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From Forbes:

‘Jumanji’ Pounces To Solid $39M+ China Debut; ‘Last Jedi’ Plunges 95%; ‘Coco’ Still Strong

Rob Cain , CONTRIBUTOR

Jumanji has led all comers this weekend in China with an estimated $39 million opening weekend box office gross. …

Star Wars: The Last Jedi … Theater exhibitors dropped the Disney space opera sequel like a hot potato, and as a result it suffered a record-breaking 95 percent second weekend collapse.

I don’t know anything about Chinese box office, but among bigger budget movies in America, the worst drop-off from first to second weekend might be the notorious Gigli at -82%, while Fifty Shades of Grey dropped 74%. So a 95% drop for The Last Jedi seems … bad.

Last Jedi will wind up the frame with a little more than $2 million, and roughly $38 million in PRC grosses to date. Not counting ticketing fees, which have inflated Last Jedi’s grosses, the Rian Johnson-directed sequel will finish its PRC run with about 40 percent less revenue than last year’s Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, and 66 percent less than the previous year’s Star Wars: The Force Awakens.

This raises the question of how bad for business the SJW takeover of the entertainment industry is going to be. American movies, for example, have been an extremely successful export industry over the years.

While the current urge in America to put women in charge of boys’ sci-fi movies, to cast unattractive people as if they were movie stars, and the like might go over well on Instagram, the Chinese don’t see much reason to pay for it.

 
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  1. anon • Disclaimer says:

    It is just a really bad movie with no plots. I was so bored I almost fell asleep.

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    • Replies: @Neoconned
    I enjoyed it as a pure popcorn flick....but I went in w really low expectations.

    Disney is going to be doing a lot of marketing studying though over the next year trying to figure out how to get the Chinese to buy movie tickets.
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  2. gp says:

    “This raises the question of how bad for business the SJW takeover of the entertainment industry is going to be.” Is the SJW thing the explanation for the bad BO? Maybe that’s part of it, but don’t discount bad acting, bad dialogue writing, stale plotting. In 1977, the revival of the space opera genre was fresh, the writing and acting was rousing. In 2018, it’s a soulless tale of tedious details.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Is the SJW thing the explanation for the bad BO?
     
    Huh? Oh, box office.

    How is that other BO situation in China? I remember it being rather rank in parts of Europe. They need to wash their shirts more often.
    , @Neoconned
    I wanna know 2 things....

    1) first w all these sex harassment suits out there how are they going to insure either these companies or the individual productions if the insurance companies that extend liability to cover SH suits?

    2) Weinstein I recall reading for all his faults was one of the best deal brokers in Hollywood.

    Even as his company had started to slow it's product lineup he had cobbled together half a billion USD in credit lines from like 14 different banks....talk about an elaborate process & lots of intricate deal making.

    But if you're a banker or investor and see his hugely successful company and say "shit it self immolated in like a month, I'm not investing in a movie production company w all this drama and litigation risk going on. I'll go buy Bitcoin or throw some cash into the stock market.

    The number of film production companies w financing is going to plummet. The number of credit lines for these studios will fall. And the number of films being made and the budgets will both plummet as well.

    All these feminists on social media throwing their hashtags around are making themselves radioactive to hiring managers. They will make themselves unemployable before all this shit settles.

    And if they sign a contract to be a nude body double and then in a very public way go to the media and make litigious statements....who's going to want to work w them again? Answer: nobody.
    , @Harry Flashman
    "Is the SJW thing the explanation for the bad BO? Maybe that’s part of it, but don’t discount bad acting, bad dialogue writing, stale plotting."

    Isn't bad acting, bad dialogue writing, and stale plotting the very definition of the SJW thing?
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  3. Anonym says:

    When you google image search “female Chinese movie star” this is the sort of image you get:

    Contrast with Kellie Marie Tran from SJW Wars:

    Don’t they have a casting couch in Hollywood these days?

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    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
    I don’t mean to be mean, but are we sure Ms. Tran isn’t a tranny?

    In any case, this is likely what we can expect as Hollywood, in an attempt to avoid sexual exploitation of good looking actresses by horny male film executives, has all its casting done by SJW women.
    , @syonredux
    It was very strange. Tran was part of a duo, the the Tico sisters, Paige and Rose. They kill off Paige

    https://am23.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2017/11/Star-Wars-Bomber-Command-Cover-Top.jpg



    But keep Rose alive



    http://media.comicbook.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rose-kelly-marie-tran-audition-1069038.jpeg


    Maybe they assumed that gordita-class feminist film critics compose a huge chunk of the movie-going audience in China?
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    Tran is a Vietnamese sounding name and her physiognomy is consistent with that. Given her other attributes, wouldn't that be like if they would have cast Cheech Marin as John McClane in Die Hard?
    , @Escher
    Ms Tran makes Ms Ridley look positively like supermodel material.
    , @BB753
    It must have been the lesbian casting couch.
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  4. Ockham’s Razor here. Given the data you provided isn’t it simply more likely that SW movies are getting less popular in China (and maybe elsewhere).

    Eventually all franchises peter out.

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    • Replies: @blockedfireexit
    In China, Star Wars isn't a well-known and long-running franchise, it's a hit followed by a flop. Seeing what changed from the first movie to the second is a pretty solid angle.
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  5. wren says:

    Well jeez, the Chinese still believe in quaint things like a meritocracy and, heaven forbid, walls, so of course they are not woke enough to appreciate an sjw star wars.

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    • Replies: @jim jones
    A shame that the Chinese never invented machine guns
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  6. el topo says:

    Interesting that Fifty Shades had such a big drop-off, since it too had a feminist theme.

    This makes me less worried about China’s increasing power.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It made a lot of money it's opening weekend.
    , @Allen
    50 Shades was feminist? I have never and will never watch that movie, but I thought it was all about a girl discovering she enjoyed being physically/sexually dominated by a handsome wealthy guy. I'm not really seeing the feminist empowerment angle here.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Photo of Dakota Johnson on the set of 50 Shades.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Dakota_Johnson_2014_%28cropped%29.jpg

    Here she is full-frontal bikini, April 2017

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/04/21/3EF03B0600000578-4380026-Seen_while_drenched_Meanwhile_the_bottoms_featured_a_black_waist-a-105_1491336386943.jpg

    Call me a prudish, uptight, Bible-thumping, stick-in-the-mud but I think movies about sex should star sexy people!

    Back when I thought Joss Whedon was cool, I remember being impressed by how much obvious physical work the cast of Serenity had put into making themselves look good for the less forgiving movie cameras. As I recall too, the film was mostly a labor of love that would not and did not make much money outside the Firefly fanbase.

    Along those lines, it would have been nice if Marlon Brando had showed up for Apocalypse Now looking more like a Green Beret lieutenant-colonel than like a retired actor.
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  7. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2018/01/06/4-key-reasons-why-star-wars-the-last-jedi-is-a-catastrophic-flop-in-china/

    This Forbes article summarises the underperformance due to:

    1) The new movies being heavily dependent on canon from the previous movies which the Chinese missed the first time.

    2) The swordplay is very dull. Hard to argue with that. Just another example of Disney mindlessly following the original trilogy.

    3) Unlike Michael Bay and James Cameron’s movies, the new movies are visually boring with a dull colour palette.

    4) Instead of sci-fi spectacle they got a lot of soap opera featuring characters from the past they do not know or care about.

    So basically none of the reasons mentioned by Steve S. From the list of complaints it looks like the colourful, fun and visually spectacular prequels would have suited Chinese tastes more. They get trashed by old fanboys about as much as Bay’s movies.

    Maybe Disney should have gone ahead with Lucasfilm’s original plan of re-releasing the first six movies in 3D as a way to build familiarity with the series at least in China. I guess they got so used to big Chinese grosses for the Marvel movies they reckoned they would do well regardless.

    I wonder what this means for the Rian Johnson trilogy since the whole reason for doing the new movies was to make the Chinese big Star Wars fans.

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    • Replies: @Mitleser

    From the list of complaints it looks like the colourful, fun and visually spectacular prequels would have suited Chinese tastes more.
     
    Mine too.
    They were the SW of my generation.
    , @SOL
    Did you really expect Forbes to talk about racist Chinese people are? Incredible.
    , @Hawg
    The swordplay is dull? The original trilogy has less than 10 minutes total, and none of it that well choreographed.

    Episode 1 had the Dual of the Fates, which is like 3 minutes.

    Clones had jango vs Obi-wan, the Arena and the finale which, while cool, had horrible choreography due to Christopher Lee being so old. Probably the most real battling of any episode.

    Sith had the incredible Grievous fight, which was like 60 seconds, a few battles with droids, a very quick Emporer battle, and then of course the Main Event, which was mostly running and jumping.

    Star Wars has NEVER been about saver fights. I'd guess all 8 episodes combined have less than 30 minutes of edited saber fighting.
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  8. Sinopsis says:

    It may just be that as the world realizes that America isn’t all that, it decides that American entertainment isn’t all that, either.

    Dangal, the Bolly wood movie, did extremely well in China in 2017, and surpassed 95% of Hollywood releases in gross take. Could be a sign of things to come.

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    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    Yeah that too. Americans puzzling over why uh Star Wars isn't a big deal in China reflects a certain amount of cultural narcissism. Star Wars: The Force Awakens did pretty poorly in Japan as well IIRC.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Chinese are still paying to have kids here, not in India.
    , @VeritasVino
    Well we know that isn’t it. Sure America has California but the rest of it pretty much is “all that.”

    Bollywood is a joke. There is no union, OSHA, or EPA to drive production cost up. That $300million would have been a money loser in the USA. Clean drinking water isn’t cheap.
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  9. I realize the Jewish guys in charge of studios–and the writers–are going to forever be promoting minoritarianism. They’ll never be a shortage of bad whites, especially the blond guys with a vaguely Germanic look or accent. I get it.

    But this stuff is just crazy. They could cast a buff handsome Chinese guy as one of the male leads blasting evil stormtroopers–along with a handsome white guy. Throw some attractive Chinese gals into the mix, along with assorted other ethnic types for “diversity!” … and do bofo box office in China.

    Instead they cast a ho-hum black guy and a Vietnamese girl who is so plain i doubt even the yellow-fevered nerd boys are salivating. Great job!

    This is just leaving money on the table.

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  10. Bugg says:

    Or may be the people of Land of Rampant Video Pirating doesn’t see the point in leaving your couch when you can see the same exact movie for a fraction of the cost of the movie theater experience. Whether it’s swag DVD copies or digital downloads, NOBODY who isn’t a teenager looking to …have some fun in the dark…wants to go to a crappy overpriced movie theater . NFL is experiencing this (among other reasons) ; home HDTV technology is making your home a better experience.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Chinese like going out to the movies these days. (Same as the Russians.)

    The last Fast and Furious car chase movie, for instance, made $393 million in Chinese theaters last year.

    , @AnotherDad

    NFL is experiencing this (among other reasons) ; home HDTV technology is making your home a better experience.
     
    The NFL is experiencing something else--the TV ratings are down as well. It turns out even NFL fans--or a significant subset thereof--don't actually like being given the finger by their entertainers.
    , @songbird
    I wonder if people in Chinese movie theaters talk during the movie. I have heard there are a lot of rude Chinese due to urbanization being an ongoing process, but still I believe the average theater there would be a better experience.
    , @Jim Don Bob

    NOBODY who isn’t a teenager looking to …have some fun in the dark…wants to go to a crappy overpriced movie theater .
     
    I checked prices to go see Dunkirk at the local theater. The senior rate was almost $12 for an 11am showing. I don't think so. I will wait for Redbox.
    , @David
    Wouldn't that would mean that all movies would have a similar drop then?
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  11. The Chongers have chunged definitively. America must respect.

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  12. BB753 says:

    Hollywood is finished.

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  13. @anony-mouse
    Ockham's Razor here. Given the data you provided isn't it simply more likely that SW movies are getting less popular in China (and maybe elsewhere).

    Eventually all franchises peter out.

    In China, Star Wars isn’t a well-known and long-running franchise, it’s a hit followed by a flop. Seeing what changed from the first movie to the second is a pretty solid angle.

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  14. Yan Shen says:

    While the current urge in America to put women in charge of boys’ sci-fi movies, to cast unattractive people as if they were movie stars

    The fat Asian chick was bad looking, but apart from that I thought Daisy Ridley, Oscar Issac and John Boyega were good looking actors. I mean granted Daisy Ridley isn’t quite uh Kiera Knightley here, but still. And what’s up with all the John Boyega hate? As far as black guys go, he’s decent looking enough.

    I’m not really seeing a trend of SJWs casting unattractive people in major movie roles. The only thing I’ve noticed that might be considered a PC trend is that they’re starting to make the extras racially diverse now, whereas before they might’ve been all white. So for instance, in the new Hobbit movies there were black and Asian townsfolk, which seemed to me to a bit silly given that Middle Earth was based on Europe. And in Oz the Great and Powerful, they made the munchkins fairly racially diverse. Also in the recent Cinderella live action remake, they had some uh black and Asian princesses at the ball as well.

    Apart from that though, it seems to me that the main roles in most movies still mostly go to whites and blacks, much like it’s been for the past few decades.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    And what’s up with all the John Boyega hate? As far as black guys go, he’s decent looking enough.
     
    He's got the trifecta: he's not good-looking; he's not charismatic; and he's a very mediocre-to-bad actor.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    John Boyega plays a sort of Everyman character (though weren't storm troopers supposed to be clones?), and was cast as such. He's not ugly, but he's not exactly Billy Dee Williams in The Empire Strikes Back.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I mean granted Daisy Ridley isn’t quite uh Kiera Knightley here, but still.
     
    I've said this before, but she kinda looks like Hugo Weaving in drag. Not attractive.
    , @Ryan Klesko
    You would expect most roles to go to Whites. Blacks are represented far more than their 13% of the population.

    I agree that Asians and Latinos are underrepresented, but it's not White men casting these movies.

    Plenty of Chinese movies have been hits, so it's not like people are averse to Asian actors.
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  15. Tiny Duck says:

    Sorry. Most people LOVE the new and improved Star Wars.

    This is because it reflects the truth which is that women and People of Color are in a struggle against white Christian males to make the world a better place

    Diversity is the future. As Leonard Pitts says embrace it or be miserable

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    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    I'm sure that you and your fellow tiny dick people love TLJ, but it has become obvious that normal people don't like it at all. You are going to be miserable no matter what you embrace.
    , @VeritasVino
    How are people of color trying to make the world better and how are white Christian men stopping them? Do PoC have meetings where they sit around talking about cancer being cured while white guys go to church and plot ways to make the world worse?

    Lacking facts, Your entire statement sounds like bullying bigotry. I hope I’m mistaken.
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  16. @Bugg
    Or may be the people of Land of Rampant Video Pirating doesn't see the point in leaving your couch when you can see the same exact movie for a fraction of the cost of the movie theater experience. Whether it's swag DVD copies or digital downloads, NOBODY who isn't a teenager looking to ...have some fun in the dark...wants to go to a crappy overpriced movie theater . NFL is experiencing this (among other reasons) ; home HDTV technology is making your home a better experience.

    The Chinese like going out to the movies these days. (Same as the Russians.)

    The last Fast and Furious car chase movie, for instance, made $393 million in Chinese theaters last year.

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  17. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    The female lead in Rogue One, Felicity Jones, was much more attractive than the one in the current Star Wars trilogy, Daisy Ridley.

    http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0428065/mediaviewer/rm4223614208

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    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
    They are about even though Jones is a much better actress. Ridley is quite attractive, hopefully J J Abrams will put her in a bikini for the first reel of the next movie.
    , @El Dato
    Also made me feel old.

    "Why are confused & impulsive high schoolers taking the lead now?"

    Oh, wait, I could basically show up as Tarkin. Okay.
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  18. @el topo
    Interesting that Fifty Shades had such a big drop-off, since it too had a feminist theme.

    This makes me less worried about China's increasing power.

    It made a lot of money it’s opening weekend.

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  19. Ebart says:

    So… turns out the Chinese won’t follow gals who look and sound like Margaret Cho into the entertainment breech. I can’t believe they gave the girl an actual Margaret Cho-like haircut! If you must have a girl who is unattractive, WHY do you try to remind us of Margaret Cho? “Yeh, let’s put sprinkles of smoker’s loogie on top of that shit sandwich! They’ll love it!”

    I remember after watching “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon,” agreeing with my friends that we couldn’t decide which of the main character’s we’d rather have sex with. The young one, or the older one. It was a toss up.

    That’s what we’re SUPPOSED to be asking after an good action movie!

    That’s whatcha great casting!

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Chinese actresses:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg0lidlRPnU

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  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Jesse Singal:

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    I haven't watched the Pinker interview but it's à priori unlikely that a jewish left-leaning prof with Doc Brown hairdo praises redpilling. That's practically physically impossible.

    People on the other side hold bigoted views which we don't like:


    That’s unfortunate, Mr. Pinker argues, because while someone might use these facts to support bigoted views, that needn’t be the case, because “for each one of these facts, there are very powerful counterarguments for why they don’t license racism and sexism and anarcho-capitalism and so on.”

     

    Luckily we won't have to rub out Pinker for having been misquoted:

    Steven Pinker will be O.K. A fleeting Twitter blowup isn’t going to bruise his long and successful career as a public intellectual. But this is happening more and more — and in many cases to people who don’t have the standing and reputation he does.
     

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  21. I remember your post about Rogue One where you said that the black guy was not on the movie poster in China. Judging from that, my guess is that the romance between a Black Guy and an Asian Woman was not well received

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  22. Mitleser says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2018/01/06/4-key-reasons-why-star-wars-the-last-jedi-is-a-catastrophic-flop-in-china/

    This Forbes article summarises the underperformance due to:

    1) The new movies being heavily dependent on canon from the previous movies which the Chinese missed the first time.

    2) The swordplay is very dull. Hard to argue with that. Just another example of Disney mindlessly following the original trilogy.

    3) Unlike Michael Bay and James Cameron's movies, the new movies are visually boring with a dull colour palette.

    4) Instead of sci-fi spectacle they got a lot of soap opera featuring characters from the past they do not know or care about.

    So basically none of the reasons mentioned by Steve S. From the list of complaints it looks like the colourful, fun and visually spectacular prequels would have suited Chinese tastes more. They get trashed by old fanboys about as much as Bay's movies.

    Maybe Disney should have gone ahead with Lucasfilm's original plan of re-releasing the first six movies in 3D as a way to build familiarity with the series at least in China. I guess they got so used to big Chinese grosses for the Marvel movies they reckoned they would do well regardless.

    I wonder what this means for the Rian Johnson trilogy since the whole reason for doing the new movies was to make the Chinese big Star Wars fans.

    From the list of complaints it looks like the colourful, fun and visually spectacular prequels would have suited Chinese tastes more.

    Mine too.
    They were the SW of my generation.

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  23. I wonder if studios are ever able to salvage a film, that looks great but has a terrible script and flat acting, by hiring good script doctors and voice actors for the Chinese version? I’ve heard that’s what they did for the French versions of Jerry Lewis’ movies and that’s why he was such a hit over there. I’ll bet a movie like the recent Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets could do a heck of a lot better in an overseas market where the translators and voice actors were allowed to rescue it from its original dialogue.

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    I think David Lynch should authorize the film students of America to make any edit they want of his incoherent "Inland Empire."
    , @syonredux

    I’ll bet a movie like the recent Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets could do a heck of a lot better in an overseas market where the translators and voice actors were allowed to rescue it from its original dialogue.
     
