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From The New Yorker:

How Should We Think About Kanye West’s Tweets?

By Amanda Petrusich April 23, 2018

When did we start seeing this kind of headline in magazines? I can imagine a 1940 Methodist publication using the same “How Should We Think About …” formula. The Daily Worker, too. I can even imagine the 1930 New Yorker running a Robert Benchley parody of a Sunday sermon with this kind of headline.

Update: Here’s an actual 1937 Benchley piece in The New Yorker:

Why We Laugh—Or Do We?

But this current concern with Having Proper Thoughts seems alien to the New Yorker tradition, which founding editor Harold Ross explained in 1925 was that “it is not edited for the old lady in Dubuque.”

Is every ex-Kanye fan in 2018 a metaphorical old lady in Dubuque?

What are some evolutions of this trend that we will see in future New Yorkers?

Are We Thinking Appropriate Thoughts About Kanye West’s Tweets?

Some of Us Are Not Feeling What We Should Feel About Kanye West’s Tweets

Anybody Who Thinks Like This About Kanye West’s Tweets Is Bad: Are You?

Big Sister Is Watching What You Think About Kanye West’s Tweets

Find Out What Good People Are Supposed to Think About Kanye Wests Tweets

 
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  1. J.Ross says: • Website

    I have even seen lefties complaining about the “X is happening, and it’s wonderful/terrible” headline format. That noise needs to end yesterday, because — well, you’re a smart audience.
    OT WAPO PRAISES CITY FOR NOT BEING SEGREGATED, POSTS MAP SHOWING CITY IS SEGREGATED

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/segregation-us-cities/

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    “How Should We Think About …”
     
    Coincidentally (or otherwise) it's the Wash Post which made an absolute art of those "How to think about" and "What you need to know" articles. So for the MSM to be rephrasing as a question is almost endearing, in a 'concern troll' sort of way.

    https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Screenshot-2017-09-23-15.48.07.png

    I love those maps btw. They tell us which parts of which cities are best avoided, and even which entire cities. That is their purpose, right?

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  2. Bill P says:

    Not so metaphorical if we take the cartoon likeness of Amanda Petrusich that accompanies the piece at face value.

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    The first New Yorker writer whose online images actually look better than the caricature.
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  3. Hubbub says:

    How Should We Think About Kanye West’s Tweets?

    With as little serious thought as possible. Or wait for the rap hip-hop version.

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  4. Lot says:

    You’ll Never Believe The Top Ten Things We Love About Clickbait

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    What are the other eight? Is a bumpy road one of them??
    , @RudyM
    How should we think about boobs?
    , @Lot
    Anti-clickbait:

    Long after he resigned, Washington Post digs in much deeper into the sex life of elderly boring PBS dude Charlie Rose. Want to know who Rose was groping in 1986? It wasn't easy, but WaPo got to the truth.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/charlie-roses-misconduct-was-widespread-at-cbs-and-three-managers-were-warned-investigation-finds/2018/05/02/80613d24-3228-11e8-94fa-32d48460b955_story.html
    , @donut
    Christ if her skin was stretched any tighter you could probably read the serial numbers on the inserts .
    , @Anonym
    Foobs: Here's what you need to know.
    , @Pat Boyle
    Lately there has arisen a similar phenomenon in men. Women inject silicone in their chests while now male body builders are injecting oil (Synthol) into their arms. The men who get tired of endless iron pumping in an attempt to create huge biceps now have a shortcut. They can inject this oil under the skin and get something like an oil hematoma that looks superficially like hypertrophied muscle.

    The men who do this have a couple advantages over the girls who put balloons in their chests. Girls have to hire a surgeon while a man may squirt the oil in themselves (must hurt a lot). Although I can't ever remember seeing a woman with silicone breasts in the wrong place, many men seemed to have put the oil is spots that are odd. Or it could be that the oil has moved around under the skin. In any case there are a lot of photos on the web now of guys with strange lumps in strange places.

    Female breast implants work and work well. They elicit some circuit in the male brain that signals - "I'm a ripe female". I know it's fake but I can't help it. I look and I like. The male subcutaneous lumps don't exploit a similar reaction in female brains. Women are less visually oriented in their sexual responses. Girls can learn to associate a man's big muscles with sex but the male response to the female mammaries seems to be innate. It just appears in puberty. Suddenly boys just notice.

    , @International Jew
    I don't get your joke. I mean, it would be funny enough just out of the blue, but is there a connection here to Kanye West?
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Desmond Morris is right. Human breasts are substitute buttocks.
    , @Anonymous
    Trump ought to put through an executive order/referendum that forces into the public a clear debate about the Wall. Demand a referendum, similar to Britain's Brexit, where people vote on issues like the Wall, deporting illegal criminals, etc and use that to gain some leverage in demanding the issues be dealt with failrly. It would put to lie all the prancing around the issue, and shenanigans that the media have been playing. A recent Harvard poll showed >80% in favor of curbing immigration, so it's hard for the media to claim that its a handful of deplorable extremists and demand they be hunted down like witches of the 21st Century, when faced with a number like that. It need not drag on like Brexit, either, as we have at least some powerful politicians, like the President, who are in favor of these things.

    It'd also be cool to see an extra line on the taxes where, in addition to things like 'donating to the Presidential election campaign' or some random enviromental or other cause (as seems to be common items on a number of state taxes, there was a spot to putting money towards building the Wall.

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  5. Mishra says:
    @J.Ross
    I have even seen lefties complaining about the "X is happening, and it's wonderful/terrible" headline format. That noise needs to end yesterday, because -- well, you're a smart audience.
    OT WAPO PRAISES CITY FOR NOT BEING SEGREGATED, POSTS MAP SHOWING CITY IS SEGREGATED
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/segregation-us-cities/

    “How Should We Think About …”

    Coincidentally (or otherwise) it’s the Wash Post which made an absolute art of those “How to think about” and “What you need to know” articles. So for the MSM to be rephrasing as a question is almost endearing, in a ‘concern troll’ sort of way.


    I love those maps btw. They tell us which parts of which cities are best avoided, and even which entire cities. That is their purpose, right?

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    • Replies: @Svigor
    Haha, love it. "Same reason I'm so passionate when I step in dogshit, ma'am."
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  6. Mishra says:
    @Lot
    You'll Never Believe The Top Ten Things We Love About Clickbait

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/eb/a5/3e/eba53ec10de98945ac4f41d85f48f8d5.jpg

    What are the other eight? Is a bumpy road one of them??

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  7. Another current year, orthodoxy cultivating formulation, “Why that matters”

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  8. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:

    Shouldn’t a proper totalitarian actually answer the question?

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  9. Lugash says:

    Unz: Can we setup an auto LMGTFY filter for all authors in an article Steve posts? It would save time.

    How I think of Kanye: He’s a loose canon. Remember “George Bush doesn’t care about black people!”? Still, I can see some tone-deaf Democrat party apparatchik criticizing Yeezy for leading blacks off of the plantation, which would result in Trump breaking that party bond.

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    "I'll have those [redacted] voting Trump for the next 200 years."
    -Kanye West
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  10. BenKenobi says:
    @Lugash
    Unz: Can we setup an auto LMGTFY filter for all authors in an article Steve posts? It would save time.

    How I think of Kanye: He's a loose canon. Remember "George Bush doesn't care about black people!"? Still, I can see some tone-deaf Democrat party apparatchik criticizing Yeezy for leading blacks off of the plantation, which would result in Trump breaking that party bond.

    “I’ll have those [redacted] voting Trump for the next 200 years.”
    -Kanye West

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  11. RudyM says:
    @Lot
    You'll Never Believe The Top Ten Things We Love About Clickbait

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/eb/a5/3e/eba53ec10de98945ac4f41d85f48f8d5.jpg

    How should we think about boobs?

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    How should we think about boobs?
     
    Social construct. Right?
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  12. Anon[106] • Disclaimer says:

    The New York Times Manual of Style and Usage says:

    Do not use the question mark as headline shorthand for speculation. Court Seat Next for Karitsa? Readers rely on the news columns to answer or discuss questions rather than dangle them.

    This is almost as important a piece of headline-writing advice as “Never use the word actually in a headline. Or in the article itself. It can always be omitted with no change in meaning. Also, never use the word actually in conversation.”

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    It's an overused word, but it can be useful or, arguably, even necessary.

    Example: "Many people think the NYT is a serious newspaper, but it's actually a neoliberal SJW propaganda tabloid."

