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In Bloomberg View, econ blogger Noah Smith writes:

Economics Is a Dismal Science for Women
Noah Smith
19 NOV 21, 2014 3:06 PM EST
By Noah Smith

British physicist Matt Taylor, who was involved with the Rosetta comet landing, recently found himself in the middle of a controversy about sexism and bad taste, after he was interviewed wearing a tacky shirt featuring pin-up girls toting guns. In true Internet fashion, the incident was labeled ShirtStorm, and it sparked a debate about sexism in the sciences. Taylor has since apologized, issued a series of mea culpas, and showed as much contrition as one person could for a sartorial offense. Some of his female colleagues even came to his defense.

But all of this raises a question: Why is it that the sciences look like a feminist nirvana compared with the economics profession, which seems to have a built-in bias that prevents women from advancing?

Consider this 2011 blog post by George Mason University economist Robin Hanson. Hanson writes that “gentle, silent rape” of a woman by a man causes less harm than a wife cuckolding her husband:

I [am puzzled] over why our law punishes rape far more than cuckoldry…[M]ost men would rather be raped than cuckolded…Imagine a woman was drugged into unconsciousness and then gently raped, so that she suffered no noticeable physical harm nor any memory of the event, and the rapist tried to keep the event secret…Now compare the two cases, cuckoldry and gentle silent rape.

There was no outcry whatsoever over these remarks, nor any retraction that I could find.

Noah Smith shouldn’t try to sic the Social Media Justice Warrior mob on poor Robin Hanson. Professor Hanson is a very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man who tries to come up with counterintuitive thought experiments (most of which aren’t very useful thoughts, but he means well). The most publicity he probably ever had was a 2010 New York Times article interviewing him and his wife, a nurse, about how he wants to have his head frozen when he dies, and how she thinks that’s ridiculous:

Until Cryonics Do Us Part

By KERRY HOWLEY

Published: July 7, 2010

… The provenance of this disagreement remains somewhat hazy, as neither Peggy nor her husband, Robin Hanson, can remember quite when he first announced his intention to have his brain surgically removed from his freshly vacated cadaver and preserved in liquid nitrogen. It would have been decades ago, before the two were married and before the births of their two teenage sons. With the benefit of hindsight, Robin, who is 50 and an associate professor of economics at George Mason University, will acknowledge that he should have foreseen at least some initial discomfort on the part of his girlfriend, whom he met when they were both graduate students at the University of Chicago. “I was surprised by her response,” he recalls, “but that’s because I am a nerd and not good at predicting these things.”

“Robin is the kind of nerd who is very excited about the future, an orientation evident on his C.V., which lists published articles like “Economic Growth Given Machine Intelligence” (on why robots will give us growth rates “an order of magnitude” higher than we’ve currently got), “Burning the Cosmic Commons: Evolutionary Strategies of Interstellar Colonization” (on what behaviors we can expect from extraterrestrials) and “Drift-Diffusion in Mangled Worlds Quantum Mechanics” (it’s very complicated). His enthusiasm is evident in the way he talks about these ideas, hands in the air, laughing amiably every time he brings up the distance between his own theories and those of the mainstream. If he is in a chair, the chair is moving with him.

“I’m just really terribly curious,” Robin told me in January over Skype.”

Trying to send The Mob after Hanson is pretty weaselly of Smith. Fortunately, this stuff is awfully random.

It’s striking how it’s turning into Open Season on Aspergery nerds. Various Dilberts are being targeted as the Gender Enemy Oppressing Four Billion Women. Why? Because they are socially maladroit. In reality, Robin Hanson couldn’t oppress Bambi.

 
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  1. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Professor Hanson is a very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man who tries to come up with counterintuitive thoughts (most of which aren’t very good thoughts, but he means well).

    Right. Hanson comes across as such a nice guy that it’s hard to dislike the guy and his thinking. But most of his “counterintuitive thoughts” are pretty lame, and his more sensible ideas – near vs. far, farmer vs. forager, etc. – are utterly banal.

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  2. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Gay rights activist, 66, who raised $500,000 for Obama’s re-election campaign indicted for ‘sexually abusing 15-year-old boy’ with his boyfriend in a hotel”

    “Terry Bean, 66, co-founded Human Rights Campaign and Gay And Lesbian Victory Fund before putting more than $500,000 behind Obama in 2012
    He has been charged with 2 counts of sodomy and 1 count of sex abuse
    Boyfriend, 25, also charged with abusing the 15-year-old boy in Oregon”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2844861/Gay-rights-activist-66-raised-500-000-Obama-s-election-campaign-indicted-sexually-abusing-15-year-old-boy-boyfriend-hotel.html

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  3. They should’ve let me announce the comet probe whats-its-name. It would have been a victory for women in STEM

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  4. MC says:

    On the other hand, Robin Hanson has tons of supporters in the “rationalist” internet army, and I could easily imagine the SJWs wishing they hadn’t disturbed the hornet’s nest.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Good.

    It'll be interesting to see if the Less Wrong people will stand up for one of their own.

  5. @MC
    On the other hand, Robin Hanson has tons of supporters in the "rationalist" internet army, and I could easily imagine the SJWs wishing they hadn't disturbed the hornet's nest.

    Good.

    It’ll be interesting to see if the Less Wrong people will stand up for one of their own.

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  6. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I don’t like Hanson.

    In addition, his ugly thoughts and writings about economics are dangerous.

    I hope they get him.

    Caplan too.

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  7. Jefferson says:

    ““Gay rights activist, 66, who raised $500,000 for Obama’s re-election campaign indicted for ‘sexually abusing 15-year-old boy’ with his boyfriend in a hotel”

    “Terry Bean, 66, co-founded Human Rights Campaign and Gay And Lesbian Victory Fund before putting more than $500,000 behind Obama in 2012
    He has been charged with 2 counts of sodomy and 1 count of sex abuse
    Boyfriend, 25, also charged with abusing the 15-year-old boy in Oregon”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2844861/Gay-rights-activist-66-raised-500-000-Obama-s-election-campaign-indicted-sexually-abusing-15-year-old-boy-boyfriend-hotel.html”

    Obviously in pure raw numbers there are way more adult pedophiles in the world who are Heterosexual males, but Homosexual men on a per capita basis are overrepresented among adult male pedophiles, when you factor in their small percentage of the world’s population.

    Notice that there is no Heterosexual pedophile organization version of NAMBLA. There is no NAMGLA North American Man/Girl Love Association.

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    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    There is a lesbian equivalent of NAMBLA, though. Butterfly Kisses. Wonder if Lena Dunham's a member?
  8. Bill P says:

    I have no idea why anyone is intimidated by these online mobs. What are they going to do, surround your house and burn it down?

    Honestly, men have a lot more to fear from the women living in their houses than from this telescopic hysteria.

    Matt Taylor could have defused the situation merely by saying “get a grip on yourselves; it’s just a shirt.” Maybe a few more articles would have ensued, but he could have safely ignored them and let the loudmouths have it out among themselves.

    But it is a terribly ugly shirt, and he should at least be a little ashamed of himself for wearing it on TV.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It appears that Hanson has tenure, so that's good:

    http://hanson.gmu.edu/TenureStatement.pdf

  9. @Jefferson
    "“Gay rights activist, 66, who raised $500,000 for Obama’s re-election campaign indicted for ‘sexually abusing 15-year-old boy’ with his boyfriend in a hotel”

    “Terry Bean, 66, co-founded Human Rights Campaign and Gay And Lesbian Victory Fund before putting more than $500,000 behind Obama in 2012
    He has been charged with 2 counts of sodomy and 1 count of sex abuse
    Boyfriend, 25, also charged with abusing the 15-year-old boy in Oregon”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2844861/Gay-rights-activist-66-raised-500-000-Obama-s-election-campaign-indicted-sexually-abusing-15-year-old-boy-boyfriend-hotel.html"

    Obviously in pure raw numbers there are way more adult pedophiles in the world who are Heterosexual males, but Homosexual men on a per capita basis are overrepresented among adult male pedophiles, when you factor in their small percentage of the world's population.

    Notice that there is no Heterosexual pedophile organization version of NAMBLA. There is no NAMGLA North American Man/Girl Love Association.

    There is a lesbian equivalent of NAMBLA, though. Butterfly Kisses. Wonder if Lena Dunham’s a member?

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  10. @Bill P
    I have no idea why anyone is intimidated by these online mobs. What are they going to do, surround your house and burn it down?

    Honestly, men have a lot more to fear from the women living in their houses than from this telescopic hysteria.

    Matt Taylor could have defused the situation merely by saying "get a grip on yourselves; it's just a shirt." Maybe a few more articles would have ensued, but he could have safely ignored them and let the loudmouths have it out among themselves.

    But it is a terribly ugly shirt, and he should at least be a little ashamed of himself for wearing it on TV.

    It appears that Hanson has tenure, so that’s good:

    http://hanson.gmu.edu/TenureStatement.pdf

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  11. Time to stop taking squeaky wheels’ squawks at face value — what is the use of addressing literal content of “logically self-contradictory” complaints? When they chide this Taylor fellow for “being sexist oppressor” just know that the actual biddy-scold subtext is, “You need to put on some grown-up clothes, young man”

    It’s like that Donald Glover routine re: black people using ye olde N-word irrelevantly and randomly, e.g. of a sticky seatbelt “This n-word won’t budge” — but don’t you whitefolk dare imitate this (except for Charlie Sheen who seemingly doesn’t understand the literal meaning either and therefore has permission)

    A standard Hansonite point, actually: Isn’t ever what you say, it’s how you say it

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  12. You know I am whooping these gentle rape/Hawaiian shirt/gamer harassment/Cosby raping/Ferguson looting/Adrian Peterson disciplining/Derrick Rose sandbagging newz clips like mad — 50 e-mails per minute to Members of the Media, that’s our in-house benchmark. You can’t expect it to be like Gary Condit and you luck into 2 planes flown into a building

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    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    Because Team Womyn owns the media, and Cosby being a patriarchal male relic of the "traditional America" makes a better target.
    , @Hare Krishna
    Because Team Womyn owns the media, and Cosby being a patriarchal male relic of the "traditional America" makes a better target.
  13. Jefferson says:

    “There is a lesbian equivalent of NAMBLA, though. Butterfly Kisses. Wonder if Lena Dunham’s a member?”

    Lena Dunham may look like a lesbian, but she actually dates guys. The same way the music artist Prince looks like a Gay guy, but he actually dates women.

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  14. The Bittersweet Taste of Philae’s Limited Success
    “The descent thrusters didn’t fire, failing to bind the spacecraft to the comet, preventing a recoil from the impact generated by the downwards pull of the comet’s gravity.
    The harpoons that were supposed to fire upon touch-down, anchoring the probe into the comet’s surface, also failed to fire.

    As a result, Philae bounced across the comet’s surface, eventually landing well off-target.

    Its eventual resting place came to be against a crater wall, where it receives only a quarter of the sunlight necessary to sufficiently charge it.

    all we’d have from Philae were the 60-or-so hours of powered operation that its primary battery could provide.

    Rather than choosing to make this lander solar powered, we could have chosen, instead to equip it with a nuclear-powered radioactive source.

    Too bad, because as amazing as Philae was, we could have gotten years of science out of it, rather than 60 hours.”

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Thank you for the link, The Bittersweet Taste of Philae’s Limited Success

    These have been my thoughts exactly:


    "Rather than choosing to make this lander solar powered, we could have chosen, instead to equip it with a nuclear-powered radioactive source.

    Too bad, because as amazing as Philae was, we could have gotten years of science out of it, rather than 60 hours.”

     

    The ignorant fear of nuclear power continues to hold us back.
    , @Hacienda
    So, the timeline is this then? Taylor wears victory shirt thinking the landing is complete success. He cries and apologizes after finding out about landing's failure.

    Got it. The space age is weird. Expect more weirdness to follow.

  15. Jefferson says:

    If Lena Dunham did not have that Miley Cyrus looking butch dyke haircut, I don’t think she would be bad looking. Early day Lena Dunham when she had longer more feminine looking hair is dateable in my opinion.

    Very few women look attractive with extremely short manly looking hair. Most women with that type of hair either look like lesbians or they look like they have cancer or both.

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    • Replies: @krak
    "If Lena Dunham did not have that Miley Cyrus looking butch dyke haircut, I don’t think she would be bad looking. Early day Lena Dunham when she had longer more feminine looking hair is dateable in my opinion."

    (Lena Dunham's publicist)
    , @Abe

    If Lena Dunham did not have that Miley Cyrus looking butch dyke haircut, I don’t think she would be bad looking.
     