    Dunno. The problem with Valerian is that comic was about people like this



    http://www.cite-sciences.fr/fileadmin/fileadmin_CSI/fichiers/au-programme/expos-temporaires/Valerian_et_Laureline/AFFICHE-VALERIAN-HORIZONTALE-980px.jpg

    But the movie gave us this


    https://mr.comingsoon.it/imgdb/PrimoPiano/61379_ppl.jpg


    My girlfriend called it Resting Bitch-Face: The Movie
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  24. Spyder says:

    ALso, the asian lead in this star wars movie kisses a Black guy that isnt Will Smith. Keep that in mind.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    In the last Star Trek movie, didn't they make Sulu gay? It's funny because in the original series, he was designed so that like 500 million Asian men could relate to him.
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  25. It was the Chinese that (not removed entirely) but shrunk the black actor in the poster for the previous movie.

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  26. @Ebart
    So... turns out the Chinese won't follow gals who look and sound like Margaret Cho into the entertainment breech. I can't believe they gave the girl an actual Margaret Cho-like haircut! If you must have a girl who is unattractive, WHY do you try to remind us of Margaret Cho? "Yeh, let's put sprinkles of smoker's loogie on top of that shit sandwich! They'll love it!"

    I remember after watching "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon," agreeing with my friends that we couldn't decide which of the main character's we'd rather have sex with. The young one, or the older one. It was a toss up.

    That's what we're SUPPOSED to be asking after an good action movie!

    That's whatcha great casting!

    Chinese actresses:

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    • Replies: @ebart
    Why would Star Wars producers choose to NOT hire stunning looking Asian women capable of this?

    WHY?!!

    Whomever made the decision to cast Margaret Cho should be exposed, and fired:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFH6lXJ6c4k
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  27. ebart says:

    When asked for comment, Margaret Cho responded, “I am horrified to learn that I tanked a major blockbuster movie, just because one of the actresses reminded people of me!”

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    • Replies: @SOL
    M Cho was cast well as an Asian butch cop in Bright. Though some may object to a Korean playing a Chinese.
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  28. J.Ross says: • Website

    As a long-time movie lover forced out by artless wall-to-wall agitprop I feel like the angry old couple cheering the house explosion in What About Bob.

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  29. Vd says:

    The film adds an extraneous Asian character for the China market. Ok. Then they put her in a romantic relationship with a black guy. NOT ok. Remember the Chinese remade the Force Awakens posters to move the black character to the far background, whereas the American posters had him up front. They don’t like blacks, and they probably took the black/Asian romance as a giant FU. That’s why they rejected the movie.

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  30. @Cagey Beast
    I wonder if studios are ever able to salvage a film, that looks great but has a terrible script and flat acting, by hiring good script doctors and voice actors for the Chinese version? I've heard that's what they did for the French versions of Jerry Lewis' movies and that's why he was such a hit over there. I'll bet a movie like the recent Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets could do a heck of a lot better in an overseas market where the translators and voice actors were allowed to rescue it from its original dialogue.

    I think David Lynch should authorize the film students of America to make any edit they want of his incoherent “Inland Empire.”

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    That's a good idea. It could be the cinematic version of the Iron Chef cooking show: "what can you make out of this as your raw main ingredient?".
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  31. Yan Shen says:
    @Sinopsis
    It may just be that as the world realizes that America isn’t all that, it decides that American entertainment isn’t all that, either.

    Dangal, the Bolly wood movie, did extremely well in China in 2017, and surpassed 95% of Hollywood releases in gross take. Could be a sign of things to come.

    Yeah that too. Americans puzzling over why uh Star Wars isn’t a big deal in China reflects a certain amount of cultural narcissism. Star Wars: The Force Awakens did pretty poorly in Japan as well IIRC.

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    But there's still StarWars commercial crap all over Japan. I went into a convenience store in a rural town last week, and it was selling R2-D2 figurines at the cash register. In a convenience store. In the Japanese countryside. Bleh!
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  32. @Anonym
    When you google image search "female Chinese movie star" this is the sort of image you get:

    https://chinafilmbiz.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/female-star-fan-bingbing.jpg

    Contrast with Kellie Marie Tran from SJW Wars:

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NxococuF9yM/WXZxXA7zVYI/AAAAAAAAGvs/4u8xUGHKtfwY8digWIoH5cT8KvOoSQ-vQCLcBGAs/s1600/sw8_10.jpg

    Don't they have a casting couch in Hollywood these days?

    I don’t mean to be mean, but are we sure Ms. Tran isn’t a tranny?

    In any case, this is likely what we can expect as Hollywood, in an attempt to avoid sexual exploitation of good looking actresses by horny male film executives, has all its casting done by SJW women.

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    The casting directors were women but they do not seem to be the SJW culprits as they are quite prominent and have cast a lot of major movies in the past without casting the likes of Margaret Cho.

    The casting and script decisions were so egregiously bad they must have been driven from the top down in the studio. Or maybe it was not even conscious? After all, Disney is the studio that is so emasculated that it employs middle-age women as "boy whisperers". What do we expect when these clueless clowns get the car keys to one of the great cinematic adventure series?

    , @Altai
    There is a guy somewhere on the schizoid spectrum who has a youtube channel dedicated to exposing how just about every famous actress is actually a man being part of a plot by satanic forces to render man low. He has so few views, so many videos and such an unwavering stream of consciousness style that I think he is for real. I can't find his channel now so maybe they took it down.

    There's another guy who seems more likely to be pure clickbait but his voice gives me the impression of detachment too. (But am I schizoid-vestigating them? keanureevesbillandted.jpeg) Come on? He thinks it's suspicious that a Kinh person has the last name Tran?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idpEe6aFR5c&t=4s
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  33. ebart says:

    When I saw the first Star Wars as a teen, I thought, “Amazing movie, Mark Hamill can’t act for shit, he’s affected, he tries too hard, and his bad acting almost fucks up the movie, but not quite. Harrison Ford is very good, too old for the role, but I’ll put up with it, and Carrie Fisher is too ugly for me to accept as the princess, but at least she can act and has some spunk, so I’ll let it slide.”

    Lesson for the latest Star Wars Producers: sometimes the momentum of the franchise can’t always save you from stupid or shitty casting choices. They can add up past what viewers will put up with. Pay attention.

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  34. prosa123 says: • Website

    OT: the infamous Salvadoran gang MS-13 is now accepting white members, at least those with sufficient tattoos:

    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/MS-13-Gang-Members-Rob-Cab-Driver-Long-Island-469178153.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_NYBrand

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    Invasion of the Anglotinos. As though Whiggers weren't bad enough....
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  35. syonredux says:
    @Anonym
    When you google image search "female Chinese movie star" this is the sort of image you get:

    https://chinafilmbiz.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/female-star-fan-bingbing.jpg

    Contrast with Kellie Marie Tran from SJW Wars:

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NxococuF9yM/WXZxXA7zVYI/AAAAAAAAGvs/4u8xUGHKtfwY8digWIoH5cT8KvOoSQ-vQCLcBGAs/s1600/sw8_10.jpg

    Don't they have a casting couch in Hollywood these days?

    It was very strange. Tran was part of a duo, the the Tico sisters, Paige and Rose. They kill off Paige

    But keep Rose alive

    Maybe they assumed that gordita-class feminist film critics compose a huge chunk of the movie-going audience in China?

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    Why do bomber pilots from the distant future dress like WWII airmen? Are the space ships of the future not heated?

    There are so many things wrong with that movie that it's hard to know where to begin. The disconnect between the critics (90% love it) and the American public (49% love it) is reminiscent of Hillary - it is the Hillary Clinton of movies.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    But keep Rose alive
     
    Is she the fabled Yellow Rose of Texas?
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Antidote to Star Wars frumpy cat Force Cho(ke):

    This Asian (okay, Colombian) ‘action’ lady and friends sporting fantasy-retro combat kit. Dig that insane crescendo.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A17rVbNTtrg
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  36. ebart says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Chinese actresses:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg0lidlRPnU

    Why would Star Wars producers choose to NOT hire stunning looking Asian women capable of this?

    WHY?!!

    Whomever made the decision to cast Margaret Cho should be exposed, and fired:

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  37. @Dave Pinsen
    The female lead in Rogue One, Felicity Jones, was much more attractive than the one in the current Star Wars trilogy, Daisy Ridley.

    http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0428065/mediaviewer/rm4223614208

    They are about even though Jones is a much better actress. Ridley is quite attractive, hopefully J J Abrams will put her in a bikini for the first reel of the next movie.

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  38. @Steve Sailer
    I think David Lynch should authorize the film students of America to make any edit they want of his incoherent "Inland Empire."

    That’s a good idea. It could be the cinematic version of the Iron Chef cooking show: “what can you make out of this as your raw main ingredient?”.

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  39. Isolee says:

    On a somewhat related note; anyone else note how sullen, humorless and morose prominent black characters are in mainstream films at the moment (Finn, Cyborg, Black Panther)? SJW producers seem so terrified of charges of minstralism, they strip every last vestige of personality and charisma from these guys…weird, when you consider that Will Smith may well be remembered as the last ever guaranteed box office draw and Hollywood’s last ever true superstar.

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    I'm starting to wonder if blacks havent begun to lose thier "coolness" now that they have entered the mainstream. Compare Lando with Fin
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  40. syonredux says:
    @Cagey Beast
    I wonder if studios are ever able to salvage a film, that looks great but has a terrible script and flat acting, by hiring good script doctors and voice actors for the Chinese version? I've heard that's what they did for the French versions of Jerry Lewis' movies and that's why he was such a hit over there. I'll bet a movie like the recent Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets could do a heck of a lot better in an overseas market where the translators and voice actors were allowed to rescue it from its original dialogue.

    I’ll bet a movie like the recent Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets could do a heck of a lot better in an overseas market where the translators and voice actors were allowed to rescue it from its original dialogue.

    Dunno. The problem with Valerian is that comic was about people like this

    But the movie gave us this

    My girlfriend called it Resting Bitch-Face: The Movie

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    Cara Delevingne is quite cute when she's doing her thing on screen though. I agree he was a dud. The biggest problem with that movie was the story. The villain disappears entirely for about half the movie and only comes back for a tell-all scene that's like the denouement of an Agatha Christie murder mystery.
    , @Horzabky
    Like many French people, I was a fan of Valerian and Laureline when I was a teenager. Compared to the characters of the comic, the actors look void of personality. The male actor doesn't look like a male hero, and the female actor looks sullen and bitchy.
    , @El Dato

    Resting Bitch-Face: The Movie
     
    Touché.

    A blogpost about the comic which brings forward what it should have been:

    http://forbiddenplanet.blog/2015/review-valerian-laureline-suddenly-sublime/
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  41. syonredux says:
    @prosa123
    OT: the infamous Salvadoran gang MS-13 is now accepting white members, at least those with sufficient tattoos:
    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/MS-13-Gang-Members-Rob-Cab-Driver-Long-Island-469178153.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_NYBrand

    Invasion of the Anglotinos. As though Whiggers weren’t bad enough….

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    Invasion of the Anglotinos. As though Whiggers weren’t bad enough….
     
    Hispano-Saxons?
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  42. Were the actors in the original trilogy that attractive? I guess they were attractive enough, but never really considered sex symbols (except maybe Billy Dee Williams who was not in the first movie).

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    Billy Dee Williams was great in the original Predator. Good times.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Were the actors in the original trilogy that attractive?
     
    I gather that Harrison Ford was very popular with women, and remained so for a couple of decades - a lot of women considered him very attractive. Carrie Fisher wasn't a sex symbol, but she was pretty enough (a lot more so than Daisy Ridley in my opinion) until the hard living took its toll.
    , @iffen
    Didn't Chewbacca inspire an entirely new sex perversion genre called furries?
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  43. syonredux says:
    @Yan Shen

    While the current urge in America to put women in charge of boys’ sci-fi movies, to cast unattractive people as if they were movie stars
     
    The fat Asian chick was bad looking, but apart from that I thought Daisy Ridley, Oscar Issac and John Boyega were good looking actors. I mean granted Daisy Ridley isn't quite uh Kiera Knightley here, but still. And what's up with all the John Boyega hate? As far as black guys go, he's decent looking enough.

    I'm not really seeing a trend of SJWs casting unattractive people in major movie roles. The only thing I've noticed that might be considered a PC trend is that they're starting to make the extras racially diverse now, whereas before they might've been all white. So for instance, in the new Hobbit movies there were black and Asian townsfolk, which seemed to me to a bit silly given that Middle Earth was based on Europe. And in Oz the Great and Powerful, they made the munchkins fairly racially diverse. Also in the recent Cinderella live action remake, they had some uh black and Asian princesses at the ball as well.

    Apart from that though, it seems to me that the main roles in most movies still mostly go to whites and blacks, much like it's been for the past few decades.

    And what’s up with all the John Boyega hate? As far as black guys go, he’s decent looking enough.

    He’s got the trifecta: he’s not good-looking; he’s not charismatic; and he’s a very mediocre-to-bad actor.

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  44. Dmitry says:

    It’s totally failed in Russia already – after being out almost a month, it’s only got $14.63 million at the Russian box-office as of last week.

    http://www.kino-teatr.ru/kino/news/y2018/1-7/

    By comparison, the last Pirates of the Caribbean sequel (sequel number 5) got $41 million last summer. In 2017, films like the Guardians of the Galaxy and Fast & Furious sequels were dominating the box office in Russia. Even ‘It’ and The Mummy 2017 seems to have earned more in Russia than this did.

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    It’s totally failed in Russia already – after being out almost a month, it’s only got $14.63 million at the Russian box-office as of last week.
     
    61% of which was collected in the opening weekend.
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  45. Jack D says:
    @syonredux
    It was very strange. Tran was part of a duo, the the Tico sisters, Paige and Rose. They kill off Paige

    https://am23.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2017/11/Star-Wars-Bomber-Command-Cover-Top.jpg



    But keep Rose alive



    http://media.comicbook.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rose-kelly-marie-tran-audition-1069038.jpeg


    Maybe they assumed that gordita-class feminist film critics compose a huge chunk of the movie-going audience in China?

    Why do bomber pilots from the distant future dress like WWII airmen? Are the space ships of the future not heated?

    There are so many things wrong with that movie that it’s hard to know where to begin. The disconnect between the critics (90% love it) and the American public (49% love it) is reminiscent of Hillary – it is the Hillary Clinton of movies.

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    • Replies: @Larry, San Francisco
    Bombers in outer space, how does that work? They also reduced the rank of heroic but slightly moronic Poe from Commander to Captain. Didn't they know that in the Navy Captains outrank Commanders or did they confuse the Army Captain rank with the Naval Captain rank?
    , @Anonymous
    It's even worse than that. The don't just dress like WWII airmen, they actually operate WWII style bomber planes in outer space. That is they fly spaceships in space that have to fly over their targets and then open their bomb bay doors to drop their bombs through gravity, which makes no sense because they're in space.
    , @Miro23

    There are so many things wrong with that movie that it’s hard to know where to begin. The disconnect between the critics (90% love it) and the American public (49% love it) is reminiscent of Hillary – it is the Hillary Clinton of movies.
     
    Film critics may not actually love the film either, but they are MSM employees.

    If the Party Line requires them to love the film then they'll officially love it. They can recognize a SJW propaganda film when they see one.
    , @El Dato

    Why do bomber pilots from the distant future dress like WWII airmen?
     
    Because they are basically WWII airmen? In SPAAAAACCEEE!!

    That's how these movies work. After all it's Star Wars!

    It would be boring to watch drones do their thing in millisecond decision time...
    , @Johan Schmidt
    This is a long-established problem with the Star Wars franchise. They were dressed as WW2 bomber pilots in the original films presumably because of tight costume budgets and a wish to reinforce the clunky Axis vs. Allies analogy. Then, because of nostalgia, barely anything about costumes, vehicles or weapons are allowed to change.

    An even worse example is the Jedi robes. Robes were never the uniform of the Jedi, Ben Kenobi just wore robes because he was living as a desert hermit. The Jedi uniform was tight, practical combat clothing. Fast forward to the prequel films and suddenly the Jedi are all wearing flowing robes for absolutely no reason.
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  46. @Bugg
    Or may be the people of Land of Rampant Video Pirating doesn't see the point in leaving your couch when you can see the same exact movie for a fraction of the cost of the movie theater experience. Whether it's swag DVD copies or digital downloads, NOBODY who isn't a teenager looking to ...have some fun in the dark...wants to go to a crappy overpriced movie theater . NFL is experiencing this (among other reasons) ; home HDTV technology is making your home a better experience.

    NFL is experiencing this (among other reasons) ; home HDTV technology is making your home a better experience.

    The NFL is experiencing something else–the TV ratings are down as well. It turns out even NFL fans–or a significant subset thereof–don’t actually like being given the finger by their entertainers.

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  47. stick a fork in it–the Star Wars franchise is done

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  48. It seems to me that movies used to get a lot of their zing out of their non-PC elements. You’d watch them half-imagining the casting couch action, the comebacks, the behind-the-scenes gossip, the egos and desperation, the starlets and hunks turning up the heat, the drugs and affairs … It all sometimes boiled thru to the actual experience of watching the movies. Fun! Hollywood’s currently taking a HUGE chance. Getting rid of all the un-PC stuff, the exploitation and “abuse,” might well drain movies of their glitzy, trashy alllure.

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  49. @syonredux

    I’ll bet a movie like the recent Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets could do a heck of a lot better in an overseas market where the translators and voice actors were allowed to rescue it from its original dialogue.
     
    Dunno. The problem with Valerian is that comic was about people like this



    http://www.cite-sciences.fr/fileadmin/fileadmin_CSI/fichiers/au-programme/expos-temporaires/Valerian_et_Laureline/AFFICHE-VALERIAN-HORIZONTALE-980px.jpg

    But the movie gave us this


    https://mr.comingsoon.it/imgdb/PrimoPiano/61379_ppl.jpg


    My girlfriend called it Resting Bitch-Face: The Movie

    Cara Delevingne is quite cute when she’s doing her thing on screen though. I agree he was a dud. The biggest problem with that movie was the story. The villain disappears entirely for about half the movie and only comes back for a tell-all scene that’s like the denouement of an Agatha Christie murder mystery.

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    Cara Delevingne is quite cute when she’s doing her thing on screen though.
     
    Dunno. There's something...odd... about her mouth and eyes. I find her vaguely off-putting.
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  50. @gp
    "This raises the question of how bad for business the SJW takeover of the entertainment industry is going to be." Is the SJW thing the explanation for the bad BO? Maybe that's part of it, but don't discount bad acting, bad dialogue writing, stale plotting. In 1977, the revival of the space opera genre was fresh, the writing and acting was rousing. In 2018, it's a soulless tale of tedious details.

    Is the SJW thing the explanation for the bad BO?

    Huh? Oh, box office.

    How is that other BO situation in China? I remember it being rather rank in parts of Europe. They need to wash their shirts more often.

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  51. wren says:

    What has happened to Chinese movies though?

    I don’t remember one more recent than Hero that I have really enjoyed.

    Are there good ones that I missed?

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    Chinese movies make lots and lots of money in China, but they don't generate much excitement in the US anymore the way they did 15 years ago. I don't know why that is.
    , @syonredux
    From the standpoint of state propaganda, Wolf Warrior 2 makes an interesting watch. Here's the response of a liberal American film critic:

    Well, they did. Actually, they've made a lot of them in the last few years, but the latest one is called Wolf Warrior 2 and it's made nearly a billion dollars in China alone (you read that right). It's the kind of mega-hit that gets people talking. And it was a big enough story to get me to the theater.

    To be clear, it's not a good movie. It's flat, airless, and barely sound mixed (I mean, at least Michael Bay at least gets energy and lighting). Sure, the fighting is pretty good, but the cinematography cuts it to pieces. There isn't even any of the absurdly unrealistic flare that makes Bollywood action so much fun. Instead, there's just guileless propaganda. I'm talking constant shots of the Chinese flag. Constant scenes of the Chinese military showing their benevolent might. Constant references to their great status with the UN. Constant references to how America has abandoned a world in crisis (okay, that one is pretty accurate). Constant one-upmanship in the face of other forces who oppose them ("I guess the Chinese military isn't so lame after all!" is an actual line). It even ends with a non-translated-for-outsiders title card from the Chinese government telling their citizens they will protect them abroad (I'm not kidding).
     