    Omitting the "actually" without substitution [e.g.: "really," "in reality," etc] could very easily lead to at-least-momentary confusion in the audience. Good expository writing minimizes - to the greatest possible extent - the likelihood of any reader misinterpreting or becoming confused by the writing.
    , @Anon
    Actually, I’m actually thinking we should have a nation wide conversation about actually using the word actually.
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  13. MEH 0910 says:

    I’m now thinking that Kanye is bipolar

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    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    Probably schizophrenic. Blacks have schizophrenia rates at least triple those of whites. Bipolar depression is more common among whites than blacks.
    , @BB753
    Everybody in show business will tell you that Kanye is a closeted gay, that he only married the greatest skank in America to have a beard, and that he's probably bipolar and not very bright.
    As for his conversion to Trumpism, well my opinion is that many Blacks, lacking a father figure, look up to Trump as the dad they never had, and that Trump's a honorary Black to them: he's got attitude, a huuuge ego, he's loud-mouthed, likes bling and fast women. And he's rich. Blacks can respect that. Also, Blacks know all too well when a White genuinely likes them or just lionizes them for his interest. Trump likes Blacks. And Jews too. Not so sure about Hispanics.
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  14. C Norman says:

    The problem with PC is it’s a form of moralizing and these people, mostly irreligious and with no sense of self-irony, do not understand it’s moralizing.

    That they come across as idle school marms.

    Only Christians can be judgmental and tedious moralizers, to them.

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    • Replies: @julius caesar
    PC & modern progressivism is a secular child of Christianity.

    Christianity was the greatest mistake in the history of western civilization, something for which we are still paying the price.
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  15. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Come quickly, this thread tastes like stars!

    http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/59509579

    “Everything horrible is real”
    Need books? No worries. Donate plasma.
    City says stairs for seniors costs $65,000. Man build it for $550, then city tears it down.

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  16. There seems to be a gender tilt in the tendency of leftist activists to subconsciously filter out evidence to make the world fit The Narrative. I am a middle-aged academic with some left-wing female friends and relations who are thoughtful and broad-minded about the world around them, until the evidence interferes with the dogmatic belief in The Narrative. Then they believe absolutely outlandish fantasies to make the world fit their ideology. “Men who rape have no interest in sex – it is just about power.” Here is another good one – “Catholic priests who were involved in paedophilia against boys do not have homosexual tendencies, they were just exploiting power relationships,” and of course “Studying human genetics is inherently evil since the Nazis were interested in genetics.” Then the conversation switches to literature or science or history and they are thoughtful and sensible. Is it some sort of disease of the brain, somewhat more prevalent (but not exclusive to) females? Women want their ideology to be neat and tidy, and the real world is a messy place.

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    • Replies: @Moses
    Scott Adams covers this. The human brain literally hallucinates an alternative reality rather than accept facts that threaten a cherished belief. Example:

    I once made the mistake of getting into a school choice debate with a cousin (I'm pro).

    When I pointed out that she had the privileged ability to send her son to a private school (because he needed "extra attention") and that she would not only deny low-income parents the same school choice privilege she had, but would straightjacket their children into crap schools, she said:

    "They have choice because they can get a scholarship."

    I pointed out that scholarships to tony $25k+ private schools are not lying about on the pavement like acorns. I pointed out that her son (a White boy) had not received a scholarship and wouldn't get one either.

    It was in vain. She repeated herself with religious zeal: "Anyone can get a scholarship. Anyone can go to a private school."

    I think she really believed it. She had to in order to reconcile her personal behavior with her position against tuition vouchers and school choice. She was a public school teacher too, how's that for irony.

    You cannot reason with these people.

    , @Anon
    I remember that thing that priests who had sex with teen boys or young men were not homosexual.
    That scandal came right in the middle of suing the Boy Scouts to force the Scouts to accept gay men as Scout leaders.

    Sometimes there was an editorial denouncing the church for harboring gay priests and on the next page an editorial denouncing the scouts for not having gay scout leaders.

    I try to avoid liberals. When it’s impossible I just blast them with facts and figures till they shut up.
    , @AndrewR
    Maybe you just notice it more in females. I admit that women are probably less likely to say things that might alienate them from their social groups, but rigid, dogmatic thinking is extremely common in men too.

    As for the rape thing, I have never understood why some leftists deny rape is about sex at all. I mean obviously it's partially about power, and certain cases (like the rapes of elderly invalids) might be entirely about power, but I think it's obvious that few rapists rape people to whom they're not sexually attracted. Oral rape might be an exception.

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  17. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:

    It seems like Google and (subsidiary) Youtube are both conspiring to hide this video. It doesn’t pop up unless you actively search for it. If you look at the Youtube comments, it seems a majority of those who have a real life photo as the image are non-white, and the overwhelming majority of comments are positive.

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  18. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Kanye West’s Tweets?

    Anyone else would be de-personed. Is he intersectional enough to get a mulligan?

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  19. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @RudyM
    How should we think about boobs?

    How should we think about boobs?

    Social construct. Right?

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    • Replies: @CK
    Engineering construct more likely.
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  20. Lot says:
    @Lot
    You'll Never Believe The Top Ten Things We Love About Clickbait

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/eb/a5/3e/eba53ec10de98945ac4f41d85f48f8d5.jpg

    Anti-clickbait:

    Long after he resigned, Washington Post digs in much deeper into the sex life of elderly boring PBS dude Charlie Rose. Want to know who Rose was groping in 1986? It wasn’t easy, but WaPo got to the truth.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/charlie-roses-misconduct-was-widespread-at-cbs-and-three-managers-were-warned-investigation-finds/2018/05/02/80613d24-3228-11e8-94fa-32d48460b955_story.html

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    And, like Meryl Streep vis-a-vis Harvey Weinstein, the WAPO was shocked at the news.
    , @Anon
    Rose is a liberal what does one expect. Answering the door naked. How suave and seductive.
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  21. MEH 0910 says:

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    Molodyets! There you are, that tweet is clearly the work of Russian hackers!
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  22. Moses says:
    @Peter Johnson
    There seems to be a gender tilt in the tendency of leftist activists to subconsciously filter out evidence to make the world fit The Narrative. I am a middle-aged academic with some left-wing female friends and relations who are thoughtful and broad-minded about the world around them, until the evidence interferes with the dogmatic belief in The Narrative. Then they believe absolutely outlandish fantasies to make the world fit their ideology. "Men who rape have no interest in sex - it is just about power." Here is another good one - "Catholic priests who were involved in paedophilia against boys do not have homosexual tendencies, they were just exploiting power relationships," and of course "Studying human genetics is inherently evil since the Nazis were interested in genetics." Then the conversation switches to literature or science or history and they are thoughtful and sensible. Is it some sort of disease of the brain, somewhat more prevalent (but not exclusive to) females? Women want their ideology to be neat and tidy, and the real world is a messy place.

    Scott Adams covers this. The human brain literally hallucinates an alternative reality rather than accept facts that threaten a cherished belief. Example:

    I once made the mistake of getting into a school choice debate with a cousin (I’m pro).

    When I pointed out that she had the privileged ability to send her son to a private school (because he needed “extra attention”) and that she would not only deny low-income parents the same school choice privilege she had, but would straightjacket their children into crap schools, she said:

    “They have choice because they can get a scholarship.”

    I pointed out that scholarships to tony $25k+ private schools are not lying about on the pavement like acorns. I pointed out that her son (a White boy) had not received a scholarship and wouldn’t get one either.

    It was in vain. She repeated herself with religious zeal: “Anyone can get a scholarship. Anyone can go to a private school.”

    I think she really believed it. She had to in order to reconcile her personal behavior with her position against tuition vouchers and school choice. She was a public school teacher too, how’s that for irony.

    You cannot reason with these people.

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    I've had extremely similar conversations with a couple of my friends.

    The crux of these conversations is always the 'special' nature of the child. He may be dull (in which case he needs special attention to keep up); bright (in which case he needs special attention to fulfill his gifts and potential); or utterly ordinary (in which case he needs special attention in order to discover his gifts and potential).

    I've found this particular topic elicits strong reactions, though, because deep down most lefties can feel that their atavistic desire to push their kids forward is overriding their publicly-presented, politically-correct belief structures. Lots of tension, whether conscious or unconscious, results.

    , @Samuel Skinner
    Human conversation is not about facts or information. It is about status. What is status? It is your station on the pecking order- high status can hurt low status people with impunity.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    I think she really believed it. She had to in order to reconcile her personal behavior with her position against tuition vouchers and school choice. She was a public school teacher too, how’s that for irony.
     
