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James Fulford writes in VDARE:

The Fulford File: Black Privilege Is Ultimate Cause Of Minnesota Mall Atrocity

James Fulford
April 18, 2019, 10:52 PM

Emmanuel Aranda, a black man living in Minnesota, is alleged to have thrown Landen Hoffman, a white five year old, off the third floor of the Mall Of America.

The boy is still alive but Aranda has been charged with attempted murder. (It’s likely that only a child that young could have survived—an adult who falls forty feet is usually Dead Right There). Significantly, however, this incident not being treated as a hate crime by police or the Main Stream Media. That’s because of Black Privilege—and it means this sort of thing will continue.

Emmanuel Aranda is quoted by prosecutors as admitting his guilt, saying that he originally meant to do it to an adult, because he’s been rejected by women he had approached (i. e. harassed) in the mall. Prosecutors failed to say if the women he was harassing were white.

You will notice (but almost nobody else will) that the heaver didn’t target a woman, he targeted a white. Of course, nobody is talking about a hate crime charge for Aranda.

Aranda had previously been removed from the mall and had a long record of trouble with the law. …

Aranda is clearly bad, and dangerous person—Steve Sailer’s response (Maybe We Need More Mass Incarceration?) is the only correct one.

But while Aranda may be guilty of this assault, the people responsible are the judge and prosecutor back in his home town of Chicago who failed to put him in jail for his first assault conviction there. In Chicago, however, the justice system is apparently more concerned with not arousing the anger of blacks and “Civil Rights” organizations than with protecting the public. Call it Black Privilege.

All over America, there are “Civil Rights” organizations attacking police for enforcing the law, and attacking victims for calling the police, backed by a Main Stream Media which thinks that any law enforcement action that falls on a black is ipso facto racist.

So those Civil Rightsians and “anti-racist” crusaders are ultimately responsible for this and many similar attacks—first, by telling whites that it’s wrong to be suspicious of blacks, and second, by convincing blacks that anything that thwarts them in any way is racist.

The L.A. Times explains one of Aranda’s many crimes:

Aranda was born in Chicago, where Cook County court documents showed a 2014 arrest for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon at a Golden Nugget restaurant in the city. A case summary said Aranda beat a restaurant employee with a telephone when she threatened to call police about his bill, and pulled a knife on a bystander who intervened. He ultimately pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 18 months’ probation.

A long time ago, my wife had been a waitress at a Golden Nugget in Chicago. So a younger version of her could have been this victim of Aranda. But Aranda was still out on the streets (or to be precise, the mall) despite all of his crimes.

Meanwhile, the New York Times Magazine runs a giant, highly complimentary article about a academic kook who is making a nice living campaigning for abolishing the imprisonment of any and all violent criminals like Aranda:

Is Prison Necessary? Ruth Wilson Gilmore Might Change Your Mind

In three decades of advocating for prison abolition, the activist and scholar has helped transform how people think about criminal justice.

By Rachel Kushner
April 17, 2019

 
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  1. Rachel Kushner

    People named ‘Kushner’ seem to really love the idea of unleashing violent criminals upon the law-abiding people of America

    • Agree: RVBlake
    • Replies: @Drogger
    Don't trust a Kushner.
    , @ben tillman
    They should be strictly liable for the damages caused by the wild animals they unleash on us.
    , @Mikethecop
    Yup! Sixty million Germans were right all along.
    , @AnotherDad

    People named ‘Kushner’ seem to really love the idea of unleashing violent criminals upon the law-abiding people of America.
     
    As everyone here has no doubt sussed out, i'm an agreeable, big-hearted kinda guy.

    Ergo, i'm 100% behind the Rachel Kushners of this world, getting to live in a society with criminals on the loose and with all the other similar progressive ideas they advocate.

    The problem is that we normal Americans have lost control of our nation and are subject to all the stupid ideas--minoritarianism, grievance feminism, multiculturalism, non-incarceration, "nation of immigrants", "leaning-in", LBGQWERTYism, open borders--the Rachel Kushners have pushed--out of hatred, will-to-power or sheer stupidity--into our culture and politics. Ideas that Western Civilization "evolutionarily" rejected--i.e. evolved the opposite approach--and are easy for intelligent people to logically debunk.

    This is the heart of the problem: we should not, must not be subjected to all the nasty, stupid ideas the Rachel Kushner's are pushing on us.

    , @niteranger
    You are correct. Read the damn comments in NY Times article and you will realize why most of these people belong incarcerated in mental institutions for life. Can you imagine if this was white guy who threw a black child over the balcony of the Mall! I'm sure this woman would have written the same article.
  2. Is Prison Necessary?

    Actually a very good question. Let’s discuss.

    • Replies: @Thea
    I understand Sharia offers a rather simple alternative.
    , @Neuday
    Prison is necessary for the first violent offense, but not after the second.
    , @peterike

    Is Prison Necessary? Actually a very good question. Let’s discuss.

     

    Prison is not necessary if you replace most imprisonment with executions.
  3. The problem with Black felons is that so many of them are borderline retarded or psychotic. You’d need to expand the number of psychiatric wards, which are very expensive and not that great at keeping offenders out of the streets.
    I mean, it’s obvious this Aranda guy is a nutcase, and Hispanic, judging from his name!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Pablo_Abarca_de_Bolea,_10th_Count_of_Aranda

  4. To be fair, Ruth Wilson Gilmore is not the average “cook”. She has confuted some much-loved leftist ideas about prisons. And her core idea is possibly correct: that there is a carcerial-industrial complex the same way as a military-industrial complex (“complex” not so much like a conspiration than like a network of interrelated interests), enabled only by the modern leviathan state.
    If we ignore the moral questions, the more impressive descriptive part of her work seems rather good. A lot of her insights could be found as well from libertarian authors; some insights could be found as well from Steve Sailer.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Closing down prisons and jails will disparately impact blacks and other minorities. Prison guard is an occupation reserved for POCs.
    So is much of law enforcement and both civil and criminal court jobs reserved for POCs.

    Government is the only employer of the millions of affirmative action middle class POCs.

    If we significantly reduce prison and jail populations, we’ll have to find other jobs for blacks
  5. She is effectively arguing for the creation of Black Death Squads that will hunt down and murder White Americans….

    The Civil War just wasn’t worth it to free the Black Slaves…..The Confederate Soldiers knew exactly what the consequences of freeing Blacks would be:Emitt Till and the Syosset Diner Robbery Memorial Day Weekend 1982…the largest mass rape of White Woman in US History by Blacks….

  6. Looks like we are moving back into the “well the streets are safe, so crime isn’t a real problem — let’s stop locking people up and let everyone out of prison now” phase, to be quickly followed by increases in crime. The real question is whether we will ever be able to get to the “we need to lock these animals up” phase.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    That was the heading on the old New York Times story “Prison Population Grows Despite Drop in Crime”.
    , @SMK
    This low-IQ savage, who is also deranged, should have been buried in prison after his first conviction for aggravated assault. Not only has he never been imprisoned, he's never been jailed, not even for 30-60 days, apparently. And he was not ever ordered to wear an ankle-tether so the police could electronically monitor his location and movements. If so, the authorities would have known that he was at the mall of Somalia/Africa-America, where he was banned, twice, and he could have been arrested before he threw a 5-year-old child over a third-floor balcony.

    In contrast, Martha Steward was sentenced to a year in prison for a harmless lie, thanks to James Comey, ironically, and was judged to be so dangerous, such a "threat to society" and her "fellow citizens" of all ages and both sexes, that after her release from prison after "only" 5-months for "good behavior," she was not only sentenced to 7-months of house-arrest but also forced to wear an ankle-tether/"bracelet" 24-hours a day.

    And when she's released from prison after "only" 8 or 10 or 12 years, Abigail Simon must wear an ankle-tether until she dies in her 70s or 80s or 90s -albeit she has never committed a violent or other mala in se crime in her life and never will and is not a "threat to society" or to anyone nor even a "danger to re-offend" by having sex with another young man under statutory age.

