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It’s a pretty good ad.

A reader writes:

If Bernie Sanders didn’t exist, he’d be the politician Chris Pine works for in a made-up Cameron Crowe movie about idealism and soundtracked by Boomer rock

That movie, if it existed, would get denounced by lefty internet for being too white.

From the New York Times:

The race between Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Hillary Clinton ramped up Thursday with a top Clinton ally criticizing a new Sanders ad as focused too much on white Americans.

Mr. Sanders released a 60-second commercial in Iowa on Thursday that features the Simon and Garfunkel song “America” and that seeks to remind his supporters how far he has come since declaring his candidacy. …

David Brock, a longtime Clinton supporter who founded the “super PAC” backing her, told The Associated Press on Thursday that the advertising presented a “bizarre” image of America focused on white voters. Mr. Brock also said the ad was a “significant slight to the Democratic base,” according to the news agency.

“From this ad it seems black lives don’t matter much to Bernie Sanders,” Mr. Brock told The Associated Press.

Mrs. Clinton has historically had close ties with black voters, and several polls show her with significant leads on Mr. Sanders among the black electorate.

 

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  1. I don’t get it.

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  2. So Bernie Sanders supporters are people who want to live like Scandinavians but will do and say everything they can to make their country like Brazil? White people are weird.

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  3. Didn’t know any better one would think bernie was going after the white vote.

  4. Unlikely that this will come down to a Trump versus Bernie election but if it does then Trump will get 50% of the black vote which will be much smaller than 2008 and 2012 when their zero slave blood redeemer ran.
    Seems to me there is little excitement for Hillary among the blacks and Hispanics. They will stay home on election day.

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  5. Who’da thunk that cucking for the angry negresses wouldn’t instantly endear him to colored voters.

    It did, unfortunately, have the result of permanently losing the vote of people like me who expect a presidential candidate to be assertive.

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  6. Its great for moblising his base. But his base is already hyper-mobilised. And it barely touches the loose Hilary voters, from Saginaw to the New Jersey turnpike.

    I didn’t see any of the following:

    A person with any union insignia.
    An Asian.
    A clearly poor Black person.
    A clearly gay male couple.
    An artist.
    A person on (real) disability.

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  7. Audio courtesy of Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel’s 1968 Bookends record. I love it.

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  8. Another pretty good Bernie Ad:

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  9. When I first saw it, I honestly thought it was a parody. But we are indeed beyond parody.

  10. Trump is the big boss man with bravado and bling. I predict he will be a hit with Vibrant-Americans of all colours. Alex Jones has had Trump on his show and likes him. Jones also had Louis Farrakhan on his show yesterday for an hour long interview. Is Jones attempting a “national reconciliation party” in America similar to Alain Soral and Dieudonné in France? That would be interesting. You folks are in for a crazy ride this year.

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  11. He needs to show the Mexican woman dropping a baby on US soil, then claiming her 12 weeks of paid maternity leave as promised by Bernie.

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  12. Wait, non Whites aren’t moved by Simon and Garfunkel, White farmers and general Americana?

  13. “New Sanders Ad: Bernie’s Fans Are 98% White”

    Well, I am 100% White, which probably explains why I am not a fan of Bernie—that plus the fact that he is a Socialist.

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  14. Bill Hillsman, who made the spots that helped elect Paul Wellstone and Jesse Ventura, said that he thought Reagan’s “Morning in America” was among the best political ads ever made. Of course, he didn’t vote for Ron.

    Funny, Reagan impressed me, but “Morning in America” sure did not. Taste can be unpredictable.

  15. “So Bernie Sanders supporters are people who want to live like Scandinavians but will do and say everything they can to make their country like Brazil? White people are weird.”

    You mean make this country more like Mexico. I don’t know why the hell iSteve readers are worried about The U.S turning into Brazil when Brazilians make up well below 1 percent of the U.S population.

    I bet the vast majority of iSteve readers have never even met a Brazilian upclose in person because outside of Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Florida Brazilians are almost non existent in The U.S.

    I live in the most Vibrantly DIEverse state in the country. I see Mexican flags all of the time but rarely come across a Brazilian flag.

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  16. He needs to show the Mexican woman dropping a baby on US soil…

    Betcha it won’t be in the Green Mountains.

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  17. Snarking about a mostly white ad is something garden-variety GOP hacks do. I’m sure GregGutfeld, KurtSchlichter, RedState, etc. have already started a hashtag or something. They’re helping “diversity”, but stupid jokes help them with their base. At a site like this it doesn’t matter that much, but avoiding Fox News Syndrome might be a good idea.

    On a related note, Bernie is much smarter and more aware of the problems of mass immigration than Trump and other GOP candidates; see his Vox interview.

    Despite that, illegal alien advocates were able to get Bernie to toe their lines. He even hired an illegal alien for his campaign.

    Anti-amnesty leaders didn’t even attempt to make Bernie’s campaign policies match his rhetoric. The anti-amnesty base didn’t pressure their leaders to do it.

    Bernie could have been like a non-charlatan Trump with smart, realistic, popular anti-mass immigration policies.

    Instead, because anti-amnesty leaders and the anti-amnesty base didn’t do their jobs, we’ve only got one candidate who pretends to oppose amnesty but does so using joke policies that are completely unrealistic.

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  18. Audio courtesy of Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel’s 1968 Bookends record. I love it.

    So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright” would be a much more appropriate soundtrack for Bern, Hill, Jeb, or anyone more “welcoming” than Donald.

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  19. Polls say most White Democrats prefer Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton, but the vast majority of African American and Hispanic Democrats prefer the Shiksa over the Jew.

    That is why Bernie will lose all of the Vibrantly DIEverse states in The Democratic primaries. States like Nevada are too Vato for him to win and states like South Carolina are too Dindu for him to win.

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    Good ad.

    However, it’s a bit funny. At one point in the ad, it says, ” … Bernie Sanders. A man who’s been around the block fighting for poor and working class Americans.” Yet Progressives, including many of Bernie’s supporters, mercilessly deride the poor and working class Americans who support Trump.

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  21. Bernie has been the second most anti-immigration candidate this round in either party. Of course, the dems in the media are playing that down as much as possible.

    Steve has often written about what happens if the Democratic party becomes the openly Black Party. If the Clintons manage to salvage this race in typical dirty fashion, I think we can expect a lot of the racially white, blue-to-white collar dems to stay home out of pique. Sanders has mobilized the white left very well, but has barely touched the “coalition of the ascendant” as they are so aspirationally called.

    My read? He’s one step removed from splitting the party along racial lines. The time is not yet opportune, but I suspect that whoever wins in ’16, we can expect some significant movement rightward from white democrats in 2020, like in ’80.

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  22. The music is a good 35 years out of date. Simon and Garfunkel is a nice touch for the leading edge of the baby boomers but most voters probably have never heard them. It is somewhat reminiscent of Clinton’s use of Fleetwood Mac. Based on Sanders demographic problems, he should be playing rap.

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  23. As I have noted several times on unz.com, I have been arguing for years that Blacks are the ones most severely affected by the mass immigration into the U.S. since 1965 and that Black leaders have been ill serving their constituents by not taking a stance against immigration. Thus far, Trump has been focusing his attention on “illegal immigration” (the southern wall, birthright citizenship, etc.). Perhaps there is room in the middle for a grand bargain that would utterly transform American politics and return Blacks back to voting for Republicans or at least reducing their percentage from 90% Democratic to more like 50% Democratic. I think there is a large block of Black voters out there who still cling to traditional values, which means they want jobs for their kids, a reduction in crime, and are against gay marriage, not to mention not keen on all these needless wars against countries which haven’t attacked us.

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  24. You mean make this country more like Mexico.

    No, I meant Brazil. I meant Brazil because I wished to refer to a large, New World country with a very racially mixed population with its Whites in the minority. Understand?

  25. You mean make this country more like Mexico. I don’t know why the hell iSteve readers are worried about The U.S turning into Brazil when Brazilians make up well below 1 percent of the U.S population.

    If someone tells you he has to piss like a racehorse, do you check him for a tail?

  26. Excellent counterpoint. I think you’re right sir.

  27. Bernie is the senator from Vermont, if they shot the ad in Vermont it reflects the population of Vermont…..1% black.

  28. A lot of combat sports trainers are Brazilian especially jiu jitsu guys.

  29. Snarking about a mostly white ad is something garden-variety GOP hacks do. … At a site like this it doesn’t matter that much, but avoiding Fox News Syndrome might be a good idea.

    Thanks for the advice. And if I may return the favor, next time you post spam here for your shitty blog, how about refraining from telling us how to behave or think?

