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From the Washington Post:

Before Michelle, Barack Obama asked another woman to marry him. Then politics got in the way.

A massive new biography sheds light on the relationships, sacrifices and calculations that enabled the Obama presidency.

Reviewed by Carlos Lozada May 2 at 1:00 PM
(Washington Post illustration; Photos by the Associated Press and Getty Images.)
RISING STAR: The Making of Barack Obama

By David J. Garrow.

William Morrow. 1,460 pp. $45. …

… It is in the personal realm that Garrow’s account is particularly revealing. He shares for the first time the story of a woman Obama lived with and loved in Chicago, in the years before he met Michelle, and whom he asked to marry him. Sheila Miyoshi Jager, now a professor at Oberlin College, is a recurring presence in “Rising Star,” and her pained, drawn-out relationship with Obama informs both his will to rise in politics and the trade-offs he deems necessary to do so.

Dr. Jager’s name wasn’t known until now, although the few details that had been known about her — e.g., U. of Chicago grad student in anthropology — seem confirmed.

Garrow, who received a Pulitzer Prize for his biography of Martin Luther King Jr., concludes this massive new work with a damning verdict on Obama’s determination: “While the crucible of self-creation had produced an ironclad will, the vessel was hollow at its core.”

… Note how it was as much about Obama himself as any success he had in his organizing work. Inspired by Harold Washington, the city’s first black mayor, Obama began to discuss his political ambitions with a few colleagues and friends during his early time in the city. He wanted to be mayor of Chicago. Or a U.S. senator. Or governor of Illinois. Or perhaps he would enter the ministry. Or, as he confided to very few, such as Jager, he would become president of the United States. Lofty stuff for a 20-something community organizer who struggled to write fiction on the side.

Screenshot 2017-05-02 22.46.33Jager, who in “Dreams From My Father” was virtually written out, compressed into a single character along with two prior Obama girlfriends, may have evoked something of Obama’s distant mother, Stanley Ann Dunham. Like Dunham, Jager studied anthropology, and while Dunham focused on Indonesia, Jager developed a deep expertise in the Korean Peninsula. Jager was of Dutch and Japanese ancestry, fitting the multicultural world Obama was only starting to leave behind. They were a natural fit.

Obama was groomed by his extended family, well-educated people with ties to academia and American deep state power, for a career as a foreign relations go-between: what I call a Muslimist. Not an “Arabist,” but similar: an expert on non-Arab heavily Muslim countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, and Kenya.

As Obama told his previous biographer David Maraniss, the “obvious path for me given my background” was to get a graduate degree in international relations and wind up “working in the State Department, in the Foreign Service, or working for an international foundation.…”

Dr. Jager has a similar job involving being an expert on Korea.

In 1985 Obama rebelled against that foreign affairs destiny, moving to insular Chicago. Of course, he didn’t get along all that well with the African-Americans he was now paid to organize, so he acquired a girlfriend straight out of his old International Affairs world.

The white girlfriend he left behind in New York was the daughter of a top Australian intelligence official with expertise in Indonesia who later because Australia’s ambassador to the United States. She was also the stepdaughter of a top Washington Democratic power broker lawyer who ran the Indonesian connection for a giant international mining company. I’ve always wondered who set them up: maybe Timothy Geithner’s dad, who worked with Obama’s mom?

Jager soon came to realize, she told Garrow, that Obama had “a deep-seated need to be loved and admired.”

She describes their life together as an isolating experience, “an island unto ourselves” in which Obama would “compartmentalize his work and home life.” She did not meet Jeremiah Wright, the pastor with a growing influence on Obama, and they rarely saw his professional colleagues socially. The friends they saw were often graduate students at the University of Chicago, where Sheila was pursuing her doctorate. They traveled together to meet her family as well as his. Soon they began speaking of marriage.

“In the winter of ‘86, when we visited my parents, he asked me to marry him,” she told Garrow. Her parents were opposed, less for any racial reasons (Barack came across to them like “a white, middle-class kid,” a close family friend said) than for concern about Obama’s professional prospects, and because her mother thought Sheila, two years Obama’s junior, was too young. “Not yet,” Sheila told Barack. But they stayed together.

In early 1987, when Obama was 25, she sensed a change. “He became. . . so very ambitious” very suddenly,” she told Garrow. “I remember very clearly when this transformation happened, and I remember very specifically that by 1987, about a year into our relationship, he already had his sights on becoming president.”

I wonder when he took the LSAT.

The sense of destiny is not unusual among those who become president. (See Clinton, Bill.) But it created complications. Obama believed that he had a “calling,” Garrow writes, and in his case it was “coupled with a heightened awareness that to pursue it he had to fully identify as African American.”

Maraniss’s 2012 biography deftly describes Obama’s conscious evolution from a multicultural, internationalist self-perception toward a distinctly African American one, and Garrow puts this transition into an explicitly political context. For black politicians in Chicago, he writes, a non-African-American spouse could be a liability. He cites the example of Richard H. Newhouse Jr., a legendary African American state senator in Illinois, who was married to a white woman and endured whispers that he “talks black but sleeps white.” And Carol Moseley Braun, who during the 1990s served Illinois as the first female African American U.S. senator and whose ex-husband was white, admitted that “an interracial marriage really restricts your political options.”

Discussions of race and politics suddenly overwhelmed Sheila and Barack’s relationship. “The marriage discussions dragged on and on,” but now they were clouded by Obama’s “torment over this central issue of his life . . . race and identity,” Sheila recalls. The “resolution of his black identity was directly linked to his decision to pursue a political career,” she said.

In Garrow’s telling, Obama made emotional judgments on political grounds. A close mutual friend of the couple recalls Obama explaining that “the lines are very clearly drawn. . . . If I am going out with a white woman, I have no standing here.” …

He points out that Obama’s cocaine use extended into his post-college years, longer than Obama had previously acknowledged.

That’s kind of interesting.

And he suggests Obama deployed religion for political purposes; while campaigning for the U.S. Senate, Garrow notes, Obama began toting around a Bible and exhibited “a greater religious faith than close acquaintances had ever previously sensed.”

 
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  1. I do find myself wondering how our media will choose to destroy, as they must, Garrow’s book, and his reputation.

    Kakutani’s typically incompetent, ham-handed diatribe in the NY Times isn’t going to do the job:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/books/review-rising-star-making-of-barack-obama-david-garrow.html?_r=1

    Thing is, Garrow has won a Pulitzer Prize. How do you pretend he and his book don’t exist, and are unworthy?

    • Replies: @JohnnyD
    @Candid_Observer,
    Garrow's book about Martin Luther King Jr. goes into detail about King's adultery, plagiarism, and his later embrace of Marxism. So, I don't think his conclusions about Obama will hurt his reputation.
    , @Dieter Kief

    Kakutani’s typically incompetent, ham-handed diatribe in the NY Times
     
    I'm just glad you wrote this.
    , @Old fogey
    Thanks for the link to the NYT's review - it is interesting to read both. Neither reviewer mentions anything about the issue of Obama's place of birth. I guess Garrow passed over that question.
  2. This isn’t really covering any new ground, is it?

    One little remarked on fact about Obama that’s always seemed interesting is his cigarette smoking. Who was the last president to smoke cigs, LBJ? Smoking has been looked down on as a really low class habit for awhile now so it’s interesting, though probably not surprising, that he got a pass on it. Wasn’t he still occasionally smoking when he was elected in 2008? Also, what’s the significance of the cocaine use, other than the fact that you would not want to be cornered by this guy at a party when he was coked up?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    I seem to recall that Laura Bush smoked, and had a tacit agreement with the media not to photograph her with a cigarette because she didn't want to influence young people. Which is laudatory, because despite our efforts to paint it as declasse', having a cigarette just looks cool and feels cool. I'd smoke, but cancer or COPD is not a good way to go.

    The significance of the cocaine use to me is that he was able to walk away from it. Of the four people I knew who used cocaine, all four destroyed their lives with it.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "what’s the significance of the cocaine use...?"
     
    Um, it's a felony?

    It would have derailed, disbarred and ash-canned any white or Republican candidate?

  3. Didn’t stop him from dating Larry Sinclair later on. Incidentally, Sinclair confirms Garrow’s claims that Obama’s cocaine use persisted longer than he admitted:

    • Replies: @Punahou High Grad
    It is definitely interesting how people like Sinclair, numerous remarks by more than a few of Obama's high school classmates, and Obama's and Rahm Emanuel's memberships at the "Man's Country" bath house, all of these things that point at an important part of Obama's personality and politics are "ignored" by biographers. Yet they keep cropping up. One can bet if Obama didn't enjoy protective coloring the stories might get more play. Or maybe not. Even though in this day and age being gay is supposedly a badge of honor, something that makes you better than everyone else.

    Obama's last flight out of DC on Air Force One was interesting to say the least, in terms of him making a beeline to Palm Springs to hang out with James Costos and his "husband", Michael Smith. But that doesn't mean anything of course. Sure.
  4. Looks long and boring. I liked the short summary of his old girlfriend. It would be nice to read the page about young Obama considering going gay:

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/26/new-biography-young-obama-considered-gayness-amazon1/

    As well as the details about the cocaine use.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Instead of Tubman on the twenty, maybe we should put Obama on the three dollar bill.
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    Unfortunately, a life like that of Murad IV wasn't available to him:

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Murad_IV
    , @dearieme
    When asked about Obama experimenting with homosexuality, Garrow replied, “I think anyone and everyone, no matter what their role in life deserves a certain basic degree of privacy, in that context.”

    Meaning "yes he did". So the usual question: who knew and on what subjects did they blackmail him?
    , @slumber_j
    From the linked piece:

    “Three years later, Obama wrote somewhat elusively to his first intimate girlfriend that he had thought about and considered gayness, but ultimately had decided that a same-sex relationship would be less challenging and demanding than developing one with the opposite sex,” Garrow wrote.
     
    I'm sorry: What?!! Who has ever resolved sexual confusion that way?

    He's just bullshitting his girlfriend there, trying to sound thoughtful by spewing what is obvious nonsense to anyone but him. Apparently with the young BHO, it was bullshit all the way down.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    At least it didn't come out in the campaign or we would have been subjected to the gay version of "I smoked it, but I didn't inhale."
    , @Bugg
    In the immortal words of noted street philosopher Andrew "Dice" Clay, as a man you either do or do not suck...


    Odd though; goes against the Leftist idea that gayness is innate and immutable rather than a choice. But they would have given this guy a pass on anything.
  5. “In the winter of ‘86, when we visited my parents, he asked me to marry him,” she told Garrow. Her parents were opposed, less for any racial reasons (Barack came across to them like “a white, middle-class kid,” a close family friend said) than for concern about Obama’s professional prospects, and because her mother thought Sheila, two years Obama’s junior, was too young. “Not yet,” Sheila told Barack. But they stayed together.

    In early 1987, when Obama was 25, she sensed a change. “He became. . . so very ambitious” very suddenly,” she told Garrow. “I remember very clearly when this transformation happened, and I remember very specifically that by 1987, about a year into our relationship, he already had his sights on becoming president.”

    Some unusual aspects emerge from this account:

    Sheila, then about 23 years old and a doctoral student at Chicago, was considered “too young” to get engaged to marry by her parents? In the 1980s?

    Obama asked for her hand less than a year into their relationship?

    • Replies: @Bill

    Sheila, then about 23 years old and a doctoral student at Chicago, was considered “too young” to get engaged to marry by her parents? In the 1980s?
     
    I find that very plausible. It isn't that unusual a sentiment among accomplished, feminist parents. Lots of academics, for example, would now and would have then endorsed this sort of silliness. Waiting until you are in your thirties to get married strikes an amazing number of people as a good idea.
    , @Anonymous
    23 would have been extremely young to get married in the 1980s, especially for an intelligent, well-educated, presumably ambitious woman. This wan't Little House on the Prairie time, or even the 1950s.
  6. @Lot
    Looks long and boring. I liked the short summary of his old girlfriend. It would be nice to read the page about young Obama considering going gay:

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/26/new-biography-young-obama-considered-gayness-amazon1/

    As well as the details about the cocaine use.

    Instead of Tubman on the twenty, maybe we should put Obama on the three dollar bill.

    • LOL: Clyde, Johnnygeo
  7. @Lot
    Looks long and boring. I liked the short summary of his old girlfriend. It would be nice to read the page about young Obama considering going gay:

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/26/new-biography-young-obama-considered-gayness-amazon1/

    As well as the details about the cocaine use.

    Unfortunately, a life like that of Murad IV wasn’t available to him:

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Murad_IV

  8. It’s ironic that marrying Michelle may have been the best decision he made for his political career, but that she seems to be the least supportive spouse in history. He won both because of her and in spite of her. I wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually divorce.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    but that she seems to be the least supportive spouse in history.

    No, the prize goes to Mrs. Franklin Pierce.

    Bess Truman, Jackie Kennedy, Pat Nixon, and Betty Ford were ambivalent on a good day about their routines in the White House. Mooch has company.
  9. Would it be correct to assume that her maiden name is Miyoshi?

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Would it be correct to assume that her maiden name is Miyoshi?
     
    More like her mother's surname. She is ethnically half-Dutch and half-Japanese, apparently.
  10. @PiltdownMan
    Would it be correct to assume that her maiden name is Miyoshi?

    Would it be correct to assume that her maiden name is Miyoshi?

    More like her mother’s surname. She is ethnically half-Dutch and half-Japanese, apparently.

  11. Shiite, I read one of her books.

  12. Jager was of Dutch and Japanese ancestry, fitting the multicultural world Obama was only starting to leave behind. They were a natural fit.

    In Garrow’s telling, Obama made emotional judgments on political grounds. A close mutual friend of the couple recalls Obama explaining that “the lines are very clearly drawn. . . . If I am going out with a white woman, I have no standing here.”

    Interesting. I’ve noticed that Asian-White mixes tend to be labeled White.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Interesting. I’ve noticed that Asian-White mixes tend to be labeled White.
     
    Apparently Asian-black mixes are black. See Tiger Woods.

    I've mentioned several times that a large majority of Asian-white mixes identify as white in the U.S. and that a sizable fraction of American-born "pure" Asians identify as whites as well (posted a link to the survey several times, but can't find it now).
  13. More like her mother’s surname. She is ethnically half-Dutch and half-Japanese, apparently.

    Owners and invaders of SE Asian rubber plantations\.

    Now that Obama is out I am not that interested in more biographical material.

  14. Note how it was as much about Obama himself as any success he had in his organizing work.

    Jager soon came to realize, she told Garrow, that Obama had “a deep-seated need to be loved and admired.”

    This is stereotypically very politician-like.

    Most politicians crave adulation, especially mass adulation (rather than close personal relationships). For them, personal relationships are generally transactional. And they are invariably the centers in their own solar systems, in which even their children are mere satellites, almost cardboard cutouts meant to make their politician parent more attractive in the eyes of the electorate.

    The HBO show “Veep” presents, comically, but sadly, an excellent portrayal of politicians and their ambitious, but ultimately petty self-absorption.

    Barack came across to them like “a white, middle-class kid,” a close family friend said

    Obama’s “son” might be a thug, but apparently he was a son of his white mother and grandparents.

    A close mutual friend of the couple recalls Obama explaining that “the lines are very clearly drawn. . . . If I am going out with a white woman, I have no standing here.” …

    I wonder how the former First Lady feels about being a tool of political advancement and how she reacted when she figured it out.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    I have always assumed that politicians are narcissistic psychopaths
    , @Olorin

    I wonder how the former First Lady feels about being a tool of political advancement and how she reacted when she figured it out.
     
    Her reactions/face seem to settle easily into resentful/bitter expressions. But those might date to youth or genetics.

    Like Ms. Rodham or Bubba, Michelle Robinson was likely resigned to a particular marriage arrangement in exchange for being part of Barry's advancement.

    In Michelle Robinson's case obviously her ambition outstripped her capacities. There is nothing positive-exceptional about her that I've been able to find. Where would she have gone, given her lackluster school and career performance?

    To be wanted precisely for being a blackety black woman after finding her niche in Ed Biz race-based proto-SJW career-mongering? Where else could she get that...and with the entire press corps pandering and photoshopping her?

    People enter transactional marriages because they want something that alliance with another may provide. As you say, politicians do this often...even having offspring as game pieces.

    Some marriages are founded on people being each others' game pieces. The price tag of having no deep emotional connection to one's mate comes later. If it comes at all: like all other human capacities, the one for companionate, affectionate marriage is not equally distributed.

    And never forget where we were a mere 9-10 years ago:

    http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

    , @Anonymous
    I wonder how the former First Lady feels about being a tool of political advancement and how she reacted when she figured it out.

    That might be one of the reasons she looks pi$$ed off so often.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Veep is very good.
    , @RonaldB
    You shouldn't be surprised that a specialized subspecies arises to compete for positions of great wealth, fame, and power.

    The larger the geographical boundaries of the country, the more extensive and expensive the bureaucracy is, and the more remote the leadership is from accountability, the more differentiated the leadership class will become.

    It would probably be better for the US and Canada to split up into two or three countries each, based broadly on political orientation. It might even be beneficial to very blue states, having to live close to the consequences of their own governance, rather than mediating through an all-powerful federal government.

    The main downside of such an event would be the weakening of the military, which would have to focus more on defensive strategy, and protection of genuinely vital interests, rather than a global chessboard.
  15. @syonredux

    Jager was of Dutch and Japanese ancestry, fitting the multicultural world Obama was only starting to leave behind. They were a natural fit.
     

    In Garrow’s telling, Obama made emotional judgments on political grounds. A close mutual friend of the couple recalls Obama explaining that “the lines are very clearly drawn. . . . If I am going out with a white woman, I have no standing here.”
     
    Interesting. I've noticed that Asian-White mixes tend to be labeled White.

    Interesting. I’ve noticed that Asian-White mixes tend to be labeled White.

    Apparently Asian-black mixes are black. See Tiger Woods.

    I’ve mentioned several times that a large majority of Asian-white mixes identify as white in the U.S. and that a sizable fraction of American-born “pure” Asians identify as whites as well (posted a link to the survey several times, but can’t find it now).

    • Replies: @e
    Apparently Asian-black mixes are black. See Tiger Woods.

    I've no idea about other Asian-black mixes, but Tiger, new to the world of professional golf and media frenzy, spoke openly in a couple of early interviews of his identification with his mother's ethnicity and culture. He did not identify as black. Nike shut him up-quickly. After all, he was their new symbol. Which Tiger offered promise of the most riches? Asian Tiger? Black Tiger? No contest.

    At some point, they did take advantage of his Asian heritage with arranging visits to that part of the world, but at home? Black.

    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    I find blacks (and half-blacks) to be their own unique case, regardless of class/education/parentage. There appears to be either a political and or instinctive/natural rejection of , for lack of a better term, whiteness. I doubt most Asians identify themselves as "white"which in their minds they might substitute for mainstream success. I'm sure they just sensibly identify as educated, successful. So far there is no political downside to doing so; however, there is a rising strain (mainly in activist/academia) to force Asians to explicitly define themselves contra "white". I recently flew on Korean Air. It was a very well-run airlines and South Korea is a well-organized and productive society. The same could be said for most East Asian peoples and countries. If a black American were to behave like those Korean pilots or flight attendants--or, say, took school as seriously as SK students do--in the US, they would likely be perceived as identifying as white. P.S. To his credit Tiger Woods was attacked for not identifying solely as white and for having an obvious preference for white women, which, ironically, was the blackest thing about him, though his apparent desire to urinate on them does complicate the psychological profile.
  16. No doubt for the near future we will be treated to a parade of biographical information about our 44th president fleshing out the portrait of a hollow, repellent narcissist.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    Narcissism is more-or-less at the core of every movement going significantly against the trend or charting radically new ground. Almost everyone making big waves is going to have a large amount of narcissism in their personality.

    Narcissists are like anyone else: not to be trusted and functioning best in an environment of active accountability. In other words, the election of Donald Trump is the beginning and not the end of the necessity of Tea Parties, nationalist, and identity movements.
  17. @Twinkie

    Note how it was as much about Obama himself as any success he had in his organizing work.
     

    Jager soon came to realize, she told Garrow, that Obama had “a deep-seated need to be loved and admired.”
     
    This is stereotypically very politician-like.

    Most politicians crave adulation, especially mass adulation (rather than close personal relationships). For them, personal relationships are generally transactional. And they are invariably the centers in their own solar systems, in which even their children are mere satellites, almost cardboard cutouts meant to make their politician parent more attractive in the eyes of the electorate.

    The HBO show "Veep" presents, comically, but sadly, an excellent portrayal of politicians and their ambitious, but ultimately petty self-absorption.

    Barack came across to them like “a white, middle-class kid,” a close family friend said
     
    Obama's "son" might be a thug, but apparently he was a son of his white mother and grandparents.

    A close mutual friend of the couple recalls Obama explaining that “the lines are very clearly drawn. . . . If I am going out with a white woman, I have no standing here.” …
     
    I wonder how the former First Lady feels about being a tool of political advancement and how she reacted when she figured it out.

    I have always assumed that politicians are narcissistic psychopaths

    • Replies: @black sea
    I think that's a reasonable default assumption. That's one reason why I find it difficult to identify with the passions of those who view Politician X or Y as a savior, or champion of the cause (whatever the cause is).

    Politicians generally strike me as somewhat creepy and manipulative megalomaniacs, and I suspect the role they play in our society only intensifies these already inherent traits. A reasonably honest and ethical person would simply find it too psychologically disruptive to engage in the kind of stuff that politicians have to treat as the everyday "givens" of their chosen profession.

    I'm not saying it's impossible to maintain some ethical compass in the world of politics, but I'm sure it's damn difficult, and exhausting for those who try, and eventually it wears out people who aren't by nature inclined to do or say whatever greases the machine, and to hell with the consequences.

    , @Mike Zwick
    The most effective politicians are the old corrupt politicians who realize that they have to deliver to voters to keep the gravy train going. The ones that are there to save or change the world are the most dangerous.
  18. “New Obama Bio”. Sure to be a bestseller. 🙂

  19. @jim jones
    I have always assumed that politicians are narcissistic psychopaths

    I think that’s a reasonable default assumption. That’s one reason why I find it difficult to identify with the passions of those who view Politician X or Y as a savior, or champion of the cause (whatever the cause is).

    Politicians generally strike me as somewhat creepy and manipulative megalomaniacs, and I suspect the role they play in our society only intensifies these already inherent traits. A reasonably honest and ethical person would simply find it too psychologically disruptive to engage in the kind of stuff that politicians have to treat as the everyday “givens” of their chosen profession.

    I’m not saying it’s impossible to maintain some ethical compass in the world of politics, but I’m sure it’s damn difficult, and exhausting for those who try, and eventually it wears out people who aren’t by nature inclined to do or say whatever greases the machine, and to hell with the consequences.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    Yep. The process of climbing the ladder up toward national level political success selects for sociopaths.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    It's important to keep in mind that this relationship between politician and public is reciprocal:

    "We keep electing sociopaths because what we want from our leaders is impossible and only liars would promise it to us." - Brainsturbator
    , @res
    Any thoughts on how this has changed across cultures or time?
    , @RonaldB
    Roosevelt was supposed to have said to a group of advocates who came to see him:

    You convinced me. Now go back home and put pressure on me.


    The most ethical person, and the most psychopathic dictator both need to stay within the boundaries of broad public consensus. It is therefore unrealistic to expect an elected official in such a humongous geopolitical entity as the US to carry any coherent set of positions by himself. To me, this means smaller countries and more grass roots interest groups...oh, and a more homogeneous electorate, position-wise, if not ethnic-wise.
  20. @Twinkie

    Note how it was as much about Obama himself as any success he had in his organizing work.
     

    Jager soon came to realize, she told Garrow, that Obama had “a deep-seated need to be loved and admired.”
     
    This is stereotypically very politician-like.

    Most politicians crave adulation, especially mass adulation (rather than close personal relationships). For them, personal relationships are generally transactional. And they are invariably the centers in their own solar systems, in which even their children are mere satellites, almost cardboard cutouts meant to make their politician parent more attractive in the eyes of the electorate.

    The HBO show "Veep" presents, comically, but sadly, an excellent portrayal of politicians and their ambitious, but ultimately petty self-absorption.

