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For a long time I’ve been pointing out that a lot of the bad blood in the human sciences traces to a little-remarked but natural rivalry between the two heavyweight champion ethnicities of the intellectual world: Askhenazis versus Anglo-Americans. What Einstein is to Jews, the Darwin-Galton-Fisher tradition ought to be to WASPs.

Therefore, ethnocentrists such as Stephen Jay Gould tended to see the dominance in 1960s-70s evolutionary theorizing of WASP country boys like Ed Wilson, Bill Hamilton, George Williams, and John Smith as some kind of conspiracy to keep down the honest sons of the Outer Boroughs.

I was glad to see that my observation isn’t wholly idiosyncratic and Stanford neuroendocrinologist Robert Sapolksy has noticed it too:

 
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  1. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:

    It could well be that a great many Englishmen of the upper classes have roots in the countryside, and grew up in houses in which pets, most notably cats and dogs featured notably, also growing up with wildlife just a short walk away from the house often inculcates a lifetimes fascination with wild animals and their ways.

  2. @Anonymous

    William D. Hamilton grew up only 5 miles from Darwin’s house in Kent. When he was 9, Hamilton’s mom made him walk to Darwin’s house and back, but he didn’t appreciate what he saw because he was tired.

  3. anon[426] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    A 21 year old Australian girl stabbed a 195cm tall teenage boy with a stiletto. His head had to be put back together by doctors. What was the punishment for the girl? A $250 fine.

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/brisbane-news-stiletto-assault-jazzmin-fry-kyle-johns/b5f05e74-da32-4e10-9376-14af3a5ed3a9

  4. I feel like the paranoid conspiracy theories about non-Jewish white supremacy undergirding every discipline probably originated in this parochial ethnic conflict. It’s time to move on, people!

    • Replies: @Gordo
    , @James N. Kennett
  5. Michigan has level ‘per pupil’ funding, plus a kicker for at risk students. Most kids in Detroit, a black city, are at risk. Notwithstanding this, the schools there, run by a black board, are horrible.

    Three years ago they demanded and got a special 600 million in taxpayer funding, which they then gave half of to the Ilitch family to build a new sports arena, and put in pay parking lots around the arena.

    Why did they give the money to a non black family? They have been on the NAACP fund board for years and provide money to a lot of the black pastors.

    This year they are giving then family another 80 million for more parking lots, lots that the family profits on.

    It is literally insane. The rest of the state provides money for the black school kids, and they turn around and sell the taxpayer funding.

    Now the muslims are getting into the act here…

    We are going to run out of white tax payers at some point.

    • Agree: Liza
  6. Jewish people consciously or subconsciously sense that there are average genetic differences between ethnic groups, including some special talents and characteristics of average Ashkenazi Jews, and due to their history and culture many of them go berserk with rage and fear about the potential implications. Hence they provide a powerful organized resistance to research or honest discussion on human biodiversity. It is a real shame since it is blocking scientific understanding and open-minded political compromise on important issues. We need more Jewish allies willing to acknowledge the truth of HBD openly and join the resistance.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    , @SFG
  7. SFG says:

    Interestingly, Sapolsky was the child of recent Soviet immigrants, which may have been a reason why he went for the ‘nature’ camp–a lot of those guys, from what I’ve seen, lean further right than their fleeing-from-the-Czar-descended relatives.

    • Replies: @notanon
    , @Anonymous
    , @CPK
  8. Anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Most biologists started on their careers dues to a fascination with animals.

    James Watson, for example, was a devoted child ornithologist.

  9. Being neither a WASP nor an Anglosphere Jew of of East European heritage, I can’t help thinking how much the two groups ended up having in common. It would be flattering to say it was another example of “everything that rises, converges” but I don’t think so. I think WASPs went down to meet East European Jewry on its way up and now they’re hanging out together in the civilizational stairwell.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  10. Polynikes says:
    @Anonymous

    It would seem that for people who grew up familiar with animal husbandry, gardening, and the planting of other crops (many of which tend to be just different variations of some original, often smaller, plant) the revelation of the evolutionary process and genetics would have just seemed a logical extension of what they were already noticing in the world.

    Anyone familiar with dog breeds ought to similarly understand the variations in other species, especially humans. I’m guessing they do, but polite society demands the that they pretend not to.

  11. Corvinus says:

    “Similarly, Nicholas Wade is an ethnocentric Englishman proud of his people’s accomplishments in the Darwinian tradition.”

    Would those accomplishments include jackbooting other groups of people for God, glory, and gold, like similar groups before the English? Would he acknowledge that his brethren should have picked their own damn cotton? Would he realize that his (white) ancestors actions led to the “invade the world, invite the world” mentality seemingly embraced by our elites today?

    When you set it up on a tee, Mr. Sailer, expect the ball to be driven long and hard down the center of the fairway.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @bomag
  12. El Dato says:
    @anon

    It was a drunken act. It was my 21st birthday and it’s not me. I don’t know why I did that and I wasn’t in the right mind frame,” she said.

    Well, this IS Australia, where wildlife from spiders to Kangaroos and Drop Bears tries to kill you. You just have to lump 21-year old angry women into the mix.

    Come to think of it, these anti-abortion bills that have been in the news, bemoaned by Alyssya Milano and other unknown actresses as the Revenge of the Patriarchy to Control Bodies, female, trans, bitrans or otherwise … it’s really not a step in a desired demographic direction, is it?

    • Agree: Dtbb
  13. @Anonymous

    You’re missing something more important about having “roots in the countryside”:

    Agriculture’s critical dependence on breeding both animals and plants.

    Culture is artificial selection. Race is the result. So it is true, in a sense, that culture determines our characteristics but only in the original sense of “culture”. Re-definition of words is critical to the success of Ashkenazi epistemology.

  14. Jason Liu says:

    Well the Jews have won. It’s not even close. They and their ideas dominate academia.

    Team WASP’s flaw was believing in academic freedom when their opponents didn’t. So team Jew purged team WASP the second they got the upper hand.

    I’ve noticed this pattern to be true across all your cultural battlefields. You believe in some kinda freedom. Your enemy doesn’t. You let him talk/organize while he shuts you down. You lose. You complain about your freedom. They laugh. Repeat.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Anon
  15. notanon says:
    @SFG

    i imagine rucursive group contrariness could play a big part in science

    group B rebel against group A
    group C rebel against group B
    etc

  16. Gordo says:
    @Hoyt Thorpe

    I feel like the paranoid conspiracy theories about non-Jewish white supremacy undergirding every discipline probably originated in this parochial ethnic conflict. It’s time to move on, people!

    Separation would provide an answer.

  17. Nathan says:

    I don’t know, can’t we get a better intellectual legacy than Darwin’s? He didn’t understand genetics, and the whole theory has mostly produced just-so stories that can’t be refuted or verified.

    We’ve also got James Clerk Maxwell, Isaac Newton, Paul Dirac, etc. Modern physics is more of a WASP-Jew team up than just the product of either group.

  18. Anonymous[860] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG

    their fleeing-from-the-Czar

    Stuff that didn’t happen.

  19. BB753 says:

    Gould’s hero was Marx, not Einstein.

  20. I see that only the science / math people count as usual. Throw in some visual artists, and the WASPs might have a fighting chance. Take a museum-grade, but lesser known, artist with an oeuvre that has to be 90% IQ / 10% hard work due to his limited tenure on Earth. Richard Parkes Bonington died at 26 years old, but left behind a ton of first-rate paintings in different genres and mediums. He deserves to be more famous. Because of the degree of technical skill and experience-based craftsmanship required, there are very few child prodigy visual artists. The few examples are usually the sons or daughters of professional drawing / painting teachers.

  21. So, a couple of data points and you’re off to the races with your perfidious-joos fixation. Not one of your better posts, Steve. In fact, it could be the Onion version of your oeuvres.

  22. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    EO Wilson:

    Wilson was born in Birmingham, Alabama. According to his autobiography Naturalist, he grew up mostly around Washington, D.C. and in the countryside around Mobile, Alabama.[11]

    At nine, Wilson undertook his first expeditions at the Rock Creek Park in Washington, DC. He began to collect insects and he gained a passion for butterflies. He would capture them using nets made with brooms, coat hangers, and cheesecloth bags.[11] Going on these expeditions led to Wilson’s fascination with ants. He describes in his autobiography how one day he pulled the bark of a rotting tree away and discovered citronella ants underneath.[11] The worker ants he found were “short, fat, brilliant yellow, and emitted a strong lemony odor”.[11] Wilson said the event left a “vivid and lasting impression on [him]”.[11] He also earned the Eagle Scout award and served as Nature Director of his Boy Scout summer camp. At the age of 18, intent on becoming an entomologist, he began by collecting flies, but the shortage of insect pins caused by World War II caused him to switch to ants, which could be stored in vials. With the encouragement of Marion R. Smith, a myrmecologist from the National Museum of Natural History in Washington, Wilson began a survey of all the ants of Alabama. This study led him to report the first colony of fire ants in the US, near the port of Mobile.[13]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Wilson#Early_life

    Sewall Wright:

    Sewall Wright was born in Melrose, Massachusetts to Philip Green Wright and Elizabeth Quincy Sewall Wright. His parents were first cousins,[7] an interesting fact in light of Wright’s later research on inbreeding. The family moved three years later after Philip accepted a teaching job at Lombard College, a Universalist college in Galesburg, Illinois.

    Galesburg pop in 1900:18,607

    • Replies: @Noman
  23. @anon

    Your link does not work too well.

    Here is a better one: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7007977/Party-girl-stabbed-stranger-head-STILETTO-random-unprovoked-attack.html

    I take this as evidence of the variance in violence proneness among people and the fact that people have been selected for controlling their more basic emotions.

    Some people are generally unlikely to commit violence when they are intoxicated. There are others, however, who will commit violence when intoxicated but who would not normally do so. The alcohol reduces their level of control over their more basic natures.

  24. @International Jew

    “If the condom don’t fit, you must acquit!”

    Speaking of Harvard, Massachusetts once had a law allowing female jurors to be excused if a trial looked to be particularly gruesome. Harvey chose the wrong state.

    Guess who killed such laws? Yup… Ruth Bader Ginsburg. As a lawyer.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  25. @Lawyer Guy

    Once all the white tax-payer money runs out they’ll cry “poor pitiful me, look what the horrible racism did” to the Fed.

  26. >Therefore, ethnocentrists such as Stephen Jay Gould tended to see the dominance in 1960s-70s evolutionary theorizing of WASP country boys like Ed Wilson, Bill Hamilton, George Williams, and John Smith as some kind of conspiracy to keep down the honest sons of the Outer Boroughs.

    That is pure projection on your part. As a child of the outer boroughs I suspect I’m in a better position to suss out S J Gould’s prejudices than you are because I went through the same thought process as he did, growing up in the same milieu 7 years earlier than he. Gould enjoyed the heights of academic success. If he had any sense of being the victim of a goyishe conspiracy early on before he became a great success, they would have long since vanished assuming he had them in the first place.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  27. @International Jew

    Come on, IJ. Sapolsky can be honest about this pattern without screaming ‘antisemitism’. So why not you?

    I’m very sympathetic to Jews of that era being upset by anti-meritocratic exclusion from many institutions by WASPs. But that doesn’t excuse the consistently anti-rational, anti-Christian, and indeed, anti-Israel, behavior of left Jews after the unfair barriers were torn down in the 1950’s and 60’s.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  28. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    For a long time I’ve been pointing out that a lot of the bad blood in the human sciences traces to a little-remarked but natural rivalry between the two heavyweight champion ethnicities of the intellectual world: Askhenazis versus Anglo-Americans. What Einstein is to Jews, the Darwin-Galton-Fisher tradition ought to be to WASPs.

    This is not a good analogy.

    Most people, WASP or otherwise, have never heard of Galton or Fisher. And Darwin doesn’t have the same status as Einstein. He’s a hero or villain to people with strong religious and ideological commitments about Christianity, Creationism, and science.

    Ed Wilson is an entomologist and popularizer, not a serious theorist. And while he’s not a good theorist, at least he did some useful stamp collecting type work as an entomologist. Whereas Gould never did anything useful as a paleontologist and engaged almost exclusively in obfuscation.

    There really was no rivalry. They were basically in different intellectual domains.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @ben tillman
  29. CPK says:

    Sapolsky has a lot of very sensible things to say about human behavioral biology and things like kinship favoritism. He comes across as sort of a hippie leftist, and he’s mostly talking about baboons rather than humans directly, and he never talks about race directly, so nobody freaks out about or tries to have him declared anathema.

    He also (rightly) makes clear that humans are complex and that we should be cautious about shoehorning human behavior into animal models (and vice versa). But he also doesn’t shy away from the parallels — in fact, the whole point of his research is that baboon behavior tells us something useful about humans.

