizing Israel’s very real WALL.

    These alleged ‘antisemitic hate crimes’ are not real crimes that were tried in courts of law.

    These are only what some Jews ‘report’ as ‘hate crimes’, not what was actually charged against someone & tried in court.

    IOW, if someone doesn’t like what someone said, they then report or stage an act that is said to be ‘racist, antisemitic’, and voila! … instant ‘hate crime’ statistics.

    The question to ask is: ‘Who Benefits?’

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    What the hell are you talking about you anti semite
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  3. CCZ says:
    @Anonym
    Top rated comment:
    Oh my god enough already from the left. Stop it. ALL people of ALL races raise racist children. This constant attempt to turn white people into inherent villains even before we've left first grade is why the left loses elections.

    Up there:
    What makes this writer think that only white people can be racists?

    But the social grievance warriors had a good share, perhaps an equal number, of the comments like the one below and they most often are creating the curriculum:

    “Excellent. The term “white privilege” should be familiar to all white children by the time they are six. The “we’re all equal” message is valuable but cannot be the only one. By the time white folks hear the term “white privilege” they are typically older, and find the term “privilege” offensive, when in fact it accurately describes the state of being white, no matter what our socioeconomic status, in this society.”

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    But the social grievance warriors had a good share, perhaps an equal number, of the comments like the one below and they most often are creating the curriculum:

    I don't doubt it. I draw attention to those comments to highlight the rate of change of leftist opinion... on Carlos Salim's blog. It's an important bellwether don't you think?

    The leftist orthodoxy is crumbling. It's a paper tiger at this point, much like the Christian establishment was in the 20th century. I sense major weakness and crisis of confidence that was not apparent a decade ago. As usual it is the harridans who, like the author of the article, are the orthodoxy's most stalwart defenders.

    The youth will be ours, as per the Ricky memes (on a continuum). The t_d is the best in terms of the SJWness of both of them pre-radicalization:

    https://me.me/i/how-it-works-ugh-mommy-whats-that-r-the-donald-sub-1379205

    https://me.me/i/ugh-mommy-those-two-men-are-securing-the-existence-of-5526180

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxiz5VxW8AEjImZ.jpg:large

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  4. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    • LOL: Kyle McKenna, eah
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Drakes are notorious rapists. I'm shocked that this sexist university name has been allowed to stand. It can only be because of cisheteronormativewhite priviledge
    , @Buck Turgidson
    This is in Iowa. Iowa, people, for crying out loud. Leftists in Iowa love their 'Jennifers' (who needs to be institutionalized, but instead is tenured making good bank and doing sweet F.A.), and overcompensate for their insecurity from living in flyover country. Iowan leftist moron feminists think that the *really* cool leftist hipsters in LA and NY laugh at them b/c they couldn't possibly be as postmodern, hip, deconstructionist, or LGBTVZ as the kewl postmodern feminist kids on either coast. The Iowans overcompensate for their leftist inferiority complex by going double-down, full-on off-the-reservation feminist postmodern retard. Check out Iowa City or Madison, where you will find some of the most unhinged violent mentally ill purple-haired nose-ringed tatted-out psycho-lunatics on the planet. They have to work a little harder at it than the east or west coast hipsters.
    , @BB753
    Is she a man to woman transexual? Lady looks like a dude.
    , @WR
    Is that thing a female member of the human species?
    , @Ripple Earthdevil
    She has that lesbian look. I wonder who the girl's father is and what role he has in her enlightenment about the evils of white racism.
    , @Autochthon
    https://youtu.be/WgOIEGz7o_s
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Finally, a James Woods tranny!
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  5. Escher says:

    So far, the comments on the NYT website with the highest number of thumbs up are those that disagreed with the smug self-righteousness of the author.
    I think America has reached and passed peak “white guilt”.

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    • Agree: San Fernando Curt
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Not to be Donny Downer, but those comments and the likes may not be a representative sample of the NYT readership or society as a whole.
    , @AP
    Wall Street Journal, no less, has announced what you say:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-exhaustion-of-american-liberalism-1488751826
    , @MarcB.
    "I think America has reached and passed peak “white guilt”.

    I see 2013 as the year it jumped the shark, five years after being called racist started to lose it's sting. It no longer works as a shut up word, even with mainstream conservative commentators. Trump's rise could not have happened in 2015-16 unless the broader White culture hadn't already been over it.

    , @San Fernando Curt
    I think progressives like the nitwit author of the Times piece also sense America is losing its white guilt. But in doubling-down to point of hysteria over the issue, she makes herself more repellent to all us honky heretics - and reveal her goals as slop of a sanctimonious buffoon.

    We always can tell when commenters effectively assail a piece: Commenting shuts down as quickly as it did here.

    , @Anonym
    I think America has reached and passed peak “white guilt”.

    The descent is going to be interesting, if the change in opinion is somewhat sinusoidal or thereabouts.

    Consider the solstices. Here we have the greatest acceleration (change in velocity) but the least velocity (change in position), and the greatest extreme in position. What that means is that in winter solstice for example, we have entered a time where the days are minimally long. There is not much difference between the day before solstice and solstice itself in terms of day length. The rate of change in the day length is nearly zero. But the rate at which the rate of day length change (the second derivative) is maximal. Once we approach the equinoxes, the day length change is maximal, and the days grow shorter at the most rapid rate. Meanwhile, the rate of change in the rate of day length change is zero.

    If you are appropriately familiar with calculus, you will understand what I'm talking about. Long story short, my expectation is that in a few years, public opinion of whites will become a lot more white nationalist than it has been, and at a rapid rate that will surprise a lot of people, myself included.
    , @Frau Katze

    So far, the comments on the NYT website with the highest number of thumbs up are those that disagreed with the smug self-righteousness of the author.

    I think America has reached and passed peak “white guilt”.
     
    I think you've got a point. Her attitude seems to be, "Hey teachers! You're not indoctrinating my (7-year old) daughter! What am I paying taxes for? I have to indoctrinate her myself."

    I feel sorry for that girl.
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  6. Barnard says:

    Last year at this time, my 7-year-old was running around singing the praises of George Washington.

    My nephew learned the song, “George Washington, George Washington, he was a great, great man” at about that age in public school. I was surprised it hadn’t been purged yet.

    After I told my daughter the whole story, she asked, “If Washington held slaves, why do we celebrate him as if he was such a great man?”

    I have a feeling Jennifer Harvey doesn’t teach her daughter to have this level of scrutiny towards
    every historical figure. Although I it wouldn’t surprise me if they are already telling them about Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings.

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    Note the Dickensian paraphrase of whatever the (surrogate?) child actually burbled. From the mouths of babes comes valuable propaganda.

    I'm reminded of the post-election "What am I going to tell my children?" Tell them that democracy has taken place. Maybe you shouldn't have filled their heads with images of the coming putsch in the first place.

    Teaching 6-year-olds, who are already prone to magical thinking, that they are "systemically" responsible for the suffering of strangers is a sure way to establish an abiding psychological trauma. They are raising a nation of neurotics.
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  7. SPMoore8 says:

    If this mother wants to be consistent, instead of telling her daughter that Washington was a bad man because he owned black people as slaves, she should instead be teaching her daughter that she is an undeserving recipient of white privilege, which is why Mommy is going to take all of her toys and clothes and put them out on the street so that all the children of color can play with them. Then Mommy can resign her position as a Professor of Religion, which assuredly must be due to white privilege on some level, and she and her daughter can go live in the back of a station wagon. Meanwhile, she should also explain that religion is a giant ripoff and validates white privilege and the rule of the strong over the weak, and that that is unjust, because everyone should be the same.

    Instead we get virtue signaling hogwash like this.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    Did you read the comment with a link to a summary of her book? If Harvey completely lost her mind and went that far, it wouldn't be that surprising. I have no doubt her child is getting consistent lectures on white privilege. Since I am guessing she is not the biological mother, there could be some fun pushback during the rebellious teenage years.
    , @Abe

    If this mother wants to be consistent, instead of telling her daughter
     
    "As a white woman, I need to be taught so I can teach others!"

    Of course, at some level, every white woman who says stuff like this really means: "Please tell me what I have to say so that people like and respect me and make me feel like I belong. And if you don't like the sound of that, white man, maybe you should grow a pair and take control of the social situation and fix things so that I don't have to bow and scrape and lie like this just to get by. PS: I still want you to want to wash the dishes."
    , @Spotted Toad
    I really don't understand why we can't take yes for an answer anymore. Here's what Washington wrote in 1786:

    "I hope it will not be conceived from these observations, that it is my wish to hold the unhappy people who are the subject of this letter, in slavery. I can only say that there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it—but there is only one proper and effectual mode by which it can be accomplished, & that is by Legislative authority: and this, as far as my suffrage will go, shall never be wanting."

    And of course Washington freed his slaves at his death. There's a reason "Washington" is the most disproportionately black of all American last names- for freed slaves, identifying with the founders of the country and with national identity was crucial to a sense of equality.
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  8. res says:
    @Anonym
    Top rated comment:
    Oh my god enough already from the left. Stop it. ALL people of ALL races raise racist children. This constant attempt to turn white people into inherent villains even before we've left first grade is why the left loses elections.

    Up there:
    What makes this writer think that only white people can be racists?

    The NYT Picks are even more out of step with the Reader’s Picks than usual. The 4 NYT Pick comments have a total of 6 Recommends between them. In contrast to a current 50 Recommends for the comment you quoted.

    The SJWs must be feeling their oats to go after George Washington!

    P.S. For an idea of the author’s background, here is her book: https://www.amazon.com/Dear-White-Christians-Reconciliation-Christianity-ebook/dp/B00QQKO5KY

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    Anonym,

    The book's author embraces "instead a reparations paradigm".

    Who ever would have suspected that?
    , @Mr. Anon

    The SJWs must be feeling their oats to go after George Washington!
     
    The San Francisco school-board is considering de-naming George Washington High and renaming it after..............Maya Angelou, of course.
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  9. @Anonymous
    Good grief.

    http://www.drake.edu/philrel/faculty/jenniferharvey/

    Drakes are notorious rapists. I’m shocked that this sexist university name has been allowed to stand. It can only be because of cisheteronormativewhite priviledge

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  10. White children are exposed to racism daily. If we parents don’t point it out, show how it works and teach why it is false, over time our children are more likely to accept racist messages at face value. When they see racial inequality — when the only doctors or teachers they see are white, or fewer kids in accelerated classes are black, for example — they won’t blame racism. Instead, they’ll blame people of color for somehow falling short.

    Those darn occamites!

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    • LOL: Kylie
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  11. Barnard says:
    @SPMoore8
    If this mother wants to be consistent, instead of telling her daughter that Washington was a bad man because he owned black people as slaves, she should instead be teaching her daughter that she is an undeserving recipient of white privilege, which is why Mommy is going to take all of her toys and clothes and put them out on the street so that all the children of color can play with them. Then Mommy can resign her position as a Professor of Religion, which assuredly must be due to white privilege on some level, and she and her daughter can go live in the back of a station wagon. Meanwhile, she should also explain that religion is a giant ripoff and validates white privilege and the rule of the strong over the weak, and that that is unjust, because everyone should be the same.

    Instead we get virtue signaling hogwash like this.

    Did you read the comment with a link to a summary of her book? If Harvey completely lost her mind and went that far, it wouldn’t be that surprising. I have no doubt her child is getting consistent lectures on white privilege. Since I am guessing she is not the biological mother, there could be some fun pushback during the rebellious teenage years.

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  12. Tiny Duck says:

    The problem is not white parents, it’s homogeneous communities.

    The largest vestige of racism is this country are Private Golf Country Clubs. The members are racists and antisemites. You can’t change the adults, but it is a shame that they bring their children there to teach the next generation to not want to associate with the “other babies”.

    Yes, the Supreme Court has found, on many occasions, that people have the right to privacy and the right to associate with “there own kind”. Basically, to be racist in the privacy of their golf courses and eating/drinking clubs.
    Bad
    Sad

    Like I said, if communities are not white majority then evil will continuie

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    TD, Damn the Supreme Court for using the wrong "there" in "their" opinion. Damn stupid white privileged justices, except for the black guy and the Latinx.
    , @Jacobite
    So you would prefer that their sons and daughters go to school with black thugs where teaching is made impossible by the unruly behavior and where they will be at risk of aggravated assault and rape?
    , @Autochthon

    Like I said, if communities are not white majority then evil will continuie [sic].
     
    Thou sayest.
    , @fish
    Oh noes.....Tiny narrative failure.....


    http://nypost.com/2017/03/15/man-in-critical-condition-after-chicken-joint-beatdown/
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  13. @Anonymous
    Good grief.

    http://www.drake.edu/philrel/faculty/jenniferharvey/

    This is in Iowa. Iowa, people, for crying out loud. Leftists in Iowa love their ‘Jennifers’ (who needs to be institutionalized, but instead is tenured making good bank and doing sweet F.A.), and overcompensate for their insecurity from living in flyover country. Iowan leftist moron feminists think that the *really* cool leftist hipsters in LA and NY laugh at them b/c they couldn’t possibly be as postmodern, hip, deconstructionist, or LGBTVZ as the kewl postmodern feminist kids on either coast. The Iowans overcompensate for their leftist inferiority complex by going double-down, full-on off-the-reservation feminist postmodern retard. Check out Iowa City or Madison, where you will find some of the most unhinged violent mentally ill purple-haired nose-ringed tatted-out psycho-lunatics on the planet. They have to work a little harder at it than the east or west coast hipsters.

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    • Agree: Kylie, Jacobite
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Iowan leftist moron feminists think that the *really* cool leftist hipsters in LA and NY laugh at them b/c they couldn’t possibly be as postmodern, hip, deconstructionist, or LGBTVZ as the kewl postmodern feminist kids on either coast. The Iowans overcompensate for their leftist inferiority complex by going double-down, full-on off-the-reservation feminist postmodern retard.

     

    Yes, I'm afraid this is pretty accurate. A typical midwestern lefty constucts an ediface of pomo cool on a deep, solid foundation of hard-won culturally-conveyed earnestness. The result is an especially relentless and humorless 'ironic playfulness'.
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  14. Tiny Duck says:

    We need to go a step further than that. This election has demonstrated that a significant number of white, christian Americans sincerely believe that they are the most victimized group.

    To counter this absurdity the term “white privilege” should be familiar to all white children by the time they are six. The “we’re all equal” message is valuable but cannot be the only one. By the time white folks hear the term “white privilege” they are typically older, and find the term “privilege” offensive, when in fact it accurately describes the state of being white, no matter what our socioeconomic status, in this society.

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    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    Swedish kids are going to be indoctrinated in childhood: https://www.thelocal.se/20170313/swedish-kids-to-learn-computer-coding-and-how-to-spot-fake-news-in-primary-school
    , @Ragno
    Tiny Duck - you so crazy. An' tiny!
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  15. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    US has been favoring imperialist Zionists over Palestinians since 1948, and NYT just noticed?

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  16. Thea says:

    if you send your child to a school where the ciriculum focuses on peace then they will not be learning much about diversity. And vice verse.

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  17. Anonym says:
    @CCZ
    But the social grievance warriors had a good share, perhaps an equal number, of the comments like the one below and they most often are creating the curriculum:

    "Excellent. The term "white privilege" should be familiar to all white children by the time they are six. The "we're all equal" message is valuable but cannot be the only one. By the time white folks hear the term "white privilege" they are typically older, and find the term "privilege" offensive, when in fact it accurately describes the state of being white, no matter what our socioeconomic status, in this society."

    But the social grievance warriors had a good share, perhaps an equal number, of the comments like the one below and they most often are creating the curriculum:

    I don’t doubt it. I draw attention to those comments to highlight the rate of change of leftist opinion… on Carlos Salim’s blog. It’s an important bellwether don’t you think?

    The leftist orthodoxy is crumbling. It’s a paper tiger at this point, much like the Christian establishment was in the 20th century. I sense major weakness and crisis of confidence that was not apparent a decade ago. As usual it is the harridans who, like the author of the article, are the orthodoxy’s most stalwart defenders.

    The youth will be ours, as per the Ricky memes (on a continuum). The t_d is the best in terms of the SJWness of both of them pre-radicalization:

    https://me.me/i/how-it-works-ugh-mommy-whats-that-r-the-donald-sub-1379205

    https://me.me/i/ugh-mommy-those-two-men-are-securing-the-existence-of-5526180

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxiz5VxW8AEjImZ.jpg:large

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  18. AndrewR says:
    @Escher
    So far, the comments on the NYT website with the highest number of thumbs up are those that disagreed with the smug self-righteousness of the author.
    I think America has reached and passed peak "white guilt".

    Not to be Donny Downer, but those comments and the likes may not be a representative sample of the NYT readership or society as a whole.

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Actually I read comments a lot. I find NYT readers are a reasonable guide to leftist thinking.

    They're very different from WSJ, for example.

    To see this number of negatives is a bellwether.

    It could because the girl is only seven. It's insane to start ranting about George Washington to such a young child. She couldn't possibly place it in historical context.

    Mind you, NYT itself seems to have gone off the rails. Shortly after the election, there was a piece about the possible end of identity politics.

    I read the comments carefully. Many readers agreed. They'd had enough.

    But, there was about an equal number who disagreed in the strongest personal terms, saying their lives were completely enmeshed with identity politics. The idea of stopping the harangue horrified them.

    NYT chose to listen to the second group.
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  19. SPMoore8 says:

    Like any other poster in the NE, I am snowbound so probably spending way too much time on this. However, the comments to this piece are really a hoot. In the first place, most commenters are using the article as a platform to signal not only what wonderful parents they are but also what wonderful children they have. Highlights include:

    – The San Franciscan who insists that first graders spend all of their time talking about racial differences, privilege, and police brutality.

    – The woman whose daughter attended pre-school where not only English, but also Spanish, as well as an “Asian language” were spoken.

    – The father who insisted on lecturing his 9 year old son on sexual violence when his son discovered that slaveowners sometimes had children by their slaves.

    – The mother whose daughter found out someone who was black, just like the androgynous athleticism of another girl (read: 6 year old lesbian) or the boy who wanted to direct Broadway shows (read: 5 year old gay person).