    Let's see - potato-face, fatbody, without even consolation of the large cleavage that women of a certain weight are given. If MTV spring breakers had abducted and cruelly dragged into a tattoo parlor a juvenile manatee- it would still look better than Lena Dunham.

    Which reminds me that this is all likely confirmation of an old Steve prognostication. The telos of feminism will not be achieved until all men are browbeaten to the point where they eagerly attest (and dorks like Noah Smith, Ezra Klein, Yglesias even offer up "hard" evidence) that Lena Dunham is really, really, really HOT!
  16. @Scotty G. Vito
    You know I am whooping these gentle rape/Hawaiian shirt/gamer harassment/Cosby raping/Ferguson looting/Adrian Peterson disciplining/Derrick Rose sandbagging newz clips like mad -- 50 e-mails per minute to Members of the Media, that's our in-house benchmark. You can't expect it to be like Gary Condit and you luck into 2 planes flown into a building

    Because Team Womyn owns the media, and Cosby being a patriarchal male relic of the “traditional America” makes a better target.

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  17. @Scotty G. Vito
    You know I am whooping these gentle rape/Hawaiian shirt/gamer harassment/Cosby raping/Ferguson looting/Adrian Peterson disciplining/Derrick Rose sandbagging newz clips like mad -- 50 e-mails per minute to Members of the Media, that's our in-house benchmark. You can't expect it to be like Gary Condit and you luck into 2 planes flown into a building

    Because Team Womyn owns the media, and Cosby being a patriarchal male relic of the “traditional America” makes a better target.

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  18. David F. says:

    It’s important not confuse pedophilia with pederasty. Pedophilia specifically is primary attraction to pre-pubescent children. It is obviously highly disordered, and still considered so by most clinicians.

    Pederasty is the practice of having sexual relationships with post-pubescent boys. If one assumes that homosexuality is psychologically normal, then law is the only way to distinguish pederasty from homosexual relations with older males.

    If a man has sexual relations with an underage but physically mature girl he is charged with breaking the law. He is not seriously considered a pedophile.

    The research on pedophilia you cite is a red herring, because attraction or relations with a 15 year old boy isn’t pedophilia. It’s simply homosexuality that violates inevitably arbitrary legal age limits.

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  19. Veracitor says:

    Ugh, Noahpoofter again. Well, it won’t work very well; Hanson is too obscure.

    The real reason shirtstorm got so much traction was that space-boy’s shirt showed the ultimate red-flag to feminist bullies: it was decorated with good looking women. The eyes of men and women alike are drawn instinctively to views or even mere images of pretty women. Ugly women are constantly upstaged so they become feminists in hopes of outlawing their competition.* Yet there was space boy on TV reminding the whole effing world that successful men and pretty women go together like bread and butter. No frumpy always-angry feminist could let images of pretty girls share space-boy’s hard-earned fame.

    *Of course most feminist leaders are lesbians, but that means they are especially unattractive and especially interested in outlawing their competition– men!

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    That's a good one.
    , @Anonymous
    Yes, I don't know why he's going after Hanson, who's not a big name economist who's focused on making a name for himself, advising politicians, making media appearances, etc. He's not even interested in normal econ and political issues like most economists.
  20. @Veracitor
    Ugh, Noahpoofter again. Well, it won't work very well; Hanson is too obscure.

    The real reason shirtstorm got so much traction was that space-boy's shirt showed the ultimate red-flag to feminist bullies: it was decorated with good looking women. The eyes of men and women alike are drawn instinctively to views or even mere images of pretty women. Ugly women are constantly upstaged so they become feminists in hopes of outlawing their competition.* Yet there was space boy on TV reminding the whole effing world that successful men and pretty women go together like bread and butter. No frumpy always-angry feminist could let images of pretty girls share space-boy's hard-earned fame.

    *Of course most feminist leaders are lesbians, but that means they are especially unattractive and especially interested in outlawing their competition-- men!

    That’s a good one.

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  21. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Veracitor
    Ugh, Noahpoofter again. Well, it won't work very well; Hanson is too obscure.

    The real reason shirtstorm got so much traction was that space-boy's shirt showed the ultimate red-flag to feminist bullies: it was decorated with good looking women. The eyes of men and women alike are drawn instinctively to views or even mere images of pretty women. Ugly women are constantly upstaged so they become feminists in hopes of outlawing their competition.* Yet there was space boy on TV reminding the whole effing world that successful men and pretty women go together like bread and butter. No frumpy always-angry feminist could let images of pretty girls share space-boy's hard-earned fame.

    *Of course most feminist leaders are lesbians, but that means they are especially unattractive and especially interested in outlawing their competition-- men!

    Yes, I don’t know why he’s going after Hanson, who’s not a big name economist who’s focused on making a name for himself, advising politicians, making media appearances, etc. He’s not even interested in normal econ and political issues like most economists.

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    • Replies: @Lot

    Yes, I don’t know why he’s going after Hanson, who’s not a big name economist
     
    Because aspie guys, who want to talk in public forums about the economics of "gentle" rapes and how it is strange they are punished so much, make easy targets. I mean, how on earth could someone take offense at this?

    What Hansen seems to lack is the ability to realize when he's getting into a touchy subject that requires him to either (1) post his thoughts anonymously to avoid controversy, or (2) hide his thoughts behind a sheet of academic jargon, so that easily offended but stupid Social Justice Warrior types can't understand him. It's not like economics doesn't have plenty of academic jargon he's capable of using.

    Or maybe he just has tenure and doesn't care.
  22. “…[M]ost men would rather be raped than cuckolded…”

    Uhh, no. I don’t think so.

    This is why economists aren’t real scientists. They pull a priories out of their a posteriories.

    It seems to be a popular doctorate to get nowadays, one step above Ed.D.

    Maybe Hanson could sponsor a thesis on how many cuckholders you can put in a midsize sedan. I’m sure the automotive industry would like to know.

    Women aren’t missing much if they’re being kept out of economics.

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    • Replies: @Cloudswrest
    Uhh, no. I don’t think so.

    You are wrong if polls can be believed: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/cuckoldry-vs-butt-rape/

    Imagine being cheated out of hundreds of thousands of dollars, even forced by law if not acted upon soon enough after birth, in addition to the embarrassment and wasted opportunity costs.

  23. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Looked at Noah “Smith” ‘s twitter…he says his grandparents were illegal immigrants from poland. Strong gaelic facial features.

    Hanson is the son of a Baptist minister.

    Hmmm…Looks like the scots-irish are trying to oppress the good guys again.

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  24. Lot says:

    While I won’t defend that column, Noah Smith is a better economist than the various open-boarders aspie libertarians at George Mason. Though I agree with the description “very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man” and would apply it to the whole group. And add: very honest.

    It is unfortunate that the alternative right seems to be infected with dumb fringe beliefs about economics, typically of the Ron Paul and Zero Hedge type involving constant warnings about imminent economic collapse and hyperinflation, sometimes with some peak oil hysteria mixed in. While the entire world’s steady demographic decline is depressing, we’re still 50 years away from being Brazil. And Brazil isn’t that bad. As for hyperinflation: they’ve been predicting it for years, and instead the Fed can’t even meet its 2% inflation target. And the BOJ has been trying and failing to stop deflation/sub 1% inflation for 23 years now.

    Krugman has a theory economic crankery is rooted in annoyance that the level of math skills needed for economic research is continuously increasing. Noah Smith is typical of this, he was a physics major at Stanford before going into econ.

    I also don’t understand the poofter comment. If he’s gay it is odd that he posts a bunch of sexy cowgirl photos on his blog.

    His most recent entry lists non-fiction books he likes, and he greatly praises Pinker and Murray. We can disagree with him, but ought to stay civil to a very bright potential dark enlightenment recruit.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Noah is very smart and energetic, but a "potential dark enlightenment recruit"? I don't know about that. As I mentioned to Steve a while back, a friend of mine is friends with him and invited both of us to a group dinner with a couple of others earlier this year. I don't remember who brought up Steve's name (had to be me or Noah, since the other three guys weren't familiar), but as soon as it came up, Noah was calling him a racist.

    Noah does have good taste in Japanese literature though (he spends his summers in Japan and speaks Japanese). He agreed when I said Haruki Murakami was overrated, and that Ryu Murakami is much better. That seems to be a minority position here, given that my local Barnes & Noble stocks Haruki and not Ryu (whose From The Fatherland, With Love is sort of like a Japanese version of Red Dawn).
    , @grey enlightenment
    That's why I prefer reality than the make believe world of hyperinflation on zerohedge and other doom and gloom sites.
    , @Desiderius

    Krugman has a theory economic crankery is rooted in annoyance that the level of math skills needed for economic research is continuously increasing. Noah Smith is typical of this, he was a physics major at Stanford before going into econ.
     
    There's an underlying assumption here that could bear examination, to put it as gently as I can.

    His most recent entry lists non-fiction books he likes, and he greatly praises Pinker and Murray. We can disagree with him, but ought to stay civil to a very bright potential dark enlightenment recruit.
     
    If its the dark enlightenment you're recruiting for, civility per se would be counterproductive. That's one of the things that makes it dark.
    , @Anonymous
    various open-boarders aspie libertarians at George Mason. Though I agree with the description “very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man” and would apply it to the whole group. And add: very honest.

    Rrright. Tyler Cowen. Bryan Caplan. Very honest. Can't give a better description. Brilliant thinking.
    , @Anonymous
    If you've been following his blog, you should know that he's a very liberal, open borders extremist. He's a neo-liberal of sorts - a Cultural Marxist who thinks capitalism is good in part because it can advance Cultural Marxism.

    He expresses this pretty frequently, so I don't know how you're unaware of it. He's also big on promoting immigration and Cultural Marxism for Japan.
  25. @Hippopotamusdrome
    The Bittersweet Taste of Philae’s Limited Success
    "The descent thrusters didn’t fire, failing to bind the spacecraft to the comet, preventing a recoil from the impact generated by the downwards pull of the comet’s gravity.
    The harpoons that were supposed to fire upon touch-down, anchoring the probe into the comet’s surface, also failed to fire.

    As a result, Philae bounced across the comet’s surface, eventually landing well off-target.

    Its eventual resting place came to be against a crater wall, where it receives only a quarter of the sunlight necessary to sufficiently charge it.

    all we’d have from Philae were the 60-or-so hours of powered operation that its primary battery could provide.

    Rather than choosing to make this lander solar powered, we could have chosen, instead to equip it with a nuclear-powered radioactive source.

    Too bad, because as amazing as Philae was, we could have gotten years of science out of it, rather than 60 hours."

    Thank you for the link, The Bittersweet Taste of Philae’s Limited Success

    These have been my thoughts exactly:

    “Rather than choosing to make this lander solar powered, we could have chosen, instead to equip it with a nuclear-powered radioactive source.

    Too bad, because as amazing as Philae was, we could have gotten years of science out of it, rather than 60 hours.”

    The ignorant fear of nuclear power continues to hold us back.

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  26. Lot says:
    @Anonymous
    Yes, I don't know why he's going after Hanson, who's not a big name economist who's focused on making a name for himself, advising politicians, making media appearances, etc. He's not even interested in normal econ and political issues like most economists.

    Yes, I don’t know why he’s going after Hanson, who’s not a big name economist

    Because aspie guys, who want to talk in public forums about the economics of “gentle” rapes and how it is strange they are punished so much, make easy targets. I mean, how on earth could someone take offense at this?

    What Hansen seems to lack is the ability to realize when he’s getting into a touchy subject that requires him to either (1) post his thoughts anonymously to avoid controversy, or (2) hide his thoughts behind a sheet of academic jargon, so that easily offended but stupid Social Justice Warrior types can’t understand him. It’s not like economics doesn’t have plenty of academic jargon he’s capable of using.

    Or maybe he just has tenure and doesn’t care.

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    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    re: Aspie guys make easy targets. Case in point: Jim Watson. Maybe they should become a protected minority?
    , @Anonymous
    @Lot
    Hanson opposes esotericism.
    , @Anonymous

    [On Noah Smith:] We can disagree with him, but ought to stay civil to a very bright potential dark enlightenment recruit . . .He’s pretenure at a public university in the NYC metro area. Of course he’s can’t say nice things about Steve in front of people he just met or doesn’t know well and trust . . . [On Robin Hanson] Though I agree with the description “very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man” and would apply it to the whole [GM Econ Dept]. And add: very honest . . . What Hansen seems to lack is the ability to realize when he’s getting into a touchy subject that requires him to either (1) post his thoughts anonymously to avoid controversy, or (2) hide his thoughts behind a sheet of academic jargon
     
    You really should stop. These comments are painful to read in their up is downism, and you are hurting your credibility with anyone who can think.

