The Unz Review - Mobile
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 TeasersiSteve Blog
New York Times, 2017: "George Zimmerman, the White Man Who Shot the Black Teenager"
🔊 Listen RSS
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New Reply
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

In the New York Times today, another one of the ever growing genre of profiles of obscure far rightists. This one is a lengthy article profiling a young heavy metal drummer/welder in a small town in Ohio, who has drifted politically over the years from liberalism to libertarianism to, at present, the extreme right Traditionalist Worker Party.

In America’s Heartland, a Voice of Hate Among ‘Normies’

By RICHARD FAUSSET NOV. 25, 2017

… He said he wanted to see the United States become “an actually fair, meritocratic society.” Absent that, he would settle for a white ethno-state “where things are fair, because there’s no competing demographics for government power or for resources.”

Mr. Fausset, the reporter, was then called out by New York Times subscribers for failing to crush the ideological arguments of the extremist drummer. For example:

Screenshot 2017-11-25 14.22.11

So, the reporter then wrote a mea culpa about his shame at his failure to intellectually shame the drummer, and concludes in his own self-defense that some people, like arsonists and the subject of his article, are just plain Evil for reasons too mysterious for human understanding.

I Interviewed a White Nationalist and Fascist. What Was I Left With?

By RICHARD FAUSSET NOV. 25, 2017

There is a hole at the heart of my story about Tony Hovater, the white nationalist and Nazi sympathizer.

Why did this man — intelligent, socially adroit and raised middle class amid the relatively well-integrated environments of United States military bases — gravitate toward the furthest extremes of American political discourse?

I had hoped the answer would fall in my lap when I traveled to Ohio to spend time with Mr. Hovater. We met at a Panera Bread, at his suggestion. We ate turkey sandwiches. At my prompting, he described his life growing up, a life that seemed altogether unremarkable. He spoke of a number of moments that soured him on mainstream politics, none of them particularly exotic. One was the Republican National Committee’s rule changes, during the 2012 convention, that worked against Mr. Hovater’s preferred candidate at the time, the libertarian Ron Paul, and in favor of Mitt Romney, the eventual Republican nominee. Mr. Hovater called it “the first time I thought about how a system will protect itself, and its own interests, to protect what it is they really want.”

And yet what, of any of this, explained Mr. Hovater’s radical turn? Where was his Rosebud?

After I had filed an early version of the article, an editor at The Times told me he felt like the question had not been sufficiently addressed. So I went back to Mr. Hovater in search of answers. I still don’t think I really found them. I could feel the failure even as Mr. Hovater and I spoke on the phone, adding to what had already been hours of face-to-face conversation in and around his hometown New Carlisle, Ohio.

On the phone, Mr. Hovater responded to my question by rattling off names of libertarian academics, making references to sci-fi movies and describing, yet again, his frustration with what he described as the plodding and unjust nature of American democracy. …

What makes a man start fires?

Let me offer two suggestions for solving this conundrum of what motivates the subject:

First, he’s a heavy metal drummer.

Granted, he’s thoughtful by drummer standards, and hopefully he will move on to more mature ideas. But, still …

Hunter S Thomism tweets:

the more I think about “metal drummer likes edgy things” as an alternative headline the more absurd it becomes.

Right. It’s like how 1970s punk bands like the Ramones, Sex Pistols, and Mick Jones’ pre-Clash London SS were into Nazi crap for awhile. Why? Because it was stupid and offensive and they liked being stupid and offensive.

Judging from NYT’s profile of Metal Drummer Who Likes Edgy Things, he might well be LARPing as a “Nazi sympathizer” in order to get himself profiled in the NYT.

Second, consider a phrase from Mr. Fausset’s first article about the drummer that help explain his subject’s awareness of a growing anti-white animus in the conventional media, an assertion that happened to sail right through the New York Times’ fact-checking and editorial apparatus:

NYT: “white man”

In 2012, Mr. Hovater was incensed by the media coverage of the Trayvon Martin shooting, believing the story had been distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager. … But in the aftermath of the shooting, Ms. Hovater found herself on social media “questioning the official story,” taking Mr. Zimmerman’s side and finding herself blocked by some of her friends. Today, she says, she and Mr. Hovater are “pretty lined up” politically. [Bold mine-SES]

Notice the New York Times’ current version of The Narrative: “George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager.”

The (self-identified) triracial George Zimmerman, (who looks like the son Obama never had with his half-Asian half-white ex-girlfriend Sheila Miyoshi Jager), is not even a “white Hispanic” anymore to the New York Times, he’s been demoted back to being “the white man.”

To the New York Times, George Zimmerman is, without qualification today, the literal Great White Defendant.

It really helps to own The Megaphone.

 
Hide 215 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
    []
  1. Dr. X says:

    Well, this just goes to show that if (((Nate Silver))) says “Jump,” the goyim had better say “How high, sir?”

    Every now and again the Tribe needs to remind people who’s really in charge…

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc.
    AgreeDisagreeLOLTroll
    These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Troll, or LOL with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used once per hour.
    Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
    Sharing Comment via Twitter
    /isteve/new-york-times-2017-george-zimmerman-the-white-man-who-shot-the-black-teenager/#comment-2093045
    More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  2. Forbes says:

    I’m repeating myself, but Saul Steinberg’s NewYorker cover from 1976, “The View From 9th Avenue” is ever more prescient.

    Read More
    • Agree: Cato
    • Replies: @Hail
    Great visual metaphor....But my impression is that the New York Elite was mainly indifferent to Middle America in the 1970s, or maybe quietly hostile. Not overtly hostile and hate-crazed in the vein of their anti-Ferguson campaign in this decade, to name the most egregious example.

    Maybe I am wrong. In 1976, did "the media" do anything like this, choose specific 'White Flyover losers' to bash, to lie about n the most disgraceful fashion, to direct campaigns of hatred against? I don't think Cronkite-era media really did this. (Possibly against Southerners; but that was more a '50s-'60s thing and even that doesn't approach 2010s-levels of hysteria.)

    1976 was, of course, the year of Jimmy Carter (D - Georgia Peanut-Farmer; suspiciously soft on the need to suppress the Palestinians; great-grandfather a bonafide CSA Army veteran) vs. Gerald Ford (R - Nebraska-born Eagle Scout; suspiciously blond; surname shared with famous anti-Semite).

    Neither Carter nor Ford were demonized in the way any similar figure would be today.

    A 'Jimmy Carter' today would be mercilessly attacked for softness on the Confederate Flag Question, would no doubt be "Roy Moore'd" in multiple ways; I am sure CNN-thugs would dig up 'stories' of racist associates back in Georgia and impugn Carter and demand he drop out. (Note: Acc. to the exit poll, Carter won the Jewish vote 2-1 in November.)
    , @ben tillman

    I’m repeating myself, but Saul Steinberg’s NewYorker cover from 1976, “The View From 9th Avenue” is ever more prescient.
     
    It's not prescient. It's enduring.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  3. anonguy says:
    Read More
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Sea-Fodder, yeah. See, AnonG, YOU are making the mistake of looking for accountability where there IS none. While someone fucked up in a major way for this sub to be lost, I doubt this one is your sea fodder. Good take, but she was Top Cop aboard that sub, not, I assume from the story, a driver. But you have to admire their gall in the exercise of the Gender Politics, no? That she's a woman on that sub is clearly more important than the dozens of others, all men who also got croaked, not to mention crashed a national asset, a submarine. What's the fodder? Iran got one of her subs crushed under an oil tanker last year dickin' around in the Persian Gulf. The U.S. Navy, speaking of fodder, planes dropping, ships crashing. Trump's going to get full credit for the genuine, serial fuckups of Obama's gender and race politics and forced integration of the incompetent into missions that need to be strictly meritorious. 10 years in, how we looking? Women in the military, everything good? Transsexuals and homosexuals working out ok?

    Oh. Wait for it..
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  4. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    In a legitimate marketplace of ideas, legacy media like the New York Times would be torn to shreds. The Washington Post and the major television networks right along with them. The owners of the major news outlets are well aware of this, which is why they fight tooth and nail to maintain what hegemony they still have, and why they continually vilify and caraciturize even potential opposition. Megaphone indeed.

    Read More
    • Replies: @JimB
    Before the rise of conservative media on the internet, the NYT and WaPo had no push-back. They were instrumental in demoralizing the American public during the Vietnam War and helping to drive President Nixon unjustly out of office, causing a collapse of the US economy and disaster for many loyal US allies. All along the NYT and WaPo have been an organ of the Democratic Party, filled with hatred for the middle-right leaning, mostly white middle class.

    They will never enjoy that level of influence again.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  5. The Jewish establishment and their Gentile colleagues clearly have a symbiotic relationship with the anti-Semitic Far Right. They need each other, define themselves in opposition to the other and justify the need for their continued funding based on the existence of the other. Both agree the Jews are at the centre of things and the world cannot make sense without seeing it from a Jewish-centred point of view. It’s no wonder they can’t stop talking about each other.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    True of Abraham Foxman, I think. Of Wm. Kristol, no.
    , @kihowi
    What does that even mean?

    Enemies talk about each other. And?

    Is there a point here except "I feel superior to these two groups of people because I put myself safely in the middle"?

    , @Yak-15
    100% spot on accurate
    , @Anon
    It's obvious to any honest person that Jews have enormous power, as evidenced by their ability to wreck anyone who wants to talk about it. Someone who doesn't see this simply proves their intellectual dishonesty.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  6. According to his Wiki profile, George Zimmerman’s mother is Peruvian, with some African ancestry through her Afro-Peruvian maternal grandfather. His father is German-American. He identifies as “Hispanic” on his voter registration, is Catholic and a one time altar boy.

    If he were to achieve great success, or is even the victim of “police brutality”, the NYT would I’m sure identify him as a Hispanic who is part black. But for a “murderer”, only the half white part counts.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    His father is German-American.
     
    Does anybody know if it's "German-American" or "(((German)))-American"? I was under impression until today that Zimmerman's father was of Jewish ancestry, but Internet searching today mostly turned up websites saying, "ZIMMERMAN WAS A CATHOLIC ALTAR BOY. NOT JEWISH!!! REPEAT, NOT JEWISH!!!!!!"
    , @in the middle
    How funny things are in this USA. I was in Mexico while ago, and checking the Newspapers, noticed their news. Pictures of Scandinavian looking guys with names like Armando Steinberg, was found dead at such and such place. then another photograph with another Germanic looking guy with his name and the one who shot Armando. I noticed the absence of any mention of race, or nationality. How different i thought, and then checked another paper, and the same thing. Here in the US, we are so preoccupied with race and ancestry that its the only noticeable thing we see. How sad. They should use names and what they did, I don't care what color, or race, please MSM stop your BS! NO wonder we are migrating from the MSM and coming to sites like this, and others like Veteranstoday.com
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  7. Wise up guys, Whites = racist:

    Read More
    • Replies: @Hail
    This Shane Bauer turns out to be one of three non-Iranians with connections to the USA held captive in Iran in 2009-2011.

    So what's his motivation?

    Multiple choice:
    (A) Second-rate anti-White agitator of non-European-Christian origin, or
    (B) White Ethnomasochist

    Looking into his story, it turns out to be (B).

    Shane Bauer (born 1980 or '81) is a gentile according to Israeli media (in many pics he does look Jewish; are there actually Jews named Bauer [farmer]?). He was arrested for trespassing, illegal entry, and espionage in Iran in July 2009 with one companion of apparent American origin (a far-left radical, Sarah Shourd, born circa 1977; now married to Bauer) and a mysterious figure of Iraqi-Jewish origin. Bauer grew up in Onamia, Mille Lacs County, Minnesota. The county population in 2000 was 0.27% African American and 0.96% Hispanic...
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  8. El Dato says:

    On the phone, Mr. Hovater responded to my question by rattling off names of libertarian academics, making references to sci-fi movies and describing, yet again, his frustration with what he described as the plodding and unjust nature of American democracy. …

    What makes a man start fires?

    We just don’t know. And, to quote Nietzsche:

    He who interviews nazi drummers should be careful lest he thereby become a nazi drummer.

    Plus:

    Notice the New York Times’ current version of The Narrative: “George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager.”

    Steve, I do think this is wrong interpretation of a literary tournure de phrase. Re-read the paragraph:

    In 2012, Mr. Hovater was incensed by the media coverage of the Trayvon Martin shooting, believing the story had been distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager.

    The sub-sentence “The white man who shot the black teenager” is quite likely meant to be the “distorted story” that Mr. Hovater perceives the media coverage to be. It is not “objective” or stated as a true fact by the writer – it describes Mr. Hovater subjective impression of what the media coverage is.

    Read More
    • Disagree: Hail, Opinionator
    • LOL: NickG
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    If that is what the reporter murkily intended, shouldn't an editor or fact-checker have asked him to make it more clear?
    , @Anon
    If you really believe that the NYT (and the rest of the MSM) isn't presenting Zimmerman as a "white man who killed a black teenager" then all I can conclude is that you've been under a rock somewhere these past several years.
    , @HEL

    The sub-sentence “The white man who shot the black teenager” is quite likely meant to be the “distorted story” that Mr. Hovater perceives the media coverage to be. It is not “objective” or stated as a true fact by the writer – it describes Mr. Hovater subjective impression of what the media coverage is.
     
    This interpretation is delusional. Someone like Fausset would not acknowledge and is likely not even aware of the outrage felt in various quarters when this obvious mestizo Zimmerman was given dis-honorary white status. Only right-wing sources cared about that angle. Fausset was told Zimmerman is white and so he accepts that he is white. If you showed him a picture Zimmerman he might acknowledge that Zimmerman is not white, but he'd surely dismiss the misidentification as an oversight, rather than deliberate malice. My guess is it was stupidity and laziness initially, but once the case became national news they just had to stick with it.

    The MSM is just filled with stupid hacks who believe their own press, even when it is obviously wrong. Much like how the NYT rehashed the monumentally stupid claim that loony-tunes Laughner was inspired to shoot Giffords by crosshairs on a map. They even had to retract that one almost immediately, which is virtual proof that whatever moron put together that editorial honestly thought this was legitimately a cause of the shooting, rather than a schizo-level fantasy. They are just very stupid and lazy and absorbed by the narrative.
    , @Inquiring MInd
    Parsing the hidden meaning of "distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager" calls to mind Martin's woman friend Rachel Jeantel relating her cell-phone conversation with Trayvon Martin describing the man following him as a "creepy ass cracker."

    The location of the hyphen was never resolved to distinguish whether in Mr. Martin's mind that Zimmerman, was a white person who held black people in disdain or whether he was eying Martin up for a casual act of sodomy .

    The hyphen, people, we never figured out the location of the hyphen.
    , @ben tillman
    That's not how our language works. It cannot be read that way.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  9. Zimmerman’s become such a shitlord since his acquittal that we extremists consider him an honorary White.

    https://www.peterdukephoto.com/index/G0000TVpMON0Utrs/I0000ewKR_IqLft0

    Read More
    • Replies: @Guy de Champlagne
    IS that the conception of whiteness that we're fighting to protect and preserve? Oh lord I guess the new york times was right all along
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  10. Art Deco says:

    Is Mr. Hovater actually a ‘Nazi sympathizer’, or is that the witless gloss of the cretin ‘reporter’?

    ==

    I had discussions in fora like this with opinionated partisan Democrats in 2013. Their conception of Zimmerman is, I think, derived from their default states. The media stirs up trouble, but the media is throwing its weight against a door ajar. The real George Zimmerman was the middle child of an athletic coach and an Army Sergeant-Major, grew up various places with the longest stint in Prince William County, Va., was employed in an insurance office and married to a cosmetologist, lived in a low-rent suburb of Orlando in a townhouse development where resided (among others) Tracy Martin’s baby-mamma, and was a registered Democrat. His family background was somewhat exotic (maternal side relatives Peruvian pardos) and his residences over the years more metropolitan-urban than most. These data aside, he was an American everyman. He was by default somewhat adipose and unaggressive (a man he was taking self-defense lessons from in 2011 said GZ was starting from zero) and also guileless (freely talking to law enforcement without an attorney present). This was the man out of which the progtrash mind manufactured a villain.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Not a bad comment.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  11. Art Deco says:
    @Cagey Beast
    The Jewish establishment and their Gentile colleagues clearly have a symbiotic relationship with the anti-Semitic Far Right. They need each other, define themselves in opposition to the other and justify the need for their continued funding based on the existence of the other. Both agree the Jews are at the centre of things and the world cannot make sense without seeing it from a Jewish-centred point of view. It's no wonder they can't stop talking about each other.

    True of Abraham Foxman, I think. Of Wm. Kristol, no.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    No, people like Bill Kristol drag out their Jewishness to explain why they get to rule people like Trump or the Le Pen's out of bounds. All the other mainstream Jews, to a greater or lesser degree, also insist that they have a special sensitivity to Nazism and therefore should be kept around to make sure it doesn't flare up anywhere new. They further insist that anyone who notices the disproportionately Jewish character of an institution are themselves neo-Nazis. Thus Jews need to be kept around as Nazi spotters and anyone who wonders why is himself a Nazi they just spotted, thereby proving their continued necessity.
    , @Desiderius
    But Kristol does still fall back on that when Trump smokes him.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  12. @El Dato

    On the phone, Mr. Hovater responded to my question by rattling off names of libertarian academics, making references to sci-fi movies and describing, yet again, his frustration with what he described as the plodding and unjust nature of American democracy. …

    What makes a man start fires?

     

    We just don't know. And, to quote Nietzsche:

    He who interviews nazi drummers should be careful lest he thereby become a nazi drummer.
     
    Plus:

    Notice the New York Times’ current version of The Narrative: “George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager.”
     

    Steve, I do think this is wrong interpretation of a literary tournure de phrase. Re-read the paragraph:

    In 2012, Mr. Hovater was incensed by the media coverage of the Trayvon Martin shooting, believing the story had been distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager.
     
    The sub-sentence "The white man who shot the black teenager" is quite likely meant to be the "distorted story" that Mr. Hovater perceives the media coverage to be. It is not "objective" or stated as a true fact by the writer - it describes Mr. Hovater subjective impression of what the media coverage is.

    If that is what the reporter murkily intended, shouldn’t an editor or fact-checker have asked him to make it more clear?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Guy de Champlagne
    If it were meant to refer to the media narrative, not objective reality, it would be the "white man who stalked and murdered Trayvon Martin as the helpless black youth begged for his life" or something to that effect. The clause as it's written is way too neutral to refer to the guy's perception of the media bias.
    , @D. K.
    As a retired attorney, with a B.A. in English (and History), who earned an A in News Writing & Editing, over forty years ago, as a Communications minor, and was personally asked by his professor to write for the student newspaper, for which he was the faculty advisor, there is no way that I would interpret that closing descriptive clause as being intended merely to imply the false narrative of 2012, to which the subject of this current news story reacted negatively, by shifting his ideological compass rightward.
    , @Ryan Klesko
    @Steve Sailer

    They broke with the AP style guide to call the Trayvon shooting a "murder" and Michael Brown a "teenager". I'm pretty certain this is all deliberate.
    , @syonredux

    If that is what the reporter murkily intended, shouldn’t an editor or fact-checker have asked him to make it more clear?
     
    It's not what what he intended. If he really believed that Zimmerman should be counted as Hispanic (i.e., a good person) he would have written something like this:

    In 2012, Mr. Hovater was incensed by the media coverage of the Trayvon Martin shooting, believing the story had been distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white (actually Hispanic) man who shot the black teenager.
     
    That way, he could have subtly indicated Hovater's paranoid need to see anti-White bias everywhere...But preserving the narrative about Trayvon's death ("innocent Black youth murdered by racist White man") was obviously more important....
    , @anonymous
    Not when the editorial goal is obfuscation. I suspect that the sentence was, in fact, carefully edited.

    It can be quite revelatory to take articles like this, read them closely, and reverse engineer the fuzzy language, undefined terms, explicit and implicit assumptions, and other techniques that violate the rules of good composition. Awkward phrasing like the sentence in question, when subjected to the principles of good writing, often turns into what the NYT wants the reader NOT to realize. The editor's job is actually to make the writing worse.

    Reportage in Narrative Journalism is a subtle form of advocacy, analogous to a guileful lawyer's response in discovery or briefing to an inconvenient fact: hide it, and mislead with plausible deniability of any such intention. Lawyers, though, are supposed to favor their clients. So how do these journalists rationalize their efforts? "Truth > Fact"

    , @Steve Sailer

    Is Mr. Hovater actually a ‘Nazi sympathizer’, or is that the witless gloss of the cretin ‘reporter’?
     
    Maybe he decided to pretend to be one to sneak a bunch of other ideas into the NYT?
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  13. BenKenobi says:

    Why did this man — intelligent, socially adroit and raised middle class…

    The subtext I see is Mr Fausset fretting over the fact that “that could have been me.” His brain can’t reconcile how much of himself he sees in this wayward drummer.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  14. @Steve Sailer
    If that is what the reporter murkily intended, shouldn't an editor or fact-checker have asked him to make it more clear?

    If it were meant to refer to the media narrative, not objective reality, it would be the “white man who stalked and murdered Trayvon Martin as the helpless black youth begged for his life” or something to that effect. The clause as it’s written is way too neutral to refer to the guy’s perception of the media bias.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  15. kihowi says:

    Hovater found herself on social media “questioning the official story,”

    I like unnecessary scare-quotes because of how revealing they are.

    Quotes are there for quotations. But this is not a quotation.

    found herself on social media questioning the official story

    is how you would write that normally.

    Another use for quotes is to indicate some odd, idiosyncratic phrase or neologism that would look strange if it was just printed like any other word. They mean “I have no idea what this means either, reader, but they said it so I gotta report it”.

    these young people with long unkempt hair tell me they listen to “rock and roll music”, smoke something called “grass” and refer to that experience as “far out”

    The phrase “questioning the official story” is in quotes because to journalism types it’s a weird, alien phrase. Questioning itself is bad enough, but the idea that the official story is just a story belongs in The Man Who Mistook His Wife For a Hat.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    The use of quotes, as you describe, Kilhowi, is kind of interesting. It it the writer's way of stating whether the term in quotes is supposed to be "normal" or not (ha, there's those quotes again - I meant normal in the writer's eyes.) I came upon the "in his words" thing, combined with quotes, that also push an opinion into the story.

    I saw this before in this article by Brenda Walker on VDare (writes about the human side of the immigration invasion mostly) a good while back. She added something from the San Francisco ABC station:

    SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) — President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday seeking to end sanctuary cities, that, in his words, “harbor illegal immigrants.”
     
    Peak Stupidity said:

    Think about it "... sanctuary cities, that, in his words, 'harbor illegal immigrants'". WTF does the "in his words" mean here? That'd be like my calculus teacher saying: "Newton performed an integration on this function, that, in his words, used differential elements to obtain the area under the curve". It's the definition, just like "a place where they are harboring illegal aliens" is the definition of "sanctuary city".

    This could be fun. Future headlines to look for from the lying press:

    North Korean strongman Mr Kim Ill Kimson threatened today to blow the livin crap outta Washington, FS with a thermonuclear weapon that would, in his words "use a nuclear fission reaction to compress and initiate a secondary nuclear fusion reaction of a hydrogen isotope".

    A Boeing Company's commercial aircraft division spokesman announced that the new 797 will undergo it's first test flight tomorrow that would, in his words, "use Bernoulli's principle to create a low pressure region on the top of it's wings to cause lift and cause the long-delayed airplane to leave the surly bonds of earth and, like, fly."

    JLo tweeted this morning that she didn't like rap music that in her words "doesn't have any melody and is just a bunch of yelling thugs".
     

     
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  16. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    BTW, this article is already being syndicated across Internet news and search sites as “A Nazi Next Door” — how could anyone avoid clicking? It could be right next door to you! Probably is, in fact, if you have white people nearby. Can’t be too careful you know.

    To be on the safe side, you should just punch any white people you see.

    In case this isn’t good enough, note that (according to Mediaite anyway) Twitter is in an uproar that the NYT published a “sympathetic” portrayal of a Nazi in an attempt to “normalize” Naziness. No, I’m not making this up.

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/twitter-rips-nyt-for-report-on-the-nazi-sympathizer-next-door-what-the-hell-is-this/

    “This is part of a disturbing pattern I’ve noticed in the NYT”

    Read More
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Steve Silberman saying "“This is part of a disturbing pattern I’ve noticed in the NYT”" is highly disingenuous and intended to mislead.

    The disturbing pattern of covering "Nazis" has been around for decades and is a NYT staple, much as the funny pages are to smaller-town newspapers.

    The NYT will be covering Nazis and the Holocaust for a hundred years after last actual Nazi dies. In the decades that I lived in New York, a story about the Holocaust and its effect on some Jewish family or person, whether directly or indirectly, was practically a daily feature.

    What Silberman is actually saying is that the NYT shouldn't cover small-town white gentiles, unless there's a strong Jewish or WWII angle to the story. He wants real Nazis, even as the supply runs out.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  17. @Art Deco
    True of Abraham Foxman, I think. Of Wm. Kristol, no.

    No, people like Bill Kristol drag out their Jewishness to explain why they get to rule people like Trump or the Le Pen’s out of bounds. All the other mainstream Jews, to a greater or lesser degree, also insist that they have a special sensitivity to Nazism and therefore should be kept around to make sure it doesn’t flare up anywhere new. They further insist that anyone who notices the disproportionately Jewish character of an institution are themselves neo-Nazis. Thus Jews need to be kept around as Nazi spotters and anyone who wonders why is himself a Nazi they just spotted, thereby proving their continued necessity.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I think you've confused Kristol with somebody else.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  18. @Jack Highlands
    Zimmerman's become such a shitlord since his acquittal that we extremists consider him an honorary White.

    https://www.peterdukephoto.com/index/G0000TVpMON0Utrs/I0000ewKR_IqLft0

    IS that the conception of whiteness that we’re fighting to protect and preserve? Oh lord I guess the new york times was right all along

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  19. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @El Dato

    On the phone, Mr. Hovater responded to my question by rattling off names of libertarian academics, making references to sci-fi movies and describing, yet again, his frustration with what he described as the plodding and unjust nature of American democracy. …

    What makes a man start fires?

