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"No Thug Left Behind"

From City Journal:

No Thug Left Behind

Obsessed with “racial equity,” St. Paul schools abandoned discipline—and unleashed mayhem.

Katherine Kersten
Winter 2017

In the Obama years, America’s public education system embarked on a vast social experiment that threatened to turn schools into educational free-fire zones. The campaign—carried out in the name of “racial equity”—sought to reduce dramatically the suspension rate of black students, who get referred for discipline at much higher rates than other students. From the top down, the U.S. Department of Education drove the effort; from the bottom up, local educational bureaucrats have supported and implemented it.

“Racial equity” has become the all-purpose justification for dubious educational policies. Equity proponents view “disparate impact”—when the same policies yield different outcomes among demographic groups—as conclusive proof of discrimination. On the education front, “equity” does not seek equal treatment for all students. Instead, it demands statistical equivalence in discipline referrals and suspensions for students of every racial group, regardless of those students’ actual conduct.

Equity advocates’ central premise is that teachers, not students, are to blame for the racial-equity discipline gap.

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  1. I first read about Aaron Benner a couple of years ago when he quit teaching and decided to run for the school board. Eventually he gave up on that. That his first hand accounts were not more persuasive to the public is discouraging.

    Conservatism, Inc. is making a big deal about championing Betsy Devos, but I don’t think she has a clue about how to deal with a situation like this. I’m not convinced shutting down the Department of Education would even help, because the state and local people left in control would continue to promote more of the same. Why is it so hard for so many people to understand that there is nothing you can do to make good students out below average intelligence students who don’t value any kind of education?

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    It's problem with no solution. If schools tomorrow said that blacks have lower IQs and are more violent, no black would believe it.

    There would be massive riots. It's too easy for them to blame someone else.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Blame John Locke and the tabula rasa. Then blame an inability of Leftists to learn from experience.
    , @Langley
    Separate School and State.

    Stop taking money at gunpoint to fund bogus education.

    Close the Department of Education.

    Close government schools.

    Let parents make their own decisions as to their children's upbringing.

    , @Sam Patch
    At least we could get the federal government out of meddling via top-down policies ala the Obama admin. Also, the general push for school choice can hardly be a net negative
    , @MarkinLA
    Of course none of the solutions mentioned will not work. EVERYBODY with half a functioning neuron in their brain knows what is going on. However, there is nothing you can do politically. The Democrats have their BS and the Republicans theirs. When the Dems get in the answer is more money for schools when the Repubs get in, it is school choice. They all know (and probably secretly admit) that these students are just plain stupid as well as lazy.

    The only thing that will work is involuntary military academies for all the trash - black, white, brown, and yellow. Try getting that through Congress and signed by the President.
    , @jimmyriddle
    Give people vouchers and let the market sort it out.
    , @Mea Culpa
    I think that one has to be either a blithering idiot or Ph.d to not notice something so mundane and obvious.
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  2. You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement.

    ” Teacher Donna Wu was caught in a fight ” Say what? That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson, not Donna Wu teach for America types.

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    • Replies: @anon

    You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement.
     
    Yes.

    The ones left behind get an education and don't get mugged/raped at school but keep quiet because they know the school won't do anything.

    It doesn't solve the problem completely - the only way to do that is filter the people responsible out of the gene pool.

    (The people who'd benefit most from strict discipline is the other 85% of black kids.)

    , @JerryC
    Yeah, it's an improvement for all the students who want to learn and not get their ass kicked by the class bully. Is that so hard to understand for liberals?
    , @Langley
    "You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement."

    Punish the trouble makers on the street.

    Let the kids in the schools who want to learn, learn.

    That IS an improvement.

    "” Teacher Donna Wu was caught in a fight ” Say what? That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson, not Donna Wu teach for America types."


    No. It needs to be free of trouble so that teachers can teach.

    Black teachers are NOT more effective than Asian.

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    There is no need to suspend the trouble makers. NYC once had "discipline" schools" for students like these until progs forced their elimination. Lock the most troublesome students up for eight hours a day, six days a week, in discipline schools. Chain them to their desks and let them be taught by teachers isolated from them by a bullet proof barrier. Feed them only foods recommended by our ex, affirmative action, first lady. Let them prey on one another with escalating consequences for serious harm/crime. Let them leave these schools only when they are testing up to to grade level or are past the age when they must be retained. Have 24/7, escape-proof boarding schools for those who cannot be constrained even by such discipline schools.

    "That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson..."
     
    The Coleman Report found that one of the strongest correlates of poor teaching performance was race. (For obvious reasons, this result is buried in the appendices.) My observation is that in general Negro teachers are worse teachers, by almost any measure of performance than teachers of other races. The Bayesian computed odds are that a teacher named Tameka Johnson, or Shitavious Royalton for that matter, is probably going to be a worse teacher than someone with a name that is less of a dog whistle indicating the bearer is a Negro .
    , @Crawfurdmuir

    You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble.
     
    Don't set them loose on the street, send them to special schools where their behavioral problems can be given special attention. There are, in some cities, "magnet" schools for gifted children or for those wishing to specialize in certain fields of study. Why not have similar schools for young malefactors, with suitably strict discipline? If a kid acts up one too many times, send him or her to "The Whippingham Academy for Incorrigible Boys" or the "Des Fessées Finishing School for Recalcitrant Girls."

    It is obvious that public schools do nothing but warehouse the ineducable until they reach the statutory school-leaving age. If the only benefit of school for such youngsters is that it keeps them off the streets, its function is no better than that of a prison. It would be more honest to recognize this fact and warehouse them separately in suitable facilities than it is to allow them to disrupt the instruction of children that can genuinely benefit from it.
    , @Forbes
    Most/many schools use what is called in-school-suspension. They are put in a supervised, separate room or study hall, and are given their assignments and homework to do on their own. They are purposely not sent home or out on the street.
    , @pyrrhus
    They'll be making trouble on the streets regardless, until they're killed or locked up, but wrecking the education of 30 other children is completely preventable.
    , @Anonymous
    Yes, because the school serves those who remain. Otherwise you screw it up for everyone.
    , @TWS
    So we need truancy officers again and to lock up the ones that don't stay in the house. I have no problems seeing most of these dangerous kids spend their days in a locked facility with rules.

    School is more random than a lock up and has (or had in my day) just as many assaults. If they are not going to learn anyway spending eight hours in a locked facility doesn't hurt my heart one bit.
  3. They learned that “shouting out” answers in class and lack of punctuality are black cultural traits and that what may seem to be defiant student behavior is, in fact, just a culturally conditioned expression of “enthusiasm.”

    “enthusiastically late” sounds like something that could become popular.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    I also doubt what was being "shouted out" in class was anything resembling the answers the teachers were looking for. Once you let a school go this far without treating it like a military school, plus expelling about 25% of the students right of the bat.
    , @guest
    Yes, they are "cultural traits." Bad cultural traits. If schools can't even pound traits like that out of kids, what the hell are they good for?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    SPMoore, I watch a documentary about Serena Williams and a woman related to her said, paraphrasing here "Whites don't understand, blacks need to be loud." Goes over big at Wimbleton I guess.
  4. @SPMoore8
    They learned that “shouting out” answers in class and lack of punctuality are black cultural traits and that what may seem to be defiant student behavior is, in fact, just a culturally conditioned expression of “enthusiasm.”

    "enthusiastically late" sounds like something that could become popular.

    I also doubt what was being “shouted out” in class was anything resembling the answers the teachers were looking for. Once you let a school go this far without treating it like a military school, plus expelling about 25% of the students right of the bat.

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  5. There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children. When this information is given to the leadership at schools, instead of asking the hard questions they simply justify it. Either way, there is enough blame to go around, on the parents, on children, and yes, on school administrators also. I am part of the problem and so are you. Its that simple.

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood? No you haven’t… Yet you speak as if your a subject matter expert on the black community, then you conclude by referring to the “democrats” and their policies. Your comments simply reveals your deep seated ignorance, bias, and anger, all of which is the natrual consequence of watching propagandist news while doing little to inform yourself on how the real world works.

    Do youself a favor, read some credible material on the topic then follow up with some real life experiences and watch how much your perspective changes…. If you choose not to do this, its because your enjoy your anger and pity party where you get to blame everyone else for issues that happen in your country. Either way, it would do you well to look in the mirror.

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    • Disagree: ScarletNumber
    • LOL: Hibernian
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Then you should be for all black schools taught by an all black faculty - something every white parent wants. Yet, you would bitch about that.
    , @keuril
    You copied this comment from the comment thread at City Journal.
    , @Desiderius

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood?
     
    Yes.

    You know who hates this nonsense the worst? Black parents.
    , @Mr. Anon

    There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children.
     
    Your so-called proof is bogus. There is substantial evidence that blacks, as a group, have a significantly lower IQ than every other group - lower than that of whites by an entire standard deviation.

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood?
     
    No. No sane white person wants to.

    Either way, it would do you well to look in the mirror.
     
    It would do you well to stop performing your extended autocephalocolonoscopy.
    , @MadDog
    Oh baby I did. Far worse than you can ever understand.
    , @Ed
    I'm black and you're full of crap. I did live & attend a heavily black school. It was chaotic because of the behaviors of the kids. I found that the teachers/administrators that were tougher on black kids were black. I suspect it was because they expected more of us. I should point out that my parents are African so I could see the cultural difference between us & the African American kids up close.

    You and your fellow white liberals would do better if you stopped defending deplorable behavior simply because blacks are doing it. You're not doing anyone any favors.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children.
     
    Tell that to Adrian Peterson!

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood?
     
    Yes, I have. But most of them were refugees (according to the State Department or whoever), so they behaved, at least the first and most of the second generation. We'll see about the third.
    , @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    Your comments simply reveals your deep seated ignorance, bias, and anger, all of which is the natrual consequence of watching propagandist news while doing little to inform yourself on how the real world works.
     
    I had originally considered that Tiny Duck might be Godfrey Elfwick but then it occurred to me that Godfrey is actually funny.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Decent effort, but you need a punchier thesis. Start off with something like "This is an article that comes from a bigoted, ignorant angle," and then continue onward. It'll help provoke ire right from the get-go.

    BTW, you should share your comments on HuffPo too. And NYT.

    , @Hibernian
    I live in a predominantly black neighborhood. I've also worked together with very diverse groups of people in the service and in civilian jobs. When I was a very young child living in an almost all white neighborhood in a heavily white small Midwestern city, we often visited my paternal grandfather in a 99% black neighborhood in Chicago. (About 6 miles from where I live now.) If I don't miss my guess, the experiences of the "redneck" commenters on this site are more diverse than yours. If you read the comments, not just on political and ethnographic issues, but on sports and various life issues, with your eyes at least halfway open, you'd realize that. You remind me of my sister in Seattle.
  6. “Racial differentials in suspension rates, they found, appeared to be “a function of differences in problem behaviors that emerge early in life, that remain relatively stable over time, and that materialize in the classroom.””

    Sounds like nature over nurture to me.

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    How does the federal bureaucracy handle big ideological shifts like the one between the Obama administration and the Trump administration? How can you go from enforcing one set of standards to enforcing its complete opposite?

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Good question. It's never happened in recent memory. Certainly the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama reign involved no dramatic reversals to the leftward stranglehold on the bureaucracy.
    , @guest
    You don't. Politics don't have as much to do with government as you might think. Most of the time they go on doing what they've been doing. The president has outsized power for an individual, but it's like trying to reverse course on a supertanker by dragging your hand in the water like a rudder.

    Look at how much energy is being expended on the travel ban, and how much is actually changing. Then think what a miniscule part of immigration policy as a whole that constitutes, and how closely Trump is in fact following policies set down by Obama (though in dramatic fashion). That's not all Trump's doing, but it's plenty of doing, and there's almost nothing to show for it.

    Then there's the rest of the permanent government, department after department, including education. The vast majority can rest easy, assured that things will pretty much stay the same. Some will be forced to do what they don't wanna do, others will be out on their asses. But the juggernaut juggers on.

    , @Langley
    "How does the federal bureaucracy handle big ideological shifts like the one between the Obama administration and the Trump administration?"

    Obama did pull the troops out of Iraq very quickly. Of course that was with service people who are owned by the government.

    The Feds do not think the same way about their school children.
    , @EdwardM
    It doesn't. The bureaucracy is essentially a fourth branch of government, serving as a check on the elected administration's agenda -- certainly not what our founders intended.

    Penetrating this hostile workforce using the leverage provided by three or so layers of presidential appointees at the top of major departments, combined with a few dozen politically-appointed staffers, is the hardest management challenge for Trump.
  8. Equity advocates’ central premise is that teachers, not students, are to blame for the racial-equity discipline gap.

    The irony is that white public school teachers are usually the most racially egalitarian, pie-in-the-sky, left-wing diversity-mongers out there. Most of them would rather crawl over broken glass on their hands and knees than turn in black students for punishment. When they do, you know the students must be really, really bad.

    And then (of course) the administration, top-heavy with diversity hires, blames them? Hah…

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "The irony is that white public school teachers are usually the most racially egalitarian, pie-in-the-sky, left-wing diversity-mongers out there."

    The UK head most famous for discipline and traditional teaching methods is of Caribbean-Asian extraction. Used to enjoy her anonymous blog. She was sacked from her deputy head job after addressing the Tory Party conference, but has bounced back big-time. Her school's in a rough old bit of London.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Birbalsingh

    "The emphasis of the school is on discipline and teaching traditional subjects, although Mandarin is offered as an option. School days start at 7:55 am and end at 4:00 pm (3 pm on Fridays). There is a "zero tolerance" policy regarding poor behaviour; a "boot camp" week at the start of the year teaches the children the rules and the consequences of breaking them. The strict uniform code includes no make-up, nail varnish, unprofessional hair styles or jewellery (except for a plain watch). Praying is not allowed. There is no group work; children sit in rows and learn by rote, and walk in single file between classrooms. The school website says: "Staff at Michaela tend to reject all of the accepted wisdoms of the 21st century."
     
    , @ben tillman

    The irony is that white public school teachers are usually the most racially egalitarian, pie-in-the-sky, left-wing diversity-mongers out there.
     
    In my experience, they're quite the opposite, well-schooled in HBD.
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    @George
    You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement.

    " Teacher Donna Wu was caught in a fight " Say what? That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson, not Donna Wu teach for America types.

    You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement.

    Yes.

    The ones left behind get an education and don’t get mugged/raped at school but keep quiet because they know the school won’t do anything.

    It doesn’t solve the problem completely – the only way to do that is filter the people responsible out of the gene pool.

    (The people who’d benefit most from strict discipline is the other 85% of black kids.)

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  10. On the education front, “equity” does not seek equal treatment for all students. Instead, it demands statistical equivalence in discipline referrals and suspensions for students of every racial group, regardless of those students’ actual conduct.

    Equity advocates’ central premise is that teachers, not students, are to blame for the racial-equity discipline gap.

    That’s awfully radical for a mainstream publication.

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  11. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    OT:

    Steve, I know you have some janitorial experience, even if just cleaning out your garage. Have you thought about a government position as a janitor?

    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/BART-janitor-pay-270000-Powell-St-questions-10911932.php

    Cameras catch BART janitor who made $270,000 in a year spending hours in Powell St. closet

    By Katie Dowd, San Francisco Chronicle Updated 12:31 pm, Monday, February 6, 2017

    Last November, a nonprofit called Transparent California reported that a BART janitor named Liang Zhao Zhang made $271,000 in a single year — over $162,000 of that in the form of overtime.

    Now, a KTVU investigation into Zhang’s hours and pay revealed that he disappears into a storage closet at the Powell St. station, sometimes for hours a day.

    In order to observe how Zhang spent his sometimes 17-hour work day, KTVU requested surveillance video from BART. On it, they saw Zhang entering a storage closet twice in one day, once for 54 minutes and again for 90 minutes later in the day. On another day, they observed Zhang in the closet for 90 minutes in the afternoon and another 78 minutes in the evening.

    Zhang tells the TV crew he is taking his meal breaks during that time, although a BART representative told KTVU employees eat their lunch in the separate break room. BART employees are normally given 30 minutes for lunch, although BART doesn’t track their breaks.

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    • Replies: @verylongaccountname
    The really astonishing thing is that only 162K of his 271K salary is overtime. So BART pays a janitor 109K/year as a base salary! No wonder cops demand 300K/year.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, I call BS on this story. Everyone knows it's so San Franciscan to come out of the closet. Zhang is practicing for his coming out party.
    , @Stan Adams
    Maybe Zhang needs the time to decompress. Anyone would be burned out after having to clean up the mess from all those melted Butterfingers that BART left lying out in the sun.

    Cowabunga!
  12. @George
    You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement.

    " Teacher Donna Wu was caught in a fight " Say what? That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson, not Donna Wu teach for America types.

    Yeah, it’s an improvement for all the students who want to learn and not get their ass kicked by the class bully. Is that so hard to understand for liberals?

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  13. The solution is probably to have a zero tolerance of deviant behavior right from preschool and Pre-K. It is absurdly racist to assume that black children are just naturally rude, unruly, and late and that these are somehow inherited traits of some value.

    The purpose of schools is to socialize children and teach them literacy skills to prepare them for employment, or indeed prepare them to be principals if they have the ability.

    However providing public education to the children of the underclass is very difficult and it is perhaps not surprising that teachers and educators adopt nutty theories as a kind of mental defense mechanism to preserve their own sanity.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    It's a neocortex deficiency.
    , @Negrolphin Pool

    It is absurdly racist to assume that black children are just naturally rude, unruly, and late and that these are somehow inherited traits of some value.
     
    Right, because behavioral traits aren't heritable.

    There are about 1000 of these floating around the internet. Amren is a generally impeccable source, and there are many similar accounts on that site alone.
    , @anon

    It is absurdly racist to assume that black children are just naturally rude, unruly, and late and that these are somehow inherited traits of some value.
     
    Yeah it's weird. If it was white people saying it and not these "cultural advisers" they'd be sacked.

    If you studied schools where all the pupils were of the same race/ethnicity I think you'd find the bullies/rebels were the ones who went through puberty earliest.

    So if there was a racial difference in age of puberty there would be racial difference in bullying/discipline etc.

    (class difference also imo as early age of puberty probably effects educational attainment)

    (antifa are to a large extent the late puberty version of the same thing)
  14. I don’t think she’s from around here:

    She arrived in Minnesota from Chile at age 24, speaking no English. She went on to earn bachelor’s, master’s and education specialist’s degrees and rose from classroom teacher to her current post, in which she is responsible for teaching and learning in the district and about $450 million of the annual budget.

    Tyrone Terrill, president of the African-American Leadership Council, said he was disappointed by Silva’s selection. The council was a major supporter of Carstarphen and had hoped to see her work continue, Terrill said.

    He said Silva is “unknown” to the city’s communities of color, and he called her selection “a tremendous setback” for African-American students and all students of color.

    Tyrone Terrill is a very wise man.

    http://www.twincities.com/2009/11/22/st-paul-school-board-names-valeria-silva-as-new-superintendent/

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Yeah, AmRen has been covering this matter since 2011 or thereabouts. It's old news.

    But maybe a new time to address it is upon us.
    , @AndrewR
    She implies that she's a "woman of color." Ha. I hope she fails miserably.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Doing the jobs American won't do.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    She looks like she has some British ancestry in her, as a lot of Chileans do. That's the whitest country in South American.
  15. You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement.

    You put them in Alternative to Suspension which is a blank room, nothing on the walls, they must eat their lunch there, with nothing to do, no talking, no phones, no nothing but their homework.
    You have at least 4 adults, and an isolation
    room with padded walls in case someone flips out. OH! That’s CRUEL you say. I say it’s cruel to teachers and kids who want to learn, to let feral thugs turn school into a house of horror.

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    • Replies: @guest
    I got In School Suspension a couple of times, and it sucked! All day, one little room, four or five other ne'er-do-wells, and time on your hands.

    Other occasions, I was unable to go on trips due to incomplete homework and what-not, so they stuff us in a room and make us watch movies. That was much better.

  16. I tried to tell my parents that this sort of thing was happening in their granddaughter’s school, but I desisted when I saw how much pain it gave them to hear their son spewing hate.

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  17. The deepest source of the racial-equity discipline gap is profound differences in family structure.

    Same old story. They’ve learned nothing.

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    • Replies: @King Baeksu

    The deepest source of the racial-equity discipline gap is profound differences in family structure.

    Same old story. They’ve learned nothing.
     
    A good start would be to end the whole welfare culture that incentivizes out-of-wedlock births for many minority women, especially African-Americans. Women should be having children only if they want them and can raise them properly, not because it helps them get a check from the government.

    Oh wait, that sounds awfully "racist" of me, doesn't it? Never gonna happen, at least until our whole damn economy comes crashing down.
  18. Web cams in all public school classrooms is the first step. Gotta document, gotta document, gotta document. The next step is who gets to see what’s really happening. Parents, law enforcement, teacher defense lawyers, the public?.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    You really think webcams and documented evidence are going to change anything in a country with a media who acts as if it was Nazi provocateurs at Berkeley?

    Did you live through 2016?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    I LOVE this idea. From your post to God's eyes, then to Trump's nationwide implementation. And a law that anyone with a TV license must broadcast the three most disruptive events every evening on local news.
    , @Langley
    "Web cams in all public school classrooms is the first step. Gotta document, gotta document, gotta document."

    Once again we need to create a security state that punishes everyone because we have to pretend that we do not know who is causing the problems.

    Do you people like waiting in lines at airports?!?
    , @anon
    yes - people need to see it for themselves before they will believe it
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    Great, a world where everywhere becomes World Star Hiphop.
    , @ScarletNumber
    The biggest opponent of cameras in the classroom is teachers.
  19. @Barnard
    I first read about Aaron Benner a couple of years ago when he quit teaching and decided to run for the school board. Eventually he gave up on that. That his first hand accounts were not more persuasive to the public is discouraging.

    Conservatism, Inc. is making a big deal about championing Betsy Devos, but I don't think she has a clue about how to deal with a situation like this. I'm not convinced shutting down the Department of Education would even help, because the state and local people left in control would continue to promote more of the same. Why is it so hard for so many people to understand that there is nothing you can do to make good students out below average intelligence students who don't value any kind of education?

    It’s problem with no solution. If schools tomorrow said that blacks have lower IQs and are more violent, no black would believe it.

    There would be massive riots. It’s too easy for them to blame someone else.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I doubt that.

    Most Caucasian goyim have no problem accepting that Hebrews and orientals have higher IQs on average. Or that orientals tend to be less aggressive. Except for Mongolians ;)
    , @Dr. X

    It’s problem with no solution. If schools tomorrow said that blacks have lower IQs and are more violent, no black would believe it.
     
    Oh, there's a solution, all right. Most states had it figured out right up until about 1954...
    , @Joe Schmoe

    If schools tomorrow said that blacks have lower IQs and are more violent, no black would believe it.
     
    Actually blacks already believe it according to the GSS. It is white liberal utopians who refuse to see the obvious.
  20. We recently moved out of that school district. It’s actually worse than Kersten’s story makes it sound. The elementary, middle schools and high schools where this stuff is happening included the “best” schools, schools with kids on honors tracks to supposedly well respected high schools with IB and extensive AP programs. It’s all burning down.

    St. Paul is a funny town where nice white middle class families were able to maintain their neighborhood and launch their kids to upper middle class lifestyles, and then those kids came home to stay in that town, often moving back within a couple blocks of their childhood homes. These are places where married couples in their 30s-40s send their kids to the schools they went to.

    Some of the schools bearing the brunt of this (Ramsey middle, for one, literally next door to Macalester College) were in old Irish Catholic neighborhoods where people live in white urban communities that have stayed white since their founding. These are now areas with median income above 70k, above 90k. Lots of dual incomes in the 200k range. Home values in the 400-600k range.

    The story doesn’t explain that as a prelude to Silva’s equity issues, the DoJ threatened to and then sued SPPS. The reason? Disparate impact in the rates that kids were labelled “EBD” –Emotionally or Behaviorly Disturbed–
    and removed from mainstream classrooms.

    Black kids were being removed from classroom at a higher rates than their white counterparts. they were sent to special education classes, programs or aometimes separate school rooms/schools.

    Obama’s Doj sued over them. SPPS put these programs in place as a direct response to the suit, to come in line with the DoJ mandates. It was that or pull all funding.

    So that’s why this all exploded. It wasn’t just there were now these new racial equity plans. The kids who before were not in these school rooms because they were out of control were now mainstreamed in them and not punishable.

    Silva was a disaster, but no doubt, this was Obama’s stick.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    How long do you think it will take before it spreads into the inner ring suburbs or has that happened already?
    , @Anonymous
    I love hearing this kind of stuff. Schadenfreude baby! Nice white liberals and progressives having their libtopias directly affected by their liberal politics. Can wait for their kids to enjoy the effects of open borders, which their parents staunchly supported and moralized about.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    I saw this play out three times; in East Orange, New Jersey, Trenton, New Jersey, and my home city in Massachusetts. All three were rock solid middle class communities with long-established, White ethnic neighborhoods. It was literally impossible to imagine how they could morph as quickly as they did into slums. In East Orange the process began as soon as Negroes showed up and was essentially complete in the year I lived there. In Trenton it took a year or two longer. It's still slouching towards completion in my home town but the place is already a very unpleasant place in which to live or tarry.
    , @Jack D
    The irony is that this doesn't create integrated schools, it causes the remaining whites to flee the school system or even the city. At which point the schools become 100% minority so it's no longer possible for them to have disparate impact because everyone is the same race. At that point the schools are horrible, but they are not horribly racist, so no one cares.
  21. @Luke Lea
    Web cams in all public school classrooms is the first step. Gotta document, gotta document, gotta document. The next step is who gets to see what's really happening. Parents, law enforcement, teacher defense lawyers, the public?.

    You really think webcams and documented evidence are going to change anything in a country with a media who acts as if it was Nazi provocateurs at Berkeley?

    Did you live through 2016?

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Good point. The Overton Window is in a weird place right now. Trump is definitely outside of it.
    , @anon
    webcams (or at least smartphones) have changed things as people gradually see evidence the media has hidden for decades
  22. Private schools. Kill the public system.

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Why not just kill schooling while we're at it?

    What's the point of it anyway?

    Is there any proof it works better than other ways of imparting knowledge?

    The smart will have smarter kids and ensmarten them. The dim will produce dullards and nothing will dedoltulate them.

    Apart from that all schools can do is ensure each type of kid gets placed in an appropriately sustaining track and kept there, learning what they can along the way

    But shouldn't that be the role of families and local communities?

    Having said that, American public schools did a good job back when the nation was 90% white and schools aimed to support the vast middle in its movement toward a robust middle class existence.

    That all ended when people considering themselves Smarter Than You (actually the 34.1% at mean to +1 SD IQ) remade the institution to pander to the left 40% and the votes of their own cohort. Starting with Emma Lazarus's time IIRC.

    As a result today we have millions of people who exist only to proliferate stupidity and ensure their careers as dolt-wranglers. They are excreting bricks now that so many former true believers are seeing what they have wrought socially, politically, morally, and genetically.

  23. The key is vouchers with no strings attached. Let the parents flee these schools and pick ones that maintain order and discipline. Also pass laws giving teachers more authority to remove disruptive students from their classrooms.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The key is vouchers with no strings attached. Let the parents flee these schools and pick ones that maintain order and discipline.
     
    Vouchers are likely to be educational voodoo everybit as much as all the liberal policies (more money!). The key is to allow people to opt out of paying for public schooling if they are not using it. Short of that, remove the education colleges, which are hives of leftist dogma, from having any say-so over or influence upon teacher qualifications.
    , @MadDog
    No way. Let parents pay for their children. Vouchers put ghetto kids into nice private schoools. Many parents sacrifice to put their children in private schools. It is inherently unfair to let ghetto people toss their children in said schools, paid for by the taxpayer, including the tax paying parents already sacrificing and paying their children's way. I am a No on vouchers.
    , @anonymous
    YO - Vouchers make it section8 education. Baaaaad news
    , @Lurker
    The key is a place called Africa. The cost of one-way trips, especially organised on a large scale, will be dwarfed by the long term savings.
    , @Olorin
    Can't agree, Sean.

    Vouchers do nothing but pile the ineducable and unruly into better schools...for which I'm already being reamed thousands of dollars per year in real estate taxes.

    All they can contribute is the disorder, stupidity, and criminality they bring with them, which was the cause of their former schools being latrines.

    If teachers could remove the disruptive from their classrooms, where would they go?

    All you'd end up with is formerly good schools and the same set of problems we have now. And a bazillion more expensive dolt-wrangling Programs.

    We need to attack this entire problem from its supply side: r-strategy reproduction, low-IQ reproduction, and immigration from low-IQ nations/peoples.

    Humanity does not evolve and thrive where the worst are full of passionate intensity (so to speak) and the best lack all conviction.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    sean, Cleveland give vouchers to parents who place their children in private or Catholic schools. School can be outside of the district, but child has to live in the district.
  24. @Luke Lea
    Web cams in all public school classrooms is the first step. Gotta document, gotta document, gotta document. The next step is who gets to see what's really happening. Parents, law enforcement, teacher defense lawyers, the public?.

