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The police shooting of Michael Brown initially renewed calls for increased use of videocameras to record evidence of abuse, a reform I’ve long supported.
However, the Friday release of security footage of Michael Brown stealing and physically bullying an immigrant shop clerk minutes before his fatal police confrontation has led to demands from respected black leaders, the Democratic governor of Missouri, and President Obama’s Department of Justice for heightened protection of the Public’s Right Not to Know.
From CBS New York:
Sharpton In Ferguson, Mo.: Release Of Michael Brown ‘Robbery’ Video ‘Insulting
FERGUSON, Mo. (CBSNewYork/AP) — Addressing a congregation in Ferguson on Sunday, the Rev. Al Sharpton blasted the release by police of a video purportedly showing Michael Brown robbing a store shortly before the unarmed man was shot and killed by a police officer. …
Police released surveillance video they say showed Brown shoving a clerk before he left the store with a $50 box of cigars.
“I have never in all my years seen something as offensive and insulting as a police chief releasing a tape of a young man trying to smear him before we even have his funeral or his burial,” Sharpton said.
“First of all, if this is the young man, y’all quit trying to exaggerate,” the Harlem civil rights activist said. “That was shoplifting, not robbery. … Robbery, you break in, stick something up. Shoplifting, you take some cigars. It’s wrong if he did it, but call it what it is.”
Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon [D-MO] said Sunday the video produced a negative reaction. He said his office did not know the video was going to be released.
“I think it had an incendiary effect,” Nixon said in an interview on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “When you release pictures and you clearly are attempting to besmirch a victim of a shooting, shot down in his own street, a young man, and at the same time you’re releasing information … to tarnish him, then properly, there was a lot of folks that were concerned about that, and I do think it flamed it back up and has caused us to have to deal with some of that.”
It’s a simple concept: any found footage that undermines the Democratic-Media Narrative Complex storyline of the moment should never see the light of day. The public deserves to be protected from any Doubts.
You see, if it’s President Nixon demanding a cover-up, that’s the biggest crime of the age. If it’s Governor Nixon demanding a cover-up, well, that’s statesmanship.
And from Yahoo News:
Sharpton Strikes Defiant Tone In Speech To Huge Crowd About Michael Brown Shooting
… Sharpton was definitely the orator the huge crowd came to see, and he did not disappoint.
He began a short, powerful, applause-line-filled speech by declaring that the shooting of Brown represents a pivotal moment in what he views as a much larger fight for the rights of people around the world against the repressive forces of government.
“We…have…had…enough!” Sharpton pronounced, adding that people who agree with him could make a difference at the ballot box.
“Nobody can go to the White House until they stop by our house!”
The famous activist demanded to know why police had released a videotape of Brown shoplifting from a now-looted and burned-out convenience store. Sharpton said that he does not condone shoplifting, but he also doesn’t believe the tape has anything to do with the subsequent shooting of Brown by police officer Darren Wilson.
Sharpton was of course the main inspiration for the Rev. Bacon character in Tom Wolfe’s 1987 book The Bonfire of the Vanities, which remains the single most relevant explanation of racial politics in America in 2014.
Let me sum up.
It would be a very good thing if police officers could always nonlethally subdue belligerent 6’4″ 292 pounders accosted during their crime sprees. In fact, it may very well be that the cop screwed up in various ways in this case and should be disciplined.
But the important issue is what has been revealed once again about how the dominant worldview spread by the national media and the White House is based not on a careful regard for facts but upon equal parts stupidity, lies, hate, and opportunism.
We are told over and over about how white racists are waging war on black babies and other improbable assertions. And repeatedly, the incidents upon which the American Establishment chose to wage metaphorical media war upon average Americans turn out to be travesties. But any resistance from skeptics is only demonized as more proof of white racism.
Personally, I refuse to be browbeaten.
By the way, I’m going to dial back the frequency of blogging for awhile as I have some sizable amounts of domestic business to attend to. As I recall, I made the same promise 13 months ago, but then the George Zimmerman verdict came down … But this time I’m really going to go easy for some number of days. I will be checking in and putting up new posts and moderating comments and the like, but not on the usual 65 hours per week schedule.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/14/Rob-Reiner-Likens-Hamas-to-the-Tea-Party
Typical. Tea Party Conservatives go out of their way to defend Israel/Likud/Netanhayu against Hamas, but Jews like Reiner compare TP with Hamas.
Some gratitude.
Rob Reiner believes in the religion of his people: SWPL. Multiculturalism, Diversity, the Magical Negro leader, all of that. He BELIEVES. Not in that outmoded Judaism thing. That's just his fashion statement. Rather, his true belief which he defends at all costs is the Colors of Benetton.
That Reiner's religion amounts to THAT is pathetic. But there you go. At least Putin's Mini Me Soviet Union semi-Empire has some dignity and history behind it. Reiner believes in an advertising campaign.
I must say, I found myself understanding the Archie Bunkers of the world. They do have some wisdom.
BTW, Hamas was not aiming its attacks on Likudniks but was aiming at everyone living in Israel - left, right, religious, secular, Jewish, Arab and anyone else who might be there.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674669
I just dug out my old copy of “Bonfire/vanities”. It’s supposed to be fiction, right?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674679
The video tape and the autopsy are blowing the narrative to pieces. So when that fails, why not try a new narrative?
The new narrative will be all about how poorly the cops responded to the protesters and are responsible for the riot. They will also focus on how many times Brown was shot and where. Since he was shot so many times and in the arm, he could have easily missed and hurt a tiny black baby! Also he shot him right in the head. Why not try to shoot him in the leg and stop him?
But that will be their last stand. They will slowly backpedal and hope for the next Great White Defendant to appear. Hopefully close to November. A year from now this will be remembered as a case where police instigated a crowd by using military hardware and a overzealous cop who was trigger happy.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674682
Electing your black President didn’t avert race riots. So what was the point, given that the fellow has proved no good at anything else? I can see that you avoided the dreadful McCain the first time, but you coulda had Romney the second time. Foolish, if you ask me.
1. Obama's connection to the black population is that he married into it. He's as black as Michael Dukakis was Jewish. He is the issue of Honolulu's haolie society with some curios added due to the particulars of his family situation. None of the man's ticks, interests, and cultural referents are reminiscent of those of someone who came out of the black urban archipellago bar his affection for basketball and nada reminds one of the non-metropolitan Deep Southern black population. When Gov. Blagojevic said "I'm blacker than Obama", he was telling the spare truth.
2. I doubt any non-fatuous person thought it would make a difference where the rubber hits the road. If you were reading the newspaper 30 years ago, you'd see a great many of the same controversies we tangle with today. Federal politics is a bloody treadmill.
Steve and others have analyzed this many times. The white working class didn't vote for either candidate, and why should they? The case against Obama is obvious. But why should they have voted for Romney, when he's Mr. Capitalist Outsourcer?
We're screwed either way. God help us.
I think you are right about Obama going crazy. He actually thinks this fiasco is going to help his party and his fortunes. In fact it will destroy his presidency (not that there's much to destroy). He's lucky that the Republican party is made up of hopeless losers and has no leadership. Maybe we all are. I don't want to see the US taken over by a competent demagogue. Maybe it's best that the US just falls apart.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674721
World War TT ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28758900
“Tattoos are more than simply a lifestyle choice, he argues – they are an expression of someone’s identity just as much as their religion or other beliefs.”
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674729
[…] Source: Steve Sailer […]
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674735
According to Tom Wolfe in the introduction to Bonfire of the Vanities, his Rev. Bacon character preceded the rise of Al Sharpton to public prominence with the Tawana Bradley case.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674744
Governor Nixon has mouse balls.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674796
Lots of news headlines emphasize how autopsy shows Brown was shot 6 times when the main issue is whether he was shot in the back or not–like Brown’s lying friend said.
Such headlines make the cop seem guilty(of overkill) while making Brown seem like a helpless victim.
Bubba Joe
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674801
I think it’s a mistake, as some are doing on the right, to justify Brown’s killing. He was obviously no angel, and the media narrative is silly, but he doesn’t deserve to be dead. The militarisation of the US police really needs to be dialled back. If it keeps going in the same direction we will end up with a small elite, and the rest under Gaza-like conditions. And don’t think you won’t be on the Gaza side of the fence.
If he assaulted a police officer and grabbed for his gun, as he may very well have done, he would indeed "deserve" to be dead, as he would had he drawn a gun of his own on the officer.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674809
What would the libertarians explanation and then solution to the events in Ferguson be? I would like to hear it for entertainment value. A good ol’ monday morning laugh. They seem awfully quite on this issue.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674814
The white protestor shot in Ferguson seems to have vanished down the memory hole. Not a single report on him for many hours now, its apparently of no interest to the media at all!
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674828
“’I have never in all my years seen something as offensive and insulting as a police chief releasing a tape of a young man trying to smear him before we even have his funeral or his burial,’ Sharpton said.”
Isn’t he aware of how a guy named Steve Pagones was smeared (and Pagones never even stole a box of cigars). I seem to recall that Sharpton had some connection to the smear.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674829
Incorrect. If he tries beating up a cop and then runs at the cop after being ordered to freeze, and the cop is armed and he weighs (likely) 100 lbs more than the cop, he very much deserves to be dead.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674841
@KevinJD – Brown’s death had zero to do with “militarisation of US police”. He got killed by a beat cop with a semi-automatic pistol. Could have happened in 1980 or 1950 or whenever you think the pre-militarization Golden Age of Policing ended.
The way people are attributing this to “police militarization” you would think this guy got killed in a no-knock SWAT raid or run over by a tank or something.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674845
I think it’s a mistake, as some are doing on the right, to justify Brown’s killing. He was obviously no angel, and the media narrative is silly, but he doesn’t deserve to be dead. The militarisation of the US police really needs to be dialled back. If it keeps going in the same direction we will end up with a small elite, and the rest under Gaza-like conditions. And don’t think you won’t be on the Gaza side of the fence.
I agree that I don’t like the militarization of the police. I’d rather have more Sheriff Taylors than guys who think they should have gone to Ranger school.
But I think you have to separate this event into its components. The first event of the cop killing Brown is probably not a result of the militarization of the cops if the story and evidence continues to unfold in the manner they have.
The second part, the police response to the protests using armored vehicles and such, does reflect on the militarization of the police. Similar to the Boston police sweep a year ago, I do not support this.
The currently popular in-between method of dealing with riots is bizarre. The police play this rather kinky game of dress-up, and then there are mock fights between cops and rioters. And it goes on for days and days and days. It's blatantly unserious, childish even.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674847
OT: Steve, I don’t know if you’ve seen this:
Exclusive: White House meets with big biz on immigration
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/white-house-immigration-110092.html
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674849
This sort of thinking coming from a governor is surprising. One would expect more from a person in a responsible position like that. Saying it was wrong to “tarnish” that thug is ridiculous since the person pretty much tarnished his own reputation by posting pics of himself on social media flashing gang signs. From the point of view of people outside of the criminal subculture, that is.
Some are talking about the militarization of the police. But the cop involved wasn’t riding a troop carrier or using an assault rifle; he was using a standard police pistol and driving a police car. It’s this governor who is now militarizing the situation by calling in the National Guard.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674852
He was obviously no angel, and the media narrative is silly, but he doesn’t deserve to be dead. The militarisation of the US police really needs to be dialled back
He was shot with a pistol by a municipal police officer traveling in a squad car, not by a SWAT team. Whatever he ‘deserves’, the situation may in fact have merited deadly force. We’ve just learned from the autopsy report that some of the eyewitness statements bandied about were horse piss, so I’d wait a while before making an evaluation of whether or not the officer in question was culpable.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674861
“’I have never in all my years seen something as offensive and insulting as a police chief releasing a tape of a young man trying to smear him before we even have his funeral or his burial,’ Sharpton said.”
How does he know the police chief did it? Maybe Tawana Brawley done it.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674873
Anyone who remembered the Dinkins mayoralty in New York City could have predicted that.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674874
Electing your black President didn’t avert race riots.
1. Obama’s connection to the black population is that he married into it. He’s as black as Michael Dukakis was Jewish. He is the issue of Honolulu’s haolie society with some curios added due to the particulars of his family situation. None of the man’s ticks, interests, and cultural referents are reminiscent of those of someone who came out of the black urban archipellago bar his affection for basketball and nada reminds one of the non-metropolitan Deep Southern black population. When Gov. Blagojevic said “I’m blacker than Obama”, he was telling the spare truth.
2. I doubt any non-fatuous person thought it would make a difference where the rubber hits the road. If you were reading the newspaper 30 years ago, you’d see a great many of the same controversies we tangle with today. Federal politics is a bloody treadmill.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674883
Nixon doesn’t seem to be the brightest star in the sky. He’s rescinded the curfew since the National Guard will be out. It doesn’t make any sense to lift the curfew until the nights quiet down.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674884
Sharpton Moral Logic.
When Tawana Brawley told the lie about White Cops, that was the greatest thing since sliced watermelon.
When a white cop told the truth about a black thug, that was the worst thing that ever happened.
Black pathology in a nutshell. Favoring lies over the truth.
Sadly, it’s part of the Narrative of our own WMD, the media that are the weapons of mass deception.
Another reactor/reporter meltdown.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674892
I agree. He was unarmed, and a cop shot him 6 times. Twice in the head. All the people cheerleading the cop don’t realize they could be next. Compared to most other developed countries, the US is close to becoming a police state. I have no time for blunt-smoking idiots like Brown, but that doesn’t mean the police should be executioners. Ironically, the decline of the police could be attributed to race-inspired lower-entry standards.
Only for drooling Idiocracy-style morons who has seen too many movies with The Rock.
You're a hysteric. There are about 260 justifiable homicides in this country in an average year. That's about one a year in a metropolitan area of ordinary size (e.g. Louisville). Not all the triggermen are cops either. It ought be noted we have a large inventory of violent criminals in this country.
The initial claim that Michael Brown was shot in the back has been proven false. I won't believe a word that comes out of Crump's mouth, given how much he lied during the Trayvon Martin case, but it is possible that the officer is at fault.
But if a 300 lbs man is rushing you, how is it unreasonable to open fire?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674899
I agree that I don't like the militarization of the police. I'd rather have more Sheriff Taylors than guys who think they should have gone to Ranger school.
But I think you have to separate this event into its components. The first event of the cop killing Brown is probably not a result of the militarization of the cops if the story and evidence continues to unfold in the manner they have.
The second part, the police response to the protests using armored vehicles and such, does reflect on the militarization of the police. Similar to the Boston police sweep a year ago, I do not support this.
This is sort of right. The traditional methods to deal with Ferguson style rioting are either 1) have the police make a big perimeter around the riots and let the locals burn their own neighborhood down, or 2) hose down the streets with hot lead.
The currently popular in-between method of dealing with riots is bizarre. The police play this rather kinky game of dress-up, and then there are mock fights between cops and rioters. And it goes on for days and days and days. It’s blatantly unserious, childish even.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674902
Why do so many people in The Unz have the word pizza in their username ?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674903
“I agree. He was unarmed, and a cop shot him 6 times. Twice in the head. All the people cheerleading the cop don’t realize they could be next.”
It sounds excessive but pistols are not accurate, so the thing is to unload a bunch of rounds so that some will hit. Also, most of the hits were non-lethal. The cop would have preferred if Brown had just dropped to the ground instead of keep charging him.
Also, if you sense the other guy is out to get you, you have to shoot to kill, because if Brown had closed the distance between himself and the cop, he(a huge guy) would not only have walloped the cop but taken his gun and used it against his partner.
It’s like a wounded beast is more dangerous and more full of rage. So, if it’s coming at you and you know it won’t stop, you have to shoot to kill.
Also, at a tense moment like that where you know it’s a matter of ‘live or die’, you are not counting bullets. You’re thinking “gotta get him down” and you’ll just fire away.
And no, I don’t fear about cops doing that to me because I obey the law and respect other people.
I do have concerns about militarization of the state, but this cop had nothing to do with militarization. He just found himself in a tough spot.
PS. Since the rioters stole so much beer, maybe Obama and Holder can invite them to the White House for a Beer Summit.. or Beer Party.
Looting is poor black folks’ golf. Obama the rich black guy hits a little white ball around. Poor blacks like to knock little white guys all around.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674904
If you want militarized police try gare du nord or CDG airport. Patrolling policemen in berets armed with submachine guns. Additionally, the police in America actually have to police the dangerous parts of their cities they don’t just wall them off in the banlieues. Add to that the fact that the second amendment assures a much wider prevalence of weapons than European police face and id say if anything the American police forces are adjusting for conditions for less militarized than European police.
The people acting like this is an American only phenomenon are either lying or have never left the US. In France the CRS attacked a largely peaceful anti-SSM protest on the Champs Élysées. Basically the CRS exists to rove all over France breaking up protests the second they so the slightest danger of escalating.
One gets the feeling that the Faris’s of the world aren’t exactly traveling to Europe much in the time they save not watching the Rock movies.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674908
” Compared to most other developed countries, the US is close to becoming a police state.”
Do other developed countries have 43 million Blacks and growing ? Most other developed countries are Whitopias and the ones that are not Whitopias are populated by East Asians like Japan and South Korea who on average are a million times less violent than the Black race.
You can thank the Black race for why the U.S can never have a Libertarian society. Do you know of any other developed countries in the world that have cities that are 67 percent Black like Ferguson, Missouri ?
Are neighbors to the north Canada certainly do not have any cities as Black as Ferguson, Missouri.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674911
That is not correct, certainly not at the distances involved with the cop and Brown. I have seen people with very accurate shooting from Glocks and Barettas at distances of 40-50 yards, but it involves very good trigger control. That is hard when you are pumped up on adrenalin like the cop undoubtedly was.
From the reports I have heard there were two quick shots, a pause and then a bunch more shots. This sounds like standard practice. Two quick shots to try to put the target down. Check if they worked. Nope. Then more shots are called for.
It is not clear how many bullets were recovered in total, but I have heard that only three were recovered from the body, however, there seems to be some 8 wounds in total. The ones in the arm might be through and through first going through the arm and then into the body. It is strange that only three bullets were recovered because no exit wounds were indicated.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674917
“What would the libertarians explanation and then solution to the events in Ferguson be? I would like to hear it for entertainment value. A good ol’ monday morning laugh. They seem awfully quite on this issue.”
Most Libertarians believe that if you legalize all drugs, than predominantly Black cities in America like Detroit and Ferguson will become as safe to live in as cities like Osaka and Tokyo.
Just like Liberals, most Libertarians do not believe Black crime is caused due to a combination of high testosterone and low IQ.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674918
Enough with the never-ending Pro-Asian comments! ENOUGH!!!!
GO to Asia already!
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675285
“The white protestor shot in Ferguson seems to have vanished down the memory hole. Not a single report on him for many hours now, its apparently of no interest to the media at all!”
I can not say I feel sorry for the guy. He is a delusional White liberal who got a reality dose of urban inner city diversity.
He was probably shocked to find out that most Blacks in the ghetto do not act like Morgan Freeman and Bill Cosby.
Ferguson is not the ghetto. The demographic segments amongst whom the troublesome characters are found amount to about 15% of the population therein (and not all of them are notably disagreeable). Another 8% or so make up the TANF rolls. Obnoxious school children might add another 3%. Most people living in slums cause no more trouble than mundane interpersonal friction. They could benefit from protection from their more predatory neighbors.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674919
I don’t deny black criminality, impulsiveness and low IQ. I also think there IS an attempt to cover up the fact that M. Brown was likely a thug because, yes, it doesn’t fit with the narrative. BUT …this doesn’t change the fact that the police is out of control and has been totally in the wrong here.
There should never be any excuse for a police shooting an unarmed man. If a cop or cops are unable to non-lethally subdue an unarmed man they should back down. Otherwise you’re allowing summary executions. In this case you’re saying the execution was justified because Brown was a thug and had stolen a box of cigars. That’s ridiculous. It’s similar to how cops do high speed chases or shoot after car robbers; thereby putting everyone else at risk and carrying out potentially a summary execution for robbery. This is unjustified.
Moreover the story told by the police here doesn’t carry water to anyone who’s actually dealt with the pigs first-hand. Brown’s (thug) friend’s story actually is what sounds a lot more plausible. That the cops went after them (not yet knowing about the robbery btw) to pick a fight, that Brown and his friend didn’t show enough RESPECK to their betters, and that the cop chimped out when the door ricocheted accidentally back on him and shot Brown because of that. I’ve seen cops chimp for a lot less, like questioning them or disagreeing with them. Look at how they treat the journos in that McD’s; that kind of encounter can turn ugly REALLY FAST, especially when you’re dealing with someone with a little less impulse control or who’s not in the mood to be bullied by Paul Blart mall cops. You guys are saying that whoever gets killed or maimed by one of the pigs (and a lot of victims of police brutality are white middle class) is guilty if the police manages to trump up some “evidence” that the victim was a thug or had published an article defending the gold standard or whatever.
This defense of the police is going to bite you back, as they ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE.
Not too many folks are going to pick a fight with a 6'4" 300 pounder who is acting belligerently (walking in the middle of the street, just strong-armed and robbed a store-owner). I don't see it sport.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674920
Typical. Tea Party Conservatives go out of their way to defend Israel/Likud/Netanhayu against Hamas, but Jews like Reiner compare TP with Hamas.
Some gratitude.
There is a war among Jews like other Whites. Reiner would be happy if Israel were obliterated by Hamas.
Rob Reiner believes in the religion of his people: SWPL. Multiculturalism, Diversity, the Magical Negro leader, all of that. He BELIEVES. Not in that outmoded Judaism thing. That’s just his fashion statement. Rather, his true belief which he defends at all costs is the Colors of Benetton.
That Reiner’s religion amounts to THAT is pathetic. But there you go. At least Putin’s Mini Me Soviet Union semi-Empire has some dignity and history behind it. Reiner believes in an advertising campaign.
Then, why didn't he compare the Tea Party with the Likud Party?
Why with Hamas, the arch-enemy of Israel that Reiner supports?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674929
The video tape and the autopsy are blowing the narrative to pieces. So when that fails, why not try a new narrative?
And don’t forget the background conversation from the amateur videographer’s recording, wherein one hood rat is conveying to another an account that matches Wilson’s. And an eye-witness has confirmed that the two struggled in the car, discharging his gun.
The true narrative is, once again, that the media, organized blackness, and the black street are all in cahoots to employ ghettomerta to lynch innocent whites. For all their posturing about justice, the lot of them are perfectly willing to intimidate witnesses into silence under pain of harm or death in pursuit of their racist (against whites) agenda.
After a cold look at the facts an honest man can only conclude that the mass violence and destruction is the point.
A poster in another thread made this point well, mentioning Anarcho-Tyranny; they want to flex their muscles in front of the camera. They want YT to see black mass violence and to live in fear of it. He was also correct to point out that they want YT to see the cops put down the riots, and fear the state, too. YT will probably see all that hardware and wonder if it would be used in such a non-lethal fashion against his neighborhood, were it subjected to white rioting. And he’d be right to wonder. Of course, if YT gets to the point where riots are really on the table, he’s probably going to go ahead and break bad for real, so there’s that.
Lots of news headlines emphasize how autopsy shows Brown was shot 6 times when the main issue is whether he was shot in the back or not–like Brown’s lying friend said.
They’re desperate at this point. Everyone knows 4 shots to the arm isn’t enough to stop an amped up 6’4″, 290 pounder, and the last two were to the head were what dropped him. Even if the first 4 had all been to the torso, forensics will show he took all 6 standing up and facing the cop. All of which bears out Wilson’s story, and proves many of the hood rat “witnesses” as liars.
I think it’s a mistake, as some are doing on the right, to justify Brown’s killing.
It’s looking very likely that it was justified, and that Brown does deserve to be dead. Brown assaulted a police officer, tried to take his gun (that’s tantamount to attempted murder in my mind, at least in context) in a struggle in which a round was discharged in the officer’s vehicle, then tried to assault (bull rush) the officer a second time. Then the cop shot him.
Seems perfectly justified to me.
I agree that I don’t like the militarization of the police. I’d rather have more Sheriff Taylors than guys who think they should have gone to Ranger school.
But I think you have to separate this event into its components.
Yeah, the components being that libertardians are opposed to white separatism (when white heathens (“gentiles”) do it, anyway) and segregation and thus are opposed to Sheriff Taylors. They’re the same thing, and to oppose one is to oppose the other. Similarly, libertardians demand integration and “Dieversity” and thus, they demand militarization of the police force. To demand one is to demand the other.
So, the idea that libertardians oppose the militarization of the police is total bunk. They’re either lying, or stupid, when they claim otherwise.
Exclusive: White House meets with big biz on immigration
That should warm the cockles of libertardian hearts, too.
Sharpton Moral Logic
Oh, don’t bother. He’s a piece of shit, end of story.
I agree. He was unarmed, and a cop shot him 6 times. Twice in the head. All the people cheerleading the cop don’t realize they could be next. Compared to most other developed countries, the US is close to becoming a police state. I have no time for blunt-smoking idiots like Brown, but that doesn’t mean the police should be executioners. Ironically, the decline of the police could be attributed to race-inspired lower-entry standards.
Oh, look, it’s one of the myriad sock-puppets here that belong to our two resident trolls.
Yeah, sure, any of us who assault a police officer, struggle with him for his gun (discharging a round in the police car), and then charge him like a maniac might end up shot six times, too. It’s really rather chilling, isn’t it.
FFS, do you morons know how you sound to normal people?
It’s blatantly unserious, childish even.
Well, it’s hard to keep the national negro population in the riot game (see above) when they know they’ll be shot for playing. The only way to encourage blacks to riot is to play nerf riot with them.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674932
The reason for the public’s right not to know is that knowing shows the religion is FALSE.
Since the 1920′s or so, in films, literature (read any 1930 era Nero Wolfe novel), movies, TV, music etc. America has worshiped the Magical Negro. Full of wisdom, gentle, non-violent, wise, brilliant, creating our technology and being the foundation of our society. From Morgan Freeman movies to electing Obama is but a single step.