     

    We just don't know. And, to quote Nietzsche:

    He who interviews nazi drummers should be careful lest he thereby become a nazi drummer.
     
    Plus:

    Notice the New York Times’ current version of The Narrative: “George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager.”
     

    Steve, I do think this is wrong interpretation of a literary tournure de phrase. Re-read the paragraph:

    In 2012, Mr. Hovater was incensed by the media coverage of the Trayvon Martin shooting, believing the story had been distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager.
     
    The sub-sentence "The white man who shot the black teenager" is quite likely meant to be the "distorted story" that Mr. Hovater perceives the media coverage to be. It is not "objective" or stated as a true fact by the writer - it describes Mr. Hovater subjective impression of what the media coverage is.

    If you really believe that the NYT (and the rest of the MSM) isn’t presenting Zimmerman as a “white man who killed a black teenager” then all I can conclude is that you’ve been under a rock somewhere these past several years.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Yes, except that the approved formulation is “a white man who killed an unarmed black teenager.”
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  20. D. K. says:
    @Steve Sailer
    If that is what the reporter murkily intended, shouldn't an editor or fact-checker have asked him to make it more clear?

    As a retired attorney, with a B.A. in English (and History), who earned an A in News Writing & Editing, over forty years ago, as a Communications minor, and was personally asked by his professor to write for the student newspaper, for which he was the faculty advisor, there is no way that I would interpret that closing descriptive clause as being intended merely to imply the false narrative of 2012, to which the subject of this current news story reacted negatively, by shifting his ideological compass rightward.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anon
    Next time, just say "I agree."

    --from someone who has actually written for the NYT
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    As a non-retired, non-attorney, with degrees in fields other than English or any of the humanities, which I obtained in order to get a real job, previous thereto during which I spent a small amount of time writing letters to the editor of our newspaper subsequent to being told by my lab instructor to never apply to a newspaper, I have found that the lack of experience at exhibit A, said newspaper for which I was hitherfore not employed at, my ability to avoid the run-on sentence has not been sufficiently inhibited.

    Ipso facto, yes, you are absolutely right.

    ;-} To paraphrase my favorite youtube commenter: I own nothing, please don't sue me!
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  21. @Steve Sailer
    If that is what the reporter murkily intended, shouldn't an editor or fact-checker have asked him to make it more clear?

    They broke with the AP style guide to call the Trayvon shooting a “murder” and Michael Brown a “teenager”. I’m pretty certain this is all deliberate.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  22. kihowi says:
    @Cagey Beast
    The Jewish establishment and their Gentile colleagues clearly have a symbiotic relationship with the anti-Semitic Far Right. They need each other, define themselves in opposition to the other and justify the need for their continued funding based on the existence of the other. Both agree the Jews are at the centre of things and the world cannot make sense without seeing it from a Jewish-centred point of view. It's no wonder they can't stop talking about each other.

    What does that even mean?

    Enemies talk about each other. And?

    Is there a point here except “I feel superior to these two groups of people because I put myself safely in the middle”?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    What does that even mean?

    It means Jews benefit from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of "Nazis" and the anti-Semitic far-right benefits from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of Jews.

    Is there a point here except “I feel superior to these two groups of people because I put myself safely in the middle”?

    The point is that both parties will jump down the throat of anyone who tries give, to the best of his abilities, a more accurate picture of Jewish power or the state of the Alt Right, Identitarians or actual neo-Nazis and National Socialists.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  23. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    If that is what the reporter murkily intended, shouldn't an editor or fact-checker have asked him to make it more clear?

    If that is what the reporter murkily intended, shouldn’t an editor or fact-checker have asked him to make it more clear?

    It’s not what what he intended. If he really believed that Zimmerman should be counted as Hispanic (i.e., a good person) he would have written something like this:

    In 2012, Mr. Hovater was incensed by the media coverage of the Trayvon Martin shooting, believing the story had been distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white (actually Hispanic) man who shot the black teenager.

    That way, he could have subtly indicated Hovater’s paranoid need to see anti-White bias everywhere…But preserving the narrative about Trayvon’s death (“innocent Black youth murdered by racist White man”) was obviously more important….

    Read More
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    I agree. Zimmerman's whiteness is gospel now.

    For laughs, what about (((Zimmerman)))? It does sound Jewish.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  24. If that is what the reporter murkily intended, shouldn’t an editor or fact-checker have asked him to make it more clear?

    Who is Carlos hiring for fact-checking these days?

    And how many time zones away are they?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    I don’t think the NYT feels any need to have fact checkers. The core of leftist ideology is that The Narrative is reality. Repeat The Narrative and you have the facts. Fact checking can only lead to Crimethink.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  25. anonmn says:

    Steve, it’s okay to be a heavy metal drummer.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anon
    "Whiter than a Wilco concert..."

    https://youtu.be/lE0MK9o5Gsk
    , @Abe

    Steve, it’s okay to be a heavy metal drummer.
     
    Some of them are quite horrorShow, in fact:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/11/3d/f1/113df1363af25cbc9fa5fcecc59aa413.jpg
    , @Stumpy Pepys
    Yes. Yes it is okay to be bues/jazz drummer.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  26. @Art Deco
    True of Abraham Foxman, I think. Of Wm. Kristol, no.

    But Kristol does still fall back on that when Trump smokes him.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  27. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @D. K.
    As a retired attorney, with a B.A. in English (and History), who earned an A in News Writing & Editing, over forty years ago, as a Communications minor, and was personally asked by his professor to write for the student newspaper, for which he was the faculty advisor, there is no way that I would interpret that closing descriptive clause as being intended merely to imply the false narrative of 2012, to which the subject of this current news story reacted negatively, by shifting his ideological compass rightward.

    Next time, just say “I agree.”

    –from someone who has actually written for the NYT

    Read More
    • Replies: @Pericles
    How did it feel afterwards? Did you repeat to yourself, "I will never be clean again"?
    , @D. K.
    I was not agreeing. One agrees (or disagrees) with an assertion contained in a statement of fact, or in an expression of opinion. A question, by its very nature, does not make any such assertion. Steve's question was accepting, merely for the sake of argument, an assertion that had been made. My reply to Steve was categorically rejecting that same assertion, based upon my own education, training and professional experience, as someone who made and countered arguments for a living, using the English language (and the occasional Latin phrase).

    It is a shame that "The New York Times" continues to hire writers who lack the necessary education (or else, the native intelligence) to grasp such things.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  28. HEL says:
    @El Dato

    On the phone, Mr. Hovater responded to my question by rattling off names of libertarian academics, making references to sci-fi movies and describing, yet again, his frustration with what he described as the plodding and unjust nature of American democracy. …

    What makes a man start fires?

     

    We just don't know. And, to quote Nietzsche:

    He who interviews nazi drummers should be careful lest he thereby become a nazi drummer.
     
    Plus:

    Notice the New York Times’ current version of The Narrative: “George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager.”
     

    Steve, I do think this is wrong interpretation of a literary tournure de phrase. Re-read the paragraph:

    In 2012, Mr. Hovater was incensed by the media coverage of the Trayvon Martin shooting, believing the story had been distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager.
     
    The sub-sentence "The white man who shot the black teenager" is quite likely meant to be the "distorted story" that Mr. Hovater perceives the media coverage to be. It is not "objective" or stated as a true fact by the writer - it describes Mr. Hovater subjective impression of what the media coverage is.

    The sub-sentence “The white man who shot the black teenager” is quite likely meant to be the “distorted story” that Mr. Hovater perceives the media coverage to be. It is not “objective” or stated as a true fact by the writer – it describes Mr. Hovater subjective impression of what the media coverage is.

    This interpretation is delusional. Someone like Fausset would not acknowledge and is likely not even aware of the outrage felt in various quarters when this obvious mestizo Zimmerman was given dis-honorary white status. Only right-wing sources cared about that angle. Fausset was told Zimmerman is white and so he accepts that he is white. If you showed him a picture Zimmerman he might acknowledge that Zimmerman is not white, but he’d surely dismiss the misidentification as an oversight, rather than deliberate malice. My guess is it was stupidity and laziness initially, but once the case became national news they just had to stick with it.

    The MSM is just filled with stupid hacks who believe their own press, even when it is obviously wrong. Much like how the NYT rehashed the monumentally stupid claim that loony-tunes Laughner was inspired to shoot Giffords by crosshairs on a map. They even had to retract that one almost immediately, which is virtual proof that whatever moron put together that editorial honestly thought this was legitimately a cause of the shooting, rather than a schizo-level fantasy. They are just very stupid and lazy and absorbed by the narrative.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  29. AndrewR says:

    They spoke about their future — about moving to a bigger place, about their honeymoon, about having kids.

    What an odd way to end an article.

    Anyway, this dude has balls. In the current year it is not exactly safe to be so openly right-wing, but I respect his and his wife’s choice.

    Read More
    • Replies: @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    Anyway, this dude has balls. In the current year it is not exactly safe to be so openly right-wing, but I respect his and his wife’s choice.
     
    I hope no harm comes to him or his wife because of this article, but I'm not optimistic.
    , @Mr. Anon

    What an odd way to end an article.
     
    Indeed. What I really want a Times reporter to tell me, is what the subject of his interview had for breakfast, and how much it cost.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  30. @kihowi
    What does that even mean?

    Enemies talk about each other. And?

    Is there a point here except "I feel superior to these two groups of people because I put myself safely in the middle"?

    What does that even mean?

    It means Jews benefit from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of “Nazis” and the anti-Semitic far-right benefits from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of Jews.

    Is there a point here except “I feel superior to these two groups of people because I put myself safely in the middle”?

    The point is that both parties will jump down the throat of anyone who tries give, to the best of his abilities, a more accurate picture of Jewish power or the state of the Alt Right, Identitarians or actual neo-Nazis and National Socialists.

    Read More
    • Replies: @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    It means Jews benefit from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of “Nazis” and the anti-Semitic far-right benefits from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of Jews.
     
    Furthermore, the situations are by no means comparable. One side is correct; the other side is completely delusional.

    Jews have a tremendous amount of power in America, and play an enormous role in the media, entertainment, foreign policy, finance, academia, publishing, etc.

    It's pretty tough to "grossly over-emphasize" the importance of Jews in this country.

    But Nazis have less than zero power in America. They play no role whatsoever in the media, entertainment, foreign policy, finance, academia, publishing, etc.

    Yet Jews are always going on as if every institution in America is run by the Nazi Party.
    , @Bernardista
    I have noticed that in the shadow-lands which form the border between Alt Left and Alt Right there are more than a few acres of common ground, and one of them is an overwhelming (my opinion, I could be biased here) obsession with Jews.

    Personally, I think it is healthier to develop a cynicism toward mass media in general and an awareness of what narrative is being pushed, and why.

    For example, the cognitive dissonance between the picture of Zimmerman on the TV screen and the anchor's voice identifying him as a 'white neighborhood watchman' should have produced enough cognitive dissonance to make the entire viewing audience reel from end-stage vertigo, but it didn't. In fact I remember thinking, Oh, everyone is trying to rush the story to be the first to air it, and they made a mistake about his race. Ooops .'

    BTW, I remember kids in school talking about what they wanted to be when they grew up. I wanted to be a trapeze artist. Others wanted to be detectives, firemen, nurses, actresses, famous writers, rock stars, and baseball players. I don't remember ANYBODY saying that they wanted to be a Hollywood agent or a producer.

    Let's face it, those professions form the power base of some big movers and shakers, but we don't have to buy what they're selling. And judging by the results of our last election, a lot of people no longer do.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  31. Alfa158 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    If that is what the reporter murkily intended, shouldn’t an editor or fact-checker have asked him to make it more clear?
     
    Who is Carlos hiring for fact-checking these days?

    And how many time zones away are they?

    I don’t think the NYT feels any need to have fact checkers. The core of leftist ideology is that The Narrative is reality. Repeat The Narrative and you have the facts. Fact checking can only lead to Crimethink.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  32. Isn’t it funny how often the consumers of media content like the NYT screech “why are you showing me this?? I pay you not to tell me about this sort of thing! Get it out of my sight!”.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Here’s some of the ‘alarmed’ reactions to the original piece.

    Nobody seems happy to meet the The New York Times’ polite Midwestern Nazi

    And what’s up with the section font of the Times Insider? That’s gotta give some hyper-attuned people the heebie-jeebies:

    https://www.nytco.com/introducing-times-insider

    https://www.nytimes.com/section/insider

    The New York Times on blackletter in 1998:

    A Typeface as Symbol of National Pride
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    For maximum outrage, the NYT should profile these guys:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obZ7_c4BrDc
    , @Harry Baldwin
    There is a legitimate concern that letting alt-right types express themselves in public forums risks that their views will infect others. After all, their views correspond to reality, while those of the NYT editors do not.

    The left no longer has confidence that exposing the views of those in the alt-right is the best way of invalidating them. The left knows it can't win in free and open debate.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  33. The original article in the NYT is shamefully one sided. As an Asian immigrant, I don’t understand why it is that it’s okay for every ethnic group to assert their superiority or protest for their rights, but not okay for whites to do the same. As far as I’m concern, even White Nationalist groups that want people like me out of the country should still have every right to organize and have their say. This is a free country is it not? As long as they are not violent, they are not breaking any law. There is no law that says you can’t hold a certain opinion.

    Liberal thought police are turning us into an Orwellian state. They still don’t get that the extreme far left views constantly blaring through their megaphones are what’s turning a lot of whites into “nationalists”. It takes two to tango. Every force has an equal and opposite force to keep equilibrium. Heck I’m even a nationalist, you don’t have to be white to be one. I share many of the sentiments as Mr. Hovater that liberals are turning this country into a totalitarian state that has no tolerance for dissent. The tone of this article is proof. Liberals are the new fascists, the ones firmly in power, not the white nationalist, alt-right or whatever else they want to call them, they are the new rebellion. Liberals excel in name calling, it’s their favorite defense.

    And to go from mocking to wooing, the movement will be looking to make use of people like the Hovaters and their trappings of normie life — their fondness for National Public Radio, their four cats, their bridal registry.

    Somehow I highly doubt the Hovaters listen to NPR. Heck I can’t even handle NPR, and I live in liberal central, the left coast.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  34. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    If that is what the reporter murkily intended, shouldn't an editor or fact-checker have asked him to make it more clear?

    Not when the editorial goal is obfuscation. I suspect that the sentence was, in fact, carefully edited.

    It can be quite revelatory to take articles like this, read them closely, and reverse engineer the fuzzy language, undefined terms, explicit and implicit assumptions, and other techniques that violate the rules of good composition. Awkward phrasing like the sentence in question, when subjected to the principles of good writing, often turns into what the NYT wants the reader NOT to realize. The editor’s job is actually to make the writing worse.

    Reportage in Narrative Journalism is a subtle form of advocacy, analogous to a guileful lawyer’s response in discovery or briefing to an inconvenient fact: hide it, and mislead with plausible deniability of any such intention. Lawyers, though, are supposed to favor their clients. So how do these journalists rationalize their efforts? “Truth > Fact”

    Read More
    • Replies: @Pericles

    So how do these journalists rationalize their efforts? “Truth > Fact”

     

    The New York Times serves a greater truth than mere facts.
    , @CK
    I concur. Writing that ambiguous has to be crafted with care.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  35. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anonmn
    Steve, it's okay to be a heavy metal drummer.

    “Whiter than a Wilco concert…”

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  36. @AndrewR

    They spoke about their future — about moving to a bigger place, about their honeymoon, about having kids.
     
    What an odd way to end an article.

    Anyway, this dude has balls. In the current year it is not exactly safe to be so openly right-wing, but I respect his and his wife's choice.

    Anyway, this dude has balls. In the current year it is not exactly safe to be so openly right-wing, but I respect his and his wife’s choice.

    I hope no harm comes to him or his wife because of this article, but I’m not optimistic.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  37. It means Jews benefit from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of “Nazis” and the anti-Semitic far-right benefits from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of Jews

    Well, Jews plays a greatly outsized role in many of America’s worst problems, yet no one in respectable conservatism will even mention the word Jews in relation to these problems, let alone assign them any blame.

    If they did, maybe right-wingers wouldn’t have to talk about it so much.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Yes that's right. If people had been able to say on CNN and Fox News what is said here at unz.com, we wouldn't be in this mess where it takes total outsiders to do it. As it is, they get it wrong at least as often as they get it right.
    , @Art Deco
    Well, Jews plays a greatly outsized role in many of America’s worst problems, yet no one in respectable conservatism will even mention the word Jews in relation to these problems, let alone assign them any blame.

    They don't mention it because it's a poisonous fantasy.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  38. L Woods says:

    Wow, a semi-employed drummer. Another of the alt-right’s sterling elite-in-waiting.

    Read More
    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    Perhaps in another, better time, in twenty years he'd be the supervisor of his local town or representative in his county government. You go to war with the army you have.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  39. Not Raul says:
    @syonredux

    If that is what the reporter murkily intended, shouldn’t an editor or fact-checker have asked him to make it more clear?
     
    It's not what what he intended. If he really believed that Zimmerman should be counted as Hispanic (i.e., a good person) he would have written something like this:

    In 2012, Mr. Hovater was incensed by the media coverage of the Trayvon Martin shooting, believing the story had been distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white (actually Hispanic) man who shot the black teenager.
     
    That way, he could have subtly indicated Hovater's paranoid need to see anti-White bias everywhere...But preserving the narrative about Trayvon's death ("innocent Black youth murdered by racist White man") was obviously more important....

    I agree. Zimmerman’s whiteness is gospel now.

    For laughs, what about (((Zimmerman)))? It does sound Jewish.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  40. @Cagey Beast
    Isn't it funny how often the consumers of media content like the NYT screech "why are you showing me this?? I pay you not to tell me about this sort of thing! Get it out of my sight!".

    Here’s some of the ‘alarmed’ reactions to the original piece.

    Nobody seems happy to meet the The New York Times’ polite Midwestern Nazi

    And what’s up with the section font of the Times Insider? That’s gotta give some hyper-attuned people the heebie-jeebies:

    https://www.nytco.com/introducing-times-insider

    https://www.nytimes.com/section/insider

    The New York Times on blackletter in 1998:

    A Typeface as Symbol of National Pride

    Read More
    • Replies: @Thirdeye
    So much butthurt...........

    IMO the Times article was effective at what it set out to do, to show what led a white liberal to become a white identitarian. The "hate" slam in the headline couldn't cover up the fact that the target isn't a psychopath, but someone who responded uncovering the lies about certain events and the ideologies motivating those lies in a logical way. Not necessarily a correct way, but a logical way. The lesson, for those who choose to heed it, is that white identitarianism is a logical response to nonwhite identitarianism. If a nonwhite identitarian objects, they need to take a hard look in the mirror.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  41. @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    It means Jews benefit from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of “Nazis” and the anti-Semitic far-right benefits from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of Jews
     
    Well, Jews plays a greatly outsized role in many of America's worst problems, yet no one in respectable conservatism will even mention the word Jews in relation to these problems, let alone assign them any blame.

    If they did, maybe right-wingers wouldn't have to talk about it so much.

    Yes that’s right. If people had been able to say on CNN and Fox News what is said here at unz.com, we wouldn’t be in this mess where it takes total outsiders to do it. As it is, they get it wrong at least as often as they get it right.

    Read More
    • Replies: @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    As it is, they get it wrong at least as often as they get it right.
     
    No, they don't. When "far right" types talk about Jewish influence, they're usually right. Certainly far more often than they're wrong.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    The closest thing we have is Tucker Carlson pointing out that "elite" don't particularly care for the American people much, though Tucker is meticulous about avoiding the whole J thing.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  42. @Cagey Beast
    What does that even mean?

    It means Jews benefit from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of "Nazis" and the anti-Semitic far-right benefits from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of Jews.

    Is there a point here except “I feel superior to these two groups of people because I put myself safely in the middle”?

    The point is that both parties will jump down the throat of anyone who tries give, to the best of his abilities, a more accurate picture of Jewish power or the state of the Alt Right, Identitarians or actual neo-Nazis and National Socialists.

    It means Jews benefit from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of “Nazis” and the anti-Semitic far-right benefits from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of Jews.

    Furthermore, the situations are by no means comparable. One side is correct; the other side is completely delusional.

    Jews have a tremendous amount of power in America, and play an enormous role in the media, entertainment, foreign policy, finance, academia, publishing, etc.

    It’s pretty tough to “grossly over-emphasize” the importance of Jews in this country.

    But Nazis have less than zero power in America. They play no role whatsoever in the media, entertainment, foreign policy, finance, academia, publishing, etc.

    Yet Jews are always going on as if every institution in America is run by the Nazi Party.

    Read More
    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Per my previous comment, the left is pushing this idea/narrative that all of American history and all of our defining institutions and the very fabric of our culture are not just based on, but intrinsically white supremacy.

    I mentioned that 20 years ago the boogie man, or ultimate justification for their wrath was The Patriarchy, but I just realized that "white privelege" had about a 5 year run at the top. Now they just gone full bore we have always been Nazis.

    -- jeremiahjohnbalaya
    , @Jack D

    Yet Jews are always going on as if every institution in America is run by the Nazi Party.
     
    I realize you are exaggerating for emphasis but I don't think that is true at all.

    I think what is true is that most Jews would like Nazism in America (everywhere) to be smothered in its cradle, BEFORE it is running every institution (0r even ANY institutions). Once it has gained a foothold it's already too late. You don't wait until the whole building is on fire before you get out the fire extinguisher. This is the big mistake that the US made against Islamism - it should have been killed off when it was still confined to a few crazy preachers, not before it became the ideology of millions. It might seem like overkill to loose the forces of the entire establishment against a pisher like Hovater but it's the right thing to do.

    Those who say that they want an "open and honest discussion of Jewish power in America" or some such are like the Leftists who want to have a "conversation about race". You don't want an honest conversation at all - you want to be able to freely and publicly denounce Jews without consequences to yourself. And once you publicly identify Jews as "a problem" we know that this calls for a solution. Now in the American context the solution is unlikely (I hope and pray) to be violent but it would naturally involve cutting down on "Jewish power" one way or another - those who are calling for "discussion" don't bother to hide this. If what you are saying is true and Jews have "excessive" power in America, then naturally they are not going to surrender this without a fight, nor do they have any obligation to give a "fair hearing" to Nazis in the institutions that they control any more than George Zimmerman should have allowed Trayvon to pound him into unconsciousness.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  43. Art Deco says:
    @Cagey Beast
    No, people like Bill Kristol drag out their Jewishness to explain why they get to rule people like Trump or the Le Pen's out of bounds. All the other mainstream Jews, to a greater or lesser degree, also insist that they have a special sensitivity to Nazism and therefore should be kept around to make sure it doesn't flare up anywhere new. They further insist that anyone who notices the disproportionately Jewish character of an institution are themselves neo-Nazis. Thus Jews need to be kept around as Nazi spotters and anyone who wonders why is himself a Nazi they just spotted, thereby proving their continued necessity.

    I think you’ve confused Kristol with somebody else.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  44. @Cagey Beast
    Yes that's right. If people had been able to say on CNN and Fox News what is said here at unz.com, we wouldn't be in this mess where it takes total outsiders to do it. As it is, they get it wrong at least as often as they get it right.

    As it is, they get it wrong at least as often as they get it right.

    No, they don’t. When “far right” types talk about Jewish influence, they’re usually right. Certainly far more often than they’re wrong.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Unfortunately this issue attracts a lot of people who are simply crazy. If you try to debate (say) lowering the level of U.S. financial support to Israel, the discussion will soon fill with people calling for all Jews to be killed. It's predictable as clockwork.

    The Jewish issue should be discussed in private among trusted parties. Public discussion of the issue will always generate more heat than light.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  45. Abe says: • Website
    @anonmn
    Steve, it's okay to be a heavy metal drummer.

    Steve, it’s okay to be a heavy metal drummer.

    Some of them are quite horrorShow, in fact:

    Read More
    • Replies: @anonymous
    "Heavy Metal Drummer"
    Jeff Tweedy

    I sincerely miss those heavy metal bands
    I used to go see on the landing in the summer
    She fell in love with the drummer
    She fell in love with the drummer
    She fell in love

    Shiny, shiny pants and bleach-blond hair
    A double kick drum by the river in the summer
    She fell in love with the drummer
    Another and another
    She fell in love

    I miss the innocence I've known
    Playing KISS covers, beautiful and stoned

    Unlock my body and move myself to dance
    Moving warm liquid, flowing blowing glass
    Classical music blasting masks the ringing in my ears

    I sincerely miss those heavy metal bands
    I used to go see on the landing in the summer
    She fell in love with the drummer
    She fell in love with another
    She fell in love

    I miss the innocence I've known
    Playing KISS covers, beautiful and stoned
    Playing KISS covers, beautiful and stoned
    Playing KISS covers, beautiful and stoned
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  46. Art Deco says:
    @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    It means Jews benefit from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of “Nazis” and the anti-Semitic far-right benefits from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of Jews
     
    Well, Jews plays a greatly outsized role in many of America's worst problems, yet no one in respectable conservatism will even mention the word Jews in relation to these problems, let alone assign them any blame.

    If they did, maybe right-wingers wouldn't have to talk about it so much.

    Well, Jews plays a greatly outsized role in many of America’s worst problems, yet no one in respectable conservatism will even mention the word Jews in relation to these problems, let alone assign them any blame.

    They don’t mention it because it’s a poisonous fantasy.

    Read More
    • Replies: @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    They don’t mention it because it’s a poisonous fantasy.
     
    Do either of your dads know you're playing on the computer?
    , @Opinionator
    Would a poisonous truth bear mentioning?
    , @silviosilver

    They don’t mention it because it’s a poisonous fantasy.
     
