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From the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle:
Police: Undocumented Rochester student threatens East High on Facebook
Will Cleveland, @WillCleveland13 Published 4:57 p.m. ET Feb. 23, 2018 |
A student with a shotgun made a terrorist threat against East High School on social media, according to Rochester police.
Abigail Hernandez, 21, is charged with making a terroristic threat, a felony. She is currently in the Buffalo Federal Detention Center in Batavia because she is an undocumented immigrant, Rochester Deputy Mayor Cedric Alexander said.
… Hernandez allegedly made the threat at 5:08 p.m. Feb. 15, stating, “I’m coming tomorrow morning and I’m going to shoot all of ya bitches.” …
Hernandez was arrested at home at 8:15 p.m. Feb. 20 after she made a “credible threat” against the school, Alexander said. Police recovered a shotgun in her home. “The threat referenced a shooting and sympathy with the school shooting in Parkland, Florida,” Alexander said.
Hernandez is a student in the Rochester City School District, but she is not a student at East. …
Through an automated system called eJusticeNY, ICE determined Hernandez was an undocumented immigrant, Alexander said. Hernandez had “status under the DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) program,” he added.
She is quite the looker; and one powerful argument for open borders… the book store that is.
These Aztec & Central Amer-Indian folks belong in their own country, amongst their coethnics.
Why allow them to come here only to resent us. Total fcn madness
This 21-year-old is DREAMing she’ll graduate high school someday, perhaps as one of those illegal valedictorians we hear so much about! Did Nancy Pelosi include her inspiring story in her eight-hour filibuster?
Trump’s luck?
The Democrats have filled--or tried to fill--normies heads with pious cant about "Dreamers". She's actually as representative as any grad student that they can dig up studying physics. The median "dreamer" is a HS dropout, perhaps with a GED.
If I looked like that, I’d want to kill everyone too
For some reason, in all their hysteria to cover school gun violence stories, the prestige media forgot to cover this one. I wonder why…
Perhaps there should be a separate federal prison system for illegal immigrants convicted of crimes. Simply deporting them without forcing them to serve time seems unwise, but throwing them in with the general population tends to de-Americanize the prison population. Maybe all non-citizen prisoners facing deportation should go together, whether they were here legally or not.
This could be done humanely. Make it clear that these people will never be allowed to reenter the US, but give them some assistance in prison to help them get acquainted with their country of origin. This could be framed, justifiably, as a way to enable them to get a new start on life. Make it clear to them that the educational opportunities available in the prison system will in many cases not be available to them when they return “home”, and punish malefactors harshly, while genuinely aiming to help those who are trying to give it a go.
Click on her photo to get a higher-resolution view of her visage. The flu-caused dribble on her philtrum must be causing the discomfort that led to her crime. (And the police won’t let her wipe her nose!)
Down syndrome?
I have a relative with this condition. His classmate with Down was the daughter of a major college football coach.
Student?! She looks older than I do. I’m 38.
How is it possible for an adult to be in high school? I thought there were age limits.
In junior high I don't remember any student over 15 and even in senior high we had no one over 18. I don't know if it was policy, I think anyone over the traditional age was just sent to a GED prep instead if they had a significant break in education.
I'm sure different districts have different policies, but since high school is only good for getting you into college or enlisting anymore I think it's been sort of mooted.
Catch a spark!
Hopefully she will be adjusting to her new life in Mexico shortly.
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2018/02/25/abigail-hernandez-rocheöster-terrorism-east-high/371240002/
More details. So much more to pick apart. It’s a cluster.
Dad (allegedly) works 80 hours a week for two bus companies (against regs to drive that long; maybe he was pushing a broom part of the time; following the rules doesn't seem to be a strong point here), owns seven houses.
The family didn't evince much sophistication in the interviews, but they worked the system (no doubt with help from the usuals) to acquire property and get their kid, at age eighteen, into a special HS program for the next three years.
See the wheels turn: "special needs" programs are getting to be a large chunk of spending in schools; they were probably happy to have her and nurse things along into adulthood; some realtor made seven sales, "growing" the GDP in the process. WHEEE!
Anyone without basic conversational abilities in English after four years' effort either is making no effort or is herself mentally deficient.
She should be held indefinitely at Pelosi’s grandson’s neighborhood.
Not to be snarky here, but she looks like she might be what we used to call retarded. Dunno about NY but here in MA we keep some kids ( Down Syndrome) in school until they are 22 1/2. I’m way more hard hearted about special ed than most public school teachers, but those programs that get the truly special to mingle a bit with their fellows tend to pretty worthwhile . Of course if this young lady’s illegal then in my view she has no right to school at all. I suppose, though, that if she were special she wouldn’t be in lockup.
RE Downies specifically, I have one in my in-law’s family and he is legally entitled to vote. They never registered him (to my knowledge) despite being socialist democrats, but the point is that somebody who functions as a 3 year old mentally has the same voting right that his university mathematics professor father has. If he did vote, I can state authoritatively that he would always vote “Ice Cream.”
Laughed my ass off. Thanks for this
She does look like she has a chromosonal disorder, and there are several of them. She has probably been bullied, and these syndromes are associated with psychological problems. You don’t want these people to have guns.
She has a certain Pit of Despair look about her.
Hopefully she will be deported because someone that ugly should be deported if they are not a citizen!
When I attended elementary school we had a Special School District class colocated in the school, the proverbial short bus crew. There were students in sixth grade in that program who had drivers’ licenses and drove to school in jacked up muscle cars. At sixteen they could quit and most did, but Missouri (this was the STL area) was liberal about licensing 14 and 15 year olds if they had an excuse, they were rural, whatever. I think these kids lived out near the Six Flags theme park.
In junior high I don’t remember any student over 15 and even in senior high we had no one over 18. I don’t know if it was policy, I think anyone over the traditional age was just sent to a GED prep instead if they had a significant break in education.
I’m sure different districts have different policies, but since high school is only good for getting you into college or enlisting anymore I think it’s been sort of mooted.
In junior high I don't remember any student over 15 and even in senior high we had no one over 18. I don't know if it was policy, I think anyone over the traditional age was just sent to a GED prep instead if they had a significant break in education.
I'm sure different districts have different policies, but since high school is only good for getting you into college or enlisting anymore I think it's been sort of mooted.
One of Bertie Wooster’s friends’ education came to an end when he was superannuated out of Eton.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/man-32-posed-as-fifth-former-for-year-1601748.html
She is typical, in looks, of the immigrants, to the San Francisco Bay Area, whom I ride the bus with daily, despite what Fred, from Fred On Everything, would have you believe.
That’s what I thought after I took a second look at her.
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2018/02/25/abigail-hernandez-rochester-terrorism-east-high/371240002/
Add to that he owns seven houses, so he is probably a landlord and works to maintain those units.
I see a safety hazard here.
After reading anon87′s link, posted at 1:44 AM GMT, I have a totally different take on this story. The rest of the family are all legal and doing quite well, e.g., the father has done well enough to purchase seven homes. The woman is so retarded that she has to have a parent walk her to school or she will get lost. She is so retarded that she can’t form the intent to do harm. Imprisoning her with no access to anyone she knows amounts to cruel ad unusual punishment. Sending her back to Mexico without her parents amounts to the same thing. OTOH, I don’t see why my fellow citizens and I shgould get stuick with the tab for the lifelong care she is going to require when she is a Mexican citizen.
Yeah, there’s a lot of details in that. Father works as a bus driver, owns rental properties, has other kids who are citizens. The girl certainly does look retarded and if she’s still in high school at 21 that’s a sure sign something’s wrong. If she has “no cognitive ability” to request visitors in writing, she’s got real issues. On the other hand, she sure had the cognitive ability to make a written death threat on Facebook a week after a mass homicide, didn’t she?
There’s no good option for the U.S. taxpayer or the native-born American citizen here. She’s going to cost hundreds of thousands in legal fees between the prosecution and the taxpayer-funded defense. If she’s convicted, she could spend years in the joint for making “terroristic threats.” That’ll cost the taxpayer a pretty penny. If the court ACDs it and lets her off (unlikely) then the welfare-paying taxpayer will be saddled with her for the rest of her life… ya think she’ll ever be a productive member of society?
I almost feel sorry for her. She doesn’t belong her in the first place. If she gets deported she’s obviously unable to function as an independent adult in Mexico and her family will have to split to take care of her.
This is why we need tight borders and stringent immigration restrictions. There’s no good options here for anybody. None. Once you’ve mixed a quart of ice cream with a pint of dogshit, you’ll never get it to taste like ice cream ever again. The whole thing is completely tainted.
Yes, I know, we find it hard to believe anyone would have relations with her, but sadly, somebody out there would.
How would you like to be a passenger on one of the dad’s bus rides during his 79th work hour of the week in icy upstate NY?