    What Upton Sinclair said about men applies just as much to women: "It is very difficult to get a man to see your point when his salary depends upon not seeing it."
    , @Barnard
    I'm sure her solution for fixing public schools involves more money because they are so underfunded.
    How much more money does she think it would take to bring the public school she wants to avoid up to the level of the private school her son attends? Public school employees are greedier than John D. Rockefeller.
    , @Anon
    Try this argument against vouchers.

    “ The problem with vouchers is that black savages get them as well as normal children. It’s just school bussing by another name, a liberal plot to destroy nice safe White schools with savages.”

    Watch their heads explode.

    When they first meet me, liberal women assume I must be against abortion because I’m an evil fascist KKK Nazi.

    So I tell them the great benefit of abortion is that it kills the fetal savages before they are born, thus reducing the crime rate in the future, making the schools safer, and producing fewer affirmative action beneficiaries to take their own children’s jobs.
    , @Yak-15
    I received the same response when talking to a sister-in-law complaining about the lack of diversity in our city neighborhood. When I pointed out that there were 60+ neighborhoods in my city of which 2/3s were minority and that she could live in any of them for much cheaper, she wasn’t able to come to grips with the dissonance of her actions versus her statements.
    , @ogunsiron
    Over the years I've had to dramatically lower my expectations when it comes to intelligent conversation with women. I can think of only 1 woman who's genuinely intellectually curious and with whom I could genuinely breach uncomfortable topics and who would be willing to think outside of her usual box.
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  23. @Moses
    Scott Adams covers this. The human brain literally hallucinates an alternative reality rather than accept facts that threaten a cherished belief. Example:

    I once made the mistake of getting into a school choice debate with a cousin (I'm pro).

    When I pointed out that she had the privileged ability to send her son to a private school (because he needed "extra attention") and that she would not only deny low-income parents the same school choice privilege she had, but would straightjacket their children into crap schools, she said:

    "They have choice because they can get a scholarship."

    I pointed out that scholarships to tony $25k+ private schools are not lying about on the pavement like acorns. I pointed out that her son (a White boy) had not received a scholarship and wouldn't get one either.

    It was in vain. She repeated herself with religious zeal: "Anyone can get a scholarship. Anyone can go to a private school."

    I think she really believed it. She had to in order to reconcile her personal behavior with her position against tuition vouchers and school choice. She was a public school teacher too, how's that for irony.

    You cannot reason with these people.

    I’ve had extremely similar conversations with a couple of my friends.

    The crux of these conversations is always the ‘special’ nature of the child. He may be dull (in which case he needs special attention to keep up); bright (in which case he needs special attention to fulfill his gifts and potential); or utterly ordinary (in which case he needs special attention in order to discover his gifts and potential).

    I’ve found this particular topic elicits strong reactions, though, because deep down most lefties can feel that their atavistic desire to push their kids forward is overriding their publicly-presented, politically-correct belief structures. Lots of tension, whether conscious or unconscious, results.

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    Yes of course when it comes to providing for one's own children, logical consistency is out the door, but this is probably true across the political spectrum. The British Labour Party has a long-standing policy of boycotting private education, but party members with children find reasons it does not apply to them. I am not shocked by that, and Tories and Liberals would probably do just the same in similar circumstances. The shocking thing is how in ordinary objective thinking about social and HBD realities, leftists can suddenly veer off into unshakeable fantasy-land beliefs to keep The Narrative intact. For some reason, leftist women are even worse than leftist men in this regard.
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  24. LondonBob says:

    Black males age 30 to 50 are the least committed to the Democrat Party. A small drop in blacks voting Democrat, an even smaller number of those switching to Republican will have dire implications for a lot of swing states where the black vote matters. This is clearly the thought process of the journolists.

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  25. @C Norman
    The problem with PC is it’s a form of moralizing and these people, mostly irreligious and with no sense of self-irony, do not understand it’s moralizing.

    That they come across as idle school marms.

    Only Christians can be judgmental and tedious moralizers, to them.

    PC & modern progressivism is a secular child of Christianity.

    Christianity was the greatest mistake in the history of western civilization, something for which we are still paying the price.

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    • Replies: @Hockamaw

    Christianity was the greatest mistake in the history of western civilization, something for which we are still paying the price.
     
    Correction: The Protestant Reformation was the greatest mistake in the history of western civilization, something for which we are still paying the price.
    , @AndrewR
    Eh, it's been what it's been. It has had its good effects and bad effects, and I think an argument could be made that its adherents have changed it far more than it has changed its adherents.

    I think PC SJWism/progtardation is best understood as an atheistic offshoot of Calvinism.

    , @Thirdeye

    PC & modern progressivism is a secular child of Christianity.
     
    ....as is the classical liberal idea.
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  26. J.Ross says: • Website
    @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/991466711583895553

    Molodyets! There you are, that tweet is clearly the work of Russian hackers!

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  27. donut says:
    @Lot
    You'll Never Believe The Top Ten Things We Love About Clickbait

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/eb/a5/3e/eba53ec10de98945ac4f41d85f48f8d5.jpg

    Christ if her skin was stretched any tighter you could probably read the serial numbers on the inserts .

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    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    You say that as if it's a bad thing
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  28. Anon[237] • Disclaimer says:

    The title doesn’t really reflect the piece and probably wasn’t written by the writer. The piece is yet another musing on whether art can be considered independently of the artist. This has been an ongoing topic among the literati as (a) sordid things are discovered about beloved creators, or (2) already known things about beloved creators have turned sordid because of changes in society and culture.

    Generally the idea has been that the art has a life and value of its own upon creation (and of course creators often were flawed). This is in the process of changing to where both the creator and the creation have to be pristine. In practice this means that the creator must be without flaws, which is a tough standard, so the work of art is allowed to be mediocre, or else we’d be left with no art.

    This mirrors other developments, like “Founding Fathers were slave owners!” “Well, duh! You didn’t know that?”

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    @Lot
    You'll Never Believe The Top Ten Things We Love About Clickbait

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/eb/a5/3e/eba53ec10de98945ac4f41d85f48f8d5.jpg

    Foobs: Here’s what you need to know.

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  30. donut says:

    Here boy , fetch , fetch .

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  31. @donut
    Christ if her skin was stretched any tighter you could probably read the serial numbers on the inserts .

    You say that as if it’s a bad thing

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  32. @Moses
    Scott Adams covers this. The human brain literally hallucinates an alternative reality rather than accept facts that threaten a cherished belief. Example:

    I once made the mistake of getting into a school choice debate with a cousin (I'm pro).

    When I pointed out that she had the privileged ability to send her son to a private school (because he needed "extra attention") and that she would not only deny low-income parents the same school choice privilege she had, but would straightjacket their children into crap schools, she said:

    "They have choice because they can get a scholarship."

    I pointed out that scholarships to tony $25k+ private schools are not lying about on the pavement like acorns. I pointed out that her son (a White boy) had not received a scholarship and wouldn't get one either.

    It was in vain. She repeated herself with religious zeal: "Anyone can get a scholarship. Anyone can go to a private school."

    I think she really believed it. She had to in order to reconcile her personal behavior with her position against tuition vouchers and school choice. She was a public school teacher too, how's that for irony.

    You cannot reason with these people.

    Human conversation is not about facts or information. It is about status. What is status? It is your station on the pecking order- high status can hurt low status people with impunity.

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    True that.
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  33. peterike says:

    Kanye Effect: Black Male Approval of Trump Doubles in One Week. According to a Reuters poll, approval for President Trump has doubled between April 22 and April 29, from 11 percent to 22 percent.

    Kanye made it acceptable for the Brothas to say what they really think.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/05/03/kanye-effect-black-male-approval-trump-doubles-one-week/

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    Asch conformity experiments

    Groups of eight male college students participated in a simple "perceptual" task. In reality, all but one of the participants were actors, and the true focus of the study was about how the remaining participant would react to the actors' behavior.

    The actors knew the true aim of the experiment, but were introduced to the subject as other participants. Each student viewed a card with a line on it, followed by another with three lines labeled "A", "B", and "C" (See accompanying figure). One of these lines was the same as that on the first card, and the other two lines were clearly longer or shorter (i.e., a near-100% rate of correct responding was expected). Each participant was then asked to say aloud which line matched the length of that on the first card. Before the experiment, all actors were given detailed instructions on how they should respond to each trial (card presentation). They would always unanimously nominate one comparator, but on certain trials they would give the correct response and on others, an incorrect response. The group was seated such that the real participant always responded last.

    Subjects completed 18 trials. On the first two trials, both the subject and the actors gave the obvious, correct answer. On the third trial, the actors would all give the same wrong answer. This wrong-responding recurred on 11 of the remaining 15 trials. It was subjects' behavior on these 12 "critical trials" that formed the aim of the study: to test how many subjects would change their answer to conform to those of the 7 actors, despite it being wrong.
     

