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From the UK Independent:

London borough finds one in five child deaths caused by parents being related

Children of consanguineous couples accounted for 19 per cent of child death cases in Redbridge between 2008 and 2016, report shows

May Bulman
Wednesday 17 May 2017 16

One in five child deaths in an east London borough have occurred because the mother and father are related, a report has found.

Redbridge Council found deaths of children from parents who were known consanguineous couples – meaning second cousins or more closely related – accounted for 19 per cent of 124 cases reviewed in the borough between 2008 and 2016.

“Chromosomal, genetic and congenital abnormalities”, which are known to occur in offspring of interfamily relationships due to a heightened risk of certain genetic disorders, were identified as the causes of the deaths in a report by the borough’s Child Death Overview Panel (CDOP). …

Nine per cent of the children who died were from families with Pakistani origins – a group that had the highest rates of consanguineous parents, at 50 per cent, according to the report.

 
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  1. 1 out of the remaining 4 die in bicycle accidents.

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    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    "1 out of the remaining 4 die in bicycle accidents."

    One the stabber, one the stabbed, and there's still one left to start a rape grooming gang.

    It all works out.
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  2. Hunsdon says:

    Is this what they mean when they say “hatefact”?

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Not by itself -- I could see this being reported by the BBC, albeit in a dishonest and emotional way (you need to have sympathy for these poor people) -- but if you connect the dots further, like is seen in Gavin McInnes' observation that the map of the prevalence of cousin marriage just happens to overlap perfectly the map of the Umma, it gets pretty "problematic."
    , @Amanuensis
    Yes! Awkward, inconvenient, Un PC. Tsk tsk.
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  3. @MikeatMikedotMike
    1 out of the remaining 4 die in bicycle accidents.

    “1 out of the remaining 4 die in bicycle accidents.”

    One the stabber, one the stabbed, and there’s still one left to start a rape grooming gang.

    It all works out.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    You've definitely got the makings of a nursery rhyme there.
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  4. TheBoom says:

    And this doesn’t take into account the ones who live but have birth defects including mental deficiency.

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Mental deficiency? How can they tell?
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  5. AndrewR says:

    Typical Anglo-American second cousins might as well be random strangers in terms of their genetic similarity. Most Americans would be disgusted at the thought of marrying a second cousin even though most Americans barely know their second cousins and probably haven’t even met all of them.

    But with Pakis it’s different. When your mutual great-grandparents were first-cousins, and you are also closely related to both of your cousin-spouse’s parents, genes can get ugly quickly.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    This ugly:

    https://www.politicalite.com/corbyn/labour/ukip-labour-ignored-muslim-grooming-gangs-across-britain/

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  6. Roberts says:

    Can you breed out the defective genes with close relative marriages, or do new mutations pop up faster than they are eliminated?

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    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    You can, but you need strong culling of the defective - like what was done with animal breeds. And you would end up with a population with less genetic diversity, which could be bad for long term survival.
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  7. Nathan says:

    Yeah… how about we go ahead and remember this the next time anyone says anything about the use of depleted uranium munitions in the war on terror.

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    This is pretty tasteless, and we are not bombing Pakistan either.

    Giving a whole areas super-deformed monster babies down the corridors of time is not nice. Also, the wife of the returning serviceman may get a bad case of cancer because that metal is ferried in body fluids.
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  8. Thomm says:

    I wonder, how far does a conception have to go before the genetic risk declines to a negligible level? Third cousin? Fourth cousin?

    A lot of American communities (Italians, Jews, etc.) had 3rd and 4th cousin marriages, often without either party realizing it. This is unsurprising when a community emphasizes their church and in-marrying.

    Plus, a prior conversation here concluded that most people don’t have 64 unique GGGG-GPs, and almost no one has 512 unique G^7 GPs. The few that do are likely to be tri-racial people like Tiger Woods, Mariah Carey, Rae Dawn Chong, etc.

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    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    That's a good question. Inbreeding depression exists, but then so does outbreeding depression.

    Peter Frost recently blogged about this (http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2018/05/outbreeding-not-what-you-may-think.html?m=1). To quote one part that will interest you:


    That's what we know from data on fish and other animals. But what about our species? At what degree of relatedness do the costs of human outbreeding start to exceed the benefits? When you marry a Neanderthal? The answer may surprise you. An Icelandic study found that fertility peaks at marriages between third or fourth cousins. Fertility is lower when the prospective parents are more closely related ... or less.

    Our results, drawn from all known couples of the Icelandic population born between 1800 and 1965, show a significant positive association between kinship and fertility, with the greatest reproductive success observed for couples related at the level of third and fourth cousins. Owing to the relative socioeconomic homogeneity of Icelanders, and the observation of highly significant differences in the fertility of couples separated by very fine intervals of kinship, we conclude that this association is likely to have a biological basis. (Helgason et al. 2008)
     

     
    , @Daniel Chieh
    3rd. Jewish still have issues, though, as do the Amish.
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  9. Lurker says:
    @Ozymandias
    "1 out of the remaining 4 die in bicycle accidents."