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I think she is just ugly.
For her own good and that of any potential offspring she might have, she really needs to have a tubal ligation or Essure procedure.
Yes, I know, we find it hard to believe anyone would have relations with her, but sadly, somebody out there would.
I don’t know the rules and am too tired to google them. But I thought truckers, pilots and the like had some restrictions on the number of hours they could drive in a week. Somehow I don’t think they are allowed to drive 80 hours per week, but I could be wrong.
Add to that he owns seven houses, so he is probably a landlord and works to maintain those units.
I see a safety hazard here.
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/summary-hours-service-regulations
will give you the current regs in summary.
To wit:
60/70-Hour Limit
May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days. A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.
In other words you can be on a 7 or an 8 day cycle, you can drive 60 hours in 7 days, or 70 hours in 8 days.
Steve, let’s not ridicule mentally ill
I want mandatory amniocentesis and pre-natal DNA testing with mandatory abortion of all known major defects like Down unless parents post a private bond covering all lifetime costs of care - for American citizens. Foisting such damaged creatures off on the taxpayer when they’re illegal aliens is beyond outrage. We have the ability to avoid this (citizen and illegal), we have no excuse.
Interesting. She really does not look like those mujeres that Fred Reed always plasters on his pro-Mexico columns.
It’s Lent and to me it’s a time of reflection. I am blessed with five beautiful , successful children and five beautiful grand children.I thank God every day for that. This girl has issues, and that is obvious. Some mean comments here.
Just the other day I nearly blew my stack fending off four Romani minors I caught trying to rob a lonely quinquagenarian woman at an ATM in a posh district in whatever limited legal way I could. I’m still mad. Obviously the first people who deserve my fury are the idiots in the government and the judicial branch in particular who have created this perpetual Lent through stupid immigration law and pro-criminal attitudes toward self-defense. Still, they are not the ones who accosted that poor lady and wrecked my day, and I can tell you those who did are certainly not close to my heart.
Add to that he owns seven houses, so he is probably a landlord and works to maintain those units.
I see a safety hazard here.
Well if he is here illegally in the first place, do you think a federal limit on driving hours is going to deter him? Also, if one company doesn’t know he is working for the other, neither of them could enforce it.
This could be done humanely. Make it clear that these people will never be allowed to reenter the US, but give them some assistance in prison to help them get acquainted with their country of origin. This could be framed, justifiably, as a way to enable them to get a new start on life. Make it clear to them that the educational opportunities available in the prison system will in many cases not be available to them when they return "home", and punish malefactors harshly, while genuinely aiming to help those who are trying to give it a go.
Think more bigly, friend-o. We could sell soylent illegal to the Chinese, who would use it to solve hunger in Africa. That way we get two birds stoned at once.
Kick out the whole damned family. That way the girl will have her parents to care for her in her native country.
Trump seems to have been pretty consistent on immigration for a long while:
Are you not aware that low IQ morons from Mogadishu and other places in Africa are quite capable of carrying out their threats?
If you go back and look at the initial comments in this thread, people were asking why was she 21 and still in high school and if she was mentally challenged. I selected parts of an article that answered those questions. Since I was curious to know what country she is from and her connection to East Side High School, I pointed those things out.
It looks like he has legal status.
With green cards and enough money why didn't they sponsor the daughter for a green card?
Also both jobs likely pay under the table and he is not paying taxes on his rental income.
Sorry that girl is handicapped but pissed off by foreigners coming in and shamelessly freeloading off of our taxes while cheating themselves.
Spanish term is sin verguenza.
So all of you have already accepted that she’s an “undocumented immigrant” rather than an illegal alien?
This is why the left always wins.
Well, that was a mistake. Also, his green card can be revoked for breaking the law …
Her parents showing the writer her perfect attendance award from 2006 was pretty depressing. It also reminds me of this anecdote John Derbyshire told about his wife:
This relates to the Florida shooting, in that the shooter, Nikolas de Jesus Cruz, was allegedly a two-fer.
Both “special needs” (i.e. retarded) and Hispanic. It accounts why he was never expelled despite allegedly selling knives in school, getting into fights with teachers, students, setting fires, and vandalizing school property. Not only the “Dear Colleague” letter from the Obama DOJ telling schools not to suspend or expel students of Color without a matching one that’s White (hence the mere formalization of zero tolerance which looks to expel a White student for a kitchen knife in his lunchbox to match the Black one for raping a teacher). But also special needs.
You don’t as a school EVER expel a Special Needs student. There are all sorts of state and federal laws forbidding it for anything other than a mass school slaughter.
And that’s why the Sheriff’s Dept had at last count 45 separate visits to the house and did nothing. Not only Latino, but special needs.
And it explains “the coward of Broward” and the other three deputies who hid behind their cars upon arriving. They no doubt knew EXACTLY who was in there doing the shooting, and did not want to deal with a DOJ investigation punishing them if they shot the kid. Special Needs and Latino? Again that’s a two-fer, no Cop with sense to add two and two after Ferguson and Baltimore would do anything but get donuts.
I agree that some of the remarks are mean spirited, but they are not really directed at this poor girl. The meanness comes from the fact that What We Were Promised by Pelosi, the NY Times, Obama and the entire establishment (valedictorian Dreamers, fantastic credit to our nation Dreamers) falls so far short of What We Actually Got (this poor girl). Usually if someone promises you a top of the line laptop and when you get the box home it is filled with rocks instead, that means that the person who sold it to you is a con man (con person?) and people hate being conned.
I have nothing but pity for this girl but I see no earthly reason why she should be the responsibility of the taxpayers of the US and NY State in particular. There are mentally challenged individuals all over the globe and we can’t just take them all or even so many of them as were able to smuggle themselves into the country. Back home in her village she could be harmlessly employed shucking corn or something but in the US a single individual like this can cost the taxpayers millions over a lifetime.
Why import more?
One of those “wow, just wow” stories.
Dad (allegedly) works 80 hours a week for two bus companies (against regs to drive that long; maybe he was pushing a broom part of the time; following the rules doesn’t seem to be a strong point here), owns seven houses.
The family didn’t evince much sophistication in the interviews, but they worked the system (no doubt with help from the usuals) to acquire property and get their kid, at age eighteen, into a special HS program for the next three years.
See the wheels turn: “special needs” programs are getting to be a large chunk of spending in schools; they were probably happy to have her and nurse things along into adulthood; some realtor made seven sales, “growing” the GDP in the process. WHEEE!
Get Bill Kauffman to interview her!
If her corpus is as round as her visage, it’s more likely to be Prader-Willi. They’re classmates of the Down kids, with similar IQ range, but they lack that switch in the brain that says “I’m full”, so you have to lock the refrigerator or go broke.
I have a relative with this condition. His classmate with Down was the daughter of a major college football coach.
In junior high I don't remember any student over 15 and even in senior high we had no one over 18. I don't know if it was policy, I think anyone over the traditional age was just sent to a GED prep instead if they had a significant break in education.
I'm sure different districts have different policies, but since high school is only good for getting you into college or enlisting anymore I think it's been sort of mooted.
At least you didn’t call them “window lickers”.
Most of the kids were not that weird, most were simply from bad homes and acted out once too often for the regular school district. SSD was a huge St. Louis boondoggle. The really weird kids were kicked out and generally just hung out until they were old enough to get a GED, or they didn't even do that. They got jobs that paid enough to buy a car and pay rent on an apartment anyway, at least until the late 80s.
Add to that he owns seven houses, so he is probably a landlord and works to maintain those units.
I see a safety hazard here.
By law if you are driving for more than one motor carrier, both have to be informed of this, and most truck and bus companies do not allow this. (Ski bus companies often hire construction truck drivers in their off season, but they are not generally allowed to do both at the same time. Most truck companies will let a driver drive a church bus on Sunday if it’s not for pay. )
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/summary-hours-service-regulations
will give you the current regs in summary.
To wit:
60/70-Hour Limit
May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days. A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.
In other words you can be on a 7 or an 8 day cycle, you can drive 60 hours in 7 days, or 70 hours in 8 days.
They actually did arrive in a short bus, it was built on a 600 or 700 series Ford chassis and had air brakes and everything but had half the length.
Most of the kids were not that weird, most were simply from bad homes and acted out once too often for the regular school district. SSD was a huge St. Louis boondoggle. The really weird kids were kicked out and generally just hung out until they were old enough to get a GED, or they didn’t even do that. They got jobs that paid enough to buy a car and pay rent on an apartment anyway, at least until the late 80s.
DOT regulations prohibit more than 60 driving or on duty hours in a seven day period under most circumstances. This guy is probably breaking the law and lying on his hours of service reports. DOT needs to do an audit of his employers.
You are incorrect in assuming that I was giving an opinion on the matter.