And this religion exists because it fills a need. A need to BELIEVE in something. The universal brotherhood of man, for one, and the solid, sordid need for groups of White people to status-whore over other groups. This is a built-in religion for the modern age, part Post-Christian, part Colors of Benetton. Reinforced through constant advertising, the revulsion White women feel to beta White males (about 90% of the population of White guys) when beta provisioning is no longer needed, it is a powerful religion.
It has only one weakness. It is provably false. People might be universal brothers but they are not the same. They are neither replaceable widgets, nor changeable, nor adapted to live in modern post-Industrial societies, nor are they filled with love for each other. Man’s natural state is … ISIS. Or something close to it. Severed heads in a bucket of enemies too weak to fight back. Every day reality shows the nonsense of universalism, of utopianism, of believing different peoples from different races, cultures, and religions can live together. Every day the wisdom of our ancestors reveals itself.
BUT … being post Christian, no longer heeding that religion with its inconvenient strictures on particularly, women screwing around with Alpha males, the modern West is left with a terrifying nothing to believe in. If we don’t believe in the saintly sanctity of the average Black thug who is a nascent medical researcher one grant away from curing cancer, what do we believe in? Star Trek? Star Wars? Game of Thrones? Mad Men?
Because that is literally what is left and why we have people fighting tooth and nail to hold onto their belief because it is otherwise the abyss for their lives. Which would amount to basically nothing.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674934
I don’t deny black criminality, impulsiveness and low IQ. I also think there IS an attempt to cover up the fact that M. Brown was likely a thug because, yes, it doesn’t fit with the narrative. BUT …this doesn’t change the fact that the police is out of control and has been totally in the wrong here.
There should never be any excuse for a police shooting an unarmed man.
This is nonsense, completely wrong. If a cop lets some maniac take his gun, God knows who he’ll harm with it next. He’s already shown himself to be a violent, murderous desperado by fighting a cop for his gun.
Really, if we follow your risible “no excuse for shooting an unarmed man” rule, all cops are is a one-stop shopping center for unarmed thugs who want to become armed thugs. The guns would just be there for unarmed thugs to steal.
Bah, TL;DR. I’ll not waste any more time on your absurd trolling.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674935
He was unarmed, and a cop shot him 6 times. Twice in the head. All the people cheerleading the cop don’t realize they could be next. Compared to most other developed countries, the US is close to becoming a police state.
You’re a hysteric. There are about 260 justifiable homicides in this country in an average year. That’s about one a year in a metropolitan area of ordinary size (e.g. Louisville). Not all the triggermen are cops either. It ought be noted we have a large inventory of violent criminals in this country.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674937
Are [sic] neighbors to the north Canada certainly do not have any cities as Black as Ferguson, Missouri.
The entire nation of Canada has 35 million people, a number smaller than that of blacks in America. If black America were its own nation, it would be around the 43rd most populous nation on Earth. When it comes to winning gold at the summer olympics, this is a huge advantage. For everything else it is a huge albatross around our collective neck.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674938
“This defense of the police is going to bite you back, as they ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE.”
I am racially tribal so I don’t give a damn about the police killing an unarmed Black man, the same way the Black community does not give a damn when the police kills an unarmed White man.
Do you think Blacks would be rioting and looting in Ferguson, Missouri if Michael Brown was White and the police officer who shot and killed him was Black ?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674939
Typical. Tea Party Conservatives go out of their way to defend Israel/Likud/Netanhayu against Hamas, but Jews like Reiner compare TP with Hamas.
Some gratitude.
It really is typical. Jews don’t respect naive suckups. They respect strength and cunning.
Jews will respect us once we’re ready to deal with them roughly. Not before. They’re a lot like blacks that way.
August 18, 2014 at 8:38 pm GMTTypical. Tea Party Conservatives go out of their way to defend Israel/Likud/Netanhayu against Hamas, but Jews like Reiner compare TP with Hamas.Some gratitude.It really is typical. Jews don’t respect naive suckups. They respect strength and cunning.Jews will respect us once we’re ready to deal with them roughly. Not before. They’re a lot like blacks that way."Absolutely correct, same with the South Asians who are colonising England and to some extent Scotland. They cannot believe how we are so bloody masochistic in our behaviour towards them.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674940
the police is out of control and has been totally in the wrong here.
Did Brown charge him or not?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674943
Most Libertarians believe that if you legalize all drugs, than predominantly Black cities in America like Detroit and Ferguson will become as safe to live in as cities like Osaka and Tokyo.
Libertarians also believe that allowing the people of Detroit and Ferguson to own guns will help them on their way to becoming Osaka and Tokyo. After all, a well-armed citizenry is the best guarantee against oppressive government! Oh, and abolishing the welfare state at the same time will force them to make more responsible long term decisions too.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674944
“…this doesn’t change the fact that the police is out of control and has been totally in the wrong here.”
Where is the police out of control? Where people are out of control.
As I’m not out of control, cops have not been out-of-control with me.
Sometimes, I wish police were out of control.
Some yrs back, I went to Madison Wisconsin on Halloween because I was there in 86 to visit a friend. We went back for nostalgia sake to see what was up. Most things went smoothly all evening but when the celebrations were coming to an end and the streets and square was being closed, there was a mob of college students who huddled closely, taunted the cops, threw things at them, and were going out of their way to be provocative and jerkish. The cops, both on horses and on foot, showed remarkable restraint with these privileged white middle class brats who thought they could act like shit.
I wish the cops had just stormed them and cracked their skulls.
It’s one thing to rise up against authority to fight tyranny, but so many young punks–not just black ones but white privilege ‘radical’ anarcho and fratboy types–just love to act like they’re center of the world, as if it’s their right to make trouble just to make trouble.
I say kick their ass!
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674946
“This defense of the police is going to bite you back, as they ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE.”
I always assumed the police/state and blacks had a symbiotic relationship.
If your really into crime think, once you deduce the underlying propositions of the societal structure in the U.S., you slowly reach the conclusion that black people are the greatest thing that ever happened to the police/state.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674949
“It would be a very good thing if police officers could always nonlethally subdue belligerent 6’4″ 292 pounders accosted during their crime sprees. In fact, it may very well be that the cop screwed up in various ways in this case and should be disciplined.
But the important issue is what has been revealed once again about how the dominant worldview spread by the national media and the White House is based not on a careful regard for facts but upon equal parts stupidity, lies, hate, and opportunism.”
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Here are some facts that the media refuses to bring to the “narrative”:
There are less than a million law enforcement officers in the US, yet,
-They suffer almost 60,000 assaults every year (leading to more than 15,000 injuries.)
-On average, one American LEO is killed in the line of duty every 58 hours.
-More than 1500 have died in the last ten years. All innocent of any crime.
(from the National Law Enforcement Officers’ Memorial Fund.)
http://www.nleomf.org/facts/enforcement/
In other words, they are the most abused and endangered segment of America’s population. Yes, it’s the nature of the work, but the media possesses very little insight into what it takes for law enforcement to deal with society’s failures, most significantly, those who live in the black ghetto. It’s the cops who should be rioting.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674954
“Jews will respect us once we’re ready to deal with them roughly. Not before. They’re a lot like blacks that way.”
White men who defend the Black community are generally seen as beta males by Blacks themselves. Blacks do not generally respect White men who kiss their butts.
Macklemore for example is seen as a b itch by the Black community. Most Blacks do not really respect him, even though he kisses their butts.
Despite being a rapper, Macklemore is more popular among SWPL types who listen to hip hop than he is among Blacks who listen to hip hop.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674958
It's like a wounded beast is more dangerous and more full of rage. So, if it's coming at you and you know it won't stop, you have to shoot to kill. Also, at a tense moment like that where you know it's a matter of 'live or die', you are not counting bullets. You're thinking "gotta get him down" and you'll just fire away. And no, I don't fear about cops doing that to me because I obey the law and respect other people. I do have concerns about militarization of the state, but this cop had nothing to do with militarization. He just found himself in a tough spot.PS. Since the rioters stole so much beer, maybe Obama and Holder can invite them to the White House for a Beer Summit.. or Beer Party. Looting is poor black folks' golf. Obama the rich black guy hits a little white ball around. Poor blacks like to knock little white guys all around.
True. When you learn to shoot, they teach you to shoot at least twice because it’s more natural to shoot once and then see if you got a hit…not good in a *situation* like this.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674964
“The entire nation of Canada has 35 million people, a number smaller than that of blacks in America. If black America were its own nation, it would be around the 43rd most populous nation on Earth. When it comes to winning gold at the summer olympics, this is a huge advantage. For everything else it is a huge albatross around our collective neck.”
The Black population in the U.S is similar in size to the population of Argentina. Although I would trade 43 million African Americans for 43 million Argentines in a heart beat.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674965
It’s pretty easy to get people riled up then. 3000 dead in 9/11. Rile the people up! Result = over 6000 more dead Americans. You can bet that not many of those 6000 are the sons of the elites, but plenty were people riled up by the elites.
In Ferguson, the race-hustlers are doing their own riling. They’ll get a a boost for their career, but their audience will still be living in the ghetto. And let’s face it, there are a few race hustlers on the other side. Some even accept Bitcoin.
Agreeing that the police should be able to kill anyone they want is signing your own execution warrant. Get riled up if you want, celebrate the demise of a low IQ thug. You may as well paint a target on your own forehead.
It’s pretty easy to get people riled up then. 3000 dead in 12/7. Rile the people up! Result = over 400,000 more dead Americans. You can bet that not many of those 400,000 are the sons of the elites, but plenty were people riled up by the elites.
The whole point of a police force is to maintain order by force. Once you take that away, it will be the wolves let loose upon the sheep.
Furthermore, if the police cannot be justified in being armed with deadly force, how much less the private citizen. For that deadly force will be exercised as a matter of course, once the protections of the state are stripped away. We are far and away from the demographics of old Britain.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674966
Rob Reiner believes in the religion of his people: SWPL. Multiculturalism, Diversity, the Magical Negro leader, all of that. He BELIEVES. Not in that outmoded Judaism thing. That's just his fashion statement. Rather, his true belief which he defends at all costs is the Colors of Benetton.
That Reiner's religion amounts to THAT is pathetic. But there you go. At least Putin's Mini Me Soviet Union semi-Empire has some dignity and history behind it. Reiner believes in an advertising campaign.
Rob Reiner is still playing the Meathead character, but doesn’t know he’s playing the Meathead character. Happens to Hollywood actors all the time. They become the character they play. They never stop parroting the lines they become famous for. Too much positive feedback. No one around to slap them in the face. Autobabble and endless loop function.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674967
If Michael Brown did rush the police officer, how does the police officer get out of the conflict with both of them alive and well?
The initial claim that Michael Brown was shot in the back has been proven false. I won’t believe a word that comes out of Crump’s mouth, given how much he lied during the Trayvon Martin case, but it is possible that the officer is at fault.
But if a 300 lbs man is rushing you, how is it unreasonable to open fire?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674969
He was probably shocked to find out that most Blacks in the ghetto do not act like Morgan Freeman and Bill Cosby.
Ferguson is not the ghetto. The demographic segments amongst whom the troublesome characters are found amount to about 15% of the population therein (and not all of them are notably disagreeable). Another 8% or so make up the TANF rolls. Obnoxious school children might add another 3%. Most people living in slums cause no more trouble than mundane interpersonal friction. They could benefit from protection from their more predatory neighbors.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674970
Most abused, probably, most endangered, no. I’m not sure they even crack the top five. There are a lot of jobs more dangerous than policing.
Using straw men to get your point across = fail. Nobody’s agreed that the police should be able to kill anyone they want. That’s your straw man talking.
We’ve all agreed that anyone should be able to defend himself against a grown man who is trying to do him harm. And we celebrate having the right to do so.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674980
In Ferguson, the race-hustlers are doing their own riling. They'll get a a boost for their career, but their audience will still be living in the ghetto. And let's face it, there are a few race hustlers on the other side. Some even accept Bitcoin.
Agreeing that the police should be able to kill anyone they want is signing your own execution warrant. Get riled up if you want, celebrate the demise of a low IQ thug. You may as well paint a target on your own forehead.
If the suburg of Ferguson is a “ghetto” it’s only because blacks made it that way.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674984
A particularly egregious case of police misconduct:
http://www.presstelegram.com/general-news/20130404/long-beach-cops-liable-in-2010-shooting-death-of-douglas-zerby
The victim was white.
P.S. There are way too many unnecessary SWAT raids, too.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674986
“Most abused, probably, most endangered, no. I’m not sure they even crack the top five. There are a lot of jobs more dangerous than policing.”
Being a police officer in a predominantly Black city is definitely a very dangerous job. Although most police officers in this country are lucky that cities/towns with a racial demographic similar to Ferguson, Missouri are the exception and not the rule.
A police officer in Scottsdale, Arizona or Salt Lake City, Utah does not have it bad because people who racially look like Steve Sailer outnumber people who racially look like Michael Brown in places like that.
Being a police officer is a pretty safe job with the right desirable racial demographic.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674987
http://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2014/08/18/the-black-attack-unarmed-black-skateboarder-beats-up-spits-on-black-park-ranger/
‘Unarmed’ youth did this. But he is not called black. Only a ‘teen’ or ‘juvenile’.
PS. Media repeated over and over that Trayvon was ‘armed with only skittles’.
How come we don’t hear that Brown was ‘armed with only stolen cigars’?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674988
Stopping government from imposing an expensive and not especially competent all white police force on a poor mixed race town is a start. Back in the 19 teens exclusively black towns like Boley, OK were able to police themselves. The public schools and roads should be privatized along with the post office. Ferguson’s tax rates would fall to the point it would be desirable to live there.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674991
Rob Reiner believes in the religion of his people: SWPL. Multiculturalism, Diversity, the Magical Negro leader, all of that. He BELIEVES. Not in that outmoded Judaism thing. That's just his fashion statement. Rather, his true belief which he defends at all costs is the Colors of Benetton.
That Reiner's religion amounts to THAT is pathetic. But there you go. At least Putin's Mini Me Soviet Union semi-Empire has some dignity and history behind it. Reiner believes in an advertising campaign.
“Rob Reiner believes in the religion of his people: SWPL. Multiculturalism, Diversity, the Magical Negro leader, all of that. ”
Then, why didn’t he compare the Tea Party with the Likud Party?
Why with Hamas, the arch-enemy of Israel that Reiner supports?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674992
I think Sharpton is incorrect about the robbery. I am not a lawyer, but I think pushing the shopowner would constitute use of force to remove the property.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674993
Aren’t statistics about the dangerousness of police work kind of skewed by the fact that only a percentage of policemen are out in squad cars policing neighbors. I don’t doubt that being a homicide detective isn’t very dangerous, but what are the stats like for actual police on patrol? And danger isn’t just death either. Yes a lot of loggers die, but the stress and danger associated with logging is more of the out of the blue variety than the black tercel with tinted windows at 3 AM variety.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674994
Some gratitude.
It really is typical. Jews don't respect naive suckups. They respect strength and cunning.
Jews will respect us once we're ready to deal with them roughly. Not before. They're a lot like blacks that way.
I doubt that Rob Reiner has bothered to research many details about the Tea Party or even knows what politicians who accept the Tea Party label think about Israel. He’s a loudmouth liberal hostile to anyone he perceives holds “conservative” views on social issues like gay marriage, the environment, and feminism. Social issues animate him more than anything else.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-674999
Back in the olden days managing Blacks and Indians was about keeping them away from alcohol, gambling, prostitutes, ect. And protecting them from foreign labor competition. Fast forward to today and opening casinos next to section 8 housing (Sherman Hills wilkes barre pa) is considered economic development. Foreign aliens are selling beer and blunts to young blacks and then getting sympathy after the predictable riots. St Louis has legalized gambling. I would speculate that back in the KKK days a business selling beer and blunts to Blacks would have been burned down by angry Whites. Now I bet they get small business loans.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675000
“Agreeing that the police should be able to kill anyone they want is signing your own execution warrant. Get riled up if you want, celebrate the demise of a low IQ thug. You may as well paint a target on your own forehead.”
Why is the police state not as aggressive in Whitopias like Fargo, North Dakota and Marin County, California ?
The answer is because the vast majority of people in Whitopias act like civilized Human Beings.
You can not use Libertarian tactics when dealing with uncivilized animals a.k.a the Black underclass. Using Libertarian tactics will get a police officer killed in the hood.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675001
“If you want militarized police try gare du nord or CDG airport. Patrolling policemen in berets armed with submachine guns.”
Have you been in a major US airport the last few years? Same thing, minus the berets. That’s a good thing.
“I am racially tribal so I don’t give a damn about the police killing an unarmed Black man, the same way the Black community does not give a damn when the police kills an unarmed White man.”
So you’re not really better than them, are you? You just have (mildly, in your case) more cognitive processing capacity.
This is what atheism and agnosticism lead to–a rejection of civilization and a return to tribalistic barbarianism.
You have it all wrong. Athiesm and agnosticism go hand-in-hand with "colorblind" multicultural universalism. See: Quakers and Unitarians (and increasingly these days, mainline Protestantism). Deracinated universalism (whose adherents are 99.999% SWPL) rejects tribalism and clannishness. Sounds good in theory (if you're still in high school), but as Steve or one of his commenters said a while back, there is no prize for being the last group to retribalize. The grand Deist experiment (the United States) has proven a failure. Examples of this are so easy to find that you'd have to be willfully blind to not notice.
As far as barbarism goes, MY tribe hasn't been especially barbaric in many centuries. It's none of my concern if other tribes are, as long as they don't encroach upon my space. I'll have to mostly agree with the commenter that you quoted: I care just as much about the negro tribes as they care about mine. I'm not that concerned if you or anyone else thinks that this doesn't make us "any better" than them. This grand game that we've been forced to play isn't won by moral posturing. It's a game of survival. I plan to survive and prosper and do my damnedest to help my extended family do the same. If the negroes have a "plight" or "barriers" or suffer from "discrimination", well, none of that is my fault and none of that is my problem. As long as they don't make it my problem, they are free to despoil their areas as they see fit.
If they were a better people, I could consider them neighbors. Not family, but neighbors. As it stands, they make awful neighbors, both on a micro and macro level. As far as I am concerned, they're undeclared enemies. They are your enemies too, and you'd see that if you let yourself see it. Don't worry about retaining the moral high ground. It's meaningless. The high ground to take and hold is wealth, power, territory, and cultural integrity.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675003
“Ferguson’s tax rates would fall to the point it would be desirable to live there.”
Ferguson being 67 percent Black means it can NEVER become a desirable place to live in.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675004
It does seem that an awful lot of the truly abusive or malfeasant behavior I see coming from cops happens in areas that are heavily hispanic, often with hispanic officers involved. E.g., The New Mexico anal rapes, trigger-happy maniac cops in Los Angeles, south Florida cops, etc.
That’s a good point, though I’m sure we could zero in on sectors of the more-dangerous jobs that are more dangerous still, as well. Unarmed, late-shift convenience store clerk in a black neighborhood is no picnic, I’m sure.
Game, set, match. Rotgut loses, again.
(Thanks Pizza guy. I usually just scroll past his stupid, mendacious, creepily-tone-deaf comments anymore. So kudos for doing the dirty work.)
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675005
We should hammer this into Jewish skulls, until they scream “mercy!”:
Hamas=blacks, hispanics, American Indians, South African blacks, etc.
Israelis=white Americans, white South Africans, etc.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675008
“I think Sharpton is incorrect about the robbery. I am not a lawyer, but I think pushing the shopowner would constitute use of force to remove the property.”
An example of true shoplifting and not robbery, is when Winona Ryder was caught stealing clothes from an upscale store.
When store employees caught Winona stealing clothes, she did not physically push them and threaten to beat the living crap out of them if they did not let her go.
But than again Winona Ryder is a White woman, so her IQ is most definitely higher than that of the late Michael Brown. And of course her testosterone level is lower as well, making her less likely to have impulsive violent behavior like Michael Brown.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675010
Most Libertarians/Liberals have no problem with the fact that men on average are more violent than women and they do not see it as sexist and controversial.
But once you bring up the fact that Black men on average are more violent than Whites, than all of a sudden Liberals and Libertarians see it is racist and controversial.
So it’s okay to “stereotype” men as being more violent, but you can not “stereotype” Black men in particular as being more violent.
It’s okay to say White women on average commit less crime than White men, but it’s not okay to say White men on average commit less crime than Black men.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675016
In Ferguson, the race-hustlers are doing their own riling. They'll get a a boost for their career, but their audience will still be living in the ghetto. And let's face it, there are a few race hustlers on the other side. Some even accept Bitcoin.
Agreeing that the police should be able to kill anyone they want is signing your own execution warrant. Get riled up if you want, celebrate the demise of a low IQ thug. You may as well paint a target on your own forehead.
It’s pretty easy to get people riled up then. 3000 dead in 9/11. Rile the people up! Result = over 6000 more dead Americans. You can bet that not many of those 6000 are the sons of the elites, but plenty were people riled up by the elites.
It’s pretty easy to get people riled up then. 3000 dead in 12/7. Rile the people up! Result = over 400,000 more dead Americans. You can bet that not many of those 400,000 are the sons of the elites, but plenty were people riled up by the elites.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675019
A libertarian solution – No cops at all. All people, including store owners protect themselves, like many Koreans did in the LA riots some time back. Instead of cops, there would be crime investigators who would investigate crimes after the fact, and then arrest the suspects. The cops cannot protect anyone. That’s one big lie. There should be no cops on “the beat”.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675022
The headline of this post is classic Steve.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675024
The day that Blacks loot, riot, and stage mass protests on the streets because a White man was killed by the police, is the day hell freezes over.
For that reason alone I do not give a damn about the Michael Browns of the world because if my White butt was killed by the police, not a single Black person in this country would give a damn that I am dead.
I show the same respect to the Black community that they show to my race, which is NONE.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675025
Conservatives go out of their way to defend Israel/Likud/Netanhayu against Hamas, but Jews like Reiner compare TP with Hamas.
It’s unfortunate post-WWII Jews assimilated into a far-left liberal WASP* (or at best, Rockefeller Progressive “Republican”) identity. Their progressive WASP identity is what led many of them to support lib WASP Ned Lamont’s primary campaign against Joe Lieberman.
They’re more interested in impressing coastal gentile liberals who have basically the same opinion of Tea Partiers.
* Who were those conservative post-WWII WASPs we keep hearing about again? Howard Dean III? I’m sure the anti-semite brain trust will have no trouble identifying those legions of right wing WASPs that supposedly existed after the New Deal.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675028
Ferguson being 67 percent Black means it can NEVER become a desirable place to live in.
I guess I have it on your authority that Barbados is an undesirable place to live.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675030
Jefferson, your remarking on certain facts on the ground is not the problem with your general worldview. It’s everything else you say that marks you as a person to be avoided.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675032
Jews will respect us once we’re ready to deal with them roughly. Not before. They’re a lot like blacks that way.
Well, the Euro nationalist parties, especially the Northern Protestant ones, are pro-Israel and Jew friendly. They also have managed to win elections.
It seems odd that we’re still relying on failed antisemites like Pat Buchanan when a winning philosemite like Nigel Farage has proven Jew friendliness is much more effective.
Btw, I hope you don’t have money bet on an antisemitic movement being viable. Jews have intermarried so heavily with the white smart fraction that perhaps 20% of the white gentile population has a close partially Jewish or Jewish relative. I believe even Nazi Germany couldn’t consitently discriminate against part Jews and their fully Jewish parents. If Hitler couldn’t do that, there’s little hope for his remnant amen corner doing so.
Unless you turn part Jews against full Jews, but it’s doubtful anti-semites have nearly the skill and brilliance needed to pull that rabbit out of the hat.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675036
I have to repeat my call to deal with Ferguson using the Jewish method: bombard the black neighborhoods of Ferguson with artillery fire, killing indiscriminately.
The black terrorists are hiding among the black population, using their own people as human shields, like Hamas.
Blacks are throwing molotov cocktails and bricks, burning down businesses, looting, etc., the way the Palestinians fire rockets at Israel. Nobody dies, but it’s economic warfare, which Jews have assured us justifies the Jewish response.
Blacks are threatening everyone around them with death for opposing their agenda, the way the Palestinians threaten their own people.
Blacks are chanting death to the police, the way Palestinians chant death to Israel.
Blacks are being led by a racist, anti-Semitic death cult, the New Black Panther Party, the way the Palestinians are being led by an anti-Semitic, nihilist cult, Hamas.
So, we already know the indiscriminate artillery bombardment of the black areas in Ferguson is both mandated and justified: Jews have been telling us so for years.
Alternatively, we should do everything in our power to dial down Israel’s response to the Palestinians to a level that Jews would tolerate in our response toward the blacks in Ferguson.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675038
“A libertarian solution – No cops at all. All people, including store owners protect themselves, like many Koreans did in the LA riots some time back. Instead of cops, there would be crime investigators who would investigate crimes after the fact, and then arrest the suspects. The cops cannot protect anyone. That’s one big lie. There should be no cops on “the beat”.”
Yeah because Blacks + a Libertarian society is not a recipe for disaster at all. Look at how well Somalia is doing with their Black population + almost non existent government.
It is 100 percent fact that a Libertarian society can only work in a Whitopia or an East Asiantopia.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675041
He was obviously no angel, and the media narrative is silly, but he doesn’t deserve to be dead.
If he assaulted a police officer and grabbed for his gun, as he may very well have done, he would indeed “deserve” to be dead, as he would had he drawn a gun of his own on the officer.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675042
He was obviously no angel, and the media narrative is silly, but he doesn’t deserve to be dead.
If he assaulted a police officer and grabbed for his gun, as he may very well have done, he would indeed “deserve” to be dead, as he would had he attempted to draw a gun of his own on the officer.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675043
How many White people here at The Unz would want to live in a Libertarian society that has the same racial demographics as Ferguson, Missouri ?
Have a Libertarian society but the big catch it has to be a predominantly Black society. I wonder what the crime rate would be in a Libertarian society where Black people outnumber White people. Would the crime rate be closer to South Africa levels or closer to Sweden levels ?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675044
It would be a very good thing if police officers could always nonlethally subdue belligerent 6’4″ 292 pounders accosted during their crime sprees
It would be a better thing if the 6’4″ 292-pounders were taught, at home, and at school, that they are not above the law – and that their physical privileges comes with a certain amount of responsibility. Then the police officers would not have to deal with them.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675047
There should never be any excuse for a police shooting an unarmed man.