    That white people are all potential nazis and therefore need to be diversified to oblivion is also a poisonous fantasy.

    Unfortunately, it holds sway with the (grossly disproportionately Jewish, just sayin') elites that run America.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  47. @Cagey Beast
    Isn't it funny how often the consumers of media content like the NYT screech "why are you showing me this?? I pay you not to tell me about this sort of thing! Get it out of my sight!".

    For maximum outrage, the NYT should profile these guys:

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  48. @Art Deco
    Well, Jews plays a greatly outsized role in many of America’s worst problems, yet no one in respectable conservatism will even mention the word Jews in relation to these problems, let alone assign them any blame.

    They don't mention it because it's a poisonous fantasy.

    They don’t mention it because it’s a poisonous fantasy.

    Do either of your dads know you’re playing on the computer?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    He died nearly 40 years ago, so, no, he doesn't know I'm using a computer.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  49. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Abe

    Steve, it’s okay to be a heavy metal drummer.
     
    Some of them are quite horrorShow, in fact:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/11/3d/f1/113df1363af25cbc9fa5fcecc59aa413.jpg

    “Heavy Metal Drummer”
    Jeff Tweedy

    I sincerely miss those heavy metal bands
    I used to go see on the landing in the summer
    She fell in love with the drummer
    She fell in love with the drummer
    She fell in love

    Shiny, shiny pants and bleach-blond hair
    A double kick drum by the river in the summer
    She fell in love with the drummer
    Another and another
    She fell in love

    I miss the innocence I’ve known
    Playing KISS covers, beautiful and stoned

    Unlock my body and move myself to dance
    Moving warm liquid, flowing blowing glass
    Classical music blasting masks the ringing in my ears

    I sincerely miss those heavy metal bands
    I used to go see on the landing in the summer
    She fell in love with the drummer
    She fell in love with another
    She fell in love

    I miss the innocence I’ve known
    Playing KISS covers, beautiful and stoned
    Playing KISS covers, beautiful and stoned
    Playing KISS covers, beautiful and stoned

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  50. Hunsdon says:

    Is it now de rigueur to refer to married women by Ms.?

    I realized earlier today that I have been remiss, I could not post a “like” to another comment. I shall attempt to remain au curuant with the posting requirements.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Forbes

    Is it now de rigueur to refer to married women by Ms.?
     
    Have you been asleep for two generations? The only women likely to get a "Mrs." would be 90-year old dowagers.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I realized earlier today that I have been remiss, I could not post a “like” to another comment. I shall attempt to remain au curuant with the posting requirements.
     
    I cannot speak for others, but I know that I have missed you.

    BTW, for me, it has been months of consistent posting, but I still cannot do a damned Agree.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  51. @Anon
    BTW, this article is already being syndicated across Internet news and search sites as "A Nazi Next Door" -- how could anyone avoid clicking? It could be right next door to you! Probably is, in fact, if you have white people nearby. Can't be too careful you know.

    To be on the safe side, you should just punch any white people you see.

    In case this isn't good enough, note that (according to Mediaite anyway) Twitter is in an uproar that the NYT published a "sympathetic" portrayal of a Nazi in an attempt to "normalize" Naziness. No, I'm not making this up.

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/twitter-rips-nyt-for-report-on-the-nazi-sympathizer-next-door-what-the-hell-is-this/

    https://twitter.com/stevesilberman/status/934506105111117824

    "This is part of a disturbing pattern I've noticed in the NYT"

    Steve Silberman saying ““This is part of a disturbing pattern I’ve noticed in the NYT”” is highly disingenuous and intended to mislead.

    The disturbing pattern of covering “Nazis” has been around for decades and is a NYT staple, much as the funny pages are to smaller-town newspapers.

    The NYT will be covering Nazis and the Holocaust for a hundred years after last actual Nazi dies. In the decades that I lived in New York, a story about the Holocaust and its effect on some Jewish family or person, whether directly or indirectly, was practically a daily feature.

    What Silberman is actually saying is that the NYT shouldn’t cover small-town white gentiles, unless there’s a strong Jewish or WWII angle to the story. He wants real Nazis, even as the supply runs out.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  52. @El Dato

    On the phone, Mr. Hovater responded to my question by rattling off names of libertarian academics, making references to sci-fi movies and describing, yet again, his frustration with what he described as the plodding and unjust nature of American democracy. …

    What makes a man start fires?

     

    We just don't know. And, to quote Nietzsche:

    He who interviews nazi drummers should be careful lest he thereby become a nazi drummer.
     
    Plus:

    Notice the New York Times’ current version of The Narrative: “George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager.”
     

    Steve, I do think this is wrong interpretation of a literary tournure de phrase. Re-read the paragraph:

    In 2012, Mr. Hovater was incensed by the media coverage of the Trayvon Martin shooting, believing the story had been distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager.
     
    The sub-sentence "The white man who shot the black teenager" is quite likely meant to be the "distorted story" that Mr. Hovater perceives the media coverage to be. It is not "objective" or stated as a true fact by the writer - it describes Mr. Hovater subjective impression of what the media coverage is.

    Parsing the hidden meaning of “distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager” calls to mind Martin’s woman friend Rachel Jeantel relating her cell-phone conversation with Trayvon Martin describing the man following him as a “creepy ass cracker.”

    The location of the hyphen was never resolved to distinguish whether in Mr. Martin’s mind that Zimmerman, was a white person who held black people in disdain or whether he was eying Martin up for a casual act of sodomy .

    The hyphen, people, we never figured out the location of the hyphen.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    OTOH, when that bloated blob of fat, ghetto attitude, and mental retardation was asked to clarify her remarks and define what she meant by "creepy ass cracker" she responded with one word, "pervert". I am still astounded that Zimmerman's defense attorney did not immediately use this response to create the narrative that Martin attacked Zimmerman because he mistook him for a homosexual on the prowl.
    , @ben tillman

    The hyphen, people, we never figured out the location of the hyphen.
     
    Not this again. Anyone who has spent time with black people knows where the hyphen goes.
    , @guest
    The hyphen belongs between "creepy" and "ass," because "ass" is an intensifier. ""Creepy-ass" means "especially creepy."

    She was also talking about Zimmerman's perceived sexual intentions toward Martin. I believe this is why Martin doubled back and ambushed Zimmerman. The youth considered this older cracker gentleman was a homo who "dissed" him by "creeping on" him from a distance.

    Nevertheless, "ass" didn't indicate Zimmerman's designs on that particular body part. It would have the same meaning had she described him as "hella creepy," or whatever they say.

    , @El Dato
    Hyphen location - serious business!
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  53. @anonguy
    OT, but here is some noticing fodder that I wish one of you guys were perusing:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-argentina-submarine-pioneer/argentinas-first-female-submarine-officer-on-board-missing-vessel-idUSKBN1DK24V

    Sea-Fodder, yeah. See, AnonG, YOU are making the mistake of looking for accountability where there IS none. While someone fucked up in a major way for this sub to be lost, I doubt this one is your sea fodder. Good take, but she was Top Cop aboard that sub, not, I assume from the story, a driver. But you have to admire their gall in the exercise of the Gender Politics, no? That she’s a woman on that sub is clearly more important than the dozens of others, all men who also got croaked, not to mention crashed a national asset, a submarine. What’s the fodder? Iran got one of her subs crushed under an oil tanker last year dickin’ around in the Persian Gulf. The U.S. Navy, speaking of fodder, planes dropping, ships crashing. Trump’s going to get full credit for the genuine, serial fuckups of Obama’s gender and race politics and forced integration of the incompetent into missions that need to be strictly meritorious. 10 years in, how we looking? Women in the military, everything good? Transsexuals and homosexuals working out ok?

    Oh. Wait for it..

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  54. If white murderers don’t appear (and they don’t), American journalists will invent them. The failure of white Americans to be evil infuriates the New York Times. So they do what American journalists do best: they lie.

    I suppose they are simply solving a political-market problem. There is an unmet demand for evil white men. The novelists at the NYT are meeting the demand with fictional characters. Who are we to question them?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    If white murderers don’t appear (and they don’t), American journalists will invent them. The failure of white Americans to be evil infuriates the New York Times. So they do what American journalists do best: they lie.

    I suppose they are simply solving a political-market problem. There is an unmet demand for evil white men. The novelists at the NYT are meeting the demand with fictional characters. Who are we to question them?

     

    As I'm not permitted to vote your remark up, I'll just quote it for truth. And add that the sad part is that about 80% of Americans (and about 99% of the people I know personally) believe every single thing they print as though it were the Word of God.
    , @Hail

    If white murderers don’t appear (and they don’t), American journalists will invent them
     
    "Oh, now, why would they do that? Seems like a crazy waste of energy..."
    , @Forbes
    The NYT has to go hunting for white murderers because whites are extremely peaceful in NYC compared to other ethnics, as the 2% of all gun crimes that whites commit are lost in the 98% committed by blacks and Hispanics. The white needle in a multiculti haystack question is answered by delving into haystacks primarily comprised of whites.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  55. Granted, he’s thoughtful by drummer standards, and hopefully he will move on to more mature ideas.

    As did Karen Carpenter and Phil Collins, both recovered drummers.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anonymous
    But Tipper Gore never recovered. I blame nature.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    As did Karen Carpenter and Phil Collins, both recovered drummers.
     
    I'm not sure about Karen. Maybe it was that idiot real-estate husband she had that drove her to starvation, but maybe it was the drumming.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  56. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Had a convo tonight with family about how the entirety of the American experience is attributed to “white supremecy”. All the foundational attribues used to be “the patriarchy” when I was cutting my teeth in political debates back in the 90s. Now, we’ve really all been Nazis the while time.

    –jeremiahjohnbalaya

    Read More
    • Replies: @syonredux

    Had a convo tonight with family about how the entirety of the American experience is attributed to “white supremecy”.
     
    Wright Bros invent the aeroplane: White supremacy

    Poe invents the detective story: White supremacy

    Claude Shannon invents Information Theory: White supremacy

    Josiah Willard Gibbs develops Statistical Mechanics: White supremacy

    Robert Goddard invents the liquid-fueled rocket: White supremacy

    American history: it's White supremacy all the way down....
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Had a convo tonight with family...
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd5ZLJWQmss
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  57. If I were Mr Hovater, I wouldn’t be giving an interview to a New York Times reporter on my politics.
    Distortion and misrepresentation of my views is all I’m going to get, with no form of redress.
    Would Steve do an interview with a NYT journalist ? I doubt it, though he has much more access to the media to rebut misrepresentation.
    But, there again, neither Mr Sailer nor I have the IQ of a rock drummer.

    Read More
    • Replies: @ben tillman

    But, there again, neither Mr Sailer nor I have the IQ of a rock drummer.
     
    I know two rock drummers. One is a lawyer with a 145 IQ. The other is a wealthy real estate .mogul and also has a 145 IQ. What drummers have in common is not stupidity; it is hearing loss.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  58. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    It means Jews benefit from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of “Nazis” and the anti-Semitic far-right benefits from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of Jews.
     
    Furthermore, the situations are by no means comparable. One side is correct; the other side is completely delusional.

    Jews have a tremendous amount of power in America, and play an enormous role in the media, entertainment, foreign policy, finance, academia, publishing, etc.

    It's pretty tough to "grossly over-emphasize" the importance of Jews in this country.

    But Nazis have less than zero power in America. They play no role whatsoever in the media, entertainment, foreign policy, finance, academia, publishing, etc.

    Yet Jews are always going on as if every institution in America is run by the Nazi Party.

    Per my previous comment, the left is pushing this idea/narrative that all of American history and all of our defining institutions and the very fabric of our culture are not just based on, but intrinsically white supremacy.

    I mentioned that 20 years ago the boogie man, or ultimate justification for their wrath was The Patriarchy, but I just realized that “white privelege” had about a 5 year run at the top. Now they just gone full bore we have always been Nazis.

    – jeremiahjohnbalaya

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  59. @Inquiring MInd
    Parsing the hidden meaning of "distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager" calls to mind Martin's woman friend Rachel Jeantel relating her cell-phone conversation with Trayvon Martin describing the man following him as a "creepy ass cracker."

    The location of the hyphen was never resolved to distinguish whether in Mr. Martin's mind that Zimmerman, was a white person who held black people in disdain or whether he was eying Martin up for a casual act of sodomy .

    The hyphen, people, we never figured out the location of the hyphen.

    OTOH, when that bloated blob of fat, ghetto attitude, and mental retardation was asked to clarify her remarks and define what she meant by “creepy ass cracker” she responded with one word, “pervert”. I am still astounded that Zimmerman’s defense attorney did not immediately use this response to create the narrative that Martin attacked Zimmerman because he mistook him for a homosexual on the prowl.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  60. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    Had a convo tonight with family about how the entirety of the American experience is attributed to "white supremecy". All the foundational attribues used to be "the patriarchy" when I was cutting my teeth in political debates back in the 90s. Now, we've really all been Nazis the while time.

    --jeremiahjohnbalaya

    Had a convo tonight with family about how the entirety of the American experience is attributed to “white supremecy”.

    Wright Bros invent the aeroplane: White supremacy

    Poe invents the detective story: White supremacy

    Claude Shannon invents Information Theory: White supremacy

    Josiah Willard Gibbs develops Statistical Mechanics: White supremacy

    Robert Goddard invents the liquid-fueled rocket: White supremacy

    American history: it’s White supremacy all the way down….

    Read More
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Wright Bros...
    Poe...
    Claude Shannon...
    Josiah Willard Gibbs...
    Robert Goddard...

    American history: it’s White supremacy all the way down…
     
    Don't leave out Roe and Obergefell.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    American history: it’s White supremacy all the way down….
     
    Don't tell the turtles. It would be cultural appropriation.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  61. @anonmn
    Steve, it's okay to be a heavy metal drummer.

    Yes. Yes it is okay to be bues/jazz drummer.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  62. Yak-15 says:
    @Cagey Beast
    The Jewish establishment and their Gentile colleagues clearly have a symbiotic relationship with the anti-Semitic Far Right. They need each other, define themselves in opposition to the other and justify the need for their continued funding based on the existence of the other. Both agree the Jews are at the centre of things and the world cannot make sense without seeing it from a Jewish-centred point of view. It's no wonder they can't stop talking about each other.

    100% spot on accurate

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  63. @Steve Sailer
    If that is what the reporter murkily intended, shouldn't an editor or fact-checker have asked him to make it more clear?

    Is Mr. Hovater actually a ‘Nazi sympathizer’, or is that the witless gloss of the cretin ‘reporter’?

    Maybe he decided to pretend to be one to sneak a bunch of other ideas into the NYT?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  64. Hail says: • Website
    @Forbes
    I'm repeating myself, but Saul Steinberg's NewYorker cover from 1976, "The View From 9th Avenue" is ever more prescient.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Steinberg_New_Yorker_Cover.png

    Great visual metaphor….But my impression is that the New York Elite was mainly indifferent to Middle America in the 1970s, or maybe quietly hostile. Not overtly hostile and hate-crazed in the vein of their anti-Ferguson campaign in this decade, to name the most egregious example.

    Maybe I am wrong. In 1976, did “the media” do anything like this, choose specific ‘White Flyover losers’ to bash, to lie about n the most disgraceful fashion, to direct campaigns of hatred against? I don’t think Cronkite-era media really did this. (Possibly against Southerners; but that was more a ’50s-’60s thing and even that doesn’t approach 2010s-levels of hysteria.)

    1976 was, of course, the year of Jimmy Carter (D – Georgia Peanut-Farmer; suspiciously soft on the need to suppress the Palestinians; great-grandfather a bonafide CSA Army veteran) vs. Gerald Ford (R – Nebraska-born Eagle Scout; suspiciously blond; surname shared with famous anti-Semite).

    Neither Carter nor Ford were demonized in the way any similar figure would be today.

    A ‘Jimmy Carter’ today would be mercilessly attacked for softness on the Confederate Flag Question, would no doubt be “Roy Moore’d” in multiple ways; I am sure CNN-thugs would dig up ‘stories’ of racist associates back in Georgia and impugn Carter and demand he drop out. (Note: Acc. to the exit poll, Carter won the Jewish vote 2-1 in November.)

    Read More
    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    Neither Carter nor Ford were demonized in the way any similar figure would be today.

    A ‘Jimmy Carter’ today would be mercilessly attacked for softness on the Confederate Flag Question, would no doubt be “Roy Moore’d” in multiple ways;
     

    Carter would have much bigger problems today than being soft on the Confederate flag. He was a Sunday School teacher at Plains Baptist Church, whose constitution explicitly barred blacks from attending or joining. This was widely reported on, and Carter's response was that he personally disagreed with barring blacks from the church. But he didn't quit the church, let alone condemn it.

    Forty years ago, teaching Sunday School at an openly racist church wasn't a dealbreaker for most white voters. It wasn't considered a big deal, as most whites attended churches that were all white, and they liked it that way. They didn't wish blacks any harm, but they wanted nothing to do with them in their personal lives.

    The last week of the 1976 campaign, a black preacher (who'd spend time in prison for not paying child support) announced that he would be at Plains Baptist Church on the Sunday two days before the election and demand to be let in. In response, the church simply called off services that day and padlocked the church. This was, again, widely reported, and Carter still won.

    Try to imagine that happening today.

    , @Art Deco
    See Macon County Line. The sinister and violent small town or rural district was a recurring theme of mass entertainment of that era. Not an omnipresent theme, but common enough that I can recall my mother rolling her eyes when it appeared in a made-for-television film.

    See also "The Night When the Lights Went Out in Georgia". It was a big hit for Vicki Lawrence. The chance to record the song was originally offered to Cher; Sonny Bono vetoed the project, saying if she recorded that song the two of them would lose their Southern audience. Carol Burnett didn't lose her Southern viewers over it.
    , @Forbes
    I think that's true--elites as indifferent then. The illustration clearly implies indifference, in fact, a lack of interest to parts west--to flyover country. And not unlike maps from antiquity that noted "dragons be here" on the outer reaches beyond the known and explored world. The NYT explores this flyover exotica as if a 15th/16th c. sea-faring expedition to parts unknown. Though the anecdotes collected are collected to serve The Narrative. And just as often as people are reminded, they mostly never absorb the concept that the plural of anecdote is not data.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  65. @Anonymous
    Had a convo tonight with family about how the entirety of the American experience is attributed to "white supremecy". All the foundational attribues used to be "the patriarchy" when I was cutting my teeth in political debates back in the 90s. Now, we've really all been Nazis the while time.

    --jeremiahjohnbalaya

    Had a convo tonight with family…

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  66. Whiskey says: • Website

    Some random thoughts, what does the NYT reporters, editors, and readers propose to do with ordinary White Americans. If everything, and I mean everything, from Thanksgiving to Columbus Day to George Washington is Nazi and therefore worthy of extermination, then logically the coalition of the Ascendant: Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Gays, and Nice White Ladies have to get together and exterminate all White men. Including Jerry Seinfeld, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg (OK I’ll give them that one), and Henry Cavill.

    What really, do they propose to do about White men? Sneer some more at them? Call them names. Guys like Richard Spencer LOVE this stuff. Spencer could not get elected Dog Catcher in Ike’s America, with Whites at 89%, Blacks at 10%, and everyone else at 1%. Now? He’s looking good as the new White Al Sharpton cum Louis Farrakhan. There’s a lot of money and power there for the “leader” of the White People’s League when Whites face official and governmental discrimination. I expect a Night of the Long Knives soon as the money and power and fame draws in competing candidates to be the new leader to “protect” (read: fleece) people the way Rev. Wright paid for his home on a golf course. At any rate, logically the purges of White men will only make a dude like Spencer or whoever wins the power struggle their the leader of essentially White Zionists in what will resemble Palestine in 1939.

    As for Jews, yes they are over-represented in banking, entertainment, the law. They are under-represented in extraction industries, engineering, the sciences, and particularly: Law Enforcement and the Military. Quick, name five famous Jewish Police or Military public figures active NOW. Charlie Beck, William Bratton, Jim Mattis, Gen. Kelly, Jeff Sessions, are all not Jewish. Jews if anything act HOSTILE TO JEWISH INTERESTS by importing Muslims. This makes perfect sense however if you see them as logs bobbing about aimlessly in river current of virtue signaling and female run societies based on feelz and the need for Fifty Shades of Grey Domination and disgust over White men being too beta male.

    Thought experiement: What would a real Jewish conspiracy look like? No populations hostile to Jews in places like the US, and Europe, nice places to live. Jews forming the overwhelming majority of police and military leaders and personnel, and active conversion of Gentiles to Jews to provide numbers with a core of “inner Jews” running the real power centers. Historically, this is how the Roman, Alexandrian/Hellenistic, Persian, Hittite, and Mongol Empires ran and there is no reason to depend on fantastical arguments about how Jews “really” benefit from being chased into crowded Israel dependent on a rapidly Islamifying US and Europe for aid and defense. Meanwhile ignoring the very real primal screams by women on how they want Domination! Dambit! Now! or else.

    Look at Soros. He’s nothing but a glorified Mafia bust-out goon. He’s proud of aiding the Gestapo in hunting down Jews as a teen, for money, and has used the model ever since. He funds NGOs that destablize governments so he can get Western militaries to intervene, pick up national assets for cheap, and sell them quickly for a profit. Its a bust-out model, one currently aimed at Israel to get control of the national gas and oil fields. Soros is a man with no loyalty to anyone, save fellow bust-out criminals on a global scale who see themselves as natural aristocratic rulers.

    Zuck, Soros, Gates, the Koch Brothers, Carlos Slim, Xi Xinping, they all see themselves as global rulers and have closer ties to their inter-related criminal activities of one sort or another than fellow countrymen. Think Slim cares about Mexico or Mexicans? About as much as Zuck does about you — and THAT is the real issue.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  67. @syonredux

    Had a convo tonight with family about how the entirety of the American experience is attributed to “white supremecy”.
     
    Wright Bros invent the aeroplane: White supremacy

    Poe invents the detective story: White supremacy

    Claude Shannon invents Information Theory: White supremacy

    Josiah Willard Gibbs develops Statistical Mechanics: White supremacy

    Robert Goddard invents the liquid-fueled rocket: White supremacy

    American history: it's White supremacy all the way down....

    Wright Bros…
    Poe…
    Claude Shannon…
    Josiah Willard Gibbs…
    Robert Goddard…

    American history: it’s White supremacy all the way down…

    Don’t leave out Roe and Obergefell.

    Read More
    • Replies: @syonredux

    Wright Bros…
    Poe…
    Claude Shannon…
    Josiah Willard Gibbs…
    Robert Goddard…

    American history: it’s White supremacy all the way down…

    Don’t leave out Roe and Obergefell.
     
    Since those two are WOKE, they are, by definition, anti-White supremacy.....
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  68. @kihowi

    Hovater found herself on social media “questioning the official story,”
     
    I like unnecessary scare-quotes because of how revealing they are.

    Quotes are there for quotations. But this is not a quotation.


    found herself on social media questioning the official story
     
    is how you would write that normally.

    Another use for quotes is to indicate some odd, idiosyncratic phrase or neologism that would look strange if it was just printed like any other word. They mean "I have no idea what this means either, reader, but they said it so I gotta report it".


    these young people with long unkempt hair tell me they listen to "rock and roll music", smoke something called "grass" and refer to that experience as "far out"
     
    The phrase "questioning the official story" is in quotes because to journalism types it's a weird, alien phrase. Questioning itself is bad enough, but the idea that the official story is just a story belongs in The Man Who Mistook His Wife For a Hat.

    The use of quotes, as you describe, Kilhowi, is kind of interesting. It it the writer’s way of stating whether the term in quotes is supposed to be “normal” or not (ha, there’s those quotes again – I meant normal in the writer’s eyes.) I came upon the “in his words” thing, combined with quotes, that also push an opinion into the story.

    I saw this before in this article by Brenda Walker on VDare (writes about the human side of the immigration invasion mostly) a good while back. She added something from the San Francisco ABC station:

    SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) — President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday seeking to end sanctuary cities, that, in his words, “harbor illegal immigrants.”

    Peak Stupidity said:

    Think about it “… sanctuary cities, that, in his words, ‘harbor illegal immigrants’”. WTF does the “in his words” mean here? That’d be like my calculus teacher saying: “Newton performed an integration on this function, that, in his words, used differential elements to obtain the area under the curve”. It’s the definition, just like “a place where they are harboring illegal aliens” is the definition of “sanctuary city”.

    This could be fun. Future headlines to look for from the lying press:

    North Korean strongman Mr Kim Ill Kimson threatened today to blow the livin crap outta Washington, FS with a thermonuclear weapon that would, in his words “use a nuclear fission reaction to compress and initiate a secondary nuclear fusion reaction of a hydrogen isotope”.

    A Boeing Company’s commercial aircraft division spokesman announced that the new 797 will undergo it’s first test flight tomorrow that would, in his words, “use Bernoulli’s principle to create a low pressure region on the top of it’s wings to cause lift and cause the long-delayed airplane to leave the surly bonds of earth and, like, fly.”

    JLo tweeted this morning that she didn’t like rap music that in her words “doesn’t have any melody and is just a bunch of yelling thugs”.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Forbes

    SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) — President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday seeking to end sanctuary cities, that, in his words, “harbor illegal immigrants.”
     
    There's another way of looking at that construction. The use of the phrasing: "that, in his words," usually indicates what's to follow is a paraphrase, not a quotation--otherwise, an actual quote would be used. Additionally, since most media refuse to use the term "illegal immigrants," the implication is that irony quotes are in use with "harbor illegal immigrants," as the concept of harboring illegal immigrants doesn't exist (in media's view).

    Media spends an inordinate amount of time (irony quotes) "correcting" Trump as he veers off The Narrative, so they must re-impose The Narrative at every chance.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  69. wren says:
    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Sarah's trying so hard to seem reasonable just now, I can't believe how few people can see through it.

    Similarly, when my shrieking, panicking friends and family go on about how Trump has ruined America, I ask them for concrete examples. They fall back upon "It's the tone he's set" as though that makes all the difference.