    One the stabber, one the stabbed, and there's still one left to start a rape grooming gang.

    It all works out.

    You’ve definitely got the makings of a nursery rhyme there.

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    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
    All around the tribalist tent,
    The Paki chased his cousin,
    Their kids will all have birth defects,
    So pop out a dozen!
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  10. Lurker says:
    @AndrewR
    Typical Anglo-American second cousins might as well be random strangers in terms of their genetic similarity. Most Americans would be disgusted at the thought of marrying a second cousin even though most Americans barely know their second cousins and probably haven't even met all of them.

    But with Pakis it's different. When your mutual great-grandparents were first-cousins, and you are also closely related to both of your cousin-spouse's parents, genes can get ugly quickly.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    and yet the Labor Party PM Tony Blair signed onto Bush's war in Iraq and committed many British troops...... A war that killed 1 million, while displacing, injuring, widowing, and orphaning millions more......

    Rather odd.........

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgs-EXLKX2I

    I wonder why he'd ignore grooming gangs in the UK, while fervently supporting an exceptionally bloody war on a random nation.
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  11. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Hunsdon
    Is this what they mean when they say "hatefact"?

    Not by itself — I could see this being reported by the BBC, albeit in a dishonest and emotional way (you need to have sympathy for these poor people) — but if you connect the dots further, like is seen in Gavin McInnes’ observation that the map of the prevalence of cousin marriage just happens to overlap perfectly the map of the Umma, it gets pretty “problematic.”

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  12. @Lurker
    This ugly:

    https://www.politicalite.com/corbyn/labour/ukip-labour-ignored-muslim-grooming-gangs-across-britain/

    and yet the Labor Party PM Tony Blair signed onto Bush’s war in Iraq and committed many British troops…… A war that killed 1 million, while displacing, injuring, widowing, and orphaning millions more……

    Rather odd………

    I wonder why he’d ignore grooming gangs in the UK, while fervently supporting an exceptionally bloody war on a random nation.

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    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    He constantly and passionately argued that it was worth British blood and treasure to help and liberate said nation. He thinks Muslims are perfect angels. It is part of his worldview. How could he have known that, absent Saddam putting heads on pikes, the Iraqis would immediately begin killing each other with reckless abandon? To be honest, it still blows my mind that this was what they took the opportunity to do.
    , @Anonymous
    Just looking at that face makes me sick.

    Apart from turning Britain into a black/brown nation, Blair's ultimate legacy will be keeping the Labour Party out of power for at least 30 years.

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    Because he was told by his CIA handlers/contacts/friends/advisors/(wife?) to do so, maybe?

    And Blair was stupid enough to believe the lies about WMD in Iraq?

    That the British people themselves were against the war in Iraq was irrelevant to Tony Blair. Supermen like Blair did not need to take into account the , you know, actual wishes of the people he was sworn to represent.

    That's why you and I will never be the chief executive of a country, JW123. We don't big enough egos, and we're too decent to do the things necessary to get the needed money to make it to the top of the political heap.

    But Blair did.

    It's probably that simple.
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  13. Anon[723] • Disclaimer says:

    Only 9 percent were Pakistanis. Does that mean 91 percent were inbreeding white Britishers?!

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  14. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    I wouldn’t assume that all excess birth defects observed in a cousin marriage are actually caused by inbreeding. If the cultural norm for native English couples is to abort fetuses with problems, while Muslim families are more comfortable with burdening the health care system with a sick kid, then there would be a spurious correlation between cousin marriage and sick kids that make it to birth and into the dataset.

    Something like Christians being more likely to be observed with a Downs Syndrome kid. I don’t know how Muslims in general feel about abortion, but I dimly recall another study like this with more details that only made sense if there was a different rate of abortion. And it struck me that a culture that is more comfortable with the birth defects of cousin marriage and also more comfortable with being on welfare, would probably be less likely to abort a fetus with expensive medical needs regardless of what the culture’s religion said.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, I have said this before, but the US inner cities could be the petri dish to test out genetic studies. With more than 70% of black births by single mothers (and truly that number pushes 100% in some neighborhoods) and mothers having multiple offspring by multiple fathers, what are the chances that people are not breeding with first cousins or, dare I say, closer relatives. Worth a study.
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  15. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123
    and yet the Labor Party PM Tony Blair signed onto Bush's war in Iraq and committed many British troops...... A war that killed 1 million, while displacing, injuring, widowing, and orphaning millions more......

    Rather odd.........