    Barack came across to them like “a white, middle-class kid,” a close family friend said
     
    Obama's "son" might be a thug, but apparently he was a son of his white mother and grandparents.

    A close mutual friend of the couple recalls Obama explaining that “the lines are very clearly drawn. . . . If I am going out with a white woman, I have no standing here.” …
     
    I wonder how the former First Lady feels about being a tool of political advancement and how she reacted when she figured it out.

    I wonder how the former First Lady feels about being a tool of political advancement and how she reacted when she figured it out.

    Her reactions/face seem to settle easily into resentful/bitter expressions. But those might date to youth or genetics.

    Like Ms. Rodham or Bubba, Michelle Robinson was likely resigned to a particular marriage arrangement in exchange for being part of Barry’s advancement.

    In Michelle Robinson’s case obviously her ambition outstripped her capacities. There is nothing positive-exceptional about her that I’ve been able to find. Where would she have gone, given her lackluster school and career performance?

    To be wanted precisely for being a blackety black woman after finding her niche in Ed Biz race-based proto-SJW career-mongering? Where else could she get that…and with the entire press corps pandering and photoshopping her?

    People enter transactional marriages because they want something that alliance with another may provide. As you say, politicians do this often…even having offspring as game pieces.

    Some marriages are founded on people being each others’ game pieces. The price tag of having no deep emotional connection to one’s mate comes later. If it comes at all: like all other human capacities, the one for companionate, affectionate marriage is not equally distributed.

    And never forget where we were a mere 9-10 years ago:

    http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
    An empress paraded through town,
    Not a stitch on her frame, toe to crown.
    No child drew alarm;
    There was surely no harm,
    A la mode in her coat of dark brown.
  21. It would have been nice if some reporters had, ya know, investigated Obama’s past and reported on it before he got elected president.

    Or if they’d investigated his actions as president and reported on it while he was president.

    A major past girlfriend he lived with and asked to marry him, and yet gets no mention in his famously “brilliant” autobiographies? What a con. Man, Barry O. really did use a lot of cheap street tricks to get his presidency, but his black privilege protected him.

  22. On Barack Obama apparently being in fact a gay man, with ‘Michelle Obama’ having undergone a sex change operation after being born as Michael LaVaughn Robinson, & their daughters adopted from Morocco … first, Barack Obama’s tongue slips and he accidentally refers to his wife as ‘Michael’ – video, 24 seconds

    And USA TV personality Joan Rivers acknowledging that Barack Obama is gay, with his wife ‘Michelle’ in fact a sex-change ‘tranny’ … 2 months before Joan Rivers turned up dead, video, 40 seconds

    In the late 1960s, Barack’s mother appointed Evie, an openly gay Indonesian male, as Barack’s nanny … Young Barack Obama for a time was a male prostitute to support his drug habit

    Michelle Obama, [former] First Lady of the United States, was born Michael LaVaughn Robinson in Chicago, Illinois on January 17th, 1964. He was the second son born to Fraser Robinson III, a well known cocaine dealer & union thug for Crime Lord / Mayor Richard J. Daley, & Marian Shields Robinson, a transient street prostitute who was diagnosed with the HIV virus in 1998. He [Michael] was a popular high school athlete & in 1982, he accepted a scholarship to play middle linebacker for the Oregon State Beavers.

    After finishing a respectable rookie season with 88 tackles & 7.5 sacks, Michael suddenly dropped out of the school. Fellow teammates observed that Robinson could regularly be heard lamenting over how he is a “woman trapped inside a man’s body”, & on January 13th, 1983, he underwent sex reassignment surgery at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. To hide his new identity, Michael left Oregon State to attend Princeton University under his new legal name, “Michelle Robinson”. Years later, he met Barry Obama Jr. … They subsequently married and adopted two children.

    Officially, Barack & Michelle Obama have two daughters: Malia Ann, born on July 4, 1998, & Natasha (known as Sasha), born on June 10, 2001 … we have seen a startling lack of pictures from the early years of Malia and Sasha, who have little physical resemblance to Barack or ‘Michelle’

    There is information in regards to Michelle & Barack Obama travelling to Morocco in 2000-2001 … There is a statement of an individual who alleges that she worked in the US embassy in Morocco when Obamas went through an international adoption there

    • LOL: Alden
  23. “While the crucible of self-creation had produced an ironclad will, the vessel was hollow at its core.”

    This is a weird lubbery thing to say.

    All hulls, including those of ironclad vessels, are hollow at the core. They’d have a hard time displacing water and hauling goods and crew if they didn’t.

    To turn displacement into (profitable) voyage requires a smart, solid, steady captain topside and a well-drilled crew.

    What Obama lacked was precisely this type of internally resident executive functionality.

    That pawny quality can be lucrative where a politician-figurehead-minstrel-pop culture savior is concerned. But don’t try to run a ship, never mind a shipping line, that way.

    • Replies: @Chriscom
    Yeah, I'd like to think the guy knows how to write, having won a Pulitzer, but that's precious and over-achieving for one little sentence. It's the kind of thing one of my Shakespeare teachers furiously red-inked in my essays. Fortunately.

    Crucible is one of those words that should be banned, like limned.
  24. Maybe when we think we see gayness, it’s actually his distaste for black women.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Barry probably felt double the normal black male dislike for black females since he never grew up around them. He was basically the perfect token black friend living amongst non-blacks and then, all of a sudden, he realized that if he wanted a political career he'd have to grab one. So right after he realized his career was number one he grabbed the nearest one that was best for his career---the First Tranny, with her connections to Jesse Jackson and her own legal abilities---and resigned himself to misery in marriage.

    It's astonishing what many of these super-narcissists will do to themselves to achieve their goals of personal glory. Bill got into bed with Hillary, and Barry with Michelle. Yeeech. The R's choose political wives too, but at least they pick pretty ones who seem, on the surface, to be pleasant wives. Barbara Bush, Laura Bush, Ann Romney, John McCain's wife, Nancy Reagan, Liddy Dole---all were lookers when they were first married to their guys.

    , @fitzGetty
    ...especially for those Built. Like. Men.
  25. @kihowi
    Maybe when we think we see gayness, it's actually his distaste for black women.

    Barry probably felt double the normal black male dislike for black females since he never grew up around them. He was basically the perfect token black friend living amongst non-blacks and then, all of a sudden, he realized that if he wanted a political career he’d have to grab one. So right after he realized his career was number one he grabbed the nearest one that was best for his career—the First Tranny, with her connections to Jesse Jackson and her own legal abilities—and resigned himself to misery in marriage.

    It’s astonishing what many of these super-narcissists will do to themselves to achieve their goals of personal glory. Bill got into bed with Hillary, and Barry with Michelle. Yeeech. The R’s choose political wives too, but at least they pick pretty ones who seem, on the surface, to be pleasant wives. Barbara Bush, Laura Bush, Ann Romney, John McCain’s wife, Nancy Reagan, Liddy Dole—all were lookers when they were first married to their guys.

  26. 1987 was a good time to stop being gay since dudes were dropping dead left and right from AIDS. It appears he left NY in 1985 at the height of the panic. Chicago was relatively untouched compared to NY and San Fran.

    The Republican governor at the time (Jim Thompson) was/is gay. The mayor, Harold Washington, was gay. Dennis Hastert was still coaching wrestling.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    1987 was a good time to stop being gay since dudes were dropping dead left and right from AIDS. It appears he left NY in 1985 at the height of the panic. Chicago was relatively untouched compared to NY and San Fran.

    Actually, it was all over the place in 1985, when thousands of new cases were diagnosed every quarter. The number of new diagnoses peaked around 1992 and the census of patients around 1995. The annual death toll crashed around 2002-03.

    The Republican governor at the time (Jim Thompson) was/is gay.

    In your imagination.


    The mayor, Harold Washington, was gay.

    In the imagination of prankster David K. Nelson.

    Dennis Hastert was still coaching wrestling.

    Hastert quit coaching in 1981.

  27. Not surprising at all, politicians are essentially hollow shells of people—every move is calculated to advance their ambitions.

    What is surprising is that the WaPo gave it such a glowing review. I suppose they had to, since Garrow is a respected biographer already. Note the timing of this release though, conveniently after Obama’s tenure in office. I wonder if this was part of the deal Garrow struck with Obama’s former girlfriend.

    Although, ultimately Garrow pulls some punches (the most damning ones, too):

    Garrow recently spoke about his book on The Jamie Weinstein Show. When asked about Obama experimenting with homosexuality, Garrow replied, “I think anyone and everyone, no matter what their role in life deserves a certain basic degree of privacy, in that context.”

    Come on, seriously? Not gonna report your findings that Obama had gay lovers?

  28. Amazing to me how totally fake and contrived this guy is, yet he managed to bamboozle the American public for eight years. What’s particularly amazing is how blacks followed him like the Pied Piper, when his blackness was so obviously a learned role, a put-on, an affectation.

  29. @candid_observer
    I do find myself wondering how our media will choose to destroy, as they must, Garrow's book, and his reputation.

    Kakutani's typically incompetent, ham-handed diatribe in the NY Times isn't going to do the job:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/books/review-rising-star-making-of-barack-obama-david-garrow.html?_r=1

    Thing is, Garrow has won a Pulitzer Prize. How do you pretend he and his book don't exist, and are unworthy?

    @Candid_Observer,
    Garrow’s book about Martin Luther King Jr. goes into detail about King’s adultery, plagiarism, and his later embrace of Marxism. So, I don’t think his conclusions about Obama will hurt his reputation.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    I think that Garrow's reputation had been established in an era -- the late eighties -- in which well grounded truth still trumped issues of politics. Thus, in that age, if Garrow could produce irrefutable evidence that MLK Jr was an adulterer, plagiarist, etc., then, as unpleasant as that truth might be, he was considered to be doing good journalism.

    I don't think this is any longer true, as the shortest inspection of such publications as the NY Times and The New Yorker makes manifest.

  30. I think it’s clear that Michelle was a marriage of convenience. The odds of someone from his background marrying Michelle are pretty slim.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    I doubt it was a marriage of convenience--more likely, Michelle combined the intellectual and educational background Obama needed in a wife to be able to talk to her and the cultural background (authentic American black) he wishes he had. They seem a *much* more natural couple than Jeb and his wife, say.
  31. “I’ve always wondered who set them up: maybe Timothy Geithner’s dad, who worked with Obama’s mom?”

    Golly, what a coincidence.

    “Obama began toting around a Bible and exhibited “a greater religious faith than close acquaintances had ever previously sensed.””

    Perhaps the verb should be “professed” rather than “exhibited”.

  32. @Lot
    Looks long and boring. I liked the short summary of his old girlfriend. It would be nice to read the page about young Obama considering going gay:

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/26/new-biography-young-obama-considered-gayness-amazon1/

    As well as the details about the cocaine use.

    When asked about Obama experimenting with homosexuality, Garrow replied, “I think anyone and everyone, no matter what their role in life deserves a certain basic degree of privacy, in that context.”

    Meaning “yes he did”. So the usual question: who knew and on what subjects did they blackmail him?

    • Replies: @Rod1963
    I'm sure his sponsors knew all about his sexual peccadilloes.

    And it explains why he married a female gorilla instead of a hot looking black babe. It's probably all he could get. The thing is gays in the black community aren't that well liked, they are on the outs. And no self-respecting black woman is going to hook up with one because of the shit she's gonna take from other blacks.
    , @candid_observer
    One could also take Garrow's statement here as a shot across the bow to Obama or anyone else who might go after Garrow: attack me, and I'll reveal more.
    , @candid_observer
    “I think anyone and everyone, no matter what their role in life deserves a certain basic degree of privacy, in that context.”

    This is indeed a very strange thing to say if you could truthfully say instead "No, I found no real evidence that he had experimented around."

  33. @black sea
    I think that's a reasonable default assumption. That's one reason why I find it difficult to identify with the passions of those who view Politician X or Y as a savior, or champion of the cause (whatever the cause is).

    Politicians generally strike me as somewhat creepy and manipulative megalomaniacs, and I suspect the role they play in our society only intensifies these already inherent traits. A reasonably honest and ethical person would simply find it too psychologically disruptive to engage in the kind of stuff that politicians have to treat as the everyday "givens" of their chosen profession.

    I'm not saying it's impossible to maintain some ethical compass in the world of politics, but I'm sure it's damn difficult, and exhausting for those who try, and eventually it wears out people who aren't by nature inclined to do or say whatever greases the machine, and to hell with the consequences.

    Yep. The process of climbing the ladder up toward national level political success selects for sociopaths.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    That's certainly true at the national level.

    At the lower levels, not so much. I currently know three state senators pretty well, and that's not unusual or a big deal. They're just guys whose lines of work put them in contact with the public and with civic leaders. They each decided to take on a part-time political job that involves driving to the state capital a lot and voting on shit.

    It's the kind of natural move that we expect in America. We're supposed to govern ourselves, so somebody has to do it. That's not to say that they don't want ego-gratification and that they don't represent their own, little cliques of economic interest; they do.

    It's neither glamorous nor lucrative, but they do get special license plates, which may persuade highway patrolmen to ignore a little spirited driving. Gotta go vote on the latest legislation, after all! (Wink)

  34. NOTA says:
    @Ed
    I think it's clear that Michelle was a marriage of convenience. The odds of someone from his background marrying Michelle are pretty slim.

    I doubt it was a marriage of convenience–more likely, Michelle combined the intellectual and educational background Obama needed in a wife to be able to talk to her and the cultural background (authentic American black) he wishes he had. They seem a *much* more natural couple than Jeb and his wife, say.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    I don't see how Michelle's affirmative action degree from Princeton adds any intellect to the Obama's marriage. That she was an authentic American black was no doubt a positive factor for him, but I think that he is obviously smarter than Michelle was just as big a factor. A narcissist like Barack Obama is not going to want a wife who is his intellectual equal.
  35. @candid_observer
    I do find myself wondering how our media will choose to destroy, as they must, Garrow's book, and his reputation.

    Kakutani's typically incompetent, ham-handed diatribe in the NY Times isn't going to do the job:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/books/review-rising-star-making-of-barack-obama-david-garrow.html?_r=1

    Thing is, Garrow has won a Pulitzer Prize. How do you pretend he and his book don't exist, and are unworthy?

    Kakutani’s typically incompetent, ham-handed diatribe in the NY Times

    I’m just glad you wrote this.

  36. Xyz says:

    Why has it taken almost a decade for this amount of detail about his early life to come out in the mainstream media? Any other President would have had the media outing this woman during the 2008 Primary. We knew this level of info about Romney’s grade school shenanigans minutes after he won his first Primary.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @MB
    We're talking about the new Magic Negro which is what Rousseau's Noble Savage unpolluted by Western cancer civilization has morphed into these days, along with the other usual suspect minorities: Homosexuals, feminist women, transgenders etc.

    FTM Buchanan, Spengler, and others including Steve and Stix, have mentioned the 20 years GW Obama spent in the black version of a KKK church which would have been more than enough to torpedo any white or Rethuglican candidate.

    [BTW Steve, congratulations on letting the bigtime catch up with you. ]
    , @MBlanc46
    Obama's a Dem and Romney's a Repub?
  37. @jim jones
    I have always assumed that politicians are narcissistic psychopaths

    The most effective politicians are the old corrupt politicians who realize that they have to deliver to voters to keep the gravy train going. The ones that are there to save or change the world are the most dangerous.

  38. @Jean Ralphio
    This isn't really covering any new ground, is it?

    One little remarked on fact about Obama that's always seemed interesting is his cigarette smoking. Who was the last president to smoke cigs, LBJ? Smoking has been looked down on as a really low class habit for awhile now so it's interesting, though probably not surprising, that he got a pass on it. Wasn't he still occasionally smoking when he was elected in 2008? Also, what's the significance of the cocaine use, other than the fact that you would not want to be cornered by this guy at a party when he was coked up?

    I seem to recall that Laura Bush smoked, and had a tacit agreement with the media not to photograph her with a cigarette because she didn’t want to influence young people. Which is laudatory, because despite our efforts to paint it as declasse’, having a cigarette just looks cool and feels cool. I’d smoke, but cancer or COPD is not a good way to go.

    The significance of the cocaine use to me is that he was able to walk away from it. Of the four people I knew who used cocaine, all four destroyed their lives with it.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    I assume the war on cigarettes is just the standard government strategy of humiliating and terrifying the citizen population. My father smoked for forty years (he was actually given a cigarette ration while in the RAF) and lived until the age of eighty-seven.
    , @Desiderius

    The significance of the cocaine use to me is that he was able to walk away from it. Of the four people I knew who used cocaine, all four destroyed their lives with it.
     
    Did he though?

    The abrupt change in personality described by Miyoshi-Jager sounds like the mania brought on by a coke habit.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    The significance of the cocaine use to me is that he was able to walk away from it. Of the four people I knew who used cocaine, all four destroyed their lives with it.
     
    Cocaine can be a very destructive drug, but I can't help but strongly suspect you probably know more than four people who've done cocaine. The one's who's lives it didn't destroy, simply never mentioned it to you.
  39. @candid_observer
    I do find myself wondering how our media will choose to destroy, as they must, Garrow's book, and his reputation.

    Kakutani's typically incompetent, ham-handed diatribe in the NY Times isn't going to do the job:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/books/review-rising-star-making-of-barack-obama-david-garrow.html?_r=1

    Thing is, Garrow has won a Pulitzer Prize. How do you pretend he and his book don't exist, and are unworthy?

    Thanks for the link to the NYT’s review – it is interesting to read both. Neither reviewer mentions anything about the issue of Obama’s place of birth. I guess Garrow passed over that question.

    • Replies: @Sammler
    Obama's birthplace is no longer interesting. It didn't shape his personality, and the related legal issues are now moot.
    , @Art Deco
    There is no 'issue of his place of birth'. He was born in Honolulu. There's a crew of hobbyists who amuse themselves pretending he was not. Garrow's not among them, nor is anyone of sense.
  40. @Lot
    Looks long and boring. I liked the short summary of his old girlfriend. It would be nice to read the page about young Obama considering going gay:

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/26/new-biography-young-obama-considered-gayness-amazon1/

    As well as the details about the cocaine use.

    From the linked piece:

    “Three years later, Obama wrote somewhat elusively to his first intimate girlfriend that he had thought about and considered gayness, but ultimately had decided that a same-sex relationship would be less challenging and demanding than developing one with the opposite sex,” Garrow wrote.

    I’m sorry: What?!! Who has ever resolved sexual confusion that way?

    He’s just bullshitting his girlfriend there, trying to sound thoughtful by spewing what is obvious nonsense to anyone but him. Apparently with the young BHO, it was bullshit all the way down.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Sammler
    I'm not 100% certain of that. Today's accepted understanding is that homosexuality is fixed from birth, but 50 years ago it was defended as a "lifestyle choice", and 100 years ago J M Keynes famously gave up his beta boys and took a wife.
    , @Desiderius
    It was likely bullshit, but like a lot of Obama's bullshit it contained enough truth to disguise some of the taste.

    Opposite-sex is in fact more challenging and demanding, same-sex a way to dodge maturity.
    , @27 year old
    Someone who was autistic might think that way. Or someone who was a sociopath. Or maybe just really really narcissistic, I dunno, I've never thought like that, but it doesn't seem that strange to me. If you assume that he doesn't view other people as actual full humans and just props or extras, then it kind of makes sense.
    , @anon

    “Three years later, Obama wrote somewhat elusively to his first intimate girlfriend that he had thought about and considered gayness, but ultimately had decided that a same-sex relationship would be less challenging and demanding than developing one with the opposite sex,” Garrow wrote.
     
    Weird how he was able to just change his genes like that.

    Is "Born This Way" not the narrative anymore?
    , @candid_observer
    Yeah, reading that passage, I conclude that Obama had already experienced very real gay inclinations -- inclinations that almost certainly wouldn't go away. He chose to be heterosexual because it's more demanding? Yeah, that's going to make his nerves jangle when he looks at a woman rather than a man. And I don't exactly see marriage -- least of all to Michelle -- putting a damper on those inclinations. I can see a woman entertaining both homosexuality and heterosexuality, and choosing one rather deliberately -- but not a man, whose sexual impulses are far more urgent.

    The overall picture here is of a guy who decides, based on his long term plans, what he's going to be -- e.g., "heterosexual" or "black" -- and lives out that life.

    I have to wonder if one fine day we won't hear about Obama's long hidden love for another man. Or will he go full Liberace, in denial to the end?

    I have to wonder as well how this is going to affect what looks to me to be the rather shaky marriage between Michelle and Barack. (What was Barack doing those several weeks alone in the South Pacific? In how many healthy marriages would that happen?) I don't really see Michelle being the tolerant type who will put up with the disrespect that comes with being identified as a beard, especially in the black community.

    , @James Kabala
    Does the book ever quote the letter directly? I distrust a paraphrase. It seems hard to think of any way in which the real quote could be less damning, but I would still like to know exactly what Obama really wrote.
    , @Inquiring Mind
    Do you think that claiming gay proclivities to break up with his first girlfriend could be a version of the George Costanza from Seinfeld break-up line "It's not you, its me"?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uAj4wBIU-8

    "You're givin' me the its not you it's me routine? I invented its not you, it's me!"

    , @Opinionator
    Was she even his girlfriend at that time?
  41. @Olorin

    “While the crucible of self-creation had produced an ironclad will, the vessel was hollow at its core.”
     
    This is a weird lubbery thing to say.

    All hulls, including those of ironclad vessels, are hollow at the core. They'd have a hard time displacing water and hauling goods and crew if they didn't.

    To turn displacement into (profitable) voyage requires a smart, solid, steady captain topside and a well-drilled crew.

    What Obama lacked was precisely this type of internally resident executive functionality.

    That pawny quality can be lucrative where a politician-figurehead-minstrel-pop culture savior is concerned. But don't try to run a ship, never mind a shipping line, that way.

    Yeah, I’d like to think the guy knows how to write, having won a Pulitzer, but that’s precious and over-achieving for one little sentence. It’s the kind of thing one of my Shakespeare teachers furiously red-inked in my essays. Fortunately.

    Crucible is one of those words that should be banned, like limned.

  42. Well, I guess it’s nice that the least vetted Presidential candidate in the modern era is finally getting a bit of attention. I wonder if there are any other interesting snippets in the book that might have been missed (i.e. deliberately ignored) by the reviewers?

    The fact that the press never uncovered any of this either during the initial campaign or during eight years of his Presidency only provides further proof — as if we needed any — that they are duplicitous liars and slavish suck-ups when their guy is in power.

    • Replies: @iSteve Fan
    The fact that Team Hillary never uncovered any of this is further proof she's the most incompetent national level would be politician in recent memory.
  43. During those days, Barack Obama had an oreo problem. Which was a function of his not being born of a black woman.

    If he had married Jager, he never would have been President.

    Instead, he wound up marrying a black woman. Which instantly meant that his oreo problems were solved, and that black voters (i.e. middle aged and elderly black women) would never question his black bona fides.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  44. @black sea
    I think that's a reasonable default assumption. That's one reason why I find it difficult to identify with the passions of those who view Politician X or Y as a savior, or champion of the cause (whatever the cause is).

    Politicians generally strike me as somewhat creepy and manipulative megalomaniacs, and I suspect the role they play in our society only intensifies these already inherent traits. A reasonably honest and ethical person would simply find it too psychologically disruptive to engage in the kind of stuff that politicians have to treat as the everyday "givens" of their chosen profession.

    I'm not saying it's impossible to maintain some ethical compass in the world of politics, but I'm sure it's damn difficult, and exhausting for those who try, and eventually it wears out people who aren't by nature inclined to do or say whatever greases the machine, and to hell with the consequences.

    It’s important to keep in mind that this relationship between politician and public is reciprocal:

    “We keep electing sociopaths because what we want from our leaders is impossible and only liars would promise it to us.” – Brainsturbator

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    “We keep electing sociopaths because what we want from our leaders is impossible and only liars would promise it to us.” – Brainsturbator

    Elections tell you, in a rough way, what people will put up with. Among the general run of voters, that means just about anything but property tax hikes, poisons in the drinking water, mismanaging emergency response to an ice storm or blizzard, cancelling the football season (in Texas), or doing something that makes you look risible. Otherwise, politicians can get away with just about anything. Black voters will cast a ballot for any Democratic incumbent who has not lost face according to a set of criteria occult to most other voters. Coleman Young and Marion Barry each served four terms each, dreadful performance notwithstanding.

