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From the New York Times news section:

Discussing Blackness on Reddit? Photograph Your Forearm First

Moderators of an online forum called Black People Twitter have caused an uproar by requiring participants to submit a photograph proving they are not white.

By Amy Harmon, Oct. 8, 2019

Amy Harmon is a certified AAA iSteve Content Generator.

It was meant to be a destination on the internet where black people could let down their guard.

The forum, one of the many on Reddit, featured a feed of jokes and memes and commentary circulated on social media by black people, and comment threads where discussions could unfold. A post parodied the discomfort many white people seem to feel with the phrase “black lives matter.” Participants riffed on the rapper Kanye West’s suggestion that slavery had lasted too long to have been involuntary. Conversations about topics in the news and personal encounters with racial bias were interspersed with sometimes off-color humor about sex, romance and lifestyle advice.

Given that the vast majority of Reddit users are white, no one seemed to be under the illusion that only black people would weigh in. As one of the forum’s moderators recalled, the thought was that the white users who held sway in nearly all of Reddit’s 157,100 other communities, known as subreddits, would see no need to dominate this one.

The moderators were wrong.

It can be difficult to tell a person’s race on Reddit….

Many black users came to believe that white users were pretending to be black to give their unpopular opinions more credibility. Some of the posts casually dropped racial slurs. Others repeated anti-black stereotypes about crime, parenting and intelligence. Beyoncé was disparaged.

“These people are white,” said Tony Hinderman, 23, a black actor in Chicago. “Black people love Beyoncé. There is nothing to not love about her.”

The weight of unseen white opinion also made itself felt through the Reddit ranking system, in which posts and comments rise or fall in visibility based on users clicking on the “up” or “down” arrows next to each.

Let me point out that I didn’t put in an ellipse after the Beyonce stereotype.

Actually, my impression is that blacks are pretty creative about coming up with amusing reasons about why they don’t like somebody or something that other blacks like. Blacks are pretty well-represented in the ranks of professional comedians, which suggests an ability for coming up with surprising, non-stereotypical quick takes.

A comment on a post about a first-generation black college student’s entry to Harvard Medical School — “you’ll be attending thanks to affirmative action” — received hundreds of “upvotes” before it was removed by a moderator. In conversations about police violence, allusions to “black on black crime,” carrying the false implication that black people break the law more often, would float to the top.

So there you go, it’s a False Implication that black people break the law more often.

… More aggravating to some of the moderators were the seemingly well-meaning white participants who appeared to think their questions about police violence — questions like “Don’t you think it would have been different if he hadn’t resisted?” — were original or illuminating. …

One user, Bigg-Tech, received the black check-mark icon that signified acceptance and responded by posting a joyful dancing GIF from “Soul Train.”

But that’s totally not stereotypical!

 
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  1. Does all this mean that there is some kind of White hasbara?

  2. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:

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    • Replies: @adreadline
    , @TelfoedJohn
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    • Replies: @Charon
  4. It was meant to be a destination on the internet where black people could let down their guard.

    Not allowed for White People.

    Anyhow, who are “black people” – sounds like a construction, socially.

    Anyhow, if Reddit is allowed to make decisions regarding freedom of association based purely on skin color, I’ll follow their lead – they’re smart, right?

    • Replies: @syonredux
  5. syonredux says:

    carrying the false implication that black people break the law more often, would float to the top.

    Does Amy Harmon think that that the homicide stats are fake?That large numbers of Blacks are being framed for murders that are actually committed by Whites? It would be interesting to see her response.

  6. And then, for no reason whatsoever, Birth of a Nation became a hit movie.

  7. “These people are white,” said Tony Hinderman, 23, a black actor in Chicago. “Black people love Beyoncé. There is nothing to not love about her.”

    I’m gonna guess that a 23-year-old black actor who loves Beyoncé has an additional, uh, dimension to his identity that might make his opinion a bit different from the average black fellow’s.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
  8. 216 says: • Website

    So there you go, it’s a False Implication that black people break the law more often.