That’s like saying there was no excuse for Zimmerman to shoot Martin, even though Martin was on top of him and bashing his head off the pavement. Yes, there is sometimes an excuse for police to shoot an unarmed man.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675049
Undiscovered Jew there were a ton of conservative wasps post-WW2 they just didn’t live on the east coast. Taft for instance, General McArthur, most of HUAC.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675052
Only 7 percent of Black homicide victims in this country are murdered by a Nonblack. But out of that 7 percent I am willing to bet the majority of the perpetrators are Mexicans/Central Americans and not White Gringos.
In Compton and South Central Los Angeles, Nonblack on Black homicides are common, but there are very few White Gringos in Compton and South Central L.A.
I remember a scene in the Jake Gyllenhaal film “End Of Watch” where a Brotha is telling Jake and his police partner that the Vatos are committing a blood bath against Black folks out here in these streets.
The Vatos are doing the job that the KKK are no longer willing to do, lol.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675055
Really? Is that why American Jews are the Israeli Reich’s BFFs? That’s an odd sort of “Anglo-Saxon liberalism,” lol.
Voting trends:
Jewish vs. Euro-American Voting Patterns
By Their Deeds Ye Shall Know Them!
(TL;DR version: white heathens (“gentiles”) vote 50/50 for/against open borders; Jews vote 100/0 for/against open borders.)
You can go in there and dig out the Anglo-Saxons out of the whites, if you like. Let me know what you find. As an Anglo-Saxon (Episcopalian, no less) I’m interested.
Who’s more likely to equate the Tea Party with Hamas? A Jew, or a heathen (“gentile”) liberal? Who’s more likely to equate the Tea Party with Likud? A Jew, or a heathen liberal?
They’re also running in countries with very few Jews*, where Jewish power isn’t nearly as pronounced as it is here, and where “pro-Israel” isn’t something every pol adheres to, under pain of political death.
*Oddly, they have much smaller immigration/demographic problems, too. Go figure.
In Britain. Socialism has proven much more effective there, too.
Hey, don’t tell me, tell Elie Weisel.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675063
Undiscovered Jew there were a ton of conservative wasps post-WW2 they just didn’t live on the east coast.
You’re confusing generic Anglo Americans with WASPs.
WASPs are Mainline Northeastern Protestants. Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Unitarians are examples of WASP denominations. WASPs are not Southerners, Evangelicals, or other heartland Anglos.
I agree with you that were few conservative WASPs
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675064
It’s funny how Jews voting 100% for open borders is the fault of white heathens, who vote 50% in favor. Or how Jews being overwhelmingly liberal is the fault of Anglo-Saxons, who are far less liberal than Jews.
Reminds me of Sowell’s bit blaming black pathology (really bad) on Scots-Irish pathology (not nearly as bad).
What’s next? The Israeli left is responsible for Hamas? Oh wait, never mind, they’re Jews, and therefore blameless.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675065
I agree there were few WASPs (as Northeastern WASPs themselves understand the term) who were conservative after WWII.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675066
There is an app that identifies which areas are sketchy, they can add Ferguson, Missouri to that list. Ferguson won’t be making Forbes list of 100 best cities to live in The Untied States anytime soon.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675069
You know the answer. Black areas were always high crime, going well back into the nineteenth century. White government responded mostly with benign neglect, segregation localized the problems, alternating with sporadic cleanup campaigns.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675071
@steve
Your posts have lots of comments these Ferguson days. This is when you should insert your fund-raising, ways of donating to you. Fund raising should be on a schedule that takes site traffic and number of comments into account. I see you have done this.
“It’s about gettin’ paid” — black slang
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675072
So, since there haven’t been conservative WASPs (We’re talking Yankees off the Mayflower here, not Texas oil worker) since Coolidge’s presidency, could someone explain how there was any conflict between the WASP or Jewish elite post-WWII if both were liberal? The former were the political patrons of Jewish and ethnic Catholic immigrants during the New Deal and into the 60s.
When was the last time Krugman condemned a liberal WASPs like Souter or FDR?
http://racehist.blogspot.com/2009/08/paul-gottfried-hates-wasp-people.html
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675073
Most Libertarians believe that if you legalize all drugs, than predominantly Black cities in America like Detroit and Ferguson will become as safe to live in as cities like Osaka and Tokyo. Just like Liberals, most Libertarians do not believe Black crime is caused due to a combination of high testosterone and low IQ.
How do drugs fit into all this?
You mentioned only high testosterone and low IQ.
Quite frankly, I would prefer potential violent criminals to be zonked out on tranquilizers, and not bother anyone. Stimulants and (legal) alcohol are another story.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675076
[…] has been routinely tossing off astute observations on the matter. Of the DOJ’s attempt to suppress the convenience store […]
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675079
Remember 10 years ago when Hussein Obama said at the Democratic national convention that there is not a White America or a Hispanic America or a Black America or a blue state America or a red state America, there is only 1 America and that is The United States Of America.
Fast forward 10 years later and he is now the most polarizing president in U.S history.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675084
It’s unfortunate post-WWII Jews assimilated into a far-left liberal WASP* (or at best, Rockefeller Progressive “Republican”) identity. Their progressive WASP identity is what led many of them to support lib WASP Ned Lamont’s primary campaign against Joe Lieberman.
Did Jews assimilate into a far-left liberal WASP identity, or have WASPs assimilated into a far-left liberal Jewish identity?
They’re more interested in impressing coastal gentile liberals who have basically the same opinion of Tea Partiers.
Are Jews more interested in impressing coastal gentile liberals who have basically the same opinion of Tea Partiers, or are gentile liberals more interested in impressing coastal Jews who have basically the same opinion of Tea Partiers?
I tend to think it is the WASPs assimilating to the mores of the Jews. The Jews have been heavy into left wing politics for quite some time, and have thoroughly displaced the WASPs in academia, the media and most other high level positions of society. Why would a surging group want to assimilate into a receding one? It makes more sense that the displaced WASPs, having accepted their displacement, are making nice with the Jews than the other way around.
If anything, academic jobs as a whole have declined in pay and prestige during the period that Jews have ascended to prominence in academia. I would thus dispute that academic positions are high-level by default. Only the most rarefiedly elite academic jobs are now high level positions in society. And can you really blame someone from a wealthy old WASP family for not putting up with the academic grind of postdocs and adjunct professorships? What about a current day academic career is so desirable that any non-masochist should seek one?
There was already a prominent liberal faction among East Coast WASP's when the ancestors of today's American Jews were still in the shtetl or working in sweatshops. Consider the freethinker maternal grandparents of Katherine Hepburn, one of whom was a member of the Houghton family (founders of Corning Incorporated), and her socialist-sympathizing parents. As late as the early 20th century, the women's suffrage movement wasn't dominated by Jews.
By the time Germany lost its colonies in WW1, the German public had already turned against the German military's genocidal adventurism in German Namibia.
If Germany hadn't lost, their colonies likely awaited the same fate as the Portugese African colonies: being defeated by international condemnation and economic isolation.
Jews like Bob Dylan and Chomsky were made into the 1960s' leaders because they gave the flower generation the ideas it wanted. Overall, Jews have been an accelerant, working together with capitalists, liberals, and Christians to get the multi-culturalism they all thought they wanted
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675085
“How do drugs fit into all this?”
Libertarians have a theory that if Blacks can sell drugs without having to be worried about being arrested by the police, they will be less angry and violent because they will be able to make a legit living. And when you make a legit living you are more happy and upbeat and don’t care about starting drama. You are in a happy place in your life and you lose the urge to Chimp Out.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675091
Did Jews assimilate into a far-left liberal WASP identity, or have WASPs assimilated into a far-left liberal Jewish identity?
The political timeline doesn’t support that position.
Jews couldn’t have corrupted WASPs because most pre-WWII Jewish American elites were conservative leaning German Jews such as the Guggenheims. Immigrant Russian Jews, as well as other Great Wave immigrants were used by FDR’s Progressive WASP coalition for votes and low level political organizing to defeat conservative Republican WASPs. But Russian Jews didn’t rise into the leadership until after the New Deal when WASPs were either Progressive Rockefeller Republicans or left liberals. By that time, both Jews and ethnic Catholics (or ethnic Orthodox in the case of Greek Americans) had been assimilated into liberal WASP norms.
There is also vigorous equivocation going on in the use of the word "left." The character of the left changed dramatically over time. Old Leftists, including the WASPy ones, were largely economic socialists---they thought the means of production should be owned by the government or by unions. New Leftists, the ones we currently are ruled by, aren't especially interested in socialism. Their occasional forays into economics are vestigial and weak. They are interested in cultural marxism, which is to say the destruction of Christendom. New and old left are almost completely distinct ideological phenomena. Their ideas have very little in common.
The change in the character of the left from old to new occurred post-WWII, at the time that the Russian Jews were settling into positions of power. Symbolically, the transition occurred at the Democratic Convention of 1968. The leaders of the new left were the "red diaper babies," largely children of leftist Russian Jews.
Should TUJ wander over to some leftist anti-zionist forum in which Jews are being criticized from the left, it seems pretty likely that these facts will suddenly become clear to him. Given the left's current ascendency, it isn't particularly difficult to find Jews bragging about how important they were in it.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675093
“It’s funny how Jews voting 100% for open borders”
100% of Jews support open borders ? Did you pull that statistic out of your a$$ ? I know most of them support open borders, but it’s not at the percentage you are claiming. Over 30 percent of Jews voted Republican in the last presidential election. You act like Jews are as monolithically left wing as Blacks.
I guess the Jews Michael Savage and Matt Drudge for example are pro-open borders ? Thats news to them.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675095
So of the two names I mentioned both were mainline WASPs. Taft was a fourth generation Yalie Episcoplian. In other words far more WASP than Nelson Rockefeller. MacArthur’s family was from Massachusettes. Those are basically two of the most recognized names of the post war period. Your command of the facts is pretty slim. More likely you have an agenda. I get civilization ends at the Hudson River fine but don’t act like that’s anything but pure solipsism. Would John Foster Dulles be WASP enough for you?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675099
Such headlines make the cop seem guilty(of overkill) while making Brown seem like a helpless victim.
In fairness, 6 shots does seem like overkill. At what point could Wilson have known Brown was unarmed? The autopsy showed the last two bullets hit his head, and the coroner surmised he was either trying to give up or attempting to charge. Assuming the latter, how successful would a man shot four times be in covering 20ft or whatever and overpowering the other man shooting him (knowing, obviously, that the other had the gun)? That he was no angel is apparent, and Steve’s comments are, as usual, informative. But 6 shots? This nonsense isn’t just happening to inner-city/section 8 blacks. The police really are overdoing it. Arguments about the election year, Dems ginning up their support base, covering up relevant evidence, black-on-black violence, maintaining the narrative, changing the narrative away from the lying friend, etc., etc. are all valid. So to is the argument that this was an unnecessary use of force.
Bubba Joe
Seems like it was a justifiable homicide, and in that situation, the cop is justified in shooting until the threat is eliminated.
Now Crump and the mother are saying:If it is adjudged a justifiable homicide, which it looks like to me, the cop will not be arrested. Deal with it.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675103
OT: I came across this case today and thought about Steve’s article about MENAs: a U.S. court declaring Armenians to be white:
https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-cartozian#.U_KonBayOJU
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675105
Wow, blacks sure don’t have ‘tired blood’ when it comes to craving for cigars and pot. And lunging at police(and beating up park rangers). And looting and burning. So vibrant.
Let’s send all those vibrant blacks with ‘fresh blood’ to Dana Milbank’s neighborhood. Surely, his community is dying due to ‘tired blood’.
Tired Mr. Rogers, your hood needs to be enlivened with the fresh blood of Mr. T.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675115
Wisconsin the state known nationwide for being the capital of White privilege conferences. Last time I checked Wisconsin is majority German Gentile and Scandinavian.
Wisconsin does not exactly have the demographics of Jew York, the term White nationalists use to describe New York.
Wisconsin a state full of pansy beta male and Lesbian lib tard SWPL Scandinavians and Germans. Left wing politics is alive and well in many fly over states that are far away from the Jew cities of New York and Los Angeles.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675116
Barry Dunham is showing his true Jayhawk colors by fanning the flames of racial hatred in Missouri. It should be no surprise to anyone. Mizzou Democrats will pay for this at the ballot box.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675118
After the riots in Ferguson, Missouri eventually end, I predict the price of housing there will be dirt cheap because the violent chimping out will result in a lowering of the city’s property value.
A decade from now it will be as cheap to buy a home in Ferguson, Missouri as it is in Detroit.
And the demand for them equally great.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675125
Ferguson is 67 percent Black, but the racial demographic of the protestors/looters/rioters on the streets look more like its 97 percent Black.
Maybe most of Ferguson’s White residents are too scared to leave the house and want no part of this drama. Or maybe they got their butts out of town and won’t come back until the drama dies down.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675128
In Ferguson, the race-hustlers are doing their own riling. They'll get a a boost for their career, but their audience will still be living in the ghetto. And let's face it, there are a few race hustlers on the other side. Some even accept Bitcoin.
Agreeing that the police should be able to kill anyone they want is signing your own execution warrant. Get riled up if you want, celebrate the demise of a low IQ thug. You may as well paint a target on your own forehead.
“Agreeing that the police should be able to kill anyone they want is signing your own execution warrant. Get riled up if you want, celebrate the demise of a low IQ thug. You may as well paint a target on your own forehead.”
The whole point of a police force is to maintain order by force. Once you take that away, it will be the wolves let loose upon the sheep.
Furthermore, if the police cannot be justified in being armed with deadly force, how much less the private citizen. For that deadly force will be exercised as a matter of course, once the protections of the state are stripped away. We are far and away from the demographics of old Britain.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675129
When was the last time Krugman condemned a liberal WASPs like Souter or FDR?
They lasted a bit beyond the Coolidge Era:
http://racehist.blogspot.com/2009/08/paul-gottfried-hates-wasp-people.html
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675130
They’ve fallen a long way from the days of Joe McCarthy. May have something to do with who controls mass media, education and the central government.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675133
So, Anglo-Saxon liberals are welcome in Israel then. I see.
(Don’t tempt me, I’d probably make Aliyah)
Given that Jews are a lot more liberal than Anglo-Saxons, I think we have our more likely answer.
Seeing how American “liberalism” conforms more closely to Jewish faux-liberalism, which states that Israel for the Jews is wonderful, but anyplace like it for the Anglo-Saxons is evil, than it does anything resembling an ideology dovetailing with Anglo-Saxon ethnic interests, I think we have our more likely answer.
It’s kind of nuts to think it’s the other way around, given the facts.
Still allergic to links, I see.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675135
Did Jews assimilate into a far-left liberal WASP identity, or have WASPs assimilated into a far-left liberal Jewish identity?
They’re more interested in impressing coastal gentile liberals who have basically the same opinion of Tea Partiers.
Are Jews more interested in impressing coastal gentile liberals who have basically the same opinion of Tea Partiers, or are gentile liberals more interested in impressing coastal Jews who have basically the same opinion of Tea Partiers?
I tend to think it is the WASPs assimilating to the mores of the Jews. The Jews have been heavy into left wing politics for quite some time, and have thoroughly displaced the WASPs in academia, the media and most other high level positions of society. Why would a surging group want to assimilate into a receding one? It makes more sense that the displaced WASPs, having accepted their displacement, are making nice with the Jews than the other way around.
I tend to think it is the WASPs assimilating to the mores of the Jews. The Jews have been heavy into left wing politics for quite some time, and have thoroughly displaced the WASPs in academia, the media and most other high level positions of society.
If anything, academic jobs as a whole have declined in pay and prestige during the period that Jews have ascended to prominence in academia. I would thus dispute that academic positions are high-level by default. Only the most rarefiedly elite academic jobs are now high level positions in society. And can you really blame someone from a wealthy old WASP family for not putting up with the academic grind of postdocs and adjunct professorships? What about a current day academic career is so desirable that any non-masochist should seek one?
There was already a prominent liberal faction among East Coast WASP’s when the ancestors of today’s American Jews were still in the shtetl or working in sweatshops. Consider the freethinker maternal grandparents of Katherine Hepburn, one of whom was a member of the Houghton family (founders of Corning Incorporated), and her socialist-sympathizing parents. As late as the early 20th century, the women’s suffrage movement wasn’t dominated by Jews.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675137
Bubba Joe
Frankly, he couldn’t know that Brown didn’t have a knife, and 1.5 seconds is enough to close the distance. Moreover, he had at least 50lbs over the cop.
Seems like it was a justifiable homicide, and in that situation, the cop is justified in shooting until the threat is eliminated.
Now Crump and the mother are saying:
If it is adjudged a justifiable homicide, which it looks like to me, the cop will not be arrested. Deal with it.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675139
Why wont you sacrifice just one cop?
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/18/anderson-cooper-accidentally-tweets-mindset-of-ferguson-community-protestors-why-wont-police-offer-just-one-cop-for-a-sacrifice/
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675142
There should never be any excuse for a police shooting an unarmed man. If a cop or cops are unable to non-lethally subdue an unarmed man they should back down. Otherwise you're allowing summary executions. In this case you're saying the execution was justified because Brown was a thug and had stolen a box of cigars. That's ridiculous. It's similar to how cops do high speed chases or shoot after car robbers; thereby putting everyone else at risk and carrying out potentially a summary execution for robbery. This is unjustified.
Moreover the story told by the police here doesn't carry water to anyone who's actually dealt with the pigs first-hand. Brown's (thug) friend's story actually is what sounds a lot more plausible. That the cops went after them (not yet knowing about the robbery btw) to pick a fight, that Brown and his friend didn't show enough RESPECK to their betters, and that the cop chimped out when the door ricocheted accidentally back on him and shot Brown because of that. I've seen cops chimp for a lot less, like questioning them or disagreeing with them. Look at how they treat the journos in that McD's; that kind of encounter can turn ugly REALLY FAST, especially when you're dealing with someone with a little less impulse control or who's not in the mood to be bullied by Paul Blart mall cops. You guys are saying that whoever gets killed or maimed by one of the pigs (and a lot of victims of police brutality are white middle class) is guilty if the police manages to trump up some "evidence" that the victim was a thug or had published an article defending the gold standard or whatever.
This defense of the police is going to bite you back, as they ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE.
“the cops went after them.. to pick a fight..”
Not too many folks are going to pick a fight with a 6’4″ 300 pounder who is acting belligerently (walking in the middle of the street, just strong-armed and robbed a store-owner). I don’t see it sport.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675144
How about Henry Ford?
In fairness, it doesn’t to me. I think it’s unfair to second-guess a white cop policing a black population based solely on how many shots it takes him to down a 6’4″, 290 lb perp. I still don’t see what being unarmed has to do with anything. The only thing stopping a guy like Brown from becoming an armed teen is a cop’s willingness to use his weapon to defend himself.
The first 4 shots went into Brown’s arm and didn’t stop him. One or both of the next two did. Which is instructive in and of itself – presumably one was enough to drop him, but didn’t. Probably inertia, and the speed with which the shots followed one another. One shot probably took him in the face, dropping him, but the second followed on so rapidly that it went into the top of his head as he went down. All informed speculation, of course. Apparently Brown was only a couple of feet away from Wilson when he finally went down.
I’m not seeing the problem with the number of shots. A man who wants to go home to his family fires on a charging suspect (especially one that size; double-especially one that has already assaulted him and attempted to take his weapon, resulting in a weapon discharge) until he drops. It took 6 shots to drop him. I think we’d know by now if he’d shot the guy while he was down, something that tends to leave a distinct forensic signature.
Also, the idea that his head was down because he was surrendering is a bit rich. Yeah, ’cause that’s so consistent with what we know of Brown’s character: the penitent, submissive negro, lol. Did he have a pet mouse in his pocket, too?
As for how long it takes to cover 20′, G**gle may prove useful. Ever heard of the 21 foot rule?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675146
I must have missed all those black Panther suicide bombings and calls for the extermination of all white Americans.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675149
Wasn’t everyone outraged a few days ago that the name of the police officer wasn’t being reported ?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675151
And FFS, Monday-morning QBs, please read this FBI report before you second-guess people defending themselves over how many shots they fire:
Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness (FBI Academy Firearms Training Unit) by Urey Patrick
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675153
Every Jew in Congress and any significant non-ultra-orthodox Jewish organization.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675157
“They’ve fallen a long way from the days of Joe McCarthy. May have something to do with who controls mass media, education and the central government.”
If most White Gentiles can easily be brainwashed by mass media, than White Gentile IQ is overrated.
Even if they don't send you to jail they can break you financially. See the recent IRS scandal that disappeared.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675163
Maybe the white folks of Ferguson are doing what white folks everywhere have done for the past 50 years…got their butts to their real estate broker and said “Get me outta here, Percy.”
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675170
I predict that in 2016 there will be another White on Black homicide for the liberal media to blow out of proportion and give round the clock 24 hour footage just in time to rile up The Democratic Party’s Black voting base.
The DNC will tell their Black voting base that if you stay at home on election day and the Republican candidate defeats Hillary Clinton, you will see more dead Black bodies on the streets.
The DNC are really good at driving up the fear mongering within their base. The war on women is so yesterday’s news, in 2016 it’s all about THE WAR ON BLACKS.
So in 2016 Sandra Fluke will have to take a back seat to LaMarcus Jamal Johnson.
For awhile Illegal Immigrants were stealing Black people’s thunder when it comes to who is the DNC’s favorite Nonwhite pets, but it looks like Blacks are relevant again and are getting their groove back in The Democratic Party. Blacks are no longer in the shadow of Illegal Immigrants.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675172
If we treat blacks for a couple decades the way Jews have treated Palestinians, you’ll have your suicide bombings. Probably rocket attacks, too, though that might be a high hurdle of competency to expect. As for the calls for extermination, I bet we can dredge up some “kill YT” quotes for you, if we really wanted to.
The bottom line is that all the deaths the Jews have suffered at the hands of the Palestinians add up to a few bad months in Detroit.
Granny deserved to be defrauded. She never should have fallen for that old trick. Let’s give the fraudster a medal.
Wrong 25,000 Jews have been killed by Arabs.
25K Jews have been killed by Arabs in the past 70 years. That's 0.5% of the current Jewish population. If blacks outnumbered whites 60 to 1, lived on lands literally 100x the US and invaded the US with jet fighters, tanks and artillery multiple times and then sent suicide bombers to kill American civilians, I suspect they would all have been deported to their native lands. 0.5% the current white population is 1m people. ~400 whites were positively found to have been killed by blacks per year in the past few years. Extrapolate that back 70 years and you get 28K people. 1m white dead over 70 years is 14K a year, roughly the current annual US homicide total. The fact is whites in America have not undergone the scale or carnage, on a per capita basis, that Jews in Israel have undergone at the hands of the Arabs. Not by a long shot.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675174
I hope my house will never be unjustly raided, nor my dog or loved ones shot willy nilly. I hope I will never have to deal with that, and I’d hope the same for everyone. You’re saying a man shot 4 times (again, the coroner indicated the last two shots were the head shots, but that is probably debatable- again, there’s still a lot we don’t know) could cover that distance in 1.5 seconds? That he might’ve had a knife? The cop wouldn’t have been able to figure that out after the first four shots? Brown was a big’un, but he wasn’t Superman. The point I’m making is it’s reasonable to assume no cop would have had to have been sacrificed. All of my few interactions with the police have been good ones. This isn’t a case of hating cops. They have a hard job and are certainly demonized by the powers that be, especially when they interact with blacks and Hispanics. But that doesn’t change the fact of well-documented, unnecessary brutality on their part, a brutality inflicted on every type of American. This is recent- the anal search in New Mexico, the dog shootings, the kid in Wisconsin. It’s fair to wonder if this incident fits that pattern.
BTW, Steve regularly cautions readers that a lot of the information needed to arrive at a proper conclusion in these matters takes time to come to the fore- usually because of deliberate obfuscation on the part of the authorities, or blatant lying on the part of witnesses, etc. We’re seeing that now too, as usual. I’m not saying Wilson’s a monster, I don’t believe that- I don’t have any idea, but I doubt it. The Sharptonite charades are deplorable. But it’s fair game to ask why less force couldn’t have been employed.
“he couldn’t know that Brown didn’t have a knife” and we just couldn’t know if Saddam had nukes. I’m sure, along with begin Superman, Brown was a knife throwing expert. The cop may not have know Brown didn’t have a knife, but Brown definitely knew the cop had a gun. You sound like a neocon.
“Deal with it“- you sure you shouldn’t be commenting at HuffPo or Jezebel?; your snarky pettiness isn’t contributing anything here.
Don't bother answering, you've made it clear that your answer to all of these questions is, "Uh...no."
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675176
African Americans have taken the spotlight back from Illegal Immigrants to once again become SWPL America’s favorite Nonwhite group.
African Americans are no longer irrelevant and in the back burner. Move out the way Jose. THIS IS A BLACK WORLD.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675177
Typical. Tea Party Conservatives go out of their way to defend Israel/Likud/Netanhayu against Hamas, but Jews like Reiner compare TP with Hamas.
Some gratitude.
I heard an audio of the interview played by Mark Levin on his radio show.
I must say, I found myself understanding the Archie Bunkers of the world. They do have some wisdom.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675179
How cool would it be if one day there is major backlash from the White community who are sick and tired of seeing every single White on Black homicide getting more mass media coverage than the JFK assassination, while Black on White homicides get little to zero news coverage.
But I won’t hold my breathe on a boycott of the liberal media by the White masses. Racial tribalism is just not in White people’s nature. It’s not in most White people’s genes to be racially tribal. White people are too individualistic. White people are too every man for himself.
The problem today, is that there are forces that will come down hard on whites if they dare form a identity movement like Mecha, Atzlan, ADL, let alone a version of the BPL, etc.
Tribalism for everyone but whites. ADL, ACLU and SPLC are all cool with Atzlan, Mecha, Black Panthers, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, etc. But if they get a whif of whites organizing, out come the lawyers, judges and Federal government to smash'em.