    Most of the foregoing has little impact on those in legislative positions. There, the problem for the incumbent politician is a challenger with the spunk and funding to put him under a magnifying glass. That doesn't happen all that often.

  45. @The Anti-Gnostic
    I seem to recall that Laura Bush smoked, and had a tacit agreement with the media not to photograph her with a cigarette because she didn't want to influence young people. Which is laudatory, because despite our efforts to paint it as declasse', having a cigarette just looks cool and feels cool. I'd smoke, but cancer or COPD is not a good way to go.

    The significance of the cocaine use to me is that he was able to walk away from it. Of the four people I knew who used cocaine, all four destroyed their lives with it.

    I assume the war on cigarettes is just the standard government strategy of humiliating and terrifying the citizen population. My father smoked for forty years (he was actually given a cigarette ration while in the RAF) and lived until the age of eighty-seven.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Sample sizes of one are not the best way of resolving public health questions.
    , @Art Deco
    You smoke cigarettes all your life, your probability of being cut down by lung cancer increases 30-fold over what it would be had you never smoked. It declines if you quit, but at a leisurely pace. Emphysema is another risk. If the risk is worth it to you it's worth it to you, but no one's conning you. (Among my first and 2d degree relations, I've had 4 with emphysema and 1 with lung cancer - all l/t smokers; 1 l/t smoker avoided both).
    , @okie
    The risk with cigarettes is only 1 in 3 in have any health effects, but the health effects are pretty damn serious. Feel lucky that your pop was in the lucky 66%. My pop had a heart attack @ 55 and was a 2 pack a day unfiltered pall mall smoker, that happens to a lot of smokers in much higher ratios than the nons, disregarding the cancer and respiratory issues. I don't smoke and find the current demonizing of the habit distasteful, but i am aware of the odds and can't see the narcotic of it being worth a 1/3 chance of a reduced life.
    , @Stan Adams
    My grandfather smoked for over fifty years. He began at 13 and quit at 66, shortly before he died of lung cancer.

    My uncle was lucky - he lost only his jaw to cancer. In his mid-50s, he could pass for a man twenty or (on a bad day) thirty years his senior. (He later succumbed to liver disease - he was a heavy drinker, as well.)

    Neither of my parents smoke or drink, and I have taken after them. (Both are teetotalers from alcoholic families.)
  46. I want to extend heartfelt thanks to Mr Sailer. Thanks to his work over the past ten years, none of Garrow’s revelations are the least bit surprising. They are details, filling in a framework we already understand.

  47. @slumber_j
    From the linked piece:

    “Three years later, Obama wrote somewhat elusively to his first intimate girlfriend that he had thought about and considered gayness, but ultimately had decided that a same-sex relationship would be less challenging and demanding than developing one with the opposite sex,” Garrow wrote.
     
    I'm sorry: What?!! Who has ever resolved sexual confusion that way?

    He's just bullshitting his girlfriend there, trying to sound thoughtful by spewing what is obvious nonsense to anyone but him. Apparently with the young BHO, it was bullshit all the way down.

    I’m not 100% certain of that. Today’s accepted understanding is that homosexuality is fixed from birth, but 50 years ago it was defended as a “lifestyle choice”, and 100 years ago J M Keynes famously gave up his beta boys and took a wife.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Today’s accepted understanding is that homosexuality is fixed from birth,

    Accepted by whom? Discordant identical twin sets are more common than homosexual identical twin sets.
  48. I remember very clearly when this transformation happened, and I remember very specifically that by 1987, about a year into our relationship, he already had his sights on becoming president.

    A certain Steve Diamond has written about the acquaintance of Obama and Ayers in a blog called King Harvest. Basic information about Diamond:

    http://law.scu.edu/faculty/profile/diamond-stephen

    Because of Diamond’s early blog articles about Obama and Ayers, he received information from people who knew something something about Obama and Ayers. One of Diamond’s blog articles was titled “Barack Obama’s Visit to the Other Ayers House”, which passed on information Diamond had received from a man named Allen Hulton. This informant was the mailman who delivered mail to the home of Tom and May Ayers, the parents of Bill Ayers.

    The King Harvest blog has disappeared, so I can’t review it or link to it. However, the following excerpt from the article still is available.

    [MORE]

    Barack Obama visited the house of Tom and Mary Ayers, parents of former Weather Underground activist turned education professor Bill Ayers, in the mid-1980s to thank the Ayers’ for their support of his education, according to Allen Hulton, the letter carrier who delivered mail to the Ayers’ Glen Ellyn home at that time. Glen Ellyn is a suburb of Chicago, southwest of the city.

    At the time of their encounter, Hulton recalls, Obama “looked about 19 years old” but was probably in his early 20s. Obama graduated from Columbia University in 1983 and moved to Chicago in 1985 at age 24 or 25 …

    “Mrs. Ayers told me that her family had been helping out a brilliant young black man,” Hulton said and whom he believes she said was from Kenya. Hulton said that over the period of six to ten years that he delivered mail to the Ayers home he had numerous conversations with Mrs. Ayers, one conversation with Thomas Ayers and several brief encounters with Bernardine Dohrn who he said lived at the home for several months at one point in time. He never met or saw Bill Ayers at the home.

    Hulton explained that he knew Tim Ayers, the son of Tom and brother of Bill, when they were both students at Glenbard High School, which draws students from the towns of Glen Ellyn and Lombard, Illinois. Over time the Ayers’ parents became aware of the connection to their son Tim and that led to a friendlier relationship between Hulton and Tom and Mary Ayers.

    “They tipped me generously at Christmas-time,” Hulton recalled.

    One day Hulton found himself on the sidewalk outside the Ayers home at 199 N. Montclair Avenue near the corner of Revere Road just after he had delivered the mail. The house was “very nice and attractive and more expensive than some in Glen Ellyn because it was closer to downtown, but it did not stand out among the houses on that block.” He said the largest and most expensive homes were actually on Revere, around the corner from the Ayers’ home.

    As Hulton was on the sidewalk walking away from the Ayers house a tall and thin young black man was coming up the same sidewalk towards the Ayers house.

    Hulton recalls that Obama said hello and introduced himself and stopped to chat with him in front of the Ayers house. “I recall that his ears stuck out a little bit. He was more gaunt then than he appears now. His name was an unusual one and when I saw his photo during the campaign it brought back my memory of the event,” Hulton said.

    Mr. Obama explained that he had taken the train out from Chicago to visit the Ayers’ in order to thank them for their help with his “education.” At this time, Mr. Obama had recently graduated from Columbia and would soon enter Harvard Law School. Hulton and Obama “spoke for a few minutes, first chatting about the Ayers family,” Hulton said. Hulton said he did not learn whether the help Obama received from the Ayers’ was financial or in some other form.”

    Hulton agreed that it was an exceptional event to encounter a black man on his route and that Obama may have felt it prudent to introduce himself to the letter carrier before approaching the Ayers house. …

    Mr. Hulton recalls that he probably asked what Mr. Obama was studying in school and at one point Mr. Obama said that he intended to become President of the United States. Mr. Hulton said he was “taken aback” by the statement but recalls that he did not think Mr. Obama was “arrogant, but just self assured and a person with a lot of self confidence.” “It was not said with hubris,” Hulton recalled, “but with an air of self-assuredness.”

    “I told him there was no reason why he couldn’t become president,” Hulton recalled. Obama was dressed “nicely but casually, a slacks and shirt, not jeans and a t-shirt, but definitely not a coat or tie,” he said. After the brief conversation Hulton continued on his route and did not turn back to see whether the Ayers’ were at home or whether Obama entered their house.

    Hulton delivered mail in Glen Ellyn for 39 years with two years off to serve in the U.S. military. He retired in 2001 and is now 66 years old. [Diamond’s blog] King Harvest confirmed his employment as a letter carrier with Ray Wasz, Finance Supervisor of the Glen Ellyn Post Office. ….

    For more analysis of Hulton’s claim, see Jerome Corsi’s article titled “Postman: Ayers Family Put ‘Foreigner’ Obama Through School”.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/postman-ayers-family-put-foreigner-obama-through-school/

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester
    Jerome Corsi figured that the encounter between mailman Allen Hulton and Barack Obama occurred in the summer of 1989, when Obama was about 28 years old.

    A likely timeframe for Hulton’s alleged encounter with Obama is the summer of 1989, when Obama was an intern at the Chicago law firm Sidley Austin, after his first year at Harvard Law School.

    Hulton says Obama mentioned to him taking the train. The Metra, a commuter from downtown Chicago, stops at a Glen Ellyn station a little more than a mile from the Ayers’ residence.

    Michelle Robinson, Obama’s wife-to-be, was the attorney at the firm assigned to mentor Obama in the summer of 1989.

    Bill Ayers’ wife, Bernardine Dohrn, also had worked as a paralegal at Sidley Austin, from 1984 through 1988. Dohrn’s 1960s radical activities as a self-described “revolutionary communist” landed her on the FBI’s list of 10 most wanted fugitives, and because of her felony conviction, she was not allowed to take the Illinois bar exam.

    Widely speculated in Chicago is that Dohrn got the job at Sidley Austin through the influence of her father-in-law, Thomas Ayers, who was one of the law firm’s biggest clients.

    Michelle Obama started at the firm in the summer of 1988 and remained there until 1991.

    Hulton recalls meeting Dohrn at the home of her in-laws, although his encounters with her were limited to having Dohrn sign for mail addressed to her.

     

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/postman-ayers-family-put-foreigner-obama-through-school/
  49. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    He’s faker than most people realized. Picking a wife with which to have children as part of a staging effort in order to sell himself politically is as sociopathic as one can get. One didn’t have to linger long to be puzzled as to what he and his wife really had in common, she having wider shoulders than her thin effeminate husband. Nobody ‘considers gayness’ unless they’re already there to begin with. His body language with his male roommate in one of his well known photos is rather gay. Is there any question left anymore that he’s bi? Had Clinton won we’d have had two bisexuals in a row as president. What would that say about the state of the republic? It’s not likely he’ll put all this into his $60M book which is guaranteed to be a bore.

  50. @Old fogey
    Thanks for the link to the NYT's review - it is interesting to read both. Neither reviewer mentions anything about the issue of Obama's place of birth. I guess Garrow passed over that question.

    Obama’s birthplace is no longer interesting. It didn’t shape his personality, and the related legal issues are now moot.

  51. @NOTA
    I doubt it was a marriage of convenience--more likely, Michelle combined the intellectual and educational background Obama needed in a wife to be able to talk to her and the cultural background (authentic American black) he wishes he had. They seem a *much* more natural couple than Jeb and his wife, say.

    I don’t see how Michelle’s affirmative action degree from Princeton adds any intellect to the Obama’s marriage. That she was an authentic American black was no doubt a positive factor for him, but I think that he is obviously smarter than Michelle was just as big a factor. A narcissist like Barack Obama is not going to want a wife who is his intellectual equal.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I don’t see how Michelle’s affirmative action degree from Princeton adds any intellect to the Obama’s marriage.

    She graduated from college at age 21 and managed to pass the Illinois bar exam . She does all right. Her problem, like her husband's is that she's a spendthrift who's just not very interested in much of anything in the realm of professional or intellectual endeavour.
  52. Bill says:
    @Opinionator
    “In the winter of ‘86, when we visited my parents, he asked me to marry him,” she told Garrow. Her parents were opposed, less for any racial reasons (Barack came across to them like “a white, middle-class kid,” a close family friend said) than for concern about Obama’s professional prospects, and because her mother thought Sheila, two years Obama’s junior, was too young. “Not yet,” Sheila told Barack. But they stayed together.

    In early 1987, when Obama was 25, she sensed a change. “He became. . . so very ambitious” very suddenly,” she told Garrow. “I remember very clearly when this transformation happened, and I remember very specifically that by 1987, about a year into our relationship, he already had his sights on becoming president.”


    Some unusual aspects emerge from this account:

    Sheila, then about 23 years old and a doctoral student at Chicago, was considered "too young" to get engaged to marry by her parents? In the 1980s?

    Obama asked for her hand less than a year into their relationship?

    Sheila, then about 23 years old and a doctoral student at Chicago, was considered “too young” to get engaged to marry by her parents? In the 1980s?

    I find that very plausible. It isn’t that unusual a sentiment among accomplished, feminist parents. Lots of academics, for example, would now and would have then endorsed this sort of silliness. Waiting until you are in your thirties to get married strikes an amazing number of people as a good idea.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Getting married means having children which would've crimped the doctorate. The parents were likely not interested in flushing the grad school money down the drain.
  53. Obama is very much like Abraham Lincoln. Each is a product of mythologizing, both self-mythologizing and mythologizing by political powers. Each married for political reasons. Each pretended Christian identity for political purposes. Each was a power-worshipping amoral authoritarian waiting for an opening.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    Um, among other things, Abraham Lincoln was a really, really good attorney.
  54. @Mike Sylwester

    I remember very clearly when this transformation happened, and I remember very specifically that by 1987, about a year into our relationship, he already had his sights on becoming president.
     
    A certain Steve Diamond has written about the acquaintance of Obama and Ayers in a blog called King Harvest. Basic information about Diamond:

    http://law.scu.edu/faculty/profile/diamond-stephen

    Because of Diamond's early blog articles about Obama and Ayers, he received information from people who knew something something about Obama and Ayers. One of Diamond’s blog articles was titled “Barack Obama’s Visit to the Other Ayers House”, which passed on information Diamond had received from a man named Allen Hulton. This informant was the mailman who delivered mail to the home of Tom and May Ayers, the parents of Bill Ayers.

    The King Harvest blog has disappeared, so I can’t review it or link to it. However, the following excerpt from the article still is available.

    Barack Obama visited the house of Tom and Mary Ayers, parents of former Weather Underground activist turned education professor Bill Ayers, in the mid-1980s to thank the Ayers’ for their support of his education, according to Allen Hulton, the letter carrier who delivered mail to the Ayers’ Glen Ellyn home at that time. Glen Ellyn is a suburb of Chicago, southwest of the city.

    At the time of their encounter, Hulton recalls, Obama “looked about 19 years old” but was probably in his early 20s. Obama graduated from Columbia University in 1983 and moved to Chicago in 1985 at age 24 or 25 …

    “Mrs. Ayers told me that her family had been helping out a brilliant young black man,” Hulton said and whom he believes she said was from Kenya. Hulton said that over the period of six to ten years that he delivered mail to the Ayers home he had numerous conversations with Mrs. Ayers, one conversation with Thomas Ayers and several brief encounters with Bernardine Dohrn who he said lived at the home for several months at one point in time. He never met or saw Bill Ayers at the home.

    Hulton explained that he knew Tim Ayers, the son of Tom and brother of Bill, when they were both students at Glenbard High School, which draws students from the towns of Glen Ellyn and Lombard, Illinois. Over time the Ayers’ parents became aware of the connection to their son Tim and that led to a friendlier relationship between Hulton and Tom and Mary Ayers.

    “They tipped me generously at Christmas-time,” Hulton recalled.

    One day Hulton found himself on the sidewalk outside the Ayers home at 199 N. Montclair Avenue near the corner of Revere Road just after he had delivered the mail. The house was “very nice and attractive and more expensive than some in Glen Ellyn because it was closer to downtown, but it did not stand out among the houses on that block.” He said the largest and most expensive homes were actually on Revere, around the corner from the Ayers’ home.

    As Hulton was on the sidewalk walking away from the Ayers house a tall and thin young black man was coming up the same sidewalk towards the Ayers house.

    Hulton recalls that Obama said hello and introduced himself and stopped to chat with him in front of the Ayers house. “I recall that his ears stuck out a little bit. He was more gaunt then than he appears now. His name was an unusual one and when I saw his photo during the campaign it brought back my memory of the event,” Hulton said.

    Mr. Obama explained that he had taken the train out from Chicago to visit the Ayers’ in order to thank them for their help with his “education.” At this time, Mr. Obama had recently graduated from Columbia and would soon enter Harvard Law School. Hulton and Obama “spoke for a few minutes, first chatting about the Ayers family,” Hulton said. Hulton said he did not learn whether the help Obama received from the Ayers’ was financial or in some other form."

    Hulton agreed that it was an exceptional event to encounter a black man on his route and that Obama may have felt it prudent to introduce himself to the letter carrier before approaching the Ayers house. …

    Mr. Hulton recalls that he probably asked what Mr. Obama was studying in school and at one point Mr. Obama said that he intended to become President of the United States. Mr. Hulton said he was “taken aback” by the statement but recalls that he did not think Mr. Obama was “arrogant, but just self assured and a person with a lot of self confidence.” “It was not said with hubris,” Hulton recalled, “but with an air of self-assuredness.”

    “I told him there was no reason why he couldn’t become president,” Hulton recalled. Obama was dressed “nicely but casually, a slacks and shirt, not jeans and a t-shirt, but definitely not a coat or tie,” he said. After the brief conversation Hulton continued on his route and did not turn back to see whether the Ayers’ were at home or whether Obama entered their house.

    Hulton delivered mail in Glen Ellyn for 39 years with two years off to serve in the U.S. military. He retired in 2001 and is now 66 years old. [Diamond's blog] King Harvest confirmed his employment as a letter carrier with Ray Wasz, Finance Supervisor of the Glen Ellyn Post Office. ….
     
    For more analysis of Hulton's claim, see Jerome Corsi's article titled "Postman: Ayers Family Put 'Foreigner' Obama Through School".

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/postman-ayers-family-put-foreigner-obama-through-school/

    Jerome Corsi figured that the encounter between mailman Allen Hulton and Barack Obama occurred in the summer of 1989, when Obama was about 28 years old.

    A likely timeframe for Hulton’s alleged encounter with Obama is the summer of 1989, when Obama was an intern at the Chicago law firm Sidley Austin, after his first year at Harvard Law School.

    Hulton says Obama mentioned to him taking the train. The Metra, a commuter from downtown Chicago, stops at a Glen Ellyn station a little more than a mile from the Ayers’ residence.

    Michelle Robinson, Obama’s wife-to-be, was the attorney at the firm assigned to mentor Obama in the summer of 1989.

    Bill Ayers’ wife, Bernardine Dohrn, also had worked as a paralegal at Sidley Austin, from 1984 through 1988. Dohrn’s 1960s radical activities as a self-described “revolutionary communist” landed her on the FBI’s list of 10 most wanted fugitives, and because of her felony conviction, she was not allowed to take the Illinois bar exam.

    Widely speculated in Chicago is that Dohrn got the job at Sidley Austin through the influence of her father-in-law, Thomas Ayers, who was one of the law firm’s biggest clients.

    Michelle Obama started at the firm in the summer of 1988 and remained there until 1991.

    Hulton recalls meeting Dohrn at the home of her in-laws, although his encounters with her were limited to having Dohrn sign for mail addressed to her.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/postman-ayers-family-put-foreigner-obama-through-school/

  55. So Obama gained presidential ambitions in order to break up with his girlfriend. Sounds like something Costanza would do

  56. @Jean Ralphio
    This isn't really covering any new ground, is it?

    One little remarked on fact about Obama that's always seemed interesting is his cigarette smoking. Who was the last president to smoke cigs, LBJ? Smoking has been looked down on as a really low class habit for awhile now so it's interesting, though probably not surprising, that he got a pass on it. Wasn't he still occasionally smoking when he was elected in 2008? Also, what's the significance of the cocaine use, other than the fact that you would not want to be cornered by this guy at a party when he was coked up?

    “what’s the significance of the cocaine use…?”

    Um, it’s a felony?

    It would have derailed, disbarred and ash-canned any white or Republican candidate?

  57. Makes perfect sense.

    Does the book tell us what Obama’s 1L grades were at Harvard Law?

  58. @Opinionator
    “In the winter of ‘86, when we visited my parents, he asked me to marry him,” she told Garrow. Her parents were opposed, less for any racial reasons (Barack came across to them like “a white, middle-class kid,” a close family friend said) than for concern about Obama’s professional prospects, and because her mother thought Sheila, two years Obama’s junior, was too young. “Not yet,” Sheila told Barack. But they stayed together.

    In early 1987, when Obama was 25, she sensed a change. “He became. . . so very ambitious” very suddenly,” she told Garrow. “I remember very clearly when this transformation happened, and I remember very specifically that by 1987, about a year into our relationship, he already had his sights on becoming president.”


    Some unusual aspects emerge from this account:

    Sheila, then about 23 years old and a doctoral student at Chicago, was considered "too young" to get engaged to marry by her parents? In the 1980s?

    Obama asked for her hand less than a year into their relationship?

    23 would have been extremely young to get married in the 1980s, especially for an intelligent, well-educated, presumably ambitious woman. This wan’t Little House on the Prairie time, or even the 1950s.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    23 would have been extremely young to get married in the 1980s, especially for an intelligent,

    No, about the median age for women at that time. See Vital Statistics of the United States. In 1983, the median age at first marriage for a woman not previously married was 22.5 years. I think it was unusual among the sort of people who might encourage or finance graduate school for their daughter, however.

    , @Opinionator
    Why wait?
  59. “…the lines are very clearly drawn. . . ”

    It seems that Barak’s intersectional career was genetically empowered by his wide open nostrils being well-suited for comfortable hoovering of large quantities of clearly drawn white lines.

    bored prediction:
    Malia O. is on a path of such Regression to The Mean Luo, that the whole new wing of Betty Ford Institute would be named after her.

    • Replies: @Abe

    Malia O. is on a path of such Regression to The Mean Luo, that the whole new wing of Betty Ford Institute would be named after her.
     
    I've several times predicted that "whiskey-tango" Sarah Palin's grandkids would likely be of higher social status, or at least more "respectable" (as measured by incarceration, long-term drug use, welfare dependency) than Michelle Obama's. Heck, shirt tails-to-shirt tails can occur WITHIN a generation. Look at Whitney Houston- best female singer I've ever heard, and truly a beautiful woman (unlike foot-face Celine, or d!ck- don't-be-raciss-now! Beyoncé ) and yet dies a scuzzy early death, drugged out in her own bathtub .
  60. @Twinkie

    Note how it was as much about Obama himself as any success he had in his organizing work.
     

    Jager soon came to realize, she told Garrow, that Obama had “a deep-seated need to be loved and admired.”
     
    This is stereotypically very politician-like.

    Most politicians crave adulation, especially mass adulation (rather than close personal relationships). For them, personal relationships are generally transactional. And they are invariably the centers in their own solar systems, in which even their children are mere satellites, almost cardboard cutouts meant to make their politician parent more attractive in the eyes of the electorate.

    The HBO show "Veep" presents, comically, but sadly, an excellent portrayal of politicians and their ambitious, but ultimately petty self-absorption.

    Barack came across to them like “a white, middle-class kid,” a close family friend said
     
    Obama's "son" might be a thug, but apparently he was a son of his white mother and grandparents.

    A close mutual friend of the couple recalls Obama explaining that “the lines are very clearly drawn. . . . If I am going out with a white woman, I have no standing here.” …
     
    I wonder how the former First Lady feels about being a tool of political advancement and how she reacted when she figured it out.

    I wonder how the former First Lady feels about being a tool of political advancement and how she reacted when she figured it out.

    That might be one of the reasons she looks pi$$ed off so often.

  61. @Lot
    Looks long and boring. I liked the short summary of his old girlfriend. It would be nice to read the page about young Obama considering going gay:

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/26/new-biography-young-obama-considered-gayness-amazon1/

    As well as the details about the cocaine use.

    At least it didn’t come out in the campaign or we would have been subjected to the gay version of “I smoked it, but I didn’t inhale.”

    • LOL: Forbes
    • Replies: @bored identity
    Lemme Key&Peel Our Eksk-President's Deformative Years on this one:

    He Woz Fluffin' - But Ain't Stuffin'
  62. @The Anti-Gnostic
    I seem to recall that Laura Bush smoked, and had a tacit agreement with the media not to photograph her with a cigarette because she didn't want to influence young people. Which is laudatory, because despite our efforts to paint it as declasse', having a cigarette just looks cool and feels cool. I'd smoke, but cancer or COPD is not a good way to go.