    But then it's also true that he's been strangling thousands of LBGTxETC POC Immigrants with his bare hands on the White House Lawn every afternoon for a year now, and the MSM hardly even reports it, because as we all know the MSM is owned by Corporate Republicans.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  70. @D. K.
    As a retired attorney, with a B.A. in English (and History), who earned an A in News Writing & Editing, over forty years ago, as a Communications minor, and was personally asked by his professor to write for the student newspaper, for which he was the faculty advisor, there is no way that I would interpret that closing descriptive clause as being intended merely to imply the false narrative of 2012, to which the subject of this current news story reacted negatively, by shifting his ideological compass rightward.

    As a non-retired, non-attorney, with degrees in fields other than English or any of the humanities, which I obtained in order to get a real job, previous thereto during which I spent a small amount of time writing letters to the editor of our newspaper subsequent to being told by my lab instructor to never apply to a newspaper, I have found that the lack of experience at exhibit A, said newspaper for which I was hitherfore not employed at, my ability to avoid the run-on sentence has not been sufficiently inhibited.

    Ipso facto, yes, you are absolutely right.

    ;-} To paraphrase my favorite youtube commenter: I own nothing, please don’t sue me!

    Read More
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    LOL!
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  71. Harold says:

    This reminds me: reading an okay article last month at National Review by Andrew C. McCarthy about the Uranium One deals, I learnt that Russia invaded Georgia (because Russian).

    Naïvely viewing Russia as a “strategic partner” rather than a malevolent competitor, the Bush administration made a nuclear-cooperation agreement with the Kremlin in May 2008. That blunder, however, was tabled before Congress could consider it. That is because Russia, being Russia, invaded Georgia.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452972/uranium-one-deal-obama-administration-doj-hillary-clinton-racketeering

    (emphasis mine)

    Read More
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Obama said the same thing in his exit interview with Jeffrey Goldberg.
    , @Art Deco
    Have you had a look at the remarks of some of the characters who frequent Mr. Karlin's comboxes? There actually is a strand of opinion among Russian nationalists which self-medicates with narratives of contempt which, in turn, provide apologetics for conquering or mistreating neighboring countries. (The Ukraine and the Baltic states in particular). (No clue how common this is in Russia).

    Cannot help but note that there used to be over 200,000 Georgians in Abkhazia and now there are fewer than 50,000. Don't think the Abhkaz militias could have accomplished that without some help from the big bear. In other news in the Caucasus, Grozny was pretty much a parking lot when the Russian military got done with it. Nothing remotely like that happened in Ossetia, but the general point (that Russia can be right ugly in the Caucasus when it suits them) is true.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  72. Hail says: • Website
    @Cagey Beast
    Wise up guys, Whites = racist:

    https://twitter.com/shane_bauer/status/934531130954539009

    This Shane Bauer turns out to be one of three non-Iranians with connections to the USA held captive in Iran in 2009-2011.

    So what’s his motivation?

    Multiple choice:
    (A) Second-rate anti-White agitator of non-European-Christian origin, or
    (B) White Ethnomasochist

    Looking into his story, it turns out to be (B).

    Shane Bauer (born 1980 or ’81) is a gentile according to Israeli media (in many pics he does look Jewish; are there actually Jews named Bauer [farmer]?). He was arrested for trespassing, illegal entry, and espionage in Iran in July 2009 with one companion of apparent American origin (a far-left radical, Sarah Shourd, born circa 1977; now married to Bauer) and a mysterious figure of Iraqi-Jewish origin. Bauer grew up in Onamia, Mille Lacs County, Minnesota. The county population in 2000 was 0.27% African American and 0.96% Hispanic…

    Read More
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    I went to yeshiva with a guy named Bauer, so yes there are Jewish Bauers.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    I've been assuming he's jewish. Non-jewish leftist whites may hate white people but they still know that they themselves are white. Jews, at least the less cautious ones, hate white people with that palpable, visceral, ancestral hate that one only has toward "the other," which is what we are to them.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  73. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bro Methylene
    If white murderers don't appear (and they don't), American journalists will invent them. The failure of white Americans to be evil infuriates the New York Times. So they do what American journalists do best: they lie.

    I suppose they are simply solving a political-market problem. There is an unmet demand for evil white men. The novelists at the NYT are meeting the demand with fictional characters. Who are we to question them?

    If white murderers don’t appear (and they don’t), American journalists will invent them. The failure of white Americans to be evil infuriates the New York Times. So they do what American journalists do best: they lie.

    I suppose they are simply solving a political-market problem. There is an unmet demand for evil white men. The novelists at the NYT are meeting the demand with fictional characters. Who are we to question them?

    As I’m not permitted to vote your remark up, I’ll just quote it for truth. And add that the sad part is that about 80% of Americans (and about 99% of the people I know personally) believe every single thing they print as though it were the Word of God.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  74. @Cagey Beast
    What does that even mean?

    It means Jews benefit from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of "Nazis" and the anti-Semitic far-right benefits from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of Jews.

    Is there a point here except “I feel superior to these two groups of people because I put myself safely in the middle”?

    The point is that both parties will jump down the throat of anyone who tries give, to the best of his abilities, a more accurate picture of Jewish power or the state of the Alt Right, Identitarians or actual neo-Nazis and National Socialists.

    I have noticed that in the shadow-lands which form the border between Alt Left and Alt Right there are more than a few acres of common ground, and one of them is an overwhelming (my opinion, I could be biased here) obsession with Jews.

    Personally, I think it is healthier to develop a cynicism toward mass media in general and an awareness of what narrative is being pushed, and why.

    For example, the cognitive dissonance between the picture of Zimmerman on the TV screen and the anchor’s voice identifying him as a ‘white neighborhood watchman’ should have produced enough cognitive dissonance to make the entire viewing audience reel from end-stage vertigo, but it didn’t. In fact I remember thinking, Oh, everyone is trying to rush the story to be the first to air it, and they made a mistake about his race. Ooops .’

    BTW, I remember kids in school talking about what they wanted to be when they grew up. I wanted to be a trapeze artist. Others wanted to be detectives, firemen, nurses, actresses, famous writers, rock stars, and baseball players. I don’t remember ANYBODY saying that they wanted to be a Hollywood agent or a producer.

    Let’s face it, those professions form the power base of some big movers and shakers, but we don’t have to buy what they’re selling. And judging by the results of our last election, a lot of people no longer do.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  75. @Harold
    This reminds me: reading an okay article last month at National Review by Andrew C. McCarthy about the Uranium One deals, I learnt that Russia invaded Georgia (because Russian).

    Naïvely viewing Russia as a “strategic partner” rather than a malevolent competitor, the Bush administration made a nuclear-cooperation agreement with the Kremlin in May 2008. That blunder, however, was tabled before Congress could consider it. That is because Russia, being Russia, invaded Georgia.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452972/uranium-one-deal-obama-administration-doj-hillary-clinton-racketeering
     

    (emphasis mine)

    Obama said the same thing in his exit interview with Jeffrey Goldberg.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  76. @Forbes
    I'm repeating myself, but Saul Steinberg's NewYorker cover from 1976, "The View From 9th Avenue" is ever more prescient.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Steinberg_New_Yorker_Cover.png

    I’m repeating myself, but Saul Steinberg’s NewYorker cover from 1976, “The View From 9th Avenue” is ever more prescient.

    It’s not prescient. It’s enduring.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Forbes
    Thank you, but I'll stick with my own words. Prescient is apt as I meant it.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  77. @El Dato

    On the phone, Mr. Hovater responded to my question by rattling off names of libertarian academics, making references to sci-fi movies and describing, yet again, his frustration with what he described as the plodding and unjust nature of American democracy. …

    What makes a man start fires?

     

    We just don't know. And, to quote Nietzsche:

    He who interviews nazi drummers should be careful lest he thereby become a nazi drummer.
     
    Plus:

    Notice the New York Times’ current version of The Narrative: “George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager.”
     

    Steve, I do think this is wrong interpretation of a literary tournure de phrase. Re-read the paragraph:

    In 2012, Mr. Hovater was incensed by the media coverage of the Trayvon Martin shooting, believing the story had been distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager.
     
    The sub-sentence "The white man who shot the black teenager" is quite likely meant to be the "distorted story" that Mr. Hovater perceives the media coverage to be. It is not "objective" or stated as a true fact by the writer - it describes Mr. Hovater subjective impression of what the media coverage is.

    That’s not how our language works. It cannot be read that way.

    Read More
    • Replies: @englishmike

    That’s not how our language works. It cannot be read that way.
     
    A language works in lots of ways, which will vary according to the user. The sentence can be read in the way that El Dato suggests. Whether it should be read in that way partly depends upon context and the perceived intentions of the writer.

    If I had written the same sentence I would have used quotation marks around "the white man who shot the black teenager" to make the tone and intention clearer.

    If one imagines the same sentence being composed by Steve Sailer, as part of one of his blog pieces, how many people here would doubt that he was being subtly ironic in conveying the meaning that El Dato describes. And he could do so without quotation marks to signpost his intention.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  78. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @wren
    Maybe Mr. Hovater and Sarah Silverman could be a thing.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/361333-sarah-silverman-i-talked-to-trump-voters-i-fell-in-love-with

    Sarah’s trying so hard to seem reasonable just now, I can’t believe how few people can see through it.

    Similarly, when my shrieking, panicking friends and family go on about how Trump has ruined America, I ask them for concrete examples. They fall back upon “It’s the tone he’s set” as though that makes all the difference.

    But then it’s also true that he’s been strangling thousands of LBGTxETC POC Immigrants with his bare hands on the White House Lawn every afternoon for a year now, and the MSM hardly even reports it, because as we all know the MSM is owned by Corporate Republicans.

    Read More
    • LOL: el topo
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  79. @Inquiring MInd
    Parsing the hidden meaning of "distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager" calls to mind Martin's woman friend Rachel Jeantel relating her cell-phone conversation with Trayvon Martin describing the man following him as a "creepy ass cracker."

    The location of the hyphen was never resolved to distinguish whether in Mr. Martin's mind that Zimmerman, was a white person who held black people in disdain or whether he was eying Martin up for a casual act of sodomy .

    The hyphen, people, we never figured out the location of the hyphen.

    The hyphen, people, we never figured out the location of the hyphen.

    Not this again. Anyone who has spent time with black people knows where the hyphen goes.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  80. guest says:

    I, too, was partly radicalized in the issue of race by Trayvon-mania. The Narrative was so blatant and in-your-face that it “incensed” me. Which prepared me for reading Jared Taylor’s White Identity,which “woke” me to Race Realism. Good going, Narrative. That’s how you lost me.

    (Admittedly, I was already racist by then-Current Year standards, and I had already drifted through the conservative, libertarian, anti-war, and paleoconservative movements. So I wasn’t a badthink virgin.)

    Read More
    • Replies: @anon
    I, too, was partly radicalized in the issue of race by Trayvon-mania. The Narrative was so blatant and in-your-face that it “incensed” me.

    The Narrative was a big part of it, but don't disregard the reaction from the black community.

    By the time the photos of the back of Zimmerman's head came out, it was basically an open-and-shut case. But I literally didn't encounter a single black person who could understand that. It really wasn't that complicated, but every black person you talked to had some kind of argument about how, basically, if a white guy gets out of his car, black people are allowed to beat him to death, and the white guy just has to let himself get killed.

    It didn't really matter how smart they seemed. They all believed some variation of that. I don't know of a single exception.

    It was an eye-opener for a lot of people.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Admittedly, I was already racist by then-Current Year standards
     
    You are behind the times. If you are not a PoC, you are racist. Maybe if you are a non-PoC LBQTqwerty you might not be, but the jury is still out.

    You don't have to be woke to be condemned.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  81. Hail says: • Website
    @Bro Methylene
    If white murderers don't appear (and they don't), American journalists will invent them. The failure of white Americans to be evil infuriates the New York Times. So they do what American journalists do best: they lie.

    I suppose they are simply solving a political-market problem. There is an unmet demand for evil white men. The novelists at the NYT are meeting the demand with fictional characters. Who are we to question them?

    If white murderers don’t appear (and they don’t), American journalists will invent them

    “Oh, now, why would they do that? Seems like a crazy waste of energy…”

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  82. @Verymuchalive
    If I were Mr Hovater, I wouldn't be giving an interview to a New York Times reporter on my politics.
    Distortion and misrepresentation of my views is all I'm going to get, with no form of redress.
    Would Steve do an interview with a NYT journalist ? I doubt it, though he has much more access to the media to rebut misrepresentation.
    But, there again, neither Mr Sailer nor I have the IQ of a rock drummer.

    But, there again, neither Mr Sailer nor I have the IQ of a rock drummer.

    I know two rock drummers. One is a lawyer with a 145 IQ. The other is a wealthy real estate .mogul and also has a 145 IQ. What drummers have in common is not stupidity; it is hearing loss.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Professor Bill Martin at Rice U. was friends with Frank Beard, the guy without the beard in ZZ Top.

    A historian friend of mine was the son of a famous jazz drummer.

    , @Benjaminl
    Sorry to go off-topic, but how do you know their IQs? Not doubting you, I've just wondered for a while about how you estimate IQs without looking at IQ test results.

    For example, can anyone estimate the IQs of people such as Samuel Huntington, Charles Murray, Greg Cochran, Barack Obama, Steven Pinker, John Derbyshire, Amy Wax, etc. Just something I'm curious about.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  83. guest says:
    @Inquiring MInd
    Parsing the hidden meaning of "distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager" calls to mind Martin's woman friend Rachel Jeantel relating her cell-phone conversation with Trayvon Martin describing the man following him as a "creepy ass cracker."

    The location of the hyphen was never resolved to distinguish whether in Mr. Martin's mind that Zimmerman, was a white person who held black people in disdain or whether he was eying Martin up for a casual act of sodomy .

    The hyphen, people, we never figured out the location of the hyphen.

    The hyphen belongs between “creepy” and “ass,” because “ass” is an intensifier. “”Creepy-ass” means “especially creepy.”

    She was also talking about Zimmerman’s perceived sexual intentions toward Martin. I believe this is why Martin doubled back and ambushed Zimmerman. The youth considered this older cracker gentleman was a homo who “dissed” him by “creeping on” him from a distance.

    Nevertheless, “ass” didn’t indicate Zimmerman’s designs on that particular body part. It would have the same meaning had she described him as “hella creepy,” or whatever they say.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    ”Creepy-ass” means “especially creepy.”

    No it doesn't. It mainly operates to make the expression more derogatory.
    , @syonredux

    The hyphen belongs between “creepy” and “ass,” because “ass” is an intensifier. “”Creepy-ass” means “especially creepy.”
     
    The eternal question:" creepy-ass cracker," or "creepy ass-cracker."

    "Creepy-ass"= really creepy cracker

    "Creepy ass-cracker": creepy gay guy

    "Creepy ass-cracker" would tend to support the idea that the sainted Trayvon was engaging in some gay bashing before he was shot....

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  84. syonredux says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Wright Bros...
    Poe...
    Claude Shannon...
    Josiah Willard Gibbs...
    Robert Goddard...

    American history: it’s White supremacy all the way down…
     
    Don't leave out Roe and Obergefell.

    Wright Bros…
    Poe…
    Claude Shannon…
    Josiah Willard Gibbs…
    Robert Goddard…

    American history: it’s White supremacy all the way down…

    Don’t leave out Roe and Obergefell.

    Since those two are WOKE, they are, by definition, anti-White supremacy…..

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  85. @ben tillman

    But, there again, neither Mr Sailer nor I have the IQ of a rock drummer.
     
    I know two rock drummers. One is a lawyer with a 145 IQ. The other is a wealthy real estate .mogul and also has a 145 IQ. What drummers have in common is not stupidity; it is hearing loss.

    Professor Bill Martin at Rice U. was friends with Frank Beard, the guy without the beard in ZZ Top.

    A historian friend of mine was the son of a famous jazz drummer.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Okay, so what is their IQ?
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  86. El Dato says:
    @Inquiring MInd
    Parsing the hidden meaning of "distorted to make a villain of George Zimmerman, the white man who shot the black teenager" calls to mind Martin's woman friend Rachel Jeantel relating her cell-phone conversation with Trayvon Martin describing the man following him as a "creepy ass cracker."

    The location of the hyphen was never resolved to distinguish whether in Mr. Martin's mind that Zimmerman, was a white person who held black people in disdain or whether he was eying Martin up for a casual act of sodomy .

    The hyphen, people, we never figured out the location of the hyphen.

    Hyphen location – serious business!

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  87. eah says:

    Why did this man…gravitate toward the furthest extremes of American political discourse?

    Yes, why oh why?! — “LOL”

    Dying at mentally-ill shitlibs implying that the New York Times is full of crypto-Nazis.

    Read More
    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/mikeenochsback/status/934604170035847168
    , @Forbes
    Apparently Nate Silver's post-election paranoia that he didn't understand Trump's America has led him to think that the NYT is publishing a deeply sympathetic portrait of a white supremacist.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  88. @Art Deco
    Is Mr. Hovater actually a 'Nazi sympathizer', or is that the witless gloss of the cretin 'reporter'?

    ==

    I had discussions in fora like this with opinionated partisan Democrats in 2013. Their conception of Zimmerman is, I think, derived from their default states. The media stirs up trouble, but the media is throwing its weight against a door ajar. The real George Zimmerman was the middle child of an athletic coach and an Army Sergeant-Major, grew up various places with the longest stint in Prince William County, Va., was employed in an insurance office and married to a cosmetologist, lived in a low-rent suburb of Orlando in a townhouse development where resided (among others) Tracy Martin's baby-mamma, and was a registered Democrat. His family background was somewhat exotic (maternal side relatives Peruvian pardos) and his residences over the years more metropolitan-urban than most. These data aside, he was an American everyman. He was by default somewhat adipose and unaggressive (a man he was taking self-defense lessons from in 2011 said GZ was starting from zero) and also guileless (freely talking to law enforcement without an attorney present). This was the man out of which the progtrash mind manufactured a villain.

    Not a bad comment.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  89. eah says:
    @eah
    Why did this man...gravitate toward the furthest extremes of American political discourse?

    Yes, why oh why?! -- "LOL"

    Dying at mentally-ill shitlibs implying that the New York Times is full of crypto-Nazis.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPhMM7IW0AAaOlZ.jpg

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  90. @Art Deco
    Well, Jews plays a greatly outsized role in many of America’s worst problems, yet no one in respectable conservatism will even mention the word Jews in relation to these problems, let alone assign them any blame.

    They don't mention it because it's a poisonous fantasy.

    Would a poisonous truth bear mentioning?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  91. @guest
    The hyphen belongs between "creepy" and "ass," because "ass" is an intensifier. ""Creepy-ass" means "especially creepy."

    She was also talking about Zimmerman's perceived sexual intentions toward Martin. I believe this is why Martin doubled back and ambushed Zimmerman. The youth considered this older cracker gentleman was a homo who "dissed" him by "creeping on" him from a distance.

    Nevertheless, "ass" didn't indicate Zimmerman's designs on that particular body part. It would have the same meaning had she described him as "hella creepy," or whatever they say.

    ”Creepy-ass” means “especially creepy.”

    No it doesn’t. It mainly operates to make the expression more derogatory.

    Read More
    • Replies: @guest
    "Creepy" is already derogatory, so of course saying someone's more creepy than merely creepy would be derogatory, too.

    However, the way "ass" is used here wouldn't be derogatory if it weren't attached to "creepy." People in Rachel Jeantel's world say things like "that's a fine-ass car" or "she's a hot-ass female" (often followed by Nome Sane). In such cases, "ass" is complementary.

    It's a neutral word used for emphasis, attachable to virtually any modifier you may want to use. For instance, "Plato is a profound-ass philosopher." Or, "Beethoven's 9th is a transcendent-ass masterpiece."

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  92. @Art Deco
    Well, Jews plays a greatly outsized role in many of America’s worst problems, yet no one in respectable conservatism will even mention the word Jews in relation to these problems, let alone assign them any blame.

    They don't mention it because it's a poisonous fantasy.

    They don’t mention it because it’s a poisonous fantasy.

    That white people are all potential nazis and therefore need to be diversified to oblivion is also a poisonous fantasy.

    Unfortunately, it holds sway with the (grossly disproportionately Jewish, just sayin’) elites that run America.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  93. eah says:

    …the plodding and unjust nature of American democracy.

    ‘Democracy is the noose that will be used to hang the white man.’

    Southern California Woman Obtains US Citizenship Despite No Ability to Read, Write, Speak English

    New US citizens take oath at Maranacook Community Middle School

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  94. @Hail
    This Shane Bauer turns out to be one of three non-Iranians with connections to the USA held captive in Iran in 2009-2011.

    So what's his motivation?

    Multiple choice:
    (A) Second-rate anti-White agitator of non-European-Christian origin, or
    (B) White Ethnomasochist

    Looking into his story, it turns out to be (B).

    Shane Bauer (born 1980 or '81) is a gentile according to Israeli media (in many pics he does look Jewish; are there actually Jews named Bauer [farmer]?). He was arrested for trespassing, illegal entry, and espionage in Iran in July 2009 with one companion of apparent American origin (a far-left radical, Sarah Shourd, born circa 1977; now married to Bauer) and a mysterious figure of Iraqi-Jewish origin. Bauer grew up in Onamia, Mille Lacs County, Minnesota. The county population in 2000 was 0.27% African American and 0.96% Hispanic...

    I went to yeshiva with a guy named Bauer, so yes there are Jewish Bauers.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I went to yeshiva with a guy named Bauer, so yes there are Jewish Bauers.
     
    Yes, but do any of them farm?
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  95. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @guest
    I, too, was partly radicalized in the issue of race by Trayvon-mania. The Narrative was so blatant and in-your-face that it "incensed" me. Which prepared me for reading Jared Taylor's White Identity,which "woke" me to Race Realism. Good going, Narrative. That's how you lost me.

    (Admittedly, I was already racist by then-Current Year standards, and I had already drifted through the conservative, libertarian, anti-war, and paleoconservative movements. So I wasn't a badthink virgin.)

    I, too, was partly radicalized in the issue of race by Trayvon-mania. The Narrative was so blatant and in-your-face that it “incensed” me.

    The Narrative was a big part of it, but don’t disregard the reaction from the black community.

    By the time the photos of the back of Zimmerman’s head came out, it was basically an open-and-shut case. But I literally didn’t encounter a single black person who could understand that. It really wasn’t that complicated, but every black person you talked to had some kind of argument about how, basically, if a white guy gets out of his car, black people are allowed to beat him to death, and the white guy just has to let himself get killed.

    It didn’t really matter how smart they seemed. They all believed some variation of that. I don’t know of a single exception.

    It was an eye-opener for a lot of people.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    basically, if a white guy gets out of his car, black people are allowed to beat him to death, and the white guy just has to let himself get killed.

    I discovered that viewpoint in fora like this as well. Interestingly enough, the one identifiable black man in the discussion did not push that view. It was white progtrash pushing that view (without quite realizing what it was they were actually advocating). A less partisan viewpoint maintains that lethal self-defense is illegitimate, so Zimmerman was just wrong; I've heard that from peace-church types.
    , @Inquiring MInd
    Every white person I talked to on this topic was of the opinion that in getting out of the car, a legally defined "reasonable person" has the expectation of having one's head bounced against the cement. Furthermore, the only possible, conceivable reason for leaving the car while carrying a concealed firearm was to have one's head bashed in order to have an excuse to shoot someone dead.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    An earlier eye-opener for whites with eyes to see was the reaction of black audiences to the O.J. Simpson verdict. It was beyond "relief for the acquittal of a falsely-accused defendant," and much more a celebration of a Negro who killed two white people and got away with it.

    And there's some kind of a monument in Ferguson, Missouri to Michael "hands up, don't shoot," Brown. It's almost impossible to reason with Negroes.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  96. guest says:
    @Opinionator
    ”Creepy-ass” means “especially creepy.”

    No it doesn't. It mainly operates to make the expression more derogatory.

    “Creepy” is already derogatory, so of course saying someone’s more creepy than merely creepy would be derogatory, too.

    However, the way “ass” is used here wouldn’t be derogatory if it weren’t attached to “creepy.” People in Rachel Jeantel’s world say things like “that’s a fine-ass car” or “she’s a hot-ass female” (often followed by Nome Sane). In such cases, “ass” is complementary.

    It’s a neutral word used for emphasis, attachable to virtually any modifier you may want to use. For instance, “Plato is a profound-ass philosopher.” Or, “Beethoven’s 9th is a transcendent-ass masterpiece.”

    Read More
    • LOL: fish
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    That is not how it is used here.

    It is more a variant on something like, "I clocked his creepy ass."
    , @Jim Don Bob
    That was a great-ass comment.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  97. syonredux says:
    @guest
    The hyphen belongs between "creepy" and "ass," because "ass" is an intensifier. ""Creepy-ass" means "especially creepy."

    She was also talking about Zimmerman's perceived sexual intentions toward Martin. I believe this is why Martin doubled back and ambushed Zimmerman. The youth considered this older cracker gentleman was a homo who "dissed" him by "creeping on" him from a distance.

    Nevertheless, "ass" didn't indicate Zimmerman's designs on that particular body part. It would have the same meaning had she described him as "hella creepy," or whatever they say.

    The hyphen belongs between “creepy” and “ass,” because “ass” is an intensifier. “”Creepy-ass” means “especially creepy.”

    The eternal question:” creepy-ass cracker,” or “creepy ass-cracker.”

    “Creepy-ass”= really creepy cracker

    “Creepy ass-cracker”: creepy gay guy

    “Creepy ass-cracker” would tend to support the idea that the sainted Trayvon was engaging in some gay bashing before he was shot….

    Read More
    • Replies: @guest
    "'Creepy ass-cracker' would tend to support the idea that the sainted Trayvon was engaging in some gay bashing before he was shot"

    It would, but nobody talks like that. "Creepy-ass," on the other hand, is stereotypical ghetto-speak.

