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From New York magazine:

The Duke Lacrosse Scandal and the Birth of the Alt-Right

April 14, 2017 1:18 p.m.

By Reeves Wiedeman

It’s mostly devoted to trying to tie Stephen Miller to Richard Spencer, who were both at Duke U. during that hoax that so exemplified what Tom Wolfe had called two decades before in The Bonfire of the Vanities the “mania for the Great White Defendant.”

The article is pretty interesting from a Sapir-Whorf perspective. It treats the hoax not as one representative of a long string of hate hoaxes going back to Tawana Brawley a few weeks after Bonfire was published. Rather than a “hoax,” it is viewed as a unique scandal.

The word hoax only appears five times in the article, each time in a quote from a conservative. In sharp contrast, the word scandal appears in the headline and about ten other times, never in quotes. Most of the time the events are referred to as the lacrosse scandal, so that you can tell whose scandal it really was: not the black stripper/murderer’s, or the abusive prosecutor’s, nor the 88 leftist Duke professors’. Instead, it was a lacrosse scandal. Here’s the real scandal according to the article:

… the case’s collapse made it more difficult to address the issues — privilege, jock culture, the university’s poor relations with neighboring Durham — that much of the campus agreed needed reckoning with. The players were declared innocent, legally speaking, but …

The real scandal is those Haven Monahans.

 
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  1. The players were innocent only in the narrow sense that they did not commit the crimes they were accused of.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Guilt and innocence are white bourgeois concepts. There's truth and then there's "greater truth". Even though the Duke players were factually innocent, on a higher plane they were guilty of being racist, sexist pigs and so it was a mere unfortunate detail that they were not guilty of the particular acts they were accused of. This set back the cause of social justice, which is much more important than if a bunch of white boys go to jail for a crime that they didn't commit.

    Justice has advanced greatly since the Duke Lacrosse "scandal". Now in order to be a class enemy you don't even have to be a real person. Just ask Haven Monahan.

    Actually it's better to make false accusations against fictional characters - there's no way for them to sue you or get you disbarred.
    , @NeonBets

    The players were innocent only in the narrow sense that they did not commit the crimes they were accused of.

     

    AKA 'Original Sin'.

    But how can I rid myself of this awful sin?
    Baptism in the Holy Waters of Progressive Goodness. Then, spread the 'Good News' of repentance via SJW condemnation.

    And always remember my Son, there are imposters among us! Be prepared to show your bona-fides.

    The 10 Commandments:
    1....
    2....
    3 Thou Shalt not Consume Meat---It's bad for Climate Change.
    4....
    , @anonymous
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    "Legally speaking."
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  2. Reeves Wiedeman

    Isn’t that Roissy/Heartiste’s last name?

    Wonder if there is any relation.

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  3. The players were declared innocent, legally speaking, but …

    Sorry dude, you’ve got the wrong country.

    Single jeopardy is plenty.

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  4. “But” has become a leftist word. The Bush memos were fake BUT accurate. The First Amendment protects speech BUT not hate speech. Free speech for me BUT not for thee. But is the sure marker of leftist double standards.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    But is the sure marker of leftist double standards.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD56sEdUKZY
    , @Anon
    “But” has become a leftist word. The Bush memos were fake BUT accurate. The First Amendment protects speech BUT not hate speech. Free speech for me BUT not for thee. But is the sure marker of leftist double standards.


    Maybe Progs ought to be called But-Plugs. They plug 'but' into everything.
  5. @Jack D
    "But" has become a leftist word. The Bush memos were fake BUT accurate. The First Amendment protects speech BUT not hate speech. Free speech for me BUT not for thee. But is the sure marker of leftist double standards.

    But is the sure marker of leftist double standards.

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  6. @ThinkLikeA1L
    The players were innocent only in the narrow sense that they did not commit the crimes they were accused of.

    Guilt and innocence are white bourgeois concepts. There’s truth and then there’s “greater truth”. Even though the Duke players were factually innocent, on a higher plane they were guilty of being racist, sexist pigs and so it was a mere unfortunate detail that they were not guilty of the particular acts they were accused of. This set back the cause of social justice, which is much more important than if a bunch of white boys go to jail for a crime that they didn’t commit.

    Justice has advanced greatly since the Duke Lacrosse “scandal”. Now in order to be a class enemy you don’t even have to be a real person. Just ask Haven Monahan.

    Actually it’s better to make false accusations against fictional characters – there’s no way for them to sue you or get you disbarred.

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  7. This is the third article about Stephen Miller I’ve seen in two days. I guess he’s next on the media’s hit list. They’ll be back around to Sessions in no time.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    This is the third article about Stephen Miller I’ve seen in two days. I guess he’s next on the media’s hit list.
     
    Miller's an arch-Thoughtcriminal:

    Miller grew up in a liberal-leaning Jewish family in Santa Monica, California.[1] Though his parents were Democrats, Miller became a conservative after reading Guns, Crime, and Freedom, a book by National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre.[2] While attending Santa Monica High School, Miller began appearing on conservative talk radio.[2] In 2002, at the age of sixteen, Miller wrote a letter to the editor of the Santa Monica Lookout, criticizing his school's pacifist response to 9/11 in which he stated that "Osama Bin Laden would feel very welcome at Santa Monica High School."[2][3] Miller invited conservative activist David Horowitz to speak, first at the high school and later at Duke University, and afterwards denounced the fact that neither of the centers would authorize the event.[2] Miller was in the habit of "riling up his fellow [high school] classmates with controversial statements"[4] and telling Latino students to speak only English.[4][5][6]
    In 2007,[7] Miller received his bachelor's degree from Duke University, majoring in political science.[2] Miller served as president of the Duke chapter of Horowitz's Students for Academic Freedom and wrote conservative columns for the school newspaper. Miller gained national attention for his defense of the students who were wrongly accused of rape in the Duke lacrosse case.[2][8] While attending Duke University, Miller accused the poet Maya Angelou of "racial paranoia" and described student organization Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán (MEChA) as a "radical national Hispanic group that believes in racial superiority.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)
    , @Chrisnonymous
    They just haven't figured out yet that all they have to do is concoct a plausible reason that Miller made little Ivanka cry and it's curtains.
  8. I suspect that Trump will end up making the concept of the “hate hoax” common parlance through a future episode of Trump’s luck.

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    • Replies: @Hail
    Take it one step up to

    Atrocity Hoax

    They've been known to happen.
    , @donut
    Trump is no position to bring up hoaxes .
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    … the case’s collapse made it more difficult to address the issues

    I’d like to propose a martingale strategy for social justice narrative maintenance:

    Betting and losing all our money and reputation on the absolute best example we could find of a thing existing only proves that we must work twice as hard at asserting the thing’s existence, so that when we can discover it for real in the next round we can recoup our losses.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Sabrina Erdely beat you to it. Time to QUADRUPLE down with Alicia Machado. Oops, that didn't work so we have to OCTUPLE our bet on the next round. Why don't we stake it on Mike Pence being evil because he doesn't date women like Bill Clinton - that's the ticket!

    BTW, where have all the Trump sex scandals been since election day? I haven't heard a peep. Alicia Machado has fallen off the face of the earth. She doesn't appear to be Hillary's best friend any more - I'll bet she won't even take her phone calls. It's almost as if this stuff was drummed up just in order to win the election and Hillary Clinton doesn't really give a damn about a fat trashy Hispanic beauty queen that her husband would have bedded back in the day when his organs were working better.
    , @Desiderius

    we can discover it for real in the next round we can recoup our losses.
     
    When you're done with that you can help OJ find the real killers.
    , @Clark Westwood

    Betting and losing all our money and reputation on the absolute best example we could find of a thing existing only proves that we must work twice as hard at asserting the thing’s existence, so that when we can discover it for real in the next round we can recoup our losses.
     
    When Prophecy Fails

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
    , @Jim
    The collapse of the case against the Salem Witchcraft defendants has made it difficult to address the threat that witchcraft poses to our society.
  10. “Some of my most skeptical and radical friends still harbor shame that they thought these men were guilty,” Shadee Malaklou, a classmate of Miller’s who is now a professor at Beloit College, said.

    Who are these friends? What are their names? Show me their public apologies.

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Just wait till money starts flowing to something other than The (established) Long March Through The Institutions.

    This chick will be among those lining up to supply names and addresses faster than you can say "tenure granted."

    Not that I expect they actually exist outside of her imagination and rhetoric. But that itself underscores my expectation that we will start to see any day now references by younger SJWs to Transformational Critical Studies.

    Or something so obtusely labeled I can't imagine it during a field work break. I.e., the process by which career SJWs assay to present themselves as less at utter odds with Generation Y or whatever they're calling the up-and-coming young trads/righties who are deciding either to forego college...or attend it in Pushback Mode.

    This may supply a clue in her case:


    M. Shadee Malaklou's research reads Frantz Fanon’s Black Skin, White Masks (1952) as a gender studies text to chart a contrapuntal relationship between sexuality, antiblackness, and social and political constructions of time. She intervenes in popular visual media like reality television to interrogate how time moves and for whom to catalog desire and identification as taxonomy and type. Her preferred gender pronouns are she/her.
     
    https://www.beloit.edu/criticalidstudies/faculty/

    She intervenes to interrogate and catalogue/identify taxonomy and type.

    That's the type who signs up for curating Room 101 no matter who's in charge. When you parse their SJWspeak, you find that they know and openly admit that.

  11. @O'Really
    I suspect that Trump will end up making the concept of the "hate hoax" common parlance through a future episode of Trump's luck.

    Take it one step up to

    Atrocity Hoax

    They’ve been known to happen.

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  12. Someone find Jared Kushner’s reactions, at the time, to the Duke case.

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    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    Jared Kushner hired Jamie Gorelick in 2016 to advise him "how to comply with federal anti-nepotism and ethics laws" as he considered a possible role in the White House.

    Jamie Gorelick is a long-time mouthpiece for the ruling elite. Her roles have ranged from to co-authoring the 2006 9/11 Commission Report (which managed to omit entirely the bizarre fate of WTC 7) to serving on the board of I-Steve's favorite foundation: The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.

    She awarded TNC the "genius" grant.

    Why is she relevant to your question?

    Because Duke University hired her to defend them against the defamation lawsuits filed by the lacrosse team players.

    She quit after the judge let the lawsuit proceed.

    So, of all the lawyers Jared Kushner could have consulted with, he chose the shill (shrill?) for Duke and against the players.

    Does that answer your question?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick
    , @Broski
    Kushner appears to represent everything Trump's base despises in the globalist monoparty. Ivanka as well, if in a more attractive package.

    It's too bad, but I think the Trumps' genetic merger with the international bankers* is having an effect on the patriarch's calculation of self interest.

    The Clintons also merged their posterity to the international bankers, so revealed preferences have something to say about current power dynamics.

    *Joking, sort of
  13. Creation myths used to be more inspiring, why can’t those derivative alties dream bigger? Is the New York magazine a farm club in the NY Times system, or is it just something in the water in Manhattan?

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    • Replies: @guest
    I was thinking asking people like this to discover the origins of the alt-right is like asking Hitler to write a history of communism. But that's not right, because Hitler's book would be a gas to read, full of Blood Libels. This is merely inaccurate.
    , @Anonymous
    It's strange but it seems like all corporate media is aboard this bandwagon now.

    I can't explain it, but things just shifted - and quite quickly. I'm not sure if there was some co-ordinated push in this direction or perhaps just a generational change in the staff at these media outlets? Even leftwing newspapers seemed to have a different focus and tone not so long ago.

    It's a fascinating thing to witness. It's also a bit scary to think where this is all leading.
  14. Richard Spencer – the gift that keeps on giving.

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    • Troll: Amasius
    • Replies: @guest
    Associating Spencer with the Duke "scandal" only makes him look better. It's almost as if NYM is trying to rehabilitate his image.

    If I were them I'd memoryhole the whole thing. You don't want people thinking back to it the next time a Hate Hoax inevitably happens. They might start Noticing a pattern.

    , @Desiderius
    You two should get a room.

    One more Spencer comment and you're going on ignore.
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    You are attacking and trashing Richard Spencer for doing what the Jews and the nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc does everyday...365 days a year:open and explicit racial identity politics.

    Perhaps you can tell us when it would be a good time for Native Born White Americans to be as open and explicit in their racial identity politics as Jews and nonwhites are.


    What you offer is policy wonk surrender...at a time when the Democratic Party openly expresses genocidal intent towards Native Born White American Males...It is no exageration to state this....


    DC Immigration Reform Policy Wonk Groups are cucked losers...who won't even mention the fact that White Folks exist and have legitimate racial interests....They just beg for $$$ with arguments about how nonwhite legal immigrants are being harmed by nonwhite legal immigrants.


    Steve

    Let my post go through...for I have had it with the crybaby cuck Opinionator.
    , @Jasper Been
    Dude, you've made some great comments in the past BUT now your fixation on Spencer is becoming the same as Hillary voters blaming "Russia!" for their candidates' loss.
  15. @O'Really
    I suspect that Trump will end up making the concept of the "hate hoax" common parlance through a future episode of Trump's luck.

    Trump is no position to bring up hoaxes .

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  16. My main thought about the “scandal” continues to be that Duke really should have higher admission standards. Even if those dopey lacrossers couldn’t figure a better way to hire strippers than googling “Raleigh-Durham + stripper,” any moron should know enough to pay those two to go away upon seeing them.

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  17. @Anonymous

    ... the case’s collapse made it more difficult to address the issues
     
    I'd like to propose a martingale strategy for social justice narrative maintenance:

    Betting and losing all our money and reputation on the absolute best example we could find of a thing existing only proves that we must work twice as hard at asserting the thing's existence, so that when we can discover it for real in the next round we can recoup our losses.

    Sabrina Erdely beat you to it. Time to QUADRUPLE down with Alicia Machado. Oops, that didn’t work so we have to OCTUPLE our bet on the next round. Why don’t we stake it on Mike Pence being evil because he doesn’t date women like Bill Clinton – that’s the ticket!

    BTW, where have all the Trump sex scandals been since election day? I haven’t heard a peep. Alicia Machado has fallen off the face of the earth. She doesn’t appear to be Hillary’s best friend any more – I’ll bet she won’t even take her phone calls. It’s almost as if this stuff was drummed up just in order to win the election and Hillary Clinton doesn’t really give a damn about a fat trashy Hispanic beauty queen that her husband would have bedded back in the day when his organs were working better.

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    • Replies: @bored identity



    "...When his organs were working better..."

     

    Being so knowledgeable about Slick Willy's anatomy, stamina, and general health condition could be detrimental to your own health, Tdzak ....


    Thread carefully.

    Commentariat still needs you.
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    Bugger that.

    I want to know what has happened to all the information on Anthony Weiner's laptop.

    Nobody talks about it much these days.
  18. “The lacrosse players were eventually acquitted, ten years ago this week.” Thus begins the fifth paragraph, an absolute lie.

    The players were not “acquitted,” which would mean there was a trial and a verdict. NEVER HAPPENED. The North Carolina Attorney General, Roy Cooper, tossed out the case after a lengthy investigation and declared the players innocent.

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  19. @Nope
    This is the third article about Stephen Miller I've seen in two days. I guess he's next on the media's hit list. They'll be back around to Sessions in no time.

    This is the third article about Stephen Miller I’ve seen in two days. I guess he’s next on the media’s hit list.

    Miller’s an arch-Thoughtcriminal:

    Miller grew up in a liberal-leaning Jewish family in Santa Monica, California.[1] Though his parents were Democrats, Miller became a conservative after reading Guns, Crime, and Freedom, a book by National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre.[2] While attending Santa Monica High School, Miller began appearing on conservative talk radio.[2] In 2002, at the age of sixteen, Miller wrote a letter to the editor of the Santa Monica Lookout, criticizing his school’s pacifist response to 9/11 in which he stated that “Osama Bin Laden would feel very welcome at Santa Monica High School.”[2][3] Miller invited conservative activist David Horowitz to speak, first at the high school and later at Duke University, and afterwards denounced the fact that neither of the centers would authorize the event.[2] Miller was in the habit of “riling up his fellow [high school] classmates with controversial statements”[4] and telling Latino students to speak only English.[4][5][6]
    In 2007,[7] Miller received his bachelor’s degree from Duke University, majoring in political science.[2] Miller served as president of the Duke chapter of Horowitz’s Students for Academic Freedom and wrote conservative columns for the school newspaper. Miller gained national attention for his defense of the students who were wrongly accused of rape in the Duke lacrosse case.[2][8] While attending Duke University, Miller accused the poet Maya Angelou of “racial paranoia” and described student organization Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán (MEChA) as a “radical national Hispanic group that believes in racial superiority.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)

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    • Replies: @Jack D

    Miller ....described student organization Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán (MEChA) as a “radical national Hispanic group that believes in racial superiority".
     
    Miller also described water as "wet".
    , @bored identity
    Wrong and ...wrong.


    Miller Lite just recently declared his unconditional dissawoment from Bannonism. ( aka "Bunyanism"?)


    Stephen's d-fens spiel went something like this:

    "Will be focusing on a health care, and other moar important issues that hurt Amorica's underbelly ..."

    Don't hold your breath for Stephen's 'epur si muove' moment of honest introspection.

    He's a way too young and a way too smart to bother himself with a guilt trips to nowhere.


    Good for Amerikva, but not so much for you and me.


    bored prediction:

    Sessions is the next Domino That Could.
  20. @Ivy
    Creation myths used to be more inspiring, why can't those derivative alties dream bigger? Is the New York magazine a farm club in the NY Times system, or is it just something in the water in Manhattan?

    I was thinking asking people like this to discover the origins of the alt-right is like asking Hitler to write a history of communism. But that’s not right, because Hitler’s book would be a gas to read, full of Blood Libels. This is merely inaccurate.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    But that’s not right, because Hitler’s book would be a gas to read, full of Blood Libels. This is merely inaccurate.
     
    Dude, if you don't think the NY Times is chock full of blood libels about declasse* Americans you're not paying attention.

    When they say white they don't mean all whites, but nor do they mean only whites. If you're not down with the program, doesn't matter how brown you are.

    , @Lurker

    Hitler’s book would be a gas to read, full of Blood Libels
     
    I don't know, I suspect it would be more accurate than not.
    , @Kylie
    "...Hitler’s book would be a gas to read, full of Blood Libels."

    I see what you did there.
  21. @Opinionator
    Richard Spencer - the gift that keeps on giving.

    Associating Spencer with the Duke “scandal” only makes him look better. It’s almost as if NYM is trying to rehabilitate his image.

    If I were them I’d memoryhole the whole thing. You don’t want people thinking back to it the next time a Hate Hoax inevitably happens. They might start Noticing a pattern.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    But how does it make Miller look? Imagine how this article reads without Spencer in it.

    (Moreover, the interview further evidences Spencer's tin ear and foot-in-mouth propensity. He seems to lack the capacity to learn. Given yet another interview--and yet another chance to present himself in a better way--Spencer again drops the ball. His comment that the Duke lacrosse panel was "ironically" held at a Thai restaurant might be mildly snarky if Spencer didn't allow himself to be described as in fact a "White nationalist". His comment that the genocide course he helped teach was not a "how-to" course might be interpreted in a similar fashion, except that Spencer has been reported to actually welcome ethnic cleansing in the United States.)

  22. …but everyone could see there was something wrong with a group of 40 white college students hiring a black stripper, only to greet her arrival with one of the players saying, “We asked for whites, not n*ggers.”

    Aside from the racial slur (which I doubt was actually uttered) and the factual inaccuracies, those white boys were sure wrong to be disappointed – that Crystal gal gave them their money’s worth and more, so they would never have reason to shy away from hiring blacks in the future. Thank Gaia that she did not confirm their worst prejudices about blacks causing no end of trouble.

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    • Replies: @guest
    This is the pivot of the story for me, as I said elsewhere. Those dummies turn the girls away at the door like the should have, and there's no story. They were really bad at hiring strippers. That was their fault, and locking the girls out (with compensation, so they don't burn your house down or something) would have been a relative virtue.

    Yet articles like this, because they're written by effectively crazy people, paint the natural and smart reaction as the wrong part. You know what colorblindness gets you? Rape accusations!

  23. Unbearable Heaviness of White Dope Farce , or a Cautionary Tale About an Average Country Boy from Kentucky Visiting Mar-a-Lago to Talk About His Make it or Break it Future :

    Kush-ner, Kush-ner, Kush-ner…

    P.S.
    ( The Orangutan from Queens shoud expand his patriotic portfolio by selling out a new assortment of little red hats with “Team Kushner” inscription)

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    If you’re interested in Tom Wolfe and Duke U., I Am Charlotte Simmons is a winner. It is set at a fictional school that is more of a cross between UPenn, Swarthmore and Duke, but there’s a lot of Duke… and sex, and campus absurdity, and racial politics.

    (I’m pretty sure it’s not allowed to put Amazon Affiliate links in the comments… especially for Anonymous.)

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    • Replies: @Abe Humbles
    What I remember about "I Am Charlotte Simmons" was just HOW MUCH SEX the athletes were having, and also that they were virtually gods on campus. Raw masculine athletic virtuosity was worshiped to the exclusion of nearly anything else. The University administration were willing to move mountains to protect athletes. The Affaire de Duke seemed to show the opposite: that on the flimsiest of pretexts the administration, the campus, the faculty, the press, heck the ALUMNI and entire student body, were all eager to believe a preposterous tale of antebellum Southern Gothic white racist sexual debauchery and objectification. With nothing but the word of a very sketchy downmarket stripper and petty thief, they were eager to spin a yarn of "privilege" and "white supremacy" yadda yadda, very much like the overwrought story of "Jackie", and then pin it all on a group of high performing male student athletes. If anything, I think Wolfe got his story only half-right. There is a lot more going on there.
  25. @Desiderius

    Reeves Wiedeman
     
    Isn't that Roissy/Heartiste's last name?

    Wonder if there is any relation.

    James Weidmann I think. Maybe Wiedmann.

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  26. Hey I didn’t know that happened when Richard was a student. Hard to believe that incubus was born so long ago. Chicken or egg?

    My recollection of what exactly happened at Duke is dim and fuzzy. I guess that’s because the case wound up being such a travesty of the truth, no one ever much tried to suss out the truth. And maybe that more than time is why my recollection is dim and fuzzy. I don’t know.

    But I vividly remember my most recent experience with a stripper, and in an inverted and funny way, it makes me remember what I don’t precisely remember about what happened that night at Duke.

    The vast majority of strippers are nothing special to look at, and maybe that’s why they are those who most enjoy taking off their clothes. Sometimes you get lucky though. This one was a hot latina with a pretty perfect body. I was sitting on the couch and she did a move that sort of made half her body jump, like she was doing the worm with cunning intent, and suddenly her torso was in my lap. Then for a solid minute she let me rub her cl** and this was in front of everybody. No one else got to this and that plus other factors made my rowdy cohorts face the fact that she did the thing just for me.

    After her performance she retired to the toilet room, which as we all know is reserved for strippers when they require where the need to go to make and unmake themselves. Ya know? But I was not ready for her to leave so I sort of made my move and barged into the bathroom, where lo and behold, the one guy I didn’t know at the party was already in there trying to have sex with her for money. I kicked him out accordingly and started telling her how objectively rich I am. But all I got was her number.

    This is beside the point, but looking back its pretty funny to me that I did indeed get a date with her, about a week later, and by the time she was twenty minutes late meeting me at a swanky bar in Arlington Va, she texts me and says Sorry I can’t make it–I just got a call. Later it dawned that the whole date was a test/ruse to see if I’d call her again. And I suppose if I actually was objectively rich, I would have called her again.

    Anyway, me and my friends are not as rowdy as Duke Lacrosse players. But if we were, and if she had been a negligibly attractive black girl, the guy I kicked out the bathroom to get myself the number that got me no where, he may well have been trying to have sex with her for free. And if she had said no and lets say said so defiantly, he probably would have called her a slur. And then she would have gotten loud, and then the other lacrosse players would have rushed in to hear the rest, and then her playmate would have made the scene, and lots of screeching and slurring, and the stripper would have likely been dragged out of the house in the way a wave of men can make a woman body surf over them without a bruise.

    By the end of it all, she would have felt like nothing occurred more than a rape. Ya know? And I suspect, if the truth was ever told, that’s most of all because the funnest part, for all involved– was totally free.

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    • Replies: @guest
    Instead of speculating and writing Duke Lacrosse fan-fiction based on your own stripper experiences, you could look up what actually happened. It's not an obscure story. Reliably leftist ESPN did a pretty good documentary on it.
    , @Art Deco
    Whatever.

    The two strippers in the Duke case danced for about 4 minutes. They got some rude feedback, I believe, because one of them was strung out and performing poorly. They locked themselves in the bathroom in a state of high dudgeon, and it required several of the assembled a considerable period of time to coax them out and hustle them off the property (20 minutes or 45 minutes, I cannot recall). That was the sum total of what happened.
  27. @Jack D

    ...but everyone could see there was something wrong with a group of 40 white college students hiring a black stripper, only to greet her arrival with one of the players saying, “We asked for whites, not n*ggers.”
     
