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From The Daily Mail:

Female ex-police chief at heart of £870k sexist payout for bullying male colleague ‘is now giving inspirational speeches on how to combat white male culture at work’

Maxine de Brunner is giving lectures on ‘white male culture in workplace’

CI Adrian Denby won £870,000 after unfair treatment from Ms de Brunner

Former Met Deputy Assistant Commissioner removed Mr Denby from his post

She acted after launching campaign to challenge riot squad’s macho culture

By Joseph Curtis For Mailonline

PUBLISHED: 03:45 EDT, 26 May 2018 | UPDATED: 08:04 EDT, 26 May 2018

This reminds me of Francis Fukuyama’s neo-Hegelian theory that we’ve reached the End of History. But what did that Dead White European Male Hegel know about History?

Instead, with the mass entry of women into the work force, we appear to have entered a New Age of History, in which History will largely consist not of ideological struggle over vast ideas, but of men and women arguing over petty incidents at work of who said what to whom and what exactly were they implying by the tone of how they said it.

The masses will choose up sides — e.g., Jessica Walter vs. Jeffrey Tambor — based on perceived identity similarity according to Stalin’s handy theory of Who? Whom?

And a great time will be had by all. Or at least by all who enjoy gossip, backbiting, and vendetta more than getting any real work done.

 
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  1. “all who enjoy gossip, backbiting, and vendetta more than getting any real work done.”

    Getting work done is now a signal of being low class, the lowest of the low. Undocumented people work, not people with prospects. Work for middle class and above is a way of filling out the day between shuttling kids from soccer to whatever and meeting work friends for after work drinks and gossip.

    Just as long nails are a way that lower middle class women indicate they don’t do physical work, dishing on the job and obsessing about petty slights and who does she think she is? is how women hoping for a wealthy mr grey indicate they’re not so involved that they won’t throw it all away for a chance of a superior baby daddy bondage meister.

    • Replies: @Hockamaw
  2. Instead, with the mass entry of women into the work force, we appear to have entered a New Age of History, in which History will largely consist not of ideological struggle over vast ideas, but of men and women arguing over petty incidents at work of who said what to whom and what exactly were they implying by the tone of how they said it.

    This is entirely consistent with what Fukuyama wrote. His point is that no one can credibly assert a grand principle inconsistent with Equality and Democracy. In a sense, his argument is as much Tocqueville as Hegel. He even, as I recall, carved out an exception/qualification for Islam. The book, as opposed to caricatures of the book, stands up remarkably well.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Dr. X
  3. Hockamaw says:
    @cliff arroyo

    Just as long nails are a way that lower middle class women indicate they don’t do physical work, dishing on the job and obsessing about petty slights and who does she think she is? is how women hoping for a wealthy mr grey indicate they’re not so involved that they won’t throw it all away for a chance of a superior baby daddy bondage meister.

    Outstanding comment.

    • Agree: James N. Kennett
  4. Iowan says:

    Interesting that in this case a man was paid big money because he was treated unfairly by women.

  5. Clyde says:

    To clarify the payout went to the man Denby who was discriminated against by Maxine de Brunner.

    Mr Denby, 49, was removed from his role in charge of a tactical unit after she (de Brunner) launched a campaign to challenge the squad’s ‘macho culture’ because she was unhappy with beers being found in an station fridge and her ‘pet hate’ of male officers walking around in only towels. (?????)

    A tribunal found that Mr Denby was discriminated against and the London force paid him compensation in an out-of-court deal.
    A source told The Sun that the tribunal had cost the Met more than £2million.

  6. Forbes says:

    Maybe The Peter Principle will have to be re-named as The Princess Principle, what with all these women promoted to their level of incompetence–men no longer eligible for any promotion ever because…

  7. dearieme says:

    “riot squad’s macho culture”: oh dearie me, we can’t be having that, can we? Mind how you go.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
  8. TheBoom says:

    Some blogger a few years ago wrote that now there are two types of employment: work and jobs. In work you try to get things done that are practical. Examples include construction, engineering and sales. In jobs the key accomplishments are keeping the boss and administration happy and adhering to all the rules of the bureaucracy. Men gravitate to the first and women to the second. That is also why women are increasingly a fit with the educational world as students. When you don’t have to worry about actually accomplishing something useful, your time is freed up to back bite, squabble and gain status by tearing someone else down, things that men tend to like to avoid

  9. jim jones says:

    Things are getting tense in London:

  10. Not Raul says:
    @jim jones

    Has white London culture changed a lot in the past 20 years? The singing sounds pretty retro, like bastardized music hall stuff.

    • Replies: @jim jones
  11. anonymous[213] • Disclaimer says:

    Vintage iSteve.

  12. Svigor says:

    And a great time will be had by all. Or at least by all who enjoy gossip, backbiting, and vendetta more than getting any real work done.

    So like 95% of the people with humanities degrees.

  13. Rosie says:
    @Isaac Parker

    History will largely consist not of ideological struggle over vast ideas, but of men and women arguing over petty incidents at work of who said what to whom and what exactly were they implying by the tone of how they said it.

    Say what you will about catty women, we’ve got nothing on the alt-Right as far as backstabbing and petty gossip are concerned. I’ve often wondered why they don’t study the temperance movement, or even the Girl Scouts, for a few pointers on how to set aside your differences for the sake of a noble cause.

    All that said, this crap really is embarrassing for those of us who insist on being taken seriously.

  14. CI Adrian Denby won £870,000

    At least it wasn’t $– yet.

    … Stalin’s handy theory of Who? Whom?

    Wasn’t it Lenin’s?

    And a great time will be had by all. Or at least by all who enjoy gossip, backbiting, and vendetta more than getting any real work done.

    I hear the food in Sicily is great, though.

  15. “riot squad’s macho culture”: oh dearie me, we can’t be having that, can we? Mind how you go.

    Rioters themselves tend to be pretty macho. Pussy Riot is no exception.

  16. BB753 says:
    @TheBoom

    Now we know why our wise forefathers didn’t allow women anywhere near institutions of higher education. They knew that women, once admitted, would turn them upside down, subvert their true goal, learning, and ultimately destroy them. They have been proven right.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Clyde
  17. Rosie says:
    @TheBoom

    When you don’t have to worry about actually accomplishing something useful, your time is freed up to back bite, squabble and gain status by tearing someone else down, things that men tend to like to avoid

    Orly?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5458635/amp/Men-gossip-women-likely-threaten-rivals.html#click=https://t.co/ReOESb5dlY

    If women were half as useless as istevers think we are, there would be no: Sunday school, community theatre, homeschool co-ops, youth sports leagues, etc…

  18. Rosie says:
    @jim jones

    That whole situation is a disgrace, but I guess the anti-British establishment doesn’t have much choice but to bare their fangs in order to silence dissent.

    • Replies: @jim jones
  19. 3g4me says:
    @Rosie

    @11 Rosie: “Say what you will about catty women, we’ve got nothing on the alt-Right as far as backstabbing and petty gossip are concerned. I’ve often wondered why they don’t study the temperance movement, or even the Girl Scouts, for a few pointers on how to set aside your differences for the sake of a noble cause.”

    The temperance movement or Girl Scouts were “noble causes”? The first, despite a legitimate problem of needy families due to drunk dads, was another army of moral militant busybodies who wanted the world to resemble kindergarten class – just like today’s SJWs, albeit less crude (no pussy hats). The second is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Planned Parenthood, who never met a fetus it didn’t long to dismember, all the while bleating that evil ypipo have too many evil huwhyte children.

    Women are no more inherently ‘noble’ than anyone else; indeed, in the annals of Western Christendom, it is MEN who commit noble deeds and acts of courage and decency and sacrifice, while women whinge (and lay claim to unearned virtue as you do above).

    • Agree: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Rosie
  20. Dr. X says:
    @Isaac Parker

    His point is that no one can credibly assert a grand principle inconsistent with Equality and Democracy. In a sense, his argument is as much Tocqueville as Hegel.

    Yeah, but Tocqueville was terrified by this prospect:

    “I had remarked during my stay in the United States that a democratic state of society, similar to that of the Americans, might offer singular facilities for the establishment of despotism…

    Above this race of [democratic] men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in perpetual childhood: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?”

  21. @Rosie

    Those are all good examples of female social prowess being well-used for community and familial upbuilding.