    Noah Smith is a tiresome center leftoid of moderate intelligence (for an economist). He never says anything insightful. Obviously, like all Tribesmen, he knows shvartzes are dumb and that blank slatism is false. The Murray and Pinker cites are: "I'm in on the joke, guys!" If anything, they are tacky in their clumsiness.

    Cowen, Caplan, and Hanson are obviously dishonest clowns, hirelings of the Koch Department of Economics. Cowen (but not the other two) dog whistles now and then in the Stevospere's direction. Presumably, he does this because his "base" is internet geeks, and a lot of them are Steve readers. Seeing the fawning gratitude which follows these dog whistles is almost as nauseating as seeing pro-lifers voting for Republicans. None of them are anti-PC. Actually, it's possible that Caplan is mentally ill rather than dishonest.

    Hanson is trying (and failing in a depressingly incompetent way) to do the David Friedman, messianic rabbi of libertarian nerds, thing. He knows exactly what he is doing. He is just bad at it. Even Eliezer Yudkowski is better at it.
  27. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I do love Hanson’s tone deafness. GMU’s Econ dept is peopled with Aspergy types.

    Google “The hostile wife phenomenon in cryonics.”

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  28. Steve,

    I knew Robin in the late ’80s — a friend of a friend.

    Your characterization is spot-on:
    >Professor Hanson is a very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man who tries to come up with counterintuitive thought experiments (most of which aren’t very useful thoughts, but he means well).

    I will say that it can be fiendishly difficult sometimes to explain why his thought experiments are misleading: I think stimulating that sort of thinking is enough to satisfy Robin.

    I’m glad he has a wife and kids.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

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  29. “[M]ost men would rather be raped than cuckolded”

    He should have been picketed by MRAs! What an insane statement.

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  30. krak says:
    @Jefferson
    If Lena Dunham did not have that Miley Cyrus looking butch dyke haircut, I don't think she would be bad looking. Early day Lena Dunham when she had longer more feminine looking hair is dateable in my opinion.

    Very few women look attractive with extremely short manly looking hair. Most women with that type of hair either look like lesbians or they look like they have cancer or both.

    “If Lena Dunham did not have that Miley Cyrus looking butch dyke haircut, I don’t think she would be bad looking. Early day Lena Dunham when she had longer more feminine looking hair is dateable in my opinion.”

    (Lena Dunham’s publicist)

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  31. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I’ve always said that a distinguishing characteristic of the hard left is that they absolutely have no sense of humor – and therefore, by extension, you can be damn sure that they have no real humanity, despite the way they shout and scream about their self-styled devotion to ‘human rights’.

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  32. Justin says:

    I really like Hanson’s website. Hanson is kind of like Steve in a subtle way. Both enjoy pointing out (apparent) hypocrisy that is generally overlooked, and puzzling over what causes that hypocrisy. The difference is that Steve sticks to concrete examples while Hanson is more abstract. Of course one of the few times Hanson actually tried to use a concrete analogy (cuckolding vs. rape) he gets kvetched at.

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  33. oyvey says:

    I think Robin Hanson should volunteer to getting “gently” raped up the ass to prove his assertion. Let’s see how he likes it.

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  34. matt says:

    If ever there were a mob worth joining, its target would be libertarian economists who devise “thought experiments” about “gentle, silent rape.”

    The guy’s a moron. I don’t think he should be fired, because, unlike libertarian economists, I’m a stickler for labor protections. But he deserves everything they throw at him short of that.

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  35. burson says:

    I recently came across an article where these people are trying to smear N.Tesla as a misogynist>>http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/why-nikola-tesla-is-an-unlikely-hero-to-mens-rights-act-1661132299
    It’s a commentary on a 1924 Galveston Daily News interview with excerpts. I was just dumbfounded by how the autor twisted the poor mans words. There is a link to the original 1924 interview. Worth a read!

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  36. bjdubbs says:

    Smith also went after Steve Hsu as a racial intelligence crimethinker. Japan is also lucky to have Smith offering advice on pretty much everything.

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  37. @bjdubbs
    Smith also went after Steve Hsu as a racial intelligence crimethinker. Japan is also lucky to have Smith offering advice on pretty much everything.

    Smith has a lot of issues.

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  38. OT:
    This news story weaves together at least five of the current hot topics of the day: catcalling, sleeve tattoos, hipsters, social media crowd dynamics, and not noticing race :

    Man is viciously stabbed NINE TIMES for asking a man to stop catcalling his girlfriend

    Ben Schwartz, 31, of San Francisco was brutally stabbed nine times after asking an unidentified suspect to stop catcalling his girlfriend

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2843675/Man-brutally-stabbed-NINE-TIMES-kindly-asking-man-stop-catcalling-girlfriend.html

    and:

    http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/S-F-man-stabbed-by-catcaller-has-history-of-kind-5906877.php#photo-7168441

    The suspect’s car had a colour but the suspect himself somehow did not. It was probably one of those misogynist White tech workers from nearby Silicon Valley.

    Saavedra said she hopes the man who attacked Schwartz will be brought to justice — and removed from the streets, where he poses a danger to the public.

    “Street harassment is definitely more dangerous than people think it is,” she said. “A point my fiance brought up was you know this isn’t the first time this man has stabbed someone, or acted out in this way. To be that angry and aggressive and mentally unstable, that is just terrifying to think about.”

    She hopes the dangerous suspect is caught but I guess it’s still more important to avoid racial stereotyping than to describe him to the public.

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    Even during the day, that neighborhood (Tenderloin) is full of mentally-ill homeless (90% black) and drug dealers (100% black).

    Fortunately it has shrunk in size to just a few blocks of urban wasteland, and continues to shrink as hipsters like this who can't afford to live elsewhere in SF (he is a server at a fancy restaurant) move in and displace the drug addicts living in SROs.

    One thing Gavin Newsome did when he was mayor is stop the city from giving cash welfare (called general assistance and required by the California Constitution). Instead he put it into housing subsidies, but with SF prices that effectively meant that 10 bums that used to get $210 a month in cash welfare was transformed to 1 bum gets a free apartment (and is kicked out if he becomes a nuisance and replaced by someone on the waiting list) and 9 lose their stream of free cash, and a major reason to stay in SF.
  39. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Lot
    While I won't defend that column, Noah Smith is a better economist than the various open-boarders aspie libertarians at George Mason. Though I agree with the description "very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man" and would apply it to the whole group. And add: very honest.

    It is unfortunate that the alternative right seems to be infected with dumb fringe beliefs about economics, typically of the Ron Paul and Zero Hedge type involving constant warnings about imminent economic collapse and hyperinflation, sometimes with some peak oil hysteria mixed in. While the entire world's steady demographic decline is depressing, we're still 50 years away from being Brazil. And Brazil isn't that bad. As for hyperinflation: they've been predicting it for years, and instead the Fed can't even meet its 2% inflation target. And the BOJ has been trying and failing to stop deflation/sub 1% inflation for 23 years now.

    Krugman has a theory economic crankery is rooted in annoyance that the level of math skills needed for economic research is continuously increasing. Noah Smith is typical of this, he was a physics major at Stanford before going into econ.

    I also don't understand the poofter comment. If he's gay it is odd that he posts a bunch of sexy cowgirl photos on his blog.

    His most recent entry lists non-fiction books he likes, and he greatly praises Pinker and Murray. We can disagree with him, but ought to stay civil to a very bright potential dark enlightenment recruit.

    Noah is very smart and energetic, but a “potential dark enlightenment recruit”? I don’t know about that. As I mentioned to Steve a while back, a friend of mine is friends with him and invited both of us to a group dinner with a couple of others earlier this year. I don’t remember who brought up Steve’s name (had to be me or Noah, since the other three guys weren’t familiar), but as soon as it came up, Noah was calling him a racist.

    Noah does have good taste in Japanese literature though (he spends his summers in Japan and speaks Japanese). He agreed when I said Haruki Murakami was overrated, and that Ryu Murakami is much better. That seems to be a minority position here, given that my local Barnes & Noble stocks Haruki and not Ryu (whose From The Fatherland, With Love is sort of like a Japanese version of Red Dawn).

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    it's pretty obvious he is a SJW type. The only part I agree with him about is inflation , but he's a hardened liberal
    , @spandrell
    Noah Smith is if anything the most aspie of them all, his Japanese is atrocious, and Ryu Murakami sucks as much as Haruki. It's lame pop fiction that no adult should be reading.
    , @Simone Simonini
    So Noah is a weeaboo on top of all his other flaws. Unsurprising.

    Anyway, it's a stretch to call either Noah or Hanson an economist. I don't think Hanson ever published in real econ journals, and Noah hasn't published anything at all.
    , @Lot
    Dave don't be so uncharitable here. He's pretenure at a public university in the NYC metro area. Of course he's can't say nice things about Steve in front of people he just met or doesn't know well and trust.

    I'm more encouraged he's aware of him. Dislike, possible feigned dislike, beats genuine obscurity!
    , @Kevin
    Haruki Murakami is infinitely better than the deservedly obscure Ryu. Haruki's work is very uneven and repetetive - but WUBC was a masterpiece by any standard. Saying Ryu is better is only to show you're "cool" and don't think like other people. Meh.
  40. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Robin Hanson’s work on (among other things) combinatorial prediction markets will be relevant quite soon. We’ll have to wait for a few years to see what his intellectual legacy is, but I think it is premature to dismiss his thoughts. They’ve been useful to me.

    - A Friend

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  41. @Lot
    While I won't defend that column, Noah Smith is a better economist than the various open-boarders aspie libertarians at George Mason. Though I agree with the description "very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man" and would apply it to the whole group. And add: very honest.

    It is unfortunate that the alternative right seems to be infected with dumb fringe beliefs about economics, typically of the Ron Paul and Zero Hedge type involving constant warnings about imminent economic collapse and hyperinflation, sometimes with some peak oil hysteria mixed in. While the entire world's steady demographic decline is depressing, we're still 50 years away from being Brazil. And Brazil isn't that bad. As for hyperinflation: they've been predicting it for years, and instead the Fed can't even meet its 2% inflation target. And the BOJ has been trying and failing to stop deflation/sub 1% inflation for 23 years now.

    Krugman has a theory economic crankery is rooted in annoyance that the level of math skills needed for economic research is continuously increasing. Noah Smith is typical of this, he was a physics major at Stanford before going into econ.

    I also don't understand the poofter comment. If he's gay it is odd that he posts a bunch of sexy cowgirl photos on his blog.

    His most recent entry lists non-fiction books he likes, and he greatly praises Pinker and Murray. We can disagree with him, but ought to stay civil to a very bright potential dark enlightenment recruit.

    That’s why I prefer reality than the make believe world of hyperinflation on zerohedge and other doom and gloom sites.

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  42. @Dave Pinsen
    Noah is very smart and energetic, but a "potential dark enlightenment recruit"? I don't know about that. As I mentioned to Steve a while back, a friend of mine is friends with him and invited both of us to a group dinner with a couple of others earlier this year. I don't remember who brought up Steve's name (had to be me or Noah, since the other three guys weren't familiar), but as soon as it came up, Noah was calling him a racist.

    Noah does have good taste in Japanese literature though (he spends his summers in Japan and speaks Japanese). He agreed when I said Haruki Murakami was overrated, and that Ryu Murakami is much better. That seems to be a minority position here, given that my local Barnes & Noble stocks Haruki and not Ryu (whose From The Fatherland, With Love is sort of like a Japanese version of Red Dawn).

    it’s pretty obvious he is a SJW type. The only part I agree with him about is inflation , but he’s a hardened liberal

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  43. Bill P says:

    Consider this 2011 blog post by George Mason University economist Robin Hanson. Hanson writes that “gentle, silent rape” of a woman by a man causes less harm than a wife cuckolding her husband…

    Wait a minute, I overlooked that part.

    This was the subject of one of Roissy/Heartiste’s more memorable posts: Cuckoldry vs. Butt Rape (12/09).

    I’ll bet Hanson read that. Heartiste actually started the discussion back in 2007, when he first began calling cuckoldry “female rape,” which is pretty accurate from a biological perspective. Hard to believe it now, but it was kind of a novel idea back then.

    Maybe all this recent acting out is a sign that feminism no longer has the same broad support it had as recently as the Bush administration. Things have changed considerably over the last decade in that regard.

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  44. josh says:

    Imagine how pathetically weak would be Tyler Cowen’s half-hearted semi-defense of his friend.

