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Following up the brouhaha in which white liberals got mad at Samuel L. Jackson for saying that the hit movie “Get Out” should have employed an African-American rather than an African-British leading man for distracting from the unity of the Hate YT mood, commenter Countenance notes:

Not black, Latin

To prove that black Americans are as interested in nationality as much as they are race, when black Americans complain about the lack of blacks in MLB, they are not mollified by the presence of black or mulatto Spanish language native Caribbeans or Latinos. They mean black Americans.

If Yasiel Puig’s distant ancestors were dropped off the slave ship in Virginia instead of Havana, he would be named Darnell Richardson, and be lauded as an example of blacks in MLB.

This raises an interesting question of how big a role does language play in racial solidarity. African-Americans don’t see Spanish-speaking Yasiel Puig as one of them, at least when complaining about how white people should do more for Diversity in MLB.

On the other hand, Daniel Kaluuya can do a pretty persuasive imitation of an African-American accent. It apparently sounds bogus to an expert ear like Samuel L. Jackson’s. But to the average nice white American liberal, it seems fine and they don’t know what Jackson is complaining about.

 
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  1. A bit more complicated than that. What was the mother tongue of Barack Obama Sr.? Apparently you can still be considered African-American if you’re even part-Black if you were born in the USA.

    How patriotic is that?

    Although Blacks from Canada can pass as American Blacks (eg Drake, Vanity)

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    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Drake: black Catholic musician dad from Memphis, mom is Jewish.
    After their divorce, which is probably a microcosm of the Black-Jewish alliance of the Civil Rights movement, he stayed with his mom in Canada and had a Bar Mitzvah... then he got into (((show business)))
    Eminem' 8 Mile kind of hints at the Hi Yella black exploitation of urban poor black troubles in the rap scene
    , @countenance
    Barack Obama earned his "black American" stripes when he married a black American woman.
    , @pyrrhus
    Obama was born in the USA?
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  2. This raises an interesting question of how big a role does language play in racial solidarity. African-Americans don’t see Spanish-speaking Yasiel Puig as one of them, at least when complaining about how white people should do more for Diversity in MLB.

    On the other hand, Daniel Kaluuya can do a pretty persuasive imitation of an African-American accent. It apparently sounds bogus to an expert ear like Samuel L. Jackson’s. But to the average nice white American liberal, it seems fine and they don’t know what Jackson is complaining about.

    Or it’s just genuine ethnopatriotism; Jackson doesn’t want the job to go to someone who can seem African-American, he wants it to go to someone who is African-American.

    But you probably have a point; it’s plausible that Jackson might not’ve complained about a Jamaican Black in the role.

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    • Replies: @Clyde

    Or it’s just genuine ethnopatriotism; Jackson doesn’t want the job to go to someone who can seem African-American, he wants it to go to someone who is African-American.
     
    Samuel Jackson is expressing the gripes of younger black American actors who really need these jobs, really need the money and recognition that is going to Afro-Brit actors. SJackson gets around and has heard how angry American Black actors are.
    Could it be that Obama voting white lib directors are actually closet racists who prefer the black Brits because they have the reputation of being easier to work with? At least in the director's mind? The producer's mind? The casting director's mind? Who knows.

    I know I would be pissed if my job was outsourced to some Brit by way of Uganda.

  3. “But to the average nice white American liberal, it seems fine and they don’t know what Jackson is complaining about.”

    “Membership” has its privileges though not the white kind.

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  4. My guess, Yasiel Puig denies that he is black and would be insulted, as would many Dominicans on his and their own behalf, if he were referred to as black.

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    What's for sure, they wouldn't want to be mistaken for one of those Haitians from the other half of the island of Hispaniola.
    , @CJ
    Dominicans would likely feel insulted, yes, but Yasiel Puig is from Cuba.
    , @Wally
    The same as Latin American Indians who claim to be of 'Spanish' blood.
  5. Although Blacks from Canada can pass as American Blacks (eg Drake, Vanity)

    Well that’s the American way, old Sport; I mean, heck, Derb and Reed pass themselves off as White Nationalists…

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    • Troll: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @bored identity
    Derb, Reed.

    They don't pass themselves as anything necessary.

    Having an Opinion;
    will lead to Labeling,
    will end with Ostracism.

    M. Malkin was very often called White Nationalist, as well.

    Btw, your Sir Black Drake is really just really poor man's Lenny Kravitz 21. Century Sub - nudge,nudge, you know whatahmean.


    Leave Vanity alone, bastard!
    , @Neil Templeton
    The logic isn't tight, but I'm glad to hear your voice, Truth.
    , @Jesse
    "...I mean, heck, Derb and Reed pass themselves off as White Nationalists…"

    Not a bad point. We might have found the mythical job that Americans just won't do. Americans, especially but not only the white ones, seem to want to forget about race and focus on ethnicity and/or nationality.

    It would be one of the most effective arguments against immigration to point out that that is a luxury only afforded by a series of historical arguments, and de facto open borders will mean that, at some point, Americans will have to make alliances with people they find repugnant just because they share a vaguely similar skin color.
    , @Hibernian
    They're white themselves, although spouses and children aren't. Fred has recently posted an article about his Virginia Cavalier background.
    , @John Derbyshire
    Where have I "passed myself off" as a white nationalist? Link, please.
  6. This raises an interesting question of how big a role does language play in racial solidarity.

    None at all, from my anecdotal observations ANY African football team playing a non African team will be supported by Africans regardless what the official language of the African country is. I predict this will occur in any sport, a black team/individual will ALWAYS be supported over a non black one, regardless of language or religion.

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    I think everyone, not just blacks, has a sort of sliding scale. In a contest between continental races, one supports the race closest to his own. Within race, but between nationalities, one supports the nationality closest to his own. Within nationalities, the region (or maybe culture or tribe) closest to his own, etc.

    So in a contest for an acting role between an African-African and an African-American, Samuel Jackson naturally supports the African-American.

    At the fine end of the scale, you have the Narcissism of Small Differences. At the gross end of the scale you have the global race contest.
  7. This raises an interesting question of how big a role does language play in racial solidarity.

    The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis suggests it plays a big role. Imagine being defined by a word.

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  8. This reminds me of something from several years ago when South Sudan became independent. Media reports often cast it in racial terms, with the blacks in South Sudan splitting from the Arabs in the Khartoum government. While the South Sudanese indeed are very dark, the darkest people in the world with the possible exception of the Melanesians on Bougainville Island, most everyone in the rest of the Sudan also is black by any reasonable standards of the term.

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    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    When you're separated by language, religion, and a host of other cultural practices, you're a different people. Look at the Central African Republic- the religious war there is between two groups who otherwise are more similar genetically, linguistically, and culturally than the Dinka in South Sudan and the Arabs, but it's enough of a difference to where the Muslims are being wiped off the map.
  9. Torri Hunter, a black center-fielder for the Twins, got into big trouble for saying that black players were being replaced by “impostors” from Latin America. I remember Hispanic sportswriters getting mad at Torri Hunter (I guess he was supposed to blame white racism for the decline in African-American players).

    http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=4983236

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    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    Beat me to it. Steve never uses this as an example though because he's probably a Dodgers supremacist.
    , @Brutusale
    Gary Sheffield beat Hunter to the punch by three years.

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=2891875
  10. African-Americans are a distinct racial and cultural unit, bred and shaped first by slavery (and a resulting small but significant admixture of White blood), then by a hasty and ill-planned liberation, then by a century and a half of White liberal mollycoddling and finally, within the last two or three generations, by welfare, effusive praise, and permissiveness. The process has produced soft, spoiled, quarrelsome, unmotivated, thuggish, unemployable sloths who must either be bought off with favors, imprisoned, or left to run wild while decent people pretend not to notice, and move away while continuing to soliloquy upon “racism.”

    We’ve spent trillions of dollars trying to make American citizens out of our African cohort and what have we got for our efforts? Shaun King and Colin Kaepernick. It’s time to pronounce the effort a failure. The only workable solution is separation.

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    • Agree: Autochthon, Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    They're not all like that.

    Said millions of White boobs in the decades preceding the financial, cultural and racial implosion of the American Empire.

    Carry on regardless all the way to the densest core of the implosion.
  11. Steve, you’re remind of my wife who’s constantly complaining about our somewhat intellectually-challenged neighbor.

    You’re basically saying that immature 14-year-olds are acting like immature 14-year-olds.

    It reminds me yet again that this is why we have separate countries. Japan doesn’t care why Samual L. Jackson has an issue with some Ugandan who lives in Britain.

    God, I love being a white nationalist. Sure, the odds are incredibly high that we’ll fail, but at least we don’t have to take the silliness seriously.

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    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Your handle here has become one of my favorite lines to use on normiebook
    And when I post POZ stuff there using the line "we are citizens of a silly country" I'll inevitably get a DM asking "do you read Sailer?"
    ;-)
  12. When I clicked to enlarge Puig’s pic I said to myself “I would have guessed he’s Dominican or Black PR or Black Cuban.” I think there’s a facial difference. You’re on the West Coast, Steve, so I don’t know now much of a feel you have for this.

    And it’s easy to see why this would be. The white component is different, the Amerindian component is different and probably larger, even the black component could be a bit different. Spanish Caribbean blacks’ attitude is much better, but that’s probably cultural-political, not genetic.

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  13. The Afro-British actress who played the crackhead mother in Moonlight was on Charlie Rose recently she speaks like Cersei Lannister.

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  14. On the other hand, Daniel Kaluuya can do a pretty persuasive imitation of an African-American accent. It apparently sounds bogus to an expert ear like Samuel L. Jackson’s. But to the average nice white American liberal, it seems fine and they don’t know what Jackson is complaining about.

    Barak Hussein Obama with his Kenyan father and an elite education from Hawaii’s Punahou School, had a difficult time doing an imitation of a Chicago Black American with slave blood. He got defeated in his run (2000) at the US House of Representatives by ex-Black Panther Bobby Rush who out blacked him. Success came to Obama when he gained Black American street credibility by marrying a real one and by joining Rev Wright’s racist church. All well and good but it was wealthy white lib donors who got him elected to the Senate.

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  15. Glossy, your observation reminded me of a description by Ian Fleming in Dr. No, when he reintroduces James Bond’s Caribbean islander sidekick, Quarrel:

    “Bond took the warm dry calloused paw and looked into the dark grey eyes that showed descent from a Cromwellian soldier or a pirate of Morgan’s time.”