    But it really is propaganda all the way down through the storytelling itself. What, with its by-the-book plotting, stock romance, juvenile swearing, and cheesy treatment of sacrifice. China has even recently come to the ugly epiphany that filling your movie with blood and violence only spurs on the patriotic zeal even more, along with a greater sense of antagonism. And make no mistake, it's "America" on the other side of this depiction. The one personified by the villain played by good old Frank Grillo, happily enjoying what I hope was a kick ass paycheck. His character "big daddy" is everything absurd and stupid and backward about American politics, all dressed up with all the nuance of a mustache twirl. Nothing about any of his actions makes sense, except to kill as many people as possible for no reason and just seem really, really bad.

     


    Oh yeah, this film takes place in Africa. And look how swell these main characters are, constantly adopting African children. Look how happy everyone is to see the Chinese as they are saved. And in turn, the Chinese love Africa so much they'll compliment their women, portray them as bonfire-dancing extras, and shoot bullet after bullet until the movie piles up more dead Africans than I've ever seen in my entire god damn life. But don't worry, they're shooting the bad Africans! The bad Africans who spent all the rest of the time shooting all the sad doe-eyed good Africans! Which not only downplays the enormous complexity of African politics, but also our role within it. The film never even says the country where it takes place, just "Africa" as if it was one thing. But hey, it's all just a stand-in for "black" as it's mostly trying to put a band-aid on the country's explicit racism against black people.

     

    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/08/28/film-crit-hulk-smash-the-reflexive-propaganda-of-wolf-warrior-2
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  52. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Sinopsis
    It may just be that as the world realizes that America isn’t all that, it decides that American entertainment isn’t all that, either.

    Dangal, the Bolly wood movie, did extremely well in China in 2017, and surpassed 95% of Hollywood releases in gross take. Could be a sign of things to come.

    Chinese are still paying to have kids here, not in India.

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  53. @syonredux
    It was very strange. Tran was part of a duo, the the Tico sisters, Paige and Rose. They kill off Paige

    https://am23.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2017/11/Star-Wars-Bomber-Command-Cover-Top.jpg



    But keep Rose alive



    http://media.comicbook.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rose-kelly-marie-tran-audition-1069038.jpeg


    Maybe they assumed that gordita-class feminist film critics compose a huge chunk of the movie-going audience in China?

    But keep Rose alive

    Is she the fabled Yellow Rose of Texas?

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    Is she the fabled Yellow Rose of Texas?
     
    OT: I lol'd. But in reality, the Yellow Rose of Texas referred to a light-skinned black girl that the singer (a black man) was looking forward to going to see. "High Yellow" is an old black term for how a light-skinned black/mulatto appeared to other blacks:

    https://infogalactic.com/info/The_Yellow_Rose_of_Texas_%28song%29
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  54. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry
    It's totally failed in Russia already - after being out almost a month, it's only got $14.63 million at the Russian box-office as of last week.
    http://www.kino-teatr.ru/kino/news/y2018/1-7/

    By comparison, the last Pirates of the Caribbean sequel (sequel number 5) got $41 million last summer. In 2017, films like the Guardians of the Galaxy and Fast & Furious sequels were dominating the box office in Russia. Even 'It' and The Mummy 2017 seems to have earned more in Russia than this did.

    It’s totally failed in Russia already – after being out almost a month, it’s only got $14.63 million at the Russian box-office as of last week.

    61% of which was collected in the opening weekend.

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    24th most successful movie in Russia in 2017 ($12 million): https://www.kinopoisk.ru/index.php?level=6&view_best_box=1&view_best_box=3&view_year=2017

    That said, a bit disappointed that Legend of Kolovrat did worse, with just $10 million.
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  55. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Yan Shen

    While the current urge in America to put women in charge of boys’ sci-fi movies, to cast unattractive people as if they were movie stars
     
    The fat Asian chick was bad looking, but apart from that I thought Daisy Ridley, Oscar Issac and John Boyega were good looking actors. I mean granted Daisy Ridley isn't quite uh Kiera Knightley here, but still. And what's up with all the John Boyega hate? As far as black guys go, he's decent looking enough.

    I'm not really seeing a trend of SJWs casting unattractive people in major movie roles. The only thing I've noticed that might be considered a PC trend is that they're starting to make the extras racially diverse now, whereas before they might've been all white. So for instance, in the new Hobbit movies there were black and Asian townsfolk, which seemed to me to a bit silly given that Middle Earth was based on Europe. And in Oz the Great and Powerful, they made the munchkins fairly racially diverse. Also in the recent Cinderella live action remake, they had some uh black and Asian princesses at the ball as well.

    Apart from that though, it seems to me that the main roles in most movies still mostly go to whites and blacks, much like it's been for the past few decades.

    John Boyega plays a sort of Everyman character (though weren’t storm troopers supposed to be clones?), and was cast as such. He’s not ugly, but he’s not exactly Billy Dee Williams in The Empire Strikes Back.

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    John Boyega plays a sort of Everyman character (though weren’t storm troopers supposed to be clones?),
     
    I think that clones were just used in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. They were a secret army that Palpatine had assembled in a covert location. After he became Emperor, he just recruited/conscripted people.

    The storm troopers in the last two films are grown-up child soldiers (taken from their families, indoctrinated from a young age, etc)
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  56. The Z Blog says: • Website

    My theory on this is that the arrival of the SJW is a lagging indicator. It signals that the smart money has left the business or industry. Cable cutting, digital distribution are changing habits are sucking the profits from movie making. The days of getting rich making video entertainment is probably over, so the serious people are going elsewhere. That leaves the loonies middle-manager types in charge and they get run over by the SJW’s. Then comes the collapse.

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    Fan-made movies are the future. The big studios are on their way out. The collapsing price of computing power is the reason. There are already some really impressive Star Wars tribute films on Youtube. So far mostly shorts, a few minutes long, but it's only a matter of time before the amateurs come up with the real deal.
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  57. whorefinder says: • Website

    I remember when the Left used to make fun of lectures-disguised-as-entertainment. Heck, they took Dragnet, a hit series for decades on radio and TV, and turned it into a merciless mockery of a movie that flopped, all because Joe Friday and his partner were squares and tended to deliver moralizing monologues while capturing criminals.

    Except that Friday’s monologues were good and well-delivered and the series overall was entertaining, hence why the show lasted so long and made such an impression on pop culture. But they were On the Wrong Side of History so their moralizing got attacked as being the entire show and cornier than it was.

    Heck, I recall when Oliver Stone said that the reason he made that Alexander biopic flop was because of all the lame history documentaries he watched as a boomer child in school where Alexander was didactic and telling everyone everything thing he did.

    In short, the Left used to believe that ham-fisted didacticism in popular drama wasn’t a way to sell an idea.

    And now we’ve come around to the point that since the Left is in power, moralizing didacticism and bash-you-over-the-head crap messaging is the only thing they can do in movies beyond blowing up a few things with CGI.

    Sad!

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    In short, the Left used to believe that ham-fisted didacticism in popular drama wasn’t a way to sell an idea.

    The entertainment Jews switched from well written moral sentiment to base excitement. It takes no talent to incite exhilaration. Year by year – step by step - our culture has been taken to the bottom.

    How sad - we are living 1984 were rap is sweet song – anger is achievement - hating is love.

    Hollywood - cannibalizing culture for profits.

    Art
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  58. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    But keep Rose alive
     
    Is she the fabled Yellow Rose of Texas?

    Is she the fabled Yellow Rose of Texas?

    OT: I lol’d. But in reality, the Yellow Rose of Texas referred to a light-skinned black girl that the singer (a black man) was looking forward to going to see. “High Yellow” is an old black term for how a light-skinned black/mulatto appeared to other blacks:

    https://infogalactic.com/info/The_Yellow_Rose_of_Texas_%28song%29

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  59. anonguy says:

    I told you guys that the Star Wars franchise was going down around the time TLJ was released.

    I was mocked, as I have been in the past for various other predictions that have been accurate.

    Anyhow, I told you guys so.

    Remember the other one I made around the same time, that w/in 10 years, there won’t be a single public high school with a football program in the U.S.

    Maybe something football-like, with nerfballs or whatever to prevent CTE.

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  60. @wren
    What has happened to Chinese movies though?

    I don't remember one more recent than Hero that I have really enjoyed.

    Are there good ones that I missed?

    https://youtu.be/p9keMBIyPnA

    Chinese movies make lots and lots of money in China, but they don’t generate much excitement in the US anymore the way they did 15 years ago. I don’t know why that is.

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    Do you know any dubbed foreign movies that were successful in America? The foreign movie that was successful that I can think of was The Artist and it was a silent movie set in Golden Age Hollywood. Other countries don't have the Cultural Hegemony of the American Empire to sell their movies.
    , @songbird
    I think mainly two things.

    The average type of Chinese movie has switched styles from HK to mainland. Mainland in addition to being generally less fun, evokes communism both by the pressure of the censors and by its large scale (massive armies of extras in uniform, a half dozen protagonists instead of one or two.)

    Jackie Chan's generation has also basically aged out of good stunts. And I'm not sure that there will be another that is given to the circus when they are 5 and hit with sticks until they do full splits and perfect back flips.
    , @whorefinder
    It was "hip" 15 years ago to be into Far East movies, proving how worldly and globalist and open-minded you were, but after a while the newness wore off and the hip thing went to gays, and then to blacks these days.

    That, and probably the Chinese companies got hip to U.S. distribution/studio markets and realized they might be being taken for a ride, resulting in Chinese studios not negotiating with the U.S. market as much.

    Harvey Weinstein was the American distributor for some big Hong Kong film (Crouching Tiger?) and when they sent him the print they included a blunt wooden sword with a note that said, "No cuts." Harvey was rather notorious for hacking around with movies to make them "work" better; he was once quoted as saying that his loyalty wasn't to the directors, writers, producers, actors, or investors, but to "film" itself.

    , @1661er
    This is the highest grossed movie in China 2017 with about $870M USD without much if any US release.

    https://youtu.be/fkqGiPB2D8M?t=86

    , @Twodees Partain
    I've never been able to sit through a Chinese (or Japanese) movie. When "The Departed" came out, film snobs were saying that the original Hong Kong flick was much better. I tried to watch the original and decided in the first 20 minutes that it sucked.

    Oriental flicks just don't do it for me.
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  61. Contrary to some of the comments that I agree with in part, I think Disney was very calculating in making the Asian love interest of the African a below a 5 in looks. Hollywood got away with White/African miscegenation moments because the female was always deficient in some way, viz. Hitch, The Long Kiss Goodnight, Cruel Intentions, Save the Last Dance, or Traffic. She had to be a little brown, or crazy, or too young or naive, or a drug addict to go there.

    Julia Roberts wanted to have a kiss with Denzel in “The Pelican Brief,” to be the first to break the line, but Hollywood put the kibosh on that happening in a marquee property.

    Disney knew the Chinese would riot if their equivalent of Margot Robbie or Charlize Theron jumped on Boyega, so they threw that lumpy girl on the grenade.

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    they threw that lumpy girl on the grenade.

    All that sacrifice and the grenade turned out to be a dud.
    , @whorefinder

    Julia Roberts wanted to have a kiss with Denzel in “The Pelican Brief,” to be the first to break the line, but Hollywood put the kibosh on that happening in a marquee property
     
    Actually wasn't Hollywood, but Denzel. He nixed it. But no one wanted to admit that, so "unseen studio executives" took the fall.

    Denzel has always been extremely careful about not letting himself be seen on screen with a white woman in a romantic/physical way. Denzel believes (probably rightfully) that his bread-and-butter loyalist audience is black women and if he started having romantic pairings with white women he'd piss them off,. Plus Denzel is also cagey enough to know that seeing a black man with a white woman would upset white men, even if they covered it with politically correct tones, and thus ruin Denzel's goal of being a then-black, blockbuster answer to Mel Gibson, and, now, Tom Hanks.

    , @Altai

    Disney knew the Chinese would riot if their equivalent of Margot Robbie or Charlize Theron jumped on Boyega, so they threw that lumpy girl on the grenade.
     
    She jumped on Will Smith. Onscreen and (Allegedly) in real life.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_(2015_film)
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  62. @Yan Shen
    Yeah that too. Americans puzzling over why uh Star Wars isn't a big deal in China reflects a certain amount of cultural narcissism. Star Wars: The Force Awakens did pretty poorly in Japan as well IIRC.

    But there’s still StarWars commercial crap all over Japan. I went into a convenience store in a rural town last week, and it was selling R2-D2 figurines at the cash register. In a convenience store. In the Japanese countryside. Bleh!

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  63. syonredux says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    John Boyega plays a sort of Everyman character (though weren't storm troopers supposed to be clones?), and was cast as such. He's not ugly, but he's not exactly Billy Dee Williams in The Empire Strikes Back.

    John Boyega plays a sort of Everyman character (though weren’t storm troopers supposed to be clones?),

    I think that clones were just used in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. They were a secret army that Palpatine had assembled in a covert location. After he became Emperor, he just recruited/conscripted people.

    The storm troopers in the last two films are grown-up child soldiers (taken from their families, indoctrinated from a young age, etc)

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    The storm troopers in the last two films are grown-up child soldiers (taken from their families, indoctrinated from a young age, etc)
     
    Janissaries.
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  64. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Asian girl has a serious case of peasant face.

    The black dude is not handsome.

    The white girl is a sad vessel of feminist incoherence, arrogance, self-righteousness.

    Burn, Hollywood, burn.

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  65. syonredux says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Cara Delevingne is quite cute when she's doing her thing on screen though. I agree he was a dud. The biggest problem with that movie was the story. The villain disappears entirely for about half the movie and only comes back for a tell-all scene that's like the denouement of an Agatha Christie murder mystery.

    Cara Delevingne is quite cute when she’s doing her thing on screen though.

    Dunno. There’s something…odd… about her mouth and eyes. I find her vaguely off-putting.

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    Cara Delevingne is quite cute when she’s doing her thing on screen though.
     

    Dunno. There’s something…odd… about her mouth and eyes. I find her vaguely off-putting.
     
    Agreed. She looks like a male model with makeup, and her sexuality is DOA, like most committed fem lesbians. Her acting is dull. Altogether, she's creepy and off-putting. An object of masturbation for he-men who cannot admit to themselves that they are gay.

    Who the hell cast this godforsaken mess?!!

    If everyone of every perverse bent has a voice, nobody has a voice.

    It just turns into a Coney Island Human Shitshow.
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  66. SnakeEyes says:
    @Steve in Greensboro
    I don’t mean to be mean, but are we sure Ms. Tran isn’t a tranny?

    In any case, this is likely what we can expect as Hollywood, in an attempt to avoid sexual exploitation of good looking actresses by horny male film executives, has all its casting done by SJW women.

    The casting directors were women but they do not seem to be the SJW culprits as they are quite prominent and have cast a lot of major movies in the past without casting the likes of Margaret Cho.

    The casting and script decisions were so egregiously bad they must have been driven from the top down in the studio. Or maybe it was not even conscious? After all, Disney is the studio that is so emasculated that it employs middle-age women as “boy whisperers”. What do we expect when these clueless clowns get the car keys to one of the great cinematic adventure series?

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  67. @Steve Sailer
    Chinese movies make lots and lots of money in China, but they don't generate much excitement in the US anymore the way they did 15 years ago. I don't know why that is.

    Do you know any dubbed foreign movies that were successful in America? The foreign movie that was successful that I can think of was The Artist and it was a silent movie set in Golden Age Hollywood. Other countries don’t have the Cultural Hegemony of the American Empire to sell their movies.

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    Americans don't watch dubbed movies. On the other hand, it's not uncommon for popular American movies to be subtitled for, say, 10%-20% of the run time for whatever reason.

    Pure subtitled Chinese films include Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon which made $128 million in America in 2000 and Hero which made $53 million here in 2004. Big budget Chinese movies doing okay in America at that point looked like a trend, but then suddenly stopped being a trend. I don't know why.

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  68. Whiskey says: • Website

    When Jews OWNED Hollywood: Louis B. Mayer, the Warner Brothers, etc. they made films with John Wayne, Jimmy Cagney, Rita Hayworth, Veronica Lake, and Hedy Lamarr. When SJW RUN Hollywood owned by Mega Corps: Time-Warner, Disney, NBC-Universal, etc. they cast … John Boyega and Margaret Cho.

    That’s because the people who own and the people who run Hollywood are two different classes. The owners are not directly controlling, rather they are pension funds and hedge funds and various Exchange Traded funds that own stock in the various public companies that own studios as a pipeline for creative content: Minions from Despicable Me, Frozen Disney Princesses, all the better to sell lunchboxes and toys and bedsheets. The people who RUN Hollywood are mostly now women: Kathleen Kennedy, other studio execs, or gays. And they care most of all about social status signaling. That’s all that matters. Kathleen Kennedy won’t get a penny more if Star Wars is a hit, and won’t get a penny less if it flops.

    Unlike the old Jewish Moguls who were crude, crass, vulgar, obnoxious, hated, but had an eye on the dollar, none of the SJW will get anything but their regular salary plus “performance bonuses” based on keeping Twitter and SJW happy. So that’s exactly what they do. Louis B. Mayer had a “butt-o-meter” i.e. if he fidgeted in his seat during test screenings he sent it back for edits/reshoots; and had his secretaries opine on the film. He benefited from every extra dollar and lost out on what was a flop. Incentives matter — since Humans are not Angels its all how they are stacked.

    Hollywood is failing before our eyes. Disney spent billions acquiring Star Wars, and has managed to turn off fans completely on a global basis making that investment worthless. All to make SJW managers happy. They’ve also from a story perspective wasted every one’s time who watched the original movies or will … because the whole point was that neither Han Solo or Luke Skywalker accomplished anything, other than failure, because it took Mary Sue to save everyone. So the hours you spent in the movie theater were a waste of your time and story investment. No wonder fans are pissed.

    The future is streaming — enough budget to nearly but not quite compete with movies, more character driven writing and acting, great story beats that get audiences hooked on a streaming channel where things are doled out. Much like … Charles Dickens serialization of his novels worked back in the day. Give audiences dopamine hook based on the story actions, tone, characters, plot, etc. and keep them hooked. Guys like Arthur Conan Doyle knew this too.

    I’m not sure if Netflix is the one — while Daredevil and Iron Fist have been fantastic; so too the Defenders, yeesh the Punisher is SJW Central all about evil White men. That won’t pay when it comes to paying for content. But there is a business opportunity there — bypassing the traditional studios with up and coming content aimed at a broad scope of people; just avoiding the SJW POZ makes a product more radical and cutting edge.

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  69. @Anonym
    When you google image search "female Chinese movie star" this is the sort of image you get:

    https://chinafilmbiz.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/female-star-fan-bingbing.jpg

    Contrast with Kellie Marie Tran from SJW Wars:

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NxococuF9yM/WXZxXA7zVYI/AAAAAAAAGvs/4u8xUGHKtfwY8digWIoH5cT8KvOoSQ-vQCLcBGAs/s1600/sw8_10.jpg

    Don't they have a casting couch in Hollywood these days?

    Tran is a Vietnamese sounding name and her physiognomy is consistent with that. Given her other attributes, wouldn’t that be like if they would have cast Cheech Marin as John McClane in Die Hard?

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    You are right, Tran is definitely Chinese although there are a lot of overseas Chinese all over SE Asia. However, a similar google search substituting Vietnamese for Chinese will still prove my point.
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  70. syonredux says:
    @wren
    What has happened to Chinese movies though?

    I don't remember one more recent than Hero that I have really enjoyed.