    Only 5 percent of participants were always swayed by the crowd. 25 percent of the sample consistently defied majority opinion, with the rest conforming on some trials.
     

    Presence of a true partner
    Asch found that the presence of a "true partner" (a "real" participant or another actor told to give the correct response to each question) decreased conformity.[1][3] In studies that had one actor give correct responses to the questions, only 5% of the participants continued to answer with the majority.
     
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  34. CK says:
    @anon

    How should we think about boobs?
     
    Social construct. Right?

    Engineering construct more likely.

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  35. Tiny Duck says:

    What the west episodes provides is incivtruvetttbke evidence of his stickier cinservatuve whites are and how desirable rhey are for Black approval

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    Incipient signs of a stroke? Or just hitting the bottle?
    , @MEH 0910

    is incivtruvetttbke evidence of his stickier cinservatuve
     
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/869858333477523458?lang=en
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  36. @The Last Real Calvinist
    I've had extremely similar conversations with a couple of my friends.

    The crux of these conversations is always the 'special' nature of the child. He may be dull (in which case he needs special attention to keep up); bright (in which case he needs special attention to fulfill his gifts and potential); or utterly ordinary (in which case he needs special attention in order to discover his gifts and potential).

    I've found this particular topic elicits strong reactions, though, because deep down most lefties can feel that their atavistic desire to push their kids forward is overriding their publicly-presented, politically-correct belief structures. Lots of tension, whether conscious or unconscious, results.

    Yes of course when it comes to providing for one’s own children, logical consistency is out the door, but this is probably true across the political spectrum. The British Labour Party has a long-standing policy of boycotting private education, but party members with children find reasons it does not apply to them. I am not shocked by that, and Tories and Liberals would probably do just the same in similar circumstances. The shocking thing is how in ordinary objective thinking about social and HBD realities, leftists can suddenly veer off into unshakeable fantasy-land beliefs to keep The Narrative intact. For some reason, leftist women are even worse than leftist men in this regard.

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  37. Big Bill says:

    “How Should We Think About …”

    Pick one:

    1. Go ask your husband.

    2. Get your boyfriend to tell you.

    3. However the @#$% you want. It’s a free country.

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    1. Go ask your husband.

    2. Get your boyfriend to tell you.

    3. However the @#$% you want. It’s a free country.
     
    4. Don't. Just unthink.
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  38. Brutusale says:
    @Bill P
    Not so metaphorical if we take the cartoon likeness of Amanda Petrusich that accompanies the piece at face value.

    The first New Yorker writer whose online images actually look better than the caricature.

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  39. @Moses
    Scott Adams covers this. The human brain literally hallucinates an alternative reality rather than accept facts that threaten a cherished belief. Example:

    I once made the mistake of getting into a school choice debate with a cousin (I'm pro).

    When I pointed out that she had the privileged ability to send her son to a private school (because he needed "extra attention") and that she would not only deny low-income parents the same school choice privilege she had, but would straightjacket their children into crap schools, she said:

    "They have choice because they can get a scholarship."

    I pointed out that scholarships to tony $25k+ private schools are not lying about on the pavement like acorns. I pointed out that her son (a White boy) had not received a scholarship and wouldn't get one either.

    It was in vain. She repeated herself with religious zeal: "Anyone can get a scholarship. Anyone can go to a private school."

    I think she really believed it. She had to in order to reconcile her personal behavior with her position against tuition vouchers and school choice. She was a public school teacher too, how's that for irony.

    You cannot reason with these people.

    I think she really believed it. She had to in order to reconcile her personal behavior with her position against tuition vouchers and school choice. She was a public school teacher too, how’s that for irony.

    What Upton Sinclair said about men applies just as much to women: “It is very difficult to get a man to see your point when his salary depends upon not seeing it.”

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  40. Hunsdon says:
    @Tiny Duck
    What the west episodes provides is incivtruvetttbke evidence of his stickier cinservatuve whites are and how desirable rhey are for Black approval

    Incipient signs of a stroke? Or just hitting the bottle?

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    Or an attack of the Covfefes?
    , @black sea
    He's discovered where Mom hid the cooking sherry.
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  41. Hockamaw says:
    @julius caesar
    PC & modern progressivism is a secular child of Christianity.

    Christianity was the greatest mistake in the history of western civilization, something for which we are still paying the price.

    Christianity was the greatest mistake in the history of western civilization, something for which we are still paying the price.

    Correction: The Protestant Reformation was the greatest mistake in the history of western civilization, something for which we are still paying the price.

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  42. MEH 0910 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    What the west episodes provides is incivtruvetttbke evidence of his stickier cinservatuve whites are and how desirable rhey are for Black approval

    is incivtruvetttbke evidence of his stickier cinservatuve

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  43. AndrewR says:
    @Anon
    The New York Times Manual of Style and Usage says:

    Do not use the question mark as headline shorthand for speculation. Court Seat Next for Karitsa? Readers rely on the news columns to answer or discuss questions rather than dangle them.
     
    This is almost as important a piece of headline-writing advice as "Never use the word actually in a headline. Or in the article itself. It can always be omitted with no change in meaning. Also, never use the word actually in conversation."

    It’s an overused word, but it can be useful or, arguably, even necessary.

    Example: “Many people think the NYT is a serious newspaper, but it’s actually a neoliberal SJW propaganda tabloid.”

    Omitting the “actually” without substitution [e.g.: "really," "in reality," etc] could very easily lead to at-least-momentary confusion in the audience. Good expository writing minimizes – to the greatest possible extent – the likelihood of any reader misinterpreting or becoming confused by the writing.

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  44. AndrewR says:
    @julius caesar
    PC & modern progressivism is a secular child of Christianity.

    Christianity was the greatest mistake in the history of western civilization, something for which we are still paying the price.

    Eh, it’s been what it’s been. It has had its good effects and bad effects, and I think an argument could be made that its adherents have changed it far more than it has changed its adherents.

    I think PC SJWism/progtardation is best understood as an atheistic offshoot of Calvinism.

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  45. Barnard says:
    @Moses
    Scott Adams covers this. The human brain literally hallucinates an alternative reality rather than accept facts that threaten a cherished belief. Example:

    I once made the mistake of getting into a school choice debate with a cousin (I'm pro).

    When I pointed out that she had the privileged ability to send her son to a private school (because he needed "extra attention") and that she would not only deny low-income parents the same school choice privilege she had, but would straightjacket their children into crap schools, she said:

    "They have choice because they can get a scholarship."

    I pointed out that scholarships to tony $25k+ private schools are not lying about on the pavement like acorns. I pointed out that her son (a White boy) had not received a scholarship and wouldn't get one either.

    It was in vain. She repeated herself with religious zeal: "Anyone can get a scholarship. Anyone can go to a private school."

    I think she really believed it. She had to in order to reconcile her personal behavior with her position against tuition vouchers and school choice. She was a public school teacher too, how's that for irony.

    You cannot reason with these people.

    I’m sure her solution for fixing public schools involves more money because they are so underfunded.
    How much more money does she think it would take to bring the public school she wants to avoid up to the level of the private school her son attends? Public school employees are greedier than John D. Rockefeller.

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  46. The first Africans were brought to the English colonies in North America in 1619, so actually 399 years ago, but those 399 years include 153 years since the passage of the 13th Amendment, or 185 years since the abolition of slavery in the British Colonies and Empire in 1833, so Kanye West was clearly referring to an mental attitude that has persisted long after the abolition of chattel slavery.

    As I pointed out in another thread the term “four hundred years” was used by Bob Marley, who died 36 years ago.

    Four hundred years
    And it’s the same, the same philosophy
    I’ve said it’s four hundred years – look how long
    And, the people, they still can’t see

    I don’t know if the phrase “four hundred years” was in use before Marley, but a quick Google search suggests not.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnw6ZpHGjNQ

    P.S., Lot: Tropic Thunder is funny.
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  47. MarcB. says:

    The collective “we” hearkens back to Nice White lady first grade teachers and and nuns in Catechism class, not journalism. That’s unless of course Americans understanding of the world is to be determined by writers for the New Yorker, a magazine with such an impeccable reputation for having broad-minded view of the US outside of the Five Boroughs.

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  48. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t even think about Kanye West. Whoever he is, let alone his ideas and tweets.

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  49. L Woods says:
    @Samuel Skinner
    Human conversation is not about facts or information. It is about status. What is status? It is your station on the pecking order- high status can hurt low status people with impunity.

    True that.