Somebody is very afraid of us waking up and taking stock.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675181
If most White Gentiles can easily be brainwashed by mass media, than White Gentile IQ is overrated.
You missed the other two components. State power is likely the most important. See Paul Gottfried’s trilogy on the managerial-therapeutic state.
Even if they don’t send you to jail they can break you financially. See the recent IRS scandal that disappeared.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675182
@ Svigor
“the idea that his head was down because he was surrendering is a bit rich”- the coroner’s words, indicating one of two possible explanations- not my words.
“the first four just didn’t stop him”- how do you know that?
“I think we’d know by now if he’d shot the guy while he was down” we do know he wasn’t shot when he was down- the cornorer said that the shots that entered his head were at such an angle that it wasn’t fully upright. It was tilted downward. The rest of his body was still standing.
It’d make more sense to think Wilson was just terrified, and kept shooting until Brown crumpled. That’s a more realistic assumption than Brown getting shot four times and continuing to charge.
We still don’t know the exact distances involved. The “witnesses” are other criminals, and we’ve heard no other word on the matter. But how fast can an obese man run? He wasn’t entering the NFL- he was going to a low quality trade school. I’m not second-guessing the cop so much as wondering if he did what his training told him to, and if that might be, given the state of things throughout the country, in need of change. Really though, because of the Obama-Media Industrial complex or whatever you want to call it, we can’t answer these question because none of us currently have the facts to to do so. You don’t have to deny the guy was a crook and up to no good to also wonder if things could’ve been handled differently. It’s called pattern recognition- a valuable lesson of this site- and the pattern I’m seeing is too many police taking things too far. But, that’s based on the same info you have- not much- so maybe we should just wait and see…
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The time to surrender is before the cop starts shooting, which also means don't do anything that he might regard as as a threat.
Having had to deal with a cop who had his gun out pointed at me more than 30 years ago, I can tell you first hand that you survive those situations by being very careful.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675190
Even if they don't send you to jail they can break you financially. See the recent IRS scandal that disappeared.
Old Sam Francis quote:
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675192
BTW, Steve regularly cautions readers that a lot of the information needed to arrive at a proper conclusion in these matters takes time to come to the fore- usually because of deliberate obfuscation on the part of the authorities, or blatant lying on the part of witnesses, etc. We're seeing that now too, as usual. I'm not saying Wilson's a monster, I don't believe that- I don't have any idea, but I doubt it. The Sharptonite charades are deplorable. But it's fair game to ask why less force couldn't have been employed.
"he couldn’t know that Brown didn’t have a knife" and we just couldn't know if Saddam had nukes. I'm sure, along with begin Superman, Brown was a knife throwing expert. The cop may not have know Brown didn't have a knife, but Brown definitely knew the cop had a gun. You sound like a neocon.
"Deal with it"- you sure you shouldn't be commenting at HuffPo or Jezebel?; your snarky pettiness isn't contributing anything here.
In heated, fast moving situations, people can’t and don’t make conscious calculations about how to use the least amount of force required. They need to use heuristics, and these heuristics are determined by patterns of behavior, and in this case, patterns of impulsively violent, criminal black behavior.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675195
If Milbank and his ilk wanna be with fresh blood folks, why do they insist on remaining in the West, in US or Europe, the land of the tired blood folks?
Why don’t they all emigrate to places like Honduras, Somalia, and Pakistan where are tons of fresh-blood folks who are just dying to expand the economies(though I don’t know why they never get started)? I mean who’s stopping them? White folks are too tired to stop the likes of Milbank from leaving and finding new pastures in lands of fresher blood folks.
But then… if white folks are so tired, why do they have so much energy to go around trying to save the world? Look at all the white missionaries in Africa. Where do such people find the energy?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675196
“The traditional methods to deal with Ferguson style rioting are either 1) have the police make a big perimeter around the riots and let the locals burn their own neighborhood down, or 2) hose down the streets with hot lead.”
Whatever happened to 3) hose down the streets with shotguns loaded with rock salt?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675206
I must have missed all those black Panther suicide bombings and calls for the extermination of all white Americans.
Yet despite no such calls for extermination, I imagine blacks commit more violent crime on whites in the USA than muslims do to Jews in Israel. Assume there are about 40 times the number of whites in the USA as Jews in Israel. In 2005, about 40,000 whites were raped by blacks. Were 1000 Jews raped by muslims that year in Israel? Ditto for the murder rates. I don’t have the figures for Israel, but I imagine the muslim-on-Jew crime rate is no where near what the black-on-white crime rate is. Yet in the former case they are at war and able to employ any weapons or actions to defend themselves. In the latter no war is acknowledged and whites are expected to quietly acquiesce to more of the same policies pushed these past 50 years.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675207
There should never be any excuse for a police shooting an unarmed man.
Every once in a while in Alaska, a citizen attacked by a bear shoots and kills it in self defense. Should news reports specify that the bear was unarmed? Would that diminish the justification of self defense?
If a cop or cops are unable to non-lethally subdue an unarmed man they should back down.
It’s the sworn duty of police officers to engage violent predators. They aren’t paid to run away and let the predator prey on the citizenry.
You sound like someone who has led a very sheltered existence. You have no idea what goes on out there. I hope the police are around to protect you should you encounter one of the Michael Browns of the world, because you clearly don’t have the mindset to survive on your own.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675211
It is wrong to frame Ferguson as a black/white conflict.
The elephant in the room is that it is no secret who is killing young black men and it is other young black men.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304830704577496501048197464
The number of police killings of people of all races is about 400 per year, with about 100 black victims.
There are approximately 6,000 black on black killings per year. Assuming a reasonable fraction of police killings are justifiable, a black male is 100 times more likely to be killed by another black than by a policeman.
Black ‘leaders’ and white liberals are stuck in the 1960′s. Where I live, a black shooting a white is an above the fold newspaper article. Black on black shootings are grouped together in a short article on page 2 or 3 (or wherever).
I wouldn’t tolerate living near a black ghetto. There are a huge number of black ghetto residents who also can’t tolerate it, except for the fact that it is the only place they can afford.
Instead of nostalgia for the 1960′s, anyone that gave a shit about poor American blacks (and the majority of blacks who are hard working, law abiding citizens) would demand MORE police in their neighborhoods. The people indifferent to this are people that don’t live in ghettos. Or simply don’t care about the deaths of thousands of blacks per year.
And, while I am at it, who in America has the greatest economic interest in preventing illegal immigration? It is obvious that it is blacks, who are finding wages for less skilled jobs falling. It is likely that the market minimum wage, excluding illegal immigrants is 50% to 100% higher in a lot of areas and for a lot of jobs. Is the so called black leadership still fantasizing about rainbow anything?
There is something compelling about individual stories. One death is a tragedy, 6000 is a statistic.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675213
You know, once the cop starts shooting it’s too late to say: My bad, forget I tried to grab your gun or anything.
The time to surrender is before the cop starts shooting, which also means don’t do anything that he might regard as as a threat.
Having had to deal with a cop who had his gun out pointed at me more than 30 years ago, I can tell you first hand that you survive those situations by being very careful.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675216
No, it’s really not debatable. The #1 coroner in the country says either head wound would have been instantly fatal. Meaning, he’d have dropped so quickly that it would be very difficult to impossible to get more than one more round into him while he was still on his feet. Meaning, the head shots were consecutive and came last, because we know he wasn’t shot after he went down.
At least, this is by far the most probable and plausible scenario. It’s also consistent with Wilson’s increasing accuracy (closing distance, mind increasingly focused by increasing danger).
I’m saying there’s no reason to believe that a man (even a very large one) shot 4 times in the arm (again, not really debatable) couldn’t cover 15′ in a second and a half, yes. At all. Especially if he was shot after he got his momentum going.
I know what Baden said. Like I said, a bit rich.
I think I’ve been over this, but I’ll go over it again if need be.
That’s hair-splitting that amounts to the same thing. When a psycho’s charging you and you’ve already shot him four times, and you put the last two into his head in rapid succession, well, I’m just not seeing the distinction. He landed at the cop’s feet, basically.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675217
@Howie
Fair enough. Fear and uncertainty as to Brown’s motives seem like reasonable explanations for Wilson’s actions. My point is it’s just as valid to consider if he went too far. Again, these are precisely the kinds of questions we need to answer but can’t because of media obfuscation. How far away was he? What exactly happened? The narrative seems to be he was just walking along in the middle of the road and was executed. Or that there might have been some scuffle within the police car, but he wasn’t doing anything wrong regardless. If there was a scuffle in the car, what caused him to walk away? What were the distances involved? The exact sequence of events has yet to be presented by either side. IIRC the police themselves said Wilson did not know about the robbery, but then changed that to say he did, and was actively seeking the suspect (I might be wrong there). Just because the Brown as Angel view is a crock of sh*t doesn’t mean the police are telling it straight.
Going back to the prescience of Tom Wolfe, most of the scenes in his books are not cut-and-dry, but rather show the murkiness of events. In BoV someone was killed, just not by Sherman McCoy. In a Man in Full Fareek Fanon is accused of rape, which may or may not have been consensual, the girl involved having good reason to lie. His point is that unseemly events occur with unreliable witnesses present, and charges are made that can be hard to either refute or prove, and that such events are taken up to be exploited for a variety of interconnected ideological-political reasons. But that also the truth doesn’t fair well in any case. Steve’s view, if I’m interpreting it correctly, is to focus on the former, because it’s informative about a lot of things, and the latter is, well, ambiguous. My point is that the latter also matters, and does so especially within the context of cops- gone- wild militarization as described by Radley Balko.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675218
The bottom line is that all the deaths the Jews have suffered at the hands of the Palestinians add up to a few bad months in Detroit.
Wrong 25,000 Jews have been killed by Arabs.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675220
The bottom line is that all the deaths the Jews have suffered at the hands of the Palestinians add up to a few bad months in Detroit.
25K Jews have been killed by Arabs in the past 70 years. That’s 0.5% of the current Jewish population. If blacks outnumbered whites 60 to 1, lived on lands literally 100x the US and invaded the US with jet fighters, tanks and artillery multiple times and then sent suicide bombers to kill American civilians, I suspect they would all have been deported to their native lands. 0.5% the current white population is 1m people. ~400 whites were positively found to have been killed by blacks per year in the past few years. Extrapolate that back 70 years and you get 28K people. 1m white dead over 70 years is 14K a year, roughly the current annual US homicide total. The fact is whites in America have not undergone the scale or carnage, on a per capita basis, that Jews in Israel have undergone at the hands of the Arabs. Not by a long shot.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675229
Your characterization of history is false. It’s also disingenuous inasmuch as it rests on an assumption that we should know who does and doesn’t match your peculiar definition of WASP.
In any event, there were countless conservative WASPs after Coolidge. Many of them were in the military, as Bendersky documented in his book. Even progressives like John Dewey were arch-conservatives when compared to the contemporaneous Jewish Left. Dewey advocated class cooperation rather than Trotsky’s class conflict, and he argued for democratic self-government rather than Lippmann’s government by a self-appointed elite.
Jews were already far to the Left of WASPs when they showed up on these shores, and over time WASPs came to find that they had to conform to Jewish political beliefs. Even so, WASPs like Carleton Putnam remained on the Right to the end.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675233
Did Michael Brown Steal Cigars — Or Pay For Them?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/did-michael-brown-steal-cigars-or-pay-for-them/
New theory, Brown and friend paid for tobacco, store ‘employee’*** confronted the two over their age. Annoyed they brush past ‘employee’. Story about stealing blunts and patron calling police (patron calling cops over nothing sounds bogus to me) may be made up to justify incial confrontation between Brown and police officer.
*** Immigration and labor status of person is still unknown.
First he's given a hard time by the foreign store clerk, then he meets a hot headed cop looking to pick a fight over jaywalking
Remember Reese Witherspoon and how she acted around the cops? See if Reese had been Michael Brown, her brains would have been on the sidewalk.
It's Not Right.
I get angry when I have to deal with foreign store clerks, or foreigners in general. I don't blame Michael Brown for doing the same.
The real import of the video is it's demonstration of his thuggish entitled behavior and violent nature.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675235
Yet despite no such calls for extermination, I imagine blacks commit more violent crime on whites in the USA than muslims do to Jews in Israel.
Arabs have killed 25K Jews over the last 70 years. That’s 0.5% of Israel’s Jewish population today. 0.5% of the US’s white population today is 1m whites. Over the past 70 years, that’s 14,000 a year. The actual number of annual black on white murders in recent years is ~400. Extrapolate that back 70 years, and you have 28K dead whites, or 0.014%. Another way of of putting this is that the Jewish death rate at the hands of Arabs is 35x the white death rate at the hands of blacks.
No idea if that figure's correct or not, but 70 years covers the 1948 wars as well as 1967 and 1973. I'd be surprised if the total Arab death toll over that period wasn't considerably higher.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675263
So long, neighbors!
Thanks for the blast from the past.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675275
Tribalism is the missing ingredient of white culture in the West. Even the historian Carroll Quigley noticed in his lectures(Oscar Iden series) that American society had pretty much atomized, that the concept of community was no more.
The problem today, is that there are forces that will come down hard on whites if they dare form a identity movement like Mecha, Atzlan, ADL, let alone a version of the BPL, etc.
Tribalism for everyone but whites. ADL, ACLU and SPLC are all cool with Atzlan, Mecha, Black Panthers, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, etc. But if they get a whif of whites organizing, out come the lawyers, judges and Federal government to smash’em.
Somebody is very afraid of us waking up and taking stock.
Supporters of Al Qaeda Terrorist Honored at ADL Nation of Immigrants Passover Seder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwobA5ZRh-w
Video by some right-wing Likudnik Jews.
That is the most important point to be made today.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675282
Mark my words, we are going to have another Michael Brown/Trayvon Martin/Oscar Grant type circus show in 2016 just in time for the presidential election.
2016 is going to be the year of “the evil racist neo nazi KKK White man” and “the innocent Black gentle soul who would not hurt a fly”.
The DNC needs Black voter participation rate in 2016 to be equal to if not higher than in 2012 and 2008. Blacks are the heart and soul of The Democratic Party, the same way religious White Evangelicals and Mormons are the heart and soul of The Republican Party.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675342
There is a large city in Missouri called Lee’s Summit, it is 83 percent Non Hispanic White. It has a very low crime and murder rate according to City-Data.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Lee-s-Summit-Missouri.html#b
That looks like a decent place for White people trying to escape Bantuson, excuse me I mean Ferguson.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675347
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/did-michael-brown-steal-cigars-or-pay-for-them/
New theory, Brown and friend paid for tobacco, store 'employee'*** confronted the two over their age. Annoyed they brush past 'employee'. Story about stealing blunts and patron calling police (patron calling cops over nothing sounds bogus to me) may be made up to justify incial confrontation between Brown and police officer.
*** Immigration and labor status of person is still unknown.
Has it ever occurred to anyone that Brown was being repetitively treated like shit?
First he’s given a hard time by the foreign store clerk, then he meets a hot headed cop looking to pick a fight over jaywalking
Remember Reese Witherspoon and how she acted around the cops? See if Reese had been Michael Brown, her brains would have been on the sidewalk.
It’s Not Right.
I get angry when I have to deal with foreign store clerks, or foreigners in general. I don’t blame Michael Brown for doing the same.
No, because we have no reason to believe that. He stole property from a convenience store and strong-armed the store manager. It's there on tape.
Reese Witherspoon is protected by the celebrity aura that allows well-known people to get away with all sorts of things that you and I would not - which, I agree, is bullshit. But Witherspoon's brains would not have been on the sidewalk in any event, because her husband did not resist arrest, nor did she, after her husband told her to stop mouthing off to the cop. Samuel L Jackson's and Morgan Freeman's brains would also have remained safely within their skulls under the same circumstances, because they would not be stupid enough to act the way that Brown did.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675353
One more thing….
If Michael had paid for those cigars…and the police released that video purposefully making him look a thief…
Than some white cops need be fired.
White people always go for the truth. That’s what being white means. If a white person does not adhere to the truth…you can’t defend them.
You seem like a clueless, pasty refugee of Alex Jones-type libertarian morons. Collect your drool and go back to watching his nutty rants.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675354
http://politics.suntimes.com/article/chicago/nearly-1-million-charters-went-firms-named-fbi-probe/mon-08182014-1201am
Fbi finds self dealing with gullen school in suburban chicago.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675383
“White men who defend the Black community are generally seen as beta males by Blacks themselves. Blacks do not generally respect White men who kiss their butts.”
This is probably why, at least in my experience, blacks are a lot more friendly to whites in the South. You don’t hear as much about “knockout games” and such in the South as you do the rest of the country.
That's because black status in the US is entirely a function of belief in their struggle against the evil southerner. They are the struggling race. They have to have something to struggle against, thus the necessity of presenting southern whites as the evil foil against which they struggle. Take that belief away and what do they have left to provide status? But do southern whites believe they are evil? No they do not. Thus necessity of the controlled press to constantly reinforce the narrative.
It could be that for many blacks Ferguson provides not the unwelcome feelings many assume but instead a confirmation of what they consider to be their greatest trait. Which is why they get so mad should someone suggest that the struggle is being faked up.
Southern whites, on the other hand, perceive reality and act accordingly.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675393
Arabs have killed 25K Jews over the last 70 years. That's 0.5% of Israel's Jewish population today. 0.5% of the US's white population today is 1m whites. Over the past 70 years, that's 14,000 a year. The actual number of annual black on white murders in recent years is ~400. Extrapolate that back 70 years, and you have 28K dead whites, or 0.014%. Another way of of putting this is that the Jewish death rate at the hands of Arabs is 35x the white death rate at the hands of blacks.
How many Arabs have been killed by Jews over the same period?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675396
The problem today, is that there are forces that will come down hard on whites if they dare form a identity movement like Mecha, Atzlan, ADL, let alone a version of the BPL, etc.
Tribalism for everyone but whites. ADL, ACLU and SPLC are all cool with Atzlan, Mecha, Black Panthers, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, etc. But if they get a whif of whites organizing, out come the lawyers, judges and Federal government to smash'em.
Somebody is very afraid of us waking up and taking stock.
It’s way beyond absurd.
Supporters of Al Qaeda Terrorist Honored at ADL Nation of Immigrants Passover Seder:
Video by some right-wing Likudnik Jews.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675400
Arabs have killed 25K Jews over the last 70 years. That's 0.5% of Israel's Jewish population today. 0.5% of the US's white population today is 1m whites. Over the past 70 years, that's 14,000 a year. The actual number of annual black on white murders in recent years is ~400. Extrapolate that back 70 years, and you have 28K dead whites, or 0.014%. Another way of of putting this is that the Jewish death rate at the hands of Arabs is 35x the white death rate at the hands of blacks.
“Arabs have killed 25K Jews over the last 70 years.”
No idea if that figure’s correct or not, but 70 years covers the 1948 wars as well as 1967 and 1973. I’d be surprised if the total Arab death toll over that period wasn’t considerably higher.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675412
Some gratitude.
It really is typical. Jews don't respect naive suckups. They respect strength and cunning.
Jews will respect us once we're ready to deal with them roughly. Not before. They're a lot like blacks that way.
“Svigor says:
August 18, 2014 at 8:38 pm GMT
Typical. Tea Party Conservatives go out of their way to defend Israel/Likud/Netanhayu against Hamas, but Jews like Reiner compare TP with Hamas.
Some gratitude.
It really is typical. Jews don’t respect naive suckups. They respect strength and cunning.
Jews will respect us once we’re ready to deal with them roughly. Not before. They’re a lot like blacks that way.”
Absolutely correct, same with the South Asians who are colonising England and to some extent Scotland. They cannot believe how we are so bloody masochistic in our behaviour towards them.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675427
The problem today, is that there are forces that will come down hard on whites if they dare form a identity movement like Mecha, Atzlan, ADL, let alone a version of the BPL, etc.
Tribalism for everyone but whites. ADL, ACLU and SPLC are all cool with Atzlan, Mecha, Black Panthers, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, etc. But if they get a whif of whites organizing, out come the lawyers, judges and Federal government to smash'em.
Somebody is very afraid of us waking up and taking stock.
“Somebody is very afraid of us waking up and taking stock.”
That is the most important point to be made today.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675428
A decade from now it will be as cheap to buy a home in Ferguson, Missouri as it is in Detroit.
A decade from now it will be as cheap to buy a home in Ferguson, Missouri as it is in Detroit.
And the demand for them equally great.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675432
The people making something out of the fact that the store worker was an Indian and that therefore the perp was somehow influenced by that should consider that he probably couldn’t even tell the difference. Most likely he was too stupid to be able to discern the difference between an Indian immigrant and a regular white person. Yes, those types of people are really that stupid.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675457
Brown was unarmed. There has been no evidence that Brown was planning any violence in the immediate future. The police are, in theory, trained to corral unarmed suspects without killing anyone. If Brown for away, the Wilson could have radioed in Brown’s description and asked for backup. Or taken down the information and looked Brown up later. Instead, Wilson shot Brown six times. Theft is not a capital crime. Even taking the worst view of Brown from the available evidence, Wilson was in the wrong. Please think this all the way through. Do you want a world where the cops can shoot to kill at the very first provocation?
"Do you want a world where the cops can shoot to kill at the very first provocation?"
Nope. I also don't want to live in a world where 300 lb intoxicated negroes rip off Apu at the Quickie Mart, do the Dougie down the center of a busy street, and try to wrestle pistols away from police officers. I'd also like to not live in a world where Section 8 troglodytes think that it's ok to loot and burn their own neighborhoods. I also don't want to live in a world where Barbadian multattoes use the full power of the state to pursue and punish anyone who commits a "civil rights" violation (civil rights, of course, in 2014, means nothing more or less than making negroes feel good about themselves. Make a negro upset: Civil Rights Vilolation!!).
I can't change the whole world, but I can change where I live. Up near the Canadian border in the Northeast we don't have to worry about militarized police, no-knock raids, and people being gunned down in the streets. Why? Because we're insulated from all the crap that requires such heavy handedness. I'll leave you to infer the reasons for us being able to get away with Mayberry PD vs. what we've been seeing in the news recently.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown
Even the most biased pro-Brown witness agrees that Brown entered Wilson's police vehicle and assaulted him there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfy5FiqzWHI
Finally, our little angel who already committed a minimum of three felonies in as many minutes charges at the badly wounded officer. Now since you know nothing about law enforcement or police training (evident by your ignorant post) I'll make something clear. While they are trained to deal with unarmed suspects that does not make them 'Superman' or Jackie Chan. Brown was a violent jacked up felon who had already demonstrated that the officer could not physically subdue him. Anytime before that the officer would have been justified in a shoot if Brown did not immediately surrender or if he had been in the commission of any of those three felonies (that we know of) since he had already committed felony assault and robbery not once but twice in the case of the officer seriously injuring the officer he could have been legally and ethically shot running away because he would have been a fleeing felon and a danger to the public.
This scenario is taught in the police academies around the country and the training is if the guy is going to injure or kill you you can use deadly force to stop him. Once you being shooting you shoot to kill. You shoot for center mass or head shot and you continue shooting until he is no longer a threat. As long as a three hundred pound 6'4" man who has already broken your eye socket is charging you, you keep pulling the trigger. That's the ethical, legal, and proper way to deal with it. A civilian would have the same right of self defense in that situation.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675461
“I have never in all my years seen something as offensive and insulting as a police chief releasing a tape of a young man trying to smear him before we even have his funeral or his burial,” Sharpton said.
-Yes, much better to smear the officer who was, based on the evidence we have, trying to apprehend a criminal.
God forbid the truth comes out and reveals that Brown was not an angelic cherub who was mercilessly gunned down by a racist police officer for the crime of being black in public, but instead a recidivist violent criminal who was gunned down trying to steal the gun from a police officer who attempted to apprehend him.
This video of the crime he was being apprehended for, clearly supports the officer’s side of the story, as does the links to Brown’s rap sheet, his gang affiliations, his rap songs, selfies of him using drugs, etc.
These Rev Bacon types are in it entirely for themselves, and the communities they ‘represent’ are just too stupid to realize it.
How does it benefit the black community at large? To suppress the video causes them to go on believing the BS idea that the police might shoot them for no reason other than black skin. That they are being unjustly treated when they aren’t. They go on to riot and loot and create behavior that actually does cause people to view them in a ‘racist’ manner (not to mention, causes some blacks to die in the process). Meanwhile, the rioting tears up their community and causes economic damage that can last for decades.
The podunk cops effort to smear Brown might condition future elderly white jurors, Drudge Report and Vdare readers, but not the target audience of rioters who get their news from WSHH.
Sadly Vdare has abandoned reporting on the nation question in favor of whinging about blacks and how the podunk cops are not aggressive enough.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675462
Most people on the right and center DO believe Brown deserves to be dead. We’re GLAD he’s dead. All violent thugs should be dead.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675488
First he's given a hard time by the foreign store clerk, then he meets a hot headed cop looking to pick a fight over jaywalking
Remember Reese Witherspoon and how she acted around the cops? See if Reese had been Michael Brown, her brains would have been on the sidewalk.
It's Not Right.
I get angry when I have to deal with foreign store clerks, or foreigners in general. I don't blame Michael Brown for doing the same.
The video of Michael Brown assaulting the store clerk is online. It’s very easy to Google it and find that Brown was the one doing the “shitting.”
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675489
I voted Obama v. McCain, Romney v. Obama, but my second vote meant nothing because of our Electoral College system.
Steve and others have analyzed this many times. The white working class didn’t vote for either candidate, and why should they? The case against Obama is obvious. But why should they have voted for Romney, when he’s Mr. Capitalist Outsourcer?
We’re screwed either way. God help us.
I think you are right about Obama going crazy. He actually thinks this fiasco is going to help his party and his fortunes. In fact it will destroy his presidency (not that there’s much to destroy). He’s lucky that the Republican party is made up of hopeless losers and has no leadership. Maybe we all are. I don’t want to see the US taken over by a competent demagogue. Maybe it’s best that the US just falls apart.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675500
Unarmed? What did he use to perform the “strong-arm robbery?” Are you trying to imply that 6’4″ 292 lbs. Michael Brown was defenseless?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675501
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/did-michael-brown-steal-cigars-or-pay-for-them/
New theory, Brown and friend paid for tobacco, store 'employee'*** confronted the two over their age. Annoyed they brush past 'employee'. Story about stealing blunts and patron calling police (patron calling cops over nothing sounds bogus to me) may be made up to justify incial confrontation between Brown and police officer.