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgs-EXLKX2I

    I wonder why he'd ignore grooming gangs in the UK, while fervently supporting an exceptionally bloody war on a random nation.

    He constantly and passionately argued that it was worth British blood and treasure to help and liberate said nation. He thinks Muslims are perfect angels. It is part of his worldview. How could he have known that, absent Saddam putting heads on pikes, the Iraqis would immediately begin killing each other with reckless abandon? To be honest, it still blows my mind that this was what they took the opportunity to do.

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    • Replies: @nebulafox
    I can't be the only one who thinks that Tony Blair and George W. Bush really are the same guy. Same rigid mental processes, same revolt against predecessors, same genuine belief, same unscrupulous subordinates. Hardly a wonder they got along.
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  16. Tyrion 2 says: • Website

    And this is only Pakistani immigrants. Just from South Asia, there are larger Muslim communities in London from India and Bangladesh.

    The system could best be called pyramid migration. The pitch back home is that you get to come to the UK, claim welfare and even get married to your cousin, if you are willing to work for free in a shop or restaurant for x years.

    Hence the number of bizarre encounters one may have in small shops that have no feasible way of paying real wages where the man behind the counter speaks genuinely literally a few words of English. Which is shocking even in South Asia itself.

    Living off welfare while pretending to be paid by your uncle for standing in his shop is not the point, of course.

    Instead, once you achieve citizenship you get to bring more people over and they pay you with their indentured labour. Also, especially important is the free cradle to grave medical care. Even well-to-do migrants can’t turn down free first world health care for their elderly parents, plus carers and pensions too.

    Talking about this stuff is seen as rude. It makes you sound ungenerous and insecure but I suspect it also triggers many English people’s deeply suppressed anxieties. They’re all too happy to shoot the messenger to return to instant peace of mind.

    Then, when laws surrounding this stuff come up for review. The case study everyone will talk about will be like my friend’s experience, who is marrying a girl only the most stereotypically vile racists would object to coming to the UK; and they will comment on how harsh the system is. Thereby giving themselves a sense of security, goodwill and that, totally insanely, she is representative so everything will be alright.

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    Also, massive remittances transferred to Pakistan keep many a Pakistani family alive.

    There is enormous pressure on the typical unemployed Pakistani lout to impose himself upon England and become one of those gilded, fabled big 'remittance men'.

    , @nebulafox
    Bangladesh is no bastion of progress-see how atheist bloggers have been hacked to death there-but to their credit, I don't think that kind of inbreeding is an issue with Bengalis anymore. Note also the birth rate difference between Bangladesh and Pakistan. One has made serious progress. The other hasn't so much.

    Taking it even further, they most likely originate from the same area of Pakistan, Mirpur. About 2/3rds of all British Pakistanis come from there, largely imported to work in the textile industry before it went belly-up. It's a notoriously backward place, even on regional standards: Mirpuri jokes are to subcontinentals what Appalachian or ghetto jokes are to Americans. This isn't new, either. The mental retardation of Mirpuri children in Britain, and the costs that the British taxpayer has to choke up for them has been an issue that hat the British media has been unwilling to cover for multiple decades. Much like the Mirpuri controlled sex gangs.

    For all of America's problems being exacerbated by the unlimited immigration our bipartisan elites are so insistent on, it could be far, far worse. Geographical proximity and colonial history is probably the biggest reason that Europe gets their underclass/working-class migrants from the Islamic World, but another is the welfare system. Think about it: unless you really have a compelling reason to go to the United States, why would you go to a country with a far greater cultural emphasis on assimilation and a pathetic welfare safety net by comparison? Emigrants interested in the United States, by contrast, tend to-although make no mistake, the 21st Century Democratic Party has trying its best to change this-be either types who have no choice (relatives, their job, etc), the educated bourgeois set, or the types of "tiger parents" willing to move heaven and hell to ensure their children will be. This isn't a universal rule-you have groups like Somalis in Minnesota that do resemble European-esque problem minorities-but we get our working class emigrant demographic from Central America, not North Africa or the Middle East. That's a much lesser evil.

    Effective welfare states and open immigration just don't together, at least not in a long-term fiscally feasible way-and Democrats these days seem to be hell-bent on ignoring this basic reality. (I'm not a hypocrite: the GOP has its own denial of fiscal reality issues, especially concerning tax cuts and the military budget. But that's another post for another time.) The reason the US has done OK so far is because the dollar is the world's reserve currency. That's not going to last forever. As recently as 10 years ago, that notorious RACISS Paul Krugman was willing to openly mention the basic economic incompatibility of the two in the New York Times. Now, 10 years later... well, just look at what Steve posted.

    It goes to show the age of Obama and Trump has really changed the Overton window.