    Of course, all of this is being blamed on Trump.

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    It would be interesting to hear the father talk to his son about Martin Luther King's penchant for beating the living hell out of the white hookers that he procured. (No doubt with his own money;I am sure he wouldn't use any of that civil rights money!)
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  20. jacobsson says:

    Or “Are You Doing Enough to Stop Your Kid From Noticing Reality?”

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    Or “Are You Doing Enough to Stop Your Kid From Noticing Reality?”
     
    The media want that to be changed to a variation on Have you stopped beating your wife? Hard to overcome that fundamental conflict.
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  21. BB753 says:
    @Anonymous
    Good grief.

    http://www.drake.edu/philrel/faculty/jenniferharvey/

    Is she a man to woman transexual? Lady looks like a dude.

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  22. Dan Hayes says:
    @res
    The NYT Picks are even more out of step with the Reader's Picks than usual. The 4 NYT Pick comments have a total of 6 Recommends between them. In contrast to a current 50 Recommends for the comment you quoted.

    The SJWs must be feeling their oats to go after George Washington!

    P.S. For an idea of the author's background, here is her book: https://www.amazon.com/Dear-White-Christians-Reconciliation-Christianity-ebook/dp/B00QQKO5KY

    Anonym,

    The book’s author embraces “instead a reparations paradigm”.

    Who ever would have suspected that?

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  23. not only English, but also Spanish, as well as an “Asian language” were spoken.

    One can only pray that that “Asian language” is not Luwian. Look at all the trouble they caused, what with their horsey Trojan privilege and all.

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  24. DWright says:

    I have some historical knowledge about Martin Luther King I can share with the author if she is interested in updating long lost facts to her daughter.

    As far as that goes, we have Al Sharpton among us now and most of her ilk are unaware,or maybe don’t care, of his illegal and immoral actions.

    These people are demented or psychologically damaged.

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  25. WR says:
    @Anonymous
    Good grief.

    http://www.drake.edu/philrel/faculty/jenniferharvey/

    Is that thing a female member of the human species?

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  26. AP says:
    @Escher
    So far, the comments on the NYT website with the highest number of thumbs up are those that disagreed with the smug self-righteousness of the author.
    I think America has reached and passed peak "white guilt".

    Wall Street Journal, no less, has announced what you say:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-exhaustion-of-american-liberalism-1488751826

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  27. bomag says:

    A joke leaps out from almost every line of that piece:

    We talked about the importance of telling the whole truth, even when it’s hard.

    !!!

    Instead of teaching her daughter about great various-gendered-persons of other races, she singularly trashes George Washington.

    Her intrigue turned to horror.

    The zenith of the Left used to be when they got a child to denounce the parent as a counter-revolutionary. Now the parents are telling the kids that they are counter-revolutionary scum.

    Parents of black and Latino children have long made thoughtful choices about when and how to engage in difficult and nuanced discussions about difference. Studies show that such parents are two to five times more likely than whites to teach their children explicitly about race from very young ages to counter negative social messages and build a strong sense of identity.

    Oh yeah; never too young to explicitly point out who is the enemy.

    If we cataloged “negative social messages”, I wonder which race-that-does-not-exist would win that sweepstakes?

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    Parents of black and Latino children have long made thoughtful choices about when and how to engage in difficult and nuanced discussions about difference.
     
    Yep, I'm sure the "discussions" are always very "nuanced."
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  28. Jack D says:

    Take the racist George Washington off of the $1 bill and replace him with MLK. Change Washington, D.C. to MichaelBrownsville! Down with racis’s!

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  29. MarcB. says:
    @Escher
    So far, the comments on the NYT website with the highest number of thumbs up are those that disagreed with the smug self-righteousness of the author.
    I think America has reached and passed peak "white guilt".

    “I think America has reached and passed peak “white guilt”.

    I see 2013 as the year it jumped the shark, five years after being called racist started to lose it’s sting. It no longer works as a shut up word, even with mainstream conservative commentators. Trump’s rise could not have happened in 2015-16 unless the broader White culture hadn’t already been over it.

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  30. I have a sneaky suspicion that darker side of MLK Jr. won’t be discussed… You know womanizing, whoring, and violence against women behind the veil of being a pastor.

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  31. This is from one of the “NYTimes Picks” comments on the article.

    When my son was a baby, confronted with my own family’s casual and entrenched racism and sexism, I chose to move 2500 miles west. My logic at the time was that I could not in good conscience raise another white southern man.

    Let’s hope the Magic Dirt of Southern California was enough to cleanse her child of his White Male Blood Guilt.

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    Mikey, maybe an illegal in SoCal will bleed the badness out of her son. Problem fixed.
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  32. Clyde says:

    Another righteous NYT comment –

    Oakwood New York 3 hours ago—

    The assumption that racism is a uniquely white phenomenon is itself racist. Even with the most minor understanding of history or the slightest iota of cultural awareness, one can quickly understand that racism has been a constant throughout history and in every culture and ethnic group.
    In fact there isn’t a single nationality or ethnicity that isn’t racist. Not one.
    But until we start addressing that fact and stop using racism as the liberal go-to card when politics fail, racism will continue to live along side us.
    So please, enough with all this whiny, self serving moral outrage. What we need is scholarship and a deeper understanding of our selves.

    ******* As Unzites already know, NYT columns and articles on immigration usually get erudite anti-open borders comments that get high ratings as readers picks. Not that they would ever vote Trump or Republican, I know libs who despise Hussein Obama, GW Bush, Bill Clinton de facto open borders policies. Their take is no Trump wall, instead crack down hard on employers with mandatory e-verify and fines.

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  33. Silly racist woman. Of course her child is racist. White people are born that way. That’s why diversity is our strength. In diversity there are no white people.

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    ALL children are born that way.

    http://www.medicaldaily.com/can-babies-be-racist-infants-show-racial-bias-over-fairness-when-choosing-playmates-277196
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  34. Ganderson says:

    She lives in Des Moines, HA !

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  35. I reported previously on transgender athlete Lauren (formerly Michael) Jeska, who took World War T literally and allegedly tried to murder a (black) athletics administrator who s/he feared might strip him/her of his/her three consecutive English Women’s fellrunning titles.

    I must say it seems a tad unfair on the girls.

    S/he’s been sentenced to 18 years, after a long interval for doubtless a lot of social worker and psychiatrist reports. The poor chap she stabbed is not at all well (the attack triggered a stroke).

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4312594/Fell-runner-jailed-trying-murder-athletics-official.html

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3084853/lauren-jeska-transgender-fell-runner-jailed-stabbing-ralph-knibbs-british-athletics/

    Jeska’s brother Nick, 40, told The Sun she was in “mental torment” before the attack at the Alexander Stadium in Perry Barr.

    He said his twin Tim died in front of a train in 2013, adding: “I had two brothers, but one became my sister and the other killed himself.

    “What’s happened feels like a second death in the family.”

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    Jeska’s brother Nick, 40, told The Sun she was in “mental torment” before the attack at the Alexander Stadium in Perry Barr.

    He said his twin Tim died in front of a train in 2013, adding: “I had two brothers, but one became my sister and the other killed himself.

    “What’s happened feels like a second death in the family.”


    Real Bates Motel stuff here.
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  36. @Anonymous
    Good grief.

    http://www.drake.edu/philrel/faculty/jenniferharvey/

    She has that lesbian look. I wonder who the girl’s father is and what role he has in her enlightenment about the evils of white racism.

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    After perusing her website ( I do, so you don't have to! ) I found that she's a lesbian with a "Heather Has Two Mommies" household. She also is an ordained Baptist minister, presumably not of the southern kind.
    , @ganderson
    She's also not happy about the name of her hometown hockey team that won the Cup 2 years ago. A moonbat's moonbat.
    , @Ragno
    Let's just say she holds her liquor by the ears.
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  37. BenKenobi says:

    “Are we raising racists?”

    I know I am!

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  38. Flavius says:

    50 years of left wing politics has left us a nation comprised only of racists and with a word without an objective correlative, ie no longer means jack shit. Nice work!

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    Of course there is an objective correlative - there is a one to one relationship between white people and racists. All white people are racists and all racists are white, in Goodspeak.
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  39. Steve, admit it, you bribed the NY Times to publish that, just to drive traffic to your own site!

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  40. Twinkie says:

    1. Drake is joke of a school. It’s where the dim-witted with moneyed parents go in Iowa. See “About Schmidt.” So infer the status of someone who teaches there.

    2. The entire article can be summarized thusly: “I am morally superior to other whites – because I pretend to worship blacks.”

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    dim-witted with moneyed parents
     
    Looks like a pattern is emerging...

    https://twitter.com/DHalikias/status/841681512424734720
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  41. @Anonym
    Top rated comment:
    Oh my god enough already from the left. Stop it. ALL people of ALL races raise racist children. This constant attempt to turn white people into inherent villains even before we've left first grade is why the left loses elections.

    Up there:
    What makes this writer think that only white people can be racists?

    I appreciate that pick of comment and agree with the sentiment.

    But I’d add something. An article over Israel Shamir writes:

    This is a well-chosen book, likely to remind … that it is better to compromise than to try and reach for the sky. The Jews of Josephus could have it very good under benevolent Rome, but they overreached themselves and came to disaster.

    In addition to the target Shamir intends, his point applies to American conservatives, traditionalists, and people who think that European-Americans have a right to exist, and exist as cohesive cultures, and as cohesive cultures in the US in particular.

    There is nothing new about the forces that are allied in driving this insanity – they are Hobbesian in nature – that is: they are products of Game Theory which Hobbes recognized and thinkers all the way back to Plato were preoccupied with when they confronted the problems of social degenerecy.

    Until recently an entire reason the US has been spared this has been: it’s size, and it’s federalism.

    There are two ways to defeat the Hobbesian Tragedy. Direct warfare. This often results in defeat, especially for those sure of success – and when it doesn’t result in defeat, it often transforms the victor into the villain he strove to destroy.

    Or: walls. Regions, and walls. By walling it out, you cause it to choke on the vine.

    Meanwhile – while the sentiment of the comment is spot on – the attitudes of people in comments all over here, don’t help. Put away all words of hate. Argue to live, and let live – but take it beyond the individual and make it about cohesive communities. Don’t make it about race, unless you want to lose, make it about shared ancestry and culture. Rinse wash and repeat. Cohesive communities, cohesive culture, cohesive community, etc.
    Then work on building constitutional walls.

    That would really be the magic – if instead of a concrete wall with Mexico – if Trump brought back constitutional walls that worked. If he did that alone, he could fail at everything else, and we might get out of this OK.

    Meanwhile – we can bargain with the benevolent state for walled space – and I would bet high and long there are enough who voted for Trump and who would do that again, that you would get that concession.
    Or – like the zealots of Josephus’s time – some could try to defeat the state. Good luck with that.

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    Don’t make it about race, unless you want to lose,...

    You go tell SJW Whites, the NAACP, BLM, CAIR, La Raza, etc to stop making it about race/ethnicity -- to knock off all that shit about 'institutional racism' and 'white privilege' -- to agree to abolish affirmative action and 'disparate impact' in admissions and employment -- then report back.

    Whites have been basically making it about every race but their own forever -- and where has it gotten us? -- the anti-white rhetoric has only gotten worse to the point where in the media it's constantly raining shit on Whites -- and unless drastic action is taken, in a couple of generations we'll absolutely lose control of the country.

    Sorry, but from what I've seen over the last couple of decades, relying on the goodwill of non-whites by continuing to 'not make it about race' would be a huge mistake -- and it's not one I'm willing or going to make.

    Like I said before: s(h)ow weakness, reap contempt -- Whites have shown nothing but weakness by being accommodating -- by going along with all the 'diversity' talk long after it was apparent that it just meant fewer Whites -- and in return they've gotten contempt and hate.

    I've seen enough -- more than enough.

    You say if we make it about race we will lose -- but if we don't make it about race, numerically we will have no chance to win.

    It is about race -- whether people like you want to face that or not -- it's about preserving a majority white America -- or trying to -- because a majority white America has proven to be of unique historical value -- and more to the point of legitimate self-determination, because as Whites it's our country and that's the way we want it.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    There are two ways to defeat the Hobbesian Tragedy. Direct warfare. This often results in defeat, especially for those sure of success – and when it doesn’t result in defeat, it often transforms the victor into the villain he strove to destroy.
     
    You left out a sanctimonious appeal to “the better angels of our nature.”

    Argue to live, and let live – but take it beyond the individual and make it about cohesive communities. Don’t make it about race, unless you want to lose, make it about shared ancestry and culture.
     
    Self-contradictory. Isn’t “shared ancestry” race? If we are to “take it beyond the individual” and immediate family, race is the shared ancestry that matters.

    Rinse wash and repeat. Cohesive communities, cohesive culture, cohesive community, etc.
     
    Is cohesive the new comprehensive? Are you Marc Zuckurburg?

    Then work on building constitutional walls.
     
    I’m surprised you haven’t yet seen this classic rebuttal:

    https://twitter.com/GregEPaulson/status/739175738251743232

    That would really be the magic – if instead of a concrete wall with Mexico – if Trump brought back constitutional walls that worked.
     
    Instead? Why not both? Forget “magic.” Magic is the tool of con artists. Okay, maybe meme magic is real.

    You push the strange sentiment that survival no matter what is the ultimate meaning/goal of human existence. If survival entails subservient co-existence with the hostile and undeserving, then war is justified—and while costly and defeat is a risk—is often the only honorable and practical choice. Live Free or Die.

    I have no sympathy for those who willingly acquiesce to their own slavery, and I can’t help but notice with a gimlet eye those would convince me that temporary ‘harmony’ is the greatest good.
    , @Anonym
    I think your example of the Jews in Roman times is a flawed one. A tiny minority or small state in amongst the vast Roman Empire is a completely different situation to what we are - one of the world's major populations covering a large amount of territory -in the main, Europe, North America, Australia, New Zealand, parts of South America, formerly parts of Sub-Saharan Africa. And a population that has been subjected to brainwashing on multiple fronts - primarily entertainment, education, and the media. We are a population who are in the process of shrugging off that brainwashing and rebelling against the establishment view, partly through changing of opinion and partly through the next generations seeing the error of the ways of the baby boomer generation.

    Until now, the transition has been fairly peaceful but when we get representatives in power (government, media, entertainment, education), we will be in a much more commanding position. The state will be ours. At that time we can expect to harness the wheels of the state to get us back to the demographic balance before the treason of our governments, through repatriation, self-deportation, differing birthrates, AA weighted in our favor, even simple freedom of association or a combination thereof etc.
    , @dc.sunsets

    Or – like the zealots of Josephus’s time – some could try to defeat the state. Good luck with that.
     
    Who do you think IS the state? Or are you unfamiliar with:
    (1) Discourses on Voluntary Servitude?
    (2) History's funny habit of seeing things change?

    I submit that Leftism grew during the last couple centuries to become a religion so dominant that all Western nations became de facto theocracies.

    Cthulhu only turned left for 10 or 20 generations. But no tree grows to the sky. No trend lasts forever. This, too, is changing.

    The 21st century will be a time when the top stops spinning left and (at least for a time) spins right. The PEOPLE whose consent MAKES the state are turning hard right, and rather than fight the state, they will BE the state.

    Social mood is endogenously patterned. Herding behavior drives action, and action drives rationalization, and rationalization determines what ideas and beliefs will dominate.

    Stop predicting the future by staring in the rear view mirror.
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  42. Studies show that … [black and Latino] parents are two to five times more likely than whites to teach their children explicitly about race from very young ages to counter negative social messages and build a strong sense of identity.

    I suspect the messages conveyed by, respectively, black and Latino parents are rather different.

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    So she wants white identity politics now?
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  43. @Anonymous
    Good grief.

    http://www.drake.edu/philrel/faculty/jenniferharvey/

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  44. @Twinkie
    1. Drake is joke of a school. It's where the dim-witted with moneyed parents go in Iowa. See "About Schmidt." So infer the status of someone who teaches there.

    2. The entire article can be summarized thusly: "I am morally superior to other whites - because I pretend to worship blacks."

    dim-witted with moneyed parents

    Looks like a pattern is emerging…

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    More "kids" who can't cope with their lives of unearned wealth bequeathed by their (successful) parents and cultivate leftism as an alternative to cutting themselves.

    We put people who cut themselves in institutions to protect them.

    I say we start putting these snowflakes in institutions to protect the rest of us FROM them.

    OTOH, this will eventually solve itself. When the credit bubble and attendant asset mania finally end (this year? this decade?), they will discover they have a whole lot of NOTHING to feel guilty about.(*)

    Most of their families' wealth comes from that asset mania, and will disappear along with it.


    (*) Looks like bonds topped/interest rates bottomed last summer; if so, the delay timer is ticking...ticking...ticking....

    , @earthmoonsquaredcircle
    The chart doesn't prove anything, it plots every university in America. The most exclusive schools may attract more speakers because they are more prestigious. This gives the illiberals at those schools more opportunities to successfully deny platform, and make them better at doing so since they may be exposed to these speakers more frequently than less prestigious schools and get more practice and be more determined. We shouldn't forget that these speakers were invited to speak so there are people at these rich schools who want to hear the talk and respect free speech. More data needed.
    , @keuril
    Ironically, it's because Middlebury isn't a truly elite institution that their wealth disparity is so extreme. Middlebury also has a very low percentage of blacks. The schools with bigger endowments can buy their diversity. Schools like Midd can give few free rides to the needy so the school becomes a country club, nicknamed Club Midd.
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  45. Arclight says:

    The answer to the question in the headline is “yes” but not in the way the author intends.

    As others have noted, I think we’ve passed peak white guilt – a majority of whites in this country are no longer going to silently let SJWs take a crap on them for the crime of being born.

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  46. @Anonym
    Top rated comment:
    Oh my god enough already from the left. Stop it. ALL people of ALL races raise racist children. This constant attempt to turn white people into inherent villains even before we've left first grade is why the left loses elections.

    Up there:
    What makes this writer think that only white people can be racists?

    What makes this writer think that only white people can be racists?