    Venting about women inappropriately and wastefully invading the sphere of men is no slander against women as such.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  22. @TheBoom

    This is a helpful distinction. It feels like the job-o-sphere is swallowing up the work-o-sphere like the Nothing in Never Ending Story. Even productive trades like carpentry have had their satisfying and purposive elements gutted out as its all about cheap, boxy, and following absurd government standards.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
  23. If we could welcome Maxine de Brunner, female ex-police chief, into the iSteve comment section to give us one of her inspirational speeches on how to combat our white male culture, maybe she could save us.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  24. @Rosie

    The study took place in Israel.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  25. JackOH says:

    “Instead, with the mass entry of women into the work force . . .”.

    Maybe we can find a shorthand way of identifying the prime mover behind that “mass entry”? Government inducement in its various manifestations, feminist ideology, the willingness by our leaders to dissolve the family as a primal social unit to achieve dubious social justice goals, and so on.

    This ain’t 1948, right? As in, women voluntarily entering the work force as nurses, banquet waitresses, telephone operators. Jus’ sayin.

  26. BenKenobi says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    maybe she could save us.

    Buzz, we are the salvation.

    We are the synthesis.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  27. jim jones says:
    @Rosie

    The theory on Reddit is that prosecuting the rapists would expose too may pedophiles in the Police and Government

  28. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently, before the Labour government of 1974, Women Police Constables were very few and far between in the UK – it was explicit policy to keep their numbers as a small quota, and to openly deny them promotion. The idea was that a certain number of women constables was needed to deal with rape victims etc. Basically, they were not taken seriously at all.

    I remember reading a tabloid newspaper report from that era in which the macho culture of the Metropolitan Police nicknamed WPCs as ‘plonkers’ (English slang for the male genitalia). Apparently, the perfunctory ‘initiation ceremony’ whenever a new probationary WPC was assigned to a particular police station, was that on arrival, the male officers of the station would forcefully pin down the WPC, in a face down position, pull up her skirt, pull down her panties, and stamp both cheeks of her bare ass with the official police station stamp.

  29. @jim jones

    I don’t have much sympathy for Tommy Robinson. He is a loud, angry man who will never change anyone’s mind about anything. It appears he has been sent to prison for filming the defendants outside court in a trial, in defiance of reporting restrictions and in breach of a court order banning him from this very activity. It is as if he is determined to go to jail, and then be killed by other prisoners.

    Britain does not have the “perp walk”, and before the verdict is given in a criminal case, news coverage is limited to what is said in court. The purpose of these rules is to give defendants the best chance of a fair trial.

  30. You couldn’t make this story up. You would assume that if someone has cost their employer £2 million by being too zealous in her attacks on “white male culture”, nobody would be willing to pay her to lecture on the subject.

    Instead, with the mass entry of women into the work force, we appear to have entered a New Age of History, in which History will largely consist not of ideological struggle over vast ideas, but of men and women arguing over petty incidents at work of who said what to whom and what exactly were they implying by the tone of how they said it.

    Yup. Isn’t it sad.

  31. @Rosie

    I’ll add nurses to that list.

    My mother became an aide after the last kid (me) was old enough to come home in the afternoon and take care of himself. She went to work at a place for retarded* people. (*I’ll use that word, retarded, here, because that’s the word they used then and there’s nothing wrong with it.) My Mom’s job, like a lot of nursing-type work done almost exclusively by women, was real work that most people of either sex won’t do.

    Unfortunately, Mom was a stark raving mad alcoholic who had been abusive to me from the time I was ten, so basically I had already been taking care of myself on a lot of occasions anyway (and protecting myself from her) long before she got a job. She divorced my father when I was still in school, and then she went totally mad and ended up living under care herself after I had moved away.

    You see, not all iStevers think women are useless.

    Not all those women out there working are angels either — not even to their own children.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  32. @Reg Cæsar

    This police officer failed her physical for remaining in the riot squad, sued the police force for age and gender discrimination, and won:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002610/Woman-inspector-humiliated-failing-riot-test-wins-30k.html

    • Replies: @Pericles
  33. jim jones says:
    @Not Raul

    The chants are football (soccer) chants, most of the demonstrators are footie fans

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
  34. @James N. Kennett

    Britain does not have the “perp walk”, and before the verdict is given in a criminal case, news coverage is limited to what is said in court. The purpose of these rules is to give defendants the best chance of a fair trial.

    Tommy Robinson’s imprisonment will not be reported in detail, until after the trial he was covering has reached a verdict – because any reporting might be seen as prejudicing the jury in that trial.

    Some British papers carried the story, according to Google News, but these pages are now 404.

  35. TheBoom says:
    @Antlitz Grollheim

    Yes, the forces of the job-o-sphere keep infringing on the work-o-sphere (good terms, by the way). Two great examples are Google (Damore revelations) and government affirmative action policies that reward job oriented people doing work-o-sphere tasks. The pedestrian bridge falling in Florida that was a monument to diversity may be a prime example of that

  36. TheBoom says:
    @Rosie

    One of the few honest looks at women’s love off bureaucracy came from that stalwart defenderer of the religion of feminism, the NYT. They profiled academics of the feminist persuasion who studied why women were not as successful or as drawn to startups. They found, not surprisingly, that women are most comfortable with bureaucracy and very clear processes. They concluded that most women don’t feel comfortable with the free form, less structured nature of startups. Their suggestion was for startups to become more bureaucratic to attract women which of course would be the kiss of death for startups as anyone who has been in one will tell you

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Anonymous
  37. Rosie says:
    @Antlitz Grollheim

    Venting about women inappropriately and wastefully invading the sphere of men is no slander against women as such.

    It is a slander when you accuse usbof incompetence.

  38. Rosie says:
    @Call me neurotic

    The study took place in Israel.

    It also rings painfully true to any honest observer of men and women.

  39. Rosie says:
    @BB753

    They knew that women, once admitted, would turn them upside down, subvert their true goal, learning, and ultimately destroy them.

    There you go again blaming women for the actions of alien elites. There are no words to describe the appalling gullibility of the White man when it comes to these divide and conquer tactics.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Disagree: BB753
  40. Rosie says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You see, not all iStevers think women are useless.

    Why do people like BB753 get no pushback? Numerous times I have been told that istevers are not monolithic on the WQ, and maybe that’s true, but it doesn’t really matter if only one point of view is expressed.

    Buzz, in the past you have scolded me for apparently seeing women as a special interest Bloc, but what do you expect when we are constantly attacked and threatened as a group?

  41. Brutusale says:
    @Rosie

    I imagine the study subjects were mostly dudes from Millennial and Gen X, groups indistinguishable from women in the first place.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Rosie
  42. Bill B. says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Tommy Robinson. He is a loud, angry man

    Whether Mr Robinson was wise in his actions outside a trial court I do not know but anger and turning up the volume would appear entirely appropriate reactions to the establishment’s betraying of the white working class and the predations of tribal bigots.

    Islam’s votaries fully intend that their universalistic creed will trump and make a mockery of British liberals’ pretensions to also follow a universal doctrine.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @James N. Kennett
  43. Rosie says:
    @Brutusale

    I imagine the study subjects were mostly dudes from Millennial and Gen X, groups indistinguishable from women in the first place.

    Gossip and backbiting must be heavily repressed among women in order for us to do what we do. It helps that we don’t have an obsession with establishing a strict pecking order, so we don’t feel the need to cut others down in order to raise our own status.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Bel Riose
  44. Bill B. says:
    @dearieme

    In the UK context this is actually very serious: it is almost inevitable there will be more 2011 scale riots and there is a non negligible chance of civil war at some future date.

    Thanks to the ethnic quilt of peace that is modern Britain the police will be forced to rely heavily on ordinary constables issued with basic riot gear to tidy up around the fringes as the rioters tire and choose to go home with their loot (in the optimistic scenario), as happened in 2011.

    I saw film of police squads trotting out in robo-cop gear where many of the officers were clearly ludicrously out-of-shape and appeared struggling to even march quickly in full fig.

  45. 22pp22 says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Tommy Robinson has something completely missing in the vast majority of modern humans – courage.

    Britain went down without a fight, but at least no one could accuse them of being loud or angry.

    • Replies: @jim jones
  46. jim jones says:
    @22pp22

    Brits have finally had enough:

  47. Blogging and commenting upon an endless cavalcade of minor social justice incidents is really just gossiping, too.

  48. @Rosie

    Rosie – he was just joshing you (I admit I smiled at his comment).

    People don’t half bite easily on this blog if you push the right button – which is why Corvinus is still with us.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  49. @Rosie

    Not only one point of view is expressed. You can see that, right? I mean, are you reading my comments, for example?

    Have you seen our host express misogynistic or extreme, monolithic views about women? He’s way out of my league, and he seems to be pretty gentle where I would just sound course. Men have a right to complain, and that’s some of what you are seeing here sometimes.