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  17. Anonymous[416] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, the Pakistani proclivity for cosanguinous marriage enables virtually unlimited immigration to the UK by the importation of spouses.
    Doubtless, the custom first evolved as a means of keeping wealth within the clan, Hamiltonian kin selection in short, but the immigration angle adds an extra piquancy to the genetic advantage of the practice.
    As in the case of sickle cell, the genetic casualties are, in the scheme of things, a small price to pay for the breeding advantage garnered by UK residence to the those unafflicted.

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  18. Anonymous[416] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    And this is only Pakistani immigrants. Just from South Asia, there are larger Muslim communities in London from India and Bangladesh.

    The system could best be called pyramid migration. The pitch back home is that you get to come to the UK, claim welfare and even get married to your cousin, if you are willing to work for free in a shop or restaurant for x years.

    Hence the number of bizarre encounters one may have in small shops that have no feasible way of paying real wages where the man behind the counter speaks genuinely literally a few words of English. Which is shocking even in South Asia itself.

    Living off welfare while pretending to be paid by your uncle for standing in his shop is not the point, of course.

    Instead, once you achieve citizenship you get to bring more people over and they pay you with their indentured labour. Also, especially important is the free cradle to grave medical care. Even well-to-do migrants can't turn down free first world health care for their elderly parents, plus carers and pensions too.

    Talking about this stuff is seen as rude. It makes you sound ungenerous and insecure but I suspect it also triggers many English people's deeply suppressed anxieties. They're all too happy to shoot the messenger to return to instant peace of mind.

    Then, when laws surrounding this stuff come up for review. The case study everyone will talk about will be like my friend's experience, who is marrying a girl only the most stereotypically vile racists would object to coming to the UK; and they will comment on how harsh the system is. Thereby giving themselves a sense of security, goodwill and that, totally insanely, she is representative so everything will be alright.

    Also, massive remittances transferred to Pakistan keep many a Pakistani family alive.

    There is enormous pressure on the typical unemployed Pakistani lout to impose himself upon England and become one of those gilded, fabled big ‘remittance men’.

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  19. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    and yet the Labor Party PM Tony Blair signed onto Bush's war in Iraq and committed many British troops...... A war that killed 1 million, while displacing, injuring, widowing, and orphaning millions more......

    Rather odd.........

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgs-EXLKX2I

    I wonder why he'd ignore grooming gangs in the UK, while fervently supporting an exceptionally bloody war on a random nation.

    Just looking at that face makes me sick.

    Apart from turning Britain into a black/brown nation, Blair’s ultimate legacy will be keeping the Labour Party out of power for at least 30 years.

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  20. nebulafox says:
    @Tyrion 2
    And this is only Pakistani immigrants. Just from South Asia, there are larger Muslim communities in London from India and Bangladesh.

    The system could best be called pyramid migration. The pitch back home is that you get to come to the UK, claim welfare and even get married to your cousin, if you are willing to work for free in a shop or restaurant for x years.

    Hence the number of bizarre encounters one may have in small shops that have no feasible way of paying real wages where the man behind the counter speaks genuinely literally a few words of English. Which is shocking even in South Asia itself.

    Living off welfare while pretending to be paid by your uncle for standing in his shop is not the point, of course.

    Instead, once you achieve citizenship you get to bring more people over and they pay you with their indentured labour. Also, especially important is the free cradle to grave medical care. Even well-to-do migrants can't turn down free first world health care for their elderly parents, plus carers and pensions too.

    Talking about this stuff is seen as rude. It makes you sound ungenerous and insecure but I suspect it also triggers many English people's deeply suppressed anxieties. They're all too happy to shoot the messenger to return to instant peace of mind.

    Then, when laws surrounding this stuff come up for review. The case study everyone will talk about will be like my friend's experience, who is marrying a girl only the most stereotypically vile racists would object to coming to the UK; and they will comment on how harsh the system is. Thereby giving themselves a sense of security, goodwill and that, totally insanely, she is representative so everything will be alright.

    Bangladesh is no bastion of progress-see how atheist bloggers have been hacked to death there-but to their credit, I don’t think that kind of inbreeding is an issue with Bengalis anymore. Note also the birth rate difference between Bangladesh and Pakistan. One has made serious progress. The other hasn’t so much.

    Taking it even further, they most likely originate from the same area of Pakistan, Mirpur. About 2/3rds of all British Pakistanis come from there, largely imported to work in the textile industry before it went belly-up. It’s a notoriously backward place, even on regional standards: Mirpuri jokes are to subcontinentals what Appalachian or ghetto jokes are to Americans. This isn’t new, either. The mental retardation of Mirpuri children in Britain, and the costs that the British taxpayer has to choke up for them has been an issue that hat the British media has been unwilling to cover for multiple decades. Much like the Mirpuri controlled sex gangs.