If you go back and look at the initial comments in this thread, people were asking why was she 21 and still in high school and if she was mentally challenged. I selected parts of an article that answered those questions. Since I was curious to know what country she is from and her connection to East Side High School, I pointed those things out.
That was my first thought. My second: Heidi Beirich’s long lost twin sister.
What if that is their best?
She doesn’t look right in the head. They do deport mentally challenged people but it’ll be interesting to see if they follow through here. Her mom may have to be deported with her.
Well, having read through another 20 comments, thanks for trying.
It seems we’re getting more ZeroHedge and Taki type nasty nyuk-nyuks in the neighborhood. Especially when Mr. Sailer baits the hook with a picture.
It’s the same thing with criminals, not just the retarded as is the case with this woman. Every nation produces its own supply of criminals, wastrels and the mentally deficient, all of whom cost resources to take care of one way or another.
Why import more?
To vote for a Democrat and gibs..
The parents have green cards and that’s a travesty. Anyone who has entered or overstayed in the US illegally should never have the option of permanent residency or citizenship. The best solution is to revoke their green cards and deport them back to Mexico. Let Mexico take care of Mexicans, particularly the costly ones. And what’s the deal with the parents speaking only Spanish? They’ve been here for 17 years.
I just awoke to news reports of “sweeping” – the reporters’ word, not mine! – raids to capture illegal aliens in California which captured … wait for it … eleven (11)! people.
Is there an option to insert Mr. Derbyshire’s maniacal laughter? Maybe lift a pinky to one’s lips to repeat “eleven” with sinister emphasis?
We should have the problem with these invaders all squared away by 4050, amiright? Donald Trump is a conman and a sack of shit.
If even a half-hearted and incompetent raid, nevermind a sweeping one, in Mexinchifornia can boast only eleven invaders captured, I don’t think we need to bother anymore conjecturing about the recent vagaries and corruption amongst federal police.
Notice her mother speaks only in Spanish (presumably she would otherwise speak English to the reporter…). If the invader brought her daughter into what used to be the U.S.A. when the daughter was yet a minor, then the mother has been here at least four years.
Anyone without basic conversational abilities in English after four years’ effort either is making no effort or is herself mentally deficient.
I have a cousin by marriage whose grandfather arrived here from Russia when he was 17 not speaking a word of English and by the time he was 30 he was a judge. An Alex Kozinski type. But there are probably 50 plus IQ points between that guy and the mother of the retarded girl. Mestizos can be very nice people (or not) but rarely are they intellectual giants.
The less affluent foreigners condemn themselves to a cultural ghetto.
Everything is deferred action with these children.
Seriously. He needs to tweet this out. Just two words: “Another Dreamer” and the picture and link.
The Democrats have filled–or tried to fill–normies heads with pious cant about “Dreamers”. She’s actually as representative as any grad student that they can dig up studying physics. The median “dreamer” is a HS dropout, perhaps with a GED.
In Mexico, perhaps she can go to flight school, living a kick-ass life as a pilot.
In another meeting with Hispanic congressional Democrats later in January, Kelly made the case once more for a “merit-based system” for legal immigration. Members reminded him what he was asking of them. “He’s saying this to 25 members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus!” Representative Luis Gutiérrez, an Illinois Democrat, told me. “My mom came with a fifth-grade education. Someone stood up and said to him, ‘So you don’t think we should even be here?’ We’re the children of those parents. And we’re members of Congress.”
Kelly’s active role in immigration policy, Whipple told me, was highly unusual for a chief of staff, setting Kelly apart from even otherwise partisan warriors like Dick Cheney, who served as chief to Gerald Ford, and Rahm Emanuel, the first to hold the position under Obama. “This is abnormal,” Whipple said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/26/magazine/how-long-can-john-kelly-hang-on.html?src=trending
Bets on how long Kelly lasts?
Obviously, Rochester ought not to have subjected that unfortunate young woman to the media. In Austin, Texas, where another copycat threat was made, you have the other extreme. The judicial powers-that-be are evidently less concerned with gun violence than their co-partisans profess to be, or they are simply less concerned with it than with this fellow’s civil liberties, or perhaps they want such events to happen for their own reasons – a motivation you can never entirely dismiss:
http://kxan.com/2018/02/25/da-seeks-restrictions-on-suspect-who-threatened-to-shoot-and-blow-up-akins-hs/
This girl’s story illustrates how the various stupidies of the government collide with each other and sometimes produce (maybe – somehow I doubt that they are really going to send this girl back to Mexico when all is said and done) the right result. While she should never have been here and in particular in some expensive taxpayer paid special education program in the 1st place, it is also clear that this girl is profoundly retarded and incapable of making terroristic threats or whatever they are accusing her of, let alone carrying them out. This is just bureaucratic barn door closing because they screwed up so badly on Cruz. It’s my guess that someone else posted the threat under her name. Her parents say that she is incapable of making her way to the corner store let alone to a school on the other side of town.
I (sort of) understand the rationale for providing a free public education to illegal alien children. Given that they are here and that no one seems (really) interested in sending them back, it’s better that they get some sort of education rather than being out on the street breaking into cars, etc. and while very few will go on to get their PhD.s like the Dreamers in the ads, if they are educated in some useful trade they will be less likely to burden the taxpayers later. But it really seems to me that the cost/benefit ratio of providing an illegal alien child with special education tilts one way – the taxpayers get all the cost and the illegal alien family gets all the benefit. If we can’t bill the families directly then maybe we should be getting the government of Mexico to pay for the cost of taking care of its disabled citizens. The Federal budget is wildly out of balance (and no one seems to care anymore – apres moi le deluge) – a remittance tax wouldn’t hurt.
Why is a retarded woman of twenty-one years still in any sort of secondary school, even one catering to the mentally disabled?
Let me be clear: I used to work with the mentally disabled as a caretaker. My particular charge had mild mental retardation but kept a basic job as a file-clerk for the local university. He lived in his own flat and took a bus to work. I stopped by for an hour or two each weekday and longer on Saturdays to take him on errands because he couldn't drive (buying groceries, visiting friends, etc.); Helped make sure he was cooking and eating properly and cleaning his flat (he was capable of these things but would not do them unless cajoled to); and monitored his finances, paying his bills and such. He received a modest income augmented by governmental welfare. I'm actually not much bothered by taxes going to subsidise such a life for similarly unfortunate but otherwise worthy persons.
This woman should be in a programme to put her in a similar position, not to give her a phony participation-trophy of a high-school diploma at the age of thirty.
She should be in practical programmes to teach her (if possible) some basic skill to have an at least marginally productive job to promote responsibility and self-worth then placed in a situation with support such as I provided or, if necessary, a kind of group-home for such folks with greater needs. (Similar arrangements should of course be made with her family to care for her if viable, but in many such cases this becomes harder to realise once parents become aged or die, hence planning for a modicum of Independence is best when at all possible.)
Most importantly, she should be doing all if these things, of course, in Mexico. In fact, if her own parents cannot properly care for her, I know of at least one Mexican more than happy to proactively parent the children of others.
The kids are mostly just warehoused.
The mildly retarded daughter of an acquaintance finally learned to read after years of special ed in about three months through daily private tutoring.
Jack, thank you. Nice crafted response.
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/summary-hours-service-regulations
will give you the current regs in summary.
To wit:
60/70-Hour Limit
May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days. A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.
In other words you can be on a 7 or an 8 day cycle, you can drive 60 hours in 7 days, or 70 hours in 8 days.
I do the payroll for a delivery company and their drivers regularly do 60+ hour, 5 day weeks. They luuuvvvv the overtime and double time. But then, they’re carrying stuff, not people.
Her face should be on a poster demonstrating the folly of miscegenation. Honestly, any white lady reading this thread should be on her pretty pink knees thanking the god of choice that her dad and mum didn’t have a case of jungle fever.
the article states she “qualifies for DACA” but fails to state she ever applied for DACA.
How did her parents obtain green cards ? It is nearly impossible for illegal aliens to obtain green cards…I suppose their American born children could sponsor them when they turned 18, but they snuck into the United states 18 years ago…unless the father had been in America longer than 20 years and had an elder child sponsor him and his wife.
Reminds me of the case of “Brandon Lee” who mysteriously [think funny handshakes and rolled up trousers] managed to pass himself off as 17 when he was actually 32, just like those vulnerable Middle Eastern refugees today…
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/man-32-posed-as-fifth-former-for-year-1601748.html
Even more realpolitik, if I may:
Why is a retarded woman of twenty-one years still in any sort of secondary school, even one catering to the mentally disabled?