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  16. @Truth



    Although Blacks from Canada can pass as American Blacks (eg Drake, Vanity)
     
    Well that's the American way, old Sport; I mean, heck, Derb and Reed pass themselves off as White Nationalists...

    Derb, Reed.

    They don’t pass themselves as anything necessary.

    Having an Opinion;
    will lead to Labeling,
    will end with Ostracism.

    M. Malkin was very often called White Nationalist, as well.

    Btw, your Sir Black Drake is really just really poor man’s Lenny Kravitz 21. Century Sub – nudge,nudge, you know whatahmean.

    Leave Vanity alone, bastard!

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  17. @JohnnyD
    Torri Hunter, a black center-fielder for the Twins, got into big trouble for saying that black players were being replaced by "impostors" from Latin America. I remember Hispanic sportswriters getting mad at Torri Hunter (I guess he was supposed to blame white racism for the decline in African-American players).
    http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=4983236

    Beat me to it. Steve never uses this as an example though because he’s probably a Dodgers supremacist.

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    • Replies: @passive-aggressivist
    torii hunter made those comments as the los angeles angels center fielder though. i suspect the "controversy" had a lot do with him possibly insulting much of the local population, even if they tend not to be angels fans.
  18. @prosa123
    This reminds me of something from several years ago when South Sudan became independent. Media reports often cast it in racial terms, with the blacks in South Sudan splitting from the Arabs in the Khartoum government. While the South Sudanese indeed are very dark, the darkest people in the world with the possible exception of the Melanesians on Bougainville Island, most everyone in the rest of the Sudan also is black by any reasonable standards of the term.

    When you’re separated by language, religion, and a host of other cultural practices, you’re a different people. Look at the Central African Republic- the religious war there is between two groups who otherwise are more similar genetically, linguistically, and culturally than the Dinka in South Sudan and the Arabs, but it’s enough of a difference to where the Muslims are being wiped off the map.

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    • Replies: @prosa123
    Exactly! The split between Sudan and South Sudan was basically Muslims vs. Christians and Arabic speakers vs. English/tribal language speakers, so casting it in those terms would have made far more sense than making it seem like a racial Arabs vs. blacks conflict.
    , @Daniel H
    >> Look at the Central African Republic-

    Oh boy, have they come down in status. I can recall when that country was referred to as the Central African Empire.
  19. Privileged white liberal elites are the bossy arbiters of diversity and minority identity. The actual minorities involved don’t actually get to choose the boundaries of their identities, or even if they try, must be willing to submit to being overruled. Hence, Samuel L. Jackson’s chastisement by those who know best.

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  20. @Svigor

    This raises an interesting question of how big a role does language play in racial solidarity. African-Americans don’t see Spanish-speaking Yasiel Puig as one of them, at least when complaining about how white people should do more for Diversity in MLB.

    On the other hand, Daniel Kaluuya can do a pretty persuasive imitation of an African-American accent. It apparently sounds bogus to an expert ear like Samuel L. Jackson’s. But to the average nice white American liberal, it seems fine and they don’t know what Jackson is complaining about.
     
    Or it's just genuine ethnopatriotism; Jackson doesn't want the job to go to someone who can seem African-American, he wants it to go to someone who is African-American.

    But you probably have a point; it's plausible that Jackson might not've complained about a Jamaican Black in the role.

    Or it’s just genuine ethnopatriotism; Jackson doesn’t want the job to go to someone who can seem African-American, he wants it to go to someone who is African-American.

    Samuel Jackson is expressing the gripes of younger black American actors who really need these jobs, really need the money and recognition that is going to Afro-Brit actors. SJackson gets around and has heard how angry American Black actors are.
    Could it be that Obama voting white lib directors are actually closet racists who prefer the black Brits because they have the reputation of being easier to work with? At least in the director’s mind? The producer’s mind? The casting director’s mind? Who knows.

    I know I would be pissed if my job was outsourced to some Brit by way of Uganda.

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  21. @Truth



    Although Blacks from Canada can pass as American Blacks (eg Drake, Vanity)
     
    Well that's the American way, old Sport; I mean, heck, Derb and Reed pass themselves off as White Nationalists...

    The logic isn’t tight, but I’m glad to hear your voice, Truth.

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  22. @neutral

    This raises an interesting question of how big a role does language play in racial solidarity.
     
    None at all, from my anecdotal observations ANY African football team playing a non African team will be supported by Africans regardless what the official language of the African country is. I predict this will occur in any sport, a black team/individual will ALWAYS be supported over a non black one, regardless of language or religion.

    I think everyone, not just blacks, has a sort of sliding scale. In a contest between continental races, one supports the race closest to his own. Within race, but between nationalities, one supports the nationality closest to his own. Within nationalities, the region (or maybe culture or tribe) closest to his own, etc.

    So in a contest for an acting role between an African-African and an African-American, Samuel Jackson naturally supports the African-American.

    At the fine end of the scale, you have the Narcissism of Small Differences. At the gross end of the scale you have the global race contest.

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    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    "I think everyone, not just blacks, has a sort of sliding scale. In a contest between continental races, one supports the race closest to his own"
    In in contest between Subsaharan Africans and Non Subsaharan Africans most whites probably would support Subsaharan Africans today.
    For example while watching international soccer games I have heard many times how people say that they of course support the African team.
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    • Replies: @donut
    Sorry I'm still having trouble figuring out this LOL , agree thing . You can imagine what a mystery life must be to me .
    , @donut
    I didn't mean to post that either , shit , diddly dad burn it . This is what I wanted to post :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw9zyxm860Q
  24. @donut
    do we know about this :

    http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/25240.html

    Sorry I’m still having trouble figuring out this LOL , agree thing . You can imagine what a mystery life must be to me .

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  25. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    OT: Mel Gibson Has Been Quietly Working to Help Holocaust Survivors

    http://people.com/celebrity/mel-gibson-has-been-quietly-working-to-help-holocaust-survivors/

    Bwahahahaha.

    Man this nut/genius Gibson craves approval. He went crawling back to Hollywood even though he had enough $$$ to start his own studio in Asia/Australia or anywhere.

    In the end all that matters to these stars is the stardom. Once they get it they can’t live without it. Even Brando came back.

    Gibson shoulda woulda coulda spent the last decade making politically incorrect truth bomb films out of his own operation but noooooooooo he needs tinseltown to fill his empty soul. Yuck. Ack.

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  26. @donut
    do we know about this :

    http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/25240.html

    I didn’t mean to post that either , shit , diddly dad burn it . This is what I wanted to post :

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  27. It’s time to post this again :

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Thanks for sharing; very funny, astute stuff from Burr there.
  28. While all you children of the 60′s celebrate that Negro Felon ; I prefer a White man with a misdemeanor record :

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    I think the protagonist of the song might have rated a felony charge for his antics.
    , @William Badwhite
    Bill Kirchen (lead guitar) was very very good. He was an influence on Dave Alvin of the Blaster's among others. I had a couple beers with him circa 1995 in Virginia after a show he played to maybe 100 people. Nice guy with a ton of great stories.
  29. @Truth



    Although Blacks from Canada can pass as American Blacks (eg Drake, Vanity)
     
    Well that's the American way, old Sport; I mean, heck, Derb and Reed pass themselves off as White Nationalists...

    “…I mean, heck, Derb and Reed pass themselves off as White Nationalists…”

    Not a bad point. We might have found the mythical job that Americans just won’t do. Americans, especially but not only the white ones, seem to want to forget about race and focus on ethnicity and/or nationality.

    It would be one of the most effective arguments against immigration to point out that that is a luxury only afforded by a series of historical arguments, and de facto open borders will mean that, at some point, Americans will have to make alliances with people they find repugnant just because they share a vaguely similar skin color.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Mr. Derbyshire, married to a Chinese woman, is not a white nationalist by any stretch of the term; he explicitly explained, in great detail, on his radio show anout a month ago that he is not.

    Reed is married to a mestizoid woman and lives in Mexico, which he praises as superiour to the U.S.A. every five minutes.

    What alternate reality must anyone live on to call either a white nationalist?
  30. @Daniel H
    My guess, Yasiel Puig denies that he is black and would be insulted, as would many Dominicans on his and their own behalf, if he were referred to as black.

    What’s for sure, they wouldn’t want to be mistaken for one of those Haitians from the other half of the island of Hispaniola.

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  31. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E9ydw_aDMg

    I don’t drink alone I drink with all my friends at The Unz Review . 1:37 that’s my worst dream . God forbid that the current should be cut off .

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  32. Frankly Jackson seems little more ot me than just about all of Hollywood, anything to get into the press, whining works. There is a documentary running around on Asprey in London. Well worth a look, just to see Jackson and his swanning and peacocking. A well known customer and *extremely* proud of it. Right up there with TS Eliot, so impressed to be waited upon and schmoozed by the Brits (who are themselves a motley crew these days…). The doc seems to indicate either sales were running a bit off or they wanted to expand to monied sorts who might not have heard of Asprey.

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  33. Derb and Reed pass themselves off as White Nationalists…

    Reed who? Surely you don’t mean Fred Reed. You’ve got to be high as a kite to think Fred Reed is a White Nationalist, or passes himself off as one, or doesn’t hate WNs’ guts. Gotta be some other Reed you’re talking about, right?

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    • Agree: Kyle McKenna
    • Replies: @Truth
    He does consider himself a white nationalist, he just things Hispanics are white.
  34. @Daniel H
    My guess, Yasiel Puig denies that he is black and would be insulted, as would many Dominicans on his and their own behalf, if he were referred to as black.

    Dominicans would likely feel insulted, yes, but Yasiel Puig is from Cuba.

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    • Replies: @Daniel H
    >>Dominicans would likely feel insulted, yes, but Yasiel Puig is from Cuba.

    Shows how much attention I pay to sports.
  35. OT–Merkel is biting the nails of her right hand till they bleed, either she’s unwilling or unable by now to hide it from the public:

    http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20170308&t=2&i=1175351141&w=780&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=LYNXMPED270C9

    From this page from Mar 8 2017: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-election-idUSKBN16F0IO

    As Trump is germophobic that certainly doesn’t help.

    =============================

    here she looks like dying (colour contrast added): https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17361505_10155107989949738_3196002993264145780_n.jpg?oh=c0b146f4f25cbc21165f060c6c261a44&oe=59716534

    low res from Jan 2017: https://twitter.com/Rivanov5/status/825654841242423298

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    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    https://twitter.com/t2gunner/status/793427714111705093

    Angela Merkel may occasionally bite the tips of her own fingers while she's eating herring, it doesn't make her a bad person.