    For all of America’s problems being exacerbated by the unlimited immigration our bipartisan elites are so insistent on, it could be far, far worse. Geographical proximity and colonial history is probably the biggest reason that Europe gets their underclass/working-class migrants from the Islamic World, but another is the welfare system. Think about it: unless you really have a compelling reason to go to the United States, why would you go to a country with a far greater cultural emphasis on assimilation and a pathetic welfare safety net by comparison? Emigrants interested in the United States, by contrast, tend to-although make no mistake, the 21st Century Democratic Party has trying its best to change this-be either types who have no choice (relatives, their job, etc), the educated bourgeois set, or the types of “tiger parents” willing to move heaven and hell to ensure their children will be. This isn’t a universal rule-you have groups like Somalis in Minnesota that do resemble European-esque problem minorities-but we get our working class emigrant demographic from Central America, not North Africa or the Middle East. That’s a much lesser evil.

    Effective welfare states and open immigration just don’t together, at least not in a long-term fiscally feasible way-and Democrats these days seem to be hell-bent on ignoring this basic reality. (I’m not a hypocrite: the GOP has its own denial of fiscal reality issues, especially concerning tax cuts and the military budget. But that’s another post for another time.) The reason the US has done OK so far is because the dollar is the world’s reserve currency. That’s not going to last forever. As recently as 10 years ago, that notorious RACISS Paul Krugman was willing to openly mention the basic economic incompatibility of the two in the New York Times. Now, 10 years later… well, just look at what Steve posted.

    It goes to show the age of Obama and Trump has really changed the Overton window.

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    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    I have a good friend whose family origins are in the Mirpuri elites. His father used to move area when too many of his ex-countrymen moved in. He'd purposefully choose an neighbourhood where the BNP would bother to leaflet. They lived in the North.

    His father was still an outright awful bloke but he himself is a complicated and interesting individual. His sisters, mostly thanks to him, are well adjusted and good women.

    Nonetheless, I am well familiar with Mirpur. Talk about South Asia not sending their best.

    As for how things have changed: I'm still youngish and have seen the satire of my youth become the orthodoxy of today and the process repeated a number of times already! There is now a full blown flight from reality.

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  21. Medvedev says:

    I can foresee how MSM will try to twist this data: “Native children are getting sicker, we need strong and healthy immigrant population to procreate”.
    If you dare to point out that issue is prevalent among Muslim immigrants you’ll be deemed racist and your words twisted as a hate speech.

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  22. nebulafox says:
    @Tyrion 2
    He constantly and passionately argued that it was worth British blood and treasure to help and liberate said nation. He thinks Muslims are perfect angels. It is part of his worldview. How could he have known that, absent Saddam putting heads on pikes, the Iraqis would immediately begin killing each other with reckless abandon? To be honest, it still blows my mind that this was what they took the opportunity to do.

    I can’t be the only one who thinks that Tony Blair and George W. Bush really are the same guy. Same rigid mental processes, same revolt against predecessors, same genuine belief, same unscrupulous subordinates. Hardly a wonder they got along.

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  23. El Dato says:
    @Nathan
    Yeah... how about we go ahead and remember this the next time anyone says anything about the use of depleted uranium munitions in the war on terror.

    This is pretty tasteless, and we are not bombing Pakistan either.

    Giving a whole areas super-deformed monster babies down the corridors of time is not nice. Also, the wife of the returning serviceman may get a bad case of cancer because that metal is ferried in body fluids.

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    @El Dato,

    What I was referring to were the number of insanely flawed "studies" and news reports that depleted uranium was responsible for all the birth defects in Iraq. It isn't that common a munition, and won't give the Iraqis super deformed monster babies.
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  24. Nathan says:
    @El Dato
    This is pretty tasteless, and we are not bombing Pakistan either.

    Giving a whole areas super-deformed monster babies down the corridors of time is not nice. Also, the wife of the returning serviceman may get a bad case of cancer because that metal is ferried in body fluids.

    ,

    What I was referring to were the number of insanely flawed “studies” and news reports that depleted uranium was responsible for all the birth defects in Iraq. It isn’t that common a munition, and won’t give the Iraqis super deformed monster babies.

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  25. Clyde says:

    UK Pakistanis are geniuses at bringing in arranged marriage spouses from Pakistan to up their immigration numbers. I suppose many are first cousins. What really goes on below the surface, is serious money paid by the Pakistan located family to the UK Pakistani family patriarch, for the right to legally get a family member into the UK to establish a chain migration foothold in UK.

    Denmark saw this and had the cojones to put restrictions on this.

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  26. @JohnnyWalker123
    and yet the Labor Party PM Tony Blair signed onto Bush's war in Iraq and committed many British troops...... A war that killed 1 million, while displacing, injuring, widowing, and orphaning millions more......