    If you can corner an SJW, they will start alleging that:

    -whites commit the same rates of crime
    -police aren’t in white neighborhoods, so they don’t find it
    -whites are wealthy and lawyers get them off

  9. It would be interesting to see her response.

    No, it wouldn’t.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @syonredux
  10. Anonymous[503] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

  11. Yngvar says:
    @syonredux

    You can ask her yourself. She provides a contact form. Report back!

  12. So there you go, it’s a False Implication that black people break the law more often.

    So we can go back to selling guns in the ghetto? I mean, there’s no problem in Hooterville. Why would there be in Darktown?

  13. newrouter says:

    >Discussing Blackness on Reddit? <

    I enjoy watching paint dry as better entertainment.

  14. syonredux says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It would be interesting to see her response.

    No, it wouldn’t.

    I’m hoping for a really outré response…..

  15. syonredux says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    Anyhow, who are “black people” – sounds like a construction, socially.

    We should get Rachel Dolezal’s opinion…..

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
  16. @syonredux

    Say what you want about her but she honestly looks like a quadroon here. She should become a hair and make-up stylist.

  17. @syonredux

    They’re numerically illiterate so they don’t think about that. They think it’s just police arresting more black people, people being falsely accused, “they get into gangs because they’re poor because of racist white people”, etc. They have a million excuses.

  18. Ano says:

    …where black people could let down their guard…

    Like when African-Americans ‘let down their guard’ (i.e. when whites aren’t around) and frankly admit to each other that Rodney King asked for it…

  19. “These people are white,” said Tony Hinderman, 23, a black actor in Chicago. “Black people love Beyoncé. There is nothing to not love about her.”

    The gay black Chicago actor scene must be cray-cray.

    • Agree: Charon
  20. Lot says:

    Reddit is an amazing site in concept and reality: forums take zero effort or money to create and can be fairly anonymous. They can be moderated any way the creator of the subreddit sees fit.

    Reddit PC censorship is complained of by the most despised sliver of the right, but overall is quite minor.

    While cryptocurrency is largely a Red Chinese ponzi scheme, a reddit type site run on it is called steemit and is probably the most impressive crypto site ever if you aren’t impressed by the many “ebay for drugs” darkweb sites. It isn’t very popular, and most of the content is the same old crappy hype about other cryptos.

    However, steemit and a few other sites stand ready to take over if reddit ever engages in real censorship. This puts a check on reddit censorship. So does the fact the site’s finances are precarious.

    In terms of fighting antiwhite leftism, I think the best time online is spent on wikipedia. It is the top result of 80% of google searches! But Wikipedia edit wars are tedious and exhausting at times, and reddit is fun. So I endorse it too, even if it isn’t perfect.

  21. Lot says:

    The “arm test” pic is also used on 4chan by various white South Americans who want admission to the WN discussion. It puts up little IP address based flags, so is needed for those posting from Brazil, etc.

  22. Amy Harmon (born September 17, 1968) is an American journalist. She won a Pulitzer Prize as a correspondent for The New York Times covering the impact of science and technology on everyday life. Harmon uses narrative storytelling to illuminate the human dilemmas posed by advances in science. In 2013, she was named a Guggenheim Fellow.

    ……”narrative storytelling” [a “technique” used by 100% of modern “journalists” over the past 30 years. My gawd these people are boring.]

    In 1997, she joined The New York Times. Three years later she wrote an article about a black internet entrepreneur and his white partner, “A Limited Partnership: The Black Internet Entrepreneur Had the Idea; The White One Became the Venture’s Public Face”. It was one of ten articles in a series on race relations for which The New York Times staff won the Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting….

    Amy’s been at this for awhile. As to the award-winning story…..A Black Swan event if there ever was one.

  23. Charon says:
    @Anon

    We offer the highest quality black forearm conversion on the market.

    What’s gratifying to see is that the free market has stepped up to fulfill this need!