    This is the internet, remember? I don’t push back at BBxyz commenters because it is best just to let it be and not make an issue. I haven’t felt the need to prove to female readers that I am a white knight, or that I even care what some random dude thinks. The level here is high enough that we can just glide over stuff and let guys vent.

    One aspect, though where I think you have brought to mind a very important point for our ‘movement/alt-right/whatever,’ is this: We should not want the equivalent of skinhead Nazis (or more likely fake, disinformation-serving actors) here to make us look bad ala Charlottesville, to give us a bad image. Maybe that has happened here for you. I don’t know. My view is that most of us are very reasonable guys.

    I have more to say, but I need to take care of some other things in my life, like a lawnmower with a drive belt that came off and requires that I take apart the whole damn machine…

    Later.

  50. Yak-15 says:
    @jim jones

    It’s heart-warming to see this protest. But I am glad my ancestors left that awful country and created this one.

    England has become an utter disgrace.

  51. Yak-15 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Many of the ANTIFA people are pretty feeble.

  52. Pericles says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Rioters themselves tend to be pretty macho. Pussy Riot is no exception.

    Weren’t those witches driven off by a single cossack with a knotted rope? Oh yeah, lol, here they are.

  53. BB753 says:
    @Rosie

    That’s the difference between a conservative and a reactionary. As Lawrence Auster used to say, conservatives react far too late to the trends that are destroying society. My comments about women might sound mean-spirited, but only a liberal would disagree with me.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  54. Yak-15 says:
    @James N. Kennett

    How does filming defendants bar them from receiving a fair trial?

    The notion that publicly covering a trial prevents an impartial judicial process is completely preposterous. Using that reasoning, you would have to grant every high profile defendant a mistrial. And that is patently absurd.

  55. Pericles says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Getting murdered in prison by the connivance of the court is clearly too good for that one.

  56. Pericles says:
    @James N. Kennett

    The so-called ‘shield run’ involves officers covering a distance of 500 metres in less than two minutes, 45 seconds while wearing full riot gear and carrying a shield.

    But when Inspector Diane Bamber, 51, failed to meet the time limit, she claimed she had been left humiliated.

    She brought a sex and age discrimination case against her force, Greater Manchester Police, and now stands to win up to £30,000 after an employment tribunal ruled in her favour.

    Poor old grandma, now deploy her in the front line of a few hard riots so she can prove society wrong.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  57. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheBoom

    That’s an intelligence not gender issue. Dumb people need clearly defined rules to function effectively. Smart people know what to do even when no rules are defined.

    • Replies: @IBC
  58. Clyde says:
    @BB753

    Now we know why our wise forefathers didn’t allow women anywhere near institutions of higher education. They knew that women, once admitted, would turn them upside down, subvert their true goal, learning, and ultimately destroy them. They have been proven right.

    Women had separate educations as in:
    Harvard men – Radcliffe women
    Columbia men – Barnard women

    There were plenty of elite woman’s universities.
    Vassar – now has men
    Wellesley – still all female ___ Hillary went there
    Smith —still all female with an old timey 1930s lesbian reputation. Tuition $50,000 with 2500 female undergraduates

    The Seven Sisters all female universities in Western Massachusetts (Two now admit cucked men)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sisters_%28colleges%29

  59. @jim jones

    That particular chant stems from the Chicory Tip song ‘son of my father’ from ’72.

  60. Bel Riose says:
    @Rosie

    Of course women establish a pecking order: it’s based on how attractive a woman is.

    The more attractive she is, the higher up on the pecking order she is.

    Are you being deliberately obtuse?

  61. Pettiness and petulance from brain-dead women is why Mike Pence and the treasonous globalizers are doomed. Mike Pence and the other pussy boys in the GOP have no guts, nuts or heart — and many of us could rhetorically eviscerate Pence and his pussy boy globalizer pals in a debate. Pence is paid by the globalizers and plutocrats to keep the focus off the issues that are destroying the United States. Many White women listen to treasonous rat politician whores such as Mike Pence.

    All the nonsense stops when we get solid leadership determined to stop the mass immigration, globalization, multiculturalism, financialization and monetary extremism destroying the United States. When the next phase of the global financial implosion hits, all the small ball nonsense the corporate media uses to distract the people from the big issues will be swept away.

    At a certain point, which would have arrived by now if not for the monetary extremism currently ongoing, there would have been a reckoning and patriotic men and women would have put a stop to all the nonsense going on. An American White woman who has brains and a strong patriotic spirit — such as that of Frenchwoman Marine Le Pen — could be the leader.

    But it must be said that on average women do not have the ability to focus on the big civilizational issues without being distracted by the fluff from the corporate media. White women voters will be the focus until elections no longer matter as a determination of who wields the political power.

  62. Mr. Anon says:
    @James N. Kennett

    It appears he has been sent to prison for filming the defendants outside court in a trial, in defiance of reporting restrictions and in breach of a court order banning him from this very activity.

    Was that ruling lawful? Who can say in a country with no written Constitution and a judiciary that is hostile to the nation? Anything that any ponce with a powdered wig says goes, I guess.

    The purpose of these rules is to give defendants the best chance of a fair trial.

    And did Tommy Robinson get a fair trial prior to his 13 months in the clink? Anyway, I rather think the real purpose of these rules is to keep from the british public any knowledge of the depredations practiced against them and their daughters.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  63. unit472 says:

    For some reason this reminds me of that former Playboy model who sued the NYPD for ‘inappropriate’ touching when she was arrested, got a $1.2 million settlement from the city and jumped last week with her 7 year old son in tow from a 25th floor window!

  64. Instead, with the mass entry of women into the work force, we appear to have entered a New Age of History, in which History will largely consist not of ideological struggle over vast ideas, but of men and women arguing over petty incidents at work of who said what to whom and what exactly were they implying by the tone of how they said it.

    When Fukuyama’s book came out, i was engaged with “other things”, but basically i thought “ok, yeah”. There didn’t seem to be any credible ideological challenge to representative democracy and capitalism. The increased muzzie radicalism seemed to be a reaction to modernization (and Israel) and likely to burn itself out. While there were all sorts of territorial disputes–ex Soviet boundaries, the Balkans, Israel/Palestine, Kashmir, Tibet, Timor …–you figure that those can and will over time resolve–someone wins, new states, adjusted borders, people move. And then while not “world brotherhood”, you sort of figure that everyone can go about their business in their nation–mutually beneficial trading–and avoid real capital H, History.

    What i didn’t understand or count on was that Western “elites” were in the process of going stark raving nuts. That homosexuals getting “married” was to become a critical “human right”, then on to mentally ill boys in the girls’ locker room. That women not being as interested in technology, machines, “how stuff works” was actually “discrimination” and needed to be “fixed”. Or that the further we got from Jim Crow, the more blacks behaving badly would be my fault. But most of all–in some bizarre universalization of Jewish ideology–that every damn person on the planet has an inherent right to plop their ass in any nation they like regardless of what the natives think or want, and opposition is … racism!, beyond the pale, to be hunted down and stamped out. So that the future–instead of seeing ethnic conflicts gradually recede as people are aligned in their correct nation–will be one of endless ethnic conflict inside of every (Western) nation … forever.

    I.e. i didn’t foresee that elites were so fanatically possessed that they actually wanted to *break* everything and have endless conflict instead of peace.

  65. L Woods says:
    @BB753

    I’m not sure what he meant by that. It seems to me that conservatives whine and carry on (ineffectually) about whatever the left is forcing on society as the imposition is happening, but forget about or embrace it forever once it’s fait accompli. Then, they posture and signal against anyone who has a problem with it, or at best give the empty crimestop stare to anyone who brings it up.

    • Agree: BB753
  66. IBC says:
    @Anonymous

    Smart people know what to do even when no rules are defined.

    What about social rules?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  67. JackOH says:
    @AnotherDad

    AD, yours is an important comment.

    ” . . . Western “elites” were in the process of going stark raving nuts.”

    ” . . . [E]lites were so fanatically possessed that they actually wanted to *break* everything and have endless conflict instead of peace.”

    Where’s that peace dividend again? Or that Golden Age? I’d thought Fukuyama had overshot the mark with that “end of history” stuff, but didn’t think much more about it.

    All I can think of is that our politics are so deoxygenated by massive constituencies that ferociously protect their preferences, entitlements, transfers, and so on, that a young, unscrupulous politician on the make has little choice but to “work” bizarre domestic issues and that top fave, foreign policy and military adventureism. Too friggin’ bad.