    In a sane and just and rational country -as opposed to one in which violent and dangerous criminals, overwhelmingly black males and increasingly Mestizos-Amerindians, are systemically and often repeatedly coddled until they commit an atrocity so sickening and outrageous that not even left-liberal prosecutors and judges con indulge yet again- she would have been punished, non-criminally, by dismissal and the revocation of her license and expulsion from the profession. Or, at worst, charged with misdemeanor, however defined, and sentenced to 3-6 months of probation and perhaps 50-100 hours of some kind of "community service": no prison, no jail, no "sex-offender treatment," no quasi-totalitarian surveillance, no electronic parole-monitoring, no public sex-offender registration. And Martha Stewart would have been fined.
  7. Democracy depends on more than what laws our elected representatives pass. It depends just as much as on what laws are actually enforced given that enforcement is the gold standard for what laws citizens will actually obey.

    Unfortunately law enforcement is becoming uneven across the United States to an unprecedented degree. I lived in San Francisco from the 1960’s through the 1980’s. The number of derelicts kept growing but defecating on the sidewalks wasn’t a problem. You could get away with peeing in an alley such that the aroma of urine in the Tenderloin was noticeable but dodging turds on the sidewalk was not. Not even dogs were allowed the privilege of defecating on a sidewalk. Apparently police stopped making defecating in public a criminal offense for humans at least.

    Now we are about to stop prosecuting property crimes below some threshold in Dallas and other cities with liberal or negro elected District Attorneys. Dallas’ is setting a $750 limit. Curious that as it means unless you have a new deluxe iPhone X a thug can just grab your cellphone or purse and face no consequences from the county prosecutors.

  8. Actually, the ‘open borders’ crowd are dumber and more demented than the ‘prison abolitionists’.

    The only difference is that the open borders maniacs hold the levers of power over the western world.

  9. Maybe get the full story before jumping to conclusions.

    People of Color have to take a lot of new in white supremacist societies

    • Replies: @Curious Person
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7E_Ss5OwWQ
    , @fish
    Ohs Tinys......,


    Dey yous goes a agin........



    Lendert "Loves pluggin his some Tinys Ducks" Pizzt
  10. In this case at least, prison is not the answer.

    The gallows is called for.

  11. @DFH

    Rachel Kushner
     
    People named 'Kushner' seem to really love the idea of unleashing violent criminals upon the law-abiding people of America

    Don’t trust a Kushner.

  12. Replace prison with corporal punishment and slavery with proceeds of work going towards crime victims.

    Crime would quickly drop.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Flip
    Work camps in Alaska.
    , @Redneck farmer
    I've thought flogging would be a great punishment for misdemeanors like drug possession, petty theft, DUI, and the like.
    , @MBlanc46
    Corporal punishment, yes. Serious restitution in place of incarceration, yes, in some cases. Slavery? I don’t think we can sell tgat one.
  13. The assumption is that civil rights, liberals, or naivety were the reasons for the individual not being jailed. Add to that budget constraints. Jail is a fairly expensive solution.

    White guy hitting other white people in a manner some, who were not on the jury, find inexplicable:

    SLO city employee knocked out a woman at a bar 3 years ago. Now he’s been placed on leave
    https://www.fresnobee.com/news/state/california/article229342554.html

  14. Three days after Julian Assange was forcibly taken away to jail, a very good friend of mine who writes for a New Orleans newspaper, the Advocate, won a Pulitzer Prize.

    The topic: Abolishing the non-unanimous jury requirement for convictions in LA. Apparently, they did a study on the effects of the system and how non-unanimous convictions effected 30 percent more blacks than whites. I haven’t read the stories, but I have suspicions about the quality of such data.

    The series of news articles prompted the LA legislature to make all convictions now require unanimous 12-0 verdicts.

    The cognitive dissonance here is scary. The public is no longer interested in being informed about the corruption within its government. But would rather read or watch stories about how bad blacks and other “oppressed groups” are supposedly treated.

    How else can one explain the rise of CNN and MSNBC who have tripled down on race-related stories since at least the Trayvon story. It’s the new bread and circuses.

  15. All criminals are career criminals.

    Think this through – a normal person doesn’t have a slow day at work and think “I know, I know, I’ll jack a car, burgle a couple of houses on the way home”. A normal person deosn’t walk into a place and immediate start thinking “gee, how can I break into this place later’. A normal person doesn’t meet someone and think “gee, I can rob him later”.

    A criminal doesn’t think any other way. By adolescence, it is always apparent that they are going to be who they are, and that their recidivism rate is essentially 100%.

    We need to replace prisons alright – replace three strikes and you are out with two strikes and you are dead……period. And bring back no shit, immediate, hard physical punishments for first time misdemeanors on up. The only lockups we should ever have are for people awaiting trial.

    And if disproportionately we execute non-Whites, tough.

  16. Bring back flogging for misdemeanors, and hanging for felonies. In many cases, not only would the punishment be more beneficial in preventing recidivism, but sometimes too the convicted party would prefer it to a long prison term.

  17. @DFH

    Rachel Kushner
     
    People named 'Kushner' seem to really love the idea of unleashing violent criminals upon the law-abiding people of America

    They should be strictly liable for the damages caused by the wild animals they unleash on us.

  18. Thanks to George Soros those “civil rights” organizations are getting their representatives elected as district attorneys across the country. Kim Foxx’s campaign got $500,000 from Soros. While in Philadelphia criminal defense attorney Larry Krasner’s campaign got $1.5 million from Soros. Since being elected DA Krasner has kept his promise to reduce the number of criminals in jail and has consented to cop killing piece of shit Mumia Abu Jamal getting yet another appeal.

    https://www.philly.com/news/mumia-abu-jamal-appeal-larry-krasner-withdraw-pennsylvania-supreme-court-20190417.html

    • Replies: @David In TN
    Regarding Krasner's action, to paraphrase Mandy Rhys-Davies, "He would, wouldn't he?"
  19. @william munny
    Looks like we are moving back into the "well the streets are safe, so crime isn't a real problem -- let's stop locking people up and let everyone out of prison now" phase, to be quickly followed by increases in crime. The real question is whether we will ever be able to get to the "we need to lock these animals up" phase.

    That was the heading on the old New York Times story “Prison Population Grows Despite Drop in Crime”.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    The NYT headline that made reporter "Fox Butterfield" famous...
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    “Prison Population Grows Despite Drop in Crime”

    https://www.nytimes.com/1998/08/09/us/prison-population-growing-although-crime-rate-drops.html

    I thought Polly Toynbee wrote something similar in the Guardian, in the years when Home Secretary Michael Howard sent people to jail ('prison works') and Labour successor David Blunkett continued the policy. I wonder if they or Google have memory-holed it?

    The Guardian, like the BBC, used to have really good search features - you used to be able to search between dates, for example. Both search engines have been dumbed down, so looking for that Toynbee piece (or its absence now means paging through 2,000 of her pieces - starting from 2019.

    "Crime Is Falling, Yet Our Prisons Have Never Been So Full"
  20. @Logan
    Is Prison Necessary?

    Actually a very good question. Let's discuss.

    I understand Sharia offers a rather simple alternative.

  21. “Miss Kushner meet Mr. Aranda, your new house mate.” Ok, that takes care of that, but let’s check in on the happy pair in a few months.

  22. @Logan
    Is Prison Necessary?

    Actually a very good question. Let's discuss.

    Prison is necessary for the first violent offense, but not after the second.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  23. Social grievance Maoists now infest the study of geography and environmental science.

    Ruth Wilson Gilmore is Director of the Center for Place, Culture, and Politics and professor of geography in Earth and Environmental Sciences at The City University of New York. In 2014, she received the Harold M. Rose Award for Anti-Racism Research and Practice from the Association of American Geographers.

    “Racism, specifically, is the state-sanctioned or extralegal production and exploitation of group-differentiated vulnerability to premature death.”

    “The more militant anticapitalism and international solidarity became everyday features of U.S. antiracist activism, the more vehemently the state responded by, as Allen Feldman (1991) puts it, “individualizing disorder” into singular instances of criminality.”

    Ruth Wilson Gilmore, Golden Gulag: Prisons, Surplus, Crisis, and Opposition in Globalizing California

    • Replies: @El Dato

    “Racism, specifically, is the state-sanctioned or extralegal production and exploitation of group-differentiated vulnerability to premature death.”
     
    So if Pol Pot increases the vulnerability to premature death of the "elite", is it racism?
  24. How often, and in what ways, do CUNY Professor Ruth Wilson Gilmore and NYT reporter Rachel Kushner interact with underclass and prole Americans?