    Rather odd.........

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgs-EXLKX2I

    I wonder why he'd ignore grooming gangs in the UK, while fervently supporting an exceptionally bloody war on a random nation.

    Because he was told by his CIA handlers/contacts/friends/advisors/(wife?) to do so, maybe?

    And Blair was stupid enough to believe the lies about WMD in Iraq?

    That the British people themselves were against the war in Iraq was irrelevant to Tony Blair. Supermen like Blair did not need to take into account the , you know, actual wishes of the people he was sworn to represent.

    That’s why you and I will never be the chief executive of a country, JW123. We don’t big enough egos, and we’re too decent to do the things necessary to get the needed money to make it to the top of the political heap.

    But Blair did.

    It’s probably that simple.

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    I think the CIA/Deep State connection is very plausible. I think certain very powerful people told Blair that if he played ball, he'd be handsomely rewarded with good media coverage and certain financial "benefits" down the line. So Blair complied.

    Since retiring, Tony Blair has gone to amazing wealth. He's made millions of dollars, bought numerous mansions, and jetted around the world. He's made his money by giving speeches and advising large corporations. Sort of like Hillary Clinton.

    Watch the first minute of the video below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQGn8OWSDI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXnBqzzhNV8

    "A billionaire who once was a Prime Minister."

    "Tony Blair wants to be a fully paid-out member of the super rich, jet-setting, yachting club."

    "He's seen as someone who's after a fast buck."
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  27. Stick says:

    Clearly the English need to groom these women and share their DNA. Lie back and think of England.

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  28. Thirdtwin says:
    @Lurker
    You've definitely got the makings of a nursery rhyme there.

    All around the tribalist tent,
    The Paki chased his cousin,
    Their kids will all have birth defects,
    So pop out a dozen!

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  29. This is the perfect post for illustrating why the acronym should be upgraded from WEIRD to “WEIRDO”!

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  30. dearieme says:

    An acquaintance of mine gave up working with these poor little mites in London. She had to accept that they get born; what she couldn’t stomach was that the parents would have the risks explained to them and then choose to have another child who would often have much the same defects. And then another. And another.

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  31. @Roberts
    Can you breed out the defective genes with close relative marriages, or do new mutations pop up faster than they are eliminated?

    You can, but you need strong culling of the defective – like what was done with animal breeds. And you would end up with a population with less genetic diversity, which could be bad for long term survival.

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    That's right. Inbreeding is a viable breeding strategy so long as weak and sickly children are allowed to die.
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  32. @Thomm
    I wonder, how far does a conception have to go before the genetic risk declines to a negligible level? Third cousin? Fourth cousin?

    A lot of American communities (Italians, Jews, etc.) had 3rd and 4th cousin marriages, often without either party realizing it. This is unsurprising when a community emphasizes their church and in-marrying.

    Plus, a prior conversation here concluded that most people don't have 64 unique GGGG-GPs, and almost no one has 512 unique G^7 GPs. The few that do are likely to be tri-racial people like Tiger Woods, Mariah Carey, Rae Dawn Chong, etc.

    That’s a good question. Inbreeding depression exists, but then so does outbreeding depression.

    Peter Frost recently blogged about this (http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2018/05/outbreeding-not-what-you-may-think.html?m=1). To quote one part that will interest you:

    That’s what we know from data on fish and other animals. But what about our species? At what degree of relatedness do the costs of human outbreeding start to exceed the benefits? When you marry a Neanderthal? The answer may surprise you. An Icelandic study found that fertility peaks at marriages between third or fourth cousins. Fertility is lower when the prospective parents are more closely related … or less.

    Our results, drawn from all known couples of the Icelandic population born between 1800 and 1965, show a significant positive association between kinship and fertility, with the greatest reproductive success observed for couples related at the level of third and fourth cousins. Owing to the relative socioeconomic homogeneity of Icelanders, and the observation of highly significant differences in the fertility of couples separated by very fine intervals of kinship, we conclude that this association is likely to have a biological basis. (Helgason et al. 2008)

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  33. @Thomm
    I wonder, how far does a conception have to go before the genetic risk declines to a negligible level? Third cousin? Fourth cousin?

    A lot of American communities (Italians, Jews, etc.) had 3rd and 4th cousin marriages, often without either party realizing it. This is unsurprising when a community emphasizes their church and in-marrying.

    Plus, a prior conversation here concluded that most people don't have 64 unique GGGG-GPs, and almost no one has 512 unique G^7 GPs. The few that do are likely to be tri-racial people like Tiger Woods, Mariah Carey, Rae Dawn Chong, etc.

    3rd. Jewish still have issues, though, as do the Amish.

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    I wonder, though. A *lot* of third-cousin marriages have occurred over the centuries, in all communities.