    Stanford’s posted the lectures from his human behavioral biology class online, and they’re worth a look.

  30. OT:

    Today’s HBD Mitten report from the NYT:

    Tyree Guyton Turned a Detroit Street Into a Museum. Why Is He Taking It Down?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/09/magazine/tyree-guyton-art-detroit.html

    Plenty of goodwhite genuflection in the comments.

  31. @Reg Cæsar

    In the Document Sex Bias in the US Code, 1977, of which Ginsburg was a co-author and thus must have at least consented to the following, we find:

    18 U.S.C. §2032 — Eliminate the phrase “carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife who has not attained the age of sixteen years” and substitute a Federal, sex-neutral definition of the offense patterned after S. 1400 §1633: A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person, not his spouse, and (1) compels the other person to participate: (A) by force or (B) by threatening or placing the other person in fear that any person will imminently be subjected to death, serious bodily injury, or kidnapping; (2) has substantially impaired the other person’s power to appraise or control the conduct by administering or employing a drug or intoxicant without the knowledge or against the will of such other person, or by other means; or (3) the other person is, in fact, less than 12 years old.

    I would say I was appalled if I weren’t so unsurprised by it wrt RBG.

    You can find the document in it’s entirety here: https://www2.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/usccr/documents/cr12se9.pdf

    (That document is searchable, BTW.)

  32. @International Jew

    He’s trying to help y’all get your shit together. Outlawing criticism of oneself is a one-way ticket to mediocrity and worse.

    • Agree: jon
  33. From 50,000 ft. level:

    The Jews have done excellent work in physics where their math IQ and theorizing occasionally yield insight. And even practical stuff in bio related fields like medicine.

    But when it comes to anything impinging on actual human behavior–social science through politics–they’ve been an end-to-end disaster. You could pitch out everything the Jews have done good and bad and our understanding and politics would be much improved.

    These are fields where disciplining yourself to empirical reality–much more of an Anglo strength–is critically important but is (unfortunately) not enforced the same way it is in physics. (There’s always another excuse. Oh look, stereotype threat.)

    But more importantly, i think, is just that Jews though their history have a strong desire to cook up kumbaya, minoritarian “diversity is our strenght!” narratives of humanity where everyone in the natural order would be perfectly happy with Jewish explotation and commercial dominance but for this virus of “anti-semitism”.

    This is, of course, complete pablum–contrary to everything we know about humans–tribes, warfare, religion, “culture”, nations–and heck, even basic biology! But people–even smart people–will spout absolute b.s. if it serves their interests and emotional needs.

  34. @Desiderius

    They’ve been pretty successful in Europe. Just saying.

  35. I have always found that Jews were much more aware of the WASP rivalry than WASPs, WASPs naively shared power in the Ivy leagues and handed the keys to jews ‘we trust you’ while the jews thought under the breath “I though so sucker’

    and yet simply pointing this out is still anti-semetic.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  36. Anon[860] • Disclaimer says:

    Why are Jews so envious of Northern Europeans?

    • Replies: @Neuday
  37. @International Jew

    So, a couple of data points and you’re off to the races with your perfidious-joos fixation. Not one of your better posts, Steve. In fact, it could be the Onion version of your oeuvres.

    Offer your own–better–theory.

    I get the holocaust sensitivities and all. But this Jewish thing of “you can’t criticize us” is ridiculous–and just bad character. Everyone tends toward being somewhat sensitive about themselves–who likes criticism? But people of character can deal honestly with the world.

    I was raised Catholic–full program, Catholic school through HS. But i don’t have a problem discussing the very legitimate critique of Catholics/Catholicism. The Church was propagating basically a feudal, hierchial view/system and was usually the enemy of republicanism. Republicans will naturally have a negative opinion. I can completely understand why my protestant and anti-authoritarian grandfather wasn’t a big fan of my mom marrying my “papist” dad. (I naturally approve of them getting together and getting it on–but i get it.)

    I’m half Irish. Don’t have any problem acknowledging that the Irish really haven’t contributed much to creating the modern world. (Bodies working in America, yes, but actual contributions pretty minimal.) And lots of us are drunks. Worse, belligerant drunks. (I think one thing we did learn about Kavanaugh is that he–at least younger–was probably an a*hole drunk.)

    Jews have been/are super-prominent in American cultural and intellectual life. Yet, taken as a body, their work in the social sciences, media and politics is garbage–from mediocre to just plain wrong, and destructive to society, Western civilization.

    Jews who disagree what their co-ethnics have cranked out–leftist, anti-biological, minoritarianism and anti-nationalism–should be willing to acknowledge this, call them out on it, offer their critique. If you don’t like Steve’s theorizing … offer your own.

  38. @anon

    Do not piss off Australian women, obviously.

  39. Further proof,”High School Never Ends!”

  40. @AnotherDad

    But people–even smart people–will spout absolute b.s. if it serves their interests and emotional needs.

    Here you sound quite like Dr. Freud.

  41. @Dieter Kief

    I think you misspelled Dr Fraud.

    • Replies: @anon
  42. anon[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    Before the Civil War there was much talk of “the slave power” in the South. It was a broad idea with a loose definition, but still a useful and factually true concept. The slave power included slave owners + local businessmen in the South + preachers + local politicians who all had common political interests, and those interests included maintaining slavery.

    The modern narrative overplays the role of slavery in causing the war, and definitely overplays abolition as a heroic justification for the war. Nonetheless “the slave power” was real, and it was a real force in American politics.

    It is perfectly acceptable to acknowledge and critique “the slave power”.

    Is there some reason we can’t acknowledge and critique Jewish power?

    • Replies: @guest
    , @MBlanc46
  43. Anonymous[860] • Disclaimer says:

    a little-remarked but natural rivalry between the two heavyweight champion ethnicities of the intellectual world: Askhenazis versus Anglo-Americans.

    Do the Germans deserve to be included here? (On the other hand, they and the Anglos are largely the same people.)

  44. Growing up in boston….id like to second the motion that many irish are belligerant drunks

    • Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows
  45. Clyde says:
    @anon

    He got all “stitched up” check out the Anglo-Slang. Aside from this I wish him the full recovery.

  46. Anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m a little dubious about your claim that these two ethnicities are the giants of the scientific world, Steve. Jews, yes. But when judged against their overwhelming economic power, population and geographical spread, I’d say the Anglo-Saxons have contributed less than the continental Germans. I have a suspicion we know more about the work of Anglo-Saxon scientists merely because they wrote in English. But even in biology, there were plenty of German thinkers who were simply excellent. There was also a decline in the German tradition post WW2 which may have led to some of them not getting the recognition they deserve today.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  47. @AnotherDad

    Your projection here is breathtaking. The dichotomy is between down to earth Jews (when overdone being cynical cum nihilist) vs lost in the clouds – initially via Plato – Protestants (overdone to levelers, gnostics, progtards, what have you).

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @AnotherDad
  48. @Dieter Kief

    Those notoriously Judaizing Catholics at it again.

  49. CPK says:
    @SFG

    Problem is that (1) Prof. Sapolsky’s kind of a weirdo (in the best sense) so I’m not sure he illustrates any sort of trend or pattern; and (2) he doesn’t “lean right” by any stretch of the imagination.

    We could probably look at his bio and come up with some sort of just-so story about why he background inclined him towards this line of work… but it’s not like the east African veldt in the 1970s was swarming with ethologists who grew up as Orthodox Russian Jews in Brooklyn.

    For what little it’s worth: My experience is that Soviet emigres tended to be cynical and opportunistic, rather than particularly ideological. Of course, they came by it honestly. They grew up in a culture where ideology was just a thin intellectual gloss over who/whom. You don’t shed that sort of programming the instant you emigrate.

    Granted, my experience is with later Soviet (c. 1980) emigres and it’s just a very broad generalization. And it’s probably also true of other immigrants from low-trust societies where the “rule of law” is just a fraud used to screw your enemies. Some people are pleased to find that in America it doesn’t worth that way. Others figure that this is just how the world works, and at least in America, at least they have a chance to be the ones doing the screwing.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  50. @AnotherDad

    As should be obvious from my post, I have no objection to criticising or being criticised, nor to generalization or “noticing”. My objection is to Steve spinning his theories on evidence that’s (1) ridiculously thin and (2) selective.

    He gives us Stephen Jay Gould against Edward O. Wilson. I can give you Steven Pinker against Margaret Meade.

    You wanna throw Karl Marx at me? I’ll throw you Milton Friedman back.

  51. iffen says:
    @International Jew

    So, a couple of data points and you’re off to the races with your perfidious-joos fixation.

    How in the hell do you get this out of his post?

  52. iffen says:
    @AnotherDad

    So where does someone like Pinker fit into your scheme?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  53. @Desiderius

    I’m not against criticism. See my response to AnotherDad.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  54. @AnotherDad

    >Jews have been/are super-prominent in American cultural and intellectual life. Yet, taken as a body, their work in the social sciences, media and politics is garbage.

    Nonsense on stilts. A counter-factual: Leo Strauss. Strauss wrote on the ancient thinkers – Plato, Thucydides – as well as on the moderns from Hobbes to Heidigger. If there was a greater mind at work on the big questions, name him. And what about Richard Posner? The jurist Posner has written with authority on aging and old age, sexuality, politics, and many other topics. His schtick if you will is using the tools of the economic analysis of phenomena inspired by the work of the jew Gary Becker.

    Apparently you research the ethnic and religious background of the author of whatever you are reading so as to judge its worth for those extrinsec reasons. A strong case could be made for judging a piece of writing on the basis of what it says.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @SFG
  55. iffen says:
    @International Jew

    your perfidious-joos fixation

    Seriously? He didn’t write a damn word about golf courses.

  56. Lot says:
    @International Jew

    Jew Critique, even when not malicious, nonetheless is usually similar in content, but not degree, to the genocidal stuff. And it takes some careful discernment to distinguish a genuinely mild Jew Critique from a genocider who is toning it down.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Desiderius
    , @Dtbb
    , @Moses
    , @3g4me
  57. res says:
    @International Jew

    He gives us Stephen Jay Gould against Edward O. Wilson. I can give you Steven Pinker against Margaret Meade.

    Did you read the quoted tweet which gave six Jewish examples (and four counterparts) rather than just one?

  58. res says:
    @Lot

    Some people seem to have a great deal of trouble with making that distinction. Which is all the more remarkable given some of the over the top “white privilege” rhetoric thrown about. Perhaps the difficulty in discernment is related to projection for some?

    • Replies: @Lot
  59. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    “But this Jewish thing of “you can’t criticize us” is ridiculous–and just bad character.”

    Oh is that the rule? It isn’t a very strong one. Jews are criticized at what, 100 times the per capita rate of any other ethnicity.

    How many anti-Irish v anti-Jewish hate sites are their on the Internet? How many terrorist murders have their been at Irish churches the past couple years?

    The Jewish Question has been fully resolved in the Anglosphere for a long while now. People who can’t get over it are reviled by popular consensus, not because Jews are especially touchy.

  60. Lot says:
    @res

    “Some people seem to have a great deal of trouble with making that distinction. ”

    Adolf: Jews have an inborn desire to destroy Christian nations and should be murdered.

    MacDonaldists: “ “ “ “ “ and should be asked politely to stop.

    Adolf: Jews must wear patches on their clothing.

    Phil Giraldi: Jewish pundits on TV should be identified as Jewish.

    If antisemites were a large or powerful group it might make sense to discern their various flavors. But they are few and marginalized, so who cares?

    If they had anything to say that was interesting, sure. But I’ve yet to see anything of interest, just exaggerations, libels, and resentment.

    • Replies: @res
    , @BigDickNick
    , @BigDickNick
  61. Bubba says:

    Don’t have any problem acknowledging that the Irish really haven’t contributed much to creating the modern world. (Bodies working in America, yes, but actual contributions pretty minimal.)

    Hmm… you might want to travel one of these days and meander through the gravestones of say Gettysburg, Little Big Horn, Meuse-Argonne, Normandy, North Africa American Cemetery, Manila American Cemetery, etc… that’s some minimal contribution to the West by your fellow Irishmen.

    And the Erie Canal (Irish) was no small feat, but its significance in American history is completely forgotten today.

    You should always question the motivation behind the NYT’s relentless propaganda and their libelous, pop culture Wakanda sycophants – discover real history for yourself.

  62. @International Jew

    If you think Steve Sailer of all people has a Joo (btw, go fuck yourself with this casual slur) hangup then you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  63. @Lot

    Oh bullshit on a stick. Sailer’s critiques have less than nothing in common with those of, say, the site’s host or the Dork Right JQ morons.