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  45. Hacienda says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    The Bittersweet Taste of Philae’s Limited Success
    "The descent thrusters didn’t fire, failing to bind the spacecraft to the comet, preventing a recoil from the impact generated by the downwards pull of the comet’s gravity.
    The harpoons that were supposed to fire upon touch-down, anchoring the probe into the comet’s surface, also failed to fire.

    As a result, Philae bounced across the comet’s surface, eventually landing well off-target.

    Its eventual resting place came to be against a crater wall, where it receives only a quarter of the sunlight necessary to sufficiently charge it.

    all we’d have from Philae were the 60-or-so hours of powered operation that its primary battery could provide.

    Rather than choosing to make this lander solar powered, we could have chosen, instead to equip it with a nuclear-powered radioactive source.

    Too bad, because as amazing as Philae was, we could have gotten years of science out of it, rather than 60 hours."

    So, the timeline is this then? Taylor wears victory shirt thinking the landing is complete success. He cries and apologizes after finding out about landing’s failure.

    Got it. The space age is weird. Expect more weirdness to follow.

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  46. Pretty sure I saw a poll about this rape vs cuckoldry on some Manosphere blog somewhere – it was like 80% in favor of rape with thousands of voters. I asked two of my friends and they agree.. doesn’t seems like a very uncommon opinion.

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    • Replies: @Simon in London
    "Pretty sure I saw a poll about this rape vs cuckoldry on some Manosphere blog somewhere – it was like 80% in favor of rape with thousands of voters. I asked two of my friends and they agree.. doesn’t seems like a very uncommon opinion."

    I can imagine them voting 'cuckoldry is worse than rape' - thinking of heterosexual rape, of course.
    , @matt
    Pretty sure I saw a poll about this rape vs cuckoldry on some Manosphere blog somewhere – it was like 80% in favor of rape with thousands of voters. I asked two of my friends and they agree..

    Seems like a biased sample size. Biased towards shitty, deluded sociopaths, that is.
  47. Ezra says:

    Would there be a worse platform to launch a viral attack than Bloomberg.com? I’m trying to imagine Amanda Marcotte wading through series of columns about collective action clauses and pari passu to find something sexy enough to have a hissy fit about.

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    Funny. I actually read Bloomberg a lot for general news now that NYT is limited. (I use almost my whole NYT quota on the indispensable Krugman.) I like the general high tone, as well as helpfully suggesting business angles to non-business stories. Bloomberg Opinion is pretty bad though, country-club politically correct GOP party line crap.

    The Guardian is also good.
  48. Priss Factor [AKA "terrapin gape"] says:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/11/20/mike_nichols_dead_at_83_watch_three_of_his_best_scenes_from_the_movies_video.html

    “the sexual frankness and chilly suburban satire of The Graduate, the impassioned labor activism of Silkwood, the anguished vision of HIV-ravaged gay culture and Reagan-era indifference in Angels in America.”

    According to Libs, anti-communists in the 50s did too much, and anti-homos in the 80s did too little .
    A convenient way to ignore the fact that too many Jews were involved in communist subversion and too many homos were indulging in irresponsible high-risk sex in the 80s.

    Btw, the American Right was not indifferent. It told homos to act more responsibly. Homos gave America a middle finger and banged away and spread HIV all around. I mean Andrew Sullivan did as he ddid because he was addicted to massive fecal penetration.

    Furthermore, even if US had expended 3 times the funds as it did on HIV, a cure would have been in the future. Even today, HIV can be controlled but not eradicated.
    Even today, it spreads due to irresponsible sexual behavior.
    And if rates went down among homos, it’s because homos did begin to clean up their act and because the wildest ones were weeded out from AIDs death.

    But Political correctness shifts the blame from homo behavior(on the assumption that homos are perfect angels) to conservative ‘indifference’. This is like saying that all those rock stars who died from too much drugs and excesses were the victims of conservative indifference.
    No, they did it to themselves because they willfully embraced the life of wanton hedonism, as homos in the 70s and 80s did with wild ‘sexual’ behavior.

    Homo attitude is ‘we will do as we please, and if we get sick as a result, YOU better come up with a cure for it.’ So, they are never to blame no matter what they do. It’s their right to create problems, and it’s OUR responsibility to fix their problems. It’s like blacks burning down cities to celebrate a ball game and then blaming whitey for not rebuilding what was destroyed. It’s like Wall Street scum messing up the economy through wild speculation and then blaming the government of not doing enough to save what is ‘too big to fail’. Jews on Wall Street and homos in San Fran are too sacred to be blamed for anything.
    Did Rock Hudson and Roy Cohn get HIV because Jerry Falwell disapproved of homosexuality or because they had fecal penetrative ‘sex’ with dozens of men who had the same with dozens of other men? But blame Falwell for not caring. So, if I don’t care if some guy smokes too much, I am to blame for his over-smoking. And we are all to blame for not coming up with a cure for lung cancer.

    Stevens is just a PC twerp who mindlessly spews out the same drivel to win approval from the urban Lib gentry crowd.

    If you get lung cancer from smoking too much, don’t blame us for indifference. If you get too fat and stuck with heart disease, don’t blame us for indifference. My indifference didn’t make someone eat like a pig. His/her gluttony did. Homos got sick from buttony. They had to screw another butt and then another and etc.

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  49. Hetman says:

    “What Hansen seems to lack is the ability to realize when he’s getting into a touchy subject that requires him to either (1) post his thoughts anonymously to avoid controversy, or (2) hide his thoughts behind a sheet of academic jargon, so that easily offended but stupid Social Justice Warrior types can’t understand him. It’s not like economics doesn’t have plenty of academic jargon he’s capable of using.”

    Maybe he just doesn’t care that much about political correctness?? Ever considered that? But I admit I don’t read Hanson, so I don’t know.

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  50. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:

    Cryonics can attract some unusual people, but Robin has a surprisingly ordinary life compared with Martine Rothblatt, at least by outward appearances: Robin has stayed married to a racially appropriate woman he met in college over thirty years ago, and he formed a family with her. His futurist radicalism, if you could call it that, has remained pretty much an academic exercise.

    Cryonics has a reputation as a rich white guy’s thing, even though mostly middle class men have signed up by using life insurance as the funding mechanism. I’ve wondered why the stereotype hasn’t attracted the attention of (1) female SJW’s and (2) adventuresses, the delightful, nearly archaic word Sailer has helped to bring back into common usage.

    Cryonics’ rich white guy reputation should push the FSJW’s buttons about inequality, patriarchy and the lack of vibrancy.

    And its reputation as a magnet for wealth should make adventuresses curious about cryonics gatherings as a source for lonely men with money who might like some female companionship.

    Instead nothing of the sort has happened. In practice cryonics acts like “female Kryptonite,” and a few cryonicists have written about this over the years. Refer to this example:

    http://www.evidencebasedcryonics.org/is-that-what-love-is-the-hostile-wife-phenomenon-in-cryonics/

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  51. Hetman says:

    “It’s striking how it’s turning into Open Season on Aspergery nerds.”

    I don’t like those aspergery comments, I know it’s supposed to be funny. But accusing someone of having asperger because he has some weird ideas (and is not afraid to put them in writing) is in bad taste in my opinion. From what I have read about it, it is a serious disorder.

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  52. Some Millennials i knew liked to play a parlour game called “would you rather” in which was posed, Would you rather this or would you rather that?

    Of course neither option was ever pleasant. But the choice between being raped or being cuckolded, might have done for a thoughtful round and airy reprieve.

    Somehow this recollects that special pleading, that feminist fav, that no crime a person might experience, is worse that that of a woman being raped. Really? would you rather be raped or would you rather your hands sawed off.

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    I don't think twitterstorms involve a lot of deep thought at all. They're about getting thousands of people to have an angry, visceral reaction and respond angrily, in a way that triggers still more people following them to anger.

    In Smith's article, he's not engaging with the philosophical question Hanson was posing, he was just pointing, sputtering, and declaring it evidence of the sexism in economics. For all I know, economics is seething with sexism, but this thought experiment is no more evidence for that claim than moral philosophers' speculation about pushing fat guys in front of trolleys is evidence of the deep fat-shaming tendencies of academic philosophers.
  53. @Lot
    While I won't defend that column, Noah Smith is a better economist than the various open-boarders aspie libertarians at George Mason. Though I agree with the description "very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man" and would apply it to the whole group. And add: very honest.

    It is unfortunate that the alternative right seems to be infected with dumb fringe beliefs about economics, typically of the Ron Paul and Zero Hedge type involving constant warnings about imminent economic collapse and hyperinflation, sometimes with some peak oil hysteria mixed in. While the entire world's steady demographic decline is depressing, we're still 50 years away from being Brazil. And Brazil isn't that bad. As for hyperinflation: they've been predicting it for years, and instead the Fed can't even meet its 2% inflation target. And the BOJ has been trying and failing to stop deflation/sub 1% inflation for 23 years now.

    Krugman has a theory economic crankery is rooted in annoyance that the level of math skills needed for economic research is continuously increasing. Noah Smith is typical of this, he was a physics major at Stanford before going into econ.

    I also don't understand the poofter comment. If he's gay it is odd that he posts a bunch of sexy cowgirl photos on his blog.

    His most recent entry lists non-fiction books he likes, and he greatly praises Pinker and Murray. We can disagree with him, but ought to stay civil to a very bright potential dark enlightenment recruit.

    Krugman has a theory economic crankery is rooted in annoyance that the level of math skills needed for economic research is continuously increasing. Noah Smith is typical of this, he was a physics major at Stanford before going into econ.

    There’s an underlying assumption here that could bear examination, to put it as gently as I can.

    His most recent entry lists non-fiction books he likes, and he greatly praises Pinker and Murray. We can disagree with him, but ought to stay civil to a very bright potential dark enlightenment recruit.

    If its the dark enlightenment you’re recruiting for, civility per se would be counterproductive. That’s one of the things that makes it dark.

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    If its the dark enlightenment you’re recruiting for, civility per se would be counterproductive. That’s one of the things that makes it dark.
     
    Why not? I mean, we have our sworn SPLC/Tim Wise type enemies and we can be mean to them I suppose. But Smith encourages people to read Charles Murray! For a untenured academic, this is about as direct as he can be about his sympathies.

    I think the two things that hurts DE recruitment the most is the general antisocial and depressing tone many have, and secondly antisemitism, which most people (correctly) consider extremely evil and sign of paranoid type mental illness, as well as extremely low class.

    Steve is so valuable because he breaks free of this, and his blog has a typically cheerful and pleasant tone, coming across as a late-boomer suburban dad, not a weirdo libeling people from his parents' basement.

    What I think is most effective for DE is plain, dry, anti-egalitarian statistics, presented in a neutral or possibly regretful tone. My compiling racial Section 8 statistics for Chicago and Dubuque, IA here is a model of this. Explain the numbers, defend their accuracy, defend their importance, and let the reader draw their own conclusions.
  54. spandrell says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    Noah is very smart and energetic, but a "potential dark enlightenment recruit"? I don't know about that. As I mentioned to Steve a while back, a friend of mine is friends with him and invited both of us to a group dinner with a couple of others earlier this year. I don't remember who brought up Steve's name (had to be me or Noah, since the other three guys weren't familiar), but as soon as it came up, Noah was calling him a racist.

    Noah does have good taste in Japanese literature though (he spends his summers in Japan and speaks Japanese). He agreed when I said Haruki Murakami was overrated, and that Ryu Murakami is much better. That seems to be a minority position here, given that my local Barnes & Noble stocks Haruki and not Ryu (whose From The Fatherland, With Love is sort of like a Japanese version of Red Dawn).

    Noah Smith is if anything the most aspie of them all, his Japanese is atrocious, and Ryu Murakami sucks as much as Haruki. It’s lame pop fiction that no adult should be reading.

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    I've only read From The Fatherland, With Love, but I thought it was the best book I read this year. I don't fault it for being a page-turner.

    As for Haruki, I thought 1Q84 was mostly entertaining but overrated, and the Wind-Up Bird Chronicle an overrated slog.

    Can't comment on Smith's Japanese.
  55. FredR says:

    “We can disagree with him, but ought to stay civil to a very bright potential dark enlightenment recruit.”

    LOL

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  56. Abe says: • Website
    @Jefferson
    If Lena Dunham did not have that Miley Cyrus looking butch dyke haircut, I don't think she would be bad looking. Early day Lena Dunham when she had longer more feminine looking hair is dateable in my opinion.

    Very few women look attractive with extremely short manly looking hair. Most women with that type of hair either look like lesbians or they look like they have cancer or both.

    If Lena Dunham did not have that Miley Cyrus looking butch dyke haircut, I don’t think she would be bad looking.