    Aside from the racial slur (which I doubt was actually uttered) and the factual inaccuracies, those white boys were sure wrong to be disappointed - that Crystal gal gave them their money's worth and more, so they would never have reason to shy away from hiring blacks in the future. Thank Gaia that she did not confirm their worst prejudices about blacks causing no end of trouble.

    This is the pivot of the story for me, as I said elsewhere. Those dummies turn the girls away at the door like the should have, and there’s no story. They were really bad at hiring strippers. That was their fault, and locking the girls out (with compensation, so they don’t burn your house down or something) would have been a relative virtue.

    Yet articles like this, because they’re written by effectively crazy people, paint the natural and smart reaction as the wrong part. You know what colorblindness gets you? Rape accusations!

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    This comment might earn me some hate here, but...
    this seems like a legitimate - by which I mean actual -instance of "white privilege".
    These guys simply assumed that in hiring a stripper, they were going to get a sexy, horny white girl. But they "knew" that they were not supposed to be overtly "racist" about it, and yet couldn't hide their genuine disappointment.
    Come to think of it, I actually feel for the (lying, murdering) stripper girl here - she was sent out on a job and not accurately informed about what it involved, and ended up being humiliated, maybe. It doesn't justify false accusations or murder or whatever else she's done, but I feel for her as a human being.
  28. @syonredux

    This is the third article about Stephen Miller I’ve seen in two days. I guess he’s next on the media’s hit list.
     
    Miller's an arch-Thoughtcriminal:

    Miller grew up in a liberal-leaning Jewish family in Santa Monica, California.[1] Though his parents were Democrats, Miller became a conservative after reading Guns, Crime, and Freedom, a book by National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre.[2] While attending Santa Monica High School, Miller began appearing on conservative talk radio.[2] In 2002, at the age of sixteen, Miller wrote a letter to the editor of the Santa Monica Lookout, criticizing his school's pacifist response to 9/11 in which he stated that "Osama Bin Laden would feel very welcome at Santa Monica High School."[2][3] Miller invited conservative activist David Horowitz to speak, first at the high school and later at Duke University, and afterwards denounced the fact that neither of the centers would authorize the event.[2] Miller was in the habit of "riling up his fellow [high school] classmates with controversial statements"[4] and telling Latino students to speak only English.[4][5][6]
    In 2007,[7] Miller received his bachelor's degree from Duke University, majoring in political science.[2] Miller served as president of the Duke chapter of Horowitz's Students for Academic Freedom and wrote conservative columns for the school newspaper. Miller gained national attention for his defense of the students who were wrongly accused of rape in the Duke lacrosse case.[2][8] While attending Duke University, Miller accused the poet Maya Angelou of "racial paranoia" and described student organization Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán (MEChA) as a "radical national Hispanic group that believes in racial superiority.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)

    Miller ….described student organization Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán (MEChA) as a “radical national Hispanic group that believes in racial superiority”.

    Miller also described water as “wet”.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    Miller also described water as “wet”.
     
    But that's elementist.
  29. It treats the hoax not as one representative of a long string of hate hoaxes going back to Tawana Brawley a few weeks after Bonfire was published.

    I wonder if there are waves of these things? Not long ago I randomly came across a 19th century hate hoax that has a lot of resonance with the modern phenomenon, but because the “hate hoax” isn’t recognized as a real thing there’s no way to tell if this was a one-off or if there were a spate of these things that history has forgotten.

    This is Wikipedia’s write-up:

    Reports were published of an attempt to assassinate Lady Florence Dixie at her residence, the Fishery, situated near the Thames, and about two and a half miles from Windsor. Lady Florence Dixie gave the following account to the newspapers:

    “I was out walking near the Fishery last evening, about 4:30, when two very tall women came up and asked me the time. I replied that I had not got my watch with me, and, turning, left them. Opening a small gate which led into the private grounds of Capt Brocklehurst, of the Blues, I made toward a stile, and was just going to get over, when I heard the gate open behind, and the two women followed me in. Somehow or other I felt all was not right, so I stopped and leaned against the rails, and then, as they came on, went to meet them. One on the right came forward and seized me by the neck, when by the strength of the clutch I felt it was no woman’s power that pulled me down to the ground. In another second I saw the other would-be woman over me, and remember seeing the steel of the knife come right down upon me, driven by this person’s hand. It struck through my clothes and against the whalebone of my stays, which turned the point, merely grazing the skin. The knife was quickly withdrawn and plunged at me again. I seized it with both hands and shouted as loud as I could, when the person who first pulled me down pushed a large handful of earth into my mouth and nearly choked me. Just as the knife was wrenched from my hands, a very big and powerful St. Bernard dog I had with me broke through the wood, and the last thing I remember was seeing the person with the knife pulled backward by him. Then I heard a confused sound of rumbling of wheels, and I remember no more. When I came to myself I was quite alone. From what I saw of the knife I believe it to be a dagger, and the persons were undoubtedly men. They were dressed in long clothes, and were unnaturally tall for women; the one who stabbed me had on a thick veil, reaching below the mouth; the other was unveiled, but his face I did not notice much. This is all the information I can give. My head is very confused and painful, and I expect they must have stunned me. This is a wretched scrawl, but my hands are very much cut, and it pains me so much to write.”[56]

    Questions were raised in the House of Commons on 19 and 20 March,[58] [59] and again on the 29th, about the investigation, but Lady Dixie’s account was not supported by others,[55][56] and was dismissed.[60]

    This bizarre assault was supposedly in reprisal for her outspokenness on Irish politics.

    If you read Lady Dixie’s very whackadoodle biography on Wikipedia you’ll find that she had an obsession with cross-dressing that found vent in a bunch of kooky feminist novels, and was constantly doing stuff to annoy people, like bringing back to England a pet jaguar that demolished the local animal life.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Florence_Dixie

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    • Replies: @Anon
    It's called Histrionic Personality Disorder. We have more of these people nowadays because broken families produce a higher percentage of children with personality problems, and we live in an era with a very high divorce rate compared to long-term historical trends.
  30. @Anonymous

    ... the case’s collapse made it more difficult to address the issues
     
    I'd like to propose a martingale strategy for social justice narrative maintenance:

    Betting and losing all our money and reputation on the absolute best example we could find of a thing existing only proves that we must work twice as hard at asserting the thing's existence, so that when we can discover it for real in the next round we can recoup our losses.

    we can discover it for real in the next round we can recoup our losses.

    When you’re done with that you can help OJ find the real killers.

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  31. @syonredux

    This is the third article about Stephen Miller I’ve seen in two days. I guess he’s next on the media’s hit list.
     
    Miller's an arch-Thoughtcriminal:

    Miller grew up in a liberal-leaning Jewish family in Santa Monica, California.[1] Though his parents were Democrats, Miller became a conservative after reading Guns, Crime, and Freedom, a book by National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre.[2] While attending Santa Monica High School, Miller began appearing on conservative talk radio.[2] In 2002, at the age of sixteen, Miller wrote a letter to the editor of the Santa Monica Lookout, criticizing his school's pacifist response to 9/11 in which he stated that "Osama Bin Laden would feel very welcome at Santa Monica High School."[2][3] Miller invited conservative activist David Horowitz to speak, first at the high school and later at Duke University, and afterwards denounced the fact that neither of the centers would authorize the event.[2] Miller was in the habit of "riling up his fellow [high school] classmates with controversial statements"[4] and telling Latino students to speak only English.[4][5][6]
    In 2007,[7] Miller received his bachelor's degree from Duke University, majoring in political science.[2] Miller served as president of the Duke chapter of Horowitz's Students for Academic Freedom and wrote conservative columns for the school newspaper. Miller gained national attention for his defense of the students who were wrongly accused of rape in the Duke lacrosse case.[2][8] While attending Duke University, Miller accused the poet Maya Angelou of "racial paranoia" and described student organization Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán (MEChA) as a "radical national Hispanic group that believes in racial superiority.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)

    Wrong and …wrong.

    Miller Lite just recently declared his unconditional dissawoment from Bannonism. ( aka “Bunyanism”?)

    Stephen’s d-fens spiel went something like this:

    “Will be focusing on a health care, and other moar important issues that hurt Amorica’s underbelly …”

    Don’t hold your breath for Stephen’s ‘epur si muove’ moment of honest introspection.

    He’s a way too young and a way too smart to bother himself with a guilt trips to nowhere.

    Good for Amerikva, but not so much for you and me.

    bored prediction:

    Sessions is the next Domino That Could.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Miller Lite just recently declared his unconditional dissawoment from Bannonism. ( aka “Bunyanism”?)


    Cite?
    , @IHTG
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/15/us/politics/jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-white-house.html

    Perhaps tellingly, Stephen Miller, Mr. Trump’s policy adviser, has shifted away from Mr. Bannon, his onetime ally. He has worked with Ms. Trump since the campaign on child care and other issues, and colleagues said he endeared himself to her and Mr. Kushner in order to get more freedom to pursue anti-immigration policies that animate him.
     
  32. @guest
    I was thinking asking people like this to discover the origins of the alt-right is like asking Hitler to write a history of communism. But that's not right, because Hitler's book would be a gas to read, full of Blood Libels. This is merely inaccurate.

    But that’s not right, because Hitler’s book would be a gas to read, full of Blood Libels. This is merely inaccurate.

    Dude, if you don’t think the NY Times is chock full of blood libels about declasse* Americans you’re not paying attention.

    When they say white they don’t mean all whites, but nor do they mean only whites. If you’re not down with the program, doesn’t matter how brown you are.

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  33. @Opinionator
    Richard Spencer - the gift that keeps on giving.

    You two should get a room.

    One more Spencer comment and you’re going on ignore.

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    • Replies: @bored identity
    Snappy.

    Although, "take a room" part was very reminiscent of brownshirtishly unhappy destiny of the certain guy named Rohm.

    Just sayin'...
    , @MarcB.
    "One more Spencer comment and you’re going on ignore".

    Disavowing Spencer holds us to an unreasonably high standard and emboldens the AntiFa. They don't decry the most violent on their own side, so I refuse give them the pleasure of seeing any cracks in our overlapping Pro-Western alliances. The same goes for those on the AltLite.

    We also have to remember many are not put off by these antics. You'd be shocked by the number of politically astute young men who are energized by the Spencerian model. I met one of them this weekend, and he told me White teenagers now speak openly about topics relegated to Sailerhood just a couple years ago. The era of peak SJW is over.

    When I see people on our side acting out publicly, I ignore them. The same goes for their apologists. The sound of crickets is extreme noise terror to those in love with the sound of their own voice.
  34. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I think Steve is probably right that the goal of the article is to link Miller with Spencer, and thus damage Miller.
    That said, the article is more interesting than I expected, and does a bit of actual research. I learned some things.
    Strangely, the term “blowback” does not appear.
    Maybe that’s too snarky: a better article, even from a leftist perspective, would examine why and how incidents like these really do create blowback.

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  35. One major reason Donald Trump is President of the United States is that his opponent’s primary tactic to take him down using a fake sex hoax was preceded by numerous other fake sex rape and abuse hoaxes over decades that had inured the populace. Had Hillary Clinton pulled this smear even 8 years ago, it probably would have worked. Her entire campaign revolved around getting other women to vote for her because she had a vag. Even a fool could have predicted which direction her attack on Trump would come from.

    Only idiots and liberals now believe that there is no such thing as fake hate crimes and sex abuse / rape charges. The culture has been exposed over time to the ugly truth and is slowly but surely turning more red pill everyday. This type of false accusation has existed in the family courts for a long time but it has clearly jumped the firewall and has now spread into mainstream culture and each time it is used it dilutes the effectiveness of the next person who thinks they are clever and tries to do the same thing.

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    • Replies: @guest
    Liberals are perfectly aware of the possibility of false rape charges. They were assigned To Kill a Mockingbird in elementary school. They just don't realize racist white racists are not the only humans capable of lying.
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    Don't forget also the fake climate change 'science' that they've been belting us over the head with for nigh on thirty years now.

    The leftists live in a world where everything, all aspects of reality, even the weather, must be shaped and interpreted to fit their narrative.
  36. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @guest
    This is the pivot of the story for me, as I said elsewhere. Those dummies turn the girls away at the door like the should have, and there's no story. They were really bad at hiring strippers. That was their fault, and locking the girls out (with compensation, so they don't burn your house down or something) would have been a relative virtue.

    Yet articles like this, because they're written by effectively crazy people, paint the natural and smart reaction as the wrong part. You know what colorblindness gets you? Rape accusations!

    This comment might earn me some hate here, but…
    this seems like a legitimate – by which I mean actual -instance of “white privilege”.
    These guys simply assumed that in hiring a stripper, they were going to get a sexy, horny white girl. But they “knew” that they were not supposed to be overtly “racist” about it, and yet couldn’t hide their genuine disappointment.
    Come to think of it, I actually feel for the (lying, murdering) stripper girl here – she was sent out on a job and not accurately informed about what it involved, and ended up being humiliated, maybe. It doesn’t justify false accusations or murder or whatever else she’s done, but I feel for her as a human being.

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    • Replies: @black sea
    If I remember correctly, the stripper in question showed up for the gig pretty wasted. I supppose this could have contributed to the lacrosse players' dissastisfaction with services rendered.
    , @bored identity



    "...These guys simply assumed that in hiring a stripper, they were going to get a sexy, horny white girl.

    But they “knew” that they were not supposed to be overtly “racist” about it, and yet couldn’t hide their genuine disappointment...."

     

    What happened with traditionally American "right to return unwanted merchandise with a full or partial credit" policy?



    She just ugly.

    Should get a job at DMV.


    https://riversong.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/the-duke-liar.jpg
    , @ben tillman

    These guys simply assumed that in hiring a stripper, they were going to get a sexy, horny white girl. But they “knew” that they were not supposed to be overtly “racist” about it....
     
    Actually, they said they didn't want a black stripper. So there was no assuming and no cowardice.
  37. @Jack D
    Sabrina Erdely beat you to it. Time to QUADRUPLE down with Alicia Machado. Oops, that didn't work so we have to OCTUPLE our bet on the next round. Why don't we stake it on Mike Pence being evil because he doesn't date women like Bill Clinton - that's the ticket!

    BTW, where have all the Trump sex scandals been since election day? I haven't heard a peep. Alicia Machado has fallen off the face of the earth. She doesn't appear to be Hillary's best friend any more - I'll bet she won't even take her phone calls. It's almost as if this stuff was drummed up just in order to win the election and Hillary Clinton doesn't really give a damn about a fat trashy Hispanic beauty queen that her husband would have bedded back in the day when his organs were working better.

    “…When his organs were working better…”

    Being so knowledgeable about Slick Willy’s anatomy, stamina, and general health condition could be detrimental to your own health, Tdzak ….

    Thread carefully.

    Commentariat still needs you.

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  38. @guest
    Associating Spencer with the Duke "scandal" only makes him look better. It's almost as if NYM is trying to rehabilitate his image.

    If I were them I'd memoryhole the whole thing. You don't want people thinking back to it the next time a Hate Hoax inevitably happens. They might start Noticing a pattern.

    But how does it make Miller look? Imagine how this article reads without Spencer in it.

    (Moreover, the interview further evidences Spencer’s tin ear and foot-in-mouth propensity. He seems to lack the capacity to learn. Given yet another interview–and yet another chance to present himself in a better way–Spencer again drops the ball. His comment that the Duke lacrosse panel was “ironically” held at a Thai restaurant might be mildly snarky if Spencer didn’t allow himself to be described as in fact a “White nationalist”. His comment that the genocide course he helped teach was not a “how-to” course might be interpreted in a similar fashion, except that Spencer has been reported to actually welcome ethnic cleansing in the United States.)

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    One more relevant anecdote manifesting Spencer's clumsiness with the media (and tendency to spray manure onto innocent people). After Spencer intimated to various media organizations that he and Miller were friends while at Duke, he wrote an entire column with the apparent intention of clarifying (and backing off somewhat) that claim. But instead of softening the "friends" claim, he upgraded the relationship to "mentor-mentee."

    I thought at the time, the media is going to love that one, and seize on it. Sure enough, this new article uses the "mentor" description.
    , @ben tillman

    His comment that the genocide course he helped teach was not a “how-to” course might be interpreted in a similar fashion, except that Spencer has been reported to actually welcome ethnic cleansing in the United States.)
     
    The concept of ethnic cleansing is as mainstream as it gets in this country. The feds do it constantly at every level from the neighborhood to the nation.
  39. @bored identity
    Wrong and ...wrong.


    Miller Lite just recently declared his unconditional dissawoment from Bannonism. ( aka "Bunyanism"?)


    Stephen's d-fens spiel went something like this:

    "Will be focusing on a health care, and other moar important issues that hurt Amorica's underbelly ..."

    Don't hold your breath for Stephen's 'epur si muove' moment of honest introspection.

    He's a way too young and a way too smart to bother himself with a guilt trips to nowhere.


    Good for Amerikva, but not so much for you and me.


    bored prediction:

    Sessions is the next Domino That Could.

    Miller Lite just recently declared his unconditional dissawoment from Bannonism. ( aka “Bunyanism”?)

    Cite?

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    • Replies: @Amasius
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/stephen-miller-white-house-trump-237216

    "As the relationship between Kushner and Bannon has deteriorated, Miller has made sure his colleagues know he’s not on Bannon’s team. In interviews, seven White House officials described the emerging dynamics."

    "Miller, who wrote Trump’s fiery “American carnage” inaugural address, continues to work on the president’s speeches but takes direction from others on their tone. He’s also begun working on energy and regulatory issues, while focusing less on immigration, the issue about which he’s long been most passionate."

    Humorously, he's still getting called a Nazi-- Himmler-- in the comment section.

  40. @Prof. Woland
    One major reason Donald Trump is President of the United States is that his opponent's primary tactic to take him down using a fake sex hoax was preceded by numerous other fake sex rape and abuse hoaxes over decades that had inured the populace. Had Hillary Clinton pulled this smear even 8 years ago, it probably would have worked. Her entire campaign revolved around getting other women to vote for her because she had a vag. Even a fool could have predicted which direction her attack on Trump would come from.

    Only idiots and liberals now believe that there is no such thing as fake hate crimes and sex abuse / rape charges. The culture has been exposed over time to the ugly truth and is slowly but surely turning more red pill everyday. This type of false accusation has existed in the family courts for a long time but it has clearly jumped the firewall and has now spread into mainstream culture and each time it is used it dilutes the effectiveness of the next person who thinks they are clever and tries to do the same thing.

    Liberals are perfectly aware of the possibility of false rape charges. They were assigned To Kill a Mockingbird in elementary school. They just don’t realize racist white racists are not the only humans capable of lying.

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  41. @Desiderius
    You two should get a room.

    One more Spencer comment and you're going on ignore.

    Snappy.

    Although, “take a room” part was very reminiscent of brownshirtishly unhappy destiny of the certain guy named Rohm.

    Just sayin’…

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  42. @Anonymous
    This comment might earn me some hate here, but...
    this seems like a legitimate - by which I mean actual -instance of "white privilege".
    These guys simply assumed that in hiring a stripper, they were going to get a sexy, horny white girl. But they "knew" that they were not supposed to be overtly "racist" about it, and yet couldn't hide their genuine disappointment.
    Come to think of it, I actually feel for the (lying, murdering) stripper girl here - she was sent out on a job and not accurately informed about what it involved, and ended up being humiliated, maybe. It doesn't justify false accusations or murder or whatever else she's done, but I feel for her as a human being.

    If I remember correctly, the stripper in question showed up for the gig pretty wasted. I supppose this could have contributed to the lacrosse players’ dissastisfaction with services rendered.

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  43. “The Duke Lacrosse Scandal and the Birth of the Alt-Right” …
    ” the 88 leftist Duke professors”

    The Alt-Right got its start at Duke, you say? And they got “88″ leftist Duke professors to cooperate? This Alt-Right is more devious and subtle than I imagined.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    88 books?!
    88 profs?!
    Someone needs to write an expose and submit it to the Huffington Post STAT!

    (They took down the post by "Shelley Garland" and now they need CONTENT!)
  44. Our immediate forefathers would have said that this was their own stupid fault for wanting that kind of service from that kind of woman.

    They’d say “immoral” but the actual reason was that people who take their clothes off for money are dysfunctional and dangerous for normal people to be in contact with.

    It’s a failure of parenting. It should have been made clear to them that the world of movies and tv is not real. Crystal Mangum is not just like you and me.

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    • Replies: @sabril
    "Our immediate forefathers would have said that this was their own stupid fault for wanting that kind of service from that kind of woman."

    And some people might call this "blaming the victim" or "turning a misdemeanor into a felony."
    , @Joe Schmoe
    Maybe, but it definitely served as an object lesson for many young people who were from five years younger and older than the accused Duke students:
    1) They learned their teachers are very much against them.
    2) Law enforcement were also against them.
    3) Blacks are fully capable of falsely accusing whites.

    The case laid bare the identities of the enemies.

    People noticed.

    They definitely noticed.

  45. @Opinionator
    But how does it make Miller look? Imagine how this article reads without Spencer in it.

    (Moreover, the interview further evidences Spencer's tin ear and foot-in-mouth propensity. He seems to lack the capacity to learn. Given yet another interview--and yet another chance to present himself in a better way--Spencer again drops the ball. His comment that the Duke lacrosse panel was "ironically" held at a Thai restaurant might be mildly snarky if Spencer didn't allow himself to be described as in fact a "White nationalist". His comment that the genocide course he helped teach was not a "how-to" course might be interpreted in a similar fashion, except that Spencer has been reported to actually welcome ethnic cleansing in the United States.)

    One more relevant anecdote manifesting Spencer’s clumsiness with the media (and tendency to spray manure onto innocent people). After Spencer intimated to various media organizations that he and Miller were friends while at Duke, he wrote an entire column with the apparent intention of clarifying (and backing off somewhat) that claim. But instead of softening the “friends” claim, he upgraded the relationship to “mentor-mentee.”

    I thought at the time, the media is going to love that one, and seize on it. Sure enough, this new article uses the “mentor” description.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    And ignore it is.

    Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

    You are the problem that has you obsessed.
  46. Have you ever done a comprehensive post of Tom Wolfe’s prophecies that came true?

    One from Bonfire came to mind earlier today, Episcopals having a lesbian bishop:

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Judge Posner wrote in the mid-1990s about how he didn't think much of "Bonfire" in 1987, but within a half-dozen years it was clearly prophetic.
    , @Roderick Spode
    Judging from surrounding tweets, this idiot doesn't have a cat's chance of undestanding Houellebecq
  47. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "The Duke Lacrosse Scandal and the Birth of the Alt-Right" ...
    " the 88 leftist Duke professors"

    The Alt-Right got its start at Duke, you say? And they got "88" leftist Duke professors to cooperate? This Alt-Right is more devious and subtle than I imagined.

    88 books?!
    88 profs?!
    Someone needs to write an expose and submit it to the Huffington Post STAT!

    (They took down the post by “Shelley Garland” and now they need CONTENT!)

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    Things like that are the work of Kek - repeating numbers, synchronicity, pop-culture correlation. All the work of Kek.

    Homer's 'little brother' in the episode Brother From The Same Planet?

    His name was Pepe (PBUH).
  48. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Ivy
    Creation myths used to be more inspiring, why can't those derivative alties dream bigger? Is the New York magazine a farm club in the NY Times system, or is it just something in the water in Manhattan?

    It’s strange but it seems like all corporate media is aboard this bandwagon now.

    I can’t explain it, but things just shifted – and quite quickly. I’m not sure if there was some co-ordinated push in this direction or perhaps just a generational change in the staff at these media outlets? Even leftwing newspapers seemed to have a different focus and tone not so long ago.

    It’s a fascinating thing to witness. It’s also a bit scary to think where this is all leading.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    The existence of something called JournoList (aka the Juicebox Mafia) popped up a few years ago, and it detailed mass coordination between liberal media outlets and liberal pols like Obama. It still exists and is cranking away. There is plain and clear coordination of message among JournoList media outlets.
  49. @Dave Pinsen
    Have you ever done a comprehensive post of Tom Wolfe's prophecies that came true?

    One from Bonfire came to mind earlier today, Episcopals having a lesbian bishop:
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/853407670124130304

    Judge Posner wrote in the mid-1990s about how he didn’t think much of “Bonfire” in 1987, but within a half-dozen years it was clearly prophetic.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    A lot of the problem is that very few people have access to a timeline in their heads of what preceded what. The Tawana Brawley thing is very close in time, but even something like the OJ trial that's separated by quite a few years all blurs together.
    , @Desiderius
    Likewise here. I hated it at 17. By 27 I knew he was right.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    Yeah, I think that was in a book review Posner wrote about some black law professor who used to write for The Nation (Patricia Williams?). He was highly complimentary of her writing skills (which I recall him comparing favorably to Wolf's, whom he dismissed) but was scathing as to her motives and methods.
  50. @Opinionator
    One more relevant anecdote manifesting Spencer's clumsiness with the media (and tendency to spray manure onto innocent people). After Spencer intimated to various media organizations that he and Miller were friends while at Duke, he wrote an entire column with the apparent intention of clarifying (and backing off somewhat) that claim. But instead of softening the "friends" claim, he upgraded the relationship to "mentor-mentee."