    However since it’s Reddit you need more female models

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @TTSSYF
  24. Alfa158 says:
    @syonredux

    A common, almost mainstream idea, is that Black crime rates appear higher only because The Man floods Black neighborhoods with oppressive police presence and catches more criminals. White neighborhoods are lightly patrolled and Whites are not stopped and searched, therefore Whites are less likely to be caught committing crimes, less likely to be searched and found to have guns, drugs, stolen goods etc in their possession. Additionally since young Blacks are more likely to be arrested, they then are trapped forever in the criminal justice system and keep getting into repeat trouble while young Whites doing the same things catch a break and become mainstream citizens. This is behind the push to reduce arrests of Blacks who commit relatively minor crimes. If they don’t get arrested for crimes, then they are not criminals, and therefore like Whites have a chance to become solid mainstream citizens. Sounds perfectly logical to me. What was that old movie with Pat O’Brian and James Cagney? As kids they commit a crime and O’Brian, who can run faster, gets away and eventually become a priest , while Cagney gets caught and becomes a gangster who goes to the electric chair with O’Brian as the priest walking him up the last mile.
    More extreme ideas include Whites commit crimes wearing Black masks, The Man artificially minimizes White crime by reclassifying deaths from murders committed by Whites as suicide or auto accidents, the framing of Blacks for White crimes etc.

    • Replies: @Fred C Dobbs
  25. Discussing Blackness on Reddit? Photograph Your Forearm First

    Do Vijay Singh’s forearms give him lifetime honorary membership in Black People Twitter on Reddit?

    Or no?

  26. Bruno says:

    What I don’t understand is that the average black sat score at Harvard college is 1434 or 97%. The highest score is for asian, just 100 points above at 1534, or 99.5%. Black are at 1 in 30 in general population passing the SAT (wich is top half) and Asian at 1 in 200. If correlation with IQ were perfect it would be 132 IQ for blacks and 142 IQ for asian. But the correlation being only 0,65 as they recruit on this test (it would be 0,8 if it was ex post), you get 121 IQ for blacks and 127 IQ for asian (1 in 10 versus 1 in 30).

    So the differences can be huge for the maybe 50 geniuses out of 1700 people, but for the bulk of Harvard college, it’s not essentially IQ differences .

    It’s possible that temperamental hereditary differences are more discriminating there ….

    • Replies: @res
  27. El Dato says:

    OT: Indians know how to party!

    Teen girls WHIPPED in Hindu ritual believed to cure illnesses & ward off evil spirits

    This should be introduced in the West. Many “reporters” need it.

    The ritual is supposed to rid women and girls of evil spirits, as well as heal ailments. According to tradition, if a woman doesn’t feel pain, it means she has fallen victim to dark forces.

    But what happens then? This being the usual “witchcraft detection” logic, probably nothing good.

  28. RobUK says:

    It was meant to be a destination on the internet where black people could let down their guard

    The NYT times ceaselessly trawls the Internet looking for sites where white people can let down their guard, then denounces them in a five day hate fest.

    Beyoncé was disparaged.

    Swoons. This is too much. Shut the whole thing down.

    “These people are white,” said Tony Hinderman, 23, a black actor in Chicago. “Black people love Beyoncé. There is nothing to not love about her.”

    That’s the Official Opinion, no dissent permitted from black people. No True Scotsman disparages Beyonce.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @J1234
  29. @Anonymous

    Make Mass Execution Great Again!Not Incarceration, Flagellation!

  30. @Alfa158

    “Angels With Dirty Faces”, and no, I did not need The Google for that one. Plus Bogart and the full complement of Dead End Kids, Leo and Huntz included. BTW it’s “O’Brien”, the Pride of Milwaukee.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  31. El Dato says:
    @Charon

    I foresee a “Minority Report” scene where chinese doctors packing heat working out of an inner-city fly-by-night shop remove the arm you were born with and graft a “found” black arm in place so that you can pass through the Race Detector.

    “Good as new! Also, stronger. This will help you get through Affirmative Action spot checks.”

    “What happened to the original wearer?”

    “Some question shall be left unanswered.”

  32. TTSSYF says:

    But I thought race was a mere social construct. So why would photographing one’s forearm tell us anything about them?

    • Replies: @Flip
    , @Smithsonian5
  33. TTSSYF says:
    @Charon

    I would think he’d also need some gender-fluid forearms.