    • Replies: @Lot
  64. @Lot

    The science is settled is how the world gets bad science and the Jews get supercharged regression past the mean. Take it from a veteran of shiny happy Niceanity, nonjudgmentalism is a great way to piss away two-thousand years of hard-won collective wisdom and tradition in no time flat.

    Whether you consider Sailer to be enemy or friend is beside the point. He is an acute critic, and that is valuable in it’s own right. Despite what you tell yourselves, Jews do not have a surfeit of those these days, as befits your new-found and well-earned standing in the world.

  65. @anon

    The alleged victim ain’t some Eskimo Lady, Kebab, Didgeridoo Playa, or Kangaroo – so it’s all good.

    Just another Luv Misdemeanor, mate.

    Before the attack, Fry was filmed advancing towards Mr Johns, who is 1.95m tall, as he retreated. She took off her shoe and threatened him, asking:

    ‘Want my f**king heel through your eyeball c**t?’

    Jazzmin Fry pleaded guilty to the assault last week and a magistrate imposed a $250 fine. No conviction was recorded.

    “It was a drunken act. It was my 21st birthday and it’s not me.

    I don’t know why I did that and I wasn’t in the right mind frame,” she said.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  66. Lot says:
    @Desiderius

    Steve’s observations about Jews and making fun of dumb and leftist ones I don’t include as Jew Critique, as there’s not any hint of malice or essentialism, nor is it one sided.

    There was a point years ago where he seemed MacDonald-curious, but I assume he now gets that “group evolutionary strategy” isn’t how human evolution works.

    • Replies: @Moses
  67. Noman says:
    @syonredux

    18 years old during WW2 and he was off chasing bugs inside the USA?
    And an Eagle Scout. Leadership potential.
    Something smells.
    Maybe related to Woodrow Wilson or a Wilson of Wilson sporting goods.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  68. @Steve Sailer

    Aren’t the relevant animals pigeons, horses and dogs? Those were the ones that were bred for various qualities, even well before Darwin. Englishmen also fancied that they knew something about human breeding patterns. The term “good breeding” is recorded as early as Jane Austen…

  69. res says:
    @Lot

    What you say sounds pretty reasonable. Until various people start playing the motte and bailey game which turns “someone whom Jews don’t like” into “anti-Semite.”

    The double standard of criticizing others freely while being utterly unwilling to accept criticism is breathtaking to behold. There is a good reason the word “chutzpah” is so frequently used to describe what it does.

  70. Vinteuil says:
    @International Jew

    …a couple of data points…

    Well, I count 17, mentioned in the OP:

    Beckwith, Chomsky, Darwin, Devore, Fisher, Galton, Gould, Hamilton, Hrdy, Hubbard, Kamin, Lewontin, Smith, Trivers, Wade, Williams, Wilson

    But, hey – what’s about an order of magnitude between friends?

    I mean, c’mon – the role of Jewish/gentile differences in all this isn’t everything – but it isn’t nothing, either.

  71. @Lot

    “Oh is that the rule? It isn’t a very strong one. Jews are criticized at what, 100 times the per capita rate of any other ethnicity.”

    What a joke.

    Can you imagine the media coverage if there was an english colony in syria called saxonland that was constantly annexing parts of syria and had millions of arabs living under occupation with no end in sight?

    what if billionaires with deep connections to saxonland made up most of the top donors to both parties? What if we fought wars to defend saxonland and paid each citizen of saxonland like 5k/ year.

    • Replies: @Aufklærer108
  72. @Lot

    The Jewish Question has been fully resolved in the Anglosphere for a long while now. People who can’t get over it are reviled by popular consensus

    “Our dominion over the nations is complete and unassailable! Also, we do not really wield tremendous wealth and power, and those who dare to claim otherwise will be squashed like the pathetic little bugs they are, by our many minions! Now bow down before your masters! But pretend you aren’t bowing! Yes, like that! No, like this!”

    And so on. Yes, we’ve all heard it a thousand times in a thousand ways.
    Now run along outside and play in traffic.

  73. @Anonymous

    Do the Germans deserve to be included here?

    See my book review of Glad’s “Jewish Eugenics”

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the_strange_evolution_of_eugenics_steve_sailer/

    For mid-Century scientific/engineering accomplishment, you have as representative achievements:

    1. German ballistic missiles
    2. Heavily Jewish atomic bomb
    Put ’em together, and you have The End of the World staring you in the face for decades.
    3. Structure of DNA (classic Anglo-American; by the way, Francis Crick was named after Francis Galton).

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    , @syonredux
    , @Ibound1
  74. BenKenobi says:
    @International Jew

    Puttin’ in some overtime tonight I see.

    Can 100,000,000 (one hundred million) deaths be credibly laid at Milton Freidman’s feet?

    • Replies: @International Jew
  75. Ringo S says:

    Besides the human sciences, I wonder why….
    In contrast to medicine, theoretical physics, and the social sciences, Jews had very little impact on aerospace (Wright Brothers, Langley, Curtis, Lindbergh, Goddard, von Braun, Ruskies, astronauts,…. ) and electronics (Edison, Tesla, de Forest, Shannon, Shockley, Bardeen, Brattain, Kilby, Noyce). The space program now is almost passe in the mind of the general public, and except for computer entrepreneurs (Gates and Jobs, which isn’t really electronics per se), not one in a hundred college educated people could name any electronics pioneers after Edison and Tesla). Surely, aerospace and electronics have had as big an impact on the modern world as the human/social sciences. Why such a low profile for these gentlemen? Not interesting enough demographic?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Anonymous
    , @Kyle
  76. Vinteuil says:
    @bored identity

    I’ve got a little list.

    They’d none of them be missed.

  77. @Bubba

    I’d also add the Irish contribution to literature but, on second thought, I don’t think I’ll bother.

  78. @Lot

    Weird that racially discriminatory and anti-white affirmative action is currently a law, but you believe that simply identifying people as jewish is anti-semitic AND you also believe jews are subject to 100x more criticism than other groups. How do you reconcile those ideas?

    Do you understand we currently have a settler zionist as ambassador to israel? That would be like having a guy named ching chang who donates to groups that want to conquer the south china sea FOR china as US ambassador to china. How can you possibly believe this stuff?

  79. Vinteuil says:
    @Steve Sailer

    1. German ballistic missiles
    2. Heavily Jewish atomic bomb
    Put ’em together, and you have The End of the World staring you in the face for decades.

    Now that’s what I call food for thought.

    Remember that old BBC/PBS series Connections? SS notices more & deeper connections than James Burke ever did.

  80. @Lot

    “But this Jewish thing of “you can’t criticize us” is ridiculous–and just bad character.”

    Oh is that the rule? It isn’t a very strong one. Jews are criticized at what, 100 times the per capita rate of any other ethnicity.

    How many anti-Irish v anti-Jewish hate sites are their on the Internet? How many terrorist murders have their been at Irish churches the past couple years?

    Lot, this is ridiculous.

    Jews are criticized because they are prominent and effective–and push strongly in a particular “minoritarian”, “pro-immigration”, “anti-nationalist”, “anti-Christian-traditionalist” vein. (Calling it “leftism” isn’t accurate, because it’s a very different sort of leftism than “good pay for the working man!”.) This … pisses people off. People actually care–quite rightly–about seeing their race and culture attacked and their nations torn down.

    The Irish are intellectual pipsqueaks. And they are not pushing in any particular direction. Back in the day the Irish generated some strong negative opinions with their crime, shitty behavior and later political machines. Now … they’re boring. If they started to at least somewhat coherently push in some direction that was hostile to white people i’m sure you’d hear a lot of anti-Irish stuff on-line. Deservedly.

    This is the same old nonsense. People notice that Jews–at least somewhat coherently–push an ideology that is in their interest (or at least their preceived interest as a “minority” outgroup) but hostile to the interests of white majorities … and they are “anti-Semites”. I.e. shutup!

    Please. I couldn’t give a shit what DNA haplogroup you’re from, or what weird tribal religious practices your ancestors had compared to my ancestors. I care about lies and propaganda that are attacks on my people, culture and nation–and our right to exist.

    • Agree: HammerJack, Moses
    • Replies: @fnn
  81. @Lot

    florida recently passed a bill that punishes people for “anti-semitism” one of the definitions it gives is criticizing the power of the jewish community.

    How do you reconcile the existence of that bill with your claim that jews are subject to more criticism than other groups?

  82. guest says:

    Darwin is well-respected, not sure why exactly. When it comes to “Social Darwinism,” its Jewish critics tend to go after non-Darwin Englishmen/WASPs like Galton, Herbert Spencer, Lothrop Stoddard, Madison Grant, etc. This has got to be one of the most beat-upon and little-studied group of intellectuals ever.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  83. @Lot

    Florida recently passed a bill that punishes people for “anti-semitism” one of the definitions it gives is criticizing the power of the jewish community.

    How do you reconcile the existence of that bill with your claim that jews are subject to more criticism than other groups?

    Also, i think its pretty telling that you went from “jews are criticized more than anyone else” to “criticism of jews is annudah shoah” so quickly

  84. @Anonymouse

    The problem with scholars like Leo Strauss is that whatever good they do us Gentiles it comes with:

    The Jewish people and their fate are the liv­ing witness for the absence of redemption. This, one could say, is the meaning of the chosen people; the Jews are chosen to prove the absence of redemption. The greatest expression of this, surpassing everything that any present-day man could write, is that great Jewish prayer, which will be known to some of you and which is a stumbling block to many, Aleinu leshnbeia. It would be absolutely improper for me to read it now.

    Jewish philosophy and the crisis of modernity : essays and lectures in modem Jewish thought by Leo Strauss pg 327

    More recently, we have Rabbi Schmuley making a closely related point. Jewish morality is based not on tending to one’s own spiritual garden but on telling the rest of us (the nations of the world) we’re irredeemably wrong.


    (Starting around 14:20, if it doesn’t go there automatically)

    We also have the lovely and talented David Frum recommending that the current wave of populism suggests others will need to undergo the same multi-generational shame therapy Germany has enjoyed:

  85. fnn says:
    @AnotherDad

    Wasn’t the Second Klan mainly about opposition to drunken, corrupt, priest-ridden Irish Catholics?

  86. guest says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Freud, who discovered the previously hidden fact that people have feelings and do things for unknown reasons.

  87. @anon

    WhiteTrash-on-White violence is a significant risk for above-median Whites in the ‘night-life’ areas of major cities in the UK and Oz – although it’s hard to tell since very few normal white folks go “clubbing” so it’s mostly Trash-on-Trash.

    Inner-urban 90-IQ white trash slatterns are on a hair-trigger when they’re liquored up… and nobody’s ever allowed to discipline them in CurrentYear, so they have few social inhibitions.

    This is very different from how it was in the 1980s when I was a bouncer.

    Back then it was perfectly acceptable to deck a woman if the situation demanded it – e.g., if they had king-hit someone, or if they had a weapon.

    Everyone in a given venue understood that if they ‘arc’d up‘, five 100kg black-clad blokes would kick the shit out of everyone involved, and throw them into the street (where they would get into taxis and be a pain in the arse to the driver).

    The recent dramatic reduction in the legal permission-to-violence granted to bouncers, has given the Bogan[1] classes carte blanche to bring their domestic arrangements – characterised by extreme violence – into the urban nightlife, and the results are as you might predict. Remove a constraint on a thing, and you will get more of it.

    That’s not to say that some bouncers weren’t total assholes who used the role as an outlet for a penchant for violence: as I’ve often said about all jobs involving violence or fraud (politiian, judge, cop, soldier)… “Ask yourself: what type of person really really wants that job?“. Bad apples yadda yadda… but at least they were still subject to lawsuits if they flagrantly misbehaved (unlike the political class and their Myrmidons).

    The Strayan political class is glad to have Bogan Violence to point to, as it furnishes yet more imaginary hobgoblins that are cynically used to increase the reach of the police state. They have convinced the housewives of Straya that normal-class kids are at risk of a ‘one punch’ attack (which used to be called getting ‘king hit’ – i.e., where the victim is hit from their blind side or rear).

    In reality, it’s relatively rare that middle-class kiddies find themselves in places where the Bogan class have their weekend drunken revels – even King’s Cross in Sydney has been largely de-Boganated.

    As usual, the law was ‘badly’ drafted, so now any assault that involves a single clean shot is deemed a ‘one punch ‘attack – and the perp faces escalated charges (unless they’re a pig).

    There used to be a well-worn posturing threat in Bogan Straya

    Go on – have a fucken go, ya cunt. There’ll be three hits – I’ll hit you; you’ll hit the floor; and the ambos will hit 80 getting you to hospital

    HBDers really need to think just how much emotional attachment they have to their fellow-Whites, once you start getting down to the bottom 2 cognitive-socioeconomic quintiles; in the very bottom quintile they’re virtually a different species.