    I thought at the time, the media is going to love that one, and seize on it. Sure enough, this new article uses the "mentor" description.

    And ignore it is.

    Remember, there’s no such thing as bad publicity.

    You are the problem that has you obsessed.

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    • Replies: @snorlax

    Remember, there’s no such thing as bad publicity.
     
    Yes there is; that's why the media is about to be successful in purging Bannon, and have already succeeded with Flynn, Nunes, etc
    , @Berty
    I love how you're acting as though anyone should give a flying fuck about whether you block somebody. iSteve has such amusing autists I swear.
    , @Opinionator
    Do you work for United Airlines?
  51. @Steve Sailer
    Judge Posner wrote in the mid-1990s about how he didn't think much of "Bonfire" in 1987, but within a half-dozen years it was clearly prophetic.

    A lot of the problem is that very few people have access to a timeline in their heads of what preceded what. The Tawana Brawley thing is very close in time, but even something like the OJ trial that’s separated by quite a few years all blurs together.

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    The Bonfire of the Vanities showed a rich white man was in bad trouble in the court system even though he was innocent. The Accepted Opinion was White Privilege ruled. The truth was the opposite.

    Then, a few years later, a real life black man named O.J. Simpson, commits a brutal double murder of two white people. A predominantly black jury acquits him after Simpson';s attorneys make the trial about race instead of the evidence.

    The Simpson Affair made Tom Wolfe look prescient, as did the Duke Lacrosse Hoax.

    Hank Goldberg, a member of the Simpson prosecution team, wrote in his book on the case that the prosecutors in the L.A. DA's office noted it was easier with a white defendant.
  52. @Steve Sailer
    Judge Posner wrote in the mid-1990s about how he didn't think much of "Bonfire" in 1987, but within a half-dozen years it was clearly prophetic.

    Likewise here. I hated it at 17. By 27 I knew he was right.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I loved it when I first read it, when I was only a couple years older than you. That was in 1990 or 1991 though, so Tawana Brawley had already happened, and there were other local incidents that tied into some of the themes (e.g., the shooting of a truant black teenage delinquent, Phillip Pannell, was an early example of burnishing the image of a dead black teen. Like Travon Martin decades later, the papers published a cherubic, younger photo of him, etc.).

    But even if it didn't prove prophetic in so many ways, it was incredibly funny, entertaining, and more insightful about race, ethnicity, and class than any other American novel that comes to mind.
  53. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Another pronoun crisis.

    I think I came up with another potential crisis.

    There was that one guy who called himself ‘they’.

    Now, what if a bunch of people say they are a singular?

    Suppose there are Bill, John, Jane, Robert, and Ken. Suppose they say they’ve all joined into a single identity and name called ‘Lenny’. So, all five are Lenny and must be addressed in the singular: I, he, you.

    So, if Bill did something wrong, Lenny did something wrong and since the other four are also part of Lenny, they also did what Bill did cuz they’re all Lenny.

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  54. @Desiderius
    Likewise here. I hated it at 17. By 27 I knew he was right.

    I loved it when I first read it, when I was only a couple years older than you. That was in 1990 or 1991 though, so Tawana Brawley had already happened, and there were other local incidents that tied into some of the themes (e.g., the shooting of a truant black teenage delinquent, Phillip Pannell, was an early example of burnishing the image of a dead black teen. Like Travon Martin decades later, the papers published a cherubic, younger photo of him, etc.).

    But even if it didn’t prove prophetic in so many ways, it was incredibly funny, entertaining, and more insightful about race, ethnicity, and class than any other American novel that comes to mind.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yeah, I thought it was too "negative." I was 17, after all. My high school English teacher prescribed Chekhov as a cure.
  55. @Dave Pinsen
    Have you ever done a comprehensive post of Tom Wolfe's prophecies that came true?

    One from Bonfire came to mind earlier today, Episcopals having a lesbian bishop:
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/853407670124130304

    Judging from surrounding tweets, this idiot doesn’t have a cat’s chance of undestanding Houellebecq

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  56. The players were declared innocent, legally speaking, but …

    The real scandal is those Haven Monahans

    That’s it, isn’t it?

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  57. @bored identity
    Wrong and ...wrong.


    Miller Lite just recently declared his unconditional dissawoment from Bannonism. ( aka "Bunyanism"?)


    Stephen's d-fens spiel went something like this:

    "Will be focusing on a health care, and other moar important issues that hurt Amorica's underbelly ..."

    Don't hold your breath for Stephen's 'epur si muove' moment of honest introspection.

    He's a way too young and a way too smart to bother himself with a guilt trips to nowhere.


    Good for Amerikva, but not so much for you and me.


    bored prediction:

    Sessions is the next Domino That Could.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/15/us/politics/jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-white-house.html

    Perhaps tellingly, Stephen Miller, Mr. Trump’s policy adviser, has shifted away from Mr. Bannon, his onetime ally. He has worked with Ms. Trump since the campaign on child care and other issues, and colleagues said he endeared himself to her and Mr. Kushner in order to get more freedom to pursue anti-immigration policies that animate him.

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    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/white-house-innovation-office-ceos-237245

    Miller, who rose to prominence as an outspoken critic of U.S. immigration policies, talked about possible changes to the H-1B visa program, which technology companies use to hire high-skilled foreign workers. Miller talked about ways to prevent the visas from being used for entry-level positions, according to people familiar with the call.

     

  58. a long string of hate hoaxes going back to Tawana Brawley

    Is there an actual list of hoaxes?

    Tawana Brawley
    Duke lacrosse
    Haven Monaghan
    George Zimmerman

    What are the others? Especially before Duke. Or even Tawana Brawley.

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  59. @IHTG
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/15/us/politics/jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-white-house.html

    Perhaps tellingly, Stephen Miller, Mr. Trump’s policy adviser, has shifted away from Mr. Bannon, his onetime ally. He has worked with Ms. Trump since the campaign on child care and other issues, and colleagues said he endeared himself to her and Mr. Kushner in order to get more freedom to pursue anti-immigration policies that animate him.
     

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/white-house-innovation-office-ceos-237245

    Miller, who rose to prominence as an outspoken critic of U.S. immigration policies, talked about possible changes to the H-1B visa program, which technology companies use to hire high-skilled foreign workers. Miller talked about ways to prevent the visas from being used for entry-level positions, according to people familiar with the call.

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  60. @Jack D

    Miller ....described student organization Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán (MEChA) as a “radical national Hispanic group that believes in racial superiority".
     
    Miller also described water as "wet".

    Miller also described water as “wet”.

    But that’s elementist.

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  61. The media is desperate to try to find an alt right origin story that avoids the real reasons why the alt right is an ascendant movement (demographic replacement, anti-white hiring practices, anarcho tyranny, etc.). They would never report, for example, that their handling of the investigation of aspiring welder Saint Michael of Ferguson’s death did more to convert people to the cause than some evil racist gene that all white people are born with.

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  62. @Opinionator
    Richard Spencer - the gift that keeps on giving.

    You are attacking and trashing Richard Spencer for doing what the Jews and the nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc does everyday…365 days a year:open and explicit racial identity politics.

    Perhaps you can tell us when it would be a good time for Native Born White Americans to be as open and explicit in their racial identity politics as Jews and nonwhites are.

    What you offer is policy wonk surrender…at a time when the Democratic Party openly expresses genocidal intent towards Native Born White American Males…It is no exageration to state this….

    DC Immigration Reform Policy Wonk Groups are cucked losers…who won’t even mention the fact that White Folks exist and have legitimate racial interests….They just beg for $$$ with arguments about how nonwhite legal immigrants are being harmed by nonwhite legal immigrants.

    Steve

    Let my post go through…for I have had it with the crybaby cuck Opinionator.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator

    You are attacking and trashing Richard Spencer for doing what the Jews and the nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc does everyday…365 days a year:open and explicit racial identity politics.

    Perhaps you can tell us when it would be a good time for Native Born White Americans to be as open and explicit in their racial identity politics as Jews and nonwhites are.
     

    There is a place for a good advocate for European interests, and there is a vacuum in that place.

    Spencer, however--and unlike advocates in the United States for jewish and nonwhite interests--has spoken in favor of ethnic cleansing in the United States, has repeatedly bragged about asserted racial superiority, and flirts with Hitler motifs, the man who is the paragon of evil in our culture. Again, these other groups you refer to do not do that.

    I have predicted that any movement of which Spencer is the figurehead or a visible member will end up treading water (at best), unless he clarifies his positions on these incendiary issues. I have also predicted that the NPI annual event, if it is even held again, will have less attendees than last year. We shall see. But you'll notice that he no longer attempts to speak for NPI. Instead, he now tries to ride on other people's brand.

    One of the reasons I am compelled to speak out against Spencer is that he, without right, permission, or other consent, purports to speak for others, on their behalf. Innocent others.

    In the months before the election, well before the notorious NPI event, I warned on this forum that Spencer posed a risk to the Trump movement, to the American nationalist movement, that he was a loose cannon. That has all been borne out.

    You only had to listen.

  63. Off topic..but not off topic..

    About the Brentwood MS-13 massacre a few days ago…not too far from a Catholic Nun Convent…

    Soon enough..M-13 will using the Greenbelt Trail and the Pine Barrens to carry out their gangbanger assasinations…..

    They are already using the Strawberry Fields athletic field near Greenport for MS-13 knife fights…

    Greenport is a maternity clinic for the next generation of MS-13 gang bangers….The Jewish Mayor-NYC real estate developer of Greenport went out of his way to make Greenport an MS-13-ZETAS birthing clinic…A few summers ago…MS-13 had a gang fight downtown in Westhampton during the peak summertime season…..

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  64. @Anonymous

    ... the case’s collapse made it more difficult to address the issues
     
    I'd like to propose a martingale strategy for social justice narrative maintenance:

    Betting and losing all our money and reputation on the absolute best example we could find of a thing existing only proves that we must work twice as hard at asserting the thing's existence, so that when we can discover it for real in the next round we can recoup our losses.

    Betting and losing all our money and reputation on the absolute best example we could find of a thing existing only proves that we must work twice as hard at asserting the thing’s existence, so that when we can discover it for real in the next round we can recoup our losses.

    When Prophecy Fails

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails

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  65. @ThinkLikeA1L
    The players were innocent only in the narrow sense that they did not commit the crimes they were accused of.

    The players were innocent only in the narrow sense that they did not commit the crimes they were accused of.

    AKA ‘Original Sin’.

    But how can I rid myself of this awful sin?
    Baptism in the Holy Waters of Progressive Goodness. Then, spread the ‘Good News’ of repentance via SJW condemnation.

    And always remember my Son, there are imposters among us! Be prepared to show your bona-fides.

    The 10 Commandments:
    1….
    2….
    3 Thou Shalt not Consume Meat—It’s bad for Climate Change.
    4….

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  66. @Hail
    Someone find Jared Kushner's reactions, at the time, to the Duke case.

    Jared Kushner hired Jamie Gorelick in 2016 to advise him “how to comply with federal anti-nepotism and ethics laws” as he considered a possible role in the White House.

    Jamie Gorelick is a long-time mouthpiece for the ruling elite. Her roles have ranged from to co-authoring the 2006 9/11 Commission Report (which managed to omit entirely the bizarre fate of WTC 7) to serving on the board of I-Steve’s favorite foundation: The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.

    She awarded TNC the “genius” grant.

    Why is she relevant to your question?

    Because Duke University hired her to defend them against the defamation lawsuits filed by the lacrosse team players.

    She quit after the judge let the lawsuit proceed.

    So, of all the lawyers Jared Kushner could have consulted with, he chose the shill (shrill?) for Duke and against the players.

    Does that answer your question?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick

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    Wow he is sending Miller a message. Dirty sneak


    Great sleuthing

    , @a Newsreader
    Jamie Gorelick is the Typhoid Mary of government fuckups in the last 3 decades. You could update the Rolling Stones' "Sympathy for the Devil" using only situations in which she was involved.
  67. Miller is Jewish. He is very likely biologically incapable of feeling toward vintage American honky stock (Amerikaners) the way Bannon does. Think about country music, for example. Amerikaner to the core, yet there have been black country music superstars. Has there ever been a Jewish country music star? I would love to know if there has because it would be like cold fusion. I realize there are Jewish writers and producers, but actual musicians who would have to pretend in public to love working class whites? Far fetched.

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    Has there ever been a Jewish country music star?
     
    Kinky Friedman
    https://youtu.be/-xGPwB_dvMg
    Ray Benson
    https://youtu.be/G7JzhJJ1ATw
    , @Abe Humbles
    Kinky Friedman?
  68. @Jack D
    Sabrina Erdely beat you to it. Time to QUADRUPLE down with Alicia Machado. Oops, that didn't work so we have to OCTUPLE our bet on the next round. Why don't we stake it on Mike Pence being evil because he doesn't date women like Bill Clinton - that's the ticket!

    BTW, where have all the Trump sex scandals been since election day? I haven't heard a peep. Alicia Machado has fallen off the face of the earth. She doesn't appear to be Hillary's best friend any more - I'll bet she won't even take her phone calls. It's almost as if this stuff was drummed up just in order to win the election and Hillary Clinton doesn't really give a damn about a fat trashy Hispanic beauty queen that her husband would have bedded back in the day when his organs were working better.

    Bugger that.

    I want to know what has happened to all the information on Anthony Weiner’s laptop.

    Nobody talks about it much these days.

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    No they don't, least of all Trump and company.

    If he was serious, he'd have fired Comey once Sessions had the job as AG and then go after Hillary.

    Then he would have got to the bottom on what really happened in Benghazi instead of letting that vanish as well.

    All these were to Trump was as useful campaign props just like MAGA. Trump never had any intention of draining the swamp, replacing the ACA or help the working class.

    I suspect that Miller will follow Bannon out the door in the due time. I think the only reason both are still there is because both know a lot about what goes on behind the scenes and Trump doesn't know how to handle silencing them.
  69. @Prof. Woland
    One major reason Donald Trump is President of the United States is that his opponent's primary tactic to take him down using a fake sex hoax was preceded by numerous other fake sex rape and abuse hoaxes over decades that had inured the populace. Had Hillary Clinton pulled this smear even 8 years ago, it probably would have worked. Her entire campaign revolved around getting other women to vote for her because she had a vag. Even a fool could have predicted which direction her attack on Trump would come from.

    Only idiots and liberals now believe that there is no such thing as fake hate crimes and sex abuse / rape charges. The culture has been exposed over time to the ugly truth and is slowly but surely turning more red pill everyday. This type of false accusation has existed in the family courts for a long time but it has clearly jumped the firewall and has now spread into mainstream culture and each time it is used it dilutes the effectiveness of the next person who thinks they are clever and tries to do the same thing.

    Don’t forget also the fake climate change ‘science’ that they’ve been belting us over the head with for nigh on thirty years now.

    The leftists live in a world where everything, all aspects of reality, even the weather, must be shaped and interpreted to fit their narrative.

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  70. @Paul Jolliffe
    Jared Kushner hired Jamie Gorelick in 2016 to advise him "how to comply with federal anti-nepotism and ethics laws" as he considered a possible role in the White House.

    Jamie Gorelick is a long-time mouthpiece for the ruling elite. Her roles have ranged from to co-authoring the 2006 9/11 Commission Report (which managed to omit entirely the bizarre fate of WTC 7) to serving on the board of I-Steve's favorite foundation: The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.

    She awarded TNC the "genius" grant.

    Why is she relevant to your question?

    Because Duke University hired her to defend them against the defamation lawsuits filed by the lacrosse team players.

    She quit after the judge let the lawsuit proceed.

    So, of all the lawyers Jared Kushner could have consulted with, he chose the shill (shrill?) for Duke and against the players.

    Does that answer your question?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick

    Wow he is sending Miller a message. Dirty sneak

    Great sleuthing

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  71. @Steve Sailer
    A lot of the problem is that very few people have access to a timeline in their heads of what preceded what. The Tawana Brawley thing is very close in time, but even something like the OJ trial that's separated by quite a few years all blurs together.

    The Bonfire of the Vanities showed a rich white man was in bad trouble in the court system even though he was innocent. The Accepted Opinion was White Privilege ruled. The truth was the opposite.

    Then, a few years later, a real life black man named O.J. Simpson, commits a brutal double murder of two white people. A predominantly black jury acquits him after Simpson’;s attorneys make the trial about race instead of the evidence.

    The Simpson Affair made Tom Wolfe look prescient, as did the Duke Lacrosse Hoax.

    Hank Goldberg, a member of the Simpson prosecution team, wrote in his book on the case that the prosecutors in the L.A. DA’s office noted it was easier with a white defendant.

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    • Agree: Opinionator
    • Replies: @Yak-15
    I believe the Bonfire made the incident seem ambiguous and uncertain.
  72. @Nope
    This is the third article about Stephen Miller I've seen in two days. I guess he's next on the media's hit list. They'll be back around to Sessions in no time.

    They just haven’t figured out yet that all they have to do is concoct a plausible reason that Miller made little Ivanka cry and it’s curtains.

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    @Richard

    It treats the hoax not as one representative of a long string of hate hoaxes going back to Tawana Brawley a few weeks after Bonfire was published.
     
    I wonder if there are waves of these things? Not long ago I randomly came across a 19th century hate hoax that has a lot of resonance with the modern phenomenon, but because the "hate hoax" isn't recognized as a real thing there's no way to tell if this was a one-off or if there were a spate of these things that history has forgotten.

    This is Wikipedia's write-up:

    Reports were published of an attempt to assassinate Lady Florence Dixie at her residence, the Fishery, situated near the Thames, and about two and a half miles from Windsor. Lady Florence Dixie gave the following account to the newspapers:

    "I was out walking near the Fishery last evening, about 4:30, when two very tall women came up and asked me the time. I replied that I had not got my watch with me, and, turning, left them. Opening a small gate which led into the private grounds of Capt Brocklehurst, of the Blues, I made toward a stile, and was just going to get over, when I heard the gate open behind, and the two women followed me in. Somehow or other I felt all was not right, so I stopped and leaned against the rails, and then, as they came on, went to meet them. One on the right came forward and seized me by the neck, when by the strength of the clutch I felt it was no woman's power that pulled me down to the ground. In another second I saw the other would-be woman over me, and remember seeing the steel of the knife come right down upon me, driven by this person's hand. It struck through my clothes and against the whalebone of my stays, which turned the point, merely grazing the skin. The knife was quickly withdrawn and plunged at me again. I seized it with both hands and shouted as loud as I could, when the person who first pulled me down pushed a large handful of earth into my mouth and nearly choked me. Just as the knife was wrenched from my hands, a very big and powerful St. Bernard dog I had with me broke through the wood, and the last thing I remember was seeing the person with the knife pulled backward by him. Then I heard a confused sound of rumbling of wheels, and I remember no more. When I came to myself I was quite alone. From what I saw of the knife I believe it to be a dagger, and the persons were undoubtedly men. They were dressed in long clothes, and were unnaturally tall for women; the one who stabbed me had on a thick veil, reaching below the mouth; the other was unveiled, but his face I did not notice much. This is all the information I can give. My head is very confused and painful, and I expect they must have stunned me. This is a wretched scrawl, but my hands are very much cut, and it pains me so much to write."[56]

    Questions were raised in the House of Commons on 19 and 20 March,[58] [59] and again on the 29th, about the investigation, but Lady Dixie's account was not supported by others,[55][56] and was dismissed.[60]
     
    This bizarre assault was supposedly in reprisal for her outspokenness on Irish politics.

    If you read Lady Dixie's very whackadoodle biography on Wikipedia you'll find that she had an obsession with cross-dressing that found vent in a bunch of kooky feminist novels, and was constantly doing stuff to annoy people, like bringing back to England a pet jaguar that demolished the local animal life.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Florence_Dixie

    It’s called Histrionic Personality Disorder. We have more of these people nowadays because broken families produce a higher percentage of children with personality problems, and we live in an era with a very high divorce rate compared to long-term historical trends.

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    "It’s called Histrionic Personality Disorder. We have more of these people nowadays because broken families produce a higher percentage of children with personality problems..."

    This is true of some. But I think the problem for many is the opposite. They come from too pampered a family. Emma Sulk is a good example. Successful upper-middle class parents, privilege, elite college, having fun doing art. But she's a viiiiiiictim!!!!

    I think a lot of psycho-social problems of the past had to do with repression of trauma. Times were hard and people were expected to be hard. You rolled with the punches. Don't cry like a sissy. Don't cry like a girl. Be normal. Be a man. Show you got a pair. Be respectable.
    There were lots of hard times and trauma from Great Depression and WWII. But many repressed the pain. They went on with their lives. They didn't face their demons. Some of this trauma came out in forms of alcoholism, spouse abuse, child abuse, and etc. But society didn't pay attention to most of those problems.

    CRUMB churns my stomach but is an interesting movie about repressed America. In the documentary, we hear that Crumb's older brother was beaten up at school by bullies for no reason, and he just had to take it. There was no one's shoulder to cry on back then. (Things may be different now, but not it sort of depends. If you are in a black school and attacked by blacks, that kind of violence is repressed by PC, or suspended blacks are made out to be the 'victims of racism'.) I find Crumb's story icky but also sad. And it also reminded me of Buchanan's RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. Buchanan boys were toughies and 'winners'. They are the ones who punched and bullied the 'losers' and 'weirdos'. They acted like Ethan in THE SEARCHERS.



    I see a kind of healthy male virility in Buchanan Boy antics and found the book pretty fun to read. But it has casualties: the bullied. Also, even the bullies sort of become victims of their own actions as they must repress compassion, which is natural. You see this in BRONX TALE, SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER, CASUALTIES OF WAR, etc. The pressure to be one of the guys and having to repress what is decent within you when things get too out of hand.
    Also, despite the healthiness of normality, it can also be repressive of the weird strange side of life that is interesting and creative in its own way. It's no wonder that so much of arts and culture are made by weirdos like Kubrick and Lynch.

    http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/1995/06/the-significance-of-sniggering/

    http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/2016/11/crumb-reconsidered/

    Anyway, it used to be that society repressed too much of trauma. And even those who went through hell were expected to shush up about it. And since they repressed their pain and took it like a man, they expected others to do likewise, and this made for hard emotions. Tough but sometimes dehumanizing.

    Now, we have the opposite problem among many. In the past, people with real pain and trauma kept silent. They were too hard, and this led to psychological problems in some cases: nervous breakdown, alcoholism, secret fetishes, etc.

    Now, it is the very fear of trauma -- traumaphobia? -- that is leading to breakdowns. Kids who were pampered and protected. Always provided with counseling and goo-goo self-esteem stuff. And filled with virtue vanity by waving homo flag and go weepy-poo over MLK.
    They live in a bubble of babyish emotions.
    They want to be coddled and love feeling virtuous with their narrow iconography of holy PC.

    So, if they are brought in contact with anything that might 'traumatize' their precious bubble-world, they freak out worse than Travolta in BOY IN THE PLASTIC BUBBLE. Or that movie BUBBLE BOY. (The movie makes out the kids parents to be Reaganites but the most protective bubble-parents are Progs.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ1O1vb9AUU

    I didn't like this Anderson movie much but it was illuminating of the shift in culture. The Greatest Gen had to do without therapy. They had to own and swallow the therapy.
    The Boomers rebelled and sought meaning and truth. But even this wasn't the therapeutic generation since Boomers were too busy looking for fun and adventure. They were willing to take risks with drugs, sex, violence, and etc.
    Therapeutic culture really began with kids of boomers and esp Gen Xers. In a way, boomer parents were trying to protect their kids from both Greatest Gen and their own generation.
    They found the GG too 'Archie Bunkerish' and hard. But they felt their own generation had gone too crazy in the 80s with counter-culture. They didn't want Altamont for their own kids.

    Also, Pop Culture and PC closed off minds of millennials. Pop Culture encourages kids to identify mainly with the Michael Jacksons of the world in their Neverland. This leads to a mindset of narcissism of fantasy. (CRAZY the movie about Canadian homo is effective in dramatizing the pull of family -- it has a great father character -- and pull of pop culture fantasies so appealing to homos who wanna lose themselves in fantasy.)
    As for PC, it cut one's sense of roots. PC has no appreciation for the past. It judges everything by ideology. In the past, kids were expected to respect parents and grandparents. Today, PC has kids thinking 'old people suck cuz they didn't have gay marriage then'. This is the poison effect of ideology that reduces humanity to a few issues.

    In the past, the pain and hurt came from people with callused hands who had to pretend their hands didn't hurt.
    Today, the pain comes from people with soft hands who fear their precious palms being pricked by truth and experience. Balm the palm.
  74. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    It's strange but it seems like all corporate media is aboard this bandwagon now.

    I can't explain it, but things just shifted - and quite quickly. I'm not sure if there was some co-ordinated push in this direction or perhaps just a generational change in the staff at these media outlets? Even leftwing newspapers seemed to have a different focus and tone not so long ago.