    Are there good ones that I missed?

    https://youtu.be/p9keMBIyPnA

    From the standpoint of state propaganda, Wolf Warrior 2 makes an interesting watch. Here’s the response of a liberal American film critic:

    Well, they did. Actually, they’ve made a lot of them in the last few years, but the latest one is called Wolf Warrior 2 and it’s made nearly a billion dollars in China alone (you read that right). It’s the kind of mega-hit that gets people talking. And it was a big enough story to get me to the theater.

    To be clear, it’s not a good movie. It’s flat, airless, and barely sound mixed (I mean, at least Michael Bay at least gets energy and lighting). Sure, the fighting is pretty good, but the cinematography cuts it to pieces. There isn’t even any of the absurdly unrealistic flare that makes Bollywood action so much fun. Instead, there’s just guileless propaganda. I’m talking constant shots of the Chinese flag. Constant scenes of the Chinese military showing their benevolent might. Constant references to their great status with the UN. Constant references to how America has abandoned a world in crisis (okay, that one is pretty accurate). Constant one-upmanship in the face of other forces who oppose them (“I guess the Chinese military isn’t so lame after all!” is an actual line). It even ends with a non-translated-for-outsiders title card from the Chinese government telling their citizens they will protect them abroad (I’m not kidding).

    But it really is propaganda all the way down through the storytelling itself. What, with its by-the-book plotting, stock romance, juvenile swearing, and cheesy treatment of sacrifice. China has even recently come to the ugly epiphany that filling your movie with blood and violence only spurs on the patriotic zeal even more, along with a greater sense of antagonism. And make no mistake, it’s “America” on the other side of this depiction. The one personified by the villain played by good old Frank Grillo, happily enjoying what I hope was a kick ass paycheck. His character “big daddy” is everything absurd and stupid and backward about American politics, all dressed up with all the nuance of a mustache twirl. Nothing about any of his actions makes sense, except to kill as many people as possible for no reason and just seem really, really bad.

    Oh yeah, this film takes place in Africa. And look how swell these main characters are, constantly adopting African children. Look how happy everyone is to see the Chinese as they are saved. And in turn, the Chinese love Africa so much they’ll compliment their women, portray them as bonfire-dancing extras, and shoot bullet after bullet until the movie piles up more dead Africans than I’ve ever seen in my entire god damn life. But don’t worry, they’re shooting the bad Africans! The bad Africans who spent all the rest of the time shooting all the sad doe-eyed good Africans! Which not only downplays the enormous complexity of African politics, but also our role within it. The film never even says the country where it takes place, just “Africa” as if it was one thing. But hey, it’s all just a stand-in for “black” as it’s mostly trying to put a band-aid on the country’s explicit racism against black people.

    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/08/28/film-crit-hulk-smash-the-reflexive-propaganda-of-wolf-warrior-2

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    Thanks. It is not difficult to check it out.

    The whole movie is on YouTube. The trailer too.

    https://youtu.be/fkqGiPB2D8M

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  71. Zoodles says:
    @Isolee
    On a somewhat related note; anyone else note how sullen, humorless and morose prominent black characters are in mainstream films at the moment (Finn, Cyborg, Black Panther)? SJW producers seem so terrified of charges of minstralism, they strip every last vestige of personality and charisma from these guys...weird, when you consider that Will Smith may well be remembered as the last ever guaranteed box office draw and Hollywood's last ever true superstar.

    I’m starting to wonder if blacks havent begun to lose thier “coolness” now that they have entered the mainstream. Compare Lando with Fin

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  72. Have any SJW’s attacked the film because the White lead character is good-looking, whereas the PoCs are plain dweebs?

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  73. songbird says:
    @Bugg
    Or may be the people of Land of Rampant Video Pirating doesn't see the point in leaving your couch when you can see the same exact movie for a fraction of the cost of the movie theater experience. Whether it's swag DVD copies or digital downloads, NOBODY who isn't a teenager looking to ...have some fun in the dark...wants to go to a crappy overpriced movie theater . NFL is experiencing this (among other reasons) ; home HDTV technology is making your home a better experience.

    I wonder if people in Chinese movie theaters talk during the movie. I have heard there are a lot of rude Chinese due to urbanization being an ongoing process, but still I believe the average theater there would be a better experience.

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  74. @Empty Name Here
    Contrary to some of the comments that I agree with in part, I think Disney was very calculating in making the Asian love interest of the African a below a 5 in looks. Hollywood got away with White/African miscegenation moments because the female was always deficient in some way, viz. Hitch, The Long Kiss Goodnight, Cruel Intentions, Save the Last Dance, or Traffic. She had to be a little brown, or crazy, or too young or naive, or a drug addict to go there.

    Julia Roberts wanted to have a kiss with Denzel in "The Pelican Brief," to be the first to break the line, but Hollywood put the kibosh on that happening in a marquee property.

    Disney knew the Chinese would riot if their equivalent of Margot Robbie or Charlize Theron jumped on Boyega, so they threw that lumpy girl on the grenade.

    they threw that lumpy girl on the grenade.

    All that sacrifice and the grenade turned out to be a dud.

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    they threw that lumpy girl on the grenade.
     

    All that sacrifice and the grenade turned out to be a dud.
     
    No. The grenade went off, and the hole in the dead lumpy girl began emitting a toxic gas.
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  75. @franktremb
    Do you know any dubbed foreign movies that were successful in America? The foreign movie that was successful that I can think of was The Artist and it was a silent movie set in Golden Age Hollywood. Other countries don't have the Cultural Hegemony of the American Empire to sell their movies.

    Americans don’t watch dubbed movies. On the other hand, it’s not uncommon for popular American movies to be subtitled for, say, 10%-20% of the run time for whatever reason.

    Pure subtitled Chinese films include Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon which made $128 million in America in 2000 and Hero which made $53 million here in 2004. Big budget Chinese movies doing okay in America at that point looked like a trend, but then suddenly stopped being a trend. I don’t know why.

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    I remember in the late 70s / early 80s when Australian films were hot - australian cinema was the next big thing in foreign film, according to a lot of critics. Then most of the best australian directors and a lot of the actors came here, and it all dried up.
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  76. Escher says:
    @Anonym
    When you google image search "female Chinese movie star" this is the sort of image you get:

    https://chinafilmbiz.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/female-star-fan-bingbing.jpg

    Contrast with Kellie Marie Tran from SJW Wars:

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NxococuF9yM/WXZxXA7zVYI/AAAAAAAAGvs/4u8xUGHKtfwY8digWIoH5cT8KvOoSQ-vQCLcBGAs/s1600/sw8_10.jpg

    Don't they have a casting couch in Hollywood these days?

    Ms Tran makes Ms Ridley look positively like supermodel material.

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  77. @Jack D
    Why do bomber pilots from the distant future dress like WWII airmen? Are the space ships of the future not heated?

    There are so many things wrong with that movie that it's hard to know where to begin. The disconnect between the critics (90% love it) and the American public (49% love it) is reminiscent of Hillary - it is the Hillary Clinton of movies.

    Bombers in outer space, how does that work? They also reduced the rank of heroic but slightly moronic Poe from Commander to Captain. Didn’t they know that in the Navy Captains outrank Commanders or did they confuse the Army Captain rank with the Naval Captain rank?

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  78. j says: • Website

    Bring back Weinstein. He slept with the whores (so what?) but at least he knew how to make films that sold.

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  79. songbird says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Chinese movies make lots and lots of money in China, but they don't generate much excitement in the US anymore the way they did 15 years ago. I don't know why that is.

    I think mainly two things.

    The average type of Chinese movie has switched styles from HK to mainland. Mainland in addition to being generally less fun, evokes communism both by the pressure of the censors and by its large scale (massive armies of extras in uniform, a half dozen protagonists instead of one or two.)

    Jackie Chan’s generation has also basically aged out of good stunts. And I’m not sure that there will be another that is given to the circus when they are 5 and hit with sticks until they do full splits and perfect back flips.

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  80. Allen says:
    @el topo
    Interesting that Fifty Shades had such a big drop-off, since it too had a feminist theme.

    This makes me less worried about China's increasing power.

    50 Shades was feminist? I have never and will never watch that movie, but I thought it was all about a girl discovering she enjoyed being physically/sexually dominated by a handsome wealthy guy. I’m not really seeing the feminist empowerment angle here.

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    As an innocent virginal heroine, she gets swept off her feet by the handsome super-rich guy, but soon she sets about taming him, asserting herself against his attempts to set the conditions of their sexual relationship, and ultimately becoming a strong woman able to uncover the wounded boy underneath the kinky billionaire.
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  81. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Empty Name Here
    Contrary to some of the comments that I agree with in part, I think Disney was very calculating in making the Asian love interest of the African a below a 5 in looks. Hollywood got away with White/African miscegenation moments because the female was always deficient in some way, viz. Hitch, The Long Kiss Goodnight, Cruel Intentions, Save the Last Dance, or Traffic. She had to be a little brown, or crazy, or too young or naive, or a drug addict to go there.

    Julia Roberts wanted to have a kiss with Denzel in "The Pelican Brief," to be the first to break the line, but Hollywood put the kibosh on that happening in a marquee property.

    Disney knew the Chinese would riot if their equivalent of Margot Robbie or Charlize Theron jumped on Boyega, so they threw that lumpy girl on the grenade.

    Julia Roberts wanted to have a kiss with Denzel in “The Pelican Brief,” to be the first to break the line, but Hollywood put the kibosh on that happening in a marquee property

    Actually wasn’t Hollywood, but Denzel. He nixed it. But no one wanted to admit that, so “unseen studio executives” took the fall.

    Denzel has always been extremely careful about not letting himself be seen on screen with a white woman in a romantic/physical way. Denzel believes (probably rightfully) that his bread-and-butter loyalist audience is black women and if he started having romantic pairings with white women he’d piss them off,. Plus Denzel is also cagey enough to know that seeing a black man with a white woman would upset white men, even if they covered it with politically correct tones, and thus ruin Denzel’s goal of being a then-black, blockbuster answer to Mel Gibson, and, now, Tom Hanks.

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    You got that right. Black women LOVE LOVE LOVE Denzel. It was a smart play by him.
    , @Empty Name Here
    I agree. That gets right to the heart of it.

    I can't believe I forgot the most recent White/African miscegenation example, where the story requires that something is WRONG with the white girl for going there.

    What about "Get Out"? The lead female serves as bait for making zombies out of black bodies. And that was written by the son of a white mother and the husband of a white wife. "Paging Dr. Freud, please call your office."

    Steve wrote eloquently about it on Taki's when it was released.
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  82. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    Chinese movies make lots and lots of money in China, but they don't generate much excitement in the US anymore the way they did 15 years ago. I don't know why that is.

    It was “hip” 15 years ago to be into Far East movies, proving how worldly and globalist and open-minded you were, but after a while the newness wore off and the hip thing went to gays, and then to blacks these days.

    That, and probably the Chinese companies got hip to U.S. distribution/studio markets and realized they might be being taken for a ride, resulting in Chinese studios not negotiating with the U.S. market as much.

    Harvey Weinstein was the American distributor for some big Hong Kong film (Crouching Tiger?) and when they sent him the print they included a blunt wooden sword with a note that said, “No cuts.” Harvey was rather notorious for hacking around with movies to make them “work” better; he was once quoted as saying that his loyalty wasn’t to the directors, writers, producers, actors, or investors, but to “film” itself.

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  83. gp says:

    “yeesh the Punisher is SJW Central” It’s the series that Boredom went to die. I bailed after 3 episodes of Punisher and Hermit-Guy sitting together ruminating in the Nerd-Cave. Did they ever get out?

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    Yes, they do. The series has its moments but in the end I don't think it was worth my time. The Ben Affleck movie The Accountant or w/e was better.
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  84. songbird says:
    @Spyder
    ALso, the asian lead in this star wars movie kisses a Black guy that isnt Will Smith. Keep that in mind.

    In the last Star Trek movie, didn’t they make Sulu gay? It’s funny because in the original series, he was designed so that like 500 million Asian men could relate to him.

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    If people think the new Star Wars films are bad stay away from Star Trek. Just unwatchable.
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  85. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Why do bomber pilots from the distant future dress like WWII airmen? Are the space ships of the future not heated?

    There are so many things wrong with that movie that it's hard to know where to begin. The disconnect between the critics (90% love it) and the American public (49% love it) is reminiscent of Hillary - it is the Hillary Clinton of movies.

    It’s even worse than that. The don’t just dress like WWII airmen, they actually operate WWII style bomber planes in outer space. That is they fly spaceships in space that have to fly over their targets and then open their bomb bay doors to drop their bombs through gravity, which makes no sense because they’re in space.

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    You can't really look at any of the Star Wars movies through the lens of sci-fi critique because all of them immediately fall apart.
    , @reiner Tor
    And all this to the sound of laser weapons. The laser beams are traveling at least an order of magnitude slower than normal bullets. Though their speed depends on the camera angle: it takes the same time for them to reach a nearby planet (at least 100,000 miles) as to reach a nearby (clearly visible) spaceship (at most a few miles away), or to reach an enemy soldier (50 yards). And people are walking aboard spaceships.

    But it was like that in all the movies, and we’re used to it. It wouldn’t be so cool with silent spaceships.

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  86. ebart says:
    @syonredux

    Cara Delevingne is quite cute when she’s doing her thing on screen though.
     
    Dunno. There's something...odd... about her mouth and eyes. I find her vaguely off-putting.

    Cara Delevingne is quite cute when she’s doing her thing on screen though.

    Dunno. There’s something…odd… about her mouth and eyes. I find her vaguely off-putting.

    Agreed. She looks like a male model with makeup, and her sexuality is DOA, like most committed fem lesbians. Her acting is dull. Altogether, she’s creepy and off-putting. An object of masturbation for he-men who cannot admit to themselves that they are gay.

    Who the hell cast this godforsaken mess?!!

    If everyone of every perverse bent has a voice, nobody has a voice.

    It just turns into a Coney Island Human Shitshow.

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  87. ebart says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    they threw that lumpy girl on the grenade.

    All that sacrifice and the grenade turned out to be a dud.

    they threw that lumpy girl on the grenade.

    All that sacrifice and the grenade turned out to be a dud.

    No. The grenade went off, and the hole in the dead lumpy girl began emitting a toxic gas.

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  88. wren says:

    Some of these movies look like they may be good.

    https://chinesepod.com/blog/2015/06/01/7-chinese-movies-you-have-to-see-before-you-die/

    Are you Chinese?

    Any recommendations?

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  89. wren says:

    For your consideration:

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  90. wren says:
    @syonredux
    From the standpoint of state propaganda, Wolf Warrior 2 makes an interesting watch. Here's the response of a liberal American film critic:

    Well, they did. Actually, they've made a lot of them in the last few years, but the latest one is called Wolf Warrior 2 and it's made nearly a billion dollars in China alone (you read that right). It's the kind of mega-hit that gets people talking. And it was a big enough story to get me to the theater.

    To be clear, it's not a good movie. It's flat, airless, and barely sound mixed (I mean, at least Michael Bay at least gets energy and lighting). Sure, the fighting is pretty good, but the cinematography cuts it to pieces. There isn't even any of the absurdly unrealistic flare that makes Bollywood action so much fun. Instead, there's just guileless propaganda. I'm talking constant shots of the Chinese flag. Constant scenes of the Chinese military showing their benevolent might. Constant references to their great status with the UN. Constant references to how America has abandoned a world in crisis (okay, that one is pretty accurate). Constant one-upmanship in the face of other forces who oppose them ("I guess the Chinese military isn't so lame after all!" is an actual line). It even ends with a non-translated-for-outsiders title card from the Chinese government telling their citizens they will protect them abroad (I'm not kidding).
     

    But it really is propaganda all the way down through the storytelling itself. What, with its by-the-book plotting, stock romance, juvenile swearing, and cheesy treatment of sacrifice. China has even recently come to the ugly epiphany that filling your movie with blood and violence only spurs on the patriotic zeal even more, along with a greater sense of antagonism. And make no mistake, it's "America" on the other side of this depiction. The one personified by the villain played by good old Frank Grillo, happily enjoying what I hope was a kick ass paycheck. His character "big daddy" is everything absurd and stupid and backward about American politics, all dressed up with all the nuance of a mustache twirl. Nothing about any of his actions makes sense, except to kill as many people as possible for no reason and just seem really, really bad.

     


    Oh yeah, this film takes place in Africa. And look how swell these main characters are, constantly adopting African children. Look how happy everyone is to see the Chinese as they are saved. And in turn, the Chinese love Africa so much they'll compliment their women, portray them as bonfire-dancing extras, and shoot bullet after bullet until the movie piles up more dead Africans than I've ever seen in my entire god damn life. But don't worry, they're shooting the bad Africans! The bad Africans who spent all the rest of the time shooting all the sad doe-eyed good Africans! Which not only downplays the enormous complexity of African politics, but also our role within it. The film never even says the country where it takes place, just "Africa" as if it was one thing. But hey, it's all just a stand-in for "black" as it's mostly trying to put a band-aid on the country's explicit racism against black people.

     

    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/08/28/film-crit-hulk-smash-the-reflexive-propaganda-of-wolf-warrior-2

    Thanks. It is not difficult to check it out.

    The whole movie is on YouTube. The trailer too.

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  91. 1661er says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Chinese movies make lots and lots of money in China, but they don't generate much excitement in the US anymore the way they did 15 years ago. I don't know why that is.

    This is the highest grossed movie in China 2017 with about $870M USD without much if any US release.

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    That's a huge box office.
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  92. Anonym says:
    @Negrolphin Pool
    Tran is a Vietnamese sounding name and her physiognomy is consistent with that. Given her other attributes, wouldn't that be like if they would have cast Cheech Marin as John McClane in Die Hard?

    You are right, Tran is definitely Chinese although there are a lot of overseas Chinese all over SE Asia. However, a similar google search substituting Vietnamese for Chinese will still prove my point.

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    I meant to say definitely Vietnamese.
    , @Anonymous
    Tran is the Vietnamese version of the common Chinese surname Chen.

    The Hong Kong (Cantonese) version is Chan, as in Jackie Chan.
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  93. theorizer says:

    Theory: After the first weekend, word got out through back channels that the movie features an Asian female throwing herself at and kissing a very african (dark) looking black male, and all of a sudden no one wanted to go see it any more. In particular, Chinese guys didn’t want to take their girlfriends to go see it and Chinese parents didn’t want to take their daughters to go see it. No one would explicitly give this reason though, because admitting that you don’t want to see it for this reason causes the same threatening/humiliating discomfort as seeing the act itself.

    It doesn’t help that the romance /kiss comes completely out of nowhere and doesn’t even seem to be reciprocated by the black guy. This seems like a major SJW own-goal since the asian female character dies within 5 seconds of the romance angle materializing and doesn’t seem to have any possible implications for the narrative, resulting in maximum possible turn-off for zero additional story value. It’s almost like they were cutting the movie down, and they cut out any other hint/build to the romance angle, but no one had the guts to just cut out the kiss itself because of the obvious SJW reaction.

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  94. @1661er
    This is the highest grossed movie in China 2017 with about $870M USD without much if any US release.

    https://youtu.be/fkqGiPB2D8M?t=86

    That’s a huge box office.

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    Here is an interview with the director/leading actor of the film.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/01/08/making-china-great-again
    , @1661er
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7131870/
    Wolf Warrior 2

    It showed on 24,000 screens at its peak. Both China and US have about 40,000 screens total each. So for a few weeks, over half of the screen in China was showing that film. A good way to sell the one road one belt narrative.

    But from the trailer, it's not something that have much international market without China develop more soft power abroad. But they don't really need international market with their domestic market.
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  95. Miro23 says:
    @Jack D
    Why do bomber pilots from the distant future dress like WWII airmen? Are the space ships of the future not heated?

    There are so many things wrong with that movie that it's hard to know where to begin. The disconnect between the critics (90% love it) and the American public (49% love it) is reminiscent of Hillary - it is the Hillary Clinton of movies.