  68. @AnotherDad

    Nah, I don’t see it this way, Another Dad. I mean, I don’t thing anyone went stark raving mad. You admit you were engaged with “other things” at that time of Fukuyama’s book* (early ’90′s). I have had times myself that I didn’t pay attention to politics. However, my Dad did, so I have a continuum in my head of the gist of it all.

    It just SEEMS like the elites, neocons, globalists, and cntrl-left in general have gone stark raving mad, but they have been slowly building up to the level of stupidity that exists in the current year. We thought we were holding on own against the Commies from the 1950′s (with some worries around the early ’60′s) through 1989, and then that we had defeated them. Ronald Reagan, the old Pollack-Pope, Lech Walesa (and Solidarity) and millions of American soldiers, airmen, sailors, and engineers had won the external war.

    In the meantime the internal war against Communism was going badly but it’s hard to hear about that sort of thing when the press is part of the enemy. The stupidity did not rise to the surface until the end of the 1990′s, as these people had not infiltrated the institutions deeply enough yet. They are there now, and it does appear like sudden stark raving madness, but it’s not like they’ve changed any. They are in full control of the Press, the Deep State, the Universities (including the Ed-”schools” that indoctrinate our kids’ teachers), and the infotainment industry. They have nothing to hide now. Commies and the like are mad by definition.

    .
    .

    * No, I never read it, but just using this for the timeline.

  69. @Mr. Anon

    Was that ruling lawful?

    Yes.

    And did Tommy Robinson get a fair trial prior to his 13 months in the clink?

    Yes, he did.

    However, I agree with Douglas Murray about that case: mortgage fraud is a serious crime, but there is no doubt Robinson was investigated and prosecuted because he is Tommy Robinson. Murray then wondered why the police have not investigated Islamists for mortgage fraud, because there is no doubt that some of them would be found to be committing the same crime!

    In fact, it is even worse than Murray realised. When the police did catch an Islamic pseudo-charity taking a large sum of cash to Syria, they let the perps go (although the charity was forced to reform its governance). The police act as if they are terrified of confronting Muslim criminals. That is a genuine problem that really does need to be addressed.

    Anyway, I rather think the real purpose of these rules is to keep from the british public any knowledge of the depredations practiced against them and their daughters.

    Not so, because reporting restrictions of this kind are lifted at the end of the case (or after connected cases have concluded). Then the newspapers are free to print all sorts of evidence that was not admissible in court.

    As for keeping the public ignorant of depredations against their daughters, the sad truth is that the police and social services did this voluntarily, without instructions from any court.

    In the present case, Tommy Robinson is not performing a public information service, because he is acting after people have been charged with crimes and are being tried. It is not as if he is drawing attention to crimes that the police have overlooked.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    , @Rosie
  70. Rosie says:
    @Bill B.

    Whether Mr Robinson was wise in his actions outside a trial court I do not know but anger and turning up the volume would appear entirely appropriate reactions to the establishment’s betraying of the white working class and the predations of tribal bigots.

    That’s putting it mildly.

  71. @Bill B.

    Whether Mr Robinson was wise in his actions outside a trial court I do not know but anger and turning up the volume would appear entirely appropriate reactions to the establishment’s betraying of the white working class and the predations of tribal bigots.

    The time for anger is when the betrayal is taking place – not when suspects are actually being tried.

    We are fortunate that we live in countries where decisions about mass immigration from backward countries are ultimately controlled by votes in elections. There is no doubt that in Europe public opinion is turning against mass immigration, and the key to this process is persuasion. It is fair to say that persuasion is not Tommy Robinson’s strong suit.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Excal
  72. Rosie says:
    @Bel Riose

    Are you being deliberately obtuse?

    Please tell me you’re not this stupid. Grown women do not judge each other’s value based on appearance. The truly astonishing thing about you istevers is not that you are ignorant about women, but that you are so breathtakingly ignorant about your ignorance.

    Status among women is apportioned more or less the same as it is among men: reliability and strength of character. Obviously, we respect and admire women who can look fabulous and put-together while they’re kicking azz and taking names, but once again that is an issue of character, not physical beauty as such.

    I am not one of those women, but I am admired among women for other qualities. I am not indispensable, but I do make things more interesting.

  73. @Rosie

    On this kind of forum, silence does not necessarily give consent. It is not possible to reply to every comment one disagrees with, or the discussion would become unmanageable and very time-consuming.

  74. @Rosie

    It helps that we don’t have an obsession with establishing a strict pecking order, so we don’t feel the need to cut others down in order to raise our own status.

    C’mon. The sisterhood is a myth. I’ve never met a woman who reacted well to an offhand comment from another woman about the intelligence of her children, or the quality of their diet.

    Grown women do not judge each other’s value based on appearance.

    I’m fairly certain that women don’t buy Chanel handbags to impress men.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Rosie
    , @Brutusale
  75. Rosie says:
    @Bel Riose

    BTW Bel Riose, when you see women showing extraordinary deference to the most beautiful women, that is not a reflection of our values, but yours. It is a pecking order that men establish. We defer to beautiful women out of fear of the power they enjoy by virtue of being your favorites.

    Among ourselves, no such deference is expected or given.

    • Replies: @Bel Riose
  76. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @IBC

    Social rules too.

    Related: someone here recently suggested that it’s more important for people to be moral than smart. The problem is that a lot of moral behavior isn’t self-evident and requires some foresight and intelligence to understand.

    Dealing with stupid people is deeply unpleasant: they will casually lie to you, not caring if you catch them out. They will harm you without realizing it. They will harm you deliberately but expect you to forget quickly about it, and become indignant when you don’t. They take but don’t give. They don’t understand reciprocity.

    Obviously smart but immoral brings another set of problems, but it’s easier to be smart and moral than dumb and moral.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  77. There is little evidence for a general increase in sexual harassment claims by women over the last decade or so. What has happened is that the media is increasingly focusing on sexual harassment claims by high profile woman. Also left-wing activist groups are increasing pressuring/bribing high profile women and minorities into becoming mascots for their causes.

    • Agree: Rosie
  78. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosie

    but what do you expect when we are constantly attacked and threatened as a group?

    You aren’t being attacked and threatened as a group. Pointing out the disastrous consequences of women trying to take over male roles is not an attack on women. Far from it. Pushing women into roles for which they are unsuited puts women in danger and makes women miserable.

    Traditional sex roles lead to greater happiness and fulfilment for both men and women.

    As for being threatened, no-one here is threatening women so I have no idea where that accusation comes from.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Rosie
  79. Bel Riose says:
    @Rosie

    “Status among women is apportioned more or less the same as it is among men: reliability and strength of character. Obviously, we respect and admire women who can look fabulous and put-together while they’re kicking azz and taking names..”

    A sure tell of a brainwashed feminist is her attempt to hijack masculine virtues, like “reliability and strength of character,” along with “kicking azz and taking names.”

    Rosie reminds me of the women in today’s military, who — no matter how much they adopt male jargon and scowl and try to look stern — are still, at the end of the day, the Weaker Vessel. They know it, and the men know it, and the women know that the men know it, but hey — let’s all just pretend otherwise.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rosie
  80. Bel Riose says:
    @Rosie

    No, you defer to them for the same reason high school girls defer to the beautiful Mean Girls. And it has nothing to do with the “power they enjoy by virtue of being your favorites.”

    Be honest, now…

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @Rosie
  81. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bel Riose

    Apparently a hugely disproportionate number of police shootings of suspects are by female officers. The women know they can’t wrestle with men so immediately reach for their guns whenever there’s a physical confrontation.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Rosie
  82. @Rosie

    Say what you will about catty women, we’ve got nothing on the alt-Right as far as backstabbing and petty gossip are concerned.

    The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

    I’ve often wondered why they don’t study the temperance movement, or even the Girl Scouts, for a few pointers on how to set aside your differences for the sake of a noble cause.

    I’ve often wondered why so many more women passengers survived the sinking of the Titanic.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Rosie
  83. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    In most workplaces the highest status women is the fattest tallest ugliest meanest nastiest vicious black woman.

    Rosie’s right that all the men who comment on Unz know nothing about women. Supposedly Unz men are mostly middle aged married men.

    Judging from the comments I don’t think that’s true at all. It’s like Unz men were raised by single fathers with brothers and no sisters , went to all boys schools and have spent their lives away from women.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  84. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    It’s well known, women and children first is the motto of Christian European peoples.

  85. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s very true. An affirmative action illiterate black woman officer told me that a long time ago. Her exact words were “ I ain’t rolling around in the gutter with no n words”.