    It's a fascinating thing to witness. It's also a bit scary to think where this is all leading.

    The existence of something called JournoList (aka the Juicebox Mafia) popped up a few years ago, and it detailed mass coordination between liberal media outlets and liberal pols like Obama. It still exists and is cranking away. There is plain and clear coordination of message among JournoList media outlets.

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  75. “The players were declared innocent, legally speaking, but …”

    Not even the Pravda of old under Stalin would have dared to publish those lines.

    When the alt-left (is that even a word?) takes over again in 7 years, you can kiss rule of law, the Constitution and all its amendments goodbye.

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    When the alt-left (is that even a word?) takes over again in 7 years, you can kiss rule of law, the Constitution and all its amendments goodbye.
     
    "In seven years?" "Again?" Don't you follow current events? The leftist, uniparty, globohomoleucocidal monsters never left the building.

    At worst, Mr. Trump ran a con job on us, like a clever and obstinate child who merely runs the water to produce the expected sounds without actually washing his hands before dinner. (I am most inclined to believe this interpretation of events.)

    At best, he was once a sincere man who has been hornswaggled along the way – corrupted by the siren song of power, blinded by paternal affection for his Hebrew-crazed offspring and their mates, or simply being played like a fiddle by manipulative establishmentarians who've discovered he is far less clever and perspicacious than he likes to think he is.

    At the absolute best, the guy is Peter Pumpkinhead. (I discount this very remote possibility, because as far as I can tell the guy did't try and fail; he never even tried, and almost right away, too....)

    In any event, we no longer live in the nation most of us were born into than did any Roman following the murder of Julius Cæsar.

    RESPICE DE PRÆTERITO STATU IMPERII ELATUS CECIDIT EST PROSPICE FUTURA
     
  76. In the case of the Duke lacrosse players, they were in fact not guilty and they did not deserve the condemnation they received on the basis of those false accusations. Most of us could probably agree on this much.

    What white nationalists like Spencer and fellow traveler Ann Coulter have done is to use such incidents to argue for an alternative version of reality. In their version, the enlightened white race has become the real victim in our culture — besieged by black and brown hordes who are bent on obliterating whites through a combination of treachery, superior numbers, and lies. And since white nationalists view whites as unquestionably superior, only lies and treachery could possibly dethrone the white race from their proper place atop the world. Or so the Nazis of the world, both then and now, implicitly believe. Falsities and bias will always be with us. It’s up to us whether we try to correct them with decency or with malice.

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  77. @Desiderius
    And ignore it is.

    Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

    You are the problem that has you obsessed.

    Remember, there’s no such thing as bad publicity.

    Yes there is; that’s why the media is about to be successful in purging Bannon, and have already succeeded with Flynn, Nunes, etc

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  78. @kihowi
    Our immediate forefathers would have said that this was their own stupid fault for wanting that kind of service from that kind of woman.

    They'd say "immoral" but the actual reason was that people who take their clothes off for money are dysfunctional and dangerous for normal people to be in contact with.

    It's a failure of parenting. It should have been made clear to them that the world of movies and tv is not real. Crystal Mangum is not just like you and me.

    “Our immediate forefathers would have said that this was their own stupid fault for wanting that kind of service from that kind of woman.”

    And some people might call this “blaming the victim” or “turning a misdemeanor into a felony.”

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  79. @Desiderius
    And ignore it is.

    Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

    You are the problem that has you obsessed.

    I love how you’re acting as though anyone should give a flying fuck about whether you block somebody. iSteve has such amusing autists I swear.

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  80. @David In TN
    The Bonfire of the Vanities showed a rich white man was in bad trouble in the court system even though he was innocent. The Accepted Opinion was White Privilege ruled. The truth was the opposite.

    Then, a few years later, a real life black man named O.J. Simpson, commits a brutal double murder of two white people. A predominantly black jury acquits him after Simpson';s attorneys make the trial about race instead of the evidence.

    The Simpson Affair made Tom Wolfe look prescient, as did the Duke Lacrosse Hoax.

    Hank Goldberg, a member of the Simpson prosecution team, wrote in his book on the case that the prosecutors in the L.A. DA's office noted it was easier with a white defendant.

    I believe the Bonfire made the incident seem ambiguous and uncertain.

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    There's no ambiguity as to the protagonist's innocence in Bonfire of the Vanities--at least of the hit-and-run and later manslaughter charges--because his mistress was the one driving the car. Whether he's guilty of other crimes, such as lying to the cops or being an accomplice, I guess. But there's no doubt he ought to be acquitted of the charges against him.

    There is ambiguity as to whether the ad hoc roadblock from which they sped away was put there deliberately for purposes of carjacking, as well as whether the victim of the hit-and-run had malign intent in approaching them when they were stopped.

  81. Were I Stephen Miller, I would demand a retraction from New York Magazine, since this is a deliberate misrepresentation and demonstrably false:

    “Miller’s concern in the lacrosse case was always clear: He routinely claimed that he was defending due process, and yet, when he condemned the lack of faculty outrage about the alleged rape of a white Duke student by a black man that happened after the lacrosse scandal, he did so two years before that case was properly adjudicated.”

    This refers to the rape of Katherine Rouse by Michael Jermaine Burch at a party hosted by members of a black fraternity, Phi Beta Sigma, in February 2007.

    But Reeves Wiedeman misrepresents Stephen Miller’s column, which in fact was titled “Racial Hypocrisy”. Miller simply “condemned” the hypocritical difference in reaction when the races of the alleged rapists and victims were reversed. He didn’t advocate for—nor did he engage in—a rush to judgment in either case.

    He also pointed out the double standard in condemning the lacrosse players for underaged drinking when in the second case: “…not a word [was] uttered about the marijuana, cocaine and Oxycontin found at the house where Phi Beta Sigma members hosted their party.”

    http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2007/02/racial-hypocrisy

    And, as to the “alleged” nature of the white-on-black rape: Michael Jermaine Burch was released on $40K bail (compared to the Duke lacrosse players whose bail was initially $400K). He went on to rape another woman while on bail before pleading guilty in both cases and being sentenced to prison—and is currently a registered sex offender.

    Katherine Rouse, the victim, sued Duke under Title IX, and the university’s reaction paled in comparison to the bogus accusations Rolling Stone fabricated against UVA. It would appear, however, that her failure to use a mattress as an art project resulted in indifference from the social justice crowd.

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4748499/

    http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/NC023694S7/Michael-J-Burch.html

    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-ncmd-1_11-cv-00549/pdf/USCOURTS-ncmd-1_11-cv-00549-1.pdf

    http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Unpublished/131059.U.pdf

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  82. @guest
    I was thinking asking people like this to discover the origins of the alt-right is like asking Hitler to write a history of communism. But that's not right, because Hitler's book would be a gas to read, full of Blood Libels. This is merely inaccurate.

    Hitler’s book would be a gas to read, full of Blood Libels

    I don’t know, I suspect it would be more accurate than not.

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    I don’t know, I suspect it would be more accurate than not.
     
    Here it is, take a look:
    http://jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/Bolshevism_From_Moses_to_Lenin.pdf
  83. @Anonymous
    This comment might earn me some hate here, but...
    this seems like a legitimate - by which I mean actual -instance of "white privilege".
    These guys simply assumed that in hiring a stripper, they were going to get a sexy, horny white girl. But they "knew" that they were not supposed to be overtly "racist" about it, and yet couldn't hide their genuine disappointment.
    Come to think of it, I actually feel for the (lying, murdering) stripper girl here - she was sent out on a job and not accurately informed about what it involved, and ended up being humiliated, maybe. It doesn't justify false accusations or murder or whatever else she's done, but I feel for her as a human being.

    “…These guys simply assumed that in hiring a stripper, they were going to get a sexy, horny white girl.

    But they “knew” that they were not supposed to be overtly “racist” about it, and yet couldn’t hide their genuine disappointment….”

    What happened with traditionally American “right to return unwanted merchandise with a full or partial credit” policy?

    She just ugly.

    Should get a job at DMV.

    https://riversong.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/the-duke-liar.jpg

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  84. @Anonymous

    ... the case’s collapse made it more difficult to address the issues
     
    I'd like to propose a martingale strategy for social justice narrative maintenance:

    Betting and losing all our money and reputation on the absolute best example we could find of a thing existing only proves that we must work twice as hard at asserting the thing's existence, so that when we can discover it for real in the next round we can recoup our losses.

    The collapse of the case against the Salem Witchcraft defendants has made it difficult to address the threat that witchcraft poses to our society.

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  85. @Anonymous
    88 books?!
    88 profs?!
    Someone needs to write an expose and submit it to the Huffington Post STAT!

    (They took down the post by "Shelley Garland" and now they need CONTENT!)

    Things like that are the work of Kek – repeating numbers, synchronicity, pop-culture correlation. All the work of Kek.

    Homer’s ‘little brother’ in the episode Brother From The Same Planet?

    His name was Pepe (PBUH).

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  86. @George
    a long string of hate hoaxes going back to Tawana Brawley

    Is there an actual list of hoaxes?

    Tawana Brawley
    Duke lacrosse
    Haven Monaghan
    George Zimmerman

    What are the others? Especially before Duke. Or even Tawana Brawley.
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  87. @Roderick Spode
    Judging from surrounding tweets, this idiot doesn't have a cat's chance of undestanding Houellebecq

    Which idiot?

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  88. @Stebbing Heuer
    Bugger that.

    I want to know what has happened to all the information on Anthony Weiner's laptop.

    Nobody talks about it much these days.

    No they don’t, least of all Trump and company.

    If he was serious, he’d have fired Comey once Sessions had the job as AG and then go after Hillary.

    Then he would have got to the bottom on what really happened in Benghazi instead of letting that vanish as well.

    All these were to Trump was as useful campaign props just like MAGA. Trump never had any intention of draining the swamp, replacing the ACA or help the working class.

    I suspect that Miller will follow Bannon out the door in the due time. I think the only reason both are still there is because both know a lot about what goes on behind the scenes and Trump doesn’t know how to handle silencing them.

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    I'm willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt as of this point. There's a lot he got done in the first three months of his presidency whereas our previous president decided to go on a worldwide apology tour around the same time. There's a lot for Trump to fix and he can't fix everything all at once.

    Having said that, I understand why people are losing faith. Trump is shifting focus away from what he said he'd do to embrace neocon foreign policy initiatives, something he explicitly ran against and I don't buy the 4D chess/triple bankshot meme for even a second. I'm hoping this is just a temporary diversion and in a matter of weeks, he will be back doing what he said he would do. I think the negative reactions from people like Ann Coulter kept Trump from pursuing more action against Syria. We can't just be Trump cheerleaders while Kushner converts the administration into George W. Bush Part Deux. If people wanted a neocon, Jeb or Marco would have won the primaries. Trump needs to remember that.

    The biggest weakness seems to be Kushner's ascendancy. He needed to have been fired yesterday.

  89. @Desiderius
    And ignore it is.

    Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

    You are the problem that has you obsessed.

    Do you work for United Airlines?

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  90. By the way, I looked up the Duke Lacrosse persons. Is Ray Mc Fadyen an offspring of the family who was connected to Margaret Mitchell (her best friend Courtenay married a Bernice Mc Fadyen who then became a general and died 1954 as commander of the allied forces in Trieste)?

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  91. @guest
    I was thinking asking people like this to discover the origins of the alt-right is like asking Hitler to write a history of communism. But that's not right, because Hitler's book would be a gas to read, full of Blood Libels. This is merely inaccurate.

    “…Hitler’s book would be a gas to read, full of Blood Libels.”

    I see what you did there.

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  92. @bored identity
    Snappy.

    Although, "take a room" part was very reminiscent of brownshirtishly unhappy destiny of the certain guy named Rohm.

    Just sayin'...

    Lol!

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  93. “Declared innocent, legally speaking, but…” should be a new slogan for the alt-right.

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  94. @Steve Sailer
    Judge Posner wrote in the mid-1990s about how he didn't think much of "Bonfire" in 1987, but within a half-dozen years it was clearly prophetic.

    Yeah, I think that was in a book review Posner wrote about some black law professor who used to write for The Nation (Patricia Williams?). He was highly complimentary of her writing skills (which I recall him comparing favorably to Wolf’s, whom he dismissed) but was scathing as to her motives and methods.

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  95. @Rod1963
    No they don't, least of all Trump and company.

    If he was serious, he'd have fired Comey once Sessions had the job as AG and then go after Hillary.

    Then he would have got to the bottom on what really happened in Benghazi instead of letting that vanish as well.

    All these were to Trump was as useful campaign props just like MAGA. Trump never had any intention of draining the swamp, replacing the ACA or help the working class.

    I suspect that Miller will follow Bannon out the door in the due time. I think the only reason both are still there is because both know a lot about what goes on behind the scenes and Trump doesn't know how to handle silencing them.

    I’m willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt as of this point. There’s a lot he got done in the first three months of his presidency whereas our previous president decided to go on a worldwide apology tour around the same time. There’s a lot for Trump to fix and he can’t fix everything all at once.

    Having said that, I understand why people are losing faith. Trump is shifting focus away from what he said he’d do to embrace neocon foreign policy initiatives, something he explicitly ran against and I don’t buy the 4D chess/triple bankshot meme for even a second. I’m hoping this is just a temporary diversion and in a matter of weeks, he will be back doing what he said he would do. I think the negative reactions from people like Ann Coulter kept Trump from pursuing more action against Syria. We can’t just be Trump cheerleaders while Kushner converts the administration into George W. Bush Part Deux. If people wanted a neocon, Jeb or Marco would have won the primaries. Trump needs to remember that.

    The biggest weakness seems to be Kushner’s ascendancy. He needed to have been fired yesterday.

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  96. @Opinionator
    But how does it make Miller look? Imagine how this article reads without Spencer in it.

    (Moreover, the interview further evidences Spencer's tin ear and foot-in-mouth propensity. He seems to lack the capacity to learn. Given yet another interview--and yet another chance to present himself in a better way--Spencer again drops the ball. His comment that the Duke lacrosse panel was "ironically" held at a Thai restaurant might be mildly snarky if Spencer didn't allow himself to be described as in fact a "White nationalist". His comment that the genocide course he helped teach was not a "how-to" course might be interpreted in a similar fashion, except that Spencer has been reported to actually welcome ethnic cleansing in the United States.)

    His comment that the genocide course he helped teach was not a “how-to” course might be interpreted in a similar fashion, except that Spencer has been reported to actually welcome ethnic cleansing in the United States.)

    The concept of ethnic cleansing is as mainstream as it gets in this country. The feds do it constantly at every level from the neighborhood to the nation.

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    The ACT of ethnic cleansing is as mainstream as it gets in this country
     
    Fixed that.
  97. @Lurker

    Hitler’s book would be a gas to read, full of Blood Libels
     
    I don't know, I suspect it would be more accurate than not.

    I don’t know, I suspect it would be more accurate than not.

    Here it is, take a look:
    http://jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/Bolshevism_From_Moses_to_Lenin.pdf

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  98. @Opinionator
    Richard Spencer - the gift that keeps on giving.

    Dude, you’ve made some great comments in the past BUT now your fixation on Spencer is becoming the same as Hillary voters blaming “Russia!” for their candidates’ loss.

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  99. Steve, you forgot the rest of that quote:

    While some tried to argue that, regardless of the facts of the case, the outcry had been necessary, given the fact that a poor, black woman had little reason to believe the system would protect her in the face of wealthy, white defendants, the case’s collapse made it more difficult to address the issues — privilege, jock culture, the university’s poor relations with neighboring Durham — that much of the campus agreed needed reckoning with.

    That poor, black woman, Crystal Mangum. was running a scam, just like Jesse Jackson has all his life. She would go on to kill her boyfriend and end up in jail. So, she may have had little reason to believe that the system would protect her, but that was because she was lying, and she knew it.

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    "she may have had little reason to believe that the system would protect her, but that was because she was lying, and she knew it"

    You have to go back before the lying, though. She was already wrapped up in "the system," having been involuntarily committed for being high and not cooperating with the police. The lie was to get her off the hook.
    , @Art Deco
    That poor, black woman, Crystal Mangum. was running a scam, just like Jesse Jackson has all his life.

    The poor, black woman was the daughter of a truck driver and born to a pair of married parents. She was capable enough academically to enter the Navy after she finished high school. She'd taken courses at the state college in Durham. This woman came from a quite unremarkable and mildly prosperous wage-earner family. She threw it away.
  100. @Opinionator
    Miller Lite just recently declared his unconditional dissawoment from Bannonism. ( aka “Bunyanism”?)


    Cite?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/stephen-miller-white-house-trump-237216

    “As the relationship between Kushner and Bannon has deteriorated, Miller has made sure his colleagues know he’s not on Bannon’s team. In interviews, seven White House officials described the emerging dynamics.”

    “Miller, who wrote Trump’s fiery “American carnage” inaugural address, continues to work on the president’s speeches but takes direction from others on their tone. He’s also begun working on energy and regulatory issues, while focusing less on immigration, the issue about which he’s long been most passionate.”

    Humorously, he’s still getting called a Nazi– Himmler– in the comment section.

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  101. @Paul Jolliffe
    Jared Kushner hired Jamie Gorelick in 2016 to advise him "how to comply with federal anti-nepotism and ethics laws" as he considered a possible role in the White House.

    Jamie Gorelick is a long-time mouthpiece for the ruling elite. Her roles have ranged from to co-authoring the 2006 9/11 Commission Report (which managed to omit entirely the bizarre fate of WTC 7) to serving on the board of I-Steve's favorite foundation: The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.

    She awarded TNC the "genius" grant.

    Why is she relevant to your question?

    Because Duke University hired her to defend them against the defamation lawsuits filed by the lacrosse team players.

    She quit after the judge let the lawsuit proceed.

    So, of all the lawyers Jared Kushner could have consulted with, he chose the shill (shrill?) for Duke and against the players.

    Does that answer your question?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick

    Jamie Gorelick is the Typhoid Mary of government fuckups in the last 3 decades. You could update the Rolling Stones’ “Sympathy for the Devil” using only situations in which she was involved.

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  102. @Hail
    Someone find Jared Kushner's reactions, at the time, to the Duke case.

    Kushner appears to represent everything Trump’s base despises in the globalist monoparty. Ivanka as well, if in a more attractive package.

    It’s too bad, but I think the Trumps’ genetic merger with the international bankers* is having an effect on the patriarch’s calculation of self interest.

    The Clintons also merged their posterity to the international bankers, so revealed preferences have something to say about current power dynamics.

    *Joking, sort of

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    revealed preferences have something to say about current power dynamics
     
    Inform the SPLC.
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    @Anon
    It's called Histrionic Personality Disorder. We have more of these people nowadays because broken families produce a higher percentage of children with personality problems, and we live in an era with a very high divorce rate compared to long-term historical trends.

    “It’s called Histrionic Personality Disorder. We have more of these people nowadays because broken families produce a higher percentage of children with personality problems…”

    This is true of some. But I think the problem for many is the opposite. They come from too pampered a family. Emma Sulk is a good example. Successful upper-middle class parents, privilege, elite college, having fun doing art. But she’s a viiiiiiictim!!!!

    I think a lot of psycho-social problems of the past had to do with repression of trauma. Times were hard and people were expected to be hard. You rolled with the punches. Don’t cry like a sissy. Don’t cry like a girl. Be normal. Be a man. Show you got a pair. Be respectable.
    There were lots of hard times and trauma from Great Depression and WWII. But many repressed the pain. They went on with their lives. They didn’t face their demons. Some of this trauma came out in forms of alcoholism, spouse abuse, child abuse, and etc. But society didn’t pay attention to most of those problems.

    CRUMB churns my stomach but is an interesting movie about repressed America. In the documentary, we hear that Crumb’s older brother was beaten up at school by bullies for no reason, and he just had to take it. There was no one’s shoulder to cry on back then. (Things may be different now, but not it sort of depends. If you are in a black school and attacked by blacks, that kind of violence is repressed by PC, or suspended blacks are made out to be the ‘victims of racism’.) I find Crumb’s story icky but also sad. And it also reminded me of Buchanan’s RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. Buchanan boys were toughies and ‘winners’. They are the ones who punched and bullied the ‘losers’ and ‘weirdos’. They acted like Ethan in THE SEARCHERS.

    [MORE]

    I see a kind of healthy male virility in Buchanan Boy antics and found the book pretty fun to read. But it has casualties: the bullied. Also, even the bullies sort of become victims of their own actions as they must repress compassion, which is natural. You see this in BRONX TALE, SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER, CASUALTIES OF WAR, etc. The pressure to be one of the guys and having to repress what is decent within you when things get too out of hand.
    Also, despite the healthiness of normality, it can also be repressive of the weird strange side of life that is interesting and creative in its own way. It’s no wonder that so much of arts and culture are made by weirdos like Kubrick and Lynch.

    http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/1995/06/the-significance-of-sniggering/

    http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/2016/11/crumb-reconsidered/

    Anyway, it used to be that society repressed too much of trauma. And even those who went through hell were expected to shush up about it. And since they repressed their pain and took it like a man, they expected others to do likewise, and this made for hard emotions. Tough but sometimes dehumanizing.

    Now, we have the opposite problem among many. In the past, people with real pain and trauma kept silent. They were too hard, and this led to psychological problems in some cases: nervous breakdown, alcoholism, secret fetishes, etc.

    Now, it is the very fear of trauma — traumaphobia? — that is leading to breakdowns. Kids who were pampered and protected. Always provided with counseling and goo-goo self-esteem stuff. And filled with virtue vanity by waving homo flag and go weepy-poo over MLK.
    They live in a bubble of babyish emotions.
    They want to be coddled and love feeling virtuous with their narrow iconography of holy PC.

    So, if they are brought in contact with anything that might ‘traumatize’ their precious bubble-world, they freak out worse than Travolta in BOY IN THE PLASTIC BUBBLE. Or that movie BUBBLE BOY. (The movie makes out the kids parents to be Reaganites but the most protective bubble-parents are Progs.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ1O1vb9AUU

    I didn’t like this Anderson movie much but it was illuminating of the shift in culture. The Greatest Gen had to do without therapy. They had to own and swallow the therapy.
    The Boomers rebelled and sought meaning and truth. But even this wasn’t the therapeutic generation since Boomers were too busy looking for fun and adventure. They were willing to take risks with drugs, sex, violence, and etc.
    Therapeutic culture really began with kids of boomers and esp Gen Xers. In a way, boomer parents were trying to protect their kids from both Greatest Gen and their own generation.
    They found the GG too ‘Archie Bunkerish’ and hard. But they felt their own generation had gone too crazy in the 80s with counter-culture. They didn’t want Altamont for their own kids.

    Also, Pop Culture and PC closed off minds of millennials. Pop Culture encourages kids to identify mainly with the Michael Jacksons of the world in their Neverland. This leads to a mindset of narcissism of fantasy. (CRAZY the movie about Canadian homo is effective in dramatizing the pull of family — it has a great father character — and pull of pop culture fantasies so appealing to homos who wanna lose themselves in fantasy.)
    As for PC, it cut one’s sense of roots. PC has no appreciation for the past. It judges everything by ideology. In the past, kids were expected to respect parents and grandparents. Today, PC has kids thinking ‘old people suck cuz they didn’t have gay marriage then’. This is the poison effect of ideology that reduces humanity to a few issues.

    In the past, the pain and hurt came from people with callused hands who had to pretend their hands didn’t hurt.
    Today, the pain comes from people with soft hands who fear their precious palms being pricked by truth and experience. Balm the palm.

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    I think there's a lot to be said for repression and moving on. The adult response, one might call it. If something really bothers you, revenge is a dish best served cold.
  104. @BB753
    "The players were declared innocent, legally speaking, but …"

    Not even the Pravda of old under Stalin would have dared to publish those lines.

    When the alt-left (is that even a word?) takes over again in 7 years, you can kiss rule of law, the Constitution and all its amendments goodbye.

    When the alt-left (is that even a word?) takes over again in 7 years, you can kiss rule of law, the Constitution and all its amendments goodbye.

    “In seven years?” “Again?” Don’t you follow current events? The leftist, uniparty, globohomoleucocidal monsters never left the building.

    At worst, Mr. Trump ran a con job on us, like a clever and obstinate child who merely runs the water to produce the expected sounds without actually washing his hands before dinner. (I am most inclined to believe this interpretation of events.)

    At best, he was once a sincere man who has been hornswaggled along the way – corrupted by the siren song of power, blinded by paternal affection for his Hebrew-crazed offspring and their mates, or simply being played like a fiddle by manipulative establishmentarians who’ve discovered he is far less clever and perspicacious than he likes to think he is.

    At the absolute best, the guy is Peter Pumpkinhead. (I discount this very remote possibility, because as far as I can tell the guy did’t try and fail; he never even tried, and almost right away, too….)

    In any event, we no longer live in the nation most of us were born into than did any Roman following the murder of Julius Cæsar.