    I’ll go out on a limb and guess that each uses money, class, and family connections to insulate themselves and their families. A safe neighborhood (doorman building in the East Village or Upper West Side?). Ubers rather than late-night subway rides. Navigating the Byzantine regulations of the NYC public schools for good primary-school placements for their kids, followed by an earned slot at a magnet or private high school. A garaged car for getaways to The Hamptons and vacations in nice places.

    Effects of the yearned-for End Incarceration policies on their lives? Negligible, beyond the feelz that come from seeing the admiring gaze of one of the Truly Good People, every time they look in the mirror.

    • Replies: @CCZ
    But, Ms. Gilmore is a working class hero; she is a Marxist.

    "I'm a good Marxist and I wanted to look at factors of production, but also to make it very clear – and this has to do with being a good Marxist – that these factors of mass incarceration, or factors of production, didn't have to be organised the way they were. They could have become something else. Therefore I begin with the premise that prison expansion was not just a response to an allegedly self-explanatory, free-floating thing called crime, which suddenly just erupted as a nightmare in communities."

    "I am an abolitionist. Abolition. Abolition is a plot against racial capitalism, which is all capitalism, not just some of it. It is a plot in a narrative sense. It is a plot in which the arc of change is always going resolutely toward freedom. It is a plot in a geographic sense. It is a plot in which we aim to make all space, not just some space, free in two senses. Free in the sense that it cannot be alienated (which is to say, sold, by anybody, to anybody); and free in the sense of non-exclusive. There is no boundary or border that would keep somebody in or keep somebody out. That is abolition, that’s the plot, that’s my plot."

    , @Oleaginous Outrager

    Navigating the Byzantine regulations of the NYC public schools for good primary-school placements for their kids, followed by an earned slot at a magnet or private high school.
     
    "Good schools" is the giveaway phrase for the real attitude towards "POC" of any SWPL. Their definition of such: a couple of Talented Tenths for appearances, some marginal students/good athletes cuz duh football team, some Asians to buoy the test scores (but not too many, they fuck up the grade curve), and some Latinx so their kids might know enough Spanish to communicate with the landscaping crew in their gated neighborhood.
  25. @Alfa158
    That was the heading on the old New York Times story “Prison Population Grows Despite Drop in Crime”.

    The NYT headline that made reporter “Fox Butterfield” famous…

  26. I haven’t seen any mention of the Mall incident on the supposedly popular, supposedly “conservative” news sites Breitbart and Drudge. If these are the best we have (I don’t think much of either, ditto for Rush Limbaugh) so far as getting information out to people, what hope to warn people of what’s going on in the real world? And by the way, the contemptuous mess on the head of that “scholar” deserves a prison term of its own.

  27. Sure, Logan. It’s utterly necessary since we won’t use the death penalty or corporal punishment or Australia.

    what else should be done with a young man who is unable or unwilling to work and instead gets his money from stealing? He does drugs, see, legal and illegal, and those cost money. Who wants to hire a drug user and how could said user be relied upon to do his job? So, he steals. He steals from his father and mother, from the local store, from his former friends, from his former boss. He breaks and enters, he sell stolen goods, he sells drugs too.

    And he gets arrested, many times. But he keeps getting released, even though all his family are remonstrating with the judge to keep him locked up. He makes their lives Hell, and he’s a menace to functioning society. What do you recommend? Rehab? Well, you’d have to keep him locked up for that to work, because the judge has sent him there before and he doesn’t show up. So prison it should be, until he’s cleaned up and humbled enough to repent and return to normalcy.

    As you can tell, I’m describing someone I know. My poor neighbor has a son who’s a complete reprobate and needs to be locked away and kept from destroying his family, his community, and himself. So as bad as prison is, and I have a relative who’s down for a long term, it’s the least bad option for this man.

  28. The hope is that by massive non stop violent crime against Whites that White genocide can be accomplished without trains, camps and ovens.

    Call it the let a thousand Damien Football Williams bloom.

    Hence no jail for violent Black offenders and no guns for Whites.

  29. @ic1000
    How often, and in what ways, do CUNY Professor Ruth Wilson Gilmore and NYT reporter Rachel Kushner interact with underclass and prole Americans?

    I'll go out on a limb and guess that each uses money, class, and family connections to insulate themselves and their families. A safe neighborhood (doorman building in the East Village or Upper West Side?). Ubers rather than late-night subway rides. Navigating the Byzantine regulations of the NYC public schools for good primary-school placements for their kids, followed by an earned slot at a magnet or private high school. A garaged car for getaways to The Hamptons and vacations in nice places.

    Effects of the yearned-for End Incarceration policies on their lives? Negligible, beyond the feelz that come from seeing the admiring gaze of one of the Truly Good People, every time they look in the mirror.

    But, Ms. Gilmore is a working class hero; she is a Marxist.

    “I’m a good Marxist and I wanted to look at factors of production, but also to make it very clear – and this has to do with being a good Marxist – that these factors of mass incarceration, or factors of production, didn’t have to be organised the way they were. They could have become something else. Therefore I begin with the premise that prison expansion was not just a response to an allegedly self-explanatory, free-floating thing called crime, which suddenly just erupted as a nightmare in communities.”

    “I am an abolitionist. Abolition. Abolition is a plot against racial capitalism, which is all capitalism, not just some of it. It is a plot in a narrative sense. It is a plot in which the arc of change is always going resolutely toward freedom. It is a plot in a geographic sense. It is a plot in which we aim to make all space, not just some space, free in two senses. Free in the sense that it cannot be alienated (which is to say, sold, by anybody, to anybody); and free in the sense of non-exclusive. There is no boundary or border that would keep somebody in or keep somebody out. That is abolition, that’s the plot, that’s my plot.”

    • Replies: @ic1000
    > Ms. Gilmore is a working class hero; she is a Marxist.

    No doubt.

    There was an amusing interview years back, where the reporter asked Noam Chomsky about the many benefits that accrue to him as an MIT professor, particularly his generous pension plan. To which working-class cause would he donate those ill-gotten gains?

    As I recall, Professor Chomsky was having none of it -- if a good leftist is forced to suffer by working and living within the system as-it-is, he should be the last rather than the first to accede to Marx's dictum.

    How about Professor Gilmore? Leave aside the compensated zeal with which she publishes volumes of fashionable revolutionary essays, for the moment. How much insulation is she willing to cast aside, for the Cause?
    , @stillCARealist
    so property is theft, right? If none of us own anything then there'll be no property crimes.
    , @guest
    Plot in the narrative sense? No, I think it's in the criminal conspiracy sense.

    Who taught her the word "factor?"

    How freeing it must be to unmoor yourself from sense and act the fool while earning a living.

  30. @Alfa158
    That was the heading on the old New York Times story “Prison Population Grows Despite Drop in Crime”.

    “Prison Population Grows Despite Drop in Crime”

    https://www.nytimes.com/1998/08/09/us/prison-population-growing-although-crime-rate-drops.html

    I thought Polly Toynbee wrote something similar in the Guardian, in the years when Home Secretary Michael Howard sent people to jail (‘prison works’) and Labour successor David Blunkett continued the policy. I wonder if they or Google have memory-holed it?

    The Guardian, like the BBC, used to have really good search features – you used to be able to search between dates, for example. Both search engines have been dumbed down, so looking for that Toynbee piece (or its absence now means paging through 2,000 of her pieces – starting from 2019.

    “Crime Is Falling, Yet Our Prisons Have Never Been So Full”

  31. Imagine a world without black, brown, Jew and queer.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    You forgot Islam.
  32. It’s time to consider arming all the people and take justice to the streets.

  33. @DFH

    Rachel Kushner
     
    People named 'Kushner' seem to really love the idea of unleashing violent criminals upon the law-abiding people of America

    Yup! Sixty million Germans were right all along.

  34. White people in America, at least the conservative variety have to make Landen their own Emitt Till. Have the guts to talk about him in all your polite company conversations.

    You don’t deserve a bloody country of your own if you don’t have the guts to do that.

  35. You’d think that owners and renters of mall retail space would unite in opposition to the normalization of mall murder sprees. They’re the ones with money on the line. I wonder what the liability is when these horrific incidents occur and how that affects their insurance rates, much less the rent for merchants.