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  50. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    The New York Times Manual of Style and Usage says:

    Do not use the question mark as headline shorthand for speculation. Court Seat Next for Karitsa? Readers rely on the news columns to answer or discuss questions rather than dangle them.
     
    This is almost as important a piece of headline-writing advice as "Never use the word actually in a headline. Or in the article itself. It can always be omitted with no change in meaning. Also, never use the word actually in conversation."

    Actually, I’m actually thinking we should have a nation wide conversation about actually using the word actually.

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  51. Pat Boyle says:
    @Lot
    You'll Never Believe The Top Ten Things We Love About Clickbait

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/eb/a5/3e/eba53ec10de98945ac4f41d85f48f8d5.jpg

    Lately there has arisen a similar phenomenon in men. Women inject silicone in their chests while now male body builders are injecting oil (Synthol) into their arms. The men who get tired of endless iron pumping in an attempt to create huge biceps now have a shortcut. They can inject this oil under the skin and get something like an oil hematoma that looks superficially like hypertrophied muscle.

    The men who do this have a couple advantages over the girls who put balloons in their chests. Girls have to hire a surgeon while a man may squirt the oil in themselves (must hurt a lot). Although I can’t ever remember seeing a woman with silicone breasts in the wrong place, many men seemed to have put the oil is spots that are odd. Or it could be that the oil has moved around under the skin. In any case there are a lot of photos on the web now of guys with strange lumps in strange places.

    Female breast implants work and work well. They elicit some circuit in the male brain that signals – “I’m a ripe female”. I know it’s fake but I can’t help it. I look and I like. The male subcutaneous lumps don’t exploit a similar reaction in female brains. Women are less visually oriented in their sexual responses. Girls can learn to associate a man’s big muscles with sex but the male response to the female mammaries seems to be innate. It just appears in puberty. Suddenly boys just notice.

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    I don't know. Implants work best when a girl has her shirt on, like the one in the image above, but topless they often look odd. They can work if done right and on a girl with a little extra cushion for the pushin', but on a scrawny girl, they usually look really bizarre when topless.
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  52. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Johnson
    There seems to be a gender tilt in the tendency of leftist activists to subconsciously filter out evidence to make the world fit The Narrative. I am a middle-aged academic with some left-wing female friends and relations who are thoughtful and broad-minded about the world around them, until the evidence interferes with the dogmatic belief in The Narrative. Then they believe absolutely outlandish fantasies to make the world fit their ideology. "Men who rape have no interest in sex - it is just about power." Here is another good one - "Catholic priests who were involved in paedophilia against boys do not have homosexual tendencies, they were just exploiting power relationships," and of course "Studying human genetics is inherently evil since the Nazis were interested in genetics." Then the conversation switches to literature or science or history and they are thoughtful and sensible. Is it some sort of disease of the brain, somewhat more prevalent (but not exclusive to) females? Women want their ideology to be neat and tidy, and the real world is a messy place.

    I remember that thing that priests who had sex with teen boys or young men were not homosexual.
    That scandal came right in the middle of suing the Boy Scouts to force the Scouts to accept gay men as Scout leaders.

    Sometimes there was an editorial denouncing the church for harboring gay priests and on the next page an editorial denouncing the scouts for not having gay scout leaders.

    I try to avoid liberals. When it’s impossible I just blast them with facts and figures till they shut up.

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  53. Pat Boyle says:
    @MEH 0910
    I'm now thinking that Kanye is bipolar

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/585565077207678977/N_eNSBXi_400x400.jpg

    Probably schizophrenic. Blacks have schizophrenia rates at least triple those of whites. Bipolar depression is more common among whites than blacks.

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    Here's a black bipolar woman who speculates that Kanye could be bipolar too:

    https://www.theroot.com/it-s-an-explanation-not-an-excuse-1825565200


    I want to empathize with Kanye because, once, I was Kanye—a person who wildly seesawed between thinking I was the hottest shit in the history of dookie, and a misery-addicted, drunken, emotional hurricane laying waste to all around me, a broken person scarred by trauma—in my case, it was the end of my very controlling marriage that triggered my illness, while Kanye West had a very public unraveling in the wake of his mother’s death.
     
    , @Anonymous
    He lacks a self-inhibition filter. Blacks in general seem to have a weaker one of these than everyone else, but Kanye turns it completely off, just saying and doing whatever pops into his mind to a level that even very few blacks of the same level would do. Hence, breaking script and griping that 'George Bush doesn't care about black people' during a somber fund raiser for Katrina, jumping on stage during a professional award ceremony and claiming Beyonce deserved it, dressing up in a Confederate flag in public, submitting homeless clothes for a fashion show, etc.

    That being said, though, it's always funny to watch liberals tie themselves in knots over breaking the Narrative.

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  54. Goodthink is a thing now.

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  55. “How Should We Think About Kanye West’s Tweets?

    Only We Thinkers.

    “Wethink” works as a noun, as in

    - David Brooks’ column articulated today’s WeThink on immigrant vibrancy very well.

    - What is the WeThink on Kanye’s tweets?

    - I highly recommend Mr Jones; his work is reliable, and he meshes very well with our WeThink.

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  56. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses
    Scott Adams covers this. The human brain literally hallucinates an alternative reality rather than accept facts that threaten a cherished belief. Example:

    I once made the mistake of getting into a school choice debate with a cousin (I'm pro).

    When I pointed out that she had the privileged ability to send her son to a private school (because he needed "extra attention") and that she would not only deny low-income parents the same school choice privilege she had, but would straightjacket their children into crap schools, she said:

    "They have choice because they can get a scholarship."

    I pointed out that scholarships to tony $25k+ private schools are not lying about on the pavement like acorns. I pointed out that her son (a White boy) had not received a scholarship and wouldn't get one either.

    It was in vain. She repeated herself with religious zeal: "Anyone can get a scholarship. Anyone can go to a private school."

    I think she really believed it. She had to in order to reconcile her personal behavior with her position against tuition vouchers and school choice. She was a public school teacher too, how's that for irony.

    You cannot reason with these people.

    Try this argument against vouchers.

    “ The problem with vouchers is that black savages get them as well as normal children. It’s just school bussing by another name, a liberal plot to destroy nice safe White schools with savages.”

    Watch their heads explode.

    When they first meet me, liberal women assume I must be against abortion because I’m an evil fascist KKK Nazi.

    So I tell them the great benefit of abortion is that it kills the fetal savages before they are born, thus reducing the crime rate in the future, making the schools safer, and producing fewer affirmative action beneficiaries to take their own children’s jobs.

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  57. Gman says:

    I think the “how should we think about X” started in Silicon Valley.

    I am a stock analyst and I hear it all the time on earnings calls (e.g. how should we think about expense growth for the rest of 2018?)

    So I don’t think it is a liberal thing as much as the author parroting corporate speak.

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  58. anonymous[733] • Disclaimer says:

    How about this way of thinking—– everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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  59. njguy73 says:

    Are We Thinking Appropriate Thoughts About Kanye West’s Tweets?

    Some of Us Are Not Feeling What We Should Feel About Kanye West’s Tweets

    Anybody Who Thinks Like This About Kanye West’s Tweets Is Bad: Are You?

    Big Sister Is Watching What You Think About Kanye West’s Tweets

    Find Out What Good People Are Supposed to Think About Kanye Wests Tweets

    Oldthinkers Unbellyfeel AmandaSoc

    Kanyethought Is Thoughtcrime

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  60. njguy73 says:
    @Big Bill

    “How Should We Think About …”
     
    Pick one:

    1. Go ask your husband.

    2. Get your boyfriend to tell you.

    3. However the @#$% you want. It's a free country.

    1. Go ask your husband.

    2. Get your boyfriend to tell you.

    3. However the @#$% you want. It’s a free country.

    4. Don’t. Just unthink.

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  61. songbird says:

    I’m starting to think Kanye would be a good target for android replacement, like in the horrible movie Futureworld. Particularly, if he is running.

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  62. Svigor says:

    What we should do with the fringe who refuse to think what they should about Kanye West’s Tweets

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  63. AndrewR says:
    @Peter Johnson
    There seems to be a gender tilt in the tendency of leftist activists to subconsciously filter out evidence to make the world fit The Narrative. I am a middle-aged academic with some left-wing female friends and relations who are thoughtful and broad-minded about the world around them, until the evidence interferes with the dogmatic belief in The Narrative. Then they believe absolutely outlandish fantasies to make the world fit their ideology. "Men who rape have no interest in sex - it is just about power." Here is another good one - "Catholic priests who were involved in paedophilia against boys do not have homosexual tendencies, they were just exploiting power relationships," and of course "Studying human genetics is inherently evil since the Nazis were interested in genetics." Then the conversation switches to literature or science or history and they are thoughtful and sensible. Is it some sort of disease of the brain, somewhat more prevalent (but not exclusive to) females? Women want their ideology to be neat and tidy, and the real world is a messy place.