    I LOVE this idea. From your post to God’s eyes, then to Trump’s nationwide implementation. And a law that anyone with a TV license must broadcast the three most disruptive events every evening on local news.

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  25. @Barnard
    I first read about Aaron Benner a couple of years ago when he quit teaching and decided to run for the school board. Eventually he gave up on that. That his first hand accounts were not more persuasive to the public is discouraging.

    Conservatism, Inc. is making a big deal about championing Betsy Devos, but I don't think she has a clue about how to deal with a situation like this. I'm not convinced shutting down the Department of Education would even help, because the state and local people left in control would continue to promote more of the same. Why is it so hard for so many people to understand that there is nothing you can do to make good students out below average intelligence students who don't value any kind of education?

    Blame John Locke and the tabula rasa. Then blame an inability of Leftists to learn from experience.

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    • Replies: @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    Then blame an inability of Leftists to learn from experience.

    One, almost by definition, Leftists don't learn from experience. They are never wrong, it's never their fault.

    Two, that's being charitable and assuming they aren't being destructive on purpose. I think they probably want to generate chaos.
    , @Lot

    Blame John Locke and the tabula rasa.
     
    Please don't.

    Locke's point on tabula rasa was that people were not born with ideas (like "dog," and "loud") but required sensory input to form them. His argument against Descartes and Plato and had nothing to do with behavioral or intellectual egalitarianism.
    , @anon
    no, blame Boas and the cultural Marxists
    , @Jack D
    Leftism is immune to empirical testing. If a Leftist nostrum fails (as they always do), then it just means that you didn't try hard enough or your were sabotaged by wreckers and next time you have to try harder, shoot any stragglers who are not with the program and apply your remedy in an even purer form.

    If requiring that blacks be suspended in the same proportion as whites doesn't fix everything, then next time do away with suspension completely - disciplinary problems are not really the student's fault, they are the fault of society and the system, so why should he and his education suffer?He has not failed the system, the system has failed him. The system, and especially the racist teachers and administrators, needs to find a way to educate ALL students, regardless of color. Black Lives Matter! NEXT TIME, it will work.
  26. World Star High School videos? Imagine the impact of those videos on a public that has absolutely no idea what goes on in schools. Nostalgia, vague memories and anecdotes pale in comparison to the visceral impact of classroom, school bus and lunchroom antics, er, crimes.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Ivy, I placed the blame squarely on the backs of unionized public school teachers who will "walk" for any mere infraction of their contract, but won't stand up tp the community when they are literally beaten into the hospital.
  27. A great article. Avoiding the obvious has become an art form for the left. For example, there’s a reason that the word “equality” looks so similar to the word “quality.” That’s because the word “equality” is literally the negation of quality. The absence of quality. The prefix “e” means “the absence of.” (The more commonly used prefix is “a”, as in “atypical,” but both “a” and “e” as a negating prefix evolved from the much older form, “ae”.)

    Trying to achieve an “absence of quality” (or an absence of difference) among human beings would be nothing short of absurd, so it should be obvious that “equality” among human beings (as mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, for instance) can be realized only in a highly contextual sense. Only in the abstract can it exist, such as my vote is equal to your vote and every other person’s vote, and so on.

    Only clones can be created equal, not naturally born men and women. Yet the left keeps trying to make people equal to each other in the same way that 2+2=4. And the more they attempt to do this, the worse the results are, and the less “equal” people become. Ultimately, people, as a group, can’t be improved by other people. They can only be improved by life. Or evolution. Or Darwinism…whatever you want to call it. Here are the results of St. Paul’s equality of education push under Valeria Silva:

    http://www.better-ed.org/chart/st-paul-math-proficiency-under-valeria-silva

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    • Replies: @Weltanschauung
    Your atymology is etrocious.
    , @Marat Said
    Your etymology is way off.
    "a-" as a prefix meaning "not" comes directly from the Greek, and has no relationship to the Latin "ae".

    Although equality and quality look similar, they're not related at all.
    Equality derives from the Latin noun aequalitas, which comes from the adjective aequalis "uniform, the same", which in turn derived from Latin aequus "flat, level". The "ae" is not a prefix here, but part of the root.
    Quality comes from the Latin qualitas, a neologism created, it seems, by Cicero to translate the Greek noun poiotes, using the Latin adjective qualis "what kind of" as a base.
  28. And the failed superintendent gets bought out for $800K. Smh.
    And I bet she gets another job.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Coming soon to a theater near you, or you, or you...
    , @Jim Don Bob
    The POC babe who presided over Atlanta's widespread test cheating was named School Superintedent of the Year.
    , @Lugash
    Latina woman? Without a doubt.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    EriK, Buffalo changes black school superintendents about every three years and they always find another job. BPS pays them about $250K per yr plus benefits and the one before our new sup was Pamela Brown, who was so unqualified, that the state hired a mentor for on the job training. Cleveland had Barbara Byrd Bennett, who left under a cloud and went to Chicago, where she was indicted by the feds. Give them what they want, but make them live with the results.
  29. @Barnard
    I first read about Aaron Benner a couple of years ago when he quit teaching and decided to run for the school board. Eventually he gave up on that. That his first hand accounts were not more persuasive to the public is discouraging.

    Conservatism, Inc. is making a big deal about championing Betsy Devos, but I don't think she has a clue about how to deal with a situation like this. I'm not convinced shutting down the Department of Education would even help, because the state and local people left in control would continue to promote more of the same. Why is it so hard for so many people to understand that there is nothing you can do to make good students out below average intelligence students who don't value any kind of education?

    Separate School and State.

    Stop taking money at gunpoint to fund bogus education.

    Close the Department of Education.

    Close government schools.

    Let parents make their own decisions as to their children’s upbringing.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    That would be the ideal solution. Far too many people are invested in the status quo to let anything approaching that happen.
    , @Achmed E Newman
    Finally! That should have been said in comment 1 (I was dozing, sorry ....)
    , @415 reasons
    The disruptive kids in St. Paul and everywhere else would probably not attend school if there were no free, default, public option. That would probably be good for every student in those communities who actually wants to learn.
    , @Formerly CARealist
    While I agree with you, and apparently several others do too, if you say "homeschooling" on this blog, a few commenters will jump down your throat and tell you you're horribly wrong.

    but I'll say it to individuals, not the whole of society. Try it for a year, especially if you have little ones, and see if you aren't elated at the results.

    Again, I say this to individuals, not the world.
  30. @Barnard
    I first read about Aaron Benner a couple of years ago when he quit teaching and decided to run for the school board. Eventually he gave up on that. That his first hand accounts were not more persuasive to the public is discouraging.

    Conservatism, Inc. is making a big deal about championing Betsy Devos, but I don't think she has a clue about how to deal with a situation like this. I'm not convinced shutting down the Department of Education would even help, because the state and local people left in control would continue to promote more of the same. Why is it so hard for so many people to understand that there is nothing you can do to make good students out below average intelligence students who don't value any kind of education?

    At least we could get the federal government out of meddling via top-down policies ala the Obama admin. Also, the general push for school choice can hardly be a net negative

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    As a commenter at iSteve once put it, "School choice is Section 8 for education." Not a good idea.
  31. @George
    You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement.

    " Teacher Donna Wu was caught in a fight " Say what? That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson, not Donna Wu teach for America types.

    “You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement.”

    Punish the trouble makers on the street.

    Let the kids in the schools who want to learn, learn.

    That IS an improvement.

    “” Teacher Donna Wu was caught in a fight ” Say what? That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson, not Donna Wu teach for America types.”

    No. It needs to be free of trouble so that teachers can teach.

    Black teachers are NOT more effective than Asian.

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  32. @Luke Lea
    Web cams in all public school classrooms is the first step. Gotta document, gotta document, gotta document. The next step is who gets to see what's really happening. Parents, law enforcement, teacher defense lawyers, the public?.

    “Web cams in all public school classrooms is the first step. Gotta document, gotta document, gotta document.”

    Once again we need to create a security state that punishes everyone because we have to pretend that we do not know who is causing the problems.

    Do you people like waiting in lines at airports?!?

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    • Agree: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @anon

    because we have to pretend that we do not know who is causing the problems.
     
    most people don't know - you need people to see the truth with their own eyes
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    This is going to get worse because we now are plagued by a generation of liberal ideologues and policy setters who never went to public schools, and who are completely out-of-touch with today’s educational reality. Before, they might have gotten a clue, but not anymore. They have zero experience with out-of-control classrooms and genuine sociopathic thugs running wild. Liberals don’t even believe they exist. If you tell them public schools are plagued by violent black kids who belong in military-style reform schools instead of destroying everyone else’s chance to get an education, liberals will fly into a tantrum and put their figures in their ears and say, “La la la, I can’t hear you.”

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  34. I actually talked with the Head of Equity for St Paul Schools two years ago, and I thought, “they have a Department of Equity? That’s….funny.”

    He sounded like a true believer.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    This only ends when blacks decide they want it to end. This shit is crack for goodwhites.

    I've seen it destroy the morale of a suburban school with a grand total of five blacks because two of those blacks knew how to play the goodwhites.

    , @Marat Said
    I was recently reading about the city of Boston's 1 billion dollar proposed budget for next year, and noticed an Assistant Superintendent of Social Emotional Learning and Wellness.

    Which of course implies there's a full Superintendent of the same.
    , @guest
    The MN state education department used to be called the Department Children, Families, and Learning. I kid you not.
    , @Pericles
    Quite foolish to appoint a zealot to a sinecure. But not uncommon these days.
  35. @George
    You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement.

    " Teacher Donna Wu was caught in a fight " Say what? That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson, not Donna Wu teach for America types.

    There is no need to suspend the trouble makers. NYC once had “discipline” schools” for students like these until progs forced their elimination. Lock the most troublesome students up for eight hours a day, six days a week, in discipline schools. Chain them to their desks and let them be taught by teachers isolated from them by a bullet proof barrier. Feed them only foods recommended by our ex, affirmative action, first lady. Let them prey on one another with escalating consequences for serious harm/crime. Let them leave these schools only when they are testing up to to grade level or are past the age when they must be retained. Have 24/7, escape-proof boarding schools for those who cannot be constrained even by such discipline schools.

    “That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson…”

    The Coleman Report found that one of the strongest correlates of poor teaching performance was race. (For obvious reasons, this result is buried in the appendices.) My observation is that in general Negro teachers are worse teachers, by almost any measure of performance than teachers of other races. The Bayesian computed odds are that a teacher named Tameka Johnson, or Shitavious Royalton for that matter, is probably going to be a worse teacher than someone with a name that is less of a dog whistle indicating the bearer is a Negro .

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    • Replies: @Lot

    My observation is that in general Negro teachers are worse teachers, by almost any measure of performance than teachers of other races.
     
    That was not my experience at all.

    I also think people worry about "teacher quality" too much in general. Of course there are better and worse ones. But teaching reading, writing, and rithmatic is a skill a lot of people have, and schools generally are able to weed out people who lack the skill.

    Another reason I think most teachers in the USA tend to be good is that schools are able to match roles to the teacher. The sweet natured one who can't handle a room full of brats will do home ec or art and get a smaller classroom of mostly girls. The less intelligent but highly patient one will teach remedial reading.
    , @Formerly CARealist
    Why? Why force them to endure an education that will not help them in any way? Let them go out and get jobs. Let them see what kind of work is available to someone with an 8th grade education. The smarter ones will figure out how to behave and get more education (or even just a diploma) and the slower ones will be stuck in the work that they were going to be qualified for anyway.

    The problem is this idea that a high school diploma is for everyone. it's not. No more than a college education is for everyone.
    , @IAmCorn
    I can't speak with much experience on this, went to a rural school with an all white faculty and nearly all white student body, but as far as the discussion about black teachers go, I was thinking.

    Maybe the schools don't need black teachers named Tameka (female) but what about black men. What if some city or state started an effort to recruit black ex-NCOs or athletes as teachers?

    I don't think most inner city youth need pious white or Asian ladies teaching them.....a gruff black man who'd show them who's top dog would probably be better.
    , @CAL
    There was a sci-fi story from the 70's that was pretty much exactly that except the kids were drugged, had individual computer on their desks, and were separated by a barrier from the teacher.
  36. @EriK
    And the failed superintendent gets bought out for $800K. Smh.
    And I bet she gets another job.

    Coming soon to a theater near you, or you, or you…

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  37. My friend is a teacher in a school for children who have been kicked out of normal school (they are all black). If she looks away from her purse for a minute, they will boost something. Then she’ll be depressed the whole next day. She tries really hard to teach them but on the state exams they won’t even write answers into the tests. I feel like it’s a waste of a good teacher. I wish we would just let ourselves give up on the unteachable so we could divert resources to more and better classes for those with greater competencies.

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    • Replies: @ScarletNumber

    I feel like it’s a waste of a good teacher.
     
    If she is such a good teacher, why does she teach in alternative school.
    , @Joe Schmoe

    She tries really hard to teach them but on the state exams they won’t even write answers into the tests. I feel like it’s a waste of a good teacher.
     
    No offense, but that is sending a girl to do a man's job. She may well be a good teacher, that is if she were teaching AP classes to Asians, but emotionally disturbed blacks need a strong black man as step one. A black man won't make the students any smarter, but it could at least work on the root of their problem which is psychological and social.
  38. @Alice
    We recently moved out of that school district. It's actually worse than Kersten's story makes it sound. The elementary, middle schools and high schools where this stuff is happening included the "best" schools, schools with kids on honors tracks to supposedly well respected high schools with IB and extensive AP programs. It's all burning down.

    St. Paul is a funny town where nice white middle class families were able to maintain their neighborhood and launch their kids to upper middle class lifestyles, and then those kids came home to stay in that town, often moving back within a couple blocks of their childhood homes. These are places where married couples in their 30s-40s send their kids to the schools they went to.

    Some of the schools bearing the brunt of this (Ramsey middle, for one, literally next door to Macalester College) were in old Irish Catholic neighborhoods where people live in white urban communities that have stayed white since their founding. These are now areas with median income above 70k, above 90k. Lots of dual incomes in the 200k range. Home values in the 400-600k range.

    The story doesn't explain that as a prelude to Silva's equity issues, the DoJ threatened to and then sued SPPS. The reason? Disparate impact in the rates that kids were labelled "EBD" --Emotionally or Behaviorly Disturbed--
    and removed from mainstream classrooms.

    Black kids were being removed from classroom at a higher rates than their white counterparts. they were sent to special education classes, programs or aometimes separate school rooms/schools.

    Obama's Doj sued over them. SPPS put these programs in place as a direct response to the suit, to come in line with the DoJ mandates. It was that or pull all funding.

    So that's why this all exploded. It wasn't just there were now these new racial equity plans. The kids who before were not in these school rooms because they were out of control were now mainstreamed in them and not punishable.

    Silva was a disaster, but no doubt, this was Obama's stick.

    How long do you think it will take before it spreads into the inner ring suburbs or has that happened already?

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    • Replies: @Alice
    The discipline problems are spreading. Minneapolis and anoka-hennepin, the other major districts, have fallen in line with the mainstreaming of ebd kids.

    Our kids were in a private school. That school began to take in more kids "escaping" these troubled schools, but some of the kids have massive issues and We're the problem. The admins couldn't let Crime think happen, so they too started implementing PBIS and all sorts of "coddle the perpetrator and blame the victims" discipline models.

    The first ring suburbs can't hold out because they are absorbing immigrants too fast anyway. Roseville hs had to have armed guards in the cafeteria after Trump won. Richfield no longer has a HS hockey team because there aren't enough whites left. Edina is the pearl of the first ring. It already has equity directors and a new equity model.

    The second ring can't hold out if trump allows any of FFFH to go through.

    All admins were all marinated in the same SJW beliefs, so they are all true believers.

    I was once worked as a consultant in education there. If you said that one way to close the gap was for urban schools to spend more hours educating those kids relative to the high performers, people were aghast. That was crimethink.
  39. @Langley
    Separate School and State.

    Stop taking money at gunpoint to fund bogus education.

    Close the Department of Education.

    Close government schools.

    Let parents make their own decisions as to their children's upbringing.

    That would be the ideal solution. Far too many people are invested in the status quo to let anything approaching that happen.

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  40. @Barnard
    I first read about Aaron Benner a couple of years ago when he quit teaching and decided to run for the school board. Eventually he gave up on that. That his first hand accounts were not more persuasive to the public is discouraging.

    Conservatism, Inc. is making a big deal about championing Betsy Devos, but I don't think she has a clue about how to deal with a situation like this. I'm not convinced shutting down the Department of Education would even help, because the state and local people left in control would continue to promote more of the same. Why is it so hard for so many people to understand that there is nothing you can do to make good students out below average intelligence students who don't value any kind of education?

    Of course none of the solutions mentioned will not work. EVERYBODY with half a functioning neuron in their brain knows what is going on. However, there is nothing you can do politically. The Democrats have their BS and the Republicans theirs. When the Dems get in the answer is more money for schools when the Repubs get in, it is school choice. They all know (and probably secretly admit) that these students are just plain stupid as well as lazy.

    The only thing that will work is involuntary military academies for all the trash – black, white, brown, and yellow. Try getting that through Congress and signed by the President.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Of course none of the solutions mentioned will work.

    Put one too many not in there.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Military academies? We teach em to shoot?
    , @Pat Boyle
    The idea that military schools is the answer to bad student behavior strikes me as naïve. I went to Catholic military high school (St Johns in Washington D.C.). The reason my parents were willing to pay tuition was not my comportment but the supposedly better academics available in a Catholic school.

    I revolted when I was a junior and thereafter went to the local public high school (Washington-Lee in Arlington, Va.). But much to my amazement student behavior was much less riotous and out-of-control than it ever had been in military school. Part of the reason was simply that boys didn't want to misbehave in the presence of girls.

    In military school I was forced to cheat. In history class every boy in class would simply open the text and put it in their lap when there was a test. Since most of the history tests were about the simple recall of dates, cheaters had a huge advantage. In spite of the fact that we said a rosary every day virtually every student cheated on every test.

    The Brothers hit the students frequently. But even corporal punishment couldn't make all those male teenagers behave. I never saw a single student in my public high school cheat.

    The answer is simple. If a student can't behave or even maintain a 'C' average - just put them in prison. The white kids won't find it hard to abide by the new rules - there will be few prison sentences. If the black students can't adapt they were probably destined for the Big House anyway.
    , @Thirdeye
    Black kids are surprisingly receptive to military-style structure in the classroom. As far as they're concerned it's like playing Army. ROTC is a very popular elective in black schools.
  41. @Tiny Duck
    There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children. When this information is given to the leadership at schools, instead of asking the hard questions they simply justify it. Either way, there is enough blame to go around, on the parents, on children, and yes, on school administrators also. I am part of the problem and so are you. Its that simple.

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood? No you haven't... Yet you speak as if your a subject matter expert on the black community, then you conclude by referring to the "democrats" and their policies. Your comments simply reveals your deep seated ignorance, bias, and anger, all of which is the natrual consequence of watching propagandist news while doing little to inform yourself on how the real world works.

    Do youself a favor, read some credible material on the topic then follow up with some real life experiences and watch how much your perspective changes.... If you choose not to do this, its because your enjoy your anger and pity party where you get to blame everyone else for issues that happen in your country. Either way, it would do you well to look in the mirror.

    Then you should be for all black schools taught by an all black faculty – something every white parent wants. Yet, you would bitch about that.

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  42. @MarkinLA
    Of course none of the solutions mentioned will not work. EVERYBODY with half a functioning neuron in their brain knows what is going on. However, there is nothing you can do politically. The Democrats have their BS and the Republicans theirs. When the Dems get in the answer is more money for schools when the Repubs get in, it is school choice. They all know (and probably secretly admit) that these students are just plain stupid as well as lazy.

    The only thing that will work is involuntary military academies for all the trash - black, white, brown, and yellow. Try getting that through Congress and signed by the President.

    Of course none of the solutions mentioned will work.

    Put one too many not in there.

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  43. @J1234
    A great article. Avoiding the obvious has become an art form for the left. For example, there's a reason that the word "equality" looks so similar to the word "quality." That's because the word "equality" is literally the negation of quality. The absence of quality. The prefix "e" means "the absence of." (The more commonly used prefix is "a", as in "atypical," but both "a" and "e" as a negating prefix evolved from the much older form, "ae".)

    Trying to achieve an "absence of quality" (or an absence of difference) among human beings would be nothing short of absurd, so it should be obvious that "equality" among human beings (as mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, for instance) can be realized only in a highly contextual sense. Only in the abstract can it exist, such as my vote is equal to your vote and every other person's vote, and so on.

    Only clones can be created equal, not naturally born men and women. Yet the left keeps trying to make people equal to each other in the same way that 2+2=4. And the more they attempt to do this, the worse the results are, and the less "equal" people become. Ultimately, people, as a group, can't be improved by other people. They can only be improved by life. Or evolution. Or Darwinism...whatever you want to call it. Here are the results of St. Paul's equality of education push under Valeria Silva:

    http://www.better-ed.org/chart/st-paul-math-proficiency-under-valeria-silva

    Your atymology is etrocious.

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  44. @Anon
    How does the federal bureaucracy handle big ideological shifts like the one between the Obama administration and the Trump administration? How can you go from enforcing one set of standards to enforcing its complete opposite?

    Good question. It’s never happened in recent memory. Certainly the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama reign involved no dramatic reversals to the leftward stranglehold on the bureaucracy.

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  45. @Tiny Duck
    There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children. When this information is given to the leadership at schools, instead of asking the hard questions they simply justify it. Either way, there is enough blame to go around, on the parents, on children, and yes, on school administrators also. I am part of the problem and so are you. Its that simple.

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood? No you haven't... Yet you speak as if your a subject matter expert on the black community, then you conclude by referring to the "democrats" and their policies. Your comments simply reveals your deep seated ignorance, bias, and anger, all of which is the natrual consequence of watching propagandist news while doing little to inform yourself on how the real world works.

    Do youself a favor, read some credible material on the topic then follow up with some real life experiences and watch how much your perspective changes.... If you choose not to do this, its because your enjoy your anger and pity party where you get to blame everyone else for issues that happen in your country. Either way, it would do you well to look in the mirror.

    You copied this comment from the comment thread at City Journal.

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    • Replies: @CCZ
    So Tiny Duck has transformed into "Jack McDonald · Works at NAS Meridian" (City Journal commenter name). This is definitely an improvement, not the usual harangue that America will be better once people of color are the majority. Can we expect more of these copied comments?
    , @ganderson
    I noticed that too
    , @ATate
    Good catch! Although I doubt Tiny Duck is the same person who made the comment in City Journal. We all know he's a troll/pet/mild amusement to have around. Sometimes we want to believe he's using his own words, but now we know instead of a very good troll, we just have a copy pasta troll.

    Disappointing.
  46. @J1234
    A great article. Avoiding the obvious has become an art form for the left. For example, there's a reason that the word "equality" looks so similar to the word "quality." That's because the word "equality" is literally the negation of quality. The absence of quality. The prefix "e" means "the absence of." (The more commonly used prefix is "a", as in "atypical," but both "a" and "e" as a negating prefix evolved from the much older form, "ae".)

    Trying to achieve an "absence of quality" (or an absence of difference) among human beings would be nothing short of absurd, so it should be obvious that "equality" among human beings (as mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, for instance) can be realized only in a highly contextual sense. Only in the abstract can it exist, such as my vote is equal to your vote and every other person's vote, and so on.

    Only clones can be created equal, not naturally born men and women. Yet the left keeps trying to make people equal to each other in the same way that 2+2=4. And the more they attempt to do this, the worse the results are, and the less "equal" people become. Ultimately, people, as a group, can't be improved by other people. They can only be improved by life. Or evolution. Or Darwinism...whatever you want to call it. Here are the results of St. Paul's equality of education push under Valeria Silva:

    http://www.better-ed.org/chart/st-paul-math-proficiency-under-valeria-silva

    Your etymology is way off.
    “a-” as a prefix meaning “not” comes directly from the Greek, and has no relationship to the Latin “ae”.

    Although equality and quality look similar, they’re not related at all.
    Equality derives from the Latin noun aequalitas, which comes from the adjective aequalis “uniform, the same”, which in turn derived from Latin aequus “flat, level”. The “ae” is not a prefix here, but part of the root.
    Quality comes from the Latin qualitas, a neologism created, it seems, by Cicero to translate the Greek noun poiotes, using the Latin adjective qualis “what kind of” as a base.

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    Quality comes from the Latin qualitas, a neologism created, it seems, by Cicero to translate the Greek noun poiotes, using the Latin adjective qualis “what kind of” as a base.
     
    So, "kindness" then.

    There's a certain poetic justice to that.
  47. @Spotted Toad
    I actually talked with the Head of Equity for St Paul Schools two years ago, and I thought, "they have a Department of Equity? That's....funny."

    He sounded like a true believer.

    This only ends when blacks decide they want it to end. This shit is crack for goodwhites.

    I’ve seen it destroy the morale of a suburban school with a grand total of five blacks because two of those blacks knew how to play the goodwhites.

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  48. @Langley
    Separate School and State.

    Stop taking money at gunpoint to fund bogus education.

    Close the Department of Education.

    Close government schools.

    Let parents make their own decisions as to their children's upbringing.

    Finally! That should have been said in comment 1 (I was dozing, sorry ….)

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  49. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Blame John Locke and the tabula rasa. Then blame an inability of Leftists to learn from experience.

    Then blame an inability of Leftists to learn from experience.

    One, almost by definition, Leftists don’t learn from experience. They are never wrong, it’s never their fault.

    Two, that’s being charitable and assuming they aren’t being destructive on purpose. I think they probably want to generate chaos.

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  50. @Tiny Duck
    There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children. When this information is given to the leadership at schools, instead of asking the hard questions they simply justify it. Either way, there is enough blame to go around, on the parents, on children, and yes, on school administrators also. I am part of the problem and so are you. Its that simple.

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood? No you haven't... Yet you speak as if your a subject matter expert on the black community, then you conclude by referring to the "democrats" and their policies. Your comments simply reveals your deep seated ignorance, bias, and anger, all of which is the natrual consequence of watching propagandist news while doing little to inform yourself on how the real world works.

    Do youself a favor, read some credible material on the topic then follow up with some real life experiences and watch how much your perspective changes.... If you choose not to do this, its because your enjoy your anger and pity party where you get to blame everyone else for issues that happen in your country. Either way, it would do you well to look in the mirror.

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood?

    Yes.

    You know who hates this nonsense the worst? Black parents.

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  51. @Marat Said
    Your etymology is way off.
    "a-" as a prefix meaning "not" comes directly from the Greek, and has no relationship to the Latin "ae".

    Although equality and quality look similar, they're not related at all.
    Equality derives from the Latin noun aequalitas, which comes from the adjective aequalis "uniform, the same", which in turn derived from Latin aequus "flat, level". The "ae" is not a prefix here, but part of the root.
    Quality comes from the Latin qualitas, a neologism created, it seems, by Cicero to translate the Greek noun poiotes, using the Latin adjective qualis "what kind of" as a base.

    Quality comes from the Latin qualitas, a neologism created, it seems, by Cicero to translate the Greek noun poiotes, using the Latin adjective qualis “what kind of” as a base.

    So, “kindness” then.

    There’s a certain poetic justice to that.

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  52. @Spotted Toad
    I actually talked with the Head of Equity for St Paul Schools two years ago, and I thought, "they have a Department of Equity? That's....funny."

    He sounded like a true believer.

    I was recently reading about the city of Boston’s 1 billion dollar proposed budget for next year, and noticed an Assistant Superintendent of Social Emotional Learning and Wellness.

    Which of course implies there’s a full Superintendent of the same.

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    Actually, it doesn't imply that at all.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Marat, I am surprised that Boston's school budget is ONLY $1 billion. Buffalo's budget, when you add in grants, has exceeded $1 billion for years.
    , @Ivy
    Social Wellness Emotional Learning Liaison.
    Or, as Clint Eastwood said, "Swell!"
  53. @Tiny Duck
    There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children. When this information is given to the leadership at schools, instead of asking the hard questions they simply justify it. Either way, there is enough blame to go around, on the parents, on children, and yes, on school administrators also. I am part of the problem and so are you. Its that simple.

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood? No you haven't... Yet you speak as if your a subject matter expert on the black community, then you conclude by referring to the "democrats" and their policies. Your comments simply reveals your deep seated ignorance, bias, and anger, all of which is the natrual consequence of watching propagandist news while doing little to inform yourself on how the real world works.

    Do youself a favor, read some credible material on the topic then follow up with some real life experiences and watch how much your perspective changes.... If you choose not to do this, its because your enjoy your anger and pity party where you get to blame everyone else for issues that happen in your country. Either way, it would do you well to look in the mirror.

    There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children.