    Ironically one of the feminazi arguments for women uniformed patrol was that women’s newly discovered empathy and social skills would defuse situations and the women officers could talk down arrestees getting ready to erupt.

    Asian and Hispanic men officers are often ludicrously small compare to the black men they have to arrest. I saw 4
    5’4 Hispanics men arresting a hulking 6’4 Black guy once.

  86. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey guys, the attorneys, judges legislatures and EEOC people who imposed affirmative action for women and minorities were all White men betraying their own

    The worst was Chief Representative of Satan on the Supreme Court Justice Brennan the inventer of disparate impact.

    “ unequal representation is in and of itself clear and present evidence of discrimination”

    13 words by aWhite man that destroyed White Americans.

    Face it White men of Unz, it was White men and not all Jewish White men who did it.

    Feminazis? They were recruited trained and given the script to follow by the White male Rockefeller Foundation. Purpose?

    1 Add to the work force by one third by sending married women into the workplace.

    2 Union busting

    3. Stagnate wages and inflate prices

    4 return American workers to 19 century FOB immigrants desperate for any job.

    It succeeded all too well and good anti affirmative action White men were unable to do anything about it while the satanic White pro affirmative action men won without a fight due to judicial supremacy created by our White make founding fathers

    Elite White men used women gays and non Whites to destroy bourgeois and working clas White men

    Face it guys, your own race & gender compadres betrayed you.

  87. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bel Riose

    Women don’t defer to other women because they are the prettiest. Women don’t pay all that much attention to other women’s looks

    You don’t know anything about women You should stop displaying your ignorance about women.

  88. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bel Riose

    Never heard such nonsense. Just because you are attracted and defer to good looking women doesn’t mean women do the same.

    Another ignorant statement by an ignoramous. Did you grow up and still live in some all male Tibetan monastery or something Have you ever had a conversation with a woman including your mother?

  89. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bel Riose

    So you believe a movie is true? And what are you doing watching middle school girl chick flicks? The mean girls weren’t better looking than the girls they were mean to.

  90. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    Puhleeeze half the comments on Unz are just ignorant attacks on women by sexually frustrated men.

    Why not attack affirmative action for non White immigrant men? I think a lot of you are Stem tech men laid off for less skilled Chinese and Indian immigrant men.

    I notice that you guys never attack affirmative action for non White men.

  91. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @James N. Kennett

    What does an expensive handbag have to do with a women’s looks ?

    Beauty is beauty the clothes don’t matter.

  92. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    This morning Louis Farrakhan just preached a sermon calling for the end of all White men.

    Any of you frustrated old codgers have any comments about that? Or do you want to just keep making absurd ignorant comments about women that display the fact that you know nothing about women?

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @Anonymous
  93. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    A lot of the guys posting here ARE non-White men. This isn’t a WN website.

  94. @Rosie

    The truly astonishing thing about you istevers is not that you are ignorant about women, but that you are so breathtakingly ignorant about your ignorance.

    You do realise a great many of us, if not the majority, are happily married with children, right?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  95. JackOH says:
    @Anon

    Anon, do you have a link or reference?

    I think I’ve tried to alert folks here to the evil of Black Supremacism, a hodge-podge of sketchy ideas that animates some Black folks to a greater or lesser extent. I don’t think anyone’s really in touch with the danger those ideas present to our lives and livelihoods. I’ll sum up: your master’s in engineering don’ mean shit, your safety and your dignity don’ mean shit, your property don’ mean shit—’cause Black folks are Number One. I’m not being jocose.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  96. @James N. Kennett

    James N. Kennett wrote:

    It appears he has been sent to prison for filming the defendants outside court in a trial, in defiance of reporting restrictions and in breach of a court order banning him from this very activity.

    Yeah, because as everyone knows, judges are gods and their every word is holy!

    Of course, we could try a system where all human beings are equal before the law, but then our judges, legislators, and other government officials would be in a huge amount of trouble, wouldn’t they?

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights… that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it…”

    Is it illegal to post those words in the UK now? Come to think of it, maybe it always was illegal in the UK.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  97. @James N. Kennett

    J. N.. Kennett wrote:

    In the present case, Tommy Robinson is not performing a public information service, because he is acting after people have been charged with crimes and are being tried. It is not as if he is drawing attention to crimes that the police have overlooked.

    But, it is during the trial that the story is hot. There is an obvious journalistic reason why the US media gave so much attention to the OJ trial during the trial.

    If you want to get and keep the public’s attention, you need to do so at the right time, and that is during the trial.

    No, Tommy Robinson is not an “objective journalist,” but then neither are CNN, the NYT, the BBC, the WaPo, FoxNews, or any other journalists.

    Freedom of the press means that journalists, with all their faults and biases, decide how and when to cover a story, not pompous, bewigged jurists. And, in a free country, the contrary biases and prejudices of competing journalists give us a better chance of learning the truth than any sort of government control over the flow of information.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  98. @Anon

    It’s well known, women and children first is the motto of Christian European peoples.

    Way to miss the point, dude.

  99. @PhysicistDave

    But, it is during the trial that the story is hot. There is an obvious journalistic reason why the US media gave so much attention to the OJ trial during the trial.

    And the OJ case turned out so well, didn’t it?

    If you want to get and keep the public’s attention, you need to do so at the right time, and that is during the trial.

    It is more important to have a fair trial. The story is still hot after the verdict, and any parts of the story that were inadmissible in court will be told then.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @PhysicistDave
  100. @PhysicistDave

    I envy America’s constitutional protection of free speech. The rest of the world would be far better off if we followed America’s example.

    However, the media circus that surrounds prominent criminal trials in the USA is one of the downsides of absolutely free speech. To delay prejudicial reporting until after a trial is a small price to pay for preserving the integrity of jury trials.

    What is far more sinister in the UK and the rest of Europe is the unduly broad prohibition of “hate speech”. It is doubtful that the Unz Review, for example, could be hosted anywhere except the USA.

  101. @Anon

    Puhleeeze half the comments on Unz are just ignorant attacks on women by sexually frustrated men

    We seem to be fast approaching a point where half the comments on Unz (or at least iSteve) are from low-effort trolls accusing everyone who diverges from neoliberal sociopolitical orthodoxy of being “sexually frustrated men.”

    • Replies: @L Woods
  102. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Don’t worry old buddy – The Economist magazine (the journal of the Deep State,) discerning overtime to accomplish that trifling little matter.
    Perhaps heavenly powers won’t accomplish Farrakhan’s wisy, but by Jingo, rest assured that the Lord of the Earth and all that’s in it – last seen residing in a herd of swine – will do it.

  103. Rosie says:
    @James N. Kennett

    In the present case, Tommy Robinson is not performing a public information service, because he is acting after people have been charged with crimes and are being tried. It is not as if he is drawing attention to crimes that the police have overlooked.

    I don’t know much about the details of this matter, but it seems to me that TR’s coverage is in the public interest regardless. The point of the coverage is not solely to draw attention to the crimes so that the perps can be brought to justice. The point is to shame the government for having allowed them into the country to begin with, and for continuing to allow in more and more despite their crimes against the natives.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  104. Rosie says:
    @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

    I’m going to channel my inner Stephan Molyneux. That’s not an argument.

    I’ve often wondered why so many more women passengers survived the sinking of the Titanic.

    Because we’re more biologically valuable than you, and gallantry improves a group’s inclusive fitness. WTH does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

  105. Rosie says:
    @Bel Riose

    No, you defer to them for the same reason high school girls defer to the beautiful Mean Girls. And it has nothing to do with the “power they enjoy by virtue of being your favorites.”

    I am being honest. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Middle school girls are painfully aware that the “popular girls” have the power to mark their lives hell, and mind their manners accordingly.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  106. The point of the coverage is not solely to draw attention to the crimes so that the perps can be brought to justice. The point is to shame the government for having allowed them into the country to begin with, and for continuing to allow in more and more despite their crimes against the natives.

    These are not bad points, but the time and place to protest is not outside an ongoing trial. If the accused claim racial/religious discrimination, and the jury hears and sees a baying mob of angry white skinheads outside the courtroom, this might prejudice the verdict.

  107. Rosie says:
    @Bel Riose

    A sure tell of a brainwashed feminist is her attempt to hijack masculine virtues, like “reliability and strength of character,” along with “kicking azz and taking names.”

    A sure sign of a MGtard losing an argument is his attempt to characterize everyone who disagrees with him as “feminist.”

    Reliability and strength of character are not masculine virtues, you ridiculous fool. They are universal. If you’d like to talk about masculine virtues, let’s do it. According to @JackD:

    Strength
    Courage
    mastery
    (Someone help me. I can’t remember the other. Honor?)