  34. OT: Curious phenomenon. Black people on twitter are really unhappy the brother of the black dude shot in Texas forgave the white ditz cop who shot him. P.S. “Dr” Jason Johnson.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  35. Pheasant says:
    @Lot

    ‘Reddit PC censorship is complained of by the most despised sliver of the right, ‘

    They literally allow pedophile forums but not White Nationalist ones…

  36. Pheasant says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    To be fair so are a lot of Whites. I confess I just cannot see how anyone could forgive that woman for that… I cannot even understand how it happened.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    , @Sam Malone
  37. Arclight says:

    I love how we are constantly told black people are not a monolith, yet there is no greater sin for a black person than to go off the reservation on politics, crime, etc.

    While I don’t doubt there are a lot of white people commenting on this particular Reddit thread, there are a fair number of black people who are forthright about the crime disparity or don’t love sainted performers like Beyoncé.

    Anyhow, I would say one of the truly difficult things about being black in modern America is the enormous social pressure to conform to a very limited menu of political and cultural values lest you have other blacks and righteous whites slam you as being a race traitor.

  38. countenance says: • Website

    The New Paper Bag Test.

  39. “Blacks are pretty well-represented in the ranks of professional comedians, which suggests an ability for coming up with surprising, non-stereotypical quick takes.”

    As well as the post office. They must be really well organized as well!

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
  40. @RobUK

    “Black people love Beyoncé. There is nothing to not love about her.”

    It is true that black people (especially in the US) generally admire any other black person who is globally successful, seeing them as an inspiration. It does not necessarily follow, therefore, that all black people like Beyonce’s music as music, although it is obviously very popular.

    So black people love Rihanna as much? Possibly not, because Rihanna promotes the image of a sexy island vixen, whereas Beyonce is portrayed in media as a wife and mother.

    Although in this interview Rihanna seems very much the girl next door type.

    • Replies: @Spangel
  41. Reminds of the time NBC national news fuzzed out the arms of some Black college football players involved with some sexual assault situation in an attempt to hide their blackness which was ridiculous because other news organizations had pictures as well.

  42. Spangel says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Beyoncé is more talented than Rihanna. Unlike stem achievements, when it comes to evaluating blacks in areas blacks routinely excel at, I find that regular black people are pretty objective in their assessments of who is actually good at something.

  43. Charles says:
    @syonredux

    Her repsonse would not be interesting. It would insult your intelligence (and many other characteristics as well).

  44. @Anon

    This seems like a job for Indians. “Order your genuine extra-dark Dravidian forearm today.”

  45. kihowi says:

    Blacks are pretty well-represented in the ranks of professional comedians, which suggests an ability for coming up with surprising, non-stereotypical quick takes.

    Listening to individual black men hold forth about anything is extremely entertaining. Fundamentally they’re scientists; they try to understand and spend a lot of time thinking of explanations for everything, with varying levels of goofiness. They’re like the House of Commons; debate as a good natured fight where the quickest thinker wins, but don’t take it too seriously. They’re also pretty frank about racism being a hustle, a scam that is very much to their advantage so they’d be fools to do away with it.

    If half of white people weren’t desirous of destroying the other half, and the other half weren’t so gullible, black men wouldn’t be that bad to live with. Black women, gay black men and hateful white people and (((white people))) are the ones ruining everything.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  46. More aggravating to some of the moderators were the seemingly well-meaning white participants who appeared to think their questions about police violence — questions like “Don’t you think it would have been different if he hadn’t resisted?” — were original or illuminating.

    The most obvious answer to a question may not be original or illuminating, just a simple statement of fact. But for some people, responding with “It’s not that simple” is sufficient refutation.

    BTW, we’re always hearing that we’ve not yet had the National Conversation About Race, but it appears that that’s been happening on Black Twitter, but black people object to white people being able to join in.

    • Replies: @jim jones
  47. @Anonymous

    Who writes her stuff anyway?

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  48. TWS says:

    Maybe they should require a brown paper bag in the background as contrast?

  49. jim jones says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    My Catholic neighbours were having an argument recently and my position was that “the Bible says a wife should obey her husband”. The answer she came up with was “It’s not that simple”.

  50. @Lot

    Reddit is an amazing site in concept and reality…Reddit PC censorship is complained of by the most despised sliver of the right, but overall is quite minor.