    There are so many things wrong with that movie that it’s hard to know where to begin. The disconnect between the critics (90% love it) and the American public (49% love it) is reminiscent of Hillary – it is the Hillary Clinton of movies.

    Film critics may not actually love the film either, but they are MSM employees.

    If the Party Line requires them to love the film then they’ll officially love it. They can recognize a SJW propaganda film when they see one.

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  96. jim jones says:
    @wren
    Well jeez, the Chinese still believe in quaint things like a meritocracy and, heaven forbid, walls, so of course they are not woke enough to appreciate an sjw star wars.

    https://youtu.be/Wr7sOsMT9g0

    A shame that the Chinese never invented machine guns

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  97. Anonym says:
    @James Kabala
    Were the actors in the original trilogy that attractive? I guess they were attractive enough, but never really considered sex symbols (except maybe Billy Dee Williams who was not in the first movie).

    Billy Dee Williams was great in the original Predator. Good times.

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    Believe you’re thinking of Carl Weathers
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  98. Mr. Anon says:
    @Yan Shen

    While the current urge in America to put women in charge of boys’ sci-fi movies, to cast unattractive people as if they were movie stars
     
    The fat Asian chick was bad looking, but apart from that I thought Daisy Ridley, Oscar Issac and John Boyega were good looking actors. I mean granted Daisy Ridley isn't quite uh Kiera Knightley here, but still. And what's up with all the John Boyega hate? As far as black guys go, he's decent looking enough.

    I'm not really seeing a trend of SJWs casting unattractive people in major movie roles. The only thing I've noticed that might be considered a PC trend is that they're starting to make the extras racially diverse now, whereas before they might've been all white. So for instance, in the new Hobbit movies there were black and Asian townsfolk, which seemed to me to a bit silly given that Middle Earth was based on Europe. And in Oz the Great and Powerful, they made the munchkins fairly racially diverse. Also in the recent Cinderella live action remake, they had some uh black and Asian princesses at the ball as well.

    Apart from that though, it seems to me that the main roles in most movies still mostly go to whites and blacks, much like it's been for the past few decades.

    I mean granted Daisy Ridley isn’t quite uh Kiera Knightley here, but still.

    I’ve said this before, but she kinda looks like Hugo Weaving in drag. Not attractive.

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  99. wren says:

    This movie looks fun. 2010.

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    It's funny how the US and Chinese film worlds have diverged over the last ten years.

    I guess I've seen most of the Ip Man who-would-win-in-a-fight movies, but I can't think of too many more Chinese films I've seen lately.

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  100. Anonym says:
    @whorefinder

    Julia Roberts wanted to have a kiss with Denzel in “The Pelican Brief,” to be the first to break the line, but Hollywood put the kibosh on that happening in a marquee property
     
    Actually wasn't Hollywood, but Denzel. He nixed it. But no one wanted to admit that, so "unseen studio executives" took the fall.

    Denzel has always been extremely careful about not letting himself be seen on screen with a white woman in a romantic/physical way. Denzel believes (probably rightfully) that his bread-and-butter loyalist audience is black women and if he started having romantic pairings with white women he'd piss them off,. Plus Denzel is also cagey enough to know that seeing a black man with a white woman would upset white men, even if they covered it with politically correct tones, and thus ruin Denzel's goal of being a then-black, blockbuster answer to Mel Gibson, and, now, Tom Hanks.

    You got that right. Black women LOVE LOVE LOVE Denzel. It was a smart play by him.

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    Denzel has had an impressive career.

    He was great in Zemeckis's comeback film "Flight" just a few years ago.

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  101. China does two things to protect its domestic Chinese film industry. First, the current quota is for foreign films is 38 per year and there are certain times during the year that foreign films are banned altogether.

    Second is box-office fixing. Sometimes when a customer buys a ticket to a foreign film, they will receive a ticket with the name of a Chinese movie printed on it. The customer sees the foreign film, but the money and attendance figures go to the Chinese movie printed on the ticket. (LINK)

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  102. @syonredux
    Invasion of the Anglotinos. As though Whiggers weren't bad enough....

    Invasion of the Anglotinos. As though Whiggers weren’t bad enough….

    Hispano-Saxons?

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  103. Mr. Anon says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Americans don't watch dubbed movies. On the other hand, it's not uncommon for popular American movies to be subtitled for, say, 10%-20% of the run time for whatever reason.

    Pure subtitled Chinese films include Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon which made $128 million in America in 2000 and Hero which made $53 million here in 2004. Big budget Chinese movies doing okay in America at that point looked like a trend, but then suddenly stopped being a trend. I don't know why.

    I remember in the late 70s / early 80s when Australian films were hot – australian cinema was the next big thing in foreign film, according to a lot of critics. Then most of the best australian directors and a lot of the actors came here, and it all dried up.

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  104. @Anonym
    You got that right. Black women LOVE LOVE LOVE Denzel. It was a smart play by him.

    Denzel has had an impressive career.

    He was great in Zemeckis’s comeback film “Flight” just a few years ago.

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    Denzel has had an impressive career.

    He was great in Zemeckis’s comeback film “Flight” just a few years ago.
     
    Yeah, but the best thing in it was John Goodman's brief turn as a drug-dealer. He deserved every penny that they paid him


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oeU-2UkSIY
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  105. DB Cooper says:
    @Steve Sailer
    That's a huge box office.

    Here is an interview with the director/leading actor of the film.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/01/08/making-china-great-again

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  106. @wren
    This movie looks fun. 2010.

    https://youtu.be/PFoLfRA5ghw

    It’s funny how the US and Chinese film worlds have diverged over the last ten years.

    I guess I’ve seen most of the Ip Man who-would-win-in-a-fight movies, but I can’t think of too many more Chinese films I’ve seen lately.

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    I watched the first ten minutes of "Let The Bullets Fly" and didn't find it to my taste.

    There must be, literally, hundreds of thousands of auteurs in China with decent digital cameras and editing software and skills.

    Where are their films?
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  107. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Denzel has had an impressive career.

    He was great in Zemeckis's comeback film "Flight" just a few years ago.

    Denzel has had an impressive career.

    He was great in Zemeckis’s comeback film “Flight” just a few years ago.

    Yeah, but the best thing in it was John Goodman’s brief turn as a drug-dealer. He deserved every penny that they paid him

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5fvf56uJs8
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  108. Mr. Anon says:
    @James Kabala
    Were the actors in the original trilogy that attractive? I guess they were attractive enough, but never really considered sex symbols (except maybe Billy Dee Williams who was not in the first movie).

    Were the actors in the original trilogy that attractive?

    I gather that Harrison Ford was very popular with women, and remained so for a couple of decades – a lot of women considered him very attractive. Carrie Fisher wasn’t a sex symbol, but she was pretty enough (a lot more so than Daisy Ridley in my opinion) until the hard living took its toll.

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  109. wren says:
    @Steve Sailer
    It's funny how the US and Chinese film worlds have diverged over the last ten years.

    I guess I've seen most of the Ip Man who-would-win-in-a-fight movies, but I can't think of too many more Chinese films I've seen lately.

    I watched the first ten minutes of “Let The Bullets Fly” and didn’t find it to my taste.

    There must be, literally, hundreds of thousands of auteurs in China with decent digital cameras and editing software and skills.

    Where are their films?

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    How much money got spent on "Hero"? IIRC the claimed budget was only $31 million, but every bit of the movie looked like a 30 second perfume commercial at Christmas time.
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  110. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    Denzel has had an impressive career.

    He was great in Zemeckis’s comeback film “Flight” just a few years ago.
     
    Yeah, but the best thing in it was John Goodman's brief turn as a drug-dealer. He deserved every penny that they paid him


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oeU-2UkSIY

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  111. Corn says:
    @songbird
    In the last Star Trek movie, didn't they make Sulu gay? It's funny because in the original series, he was designed so that like 500 million Asian men could relate to him.

    If people think the new Star Wars films are bad stay away from Star Trek. Just unwatchable.

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    If people think the new Star Wars films are bad stay away from Star Trek. Just unwatchable.
     
    I agree. J.J. Abrams is a talentless hack, and the Star Trek reboot movies are utter crap. The only good part about them I could discern was the casting of Karl Urban as the young Leonard McCoy - he did a good job. And the new Uhura was nice to look at. Other than that, it's a train-wreck.

    For my money, the original TV show was the only incarnation of Star Trek that was any good. Cheesy, in a 60s sort of way, but enjoyable. Even the first set of movies with the original cast were all pretty bad. Cheesy, in a 60s sort of way, but enjoyable. Some things are best left alone, but Hollywood always wants to cash in on an old idea.
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  112. 1661er says:
    @Steve Sailer
    That's a huge box office.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7131870/

    Wolf Warrior 2

    It showed on 24,000 screens at its peak. Both China and US have about 40,000 screens total each. So for a few weeks, over half of the screen in China was showing that film. A good way to sell the one road one belt narrative.

    But from the trailer, it’s not something that have much international market without China develop more soft power abroad. But they don’t really need international market with their domestic market.

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  113. Corn says:
    @Anonym
    Billy Dee Williams was great in the original Predator. Good times.

    Believe you’re thinking of Carl Weathers

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    That was the joke.
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  114. @whorefinder

    Julia Roberts wanted to have a kiss with Denzel in “The Pelican Brief,” to be the first to break the line, but Hollywood put the kibosh on that happening in a marquee property
     
    Actually wasn't Hollywood, but Denzel. He nixed it. But no one wanted to admit that, so "unseen studio executives" took the fall.

    Denzel has always been extremely careful about not letting himself be seen on screen with a white woman in a romantic/physical way. Denzel believes (probably rightfully) that his bread-and-butter loyalist audience is black women and if he started having romantic pairings with white women he'd piss them off,. Plus Denzel is also cagey enough to know that seeing a black man with a white woman would upset white men, even if they covered it with politically correct tones, and thus ruin Denzel's goal of being a then-black, blockbuster answer to Mel Gibson, and, now, Tom Hanks.

    I agree. That gets right to the heart of it.

    I can’t believe I forgot the most recent White/African miscegenation example, where the story requires that something is WRONG with the white girl for going there.

    What about “Get Out”? The lead female serves as bait for making zombies out of black bodies. And that was written by the son of a white mother and the husband of a white wife. “Paging Dr. Freud, please call your office.”

    Steve wrote eloquently about it on Taki’s when it was released.

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  115. @wren
    I watched the first ten minutes of "Let The Bullets Fly" and didn't find it to my taste.

    There must be, literally, hundreds of thousands of auteurs in China with decent digital cameras and editing software and skills.

    Where are their films?

    How much money got spent on “Hero”? IIRC the claimed budget was only $31 million, but every bit of the movie looked like a 30 second perfume commercial at Christmas time.

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    No idea about the budget or how much a film maker could get for a million bucks in China 15 years ago.

    I'm assuming everything could be done much more cheaply.

    I enjoy movies like Hero or Tarsem Singh's The Fall that leave nice, colorful images in my head long after I have seen the movie.

    I enjoy it when filmmakers play with color.

    https://youtu.be/IwsYyRc9j4g
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  116. Like the last one, it’s not good but it’s difficult to hate. Everything is better-executed than in the abysmal prequel trilogy, and as for the black/swamp asian/hispanic/female leads, I just can’t give a shit. it’s Star Wars, not Wagner, you know? It’s not Idris Elba as freaking Heimdal in those gay Thor films. That was vile.

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  117. wren says:
    @Steve Sailer
    How much money got spent on "Hero"? IIRC the claimed budget was only $31 million, but every bit of the movie looked like a 30 second perfume commercial at Christmas time.

    No idea about the budget or how much a film maker could get for a million bucks in China 15 years ago.

    I’m assuming everything could be done much more cheaply.

    I enjoy movies like Hero or Tarsem Singh’s The Fall that leave nice, colorful images in my head long after I have seen the movie.

    I enjoy it when filmmakers play with color.

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    This is a pretty good list of top 10 most beautiful movies of all time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj73aDoeFdk

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  118. Neoconned says:
    @anon
    It is just a really bad movie with no plots. I was so bored I almost fell asleep.

    I enjoyed it as a pure popcorn flick….but I went in w really low expectations.

    Disney is going to be doing a lot of marketing studying though over the next year trying to figure out how to get the Chinese to buy movie tickets.

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    It depends, China is reducing the amount foreign films gets to keep from ticket sales versus local cinemas. It was already much less than the world outside China. The studios only report the gross ticket sales in China, (Themselves not always accurate as Chinese cinemas have been paid-off in the past to log false ticket sales to pad certain films grosses) not their cut or the profits, it's useful because nobody really cares about checking the figures.

    As this goes on expect people to become more skeptical of the Chinese numbers and examine how much profit the studios could have made, which may eventually make the whole China gold rush cool off. And the China pandering doesn't seem to have paid any particular dividends, Hollywood films succeed or fail in China with no relationship to the amount or kind of pandering.

    A film like Star Wars should have been making it's money in the US and Disney even strong-armed cinemas to get more of a share of the ticket sales. It's a total disaster, the first film didn't go anywhere, the second film changed the direction but still wound up nowhere. There is only one film left to establish a proper setting as a jumping off point for all kinds of 'trans-media' and give this story a proper arc and ending. They made their money short term but their long term strategic goals were completely undermined.

    , @XCommenter

    Disney is going to be doing a lot of marketing studying though over the next year trying to figure out how to get the Chinese to buy movie tickets.
     
    Disney is not going to like what their marketing department is going to find out about the Chinese market
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  119. Neoconned says:
    @gp
    "This raises the question of how bad for business the SJW takeover of the entertainment industry is going to be." Is the SJW thing the explanation for the bad BO? Maybe that's part of it, but don't discount bad acting, bad dialogue writing, stale plotting. In 1977, the revival of the space opera genre was fresh, the writing and acting was rousing. In 2018, it's a soulless tale of tedious details.

    I wanna know 2 things….

    1) first w all these sex harassment suits out there how are they going to insure either these companies or the individual productions if the insurance companies that extend liability to cover SH suits?

    2) Weinstein I recall reading for all his faults was one of the best deal brokers in Hollywood.

    Even as his company had started to slow it’s product lineup he had cobbled together half a billion USD in credit lines from like 14 different banks….talk about an elaborate process & lots of intricate deal making.

    But if you’re a banker or investor and see his hugely successful company and say “shit it self immolated in like a month, I’m not investing in a movie production company w all this drama and litigation risk going on. I’ll go buy Bitcoin or throw some cash into the stock market.

    The number of film production companies w financing is going to plummet. The number of credit lines for these studios will fall. And the number of films being made and the budgets will both plummet as well.

    All these feminists on social media throwing their hashtags around are making themselves radioactive to hiring managers. They will make themselves unemployable before all this shit settles.

    And if they sign a contract to be a nude body double and then in a very public way go to the media and make litigious statements….who’s going to want to work w them again? Answer: nobody.

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  120. @wren
    No idea about the budget or how much a film maker could get for a million bucks in China 15 years ago.

    I'm assuming everything could be done much more cheaply.

    I enjoy movies like Hero or Tarsem Singh's The Fall that leave nice, colorful images in my head long after I have seen the movie.

    I enjoy it when filmmakers play with color.

    https://youtu.be/IwsYyRc9j4g

    This is a pretty good list of top 10 most beautiful movies of all time:

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  121. BB753 says:
    @Anonym
    When you google image search "female Chinese movie star" this is the sort of image you get:

    https://chinafilmbiz.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/female-star-fan-bingbing.jpg

    Contrast with Kellie Marie Tran from SJW Wars:

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NxococuF9yM/WXZxXA7zVYI/AAAAAAAAGvs/4u8xUGHKtfwY8digWIoH5cT8KvOoSQ-vQCLcBGAs/s1600/sw8_10.jpg

    Don't they have a casting couch in Hollywood these days?

    It must have been the lesbian casting couch.

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    Maybe if Tran was the director I could believe a lesbian casting couch might have been a factor. But as an actress?
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  122. neutral says:

    I wish that Unz.com found a Chinese equivalent as Karlin is for Russia, I guess this might not be hard because of the censorship in PRC and those that leave the mainland often become so called “bananas”, but surely there must be someone out there to write honestly on such things. Specifically the issue that can never be mentioned in the mainstream, the issue of an African and Asian female love interest, and Boyega being so prominent on the movie poster, did this really destroy movie going numbers or not?

    I also need to raise an issue why this movie is so radically different compared to the others, and upset even the apolitical fans that are not generally interested in getting involved in SJW vs altright culture fights. In TLJ they basically killed off the Skywalkers, this family was the core to all the previous movies, it was expected that Rey was the daughter of Luke Skywalker and that he had good reasons to hide her, this fan theory however was not true and the absolutely cold manner and how they simply erased the Skywalkers was a hit hard for those that are into Star Wars lore.

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    It could be that the Star Wars brain trust has some brilliant scheme up their sleeves for the next movie, and this movie was just setting up the triumphant conclusion next December.
    , @syonredux

    In TLJ they basically killed off the Skywalkers, this family was the core to all the previous movies, it was expected that Rey was the daughter of Luke Skywalker and that he had good reasons to hide her, this fan theory however was not true and the absolutely cold manner and how they simply erased the Skywalkers was a hit hard for those that are into Star Wars lore.
     
    Well, Kylo Ren is still around, and he's Luke's nephew, which means that the Skywalker bloodline still exists.
    , @Allen
    The real problem with Last Jedi is that Star Wars is actually a very simple fairy tale about good and evil. Anakin does evil, rejects the wisdom of his elders, and suffers. Luke does good, follows the wisdom of his elders, and is rewarded. Luke's goodness saves his father and they all live happily ever after. Even the "dark" Empire Strikes Back was in the same moral universe. This is simple stuff but very powerful and represents truths most cultures have recognized.

    The current movie (and Rogue One) wants to muddy the water. Luke, Han, and Leia did good but only received suffering. Rey rejects the wisdom of her elders and is rewarded. Her elders in fact decide they too should reject what they once believed. No one gets to live happily ever after. The empire gets defeated but rises again a few decades later with the same costumes. The Jedi get rebuilt only to be destroyed and Luke decide it was a good thing they were destroyed.

    None of this is what audiences signed up for. Force Awakens wasn't a very good movie but it at least gave audiences the good and evil fairy tale the franchise promised. Force Awakens felt like a slavish love letter to the original trilogy but Last Jedi felt like it was enjoying ripping apart the story and morals of the original films. And that's not even getting into the basic plot problems the film has. Who is Snoke? What is the First Order? How did the Republic lose so much power after seeming to be in control at the end of Jedi? The original films left you with questions about the Star Wars world, but ir never left you wondering about basic plot points.
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  123. @syonredux
    It was very strange. Tran was part of a duo, the the Tico sisters, Paige and Rose. They kill off Paige

    https://am23.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2017/11/Star-Wars-Bomber-Command-Cover-Top.jpg



    But keep Rose alive



    http://media.comicbook.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rose-kelly-marie-tran-audition-1069038.jpeg


    Maybe they assumed that gordita-class feminist film critics compose a huge chunk of the movie-going audience in China?

    Antidote to Star Wars frumpy cat Force Cho(ke):

    This Asian (okay, Colombian) ‘action’ lady and friends sporting fantasy-retro combat kit. Dig that insane crescendo.

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  124. @neutral
    I wish that Unz.com found a Chinese equivalent as Karlin is for Russia, I guess this might not be hard because of the censorship in PRC and those that leave the mainland often become so called "bananas", but surely there must be someone out there to write honestly on such things. Specifically the issue that can never be mentioned in the mainstream, the issue of an African and Asian female love interest, and Boyega being so prominent on the movie poster, did this really destroy movie going numbers or not?