    These are indeed masculine virtues, but they have feminine analogues. Physical strength is not particularly valuable among women, but mental strength certainly is. Anytime these is any sort of family tragedy, women have to find a way to cope with their own emotions, the men’s, and the children’s, and somehow keep life humming along.

    Courage is not particularly valued among women, but level-headedness in an emergency certainly is, and that is nothing but a variation on courage. Mastery is a masculine virtue, but knowledge is prized among women. How to economize food resources, how to nip a flu in the bud, how to defuse conflicts among the youth, etc….

    Now do me a favor: listen more, talk less. You might learn something..

    Rosie reminds me of the women in today’s military, who — no matter how much they adopt male jargon and scowl and try to look stern — are still, at the end of the day, the Weaker Vessel. They know it, and the men know it, and the women know that the men know it, but hey — let’s all just pretend otherwise.

    You are trying to discredit me by associating me with positions you know perfectly well I do not hold. Astute readers will not be fooled.

    • Replies: @Bel Riose
  108. @Rosie

    (earlier)

    BTW Bel Riose, when you see women showing extraordinary deference to the most beautiful women, that is not a reflection of our values, but yours. It is a pecking order that men establish. We defer to beautiful women out of fear of the power they enjoy by virtue of being your favorites.

    Among ourselves, no such deference is expected or given.

    and

    I am being honest. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Middle school girls are painfully aware that the “popular girls” have the power to mark their lives hell, and mind their manners accordingly.

    Always blame the men. If the “popular girl” hierarchy is created by boys, then this kind of female-to-female deference would not occur in girls’ boarding schools. Alas, it does occur, as friends’ daughters can testify in horrifying detail.

    You appear to believe that women are perfect creatures, untouched by Original Sin. When a man does something bad, it’s his fault. When a woman does something bad, it’s because a man made her do it.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  109. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    Apparently a hugely disproportionate number of police shootings of suspects are by female officers. The women know they can’t wrestle with men so immediately reach for their guns whenever there’s a physical confrontation.

    This is actually a good argument for excluding women from policing except to the extent that they are needed for undercover work. Contrary to popular belief, you don’t need to constantly insult women in order to advocate for men’s legitimate interests.

  110. Rosie says:
    @dfordoom

    As for being threatened, no-one here is threatening women so I have no idea where that accusation comes from.

    You most certainly are threatening women. You are threatening to take away our hard-won right not to be forced into prostitution on account of the fact that we can’t earn our own living. Perhaps you mean well, and perhaps you have your reasons, but let’s don’t pretend you’re not threatening us.

    You have a right to your point of view, and we most certainly have every right to defend ourselves.

  111. @Anon

    I notice that you guys never attack affirmative action for non White men.

    You’re new here, aren’t you?

  112. Rosie says:
    @James N. Kennett

    C’mon. The sisterhood is a myth. I’ve never met a woman who reacted well to an offhand comment from another woman about the intelligence of her children, or the quality of their diet.

    Utter nonsense.

    I’m fairly certain that women don’t buy Chanel handbags to impress men

    Meanwhile, the percentage of women who own Chanel handbags is almost certainly a fraction of 1%. Some days I come on this site and find men bitching about how vain and shallow we are. Other days you all are bitching that we don’t put on makeup to go to the gym, then shower and reapply before we stop by the store to pick up a loaf of bread. Come to think of it, why are we buying that loaf of bread anyway? Because we’re too lazy to bake it from scratch, of course.

  113. @Rosie

    Utter nonsense.

    We seem to inhabit quite different worlds. I am unfamiliar with the egalitarian, non-hierarchical sisterhood that you describe. Are you writing from a nunnery?

    Meanwhile, the percentage of women who own Chanel handbags is almost certainly a fraction of 1%.

    The point is that these, and other less expensive goods, assert a woman’s status among other women. It is women who judge other women on this basis. A straight man will probably not even notice branded apparel; and if he does, he would take it as a negative, a warning that the wearer is “high maintenance”.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Rosie
  114. @Rosie

    Other days you all are bitching that we don’t put on makeup to go to the gym, then shower and reapply before we stop by the store to pick up a loaf of bread. Come to think of it, why are we buying that loaf of bread anyway? Because we’re too lazy to bake it from scratch, of course.

    Rosie, let’s get our priorities straight:

    You must wear five-inch heels when you do all those things. It’s a requirement.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  115. @Anon

    Rosie’s right that all the men who comment on Unz know nothing about women. Supposedly Unz men are mostly middle aged married men. Judging from the comments I don’t think that’s true at all.

    It’s partly right. Unz readers are a bunch of 50-something, semi-retired, White collar spergs who, while married, still know nothing about women, and not much about anything else, either. But according to them, they’re the high IQ set and their opinion on everything is worth setting down on gold-embossed parchment. The arrogant manner in which they carry on with subjects they do not understand, using long-discredited, stale, and frankly rather silly arguments, is typical of the sort of sanctimonious Baby Boomer jackassery by which they vainly try to suppress the fact that they are the ones who dropped the ball on Western Civilization.

    A lot of the “race-realism” and “sex-realism” one finds here is simply a bitter reminiscence upon the days when men like them had, to use their parlance, “high sex market value.” They had good jobs in the stable, White Utopia that existed at the very crest of centuries of Western development, so they had access to better women than they would have otherwise deserved. They never had to learn anything about how the world really worked. If they had, they would realize that you can’t defend the White race with dimwitted Dawinistic philosophasty or the male-female distinction with Heartiste’s onanistic flimflam.

  116. L Woods says:
    @Bel Riose

    Anyone who’s observed them in the real world for more than 15 seconds knows this to be the case: they very obviously sort themselves socially by physical attractiveness.

  117. L Woods says:
    @Anon

    Puhleeeze half the comments on Unz are just ignorant attacks on women by sexually frustrated men.

    Yawn.

    I notice that you guys never attack affirmative action for non White men.

    Can I brand this one a troll, or is everyone going to rush to defend the honor of this fair maiden too

  118. Rosie says:
    @James N. Kennett

    We are fortunate that we live in countries where decisions about mass immigration from backward countries are ultimately controlled by votes in elections.

    WTF?

  119. L Woods says:
    @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    Shaming language and inane non-sequitors are all they’ve got. Unfortunately, it’s also all they need.

  120. L Woods says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The only thing anyone would want to see her in is a burqa, I can all but assure you.

  121. Rosie says:
    @3g4me

    The temperance movement or Girl Scouts were “noble causes”? The first, despite a legitimate problem of needy families due to drunk dads, was another army of moral militant busybodies who wanted the world to resemble kindergarten class – just like today’s SJWs, albeit less crude (no pussy hats).

    As to the former, act like grown men instead of kindergarteners. Hold each other accountable! If you had dealt with the wife beaters yourselves, there would have been no need for a temperance movement. As to the latter, I agree. Still, they’re obviously doing something right.

  122. Rosie says:
    @Autochthon

    You do realise a great many of us, if not the majority, are happily married with children, right?

    Then reign in these deranged misogynists for the sake of your daughters.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  123. Rosie says:
    @James N. Kennett

    It is more important to have a fair trial. The story is still hot after the verdict, and any parts of the story that were inadmissible in court will be told then.

    The White man’s disease: He is ever-solicitous for the rights and interests of the alien.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  124. Rosie says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Always blame the men. If the “popular girl” hierarchy is created by boys, then this kind of female-to-female deference would not occur in girls’ boarding schools. Alas, it does occur, as friends’ daughters can testify in horrifying detail.

    I will tell you right now that I have experienced both coed and single-sex education, and it is patently obvious that looks play less of a role in a girl’s social experience in all-girls’ schools, which is precisely why I’m an advocate. Girls are more often liked for being funny, smart, etc in a single-sex environment.

  125. Rosie says:
    @James N. Kennett

    We seem to inhabit quite different worlds. I am unfamiliar with the egalitarian, non-hierarchical sisterhood that you describe. Are you writing from a nunnery?

    Do you or do you not recognize that men and women are different? If yes, can you at least acknowledge the possibility that we are better than you in some ways?

  126. Rosie says:
    @James N. Kennett

    The point is that these, and other less expensive goods, assert a woman’s status among other women. It is women who judge other women on this basis. A straight man will probably not even notice branded apparel; and if he does, he would take it as a negative, a warning that the wearer is “high maintenance”.

    Let’s assume for the sake of argument that we buy handbags to impress other women. That right there proves that we do not assign status based on physical beauty, at the very least not according to your definition of beauty. As you say yourself, a handbag doesn’t make women any better-looking.