    RESPICE DE PRÆTERITO STATU IMPERII ELATUS CECIDIT EST PROSPICE FUTURA

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    Good Latin quote and a nice reality check. Indeed, the Permanent Government still runs the show, but there's hope its power can be curtailed by presidential fiat. If only Pwetty Pwincess Ivanka and her beau could be evicted from the White House, Trump could regain his senses. My feeling is that he's still struggling to understand how the institutions really work (that is, not the way they should work constitutionally or even legally) and surrounded by neo-cucks posing as yes-men. From the start, I feared Trump was too old for the daunting task of restoring the Republic. Nothing short of a military coup could accomplish that task at this stage.
    , @Desiderius
    He couldn't fight both factions of the deep state at once. Divide and conquer was the only option, and since he was starting from a position of weakness, that require choosing an existing side.
  105. @Yak-15
    I believe the Bonfire made the incident seem ambiguous and uncertain.

    There’s no ambiguity as to the protagonist’s innocence in Bonfire of the Vanities–at least of the hit-and-run and later manslaughter charges–because his mistress was the one driving the car. Whether he’s guilty of other crimes, such as lying to the cops or being an accomplice, I guess. But there’s no doubt he ought to be acquitted of the charges against him.

    There is ambiguity as to whether the ad hoc roadblock from which they sped away was put there deliberately for purposes of carjacking, as well as whether the victim of the hit-and-run had malign intent in approaching them when they were stopped.

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  106. @Autochthon

    When the alt-left (is that even a word?) takes over again in 7 years, you can kiss rule of law, the Constitution and all its amendments goodbye.
     
    "In seven years?" "Again?" Don't you follow current events? The leftist, uniparty, globohomoleucocidal monsters never left the building.

    At worst, Mr. Trump ran a con job on us, like a clever and obstinate child who merely runs the water to produce the expected sounds without actually washing his hands before dinner. (I am most inclined to believe this interpretation of events.)

    At best, he was once a sincere man who has been hornswaggled along the way – corrupted by the siren song of power, blinded by paternal affection for his Hebrew-crazed offspring and their mates, or simply being played like a fiddle by manipulative establishmentarians who've discovered he is far less clever and perspicacious than he likes to think he is.

    At the absolute best, the guy is Peter Pumpkinhead. (I discount this very remote possibility, because as far as I can tell the guy did't try and fail; he never even tried, and almost right away, too....)

    In any event, we no longer live in the nation most of us were born into than did any Roman following the murder of Julius Cæsar.

    RESPICE DE PRÆTERITO STATU IMPERII ELATUS CECIDIT EST PROSPICE FUTURA
     

    Good Latin quote and a nice reality check. Indeed, the Permanent Government still runs the show, but there’s hope its power can be curtailed by presidential fiat. If only Pwetty Pwincess Ivanka and her beau could be evicted from the White House, Trump could regain his senses. My feeling is that he’s still struggling to understand how the institutions really work (that is, not the way they should work constitutionally or even legally) and surrounded by neo-cucks posing as yes-men. From the start, I feared Trump was too old for the daunting task of restoring the Republic. Nothing short of a military coup could accomplish that task at this stage.

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  107. @kihowi
    Our immediate forefathers would have said that this was their own stupid fault for wanting that kind of service from that kind of woman.

    They'd say "immoral" but the actual reason was that people who take their clothes off for money are dysfunctional and dangerous for normal people to be in contact with.

    It's a failure of parenting. It should have been made clear to them that the world of movies and tv is not real. Crystal Mangum is not just like you and me.

    Maybe, but it definitely served as an object lesson for many young people who were from five years younger and older than the accused Duke students:
    1) They learned their teachers are very much against them.
    2) Law enforcement were also against them.
    3) Blacks are fully capable of falsely accusing whites.

    The case laid bare the identities of the enemies.

    People noticed.

    They definitely noticed.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Missouri had its own variation of the object lesson, and saw declining enrollment and mothballed dormitories. Sunlight really is a disinfectant, and more is needed.
  108. Innermost circle of Hell

    Journalists
    Bureaucrats
    Sociologists

    “But” has become a leftist word. The Bush memos were fake BUT accurate. The First Amendment protects speech BUT not hate speech. Free speech for me BUT not for thee. But is the sure marker of leftist double standards.

    Like PeeWee Herman said: everybody’s got a great big but.

    The Bush memos were fake BUT accurate.

    Like the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion!

    The players were not “acquitted,” which would mean there was a trial and a verdict. NEVER HAPPENED. The North Carolina Attorney General, Roy Cooper, tossed out the case after a lengthy investigation and declared the players innocent.

    Which almost never happens, according to what I read at the time. In layman’s terms, this means “holy shit, this is false prosecution. I could get disbarred if I let this travesty continue.” Seriously, a loooot of cases make it to court when the average person would consider them utterly baseless. That this one couldn’t even get that far was telling. Pretty much nobody gets a summary ruling of “innocent” before a case goes to trial, because pretty much nobody goes as full retard on an obviously phony case as Nifong did.

    Come to think of it, I actually feel for the (lying, murdering) stripper girl here – she was sent out on a job and not accurately informed about what it involved, and ended up being humiliated, maybe.

    How could a stripper ever expect to be humiliated in the course of her job? Why, the very idea!

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    • Replies: @Autochthon

    Pretty much nobody gets a summary ruling of “innocent” before a case goes to trial....
     
    Not so; it remains fairly common for decent prosecutors to decline to prosecute when they learn the facts of the case are undeniably exculpatory, just as it is for police to decline to take action if they determine in their discretion it is unwarranted. One simply seldom hears of such cases, just as one seldom if ever learns the details of crimes gotten away with....

    These data are somewhat old, but representative and easy to find. N.B. Table 2.3, on the report's twelfth page. In the year covered, out of 193,021 investigations by police, 30,670 times federal prosecutors declined to file charges – about fifteen percent of the time. In 7,699 of those cases the prosecutor determined no crime had occurred notwithstanding the police's investigations and recommendations; in 8,314 cases prosecutors determined evidence was insufficient, witnesses unreliable or uncooperative, or similar reasons precluded prosecution.

    I will add that these situations – while a Hell of a lot preferable to the horrors of being tried for (or, God forbid, convicted of!) a crime one did not commit – are cold comfort to the wrongfully accused.

    Prosecutors do not always reach the decision not to proceed sua sponte; after all, they are working from the obviously biased data police provide (presumably, police seldom arrest and accuse those they don't think guilty). Convincing a prosecutor not to proceed often requires enormous expenditures by defendants on lawyers and investigators to collect and present exculpatory evidence to the prosecutors' office, and if that work is not done quickly, before charges are formally filed, prosecutors gain incentive to proceed for the sake of consistency and appearances before the courts (and, often as elected officials, the courts of public opinion). The mental anguish is also immeasurable – terror of imprisonment, social ostracism, lost prospects for employment, and so on. Because time is of the essence and the efforts are expensive, the destitute, if wrongly accused, is especially likely to be also wrongly charged and possibly wrongly convicted – public defenders are not even assigned unless and until charges are indeed formally filed.

    And when it is all said and done, there is no refund for the thousands of dollars spent defending onseself and the accompanying nightmare. What's more, unless and until the statute of limitations expires, the prosecutor retains the prerogative in these situations to re-open the matter at any time, for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all. It hangs like Damocles' sword over the head of the wrongfully accused, often facilitating driving the accused out of town and informally extracting any number of other concessions from him.

    Thus, while the data demonstrat good eggs continue to exercie discretion justly, it remains best, whenever possible, to avoid any and all interaction with police and the criminal courts whatsoever, because, as Sam Francis and Paul Craig Roberts have observed, under the growing tyranny of modernity, these institutions have increasingly little to do with justtice.
  109. Sorry, I meant to write, “pretty much nobody goes as full retard on an obviously phony case as Nifong and Big Media did.”

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  110. @Joe Schmoe
    Maybe, but it definitely served as an object lesson for many young people who were from five years younger and older than the accused Duke students:
    1) They learned their teachers are very much against them.
    2) Law enforcement were also against them.
    3) Blacks are fully capable of falsely accusing whites.

    The case laid bare the identities of the enemies.

    People noticed.

    They definitely noticed.

    Missouri had its own variation of the object lesson, and saw declining enrollment and mothballed dormitories. Sunlight really is a disinfectant, and more is needed.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The game (for power) is normaller than thou.

    This shit ain't close to normal.
  111. @Broski
    Kushner appears to represent everything Trump's base despises in the globalist monoparty. Ivanka as well, if in a more attractive package.

    It's too bad, but I think the Trumps' genetic merger with the international bankers* is having an effect on the patriarch's calculation of self interest.

    The Clintons also merged their posterity to the international bankers, so revealed preferences have something to say about current power dynamics.

    *Joking, sort of

    revealed preferences have something to say about current power dynamics

    Inform the SPLC.

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  112. @ben tillman

    His comment that the genocide course he helped teach was not a “how-to” course might be interpreted in a similar fashion, except that Spencer has been reported to actually welcome ethnic cleansing in the United States.)
     
    The concept of ethnic cleansing is as mainstream as it gets in this country. The feds do it constantly at every level from the neighborhood to the nation.

    The ACT of ethnic cleansing is as mainstream as it gets in this country

    Fixed that.

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  113. @Dave Pinsen
    I loved it when I first read it, when I was only a couple years older than you. That was in 1990 or 1991 though, so Tawana Brawley had already happened, and there were other local incidents that tied into some of the themes (e.g., the shooting of a truant black teenage delinquent, Phillip Pannell, was an early example of burnishing the image of a dead black teen. Like Travon Martin decades later, the papers published a cherubic, younger photo of him, etc.).

    But even if it didn't prove prophetic in so many ways, it was incredibly funny, entertaining, and more insightful about race, ethnicity, and class than any other American novel that comes to mind.

    Yeah, I thought it was too “negative.” I was 17, after all. My high school English teacher prescribed Chekhov as a cure.

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  114. @Ivy
    Missouri had its own variation of the object lesson, and saw declining enrollment and mothballed dormitories. Sunlight really is a disinfectant, and more is needed.

    The game (for power) is normaller than thou.

    This shit ain’t close to normal.

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  115. @Autochthon

    When the alt-left (is that even a word?) takes over again in 7 years, you can kiss rule of law, the Constitution and all its amendments goodbye.
     
    "In seven years?" "Again?" Don't you follow current events? The leftist, uniparty, globohomoleucocidal monsters never left the building.

    At worst, Mr. Trump ran a con job on us, like a clever and obstinate child who merely runs the water to produce the expected sounds without actually washing his hands before dinner. (I am most inclined to believe this interpretation of events.)

    At best, he was once a sincere man who has been hornswaggled along the way – corrupted by the siren song of power, blinded by paternal affection for his Hebrew-crazed offspring and their mates, or simply being played like a fiddle by manipulative establishmentarians who've discovered he is far less clever and perspicacious than he likes to think he is.

    At the absolute best, the guy is Peter Pumpkinhead. (I discount this very remote possibility, because as far as I can tell the guy did't try and fail; he never even tried, and almost right away, too....)

    In any event, we no longer live in the nation most of us were born into than did any Roman following the murder of Julius Cæsar.

    RESPICE DE PRÆTERITO STATU IMPERII ELATUS CECIDIT EST PROSPICE FUTURA
     

    He couldn’t fight both factions of the deep state at once. Divide and conquer was the only option, and since he was starting from a position of weakness, that require choosing an existing side.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Which side is he fighting?

    • He's not deporting invaders. Every five minutes his lot scramble to reassure us they will only deport invaders who commit some other crime, and serious one, a felony, at that; anyone who merely invaded the place to undercut wages, increase rents, and overburden already failing ecologies and infrastructures is more than welcome to come make taco bowls for him and clean rooms at his resorts.

    • He's done nothing about student visas, the H1-B racket and related legal immigration and its ravages, despite vows that he would in his own position-papers. He is continuing to flood the nation with invaders claiming to be refugees, the better to accelerate the raping of disabled blonde toddlers in Idaho and elsewhere.

    • He's sending the United States Navy into harm's way and expending its resources to meddle in Syria's civil war and protect the Koreans and Japanese. He also spends an inordinate amount of time and resources gabbling about "the Russians!" to accommodate the opposition, rather than reframing matters to demonstrate Russia's very limited relevance to the U.S.A. America First, and all that.

    • He's proposed no tariffs, no legislation to repeal the North American Free Trade Agreement, nor any other similar matters involving trading arrangements which destroy Americans' livelihoods and industrial capacity.

    I concede that he did not approve the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and signed an order to exclude travelers from some nasty places (although continuing to welcome those from even nastier places).

    Just whom is he taking on? I don't mean to be abrasive or obtuse; I genuinely cannot understand what positive work the man has done.

    , @lavoisier
    He would have a chance to fight BOTH factions of the deep state fueled by the same root if he maintained faith with his supporters among the people. Either he totally gets with the program fast--illegals out, restrictions on Muslim immigration, law and order, and not being neoconned into fighting wars for Israel--or he will lose that support. He is on the verge of losing that support now with his banishment of Bannon and elevation of Miller and Kushner.

    The movement that elected Trump is far bigger than Trump. We had hopes that he could contain his outsized ego and recognize his limited intellect and surround himself with advisors like Bannon who could guide him to advocating for sane policies that put America first. That hope is fading fast. If Trump dumps Bannon, I believe the man is doomed and our movement will shift to another hope. It will be a huge disappointment, but his candidacy has paved the way for another person of real substance and genuine intellect to lead us out of our leftist wilderness.

    At this critical time in our nation's history I would have thought that Jeff Sessions or Kris Kobach would have run for the nomination, recognizing the fragile nature of our Republic. Instead we got Donald Trump, who is beginning to look like a more incompetent and easily manipulated version of Bush.

  116. @Anonymous
    This comment might earn me some hate here, but...
    this seems like a legitimate - by which I mean actual -instance of "white privilege".
    These guys simply assumed that in hiring a stripper, they were going to get a sexy, horny white girl. But they "knew" that they were not supposed to be overtly "racist" about it, and yet couldn't hide their genuine disappointment.
    Come to think of it, I actually feel for the (lying, murdering) stripper girl here - she was sent out on a job and not accurately informed about what it involved, and ended up being humiliated, maybe. It doesn't justify false accusations or murder or whatever else she's done, but I feel for her as a human being.

    These guys simply assumed that in hiring a stripper, they were going to get a sexy, horny white girl. But they “knew” that they were not supposed to be overtly “racist” about it….

    Actually, they said they didn’t want a black stripper. So there was no assuming and no cowardice.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Actually there was. Say they had ordered two white CHAIRS instead of 2 white strippers. The delivery guy shows up with 2 black CHAIRS. They wouldn't have hesitated to send the guy away in an instant - this isn't what I ordered. But because of the whole racial baggage thing, they were afraid to do this with the strippers. Far from being evil racists, they were just as infected with PC as every other Duke student.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    IIRC, at the time, the reports were that the players specifically requested black strippers. Enter Jesse Jackson to promptly declare this an act of racism. Then reports were that the players had actually requested white strippers. Re-Enter Jesse Jackson to promptly declare this absolute proof of the players' racism.
  117. @Svigor
    Innermost circle of Hell

    Journalists
    Bureaucrats
    Sociologists

    “But” has become a leftist word. The Bush memos were fake BUT accurate. The First Amendment protects speech BUT not hate speech. Free speech for me BUT not for thee. But is the sure marker of leftist double standards.
     
    Like PeeWee Herman said: everybody's got a great big but.

    The Bush memos were fake BUT accurate.
     
    Like the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion!

    The players were not “acquitted,” which would mean there was a trial and a verdict. NEVER HAPPENED. The North Carolina Attorney General, Roy Cooper, tossed out the case after a lengthy investigation and declared the players innocent.
     
    Which almost never happens, according to what I read at the time. In layman's terms, this means "holy shit, this is false prosecution. I could get disbarred if I let this travesty continue." Seriously, a loooot of cases make it to court when the average person would consider them utterly baseless. That this one couldn't even get that far was telling. Pretty much nobody gets a summary ruling of "innocent" before a case goes to trial, because pretty much nobody goes as full retard on an obviously phony case as Nifong did.

    Come to think of it, I actually feel for the (lying, murdering) stripper girl here – she was sent out on a job and not accurately informed about what it involved, and ended up being humiliated, maybe.
     
    How could a stripper ever expect to be humiliated in the course of her job? Why, the very idea!

    Pretty much nobody gets a summary ruling of “innocent” before a case goes to trial….

    Not so; it remains fairly common for decent prosecutors to decline to prosecute when they learn the facts of the case are undeniably exculpatory, just as it is for police to decline to take action if they determine in their discretion it is unwarranted. One simply seldom hears of such cases, just as one seldom if ever learns the details of crimes gotten away with….

    These data are somewhat old, but representative and easy to find. N.B. Table 2.3, on the report’s twelfth page. In the year covered, out of 193,021 investigations by police, 30,670 times federal prosecutors declined to file charges – about fifteen percent of the time. In 7,699 of those cases the prosecutor determined no crime had occurred notwithstanding the police’s investigations and recommendations; in 8,314 cases prosecutors determined evidence was insufficient, witnesses unreliable or uncooperative, or similar reasons precluded prosecution.

    I will add that these situations – while a Hell of a lot preferable to the horrors of being tried for (or, God forbid, convicted of!) a crime one did not commit – are cold comfort to the wrongfully accused.

    Prosecutors do not always reach the decision not to proceed sua sponte; after all, they are working from the obviously biased data police provide (presumably, police seldom arrest and accuse those they don’t think guilty). Convincing a prosecutor not to proceed often requires enormous expenditures by defendants on lawyers and investigators to collect and present exculpatory evidence to the prosecutors’ office, and if that work is not done quickly, before charges are formally filed, prosecutors gain incentive to proceed for the sake of consistency and appearances before the courts (and, often as elected officials, the courts of public opinion). The mental anguish is also immeasurable – terror of imprisonment, social ostracism, lost prospects for employment, and so on. Because time is of the essence and the efforts are expensive, the destitute, if wrongly accused, is especially likely to be also wrongly charged and possibly wrongly convicted – public defenders are not even assigned unless and until charges are indeed formally filed.

    And when it is all said and done, there is no refund for the thousands of dollars spent defending onseself and the accompanying nightmare. What’s more, unless and until the statute of limitations expires, the prosecutor retains the prerogative in these situations to re-open the matter at any time, for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all. It hangs like Damocles’ sword over the head of the wrongfully accused, often facilitating driving the accused out of town and informally extracting any number of other concessions from him.

    Thus, while the data demonstrat good eggs continue to exercie discretion justly, it remains best, whenever possible, to avoid any and all interaction with police and the criminal courts whatsoever, because, as Sam Francis and Paul Craig Roberts have observed, under the growing tyranny of modernity, these institutions have increasingly little to do with justtice.

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    • Replies: @guest
    "Not so; it remains fairly common for decent prosecutors to decline to prosecute...just as it is for police to decline to take action..."

    There's a world of difference between that and what happened in the Duke case, where we saw the Attorney General declare the defendants innocent on national tv. That was highly unusual, a consequence of intense MSM scrutiny and the DA having made a gigantic ass of himself.

  118. @Desiderius
    He couldn't fight both factions of the deep state at once. Divide and conquer was the only option, and since he was starting from a position of weakness, that require choosing an existing side.

    Which side is he fighting?

    • He’s not deporting invaders. Every five minutes his lot scramble to reassure us they will only deport invaders who commit some other crime, and serious one, a felony, at that; anyone who merely invaded the place to undercut wages, increase rents, and overburden already failing ecologies and infrastructures is more than welcome to come make taco bowls for him and clean rooms at his resorts.

    • He’s done nothing about student visas, the H1-B racket and related legal immigration and its ravages, despite vows that he would in his own position-papers. He is continuing to flood the nation with invaders claiming to be refugees, the better to accelerate the raping of disabled blonde toddlers in Idaho and elsewhere.

    • He’s sending the United States Navy into harm’s way and expending its resources to meddle in Syria’s civil war and protect the Koreans and Japanese. He also spends an inordinate amount of time and resources gabbling about “the Russians!” to accommodate the opposition, rather than reframing matters to demonstrate Russia’s very limited relevance to the U.S.A. America First, and all that.

    • He’s proposed no tariffs, no legislation to repeal the North American Free Trade Agreement, nor any other similar matters involving trading arrangements which destroy Americans’ livelihoods and industrial capacity.

    I concede that he did not approve the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and signed an order to exclude travelers from some nasty places (although continuing to welcome those from even nastier places).

    Just whom is he taking on? I don’t mean to be abrasive or obtuse; I genuinely cannot understand what positive work the man has done.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    From WaPo:

    https://twitter.com/crampell/status/853815242677268480
    , @Bill
    Nice series of comments.
    , @Karl
    126 Authochthon > He’s proposed no tariffs


    I cannot think of any good examples of a tariff , giving birth to a domestic industry-segment that became internationally competitive.


    I have no quarrel with your other points.
  119. “…declared innocent, legally speaking…”

    “legally speaking” is about as sinister a phrase as I’ve ever read. The election of Trump and its attendant hysteria has infected anti-white rhetoric generally, in part because Trump’s our “fault” of course, but also by its own misguided logic. If Trump is Hitler, if his “Muslim ban” is Holocaust prep, well, the assessment of those supporting these things–generic white people, in their estimation–will have to be adjusted accordingly.

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  120. @Autochthon

    Pretty much nobody gets a summary ruling of “innocent” before a case goes to trial....
     
    Not so; it remains fairly common for decent prosecutors to decline to prosecute when they learn the facts of the case are undeniably exculpatory, just as it is for police to decline to take action if they determine in their discretion it is unwarranted. One simply seldom hears of such cases, just as one seldom if ever learns the details of crimes gotten away with....

    These data are somewhat old, but representative and easy to find. N.B. Table 2.3, on the report's twelfth page. In the year covered, out of 193,021 investigations by police, 30,670 times federal prosecutors declined to file charges – about fifteen percent of the time. In 7,699 of those cases the prosecutor determined no crime had occurred notwithstanding the police's investigations and recommendations; in 8,314 cases prosecutors determined evidence was insufficient, witnesses unreliable or uncooperative, or similar reasons precluded prosecution.

    I will add that these situations – while a Hell of a lot preferable to the horrors of being tried for (or, God forbid, convicted of!) a crime one did not commit – are cold comfort to the wrongfully accused.

    Prosecutors do not always reach the decision not to proceed sua sponte; after all, they are working from the obviously biased data police provide (presumably, police seldom arrest and accuse those they don't think guilty). Convincing a prosecutor not to proceed often requires enormous expenditures by defendants on lawyers and investigators to collect and present exculpatory evidence to the prosecutors' office, and if that work is not done quickly, before charges are formally filed, prosecutors gain incentive to proceed for the sake of consistency and appearances before the courts (and, often as elected officials, the courts of public opinion). The mental anguish is also immeasurable – terror of imprisonment, social ostracism, lost prospects for employment, and so on. Because time is of the essence and the efforts are expensive, the destitute, if wrongly accused, is especially likely to be also wrongly charged and possibly wrongly convicted – public defenders are not even assigned unless and until charges are indeed formally filed.

    And when it is all said and done, there is no refund for the thousands of dollars spent defending onseself and the accompanying nightmare. What's more, unless and until the statute of limitations expires, the prosecutor retains the prerogative in these situations to re-open the matter at any time, for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all. It hangs like Damocles' sword over the head of the wrongfully accused, often facilitating driving the accused out of town and informally extracting any number of other concessions from him.

    Thus, while the data demonstrat good eggs continue to exercie discretion justly, it remains best, whenever possible, to avoid any and all interaction with police and the criminal courts whatsoever, because, as Sam Francis and Paul Craig Roberts have observed, under the growing tyranny of modernity, these institutions have increasingly little to do with justtice.

    “Not so; it remains fairly common for decent prosecutors to decline to prosecute…just as it is for police to decline to take action…”

    There’s a world of difference between that and what happened in the Duke case, where we saw the Attorney General declare the defendants innocent on national tv. That was highly unusual, a consequence of intense MSM scrutiny and the DA having made a gigantic ass of himself.

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  121. @Peripatetic commenter
    Steve, you forgot the rest of that quote:

    While some tried to argue that, regardless of the facts of the case, the outcry had been necessary, given the fact that a poor, black woman had little reason to believe the system would protect her in the face of wealthy, white defendants, the case’s collapse made it more difficult to address the issues — privilege, jock culture, the university’s poor relations with neighboring Durham — that much of the campus agreed needed reckoning with.
     
    That poor, black woman, Crystal Mangum. was running a scam, just like Jesse Jackson has all his life. She would go on to kill her boyfriend and end up in jail. So, she may have had little reason to believe that the system would protect her, but that was because she was lying, and she knew it.

    “she may have had little reason to believe that the system would protect her, but that was because she was lying, and she knew it”

    You have to go back before the lying, though. She was already wrapped up in “the system,” having been involuntarily committed for being high and not cooperating with the police. The lie was to get her off the hook.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Crystal Mangum had about as much brains as a 2nd grader. Her accusation was formulated spontaneously in a instant because it looked like she was getting in trouble at that moment and was looking for a "dog ate my homework" type excuse. So the blame is really all on the whites who took her obviously phony accusation and ran with it for their own purposes - the Durham prosecutor, the faculty, etc.