*** Immigration and labor status of person is still unknown.
Whether or not Brown paid for the cigars is not really what the store’s video informs us about.
The real import of the video is it’s demonstration of his thuggish entitled behavior and violent nature.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675535
This is probably why, at least in my experience, blacks are a lot more friendly to whites in the South. You don't hear as much about "knockout games" and such in the South as you do the rest of the country.
“[B]lacks are a lot more friendly to whites in the South.”
That’s because black status in the US is entirely a function of belief in their struggle against the evil southerner. They are the struggling race. They have to have something to struggle against, thus the necessity of presenting southern whites as the evil foil against which they struggle. Take that belief away and what do they have left to provide status? But do southern whites believe they are evil? No they do not. Thus necessity of the controlled press to constantly reinforce the narrative.
It could be that for many blacks Ferguson provides not the unwelcome feelings many assume but instead a confirmation of what they consider to be their greatest trait. Which is why they get so mad should someone suggest that the struggle is being faked up.
Southern whites, on the other hand, perceive reality and act accordingly.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675540
I have never seen a policeman in a U.S. airport carrying a submachine gun. When I first arrived at Gatwick, six policemen with Uzis walked by in single file through the reception hall.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675541
Nixon also expressed shock at the militarization of the police despite the fact that he has encouraged such militarization over the last several years. Then, of course, he sends in the National Guard – which actually are military units.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675542
“End Of Watch” was pretty good. Remarkably non PC which is probably why it went nowhere.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675544
Bubba Joe
You keep firing until the person charging you stops charging.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675549
Just saw this covered on Rupert Murdoch’s SKY NEWS here in UK.
The used a picture of Brown taken when he was 12 or so years old, didn’t mention the robbery, showed the militarized police on riot duty as if to suggest that Brown was shot by such a person.
An entire article of misdirection, enhanced by an interview with an Af-Am lawyer specialising in ‘race issues’.
I don’t know what happened in Ferguson but I know what our enemies want us to think happened and I know they are liars.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675552
First he's given a hard time by the foreign store clerk, then he meets a hot headed cop looking to pick a fight over jaywalking
Remember Reese Witherspoon and how she acted around the cops? See if Reese had been Michael Brown, her brains would have been on the sidewalk.
It's Not Right.
I get angry when I have to deal with foreign store clerks, or foreigners in general. I don't blame Michael Brown for doing the same.
I’ve never had a problem with a foreign-born store clerks, but I’ve seen quite a few American born blacks reacting with a chimpanzee fury to these same foreign-born store clerks. The Latoya’s and DeShawn’s of America’s cities just can’t seem to get a long with anybody. I watched that video. The bullied store clerk wasn’t the one with a bad attitude there. Michael Brown got what was coming to him.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675553
-Yes, much better to smear the officer who was, based on the evidence we have, trying to apprehend a criminal.
God forbid the truth comes out and reveals that Brown was not an angelic cherub who was mercilessly gunned down by a racist police officer for the crime of being black in public, but instead a recidivist violent criminal who was gunned down trying to steal the gun from a police officer who attempted to apprehend him.
This video of the crime he was being apprehended for, clearly supports the officer's side of the story, as does the links to Brown's rap sheet, his gang affiliations, his rap songs, selfies of him using drugs, etc.
These Rev Bacon types are in it entirely for themselves, and the communities they 'represent' are just too stupid to realize it.
How does it benefit the black community at large? To suppress the video causes them to go on believing the BS idea that the police might shoot them for no reason other than black skin. That they are being unjustly treated when they aren't. They go on to riot and loot and create behavior that actually does cause people to view them in a 'racist' manner (not to mention, causes some blacks to die in the process). Meanwhile, the rioting tears up their community and causes economic damage that can last for decades.
Once again, there does not appear to be a theft in the video. An alternate and imo better intetpretation is Brown is puchasing blunts for an underaged kid who appears to toss a wad of money on the counter. The pissed off, possibly illegal, ‘clerk’ confronts Brown telling Brown not to pass off beer and blonts to underaged blacks on the store premises. Young Brown treats it as a joke and walks out. Brown is neither robber nor bully, more of an immature punk. (HT Will Grigg , lewrockwell.com)
The podunk cops effort to smear Brown might condition future elderly white jurors, Drudge Report and Vdare readers, but not the target audience of rioters who get their news from WSHH.
Sadly Vdare has abandoned reporting on the nation question in favor of whinging about blacks and how the podunk cops are not aggressive enough.
If you're vigorously ignoring the video's contents.
What does it matter whether or not the shop keeper was an illegal. The crime is the same either way. Can you rob someone crossing the Rio Grande? Can you assault them? Just a hint the answer to both is 'no'.
If Brown came over to your house and shoved you around like Brown did to the shopkeeper did he commit assault? You bet your ass he did.
Now as to the officer since he was seriously injured in the assault by Brown even without the other crimes committed he was justified in using force. That is the law and that is why the DOJ is trying to keep this underwraps they want a genuine Trayvon for election time. This ain't it. This is a violent felon getting the inevitable results of his crimes.
You are right about one thing. There was no theft it was clearly a felony robbery by any definition.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675555
First he's given a hard time by the foreign store clerk, then he meets a hot headed cop looking to pick a fight over jaywalking
Remember Reese Witherspoon and how she acted around the cops? See if Reese had been Michael Brown, her brains would have been on the sidewalk.
It's Not Right.
I get angry when I have to deal with foreign store clerks, or foreigners in general. I don't blame Michael Brown for doing the same.
Cute, how you describe walking down a street blocking traffic as “jaywalking”.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675556
You expect cops to call for back up when someone is walking down the street blocking traffic? Once Wilson attempted to get Brown out of the street, Brown used deadly force against Wilson.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675557
Retarded. The claim is he assaulted the officer and they fought for control of his gun.
Sadly, he was one of many people doing the job of keeping violence away from you, which is what enables you to glibly denounce him without really knowing what happened.
May a good boi assault you in the near future so you have the opportunity (a few seconds anyway) to reconsider your views.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675564
Norman Finkelstein on Gaza conflict, Hamas goals and Iron Dome myth
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675567
“This is what atheism and agnosticism lead to–a rejection of civilization and a return to tribalistic barbarianism.”
You have it all wrong. Athiesm and agnosticism go hand-in-hand with “colorblind” multicultural universalism. See: Quakers and Unitarians (and increasingly these days, mainline Protestantism). Deracinated universalism (whose adherents are 99.999% SWPL) rejects tribalism and clannishness. Sounds good in theory (if you’re still in high school), but as Steve or one of his commenters said a while back, there is no prize for being the last group to retribalize. The grand Deist experiment (the United States) has proven a failure. Examples of this are so easy to find that you’d have to be willfully blind to not notice.
As far as barbarism goes, MY tribe hasn’t been especially barbaric in many centuries. It’s none of my concern if other tribes are, as long as they don’t encroach upon my space. I’ll have to mostly agree with the commenter that you quoted: I care just as much about the negro tribes as they care about mine. I’m not that concerned if you or anyone else thinks that this doesn’t make us “any better” than them. This grand game that we’ve been forced to play isn’t won by moral posturing. It’s a game of survival. I plan to survive and prosper and do my damnedest to help my extended family do the same. If the negroes have a “plight” or “barriers” or suffer from “discrimination”, well, none of that is my fault and none of that is my problem. As long as they don’t make it my problem, they are free to despoil their areas as they see fit.
If they were a better people, I could consider them neighbors. Not family, but neighbors. As it stands, they make awful neighbors, both on a micro and macro level. As far as I am concerned, they’re undeclared enemies. They are your enemies too, and you’d see that if you let yourself see it. Don’t worry about retaining the moral high ground. It’s meaningless. The high ground to take and hold is wealth, power, territory, and cultural integrity.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675568
If Michael had paid for those cigars...and the police released that video purposefully making him look a thief...
Than some white cops need be fired.
White people always go for the truth. That's what being white means. If a white person does not adhere to the truth...you can't defend them.
“Being white” is a nonsensical concept dreamed up by deracinated Americans who notice that most of the world can handle civilization, but the negroes cannot. Are Asians “being white” when they obey laws and fail to resort to violence because of “muh self-esteem”?
You seem like a clueless, pasty refugee of Alex Jones-type libertarian morons. Collect your drool and go back to watching his nutty rants.
Even in slum neighborhoods, roughly 3/4 of the population is fairly unproblematic. Somewhat north of a third of the black population lives nestled unobtrusively in the larger society.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675574
Ridiculous. The central claim is that Brown assaulted the officer. If that claim is true, by firing his weapon he was doing the job that keeps violence away from you, so that you can, from a position of total ignorance, denounce him. Give your head a few good shakes.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675578
BTW, Steve regularly cautions readers that a lot of the information needed to arrive at a proper conclusion in these matters takes time to come to the fore- usually because of deliberate obfuscation on the part of the authorities, or blatant lying on the part of witnesses, etc. We're seeing that now too, as usual. I'm not saying Wilson's a monster, I don't believe that- I don't have any idea, but I doubt it. The Sharptonite charades are deplorable. But it's fair game to ask why less force couldn't have been employed.
"he couldn’t know that Brown didn’t have a knife" and we just couldn't know if Saddam had nukes. I'm sure, along with begin Superman, Brown was a knife throwing expert. The cop may not have know Brown didn't have a knife, but Brown definitely knew the cop had a gun. You sound like a neocon.
"Deal with it"- you sure you shouldn't be commenting at HuffPo or Jezebel?; your snarky pettiness isn't contributing anything here.
Have you ever discharged a firearm? Do you have any idea how often someone shot in self-defense proceeds to attack the shooter? Do you know anything about the degree of neutralization that occurs from bullet wounds on various parts of the body? Do you know how quickly someone in fear for his life can shoot a firearm?
Don’t bother answering, you’ve made it clear that your answer to all of these questions is, “Uh…no.”
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675587
OT:
I have been experimenting with putting isteve themes to work in the financial markets. Right now I like the setup to short CiNemarK, a movie theater, on the premise that near critical-mass vibrancy is discouraging the steady money from movie going, at least until the ‘upscale’ theater brands in development at all the major exhibitors are operational.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675592
It's unfortunate post-WWII Jews assimilated into a far-left liberal WASP* (or at best, Rockefeller Progressive "Republican") identity. Their progressive WASP identity is what led many of them to support lib WASP Ned Lamont's primary campaign against Joe Lieberman.
They're more interested in impressing coastal gentile liberals who have basically the same opinion of Tea Partiers.
* Who were those conservative post-WWII WASPs we keep hearing about again? Howard Dean III? I'm sure the anti-semite brain trust will have no trouble identifying those legions of right wing WASPs that supposedly existed after the New Deal.
Yes, Jews are the real WASPs. You are brilliant.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675593
Karen:
“Do you want a world where the cops can shoot to kill at the very first provocation?”
Nope. I also don’t want to live in a world where 300 lb intoxicated negroes rip off Apu at the Quickie Mart, do the Dougie down the center of a busy street, and try to wrestle pistols away from police officers. I’d also like to not live in a world where Section 8 troglodytes think that it’s ok to loot and burn their own neighborhoods. I also don’t want to live in a world where Barbadian multattoes use the full power of the state to pursue and punish anyone who commits a “civil rights” violation (civil rights, of course, in 2014, means nothing more or less than making negroes feel good about themselves. Make a negro upset: Civil Rights Vilolation!!).
I can’t change the whole world, but I can change where I live. Up near the Canadian border in the Northeast we don’t have to worry about militarized police, no-knock raids, and people being gunned down in the streets. Why? Because we’re insulated from all the crap that requires such heavy handedness. I’ll leave you to infer the reasons for us being able to get away with Mayberry PD vs. what we’ve been seeing in the news recently.
Cops there crack skulls.
Since Libs have been promoting Castro for so long, how about the Castroite system in the black hoods?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675607
First he's given a hard time by the foreign store clerk, then he meets a hot headed cop looking to pick a fight over jaywalking
Remember Reese Witherspoon and how she acted around the cops? See if Reese had been Michael Brown, her brains would have been on the sidewalk.
It's Not Right.
I get angry when I have to deal with foreign store clerks, or foreigners in general. I don't blame Michael Brown for doing the same.
No one’s blaming Brown for feeling angry; they’re blaming him for stealing, or attempting to steal from a “foreign store clerk” and, when the clerk confronted Brown over it, to roughing him up.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675617
The police have to have a certain franchise to maintain order. That has consequences from time to time. Ordinary people understand the consequences as something regrettable but unavoidable, not something with which you are ‘glad’. Lots of malicious non-ordinary people on this board.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675618
Karen, did Brown attempt to take the officer’s weapon away or not? Was he charging the officer or not?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675619
First he's given a hard time by the foreign store clerk, then he meets a hot headed cop looking to pick a fight over jaywalking
Remember Reese Witherspoon and how she acted around the cops? See if Reese had been Michael Brown, her brains would have been on the sidewalk.
It's Not Right.
I get angry when I have to deal with foreign store clerks, or foreigners in general. I don't blame Michael Brown for doing the same.
Has it ever occurred to anyone that Brown was being repetitively treated like shit?
No, because we have no reason to believe that. He stole property from a convenience store and strong-armed the store manager. It’s there on tape.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675620
You seem like a clueless, pasty refugee of Alex Jones-type libertarian morons. Collect your drool and go back to watching his nutty rants.
“Being white” is a nonsensical concept dreamed up by deracinated Americans who notice that most of the world can handle civilization, but the negroes cannot.
Even in slum neighborhoods, roughly 3/4 of the population is fairly unproblematic. Somewhat north of a third of the black population lives nestled unobtrusively in the larger society.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675622
The podunk cops effort to smear Brown might condition future elderly white jurors, Drudge Report and Vdare readers, but not the target audience of rioters who get their news from WSHH.
Sadly Vdare has abandoned reporting on the nation question in favor of whinging about blacks and how the podunk cops are not aggressive enough.
Once again, there does not appear to be a theft in the video.
If you’re vigorously ignoring the video’s contents.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675625
Norman Finkelstein on Gaza conflict, Hamas goals and Iron Dome myth
Finkelstein is an utter buffoon. Why is he being quoted on this topic?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675626
but I’ve seen quite a few American born blacks reacting with a chimpanzee fury to these same foreign-born store clerks.
Non ci credo.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675629
Is Michael Brown A National Hero?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675631
http://www.city-data.com/city/Lee-s-Summit-Missouri.html#b
That looks like a decent place for White people trying to escape Bantuson, excuse me I mean Ferguson.
It’s a suburb of Kansas City and it’s all the way across the state.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675632
There are 14,000 blacks living in Ferguson. Abou 97% of them are indubitably at home at night.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675633
Anon, are you confused or just dishonest?
According to Wikipedia (citing the ADL and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs):
“According to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Anti-Defamation League, a total of 1,194 Israelis and foreigners were killed[7][8] and 7,000 wounded[9] between September 2000 and August 2010 by Palestinian terror attacks (most of them during 2000–2005 Second Intifada); while more than 3,000 Israelis[10][11] have been killed and 25,000 have been wounded as a result of Palestinian violence and hostile enemy action (without including wars) since the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 until today. Another 685 Jewish residents of Mandatory Palestine were killed between 1920 and 1947 as a result of Arab riots, British anti-Zionist operations and World War II attacks.[12][13]”
Palestinian casualties have been much higher than Israeli casualties over the same time period, including during the Arab-Israeli War and from 2005-2011 (the most recent year included).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#Fatalities_1948.E2.80.932011
Even if you add Israeli military casualties from wars the death total is still nowhere near 25,000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_casualties_of_war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675638
Non ci credo.
Yeah well, I lived for 8 years in the Shaw area of DC and three years in Columbia Hts, and I saw it every day. But you keep your mind clean, and believe what you want.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675656
Typical. Tea Party Conservatives go out of their way to defend Israel/Likud/Netanhayu against Hamas, but Jews like Reiner compare TP with Hamas.
Some gratitude.
Odds are pretty overwhelming that Reiner hates Netanyahu and Likud; most liberal American Jews do. Somehow, that fact consistently eludes Steve and most of his commenters.
BTW, Hamas was not aiming its attacks on Likudniks but was aiming at everyone living in Israel – left, right, religious, secular, Jewish, Arab and anyone else who might be there.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675663
Yeah well, I lived for 8 years in the Shaw area of DC and three years in Columbia Hts, and I saw it every day. But you keep your mind clean, and believe what you want.
Lived for eight years in Baltimore and Rochester, N.Y. in sketchy neighborhoods adjacent to slums. Every once in a while, you’d see a verbal confrontation between service personnel and a black customer. Not common. Worked night shifts too at a local hospital. Troublesome characters appear in the E.D. at odd hours, but seldom all that obstreperous.
Modal type among customers would be a black woman approx. early 20s. Sorry, not buying what you’re selling.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675683
@Art Deco – I admire your attempts to keep it reasonable & fact-based. I teach part time at a community college in downtown Kansas City where about half of my colleagues & students are black. And, for the most part, they’re great – friendly, public-spirited, hoping for a good job & ready to work to get it.
If only they could leave the undertow behind, instead of identifying with it, every time a conflict arises.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675688
Odds are pretty overwhelming that Reiner hates Netanyahu and Likud; most liberal American Jews do.
Then wouldn’t you expect the likes of Senator Charles Schumer and Bill Maher to also hate Netanyahu and Likud? Yet, strangely, they do not.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675693
"Do you want a world where the cops can shoot to kill at the very first provocation?"
Nope. I also don't want to live in a world where 300 lb intoxicated negroes rip off Apu at the Quickie Mart, do the Dougie down the center of a busy street, and try to wrestle pistols away from police officers. I'd also like to not live in a world where Section 8 troglodytes think that it's ok to loot and burn their own neighborhoods. I also don't want to live in a world where Barbadian multattoes use the full power of the state to pursue and punish anyone who commits a "civil rights" violation (civil rights, of course, in 2014, means nothing more or less than making negroes feel good about themselves. Make a negro upset: Civil Rights Vilolation!!).
I can't change the whole world, but I can change where I live. Up near the Canadian border in the Northeast we don't have to worry about militarized police, no-knock raids, and people being gunned down in the streets. Why? Because we're insulated from all the crap that requires such heavy handedness. I'll leave you to infer the reasons for us being able to get away with Mayberry PD vs. what we've been seeing in the news recently.
“Do you want a world where the cops can shoot to kill at the very first provocation?”
The thing is cops have to deal with provocations 24/7.
Cuba has more blacks proportionately than the US, but blacks there don’t riot.
Cops there crack skulls.
Since Libs have been promoting Castro for so long, how about the Castroite system in the black hoods?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675694
If only they could leave the undertow behind, instead of identifying with it, every time a conflict arises.
Well put. The blacks I work with are almost all members of the Talented Tenth. I have great sympathy for them. But I can’t abide the dishonesty of the Narrative. Often–as in the case of WWG–they can see through the Narrative. But in this case they’re totally under its spell.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675700
There you are just simply wrong. Brown assaulted Ofc. Wilson as Wilson was attempting to exit his vehicle. Wilson’s medical records and x-rays prove that:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown
Even the most biased pro-Brown witness agrees that Brown entered Wilson’s police vehicle and assaulted him there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfy5FiqzWHI
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675707
Bubba you are entirely wrong, him charging while being shot six times and then being dropped matches the autopsy, honest witness reports, officer’s wounds, and the situation. If you knew anything about shooting, assaults, the habits and psychology of criminals especially strong arm robbers you would know how wrong you are.
That's a distinct possibility. Look more closely at what I wrote.
" If you knew anything about..." Ah, but I do.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675710
The problem today, is that there are forces that will come down hard on whites if they dare form a identity movement like Mecha, Atzlan, ADL, let alone a version of the BPL, etc.
Tribalism for everyone but whites. ADL, ACLU and SPLC are all cool with Atzlan, Mecha, Black Panthers, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, etc. But if they get a whif of whites organizing, out come the lawyers, judges and Federal government to smash'em.
Somebody is very afraid of us waking up and taking stock.
I’ve never heard of the ADL, SPLC, ACLU being “cool” with the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas. The MB and Hamas don’t have an official presence in the US like the other groups you mention. The ADL does report on Muslim groups in the report and is generally not “cool” with them but quite suspicious and hostile to them.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/07/adls_interfaith_summer_camp_infiltrated_by_supporters_of_al_qaeda_terrorist.html
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675717
Karen, I don’t know if you are an imbecile or trolling either way your understanding of the situation is entirely wrong. First, Brown committed assault and robbery, by itself enough to be shot for legally by a police officer or citizen. Second, Brown committed first/second degree assault against an officer again all by itself enough to get him shot.
Finally, our little angel who already committed a minimum of three felonies in as many minutes charges at the badly wounded officer. Now since you know nothing about law enforcement or police training (evident by your ignorant post) I’ll make something clear. While they are trained to deal with unarmed suspects that does not make them ‘Superman’ or Jackie Chan. Brown was a violent jacked up felon who had already demonstrated that the officer could not physically subdue him. Anytime before that the officer would have been justified in a shoot if Brown did not immediately surrender or if he had been in the commission of any of those three felonies (that we know of) since he had already committed felony assault and robbery not once but twice in the case of the officer seriously injuring the officer he could have been legally and ethically shot running away because he would have been a fleeing felon and a danger to the public.
This scenario is taught in the police academies around the country and the training is if the guy is going to injure or kill you you can use deadly force to stop him. Once you begin shooting you shoot to kill. You shoot for center mass or head shot and you continue shooting until he is no longer a threat. As long as a three hundred pound 6’4″ man who has already broken your eye socket is charging you, you keep pulling the trigger. That’s the ethical, legal, and proper way to deal with it. A civilian would have the same right of self defense in that situation.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675719
Don't bother answering, you've made it clear that your answer to all of these questions is, "Uh...no."
“Have you ever discharged a firearm?” I go hunting about 4 times a year (3-duck, 1-caribou), and go to a range as many times again.
“Do you have any idea how often …” No, enlighten me. Got some stats?
“Do you know anything about the degree of neutralization that occurs ? Yes.
“Do you know how quickly someone in fear for his life can shoot a firearm? Yes, which is why I agree with the idea Wilson may have fired in rapid succession out of legitimate fear, and said so above. But seeing how none of us know the specific chain of events, we should hold off on final judgement. Distance that can be covered in 1.5 seconds doesn’t mean much when we don’t know the actual distance to be covered.
I’ll say it again: acknowledging Brown was a criminal/in the wrong, and that Wilson is not an evil racist white cop, does not mean it’s irrational to wonder if less force could have been used. “Wonder” does not mean second-guess or MMQ, it means, given that we don’t know what happened, it remains well within the realm of possibility too much force was used, as that chimes with a national trend of police overkill.
“Don’t bother answering…” Then why bother asking?
BubbaJoe
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675724
The podunk cops effort to smear Brown might condition future elderly white jurors, Drudge Report and Vdare readers, but not the target audience of rioters who get their news from WSHH.
Sadly Vdare has abandoned reporting on the nation question in favor of whinging about blacks and how the podunk cops are not aggressive enough.
Are you that ignorant of the law? Even if he was working with an under age accomplice and ‘threw the money on the counter’ it is still robbery. You do understand that the shopkeeper cannot sell those items and did not sell those items to an underage child. It is clear that the shopkeeper was therefore robbed physical force was used you are aware that the tiniest physical force or threat of force in theft of an object turns that theft into a robbery?
What does it matter whether or not the shop keeper was an illegal. The crime is the same either way. Can you rob someone crossing the Rio Grande? Can you assault them? Just a hint the answer to both is ‘no’.
If Brown came over to your house and shoved you around like Brown did to the shopkeeper did he commit assault? You bet your ass he did.
Now as to the officer since he was seriously injured in the assault by Brown even without the other crimes committed he was justified in using force. That is the law and that is why the DOJ is trying to keep this underwraps they want a genuine Trayvon for election time. This ain’t it. This is a violent felon getting the inevitable results of his crimes.
You are right about one thing. There was no theft it was clearly a felony robbery by any definition.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675727
BubbaJoe says: “I’m not saying Wilson’s a monster, I don’t believe that- I don’t have any idea, but I doubt it. The Sharptonite charades are deplorable. But it’s fair game to ask why less force couldn’t have been employed.”
Serious question here: What would you have suggested that Wilson do? What means of “less force” do you suggest? That he fight and wrestle with a guy that outweighed him by more than 80 pounds? Why would that be a reasonable thing to ask a police officer to do? AFAIK, Wilson did not have a taser or stun gun or other “non-lethal” weapon.
Brown’s situation is very similar to Trayvon Martin’s in that ALL he had to do to be alive was to keep his hands to himself. That’s it. Nothing else. When you violently attack another person, you should consider the possibility you may not win the confrontation. However that requires a level of self-control that neither St. Skittles nor Innocent Child Brown possessed.
Karen says: “The police are, in theory, trained to corral unarmed suspects without killing anyone”.
They are trained to first issue commands. Then when those commands are ignored then to proceed with an arrest. When the “unarmed suspect” proceeds to resist arrest, then the situation changes. Resisting arrest is a felony and will therefore be treated as such.
It has now come to light that Wilson had an orbital socket fracture – cops are not trained to corral “unarmed suspects” that punch them in the face hard enough to break a bone. Therefore, Wilson was not in the wrong, he was in the right.
Now a serious question for you Karen. What is wrong with you? What thought process led you to the belief that somebody should be able to resist arrest and punch in the face a police officer and have there be no ramifications?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675728
“It’s a suburb of Kansas City and it’s all the way across the state”
Many cases of White flight involve leaving the state altogether, so moving to a different city in the same state is nothing.
My grandmother White flighted out of predominantly Black Newark, New Jersey to start a new life in 94 percent Non Hispanic White Palm Beach, Florida.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675729
Any time a murderous robber is removed from society, the law abiding are safer. And that makes me glad. Doesn’t it make you glad?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675730
Karen, I don’t know if you are an imbecile or trolling either way your understanding of the situation is entirely wrong. First, Brown committed assault and robbery, by itself enough to be shot for legally by a police officer or citizen. Second, Brown committed first/second degree assault against an officer again all by itself enough to get him shot.