    Maybe you just notice it more in females. I admit that women are probably less likely to say things that might alienate them from their social groups, but rigid, dogmatic thinking is extremely common in men too.

    As for the rape thing, I have never understood why some leftists deny rape is about sex at all. I mean obviously it’s partially about power, and certain cases (like the rapes of elderly invalids) might be entirely about power, but I think it’s obvious that few rapists rape people to whom they’re not sexually attracted. Oral rape might be an exception.

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    The real basis of leftist thinking is probably an interuption of judgment by the realization of one's own sexual peculiarities. How can I judge him when I like this, or I dare not judge him lest it threaten my hobbies. A lot of leftism is misread Christianity. There is always a loud priority of protecting sex as a sacred thing.
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  64. @Hunsdon
    Incipient signs of a stroke? Or just hitting the bottle?

    Or an attack of the Covfefes?

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  65. Svigor says:
    @Mishra

    “How Should We Think About …”
     
    Coincidentally (or otherwise) it's the Wash Post which made an absolute art of those "How to think about" and "What you need to know" articles. So for the MSM to be rephrasing as a question is almost endearing, in a 'concern troll' sort of way.

    https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Screenshot-2017-09-23-15.48.07.png

    I love those maps btw. They tell us which parts of which cities are best avoided, and even which entire cities. That is their purpose, right?

    Haha, love it. “Same reason I’m so passionate when I step in dogshit, ma’am.”

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  66. @Lot
    You'll Never Believe The Top Ten Things We Love About Clickbait

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/eb/a5/3e/eba53ec10de98945ac4f41d85f48f8d5.jpg

    I don’t get your joke. I mean, it would be funny enough just out of the blue, but is there a connection here to Kanye West?

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    The post mentions the post-2010 Buzzfeedy clickbait line "how we should think about..."

    My parody mixed together several other clickbait standards, specifically "we love" "top ten" and "you'll never believe" and if course tits.

    Tits were long a British tabloid standard on page 6, but newspapers and website headlines were more informative and dignified and less annoying before tracking software discovered exactly what causes people to be more likely to click links. So now everything is in the form of a question, written in the first or second person, and/or hides the main content of the article.
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  67. Svigor says:
    @peterike

    Kanye Effect: Black Male Approval of Trump Doubles in One Week. According to a Reuters poll, approval for President Trump has doubled between April 22 and April 29, from 11 percent to 22 percent.

     

    Kanye made it acceptable for the Brothas to say what they really think.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/05/03/kanye-effect-black-male-approval-trump-doubles-one-week/

    Asch conformity experiments

    Groups of eight male college students participated in a simple “perceptual” task. In reality, all but one of the participants were actors, and the true focus of the study was about how the remaining participant would react to the actors’ behavior.

    The actors knew the true aim of the experiment, but were introduced to the subject as other participants. Each student viewed a card with a line on it, followed by another with three lines labeled “A”, “B”, and “C” (See accompanying figure). One of these lines was the same as that on the first card, and the other two lines were clearly longer or shorter (i.e., a near-100% rate of correct responding was expected). Each participant was then asked to say aloud which line matched the length of that on the first card. Before the experiment, all actors were given detailed instructions on how they should respond to each trial (card presentation). They would always unanimously nominate one comparator, but on certain trials they would give the correct response and on others, an incorrect response. The group was seated such that the real participant always responded last.

    Subjects completed 18 trials. On the first two trials, both the subject and the actors gave the obvious, correct answer. On the third trial, the actors would all give the same wrong answer. This wrong-responding recurred on 11 of the remaining 15 trials. It was subjects’ behavior on these 12 “critical trials” that formed the aim of the study: to test how many subjects would change their answer to conform to those of the 7 actors, despite it being wrong.

    Only 5 percent of participants were always swayed by the crowd. 25 percent of the sample consistently defied majority opinion, with the rest conforming on some trials.

    Presence of a true partner
    Asch found that the presence of a “true partner” (a “real” participant or another actor told to give the correct response to each question) decreased conformity.[1][3] In studies that had one actor give correct responses to the questions, only 5% of the participants continued to answer with the majority.

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  68. Svigor says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    The first Africans were brought to the English colonies in North America in 1619, so actually 399 years ago, but those 399 years include 153 years since the passage of the 13th Amendment, or 185 years since the abolition of slavery in the British Colonies and Empire in 1833, so Kanye West was clearly referring to an mental attitude that has persisted long after the abolition of chattel slavery.

    As I pointed out in another thread the term "four hundred years" was used by Bob Marley, who died 36 years ago.

    Four hundred years
    And it's the same, the same philosophy
    I've said it's four hundred years - look how long
    And, the people, they still can't see

    I don't know if the phrase "four hundred years" was in use before Marley, but a quick Google search suggests not.

    P.S., Lot: Tropic Thunder is funny.

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  69. anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Anti-clickbait:

    Long after he resigned, Washington Post digs in much deeper into the sex life of elderly boring PBS dude Charlie Rose. Want to know who Rose was groping in 1986? It wasn't easy, but WaPo got to the truth.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/charlie-roses-misconduct-was-widespread-at-cbs-and-three-managers-were-warned-investigation-finds/2018/05/02/80613d24-3228-11e8-94fa-32d48460b955_story.html

    And, like Meryl Streep vis-a-vis Harvey Weinstein, the WAPO was shocked at the news.

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  70. black sea says:
    @Hunsdon
    Incipient signs of a stroke? Or just hitting the bottle?

    He’s discovered where Mom hid the cooking sherry.

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  71. @Lot
    You'll Never Believe The Top Ten Things We Love About Clickbait

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/eb/a5/3e/eba53ec10de98945ac4f41d85f48f8d5.jpg

    Desmond Morris is right. Human breasts are substitute buttocks.

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    I knew you were a man of culture.
    , @Lot
    During good times men relatively prefer A, in recessions they prefer T.
    , @MEH 0910
    Geladas are Ethiopian Highlands monkeys that sit on their asses all day eating grass, so instead of sexually signaling with a swollen buttocks like a baboon, they have a bare red hourglass-shaped patch of skin on their chests.

    https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/gelada-monkey-female-portrait-57116789.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelada
    , @MEH 0910
    http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/07/how-do-we-get-breasts-out-of-bayes-theorem/#comment-544917

    localdeity says:
    September 7, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    There is a theory, put forth by the manga/anime “Prison School”, that the precursors to humans crawled on four limbs, making their buttocks highly visible (and one can imagine evolving the ability to judge mate fitness based on the appearance of someone’s buttocks), and then, after humans started walking on two legs, females developed larger breasts to appeal to the same brain-circuitry that used to judge buttocks. “Boobs are fake butts”.

    Overdramatic anime video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKHUgJ5suIA

     

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  72. hyperbola says:

    Is it a NYC thing that one spends time even noticing a publication (New Yorker) run by a small, racist, foreign sect or their propaganda constructs (K West)? How incestuous, provincial and boring the sect has become.

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  73. BB753 says:
    @MEH 0910
    I'm now thinking that Kanye is bipolar

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/585565077207678977/N_eNSBXi_400x400.jpg

    Everybody in show business will tell you that Kanye is a closeted gay, that he only married the greatest skank in America to have a beard, and that he’s probably bipolar and not very bright.
    As for his conversion to Trumpism, well my opinion is that many Blacks, lacking a father figure, look up to Trump as the dad they never had, and that Trump’s a honorary Black to them: he’s got attitude, a huuuge ego, he’s loud-mouthed, likes bling and fast women. And he’s rich. Blacks can respect that. Also, Blacks know all too well when a White genuinely likes them or just lionizes them for his interest. Trump likes Blacks. And Jews too. Not so sure about Hispanics.

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    The Kanye brouhaha has been a Huge Gift to us.
    It reveals the mechanism by which the Coalition of the Fringes ring fences the traditional Democratic party Base.
    From the kvetching of certain J-Left comedians to Soledad O'Brien chastising Kanye that "White Supremacists" agree with his tweets.
    The Coalition's managers always round back to conflating dissent with crypto Nazism or the "KKKrazy glue" as Steve coined it.
    , @Lot
    A few Trump-curious tweets doesn't make him a Trumper. I checked his twitter, he has plenty of SJW type stuff in there too.