    I also need to raise an issue why this movie is so radically different compared to the others, and upset even the apolitical fans that are not generally interested in getting involved in SJW vs altright culture fights. In TLJ they basically killed off the Skywalkers, this family was the core to all the previous movies, it was expected that Rey was the daughter of Luke Skywalker and that he had good reasons to hide her, this fan theory however was not true and the absolutely cold manner and how they simply erased the Skywalkers was a hit hard for those that are into Star Wars lore.

    It could be that the Star Wars brain trust has some brilliant scheme up their sleeves for the next movie, and this movie was just setting up the triumphant conclusion next December.

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    It could be that the Star Wars brain trust has some brilliant scheme up their sleeves for the next movie, and this movie was just setting up the triumphant conclusion next December.
     
    I am vaguely interested in what they are going to do with Luke's nephew, Kylo Ren
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  125. syonredux says:
    @neutral
    I wish that Unz.com found a Chinese equivalent as Karlin is for Russia, I guess this might not be hard because of the censorship in PRC and those that leave the mainland often become so called "bananas", but surely there must be someone out there to write honestly on such things. Specifically the issue that can never be mentioned in the mainstream, the issue of an African and Asian female love interest, and Boyega being so prominent on the movie poster, did this really destroy movie going numbers or not?

    I also need to raise an issue why this movie is so radically different compared to the others, and upset even the apolitical fans that are not generally interested in getting involved in SJW vs altright culture fights. In TLJ they basically killed off the Skywalkers, this family was the core to all the previous movies, it was expected that Rey was the daughter of Luke Skywalker and that he had good reasons to hide her, this fan theory however was not true and the absolutely cold manner and how they simply erased the Skywalkers was a hit hard for those that are into Star Wars lore.

    In TLJ they basically killed off the Skywalkers, this family was the core to all the previous movies, it was expected that Rey was the daughter of Luke Skywalker and that he had good reasons to hide her, this fan theory however was not true and the absolutely cold manner and how they simply erased the Skywalkers was a hit hard for those that are into Star Wars lore.

    Well, Kylo Ren is still around, and he’s Luke’s nephew, which means that the Skywalker bloodline still exists.

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    Well, Kylo Ren is still around, and he’s Luke’s nephew, which means that the Skywalker bloodline still exists.
     
    He is obviously going to die in the next movie, and I doubt that they are going to add in some relationship where he produces offspring before his predictable death. In this movie they also made it very clear that whatever blood ties he felt towards his grandfather Darth Vader was all rejected in this movie, it was all pure blank slateism. All previous movie institutions were destroyed, the Skywalkers, the Jedi way of life, the Star Wars galaxy look and feel, the ominous and serious villains - all have been wiped clean off the slate.
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  126. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corn
    If people think the new Star Wars films are bad stay away from Star Trek. Just unwatchable.

    If people think the new Star Wars films are bad stay away from Star Trek. Just unwatchable.

    I agree. J.J. Abrams is a talentless hack, and the Star Trek reboot movies are utter crap. The only good part about them I could discern was the casting of Karl Urban as the young Leonard McCoy – he did a good job. And the new Uhura was nice to look at. Other than that, it’s a train-wreck.

    For my money, the original TV show was the only incarnation of Star Trek that was any good. Cheesy, in a 60s sort of way, but enjoyable. Even the first set of movies with the original cast were all pretty bad. Cheesy, in a 60s sort of way, but enjoyable. Some things are best left alone, but Hollywood always wants to cash in on an old idea.

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    They fired the director of next December's Star Wars installment and brought JJ Abrams back to direct it, which doesn't sound promising. This one should have been pretty decent with Rian Johnson of Brick and Looper directing ...
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  127. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    It could be that the Star Wars brain trust has some brilliant scheme up their sleeves for the next movie, and this movie was just setting up the triumphant conclusion next December.

    It could be that the Star Wars brain trust has some brilliant scheme up their sleeves for the next movie, and this movie was just setting up the triumphant conclusion next December.

    I am vaguely interested in what they are going to do with Luke’s nephew, Kylo Ren

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  128. Horzabky says:
    @syonredux

    I’ll bet a movie like the recent Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets could do a heck of a lot better in an overseas market where the translators and voice actors were allowed to rescue it from its original dialogue.
     
    Dunno. The problem with Valerian is that comic was about people like this



    http://www.cite-sciences.fr/fileadmin/fileadmin_CSI/fichiers/au-programme/expos-temporaires/Valerian_et_Laureline/AFFICHE-VALERIAN-HORIZONTALE-980px.jpg

    But the movie gave us this


    https://mr.comingsoon.it/imgdb/PrimoPiano/61379_ppl.jpg


    My girlfriend called it Resting Bitch-Face: The Movie

    Like many French people, I was a fan of Valerian and Laureline when I was a teenager. Compared to the characters of the comic, the actors look void of personality. The male actor doesn’t look like a male hero, and the female actor looks sullen and bitchy.

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  129. Anonym says:
    @Corn
    Believe you’re thinking of Carl Weathers

    That was the joke.

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  130. Anonym says:
    @Anonym
    You are right, Tran is definitely Chinese although there are a lot of overseas Chinese all over SE Asia. However, a similar google search substituting Vietnamese for Chinese will still prove my point.

    I meant to say definitely Vietnamese.

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  131. Anonym says:
    @BB753
    It must have been the lesbian casting couch.

    Maybe if Tran was the director I could believe a lesbian casting couch might have been a factor. But as an actress?

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    I don't know. Tran is the spitting image of the Hawaiian girlfriend of a lesbian acquaintance of mine. She was the butch while my acquaintance was the femme in the relationship, being a cute white girl. Or maybe it was the other way around in bed. With lesbians, you just never know.
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  132. neutral says:
    @syonredux

    In TLJ they basically killed off the Skywalkers, this family was the core to all the previous movies, it was expected that Rey was the daughter of Luke Skywalker and that he had good reasons to hide her, this fan theory however was not true and the absolutely cold manner and how they simply erased the Skywalkers was a hit hard for those that are into Star Wars lore.
     
    Well, Kylo Ren is still around, and he's Luke's nephew, which means that the Skywalker bloodline still exists.

    Well, Kylo Ren is still around, and he’s Luke’s nephew, which means that the Skywalker bloodline still exists.

    He is obviously going to die in the next movie, and I doubt that they are going to add in some relationship where he produces offspring before his predictable death. In this movie they also made it very clear that whatever blood ties he felt towards his grandfather Darth Vader was all rejected in this movie, it was all pure blank slateism. All previous movie institutions were destroyed, the Skywalkers, the Jedi way of life, the Star Wars galaxy look and feel, the ominous and serious villains – all have been wiped clean off the slate.

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    He is obviously going to die in the next movie, and I doubt that they are going to add in some relationship where he produces offspring before his predictable death.
     
    I'm not so sure. Although the film was crap, they did do some fairly surprising stuff with Kylo in Last Jedi. Perhaps the swerve will continue in the next film?
    , @Ryan Klesko
    It's pretty clear this is headed towards a Rey/Finn conclusion based on the plot and who's writing it.
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  133. @Mr. Anon

    If people think the new Star Wars films are bad stay away from Star Trek. Just unwatchable.
     
    I agree. J.J. Abrams is a talentless hack, and the Star Trek reboot movies are utter crap. The only good part about them I could discern was the casting of Karl Urban as the young Leonard McCoy - he did a good job. And the new Uhura was nice to look at. Other than that, it's a train-wreck.

    For my money, the original TV show was the only incarnation of Star Trek that was any good. Cheesy, in a 60s sort of way, but enjoyable. Even the first set of movies with the original cast were all pretty bad. Cheesy, in a 60s sort of way, but enjoyable. Some things are best left alone, but Hollywood always wants to cash in on an old idea.

    They fired the director of next December’s Star Wars installment and brought JJ Abrams back to direct it, which doesn’t sound promising. This one should have been pretty decent with Rian Johnson of Brick and Looper directing …

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    Rian Johnson is getting too much criticism for "The Last Jedi" when it appears what he really did wrong is to take on the assignment. Everything people criticize in the movie -the shallow characters, the incoherent plot, the cultural marxism/ PC stuff, the ignoring of pretty much everything in the earlier movies except for bringing back the old actors, was in "The Force Awakens" and seems to have been even worse. The parts where Johnson seems to tried to do something new with this mess were pretty good. They dug themselves in too big a hole with bad world-building to come out with a good third movie.
    , @TWS
    I haven't seen the last movie and won't until it's free on cable. But the last two movies weren't a total shit-show like the prequels they just weren't 'Star Wars'. Joyless, soulless, grim dark movies without a hint of what made star wars, star wars.

    Read the 'Galaxy Edge' series by Nick Cole and Anbach (sp?) Those have captured the soul of star wars. Read that and you'll see what the latest movies are missing.
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  134. syonredux says:
    @neutral

    Well, Kylo Ren is still around, and he’s Luke’s nephew, which means that the Skywalker bloodline still exists.
     
    He is obviously going to die in the next movie, and I doubt that they are going to add in some relationship where he produces offspring before his predictable death. In this movie they also made it very clear that whatever blood ties he felt towards his grandfather Darth Vader was all rejected in this movie, it was all pure blank slateism. All previous movie institutions were destroyed, the Skywalkers, the Jedi way of life, the Star Wars galaxy look and feel, the ominous and serious villains - all have been wiped clean off the slate.

    He is obviously going to die in the next movie, and I doubt that they are going to add in some relationship where he produces offspring before his predictable death.

    I’m not so sure. Although the film was crap, they did do some fairly surprising stuff with Kylo in Last Jedi. Perhaps the swerve will continue in the next film?

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  135. Outsideness is Nick “the Dark Enlightenment” Land’s twitter feed.

    I believe he had a heart attack or somesuch unpleasantness recently. Wishing him well.

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  136. BB753 says:
    @Anonym
    Maybe if Tran was the director I could believe a lesbian casting couch might have been a factor. But as an actress?

    I don’t know. Tran is the spitting image of the Hawaiian girlfriend of a lesbian acquaintance of mine. She was the butch while my acquaintance was the femme in the relationship, being a cute white girl. Or maybe it was the other way around in bed. With lesbians, you just never know.

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    Who pursued who? If there is a physically unattractive person in a pairing, a good rule of thumb seems to be that the less attractive was the pursuer and the more attractive one was the pursuee. (Exceptions would exist for billionaires, famous people and suchlike.)
    , @Truth

    you just never know.
     
    You've spent enough money on game seminars, Bro., maybe you should find out.
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  137. El Dato says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    The female lead in Rogue One, Felicity Jones, was much more attractive than the one in the current Star Wars trilogy, Daisy Ridley.

    http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0428065/mediaviewer/rm4223614208

    Also made me feel old.

    “Why are confused & impulsive high schoolers taking the lead now?”

    Oh, wait, I could basically show up as Tarkin. Okay.

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  138. Ember says:
    @Anonymous
    It's even worse than that. The don't just dress like WWII airmen, they actually operate WWII style bomber planes in outer space. That is they fly spaceships in space that have to fly over their targets and then open their bomb bay doors to drop their bombs through gravity, which makes no sense because they're in space.

    You can’t really look at any of the Star Wars movies through the lens of sci-fi critique because all of them immediately fall apart.

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  139. El Dato says:
    @syonredux

    I’ll bet a movie like the recent Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets could do a heck of a lot better in an overseas market where the translators and voice actors were allowed to rescue it from its original dialogue.
     
    Dunno. The problem with Valerian is that comic was about people like this



    http://www.cite-sciences.fr/fileadmin/fileadmin_CSI/fichiers/au-programme/expos-temporaires/Valerian_et_Laureline/AFFICHE-VALERIAN-HORIZONTALE-980px.jpg

    But the movie gave us this


    https://mr.comingsoon.it/imgdb/PrimoPiano/61379_ppl.jpg


    My girlfriend called it Resting Bitch-Face: The Movie

    Resting Bitch-Face: The Movie

    Touché.

    A blogpost about the comic which brings forward what it should have been:

    http://forbiddenplanet.blog/2015/review-valerian-laureline-suddenly-sublime/

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  140. El Dato says:
    @Jack D
    Why do bomber pilots from the distant future dress like WWII airmen? Are the space ships of the future not heated?

    There are so many things wrong with that movie that it's hard to know where to begin. The disconnect between the critics (90% love it) and the American public (49% love it) is reminiscent of Hillary - it is the Hillary Clinton of movies.

    Why do bomber pilots from the distant future dress like WWII airmen?

    Because they are basically WWII airmen? In SPAAAAACCEEE!!

    That’s how these movies work. After all it’s Star Wars!

    It would be boring to watch drones do their thing in millisecond decision time…

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  141. Anonym says:
    @BB753
    I don't know. Tran is the spitting image of the Hawaiian girlfriend of a lesbian acquaintance of mine. She was the butch while my acquaintance was the femme in the relationship, being a cute white girl. Or maybe it was the other way around in bed. With lesbians, you just never know.

    Who pursued who? If there is a physically unattractive person in a pairing, a good rule of thumb seems to be that the less attractive was the pursuer and the more attractive one was the pursuee. (Exceptions would exist for billionaires, famous people and suchlike.)

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    It was a mutual thing. And there weren't that many other lesbians around when they first met. The ugly Hawaiian girl was lucky, I guess, in being the first young lesbian the pretty girl met (pretty for a lesbian, that is).
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  142. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous
    OT

    Jesse Singal:

    https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/951681461190647808

    I haven’t watched the Pinker interview but it’s à priori unlikely that a jewish left-leaning prof with Doc Brown hairdo praises redpilling. That’s practically physically impossible.

    People on the other side hold bigoted views which we don’t like:

    That’s unfortunate, Mr. Pinker argues, because while someone might use these facts to support bigoted views, that needn’t be the case, because “for each one of these facts, there are very powerful counterarguments for why they don’t license racism and sexism and anarcho-capitalism and so on.”

    Luckily we won’t have to rub out Pinker for having been misquoted:

    Steven Pinker will be O.K. A fleeting Twitter blowup isn’t going to bruise his long and successful career as a public intellectual. But this is happening more and more — and in many cases to people who don’t have the standing and reputation he does.

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  143. My theory is that when the Chinese encounter a steaming pile of SJWism and crappy acting, they say “oh steaming pile, crappy acting, we leaving now.”
    As opposed to Americans, who can pay to sit through and swallow whole fictional SJW nonsense like ‘Hidden Figures,’ and then go on to tell friends what a wonderful film it is (overhead in the boys’ room @ my club, 30 seconds more I would have barfed).

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  144. @Jack D
    Why do bomber pilots from the distant future dress like WWII airmen? Are the space ships of the future not heated?

    There are so many things wrong with that movie that it's hard to know where to begin. The disconnect between the critics (90% love it) and the American public (49% love it) is reminiscent of Hillary - it is the Hillary Clinton of movies.

    This is a long-established problem with the Star Wars franchise. They were dressed as WW2 bomber pilots in the original films presumably because of tight costume budgets and a wish to reinforce the clunky Axis vs. Allies analogy. Then, because of nostalgia, barely anything about costumes, vehicles or weapons are allowed to change.

    An even worse example is the Jedi robes. Robes were never the uniform of the Jedi, Ben Kenobi just wore robes because he was living as a desert hermit. The Jedi uniform was tight, practical combat clothing. Fast forward to the prequel films and suddenly the Jedi are all wearing flowing robes for absolutely no reason.

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  145. @Tiny Duck
    Sorry. Most people LOVE the new and improved Star Wars.

    This is because it reflects the truth which is that women and People of Color are in a struggle against white Christian males to make the world a better place

    Diversity is the future. As Leonard Pitts says embrace it or be miserable

    I’m sure that you and your fellow tiny dick people love TLJ, but it has become obvious that normal people don’t like it at all. You are going to be miserable no matter what you embrace.

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  146. @Dmitry

    It’s totally failed in Russia already – after being out almost a month, it’s only got $14.63 million at the Russian box-office as of last week.
     
    61% of which was collected in the opening weekend.

    24th most successful movie in Russia in 2017 ($12 million): https://www.kinopoisk.ru/index.php?level=6&view_best_box=1&view_best_box=3&view_year=2017

    That said, a bit disappointed that Legend of Kolovrat did worse, with just $10 million.

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  147. @Steve Sailer
    Chinese movies make lots and lots of money in China, but they don't generate much excitement in the US anymore the way they did 15 years ago. I don't know why that is.

    I’ve never been able to sit through a Chinese (or Japanese) movie. When “The Departed” came out, film snobs were saying that the original Hong Kong flick was much better. I tried to watch the original and decided in the first 20 minutes that it sucked.

    Oriental flicks just don’t do it for me.

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  148. @Bugg
    Or may be the people of Land of Rampant Video Pirating doesn't see the point in leaving your couch when you can see the same exact movie for a fraction of the cost of the movie theater experience. Whether it's swag DVD copies or digital downloads, NOBODY who isn't a teenager looking to ...have some fun in the dark...wants to go to a crappy overpriced movie theater . NFL is experiencing this (among other reasons) ; home HDTV technology is making your home a better experience.

    NOBODY who isn’t a teenager looking to …have some fun in the dark…wants to go to a crappy overpriced movie theater .

    I checked prices to go see Dunkirk at the local theater. The senior rate was almost $12 for an 11am showing. I don’t think so. I will wait for Redbox.

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    Movie ticket prices have shot up the last couple of years, especially in theaters that have invested in huge leather recliners for patrons.

    It's kind of like the Cleveland Indians ballpark is now half as large as in the old days when the previous Mistake on the Lake had a capacity of 73,000. But the latest shrinking of 1990s ballpark is much more comfortable.

    The movie business does best in recession years like 2002 and 2009.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    I told this story to one of my coffee buddies this am; she said her friend got popcorn and a coke after paying $12 to get into the theater - $9+ each! You can buy the DVD for less than that.
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  149. eD says:
    @Steve Sailer
    They fired the director of next December's Star Wars installment and brought JJ Abrams back to direct it, which doesn't sound promising. This one should have been pretty decent with Rian Johnson of Brick and Looper directing ...

    Rian Johnson is getting too much criticism for “The Last Jedi” when it appears what he really did wrong is to take on the assignment. Everything people criticize in the movie -the shallow characters, the incoherent plot, the cultural marxism/ PC stuff, the ignoring of pretty much everything in the earlier movies except for bringing back the old actors, was in “The Force Awakens” and seems to have been even worse. The parts where Johnson seems to tried to do something new with this mess were pretty good. They dug themselves in too big a hole with bad world-building to come out with a good third movie.

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    The bad rumors from behind-the-scenes of Star Wars, if true, seem to point to the idea that Disney corporate is exuding mass control over the series and themselves causing the SJW ruination of the series. Someone upstairs has determined these will all be "message" films and white men be destroyed.

    The constant firing of directors bespeaks micromanagement to a degree even Hollywood hacks can't handle. The reshoots of Rogue One in the wake of the Girlbusters flop shows Disney had put a lot more grrrl-power/destroy white men into the film, but elected to delete some (including the trailer line griil-power that had many cringing: "This is a rebellion. I rebel.").

    They also have a major, major problem in casting these movies, especially for the top-of-the-line big studio productions these are. Disney seems to be casting based on some sort of look, and acting isn't even considered. Daisey Ridley has been hilariously horrible and one note, which only highlights her Mary Sue character flaws: bug eyes + open mouth=Daisey Ridley acting. Their diversity hires have been ugly, ugly, ugly, turning off audiences, and they feminazied up Laura Dern to give her purple hair and no logical motivation. And now, with the Han Solo film, they have even had to hire acting coaches because the lead (i.e. Han) cannot act worth a dang---I wonder what gay casting coach he road to get the job.

    Disney is making the major error it has always made with boys: it thinks it can make the same stuff that works for girls and small children, add a few explosions, and poof! boys will come running. Instead of setting up a Chinese wall between the rest of Disney and the Star Wars franchise and just let it be, it's let its p.c. police take over and ruining the investment.