Finally, our little angel who already committed a minimum of three felonies in as many minutes charges at the badly wounded officer. Now since you know nothing about law enforcement or police training (evident by your ignorant post) I’ll make something clear. While they are trained to deal with unarmed suspects that does not make them ‘Superman’ or Jackie Chan. Brown was a violent jacked up felon who had already demonstrated that the officer could not physically subdue him. Anytime before that the officer would have been justified in a shoot if Brown did not immediately surrender or if he had been in the commission of any of those three felonies (that we know of) since he had already committed felony assault and robbery not once but twice in the case of the officer seriously injuring the officer he could have been legally and ethically shot running away because he would have been a fleeing felon and a danger to the public.
This scenario is taught in the police academies around the country and the training is if the guy is going to injure or kill you you can use deadly force to stop him. Once you being shooting you shoot to kill. You shoot for center mass or head shot and you continue shooting until he is no longer a threat. As long as a three hundred pound 6’4″ man who has already broken your eye socket is charging you, you keep pulling the trigger. That’s the ethical, legal, and proper way to deal with it. A civilian would have the same right of self defense in that situation.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675732
“Have you ever discharged a firearm?” I go hunting 4 times a year (3 duck/1 caribou) and go to a range as many times again.
“Do you have any idea how often someone shot in self-defense proceeds to attack the shooter?” No, enlighten me. Got some stats?
“Do you know anything about the degree of neutralization that occurs from bullet wounds on various parts of the body? ” Yes.
“Do you know how quickly someone in fear for his life can shoot a firearm?”
Yes, which is why I agree with the idea Wilson may have fired in rapid fashion out of legitimate fear, and said so above. That he may have acted appropriately I don’t deny, I just don’t know if he did, and neither do you. I’ll say it again: the fact Brown was a criminal, and that Wilson is not an evil racist white cop, does not mean one shouldn’t wonder if too much force was used. “Wonder” does not mean second- guessing/MMQ. It means, because we still don’t know the exact chain of events, it remains well within the realm of possibility too much forced was employed, as that claim chimes with a national trend of police overkill.
“Don’t bother answering…” Then why bother asking, lad?
BubbaJoe
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675734
Okay, then, loudmouth…the very next time a 250 lb ghetto street thug commences to pounding your head into the pavement, please get back to us.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675738
“Bubba you are entirely wrong…”
That’s a distinct possibility. Look more closely at what I wrote.
” If you knew anything about…” Ah, but I do.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675739
You mean, the Israeli Jewish population.
Okay, so if we can get a figure for how many Arabs have been killed by Jews over the same period, we’ll be cooking with gas. We should probably also break Palestinians and Israelis out of those figures, too.
I wasn’t actually comparing Arab on Jew with white on black with that comment. Just wanted to clarify that. I was just comparing the small number of Jews killed (admittedly, I should have said in recent years) in rocket attacks and the like with the larger number (of all backgrounds) killed by blacks in America. YT has to pay for a lot of those funerals, pay for the policing, suffer much of the consequences, without necessarily being the victims of the murders.
I am curious about the 25k though, and would like to see some sources.
I’d also be interested in the timeline. I.e., what’s the death total for the last 10 years, or the last 20. Beyond that is stretching into irrelevance, particularly if there’s been a drop-off.
I was wondering about that, too. Have Anglo-Saxons completely withdrawn from the US military the way Jews have? Because the latter are practically non-existent (in statistical terms) in our armed forces, while I seriously doubt Anglo-Saxons are. This would be another wide divergence between American Jews and their supposed Anglo-Saxon role models.
That’s as sure as the sun rising, my friend.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675740
Arabs have killed 25K Jews over the last 70 years. That’s 0.5% of Israel’s Jewish population today. 0.5% of the US’s white population today is 1m whites. Over the past 70 years, that’s 14,000 a year. The actual number of annual black on white murders in recent years is ~400. Extrapolate that back 70 years, and you have 28K dead whites, or 0.014%. Another way of of putting this is that the Jewish death rate at the hands of Arabs is 35x the white death rate at the hands of blacks.
Ok, how did you arrive at 25,000 Jews killed by Arabs? Does this number include Jews killed in battle with the Egyptians, Syrians and Jordanians? Does it include Jews who lived in Arab nations?
My original comment was probably not specific enough. I was referring to the muslim-on-Jew crime rate in Israel versus the black-on-white crime rate in the USA. In Israel proper, and the West Bank and Gaza too, do muslims kill and rape Jews in Israel at the same clip or higher than blacks do to whites in the USA?
Do you have any numbers from recent years showing homicides and rapes in Israel?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675741
No, refresh my memory. Did Reese Witherspoon push an officer into his vehicle, punch him in the face (causing an orbital blowout fracture to his eye socket), wrestle him for his gun (discharging it in the vehicle), and then charge at him at full speed? Did she grow to 6’4″ and 300 lbs before going on her rampage?
Hold on, lemme check…yep, nobody’s blaming Brown for being angry.
Yeah, one more thing, shitbird. Pick a handle and stick to it.
Maybe. I think lower population density (there are actually rural blacks in the south, and plenty of them) has a lot to do with it. Much lower segregation than Yankeeland is another factor; people have to get used to dealing with one another under non-Yankee-levels of integration. Then there’s my suspicion that the more troublesome blacks left for cities elsewhere in the years after manumission.
Brown was trying to arm himself by doing grievous bodily harm to a police officer.
So, you’re thinking Brown was guilty of attempted 2nd degree murder, instead of 1st degree. I can see that.
The police are trained to subdue belligerent suspects with force, up to and including the lethal kind, when they or civilians are threatened with serious bodily harm.
A radio is not going to protect you from a charging, 6’4″, 300 lb suspect who’s already shown his propensity for violence (by giving you an orbital blowout fracture (whatever that is) in your eye socket) and intention of taking your weapon.
Taking notes is not going to protect you from a charging, 6’4″, 300 lb suspect who’s already shown his propensity for violence (by giving you an orbital blowout fracture (whatever that is) in your eye socket) and intention of taking your weapon.
Shooting six times (or, more precisely, until hostilities cease) is going to protect you from a charging, 6’4″, 300 lb suspect who’s already shown his propensity for violence (by giving you an orbital blowout fracture (whatever that is) in your eye socket) and intention of taking your weapon.
And shooting a 6’4″, 300 lb suspect who’s already shown his propensity for violence (by giving you an orbital blowout fracture (whatever that is) in your eye socket) and intention of taking your weapon, and is now charging you (in full knowledge of the fact that you’re armed with a semiautomatic defense pistol and trained in its use) is not an execution, it’s self-defense.
If that is so, you’ve failed to make your case. Wilson will be exonerated and suffer no negative consequences from the gov’t or his department for his actions surrounding Brown’s death. That’s my prediction. I called the Zimmerman trial and I feel confident calling this one much earlier. Because there’s no “there” there.
I don’t feel confident asking you to do the same.
I suppose that depends on the provocation in question. But yes, I want to live in a world where an armed person (cop or no) can, in self-defense, discharge his firearm at a 6’4″, 300 lb suspect who’s already shown his propensity for violence (by giving him an orbital blowout fracture (whatever that is) in his eye socket) and intention of taking his weapon, and is now charging him (in full knowledge of the fact that he’s armed with a semiautomatic defense pistol and trained in its use).
You semi-literates have changed little since the Zimmerman incident.
Blacks don’t believe this for a second. They are routinely rude to and belligerent with cops, they swagger around wearing gang clothes, playing the thug at high rates. If they were really afraid (at all) of being murdered by white cops just for being black, they might pull their pants up, put on belts, tuck in their shirts, stand up straight, and comport themselves with a smidgen of discipline.
I have yet to see the video. All accounts I’ve read of it said a clerk tried to block 6’4″, 300 lb Brown’s egress from the store. If that is true, why in God’s name would he do that over something as trivial as handing off blunts inside the store?
I fail to see anything malicious about not regretting Brown’s death. Or even thinking the world’s better off without him in it.
Blacks take their heroes where they can find them.
One could well say the same thing about the Palestinians.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675746
Bzzt. Wrong.
We now know that the cop was seriously injured and that multiple witnesses support the cop’s version.
Cops generally use too much violence in different circumstances. In the case of Brown and the new case of the knife-wielding would-be robber in St Louis, they did not.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675748
Neocon site reporting on ADL collaboration with radical Islamists:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/07/adls_interfaith_summer_camp_infiltrated_by_supporters_of_al_qaeda_terrorist.html
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675757
Sure, the msm is protraying this incorrectly, as usual. And intentionally missing the larger issue. Which is how cops have militarized. Do we want law enforcement to look like an occupying military force?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675765
I don’t begrudge anyone the right to question Wilson’s actions, as long as they’re good questions. I do object to silly Monday-morning quarterbacking over the number of shots fired. As long as they’re all fired while the (charging) perp is still on his feet, the number is justified in my mind. Again, check out that study I linked above (did you? It’s an easy read.); dangerous, belligerent perps often take many rounds to the torso without dropping. If nothing strikes the central nervous system, there’s no reasonable expectation of the target dropping. If nothing strikes the critical points of the circulatory system, there isn’t even a reasonable expectation of the target dropping any time soon from blood loss.
As for wondering if too much force was used, of course I’d never begrudge anyone that right. I just see no justification for it in this case, at all. Everything I’ve seen about this case indicates that it was a righteous shoot, or more appropriately, that we have no reason to think anything was out of line.
I wonder about all sorts of things, I see no reason to wonder too much about this shooting.
Rhetorical Question
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675766
I do see a reason to wonder why President Hussein has dispatched 40+ FBI agents and the Attorney General to Ferguson to investigate Wilson and his department. I do see reason to wonder why blacks think it’s okay to burn down buildings, loot businesses, throw Molotov cocktails and bricks at cops, and generally chimp out over this. I do see reason to wonder why our media is so keen to exploit and distort this affair. I do see reason to wonder about quite a lot of things along these lines. So, maybe all my wondering time is being used elsewhere, I dunno.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675769
Christine Byers, crime reporter of the St. Louis paper, said that police sources indicate that a dozen witnesses confirmed the officer’s account, at which point she deletes her previous tweets, says she is on FMLA leave, and that previous tweets were not fit for publication. This is what narrative-shaping looks like.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675774
Even if he did, they’re unreliable. I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t go for unreliable when a 6’4″, 300 lb belligerent (who has already assaulted me, resulting in an “orbital blowout fracture” in my eye socket, and gone for my gun, resulting in a discharge) charges at me and I have no backup.
Saint Skittles works for me, but I prefer “Gentle Giant” for Brown.
See, this is something I’ve been wondering about since the beginning: (typical) police ROE and when it’s acceptable to shoot a perp in the back. On TV shows, cops seem to go to Herculean lengths to avoid shooting perps in the back. In fact, the impression that TV shows give is that it’s illegal for them to shoot a fleeing suspect (who isn’t pointing a gun at someone) in the back, under any circumstances. But this never made much sense to me; what if he’s armed and likely to shoot someone, if the officer loses track of him? What if he’s a serial killer, or has a hostage somewhere that he may very well go and kill, etc?
In my mind, someone who has just committed a grievous assault on a cop and tried to take his weapon has demonstrated himself to be a serious threat to the public, and should apprehended, period; he should be shot if his escape seems imminent, even if that means shooting him in the back. But obviously I don’t make the rules.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675776
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/07/adls_interfaith_summer_camp_infiltrated_by_supporters_of_al_qaeda_terrorist.html
The ADL doesn’t collaborate with nor is it “cool” with the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675779
Among White police officers who work in cities with a high percentage of Blacks, I wonder what percentage of them have secretly developed Jared Taylor like views on Blacks ?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675787
Haha, I just saved the Twitter page in question about an hour ago. I don’t know if it’s the full Monty, though; a note at the top said I was using an old browser (User Agent Switcher) and was seeing the mobile version as a result. The responses were a litany of derision from SWPLs who I assumed were journalists or hangers-on.
If she really was a journalist caught disseminating facts, obviously heads should roll.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675789
Christine Byers
Christine Byers
@ChristineDByers
Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop’s version of events in shooting #Ferguson
2:30 a.m. Tue, Aug 19
Todd C. Frankel Todd C. Frankel @tcfrankel 10h
! “@ChristineDByers: Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop’s version of events in shooting #Fergusonâ€
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Brian Rie$ Brian Rie$ @moneyries 10h
@ChristineDByers find ‘em. don’t take their word for it.
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Speedy62269 Speedy62269 @Speedy62269 10h
@ChristineDByers @stlpublicradio Betcha they remain unnamed.
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Mary Wollstonecraft Mary Wollstonecraft @nayasala 10h
@ChristineDByers @ericasmith Silly, the police have had time to find them and coach them.
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Sol Robinson Sol Robinson @SolJewosaurus 10h
In breaking news, police say police are right. @ChristineDByers @blakehounshell
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Schtaunkhauser Schtaunkhauser @Schtaunkhauser 10h
@ChristineDByers @mattdpearce As long as the TRUTH comes out.
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Tracy Carlson Photo Tracy Carlson Photo @TheFuzzball 10h
@ChristineDByers @mattdpearce So why didn’t he call it in?
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Jim Sylvester Jim Sylvester @JVSylvester 10h
@ChristineDByers Fine, bring the charges, have the trial, call the witnesses, let the jury decide. @blakehounshell
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Barb Goins Barb Goins @BarbGoins 10h
@ChristineDByers @blakehounshell Until witnesses go public with that no one will believe the police.
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teamstersdaughter teamstersdaughter @teamsterdaughtr 10h
@ChristineDByers @mattdpearce Ask Darren Wilson to take a lie detector test Administered by the FBI just like any criminal suspect
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Price Price @cmebane75 10h
@ChristineDByers @blakehounshell His story being that he had to shoot an unarmed kid twice in the head because he was coming at him? Ok.
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Peein McKellan Peein McKellan @PeeinMcKellan 10h
LOL police sources tell you police did nothing wrong? @ChristineDByers @mattdpearce
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Dean Johnson Dean Johnson @DeanJohnson67 10h
@ChristineDByers Why would it take more than a week for this info to come out? Why don’t they release an incident report?
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M.o.E M.o.E @moejoe219 10h
@ChristineDByers @mattdpearce yea right and i have a bridge for sale
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Connie C. Keys Connie C. Keys @hotelkeys 10h
@ChristineDByers Convenient considering no one has heard the cop’s version. Where is the incident report? #Ferguson
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Brandi B. Brandi B. @ItsTheBrandi 10h
Wait. RT @ChristineDByers Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop’s version of events in shooting #Ferguson
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Olivia A. Cole Olivia A. Cole @RantingOwl 10h
Bye. RT @ChristineDByers: Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop’s version of events in shooting #Ferguson
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Just Plain Mike Just Plain Mike @maddux_boy 9h
@ChristineDByers Did those sources put a gun into Mike Brown’s hands too?
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Tracey Tracey @Ourtraceyboo 9h
@ChristineDByers What is the cops version, he made no report and hasn’t issued a statement?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675793
Media sure treat the truth like Brown treated the store clerk.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675794
I wonder if SWPL Lesbians and Feminists are angry right now that their “war on women” propaganda is taking a backseat to the “war on blacks” propaganda.
Nobody is talking about tax payer funded contraceptives and on demand abortions right now because is everybody focused on Michael Brown and Ferguson.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675795
Forgot to mention, concealed carry laws (and law enforcement in general) are generally much more citizen-friendly in southern states.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675804
Jefferson says:
“Among White police officers who work in cities with a high percentage of Blacks, I wonder what percentage of them have secretly developed Jared Taylor like views on Blacks ?”
I only have anecdotal evidence, but I understand an awful lot of retired (white) LAPD end up living in places like Coeur D’alene, Idaho. Presumably to get away from their former clients.
My brother was a police officer in a mid-sized Virginia city in the mid-to-late 90′s. He certainly developed those views along the way. One time I was doing a ride-along with him – we saw a black teenager just walking through a white residential neighborhood. We drove past him, circled around the block, and parked so he could observe the kid fairly unobtrusively, then said “I’ll bet you $5 he commits a crime before he’s out of our sight”. I just laughed. Then sure enough, the “youth” noticed a bicycle on somebody’s porch, looked around in all directions (somehow missing the marked police cruiser parked about 2 blocks away), ran up on the porch and started to ride away on the bike. After my brother arrested him and loaded him into the racistly-named Paddy Wagon, he told me to keep to myself the fact that we sat and watched the teen for no reason other than that he was black in a white neighborhood. Instead our story was we were just driving by and witnessed the theft.
Another sidebar: there are lots of “latinos” in that part of the country – not Mexicans but central american indians. We’d drive along, he’d see two or three in a car, then would say something like “I’ll bet you those tags don’t match the vehicle, and if they don’t, I will bet you that the person to whom the vehicle is registered will have a suspended license”. Three out of the next three “latino” filled cars had a) tags for a different car, and b) an owner with a suspended license (all three for DUI). We didn’t pull them over though, for he had no probable cause – we were just playing with the computer.
As you might imagine, my brother (an airline pilot for the last 15 years) is also anti-immivasion.
The problem with these threads is that you have a mess of people offering variations on a number of themes which are (a) manifestly stupid and (b) malicious. These would include the fellow who insisted that all poorly preforming health care workers are black, the other fellow who claims he sees random blacks ream people out in retail establishments on a daily basis, the other fellow who insisted blacks were 'incapable of civilization', the other fellow who insisted that blacks (who make up 11% of the workforce) are inconsequential to American history and social life, the other fellow who insisted that blacks are terrible reckless drivers and cost the community greatly and he'd seen it all (what he hadn't seen were the crude and age-adjusted death rates from motor vehicle accidents for blacks and whites, which, to the extent they differ, indicate blacks are less likely to get in road wrecks), and the other people complaining (sans any real number crunching) that blacks were a dependent population, &c. None of this has much to do with social reality (which is unhappy enough here, there, and the next place). It has a great deal to do with the regions in their minds. They loath blacks. And they are obsessed with blacks. (To which one of them adds a loathing of and obsession with Jews). There is no value to any of this.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675813
I made an earlier comment on Israeli/Palestinian casualties that didn’t make it past moderation for some reason. Anyway, the 25,000 Jews killed by Arabs claim that anon keeps making is false.
According to Wikipedia (citing the ADL and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs):
“According to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Anti-Defamation League, a total of 1,194 Israelis and foreigners were killed[7][8] and 7,000 wounded[9] between September 2000 and August 2010 by Palestinian terror attacks (most of them during 2000–2005 Second Intifada); while more than 3,000 Israelis[10][11] have been killed and 25,000 have been wounded as a result of Palestinian violence and hostile enemy action (without including wars) since the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 until today. Another 685 Jewish residents of Mandatory Palestine were killed between 1920 and 1947 as a result of Arab riots, British anti-Zionist operations and World War II attacks.[12][13]”
Palestinian casualties have been much higher than Israeli casualties over the same time period, including during the Arab-Israeli War and from 2005-2011 (the most recent year included).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#Fatalities_1948.E2.80.932011
Even if you add Israeli military casualties from wars the death total is still nowhere near 25,000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_casualties_of_war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675815
“by giving you an orbital blowout fracture (whatever that is) ”
The “orbit” is the bony conical-shaped structure that surrounds the eye. When a person is punched in the eye, because the eye is filled with fluid and therefore not compressible, the force has to go somewhere. What may, therefore, happen is the thin bone under the eye (inferior is the medical term) “blows out” into the maxillary sinus, and / or blows out sideways through the nasal bone.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2539037/
QUOTE:
An important concern in facial fracture patients is the possibility of ocular injury. The literature-reported incidences of ophthalmic injuries occurring with facial fracture spans from as low as 0.8% in one study (1) inclusive of all facial fractures, to as high as 30% in a study of blowout fractures (2). The visual outcomes of traumatic eye injuries are equally as varied, from temporary blurred vision, as seen in traumatic myadriasis, to complete blindness, as seen in severe retinal detachment (3). Understanding the incidence of ocular injuries and when subspecialty ophthalmological management is needed, is imperative to optimal patient care in the facial fracture population.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675829
Why isn’t the Marshmallow Man Michael Moore marching in Ferguson with the overwhelmingly Black protestors ?
After all he wrote a book called “Stupid White Men”, so he is obviously down with the Black power cause.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675832
In any event, there were countless conservative WASPs after Coolidge. Many of them were in the military, as Bendersky documented in his book. Even progressives like John Dewey were arch-conservatives when compared to the contemporaneous Jewish Left.
The Cold War era Progressive WASPs only appear moderate because they turned against the Soviet Union after 1945. But they did so only because Russia refused be a client state of the liberal West.
Before then, progressive WASPs were highly sympathetic to the Soviet Union and socialism, arguably they were more pro-Soviet before 1945 than were 1960s New Left student radicals. Ned Lamont’s grandfather, Corliss Lamont, was a prominent defender of the Soviet Union. Upton Sinclair was a socialist. The FDR administration’s spying on behalf of Russia (which was approved by FDR himself) was filled with pro Communist WASPs like Harry Hopkins. John Dewey wrote positive portrayals of Stalin’s Russia when he toured the country in the 1920s.
The Communist advocacy of turn of the century American Progressives can’t be explained by Russian Jews who arrived too recently, or German American Jews who leaned conservative and generally looked down on Russian Jews for class reasons. Neither can the defeat of the majority conservative WASPs and German Jews be blamed on Russian Jews – FDR’s WASP progressives accomplished that by turning them into liberal WASPs of the Souter mold or progressive Rockefeller Republicans.
Now, it is true pre-WWII WASPs were mostly conservatives (as were Jewish German elites). But the conservative WASPs were defeated by the minority of liberal WASPs, who were led by FDR. After WWII there conservative WASPs were few and far between.
The examples presented of conservative post-WWII Northeastern WASPs are fairly weak, Joe McCArthy was Irish. Henry Ford died in 1947 making his politics were pre-WWII WASP, and was explained, WASPs from this time were majority conservative.
Bob Taft is an example of a bonafide WASP conservative post WWII, however he was undermined by the progressive Republican WASP leadership in favor of Eisenhower. Liberal Rockefeller GOP WASPs later imposed George HW Bush on Reagan.
After the war, it’s clear WASPs were liberal, although there were some exceptions like Bob Taft. Adlai Stevenson, Ford Foundation Chairman McGeorge Bundy, The Episcopalian dominated Supreme Court where no Jews served from 1969-1994, John Lindsay, David Souter, John Paul Stevens, Senator Angus King, Nelson Rockefeller, etc.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675837
"Among White police officers who work in cities with a high percentage of Blacks, I wonder what percentage of them have secretly developed Jared Taylor like views on Blacks ?"
I only have anecdotal evidence, but I understand an awful lot of retired (white) LAPD end up living in places like Coeur D'alene, Idaho. Presumably to get away from their former clients.
My brother was a police officer in a mid-sized Virginia city in the mid-to-late 90's. He certainly developed those views along the way. One time I was doing a ride-along with him - we saw a black teenager just walking through a white residential neighborhood. We drove past him, circled around the block, and parked so he could observe the kid fairly unobtrusively, then said "I'll bet you $5 he commits a crime before he's out of our sight". I just laughed. Then sure enough, the "youth" noticed a bicycle on somebody's porch, looked around in all directions (somehow missing the marked police cruiser parked about 2 blocks away), ran up on the porch and started to ride away on the bike. After my brother arrested him and loaded him into the racistly-named Paddy Wagon, he told me to keep to myself the fact that we sat and watched the teen for no reason other than that he was black in a white neighborhood. Instead our story was we were just driving by and witnessed the theft.
Another sidebar: there are lots of "latinos" in that part of the country - not Mexicans but central american indians. We'd drive along, he'd see two or three in a car, then would say something like "I'll bet you those tags don't match the vehicle, and if they don't, I will bet you that the person to whom the vehicle is registered will have a suspended license". Three out of the next three "latino" filled cars had a) tags for a different car, and b) an owner with a suspended license (all three for DUI). We didn't pull them over though, for he had no probable cause - we were just playing with the computer.
As you might imagine, my brother (an airline pilot for the last 15 years) is also anti-immivasion.
Your brother is making actuarial calculations making use of a datum with some correlates useful to him. Not to do that is to advocate massive inefficiencies in law enforcement. You have more social problems here than there, the marginal utility of deploying more cops varies from here to there, the optimal distribution of students among educational programs varies from here to there. And people make rough and ready adjustments to circumstance to get through the day better even if it offends Tim Wise.
The problem with these threads is that you have a mess of people offering variations on a number of themes which are (a) manifestly stupid and (b) malicious. These would include the fellow who insisted that all poorly preforming health care workers are black, the other fellow who claims he sees random blacks ream people out in retail establishments on a daily basis, the other fellow who insisted blacks were ‘incapable of civilization’, the other fellow who insisted that blacks (who make up 11% of the workforce) are inconsequential to American history and social life, the other fellow who insisted that blacks are terrible reckless drivers and cost the community greatly and he’d seen it all (what he hadn’t seen were the crude and age-adjusted death rates from motor vehicle accidents for blacks and whites, which, to the extent they differ, indicate blacks are less likely to get in road wrecks), and the other people complaining (sans any real number crunching) that blacks were a dependent population, &c. None of this has much to do with social reality (which is unhappy enough here, there, and the next place). It has a great deal to do with the regions in their minds. They loath blacks. And they are obsessed with blacks. (To which one of them adds a loathing of and obsession with Jews). There is no value to any of this.
Please point us to that data.
The data I have seen from the CDC suggest that you are referring to numbers that have not been adjusted for ownership and use of motor vehicles. I am sure you know, as I do that blacks have a lower ownership and use of motor vehicles.
I am going to have to start calling you a lying weasel soon. Next you will want deaths from air accidents listed per 1,000 or 100,000 US residents.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675840
Yeah because Blacks + a Libertarian society is not a recipe for disaster at all. Look at how well Somalia is doing with their Black population + almost non existent government.
It is 100 percent fact that a Libertarian society can only work in a Whitopia or an East Asiantopia.