    The Gay Bashing Hypothesis is sustained by other parts of Jeantel's testimony. But she didn't say "ass-cracker," in my opinion.
    , @Anonymous
    I've never heard the term "ass-cracker" used to refer to a gay person. I'm pretty hip to contemporary and later-than-1980 lingo. Is this an older term?

    --jeremiahjohnbalaya

    (ps. i loathe what the MSM did w/ that story)
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  98. Thirdeye says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Here’s some of the ‘alarmed’ reactions to the original piece.

    Nobody seems happy to meet the The New York Times’ polite Midwestern Nazi

    And what’s up with the section font of the Times Insider? That’s gotta give some hyper-attuned people the heebie-jeebies:

    https://www.nytco.com/introducing-times-insider

    https://www.nytimes.com/section/insider

    The New York Times on blackletter in 1998:

    A Typeface as Symbol of National Pride

    So much butthurt………..

    IMO the Times article was effective at what it set out to do, to show what led a white liberal to become a white identitarian. The “hate” slam in the headline couldn’t cover up the fact that the target isn’t a psychopath, but someone who responded uncovering the lies about certain events and the ideologies motivating those lies in a logical way. Not necessarily a correct way, but a logical way. The lesson, for those who choose to heed it, is that white identitarianism is a logical response to nonwhite identitarianism. If a nonwhite identitarian objects, they need to take a hard look in the mirror.

    Read More
    • Agree: eah
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  99. NYT reporter gets BTFO’d by heavy metal drummer.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  100. guest says:
    @syonredux

    The hyphen belongs between “creepy” and “ass,” because “ass” is an intensifier. “”Creepy-ass” means “especially creepy.”
     
    The eternal question:" creepy-ass cracker," or "creepy ass-cracker."

    "Creepy-ass"= really creepy cracker

    "Creepy ass-cracker": creepy gay guy

    "Creepy ass-cracker" would tend to support the idea that the sainted Trayvon was engaging in some gay bashing before he was shot....

    “‘Creepy ass-cracker’ would tend to support the idea that the sainted Trayvon was engaging in some gay bashing before he was shot”

    It would, but nobody talks like that. “Creepy-ass,” on the other hand, is stereotypical ghetto-speak.

    The Gay Bashing Hypothesis is sustained by other parts of Jeantel’s testimony. But she didn’t say “ass-cracker,” in my opinion.

    Read More
    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @syonredux

    “‘Creepy ass-cracker’ would tend to support the idea that the sainted Trayvon was engaging in some gay bashing before he was shot”

    It would, but nobody talks like that. “Creepy-ass,” on the other hand, is stereotypical ghetto-speak.
     
    As a teen in the '90s, I knew some Black guys who called gays "ass-creepers".....
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  101. Mr. Anon says:
    @AndrewR

    They spoke about their future — about moving to a bigger place, about their honeymoon, about having kids.
     
    What an odd way to end an article.

    Anyway, this dude has balls. In the current year it is not exactly safe to be so openly right-wing, but I respect his and his wife's choice.

    What an odd way to end an article.

    Indeed. What I really want a Times reporter to tell me, is what the subject of his interview had for breakfast, and how much it cost.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  102. Pericles says:
    @Anon
    Next time, just say "I agree."

    --from someone who has actually written for the NYT

    How did it feel afterwards? Did you repeat to yourself, “I will never be clean again”?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  103. Pericles says:
    @anonymous
    Not when the editorial goal is obfuscation. I suspect that the sentence was, in fact, carefully edited.

    It can be quite revelatory to take articles like this, read them closely, and reverse engineer the fuzzy language, undefined terms, explicit and implicit assumptions, and other techniques that violate the rules of good composition. Awkward phrasing like the sentence in question, when subjected to the principles of good writing, often turns into what the NYT wants the reader NOT to realize. The editor's job is actually to make the writing worse.

    Reportage in Narrative Journalism is a subtle form of advocacy, analogous to a guileful lawyer's response in discovery or briefing to an inconvenient fact: hide it, and mislead with plausible deniability of any such intention. Lawyers, though, are supposed to favor their clients. So how do these journalists rationalize their efforts? "Truth > Fact"

    So how do these journalists rationalize their efforts? “Truth > Fact”

    The New York Times serves a greater truth than mere facts.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  104. eah says:

    The expected reaction of a (((fellow white))) — ‘read the whole thing there’.

    Read More
    • Replies: @eah
    That didn't take long -- a 'Holocaust' scholar chimes in -- "LOL".

    https://twitter.com/lisaanny1/status/934580561544433668
    , @fish
    WOW.......triggered!
    , @fish

    Fuck the Nazi's house and fuck the Nazi's name and fuck the Nazi's faux intellectual books and fuck this editor for not replacing this awful headline with "White Male Inferiority Complex Incarnate Who Advocates for Murderous Racial Cleansing Buys Groceries, Too!"
     
    .....do it to Julia!
    , @Seth Largo
    Ha. I initially read that as "fuck the gentile, inquisitive tone . . ."
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  105. eah says:
    @eah
    The expected reaction of a (((fellow white))) -- 'read the whole thing there'.

    https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/934522150857437184

    That didn’t take long — a ‘Holocaust’ scholar chimes in — “LOL”.

    Read More
    • Replies: @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPi7g9LUEAEFtCC.jpg
    , @guest
    No one stops to think about the fact that actually Nazis ate food. We now know they must have, otherwise they would've starved to death before war's end. But look in the history books, and despite the occasional dinner party at the Eagle's Nest in Berschtgaden there's nary a mention of dinner tables. No treatises on the repast habits of S.S. officers, and how monstrous it was that they digested while Jews died.

    Come to think of it, people don't dwell on Nazi bowel movements, either. Nor their respiration. Imagining their very heartbeats is sickening, yet necessary. Because monomania.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  106. @Another Realist
    According to his Wiki profile, George Zimmerman's mother is Peruvian, with some African ancestry through her Afro-Peruvian maternal grandfather. His father is German-American. He identifies as "Hispanic" on his voter registration, is Catholic and a one time altar boy.

    If he were to achieve great success, or is even the victim of "police brutality", the NYT would I'm sure identify him as a Hispanic who is part black. But for a "murderer", only the half white part counts.

    His father is German-American.

    Does anybody know if it’s “German-American” or “(((German)))-American”? I was under impression until today that Zimmerman’s father was of Jewish ancestry, but Internet searching today mostly turned up websites saying, “ZIMMERMAN WAS A CATHOLIC ALTAR BOY. NOT JEWISH!!! REPEAT, NOT JEWISH!!!!!!”

    Read More
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I never saw any evidence that George Zimmerman was Jewish. Bob Zimmerman-Dylan gets people believing that Zimmerman is a Jewish name, but mostly it's not. Baseball slugger Ryan Zimmerman of the Washington Nationals is not Jewish (the Nationals are famous for star players who sound like they could be Jewish but aren't, including ace pitchers Max Scherzer and Stephen Strasburg). The Zimmerman Telegram of 1917 by the German foreign minister wasn't Jewish either.
    , @Art Deco
    Papa Zimmerman self-published a brief memoir during the case in an effort to defend his family and add some antidote to the poison in the well. You can consult that. IIRC, the father was born in 1953, enlisted in the Army in 1971, and retired a Sergeant-Major in 2008. He met his wife when she was on a sojourn in the United States (visiting relatives, IIRC). She was at the time he met her an athletic coach employed in the Peruvian prison system (she has a post-secondary degree and any kind of formal sector town job put you above the median in the Peruvian labor market of that era).
    , @Forbes

    His father is German-American.
     
    The hyphenation is problematic. How many generations back do we need to search to discover where the German-American merger occurred. Was the father born in the US or Germany; if in the US, was the grandfather born in the US, or Germany? George is a multi-ethnic mutt, of course--so he can't be white, despite the NYT. The complications are incessant. The situational ethics battles as between the one-drop rule and ethnic purity waged by the prog-left PC/SJW crowd are something to behold.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    IIRC the ADL issued a press release announcing that Michael Richards wasn't Jewish, after his "N-word" scandal. Translation: He's not one of us! He's one of...them. Eww. Get him!
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  107. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux

    The hyphen belongs between “creepy” and “ass,” because “ass” is an intensifier. “”Creepy-ass” means “especially creepy.”
     
    The eternal question:" creepy-ass cracker," or "creepy ass-cracker."

    "Creepy-ass"= really creepy cracker

    "Creepy ass-cracker": creepy gay guy

    "Creepy ass-cracker" would tend to support the idea that the sainted Trayvon was engaging in some gay bashing before he was shot....

    I’ve never heard the term “ass-cracker” used to refer to a gay person. I’m pretty hip to contemporary and later-than-1980 lingo. Is this an older term?

    –jeremiahjohnbalaya

    (ps. i loathe what the MSM did w/ that story)

    Read More
    • Replies: @syonredux

    I’ve never heard the term “ass-cracker” used to refer to a gay person. I’m pretty hip to contemporary and later-than-1980 lingo. Is this an older term?
     
    I've never actually heard it, but it sounds plausible.As a teen in the ’90s, I knew some Black guys who called gays “ass-creepers”…..
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  108. eah says:
    @eah
    That didn't take long -- a 'Holocaust' scholar chimes in -- "LOL".

    https://twitter.com/lisaanny1/status/934580561544433668

    Read More
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    By the way, the ADL will take effective control of Twitter on 12/18/17.

    That should work well.

    , @eah
    https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/934695273292496896
    , @Forbes
    Professional hate-monger? I imagine Greenblatt has far more zeros (to the left of the decimal point) on his paycheck than the zero Hovater receives for his "professional hate-mongering."
    , @Anon87
    On the other hand when it comes to sex and gender, always treat abnormal as normal.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  109. @Chrisnonymous

    His father is German-American.
     
    Does anybody know if it's "German-American" or "(((German)))-American"? I was under impression until today that Zimmerman's father was of Jewish ancestry, but Internet searching today mostly turned up websites saying, "ZIMMERMAN WAS A CATHOLIC ALTAR BOY. NOT JEWISH!!! REPEAT, NOT JEWISH!!!!!!"

    I never saw any evidence that George Zimmerman was Jewish. Bob Zimmerman-Dylan gets people believing that Zimmerman is a Jewish name, but mostly it’s not. Baseball slugger Ryan Zimmerman of the Washington Nationals is not Jewish (the Nationals are famous for star players who sound like they could be Jewish but aren’t, including ace pitchers Max Scherzer and Stephen Strasburg). The Zimmerman Telegram of 1917 by the German foreign minister wasn’t Jewish either.

    Read More
    • Replies: @guest
    "Zimmerman" is a German surname.* Jews from Austria and Germany tend to have Germanicized names, because that's the way they did assimilation. But Bob Dylan's grandparents were from Russia (or modern-day Ukraine), which never made sense to me. Where did they get that name from?

    *"Zimmer" is German for carpenter.

    , @anon
    "Rosenberg" isn't always Jewish either as we know from Nuremburg Trials. The only Zimmerman I know is Jewish but most Jewish-sounding names are just German names that, for some reason or other, a lot of Jews have taken or been stuck with. It's interesting that Cat, Lion, Wolf, Fish, and Fox are often Jewish as are their German and Spanish equivalents, but not Bear or Dog.
    , @Jack D
    It was the Zimmermann Telegram, with 2 n's. Most commonly German -mann names have 2 n's and Ashkenazi Jewish ones have 1 but it's not a surefire thing.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  110. guest says:
    @eah
    That didn't take long -- a 'Holocaust' scholar chimes in -- "LOL".

    https://twitter.com/lisaanny1/status/934580561544433668

    No one stops to think about the fact that actually Nazis ate food. We now know they must have, otherwise they would’ve starved to death before war’s end. But look in the history books, and despite the occasional dinner party at the Eagle’s Nest in Berschtgaden there’s nary a mention of dinner tables. No treatises on the repast habits of S.S. officers, and how monstrous it was that they digested while Jews died.

    Come to think of it, people don’t dwell on Nazi bowel movements, either. Nor their respiration. Imagining their very heartbeats is sickening, yet necessary. Because monomania.

    Read More
    • Replies: @utu
    people don’t dwell on Nazi bowel movements

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/recaps/14-04-2015/national-geographic-hitler-and-bulgarian-peasant-faeces-anyone/
    The description of Hitler’s stool sample in Hitler’s medical records is the film’s bombshell, as it were: “Dirty grey-brown, very thin and mushy.” Trying to heal Hitler’s “tummy troubles” in an early attempt at faecal replacement therapy, Morell gave Hitler a preparation called Mutaflor. Ah-ha! Had this been harvested from Bulgarian peasants? No. It consisted partly of bacteria extracted from the faeces of a German First World War soldier. Not a whiff of a Bulgarian peasant.
     
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  111. fish says:
    @eah
    The expected reaction of a (((fellow white))) -- 'read the whole thing there'.

    https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/934522150857437184

    WOW…….triggered!

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  112. guest says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I never saw any evidence that George Zimmerman was Jewish. Bob Zimmerman-Dylan gets people believing that Zimmerman is a Jewish name, but mostly it's not. Baseball slugger Ryan Zimmerman of the Washington Nationals is not Jewish (the Nationals are famous for star players who sound like they could be Jewish but aren't, including ace pitchers Max Scherzer and Stephen Strasburg). The Zimmerman Telegram of 1917 by the German foreign minister wasn't Jewish either.

    “Zimmerman” is a German surname.* Jews from Austria and Germany tend to have Germanicized names, because that’s the way they did assimilation. But Bob Dylan’s grandparents were from Russia (or modern-day Ukraine), which never made sense to me. Where did they get that name from?

    *”Zimmer” is German for carpenter.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jack D
    The same place as all the other Ashkenazi Jews did - the Jews of E. Europe started out further west, in German speaking lands, where they acquired their -man, -berg, -stein surnames and German based Yiddish language and then they moved east taking their names and language with them.
    , @eah
    *”Zimmer” is German for carpenter.

    ? -- Zimmer means room, eg Hotelzimmer -- for carpenter most German speakers would say Tischler -- Tisch = table.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  113. @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPi7g9LUEAEFtCC.jpg

    By the way, the ADL will take effective control of Twitter on 12/18/17.

    That should work well.

    Read More
    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/Undoomed/status/934495208913424387
    , @Cagey Beast
    It really would be for the best if the organized Jewish community were the final arbiters on all things. Sadly, it is the only way we can prevent another Hitler.
    , @Jack Hanson
    I hope Peter Thiel shorts their stock and makes a windfall but I also suspect he knows that Twitter is likely propped up by US slush funds, and has the ability to remain irrational longer than he can stay solvent.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  114. @Hail
    Great visual metaphor....But my impression is that the New York Elite was mainly indifferent to Middle America in the 1970s, or maybe quietly hostile. Not overtly hostile and hate-crazed in the vein of their anti-Ferguson campaign in this decade, to name the most egregious example.

    Maybe I am wrong. In 1976, did "the media" do anything like this, choose specific 'White Flyover losers' to bash, to lie about n the most disgraceful fashion, to direct campaigns of hatred against? I don't think Cronkite-era media really did this. (Possibly against Southerners; but that was more a '50s-'60s thing and even that doesn't approach 2010s-levels of hysteria.)

    1976 was, of course, the year of Jimmy Carter (D - Georgia Peanut-Farmer; suspiciously soft on the need to suppress the Palestinians; great-grandfather a bonafide CSA Army veteran) vs. Gerald Ford (R - Nebraska-born Eagle Scout; suspiciously blond; surname shared with famous anti-Semite).

    Neither Carter nor Ford were demonized in the way any similar figure would be today.

    A 'Jimmy Carter' today would be mercilessly attacked for softness on the Confederate Flag Question, would no doubt be "Roy Moore'd" in multiple ways; I am sure CNN-thugs would dig up 'stories' of racist associates back in Georgia and impugn Carter and demand he drop out. (Note: Acc. to the exit poll, Carter won the Jewish vote 2-1 in November.)

    Neither Carter nor Ford were demonized in the way any similar figure would be today.

    A ‘Jimmy Carter’ today would be mercilessly attacked for softness on the Confederate Flag Question, would no doubt be “Roy Moore’d” in multiple ways;

    Carter would have much bigger problems today than being soft on the Confederate flag. He was a Sunday School teacher at Plains Baptist Church, whose constitution explicitly barred blacks from attending or joining. This was widely reported on, and Carter’s response was that he personally disagreed with barring blacks from the church. But he didn’t quit the church, let alone condemn it.

    Forty years ago, teaching Sunday School at an openly racist church wasn’t a dealbreaker for most white voters. It wasn’t considered a big deal, as most whites attended churches that were all white, and they liked it that way. They didn’t wish blacks any harm, but they wanted nothing to do with them in their personal lives.

    The last week of the 1976 campaign, a black preacher (who’d spend time in prison for not paying child support) announced that he would be at Plains Baptist Church on the Sunday two days before the election and demand to be let in. In response, the church simply called off services that day and padlocked the church. This was, again, widely reported, and Carter still won.

    Try to imagine that happening today.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    The last week of the 1976 campaign, a black preacher (who’d spend time in prison for not paying child support) announced that he would be at Plains Baptist Church on the Sunday two days before the election and demand to be let in.
     
    Valiant effort, Ford campaign! No, seriously, I'd never heard about that one, but the end of your story shows how decent and common-sensical a country we still had back then.

    I don't think even the D-wing of The Party (whatever color they were on the TV - assuming you had a color set - that year) would have pulled wicked-ass tricks like that back 40 years ago, but I may be talking out my ass on that ...
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  115. eah says:
    @Steve Sailer
    By the way, the ADL will take effective control of Twitter on 12/18/17.

    That should work well.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  116. @Steve Sailer
    By the way, the ADL will take effective control of Twitter on 12/18/17.

    That should work well.

    It really would be for the best if the organized Jewish community were the final arbiters on all things. Sadly, it is the only way we can prevent another Hitler.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  117. Here it is for those of us who are a little slow. This is from a self-described “DC native, 5th generation (((New Yorker)))” who writes “mostly about Russia”.

    A White non-liberal equals a Nazi for these nice folks. That’s why we can never be trusted with self-government. That’s why we need them to handle US relations with Russia and everything else.

    You can be the cuckiest supercuck from New Cuckholm, Wisconsin and still be a Nazi in waiting:

    Read More
    • Replies: @anon
    This is from a self-described “DC native, 5th generation (((New Yorker)))” who writes “mostly about Russia”.

    I just don't understand why anybody wouldn't like these people.
    , @Art Deco
    It's a reasonable wager that 'David Klion' is a pseudonym. Searches on White Pages, MyLife, Linkedin, and Ancestry turn up a dry hole. It's very unusual that someone manages to live into middle age without ever landing in a public records dump or a city directory somewhere. Not my trade, but I think it's unusual for publications to allow you to write under a pen name.

    He's been a half dozen different places, including Al Jazeera, The Guardian, Foreign Policy, Salon, and World Politics Journal. If he actually did receive an MA from the University of Chicago, it's a good guess that he was there a generation ago (when 'Soviet History' was still a subject). Were he some random knucklehead, you wouldn't bother about it. It appears he's a random knucklehead that liberal editors fancy is perfectly reasonable. The pen name suggests he has some sort of regular employment which would be threatened by his public writings. I'd be fascinated to know which government agency hired him to do just what.

    The sort of person who fancies Paul Ryan is a Nazi sympathizer is considered perfectly reasonable by the editor of Foreign Policy. The editor of Foreign Policy is, evidently, not someone you can converse with.
    , @ScarletNumber
    Girl number 4 in the front row is sexy. I will say this much for Republicans: they are generally better looking than Democrats.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  118. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Cagey Beast
    The Jewish establishment and their Gentile colleagues clearly have a symbiotic relationship with the anti-Semitic Far Right. They need each other, define themselves in opposition to the other and justify the need for their continued funding based on the existence of the other. Both agree the Jews are at the centre of things and the world cannot make sense without seeing it from a Jewish-centred point of view. It's no wonder they can't stop talking about each other.

    It’s obvious to any honest person that Jews have enormous power, as evidenced by their ability to wreck anyone who wants to talk about it. Someone who doesn’t see this simply proves their intellectual dishonesty.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Was I doing that? No I wasn't. The problem with the "name the Jew!" crowd is that it's all or nothing with them. We have to agree with every fever dream of everyone, everywhere or we're "intellectually dishonest" at best.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  119. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    I never saw any evidence that George Zimmerman was Jewish. Bob Zimmerman-Dylan gets people believing that Zimmerman is a Jewish name, but mostly it's not. Baseball slugger Ryan Zimmerman of the Washington Nationals is not Jewish (the Nationals are famous for star players who sound like they could be Jewish but aren't, including ace pitchers Max Scherzer and Stephen Strasburg). The Zimmerman Telegram of 1917 by the German foreign minister wasn't Jewish either.

    “Rosenberg” isn’t always Jewish either as we know from Nuremburg Trials. The only Zimmerman I know is Jewish but most Jewish-sounding names are just German names that, for some reason or other, a lot of Jews have taken or been stuck with. It’s interesting that Cat, Lion, Wolf, Fish, and Fox are often Jewish as are their German and Spanish equivalents, but not Bear or Dog.

    Read More
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Baer and variants are very common Jewish names. I know four Baer families myself. Dog/hund is not common.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  120. @Steve Sailer
    By the way, the ADL will take effective control of Twitter on 12/18/17.

    That should work well.

    I hope Peter Thiel shorts their stock and makes a windfall but I also suspect he knows that Twitter is likely propped up by US slush funds, and has the ability to remain irrational longer than he can stay solvent.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Forbes
    Stocks like Twitter, who invent their own fundamental metrics (reach, impressions, etc.), are essentially race horses at the track, running against no other horses, with no finish line in sight. Those making speculative bets are akin to the blue-haired lady that place a bet because she likes the name of the horse. And the Twitter "horse" runs until it turns profitable, is acquired, or goes bankrupt.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  121. Svigor says:

    Well, Jews plays a greatly outsized role in many of America’s worst problems, yet no one in respectable conservatism will even mention the word Jews in relation to these problems, let alone assign them any blame.

    They don’t mention it because it’s a poisonous fantasy.

    That take falls apart pretty quickly upon examination. E.g., the left is the problem in America; Jews vote 70% Democrat, and are responsible for a gobsmacking amount of the Dems’ funding (a lot of the GOP’s funding too, but then, RINOs are a huge problem). See an antiwhite article in Big Media written by a “white,” and 90% of the time, the author is a Jew. Jews are obviously the vanguard of the open-borders, pro-diversity, and anti-nationalist movements in America. Jews are 35% of the Forbes 400, a group obviously responsible for much of the political skullduggery in this country. Big Media is by far the most problematic industry in America, and it’s heavily Jewish.

    You don’t really even have to delve past the surface to start getting a dismal picture of Jewish influence. Hell, you’ll find plenty of warm Jews and a few Whites (e.g., Biden) talking up Jewish influence; everything’s great until someone points out it’s a bad influence.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  122. Svigor says:

    The location of the hyphen was never resolved to distinguish whether in Mr. Martin’s mind that Zimmerman, was a white person who held black people in disdain or whether he was eying Martin up for a casual act of sodomy .

    There is no confusion, just a steadfast refusal to learn ebonics, in which “creepy-ass” is definitely a thing, and “ass-cracker” is not.

    Not this again. Anyone who has spent time with black people knows where the hyphen goes.

    THANK YOU, BEN.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  123. Svigor says:

    Uses of the -ass suffix I can recall hearing (from movies or in person):

    Creepy-ass
    Stupid-ass
    Dumbass (this is probably the origin)
    Crazy-ass
    Silly-ass
    Black-ass
    Monkey-ass
    Lyin-ass
    Frontin-ass
    Sheisty-ass
    Triflin-ass
    Petty-ass

    “Monkey-ass n****” makes sense. “Monkey ass-n****” makes no sense.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  124. eah says:
    @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPi7g9LUEAEFtCC.jpg

    Read More
    • Replies: @Forbes
    He doesn't see the irony in enforcing ideology in favor of his cause. Just the danger of enforcing the other guy's ideology.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  125. @Anon
    If you really believe that the NYT (and the rest of the MSM) isn't presenting Zimmerman as a "white man who killed a black teenager" then all I can conclude is that you've been under a rock somewhere these past several years.

    Yes, except that the approved formulation is “a white man who killed an unarmed black teenager.”

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  126. Svigor says:

    Mark-ass
    Busta-ass
    Bitch-ass
    Pussy-ass
    Sorry-ass

    Read More
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    OK, man, we got it. (I always did, even though the 2/3 hyphen location was kinda amusing.)
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  127. Art Deco says:
    @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    They don’t mention it because it’s a poisonous fantasy.
     
    Do either of your dads know you're playing on the computer?

    He died nearly 40 years ago, so, no, he doesn’t know I’m using a computer.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  128. @Cagey Beast
    Isn't it funny how often the consumers of media content like the NYT screech "why are you showing me this?? I pay you not to tell me about this sort of thing! Get it out of my sight!".

    There is a legitimate concern that letting alt-right types express themselves in public forums risks that their views will infect others. After all, their views correspond to reality, while those of the NYT editors do not.

    The left no longer has confidence that exposing the views of those in the alt-right is the best way of invalidating them. The left knows it can’t win in free and open debate.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    A low cult of Lie Magic developed in the West after WW2. Political consultants and ad men became the "high priests of a low cult". People parroted "perception is reality", "sell the sizzle, not the steak", "we create our own reality" like they were wise words of holy men who could never steer you wrong.

    What's all this got to do with anything? It's that people who shriek at the sight of Nazis in their New York Times are terrified the Narrative is being irreparably defiled. They even fear the Alt Right may gain new powers just by being given access to one of the most holy sites of Lie Magic.

    According to some, it's the fault of the media that Trump was elected because they allowed him to sully their column inches and airwaves with his unclean spirit. If everyone had just held hands and concentrated on the Narrative, Trump would have dissolved into ectoplasm.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  129. Art Deco says:
    @Hail
    Great visual metaphor....But my impression is that the New York Elite was mainly indifferent to Middle America in the 1970s, or maybe quietly hostile. Not overtly hostile and hate-crazed in the vein of their anti-Ferguson campaign in this decade, to name the most egregious example.