    Your so-called proof is bogus. There is substantial evidence that blacks, as a group, have a significantly lower IQ than every other group – lower than that of whites by an entire standard deviation.

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood?

    No. No sane white person wants to.

    Either way, it would do you well to look in the mirror.

    It would do you well to stop performing your extended autocephalocolonoscopy.

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  54. @Tiny Duck
    There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children. When this information is given to the leadership at schools, instead of asking the hard questions they simply justify it. Either way, there is enough blame to go around, on the parents, on children, and yes, on school administrators also. I am part of the problem and so are you. Its that simple.

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood? No you haven't... Yet you speak as if your a subject matter expert on the black community, then you conclude by referring to the "democrats" and their policies. Your comments simply reveals your deep seated ignorance, bias, and anger, all of which is the natrual consequence of watching propagandist news while doing little to inform yourself on how the real world works.

    Do youself a favor, read some credible material on the topic then follow up with some real life experiences and watch how much your perspective changes.... If you choose not to do this, its because your enjoy your anger and pity party where you get to blame everyone else for issues that happen in your country. Either way, it would do you well to look in the mirror.

    Oh baby I did. Far worse than you can ever understand.

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  55. @sean c
    The key is vouchers with no strings attached. Let the parents flee these schools and pick ones that maintain order and discipline. Also pass laws giving teachers more authority to remove disruptive students from their classrooms.

    The key is vouchers with no strings attached. Let the parents flee these schools and pick ones that maintain order and discipline.

    Vouchers are likely to be educational voodoo everybit as much as all the liberal policies (more money!). The key is to allow people to opt out of paying for public schooling if they are not using it. Short of that, remove the education colleges, which are hives of leftist dogma, from having any say-so over or influence upon teacher qualifications.

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  56. @sean c
    The key is vouchers with no strings attached. Let the parents flee these schools and pick ones that maintain order and discipline. Also pass laws giving teachers more authority to remove disruptive students from their classrooms.

    No way. Let parents pay for their children. Vouchers put ghetto kids into nice private schoools. Many parents sacrifice to put their children in private schools. It is inherently unfair to let ghetto people toss their children in said schools, paid for by the taxpayer, including the tax paying parents already sacrificing and paying their children’s way. I am a No on vouchers.

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    • Replies: @Sean c
    Any private school worth going to has admissions tests and other thing to weed out the unwanted.
  57. @keuril
    You copied this comment from the comment thread at City Journal.

    So Tiny Duck has transformed into “Jack McDonald · Works at NAS Meridian” (City Journal commenter name). This is definitely an improvement, not the usual harangue that America will be better once people of color are the majority. Can we expect more of these copied comments?

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    re: Tiny Duck, "Can we expect more of these copied comments?" He frequently lifts things from that stoopid site Very Smart Brothers
  58. I live in MN, and my Mom is a retired high school teacher. She gets the union magazine, and occasionally I thumb through it. Every single issue is about the Gap. Every single one.

    They are obsessed, and rightly so. The Gap shall never be filled, therefore they’ll never stop being paid. Unless we forget about the Gap, which they won’t let us do. Or we suddenly start Noticing as a society, and what are the odds?

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  59. @SPMoore8
    They learned that “shouting out” answers in class and lack of punctuality are black cultural traits and that what may seem to be defiant student behavior is, in fact, just a culturally conditioned expression of “enthusiasm.”

    "enthusiastically late" sounds like something that could become popular.

    Yes, they are “cultural traits.” Bad cultural traits. If schools can’t even pound traits like that out of kids, what the hell are they good for?

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  60. @Anon
    How does the federal bureaucracy handle big ideological shifts like the one between the Obama administration and the Trump administration? How can you go from enforcing one set of standards to enforcing its complete opposite?

    You don’t. Politics don’t have as much to do with government as you might think. Most of the time they go on doing what they’ve been doing. The president has outsized power for an individual, but it’s like trying to reverse course on a supertanker by dragging your hand in the water like a rudder.

    Look at how much energy is being expended on the travel ban, and how much is actually changing. Then think what a miniscule part of immigration policy as a whole that constitutes, and how closely Trump is in fact following policies set down by Obama (though in dramatic fashion). That’s not all Trump’s doing, but it’s plenty of doing, and there’s almost nothing to show for it.

    Then there’s the rest of the permanent government, department after department, including education. The vast majority can rest easy, assured that things will pretty much stay the same. Some will be forced to do what they don’t wanna do, others will be out on their asses. But the juggernaut juggers on.

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  61. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Blame John Locke and the tabula rasa. Then blame an inability of Leftists to learn from experience.

    Blame John Locke and the tabula rasa.

    Please don’t.

    Locke’s point on tabula rasa was that people were not born with ideas (like “dog,” and “loud”) but required sensory input to form them. His argument against Descartes and Plato and had nothing to do with behavioral or intellectual egalitarianism.

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    All one needs know about Locke is that Bishop Berkeley, certified lunatic and he of "esse est percipi," set up his philosophy as a commonsense alternative to radical, Lockean empiricism.
    , @johnnt
    Bruh, Locke has this thought experiment where you take the soul of a prince and transfer it into the body of a commoner. Then the commoner becomes the prince, according to Locke. The soul is the sum total of impressions, produced by experiences. Locke's vision does not assume HBD differences between a commoner or king. One may disagree with Locke, but Lockean empiricism is pretty radical stuff!
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    As much as I would prefer not to contradict you, I must honor Antigone.

    Shall we join the "dispute between rationalism and empiricism"? Oh yes, we must.

    Locke was wrong, because empiricism is wrong.

    The scraped tablet does not account for the acquisition of language (and yes, I am aware that it is the idiot Chomsky that offered the "poverty of stimulus" - well, stopped clock, etc., you know) And Locke ignores genetics (cf. the HBD criticism from Ben and johnnt). Okay, it is understandable that Locke did not know, and it was early, so to speak, and so Locke may not be willing to have signed up to be a "progressive" if he lived today. Right right right.

    Locke was brilliant, but if we don't hold philosophers accountable for the damage they have done, then we must be pleased with the harm the slings and arrows of the stupidity they have foisted upon us has inflicted on us. I am not up for that.

    And tabula rasa has done enormous harm. It is the basis for all the equality, equity, Procrustes-was-right, and related pernicious ideas that plague the Left and its army of Orcs.

    So the good Locke did must be measured against the bad. And the quantity of bad is great.
  62. @JSM
    You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement.

    You put them in Alternative to Suspension which is a blank room, nothing on the walls, they must eat their lunch there, with nothing to do, no talking, no phones, no nothing but their homework.
    You have at least 4 adults, and an isolation
    room with padded walls in case someone flips out. OH! That's CRUEL you say. I say it's cruel to teachers and kids who want to learn, to let feral thugs turn school into a house of horror.

    I got In School Suspension a couple of times, and it sucked! All day, one little room, four or five other ne’er-do-wells, and time on your hands.

    Other occasions, I was unable to go on trips due to incomplete homework and what-not, so they stuff us in a room and make us watch movies. That was much better.

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  63. @Jus' Sayin'...
    There is no need to suspend the trouble makers. NYC once had "discipline" schools" for students like these until progs forced their elimination. Lock the most troublesome students up for eight hours a day, six days a week, in discipline schools. Chain them to their desks and let them be taught by teachers isolated from them by a bullet proof barrier. Feed them only foods recommended by our ex, affirmative action, first lady. Let them prey on one another with escalating consequences for serious harm/crime. Let them leave these schools only when they are testing up to to grade level or are past the age when they must be retained. Have 24/7, escape-proof boarding schools for those who cannot be constrained even by such discipline schools.

    "That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson..."
     
    The Coleman Report found that one of the strongest correlates of poor teaching performance was race. (For obvious reasons, this result is buried in the appendices.) My observation is that in general Negro teachers are worse teachers, by almost any measure of performance than teachers of other races. The Bayesian computed odds are that a teacher named Tameka Johnson, or Shitavious Royalton for that matter, is probably going to be a worse teacher than someone with a name that is less of a dog whistle indicating the bearer is a Negro .

    My observation is that in general Negro teachers are worse teachers, by almost any measure of performance than teachers of other races.

    That was not my experience at all.

    I also think people worry about “teacher quality” too much in general. Of course there are better and worse ones. But teaching reading, writing, and rithmatic is a skill a lot of people have, and schools generally are able to weed out people who lack the skill.

    Another reason I think most teachers in the USA tend to be good is that schools are able to match roles to the teacher. The sweet natured one who can’t handle a room full of brats will do home ec or art and get a smaller classroom of mostly girls. The less intelligent but highly patient one will teach remedial reading.

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    Oh,Ms. Swenson? We've moved you from your Intro To Fashion class. You will now be teaching the History of Slavery...
    , @Pericles
    From the end of the movie Bad Teacher (2011).

    PRINCIPAL SNUR (CONT'D)
    After six short years of outstanding,
    tireless work here, Amy is transferring
    out of the district.

    PRINCIPAL SNUR (CONT'D)
    I know she'll bring her love for learning
    to her new students.

    Sandy, the ponytailed teacher, pipes up.

    SANDY
    Speech! Speech!

    AMY
    Although leaving was a difficult
    choice...

    Amy looks over to Elizabeth, who motions for her to
    continue.


    AMY (CONT'D)
    When the superintendent personally asks
    you to work at one of the worst schools
    in the state, you say yes. I'm looking
    forward to bringing my brand of zany
    energy and lust -- not love, lust -- for
    learning to the underprivileged students
    at Malcolm X High. I welcome the
    challenge.
    , @Jack D
    The best teacher that both of my kids had in their elementary years was an older black (OK, mulatto) woman. I think for her generation, for a black woman, school teaching was at the high end of career expectations and drew some of the most talented blacks (IIRC the women in Hidden Figures had mostly been school teachers).

    And part of what was going on is that this teacher was very senior and I think the principal basically gave her first dibs on putting a class together. Even though elementary school is not supposed to be tracked (and this was a suburban school in a Belmont type place where most of the kids were bright to begin with) the kids in her class were just too bright to have been a randomly selected group. She didn't allow "creative spelling" or any other kind of modern nonsense and demanded correct grammar, etc. The writing skills that they learned that year will last a lifetime.

    But elementary school teaching is no longer a prestigious career among women, black or white and so I think the quality has gone down.
  64. @Sam Patch
    At least we could get the federal government out of meddling via top-down policies ala the Obama admin. Also, the general push for school choice can hardly be a net negative

    As a commenter at iSteve once put it, “School choice is Section 8 for education.” Not a good idea.

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    "School choice" is an unholy alliance between liberals who want to bring back bussing, and conservatives who just want to burn public education down altogether.

    People trash K-12 education in the US, but it works about as well as you could reasonably expect given the country's demographics.
    , @carol
    Americans for Prosperity has sent out paid staffers to all the states to push its agenda...in my state, Montana, they cast about for a Cause and came up with school choice. But who needs that when there is no ghetto? We do have our poor whites and wiggers but not nearly the problems of SP, at least not yet. Our alternative school seems to do as well with them as you'd expect.

    It's a waste of energy and young talent I say.
  65. @Lot

    Blame John Locke and the tabula rasa.
     
    Please don't.

    Locke's point on tabula rasa was that people were not born with ideas (like "dog," and "loud") but required sensory input to form them. His argument against Descartes and Plato and had nothing to do with behavioral or intellectual egalitarianism.

    All one needs know about Locke is that Bishop Berkeley, certified lunatic and he of “esse est percipi,” set up his philosophy as a commonsense alternative to radical, Lockean empiricism.

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  66. @Spotted Toad
    I actually talked with the Head of Equity for St Paul Schools two years ago, and I thought, "they have a Department of Equity? That's....funny."

    He sounded like a true believer.

    The MN state education department used to be called the Department Children, Families, and Learning. I kid you not.

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  67. @Halvorson
    I don't think she's from around here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLwDm1-cyDE


    She arrived in Minnesota from Chile at age 24, speaking no English. She went on to earn bachelor’s, master’s and education specialist’s degrees and rose from classroom teacher to her current post, in which she is responsible for teaching and learning in the district and about $450 million of the annual budget.
     

    Tyrone Terrill, president of the African-American Leadership Council, said he was disappointed by Silva’s selection. The council was a major supporter of Carstarphen and had hoped to see her work continue, Terrill said.

    He said Silva is “unknown” to the city’s communities of color, and he called her selection “a tremendous setback” for African-American students and all students of color.
     

    Tyrone Terrill is a very wise man.

    http://www.twincities.com/2009/11/22/st-paul-school-board-names-valeria-silva-as-new-superintendent/

    Yeah, AmRen has been covering this matter since 2011 or thereabouts. It’s old news.

    But maybe a new time to address it is upon us.

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    @Jonathan Mason
    The solution is probably to have a zero tolerance of deviant behavior right from preschool and Pre-K. It is absurdly racist to assume that black children are just naturally rude, unruly, and late and that these are somehow inherited traits of some value.

    The purpose of schools is to socialize children and teach them literacy skills to prepare them for employment, or indeed prepare them to be principals if they have the ability.

    However providing public education to the children of the underclass is very difficult and it is perhaps not surprising that teachers and educators adopt nutty theories as a kind of mental defense mechanism to preserve their own sanity.

    It’s a neocortex deficiency.

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    @sean c
    The key is vouchers with no strings attached. Let the parents flee these schools and pick ones that maintain order and discipline. Also pass laws giving teachers more authority to remove disruptive students from their classrooms.

    YO – Vouchers make it section8 education. Baaaaad news

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  70. @Marat Said
    I was recently reading about the city of Boston's 1 billion dollar proposed budget for next year, and noticed an Assistant Superintendent of Social Emotional Learning and Wellness.

    Which of course implies there's a full Superintendent of the same.

    Actually, it doesn’t imply that at all.

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  71. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Steve, I know you have some janitorial experience, even if just cleaning out your garage. Have you thought about a government position as a janitor?


    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/BART-janitor-pay-270000-Powell-St-questions-10911932.php

    Cameras catch BART janitor who made $270,000 in a year spending hours in Powell St. closet

    By Katie Dowd, San Francisco Chronicle Updated 12:31 pm, Monday, February 6, 2017

    Last November, a nonprofit called Transparent California reported that a BART janitor named Liang Zhao Zhang made $271,000 in a single year — over $162,000 of that in the form of overtime.

    Now, a KTVU investigation into Zhang's hours and pay revealed that he disappears into a storage closet at the Powell St. station, sometimes for hours a day.

    In order to observe how Zhang spent his sometimes 17-hour work day, KTVU requested surveillance video from BART. On it, they saw Zhang entering a storage closet twice in one day, once for 54 minutes and again for 90 minutes later in the day. On another day, they observed Zhang in the closet for 90 minutes in the afternoon and another 78 minutes in the evening.

    Zhang tells the TV crew he is taking his meal breaks during that time, although a BART representative told KTVU employees eat their lunch in the separate break room. BART employees are normally given 30 minutes for lunch, although BART doesn't track their breaks.

     

    The really astonishing thing is that only 162K of his 271K salary is overtime. So BART pays a janitor 109K/year as a base salary! No wonder cops demand 300K/year.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    That janitor salary gives new meaning to Magic Dirt! It tends to have a blue tinge.
  72. I taught young male apprentices for Saudi Aramco in 2014-2015 (Eastern Province, KSA). They didn’t usually bring weapons to class but they were certainly wild and unruly, especially since they didn’t have much opportunity for the kind of “sexual release” that young American men take for granted. Their preferred form a recreation was drifting in the desert in souped-up American muscle cars, and at least once a month one student would turn up to school on Sunday morning with an arm or leg in a cast. One or two even died during my time there, in what were always vaguely described as “traffic accidents.”

    The consensus among the veteran teachers there, a number of them Egyptians who were intimately familiar with the culture, was “spare the rod and spoil the child.” It was my experience that if you gave them an inch they would immediately demand a mile, and were effectively lost at that point as far as classroom discipline was concerned. Some even confided to me that a “strong hand” was the only way to get them to learn properly. There was one other Yank teacher there, a Mexican-American from California, who simply gave up and let the students do whatever they wanted in class, with the end result that he spoiled many of the students for the rest of us. I agree with those who argue for a “zero-tolerance policy” from an early age, or else teachers with problem students will always be fighting a losing battle, and more to the point ruining the learning experience of the rest of the students.

    These naive, do-gooder liberal educators need to wake the fuck up.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    A friend was in KSA in the 1970s and had many of the same observations. He said that they were essentially Bedouins with allowances, barely removed from the 12th century. They would abandon wrecked cars then go buy new ones on Uncle Faisal's dime. They had neither appreciation of, nor respect for, quaint ideas like traffic laws. Seeing cars racing three-abreast over hills and around blind curves was not uncommon, so westerners tended to stay off the roads when possible.
  73. I have no pity. This is happening to good liberals. This is their world. They created it. I say bring on more. The worse it gets the better it gets, until we can kick the whole damn thing in.

    It could be much worse. Lots of Somalis have migrated to Minnesota. If Trump hadn’t been elected, within 10 years we would have had tens of thousands more Jihad committed Somalis added to this dysfunctional mess.

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    • Replies: @Big Bill
    Daniel, you raise an excellent point. The City Journal article was utterly silent on the Somali black versus American black versus Mexican problem. From other accounts of school violence in the Twin Cities, a lot of the trouble stems from intra-NAM race war. You get some American brutha who hits on some Somali sista and all hell will break loose when the young Somali males react.

    Being hard-line Muslims, Somalis are generally disgusted with the sluttish and sexual behavior of American blacks and more than perhaps anything else wish to have their own hardline Sharia-based schools in the Twin Cities.

    Why didn't City Journal even dip its toe into that stream? Is it incompatible with their pro-immigrant ideology?
    , @ben tillman

    I have no pity. This is happening to good liberals. This is their world. They created it.
     
    No, they didn't. They're just swimming in the water they've been immersed in.
  74. @Harry Baldwin
    As a commenter at iSteve once put it, "School choice is Section 8 for education." Not a good idea.

    “School choice” is an unholy alliance between liberals who want to bring back bussing, and conservatives who just want to burn public education down altogether.

    People trash K-12 education in the US, but it works about as well as you could reasonably expect given the country’s demographics.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I have a different theory to explain why conservatives support school choice. It's because, in politics, you have to have a solution to offer. It doesn't have to be a practical solution, just plausible enough so you have to have a response when the question comes up.

    Q: Education?
    A: School choice!

    You can't very well expect an American politician to respond, "Our schools aren't 'broken.' Blacks are doing about as well as can be expected considering their lower IQ and lack of impulse control."

    This was illustrated in the 2012 campaign by Obama. He had proposed a jobs program--Stimulus 2.0--that was so unpalatable that Harry Reid wouldn't even support it. However, what was important was that when Obama was campaigning, and a reporter asked what he was going to do about unemployment, he could say, "I've put forth a jobs bill but the Republican congress won't even consider it, so you should ask them."

    The jobs bill performed its only actual intended function, providing Obama with a way to answer the unemployment question.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/us/politics/democrats-in-congress-balking-at-obamas-jobs-bill.html
    , @jtgw
    There's still the question of the necessity of public education. Does a kid with an IQ of 80 gain anything in education after, say, the eighth grade? It seems like a massive waste of resources to me and I'm sure the kid would get more value, and contribute more to society, by skipping high school altogether and finding some kind of job, however menial.
    , @Jack D

    But it works about as well as you could reasonably expect given the country’s demographics.
     
    I don't think so. You should be able to expect schools that are not violent and where learning goes on. These things still exist in other countries with similar demographics (e.g. certain Caribbean islands). These things once existed in the United States. Our social decay is not ordained by our demographics. We could do so, so much better with what we have. We didn't always have a 72% black illegitimacy rate.

    I agree that with an average 85 IQ population you are not going to be turning out a lot of rocket scientists. But it's perfectly possible to turn out people with the ability to read and write and do math at a basic level, with an understanding of the basics of American history and civics, etc.
  75. @Anon
    How does the federal bureaucracy handle big ideological shifts like the one between the Obama administration and the Trump administration? How can you go from enforcing one set of standards to enforcing its complete opposite?

    “How does the federal bureaucracy handle big ideological shifts like the one between the Obama administration and the Trump administration?”

    Obama did pull the troops out of Iraq very quickly. Of course that was with service people who are owned by the government.

    The Feds do not think the same way about their school children.

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    • Replies: @guest
    He did that on the Bush timetable, not that neocons would tell you so.
  76. Everyone should note that the hero of this story was the St. Paul teacher’s union, which organized to take back the school board and put an end to this insanity.

    Naturally, conservatives want to eliminate teacher’s unions.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Because a broken clock is right twice a day isn't a call to go shattering time pieces.

    The teacher's union fought back because they were literally backs against the wall. In the 99.9% of other teacher unions, they are wasp nests made up of goodwhites and their allies.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Everyone should note that the hero of this story was the St. Paul teacher’s union, which organized to take back the school board and put an end to this insanity.

    Naturally, conservatives want to eliminate teacher’s unions.
     
    I wasn't aware that the school board belonged to teacher's unions and that it was theirs to "take back". It's possible that both school administrators and teacher's unions are part of the problem of public education. More importantly, the most prominent teacher's union, the NEA, is essentially just an arm of the Democratic party. There are good reasons for conservatives to oppose teacher's unions.
    , @guest
    You are severely out of touch. Teachers' unions don't own the school boards, and can't "take them back." They also loooove the Gap. They live for the Gap.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Public employee unions should not even exist. But as a political matter, conservatives would lose badly if they dared suggest eliminating police and firefighter unions. So we're stuck.

    As noted, generally teacher unions are hives of Democratic activism.

  77. @IA
    The deepest source of the racial-equity discipline gap is profound differences in family structure.

    Same old story. They've learned nothing.

    The deepest source of the racial-equity discipline gap is profound differences in family structure.

    Same old story. They’ve learned nothing.

    A good start would be to end the whole welfare culture that incentivizes out-of-wedlock births for many minority women, especially African-Americans. Women should be having children only if they want them and can raise them properly, not because it helps them get a check from the government.

    Oh wait, that sounds awfully “racist” of me, doesn’t it? Never gonna happen, at least until our whole damn economy comes crashing down.

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    • Replies: @Das
    I mean, that's a cute theory, but many states basically eliminated cash welfare after the 1996 welfare reform law, and it hasn't improved anything.

    America's race problem is unsolvable. Not by liberal do-gooders, nor by conservative "tough love."

    The most you can do is make sure that black and Hispanic women have easy access to abortion and shut down low-IQ immigration, so American demographics don't deteriorate even further.
    , @Yak-15
    They should raise welfare by 50 pct for those choosing to become sterilized and who have no children.
  78. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Lefty/Economist Magazine style policies hit reality shocker.

    The real joke is that even dumber, more imbecile policies are being implemented at the bigger national level, but due to the nature of things, their ramifications aren’t as immediately tangible, so the originators of the policies are able to evade and escape censure – even in their lifetimes. But in these cases, of course, the result is a lot more serious than a few concussions.

    Think of Merkel’s invader invitation.

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  79. @Langley
    "How does the federal bureaucracy handle big ideological shifts like the one between the Obama administration and the Trump administration?"

    Obama did pull the troops out of Iraq very quickly. Of course that was with service people who are owned by the government.

    The Feds do not think the same way about their school children.

    He did that on the Bush timetable, not that neocons would tell you so.

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    • Replies: @Langley
    My post demanded too much.

    My point was not that one tyrant is better than another. It is that all tyrants see people as objects they own (i.e., soldiers and school children).

    Recall that Cuba demanded that the USA return Elian Gonzalez because he was the property of the government of Cuba.

    Citing the Dred Scott decision, Bill Clinton seized and returned Elian to Castro.

    http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/2013/03/elian-gonzalez.jpg

    (ok - I made some of that last part up)

  80. @Das
    Everyone should note that the hero of this story was the St. Paul teacher's union, which organized to take back the school board and put an end to this insanity.

    Naturally, conservatives want to eliminate teacher's unions.

    Because a broken clock is right twice a day isn’t a call to go shattering time pieces.

    The teacher’s union fought back because they were literally backs against the wall. In the 99.9% of other teacher unions, they are wasp nests made up of goodwhites and their allies.

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    • Replies: @Das
    I talk to a lot of unionized teachers in urban school districts, and they're mostly concerned about protecting their pay and benefits, not getting stabbed, and not getting blamed for the achievement gap.

    If it were possible to put, say, Steve Sailer, in charge of American education, that would be great. But in reality there are only three groups in the entire country that are mobilized around education policy.

    If teacher's unions aren't setting policy, policy is going to be set by liberal education scamsters like Michelle Rhee or libertarian ideologues like Betsy DeVos.
    , @lavoisier
    The goodwhites are the problem. They will continue to make excuses for black dysfunction and virtue signal as a way of life, blaming whitey for all the problems that define far too many black people. In the process, their idiocy will bankrupt us and make black communities war zones.

    Really no hope for a cure given the madness of the goodwhites.

    The way forward is to permit free association, which is supposedly a legal right we all have. White people will move away from the black dysfunction and strive to keep it away from themselves and their families if they are allowed to do so.

    Let the goodwhites continue to fight the good fight without our coerced help.
  81. @Das
    Everyone should note that the hero of this story was the St. Paul teacher's union, which organized to take back the school board and put an end to this insanity.

    Naturally, conservatives want to eliminate teacher's unions.

    Everyone should note that the hero of this story was the St. Paul teacher’s union, which organized to take back the school board and put an end to this insanity.

    Naturally, conservatives want to eliminate teacher’s unions.

    I wasn’t aware that the school board belonged to teacher’s unions and that it was theirs to “take back”. It’s possible that both school administrators and teacher’s unions are part of the problem of public education. More importantly, the most prominent teacher’s union, the NEA, is essentially just an arm of the Democratic party. There are good reasons for conservatives to oppose teacher’s unions.

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  82. @King Baeksu

    The deepest source of the racial-equity discipline gap is profound differences in family structure.

    Same old story. They’ve learned nothing.
     
    A good start would be to end the whole welfare culture that incentivizes out-of-wedlock births for many minority women, especially African-Americans. Women should be having children only if they want them and can raise them properly, not because it helps them get a check from the government.

    Oh wait, that sounds awfully "racist" of me, doesn't it? Never gonna happen, at least until our whole damn economy comes crashing down.

    I mean, that’s a cute theory, but many states basically eliminated cash welfare after the 1996 welfare reform law, and it hasn’t improved anything.

    America’s race problem is unsolvable. Not by liberal do-gooders, nor by conservative “tough love.”

    The most you can do is make sure that black and Hispanic women have easy access to abortion and shut down low-IQ immigration, so American demographics don’t deteriorate even further.

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    • Replies: @King Baeksu

    I mean, that’s a cute theory, but many states basically eliminated cash welfare after the 1996 welfare reform law, and it hasn’t improved anything.
     
    Well, according to statistics from 2015, 4 out of 5 black households with children receive some form of welfare:

    A striking 82 percent of black households with children receive welfare–double the white rate. Hispanic families are not far behind blacks.

    Source: https://www.amren.com/features/2015/10/welfare-whos-on-it-whos-not/

    Since around 75% of black households are single-parent, and mostly headed by women, I would imagine that nearly all of them are on some form of public assistance. Please correct me if I am wrong about that.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Ironic that The Donald seems to want to stop abortion,meaning abortion would be available in proportion to ones socioeconomic rank. It would make abortion dysgenic again. That hulking black girl carrying the next Michael Brown would have the least access to abortion of anyone.
  83. @Jack Hanson
    Because a broken clock is right twice a day isn't a call to go shattering time pieces.

    The teacher's union fought back because they were literally backs against the wall. In the 99.9% of other teacher unions, they are wasp nests made up of goodwhites and their allies.

    I talk to a lot of unionized teachers in urban school districts, and they’re mostly concerned about protecting their pay and benefits, not getting stabbed, and not getting blamed for the achievement gap.

    If it were possible to put, say, Steve Sailer, in charge of American education, that would be great. But in reality there are only three groups in the entire country that are mobilized around education policy.

    If teacher’s unions aren’t setting policy, policy is going to be set by liberal education scamsters like Michelle Rhee or libertarian ideologues like Betsy DeVos.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Das, I was an Unionized construction journeyman and we always set all the work rules and policies and scheduling and even bid the jobs, BUT you know I'm making this up. Why should the teachers set any policies?
    , @Jack Hanson
    Then they need leadership that isn't going to stand out in front of the media and talk about "sanctuary schools".

    We can invent notional "man on the street" that (surprise!) always seems to agree with the point we are trying to make but I'm going to trust my lying eyes.
  84. @Das
    Everyone should note that the hero of this story was the St. Paul teacher's union, which organized to take back the school board and put an end to this insanity.

    Naturally, conservatives want to eliminate teacher's unions.

    You are severely out of touch. Teachers’ unions don’t own the school boards, and can’t “take them back.” They also loooove the Gap. They live for the Gap.

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  85. @Jack Hanson
    You really think webcams and documented evidence are going to change anything in a country with a media who acts as if it was Nazi provocateurs at Berkeley?