    Angela Merkel's demographic destruction of Germany, on the other hand, makes her an evil bastard. Merkel has flooded Germany with foreign men between the ages of 18 and 50. This is going to cause a civil war. The only thing holding Germany and the European Union together is money printing from the European Central Bank. Hopefully, Marine Le Pen will kill the EU and the ECB at the same time.

    The same demographic destruction is occurring in the United States. Mass immigration will bring about Civil War II. The only thing holding the American Empire together is money printing from the Federal Reserve Bank. There is no "normalization" of monetary policy after almost a decade of zero interest rates.
  36. John Derbyshire (among others) noted at least once how extraordinarily solipsistic American blacks are. You can add to that the fact that when immigrant blacks do well, better than native ones, as they often do in many fields (consider how many West Indian and African overseas students one is likely to find in American universities), it’s an unspoken, implicit, but nonetheless definite diss to American blacks. It also means giving over to foreigners what they might regard, maybe with some justification, as the just desserts of both Americanness as well as historical oppression.

    Ironically, this overlaps somewhat with the general perspective of American immigration restrictionists that the benefits of being American ought to accrue first to actual Americans.

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    • Replies: @theo the kraut
    > You can add to that the fact that when immigrant blacks do well,
    > better than native ones, as they often do in many fields

    On average US blacks are healthier, larger, smarter, and economically better off than blacks in Africa, so recent African immigrants doing better should be an selective artifact.
  37. @Thomas
    John Derbyshire (among others) noted at least once how extraordinarily solipsistic American blacks are. You can add to that the fact that when immigrant blacks do well, better than native ones, as they often do in many fields (consider how many West Indian and African overseas students one is likely to find in American universities), it's an unspoken, implicit, but nonetheless definite diss to American blacks. It also means giving over to foreigners what they might regard, maybe with some justification, as the just desserts of both Americanness as well as historical oppression.

    Ironically, this overlaps somewhat with the general perspective of American immigration restrictionists that the benefits of being American ought to accrue first to actual Americans.

    > You can add to that the fact that when immigrant blacks do well,
    > better than native ones, as they often do in many fields

    On average US blacks are healthier, larger, smarter, and economically better off than blacks in Africa, so recent African immigrants doing better should be an selective artifact.

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    • Replies: @Thomas

    On average US blacks are healthier, larger, smarter, and economically better off than blacks in Africa, so recent African immigrants doing better should be an selective artifact.
     
    That's generally true of many recent immigrants, at least ones who are tapped for places in universities or athletics, in some respect. Doesn't change the fact that American blacks may feel possessive and parochial.

    The "one-drop" rule that would sweep up the broadest possible swath of people into an expansive definition of "black" in America (for example, like the Hawaii-raised, half-white son of a Kenyan overseas academic who was studying in America fifty years ago) may have been in some respects politically and culturally convenient up to now. I wouldn't be surprised however if Steve has hit upon the earliest iterations of a possible near-future trend, in which the more thoughtful American blacks who can trace their roots at least a few generations in America back (if not to the days of Jim Crow or slavery) start getting possessive about the spoils, cultural and literal, of being able to identify as an entitled minority group. The incentives are certainly there, and something similar has happened in a lot of places with "disenrollment" of members of Indian tribes over the years when casino money started to come up for grabs.
  38. Only slightly OT…

    People are canceling their Iowa vacations because of Steve King’s words

    According to USA Today, that world-famous vacation paradise known as Iowa is suffering mightily due to a bad case of Nazis Under the Bed.

    It’s 29°F in Dubuque right now. Gotta admire those ‘Social Grievance Warriors’ for the sacrifices they make, huh.

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  39. @Almost Missouri
    I think everyone, not just blacks, has a sort of sliding scale. In a contest between continental races, one supports the race closest to his own. Within race, but between nationalities, one supports the nationality closest to his own. Within nationalities, the region (or maybe culture or tribe) closest to his own, etc.

    So in a contest for an acting role between an African-African and an African-American, Samuel Jackson naturally supports the African-American.

    At the fine end of the scale, you have the Narcissism of Small Differences. At the gross end of the scale you have the global race contest.

    “I think everyone, not just blacks, has a sort of sliding scale. In a contest between continental races, one supports the race closest to his own”
    In in contest between Subsaharan Africans and Non Subsaharan Africans most whites probably would support Subsaharan Africans today.
    For example while watching international soccer games I have heard many times how people say that they of course support the African team.

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    Yes, but to be fair this isn't due to any real sympathy for the Africans. It's usually because the Africans are playing your rivals and/or 'you' think the Africans dancing and showing off is funny.
  40. @anony-mouse
    A bit more complicated than that. What was the mother tongue of Barack Obama Sr.? Apparently you can still be considered African-American if you're even part-Black if you were born in the USA.

    How patriotic is that?

    Although Blacks from Canada can pass as American Blacks (eg Drake, Vanity)

    Drake: black Catholic musician dad from Memphis, mom is Jewish.
    After their divorce, which is probably a microcosm of the Black-Jewish alliance of the Civil Rights movement, he stayed with his mom in Canada and had a Bar Mitzvah… then he got into (((show business)))
    Eminem’ 8 Mile kind of hints at the Hi Yella black exploitation of urban poor black troubles in the rap scene

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  41. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Steve, you're remind of my wife who's constantly complaining about our somewhat intellectually-challenged neighbor.

    You're basically saying that immature 14-year-olds are acting like immature 14-year-olds.

    It reminds me yet again that this is why we have separate countries. Japan doesn't care why Samual L. Jackson has an issue with some Ugandan who lives in Britain.

    God, I love being a white nationalist. Sure, the odds are incredibly high that we'll fail, but at least we don't have to take the silliness seriously.

    Your handle here has become one of my favorite lines to use on normiebook
    And when I post POZ stuff there using the line “we are citizens of a silly country” I’ll inevitably get a DM asking “do you read Sailer?”
    ;-)

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  42. I don’t know if you have been following the World Baseball Classic Mr.Sailer but, the United States just beat the Dominican Republic 6-3 with the game turning around on a truly monstrous (117.4 mph) moonshot by Giancarlo Stanton; a frozen rope double by Andrew McCutchen; and a superman-catch by center-fielder Adam Jones.

    The American team has several players of African American descent who have really stood out this tournament. Along with those named above, Marcus Stroman, Chris Archer and Mychal Givens have pitched great. The only gentleman who’s had a rough time has been Josh Harrison, and I believe that due more to a lack of playing time than anything else.

    As far as I can tell, Team US shakes out racially to be 22% black, 7% hispanic (two players of Cuban descent- light skinned cubans), and 71% various white guys.

    Please keep in mind there were several players on others teams (like Italy, Israel, the Dominican Republic et al.) who could’ve qualified for Team US- Manny Machado and Dellin Betances come to mind, as both were born here in the states as far as I’m aware. It would’ve raised the Hispanic count.

    Now, according to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports, Team USA has a nagging, problematic diversity issue because those Hispanic players are not on the American team and so the team as a whole does not reflect American demographics [no mention of a lack of Asians, if anyone is asking] and is therefore incomplete. But it can be overlooked this time because 7 players are African-American and it’s been a long time since blacks made up such a high percentage of a baseball team. And they are playing for diversity. That’s what they are playing for – that and baseball’s international reach, so I guess globalism. Team Puerto Rico, Team Japan, Team Dominican Republic are playing for their country; Team America for the world.

    Maybe it can be best summed up by pitcher Chris Archer*:

    “Given the timing and circumstances of our country, I think it’s a great opportunity for us temporarily to show that we are united, regardless of the turmoil and things going on here and other places in the world,” Archer said. “It’s always been a dream. What’s going on in the country right now makes it even better.”

    Asked later to expound, Archer added, “It is a beautiful country of diversity and freedom and a lot of other things that other countries don’t have. For this moment in time, for this next two weeks, we’re going to put on this jersey with pride and show, we’re diverse, we’re united and what USA is really all about.”

    here’s the article: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/team-usa-america-world-baseball-classic-wbc-leyland-bregman-archer-jones-ken-rosenthal-030717

    (*I don’t mean to single out Mr.Archer, who by all accounts seems to be a nice enough fellow from a military-family background; has not made a public nuisance of himself; and genuinely wants to play for Team USA to represent his country.)

    Diversity is our strength, even on the baseball diamond.

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    My son says Giancarlo Stanton is a very nice guy.
    , @anon
    It's essential that the American entry into the baseball classic not win. Why?

    Because it is owned by Major League Baseball. And the Major League Baseball Players Association.

    https://www.amazon.com/American-Game-Capitalism-Decolonization-Domination/dp/0976147556

    This is an interesting leftist critique of it.

    However, what Kelly sees as the Neo colonialism lite, I see as why and how America should rule the world. Everyone in non US baseball knows what's going on, but are happy to see the US run it. To be more precise, a lot of countries would like to own and run it, but there is not a chance that Latin America would let the Japanese run it. For example.

    If the US got competitive about it, it would send the wrong message. We don't have to win this, because we have the World Series, MLB, etc. And since the rest of the World can play on US teams and make very serious money, it's all good.

    Team USA? We have the Cubs. And Yankees.

    The point of the 'lite' version is that there is no need to coerce anyone to sign on. Its just the way it is. If someone wants to compete, then go ahead. But also, good luck.

    Fighting for it openly is a sign of weakness. My opinion of our idiotic military
    over reach.

    , @Triumph104
    Giancarlo Stanton's father is white. His maternal great-grandmother was Puerto Rican. Stanton was ruled ineligible to play for Puerto Rico because the ancestry wasn't considered strong enough.

    Marcus Stroman's mother is Afro-Puerto Rican. He was going to play for Puerto Rico before being invited to play for the US. LINK

    Chris Archer's bio-mother is white. He was adopted by his maternal grandmother and her husband (both white). They have no Air Force connection, although Archer's adoptive father is a Navy brat. LINK Archer appeared in a public service announcement with a teen who was subsequently adopted by a retired Air Force couple.

    Mychal Givens was raised by his great-grandparents who were both born on the island of Puerto Rico.
  43. @justwonderingaboutbaseball
    I don't know if you have been following the World Baseball Classic Mr.Sailer but, the United States just beat the Dominican Republic 6-3 with the game turning around on a truly monstrous (117.4 mph) moonshot by Giancarlo Stanton; a frozen rope double by Andrew McCutchen; and a superman-catch by center-fielder Adam Jones.