    Because that was what the term was intended to mean from the very beginning. It’s not a word, it’s a weapon.

    What makes you think you can use the enemy’s word against him? It’s inherently dishonest, so it’s dishonest of you as well.

    Stick to real words. Get a dictionary older than Dodger Stadium.

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    The current definition of "racism" is indeed a strategic weapon.

    A cut to the conclusion doesn’t offer much hope for any racial reconciliation, regardless of what is taught, when these are prominent “anti-racist” voices.

    The below “definition of racism” is from Dr. Frances Cress Welsing, an American Afro-centrist psychiatrist, who gets much attention in the black community for her 1970 essay, The Cress Theory of Color-Confrontation and Racism, and her interpretation of the origins of what she described as white supremacy culture.


    “Racism (White Supremacy) is the local and global power system and dynamic, structured and maintained by persons who classify themselves as white, whether consciously or subconsciously determined, which consists of patterns of perception, logic, symbol formation, thought, speech, action and emotional response, as conducted simultaneously in all areas of people activity (economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war), for the ultimate purpose of white genetic survival and to prevent white genetic annihilation on planet earth - a planet upon which the vast and overwhelming majority of people are classified as nonwhite (black, brown, red and yellow) by white skinned people, and all nonwhite people are genetically dominant (in terms of skin coloration) compared to the genetic recessive white skin people.”

     

    Good to know that she admits her desire for “white genetic annihilation on planet earth” and nonwhite genetic “dominance.” Now I know what to expect next.

    And Neely Fuller, Jr., who describes himself as “a long-time Victim of and Servant to Racism (White Supremacy) in all areas of activity,” gets profuse admiration from liberal churches, social grievance warriors, and white-guilt liberals for his books, videos, and most notorious quotations, for example:


    “No major problem that exists between the people of the known universe can be eliminated, until Racism is eliminated.

    The only form of functional Racism that exists among the people of the known universe is “White Supremacy.”

    As long as Racism exists, anything said or done by people that is not intended to help eliminate Racism and to help produce justice, is a waste of time and energy.”

     

    , @Anonym
    Because that was what the term was intended to mean from the very beginning. It’s not a word, it’s a weapon.

    Exactly. Which is why I don't use the term. If I'm going to make a comment about anti-whitism, I'll use the term "anti-white" rather than a Marxist-designed footgun.

    What makes you think you can use the enemy’s word against him? It’s inherently dishonest, so it’s dishonest of you as well.

    If it wasn't obvious, these are not comments that I have written, these are NYT reader's pick comments. As I have written elsewhere above, the point is that there has been a sea change in NYT online reader opinion that has taken place over the last couple of years, probably more like the last 6-12 months, where presumed liberals are writing comments like this and gaining enough support to make them top rated comments.

    Baby steps. One can't expect these people to emerge from the liberal cocoon citing Sailer let alone KMac for example. They have to come to their understanding independently, groping as they will with their Sapir-Whorf enfeebled brain, despite the pain of cognitive dissonance. Just be glad they aren't using terms like "reverse racism".
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  47. This article is why I won’t click on the NYT or WaPo. And in other news, our beta governor Andrew Cuomo has declared a state of emergency for NYS due to the impending snow storm, so all schools in WNY declared a snow day, with more to follow. So far we have received less than six inches of very light snow and the best remark of the day goes to Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz who said…”Well the schools had unused snow days, so they decided to take them.”

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  48. Orthodox says:

    I assume she also taught her daughter that Martin Luther King was a communist, an ideology that murdered over 100 million people in the 20th Century. He was also a womanizer and a plagiarist.

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  49. jjbees says:

    https://jenniferharveydotorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/image-version-2.jpg?w=273&h=300

    I refuse to take advice from a person with this much s*** in her face.

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  50. @SPMoore8
    Like any other poster in the NE, I am snowbound so probably spending way too much time on this. However, the comments to this piece are really a hoot. In the first place, most commenters are using the article as a platform to signal not only what wonderful parents they are but also what wonderful children they have. Highlights include:

    -- The San Franciscan who insists that first graders spend all of their time talking about racial differences, privilege, and police brutality.

    -- The woman whose daughter attended pre-school where not only English, but also Spanish, as well as an "Asian language" were spoken.

    -- The father who insisted on lecturing his 9 year old son on sexual violence when his son discovered that slaveowners sometimes had children by their slaves.

    -- The mother whose daughter found out someone who was black, just like the androgynous athleticism of another girl (read: 6 year old lesbian) or the boy who wanted to direct Broadway shows (read: 5 year old gay person).

    Of course, all of this is being blamed on Trump.

    It would be interesting to hear the father talk to his son about Martin Luther King’s penchant for beating the living hell out of the white hookers that he procured. (No doubt with his own money;I am sure he wouldn’t use any of that civil rights money!)

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  51. Ragno says:
    @Anonym
    Top rated comment:
    Oh my god enough already from the left. Stop it. ALL people of ALL races raise racist children. This constant attempt to turn white people into inherent villains even before we've left first grade is why the left loses elections.

    Up there:
    What makes this writer think that only white people can be racists?

    Oh my god enough already from the left. Stop it. This constant attempt to turn white people into inherent villains even before we’ve left first grade is why the left loses elections.

    Losing elections if we’re lucky. Because this constant drip-drip-drip Chinese water torture of hate-Whitey propaganda that Corporate Media sees fit to marinate us all in 24/7/365 cannot help but create and awaken Breiviks. (Yes, in the plural.)

    Which, let’s face it, is what the Left crosses their fingers hoping for everyday – a chance to preen ‘See? Y’SEE now?’ before mau-mauing the mulching of the Bill of Rights through both houses of Congress. (But then what have they wrought in this world that hasn’t backfired disastrously on mankind?)

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  52. @Escher
    So far, the comments on the NYT website with the highest number of thumbs up are those that disagreed with the smug self-righteousness of the author.
    I think America has reached and passed peak "white guilt".

    I think progressives like the nitwit author of the Times piece also sense America is losing its white guilt. But in doubling-down to point of hysteria over the issue, she makes herself more repellent to all us honky heretics – and reveal her goals as slop of a sanctimonious buffoon.

    We always can tell when commenters effectively assail a piece: Commenting shuts down as quickly as it did here.

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  53. At what point can we say that white privilege no longer exists? What are the objective criteria for America being certified by our moral leaders to be racism free? When will I be able to not have to lower my white face in shame for my racial sins? When will we not have to lay guilt trips on 7 year old white children and make them feel bad for who they are?

    Rather then wondering when this future utopia will arrive I think it would be healthier and more productive to simply laugh at people like J.H. March. Laugh at them loudly and in public.

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  54. CCZ says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    What makes this writer think that only white people can be racists?
     
    Because that was what the term was intended to mean from the very beginning. It's not a word, it's a weapon.

    What makes you think you can use the enemy's word against him? It's inherently dishonest, so it's dishonest of you as well.

    Stick to real words. Get a dictionary older than Dodger Stadium.

    The current definition of “racism” is indeed a strategic weapon.

    A cut to the conclusion doesn’t offer much hope for any racial reconciliation, regardless of what is taught, when these are prominent “anti-racist” voices.

    The below “definition of racism” is from Dr. Frances Cress Welsing, an American Afro-centrist psychiatrist, who gets much attention in the black community for her 1970 essay, The Cress Theory of Color-Confrontation and Racism, and her interpretation of the origins of what she described as white supremacy culture.

    “Racism (White Supremacy) is the local and global power system and dynamic, structured and maintained by persons who classify themselves as white, whether consciously or subconsciously determined, which consists of patterns of perception, logic, symbol formation, thought, speech, action and emotional response, as conducted simultaneously in all areas of people activity (economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war), for the ultimate purpose of white genetic survival and to prevent white genetic annihilation on planet earth – a planet upon which the vast and overwhelming majority of people are classified as nonwhite (black, brown, red and yellow) by white skinned people, and all nonwhite people are genetically dominant (in terms of skin coloration) compared to the genetic recessive white skin people.”

    Good to know that she admits her desire for “white genetic annihilation on planet earth” and nonwhite genetic “dominance.” Now I know what to expect next.

    And Neely Fuller, Jr., who describes himself as “a long-time Victim of and Servant to Racism (White Supremacy) in all areas of activity,” gets profuse admiration from liberal churches, social grievance warriors, and white-guilt liberals for his books, videos, and most notorious quotations, for example:

    “No major problem that exists between the people of the known universe can be eliminated, until Racism is eliminated.

    The only form of functional Racism that exists among the people of the known universe is “White Supremacy.”

    As long as Racism exists, anything said or done by people that is not intended to help eliminate Racism and to help produce justice, is a waste of time and energy.”

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  55. Abe says: • Website
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    If this mother wants to be consistent, instead of telling her daughter that Washington was a bad man because he owned black people as slaves, she should instead be teaching her daughter that she is an undeserving recipient of white privilege, which is why Mommy is going to take all of her toys and clothes and put them out on the street so that all the children of color can play with them. Then Mommy can resign her position as a Professor of Religion, which assuredly must be due to white privilege on some level, and she and her daughter can go live in the back of a station wagon. Meanwhile, she should also explain that religion is a giant ripoff and validates white privilege and the rule of the strong over the weak, and that that is unjust, because everyone should be the same.

    Instead we get virtue signaling hogwash like this.

    If this mother wants to be consistent, instead of telling her daughter

    “As a white woman, I need to be taught so I can teach others!”

    Of course, at some level, every white woman who says stuff like this really means: “Please tell me what I have to say so that people like and respect me and make me feel like I belong. And if you don’t like the sound of that, white man, maybe you should grow a pair and take control of the social situation and fix things so that I don’t have to bow and scrape and lie like this just to get by. PS: I still want you to want to wash the dishes.”

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  56. Jake says:

    The SJW/anti-racists/pro-gay and pro-tranny folks are viciously insane. Nothing short of slaughtering millions of us and leaving the rest of us destitute will satisfy them.

    We need to effect a peaceful separation ASAP.

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  57. @Anonymous Nephew
    I reported previously on transgender athlete Lauren (formerly Michael) Jeska, who took World War T literally and allegedly tried to murder a (black) athletics administrator who s/he feared might strip him/her of his/her three consecutive English Women's fellrunning titles.

    I must say it seems a tad unfair on the girls.

    S/he's been sentenced to 18 years, after a long interval for doubtless a lot of social worker and psychiatrist reports. The poor chap she stabbed is not at all well (the attack triggered a stroke).

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4312594/Fell-runner-jailed-trying-murder-athletics-official.html

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3084853/lauren-jeska-transgender-fell-runner-jailed-stabbing-ralph-knibbs-british-athletics/

    Jeska’s brother Nick, 40, told The Sun she was in “mental torment” before the attack at the Alexander Stadium in Perry Barr.

    He said his twin Tim died in front of a train in 2013, adding: “I had two brothers, but one became my sister and the other killed himself.

    “What’s happened feels like a second death in the family."
     

    Jeska’s brother Nick, 40, told The Sun she was in “mental torment” before the attack at the Alexander Stadium in Perry Barr.

    He said his twin Tim died in front of a train in 2013, adding: “I had two brothers, but one became my sister and the other killed himself.

    “What’s happened feels like a second death in the family.”

    Real Bates Motel stuff here.

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  58. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Hmmm..

    “Four days after the election I went for a run on the trail near my house. As I approached each person on the trail I wondered “Is this person gloating and gleeful? Are they relishing an outcome that has me and so many folks beloved to me feeling violated and terrified?” I felt raw, afraid and angry. Self-protective. I wanted to know..”

    https://livingformations.com/2016/12/22/now-that-its-official-back-to-that-whole-safety-pin-thing/

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  59. @Desiderius

    dim-witted with moneyed parents
     
    Looks like a pattern is emerging...

    https://twitter.com/DHalikias/status/841681512424734720

    More “kids” who can’t cope with their lives of unearned wealth bequeathed by their (successful) parents and cultivate leftism as an alternative to cutting themselves.

    We put people who cut themselves in institutions to protect them.

    I say we start putting these snowflakes in institutions to protect the rest of us FROM them.

    OTOH, this will eventually solve itself. When the credit bubble and attendant asset mania finally end (this year? this decade?), they will discover they have a whole lot of NOTHING to feel guilty about.(*)

    Most of their families’ wealth comes from that asset mania, and will disappear along with it.

    (*) Looks like bonds topped/interest rates bottomed last summer; if so, the delay timer is ticking…ticking…ticking….

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  60. @jjbees
    https://jenniferharveydotorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/image-version-2.jpg?w=273&h=300

    I refuse to take advice from a person with this much s*** in her face.

    That’s a woman?

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  61. @Barnard

    Last year at this time, my 7-year-old was running around singing the praises of George Washington.
     
    My nephew learned the song, "George Washington, George Washington, he was a great, great man" at about that age in public school. I was surprised it hadn't been purged yet.

    After I told my daughter the whole story, she asked, “If Washington held slaves, why do we celebrate him as if he was such a great man?”
     
    I have a feeling Jennifer Harvey doesn't teach her daughter to have this level of scrutiny towards
    every historical figure. Although I it wouldn't surprise me if they are already telling them about Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings.

    Note the Dickensian paraphrase of whatever the (surrogate?) child actually burbled. From the mouths of babes comes valuable propaganda.

    I’m reminded of the post-election “What am I going to tell my children?” Tell them that democracy has taken place. Maybe you shouldn’t have filled their heads with images of the coming putsch in the first place.

    Teaching 6-year-olds, who are already prone to magical thinking, that they are “systemically” responsible for the suffering of strangers is a sure way to establish an abiding psychological trauma. They are raising a nation of neurotics.

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  62. @Desiderius

    dim-witted with moneyed parents
     
    Looks like a pattern is emerging...

    https://twitter.com/DHalikias/status/841681512424734720

    The chart doesn’t prove anything, it plots every university in America. The most exclusive schools may attract more speakers because they are more prestigious. This gives the illiberals at those schools more opportunities to successfully deny platform, and make them better at doing so since they may be exposed to these speakers more frequently than less prestigious schools and get more practice and be more determined. We shouldn’t forget that these speakers were invited to speak so there are people at these rich schools who want to hear the talk and respect free speech. More data needed.

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  63. @International Jew

    Studies show that ... [black and Latino] parents are two to five times more likely than whites to teach their children explicitly about race from very young ages to counter negative social messages and build a strong sense of identity.
     
    I suspect the messages conveyed by, respectively, black and Latino parents are rather different.

    So she wants white identity politics now?

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  64. Jack D says:
    @Flavius
    50 years of left wing politics has left us a nation comprised only of racists and with a word without an objective correlative, ie no longer means jack shit. Nice work!

    Of course there is an objective correlative – there is a one to one relationship between white people and racists. All white people are racists and all racists are white, in Goodspeak.

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  65. LA Times, 03/14/17 – People overestimate the size of black men, perceive them as more threatening than white men, study finds

    http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-black-men-threatening-20170313-story.html#nt=oft12aH-2li3

    People consistently perceive black men to be bigger and more muscular than they actually are — and as more of a threat — than they do white men of the same size, a new study shows. The findings, presented in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, shed light on the deadly link that such misconceptions might have to police shootings of unarmed black men.

    “Across a range of different stimuli and dependent variables, perceivers showed a consistent and strong bias to perceive young Black men as larger and more capable of harm than young White men (at least among non-Black participants),” the study authors wrote. “Such perceptions may have disturbing consequences for how both civilians and law enforcement personnel perceive and behave toward Black individuals.”

    Black men and women are physically stereotyped in many contexts — described as “natural” athletes instead of “intelligent” ones, for example, or able to bear inordinate amounts of pain and suffering in depictions in entertainment and pop culture.

    “Black people are often dehumanized but also super-humanized; this means that people will attribute superhuman characteristics to black people,”…

    researchers tested whether study participants viewed white and black men differently, even when they were largely of the same height and weight. For example, when shown individual images of 45 white and 45 black faces taken from a college football recruiting website, participants estimated the black football players’ heights and weights to be higher than those of the white players (even though, incidentally, the white players were ever-so-slightly taller and heavier than the black players pictured)…

    Other rounds of the experiment showed that black men were also perceived as stronger and more muscular than equivalent white men, with more upper body strength (a proxy for fighting ability)…

    Overall, the participants gauged black men to be “more capable of harm” than white men, even though the scientists had equalized both white and black men for size…

    Their answers revealed that, as the scientists had suspected, participants judged the use of force as more appropriate against a black man than against a white one…

    “People judged Black men as larger and more harmful than White men, thus rendering them more suitable recipients of physical force,”…

    When police officers shoot unarmed black men, the justifications given after the fact typically involve descriptions of the victim’s size and formidability — and those descriptions often turn out to have been wildly inaccurate. Among the many examples littering the news in recent years, the scientists pointed to Dontre Hamilton, shot 14 times by a white police officer in Milwaukee who testified that Hamilton was “muscular” and “most definitely would have overpowered … me or pretty much any officer I can think of.” Hamilton, according to his autopsy, was just 5-foot-7 and weighed 169 pounds… [This guy is built like a fire hydrant!]

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    When police officers shoot unarmed black men, the justifications given after the fact typically involve descriptions of the victim’s size and formidability
     
    Or maybe it's just that the know the actual reality of "unarmed."

    "Unarmed" people use fists and feet to kill more people that those armed with shotguns and rifles, year in and year out.

    I sincerely wish that the next twenty people who use "unarmed" synonymously with "harmless" would get in a boxing ring with me.

    I'd settle for them standing near the heavy bag as I throw a full power left into it, after which I'd ask them what it would mean if they were standing where the bag was when I hit it.

    For smaller men and all women, I'd love to see the look on their faces.
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  66. keuril says:
    @Desiderius

    dim-witted with moneyed parents
     
    Looks like a pattern is emerging...

    https://twitter.com/DHalikias/status/841681512424734720

    Ironically, it’s because Middlebury isn’t a truly elite institution that their wealth disparity is so extreme. Middlebury also has a very low percentage of blacks. The schools with bigger endowments can buy their diversity. Schools like Midd can give few free rides to the needy so the school becomes a country club, nicknamed Club Midd.