    The fact that she even thought that the accusation would be taken as plausible and serious (as it in fact was) shows how much the South has changed - "back in the day" she would never have dared to make such as accusation and if she had, no white prosecutor would have given it serious consideration.

  122. @Autochthon
    Which side is he fighting?

    • He's not deporting invaders. Every five minutes his lot scramble to reassure us they will only deport invaders who commit some other crime, and serious one, a felony, at that; anyone who merely invaded the place to undercut wages, increase rents, and overburden already failing ecologies and infrastructures is more than welcome to come make taco bowls for him and clean rooms at his resorts.

    • He's done nothing about student visas, the H1-B racket and related legal immigration and its ravages, despite vows that he would in his own position-papers. He is continuing to flood the nation with invaders claiming to be refugees, the better to accelerate the raping of disabled blonde toddlers in Idaho and elsewhere.

    • He's sending the United States Navy into harm's way and expending its resources to meddle in Syria's civil war and protect the Koreans and Japanese. He also spends an inordinate amount of time and resources gabbling about "the Russians!" to accommodate the opposition, rather than reframing matters to demonstrate Russia's very limited relevance to the U.S.A. America First, and all that.

    • He's proposed no tariffs, no legislation to repeal the North American Free Trade Agreement, nor any other similar matters involving trading arrangements which destroy Americans' livelihoods and industrial capacity.

    I concede that he did not approve the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and signed an order to exclude travelers from some nasty places (although continuing to welcome those from even nastier places).

    Just whom is he taking on? I don't mean to be abrasive or obtuse; I genuinely cannot understand what positive work the man has done.

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  123. If accurate (governmental statistics are perennially suspect as Hell), these data and the underlying enforcement are laudable window-dressing, but their effect risibly negligible. Only a full-scale expulsion of the invaders present and repulsion of those yet pouring in can make any difference. If the man is so keen to employ the military, he might start by having it protect the U.S.A. from actual enemies by doing these things.

    Rounding the reported numbers, his techniques remove some six thousand invaders per four months, or eightteen thousand per year. Assuming eleven million illegal invaders currently present and an absolute halt to any additional influx, in a mere six hundred and eleven years the nation will be rid of its illegal invaders. Of course, long before then the place will have been transformed into a collection of Cupertinos, Irvines, and Pleasantons via desperately needed legal invaders.

    I wonder if actual Americans will at least be allowed to operate casinos and sell duty-free tobacco and soylent from our reservations outside Brawley during the short lives we’ll be permitted before Carousel at thirty to ensure the empire’s population of five billion or so remains managable.

    Trump’s spawn, of course, welcome their new Sino-Hindu overlords. The definite article attached to The Donald suggests confidence his line’s slope will achieve Amaranth in any event….

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  124. @Anonymous
    If you're interested in Tom Wolfe and Duke U., I Am Charlotte Simmons is a winner. It is set at a fictional school that is more of a cross between UPenn, Swarthmore and Duke, but there's a lot of Duke... and sex, and campus absurdity, and racial politics.

    (I'm pretty sure it's not allowed to put Amazon Affiliate links in the comments... especially for Anonymous.)

    What I remember about “I Am Charlotte Simmons” was just HOW MUCH SEX the athletes were having, and also that they were virtually gods on campus. Raw masculine athletic virtuosity was worshiped to the exclusion of nearly anything else. The University administration were willing to move mountains to protect athletes. The Affaire de Duke seemed to show the opposite: that on the flimsiest of pretexts the administration, the campus, the faculty, the press, heck the ALUMNI and entire student body, were all eager to believe a preposterous tale of antebellum Southern Gothic white racist sexual debauchery and objectification. With nothing but the word of a very sketchy downmarket stripper and petty thief, they were eager to spin a yarn of “privilege” and “white supremacy” yadda yadda, very much like the overwrought story of “Jackie”, and then pin it all on a group of high performing male student athletes. If anything, I think Wolfe got his story only half-right. There is a lot more going on there.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Big difference between basketball at Duke/U. of North Carolina and lacrosse.
  125. @Abe Humbles
    What I remember about "I Am Charlotte Simmons" was just HOW MUCH SEX the athletes were having, and also that they were virtually gods on campus. Raw masculine athletic virtuosity was worshiped to the exclusion of nearly anything else. The University administration were willing to move mountains to protect athletes. The Affaire de Duke seemed to show the opposite: that on the flimsiest of pretexts the administration, the campus, the faculty, the press, heck the ALUMNI and entire student body, were all eager to believe a preposterous tale of antebellum Southern Gothic white racist sexual debauchery and objectification. With nothing but the word of a very sketchy downmarket stripper and petty thief, they were eager to spin a yarn of "privilege" and "white supremacy" yadda yadda, very much like the overwrought story of "Jackie", and then pin it all on a group of high performing male student athletes. If anything, I think Wolfe got his story only half-right. There is a lot more going on there.

    Big difference between basketball at Duke/U. of North Carolina and lacrosse.

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    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    Also see Wolfe's massive novel A Man In Full (issued sometime between The Bonfire of the Vanities and I Am Charlotte Simmons, in the mid-1990's), for the very different way that conflict plays out when the accused is a black football star at Georgia Tech, and the victim is a white coed from a rich, prominent family with serious ties to the Atlanta business community and old-boy network based in the private homes and clubs of Buckhead. As our host puts it, there's a substantial difference between revenue-producing sports like football and men's basketball on the one hand, and every other sport on the other.
    , @Desiderius
    They'd do the same to the basketball/football players if they could get away with it, and do when they can. A lot of the furor at the lacrosse players was repressed resentment against the big ticket crowd unleashed.
  126. @Anon
    "It’s called Histrionic Personality Disorder. We have more of these people nowadays because broken families produce a higher percentage of children with personality problems..."

    This is true of some. But I think the problem for many is the opposite. They come from too pampered a family. Emma Sulk is a good example. Successful upper-middle class parents, privilege, elite college, having fun doing art. But she's a viiiiiiictim!!!!

    I think a lot of psycho-social problems of the past had to do with repression of trauma. Times were hard and people were expected to be hard. You rolled with the punches. Don't cry like a sissy. Don't cry like a girl. Be normal. Be a man. Show you got a pair. Be respectable.
    There were lots of hard times and trauma from Great Depression and WWII. But many repressed the pain. They went on with their lives. They didn't face their demons. Some of this trauma came out in forms of alcoholism, spouse abuse, child abuse, and etc. But society didn't pay attention to most of those problems.

    CRUMB churns my stomach but is an interesting movie about repressed America. In the documentary, we hear that Crumb's older brother was beaten up at school by bullies for no reason, and he just had to take it. There was no one's shoulder to cry on back then. (Things may be different now, but not it sort of depends. If you are in a black school and attacked by blacks, that kind of violence is repressed by PC, or suspended blacks are made out to be the 'victims of racism'.) I find Crumb's story icky but also sad. And it also reminded me of Buchanan's RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. Buchanan boys were toughies and 'winners'. They are the ones who punched and bullied the 'losers' and 'weirdos'. They acted like Ethan in THE SEARCHERS.



    I see a kind of healthy male virility in Buchanan Boy antics and found the book pretty fun to read. But it has casualties: the bullied. Also, even the bullies sort of become victims of their own actions as they must repress compassion, which is natural. You see this in BRONX TALE, SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER, CASUALTIES OF WAR, etc. The pressure to be one of the guys and having to repress what is decent within you when things get too out of hand.
    Also, despite the healthiness of normality, it can also be repressive of the weird strange side of life that is interesting and creative in its own way. It's no wonder that so much of arts and culture are made by weirdos like Kubrick and Lynch.

    http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/1995/06/the-significance-of-sniggering/

    http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/2016/11/crumb-reconsidered/

    Anyway, it used to be that society repressed too much of trauma. And even those who went through hell were expected to shush up about it. And since they repressed their pain and took it like a man, they expected others to do likewise, and this made for hard emotions. Tough but sometimes dehumanizing.

    Now, we have the opposite problem among many. In the past, people with real pain and trauma kept silent. They were too hard, and this led to psychological problems in some cases: nervous breakdown, alcoholism, secret fetishes, etc.

    Now, it is the very fear of trauma -- traumaphobia? -- that is leading to breakdowns. Kids who were pampered and protected. Always provided with counseling and goo-goo self-esteem stuff. And filled with virtue vanity by waving homo flag and go weepy-poo over MLK.
    They live in a bubble of babyish emotions.
    They want to be coddled and love feeling virtuous with their narrow iconography of holy PC.

    So, if they are brought in contact with anything that might 'traumatize' their precious bubble-world, they freak out worse than Travolta in BOY IN THE PLASTIC BUBBLE. Or that movie BUBBLE BOY. (The movie makes out the kids parents to be Reaganites but the most protective bubble-parents are Progs.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ1O1vb9AUU

    I didn't like this Anderson movie much but it was illuminating of the shift in culture. The Greatest Gen had to do without therapy. They had to own and swallow the therapy.
    The Boomers rebelled and sought meaning and truth. But even this wasn't the therapeutic generation since Boomers were too busy looking for fun and adventure. They were willing to take risks with drugs, sex, violence, and etc.
    Therapeutic culture really began with kids of boomers and esp Gen Xers. In a way, boomer parents were trying to protect their kids from both Greatest Gen and their own generation.
    They found the GG too 'Archie Bunkerish' and hard. But they felt their own generation had gone too crazy in the 80s with counter-culture. They didn't want Altamont for their own kids.

    Also, Pop Culture and PC closed off minds of millennials. Pop Culture encourages kids to identify mainly with the Michael Jacksons of the world in their Neverland. This leads to a mindset of narcissism of fantasy. (CRAZY the movie about Canadian homo is effective in dramatizing the pull of family -- it has a great father character -- and pull of pop culture fantasies so appealing to homos who wanna lose themselves in fantasy.)
    As for PC, it cut one's sense of roots. PC has no appreciation for the past. It judges everything by ideology. In the past, kids were expected to respect parents and grandparents. Today, PC has kids thinking 'old people suck cuz they didn't have gay marriage then'. This is the poison effect of ideology that reduces humanity to a few issues.

    In the past, the pain and hurt came from people with callused hands who had to pretend their hands didn't hurt.
    Today, the pain comes from people with soft hands who fear their precious palms being pricked by truth and experience. Balm the palm.

    I think there’s a lot to be said for repression and moving on. The adult response, one might call it. If something really bothers you, revenge is a dish best served cold.

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  127. @Steve Sailer
    Big difference between basketball at Duke/U. of North Carolina and lacrosse.

    Also see Wolfe’s massive novel A Man In Full (issued sometime between The Bonfire of the Vanities and I Am Charlotte Simmons, in the mid-1990′s), for the very different way that conflict plays out when the accused is a black football star at Georgia Tech, and the victim is a white coed from a rich, prominent family with serious ties to the Atlanta business community and old-boy network based in the private homes and clubs of Buckhead. As our host puts it, there’s a substantial difference between revenue-producing sports like football and men’s basketball on the one hand, and every other sport on the other.

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  128. Not so; it remains fairly common for decent prosecutors to decline to prosecute when they learn the facts of the case are undeniably exculpatory, just as it is for police to decline to take action if they determine in their discretion it is unwarranted. One simply seldom hears of such cases, just as one seldom if ever learns the details of crimes gotten away with….

    I’ll take your word for it that this (which I wouldn’t think is that rare; everybody knows about simple prosecutorial discretion, police refusing to file charges) goes hand in hand with a declaration of innocence. But I remember reading at the time that the latter is very rare.

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  129. @guest
    "she may have had little reason to believe that the system would protect her, but that was because she was lying, and she knew it"

    You have to go back before the lying, though. She was already wrapped up in "the system," having been involuntarily committed for being high and not cooperating with the police. The lie was to get her off the hook.

    Crystal Mangum had about as much brains as a 2nd grader. Her accusation was formulated spontaneously in a instant because it looked like she was getting in trouble at that moment and was looking for a “dog ate my homework” type excuse. So the blame is really all on the whites who took her obviously phony accusation and ran with it for their own purposes – the Durham prosecutor, the faculty, etc.

    The fact that she even thought that the accusation would be taken as plausible and serious (as it in fact was) shows how much the South has changed – “back in the day” she would never have dared to make such as accusation and if she had, no white prosecutor would have given it serious consideration.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    No. She finished high school and was in the Navy for a time. IIRC, the Navy does not accept as recruits people who score below the 15th percentile of the general population on certain examinations they administer. She'd taken courses at the local state college. 'Impetuous', 'unscrupulous', 'deficient in character', 'mendacious', 'strung out', 'histrionic', and 'slutty' all describe CGM. 'Grossly deficient intellectually' does not.
  130. @Steve Sailer
    Big difference between basketball at Duke/U. of North Carolina and lacrosse.

    They’d do the same to the basketball/football players if they could get away with it, and do when they can. A lot of the furor at the lacrosse players was repressed resentment against the big ticket crowd unleashed.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Right, but the resentment was displaced against a less powerful group of athletes that they knew they could bully. The Duke lacrosse coach folded like a cheap suit - he was gone in an instant. Compare this to for example Paterno at Penn State who was able to hang on for years (until he was weakened by old age and sickness) even though he was plausibly accused of shielding a child rapist. (And the Penn State scandal was not the usual deal where a teacher has an affair with an almost legal teen, but actual horrific child rape.)
  131. @ben tillman

    These guys simply assumed that in hiring a stripper, they were going to get a sexy, horny white girl. But they “knew” that they were not supposed to be overtly “racist” about it....
     
    Actually, they said they didn't want a black stripper. So there was no assuming and no cowardice.

    Actually there was. Say they had ordered two white CHAIRS instead of 2 white strippers. The delivery guy shows up with 2 black CHAIRS. They wouldn’t have hesitated to send the guy away in an instant – this isn’t what I ordered. But because of the whole racial baggage thing, they were afraid to do this with the strippers. Far from being evil racists, they were just as infected with PC as every other Duke student.

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    • Replies: @Yankee Girl
    As I remember it, several of the LAX teammates were Catholic kids from NJ -- not upper class Southerners -- so they really were out of their element in trying to cope with the situation. No one had their back.

    Is the Duke U. President still that jerk who was there during the "scandal"? A real pencil neck. He was Yale Class of '68, along with GWB. He's probably thrilled that Yale dumped the name Calhoun from one of its residential colleges last month. Screw the historical record that John C. Calhoun, Yale Class of 1804 was one of the college's most prominent graduates of the 19th c.: US Senator, Vice President, political theorist etc. Even if you disagree with his views, you still have to acknowledge the forcefulness of his arguments about nullification and the need to protect and care for the unfortunates who were slaves at the time. Easy for us on our lofty perch to say he was wrong/evil etc.
  132. @Desiderius
    They'd do the same to the basketball/football players if they could get away with it, and do when they can. A lot of the furor at the lacrosse players was repressed resentment against the big ticket crowd unleashed.

    Right, but the resentment was displaced against a less powerful group of athletes that they knew they could bully. The Duke lacrosse coach folded like a cheap suit – he was gone in an instant. Compare this to for example Paterno at Penn State who was able to hang on for years (until he was weakened by old age and sickness) even though he was plausibly accused of shielding a child rapist. (And the Penn State scandal was not the usual deal where a teacher has an affair with an almost legal teen, but actual horrific child rape.)

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    even though he was plausibly accused of shielding a child rapist.

    He and Mr. McQueary passed the information they had to their superiors (which included the chief of the campus police), who then dropped the ball. Messrs. Paterno and McQuerey could have been more energetic in pursuing the matter, but the nonfeasance in that matter concerned 3 other officials, not Messrs. Paterno and McQuesrey. Mr. Paterno did not 'hang on for years. He died several months after the matter was made public'.

  133. @Autochthon
    Which side is he fighting?

    • He's not deporting invaders. Every five minutes his lot scramble to reassure us they will only deport invaders who commit some other crime, and serious one, a felony, at that; anyone who merely invaded the place to undercut wages, increase rents, and overburden already failing ecologies and infrastructures is more than welcome to come make taco bowls for him and clean rooms at his resorts.

    • He's done nothing about student visas, the H1-B racket and related legal immigration and its ravages, despite vows that he would in his own position-papers. He is continuing to flood the nation with invaders claiming to be refugees, the better to accelerate the raping of disabled blonde toddlers in Idaho and elsewhere.

    • He's sending the United States Navy into harm's way and expending its resources to meddle in Syria's civil war and protect the Koreans and Japanese. He also spends an inordinate amount of time and resources gabbling about "the Russians!" to accommodate the opposition, rather than reframing matters to demonstrate Russia's very limited relevance to the U.S.A. America First, and all that.

    • He's proposed no tariffs, no legislation to repeal the North American Free Trade Agreement, nor any other similar matters involving trading arrangements which destroy Americans' livelihoods and industrial capacity.

    I concede that he did not approve the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and signed an order to exclude travelers from some nasty places (although continuing to welcome those from even nastier places).

    Just whom is he taking on? I don't mean to be abrasive or obtuse; I genuinely cannot understand what positive work the man has done.

    Nice series of comments.

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  134. @Peripatetic commenter
    Steve, you forgot the rest of that quote:

    While some tried to argue that, regardless of the facts of the case, the outcry had been necessary, given the fact that a poor, black woman had little reason to believe the system would protect her in the face of wealthy, white defendants, the case’s collapse made it more difficult to address the issues — privilege, jock culture, the university’s poor relations with neighboring Durham — that much of the campus agreed needed reckoning with.
     
    That poor, black woman, Crystal Mangum. was running a scam, just like Jesse Jackson has all his life. She would go on to kill her boyfriend and end up in jail. So, she may have had little reason to believe that the system would protect her, but that was because she was lying, and she knew it.

    That poor, black woman, Crystal Mangum. was running a scam, just like Jesse Jackson has all his life.

    The poor, black woman was the daughter of a truck driver and born to a pair of married parents. She was capable enough academically to enter the Navy after she finished high school. She’d taken courses at the state college in Durham. This woman came from a quite unremarkable and mildly prosperous wage-earner family. She threw it away.

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  135. @Jack D
    Crystal Mangum had about as much brains as a 2nd grader. Her accusation was formulated spontaneously in a instant because it looked like she was getting in trouble at that moment and was looking for a "dog ate my homework" type excuse. So the blame is really all on the whites who took her obviously phony accusation and ran with it for their own purposes - the Durham prosecutor, the faculty, etc.

    The fact that she even thought that the accusation would be taken as plausible and serious (as it in fact was) shows how much the South has changed - "back in the day" she would never have dared to make such as accusation and if she had, no white prosecutor would have given it serious consideration.

    No. She finished high school and was in the Navy for a time. IIRC, the Navy does not accept as recruits people who score below the 15th percentile of the general population on certain examinations they administer. She’d taken courses at the local state college. ‘Impetuous’, ‘unscrupulous’, ‘deficient in character’, ‘mendacious’, ‘strung out’, ‘histrionic’, and ‘slutty’ all describe CGM. ‘Grossly deficient intellectually’ does not.

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  136. @Desiderius
    He couldn't fight both factions of the deep state at once. Divide and conquer was the only option, and since he was starting from a position of weakness, that require choosing an existing side.

    He would have a chance to fight BOTH factions of the deep state fueled by the same root if he maintained faith with his supporters among the people. Either he totally gets with the program fast–illegals out, restrictions on Muslim immigration, law and order, and not being neoconned into fighting wars for Israel–or he will lose that support. He is on the verge of losing that support now with his banishment of Bannon and elevation of Miller and Kushner.

    The movement that elected Trump is far bigger than Trump. We had hopes that he could contain his outsized ego and recognize his limited intellect and surround himself with advisors like Bannon who could guide him to advocating for sane policies that put America first. That hope is fading fast. If Trump dumps Bannon, I believe the man is doomed and our movement will shift to another hope. It will be a huge disappointment, but his candidacy has paved the way for another person of real substance and genuine intellect to lead us out of our leftist wilderness.

    At this critical time in our nation’s history I would have thought that Jeff Sessions or Kris Kobach would have run for the nomination, recognizing the fragile nature of our Republic. Instead we got Donald Trump, who is beginning to look like a more incompetent and easily manipulated version of Bush.

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    You could be right. Hard to find many nose-counters who agree though.
  137. @Jack D
    Right, but the resentment was displaced against a less powerful group of athletes that they knew they could bully. The Duke lacrosse coach folded like a cheap suit - he was gone in an instant. Compare this to for example Paterno at Penn State who was able to hang on for years (until he was weakened by old age and sickness) even though he was plausibly accused of shielding a child rapist. (And the Penn State scandal was not the usual deal where a teacher has an affair with an almost legal teen, but actual horrific child rape.)

    even though he was plausibly accused of shielding a child rapist.

    He and Mr. McQueary passed the information they had to their superiors (which included the chief of the campus police), who then dropped the ball. Messrs. Paterno and McQuerey could have been more energetic in pursuing the matter, but the nonfeasance in that matter concerned 3 other officials, not Messrs. Paterno and McQuesrey. Mr. Paterno did not ‘hang on for years. He died several months after the matter was made public’.

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  138. @WGG
    Miller is Jewish. He is very likely biologically incapable of feeling toward vintage American honky stock (Amerikaners) the way Bannon does. Think about country music, for example. Amerikaner to the core, yet there have been black country music superstars. Has there ever been a Jewish country music star? I would love to know if there has because it would be like cold fusion. I realize there are Jewish writers and producers, but actual musicians who would have to pretend in public to love working class whites? Far fetched.

    Has there ever been a Jewish country music star?

    Kinky Friedman
    https://youtu.be/-xGPwB_dvMg
    Ray Benson
    https://youtu.be/G7JzhJJ1ATw

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    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    And Friedman is funny as shit!
    , @Desiderius
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ZMj5RksbE
  139. If I had to categorize the Duke Lacrosse Hoax as anything, it would have been ‘Red Pill’ more than alt-right. I understand why the left wants to link Stephen Miller to Richard Spencer but it is not nearly as good a fit.

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  140. @ben tillman

    These guys simply assumed that in hiring a stripper, they were going to get a sexy, horny white girl. But they “knew” that they were not supposed to be overtly “racist” about it....
     
    Actually, they said they didn't want a black stripper. So there was no assuming and no cowardice.

    IIRC, at the time, the reports were that the players specifically requested black strippers. Enter Jesse Jackson to promptly declare this an act of racism. Then reports were that the players had actually requested white strippers. Re-Enter Jesse Jackson to promptly declare this absolute proof of the players’ racism.

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    • Replies: @David In TN
    The players likely thought if they sent the black strippers away, it would be considered "racism."
  141. @Desiderius
    You two should get a room.

    One more Spencer comment and you're going on ignore.

    “One more Spencer comment and you’re going on ignore”.

    Disavowing Spencer holds us to an unreasonably high standard and emboldens the AntiFa. They don’t decry the most violent on their own side, so I refuse give them the pleasure of seeing any cracks in our overlapping Pro-Western alliances. The same goes for those on the AltLite.

    We also have to remember many are not put off by these antics. You’d be shocked by the number of politically astute young men who are energized by the Spencerian model. I met one of them this weekend, and he told me White teenagers now speak openly about topics relegated to Sailerhood just a couple years ago. The era of peak SJW is over.

    When I see people on our side acting out publicly, I ignore them. The same goes for their apologists. The sound of crickets is extreme noise terror to those in love with the sound of their own voice.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Exactly.

    We'll start shooting right when the liberals agree to shoot left.

    Obsessing about Spencer is exactly what the corporate media wants us to do. No dice.
    , @Opinionator
    Disavowing Spencer holds us to an unreasonably high standard and emboldens the AntiFa. They don’t decry the most violent on their own side, so I refuse give them the pleasure of seeing any cracks in our overlapping Pro-Western alliances.

    If "AntiFa" is your equivalent on the other side, you have some pretty low standards. I aim higher: I want to win elections and actually enact policy that might save our nation.

    One of the problems with Spencer is that he purports to speak for a lot of other people who haven't given him permission to do so and who do not share his (reportedly) extreme views (for example, ethnic cleansing of the United States, Nazi idolatry)

    Notice how Spencer no longer speaks for "NPI" (which is actually his organization) and instead for the Alt Right (which isn't). Did Spencer already ruin his own brand (NPI)? Why can't he be his own man?

    We also have to remember many are not put off by these antics. You’d be shocked by the number of politically astute young men who are energized by the Spencerian model. I met one of them this weekend, and he told me White teenagers now speak openly about topics relegated to Sailerhood just a couple years ago. The era of peak SJW is over.

    What is the "Spenceriam model"? It is one thing to discuss Sailer topics. It is another to be a follower of Spencer or an advocate of ethnic cleansing and racial superiority.

    , @ben tillman

    Disavowing Spencer holds us to an unreasonably high standard and emboldens the AntiFa.
     