    The American team has several players of African American descent who have really stood out this tournament. Along with those named above, Marcus Stroman, Chris Archer and Mychal Givens have pitched great. The only gentleman who's had a rough time has been Josh Harrison, and I believe that due more to a lack of playing time than anything else.

    As far as I can tell, Team US shakes out racially to be 22% black, 7% hispanic (two players of Cuban descent- light skinned cubans), and 71% various white guys.

    Please keep in mind there were several players on others teams (like Italy, Israel, the Dominican Republic et al.) who could've qualified for Team US- Manny Machado and Dellin Betances come to mind, as both were born here in the states as far as I'm aware. It would've raised the Hispanic count.

    Now, according to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports, Team USA has a nagging, problematic diversity issue because those Hispanic players are not on the American team and so the team as a whole does not reflect American demographics [no mention of a lack of Asians, if anyone is asking] and is therefore incomplete. But it can be overlooked this time because 7 players are African-American and it's been a long time since blacks made up such a high percentage of a baseball team. And they are playing for diversity. That's what they are playing for - that and baseball's international reach, so I guess globalism. Team Puerto Rico, Team Japan, Team Dominican Republic are playing for their country; Team America for the world.

    Maybe it can be best summed up by pitcher Chris Archer*:


    “Given the timing and circumstances of our country, I think it’s a great opportunity for us temporarily to show that we are united, regardless of the turmoil and things going on here and other places in the world,” Archer said. “It’s always been a dream. What’s going on in the country right now makes it even better.”

    Asked later to expound, Archer added, “It is a beautiful country of diversity and freedom and a lot of other things that other countries don’t have. For this moment in time, for this next two weeks, we’re going to put on this jersey with pride and show, we’re diverse, we’re united and what USA is really all about.”
     

    here's the article: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/team-usa-america-world-baseball-classic-wbc-leyland-bregman-archer-jones-ken-rosenthal-030717

    (*I don't mean to single out Mr.Archer, who by all accounts seems to be a nice enough fellow from a military-family background; has not made a public nuisance of himself; and genuinely wants to play for Team USA to represent his country.)

    Diversity is our strength, even on the baseball diamond.

    My son says Giancarlo Stanton is a very nice guy.

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  44. @theo the kraut
    > You can add to that the fact that when immigrant blacks do well,
    > better than native ones, as they often do in many fields

    On average US blacks are healthier, larger, smarter, and economically better off than blacks in Africa, so recent African immigrants doing better should be an selective artifact.

    On average US blacks are healthier, larger, smarter, and economically better off than blacks in Africa, so recent African immigrants doing better should be an selective artifact.

    That’s generally true of many recent immigrants, at least ones who are tapped for places in universities or athletics, in some respect. Doesn’t change the fact that American blacks may feel possessive and parochial.

    The “one-drop” rule that would sweep up the broadest possible swath of people into an expansive definition of “black” in America (for example, like the Hawaii-raised, half-white son of a Kenyan overseas academic who was studying in America fifty years ago) may have been in some respects politically and culturally convenient up to now. I wouldn’t be surprised however if Steve has hit upon the earliest iterations of a possible near-future trend, in which the more thoughtful American blacks who can trace their roots at least a few generations in America back (if not to the days of Jim Crow or slavery) start getting possessive about the spoils, cultural and literal, of being able to identify as an entitled minority group. The incentives are certainly there, and something similar has happened in a lot of places with “disenrollment” of members of Indian tribes over the years when casino money started to come up for grabs.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Obama delayed an African-American vs. African-Other spat that was emerging in 2004 when Henry Louis Gates pointed out that most Harvard affirmative action spots for blacks were going to people who didn't have two African-American parents.

    But Obama was such a classic example of Gates' point that after Obama emerged at the 2004 DNC, Gates had to shut up about it.
  45. @Erik Sieven
    "I think everyone, not just blacks, has a sort of sliding scale. In a contest between continental races, one supports the race closest to his own"
    In in contest between Subsaharan Africans and Non Subsaharan Africans most whites probably would support Subsaharan Africans today.
    For example while watching international soccer games I have heard many times how people say that they of course support the African team.

    Yes, but to be fair this isn’t due to any real sympathy for the Africans. It’s usually because the Africans are playing your rivals and/or ‘you’ think the Africans dancing and showing off is funny.

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  46. I am personally convinced the two big necessary (though not always sufficient) attributes for a common racial/ethnic identity and consciousness are:
    1) Shared race (genetic proximity, people from same sub-continent usually close enough).
    2) Shared language.

    If people don’t have the same language or come from different continents, then they don’t assimilate or consolidate into a single identity. e.g. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and the failure everywhere to assimilate Afro-Muslim immigrants. Seems very consistent.

    Then there’s always little-known Switzerland – I don’t know what how much common identification there is between language groups there – but exceptions don’t break rules, etc!

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I wrote about Switzerland in "Multilingualism and Democracy: the Swiss Exception" way back in 2000 in VDare:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/081400-multilingualism-and-democracy-the-swiss-exception

    , @anon
    The Swiss are very united about being a neutral country. And hence, not forced to pick a side.

    They aren't in the UN. Whoops. I take that back:

    Switzerland finally joined the United Nations in 2002. The country took a long time to warm to the idea, with three-quarters of voters rejecting membership in 1986. This reluctance despite the fact that the European headquarters of the UN is located in Geneva, along with a host of UN special agencies.May 25, 2007

     

    And the BIS, Bank of International Settlement. The perfect location. And they are landlocked, without a lot of natural resources. So they specialize in International Finance, Banking, and Insurance. And drugs. The Swiss franc is what the German Mark would have turned into if they hadn't ditched it for the Euro. The German people weren't going to devalue the Mark, so let the Greeks trash the Euro. As long as it holds together, Germany will be an export powerhouse.
    , @Triumph104
    In the early days of Singapore, the Chinese wanted Chinese to be the official language, never mind that up to 13 dialects were being spoken at the time. Lee Kuan Yew insisted that English become the working language in order for Singapore to become globally competitive and to avoid ethnic tensions.

    One of the things we did which we knew would call for a big price was to switch from our own languages into English. We had Chinese, Malay, Indian schools — separate language medium schools. The British ran a small English school sector to produce clerks, storekeepers, teachers for the British. Had we chosen Chinese, which was our majority language, we would have perished, economically and politically.

    Riots — we've seen Sri Lanka, when they switched from English to Sinhala and disenfranchised the Tamils and so strife ever after. We chose — we didn't say it was our national language — we said it was our working language, that everybody learns English whatever language medium school you go to. Which means nobody needs interpretation to read English.

    So, our sources of culture, literature, ideas are now more from the English text than from the Chinese or the Malay or the Tamil.

    http://www.sundaytimes.lk/070902/International/i516.html
     

    In 1979, after seeing that the ethnic Chinese children in Singapore weren't becoming proficient in Mandarin because they spoke dialects at home, Lee started the Speak Mandarin Campaign which promoted Mandarin not just in school but at home and discouraged the speaking of dialects.

    In 1980, 10.2% of Singapore's Chinese spoke Mandarin at home, by 2010 47% did. In that same time period English at home went from 11.6% to 33% and Chinese dialects went from 81.4% to 19.2%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speak_Mandarin_Campaign

    , @Flip
    I've noticed that the French, German, and Italian Swiss tend to communicate with each other a lot in English these days, although sometimes in French, and usually not in German. The French Swiss learn High German which the German Swiss don't like to speak so they use English or French. Some of the university classes at the graduate level are in English rather than a national language.
  47. @Thomas

    On average US blacks are healthier, larger, smarter, and economically better off than blacks in Africa, so recent African immigrants doing better should be an selective artifact.
     
    That's generally true of many recent immigrants, at least ones who are tapped for places in universities or athletics, in some respect. Doesn't change the fact that American blacks may feel possessive and parochial.

    The "one-drop" rule that would sweep up the broadest possible swath of people into an expansive definition of "black" in America (for example, like the Hawaii-raised, half-white son of a Kenyan overseas academic who was studying in America fifty years ago) may have been in some respects politically and culturally convenient up to now. I wouldn't be surprised however if Steve has hit upon the earliest iterations of a possible near-future trend, in which the more thoughtful American blacks who can trace their roots at least a few generations in America back (if not to the days of Jim Crow or slavery) start getting possessive about the spoils, cultural and literal, of being able to identify as an entitled minority group. The incentives are certainly there, and something similar has happened in a lot of places with "disenrollment" of members of Indian tribes over the years when casino money started to come up for grabs.

    Obama delayed an African-American vs. African-Other spat that was emerging in 2004 when Henry Louis Gates pointed out that most Harvard affirmative action spots for blacks were going to people who didn’t have two African-American parents.

    But Obama was such a classic example of Gates’ point that after Obama emerged at the 2004 DNC, Gates had to shut up about it.

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    Obama delayed an African-American vs. African-Other spat that was emerging...
     
    I'd believe it, though Obama also had that odd and somewhat tragic lifelong yearning to somehow connect with his blackness (that you covered well in The Half-Blooded Prince) that he deliberately (and occasionally absurdly, see Rev. Wright) cultivated a connection with Black America, no matter how incidental and affected that connection actually was. Politics and personal ambition gave him good reasons, and ultimately rich rewards, for doing so.

    I suppose I wouldn't be surprised if West Indian and African immigrants likewise adopt (and are encouraged to adopt) the proper thieves' cant for how they're really just as oppressed as the descendants of slaves, on account of their black bodies still being targeted by people who believe they are white, how their sons would look like Trayvon Martin, and the like.
    , @res
    Interesting. I did not know that. Could that backstory have played into the motivations behind the Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy?
  48. @Guillaume Durocher
    I am personally convinced the two big necessary (though not always sufficient) attributes for a common racial/ethnic identity and consciousness are:
    1) Shared race (genetic proximity, people from same sub-continent usually close enough).
    2) Shared language.

    If people don't have the same language or come from different continents, then they don't assimilate or consolidate into a single identity. e.g. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and the failure everywhere to assimilate Afro-Muslim immigrants. Seems very consistent.

    Then there's always little-known Switzerland - I don't know what how much common identification there is between language groups there - but exceptions don't break rules, etc!