Let me be clear: I used to work with the mentally disabled as a caretaker. My particular charge had mild mental retardation but kept a basic job as a file-clerk for the local university. He lived in his own flat and took a bus to work. I stopped by for an hour or two each weekday and longer on Saturdays to take him on errands because he couldn’t drive (buying groceries, visiting friends, etc.); Helped make sure he was cooking and eating properly and cleaning his flat (he was capable of these things but would not do them unless cajoled to); and monitored his finances, paying his bills and such. He received a modest income augmented by governmental welfare. I’m actually not much bothered by taxes going to subsidise such a life for similarly unfortunate but otherwise worthy persons.
This woman should be in a programme to put her in a similar position, not to give her a phony participation-trophy of a high-school diploma at the age of thirty.
She should be in practical programmes to teach her (if possible) some basic skill to have an at least marginally productive job to promote responsibility and self-worth then placed in a situation with support such as I provided or, if necessary, a kind of group-home for such folks with greater needs. (Similar arrangements should of course be made with her family to care for her if viable, but in many such cases this becomes harder to realise once parents become aged or die, hence planning for a modicum of Independence is best when at all possible.)
Most importantly, she should be doing all if these things, of course, in Mexico. In fact, if her own parents cannot properly care for her, I know of at least one Mexican more than happy to proactively parent the children of others.
I've been involved with manufacturing concerns for my entire career. There's always been some sort of piece work that has to be done for low costs, and I've always recommended using a local organization that helps these people live lives that are something close to normal.
https://triangle-inc.org/
I worked as a courier and it was “Job and finish”, they gave you a list of maybe 200 drops and you went home when you had done them all.
Story about green cards sounds fishy.
With green cards and enough money why didn’t they sponsor the daughter for a green card?
Also both jobs likely pay under the table and he is not paying taxes on his rental income.
Sorry that girl is handicapped but pissed off by foreigners coming in and shamelessly freeloading off of our taxes while cheating themselves.
Spanish term is sin verguenza.
She could achieve her DREAM if Rachel Jeantel would tutor her.
95% of special ed is a jobs program for teachers and “aides.”
The kids are mostly just warehoused.
The mildly retarded daughter of an acquaintance finally learned to read after years of special ed in about three months through daily private tutoring.
LOL…. oh Jesus… OMG…
@Almost Missouri:
I noticed that too, as always happens for these stories. “If it doesn’t fit the Narrative, it didn’t happen.” The MSM in a nutshell.
C’mon, Americans are not sending their best either.
Somebody with that name is about as "American" as Yan Shen.
But that just says something, and something not good, about the state of society in the US. Why should she not be harmlessly employed sweeping up in her father’s rental properties or helping one of her parents or siblings in their job? Why should she cost taxpayers millions over a lifetime in the US, but not in Mexico?
Are we going to tell US citizens that if they have children with Down’s Syndrome, then they should shoot them with their legal guns so as to save the taxpayers millions of dollars? Maybe the money saved by killing of thousands of mentally handicapped people could be used for some more worthy cause, like a military parade, or installing bullet proof doors and windows in schools.
Of course we do not know the whole story of her family and how her parents obtained their green cards, but I cannot see why she she not be able get US citizenship if her parents have green cards and her siblings are US citizens, since they are all going to pay millions of dollars of taxes over their lifetimes, if that is really an issue.
I'm not saying that people with Down's Syndrome should be shot - they are human and have to be treated humanely. She should have been humanely treated back in her home country.
You're right that something is seriously wrong with our society. We see this with medical costs. Mexico's entire health care budget wouldn't be a rounding error in the US budget but their life expectancies are within spitting distance of ours, so what are we getting for all those trillions? Same with education. We like to criticize Mexico as corrupt but their corruption is small potatoes compared to the organized rackets that send trillions to US drug companies, hospital corporations, the teachers unions, etc.
Oh, nicely done. Let's see, we have evil eugenics, the 2nd amendment, the military, doors/windows as proxy for social and border security, all wrapped up in one hysterical (but carefully understated, of course) paragraph.
You were and are the only one to propose killing the mentally handicapped, but for others to object to subsidizing the mentally and/or physically deficient, particularly of other cultures and nations, is far from proposing their deaths. Another midwit binary thinker. Those who have loved ones who suffer from various handicaps may well love them, and average people certainly neither hate nor resent them, until or unless they hold the rest of society hostage in their never-ending pursuit of cosmic justice and magic equality.
I'm terribly sorry some children suffer from peanut allergies, but I'll be damned if an entire school or summer camp should be forced to forbid a common, beloved, inexpensive, and relatively nutritious American childhood dietary staple for the sake of a child or two being inconvenienced or excluded. I'm certain that "mainstreaming" someone's handicapped child makes them feel happier and more accepted; it even might help their academic progress, but the entire rest of the class, not to mention the brighter children, will be held back by that child's inclusion. There is a tremendous amount of territory between mass killings and turning society on its head for the benefit of the least fit, but bleeding heart midwits like you constantly attempt to shame anyone who proposes some sane balance.
If said mentally-deficient illegal immigrant's parents do, in fact, have "green cards," I can guarantee you they got them via the usual pilpul immigration attorney's spindling of our already mutilated immigration laws. That her siblings are "citizens" is by virtue of midwits like you misinterpreting the clear intent of the relevant constitutional amendment, whose authors felt certain it wouldn't be necessary to spell out such intent, because surely any sane individual would understand it, but when pressed grudgingly added language ensuring that the children of foreign diplomats would not acquire US citizenship at birth - but thanks to your ilk, the children of their damned gardners do.
A pox on all do-gooders, immigrants, and especially (((do-gooder immigrants))) and their bleeding heart arguments claiming it's racist, anti-semitic, and exclusionary to have a nice country.
Here’s what you wrote back in 2015 (#40):
I’ve never heard an American propose euthanizing our retards. Never. The best solutions I’ve seen are (1) prenatal testing and abortion of identifiable major defects, and (2) the modern retard colonies all around the country where they can have a semblance of a life. The ones I’ve visited take severely retarded adults and provide housing, supervision 24/7, medical care, entertainment, and jobs suited to their abilities usually taking products off conveyor belts and placing into boxes (toothbrushes of the type given convicts or hotel guests and magnets to list two I’ve seen). This helps offset the cost of care (indeed millions per lifetime) and keeps them healthy, occupied, entertained, and among others that are similar to themselves. Currently these are both entirely voluntary and I know personally people who refused amniocentesis, bore a Down kid, then did it again and had a second. They’ll never pay the cost of their decision (economically) and thus we are all paying for their deliberate choices. I have an in-law with Down who receives 12 hours daily of tax funded one-on-one caregivers, housing allowance, Medicare, additional help from social workers, occupational therapists, transportation, etc, all on the taxpayer, while being beneficiary of a seven figure trust fund exclusively for “entertainment”. His life is spent watching the same handful of movies over and over and over while his social interaction is limited to caregivers and family. I know of at least two others, not Downies but similarly disabled, with all the above and much higher sums in trust..
Is this remotely reasonable? And you’d have us expand to accepting all the genetic defects from Mexico whose parents can smuggle them into America? How about the tens of millions of Africans with IQs below 50? I suppose you already donate 100% of your income to the IRS to help cover the costs?
This could be done humanely. Make it clear that these people will never be allowed to reenter the US, but give them some assistance in prison to help them get acquainted with their country of origin. This could be framed, justifiably, as a way to enable them to get a new start on life. Make it clear to them that the educational opportunities available in the prison system will in many cases not be available to them when they return "home", and punish malefactors harshly, while genuinely aiming to help those who are trying to give it a go.
You’re clearly thinking about this entire issue, but this phrase stopped me dead in my tracks. Thinking, we must live on different planets. We can’t keep anyone out of this country, and the ‘open-borders’ contingent is about to achieve a permanent majority. Nice idea you had, anyway.
It’s a really effective method of bringing the educational enterprise right down to a grinding halt for more ‘normal’ students. I’m not sure I think that’s worthwhile.
Could you tell us the exact routes these guys drive? Would prefer to stay clear of them.
However, and not to put too fine a point on it, people are all over everywhere they’re driving. People like you and me. Well, you–I try to stay home nowadays. Too dangerous out there!
Most of the kids were not that weird, most were simply from bad homes and acted out once too often for the regular school district. SSD was a huge St. Louis boondoggle. The really weird kids were kicked out and generally just hung out until they were old enough to get a GED, or they didn't even do that. They got jobs that paid enough to buy a car and pay rent on an apartment anyway, at least until the late 80s.
There is a lot of money in special ed students.
Anyone without basic conversational abilities in English after four years' effort either is making no effort or is herself mentally deficient.
You are messing up the chronology. She brought the kid when she was 3 years old, more than 15 years ago. It’s quite common for Hispanics to be here for decades and never learn English.