    I'm not going to "disavow" him, but there are a lot of weird things about him, and his speech at Auburn was cringeworthy. Too often, he seems to be a LARPer.
  142. @Whoever

    Has there ever been a Jewish country music star?
     
    Kinky Friedman
    https://youtu.be/-xGPwB_dvMg
    Ray Benson
    https://youtu.be/G7JzhJJ1ATw

    And Friedman is funny as shit!

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  143. @Art Deco
    even though he was plausibly accused of shielding a child rapist.

    He and Mr. McQueary passed the information they had to their superiors (which included the chief of the campus police), who then dropped the ball. Messrs. Paterno and McQuerey could have been more energetic in pursuing the matter, but the nonfeasance in that matter concerned 3 other officials, not Messrs. Paterno and McQuesrey. Mr. Paterno did not 'hang on for years. He died several months after the matter was made public'.

    God bless you Art Deco.

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  144. @lavoisier
    He would have a chance to fight BOTH factions of the deep state fueled by the same root if he maintained faith with his supporters among the people. Either he totally gets with the program fast--illegals out, restrictions on Muslim immigration, law and order, and not being neoconned into fighting wars for Israel--or he will lose that support. He is on the verge of losing that support now with his banishment of Bannon and elevation of Miller and Kushner.

    The movement that elected Trump is far bigger than Trump. We had hopes that he could contain his outsized ego and recognize his limited intellect and surround himself with advisors like Bannon who could guide him to advocating for sane policies that put America first. That hope is fading fast. If Trump dumps Bannon, I believe the man is doomed and our movement will shift to another hope. It will be a huge disappointment, but his candidacy has paved the way for another person of real substance and genuine intellect to lead us out of our leftist wilderness.

    At this critical time in our nation's history I would have thought that Jeff Sessions or Kris Kobach would have run for the nomination, recognizing the fragile nature of our Republic. Instead we got Donald Trump, who is beginning to look like a more incompetent and easily manipulated version of Bush.

    You could be right. Hard to find many nose-counters who agree though.

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  145. @Whoever

    Has there ever been a Jewish country music star?
     
    Kinky Friedman
    https://youtu.be/-xGPwB_dvMg
    Ray Benson
    https://youtu.be/G7JzhJJ1ATw
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  146. @Jack D

    “Some of my most skeptical and radical friends still harbor shame that they thought these men were guilty,” Shadee Malaklou, a classmate of Miller’s who is now a professor at Beloit College, said.
     
    Who are these friends? What are their names? Show me their public apologies.

    Just wait till money starts flowing to something other than The (established) Long March Through The Institutions.

    This chick will be among those lining up to supply names and addresses faster than you can say “tenure granted.”

    Not that I expect they actually exist outside of her imagination and rhetoric. But that itself underscores my expectation that we will start to see any day now references by younger SJWs to Transformational Critical Studies.

    Or something so obtusely labeled I can’t imagine it during a field work break. I.e., the process by which career SJWs assay to present themselves as less at utter odds with Generation Y or whatever they’re calling the up-and-coming young trads/righties who are deciding either to forego college…or attend it in Pushback Mode.

    This may supply a clue in her case:

    M. Shadee Malaklou’s research reads Frantz Fanon’s Black Skin, White Masks (1952) as a gender studies text to chart a contrapuntal relationship between sexuality, antiblackness, and social and political constructions of time. She intervenes in popular visual media like reality television to interrogate how time moves and for whom to catalog desire and identification as taxonomy and type. Her preferred gender pronouns are she/her.

    https://www.beloit.edu/criticalidstudies/faculty/

    She intervenes to interrogate and catalogue/identify taxonomy and type.

    That’s the type who signs up for curating Room 101 no matter who’s in charge. When you parse their SJWspeak, you find that they know and openly admit that.

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    Right. A lot of social justice jihadis aren't even pretending anymore, as seen by the love for the "interrogate" verb in academia.

    The Ctrl-Left.

    M. Shadee Malaklou’s research reads Frantz Fanon’s Black Skin, White Masks (1952) as a gender studies text to chart a contrapuntal relationship between sexuality, antiblackness, and social and political constructions of time. She intervenes in popular visual media like reality television to interrogate how time moves and for whom to catalog desire and identification as taxonomy and type. Her preferred gender pronouns are she/her.

    https://www.beloit.edu/criticalidstudies/faculty/

    She intervenes to interrogate and catalogue/identify taxonomy and type.

    That’s the type who signs up for curating Room 101 no matter who’s in charge. When you parse their SJWspeak, you find that they know and openly admit that.

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    @ThinkLikeA1L
    The players were innocent only in the narrow sense that they did not commit the crimes they were accused of.

    Right!

    “Legally speaking.”

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  148. @Jack D
    Actually there was. Say they had ordered two white CHAIRS instead of 2 white strippers. The delivery guy shows up with 2 black CHAIRS. They wouldn't have hesitated to send the guy away in an instant - this isn't what I ordered. But because of the whole racial baggage thing, they were afraid to do this with the strippers. Far from being evil racists, they were just as infected with PC as every other Duke student.

    As I remember it, several of the LAX teammates were Catholic kids from NJ — not upper class Southerners — so they really were out of their element in trying to cope with the situation. No one had their back.

    Is the Duke U. President still that jerk who was there during the “scandal”? A real pencil neck. He was Yale Class of ’68, along with GWB. He’s probably thrilled that Yale dumped the name Calhoun from one of its residential colleges last month. Screw the historical record that John C. Calhoun, Yale Class of 1804 was one of the college’s most prominent graduates of the 19th c.: US Senator, Vice President, political theorist etc. Even if you disagree with his views, you still have to acknowledge the forcefulness of his arguments about nullification and the need to protect and care for the unfortunates who were slaves at the time. Easy for us on our lofty perch to say he was wrong/evil etc.

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    (same Anon from up the chain)
    That's interesting about the Catholic kids from NJ. I didn't know that, but I believe it. My snap judgement of high-level Catholic male college athletes is that they are to some degree self-discplined and to some degree genuine believers, but also feel the pull of the idea that a high-level athlete deserves to get what's his and should not worry about the namby-pamby sissified culture surrounding him. There is a real tension here. I wouldn't be surprised if these guys felt in their hearts that hiring any stripper girl was wrong, even if very attractive, but when they botched the job, "reverted" to the default PC morality of antiracism, even if they didn't entirely believe it.
    , @Art Deco
    As I remember it, several of the LAX teammates were Catholic kids from NJ —

    One from northern New Jersey, one from Long Island, one from greater Washington. Messrs. Seligmann and Finnerty were from seriously Catholic families. By some accounts, the Seligmanns were well-to-do, not wealthy, and cleaned out by legal expenses. The Finnertys had an 8-figure sum in their coffers from financial sector winnings and were deep into philanthropy, building a chapel for one institution with which they were associated. The Evans family were supposedly influentials, with the mother a high-powered DC lawyer. One on KC Johnson's board said he was personally acquainted with Rae Evans and that she had the drive, connections, and smarts to 'squash Michael Nifong like a bug'. She got it done.
  149. @Olorin
    Just wait till money starts flowing to something other than The (established) Long March Through The Institutions.

    This chick will be among those lining up to supply names and addresses faster than you can say "tenure granted."

    Not that I expect they actually exist outside of her imagination and rhetoric. But that itself underscores my expectation that we will start to see any day now references by younger SJWs to Transformational Critical Studies.

    Or something so obtusely labeled I can't imagine it during a field work break. I.e., the process by which career SJWs assay to present themselves as less at utter odds with Generation Y or whatever they're calling the up-and-coming young trads/righties who are deciding either to forego college...or attend it in Pushback Mode.

    This may supply a clue in her case:


    M. Shadee Malaklou's research reads Frantz Fanon’s Black Skin, White Masks (1952) as a gender studies text to chart a contrapuntal relationship between sexuality, antiblackness, and social and political constructions of time. She intervenes in popular visual media like reality television to interrogate how time moves and for whom to catalog desire and identification as taxonomy and type. Her preferred gender pronouns are she/her.
     
    https://www.beloit.edu/criticalidstudies/faculty/

    She intervenes to interrogate and catalogue/identify taxonomy and type.

    That's the type who signs up for curating Room 101 no matter who's in charge. When you parse their SJWspeak, you find that they know and openly admit that.

    Right. A lot of social justice jihadis aren’t even pretending anymore, as seen by the love for the “interrogate” verb in academia.

    The Ctrl-Left.

    M. Shadee Malaklou’s research reads Frantz Fanon’s Black Skin, White Masks (1952) as a gender studies text to chart a contrapuntal relationship between sexuality, antiblackness, and social and political constructions of time. She intervenes in popular visual media like reality television to interrogate how time moves and for whom to catalog desire and identification as taxonomy and type. Her preferred gender pronouns are she/her.

    https://www.beloit.edu/criticalidstudies/faculty/

    She intervenes to interrogate and catalogue/identify taxonomy and type.

    That’s the type who signs up for curating Room 101 no matter who’s in charge. When you parse their SJWspeak, you find that they know and openly admit that.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Curating Room 101"
    There's your book title.
    , @Olorin
    Alt-Right, Ctrl-Left, and the Command-Option-Shift.
  150. @Amasius
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/stephen-miller-white-house-trump-237216

    "As the relationship between Kushner and Bannon has deteriorated, Miller has made sure his colleagues know he’s not on Bannon’s team. In interviews, seven White House officials described the emerging dynamics."

    "Miller, who wrote Trump’s fiery “American carnage” inaugural address, continues to work on the president’s speeches but takes direction from others on their tone. He’s also begun working on energy and regulatory issues, while focusing less on immigration, the issue about which he’s long been most passionate."

    Humorously, he's still getting called a Nazi-- Himmler-- in the comment section.

    Danke schoen

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  151. @MarcB.
    "One more Spencer comment and you’re going on ignore".

    Disavowing Spencer holds us to an unreasonably high standard and emboldens the AntiFa. They don't decry the most violent on their own side, so I refuse give them the pleasure of seeing any cracks in our overlapping Pro-Western alliances. The same goes for those on the AltLite.

    We also have to remember many are not put off by these antics. You'd be shocked by the number of politically astute young men who are energized by the Spencerian model. I met one of them this weekend, and he told me White teenagers now speak openly about topics relegated to Sailerhood just a couple years ago. The era of peak SJW is over.

    When I see people on our side acting out publicly, I ignore them. The same goes for their apologists. The sound of crickets is extreme noise terror to those in love with the sound of their own voice.

    Exactly.

    We’ll start shooting right when the liberals agree to shoot left.

    Obsessing about Spencer is exactly what the corporate media wants us to do. No dice.

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  152. @War for Blair Mountain
    You are attacking and trashing Richard Spencer for doing what the Jews and the nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc does everyday...365 days a year:open and explicit racial identity politics.

    Perhaps you can tell us when it would be a good time for Native Born White Americans to be as open and explicit in their racial identity politics as Jews and nonwhites are.


    What you offer is policy wonk surrender...at a time when the Democratic Party openly expresses genocidal intent towards Native Born White American Males...It is no exageration to state this....


    DC Immigration Reform Policy Wonk Groups are cucked losers...who won't even mention the fact that White Folks exist and have legitimate racial interests....They just beg for $$$ with arguments about how nonwhite legal immigrants are being harmed by nonwhite legal immigrants.


    Steve

    Let my post go through...for I have had it with the crybaby cuck Opinionator.

    You are attacking and trashing Richard Spencer for doing what the Jews and the nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc does everyday…365 days a year:open and explicit racial identity politics.

    Perhaps you can tell us when it would be a good time for Native Born White Americans to be as open and explicit in their racial identity politics as Jews and nonwhites are.

    There is a place for a good advocate for European interests, and there is a vacuum in that place.

    Spencer, however–and unlike advocates in the United States for jewish and nonwhite interests–has spoken in favor of ethnic cleansing in the United States, has repeatedly bragged about asserted racial superiority, and flirts with Hitler motifs, the man who is the paragon of evil in our culture. Again, these other groups you refer to do not do that.

    I have predicted that any movement of which Spencer is the figurehead or a visible member will end up treading water (at best), unless he clarifies his positions on these incendiary issues. I have also predicted that the NPI annual event, if it is even held again, will have less attendees than last year. We shall see. But you’ll notice that he no longer attempts to speak for NPI. Instead, he now tries to ride on other people’s brand.

    One of the reasons I am compelled to speak out against Spencer is that he, without right, permission, or other consent, purports to speak for others, on their behalf. Innocent others.

    In the months before the election, well before the notorious NPI event, I warned on this forum that Spencer posed a risk to the Trump movement, to the American nationalist movement, that he was a loose cannon. That has all been borne out.

    You only had to listen.

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    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    Spencer, however–and unlike advocates in the United States for jewish and nonwhite interests–has spoken in favor of ethnic cleansing in the United States, has repeatedly bragged about asserted racial superiority

     

    LOL.

    New 'Racism Simulator' Changes the Word 'White' to 'Black' in MSM Stories -- With Hilarious Results

    Racism Simulator – Literally Hitler Update

    ... Naturally, I added a “white” to “jew” mode to Racism Simulator

    This was the result:

    ... Could It Be Time To Deny The Jews The Franchise?

    ... The jews must be stopped: The very future of mankind depends on it

    ... The future of life on the planet depends on bringing the 500-year rampage of the jew to a halt.

    ... 28 Jews Who Need To Be Stopped Right Now

     

    Racism Simulator - Literally Hitler
    , @PigMan
    So called "white supremacy" is simply whites putting their interests first - just like every other race. It's those who condemn it who must excuse and justify themselves.

    As for 'ethnic cleansing' and other scarwy words, it's a matter of complete unimportance if other races are injured by measures takes by whites to protect themselves and their posterity from harm. They have only themselves to blame if they get in the way.
    , @PigMan
    I will also add that I agree that Spencer should drop the Nazi references, but only because it's a foreign ideology with no relevance to the U.S. (It would be equally inappropriate for him to be advocating Juche social-nationalism to Americans.)
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    There has already been ethnic cleansing in the US, and it has not been practiced by whites yet. See for example, LA ... at least according to the $PLC:

    http://www.alternet.org/story/46855/ethnic_cleansing_in_l.a./

    Unfortunately, while you might not be interested in ethnic cleansing, ethnic cleansing is interested in you, and it will be more widespread in the US.
  153. @MarcB.
    "One more Spencer comment and you’re going on ignore".

    Disavowing Spencer holds us to an unreasonably high standard and emboldens the AntiFa. They don't decry the most violent on their own side, so I refuse give them the pleasure of seeing any cracks in our overlapping Pro-Western alliances. The same goes for those on the AltLite.

    We also have to remember many are not put off by these antics. You'd be shocked by the number of politically astute young men who are energized by the Spencerian model. I met one of them this weekend, and he told me White teenagers now speak openly about topics relegated to Sailerhood just a couple years ago. The era of peak SJW is over.

    When I see people on our side acting out publicly, I ignore them. The same goes for their apologists. The sound of crickets is extreme noise terror to those in love with the sound of their own voice.

    Disavowing Spencer holds us to an unreasonably high standard and emboldens the AntiFa. They don’t decry the most violent on their own side, so I refuse give them the pleasure of seeing any cracks in our overlapping Pro-Western alliances.

    If “AntiFa” is your equivalent on the other side, you have some pretty low standards. I aim higher: I want to win elections and actually enact policy that might save our nation.

    One of the problems with Spencer is that he purports to speak for a lot of other people who haven’t given him permission to do so and who do not share his (reportedly) extreme views (for example, ethnic cleansing of the United States, Nazi idolatry)

    Notice how Spencer no longer speaks for “NPI” (which is actually his organization) and instead for the Alt Right (which isn’t). Did Spencer already ruin his own brand (NPI)? Why can’t he be his own man?

    We also have to remember many are not put off by these antics. You’d be shocked by the number of politically astute young men who are energized by the Spencerian model. I met one of them this weekend, and he told me White teenagers now speak openly about topics relegated to Sailerhood just a couple years ago. The era of peak SJW is over.

    What is the “Spenceriam model”? It is one thing to discuss Sailer topics. It is another to be a follower of Spencer or an advocate of ethnic cleansing and racial superiority.

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  154. @WGG
    Miller is Jewish. He is very likely biologically incapable of feeling toward vintage American honky stock (Amerikaners) the way Bannon does. Think about country music, for example. Amerikaner to the core, yet there have been black country music superstars. Has there ever been a Jewish country music star? I would love to know if there has because it would be like cold fusion. I realize there are Jewish writers and producers, but actual musicians who would have to pretend in public to love working class whites? Far fetched.

    Kinky Friedman?

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  155. @Opinionator

    You are attacking and trashing Richard Spencer for doing what the Jews and the nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc does everyday…365 days a year:open and explicit racial identity politics.

    Perhaps you can tell us when it would be a good time for Native Born White Americans to be as open and explicit in their racial identity politics as Jews and nonwhites are.
     

    There is a place for a good advocate for European interests, and there is a vacuum in that place.

    Spencer, however--and unlike advocates in the United States for jewish and nonwhite interests--has spoken in favor of ethnic cleansing in the United States, has repeatedly bragged about asserted racial superiority, and flirts with Hitler motifs, the man who is the paragon of evil in our culture. Again, these other groups you refer to do not do that.

    I have predicted that any movement of which Spencer is the figurehead or a visible member will end up treading water (at best), unless he clarifies his positions on these incendiary issues. I have also predicted that the NPI annual event, if it is even held again, will have less attendees than last year. We shall see. But you'll notice that he no longer attempts to speak for NPI. Instead, he now tries to ride on other people's brand.

    One of the reasons I am compelled to speak out against Spencer is that he, without right, permission, or other consent, purports to speak for others, on their behalf. Innocent others.

    In the months before the election, well before the notorious NPI event, I warned on this forum that Spencer posed a risk to the Trump movement, to the American nationalist movement, that he was a loose cannon. That has all been borne out.

    You only had to listen.

    Spencer, however–and unlike advocates in the United States for jewish and nonwhite interests–has spoken in favor of ethnic cleansing in the United States, has repeatedly bragged about asserted racial superiority

    LOL.

    New ‘Racism Simulator’ Changes the Word ‘White’ to ‘Black’ in MSM Stories — With Hilarious Results

    Racism Simulator – Literally Hitler Update

    … Naturally, I added a “white” to “jew” mode to Racism Simulator

    This was the result:

    … Could It Be Time To Deny The Jews The Franchise?

    … The jews must be stopped: The very future of mankind depends on it

    … The future of life on the planet depends on bringing the 500-year rampage of the jew to a halt.

    … 28 Jews Who Need To Be Stopped Right Now

    Racism Simulator – Literally Hitler

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    I would not assert there isn't a great deal of hypocrisy.

    However, none of those really (a) advocates "ethnic cleansing" in the United States, (b) flirts with the adulation of Nazi motifs, or (c) brags about racial superiority over other groups.
  156. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Yankee Girl
    As I remember it, several of the LAX teammates were Catholic kids from NJ -- not upper class Southerners -- so they really were out of their element in trying to cope with the situation. No one had their back.

    Is the Duke U. President still that jerk who was there during the "scandal"? A real pencil neck. He was Yale Class of '68, along with GWB. He's probably thrilled that Yale dumped the name Calhoun from one of its residential colleges last month. Screw the historical record that John C. Calhoun, Yale Class of 1804 was one of the college's most prominent graduates of the 19th c.: US Senator, Vice President, political theorist etc. Even if you disagree with his views, you still have to acknowledge the forcefulness of his arguments about nullification and the need to protect and care for the unfortunates who were slaves at the time. Easy for us on our lofty perch to say he was wrong/evil etc.

    (same Anon from up the chain)
    That’s interesting about the Catholic kids from NJ. I didn’t know that, but I believe it. My snap judgement of high-level Catholic male college athletes is that they are to some degree self-discplined and to some degree genuine believers, but also feel the pull of the idea that a high-level athlete deserves to get what’s his and should not worry about the namby-pamby sissified culture surrounding him. There is a real tension here. I wouldn’t be surprised if these guys felt in their hearts that hiring any stripper girl was wrong, even if very attractive, but when they botched the job, “reverted” to the default PC morality of antiracism, even if they didn’t entirely believe it.

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  157. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Steve Sailer
    Right. A lot of social justice jihadis aren't even pretending anymore, as seen by the love for the "interrogate" verb in academia.

    The Ctrl-Left.

    M. Shadee Malaklou’s research reads Frantz Fanon’s Black Skin, White Masks (1952) as a gender studies text to chart a contrapuntal relationship between sexuality, antiblackness, and social and political constructions of time. She intervenes in popular visual media like reality television to interrogate how time moves and for whom to catalog desire and identification as taxonomy and type. Her preferred gender pronouns are she/her.

    https://www.beloit.edu/criticalidstudies/faculty/

    She intervenes to interrogate and catalogue/identify taxonomy and type.

    That’s the type who signs up for curating Room 101 no matter who’s in charge. When you parse their SJWspeak, you find that they know and openly admit that.

    “Curating Room 101″
    There’s your book title.

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  158. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Spencer, however–and unlike advocates in the United States for jewish and nonwhite interests–has spoken in favor of ethnic cleansing in the United States, has repeatedly bragged about asserted racial superiority

     

    LOL.

    New 'Racism Simulator' Changes the Word 'White' to 'Black' in MSM Stories -- With Hilarious Results

    Racism Simulator – Literally Hitler Update

    ... Naturally, I added a “white” to “jew” mode to Racism Simulator

    This was the result:

    ... Could It Be Time To Deny The Jews The Franchise?

    ... The jews must be stopped: The very future of mankind depends on it

    ... The future of life on the planet depends on bringing the 500-year rampage of the jew to a halt.

    ... 28 Jews Who Need To Be Stopped Right Now

     

    Racism Simulator - Literally Hitler

    I would not assert there isn’t a great deal of hypocrisy.

    However, none of those really (a) advocates “ethnic cleansing” in the United States, (b) flirts with the adulation of Nazi motifs, or (c) brags about racial superiority over other groups.

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  159. @Steve Sailer
    Right. A lot of social justice jihadis aren't even pretending anymore, as seen by the love for the "interrogate" verb in academia.

    The Ctrl-Left.

    M. Shadee Malaklou’s research reads Frantz Fanon’s Black Skin, White Masks (1952) as a gender studies text to chart a contrapuntal relationship between sexuality, antiblackness, and social and political constructions of time. She intervenes in popular visual media like reality television to interrogate how time moves and for whom to catalog desire and identification as taxonomy and type. Her preferred gender pronouns are she/her.

    https://www.beloit.edu/criticalidstudies/faculty/

    She intervenes to interrogate and catalogue/identify taxonomy and type.

    That’s the type who signs up for curating Room 101 no matter who’s in charge. When you parse their SJWspeak, you find that they know and openly admit that.

    Alt-Right, Ctrl-Left, and the Command-Option-Shift.

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  160. @Olorin
    Alt-Right, Ctrl-Left, and the Command-Option-Shift.

    At least we haven’t hit the blue screen. Yet.

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  161. @Malcolm X-Lax
    IIRC, at the time, the reports were that the players specifically requested black strippers. Enter Jesse Jackson to promptly declare this an act of racism. Then reports were that the players had actually requested white strippers. Re-Enter Jesse Jackson to promptly declare this absolute proof of the players' racism.

    The players likely thought if they sent the black strippers away, it would be considered “racism.”

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Not that likely.

    More likely it was what the hell it'll be a lark.

    Drunks don't think much; that's why they drink.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    I'm with Desiderius on this. I doubt they cared but then I don't live in the south and can't get inside these guys' heads. Personally, I would have sent the chicks packing.
  162. @Opinionator

    You are attacking and trashing Richard Spencer for doing what the Jews and the nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc does everyday…365 days a year:open and explicit racial identity politics.

    Perhaps you can tell us when it would be a good time for Native Born White Americans to be as open and explicit in their racial identity politics as Jews and nonwhites are.
     

    There is a place for a good advocate for European interests, and there is a vacuum in that place.

    Spencer, however--and unlike advocates in the United States for jewish and nonwhite interests--has spoken in favor of ethnic cleansing in the United States, has repeatedly bragged about asserted racial superiority, and flirts with Hitler motifs, the man who is the paragon of evil in our culture. Again, these other groups you refer to do not do that.

    I have predicted that any movement of which Spencer is the figurehead or a visible member will end up treading water (at best), unless he clarifies his positions on these incendiary issues. I have also predicted that the NPI annual event, if it is even held again, will have less attendees than last year. We shall see. But you'll notice that he no longer attempts to speak for NPI. Instead, he now tries to ride on other people's brand.

    One of the reasons I am compelled to speak out against Spencer is that he, without right, permission, or other consent, purports to speak for others, on their behalf. Innocent others.

    In the months before the election, well before the notorious NPI event, I warned on this forum that Spencer posed a risk to the Trump movement, to the American nationalist movement, that he was a loose cannon. That has all been borne out.

    You only had to listen.

    So called “white supremacy” is simply whites putting their interests first – just like every other race. It’s those who condemn it who must excuse and justify themselves.