    I wrote about Switzerland in “Multilingualism and Democracy: the Swiss Exception” way back in 2000 in VDare:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/081400-multilingualism-and-democracy-the-swiss-exception

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  49. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @justwonderingaboutbaseball
    I don't know if you have been following the World Baseball Classic Mr.Sailer but, the United States just beat the Dominican Republic 6-3 with the game turning around on a truly monstrous (117.4 mph) moonshot by Giancarlo Stanton; a frozen rope double by Andrew McCutchen; and a superman-catch by center-fielder Adam Jones.

    The American team has several players of African American descent who have really stood out this tournament. Along with those named above, Marcus Stroman, Chris Archer and Mychal Givens have pitched great. The only gentleman who's had a rough time has been Josh Harrison, and I believe that due more to a lack of playing time than anything else.

    As far as I can tell, Team US shakes out racially to be 22% black, 7% hispanic (two players of Cuban descent- light skinned cubans), and 71% various white guys.

    Please keep in mind there were several players on others teams (like Italy, Israel, the Dominican Republic et al.) who could've qualified for Team US- Manny Machado and Dellin Betances come to mind, as both were born here in the states as far as I'm aware. It would've raised the Hispanic count.

    Now, according to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports, Team USA has a nagging, problematic diversity issue because those Hispanic players are not on the American team and so the team as a whole does not reflect American demographics [no mention of a lack of Asians, if anyone is asking] and is therefore incomplete. But it can be overlooked this time because 7 players are African-American and it's been a long time since blacks made up such a high percentage of a baseball team. And they are playing for diversity. That's what they are playing for - that and baseball's international reach, so I guess globalism. Team Puerto Rico, Team Japan, Team Dominican Republic are playing for their country; Team America for the world.

    Maybe it can be best summed up by pitcher Chris Archer*:


    “Given the timing and circumstances of our country, I think it’s a great opportunity for us temporarily to show that we are united, regardless of the turmoil and things going on here and other places in the world,” Archer said. “It’s always been a dream. What’s going on in the country right now makes it even better.”

    Asked later to expound, Archer added, “It is a beautiful country of diversity and freedom and a lot of other things that other countries don’t have. For this moment in time, for this next two weeks, we’re going to put on this jersey with pride and show, we’re diverse, we’re united and what USA is really all about.”
     

    here's the article: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/team-usa-america-world-baseball-classic-wbc-leyland-bregman-archer-jones-ken-rosenthal-030717

    (*I don't mean to single out Mr.Archer, who by all accounts seems to be a nice enough fellow from a military-family background; has not made a public nuisance of himself; and genuinely wants to play for Team USA to represent his country.)

    Diversity is our strength, even on the baseball diamond.

    It’s essential that the American entry into the baseball classic not win. Why?

    Because it is owned by Major League Baseball. And the Major League Baseball Players Association.

    https://www.amazon.com/American-Game-Capitalism-Decolonization-Domination/dp/0976147556

    This is an interesting leftist critique of it.

    However, what Kelly sees as the Neo colonialism lite, I see as why and how America should rule the world. Everyone in non US baseball knows what’s going on, but are happy to see the US run it. To be more precise, a lot of countries would like to own and run it, but there is not a chance that Latin America would let the Japanese run it. For example.

    If the US got competitive about it, it would send the wrong message. We don’t have to win this, because we have the World Series, MLB, etc. And since the rest of the World can play on US teams and make very serious money, it’s all good.

    Team USA? We have the Cubs. And Yankees.

    The point of the ‘lite’ version is that there is no need to coerce anyone to sign on. Its just the way it is. If someone wants to compete, then go ahead. But also, good luck.

    Fighting for it openly is a sign of weakness. My opinion of our idiotic military
    over reach.

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  50. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Guillaume Durocher
    I am personally convinced the two big necessary (though not always sufficient) attributes for a common racial/ethnic identity and consciousness are:
    1) Shared race (genetic proximity, people from same sub-continent usually close enough).
    2) Shared language.

    If people don't have the same language or come from different continents, then they don't assimilate or consolidate into a single identity. e.g. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and the failure everywhere to assimilate Afro-Muslim immigrants. Seems very consistent.

    Then there's always little-known Switzerland - I don't know what how much common identification there is between language groups there - but exceptions don't break rules, etc!

    The Swiss are very united about being a neutral country. And hence, not forced to pick a side.

    They aren’t in the UN. Whoops. I take that back:

    Switzerland finally joined the United Nations in 2002. The country took a long time to warm to the idea, with three-quarters of voters rejecting membership in 1986. This reluctance despite the fact that the European headquarters of the UN is located in Geneva, along with a host of UN special agencies.May 25, 2007

    And the BIS, Bank of International Settlement. The perfect location. And they are landlocked, without a lot of natural resources. So they specialize in International Finance, Banking, and Insurance. And drugs. The Swiss franc is what the German Mark would have turned into if they hadn’t ditched it for the Euro. The German people weren’t going to devalue the Mark, so let the Greeks trash the Euro. As long as it holds together, Germany will be an export powerhouse.

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  51. @Steve Sailer
    Obama delayed an African-American vs. African-Other spat that was emerging in 2004 when Henry Louis Gates pointed out that most Harvard affirmative action spots for blacks were going to people who didn't have two African-American parents.

    But Obama was such a classic example of Gates' point that after Obama emerged at the 2004 DNC, Gates had to shut up about it.

    Obama delayed an African-American vs. African-Other spat that was emerging…

    I’d believe it, though Obama also had that odd and somewhat tragic lifelong yearning to somehow connect with his blackness (that you covered well in The Half-Blooded Prince) that he deliberately (and occasionally absurdly, see Rev. Wright) cultivated a connection with Black America, no matter how incidental and affected that connection actually was. Politics and personal ambition gave him good reasons, and ultimately rich rewards, for doing so.

    I suppose I wouldn’t be surprised if West Indian and African immigrants likewise adopt (and are encouraged to adopt) the proper thieves’ cant for how they’re really just as oppressed as the descendants of slaves, on account of their black bodies still being targeted by people who believe they are white, how their sons would look like Trayvon Martin, and the like.

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  52. @donut
    It's time to post this again :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8BrkXYVzlE

    Thanks for sharing; very funny, astute stuff from Burr there.

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    Yes , very funny . This is the funniest Bill Burr routine I've heard :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uZSI9s5z7c
  53. @Jesse
    "...I mean, heck, Derb and Reed pass themselves off as White Nationalists…"

    Not a bad point. We might have found the mythical job that Americans just won't do. Americans, especially but not only the white ones, seem to want to forget about race and focus on ethnicity and/or nationality.

    It would be one of the most effective arguments against immigration to point out that that is a luxury only afforded by a series of historical arguments, and de facto open borders will mean that, at some point, Americans will have to make alliances with people they find repugnant just because they share a vaguely similar skin color.

    Mr. Derbyshire, married to a Chinese woman, is not a white nationalist by any stretch of the term; he explicitly explained, in great detail, on his radio show anout a month ago that he is not.

    Reed is married to a mestizoid woman and lives in Mexico, which he praises as superiour to the U.S.A. every five minutes.

    What alternate reality must anyone live on to call either a white nationalist?

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    • Replies: @Truth
    Well, Derb seems to go on about "the breakdown of the white COMMUNity" and "the ills of foreign integration", and he is a proponent of both. I do not think his hybrid children are tightening the bonds of Caucasian cohesiveness, do you?

    As for Reed, he is a white nationalist who simply has a different opinion of what white is than you do.
  54. @yaqub the mad scientist
    When you're separated by language, religion, and a host of other cultural practices, you're a different people. Look at the Central African Republic- the religious war there is between two groups who otherwise are more similar genetically, linguistically, and culturally than the Dinka in South Sudan and the Arabs, but it's enough of a difference to where the Muslims are being wiped off the map.

    Exactly! The split between Sudan and South Sudan was basically Muslims vs. Christians and Arabic speakers vs. English/tribal language speakers, so casting it in those terms would have made far more sense than making it seem like a racial Arabs vs. blacks conflict.

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  55. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Drake: black Catholic musician dad from Memphis, mom is Jewish.
    After their divorce, which is probably a microcosm of the Black-Jewish alliance of the Civil Rights movement, he stayed with his mom in Canada and had a Bar Mitzvah... then he got into (((show business)))
    Eminem' 8 Mile kind of hints at the Hi Yella black exploitation of urban poor black troubles in the rap scene
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  56. @Truth



    Although Blacks from Canada can pass as American Blacks (eg Drake, Vanity)
     
    Well that's the American way, old Sport; I mean, heck, Derb and Reed pass themselves off as White Nationalists...

    They’re white themselves, although spouses and children aren’t. Fred has recently posted an article about his Virginia Cavalier background.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    Morris Dees is white, as is his wife; for me that gives him more bonafides as a "white nationalist" than either of these "gentlemen."

    Again, as Emerson said, "what you are screams so loudly in my ears, I cannot hear what you say." I have a black friend who is much younger than I am and has friends and acquaintances of all ethnicities , yet occasionally likes to talk some low-level H. Rap Brown shit. The problem is, like the two gentlemen I've mentioned above, he has a girlfriend who looks like the Idaho Potato festival queen.

    I was joking with him the other day calling him "Malcolm Duke" as in he is Malcolm X from the vocal cords up, and David Duke from the waist down.

    The unquestionably number one way in which a man expresses himself to the world is through his choice of partner. This act alone probably supersedes his hobbies, car, shoes, bank account, and everything else combined. I don't think the two guys who write for Unz get that.
  57. @donut
    While all you children of the 60's celebrate that Negro Felon ; I prefer a White man with a misdemeanor record :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R7l7nDuj1o

    I think the protagonist of the song might have rated a felony charge for his antics.

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    You are right , yes you are . Both felonies . But the Negro was transporting a minor across state lines for immoral purposes and the white boy was exceeding the speed limit . For myself , just saying , I would have my young daughter in the white boy's car than the Negro's car .
  58. Archer is a thoughtful guy. He was on the playoff radio team last year. Diversity is our strength as our team USA whips those others!!

    And good names. But I doubt Darnell Richardson would be Puig’s name if he’d been dropped off here.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gODZzSOelss

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  59. @anony-mouse
    A bit more complicated than that. What was the mother tongue of Barack Obama Sr.? Apparently you can still be considered African-American if you're even part-Black if you were born in the USA.

    How patriotic is that?