Moderator, please have responses directly below the comment for which the respondent is replying. Some of us don’t spend 24/7 making comments and tracking responses. There are now over 200 comments more than when I made my initial comment.
To Jefferson.
You said “It is 100 percent fact that a Libertarian society can only work in a Whitopia or an East Asiantopia.”
While it may come as a surprise to you, I agree that all races are not the same genetically let alone culturally. But actually, libertarianism is even a better option in races not suitable for European type civilization, although European civilizations would also be better off with a libertarian society. Non-European societies tend to be even more prone to tyrannical governments. If I had a choice, I would choose anarchy over a dictatorship or our current somewhat tyrannical government. So would most Somalis. Not that either is a good choice.
If there were no police, the mature male population in black neighborhoods would self-police their neighborhoods. As it is, that would never cross their mind, and even if it did, they would be called vigilantes and arrested.
Try to think out of the Homeland Security box.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675841
“The Cold War era Progressive WASPs…”
I believe you mean “Anglo Saxons”?
Please cease using the term “WASP.” It is offensive and dehumanizing.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675854
The problem with these threads is that you have a mess of people offering variations on a number of themes which are (a) manifestly stupid and (b) malicious. These would include the fellow who insisted that all poorly preforming health care workers are black, the other fellow who claims he sees random blacks ream people out in retail establishments on a daily basis, the other fellow who insisted blacks were 'incapable of civilization', the other fellow who insisted that blacks (who make up 11% of the workforce) are inconsequential to American history and social life, the other fellow who insisted that blacks are terrible reckless drivers and cost the community greatly and he'd seen it all (what he hadn't seen were the crude and age-adjusted death rates from motor vehicle accidents for blacks and whites, which, to the extent they differ, indicate blacks are less likely to get in road wrecks), and the other people complaining (sans any real number crunching) that blacks were a dependent population, &c. None of this has much to do with social reality (which is unhappy enough here, there, and the next place). It has a great deal to do with the regions in their minds. They loath blacks. And they are obsessed with blacks. (To which one of them adds a loathing of and obsession with Jews). There is no value to any of this.
You live in upstate New York. Like Juan Cole in affluent Ann Arbor, Michigan, weeping great tears over D’Antavious having to show legal ID at the voting booth in Greenville SC. Naturally, you are perplexed by all these racist attitudes about blacks. Your everyday experience is White, Whiteyville and a few upper-tier blacks who’ve opted for white society. When people who are around large numbers of blacks every day tell you their experiences, you can’t believe it because it doesn’t jive with your own experience. If you were posting from St. Louis or Baltimore you’d have a very different perspective.
If you were posting from St. Louis or Baltimore you’d have a very different perspective.
I used to live in Baltimore, a city of which I am fond. It has a history of misgovernment. It has the same problems central Rochester does: quite a mass of feral young men, women who have a disposition toward the world that sustains these feral qualities, perverse incentives and sclerosis in the labor market &c. They're worse in Baltimore, but different in degree rather than in kind. It does not have to be the way it is. There are, however, no equivalents of Rudolph Giuliani and William Bratton there (or in Rochester).
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675859
Steve, this is very OT, but I did just donate (keep up the good work Steve)..
Have you written or come across a good resource for what each IQ band looks like in person? Say you are talking to someone with a 100 point IQ vs say a 90. Visible tells? Can we pick up on differences relatively accurately to within a SD, but not less? How good are we at judging the IQ of others? I’d assume on average the ability is rather limited, or limited to a band of familiarity. How else to explain the highly verbal IQ 115′s that get put up on pedestals by the media as the ‘smartest politician evah’? Are we fooled by verbosity or vocabulary into over or underestimating IQ in others?
I’d love to see a grainy old black and white video or some such, with the old school researcher asking a bunch of volunteers a series of questions..
“and now we see Maud struggle to explain why it is that water forms on the outside of the glass..”
“Steve launches into an explanation of condensation and saturation limits before segueing into a long discussion on saturation photography and the death of film photography”
“Darren throws the glass at the wall in anger because ‘et be all leaky ‘n shit’”
That would be both hilarious and enlightening.
The 7 Tribes of Intellect
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675863
“These would include the fellow who insisted that all poorly preforming health care workers are black,…”
That’s not really what I said. I said that in my personal experience, the lower level caregivers that created conditions of discomfort for my father were black. I’d like to able to support it with statistics, but I can’t find any, so I only have my instincts to go buy now, like an animal in the jungle. Here’s an idea, let’s put cameras in every room that provides long term care for the brain injured and demented. People can do nasty, nasty things to folks they know are unreliable witnesses. I think McDonalds has stricter vetting than some nursing homes and home health care contractors. I promise this is my last word on the subject unless someone else raises it. I know it is quite off topic.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675870
If lesbians and feminists want more attention, they should riot more often.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675871
And where the hell is Steve? I don’t like this silence.
It's quiet, too damn quiet.
Actually Steve said he needed to do some stuff IRL.
He seems to be approving comments from time to time, so just be patient.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675873
Test
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675875
“Have you written or come across a good resource for what each IQ band looks like in person? Say you are talking to someone with a 100 point IQ vs say a 90. Visible tells? Can we pick up on differences relatively accurately to within a SD, but not less? How good are we at judging the IQ of others? I’d assume on average the ability is rather limited, or limited to a band of familiarity. How else to explain the highly verbal IQ 115′s that get put up on pedestals by the media as the ‘smartest politician evah’? Are we fooled by verbosity or vocabulary into over or underestimating IQ in others?”
They cover this in the Bell Curve, and the late Lawrence Auster wrote a great anecdotal piece on the subject. IQ is really about being able to deal with higher levels of abstraction.
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/001132.html
Read part 13. Also of interest, http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0081237
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675877
The problem with these threads is that you have a mess of people offering variations on a number of themes which are (a) manifestly stupid and (b) malicious. These would include the fellow who insisted that all poorly preforming health care workers are black, the other fellow who claims he sees random blacks ream people out in retail establishments on a daily basis, the other fellow who insisted blacks were 'incapable of civilization', the other fellow who insisted that blacks (who make up 11% of the workforce) are inconsequential to American history and social life, the other fellow who insisted that blacks are terrible reckless drivers and cost the community greatly and he'd seen it all (what he hadn't seen were the crude and age-adjusted death rates from motor vehicle accidents for blacks and whites, which, to the extent they differ, indicate blacks are less likely to get in road wrecks), and the other people complaining (sans any real number crunching) that blacks were a dependent population, &c. None of this has much to do with social reality (which is unhappy enough here, there, and the next place). It has a great deal to do with the regions in their minds. They loath blacks. And they are obsessed with blacks. (To which one of them adds a loathing of and obsession with Jews). There is no value to any of this.
(what he hadn’t seen were the crude and age-adjusted death rates from motor vehicle accidents for blacks and whites, which, to the extent they differ, indicate blacks are less likely to get in road wrecks)
Please point us to that data.
The data I have seen from the CDC suggest that you are referring to numbers that have not been adjusted for ownership and use of motor vehicles. I am sure you know, as I do that blacks have a lower ownership and use of motor vehicles.
I am going to have to start calling you a lying weasel soon. Next you will want deaths from air accidents listed per 1,000 or 100,000 US residents.
Updated data when available, Excel, PDF, and more data years: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/hus/contents2013.htm#033.
You will see the age-adjusted death rates for motor vehicle accidents for 2008 are 16.7 per 100,000 for black males, 5.8 per 100,000 for black females, 17.1 for (non-hispanic) white males, and 6.5 for (non-hispanic) White females. The crude rates are only slightly different for all four groups. You might find it's different per passenger-mile as the black population is less dispersed. The prevalence of motor vehicle ownership is such that I doubt changing that denominator will matter much. You're not going to be able to manipulate the data sufficiently to sustain his original statement, which makes little sense unless blacks are more dangerous behind the wheel by a considerable multiple.
I am going to have to start calling you a lying weasel soon.
You're under the illusion that your good opinion is worth something.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675888
And where the hell is Steve? I don’t like this silence.
It’s quiet, too damn quiet.
Actually Steve said he needed to do some stuff IRL.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675896
No. My experience is ordinary urban blacks, of which there were 70,000 resident in my home town during the years I was growing up, most resident in two concentrations on the southwest and northeast quadrants of the core city. They’re like blacks anywhere, mostly working class and mostly resident in shabby and crime ridden neighborhoods. A corpus of them were co-workers.
If you were posting from St. Louis or Baltimore you’d have a very different perspective.
I used to live in Baltimore, a city of which I am fond. It has a history of misgovernment. It has the same problems central Rochester does: quite a mass of feral young men, women who have a disposition toward the world that sustains these feral qualities, perverse incentives and sclerosis in the labor market &c. They’re worse in Baltimore, but different in degree rather than in kind. It does not have to be the way it is. There are, however, no equivalents of Rudolph Giuliani and William Bratton there (or in Rochester).
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675898
He told us on Monday morning that he had domestic chores to do and that blogging would be light.
He seems to be approving comments from time to time, so just be patient.
I just didn't see his comment to that effect. I don't mind the silence, not much anyway, it's just very uncharacteristic, so I was concerned.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675900
Please point us to that data.
The data I have seen from the CDC suggest that you are referring to numbers that have not been adjusted for ownership and use of motor vehicles. I am sure you know, as I do that blacks have a lower ownership and use of motor vehicles.
I am going to have to start calling you a lying weasel soon. Next you will want deaths from air accidents listed per 1,000 or 100,000 US residents.
Table 33 (page 1 of 4). Death rates for motor vehicle-related injuries, by sex, race, Hispanic origin, and age: United States, selected years 1950–2010
Updated data when available, Excel, PDF, and more data years: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/hus/contents2013.htm#033.
You will see the age-adjusted death rates for motor vehicle accidents for 2008 are 16.7 per 100,000 for black males, 5.8 per 100,000 for black females, 17.1 for (non-hispanic) white males, and 6.5 for (non-hispanic) White females. The crude rates are only slightly different for all four groups. You might find it’s different per passenger-mile as the black population is less dispersed. The prevalence of motor vehicle ownership is such that I doubt changing that denominator will matter much. You’re not going to be able to manipulate the data sufficiently to sustain his original statement, which makes little sense unless blacks are more dangerous behind the wheel by a considerable multiple.
I am going to have to start calling you a lying weasel soon.
You’re under the illusion that your good opinion is worth something.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675901
The Conservative Tree House is claiming that Dorian Johnson has recanted and is now saying that Brown tried to get Officer Wilson’s gun:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/19/breaking-report-dorian-johnson-recants-media-statement-tells-authorities-big-mike-did-try-for-officers-gun-acquittal-probable/
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675906
I’m late to the party, but my impression re Jews and WASPs is that Jews basically assimilated into the left half of the American upper middle class, and did so in such large numbers they essentially changed its character.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675909
Finally, our little angel who already committed a minimum of three felonies in as many minutes charges at the badly wounded officer. Now since you know nothing about law enforcement or police training (evident by your ignorant post) I'll make something clear. While they are trained to deal with unarmed suspects that does not make them 'Superman' or Jackie Chan. Brown was a violent jacked up felon who had already demonstrated that the officer could not physically subdue him. Anytime before that the officer would have been justified in a shoot if Brown did not immediately surrender or if he had been in the commission of any of those three felonies (that we know of) since he had already committed felony assault and robbery not once but twice in the case of the officer seriously injuring the officer he could have been legally and ethically shot running away because he would have been a fleeing felon and a danger to the public.
This scenario is taught in the police academies around the country and the training is if the guy is going to injure or kill you you can use deadly force to stop him. Once you being shooting you shoot to kill. You shoot for center mass or head shot and you continue shooting until he is no longer a threat. As long as a three hundred pound 6'4" man who has already broken your eye socket is charging you, you keep pulling the trigger. That's the ethical, legal, and proper way to deal with it. A civilian would have the same right of self defense in that situation.
First, Brown committed assault and robbery, by itself enough to be shot for legally by a police officer or citizen. Second, Brown committed first/second degree assault against an officer again all by itself enough to get him shot.
I guess I don’t know as much about the American legal system as I thought.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675910
Gee, who could’ve predicted? Oh, wait, I did, a few hours ago.
Zimmerman case, Wilson case: 2 for 2.
Wasn't how that went down in Florida?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675917
“I must have missed all those black Panther suicide bombings and calls for the extermination of all white Americans.”
Not that it really matters, but if you go looking for pretty similar things going in that direction you can find them:
“…”The Revolution has come, it’s time to pick up the gun. Off the pigs!”
…April, 1969—twenty-one members of the New York chapter are indicted and jailed for a bombing conspiracy.
…Early May, 1969—the Oakland BPP firebombs a store for under-donating eggs to the free breakfast program.
…spring, 1970—the Oakland BPP engages in another ambush of police officers with guns and fragmentation bombs. Two officers are wounded.”
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675931
“I’m late to the party, but my impression re Jews and WASPs”
Please stop using the epithet “WASP.” It is racist, offensive, and dehumanizing.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675932
Zimmerman case, Wilson case: 2 for 2.
Of course, the Governor could still appoint a Special Prosecutor.
Wasn’t how that went down in Florida?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675935
“Did Michael Brown Steal Cigars — Or Pay For Them?”
This is what is known as a hypothesis. We either support hypotheses with tangible evidence or we discard them for hypotheses that are more strongly supported.
We could hypothesize all manner of nonsense all day long, if we didn’t take a rational approach and base it on evidence (which seems to be the way the black community usually responds)- maybe a Chinese grandmother was ticked off because it was widely known (esp. in the black community) that Brown was a budding genius who had wrecked the grade curve for her lazy grandkids who rarely cracked their schoolbooks. He was destined for a Stanford physics PhD and a cushy job as a tenured professor, and she was jealous, so she dressed up in a bunch of clothes to make herself look much bigger, painted herself black, and wore giant platform shoes to make herself much taller, then put on a top layer of clothes to look like Brown, and strong armed the clerk, knowing the whole thing would be caught on tape and the police would be on the lookout for someone matching Brown’s description. She secretly went to the restroom in the shop next door, changed back into her qipao, and went on her merry way, while an oblivious Brown walked down the street, unaware that the racist white police force of Ferguson was just itching for an excuse. Mission accomplished for Mrs. Mei Huang!
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675938
The only friendly Mulatos/Blacks I have ever met were in Brazil. On average they don’t seem to have an extreme hatred for White people down there like the Blacks up here in the U.S.
In fact some of the Mulata women down in Brazil even flirted with me. They seem to dig White guys.
I visited Brazil because my sister married a White Brazilian of Portuguese Conquistador descent.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675940
I’m not familiar with Jared Taylor, but pretty much all police officers who have to police cities with significant black populations, whether the officers themselves are black, white, asian or whatever, become racist by liberal standards. I have met two exceptions. One was a lesbian cop who was new and optimistic and hadn’t been beaten down by reality yet. The other was a white male homosexual officer, with the GLLU who used to like to get oral sex from black guys in a certain notorious bath house in exchange for looking the other way when it came to certain activities that occurred there.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675947
We now know that the cop was seriously injured and that multiple witnesses support the cop's version.
Cops generally use too much violence in different circumstances. In the case of Brown and the new case of the knife-wielding would-be robber in St Louis, they did not.
No, not wrong, not at the time I wrote it. We didn’t know then, but we do now. This case is indeed turning out to be justifiable homicide.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675954
First he's given a hard time by the foreign store clerk, then he meets a hot headed cop looking to pick a fight over jaywalking
Remember Reese Witherspoon and how she acted around the cops? See if Reese had been Michael Brown, her brains would have been on the sidewalk.
It's Not Right.
I get angry when I have to deal with foreign store clerks, or foreigners in general. I don't blame Michael Brown for doing the same.
@#155 Has it ever occurred to anyone that Brown was being repetitively treated like shit? Perhaps you’ve led a particularly charmed, stress-free life, but I’ve spent all day being treated like shit on many occasions, and never once have I considered that state of affairs carte blanche to strong arm some stranger (or anyone), or to threaten a cop. Talk about the tyranny of low expectations. Liberals lecture conservatives regarding their attitudes toward minorities, while themselves treating said minorities like dim children. ‘Of course we know how to conduct ourselves, but they’re just wogs – what do you expect?’
Reese Witherspoon is protected by the celebrity aura that allows well-known people to get away with all sorts of things that you and I would not – which, I agree, is bullshit. But Witherspoon’s brains would not have been on the sidewalk in any event, because her husband did not resist arrest, nor did she, after her husband told her to stop mouthing off to the cop. Samuel L Jackson’s and Morgan Freeman’s brains would also have remained safely within their skulls under the same circumstances, because they would not be stupid enough to act the way that Brown did.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675971
I suspect someone mentioned this already, but I thought I’d point out that there is a GoFundMe page to support officer Darren Wilson. Consider giving money.
http://www.gofundme.com/SupportOfficerWilson
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675984
“In fairness, 6 shots does seem like overkill. ”
In fairness, obsessing over the number of shots fired seems like a red herring. Nix that — it is a red herring, period.
Paradoxically, the number of shots indicate Wilson was trying NOT to kill Brown.
If Wilson's intention was simply to kill Brown, he would have aimed only for head or heart, and one or two shots would have sufficed.
But the fact that most of the shots were in non-fatal regions show that Wilson was trying to fell Brown without killing him. Wilson went for the head shot at the end because Wilson most likely kept charging.
If a bear is charging you and you wanna kill it, you'd just aim for the head.
But if you wanna stop it without killing it, you'd shoot off MORE rounds at non-fatal regions.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675990
Did Jews assimilate into a far-left liberal WASP identity, or have WASPs assimilated into a far-left liberal Jewish identity?
They’re more interested in impressing coastal gentile liberals who have basically the same opinion of Tea Partiers.
Are Jews more interested in impressing coastal gentile liberals who have basically the same opinion of Tea Partiers, or are gentile liberals more interested in impressing coastal Jews who have basically the same opinion of Tea Partiers?
I tend to think it is the WASPs assimilating to the mores of the Jews. The Jews have been heavy into left wing politics for quite some time, and have thoroughly displaced the WASPs in academia, the media and most other high level positions of society. Why would a surging group want to assimilate into a receding one? It makes more sense that the displaced WASPs, having accepted their displacement, are making nice with the Jews than the other way around.
In the 1800s, capitalists, liberals, and Christians were already building toward multi-culturalism.
By the time Germany lost its colonies in WW1, the German public had already turned against the German military’s genocidal adventurism in German Namibia.
If Germany hadn’t lost, their colonies likely awaited the same fate as the Portugese African colonies: being defeated by international condemnation and economic isolation.
Jews like Bob Dylan and Chomsky were made into the 1960s’ leaders because they gave the flower generation the ideas it wanted. Overall, Jews have been an accelerant, working together with capitalists, liberals, and Christians to get the multi-culturalism they all thought they wanted
But that would be a world where Germany had won WW1 and or WW2. In which case all bets would be off.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-675996
Please stop using the epithet "WASP." It is racist, offensive, and dehumanizing.
How about “Yankee”? Yankees should acknowledge that the South was the only part of the country that voted against the 1965 immigration act.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676007
Israelis=white Americans, white South Africans, etc.
I had the pleasure of telling those kinds of arguments to some Jewish friends of friends at a dinner party last weekend.
These were real Jews, none of this Armie Hammer and Gwyneth Paltrow stuff. Tell Jews that Jews shouldn’t be forced out of France at the hands of violent immigrants, and they’ll be your friend forever.
Normal people have never heard anything like this, so anybody who reads these sites is a large knowledge gap ahead in such discussions.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676015
If you ignore the presence of race-hustlers like Sharpton, the recent riots, no matter how misguided, are an expression of the local peoples’ frustration with a militarized police force that shoot/hits first and asks questions later.
See link below for the TLC received by another man from the Ferguson PD.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676020
Apropos of nothing:
Race-based hate crimes spike in D.C.
Whites most common victims, but underreporting feared
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/19/race-based-hate-crimes-spike-in-dc/
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676023
The problem with these threads is that you have a mess of people offering variations on a number of themes which are (a) manifestly stupid and (b) malicious. These would include the fellow who insisted that all poorly preforming health care workers are black, the other fellow who claims he sees random blacks ream people out in retail establishments on a daily basis, the other fellow who insisted blacks were 'incapable of civilization', the other fellow who insisted that blacks (who make up 11% of the workforce) are inconsequential to American history and social life, the other fellow who insisted that blacks are terrible reckless drivers and cost the community greatly and he'd seen it all (what he hadn't seen were the crude and age-adjusted death rates from motor vehicle accidents for blacks and whites, which, to the extent they differ, indicate blacks are less likely to get in road wrecks), and the other people complaining (sans any real number crunching) that blacks were a dependent population, &c. None of this has much to do with social reality (which is unhappy enough here, there, and the next place). It has a great deal to do with the regions in their minds. They loath blacks. And they are obsessed with blacks. (To which one of them adds a loathing of and obsession with Jews). There is no value to any of this.
Spot on. Wonderful.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676025
Most African Americans believe the police target them simply because of their skin color and not because they are more prone to committing crimes. So does this mean dark skin East Indians in the U.S with similar skin color as African Americans, get profiled by the police at the same rate as Black Americans ?
If true, why don’t you see a mass number of Indians take their complaints to the media that they have been discriminated by the police because of their dark pigmentation ?
Or maybe dark skin Indians are less likely to report police harassment because on average they are more docile than African Americans ?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksgZnPPy9rQ
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwrs0NpDt3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2VLuP1cJPA
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676058
“Did Michael Brown Steal Cigars — Or Pay For Them?”
This is what is known as a hypothesis. We either support hypotheses with tangible evidence or we discard them for hypotheses that are more strongly supported.
Actually, that is what is known as a question. A hypothesis is a provisional answer to the question, as in, “Michael Brown stole cigars”/”Michael Brown paid for the cigars.”
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676061
The Missouri chapter of the KKK is holding a fundraiser for officer Darren Wilson.
“All money will go to the cop who did his job against the negro criminal,” in their words.
That is how you know they are old school, they used the word Negro instead of Black. The mainstream media pretty much stopped using the word Negro to describe Blacks after the 1970s.
The term Negro was pretty much eliminated from the mainstream media’s vocabulary by the time the 1980s rolled in.
The title of this 1970s film would have been considered controversial had it been released in the 1980s. But in the 1970s nobody blinked an eye when they saw the title of this movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWDTw7IjeiI
I assumed this was some sort of false flag designed to slur Wilson. Either because it simply isnt true or because the KKK are a completely elite controlled entity.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676074
I don’t see anything about this that is justifiable homicide…
Assume Michael Brown did grab the cop by the neck through the car window. The gun of the cop accidentally went off….or purposefully went off inside the vehicle.
Michael Brown and his friend took of running.
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As far as I’m concerned, that should have been it. The cop should have called for backup. He can identify the kids, they can’t escape anywhere, he knows where they live. He can get them on assault charges. Problem. Solved.
The whole thing should have ended here, with an arrest at Michael Brown’s house later in the day.
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Now the cop gets out of his vehicle…he is no longer in danger as the suspect is running away from the car….and he chases after Michael Brown….
Supposedly shooting his gun with several bullets hitting the boy.
The boy then turns around with his hands up. There is an injury on one of his arms/shoulder so one hand does not go up in the air all the way.
Now this is under debate….
Michael Brown Staggers Forward one step …..or Michael Brown charges the cop….
Cop kills him execution style.
I personally think that putting his hands up the air, and looking at the way his body fell, with one hand up, the other injured arm not as up….That michael may have staggered forward a step of which the cop killed him execution style.
Either way….Based upon the above events….The cop should be charged not for homicide but certainly SOMETHING.
The key is the cop got out of the car and chased after the boys. If any of the bullets went through Michael Browns back then the case is shut. Cop should be charged.
The lessen to be taken from this is….The cop was unable to arrest Michael Brown and should not have played Video Game Destroyer with a Kid’s life. A higher IQ person would have let the kids run away, and come back with a passel of cop friends and knocked on the kid’s front door.
A cop does not have a right to be executioner or put bullets in anyone when another option is so easy.
The boy then turns around with his hands up. There is an injury on one of his arms/shoulder so one hand does not go up in the air all the way.
You're not very good at thinking, are you.
All the bullets went in through Brown's front. That means he was facing the cop when shot. And there are witnesses who now say he ran at the cop.
I think he should get a commendation!
Zimmerman got out of the car, that made him bad. You're supposed to leave that to the cops...oh..except you're not. It's so hard to keep up!
You personally think the cop shot him execution style? It's not the dumbest thing you've said but it comes close. First the two autopsies confirm this is not the case. Second, the witnesses confirm this and an unedited audio (caught in the background of a phone conversation) confirms it. Everything confirms that it was a good shoot. Legally, ethically, and training and tactics wise.
None of your suggestions like 'following him home' or 'calling for back up' apply here. First, Brown did not give the officer the chance to do either he assaulted the officer before the officer could do either. Second, that is not police procedure or good public safety. The guy had just committed first degree assault, second degree assault, and first degree robbery. The officer had an absolute duty and obligation to stop him if he could with any degree of force necessary for the lawful purposes intended.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676101
The political timeline doesn't support that position.
Jews couldn't have corrupted WASPs because most pre-WWII Jewish American elites were conservative leaning German Jews such as the Guggenheims. Immigrant Russian Jews, as well as other Great Wave immigrants were used by FDR's Progressive WASP coalition for votes and low level political organizing to defeat conservative Republican WASPs. But Russian Jews didn't rise into the leadership until after the New Deal when WASPs were either Progressive Rockefeller Republicans or left liberals. By that time, both Jews and ethnic Catholics (or ethnic Orthodox in the case of Greek Americans) had been assimilated into liberal WASP norms.
Utterly tendentious. The great immigration wave made German Jews numerically irrelevant and, later, just irrelevant. The Russian Jews were commies before they got to the US. European Jews were commies in 1848. They key breakthrough for them was the Dutch Republic which became ground zero for the horror show called the Enlightenment. Leftist agitation by Jews goes back four hundred years at least. Specifically communist/socialist agitation does not go back so far, but it definitely goes back well into the 19th C.