    I don't think I ever heard any if his songs, or him speak other than his Beyonce should have won and Bush doesn't care about blacks lines. But it doesn't seem like rap is something gays have ever been good at. Nor did a lot of 80s rap stars die of AIDS. Just Easy E.
    , @unpc downunder
    Another prominent black male with very eclectic views and behaviours is Dennis Rodman. The cross dressing, Trump-supporting mate of North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un. Rodman can loosely be described as libertarian, but it would be pretty odd for an educated white libertarian to be mates with a hard core communist.
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  75. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Desmond Morris is right. Human breasts are substitute buttocks.

    I knew you were a man of culture.

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  76. J.Ross says: • Website
    @AndrewR
    Maybe you just notice it more in females. I admit that women are probably less likely to say things that might alienate them from their social groups, but rigid, dogmatic thinking is extremely common in men too.

    As for the rape thing, I have never understood why some leftists deny rape is about sex at all. I mean obviously it's partially about power, and certain cases (like the rapes of elderly invalids) might be entirely about power, but I think it's obvious that few rapists rape people to whom they're not sexually attracted. Oral rape might be an exception.

    The real basis of leftist thinking is probably an interuption of judgment by the realization of one’s own sexual peculiarities. How can I judge him when I like this, or I dare not judge him lest it threaten my hobbies. A lot of leftism is misread Christianity. There is always a loud priority of protecting sex as a sacred thing.

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  77. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2018/05/04/black-flight-attendant-appeared-to-be-drunk-or-stoned-during-flight/

    I think I know why there’s no Wakanda Airlines.

    At one point, the flight attendant allegedly told passengers “if your seat belt isn’t tight, you fuc*ed up.” Police officers and an ambulance were waiting when the plane landed at its destination, according to Gorman.

    Whether as ‘customers’ at STARBUCKS or ‘attendants’ at UNITED, the #1 Problem Race but one we are supposed to treat as holy.

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    I honestly would love to have a ratchet flight attendant like that.
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  78. @BB753
    Everybody in show business will tell you that Kanye is a closeted gay, that he only married the greatest skank in America to have a beard, and that he's probably bipolar and not very bright.
    As for his conversion to Trumpism, well my opinion is that many Blacks, lacking a father figure, look up to Trump as the dad they never had, and that Trump's a honorary Black to them: he's got attitude, a huuuge ego, he's loud-mouthed, likes bling and fast women. And he's rich. Blacks can respect that. Also, Blacks know all too well when a White genuinely likes them or just lionizes them for his interest. Trump likes Blacks. And Jews too. Not so sure about Hispanics.

    The Kanye brouhaha has been a Huge Gift to us.
    It reveals the mechanism by which the Coalition of the Fringes ring fences the traditional Democratic party Base.
    From the kvetching of certain J-Left comedians to Soledad O’Brien chastising Kanye that “White Supremacists” agree with his tweets.
    The Coalition’s managers always round back to conflating dissent with crypto Nazism or the “KKKrazy glue” as Steve coined it.

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  79. Thirdeye says:
    @julius caesar
    PC & modern progressivism is a secular child of Christianity.

    Christianity was the greatest mistake in the history of western civilization, something for which we are still paying the price.

    PC & modern progressivism is a secular child of Christianity.

    ….as is the classical liberal idea.

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  80. Liberals, especially upper-middle class white ones, aren’t stupid. They just suffer from a severe case of cognitive dissonance. Any fact that threatens their worldview is a fact they cannot accept. Unfortunately, as the liberal worldview becomes increasingly divorced from reality, there are fewer and fewer realities they are willing to confront.

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  81. Yak-15 says:
    @Moses
    Scott Adams covers this. The human brain literally hallucinates an alternative reality rather than accept facts that threaten a cherished belief. Example:

    I once made the mistake of getting into a school choice debate with a cousin (I'm pro).

    When I pointed out that she had the privileged ability to send her son to a private school (because he needed "extra attention") and that she would not only deny low-income parents the same school choice privilege she had, but would straightjacket their children into crap schools, she said:

    "They have choice because they can get a scholarship."

    I pointed out that scholarships to tony $25k+ private schools are not lying about on the pavement like acorns. I pointed out that her son (a White boy) had not received a scholarship and wouldn't get one either.

    It was in vain. She repeated herself with religious zeal: "Anyone can get a scholarship. Anyone can go to a private school."

    I think she really believed it. She had to in order to reconcile her personal behavior with her position against tuition vouchers and school choice. She was a public school teacher too, how's that for irony.

    You cannot reason with these people.

    I received the same response when talking to a sister-in-law complaining about the lack of diversity in our city neighborhood. When I pointed out that there were 60+ neighborhoods in my city of which 2/3s were minority and that she could live in any of them for much cheaper, she wasn’t able to come to grips with the dissonance of her actions versus her statements.

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  82. Lot says:
    @International Jew
    I don't get your joke. I mean, it would be funny enough just out of the blue, but is there a connection here to Kanye West?

    The post mentions the post-2010 Buzzfeedy clickbait line “how we should think about…”

    My parody mixed together several other clickbait standards, specifically “we love” “top ten” and “you’ll never believe” and if course tits.

    Tits were long a British tabloid standard on page 6, but newspapers and website headlines were more informative and dignified and less annoying before tracking software discovered exactly what causes people to be more likely to click links. So now everything is in the form of a question, written in the first or second person, and/or hides the main content of the article.

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  83. Lot says:
    @BB753
    Everybody in show business will tell you that Kanye is a closeted gay, that he only married the greatest skank in America to have a beard, and that he's probably bipolar and not very bright.
    As for his conversion to Trumpism, well my opinion is that many Blacks, lacking a father figure, look up to Trump as the dad they never had, and that Trump's a honorary Black to them: he's got attitude, a huuuge ego, he's loud-mouthed, likes bling and fast women. And he's rich. Blacks can respect that. Also, Blacks know all too well when a White genuinely likes them or just lionizes them for his interest. Trump likes Blacks. And Jews too. Not so sure about Hispanics.

    A few Trump-curious tweets doesn’t make him a Trumper. I checked his twitter, he has plenty of SJW type stuff in there too.

    I don’t think I ever heard any if his songs, or him speak other than his Beyonce should have won and Bush doesn’t care about blacks lines. But it doesn’t seem like rap is something gays have ever been good at. Nor did a lot of 80s rap stars die of AIDS. Just Easy E.

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  84. Lot says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Desmond Morris is right. Human breasts are substitute buttocks.

    During good times men relatively prefer A, in recessions they prefer T.

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  85. @BB753
    Everybody in show business will tell you that Kanye is a closeted gay, that he only married the greatest skank in America to have a beard, and that he's probably bipolar and not very bright.
    As for his conversion to Trumpism, well my opinion is that many Blacks, lacking a father figure, look up to Trump as the dad they never had, and that Trump's a honorary Black to them: he's got attitude, a huuuge ego, he's loud-mouthed, likes bling and fast women. And he's rich. Blacks can respect that. Also, Blacks know all too well when a White genuinely likes them or just lionizes them for his interest. Trump likes Blacks. And Jews too. Not so sure about Hispanics.

    Another prominent black male with very eclectic views and behaviours is Dennis Rodman. The cross dressing, Trump-supporting mate of North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un. Rodman can loosely be described as libertarian, but it would be pretty odd for an educated white libertarian to be mates with a hard core communist.

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  86. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Anti-clickbait:

    Long after he resigned, Washington Post digs in much deeper into the sex life of elderly boring PBS dude Charlie Rose. Want to know who Rose was groping in 1986? It wasn't easy, but WaPo got to the truth.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/charlie-roses-misconduct-was-widespread-at-cbs-and-three-managers-were-warned-investigation-finds/2018/05/02/80613d24-3228-11e8-94fa-32d48460b955_story.html

    Rose is a liberal what does one expect. Answering the door naked. How suave and seductive.

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  87. MEH 0910 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Desmond Morris is right. Human breasts are substitute buttocks.

    Geladas are Ethiopian Highlands monkeys that sit on their asses all day eating grass, so instead of sexually signaling with a swollen buttocks like a baboon, they have a bare red hourglass-shaped patch of skin on their chests.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelada

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  88. MEH 0910 says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Probably schizophrenic. Blacks have schizophrenia rates at least triple those of whites. Bipolar depression is more common among whites than blacks.

    Here’s a black bipolar woman who speculates that Kanye could be bipolar too:

    https://www.theroot.com/it-s-an-explanation-not-an-excuse-1825565200

    I want to empathize with Kanye because, once, I was Kanye—a person who wildly seesawed between thinking I was the hottest shit in the history of dookie, and a misery-addicted, drunken, emotional hurricane laying waste to all around me, a broken person scarred by trauma—in my case, it was the end of my very controlling marriage that triggered my illness, while Kanye West had a very public unraveling in the wake of his mother’s death.