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  30. The old fool is going to put his fingers in his ears and hum “Where Have All The Flowers Gone” while ignoring the existence of all minorities and the last fifty years, huh?

  31. It would be good for social harmony if Trump won with the help of a respectable percentage of the Black vote.

  32. Well, it wasn’t a mostly white ad, it was an almost all white, in fact more white than any mainstream GOP candidate would ever dare to run, ad. I’m not sure many GOP cucks would snark on it either because they insist that they never see color and they would be afraid of being called racists for noticing it. The snark will mostly be found on sites like this that are generally GOP hack-free.

    If Bernie is truly aware of the problems of mass immigration then why do his Senate votes and policies favor amnesty which leads to more mass immigration? It isn’t because anti-amnesty leaders failed to get his policies to match his rhetoric. There are zero such leaders in the Democratic party and only slightly more than zero in the Republican party. The anti-amnesty base has been pressuring their leaders but their leaders in the Republican party have accepted their votes, then blown them off . That is why Trump has done well, he is the first candidate they have had who might possibly follow through, and the extreme “unrealistic” rhetoric is how he has convinced them.

    I suspect Bernie may be aware of the problems of mass immigration but the Democratic base would never tolerate him acting on it. He probably reasons that it is unfortunate that American workers will suffer from it in the short run but it will help turn the US into a one party state like California and once Socialism is in control, somehow the problems will be corrected.

    At any rate I’m voting for the guy most likely in order of probability to do something about mass immigration. If Trump gets the nomination he gets my vote. If Bernie is nominated and runs against almost anyone but Trump I’m voting for Bernie.

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  33. The lady working on the desktop with post-its stuck to its screen at 0:08 looks like she’s either an artist or a graphic designer, and there’s an Asian lady on the lower left at 0:45.

  34. Lol somehow I don’t think Bernie is counting on too many votes from people who use the word “negress”

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  35. I suspect that, at heart, Bernie is as much a nationalist as Trump, but obviously, there’s pressure on Dems to be open borders. I wouldn’t be surprised if this ad is meant to dog whistle that Bernie has no intention of acting on open borders policies if he gets elected.

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  36. Ta-Nehisi Coates writing in The Atlantic: Why Precisely Is Bernie Sanders Against Reparations?

    Unfortunately, Sanders’s radicalism has failed in the ancient fight against white supremacy. What he proposes in lieu of reparations—job creation, investment in cities, and free higher education—is well within the Overton window, and his platform on race echoes Democratic orthodoxy. The calls for community policing, body cameras, and a voting-rights bill with pre-clearance restored— all are things that Hillary Clinton agrees with. And those positions with which she might not agree address black people not so much as a class specifically injured by white supremacy, but rather, as a group which magically suffers from disproportionate poverty.

    I wonder if Coates has heard of the Magic Dirt Theory? He appears to be trying to flip it on it’s head and say that race realism is the Magic Group Theory.

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  37. I suspect that, at heart, Bernie is as much a nationalist as Trump

    Bernie Sanders views on Whiteness and nationalism are probably as complex and contradictory as Rock Hudson’s views on masculinity.

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    Is there any significant indication that Sanders is anti-immigration? I haven’t heard him put forth any policy proposals. He hasn’t said anything about putting up a wall to stop immigration or deportations or anything else.

  39. we’ve only got one candidate who pretends to oppose amnesty but does so using joke policies that are completely unrealistic.

    No, it’s just that you don’t understand the way Trump negotiates.

    It’s obvious that you wanted to be the one leading this parade, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. Move on.

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  40. Maybe they should change the name to the White Mountains

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    Where is the evidence that he’s a nationalist? He has communist links for crying out loud and supported the Sandinistas.

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  42. Daniel Williams (real identity unknown as of now) says: “And if I may return the favor, next time you post spam here for your shitty blog, how about refraining from telling us how to behave or think?”

    I don’t run a “blog”, it’s chock full of info that amnesty opponents can use to achieve their goals, and I don’t post spam.

    Instead of lies and personal smears hiding being a fake name, let’s put it to the test!

    Post an example of anything backing up your claim, and explain how it matches your description. Also tell us why you’re in effect helping SJWs and the pro-amnesty folks.

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  43. I’m struck by the stridently anti-gun position Hillary has taken in this primary. I recall that Bill Clinton and Al Gore decided long ago that this issue is a loser for Democrats running nationally. An article titled “Bill Clinton Warns Democrats Against Overreaching On Gun Debate” describes points Clinton made to a meeting of Democrat donors in January 2013:

    While some polls show that the public by-and-large supports several proposals for increased gun control, Clinton said that it’s not the public support that matters — it’s how strongly people feel about the issue.

    “All these polls that you see saying the public is for us on all these issues — they are meaningless if they’re not voting issues,” Clinton said.

    Clinton recalled Al Gore’s 2000 campaign against George W. Bush in Colorado, where a referendum designed to close the so-called gun show loophole shared the ballot with the presidential ticket. Gore publicly backed the proposal, while Bush opposed it.

    Though the referendum passed with 70 percent of the vote, Gore lost the state. Clinton said that the reason was because a good chunk of the referendum’s opponents were single-issue voters who automatically rejected Gore as anti-gun.

    And Clinton said that passing the 1994 federal assault weapons ban “devastated” more than a dozen Democratic lawmakers in the 1994 midterms — and cost then-Speaker of the House Tom Foley (D-Wash.) his job and his seat in Congress.

    Yet Hillary accuses Sanders, who has a D- from the NRA, of being too pro-gun. Obama has been the most anti-gun president in history, yet his position is still too soft for Hillary. She supports legislation making firearms manufacturers liable when people misuse their products, which essentially means putting them all out of business. So when it comes to guns, Hillary is a prohibitionist. She must figure the country has swung far enough demographically for her extreme position to be electable. Or maybe she’s just so fond of being strident she doesn’t care.

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  44. No, it’s just that you don’t understand the way Trump negotiates.

    Trump isn’t dumb enough to negotiate business deals in the way he “negotiates” his policy demands. If you want $1 mil, you ask for $2 mil. You don’t ask to sleep with the boss’ daughter. Proposing to keep out one specific religion plays with mouthbreathers, but few Dems and Inds are going to support it. Trump could come back with a lesser demand, but his initial demands will always hurt him with many voters.

    It’s obvious that you wanted to be the one leading this parade, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. Move on.

    Yet another counter-productive (assuming you’re anti-amnesty) personal smear. I don’t want to “lead the parade”. I just want the parade leader to stop duping people like you and use a smarter route.

    Trump could use my False Compassion argument to undercut Hillary to her base. If he instead does what you want, he’ll just continue appealing to mouthbreathers. He’ll do great in Tulsa and Bimfick, Alabama, but lose big everywhere else.

    In other words, you’re part of the problem.

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  45. Brazil’s population includes substantial minorities of Africans and non-Iberian Europeans, whereas Mexico’s does not. Brazil has some geopolitical status as an also-ran global power and exercises some global cultural influence in a way that Mexico does not. These things will be true of the future United States, but they are not, have never been, and will not conceivably occur in Mexico.

  46. I don’t think he meant Brazil literally, more the idea of a very racially mixed and problematic third-world country. Brazilians who emigrate tend to be mostly white. Some, from the southernmost states of SC and RS, are even blond.

    The U.S. will not become like Brazil exactly, because of a different kind of racial cocktail, but it will be some kind of Mexico mixed with Britain, Somalia and Hong Kong.

    A caste society. An underclass of blacks, a servant class of Mexicans, a White-ish middle class formed by all kinds of White and Asian populations, and an Anglo-Jewish elite.

    Wait. We are already there, aren’t we?

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  47. A bit vapid, but heartstrings pulled. Pretty sure I saw a black guy in the ad. I think.

  48. That movie, if it existed, would get denounced by lefty internet for being too white.

    Heh. And likewise, if Trump were to run that exact same ad with only the name on all the banners changed, he’d get denounced by lefty internet for being too white. Again.

    Kind of funny though. After watching that one might think they’d make great running mates, no? I’m still surprised no pundit, well Derb kind-of, sort-of has, has called out the obvious: both parties are having a Globalist v. Nationalist primary. The pendulum has swung such that the general election looks like it might go from a Globalist v. Globalist to a Nationalist v. Nationalist.

    In fact, look for Hillary to withdrawal, and Biden to be picked in a brokered convention to run as the Globalist’ wolf in Nationalist’s sheep clothing.

    You heard it here first. Well, at 28Sherman first, for those that keep up with the comments over there.