    European royalty is heavily inbred. Queen E II and Prince Phillip are second cousins through one route *and* third cousins through another route.
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  34. anonymous[362] • Disclaimer says:

    Has any study been done on why totally innocent white babies grow up to be such insane, bloodthirsty, greedy, psychopathic necrophiliacs?

    I know the following link is about your cousins, but we do not find any difference between the two of you (just the latest example, so the most handy to copy/paste);

    Reminds one of the jubilation of the denizens of the evil empire when the atom bombs were dropped.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/06/settlers-celebrate-palestinian/

    Given that the number of people affected by Muslims (and their terrorist cousins) are relatively minuscule compared to the 100′s of millions who suffer and potentially die for the white man’s psychopathic tendencies, wouldn’t it be more meaningful to study this devil minion’s (quite literally) degeneracy?

    Even if your kind thus far is beyond any hope of salvation, perhaps this study could help your spawn, somewhere down the line. You owe it to them. But, if you don’t… *shrug*

    On the Day We will say to Hell, “Have you been filled?” and it will say, “Are there some more” – 50:30

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  35. Thomm says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    3rd. Jewish still have issues, though, as do the Amish.

    I wonder, though. A *lot* of third-cousin marriages have occurred over the centuries, in all communities.

    European royalty is heavily inbred. Queen E II and Prince Phillip are second cousins through one route *and* third cousins through another route.

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    Genetic issues among some of the European aristocracy was well known. Most were minor, like the Hapsburg lip, but there were more serious ones.
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  36. “meaning second cousins or more closely related”

    This statement is extremely misleading, almost to being a lie. The occasional first cousin marriage is not, unless there is a preexisting genetic disorder, ever a problem. Anyone who has seriously done their genealogy back any distance has come across first cousin marriages in their lineage.

    These people are not just “second cousins.” Meaning they share a set of great-grandparents. These people are the result of generations of cousin after cousin marriages making them not only “second cousins” in one line but “second cousins” through both their parents lines and “third cousins” and “fourth cousins” to boot. Genetically they can be more like brother and sister AND closer, brother and sister of brother and sister parents.

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  37. @TheBoom
    And this doesn't take into account the ones who live but have birth defects including mental deficiency.

    Mental deficiency? How can they tell?

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  38. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @nebulafox
    Bangladesh is no bastion of progress-see how atheist bloggers have been hacked to death there-but to their credit, I don't think that kind of inbreeding is an issue with Bengalis anymore. Note also the birth rate difference between Bangladesh and Pakistan. One has made serious progress. The other hasn't so much.

    Taking it even further, they most likely originate from the same area of Pakistan, Mirpur. About 2/3rds of all British Pakistanis come from there, largely imported to work in the textile industry before it went belly-up. It's a notoriously backward place, even on regional standards: Mirpuri jokes are to subcontinentals what Appalachian or ghetto jokes are to Americans. This isn't new, either. The mental retardation of Mirpuri children in Britain, and the costs that the British taxpayer has to choke up for them has been an issue that hat the British media has been unwilling to cover for multiple decades. Much like the Mirpuri controlled sex gangs.

    For all of America's problems being exacerbated by the unlimited immigration our bipartisan elites are so insistent on, it could be far, far worse. Geographical proximity and colonial history is probably the biggest reason that Europe gets their underclass/working-class migrants from the Islamic World, but another is the welfare system. Think about it: unless you really have a compelling reason to go to the United States, why would you go to a country with a far greater cultural emphasis on assimilation and a pathetic welfare safety net by comparison? Emigrants interested in the United States, by contrast, tend to-although make no mistake, the 21st Century Democratic Party has trying its best to change this-be either types who have no choice (relatives, their job, etc), the educated bourgeois set, or the types of "tiger parents" willing to move heaven and hell to ensure their children will be. This isn't a universal rule-you have groups like Somalis in Minnesota that do resemble European-esque problem minorities-but we get our working class emigrant demographic from Central America, not North Africa or the Middle East. That's a much lesser evil.

    Effective welfare states and open immigration just don't together, at least not in a long-term fiscally feasible way-and Democrats these days seem to be hell-bent on ignoring this basic reality. (I'm not a hypocrite: the GOP has its own denial of fiscal reality issues, especially concerning tax cuts and the military budget. But that's another post for another time.) The reason the US has done OK so far is because the dollar is the world's reserve currency. That's not going to last forever. As recently as 10 years ago, that notorious RACISS Paul Krugman was willing to openly mention the basic economic incompatibility of the two in the New York Times. Now, 10 years later... well, just look at what Steve posted.

    It goes to show the age of Obama and Trump has really changed the Overton window.

    I have a good friend whose family origins are in the Mirpuri elites. His father used to move area when too many of his ex-countrymen moved in. He’d purposefully choose an neighbourhood where the BNP would bother to leaflet. They lived in the North.