    The significance of the cocaine use to me is that he was able to walk away from it. Of the four people I knew who used cocaine, all four destroyed their lives with it.

    The significance of the cocaine use to me is that he was able to walk away from it. Of the four people I knew who used cocaine, all four destroyed their lives with it.

    Did he though?

    The abrupt change in personality described by Miyoshi-Jager sounds like the mania brought on by a coke habit.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    But with cocaine users, it becomes all about the cocaine, not about being able to afford tailored suits and have thousands of people erupt in cheers when you talk to them, and being able to direct vast streams of tax dollars to your friends.

    If there are any cocaine users who are able to dose it judiciously I haven't met them. Maybe in leaf form it works like that.
  63. @slumber_j
    From the linked piece:

    “Three years later, Obama wrote somewhat elusively to his first intimate girlfriend that he had thought about and considered gayness, but ultimately had decided that a same-sex relationship would be less challenging and demanding than developing one with the opposite sex,” Garrow wrote.
     
    I'm sorry: What?!! Who has ever resolved sexual confusion that way?

    He's just bullshitting his girlfriend there, trying to sound thoughtful by spewing what is obvious nonsense to anyone but him. Apparently with the young BHO, it was bullshit all the way down.

    It was likely bullshit, but like a lot of Obama’s bullshit it contained enough truth to disguise some of the taste.

    Opposite-sex is in fact more challenging and demanding, same-sex a way to dodge maturity.

  64. It would be the ultimate troll job if Trump invited Sheila Miyoshi Jager to the White House to discuss the Korean issue.

  65. Hi, Steve, when I tried to share this article, facebook said that the link couldn’t be used. I tried numerous times and then resorted to editing the link to end it at the word “bio” and posting it directly to my timeline. Even then, facebook displayed some other article of yours in the space below and I had to manually “X” it, but the link itself then worked. Is Facebook censoring you or is it a true technical problem?

    • Replies: @Bleuteaux
    I have had the exact same thing happen with Scott Adams' blog
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Facebook is likely marking off Unz as fake news.
  66. @slumber_j
    From the linked piece:

    “Three years later, Obama wrote somewhat elusively to his first intimate girlfriend that he had thought about and considered gayness, but ultimately had decided that a same-sex relationship would be less challenging and demanding than developing one with the opposite sex,” Garrow wrote.
     
    I'm sorry: What?!! Who has ever resolved sexual confusion that way?

    He's just bullshitting his girlfriend there, trying to sound thoughtful by spewing what is obvious nonsense to anyone but him. Apparently with the young BHO, it was bullshit all the way down.

    Someone who was autistic might think that way. Or someone who was a sociopath. Or maybe just really really narcissistic, I dunno, I’ve never thought like that, but it doesn’t seem that strange to me. If you assume that he doesn’t view other people as actual full humans and just props or extras, then it kind of makes sense.

    • Replies: @Sammler
    "Solipsistic" is the word you're looking for.
  67. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @slumber_j
    From the linked piece:

    “Three years later, Obama wrote somewhat elusively to his first intimate girlfriend that he had thought about and considered gayness, but ultimately had decided that a same-sex relationship would be less challenging and demanding than developing one with the opposite sex,” Garrow wrote.
     
    I'm sorry: What?!! Who has ever resolved sexual confusion that way?

    He's just bullshitting his girlfriend there, trying to sound thoughtful by spewing what is obvious nonsense to anyone but him. Apparently with the young BHO, it was bullshit all the way down.

    “Three years later, Obama wrote somewhat elusively to his first intimate girlfriend that he had thought about and considered gayness, but ultimately had decided that a same-sex relationship would be less challenging and demanding than developing one with the opposite sex,” Garrow wrote.

    Weird how he was able to just change his genes like that.

    Is “Born This Way” not the narrative anymore?

  68. @slumber_j
    From the linked piece:

    “Three years later, Obama wrote somewhat elusively to his first intimate girlfriend that he had thought about and considered gayness, but ultimately had decided that a same-sex relationship would be less challenging and demanding than developing one with the opposite sex,” Garrow wrote.
     
    I'm sorry: What?!! Who has ever resolved sexual confusion that way?

    He's just bullshitting his girlfriend there, trying to sound thoughtful by spewing what is obvious nonsense to anyone but him. Apparently with the young BHO, it was bullshit all the way down.

    Yeah, reading that passage, I conclude that Obama had already experienced very real gay inclinations — inclinations that almost certainly wouldn’t go away. He chose to be heterosexual because it’s more demanding? Yeah, that’s going to make his nerves jangle when he looks at a woman rather than a man. And I don’t exactly see marriage — least of all to Michelle — putting a damper on those inclinations. I can see a woman entertaining both homosexuality and heterosexuality, and choosing one rather deliberately — but not a man, whose sexual impulses are far more urgent.

    The overall picture here is of a guy who decides, based on his long term plans, what he’s going to be — e.g., “heterosexual” or “black” — and lives out that life.

    I have to wonder if one fine day we won’t hear about Obama’s long hidden love for another man. Or will he go full Liberace, in denial to the end?

    I have to wonder as well how this is going to affect what looks to me to be the rather shaky marriage between Michelle and Barack. (What was Barack doing those several weeks alone in the South Pacific? In how many healthy marriages would that happen?) I don’t really see Michelle being the tolerant type who will put up with the disrespect that comes with being identified as a beard, especially in the black community.

    • Agree: slumber_j
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Or will he go full Liberace, in denial to the end?

    Obama's been married for 25 years, fathered two children, has no distinguishing features and no notable hobbies and interests which are associated with homosexuality. Neither has he had any homosexual flings identified by any reputable source. Liberace was confirmed bachelor and a enough of a flamer that it was a matter of public comment 60 years ago, when homosexuality was something in the peripheral vision, not something to which people gave much thought or attention. Nor is there any indication 'Liberace' was 'in denial', as opposed to thinking public homosexuality gauche and bad for business.
    , @Art Deco
    I have to wonder as well how this is going to affect what looks to me to be the rather shaky marriage between Michelle and Barack. (What was Barack doing those several weeks alone in the South Pacific? In how many healthy marriages would that happen?)

    They've been married for 25 years and no domestic scandals adhere to either one of them. It wasn't all that unusual 50 years ago for a couple with the requisite disposable income to travel separately and leave their children in the care of others for periods of time.
  69. @27 year old
    Someone who was autistic might think that way. Or someone who was a sociopath. Or maybe just really really narcissistic, I dunno, I've never thought like that, but it doesn't seem that strange to me. If you assume that he doesn't view other people as actual full humans and just props or extras, then it kind of makes sense.

    “Solipsistic” is the word you’re looking for.

  70. @black sea
    I think that's a reasonable default assumption. That's one reason why I find it difficult to identify with the passions of those who view Politician X or Y as a savior, or champion of the cause (whatever the cause is).

    Politicians generally strike me as somewhat creepy and manipulative megalomaniacs, and I suspect the role they play in our society only intensifies these already inherent traits. A reasonably honest and ethical person would simply find it too psychologically disruptive to engage in the kind of stuff that politicians have to treat as the everyday "givens" of their chosen profession.

    I'm not saying it's impossible to maintain some ethical compass in the world of politics, but I'm sure it's damn difficult, and exhausting for those who try, and eventually it wears out people who aren't by nature inclined to do or say whatever greases the machine, and to hell with the consequences.

    Any thoughts on how this has changed across cultures or time?

  71. @Desiderius

    The significance of the cocaine use to me is that he was able to walk away from it. Of the four people I knew who used cocaine, all four destroyed their lives with it.
     
    Did he though?

    The abrupt change in personality described by Miyoshi-Jager sounds like the mania brought on by a coke habit.

    But with cocaine users, it becomes all about the cocaine, not about being able to afford tailored suits and have thousands of people erupt in cheers when you talk to them, and being able to direct vast streams of tax dollars to your friends.

    If there are any cocaine users who are able to dose it judiciously I haven’t met them. Maybe in leaf form it works like that.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    I'll cop to having dabbled with powder in the eighties. It was a weekend thing for a couple of years. When I went abroad to work for two years I gave it up and have never returned. I gather that crack is much more addicted.
  72. e says:
    @Twinkie

    Interesting. I’ve noticed that Asian-White mixes tend to be labeled White.
     
    Apparently Asian-black mixes are black. See Tiger Woods.

    I've mentioned several times that a large majority of Asian-white mixes identify as white in the U.S. and that a sizable fraction of American-born "pure" Asians identify as whites as well (posted a link to the survey several times, but can't find it now).

    Apparently Asian-black mixes are black. See Tiger Woods.

    I’ve no idea about other Asian-black mixes, but Tiger, new to the world of professional golf and media frenzy, spoke openly in a couple of early interviews of his identification with his mother’s ethnicity and culture. He did not identify as black. Nike shut him up-quickly. After all, he was their new symbol. Which Tiger offered promise of the most riches? Asian Tiger? Black Tiger? No contest.

    At some point, they did take advantage of his Asian heritage with arranging visits to that part of the world, but at home? Black.

  73. @Anonymous
    Didn't stop him from dating Larry Sinclair later on. Incidentally, Sinclair confirms Garrow's claims that Obama's cocaine use persisted longer than he admitted:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMVQpMSywUU

    It is definitely interesting how people like Sinclair, numerous remarks by more than a few of Obama’s high school classmates, and Obama’s and Rahm Emanuel’s memberships at the “Man’s Country” bath house, all of these things that point at an important part of Obama’s personality and politics are “ignored” by biographers. Yet they keep cropping up. One can bet if Obama didn’t enjoy protective coloring the stories might get more play. Or maybe not. Even though in this day and age being gay is supposedly a badge of honor, something that makes you better than everyone else.

    Obama’s last flight out of DC on Air Force One was interesting to say the least, in terms of him making a beeline to Palm Springs to hang out with James Costos and his “husband”, Michael Smith. But that doesn’t mean anything of course. Sure.

  74. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Three years later, Obama wrote somewhat elusively to his first intimate girlfriend that he had thought about and considered gayness, but ultimately had decided that a same-sex relationship would be less challenging and demanding than developing one with the opposite sex,” Garrow wrote.

    I wonder if this means that, despite calling up Jason Collins to congratulate him on his homosexuality, he secretly thought Collins was a loser for not challenging himself more.

  75. @jim jones
    I assume the war on cigarettes is just the standard government strategy of humiliating and terrifying the citizen population. My father smoked for forty years (he was actually given a cigarette ration while in the RAF) and lived until the age of eighty-seven.

    Sample sizes of one are not the best way of resolving public health questions.

  76. @NOTA
    Yep. The process of climbing the ladder up toward national level political success selects for sociopaths.

    That’s certainly true at the national level.

    At the lower levels, not so much. I currently know three state senators pretty well, and that’s not unusual or a big deal. They’re just guys whose lines of work put them in contact with the public and with civic leaders. They each decided to take on a part-time political job that involves driving to the state capital a lot and voting on shit.

    It’s the kind of natural move that we expect in America. We’re supposed to govern ourselves, so somebody has to do it. That’s not to say that they don’t want ego-gratification and that they don’t represent their own, little cliques of economic interest; they do.

    It’s neither glamorous nor lucrative, but they do get special license plates, which may persuade highway patrolmen to ignore a little spirited driving. Gotta go vote on the latest legislation, after all! (Wink)

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    I'm re-reading a book, Law of Civilization and Decay, which claims, among many other interesting observations, that the larger the government, the more expensive and the more destructive the bureaucracy. One of the ongoing characteristics of government is a tendency towards centralization, and a basic change from the qualities that made the country successful in the first place.

    Under federalist theory, the locus of power was only slightly in favor of Washington, with the states holding most of the local prerogatives. This puts a lot more interest on the genuinely human qualities you describe.

    But, centralization occurred over two centuries, and we now find ourselves more in the situation of an empire, with the emperor elected every 4 years. And even if the emperor started out human, no way will he end up that way.
  77. Jager was of Dutch and Japanese ancestry, fitting the multicultural world Obama was only starting to leave behind. They were a natural fit.

    Mixed race people really do live in a murky netherworld. It should be considered a form of child abuse to bring a mixed race person into being.

  78. @Old fogey
    Thanks for the link to the NYT's review - it is interesting to read both. Neither reviewer mentions anything about the issue of Obama's place of birth. I guess Garrow passed over that question.

    There is no ‘issue of his place of birth’. He was born in Honolulu. There’s a crew of hobbyists who amuse themselves pretending he was not. Garrow’s not among them, nor is anyone of sense.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    Sadly, I think you're correct. The founding fathers, intending that a President will have American values rather than values developed in a foreign country, even one as close as England, put the domestic birth requirement in the Constitution. Being wise, but not all-seeing, they didn't anticipate the situation of someone being born in the US, but whisked immediately to a foreign culture and thus viewing US culture as simply a tool like any other, for the achievement of other goals, like socialism and a global order.
    , @Old fogey
    I am surprised that you find no problem with Obama's birth certificate. When it was placed on the dot-gov website after Trump and others had questioned the certificate of live birth, a number of experts posted damning evidence showing that it had been photo-shopped to a great degree. The most convincing to me was the analysis posted by Karl Denninger. Unfortunately, subsequently Denninger removed that post - and a great many others - from his blog, so I can't point you to that document here.

    Also of interest were the questions as to whether a group of Republican presidential hopefuls in 2016 actually fulfilled that Constitutional qualification. Most famous, of course, was Ted Cruz, born in Canada (my two sons, born in the Middle East, knew from a very early age that though they were American citizens and could hold any government job, they were not eligible to run for president) but serious questions were also raised concerning the eligibility of Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal. It seemed to me at the time as if no one in this country was taking the Constitution seriously since Obama had clearly gotten away with his phony documentation. Talk about a slippery slope.
  79. I wonder when he took the LSAT.

    Steve,

    Why do you wonder when he took the LSATs?

    • Replies: @George
    "Why do you wonder when he took the LSATs?"

    Internet search puts it 87 88. But so what, were his other options? Foreign service. I have seen videos of him speaking a few sentences in Indonesian, is he fluent, and if not why not?

    If he bailed on the Asian lady, maybe he was thinking Hawaii vs Mainland USA politics.
    , @garyingramercy
    I think Steve's interest in the precise month/year BHO took the LSAT is related to the obvious change in his personality, his "blossoming," as it were. Steve has written on this subject before: since there's no evidence that Obama's grades at either Occidental or Columbia were anything to write home about, something other than sheer affirmative action must have gotten him into Harvard Law School. Someone else did cross-tabulations on admissions to Harvard Law School from Columbia in the relevant year, and found that two African-American applicants from Columbia to HLS scored in the top few percentile on the LSAT (maybe 95th+ percentile). Steve reasoned that BHO was likely one of those two.

    Steve further concluded that upon receiving his (presumably) very high LSAT score, BHO underwent a personality transformation of sorts, finally realizing that that a world-class political career was within his reach. And of course, once he got to Harvard Law School, everyone else treated him like the Black Messiah, and starting thinking of him as a potential president. How many people in their twenties have the cold self-knowledge to take excessive flattery as just that, as opposed to believing the hype? BHO believed the hype. Acing the LSAT made him think of himself as an ubermensch.

    Self-delusion? Maybe. But how many countries have you been president of?
  80. @jim jones
    I assume the war on cigarettes is just the standard government strategy of humiliating and terrifying the citizen population. My father smoked for forty years (he was actually given a cigarette ration while in the RAF) and lived until the age of eighty-seven.

    You smoke cigarettes all your life, your probability of being cut down by lung cancer increases 30-fold over what it would be had you never smoked. It declines if you quit, but at a leisurely pace. Emphysema is another risk. If the risk is worth it to you it’s worth it to you, but no one’s conning you. (Among my first and 2d degree relations, I’ve had 4 with emphysema and 1 with lung cancer – all l/t smokers; 1 l/t smoker avoided both).

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    I think cigarette smoking is also associated with a greater risk of heart disease.
    , @Old fogey
    My mother died a few weeks short of her 87th birthday. On her death certificate the cause of death is listed as smoking-related COPD simply because physicians cannot list "old age" as a cause of death and since she had smoked like a chimney since she was 16 years of age, and was taking medication for COPD for some years prior to her death, that is what her physician listed.

    The week before her death, when her doctor examined her he said to me that her lungs were "clean as a whistle." Having watched my mother's entire body deteriorate in the last few weeks of her life, I take the cause of death for people who die over the age of 80 with a grain of salt.
  81. @Jean Ralphio
    It's ironic that marrying Michelle may have been the best decision he made for his political career, but that she seems to be the least supportive spouse in history. He won both because of her and in spite of her. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually divorce.

    but that she seems to be the least supportive spouse in history.

    No, the prize goes to Mrs. Franklin Pierce.

    Bess Truman, Jackie Kennedy, Pat Nixon, and Betty Ford were ambivalent on a good day about their routines in the White House. Mooch has company.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    But the Pierces experienced family tragedy shortly before taking office. They were both devastated.
  82. @candid_observer
    Yeah, reading that passage, I conclude that Obama had already experienced very real gay inclinations -- inclinations that almost certainly wouldn't go away. He chose to be heterosexual because it's more demanding? Yeah, that's going to make his nerves jangle when he looks at a woman rather than a man. And I don't exactly see marriage -- least of all to Michelle -- putting a damper on those inclinations. I can see a woman entertaining both homosexuality and heterosexuality, and choosing one rather deliberately -- but not a man, whose sexual impulses are far more urgent.

    The overall picture here is of a guy who decides, based on his long term plans, what he's going to be -- e.g., "heterosexual" or "black" -- and lives out that life.

    I have to wonder if one fine day we won't hear about Obama's long hidden love for another man. Or will he go full Liberace, in denial to the end?

    I have to wonder as well how this is going to affect what looks to me to be the rather shaky marriage between Michelle and Barack. (What was Barack doing those several weeks alone in the South Pacific? In how many healthy marriages would that happen?) I don't really see Michelle being the tolerant type who will put up with the disrespect that comes with being identified as a beard, especially in the black community.

    Or will he go full Liberace, in denial to the end?

    Obama’s been married for 25 years, fathered two children, has no distinguishing features and no notable hobbies and interests which are associated with homosexuality. Neither has he had any homosexual flings identified by any reputable source. Liberace was confirmed bachelor and a enough of a flamer that it was a matter of public comment 60 years ago, when homosexuality was something in the peripheral vision, not something to which people gave much thought or attention. Nor is there any indication ‘Liberace’ was ‘in denial’, as opposed to thinking public homosexuality gauche and bad for business.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    Look, what you are failing to come to terms with is that we now have it, effectively from the horse's mouth, that Obama has had homosexual proclivities.

    I just don't believe that homosexual inclinations serious enough that a man feels obliged to mention them in writing to his intimate girlfriend -- if only to assert that he won't, of course, act on them -- are inclinations likely to go away. Nor do I believe it likely that a man so inclined will refrain from acting on those impulses over the course of his life, especially in this day and age.

    And if such a man decides to engage in those activities discreetly so that he won't be found out, I don't see why he would fail to do so -- and particularly when the media is as much eager to hide anything untoward about him as they were with, say, John Kennedy.

    And of course I don't think that Liberace was in denial to himself about his homosexuality -- rather only to the public -- which is what I am wondering about with Obama.

    , @Old fogey
    Just google "Reggie Love and Obama lovers."
  83. @candid_observer
    Yeah, reading that passage, I conclude that Obama had already experienced very real gay inclinations -- inclinations that almost certainly wouldn't go away. He chose to be heterosexual because it's more demanding? Yeah, that's going to make his nerves jangle when he looks at a woman rather than a man. And I don't exactly see marriage -- least of all to Michelle -- putting a damper on those inclinations. I can see a woman entertaining both homosexuality and heterosexuality, and choosing one rather deliberately -- but not a man, whose sexual impulses are far more urgent.

    The overall picture here is of a guy who decides, based on his long term plans, what he's going to be -- e.g., "heterosexual" or "black" -- and lives out that life.

    I have to wonder if one fine day we won't hear about Obama's long hidden love for another man. Or will he go full Liberace, in denial to the end?

    I have to wonder as well how this is going to affect what looks to me to be the rather shaky marriage between Michelle and Barack. (What was Barack doing those several weeks alone in the South Pacific? In how many healthy marriages would that happen?) I don't really see Michelle being the tolerant type who will put up with the disrespect that comes with being identified as a beard, especially in the black community.

    I have to wonder as well how this is going to affect what looks to me to be the rather shaky marriage between Michelle and Barack. (What was Barack doing those several weeks alone in the South Pacific? In how many healthy marriages would that happen?)

    They’ve been married for 25 years and no domestic scandals adhere to either one of them. It wasn’t all that unusual 50 years ago for a couple with the requisite disposable income to travel separately and leave their children in the care of others for periods of time.

    • Replies: @Forbes

    It wasn’t all that unusual 50 years ago for a couple with the requisite disposable income to travel separately and leave their children in the care of others for periods of time.
     
    An assertion that doesn't pass the smell test. Today? Maybe. 50 years ago? Bizarre.
    , @Old fogey
    I have been married more than 50 years. I have never heard of any of my contemporaries ever having vacationed separately. Indeed, in my sons' generation doing so would also be considered weird.
  84. @Barnard
    I don't see how Michelle's affirmative action degree from Princeton adds any intellect to the Obama's marriage. That she was an authentic American black was no doubt a positive factor for him, but I think that he is obviously smarter than Michelle was just as big a factor. A narcissist like Barack Obama is not going to want a wife who is his intellectual equal.

    I don’t see how Michelle’s affirmative action degree from Princeton adds any intellect to the Obama’s marriage.

    She graduated from college at age 21 and managed to pass the Illinois bar exam . She does all right. Her problem, like her husband’s is that she’s a spendthrift who’s just not very interested in much of anything in the realm of professional or intellectual endeavour.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    " and managed to pass the Illinois bar exam". True, but she failed her first attempt.

    She's always seemed surly to me; is she?

    , @Rod1963
    She got into Princeton on a AA ticket, her thesis at best was something you would read in a community college or HS class.

    Had she been judged solely on her intellect, she'd have probably ended up in a community college and graduated with AA in pol sci.

    Spendthrift? Where in the hell did you get that idea. She lived off the taxpayer like royalty. She dressed in the most high end and leading fashions. She romped around the world like a jet setter. Her kids went to a very elite school and didn't eat the crap she was forcing on kids in public schools.

    All in all Michelle has behaved like a typical low class, low intellect black female. Focus on parties, clothes, meeting celebrities, attending all the right social events. Classic empty vessel.
    , @Barnard
    From her Wikipedia entry:

    She recalls that some of her teachers in high school tried to dissuade her from applying, that she had been told she was "setting my sights too high".[33][34] She believed that her brother's status as an alumnus may have helped her during the admission process
     
    I agree her interest level in anything intellectual is low, but Michelle was an AA case all the way.
  85. @Anonymous
    23 would have been extremely young to get married in the 1980s, especially for an intelligent, well-educated, presumably ambitious woman. This wan't Little House on the Prairie time, or even the 1950s.

    23 would have been extremely young to get married in the 1980s, especially for an intelligent,

    No, about the median age for women at that time. See Vital Statistics of the United States. In 1983, the median age at first marriage for a woman not previously married was 22.5 years. I think it was unusual among the sort of people who might encourage or finance graduate school for their daughter, however.

  86. The book sounds mildly intriguing, but are 1500 pages justified?

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Agreed. Most biographies are far too long these days. I'm reminded of the Samuel Johnson quote, "I had no time to write you a short letter, so I wrote you a long letter."
    , @Chrisnonymous
    The review contains other interesting info not copied to iSteve and says the book is not dull, so maybe yes.
  87. @Sammler
    I'm not 100% certain of that. Today's accepted understanding is that homosexuality is fixed from birth, but 50 years ago it was defended as a "lifestyle choice", and 100 years ago J M Keynes famously gave up his beta boys and took a wife.

    Today’s accepted understanding is that homosexuality is fixed from birth,

    Accepted by whom? Discordant identical twin sets are more common than homosexual identical twin sets.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Presumably accepted by leftists like Obama, although yes, it does fly in the face of evidence
    , @bored identity
    Deco, I got it;

    You 're shotgunning for Obamas being a model of whistle-clean heterosexual marriage.