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  67. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    This has been going on for longer than many people realize. Reference Jane Elliott’s ‘blue eyes-brown eyes exercise’ imposed upon grammar school children starting back in ’68 which appears to be a form of child abuse; other people’s children, that is. She’s another lesbian also. Is there a pattern here?

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  68. NYT: “Are We Raising Racists?”

    Times readers?

    No, their bigotry is principally class-based/regional.

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  69. Yak-15 says:

    Reading these articles is the equivalent of watching Bagdad Bob talk about how Saddam’s forces were winning gloriously.

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  70. @keuril
    Ironically, it's because Middlebury isn't a truly elite institution that their wealth disparity is so extreme. Middlebury also has a very low percentage of blacks. The schools with bigger endowments can buy their diversity. Schools like Midd can give few free rides to the needy so the school becomes a country club, nicknamed Club Midd.

    Usually, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford fight a see-saw battle to see who can get the highest percentage of blacks in their freshman class. That’s what $100 billion in endowments lets you do.

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    The socioeconomic disparities at elite colleges have heretofore received a lot less attention than racial issues. But now the wealth gap is receiving the Chetty treatment. Extensive, five-day coverage at the Williams alum blog starting here: http://ephblog.com/2017/01/23/eop-i/
    , @Jack Hanson
    Also the reason why there's always some Igbo who gets accepted to all the Ivies.
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  71. >are we raising racists?

    Let’s hope so

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  72. @Tiny Duck
    The problem is not white parents, it's homogeneous communities.

    The largest vestige of racism is this country are Private Golf Country Clubs. The members are racists and antisemites. You can't change the adults, but it is a shame that they bring their children there to teach the next generation to not want to associate with the "other babies".

    Yes, the Supreme Court has found, on many occasions, that people have the right to privacy and the right to associate with "there own kind". Basically, to be racist in the privacy of their golf courses and eating/drinking clubs.
    Bad
    Sad

    Like I said, if communities are not white majority then evil will continuie

    TD, Damn the Supreme Court for using the wrong “there” in “their” opinion. Damn stupid white privileged justices, except for the black guy and the Latinx.

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  73. @SPMoore8
    If this mother wants to be consistent, instead of telling her daughter that Washington was a bad man because he owned black people as slaves, she should instead be teaching her daughter that she is an undeserving recipient of white privilege, which is why Mommy is going to take all of her toys and clothes and put them out on the street so that all the children of color can play with them. Then Mommy can resign her position as a Professor of Religion, which assuredly must be due to white privilege on some level, and she and her daughter can go live in the back of a station wagon. Meanwhile, she should also explain that religion is a giant ripoff and validates white privilege and the rule of the strong over the weak, and that that is unjust, because everyone should be the same.

    Instead we get virtue signaling hogwash like this.

    I really don’t understand why we can’t take yes for an answer anymore. Here’s what Washington wrote in 1786:

    “I hope it will not be conceived from these observations, that it is my wish to hold the unhappy people who are the subject of this letter, in slavery. I can only say that there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it—but there is only one proper and effectual mode by which it can be accomplished, & that is by Legislative authority: and this, as far as my suffrage will go, shall never be wanting.”

    And of course Washington freed his slaves at his death. There’s a reason “Washington” is the most disproportionately black of all American last names- for freed slaves, identifying with the founders of the country and with national identity was crucial to a sense of equality.

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    As the token Southern student at my midwestern law school, I was frequently disabusing classmates, and even faculty, of nonsense they believed about my homeland's past and present.

    I vividly remember the day I explained to a black friend that Robert E. Lee manumitted his slaves in 1862. (He'd inherited them from his father-in-law. Lee himself grew up in poverty in Alexandria; until the inheritance he, like the vast majority of white Southerners, owned no slaves.) Before the manumission, he'd established an illegal school for slaves on the inherited (from his father-in-law) plantation in Arlington. He later worked to liberate slaves and fund their transportation to Liberia, and petitioned slaveholders to free their slaves and allow them to serve in the Confederate Army.

    The guy's head almost exploded. All he'd ever been told was that Lee was, in today's parlance, "literally Hitler." He seemed genuinely embarrassed and thankful to me for educating him once he confirmed the truth of the matter, and a little cheesed off at having been conned his whole life.

    There are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. — Robert Edward Lee (1856)
     
    From his pen to God's eyes....
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  74. ganderson says:
    @Ripple Earthdevil
    She has that lesbian look. I wonder who the girl's father is and what role he has in her enlightenment about the evils of white racism.

    After perusing her website ( I do, so you don’t have to! ) I found that she’s a lesbian with a “Heather Has Two Mommies” household. She also is an ordained Baptist minister, presumably not of the southern kind.

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    After perusing her website ( I do, so you don’t have to! ) I found that she’s a lesbian with a “Heather Has Two Mommies” household. She also is an ordained Baptist minister, presumably not of the southern kind.
     
    I assumed that based on her picture. Of course, that's just an unfair stereotype. And, of course, it was right.
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  75. eah says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    I appreciate that pick of comment and agree with the sentiment.

    But I'd add something. An article over Israel Shamir writes:


    This is a well-chosen book, likely to remind ... that it is better to compromise than to try and reach for the sky. The Jews of Josephus could have it very good under benevolent Rome, but they overreached themselves and came to disaster.
     
    In addition to the target Shamir intends, his point applies to American conservatives, traditionalists, and people who think that European-Americans have a right to exist, and exist as cohesive cultures, and as cohesive cultures in the US in particular.

    There is nothing new about the forces that are allied in driving this insanity - they are Hobbesian in nature - that is: they are products of Game Theory which Hobbes recognized and thinkers all the way back to Plato were preoccupied with when they confronted the problems of social degenerecy.

    Until recently an entire reason the US has been spared this has been: it's size, and it's federalism.

    There are two ways to defeat the Hobbesian Tragedy. Direct warfare. This often results in defeat, especially for those sure of success - and when it doesn't result in defeat, it often transforms the victor into the villain he strove to destroy.

    Or: walls. Regions, and walls. By walling it out, you cause it to choke on the vine.

    Meanwhile - while the sentiment of the comment is spot on - the attitudes of people in comments all over here, don't help. Put away all words of hate. Argue to live, and let live - but take it beyond the individual and make it about cohesive communities. Don't make it about race, unless you want to lose, make it about shared ancestry and culture. Rinse wash and repeat. Cohesive communities, cohesive culture, cohesive community, etc.
    Then work on building constitutional walls.

    That would really be the magic - if instead of a concrete wall with Mexico - if Trump brought back constitutional walls that worked. If he did that alone, he could fail at everything else, and we might get out of this OK.

    Meanwhile - we can bargain with the benevolent state for walled space - and I would bet high and long there are enough who voted for Trump and who would do that again, that you would get that concession.
    Or - like the zealots of Josephus's time - some could try to defeat the state. Good luck with that.

    Don’t make it about race, unless you want to lose,…

    You go tell SJW Whites, the NAACP, BLM, CAIR, La Raza, etc to stop making it about race/ethnicity — to knock off all that shit about ‘institutional racism’ and ‘white privilege’ — to agree to abolish affirmative action and ‘disparate impact’ in admissions and employment — then report back.

    Whites have been basically making it about every race but their own forever — and where has it gotten us? — the anti-white rhetoric has only gotten worse to the point where in the media it’s constantly raining shit on Whites — and unless drastic action is taken, in a couple of generations we’ll absolutely lose control of the country.

    Sorry, but from what I’ve seen over the last couple of decades, relying on the goodwill of non-whites by continuing to ‘not make it about race’ would be a huge mistake — and it’s not one I’m willing or going to make.

    Like I said before: s(h)ow weakness, reap contempt — Whites have shown nothing but weakness by being accommodating — by going along with all the ‘diversity’ talk long after it was apparent that it just meant fewer Whites — and in return they’ve gotten contempt and hate.

    I’ve seen enough — more than enough.

    You say if we make it about race we will lose — but if we don’t make it about race, numerically we will have no chance to win.

    It is about race — whether people like you want to face that or not — it’s about preserving a majority white America — or trying to — because a majority white America has proven to be of unique historical value — and more to the point of legitimate self-determination, because as Whites it’s our country and that’s the way we want it.

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  76. @Mikey Darmody
    This is from one of the "NYTimes Picks" comments on the article.

    When my son was a baby, confronted with my own family's casual and entrenched racism and sexism, I chose to move 2500 miles west. My logic at the time was that I could not in good conscience raise another white southern man.
     
    Let's hope the Magic Dirt of Southern California was enough to cleanse her child of his White Male Blood Guilt.

    Mikey, maybe an illegal in SoCal will bleed the badness out of her son. Problem fixed.

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  77. ganderson says:
    @Ripple Earthdevil
    She has that lesbian look. I wonder who the girl's father is and what role he has in her enlightenment about the evils of white racism.

    She’s also not happy about the name of her hometown hockey team that won the Cup 2 years ago. A moonbat’s moonbat.

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  78. President Washington was a bad man , regardless of the sacrifice he made to essentially found the country that you live in ,little darling. Also remember that everybody is created equal, but as a white child you must treat black and hispanic people much better than you do white people lest you be called racist and mommy and daddy would have to go to racial sensitvity training and be looked down on by our social media friends. Daddy and mommy could also lose their jobs. So if little Tobey or Jose want your lunch money just give it to them, because as white person you owe them.

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  79. Yes, this author (I use the term loosely) at the NYT is doing her best to help raise racists.

    Does the left really think that using past grievances and screaming white privilege at every chance is going to NOT RAISE RACISTS to hate white people? You really think that it’s only your child that is going to think about being a better person OR is it really only going to grow resentment in the children of POC?

    It’s the latter and we have ample evidence of that happening already.

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    Hey, it worked for Obama, their exemplar of all things just and true.
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  80. keuril says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Usually, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford fight a see-saw battle to see who can get the highest percentage of blacks in their freshman class. That's what $100 billion in endowments lets you do.

    The socioeconomic disparities at elite colleges have heretofore received a lot less attention than racial issues. But now the wealth gap is receiving the Chetty treatment. Extensive, five-day coverage at the Williams alum blog starting here: http://ephblog.com/2017/01/23/eop-i/

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  81. Kylie says:
    @Jasper Been
    That's a woman?

    That’s a human?

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  82. Ivy says:
    @jacobsson
    Or "Are You Doing Enough to Stop Your Kid From Noticing Reality?"

    Or “Are You Doing Enough to Stop Your Kid From Noticing Reality?”

    The media want that to be changed to a variation on Have you stopped beating your wife? Hard to overcome that fundamental conflict.

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  83. @Steve Sailer
    Usually, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford fight a see-saw battle to see who can get the highest percentage of blacks in their freshman class. That's what $100 billion in endowments lets you do.

    Also the reason why there’s always some Igbo who gets accepted to all the Ivies.

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  84. @Buck Turgidson
    This is in Iowa. Iowa, people, for crying out loud. Leftists in Iowa love their 'Jennifers' (who needs to be institutionalized, but instead is tenured making good bank and doing sweet F.A.), and overcompensate for their insecurity from living in flyover country. Iowan leftist moron feminists think that the *really* cool leftist hipsters in LA and NY laugh at them b/c they couldn't possibly be as postmodern, hip, deconstructionist, or LGBTVZ as the kewl postmodern feminist kids on either coast. The Iowans overcompensate for their leftist inferiority complex by going double-down, full-on off-the-reservation feminist postmodern retard. Check out Iowa City or Madison, where you will find some of the most unhinged violent mentally ill purple-haired nose-ringed tatted-out psycho-lunatics on the planet. They have to work a little harder at it than the east or west coast hipsters.

    Iowan leftist moron feminists think that the *really* cool leftist hipsters in LA and NY laugh at them b/c they couldn’t possibly be as postmodern, hip, deconstructionist, or LGBTVZ as the kewl postmodern feminist kids on either coast. The Iowans overcompensate for their leftist inferiority complex by going double-down, full-on off-the-reservation feminist postmodern retard.

    Yes, I’m afraid this is pretty accurate. A typical midwestern lefty constucts an ediface of pomo cool on a deep, solid foundation of hard-won culturally-conveyed earnestness. The result is an especially relentless and humorless ‘ironic playfulness’.

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  85. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    I appreciate that pick of comment and agree with the sentiment.

    But I'd add something. An article over Israel Shamir writes:


    This is a well-chosen book, likely to remind ... that it is better to compromise than to try and reach for the sky. The Jews of Josephus could have it very good under benevolent Rome, but they overreached themselves and came to disaster.
     
    In addition to the target Shamir intends, his point applies to American conservatives, traditionalists, and people who think that European-Americans have a right to exist, and exist as cohesive cultures, and as cohesive cultures in the US in particular.

    There is nothing new about the forces that are allied in driving this insanity - they are Hobbesian in nature - that is: they are products of Game Theory which Hobbes recognized and thinkers all the way back to Plato were preoccupied with when they confronted the problems of social degenerecy.

    Until recently an entire reason the US has been spared this has been: it's size, and it's federalism.

    There are two ways to defeat the Hobbesian Tragedy. Direct warfare. This often results in defeat, especially for those sure of success - and when it doesn't result in defeat, it often transforms the victor into the villain he strove to destroy.

    Or: walls. Regions, and walls. By walling it out, you cause it to choke on the vine.

    Meanwhile - while the sentiment of the comment is spot on - the attitudes of people in comments all over here, don't help. Put away all words of hate. Argue to live, and let live - but take it beyond the individual and make it about cohesive communities. Don't make it about race, unless you want to lose, make it about shared ancestry and culture. Rinse wash and repeat. Cohesive communities, cohesive culture, cohesive community, etc.
    Then work on building constitutional walls.

    That would really be the magic - if instead of a concrete wall with Mexico - if Trump brought back constitutional walls that worked. If he did that alone, he could fail at everything else, and we might get out of this OK.

    Meanwhile - we can bargain with the benevolent state for walled space - and I would bet high and long there are enough who voted for Trump and who would do that again, that you would get that concession.
    Or - like the zealots of Josephus's time - some could try to defeat the state. Good luck with that.

    There are two ways to defeat the Hobbesian Tragedy. Direct warfare. This often results in defeat, especially for those sure of success – and when it doesn’t result in defeat, it often transforms the victor into the villain he strove to destroy.

    You left out a sanctimonious appeal to “the better angels of our nature.”

    Argue to live, and let live – but take it beyond the individual and make it about cohesive communities. Don’t make it about race, unless you want to lose, make it about shared ancestry and culture.

    Self-contradictory. Isn’t “shared ancestry” race? If we are to “take it beyond the individual” and immediate family, race is the shared ancestry that matters.

    Rinse wash and repeat. Cohesive communities, cohesive culture, cohesive community, etc.

    Is cohesive the new comprehensive? Are you Marc Zuckurburg?

    Then work on building constitutional walls.

    I’m surprised you haven’t yet seen this classic rebuttal:

    That would really be the magic – if instead of a concrete wall with Mexico – if Trump brought back constitutional walls that worked.

    Instead? Why not both? Forget “magic.” Magic is the tool of con artists. Okay, maybe meme magic is real.

    You push the strange sentiment that survival no matter what is the ultimate meaning/goal of human existence. If survival entails subservient co-existence with the hostile and undeserving, then war is justified—and while costly and defeat is a risk—is often the only honorable and practical choice. Live Free or Die.

    I have no sympathy for those who willingly acquiesce to their own slavery, and I can’t help but notice with a gimlet eye those would convince me that temporary ‘harmony’ is the greatest good.

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    So the choice you present is slavery or race war, eh?
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  86. Anonym says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    What makes this writer think that only white people can be racists?
     
    Because that was what the term was intended to mean from the very beginning. It's not a word, it's a weapon.

    What makes you think you can use the enemy's word against him? It's inherently dishonest, so it's dishonest of you as well.

    Stick to real words. Get a dictionary older than Dodger Stadium.

    Because that was what the term was intended to mean from the very beginning. It’s not a word, it’s a weapon.

    Exactly. Which is why I don’t use the term. If I’m going to make a comment about anti-whitism, I’ll use the term “anti-white” rather than a Marxist-designed footgun.

    What makes you think you can use the enemy’s word against him? It’s inherently dishonest, so it’s dishonest of you as well.

    If it wasn’t obvious, these are not comments that I have written, these are NYT reader’s pick comments. As I have written elsewhere above, the point is that there has been a sea change in NYT online reader opinion that has taken place over the last couple of years, probably more like the last 6-12 months, where presumed liberals are writing comments like this and gaining enough support to make them top rated comments.

    Baby steps. One can’t expect these people to emerge from the liberal cocoon citing Sailer let alone KMac for example. They have to come to their understanding independently, groping as they will with their Sapir-Whorf enfeebled brain, despite the pain of cognitive dissonance. Just be glad they aren’t using terms like “reverse racism”.

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  87. Anonym says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    I appreciate that pick of comment and agree with the sentiment.

    But I'd add something. An article over Israel Shamir writes:


    This is a well-chosen book, likely to remind ... that it is better to compromise than to try and reach for the sky. The Jews of Josephus could have it very good under benevolent Rome, but they overreached themselves and came to disaster.
     
    In addition to the target Shamir intends, his point applies to American conservatives, traditionalists, and people who think that European-Americans have a right to exist, and exist as cohesive cultures, and as cohesive cultures in the US in particular.

    There is nothing new about the forces that are allied in driving this insanity - they are Hobbesian in nature - that is: they are products of Game Theory which Hobbes recognized and thinkers all the way back to Plato were preoccupied with when they confronted the problems of social degenerecy.

    Until recently an entire reason the US has been spared this has been: it's size, and it's federalism.

    There are two ways to defeat the Hobbesian Tragedy. Direct warfare. This often results in defeat, especially for those sure of success - and when it doesn't result in defeat, it often transforms the victor into the villain he strove to destroy.

    Or: walls. Regions, and walls. By walling it out, you cause it to choke on the vine.

    Meanwhile - while the sentiment of the comment is spot on - the attitudes of people in comments all over here, don't help. Put away all words of hate. Argue to live, and let live - but take it beyond the individual and make it about cohesive communities. Don't make it about race, unless you want to lose, make it about shared ancestry and culture. Rinse wash and repeat. Cohesive communities, cohesive culture, cohesive community, etc.
    Then work on building constitutional walls.