I have a cousin by marriage whose grandfather arrived here from Russia when he was 17 not speaking a word of English and by the time he was 30 he was a judge. An Alex Kozinski type. But there are probably 50 plus IQ points between that guy and the mother of the retarded girl. Mestizos can be very nice people (or not) but rarely are they intellectual giants.
Additionally virtually all Latin American immigrants speak Spanish and tend to congregate in communities. So Salvadorans and Mexicans can readily communicate with no need to learn English.
Contrast that to our ancestors. We had Poles, Greeks, Italians, Germans, Jews from all over and others crowding into cities. They had to learn English not only to adjust to America, but to communicate with the other wretched refuse. Today's predominately Spanish speakers don't face that hurdle.
Ironically, learning English should be relatively easier for Spanish speakers than those whose European language doesn't have a Latin alphabet, and it should be extremely easier than for someone from a culture like Japan or China whose language is completely different from European ones.
Millions of $ of taxes – I really doubt it.
I’m not saying that people with Down’s Syndrome should be shot – they are human and have to be treated humanely. She should have been humanely treated back in her home country.
You’re right that something is seriously wrong with our society. We see this with medical costs. Mexico’s entire health care budget wouldn’t be a rounding error in the US budget but their life expectancies are within spitting distance of ours, so what are we getting for all those trillions? Same with education. We like to criticize Mexico as corrupt but their corruption is small potatoes compared to the organized rackets that send trillions to US drug companies, hospital corporations, the teachers unions, etc.
What are the odds that some classmate stole this poor retarded girl’s Facebook login credentials and posted the threat in her name as some kind of prank?
Just trying to guess what the underlying facts might be here.
As a matter of immigration policy, I’m not above a supremely hard-headed approach: No green cards or citizenship for the feeble-minded. If that means her family moves en bloc back to Mexico, great. If that means one member moves back to care for her and the remaining family members remain in the U.S. on legal status (which news outlets report them to have), that’s fine. If she goes back to Mexico alone, in care of a relative or a Mexican institution of the feeble minded — no problem.
The U.S. government does not have a moral obligation to take pity on retarded Mexican children at large. Just the opposite: The U.S. government has a moral obligation to safeguard the interests of the U.S. public at large, which generally requires that foreign individuals manifestly unable to contribute to society be denied the sought-after privilege of legal residence in America.
Not their best and brightest indeed. President Trump called this one.
@75 Jonathan Mason: “Are we going to tell US citizens that if they have children with Down’s Syndrome, then they should shoot them with their legal guns so as to save the taxpayers millions of dollars? Maybe the money saved by killing of thousands of mentally handicapped people could be used for some more worthy cause, like a military parade, or installing bullet proof doors and windows in schools.”
Oh, nicely done. Let’s see, we have evil eugenics, the 2nd amendment, the military, doors/windows as proxy for social and border security, all wrapped up in one hysterical (but carefully understated, of course) paragraph.
You were and are the only one to propose killing the mentally handicapped, but for others to object to subsidizing the mentally and/or physically deficient, particularly of other cultures and nations, is far from proposing their deaths. Another midwit binary thinker. Those who have loved ones who suffer from various handicaps may well love them, and average people certainly neither hate nor resent them, until or unless they hold the rest of society hostage in their never-ending pursuit of cosmic justice and magic equality.
I’m terribly sorry some children suffer from peanut allergies, but I’ll be damned if an entire school or summer camp should be forced to forbid a common, beloved, inexpensive, and relatively nutritious American childhood dietary staple for the sake of a child or two being inconvenienced or excluded. I’m certain that “mainstreaming” someone’s handicapped child makes them feel happier and more accepted; it even might help their academic progress, but the entire rest of the class, not to mention the brighter children, will be held back by that child’s inclusion. There is a tremendous amount of territory between mass killings and turning society on its head for the benefit of the least fit, but bleeding heart midwits like you constantly attempt to shame anyone who proposes some sane balance.
If said mentally-deficient illegal immigrant’s parents do, in fact, have “green cards,” I can guarantee you they got them via the usual pilpul immigration attorney’s spindling of our already mutilated immigration laws. That her siblings are “citizens” is by virtue of midwits like you misinterpreting the clear intent of the relevant constitutional amendment, whose authors felt certain it wouldn’t be necessary to spell out such intent, because surely any sane individual would understand it, but when pressed grudgingly added language ensuring that the children of foreign diplomats would not acquire US citizenship at birth – but thanks to your ilk, the children of their damned gardners do.
A pox on all do-gooders, immigrants, and especially (((do-gooder immigrants))) and their bleeding heart arguments claiming it’s racist, anti-semitic, and exclusionary to have a nice country.
I am also a Catholic. I suppose you have a point that a few of the comments here are rather off-focus insofar as they tend to target the girl. Nevertheless there are some actors in this drama which do deserve our wrath, and it is perhaps forgivable that in the visceral verbal reaction one might mix up targets (the girl IS an illegal alien and was apparently contemplating so far as she is capable an attack which would have cost American lives).
Just the other day I nearly blew my stack fending off four Romani minors I caught trying to rob a lonely quinquagenarian woman at an ATM in a posh district in whatever limited legal way I could. I’m still mad. Obviously the first people who deserve my fury are the idiots in the government and the judicial branch in particular who have created this perpetual Lent through stupid immigration law and pro-criminal attitudes toward self-defense. Still, they are not the ones who accosted that poor lady and wrecked my day, and I can tell you those who did are certainly not close to my heart.
“Yevgeniy Vasilievich Bayraktar ”
Somebody with that name is about as “American” as Yan Shen.
/s
He bears the name of a Turkish drone.
True.
Irrelevant, rhetorical whinging.
Why shoot them when (white) abortion rates for Down fetuses are already high? Seems inefficient. If you’re really concerned, you should advocate for a 100% Down abortion rate. In the U.S., Hispanic women are the most likely to carry a Down fetus to term.
But then there would be fewer commenters to fisk here on Unz.
Assuming they remain law-abiding and productive, her Hispanic relatives are unlikely to pay millions of dollars (each) in taxes unless U.S. inflation skyrockets to Zimbabwe levels. Assuming a significant amount of her relatives will be criminals/deadbeats of some sort, they’re likely to be net liabilities for the (real) American taxpayer.
Here’s what you wrote back in 2015 (#40):
I have a cousin by marriage whose grandfather arrived here from Russia when he was 17 not speaking a word of English and by the time he was 30 he was a judge. An Alex Kozinski type. But there are probably 50 plus IQ points between that guy and the mother of the retarded girl. Mestizos can be very nice people (or not) but rarely are they intellectual giants.
“It’s quite common for Hispanics to be here for decades and never learn English.”
The Dominican immigrant in New York who won the Powerball jackpot when Obama was still POTUS had been living in The U.S since 1987 when Reagan was still POTUS and yet he still needed an English-to-Spanish translator to communicate with the mainstream media press about his Lottery winning.
Last I heard he squandered his entire multi-million dollar Powerball fortune and is now completely broke. A Dominican turning riches back to rags. If he was a Jew Powerball winner he would be set for life and never go broke.
Just the other day I nearly blew my stack fending off four Romani minors I caught trying to rob a lonely quinquagenarian woman at an ATM in a posh district in whatever limited legal way I could. I’m still mad. Obviously the first people who deserve my fury are the idiots in the government and the judicial branch in particular who have created this perpetual Lent through stupid immigration law and pro-criminal attitudes toward self-defense. Still, they are not the ones who accosted that poor lady and wrecked my day, and I can tell you those who did are certainly not close to my heart.
Nico, thank you for your reply, but you don’t have to be a Catholic to think like I did in this case.
Here’s what you wrote back in 2015 (#40):
Jenner,….”But then there would be fewer commenters to fisk here on Unz.” Classic.
Here’s what you wrote back in 2015 (#40):
If I had to make the decision I’d abort the Downs fetus. It’s the least bad alternative.
Whoa! Somebody beat her with an ugly stick.
If you had to work with one of two colleagues, otherwise equivalent in every respect,
one of whom you knew had aborted a Downs fetus,
and one who had allowed the baby to be born,
WHICH COLLEAGUE would you prefer to work with day-in day-out?
Will be more focused on work, and less distracted by the high needs child who will never move out of her home.
Ergo, more like to pull her weight at work, day in and day out.
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/summary-hours-service-regulations
will give you the current regs in summary.
To wit:
60/70-Hour Limit
May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days. A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.
In other words you can be on a 7 or an 8 day cycle, you can drive 60 hours in 7 days, or 70 hours in 8 days.
Thanks for the information.
OT, or perhaps not.
Japan maintains tough stance on refugees, only 20 accepted in 2017
That’s 20, not 20 million or 20,000.
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201802140039.html
I have a cousin by marriage whose grandfather arrived here from Russia when he was 17 not speaking a word of English and by the time he was 30 he was a judge. An Alex Kozinski type. But there are probably 50 plus IQ points between that guy and the mother of the retarded girl. Mestizos can be very nice people (or not) but rarely are they intellectual giants.