There is also vigorous equivocation going on in the use of the word “left.” The character of the left changed dramatically over time. Old Leftists, including the WASPy ones, were largely economic socialists—they thought the means of production should be owned by the government or by unions. New Leftists, the ones we currently are ruled by, aren’t especially interested in socialism. Their occasional forays into economics are vestigial and weak. They are interested in cultural marxism, which is to say the destruction of Christendom. New and old left are almost completely distinct ideological phenomena. Their ideas have very little in common.
The change in the character of the left from old to new occurred post-WWII, at the time that the Russian Jews were settling into positions of power. Symbolically, the transition occurred at the Democratic Convention of 1968. The leaders of the new left were the “red diaper babies,” largely children of leftist Russian Jews.
Should TUJ wander over to some leftist anti-zionist forum in which Jews are being criticized from the left, it seems pretty likely that these facts will suddenly become clear to him. Given the left’s current ascendency, it isn’t particularly difficult to find Jews bragging about how important they were in it.
At least get your history straight. Some scholars credit Spinoza for starting the radical branch of Enlightenment, but Spinoza didn't have any Jewish friends or followers of note after his own Jewish community excommunicated him. The radical Enlightenment became a white European phenomenon afterwards through the French Revolution, with Jews only as marginal figures. You can't get any whiter than Enlightenment troublemakers like Pierre Bayle, Jean Meslier, Denis Diderot, Claude Adrien Helvétius, and fellow German Illuminists living in Paris like the Baron d'Holbach and Friedrich Melchior. German monarchs like Prussia's Frederick the Great (grandson of England's George I), the German carpetbagger Catherine II in Russia, and Joseph II in Austria also felt in sympathy with some Enlightenment thinking, and they forced top-down reforms on their respective societies. If this reckless social engineering led to bad consequences, well, the evidence shows that white Europeans theorized the necessity for it and then took practical steps to make it happen.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676133
Supposedly shooting his gun with several bullets hitting the boy.
The boy then turns around with his hands up. There is an injury on one of his arms/shoulder so one hand does not go up in the air all the way.
You’re not very good at thinking, are you.
All the bullets went in through Brown’s front. That means he was facing the cop when shot. And there are witnesses who now say he ran at the cop.
I think he should get a commendation!
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676140
Using median income as a proxy, I think motor vehicle ownership among blacks is at least 30% less than it is among whites.
I will keep searching for better proxies or for real data.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676141
The problem with these threads is that you have a mess of people offering variations on a number of themes which are (a) manifestly stupid and (b) malicious. These would include the fellow who insisted that all poorly preforming health care workers are black, the other fellow who claims he sees random blacks ream people out in retail establishments on a daily basis, the other fellow who insisted blacks were 'incapable of civilization', the other fellow who insisted that blacks (who make up 11% of the workforce) are inconsequential to American history and social life, the other fellow who insisted that blacks are terrible reckless drivers and cost the community greatly and he'd seen it all (what he hadn't seen were the crude and age-adjusted death rates from motor vehicle accidents for blacks and whites, which, to the extent they differ, indicate blacks are less likely to get in road wrecks), and the other people complaining (sans any real number crunching) that blacks were a dependent population, &c. None of this has much to do with social reality (which is unhappy enough here, there, and the next place). It has a great deal to do with the regions in their minds. They loath blacks. And they are obsessed with blacks. (To which one of them adds a loathing of and obsession with Jews). There is no value to any of this.
+1
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676148
It's quiet, too damn quiet.
Actually Steve said he needed to do some stuff IRL.
Okay, I missed that from Steve. Thanks, Lurker.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676149
He seems to be approving comments from time to time, so just be patient.
Thank you too, Fourth Doorman.
I just didn’t see his comment to that effect. I don’t mind the silence, not much anyway, it’s just very uncharacteristic, so I was concerned.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676151
If the cop had decided five shots was enough, who knows, it might be “Policeman Dies After Confrontation With Teen”, and no one outside of Missouri would have heard of it.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676152
The key is the cop got out of the car and chased after the boys.
Zimmerman got out of the car, that made him bad. You’re supposed to leave that to the cops…oh..except you’re not. It’s so hard to keep up!
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676154
"All money will go to the cop who did his job against the negro criminal," in their words.
That is how you know they are old school, they used the word Negro instead of Black. The mainstream media pretty much stopped using the word Negro to describe Blacks after the 1970s.
The term Negro was pretty much eliminated from the mainstream media's vocabulary by the time the 1980s rolled in.
The title of this 1970s film would have been considered controversial had it been released in the 1980s. But in the 1970s nobody blinked an eye when they saw the title of this movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWDTw7IjeiI
The Missouri chapter of the KKK is holding a fundraiser for officer Darren Wilson.
I assumed this was some sort of false flag designed to slur Wilson. Either because it simply isnt true or because the KKK are a completely elite controlled entity.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676156
Wasn't how that went down in Florida?
Yes, the Republican governor of Florida appointed a special prosecutor in the Zimmerman case after the state attorney with jurisdiction declined to press charges. In fact, the governor choose another state prosecutor known for prosecuting cases zealously and to the maximum extent possible. Those attributes probably made a conviction or plea LESS likely, but I don’t think the governor was being that Machiavellian, he was just scared that what happened in LA (and now Ferguson) would happen here.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676158
By the time Germany lost its colonies in WW1, the German public had already turned against the German military's genocidal adventurism in German Namibia.
If Germany hadn't lost, their colonies likely awaited the same fate as the Portugese African colonies: being defeated by international condemnation and economic isolation.
Jews like Bob Dylan and Chomsky were made into the 1960s' leaders because they gave the flower generation the ideas it wanted. Overall, Jews have been an accelerant, working together with capitalists, liberals, and Christians to get the multi-culturalism they all thought they wanted
If Germany hadn’t lost, their colonies likely awaited the same fate as the Portugese African colonies: being defeated by international condemnation and economic isolation.
But that would be a world where Germany had won WW1 and or WW2. In which case all bets would be off.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676159
Yes, Fishie, god forbid the cop do his job and pursue people dangerous enough and stupid enough to assault a cop in broad daylight.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676163
One troll is astroturfing here, posting multiple times using different handles. It’s the same one person. He goes to other websites with the same shtick. He’s probably a person with a slight mental problem who gets disability, freeing him up to play games all day on various websites.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676166
By the time Germany lost its colonies in WW1, the German public had already turned against the German military's genocidal adventurism in German Namibia.
If Germany hadn't lost, their colonies likely awaited the same fate as the Portugese African colonies: being defeated by international condemnation and economic isolation.
Jews like Bob Dylan and Chomsky were made into the 1960s' leaders because they gave the flower generation the ideas it wanted. Overall, Jews have been an accelerant, working together with capitalists, liberals, and Christians to get the multi-culturalism they all thought they wanted
If Germany hadn’t lost, their colonies likely awaited the same fate as the Portugese African colonies: being defeated by international condemnation and economic isolation.
Portugal’s withdrawal from Africa in the 1970s took place in a totally different ideological climate. There was a bit of multikulti evident in the Allies treatment of the German colonies at Versailles – they became “League of Nations Mandates” under French or British administration rather than being simply seized as they would have been in the past – but even in the early 1950s there was very little sense that the French and British empires in Africa were about to collapse.
It was thought that a few favoured black states (Ghana, perhaps) would advance towards autonomy within the embrace of the Commonwealth. The idea of “white settler” colonies (Kenya, Southern Rhodesia) was still viable, even if liberals had begun to condemn the arrangement this logically implied: Apartheid. And Algeria, despite the colourful folkways of its Muslim inhabitants, was simply part of France.
All this changed, quite suddenly, after the Suez crisis of 1956, a date some compare to 1989: symbolizing the strategic victory of the United States over its global rivals. But that might not have happened, or would have happened much later, if not for the world wars.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676177
See link below for the TLC received by another man from the Ferguson PD.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html
…the recent riots, no matter how misguided, are an expression of the local peoples’ frustration with a militarized police force that shoot/hits first and asks questions later.
Few blacks are shot by the police. The great majority who get shot are shot by other blacks; and yet when it comes to these shootings, which are frequent and endless, the “local people”–that is to say, blacks–endure whatever frustration they might feel without rioting– and also without doing anything constructive about it.
By the way: who in this country other than blacks express frustration by rioting, burning, shooting, and looting?
That said, I blame white people no less than blacks for the lawless, destructive, depraved behavior of blacks: white people excuse it and tolerate it and indulge it, all the while encouraging blacks to nurse a sense of grievance and entitlement.
White people, timid and apologetic for their imaginary wrongs, are reaping what they sowed.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676182
There is also vigorous equivocation going on in the use of the word "left." The character of the left changed dramatically over time. Old Leftists, including the WASPy ones, were largely economic socialists---they thought the means of production should be owned by the government or by unions. New Leftists, the ones we currently are ruled by, aren't especially interested in socialism. Their occasional forays into economics are vestigial and weak. They are interested in cultural marxism, which is to say the destruction of Christendom. New and old left are almost completely distinct ideological phenomena. Their ideas have very little in common.
The change in the character of the left from old to new occurred post-WWII, at the time that the Russian Jews were settling into positions of power. Symbolically, the transition occurred at the Democratic Convention of 1968. The leaders of the new left were the "red diaper babies," largely children of leftist Russian Jews.
Should TUJ wander over to some leftist anti-zionist forum in which Jews are being criticized from the left, it seems pretty likely that these facts will suddenly become clear to him. Given the left's current ascendency, it isn't particularly difficult to find Jews bragging about how important they were in it.
>They key breakthrough for them was the Dutch Republic which became ground zero for the horror show called the Enlightenment.
At least get your history straight. Some scholars credit Spinoza for starting the radical branch of Enlightenment, but Spinoza didn’t have any Jewish friends or followers of note after his own Jewish community excommunicated him. The radical Enlightenment became a white European phenomenon afterwards through the French Revolution, with Jews only as marginal figures. You can’t get any whiter than Enlightenment troublemakers like Pierre Bayle, Jean Meslier, Denis Diderot, Claude Adrien Helvétius, and fellow German Illuminists living in Paris like the Baron d’Holbach and Friedrich Melchior. German monarchs like Prussia’s Frederick the Great (grandson of England’s George I), the German carpetbagger Catherine II in Russia, and Joseph II in Austria also felt in sympathy with some Enlightenment thinking, and they forced top-down reforms on their respective societies. If this reckless social engineering led to bad consequences, well, the evidence shows that white Europeans theorized the necessity for it and then took practical steps to make it happen.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676183
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/does-the-federa-government-hate-tac/
PC all over
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676184
http://www.businessinsider.com/worst-cities-economist-intelligence-unit-2014-8?op=1
Great sources for FRESH BLOOD!
White blood so tired.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676186
It looks like about one-quarter of justifiable homicides by police involve black victims. Since blacks are responsible for about one-half of violent crime, it would seem that they are being undertargeted.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/police-killings-data/14060357/
I can’t locate the original FBI report, which would presumably show how many times a black´police officer justifiably killed another black.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676191
From the wounds he suffered he may well be sentenced to permenant blindness in one eye.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676194
It’s been said Mexicans and other Latinos vote ‘leftist’ because they are poor and want something from the government.
Then, how come many Latin American nations don’t have ‘far left’ governments even under democracies?
If most Latinos wanted massive redistribution, all of Latin America would have leaders like Castros, Chavez, and that guy in Bolivia. Latin America should be communist or socialist.
But nations like Mexico always had huge income gaps. Even so-called ‘socialist governments’ didn’t do much in terms of social spending. Rather, ‘socialism’ only meant a massive patronage system for a particular party.
Maybe many Mexicans in Mexico are not ‘leftist’ for the same reason that many white southerners(even poor ones) are not Democratic. While many Mexicans may be poor by American standards, they are nevertheless better off than many other Mexicans who are poorer, especially the indigenous population. So, while such Mexicans would vote ‘left’ if they were in America, they are loathe to vote ‘left’ in Mexico because they feel their wealth–meager as it is by American standards–will be taken and given to even poorer people, the indigenos who are worse off than mestizos.
White southerners used for vote leftist(at least economically) in the past because blacks had been put in their place. So, they didn’t fear black power. They saw politics in terms of poor white southerners vs rich northern industrialists. But once black power was unleashed in the south, white southerners felt more threat from blacks than from rich northern whites. Also, with economic expansion in the south, many white southerners became better off than before.
Anyway, there are still many poor white folks in the south, and if not for the black threat, they might vote left economically.
In America, mestizo Mexicans see politics in terms of ‘we poor Mexicans’ and ‘them rich Anglos’.
But in Mexico, even as mestizos resent the rich white elites, they also feel the pressure of indigenos from below, and that puts a halt on their economic leftism. Of course, once mestizos and indigenos come to the US, they form a single block because their ‘common enemy’ is the ‘rich gringo’. But in Mexico, mestizos look upon indigenos like white southerners look upon poor blacks.
PS. Isn’t economic leftism a form of rightism? If rightism is about group self-interest, then isn’t it ‘rightist’ for poor people to vote for their own economic self-interest? Leftism is only truly leftist when rich people vote to favor the poor over the rich.
But when poor folks vote for poor interests, it’s rightism in the sense that it’s for their own group interest. Some people are angry with poor folks who vote ‘left’ when they’re poor but then vote ‘right’ when they get richer. But in fact, nothing has really changed with their voting habits: they are still voting for their own interest. When they were poor, it was in their group interest to vote left since it meant for more goodies for themselves. And when they got rich, it was still in their group interest to vote right since it meant more goodies for themselves. Same group self-interest.
Only rich people vote left out of principles. Poor people vote left for ultimately rightist reasons: group self-interest.
As for conquistador-Americans, they are loathe to vote leftist in Latin American nations that are majority non-white but then vote ‘left’ in the US as they just love to play ‘people of color’ victim card vis-a-vis the gringo.
American conservative whites side with white latinos against non-white latinos, but white latinos side with ‘people of color’ against whites. The dynamics is rather like the one between white cons and Jews.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676206
In fairness, obsessing over the number of shots fired seems like a red herring. Nix that -- it is a red herring, period.
“In fairness, 6 shots does seem like overkill. ”
Paradoxically, the number of shots indicate Wilson was trying NOT to kill Brown.
If Wilson’s intention was simply to kill Brown, he would have aimed only for head or heart, and one or two shots would have sufficed.
But the fact that most of the shots were in non-fatal regions show that Wilson was trying to fell Brown without killing him. Wilson went for the head shot at the end because Wilson most likely kept charging.
If a bear is charging you and you wanna kill it, you’d just aim for the head.
But if you wanna stop it without killing it, you’d shoot off MORE rounds at non-fatal regions.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676214
Al Sharpton… Speaking Lies to Power.
Eric Holder… Speaking Lies from Power.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676222
Fishie your comments and suppositions are entirely wrong. Brown had just committed felony assault and robbery then committed felony assault on the police officer. Every shot came as he charged the officer. Every shot came as he was assaulting an officer. All were ‘good’ shots in that they were legal and justified. Both autopsies confirmed this (as well as the honest witnesses) and video evidence of he earlier behavior.
You personally think the cop shot him execution style? It’s not the dumbest thing you’ve said but it comes close. First the two autopsies confirm this is not the case. Second, the witnesses confirm this and an unedited audio (caught in the background of a phone conversation) confirms it. Everything confirms that it was a good shoot. Legally, ethically, and training and tactics wise.
None of your suggestions like ‘following him home’ or ‘calling for back up’ apply here. First, Brown did not give the officer the chance to do either he assaulted the officer before the officer could do either. Second, that is not police procedure or good public safety. The guy had just committed first degree assault, second degree assault, and first degree robbery. The officer had an absolute duty and obligation to stop him if he could with any degree of force necessary for the lawful purposes intended.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676260
"and now we see Maud struggle to explain why it is that water forms on the outside of the glass.."
"Steve launches into an explanation of condensation and saturation limits before segueing into a long discussion on saturation photography and the death of film photography"
"Darren throws the glass at the wall in anger because 'et be all leaky 'n shit'"
That would be both hilarious and enlightening.
This post by Dr. James Thompson at Psychological Comments might be what you are looking for:
The 7 Tribes of Intellect
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676314
But that would be a world where Germany had won WW1 and or WW2. In which case all bets would be off.
Right. But if Germany won WW1, the biggest impact would likely be that Hitler wouldn’t have been able to rise to power, and Germany would have had stayed as moderate as the rest of the West.
Regarding Germany winning WW2, it seems they were likely to lose from the beginning. Even if the Nazis had won at Dunkirk, they would still have lost the scientific war, with the U.S. being able to nuke German cities at will.
On the other hand, if the Nazis were more reasonable ideologically, they could have won both the military war and the scientific war.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676399
“Consider the freethinker maternal grandparents of Katherine Hepburn, one of whom was a member of the Houghton family (founders of Corning Incorporated), and her socialist-sympathizing parents. As late as the early 20th century, the women’s suffrage movement wasn’t dominated by Jews.”
Perhaps Katherine Hepburn’s family’s liberal background was the reason kingpins in Hollywood were interested in making her into a star, rather than just an incidental fact. What better way to help make such views seem mainstream and attractive?
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676411
Oh, look, it’s one of our two resident trolls who post under a never-ending array of sockpuppet handles to give themselves the illusion of numbers, again. They spent grade school in the corner facing the wall, and now they’re here.
Wrong. Now the huge, 6’4″, 300 lb negro who just savagely assaulted and beat a police officer and tried to take his gun away (resulting in a discharge in the vehicle) stops running, turns around, taunts Wilson, then charges.
I think we now have a pretty good picture of why officer Wilson’s aim was a little shaky.
I didn’t read the rest of your bla bla bla fantasy.
Great point.
I assumed this was some sort of false flag designed to slur Wilson. Either because it simply isnt true or because the KKK are a completely elite controlled entity.
It could just be because they’re flakes who don’t know any better. I met a couple KKK guys years ago. They were anti-racist conservatives.
Now, now. Ron Unz says we have two such trolls. Don’t sell them short.
A tragedy. If a million Arabs aren’t worth one Jewish fingernail, then one worthless black certainly isn’t worth a good white man’s eye.
More likely, the elite that controls Mexico (regardless of party) doesn’t put economic leftism on the table, so there’s no redistributionist candidate to vote for.
I think the Mexican voters would happily vote themselves some redistribution, if it was to be had.
More likely, after just receiving a savage beating from a feral brute, his aim was just off.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676414
It does make for a great story, though:
“How’d you get that eye?”
“6′ 4″, 300 lb negro jumped me as I was exiting my vehicle.”
“Did he get away?”
“No, he charged me, so I put two in his head.”
***
Anonymous, I’d gladly make common cause with the black hats.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676420
I believe you mean “Anglo Saxons”?
No, I mean WASPs as it has always been used – Northeastern Mainline Protestants, or whites who assimilated into that culture. The term was invented by a WASP who was referring to the Yankee Protestant establishment. The term does not include Jerry Falwell or Rick Perry.
If paleocons would bother to learn what the term means, there’s a small chance they might also know their neo-Confederate sympathies are non-sensical with their love affair with WASPs; the savior of WASP conservatism Abraham Lincoln who turned them into the 1865-1932 elite through the destruction of the Old South.
Utterly tendentious. The great immigration wave made German Jews numerically irrelevant and, later, just irrelevant. The Russian Jews were commies before they got to the US. European Jews were commies in 1848.
The German Jews were outnumbered by Russian Jews but they were still the elite. Russian Jews arrived too late to be the elite. They were useful for FDR’s liberal coalition as voters but not much else.
There is also vigorous equivocation going on in the use of the word “left.” The character of the left changed dramatically over time. Old Leftists, including the WASPy ones, were largely economic socialists
Not true. WASP progressives were at least as Communist as the student revolutionaries of the 1960s were before the Cold War. See Dewey’s defenses of Stalinist Russia from the 1920s or Upton Sinclair’s sympathies.
This has been forgotten because they became anti-Communist from 1945 to the late 1960s – which idiot Boomers wrongly interpreted as proof the old FDR/Wilson libs were centrists – but they only turned against Communism when Soviet Russia pursued a separate foreign policy from the West. Before WWII, liberal progressive admiration for Communism was widespread.
As for the New Left, they’ve added little to liberalism other than gay marriage. The student revolutionionaries who rose to power after 1970 got basically all they wanted with the Great Society, which was passed in the mid-1960s by an elite that was dominated by veterans of FDR’s administration, and, in some cases, Woodrow Wilson’s.
The change in the character of the left from old to new occurred post-WWII, at the time that the Russian Jews were settling into positions of power. Symbolically, the transition occurred at the Democratic Convention of 1968. The leaders of the new left were the “red diaper babies,” largely children of leftist Russian Jews.
The New Left consisted of gentiles as well. In Europe, the same 1960s revolutionaries fought for the same thing as America’s despite having few Jews remaining because of the Holocaust. The current EU Commision President, Jose Manuel Barrosso, was a student Maoist protester in the 60s.
Without Jewish activism the same student protests would have happened here just as they did in Europe.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676449
No, I mean WASPs as it has always been used – Northeastern Mainline Protestants, or whites who assimilated into that culture.
That is not “as it has always been used” and it is not “as it is always understood.” If you truly wish to be understood as you mean, you should spell out “Northeastern Mainline Protestants.”
Even if the term intelligibly described what you purport to describe, it is a racial epithet, pejorative to and dehumanizing of people of Northern European descent. It is offensive to me and I have asked that you desist in using it. We don’t refer to jews around here by the various epithets.
The term was invented by a WASP who was referring to the Yankee Protestant establishment.
The term is sometimes attributed to an American of European descent but he was a product of and dependent on the Jewish-dominated field of sociology around that time.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676501
WASP means “white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.” It’s insulting, regardless of its provenance (“kike” came from what Jews called themselves). It’s also stupid. All Anglo-Saxons are white, and Protestantism is their default religion, and thus not worth mentioning. The “W” and “P” are contortions solely there to make a word out of the acronym.
And yes, I’m still amused by the idea that the far-left Jews are far-left because of the not-nearly-as-far-left Anglo-Saxons. And yes, it still sounds a lot like Sowell’s excuse that highly-pathological blacks learned their pathology from the far-less-pathological Scots-Irish.
It amounts to a distinction without a difference: Jews are still the problem they were before the excuse was deployed.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676516
The “W” and “P” are contortions solely there to make a word out of the acronym.
The “W” and “P” do more than make a mere word out of the acronym. They associate Anglo-Saxons with a harmful insect, a pest. It is a subtle part of broader efforts to dehumanize them and smear them and to justify their extermination.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676546
US Military Launched Secret Rescue Operation in Syria for James Foley, Other Americans
I thought this was interesting because when I read the story about Foley’s beheading yesterday, I thought the regime would put something out quickly to prove their loyalty to the media. I guess this is it.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676573
“No, he charged me, so I put two in his head.”
It *is* a great story. That a man with a blowout fracture in one eye, still dazed from having been knocked nearly unconscious only moments before, could still manage to hit a moving target six times, including two head shots, isn’t quite as impressive as Oswald getting off three shots in six seconds from 250 feet with a bolt-action rifle and scoring two hits, including a head shot, but all things considered that was some FINE marksmanship.
Kudos, Officer. Gun control is hitting what you aim at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5IWK9sRYTs
30 rounds a minute with a bolt action Lee Enfield was standard for British infantrymen of 1914 and some could do better than that. So a trained marksman like Oswald should have been able to manage something similar, especially over a short space of time. Whatever problems there are with the Kennedy assassination, the rate of fire issue probably isn't one of them.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676625
“And yes, it still sounds a lot like Sowell’s excuse that highly-pathological blacks learned their pathology from the far-less-pathological Scots-Irish.”
In general Sowell says a lot of bright things, but he blew out a brainfart when he came up with that one. If anything, the blacks have been aping Italian-American mob culture, trying to be gangstas, but in their own bastardized way to conform to African tastes. Italian gangsters had rules. They didn’t indiscriminately kill. They didn’t beat 80 year old women to death to rape them and steal 26 cents from their purses. They didn’t speak ebonic gibberish. They didn’t riot, etc. It was called,”organized crime”; organized anything seems beyond blacks’ pay grade.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676632
Is Michael Brown A National Hero?
Yes
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676856
It *is* a great story. That a man with a blowout fracture in one eye, still dazed from having been knocked nearly unconscious only moments before, could still manage to hit a moving target six times, including two head shots, isn't quite as impressive as Oswald getting off three shots in six seconds from 250 feet with a bolt-action rifle and scoring two hits, including a head shot, but all things considered that was some FINE marksmanship.
Kudos, Officer. Gun control is hitting what you aim at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5IWK9sRYTs
Oswald getting off three shots in six seconds from 250 feet with a bolt-action rifle and scoring two hits
30 rounds a minute with a bolt action Lee Enfield was standard for British infantrymen of 1914 and some could do better than that. So a trained marksman like Oswald should have been able to manage something similar, especially over a short space of time. Whatever problems there are with the Kennedy assassination, the rate of fire issue probably isn’t one of them.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-676969
The term WASP was popularized by E. Digby Baltzell who used it to describe Yankee Protestant elites.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-677263
The term kike was popularized by Jews, from the Yiddish for “circle.”
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-677936
“In general Sowell says a lot of bright things, but he blew out a brainfart when he came up with that one. If anything, the blacks have been aping Italian-American mob culture, trying to be gangstas, but in their own bastardized way to conform to African tastes. Italian gangsters had rules. They didn’t indiscriminately kill. They didn’t beat 80 year old women to death to rape them and steal 26 cents from their purses. They didn’t speak ebonic gibberish. They didn’t riot, etc. It was called,”organized crime”; organized anything seems beyond blacks’ pay grade.”
I remember watching The Sopranos, David Chase made the Tony Soprano character quite racist against Blacks. There was an episode where Tony refers to the housing projects of Newark, New Jersey as being filled with animals.
And how once Italian neighborhoods in Newark, New Jersey became toilet dumps after Blacks pushed the Italians out of Newark and into the suburbs.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-678008
[…] About eleven months ago, the consensus from state officials and the state’s major media outlets was that the public had a right not to know Michael Brown’s actions inside the Ferguson Market. […]
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nixon-taped-advocating-cover-up/#comment-1011297