    It probably factored into the recent closure of almost 6,000 malls. The country that pioneered the shopping mall is now a mall graveyard, with the PC priests downplaying the heinous acts to preserve the double standard on hate crimes.

    But it’s not just malls or just hate crimes; it is other mass murders of whites and / or of Americans.

    What about other public spaces, like workplaces? It took the PC media a long time to even admit that the San Bernadino massacre was an act of terrorism, and they seemed more concerned to prevent people from calling it radical Islamic terrorism than to condemn the crime. Since the terrorists attacked a government agency with a “diverse” majority-minority staff, the victims were mostly non-whites.

    Even then, minorities and their media champions were more interested in protecting the mass murderers from harsh critique since the murderers were minorities, right down to censoring the phrase “radical Islamic terrorists.” They were more interested in selectively controlling speech than in condemning the slaughter of 14 American office workers.

    Remember the on-air murder of a white news anchor and cameraman. That was a clear hate crime, with the evil murderer managing to turn the narrative upside-down, accusing two, young, educated and likely ultra-PC Millennials who were probably liberal if anything of racism. His victims had likely never done or said a racist thing, spending all of their lives in a non-racist social atmosphere five decades after the civil rights legislation.

    • Replies: @SWVirginian
    'Remember the on-air murder of a white news anchor and cameraman. That was a clear hate crime, with the evil murderer managing to turn the narrative upside-down, accusing two, young, educated and likely ultra-PC Millennials who were probably liberal if anything of racism. '

    This one I know well. The news anchor's boyfriend moved to the Assembly District in VA that housed both Virginia Tech and Radford U less than a year before he ran as a Dem. for the AD seat held by a relatively new young Rep. and beat him.

    First of all he had the sympathy vote of all those good libs at the 2 universities as the story was all over the media in these parts. Next some group made a concerted effort to register college students in this district. So we locals who pay the taxes got to watch a guy who had no background here win with a margin that was likely supplied by college students who didn't really live here but were here during Fall-Spring semesters. They would go 'home' in the summer and at all breaks. Half of them probably don't even live here anymore because they are no longer at VT & RU.

    Meanwhile the anchor's dad pops up everywhere sounding halfway unhenged on gun control. I understand his anguish; but it was affirmative action, not lack of gun control that got this woman shot. The murderer would not have been hired most likely if he hadn't been a black man and he almost certainly would not have lasted as long as he did. He had a very spotty employment record, even covering a story other than the one he'd been sent to cover.

    It was a tragedy all around; but in the 2018 session, the new Dem. AD delegate got to vote against making sanctuary cities illegal in VA so I guess it all works out, huh?
  36. anon[149] • Disclaimer says:

    Why wait? Let’s get this party started. Trump should starting issuing hundreds of reprieves for violent felons with an accompanying agreement that they move to Brentwood, Malibu, Laguna Beach, Martha’s Vineyard, the Hamptons, the Upper East Side*, etc….he could even order the federal government to eminent domain some neighborhoods and build affordable housing there for them. Of course, that’s exactly what republicans would do if they weren’t spineless and unimaginative.

    *Samantha Bee might not like that though, so we’ll have to do some convincing. You know, all those black kids going to HER kids school and all might invite another lawsuit + another 5,000 stories on how it’s really everyone else who are the real white supremacists.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  37. It tends to be women pushing the “is prison necessary” narrative much of the time. It’s almost as if they feel something different than men do when they see muscular, sweaty, dangerous men in trapped behind bars.

    Calling Heartiste!

    • LOL: jim jones
    • Replies: @GW
    *childless women

    Sailer’s covered this angle too regarding Merkel and the rapefugees. Motherhood seems to ground women toward a more sensible direction.
  38. SMK says: • Website
    @william munny
    Looks like we are moving back into the "well the streets are safe, so crime isn't a real problem -- let's stop locking people up and let everyone out of prison now" phase, to be quickly followed by increases in crime. The real question is whether we will ever be able to get to the "we need to lock these animals up" phase.

    This low-IQ savage, who is also deranged, should have been buried in prison after his first conviction for aggravated assault. Not only has he never been imprisoned, he’s never been jailed, not even for 30-60 days, apparently. And he was not ever ordered to wear an ankle-tether so the police could electronically monitor his location and movements. If so, the authorities would have known that he was at the mall of Somalia/Africa-America, where he was banned, twice, and he could have been arrested before he threw a 5-year-old child over a third-floor balcony.

    In contrast, Martha Steward was sentenced to a year in prison for a harmless lie, thanks to James Comey, ironically, and was judged to be so dangerous, such a “threat to society” and her “fellow citizens” of all ages and both sexes, that after her release from prison after “only” 5-months for “good behavior,” she was not only sentenced to 7-months of house-arrest but also forced to wear an ankle-tether/”bracelet” 24-hours a day.

    And when she’s released from prison after “only” 8 or 10 or 12 years, Abigail Simon must wear an ankle-tether until she dies in her 70s or 80s or 90s -albeit she has never committed a violent or other mala in se crime in her life and never will and is not a “threat to society” or to anyone nor even a “danger to re-offend” by having sex with another young man under statutory age.

    In a sane and just and rational country -as opposed to one in which violent and dangerous criminals, overwhelmingly black males and increasingly Mestizos-Amerindians, are systemically and often repeatedly coddled until they commit an atrocity so sickening and outrageous that not even left-liberal prosecutors and judges con indulge yet again- she would have been punished, non-criminally, by dismissal and the revocation of her license and expulsion from the profession. Or, at worst, charged with misdemeanor, however defined, and sentenced to 3-6 months of probation and perhaps 50-100 hours of some kind of “community service”: no prison, no jail, no “sex-offender treatment,” no quasi-totalitarian surveillance, no electronic parole-monitoring, no public sex-offender registration. And Martha Stewart would have been fined.

  39. @Logan
    Is Prison Necessary?

    Actually a very good question. Let's discuss.

    Is Prison Necessary? Actually a very good question. Let’s discuss.

    Prison is not necessary if you replace most imprisonment with executions.

    • Replies: @Logan
    Draco and Qin Shi Huang would agree. Neither of their systems lasted very long.
  40. @Mikethecop
    Imagine a world without black, brown, Jew and queer.

    You forgot Islam.

  41. @Days of Broken Arrows
    It tends to be women pushing the "is prison necessary" narrative much of the time. It's almost as if they feel something different than men do when they see muscular, sweaty, dangerous men in trapped behind bars.

    Calling Heartiste!

    *childless women

    Sailer’s covered this angle too regarding Merkel and the rapefugees. Motherhood seems to ground women toward a more sensible direction.

  42. Maybe the question shouldn’t be whether prison is necessary, but rather whether prison as it is currently designed (overcrowded, privatized and poorly funded) is useful for any other thing than producing “nothing to lose” animals and a very few reformed individuals.

    Is the prison system’s goal to improve prison contractors and taxpayers bottomline, or is its goal to produce as many reformed individuals as possible, that will learn a lesson from the deprivation of freedom but will have still a chance to positively contribute to society and turn their lives around once they get out?

    Is deprivation of freedom the main punishment of going to prison in the US, or is it also getting raped, beaten up, stabbed or threaten to get stabbed for minor idiocies such as sitting on the wrong table at “chow” time, accepting an apple from the wrong person, staring at someone “the wrong way”, having to defend your toilet paper, toiletries and other belongings or simply to see who’s top dog?

    But as always, cuckservatives and libertards chase around their tails with yes or no propositions like little more than cute dogs.

    Immigration yes or no? Mass incarceration more or less? Harsher penalties for this or that yes or no? Police patrols more or less?

    Of course from “intellectual” leadership such as Sailer, Derbyshire and Kirkpatrick, well I imagine this is as good as it gets.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Maybe the question shouldn’t be whether prison is necessary, but rather whether prison as it is currently designed (overcrowded, privatized and poorly funded) is useful for any other thing than producing “nothing to lose” animals"

    "Wet streets cause rain."
    , @Oleaginous Outrager

    is its goal to produce as many reformed individuals as possible, that will learn a lesson from the deprivation of freedom but will have still a chance to positively contribute to society and turn their lives around once they get out?
     