    Reason?

    "They’ve been married for 25 years and no domestic scandals adhere to either one of them..."

    OK.


    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject...if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject...if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject...if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject...if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.


    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject...if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject...if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.





    Got it.
  88. @Art Deco
    Or will he go full Liberace, in denial to the end?

    Obama's been married for 25 years, fathered two children, has no distinguishing features and no notable hobbies and interests which are associated with homosexuality. Neither has he had any homosexual flings identified by any reputable source. Liberace was confirmed bachelor and a enough of a flamer that it was a matter of public comment 60 years ago, when homosexuality was something in the peripheral vision, not something to which people gave much thought or attention. Nor is there any indication 'Liberace' was 'in denial', as opposed to thinking public homosexuality gauche and bad for business.

    Look, what you are failing to come to terms with is that we now have it, effectively from the horse’s mouth, that Obama has had homosexual proclivities.

    I just don’t believe that homosexual inclinations serious enough that a man feels obliged to mention them in writing to his intimate girlfriend — if only to assert that he won’t, of course, act on them — are inclinations likely to go away. Nor do I believe it likely that a man so inclined will refrain from acting on those impulses over the course of his life, especially in this day and age.

    And if such a man decides to engage in those activities discreetly so that he won’t be found out, I don’t see why he would fail to do so — and particularly when the media is as much eager to hide anything untoward about him as they were with, say, John Kennedy.

    And of course I don’t think that Liberace was in denial to himself about his homosexuality — rather only to the public — which is what I am wondering about with Obama.

  89. @yaqub the mad scientist
    It's important to keep in mind that this relationship between politician and public is reciprocal:

    "We keep electing sociopaths because what we want from our leaders is impossible and only liars would promise it to us." - Brainsturbator

    “We keep electing sociopaths because what we want from our leaders is impossible and only liars would promise it to us.” – Brainsturbator

    Elections tell you, in a rough way, what people will put up with. Among the general run of voters, that means just about anything but property tax hikes, poisons in the drinking water, mismanaging emergency response to an ice storm or blizzard, cancelling the football season (in Texas), or doing something that makes you look risible. Otherwise, politicians can get away with just about anything. Black voters will cast a ballot for any Democratic incumbent who has not lost face according to a set of criteria occult to most other voters. Coleman Young and Marion Barry each served four terms each, dreadful performance notwithstanding.

    Most of the foregoing has little impact on those in legislative positions. There, the problem for the incumbent politician is a challenger with the spunk and funding to put him under a magnifying glass. That doesn’t happen all that often.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    To Art Deco,

    Appreciate your comments, which are knowledgeable even if not exactly what I want to hear.

    I think the qualities of emperor/leader you describe are very dependent on the homogeneity of the electorate. An electorate evenly split between cohorts of very different values give the opportunity for a government-by-decree, which is generally how Obama ruled.

    The Supreme Court mandate on proportional representation put the lid on the coffin of real representative government. Proportional representation gives racial demagogues like Luis Gutiérrez, Keith Ellison, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee absolutely no reason to take any broad constituency other than blacks or Mexican self-identified nationals, into account.

    If you have smaller, more geographically homogeneous countries, there can be better representation in the government, rather than simply an exchange of dictators.
  90. okie says:
    @jim jones
    I assume the war on cigarettes is just the standard government strategy of humiliating and terrifying the citizen population. My father smoked for forty years (he was actually given a cigarette ration while in the RAF) and lived until the age of eighty-seven.

    The risk with cigarettes is only 1 in 3 in have any health effects, but the health effects are pretty damn serious. Feel lucky that your pop was in the lucky 66%. My pop had a heart attack @ 55 and was a 2 pack a day unfiltered pall mall smoker, that happens to a lot of smokers in much higher ratios than the nons, disregarding the cancer and respiratory issues. I don’t smoke and find the current demonizing of the habit distasteful, but i am aware of the odds and can’t see the narcotic of it being worth a 1/3 chance of a reduced life.

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    I don't smoke and never have, but there is no question that nicotine is a drug that has an amazing effect on most people. It quiets the nerves while improving concentration, quite a combination.

    If I ever am diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease the first thing I would do is buy a nicotine patch.
  91. @Art Deco
    Today’s accepted understanding is that homosexuality is fixed from birth,

    Accepted by whom? Discordant identical twin sets are more common than homosexual identical twin sets.

    Presumably accepted by leftists like Obama, although yes, it does fly in the face of evidence

  92. @jim jones
    I assume the war on cigarettes is just the standard government strategy of humiliating and terrifying the citizen population. My father smoked for forty years (he was actually given a cigarette ration while in the RAF) and lived until the age of eighty-seven.

    My grandfather smoked for over fifty years. He began at 13 and quit at 66, shortly before he died of lung cancer.

    My uncle was lucky – he lost only his jaw to cancer. In his mid-50s, he could pass for a man twenty or (on a bad day) thirty years his senior. (He later succumbed to liver disease – he was a heavy drinker, as well.)

    Neither of my parents smoke or drink, and I have taken after them. (Both are teetotalers from alcoholic families.)

  93. @Chrisnonymous
    At least it didn't come out in the campaign or we would have been subjected to the gay version of "I smoked it, but I didn't inhale."

    Lemme Key&Peel Our Eksk-President’s Deformative Years on this one:

    He Woz Fluffin’ – But Ain’t Stuffin’

  94. @Twinkie

    Note how it was as much about Obama himself as any success he had in his organizing work.
     

    Jager soon came to realize, she told Garrow, that Obama had “a deep-seated need to be loved and admired.”
     
    This is stereotypically very politician-like.

    Most politicians crave adulation, especially mass adulation (rather than close personal relationships). For them, personal relationships are generally transactional. And they are invariably the centers in their own solar systems, in which even their children are mere satellites, almost cardboard cutouts meant to make their politician parent more attractive in the eyes of the electorate.

    The HBO show "Veep" presents, comically, but sadly, an excellent portrayal of politicians and their ambitious, but ultimately petty self-absorption.

    Barack came across to them like “a white, middle-class kid,” a close family friend said
     
    Obama's "son" might be a thug, but apparently he was a son of his white mother and grandparents.

    A close mutual friend of the couple recalls Obama explaining that “the lines are very clearly drawn. . . . If I am going out with a white woman, I have no standing here.” …
     
    I wonder how the former First Lady feels about being a tool of political advancement and how she reacted when she figured it out.

    Veep is very good.

  95. @Twinkie

    Interesting. I’ve noticed that Asian-White mixes tend to be labeled White.
     
    Apparently Asian-black mixes are black. See Tiger Woods.

    I've mentioned several times that a large majority of Asian-white mixes identify as white in the U.S. and that a sizable fraction of American-born "pure" Asians identify as whites as well (posted a link to the survey several times, but can't find it now).

    I find blacks (and half-blacks) to be their own unique case, regardless of class/education/parentage. There appears to be either a political and or instinctive/natural rejection of , for lack of a better term, whiteness. I doubt most Asians identify themselves as “white”which in their minds they might substitute for mainstream success. I’m sure they just sensibly identify as educated, successful. So far there is no political downside to doing so; however, there is a rising strain (mainly in activist/academia) to force Asians to explicitly define themselves contra “white”. I recently flew on Korean Air. It was a very well-run airlines and South Korea is a well-organized and productive society. The same could be said for most East Asian peoples and countries. If a black American were to behave like those Korean pilots or flight attendants–or, say, took school as seriously as SK students do–in the US, they would likely be perceived as identifying as white. P.S. To his credit Tiger Woods was attacked for not identifying solely as white and for having an obvious preference for white women, which, ironically, was the blackest thing about him, though his apparent desire to urinate on them does complicate the psychological profile.

  96. @Art Deco
    I don’t see how Michelle’s affirmative action degree from Princeton adds any intellect to the Obama’s marriage.

    She graduated from college at age 21 and managed to pass the Illinois bar exam . She does all right. Her problem, like her husband's is that she's a spendthrift who's just not very interested in much of anything in the realm of professional or intellectual endeavour.

    ” and managed to pass the Illinois bar exam”. True, but she failed her first attempt.

    She’s always seemed surly to me; is she?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    That she failed is the moderator's surmise. Not a bad argument, but not proven.

    About 20% of the lawyers admitted to the bar require two passes at the exam. It's among those requiring three or four passes you find the marginal lawyers.

    Michelle had a tour through BigLaw. Most BigLaw associates do not succeed in gaining partnerships. I knew a fellow who'd scored a clerkship with a state appellate judge who lasted one year in BigLaw. It's a reasonable guess the hiring manager gave her a mulligan. Doesn't mean she'd not have made a satisfactory general practice lawyer, had she cared to continue practice. Instead, she was adopted by Valerie Jarrett and scored a patronage job at city hall.
    , @Art Deco
    She’s always seemed surly to me; is she?

    I didn't marry her.

    She has a snippy/moody exterior now and again, but not the reputation that Hilligula has for being a terror to work for.
  97. @Twinkie

    Note how it was as much about Obama himself as any success he had in his organizing work.
     

    Jager soon came to realize, she told Garrow, that Obama had “a deep-seated need to be loved and admired.”
     
    This is stereotypically very politician-like.

    Most politicians crave adulation, especially mass adulation (rather than close personal relationships). For them, personal relationships are generally transactional. And they are invariably the centers in their own solar systems, in which even their children are mere satellites, almost cardboard cutouts meant to make their politician parent more attractive in the eyes of the electorate.

    The HBO show "Veep" presents, comically, but sadly, an excellent portrayal of politicians and their ambitious, but ultimately petty self-absorption.

    Barack came across to them like “a white, middle-class kid,” a close family friend said
     
    Obama's "son" might be a thug, but apparently he was a son of his white mother and grandparents.

    A close mutual friend of the couple recalls Obama explaining that “the lines are very clearly drawn. . . . If I am going out with a white woman, I have no standing here.” …
     
    I wonder how the former First Lady feels about being a tool of political advancement and how she reacted when she figured it out.

    You shouldn’t be surprised that a specialized subspecies arises to compete for positions of great wealth, fame, and power.

    The larger the geographical boundaries of the country, the more extensive and expensive the bureaucracy is, and the more remote the leadership is from accountability, the more differentiated the leadership class will become.

    It would probably be better for the US and Canada to split up into two or three countries each, based broadly on political orientation. It might even be beneficial to very blue states, having to live close to the consequences of their own governance, rather than mediating through an all-powerful federal government.

    The main downside of such an event would be the weakening of the military, which would have to focus more on defensive strategy, and protection of genuinely vital interests, rather than a global chessboard.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Why is a weakening of the military a downside? A military devoted to protecting genuinely vital national interests has been a plus for Switzerland.
  98. @dearieme
    When asked about Obama experimenting with homosexuality, Garrow replied, “I think anyone and everyone, no matter what their role in life deserves a certain basic degree of privacy, in that context.”

    Meaning "yes he did". So the usual question: who knew and on what subjects did they blackmail him?

    I’m sure his sponsors knew all about his sexual peccadilloes.

    And it explains why he married a female gorilla instead of a hot looking black babe. It’s probably all he could get. The thing is gays in the black community aren’t that well liked, they are on the outs. And no self-respecting black woman is going to hook up with one because of the shit she’s gonna take from other blacks.

    • Replies: @Clark Westwood

    The thing is gays in the black community aren’t that well liked, they are on the outs.
     
    Anecdote: The only time in my professional life when I've encountered any form of honest-to-God racial/religious/sex/sexual-orientation discrimination was when a black client basically told me that he wouldn't work with associate X because the associate was gay. (Associate X was also white, but my whole section was too.)
    , @Art Deco
    And it explains why he married a female gorilla

    He didn't marry Serena Williams. Give it a rest.
  99. Abe says: • Website
    @bored identity



    “...the lines are very clearly drawn. . . "

     

    It seems that Barak's intersectional career was genetically empowered by his wide open nostrils being well-suited for comfortable hoovering of large quantities of clearly drawn white lines.


    https://youtu.be/Ah4f62bYAcw

    bored prediction:
    Malia O. is on a path of such Regression to The Mean Luo, that the whole new wing of Betty Ford Institute would be named after her.

    Malia O. is on a path of such Regression to The Mean Luo, that the whole new wing of Betty Ford Institute would be named after her.

    I’ve several times predicted that “whiskey-tango” Sarah Palin’s grandkids would likely be of higher social status, or at least more “respectable” (as measured by incarceration, long-term drug use, welfare dependency) than Michelle Obama’s. Heck, shirt tails-to-shirt tails can occur WITHIN a generation. Look at Whitney Houston- best female singer I’ve ever heard, and truly a beautiful woman (unlike foot-face Celine, or d!ck- don’t-be-raciss-now! Beyoncé ) and yet dies a scuzzy early death, drugged out in her own bathtub .

    • Replies: @bored identity
    Speaking 'bout that Nice (at least,when she was young) Black Lady and her devastating life-choices :

    the wrong marital partner died...



    Humanity's remaining hope is that Adele won't overdose on bacon & peanut butter infused donuts.
  100. @Bill

    Sheila, then about 23 years old and a doctoral student at Chicago, was considered “too young” to get engaged to marry by her parents? In the 1980s?
     
    I find that very plausible. It isn't that unusual a sentiment among accomplished, feminist parents. Lots of academics, for example, would now and would have then endorsed this sort of silliness. Waiting until you are in your thirties to get married strikes an amazing number of people as a good idea.

    Getting married means having children which would’ve crimped the doctorate. The parents were likely not interested in flushing the grad school money down the drain.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    You really think they paid out significant amounts for a doctorate program in anthropology in the 1980s? She probably didn't have to pay tuition.

    Plus, the sooner she was married, the sooner she would have another source of support.

  101. @Steve in Greensboro
    No doubt for the near future we will be treated to a parade of biographical information about our 44th president fleshing out the portrait of a hollow, repellent narcissist.

    Narcissism is more-or-less at the core of every movement going significantly against the trend or charting radically new ground. Almost everyone making big waves is going to have a large amount of narcissism in their personality.

    Narcissists are like anyone else: not to be trusted and functioning best in an environment of active accountability. In other words, the election of Donald Trump is the beginning and not the end of the necessity of Tea Parties, nationalist, and identity movements.

  102. @Lot
    Looks long and boring. I liked the short summary of his old girlfriend. It would be nice to read the page about young Obama considering going gay:

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/26/new-biography-young-obama-considered-gayness-amazon1/

    As well as the details about the cocaine use.

    In the immortal words of noted street philosopher Andrew “Dice” Clay, as a man you either do or do not suck…

    Odd though; goes against the Leftist idea that gayness is innate and immutable rather than a choice. But they would have given this guy a pass on anything.

  103. @Art Deco
    I have to wonder as well how this is going to affect what looks to me to be the rather shaky marriage between Michelle and Barack. (What was Barack doing those several weeks alone in the South Pacific? In how many healthy marriages would that happen?)

    They've been married for 25 years and no domestic scandals adhere to either one of them. It wasn't all that unusual 50 years ago for a couple with the requisite disposable income to travel separately and leave their children in the care of others for periods of time.

    It wasn’t all that unusual 50 years ago for a couple with the requisite disposable income to travel separately and leave their children in the care of others for periods of time.

    An assertion that doesn’t pass the smell test. Today? Maybe. 50 years ago? Bizarre.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    No, the world we live in is child-centered to a degree the world I grew up in (and my father grew up in) was not.
    , @Johann Ricke

    An assertion that doesn’t pass the smell test. Today? Maybe. 50 years ago? Bizarre.
     
    I think that's inverted. 50 years ago, it was perfectly fine to leave your kids at boarding school and never see them until the school holidays. Not today, when parents who don't show up for every one of their athletic or theatrical fumblings are guilty of child abuse.
    , @PiltdownMan
    It was not at all uncommon 50 years ago, when I was a child. It is far less common today.

    My older siblings were left at home for a week with a temporary nanny when my parents went on a four-day holiday with a group of adult married friends in the early 1950s, who did the same with their children.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    Speaking of lengthy separations...

    In March 1909, after the conclusion of his second term as president, Theodore Roosevelt headed off on an African safari from which he didn't return until June 1910. His wife remained at home.

    In 1913, following his failed Bull Moose Party candidacy, TR led a two-year expedition to the Amazon basin, where he nearly died of tropical disease. His wife joined him for only the first few months of that trip.

    But hey, it's TR. No homo.
  104. @black sea
    I think that's a reasonable default assumption. That's one reason why I find it difficult to identify with the passions of those who view Politician X or Y as a savior, or champion of the cause (whatever the cause is).

    Politicians generally strike me as somewhat creepy and manipulative megalomaniacs, and I suspect the role they play in our society only intensifies these already inherent traits. A reasonably honest and ethical person would simply find it too psychologically disruptive to engage in the kind of stuff that politicians have to treat as the everyday "givens" of their chosen profession.

    I'm not saying it's impossible to maintain some ethical compass in the world of politics, but I'm sure it's damn difficult, and exhausting for those who try, and eventually it wears out people who aren't by nature inclined to do or say whatever greases the machine, and to hell with the consequences.

    Roosevelt was supposed to have said to a group of advocates who came to see him:

    You convinced me. Now go back home and put pressure on me.

    The most ethical person, and the most psychopathic dictator both need to stay within the boundaries of broad public consensus. It is therefore unrealistic to expect an elected official in such a humongous geopolitical entity as the US to carry any coherent set of positions by himself. To me, this means smaller countries and more grass roots interest groups…oh, and a more homogeneous electorate, position-wise, if not ethnic-wise.

    • Agree: MBlanc46
  105. @kihowi
    Maybe when we think we see gayness, it's actually his distaste for black women.

    …especially for those Built. Like. Men.

  106. @Art Deco
    I don’t see how Michelle’s affirmative action degree from Princeton adds any intellect to the Obama’s marriage.

    She graduated from college at age 21 and managed to pass the Illinois bar exam . She does all right. Her problem, like her husband's is that she's a spendthrift who's just not very interested in much of anything in the realm of professional or intellectual endeavour.

    She got into Princeton on a AA ticket, her thesis at best was something you would read in a community college or HS class.

    Had she been judged solely on her intellect, she’d have probably ended up in a community college and graduated with AA in pol sci.

    Spendthrift? Where in the hell did you get that idea. She lived off the taxpayer like royalty. She dressed in the most high end and leading fashions. She romped around the world like a jet setter. Her kids went to a very elite school and didn’t eat the crap she was forcing on kids in public schools.

    All in all Michelle has behaved like a typical low class, low intellect black female. Focus on parties, clothes, meeting celebrities, attending all the right social events. Classic empty vessel.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    Rod1963,
    In this case, AD's use of the term "spendthrift" means exactly as you describe; to spend profligately.
    , @Art Deco
    her thesis at best was something you would read in a community college or HS class.

    You've read it?

    She was admitted to the Illinois bar, which I think is fairly unusual for community college students.
    , @Art Deco
    All in all Michelle has behaved like a typical low class, low intellect black female.

    She comes from a solid working class family (IIRC, papa a technician at the water authority). She has no known history of actual low class behavior prevalent among her contemporaries (e.g bastardy). Valerie Jarrett, an old money mulatto, has a divorce proceeding in her past. Mooch does not. She's a familiar type: a highly appearance-oriented bourgeois striver. I'd be astonished if you could find a recording of her speaking in the demotic or a picture of her looking ratchet.
  107. In Garrow’s telling, Obama made emotional judgments on political grounds. A close mutual friend of the couple recalls Obama explaining that “the lines are very clearly drawn. . . . If I am going out with a white woman, I have no standing here.” …

    That’s an interesting observation and pulled quote from “a close mutual friend of the couple”. I think I would rewrite it thus:

    “In Garrow’s telling, Obama made emotional judgments on tribal, racist grounds. A close mutual friend of the couple recalls Obama explaining that “the lines are very clearly drawn. . . . If I am going out with a white woman, I have no standing here.”

    Welcome to the new world, where the old “racism” (White – Bad) is replaced with the new “racism” (Nonwhite – Good).

    I’ll steal a line from the Who’s Won’t Get Fooled Again: “Meet the new Boss; same as the old Boss”.

  108. @Buzz Mohawk
    That's certainly true at the national level.

    At the lower levels, not so much. I currently know three state senators pretty well, and that's not unusual or a big deal. They're just guys whose lines of work put them in contact with the public and with civic leaders. They each decided to take on a part-time political job that involves driving to the state capital a lot and voting on shit.

    It's the kind of natural move that we expect in America. We're supposed to govern ourselves, so somebody has to do it. That's not to say that they don't want ego-gratification and that they don't represent their own, little cliques of economic interest; they do.

    It's neither glamorous nor lucrative, but they do get special license plates, which may persuade highway patrolmen to ignore a little spirited driving. Gotta go vote on the latest legislation, after all! (Wink)

    I’m re-reading a book, Law of Civilization and Decay, which claims, among many other interesting observations, that the larger the government, the more expensive and the more destructive the bureaucracy. One of the ongoing characteristics of government is a tendency towards centralization, and a basic change from the qualities that made the country successful in the first place.

    Under federalist theory, the locus of power was only slightly in favor of Washington, with the states holding most of the local prerogatives. This puts a lot more interest on the genuinely human qualities you describe.

    But, centralization occurred over two centuries, and we now find ourselves more in the situation of an empire, with the emperor elected every 4 years. And even if the emperor started out human, no way will he end up that way.

  109. MB says: • Website
    @Xyz
    Why has it taken almost a decade for this amount of detail about his early life to come out in the mainstream media? Any other President would have had the media outing this woman during the 2008 Primary. We knew this level of info about Romney's grade school shenanigans minutes after he won his first Primary.

    We’re talking about the new Magic Negro which is what Rousseau’s Noble Savage unpolluted by Western cancer civilization has morphed into these days, along with the other usual suspect minorities: Homosexuals, feminist women, transgenders etc.

    FTM Buchanan, Spengler, and others including Steve and Stix, have mentioned the 20 years GW Obama spent in the black version of a KKK church which would have been more than enough to torpedo any white or Rethuglican candidate.

    [BTW Steve, congratulations on letting the bigtime catch up with you. ]

  110. @Art Deco
    There is no 'issue of his place of birth'. He was born in Honolulu. There's a crew of hobbyists who amuse themselves pretending he was not. Garrow's not among them, nor is anyone of sense.

    Sadly, I think you’re correct. The founding fathers, intending that a President will have American values rather than values developed in a foreign country, even one as close as England, put the domestic birth requirement in the Constitution. Being wise, but not all-seeing, they didn’t anticipate the situation of someone being born in the US, but whisked immediately to a foreign culture and thus viewing US culture as simply a tool like any other, for the achievement of other goals, like socialism and a global order.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    "The founding fathers ... put the domestic birth requirement in the Constitution."

    No they didn't. Read the bloody thing.
    , @Art Deco
    He spent about 5 years living in Indonesia (1966-71). From 1961-66, his mother shuffled back and forth between Honolulu and Seattle. Again, listen to him speak Malay. It's doubtful the place made much of an impression on him. Much more troublesome would be the kultursmog of a certain sort of educated bourgeois that was around at the time, certainly produced in quantity by his mother and the various faculties he listened to.
  111. @Art Deco
    Today’s accepted understanding is that homosexuality is fixed from birth,

    Accepted by whom? Discordant identical twin sets are more common than homosexual identical twin sets.

    Deco, I got it;

    You ‘re shotgunning for Obamas being a model of whistle-clean heterosexual marriage.

    Reason?

    “They’ve been married for 25 years and no domestic scandals adhere to either one of them…”

    OK.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject…if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject…if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject…if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject…if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject…if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject…if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    Got it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Deco, I got it;

    No, you don't. People are spinning fantasies and indulging in trash talk. There's no reason to think they have a particularly damaged marriage. If there were, you'd be able to point to it. Instead, you're suggesting that if you can imagine something, it must be so. There are enough real problems with this pair that it's kinda witless to be chuffering over imaginary ones.
  112. @Art Deco
    “We keep electing sociopaths because what we want from our leaders is impossible and only liars would promise it to us.” – Brainsturbator

    Elections tell you, in a rough way, what people will put up with. Among the general run of voters, that means just about anything but property tax hikes, poisons in the drinking water, mismanaging emergency response to an ice storm or blizzard, cancelling the football season (in Texas), or doing something that makes you look risible. Otherwise, politicians can get away with just about anything. Black voters will cast a ballot for any Democratic incumbent who has not lost face according to a set of criteria occult to most other voters. Coleman Young and Marion Barry each served four terms each, dreadful performance notwithstanding.