  49. It took me a while to dig this, but I think I’ve figured it out.

    When I moved to DC in 2004, Marion Barry was serving as city councilman for the 8th Ward (Anacostia / Southeast / Congress Heights, poor and black). He had already served as Mayor, been arrested and convicted for smoking crack, served as mayor again, and been detained (not arrested) for suspected cocaine use again. DC was changing, already becoming gentrified. White people with good jobs had spread beyond Georgetown and were taking over Dupont, U Street, 14th street, etc. Things were getting cleaned up

    Marion Barry was still a f–k-up, in the same way, along with his poor and violent Ward 8. He was constantly suspected of showing up at city council meetings drunk or high. In a weird way, he was a much bigger embarassment for the lib-prog power structure of DC than he was for any white conservatives who were still paying attention. Genuine conservatives might have been passively disgusted, but white liberals were really thrown off. Barry took an anti-gay marriage position. He criticized immigrants. He would make rambling speeches that seemed to preach unity, in the classic “civil rights struggle” way, but would then go off about how white people and their dogs were ruining DC. White DC liberals would basically say to poor DC blacks, “look, we understand the problems of systemic racism. We’re down for your struggle! But you can’t re-elect this fool. He has a drug problem, he might be going senile, and he doesn’t even have a good record on [take your pick ... gay marriage, environment, etc]. We agree with the need for minority representation, yada yada … but this Barry is an embarassment.”

    And Ward 8 kept re-electing him. Not in spite of the criticisms of both their political adversaries and putative political allies, but BECAUSE of them. Poor, black ghetto DC residents know they were getting squeezed. They knew there wasn’t much future for them in some parts of DC. They knew developers and local government types were getting rich in the newly-hip parts of DC and they weren’t going to see any of it. Their continued re-election of Marion Barry was a massive “f you” to everyone who tried to tell them they shouldn’t be voting for him. Again, not just the conversatives (honestly, there really aren’t any in DC local government), but to the do-gooder liberals who really couldn’t or wouldn’t do anything to stop what DC was becoming, but who would at least talk about being down with the struggle. Who would at least name a street after Sister Nannie Helen Burroughs (don’t ask). The fact that white liberals were embarassed by the continued re-election of this crack-smoking gay marriage-hater was exactly the point.

    So what does this have to do with anything? Simple. Donald Trump is the Marion Barry of poor and middle class White America. Not only are snotty liberals critical and vaguely scared of him, but conservative power brokers are horrified. “Look,” they say. “We understand your frustration. We hate them lib’ruls too! We agree with you! But you can’t elect this guy. He’s crazy. He’s going to hurt out party.” And white America is supporting Trump not in spite of the warnings of our alleged political allies and representatives, but because of their warnings. Like DC blacks looking at white liberals who want to make a big deal about white privilege and the ugly history of racism, but then gentrify Logan Circle and pocket millions of dollars, we finally see “conservative” politicians for what they really are.

    To conclude the analogy, does that mean that our future in America is like that of poor illiterate blacks in gentrified DC? Maybe. Right now, at least, they’re making it uncomfortable for their liberal frenemies on Capitol Hill and Barracks Row, if Steve’s recent crime wave posts are any indication.

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  50. The only evidence Bernie might be okay on immigration is one snippet of a Vox interview. Compared to the entirety of his record, in which he is completely open borders, and was rated a 0% by FAIR, a border security group, and gets a D- from NumbersUSA.

    Anyone voting for Bernie thinking he’ll do something about immigration: Find a better source than Vox. Or just look at his voting record, and every other interview he’s ever given. He’s open borders.

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  51. She must figure the country has swung far enough demographically for her extreme position to be electable.

    Total prohibition of firearms for people of color is not an extreme position, but a traditional American one. It’s extending it to white men that makes it extreme.

    Someone should point that out at one of her rallies.

  52. Anyone voting for Bernie thinking he’ll do something about immigration: Find a better source than Vox. Or just look at his voting record, and every other interview he’s ever given. He’s open borders.

    Somebody has to get credit for keeping diversity out of Vermont. It isn’t Bernie, but who?

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  53. Marion Barry was still a f–k-up, in the same way, along with his poor and violent Ward 8. He was constantly suspected of showing up at city council meetings drunk or high.

    Can you blame him? I’d have a few before sitting in on those, too.

  54. Sanders demonstrated that he really understands the immigration issue and how it hurts the American worker, but has decided to adopt the pro-illegal immigrant position because it’s better politics for him. This strips away his pretense of truth-telling and sincerity. He’s just as cynical as the rest of them.

  55. In other words, you’re part of the problem.

    I don’t think I have enough significance to be part of the problem. Like you, I’m just another guy on the internet.

  56. Yet Progressives, including many of Bernie’s supporters, mercilessly deride the poor and working class Americans who support Trump.

    Good point. I don’t think progressives like the poor at all. In fact whenever I ask a progressive why they don’t live in a more diverse area, they assure me it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact they don’t want to live among the poor.

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    The democratic socialist welfare state that Sanders promotes is incompatible with mass immigration, so I think people assume that Sanders will be against mass immigration in order to promote the democratic socialist welfare state. But democratic socialists both in the US and Europe seem to have trouble honestly reconciling with this fact and many in Europe promote mass immigration regardless. The guy famous for pointing out this fact in the US was Milton Friedman, not Sanders or another socialist.

  58. He needs to get his friend Cornell West, who still talks like people in Rudy Ray Moore/Dolemite movies, and have the Dust Brothers or Dangermaus do the ironic retro remix.

  59. OT, I guess, but wouldn’t it be great if Trump ended up with a bigger share of the white vote than Republicans in the past and a much bigger share of the black and Hispanic vote to boot! If Hillary beats out Bernie that’s what I, a lifelong Democrat, am rooting for: a fundamental realignment of American politics. And if it leaves my old party in the dust, so be it. No need to be sentimental about these things. It’s the substance, not the name, that counts.

  60. Bernie Sanders views on Whiteness and nationalism are probably as complex and contradictory as Rock Hudson’s views on masculinity.

    I’d love to see one of Bernie’s “beauties parties”. Oh, wait… Steve just posted it above.

    Hudson’s views on masculinity were quite consistent. He loved and demanded it– in others.

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  61. Uh, for the most part, its the climate. Those winters are fierce!

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  62. people probably mean the favelas and the helipads. Rio and Sao Paulo have entrenched themselves in the popular imagination as utterly dystopian hellholes in a way Mexico City hasn’t

  63. Another pretty good Bernie Ad:

    “Pretty good ads” don’t exceed the length of Harry Chapin ballads.

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    http://www.buzzfeed.com/timteeman/gore-vidal-iconic-american-author-had-way-more-sex-than-you

    Bowers introduced Vidal to Rock Hudson; the men “hit it off” and they “buddy-buddied” together as friends too. “We had three-ways just when Rock was getting started as an actor,” says Bowers. “Gore did a little bit of everything with Rock….

  65. Gun control is very popular with the Democratic base and it is the one of a few issues where Hillary’s track record is to the Left of Sanders. Hillary is basically a moderate Democrat NeoCon and her voting record is somewhat repugnant to Lefty voters. Her advisers noted this and are doubling down on this issue where she is more liberal than Bernie. Bernie is relatively less restrictive on guns because he represents Vermont a state with many blue collar and rural Whites, the gun rights base. These voters were the same reason why Bill Clinton and Gore were relatively more pro-gun. However, its not the 90′s anymore.

    Blue collar and rural White men make up a smaller slice of the electorate and many once Democrats in this demo have shifted to the Republican Party. Many simply don’t like Hillary. Obama impressively showed a new demographic path to the White House for Dems and Hillary is leaning in that direction. It’s unclear if it will work.

    Interesting how Obama needed the votes of liberal Whites in Iowa and New Hampshire to convince Southern Blacks that Obama had a chance at Presidential election and come out in force. Unfortunately, Bernie lacks any innate appeal to Blacks so his early victories will lose momentum in the South. The power of the Black vote in the Democrat primaries is another reason why Hillary is so strongly aligning herself with the Obama Administration.

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  66. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421369/bernie-sanders-national-socialism

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  67. I knew a young Brazilian around ’00 – he worked at a donut shop a block from the Berkeley campus. Very friendly, quiet, classy, understated. More or less the opposite of American blacks.

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  68. One of my favorites too. It doesn’t really fit in with the Bernie Sanders image, but what the hell….