    Although Blacks from Canada can pass as American Blacks (eg Drake, Vanity)

    Barack Obama earned his “black American” stripes when he married a black American woman.

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    Marrying an AA woman: the sad fate black men have been eluding for a reason since forever.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Barack Obama earned his “black American” stripes when he married a black American woman.
     
    Well, no one can say the man hasn't sacrificed for his principles.

    Remember, too, that Michelle is not only black, but female as well.
  60. @Seth Largo
    Beat me to it. Steve never uses this as an example though because he's probably a Dodgers supremacist.

    torii hunter made those comments as the los angeles angels center fielder though. i suspect the “controversy” had a lot do with him possibly insulting much of the local population, even if they tend not to be angels fans.

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  61. @JohnnyD
    Torri Hunter, a black center-fielder for the Twins, got into big trouble for saying that black players were being replaced by "impostors" from Latin America. I remember Hispanic sportswriters getting mad at Torri Hunter (I guess he was supposed to blame white racism for the decline in African-American players).
    http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=4983236

    Gary Sheffield beat Hunter to the punch by three years.

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=2891875

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  62. Cultural assimilation + political expediency.

    Charles Rangel, the erstwhile congressman from Harlem NYC, had no trouble passing for “African American” despite “Hispanic” parentage.

    Whereas the ballplayers in question are still showing off for the folks back in the old country.

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    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Charles Rangel hated his Puerto-Rican born father and wasn't raised around the culture so never identified as Hispanic.

    He utters basic Spanish phrases every now and then, waves a Dominican or Puerto Rican flag at annual parades and takes regular vacations on the white sand beaches of the Dominican Republic.

    But one thing that Representative Charles B. Rangel almost never does is identify himself as a Hispanic man, even though he is half Puerto Rican — a fact that could benefit him politically as he seeks re-election in a Congressional district that, as a result of redistricting, now for the first time has a Latino majority.

    Even with his closest confidants, Mr. Rangel never brings up that part of his heritage.
    The reason, it seems, is that Mr. Rangel hated his Puerto Rico-born father, who, he said, hit his mother and left the family.

    “When he abandoned my mom as a kid, that ended it as far as the relationship,” he told reporters on Tuesday. “It’s a painful relationship, and I don’t talk about it because I’ve never had any experiences there.”
     
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/nyregion/rangel-opts-to-keep-his-hispanic-roots-buried.html
  63. @justwonderingaboutbaseball
    I don't know if you have been following the World Baseball Classic Mr.Sailer but, the United States just beat the Dominican Republic 6-3 with the game turning around on a truly monstrous (117.4 mph) moonshot by Giancarlo Stanton; a frozen rope double by Andrew McCutchen; and a superman-catch by center-fielder Adam Jones.

    The American team has several players of African American descent who have really stood out this tournament. Along with those named above, Marcus Stroman, Chris Archer and Mychal Givens have pitched great. The only gentleman who's had a rough time has been Josh Harrison, and I believe that due more to a lack of playing time than anything else.

    As far as I can tell, Team US shakes out racially to be 22% black, 7% hispanic (two players of Cuban descent- light skinned cubans), and 71% various white guys.

    Please keep in mind there were several players on others teams (like Italy, Israel, the Dominican Republic et al.) who could've qualified for Team US- Manny Machado and Dellin Betances come to mind, as both were born here in the states as far as I'm aware. It would've raised the Hispanic count.

    Now, according to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports, Team USA has a nagging, problematic diversity issue because those Hispanic players are not on the American team and so the team as a whole does not reflect American demographics [no mention of a lack of Asians, if anyone is asking] and is therefore incomplete. But it can be overlooked this time because 7 players are African-American and it's been a long time since blacks made up such a high percentage of a baseball team. And they are playing for diversity. That's what they are playing for - that and baseball's international reach, so I guess globalism. Team Puerto Rico, Team Japan, Team Dominican Republic are playing for their country; Team America for the world.

    Maybe it can be best summed up by pitcher Chris Archer*:


    “Given the timing and circumstances of our country, I think it’s a great opportunity for us temporarily to show that we are united, regardless of the turmoil and things going on here and other places in the world,” Archer said. “It’s always been a dream. What’s going on in the country right now makes it even better.”

    Asked later to expound, Archer added, “It is a beautiful country of diversity and freedom and a lot of other things that other countries don’t have. For this moment in time, for this next two weeks, we’re going to put on this jersey with pride and show, we’re diverse, we’re united and what USA is really all about.”
     

    here's the article: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/team-usa-america-world-baseball-classic-wbc-leyland-bregman-archer-jones-ken-rosenthal-030717

    (*I don't mean to single out Mr.Archer, who by all accounts seems to be a nice enough fellow from a military-family background; has not made a public nuisance of himself; and genuinely wants to play for Team USA to represent his country.)

    Diversity is our strength, even on the baseball diamond.

    Giancarlo Stanton’s father is white. His maternal great-grandmother was Puerto Rican. Stanton was ruled ineligible to play for Puerto Rico because the ancestry wasn’t considered strong enough.

    Marcus Stroman’s mother is Afro-Puerto Rican. He was going to play for Puerto Rico before being invited to play for the US. LINK

    Chris Archer’s bio-mother is white. He was adopted by his maternal grandmother and her husband (both white). They have no Air Force connection, although Archer’s adoptive father is a Navy brat. LINK Archer appeared in a public service announcement with a teen who was subsequently adopted by a retired Air Force couple.

    Mychal Givens was raised by his great-grandparents who were both born on the island of Puerto Rico.

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  64. @Steve Sailer
    Obama delayed an African-American vs. African-Other spat that was emerging in 2004 when Henry Louis Gates pointed out that most Harvard affirmative action spots for blacks were going to people who didn't have two African-American parents.

    But Obama was such a classic example of Gates' point that after Obama emerged at the 2004 DNC, Gates had to shut up about it.

    Interesting. I did not know that. Could that backstory have played into the motivations behind the Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy?

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  65. @Guillaume Durocher
    I am personally convinced the two big necessary (though not always sufficient) attributes for a common racial/ethnic identity and consciousness are:
    1) Shared race (genetic proximity, people from same sub-continent usually close enough).
    2) Shared language.

    If people don't have the same language or come from different continents, then they don't assimilate or consolidate into a single identity. e.g. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and the failure everywhere to assimilate Afro-Muslim immigrants. Seems very consistent.

    Then there's always little-known Switzerland - I don't know what how much common identification there is between language groups there - but exceptions don't break rules, etc!

    In the early days of Singapore, the Chinese wanted Chinese to be the official language, never mind that up to 13 dialects were being spoken at the time. Lee Kuan Yew insisted that English become the working language in order for Singapore to become globally competitive and to avoid ethnic tensions.

    One of the things we did which we knew would call for a big price was to switch from our own languages into English. We had Chinese, Malay, Indian schools — separate language medium schools. The British ran a small English school sector to produce clerks, storekeepers, teachers for the British. Had we chosen Chinese, which was our majority language, we would have perished, economically and politically.

    Riots — we’ve seen Sri Lanka, when they switched from English to Sinhala and disenfranchised the Tamils and so strife ever after. We chose — we didn’t say it was our national language — we said it was our working language, that everybody learns English whatever language medium school you go to. Which means nobody needs interpretation to read English.

    So, our sources of culture, literature, ideas are now more from the English text than from the Chinese or the Malay or the Tamil.

    http://www.sundaytimes.lk/070902/International/i516.html

    In 1979, after seeing that the ethnic Chinese children in Singapore weren’t becoming proficient in Mandarin because they spoke dialects at home, Lee started the Speak Mandarin Campaign which promoted Mandarin not just in school but at home and discouraged the speaking of dialects.

    In 1980, 10.2% of Singapore’s Chinese spoke Mandarin at home, by 2010 47% did. In that same time period English at home went from 11.6% to 33% and Chinese dialects went from 81.4% to 19.2%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speak_Mandarin_Campaign

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    Very interesting, and thanks for the stats especially. At least some of our children are learning mandarin from a young age -- I call it "preparing the next generation for the world the way it is, not the way I'd like it to be."

    We have toyed with the idea of having one do a high school and/or college year in Singapore. It could be a way to practice mandarin with native speakers in daily life without the indoctrination of the mainland PRC. (American expat investment superstar Jim Rogers's daughter recently won a national mandarin competition in Singapore, where she was raised. We don't have his money, nor the Desire to relocate to Singapore, but it's an example of forward thinking about the likely coming role of mandarin internationally.)

    Similar logic impels us to have them learn Spanish, even though I resent the kids "needing" to do that in "our" country.

    Seems like Singapore made a wise decision having all kids become fluent in mandarin and English. The government of other asian countries -- the Philippines, for example -- would be wise to do the same, if they can find a way to afford hiring so many native English and mandarin speakers as elementary-school teachers.

  66. Slightly OT, but re the refusal of American blacks to attend baseball games, turns out that Jim Bibby was bemoaning the fact way back in 1975:

    http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/if-its-tuesday-this-must-be-oakland/

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The American League opened in 1901 specifically to provide nice WASP/German middle class families with a respectable outing, unlike the existing National League, which was seen as having been taken over in the 1890s by vulgarly Irish working class louts.
  67. @Svigor

    Derb and Reed pass themselves off as White Nationalists…
     
    Reed who? Surely you don't mean Fred Reed. You've got to be high as a kite to think Fred Reed is a White Nationalist, or passes himself off as one, or doesn't hate WNs' guts. Gotta be some other Reed you're talking about, right?

    He does consider himself a white nationalist, he just things Hispanics are white.

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  68. @Intelligent Dasein
    African-Americans are a distinct racial and cultural unit, bred and shaped first by slavery (and a resulting small but significant admixture of White blood), then by a hasty and ill-planned liberation, then by a century and a half of White liberal mollycoddling and finally, within the last two or three generations, by welfare, effusive praise, and permissiveness. The process has produced soft, spoiled, quarrelsome, unmotivated, thuggish, unemployable sloths who must either be bought off with favors, imprisoned, or left to run wild while decent people pretend not to notice, and move away while continuing to soliloquy upon "racism."

    We've spent trillions of dollars trying to make American citizens out of our African cohort and what have we got for our efforts? Shaun King and Colin Kaepernick. It's time to pronounce the effort a failure. The only workable solution is separation.

    They’re not all like that.

    Said millions of White boobs in the decades preceding the financial, cultural and racial implosion of the American Empire.