    My guess is that the average HBDer has about as much desire to interact with the Submerged Fifth[1], as the average SJW has to live in a neighbourhood with a large Black Fraction.

    [1] Bogan (n.) Australian White Trash. Characterised by: tattoos; smoking; ears barely above their eyeline; leisurewear featuring logos of motor vehicle manufacturers; absence of impulse control. In addition, in the female: blonde hair dye; hair extensions; stripper heels (during revels); vast amounts of face goo; willingness to engage in sex acts in public places.

    [2] Used to be the ‘submerged tenth‘, but selective breeding (subsidising reproduction in ways that furnish no incentives above the median) has seen Idiocracy-style dysgenics ramify.

    NB: I do feel some compassion for people anywhere in the bottom 40%, because they are not cognitively equipped for life in a modern industrial-technological society. If we hadn’t solved the infant mortality issue in the 1950s and 60s, there would have been far less social dysgenics, because 40% of them would have died before they got to breeding age.

    Less dead kids is always better, but the mismatch between fecundity and mortality has gotten out of hand at the bottom of White society. Something has to be done to stop dummies from squirting out kids like it’s a video game: “stop subsidising them for additional kids” would be a good start.

    • Replies: @anon
  88. bgates says:

    So, a couple of data points and you’re off to the races with your perfidious-joos fixation. Not one of your better posts, Steve. In fact, it could be the Onion version of your oeuvres.

    You think it should be obvious from that that you have no objection to being criticized?

  89. guest says:
    @anon

    Beyond that, there were conspiracy theories put forth by men like Lincoln about slavocrats secretly plotting to turn all states into slave states. Maybe the whole world, I dunno. This was supposed to have resulted in such phenomena as the Dredd Scott decision, which was in actual fact an abolitionist scheme gone wrong.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  90. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:

    I’d never really heard of Fisher. I see that he got this into the UNESCO statment on race, in a dissenting appendix:

    Sir Ronald Fisher has one fundamental objection to the Statement, which, as he himself says, destroys the very spirit of the whole document. He believes that human groups differ profoundly “in their innate capacity for intellectual and emotional development” and concludes from this that the “practical international problem is that of learning to share the resources of this planet amicably with persons of materially different nature, and that this problem is being obscured by entirely well intentioned efforts to minimize the real differences that exist”.

    Fisher rejected the ghost-in-the-machine bias of the statement:

    Fisher’s attitude towards the facts stated in this paragraph is the same as Muller’s and Sturtevant’s, but this is how he puts his objections: “As you ask for remarks and suggestions, there is one that occurs to me, unfortunately of a somewhat fundamental nature, namely that the Statement as it stands appears to draw a distinction between the body and mind of men, which must, I think, prove untenable. It appears to me unmistakable that gene differences which influence the growth or physiological development of an organism will ordinarily pari passu influence the congenital inclinations and capacities of the mind. In fact, I should say that, to vary conclusion (2) on page 5, ‘Available scientific knowledge provides a firm basis for believing that the groups of mankind differ in their innate capacity for intellectual and emotional development,’ seeing that such groups do differ undoubtedly in a very large number of their genes.”

    The adopted UNESCO statement itself, that Fisher dissented from, is way less woke than I had expected. It’s filled with qualifications and warnings about what is not known. There is a lot of “There is no evidence at present” stuff in there. There is a lot of cherry picking when people quote from it. And I hadn’t realized that the UNESCO statement was a redo of an earlier, more woke UNESCO statement that scientists generally rejected.

    https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000073351

  91. SFG says:
    @Dieter Kief

    He’s really just saying ‘cui bono’, which is pretty common-sense and hence un-Freudian.

  92. SFG says:
    @Anonymouse

    I think he does have a point that Freud and all the guys responsible for the 60s did a lot of damage to Western Civ.

    Ironically I’m a much bigger believer in evo psych than a lot of the whole liberal/CultMarx strain of thinking. I guess blood doesn’t always breed true? Or maybe only being half dilutes the effect? At some point the blood has to be too thin to pass on the curse, to quote a 90s RPG…

  93. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    Do the Germans deserve to be included here? (On the other hand, they and the Anglos are largely the same people.)

    The Germans are more closely related to the French than they are to the English ( cf how ancestry tests lump the Germans and the French into the same same category).

  94. syonredux says:
    @Noman

    18 years old during WW2 and he was off chasing bugs inside the USA?
    And an Eagle Scout. Leadership potential.
    Something smells.

    Wilson was born in 1929; he didn’t turn 18 until 1947, two years after WW2 ended:

    Edward Osborne Wilson (born June 10, 1929),

    Also, he was blind in one eye:

    In the same year that his parents divorced [age 7], Wilson blinded himself in one eye in a fishing accident. He suffered for hours, but he continued fishing.[11] He did not complain because he was anxious to stay outdoors. He did not seek medical treatment.[11] Several months later, his right pupil clouded over with a cataract.[11] He was admitted to Pensacola Hospital to have the lens removed.[11] Wilson writes, in his autobiography, that the “surgery was a terrifying [19th] century ordeal”.[11] Wilson was left with full sight in his left eye, with a vision of 20/10.[11] The 20/10 vision prompted him to focus on “little things”: “I noticed butterflies and ants more than other kids did, and took an interest in them automatically.”[12]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Wilson

    • Replies: @McFly
  95. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Then there’s population genetics, with the primary founders being an Anglo Trinity:

    JBS Haldane(UK)

    Sewall Wright (USA)

    R A Fisher (UK)

  96. @Lot

    The Jewish Question has been fully resolved in the Anglosphere for a long while now. People who can’t get over it are reviled by popular consensus, not because Jews are especially touchy.

    That’s a bit, er, un-self-aware, coming from a you—don’t you post a lot of circa 2015/16 ‘smug’ Pepe the Frog images? One obvious thing about Pepe and his knowing smirk: The “JQ” is resolved to those who popularized the meme, and not in a way I presume you’d like. (There are a few Magen David-sporting Pepes out there, but these pale in number to the predominant Nazi and alt-right ones.)

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @SFG
  97. Moses says:
    @International Jew

    You didn’t respond to Dad’s challenge to offer your own explanation.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  98. Anoj says:
    @International Jew

    Perhaps he’s wrong, but Steve’s superpower is that when he notices something, he writes about it, without first putting it through a filter to check if it is taboo or must be subject to an impossibly high standard of proof (“because Holocaust,” “because brutal legacy of slavery,” etc.). This approach frees up the brain to do what it is good at doing.

  99. Moses says:
    @Lot

    Lol ladies and gentlemen I present Lot:

    “If they run they’re Viet Cong. If they don’t run they’re well-trained Viet Cong.”

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  100. @Lot

    How many anti-Irish v anti-Jewish hate sites are their on the Internet?

    How many terrorist murders have their been at Irish churches the past couple years?

    Are those questions, or wishful thinking?

    Either way – you know you can do better than this.

    There are no laws, written or unwritten, that prevent Lot from making the most disgusting- on ‘The Aristocrats’ level- comments or jokes about the Irish Potato Famine.

  101. Moses says:
    @Lot

    I assume he now gets that “group evolutionary strategy” isn’t how human evolution works.

    Oh I dunno about that.

    Romans are gone. Baalists are gone. Jews still here.

    Jew diaspora has survived as a distinct, cohesive ethnic/racial group for 3,000 years. You might even call them a “species.”

    Jews are doing something right. Or maybe just dumb luck. I’m sure group properties have nothing to do with their group’s longevity.

  102. McFly says:
    @syonredux

    Yes. I was also going to respond about how the vision problem that caused Wilson to focus on studying insects would have also precluded him from going into the service.

    There’s an ancient correlation between bad eyesight and being a scholar.

    I read a few of Wilson’s books as an undergrad. He was a terrific popular science writer and his stuff hit me really hard at the time; I grew up in a fundamentalist religious household. Sapolsky’s latest book also looks like an excellent read.

  103. @CPK

    I have no idea if Sapolsky has publicly expressed any political proclivities or HBD awareness at all. But he strikes me as someone who is relatively free of ideology in his work, and who just follows wherever the data may go.

    In A Primate’s Memoir, he recounts his experiences in the field with dysfunctional African cultures and individuals with zero poltical correctness that I could discern.

  104. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    Oh is that the rule? It isn’t a very strong one.

    So one finds 100 times the criticism? Really? Where? On CBS? ABC? CNN? NBC? MSNBC? In the pages of WaPo or the Times or the National Review or Atlantic Monthly?

    Most people have never heard of unz.com.

  105. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lawyer Guy

    Three years ago they demanded and got a special 600 million in taxpayer funding, which they then gave half of to the Ilitch family to build a new sports arena, and put in pay parking lots around the arena.

    Why did they give the money to a non black family? They have been on the NAACP fund board for years and provide money to a lot of the black pastors.

    Black pastors are the Big Men who tell ordinary blacks how to vote and they obey. Blacks have reduced moral agency in reality, which is a hard thing to communicate to conservatives, who believe moral agency is binary-you have it or you don’t. In reality most people have some but the level varies a lot. The average black has a little, but not as much as the average white. Ashkenazi Jews have moral agency but it is all about what is good for Jews. No one else counts very much. White conservatives have the opposite problem, they think in terms of what is good for every kind but their own.

  106. Mr. Anon says:
    @International Jew

    You wanna throw Karl Marx at me? I’ll throw you Milton Friedman back.

    Neither of whom offer prescriptions for what many people would consider a good society, including apparently the people of Israel.

  107. Mr. Anon says:
    @syonredux

    The Germans are more closely related to the French than they are to the English

    Nonsense. Which Germans? Lower Germany and England share a lot of ethnic commonality.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @syonredux
  108. @Bubba

    Bubba, my point was perhaps too casually worded (this thread is about intellectuals after all) …

    The Irish *worked* and contributed by their work in America. (My ancestors were out settling and farming the prairies, others were building railroads, working in factories, etc. etc. ) But the are not Big Swinging Dicks in terms of scientific discovery, invention or bending the culture to their will.

    That’s just the way it is. And that’s fine. Working is a good thing.

    And more on my point, people strive–however difficult–to be honest about what their group is contributing positively, negatively or not at all.

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @SimpleSong
    , @Bubba
  109. anon[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    thx, i thought i was the only one thinking that

  110. SFG says:
    @AnotherDad

    And more on my point, people strive–however difficult–to be honest about what their group is contributing positively, negatively or not at all.

    No they don’t. Almost every group in the world toots their own horn and plays up their strengths and plays down their weaknesses. Human nature and evolutionarily sound. It’s why Euro-American ethnomasochism is so bizarre.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @AnotherDad
  111. Ibound1 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Fritz Haber, a German Jew, invented the process for making synthetic nitrogen fertilizer. This is one of the world’s greatest inventions, if measured by the effect it had on humanity and it’s food supply. So Germans and Jews do not just combine for destruction. Synthetic nitrogen fertilizer is a very good thing.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @Anonymous
  112. Lot says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I don’t agree with the MSM’s defamation of Pepe as antisemitic, smug or sad.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  113. As a historian, I have come to admire many Jewish historians, but I am puzzled by some of them. Two examples: the late Eric Hobsbawm is generally acknowledged as a leading practitioner of the craft, but I refuse to read his books because he remained an unrepentant Stalinist almost to the end of his life, and I cannot understand how someone who knew so much about history could ignore the horrors perpetrated by the Bolsheviks. The other is the late Bernard Lewis, whom I admire for his work on Islam and Muslims, but surely if he had spent his life studying those subjects, he would have been aware of the dark side of Islam.

  114. SFG says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Indeed. One of the most depressing things personally is that there’s finally a clever, creative, funny right-wing counterculture, and I can’t join.

    It’s not too hard to figure out why–who’s disproportionately involved in pushing all the SJW crap down everyone’s throats? Right. Western Europe has few Jews and plenty of SJWs (and they’re more powerful), but that is who is running the left machine here in the USA.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  115. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    I was wondering along the same lines when I read the whole “Shakespeare was really a Jewish woman” thing.

  116. @Redneck farmer

    This one is begging to be one of those old Foster’s commercials.

    How to speak Australian: Shoe polish.

    Actually, I kind of feel bad making light of it. What that girl did was pretty effed up.

  117. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:

    Very much on-topic, Amy Harmon’s first tweet in a month:

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Reg Cæsar
  118. Sean says:

    Sapolksy is the one who thinks baboon studies show striving for dominance is a bad strategy because the stress wears you out. Macho former Black Panther Trivers, part Jewish and with a thing for black women, sits oddly with the whites (by which I suppose Sapolsky means Gentiles). Trivers said he realised he had to come up with something special after hearing Lewontin give a brilliant lecture . More and more the arguments are between Jews. In monkeys, the bigger the neocortex is, the more often they’re seen lying in nature.