  69. Bernie ain’t white enough for me.

    As I have noted several times on unz.com, I have been arguing for years that Blacks are the ones most severely affected by the mass immigration into the U.S. since 1965 and that Black leaders have been ill serving their constituents by not taking a stance against immigration. Thus far, Trump has been focusing his attention on “illegal immigration” (the southern wall, birthright citizenship, etc.). Perhaps there is room in the middle for a grand bargain that would utterly transform American politics and return Blacks back to voting for Republicans or at least reducing their percentage from 90% Democratic to more like 50% Democratic. I think there is a large block of Black voters out there who still cling to traditional values, which means they want jobs for their kids, a reduction in crime, and are against gay marriage, not to mention not keen on all these needless wars against countries which haven’t attacked us.

    There’s room, but the Black “leadership” stands in the way. They like their “take this and keep your mouth shut on open borders” bribes and favors.

    I’m struck by the stridently anti-gun position Hillary has taken in this primary. I recall that Bill Clinton and Al Gore decided long ago that this issue is a loser for Democrats running nationally.

    Same here. Maybe she figures she can draft off of the Hussein administration on this issue through the primary, then drop the issue in the general.

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  70. Bernie Sanders supporters aren’t importing huge amounts of foreign labor.

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  71. After Trump, Sanders is easily the next best person in this race. Other than on immigration, I don’t see what’s wrong with Sanders.

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  72. Uh, for the most part, its the climate. Those winters are fierce!

    Minnesota’s are worst than Vermont’s. And seven or eight Canadian provinces, as well.

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  73. I haven’t seen Sanders deride working class people who support Trump.

  74. The U.S. will not become like Brazil exactly…

    …because the Brazilians have a single language, and a sensible immigration policy.

  75. Sanders moved to Vermont so he could avoid the demographics most likely to be rap fans.

  76. Bernie Sanders supporters aren’t importing huge amounts of foreign labor.

    No. They’re making it easier for others to.

    It’s called “enabling”.

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  77. The difference is that many of Trump’s policies (anti-immigration, trade protectionism, non-interventionist foreign policy) would be good for his voters. They’d also be good for his non-voters too. Other than oligarchs, almost all Americans would benefit from his policies.

    Also, Trump actually has a history of getting business accomplished.

  78. Gun control is very popular with the Democratic base…

    …because they have over 200 years of experience living among blacks. Let’s admit this, and get it out front.

    Her advisers noted this and are doubling down on this issue where she is more liberal than Bernie.

    She’s not more “liberal”, she’s more authoritarian.

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  79. I’m struck by the stridently anti-gun position Hillary has taken in this primary.

    Big donors (D and R alike) love control. Birth control, gun control, speech control, what have you. This is a play for both their money (D and disenchanted R alike) and the wedge it drives into any conceivable opposing coalition.

    People who care about gun rights aren’t voting for Hillary anyway.

  80. because they have over 200 years of experience living among blacks.

    Most Progressive (sic) policies (abortion, gun control, open borders) are about controlling blacks without having to talk about controlling blacks.

  81. I don’t think they’re doing that either.

    The people who’ve pushed mass immigration since the 70s have been oligarchic business interests (financiers, real estate developers, construction magnates, agribusiness, Silicon Valley). These interests dominate both parties. It’s their fault that our demographics have changed so much since then.

    The state most ruined by immigration hasn’t been Ben&Jerry’s Vermont, but the once solidly Republican California of Reagan and Nixon. Pro-business conservatives have played a huge role in destroying this country and it’s ridiculous that they’re hardly ever held accountable.

    By the way, the 1986 amnesty was opposed by the majority of Democrats and supported by the majority of Republicans.

    While I don’t completely agree with Sanders on immigration (he’s better than a typical Democrat though), the traitors that have most ruined our country are Republicans (Reagan-Bush-W, Boehner, Ryan, Gingrich, neoconservatives, Wall Street Journal) and “centrist Democrats” (most notably the Clintons). The old left wasn’t nearly as pro-globalization as what we’ve seen from mainstream politicians in the last 35-40 years.

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  82. At 07 seconds is that a Canadian flag flying ?

    About time that the states rejected Kenyan domination and accepted your destiny as a Canadian vassal state. The choice is between Saunders and Cruz.

  83. I’m glad you’re discussing this ad here, because I didn’t have the patience to go through all the comments on Dilbert. As mentioned in the David Bowie memorial thread, Bowie opened the 9/11 concert with this same song: http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/276934/david-bowie-911-concert-video/ .

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  84. Dems like Hillary or Bernie or Al Gore don’t have any experience with Blacks other than TV and movies. Don’t live with or near them. Gun control is all about taking White mens guns while keaving Black criminals amply armed. As it is in Europe with Muslims. Amply armed with AK 47s.

    Gun cintrol is just more Get Whitey for Black and GoodWhite voters. That’s it.

    And if you are an ordinary White person, Bernie hates you. That’s who he is and who his GoidWhite people are.

  85. “After Trump, Sanders is easily the next best person in this race. Other than on immigration, I don’t see what’s wrong with Sanders.”

    I don’t know what to make of someone who sees nothing wrong with having a Socialist for President whose policies are likely to bankrupt the country. You must be really happy with Barack Obama. If Sanders weren’t Jewish, would you be as enthusiastic for him? Just because he has chosen to live in a virtually all-white state is hardly reason to want him as your President.

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  86. I have met a number of Brazilians in America, but never a black one.

    Funny thing about Brazil: the country is ~48% white, but if you look at footage of rock concerts there (you can find a Killers concert from 2012 that’s pretty good), it looks more like Bernie’s ad. I saw The Cult in Rio once and it was like that too.

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  87. And Paul Simon opened the first SNL after 9/11 with The Boxer. Both sings fit the moment. America works well in the upbeat Bernie ad too, because it skips the dark part of the song.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Hillary has just commissioned an ad with The Boxer as the track.

  88. Coates is a member of what Steve Sailer called the “shallow state.” He’s being deployed to energize black voters against Sanders. Clinton’s people need blacks to win the Democratic primary.

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  89. Look in the favelas.

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  90. excellent!!!

  91. “Socialism” is a scare word at this point. Every first world country, including ours, combines elements of socialism and capitalism. Bernie’s ideal seems to be Northern European social democracies rather than more faithfully socialist and moribund third world countries like Venezuela.

    In any case, if W. and Obama haven’t bankrupted America yet, what are the odds Bernie would?

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  92. They actually have guided tours of them. My friend and an RAF pilot we ran into there went on one. I passed and went to the mall.

  93. I’m struck by the stridently anti-gun position Hillary has taken in this primary. I recall that Bill Clinton and Al Gore decided long ago that this issue is a loser for Democrats running nationally.

    My take is that Hillary and her strategists see women as their core voters. So they will cater to them above all others. Thus the strident anti-gun position. They are also banking on some more mass killings here by white guys.
    Wearing those lesbianish pantsuits is also a signal that, “I don’t need men to get elected”

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  94. classic economic lefties / socialists are often the least antiracist guys. The same with german politicians Sahra Wagenknecht and Oscar Lafontaine. I love how in this video there are no black males, only black females, I couldn´t imagine a mainstream democratic or republican add with this symbolic language.

  95. Once the Hillbot goes black, Bernie can’t get it back.

  96. What’s to get. It’s Bernie surrounded by ecstatic people, mostly white with a smattering of diversity to keep the SJWs at bay, lots of flag waving, and a once popular song that might be interpreted as patriotic. Pretty standard campaign ad formula.

  97. If they had been lily white feminists my respect for him would have dropped by the sane extent.

  98. “The power of the Black vote in the Democrat primaries is another reason why Hillary is so strongly aligning herself with the Obama Administration.”

    I assume that Hillary’s aligning herself with the Obama Administration because she’s hoping for a pardon.

    Funny that after decades of chasing down one Clinton scandal after another it all comes down to an email scandal, very late in Hillary’s political career.

  99. What confounds me a bit is that many of the establishment attacking Ted Cruz, to the point of preferring a Trump nomination over Cruz.

    My suspicion is that if they can’t have Rubio or Bush as their nominee they’d prefer Hillary Clinton to win, and they need a Republican nominee who would lose in that match-up. Whatever poll ratings may show at present, I think Cruz ultimately has a better shot at winning than Trump does.

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  100. The Republican Party in my mostly Democrat area does include several prominent Blacks among its leadership. The reasons are as you mention. I know some of them on at most a howdy-do basis, but I know my local area very well. I’ll guess that local Republican Blacks are privately revolted by the Democrats’ timeworn skin game politics, and by the popularization of some of the worst aspects of Black culture. They’re the old-fashioned black bourgeoisie. Yeah, I’d guess Trump has a better chance with quietly disaffected Democrat Blacks who want an affirmative reason to vote Republican.