I am assuming part of this is lower ability, but a big part is the fact Spanish is de facto the second language in the USA. You not only have Spanish media, you have stores like Lowes using Spanish signs in their aisles. Every bank seems to have bilingual tellers. And the government readily allows Spanish to be used from driver’s licenses to voting.
Additionally virtually all Latin American immigrants speak Spanish and tend to congregate in communities. So Salvadorans and Mexicans can readily communicate with no need to learn English.
Contrast that to our ancestors. We had Poles, Greeks, Italians, Germans, Jews from all over and others crowding into cities. They had to learn English not only to adjust to America, but to communicate with the other wretched refuse. Today’s predominately Spanish speakers don’t face that hurdle.
Ironically, learning English should be relatively easier for Spanish speakers than those whose European language doesn’t have a Latin alphabet, and it should be extremely easier than for someone from a culture like Japan or China whose language is completely different from European ones.
Somebody with that name is about as "American" as Yan Shen.
““Yevgeniy Vasilievich Bayraktar ”
Somebody with that name is about as “American” as Yan Shen.”
Sounds like either a Central Asian, Caucasus Region, or Slavic Eastern European name. Either way none of the WASP Anglo Saxon Founding Fathers from England had names like that.
Survey says...Not American.
There used to be an adult education center downtown. It was in the building that once housed Josh Lofton Junior High School. It appears to have closed in 2004. Not sure what replaced it.
Edison Tech was at one time one of the three VoTech high schools in the county. The complaint has been for some time that the district made it a dumping ground for disciplinary problems. I don’t recall it being a special ed center in my era.
Would depend on other variables. I wouldn’t avoid someone who followed their religious convictions,nor someone who acted rationally to spare a lot of people a lot of grief.
Additionally virtually all Latin American immigrants speak Spanish and tend to congregate in communities. So Salvadorans and Mexicans can readily communicate with no need to learn English.
Contrast that to our ancestors. We had Poles, Greeks, Italians, Germans, Jews from all over and others crowding into cities. They had to learn English not only to adjust to America, but to communicate with the other wretched refuse. Today's predominately Spanish speakers don't face that hurdle.
Ironically, learning English should be relatively easier for Spanish speakers than those whose European language doesn't have a Latin alphabet, and it should be extremely easier than for someone from a culture like Japan or China whose language is completely different from European ones.
“Ironically, learning English should be relatively easier for Spanish speakers than those whose European language doesn’t have a Latin alphabet, and it should be extremely easier than for someone from a culture like Japan or China whose language is completely different from European ones.”
The same Hispanic immigrants who say they can’t learn how to speak English because it’s an extremely difficult language, imagine if they had immigrated to South Korea or Japan for example, fuggedaboutit they would be screwed big time.
I can easily imagine how that would happen. There has been a massive pushback against special ed classification of diversity due to the differential in bell curves by race. It’s why IQ testing in CA schools is prohibited for example. White parents push to get their retards into special ed for the extra help. Diversities get offended that too many of their kids are special ed qualified and burn down their neighborhoods. So diversity retards wind up in regular classes without the qualifications that would otherwise get them help and protection they really ought to have. The game continues of course when the diversities get into trouble in regular schools and the entire disciplinary system has to be chucked out the window (a la Broward & Miami-Dade Counties for an example of catastrophic failure currently in the news) to prevent “discriminatory” discipline and “school to prison pipeline.”
RE Downies specifically, I have one in my in-law’s family and he is legally entitled to vote. They never registered him (to my knowledge) despite being socialist democrats, but the point is that somebody who functions as a 3 year old mentally has the same voting right that his university mathematics professor father has. If he did vote, I can state authoritatively that he would always vote “Ice Cream.”
It’s hardly ridiculing the mentally retarded (not “ill” – PC would be “severely developmentally disabled” or “severely developmentally delayed”) to point out that she’s hardly “the brightest and best” as we’ve been propagandized. It’s also a very valid question why the American taxpayer is on the hook to pay for a lifetime of outrageously expensive care for Mexico’s genetic defects. This one, if as retarded as her attorney claims, qualifies for 24/7 tax funded caregivers, medical care (usually one that mentally defective has a host of other medical problems like diabetes etc.), food, lodging, transportation, and entertainment. Millions of dollars over her lifetime.
I want mandatory amniocentesis and pre-natal DNA testing with mandatory abortion of all known major defects like Down unless parents post a private bond covering all lifetime costs of care – for American citizens. Foisting such damaged creatures off on the taxpayer when they’re illegal aliens is beyond outrage. We have the ability to avoid this (citizen and illegal), we have no excuse.
FWIW I know a woman who is not stupid-she does have mental and emotional quirks-who was born fairly deformed, with an asymmetrical neck, a flail arm and uneven legs (they operated so she can walk) and she routinely says, I'm going to do the best I can in this life, but I really wish I'd never been born.
I understand perfectly.
There was a restructuring of Edison Tech in 2015, including the consolidation of two smaller high schools. According to Schooldigger, the enrollment jumped from 701 to 1676 (2016). I can’t find any articles regarding a new special education program, but I assume some sort of program was implemented at Edison at that time to help special needs kids become more independent or work ready.
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2015/01/07/city-district-will-restore-edison-tech/21406045/
In 2010, the four-year high school graduation rate for black males in the city of Rochester was 9%. No matter what changes the school district makes, they are just rearranging deck chairs on a sinking ship.
This family keeps getting automated calls from the Rochester school district that use a racial slur:
What's curious about this is that I see from the Census survey that the City of Rochester does not have a truncated youth population. School-age juveniles are 17% of the total, or about 35,000 in raw numbers. Enrollment in district schools is about 27,500, so > 20% of the city's youth are homeschooled or in Catholic schools, or dispatched to suburban districts where non-custodial parents live. In my era, white anglos made up about 40% of the enrollment in the district. Now it is 10%.
Or even their best looking.
Nice Strawman! Yeah, we are all building the gas chambers even now…
I’ve never heard an American propose euthanizing our retards. Never. The best solutions I’ve seen are (1) prenatal testing and abortion of identifiable major defects, and (2) the modern retard colonies all around the country where they can have a semblance of a life. The ones I’ve visited take severely retarded adults and provide housing, supervision 24/7, medical care, entertainment, and jobs suited to their abilities usually taking products off conveyor belts and placing into boxes (toothbrushes of the type given convicts or hotel guests and magnets to list two I’ve seen). This helps offset the cost of care (indeed millions per lifetime) and keeps them healthy, occupied, entertained, and among others that are similar to themselves. Currently these are both entirely voluntary and I know personally people who refused amniocentesis, bore a Down kid, then did it again and had a second. They’ll never pay the cost of their decision (economically) and thus we are all paying for their deliberate choices. I have an in-law with Down who receives 12 hours daily of tax funded one-on-one caregivers, housing allowance, Medicare, additional help from social workers, occupational therapists, transportation, etc, all on the taxpayer, while being beneficiary of a seven figure trust fund exclusively for “entertainment”. His life is spent watching the same handful of movies over and over and over while his social interaction is limited to caregivers and family. I know of at least two others, not Downies but similarly disabled, with all the above and much higher sums in trust..
Is this remotely reasonable? And you’d have us expand to accepting all the genetic defects from Mexico whose parents can smuggle them into America? How about the tens of millions of Africans with IQs below 50? I suppose you already donate 100% of your income to the IRS to help cover the costs?
IIRC, Edison Tech had a census of 2,200 students 40 years ago. The city had nine public high schools at that time.
What’s curious about this is that I see from the Census survey that the City of Rochester does not have a truncated youth population. School-age juveniles are 17% of the total, or about 35,000 in raw numbers. Enrollment in district schools is about 27,500, so > 20% of the city’s youth are homeschooled or in Catholic schools, or dispatched to suburban districts where non-custodial parents live. In my era, white anglos made up about 40% of the enrollment in the district. Now it is 10%.
Most of the kids were not that weird, most were simply from bad homes and acted out once too often for the regular school district. SSD was a huge St. Louis boondoggle. The really weird kids were kicked out and generally just hung out until they were old enough to get a GED, or they didn't even do that. They got jobs that paid enough to buy a car and pay rent on an apartment anyway, at least until the late 80s.
Special Ed teachers are the highest paid teachers in our local school district. I assumed that was because they spend their days dealing with troubled, challenged, and otherwise dysfunctional students. Anyway, if you can stand the stress, the pay is lucrative with guaranteed job security.
Additionally virtually all Latin American immigrants speak Spanish and tend to congregate in communities. So Salvadorans and Mexicans can readily communicate with no need to learn English.