    Now I have a question: Do you actually think that a $20 bag at target has the same utility as a $200 Coach or Dooney & Bourke? Because they don’t.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  127. @Intelligent Dasein

    You sound like a young man who needs the GPS app on his iPhone to find Gräfenberg.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  128. Rosie says:

    BTW, another thing you need to understand about women is that we are aesthetic beings, like you are. Have you ever seen something that lifts your spirits because of its beauty, and inspires a desire to possess it, such as a car or a boat? For women, it’s often handbags, but this is not a universal fixation among women. I have a thing for ceramics and other housewares myself.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Bel Riose
    , @Steve Sailer
  129. Excal says:
    @James N. Kennett

    We are fortunate that we live in countries where decisions about mass immigration from backward countries are ultimately controlled by votes in elections.

    Marvellous! What countries are those?

    Or are you perhaps one of those charming American innocents who thinks the character of your government is wholly captured in Freedom of Speech by Norman Rockwell? If so, you are a good and pure soul, and in all sincerity I hope you stay that way.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  130. Bel Riose says:
    @Rosie

    Men’s spirits are lifted by things which inspire: something from nature, perhaps, or even a piece of music, or the written word. Even an idea will do. Whatever it is, it’s generally something sublime, noble, and challenging.

    According to Rosie, women draw their inspiration from — handbags.

    The terrifying thing about this is that she’s right.

    The Greek philosopher who said that morally and intellectually, women are somewhere between infants and adults was spot-on.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Rosie
    , @Rosie
  131. Bel Riose says:
    @Rosie

    Where does “kicking azz and taking names” fit into the female hierarchy of values?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  132. @Buzz Mohawk

    You sound like a young man who needs the GPS app on his iPhone to find Gräfenberg.

    Thank you for proving my point.

    This statement follows from nothing that I actually wrote, is objectively false, and demonstrates an intemperate desire to engage in baseless conjectural tit-for-tat—like a woman. I am not exactly young, nor do I own an iPhone. Coy allusions to Grafenberg are spergy and display an “understanding” of women gleaned mainly from anatomical charts (doubly spergy).

    But of most significance is the fact that you honestly believe you’ve scored a rhetorical touche with this bland bit of effrontery. In your world this may count as an actual insult; in reality it isn’t one. There are more important things in life than getting laid, especially if one wishes to be capable of the self-sacrifices necessary to restore this moldering pile of excrement we call a society. No one at all fit for such a task would be distracted by scurrilous snickering about his sexual prowess; on the contrary, a pure and unsullied virginity he would hold in high esteem, and would not be ashamed to take that path if he could manage it. So much the more of himself could he then devote to the reading, writing, working, fighting, and other arduous spiritual labors without the performance of which we are surely doomed.

    The Little Blue Pill-popping brigade has proven that they lack the self-discipline required to haul our civilization back from the brink. They won’t even be bothered to stop borrowing and spending the country into oblivion. HELOCs for helots, pills for thrills. I can in no way be offended by such insults, but I can and do deplore that they are found among you.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @vinteuil
  133. @Excal

    ROTFL!

    Haven’t you noticed how terrified the political classes are when voters give the “wrong” answer, whether for Trump, Brexit, or Italy’s M5S? At that point they dig in their heels and hope that voters will change their minds next time round. The most important thing is persistence: never give up, and eventually “deplorable” policies will be implemented.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  134. @Rosie

    The White man’s disease: He is ever-solicitous for the rights and interests of the alien.

    Due process for all. John Adams defended the British soldiers tried for the Boston Massacre, because he believed above all in their right to a fair trial.

    FYI, there’s more on TR today at ZeroHedge.

  135. @Intelligent Dasein

    Did you take a blue pill to achieve such turgidity?

    Here’s good one from you:

    There are more important things in life than getting laid, especially if one wishes to be capable of the self-sacrifices necessary to restore this moldering pile of excrement we call a society.

    Spoken like a guy who can’t get laid.

    Your comment made my dentures fall out. I pooped my diaper too!

    You already made “objectively false” statements in an “intemperate desire” to insult, and then you engaged in screeching projection when you saw the same things in someone’s response. You would call that female behavior, but calling it that would make you one of the old farts you accuse here. I just call it human, because unlike you, apparently, I have known women and know what they are like.

    I found places before their names were popularized and they appeared on charts, Saint Dasein, but I do appreciate your monk-like efforts to save my civilization. That’s very humble of you.

    Sex is part of women and men and the interaction between them. If you think you can even begin to understand women and life (much less “restore” society! LOL) while turning your back on it, then you are the “sperg.”

  136. @Bel Riose

    Oh come on! You’re making us look exactly like what Rosie and others have been describing. I’m going defend womankind here.

    Rosie says,

    Have you ever seen something that lifts your spirits because of its beauty, and inspires a desire to possess it, such as a car or a boat?

    And you say,

    Men’s spirits are lifted by things which inspire…

    And I say here is a man’s handbag that satisfies both:

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  137. @James N. Kennett

    James N. Kennett wrote to me:

    And the OJ case turned out so well, didn’t it?

    Well, James, I must admit that I mentioned the OJ case hoping that you would step in it, and, sure enough, you did!

    You are arguing that unbridled media coverage will prevent the defendants from getting a fair trial. In the OJ case, there certainly was unbridled media coverage, greater than any other trial in my lifetime, and, yet, that did not prevent OJ from getting a fair trial.

    Maybe you haven’t heard: despite massively negative media coverage, OJ was acquitted.

    You just destroyed your own argument, fellow, and you don’t even realize it!

  138. @Rosie

    Rosie wrote:

    I don’t know much about the details of this matter, but it seems to me that TR’s coverage is in the public interest regardless. The point of the coverage is not solely to draw attention to the crimes so that the perps can be brought to justice. The point is to shame the government for having allowed them into the country to begin with, and for continuing to allow in more and more despite their crimes against the natives.

    Exactly. I doubt that Tommy Robinson cares a whole lot about the defendants except for an abstract hope that justice be done. What he is trying to do is bring attention to a broader issue: the malfeasance of the authorities. And, clearly the best time to do this is during the trial.

    Of course, by jailing him, the elite are turning TR into a martyr. Probably not the wisest move on the part of the ruling elite.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  139. @James N. Kennett

    James N. Kennett wrote:

    The most important thing is persistence: never give up, and eventually “deplorable” policies will be implemented.

    Well, James, over here in the former colonies, it took a violent revolution. I don’t know how to break this to you, but the “system” often does not work, except of course for the ruling elite.

  140. Rosie says:
    @Bel Riose

    Where does “kicking azz and taking names” fit into the female hierarchy of values?

    It’s a metaphor. I wasn’t talking about literal azzes. I was talking about solving problems and getting things done. Yes, we do value efficacy.

  141. Rosie says:
    @Bel Riose

    Men’s spirits are lifted by things which inspire: something from nature, perhaps, or even a piece of music, or the written word. Even an idea will do. Whatever it is, it’s generally something sublime, noble, and challenging.

    Your problem Bel Riose is that you artificial draw a bright line between the sublime and the mundane, the beautiful and the utilitarian, as a result of which you have been assaulting us with monstrosities like this for decades now. Seriously, what did we ever do to you that calls for this kind of aesthetic violence against our senses?

    http://topiklan.info/chair-with-refrigerator/chair-with-refrigerator-la-z-boy-cool-cooler-leather-built-in-fridge-chair-recliner-with-mini-fridge-built-recliner-chair-fridge-speakers/

  142. Rosie says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Of course, by jailing him, the elite are turning TR into a martyr. Probably not the wisest move on the part of the ruling elite.

    I hope you’re right.

  143. Rosie says:
    @Bel Riose

    Moroccan tagines, famous for their beauty and functionality.

    A Tibetan teapot

    • Replies: @Rosie
  144. @Rosie

    There you go again: a Liberated Woman of the Nineties expecting the men you are equal to to protect you from the Mean Words and Hurtful Ideas of other men.

    Uh uh. You think your interlocutor is misogynistic, YOU take him to task. And mind you, he may well readily and gleefully admit to being a misogynist, then leave you to make the argument there is anything wrong with that.

    Women like you have told us to hear you, so roar already.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  145. @Rosie

    My wife has some nice handbags we’ve bought in her home country. They produce leather items for designers in Italy. We bought them from the original makers, thousands of dollars of stuff for maybe a tenth to a fifth of the cost.

    We have done the same thing for fantastic leather and sheepskin coats for both of us. My God, I have a couple that would cost $thousands in the US, and so does she.