  119. @Lot

    Whoa, a super-rare trippin’ balls sad-smirk cope Pepe! Disturbing, yet appropriate.

    I don’t agree with the MSM’s defamation of Pepe as antisemitic, smug or sad.

    None of those terms are defamation. Though perhaps “antisemitic” in this case is more honestly termed counter-Semitic. “Smug” and “sad” descriptors of Pepe came from the popularizers (4chan, etc.), not the MSM.

  120. @Lot

    Jews are criticized at what, 100 times the per capita rate of any other ethnicity.

    Where? Here? Surely you don’t mean in the public realm, where they are untouchable. You know full well that it’s white Christian males who bear the brunt of criticism there, 24/7/365.

    Criticizing Jews is a quick way to get silenced permanently in the public realm and most private ones too. It’s a quick way to lose your job and much else. There’s no way you’re unaware of these facts so one is at a loss to explain your behavior.

    • Agree: Moses
  121. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    The Germans are more closely related to the French than they are to the English

    Citation needed.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  122. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    The Jewish Question has been fully resolved in the Anglosphere for a long while now.

    What question exactly is posed by “The Jewish Question”?

  123. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG

    No they don’t. Almost every group in the world toots their own horn and plays up their strengths and plays down their weaknesses. Human nature and evolutionarily sound.

    What is evolutionarily sound about it?

  124. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG

    Indeed. One of the most depressing things personally is that there’s finally a clever, creative, funny right-wing counterculture, and I can’t join.

    You absolutely can join.

  125. @Anonymous

    pfft… you cannot be serious. The Jews have made very few contributions to science or technology. I mean they’ve probably done better as baseball players. Let’s just run this down by field of study. Here is a list of STEM topics with the handful of most important figures in each:

    Physics: Newton, Maxwell, Galileo, Einstein
    Chemistry: Mendeleev, Berzelius, Arrhenius, Pauling, Wohler
    Biology: Darwin, Mendeleev, Linnaeus, Watson & Crick
    Medicine: Jenner, Hippocrates
    Mechanical Engineering: Watt, Archimedes
    Computing science: Babbage, Shannon, Turing
    Electrical engineering: Tesla, Heaviside, Marconi, Shockley, Moore, Kilby
    Aerospace engineering: Wright bros., Korolev, von Braun
    Mathematics : Euler, Leibniz, Gauss, Laplace, Legendre, Fourier
    Geology: Hutton
    Economics: Adam Smith, Keynes

    Thats… one Jew in the whole list if I’m not mistaken (Einstein). They are tied with Serbia (Tesla). And I’m being generous here: general relativity was his greatest contribution, but that wasn’t even the most important advance in physics in the 20th century. Quantum mechanics and solid state physics were the things that actually mattered in the 20th century. The fact that Einstein is held up as some sort of paragon of intelligence is maybe due to something else, ya think?

    The only Jewish inventions I can think of are the atomic bomb and the polio vaccine. Note that with the atomic bomb the implosion type design was actually pioneered by Seth Neddermeyer (not Jewish) and most of the heavy lifting was done by Enrico Fermi (also not Jewish) but again I’m being generous here. We’ll pretend Leo Szilard dreaming in the bathtub was what made the difference.

    What the Jews do have is a lock on thinkers that were held in extremely high esteem and then shown to be frauds. Like Freud. And Gould.

  126. anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong

    i generally don’t like jews but you have to admit they punch well above their weight – only 2% of the population here, 1% there etc etc per capita their achievements must be impressive

    and there’s chess where the winner cant benefit from tribalism or media like the Nobel

    if you’re honest you have to give the devil his due

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  127. @AnotherDad

    Just want to comment one something regarding the Irish/Scots/English.

    The traditional teaching based on historical records was that the English are from the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes, making them a Germanic tribe, and distinct genetically from the Celtic Britons. More closely related to the continental Germans.

    My understanding (and I’m sure someone can chime in here to provide more info) is that based on genome studies this does not appear to be the case. The English are most closely related to the Scots and the Irish, and vice-versa. The Anglo-Celtic distinction is not based in genetic reality; the English are closer to the Irish and Scots than the Germans.

    I’ve always found the frothing at the mouth hatred/condescension between these groups strange and off-putting, more so now that it appears to not be based on any real physical distinction.

  128. @SimpleSong

    The only Jewish inventions I can think of are the atomic bomb and the polio vaccine.

    I wouldn’t brag about the bomb. They can have it.

  129. @Redneck farmer

    Do not piss off Australian women, obviously.

    Or excite them in other ways. The Somali cop screwed up terribly, but I can easily understand why he panicked.

    I don’t know who is more frightening, the PM of Australia or the PM of New Zealand. Or the UK, for that matter.

    Why can’t they embrace their femininity, like Barack Obama and Justin Trudeau?

    • LOL: Dtbb, Kyle
  130. @syonredux

    For the purposes of superteams I would propose:

    Britons: (English, Irish, Scots)
    Charlemagne’s peoples: (Northern French, Low Countries, Germany)
    Slavs (Russia, Ukraine, Serbia, etc.)
    Nordics (Sweeden, Denmark, Norway)
    Old Western Roman Empire (Italy, Spain, Southern France)
    Old Byzantine Empire (Greece, Balkans, Levant Christians)

    Pretty evenly balanced although Britons and Charlemagne’s peeps would be clearly out ahead.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  131. @SimpleSong

    Edit: should be Mendel, not Mendeleev twice..

  132. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    The Germans are more closely related to the French than they are to the English

    Citation needed.

    Go on 23andMe or Ancestry.com. French and Germans cannot be differentiated on the basis of genes.Indeed, their customers tend to be rather upset by that fact….

    • Replies: @Lot
  133. syonredux says:
    @SimpleSong

    Fritz Haber (German: [ˈhaːbɐ]; 9 December 1868 – 29 January 1934) was a German[4] chemist who received the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1918 for his invention of the Haber–Bosch process, a method used in industry to synthesize ammonia from nitrogen gas and hydrogen gas. This invention is of importance for the large-scale synthesis of fertilizers and explosives. The food production for half the world’s current population involves this method for producing nitrogen fertilizers.[

    Fritz Haber was born in Breslau (now Wrocław, Poland), Prussia, into a well-off Jewish family.[6]:38 The family name Haber was a common one in the area, but Fritz Haber’s family has been traced back to a great-grandfather, Pinkus Selig Haber, a wool dealer from Kempen (now Kępno, Poland). An important Prussian edict of 13 March 1812 determined that Jews and their families, including Pinkus Haber, were “to be treated as local citizens and citizens of Prussia”. Under such regulations, members of the Haber family were able to establish themselves in respected positions in business, politics, and law.[7]:3–5

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Haber

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  134. Valentino says:
    @syonredux

    The Germans are more closely related to the French than they are to the English ( cf how ancestry tests lump the Germans and the French into the same same category).

    I always had the impression that French people is the result of mixing between Southern Europeans and Northern Europeans. Their temperament is not as cold as Germans, but also not as warm as Italians. This can explain why people like Sailer, perceive France as the center of the European soul. Perhaps, if all Western Europeans mix, they will become like the French people.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  135. @Bostonvegas

    They took to the bottle after years of being cops and trying (and failing) to round up all us Italian-American gangsters!

  136. @Anonymous

    …a Shakespeare-was-the-man-from-Stratford troll population I didn’t know existed.

    Now we’re trolls.

    Be careful crossing that bridge, Amy!

  137. syonredux says:
    @Mr. Anon

    The Germans are more closely related to the French than they are to the English

    Nonsense. Which Germans? Lower Germany and England share a lot of ethnic commonality.

    French and Germans share even more.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  138. syonredux says:
    @Valentino

    There’s a Med signal in the south of France (Med coastline), but the bulk of France is generic Western European, just like most of Germany (barring extreme east, which has Slavic components).

    • Replies: @Valentino
  139. @guest

    As railroads linked the North and South together more easily, it became harder to have a Peculiar Institution in just one part of the country. For example, say you were a rich slaveowner in South Carolina and wanted to take your family to New York to visit your bankers and have your daughter appear in Society. Could your daughter take her personal slave with her to the North without fear of her refusing to come back? The Dred Scott decision said northern states had to enforce the property rights of southern slave owners who brought slaves into non-slave states. Similarly, the Fugitive Slave Act said that northerners had to help round up escaped slaves even if slavery was not legal in their states. So, a lot of Southerners felt strongly about expanding the range of slavery. Definitely westward, perhaps northward, perhaps southward to, say, Cuba and Hispaniola.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @guest
  140. syonredux says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Two separate analyses (ancestry profiles and GLOBETROTTER) show clear evidence in modern England of the Saxon migration, but each limits the proportion of Saxon ancestry, clearly excluding the possibility of long-term Saxon replacement. We estimate the proportion of Saxon ancestry in C./S England as very likely to be under 50%, and most likely in the range 10%-40%.

    The ancient DNA paper gives an estimate of ~38% Anglo-Saxon (German) for the “East English.” So the two seem roughly in line. The C./S. England cluster refers to the genealogical network of the lowlands of central and eastern England.

    There are several ways we can look at this. First, the majority of the ancestors of the modern English were British. That is, Brythonic people of various levels of Romanization. They became Anglo-Saxon. Even on the “Saxon Shore” in the far east of England it is likely that the majority of the ancestors of the natives derive from post-Roman Britons (if barely).

    https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2019/01/02/how-the-english-abolished-their-british-celtic-ancestors/

  141. @guest

    Darwin is despised by the Christian fundamentalists, so his prestige is immense in the rest of society and he’s close to untouchable.

    So, the Gould wing made Darwin’s cousin Galton into Darwin’s Evil Twin.

  142. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The Golden Circle (Spanish: Círculo Dorado) was an unrealized 1850s proposal by the Knights of the Golden Circle to expand the number of slave states. It envisioned the annexation of several areas — Mexico (which was to be divided into 25 new slave states), Central America, northern parts of South America, Cuba, and the rest of the Caribbean — into the United States in order to vastly increase the number of slave states and thus the power of the slave holding Southern upper classes. After the Dred Scott Decision (1857) increased anti-slavery agitation, it was advocated by the Knights of the Golden Circle that the Southern United States should secede in their own confederation and invade and annex the area of the golden circle to vastly expand the power of the South.[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Circle_(proposed_country)

  143. Valentino says:
    @syonredux

    Yes, but when we look at behavioral traits, French people are different from Germans.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  144. @Ringo S

    Some of it is simply ethnic specialization. Germans were huge in chemistry, including German Jews (e.g., Fritz Haber).

    The English had a social system where a lot of the educated elite lived in the countryside most of the year and agriculture was a fashionable topic for the rich to converse upon. The English were the reverse of most of the rest of Europe: in England, the great land owners came to the capital just for the summer, when Parliament met and The Season was in full swing. Even as far north as St. Petersburg, the Nabokovs lived in the country for the warmer 6 months of the year and the city in the winter.

  145. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    Most people, WASP or otherwise, have never heard of Galton or Fisher.

    And why is that?And Galton, as a Leftist bogeyman, has a somewhat higher profile than does Fisher.

    And Darwin doesn’t have the same status as Einstein.

    That’s extremely debatable…..

    There really was no rivalry. They were basically in different intellectual domains.

    And one domain, at least partially for ethnic cheerleading purposes, received a big mass media push…..

  146. syonredux says:
    @Valentino

    Yes, but when we look at behavioral traits, French people are different from Germans.

    On that point, I’ll have to invoke culture as the deciding factor.

  147. Lot says:
    @syonredux

    They recently upgraded the results to include smaller subregions. It isn’t a percentage, but it does tell you your German/French ancestry is the strongest match for, e.g., Bavaria.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  148. @Endgame Napoleon

    Bonington was born in England and lived there for 14 years, then in France for his last 12:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Parkes_Bonington

    There aren’t that many Anglo-French personalities after the Conquest, but he’d qualify.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  149. @Ibound1

    Say that on some of the other Unz.com posters’ sites, and see what kind of response you get!

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  150. NickG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Darwin’s house – Down house – is open to the public and worth a visit. It’s in the village of Down in the county of Kent, just inside the London M25 orbital motorway at its southern extent.

    Brexit party leader Nigel Farage lives in the same village.

  151. anon[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes

    That’s just insane bullshit from start to finish.
    Have a look at that victim of the stiletto:
    He’s no member of the underclass, and his mother is speaking from inside a nice house.
    The Fucking Mole attacker isn’t a member of the underclass either, or she wouldn’t be a Property Manager at Ray White.