    Did you live through 2016?

    Good point. The Overton Window is in a weird place right now. Trump is definitely outside of it.

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  86. There’s no way out of this mess except to either home school your kid or send them to a private school.

    Reform of public schools isn’t possible nor is honesty by our officials about the limited intellect of many minority students and their total lack of impulse control – both of which make them unfit for modern society let alone holding a job.

    Look about half of white society is incapable of believing this to begin with. Furthermore they are so nuts 70% of them say that Christianity is just as violent as is Islam.

    Blacks will just blame whitey for all their faults and keep considering pimping, drug dealing and being clerics of thuggology as valid career options.

    There country is a train wreck.

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    • Replies: @Light Roast

    There’s no way out of this mess except to either home school your kid or send them to a private school.
     
    Unfortunately, in a society where public schools are abysmal, all a private school needs to do is be ok in order for it to stay in business and be considered good.

    Private school, or a public school in a "good" district, will get your kids away from violence and chaotic classrooms, but the education is unlikely to be excellent, even at the so-called "good" ones.

    That's the problem with generally lowered standards in a society. It has a way of dragging everything down.

    I heard a saying once: "If you spend time with cripples, you start to limp." We're seeing this in our education system. The bad schools are the cripples, and the good schools are limping along.

    I don't know what the solution is, except to have higher quality people. Enforce law and order, encourage stable two-parent families, outlaw immigration except for geniuses, and maybe within 2 or 3 generations we can turn this around.
  87. @Das
    I mean, that's a cute theory, but many states basically eliminated cash welfare after the 1996 welfare reform law, and it hasn't improved anything.

    America's race problem is unsolvable. Not by liberal do-gooders, nor by conservative "tough love."

    The most you can do is make sure that black and Hispanic women have easy access to abortion and shut down low-IQ immigration, so American demographics don't deteriorate even further.

    I mean, that’s a cute theory, but many states basically eliminated cash welfare after the 1996 welfare reform law, and it hasn’t improved anything.

    Well, according to statistics from 2015, 4 out of 5 black households with children receive some form of welfare:

    A striking 82 percent of black households with children receive welfare–double the white rate. Hispanic families are not far behind blacks.

    Source: https://www.amren.com/features/2015/10/welfare-whos-on-it-whos-not/

    Since around 75% of black households are single-parent, and mostly headed by women, I would imagine that nearly all of them are on some form of public assistance. Please correct me if I am wrong about that.

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    The wisdom of Prussia's three-class franchise is more apparent than ever.
  88. How can a race realist support school vouchers? It means blacks and Latinos get to attend white parochial schools for free. Having money is what separates Whites from the rabble… do you really want to forfeit that advantage? My Catholic school was great precisely because blacks and lower class Latinos were priced out.

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  89. @Melendwyr
    Private schools. Kill the public system.

    Why not just kill schooling while we’re at it?

    What’s the point of it anyway?

    Is there any proof it works better than other ways of imparting knowledge?

    The smart will have smarter kids and ensmarten them. The dim will produce dullards and nothing will dedoltulate them.

    Apart from that all schools can do is ensure each type of kid gets placed in an appropriately sustaining track and kept there, learning what they can along the way

    But shouldn’t that be the role of families and local communities?

    Having said that, American public schools did a good job back when the nation was 90% white and schools aimed to support the vast middle in its movement toward a robust middle class existence.

    That all ended when people considering themselves Smarter Than You (actually the 34.1% at mean to +1 SD IQ) remade the institution to pander to the left 40% and the votes of their own cohort. Starting with Emma Lazarus’s time IIRC.

    As a result today we have millions of people who exist only to proliferate stupidity and ensure their careers as dolt-wranglers. They are excreting bricks now that so many former true believers are seeing what they have wrought socially, politically, morally, and genetically.

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    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    Where did Thomas Edison go to school?
    Ben Franklin's school career ended at age 10.
  90. @sean c
    The key is vouchers with no strings attached. Let the parents flee these schools and pick ones that maintain order and discipline. Also pass laws giving teachers more authority to remove disruptive students from their classrooms.

    The key is a place called Africa. The cost of one-way trips, especially organised on a large scale, will be dwarfed by the long term savings.

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    • Replies: @King Baeksu

    The key is a place called Africa. The cost of one-way trips, especially organised on a large scale, will be dwarfed by the long term savings.
     
    I recently spent some time in Ethiopia. Quite a few Ethiopians go to work in the US (or elsewhere in the West) for a decade or two and then return to establish businesses or invest in properties with the capital they've saved up. At the moment Addis Ababa is booming and the Chinese and Koreans are everywhere in the country. If the African-American community had had its shit together, they could have taken over much of the African continent already and freed themselves of the burden of living in "white supremacist" AmeriKKKa. So why haven't they?
    , @Old fogey
    I agree. Just look at a globe and be amazed at the size of Africa versus Europe. There is plenty of space there. Also, blacks have been designed through evolution to live in the tropics. Their dark skin allows them to stay out in the sun and process vitamin D without getting sunburn. White people are designed to live in the temperate zones and those who move to the tropics must be very careful with sun exposure.

    Most dark-skinned people living in the temperate zones suffer from insufficient vitamin D production. Moving to Africa would be a positive for them.
  91. @Lurker
    The key is a place called Africa. The cost of one-way trips, especially organised on a large scale, will be dwarfed by the long term savings.

    The key is a place called Africa. The cost of one-way trips, especially organised on a large scale, will be dwarfed by the long term savings.

    I recently spent some time in Ethiopia. Quite a few Ethiopians go to work in the US (or elsewhere in the West) for a decade or two and then return to establish businesses or invest in properties with the capital they’ve saved up. At the moment Addis Ababa is booming and the Chinese and Koreans are everywhere in the country. If the African-American community had had its shit together, they could have taken over much of the African continent already and freed themselves of the burden of living in “white supremacist” AmeriKKKa. So why haven’t they?

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    • Replies: @Ed
    I suspect because only the lighter skinned black Americans have the requisite levels of social & human capital required to make a go of it there. They are also more apt to succeed in America so why go to Africa?
    , @ChrisZ
    Interesting that the leaders of the Civil Rights movement were big on "Let my people go" but never took the Moses analogy to its logical conclusion: effecting an actual exodus of American blacks back to their land of origin.

    A provocative "alternate history" novel could begin with this premis, then follow the developments of the two continents of Africa and North America over the ensuing 50 years.

    You'd find it in the satire section.
    , @Jack D
    From the day that the first slave was freed and caused problems (which was one day after the day that the first slave was freed), it occurred to people that it would be better to send the freed slaves back to Africa. Liberia was founded for this exact purpose. But it never worked and it never will work, so forget it. Slavery was America's original sin and we must pay and pay forever. But why we must continue to let even more blacks in beats the hell out of me.
  92. @Dr. X

    Equity advocates’ central premise is that teachers, not students, are to blame for the racial-equity discipline gap.
     
    The irony is that white public school teachers are usually the most racially egalitarian, pie-in-the-sky, left-wing diversity-mongers out there. Most of them would rather crawl over broken glass on their hands and knees than turn in black students for punishment. When they do, you know the students must be really, really bad.

    And then (of course) the administration, top-heavy with diversity hires, blames them? Hah...

    “The irony is that white public school teachers are usually the most racially egalitarian, pie-in-the-sky, left-wing diversity-mongers out there.”

    The UK head most famous for discipline and traditional teaching methods is of Caribbean-Asian extraction. Used to enjoy her anonymous blog. She was sacked from her deputy head job after addressing the Tory Party conference, but has bounced back big-time. Her school’s in a rough old bit of London.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Birbalsingh

    “The emphasis of the school is on discipline and teaching traditional subjects, although Mandarin is offered as an option. School days start at 7:55 am and end at 4:00 pm (3 pm on Fridays). There is a “zero tolerance” policy regarding poor behaviour; a “boot camp” week at the start of the year teaches the children the rules and the consequences of breaking them. The strict uniform code includes no make-up, nail varnish, unprofessional hair styles or jewellery (except for a plain watch). Praying is not allowed. There is no group work; children sit in rows and learn by rote, and walk in single file between classrooms. The school website says: “Staff at Michaela tend to reject all of the accepted wisdoms of the 21st century.”

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  93. @Barnard
    I first read about Aaron Benner a couple of years ago when he quit teaching and decided to run for the school board. Eventually he gave up on that. That his first hand accounts were not more persuasive to the public is discouraging.

    Conservatism, Inc. is making a big deal about championing Betsy Devos, but I don't think she has a clue about how to deal with a situation like this. I'm not convinced shutting down the Department of Education would even help, because the state and local people left in control would continue to promote more of the same. Why is it so hard for so many people to understand that there is nothing you can do to make good students out below average intelligence students who don't value any kind of education?

    Give people vouchers and let the market sort it out.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    I'm afraid the only thing the voucher system will accomplish is to increase government meddling in private schools and destroy them too. Certainly you don't think the kids causing these problems will be the only ones to stay at the public schools. School choice as promoted by Devos will just cause private schools to acquire bad students and bad teachers/administrators.


    https://truthinamericaneducation.com/federalized-education/devos-news-blackout-conservative-media-mimic-liberal-media/
  94. @sean c
    The key is vouchers with no strings attached. Let the parents flee these schools and pick ones that maintain order and discipline. Also pass laws giving teachers more authority to remove disruptive students from their classrooms.

    Can’t agree, Sean.

    Vouchers do nothing but pile the ineducable and unruly into better schools…for which I’m already being reamed thousands of dollars per year in real estate taxes.

    All they can contribute is the disorder, stupidity, and criminality they bring with them, which was the cause of their former schools being latrines.

    If teachers could remove the disruptive from their classrooms, where would they go?

    All you’d end up with is formerly good schools and the same set of problems we have now. And a bazillion more expensive dolt-wrangling Programs.

    We need to attack this entire problem from its supply side: r-strategy reproduction, low-IQ reproduction, and immigration from low-IQ nations/peoples.

    Humanity does not evolve and thrive where the worst are full of passionate intensity (so to speak) and the best lack all conviction.

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    • Replies: @peter johnson
    Thoughtful comment, and nice Yeats paraphrase. Onward and upward with HBD awareness!
  95. @King Baeksu

    I mean, that’s a cute theory, but many states basically eliminated cash welfare after the 1996 welfare reform law, and it hasn’t improved anything.
     
    Well, according to statistics from 2015, 4 out of 5 black households with children receive some form of welfare:

    A striking 82 percent of black households with children receive welfare–double the white rate. Hispanic families are not far behind blacks.

    Source: https://www.amren.com/features/2015/10/welfare-whos-on-it-whos-not/

    Since around 75% of black households are single-parent, and mostly headed by women, I would imagine that nearly all of them are on some form of public assistance. Please correct me if I am wrong about that.

    The wisdom of Prussia’s three-class franchise is more apparent than ever.

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  96. This really sucks for the other kids who go to school with them, who are probably also mostly black. They need to bring Joe Clark back from the horse farm. East Side in Paterson NJ is still a shit hole, and was under him, but his tough discipline is remembered fondly by his students. I remember reading how a number of them look back and credit him for providing a safe space for them in a violent city.

    It is all related to the differing approaches to discipline, and what is effective, among different groups. People who deal with child protection services know that many black parents still use the belt and other severe physical discipline, and resist when told by caseworkers that it is not allowed. Maybe your kid listens if you put him in time out…. Appreciating this and working within reality might actually translate to results.

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    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    William Munny:

    One time being interviewed Clark identified the high school he was principal of as being 99% black and hispanic, the remaining being whites "who weren't able to escape."
  97. @MarkinLA
    Of course none of the solutions mentioned will not work. EVERYBODY with half a functioning neuron in their brain knows what is going on. However, there is nothing you can do politically. The Democrats have their BS and the Republicans theirs. When the Dems get in the answer is more money for schools when the Repubs get in, it is school choice. They all know (and probably secretly admit) that these students are just plain stupid as well as lazy.

    The only thing that will work is involuntary military academies for all the trash - black, white, brown, and yellow. Try getting that through Congress and signed by the President.

    Military academies? We teach em to shoot?

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    No we have strict discipline and order. They are given no freedom once they are withing the walls of the school and are under constant supervision of no-nonsense drill sergeant types.
  98. @Das
    I mean, that's a cute theory, but many states basically eliminated cash welfare after the 1996 welfare reform law, and it hasn't improved anything.

    America's race problem is unsolvable. Not by liberal do-gooders, nor by conservative "tough love."

    The most you can do is make sure that black and Hispanic women have easy access to abortion and shut down low-IQ immigration, so American demographics don't deteriorate even further.

    Ironic that The Donald seems to want to stop abortion,meaning abortion would be available in proportion to ones socioeconomic rank. It would make abortion dysgenic again. That hulking black girl carrying the next Michael Brown would have the least access to abortion of anyone.

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    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @Njguy73
    You're half right.

    If abortion was re-criminalized, it would be dysgenic from a supply-side perspective, as the richer citizens, those who tend towards productivity and thrift, would be more able to afford abortion.

    However, there's the demand-side perspective. Those citizens who demonstrate productivity and thrift tend to be more law-abiding than those who demonstrate duty-shirking and profligacy. Thus, those more apt to skirt the law would have abortions, and render abortion eugenic.
    , @Neuday
    Guarantee college for everyone, every college must have a Football and Basketball team, and expand the NFL to 68 teams. Also, open up a chain of Rap Karaoke bars, so they can practice. Think of it as the monetized "Midnight Basketball" solution. I can already see the Verizon ads.
  99. @Halvorson
    I don't think she's from around here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLwDm1-cyDE


    She arrived in Minnesota from Chile at age 24, speaking no English. She went on to earn bachelor’s, master’s and education specialist’s degrees and rose from classroom teacher to her current post, in which she is responsible for teaching and learning in the district and about $450 million of the annual budget.
     

    Tyrone Terrill, president of the African-American Leadership Council, said he was disappointed by Silva’s selection. The council was a major supporter of Carstarphen and had hoped to see her work continue, Terrill said.

    He said Silva is “unknown” to the city’s communities of color, and he called her selection “a tremendous setback” for African-American students and all students of color.
     

    Tyrone Terrill is a very wise man.

    http://www.twincities.com/2009/11/22/st-paul-school-board-names-valeria-silva-as-new-superintendent/

    She implies that she’s a “woman of color.” Ha. I hope she fails miserably.

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  100. @Frau Katze
    It's problem with no solution. If schools tomorrow said that blacks have lower IQs and are more violent, no black would believe it.

    There would be massive riots. It's too easy for them to blame someone else.

    I doubt that.

    Most Caucasian goyim have no problem accepting that Hebrews and orientals have higher IQs on average. Or that orientals tend to be less aggressive. Except for Mongolians ;)

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    I meant how would blacks react? They would not accept it, for the most part.

    "Africana Studies" people have produced some bizarre work.

    In one case a "Studies" prof claimed that the ancient Egyptians were black.

    He simply refused to accept blacks' poor showing in world history. And he is presumably one of the brighter ones.
  101. A Short Story: Victimization as a way of life became institutionalized in the United States in the Civil Rights era of the 1960s. In the intervening decades, more “identity” groups saw the social and economic advantages of victimization and jumped aboard. In the name of justice, calls for affirmative action, equity, and reparations spread across ever larger classes of people. For example, all People of Color became a victim class. Indeed, all females — infants, girls, women, the aged — found themselves defined as a victim class.

    Then Hussein Obama, a street pimp from Chicago, sweet talked his way into the White House. Under him, the spreading Cult of Victimization accelerated as national and international policy. In time, up to 70 percent of the population of the United States claimed victim status based on one criterion or another. The infection quickly spread to Europe and the Third World, where entire populations started claiming victimization that could only be addressed by open borders and massive immigration to Western Europe and the United States. The new victims asserted new-found human rights as immigrants, refugees, and asylum seekers; they sought redress for the harm done to them.

    But victims require victimizers. Who were they? The only non-victim class of candidates left to fill this ideological role were White Males and the patriarchy and Western Civilization they created. Cultural Marxism (a thinly veiled spinoff of classical economic Marxism, a.k.a. Communism) became the ideological glue that held this new-found class warfare … this fetid mess … together.

    The global victim classes found commonality and class solidarity in what they called the intersectional oppression they had suffered at the hands of White Males at some time in their personal, cultural, or national histories. But they had to act quickly. The lines were becoming longer and longer as the victimized masses queued up at the pay window to claim redress. At some point, the victim classes realized that Western Civilization would be “cashed out” and there would be nothing left for them. They had to act while there was still time.

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    • Replies: @King Baeksu
    The "victim hierarchy" social-status system you describe is reminiscent of the North Korean "songbun" caste system that prevailed during the Kim Il-sung era, although it has since weakened as the DPRK has begun to marketize in recent years. Here's a description from Wikipedia:

    There are three main classifications and about 50 sub-classifications. According to Kim Il-sung, speaking in 1958, the loyal "core class" constituted 25% of the North Korean population, the "wavering class" 55%, and the "hostile class" 20%. Those with a landlord, merchant, lawyer, or Christian minister in their background are given very low status. The highest status is accorded to those descended from participants in the resistance against Japanese occupation during and before World War II and to those who were factory workers, laborers or peasants as of 1950. B.R. Myers, associate professor of international studies at Dongseo University in Busan, South Korea, summarizes the core class as consisting of "high-ranking party cadres and their families." The wavering class is reserved for average North Koreans, whereas the "hostile" class is made of possible subversive elements (e.g. former landowners). According to CIA analyst Helen-Louise Hunter, the Communists were highly successful in turning the pre-revolutionary social structure upside down, and songbun is reflective of that. In her view, the "preferred class" consists of 30% of the population, the "ordinary people" make up the middle 40%, and "undesirables" make up the bottom 30%.

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbun

    The election of Donald J. Trump constitutes something of a counterrevolution or temporary backlash against the vanguard of Cultural Marxism, so at the moment American society is still in a transitionary period before it can fully realize a "single-party state utopia" like that of North Korea. Once it does, all straight white men will be relegated to the "hostile class" of hated historical oppressors, with their education and employment opportunities radically circumscribed. The "wavering class" will consist of Asians, white Hispanics and white women who still identify as either heterosexual or Christian. Finally, the "core" or "preferred class" will be made up of all African-Americans, Muslims, Jews, descendants of illegal immigrants and the various LGBTQ categories. Only then will "Bad America" become "Best America" that the revolutionary forces have all been fighting so hard for. And, of course, it will be written into law that the "Dear President" of the Democratic People's Republic of America always be a Jew, with Jonathan Soros favored to be the inaugural office holder.

    If you are so unfortunate as to be a straight white male yourself, I suggest you either convert to Islam and start learning Arabic so that you can understand the imam at your local mosque, or just snip your dong off and commence hormone replacement therapy before it's too late!

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    We have echoes [((()))] for jewish people who are passed off as gentiles. What about when muslims are passed of as europeans?

    Frenchman Smail Ayad, 29, has been charged with the alleged murder of Mia and Tom as well as 12 counts of assaulting police officers during the incident. Queensland police have consistently maintained there is no terror link in the tragic incident that was widely reported in Australian and international media.

    Frenchman? Really?

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/reality-tv/mkr-recap-amy-and-tyson-kill-it-with-the-highest-score-in-the-shows-history/news-story/b026516ba20e6430d353833dd1d4a631

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  103. @Lot

    My observation is that in general Negro teachers are worse teachers, by almost any measure of performance than teachers of other races.
     
    That was not my experience at all.

    I also think people worry about "teacher quality" too much in general. Of course there are better and worse ones. But teaching reading, writing, and rithmatic is a skill a lot of people have, and schools generally are able to weed out people who lack the skill.

    Another reason I think most teachers in the USA tend to be good is that schools are able to match roles to the teacher. The sweet natured one who can't handle a room full of brats will do home ec or art and get a smaller classroom of mostly girls. The less intelligent but highly patient one will teach remedial reading.

    Oh,Ms. Swenson? We’ve moved you from your Intro To Fashion class. You will now be teaching the History of Slavery…

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  104. @Jack Hanson
    Because a broken clock is right twice a day isn't a call to go shattering time pieces.

    The teacher's union fought back because they were literally backs against the wall. In the 99.9% of other teacher unions, they are wasp nests made up of goodwhites and their allies.

    The goodwhites are the problem. They will continue to make excuses for black dysfunction and virtue signal as a way of life, blaming whitey for all the problems that define far too many black people. In the process, their idiocy will bankrupt us and make black communities war zones.

    Really no hope for a cure given the madness of the goodwhites.

    The way forward is to permit free association, which is supposedly a legal right we all have. White people will move away from the black dysfunction and strive to keep it away from themselves and their families if they are allowed to do so.

    Let the goodwhites continue to fight the good fight without our coerced help.

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  105. @Barnard
    How long do you think it will take before it spreads into the inner ring suburbs or has that happened already?

    The discipline problems are spreading. Minneapolis and anoka-hennepin, the other major districts, have fallen in line with the mainstreaming of ebd kids.

    Our kids were in a private school. That school began to take in more kids “escaping” these troubled schools, but some of the kids have massive issues and We’re the problem. The admins couldn’t let Crime think happen, so they too started implementing PBIS and all sorts of “coddle the perpetrator and blame the victims” discipline models.

    The first ring suburbs can’t hold out because they are absorbing immigrants too fast anyway. Roseville hs had to have armed guards in the cafeteria after Trump won. Richfield no longer has a HS hockey team because there aren’t enough whites left. Edina is the pearl of the first ring. It already has equity directors and a new equity model.

    The second ring can’t hold out if trump allows any of FFFH to go through.

    All admins were all marinated in the same SJW beliefs, so they are all true believers.

    I was once worked as a consultant in education there. If you said that one way to close the gap was for urban schools to spend more hours educating those kids relative to the high performers, people were aghast. That was crimethink.

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    • Replies: @ganderson
    Alice- did your kids go to the school with a very high athletic profile? I am an alum of that school in St. Paul, and have heard this story of their diversity outreach. The alumni mag is full of SJW pandering.
    I went to HS in the late 60's/ early '70s, and even then my parents did not want me going to Wilson or Central. I'm one of those St. Paul Irish kids (well, only 1/4 Hibernian, but my Irish grandpa was well connected- a good friend of both the Bishop, and Monsignor Corrigan, who was arguably even more powerful than the Bish) I even grew up in the same house as my mom. I loved the St. Paul of my youth, and weep for what it's become. Where I grew up (Merriam Park) still seems OK, but where my father grew up (Maryland and Arkwright) is a slum. Sad too, to hear about Richfield hockey- following in the footsteps of Mpls Roosevelt.
    And the sad thing is, none of this had to happen; it was self inflicted. Thanks, Lutheran Social Services and Catholic Charities, and all the SJWs!
  106. @Tiny Duck
    There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children. When this information is given to the leadership at schools, instead of asking the hard questions they simply justify it. Either way, there is enough blame to go around, on the parents, on children, and yes, on school administrators also. I am part of the problem and so are you. Its that simple.

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood? No you haven't... Yet you speak as if your a subject matter expert on the black community, then you conclude by referring to the "democrats" and their policies. Your comments simply reveals your deep seated ignorance, bias, and anger, all of which is the natrual consequence of watching propagandist news while doing little to inform yourself on how the real world works.

    Do youself a favor, read some credible material on the topic then follow up with some real life experiences and watch how much your perspective changes.... If you choose not to do this, its because your enjoy your anger and pity party where you get to blame everyone else for issues that happen in your country. Either way, it would do you well to look in the mirror.

    I’m black and you’re full of crap. I did live & attend a heavily black school. It was chaotic because of the behaviors of the kids. I found that the teachers/administrators that were tougher on black kids were black. I suspect it was because they expected more of us. I should point out that my parents are African so I could see the cultural difference between us & the African American kids up close.

    You and your fellow white liberals would do better if you stopped defending deplorable behavior simply because blacks are doing it. You’re not doing anyone any favors.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Tiny Duck is not here to make a meaningful contribution to the discussion. He's here to annoy people and at that he is consistently successful. I make use of the "commenters to ignore" option and recommend others do as well, unless you enjoy the aggravation. Many have used the "troll" button on him but there's no consequence to being a troll at Unz.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    You and your fellow white liberals would do better if you stopped defending deplorable behavior simply because blacks are doing it. You’re not doing anyone any favors.
     
    Yes, they are. They're doing themselves a favor. Which is what it's all about.

    Steve should filter out avian commenters, because the most annoying seem to be a mallard and a crow.
    , @lavoisier
    Speak it louder Ed and shout it from the rooftops.

    "The worst enemy of the black community is the white liberal. "
    , @Olorin
    The Duck is a troll...but your point stands.

    My 70% black city's public school system was about 85% black, closer to 97% in the high school. It was a nightmare at every level, and not a day of my life passes that I don't thank my (long dead) parents for having exerted heroic effort to get me into private schools starting in grade 7.

    It took me 30 years to get myself, my mother, and a few others out of there and to Whiteopia. Where I quickly realized, with shock, working in the Ed Biz myself, that every liberal program for the uplift of blacks appeared to result in exactly the opposite.

    One might almost conclude it is a stealthy population genetic strategy to keep blacks down and themselves on top by recreating and encouraging black dysfunction, then exploiting it for various forms of pay/advancement.

    What can be done with black genetics is a topic of its own. But libs and progs are not allowing discussion of the population genetics/population biology inherent in these social and political matters. That should tell us something about their intentions, conscious or not.

    Nor are Bible-thumping "conservative" whites allowing it, who are right on board with (((Lazarian))) propaganda involving spiky French giantesses, open borders immigration, Israel, and all the related received 20th century narratives.

  107. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Alice
    We recently moved out of that school district. It's actually worse than Kersten's story makes it sound. The elementary, middle schools and high schools where this stuff is happening included the "best" schools, schools with kids on honors tracks to supposedly well respected high schools with IB and extensive AP programs. It's all burning down.

    St. Paul is a funny town where nice white middle class families were able to maintain their neighborhood and launch their kids to upper middle class lifestyles, and then those kids came home to stay in that town, often moving back within a couple blocks of their childhood homes. These are places where married couples in their 30s-40s send their kids to the schools they went to.

    Some of the schools bearing the brunt of this (Ramsey middle, for one, literally next door to Macalester College) were in old Irish Catholic neighborhoods where people live in white urban communities that have stayed white since their founding. These are now areas with median income above 70k, above 90k. Lots of dual incomes in the 200k range. Home values in the 400-600k range.

    The story doesn't explain that as a prelude to Silva's equity issues, the DoJ threatened to and then sued SPPS. The reason? Disparate impact in the rates that kids were labelled "EBD" --Emotionally or Behaviorly Disturbed--
    and removed from mainstream classrooms.

    Black kids were being removed from classroom at a higher rates than their white counterparts. they were sent to special education classes, programs or aometimes separate school rooms/schools.

    Obama's Doj sued over them. SPPS put these programs in place as a direct response to the suit, to come in line with the DoJ mandates. It was that or pull all funding.

    So that's why this all exploded. It wasn't just there were now these new racial equity plans. The kids who before were not in these school rooms because they were out of control were now mainstreamed in them and not punishable.

    Silva was a disaster, but no doubt, this was Obama's stick.

    I love hearing this kind of stuff. Schadenfreude baby! Nice white liberals and progressives having their libtopias directly affected by their liberal politics. Can wait for their kids to enjoy the effects of open borders, which their parents staunchly supported and moralized about.

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    • Replies: @Alice
    Well I wasn't a lib. Even when these towns and precinct blocks (bpoe in MN) are overwhelmingly lib, they are still a 1/3 conservative, and these policies destroyed our property value, make it nearly impossible for people to sell, and ruin kids before you can move on. Same as happened to OGH's father in law.
    , @Formerly CARealist
    Unfortunately, people never learn. You're going to have to eat your Schadenfreude for the rest of your life. My parents were horrified at the public schools in the 60's so they pulled my older siblings out for private school. I asked my mom years later if the public schools had really deteriorated that much since her experience in the 40's and 50's. She said, "my mom had many of the same complaints as we did."

    20 years from now we'll still be having the same discussions about education.
  108. @MadDog
    No way. Let parents pay for their children. Vouchers put ghetto kids into nice private schoools. Many parents sacrifice to put their children in private schools. It is inherently unfair to let ghetto people toss their children in said schools, paid for by the taxpayer, including the tax paying parents already sacrificing and paying their children's way. I am a No on vouchers.

    Any private school worth going to has admissions tests and other thing to weed out the unwanted.

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    • Replies: @Alice
    You're missing the point. They have those tests and promptly ignore them.

    The private schools in the twin cities have to prove their commitment to diversity. That means taking in the Somali refugee, the Hispanic illegal immigrant, the transgender kindergartener (no, I'm not kidding) and ubran black kids whose non-custodial parent is in prison.
    , @ben tillman

    Any private school worth going to has admissions tests and other thing to weed out the unwanted.
     