    Maybe I am wrong. In 1976, did "the media" do anything like this, choose specific 'White Flyover losers' to bash, to lie about n the most disgraceful fashion, to direct campaigns of hatred against? I don't think Cronkite-era media really did this. (Possibly against Southerners; but that was more a '50s-'60s thing and even that doesn't approach 2010s-levels of hysteria.)

    1976 was, of course, the year of Jimmy Carter (D - Georgia Peanut-Farmer; suspiciously soft on the need to suppress the Palestinians; great-grandfather a bonafide CSA Army veteran) vs. Gerald Ford (R - Nebraska-born Eagle Scout; suspiciously blond; surname shared with famous anti-Semite).

    Neither Carter nor Ford were demonized in the way any similar figure would be today.

    A 'Jimmy Carter' today would be mercilessly attacked for softness on the Confederate Flag Question, would no doubt be "Roy Moore'd" in multiple ways; I am sure CNN-thugs would dig up 'stories' of racist associates back in Georgia and impugn Carter and demand he drop out. (Note: Acc. to the exit poll, Carter won the Jewish vote 2-1 in November.)

    See Macon County Line. The sinister and violent small town or rural district was a recurring theme of mass entertainment of that era. Not an omnipresent theme, but common enough that I can recall my mother rolling her eyes when it appeared in a made-for-television film.

    See also “The Night When the Lights Went Out in Georgia”. It was a big hit for Vicki Lawrence. The chance to record the song was originally offered to Cher; Sonny Bono vetoed the project, saying if she recorded that song the two of them would lose their Southern audience. Carol Burnett didn’t lose her Southern viewers over it.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  130. Art Deco says:
    @Harold
    This reminds me: reading an okay article last month at National Review by Andrew C. McCarthy about the Uranium One deals, I learnt that Russia invaded Georgia (because Russian).

    Naïvely viewing Russia as a “strategic partner” rather than a malevolent competitor, the Bush administration made a nuclear-cooperation agreement with the Kremlin in May 2008. That blunder, however, was tabled before Congress could consider it. That is because Russia, being Russia, invaded Georgia.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452972/uranium-one-deal-obama-administration-doj-hillary-clinton-racketeering
     

    (emphasis mine)

    Have you had a look at the remarks of some of the characters who frequent Mr. Karlin’s comboxes? There actually is a strand of opinion among Russian nationalists which self-medicates with narratives of contempt which, in turn, provide apologetics for conquering or mistreating neighboring countries. (The Ukraine and the Baltic states in particular). (No clue how common this is in Russia).

    Cannot help but note that there used to be over 200,000 Georgians in Abkhazia and now there are fewer than 50,000. Don’t think the Abhkaz militias could have accomplished that without some help from the big bear. In other news in the Caucasus, Grozny was pretty much a parking lot when the Russian military got done with it. Nothing remotely like that happened in Ossetia, but the general point (that Russia can be right ugly in the Caucasus when it suits them) is true.

    Read More
    • Replies: @midtown
    Well, the Caucasus region is highly complex. There are wannabe breakaway regions all over, some somewhat legitimate and some not -- but certainly more complex than "Russia invaded Georgia" out of the blue. And some of those poor Caucasians are utterly brutal in their own right.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  131. Art Deco says:
    @anon
    I, too, was partly radicalized in the issue of race by Trayvon-mania. The Narrative was so blatant and in-your-face that it “incensed” me.

    The Narrative was a big part of it, but don't disregard the reaction from the black community.

    By the time the photos of the back of Zimmerman's head came out, it was basically an open-and-shut case. But I literally didn't encounter a single black person who could understand that. It really wasn't that complicated, but every black person you talked to had some kind of argument about how, basically, if a white guy gets out of his car, black people are allowed to beat him to death, and the white guy just has to let himself get killed.

    It didn't really matter how smart they seemed. They all believed some variation of that. I don't know of a single exception.

    It was an eye-opener for a lot of people.

    basically, if a white guy gets out of his car, black people are allowed to beat him to death, and the white guy just has to let himself get killed.

    I discovered that viewpoint in fora like this as well. Interestingly enough, the one identifiable black man in the discussion did not push that view. It was white progtrash pushing that view (without quite realizing what it was they were actually advocating). A less partisan viewpoint maintains that lethal self-defense is illegitimate, so Zimmerman was just wrong; I’ve heard that from peace-church types.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jack D
    Zimmerman should have allowed himself to be beaten to death - his last thought before he ascended to progtard heaven would have been how holy he was for not thinking racist thoughts or resorting to violence, which as we know is never the solution.
    , @anon
    I'm not denying that there were white shitlibs who had the same point of view. Of course there were. But the thing about blacks is, there just wasn't one who could understand it. At least not that I ever saw. Not in articles, not in comments sections, nowhere.

    And obviously, there's the IQ gap. But frankly, the case wasn't that complicated. You'd think a fourth or so of blacks would at least be capable of understanding it. But I literally never saw one. Even the blacks that called themselves "conservative".
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  132. It is a common joke among musicians that drummers as a group are none-too- bright.

    Steve’s comment about Trayvon’ s looks reminds me of a short joke I made up a few years ago.
    I thought it was great , but few thought it was very funny or even got it.
    You have to go back a few years to put it in proper time context.
    Here goes:

    Obama was on tv the other day .
    He said if his father were still alive, he would look just like Bill Cosby.

    Don’t quit my day job, huh!

    Read More
    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    Q: What did the drummer get on his SAT test?
    A: DROOL!
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  133. Art Deco says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    His father is German-American.
     
    Does anybody know if it's "German-American" or "(((German)))-American"? I was under impression until today that Zimmerman's father was of Jewish ancestry, but Internet searching today mostly turned up websites saying, "ZIMMERMAN WAS A CATHOLIC ALTAR BOY. NOT JEWISH!!! REPEAT, NOT JEWISH!!!!!!"

    Papa Zimmerman self-published a brief memoir during the case in an effort to defend his family and add some antidote to the poison in the well. You can consult that. IIRC, the father was born in 1953, enlisted in the Army in 1971, and retired a Sergeant-Major in 2008. He met his wife when she was on a sojourn in the United States (visiting relatives, IIRC). She was at the time he met her an athletic coach employed in the Peruvian prison system (she has a post-secondary degree and any kind of formal sector town job put you above the median in the Peruvian labor market of that era).

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jack D
    The # of Jewish Sergeant-Majors in the US Army approaches the # of white guys who play NFL cornerback.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  134. @Harry Baldwin
    There is a legitimate concern that letting alt-right types express themselves in public forums risks that their views will infect others. After all, their views correspond to reality, while those of the NYT editors do not.

    The left no longer has confidence that exposing the views of those in the alt-right is the best way of invalidating them. The left knows it can't win in free and open debate.

    A low cult of Lie Magic developed in the West after WW2. Political consultants and ad men became the “high priests of a low cult”. People parroted “perception is reality”, “sell the sizzle, not the steak”, “we create our own reality” like they were wise words of holy men who could never steer you wrong.

    What’s all this got to do with anything? It’s that people who shriek at the sight of Nazis in their New York Times are terrified the Narrative is being irreparably defiled. They even fear the Alt Right may gain new powers just by being given access to one of the most holy sites of Lie Magic.

    According to some, it’s the fault of the media that Trump was elected because they allowed him to sully their column inches and airwaves with his unclean spirit. If everyone had just held hands and concentrated on the Narrative, Trump would have dissolved into ectoplasm.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Forbes
    It's the same rationalization that the puddle of Facebook/Google ads by "Russians" supposedly influenced the election, in contrast to the oceans of money spent by Hillary. The tiniest of amounts will have an overwhelming impact (because it's the only explanation I'm willing to entertain).
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  135. @anon
    I, too, was partly radicalized in the issue of race by Trayvon-mania. The Narrative was so blatant and in-your-face that it “incensed” me.

    The Narrative was a big part of it, but don't disregard the reaction from the black community.

    By the time the photos of the back of Zimmerman's head came out, it was basically an open-and-shut case. But I literally didn't encounter a single black person who could understand that. It really wasn't that complicated, but every black person you talked to had some kind of argument about how, basically, if a white guy gets out of his car, black people are allowed to beat him to death, and the white guy just has to let himself get killed.

    It didn't really matter how smart they seemed. They all believed some variation of that. I don't know of a single exception.

    It was an eye-opener for a lot of people.

    Every white person I talked to on this topic was of the opinion that in getting out of the car, a legally defined “reasonable person” has the expectation of having one’s head bounced against the cement. Furthermore, the only possible, conceivable reason for leaving the car while carrying a concealed firearm was to have one’s head bashed in order to have an excuse to shoot someone dead.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anon
    Every white person I talked to on this topic was of the opinion that in getting out of the car, a legally defined “reasonable person” has the expectation of having one’s head bounced against the cement.

    You need to hang out with a better class of white people then.
    , @Art Deco
    They had their story and they were sticking to it. One thing the crew I argued with were resistant to doing was actually listening to the conversation he had with the dispatcher, which was quite mundane. The dispatcher gave him no instructions whatsoever, just a suggestion ("we don't need you to do that") offered after he'd left his truck. He got out of the truck to attempt to keep Martin in view after Martin had unaccountably run down an alley. (Which failed. He never caught sight of Martin again before Martin resurfaced and sucker-punched him). There's no indication he looked for Martin at all. He headed down a walkway which ran to the next street over to check the street name (talking to the dispatcher the whole time), concluded the call to the dispatcher, and headed back on that walkway toward his truck. It appears he was loitering on said walkway. Perpendicular to the walkway was another walkway which ran down the alley. Opening on to the alley were the rear entrances of the townhouses on each side. Martin quite deliberately walked 75 yards up that alley from the rear door of the home of Brandi Green (Tracy Martin's baby-mamma) to where Zimmerman was standing around waiting for the police to arrive.
    , @ScarletNumber
    And you don't know how Donald Trump won last year, since no one you knew voted for him.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  136. fish says:
    @eah
    The expected reaction of a (((fellow white))) -- 'read the whole thing there'.

    https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/934522150857437184

    Fuck the Nazi’s house and fuck the Nazi’s name and fuck the Nazi’s faux intellectual books and fuck this editor for not replacing this awful headline with “White Male Inferiority Complex Incarnate Who Advocates for Murderous Racial Cleansing Buys Groceries, Too!”

    …..do it to Julia!

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  137. Jack D says:
    @guest
    "Zimmerman" is a German surname.* Jews from Austria and Germany tend to have Germanicized names, because that's the way they did assimilation. But Bob Dylan's grandparents were from Russia (or modern-day Ukraine), which never made sense to me. Where did they get that name from?

    *"Zimmer" is German for carpenter.

    The same place as all the other Ashkenazi Jews did – the Jews of E. Europe started out further west, in German speaking lands, where they acquired their -man, -berg, -stein surnames and German based Yiddish language and then they moved east taking their names and language with them.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  138. Forbes says:
    @Hunsdon
    Is it now de rigueur to refer to married women by Ms.?

    I realized earlier today that I have been remiss, I could not post a "like" to another comment. I shall attempt to remain au curuant with the posting requirements.

    Is it now de rigueur to refer to married women by Ms.?

    Have you been asleep for two generations? The only women likely to get a “Mrs.” would be 90-year old dowagers.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  139. @eah
    The expected reaction of a (((fellow white))) -- 'read the whole thing there'.

    https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/934522150857437184

    Ha. I initially read that as “fuck the gentile, inquisitive tone . . .”

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  140. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco
    Papa Zimmerman self-published a brief memoir during the case in an effort to defend his family and add some antidote to the poison in the well. You can consult that. IIRC, the father was born in 1953, enlisted in the Army in 1971, and retired a Sergeant-Major in 2008. He met his wife when she was on a sojourn in the United States (visiting relatives, IIRC). She was at the time he met her an athletic coach employed in the Peruvian prison system (she has a post-secondary degree and any kind of formal sector town job put you above the median in the Peruvian labor market of that era).

    The # of Jewish Sergeant-Majors in the US Army approaches the # of white guys who play NFL cornerback.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  141. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I never saw any evidence that George Zimmerman was Jewish. Bob Zimmerman-Dylan gets people believing that Zimmerman is a Jewish name, but mostly it's not. Baseball slugger Ryan Zimmerman of the Washington Nationals is not Jewish (the Nationals are famous for star players who sound like they could be Jewish but aren't, including ace pitchers Max Scherzer and Stephen Strasburg). The Zimmerman Telegram of 1917 by the German foreign minister wasn't Jewish either.

    It was the Zimmermann Telegram, with 2 n’s. Most commonly German -mann names have 2 n’s and Ashkenazi Jewish ones have 1 but it’s not a surefire thing.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  142. Forbes says:
    @Bro Methylene
    If white murderers don't appear (and they don't), American journalists will invent them. The failure of white Americans to be evil infuriates the New York Times. So they do what American journalists do best: they lie.

    I suppose they are simply solving a political-market problem. There is an unmet demand for evil white men. The novelists at the NYT are meeting the demand with fictional characters. Who are we to question them?

    The NYT has to go hunting for white murderers because whites are extremely peaceful in NYC compared to other ethnics, as the 2% of all gun crimes that whites commit are lost in the 98% committed by blacks and Hispanics. The white needle in a multiculti haystack question is answered by delving into haystacks primarily comprised of whites.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  143. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco
    basically, if a white guy gets out of his car, black people are allowed to beat him to death, and the white guy just has to let himself get killed.

    I discovered that viewpoint in fora like this as well. Interestingly enough, the one identifiable black man in the discussion did not push that view. It was white progtrash pushing that view (without quite realizing what it was they were actually advocating). A less partisan viewpoint maintains that lethal self-defense is illegitimate, so Zimmerman was just wrong; I've heard that from peace-church types.

    Zimmerman should have allowed himself to be beaten to death – his last thought before he ascended to progtard heaven would have been how holy he was for not thinking racist thoughts or resorting to violence, which as we know is never the solution.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  144. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Art Deco
    basically, if a white guy gets out of his car, black people are allowed to beat him to death, and the white guy just has to let himself get killed.

    I discovered that viewpoint in fora like this as well. Interestingly enough, the one identifiable black man in the discussion did not push that view. It was white progtrash pushing that view (without quite realizing what it was they were actually advocating). A less partisan viewpoint maintains that lethal self-defense is illegitimate, so Zimmerman was just wrong; I've heard that from peace-church types.

    I’m not denying that there were white shitlibs who had the same point of view. Of course there were. But the thing about blacks is, there just wasn’t one who could understand it. At least not that I ever saw. Not in articles, not in comments sections, nowhere.

    And obviously, there’s the IQ gap. But frankly, the case wasn’t that complicated. You’d think a fourth or so of blacks would at least be capable of understanding it. But I literally never saw one. Even the blacks that called themselves “conservative”.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    1. They didn't bother to check even gross and obvious details.

    2. When they did, their behavior was governed by the dysfunctional shame culture which has emerged in the black population in the last 60 years. They know the narrative is BS but they're not going to tell you to your face it's BS. See Tracy Martin's initial reaction when he realized his son was missing: making inquiries over the phone to see if his son was in juvenile detention. (Recall TM was in Orlando because his fed-up mother in Miami had loaded him on a bus to Orlando and notified his father TM was on his way). Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton allowed themselves to be rendered paper dolls in the toy theatre set up by Ryan Julison and Benjamin Crump. Gov. Scott got snookered into turning the case over to Angela Corey, who was (a) unscrupulous as hell and (b) has a history of hostility to and abuse of people who defend themselves with firearms.

    3. The influence of the shame culture wasn't decisive for some because they fancy blacks are an aristocratic stratum and have a franchise to beat up white peasants who irritate them (which, come to think of it, implicates a different honor culture). As noted, this is incorporated into the thinking of white liberals; the whites properly beat up are deemed low-class and deserving of it.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  145. Forbes says:
    @Hail
    Great visual metaphor....But my impression is that the New York Elite was mainly indifferent to Middle America in the 1970s, or maybe quietly hostile. Not overtly hostile and hate-crazed in the vein of their anti-Ferguson campaign in this decade, to name the most egregious example.

    Maybe I am wrong. In 1976, did "the media" do anything like this, choose specific 'White Flyover losers' to bash, to lie about n the most disgraceful fashion, to direct campaigns of hatred against? I don't think Cronkite-era media really did this. (Possibly against Southerners; but that was more a '50s-'60s thing and even that doesn't approach 2010s-levels of hysteria.)

    1976 was, of course, the year of Jimmy Carter (D - Georgia Peanut-Farmer; suspiciously soft on the need to suppress the Palestinians; great-grandfather a bonafide CSA Army veteran) vs. Gerald Ford (R - Nebraska-born Eagle Scout; suspiciously blond; surname shared with famous anti-Semite).

    Neither Carter nor Ford were demonized in the way any similar figure would be today.

    A 'Jimmy Carter' today would be mercilessly attacked for softness on the Confederate Flag Question, would no doubt be "Roy Moore'd" in multiple ways; I am sure CNN-thugs would dig up 'stories' of racist associates back in Georgia and impugn Carter and demand he drop out. (Note: Acc. to the exit poll, Carter won the Jewish vote 2-1 in November.)

    I think that’s true–elites as indifferent then. The illustration clearly implies indifference, in fact, a lack of interest to parts west–to flyover country. And not unlike maps from antiquity that noted “dragons be here” on the outer reaches beyond the known and explored world. The NYT explores this flyover exotica as if a 15th/16th c. sea-faring expedition to parts unknown. Though the anecdotes collected are collected to serve The Narrative. And just as often as people are reminded, they mostly never absorb the concept that the plural of anecdote is not data.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  146. @guest
    "Creepy" is already derogatory, so of course saying someone's more creepy than merely creepy would be derogatory, too.

    However, the way "ass" is used here wouldn't be derogatory if it weren't attached to "creepy." People in Rachel Jeantel's world say things like "that's a fine-ass car" or "she's a hot-ass female" (often followed by Nome Sane). In such cases, "ass" is complementary.

    It's a neutral word used for emphasis, attachable to virtually any modifier you may want to use. For instance, "Plato is a profound-ass philosopher." Or, "Beethoven's 9th is a transcendent-ass masterpiece."

    That is not how it is used here.

    It is more a variant on something like, “I clocked his creepy ass.”

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  147. @L Woods
    Wow, a semi-employed drummer. Another of the alt-right’s sterling elite-in-waiting.

    Perhaps in another, better time, in twenty years he’d be the supervisor of his local town or representative in his county government. You go to war with the army you have.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  148. Forbes says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    The use of quotes, as you describe, Kilhowi, is kind of interesting. It it the writer's way of stating whether the term in quotes is supposed to be "normal" or not (ha, there's those quotes again - I meant normal in the writer's eyes.) I came upon the "in his words" thing, combined with quotes, that also push an opinion into the story.

    I saw this before in this article by Brenda Walker on VDare (writes about the human side of the immigration invasion mostly) a good while back. She added something from the San Francisco ABC station:

    SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) — President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday seeking to end sanctuary cities, that, in his words, “harbor illegal immigrants.”
     
    Peak Stupidity said:

    Think about it "... sanctuary cities, that, in his words, 'harbor illegal immigrants'". WTF does the "in his words" mean here? That'd be like my calculus teacher saying: "Newton performed an integration on this function, that, in his words, used differential elements to obtain the area under the curve". It's the definition, just like "a place where they are harboring illegal aliens" is the definition of "sanctuary city".

    This could be fun. Future headlines to look for from the lying press:

    North Korean strongman Mr Kim Ill Kimson threatened today to blow the livin crap outta Washington, FS with a thermonuclear weapon that would, in his words "use a nuclear fission reaction to compress and initiate a secondary nuclear fusion reaction of a hydrogen isotope".

    A Boeing Company's commercial aircraft division spokesman announced that the new 797 will undergo it's first test flight tomorrow that would, in his words, "use Bernoulli's principle to create a low pressure region on the top of it's wings to cause lift and cause the long-delayed airplane to leave the surly bonds of earth and, like, fly."

    JLo tweeted this morning that she didn't like rap music that in her words "doesn't have any melody and is just a bunch of yelling thugs".
     

     

    SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) — President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday seeking to end sanctuary cities, that, in his words, “harbor illegal immigrants.”

    There’s another way of looking at that construction. The use of the phrasing: “that, in his words,” usually indicates what’s to follow is a paraphrase, not a quotation–otherwise, an actual quote would be used. Additionally, since most media refuse to use the term “illegal immigrants,” the implication is that irony quotes are in use with “harbor illegal immigrants,” as the concept of harboring illegal immigrants doesn’t exist (in media’s view).

    Media spends an inordinate amount of time (irony quotes) “correcting” Trump as he veers off The Narrative, so they must re-impose The Narrative at every chance.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Additionally, since most media refuse to use the term “illegal immigrants,” the implication is that irony quotes are in use with “harbor illegal immigrants,” as the concept of harboring illegal immigrants doesn’t exist (in media’s view)
     
    I may not have explained myself well, Forbes, but that's what I meant too. The Lyin Press there wanted to imply that "harboring illegal immigrants" was NOT the normal definition of being a sanctuary city. So, these would not be scare quotes (by most people's definition of that concept), but a way of setting another definition. However, what's in quotes is the normal definition for people outside the Lyin' Press and the cntrl-left types (some are lying and some are stupid - some are both).

    My examples were to show how stupid it sounds to do this type of writing construction for someone who is on to their tricks. Just as an iSteve example, imagine: Mr. Sailer writes about IQ quite often, which in his words "is a measure of the intelligence of individuals."
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  149. eah says:
    @guest
    "Zimmerman" is a German surname.* Jews from Austria and Germany tend to have Germanicized names, because that's the way they did assimilation. But Bob Dylan's grandparents were from Russia (or modern-day Ukraine), which never made sense to me. Where did they get that name from?

    *"Zimmer" is German for carpenter.

    *”Zimmer” is German for carpenter.

    ? — Zimmer means room, eg Hotelzimmer — for carpenter most German speakers would say Tischler — Tisch = table.

    Read More
    • Replies: @guest
    Yes, "zimmer" means room. I probably should have said "zimmerer."

    "Zimmerman" literally means "room man" or "room worker." What would that signify to you? Male maid? It's a German form of the English "Carpenter," trust me.

    I don't know if "zimmerer" is still used. "Tischler" or "schreiner" may be more common.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  150. @guest
    "Creepy" is already derogatory, so of course saying someone's more creepy than merely creepy would be derogatory, too.

    However, the way "ass" is used here wouldn't be derogatory if it weren't attached to "creepy." People in Rachel Jeantel's world say things like "that's a fine-ass car" or "she's a hot-ass female" (often followed by Nome Sane). In such cases, "ass" is complementary.

    It's a neutral word used for emphasis, attachable to virtually any modifier you may want to use. For instance, "Plato is a profound-ass philosopher." Or, "Beethoven's 9th is a transcendent-ass masterpiece."

    That was a great-ass comment.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  151. utu says:
    @guest
    No one stops to think about the fact that actually Nazis ate food. We now know they must have, otherwise they would've starved to death before war's end. But look in the history books, and despite the occasional dinner party at the Eagle's Nest in Berschtgaden there's nary a mention of dinner tables. No treatises on the repast habits of S.S. officers, and how monstrous it was that they digested while Jews died.

    Come to think of it, people don't dwell on Nazi bowel movements, either. Nor their respiration. Imagining their very heartbeats is sickening, yet necessary. Because monomania.

    people don’t dwell on Nazi bowel movements

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/recaps/14-04-2015/national-geographic-hitler-and-bulgarian-peasant-faeces-anyone/
    The description of Hitler’s stool sample in Hitler’s medical records is the film’s bombshell, as it were: “Dirty grey-brown, very thin and mushy.” Trying to heal Hitler’s “tummy troubles” in an early attempt at faecal replacement therapy, Morell gave Hitler a preparation called Mutaflor. Ah-ha! Had this been harvested from Bulgarian peasants? No. It consisted partly of bacteria extracted from the faeces of a German First World War soldier. Not a whiff of a Bulgarian peasant.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  152. Jack D says:
    @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    It means Jews benefit from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of “Nazis” and the anti-Semitic far-right benefits from grossly over-emphasizing the importance of Jews.
     
    Furthermore, the situations are by no means comparable. One side is correct; the other side is completely delusional.

    Jews have a tremendous amount of power in America, and play an enormous role in the media, entertainment, foreign policy, finance, academia, publishing, etc.

    It's pretty tough to "grossly over-emphasize" the importance of Jews in this country.

    But Nazis have less than zero power in America. They play no role whatsoever in the media, entertainment, foreign policy, finance, academia, publishing, etc.

    Yet Jews are always going on as if every institution in America is run by the Nazi Party.

    Yet Jews are always going on as if every institution in America is run by the Nazi Party.

    I realize you are exaggerating for emphasis but I don’t think that is true at all.

    I think what is true is that most Jews would like Nazism in America (everywhere) to be smothered in its cradle, BEFORE it is running every institution (0r even ANY institutions). Once it has gained a foothold it’s already too late. You don’t wait until the whole building is on fire before you get out the fire extinguisher. This is the big mistake that the US made against Islamism – it should have been killed off when it was still confined to a few crazy preachers, not before it became the ideology of millions. It might seem like overkill to loose the forces of the entire establishment against a pisher like Hovater but it’s the right thing to do.

    Those who say that they want an “open and honest discussion of Jewish power in America” or some such are like the Leftists who want to have a “conversation about race”. You don’t want an honest conversation at all – you want to be able to freely and publicly denounce Jews without consequences to yourself. And once you publicly identify Jews as “a problem” we know that this calls for a solution. Now in the American context the solution is unlikely (I hope and pray) to be violent but it would naturally involve cutting down on “Jewish power” one way or another – those who are calling for “discussion” don’t bother to hide this. If what you are saying is true and Jews have “excessive” power in America, then naturally they are not going to surrender this without a fight, nor do they have any obligation to give a “fair hearing” to Nazis in the institutions that they control any more than George Zimmerman should have allowed Trayvon to pound him into unconsciousness.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anon
    You don’t want an honest conversation at all – you want to be able to freely and publicly denounce Jews without consequences to yourself.