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  101. Regarding Brazil and America, what the two have in common is that they are closest to each other in terms of white percentages in both countries. America is a little bit above 50% white (I exclude MENA and Mexican types that others sometimes include as white) and Brazil is about 40% white. The non white parts are obviously less similar, in Brazil the non whites are largely African descended and in America its not as many African descended.

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  102. “Cucking for the angry negresses”? Meaning that Bernie is sleeping with men other than the angry negresses husbands on their behalf?

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  103. I would think there is less pressure on Bernie than other dems. He ran as on the Socialist party until recently and he isn’t dependent on the donations of the big corporations to much extent.

    He really could go strong on this issue and win. Now the dems are being the stupid party.

  104. I think Cruz would lose in a general election, and Trump would have a great chance of winning.

    The reason being Cruz markets himself as a “True Conservative” and “Evangelical” and as such only appeals to those groups. His support is highly concentrated among people who identify as “Very Conservative”

    Trump, on the other hand, has wider appeal. Does about as well with moderates as he does with “Very Conservative” voters. Its actually quite amazing.

    Why that matters is Cruz can’t carry swing states. Trump can, especially in the Northeast and Rust Belt. He could even make New York a good show.

    I think, quite honestly, that Democrats are silently terrified of running against Trump. They’d like to see Cruz get nominated.

  105. What confounds me a bit is that many of the establishment attacking Ted Cruz, to the point of preferring a Trump nomination over Cruz.

    It’s temporary. They want Trump to knock Cruz out because if Cruz gets past Trump they won’t be able to take down Cruz. They are still sure that they can ultimately take down Trump with one of the waterboys if Cruz is out of the picture.

  106. “Same here. Maybe she figures she can draft off of the Hussein administration on this issue through the primary, then drop the issue in the general.”

    I believe that’s her plan. She’ll do with gun control what Romney did with immigration restriction. Except that Hillary would really like to implement gun control, whereas Romney had no intention of doing anything about immigration. The DNC has scheduled the debates so as to make them invisible. In effect, the DNC is saying: Yes, we had debates. Now shut up and vote for Hillary. And anyway, the swing voters, who mostly decide the election in November, aren’t even paying attention to the campaign now.

  107. Bernie is weak. No real backbone. When the Black Lives Matter girls took over his microphone, it ruined any illusion that he could maintain law and order. If he can’t do it on his own stage, how can he do it for America?

    He’s also essentially Occupy Wall St., the candidate. Legitimate complaints, wrong solutions. His obsession with Glass-Steagal for insistence is odd, given his complete ignorance to the American Dream Downpayment Act and Community Reinvestment Act.

  108. Those are next door in New Hampshire.

  109. Leftist conservative [AKA "bow down before me"]
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    What confounds me a bit is that many of the establishment attacking Ted Cruz, to the point of preferring a Trump nomination over Cruz.

    My suspicion is that if they can’t have Rubio or Bush as their nominee they’d prefer Hillary Clinton to win, and they need a Republican nominee who would lose in that match-up. Whatever poll ratings may show at present, I think Cruz ultimately has a better shot at winning than Trump does

    .

    It is reverse psychology. The Establishment knows that the voters are trying to strike back the Establishment, so now the Establishment (and its lapdog media) are trying to portray Trump as the Establishment choice and Cruz as a rebel.

    it won’t work!

  110. ““Socialism” is a scare word at this point. Every first world country, including ours, combines elements of socialism and capitalism. Bernie’s ideal seems to be Northern European social democracies rather than more faithfully socialist and moribund third world countries like Venezuela.”

    And that is incompatible with our national demographics. The only kind of socialism we are likely to get is the Venezuelan kind.

    Sanders would probably like to start any number of new entitlements, including a full free-ride college education for every 18 year old. That would be an egregious waste of money, in addition to being financially ruinous. I would also expect Sanders to push mandatory office-holding for women – in government, academia, private sector management, etc., just as european socialists do.

    And he’s not going to restrict immigration. Not one little bit. He hasn’t done anything in the Senate to indicate that he would.

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  111. The ironic thing about Bernie’s candidacy is that the politics might work if the demographic was 98% white and I personally wouldn’t mind voting for him if that were the case. But reality is that once you include the ethnics in the equation you are bled dry by the neediness of those communities. Watching this ad kinda makes me want to live in that world with Bernie but unfortunately this country has become something quite different from what is depicted here.

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  112. No Gimme Girl infrastructure. The largest city, Burlington (pop. 42,211) is a minor hamlet in just about any other state. I remember Julian May’s definition of social services in northern New England in one of her novels: Low cost, no frills, and the Devil take the hindmost. Welfare is a bus ticket to Boston.

    Left to their own devices, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine would have remained 99% white hunting, fishing, skiing and boating destinations. Foreign influx (Massholes in ME and NH, Noo Yawkers in VT) bring the very same idiocies to their new homes that made them leave the old ones in the first place!

  113. Only tangentially related, but a subject right up iSteve’s alley is this:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/63067-drakes-hotline-bling-video-turned-into-amazing-psa-by-the-philadelphia-police-department/

    It’s a manifestation of an issue that has arisen in the last few years as Philadelphia (where I grew up) has both tipped over the demographic edge to be both majority black and have Hipsters gentrifying what were previously blue collar white neighborhoods. Hipster gentrification and Section 8 have “diversified” what were formerly lower middle class but stable neighborhoods.

    Neighborhoods have gone from what were essentially ethnically homogeneous and discrete villages within a larger City where everyone identified primarily with their Roman Catholic parish, had multiple relatives living within blocks (or on the same block), etc. to a modern atomized anonymous urban space.

    Twenty or thirty years ago, when you shoveled out your parking spot on the street the effort was respected. Commonly a lawn chair would be placed in the spot to mark it. Essentially an extralegal property right inhered in the space when labor was expended to clear it that expired when the snow melted or another snow storm rolled in.

    A capricious breach of the property right was enforced primarily by way of shaming, but fisticuffs were always possible if rarely necessary.

    Now it appears that the incidence of police involvement in disputes over shoveled out parking spaces are a serious drain on police resources. The old order has given way to opportunists squatting in dug out spots and free-riding, and then a high rate of physical conflict and retributive property crime (keying cars, flattening tires, etc.). Police are simply not equipped to mediate a conflict regarding a non-existent (or extra-legal) interest in public property – the laws simply don’t work, so the City takes the #nosavesies position and prohibits the old system with no workable replacement. A small dose of anarcho-tyranny ensues.

    Diversity/atomization + proximity = conflict.

  114. Never discount petty personal grievances and self-interest. Cruz is both not one of the cool kids (because he wouldn’t accede to the DC culture where the GOP is supposed to tacitly accept its role as the Washington Generals of politics) and a danger to the livelihood of the political class that sells its wares to the institutional GOP. I think Tucker Carlson was essentially correct (and a data point further giving evidence to Moldbug’s thesis) when he observed that the Democrats’ political class is to the left of its voters, and the GOP’s political class hates and is embarrassed by its voters. They tolerate expressions of middle class core white American values only insofar as they can be the bait in a bait and switch scheme. No one who gets to Washington is supposed to actually believe this vulgar stuff – i.e. that homosexuality is sinful and disordered and should not be solemnized by government – and it is most certainly not supposed to find expression in policy. This would explain why the GOP has only had success in preserving the status quo as to top marginal income tax rates (though they recently failed at that). For all of his smarmy, unctuous delivery and awkwardness I have the suspicion that Cruz might actually believe what he says and plan to implement it. A Cruz candidacy (if not a Cruz Presidency) would seriously impair the market for the extant consultant class.

  115. RE: Black anti-immigration voices,

    Makes one miss Barbara Jordan:

    Expect to continue seeing NumberUSA weigh in throughout the campaign season, arguing that current immigration levels are hurting American wages and jobs.

    The group is running an ad featuring footage of former U.S. Commission on Immigration Chairwoman, the late Barbara Jordan.

    “The commission finds no national interest in continuing to import lesser skilled and unskilled workers to complete in the most vulnerable parts of our labor force Many of out American workers do not have adequate job prospects. We should make their job easier to find employment, not harder,” Jordan says in the NumbersUSA ad, revealing the findings of the bipartisan commission some two decades ago.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/18/numbersusa-barbara-jordan-immigration-reduction-ad-run-throughout-campaign-season/

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-ghost-of-barbara-jordan/

  116. Instead of lies and personal smears hiding being a fake name [?], let’s put it to the test! Post an example of anything backing up your claim, and explain how it matches your description.