    Carry on regardless all the way to the densest core of the implosion.

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  69. @Hibernian
    They're white themselves, although spouses and children aren't. Fred has recently posted an article about his Virginia Cavalier background.

    Morris Dees is white, as is his wife; for me that gives him more bonafides as a “white nationalist” than either of these “gentlemen.”

    Again, as Emerson said, “what you are screams so loudly in my ears, I cannot hear what you say.” I have a black friend who is much younger than I am and has friends and acquaintances of all ethnicities , yet occasionally likes to talk some low-level H. Rap Brown shit. The problem is, like the two gentlemen I’ve mentioned above, he has a girlfriend who looks like the Idaho Potato festival queen.

    I was joking with him the other day calling him “Malcolm Duke” as in he is Malcolm X from the vocal cords up, and David Duke from the waist down.

    The unquestionably number one way in which a man expresses himself to the world is through his choice of partner. This act alone probably supersedes his hobbies, car, shoes, bank account, and everything else combined. I don’t think the two guys who write for Unz get that.

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    ...he has a girlfriend who looks like the Idaho Potato festival queen.
     
    My pity to any poor girl who resembles Larry Craig.
  70. @Triumph104
    In the early days of Singapore, the Chinese wanted Chinese to be the official language, never mind that up to 13 dialects were being spoken at the time. Lee Kuan Yew insisted that English become the working language in order for Singapore to become globally competitive and to avoid ethnic tensions.

    One of the things we did which we knew would call for a big price was to switch from our own languages into English. We had Chinese, Malay, Indian schools — separate language medium schools. The British ran a small English school sector to produce clerks, storekeepers, teachers for the British. Had we chosen Chinese, which was our majority language, we would have perished, economically and politically.

    Riots — we've seen Sri Lanka, when they switched from English to Sinhala and disenfranchised the Tamils and so strife ever after. We chose — we didn't say it was our national language — we said it was our working language, that everybody learns English whatever language medium school you go to. Which means nobody needs interpretation to read English.

    So, our sources of culture, literature, ideas are now more from the English text than from the Chinese or the Malay or the Tamil.

    http://www.sundaytimes.lk/070902/International/i516.html
     

    In 1979, after seeing that the ethnic Chinese children in Singapore weren't becoming proficient in Mandarin because they spoke dialects at home, Lee started the Speak Mandarin Campaign which promoted Mandarin not just in school but at home and discouraged the speaking of dialects.

    In 1980, 10.2% of Singapore's Chinese spoke Mandarin at home, by 2010 47% did. In that same time period English at home went from 11.6% to 33% and Chinese dialects went from 81.4% to 19.2%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speak_Mandarin_Campaign

    Very interesting, and thanks for the stats especially. At least some of our children are learning mandarin from a young age — I call it “preparing the next generation for the world the way it is, not the way I’d like it to be.”

    We have toyed with the idea of having one do a high school and/or college year in Singapore. It could be a way to practice mandarin with native speakers in daily life without the indoctrination of the mainland PRC. (American expat investment superstar Jim Rogers’s daughter recently won a national mandarin competition in Singapore, where she was raised. We don’t have his money, nor the Desire to relocate to Singapore, but it’s an example of forward thinking about the likely coming role of mandarin internationally.)

    Similar logic impels us to have them learn Spanish, even though I resent the kids “needing” to do that in “our” country.

    Seems like Singapore made a wise decision having all kids become fluent in mandarin and English. The government of other asian countries — the Philippines, for example — would be wise to do the same, if they can find a way to afford hiring so many native English and mandarin speakers as elementary-school teachers.

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  71. @theo the kraut
    OT--Merkel is biting the nails of her right hand till they bleed, either she's unwilling or unable by now to hide it from the public:

    http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20170308&t=2&i=1175351141&w=780&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=LYNXMPED270C9

    From this page from Mar 8 2017: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-election-idUSKBN16F0IO

    As Trump is germophobic that certainly doesn't help.

    =============================

    here she looks like dying (colour contrast added): https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17361505_10155107989949738_3196002993264145780_n.jpg?oh=c0b146f4f25cbc21165f060c6c261a44&oe=59716534

    low res from Jan 2017: https://twitter.com/Rivanov5/status/825654841242423298

    https://twitter.com/t2gunner/status/793427714111705093

    Angela Merkel may occasionally bite the tips of her own fingers while she’s eating herring, it doesn’t make her a bad person.

    Angela Merkel’s demographic destruction of Germany, on the other hand, makes her an evil bastard. Merkel has flooded Germany with foreign men between the ages of 18 and 50. This is going to cause a civil war. The only thing holding Germany and the European Union together is money printing from the European Central Bank. Hopefully, Marine Le Pen will kill the EU and the ECB at the same time.

    The same demographic destruction is occurring in the United States. Mass immigration will bring about Civil War II. The only thing holding the American Empire together is money printing from the Federal Reserve Bank. There is no “normalization” of monetary policy after almost a decade of zero interest rates.

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  72. @countenance
    Barack Obama earned his "black American" stripes when he married a black American woman.

    Marrying an AA woman: the sad fate black men have been eluding for a reason since forever.

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  73. @marty
    Slightly OT, but re the refusal of American blacks to attend baseball games, turns out that Jim Bibby was bemoaning the fact way back in 1975:

    http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/if-its-tuesday-this-must-be-oakland/

    The American League opened in 1901 specifically to provide nice WASP/German middle class families with a respectable outing, unlike the existing National League, which was seen as having been taken over in the 1890s by vulgarly Irish working class louts.

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  74. @Joe Magarac
    Cultural assimilation + political expediency.

    Charles Rangel, the erstwhile congressman from Harlem NYC, had no trouble passing for "African American" despite "Hispanic" parentage.

    Whereas the ballplayers in question are still showing off for the folks back in the old country.

    Charles Rangel hated his Puerto-Rican born father and wasn’t raised around the culture so never identified as Hispanic.

    He utters basic Spanish phrases every now and then, waves a Dominican or Puerto Rican flag at annual parades and takes regular vacations on the white sand beaches of the Dominican Republic.

    But one thing that Representative Charles B. Rangel almost never does is identify himself as a Hispanic man, even though he is half Puerto Rican — a fact that could benefit him politically as he seeks re-election in a Congressional district that, as a result of redistricting, now for the first time has a Latino majority.

    Even with his closest confidants, Mr. Rangel never brings up that part of his heritage.
    The reason, it seems, is that Mr. Rangel hated his Puerto Rico-born father, who, he said, hit his mother and left the family.

    “When he abandoned my mom as a kid, that ended it as far as the relationship,” he told reporters on Tuesday. “It’s a painful relationship, and I don’t talk about it because I’ve never had any experiences there.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/nyregion/rangel-opts-to-keep-his-hispanic-roots-buried.html

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    n, it seems, is that Mr. Rangel hated his Puerto Rico-born father, who, he said, hit his mother and left the family.
     
    The problem with most Puerto Ricans is that they cause such trouble, and won't leave.
  75. @Truth
    Morris Dees is white, as is his wife; for me that gives him more bonafides as a "white nationalist" than either of these "gentlemen."

    Again, as Emerson said, "what you are screams so loudly in my ears, I cannot hear what you say." I have a black friend who is much younger than I am and has friends and acquaintances of all ethnicities , yet occasionally likes to talk some low-level H. Rap Brown shit. The problem is, like the two gentlemen I've mentioned above, he has a girlfriend who looks like the Idaho Potato festival queen.

    I was joking with him the other day calling him "Malcolm Duke" as in he is Malcolm X from the vocal cords up, and David Duke from the waist down.

    The unquestionably number one way in which a man expresses himself to the world is through his choice of partner. This act alone probably supersedes his hobbies, car, shoes, bank account, and everything else combined. I don't think the two guys who write for Unz get that.

    …he has a girlfriend who looks like the Idaho Potato festival queen.

    My pity to any poor girl who resembles Larry Craig.

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  76. @Triumph104
    Charles Rangel hated his Puerto-Rican born father and wasn't raised around the culture so never identified as Hispanic.

    He utters basic Spanish phrases every now and then, waves a Dominican or Puerto Rican flag at annual parades and takes regular vacations on the white sand beaches of the Dominican Republic.

    But one thing that Representative Charles B. Rangel almost never does is identify himself as a Hispanic man, even though he is half Puerto Rican — a fact that could benefit him politically as he seeks re-election in a Congressional district that, as a result of redistricting, now for the first time has a Latino majority.

    Even with his closest confidants, Mr. Rangel never brings up that part of his heritage.
    The reason, it seems, is that Mr. Rangel hated his Puerto Rico-born father, who, he said, hit his mother and left the family.

    “When he abandoned my mom as a kid, that ended it as far as the relationship,” he told reporters on Tuesday. “It’s a painful relationship, and I don’t talk about it because I’ve never had any experiences there.”
     
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/nyregion/rangel-opts-to-keep-his-hispanic-roots-buried.html

    n, it seems, is that Mr. Rangel hated his Puerto Rico-born father, who, he said, hit his mother and left the family.

    The problem with most Puerto Ricans is that they cause such trouble, and won’t leave.

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  77. @countenance
    Barack Obama earned his "black American" stripes when he married a black American woman.

    Barack Obama earned his “black American” stripes when he married a black American woman.

    Well, no one can say the man hasn’t sacrificed for his principles.

    Remember, too, that Michelle is not only black, but female as well.

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  78. @Guillaume Durocher
    I am personally convinced the two big necessary (though not always sufficient) attributes for a common racial/ethnic identity and consciousness are:
    1) Shared race (genetic proximity, people from same sub-continent usually close enough).
    2) Shared language.

    If people don't have the same language or come from different continents, then they don't assimilate or consolidate into a single identity. e.g. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and the failure everywhere to assimilate Afro-Muslim immigrants. Seems very consistent.

    Then there's always little-known Switzerland - I don't know what how much common identification there is between language groups there - but exceptions don't break rules, etc!

    I’ve noticed that the French, German, and Italian Swiss tend to communicate with each other a lot in English these days, although sometimes in French, and usually not in German. The French Swiss learn High German which the German Swiss don’t like to speak so they use English or French. Some of the university classes at the graduate level are in English rather than a national language.

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  79. @CJ
    Dominicans would likely feel insulted, yes, but Yasiel Puig is from Cuba.

    >>Dominicans would likely feel insulted, yes, but Yasiel Puig is from Cuba.