    As for ‘ethnic cleansing’ and other scarwy words, it’s a matter of complete unimportance if other races are injured by measures takes by whites to protect themselves and their posterity from harm. They have only themselves to blame if they get in the way.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    So called “white supremacy” is simply whites putting their interests first – just like every other race. It’s those who condemn it who must excuse and justify themselves.

    That would be a novel definition of White supremacy. Might I suggest you choose a different term. I don't see jews, Hispanics, and blacks running around asserting "supremacy."

    As for ‘ethnic cleansing’ and other scarwy words, it’s a matter of complete unimportance if other races are injured by measures takes by whites to protect themselves and their posterity from harm. They have only themselves to blame if they get in the way.

    That isn't how the world works.
  163. @Opinionator

    You are attacking and trashing Richard Spencer for doing what the Jews and the nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc does everyday…365 days a year:open and explicit racial identity politics.

    Perhaps you can tell us when it would be a good time for Native Born White Americans to be as open and explicit in their racial identity politics as Jews and nonwhites are.
     

    There is a place for a good advocate for European interests, and there is a vacuum in that place.

    Spencer, however--and unlike advocates in the United States for jewish and nonwhite interests--has spoken in favor of ethnic cleansing in the United States, has repeatedly bragged about asserted racial superiority, and flirts with Hitler motifs, the man who is the paragon of evil in our culture. Again, these other groups you refer to do not do that.

    I have predicted that any movement of which Spencer is the figurehead or a visible member will end up treading water (at best), unless he clarifies his positions on these incendiary issues. I have also predicted that the NPI annual event, if it is even held again, will have less attendees than last year. We shall see. But you'll notice that he no longer attempts to speak for NPI. Instead, he now tries to ride on other people's brand.

    One of the reasons I am compelled to speak out against Spencer is that he, without right, permission, or other consent, purports to speak for others, on their behalf. Innocent others.

    In the months before the election, well before the notorious NPI event, I warned on this forum that Spencer posed a risk to the Trump movement, to the American nationalist movement, that he was a loose cannon. That has all been borne out.

    You only had to listen.

    I will also add that I agree that Spencer should drop the Nazi references, but only because it’s a foreign ideology with no relevance to the U.S. (It would be equally inappropriate for him to be advocating Juche social-nationalism to Americans.)

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  164. @Yankee Girl
    As I remember it, several of the LAX teammates were Catholic kids from NJ -- not upper class Southerners -- so they really were out of their element in trying to cope with the situation. No one had their back.

    Is the Duke U. President still that jerk who was there during the "scandal"? A real pencil neck. He was Yale Class of '68, along with GWB. He's probably thrilled that Yale dumped the name Calhoun from one of its residential colleges last month. Screw the historical record that John C. Calhoun, Yale Class of 1804 was one of the college's most prominent graduates of the 19th c.: US Senator, Vice President, political theorist etc. Even if you disagree with his views, you still have to acknowledge the forcefulness of his arguments about nullification and the need to protect and care for the unfortunates who were slaves at the time. Easy for us on our lofty perch to say he was wrong/evil etc.

    As I remember it, several of the LAX teammates were Catholic kids from NJ —

    One from northern New Jersey, one from Long Island, one from greater Washington. Messrs. Seligmann and Finnerty were from seriously Catholic families. By some accounts, the Seligmanns were well-to-do, not wealthy, and cleaned out by legal expenses. The Finnertys had an 8-figure sum in their coffers from financial sector winnings and were deep into philanthropy, building a chapel for one institution with which they were associated. The Evans family were supposedly influentials, with the mother a high-powered DC lawyer. One on KC Johnson’s board said he was personally acquainted with Rae Evans and that she had the drive, connections, and smarts to ‘squash Michael Nifong like a bug’. She got it done.

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  165. @David In TN
    The players likely thought if they sent the black strippers away, it would be considered "racism."

    Not that likely.

    More likely it was what the hell it’ll be a lark.

    Drunks don’t think much; that’s why they drink.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Are you implying that thinking people choose not to drink?
    , @David In TN
    Their PC indoctrination (of which they would have had plenty) told them it would be "racist to pass up the cultural enrichment."
  166. @Desiderius
    Not that likely.

    More likely it was what the hell it'll be a lark.

    Drunks don't think much; that's why they drink.

    Are you implying that thinking people choose not to drink?

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  167. @David In TN
    The players likely thought if they sent the black strippers away, it would be considered "racism."

    I’m with Desiderius on this. I doubt they cared but then I don’t live in the south and can’t get inside these guys’ heads. Personally, I would have sent the chicks packing.

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  168. @Opinionator

    You are attacking and trashing Richard Spencer for doing what the Jews and the nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc does everyday…365 days a year:open and explicit racial identity politics.

    Perhaps you can tell us when it would be a good time for Native Born White Americans to be as open and explicit in their racial identity politics as Jews and nonwhites are.
     

    There is a place for a good advocate for European interests, and there is a vacuum in that place.

    Spencer, however--and unlike advocates in the United States for jewish and nonwhite interests--has spoken in favor of ethnic cleansing in the United States, has repeatedly bragged about asserted racial superiority, and flirts with Hitler motifs, the man who is the paragon of evil in our culture. Again, these other groups you refer to do not do that.

    I have predicted that any movement of which Spencer is the figurehead or a visible member will end up treading water (at best), unless he clarifies his positions on these incendiary issues. I have also predicted that the NPI annual event, if it is even held again, will have less attendees than last year. We shall see. But you'll notice that he no longer attempts to speak for NPI. Instead, he now tries to ride on other people's brand.

    One of the reasons I am compelled to speak out against Spencer is that he, without right, permission, or other consent, purports to speak for others, on their behalf. Innocent others.

    In the months before the election, well before the notorious NPI event, I warned on this forum that Spencer posed a risk to the Trump movement, to the American nationalist movement, that he was a loose cannon. That has all been borne out.

    You only had to listen.

    There has already been ethnic cleansing in the US, and it has not been practiced by whites yet. See for example, LA … at least according to the $PLC:

    http://www.alternet.org/story/46855/ethnic_cleansing_in_l.a./

    Unfortunately, while you might not be interested in ethnic cleansing, ethnic cleansing is interested in you, and it will be more widespread in the US.

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    • Replies: @Brutusale
    The media don't call it ethnic cleansing when white people do it. It's called gentrification.
  169. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jack D
    "But" has become a leftist word. The Bush memos were fake BUT accurate. The First Amendment protects speech BUT not hate speech. Free speech for me BUT not for thee. But is the sure marker of leftist double standards.

    “But” has become a leftist word. The Bush memos were fake BUT accurate. The First Amendment protects speech BUT not hate speech. Free speech for me BUT not for thee. But is the sure marker of leftist double standards.

    Maybe Progs ought to be called But-Plugs. They plug ‘but’ into everything.

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  170. Haven’t read the New York article, but I do think the Duke Lacrosse Scandal was instrumental in demonstrating that the SJW’s are sociopathic monsters with no consciences, ready to hang a bunch of young men for the crime of being intelligent, white and from a high socio-economic background.

    Sure, they use all the beautiful slogans, “justice” and “equality”, but at the end of the day, they are like empty, hollowed-out vampires, thirsting to shed the blood of the innocents:

    And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth’s abominations.” 6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus

    When I saw her, I marveled greatly.

    Or as Bob Marley put it:

    Babylon system is the vampire, yea! (vampire)
    Suckin’ the children day by day, yeah!
    Me say: de Babylon system is the vampire, falling empire,
    Suckin’ the blood of the sufferers, yea-ea-ea-ea-e-ah!
    Building church and university, wo-o-ooh, yeah! -
    Deceiving the people continually, yea-ea!
    Me say them graduatin’ thieves and murderers;
    Look out now: they suckin’ the blood of the sufferers (sufferers).
    Yea-ea-ea! (sufferers)

    Tell the children the truth;
    Tell the children the truth;
    Tell the children the truth right now!
    Come on and tell the children the truth;
    Tell the children the truth;
    Tell the children the truth;
    Tell the children the truth;
    Come on and tell the children the truth.

    ‘Cause – ’cause we’ve been trodding on ya winepress much too long:
    Rebel, rebel!
    And we’ve been taken for granted much too long:
    Rebel, rebel now!

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  171. @PigMan
    So called "white supremacy" is simply whites putting their interests first - just like every other race. It's those who condemn it who must excuse and justify themselves.

    As for 'ethnic cleansing' and other scarwy words, it's a matter of complete unimportance if other races are injured by measures takes by whites to protect themselves and their posterity from harm. They have only themselves to blame if they get in the way.

    So called “white supremacy” is simply whites putting their interests first – just like every other race. It’s those who condemn it who must excuse and justify themselves.

    That would be a novel definition of White supremacy. Might I suggest you choose a different term. I don’t see jews, Hispanics, and blacks running around asserting “supremacy.”

    As for ‘ethnic cleansing’ and other scarwy words, it’s a matter of complete unimportance if other races are injured by measures takes by whites to protect themselves and their posterity from harm. They have only themselves to blame if they get in the way.

    That isn’t how the world works.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    That would be a novel definition of White supremacy.
     
    Whether or not it's novel, that's how the term is used now. A non-submissive or non-surrendering white person is a white supremacist.
  172. @Pat Casey
    Hey I didn't know that happened when Richard was a student. Hard to believe that incubus was born so long ago. Chicken or egg?

    My recollection of what exactly happened at Duke is dim and fuzzy. I guess that's because the case wound up being such a travesty of the truth, no one ever much tried to suss out the truth. And maybe that more than time is why my recollection is dim and fuzzy. I don't know.

    But I vividly remember my most recent experience with a stripper, and in an inverted and funny way, it makes me remember what I don't precisely remember about what happened that night at Duke.

    The vast majority of strippers are nothing special to look at, and maybe that's why they are those who most enjoy taking off their clothes. Sometimes you get lucky though. This one was a hot latina with a pretty perfect body. I was sitting on the couch and she did a move that sort of made half her body jump, like she was doing the worm with cunning intent, and suddenly her torso was in my lap. Then for a solid minute she let me rub her cl** and this was in front of everybody. No one else got to this and that plus other factors made my rowdy cohorts face the fact that she did the thing just for me.

    After her performance she retired to the toilet room, which as we all know is reserved for strippers when they require where the need to go to make and unmake themselves. Ya know? But I was not ready for her to leave so I sort of made my move and barged into the bathroom, where lo and behold, the one guy I didn't know at the party was already in there trying to have sex with her for money. I kicked him out accordingly and started telling her how objectively rich I am. But all I got was her number.

    This is beside the point, but looking back its pretty funny to me that I did indeed get a date with her, about a week later, and by the time she was twenty minutes late meeting me at a swanky bar in Arlington Va, she texts me and says Sorry I can't make it--I just got a call. Later it dawned that the whole date was a test/ruse to see if I'd call her again. And I suppose if I actually was objectively rich, I would have called her again.

    Anyway, me and my friends are not as rowdy as Duke Lacrosse players. But if we were, and if she had been a negligibly attractive black girl, the guy I kicked out the bathroom to get myself the number that got me no where, he may well have been trying to have sex with her for free. And if she had said no and lets say said so defiantly, he probably would have called her a slur. And then she would have gotten loud, and then the other lacrosse players would have rushed in to hear the rest, and then her playmate would have made the scene, and lots of screeching and slurring, and the stripper would have likely been dragged out of the house in the way a wave of men can make a woman body surf over them without a bruise.

    By the end of it all, she would have felt like nothing occurred more than a rape. Ya know? And I suspect, if the truth was ever told, that's most of all because the funnest part, for all involved-- was totally free.

    Instead of speculating and writing Duke Lacrosse fan-fiction based on your own stripper experiences, you could look up what actually happened. It’s not an obscure story. Reliably leftist ESPN did a pretty good documentary on it.

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  173. @Desiderius
    Not that likely.

    More likely it was what the hell it'll be a lark.

    Drunks don't think much; that's why they drink.

    Their PC indoctrination (of which they would have had plenty) told them it would be “racist to pass up the cultural enrichment.”

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  174. @Autochthon
    Which side is he fighting?

    • He's not deporting invaders. Every five minutes his lot scramble to reassure us they will only deport invaders who commit some other crime, and serious one, a felony, at that; anyone who merely invaded the place to undercut wages, increase rents, and overburden already failing ecologies and infrastructures is more than welcome to come make taco bowls for him and clean rooms at his resorts.

    • He's done nothing about student visas, the H1-B racket and related legal immigration and its ravages, despite vows that he would in his own position-papers. He is continuing to flood the nation with invaders claiming to be refugees, the better to accelerate the raping of disabled blonde toddlers in Idaho and elsewhere.

    • He's sending the United States Navy into harm's way and expending its resources to meddle in Syria's civil war and protect the Koreans and Japanese. He also spends an inordinate amount of time and resources gabbling about "the Russians!" to accommodate the opposition, rather than reframing matters to demonstrate Russia's very limited relevance to the U.S.A. America First, and all that.

    • He's proposed no tariffs, no legislation to repeal the North American Free Trade Agreement, nor any other similar matters involving trading arrangements which destroy Americans' livelihoods and industrial capacity.

    I concede that he did not approve the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and signed an order to exclude travelers from some nasty places (although continuing to welcome those from even nastier places).

    Just whom is he taking on? I don't mean to be abrasive or obtuse; I genuinely cannot understand what positive work the man has done.

    126 Authochthon > He’s proposed no tariffs

    I cannot think of any good examples of a tariff , giving birth to a domestic industry-segment that became internationally competitive.

    I have no quarrel with your other points.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    The Chinese impose taxes on imported goods and have done for the many years. How has their domestic industry fared during that time?
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    @Desiderius
    Happy Easter!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ggkYKTeVa0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjjCp_QU5Qk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR1QBNykvW8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpkdCQVnyvs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXVDCUaZS2A

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyfCTZB6Nrk

    Thanks. That’s a good selection.

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  176. @Pat Casey
    Hey I didn't know that happened when Richard was a student. Hard to believe that incubus was born so long ago. Chicken or egg?

    My recollection of what exactly happened at Duke is dim and fuzzy. I guess that's because the case wound up being such a travesty of the truth, no one ever much tried to suss out the truth. And maybe that more than time is why my recollection is dim and fuzzy. I don't know.

    But I vividly remember my most recent experience with a stripper, and in an inverted and funny way, it makes me remember what I don't precisely remember about what happened that night at Duke.

    The vast majority of strippers are nothing special to look at, and maybe that's why they are those who most enjoy taking off their clothes. Sometimes you get lucky though. This one was a hot latina with a pretty perfect body. I was sitting on the couch and she did a move that sort of made half her body jump, like she was doing the worm with cunning intent, and suddenly her torso was in my lap. Then for a solid minute she let me rub her cl** and this was in front of everybody. No one else got to this and that plus other factors made my rowdy cohorts face the fact that she did the thing just for me.

    After her performance she retired to the toilet room, which as we all know is reserved for strippers when they require where the need to go to make and unmake themselves. Ya know? But I was not ready for her to leave so I sort of made my move and barged into the bathroom, where lo and behold, the one guy I didn't know at the party was already in there trying to have sex with her for money. I kicked him out accordingly and started telling her how objectively rich I am. But all I got was her number.

    This is beside the point, but looking back its pretty funny to me that I did indeed get a date with her, about a week later, and by the time she was twenty minutes late meeting me at a swanky bar in Arlington Va, she texts me and says Sorry I can't make it--I just got a call. Later it dawned that the whole date was a test/ruse to see if I'd call her again. And I suppose if I actually was objectively rich, I would have called her again.

    Anyway, me and my friends are not as rowdy as Duke Lacrosse players. But if we were, and if she had been a negligibly attractive black girl, the guy I kicked out the bathroom to get myself the number that got me no where, he may well have been trying to have sex with her for free. And if she had said no and lets say said so defiantly, he probably would have called her a slur. And then she would have gotten loud, and then the other lacrosse players would have rushed in to hear the rest, and then her playmate would have made the scene, and lots of screeching and slurring, and the stripper would have likely been dragged out of the house in the way a wave of men can make a woman body surf over them without a bruise.

    By the end of it all, she would have felt like nothing occurred more than a rape. Ya know? And I suspect, if the truth was ever told, that's most of all because the funnest part, for all involved-- was totally free.

    Whatever.

    The two strippers in the Duke case danced for about 4 minutes. They got some rude feedback, I believe, because one of them was strung out and performing poorly. They locked themselves in the bathroom in a state of high dudgeon, and it required several of the assembled a considerable period of time to coax them out and hustle them off the property (20 minutes or 45 minutes, I cannot recall). That was the sum total of what happened.

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  177. @Karl
    126 Authochthon > He’s proposed no tariffs


    I cannot think of any good examples of a tariff , giving birth to a domestic industry-segment that became internationally competitive.


    I have no quarrel with your other points.

    The Chinese impose taxes on imported goods and have done for the many years. How has their domestic industry fared during that time?

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    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    The Chinese impose taxes on imported goods and have done for the many years. How has their domestic industry fared during that time?
     
    The Chinese are not alone in this. Pretty much all of the less-developed world has significant tariffs on imported goods, including Africa, the Middle East and Latin America. The only places with few or no tariffs tend to be highly-developed. For instance, at the time of its expulsion from Malaysia in 1965, Singapore had a GDP per capita 1.5x that of Malaysia. Singapore dismantled its tariffs, while Malaysia created an elaborate system ostensibly to bolster domestic industry. In 2015, 50 years on, Singapore's output per capita is 5x Malaysia's.

    The bottom line here is that it is unlikely that tariffs are the principal reason for Chinese growth. What's more plausible is that as soon as the Party cast off the shackles of Communist economic ideology, the native mercantile ability of John Chinaman came to the fore, much as it did in Hong Kong and Macau* under British and Portuguese colonial rule. Without tariffs, that ability would presumably not stagnate and die.

    * If you care to examine the link provided above, both territories had, at the time of the handover to Communist Chinese rule in the late 90's, GDP per capita higher than those of Britain and Portugal, respectively. They were free trade zones.
  178. @Peripatetic commenter
    There has already been ethnic cleansing in the US, and it has not been practiced by whites yet. See for example, LA ... at least according to the $PLC:

    http://www.alternet.org/story/46855/ethnic_cleansing_in_l.a./

    Unfortunately, while you might not be interested in ethnic cleansing, ethnic cleansing is interested in you, and it will be more widespread in the US.

    The media don’t call it ethnic cleansing when white people do it. It’s called gentrification.

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  179. @MarcB.
    "One more Spencer comment and you’re going on ignore".

    Disavowing Spencer holds us to an unreasonably high standard and emboldens the AntiFa. They don't decry the most violent on their own side, so I refuse give them the pleasure of seeing any cracks in our overlapping Pro-Western alliances. The same goes for those on the AltLite.

    We also have to remember many are not put off by these antics. You'd be shocked by the number of politically astute young men who are energized by the Spencerian model. I met one of them this weekend, and he told me White teenagers now speak openly about topics relegated to Sailerhood just a couple years ago. The era of peak SJW is over.

    When I see people on our side acting out publicly, I ignore them. The same goes for their apologists. The sound of crickets is extreme noise terror to those in love with the sound of their own voice.

    Disavowing Spencer holds us to an unreasonably high standard and emboldens the AntiFa.

    I’m not going to “disavow” him, but there are a lot of weird things about him, and his speech at Auburn was cringeworthy. Too often, he seems to be a LARPer.

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  180. @Opinionator
    So called “white supremacy” is simply whites putting their interests first – just like every other race. It’s those who condemn it who must excuse and justify themselves.

    That would be a novel definition of White supremacy. Might I suggest you choose a different term. I don't see jews, Hispanics, and blacks running around asserting "supremacy."

    As for ‘ethnic cleansing’ and other scarwy words, it’s a matter of complete unimportance if other races are injured by measures takes by whites to protect themselves and their posterity from harm. They have only themselves to blame if they get in the way.

    That isn't how the world works.

    That would be a novel definition of White supremacy.

    Whether or not it’s novel, that’s how the term is used now. A non-submissive or non-surrendering white person is a white supremacist.

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  181. @Autochthon
    The Chinese impose taxes on imported goods and have done for the many years. How has their domestic industry fared during that time?

    The Chinese impose taxes on imported goods and have done for the many years. How has their domestic industry fared during that time?

    The Chinese are not alone in this. Pretty much all of the less-developed world has significant tariffs on imported goods, including Africa, the Middle East and Latin America. The only places with few or no tariffs tend to be highly-developed. For instance, at the time of its expulsion from Malaysia in 1965, Singapore had a GDP per capita 1.5x that of Malaysia. Singapore dismantled its tariffs, while Malaysia created an elaborate system ostensibly to bolster domestic industry. In 2015, 50 years on, Singapore’s output per capita is 5x Malaysia’s.

    The bottom line here is that it is unlikely that tariffs are the principal reason for Chinese growth. What’s more plausible is that as soon as the Party cast off the shackles of Communist economic ideology, the native mercantile ability of John Chinaman came to the fore, much as it did in Hong Kong and Macau* under British and Portuguese colonial rule. Without tariffs, that ability would presumably not stagnate and die.

    * If you care to examine the link provided above, both territories had, at the time of the handover to Communist Chinese rule in the late 90′s, GDP per capita higher than those of Britain and Portugal, respectively. They were free trade zones.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Well, shit. The ghost in the machine ate my thoughtful (if I do say myself) response.

    Briefly (because I lack another twenty minutes to reconstruct it):

    • Mohammadans and commies (Malaysia and China; plus a civil war in the case of China) don't compare well to conscientious efforts by Lee Kuan Yew and the leaders of Hong Kong and Macau to implement secular, European culture and governance in their bailiwicks

    • City-states benefit far less from tariffs on imports than do vast nations for (hopefully) obvious reasons; indeed such tariffs can destroy city-states, which must necessarily avoid nasty antagonistic relations rooted in mecantilism, because they necessarily rely upon a relatively free flow of imported raw materials and exported manufactured goods (nations like China and the U.S.A. are much more capable of autarky or something approaching it)

    Here is an interesting collection of data over time about the economies of China and Taiwan, including growth in their GDPP. I did not find data comparing changes in tariffs on imports over time in my admittedly casual research, but it seems China's currently fall just shy of ten per cent on average, and Taiwan's are currently just above six per cent.

    Thanks for your interesting and thoughtful response. You may be right; it's a complicated, but perhaps ultimately empirical, question. I still contend that the U.S.A.'s current modus operandi of raping its citizens to enrich its kakistocracy and enrich other nations is untenable. If tariffs will indeed only exacerbate the situation, we had sure as Hell better find out something else that can ameliorate it!
  182. @Johann Ricke

    The Chinese impose taxes on imported goods and have done for the many years. How has their domestic industry fared during that time?
     
    The Chinese are not alone in this. Pretty much all of the less-developed world has significant tariffs on imported goods, including Africa, the Middle East and Latin America. The only places with few or no tariffs tend to be highly-developed. For instance, at the time of its expulsion from Malaysia in 1965, Singapore had a GDP per capita 1.5x that of Malaysia. Singapore dismantled its tariffs, while Malaysia created an elaborate system ostensibly to bolster domestic industry. In 2015, 50 years on, Singapore's output per capita is 5x Malaysia's.

    The bottom line here is that it is unlikely that tariffs are the principal reason for Chinese growth. What's more plausible is that as soon as the Party cast off the shackles of Communist economic ideology, the native mercantile ability of John Chinaman came to the fore, much as it did in Hong Kong and Macau* under British and Portuguese colonial rule. Without tariffs, that ability would presumably not stagnate and die.

    * If you care to examine the link provided above, both territories had, at the time of the handover to Communist Chinese rule in the late 90's, GDP per capita higher than those of Britain and Portugal, respectively. They were free trade zones.

    Well, shit. The ghost in the machine ate my thoughtful (if I do say myself) response.

    Briefly (because I lack another twenty minutes to reconstruct it):

    • Mohammadans and commies (Malaysia and China; plus a civil war in the case of China) don’t compare well to conscientious efforts by Lee Kuan Yew and the leaders of Hong Kong and Macau to implement secular, European culture and governance in their bailiwicks

    • City-states benefit far less from tariffs on imports than do vast nations for (hopefully) obvious reasons; indeed such tariffs can destroy city-states, which must necessarily avoid nasty antagonistic relations rooted in mecantilism, because they necessarily rely upon a relatively free flow of imported raw materials and exported manufactured goods (nations like China and the U.S.A. are much more capable of autarky or something approaching it)

    Here is an interesting collection of data over time about the economies of China and Taiwan, including growth in their GDPP. I did not find data comparing changes in tariffs on imports over time in my admittedly casual research, but it seems China’s currently fall just shy of ten per cent on average, and Taiwan’s are currently just above six per cent.

    Thanks for your interesting and thoughtful response. You may be right; it’s a complicated, but perhaps ultimately empirical, question. I still contend that the U.S.A.’s current modus operandi of raping its citizens to enrich its kakistocracy and enrich other nations is untenable. If tariffs will indeed only exacerbate the situation, we had sure as Hell better find out something else that can ameliorate it!

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