    You believe that such Pollyanna bullshit is even feasible yet feel smug enough to lambast the intellectual capabilities of anyone? The effort and techniques required to "reform" anti-social people against their will would make current prisons look like Happy Dayz Sleepaway Camp.
  43. OT: TV writer Rick “Marin” and his wife Ilene Rosenzweig finally made the Big Move from N.Y. to L.A. In addition to television work, he’s a writer for Outside magazine.

    The World’s Least Likely Outdoor Dad
    How a father-son trip to Yosemite conquered my fear of hiking, bears, and falling off chairlifts

    I’m not Mr. Nature. More of an indoorsman, if you will. I grew up in Toronto, a snowball’s throw from downtown, then moved to New York, where I dated women who’d take in my blinding urban pallor and say things like, “You gotta get out of the city.” And I’ve been perfectly happy in the traffic of Los Angeles—bingeing NPR in my air-conditioned SUV for the last ten years.

    I don’t camp, hike, or go anywhere I can’t plug in my electric toothbrush.

    https://www.outsideonline.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_850-width_flex-height/public/2019/04/09/rickmarin-son-hiking_h.jpg

    What’s this story about?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Mr. Mc, about People of Pallor.
  44. Emmanuel Aranda, a black man living in Minnesota, is alleged to have thrown Landen Hoffman, a white five year old, off the third floor of the Mall Of America.

    Not to mention all his public school teachers who gave him a sense of righteous rage against white people for everything that goes wrong for him in his banal evil life.

  45. anon[258] • Disclaimer says:

    “Bring back flogging for misdemeanors, and hanging for felonies.”

    The problem with such a policy is that it would, over the long term, make a despotic society much easier to control because the government wouldn’t credibly fear the masses; genes for aggression and non-conformity would be removed. You’d end up in a worse place than if you just stuck bad people together and occasionally let them fought it out, as cruel as that sounds. Society needs a few bad boys who’ll buck authority on occasion…just not engage in wanton violence all the time.

  46. I remember in the 1960s how rare it was to see a security guard in Chicago. Basically just banks. The rise in the share number of Blacks, as someone here noted, 4X, from Census numbers 1970 to 2015 while white population rose 9%, must presumably have led to a massive increase in “security” costs and guards in that time period.

    It’s amusing when in the 1960s we heard about what a “waste” of money it was to engage in Apollo.
    You can even hear this in the movie “Moonwalk One.” The thing is, the taxpayers’ money was spent in abundance on Blacks: LBJ’s “The Great Society.”

    We sacrificed America’s space program for “More of the Same” financed by whitey.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There is talk of "reparations"
    (while Black Man's playing the goon)

    For slavery they say, and stuff
    (still Black Man's playing the goon)

    Mister Farrakan he rally the masses
    (for Black Man's wants to play the goon)

    And "gun control" is being pushed
    (but Black Man's playing the goon)

    Old lady downstairs she got beaten to death
    (through Black Man's playing the goon)

    And a kid thrown down Mall of America
    (with Black Man playing the goon)

    Can't even get the cops to drive by my house no more
    (because Black Man's playing the goon)

    70s are truly gone, Whitey no longer lands on the Moon.
    (we only got Black Man playing the goon)
  47. @Andrew
    Replace prison with corporal punishment and slavery with proceeds of work going towards crime victims.

    Crime would quickly drop.

    Work camps in Alaska.

  48. @CCZ
    Social grievance Maoists now infest the study of geography and environmental science.

    Ruth Wilson Gilmore is Director of the Center for Place, Culture, and Politics and professor of geography in Earth and Environmental Sciences at The City University of New York. In 2014, she received the Harold M. Rose Award for Anti-Racism Research and Practice from the Association of American Geographers.

    “Racism, specifically, is the state-sanctioned or extralegal production and exploitation of group-differentiated vulnerability to premature death.”

    “The more militant anticapitalism and international solidarity became everyday features of U.S. antiracist activism, the more vehemently the state responded by, as Allen Feldman (1991) puts it, “individualizing disorder” into singular instances of criminality.”

    Ruth Wilson Gilmore, Golden Gulag: Prisons, Surplus, Crisis, and Opposition in Globalizing California

    “Racism, specifically, is the state-sanctioned or extralegal production and exploitation of group-differentiated vulnerability to premature death.”

    So if Pol Pot increases the vulnerability to premature death of the “elite”, is it racism?

  49. @Tiny Duck
    Maybe get the full story before jumping to conclusions.

    People of Color have to take a lot of new in white supremacist societies

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e68CoE70Mk8

  50. @CCZ
    But, Ms. Gilmore is a working class hero; she is a Marxist.

    "I'm a good Marxist and I wanted to look at factors of production, but also to make it very clear – and this has to do with being a good Marxist – that these factors of mass incarceration, or factors of production, didn't have to be organised the way they were. They could have become something else. Therefore I begin with the premise that prison expansion was not just a response to an allegedly self-explanatory, free-floating thing called crime, which suddenly just erupted as a nightmare in communities."

    "I am an abolitionist. Abolition. Abolition is a plot against racial capitalism, which is all capitalism, not just some of it. It is a plot in a narrative sense. It is a plot in which the arc of change is always going resolutely toward freedom. It is a plot in a geographic sense. It is a plot in which we aim to make all space, not just some space, free in two senses. Free in the sense that it cannot be alienated (which is to say, sold, by anybody, to anybody); and free in the sense of non-exclusive. There is no boundary or border that would keep somebody in or keep somebody out. That is abolition, that’s the plot, that’s my plot."

    > Ms. Gilmore is a working class hero; she is a Marxist.

    No doubt.

    There was an amusing interview years back, where the reporter asked Noam Chomsky about the many benefits that accrue to him as an MIT professor, particularly his generous pension plan. To which working-class cause would he donate those ill-gotten gains?

    As I recall, Professor Chomsky was having none of it — if a good leftist is forced to suffer by working and living within the system as-it-is, he should be the last rather than the first to accede to Marx’s dictum.

    How about Professor Gilmore? Leave aside the compensated zeal with which she publishes volumes of fashionable revolutionary essays, for the moment. How much insulation is she willing to cast aside, for the Cause?

  51. there are gay animals, therefore, gay marriage is natural.

    animals kill other animals and don’t go to prison, therefore, prison is not needed for humans either.

    how was my kook academic impersonation?

    • Replies: @guest
    There are animals who perform gay acte, but I don't know if they're actually gay.
  52. Anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Stalin
    I remember in the 1960s how rare it was to see a security guard in Chicago. Basically just banks. The rise in the share number of Blacks, as someone here noted, 4X, from Census numbers 1970 to 2015 while white population rose 9%, must presumably have led to a massive increase in "security" costs and guards in that time period.

    It's amusing when in the 1960s we heard about what a "waste" of money it was to engage in Apollo.
    You can even hear this in the movie "Moonwalk One." The thing is, the taxpayers' money was spent in abundance on Blacks: LBJ's "The Great Society."

    We sacrificed America's space program for "More of the Same" financed by whitey.

    There is talk of “reparations”
    (while Black Man’s playing the goon)

    For slavery they say, and stuff
    (still Black Man’s playing the goon)

    Mister Farrakan he rally the masses
    (for Black Man’s wants to play the goon)

    And “gun control” is being pushed
    (but Black Man’s playing the goon)

    Old lady downstairs she got beaten to death
    (through Black Man’s playing the goon)

    And a kid thrown down Mall of America
    (with Black Man playing the goon)

    Can’t even get the cops to drive by my house no more
    (because Black Man’s playing the goon)

    70s are truly gone, Whitey no longer lands on the Moon.
    (we only got Black Man playing the goon)

  53. This seems appropriate:

    ‘If the power and the self-confidence of a community keeps growing, the criminal law grows constantly milder. Every weakening and profound jeopardizing of the community brings the harsher forms of criminal law to light once more. The “creditor” always became proportionally more human as he became richer. Finally the amount of his wealth itself establishes how much damage he can sustain without suffering from it. It would not be impossible to imagine a society with a consciousness of its own power which allowed itself the most privileged luxury which it can have—letting its criminals go free without punishment. “Why should I really bother about my parasites,” it would then say. “May they live and prosper—for that I am still sufficiently strong!” . . . Justice, which started by stating “Everything is capable of being paid for, everything must be paid off” ends at that point, by covering its eyes and letting the person incapable of payment go free—it ends, as every good thing on earth ends, by destroying itself. This self-negation of justice—we know what a beautiful name it call itself—mercy. It goes without saying that mercy remains the privilege of the most powerful man, or even better, his movement beyond the law.’