    In other words, a voucher system is pointless if schools are allowed to be selective. And it's pointless if they aren't.
  109. @Father O'Hara
    Ironic that The Donald seems to want to stop abortion,meaning abortion would be available in proportion to ones socioeconomic rank. It would make abortion dysgenic again. That hulking black girl carrying the next Michael Brown would have the least access to abortion of anyone.

    You’re half right.

    If abortion was re-criminalized, it would be dysgenic from a supply-side perspective, as the richer citizens, those who tend towards productivity and thrift, would be more able to afford abortion.

    However, there’s the demand-side perspective. Those citizens who demonstrate productivity and thrift tend to be more law-abiding than those who demonstrate duty-shirking and profligacy. Thus, those more apt to skirt the law would have abortions, and render abortion eugenic.

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    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Jack D
    Trump's desire is not to made a Federal crime of abortion but to turn it back to the states where it was before the S. Ct. stuck its nose into it. The "blue" states would surely leave it legal, so wealthier people traveling to other states for abortion would not be committing any crime. Even if you made it illegal in all states, they could still get on a plane and go to another country.

    In addition, even the most law abiding people are willing to break laws if they feel that the government is exceeding the proper scope of its authority. How many otherwise highly productive and law abiding citizens drank alcohol during Prohibition? How many business executives drive faster than the speed limit? How many have sniffed coke or smoked a joint?

    Higher functioning people also tend to seek abortions earlier, when chemical methods are effective. How hard would it be to smuggle RU-486 pills into a state? How many people are so law abiding that they would rather take care of a child for the rest of their life instead of taking a pill?
  110. @AndrewR
    I doubt that.

    Most Caucasian goyim have no problem accepting that Hebrews and orientals have higher IQs on average. Or that orientals tend to be less aggressive. Except for Mongolians ;)

    I meant how would blacks react? They would not accept it, for the most part.

    “Africana Studies” people have produced some bizarre work.

    In one case a “Studies” prof claimed that the ancient Egyptians were black.

    He simply refused to accept blacks’ poor showing in world history. And he is presumably one of the brighter ones.

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    Bottom line, this is about blacks and how the tail wags the dog. 13% of the population ruins all public spaces whether it’s city streets or public schools, driving people away. The second part is about the white enablers who impose their ideology on everyone else. Without these goodwhite missionaries the problem could be more realistically addressed. The majority of blacks are educable only up to about age twelve or so and become behavioral problems. They should be allowed to drop out and find work. The illegal Mexicans work and they’re mostly illiterate so presumably work is available for those who are willing to work the lower paying jobs.

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  112. @Sean c
    Any private school worth going to has admissions tests and other thing to weed out the unwanted.

    You’re missing the point. They have those tests and promptly ignore them.

    The private schools in the twin cities have to prove their commitment to diversity. That means taking in the Somali refugee, the Hispanic illegal immigrant, the transgender kindergartener (no, I’m not kidding) and ubran black kids whose non-custodial parent is in prison.

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  113. OT:

    ‘We are all Americans,’ says Corona ad, meaning not just folks in those 50 states

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/07/we-are-all-americans-says-corona-ad-meaning-not-just-that-country-with-50-states/?utm_term=.6874b4ea1e86

    In a statement about the campaign, Corona said: “This campaign is very different from our other applications of the brand. Everyone is familiar with the iconic Corona campaigns but this time we want to pass a clear message to all Mexicans, to break their mental frontiers and keep progressing. We hope the message we’re sharing resonates not only with generations of Mexicans but with people around the world…”

    Not even pretending anymore.

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    Piltdown, So, I guess my last Corona, was actually my last Corona. See, that was easy. May I have a Stella please.
    , @WowJustWow
    The other day I saw the ACLU share an article about their involvement in blocking the seven-nation travel moratorium (I believe the politically correct term for it is "Muslim ban") by tagging it with "We are honored to work for you to protect the rights of everyone in America" -- meaning, of course, the rights of those not yet in America: https://www.facebook.com/aclu.nationwide/posts/10154128061511813
  114. @King Baeksu

    The key is a place called Africa. The cost of one-way trips, especially organised on a large scale, will be dwarfed by the long term savings.
     
    I recently spent some time in Ethiopia. Quite a few Ethiopians go to work in the US (or elsewhere in the West) for a decade or two and then return to establish businesses or invest in properties with the capital they've saved up. At the moment Addis Ababa is booming and the Chinese and Koreans are everywhere in the country. If the African-American community had had its shit together, they could have taken over much of the African continent already and freed themselves of the burden of living in "white supremacist" AmeriKKKa. So why haven't they?

    I suspect because only the lighter skinned black Americans have the requisite levels of social & human capital required to make a go of it there. They are also more apt to succeed in America so why go to Africa?

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  115. @Anonymous
    I love hearing this kind of stuff. Schadenfreude baby! Nice white liberals and progressives having their libtopias directly affected by their liberal politics. Can wait for their kids to enjoy the effects of open borders, which their parents staunchly supported and moralized about.

    Well I wasn’t a lib. Even when these towns and precinct blocks (bpoe in MN) are overwhelmingly lib, they are still a 1/3 conservative, and these policies destroyed our property value, make it nearly impossible for people to sell, and ruin kids before you can move on. Same as happened to OGH’s father in law.

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  116. @TheJester
    A Short Story: Victimization as a way of life became institutionalized in the United States in the Civil Rights era of the 1960s. In the intervening decades, more "identity" groups saw the social and economic advantages of victimization and jumped aboard. In the name of justice, calls for affirmative action, equity, and reparations spread across ever larger classes of people. For example, all People of Color became a victim class. Indeed, all females -- infants, girls, women, the aged -- found themselves defined as a victim class.

    Then Hussein Obama, a street pimp from Chicago, sweet talked his way into the White House. Under him, the spreading Cult of Victimization accelerated as national and international policy. In time, up to 70 percent of the population of the United States claimed victim status based on one criterion or another. The infection quickly spread to Europe and the Third World, where entire populations started claiming victimization that could only be addressed by open borders and massive immigration to Western Europe and the United States. The new victims asserted new-found human rights as immigrants, refugees, and asylum seekers; they sought redress for the harm done to them.

    But victims require victimizers. Who were they? The only non-victim class of candidates left to fill this ideological role were White Males and the patriarchy and Western Civilization they created. Cultural Marxism (a thinly veiled spinoff of classical economic Marxism, a.k.a. Communism) became the ideological glue that held this new-found class warfare ... this fetid mess ... together.

    The global victim classes found commonality and class solidarity in what they called the intersectional oppression they had suffered at the hands of White Males at some time in their personal, cultural, or national histories. But they had to act quickly. The lines were becoming longer and longer as the victimized masses queued up at the pay window to claim redress. At some point, the victim classes realized that Western Civilization would be "cashed out" and there would be nothing left for them. They had to act while there was still time.

    The “victim hierarchy” social-status system you describe is reminiscent of the North Korean “songbun” caste system that prevailed during the Kim Il-sung era, although it has since weakened as the DPRK has begun to marketize in recent years. Here’s a description from Wikipedia:

    There are three main classifications and about 50 sub-classifications. According to Kim Il-sung, speaking in 1958, the loyal “core class” constituted 25% of the North Korean population, the “wavering class” 55%, and the “hostile class” 20%. Those with a landlord, merchant, lawyer, or Christian minister in their background are given very low status. The highest status is accorded to those descended from participants in the resistance against Japanese occupation during and before World War II and to those who were factory workers, laborers or peasants as of 1950. B.R. Myers, associate professor of international studies at Dongseo University in Busan, South Korea, summarizes the core class as consisting of “high-ranking party cadres and their families.” The wavering class is reserved for average North Koreans, whereas the “hostile” class is made of possible subversive elements (e.g. former landowners). According to CIA analyst Helen-Louise Hunter, the Communists were highly successful in turning the pre-revolutionary social structure upside down, and songbun is reflective of that. In her view, the “preferred class” consists of 30% of the population, the “ordinary people” make up the middle 40%, and “undesirables” make up the bottom 30%.

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbun

    The election of Donald J. Trump constitutes something of a counterrevolution or temporary backlash against the vanguard of Cultural Marxism, so at the moment American society is still in a transitionary period before it can fully realize a “single-party state utopia” like that of North Korea. Once it does, all straight white men will be relegated to the “hostile class” of hated historical oppressors, with their education and employment opportunities radically circumscribed. The “wavering class” will consist of Asians, white Hispanics and white women who still identify as either heterosexual or Christian. Finally, the “core” or “preferred class” will be made up of all African-Americans, Muslims, Jews, descendants of illegal immigrants and the various LGBTQ categories. Only then will “Bad America” become “Best America” that the revolutionary forces have all been fighting so hard for. And, of course, it will be written into law that the “Dear President” of the Democratic People’s Republic of America always be a Jew, with Jonathan Soros favored to be the inaugural office holder.

    If you are so unfortunate as to be a straight white male yourself, I suggest you either convert to Islam and start learning Arabic so that you can understand the imam at your local mosque, or just snip your dong off and commence hormone replacement therapy before it’s too late!

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  117. @King Baeksu

    The key is a place called Africa. The cost of one-way trips, especially organised on a large scale, will be dwarfed by the long term savings.
     
    I recently spent some time in Ethiopia. Quite a few Ethiopians go to work in the US (or elsewhere in the West) for a decade or two and then return to establish businesses or invest in properties with the capital they've saved up. At the moment Addis Ababa is booming and the Chinese and Koreans are everywhere in the country. If the African-American community had had its shit together, they could have taken over much of the African continent already and freed themselves of the burden of living in "white supremacist" AmeriKKKa. So why haven't they?

    Interesting that the leaders of the Civil Rights movement were big on “Let my people go” but never took the Moses analogy to its logical conclusion: effecting an actual exodus of American blacks back to their land of origin.

    A provocative “alternate history” novel could begin with this premis, then follow the developments of the two continents of Africa and North America over the ensuing 50 years.

    You’d find it in the satire section.

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  118. @Langley
    Separate School and State.

    Stop taking money at gunpoint to fund bogus education.

    Close the Department of Education.

    Close government schools.

    Let parents make their own decisions as to their children's upbringing.

    The disruptive kids in St. Paul and everywhere else would probably not attend school if there were no free, default, public option. That would probably be good for every student in those communities who actually wants to learn.

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  119. @Daniel H
    I have no pity. This is happening to good liberals. This is their world. They created it. I say bring on more. The worse it gets the better it gets, until we can kick the whole damn thing in.

    It could be much worse. Lots of Somalis have migrated to Minnesota. If Trump hadn't been elected, within 10 years we would have had tens of thousands more Jihad committed Somalis added to this dysfunctional mess.

    Daniel, you raise an excellent point. The City Journal article was utterly silent on the Somali black versus American black versus Mexican problem. From other accounts of school violence in the Twin Cities, a lot of the trouble stems from intra-NAM race war. You get some American brutha who hits on some Somali sista and all hell will break loose when the young Somali males react.

    Being hard-line Muslims, Somalis are generally disgusted with the sluttish and sexual behavior of American blacks and more than perhaps anything else wish to have their own hardline Sharia-based schools in the Twin Cities.

    Why didn’t City Journal even dip its toe into that stream? Is it incompatible with their pro-immigrant ideology?

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  120. It could be worse.
    In the brazilian state of Espirito Santo the military police went on strike and the gangs unleashed a wave of killings and looting in broad daylight.

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  121. @Das
    "School choice" is an unholy alliance between liberals who want to bring back bussing, and conservatives who just want to burn public education down altogether.

    People trash K-12 education in the US, but it works about as well as you could reasonably expect given the country's demographics.

    I have a different theory to explain why conservatives support school choice. It’s because, in politics, you have to have a solution to offer. It doesn’t have to be a practical solution, just plausible enough so you have to have a response when the question comes up.

    Q: Education?
    A: School choice!

    You can’t very well expect an American politician to respond, “Our schools aren’t ‘broken.’ Blacks are doing about as well as can be expected considering their lower IQ and lack of impulse control.”

    This was illustrated in the 2012 campaign by Obama. He had proposed a jobs program–Stimulus 2.0–that was so unpalatable that Harry Reid wouldn’t even support it. However, what was important was that when Obama was campaigning, and a reporter asked what he was going to do about unemployment, he could say, “I’ve put forth a jobs bill but the Republican congress won’t even consider it, so you should ask them.”

    The jobs bill performed its only actual intended function, providing Obama with a way to answer the unemployment question.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/us/politics/democrats-in-congress-balking-at-obamas-jobs-bill.html

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    • Replies: @kihowi
    This is a very intelligent post. White people are pretty dumb in that we can only think in terms of Grand Ideals and Reasons and Consequences and Principles.

    The thing is, for politicians, as for everybody, the mundane details of surviving in daily life are what's most important. Which means they need something to say for when people ask difficult questions that doesn't make them look bad. The end.
    , @Desiderius
    Many don't.

    Among those that do, it's pretty simple. Compare schools to grocery stores, for instance. Occam's razor says most support for choice/markets is because people like them.
    , @Jack D
    Obviously school choice can't make silk purses out of sow's ears, but it's still valuable. It allows higher functioning blacks who are interested in education (and the few remaining whites) to get away from feral blacks who remain behind in the general public schools. There are a number of charter schools in Philadelphia which, while they are not producing black geniuses (that is asking the impossible in most cases), are at least clean well ordered places where the kids are learning about as much as they could be expected to learn given their IQ. This may seem like a modest accomplishment, but it is a lot compared to public schools where disruptive thugs make it impossible for any learning to take place.
  122. @Father O'Hara
    Ironic that The Donald seems to want to stop abortion,meaning abortion would be available in proportion to ones socioeconomic rank. It would make abortion dysgenic again. That hulking black girl carrying the next Michael Brown would have the least access to abortion of anyone.

    Guarantee college for everyone, every college must have a Football and Basketball team, and expand the NFL to 68 teams. Also, open up a chain of Rap Karaoke bars, so they can practice. Think of it as the monetized “Midnight Basketball” solution. I can already see the Verizon ads.

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  123. I was sort of waiting for this to happen. Chaos destroys intelligent white children, but doesn’t really affect blacks. You can expect this kind of stuff to be pushed by journalists over the next eight years. Right now (((someone))) is busy thinking up right-sounding catch phrases to make it appeal to angry housewives.

    Maybe something like “give education room to breathe” or “diversity in learning styles” or “the beauty of authentic enthusiasm” or “letting out the African American genius” or “fighting racially enforced underachieving”.

    Hey, I could have been good at this if I didn’t have a sense of decency.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    "Chaos destroys intelligent whites".

    No. I'd say hedonism and ease destroy intelligent whites. Intelligent whites overcome chaos and force order onto it.
  124. @Ed
    I'm black and you're full of crap. I did live & attend a heavily black school. It was chaotic because of the behaviors of the kids. I found that the teachers/administrators that were tougher on black kids were black. I suspect it was because they expected more of us. I should point out that my parents are African so I could see the cultural difference between us & the African American kids up close.

    You and your fellow white liberals would do better if you stopped defending deplorable behavior simply because blacks are doing it. You're not doing anyone any favors.

    Tiny Duck is not here to make a meaningful contribution to the discussion. He’s here to annoy people and at that he is consistently successful. I make use of the “commenters to ignore” option and recommend others do as well, unless you enjoy the aggravation. Many have used the “troll” button on him but there’s no consequence to being a troll at Unz.

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  125. @Harry Baldwin
    I have a different theory to explain why conservatives support school choice. It's because, in politics, you have to have a solution to offer. It doesn't have to be a practical solution, just plausible enough so you have to have a response when the question comes up.

    Q: Education?
    A: School choice!

    You can't very well expect an American politician to respond, "Our schools aren't 'broken.' Blacks are doing about as well as can be expected considering their lower IQ and lack of impulse control."

    This was illustrated in the 2012 campaign by Obama. He had proposed a jobs program--Stimulus 2.0--that was so unpalatable that Harry Reid wouldn't even support it. However, what was important was that when Obama was campaigning, and a reporter asked what he was going to do about unemployment, he could say, "I've put forth a jobs bill but the Republican congress won't even consider it, so you should ask them."

    The jobs bill performed its only actual intended function, providing Obama with a way to answer the unemployment question.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/us/politics/democrats-in-congress-balking-at-obamas-jobs-bill.html

    This is a very intelligent post. White people are pretty dumb in that we can only think in terms of Grand Ideals and Reasons and Consequences and Principles.

    The thing is, for politicians, as for everybody, the mundane details of surviving in daily life are what’s most important. Which means they need something to say for when people ask difficult questions that doesn’t make them look bad. The end.

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  126. @Das
    Everyone should note that the hero of this story was the St. Paul teacher's union, which organized to take back the school board and put an end to this insanity.

    Naturally, conservatives want to eliminate teacher's unions.

    Public employee unions should not even exist. But as a political matter, conservatives would lose badly if they dared suggest eliminating police and firefighter unions. So we’re stuck.

    As noted, generally teacher unions are hives of Democratic activism.

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  127. @Spotted Toad
    I actually talked with the Head of Equity for St Paul Schools two years ago, and I thought, "they have a Department of Equity? That's....funny."

    He sounded like a true believer.

    Quite foolish to appoint a zealot to a sinecure. But not uncommon these days.

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  128. @jimmyriddle
    Give people vouchers and let the market sort it out.

    I’m afraid the only thing the voucher system will accomplish is to increase government meddling in private schools and destroy them too. Certainly you don’t think the kids causing these problems will be the only ones to stay at the public schools. School choice as promoted by Devos will just cause private schools to acquire bad students and bad teachers/administrators.

    https://truthinamericaneducation.com/federalized-education/devos-news-blackout-conservative-media-mimic-liberal-media/

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    • Replies: @GregMan
    That is exactly what is happening at my children's former high school. It is a private and religious school. Recently they began handing out scholarships and financial support to "urban" youths. Oddly enough discipline began eroding and inter-school crime increased. Whenever they caught a culprit of stealing things out of lockers or whatnot it was one of the "urban" youths.

    I'm glad my kids graduated before things got too bad. Yay diversity!
    , @Ron Mexico
    "I’m afraid the only thing the voucher system will accomplish is to increase government meddling in private schools." I remember refusing to sign a petition, much to the consternation of other parishioners, back in '98 to get the voucher system on the MI state ballot, even though I send my children to a Catholic Elem./MS, one to Hillsdale Academy (shameless plug), and myself teach in a private institution, for the very reason that you state. I do think that most voucher programs allow for rights of refusal, though. Unfortunately, many religiously affiliated private schools need the money and wouldn't be too discriminating in their acceptance of voucher students.
    , @Alice
    Correct, and it's already happened.

    1) Obama Doj claimed *private schools* had to comply with transgender pronouncements based on acceptance of title 1 federal funds. That is, you take fed dollars for poor kids who can't read? You must let the boy change in the girls locker room, play on the girls b-ball team, and have a girl roommate on school sponsored trips.

    2) In MN, the (dysfunctional) archdiocese thought they were going to work out vouchers for their (dying) Catholic schools with the state legislature when the GOP was in power. The arch agreed that they'd hire nothing but state licensed teachers going forward. Which they've done. And then the dems got power. Magically, no voucher system happened.

    But the effects on the local parochial schools were the last nail in the coffin. When your teachers all have the same SJW beliefs from the same ed schools and know zero about grammar, rhetoric, history, science or math, then your school teaches the same toxic Idiocracy every public school teaches.
    The Catholic schools can't teach content because their teachers don't know any. And their old subject matter experts? Unhireable.
  129. @Lot

    My observation is that in general Negro teachers are worse teachers, by almost any measure of performance than teachers of other races.
     
    That was not my experience at all.

    I also think people worry about "teacher quality" too much in general. Of course there are better and worse ones. But teaching reading, writing, and rithmatic is a skill a lot of people have, and schools generally are able to weed out people who lack the skill.

    Another reason I think most teachers in the USA tend to be good is that schools are able to match roles to the teacher. The sweet natured one who can't handle a room full of brats will do home ec or art and get a smaller classroom of mostly girls. The less intelligent but highly patient one will teach remedial reading.

    From the end of the movie Bad Teacher (2011).

    PRINCIPAL SNUR (CONT’D)
    After six short years of outstanding,
    tireless work here, Amy is transferring
    out of the district.

    PRINCIPAL SNUR (CONT’D)
    I know she’ll bring her love for learning
    to her new students.

    Sandy, the ponytailed teacher, pipes up.

    SANDY
    Speech! Speech!

    AMY
    Although leaving was a difficult
    choice…

    Amy looks over to Elizabeth, who motions for her to
    continue.

    AMY (CONT’D)
    When the superintendent personally asks
    you to work at one of the worst schools
    in the state, you say yes. I’m looking
    forward to bringing my brand of zany
    energy and lust — not love, lust — for
    learning to the underprivileged students
    at Malcolm X High. I welcome the
    challenge.

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  130. @Jonathan Mason
    The solution is probably to have a zero tolerance of deviant behavior right from preschool and Pre-K. It is absurdly racist to assume that black children are just naturally rude, unruly, and late and that these are somehow inherited traits of some value.

    The purpose of schools is to socialize children and teach them literacy skills to prepare them for employment, or indeed prepare them to be principals if they have the ability.

    However providing public education to the children of the underclass is very difficult and it is perhaps not surprising that teachers and educators adopt nutty theories as a kind of mental defense mechanism to preserve their own sanity.

    It is absurdly racist to assume that black children are just naturally rude, unruly, and late and that these are somehow inherited traits of some value.

    Right, because behavioral traits aren’t heritable.

    There are about 1000 of these floating around the internet. Amren is a generally impeccable source, and there are many similar accounts on that site alone.

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  131. Is there an age cohort that skews toward violent (or the most violent) incidents? I’ve always thought secondary education should end by age 16. Then the biggest, oldest troublemakers can go work or starve. Of course, that won’t be allowed to happen, so welfare just puts the problem of violent, feral yoofs on somebody else’s plate.

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  132. @Halvorson
    I don't think she's from around here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLwDm1-cyDE


    She arrived in Minnesota from Chile at age 24, speaking no English. She went on to earn bachelor’s, master’s and education specialist’s degrees and rose from classroom teacher to her current post, in which she is responsible for teaching and learning in the district and about $450 million of the annual budget.
     

    Tyrone Terrill, president of the African-American Leadership Council, said he was disappointed by Silva’s selection. The council was a major supporter of Carstarphen and had hoped to see her work continue, Terrill said.

    He said Silva is “unknown” to the city’s communities of color, and he called her selection “a tremendous setback” for African-American students and all students of color.
     

    Tyrone Terrill is a very wise man.

    http://www.twincities.com/2009/11/22/st-paul-school-board-names-valeria-silva-as-new-superintendent/

    Doing the jobs American won’t do.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    Doing the jobs Americans won’t do.
     
    Indeed. "Immigrant" has become a credential that ranks someone above the native stock.
  133. @EriK
    And the failed superintendent gets bought out for $800K. Smh.
    And I bet she gets another job.

    The POC babe who presided over Atlanta’s widespread test cheating was named School Superintedent of the Year.

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  134. @Harry Baldwin
    As a commenter at iSteve once put it, "School choice is Section 8 for education." Not a good idea.

    Americans for Prosperity has sent out paid staffers to all the states to push its agenda…in my state, Montana, they cast about for a Cause and came up with school choice. But who needs that when there is no ghetto? We do have our poor whites and wiggers but not nearly the problems of SP, at least not yet. Our alternative school seems to do as well with them as you’d expect.

    It’s a waste of energy and young talent I say.

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  135. @Rod1963
    There's no way out of this mess except to either home school your kid or send them to a private school.

    Reform of public schools isn't possible nor is honesty by our officials about the limited intellect of many minority students and their total lack of impulse control - both of which make them unfit for modern society let alone holding a job.

    Look about half of white society is incapable of believing this to begin with. Furthermore they are so nuts 70% of them say that Christianity is just as violent as is Islam.

    Blacks will just blame whitey for all their faults and keep considering pimping, drug dealing and being clerics of thuggology as valid career options.

    There country is a train wreck.

    There’s no way out of this mess except to either home school your kid or send them to a private school.

    Unfortunately, in a society where public schools are abysmal, all a private school needs to do is be ok in order for it to stay in business and be considered good.

    Private school, or a public school in a “good” district, will get your kids away from violence and chaotic classrooms, but the education is unlikely to be excellent, even at the so-called “good” ones.

    That’s the problem with generally lowered standards in a society. It has a way of dragging everything down.

    I heard a saying once: “If you spend time with cripples, you start to limp.” We’re seeing this in our education system. The bad schools are the cripples, and the good schools are limping along.

    I don’t know what the solution is, except to have higher quality people. Enforce law and order, encourage stable two-parent families, outlaw immigration except for geniuses, and maybe within 2 or 3 generations we can turn this around.

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    • Agree: Barnard
    • Replies: @ganderson
    You are right, many of the viruses that infect public education infect private schools, too. And, just to make this scarier, a not insignificant % of our white kids are displaying the same impulse control and such as our black kids do.
  136. @william munny
    This really sucks for the other kids who go to school with them, who are probably also mostly black. They need to bring Joe Clark back from the horse farm. East Side in Paterson NJ is still a shit hole, and was under him, but his tough discipline is remembered fondly by his students. I remember reading how a number of them look back and credit him for providing a safe space for them in a violent city.

    It is all related to the differing approaches to discipline, and what is effective, among different groups. People who deal with child protection services know that many black parents still use the belt and other severe physical discipline, and resist when told by caseworkers that it is not allowed. Maybe your kid listens if you put him in time out.... Appreciating this and working within reality might actually translate to results.

    William Munny:

    One time being interviewed Clark identified the high school he was principal of as being 99% black and hispanic, the remaining being whites “who weren’t able to escape.”

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  137. @Anonymous
    I love hearing this kind of stuff. Schadenfreude baby! Nice white liberals and progressives having their libtopias directly affected by their liberal politics. Can wait for their kids to enjoy the effects of open borders, which their parents staunchly supported and moralized about.

    Unfortunately, people never learn. You’re going to have to eat your Schadenfreude for the rest of your life. My parents were horrified at the public schools in the 60′s so they pulled my older siblings out for private school. I asked my mom years later if the public schools had really deteriorated that much since her experience in the 40′s and 50′s. She said, “my mom had many of the same complaints as we did.”

    20 years from now we’ll still be having the same discussions about education.

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  138. @Olorin
    Why not just kill schooling while we're at it?

    What's the point of it anyway?

    Is there any proof it works better than other ways of imparting knowledge?

    The smart will have smarter kids and ensmarten them. The dim will produce dullards and nothing will dedoltulate them.

    Apart from that all schools can do is ensure each type of kid gets placed in an appropriately sustaining track and kept there, learning what they can along the way

    But shouldn't that be the role of families and local communities?

    Having said that, American public schools did a good job back when the nation was 90% white and schools aimed to support the vast middle in its movement toward a robust middle class existence.

    That all ended when people considering themselves Smarter Than You (actually the 34.1% at mean to +1 SD IQ) remade the institution to pander to the left 40% and the votes of their own cohort. Starting with Emma Lazarus's time IIRC.

    As a result today we have millions of people who exist only to proliferate stupidity and ensure their careers as dolt-wranglers. They are excreting bricks now that so many former true believers are seeing what they have wrought socially, politically, morally, and genetically.

    Where did Thomas Edison go to school?
    Ben Franklin’s school career ended at age 10.

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  139. @Langley
    Separate School and State.

    Stop taking money at gunpoint to fund bogus education.

    Close the Department of Education.

    Close government schools.

    Let parents make their own decisions as to their children's upbringing.

    While I agree with you, and apparently several others do too, if you say “homeschooling” on this blog, a few commenters will jump down your throat and tell you you’re horribly wrong.

    but I’ll say it to individuals, not the whole of society. Try it for a year, especially if you have little ones, and see if you aren’t elated at the results.

    Again, I say this to individuals, not the world.

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  140. @Alice
    We recently moved out of that school district. It's actually worse than Kersten's story makes it sound. The elementary, middle schools and high schools where this stuff is happening included the "best" schools, schools with kids on honors tracks to supposedly well respected high schools with IB and extensive AP programs. It's all burning down.

    St. Paul is a funny town where nice white middle class families were able to maintain their neighborhood and launch their kids to upper middle class lifestyles, and then those kids came home to stay in that town, often moving back within a couple blocks of their childhood homes. These are places where married couples in their 30s-40s send their kids to the schools they went to.

    Some of the schools bearing the brunt of this (Ramsey middle, for one, literally next door to Macalester College) were in old Irish Catholic neighborhoods where people live in white urban communities that have stayed white since their founding. These are now areas with median income above 70k, above 90k. Lots of dual incomes in the 200k range. Home values in the 400-600k range.

    The story doesn't explain that as a prelude to Silva's equity issues, the DoJ threatened to and then sued SPPS. The reason? Disparate impact in the rates that kids were labelled "EBD" --Emotionally or Behaviorly Disturbed--
    and removed from mainstream classrooms.

    Black kids were being removed from classroom at a higher rates than their white counterparts. they were sent to special education classes, programs or aometimes separate school rooms/schools.