    You want proof that your blog sucks? Read it. Just click the little spam link next to what I must assume is your given name, 24AheadDotCom. (Are you one of the Savannah DotComs?)

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  117. Here is Bernie’s ad with better music: https://vimeo.com/152638496?utm_source=jolt&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Jolt01222015&utm_term=Jolt

  118. Occam’s Razor suggests they prefer Trump because they detest Cruz – like his freshman college roommate, a Hollywood screenwriter, still does.

  119. John McWhorter gives Coates’ piece a push b(l)ack: Ta-Nehisi Coates’ flawed attack on Bernie Sanders

    Coates is dismayed that nevertheless, Sanders has dismissed the idea of trying to get Congress to pass a reparations bill as futile and also “divisive.” To Coates, this means that Sanders is part of the problem that black America has had since the early 17th century.

    However, Coates’ attack on Sanders is premised on a weakness in his general take on black history, which, while charismatically expressed, is vastly oversimplified.

    (I must add that the black McWhorter is not a race realist.)

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    Bernie’s policy proposals so far consist of raising taxes and free healthcare and free college. He hasn’t proposed anything anti-immigration whether it’s a wall, deportations, a moratorium, etc.

    Countries like Norway and Finland have half the population of New York City. Even relative urban backwaters in the US like the Philadelphia and Miami metro areas have larger populations than Norway and Finland. It’s idiotic to say that they are any sort of ideal for a continent sized country with hundreds of millions in population. For all practical purposes, they’re not even countries in comparison to the US. They’re just urban areas.

  121. Bernie is no fool. He wants to win this election so he is appealing to the demographic that votes and will vote for him.

  122. There is distinct probability that half of those people are Trump voters who have not realized it yet.

  123. Just heard Limbaugh do a 5 minute bit on the Democrat Coalition of the Fringes!! Somebody must have given him a heads up about Steve. If Rush ever mentions this site by name, without a doubt it will crash the server.

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    The ad was shot in Iowa, with Iowans, to run on TV in Iowa. It’s only 3% black there.

    Should he have bussed black people in? It would have been disingenuous to showcase a wide diversity, because it isn’t diverse there. They’re making another one for New Hampshire and that one will feature people in that community.

  125. Are you trolling?

    Brazil’s population is pretty similar to the projected US demographics in 40 or 50 years.

  126. Bernie’s record against amnesty and increases in work visas was solid until Obama’s reelection when he decided to run for president. Then Bernie had to start conforming to the party’s requirements and toned down his historic support for the right to keep and bear arms and for America’s borders.

    It’s just like Trump pretending to be pro-life and reluctantly accepting gay rights. His history is supporting gay people and women but Republican primary voters won’t accept that, so Trump mouths the sibboleths, though not very well.

    As you say, in order the best candidates are clear:

    1. Trump
    2. Bernie
    3. Hillary
    4. O’Malley
    5. Paul
    6. Just leave the top ballot line blank

    Any Republican other than Trump and maybe Paul will push a mass amnesty and guest worker bill through Congress. The only things that have prevented such a law so far have been a Republican House that hates Obama (and would hate Clinton or O’Malley) and a lucky rescue from the Honorable Dave Brat when Paul Ryan and Speaker Boehner were literally just days away from pushing the Rubio Amnesty through.

  127. You don’t think that the “borders are racist” dogma that now is part of mainstream left-of-center thought helps the plutocrats?

    Leftists/Democrats who don’t support open borders are rarer today than an A/C unit in Barrow.

  128. Coates is right about Bernie. Like all the class struggle Marxists, he has no interest in the fancies of race hustlers. Bernie sees them as an impediment on the way to real equality against the plutocrats. Racial interest claims do make class solidarity impossible.

    And he has a point. Racial interest claims do make class solidarity impossible. And race hustling is an effective tool against the American people wielded by cheap labor plutocrats.

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  129. After Trump, Sanders is easily the next best person in this race. Other than on immigration, I don’t see what’s wrong with Sanders.

    “But other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?”

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  130. “Minnesota’s are worst than Vermont’s. And seven or eight Canadian provinces, as well.”

    The Vibrant Ones like to live in big cities. Vermont is a small, remote, rural state with no town above 50K in populace. That’s why they don’t go there. They’d rather live in Minneapolis or Winnipeg, not Stovington.

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    The NY Times endorsed Sanders’ immigration plan because Sanders promises to be worse than Obama on immigration and is bolder and more specific than Hillary in those promises:

    “Bernie Sanders Gets Immigration Policy Right”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/opinion/bernie-sanders-gets-immigration-policy-right.html

    Recognizing Congress’s chronic inaction on immigration, Mr. Sanders promises to use executive authority well beyond what President Obama has done. He would protect young immigrants and their parents from deportation, and give “broad administrative relief” to young immigrants, to the parents of citizens and legal permanent residents and to others who would have been allowed to stay under the 2013 Senate bill. This affirms the humane and sensible principle behind that legislation — that 11 million unauthorized immigrants should stay and contribute, not be isolated and expelled.

    The Sanders plan tackles an ugly truth — that racial profiling and the nation’s vast deportation and detention machinery have made suspected criminals of millions of people who don’t fit the definition. His promise to “decouple” federal immigration enforcement from local policing would be a sharp break from dragnet policies that expanded under President Obama. Mr. Sanders rightly defends “sanctuary city” policies that protect public safety by building trust between immigrant communities and local law enforcement.

    Mr. Sanders’s promise to increase immigrants’ access to the justice system, with more funding for courts and lawyers, stands in sharp contrast to the Republican view of unauthorized immigrants as a shadow society of criminals who haven’t been deported yet. Mr. Sanders instead sees them as parents, breadwinners, taxpayers, bulwarks of the economy and of the communities they live in, aspiring Americans trapped by unjust laws and oppressive policing.

    Is that so radical? It may sound that way, in today’s climate. But it is a vision that lawmakers of both parties once embraced without question. Ronald Reagan and both Presidents Bush spoke movingly of immigrants as assets to the country to be welcomed through assimilation and citizenship.

    Mr. Sanders has done more than most of the other candidates to seed the campaign with good ideas. But he is still trailing Hillary Rodham Clinton, whose own immigration agenda delivers a similar list of worthy proposals, but with fewer specifics and less breadth than that of Mr. Sanders. We hope she is inspired to match his boldness.

  132. Burnie Sanders knew that however many billions went to the VA, there would always be people lined up for free services. He took no steps to staunch the expense or the failure because the only way involved institutional accountability and personal responsibility. Like a Wall Street mortgage bundler, he knows his product is a worthless mess.

    Our latest wars had very low casualty rates relative to other wars and rather comfortable conditions for the soldiers while deployed. But the greatest portion by far of the veterans of these wars have claimed permanent disabilities that require lifetime indemnity. That’s why Sanders couldn’t actually look into what was wrong at the VA. He can’t acknowledge, though he well knows from personal experience, that there’s a limitless demand for free things.

    Even on his watch socialism failed. But today he promises that his government will provide housing, heat, food, and education, all free or at a small cost relative to what we have now. He knows it won’t and he doesn’t care. He will blame someone.

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  133. I don’t know what Alex Jones is up to (and I doubt it’s of much import), but I don’t see it happening. Blacks are too used to hating whites.

    To the extent any ethnic realignments are going to happen, it’s going to to be half- and quarter-whites throwing in their lot with whites.

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  134. Same fellow who’s saved Russia a few times: General Winter.

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  135. Same fellow who’s saved Russia a few times: General Winter.

    General Winter didn’t seem to help Minnesota.

  136. JohnnyWalker123 (I love these handles, I wish I’d picked a better one)’s no fan of the Jews. I think a lot of people here like Bernie (or at least hate him less) because they get the same anti-elitist vibe from him they get from Trump. There’s the perception that he might actually do something for the white working class. I genuinely do think he wants to, BTW, mostly because he thinks in class terms, and most of the working class is white.

    Thing is, these hardcore lefties are usually not good administrators. Deficits will balloon under a Sanders administration. But…it may be something the country needs, I’m afraid. The working class, white and black, has been suffering way too long.

  137. Actually a caller phoned in and said that. Rush was repeating what the caller said. I imagine the caller is familiar with this blog.

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  138. Recall the old workers of the world unite slogan. German coal miners weren’t supposed to go off into the trenches and fight English coal miners. But both did in the millions. Cultural, language, religion and ethnicity prevented them from recognizing their class interests. This is why the cultural marxists supposedly shifted their focus to destroying such affiliations. So it wouldn’t surprise me if old school socialists do not want to go down the race path. It’ll end up getting in the way of what they really want.