    Let’s see – potato-face, fatbody, without even consolation of the large cleavage that women of a certain weight are given. If MTV spring breakers had abducted and cruelly dragged into a tattoo parlor a juvenile manatee- it would still look better than Lena Dunham.

    Which reminds me that this is all likely confirmation of an old Steve prognostication. The telos of feminism will not be achieved until all men are browbeaten to the point where they eagerly attest (and dorks like Noah Smith, Ezra Klein, Yglesias even offer up “hard” evidence) that Lena Dunham is really, really, really HOT!

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  57. @Dave Pinsen
    Noah is very smart and energetic, but a "potential dark enlightenment recruit"? I don't know about that. As I mentioned to Steve a while back, a friend of mine is friends with him and invited both of us to a group dinner with a couple of others earlier this year. I don't remember who brought up Steve's name (had to be me or Noah, since the other three guys weren't familiar), but as soon as it came up, Noah was calling him a racist.

    Noah does have good taste in Japanese literature though (he spends his summers in Japan and speaks Japanese). He agreed when I said Haruki Murakami was overrated, and that Ryu Murakami is much better. That seems to be a minority position here, given that my local Barnes & Noble stocks Haruki and not Ryu (whose From The Fatherland, With Love is sort of like a Japanese version of Red Dawn).

    So Noah is a weeaboo on top of all his other flaws. Unsurprising.

    Anyway, it’s a stretch to call either Noah or Hanson an economist. I don’t think Hanson ever published in real econ journals, and Noah hasn’t published anything at all.

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    That isn't saying much when you consider the publishing process takes an eternity and 99.9% of papers are filler/minutia to get promotion and pad CV.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    I think he's actually a finance prof., and he went into finance because he thought economics in general was kind of bogus.

    Incidentally, Emanuel Derman, who is a finance pioneer, has a PhD in physics.

  58. I [am puzzled] over why our law punishes rape far more than cuckoldry…[M]ost men would rather be raped than cuckolded…Imagine a woman was drugged into unconsciousness and then gently raped, so that she suffered no noticeable physical harm nor any memory of the event, and the rapist tried to keep the event secret…Now compare the two cases, cuckoldry and gentle silent rape.

    What we don’t know doesn’t hurt us.

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  59. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    While I won't defend that column, Noah Smith is a better economist than the various open-boarders aspie libertarians at George Mason. Though I agree with the description "very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man" and would apply it to the whole group. And add: very honest.

    It is unfortunate that the alternative right seems to be infected with dumb fringe beliefs about economics, typically of the Ron Paul and Zero Hedge type involving constant warnings about imminent economic collapse and hyperinflation, sometimes with some peak oil hysteria mixed in. While the entire world's steady demographic decline is depressing, we're still 50 years away from being Brazil. And Brazil isn't that bad. As for hyperinflation: they've been predicting it for years, and instead the Fed can't even meet its 2% inflation target. And the BOJ has been trying and failing to stop deflation/sub 1% inflation for 23 years now.

    Krugman has a theory economic crankery is rooted in annoyance that the level of math skills needed for economic research is continuously increasing. Noah Smith is typical of this, he was a physics major at Stanford before going into econ.

    I also don't understand the poofter comment. If he's gay it is odd that he posts a bunch of sexy cowgirl photos on his blog.

    His most recent entry lists non-fiction books he likes, and he greatly praises Pinker and Murray. We can disagree with him, but ought to stay civil to a very bright potential dark enlightenment recruit.

    various open-boarders aspie libertarians at George Mason. Though I agree with the description “very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man” and would apply it to the whole group. And add: very honest.

    Rrright. Tyler Cowen. Bryan Caplan. Very honest. Can’t give a better description. Brilliant thinking.

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    They can be honest and wrong. I think they're both.

    They don't produce any groundbreaking econ research, but they do an OK job of expressing economic ideas and analysis in language normal smart people can understand.

    The big "intellectual honesty" question for public intellectuals in my opinion is IQ egalitarianism, and my somewhat limited reading of their works suggests they neither believe nor promote it.

    Like the other commenter above, I am also happy to see they are mostly married with multiple children. It is nice to see high-IQ fertility in men who don't exactly have smooth lady-friendly personalities.
  60. Cryonics can attract some unusual people, but Robin has a surprisingly ordinary life compared with Martine Rothblatt,

    lol compared to him/her, I would say so . Cyonics could rational when you consider it has a non zero probability of working multiplied by the benefit of theoretically infinite life. Perhaps in the distant future the brain structure can be uploaded into a computer an clone an be created with your memories and personality, along memory implantation and memory editing

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  61. @Kaiser Schmarn
    Pretty sure I saw a poll about this rape vs cuckoldry on some Manosphere blog somewhere - it was like 80% in favor of rape with thousands of voters. I asked two of my friends and they agree.. doesn't seems like a very uncommon opinion.

    “Pretty sure I saw a poll about this rape vs cuckoldry on some Manosphere blog somewhere – it was like 80% in favor of rape with thousands of voters. I asked two of my friends and they agree.. doesn’t seems like a very uncommon opinion.”

    I can imagine them voting ‘cuckoldry is worse than rape’ – thinking of heterosexual rape, of course.

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  62. ummm says: • Website
    @Simone Simonini
    So Noah is a weeaboo on top of all his other flaws. Unsurprising.

    Anyway, it's a stretch to call either Noah or Hanson an economist. I don't think Hanson ever published in real econ journals, and Noah hasn't published anything at all.

    That isn’t saying much when you consider the publishing process takes an eternity and 99.9% of papers are filler/minutia to get promotion and pad CV.

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  63. NOTA says:

    The Hanson article was very obviously carrying out a philosophical thought experiment to try to clarify why we have such a visceral reaction to a particular crime.

    For Smith to try to smear him as a sexist based in that demonstrates something really ugly about Smith. Would his contention be that nobody must ever engage in philosophical speculations that upset people? Someone tell all the philosophers who talk about pushing fat guys in front of trolleys!

    Worse, I think Steve’s right that Smith was trying to whip up a twitter mob (much less nasty than a real one, but still enough to fill your email with hate and occasional death threats). Three hundred years ago, Smith would be the guy saying “Y’know that friendless old widow with all the cats? I heard she was a witch….” in hopes of stirring up a little lynching or witch trial action.

    This sort of thing works mainly because people react to it based on whose team is being attacked and who is doing the attacking. Smith can count on the support of a lot of otherwise decent people who dislike sexism and don’t much like weird libertarian economists, in the unlikely event he triggers some kind of twitterstorm that makes Hanson’s life really lousy for a month or two.

    I expect in a few years, this particular mania will pass. People will remember twitter storms and social media warriors and kind-of scratch their heads at how weird it was that thousands od people would start sending hateful messages to strangers, often based on something they hadn’t even bothered watching or reading, because it felt so good to be part of a big surge of righteous indignation about their favorite social justice cause. (And like participation in mob violence, the best part is that it’s all but risk free–the friendless victim usually has fe defenders and can’t fight back, so you can abuse someone with little risk that it will ever come back on you.)

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  64. NOTA says:
    @Suburban_elk
    Some Millennials i knew liked to play a parlour game called "would you rather" in which was posed, Would you rather this or would you rather that?

    Of course neither option was ever pleasant. But the choice between being raped or being cuckolded, might have done for a thoughtful round and airy reprieve.

    Somehow this recollects that special pleading, that feminist fav, that no crime a person might experience, is worse that that of a woman being raped. Really? would you rather be raped or would you rather your hands sawed off.

    I don’t think twitterstorms involve a lot of deep thought at all. They’re about getting thousands of people to have an angry, visceral reaction and respond angrily, in a way that triggers still more people following them to anger.

    In Smith’s article, he’s not engaging with the philosophical question Hanson was posing, he was just pointing, sputtering, and declaring it evidence of the sexism in economics. For all I know, economics is seething with sexism, but this thought experiment is no more evidence for that claim than moral philosophers’ speculation about pushing fat guys in front of trolleys is evidence of the deep fat-shaming tendencies of academic philosophers.

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  65. Hepp says:

    OT, but Slate has a summary of the 13 accusations against Cosby

    It looks like the same story over and over again, the drugging part makes it rape. At least some of them, though, are completely BS. I’ve determined that

    a) Bill Cosby is a rapist
    b) But the media lies and exaggerates, and at least a few of these women are liars.
    c) Stuff the would be considered normal is now seen as “sexual assault” or “rape” in light of the other allegations.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/11/21/bill_cosby_accusers_list_sexual_assault_rape_drugs_feature_in_women_s_stories.html

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  66. Cuckolding is one of the common fetishes today and it’s possible Noah Smith enjoys this fetish.

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  67. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The worst part is how he’s using Hanson as a representative of the entire field of economics. The guy’s eccentric as heck, he’s at GMU for goodness sake. Looks like NoahTenure’s giving up entirely on his academic career and gunning for a career in journalism.

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  68. Priss Factor [AKA "dna turtles"] says:

    Rules have changed but the it’s the same game.

    Rosedale:

    “The quickest way to queer oneself with the RIGHT PEOPLE is to be seen with the WRONG ONES. I wanna avoid mistakes. ” “… you see, in a deal like this, nobody comes out with perfectly clean hands. If you’re going to fight Bertha, don’t inflict an open injury. REDUCE IT TO A PRIVATE TRANSACTION… as in business… you see how simple it is… There’s no point frightening Bertha into lying. YOU HAVE TO KEEP HER THERE. That’s my part of the business…”

    This Rosedale guy is real good. He belongs in THE GODFATHER. He knows the game.

    And in our age of NSA, collecting dirt on people and blackmailing them, hidden wink-wink understandings among the elites, and etc., it’s the same game, especially with the rise of homo-inflected neo-aristocraticism. Homos love to do things on the sly. Even out of the closet, they have the closet-style. They find it more fun and elegant…. and naughty naughty.

    Back in the old days, being friendly with homos was bad form. Today, you must show that you’re chummy with some privileged homos. And those who hang with people who are critical of homo agenda are the lowlife vulgarians who don’t deserve the time of day.
    So, even rich cons cozy up to homos to win points to hang with the urban gentry.

    I haven’t read the book but only saw the film but the book reads pretty good too in this googlebook stuff.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=ij9HAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA413&lpg=PA413&dq=house+of+mirth+quickest+way+to+right+people&source=bl&ots=boKVAbQYCa&sig=nBUBY3k4fdbV-UMie4pFWVljiXA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=49pwVPSFIsWcNs62gaAG&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=house%20of%20mirth%20quickest%20way%20to%20right%20people&f=false

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  69. The academic mediocrity incapable of producing worthwhile scholarly work compensates by attacking his field for being sexist and/or racist.

    Hanson has written interesting things on health care policy.

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  70. Lot says:
    @Anonymous
    various open-boarders aspie libertarians at George Mason. Though I agree with the description “very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man” and would apply it to the whole group. And add: very honest.

    Rrright. Tyler Cowen. Bryan Caplan. Very honest. Can't give a better description. Brilliant thinking.

    They can be honest and wrong. I think they’re both.

    They don’t produce any groundbreaking econ research, but they do an OK job of expressing economic ideas and analysis in language normal smart people can understand.

    The big “intellectual honesty” question for public intellectuals in my opinion is IQ egalitarianism, and my somewhat limited reading of their works suggests they neither believe nor promote it.

    Like the other commenter above, I am also happy to see they are mostly married with multiple children. It is nice to see high-IQ fertility in men who don’t exactly have smooth lady-friendly personalities.

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  71. Priss Factor [AKA "dna turtles"] says:

    What Rosedale says in HOUSE OF MIRTH is a real zinger:

    “I’ve done very well. I’ve placed Wall Street under obligation that only Fifth Ave can repay.”

    We see the same pattern over and over. Our debts are gold to Jews.

    How did Jewish oligarchs rise in Russia from millionaires to billionaires overnight? Yeltsin needed money to win the election. Jewish millionaires were willing to lend him money–with help of Jews in the West–to bankroll his campaign. They would give him or lend him the money… in exchange for control of Russian resources. Yeltsin needed the money to win. He needed it badly, so he hocked Russia to the Jews. The biggest pawnbrokering operation in history. Nationbrokering.

    Aristocrats and wanna-be-aristocratic bourgeoisie were used to living beyond their means. When they ran out of funds, they borrowed money… in hock of their holdings, properties, and etc. And oftentimes, it was the Jews who lent the money. And when it couldn’t be repaid, Jews took the properties, and this was especially assured among Anglo types since, despite their prejudices, their sense of honor obliged them to uphold the letter of the contract.