    Obama's Doj sued over them. SPPS put these programs in place as a direct response to the suit, to come in line with the DoJ mandates. It was that or pull all funding.

    So that's why this all exploded. It wasn't just there were now these new racial equity plans. The kids who before were not in these school rooms because they were out of control were now mainstreamed in them and not punishable.

    Silva was a disaster, but no doubt, this was Obama's stick.

    I saw this play out three times; in East Orange, New Jersey, Trenton, New Jersey, and my home city in Massachusetts. All three were rock solid middle class communities with long-established, White ethnic neighborhoods. It was literally impossible to imagine how they could morph as quickly as they did into slums. In East Orange the process began as soon as Negroes showed up and was essentially complete in the year I lived there. In Trenton it took a year or two longer. It’s still slouching towards completion in my home town but the place is already a very unpleasant place in which to live or tarry.

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    In East Orange the building of Route 280 didn't help matters.
  141. @Jus' Sayin'...
    There is no need to suspend the trouble makers. NYC once had "discipline" schools" for students like these until progs forced their elimination. Lock the most troublesome students up for eight hours a day, six days a week, in discipline schools. Chain them to their desks and let them be taught by teachers isolated from them by a bullet proof barrier. Feed them only foods recommended by our ex, affirmative action, first lady. Let them prey on one another with escalating consequences for serious harm/crime. Let them leave these schools only when they are testing up to to grade level or are past the age when they must be retained. Have 24/7, escape-proof boarding schools for those who cannot be constrained even by such discipline schools.

    "That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson..."
     
    The Coleman Report found that one of the strongest correlates of poor teaching performance was race. (For obvious reasons, this result is buried in the appendices.) My observation is that in general Negro teachers are worse teachers, by almost any measure of performance than teachers of other races. The Bayesian computed odds are that a teacher named Tameka Johnson, or Shitavious Royalton for that matter, is probably going to be a worse teacher than someone with a name that is less of a dog whistle indicating the bearer is a Negro .

    Why? Why force them to endure an education that will not help them in any way? Let them go out and get jobs. Let them see what kind of work is available to someone with an 8th grade education. The smarter ones will figure out how to behave and get more education (or even just a diploma) and the slower ones will be stuck in the work that they were going to be qualified for anyway.

    The problem is this idea that a high school diploma is for everyone. it’s not. No more than a college education is for everyone.

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    • Replies: @Ed
    Obama during a SOTU address proposed raising the minimum age to drop out to 18. This would have made the situation even more dire.

    One of the best improvements a couple of DC public schools made was quite simple. They separated 1st time 9th graders from repeat 9th graders. The school's where this was done saw behavioral & class disruptions plummet. What was happening in the past is that the younger 9th graders would show out for the older students who already had one foot out the door.

    They should let kids drop out after 8th grade. They can always come back during adulthood.
  142. @keuril
    You copied this comment from the comment thread at City Journal.

    Good catch! Although I doubt Tiny Duck is the same person who made the comment in City Journal. We all know he’s a troll/pet/mild amusement to have around. Sometimes we want to believe he’s using his own words, but now we know instead of a very good troll, we just have a copy pasta troll.

    Disappointing.

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    Tate, Yes, that's it. Tiny Duck is our beloved pet. Are his shots up to date? Is he licensed? Shall we have him neutered? And may I have your recipe for "Pasta Troll"?
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    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Boy-Severely-Beaten-at-Suburban-Middle-School-by-Another-Student-412913603.html

    Boy Severely Beaten at Suburban Middle School by Another Student
    | NBC Chicago

    A 12-year-old boy was in a coma over the weekend after being severely beaten by another student at a northwest suburban middle school Friday.

    Kenyon Woods Middle School Principal Lisa Olsem said the young boy was “assaulted by another student” just before noon. He suffered severe injuries and was taken to Presence St. Joseph Hospital in Elgin before being transferred to Advocate Lutheran General Hospital in Park Ridge.

    “I spent time with the family of the injured student at the hospital this afternoon and will remain in close contact with them,” Olsem wrote in a letter to parents Friday. “The alleged attacker, [sic] was arrested and transported to South Elgin Police Department.”

    The boy, identified by family as Henry Sembdner, remained in the intensive care unit Sunday. According to a Caring Bridge account created by the family to update on his progress, Sembdner woke from his coma Sunday.

    “They just removed the intubation and guess what he said,” his mother Karen DeWilde Sembdner wrote. “’I’m Hungry!’”

    At the Elgin school district meeting Monday night, the student board member wore green, a symbol officials say is meant to represent hope. Others throughout the district wore the color in support after the brutal beating. That support, the district’s CEO says, is not one-sided.
    “Not only do we support Henry, but we also support the student who allegedly caused this—we support him through counseling,” Tony Sanders said.

    A school official also touched on what might have caused the incident.

    “The student was bumped, or somehow bumped into the other student, that student then became aggressive in a very short couple of seconds and injured the young man,” said John Heiderscheidt, the district’s director of safety.

    While police and the school have released few details on what happened, a GoFundMe page created by Sembdner’s aunt claims the young boy was going into a crowded hallway at school and “bumped into someone.”

    “The kid grabbed him and slammed him into the ground,” wrote Crystal Sembdner Mims. “A wonderful child is in the hospital for no reason.”

    South Elgin police said an investigation remained ongoing. Police said the investigation be turned over to the Kane county State’s Attorney’s office when it has been completed, noting that it is a priority for the department.

    Chief Jerry Krawczyk said the alleged suspect is in middle school but did not give an age.
    “This case makes me sad as a dad,” he said. “I’ve never seen a case like this involving children resulting in such severe injuries.”

    Two GoFundMepages have been set up to help the Sembdner family with medical costs. As of Money, one page had raised more than $17,500 and the other had raised $7,400.
    Chicago Cubs star Anthony Rizzo took to Twitter Monday to lend Henry some support and make him an offer.

    We can kind of figure out the victim’s color and the mom’s (or parents’) political persuasion from this bit of info:

    According to a Caring Bridge account created by the family to update on his progress, Sembdner woke from his coma Sunday.

    “They just removed the intubation and guess what he said,” his mother Karen DeWilde Sembdner wrote. “’I’m Hungry!’”

    “I’m hungry. Oh, and mom, thanks for sending me to a vibrant and diverse school. I’ll remember your commitment to diversity every time I go through a metal detector and the plate in my head sets it off.

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  144. @Alice
    The discipline problems are spreading. Minneapolis and anoka-hennepin, the other major districts, have fallen in line with the mainstreaming of ebd kids.

    Our kids were in a private school. That school began to take in more kids "escaping" these troubled schools, but some of the kids have massive issues and We're the problem. The admins couldn't let Crime think happen, so they too started implementing PBIS and all sorts of "coddle the perpetrator and blame the victims" discipline models.

    The first ring suburbs can't hold out because they are absorbing immigrants too fast anyway. Roseville hs had to have armed guards in the cafeteria after Trump won. Richfield no longer has a HS hockey team because there aren't enough whites left. Edina is the pearl of the first ring. It already has equity directors and a new equity model.

    The second ring can't hold out if trump allows any of FFFH to go through.

    All admins were all marinated in the same SJW beliefs, so they are all true believers.

    I was once worked as a consultant in education there. If you said that one way to close the gap was for urban schools to spend more hours educating those kids relative to the high performers, people were aghast. That was crimethink.

    Alice- did your kids go to the school with a very high athletic profile? I am an alum of that school in St. Paul, and have heard this story of their diversity outreach. The alumni mag is full of SJW pandering.
    I went to HS in the late 60′s/ early ’70s, and even then my parents did not want me going to Wilson or Central. I’m one of those St. Paul Irish kids (well, only 1/4 Hibernian, but my Irish grandpa was well connected- a good friend of both the Bishop, and Monsignor Corrigan, who was arguably even more powerful than the Bish) I even grew up in the same house as my mom. I loved the St. Paul of my youth, and weep for what it’s become. Where I grew up (Merriam Park) still seems OK, but where my father grew up (Maryland and Arkwright) is a slum. Sad too, to hear about Richfield hockey- following in the footsteps of Mpls Roosevelt.
    And the sad thing is, none of this had to happen; it was self inflicted. Thanks, Lutheran Social Services and Catholic Charities, and all the SJWs!

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  145. @Light Roast

    There’s no way out of this mess except to either home school your kid or send them to a private school.
     
    Unfortunately, in a society where public schools are abysmal, all a private school needs to do is be ok in order for it to stay in business and be considered good.

    Private school, or a public school in a "good" district, will get your kids away from violence and chaotic classrooms, but the education is unlikely to be excellent, even at the so-called "good" ones.

    That's the problem with generally lowered standards in a society. It has a way of dragging everything down.

    I heard a saying once: "If you spend time with cripples, you start to limp." We're seeing this in our education system. The bad schools are the cripples, and the good schools are limping along.

    I don't know what the solution is, except to have higher quality people. Enforce law and order, encourage stable two-parent families, outlaw immigration except for geniuses, and maybe within 2 or 3 generations we can turn this around.

    You are right, many of the viruses that infect public education infect private schools, too. And, just to make this scarier, a not insignificant % of our white kids are displaying the same impulse control and such as our black kids do.

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  146. @King Baeksu

    The deepest source of the racial-equity discipline gap is profound differences in family structure.

    Same old story. They’ve learned nothing.
     
    A good start would be to end the whole welfare culture that incentivizes out-of-wedlock births for many minority women, especially African-Americans. Women should be having children only if they want them and can raise them properly, not because it helps them get a check from the government.

    Oh wait, that sounds awfully "racist" of me, doesn't it? Never gonna happen, at least until our whole damn economy comes crashing down.

    They should raise welfare by 50 pct for those choosing to become sterilized and who have no children.

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    Yak-15, If they have no children and no real disabilities, then they should not be on welfare. Welfare, like unemployment benefits, should be a bridge, not a way of life.
  147. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jonathan Mason
    The solution is probably to have a zero tolerance of deviant behavior right from preschool and Pre-K. It is absurdly racist to assume that black children are just naturally rude, unruly, and late and that these are somehow inherited traits of some value.

    The purpose of schools is to socialize children and teach them literacy skills to prepare them for employment, or indeed prepare them to be principals if they have the ability.

    However providing public education to the children of the underclass is very difficult and it is perhaps not surprising that teachers and educators adopt nutty theories as a kind of mental defense mechanism to preserve their own sanity.

    It is absurdly racist to assume that black children are just naturally rude, unruly, and late and that these are somehow inherited traits of some value.

    Yeah it’s weird. If it was white people saying it and not these “cultural advisers” they’d be sacked.

    If you studied schools where all the pupils were of the same race/ethnicity I think you’d find the bullies/rebels were the ones who went through puberty earliest.

    So if there was a racial difference in age of puberty there would be racial difference in bullying/discipline etc.

    (class difference also imo as early age of puberty probably effects educational attainment)

    (antifa are to a large extent the late puberty version of the same thing)

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  148. @Barnard
    I'm afraid the only thing the voucher system will accomplish is to increase government meddling in private schools and destroy them too. Certainly you don't think the kids causing these problems will be the only ones to stay at the public schools. School choice as promoted by Devos will just cause private schools to acquire bad students and bad teachers/administrators.


    https://truthinamericaneducation.com/federalized-education/devos-news-blackout-conservative-media-mimic-liberal-media/

    That is exactly what is happening at my children’s former high school. It is a private and religious school. Recently they began handing out scholarships and financial support to “urban” youths. Oddly enough discipline began eroding and inter-school crime increased. Whenever they caught a culprit of stealing things out of lockers or whatnot it was one of the “urban” youths.

    I’m glad my kids graduated before things got too bad. Yay diversity!

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    @Luke Lea
    Web cams in all public school classrooms is the first step. Gotta document, gotta document, gotta document. The next step is who gets to see what's really happening. Parents, law enforcement, teacher defense lawyers, the public?.

    yes – people need to see it for themselves before they will believe it

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    @Jack Hanson
    You really think webcams and documented evidence are going to change anything in a country with a media who acts as if it was Nazi provocateurs at Berkeley?

    Did you live through 2016?

    webcams (or at least smartphones) have changed things as people gradually see evidence the media has hidden for decades

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    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Blame John Locke and the tabula rasa. Then blame an inability of Leftists to learn from experience.

    no, blame Boas and the cultural Marxists

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  152. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Langley
    "Web cams in all public school classrooms is the first step. Gotta document, gotta document, gotta document."

    Once again we need to create a security state that punishes everyone because we have to pretend that we do not know who is causing the problems.

    Do you people like waiting in lines at airports?!?

    because we have to pretend that we do not know who is causing the problems.

    most people don’t know – you need people to see the truth with their own eyes

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  153. @EriK
    And the failed superintendent gets bought out for $800K. Smh.
    And I bet she gets another job.

    Latina woman? Without a doubt.

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  154. @George
    You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement.

    " Teacher Donna Wu was caught in a fight " Say what? That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson, not Donna Wu teach for America types.

    You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble.

    Don’t set them loose on the street, send them to special schools where their behavioral problems can be given special attention. There are, in some cities, “magnet” schools for gifted children or for those wishing to specialize in certain fields of study. Why not have similar schools for young malefactors, with suitably strict discipline? If a kid acts up one too many times, send him or her to “The Whippingham Academy for Incorrigible Boys” or the “Des Fessées Finishing School for Recalcitrant Girls.”

    It is obvious that public schools do nothing but warehouse the ineducable until they reach the statutory school-leaving age. If the only benefit of school for such youngsters is that it keeps them off the streets, its function is no better than that of a prison. It would be more honest to recognize this fact and warehouse them separately in suitable facilities than it is to allow them to disrupt the instruction of children that can genuinely benefit from it.

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  155. @Harry Baldwin
    I have a different theory to explain why conservatives support school choice. It's because, in politics, you have to have a solution to offer. It doesn't have to be a practical solution, just plausible enough so you have to have a response when the question comes up.

    Q: Education?
    A: School choice!

    You can't very well expect an American politician to respond, "Our schools aren't 'broken.' Blacks are doing about as well as can be expected considering their lower IQ and lack of impulse control."

    This was illustrated in the 2012 campaign by Obama. He had proposed a jobs program--Stimulus 2.0--that was so unpalatable that Harry Reid wouldn't even support it. However, what was important was that when Obama was campaigning, and a reporter asked what he was going to do about unemployment, he could say, "I've put forth a jobs bill but the Republican congress won't even consider it, so you should ask them."

    The jobs bill performed its only actual intended function, providing Obama with a way to answer the unemployment question.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/us/politics/democrats-in-congress-balking-at-obamas-jobs-bill.html

    Many don’t.

    Among those that do, it’s pretty simple. Compare schools to grocery stores, for instance. Occam’s razor says most support for choice/markets is because people like them.

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  156. @George
    You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement.

    " Teacher Donna Wu was caught in a fight " Say what? That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson, not Donna Wu teach for America types.

    Most/many schools use what is called in-school-suspension. They are put in a supervised, separate room or study hall, and are given their assignments and homework to do on their own. They are purposely not sent home or out on the street.

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  157. @guest
    He did that on the Bush timetable, not that neocons would tell you so.

    My post demanded too much.

    My point was not that one tyrant is better than another. It is that all tyrants see people as objects they own (i.e., soldiers and school children).

    Recall that Cuba demanded that the USA return Elian Gonzalez because he was the property of the government of Cuba.

    Citing the Dred Scott decision, Bill Clinton seized and returned Elian to Castro.

    http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/2013/03/elian-gonzalez.jpg

    (ok – I made some of that last part up)

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    Recall that Cuba demanded that the USA return Elian Gonzalez because he was the property of the government of Cuba.

    Not true. He was sent back to his dad. His closest living relative was his dad who was in Cuba. His mom died during the crossing. Sending him back to his dad was the right thing to do.
  158. @George
    You suspend the trouble makers, then what? They are loose on the streets making trouble. Is that an improvement.

    " Teacher Donna Wu was caught in a fight " Say what? That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson, not Donna Wu teach for America types.

    They’ll be making trouble on the streets regardless, until they’re killed or locked up, but wrecking the education of 30 other children is completely preventable.

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  159. Anyone who’s grown up on the streets even a little knows what the deal is . This will create more right wing tough guys . Not a coincidence Pres Trump almost took the state . WINNING It’s What’s For Dinner

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  160. @CCZ
    So Tiny Duck has transformed into "Jack McDonald · Works at NAS Meridian" (City Journal commenter name). This is definitely an improvement, not the usual harangue that America will be better once people of color are the majority. Can we expect more of these copied comments?

    re: Tiny Duck, “Can we expect more of these copied comments?” He frequently lifts things from that stoopid site Very Smart Brothers

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  161. @Lurker
    The key is a place called Africa. The cost of one-way trips, especially organised on a large scale, will be dwarfed by the long term savings.

    I agree. Just look at a globe and be amazed at the size of Africa versus Europe. There is plenty of space there. Also, blacks have been designed through evolution to live in the tropics. Their dark skin allows them to stay out in the sun and process vitamin D without getting sunburn. White people are designed to live in the temperate zones and those who move to the tropics must be very careful with sun exposure.

    Most dark-skinned people living in the temperate zones suffer from insufficient vitamin D production. Moving to Africa would be a positive for them.

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  162. @Desiderius

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood?
     
    Yes.

    You know who hates this nonsense the worst? Black parents.

    I believe you meant to say, “black parent.’

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  163. @Jim Don Bob
    Doing the jobs American won't do.

    Doing the jobs Americans won’t do.

    Indeed. “Immigrant” has become a credential that ranks someone above the native stock.

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  164. @Father O'Hara
    Military academies? We teach em to shoot?

    No we have strict discipline and order. They are given no freedom once they are withing the walls of the school and are under constant supervision of no-nonsense drill sergeant types.

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  165. The cracks in basic reason and logic in this absurd notion of complete racial parity are becoming more prevalent. The pendulum of global opinion is definitely swinging back in the other direction.

    Great article and it seems to be a relatively mainstream source, not just a fringe alt-right one.

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  166. @Barnard
    I'm afraid the only thing the voucher system will accomplish is to increase government meddling in private schools and destroy them too. Certainly you don't think the kids causing these problems will be the only ones to stay at the public schools. School choice as promoted by Devos will just cause private schools to acquire bad students and bad teachers/administrators.


    https://truthinamericaneducation.com/federalized-education/devos-news-blackout-conservative-media-mimic-liberal-media/

    “I’m afraid the only thing the voucher system will accomplish is to increase government meddling in private schools.” I remember refusing to sign a petition, much to the consternation of other parishioners, back in ’98 to get the voucher system on the MI state ballot, even though I send my children to a Catholic Elem./MS, one to Hillsdale Academy (shameless plug), and myself teach in a private institution, for the very reason that you state. I do think that most voucher programs allow for rights of refusal, though. Unfortunately, many religiously affiliated private schools need the money and wouldn’t be too discriminating in their acceptance of voucher students.

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  167. @Alice
    We recently moved out of that school district. It's actually worse than Kersten's story makes it sound. The elementary, middle schools and high schools where this stuff is happening included the "best" schools, schools with kids on honors tracks to supposedly well respected high schools with IB and extensive AP programs. It's all burning down.

    St. Paul is a funny town where nice white middle class families were able to maintain their neighborhood and launch their kids to upper middle class lifestyles, and then those kids came home to stay in that town, often moving back within a couple blocks of their childhood homes. These are places where married couples in their 30s-40s send their kids to the schools they went to.

    Some of the schools bearing the brunt of this (Ramsey middle, for one, literally next door to Macalester College) were in old Irish Catholic neighborhoods where people live in white urban communities that have stayed white since their founding. These are now areas with median income above 70k, above 90k. Lots of dual incomes in the 200k range. Home values in the 400-600k range.

    The story doesn't explain that as a prelude to Silva's equity issues, the DoJ threatened to and then sued SPPS. The reason? Disparate impact in the rates that kids were labelled "EBD" --Emotionally or Behaviorly Disturbed--
    and removed from mainstream classrooms.

    Black kids were being removed from classroom at a higher rates than their white counterparts. they were sent to special education classes, programs or aometimes separate school rooms/schools.

    Obama's Doj sued over them. SPPS put these programs in place as a direct response to the suit, to come in line with the DoJ mandates. It was that or pull all funding.

    So that's why this all exploded. It wasn't just there were now these new racial equity plans. The kids who before were not in these school rooms because they were out of control were now mainstreamed in them and not punishable.

    Silva was a disaster, but no doubt, this was Obama's stick.

    The irony is that this doesn’t create integrated schools, it causes the remaining whites to flee the school system or even the city. At which point the schools become 100% minority so it’s no longer possible for them to have disparate impact because everyone is the same race. At that point the schools are horrible, but they are not horribly racist, so no one cares.

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    • Replies: @Alice
    Funny, St Paul and others in MN are complaining that because there aren't enough whites left on their system, it's racist. They want busing to force reintegration. Because not enough whites to go around. See blacks only improve when they are seated next to the right number of whites.
  168. @Barnard
    I'm afraid the only thing the voucher system will accomplish is to increase government meddling in private schools and destroy them too. Certainly you don't think the kids causing these problems will be the only ones to stay at the public schools. School choice as promoted by Devos will just cause private schools to acquire bad students and bad teachers/administrators.


    https://truthinamericaneducation.com/federalized-education/devos-news-blackout-conservative-media-mimic-liberal-media/

    Correct, and it’s already happened.

    1) Obama Doj claimed *private schools* had to comply with transgender pronouncements based on acceptance of title 1 federal funds. That is, you take fed dollars for poor kids who can’t read? You must let the boy change in the girls locker room, play on the girls b-ball team, and have a girl roommate on school sponsored trips.

    2) In MN, the (dysfunctional) archdiocese thought they were going to work out vouchers for their (dying) Catholic schools with the state legislature when the GOP was in power. The arch agreed that they’d hire nothing but state licensed teachers going forward. Which they’ve done. And then the dems got power. Magically, no voucher system happened.

    But the effects on the local parochial schools were the last nail in the coffin. When your teachers all have the same SJW beliefs from the same ed schools and know zero about grammar, rhetoric, history, science or math, then your school teaches the same toxic Idiocracy every public school teaches.
    The Catholic schools can’t teach content because their teachers don’t know any. And their old subject matter experts? Unhireable.

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  169. @Jack D
    The irony is that this doesn't create integrated schools, it causes the remaining whites to flee the school system or even the city. At which point the schools become 100% minority so it's no longer possible for them to have disparate impact because everyone is the same race. At that point the schools are horrible, but they are not horribly racist, so no one cares.

    Funny, St Paul and others in MN are complaining that because there aren’t enough whites left on their system, it’s racist. They want busing to force reintegration. Because not enough whites to go around. See blacks only improve when they are seated next to the right number of whites.

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  170. @Barnard
    I first read about Aaron Benner a couple of years ago when he quit teaching and decided to run for the school board. Eventually he gave up on that. That his first hand accounts were not more persuasive to the public is discouraging.

    Conservatism, Inc. is making a big deal about championing Betsy Devos, but I don't think she has a clue about how to deal with a situation like this. I'm not convinced shutting down the Department of Education would even help, because the state and local people left in control would continue to promote more of the same. Why is it so hard for so many people to understand that there is nothing you can do to make good students out below average intelligence students who don't value any kind of education?

    I think that one has to be either a blithering idiot or Ph.d to not notice something so mundane and obvious.

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  171. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Blame John Locke and the tabula rasa. Then blame an inability of Leftists to learn from experience.

    Leftism is immune to empirical testing. If a Leftist nostrum fails (as they always do), then it just means that you didn’t try hard enough or your were sabotaged by wreckers and next time you have to try harder, shoot any stragglers who are not with the program and apply your remedy in an even purer form.

    If requiring that blacks be suspended in the same proportion as whites doesn’t fix everything, then next time do away with suspension completely – disciplinary problems are not really the student’s fault, they are the fault of society and the system, so why should he and his education suffer?He has not failed the system, the system has failed him. The system, and especially the racist teachers and administrators, needs to find a way to educate ALL students, regardless of color. Black Lives Matter! NEXT TIME, it will work.

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  172. @Lot

    Blame John Locke and the tabula rasa.
     
    Please don't.

    Locke's point on tabula rasa was that people were not born with ideas (like "dog," and "loud") but required sensory input to form them. His argument against Descartes and Plato and had nothing to do with behavioral or intellectual egalitarianism.

    Bruh, Locke has this thought experiment where you take the soul of a prince and transfer it into the body of a commoner. Then the commoner becomes the prince, according to Locke. The soul is the sum total of impressions, produced by experiences. Locke’s vision does not assume HBD differences between a commoner or king. One may disagree with Locke, but Lockean empiricism is pretty radical stuff!

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    and yet after Locke belief in heredity continued

    it was only after Boas and the cultural marxists took over academia and *enforced* belief in non-heredity that these problems started
    , @ben tillman

    Bruh, Locke has this thought experiment where you take the soul of a prince and transfer it into the body of a commoner. Then the commoner becomes the prince, according to Locke. The soul is the sum total of impressions, produced by experiences. Locke’s vision does not assume HBD differences between a commoner or king.
     
    It certainly seems to. The difference between the king's soul and the commoner's is part of human biodiversity as understood at the time.
  173. Vice President Mike Pence is 51.

    https://youtu.be/tWgV2Qw7ViA — Dick Butkus #51 highlights

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    In peace there’s nothing so becomes a man
    As modest stillness and humility,
    But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
    Then imitate the action of the tiger:
    Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
    Disguise fair nature with hard-favored rage
  174. @Harry Baldwin
    I have a different theory to explain why conservatives support school choice. It's because, in politics, you have to have a solution to offer. It doesn't have to be a practical solution, just plausible enough so you have to have a response when the question comes up.

    Q: Education?
    A: School choice!

    You can't very well expect an American politician to respond, "Our schools aren't 'broken.' Blacks are doing about as well as can be expected considering their lower IQ and lack of impulse control."

    This was illustrated in the 2012 campaign by Obama. He had proposed a jobs program--Stimulus 2.0--that was so unpalatable that Harry Reid wouldn't even support it. However, what was important was that when Obama was campaigning, and a reporter asked what he was going to do about unemployment, he could say, "I've put forth a jobs bill but the Republican congress won't even consider it, so you should ask them."

    The jobs bill performed its only actual intended function, providing Obama with a way to answer the unemployment question.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/us/politics/democrats-in-congress-balking-at-obamas-jobs-bill.html

    Obviously school choice can’t make silk purses out of sow’s ears, but it’s still valuable. It allows higher functioning blacks who are interested in education (and the few remaining whites) to get away from feral blacks who remain behind in the general public schools. There are a number of charter schools in Philadelphia which, while they are not producing black geniuses (that is asking the impossible in most cases), are at least clean well ordered places where the kids are learning about as much as they could be expected to learn given their IQ. This may seem like a modest accomplishment, but it is a lot compared to public schools where disruptive thugs make it impossible for any learning to take place.

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    But how do you ensure the new schools only get "higher functioning blacks who are interested in education" and not "feral blacks"? AFAICT anything that ensures that is just as vulnerable to being attacked for "disparate impact" as similar measures would be in our public schools. Perhaps I am underestimating the charter schools, but it seems to me essentially all educators have consumed the problem Kool-Aid.

    Perhaps Philadelphia provides an existence proof it can be done (modulo scalability?). Could you elaborate on how the charter schools there function and how they avoid or otherwise handle problem students?
  175. @Frau Katze
    It's problem with no solution. If schools tomorrow said that blacks have lower IQs and are more violent, no black would believe it.

    There would be massive riots. It's too easy for them to blame someone else.

    It’s problem with no solution. If schools tomorrow said that blacks have lower IQs and are more violent, no black would believe it.

    Oh, there’s a solution, all right. Most states had it figured out right up until about 1954…

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  176. @Njguy73
    You're half right.

    If abortion was re-criminalized, it would be dysgenic from a supply-side perspective, as the richer citizens, those who tend towards productivity and thrift, would be more able to afford abortion.

    However, there's the demand-side perspective. Those citizens who demonstrate productivity and thrift tend to be more law-abiding than those who demonstrate duty-shirking and profligacy. Thus, those more apt to skirt the law would have abortions, and render abortion eugenic.

    Trump’s desire is not to made a Federal crime of abortion but to turn it back to the states where it was before the S. Ct. stuck its nose into it. The “blue” states would surely leave it legal, so wealthier people traveling to other states for abortion would not be committing any crime. Even if you made it illegal in all states, they could still get on a plane and go to another country.

    In addition, even the most law abiding people are willing to break laws if they feel that the government is exceeding the proper scope of its authority. How many otherwise highly productive and law abiding citizens drank alcohol during Prohibition? How many business executives drive faster than the speed limit? How many have sniffed coke or smoked a joint?

    Higher functioning people also tend to seek abortions earlier, when chemical methods are effective. How hard would it be to smuggle RU-486 pills into a state? How many people are so law abiding that they would rather take care of a child for the rest of their life instead of taking a pill?