    As of today, George Lucas still might have a chance to buy back the Star Wars franchise at a greatly reduced rate at this point; he could buy the whole thing (including the new crap movies) back for half as much as he paid, then license a new cartoon and book series before he dies, and completely pay off that money. He basically rented the series to Disney for a billion at that point. Then he could will the franchises to his own company. As scary as it is, it would be better to have the series in the hands of Lucas, who killed much of his brand with the prequels, than with Disney.
    , @whorefinder
    As the Star Wars franchise is beset by directors quitting due to Disney micromanagement, I have two possible hypotheses on Johnson:

    (1) he really is such a psychotic SJW that he made this movie fully thinking it was a great film and that Star Wars needed to be saved from evil white males by purplehairs, ugly dumpy Asians, and Flying Leias;

    (2) The movie is Johnson's sincere attempt to end Star Wars to save it, by going so over-the-top with the corporate-dicttated SJW message that The Last Jedi permanently ruins the franchise, costs people their jobs, and allows for a reboot/sale to someone who can take over the series who truly loves Star Wars and doesn't hate white men. In other words, it was a giant troll job by Johnson on his own bosses, agreeing and amplifying their SJW-message until it causes audience to reject the series as it stands.

    For me, the Flying Leia scene makes me believe he's doing #2; it's so ridiculous he could not have wanted it to be taken seriously. Then again, having seen pictures of Johnson's wife, it could really be #1. Poe's law and all that.
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  150. @Yan Shen

    While the current urge in America to put women in charge of boys’ sci-fi movies, to cast unattractive people as if they were movie stars
     
    The fat Asian chick was bad looking, but apart from that I thought Daisy Ridley, Oscar Issac and John Boyega were good looking actors. I mean granted Daisy Ridley isn't quite uh Kiera Knightley here, but still. And what's up with all the John Boyega hate? As far as black guys go, he's decent looking enough.

    I'm not really seeing a trend of SJWs casting unattractive people in major movie roles. The only thing I've noticed that might be considered a PC trend is that they're starting to make the extras racially diverse now, whereas before they might've been all white. So for instance, in the new Hobbit movies there were black and Asian townsfolk, which seemed to me to a bit silly given that Middle Earth was based on Europe. And in Oz the Great and Powerful, they made the munchkins fairly racially diverse. Also in the recent Cinderella live action remake, they had some uh black and Asian princesses at the ball as well.

    Apart from that though, it seems to me that the main roles in most movies still mostly go to whites and blacks, much like it's been for the past few decades.

    You would expect most roles to go to Whites. Blacks are represented far more than their 13% of the population.

    I agree that Asians and Latinos are underrepresented, but it’s not White men casting these movies.

    Plenty of Chinese movies have been hits, so it’s not like people are averse to Asian actors.

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  151. The Chinese don’t care about blacks, gay “experience” & “empowered” women. If they are going to see a foreign movie, they want it white & they want it normal.

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  152. @neutral

    Well, Kylo Ren is still around, and he’s Luke’s nephew, which means that the Skywalker bloodline still exists.
     
    He is obviously going to die in the next movie, and I doubt that they are going to add in some relationship where he produces offspring before his predictable death. In this movie they also made it very clear that whatever blood ties he felt towards his grandfather Darth Vader was all rejected in this movie, it was all pure blank slateism. All previous movie institutions were destroyed, the Skywalkers, the Jedi way of life, the Star Wars galaxy look and feel, the ominous and serious villains - all have been wiped clean off the slate.

    It’s pretty clear this is headed towards a Rey/Finn conclusion based on the plot and who’s writing it.

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  153. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonym
    You are right, Tran is definitely Chinese although there are a lot of overseas Chinese all over SE Asia. However, a similar google search substituting Vietnamese for Chinese will still prove my point.

    Tran is the Vietnamese version of the common Chinese surname Chen.

    The Hong Kong (Cantonese) version is Chan, as in Jackie Chan.

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  154. Unzerker says:

    China’s Die-Hard Star Wars Fans Respond to ‘Last Jedi’ Flop

    “These actors aren’t very beautiful, which may deter a lot of Chinese from seeing the recent films,” said Chen. “We fans often joke that if Finn were played by Will Smith, Chinese people might be more inclined to watch it — because he’s very handsome.”

    http://chinafilminsider.com/chinas-die-hard-star-wars-fans-respond-last-jedi-flop/

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  155. David says:
    @Bugg
    Or may be the people of Land of Rampant Video Pirating doesn't see the point in leaving your couch when you can see the same exact movie for a fraction of the cost of the movie theater experience. Whether it's swag DVD copies or digital downloads, NOBODY who isn't a teenager looking to ...have some fun in the dark...wants to go to a crappy overpriced movie theater . NFL is experiencing this (among other reasons) ; home HDTV technology is making your home a better experience.

    Wouldn’t that would mean that all movies would have a similar drop then?

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  156. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    24th most successful movie in Russia in 2017 ($12 million): https://www.kinopoisk.ru/index.php?level=6&view_best_box=1&view_best_box=3&view_year=2017

    That said, a bit disappointed that Legend of Kolovrat did worse, with just $10 million.

    Disappointing to see Nelyubov’ down at number 97 in the list.

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  157. TWS says:
    @Steve Sailer
    They fired the director of next December's Star Wars installment and brought JJ Abrams back to direct it, which doesn't sound promising. This one should have been pretty decent with Rian Johnson of Brick and Looper directing ...

    I haven’t seen the last movie and won’t until it’s free on cable. But the last two movies weren’t a total shit-show like the prequels they just weren’t ‘Star Wars’. Joyless, soulless, grim dark movies without a hint of what made star wars, star wars.

    Read the ‘Galaxy Edge’ series by Nick Cole and Anbach (sp?) Those have captured the soul of star wars. Read that and you’ll see what the latest movies are missing.

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  158. “This raises the question of how bad for business the SJW takeover of the entertainment industry is going to be. American movies, for example, have been an extremely successful export industry over the years.”

    Hollywood is indeed how America came to dominate the world. Lose that, and many of those 900 or so military bases and FOBs quickly become nothing more than a series of Fort Apaches.

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  159. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In China, foreign movies typically only play for 30 days and it’s not unusual for them to do around half their business opening weekend. Chinese audiences definitely rejected the latest Star Wars movie but it’s not quite the gargantuan folly it seems by domestic market standards.

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  160. @Anonymous
    It's even worse than that. The don't just dress like WWII airmen, they actually operate WWII style bomber planes in outer space. That is they fly spaceships in space that have to fly over their targets and then open their bomb bay doors to drop their bombs through gravity, which makes no sense because they're in space.

    And all this to the sound of laser weapons. The laser beams are traveling at least an order of magnitude slower than normal bullets. Though their speed depends on the camera angle: it takes the same time for them to reach a nearby planet (at least 100,000 miles) as to reach a nearby (clearly visible) spaceship (at most a few miles away), or to reach an enemy soldier (50 yards). And people are walking aboard spaceships.

    But it was like that in all the movies, and we’re used to it. It wouldn’t be so cool with silent spaceships.

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  161. @el topo
    Interesting that Fifty Shades had such a big drop-off, since it too had a feminist theme.

    This makes me less worried about China's increasing power.

    Photo of Dakota Johnson on the set of 50 Shades.

    Here she is full-frontal bikini, April 2017

    Call me a prudish, uptight, Bible-thumping, stick-in-the-mud but I think movies about sex should star sexy people!

    Back when I thought Joss Whedon was cool, I remember being impressed by how much obvious physical work the cast of Serenity had put into making themselves look good for the less forgiving movie cameras. As I recall too, the film was mostly a labor of love that would not and did not make much money outside the Firefly fanbase.

    Along those lines, it would have been nice if Marlon Brando had showed up for Apocalypse Now looking more like a Green Beret lieutenant-colonel than like a retired actor.

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    Call me a prudish, uptight, Bible-thumping, stick-in-the-mud but I think movies about sex should star sexy people!
     
    The movie was for women. In any movie or TV show aimed at women, for a character to be sympathetic, she cannot look sexier than the girl watching---she can only be as pretty as a girl's best friend, but no prettier, since the girl watching would feel threatened that the sexy girl might steal her boyfriend or get more attention. You'll note that on TV shows aimed at women the "bitch" girl is always portrayed as sluttier/wearing more revealing clothing./etc/

    For example, Friends was a TV show that had a large female audience. All three female leads were very attractive women, but they portrayed them all as less-than-bombshell and awkward/clumsy at times so women wouldn't feel threatened. That's common in all programming for women.

    So 50 Shades found an actress who looked awkward and nervous and not threatening. That said, Dakota's got a good body, the shot, angle, and lighting there don't do her many favors, probably the worst of all three possible at that time. She was clearly not glammed up that day.
    , @Kylie
    Right. I want to look at physically attractive people onscreen. If I want to look at plain, ordinary people--or worse--I can go to Walmart.

    My pet peeve is over-the-hill actors who refuse to retire. They don't--or shouldn't--need the money so why are they still making movies? Paul Newman should have retired before the image of his turkey wattle neck was seared onto my memory right next to that of the amazing blue eyes and chiseled features of his youth. De Niro looks awful, like a homeless lunatic. Then there's the reprllent brigade of elderly male celebs who resemble post-menopausal lesbians. It's like something out of Ira Levin via David Lynch. Horrible.

    I was delighted to see Joe Pesci just keeps getting better with age. Still sexy as ever.
    , @Kaz
    That movie is not for you. It's for women to self-insert into. Shades isn't supposed to be a movie that hits wide demographic.

    Stars Wars is.
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  162. whorefinder says: • Website
    @eD
    Rian Johnson is getting too much criticism for "The Last Jedi" when it appears what he really did wrong is to take on the assignment. Everything people criticize in the movie -the shallow characters, the incoherent plot, the cultural marxism/ PC stuff, the ignoring of pretty much everything in the earlier movies except for bringing back the old actors, was in "The Force Awakens" and seems to have been even worse. The parts where Johnson seems to tried to do something new with this mess were pretty good. They dug themselves in too big a hole with bad world-building to come out with a good third movie.

    The bad rumors from behind-the-scenes of Star Wars, if true, seem to point to the idea that Disney corporate is exuding mass control over the series and themselves causing the SJW ruination of the series. Someone upstairs has determined these will all be “message” films and white men be destroyed.

    The constant firing of directors bespeaks micromanagement to a degree even Hollywood hacks can’t handle. The reshoots of Rogue One in the wake of the Girlbusters flop shows Disney had put a lot more grrrl-power/destroy white men into the film, but elected to delete some (including the trailer line griil-power that had many cringing: “This is a rebellion. I rebel.”).

    They also have a major, major problem in casting these movies, especially for the top-of-the-line big studio productions these are. Disney seems to be casting based on some sort of look, and acting isn’t even considered. Daisey Ridley has been hilariously horrible and one note, which only highlights her Mary Sue character flaws: bug eyes + open mouth=Daisey Ridley acting. Their diversity hires have been ugly, ugly, ugly, turning off audiences, and they feminazied up Laura Dern to give her purple hair and no logical motivation. And now, with the Han Solo film, they have even had to hire acting coaches because the lead (i.e. Han) cannot act worth a dang—I wonder what gay casting coach he road to get the job.

    Disney is making the major error it has always made with boys: it thinks it can make the same stuff that works for girls and small children, add a few explosions, and poof! boys will come running. Instead of setting up a Chinese wall between the rest of Disney and the Star Wars franchise and just let it be, it’s let its p.c. police take over and ruining the investment.

    As of today, George Lucas still might have a chance to buy back the Star Wars franchise at a greatly reduced rate at this point; he could buy the whole thing (including the new crap movies) back for half as much as he paid, then license a new cartoon and book series before he dies, and completely pay off that money. He basically rented the series to Disney for a billion at that point. Then he could will the franchises to his own company. As scary as it is, it would be better to have the series in the hands of Lucas, who killed much of his brand with the prequels, than with Disney.

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  163. whorefinder says: • Website
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    Photo of Dakota Johnson on the set of 50 Shades.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Dakota_Johnson_2014_%28cropped%29.jpg

    Here she is full-frontal bikini, April 2017

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/04/21/3EF03B0600000578-4380026-Seen_while_drenched_Meanwhile_the_bottoms_featured_a_black_waist-a-105_1491336386943.jpg

    Call me a prudish, uptight, Bible-thumping, stick-in-the-mud but I think movies about sex should star sexy people!

    Back when I thought Joss Whedon was cool, I remember being impressed by how much obvious physical work the cast of Serenity had put into making themselves look good for the less forgiving movie cameras. As I recall too, the film was mostly a labor of love that would not and did not make much money outside the Firefly fanbase.

    Along those lines, it would have been nice if Marlon Brando had showed up for Apocalypse Now looking more like a Green Beret lieutenant-colonel than like a retired actor.

    Call me a prudish, uptight, Bible-thumping, stick-in-the-mud but I think movies about sex should star sexy people!

    The movie was for women. In any movie or TV show aimed at women, for a character to be sympathetic, she cannot look sexier than the girl watching—she can only be as pretty as a girl’s best friend, but no prettier, since the girl watching would feel threatened that the sexy girl might steal her boyfriend or get more attention. You’ll note that on TV shows aimed at women the “bitch” girl is always portrayed as sluttier/wearing more revealing clothing./etc/

    For example, Friends was a TV show that had a large female audience. All three female leads were very attractive women, but they portrayed them all as less-than-bombshell and awkward/clumsy at times so women wouldn’t feel threatened. That’s common in all programming for women.

    So 50 Shades found an actress who looked awkward and nervous and not threatening. That said, Dakota’s got a good body, the shot, angle, and lighting there don’t do her many favors, probably the worst of all three possible at that time. She was clearly not glammed up that day.

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  164. whorefinder says: • Website
    @eD
    Rian Johnson is getting too much criticism for "The Last Jedi" when it appears what he really did wrong is to take on the assignment. Everything people criticize in the movie -the shallow characters, the incoherent plot, the cultural marxism/ PC stuff, the ignoring of pretty much everything in the earlier movies except for bringing back the old actors, was in "The Force Awakens" and seems to have been even worse. The parts where Johnson seems to tried to do something new with this mess were pretty good. They dug themselves in too big a hole with bad world-building to come out with a good third movie.

    As the Star Wars franchise is beset by directors quitting due to Disney micromanagement, I have two possible hypotheses on Johnson:

    (1) he really is such a psychotic SJW that he made this movie fully thinking it was a great film and that Star Wars needed to be saved from evil white males by purplehairs, ugly dumpy Asians, and Flying Leias;

    (2) The movie is Johnson’s sincere attempt to end Star Wars to save it, by going so over-the-top with the corporate-dicttated SJW message that The Last Jedi permanently ruins the franchise, costs people their jobs, and allows for a reboot/sale to someone who can take over the series who truly loves Star Wars and doesn’t hate white men. In other words, it was a giant troll job by Johnson on his own bosses, agreeing and amplifying their SJW-message until it causes audience to reject the series as it stands.

    For me, the Flying Leia scene makes me believe he’s doing #2; it’s so ridiculous he could not have wanted it to be taken seriously. Then again, having seen pictures of Johnson’s wife, it could really be #1. Poe’s law and all that.

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  165. Kylie says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    Photo of Dakota Johnson on the set of 50 Shades.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Dakota_Johnson_2014_%28cropped%29.jpg

    Here she is full-frontal bikini, April 2017

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/04/21/3EF03B0600000578-4380026-Seen_while_drenched_Meanwhile_the_bottoms_featured_a_black_waist-a-105_1491336386943.jpg

    Call me a prudish, uptight, Bible-thumping, stick-in-the-mud but I think movies about sex should star sexy people!

    Back when I thought Joss Whedon was cool, I remember being impressed by how much obvious physical work the cast of Serenity had put into making themselves look good for the less forgiving movie cameras. As I recall too, the film was mostly a labor of love that would not and did not make much money outside the Firefly fanbase.

    Along those lines, it would have been nice if Marlon Brando had showed up for Apocalypse Now looking more like a Green Beret lieutenant-colonel than like a retired actor.

    Right. I want to look at physically attractive people onscreen. If I want to look at plain, ordinary people–or worse–I can go to Walmart.

    My pet peeve is over-the-hill actors who refuse to retire. They don’t–or shouldn’t–need the money so why are they still making movies? Paul Newman should have retired before the image of his turkey wattle neck was seared onto my memory right next to that of the amazing blue eyes and chiseled features of his youth. De Niro looks awful, like a homeless lunatic. Then there’s the reprllent brigade of elderly male celebs who resemble post-menopausal lesbians. It’s like something out of Ira Levin via David Lynch. Horrible.

    I was delighted to see Joe Pesci just keeps getting better with age. Still sexy as ever.

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  166. Altai says:
    @Neoconned
    I enjoyed it as a pure popcorn flick....but I went in w really low expectations.

    Disney is going to be doing a lot of marketing studying though over the next year trying to figure out how to get the Chinese to buy movie tickets.

    It depends, China is reducing the amount foreign films gets to keep from ticket sales versus local cinemas. It was already much less than the world outside China. The studios only report the gross ticket sales in China, (Themselves not always accurate as Chinese cinemas have been paid-off in the past to log false ticket sales to pad certain films grosses) not their cut or the profits, it’s useful because nobody really cares about checking the figures.

    As this goes on expect people to become more skeptical of the Chinese numbers and examine how much profit the studios could have made, which may eventually make the whole China gold rush cool off. And the China pandering doesn’t seem to have paid any particular dividends, Hollywood films succeed or fail in China with no relationship to the amount or kind of pandering.

    A film like Star Wars should have been making it’s money in the US and Disney even strong-armed cinemas to get more of a share of the ticket sales. It’s a total disaster, the first film didn’t go anywhere, the second film changed the direction but still wound up nowhere. There is only one film left to establish a proper setting as a jumping off point for all kinds of ‘trans-media’ and give this story a proper arc and ending. They made their money short term but their long term strategic goals were completely undermined.

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  167. Truth says:
    @BB753
    I don't know. Tran is the spitting image of the Hawaiian girlfriend of a lesbian acquaintance of mine. She was the butch while my acquaintance was the femme in the relationship, being a cute white girl. Or maybe it was the other way around in bed. With lesbians, you just never know.

    you just never know.

    You’ve spent enough money on game seminars, Bro., maybe you should find out.

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    Lol, I'm no pretend pick-up artist. Though I do read Heartiste and sometimes Roosh. But I don't think they have many insights about lesbians. Probably nobody has ever bothered to study them seriously. To be honest, lesbians are totally uninteresting.
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  168. Art says:
    @whorefinder
    I remember when the Left used to make fun of lectures-disguised-as-entertainment. Heck, they took Dragnet, a hit series for decades on radio and TV, and turned it into a merciless mockery of a movie that flopped, all because Joe Friday and his partner were squares and tended to deliver moralizing monologues while capturing criminals.

    Except that Friday's monologues were good and well-delivered and the series overall was entertaining, hence why the show lasted so long and made such an impression on pop culture. But they were On the Wrong Side of History so their moralizing got attacked as being the entire show and cornier than it was.

    Heck, I recall when Oliver Stone said that the reason he made that Alexander biopic flop was because of all the lame history documentaries he watched as a boomer child in school where Alexander was didactic and telling everyone everything thing he did.

    In short, the Left used to believe that ham-fisted didacticism in popular drama wasn't a way to sell an idea.

    And now we've come around to the point that since the Left is in power, moralizing didacticism and bash-you-over-the-head crap messaging is the only thing they can do in movies beyond blowing up a few things with CGI.

    Sad!

    In short, the Left used to believe that ham-fisted didacticism in popular drama wasn’t a way to sell an idea.

    The entertainment Jews switched from well written moral sentiment to base excitement. It takes no talent to incite exhilaration. Year by year – step by step – our culture has been taken to the bottom.

    How sad – we are living 1984 were rap is sweet song – anger is achievement – hating is love.

    Hollywood – cannibalizing culture for profits.