    In consumer society, we are urged to spend and spend and then borrow and spend. So, Americans bought to spend on everything: stuff, homes, clothing, jewelry, extra cars, and etc.
    But what happens when we can’t pay? Do the banks go bust? No, that’s one sector that is never allowed to go bust since if it goes bust, lending will stop, and then the economy will collapse. So, the banks have to be bailed out by the government… which means we have hocked the government to Jews who run Wall Street.
    Jews say, ‘borrow and spend’, and we say ‘lend us more so we can spend more’. And when we’re out of money, there’s the Fed to print more money and give to the banks. No wonder the finance sector is the biggest in our economy.

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  72. Lot says:
    @Desiderius

    Krugman has a theory economic crankery is rooted in annoyance that the level of math skills needed for economic research is continuously increasing. Noah Smith is typical of this, he was a physics major at Stanford before going into econ.
     
    There's an underlying assumption here that could bear examination, to put it as gently as I can.

    His most recent entry lists non-fiction books he likes, and he greatly praises Pinker and Murray. We can disagree with him, but ought to stay civil to a very bright potential dark enlightenment recruit.
     
    If its the dark enlightenment you're recruiting for, civility per se would be counterproductive. That's one of the things that makes it dark.

    If its the dark enlightenment you’re recruiting for, civility per se would be counterproductive. That’s one of the things that makes it dark.

    Why not? I mean, we have our sworn SPLC/Tim Wise type enemies and we can be mean to them I suppose. But Smith encourages people to read Charles Murray! For a untenured academic, this is about as direct as he can be about his sympathies.

    I think the two things that hurts DE recruitment the most is the general antisocial and depressing tone many have, and secondly antisemitism, which most people (correctly) consider extremely evil and sign of paranoid type mental illness, as well as extremely low class.

    Steve is so valuable because he breaks free of this, and his blog has a typically cheerful and pleasant tone, coming across as a late-boomer suburban dad, not a weirdo libeling people from his parents’ basement.

    What I think is most effective for DE is plain, dry, anti-egalitarian statistics, presented in a neutral or possibly regretful tone. My compiling racial Section 8 statistics for Chicago and Dubuque, IA here is a model of this. Explain the numbers, defend their accuracy, defend their importance, and let the reader draw their own conclusions.

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  73. Lot says:
    @Ezra
    Would there be a worse platform to launch a viral attack than Bloomberg.com? I'm trying to imagine Amanda Marcotte wading through series of columns about collective action clauses and pari passu to find something sexy enough to have a hissy fit about.

    Funny. I actually read Bloomberg a lot for general news now that NYT is limited. (I use almost my whole NYT quota on the indispensable Krugman.) I like the general high tone, as well as helpfully suggesting business angles to non-business stories. Bloomberg Opinion is pretty bad though, country-club politically correct GOP party line crap.

    The Guardian is also good.

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  74. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Noah is very smart and energetic, but a "potential dark enlightenment recruit"? I don't know about that. As I mentioned to Steve a while back, a friend of mine is friends with him and invited both of us to a group dinner with a couple of others earlier this year. I don't remember who brought up Steve's name (had to be me or Noah, since the other three guys weren't familiar), but as soon as it came up, Noah was calling him a racist.

    Noah does have good taste in Japanese literature though (he spends his summers in Japan and speaks Japanese). He agreed when I said Haruki Murakami was overrated, and that Ryu Murakami is much better. That seems to be a minority position here, given that my local Barnes & Noble stocks Haruki and not Ryu (whose From The Fatherland, With Love is sort of like a Japanese version of Red Dawn).

    Dave don’t be so uncharitable here. He’s pretenure at a public university in the NYC metro area. Of course he’s can’t say nice things about Steve in front of people he just met or doesn’t know well and trust.

    I’m more encouraged he’s aware of him. Dislike, possible feigned dislike, beats genuine obscurity!

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  75. Lot says:
    @Chubby Ape
    OT:
    This news story weaves together at least five of the current hot topics of the day: catcalling, sleeve tattoos, hipsters, social media crowd dynamics, and not noticing race :

    Man is viciously stabbed NINE TIMES for asking a man to stop catcalling his girlfriend

    Ben Schwartz, 31, of San Francisco was brutally stabbed nine times after asking an unidentified suspect to stop catcalling his girlfriend
     

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2843675/Man-brutally-stabbed-NINE-TIMES-kindly-asking-man-stop-catcalling-girlfriend.html
    and:
    http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/S-F-man-stabbed-by-catcaller-has-history-of-kind-5906877.php#photo-7168441

    The suspect's car had a colour but the suspect himself somehow did not. It was probably one of those misogynist White tech workers from nearby Silicon Valley.


    Saavedra said she hopes the man who attacked Schwartz will be brought to justice — and removed from the streets, where he poses a danger to the public.

    “Street harassment is definitely more dangerous than people think it is,” she said. “A point my fiance brought up was you know this isn’t the first time this man has stabbed someone, or acted out in this way. To be that angry and aggressive and mentally unstable, that is just terrifying to think about.”
     

    She hopes the dangerous suspect is caught but I guess it's still more important to avoid racial stereotyping than to describe him to the public.

    Even during the day, that neighborhood (Tenderloin) is full of mentally-ill homeless (90% black) and drug dealers (100% black).

    Fortunately it has shrunk in size to just a few blocks of urban wasteland, and continues to shrink as hipsters like this who can’t afford to live elsewhere in SF (he is a server at a fancy restaurant) move in and displace the drug addicts living in SROs.

    One thing Gavin Newsome did when he was mayor is stop the city from giving cash welfare (called general assistance and required by the California Constitution). Instead he put it into housing subsidies, but with SF prices that effectively meant that 10 bums that used to get $210 a month in cash welfare was transformed to 1 bum gets a free apartment (and is kicked out if he becomes a nuisance and replaced by someone on the waiting list) and 9 lose their stream of free cash, and a major reason to stay in SF.

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  76. rod1963 says:

    Got zero sympathy for a fool like Hanson, if he’s stupid enough to make public utterances about comparing cuckolding to rape anything resembling that he deserves what ever hate comes his way.

    It’s just a variation of that tactless shirtstorm dolt.

    One didn’t have enough sense to know what to wear and the other didn’t know when to stop writing inflammatory idiocy.

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    Spoken like a true mangina. Imagine being cheated out of hundreds of thousands of dollars and wasted life opportunity costs unknowingly supporting some other man's seed. Even being forced to pay by law if not addressed within a certain time after birth, ~2 years, in addition to the humiliation and embarrassment, vs just a short period of time of pain, humiliation and embarrassment.
  77. Priss Factor [AKA "dna turtles"] says:

    If a geekette wore a shirt full of studs, would male geeks stop going into science and computers?

    That said, the guy should have dressed more respectably.

    He should have wore a Cosby sweater.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLkWODqzGK0

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  78. Priss Factor [AKA "dna turtles"] says:

    The landing of the spaceship on the comet was cosmic rape. It wasn’t consensual as the comet didn’t flash ‘YES’.

    ———-

    Though the whole shirt stuff was ridiculous, I did notice the rise of shamelessness and pornographic t-shirts in the 90s. In the Latino neighborhoods, even some fathers wore t-shirts with cartoon characters engaged in sexual intercourse. And these guys were with their kids.
    Pat Buchanan’s father and Vito Corleone would never have done that. Whatever their faults, they were real men.

    Men shouldn’t dress like that.

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  79. matt says:
    @Kaiser Schmarn
    Pretty sure I saw a poll about this rape vs cuckoldry on some Manosphere blog somewhere - it was like 80% in favor of rape with thousands of voters. I asked two of my friends and they agree.. doesn't seems like a very uncommon opinion.

    Pretty sure I saw a poll about this rape vs cuckoldry on some Manosphere blog somewhere – it was like 80% in favor of rape with thousands of voters. I asked two of my friends and they agree..

    Seems like a biased sample size. Biased towards shitty, deluded sociopaths, that is.

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  80. Marty says:

    re media/cathedral generally, I just read Andrew Ferguson’s piece about the celebrations of Ben Bradley. Recalling the antagonism between Bradlee and Reed Irvine, he says:

    “Now that both men are dead, I hope it’s some consolation to the shade of Reed Irvine to know that, in the effort to dismantle and discredit a corrupt regime, he won and Bradlee lost.”

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  81. Svigor says:

    “…[M]ost men would rather be raped than cuckolded…”

    Uhh, no. I don’t think so.

    This is why economists aren’t real scientists. They pull a priories out of their a posteriories.

    I think he meant raped by a female. I’m pretty sure most men really would have to stop and think about the answer to that one, at worst. A lot of guys hear “raped by a female” and cue up the Nirvana track and start lighting candles. Their definition of rape starts at “fugly” or “not enough beer yet.”

    It’s an interesting commentary on rape that most people hear “man raped” and assume homosexual rape (which is far worse than what is traditionally meant by rape).

    I think Robin Hanson should volunteer to getting “gently” raped up the ass to prove his assertion. Let’s see how he likes it.

    See what I mean?

    This news story weaves together at least five of the current hot topics of the day: catcalling, sleeve tattoos, hipsters, social media crowd dynamics, and not noticing race

    The girl’s quote of his reaction is heartening, but let’s wait and see his position. If he “calls for calm,” or the like, I say, oblige him. We owe that to the Schwartzes of the world.

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  82. vinteuil says: • Website

    @ NOTA

    “The Hanson article was very obviously carrying out a philosophical thought experiment to try to clarify why we have such a visceral reaction to a particular crime.

    “For Smith to try to smear him as a sexist based in that demonstrates something really ugly about Smith.

    Yes. This.

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  83. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    While I won't defend that column, Noah Smith is a better economist than the various open-boarders aspie libertarians at George Mason. Though I agree with the description "very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man" and would apply it to the whole group. And add: very honest.

    It is unfortunate that the alternative right seems to be infected with dumb fringe beliefs about economics, typically of the Ron Paul and Zero Hedge type involving constant warnings about imminent economic collapse and hyperinflation, sometimes with some peak oil hysteria mixed in. While the entire world's steady demographic decline is depressing, we're still 50 years away from being Brazil. And Brazil isn't that bad. As for hyperinflation: they've been predicting it for years, and instead the Fed can't even meet its 2% inflation target. And the BOJ has been trying and failing to stop deflation/sub 1% inflation for 23 years now.

    Krugman has a theory economic crankery is rooted in annoyance that the level of math skills needed for economic research is continuously increasing. Noah Smith is typical of this, he was a physics major at Stanford before going into econ.

    I also don't understand the poofter comment. If he's gay it is odd that he posts a bunch of sexy cowgirl photos on his blog.

    His most recent entry lists non-fiction books he likes, and he greatly praises Pinker and Murray. We can disagree with him, but ought to stay civil to a very bright potential dark enlightenment recruit.

    If you’ve been following his blog, you should know that he’s a very liberal, open borders extremist. He’s a neo-liberal of sorts – a Cultural Marxist who thinks capitalism is good in part because it can advance Cultural Marxism.

    He expresses this pretty frequently, so I don’t know how you’re unaware of it. He’s also big on promoting immigration and Cultural Marxism for Japan.

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  84. Simon,

    “I can imagine them voting ‘cuckoldry is worse than rape’ – thinking of heterosexual rape, of course.”

    For Roissy, cuckoldry is to the male what rape is to the female.

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    For Roissy, cuckoldry is to the male what rape is to the female.

    For normal, sane people, rape is to the male what rape is to the female.

  85. Tonto,

    “What we don’t know doesn’t hurt us.”

    Dawkins would likely dissent.

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  86. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @spandrell
    Noah Smith is if anything the most aspie of them all, his Japanese is atrocious, and Ryu Murakami sucks as much as Haruki. It's lame pop fiction that no adult should be reading.

    I’ve only read From The Fatherland, With Love, but I thought it was the best book I read this year. I don’t fault it for being a page-turner.

    As for Haruki, I thought 1Q84 was mostly entertaining but overrated, and the Wind-Up Bird Chronicle an overrated slog.

    Can’t comment on Smith’s Japanese.

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  87. Kevin says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Noah is very smart and energetic, but a "potential dark enlightenment recruit"? I don't know about that. As I mentioned to Steve a while back, a friend of mine is friends with him and invited both of us to a group dinner with a couple of others earlier this year. I don't remember who brought up Steve's name (had to be me or Noah, since the other three guys weren't familiar), but as soon as it came up, Noah was calling him a racist.

    Noah does have good taste in Japanese literature though (he spends his summers in Japan and speaks Japanese). He agreed when I said Haruki Murakami was overrated, and that Ryu Murakami is much better. That seems to be a minority position here, given that my local Barnes & Noble stocks Haruki and not Ryu (whose From The Fatherland, With Love is sort of like a Japanese version of Red Dawn).