    Reddit is cancer.

    Perusing the frontpage now:

    Anti Trump

    Hotel staff of Reddit, how often do you catch people nude in the halls and what’s your best story? [NSFW]

    My friend took this photo of Greta Thunberg today.

    Anti Trump

    AITA for telling my son that I don’t trust his boyfriend

    Anti Trump

    Emma Watson Launches Hotline That Offers Free Legal Advice for Women Experiencing Workplace Harassment

    Anti Trump

    TIFU by leaving my dildo on my bedside table [NSFW?]

    Anti Trump

    MRW old people at weddings poke me and say “you’re next” but I only have 6 cats waiting for me at home

    Goldman Sachs released a 34-page analysis of the impact of climate change. And the results are terrifying.

    Yknow what? I don’t care if I’m a mostly straight man, this nail polish makes me feel pretty.

    A touching moment between a Scottish Piper and a traditional African drummer as they play together in Edinburgh.

  51. res says:
    @Bruno

    What I don’t understand is that the average black sat score at Harvard college is 1434 or 97%. The highest score is for asian, just 100 points above at 1534, or 99.5%.

    That 1434 seemed high to me, but appears to be roughly (they say 1408 for classes of 2000-2017, higher in the more recent years) supported by the data at https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/22/asian-american-admit-sat-scores/
    (that Asian admissions lawsuit has made for some interesting data being available!)

    I have a bit of trouble reconciling that with this 2004 paper:
    https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/webAdmission%20Preferences%20Espenshade%20Chung%20Walling%20Dec%202004.pdf

    I see figures like the following. Not direct statements of averages for Harvard students by race, but suggestive.

    This one is applicants not matriculants.

    Average scores for applicants in each race/ethnic group are as follows: white (1347), African American (1202), Hispanic (1230), Asian (1363), and other races (1322).

    Admissions “advantages” from regression models:

    The bonus for African-American applicants is roughly equivalent to an extra 230 SAT points (on a 1600-point scale), to 185 points for Hispanics, 200 points for athletes, and 160 points for children of alumni. The Asian disadvantage is comparable to a loss of 50 SAT points.7

    Why is the regression model advantage so much higher than the difference observed in the Harvard students?

    • Replies: @Bruno
    , @Steve Sailer
  52. Flip says:
    @TTSSYF

    But I thought race was a mere social construct. So why would photographing one’s forearm tell us anything about them?

    I don’t think blacks view race as a social construct, just white lefties.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @TTSSYF
  53. ATBOTL says:

    Actually, my impression is that blacks are pretty creative about coming up with amusing reasons about why they don’t like somebody or something that other blacks like. Blacks are pretty well-represented in the ranks of professional comedians, which suggests an ability for coming up with surprising, non-stereotypical quick takes.

    You’ve never been around a lot of black people. I have.

    Most blacks are extreme conformist. They have a kind of hive mind about what they like and don’t like. Black comedians with a largely white audience are not representative of average blacks. Not at all. Blacks interpret not liking Beyonce or not liking dreadlocks or not liking soul food on the part of a non-black as the same thing as calling blacks the n-word. That’s just how it is. They are extremely paranoid and defensive. Black twitter is reflective of average blacks.

    Among themselves, blacks don’t argue about musical taste or things like that the way white people do. Those in the minority with different tastes soft pedal their differences around other blacks. Blacks are very into the group thing. The hive mind. They put out vibrations and then adjust the frequency so that all the blacks in the environment are humming at the same pitch.

    • Replies: @anon
  54. J1234 says:
    @RobUK

    It was meant to be a destination on the internet where black people could let down their guard

    The NYT times ceaselessly trawls the Internet looking for sites where white people can let down their guard, then denounces them in a five day hate fest.

    Very good point. Implicit in Amy’s sentence is the idea that black people are really concerned about what whites and people of other races think of them. I personally don’t see much evidence of that in the behavior, language and lifestyles of many black people. In fact, I’d say that a problem in black America is that too many people don’t have their guard up enough (in a social context.)

    Here’s a bunch of black people out in public with their guard up. Or their guard down…I really can’t tell which.