  152. Ed says:
    @Lawyer Guy

    HBO Real Sports did a segment on the sweetheart deal for the Ilitch family.

    https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/nancy-kaffer/2019/04/24/district-detroit-little-caesars/3558044002/

    Because the reality is, Detroit taxpayers forked over $324 million in tax dollars meant in part to fund Detroit’s struggling schools to a family that routinely appears on the Forbes 400 in exchange for jobs for Detroiters that didn’t materialize, housing that doesn’t exist, and the remediation of blight caused by the billionaire family itself.

  153. iffen says:
    @Lot

    The Jewish Question has been fully resolved in the Anglosphere for a long while now.

    BS. Steaming pile.

  154. @Anonymous

    “Do the Germans deserve to be included here? (On the other hand, they and the Anglos are largely the same people.)”

    The Anglos have always been a more awkward, individualistic bunch than the Germans IMHO – although mass immigration is changing the character of England rapidly.

    Twice in the last hundred years the Germans have followed a leader who was at first successful then started taking increasingly irrational decisions, like invading Russia or opening the borders – yet they followed still.

    In WW2 the Brit military top brass spent quite a bit of time thinking about the differences – and from a military viewpoint they thought Germany had the edge. “The trouble with our British lads is that they are not natural killers” – lamented Monty as the Germans held him in Normandy. Monty was a Norman/Scots-Irish hybrid and enjoyed a scrap.

    • Replies: @Anon
  155. @bored identity

    “Jazzmin”

    No further questions, your honour.

  156. Neuday says:
    @Anon

    Have you seen their women?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  157. @Desiderius

    Your projection here is breathtaking. The dichotomy is between down t’ve o earth Jews (when overdone being cynical cum nihilist) vs lost in the clouds – initially via Plato – Protestants (overdone to levelers, gnostics, progtards, what have you).

    Sorry, you’re right Des.

    I forgot the mad rush of Unitarians into our academic, media, business and governmental institutions in the 60s and their dominance in them now.

    ~

    Seriously. Utopian Protestanism is defintely a thing–a problem. But Protestant utopians have been in America since Plymouth Rock. Protestant progressives have pushed all sorts twitchy stuff–e.g. abolition. They were in their heyday 100 years back, yet the somehow the descendants of these Plymouth Rock Puritans were on board with ratcheting down immigration to preserve this nation for … people like themselves.

    That Protestants suddenly “woke” up one morning and thought … “hmm, minorities are good! majoritiest are bad! nations are illegimate! white people suck! … and we need immigrants, immigrants, immigrants, immigrants till people just like us are drowned in a sea of brown” … seems unlikely.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  158. Mr. Anon says:
    @syonredux

    French and Germans share even more.

    Nonsense.

  159. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anony Trans

    after the unfair barriers were torn down in the 1950’s and 60’s.

    What was “unfair” about Christians establishing barriers to institutions created by and for Christians?

    Have Jews erected barriers around Club Jew?

  160. @SFG

    Correct. In either re-edit or haste–i make both mistakes often–i left out a “should”.

    Meaning specifically people attempting to find intellectual truth *should* be honest about what their group is contributing and “dis-contributing”, rather than puffing themselves up with fairy tales. Obviously they mostly do not do this. Most people seem to be flat out incapable of even seriously trying to do it.

    Note, intellectual honesty is different than having pride and group-cohesion. You can have pride in and cohesion with your people without pretending they are the wonder of universe.

  161. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bubba

    Hmm… you might want to travel one of these days and meander through the gravestones of say Gettysburg, Little Big Horn, Meuse-Argonne, Normandy, North Africa American Cemetery, Manila American Cemetery, etc… that’s some minimal contribution to the West by your fellow Irishmen.

    All were actions that have been incredibly, possibly fatally, destructive to the people of the United States and to the West. If I were you, I wouldn’t brag about having facilitated them.

    • Replies: @Bubba
  162. Mr. Anon says:
    @SimpleSong

    Thats… one Jew in the whole list if I’m not mistaken (Einstein).

    That’s because it was your list. Other people would have drawn up another. You left out a lot of people you might have put in. Your botched-up capsule history of the atomic bomb or of what constituted Einstein’s most significant accomplishment indicate that you don’t know much about the history of physics. Jews have been very significant contributors to science, medicine, and to a lesser degree (though still a significant degree) to engineering. It might make you feel better to pretend that it isn’t so, but it is.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  163. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    Would those accomplishments include jackbooting…

    Ahh, the good ‘ol days, when we knew enough to jack boot our lessers while we accomplished more than anyone else in history.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  164. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ringo S

    Jews had very little impact on aerospace (Wright Brothers, Langley, Curtis, Lindbergh, Goddard, von Braun, Ruskies, astronauts,…. ) and electronics (Edison, Tesla, de Forest, Shannon, Shockley, Bardeen, Brattain, Kilby, Noyce). The space program now is almost passe in the mind of the general public, and except for computer entrepreneurs (Gates and Jobs, which isn’t really electronics per se)

    Do Jews have as good visual-spatial ability as some of their other abilities?

  165. Mr. Anon says:
    @Neuday

    Have you seen their women?

    Have you?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  166. @iffen

    So where does someone like Pinker fit into your scheme?

    I’m not claiming some sort of fixed “scheme”. It’s a statistical observation about Jewish thought in the human sciences and politics.

    Re Pinker. I haven’t read any of Pinker’s books, just a couple of his articles. I gather from “The Blank Slate” that he’s a psychologists who is more sympathetic to the nature side of the argument than most of (at least secular) modern Jewish thought has been–and certainly not a Gouldian loon. Good for him.

    People vary. Everyone doesn’t buy exactly what’s typical for their race, religion, ethnicity or even family. Stephen Miller’s a Jewish guy who doesn’t buy the typical Jewish immigration-without-end ideology, in contrast to say his Uncle Glosser who is full on whitey-got-no-business-thinking-this-is-their-nation, tear-this-bitch-down enemy of Americans.

    But there are clear, observable ethnic trends. For example–blacks and higher crime. And an easily observable Jewish ideological trend is minoritarianism–minorities good, majorities bad–and the coupled anti-nationalism and mass-immigrationism that is destroying the West. Doesn’t take intellectual heavy lifting to root these ideologies in Jews being an outgroup (middle man minority) in white Christian nations and longstanding traditions of fear of and hostility toward their white gentile majority hosts and desire to break up–diversity–the coherent majority and create a more comfortable “multi-cultural” environment for themselves.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @Anon
  167. Ibound1 says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Yes. I should have noted Haber’s German collaborator Bosch. Our host thinks German + Jew = a ballistic missile with an atomic bomb on top. I prefer to think of Haber (Jew) +Bosch (German) = Synthetic nitrogen fertilizer. Maybe the whole Anglo-Jew rivalry is really an Anglo-German rivalry.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  168. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong

    Shouldn’t Newton be included in the Mathematics list?

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  169. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    They recently upgraded the results to include smaller subregions. It isn’t a percentage, but it does tell you your German/French ancestry is the strongest match for, e.g., Bavaria.

    That’s about what one would expect. German/French commonality would be greater in southern (upper) Germany where celtic and/or frankish ancestry predominate. In northern (lower) Germany, especially northwestern Germany, where the Angles and Saxons came from, the Germans would tend to have more in common with the English.

  170. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The Anglos have always been a more awkward, individualistic bunch than the Germans IMHO – although mass immigration is changing the character of England rapidly.

    What do you mean by “awkward”?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  171. Anon[815] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jason Liu

    The U.S. was founded by people who believed that there are few certainties in politics, and that the best way to determine policy is to allow all rival opinions to be aired and debated in a free and public manner. The country is now run by people who are certain about everything, and so have no qualms about shutting down entire topics of discussion.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  172. Ibound1 says:
    @Ibound1

    The Haber Bosch process or (as I will put it to annoy everyone) the Jew-German synthetic nitrogen process, is responsible for feeding 1/3 of humanity every single year. That is a lot nicer to think about than an atomic bomb on top of a rocket.

    • Replies: @res
  173. @syonredux

    Haber was a solid chemist, don’t get me wrong, and obviously there was enormous practical value to nitrogen fixation, but he’s not first tier.

    Like, if I said to you, let’s make some ammonia, and you said ‘how?’ and I said, we’re going to mix hydrogen and nitrogen, and turn up the pressure really high.

    Would you say, “mind blowing!” or “yeah sounds about right.”

    If I put Haber on the chemist list I’ve got to put Bosch on too since its the Haber-Bosch process, and I’ve also got to put on a ton of people nobody has ever heard of. A good guy, but second tier. This is my point about Jewish science dominance: the guys that came up with mind blowing theories turned out to be totally wrong (Freud), the rest of them were bright grinders like Haber and Salk. (With the exception of Einstein.)

  174. Kyle says:
    @Ringo S

    Don’t forget maxwell.

  175. @BigDickNick

    Can you imagine the media coverage if there was an english colony in syria called saxonland

    For one, the German public wouldn’t be amused, especially the people in the states of Saxony, Lower Saxony, and Saxony-Anhalt probably consider themselves to be the more legitimate name bearers.

  176. @Anonymous

    Ed Wilson is an entomologist and popularizer, not a serious theorist.

    He is indeed a serious theorist.

    • Replies: @gcochran
  177. @AnotherDad

    Re Pinker. I haven’t read any of Pinker’s books, just a couple of his articles. I gather from “The Blank Slate” that he’s a psychologists who is more sympathetic to the nature side of the argument than most of (at least secular) modern Jewish thought has been–and certainly not a Gouldian loon.

    Yes, but he also believes Judaism is off-limits to scientific inquiry. He dismissed MacDonald’s trilogy without reading any of it in a stupidly unscientific way.

  178. @Mr. Anon

    OK then make your list and let’s compare! Let’s see it!

    re: Einstein. Never said the guy wasn’t great. But…Brownian motion and special relativity were just the capstones on classical thermodynamics and classical EM, respectively. Lorentz had already figured out the relevant transformations . That’s why they’re called the Lorentz transformations. However he wasn’t articulate enough to state them as a natural consequence of constant c, so nobody has ever heard of him, and also he missed mass energy equivalence, IIRC. Photoelectric effect…well, instead of trying to shoehorn strange data into the old models Einstein just made a new model that turned out to be correct. But since he subsequently rejected quantum mechanics it’s hard to argue he really had a strong grasp of what he was doing.

    Anyway most people consider GR to be Einstein’s greatest work so I don’t think I’m out of the mainstream on that.

    Re: the atom bomb, please tell me who was more important than Enrico Fermi to the project. (From a scientific perspective–Oppenheimer was an administrator.) Please tell me who invented the implosion mechanism if it was not Seth Neddermeyer. Please tell me how many thermonuclear weapons use something other than the implosion mechanism for the initial trigger. BuBuButtt a Jewish guy wrote a letter! A letter! Anyway because of Szilard, Teller, Oppenheimer, von Neumann and others I count it as a Jewish invention so I don’t know why you’re so upset.

    You could almost put Von Neumann on the CS list b/c of the Princeton architecture but I don’t think he quite rises to first tier. But I’ll do that if you want and now we’ve got 2 Jews on the list. Take that Serbia! Now Jews are tied with Italy.

    Anyways, if you want to argue on the internet just state your case. No need for ad-hominems. Just show us the list.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  179. @Anonymous

    Yeah. I didn’t put him in though, because I had him on the physics list already, and thought I might be accused of ethnocentrism, and I would feel ashamed. 🙂

  180. @anon

    Ah, mostly I’m just trolling. But seriously though I think there’s a fairly consistent pattern:

    1.) A field gets founded and the basic ideas put in place by a non-Jew.
    2.) As the field grows and gains prestige, both Jews and gentiles are attracted to it, and do the workmanlike job of tying up some of the loose ends and pushing out the obvious applications
    3.) The Jews in (2) are held up as being the avatars of the field.

    An example: who invented the polio vaccine? Salk! Everybody knows that.
    Who invented vaccines, generally speaking? Some people know that (Jenner).
    Who invented the smallpox vaccine, smallpox being much deadlier than polio? Also Jenner.
    Who invented the vaccines for
    measles
    tetanus
    mumps
    rubella
    diptheria
    etc…

    I have no idea.

    See the pattern here?

    Ask a man on the street, who is the greatest physicist? Einstein!
    Ask a physicist, who is the greatest physicist? Newton.

    I own a couple chemistry textbooks that have subsections on the tragic life of Fritz Haber and the inspiring life of Roald Hoffman. But nobody else. To read this book, you wouldn’t even know that Gibbs or Arrhenius existed, unless you got curious about what the G stood for in delta G, or who came up with the Arrhenius equation. Or, for god’s sake, Dmitri Mendeleev. Why does Roald Hoffman get a two page mini-biography and Mendeleev get nothing?