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    Good points. I was simply looking at it from a theoretical POV.

    As for law-abiding people breaking laws, that's a risk-reward scenario. A speeding ticket may not mean much to a rich person. And there's different social stigmas attached to different "crimes" in different socioeconomic groups.
  177. @SPMoore8
    They learned that “shouting out” answers in class and lack of punctuality are black cultural traits and that what may seem to be defiant student behavior is, in fact, just a culturally conditioned expression of “enthusiasm.”

    "enthusiastically late" sounds like something that could become popular.

    SPMoore, I watch a documentary about Serena Williams and a woman related to her said, paraphrasing here “Whites don’t understand, blacks need to be loud.” Goes over big at Wimbleton I guess.

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    I don't understand, because they don't *need* to be that loud. I understand they are loud; that's just how they are. I don't have to like it.
    , @larry lurker
    A buddy of mine studied Speech & Hearing Science and was told in class that American blacks "conversate" about 15 decibels louder than whites. I remember being shocked that this borderline hatefact would be taught in a public university, but I have no reason to think he made it up. Can't find anything about it online though.
  178. @King Baeksu

    The key is a place called Africa. The cost of one-way trips, especially organised on a large scale, will be dwarfed by the long term savings.
     
    I recently spent some time in Ethiopia. Quite a few Ethiopians go to work in the US (or elsewhere in the West) for a decade or two and then return to establish businesses or invest in properties with the capital they've saved up. At the moment Addis Ababa is booming and the Chinese and Koreans are everywhere in the country. If the African-American community had had its shit together, they could have taken over much of the African continent already and freed themselves of the burden of living in "white supremacist" AmeriKKKa. So why haven't they?

    From the day that the first slave was freed and caused problems (which was one day after the day that the first slave was freed), it occurred to people that it would be better to send the freed slaves back to Africa. Liberia was founded for this exact purpose. But it never worked and it never will work, so forget it. Slavery was America’s original sin and we must pay and pay forever. But why we must continue to let even more blacks in beats the hell out of me.

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  179. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Steve, I know you have some janitorial experience, even if just cleaning out your garage. Have you thought about a government position as a janitor?


    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/BART-janitor-pay-270000-Powell-St-questions-10911932.php

    Cameras catch BART janitor who made $270,000 in a year spending hours in Powell St. closet

    By Katie Dowd, San Francisco Chronicle Updated 12:31 pm, Monday, February 6, 2017

    Last November, a nonprofit called Transparent California reported that a BART janitor named Liang Zhao Zhang made $271,000 in a single year — over $162,000 of that in the form of overtime.

    Now, a KTVU investigation into Zhang's hours and pay revealed that he disappears into a storage closet at the Powell St. station, sometimes for hours a day.

    In order to observe how Zhang spent his sometimes 17-hour work day, KTVU requested surveillance video from BART. On it, they saw Zhang entering a storage closet twice in one day, once for 54 minutes and again for 90 minutes later in the day. On another day, they observed Zhang in the closet for 90 minutes in the afternoon and another 78 minutes in the evening.

    Zhang tells the TV crew he is taking his meal breaks during that time, although a BART representative told KTVU employees eat their lunch in the separate break room. BART employees are normally given 30 minutes for lunch, although BART doesn't track their breaks.

     

    Anonymous, I call BS on this story. Everyone knows it’s so San Franciscan to come out of the closet. Zhang is practicing for his coming out party.

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  180. @sean c
    The key is vouchers with no strings attached. Let the parents flee these schools and pick ones that maintain order and discipline. Also pass laws giving teachers more authority to remove disruptive students from their classrooms.

    sean, Cleveland give vouchers to parents who place their children in private or Catholic schools. School can be outside of the district, but child has to live in the district.

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    • Replies: @Ed
    School choice in Michigan, DeVos's stomping ground, has gutted schools in formerly white working class areas such as Macomb. Eastpointe Michigan which in 2000 was less than 5% black is now 40% black. The schools are about 70% black.

    The culprit is school choice that allows Detroit & others from poor performing school to attend a school of their choice. Many end up at the closest good school. Of course as readers of the blog know it's the students that determine the quality of a school not the school. Predictably Eastpointe schools are no longer good.

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/09/20/schools-choice-creating-white-flight-metro-detroit/90509180/

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/schools/1245004950/school.aspx
  181. @Ivy
    World Star High School videos? Imagine the impact of those videos on a public that has absolutely no idea what goes on in schools. Nostalgia, vague memories and anecdotes pale in comparison to the visceral impact of classroom, school bus and lunchroom antics, er, crimes.

    Ivy, I placed the blame squarely on the backs of unionized public school teachers who will “walk” for any mere infraction of their contract, but won’t stand up tp the community when they are literally beaten into the hospital.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Agreed, sad commentary on what was a noble profession.

    I'd love to see some naming and shaming for all the dysfunctional schools, if for no other reason than to force lefties to admit what so many had tried to say over the years. Of course, that would mean more detention all around.

    , @Jack D
    Teacher assault is an everyday occurrence in Phila. I personally know 2 teachers who have been assaulted. At one school there were 3 assaults in 1 month despite the fact that 10 police officers are assigned to the school.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20141108_Another_teacher_assaulted_at_Bartram_High.html

    The students like to take pictures of the teacher lying knocked out cold and post them on the internet.

    The student usually gets suspended but the criminal justice system does nothing - unless you shoot or stab someone, they are not interested in prosecution because the jails are already full of more serious offenders.
  182. @EriK
    And the failed superintendent gets bought out for $800K. Smh.
    And I bet she gets another job.

    EriK, Buffalo changes black school superintendents about every three years and they always find another job. BPS pays them about $250K per yr plus benefits and the one before our new sup was Pamela Brown, who was so unqualified, that the state hired a mentor for on the job training. Cleveland had Barbara Byrd Bennett, who left under a cloud and went to Chicago, where she was indicted by the feds. Give them what they want, but make them live with the results.

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  183. @Marat Said
    I was recently reading about the city of Boston's 1 billion dollar proposed budget for next year, and noticed an Assistant Superintendent of Social Emotional Learning and Wellness.

    Which of course implies there's a full Superintendent of the same.

    Marat, I am surprised that Boston’s school budget is ONLY $1 billion. Buffalo’s budget, when you add in grants, has exceeded $1 billion for years.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Does that include snow removal and any costs for extra weather days? Readers such as myself who haven't been to your fair city may only know of it through the news, enjoying wings, watching the Bills and listening to Jimmy Buffett songs. One of my employees grew up in suburban Buffalo and talked about how houses could be purchased during one downturn for a few thousand. Not sure if he was pulling my leg or not.
    , @Jack D
    I think it depends on how you do the math. Wikipedia says that the Buffalo budget is $800 million for 34,000 students and Boston is $1.2 billion for 54,000 students, which comes out to about the same on a per pupil basis.

    Something is seriously wrong with these budgets. If you figure $20,000 plus per student then there is $400,000 going into a 20 student elementary classroom (when I was growing up they would put 30 in a class). If you figure $50,000 for teacher pay, a generous $50,000 for rent and utilities on the classroom and another, generous $50,000 for administrative overhead, that's only $150K and there's still $250K unaccounted for. Something is rotten in Denmark. Where is all this money going?
  184. There’s a proponent of Silva’s approach that has recently been hired to tackle “discipline inequities” at Syracuse schools. Her previous job was in Baltimore where lax school discipline results in teacher assaults & millions of workman comp payments as a result.

    She’s off to a great start.

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.syracuse.com/articles/17681010/discipline_expert_tells_syracuse_community_to_step_up.amp?client=safari

    SYRACUSE, N.Y. — An expert charged with curing the discipline inequities within the Syracuse City School District told the community it’s normal to want to kill each other now.

    Suspensions are down and appropriate policies have been put in place within the district, Tisha Edwards said, but the most difficult work — changing the district’s culture — remains. And the district has yet to hire the two people charged with changing that culture.

    Edwards was critical of a recent protest regarding Superintendent Sharon Contreras’ contract , during which issues of race and safety surfaced.

    Protesters said the safety of teachers and staff has been compromised as a result of the changes to disciplinary procedures. A survey conducted by the teachers union backed up some of the protesters’ claims. Many of those issues again surfaced at a school board meeting .

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  185. @Buffalo Joe
    sean, Cleveland give vouchers to parents who place their children in private or Catholic schools. School can be outside of the district, but child has to live in the district.

    School choice in Michigan, DeVos’s stomping ground, has gutted schools in formerly white working class areas such as Macomb. Eastpointe Michigan which in 2000 was less than 5% black is now 40% black. The schools are about 70% black.

    The culprit is school choice that allows Detroit & others from poor performing school to attend a school of their choice. Many end up at the closest good school. Of course as readers of the blog know it’s the students that determine the quality of a school not the school. Predictably Eastpointe schools are no longer good.

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/09/20/schools-choice-creating-white-flight-metro-detroit/90509180/

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/schools/1245004950/school.aspx

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Ed, Thank you for your comment. I learn something new here every day
    , @Ivy
    The speed of the change contributed mightily to the devastation. It was as if some dam had been holding back the waters of choice, then came the rains. Await government program to dribble out any adjustments to prevent recurrence, or similar elsewhere. Different image, stampede, all those animal spirits from the market in common sense unleash themselves.

    "No, you can't protect your kid by escaping, as we already have our quota of cis-hetcetera applicants this decade."

    , @Joe Schmoe
    In the Houston school district, students with any disciplinary infractions cannot transfer. This is in a district where the joke is, "If you couldn't get a transfer, you didn't try." The brochure on transfer options is so extensive that pretty much anyone would qualify for at least one if not more. But the key is discipline. No transfers for kids with discipline problems. Also, if a student has a clean record, then transfers, then has a discipline issue, buh bye. He goes right back to his zoned school. I mean, people are not so adamant against dumber kids sitting next to their kids. They just don't want to deal with violence and other criminal and malicious behavior. Vouchers are okay, so long as schools can kick them out the first moment they are poorly behaved.
  186. @Das
    I talk to a lot of unionized teachers in urban school districts, and they're mostly concerned about protecting their pay and benefits, not getting stabbed, and not getting blamed for the achievement gap.

    If it were possible to put, say, Steve Sailer, in charge of American education, that would be great. But in reality there are only three groups in the entire country that are mobilized around education policy.

    If teacher's unions aren't setting policy, policy is going to be set by liberal education scamsters like Michelle Rhee or libertarian ideologues like Betsy DeVos.

    Das, I was an Unionized construction journeyman and we always set all the work rules and policies and scheduling and even bid the jobs, BUT you know I’m making this up. Why should the teachers set any policies?

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  187. @PiltdownMan
    OT:

    ‘We are all Americans,’ says Corona ad, meaning not just folks in those 50 states


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/07/we-are-all-americans-says-corona-ad-meaning-not-just-that-country-with-50-states/?utm_term=.6874b4ea1e86

    In a statement about the campaign, Corona said: “This campaign is very different from our other applications of the brand. Everyone is familiar with the iconic Corona campaigns but this time we want to pass a clear message to all Mexicans, to break their mental frontiers and keep progressing. We hope the message we’re sharing resonates not only with generations of Mexicans but with people around the world...”

     

    Not even pretending anymore.

    Piltdown, So, I guess my last Corona, was actually my last Corona. See, that was easy. May I have a Stella please.

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    • Replies: @res
    If you need another reason, check out my earlier comment:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-zeroth-amendment/#comment-1749648
    Survey showing Corona drinking percentage for each party:
    Corona 15/6/3 D/R/I
    You wouldn't want to confuse anyone ; )
  188. @Buffalo Joe
    SPMoore, I watch a documentary about Serena Williams and a woman related to her said, paraphrasing here "Whites don't understand, blacks need to be loud." Goes over big at Wimbleton I guess.

    I don’t understand, because they don’t *need* to be that loud. I understand they are loud; that’s just how they are. I don’t have to like it.

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  189. @Tiny Duck
    There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children. When this information is given to the leadership at schools, instead of asking the hard questions they simply justify it. Either way, there is enough blame to go around, on the parents, on children, and yes, on school administrators also. I am part of the problem and so are you. Its that simple.

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood? No you haven't... Yet you speak as if your a subject matter expert on the black community, then you conclude by referring to the "democrats" and their policies. Your comments simply reveals your deep seated ignorance, bias, and anger, all of which is the natrual consequence of watching propagandist news while doing little to inform yourself on how the real world works.

    Do youself a favor, read some credible material on the topic then follow up with some real life experiences and watch how much your perspective changes.... If you choose not to do this, its because your enjoy your anger and pity party where you get to blame everyone else for issues that happen in your country. Either way, it would do you well to look in the mirror.

    There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children.

    Tell that to Adrian Peterson!

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood?

    Yes, I have. But most of them were refugees (according to the State Department or whoever), so they behaved, at least the first and most of the second generation. We’ll see about the third.

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  190. @Jus' Sayin'...
    There is no need to suspend the trouble makers. NYC once had "discipline" schools" for students like these until progs forced their elimination. Lock the most troublesome students up for eight hours a day, six days a week, in discipline schools. Chain them to their desks and let them be taught by teachers isolated from them by a bullet proof barrier. Feed them only foods recommended by our ex, affirmative action, first lady. Let them prey on one another with escalating consequences for serious harm/crime. Let them leave these schools only when they are testing up to to grade level or are past the age when they must be retained. Have 24/7, escape-proof boarding schools for those who cannot be constrained even by such discipline schools.

    "That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson..."
     
    The Coleman Report found that one of the strongest correlates of poor teaching performance was race. (For obvious reasons, this result is buried in the appendices.) My observation is that in general Negro teachers are worse teachers, by almost any measure of performance than teachers of other races. The Bayesian computed odds are that a teacher named Tameka Johnson, or Shitavious Royalton for that matter, is probably going to be a worse teacher than someone with a name that is less of a dog whistle indicating the bearer is a Negro .

    I can’t speak with much experience on this, went to a rural school with an all white faculty and nearly all white student body, but as far as the discussion about black teachers go, I was thinking.

    Maybe the schools don’t need black teachers named Tameka (female) but what about black men. What if some city or state started an effort to recruit black ex-NCOs or athletes as teachers?

    I don’t think most inner city youth need pious white or Asian ladies teaching them…..a gruff black man who’d show them who’s top dog would probably be better.

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    • Replies: @Ed
    The nature of the black IQ distribution makes it difficult to get the requisite number of teachers. The problem is similar to that of finding black police officers. Prospective black teachers fail state certification exams at such a high rate many states allow test takers to take the test multiple times. I believe NY state was sued over their exam as having a disparate impact.

    The few blacks that can pass it tend to go into more lucrative professions. Also black teachers are among those that leave when schools get too black.
  191. @Ed
    School choice in Michigan, DeVos's stomping ground, has gutted schools in formerly white working class areas such as Macomb. Eastpointe Michigan which in 2000 was less than 5% black is now 40% black. The schools are about 70% black.

    The culprit is school choice that allows Detroit & others from poor performing school to attend a school of their choice. Many end up at the closest good school. Of course as readers of the blog know it's the students that determine the quality of a school not the school. Predictably Eastpointe schools are no longer good.

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/09/20/schools-choice-creating-white-flight-metro-detroit/90509180/

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/schools/1245004950/school.aspx

    Ed, Thank you for your comment. I learn something new here every day

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  192. @Jus' Sayin'...
    There is no need to suspend the trouble makers. NYC once had "discipline" schools" for students like these until progs forced their elimination. Lock the most troublesome students up for eight hours a day, six days a week, in discipline schools. Chain them to their desks and let them be taught by teachers isolated from them by a bullet proof barrier. Feed them only foods recommended by our ex, affirmative action, first lady. Let them prey on one another with escalating consequences for serious harm/crime. Let them leave these schools only when they are testing up to to grade level or are past the age when they must be retained. Have 24/7, escape-proof boarding schools for those who cannot be constrained even by such discipline schools.

    "That school needs teachers named Tameka Jackson..."
     
    The Coleman Report found that one of the strongest correlates of poor teaching performance was race. (For obvious reasons, this result is buried in the appendices.) My observation is that in general Negro teachers are worse teachers, by almost any measure of performance than teachers of other races. The Bayesian computed odds are that a teacher named Tameka Johnson, or Shitavious Royalton for that matter, is probably going to be a worse teacher than someone with a name that is less of a dog whistle indicating the bearer is a Negro .

    There was a sci-fi story from the 70′s that was pretty much exactly that except the kids were drugged, had individual computer on their desks, and were separated by a barrier from the teacher.

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  193. @Jack D
    Obviously school choice can't make silk purses out of sow's ears, but it's still valuable. It allows higher functioning blacks who are interested in education (and the few remaining whites) to get away from feral blacks who remain behind in the general public schools. There are a number of charter schools in Philadelphia which, while they are not producing black geniuses (that is asking the impossible in most cases), are at least clean well ordered places where the kids are learning about as much as they could be expected to learn given their IQ. This may seem like a modest accomplishment, but it is a lot compared to public schools where disruptive thugs make it impossible for any learning to take place.

    But how do you ensure the new schools only get “higher functioning blacks who are interested in education” and not “feral blacks”? AFAICT anything that ensures that is just as vulnerable to being attacked for “disparate impact” as similar measures would be in our public schools. Perhaps I am underestimating the charter schools, but it seems to me essentially all educators have consumed the problem Kool-Aid.

    Perhaps Philadelphia provides an existence proof it can be done (modulo scalability?). Could you elaborate on how the charter schools there function and how they avoid or otherwise handle problem students?

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  194. @Das
    "School choice" is an unholy alliance between liberals who want to bring back bussing, and conservatives who just want to burn public education down altogether.

    People trash K-12 education in the US, but it works about as well as you could reasonably expect given the country's demographics.

    There’s still the question of the necessity of public education. Does a kid with an IQ of 80 gain anything in education after, say, the eighth grade? It seems like a massive waste of resources to me and I’m sure the kid would get more value, and contribute more to society, by skipping high school altogether and finding some kind of job, however menial.

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    • Replies: @guest
    I don't know, we don't even agree on what constitutes education. Whatever the kid is getting, between myself and those who set Edjakashun policy there is a gap (a gap, not the Gap) as wide as the Pacific Ocean as to what we oughtta be doing with kids' minds. If they can see any value at all in having literal retards in the same classrooms as geniuses, they can find uses for keeping control of stupid to middling intellects for as long as possible.
  195. @Buffalo Joe
    Piltdown, So, I guess my last Corona, was actually my last Corona. See, that was easy. May I have a Stella please.

    If you need another reason, check out my earlier comment:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-zeroth-amendment/#comment-1749648

    Survey showing Corona drinking percentage for each party:
    Corona 15/6/3 D/R/I
    You wouldn’t want to confuse anyone ; )

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  196. @Tiny Duck
    There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children. When this information is given to the leadership at schools, instead of asking the hard questions they simply justify it. Either way, there is enough blame to go around, on the parents, on children, and yes, on school administrators also. I am part of the problem and so are you. Its that simple.

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood? No you haven't... Yet you speak as if your a subject matter expert on the black community, then you conclude by referring to the "democrats" and their policies. Your comments simply reveals your deep seated ignorance, bias, and anger, all of which is the natrual consequence of watching propagandist news while doing little to inform yourself on how the real world works.

    Do youself a favor, read some credible material on the topic then follow up with some real life experiences and watch how much your perspective changes.... If you choose not to do this, its because your enjoy your anger and pity party where you get to blame everyone else for issues that happen in your country. Either way, it would do you well to look in the mirror.

    Your comments simply reveals your deep seated ignorance, bias, and anger, all of which is the natrual consequence of watching propagandist news while doing little to inform yourself on how the real world works.

    I had originally considered that Tiny Duck might be Godfrey Elfwick but then it occurred to me that Godfrey is actually funny.

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  197. @Ed
    I'm black and you're full of crap. I did live & attend a heavily black school. It was chaotic because of the behaviors of the kids. I found that the teachers/administrators that were tougher on black kids were black. I suspect it was because they expected more of us. I should point out that my parents are African so I could see the cultural difference between us & the African American kids up close.

    You and your fellow white liberals would do better if you stopped defending deplorable behavior simply because blacks are doing it. You're not doing anyone any favors.

    You and your fellow white liberals would do better if you stopped defending deplorable behavior simply because blacks are doing it. You’re not doing anyone any favors.

    Yes, they are. They’re doing themselves a favor. Which is what it’s all about.

    Steve should filter out avian commenters, because the most annoying seem to be a mallard and a crow.

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  198. The deepest source of the racial-equity discipline gap is profound differences in family structure.

    I’m waiting for the day that it’s conclusively shown to be something like MAOA-2R. A strange day indeed.

    Of course that day will have nothing on the day when [Chinese] scientists announce that they can ballpark a fetus’ future SAT score within 30 points from Amniocentesis, 18 years before the exam.

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    • Replies: @Jack D

    Of course that day will have nothing on the day when [Chinese] scientists announce that they can ballpark a fetus’ future SAT score within 30 points from Amniocentesis, 18 years before the exam.
     
    18 years after that will be the day when the average Chinese SAT score hits 1500 (on the 1600 point scale) because no Chinese mother will want to bear a child with less than a ballpark 1500+. The procedure will be illegal in America as an affront to distributive justice (but all the Chinese mothers in America will do it anyway).
    , @Lot
    I noted here before that the Chinese will be able to give their kids blond hair and blue eyes long before they can make them smart via genetic manipulation. IQ involves 100s of genes with very small effects. A lot of physical features involve just 1 or under 10 genes.
  199. @Marat Said
    I was recently reading about the city of Boston's 1 billion dollar proposed budget for next year, and noticed an Assistant Superintendent of Social Emotional Learning and Wellness.

    Which of course implies there's a full Superintendent of the same.

    Social Wellness Emotional Learning Liaison.
    Or, as Clint Eastwood said, “Swell!”

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  200. @Ed
    I'm black and you're full of crap. I did live & attend a heavily black school. It was chaotic because of the behaviors of the kids. I found that the teachers/administrators that were tougher on black kids were black. I suspect it was because they expected more of us. I should point out that my parents are African so I could see the cultural difference between us & the African American kids up close.

    You and your fellow white liberals would do better if you stopped defending deplorable behavior simply because blacks are doing it. You're not doing anyone any favors.

    Speak it louder Ed and shout it from the rooftops.

    “The worst enemy of the black community is the white liberal. “

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    • Replies: @dfordoom

    “The worst enemy of the black community is the white liberal."
     
    Absolutely.

    America doesn't have a race problem. It has a white liberal problem.
  201. @Ed
    School choice in Michigan, DeVos's stomping ground, has gutted schools in formerly white working class areas such as Macomb. Eastpointe Michigan which in 2000 was less than 5% black is now 40% black. The schools are about 70% black.

    The culprit is school choice that allows Detroit & others from poor performing school to attend a school of their choice. Many end up at the closest good school. Of course as readers of the blog know it's the students that determine the quality of a school not the school. Predictably Eastpointe schools are no longer good.

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/09/20/schools-choice-creating-white-flight-metro-detroit/90509180/

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/schools/1245004950/school.aspx

    The speed of the change contributed mightily to the devastation. It was as if some dam had been holding back the waters of choice, then came the rains. Await government program to dribble out any adjustments to prevent recurrence, or similar elsewhere. Different image, stampede, all those animal spirits from the market in common sense unleash themselves.

    “No, you can’t protect your kid by escaping, as we already have our quota of cis-hetcetera applicants this decade.”

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  202. @Olorin
    Can't agree, Sean.

    Vouchers do nothing but pile the ineducable and unruly into better schools...for which I'm already being reamed thousands of dollars per year in real estate taxes.

    All they can contribute is the disorder, stupidity, and criminality they bring with them, which was the cause of their former schools being latrines.

    If teachers could remove the disruptive from their classrooms, where would they go?

    All you'd end up with is formerly good schools and the same set of problems we have now. And a bazillion more expensive dolt-wrangling Programs.

    We need to attack this entire problem from its supply side: r-strategy reproduction, low-IQ reproduction, and immigration from low-IQ nations/peoples.

    Humanity does not evolve and thrive where the worst are full of passionate intensity (so to speak) and the best lack all conviction.

    Thoughtful comment, and nice Yeats paraphrase. Onward and upward with HBD awareness!

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  203. @Buffalo Joe
    Marat, I am surprised that Boston's school budget is ONLY $1 billion. Buffalo's budget, when you add in grants, has exceeded $1 billion for years.

    Does that include snow removal and any costs for extra weather days? Readers such as myself who haven’t been to your fair city may only know of it through the news, enjoying wings, watching the Bills and listening to Jimmy Buffett songs. One of my employees grew up in suburban Buffalo and talked about how houses could be purchased during one downturn for a few thousand. Not sure if he was pulling my leg or not.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Ivy, your one leg may be a little longer than the other, but there are comparative housing bargains around Buffalo. A 6400 sq ft custom built home on 6.5 acres on a private cul de sac around the corner from me sold for $790K which was less than the $990K building price, but $28K in property taxes. Yikes! WNY is poorly perceived but a nice place to live. We have less snow than you would imagine, but our occasional major snow storms are, well, major. There are a number of notable athletes who played here and returned to live after their careers ended elsewhere. Scotty Bowman stayed here and his son the Blackhawks GM, has a place on Lake Erie. There is no better place for freshwater fishing than WNY, with Lakes Erie and Ontario and the mighty Niagara. Probably more farmland than you imagine and some cultural gems, like the world renowned Albright-Know Art Gallery. The Elmwood Village area of Buffalo is rated as one of the best neighborhoods in the US of A. Reasonable restaurant prices and entertainment too.
  204. @Buffalo Joe
    Ivy, I placed the blame squarely on the backs of unionized public school teachers who will "walk" for any mere infraction of their contract, but won't stand up tp the community when they are literally beaten into the hospital.

    Agreed, sad commentary on what was a noble profession.

    I’d love to see some naming and shaming for all the dysfunctional schools, if for no other reason than to force lefties to admit what so many had tried to say over the years. Of course, that would mean more detention all around.

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  205. @Buffalo Joe
    Ivy, I placed the blame squarely on the backs of unionized public school teachers who will "walk" for any mere infraction of their contract, but won't stand up tp the community when they are literally beaten into the hospital.

    Teacher assault is an everyday occurrence in Phila. I personally know 2 teachers who have been assaulted. At one school there were 3 assaults in 1 month despite the fact that 10 police officers are assigned to the school.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20141108_Another_teacher_assaulted_at_Bartram_High.html

    The students like to take pictures of the teacher lying knocked out cold and post them on the internet.

    The student usually gets suspended but the criminal justice system does nothing – unless you shoot or stab someone, they are not interested in prosecution because the jails are already full of more serious offenders.

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    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    The student usually gets suspended but the criminal justice system does nothing – unless you shoot or stab someone, they are not interested in prosecution because the jails are already full of more serious offenders.
     
    Doesn't that vary by jurisdiction? I expect there are fewer problems with overstuffed prison cells in Iowa.
  206. @Tiny Duck
    There is substantial proof that demonstrates an uneven hand when it relates to disiplinary action agaisnt African American children. When this information is given to the leadership at schools, instead of asking the hard questions they simply justify it. Either way, there is enough blame to go around, on the parents, on children, and yes, on school administrators also. I am part of the problem and so are you. Its that simple.

    Have you ever lived in a predominately black neighborhood? No you haven't... Yet you speak as if your a subject matter expert on the black community, then you conclude by referring to the "democrats" and their policies. Your comments simply reveals your deep seated ignorance, bias, and anger, all of which is the natrual consequence of watching propagandist news while doing little to inform yourself on how the real world works.

    Do youself a favor, read some credible material on the topic then follow up with some real life experiences and watch how much your perspective changes.... If you choose not to do this, its because your enjoy your anger and pity party where you get to blame everyone else for issues that happen in your country. Either way, it would do you well to look in the mirror.

    Decent effort, but you need a punchier thesis. Start off with something like “This is an article that comes from a bigoted, ignorant angle,” and then continue onward. It’ll help provoke ire right from the get-go.

    BTW, you should share your comments on HuffPo too. And NYT.

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  207. @King Baeksu
    I taught young male apprentices for Saudi Aramco in 2014-2015 (Eastern Province, KSA). They didn't usually bring weapons to class but they were certainly wild and unruly, especially since they didn't have much opportunity for the kind of "sexual release" that young American men take for granted. Their preferred form a recreation was drifting in the desert in souped-up American muscle cars, and at least once a month one student would turn up to school on Sunday morning with an arm or leg in a cast. One or two even died during my time there, in what were always vaguely described as "traffic accidents."

    The consensus among the veteran teachers there, a number of them Egyptians who were intimately familiar with the culture, was "spare the rod and spoil the child." It was my experience that if you gave them an inch they would immediately demand a mile, and were effectively lost at that point as far as classroom discipline was concerned. Some even confided to me that a "strong hand" was the only way to get them to learn properly. There was one other Yank teacher there, a Mexican-American from California, who simply gave up and let the students do whatever they wanted in class, with the end result that he spoiled many of the students for the rest of us. I agree with those who argue for a "zero-tolerance policy" from an early age, or else teachers with problem students will always be fighting a losing battle, and more to the point ruining the learning experience of the rest of the students.