    Yeah, we do. Just like we can denounce every other group. Just like you and your tribe can denounce Muslims and Christians and whites all you want.

    And the more you try to shut us up, the more reasons you give us to denounce you.

    Maybe the best way for Jews to stop Nazism would be to stop acting in ways that make people want to become Nazis.
    , @anonymous

    … you want to be able to freely and publicly denounce Jews without consequences to yourself …
     
    hmm…

    Old joke: “Yes we have freedom of speech, Comrade. In Nazi Berlin you would be shot for denouncing Hitler on a public street but here in progressive and free Soviet city of Moscow you’re free to denounce Hitler anywhere you wish.”
     
    , @anon
    Who, whom?
    , @silviosilver

    Those who say that they want an “open and honest discussion of Jewish power in America” or some such are like the Leftists who want to have a “conversation about race”.
     
    It's not the same thing at all. Leftists won that battle a long time ago. Their beliefs about race are enshrined in law. Critics of Jewish influence have nothing like that.

    You don’t want an honest conversation at all – you want to be able to freely and publicly denounce Jews without consequences to yourself.
     
    I think it's fair to say most of us want the nature of Jewish influence to change - from rcially anti-white to some moderate degree of pro-white, but at least to neutral, and from culturally anti-west to pro-west.

    How is this change supposed to happen if people aren't aware that it needs to happen or why it needs to happen?
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  153. CK says:
    @anonymous
    Not when the editorial goal is obfuscation. I suspect that the sentence was, in fact, carefully edited.

    It can be quite revelatory to take articles like this, read them closely, and reverse engineer the fuzzy language, undefined terms, explicit and implicit assumptions, and other techniques that violate the rules of good composition. Awkward phrasing like the sentence in question, when subjected to the principles of good writing, often turns into what the NYT wants the reader NOT to realize. The editor's job is actually to make the writing worse.

    Reportage in Narrative Journalism is a subtle form of advocacy, analogous to a guileful lawyer's response in discovery or briefing to an inconvenient fact: hide it, and mislead with plausible deniability of any such intention. Lawyers, though, are supposed to favor their clients. So how do these journalists rationalize their efforts? "Truth > Fact"

    I concur. Writing that ambiguous has to be crafted with care.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  154. Forbes says:
    @ben tillman

    I’m repeating myself, but Saul Steinberg’s NewYorker cover from 1976, “The View From 9th Avenue” is ever more prescient.
     
    It's not prescient. It's enduring.

    Thank you, but I’ll stick with my own words. Prescient is apt as I meant it.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  155. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D

    Yet Jews are always going on as if every institution in America is run by the Nazi Party.
     
    I realize you are exaggerating for emphasis but I don't think that is true at all.

    I think what is true is that most Jews would like Nazism in America (everywhere) to be smothered in its cradle, BEFORE it is running every institution (0r even ANY institutions). Once it has gained a foothold it's already too late. You don't wait until the whole building is on fire before you get out the fire extinguisher. This is the big mistake that the US made against Islamism - it should have been killed off when it was still confined to a few crazy preachers, not before it became the ideology of millions. It might seem like overkill to loose the forces of the entire establishment against a pisher like Hovater but it's the right thing to do.

    Those who say that they want an "open and honest discussion of Jewish power in America" or some such are like the Leftists who want to have a "conversation about race". You don't want an honest conversation at all - you want to be able to freely and publicly denounce Jews without consequences to yourself. And once you publicly identify Jews as "a problem" we know that this calls for a solution. Now in the American context the solution is unlikely (I hope and pray) to be violent but it would naturally involve cutting down on "Jewish power" one way or another - those who are calling for "discussion" don't bother to hide this. If what you are saying is true and Jews have "excessive" power in America, then naturally they are not going to surrender this without a fight, nor do they have any obligation to give a "fair hearing" to Nazis in the institutions that they control any more than George Zimmerman should have allowed Trayvon to pound him into unconsciousness.

    You don’t want an honest conversation at all – you want to be able to freely and publicly denounce Jews without consequences to yourself.

    Yeah, we do. Just like we can denounce every other group. Just like you and your tribe can denounce Muslims and Christians and whites all you want.

    And the more you try to shut us up, the more reasons you give us to denounce you.

    Maybe the best way for Jews to stop Nazism would be to stop acting in ways that make people want to become Nazis.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  156. Steve, the highly-acclaimed, highly-skilled, LA-studio-ace drummer from Toto did, in fact, die in a bizzare gardening accident.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  157. Forbes says:
    @eah
    Why did this man...gravitate toward the furthest extremes of American political discourse?

    Yes, why oh why?! -- "LOL"

    Dying at mentally-ill shitlibs implying that the New York Times is full of crypto-Nazis.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPhMM7IW0AAaOlZ.jpg

    Apparently Nate Silver’s post-election paranoia that he didn’t understand Trump’s America has led him to think that the NYT is publishing a deeply sympathetic portrait of a white supremacist.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  158. @anon
    I, too, was partly radicalized in the issue of race by Trayvon-mania. The Narrative was so blatant and in-your-face that it “incensed” me.

    The Narrative was a big part of it, but don't disregard the reaction from the black community.

    By the time the photos of the back of Zimmerman's head came out, it was basically an open-and-shut case. But I literally didn't encounter a single black person who could understand that. It really wasn't that complicated, but every black person you talked to had some kind of argument about how, basically, if a white guy gets out of his car, black people are allowed to beat him to death, and the white guy just has to let himself get killed.

    It didn't really matter how smart they seemed. They all believed some variation of that. I don't know of a single exception.

    It was an eye-opener for a lot of people.

    An earlier eye-opener for whites with eyes to see was the reaction of black audiences to the O.J. Simpson verdict. It was beyond “relief for the acquittal of a falsely-accused defendant,” and much more a celebration of a Negro who killed two white people and got away with it.

    And there’s some kind of a monument in Ferguson, Missouri to Michael “hands up, don’t shoot,” Brown. It’s almost impossible to reason with Negroes.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  159. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Granted, he’s thoughtful by drummer standards, and hopefully he will move on to more mature ideas.
     
    As did Karen Carpenter and Phil Collins, both recovered drummers.

    But Tipper Gore never recovered. I blame nature.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  160. JimB says:
    @Anon
    In a legitimate marketplace of ideas, legacy media like the New York Times would be torn to shreds. The Washington Post and the major television networks right along with them. The owners of the major news outlets are well aware of this, which is why they fight tooth and nail to maintain what hegemony they still have, and why they continually vilify and caraciturize even potential opposition. Megaphone indeed.

    Before the rise of conservative media on the internet, the NYT and WaPo had no push-back. They were instrumental in demoralizing the American public during the Vietnam War and helping to drive President Nixon unjustly out of office, causing a collapse of the US economy and disaster for many loyal US allies. All along the NYT and WaPo have been an organ of the Democratic Party, filled with hatred for the middle-right leaning, mostly white middle class.

    They will never enjoy that level of influence again.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  161. D. K. says:
    @Anon
    Next time, just say "I agree."

    --from someone who has actually written for the NYT

    I was not agreeing. One agrees (or disagrees) with an assertion contained in a statement of fact, or in an expression of opinion. A question, by its very nature, does not make any such assertion. Steve’s question was accepting, merely for the sake of argument, an assertion that had been made. My reply to Steve was categorically rejecting that same assertion, based upon my own education, training and professional experience, as someone who made and countered arguments for a living, using the English language (and the occasional Latin phrase).

    It is a shame that “The New York Times” continues to hire writers who lack the necessary education (or else, the native intelligence) to grasp such things.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  162. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Jack D

    Yet Jews are always going on as if every institution in America is run by the Nazi Party.
     
    I realize you are exaggerating for emphasis but I don't think that is true at all.

    I think what is true is that most Jews would like Nazism in America (everywhere) to be smothered in its cradle, BEFORE it is running every institution (0r even ANY institutions). Once it has gained a foothold it's already too late. You don't wait until the whole building is on fire before you get out the fire extinguisher. This is the big mistake that the US made against Islamism - it should have been killed off when it was still confined to a few crazy preachers, not before it became the ideology of millions. It might seem like overkill to loose the forces of the entire establishment against a pisher like Hovater but it's the right thing to do.

    Those who say that they want an "open and honest discussion of Jewish power in America" or some such are like the Leftists who want to have a "conversation about race". You don't want an honest conversation at all - you want to be able to freely and publicly denounce Jews without consequences to yourself. And once you publicly identify Jews as "a problem" we know that this calls for a solution. Now in the American context the solution is unlikely (I hope and pray) to be violent but it would naturally involve cutting down on "Jewish power" one way or another - those who are calling for "discussion" don't bother to hide this. If what you are saying is true and Jews have "excessive" power in America, then naturally they are not going to surrender this without a fight, nor do they have any obligation to give a "fair hearing" to Nazis in the institutions that they control any more than George Zimmerman should have allowed Trayvon to pound him into unconsciousness.

    … you want to be able to freely and publicly denounce Jews without consequences to yourself …

    hmm…

    Old joke: “Yes we have freedom of speech, Comrade. In Nazi Berlin you would be shot for denouncing Hitler on a public street but here in progressive and free Soviet city of Moscow you’re free to denounce Hitler anywhere you wish.”

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  163. anon says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Jack D

    Yet Jews are always going on as if every institution in America is run by the Nazi Party.
     
    I realize you are exaggerating for emphasis but I don't think that is true at all.

    I think what is true is that most Jews would like Nazism in America (everywhere) to be smothered in its cradle, BEFORE it is running every institution (0r even ANY institutions). Once it has gained a foothold it's already too late. You don't wait until the whole building is on fire before you get out the fire extinguisher. This is the big mistake that the US made against Islamism - it should have been killed off when it was still confined to a few crazy preachers, not before it became the ideology of millions. It might seem like overkill to loose the forces of the entire establishment against a pisher like Hovater but it's the right thing to do.

    Those who say that they want an "open and honest discussion of Jewish power in America" or some such are like the Leftists who want to have a "conversation about race". You don't want an honest conversation at all - you want to be able to freely and publicly denounce Jews without consequences to yourself. And once you publicly identify Jews as "a problem" we know that this calls for a solution. Now in the American context the solution is unlikely (I hope and pray) to be violent but it would naturally involve cutting down on "Jewish power" one way or another - those who are calling for "discussion" don't bother to hide this. If what you are saying is true and Jews have "excessive" power in America, then naturally they are not going to surrender this without a fight, nor do they have any obligation to give a "fair hearing" to Nazis in the institutions that they control any more than George Zimmerman should have allowed Trayvon to pound him into unconsciousness.

    Who, whom?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  164. @Another Realist
    According to his Wiki profile, George Zimmerman's mother is Peruvian, with some African ancestry through her Afro-Peruvian maternal grandfather. His father is German-American. He identifies as "Hispanic" on his voter registration, is Catholic and a one time altar boy.

    If he were to achieve great success, or is even the victim of "police brutality", the NYT would I'm sure identify him as a Hispanic who is part black. But for a "murderer", only the half white part counts.

    How funny things are in this USA. I was in Mexico while ago, and checking the Newspapers, noticed their news. Pictures of Scandinavian looking guys with names like Armando Steinberg, was found dead at such and such place. then another photograph with another Germanic looking guy with his name and the one who shot Armando. I noticed the absence of any mention of race, or nationality. How different i thought, and then checked another paper, and the same thing. Here in the US, we are so preoccupied with race and ancestry that its the only noticeable thing we see. How sad. They should use names and what they did, I don’t care what color, or race, please MSM stop your BS! NO wonder we are migrating from the MSM and coming to sites like this, and others like Veteranstoday.com

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  165. J1234 says:

    Mr. Hovater (the article repeats his name over and over, likely in hopes that the reader will make the obvious deletion of the second and third letters) willingly takes part in the interview, not realizing that his purpose is merely to provide the little truths that the media can construct it’s large mythology with.

    To be fair, anyone who goes for the Nazi thing is not entirely connected to reality anyway. Regardless, his connection to Nazism, at whatever level it may or may not exist, is just the little truth that the author is looking for; Mr. Hater = Trump supporter. Or conservative. Or defender of Western Civilization, etc. His connection to race radicalism, at whatever it may or may not exist, negates race realism on moral grounds. Keep the discussion of race as emotional as possible, implies the media.

    In the end, this is just another journalist who’s utterly perplexed by a huge portion of the world (and it’s inhabitants) that surround him. So, if that world can’t be understood, it must be evil.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  166. syonredux says:
    @guest
    "'Creepy ass-cracker' would tend to support the idea that the sainted Trayvon was engaging in some gay bashing before he was shot"

    It would, but nobody talks like that. "Creepy-ass," on the other hand, is stereotypical ghetto-speak.

    The Gay Bashing Hypothesis is sustained by other parts of Jeantel's testimony. But she didn't say "ass-cracker," in my opinion.

    “‘Creepy ass-cracker’ would tend to support the idea that the sainted Trayvon was engaging in some gay bashing before he was shot”

    It would, but nobody talks like that. “Creepy-ass,” on the other hand, is stereotypical ghetto-speak.

    As a teen in the ’90s, I knew some Black guys who called gays “ass-creepers”…..

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  167. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    I've never heard the term "ass-cracker" used to refer to a gay person. I'm pretty hip to contemporary and later-than-1980 lingo. Is this an older term?

    --jeremiahjohnbalaya

    (ps. i loathe what the MSM did w/ that story)

    I’ve never heard the term “ass-cracker” used to refer to a gay person. I’m pretty hip to contemporary and later-than-1980 lingo. Is this an older term?

    I’ve never actually heard it, but it sounds plausible.As a teen in the ’90s, I knew some Black guys who called gays “ass-creepers”…..

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jack D
    America finds itself in sadly reduced circumstances if the national debate is whether the great public intellectual Rachel Jenteal (2nd only to Genius T. Coates) said "creepy-ass cracker" or "creepy ass-cracker" as if we were parsing Shakespeare. Nevertheless, "creepy-ass" (meaning extra creepy in Ebonics) and "cracker" meaning a white guy (Trayvon not having time to do sufficient genealogical research on Zimmerman to discern his mixed heritage) are terms known to linguistic science, while "ass-cracker" as a synonym for gay, is not.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  168. Forbes says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    His father is German-American.
     
    Does anybody know if it's "German-American" or "(((German)))-American"? I was under impression until today that Zimmerman's father was of Jewish ancestry, but Internet searching today mostly turned up websites saying, "ZIMMERMAN WAS A CATHOLIC ALTAR BOY. NOT JEWISH!!! REPEAT, NOT JEWISH!!!!!!"

    His father is German-American.

    The hyphenation is problematic. How many generations back do we need to search to discover where the German-American merger occurred. Was the father born in the US or Germany; if in the US, was the grandfather born in the US, or Germany? George is a multi-ethnic mutt, of course–so he can’t be white, despite the NYT. The complications are incessant. The situational ethics battles as between the one-drop rule and ethnic purity waged by the prog-left PC/SJW crowd are something to behold.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  169. midtown says:
    @Art Deco
    Have you had a look at the remarks of some of the characters who frequent Mr. Karlin's comboxes? There actually is a strand of opinion among Russian nationalists which self-medicates with narratives of contempt which, in turn, provide apologetics for conquering or mistreating neighboring countries. (The Ukraine and the Baltic states in particular). (No clue how common this is in Russia).

    Cannot help but note that there used to be over 200,000 Georgians in Abkhazia and now there are fewer than 50,000. Don't think the Abhkaz militias could have accomplished that without some help from the big bear. In other news in the Caucasus, Grozny was pretty much a parking lot when the Russian military got done with it. Nothing remotely like that happened in Ossetia, but the general point (that Russia can be right ugly in the Caucasus when it suits them) is true.

    Well, the Caucasus region is highly complex. There are wannabe breakaway regions all over, some somewhat legitimate and some not — but certainly more complex than “Russia invaded Georgia” out of the blue. And some of those poor Caucasians are utterly brutal in their own right.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Linguists will tell you that the Caucasus, like West Africa, pre-Columbian Northern California, and New Guinea, is such a polyglot thicket that even using the term "official language" would be seen as an act of war.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  170. Forbes says:
    @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPi7g9LUEAEFtCC.jpg

    Professional hate-monger? I imagine Greenblatt has far more zeros (to the left of the decimal point) on his paycheck than the zero Hovater receives for his “professional hate-mongering.”

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  171. Jack D says:
    @syonredux

    I’ve never heard the term “ass-cracker” used to refer to a gay person. I’m pretty hip to contemporary and later-than-1980 lingo. Is this an older term?
     
    I've never actually heard it, but it sounds plausible.As a teen in the ’90s, I knew some Black guys who called gays “ass-creepers”…..

    America finds itself in sadly reduced circumstances if the national debate is whether the great public intellectual Rachel Jenteal (2nd only to Genius T. Coates) said “creepy-ass cracker” or “creepy ass-cracker” as if we were parsing Shakespeare. Nevertheless, “creepy-ass” (meaning extra creepy in Ebonics) and “cracker” meaning a white guy (Trayvon not having time to do sufficient genealogical research on Zimmerman to discern his mixed heritage) are terms known to linguistic science, while “ass-cracker” as a synonym for gay, is not.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anon
    If Jews in the academy are the same ones who demanded "free speech" when it was a matter of promoting their ideas, they do have such an obligation.
    , @guest
    That's a debate the nation as a whole definitely isn't having. I'm sure the testimony of one Rachel Jeantel was forgotten by everyone outside the Dark Corners of the Internet immediately after she uttered it.

    The Dark Corners bother themselves over things beneath intellectual dignity often. Though in their defense, so do eggheads in the Ivory Tower.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  172. I’m unconvinced there is anything immature or otherwise cause to be dismissive of a drummer who plays hard rock or heavy metal (genres can be silly) yet also holds perfectly sensible ideas and an interest in writers of science fiction and libertarian academics.

    Neil Peart comes to mind immediately. Hardly a dimwitted oaf with silly aspirations in life.

    Phil Collins, Scott Rockenfeld, Eric Singer, Alan White, Bill Bruford, and many others would also fit the bill…. LOSERS.

    Notice the academics and writers, and their ideas, are unnamed, unexplored, and dismissively handwaved by the ostensible journalist. Hayek, Rand, Heinlein, Weber, Huxley, and Orwell probably among them. Yep, buncha creepy, vapid weirdos with preposterous ideas not worth exploring….

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  173. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    America finds itself in sadly reduced circumstances if the national debate is whether the great public intellectual Rachel Jenteal (2nd only to Genius T. Coates) said "creepy-ass cracker" or "creepy ass-cracker" as if we were parsing Shakespeare. Nevertheless, "creepy-ass" (meaning extra creepy in Ebonics) and "cracker" meaning a white guy (Trayvon not having time to do sufficient genealogical research on Zimmerman to discern his mixed heritage) are terms known to linguistic science, while "ass-cracker" as a synonym for gay, is not.

    If Jews in the academy are the same ones who demanded “free speech” when it was a matter of promoting their ideas, they do have such an obligation.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  174. guest says:
    @eah
    *”Zimmer” is German for carpenter.

    ? -- Zimmer means room, eg Hotelzimmer -- for carpenter most German speakers would say Tischler -- Tisch = table.

    Yes, “zimmer” means room. I probably should have said “zimmerer.”

    “Zimmerman” literally means “room man” or “room worker.” What would that signify to you? Male maid? It’s a German form of the English “Carpenter,” trust me.

    I don’t know if “zimmerer” is still used. “Tischler” or “schreiner” may be more common.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  175. guest says:
    @Jack D
    America finds itself in sadly reduced circumstances if the national debate is whether the great public intellectual Rachel Jenteal (2nd only to Genius T. Coates) said "creepy-ass cracker" or "creepy ass-cracker" as if we were parsing Shakespeare. Nevertheless, "creepy-ass" (meaning extra creepy in Ebonics) and "cracker" meaning a white guy (Trayvon not having time to do sufficient genealogical research on Zimmerman to discern his mixed heritage) are terms known to linguistic science, while "ass-cracker" as a synonym for gay, is not.

    That’s a debate the nation as a whole definitely isn’t having. I’m sure the testimony of one Rachel Jeantel was forgotten by everyone outside the Dark Corners of the Internet immediately after she uttered it.

    The Dark Corners bother themselves over things beneath intellectual dignity often. Though in their defense, so do eggheads in the Ivory Tower.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  176. Forbes says:
    @Jack Hanson
    I hope Peter Thiel shorts their stock and makes a windfall but I also suspect he knows that Twitter is likely propped up by US slush funds, and has the ability to remain irrational longer than he can stay solvent.

    Stocks like Twitter, who invent their own fundamental metrics (reach, impressions, etc.), are essentially race horses at the track, running against no other horses, with no finish line in sight. Those making speculative bets are akin to the blue-haired lady that place a bet because she likes the name of the horse. And the Twitter “horse” runs until it turns profitable, is acquired, or goes bankrupt.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  177. Forbes says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/934695273292496896

    He doesn’t see the irony in enforcing ideology in favor of his cause. Just the danger of enforcing the other guy’s ideology.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  178. @Jack D

    Yet Jews are always going on as if every institution in America is run by the Nazi Party.
     
    I realize you are exaggerating for emphasis but I don't think that is true at all.

    I think what is true is that most Jews would like Nazism in America (everywhere) to be smothered in its cradle, BEFORE it is running every institution (0r even ANY institutions). Once it has gained a foothold it's already too late. You don't wait until the whole building is on fire before you get out the fire extinguisher. This is the big mistake that the US made against Islamism - it should have been killed off when it was still confined to a few crazy preachers, not before it became the ideology of millions. It might seem like overkill to loose the forces of the entire establishment against a pisher like Hovater but it's the right thing to do.

    Those who say that they want an "open and honest discussion of Jewish power in America" or some such are like the Leftists who want to have a "conversation about race". You don't want an honest conversation at all - you want to be able to freely and publicly denounce Jews without consequences to yourself. And once you publicly identify Jews as "a problem" we know that this calls for a solution. Now in the American context the solution is unlikely (I hope and pray) to be violent but it would naturally involve cutting down on "Jewish power" one way or another - those who are calling for "discussion" don't bother to hide this. If what you are saying is true and Jews have "excessive" power in America, then naturally they are not going to surrender this without a fight, nor do they have any obligation to give a "fair hearing" to Nazis in the institutions that they control any more than George Zimmerman should have allowed Trayvon to pound him into unconsciousness.

    Those who say that they want an “open and honest discussion of Jewish power in America” or some such are like the Leftists who want to have a “conversation about race”.

    It’s not the same thing at all. Leftists won that battle a long time ago. Their beliefs about race are enshrined in law. Critics of Jewish influence have nothing like that.

    You don’t want an honest conversation at all – you want to be able to freely and publicly denounce Jews without consequences to yourself.

    I think it’s fair to say most of us want the nature of Jewish influence to change – from rcially anti-white to some moderate degree of pro-white, but at least to neutral, and from culturally anti-west to pro-west.

    How is this change supposed to happen if people aren’t aware that it needs to happen or why it needs to happen?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  179. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Cagey Beast
    Here it is for those of us who are a little slow. This is from a self-described "DC native, 5th generation (((New Yorker)))" who writes "mostly about Russia".

    A White non-liberal equals a Nazi for these nice folks. That's why we can never be trusted with self-government. That's why we need them to handle US relations with Russia and everything else.

    You can be the cuckiest supercuck from New Cuckholm, Wisconsin and still be a Nazi in waiting:

    https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/934511528161759232

    This is from a self-described “DC native, 5th generation (((New Yorker)))” who writes “mostly about Russia”.

    I just don’t understand why anybody wouldn’t like these people.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  180. @Anon
    It's obvious to any honest person that Jews have enormous power, as evidenced by their ability to wreck anyone who wants to talk about it. Someone who doesn't see this simply proves their intellectual dishonesty.

    Was I doing that? No I wasn’t. The problem with the “name the Jew!” crowd is that it’s all or nothing with them. We have to agree with every fever dream of everyone, everywhere or we’re “intellectually dishonest” at best.

    Read More
    • Agree: silviosilver
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  181. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Inquiring MInd
    Every white person I talked to on this topic was of the opinion that in getting out of the car, a legally defined "reasonable person" has the expectation of having one's head bounced against the cement. Furthermore, the only possible, conceivable reason for leaving the car while carrying a concealed firearm was to have one's head bashed in order to have an excuse to shoot someone dead.

    Every white person I talked to on this topic was of the opinion that in getting out of the car, a legally defined “reasonable person” has the expectation of having one’s head bounced against the cement.

    You need to hang out with a better class of white people then.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  182. Forbes says:
    @Cagey Beast
    A low cult of Lie Magic developed in the West after WW2. Political consultants and ad men became the "high priests of a low cult". People parroted "perception is reality", "sell the sizzle, not the steak", "we create our own reality" like they were wise words of holy men who could never steer you wrong.

    What's all this got to do with anything? It's that people who shriek at the sight of Nazis in their New York Times are terrified the Narrative is being irreparably defiled. They even fear the Alt Right may gain new powers just by being given access to one of the most holy sites of Lie Magic.

    According to some, it's the fault of the media that Trump was elected because they allowed him to sully their column inches and airwaves with his unclean spirit. If everyone had just held hands and concentrated on the Narrative, Trump would have dissolved into ectoplasm.

    It’s the same rationalization that the puddle of Facebook/Google ads by “Russians” supposedly influenced the election, in contrast to the oceans of money spent by Hillary. The tiniest of amounts will have an overwhelming impact (because it’s the only explanation I’m willing to entertain).