    Ask a man on the street to name a famous psychiatrist. Freud!
    Ask a man on the street to name a famous economist. Marx!
    Even though their ideas were just bananas stupid and have been thoroughly discredited.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  181. guest says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The fear was not merely expanding slavery but that somehow slavery would come to dominate the entire country. Which is the basis for paranoid delusion in the House Divided speech and the Gettysburg Address.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @syonredux
  182. @Endgame Napoleon

    In all of the arts we are utterly supreme.

    What is more, nothing will every approach what we did. Our task now is to preserve what our betters produced.

    I used to think that we would manage it, but Notre Dame has given me pause.

  183. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    In all of the arts we are utterly supreme.

    What do you include in the category of “arts”?

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  184. Anon[815] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    It is interesting how ‘tolerance for minorities’ has replaced ‘freedom’ as the defining principle of U.S. society.

  185. Not Raul says:

    Someone should tell Sapolsky that “imagining living with silverback gorillas” is different from actually living with silverback gorillas.

  186. @Peter Johnson

    Yes indeed. It is they who will have to step to the plate. That geneticist from Harvard whose name escapes me for the moment may be taking mincing steps from the on-deck circle. We’ll see.

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
  187. @SimpleSong

    As to psychiatry/psychology the Swiss gentile, Jung, was probably every bit the equal of Freud.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  188. @Cagey Beast

    Heads lost in the clouds at least.

  189. @Old Palo Altan

    Mother Nature doesn’t have much patience with mere preservatives.

    You can get busy living or get busy dying. Living well requires remembering and honoring the past and all it has contributed to the present, but that includes being as committed to shaping the future as our forebears were.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  190. 3g4me says:
    @Lot

    @59 Lot: “Jew Critique, even when not malicious, nonetheless is usually similar in content, but not degree, to the genocidal stuff. And it takes some careful discernment to distinguish a genuinely mild Jew Critique from a genocider who is toning it down.”

    For a self-proclaimed Mischling you have got to be the Jewiest Jew out there. It obviously keeps you up at night, your lack of Jewish genetic purity.

    Poor Lot, so close to paranoia, so far from aspirational WASPdom.

  191. @Mr. Anon

    Someone linked to a website when this question came up before that featured thousands of famousish Jewish women with stunning racks and all the fixings.

    It was an eye-opener.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Lot
  192. @Desiderius

    For us, and for generations to come, “shaping the future” means holding up the ruins until a better age can take inspiration from them.

    It has happened before; we call it the Renaissance.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  193. Corvinus says:
    @bomag

    “Ahh, the good ‘ol days, when we knew enough to jack boot our lessers while we accomplished more than anyone else in history.”

    You mean people thought those groups were “lesser”. Furthermore, you didn’t build that. You, nor I, were around then. Why are you taking credit for something you didn’t accomplish?

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @bomag
  194. @Anon

    What do you mean by “awkward”?

    As in “the awkward squad” – cussed, contrary, eccentric, “ornery” – I don’t think the English are natural followers, certainly not compared with Germans.

    That might be changing, though – the young seem to be much more conformist than the old, but then they’ve been much more heavily indoctrinated by their schools and universities than my generation were.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  195. @AnotherDad

    In Christ there is no Jew or Greek. The Plymouth Rock Protestants have always been universalists, as befits their awesome, sovereign God, King of kings and Lord of lords. Mere nations are but child’s play.

    The immigration pauses we’ve enjoyed periodically throughout our history were due to the efforts of their southern and western cousins. Perhaps you’re familiar with the Klanbake that accompanied the last major dialing back? It wasn’t our WASP ruling class wearing those aprons and chefs hats.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  196. @Old Palo Altan

    That may indeed be our fate. Let it not be due to cowardice or indolence.

    “When I consider how my light is spent
    Ere half my days in this dark world and wide,
    And that one talent which is death to hide
    Lodg’d with me useless, though my soul more bent
    To serve therewith my Maker, and present
    My true account, lest he returning chide;
    “Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?”
    I fondly ask. But Patience to prevent
    That murmur, soon replies: “God doth not need
    Either man’s work or his own gifts; who best
    Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state
    Is kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed
    And post o’er land and ocean without rest:
    They also serve who only stand and wait.”

  197. for a long time i’ve maintained on here that probably none of the eminent thinkers have been twins, since twins are less intelligent and compete with each other in the womb, something which is not in any dispute among serious intelligence researchers. indeed, one way to immediately, slightly, raise intelligence, is to reduce twinning to zero. that before birth effect the early interventioners are always looking for.

    well. i’m sort of wrong. ronald fisher was a twin. his twin was born dead. but he was a twin nonetheless. exactly how important he was is a matter of debate, but that he was an important figure, is not up for debate.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  198. the main issue being that a lot of the jewish researchers were deliberately publishing and arguing in bad faith.

    something which continues to day. a leopard doesn’t change it’s spots.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  199. how sure are we that lot isn’t ben shapiro.

  200. @BenKenobi

    No, of course not. My point was that Friedman was a good guy! (Same as Pinker…)

  201. @Moses

    My response was that there’s nothing to explain, i.e. Steve’s “noticing” is a cognitive error.

  202. @prime noticer

    How about non-identical twins? It’s hard to notice them. Theo Epstein, the World Series winning General Manager, has a fraternal twin who is a high school guidance counselor.

  203. @Prester John

    Jung might have been the greater artist than Freud.

    Oh, they were both supposed to be scientists? Huh …

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Anonymous
    , @Yngvar
  204. @International Jew

    The Jews are sounding more like Big Tobacco every day.

  205. SFG says:
    @Peter Johnson

    It’s really dangerous. You have the same risks as any other dissident but don’t have an alt-right support network and face threats up to and including possible physical harm from Nazis thinking you are trying to hijack their movement.

    What you do see is guys like Frum arguing for decreased immigration.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  206. Bubba says:
    @AnotherDad

    True and I agree – especially and most definitely about “bending culture to their will.”

    Sorry if I misinterpreted what you were saying. I always enjoy reading your posts. Thanks for the well-written (as always) response.

  207. Bubba says:
    @Anonymous

    And if I were you, I wouldn’t put words in other people’s mouths. I certainly wasn’t bragging, just stating facts.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  208. syonredux says:
    @guest

    The fear was not merely expanding slavery but that somehow slavery would come to dominate the entire country.

    More slave states=more power for the slavocracy=slavocracy dominating country. Remember, thanks to the three-fifths clause, 12 out of the first 16 presidents owned slaves….

    Which is the basis for paranoid delusion in the House Divided speech and the Gettysburg Address.

    Not so paranoid. See above.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  209. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Myself, I’m a William James fan.

    • Replies: @anon
  210. syonredux says:
    @Desiderius

    In Christ there is no Jew or Greek. The Plymouth Rock Protestants have always been universalists, as befits their awesome, sovereign God, King of kings and Lord of lords. Mere nations are but child’s play.

    Dunno. The puritans in New England were not fond of people who were not English….

    The immigration pauses we’ve enjoyed periodically throughout our history were due to the efforts of their southern and western cousins. Perhaps you’re familiar with the Klanbake that accompanied the last major dialing back? It wasn’t our WASP ruling class wearing those aprons and chefs hats.

    The Federalists in New England were anti-mass immigration…..And the leading intellectuals on the restrictionist side counted a lot of descendents of Puritans in their ranks…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothrop_Stoddard

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Cabot_Lodge#Immigration

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Davenport

    The Klan was just a pyramid scheme:

    “Rather than a terrorist organization,” they wrote, “the 1920s Klan is best described as a social organization with a wildly successful multi-level marketing structure.” According to Fryer and Levitt, in its heyday, the KKK was a giant, perverse pyramid scheme. Instead of perpetrating a racist agenda, the KKK’s leaders exploited pre-existing, popular racism to make money.

    They were very, very, very successful. At a time when per capita income in the US was under $700, the Indiana Klan leader pulled in about $200,000 annually. In 2015, that’s the equivalent of more than $2.8 million.

    https://qz.com/806978/the-kkk-was-once-a-giant-pyramid-scheme-exploiting-racism-for-tons-of-money/

  211. syonredux says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    In all of the arts we are utterly supreme.

    So far as symphonic music goes, the Germans have the crown.

  212. syonredux says:
    @guest

    The fear was not merely expanding slavery but that somehow slavery would come to dominate the entire country.

    More slave states=more power for the slavocracy=slavocracy dominating country. Remember, thanks to the three-fifths clause, a majority of the first 16 presidents owned slaves….

    Which is the basis for paranoid delusion in the House Divided speech and the Gettysburg Address.

    Not so paranoid. See above.

    Corrected a typo

  213. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    As in “the awkward squad” – cussed, contrary, eccentric, “ornery” – I don’t think the English are natural followers, certainly not compared with Germans.

    No? They are nonpareil in forming queues and in establishing rule of law.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  214. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @prime noticer

    the main issue being that a lot of the jewish researchers were deliberately publishing and arguing in bad faith.

    They believe their own BS.

  215. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bubba

    And if I were you, I wouldn’t put words in other people’s mouths. I certainly wasn’t bragging, just stating facts.

    You described the actions as “contributions to the West,” which seems to put a positive spin on it.

  216. @Prester John

    David Reich has been courageous in some of his statements (particularly the one-off New York Times column he wrote on the reality of race). Reich has not swallowed the red pill whole, but at least he licked it and got a taste. Society desperately needs more high-profile Jewish scientists and Jewish public intellectuals to speak honestly about HBD, in order to break the code of silence blocking society’s understanding of HBD’s importance. HBD advocates need more of them on our side.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  217. @Peter Johnson

    David Reich also has a complicated family situation involving his father the former National Holocaust Memorial boss, his mother who wrote a satirical novel about how her husband got squeezed out of the Holocaust industry by crazy rich Jews, and an uncle who is some kind of hardline rabbi or something. My impression is that Reich would like to go about his business without getting dragged into a lot more Jewish stuff. You can’t really blame him.

    The problem of course is his business is on a collision course with the fraught question of the DNA in ancient skeletons in the Holy Land. I wish him good luck in navigating all this.

  218. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG

    Ugh. You are literally posting on the blog of somone who invented the term. Hbd predates the alt-right. By the way there is a very real risk of Jewish entryism and subversion of all gentile movements/institutions.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
  219. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    ‘Why are you taking credit for something you didn’t accomplish?’

    Maybebfor the same reason you feel free to slander his ancestors.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  220. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    Your reply is a joke right?

  221. Mr. Anon says:
    @SimpleSong

    re: Einstein. Never said the guy wasn’t great. But…Brownian motion and special relativity were just the capstones on classical thermodynamics and classical EM, respectively. Lorentz had already figured out the relevant transformations . That’s why they’re called the Lorentz transformations. However he wasn’t articulate enough to state them as a natural consequence of constant c, so nobody has ever heard of him, and also he missed mass energy equivalence, IIRC. Photoelectric effect…well, instead of trying to shoehorn strange data into the old models Einstein just made a new model that turned out to be correct. But since he subsequently rejected quantum mechanics it’s hard to argue he really had a strong grasp of what he was doing.

    Yeah, other than 1.) explaining Brownian motion, 2.) giving an elegant interperetation to the photoelectric effect (one that helped Planck explain Blackbody radiation, and pointed the way to Quantum Mechanics), 3.) making the break with Gallileian Relativity and creating the theory of Special Relativity (not all the parts, but the theory as a whole), 4.) extending that to General Relativity, and 5.) authoring the concept of stimulated emission which is the basis of the Maser and Laser………………yeah, what did that Einstein guy ever do?

    Re: the atom bomb, please tell me who was more important than Enrico Fermi to the project. (From a scientific perspective–Oppenheimer was an administrator.)

    What did he do? I know what he did. I’m curious to know what you think it was.

    Please tell me who invented the implosion mechanism if it was not Seth Neddermeyer.

    Sure, he came up with the basic idea. Then he f**ked around with half-assed attempts at crushing cylinders for a while. But it was James Tuck and George Kistiakowski who made it work – who figured out how to implode a spherical plutonium pit. I’m not criticizing Nedermeyer, mind you. He did a lot of good work over the course of his life. But some people get too fixated on their own ideas and lose perspective on them.

    Please tell me how many thermonuclear weapons use something other than the implosion mechanism for the initial trigger.

    The Uranium bomb didn’t use implosion, and it probably could have served as a trigger for the H-bomb too.