    Haruki Murakami is infinitely better than the deservedly obscure Ryu. Haruki’s work is very uneven and repetetive – but WUBC was a masterpiece by any standard. Saying Ryu is better is only to show you’re “cool” and don’t think like other people. Meh.

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    I still haven't finshed the last ~10% of the WUBC, which I left at my mother's months ago, and haven't missed, so it's possible the end of it justifies the praise, but from what I've read I'd it, I don't get the comparisons of him to Pynchon at all. 1Q84 started out engaging but lost steam toward the end. How many times does Haruki describe what the same woman's pubic hair looks like, or what the male protagonist cooked for lunch?

    From The Fatherland, With Love was much better. I don't think there are any cool points in liking books by either author.
    , @Priss Factor
    They both suck.

    Haruki's HARD BOILED WONDERLAND is pretty cool but two othernovels I read left me cold. I gave up.

    As for Ryu, 69 was a pretty fun read.
    Then I checked out his earlier ALMOST BLUE. Few pgs in, some Japanese guy was sucking on a big black cock and then bit it, making the negro smack him. Enough with that shit. I gave up on him too. Couple of tards if you ask me.
  88. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Hanson himself weighs in. This bit from the addendum is amusing and shows how much of a shameless scumbag Smith is:

    http://www.overcomingbias.com/2014/11/hanson-loves-moose-caca.html#comments

    My topic was the relative harm of cuckoldry & rape. Noah Smith says that this topic itself is innately offensive to most women, who think cuckoldry to be of such low harm that comparing it with rape suggests rape to be low harm. He is further offended that I would talk on a topic if I knew it might offend in this way. I said his presuming cuckoldry is of very low harm offends the many men who think it very high harm. He disagrees that there are many such men, and would bet on a poll on the subject, but thinks it offensive to make such a poll, and won’t help with that.

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  89. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Corrections Comedy:

    How the Kardashians exploit racial bias for profit
    Sally Kohn

    * Correction: This article has been amended because it’s unclear whether Kardashian identifies as a woman of color. An earlier version of this post also misidentified Scott Disick.

    Sort of defeats the purpose of your entire article then.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/18/the-kardashians-arent-just-trashy-theyre-dangerous/?tid=gravity_1.0_strip_1

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  90. IgorR says:

    Todd Akin was pilloried and suffered lasting damage for a lot less. On the other hand Todd Akin was an idiot and was a direct threat to the oligarchy. I’m pretty tolerant of the most offensive comments but I can’t imagine it’s pleasant for any woman to hear about “gentle” rape. I wonder if being gently drugged during a wonderful dinner at the end of a wonderful day and then being gently injected with a massive dose of propofol and then gently expiring is less unpleasant than being called an idiot?

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  91. Karl says:

    The twitter dialogue between Hanson and Smith and the whole internet is embarrassing. I feel queazy for having tried to scan it.

    https://twitter.com/search?q=%40Noahpinion%20%40robinhanson%20&src=typd

    Coincidentally I stopped by Scott Alexanders (of Less Wrong) blog earlier today. Alexander raised the possibility that th rationalists should refuse to accede to society’s insistance that trans-men who re-assign their genitals and hormones become fully women. While truth was really important to rationalists like him, Alexander decided that being right (or less wrong or whatever) was what really mattered and that trnsgenered women are women.

    I cant take the rationalists search for truth since seriously until they uncover a truth showing up in a way that incurs a major social cost. And the whole movement is strongly needing a dose of humility. There remains some mystery in the world at yet.

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  92. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Simone Simonini
    So Noah is a weeaboo on top of all his other flaws. Unsurprising.

    Anyway, it's a stretch to call either Noah or Hanson an economist. I don't think Hanson ever published in real econ journals, and Noah hasn't published anything at all.

    I think he’s actually a finance prof., and he went into finance because he thought economics in general was kind of bogus.

    Incidentally, Emanuel Derman, who is a finance pioneer, has a PhD in physics.

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  93. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Kevin
    Haruki Murakami is infinitely better than the deservedly obscure Ryu. Haruki's work is very uneven and repetetive - but WUBC was a masterpiece by any standard. Saying Ryu is better is only to show you're "cool" and don't think like other people. Meh.

    I still haven’t finshed the last ~10% of the WUBC, which I left at my mother’s months ago, and haven’t missed, so it’s possible the end of it justifies the praise, but from what I’ve read I’d it, I don’t get the comparisons of him to Pynchon at all. 1Q84 started out engaging but lost steam toward the end. How many times does Haruki describe what the same woman’s pubic hair looks like, or what the male protagonist cooked for lunch?

    From The Fatherland, With Love was much better. I don’t think there are any cool points in liking books by either author.

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  94. matt says:
    @Desiderius
    Simon,

    "I can imagine them voting ‘cuckoldry is worse than rape’ – thinking of heterosexual rape, of course."

    For Roissy, cuckoldry is to the male what rape is to the female.

    For Roissy, cuckoldry is to the male what rape is to the female.

    For normal, sane people, rape is to the male what rape is to the female.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    By "rape to the female", we mean an act involving sex i.e. a heterosexual sex, namely a man forcing sex upon a woman.

    "Rape to the male" whereby a woman forces sex upon a man is generally not regarded as negatively by men.
  95. Luke Lea says:
    @Lot

    Yes, I don’t know why he’s going after Hanson, who’s not a big name economist
     
    Because aspie guys, who want to talk in public forums about the economics of "gentle" rapes and how it is strange they are punished so much, make easy targets. I mean, how on earth could someone take offense at this?

    What Hansen seems to lack is the ability to realize when he's getting into a touchy subject that requires him to either (1) post his thoughts anonymously to avoid controversy, or (2) hide his thoughts behind a sheet of academic jargon, so that easily offended but stupid Social Justice Warrior types can't understand him. It's not like economics doesn't have plenty of academic jargon he's capable of using.

    Or maybe he just has tenure and doesn't care.

    re: Aspie guys make easy targets. Case in point: Jim Watson. Maybe they should become a protected minority?

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    • Replies: @matt
    After reading the first paragraph, the following seems transparently obvious:

    Due to hang-ups about having been bullied in school, he cannot fathom that, this time, he might be the one acting like an asshole. He's the perpetual victim, in his mind.

    It would one thing if this were some obscure academic field. But this is the pool from which Federal Reserve Chairmen are drawn. God help this stupid country.

  97. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @matt
    For Roissy, cuckoldry is to the male what rape is to the female.

    For normal, sane people, rape is to the male what rape is to the female.

    By “rape to the female”, we mean an act involving sex i.e. a heterosexual sex, namely a man forcing sex upon a woman.

    “Rape to the male” whereby a woman forces sex upon a man is generally not regarded as negatively by men.

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    • Replies: @Simon in London
    >>"By “rape to the female”, we mean an act involving sex i.e. a heterosexual sex, namely a man forcing sex upon a woman.

    “Rape to the male” whereby a woman forces sex upon a man is generally not regarded as negatively by men."<<

    If it does not involve penetration then very few people would regard it as 'really rape' I'd think. It's the violation of bodily integrity that is the main part of the crime. Lesbians can 'rape' using hands or object; but by that standard men are almost never raped by women.

    (BTW in British criminal law rape refers exclusively to nonconsensual penetration by penis of vagina, nothing else.)
  98. matt says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Hanson responds:

    http://www.overcomingbias.com/2014/11/hanson-loves-moose-caca.html

    After reading the first paragraph, the following seems transparently obvious:

    Due to hang-ups about having been bullied in school, he cannot fathom that, this time, he might be the one acting like an asshole. He’s the perpetual victim, in his mind.

    It would one thing if this were some obscure academic field. But this is the pool from which Federal Reserve Chairmen are drawn. God help this stupid country.

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  99. matt says:

    The idea that weird, socially awkward nerds are some poor, oppressed minority ignores the fact that they are the one of the most powerful economic and cultural forces in human history. They have a gigantic influence on domestic and international economic policy. The richest man in the world is one of their own. The last 700 goddamn Hollywood blockbusters have been superhero movies, and there are more on the way. Not content with that, prime time TV is now filled with awful shows based on comic books. And these geeks are incapable of seeing themselves as being in the wrong, because in their minds, it’s always 7th grade homeroom, and everyone is still making fun of them for their stupid glasses. The gamergate fiasco was exhibit A of this nonsense.

    It isn’t going to stop, so at the very least, we should be allowed to make fun of them. It’s the only way of restoring balance to the universe.

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  100. A woman who is raped suffers violation of her person (her body). A man who is cuckolded does not suffer such violation of his person. So on the measure of suffering of personal violation, the raped woman suffers harm and the cuckolded man does not.

    The other measure of damages in this comparison, is to a person’s energy and resources and time. On this score the cuckolded man suffers and the raped woman does not. If one argues that the raped woman might be burdened with a pregnancy and so suffer losses to energy resources and time: such a burden is at her discretion and might eventually work out as a gain, so should not be considered a loss (though admittedly there would be complications on this point).

    So comparing the damages is apples and oranges. The raped woman suffers a violation of her person and the cuckolded man does not. The cuckolded man suffers a loss, a theft really, of his time resources and energy and the raped woman does not.

    Making the case that those two sorts of damages are equivocal or even comparable, is non-sense. They are damages of a different sort. The woman’s sufferings are to her body and the man’s to his property or resources. They are not comparable, though some will go for the abstruse argument that a woman’s body is analogous to a man’s resources.

    The thought experiment includes a provision of a “gentle rape” and yeah that is tone deaf – and funny at the same time! but golly gee whittakers: The misuse of the concept of rape, in the political discourse and for political ends, is the doings of feminists, which as with muffins were better fresh.

    In other words, what really is about the complaining, about rape and sexism and white privilege and racism. In a recent article by Gregory Hood he makes the hilarious point that the swapples are more concerned about the complaining about ISIS, than they are about ISIS. As with sex assault. The SJW’s are more worried about the context of sex assault and its meta-political implications, than they are about the thing itself.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You're confused. Rape of a woman is a violation of the woman's deliberative role in the procreative act of sex. It's not about a "violation of her body". Rape doesn't necessarily entail any physical violation or harm. This is why rape is regarded as distinct from beating and other kinds of physical assault.

    The reason cuckoldry is seen as analogous is because it violates the man's deliberative role in the procreative act of sex.
  101. Priss Factor [AKA "terrapin gape"] says:
    @Kevin
    Haruki Murakami is infinitely better than the deservedly obscure Ryu. Haruki's work is very uneven and repetetive - but WUBC was a masterpiece by any standard. Saying Ryu is better is only to show you're "cool" and don't think like other people. Meh.

    They both suck.

    Haruki’s HARD BOILED WONDERLAND is pretty cool but two othernovels I read left me cold. I gave up.

    As for Ryu, 69 was a pretty fun read.
    Then I checked out his earlier ALMOST BLUE. Few pgs in, some Japanese guy was sucking on a big black cock and then bit it, making the negro smack him. Enough with that shit. I gave up on him too. Couple of tards if you ask me.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Give From The Fatherhood, With Love a try. None of that nonsense in it. The premise is an economically weakened and politically isolated Japan gets invaded by North Koreans. The invasion is modeled on an (apocryphal?) plan by Hitler to take over Manhattan using fake refugees.

    An outlandish premise, but Ryu grounds it with an impressive level of detail (how the operation is financed, etc.).
  102. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Priss Factor
    They both suck.

    Haruki's HARD BOILED WONDERLAND is pretty cool but two othernovels I read left me cold. I gave up.

    As for Ryu, 69 was a pretty fun read.
    Then I checked out his earlier ALMOST BLUE. Few pgs in, some Japanese guy was sucking on a big black cock and then bit it, making the negro smack him. Enough with that shit. I gave up on him too. Couple of tards if you ask me.

    Give From The Fatherhood, With Love a try. None of that nonsense in it. The premise is an economically weakened and politically isolated Japan gets invaded by North Koreans. The invasion is modeled on an (apocryphal?) plan by Hitler to take over Manhattan using fake refugees.

    An outlandish premise, but Ryu grounds it with an impressive level of detail (how the operation is financed, etc.).

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  103. @Anonymous
    By "rape to the female", we mean an act involving sex i.e. a heterosexual sex, namely a man forcing sex upon a woman.

    "Rape to the male" whereby a woman forces sex upon a man is generally not regarded as negatively by men.

    >>”By “rape to the female”, we mean an act involving sex i.e. a heterosexual sex, namely a man forcing sex upon a woman.