    His father was still an outright awful bloke but he himself is a complicated and interesting individual. His sisters, mostly thanks to him, are well adjusted and good women.

    Nonetheless, I am well familiar with Mirpur. Talk about South Asia not sending their best.

    As for how things have changed: I’m still youngish and have seen the satire of my youth become the orthodoxy of today and the process repeated a number of times already! There is now a full blown flight from reality.

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  39. @Hunsdon
    Is this what they mean when they say "hatefact"?

    Yes! Awkward, inconvenient, Un PC. Tsk tsk.

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  40. @Anon
    I wouldn’t assume that all excess birth defects observed in a cousin marriage are actually caused by inbreeding. If the cultural norm for native English couples is to abort fetuses with problems, while Muslim families are more comfortable with burdening the health care system with a sick kid, then there would be a spurious correlation between cousin marriage and sick kids that make it to birth and into the dataset.

    Something like Christians being more likely to be observed with a Downs Syndrome kid. I don’t know how Muslims in general feel about abortion, but I dimly recall another study like this with more details that only made sense if there was a different rate of abortion. And it struck me that a culture that is more comfortable with the birth defects of cousin marriage and also more comfortable with being on welfare, would probably be less likely to abort a fetus with expensive medical needs regardless of what the culture’s religion said.

    Anon, I have said this before, but the US inner cities could be the petri dish to test out genetic studies. With more than 70% of black births by single mothers (and truly that number pushes 100% in some neighborhoods) and mothers having multiple offspring by multiple fathers, what are the chances that people are not breeding with first cousins or, dare I say, closer relatives. Worth a study.

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  41. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    You can, but you need strong culling of the defective - like what was done with animal breeds. And you would end up with a population with less genetic diversity, which could be bad for long term survival.

    That’s right. Inbreeding is a viable breeding strategy so long as weak and sickly children are allowed to die.

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    In today's world it is a strategy to sponge off the UK's welfare state.

    The state money paid to the parents of the severely disabled, as 'the carers' allowance' is substantial, obviating the need to work. Plus you have priority council house allocation.

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  42. @Thomm
    I wonder, though. A *lot* of third-cousin marriages have occurred over the centuries, in all communities.

    European royalty is heavily inbred. Queen E II and Prince Phillip are second cousins through one route *and* third cousins through another route.

    Genetic issues among some of the European aristocracy was well known. Most were minor, like the Hapsburg lip, but there were more serious ones.

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    The classic one was the incidence of haemophilia in most of the main European royal families.
    Apparently all down to Queen Victoria.

    Said by some to have changed the course of history due to Rasputin's hold over the Russian royal family. Apparently, he was the only person able to ease the Tsarevitch's suffering.
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    @Daniel Chieh
    Genetic issues among some of the European aristocracy was well known. Most were minor, like the Hapsburg lip, but there were more serious ones.

    The classic one was the incidence of haemophilia in most of the main European royal families.
    Apparently all down to Queen Victoria.

    Said by some to have changed the course of history due to Rasputin’s hold over the Russian royal family. Apparently, he was the only person able to ease the Tsarevitch’s suffering.

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  44. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    That's right. Inbreeding is a viable breeding strategy so long as weak and sickly children are allowed to die.

    In today’s world it is a strategy to sponge off the UK’s welfare state.

    The state money paid to the parents of the severely disabled, as ‘the carers’ allowance’ is substantial, obviating the need to work. Plus you have priority council house allocation.

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  45. @Paul Jolliffe
    Because he was told by his CIA handlers/contacts/friends/advisors/(wife?) to do so, maybe?

    And Blair was stupid enough to believe the lies about WMD in Iraq?

    That the British people themselves were against the war in Iraq was irrelevant to Tony Blair. Supermen like Blair did not need to take into account the , you know, actual wishes of the people he was sworn to represent.

    That's why you and I will never be the chief executive of a country, JW123. We don't big enough egos, and we're too decent to do the things necessary to get the needed money to make it to the top of the political heap.

    But Blair did.

    It's probably that simple.

    I think the CIA/Deep State connection is very plausible. I think certain very powerful people told Blair that if he played ball, he’d be handsomely rewarded with good media coverage and certain financial “benefits” down the line. So Blair complied.

    Since retiring, Tony Blair has gone to amazing wealth. He’s made millions of dollars, bought numerous mansions, and jetted around the world. He’s made his money by giving speeches and advising large corporations. Sort of like Hillary Clinton.

    Watch the first minute of the video below.

    “A billionaire who once was a Prime Minister.”

    “Tony Blair wants to be a fully paid-out member of the super rich, jet-setting, yachting club.”

    “He’s seen as someone who’s after a fast buck.”

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