    People don’t understand that the markup is crazy big. They think the quality requires the prices they pay, but they are mistaken.

  146. @Rosie

    Women competing over handbags doesn’t threaten to steal away other women’s husbands, since the marrying kind of men never notice women’s handbags.

  147. Mishra says:
    @AnotherDad

    But most of all–in some bizarre universalization of Jewish ideology–that every damn person on the planet has an inherent right to plop their ass in any nation they like regardless of what the natives think or want, and opposition is … racism!, beyond the pale, to be hunted down and stamped out.

    Not to pick nits, but this “inherent right” pertains not to everyone, but to everyone except white people.

    And given that virtually every white nation is currently being converted into a third-world cesspool, the conclusion is obvious: there is to be no safe place anywhere on earth for white people, and ultimately no white people.

    As smart as our overlords believe themselves to be, one still wonders how well they’ve thought this through. They have thought it through, right? It’s a strategy, right? Not just blind tribal hatred. Right?

  148. Rosie says:
    @Autochthon

    YOU take him to task.

    You know, it wouldn’t bother me so much that no one takes him to task other than me, except for the fact that numerous istevers seem perfectly willing to take me to task for taking him to task. What’s more, they get bent out of shape when I conclude from this state of affairs that you all agree with him.

    After all, I’m not suggesting you do anything I don’t do myself. I distanced myself from the anti-male actions and attitudes of the subjects of this article, did I not? Of course, I did so not because I think you all are incapable, but because I wanted to defend my own honor. Get it?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  149. vinteuil says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I.D., I sincerely think you should step away from the keyboard for awhile. You seem to be suffering some sort of breakdown. Some of your recent comments here make for truly lamentable reading. E.g.:

    “…faggot…whore of a mother…couchie-juice [sic]…worthless ass…bitch…low-life sack of shit…motherfucker. I will massacre you. I will fuck you up…I will slaughter you…faggot-fuck…I will wipe my fucking ass with you…”

    This is no way for a student of Aristotle & St Thomas to conduct himself in public.

  150. JackOH says:
    @vinteuil

    Yeah. Plus, this thread has me thinking that big White-dude liberation march in D. C. won’t be happenin’ this fall.

  151. @Buzz Mohawk

    Well, that four wheeled handbag you posted might just get a guy laid, but a woman’s handbag might just get a gal coveted.

    Which might just be the intended purpose of both.

  152. The news blackout on Tommy Robinson’s imprisonment was lifted today. Reporting restrictions remain on the trial Robinson was covering.

    When there is a complete news blackout on a trial, the reason is often that there are multiple related cases, and news about one might prejudice the outcome of the others. In such a situation, everything gets reported when the last trial finishes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/29/edl-founder-tommy-robinson-jailed-13-months

  153. Brutusale says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Not joking at all. I can’t look at many “guys” under 40 and not think that they’re gay, like the guy who comes into Starbucks every morning looking like a rag bag but with his complex hairdo perfectly done.

    And Rosie, I hear stories every day from my nurse girlfriend about how cooperative and supportive all-female environments are. Not.

    And speaking of Starbucks, I was talking to one of the baristas this morning (one of the two best looking ones there, and they’re both on the Right) about today’s 2-Minutes Hate, and she said she was able to opt out of it. Makes me hate Starbucks corporate a but less.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  154. Brutusale says:
    @Pericles

    Really. The next time Stabbi Al-Stabber goes off in Londonistan, she’s first in.

  155. Brutusale says:
    @Bel Riose

    Women by themselves do no such thing. They tend to tear down the best looking to bring them back to the herd.

  156. Rosie says:
    @Brutusale

    And Rosie, I hear stories every day from my nurse girlfriend about how cooperative and supportive all-female environments are. Not.

    I’m curious. What’s the ethnic mix?

    Either way, they get the job done or they get shut down. Isn’t that right?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  157. Brutusale says:
    @James N. Kennett

    This.

    Even Saudi women feel the pressure in women-only situations.

    Start at 26:30.

  158. Brutusale says:
    @Rosie

    Please…my bag-whore girlfriend has over 30 designer bags: Coach, D & B, Kate Spade. She’s got about $20K tied up in handbags. I constantly give her a hard time about it because she’s always carrying a second, larger bag for her additional crap.

    They both say Kate Spade, honey, why not just one?

    NO woman is buying a designer bag for utility.

    FYI, she was excited that she just found $130 Hunter boots at Marshalls for $30. Like I care.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  159. Brutusale says:
    @Rosie

    About 80% Irish Catholic from Southie and Dorchester. Probably 60% 50/60-somethings, as it’s a union hospital where they make great money and nobody leaves. My Italian/English girlfriend doesn’t quite fit in because she’s not a porky little troll who was recently shucked by her husband after 25 years of marriage. She’s always invited, though, as she’s a great “wingwoman” to draw in the guys when they occasionally go out.

    The passive-aggressive things they do to each other are crazy. One example-vacations are based on seniority, and one of her office mates, a barren 60-something, takes her vacations during school holiday weeks to piss off the mothers under her on the seniority list!

    She’s finally reached the point that she doesn’t care to get along anymore; her superiors recognize her worth and, as she’s spent 10 years at this hospital with these coworkers, she knows they’re all of a type. She’s proving my point with today’s warmer temperatures and going to work in a fitted sleeveless blouse. She wears a lab coat on the job, so the blouse is for her 3 office mates. Last night she said she’s going to point out that she’s the one with the right to bare arms.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  160. Rosie says:
    @Brutusale

    NO woman is buying a designer bag for utility.

    Yes, we do buy designer bags for utility. I certainly do. I only think about my bag once a year or so. I need it to hold up to very hard useand look presentable for some time.

  161. Rosie says:
    @Brutusale

    We

    She’s proving my point with today’s warmer temperatures and going to work in a fitted sleeveless blouse. She wears a lab coat on the job, so the blouse is for her 3 office mates.

    The question is why you think your girlfriend’s clothing and bag buying behavior represent all of womankind. My husband could just as well say women don’t buy dinnerware for utility based on his observations of my ceramics-buying behavior.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  162. @Rosie

    I get it, in so far as I understand your position, but you must defend yourself even from those you deem to be inappropriately piling on you for taking this or that other fellow to task; there’s no option to demand – or even expect – a champion. That’s real life for every man. You are your only champion. Now, my wife has a champion, but her claim is exclusive. Maybe ask your husband to dress down the folks you reckon are being mean to you…? Better, though, to accept that debate and argument can be nasty and offensive betimes. If it goes for the good, it must go for the bad, we Celtic Southrons say.

    • Replies: @Anon
  163. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    Maybe ask your husband to dress down the folks you reckon are being mean to you…?

    Are you the husband of commenter “Bel Riose”? Okay, okay, I’m not serious, but can you tell me whether a man or a woman wrote this line?

    a cry arose among the watermen, of “Shame, shame! two upon one!”

    And followed it up with:

    “They may be the devil’s men, if they will,” said an ancient Triton, flourishing his stretcher; “but I say fair play, and old England for ever; and, I say, knock the gold-laced puppies down, unless they will fight turn about with grey jerkin, like honest fellows. One down—t’other come on.”

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  164. @vinteuil

    I greatly appreciate your concern for my wellbeing and I just wanted to thank you for it.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  165. Brutusale says:
    @Rosie

    Like I believe that 99.99% of those accused in the #MeToo witch hunt are guilty because I know a lot of Jews and a lot of guys, I believe that the only thing between most of the US female population aping my girlfriend’s behaviors, and those of my ex-wife for that matter, is lack of disposable income and BMI.

    It’s what we do at iSteve: we notice things.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  166. @Anon

    Ah, Scott. Once not long ago Scotland, with its inhospitable clime and wee population, outshone all the world for intellect and vigour. Now they all want to be homo-globo … something.

    Sad.

    My wife is not a poster here.

    • Replies: @Anon
  167. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    all

    Say it ain’t so!

  168. MBlanc46 says:
    @Rosie

    We do take you seriously, Rosie. Just not for the things for which you want to be taken seriously.

  169. MBlanc46 says:
    @Rosie

    Wonderful stuff, Rosie. If you lot would just stick to what you’re good at, the world would run much more smoothly.

  170. vinteuil says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I am, btw, genuinely interested in reading your criticisms of Darwinism. I’ve had the vague impression that you’re coming from something of an Aristotelian/Thomistic angle – is that right? It’s a position with which I’m broadly sympathetic, though I’m inclined to think that some sort of reconciliation between A/T metaphysics & Darwinism is not only possible, but desirable (for Darwinism, anyway). Cheers.

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