    Read More
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I hadn't thought of that but it sounds true. How much do the people going on about Russian interference in the 2016 election have this view of things: that even a tiny amount "curses" the whole thing? An interesting idea.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  183. @Forbes
    It's the same rationalization that the puddle of Facebook/Google ads by "Russians" supposedly influenced the election, in contrast to the oceans of money spent by Hillary. The tiniest of amounts will have an overwhelming impact (because it's the only explanation I'm willing to entertain).

    I hadn’t thought of that but it sounds true. How much do the people going on about Russian interference in the 2016 election have this view of things: that even a tiny amount “curses” the whole thing? An interesting idea.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  184. @Forbes

    SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) — President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday seeking to end sanctuary cities, that, in his words, “harbor illegal immigrants.”
     
    There's another way of looking at that construction. The use of the phrasing: "that, in his words," usually indicates what's to follow is a paraphrase, not a quotation--otherwise, an actual quote would be used. Additionally, since most media refuse to use the term "illegal immigrants," the implication is that irony quotes are in use with "harbor illegal immigrants," as the concept of harboring illegal immigrants doesn't exist (in media's view).

    Media spends an inordinate amount of time (irony quotes) "correcting" Trump as he veers off The Narrative, so they must re-impose The Narrative at every chance.

    Additionally, since most media refuse to use the term “illegal immigrants,” the implication is that irony quotes are in use with “harbor illegal immigrants,” as the concept of harboring illegal immigrants doesn’t exist (in media’s view)

    I may not have explained myself well, Forbes, but that’s what I meant too. The Lyin Press there wanted to imply that “harboring illegal immigrants” was NOT the normal definition of being a sanctuary city. So, these would not be scare quotes (by most people’s definition of that concept), but a way of setting another definition. However, what’s in quotes is the normal definition for people outside the Lyin’ Press and the cntrl-left types (some are lying and some are stupid – some are both).

    My examples were to show how stupid it sounds to do this type of writing construction for someone who is on to their tricks. Just as an iSteve example, imagine: Mr. Sailer writes about IQ quite often, which in his words “is a measure of the intelligence of individuals.”

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  185. @Svigor
    Mark-ass
    Busta-ass
    Bitch-ass
    Pussy-ass
    Sorry-ass

    OK, man, we got it. (I always did, even though the 2/3 hyphen location was kinda amusing.)

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  186. Art Deco says:
    @Inquiring MInd
    Every white person I talked to on this topic was of the opinion that in getting out of the car, a legally defined "reasonable person" has the expectation of having one's head bounced against the cement. Furthermore, the only possible, conceivable reason for leaving the car while carrying a concealed firearm was to have one's head bashed in order to have an excuse to shoot someone dead.

    They had their story and they were sticking to it. One thing the crew I argued with were resistant to doing was actually listening to the conversation he had with the dispatcher, which was quite mundane. The dispatcher gave him no instructions whatsoever, just a suggestion (“we don’t need you to do that”) offered after he’d left his truck. He got out of the truck to attempt to keep Martin in view after Martin had unaccountably run down an alley. (Which failed. He never caught sight of Martin again before Martin resurfaced and sucker-punched him). There’s no indication he looked for Martin at all. He headed down a walkway which ran to the next street over to check the street name (talking to the dispatcher the whole time), concluded the call to the dispatcher, and headed back on that walkway toward his truck. It appears he was loitering on said walkway. Perpendicular to the walkway was another walkway which ran down the alley. Opening on to the alley were the rear entrances of the townhouses on each side. Martin quite deliberately walked 75 yards up that alley from the rear door of the home of Brandi Green (Tracy Martin’s baby-mamma) to where Zimmerman was standing around waiting for the police to arrive.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  187. @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    Neither Carter nor Ford were demonized in the way any similar figure would be today.

    A ‘Jimmy Carter’ today would be mercilessly attacked for softness on the Confederate Flag Question, would no doubt be “Roy Moore’d” in multiple ways;
     

    Carter would have much bigger problems today than being soft on the Confederate flag. He was a Sunday School teacher at Plains Baptist Church, whose constitution explicitly barred blacks from attending or joining. This was widely reported on, and Carter's response was that he personally disagreed with barring blacks from the church. But he didn't quit the church, let alone condemn it.

    Forty years ago, teaching Sunday School at an openly racist church wasn't a dealbreaker for most white voters. It wasn't considered a big deal, as most whites attended churches that were all white, and they liked it that way. They didn't wish blacks any harm, but they wanted nothing to do with them in their personal lives.

    The last week of the 1976 campaign, a black preacher (who'd spend time in prison for not paying child support) announced that he would be at Plains Baptist Church on the Sunday two days before the election and demand to be let in. In response, the church simply called off services that day and padlocked the church. This was, again, widely reported, and Carter still won.

    Try to imagine that happening today.

    The last week of the 1976 campaign, a black preacher (who’d spend time in prison for not paying child support) announced that he would be at Plains Baptist Church on the Sunday two days before the election and demand to be let in.

    Valiant effort, Ford campaign! No, seriously, I’d never heard about that one, but the end of your story shows how decent and common-sensical a country we still had back then.

    I don’t think even the D-wing of The Party (whatever color they were on the TV – assuming you had a color set – that year) would have pulled wicked-ass tricks like that back 40 years ago, but I may be talking out my ass on that …

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  188. Art Deco says:
    @anon
    I'm not denying that there were white shitlibs who had the same point of view. Of course there were. But the thing about blacks is, there just wasn't one who could understand it. At least not that I ever saw. Not in articles, not in comments sections, nowhere.

    And obviously, there's the IQ gap. But frankly, the case wasn't that complicated. You'd think a fourth or so of blacks would at least be capable of understanding it. But I literally never saw one. Even the blacks that called themselves "conservative".

    1. They didn’t bother to check even gross and obvious details.

    2. When they did, their behavior was governed by the dysfunctional shame culture which has emerged in the black population in the last 60 years. They know the narrative is BS but they’re not going to tell you to your face it’s BS. See Tracy Martin’s initial reaction when he realized his son was missing: making inquiries over the phone to see if his son was in juvenile detention. (Recall TM was in Orlando because his fed-up mother in Miami had loaded him on a bus to Orlando and notified his father TM was on his way). Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton allowed themselves to be rendered paper dolls in the toy theatre set up by Ryan Julison and Benjamin Crump. Gov. Scott got snookered into turning the case over to Angela Corey, who was (a) unscrupulous as hell and (b) has a history of hostility to and abuse of people who defend themselves with firearms.

    3. The influence of the shame culture wasn’t decisive for some because they fancy blacks are an aristocratic stratum and have a franchise to beat up white peasants who irritate them (which, come to think of it, implicates a different honor culture). As noted, this is incorporated into the thinking of white liberals; the whites properly beat up are deemed low-class and deserving of it.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  189. @Cagey Beast
    Yes that's right. If people had been able to say on CNN and Fox News what is said here at unz.com, we wouldn't be in this mess where it takes total outsiders to do it. As it is, they get it wrong at least as often as they get it right.

    The closest thing we have is Tucker Carlson pointing out that “elite” don’t particularly care for the American people much, though Tucker is meticulous about avoiding the whole J thing.

    Read More
    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Benjaminl
    Unsurprisingly enough, Tucker's avoidance of that topic doesn't exactly win him any points on the Hysterical Left, although he obviously knows what to do to avoid being fired. Call it ... Overton-Window Antennae? I can't think of a catchy term for it, but Tucker has found a sweet spot where he arouses the Hate of the Haters, yet remains publicly employable.



    https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/03/mickey-kaus-quits-daily-caller-after-tucker-carlson-pulls-critical-fox-news-column-204135

    "It's pretty simple," Kaus said in an interview, "I wrote a piece attacking Fox for not being the opposition on immigration and amnesty -- for filling up the airwaves with reports on ISIS and terrorism, and not fulfilling their responsibility of being the opposition on amnesty and immigration.... I posted it at 6:30 in the morning. When I got up, Tucker had taken it down. He said, 'We can't trash Fox on the site. I work there.'"
     
    https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/04/27/why-neo-nazis-are-kvelling-over-tucker-carlson/216182

    Tucker Carlson’s takeover of Fox News’ 8 p.m. time slot has been greeted with cheers by his fans in the neo-Nazi, white nationalist, and misogynistic corners of the Internet.
     
    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/16/daily-caller-has-white-nationalist-problem

    But the white nationalist problem at Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller, a conservative political outlet launched in 2010 as a “response” to the Huffington Post, is bigger than just Kessler. Throughout the 2016 election and since, the Daily Caller has not only published the work of white nationalists, but some of its writers have routinely whitewashed the Alt-Right, while one editor there is an associate of key Alt-Right figures.
     
    http://www.newsweek.com/neo-nazi-david-duke-backed-meme-was-reported-tucker-carlson-without-context-714655
    IT'S OK TO BE WHITE: HOW FOX NEWS IS HELPING TO SPREAD NEO-NAZI PROPAGANDA

    https://forward.com/fast-forward/383876/tucker-carlsons-website-just-published-a-bizarre-anti-semitic-video/
    Tucker Carlson’s Website Just Published A Bizarre Anti-Semitic Video
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  190. Art Deco says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Here it is for those of us who are a little slow. This is from a self-described "DC native, 5th generation (((New Yorker)))" who writes "mostly about Russia".

    A White non-liberal equals a Nazi for these nice folks. That's why we can never be trusted with self-government. That's why we need them to handle US relations with Russia and everything else.

    You can be the cuckiest supercuck from New Cuckholm, Wisconsin and still be a Nazi in waiting:

    https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/934511528161759232

    It’s a reasonable wager that ‘David Klion’ is a pseudonym. Searches on White Pages, MyLife, Linkedin, and Ancestry turn up a dry hole. It’s very unusual that someone manages to live into middle age without ever landing in a public records dump or a city directory somewhere. Not my trade, but I think it’s unusual for publications to allow you to write under a pen name.

    He’s been a half dozen different places, including Al Jazeera, The Guardian, Foreign Policy, Salon, and World Politics Journal. If he actually did receive an MA from the University of Chicago, it’s a good guess that he was there a generation ago (when ‘Soviet History’ was still a subject). Were he some random knucklehead, you wouldn’t bother about it. It appears he’s a random knucklehead that liberal editors fancy is perfectly reasonable. The pen name suggests he has some sort of regular employment which would be threatened by his public writings. I’d be fascinated to know which government agency hired him to do just what.

    The sort of person who fancies Paul Ryan is a Nazi sympathizer is considered perfectly reasonable by the editor of Foreign Policy. The editor of Foreign Policy is, evidently, not someone you can converse with.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  191. @anon
    "Rosenberg" isn't always Jewish either as we know from Nuremburg Trials. The only Zimmerman I know is Jewish but most Jewish-sounding names are just German names that, for some reason or other, a lot of Jews have taken or been stuck with. It's interesting that Cat, Lion, Wolf, Fish, and Fox are often Jewish as are their German and Spanish equivalents, but not Bear or Dog.

    Baer and variants are very common Jewish names. I know four Baer families myself. Dog/hund is not common.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  192. @Chrisnonymous

    His father is German-American.
     
    Does anybody know if it's "German-American" or "(((German)))-American"? I was under impression until today that Zimmerman's father was of Jewish ancestry, but Internet searching today mostly turned up websites saying, "ZIMMERMAN WAS A CATHOLIC ALTAR BOY. NOT JEWISH!!! REPEAT, NOT JEWISH!!!!!!"

    IIRC the ADL issued a press release announcing that Michael Richards wasn’t Jewish, after his “N-word” scandal. Translation: He’s not one of us! He’s one of…them. Eww. Get him!

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  193. @pepperinmono
    It is a common joke among musicians that drummers as a group are none-too- bright.

    Steve’s comment about Trayvon’ s looks reminds me of a short joke I made up a few years ago.
    I thought it was great , but few thought it was very funny or even got it.
    You have to go back a few years to put it in proper time context.
    Here goes:

    Obama was on tv the other day .
    He said if his father were still alive, he would look just like Bill Cosby.

    Don’t quit my day job, huh!

    Q: What did the drummer get on his SAT test?
    A: DROOL!

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  194. @Inquiring MInd
    Every white person I talked to on this topic was of the opinion that in getting out of the car, a legally defined "reasonable person" has the expectation of having one's head bounced against the cement. Furthermore, the only possible, conceivable reason for leaving the car while carrying a concealed firearm was to have one's head bashed in order to have an excuse to shoot someone dead.

    And you don’t know how Donald Trump won last year, since no one you knew voted for him.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  195. @Cagey Beast
    Here it is for those of us who are a little slow. This is from a self-described "DC native, 5th generation (((New Yorker)))" who writes "mostly about Russia".

    A White non-liberal equals a Nazi for these nice folks. That's why we can never be trusted with self-government. That's why we need them to handle US relations with Russia and everything else.

    You can be the cuckiest supercuck from New Cuckholm, Wisconsin and still be a Nazi in waiting:

    https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/934511528161759232

    Girl number 4 in the front row is sexy. I will say this much for Republicans: they are generally better looking than Democrats.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  196. @Hunsdon
    Is it now de rigueur to refer to married women by Ms.?

    I realized earlier today that I have been remiss, I could not post a "like" to another comment. I shall attempt to remain au curuant with the posting requirements.

    I realized earlier today that I have been remiss, I could not post a “like” to another comment. I shall attempt to remain au curuant with the posting requirements.

    I cannot speak for others, but I know that I have missed you.

    BTW, for me, it has been months of consistent posting, but I still cannot do a damned Agree.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  197. @Reg Cæsar

    Granted, he’s thoughtful by drummer standards, and hopefully he will move on to more mature ideas.
     
    As did Karen Carpenter and Phil Collins, both recovered drummers.

    As did Karen Carpenter and Phil Collins, both recovered drummers.

    I’m not sure about Karen. Maybe it was that idiot real-estate husband she had that drove her to starvation, but maybe it was the drumming.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  198. @syonredux

    Had a convo tonight with family about how the entirety of the American experience is attributed to “white supremecy”.
     
    Wright Bros invent the aeroplane: White supremacy

    Poe invents the detective story: White supremacy

    Claude Shannon invents Information Theory: White supremacy

    Josiah Willard Gibbs develops Statistical Mechanics: White supremacy

    Robert Goddard invents the liquid-fueled rocket: White supremacy

    American history: it's White supremacy all the way down....

    American history: it’s White supremacy all the way down….

    Don’t tell the turtles. It would be cultural appropriation.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Don’t tell the turtles. It would be cultural appropriation
     
    Duluth's top musical act at the moment is Trampled By Turtles. They're coming out of their shell and are after us!

    The only other musical Duluth native that comes to mind is Lorenzo Music, who wrote "Home to Emily", the theme to The Bob Newhart Show, and later provided the voice of Garfield.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  199. @Hail
    This Shane Bauer turns out to be one of three non-Iranians with connections to the USA held captive in Iran in 2009-2011.

    So what's his motivation?

    Multiple choice:
    (A) Second-rate anti-White agitator of non-European-Christian origin, or
    (B) White Ethnomasochist

    Looking into his story, it turns out to be (B).

    Shane Bauer (born 1980 or '81) is a gentile according to Israeli media (in many pics he does look Jewish; are there actually Jews named Bauer [farmer]?). He was arrested for trespassing, illegal entry, and espionage in Iran in July 2009 with one companion of apparent American origin (a far-left radical, Sarah Shourd, born circa 1977; now married to Bauer) and a mysterious figure of Iraqi-Jewish origin. Bauer grew up in Onamia, Mille Lacs County, Minnesota. The county population in 2000 was 0.27% African American and 0.96% Hispanic...

    I’ve been assuming he’s jewish. Non-jewish leftist whites may hate white people but they still know that they themselves are white. Jews, at least the less cautious ones, hate white people with that palpable, visceral, ancestral hate that one only has toward “the other,” which is what we are to them.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  200. @Achmed E. Newman
    As a non-retired, non-attorney, with degrees in fields other than English or any of the humanities, which I obtained in order to get a real job, previous thereto during which I spent a small amount of time writing letters to the editor of our newspaper subsequent to being told by my lab instructor to never apply to a newspaper, I have found that the lack of experience at exhibit A, said newspaper for which I was hitherfore not employed at, my ability to avoid the run-on sentence has not been sufficiently inhibited.

    Ipso facto, yes, you are absolutely right.

    ;-} To paraphrase my favorite youtube commenter: I own nothing, please don't sue me!

    LOL!

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  201. @guest
    I, too, was partly radicalized in the issue of race by Trayvon-mania. The Narrative was so blatant and in-your-face that it "incensed" me. Which prepared me for reading Jared Taylor's White Identity,which "woke" me to Race Realism. Good going, Narrative. That's how you lost me.

    (Admittedly, I was already racist by then-Current Year standards, and I had already drifted through the conservative, libertarian, anti-war, and paleoconservative movements. So I wasn't a badthink virgin.)

    Admittedly, I was already racist by then-Current Year standards

    You are behind the times. If you are not a PoC, you are racist. Maybe if you are a non-PoC LBQTqwerty you might not be, but the jury is still out.

    You don’t have to be woke to be condemned.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  202. @Steve Sailer
    Professor Bill Martin at Rice U. was friends with Frank Beard, the guy without the beard in ZZ Top.

    A historian friend of mine was the son of a famous jazz drummer.

    Okay, so what is their IQ?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  203. @kaganovitch
    I went to yeshiva with a guy named Bauer, so yes there are Jewish Bauers.

    I went to yeshiva with a guy named Bauer, so yes there are Jewish Bauers.

    Yes, but do any of them farm?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  204. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Its not what you are. Its what they say you are. A White person who doesn’t embrace “diversity” and his racial replacement is a “fascist”.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  205. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    American history: it’s White supremacy all the way down….
     
    Don't tell the turtles. It would be cultural appropriation.

    Don’t tell the turtles. It would be cultural appropriation

    Duluth’s top musical act at the moment is Trampled By Turtles. They’re coming out of their shell and are after us!

    The only other musical Duluth native that comes to mind is Lorenzo Music, who wrote “Home to Emily”, the theme to The Bob Newhart Show, and later provided the voice of Garfield.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    No love for Low ? For shame !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZpx6kJCqg8
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  206. @midtown
    Well, the Caucasus region is highly complex. There are wannabe breakaway regions all over, some somewhat legitimate and some not -- but certainly more complex than "Russia invaded Georgia" out of the blue. And some of those poor Caucasians are utterly brutal in their own right.

    Linguists will tell you that the Caucasus, like West Africa, pre-Columbian Northern California, and New Guinea, is such a polyglot thicket that even using the term “official language” would be seen as an act of war.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  207. Benjaminl says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    The closest thing we have is Tucker Carlson pointing out that "elite" don't particularly care for the American people much, though Tucker is meticulous about avoiding the whole J thing.

    Unsurprisingly enough, Tucker’s avoidance of that topic doesn’t exactly win him any points on the Hysterical Left, although he obviously knows what to do to avoid being fired. Call it … Overton-Window Antennae? I can’t think of a catchy term for it, but Tucker has found a sweet spot where he arouses the Hate of the Haters, yet remains publicly employable.

    [MORE]

    https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/03/mickey-kaus-quits-daily-caller-after-tucker-carlson-pulls-critical-fox-news-column-204135

    “It’s pretty simple,” Kaus said in an interview, “I wrote a piece attacking Fox for not being the opposition on immigration and amnesty — for filling up the airwaves with reports on ISIS and terrorism, and not fulfilling their responsibility of being the opposition on amnesty and immigration…. I posted it at 6:30 in the morning. When I got up, Tucker had taken it down. He said, ‘We can’t trash Fox on the site. I work there.’”

    https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/04/27/why-neo-nazis-are-kvelling-over-tucker-carlson/216182

    Tucker Carlson’s takeover of Fox News’ 8 p.m. time slot has been greeted with cheers by his fans in the neo-Nazi, white nationalist, and misogynistic corners of the Internet.

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/16/daily-caller-has-white-nationalist-problem

    But the white nationalist problem at Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller, a conservative political outlet launched in 2010 as a “response” to the Huffington Post, is bigger than just Kessler. Throughout the 2016 election and since, the Daily Caller has not only published the work of white nationalists, but some of its writers have routinely whitewashed the Alt-Right, while one editor there is an associate of key Alt-Right figures.

    http://www.newsweek.com/neo-nazi-david-duke-backed-meme-was-reported-tucker-carlson-without-context-714655

    IT’S OK TO BE WHITE: HOW FOX NEWS IS HELPING TO SPREAD NEO-NAZI PROPAGANDA

    https://forward.com/fast-forward/383876/tucker-carlsons-website-just-published-a-bizarre-anti-semitic-video/

    Tucker Carlson’s Website Just Published A Bizarre Anti-Semitic Video

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  208. Benjaminl says:
    @ben tillman

    But, there again, neither Mr Sailer nor I have the IQ of a rock drummer.
     
    I know two rock drummers. One is a lawyer with a 145 IQ. The other is a wealthy real estate .mogul and also has a 145 IQ. What drummers have in common is not stupidity; it is hearing loss.

    Sorry to go off-topic, but how do you know their IQs? Not doubting you, I’ve just wondered for a while about how you estimate IQs without looking at IQ test results.

    For example, can anyone estimate the IQs of people such as Samuel Huntington, Charles Murray, Greg Cochran, Barack Obama, Steven Pinker, John Derbyshire, Amy Wax, etc. Just something I’m curious about.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Derbyshire was taking examinations (in mathematics) at one of the components of the University of London during the period running from 1963 to 1966. I think he got a '3d class' degree. At the time, university education (as opposed to polytechnic education or trade-school education) scooped up perhaps 5% of a typical age cohort. Barack Obama took the LSAT, blind-graded examinations at Harvard Law School, and the Illinois Bar exam. I think the tests would be raw material for an assessment.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  209. Anon87 says:
    @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPi7g9LUEAEFtCC.jpg

    On the other hand when it comes to sex and gender, always treat abnormal as normal.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  210. @ben tillman
    That's not how our language works. It cannot be read that way.

    That’s not how our language works. It cannot be read that way.

    A language works in lots of ways, which will vary according to the user. The sentence can be read in the way that El Dato suggests. Whether it should be read in that way partly depends upon context and the perceived intentions of the writer.

    If I had written the same sentence I would have used quotation marks around “the white man who shot the black teenager” to make the tone and intention clearer.

    If one imagines the same sentence being composed by Steve Sailer, as part of one of his blog pieces, how many people here would doubt that he was being subtly ironic in conveying the meaning that El Dato describes. And he could do so without quotation marks to signpost his intention.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  211. @Reg Cæsar

    Don’t tell the turtles. It would be cultural appropriation
     
    Duluth's top musical act at the moment is Trampled By Turtles. They're coming out of their shell and are after us!

    The only other musical Duluth native that comes to mind is Lorenzo Music, who wrote "Home to Emily", the theme to The Bob Newhart Show, and later provided the voice of Garfield.

    No love for Low ? For shame !

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  212. Art Deco says:
    @Benjaminl
    Sorry to go off-topic, but how do you know their IQs? Not doubting you, I've just wondered for a while about how you estimate IQs without looking at IQ test results.

    For example, can anyone estimate the IQs of people such as Samuel Huntington, Charles Murray, Greg Cochran, Barack Obama, Steven Pinker, John Derbyshire, Amy Wax, etc. Just something I'm curious about.

    Derbyshire was taking examinations (in mathematics) at one of the components of the University of London during the period running from 1963 to 1966. I think he got a ’3d class’ degree. At the time, university education (as opposed to polytechnic education or trade-school education) scooped up perhaps 5% of a typical age cohort. Barack Obama took the LSAT, blind-graded examinations at Harvard Law School, and the Illinois Bar exam. I think the tests would be raw material for an assessment.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  213. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    As it is, they get it wrong at least as often as they get it right.
     
    No, they don't. When "far right" types talk about Jewish influence, they're usually right. Certainly far more often than they're wrong.

    Unfortunately this issue attracts a lot of people who are simply crazy. If you try to debate (say) lowering the level of U.S. financial support to Israel, the discussion will soon fill with people calling for all Jews to be killed. It’s predictable as clockwork.

    The Jewish issue should be discussed in private among trusted parties. Public discussion of the issue will always generate more heat than light.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    The ratio of American aid to Israel's gross national income has declined by 90% over the last 30 years and the aid could now be withdrawn with only modest economic disruption. That Israel's been incrementally weaned off American aid is something the complainers do not notice. I've yet to encounter one who had an opinion about how the aid was actually used, so there would not be much of a point discussing whether or not it should be 'reduced'.

    There is no 'Jewish issue' Some people have a pre-occupation with Jews and attribute to them all sorts of psi power over politicians.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  214. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous
    Unfortunately this issue attracts a lot of people who are simply crazy. If you try to debate (say) lowering the level of U.S. financial support to Israel, the discussion will soon fill with people calling for all Jews to be killed. It's predictable as clockwork.

    The Jewish issue should be discussed in private among trusted parties. Public discussion of the issue will always generate more heat than light.

    The ratio of American aid to Israel’s gross national income has declined by 90% over the last 30 years and the aid could now be withdrawn with only modest economic disruption. That Israel’s been incrementally weaned off American aid is something the complainers do not notice. I’ve yet to encounter one who had an opinion about how the aid was actually used, so there would not be much of a point discussing whether or not it should be ‘reduced’.

    There is no ‘Jewish issue’ Some people have a pre-occupation with Jews and attribute to them all sorts of psi power over politicians.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
Current Commenter says:

Leave a Reply - Comments are moderated by iSteve, at whim.


 Remember My InformationWhy?
 Email Replies to my Comment
Submitted comments become the property of The Unz Review and may be republished elsewhere at the sole discretion of the latter
Subscribe to This Comment Thread via RSS Subscribe to All Steve Sailer Comments via RSS
PastClassics
The unspoken statistical reality of urban crime over the last quarter century.
The “war hero” candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam.
The major media overlooked Communist spies and Madoff’s fraud. What are they missing today?
What Was John McCain's True Wartime Record in Vietnam?