    Most of the foregoing has little impact on those in legislative positions. There, the problem for the incumbent politician is a challenger with the spunk and funding to put him under a magnifying glass. That doesn't happen all that often.

    To Art Deco,

    Appreciate your comments, which are knowledgeable even if not exactly what I want to hear.

    I think the qualities of emperor/leader you describe are very dependent on the homogeneity of the electorate. An electorate evenly split between cohorts of very different values give the opportunity for a government-by-decree, which is generally how Obama ruled.

    The Supreme Court mandate on proportional representation put the lid on the coffin of real representative government. Proportional representation gives racial demagogues like Luis Gutiérrez, Keith Ellison, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee absolutely no reason to take any broad constituency other than blacks or Mexican self-identified nationals, into account.

    If you have smaller, more geographically homogeneous countries, there can be better representation in the government, rather than simply an exchange of dictators.

  113. @RonaldB
    Sadly, I think you're correct. The founding fathers, intending that a President will have American values rather than values developed in a foreign country, even one as close as England, put the domestic birth requirement in the Constitution. Being wise, but not all-seeing, they didn't anticipate the situation of someone being born in the US, but whisked immediately to a foreign culture and thus viewing US culture as simply a tool like any other, for the achievement of other goals, like socialism and a global order.

    “The founding fathers … put the domestic birth requirement in the Constitution.”

    No they didn’t. Read the bloody thing.

    • Replies: @RonaldB

    5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
     
    I don't know what your issue is, but unless you find somebody about 230 years old, the born on US soil of US-citizen parents is pretty widely accepted as a definition of "natural born". You might dispute the designation of having US-citizen parents, but born on US soil is generally accepted.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    Explain.
  114. @Georgina

    I wonder when he took the LSAT.
     
    Steve,

    Why do you wonder when he took the LSATs?

    “Why do you wonder when he took the LSATs?”

    Internet search puts it 87 88. But so what, were his other options? Foreign service. I have seen videos of him speaking a few sentences in Indonesian, is he fluent, and if not why not?

    If he bailed on the Asian lady, maybe he was thinking Hawaii vs Mainland USA politics.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I have seen videos of him speaking a few sentences in Indonesian, is he fluent, and if not why not?

    It's a Malay trader's dialect that someone christened 'Bahasa Indonesia'. I've seen the video. It's doubtful he's minimally proficient.
  115. @Rod1963
    I'm sure his sponsors knew all about his sexual peccadilloes.

    And it explains why he married a female gorilla instead of a hot looking black babe. It's probably all he could get. The thing is gays in the black community aren't that well liked, they are on the outs. And no self-respecting black woman is going to hook up with one because of the shit she's gonna take from other blacks.

    The thing is gays in the black community aren’t that well liked, they are on the outs.

    Anecdote: The only time in my professional life when I’ve encountered any form of honest-to-God racial/religious/sex/sexual-orientation discrimination was when a black client basically told me that he wouldn’t work with associate X because the associate was gay. (Associate X was also white, but my whole section was too.)

  116. @slumber_j
    From the linked piece:

    “Three years later, Obama wrote somewhat elusively to his first intimate girlfriend that he had thought about and considered gayness, but ultimately had decided that a same-sex relationship would be less challenging and demanding than developing one with the opposite sex,” Garrow wrote.
     
    I'm sorry: What?!! Who has ever resolved sexual confusion that way?

    He's just bullshitting his girlfriend there, trying to sound thoughtful by spewing what is obvious nonsense to anyone but him. Apparently with the young BHO, it was bullshit all the way down.

    Does the book ever quote the letter directly? I distrust a paraphrase. It seems hard to think of any way in which the real quote could be less damning, but I would still like to know exactly what Obama really wrote.

  117. @Art Deco
    I don’t see how Michelle’s affirmative action degree from Princeton adds any intellect to the Obama’s marriage.

    She graduated from college at age 21 and managed to pass the Illinois bar exam . She does all right. Her problem, like her husband's is that she's a spendthrift who's just not very interested in much of anything in the realm of professional or intellectual endeavour.

    From her Wikipedia entry:

    She recalls that some of her teachers in high school tried to dissuade her from applying, that she had been told she was “setting my sights too high”.[33][34] She believed that her brother’s status as an alumnus may have helped her during the admission process

    I agree her interest level in anything intellectual is low, but Michelle was an AA case all the way.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I don't doubt she received mulligans in the admissions process. The phrase 'affirmative action degree' suggests she received them from her teachers as well. If there's an indication she did, no one's presented it.
  118. @Art Deco
    You smoke cigarettes all your life, your probability of being cut down by lung cancer increases 30-fold over what it would be had you never smoked. It declines if you quit, but at a leisurely pace. Emphysema is another risk. If the risk is worth it to you it's worth it to you, but no one's conning you. (Among my first and 2d degree relations, I've had 4 with emphysema and 1 with lung cancer - all l/t smokers; 1 l/t smoker avoided both).

    I think cigarette smoking is also associated with a greater risk of heart disease.

  119. @Ragno
    The book sounds mildly intriguing, but are 1500 pages justified?

    Agreed. Most biographies are far too long these days. I’m reminded of the Samuel Johnson quote, “I had no time to write you a short letter, so I wrote you a long letter.”

  120. @dearieme
    "The founding fathers ... put the domestic birth requirement in the Constitution."

    No they didn't. Read the bloody thing.

    5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    I don’t know what your issue is, but unless you find somebody about 230 years old, the born on US soil of US-citizen parents is pretty widely accepted as a definition of “natural born”. You might dispute the designation of having US-citizen parents, but born on US soil is generally accepted.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    "the born on US soil of US-citizen parents is pretty widely accepted as a definition of “natural born”. Generally accepted in the sense of "entirely made up".
    , @Art Deco
    born on US soil of US-citizen parents is pretty widely accepted as a definition of “natural born”.

    See Michael Rappaport. British statutory law from about 1730 recognized those born abroad of British parentage as British from birth. The U.S. Congress made this explicit in statutory law as early as 1790. One of the things about which the 14th Amendment is clear is that those born in the United States 'and subject to the jurisdiction thereof' are citizens from birth. Marco Rubio qualifies and Ted Cruz qualifies.
  121. @RonaldB
    You shouldn't be surprised that a specialized subspecies arises to compete for positions of great wealth, fame, and power.

    The larger the geographical boundaries of the country, the more extensive and expensive the bureaucracy is, and the more remote the leadership is from accountability, the more differentiated the leadership class will become.

    It would probably be better for the US and Canada to split up into two or three countries each, based broadly on political orientation. It might even be beneficial to very blue states, having to live close to the consequences of their own governance, rather than mediating through an all-powerful federal government.

    The main downside of such an event would be the weakening of the military, which would have to focus more on defensive strategy, and protection of genuinely vital interests, rather than a global chessboard.

    Why is a weakening of the military a downside? A military devoted to protecting genuinely vital national interests has been a plus for Switzerland.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    I was being a bit sardonic.
  122. @Forbes
    Getting married means having children which would've crimped the doctorate. The parents were likely not interested in flushing the grad school money down the drain.

    You really think they paid out significant amounts for a doctorate program in anthropology in the 1980s? She probably didn’t have to pay tuition.

    Plus, the sooner she was married, the sooner she would have another source of support.

  123. @slumber_j
    From the linked piece:

    “Three years later, Obama wrote somewhat elusively to his first intimate girlfriend that he had thought about and considered gayness, but ultimately had decided that a same-sex relationship would be less challenging and demanding than developing one with the opposite sex,” Garrow wrote.
     
    I'm sorry: What?!! Who has ever resolved sexual confusion that way?

    He's just bullshitting his girlfriend there, trying to sound thoughtful by spewing what is obvious nonsense to anyone but him. Apparently with the young BHO, it was bullshit all the way down.

    Do you think that claiming gay proclivities to break up with his first girlfriend could be a version of the George Costanza from Seinfeld break-up line “It’s not you, its me”?

    “You’re givin’ me the its not you it’s me routine? I invented its not you, it’s me!”

  124. @LongtimeReader
    Hi, Steve, when I tried to share this article, facebook said that the link couldn't be used. I tried numerous times and then resorted to editing the link to end it at the word "bio" and posting it directly to my timeline. Even then, facebook displayed some other article of yours in the space below and I had to manually "X" it, but the link itself then worked. Is Facebook censoring you or is it a true technical problem?

    I have had the exact same thing happen with Scott Adams’ blog

  125. @Xyz
    Why has it taken almost a decade for this amount of detail about his early life to come out in the mainstream media? Any other President would have had the media outing this woman during the 2008 Primary. We knew this level of info about Romney's grade school shenanigans minutes after he won his first Primary.

    Obama’s a Dem and Romney’s a Repub?

  126. @Georgina

    I wonder when he took the LSAT.
     
    Steve,

    Why do you wonder when he took the LSATs?

    I think Steve’s interest in the precise month/year BHO took the LSAT is related to the obvious change in his personality, his “blossoming,” as it were. Steve has written on this subject before: since there’s no evidence that Obama’s grades at either Occidental or Columbia were anything to write home about, something other than sheer affirmative action must have gotten him into Harvard Law School. Someone else did cross-tabulations on admissions to Harvard Law School from Columbia in the relevant year, and found that two African-American applicants from Columbia to HLS scored in the top few percentile on the LSAT (maybe 95th+ percentile). Steve reasoned that BHO was likely one of those two.

    Steve further concluded that upon receiving his (presumably) very high LSAT score, BHO underwent a personality transformation of sorts, finally realizing that that a world-class political career was within his reach. And of course, once he got to Harvard Law School, everyone else treated him like the Black Messiah, and starting thinking of him as a potential president. How many people in their twenties have the cold self-knowledge to take excessive flattery as just that, as opposed to believing the hype? BHO believed the hype. Acing the LSAT made him think of himself as an ubermensch.

    Self-delusion? Maybe. But how many countries have you been president of?

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    That period when he went from being kinda OK to pretty good is interesting. His LSAT scores were good, but probably wouldn't have gotten him into HLS if he wasn't black. He was in about the 94-98th percentile. http://www.unz.com/isteve/obamas-lsat-score/

    While at HLS he did well, but probably not that well, and I don't think he ever wrote very competently. Jack Cashill has some perceptive critiques of Obama's HLS article, for example. Still, he went from "probably B+/A-" grades at Occidental/Columbia to doing well enough at HLS, when he racked up solid academic results. He didn't do spectacularly well before that, and he didn't have a academic legal publishing record after that. He seems to be smart sometimes, but also of fairly low energy levels. I'm deeply suspicious of his well-reviewed first bio. I haven't seen him writing like that again.

    I suspect he matured later, white-guy style. He may well have been smoking dope in high school and college, and that kept him mentally slow and lazy until he stopped. He got better and sharpened up, but his HLS period grades still do not seem to fit his profile. I wonder what happened to him there.
  127. @LongtimeReader
    Hi, Steve, when I tried to share this article, facebook said that the link couldn't be used. I tried numerous times and then resorted to editing the link to end it at the word "bio" and posting it directly to my timeline. Even then, facebook displayed some other article of yours in the space below and I had to manually "X" it, but the link itself then worked. Is Facebook censoring you or is it a true technical problem?

    Facebook is likely marking off Unz as fake news.

  128. @Abe

    Malia O. is on a path of such Regression to The Mean Luo, that the whole new wing of Betty Ford Institute would be named after her.
     
    I've several times predicted that "whiskey-tango" Sarah Palin's grandkids would likely be of higher social status, or at least more "respectable" (as measured by incarceration, long-term drug use, welfare dependency) than Michelle Obama's. Heck, shirt tails-to-shirt tails can occur WITHIN a generation. Look at Whitney Houston- best female singer I've ever heard, and truly a beautiful woman (unlike foot-face Celine, or d!ck- don't-be-raciss-now! Beyoncé ) and yet dies a scuzzy early death, drugged out in her own bathtub .

    Speaking ’bout that Nice (at least,when she was young) Black Lady and her devastating life-choices :

    the wrong marital partner died…

    Humanity’s remaining hope is that Adele won’t overdose on bacon & peanut butter infused donuts.

    • Replies: @Clark Westwood

    Speaking ’bout that Nice
     
    How do you get this site to give you a proper apostrophe like that?
  129. @JohnnyD
    @Candid_Observer,
    Garrow's book about Martin Luther King Jr. goes into detail about King's adultery, plagiarism, and his later embrace of Marxism. So, I don't think his conclusions about Obama will hurt his reputation.

    I think that Garrow’s reputation had been established in an era — the late eighties — in which well grounded truth still trumped issues of politics. Thus, in that age, if Garrow could produce irrefutable evidence that MLK Jr was an adulterer, plagiarist, etc., then, as unpleasant as that truth might be, he was considered to be doing good journalism.

    I don’t think this is any longer true, as the shortest inspection of such publications as the NY Times and The New Yorker makes manifest.

  130. @Diversity Heretic
    Why is a weakening of the military a downside? A military devoted to protecting genuinely vital national interests has been a plus for Switzerland.

    I was being a bit sardonic.

  131. We commenters are interested. Did he cite your book on Obama? Did he show that he’d read it? Detecting Sailertraces is always interesting.

    Eric Rasmusen, Twitter: rasmuse.

  132. @The Anti-Gnostic
    But with cocaine users, it becomes all about the cocaine, not about being able to afford tailored suits and have thousands of people erupt in cheers when you talk to them, and being able to direct vast streams of tax dollars to your friends.

    If there are any cocaine users who are able to dose it judiciously I haven't met them. Maybe in leaf form it works like that.

    I’ll cop to having dabbled with powder in the eighties. It was a weekend thing for a couple of years. When I went abroad to work for two years I gave it up and have never returned. I gather that crack is much more addicted.

  133. @The Anti-Gnostic
    I seem to recall that Laura Bush smoked, and had a tacit agreement with the media not to photograph her with a cigarette because she didn't want to influence young people. Which is laudatory, because despite our efforts to paint it as declasse', having a cigarette just looks cool and feels cool. I'd smoke, but cancer or COPD is not a good way to go.

    The significance of the cocaine use to me is that he was able to walk away from it. Of the four people I knew who used cocaine, all four destroyed their lives with it.

    The significance of the cocaine use to me is that he was able to walk away from it. Of the four people I knew who used cocaine, all four destroyed their lives with it.

    Cocaine can be a very destructive drug, but I can’t help but strongly suspect you probably know more than four people who’ve done cocaine. The one’s who’s lives it didn’t destroy, simply never mentioned it to you.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  134. @dearieme
    When asked about Obama experimenting with homosexuality, Garrow replied, “I think anyone and everyone, no matter what their role in life deserves a certain basic degree of privacy, in that context.”

    Meaning "yes he did". So the usual question: who knew and on what subjects did they blackmail him?

    One could also take Garrow’s statement here as a shot across the bow to Obama or anyone else who might go after Garrow: attack me, and I’ll reveal more.

  135. heavily Muslim countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, and Kenya

    Oh my …
    Kenya: 83% Christian

  136. @dearieme
    When asked about Obama experimenting with homosexuality, Garrow replied, “I think anyone and everyone, no matter what their role in life deserves a certain basic degree of privacy, in that context.”

    Meaning "yes he did". So the usual question: who knew and on what subjects did they blackmail him?

    “I think anyone and everyone, no matter what their role in life deserves a certain basic degree of privacy, in that context.”

    This is indeed a very strange thing to say if you could truthfully say instead “No, I found no real evidence that he had experimented around.”

    • Replies: @Clark Westwood
    Exactly. It's a way of confirming without confirming.

    "You might say so, but I couldn't possibly comment."
  137. @Art Deco
    but that she seems to be the least supportive spouse in history.

    No, the prize goes to Mrs. Franklin Pierce.

    Bess Truman, Jackie Kennedy, Pat Nixon, and Betty Ford were ambivalent on a good day about their routines in the White House. Mooch has company.

    But the Pierces experienced family tragedy shortly before taking office. They were both devastated.

  138. @dearieme
    "The founding fathers ... put the domestic birth requirement in the Constitution."

    No they didn't. Read the bloody thing.

    Explain.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    The authors of the Constitution wrote decent English. They were entirely capable of requiring unambiguously that the President be born within the country. They didn't. Instead they used an expression familiar to everyone who knew English law, the law that they had all grown up with. And it carried no implication of being born in the country. None. It's just ignorance or conceit to claim otherwise.
  139. @Rod1963
    She got into Princeton on a AA ticket, her thesis at best was something you would read in a community college or HS class.

    Had she been judged solely on her intellect, she'd have probably ended up in a community college and graduated with AA in pol sci.

    Spendthrift? Where in the hell did you get that idea. She lived off the taxpayer like royalty. She dressed in the most high end and leading fashions. She romped around the world like a jet setter. Her kids went to a very elite school and didn't eat the crap she was forcing on kids in public schools.

    All in all Michelle has behaved like a typical low class, low intellect black female. Focus on parties, clothes, meeting celebrities, attending all the right social events. Classic empty vessel.

    Rod1963,
    In this case, AD’s use of the term “spendthrift” means exactly as you describe; to spend profligately.

  140. The comments here are incredibly pathetic.

    Let’s see. At 25 man decides he’s going to become President, status quo the most powerful man in the world. He does it! Not once, but twice. Two terms!

    No amount of whining from you louts will change that. Now if you guys were to, I dunno, apply a tenth of his dedication to your goals: limiting immigration e.t.c. You’d get it too.

    Wonder why you guys keep losing on every front?? Read.The.Damn.Comment.Section!!

    Whine, whine, whine whine.

    P.S Macron is currently wiping the floor with Le Pen. Chalk that up as another L. Pathetic!

    • Troll: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Now if you guys were to, I dunno, apply a tenth of his dedication to your goals: limiting immigration e.t.c. You’d get it too.

    What can we do?
    , @anon
    No amount of whining from you louts will change that.

    "Lout"?!? Well, I never!

    ...

    No, really. I never have been called a "lout" before. I've actually never been witness to anyone else ever being called a "lout" either. And, for what it's worth, it's not really a word that applies to us, really. Do people often say "lout" in Nigeria? If so, that's kind of funny.

  141. @bored identity
    Speaking 'bout that Nice (at least,when she was young) Black Lady and her devastating life-choices :

    the wrong marital partner died...



    Humanity's remaining hope is that Adele won't overdose on bacon & peanut butter infused donuts.

    Speaking ’bout that Nice

    How do you get this site to give you a proper apostrophe like that?

  142. @candid_observer
    “I think anyone and everyone, no matter what their role in life deserves a certain basic degree of privacy, in that context.”

    This is indeed a very strange thing to say if you could truthfully say instead "No, I found no real evidence that he had experimented around."

    Exactly. It’s a way of confirming without confirming.

    “You might say so, but I couldn’t possibly comment.”

  143. @Hodag
    1987 was a good time to stop being gay since dudes were dropping dead left and right from AIDS. It appears he left NY in 1985 at the height of the panic. Chicago was relatively untouched compared to NY and San Fran.

    The Republican governor at the time (Jim Thompson) was/is gay. The mayor, Harold Washington, was gay. Dennis Hastert was still coaching wrestling.

    1987 was a good time to stop being gay since dudes were dropping dead left and right from AIDS. It appears he left NY in 1985 at the height of the panic. Chicago was relatively untouched compared to NY and San Fran.

    Actually, it was all over the place in 1985, when thousands of new cases were diagnosed every quarter. The number of new diagnoses peaked around 1992 and the census of patients around 1995. The annual death toll crashed around 2002-03.

    The Republican governor at the time (Jim Thompson) was/is gay.

    In your imagination.

    The mayor, Harold Washington, was gay.

    In the imagination of prankster David K. Nelson.

    Dennis Hastert was still coaching wrestling.

    Hastert quit coaching in 1981.

  144. @Barnard
    From her Wikipedia entry:

    She recalls that some of her teachers in high school tried to dissuade her from applying, that she had been told she was "setting my sights too high".[33][34] She believed that her brother's status as an alumnus may have helped her during the admission process
     
    I agree her interest level in anything intellectual is low, but Michelle was an AA case all the way.

    I don’t doubt she received mulligans in the admissions process. The phrase ‘affirmative action degree’ suggests she received them from her teachers as well. If there’s an indication she did, no one’s presented it.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Her thesis should suffice.
  145. @George
    "Why do you wonder when he took the LSATs?"

    Internet search puts it 87 88. But so what, were his other options? Foreign service. I have seen videos of him speaking a few sentences in Indonesian, is he fluent, and if not why not?

    If he bailed on the Asian lady, maybe he was thinking Hawaii vs Mainland USA politics.

    I have seen videos of him speaking a few sentences in Indonesian, is he fluent, and if not why not?

    It’s a Malay trader’s dialect that someone christened ‘Bahasa Indonesia’. I’ve seen the video. It’s doubtful he’s minimally proficient.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan


    I have seen videos of him speaking a few sentences in Indonesian, is he fluent, and if not why not?
     
    It’s a Malay trader’s dialect that someone christened ‘Bahasa Indonesia’. I’ve seen the video. It’s doubtful he’s minimally proficient.

     
    Bahasa Indonesia is derived from many sources, and in its formal, present-day form, is standardized. Much of it is derived from Old Malay, a court language, but it is differentiated from Malaysian Malay in its heavy use of words derived from Sanskrit, which is not surprising, given Java's relatively recent history as a site of Hindu and Buddhist kingdoms.

    Street/trader Malay is more commonly spoken in Singapore, but it is fading out, and being replaced by a creole variant of English known as Singlish.

    ... is he fluent, and if not why not?
     

    It would be unusual for someone who picks up a language at an elementary school level as an expatriate kid to maintain proficiency into their sixth decade of life, if there has been no contact in the intervening years. People lose proficiency in their mother tongue if they haven't spoken it in decades. This is commonly observed in America among assimilated first-generation immigrants who arrived here as children.
  146. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I could swear there is a video of Obama saying he always wanted to be President of the US from when he was a child( The Manchurian Candidate?:). It wasn’t that long ago and the speech was at a funeral and people were complaining of him talking about himself.
    So somewhere this whole non-sense with this woman seems fake. Or Obama is just a liar? Oh say it ain’t so.

  147. @bored identity
    Deco, I got it;

    You 're shotgunning for Obamas being a model of whistle-clean heterosexual marriage.

    Reason?

    "They’ve been married for 25 years and no domestic scandals adhere to either one of them..."

    OK.


    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject...if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject...if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject...if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject...if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.


    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject...if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.

    And how do we know that?

    Umhh, because NYT would have numerous reports on the subject...if Obamas ever got adhered, which they did not.





    Got it.

    Deco, I got it;

    No, you don’t. People are spinning fantasies and indulging in trash talk. There’s no reason to think they have a particularly damaged marriage. If there were, you’d be able to point to it. Instead, you’re suggesting that if you can imagine something, it must be so. There are enough real problems with this pair that it’s kinda witless to be chuffering over imaginary ones.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    Dear Deco,you played dumb in 2008, and for some unexplained, stubborn reason (unless you did some bathhouse rock with young Obama) you continue to do the same thang nine years later:



    MSM Starts to Notice Obama's Biography Gap
    Steve Sailer • July 25, 2008 • 200 Words • 61 Comments

    "...“Reporters who have covered Obama’s biography or his problems with certain voter blocs have been challenged the most aggressively.

    They’re terrified of people poking around Obama’s life,” one reporter says.

    “The whole Obama narrative is built around this narrative that Obama and David Axelrod built, and, like all stories, it’s not entirely true.

    So they have to be protective of the crown jewels.”

    Another reporter notes that, during the last year, Obama’s old friends and Harvard classmates were requested not to talk to the press without permission.”