    BTW, when I typed “black people acting crazy in public” into the youtube search, what I got was a bunch of “black people help white people understand racism” type videos. Or “white people are crazy” videos. I had to specifically look for Chuckee Cheese incidents.

  55. @Daniel Williams

    I’m gonna guess that a 23-year-old black actor who loves Beyoncé has an additional, uh, dimension to his identity that might make his opinion a bit different from the average black fellow’s.

    Yes, clearly his breakfasts consist of Fruit Loops.

    Also, does ANY 23-year-old, irrespective of race or, uh, breakfast cereal taste preferences, regard “Beyoncé” as anything other than “that Black lady that grandma likes?”

  56. anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flip

    I don’t think blacks view race as a social construct, just white lefties .Baizuo

    FIFY.

  57. anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATBOTL

    They put out vibrations and then adjust the frequency so that all the blacks in the environment are humming at the same pitch.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Tribalism

  58. @kihowi

    black men wouldn’t be that bad to live with

    Except for the part where they murder and rape people. The appalling level of violent crime committed by blacks is mostly committed by the males.

    • Replies: @Charon
  59. @TTSSYF

    But I thought race was a mere social construct. So why would photographing one’s forearm tell us anything about them?

    Quick thought, if you mention that transgender people are not actually the sex that they claim to be then you will be denounced as attempting to erase them. But if you state that race doesn’t exist then you get a comradely nod of approval.
    Logic, eh?

  60. Not Raul says:

    If I anonymously submit a photo of a forearm, how would anyone know that it’s mine?

    • Replies: @anon
  61. @Anonymous

    “21-Year-Old Arrested For Oversleeping Through First Day Of Jury Duty”

    As with the three-fifths rule, the logic is upside-down on this. Let me spell it out for the dense:

    Defense attorneys want blacks on juries. The more the merrier.* Same with women.

    Prosecutors prefer to have fewer of both, to make conviction easier.

    Punishing blacks for taking jury duty lightly is in the interest of public defenders, so there can be at least some blacks on the jury.

    This was the momentum behind Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s drive to abolish “permissive” (i.e., optional) jury service for women. She was driven by feminist principles, but her allies on the case just wanted to get more acquittals by having more women empaneled. So, ladies, that’s why you’re now forced onto the jury, like us guys have always been.

    The best way to keep blacks off juries is to set standards few can meet. Like staying awake during a boring trial.

    *I’ve heard that 50+ years ago, the opposite was the case. Black jurors then had less sympathy for black criminals. Whites would fall for the “tough childhood” excuse, but every black on the jury had had one too, and they didn’t commit any crimes. Before the civil rights era, blacks had to prove themselves worthy, and behaved far better than they do now.

  62. Bruno says:
    @res

    The data come from the Crimson itself and the article doesn’t tend to minimize the gap :

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/22/asian-american-admit-sat-scores/

    So that’s true it’s a relatively small gap considering that asian have few athletes or legacies to make their average go down ….

  63. anon[547] • Disclaimer says:
    @Not Raul

    If I anonymously submit a photo of a forearm, how would anyone know that it’s mine?

    Do you have a picture of Amy Harmon’s forearm available?

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  64. notsaying says:

    If they didn’t want anybody to post who wasn’t black, they should have said so upfront.

    They may as well operate on an honor system and just ask people if they are black. The picture thing is bogus: anybody could upload a picture they got from Google images if they really want to participate.

    Here’s the one I cannot believe:

    In conversations about police violence, allusions to “black on black crime,” carrying the false implication that black people break the law more often, would float to the top.

    What’s the point of denying high levels of black-on-black crime exist, especially to other blacks? Even if whites did commit more crime there’s a lot more white people than black people. You have to compare the percentages of criminals in each race, not the numbers of crimes committed.

  65. TTSSYF says:
    @Flip

    I’ve heard blacks on TV claiming that race is merely a social construct. They may not really believe or act like it, but a fair number of them will say it, especially when debating whites who claim otherwise.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  66. @Pheasant

    You’re mad that the brother of a “murder” victim (still not sure how what she did equates to murder), motivated by his deep religious conviction, forgave the remorseful woman who killed his brother? Or do you buy the black twitter idea that this woman had some ulterior motivated related her hatred of black people?