    That would really be the magic - if instead of a concrete wall with Mexico - if Trump brought back constitutional walls that worked. If he did that alone, he could fail at everything else, and we might get out of this OK.

    Meanwhile - we can bargain with the benevolent state for walled space - and I would bet high and long there are enough who voted for Trump and who would do that again, that you would get that concession.
    Or - like the zealots of Josephus's time - some could try to defeat the state. Good luck with that.

    I think your example of the Jews in Roman times is a flawed one. A tiny minority or small state in amongst the vast Roman Empire is a completely different situation to what we are – one of the world’s major populations covering a large amount of territory -in the main, Europe, North America, Australia, New Zealand, parts of South America, formerly parts of Sub-Saharan Africa. And a population that has been subjected to brainwashing on multiple fronts – primarily entertainment, education, and the media. We are a population who are in the process of shrugging off that brainwashing and rebelling against the establishment view, partly through changing of opinion and partly through the next generations seeing the error of the ways of the baby boomer generation.

    Until now, the transition has been fairly peaceful but when we get representatives in power (government, media, entertainment, education), we will be in a much more commanding position. The state will be ours. At that time we can expect to harness the wheels of the state to get us back to the demographic balance before the treason of our governments, through repatriation, self-deportation, differing birthrates, AA weighted in our favor, even simple freedom of association or a combination thereof etc.

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  88. Svigor says:

    Whenever Big Media says “we,” I reach for my revolver. What in God’s name would they know about any “we”?

    “Excellent. The term “white privilege” should be familiar to all white children by the time they are six. The “we’re all equal” message is valuable but cannot be the only one. By the time white folks hear the term “white privilege” they are typically older, and find the term “privilege” offensive, when in fact it accurately describes the state of being white, no matter what our socioeconomic status, in this society.”

    “Excellent. The term ‘Jewish privilege’ should be familiar to all children by the time they are six. The ‘we’re all equal’ message is valuable but cannot be the only one. Jewish folks never hear the term ‘Jewish privilege,’ and find the term ‘privilege’ offensive, when in fact it accurately describes the state of being Jewish, no matter what our socioeconomic status, in this society.”

    The answer to the question in the headline is “yes” but not in the way the author intends.

    Absolutely. The left has to be out of their minds to think their “racial mobilization for leftist groups, racial surrender for Whites, because leftist reading of history” strategy will stand the test of time. There is no more effective way to guarantee White racial mobilization, than to encourage anti-White racial mobilization. It’s so obvious, you have to wonder if there isn’t some secret Hitlerian plot at the heart of it all.

    Because that was what the term was intended to mean from the very beginning. It’s not a word, it’s a weapon.

    What makes you think you can use the enemy’s word against him? It’s inherently dishonest, so it’s dishonest of you as well.

    Stick to real words. Get a dictionary older than Dodger Stadium.

    But using the word reciprocally makes your first point apparent; the left’s sleight of hand falls apart. It’s only dishonest insofar as it is when the left uses it. In other words, you debase the coinage by using it reciprocally. It also happens to be true that the left is thoroughly racist.

    My thinking is that we can use the enemy’s weapons against him. Using “racist” against leftists is the reciprocal of bearing the swastika as our standard; the left has invested billions in making an effective weapon out of the “racism” charge, and in making the swastika toxic. Forgoing the former seems almost as unwise as taking up the latter.

    Mostly I see reciprocal racism charges as a great opener. Because any rightist worth his salt can go on at length about how racist the left is, and make a good case that fighting back in kind is the only thing that will work.

    We put people who cut themselves in institutions to protect them.

    What’s amazing is the widespread idea, even among the right, that preventing individuals from committing suicide is natural and expected, but the idea of preventing nations from doing so is crazy talk. What with individuals being so much more important than nations, and all. The assumption seems to be that an individual voting for suicide is rightly forbidden, but a nation voting for suicide is a fundamental national right.

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  89. Anonym says:
    @Escher
    So far, the comments on the NYT website with the highest number of thumbs up are those that disagreed with the smug self-righteousness of the author.
    I think America has reached and passed peak "white guilt".

    I think America has reached and passed peak “white guilt”.

    The descent is going to be interesting, if the change in opinion is somewhat sinusoidal or thereabouts.

    Consider the solstices. Here we have the greatest acceleration (change in velocity) but the least velocity (change in position), and the greatest extreme in position. What that means is that in winter solstice for example, we have entered a time where the days are minimally long. There is not much difference between the day before solstice and solstice itself in terms of day length. The rate of change in the day length is nearly zero. But the rate at which the rate of day length change (the second derivative) is maximal. Once we approach the equinoxes, the day length change is maximal, and the days grow shorter at the most rapid rate. Meanwhile, the rate of change in the rate of day length change is zero.

    If you are appropriately familiar with calculus, you will understand what I’m talking about. Long story short, my expectation is that in a few years, public opinion of whites will become a lot more white nationalist than it has been, and at a rapid rate that will surprise a lot of people, myself included.

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    Visualize a saddle with Prog views balanced precariously, then give those views a little nudge.
    , @Jacobite
    You actually mean length of daylight not length of day. It is due to the tilt of the earth's axis relative to the plane of the earth's orbit. There are no bodies that are physically accelerating or decelerating to achieve this effect of greater or lesser change in the amount of daylight from day to day or change in the increase or decrease in the height of the sun over the horizon from day to day..

    What you experience is a relative apparent latitude shift in relation to the sun as you circle through increasing or decreasing lengths of shadow.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytime
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  90. Jacobite says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The problem is not white parents, it's homogeneous communities.

    The largest vestige of racism is this country are Private Golf Country Clubs. The members are racists and antisemites. You can't change the adults, but it is a shame that they bring their children there to teach the next generation to not want to associate with the "other babies".

    Yes, the Supreme Court has found, on many occasions, that people have the right to privacy and the right to associate with "there own kind". Basically, to be racist in the privacy of their golf courses and eating/drinking clubs.
    Bad
    Sad

    Like I said, if communities are not white majority then evil will continuie

    So you would prefer that their sons and daughters go to school with black thugs where teaching is made impossible by the unruly behavior and where they will be at risk of aggravated assault and rape?

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    Duck has no ducklings of his/her/its/their/zer own, so he/she/it/they/ze must "recruit" everyone else's.

    Also, TD recently opined/anounced/ordered that people have the right to marry whomever they please. That's bigotry in action.

    As Simone de Beauvoir said in another context, they must not be authorized to, for too many will make that choice.
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  91. @Anonymous
    Good grief.

    http://www.drake.edu/philrel/faculty/jenniferharvey/

    Finally, a James Woods tranny!

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  92. @Spotted Toad
    I really don't understand why we can't take yes for an answer anymore. Here's what Washington wrote in 1786:

    "I hope it will not be conceived from these observations, that it is my wish to hold the unhappy people who are the subject of this letter, in slavery. I can only say that there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it—but there is only one proper and effectual mode by which it can be accomplished, & that is by Legislative authority: and this, as far as my suffrage will go, shall never be wanting."

    And of course Washington freed his slaves at his death. There's a reason "Washington" is the most disproportionately black of all American last names- for freed slaves, identifying with the founders of the country and with national identity was crucial to a sense of equality.

    As the token Southern student at my midwestern law school, I was frequently disabusing classmates, and even faculty, of nonsense they believed about my homeland’s past and present.

    I vividly remember the day I explained to a black friend that Robert E. Lee manumitted his slaves in 1862. (He’d inherited them from his father-in-law. Lee himself grew up in poverty in Alexandria; until the inheritance he, like the vast majority of white Southerners, owned no slaves.) Before the manumission, he’d established an illegal school for slaves on the inherited (from his father-in-law) plantation in Arlington. He later worked to liberate slaves and fund their transportation to Liberia, and petitioned slaveholders to free their slaves and allow them to serve in the Confederate Army.

    The guy’s head almost exploded. All he’d ever been told was that Lee was, in today’s parlance, “literally Hitler.” He seemed genuinely embarrassed and thankful to me for educating him once he confirmed the truth of the matter, and a little cheesed off at having been conned his whole life.

    There are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. — Robert Edward Lee (1856)

    From his pen to God’s eyes….

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  93. @Tiny Duck
    The problem is not white parents, it's homogeneous communities.

    The largest vestige of racism is this country are Private Golf Country Clubs. The members are racists and antisemites. You can't change the adults, but it is a shame that they bring their children there to teach the next generation to not want to associate with the "other babies".

    Yes, the Supreme Court has found, on many occasions, that people have the right to privacy and the right to associate with "there own kind". Basically, to be racist in the privacy of their golf courses and eating/drinking clubs.
    Bad
    Sad

    Like I said, if communities are not white majority then evil will continuie

    Like I said, if communities are not white majority then evil will continuie [sic].

    Thou sayest.

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  94. @Escher
    So far, the comments on the NYT website with the highest number of thumbs up are those that disagreed with the smug self-righteousness of the author.
    I think America has reached and passed peak "white guilt".

    So far, the comments on the NYT website with the highest number of thumbs up are those that disagreed with the smug self-righteousness of the author.

    I think America has reached and passed peak “white guilt”.

    I think you’ve got a point. Her attitude seems to be, “Hey teachers! You’re not indoctrinating my (7-year old) daughter! What am I paying taxes for? I have to indoctrinate her myself.”

    I feel sorry for that girl.

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  95. i sure hope so.

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  96. Ivy says:
    @interesting
    Yes, this author (I use the term loosely) at the NYT is doing her best to help raise racists.

    Does the left really think that using past grievances and screaming white privilege at every chance is going to NOT RAISE RACISTS to hate white people? You really think that it's only your child that is going to think about being a better person OR is it really only going to grow resentment in the children of POC?

    It's the latter and we have ample evidence of that happening already.

    Hey, it worked for Obama, their exemplar of all things just and true.

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  97. @AndrewR
    Not to be Donny Downer, but those comments and the likes may not be a representative sample of the NYT readership or society as a whole.

    Actually I read comments a lot. I find NYT readers are a reasonable guide to leftist thinking.

    They’re very different from WSJ, for example.

    To see this number of negatives is a bellwether.

    It could because the girl is only seven. It’s insane to start ranting about George Washington to such a young child. She couldn’t possibly place it in historical context.

    Mind you, NYT itself seems to have gone off the rails. Shortly after the election, there was a piece about the possible end of identity politics.

    I read the comments carefully. Many readers agreed. They’d had enough.

    But, there was about an equal number who disagreed in the strongest personal terms, saying their lives were completely enmeshed with identity politics. The idea of stopping the harangue horrified them.

    NYT chose to listen to the second group.

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    NYT chose to listen to the second group.

    That's the charitable explanation. The more realistic explanation is that they chose to listen to Carlos Salim, or the Sulzberger clan, as to who they assign NYT picks and the overall slant of their paper.
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  98. Ivy says:
    @Anonym
    I think America has reached and passed peak “white guilt”.

    The descent is going to be interesting, if the change in opinion is somewhat sinusoidal or thereabouts.

    Consider the solstices. Here we have the greatest acceleration (change in velocity) but the least velocity (change in position), and the greatest extreme in position. What that means is that in winter solstice for example, we have entered a time where the days are minimally long. There is not much difference between the day before solstice and solstice itself in terms of day length. The rate of change in the day length is nearly zero. But the rate at which the rate of day length change (the second derivative) is maximal. Once we approach the equinoxes, the day length change is maximal, and the days grow shorter at the most rapid rate. Meanwhile, the rate of change in the rate of day length change is zero.

    If you are appropriately familiar with calculus, you will understand what I'm talking about. Long story short, my expectation is that in a few years, public opinion of whites will become a lot more white nationalist than it has been, and at a rapid rate that will surprise a lot of people, myself included.

    Visualize a saddle with Prog views balanced precariously, then give those views a little nudge.

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  99. @bomag
    A joke leaps out from almost every line of that piece:


    We talked about the importance of telling the whole truth, even when it’s hard.
     

    !!!

    Instead of teaching her daughter about great various-gendered-persons of other races, she singularly trashes George Washington.


    Her intrigue turned to horror.
     
    The zenith of the Left used to be when they got a child to denounce the parent as a counter-revolutionary. Now the parents are telling the kids that they are counter-revolutionary scum.

    Parents of black and Latino children have long made thoughtful choices about when and how to engage in difficult and nuanced discussions about difference. Studies show that such parents are two to five times more likely than whites to teach their children explicitly about race from very young ages to counter negative social messages and build a strong sense of identity.
     
    Oh yeah; never too young to explicitly point out who is the enemy.

    If we cataloged "negative social messages", I wonder which race-that-does-not-exist would win that sweepstakes?

    Parents of black and Latino children have long made thoughtful choices about when and how to engage in difficult and nuanced discussions about difference.

    Yep, I’m sure the “discussions” are always very “nuanced.”

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  100. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    There are two ways to defeat the Hobbesian Tragedy. Direct warfare. This often results in defeat, especially for those sure of success – and when it doesn’t result in defeat, it often transforms the victor into the villain he strove to destroy.
     
    You left out a sanctimonious appeal to “the better angels of our nature.”

    Argue to live, and let live – but take it beyond the individual and make it about cohesive communities. Don’t make it about race, unless you want to lose, make it about shared ancestry and culture.
     
    Self-contradictory. Isn’t “shared ancestry” race? If we are to “take it beyond the individual” and immediate family, race is the shared ancestry that matters.

    Rinse wash and repeat. Cohesive communities, cohesive culture, cohesive community, etc.
     
    Is cohesive the new comprehensive? Are you Marc Zuckurburg?

    Then work on building constitutional walls.
     
    I’m surprised you haven’t yet seen this classic rebuttal:

    https://twitter.com/GregEPaulson/status/739175738251743232

    That would really be the magic – if instead of a concrete wall with Mexico – if Trump brought back constitutional walls that worked.
     
    Instead? Why not both? Forget “magic.” Magic is the tool of con artists. Okay, maybe meme magic is real.

    You push the strange sentiment that survival no matter what is the ultimate meaning/goal of human existence. If survival entails subservient co-existence with the hostile and undeserving, then war is justified—and while costly and defeat is a risk—is often the only honorable and practical choice. Live Free or Die.

    I have no sympathy for those who willingly acquiesce to their own slavery, and I can’t help but notice with a gimlet eye those would convince me that temporary ‘harmony’ is the greatest good.

    So the choice you present is slavery or race war, eh?

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    My response to SPH was to point out the flaws in a comment that I considered faux-Panglossian and prescribed a false “magic” cohesiveness. SPH’s comment was also a vague philosophical threat against those who would deign to fight a creepy, almost sentient “benevolent state” that can be “bargained with” but never defeated.

    So the choice you present is slavery or race war, eh?
     
    In future retrospect, it’s going to be what history presents. Nicer choices may not be an available luxury “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another.”

    From what I gather, you are a citizenist American who identifies with salt-of-the-earth white Americans and indeed is married to one. You are a former JSOC ninja, successful, and do the town and country thing. Your ideal society accepts people according to competitive merit, regardless of race. But if there is a badwhites-against-the-rest “race war” you’re going to be in a tough spot because you are of visible Asian ancestry. The concept of race (or civil) war freaks you out. I sympathize. I don’t desire war qua war myself.

    If the SHTF, my advice is to throw in with the upcountry whites with whom you have a close connection, impart those mad tactical skills to those who can hold territory, wear your, um, ‘inner filling’ on your sleeve, and you should be fine. Life doesn’t always turn out as harmoniously as we would wish.
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  101. Jacobite says:
    @Anonym
    I think America has reached and passed peak “white guilt”.

    The descent is going to be interesting, if the change in opinion is somewhat sinusoidal or thereabouts.

    Consider the solstices. Here we have the greatest acceleration (change in velocity) but the least velocity (change in position), and the greatest extreme in position. What that means is that in winter solstice for example, we have entered a time where the days are minimally long. There is not much difference between the day before solstice and solstice itself in terms of day length. The rate of change in the day length is nearly zero. But the rate at which the rate of day length change (the second derivative) is maximal. Once we approach the equinoxes, the day length change is maximal, and the days grow shorter at the most rapid rate. Meanwhile, the rate of change in the rate of day length change is zero.

    If you are appropriately familiar with calculus, you will understand what I'm talking about. Long story short, my expectation is that in a few years, public opinion of whites will become a lot more white nationalist than it has been, and at a rapid rate that will surprise a lot of people, myself included.

    You actually mean length of daylight not length of day. It is due to the tilt of the earth’s axis relative to the plane of the earth’s orbit. There are no bodies that are physically accelerating or decelerating to achieve this effect of greater or lesser change in the amount of daylight from day to day or change in the increase or decrease in the height of the sun over the horizon from day to day..

    What you experience is a relative apparent latitude shift in relation to the sun as you circle through increasing or decreasing lengths of shadow.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytime

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    Yes, length of daylight is what I meant to write, and it should have been pretty obvious from what I wrote I would have thought.

    If we consider that the daylight minutes above mean daylight are on the y axis and days are on the x axis, then the path of the daylight minutes through the year describes a sinusoid. d/dx[sin(x)] = cos x, and d/dx [cos(x)] = -sin x. So f(x) is described by a sine wave, f'(x) is described by a cosine wave, and f''(x) is described by a negative sine wave. When you are at a maximum for the sine, the derivative is zero, and the double derivative is maximum. And when you are at zero for the sine, derivative is maximum, double derivative is zero.

    Intuitively, it makes sense. Both in summer and winter, we get an extended period with similar daylight lengths, but the rate of change accelerates towards the equinoxes, when the daylight length is changing by a maximal amount per day.

    It's a similar phenomenon with a pendulum, which the change of public opinion has often been related to. And in this case, we have went from a time when our views were the norm, say, in the 1950s and previous. PC has been cranked on to the maximum extent, and we are at the point where the pendulum is at its maximal extent, or the day is darkest, whatever metaphor you want to use. Things are going to get interesting. Yelling "racist" has a much reduced impact now. It mainly works on lefty white women. There is less and less to present much resistance to the adoption of fashy views.
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  102. Anonym says:
    @Frau Katze
    Actually I read comments a lot. I find NYT readers are a reasonable guide to leftist thinking.