  139. It will be interesting to see how Bernie tacks in the general election, assuming he wins the nomination (which is looking more likely now). I think what may surprise Dems is that he and Trump both attempt to appeal to the core versus the fringe, to use Steve’s terms.

  140. McWhorter trying to Urkel his way into a battle between Coates and Killer Mike.

  141. He probably is.

  142. Clyde, Thank Hillary for wearing those “lesbianish pantsuits’. Try to form a mental picture of her in a short skirt…..hurts don’t it?

  143. John and Rich remember their Urkel days

  144. OT: Linked from Drudge today – Julian Castro sees himself as a possible running mate for Hillary.

    Julian Castro

    He is even practicing spanish, presumably in order to be a more credible hispanic. I find the idea of him being passed off as an authentic hispanic when he has to brush up on his spanish to be somewhat amusing.

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  145. I don’t get why Sanders supporters does not get why we minorities will not support him. It’s pretty clear to me as a black.

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  146. Blacks are used to hating white? yeah, because american blacks have the history of genocide, enslavement, jim crow and separate but equal. Stupid comment all around.

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  147. I hope she’s dumb enough to pick Julian Castro for VP. Trump would have a field day eviscerating him. A mayor and HUD administrator, whose only appeal is that he’s hispanic? We’d get a great tweetstorm on that from Trump.

    The Democrat bench is shallow. They don’t seem to have many charismatic, young-ish politicians.

  148. There are also grievously wounded vets today who never would have survived with the medical care available in previous wars.

  149. I dispute the flavor of this post. A lot of the veterans of our recent wars have been exposed to more stress (in terms of getting blown up at any moment, and in terms of repeated extended deployments) than any American veterans since the Civil War. So it’s no surprise that PTSD is rampant. In addition, as David Pinsen noted elsewhere, we have tens of thousands of veterans who were permanently disabled by their service. This includes not only the many thousands of amputees and people with metal plates in their heads, but also people who suffered lesser injuries which would still entitle them to permanent partial benefits under any workers compensation regime. Are we suggesting that workers comp is a cash cow, too?

    Although written from a leftist POV, this article makes a good case for how many of the recent veterans came home in pretty bad shape.

    I am a veteran of the Vietnam Era, although I was not in Vietnam, or in any particular life or death situations. My feeling is that veterans are entitled to anything they can get. The way civilians dismiss veterans is legendary (Kipling’s “Tommy Atkins”), but the fact is, by being in the service, they are carrying the water for everyone else. “Thank you for your service” (the usual line trotted out twice a year) is nice, but ultimately meaningless. We have a responsibility for the members of our armed services, and they should receive as much help as we can give them — if they need it. (I say this because outside of the GI Bill I have never had to use any veterans benefits and do not plan to; but no surprise a lot people in the service are not terribly skilled outside of that environment and lead fairly low income lives outside. And those men and women deserve our respect and our support.)

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  150. As a percentage analysis Blacks will likely go for Hillary at a high level, but there turn out has been notoriously fickle and perhaps emotive over the years. In other words, if they make it to the polls they will likely vote for her. But now that there guy is no longer eligible, the question is, will they make it?

  151. Desi, don’t let hyperbole get in the way of a otherwise good post. Genocide? I can point to lots of black on black genocide on the African continent. White on black genocide in the USA….when?

  152. Interesting observations. I don’t know if you aware or not, but, before FDR came along, the Black vote generally went to the Republicans, not the Democrats. I agree with Cagey Beast that it would be better if Trump were to win with a substantial share of the Black vote, just for the sake of racial harmony. I don’t think Hillary will come close to drawing the abnormally large percentage of the Black vote that our truly first Black president got in 2012 (upward of 95%, as I recall), but if Trump can succeed in getting 30-40% of the Black vote, a revolution of sorts will have happened. I think he has the personality to pull off that remarkable feat, but I think 20-30% is more realistic. If Trump succeeds in drawing that number of Black votes, it will definitely be a blow-out victory.

    A number of months back, when the BLM was at its peak and succeeded in disrupting a Bernie Sanders rally, I suggested that Trump should make an issue of the BLM and throw a grenade into the Democratic nominating process. Trump rejected my advice, which indicates that he has some pretty astute political advisers. They must have figured that for Trump to take an outspoken stand against the BLM would alienate a lot of Black voters that they were hoping to attract in the general election. I don’t know if you recall, but around the time of the Kate Steinle shooting, Trump held a rally in California or Arizona, and one of the persons who spoke there was the Black father whose son had also been killed by an illegal alien. Apparently, he had sought out the Trump campaign. I remember Trump warmly embracing the father, and I thought that scene must have played well among a substantial part of the Black community. I don’t think that Black father is an isolated case. I think there are many Blacks who are fed up with the whole crime scene. The only question is how many will be voting for Trump. That is the great unknown.

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  153. My cousin is a Vietnam War Era veteran, but his overseas deployment was spent typing in a NATO headquarters in a palace in Venice, a job he commuted to via gondola.

    Back in the conscription era they had a lot of randomness in where your service would take you. Nowadays in the volunteer era, with fewer warm bodies to use, the odds seem a lot higher that you’ll get shot at during some point in your multiple deployments.

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  154. I totally and completely agree, and, furthermore, it seems to me that a lot, maybe most, of our casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan have been caused by random IED’s/booby traps or whatever you want to call them. And that means whether you are a clerk or an infantryman you are almost equally likely to get blown up if you ever have to drive anywhere. And I am sure our veterans were thinking of that all the time whenever they strapped themselves in.

  155. I said they were used to it, didn’t say there was nothing behind it.

  156. Actually a caller phoned in and said that. Rush was repeating what the caller said. I imagine the caller is familiar with this blog.

    I didn’t hear the caller, just Rush’s recapitulation of the conversation the next day. I instantly thought of Steve, and wondered if Rush may have arranged the call because he likes the “fringe vs. core” idea and wanted to use it on his show.

    Blacks are used to hating white? yeah, because american blacks have the history of genocide, enslavement, jim crow and separate but equal. Stupid comment all around.

    1. Desis aren’t black.
    2. Black Americans are the most fortunate blacks on Earth, being far wealthier, healthier, and freer than blacks anywhere in their native habitat of sub-Saharan Africa. The world is full of blacks who are dying to come and live in America. I’ll leave it to you to process how demented it is that the ones we have here are far surlier and more militant than the unlucky ones.

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  157. RE: Black anti-immigration voices,

    Makes one miss Barbara Jordan:

    Yeah, the ghost of Barbara Jordan was (presumably) the best they could find.

  158. Ok, but nearly every other candidate (other than maybe Ted Cruz) is horrible on immigration. That’s been true for almost all major politicians from the late 90s through today. I don’t think Sanders is uniquely bad on immigration, but he’s uniquely good on almost all non-immigration issues. Sanders receives a lot of hate for a guy who’s right on most issues.

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    bernie is the left’s ron paul maybe

  160. A lot of blacks will vote for Trump because they feel the squeeze on their wages and employment from globalization (out-of-control immigration, free trade, outsourcing, etc). They also like his alpha male persona.

  161. In 2015 non-Hispanic whites were 61.8% of the American population. America is about 1% Arab, most of whom are Christians, 1% Indian and .5% Persian. So a little under 60% non MENA non-Hispanic white.

  162. “Black Americans are the most fortunate blacks on Earth, being far wealthier, healthier, and freer than blacks anywhere in their native habitat of sub-Saharan Africa.”

    and the Caribbean

  163. Urban areas with some damn good fishing…

  164. But reality is that once you include the ethnics in the equation you are bled dry by the neediness of those communities.

    To anyone employed by the welfare state, that neediness is a feature, not a bug. Job security.

  165. My understanding is that during the Vietnam Era if you volunteered your chances of avoiding combat were better than those of draftees. So guys volunteered (though they may have had to stay in four years instead of two). Additionally there’s a lot of variation in death rates between branches of service. Only about 2,500 airmen and 2,500 sailors died, compared to almost 15,000 marines and over 38,000 soldiers. Even adjusting for the size of the branches that’s a huge difference. A guy volunteering for the Navy, then or now, has a pretty low chance of death, especially if he avoids certain specialties (aviation, SEALs, etc.). I have a hunch there are a lot of Navy Reservists who have never been activated at all during the GWOT.