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  89. We’re supposed to think about Kanye’s tweets?

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    "How Should We Think About Kanye West’s Tweets?"
     

    We’re supposed to think about Kanye’s tweets?
     
    Yeah, I'm doing what I've always done: Ignoring them.

    So the left was actually paying attention to them before the controversy?

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  90. AndrewR says:
    @Anon
    https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2018/05/04/black-flight-attendant-appeared-to-be-drunk-or-stoned-during-flight/

    I think I know why there's no Wakanda Airlines.

    At one point, the flight attendant allegedly told passengers “if your seat belt isn’t tight, you fuc*ed up.” Police officers and an ambulance were waiting when the plane landed at its destination, according to Gorman.

    Whether as 'customers' at STARBUCKS or 'attendants' at UNITED, the #1 Problem Race but one we are supposed to treat as holy.

    I honestly would love to have a ratchet flight attendant like that.

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    We will live to see smoking brought back to airline flights, if maybe not tobacco.
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  91. MEH 0910 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Desmond Morris is right. Human breasts are substitute buttocks.

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/07/how-do-we-get-breasts-out-of-bayes-theorem/#comment-544917

    localdeity says:
    September 7, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    There is a theory, put forth by the manga/anime “Prison School”, that the precursors to humans crawled on four limbs, making their buttocks highly visible (and one can imagine evolving the ability to judge mate fitness based on the appearance of someone’s buttocks), and then, after humans started walking on two legs, females developed larger breasts to appeal to the same brain-circuitry that used to judge buttocks. “Boobs are fake butts”.

    Overdramatic anime video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKHUgJ5suIA

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    That was Desmond Morris's theory about a half century ago.
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  92. J1234 says:
    @The Alarmist
    We're supposed to think about Kanye's tweets?

    “How Should We Think About Kanye West’s Tweets?”

    We’re supposed to think about Kanye’s tweets?

    Yeah, I’m doing what I’ve always done: Ignoring them.

    So the left was actually paying attention to them before the controversy?

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  93. J.Ross says: • Website
    @AndrewR
    I honestly would love to have a ratchet flight attendant like that.

    We will live to see smoking brought back to airline flights, if maybe not tobacco.

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  94. @MEH 0910
    http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/07/how-do-we-get-breasts-out-of-bayes-theorem/#comment-544917

    localdeity says:
    September 7, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    There is a theory, put forth by the manga/anime “Prison School”, that the precursors to humans crawled on four limbs, making their buttocks highly visible (and one can imagine evolving the ability to judge mate fitness based on the appearance of someone’s buttocks), and then, after humans started walking on two legs, females developed larger breasts to appeal to the same brain-circuitry that used to judge buttocks. “Boobs are fake butts”.

    Overdramatic anime video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKHUgJ5suIA

     

    That was Desmond Morris’s theory about a half century ago.

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    Yep, that was the first reply given to that commenter over at Slate Star Codex:

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/07/how-do-we-get-breasts-out-of-bayes-theorem/#comment-544926

    dansimonicouldbewrong says:
    September 7, 2017 at 11:00 pm

    This hypothesis was also offered in Desmond Morris’ “The Naked Ape” (1967).

     

    , @Anonymous
    Man, that dude was like, crazyyyy talented. First 'It Mek' and 'The Israelites' and now you tell me Philosophy, too?
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  95. MEH 0910 says:
    @Steve Sailer
    That was Desmond Morris's theory about a half century ago.

    Yep, that was the first reply given to that commenter over at Slate Star Codex:

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/07/how-do-we-get-breasts-out-of-bayes-theorem/#comment-544926

    dansimonicouldbewrong says:
    September 7, 2017 at 11:00 pm

    This hypothesis was also offered in Desmond Morris’ “The Naked Ape” (1967).

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  96. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    You'll Never Believe The Top Ten Things We Love About Clickbait

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/eb/a5/3e/eba53ec10de98945ac4f41d85f48f8d5.jpg

    Trump ought to put through an executive order/referendum that forces into the public a clear debate about the Wall. Demand a referendum, similar to Britain’s Brexit, where people vote on issues like the Wall, deporting illegal criminals, etc and use that to gain some leverage in demanding the issues be dealt with failrly. It would put to lie all the prancing around the issue, and shenanigans that the media have been playing. A recent Harvard poll showed >80% in favor of curbing immigration, so it’s hard for the media to claim that its a handful of deplorable extremists and demand they be hunted down like witches of the 21st Century, when faced with a number like that. It need not drag on like Brexit, either, as we have at least some powerful politicians, like the President, who are in favor of these things.

    It’d also be cool to see an extra line on the taxes where, in addition to things like ‘donating to the Presidential election campaign’ or some random enviromental or other cause (as seems to be common items on a number of state taxes, there was a spot to putting money towards building the Wall.

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  97. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    That was Desmond Morris's theory about a half century ago.

    Man, that dude was like, crazyyyy talented. First ‘It Mek’ and ‘The Israelites’ and now you tell me Philosophy, too?

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxtfdH3-TQ4
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  98. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Probably schizophrenic. Blacks have schizophrenia rates at least triple those of whites. Bipolar depression is more common among whites than blacks.

    He lacks a self-inhibition filter. Blacks in general seem to have a weaker one of these than everyone else, but Kanye turns it completely off, just saying and doing whatever pops into his mind to a level that even very few blacks of the same level would do. Hence, breaking script and griping that ‘George Bush doesn’t care about black people’ during a somber fund raiser for Katrina, jumping on stage during a professional award ceremony and claiming Beyonce deserved it, dressing up in a Confederate flag in public, submitting homeless clothes for a fashion show, etc.

    That being said, though, it’s always funny to watch liberals tie themselves in knots over breaking the Narrative.

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  99. @Anonymous
    Man, that dude was like, crazyyyy talented. First 'It Mek' and 'The Israelites' and now you tell me Philosophy, too?

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  100. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Lately there has arisen a similar phenomenon in men. Women inject silicone in their chests while now male body builders are injecting oil (Synthol) into their arms. The men who get tired of endless iron pumping in an attempt to create huge biceps now have a shortcut. They can inject this oil under the skin and get something like an oil hematoma that looks superficially like hypertrophied muscle.

    The men who do this have a couple advantages over the girls who put balloons in their chests. Girls have to hire a surgeon while a man may squirt the oil in themselves (must hurt a lot). Although I can't ever remember seeing a woman with silicone breasts in the wrong place, many men seemed to have put the oil is spots that are odd. Or it could be that the oil has moved around under the skin. In any case there are a lot of photos on the web now of guys with strange lumps in strange places.

    Female breast implants work and work well. They elicit some circuit in the male brain that signals - "I'm a ripe female". I know it's fake but I can't help it. I look and I like. The male subcutaneous lumps don't exploit a similar reaction in female brains. Women are less visually oriented in their sexual responses. Girls can learn to associate a man's big muscles with sex but the male response to the female mammaries seems to be innate. It just appears in puberty. Suddenly boys just notice.

    I don’t know. Implants work best when a girl has her shirt on, like the one in the image above, but topless they often look odd. They can work if done right and on a girl with a little extra cushion for the pushin’, but on a scrawny girl, they usually look really bizarre when topless.

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  101. ogunsiron says:
    @Moses
    Scott Adams covers this. The human brain literally hallucinates an alternative reality rather than accept facts that threaten a cherished belief. Example:

    I once made the mistake of getting into a school choice debate with a cousin (I'm pro).

    When I pointed out that she had the privileged ability to send her son to a private school (because he needed "extra attention") and that she would not only deny low-income parents the same school choice privilege she had, but would straightjacket their children into crap schools, she said:

    "They have choice because they can get a scholarship."

    I pointed out that scholarships to tony $25k+ private schools are not lying about on the pavement like acorns. I pointed out that her son (a White boy) had not received a scholarship and wouldn't get one either.

    It was in vain. She repeated herself with religious zeal: "Anyone can get a scholarship. Anyone can go to a private school."

    I think she really believed it. She had to in order to reconcile her personal behavior with her position against tuition vouchers and school choice. She was a public school teacher too, how's that for irony.

    You cannot reason with these people.

    Over the years I’ve had to dramatically lower my expectations when it comes to intelligent conversation with women. I can think of only 1 woman who’s genuinely intellectually curious and with whom I could genuinely breach uncomfortable topics and who would be willing to think outside of her usual box.

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