    -Geneology of Morals

  54. @Tiny Duck
    Maybe get the full story before jumping to conclusions.

    People of Color have to take a lot of new in white supremacist societies

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e68CoE70Mk8

    Ohs Tinys……,

    Dey yous goes a agin……..

    Lendert “Loves pluggin his some Tinys Ducks” Pizzt

  55. @Andrew
    Replace prison with corporal punishment and slavery with proceeds of work going towards crime victims.

    Crime would quickly drop.

    I’ve thought flogging would be a great punishment for misdemeanors like drug possession, petty theft, DUI, and the like.

  56. jb says:

    Is there any particular reason to believe the mall heaver committed a hate crime, other than the fact that he is black and his victim white? (Yes, if the races had been reversed it’s likely the accusation would have been made, but that’s not evidence in this case one way or the other).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Is there any particular evidence it wasn't a hate crime?

    More importantly, why are we in the only ones discussing the question?

  57. @Mr McKenna
    OT: TV writer Rick "Marin" and his wife Ilene Rosenzweig finally made the Big Move from N.Y. to L.A. In addition to television work, he's a writer for Outside magazine.

    The World's Least Likely Outdoor Dad
    How a father-son trip to Yosemite conquered my fear of hiking, bears, and falling off chairlifts

    I’m not Mr. Nature. More of an indoorsman, if you will. I grew up in Toronto, a snowball’s throw from downtown, then moved to New York, where I dated women who’d take in my blinding urban pallor and say things like, “You gotta get out of the city.” And I’ve been perfectly happy in the traffic of Los Angeles—bingeing NPR in my air-conditioned SUV for the last ten years.

    I don’t camp, hike, or go anywhere I can’t plug in my electric toothbrush.

    https://www.outsideonline.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_850-width_flex-height/public/2019/04/09/rickmarin-son-hiking_h.jpg
     
    What's this story about?

    Mr. Mc, about People of Pallor.

  58. @peterike

    Is Prison Necessary? Actually a very good question. Let’s discuss.

     

    Prison is not necessary if you replace most imprisonment with executions.

    Draco and Qin Shi Huang would agree. Neither of their systems lasted very long.

  59. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @Scalper
    Maybe the question shouldn't be whether prison is necessary, but rather whether prison as it is currently designed (overcrowded, privatized and poorly funded) is useful for any other thing than producing "nothing to lose" animals and a very few reformed individuals.

    Is the prison system's goal to improve prison contractors and taxpayers bottomline, or is its goal to produce as many reformed individuals as possible, that will learn a lesson from the deprivation of freedom but will have still a chance to positively contribute to society and turn their lives around once they get out?

    Is deprivation of freedom the main punishment of going to prison in the US, or is it also getting raped, beaten up, stabbed or threaten to get stabbed for minor idiocies such as sitting on the wrong table at "chow" time, accepting an apple from the wrong person, staring at someone "the wrong way", having to defend your toilet paper, toiletries and other belongings or simply to see who's top dog?

    But as always, cuckservatives and libertards chase around their tails with yes or no propositions like little more than cute dogs.

    Immigration yes or no? Mass incarceration more or less? Harsher penalties for this or that yes or no? Police patrols more or less?

    Of course from "intellectual" leadership such as Sailer, Derbyshire and Kirkpatrick, well I imagine this is as good as it gets.

    “Maybe the question shouldn’t be whether prison is necessary, but rather whether prison as it is currently designed (overcrowded, privatized and poorly funded) is useful for any other thing than producing “nothing to lose” animals”

    “Wet streets cause rain.”

  60. @DFH

    Rachel Kushner
     
    People named 'Kushner' seem to really love the idea of unleashing violent criminals upon the law-abiding people of America

    People named ‘Kushner’ seem to really love the idea of unleashing violent criminals upon the law-abiding people of America.

    As everyone here has no doubt sussed out, i’m an agreeable, big-hearted kinda guy.

    Ergo, i’m 100% behind the Rachel Kushners of this world, getting to live in a society with criminals on the loose and with all the other similar progressive ideas they advocate.

    The problem is that we normal Americans have lost control of our nation and are subject to all the stupid ideas–minoritarianism, grievance feminism, multiculturalism, non-incarceration, “nation of immigrants”, “leaning-in”, LBGQWERTYism, open borders–the Rachel Kushners have pushed–out of hatred, will-to-power or sheer stupidity–into our culture and politics. Ideas that Western Civilization “evolutionarily” rejected–i.e. evolved the opposite approach–and are easy for intelligent people to logically debunk.

    This is the heart of the problem: we should not, must not be subjected to all the nasty, stupid ideas the Rachel Kushner’s are pushing on us.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  61. @Endgame Napoleon
    You’d think that owners and renters of mall retail space would unite in opposition to the normalization of mall murder sprees. They’re the ones with money on the line. I wonder what the liability is when these horrific incidents occur and how that affects their insurance rates, much less the rent for merchants.

    It probably factored into the recent closure of almost 6,000 malls. The country that pioneered the shopping mall is now a mall graveyard, with the PC priests downplaying the heinous acts to preserve the double standard on hate crimes.

    But it’s not just malls or just hate crimes; it is other mass murders of whites and / or of Americans.

    What about other public spaces, like workplaces? It took the PC media a long time to even admit that the San Bernadino massacre was an act of terrorism, and they seemed more concerned to prevent people from calling it radical Islamic terrorism than to condemn the crime. Since the terrorists attacked a government agency with a “diverse” majority-minority staff, the victims were mostly non-whites.

    Even then, minorities and their media champions were more interested in protecting the mass murderers from harsh critique since the murderers were minorities, right down to censoring the phrase “radical Islamic terrorists.” They were more interested in selectively controlling speech than in condemning the slaughter of 14 American office workers.

    Remember the on-air murder of a white news anchor and cameraman. That was a clear hate crime, with the evil murderer managing to turn the narrative upside-down, accusing two, young, educated and likely ultra-PC Millennials who were probably liberal if anything of racism. His victims had likely never done or said a racist thing, spending all of their lives in a non-racist social atmosphere five decades after the civil rights legislation.

    ‘Remember the on-air murder of a white news anchor and cameraman. That was a clear hate crime, with the evil murderer managing to turn the narrative upside-down, accusing two, young, educated and likely ultra-PC Millennials who were probably liberal if anything of racism. ‘

    This one I know well. The news anchor’s boyfriend moved to the Assembly District in VA that housed both Virginia Tech and Radford U less than a year before he ran as a Dem. for the AD seat held by a relatively new young Rep. and beat him.

    First of all he had the sympathy vote of all those good libs at the 2 universities as the story was all over the media in these parts. Next some group made a concerted effort to register college students in this district. So we locals who pay the taxes got to watch a guy who had no background here win with a margin that was likely supplied by college students who didn’t really live here but were here during Fall-Spring semesters. They would go ‘home’ in the summer and at all breaks. Half of them probably don’t even live here anymore because they are no longer at VT & RU.

    Meanwhile the anchor’s dad pops up everywhere sounding halfway unhenged on gun control. I understand his anguish; but it was affirmative action, not lack of gun control that got this woman shot. The murderer would not have been hired most likely if he hadn’t been a black man and he almost certainly would not have lasted as long as he did. He had a very spotty employment record, even covering a story other than the one he’d been sent to cover.

    It was a tragedy all around; but in the 2018 session, the new Dem. AD delegate got to vote against making sanctuary cities illegal in VA so I guess it all works out, huh?

  62. @Scalper
    Maybe the question shouldn't be whether prison is necessary, but rather whether prison as it is currently designed (overcrowded, privatized and poorly funded) is useful for any other thing than producing "nothing to lose" animals and a very few reformed individuals.

    Is the prison system's goal to improve prison contractors and taxpayers bottomline, or is its goal to produce as many reformed individuals as possible, that will learn a lesson from the deprivation of freedom but will have still a chance to positively contribute to society and turn their lives around once they get out?

    Is deprivation of freedom the main punishment of going to prison in the US, or is it also getting raped, beaten up, stabbed or threaten to get stabbed for minor idiocies such as sitting on the wrong table at "chow" time, accepting an apple from the wrong person, staring at someone "the wrong way", having to defend your toilet paper, toiletries and other belongings or simply to see who's top dog?