    Art

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  169. Altai says:
    @Steve in Greensboro
    I don’t mean to be mean, but are we sure Ms. Tran isn’t a tranny?

    In any case, this is likely what we can expect as Hollywood, in an attempt to avoid sexual exploitation of good looking actresses by horny male film executives, has all its casting done by SJW women.

    There is a guy somewhere on the schizoid spectrum who has a youtube channel dedicated to exposing how just about every famous actress is actually a man being part of a plot by satanic forces to render man low. He has so few views, so many videos and such an unwavering stream of consciousness style that I think he is for real. I can’t find his channel now so maybe they took it down.

    There’s another guy who seems more likely to be pure clickbait but his voice gives me the impression of detachment too. (But am I schizoid-vestigating them? keanureevesbillandted.jpeg) Come on? He thinks it’s suspicious that a Kinh person has the last name Tran?

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  170. Altai says:

    Another thing people are missing is that ‘The Force Awakens’ was awful and this movie is it’s sequel. In the West it’s another big Star Wars movie and people will go hoping it does better than The Force Awakens since Star Wars has been established since the 70s. People want to be excited about it, they really do.

    In China and Russia it’s just the sequel to that supremely forgettable film ‘The Force Awakens’. In the Chinese trailer they even have clips from TFA to remind the Chinese audience what’s going on.

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  171. Altai says:
    @Empty Name Here
    Contrary to some of the comments that I agree with in part, I think Disney was very calculating in making the Asian love interest of the African a below a 5 in looks. Hollywood got away with White/African miscegenation moments because the female was always deficient in some way, viz. Hitch, The Long Kiss Goodnight, Cruel Intentions, Save the Last Dance, or Traffic. She had to be a little brown, or crazy, or too young or naive, or a drug addict to go there.

    Julia Roberts wanted to have a kiss with Denzel in "The Pelican Brief," to be the first to break the line, but Hollywood put the kibosh on that happening in a marquee property.

    Disney knew the Chinese would riot if their equivalent of Margot Robbie or Charlize Theron jumped on Boyega, so they threw that lumpy girl on the grenade.

    Disney knew the Chinese would riot if their equivalent of Margot Robbie or Charlize Theron jumped on Boyega, so they threw that lumpy girl on the grenade.

    She jumped on Will Smith. Onscreen and (Allegedly) in real life.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_(2015_film)

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  172. Twinkie says:
    @syonredux

    John Boyega plays a sort of Everyman character (though weren’t storm troopers supposed to be clones?),
     
    I think that clones were just used in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. They were a secret army that Palpatine had assembled in a covert location. After he became Emperor, he just recruited/conscripted people.

    The storm troopers in the last two films are grown-up child soldiers (taken from their families, indoctrinated from a young age, etc)

    The storm troopers in the last two films are grown-up child soldiers (taken from their families, indoctrinated from a young age, etc)

    Janissaries.

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  173. @Neoconned
    I enjoyed it as a pure popcorn flick....but I went in w really low expectations.

    Disney is going to be doing a lot of marketing studying though over the next year trying to figure out how to get the Chinese to buy movie tickets.

    Disney is going to be doing a lot of marketing studying though over the next year trying to figure out how to get the Chinese to buy movie tickets.

    Disney is not going to like what their marketing department is going to find out about the Chinese market

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  174. Kaz says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    Photo of Dakota Johnson on the set of 50 Shades.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Dakota_Johnson_2014_%28cropped%29.jpg

    Here she is full-frontal bikini, April 2017

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/04/21/3EF03B0600000578-4380026-Seen_while_drenched_Meanwhile_the_bottoms_featured_a_black_waist-a-105_1491336386943.jpg

    Call me a prudish, uptight, Bible-thumping, stick-in-the-mud but I think movies about sex should star sexy people!

    Back when I thought Joss Whedon was cool, I remember being impressed by how much obvious physical work the cast of Serenity had put into making themselves look good for the less forgiving movie cameras. As I recall too, the film was mostly a labor of love that would not and did not make much money outside the Firefly fanbase.

    Along those lines, it would have been nice if Marlon Brando had showed up for Apocalypse Now looking more like a Green Beret lieutenant-colonel than like a retired actor.

    That movie is not for you. It’s for women to self-insert into. Shades isn’t supposed to be a movie that hits wide demographic.

    Stars Wars is.

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  175. Art says:

    My personal favorite Chinese move is “House of the Flying Daggers.”

    The cinematograph was excellent. The colors invigorating, the topography visually stunning, the depiction of nature’s brilliance stimulating.

    But the best part of the film was the physical beauty of all the characters. The lead male and female actors did not look Chinese or Asian or European – they were just beautifully human. The story was very much Chinese – but the sentiments expressed by the actors were very human and easy to interpret.

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  176. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @The Z Blog
    My theory on this is that the arrival of the SJW is a lagging indicator. It signals that the smart money has left the business or industry. Cable cutting, digital distribution are changing habits are sucking the profits from movie making. The days of getting rich making video entertainment is probably over, so the serious people are going elsewhere. That leaves the loonies middle-manager types in charge and they get run over by the SJW's. Then comes the collapse.

    Fan-made movies are the future. The big studios are on their way out. The collapsing price of computing power is the reason. There are already some really impressive Star Wars tribute films on Youtube. So far mostly shorts, a few minutes long, but it’s only a matter of time before the amateurs come up with the real deal.

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  177. BB753 says:
    @Truth

    you just never know.
     
    You've spent enough money on game seminars, Bro., maybe you should find out.

    Lol, I’m no pretend pick-up artist. Though I do read Heartiste and sometimes Roosh. But I don’t think they have many insights about lesbians. Probably nobody has ever bothered to study them seriously. To be honest, lesbians are totally uninteresting.

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    http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/can-a-guy-game-lesbians-vt54974.html
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  178. @Jim Don Bob

    NOBODY who isn’t a teenager looking to …have some fun in the dark…wants to go to a crappy overpriced movie theater .
     
    I checked prices to go see Dunkirk at the local theater. The senior rate was almost $12 for an 11am showing. I don't think so. I will wait for Redbox.

    Movie ticket prices have shot up the last couple of years, especially in theaters that have invested in huge leather recliners for patrons.

    It’s kind of like the Cleveland Indians ballpark is now half as large as in the old days when the previous Mistake on the Lake had a capacity of 73,000. But the latest shrinking of 1990s ballpark is much more comfortable.

    The movie business does best in recession years like 2002 and 2009.

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  179. Whoever says: • Website

    Not really clear on the differences between Star Wars and Star Trek since I’ve never seen any of those movies, but I think if they made a movie like this, I’d watch it. Of course, there’s no chance anyone could get away with this today. It’s far too … well, just far too too!

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  180. Truth says:
    @BB753
    Lol, I'm no pretend pick-up artist. Though I do read Heartiste and sometimes Roosh. But I don't think they have many insights about lesbians. Probably nobody has ever bothered to study them seriously. To be honest, lesbians are totally uninteresting.
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  181. iffen says:
    @James Kabala
    Were the actors in the original trilogy that attractive? I guess they were attractive enough, but never really considered sex symbols (except maybe Billy Dee Williams who was not in the first movie).

    Didn’t Chewbacca inspire an entirely new sex perversion genre called furries?

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  182. Allen says:
    @neutral
    I wish that Unz.com found a Chinese equivalent as Karlin is for Russia, I guess this might not be hard because of the censorship in PRC and those that leave the mainland often become so called "bananas", but surely there must be someone out there to write honestly on such things. Specifically the issue that can never be mentioned in the mainstream, the issue of an African and Asian female love interest, and Boyega being so prominent on the movie poster, did this really destroy movie going numbers or not?

    I also need to raise an issue why this movie is so radically different compared to the others, and upset even the apolitical fans that are not generally interested in getting involved in SJW vs altright culture fights. In TLJ they basically killed off the Skywalkers, this family was the core to all the previous movies, it was expected that Rey was the daughter of Luke Skywalker and that he had good reasons to hide her, this fan theory however was not true and the absolutely cold manner and how they simply erased the Skywalkers was a hit hard for those that are into Star Wars lore.

    The real problem with Last Jedi is that Star Wars is actually a very simple fairy tale about good and evil. Anakin does evil, rejects the wisdom of his elders, and suffers. Luke does good, follows the wisdom of his elders, and is rewarded. Luke’s goodness saves his father and they all live happily ever after. Even the “dark” Empire Strikes Back was in the same moral universe. This is simple stuff but very powerful and represents truths most cultures have recognized.

    The current movie (and Rogue One) wants to muddy the water. Luke, Han, and Leia did good but only received suffering. Rey rejects the wisdom of her elders and is rewarded. Her elders in fact decide they too should reject what they once believed. No one gets to live happily ever after. The empire gets defeated but rises again a few decades later with the same costumes. The Jedi get rebuilt only to be destroyed and Luke decide it was a good thing they were destroyed.

    None of this is what audiences signed up for. Force Awakens wasn’t a very good movie but it at least gave audiences the good and evil fairy tale the franchise promised. Force Awakens felt like a slavish love letter to the original trilogy but Last Jedi felt like it was enjoying ripping apart the story and morals of the original films. And that’s not even getting into the basic plot problems the film has. Who is Snoke? What is the First Order? How did the Republic lose so much power after seeming to be in control at the end of Jedi? The original films left you with questions about the Star Wars world, but ir never left you wondering about basic plot points.

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    The problem is not necessarily that the new movies did away with the simple but powerful moral message of the original and prequel trilogies. I actually was hoping for something like that to happen already in the prequel trilogy. The only half plausible course of Anakin turning to the Dark Side was that the Empire or the Dark Side weren’t absolutely evil, instead, there was something good in it, or at least something that looked good for someone naive enough. Something like Communism or Nazism. Of course the prequels didn’t show anything like that, which is one reason why it was so difficult to take them seriously.

    The problem is that if you want to muddy the waters by making the characters and their ideas morally ambiguous, you need to do it in a way that makes sense. Such a story appeals less to children (though it’s not impossible to make something which is both intelligent and has enough action with a young man as a hero and a love story to have sufficient appeal to all age groups), but it’s only appealing to grownups if it’s a sensible story. By leaving large holes in the plot, and illogically contradicting everything in the previous movies, it just doesn’t make sense as a story. All you’re left with is the CGI and nostalgia, which has so far not been enough for me to pay for TFA or TLJ. The incredibly stupid (even by the low standards of the original trilogy) plot turned me off.

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  184. el topo says:
    @Allen
    50 Shades was feminist? I have never and will never watch that movie, but I thought it was all about a girl discovering she enjoyed being physically/sexually dominated by a handsome wealthy guy. I'm not really seeing the feminist empowerment angle here.

    As an innocent virginal heroine, she gets swept off her feet by the handsome super-rich guy, but soon she sets about taming him, asserting herself against his attempts to set the conditions of their sexual relationship, and ultimately becoming a strong woman able to uncover the wounded boy underneath the kinky billionaire.

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  185. Gorgar says:

    The Chinese do not like having to pay to look at black people.

    They do not like looking at them for free, either.

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  186. BB753 says:
    @Truth
    Did a little research for you, Bro.

    http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/can-a-guy-game-lesbians-vt54974.html

    Picking up lesbians is really scraping the bottom of the barrel, bro!

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  187. BB753 says:
    @Anonym
    Who pursued who? If there is a physically unattractive person in a pairing, a good rule of thumb seems to be that the less attractive was the pursuer and the more attractive one was the pursuee. (Exceptions would exist for billionaires, famous people and suchlike.)

    It was a mutual thing. And there weren’t that many other lesbians around when they first met. The ugly Hawaiian girl was lucky, I guess, in being the first young lesbian the pretty girl met (pretty for a lesbian, that is).

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  188. @Allen
    The real problem with Last Jedi is that Star Wars is actually a very simple fairy tale about good and evil. Anakin does evil, rejects the wisdom of his elders, and suffers. Luke does good, follows the wisdom of his elders, and is rewarded. Luke's goodness saves his father and they all live happily ever after. Even the "dark" Empire Strikes Back was in the same moral universe. This is simple stuff but very powerful and represents truths most cultures have recognized.

    The current movie (and Rogue One) wants to muddy the water. Luke, Han, and Leia did good but only received suffering. Rey rejects the wisdom of her elders and is rewarded. Her elders in fact decide they too should reject what they once believed. No one gets to live happily ever after. The empire gets defeated but rises again a few decades later with the same costumes. The Jedi get rebuilt only to be destroyed and Luke decide it was a good thing they were destroyed.

    None of this is what audiences signed up for. Force Awakens wasn't a very good movie but it at least gave audiences the good and evil fairy tale the franchise promised. Force Awakens felt like a slavish love letter to the original trilogy but Last Jedi felt like it was enjoying ripping apart the story and morals of the original films. And that's not even getting into the basic plot problems the film has. Who is Snoke? What is the First Order? How did the Republic lose so much power after seeming to be in control at the end of Jedi? The original films left you with questions about the Star Wars world, but ir never left you wondering about basic plot points.

    The problem is not necessarily that the new movies did away with the simple but powerful moral message of the original and prequel trilogies. I actually was hoping for something like that to happen already in the prequel trilogy. The only half plausible course of Anakin turning to the Dark Side was that the Empire or the Dark Side weren’t absolutely evil, instead, there was something good in it, or at least something that looked good for someone naive enough. Something like Communism or Nazism. Of course the prequels didn’t show anything like that, which is one reason why it was so difficult to take them seriously.

    The problem is that if you want to muddy the waters by making the characters and their ideas morally ambiguous, you need to do it in a way that makes sense. Such a story appeals less to children (though it’s not impossible to make something which is both intelligent and has enough action with a young man as a hero and a love story to have sufficient appeal to all age groups), but it’s only appealing to grownups if it’s a sensible story. By leaving large holes in the plot, and illogically contradicting everything in the previous movies, it just doesn’t make sense as a story. All you’re left with is the CGI and nostalgia, which has so far not been enough for me to pay for TFA or TLJ. The incredibly stupid (even by the low standards of the original trilogy) plot turned me off.

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  189. @Jim Don Bob

    NOBODY who isn’t a teenager looking to …have some fun in the dark…wants to go to a crappy overpriced movie theater .
     
    I checked prices to go see Dunkirk at the local theater. The senior rate was almost $12 for an 11am showing. I don't think so. I will wait for Redbox.

    I told this story to one of my coffee buddies this am; she said her friend got popcorn and a coke after paying $12 to get into the theater – $9+ each! You can buy the DVD for less than that.

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  190. SOL says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2018/01/06/4-key-reasons-why-star-wars-the-last-jedi-is-a-catastrophic-flop-in-china/

    This Forbes article summarises the underperformance due to:

    1) The new movies being heavily dependent on canon from the previous movies which the Chinese missed the first time.

    2) The swordplay is very dull. Hard to argue with that. Just another example of Disney mindlessly following the original trilogy.

    3) Unlike Michael Bay and James Cameron's movies, the new movies are visually boring with a dull colour palette.

    4) Instead of sci-fi spectacle they got a lot of soap opera featuring characters from the past they do not know or care about.

    So basically none of the reasons mentioned by Steve S. From the list of complaints it looks like the colourful, fun and visually spectacular prequels would have suited Chinese tastes more. They get trashed by old fanboys about as much as Bay's movies.

    Maybe Disney should have gone ahead with Lucasfilm's original plan of re-releasing the first six movies in 3D as a way to build familiarity with the series at least in China. I guess they got so used to big Chinese grosses for the Marvel movies they reckoned they would do well regardless.

    I wonder what this means for the Rian Johnson trilogy since the whole reason for doing the new movies was to make the Chinese big Star Wars fans.

    Did you really expect Forbes to talk about racist Chinese people are? Incredible.

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  191. SOL says:
    @ebart
    When asked for comment, Margaret Cho responded, "I am horrified to learn that I tanked a major blockbuster movie, just because one of the actresses reminded people of me!"

    M Cho was cast well as an Asian butch cop in Bright. Though some may object to a Korean playing a Chinese.

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  192. SOL says:
    @gp
    "yeesh the Punisher is SJW Central" It's the series that Boredom went to die. I bailed after 3 episodes of Punisher and Hermit-Guy sitting together ruminating in the Nerd-Cave. Did they ever get out?

    Yes, they do. The series has its moments but in the end I don’t think it was worth my time. The Ben Affleck movie The Accountant or w/e was better.

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  193. @gp
    "This raises the question of how bad for business the SJW takeover of the entertainment industry is going to be." Is the SJW thing the explanation for the bad BO? Maybe that's part of it, but don't discount bad acting, bad dialogue writing, stale plotting. In 1977, the revival of the space opera genre was fresh, the writing and acting was rousing. In 2018, it's a soulless tale of tedious details.

    “Is the SJW thing the explanation for the bad BO? Maybe that’s part of it, but don’t discount bad acting, bad dialogue writing, stale plotting.”

    Isn’t bad acting, bad dialogue writing, and stale plotting the very definition of the SJW thing?

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  194. @Sinopsis
    It may just be that as the world realizes that America isn’t all that, it decides that American entertainment isn’t all that, either.

    Dangal, the Bolly wood movie, did extremely well in China in 2017, and surpassed 95% of Hollywood releases in gross take. Could be a sign of things to come.

    Well we know that isn’t it. Sure America has California but the rest of it pretty much is “all that.”

    Bollywood is a joke. There is no union, OSHA, or EPA to drive production cost up. That $300million would have been a money loser in the USA. Clean drinking water isn’t cheap.

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  195. @Tiny Duck
    Sorry. Most people LOVE the new and improved Star Wars.

    This is because it reflects the truth which is that women and People of Color are in a struggle against white Christian males to make the world a better place

    Diversity is the future. As Leonard Pitts says embrace it or be miserable

    How are people of color trying to make the world better and how are white Christian men stopping them? Do PoC have meetings where they sit around talking about cancer being cured while white guys go to church and plot ways to make the world worse?

    Lacking facts, Your entire statement sounds like bullying bigotry. I hope I’m mistaken.

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  196. It’s a dumb movie, and casting and Asian girl with an ugly black guy is an insult in China

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  197. Hawg says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2018/01/06/4-key-reasons-why-star-wars-the-last-jedi-is-a-catastrophic-flop-in-china/

    This Forbes article summarises the underperformance due to:

    1) The new movies being heavily dependent on canon from the previous movies which the Chinese missed the first time.

    2) The swordplay is very dull. Hard to argue with that. Just another example of Disney mindlessly following the original trilogy.

    3) Unlike Michael Bay and James Cameron's movies, the new movies are visually boring with a dull colour palette.

    4) Instead of sci-fi spectacle they got a lot of soap opera featuring characters from the past they do not know or care about.

    So basically none of the reasons mentioned by Steve S. From the list of complaints it looks like the colourful, fun and visually spectacular prequels would have suited Chinese tastes more. They get trashed by old fanboys about as much as Bay's movies.

    Maybe Disney should have gone ahead with Lucasfilm's original plan of re-releasing the first six movies in 3D as a way to build familiarity with the series at least in China. I guess they got so used to big Chinese grosses for the Marvel movies they reckoned they would do well regardless.

    I wonder what this means for the Rian Johnson trilogy since the whole reason for doing the new movies was to make the Chinese big Star Wars fans.

    The swordplay is dull? The original trilogy has less than 10 minutes total, and none of it that well choreographed.

    Episode 1 had the Dual of the Fates, which is like 3 minutes.

    Clones had jango vs Obi-wan, the Arena and the finale which, while cool, had horrible choreography due to Christopher Lee being so old. Probably the most real battling of any episode.

    Sith had the incredible Grievous fight, which was like 60 seconds, a few battles with droids, a very quick Emporer battle, and then of course the Main Event, which was mostly running and jumping.

    Star Wars has NEVER been about saver fights. I’d guess all 8 episodes combined have less than 30 minutes of edited saber fighting.

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