    You neglected to mention Hans Bethe (half jewish, I think) who led the theoretical group at Los Alamos, and was instrumental in solving most of the difficult problems (including implosion) that needed to be solved to build the bomb. You also neglected to mention Richard Feynman, who organized those calculations, turning women and Marchand calculators into a kind of CPU.

    Anyways, if you want to argue on the internet just state your case. No need for ad-hominems. Just show us the list.

    Heinrich Hertz, Albert Einstein, Walter Rogowski, Paul Ehrenfest, Otto Stern, Wolfgang Pauli, Max Born, Hans Bethe, J. Robert Oppenheimer, I.I. Rabi, Richard Feynman, Leon Lederman, Steven Weinberg,……………………..

    ah, Hell, just look here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_physicists

    You’ll find a few rather important people in the history of physics.

    A similar list for chemistry, electrical engineering, and computer science would also be quite long.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  222. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    ‘But people–even smart people–will spout absolute b.s. if it serves their interests and emotional needs.’

    Or especially if it disarms thier enemies in a zero-sum competition.

  223. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    ‘The Jewish Question has been fully resolved in the Anglosphere for a long while now. People who can’t get over it are reviled by popular consensus, not because Jews are especially touchy.’

    Wow I never realised until just now but you are insane.

  224. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ibound1

    ‘So Germans and Jews do not just combine for destruction’

    Er you realise that the faber process was the means by which enough gunpowder was produced so that world war one could be possible right? (Previously they used bat guano etc).

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Ibound1
  225. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    At least Jung was directly responsible for inspiring alcoholics anonymous.

  226. @Anonymous

    Forming queues is about fairness and first-come-first-served. English are very big on that.

    I have seen the odd incident in French ski-lift queues where an Englishman has forcefully objected to an interloper (usually a French teenager). The exception is Italy, where no one seems to queue, they just form a mob round the lift entrance, and Brits do likewise.

    The Saxon is not like us Normans. His manners are not so polite.
    But he never means anything serious till he talks about justice and right.
    When he stands like an ox in the furrow – with his sullen set eyes on your own,
    And grumbles, ‘This isn’t fair dealing,’ my son, leave the Saxon alone.

  227. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Maybebfor the same reason you feel free to slander his ancestors.”

    Considering she never stated who are her ancestors, there was no slander here. Had she stated directly that her family were of Anglo-Saxon stock who arrived as settlers in the Thirteen Colonies, perhaps your claim would have legitimacy.

    • Replies: @bomag
  228. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    You mean people thought those groups were “lesser”

    There’s a difference between dingoes and babies, but you haven’t figured that out yet.

    Why are you taking credit for something you didn’t accomplish?

    That’s how ancestry works, but you haven’t figured that out yet.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  229. Ibound1 says:
    @Anonymous

    I prefer to think about the nicer things Haber and Bosch accomplished. It’s not only about destruction. Yes I know today Haber and Bosch would be unpersoned as White makes who invented chemical weapons but their invention is responsible for feeding the world.

  230. @Ibound1

    It’s almost as if at the highest levels of accomplishment, such as Haber and Bosch, the good and the bad is intertwined yin-yang style.

    • Agree: syonredux
  231. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    You explicitly criticized white people for jack booting others for god, glory, and gold.

    Now you admit there is a case to be made that you slandered them.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  232. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    But do they look Jewish or do they look highly atypical for their ethnicity? What is their actual ethnic makeup? Do they look more like Amy Fowler or Bernadette Rostenkowski on The Big Bang Theory? (Both actresses are Jewish).
    That said, in any nation the extreme right-hand tail will have plenty of highly attractive females. Just look at the IDF babes website. I personally know several good-looking Jewish women, and I am not even Jewish.
    Also, I suspect the original comment wasn’t just about the looks, but personality, perhaps mostly personality.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  233. anon[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Most of the actual science of psychology (not Freudian/Jungian nonsense), such as studying the senses, motor responses, the anatomy and physiology of the brain, was mostly a German affair (Weber, Fechner, Wundt et al.), with some other Europeans (Donders, Pavlov, Ramon y Cajal, Broca), Americans like William James, Thorndike, Lashley, John Watson, Skinner, Canadian Hebb and others.
    Their discoveries still stand today, unlike those of the newer subfield of social psychology. Social psychology was spurred mostly by Jewish psychologists trying to show that all gentiles were Nazis or Nazi puppets deep down and has evolved into a cargo-cult science of grievance studies. Most, but not all, of the famous findings in social psychology either don’t replicate or have tiny effects.
    The field of social psych is part of the “scientific” arm of the Democratic Party in the U.S., with the findings used to support Democratic policies and upwards of 90% of social psychologists being heavily left wing. Unsurprisingly, the leading figures in it have been and remain Jews, with some Subcontinentals and Blacks.

  234. @Anonymous

    Entry into what? All this time, you’ve assumed that Ron Unz was a Seventh Day Adventist, right?

  235. @Ibound1

    Vaclav Smil estimates that 40% of the world’s population owes its existence to chemical fertilizers made possible by the Haber-Bosch process:
    https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/enriching-earth

  236. @Mr. Anon

    Heinrich Hertz, Albert Einstein, Walter Rogowski, Paul Ehrenfest, Otto Stern, Wolfgang Pauli, Max Born, Hans Bethe, J. Robert Oppenheimer, I.I. Rabi, Richard Feynman, Leon Lederman, Steven Weinberg

    Great thanks! Now we’ve gotten you to take an actual position. So, which one of those guys bumps Newton and Maxwell and Galileo? (I already had Einstein on the list.)

    ……………yeah, what did that Einstein guy ever do?

    Again not saying Einstein wasn’t in the top tier (top three, by my estimation.) I had him on my list! Why are you arguing against an argument I didn’t make? I’m saying he wasn’t #1 because he wasn’t. Do you want to argue that he was #1 all time physicist? Then please state your case for him over Newton.

    A similar list for chemistry, electrical engineering, and computer science would also be quite long.

    Yes it would! When you start to dig into the B team there are a lot of notable people of all ethnicities. We’re talking about he A team here, in which Jews are rather thin on the ground. Tell me, in CS, who beats Babbage, Shannon, Turing? For electrical engineering who beats Tesla? For math who beats Euler, etc.

    Anyway, your post consists of :

    1.) Listing B team Jews and saying that that proves Jewish science dominance.
    2.) Talking about Manhattan project Jews, when I already said the bomb was basically a Jewish invention. Mentioning some Jews that I didn’t mention and saying that makes my post invalid.
    3.) Talking about how Einstein was awesome when I already said he was, and saying that makes my post invalid.
    4.) Proposing a hypothetical design for a U235 based H bomb.

    You’ve got to try harder.

  237. ATBOTL says:
    @Anonymouse

    If he had any sense of being the victim of a goyishe conspiracy early on before he became a great success, they would have long since vanished assuming he had them in the first place.

    A laughable claim. Obviously, many very successful people with powerful positions in society continue to be driven by lifelong resentments.

  238. Corvinus says:
    @bomag

    “You explicitly criticized white people for jack booting others for god, glory, and gold.”

    Here is the exact quote. Try to follow along.

    Would those accomplishments include jackbooting other groups of people for God, glory, and gold, like similar groups before the English? Would he acknowledge that his brethren should have picked their own damn cotton? Would he realize that his (white) ancestors actions led to the “invade the world, invite the world” mentality seemingly embraced by our elites today?”

    Note that I stated how the English, like past groups, have participated in similar actions so as to recognize that humanity is cruel in that regard. Jackbooting is in our DNA. Note that I said his ancestors–I am assuming–were European. Obviously, they would be white. So I am actually criticizing his “peeps”, not white people overall. You do realize that several European nations did not partake in global colonialism and/or imperialism, right?

    “Now you admit there is a case to be made that you slandered them.”

    Selective outrage much?

    • Replies: @bomag
  239. Corvinus says:
    @bomag

    “There’s a difference between dingoes and babies, but you haven’t figured that out yet.”

    Actually, European infants and Native American infants are babies. Did you learn about the birds and the bees from a Cracker Jack box?

    “That’s how ancestry works, but you haven’t figured that out yet.”

    Except has Nicholas Wade made the effort to showcase how his ancestors were part of American nation building since the Mayflower Compact?

    How about yourself? Are you able to directly trace at least one ancestor from the United Kingdom to the Thirteen Colonies prior to, and I will be generous here, 1750? Are you from hardy English, Welsh, Cornish, or Scottish bloodlines? Or are your forefathers from those dirty, filthy louts from Southern or Eastern Europe that American nativists bitterly complained about ruining the nation they built?

    • Replies: @bomag
  240. @anon

    No, it was a JQ enthusiast trying to argue that the Jews have seduced us with the allure of their womenfolk. There were an astonishing number of examples at that site.

  241. Lot says:
    @Desiderius

    Possibly me? This NSFW site by a guy who hates jews but obsessively catalogs naked jewish women is a hoot.

    http://www.seductivejewess4.net/

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Anon
  242. @syonredux

    I enthusiastically agree. By “we” I meant Europeans and their colonial cousins. I meant the West.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  243. @Anonymous

    Succinctly: music, literature, and the plastic arts broadly conceived.

    I don’t mean to exclude philosophy and theology, or science and mathematics, but merely to point to a large part of the human creative spirit’s accomplishment which seems often forgotten here.

    In other words, we are best at everything.

    Except, it seems, self preservation.

  244. Yngvar says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Freud and Jung understood that we can’t understand the human psyche by looking at brain scans. How does the conscious and unconscious of our minds cooperate? They tried to give an answer, but I suspect this is something that does not lend itself to be open for a scientific exploration, in the strict sense.

  245. @Lot

    That’s the one.

    If that had been around when I was sixteen I might have converted on the spot.

  246. @syonredux

    Now illegal aliens count for 3/5 or thereabouts on the census, undercut wages, etc. and the same dickheads are fighting against returning them home and instead fight to bring in as many as they can.

    The more things change…

    • Replies: @syonredux
  247. gcochran says:
    @ben tillman

    No, he’s not. Can’t do math.

  248. Anon[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    A man should have a hobby

  249. syonredux says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    I enthusiastically agree. By “we” I meant Europeans and their colonial cousins. I meant the West.

    Gotcha.

  250. syonredux says:
    @Desiderius

    Now illegal aliens count for 3/5 or thereabouts on the census, undercut wages, etc. and the same dickheads are fighting against returning them home and instead fight to bring in as many as they can.

    The more things change…

    Indeed. Black slaves, Latinx Mestizos and Amerinds…..Our elites are hell-bent on importing a non-European servant class…..

  251. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    Yes, you were doing a blanket criticism in your moral equivalency fashion.

    But saying that we are all bad, thus all equal; doesn’t cover it. The relative levels of accomplishment come into it.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  252. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    Not all babies are equal.

    I’m “pure” ancestry-wise, so I guess you will now help me get these people off my lawn.

    We can have immigrants; it’s the relative number and their inherent capabilities that matter.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  253. @Hoyt Thorpe

    I feel like the paranoid conspiracy theories about non-Jewish white supremacy undergirding every discipline probably originated in this parochial ethnic conflict.

    I am not aware of any cases in the hard sciences of controversy between camps of Jewish and WASP scientists. If there is a scientific dispute, it will be resolved by experiments or mathematical theory, and a person’s support for one side or the other will not correlate with his ethnicity.

    Ethnocentric Jewish writers who are looking for a story are reduced to claiming that the Gentiles who practised these sciences before Jewish participation were racist:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/levine-the-racist-origins-of-computer-technology/

    The human sciences give more room for manoeuvre, and the Gould/Lewontin viewpoint – trying to retcon equalism into evolutionary biology – is strange.

    It’s as if they don’t want us to know that Jewish success arises simply from an advantage in IQ. On the other hand, they don’t mind if people attribute that success to some kind of conspiracy – because this idea can easily be dismissed as anti-semitism. The message is “there’s nothing to see here folks … move along now.”

    They dismiss the 19th-Century idea that white people are the most intelligent people in the world, and offer us equalism instead; it is a taboo to point out that actually it is the Ashkenazim who are the smartest products of evolution.

  254. Corvinus says:
    @bomag

    “Not all babies are equal.”

    Depends upon what is the context here. They are equal in the expectation of being properly treated and loved. And, of course, they are God’s children.

    “I’m “pure” ancestry-wise, so I guess you will now help me get these people off my lawn.”

    And what is that ancestry?

    “We can have immigrants; it’s the relative number and their inherent capabilities that matter.”

    I concur.

  255. Corvinus says:
    @bomag

    “Yes, you were doing a blanket criticism in your moral equivalency fashion.”

    You’re going to have to actually provide an explanation here; otherwise, it’s just noise on your part.

    “But saying that we are all bad, thus all equal; doesn’t cover it.”

    What are you even babbling about?

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