    But as always, cuckservatives and libertards chase around their tails with yes or no propositions like little more than cute dogs.

    Immigration yes or no? Mass incarceration more or less? Harsher penalties for this or that yes or no? Police patrols more or less?

    Of course from "intellectual" leadership such as Sailer, Derbyshire and Kirkpatrick, well I imagine this is as good as it gets.

    is its goal to produce as many reformed individuals as possible, that will learn a lesson from the deprivation of freedom but will have still a chance to positively contribute to society and turn their lives around once they get out?

    You believe that such Pollyanna bullshit is even feasible yet feel smug enough to lambast the intellectual capabilities of anyone? The effort and techniques required to “reform” anti-social people against their will would make current prisons look like Happy Dayz Sleepaway Camp.

  63. @ic1000
    How often, and in what ways, do CUNY Professor Ruth Wilson Gilmore and NYT reporter Rachel Kushner interact with underclass and prole Americans?

    I'll go out on a limb and guess that each uses money, class, and family connections to insulate themselves and their families. A safe neighborhood (doorman building in the East Village or Upper West Side?). Ubers rather than late-night subway rides. Navigating the Byzantine regulations of the NYC public schools for good primary-school placements for their kids, followed by an earned slot at a magnet or private high school. A garaged car for getaways to The Hamptons and vacations in nice places.

    Effects of the yearned-for End Incarceration policies on their lives? Negligible, beyond the feelz that come from seeing the admiring gaze of one of the Truly Good People, every time they look in the mirror.

    Navigating the Byzantine regulations of the NYC public schools for good primary-school placements for their kids, followed by an earned slot at a magnet or private high school.

    “Good schools” is the giveaway phrase for the real attitude towards “POC” of any SWPL. Their definition of such: a couple of Talented Tenths for appearances, some marginal students/good athletes cuz duh football team, some Asians to buoy the test scores (but not too many, they fuck up the grade curve), and some Latinx so their kids might know enough Spanish to communicate with the landscaping crew in their gated neighborhood.

  64. @CCZ
    But, Ms. Gilmore is a working class hero; she is a Marxist.

    "I'm a good Marxist and I wanted to look at factors of production, but also to make it very clear – and this has to do with being a good Marxist – that these factors of mass incarceration, or factors of production, didn't have to be organised the way they were. They could have become something else. Therefore I begin with the premise that prison expansion was not just a response to an allegedly self-explanatory, free-floating thing called crime, which suddenly just erupted as a nightmare in communities."

    "I am an abolitionist. Abolition. Abolition is a plot against racial capitalism, which is all capitalism, not just some of it. It is a plot in a narrative sense. It is a plot in which the arc of change is always going resolutely toward freedom. It is a plot in a geographic sense. It is a plot in which we aim to make all space, not just some space, free in two senses. Free in the sense that it cannot be alienated (which is to say, sold, by anybody, to anybody); and free in the sense of non-exclusive. There is no boundary or border that would keep somebody in or keep somebody out. That is abolition, that’s the plot, that’s my plot."

    so property is theft, right? If none of us own anything then there’ll be no property crimes.

  65. “Aranda is clearly bad, and dangerous person—Steve Sailer’s response (Maybe We Need More Mass Incarceration?) is the only correct one.”

    No it isn’t. I’ll not be convinced that it is more morally correct to incarcerate millions of dangerous (or merely incompatible) blacks here in the US (forever, apparently, on the tax payer’s dime) rather than repatriating them to Africa where they can be free to do as they wish.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Blacks made good progress, most of them, during the era between Reconstruction's end and the "civil rights" (sic) era. Those who didn't got weeded out by harsh long imprisonment, lynching, or other fates. They were making progress until 1965 and the Great Society when everything went straight to hell.

    Blacks who are descended (mostly) from slaves should be given a choice: reparations and separation or life under white rule. John Wayne had it right. If they choose to stay they will have some political representation but it will be circumscribed by a white majority. Single motherhood will be made unpleasant and "knocking up bitchezz" a way to get sterilized or imprisoned if the male involved can't pay child support. The criminals will be dealt with rather brutally. Blacks who work, mind their own business, commit no crimes and who are at least marginal net assets will be left alone.
    , @MBlanc46
    I think that’s making the (unattainable) perfect the enemy of the “good enough”, Mike.
  66. @jb
    Is there any particular reason to believe the mall heaver committed a hate crime, other than the fact that he is black and his victim white? (Yes, if the races had been reversed it's likely the accusation would have been made, but that's not evidence in this case one way or the other).

    Is there any particular evidence it wasn’t a hate crime?

    More importantly, why are we in the only ones discussing the question?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Everyone is desperate to pretend that they’re the up in punching down.
    , @ic1000
    > Is there any particular evidence [the mall-heaving] wasn’t a hate crime?

    Arguing by analogy: White cop killing black civilian is always a hate crime. Any flavor cop killing white civilian is never a hate crime (in fact, it's too boring to even think about).

    So, no, the alleged action was not a hate crime, and (bonus points) his state of mind is irrelevant to the story, and should not be speculated on.
    , @David In TN
    "More importantly, why are we the only ones discussing this question?"

    Exactly. The MSM has mentioned this one without the subject even coming up.
  67. Abolish prison? Unless she’s talkin exile to Australia or significant expansion of the death penalty, no.

  68. @CCZ
    But, Ms. Gilmore is a working class hero; she is a Marxist.

    "I'm a good Marxist and I wanted to look at factors of production, but also to make it very clear – and this has to do with being a good Marxist – that these factors of mass incarceration, or factors of production, didn't have to be organised the way they were. They could have become something else. Therefore I begin with the premise that prison expansion was not just a response to an allegedly self-explanatory, free-floating thing called crime, which suddenly just erupted as a nightmare in communities."

    "I am an abolitionist. Abolition. Abolition is a plot against racial capitalism, which is all capitalism, not just some of it. It is a plot in a narrative sense. It is a plot in which the arc of change is always going resolutely toward freedom. It is a plot in a geographic sense. It is a plot in which we aim to make all space, not just some space, free in two senses. Free in the sense that it cannot be alienated (which is to say, sold, by anybody, to anybody); and free in the sense of non-exclusive. There is no boundary or border that would keep somebody in or keep somebody out. That is abolition, that’s the plot, that’s my plot."

    Plot in the narrative sense? No, I think it’s in the criminal conspiracy sense.

    Who taught her the word “factor?”

    How freeing it must be to unmoor yourself from sense and act the fool while earning a living.

  69. @prime noticer
    there are gay animals, therefore, gay marriage is natural.

    animals kill other animals and don't go to prison, therefore, prison is not needed for humans either.

    how was my kook academic impersonation?

    There are animals who perform gay acte, but I don’t know if they’re actually gay.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Likewise Homo Sapiens.
  70. @Stogumber
    To be fair, Ruth Wilson Gilmore is not the average "cook". She has confuted some much-loved leftist ideas about prisons. And her core idea is possibly correct: that there is a carcerial-industrial complex the same way as a military-industrial complex ("complex" not so much like a conspiration than like a network of interrelated interests), enabled only by the modern leviathan state.
    If we ignore the moral questions, the more impressive descriptive part of her work seems rather good. A lot of her insights could be found as well from libertarian authors; some insights could be found as well from Steve Sailer.

    Closing down prisons and jails will disparately impact blacks and other minorities. Prison guard is an occupation reserved for POCs.
    So is much of law enforcement and both civil and criminal court jobs reserved for POCs.

    Government is the only employer of the millions of affirmative action middle class POCs.

    If we significantly reduce prison and jail populations, we’ll have to find other jobs for blacks

  71. @guest
    There are animals who perform gay acte, but I don't know if they're actually gay.

    Likewise Homo Sapiens.

  72. @Steve Sailer
    Is there any particular evidence it wasn't a hate crime?

    More importantly, why are we in the only ones discussing the question?

    Everyone is desperate to pretend that they’re the up in punching down.

  73. @DFH

    Rachel Kushner
     
    People named 'Kushner' seem to really love the idea of unleashing violent criminals upon the law-abiding people of America

    You are correct. Read the damn comments in NY Times article and you will realize why most of these people belong incarcerated in mental institutions for life. Can you imagine if this was white guy who threw a black child over the balcony of the Mall! I’m sure this woman would have written the same article.