    “Rape to the male” whereby a woman forces sex upon a man is generally not regarded as negatively by men.”<<

    If it does not involve penetration then very few people would regard it as 'really rape' I'd think. It's the violation of bodily integrity that is the main part of the crime. Lesbians can 'rape' using hands or object; but by that standard men are almost never raped by women.

    (BTW in British criminal law rape refers exclusively to nonconsensual penetration by penis of vagina, nothing else.)

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  105. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Suburban_elk
    A woman who is raped suffers violation of her person (her body). A man who is cuckolded does not suffer such violation of his person. So on the measure of suffering of personal violation, the raped woman suffers harm and the cuckolded man does not.

    The other measure of damages in this comparison, is to a person's energy and resources and time. On this score the cuckolded man suffers and the raped woman does not. If one argues that the raped woman might be burdened with a pregnancy and so suffer losses to energy resources and time: such a burden is at her discretion and might eventually work out as a gain, so should not be considered a loss (though admittedly there would be complications on this point).

    So comparing the damages is apples and oranges. The raped woman suffers a violation of her person and the cuckolded man does not. The cuckolded man suffers a loss, a theft really, of his time resources and energy and the raped woman does not.

    Making the case that those two sorts of damages are equivocal or even comparable, is non-sense. They are damages of a different sort. The woman's sufferings are to her body and the man's to his property or resources. They are not comparable, though some will go for the abstruse argument that a woman's body is analogous to a man's resources.

    The thought experiment includes a provision of a "gentle rape" and yeah that is tone deaf - and funny at the same time! but golly gee whittakers: The misuse of the concept of rape, in the political discourse and for political ends, is the doings of feminists, which as with muffins were better fresh.

    In other words, what really is about the complaining, about rape and sexism and white privilege and racism. In a recent article by Gregory Hood he makes the hilarious point that the swapples are more concerned about the complaining about ISIS, than they are about ISIS. As with sex assault. The SJW's are more worried about the context of sex assault and its meta-political implications, than they are about the thing itself.

    You’re confused. Rape of a woman is a violation of the woman’s deliberative role in the procreative act of sex. It’s not about a “violation of her body”. Rape doesn’t necessarily entail any physical violation or harm. This is why rape is regarded as distinct from beating and other kinds of physical assault.

    The reason cuckoldry is seen as analogous is because it violates the man’s deliberative role in the procreative act of sex.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Right.
    , @Steve Sailer
    In highly functional cultures, both rape and cuckoo's eggs are rare. In dysfunctional cultures, both are more common.
    , @matt
    Nah. If that were right, it would be impossible to rape men, since raping a man isn't a violation of his "deliberative role in the procreative act of sex." But it is possible.
  106. @Anonymous
    You're confused. Rape of a woman is a violation of the woman's deliberative role in the procreative act of sex. It's not about a "violation of her body". Rape doesn't necessarily entail any physical violation or harm. This is why rape is regarded as distinct from beating and other kinds of physical assault.

    The reason cuckoldry is seen as analogous is because it violates the man's deliberative role in the procreative act of sex.

    Right.

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  107. @Anonymous
    You're confused. Rape of a woman is a violation of the woman's deliberative role in the procreative act of sex. It's not about a "violation of her body". Rape doesn't necessarily entail any physical violation or harm. This is why rape is regarded as distinct from beating and other kinds of physical assault.

    The reason cuckoldry is seen as analogous is because it violates the man's deliberative role in the procreative act of sex.

    In highly functional cultures, both rape and cuckoo’s eggs are rare. In dysfunctional cultures, both are more common.

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  108. Svigor says:

    For Roissy, cuckoldry is to the male what rape is to the female.

    Roissy is correct. Heterosexual rape of men isn’t on the radar, and cuckoldry is much more equivalent.

    For normal, sane people, rape is to the male what rape is to the female.

    Normal and sane stopped being synonyms a long time ago. They’re not quite opposites, yet, but they’re getting there. To normal people, male on male forced sodomy is the equivalent to male on female forced intercourse. This is nuts, of course. The former is far worse.

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  109. Svigor says:

    Asians sue Harvard, et al., over discriminatory admissions policies favoring NAMs

    The lawsuit cites a 2009 study by Princeton sociologists that concluded that while the average Asian American applicant needed a much higher 1460 SAT score to be admitted, a white student with similar GPA and other qualifications only needed a score of 1320, while blacks needed 1010 and Hispanics 1190.

    1320? I had no idea it was that low at Princeton. And that’s the post-whatever scores, that are higher than the scores before “recentering,” right?

    Do they take 40 year old walk-ons?

    “The College considers each applicant through an individualized, holistic review having the goal of creating a vibrant academic community that exposes students to a wide-range of differences: background, ideas, experiences, talents and aspirations,” wrote Robert Iuliano, Harvard’s general counsel.

    What do your awful scores know about vibrancy? To say nothing of gnosis, spirituality, and the ethereal.

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  110. Svigor says:

    The reason cuckoldry is seen as analogous is because it violates the man’s deliberative role in the procreative act of sex.

    At least the procreative aspect of rape is optional for women. A cuckolded man is reminded of his violation for the rest of his life, every time he sees the child he’s raised.

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  111. Hanson is right. Roissy/Heartiste conducted a poll and far more men would rather be butt raped than cuckolded. See here: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/cuckoldry-vs-butt-rape/

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  112. @Buzz Mohawk

    "…[M]ost men would rather be raped than cuckolded…"
     
    Uhh, no. I don't think so.

    This is why economists aren't real scientists. They pull a priories out of their a posteriories.

    It seems to be a popular doctorate to get nowadays, one step above Ed.D.

    Maybe Hanson could sponsor a thesis on how many cuckholders you can put in a midsize sedan. I'm sure the automotive industry would like to know.

    Women aren't missing much if they're being kept out of economics.

    Uhh, no. I don’t think so.

    You are wrong if polls can be believed: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/cuckoldry-vs-butt-rape/

    Imagine being cheated out of hundreds of thousands of dollars, even forced by law if not acted upon soon enough after birth, in addition to the embarrassment and wasted opportunity costs.

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    • Replies: @matt
    Your only evidence is an unscientific poll conducted on a blog frequented by reactionary psychopaths. Good job.
  113. @rod1963
    Got zero sympathy for a fool like Hanson, if he's stupid enough to make public utterances about comparing cuckolding to rape anything resembling that he deserves what ever hate comes his way.

    It's just a variation of that tactless shirtstorm dolt.

    One didn't have enough sense to know what to wear and the other didn't know when to stop writing inflammatory idiocy.

    Spoken like a true mangina. Imagine being cheated out of hundreds of thousands of dollars and wasted life opportunity costs unknowingly supporting some other man’s seed. Even being forced to pay by law if not addressed within a certain time after birth, ~2 years, in addition to the humiliation and embarrassment, vs just a short period of time of pain, humiliation and embarrassment.

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  114. matt says:
    @Anonymous
    You're confused. Rape of a woman is a violation of the woman's deliberative role in the procreative act of sex. It's not about a "violation of her body". Rape doesn't necessarily entail any physical violation or harm. This is why rape is regarded as distinct from beating and other kinds of physical assault.

    The reason cuckoldry is seen as analogous is because it violates the man's deliberative role in the procreative act of sex.

    Nah. If that were right, it would be impossible to rape men, since raping a man isn’t a violation of his “deliberative role in the procreative act of sex.” But it is possible.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It is possible to rape men. A woman can rape a man by violating the man's deliberative role in the procreative act of sex.
  115. matt says:

    The consensus among the socially maladroit reactionaries in this general region of the web seems to be:

    (1) Raping a woman is exactly as bad as cuckolding a man.

    (2) Cuckolding a man is worse than raping a man.

    Assuming that your weak preference ordering is transitive (and it better be, as I’m sure Prof. Hanson could tell you), (1) and (2) immediately imply:

    (3) Raping a woman is worse than raping a man.

    Hey, I think I’ve finally discovered this “misandry” that guys on the internet keep talking about.

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  116. Dain says: • Website

    If it makes Smith feel any better, economist Steven Landsburg got in trouble for a thought experiment a while back of the sort Hanson engaged in. There was very much an outcry.

    It’s increasingly tough to be a middle-aged white dude who does too much intellectual free-wheelin.’

    http://politix.topix.com/story/5434-professor-under-fire-for-suggesting-unconscious-rape-might-be-ok

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  117. Anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Lot

    Yes, I don’t know why he’s going after Hanson, who’s not a big name economist
     
    Because aspie guys, who want to talk in public forums about the economics of "gentle" rapes and how it is strange they are punished so much, make easy targets. I mean, how on earth could someone take offense at this?

    What Hansen seems to lack is the ability to realize when he's getting into a touchy subject that requires him to either (1) post his thoughts anonymously to avoid controversy, or (2) hide his thoughts behind a sheet of academic jargon, so that easily offended but stupid Social Justice Warrior types can't understand him. It's not like economics doesn't have plenty of academic jargon he's capable of using.

    Or maybe he just has tenure and doesn't care.


    Hanson opposes esotericism.

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  118. matt says:
    @Cloudswrest
    Uhh, no. I don’t think so.

    You are wrong if polls can be believed: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/cuckoldry-vs-butt-rape/

    Imagine being cheated out of hundreds of thousands of dollars, even forced by law if not acted upon soon enough after birth, in addition to the embarrassment and wasted opportunity costs.

    Your only evidence is an unscientific poll conducted on a blog frequented by reactionary psychopaths. Good job.

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  119. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @matt
    Nah. If that were right, it would be impossible to rape men, since raping a man isn't a violation of his "deliberative role in the procreative act of sex." But it is possible.

    It is possible to rape men. A woman can rape a man by violating the man’s deliberative role in the procreative act of sex.

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  120. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I think if you’re going to try to play the eccentric role by the shirt you wear or the things you say, you’d better be prepared to play the part 360. There’s nothing more pathetic than an uncommitted eccentric who worries what about people think.

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  121. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot

    Yes, I don’t know why he’s going after Hanson, who’s not a big name economist
     
    Because aspie guys, who want to talk in public forums about the economics of "gentle" rapes and how it is strange they are punished so much, make easy targets. I mean, how on earth could someone take offense at this?

    What Hansen seems to lack is the ability to realize when he's getting into a touchy subject that requires him to either (1) post his thoughts anonymously to avoid controversy, or (2) hide his thoughts behind a sheet of academic jargon, so that easily offended but stupid Social Justice Warrior types can't understand him. It's not like economics doesn't have plenty of academic jargon he's capable of using.

    Or maybe he just has tenure and doesn't care.

    [On Noah Smith:] We can disagree with him, but ought to stay civil to a very bright potential dark enlightenment recruit . . .He’s pretenure at a public university in the NYC metro area. Of course he’s can’t say nice things about Steve in front of people he just met or doesn’t know well and trust . . . [On Robin Hanson] Though I agree with the description “very nice, very innocent, very eccentric man” and would apply it to the whole [GM Econ Dept]. And add: very honest . . . What Hansen seems to lack is the ability to realize when he’s getting into a touchy subject that requires him to either (1) post his thoughts anonymously to avoid controversy, or (2) hide his thoughts behind a sheet of academic jargon

    You really should stop. These comments are painful to read in their up is downism, and you are hurting your credibility with anyone who can think.

    Noah Smith is a tiresome center leftoid of moderate intelligence (for an economist). He never says anything insightful. Obviously, like all Tribesmen, he knows shvartzes are dumb and that blank slatism is false. The Murray and Pinker cites are: “I’m in on the joke, guys!” If anything, they are tacky in their clumsiness.

    Cowen, Caplan, and Hanson are obviously dishonest clowns, hirelings of the Koch Department of Economics. Cowen (but not the other two) dog whistles now and then in the Stevospere’s direction. Presumably, he does this because his “base” is internet geeks, and a lot of them are Steve readers. Seeing the fawning gratitude which follows these dog whistles is almost as nauseating as seeing pro-lifers voting for Republicans. None of them are anti-PC. Actually, it’s possible that Caplan is mentally ill rather than dishonest.

    Hanson is trying (and failing in a depressingly incompetent way) to do the David Friedman, messianic rabbi of libertarian nerds, thing. He knows exactly what he is doing. He is just bad at it. Even Eliezer Yudkowski is better at it.

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  122. […] a mob of SJWs (“social justice warriors”, i.e. left-wing types) on Hanson. Steve Sailer jumped in to defend Hanson and all “Aspergery […]

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  123. If a man wishes to have his head frozen for posterity he should do it at 16 and not at the time in which he has lost twenty IQ points. On the other hand….

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  125. […] I don’t think he is making this up. This is cross cultural. True, even in the US. When Noah Smith tried to turn the mob against Robin Hanson when he said that most men would rather b…: […]

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