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  166. I’d add that the disparity in KIAs between the Navy (on the low end) and the Army/Marines seems ever greater during the GWOT. Virtually all of the Navy deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are SEALs or aviators. The Navy – the safe branch – seems to be the preferred branch for the children of the elite.

    If you do risk your life in the Navy you get to do it as the kind of hero beloved by Hollywood – a SEAL! a Naval aviator! – unlike those poor soldiers and marines who get killed by IEDs while driving supply trucks or whatever. Most of the mundane stuff in the Navy is done in places where our current enemy has almost no chance of getting to you.

  167. “I think he has the personality to pull off that remarkable feat, but I think 20-30% is more realistic.”

    Agree. Even in my busted-up onetime industrial area with strong Democrat roots, we have Black businessmen who own quietly successful enterprises (cartage companies, restaurants, specialty retailers, etc.) that’ve been in their families for generations, and have long done business in the broader community. The handful of ex-pat Africans and Caribbean Blacks here are upmarket folks. If Trump is the Republican candidate, I agree that 20-30% of the Black vote is realistic.

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  168. Thanks for your response. First, I’d say that soldiers need civilians as much as the other way around unless soldiers want to make war a way of life too. Cops, farmers, school teachers, truckers, soldiers… all can make a case for being the indispensable cast. A boring, insipid and solipsistic case.

    “My feeling is that veterans are entitled to anything they can get.” QED.

  169. That’s brilliant.

  170. Sorry, the optics of this Sanders debacle are horrifying.

    http://crooksandliars.com/2015/08/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down

    Do you think Trump would meekly give up his microphone to the “angry negresses”?

  171. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421369/bernie-sanders-national-socialism

    He is a great admirer of the German welfare state, saying: “I ask myself: Why do they have these nice things, and we can’t?” I ask him to answer his own question, and his answer is at once familiar and frightening: “Germany is very homogeneous. They have lots of white people. We’re very diverse. We have the melting pot, and that’s a big struggle.”

    We (the USA) can’t have nice things, in a discussion about diversity, whut? Looks like the author, Kevin Williamson, is another confirmed iSteve cribber.

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  172. “Daniel Williams”: once again, stop lying. I don’t have a “blog”.

    Whether my site “sucks” is subjective, but you might want to read it more carefully. You’ll notice that I’m occasionally able to determine the real identities of those who stalk and smear me. Disagreeing is fine; smearing isn’t. You’ll find SEO’ed posts about some stalkers whose identities I’ve been able to discover. (For instance, Glenn Reynolds smearing me behind a fake name). In extreme cases, you’ll find me SEOing their real names at more powerful sites so I can get my posts about them – under their real names – to the front page of Google if not position #1.

    My site is chock full of smart anti-amnesty arguments, deep background on pro-amnesty groups, and smart tactics that can be used to stop amnesty.

    The design is bad and I’m not a pro writer (I don’t really care about either, frankly).

    However, the info is great. The only people who’d really dislike it are Obama fans, pro-amnesty hacks, fans of the ACLU, etc. Or, those who have emotional issues that lead them to in effect help Obama and pro-amnesty hacks.

    The friends and associates of “Daniel Williams” deserve to know which one of those it is.

  173. - A lot of horrifically injured vets survived due to modern medicine, who would have died in most other wars. So the rate of grievously traumatized soldiers is larger, since we kept them alive.

    - The psychological damage caused by a horizontally-violent conventional war “lets square off and fight those guys, while our country supports us” cannot really be compared to the psychological damage of chaotically-violent counter-insurgency war “lets stand around a marketplace surrounded by a hostile crowd for vague hearts-and-minds reasons, until one of the teeming masses lights us up with an rpg, we kill him, then get castigated in the press for the inevitable civilian casualties”. Different experiences, different residual stress.

  174. Sanders was insistent that Open Borders was being pushed by the Koch Brothers and therefore would never be for it.

    He’s no fool – keep the Republican plutocrats in the spotlight for favoring it and it will never get done under Sanders.

  175. He’s no fool – keep the Republican plutocrats in the spotlight for favoring it and it will never get done under Sanders

    Betcha he– or you– won’t take on the “Republican” plutocrats’– Kochs, Singer, Adelson– who support the dissolution of the basis of marriage.

    This is totally hypocritical of Sanders. Fie on him.

    I wonder what the BLM (“bowel movement”?) people really think of this issue. It might be worth buying them a few drinks after a protest rally.

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  176. Why on earth would he do that? He’s a cultural liberal.

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  177. I suspect you’re right–Steve’s topics have a funny way of showing up in the NYT two weeks later–but the ‘nice things’ phrase is way older.

  178. Why on earth would he do that? He’s a cultural liberal.

    Yes, but aren’t “Republican plutocrats” wrong about everything? How can he side with them at all?

  179. Check out http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-black-woman-vows-divorce-if-husband-doesnt-vote-trump/:

    VIDEO: Black woman says Trump ‘gives real hope and change’

    JANUARY 13, 2016
    BY OLAF EKBERG
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    The presidential candidacy of Donald Trump is poised to shake up the political make up of America.

    A higher percentage Democrats and Independents are moving in Trump’s direction.

    Just one example is a black female Democrat in Atlanta who says Trump opened her eyes.

    “Trump gives me real hope and change, not fake hope and change. I’m voting for America because I believe in America.

    “I never thought I’d be saying these words about the country. Democrats don’t speak about the country but I’ve woken up, I’ve seen the truth and the truth is Trump, I believe in this guy to make our country better because our country is going to hell!

    “My daughter can’t find a job, she’s a college graduate. Black men are 50% unemployed. Our borders are wide open. I love everybody don’t get me wrong, but we have to close our borders.

    “Trump is speaking the truth and that is why I’m here.”

    The woman went on to add that, “Democrats are crazy — I can’t believe I thought that way.” She said her husband supports Bernie Sanders and that she told him, “If he don’t vote for Trump, we’re getting a divorce.”

    Fox News Latino reports:

    The image of the Donald Trump supporter is that of an under-educated conservative white male.

    That is partly true.

    The more accurate depiction is that his supporters are also moderate Republicans, independents and – yes – registered Democrats who want a hard line on immigration.

    “There’s some truth that there’s a unique Trump coalition that’s not just the conservative coalition, that includes socially liberal Republicans who know that Trump is not concerned about social issues,” says Alfonso Aguilar, director of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles.

    “And there are Democrats in the middle class who blame immigrants for taking jobs away from American workers,” Aguilar tells Fox News Latino. “Whether or not they feel Trump is an extremist on immigration, they agree with his position.” ”

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  180. Realistically, if Trump’s share of the black vote exceeds 10% then he should win in a landslide. Realistically speaking, if we judge from more than half a century of voting history, if Trump is the GOP nominee and pulls anywhere between 10-15% of the black vote, its over for Hillary or Sanders. You also have to consider the real possibility that many blacks will simply sit this one out and stay home, but those that do vote will still go overwhelmingly for the Democrat. After all, why shouldn’t they? They’re a major powerbroker within the party and that’s not gonna change anytime soon. Its basically wishful thinking that any GOP candidate, including Trump, could pull north of 15%. But 10-15% is as realistic as anyone should expect.

    And, does Trump really have to depend on winning sufficient numbers of blacks in order to become president? Couldn’t he just expand his share of say…..oh….the white vote, for instance? Suppose Trump wins about 68-72% of the total white vote, or roughly 70% of the white vote share of the electorate? Wouldn’t that be enough for him to win the White House? Common sense would tend to suggest that it would.

    I mean, now we have to hope that Trump can win 20% or more of the black vote. Really? Just give up on increasing his white share of the vote cause everyone knows that whites overwhelmingly support Hillary or Bernie? Seriously?

    I’m sorry, but this is the same argument that if the GOP would simply increase its share of the Latino vote, wham, presto, they’d win the national elections from now til Kingdom Come. Not gonna happen with Latinos or with blacks.

    Also, its nice that some can speak of knowing blacks with intact two parent families. Considering that in 2016, the overall total percentage of out of wedlock births among blacks now hovers around ca. 75%.

    But yep, everyone knows that BLM doesn’t represent a significant majority within the black population at large, and that most blacks are just like yuppie SWPLs in nearly every single way.

  181. Thanks. I live among and work among and listen to Black folks. Trump’s unscripted street-talk rhetoric, plus the substantive economic aspect of his anti-illegal immigration position, means he’ll attract Black supporters. Sometimes it ain’t complicated. Yeah, a realistic 20%-30% of the Black vote in my area is possible, if Trump is the Republican contender.

  182. I’ve come to call them the Coalition of the Damned. They’d probably enjoy that moniker too.

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