    Sailer's comment:

    Better late than never, I suppose …

    By the way, can you imagine being asked not to talk to the press about some guy you went to school with without his permission?

    http://www.unz.com/comments/isteve/msm-starts-to-notice-obamas-biography/

     

    And this what Art of Deco Denial had to say about this subject:

    Hussein Woz Undisputed Ekselente Smegma Cum Laude King of Harvard Academia :

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/msm-starts-to-notice-obamas-biography/#comment-223355


    "Instead, you’re suggesting that if you can imagine something, it must be so"
    Therefore,remember it's still 2008, Art of Deco Deal is selling us Barak as an...Outsider!
    What kind of macron one has to be to buy that?:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/msm-starts-to-notice-obamas-biography/#comment-223344

    For Real Presidential Candidate's Friends Who Ain't Snitches Will Avoid Stitches:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/msm-starts-to-notice-obamas-biography/#comment-223330


    I'm done.
  148. @RonaldB
    Sadly, I think you're correct. The founding fathers, intending that a President will have American values rather than values developed in a foreign country, even one as close as England, put the domestic birth requirement in the Constitution. Being wise, but not all-seeing, they didn't anticipate the situation of someone being born in the US, but whisked immediately to a foreign culture and thus viewing US culture as simply a tool like any other, for the achievement of other goals, like socialism and a global order.

    He spent about 5 years living in Indonesia (1966-71). From 1961-66, his mother shuffled back and forth between Honolulu and Seattle. Again, listen to him speak Malay. It’s doubtful the place made much of an impression on him. Much more troublesome would be the kultursmog of a certain sort of educated bourgeois that was around at the time, certainly produced in quantity by his mother and the various faculties he listened to.

  149. @Nigerian Nationalist
    The comments here are incredibly pathetic.

    Let's see. At 25 man decides he's going to become President, status quo the most powerful man in the world. He does it! Not once, but twice. Two terms!

    No amount of whining from you louts will change that. Now if you guys were to, I dunno, apply a tenth of his dedication to your goals: limiting immigration e.t.c. You'd get it too.

    Wonder why you guys keep losing on every front?? Read.The.Damn.Comment.Section!!

    Whine, whine, whine whine.

    P.S Macron is currently wiping the floor with Le Pen. Chalk that up as another L. Pathetic!

    Now if you guys were to, I dunno, apply a tenth of his dedication to your goals: limiting immigration e.t.c. You’d get it too.

    What can we do?

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    All I can say is find your inspiration from the Lenin's, Mao's, Alinsky's, Soros', and BHO's of the world. Whining while they accumulate power solves nothing though.

    I mean people, Nigeria managed to deport 3 million+ illegals. Nigeria!!
  150. @Rod1963
    She got into Princeton on a AA ticket, her thesis at best was something you would read in a community college or HS class.

    Had she been judged solely on her intellect, she'd have probably ended up in a community college and graduated with AA in pol sci.

    Spendthrift? Where in the hell did you get that idea. She lived off the taxpayer like royalty. She dressed in the most high end and leading fashions. She romped around the world like a jet setter. Her kids went to a very elite school and didn't eat the crap she was forcing on kids in public schools.

    All in all Michelle has behaved like a typical low class, low intellect black female. Focus on parties, clothes, meeting celebrities, attending all the right social events. Classic empty vessel.

    her thesis at best was something you would read in a community college or HS class.

    You’ve read it?

    She was admitted to the Illinois bar, which I think is fairly unusual for community college students.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    I appreciate the measured, sober content of your comments in this thread.

    Michelle Robinson's senior thesis was (is?) accessible as a PDF, directly from the Princeton library, IIRC. It was a readable but dull recounting of some conventional liberal tropes of the day. With enough of the small errors that say, "didn't bother proofreading," or "didn't know how." Not something that an Ivy League grad would typically look back on with any great pride.
    , @Luxeternae
    Hey! I did it and then picked up Minnesota and Florida as well. Still...read that thesis if you can stomach the cringe worthy. The real professional registration issue is why she withdrew from the Illinois list of registered attorneys while Barry simply requested suspension of registration. She would need to reapply and be tested just like a new law school grad if she wants to be licensed again. Barry just needs to request reactivation. Given the choice why withdraw? Well, when the attorney for the Registration and Disciplinary Commision lays out the case they have against you in the private meeting you quit to avoid a disciplinary hearing. They had her.
  151. @slumber_j
    From the linked piece:

    “Three years later, Obama wrote somewhat elusively to his first intimate girlfriend that he had thought about and considered gayness, but ultimately had decided that a same-sex relationship would be less challenging and demanding than developing one with the opposite sex,” Garrow wrote.
     
    I'm sorry: What?!! Who has ever resolved sexual confusion that way?

    He's just bullshitting his girlfriend there, trying to sound thoughtful by spewing what is obvious nonsense to anyone but him. Apparently with the young BHO, it was bullshit all the way down.

    Was she even his girlfriend at that time?

  152. @Anonymous
    23 would have been extremely young to get married in the 1980s, especially for an intelligent, well-educated, presumably ambitious woman. This wan't Little House on the Prairie time, or even the 1950s.

    Why wait?

  153. @Ragno
    The book sounds mildly intriguing, but are 1500 pages justified?

    The review contains other interesting info not copied to iSteve and says the book is not dull, so maybe yes.

  154. @Rod1963
    She got into Princeton on a AA ticket, her thesis at best was something you would read in a community college or HS class.

    Had she been judged solely on her intellect, she'd have probably ended up in a community college and graduated with AA in pol sci.

    Spendthrift? Where in the hell did you get that idea. She lived off the taxpayer like royalty. She dressed in the most high end and leading fashions. She romped around the world like a jet setter. Her kids went to a very elite school and didn't eat the crap she was forcing on kids in public schools.

    All in all Michelle has behaved like a typical low class, low intellect black female. Focus on parties, clothes, meeting celebrities, attending all the right social events. Classic empty vessel.

    All in all Michelle has behaved like a typical low class, low intellect black female.

    She comes from a solid working class family (IIRC, papa a technician at the water authority). She has no known history of actual low class behavior prevalent among her contemporaries (e.g bastardy). Valerie Jarrett, an old money mulatto, has a divorce proceeding in her past. Mooch does not. She’s a familiar type: a highly appearance-oriented bourgeois striver. I’d be astonished if you could find a recording of her speaking in the demotic or a picture of her looking ratchet.

  155. @Forbes

    It wasn’t all that unusual 50 years ago for a couple with the requisite disposable income to travel separately and leave their children in the care of others for periods of time.
     
    An assertion that doesn't pass the smell test. Today? Maybe. 50 years ago? Bizarre.

    No, the world we live in is child-centered to a degree the world I grew up in (and my father grew up in) was not.

  156. @dearieme
    " and managed to pass the Illinois bar exam". True, but she failed her first attempt.

    She's always seemed surly to me; is she?

    That she failed is the moderator’s surmise. Not a bad argument, but not proven.

    About 20% of the lawyers admitted to the bar require two passes at the exam. It’s among those requiring three or four passes you find the marginal lawyers.

    Michelle had a tour through BigLaw. Most BigLaw associates do not succeed in gaining partnerships. I knew a fellow who’d scored a clerkship with a state appellate judge who lasted one year in BigLaw. It’s a reasonable guess the hiring manager gave her a mulligan. Doesn’t mean she’d not have made a satisfactory general practice lawyer, had she cared to continue practice. Instead, she was adopted by Valerie Jarrett and scored a patronage job at city hall.

  157. @dearieme
    " and managed to pass the Illinois bar exam". True, but she failed her first attempt.

    She's always seemed surly to me; is she?

    She’s always seemed surly to me; is she?

    I didn’t marry her.

    She has a snippy/moody exterior now and again, but not the reputation that Hilligula has for being a terror to work for.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    Few have the reputation of Hillary the Hun.
  158. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder what Obama wanted to do when he grew up?

    “U.S. Senator Barack Obama made it official a few weeks ago that he is running for the presidency in 2008.

    But he declared his goal of becoming president when he was in grade school in Indonesia more than 35 years ago.

    In an interview with VOA’s Indonesian Service, Obama’s third-grade teacher said he wrote in a class assignment that he wanted to be president. The assignment was called, “What do you want to be when you grow up?””
    http://www.voanews.com/a/a-13-2007-01-31-voa32-66763502/563809.html

  159. @Rod1963
    I'm sure his sponsors knew all about his sexual peccadilloes.

    And it explains why he married a female gorilla instead of a hot looking black babe. It's probably all he could get. The thing is gays in the black community aren't that well liked, they are on the outs. And no self-respecting black woman is going to hook up with one because of the shit she's gonna take from other blacks.

    And it explains why he married a female gorilla

    He didn’t marry Serena Williams. Give it a rest.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    Woah Monsieur Deco, I'mma stop you right there. Serena is way, and I mean way hotter than Mrs Obama.

    Now Serena has made many a man go Lawd!!! with all the fervour of an auntie enraptured by the word at Sunday service. Mrs Obama on the other hand, ehh I doubt it.
  160. @Art Deco
    I don't doubt she received mulligans in the admissions process. The phrase 'affirmative action degree' suggests she received them from her teachers as well. If there's an indication she did, no one's presented it.

    Her thesis should suffice.

  161. Could Obama have afforded a cocaine habit on his salary? It’s not like he was working at Goldman Sachs. I know what Sidley and Austin used to pay its junior associates in the mid-1990s, having worked closely with the firm back then. I can’t imagine that cocaine was more than an occasional thing for Obama, and, in all likelihood, bummed off somebody else at parties.

  162. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Nigerian Nationalist
    The comments here are incredibly pathetic.

    Let's see. At 25 man decides he's going to become President, status quo the most powerful man in the world. He does it! Not once, but twice. Two terms!

    No amount of whining from you louts will change that. Now if you guys were to, I dunno, apply a tenth of his dedication to your goals: limiting immigration e.t.c. You'd get it too.

    Wonder why you guys keep losing on every front?? Read.The.Damn.Comment.Section!!

    Whine, whine, whine whine.

    P.S Macron is currently wiping the floor with Le Pen. Chalk that up as another L. Pathetic!

    No amount of whining from you louts will change that.

    “Lout”?!? Well, I never!

    No, really. I never have been called a “lout” before. I’ve actually never been witness to anyone else ever being called a “lout” either. And, for what it’s worth, it’s not really a word that applies to us, really. Do people often say “lout” in Nigeria? If so, that’s kind of funny.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    Well, we were colonised by the British much sooner than you guys, goes without saying that we still retain some of the old forms. Scallywag, Nincompoop, Fagging still means a boy serving his senior. Then again things have massively deteriorated.

    As for its application here, on the best of days, you guys on the best of days are a hilarious bunch with astute views. Bring up Obama, immigration or the African population however and the comment section becomes, well loutish.

    Unless of course, you disagree that some of the comments aimed at BHO are uncouth, uncalled for and most annoyingly, full of whining.
  163. @Art Deco
    her thesis at best was something you would read in a community college or HS class.

    You've read it?

    She was admitted to the Illinois bar, which I think is fairly unusual for community college students.

    I appreciate the measured, sober content of your comments in this thread.

    Michelle Robinson’s senior thesis was (is?) accessible as a PDF, directly from the Princeton library, IIRC. It was a readable but dull recounting of some conventional liberal tropes of the day. With enough of the small errors that say, “didn’t bother proofreading,” or “didn’t know how.” Not something that an Ivy League grad would typically look back on with any great pride.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Michelle Robinson’s senior thesis was (is?) accessible as a PDF, directly from the Princeton library, IIRC. It was a readable but dull recounting of some conventional liberal tropes of the day. With enough of the small errors that say, “didn’t bother proofreading,” or “didn’t know how.” Not something that an Ivy League grad would typically look back on with any great pride.
     
    Yeah, but you could say that of most undergrad thesis papers, Ivy League or otherwise. The truly intellectual or scholarly temperament is a rarity in an undergraduate, even at Princeton, regardless of race. These days, I daresay it is true of most Ph.D. theses, or even peer-reviewed and published papers in the humanities, though I expect they still bother to iron out the typos.
    , @James Kabala
    I think that many ISteve commenters just don't realize what a bad writer the average modern-day American is. The pedestrian prose of Michelle Obama's thesis may not be that great, but there is a lot worse out there. The occasional claims that it is semi-literate are highly exaggerated.
    , @dearieme
    At least she wrote the dissertation herself. That's more than JFK managed, apparently.
  164. There is a proverb in Harlem : Cocaine only nose what the cocaine blows.

    Did we deserve 8 years of this smug, mulatto hop head?

  165. @Art Deco
    I have seen videos of him speaking a few sentences in Indonesian, is he fluent, and if not why not?

    It's a Malay trader's dialect that someone christened 'Bahasa Indonesia'. I've seen the video. It's doubtful he's minimally proficient.

    I have seen videos of him speaking a few sentences in Indonesian, is he fluent, and if not why not?

    It’s a Malay trader’s dialect that someone christened ‘Bahasa Indonesia’. I’ve seen the video. It’s doubtful he’s minimally proficient.

    Bahasa Indonesia is derived from many sources, and in its formal, present-day form, is standardized. Much of it is derived from Old Malay, a court language, but it is differentiated from Malaysian Malay in its heavy use of words derived from Sanskrit, which is not surprising, given Java’s relatively recent history as a site of Hindu and Buddhist kingdoms.

    Street/trader Malay is more commonly spoken in Singapore, but it is fading out, and being replaced by a creole variant of English known as Singlish.

    … is he fluent, and if not why not?

    It would be unusual for someone who picks up a language at an elementary school level as an expatriate kid to maintain proficiency into their sixth decade of life, if there has been no contact in the intervening years. People lose proficiency in their mother tongue if they haven’t spoken it in decades. This is commonly observed in America among assimilated first-generation immigrants who arrived here as children.

  166. @Forbes

    It wasn’t all that unusual 50 years ago for a couple with the requisite disposable income to travel separately and leave their children in the care of others for periods of time.
     
    An assertion that doesn't pass the smell test. Today? Maybe. 50 years ago? Bizarre.

    An assertion that doesn’t pass the smell test. Today? Maybe. 50 years ago? Bizarre.

    I think that’s inverted. 50 years ago, it was perfectly fine to leave your kids at boarding school and never see them until the school holidays. Not today, when parents who don’t show up for every one of their athletic or theatrical fumblings are guilty of child abuse.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The idea that your parents must come to see your every baseball game is fairly new. My parents refused to come to any of my games, even though we lived two blocks away. which was fine because I usually struck out.
  167. @Johann Ricke

    An assertion that doesn’t pass the smell test. Today? Maybe. 50 years ago? Bizarre.
     
    I think that's inverted. 50 years ago, it was perfectly fine to leave your kids at boarding school and never see them until the school holidays. Not today, when parents who don't show up for every one of their athletic or theatrical fumblings are guilty of child abuse.

    The idea that your parents must come to see your every baseball game is fairly new. My parents refused to come to any of my games, even though we lived two blocks away. which was fine because I usually struck out.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps

    which was fine because I usually struck out
     
    LOL! (Because my LOL button never works)

    We must have had the same batting instructor in Little League.
  168. @Forbes

    It wasn’t all that unusual 50 years ago for a couple with the requisite disposable income to travel separately and leave their children in the care of others for periods of time.
     
    An assertion that doesn't pass the smell test. Today? Maybe. 50 years ago? Bizarre.

    It was not at all uncommon 50 years ago, when I was a child. It is far less common today.

    My older siblings were left at home for a week with a temporary nanny when my parents went on a four-day holiday with a group of adult married friends in the early 1950s, who did the same with their children.

  169. @ic1000
    I appreciate the measured, sober content of your comments in this thread.

    Michelle Robinson's senior thesis was (is?) accessible as a PDF, directly from the Princeton library, IIRC. It was a readable but dull recounting of some conventional liberal tropes of the day. With enough of the small errors that say, "didn't bother proofreading," or "didn't know how." Not something that an Ivy League grad would typically look back on with any great pride.

    Michelle Robinson’s senior thesis was (is?) accessible as a PDF, directly from the Princeton library, IIRC. It was a readable but dull recounting of some conventional liberal tropes of the day. With enough of the small errors that say, “didn’t bother proofreading,” or “didn’t know how.” Not something that an Ivy League grad would typically look back on with any great pride.

    Yeah, but you could say that of most undergrad thesis papers, Ivy League or otherwise. The truly intellectual or scholarly temperament is a rarity in an undergraduate, even at Princeton, regardless of race. These days, I daresay it is true of most Ph.D. theses, or even peer-reviewed and published papers in the humanities, though I expect they still bother to iron out the typos.

  170. @ic1000
    I appreciate the measured, sober content of your comments in this thread.

    Michelle Robinson's senior thesis was (is?) accessible as a PDF, directly from the Princeton library, IIRC. It was a readable but dull recounting of some conventional liberal tropes of the day. With enough of the small errors that say, "didn't bother proofreading," or "didn't know how." Not something that an Ivy League grad would typically look back on with any great pride.

    I think that many ISteve commenters just don’t realize what a bad writer the average modern-day American is. The pedestrian prose of Michelle Obama’s thesis may not be that great, but there is a lot worse out there. The occasional claims that it is semi-literate are highly exaggerated.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    She graduated thirty years ago, hardly "modern-day," and whatever the shortcomings of your typical Princetonian, they didn't write like that unless there was a substantial thumb on the scale, whether race, gender, or pedigree.
  171. @Art Deco
    Deco, I got it;

    No, you don't. People are spinning fantasies and indulging in trash talk. There's no reason to think they have a particularly damaged marriage. If there were, you'd be able to point to it. Instead, you're suggesting that if you can imagine something, it must be so. There are enough real problems with this pair that it's kinda witless to be chuffering over imaginary ones.

    Dear Deco,you played dumb in 2008, and for some unexplained, stubborn reason (unless you did some bathhouse rock with young Obama) you continue to do the same thang nine years later:

    MSM Starts to Notice Obama’s Biography Gap
    Steve Sailer • July 25, 2008 • 200 Words • 61 Comments

    “…“Reporters who have covered Obama’s biography or his problems with certain voter blocs have been challenged the most aggressively.

    They’re terrified of people poking around Obama’s life,” one reporter says.

    “The whole Obama narrative is built around this narrative that Obama and David Axelrod built, and, like all stories, it’s not entirely true.

    So they have to be protective of the crown jewels.”

    Another reporter notes that, during the last year, Obama’s old friends and Harvard classmates were requested not to talk to the press without permission.”

    Sailer’s comment:

    Better late than never, I suppose …

    By the way, can you imagine being asked not to talk to the press about some guy you went to school with without his permission?

    http://www.unz.com/comments/isteve/msm-starts-to-notice-obamas-biography/

    And this what Art of Deco Denial had to say about this subject:

    Hussein Woz Undisputed Ekselente Smegma Cum Laude King of Harvard Academia :

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/msm-starts-to-notice-obamas-biography/#comment-223355

    “Instead, you’re suggesting that if you can imagine something, it must be so”
    Therefore,remember it’s still 2008, Art of Deco Deal is selling us Barak as an…Outsider!
    What kind of macron one has to be to buy that?:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/msm-starts-to-notice-obamas-biography/#comment-223344

    For Real Presidential Candidate’s Friends Who Ain’t Snitches Will Avoid Stitches:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/msm-starts-to-notice-obamas-biography/#comment-223330

    I’m done.

  172. @James Kabala
    I think that many ISteve commenters just don't realize what a bad writer the average modern-day American is. The pedestrian prose of Michelle Obama's thesis may not be that great, but there is a lot worse out there. The occasional claims that it is semi-literate are highly exaggerated.

    She graduated thirty years ago, hardly “modern-day,” and whatever the shortcomings of your typical Princetonian, they didn’t write like that unless there was a substantial thumb on the scale, whether race, gender, or pedigree.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    She graduated thirty years ago, hardly “modern-day,”

    The deterioration in spoken English (with the insertion of lots of junk and filler) antedated her cohort. Compare the verbal tics of people born in the late 1930s with those born in the mid 1950s.
  173. We iSteveniks all agree that BHO was born in Kenya, do we not?

    • Replies: @dearieme
    Kenya? No; silly idea.

    Which leaves open the question of what he has been hiding about his early life.
  174. @anon
    No amount of whining from you louts will change that.

    "Lout"?!? Well, I never!

    ...

    No, really. I never have been called a "lout" before. I've actually never been witness to anyone else ever being called a "lout" either. And, for what it's worth, it's not really a word that applies to us, really. Do people often say "lout" in Nigeria? If so, that's kind of funny.

    Well, we were colonised by the British much sooner than you guys, goes without saying that we still retain some of the old forms. Scallywag, Nincompoop, Fagging still means a boy serving his senior. Then again things have massively deteriorated.

    As for its application here, on the best of days, you guys on the best of days are a hilarious bunch with astute views. Bring up Obama, immigration or the African population however and the comment section becomes, well loutish.

    Unless of course, you disagree that some of the comments aimed at BHO are uncouth, uncalled for and most annoyingly, full of whining.

    • Replies: @anon
    As for its application here, on the best of days, you guys on the best of days are a hilarious bunch with astute views. Bring up Obama, immigration or the African population however and the comment section becomes, well loutish.

    Well, to be a "lout" usually implies incipient violence, so no, I don't agree.

    As far as your accusations of whininess, I invite you to read the comments on any lefty blog on any article about Trump and compare and contrast it with here. To my knowledge, none of us have ever claimed to be "literally shaking" out of fear that Obama was going to send us to concentration camps.

    And if you have a better idea for what we should do to keep people like you out than "whining", I would love to hear it. Please no suggestions of necklacing, though. This is a family site. We did what we could to elect a guy who promised to do it, and he's not. Any further productive suggestions would be more than welcome.

  175. @Art Deco
    And it explains why he married a female gorilla

    He didn't marry Serena Williams. Give it a rest.

    Woah Monsieur Deco, I’mma stop you right there. Serena is way, and I mean way hotter than Mrs Obama.

    Now Serena has made many a man go Lawd!!! with all the fervour of an auntie enraptured by the word at Sunday service. Mrs Obama on the other hand, ehh I doubt it.

  176. @Opinionator
    Now if you guys were to, I dunno, apply a tenth of his dedication to your goals: limiting immigration e.t.c. You’d get it too.

    What can we do?

    All I can say is find your inspiration from the Lenin’s, Mao’s, Alinsky’s, Soros’, and BHO’s of the world. Whining while they accumulate power solves nothing though.

    I mean people, Nigeria managed to deport 3 million+ illegals. Nigeria!!

    • Replies: @anon
    I mean people, Nigeria managed to deport 3 million+ illegals. Nigeria!!

    Right, well, that's a little like pointing out that I managed to get people to stop stealing food from our dumpster. If I was in charge of keeping people from stealing from my stash of freshly grilled steaks, you would agree that that would be a bit more difficult, wouldn't you?

    I mean, you're here and not there for a reason, aren't you?

  177. @garyingramercy
    I think Steve's interest in the precise month/year BHO took the LSAT is related to the obvious change in his personality, his "blossoming," as it were. Steve has written on this subject before: since there's no evidence that Obama's grades at either Occidental or Columbia were anything to write home about, something other than sheer affirmative action must have gotten him into Harvard Law School. Someone else did cross-tabulations on admissions to Harvard Law School from Columbia in the relevant year, and found that two African-American applicants from Columbia to HLS scored in the top few percentile on the LSAT (maybe 95th+ percentile). Steve reasoned that BHO was likely one of those two.

    Steve further concluded that upon receiving his (presumably) very high LSAT score, BHO underwent a personality transformation of sorts, finally realizing that that a world-class political career was within his reach. And of course, once he got to Harvard Law School, everyone else treated him like the Black Messiah, and starting thinking of him as a potential president. How many people in their twenties have the cold self-knowledge to take excessive flattery as just that, as opposed to believing the hype? BHO believed the hype. Acing the LSAT made him think of himself as an ubermensch.

    Self-delusion? Maybe. But how many countries have you been president of?