    They're very different from WSJ, for example.

    To see this number of negatives is a bellwether.

    It could because the girl is only seven. It's insane to start ranting about George Washington to such a young child. She couldn't possibly place it in historical context.

    Mind you, NYT itself seems to have gone off the rails. Shortly after the election, there was a piece about the possible end of identity politics.

    I read the comments carefully. Many readers agreed. They'd had enough.

    But, there was about an equal number who disagreed in the strongest personal terms, saying their lives were completely enmeshed with identity politics. The idea of stopping the harangue horrified them.

    NYT chose to listen to the second group.

    NYT chose to listen to the second group.

    That’s the charitable explanation. The more realistic explanation is that they chose to listen to Carlos Salim, or the Sulzberger clan, as to who they assign NYT picks and the overall slant of their paper.

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    Possibly. But they must have given some thought to economics.

    If they dropped identity politics, they'd lose half their readers.

    But if they kept it, the liberals (even the ones who complained) would mostly stay.

    I just finished reading all the comments to the current article. The reaction is similar to the other article.

    About half the comments disagree with the writer. However, none have said they will cancel their subscription if this keeps up.

    Many who supported the writer said they were appalled by the negative comments.

    It shows that the liberal left is badly split. That's the major takeaway for me, regardless of what the owners of this particular news site think.

    PS: I keep a subscription myself. Pre-Trump, there was some good reporting on non political issues. Post-Trump, the site is practically unreadable.

    But it's a window that lets me see a bit of what's going, especially when there's comments. I should add that I live very far from New York (in BC, Canada). Nor I have I travelled much. My life simply didn't offer the opportunities. So I try to learn about other parts of the world by reading. Lots of time now that I'm retired and the kids are grown.
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  103. Mr. Anon says:
    @res
    The NYT Picks are even more out of step with the Reader's Picks than usual. The 4 NYT Pick comments have a total of 6 Recommends between them. In contrast to a current 50 Recommends for the comment you quoted.

    The SJWs must be feeling their oats to go after George Washington!

    P.S. For an idea of the author's background, here is her book: https://www.amazon.com/Dear-White-Christians-Reconciliation-Christianity-ebook/dp/B00QQKO5KY

    The SJWs must be feeling their oats to go after George Washington!

    The San Francisco school-board is considering de-naming George Washington High and renaming it after…………..Maya Angelou, of course.

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  104. eah says:
    @eah
    Don’t make it about race, unless you want to lose,...

    You go tell SJW Whites, the NAACP, BLM, CAIR, La Raza, etc to stop making it about race/ethnicity -- to knock off all that shit about 'institutional racism' and 'white privilege' -- to agree to abolish affirmative action and 'disparate impact' in admissions and employment -- then report back.

    Whites have been basically making it about every race but their own forever -- and where has it gotten us? -- the anti-white rhetoric has only gotten worse to the point where in the media it's constantly raining shit on Whites -- and unless drastic action is taken, in a couple of generations we'll absolutely lose control of the country.

    Sorry, but from what I've seen over the last couple of decades, relying on the goodwill of non-whites by continuing to 'not make it about race' would be a huge mistake -- and it's not one I'm willing or going to make.

    Like I said before: s(h)ow weakness, reap contempt -- Whites have shown nothing but weakness by being accommodating -- by going along with all the 'diversity' talk long after it was apparent that it just meant fewer Whites -- and in return they've gotten contempt and hate.

    I've seen enough -- more than enough.

    You say if we make it about race we will lose -- but if we don't make it about race, numerically we will have no chance to win.

    It is about race -- whether people like you want to face that or not -- it's about preserving a majority white America -- or trying to -- because a majority white America has proven to be of unique historical value -- and more to the point of legitimate self-determination, because as Whites it's our country and that's the way we want it.

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  105. eah says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/jdanver123/status/841614319775240192

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  106. @Anonym
    NYT chose to listen to the second group.

    That's the charitable explanation. The more realistic explanation is that they chose to listen to Carlos Salim, or the Sulzberger clan, as to who they assign NYT picks and the overall slant of their paper.

    Possibly. But they must have given some thought to economics.

    If they dropped identity politics, they’d lose half their readers.

    But if they kept it, the liberals (even the ones who complained) would mostly stay.

    I just finished reading all the comments to the current article. The reaction is similar to the other article.

    About half the comments disagree with the writer. However, none have said they will cancel their subscription if this keeps up.

    Many who supported the writer said they were appalled by the negative comments.

    It shows that the liberal left is badly split. That’s the major takeaway for me, regardless of what the owners of this particular news site think.

    PS: I keep a subscription myself. Pre-Trump, there was some good reporting on non political issues. Post-Trump, the site is practically unreadable.

    But it’s a window that lets me see a bit of what’s going, especially when there’s comments. I should add that I live very far from New York (in BC, Canada). Nor I have I travelled much. My life simply didn’t offer the opportunities. So I try to learn about other parts of the world by reading. Lots of time now that I’m retired and the kids are grown.

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    Agree about the newspaper's readability. All 2017 political news and opinion pieces somehow manage to squeeze in an unflattering reference to Trump.
    I pick up a free copy when traveling. Some of the non-political articles are still worth reading.
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  107. Anonym says:
    @Jacobite
    You actually mean length of daylight not length of day. It is due to the tilt of the earth's axis relative to the plane of the earth's orbit. There are no bodies that are physically accelerating or decelerating to achieve this effect of greater or lesser change in the amount of daylight from day to day or change in the increase or decrease in the height of the sun over the horizon from day to day..

    What you experience is a relative apparent latitude shift in relation to the sun as you circle through increasing or decreasing lengths of shadow.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytime

    Yes, length of daylight is what I meant to write, and it should have been pretty obvious from what I wrote I would have thought.

    If we consider that the daylight minutes above mean daylight are on the y axis and days are on the x axis, then the path of the daylight minutes through the year describes a sinusoid. d/dx[sin(x)] = cos x, and d/dx [cos(x)] = -sin x. So f(x) is described by a sine wave, f’(x) is described by a cosine wave, and f”(x) is described by a negative sine wave. When you are at a maximum for the sine, the derivative is zero, and the double derivative is maximum. And when you are at zero for the sine, derivative is maximum, double derivative is zero.

    Intuitively, it makes sense. Both in summer and winter, we get an extended period with similar daylight lengths, but the rate of change accelerates towards the equinoxes, when the daylight length is changing by a maximal amount per day.

    It’s a similar phenomenon with a pendulum, which the change of public opinion has often been related to. And in this case, we have went from a time when our views were the norm, say, in the 1950s and previous. PC has been cranked on to the maximum extent, and we are at the point where the pendulum is at its maximal extent, or the day is darkest, whatever metaphor you want to use. Things are going to get interesting. Yelling “racist” has a much reduced impact now. It mainly works on lefty white women. There is less and less to present much resistance to the adoption of fashy views.

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    Anonym, I understood your initial comment on this in terms of day-of-year on the x-axis and day-length on the y. However, I had also thought of the pendulum while I read it, as a better example. Your using of the terms acceleration and velocity in the example of day-length is confusing - I know you meant velocity as in rate of change in day-length amount (1st derivative) and acceleration as the 2nd derivative, but yeah, no mass is involved, which is what confused the other guy

    The pendulum example is perfect. Maximum potential energy, zero velocity (hence zero kinetic energy), and maximum acceleration occur at the same time/place. The bottom is the point of Minimum potential energy, max. velocity (hence mas kinetic energy) and zero acceleration. Do the politics we're writing about follow any physics formulas? I doubt it, but the analogies are cool anyway.

    BTW, the day-length thing is still interesting - not many people know how this works, but even without any physics understanding, one can follow sunrise/sunset times on the weather websites. A 5 y.o. can do it, and does!
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  108. @Jacobite
    So you would prefer that their sons and daughters go to school with black thugs where teaching is made impossible by the unruly behavior and where they will be at risk of aggravated assault and rape?

    Duck has no ducklings of his/her/its/their/zer own, so he/she/it/they/ze must “recruit” everyone else’s.

    Also, TD recently opined/anounced/ordered that people have the right to marry whomever they please. That’s bigotry in action.

    As Simone de Beauvoir said in another context, they must not be authorized to, for too many will make that choice.

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    I do love it when Leftists push their Narrative so far beyond sanity that no amount of herding impulse can overcome the cognitive dissonance in their audience.

    The tranny-bathroom thing was into this zone.

    The nascent attempt to normalize adults using children and teens for sex went way into this zone.

    The very notion of using state compulsion to regulate with whom someone can partner (marry) and produce kids is even beyond that one.

    I sincerely want the sentiments of Tiny Duck to become core positions of modern leftists. The louder she yells, the better.

    Give that gal a megaphone. Please.
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  109. Escher says:
    @Frau Katze
    Possibly. But they must have given some thought to economics.

    If they dropped identity politics, they'd lose half their readers.

    But if they kept it, the liberals (even the ones who complained) would mostly stay.

    I just finished reading all the comments to the current article. The reaction is similar to the other article.

    About half the comments disagree with the writer. However, none have said they will cancel their subscription if this keeps up.

    Many who supported the writer said they were appalled by the negative comments.

    It shows that the liberal left is badly split. That's the major takeaway for me, regardless of what the owners of this particular news site think.

    PS: I keep a subscription myself. Pre-Trump, there was some good reporting on non political issues. Post-Trump, the site is practically unreadable.

    But it's a window that lets me see a bit of what's going, especially when there's comments. I should add that I live very far from New York (in BC, Canada). Nor I have I travelled much. My life simply didn't offer the opportunities. So I try to learn about other parts of the world by reading. Lots of time now that I'm retired and the kids are grown.

    Agree about the newspaper’s readability. All 2017 political news and opinion pieces somehow manage to squeeze in an unflattering reference to Trump.
    I pick up a free copy when traveling. Some of the non-political articles are still worth reading.

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  110. @Twinkie
    So the choice you present is slavery or race war, eh?

    My response to SPH was to point out the flaws in a comment that I considered faux-Panglossian and prescribed a false “magic” cohesiveness. SPH’s comment was also a vague philosophical threat against those who would deign to fight a creepy, almost sentient “benevolent state” that can be “bargained with” but never defeated.

    So the choice you present is slavery or race war, eh?

    In future retrospect, it’s going to be what history presents. Nicer choices may not be an available luxury “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another.”

    From what I gather, you are a citizenist American who identifies with salt-of-the-earth white Americans and indeed is married to one. You are a former JSOC ninja, successful, and do the town and country thing. Your ideal society accepts people according to competitive merit, regardless of race. But if there is a badwhites-against-the-rest “race war” you’re going to be in a tough spot because you are of visible Asian ancestry. The concept of race (or civil) war freaks you out. I sympathize. I don’t desire war qua war myself.

    If the SHTF, my advice is to throw in with the upcountry whites with whom you have a close connection, impart those mad tactical skills to those who can hold territory, wear your, um, ‘inner filling’ on your sleeve, and you should be fine. Life doesn’t always turn out as harmoniously as we would wish.

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    I like Twinkie. Let us hope and pray that circumstances not come to the worst-case scenario you have described. Oh, I like you too, and I think that your response indicates that you wish Twinkie the best.

    The problem we face is that one judge in Hawaii can dictate public policy for the nation. And that judge-legislated policy is that we cannot take reasonable measures to protect ourselves. And when the inevitable terror attack comes, it will adversely affect many good and decent people that should have been protected in the first place.

    I wonder whether the judge in Hawaii is malicious, deluded or stupid. Because when the wheels come off, Hobbes looks like a prophet.
    , @Twinkie
    Your profile of me is a bit off in a number of ways, but that's okay (e.g. the door kicking stuff is a young man's game that requires constant training and practice; I am more Michael Collins than a ninja).

    Your ideal society accepts people according to competitive merit, regardless of race.
     
    I favor merit, yes. But I prize patriotism, sacrifice, and honor more. I've mentioned this multiple times in the past here - I don't want a meritocratic elite - I want an elite that cares about its socio-economic inferiors. Noblesse oblige and all that.

    But if there is a badwhites-against-the-rest “race war” you’re going to be in a tough spot because you are of visible Asian ancestry.
     
    I am not worried about that. People with my knowledge, skills, preparation, and contacts are going to do much better than the vast majority of people in most SHTF scenarios, even race wars.

    The concept of race (or civil) war freaks you out. I sympathize. I don’t desire war qua war myself.
     
    Yes, your reference to a possible civil war in America "triggers" me, to borrow your term about me in another thread. Because I've now seen two civil wars up close and personal (in addition to studying a third very closely). It's pure misery for all involved, and it only benefits and empowers the truly psychotic people, those who are mad for power, viciously ruthless and bloodthirsty. And in a delicately balanced post-industrial society as ours, it will be a massive disaster that could lead to the deaths of millions. Even without the deaths from direct violence, disruptions in power supply and food/medicine/water distribution networks will create a tremendous havoc. The old, the very young, and the sick will be the first to go.

    Childish people like Richard Spencer and his fan boys who talk of a possibly bloody quest for an ethno-state simply have no clue what mass internecine violence and suffering look like in person, and that once unleashed, all intended consequences go out the window, and the people like them and their loved ones may be some of the first to suffer the consequences. They ramble on about "But the blood is already on the streets," because some leftist goons and vandals punch some people or burn a Starbucks. Yes, those are terrible things in a civil society, the perpetrators of which should be punished, but they PALE in comparison to the real dogs of a civil war in the post-modern era.


    throw in with the upcountry whites with whom you have a close connection
     
    What makes you think that I haven't done that already?

    um, ‘inner filling’ on your sleeve
     
    You are funny. If you have ever been to a rural state fair, I like it fried.
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  111. @Tiny Duck
    We need to go a step further than that. This election has demonstrated that a significant number of white, christian Americans sincerely believe that they are the most victimized group.

    To counter this absurdity the term "white privilege" should be familiar to all white children by the time they are six. The "we're all equal" message is valuable but cannot be the only one. By the time white folks hear the term "white privilege" they are typically older, and find the term "privilege" offensive, when in fact it accurately describes the state of being white, no matter what our socioeconomic status, in this society.
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  112. eah says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/False_Nobody/status/841768513975001089

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  113. @Anonym
    Yes, length of daylight is what I meant to write, and it should have been pretty obvious from what I wrote I would have thought.

    If we consider that the daylight minutes above mean daylight are on the y axis and days are on the x axis, then the path of the daylight minutes through the year describes a sinusoid. d/dx[sin(x)] = cos x, and d/dx [cos(x)] = -sin x. So f(x) is described by a sine wave, f'(x) is described by a cosine wave, and f''(x) is described by a negative sine wave. When you are at a maximum for the sine, the derivative is zero, and the double derivative is maximum. And when you are at zero for the sine, derivative is maximum, double derivative is zero.

    Intuitively, it makes sense. Both in summer and winter, we get an extended period with similar daylight lengths, but the rate of change accelerates towards the equinoxes, when the daylight length is changing by a maximal amount per day.

    It's a similar phenomenon with a pendulum, which the change of public opinion has often been related to. And in this case, we have went from a time when our views were the norm, say, in the 1950s and previous. PC has been cranked on to the maximum extent, and we are at the point where the pendulum is at its maximal extent, or the day is darkest, whatever metaphor you want to use. Things are going to get interesting. Yelling "racist" has a much reduced impact now. It mainly works on lefty white women. There is less and less to present much resistance to the adoption of fashy views.

    Anonym, I understood your initial comment on this in terms of day-of-year on the x-axis and day-length on the y. However, I had also thought of the pendulum while I read it, as a better example. Your using of the terms acceleration and velocity in the example of day-length is confusing – I know you meant velocity as in rate of change in day-length amount (1st derivative) and acceleration as the 2nd derivative, but yeah, no mass is involved, which is what confused the other guy

    The pendulum example is perfect. Maximum potential energy, zero velocity (hence zero kinetic energy), and maximum acceleration occur at the same time/place. The bottom is the point of Minimum potential energy, max. velocity (hence mas kinetic energy) and zero acceleration. Do the politics we’re writing about follow any physics formulas? I doubt it, but the analogies are cool anyway.

    BTW, the day-length thing is still interesting – not many people know how this works, but even without any physics understanding, one can follow sunrise/sunset times on the weather websites. A 5 y.o. can do it, and does!

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    I wasn't in the least bit confused. I was only trying assist him in correcting his mis-statement about length of day versus length of daylight and his erroneous implication that masses were involved. So much for trying to help. From now on it's no more Mr. Niceguy for you two.
    , @Anonym
    I like the day length analogy because white civilization is on a path to suicide, which is pretty dark if you ask me. Thus we are emerging from a kind of winter.

    I like the pendulum analogy. The spring analogy is also good and one I have used before. The difference between it and the pendulum is that it conveys more effectively that the attitudes of white society have been pushed away from the historical norms with an immense amount of effort. The ideals of the Frankfurt School have been pushed on us through entertainment, media, academia and government.

    However, in so doing, it has created resistance. This resistance and criticism was initiated by some very high IQ, high testicular fortitude individuals. Enoch Powell, KMac, David Duke, Jared Taylor, Yggdrasil, Murray and Herrnstein, Don Black, Steve Sailer, even Unz with some of his articles are some examples of people who have seen what is happening and done something about it way ahead of the rest of us. These people are distributed on a continuum of AS and variously ignore, recognize or attack the FS angle, depending on how constructive they think it is to do so. But resist they did, and they were very few in number.

    Most people did not recognize what was going on. A very few people did. An even fewer actually put their balls on the line and did something about it. And what they did was a kind of counter-Frankfurt School. For the most part they wrote works that would go on to persuade a great number of intellectuals and leaders, who would in turn persuade others. The number of people persuaded would grow exponentially, while the inumerate would hold up their hands in despair and say that because the number of people converted was less than x percent, that the exercise was futile. But it certainly was not futile, and the year it indisputably flowered and shattered the political landscape was in 2016.