    Shows how much attention I pay to sports.

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  80. @yaqub the mad scientist
    When you're separated by language, religion, and a host of other cultural practices, you're a different people. Look at the Central African Republic- the religious war there is between two groups who otherwise are more similar genetically, linguistically, and culturally than the Dinka in South Sudan and the Arabs, but it's enough of a difference to where the Muslims are being wiped off the map.

    >> Look at the Central African Republic-

    Oh boy, have they come down in status. I can recall when that country was referred to as the Central African Empire.

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  81. @Hibernian
    I think the protagonist of the song might have rated a felony charge for his antics.

    You are right , yes you are . Both felonies . But the Negro was transporting a minor across state lines for immoral purposes and the white boy was exceeding the speed limit . For myself , just saying , I would have my young daughter in the white boy’s car than the Negro’s car .

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  82. @Autochthon
    Thanks for sharing; very funny, astute stuff from Burr there.

    Yes , very funny . This is the funniest Bill Burr routine I’ve heard :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uZSI9s5z7c

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  83. @Autochthon
    Mr. Derbyshire, married to a Chinese woman, is not a white nationalist by any stretch of the term; he explicitly explained, in great detail, on his radio show anout a month ago that he is not.

    Reed is married to a mestizoid woman and lives in Mexico, which he praises as superiour to the U.S.A. every five minutes.

    What alternate reality must anyone live on to call either a white nationalist?

    Well, Derb seems to go on about “the breakdown of the white COMMUNity” and “the ills of foreign integration”, and he is a proponent of both. I do not think his hybrid children are tightening the bonds of Caucasian cohesiveness, do you?

    As for Reed, he is a white nationalist who simply has a different opinion of what white is than you do.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Neither of your statements demonstrate you understand what a white nationalist is.

    I'm beginning to suspect I've settings to ignore yiu but a recently cleared cache mussed them up, since I am pretty careful to ignore illogical people.
  84. “when complaining about how white people should do more for Diversity in MLB.”

    this is insanity……..I don’t hear much whining and crying about diversity in the NBA.

    lets face the facts, diversity is a one way street and is code for too many white people.

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  85. @anony-mouse
    A bit more complicated than that. What was the mother tongue of Barack Obama Sr.? Apparently you can still be considered African-American if you're even part-Black if you were born in the USA.

    How patriotic is that?

    Although Blacks from Canada can pass as American Blacks (eg Drake, Vanity)

    Obama was born in the USA?

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  86. @Truth
    Well, Derb seems to go on about "the breakdown of the white COMMUNity" and "the ills of foreign integration", and he is a proponent of both. I do not think his hybrid children are tightening the bonds of Caucasian cohesiveness, do you?

    As for Reed, he is a white nationalist who simply has a different opinion of what white is than you do.

    Neither of your statements demonstrate you understand what a white nationalist is.

    I’m beginning to suspect I’ve settings to ignore yiu but a recently cleared cache mussed them up, since I am pretty careful to ignore illogical people.

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    Neither of your statements demonstrate you understand what a white nationalist is.
     
    That's really funny, Bro; that's EXACTLY WHAT I'VE SAID, MULTIPLE TIMES, TO DERB AND REED!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CdVTCDdEwI
  87. http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/florida-wont-charge-prison-guards-who-boiled-schizophrenic-black-man-darren-rainey-to-death-9213190

    A little unrelated, but is there any place in the United States with a higher ratio of police brutality against African-Americans/ Media Outrage Generated than Miami-Dade?

    On the surface it would seem boiling a person alive in the showers would illicit far more outrage than say a police officer outside of St.Louis using deadly force to respond to a homocidal perp.

    What do you think accounts for the outrage differential? Cuban-Americans can’t be offended because of their swing vote status? Or Anglo acceptance that the Batistian Republic of Miami can’t be judged by the same standards as the rest of the United States?

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    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    He wasn't "boiled".

    "Dr Emma Lew, Miami-Dade’s medical examiner, said Rainey did not suffer any burns of any kind and there was no evidence of trauma.

    She said his death was down to a combination of his schizophrenia, heart disease and confinement in the small shower space.

    Dr Lew said that schizophrenic people can have nervous system reactions that trigger a heart attack if they have an underlying condition.

    Prosecutors said that the guards did not commit murder or manslaughter, writing in a memo: ”Placing an inmate who has defecated upon himself in a shower to decontaminate himself is not conduct that is criminally reckless."


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/prison-guards-who-boiled-schizophrenic-inmate-to-death-will-not-face-charges-130204831.html
  88. @Autochthon
    Neither of your statements demonstrate you understand what a white nationalist is.

    I'm beginning to suspect I've settings to ignore yiu but a recently cleared cache mussed them up, since I am pretty careful to ignore illogical people.

    Neither of your statements demonstrate you understand what a white nationalist is.

    That’s really funny, Bro; that’s EXACTLY WHAT I’VE SAID, MULTIPLE TIMES, TO DERB AND REED!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CdVTCDdEwI

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  89. @Daniel H
    My guess, Yasiel Puig denies that he is black and would be insulted, as would many Dominicans on his and their own behalf, if he were referred to as black.

    The same as Latin American Indians who claim to be of ‘Spanish’ blood.

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  90. If Yasiel Puig’s distant ancestors had been dropped of in the US his sister would probably be named La Shontelle Jackson.

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  91. @Truth



    Although Blacks from Canada can pass as American Blacks (eg Drake, Vanity)
     
    Well that's the American way, old Sport; I mean, heck, Derb and Reed pass themselves off as White Nationalists...

    Where have I “passed myself off” as a white nationalist? Link, please.

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    Don't bother, Truth probably believes you're a transexual too. It's all part of an Illluminati conspiracy, you see!
    , @Truth
    Below is the wikipedia definition of "white nationalist":

    White nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which holds the belief that white people are a race and seeks to develop and maintain a white national identity. Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation.

    White nationalism - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism

    Do you disagree with this definition for yourself? what if I added a 1 sentence addendum to the end; "white nationalists are willing to debate the possible immigration of a decided-upon number of comely Asian and Hispanic ladies."
  92. @John Derbyshire
    Where have I "passed myself off" as a white nationalist? Link, please.

    Don’t bother, Truth probably believes you’re a transexual too. It’s all part of an Illluminati conspiracy, you see!

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  93. @John Derbyshire
    Where have I "passed myself off" as a white nationalist? Link, please.

    Below is the wikipedia definition of “white nationalist”:

    White nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which holds the belief that white people are a race and seeks to develop and maintain a white national identity. Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation.

    White nationalism – Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism

    Do you disagree with this definition for yourself? what if I added a 1 sentence addendum to the end; “white nationalists are willing to debate the possible immigration of a decided-upon number of comely Asian and Hispanic ladies.”

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  94. @donut
    While all you children of the 60's celebrate that Negro Felon ; I prefer a White man with a misdemeanor record :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R7l7nDuj1o

    Bill Kirchen (lead guitar) was very very good. He was an influence on Dave Alvin of the Blaster’s among others. I had a couple beers with him circa 1995 in Virginia after a show he played to maybe 100 people. Nice guy with a ton of great stories.

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  95. @Newswatcher
    http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/florida-wont-charge-prison-guards-who-boiled-schizophrenic-black-man-darren-rainey-to-death-9213190

    A little unrelated, but is there any place in the United States with a higher ratio of police brutality against African-Americans/ Media Outrage Generated than Miami-Dade?

    On the surface it would seem boiling a person alive in the showers would illicit far more outrage than say a police officer outside of St.Louis using deadly force to respond to a homocidal perp.

    What do you think accounts for the outrage differential? Cuban-Americans can't be offended because of their swing vote status? Or Anglo acceptance that the Batistian Republic of Miami can't be judged by the same standards as the rest of the United States?

    He wasn’t “boiled”.

    “Dr Emma Lew, Miami-Dade’s medical examiner, said Rainey did not suffer any burns of any kind and there was no evidence of trauma.

    She said his death was down to a combination of his schizophrenia, heart disease and confinement in the small shower space.

    Dr Lew said that schizophrenic people can have nervous system reactions that trigger a heart attack if they have an underlying condition.

    Prosecutors said that the guards did not commit murder or manslaughter, writing in a memo: ”Placing an inmate who has defecated upon himself in a shower to decontaminate himself is not conduct that is criminally reckless.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/prison-guards-who-boiled-schizophrenic-inmate-to-death-will-not-face-charges-130204831.html

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    Why was the schizophrenic inmate in a prison instead of a psychiatric hospital?
  96. @William Badwhite
    He wasn't "boiled".

    "Dr Emma Lew, Miami-Dade’s medical examiner, said Rainey did not suffer any burns of any kind and there was no evidence of trauma.

    She said his death was down to a combination of his schizophrenia, heart disease and confinement in the small shower space.

    Dr Lew said that schizophrenic people can have nervous system reactions that trigger a heart attack if they have an underlying condition.

    Prosecutors said that the guards did not commit murder or manslaughter, writing in a memo: ”Placing an inmate who has defecated upon himself in a shower to decontaminate himself is not conduct that is criminally reckless."


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/prison-guards-who-boiled-schizophrenic-inmate-to-death-will-not-face-charges-130204831.html

    Why was the schizophrenic inmate in a prison instead of a psychiatric hospital?

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    That's a different topic (I was pointing out that he wasn't "boiled" as Newswatcher asserted) but a good question. I've seen estimates that as many as 50% of inmates in long-term incarceration have some form of mental illness or another.

    Our prison system is a national disgrace. I don't object to the raw numbers - with very few exceptions they belong there - but the idea that you have to fight gladiator duels on a regular basis with insane people or otherwise risk being raped or killed is horrifying. I'd think you could make a good case that any judge sentencing a white guy to general population in your average state prison is knowingly applying cruel and unusual punishment.
  97. @BB753
    Why was the schizophrenic inmate in a prison instead of a psychiatric hospital?

    That’s a different topic (I was pointing out that he wasn’t “boiled” as Newswatcher asserted) but a good question. I’ve seen estimates that as many as 50% of inmates in long-term incarceration have some form of mental illness or another.

    Our prison system is a national disgrace. I don’t object to the raw numbers – with very few exceptions they belong there – but the idea that you have to fight gladiator duels on a regular basis with insane people or otherwise risk being raped or killed is horrifying. I’d think you could make a good case that any judge sentencing a white guy to general population in your average state prison is knowingly applying cruel and unusual punishment.

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