Contrast that to our ancestors. We had Poles, Greeks, Italians, Germans, Jews from all over and others crowding into cities. They had to learn English not only to adjust to America, but to communicate with the other wretched refuse. Today's predominately Spanish speakers don't face that hurdle.
Ironically, learning English should be relatively easier for Spanish speakers than those whose European language doesn't have a Latin alphabet, and it should be extremely easier than for someone from a culture like Japan or China whose language is completely different from European ones.
This; exactly this is the problem. Modern telecommunications and transportation are a bane to assimilation, too, because Old Mexico (or China, ot wherever) is always just a click or a flight away. I regularly catch my Colombian wife lazily gravitating toward translated movies or subtitles.
I give her the “in America we speak English” business and tell her that when she can speak English as well as I can speak Spanish – i.e., not at the level of Cervantes or Borges, but with quite solid fluency – then we can consume media in Spanish if she chooses to. She kicks and screams, but everytime we watch a movie or program entirely in English and with only English subtitles she admits afterwards how much it is improving her vocabulary and ability to understand natural, spoken Enlgish. Speaking Spanish (or Urdu, or Swahili, or Japanese…) and retaining multilingualism is fine if it is done by choice, but it must be in addition to English (or Japanese, if an American emigrates to Japan, and so on…). Gene Simmons, who speaks pretty good Japanese, and basically perfect Hebrew, English, German, and Hungarian, has repeatedly made this important point. One should think of the episode of M.A.S.H. where in Hawkeye realises he is drinking too much booze, so he goes cold turkey to prevent himself from spiraling out of control, saying he will only have a drink again if and when he is drinking because he wants a drink, and not because he needs a drink.
If an immigrant wants to speak twenty other languages for fun, bully for him. But he needs to be able to speak the tongue of his new home. Otherwise, he is just an invading colonist.
The kids are mostly just warehoused.
The mildly retarded daughter of an acquaintance finally learned to read after years of special ed in about three months through daily private tutoring.
A relative teaches a middle school class of students who are “emotionally disabled” but – according to the school – not severely intellectually disabled. At one point she had a class whose students’ reading ability ranged from 3rd-grade level to 11th-grade level. (The best reader was a very bright but very disturbed autistic kid – hopefully not the next Adam Lanza.)
But maybe this sort of thing isn’t unheard of in regular public school classrooms either – I don’t know.
Perhaps not, though I included that information to underscore the drama of the fact that at this stage I no longer feel much of a guilty conscience for caring rather little about the lot of the invaders. Obviously I am not going to pass to certain acts, and yes, good and constructive denouncements should be directed to the proper culprits as precisely as possible. However, that’s the head talking ahead of the heart. And this is where the religious question *is* relevant, because all this goes to illustrate one of the driving forces behind the need, spoken of for so many centuries, to balance and harmonize faith and reason: to restrain and temper the brutal passions of human nature. (I don’t think I need to specify exactly what I would have liked to do – and not felt remorse about doing – to those kids last Saturday had rational judgment about the short- and long-term consequences not restrained me.)
SpecEd teachers also require additional training at least in my district. Only admins are higher paid.
I fear that it is all too common. It wasn’t back in the 70’s and 80’s in my 90% white, .5% afro school district, but today with gifted programs either eliminated or affirmative actioned and in any majority diversity district, I’d bet it’s the case and it’s tragic. Gifted kids are our most precious resource as a nation and we don’t value them at all anymore. I was absolutely stunned when I learned that my school graduated functionally illiterate kids – I only discovered this after I’d left, I never had one in any class.
Why import more?
Why import more?
To vote for a Democrat and gibs..
What part of “otherwise equivalent in every respect” confused you?
Both "special needs" (i.e. retarded) and Hispanic. It accounts why he was never expelled despite allegedly selling knives in school, getting into fights with teachers, students, setting fires, and vandalizing school property. Not only the "Dear Colleague" letter from the Obama DOJ telling schools not to suspend or expel students of Color without a matching one that's White (hence the mere formalization of zero tolerance which looks to expel a White student for a kitchen knife in his lunchbox to match the Black one for raping a teacher). But also special needs.
You don't as a school EVER expel a Special Needs student. There are all sorts of state and federal laws forbidding it for anything other than a mass school slaughter.
And that's why the Sheriff's Dept had at last count 45 separate visits to the house and did nothing. Not only Latino, but special needs.
And it explains "the coward of Broward" and the other three deputies who hid behind their cars upon arriving. They no doubt knew EXACTLY who was in there doing the shooting, and did not want to deal with a DOJ investigation punishing them if they shot the kid. Special Needs and Latino? Again that's a two-fer, no Cop with sense to add two and two after Ferguson and Baltimore would do anything but get donuts.
Special education is the biggest scam going.
I want mandatory amniocentesis and pre-natal DNA testing with mandatory abortion of all known major defects like Down unless parents post a private bond covering all lifetime costs of care - for American citizens. Foisting such damaged creatures off on the taxpayer when they’re illegal aliens is beyond outrage. We have the ability to avoid this (citizen and illegal), we have no excuse.
I agree in spirit but the implementation is not feasible except maybe in a place like Nazi Singapore.
FWIW I know a woman who is not stupid-she does have mental and emotional quirks-who was born fairly deformed, with an asymmetrical neck, a flail arm and uneven legs (they operated so she can walk) and she routinely says, I’m going to do the best I can in this life, but I really wish I’d never been born.
I understand perfectly.
Bravo. One of the good Americans. Had to be a Christian. No matter the point that’s being hammered, a person with Sailer’s IQ shouldn’t need to illustrate it with the example of a retarded, ugly, unkempt young woman.
Hardly a surprise that so many non-White immigrants get alienated & boil over with resentment. They feel insecure, and with good reason. Taki’s stark comment 20 yrs ago about the overall “look” of the Puerto Rican day Parade was on point…. Obesity is now overwhelming Latin America, & in combination with their lower IQs, it bodes ill.
These Aztec & Central Amer-Indian folks belong in their own country, amongst their coethnics.
Why allow them to come here only to resent us. Total fcn madness
And either an immigrant or son of an immigrant. Likely some sort of refugee.
Survey says…Not American.
Here’s what you wrote back in 2015 (#40):
It is good to know that people are still reading stuff I wrote in 2015. I still agree with what I wrote then, which Trump has also said, thus proving that even a stopped clock sometimes tells the right time.
But if the US is spending a fortune on caring for adults with birth defects, that is really an end product of the right-to-life movement. I would certainly agree that aborting fetuses with defects is generally a good idea. What is the point of having ultrasound and other technologies if you are not going to take advantage of them?
All Spartan infants were brought before a council of inspectors and examined for physical defects, and those who weren’t up to standards were left to die. The ancient historian Plutarch claimed these “ill-born” Spartan babies were tossed into a chasm at the foot of Mount Taygetus, but most historians now dismiss this as a myth. If a Spartan baby was judged to be unfit for its future duty as a soldier, it was most likely abandoned on a nearby hillside. Left alone, the child would either die of exposure or be rescued and adopted by strangers.
http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/8-reasons-it-wasnt-easy-being-spartan
This seems like an idea that could garner bipartisan support.
Somebody with that name is about as "American" as Yan Shen.
Not only is he an American, but a New Yorker to boot.
/s
He bears the name of a Turkish drone.
Otherwise equivalent in every respect, I’d have no preference over one or another.
But if they asked my opinion on what to do, I’d say terminate it.
The aborter.
Will be more focused on work, and less distracted by the high needs child who will never move out of her home.
Ergo, more like to pull her weight at work, day in and day out.
Both "special needs" (i.e. retarded) and Hispanic. It accounts why he was never expelled despite allegedly selling knives in school, getting into fights with teachers, students, setting fires, and vandalizing school property. Not only the "Dear Colleague" letter from the Obama DOJ telling schools not to suspend or expel students of Color without a matching one that's White (hence the mere formalization of zero tolerance which looks to expel a White student for a kitchen knife in his lunchbox to match the Black one for raping a teacher). But also special needs.
You don't as a school EVER expel a Special Needs student. There are all sorts of state and federal laws forbidding it for anything other than a mass school slaughter.
And that's why the Sheriff's Dept had at last count 45 separate visits to the house and did nothing. Not only Latino, but special needs.
And it explains "the coward of Broward" and the other three deputies who hid behind their cars upon arriving. They no doubt knew EXACTLY who was in there doing the shooting, and did not want to deal with a DOJ investigation punishing them if they shot the kid. Special Needs and Latino? Again that's a two-fer, no Cop with sense to add two and two after Ferguson and Baltimore would do anything but get donuts.
He was one of the BadJews.
Margaret Thatcher famously said:
And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no governments can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first.
But she might just have well said “There is no such thing as the economy”, because in the modern world the movement of money is so complex that no individual can really understand their role in the economy, even though the news reports every day on the health of the economy.