    So that process has a mathematical basis to it, and can be analyzed as a kind of physics of political thought. I have been paying attention to the politics of comments sections over the last 15 years or so, and this has been a good bellwether I thought as to views and percentages of views, probably a bit ahead of the curve due to self-selection among those who comment.

    It is also useful to go through your childhood book collection, as an adult, to categorize books as being acceptable for your own children, or not acceptable due to cultural marxism/PC. You will find in doing so that most works from the 1960s and previous are fine. With a few works from the late 1960s and increasingly into the 1970s, things get increasingly on the nose. By the 1980s it's a lot harder to find good stuff, and later than that it gets to be positively awful. By the 2000s it's like looking at propaganda from the Soviet side of the iron curtain, in terms of the effort and extent of the multicult propaganda. (The same experiment or activity can be done with movies suitable for your children. Even just the Disney output is worth looking at. Gradually it too, becomes pozzed as the years progress.)

    My guess as to why the gradual extent, and it only just came to me then - it likely represents the output of graduates from universities who have been programmed by professors subscribing to FS views. So increasingly they have had impact, and as the years advanced they have been successively radicalized and as groups, have been in more of an echo chamber, producing more and more extreme works.

    Remember that the Frankfurt School started in the 1940s, and it was only 30-40 years later that the first cultural artifacts seem to be produced. 12 Angry Men (1957), maybe a few episodes of Have Gun Will Travel (late 1950s), and no doubt other examples I have not noted were a few early harbingers of things to come. Thus, I don't get too upset that we haven't had a lot of non-written cultural artifacts produced yet. They will come. Mel Gibson has been doing his part producing outliers for us, there are likely a few others.

    Anyway, it is useful to see the how and why of the changes of political opinion and cultural artifacts over time. To some extent it allows us to predict or influence the future. Modeling it as a sinusoid is likely inexact in that there is not a PC/anti-PC sinusoid going back to time immemorial. No, the FS was a single event with ramifications, like the creation of Christianity or Marxism. However, the FS has spawned its own counter-FS movement, which has operated on a quite similar basis - written works influencing others and eventually producing cultural works (propaganda). Operating with the natural tendency of people, white or otherwise to favor their own and avoid partially self-inflicted genocide, coupled with the success of what I might term the counter-FS I expect a movement back to historical norms in much the same way.

    If we think of the 1950s as a little past summer soltice, the 1970s to 1980s similar to the equinox or bottom of the pendulum swing, with rapidly changing views, then the 2000s were probably the winter solstice and the election of a citizenist (not WN!) US president in 2016 marks the point at which early signs of moving in the other direction are becoming apparent. The vast majority of the output of Hollywood, MSM and academia is still brakes on full screech.

    Anyway, it is not an exact science but bears thinking about. If you enjoy physics analogies applied to human populations and politics, you may enjoy "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars". It is about a decade I think since I read this, but the ideas are interesting. I have no idea whether it is legit or hoax. What is certain though is that intelligence agencies, and likely other groups, do ask the question as to how to control populations and do devote quite a bit of brain power to studying how to do so.

    http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/index.shtml
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  114. @E. Rekshun
    LA Times, 03/14/17 - People overestimate the size of black men, perceive them as more threatening than white men, study finds

    http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-black-men-threatening-20170313-story.html#nt=oft12aH-2li3


    People consistently perceive black men to be bigger and more muscular than they actually are — and as more of a threat — than they do white men of the same size, a new study shows. The findings, presented in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, shed light on the deadly link that such misconceptions might have to police shootings of unarmed black men.

    “Across a range of different stimuli and dependent variables, perceivers showed a consistent and strong bias to perceive young Black men as larger and more capable of harm than young White men (at least among non-Black participants),” the study authors wrote. “Such perceptions may have disturbing consequences for how both civilians and law enforcement personnel perceive and behave toward Black individuals.”

    Black men and women are physically stereotyped in many contexts — described as “natural” athletes instead of “intelligent” ones, for example, or able to bear inordinate amounts of pain and suffering in depictions in entertainment and pop culture.

    “Black people are often dehumanized but also super-humanized; this means that people will attribute superhuman characteristics to black people,”...

    researchers tested whether study participants viewed white and black men differently, even when they were largely of the same height and weight. For example, when shown individual images of 45 white and 45 black faces taken from a college football recruiting website, participants estimated the black football players’ heights and weights to be higher than those of the white players (even though, incidentally, the white players were ever-so-slightly taller and heavier than the black players pictured)...

    Other rounds of the experiment showed that black men were also perceived as stronger and more muscular than equivalent white men, with more upper body strength (a proxy for fighting ability)...

    Overall, the participants gauged black men to be “more capable of harm” than white men, even though the scientists had equalized both white and black men for size...

    Their answers revealed that, as the scientists had suspected, participants judged the use of force as more appropriate against a black man than against a white one...

    “People judged Black men as larger and more harmful than White men, thus rendering them more suitable recipients of physical force,”...

    When police officers shoot unarmed black men, the justifications given after the fact typically involve descriptions of the victim’s size and formidability — and those descriptions often turn out to have been wildly inaccurate. Among the many examples littering the news in recent years, the scientists pointed to Dontre Hamilton, shot 14 times by a white police officer in Milwaukee who testified that Hamilton was “muscular” and “most definitely would have overpowered … me or pretty much any officer I can think of.” Hamilton, according to his autopsy, was just 5-foot-7 and weighed 169 pounds... [This guy is built like a fire hydrant!]

     

    When police officers shoot unarmed black men, the justifications given after the fact typically involve descriptions of the victim’s size and formidability

    Or maybe it’s just that the know the actual reality of “unarmed.”

    “Unarmed” people use fists and feet to kill more people that those armed with shotguns and rifles, year in and year out.

    I sincerely wish that the next twenty people who use “unarmed” synonymously with “harmless” would get in a boxing ring with me.

    I’d settle for them standing near the heavy bag as I throw a full power left into it, after which I’d ask them what it would mean if they were standing where the bag was when I hit it.

    For smaller men and all women, I’d love to see the look on their faces.

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    I sincerely wish that the next twenty people who use “unarmed” synonymously with “harmless” would get in a boxing ring with me.
     
    One at a time, I hope. But your point is well-taken.
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  115. @Reg Cæsar
    Duck has no ducklings of his/her/its/their/zer own, so he/she/it/they/ze must "recruit" everyone else's.

    Also, TD recently opined/anounced/ordered that people have the right to marry whomever they please. That's bigotry in action.

    As Simone de Beauvoir said in another context, they must not be authorized to, for too many will make that choice.

    I do love it when Leftists push their Narrative so far beyond sanity that no amount of herding impulse can overcome the cognitive dissonance in their audience.

    The tranny-bathroom thing was into this zone.

    The nascent attempt to normalize adults using children and teens for sex went way into this zone.

    The very notion of using state compulsion to regulate with whom someone can partner (marry) and produce kids is even beyond that one.

    I sincerely want the sentiments of Tiny Duck to become core positions of modern leftists. The louder she yells, the better.

    Give that gal a megaphone. Please.

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  116. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    I appreciate that pick of comment and agree with the sentiment.

    But I'd add something. An article over Israel Shamir writes:


    This is a well-chosen book, likely to remind ... that it is better to compromise than to try and reach for the sky. The Jews of Josephus could have it very good under benevolent Rome, but they overreached themselves and came to disaster.
     
    In addition to the target Shamir intends, his point applies to American conservatives, traditionalists, and people who think that European-Americans have a right to exist, and exist as cohesive cultures, and as cohesive cultures in the US in particular.

    There is nothing new about the forces that are allied in driving this insanity - they are Hobbesian in nature - that is: they are products of Game Theory which Hobbes recognized and thinkers all the way back to Plato were preoccupied with when they confronted the problems of social degenerecy.

    Until recently an entire reason the US has been spared this has been: it's size, and it's federalism.

    There are two ways to defeat the Hobbesian Tragedy. Direct warfare. This often results in defeat, especially for those sure of success - and when it doesn't result in defeat, it often transforms the victor into the villain he strove to destroy.

    Or: walls. Regions, and walls. By walling it out, you cause it to choke on the vine.

    Meanwhile - while the sentiment of the comment is spot on - the attitudes of people in comments all over here, don't help. Put away all words of hate. Argue to live, and let live - but take it beyond the individual and make it about cohesive communities. Don't make it about race, unless you want to lose, make it about shared ancestry and culture. Rinse wash and repeat. Cohesive communities, cohesive culture, cohesive community, etc.
    Then work on building constitutional walls.

    That would really be the magic - if instead of a concrete wall with Mexico - if Trump brought back constitutional walls that worked. If he did that alone, he could fail at everything else, and we might get out of this OK.

    Meanwhile - we can bargain with the benevolent state for walled space - and I would bet high and long there are enough who voted for Trump and who would do that again, that you would get that concession.
    Or - like the zealots of Josephus's time - some could try to defeat the state. Good luck with that.

    Or – like the zealots of Josephus’s time – some could try to defeat the state. Good luck with that.

    Who do you think IS the state? Or are you unfamiliar with:
    (1) Discourses on Voluntary Servitude?
    (2) History’s funny habit of seeing things change?

    I submit that Leftism grew during the last couple centuries to become a religion so dominant that all Western nations became de facto theocracies.

    Cthulhu only turned left for 10 or 20 generations. But no tree grows to the sky. No trend lasts forever. This, too, is changing.

    The 21st century will be a time when the top stops spinning left and (at least for a time) spins right. The PEOPLE whose consent MAKES the state are turning hard right, and rather than fight the state, they will BE the state.

    Social mood is endogenously patterned. Herding behavior drives action, and action drives rationalization, and rationalization determines what ideas and beliefs will dominate.

    Stop predicting the future by staring in the rear view mirror.

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  117. Mr. Anon says:
    @ganderson
    After perusing her website ( I do, so you don't have to! ) I found that she's a lesbian with a "Heather Has Two Mommies" household. She also is an ordained Baptist minister, presumably not of the southern kind.

    After perusing her website ( I do, so you don’t have to! ) I found that she’s a lesbian with a “Heather Has Two Mommies” household. She also is an ordained Baptist minister, presumably not of the southern kind.

    I assumed that based on her picture. Of course, that’s just an unfair stereotype. And, of course, it was right.

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  118. SF says:

    I see the faculty of Middlebury College includes Bill McKibben, the global warming activist and also open borders advocate, about whom you wrote four years ago. http://www.unz.com/isteve/bill-mckibben-elect-new-people-now/?highlight=fertility%2C+immigration%2C+McKibben

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  119. Jacobite says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Anonym, I understood your initial comment on this in terms of day-of-year on the x-axis and day-length on the y. However, I had also thought of the pendulum while I read it, as a better example. Your using of the terms acceleration and velocity in the example of day-length is confusing - I know you meant velocity as in rate of change in day-length amount (1st derivative) and acceleration as the 2nd derivative, but yeah, no mass is involved, which is what confused the other guy

    The pendulum example is perfect. Maximum potential energy, zero velocity (hence zero kinetic energy), and maximum acceleration occur at the same time/place. The bottom is the point of Minimum potential energy, max. velocity (hence mas kinetic energy) and zero acceleration. Do the politics we're writing about follow any physics formulas? I doubt it, but the analogies are cool anyway.

    BTW, the day-length thing is still interesting - not many people know how this works, but even without any physics understanding, one can follow sunrise/sunset times on the weather websites. A 5 y.o. can do it, and does!

    I wasn’t in the least bit confused. I was only trying assist him in correcting his mis-statement about length of day versus length of daylight and his erroneous implication that masses were involved. So much for trying to help. From now on it’s no more Mr. Niceguy for you two.

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    I don't need Mr. Niceguy, just the facts. Maybe the word confusion wasn't the right word to use. I just thought that the analogy from his first post introduced some confusion by using the terms velocity and acceleration, when there was not physics (of masses under force), just calculus. His point was things may be changing very slowly (or not at all) at one point in time while the rate of change of the change (2nd derivative) can be very high at that same point. The change of length of days (low at the solstices, while 2nd derivative is high, high at the equinoxes while 2nd derivative is 0 then) indeed works like this.

    The length of day versus length of daylight is not the point at all. Are you trying to introduce the concept of twilight in here? Otherwise I don't get your point at all about that difference. Maybe you're missing the math part of Anonym's analogy.

    I wasn't knocking the original post too much from Anonym, just saying that the pendulum analogy would be even better.
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  120. Anonym says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Anonym, I understood your initial comment on this in terms of day-of-year on the x-axis and day-length on the y. However, I had also thought of the pendulum while I read it, as a better example. Your using of the terms acceleration and velocity in the example of day-length is confusing - I know you meant velocity as in rate of change in day-length amount (1st derivative) and acceleration as the 2nd derivative, but yeah, no mass is involved, which is what confused the other guy

    The pendulum example is perfect. Maximum potential energy, zero velocity (hence zero kinetic energy), and maximum acceleration occur at the same time/place. The bottom is the point of Minimum potential energy, max. velocity (hence mas kinetic energy) and zero acceleration. Do the politics we're writing about follow any physics formulas? I doubt it, but the analogies are cool anyway.

    BTW, the day-length thing is still interesting - not many people know how this works, but even without any physics understanding, one can follow sunrise/sunset times on the weather websites. A 5 y.o. can do it, and does!

    I like the day length analogy because white civilization is on a path to suicide, which is pretty dark if you ask me. Thus we are emerging from a kind of winter.

    I like the pendulum analogy. The spring analogy is also good and one I have used before. The difference between it and the pendulum is that it conveys more effectively that the attitudes of white society have been pushed away from the historical norms with an immense amount of effort. The ideals of the Frankfurt School have been pushed on us through entertainment, media, academia and government.

    However, in so doing, it has created resistance. This resistance and criticism was initiated by some very high IQ, high testicular fortitude individuals. Enoch Powell, KMac, David Duke, Jared Taylor, Yggdrasil, Murray and Herrnstein, Don Black, Steve Sailer, even Unz with some of his articles are some examples of people who have seen what is happening and done something about it way ahead of the rest of us. These people are distributed on a continuum of AS and variously ignore, recognize or attack the FS angle, depending on how constructive they think it is to do so. But resist they did, and they were very few in number.

    Most people did not recognize what was going on. A very few people did. An even fewer actually put their balls on the line and did something about it. And what they did was a kind of counter-Frankfurt School. For the most part they wrote works that would go on to persuade a great number of intellectuals and leaders, who would in turn persuade others. The number of people persuaded would grow exponentially, while the inumerate would hold up their hands in despair and say that because the number of people converted was less than x percent, that the exercise was futile. But it certainly was not futile, and the year it indisputably flowered and shattered the political landscape was in 2016.

    So that process has a mathematical basis to it, and can be analyzed as a kind of physics of political thought. I have been paying attention to the politics of comments sections over the last 15 years or so, and this has been a good bellwether I thought as to views and percentages of views, probably a bit ahead of the curve due to self-selection among those who comment.

    It is also useful to go through your childhood book collection, as an adult, to categorize books as being acceptable for your own children, or not acceptable due to cultural marxism/PC. You will find in doing so that most works from the 1960s and previous are fine. With a few works from the late 1960s and increasingly into the 1970s, things get increasingly on the nose. By the 1980s it’s a lot harder to find good stuff, and later than that it gets to be positively awful. By the 2000s it’s like looking at propaganda from the Soviet side of the iron curtain, in terms of the effort and extent of the multicult propaganda. (The same experiment or activity can be done with movies suitable for your children. Even just the Disney output is worth looking at. Gradually it too, becomes pozzed as the years progress.)

    My guess as to why the gradual extent, and it only just came to me then – it likely represents the output of graduates from universities who have been programmed by professors subscribing to FS views. So increasingly they have had impact, and as the years advanced they have been successively radicalized and as groups, have been in more of an echo chamber, producing more and more extreme works.

    Remember that the Frankfurt School started in the 1940s, and it was only 30-40 years later that the first cultural artifacts seem to be produced. 12 Angry Men (1957), maybe a few episodes of Have Gun Will Travel (late 1950s), and no doubt other examples I have not noted were a few early harbingers of things to come. Thus, I don’t get too upset that we haven’t had a lot of non-written cultural artifacts produced yet. They will come. Mel Gibson has been doing his part producing outliers for us, there are likely a few others.

    Anyway, it is useful to see the how and why of the changes of political opinion and cultural artifacts over time. To some extent it allows us to predict or influence the future. Modeling it as a sinusoid is likely inexact in that there is not a PC/anti-PC sinusoid going back to time immemorial. No, the FS was a single event with ramifications, like the creation of Christianity or Marxism. However, the FS has spawned its own counter-FS movement, which has operated on a quite similar basis – written works influencing others and eventually producing cultural works (propaganda). Operating with the natural tendency of people, white or otherwise to favor their own and avoid partially self-inflicted genocide, coupled with the success of what I might term the counter-FS I expect a movement back to historical norms in much the same way.

    If we think of the 1950s as a little past summer soltice, the 1970s to 1980s similar to the equinox or bottom of the pendulum swing, with rapidly changing views, then the 2000s were probably the winter solstice and the election of a citizenist (not WN!) US president in 2016 marks the point at which early signs of moving in the other direction are becoming apparent. The vast majority of the output of Hollywood, MSM and academia is still brakes on full screech.

    Anyway, it is not an exact science but bears thinking about. If you enjoy physics analogies applied to human populations and politics, you may enjoy “Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars”. It is about a decade I think since I read this, but the ideas are interesting. I have no idea whether it is legit or hoax. What is certain though is that intelligence agencies, and likely other groups, do ask the question as to how to control populations and do devote quite a bit of brain power to studying how to do so.

    http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/index.shtml

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  121. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The problem is not white parents, it's homogeneous communities.

    The largest vestige of racism is this country are Private Golf Country Clubs. The members are racists and antisemites. You can't change the adults, but it is a shame that they bring their children there to teach the next generation to not want to associate with the "other babies".