    These naive, do-gooder liberal educators need to wake the fuck up.

    A friend was in KSA in the 1970s and had many of the same observations. He said that they were essentially Bedouins with allowances, barely removed from the 12th century. They would abandon wrecked cars then go buy new ones on Uncle Faisal’s dime. They had neither appreciation of, nor respect for, quaint ideas like traffic laws. Seeing cars racing three-abreast over hills and around blind curves was not uncommon, so westerners tended to stay off the roads when possible.

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  208. @verylongaccountname
    The really astonishing thing is that only 162K of his 271K salary is overtime. So BART pays a janitor 109K/year as a base salary! No wonder cops demand 300K/year.

    That janitor salary gives new meaning to Magic Dirt! It tends to have a blue tinge.

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  209. @Buffalo Joe
    Marat, I am surprised that Boston's school budget is ONLY $1 billion. Buffalo's budget, when you add in grants, has exceeded $1 billion for years.

    I think it depends on how you do the math. Wikipedia says that the Buffalo budget is $800 million for 34,000 students and Boston is $1.2 billion for 54,000 students, which comes out to about the same on a per pupil basis.

    Something is seriously wrong with these budgets. If you figure $20,000 plus per student then there is $400,000 going into a 20 student elementary classroom (when I was growing up they would put 30 in a class). If you figure $50,000 for teacher pay, a generous $50,000 for rent and utilities on the classroom and another, generous $50,000 for administrative overhead, that’s only $150K and there’s still $250K unaccounted for. Something is rotten in Denmark. Where is all this money going?

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    And the $20k per student does not include capital spending which is bonded. Here in the Peoples Republic, the replacement for a usable 30 year old HS was estimated at $50m but by the time they got through gold-plating it the cost (surprise!) was $100m+!
    , @Formerly CARealist
    you need to multiply a few variables by 2 or 3. Prevailing wage laws make the facilities outrageously expensive. The benefits for the teacher are just as much as the salary. Don't forget the worker's comp expense! Do schools pay for liability insurance? Don't know. Special needs students can soak a lot of money too.

    BTW, this is not to say that teachers are overpaid. Some may be, but for most, for what they have to deal with, they're likely underpaid. I've seen classrooms where you'd have to pay me at least 500k to tolerate that crap day in and day out.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Jack D, The Buffalo News lists the BPS budget at $948 million and an additional $140 million in grant money. Teachers salaries are a little light of the surrounding suburbs but the benefits are good. They just gave up ELECTIVE PLASTIC SURGEY in their latest contract. An article a few years back listed Buffalo and Rochester as two school districts with the highest per student expenditure in the nation. I will do some more research and be back to you. The school district I live in educates for half of Buffalo's rate. Layers and layers of administrative costs, high price principals and their multiple assistants add up quickly and every teacher has an aide, as does every bus driver.
    , @PenskeFile
    Just as a point of reference on those budget figures and cost per student. I served for years on the finance committee of my children's Catholic grade school. Our cost per student in recent years was about $5400. About half of our facilities cost was covered by the parish, but we paid the note on a modular classroom structure and we paid for all maintenance and utilities.

    Granted, we did not pay for special ed, remedial teachers, security, metal detectors, assistant principals, cafeteria food prep (this was contracted out and paid by the parents directly to the provider), "curriculum development specialists" (some guidance provided by diocesan school officials, they have a total staff of about 5 for 50 schools in the diocese) and on and on.

    Every year, the students take a national standardized test, either the ITBS or Stanford Achievement Test and the results are used for diagnostics and benchmarking. Problem students were told to leave when they became disruptive.

    We provide a solid education in a safe environment at low costs. Imagine if this model were available to the students and parents who wanted it, but could not afford it. The savings left over could fund all kinds of programs to help those with special needs.

    Clearly, as a society we have to provide for the intellectually challenged and severely handicapped but what we're doing with the public schools is not working. The biggest "Social Justice" issue in this country is the inequity in schools thanks to the system we have in place.
  210. @Ed
    I'm black and you're full of crap. I did live & attend a heavily black school. It was chaotic because of the behaviors of the kids. I found that the teachers/administrators that were tougher on black kids were black. I suspect it was because they expected more of us. I should point out that my parents are African so I could see the cultural difference between us & the African American kids up close.

    You and your fellow white liberals would do better if you stopped defending deplorable behavior simply because blacks are doing it. You're not doing anyone any favors.

    The Duck is a troll…but your point stands.

    My 70% black city’s public school system was about 85% black, closer to 97% in the high school. It was a nightmare at every level, and not a day of my life passes that I don’t thank my (long dead) parents for having exerted heroic effort to get me into private schools starting in grade 7.

    It took me 30 years to get myself, my mother, and a few others out of there and to Whiteopia. Where I quickly realized, with shock, working in the Ed Biz myself, that every liberal program for the uplift of blacks appeared to result in exactly the opposite.

    One might almost conclude it is a stealthy population genetic strategy to keep blacks down and themselves on top by recreating and encouraging black dysfunction, then exploiting it for various forms of pay/advancement.

    What can be done with black genetics is a topic of its own. But libs and progs are not allowing discussion of the population genetics/population biology inherent in these social and political matters. That should tell us something about their intentions, conscious or not.

    Nor are Bible-thumping “conservative” whites allowing it, who are right on board with (((Lazarian))) propaganda involving spiky French giantesses, open borders immigration, Israel, and all the related received 20th century narratives.

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  211. @Dr. X

    Equity advocates’ central premise is that teachers, not students, are to blame for the racial-equity discipline gap.
     
    The irony is that white public school teachers are usually the most racially egalitarian, pie-in-the-sky, left-wing diversity-mongers out there. Most of them would rather crawl over broken glass on their hands and knees than turn in black students for punishment. When they do, you know the students must be really, really bad.

    And then (of course) the administration, top-heavy with diversity hires, blames them? Hah...

    The irony is that white public school teachers are usually the most racially egalitarian, pie-in-the-sky, left-wing diversity-mongers out there.

    In my experience, they’re quite the opposite, well-schooled in HBD.

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    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    When they are new, they are idealistic. After some time in a vibrant school, they quickly learn about HBD.
  212. @Das
    "School choice" is an unholy alliance between liberals who want to bring back bussing, and conservatives who just want to burn public education down altogether.

    People trash K-12 education in the US, but it works about as well as you could reasonably expect given the country's demographics.

    But it works about as well as you could reasonably expect given the country’s demographics.

    I don’t think so. You should be able to expect schools that are not violent and where learning goes on. These things still exist in other countries with similar demographics (e.g. certain Caribbean islands). These things once existed in the United States. Our social decay is not ordained by our demographics. We could do so, so much better with what we have. We didn’t always have a 72% black illegitimacy rate.

    I agree that with an average 85 IQ population you are not going to be turning out a lot of rocket scientists. But it’s perfectly possible to turn out people with the ability to read and write and do math at a basic level, with an understanding of the basics of American history and civics, etc.

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    • Replies: @Yak-15
    There is a lot that can be done. But accomplishing means acknowledging a different approach for different races. Discipline seems to be of paramount importance for blacks and others but that implies the things that go against prog religion.
  213. @Lot

    My observation is that in general Negro teachers are worse teachers, by almost any measure of performance than teachers of other races.
     
    That was not my experience at all.

    I also think people worry about "teacher quality" too much in general. Of course there are better and worse ones. But teaching reading, writing, and rithmatic is a skill a lot of people have, and schools generally are able to weed out people who lack the skill.

    Another reason I think most teachers in the USA tend to be good is that schools are able to match roles to the teacher. The sweet natured one who can't handle a room full of brats will do home ec or art and get a smaller classroom of mostly girls. The less intelligent but highly patient one will teach remedial reading.

    The best teacher that both of my kids had in their elementary years was an older black (OK, mulatto) woman. I think for her generation, for a black woman, school teaching was at the high end of career expectations and drew some of the most talented blacks (IIRC the women in Hidden Figures had mostly been school teachers).

    And part of what was going on is that this teacher was very senior and I think the principal basically gave her first dibs on putting a class together. Even though elementary school is not supposed to be tracked (and this was a suburban school in a Belmont type place where most of the kids were bright to begin with) the kids in her class were just too bright to have been a randomly selected group. She didn’t allow “creative spelling” or any other kind of modern nonsense and demanded correct grammar, etc. The writing skills that they learned that year will last a lifetime.

    But elementary school teaching is no longer a prestigious career among women, black or white and so I think the quality has gone down.

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    • Replies: @Alice
    Yes it has. The women going into elementary education are women who just want to have babies and be home with them. But they aren't allowed to just want that, so they go to college and become day care workers and teachers for other people's children.

    And they know nothing, because we are now on generation 2 of teachers taught by people who know nothing. And most aren't smart enough to know as much as the kids need to be taught.

    They don't know grammar. They don't know any history. They don't know any arithmetic. (I met a young teacher with a bachelor's. She taught her second graders that 111 was the smallest three digit number. I have dozens more stories like that. ) And they don't know anything practical about children, either, because they never grew up caring for any when they were teenagers or children themselves.
  214. @Halvorson
    I don't think she's from around here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLwDm1-cyDE


    She arrived in Minnesota from Chile at age 24, speaking no English. She went on to earn bachelor’s, master’s and education specialist’s degrees and rose from classroom teacher to her current post, in which she is responsible for teaching and learning in the district and about $450 million of the annual budget.
     

    Tyrone Terrill, president of the African-American Leadership Council, said he was disappointed by Silva’s selection. The council was a major supporter of Carstarphen and had hoped to see her work continue, Terrill said.

    He said Silva is “unknown” to the city’s communities of color, and he called her selection “a tremendous setback” for African-American students and all students of color.
     

    Tyrone Terrill is a very wise man.

    http://www.twincities.com/2009/11/22/st-paul-school-board-names-valeria-silva-as-new-superintendent/

    She looks like she has some British ancestry in her, as a lot of Chileans do. That’s the whitest country in South American.

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    • Replies: @anon
    I highly doubt it. Keep in mind that for Latin Americans if they look white they call themselves white. A Chilean I am very familiar with looks Irish--red hair, very white skin, but his 23andme showed a higher Amerindian DNA than Eva Longoria's, plus 5% sub-Saharan African. As far as the most European countries in South America, Argentina and Uruguay have Chile beat there as well, although immigration from bordering countries are diluting them as well, with the same results as we see here in the US.
  215. @Jack D
    Teacher assault is an everyday occurrence in Phila. I personally know 2 teachers who have been assaulted. At one school there were 3 assaults in 1 month despite the fact that 10 police officers are assigned to the school.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20141108_Another_teacher_assaulted_at_Bartram_High.html

    The students like to take pictures of the teacher lying knocked out cold and post them on the internet.

    The student usually gets suspended but the criminal justice system does nothing - unless you shoot or stab someone, they are not interested in prosecution because the jails are already full of more serious offenders.

    The student usually gets suspended but the criminal justice system does nothing – unless you shoot or stab someone, they are not interested in prosecution because the jails are already full of more serious offenders.

    Doesn’t that vary by jurisdiction? I expect there are fewer problems with overstuffed prison cells in Iowa.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Probably but there's still the root problem of juveniles being treated more leniently when it should be the other way round.

    The rep they build up as juveniles is what helps lead to the collection of baby mommas in their late teens and early 20s before they go to prison.

    Much better if they were removed from the mating game when young then over generations the problem would reduce.

    (This is what white/asian populations did to themselves in the past to create the modern population.)

    (nb the white discipline rate from the article is 5x the asian rate - civilization is a process and white people aren't in front - although that may be partly a good thing)
  216. @Luke Lea
    Web cams in all public school classrooms is the first step. Gotta document, gotta document, gotta document. The next step is who gets to see what's really happening. Parents, law enforcement, teacher defense lawyers, the public?.

    Great, a world where everywhere becomes World Star Hiphop.

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  217. @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    The deepest source of the racial-equity discipline gap is profound differences in family structure.

    I'm waiting for the day that it's conclusively shown to be something like MAOA-2R. A strange day indeed.

    Of course that day will have nothing on the day when [Chinese] scientists announce that they can ballpark a fetus' future SAT score within 30 points from Amniocentesis, 18 years before the exam.

    Of course that day will have nothing on the day when [Chinese] scientists announce that they can ballpark a fetus’ future SAT score within 30 points from Amniocentesis, 18 years before the exam.

    18 years after that will be the day when the average Chinese SAT score hits 1500 (on the 1600 point scale) because no Chinese mother will want to bear a child with less than a ballpark 1500+. The procedure will be illegal in America as an affront to distributive justice (but all the Chinese mothers in America will do it anyway).

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  218. @Das
    I talk to a lot of unionized teachers in urban school districts, and they're mostly concerned about protecting their pay and benefits, not getting stabbed, and not getting blamed for the achievement gap.

    If it were possible to put, say, Steve Sailer, in charge of American education, that would be great. But in reality there are only three groups in the entire country that are mobilized around education policy.

    If teacher's unions aren't setting policy, policy is going to be set by liberal education scamsters like Michelle Rhee or libertarian ideologues like Betsy DeVos.

    Then they need leadership that isn’t going to stand out in front of the media and talk about “sanctuary schools”.

    We can invent notional “man on the street” that (surprise!) always seems to agree with the point we are trying to make but I’m going to trust my lying eyes.

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  219. @MarkinLA
    Of course none of the solutions mentioned will not work. EVERYBODY with half a functioning neuron in their brain knows what is going on. However, there is nothing you can do politically. The Democrats have their BS and the Republicans theirs. When the Dems get in the answer is more money for schools when the Repubs get in, it is school choice. They all know (and probably secretly admit) that these students are just plain stupid as well as lazy.

    The only thing that will work is involuntary military academies for all the trash - black, white, brown, and yellow. Try getting that through Congress and signed by the President.

    The idea that military schools is the answer to bad student behavior strikes me as naïve. I went to Catholic military high school (St Johns in Washington D.C.). The reason my parents were willing to pay tuition was not my comportment but the supposedly better academics available in a Catholic school.

    I revolted when I was a junior and thereafter went to the local public high school (Washington-Lee in Arlington, Va.). But much to my amazement student behavior was much less riotous and out-of-control than it ever had been in military school. Part of the reason was simply that boys didn’t want to misbehave in the presence of girls.

    In military school I was forced to cheat. In history class every boy in class would simply open the text and put it in their lap when there was a test. Since most of the history tests were about the simple recall of dates, cheaters had a huge advantage. In spite of the fact that we said a rosary every day virtually every student cheated on every test.

    The Brothers hit the students frequently. But even corporal punishment couldn’t make all those male teenagers behave. I never saw a single student in my public high school cheat.

    The answer is simple. If a student can’t behave or even maintain a ‘C’ average – just put them in prison. The white kids won’t find it hard to abide by the new rules – there will be few prison sentences. If the black students can’t adapt they were probably destined for the Big House anyway.

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    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Jesuit schools are usually the best bet for a high-quality Catholic education. (I learned that from Tom Clancy. He went to a Jesuit college.)

    I will match your anecdote with one from the book The Other Wes Moore. When one of the Wes Moores was kicked out of New York City's elite Riverdale Country School, his Jamaican-born mother sent him to Valley Forge Military Academy & College where he thrived and eventually earned a 2-year associates degree. He transferred to John Hopkins University where he played football and became Phi Beta Kappa. He then went to Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. He also served in the Army, earning the rank of captain.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/wes-moore-734a3612

  220. @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    The deepest source of the racial-equity discipline gap is profound differences in family structure.

    I'm waiting for the day that it's conclusively shown to be something like MAOA-2R. A strange day indeed.

    Of course that day will have nothing on the day when [Chinese] scientists announce that they can ballpark a fetus' future SAT score within 30 points from Amniocentesis, 18 years before the exam.

    I noted here before that the Chinese will be able to give their kids blond hair and blue eyes long before they can make them smart via genetic manipulation. IQ involves 100s of genes with very small effects. A lot of physical features involve just 1 or under 10 genes.

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  221. @Alice
    Funny, St Paul and others in MN are complaining that because there aren't enough whites left on their system, it's racist. They want busing to force reintegration. Because not enough whites to go around. See blacks only improve when they are seated next to the right number of whites.

    Magic Schools.

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  222. @Jack D
    I think it depends on how you do the math. Wikipedia says that the Buffalo budget is $800 million for 34,000 students and Boston is $1.2 billion for 54,000 students, which comes out to about the same on a per pupil basis.

    Something is seriously wrong with these budgets. If you figure $20,000 plus per student then there is $400,000 going into a 20 student elementary classroom (when I was growing up they would put 30 in a class). If you figure $50,000 for teacher pay, a generous $50,000 for rent and utilities on the classroom and another, generous $50,000 for administrative overhead, that's only $150K and there's still $250K unaccounted for. Something is rotten in Denmark. Where is all this money going?

    And the $20k per student does not include capital spending which is bonded. Here in the Peoples Republic, the replacement for a usable 30 year old HS was estimated at $50m but by the time they got through gold-plating it the cost (surprise!) was $100m+!

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  223. @Jack D
    I think it depends on how you do the math. Wikipedia says that the Buffalo budget is $800 million for 34,000 students and Boston is $1.2 billion for 54,000 students, which comes out to about the same on a per pupil basis.

    Something is seriously wrong with these budgets. If you figure $20,000 plus per student then there is $400,000 going into a 20 student elementary classroom (when I was growing up they would put 30 in a class). If you figure $50,000 for teacher pay, a generous $50,000 for rent and utilities on the classroom and another, generous $50,000 for administrative overhead, that's only $150K and there's still $250K unaccounted for. Something is rotten in Denmark. Where is all this money going?

    you need to multiply a few variables by 2 or 3. Prevailing wage laws make the facilities outrageously expensive. The benefits for the teacher are just as much as the salary. Don’t forget the worker’s comp expense! Do schools pay for liability insurance? Don’t know. Special needs students can soak a lot of money too.

    BTW, this is not to say that teachers are overpaid. Some may be, but for most, for what they have to deal with, they’re likely underpaid. I’ve seen classrooms where you’d have to pay me at least 500k to tolerate that crap day in and day out.

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  224. @Formerly CARealist
    Why? Why force them to endure an education that will not help them in any way? Let them go out and get jobs. Let them see what kind of work is available to someone with an 8th grade education. The smarter ones will figure out how to behave and get more education (or even just a diploma) and the slower ones will be stuck in the work that they were going to be qualified for anyway.

    The problem is this idea that a high school diploma is for everyone. it's not. No more than a college education is for everyone.

    Obama during a SOTU address proposed raising the minimum age to drop out to 18. This would have made the situation even more dire.

    One of the best improvements a couple of DC public schools made was quite simple. They separated 1st time 9th graders from repeat 9th graders. The school’s where this was done saw behavioral & class disruptions plummet. What was happening in the past is that the younger 9th graders would show out for the older students who already had one foot out the door.

    They should let kids drop out after 8th grade. They can always come back during adulthood.

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    Why not an Associate High School degree for those who complete 10th grade? It would give the bottom ranks something plausible to strive for.
  225. @PiltdownMan
    OT:

    ‘We are all Americans,’ says Corona ad, meaning not just folks in those 50 states


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/07/we-are-all-americans-says-corona-ad-meaning-not-just-that-country-with-50-states/?utm_term=.6874b4ea1e86

    In a statement about the campaign, Corona said: “This campaign is very different from our other applications of the brand. Everyone is familiar with the iconic Corona campaigns but this time we want to pass a clear message to all Mexicans, to break their mental frontiers and keep progressing. We hope the message we’re sharing resonates not only with generations of Mexicans but with people around the world...”

     

    Not even pretending anymore.

    The other day I saw the ACLU share an article about their involvement in blocking the seven-nation travel moratorium (I believe the politically correct term for it is “Muslim ban”) by tagging it with “We are honored to work for you to protect the rights of everyone in America” — meaning, of course, the rights of those not yet in America: https://www.facebook.com/aclu.nationwide/posts/10154128061511813

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  226. @IAmCorn
    I can't speak with much experience on this, went to a rural school with an all white faculty and nearly all white student body, but as far as the discussion about black teachers go, I was thinking.

    Maybe the schools don't need black teachers named Tameka (female) but what about black men. What if some city or state started an effort to recruit black ex-NCOs or athletes as teachers?

    I don't think most inner city youth need pious white or Asian ladies teaching them.....a gruff black man who'd show them who's top dog would probably be better.

    The nature of the black IQ distribution makes it difficult to get the requisite number of teachers. The problem is similar to that of finding black police officers. Prospective black teachers fail state certification exams at such a high rate many states allow test takers to take the test multiple times. I believe NY state was sued over their exam as having a disparate impact.

    The few blacks that can pass it tend to go into more lucrative professions. Also black teachers are among those that leave when schools get too black.

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  227. @ATate
    Good catch! Although I doubt Tiny Duck is the same person who made the comment in City Journal. We all know he's a troll/pet/mild amusement to have around. Sometimes we want to believe he's using his own words, but now we know instead of a very good troll, we just have a copy pasta troll.

    Disappointing.

    Tate, Yes, that’s it. Tiny Duck is our beloved pet. Are his shots up to date? Is he licensed? Shall we have him neutered? And may I have your recipe for “Pasta Troll”?

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  228. @Yak-15
    They should raise welfare by 50 pct for those choosing to become sterilized and who have no children.

    Yak-15, If they have no children and no real disabilities, then they should not be on welfare. Welfare, like unemployment benefits, should be a bridge, not a way of life.

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  229. @Langley
    My post demanded too much.

    My point was not that one tyrant is better than another. It is that all tyrants see people as objects they own (i.e., soldiers and school children).

    Recall that Cuba demanded that the USA return Elian Gonzalez because he was the property of the government of Cuba.

    Citing the Dred Scott decision, Bill Clinton seized and returned Elian to Castro.

    http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/2013/03/elian-gonzalez.jpg

    (ok - I made some of that last part up)

    Recall that Cuba demanded that the USA return Elian Gonzalez because he was the property of the government of Cuba.

    Not true. He was sent back to his dad. His closest living relative was his dad who was in Cuba. His mom died during the crossing. Sending him back to his dad was the right thing to do.

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  230. @kihowi
    I was sort of waiting for this to happen. Chaos destroys intelligent white children, but doesn't really affect blacks. You can expect this kind of stuff to be pushed by journalists over the next eight years. Right now (((someone))) is busy thinking up right-sounding catch phrases to make it appeal to angry housewives.

    Maybe something like "give education room to breathe" or "diversity in learning styles" or "the beauty of authentic enthusiasm" or "letting out the African American genius" or "fighting racially enforced underachieving".

    Hey, I could have been good at this if I didn't have a sense of decency.

    “Chaos destroys intelligent whites”.

    No. I’d say hedonism and ease destroy intelligent whites. Intelligent whites overcome chaos and force order onto it.

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  231. @Jack D

    But it works about as well as you could reasonably expect given the country’s demographics.
     
    I don't think so. You should be able to expect schools that are not violent and where learning goes on. These things still exist in other countries with similar demographics (e.g. certain Caribbean islands). These things once existed in the United States. Our social decay is not ordained by our demographics. We could do so, so much better with what we have. We didn't always have a 72% black illegitimacy rate.

    I agree that with an average 85 IQ population you are not going to be turning out a lot of rocket scientists. But it's perfectly possible to turn out people with the ability to read and write and do math at a basic level, with an understanding of the basics of American history and civics, etc.

    There is a lot that can be done. But accomplishing means acknowledging a different approach for different races. Discipline seems to be of paramount importance for blacks and others but that implies the things that go against prog religion.

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  232. @jtgw
    There's still the question of the necessity of public education. Does a kid with an IQ of 80 gain anything in education after, say, the eighth grade? It seems like a massive waste of resources to me and I'm sure the kid would get more value, and contribute more to society, by skipping high school altogether and finding some kind of job, however menial.

    I don’t know, we don’t even agree on what constitutes education. Whatever the kid is getting, between myself and those who set Edjakashun policy there is a gap (a gap, not the Gap) as wide as the Pacific Ocean as to what we oughtta be doing with kids’ minds. If they can see any value at all in having literal retards in the same classrooms as geniuses, they can find uses for keeping control of stupid to middling intellects for as long as possible.

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  233. @res
    If you need another reason, check out my earlier comment:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-zeroth-amendment/#comment-1749648
    Survey showing Corona drinking percentage for each party:
    Corona 15/6/3 D/R/I
    You wouldn't want to confuse anyone ; )

    res, I was being poisoned!

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  234. @Ivy
    Does that include snow removal and any costs for extra weather days? Readers such as myself who haven't been to your fair city may only know of it through the news, enjoying wings, watching the Bills and listening to Jimmy Buffett songs. One of my employees grew up in suburban Buffalo and talked about how houses could be purchased during one downturn for a few thousand. Not sure if he was pulling my leg or not.

    Ivy, your one leg may be a little longer than the other, but there are comparative housing bargains around Buffalo. A 6400 sq ft custom built home on 6.5 acres on a private cul de sac around the corner from me sold for $790K which was less than the $990K building price, but $28K in property taxes. Yikes! WNY is poorly perceived but a nice place to live. We have less snow than you would imagine, but our occasional major snow storms are, well, major. There are a number of notable athletes who played here and returned to live after their careers ended elsewhere. Scotty Bowman stayed here and his son the Blackhawks GM, has a place on Lake Erie. There is no better place for freshwater fishing than WNY, with Lakes Erie and Ontario and the mighty Niagara. Probably more farmland than you imagine and some cultural gems, like the world renowned Albright-Know Art Gallery. The Elmwood Village area of Buffalo is rated as one of the best neighborhoods in the US of A. Reasonable restaurant prices and entertainment too.

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  235. @Ed
    Obama during a SOTU address proposed raising the minimum age to drop out to 18. This would have made the situation even more dire.

    One of the best improvements a couple of DC public schools made was quite simple. They separated 1st time 9th graders from repeat 9th graders. The school's where this was done saw behavioral & class disruptions plummet. What was happening in the past is that the younger 9th graders would show out for the older students who already had one foot out the door.

    They should let kids drop out after 8th grade. They can always come back during adulthood.

    Why not an Associate High School degree for those who complete 10th grade? It would give the bottom ranks something plausible to strive for.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    I taught at charter school for kids who didn't "fit" in the other public schools of the city. The classrooms were mostly a disaster, but we had a thriving program for older teens to come back and get their GEDs online. Almost exclusively the same kids who were dysfunctional earlier in a classroom setting.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    Why not an Associate High School degree for those who complete 10th grade? It would give the bottom ranks something plausible to strive for.

     

    The UK-based O Level/A Level system is something like this. Students take a battery of O level exams after the equivalent of the junior year of high school. Those who want to quit leave with at least something to their name, i.e. whatever O Level exams they've passed. Those who wish to pursue tertiary education then do two years of preparation for A Levels, which are already specialized, i.e. students generally take only three or four chosen subjects.

    I agree that it would be better to get non-academically-oriented students out of high school even a year or two earlier than the O Level if they wished, i.e. for sure by 16.

    Hong Kong used to follow the UK system, but recently switched to one that's organized more like the US one, with all students now required to stay through the equivalent of grade 12 to get any qualification. It's a pity.

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    @johnnt
    Bruh, Locke has this thought experiment where you take the soul of a prince and transfer it into the body of a commoner. Then the commoner becomes the prince, according to Locke. The soul is the sum total of impressions, produced by experiences. Locke's vision does not assume HBD differences between a commoner or king. One may disagree with Locke, but Lockean empiricism is pretty radical stuff!

    and yet after Locke belief in heredity continued

    it was only after Boas and the cultural marxists took over academia and *enforced* belief in non-heredity that these problems started

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  237. @Jack D
    I think it depends on how you do the math. Wikipedia says that the Buffalo budget is $800 million for 34,000 students and Boston is $1.2 billion for 54,000 students, which comes out to about the same on a per pupil basis.

    Something is seriously wrong with these budgets. If you figure $20,000 plus per student then there is $400,000 going into a 20 student elementary classroom (when I was growing up they would put 30 in a class). If you figure $50,000 for teacher pay, a generous $50,000 for rent and utilities on the classroom and another, generous $50,000 for administrative overhead, that's only $150K and there's still $250K unaccounted for. Something is rotten in Denmark. Where is all this money going?

    Jack D, The Buffalo News lists the BPS budget at $948 million and an additional $140 million in grant money. Teachers salaries are a little light of the surrounding suburbs but the benefits are good. They just gave up ELECTIVE PLASTIC SURGEY in their latest contract. An article a few years back listed Buffalo and Rochester as two school districts with the highest per student expenditure in the nation. I will do some more research and be back to you. The school district I live in educates for half of Buffalo’s rate. Layers and layers of administrative costs, high price principals and their multiple assistants add up quickly and every teacher has an aide, as does every bus driver.

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