  74. @Steve Sailer
    Is there any particular evidence it wasn't a hate crime?

    More importantly, why are we in the only ones discussing the question?

    > Is there any particular evidence [the mall-heaving] wasn’t a hate crime?

    Arguing by analogy: White cop killing black civilian is always a hate crime. Any flavor cop killing white civilian is never a hate crime (in fact, it’s too boring to even think about).

    So, no, the alleged action was not a hate crime, and (bonus points) his state of mind is irrelevant to the story, and should not be speculated on.

  75. It’s hardly surprising that the loons are finally calling for the total abolition of prison. About 40% of Americans currently oppose all capital punishment, but if you probe them for their reasons and play those arguments out to their logical conclusions, what most of them are really objecting to (without fully realizing it) is the entire idea of state-imposed punishment for crime. Anyway, having read Kipling, I have a pretty good idea what happens when all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sins.

  76. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Aranda is clearly bad, and dangerous person—Steve Sailer’s response (Maybe We Need More Mass Incarceration?) is the only correct one."

    No it isn't. I'll not be convinced that it is more morally correct to incarcerate millions of dangerous (or merely incompatible) blacks here in the US (forever, apparently, on the tax payer's dime) rather than repatriating them to Africa where they can be free to do as they wish.

    Blacks made good progress, most of them, during the era between Reconstruction’s end and the “civil rights” (sic) era. Those who didn’t got weeded out by harsh long imprisonment, lynching, or other fates. They were making progress until 1965 and the Great Society when everything went straight to hell.

    Blacks who are descended (mostly) from slaves should be given a choice: reparations and separation or life under white rule. John Wayne had it right. If they choose to stay they will have some political representation but it will be circumscribed by a white majority. Single motherhood will be made unpleasant and “knocking up bitchezz” a way to get sterilized or imprisoned if the male involved can’t pay child support. The criminals will be dealt with rather brutally. Blacks who work, mind their own business, commit no crimes and who are at least marginal net assets will be left alone.

  77. Is Prison Necessary? Ruth Wilson Gilmore Might Change Your Mind

    I wonder if Dylan Roof could change her mind?

  78. You will notice (but almost nobody else will) that the heaver didn’t target a woman, he targeted a white. Of course, nobody is talking about a hate crime charge for Aranda.

    He likely chose a child because they’re so much more vulnerable. Imagine trying to grab an adult and hurl them over a railing as they panic and thrash.

    But a child is also the ultimate target for race-hate, in that they represent the future for the hated group. The Nation of Islam inspired Zebra killers of the seventies earned points for their kills, with children scoring highest, then women, then men.

    It would be interesting to know the race of the women he’d harassed at the mall. I’d bet on a trend. I’d also bet if the racial roles were reversed they’d be building a case for hate charges around it.

  79. @Andrew
    Replace prison with corporal punishment and slavery with proceeds of work going towards crime victims.

    Crime would quickly drop.

    Corporal punishment, yes. Serious restitution in place of incarceration, yes, in some cases. Slavery? I don’t think we can sell tgat one.

  80. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Aranda is clearly bad, and dangerous person—Steve Sailer’s response (Maybe We Need More Mass Incarceration?) is the only correct one."

    No it isn't. I'll not be convinced that it is more morally correct to incarcerate millions of dangerous (or merely incompatible) blacks here in the US (forever, apparently, on the tax payer's dime) rather than repatriating them to Africa where they can be free to do as they wish.

    I think that’s making the (unattainable) perfect the enemy of the “good enough”, Mike.

  81. @Steve Sailer
    Is there any particular evidence it wasn't a hate crime?

    More importantly, why are we in the only ones discussing the question?

    “More importantly, why are we the only ones discussing this question?”

    Exactly. The MSM has mentioned this one without the subject even coming up.

    • Replies: @SMK
    like nearly all black-on-white atrocities, this "case" is a" local story." Outside of Minnesota, how many newspapers, websites, and nightly news programs have even covered and mentioned this horrendous and sickening atrocity, however briefly, much less exposed the identities of the victim and criminal by showing their pictures or otherwise divulging their races much less claiming or even asking if this outrage was a "hate crime," which it was, transparently and incontrovertibly.

    Has anyone on Fox News, even a reporter, mentioned this atrocity? All this past week, this atrocity was ignored by Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Laura Ingraham. Not a word was spoken, not by them or, almost surely, any of the other "talking heads," hosts, guest, reporters, etc. while there were daily updates, often lengthy, and discussions, on the heinous crimes of Lori Loughlin and Felicitiy Hoffman
    , @SMK
    like nearly all black-on-white atrocities, this "case" is a" local story." Outside of Minnesota, how many newspapers, websites, and nightly news programs have even covered and mentioned this horrendous and sickening atrocity, however briefly, much less exposed the identities of the victim and criminal by showing their pictures or otherwise divulging their races much less claiming or even asking if this outrage was a "hate crime," which it was, transparently and incontrovertibly.

    Has anyone on Fox News, even a reporter, mentioned this atrocity? All this past week, this atrocity was ignored by Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Laura Ingraham. Not a word was spoken, not by them or, almost surely, any of the other "talking heads," hosts, guest, reporters, etc. while there were daily updates, often lengthy, and discussions, on the heinous crimes of Lori Loughlin and Felicitiy Hoffman
  82. @jcd1974
    Thanks to George Soros those "civil rights" organizations are getting their representatives elected as district attorneys across the country. Kim Foxx's campaign got $500,000 from Soros. While in Philadelphia criminal defense attorney Larry Krasner's campaign got $1.5 million from Soros. Since being elected DA Krasner has kept his promise to reduce the number of criminals in jail and has consented to cop killing piece of shit Mumia Abu Jamal getting yet another appeal.

    https://www.philly.com/news/mumia-abu-jamal-appeal-larry-krasner-withdraw-pennsylvania-supreme-court-20190417.html

    Regarding Krasner’s action, to paraphrase Mandy Rhys-Davies, “He would, wouldn’t he?”

  83. “Emmanuel Aranda” sounds like an African name. What is this guy’s ethnic background?

  84. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:

    This is such an despicable crime. In many parts of the World the guy would have been lynched by the mob on the spot – even if he was not black and was one of their own. Here people go about as if it is a routine thing. I am not even white, and I am outraged and my dislike for blacks went up a quite a bit.

    White people who are not moved by this are sick and deserved to be rubbed out of the gene pool along with that animal who committed the crime.

  85. SMK says: • Website
    @David In TN
    "More importantly, why are we the only ones discussing this question?"

    Exactly. The MSM has mentioned this one without the subject even coming up.

    like nearly all black-on-white atrocities, this “case” is a” local story.” Outside of Minnesota, how many newspapers, websites, and nightly news programs have even covered and mentioned this horrendous and sickening atrocity, however briefly, much less exposed the identities of the victim and criminal by showing their pictures or otherwise divulging their races much less claiming or even asking if this outrage was a “hate crime,” which it was, transparently and incontrovertibly.

    Has anyone on Fox News, even a reporter, mentioned this atrocity? All this past week, this atrocity was ignored by Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Laura Ingraham. Not a word was spoken, not by them or, almost surely, any of the other “talking heads,” hosts, guest, reporters, etc. while there were daily updates, often lengthy, and discussions, on the heinous crimes of Lori Loughlin and Felicitiy Hoffman

  86. SMK says: • Website
    @David In TN
    "More importantly, why are we the only ones discussing this question?"

    Exactly. The MSM has mentioned this one without the subject even coming up.

    like nearly all black-on-white atrocities, this “case” is a” local story.” Outside of Minnesota, how many newspapers, websites, and nightly news programs have even covered and mentioned this horrendous and sickening atrocity, however briefly, much less exposed the identities of the victim and criminal by showing their pictures or otherwise divulging their races much less claiming or even asking if this outrage was a “hate crime,” which it was, transparently and incontrovertibly.

    Has anyone on Fox News, even a reporter, mentioned this atrocity? All this past week, this atrocity was ignored by Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Laura Ingraham. Not a word was spoken, not by them or, almost surely, any of the other “talking heads,” hosts, guest, reporters, etc. while there were daily updates, often lengthy, and discussions, on the heinous crimes of Lori Loughlin and Felicitiy Hoffman

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