For example that person being paid to take care of a mentally retarded person who is not a US citizen may use some of the money they earn to buy a membership at Costco. Costco sells American blue cheese which is made by American cheesemakers who buy milk from American dairy farmers, who employ vetinarians, who have children who provide employment for schoolteachers, who buy pencils, which provides employment for pencil makers, and so on. Each entity pays taxes, and in return the government provides a more-or-less stable currency and means of exchange. If there is not enough money, the government creates some more and calls it ‘quantitative easing’.
Everybody has their eye on their own little piece of the pie, but hardly anyone thinks about how the pie dish and the oven was created and maintained.
What if schools were abolished and all children where home-schooled or unschooled. Would this benefit the economy by reducing the burden on taxpayers who pay property taxes. Are there any other possible benefits or pitfalls for society (not that society exists, of course.)
It just seems futile to apply cost/benefit ratios to each individual to decide whether they ought to live or die. Somewhere along the line civilization developed, and by some fluke Christianity became the main religion of Europe (actually because a Roman Emperor got tired of the responsibility of playing God himself and made Christianity the official religion going forward), and Christianity kind of decided that every human life was of value, even though a cursory examination of the facts would reveal that the reverse was true and that very few human lives were of intrinsic value to the rest of the human race. The result of this was that we got things like schools and hospitals and books.
And there was also this idea that in the eyes of God, it is better to give than receive, which even my children could tell you is bullshit.
It is no skin off my nose if the US government takes Abigail Hernandez and puts her in a plane, gives her a parachute, and pushes her out over Mexico, but probably this would not be a good idea and probably it would upset her family. They might just as well spend a nickel out of my income taxes to take care of her, or just print some more money, because that is what they do if the banks go broke.
Yes, and if I break all the windows in your house and slash the tires on your car, that helps the GDP too, but it’s still not a good idea.
Will be more focused on work, and less distracted by the high needs child who will never move out of her home.
Ergo, more like to pull her weight at work, day in and day out.
Do you think the aborter colleague would have MORE or FEWER scruples stabbing you in the back if it serves his or her cold-hearted interests?
From the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, 2/27/2018:
Her parents said Hernandez was not capable of carrying out the threat she is accused of making. They say she has special needs and is very dependent on her family.
She came to the United States from Mexico 18 years ago with her parents, they said, and qualifies for “dreamer” status under Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals rules.
Her father works 80 hours a week as a bus driver for two different companies and owns seven houses in northeast Rochester, including the family’s home off Portland Avenue.
Beatriz Lebron, a member of the Rochester City School District’s school board, raised questions about how Hernandez was treated by police.
“She should not have been questioned without her parents there or legal representation; she may not have known what her rights were,” Lebron said.
“I think people are hypersensitivee right now about the (Parkland) thing — as they should be — but that doesn’t mean we should take mental disability and mash it together with mental health, because they’re two separate things.”
Because she’s being held at the county jail, RCSD is obligated to educate her there.
Among Hernandez’s supporters at the courthouse Monday was Karen Fox, an East High parent who has known Hernandez for seven years.
“I just want her to know that we’re here for her and we love her,” Fox said. “There’s just no way she did this. She can get mouthy at times, and probably make comments she shouldn’t make. But violent? Never, ever.”
While not familiar with the details of Hernandez’s case, Stephanie Woodward, director of advocacy for the Center for Disability Rights in Rochester, said there could be deep concerns related to Hernandez’s intellectual capacity and her civil rights.
“There’s always a concern that an individual understands their rights, particularly when they’re being interrogated,” said Woodward. “People with intellectual disbilities can be susceptible to confessions, to saying things that are not true, just to get it to stop.”
“That should be reviewed soon to determine whether her confession is valid, whether she has the ability to make those kinds of decisions and whether she needs additional supports”, she said. “It’s not too late at this point; any confession she may have given should be reviewed with scrutiny depending on the outcome of any cognitive testing.”
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They don’t need any confession from her. She is a citizen of another country who is in this country without a valid visa – they should just put her and every other illegal alien who comes into police custody on the next plane/bus to Monterrey and be done with it. She doesn’t have to commit any (more) crimes – she just has no legal right to be in this country. If you catch some stranger sunning himself by the pool in your backyard he doesn’t have to confess to any other crime – you still have the right to throw him out. Control of borders is basic to what a sovereign nation is just as control of trespassers is basic to property ownership. That we don’t do this (under a Trump Presidency no less) is a measure of how insane our system is and if we keep this up we won’t have a country any more. That something so basic is no longer taken for granted shows how totally lost we are.
Well said. Try doing this “Muh Human Rights” s**t in any other country and see how far it gets you. And if we can’t get this crap under control during the reign of DJT, we are screwed. He is our last chance.
A good eugenics program would have solved this problem.
More info on this incident:
Five questions raised by the Abigail Hernandez case
Only five? You can be sure there are a lot more than five excuses printed here.
According to the American Civil Liberties Union, an estimated 15 percent of individuals in immigration detention have a mental disability.
15%! Definitely not sending their best.
And in related news to this thread, Rochester and special education:
RCSD faces $65 million budget gap, largest since 2011-12
The Rochester City School District faces a budget gap of $65 million, the largest deficit since 2011-12, a result of increasing salary and benefit expenses and debt service.
Already in 2017-18, RCSD has added 213 full-time equivalent employees, including 93 teachers, 73 paraprofessionals and 24 administrators. The majority of them are in special education, including 10 coordinators who were hastily rehired after the adopted budget eliminated their positions.
Teachers will receive a pay increase of 3.6 percent in 2018-19 by the terms of their contract, while costs for other employees will go up by 3 percent.
Must be nice when those in the private sector are told to be happy with anything above 0% for years now.
There will be increasing costs associated with students arriving from Puerto Rico, many of whom need English language learner services; and the percentage of students with disabilities is projected to rise even further.
Not sending their best from here either.
Does anything think this model is sustainable?
It really does look like the back end of a pig, doesn’t it?
As a co-worker, one doesn’t value their efficiency all that much, as they are competition. On the other hand, I’ve been stabbed in the back more often by loudly religious people than any other. So it’s six of one and a half dozen of another.
Anyone without basic conversational abilities in English after four years' effort either is making no effort or is herself mentally deficient.
In 1 1/2 years of observing Hispanics and downscale Asians every day in a production facility, I’ve seen little difference between the spoken English of each group.
The less affluent foreigners condemn themselves to a cultural ghetto.
Why is a retarded woman of twenty-one years still in any sort of secondary school, even one catering to the mentally disabled?
Let me be clear: I used to work with the mentally disabled as a caretaker. My particular charge had mild mental retardation but kept a basic job as a file-clerk for the local university. He lived in his own flat and took a bus to work. I stopped by for an hour or two each weekday and longer on Saturdays to take him on errands because he couldn't drive (buying groceries, visiting friends, etc.); Helped make sure he was cooking and eating properly and cleaning his flat (he was capable of these things but would not do them unless cajoled to); and monitored his finances, paying his bills and such. He received a modest income augmented by governmental welfare. I'm actually not much bothered by taxes going to subsidise such a life for similarly unfortunate but otherwise worthy persons.
This woman should be in a programme to put her in a similar position, not to give her a phony participation-trophy of a high-school diploma at the age of thirty.
She should be in practical programmes to teach her (if possible) some basic skill to have an at least marginally productive job to promote responsibility and self-worth then placed in a situation with support such as I provided or, if necessary, a kind of group-home for such folks with greater needs. (Similar arrangements should of course be made with her family to care for her if viable, but in many such cases this becomes harder to realise once parents become aged or die, hence planning for a modicum of Independence is best when at all possible.)
Most importantly, she should be doing all if these things, of course, in Mexico. In fact, if her own parents cannot properly care for her, I know of at least one Mexican more than happy to proactively parent the children of others.
Indeed!
I’ve been involved with manufacturing concerns for my entire career. There’s always been some sort of piece work that has to be done for low costs, and I’ve always recommended using a local organization that helps these people live lives that are something close to normal.
https://triangle-inc.org/
This could be done humanely. Make it clear that these people will never be allowed to reenter the US, but give them some assistance in prison to help them get acquainted with their country of origin. This could be framed, justifiably, as a way to enable them to get a new start on life. Make it clear to them that the educational opportunities available in the prison system will in many cases not be available to them when they return "home", and punish malefactors harshly, while genuinely aiming to help those who are trying to give it a go.
Surgically plant a bomb in her head that detonates when her blood alcohol level exceeds 0.08%.
the shooter was not gasp a white man!…
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/02/cmu-shooting-victims-parents/389075002/
The Derb’s essay led me to this Razib column about how Asian kids with white parents do better than Asian kids with Asian parents (!):