  67. anon[547] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder if Beyonce’ likes pumpkin spice?

  68. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF

  69. Andy says:

    My own vague impression is that African Americans are generally more accepting of the reality of racial differences than the white SJWs trying to “protect” them

  70. Anyone Beyonce doesn’t love must be white.

  71. @res

    My impression is that Harvard frequently wins battles for the smartest black applicants with other super rich colleges.

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @res
  72. @Prester John

    Since her smartypants Chief of Staff Saikat Chakrabarti left, her tweets and quotes don’t have quite the same punch…

  73. @anon

    “Show us your forearm, whitey! I’m glad president Marijuana Pepsi had the idea to number you folks, I sure can’t tell the difference.”

  74. Charon says:
    @Steve Sailer

    It’s a dirty little secret in the upper echelons of higher education that Harvard indeed wins admits most often but that a goodly number of more sophisticated applicants prefer the alternatives–along with the obvious ones, schools like Williams and Swarthmore which “Dreamers” and migrants from Sierra Leone haven’t even heard of. Hence the stats can mislead .

  75. res says:
    @Steve Sailer

    My impression is that Harvard frequently wins battles for the smartest black applicants with other super rich colleges.

    Agreed. Which would make it very interesting to see similar statistics (SAT scores for admits by race) for other schools after Harvard has pulled enough talented blacks out of the pool to supply 15% of their undergrads. I assume the mismatch just increases all the way down as each tier of schools tries to admit blacks somewhere near population proportion.

    Alternatively, I wonder what yield rate statistics would look like broken down by race.
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/college-admission-yields-is-fix-in/
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/harvards-quota-on-asians/#comment-2275171

    Have you ever seen yield rate statistics by race?

  76. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:

    I remember there used to be an internet forum (I think it was modelminority.com?) that only allowed Asian members. I don’t know how this was enforced though. I assume the moderators would question prospective members to find out if they really were Asians.

  77. Charon says:
    @William Badwhite

    But if it weren’t for the ‘goodwhites’ and “fellow white people” that criminality would not be tolerated. If not for them it would have been controlled–effectively–a long time ago.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  78. @MikeatMikedotMike

    As well as the post office. They must be really well organized as well!

    Not to mention garbage collection in my far-far-left university town.

  79. @Charon

    Agree. But even if we went back to Jim Crow, living among black men would be unpleasant.

    The OP said something to the effect of “black men wouldn’t be that bad to live with”. Yes they would.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  80. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    The point of Jim Crow was that blacks and whites were not living too closely together. Most especially young blacks and young whites did not associate too much. Yes, to the explicit consternation of race mixers, it was to stop as far as possible interracial sex and marriage, as well as to highly control black access to white residential areas to prevent crime.

    It was actually the best system southern whites could come up with to deal with a problem-how to live amongst a subspecies of people that had proven a serious challenge to live around. It was, if I dare say it, a Christian response. A pagan or genuine atheist response would have simply to deport or kill them.

    Jim Crow Southland was a better place for the average black than Detroit or Baltimore or Newark or Camden today, though the talented tenth found it frustrating. Mostly they were frustrated at having to live around average blacks instead of people closer to them in IQ and behavior.

    I can’t sufficiently recommend reading the short books of Carleton Putnam and also the writings of Revilo P. Oliver on the subject. Putnam was a Christian, Oliver an atheist but an honest one-maybe I should have put that the other way around- but they agree on a great deal but differ on the ultimate outcome. Both would be horrified but unsurprised at 2019 Baltimore.

  81. @Pheasant

    I thought it was really strange how I read that after the brother of the victim hugged the cop, the lady judge came down to hug her too, and I think give her a bible. I can’t see how that’s appropriate for a judge to do. It is very feminine though, lots of hugging, tears, emoting and compassion these days.

  82. AceDeuce says:
    @Fred C Dobbs

    A buddy of O’Brien’s, who grew up with him in Milwaukee, was a pretty good actor himself–Spencer Tracy.

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