    Yes, the Supreme Court has found, on many occasions, that people have the right to privacy and the right to associate with "there own kind". Basically, to be racist in the privacy of their golf courses and eating/drinking clubs.
    Bad
    Sad

    Like I said, if communities are not white majority then evil will continuie
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  122. @Jacobite
    I wasn't in the least bit confused. I was only trying assist him in correcting his mis-statement about length of day versus length of daylight and his erroneous implication that masses were involved. So much for trying to help. From now on it's no more Mr. Niceguy for you two.

    I don’t need Mr. Niceguy, just the facts. Maybe the word confusion wasn’t the right word to use. I just thought that the analogy from his first post introduced some confusion by using the terms velocity and acceleration, when there was not physics (of masses under force), just calculus. His point was things may be changing very slowly (or not at all) at one point in time while the rate of change of the change (2nd derivative) can be very high at that same point. The change of length of days (low at the solstices, while 2nd derivative is high, high at the equinoxes while 2nd derivative is 0 then) indeed works like this.

    The length of day versus length of daylight is not the point at all. Are you trying to introduce the concept of twilight in here? Otherwise I don’t get your point at all about that difference. Maybe you’re missing the math part of Anonym’s analogy.

    I wasn’t knocking the original post too much from Anonym, just saying that the pendulum analogy would be even better.

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  123. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    My response to SPH was to point out the flaws in a comment that I considered faux-Panglossian and prescribed a false “magic” cohesiveness. SPH’s comment was also a vague philosophical threat against those who would deign to fight a creepy, almost sentient “benevolent state” that can be “bargained with” but never defeated.

    So the choice you present is slavery or race war, eh?
     
    In future retrospect, it’s going to be what history presents. Nicer choices may not be an available luxury “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another.”

    From what I gather, you are a citizenist American who identifies with salt-of-the-earth white Americans and indeed is married to one. You are a former JSOC ninja, successful, and do the town and country thing. Your ideal society accepts people according to competitive merit, regardless of race. But if there is a badwhites-against-the-rest “race war” you’re going to be in a tough spot because you are of visible Asian ancestry. The concept of race (or civil) war freaks you out. I sympathize. I don’t desire war qua war myself.

    If the SHTF, my advice is to throw in with the upcountry whites with whom you have a close connection, impart those mad tactical skills to those who can hold territory, wear your, um, ‘inner filling’ on your sleeve, and you should be fine. Life doesn’t always turn out as harmoniously as we would wish.

    I like Twinkie. Let us hope and pray that circumstances not come to the worst-case scenario you have described. Oh, I like you too, and I think that your response indicates that you wish Twinkie the best.

    The problem we face is that one judge in Hawaii can dictate public policy for the nation. And that judge-legislated policy is that we cannot take reasonable measures to protect ourselves. And when the inevitable terror attack comes, it will adversely affect many good and decent people that should have been protected in the first place.

    I wonder whether the judge in Hawaii is malicious, deluded or stupid. Because when the wheels come off, Hobbes looks like a prophet.

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    "I wonder whether the judge in Hawaii is malicious, deluded or stupid. Because when the wheels come off, Hobbes looks like a prophet."

    You left off possibly blackmailed or bought off.
    , @Twinkie

    I like Twinkie.
     
    Thanks.

    Let us hope and pray that circumstances not come to the worst-case scenario you have described.
     
    Amen.

    People who actually hanker for that scenario are not extending the Overton window. They are either stupid or insane (or both). They are people who like to see the world burn, because their souls are twisted.
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  124. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    I like Twinkie. Let us hope and pray that circumstances not come to the worst-case scenario you have described. Oh, I like you too, and I think that your response indicates that you wish Twinkie the best.

    The problem we face is that one judge in Hawaii can dictate public policy for the nation. And that judge-legislated policy is that we cannot take reasonable measures to protect ourselves. And when the inevitable terror attack comes, it will adversely affect many good and decent people that should have been protected in the first place.

    I wonder whether the judge in Hawaii is malicious, deluded or stupid. Because when the wheels come off, Hobbes looks like a prophet.

    “I wonder whether the judge in Hawaii is malicious, deluded or stupid. Because when the wheels come off, Hobbes looks like a prophet.”

    You left off possibly blackmailed or bought off.

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  125. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    My response to SPH was to point out the flaws in a comment that I considered faux-Panglossian and prescribed a false “magic” cohesiveness. SPH’s comment was also a vague philosophical threat against those who would deign to fight a creepy, almost sentient “benevolent state” that can be “bargained with” but never defeated.

    So the choice you present is slavery or race war, eh?
     
    In future retrospect, it’s going to be what history presents. Nicer choices may not be an available luxury “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another.”

    From what I gather, you are a citizenist American who identifies with salt-of-the-earth white Americans and indeed is married to one. You are a former JSOC ninja, successful, and do the town and country thing. Your ideal society accepts people according to competitive merit, regardless of race. But if there is a badwhites-against-the-rest “race war” you’re going to be in a tough spot because you are of visible Asian ancestry. The concept of race (or civil) war freaks you out. I sympathize. I don’t desire war qua war myself.

    If the SHTF, my advice is to throw in with the upcountry whites with whom you have a close connection, impart those mad tactical skills to those who can hold territory, wear your, um, ‘inner filling’ on your sleeve, and you should be fine. Life doesn’t always turn out as harmoniously as we would wish.

    Your profile of me is a bit off in a number of ways, but that’s okay (e.g. the door kicking stuff is a young man’s game that requires constant training and practice; I am more Michael Collins than a ninja).

    Your ideal society accepts people according to competitive merit, regardless of race.

    I favor merit, yes. But I prize patriotism, sacrifice, and honor more. I’ve mentioned this multiple times in the past here – I don’t want a meritocratic elite – I want an elite that cares about its socio-economic inferiors. Noblesse oblige and all that.

    But if there is a badwhites-against-the-rest “race war” you’re going to be in a tough spot because you are of visible Asian ancestry.

    I am not worried about that. People with my knowledge, skills, preparation, and contacts are going to do much better than the vast majority of people in most SHTF scenarios, even race wars.

    The concept of race (or civil) war freaks you out. I sympathize. I don’t desire war qua war myself.

    Yes, your reference to a possible civil war in America “triggers” me, to borrow your term about me in another thread. Because I’ve now seen two civil wars up close and personal (in addition to studying a third very closely). It’s pure misery for all involved, and it only benefits and empowers the truly psychotic people, those who are mad for power, viciously ruthless and bloodthirsty. And in a delicately balanced post-industrial society as ours, it will be a massive disaster that could lead to the deaths of millions. Even without the deaths from direct violence, disruptions in power supply and food/medicine/water distribution networks will create a tremendous havoc. The old, the very young, and the sick will be the first to go.

    Childish people like Richard Spencer and his fan boys who talk of a possibly bloody quest for an ethno-state simply have no clue what mass internecine violence and suffering look like in person, and that once unleashed, all intended consequences go out the window, and the people like them and their loved ones may be some of the first to suffer the consequences. They ramble on about “But the blood is already on the streets,” because some leftist goons and vandals punch some people or burn a Starbucks. Yes, those are terrible things in a civil society, the perpetrators of which should be punished, but they PALE in comparison to the real dogs of a civil war in the post-modern era.

    throw in with the upcountry whites with whom you have a close connection

    What makes you think that I haven’t done that already?

    um, ‘inner filling’ on your sleeve

    You are funny. If you have ever been to a rural state fair, I like it fried.

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    I favor merit, yes. But I prize patriotism, sacrifice, and honor more. I’ve mentioned this multiple times in the past here – I don’t want a meritocratic elite – I want an elite that cares about its socio-economic inferiors.
     
    Well, the custom here is that we let our immigration policy go in cycles, sort of like eating at regular mealtimes instead of constantly snacking in between. Merit or no, you wait until suppertime to get your dinner.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Thanks for replying. Glad to hear you’re all prepped up! I wouldn’t expect any less, but I didn’t want to make too many assumptions. :D

    Here’s the deal—I agree with you that war is terrible. I’m not a sadist, masochist, or nihilist. However, political tectonic plates could be shifting toward something dramatic, and not just in the U.S. You disagreed with, but didn’t quite rebut, my critique of SPH’s comment. Since you’re well acquainted with the horrors of war, you assume that those, like Spencer, who advocate hard political stances (and countenance the possibility of war) are irresponsible dilettantes, clueless gadflies, or worse—power-hungry psychos. Maybe.

    I think you’re distracted by perceived flaws of the messengers and not really picking up on the underlying vibe going around. Perhaps it’s your strong religious faith, or an imprinting since youth of a certain idealized gallant America that will, in the end, find a way to prevail with prudent grace… but for all your worldly experience, and knowledge of history, you may have a serious blind spot.

    In a past thread, the topic was Halloween. You wrote:

    On the contrary, Christians do not (and should not) “celebrate” Halloween.
     
    I replied with a link to the Krampuslauf Christmas celebrations in Austria. The present point—and nutshell rebuttal to SPH’s original comment: There is an atavistic undercurrent to all humanity, even amongst the most ‘civilized.’ When forbearance is at the breaking point, and shatters—the old spirits will out.
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  126. Twinkie says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    I like Twinkie. Let us hope and pray that circumstances not come to the worst-case scenario you have described. Oh, I like you too, and I think that your response indicates that you wish Twinkie the best.

    The problem we face is that one judge in Hawaii can dictate public policy for the nation. And that judge-legislated policy is that we cannot take reasonable measures to protect ourselves. And when the inevitable terror attack comes, it will adversely affect many good and decent people that should have been protected in the first place.

    I wonder whether the judge in Hawaii is malicious, deluded or stupid. Because when the wheels come off, Hobbes looks like a prophet.

    I like Twinkie.

    Thanks.

    Let us hope and pray that circumstances not come to the worst-case scenario you have described.

    Amen.

    People who actually hanker for that scenario are not extending the Overton window. They are either stupid or insane (or both). They are people who like to see the world burn, because their souls are twisted.

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  127. @dc.sunsets

    When police officers shoot unarmed black men, the justifications given after the fact typically involve descriptions of the victim’s size and formidability
     
    Or maybe it's just that the know the actual reality of "unarmed."

    "Unarmed" people use fists and feet to kill more people that those armed with shotguns and rifles, year in and year out.

    I sincerely wish that the next twenty people who use "unarmed" synonymously with "harmless" would get in a boxing ring with me.

    I'd settle for them standing near the heavy bag as I throw a full power left into it, after which I'd ask them what it would mean if they were standing where the bag was when I hit it.

    For smaller men and all women, I'd love to see the look on their faces.

    I sincerely wish that the next twenty people who use “unarmed” synonymously with “harmless” would get in a boxing ring with me.

    One at a time, I hope. But your point is well-taken.

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  128. Brutusale says:
    @WorkingClass
    Silly racist woman. Of course her child is racist. White people are born that way. That's why diversity is our strength. In diversity there are no white people.
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  129. @Twinkie
    Your profile of me is a bit off in a number of ways, but that's okay (e.g. the door kicking stuff is a young man's game that requires constant training and practice; I am more Michael Collins than a ninja).

    Your ideal society accepts people according to competitive merit, regardless of race.
     
    I favor merit, yes. But I prize patriotism, sacrifice, and honor more. I've mentioned this multiple times in the past here - I don't want a meritocratic elite - I want an elite that cares about its socio-economic inferiors. Noblesse oblige and all that.

    But if there is a badwhites-against-the-rest “race war” you’re going to be in a tough spot because you are of visible Asian ancestry.
     
    I am not worried about that. People with my knowledge, skills, preparation, and contacts are going to do much better than the vast majority of people in most SHTF scenarios, even race wars.

    The concept of race (or civil) war freaks you out. I sympathize. I don’t desire war qua war myself.
     
    Yes, your reference to a possible civil war in America "triggers" me, to borrow your term about me in another thread. Because I've now seen two civil wars up close and personal (in addition to studying a third very closely). It's pure misery for all involved, and it only benefits and empowers the truly psychotic people, those who are mad for power, viciously ruthless and bloodthirsty. And in a delicately balanced post-industrial society as ours, it will be a massive disaster that could lead to the deaths of millions. Even without the deaths from direct violence, disruptions in power supply and food/medicine/water distribution networks will create a tremendous havoc. The old, the very young, and the sick will be the first to go.

    Childish people like Richard Spencer and his fan boys who talk of a possibly bloody quest for an ethno-state simply have no clue what mass internecine violence and suffering look like in person, and that once unleashed, all intended consequences go out the window, and the people like them and their loved ones may be some of the first to suffer the consequences. They ramble on about "But the blood is already on the streets," because some leftist goons and vandals punch some people or burn a Starbucks. Yes, those are terrible things in a civil society, the perpetrators of which should be punished, but they PALE in comparison to the real dogs of a civil war in the post-modern era.


    throw in with the upcountry whites with whom you have a close connection
     
    What makes you think that I haven't done that already?

    um, ‘inner filling’ on your sleeve
     
    You are funny. If you have ever been to a rural state fair, I like it fried.

    I favor merit, yes. But I prize patriotism, sacrifice, and honor more. I’ve mentioned this multiple times in the past here – I don’t want a meritocratic elite – I want an elite that cares about its socio-economic inferiors.

    Well, the custom here is that we let our immigration policy go in cycles, sort of like eating at regular mealtimes instead of constantly snacking in between. Merit or no, you wait until suppertime to get your dinner.

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  130. Ragno says:
    @Ripple Earthdevil
    She has that lesbian look. I wonder who the girl's father is and what role he has in her enlightenment about the evils of white racism.

    Let’s just say she holds her liquor by the ears.

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  131. Ragno says:
    @Tiny Duck
    We need to go a step further than that. This election has demonstrated that a significant number of white, christian Americans sincerely believe that they are the most victimized group.

    To counter this absurdity the term "white privilege" should be familiar to all white children by the time they are six. The "we're all equal" message is valuable but cannot be the only one. By the time white folks hear the term "white privilege" they are typically older, and find the term "privilege" offensive, when in fact it accurately describes the state of being white, no matter what our socioeconomic status, in this society.

    Tiny Duck – you so crazy. An’ tiny!

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  132. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Predictably there is no mention of widespread support by US Jews for Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY.

    It's also revealing that we don't see them criticizing Israel's very real WALL.

    These alleged 'antisemitic hate crimes' are not real crimes that were tried in courts of law.

    These are only what some Jews 'report' as 'hate crimes', not what was actually charged against someone & tried in court.

    IOW, if someone doesn't like what someone said, they then report or stage an act that is said to be 'racist, antisemitic', and voila! ... instant 'hate crime' statistics.


    The question to ask is: 'Who Benefits?'

    What the hell are you talking about you anti semite

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  133. @Twinkie
    Your profile of me is a bit off in a number of ways, but that's okay (e.g. the door kicking stuff is a young man's game that requires constant training and practice; I am more Michael Collins than a ninja).

    Your ideal society accepts people according to competitive merit, regardless of race.
     
    I favor merit, yes. But I prize patriotism, sacrifice, and honor more. I've mentioned this multiple times in the past here - I don't want a meritocratic elite - I want an elite that cares about its socio-economic inferiors. Noblesse oblige and all that.

    But if there is a badwhites-against-the-rest “race war” you’re going to be in a tough spot because you are of visible Asian ancestry.
     
    I am not worried about that. People with my knowledge, skills, preparation, and contacts are going to do much better than the vast majority of people in most SHTF scenarios, even race wars.

    The concept of race (or civil) war freaks you out. I sympathize. I don’t desire war qua war myself.
     
    Yes, your reference to a possible civil war in America "triggers" me, to borrow your term about me in another thread. Because I've now seen two civil wars up close and personal (in addition to studying a third very closely). It's pure misery for all involved, and it only benefits and empowers the truly psychotic people, those who are mad for power, viciously ruthless and bloodthirsty. And in a delicately balanced post-industrial society as ours, it will be a massive disaster that could lead to the deaths of millions. Even without the deaths from direct violence, disruptions in power supply and food/medicine/water distribution networks will create a tremendous havoc. The old, the very young, and the sick will be the first to go.

    Childish people like Richard Spencer and his fan boys who talk of a possibly bloody quest for an ethno-state simply have no clue what mass internecine violence and suffering look like in person, and that once unleashed, all intended consequences go out the window, and the people like them and their loved ones may be some of the first to suffer the consequences. They ramble on about "But the blood is already on the streets," because some leftist goons and vandals punch some people or burn a Starbucks. Yes, those are terrible things in a civil society, the perpetrators of which should be punished, but they PALE in comparison to the real dogs of a civil war in the post-modern era.


    throw in with the upcountry whites with whom you have a close connection
     
    What makes you think that I haven't done that already?

    um, ‘inner filling’ on your sleeve
     
    You are funny. If you have ever been to a rural state fair, I like it fried.

    Thanks for replying. Glad to hear you’re all prepped up! I wouldn’t expect any less, but I didn’t want to make too many assumptions. :D

    Here’s the deal—I agree with you that war is terrible. I’m not a sadist, masochist, or nihilist. However, political tectonic plates could be shifting toward something dramatic, and not just in the U.S. You disagreed with, but didn’t quite rebut, my critique of SPH’s comment. Since you’re well acquainted with the horrors of war, you assume that those, like Spencer, who advocate hard political stances (and countenance the possibility of war) are irresponsible dilettantes, clueless gadflies, or worse—power-hungry psychos. Maybe.

    I think you’re distracted by perceived flaws of the messengers and not really picking up on the underlying vibe going around. Perhaps it’s your strong religious faith, or an imprinting since youth of a certain idealized gallant America that will, in the end, find a way to prevail with prudent grace… but for all your worldly experience, and knowledge of history, you may have a serious blind spot.

    In a past thread, the topic was Halloween. You wrote:

    On the contrary, Christians do not (and should not) “celebrate” Halloween.

    I replied with a link to the Krampuslauf Christmas celebrations in Austria. The present point—and nutshell rebuttal to SPH’s original comment: There is an atavistic undercurrent to all humanity, even amongst the most ‘civilized.’ When forbearance is at the breaking point, and shatters—the old spirits will out.

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  134. More fun at Drake University:

    A male student who was expelled from Drake University after a woman took advantage of him while he was drunk and later accused him or raping her is now suing the institution for failing to rectify the situation.

    https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/03/female-student-drunk-male/

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