    That period when he went from being kinda OK to pretty good is interesting. His LSAT scores were good, but probably wouldn’t have gotten him into HLS if he wasn’t black. He was in about the 94-98th percentile. http://www.unz.com/isteve/obamas-lsat-score/

    While at HLS he did well, but probably not that well, and I don’t think he ever wrote very competently. Jack Cashill has some perceptive critiques of Obama’s HLS article, for example. Still, he went from “probably B+/A-” grades at Occidental/Columbia to doing well enough at HLS, when he racked up solid academic results. He didn’t do spectacularly well before that, and he didn’t have a academic legal publishing record after that. He seems to be smart sometimes, but also of fairly low energy levels. I’m deeply suspicious of his well-reviewed first bio. I haven’t seen him writing like that again.

    I suspect he matured later, white-guy style. He may well have been smoking dope in high school and college, and that kept him mentally slow and lazy until he stopped. He got better and sharpened up, but his HLS period grades still do not seem to fit his profile. I wonder what happened to him there.

  178. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Nigerian Nationalist
    Well, we were colonised by the British much sooner than you guys, goes without saying that we still retain some of the old forms. Scallywag, Nincompoop, Fagging still means a boy serving his senior. Then again things have massively deteriorated.

    As for its application here, on the best of days, you guys on the best of days are a hilarious bunch with astute views. Bring up Obama, immigration or the African population however and the comment section becomes, well loutish.

    Unless of course, you disagree that some of the comments aimed at BHO are uncouth, uncalled for and most annoyingly, full of whining.

    As for its application here, on the best of days, you guys on the best of days are a hilarious bunch with astute views. Bring up Obama, immigration or the African population however and the comment section becomes, well loutish.

    Well, to be a “lout” usually implies incipient violence, so no, I don’t agree.

    As far as your accusations of whininess, I invite you to read the comments on any lefty blog on any article about Trump and compare and contrast it with here. To my knowledge, none of us have ever claimed to be “literally shaking” out of fear that Obama was going to send us to concentration camps.

    And if you have a better idea for what we should do to keep people like you out than “whining”, I would love to hear it. Please no suggestions of necklacing, though. This is a family site. We did what we could to elect a guy who promised to do it, and he’s not. Any further productive suggestions would be more than welcome.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    Please no suggestions of necklacing, though.
     
    Necklacing was/is a practice in the Eastern Cape region of South Africa. It's a 10 hour flight from Lagos, Nigeria to Cape Town, South Africa.
  179. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Nigerian Nationalist
    All I can say is find your inspiration from the Lenin's, Mao's, Alinsky's, Soros', and BHO's of the world. Whining while they accumulate power solves nothing though.

    I mean people, Nigeria managed to deport 3 million+ illegals. Nigeria!!

    I mean people, Nigeria managed to deport 3 million+ illegals. Nigeria!!

    Right, well, that’s a little like pointing out that I managed to get people to stop stealing food from our dumpster. If I was in charge of keeping people from stealing from my stash of freshly grilled steaks, you would agree that that would be a bit more difficult, wouldn’t you?

    I mean, you’re here and not there for a reason, aren’t you?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    He's there.
  180. @anon
    I mean people, Nigeria managed to deport 3 million+ illegals. Nigeria!!

    Right, well, that's a little like pointing out that I managed to get people to stop stealing food from our dumpster. If I was in charge of keeping people from stealing from my stash of freshly grilled steaks, you would agree that that would be a bit more difficult, wouldn't you?

    I mean, you're here and not there for a reason, aren't you?

    He’s there.

    • Replies: @anon
    Oh, he is? Well, never mind, then. More power to him!

    Kind of weird that he doesn't have anything better to do than read foreign blogs, but who am I to judge?
  181. @PiltdownMan
    He's there.

    Oh, he is? Well, never mind, then. More power to him!

    Kind of weird that he doesn’t have anything better to do than read foreign blogs, but who am I to judge?

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    You're opposed to knowledge?? You're probably one of those who thinks the internet exists for only "local" blogs and porn aren't ya.
  182. @anon
    As for its application here, on the best of days, you guys on the best of days are a hilarious bunch with astute views. Bring up Obama, immigration or the African population however and the comment section becomes, well loutish.

    Well, to be a "lout" usually implies incipient violence, so no, I don't agree.

    As far as your accusations of whininess, I invite you to read the comments on any lefty blog on any article about Trump and compare and contrast it with here. To my knowledge, none of us have ever claimed to be "literally shaking" out of fear that Obama was going to send us to concentration camps.

    And if you have a better idea for what we should do to keep people like you out than "whining", I would love to hear it. Please no suggestions of necklacing, though. This is a family site. We did what we could to elect a guy who promised to do it, and he's not. Any further productive suggestions would be more than welcome.

    Please no suggestions of necklacing, though.

    Necklacing was/is a practice in the Eastern Cape region of South Africa. It’s a 10 hour flight from Lagos, Nigeria to Cape Town, South Africa.

    • Replies: @anon
    Fascinating.

    But you got the joke, though, didn't you?
  183. @Steve Sailer
    The idea that your parents must come to see your every baseball game is fairly new. My parents refused to come to any of my games, even though we lived two blocks away. which was fine because I usually struck out.

    which was fine because I usually struck out

    LOL! (Because my LOL button never works)

    We must have had the same batting instructor in Little League.

  184. @Desiderius
    She graduated thirty years ago, hardly "modern-day," and whatever the shortcomings of your typical Princetonian, they didn't write like that unless there was a substantial thumb on the scale, whether race, gender, or pedigree.

    She graduated thirty years ago, hardly “modern-day,”

    The deterioration in spoken English (with the insertion of lots of junk and filler) antedated her cohort. Compare the verbal tics of people born in the late 1930s with those born in the mid 1950s.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Spoken dne written.
  185. @Forbes

    It wasn’t all that unusual 50 years ago for a couple with the requisite disposable income to travel separately and leave their children in the care of others for periods of time.
     
    An assertion that doesn't pass the smell test. Today? Maybe. 50 years ago? Bizarre.

    Speaking of lengthy separations…

    In March 1909, after the conclusion of his second term as president, Theodore Roosevelt headed off on an African safari from which he didn’t return until June 1910. His wife remained at home.

    In 1913, following his failed Bull Moose Party candidacy, TR led a two-year expedition to the Amazon basin, where he nearly died of tropical disease. His wife joined him for only the first few months of that trip.

    But hey, it’s TR. No homo.

  186. Steve, have you seen the Joel Gilbert documentaries on Obama’s heritage? If so, do you still believe he is half Kenyan?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Lessee:

    Thesis A: Ann Dunham, unattractive University of Hawaii student, lies down for Barack Obama, Sr. University of Hawaii student looking for a shag and not too picky. He gets her pregnant and then marries her for a portfolio of reasons (e.g. keeping the source of his tuition and stipends from cutting him off, keeping immigration authorities off his back, keeping Neil Abercrombie off his case, &c...)

    Thesis B: Five months after arriving in Hawaii, Ann Dunham meets a 55 year old married man who owns a paper distributorship and lives in a small village on the north coast of the island. She lies down and gets pregnant. Her acquaintance Barack Obama, Sr., a man who never demonstrated a trace of chivalry at any other time in his life, agrees to marry her and Neil Abercrombie and everyone else in their social circle goes along with the ruse. Meanwhile, this Mr. Davis makes himself a friend of the father of the girl he deflowered and they have a great time over the next 25 years playing checkers and taking bong hits.
  187. @Olorin

    I wonder how the former First Lady feels about being a tool of political advancement and how she reacted when she figured it out.
     
    Her reactions/face seem to settle easily into resentful/bitter expressions. But those might date to youth or genetics.

    Like Ms. Rodham or Bubba, Michelle Robinson was likely resigned to a particular marriage arrangement in exchange for being part of Barry's advancement.

    In Michelle Robinson's case obviously her ambition outstripped her capacities. There is nothing positive-exceptional about her that I've been able to find. Where would she have gone, given her lackluster school and career performance?

    To be wanted precisely for being a blackety black woman after finding her niche in Ed Biz race-based proto-SJW career-mongering? Where else could she get that...and with the entire press corps pandering and photoshopping her?

    People enter transactional marriages because they want something that alliance with another may provide. As you say, politicians do this often...even having offspring as game pieces.

    Some marriages are founded on people being each others' game pieces. The price tag of having no deep emotional connection to one's mate comes later. If it comes at all: like all other human capacities, the one for companionate, affectionate marriage is not equally distributed.

    And never forget where we were a mere 9-10 years ago:

    http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

    An empress paraded through town,
    Not a stitch on her frame, toe to crown.
    No child drew alarm;
    There was surely no harm,
    A la mode in her coat of dark brown.

  188. @Art Deco
    She graduated thirty years ago, hardly “modern-day,”

    The deterioration in spoken English (with the insertion of lots of junk and filler) antedated her cohort. Compare the verbal tics of people born in the late 1930s with those born in the mid 1950s.

    Spoken dne written.

  189. @Buddy Ray
    Steve, have you seen the Joel Gilbert documentaries on Obama's heritage? If so, do you still believe he is half Kenyan?

    Lessee:

    Thesis A: Ann Dunham, unattractive University of Hawaii student, lies down for Barack Obama, Sr. University of Hawaii student looking for a shag and not too picky. He gets her pregnant and then marries her for a portfolio of reasons (e.g. keeping the source of his tuition and stipends from cutting him off, keeping immigration authorities off his back, keeping Neil Abercrombie off his case, &c…)

    Thesis B: Five months after arriving in Hawaii, Ann Dunham meets a 55 year old married man who owns a paper distributorship and lives in a small village on the north coast of the island. She lies down and gets pregnant. Her acquaintance Barack Obama, Sr., a man who never demonstrated a trace of chivalry at any other time in his life, agrees to marry her and Neil Abercrombie and everyone else in their social circle goes along with the ruse. Meanwhile, this Mr. Davis makes himself a friend of the father of the girl he deflowered and they have a great time over the next 25 years playing checkers and taking bong hits.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Thesis C: some other unknown man of recent or remote African origin got Stanley pregnant ( her very name was a destiny in itself, being named after an explorer of Africa) then disappeared and Obama Sr. later agreeed to stage a mock-marriage with Barack's mommy.
  190. The NYT pooh-poohs rescuing truly persecuted Christians.

    Dog bites man.

  191. @anonymous

    Please no suggestions of necklacing, though.
     
    Necklacing was/is a practice in the Eastern Cape region of South Africa. It's a 10 hour flight from Lagos, Nigeria to Cape Town, South Africa.

    Fascinating.

    But you got the joke, though, didn’t you?

  192. Obama’s “torment over this central issue of his life . . . race and identity,” Sheila recalls. The “resolution of his black identity was directly linked to his decision to pursue a political career,”

    Obama’s racial identification is central to his manhood, which is ultimately more important to him than making him a more marketable Illinois political figure from Chicago. Marrying Michele was not only about boosting his credibility by adding an Ivy league educated girl with Southside Chicago, working class bona fides to his resume. Their relationship was central in his flight from White. She was a big part in relieving him of a chronic tragic mulatto syndrome.

  193. @RonaldB

    5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
     
    I don't know what your issue is, but unless you find somebody about 230 years old, the born on US soil of US-citizen parents is pretty widely accepted as a definition of "natural born". You might dispute the designation of having US-citizen parents, but born on US soil is generally accepted.

    “the born on US soil of US-citizen parents is pretty widely accepted as a definition of “natural born”. Generally accepted in the sense of “entirely made up”.

  194. @yaqub the mad scientist
    Explain.

    The authors of the Constitution wrote decent English. They were entirely capable of requiring unambiguously that the President be born within the country. They didn’t. Instead they used an expression familiar to everyone who knew English law, the law that they had all grown up with. And it carried no implication of being born in the country. None. It’s just ignorance or conceit to claim otherwise.

  195. @Art Deco
    She’s always seemed surly to me; is she?

    I didn't marry her.

    She has a snippy/moody exterior now and again, but not the reputation that Hilligula has for being a terror to work for.

    Few have the reputation of Hillary the Hun.

  196. @ic1000
    I appreciate the measured, sober content of your comments in this thread.

    Michelle Robinson's senior thesis was (is?) accessible as a PDF, directly from the Princeton library, IIRC. It was a readable but dull recounting of some conventional liberal tropes of the day. With enough of the small errors that say, "didn't bother proofreading," or "didn't know how." Not something that an Ivy League grad would typically look back on with any great pride.

    At least she wrote the dissertation herself. That’s more than JFK managed, apparently.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    "Thesis". "Dissertation" is used in this country only for monographs written and formally defended in the course of acquiring a research doctorate. You'd likely say 'senior thesis' or 'undergraduate thesis' as the generic is most commonly used for a paper submitted to obtain a master's degree.

    Kennedy supposedly had a jumble of material that Arthur Krock assembled into a thesis which was then re-edited and marketed as a trade book.
  197. @David Davenport
    We iSteveniks all agree that BHO was born in Kenya, do we not?

    Kenya? No; silly idea.

    Which leaves open the question of what he has been hiding about his early life.

  198. @Art Deco
    her thesis at best was something you would read in a community college or HS class.

    You've read it?

    She was admitted to the Illinois bar, which I think is fairly unusual for community college students.

    Hey! I did it and then picked up Minnesota and Florida as well. Still…read that thesis if you can stomach the cringe worthy. The real professional registration issue is why she withdrew from the Illinois list of registered attorneys while Barry simply requested suspension of registration. She would need to reapply and be tested just like a new law school grad if she wants to be licensed again. Barry just needs to request reactivation. Given the choice why withdraw? Well, when the attorney for the Registration and Disciplinary Commision lays out the case they have against you in the private meeting you quit to avoid a disciplinary hearing. They had her.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I tend to doubt there's a plea bargaining process with the grievance commission of the Illinois bar. In any case, her license lapsed two years after she'd quit practicing law.
  199. @Art Deco
    Lessee:

    Thesis A: Ann Dunham, unattractive University of Hawaii student, lies down for Barack Obama, Sr. University of Hawaii student looking for a shag and not too picky. He gets her pregnant and then marries her for a portfolio of reasons (e.g. keeping the source of his tuition and stipends from cutting him off, keeping immigration authorities off his back, keeping Neil Abercrombie off his case, &c...)

    Thesis B: Five months after arriving in Hawaii, Ann Dunham meets a 55 year old married man who owns a paper distributorship and lives in a small village on the north coast of the island. She lies down and gets pregnant. Her acquaintance Barack Obama, Sr., a man who never demonstrated a trace of chivalry at any other time in his life, agrees to marry her and Neil Abercrombie and everyone else in their social circle goes along with the ruse. Meanwhile, this Mr. Davis makes himself a friend of the father of the girl he deflowered and they have a great time over the next 25 years playing checkers and taking bong hits.

    Thesis C: some other unknown man of recent or remote African origin got Stanley pregnant ( her very name was a destiny in itself, being named after an explorer of Africa) then disappeared and Obama Sr. later agreeed to stage a mock-marriage with Barack’s mommy.

  200. @Jake
    Obama is very much like Abraham Lincoln. Each is a product of mythologizing, both self-mythologizing and mythologizing by political powers. Each married for political reasons. Each pretended Christian identity for political purposes. Each was a power-worshipping amoral authoritarian waiting for an opening.

    Um, among other things, Abraham Lincoln was a really, really good attorney.

  201. @RonaldB

    5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
     
    I don't know what your issue is, but unless you find somebody about 230 years old, the born on US soil of US-citizen parents is pretty widely accepted as a definition of "natural born". You might dispute the designation of having US-citizen parents, but born on US soil is generally accepted.

    born on US soil of US-citizen parents is pretty widely accepted as a definition of “natural born”.

    See Michael Rappaport. British statutory law from about 1730 recognized those born abroad of British parentage as British from birth. The U.S. Congress made this explicit in statutory law as early as 1790. One of the things about which the 14th Amendment is clear is that those born in the United States ‘and subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ are citizens from birth. Marco Rubio qualifies and Ted Cruz qualifies.

  202. @dearieme
    At least she wrote the dissertation herself. That's more than JFK managed, apparently.

    “Thesis”. “Dissertation” is used in this country only for monographs written and formally defended in the course of acquiring a research doctorate. You’d likely say ‘senior thesis’ or ‘undergraduate thesis’ as the generic is most commonly used for a paper submitted to obtain a master’s degree.

    Kennedy supposedly had a jumble of material that Arthur Krock assembled into a thesis which was then re-edited and marketed as a trade book.

  203. @Luxeternae
    Hey! I did it and then picked up Minnesota and Florida as well. Still...read that thesis if you can stomach the cringe worthy. The real professional registration issue is why she withdrew from the Illinois list of registered attorneys while Barry simply requested suspension of registration. She would need to reapply and be tested just like a new law school grad if she wants to be licensed again. Barry just needs to request reactivation. Given the choice why withdraw? Well, when the attorney for the Registration and Disciplinary Commision lays out the case they have against you in the private meeting you quit to avoid a disciplinary hearing. They had her.

    I tend to doubt there’s a plea bargaining process with the grievance commission of the Illinois bar. In any case, her license lapsed two years after she’d quit practicing law.

  204. @Art Deco
    There is no 'issue of his place of birth'. He was born in Honolulu. There's a crew of hobbyists who amuse themselves pretending he was not. Garrow's not among them, nor is anyone of sense.

    I am surprised that you find no problem with Obama’s birth certificate. When it was placed on the dot-gov website after Trump and others had questioned the certificate of live birth, a number of experts posted damning evidence showing that it had been photo-shopped to a great degree. The most convincing to me was the analysis posted by Karl Denninger. Unfortunately, subsequently Denninger removed that post – and a great many others – from his blog, so I can’t point you to that document here.

    Also of interest were the questions as to whether a group of Republican presidential hopefuls in 2016 actually fulfilled that Constitutional qualification. Most famous, of course, was Ted Cruz, born in Canada (my two sons, born in the Middle East, knew from a very early age that though they were American citizens and could hold any government job, they were not eligible to run for president) but serious questions were also raised concerning the eligibility of Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal. It seemed to me at the time as if no one in this country was taking the Constitution seriously since Obama had clearly gotten away with his phony documentation. Talk about a slippery slope.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I am surprised that you find no problem with Obama’s birth certificate. When it was placed on the dot-gov website after Trump and others had questioned the certificate of live birth, a number of experts posted damning evidence showing that it had been photo-shopped to a great degree. The most convincing to me was the analysis posted by Karl Denninger. Unfortunately, subsequently Denninger removed that post – and a great many others – from his blog, so I can’t point you to that document here.

    His long-form certificate was released several years ago. What happened next was predicted earlier by Ann Coulter: the people pushing this meme manufactured a new set of objections (this time claiming the long form was contrived from digital images of some other person born in Honolulu around the same time).

    The original hard copy of his long-form certificate was examined some years ago in the archives by Gov. Lingle's health commissioner and the state registrar of vital statistics, so I guess they're in on the conspiracy as well, inventing a cock-and-bull story. Or maybe some moles in the state archive created a fake certificate and inserted it in the looseleaf notebook in question where the health commissioner and the registrar would find it.

    Two students at the University of Hawaii conceive a child. The child is born in Honolulu, where they both live and where the woman's parents live. Pretty straightforward and unremarkable, and it bores some people. So let's have fun with it and pretend that two impecunious college students traveled halfway around the world (while one of them was 8 months pregnant) so that one of them could introduce his latest shag to his legal wife and also to his father (who'd told him by mail not to marry the shag) and also avail themselves of the splendours of Kenyan obstetrics. Just to be cute, the records office at Kapiolani hospital (or perhaps the maternal-side grandfather) puts an ad in the Honolulu paper telling the world that the child had been born there. Or maybe the girl travels to Seattle and the baby is born on a day trip to Vancouver. Etc. Etc. This whole strand of thought has the quality of Ptolomaic cosmology at this point.


    Also of interest were the questions as to whether a group of Republican presidential hopefuls in 2016 actually fulfilled that Constitutional qualification. Most famous, of course, was Ted Cruz, born in Canada (my two sons, born in the Middle East, knew from a very early age that though they were American citizens and could hold any government job, they were not eligible to run for president) but serious questions were also raised concerning the eligibility of Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal.

    Your sons did not know that, because it wasn't true. Different subtypes of birther hobbyists complain about McCain, Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, and Santorum. They have a passable argument re Jindal, because his parents were on student visas. With regard to Cruz, Prof. Rappaport put it thus: the crux of an erudite argument is that 15th century case law is controlling and 18th century statutory law is not, and that's a contention that's just puzzling. The complaints about Rubio, McCain, and Santorum do not even rise to that level of seriousness.
  205. @Art Deco
    You smoke cigarettes all your life, your probability of being cut down by lung cancer increases 30-fold over what it would be had you never smoked. It declines if you quit, but at a leisurely pace. Emphysema is another risk. If the risk is worth it to you it's worth it to you, but no one's conning you. (Among my first and 2d degree relations, I've had 4 with emphysema and 1 with lung cancer - all l/t smokers; 1 l/t smoker avoided both).

    My mother died a few weeks short of her 87th birthday. On her death certificate the cause of death is listed as smoking-related COPD simply because physicians cannot list “old age” as a cause of death and since she had smoked like a chimney since she was 16 years of age, and was taking medication for COPD for some years prior to her death, that is what her physician listed.

    The week before her death, when her doctor examined her he said to me that her lungs were “clean as a whistle.” Having watched my mother’s entire body deteriorate in the last few weeks of her life, I take the cause of death for people who die over the age of 80 with a grain of salt.

  206. @Art Deco
    Or will he go full Liberace, in denial to the end?

    Obama's been married for 25 years, fathered two children, has no distinguishing features and no notable hobbies and interests which are associated with homosexuality. Neither has he had any homosexual flings identified by any reputable source. Liberace was confirmed bachelor and a enough of a flamer that it was a matter of public comment 60 years ago, when homosexuality was something in the peripheral vision, not something to which people gave much thought or attention. Nor is there any indication 'Liberace' was 'in denial', as opposed to thinking public homosexuality gauche and bad for business.

    Just google “Reggie Love and Obama lovers.”

  207. @Art Deco
    I have to wonder as well how this is going to affect what looks to me to be the rather shaky marriage between Michelle and Barack. (What was Barack doing those several weeks alone in the South Pacific? In how many healthy marriages would that happen?)

    They've been married for 25 years and no domestic scandals adhere to either one of them. It wasn't all that unusual 50 years ago for a couple with the requisite disposable income to travel separately and leave their children in the care of others for periods of time.

    I have been married more than 50 years. I have never heard of any of my contemporaries ever having vacationed separately. Indeed, in my sons’ generation doing so would also be considered weird.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Socializing in my parents' circle of friends was quite structured. It could be family or adults-only. It could be stag, all girls, or mixed (with a precise balance between men and women a requirement, so any umarried person in your circle was expected to bring someone). Husbands and fathers had broad (if not plenary) discretion over their free time. Children were left with relatives or hired help. You had family travel, couples travel, wife travel, and husband travel. A full dress two-week vacation without your spouse would have been unusual, but off here or off there for a few days with buddies or galpals or your mother or a couple of your kids was quite unremarkable. Notably less child-centered world than is ours today. It also would have been odd for someone to refer to a spouse as a 'best friend', as these were distinct social roles.

    Do I take it you didn't grow up in the northeast?
  208. @okie
    The risk with cigarettes is only 1 in 3 in have any health effects, but the health effects are pretty damn serious. Feel lucky that your pop was in the lucky 66%. My pop had a heart attack @ 55 and was a 2 pack a day unfiltered pall mall smoker, that happens to a lot of smokers in much higher ratios than the nons, disregarding the cancer and respiratory issues. I don't smoke and find the current demonizing of the habit distasteful, but i am aware of the odds and can't see the narcotic of it being worth a 1/3 chance of a reduced life.

    I don’t smoke and never have, but there is no question that nicotine is a drug that has an amazing effect on most people. It quiets the nerves while improving concentration, quite a combination.

    If I ever am diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease the first thing I would do is buy a nicotine patch.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Me, I'd start smoking real tobacco!
  209. @anon
    Oh, he is? Well, never mind, then. More power to him!

    Kind of weird that he doesn't have anything better to do than read foreign blogs, but who am I to judge?

    You’re opposed to knowledge?? You’re probably one of those who thinks the internet exists for only “local” blogs and porn aren’t ya.

    • Replies: @anon
    I guess you have a point. If you restricted yourself to Nigerian blogs, you wouldn't be able to learn much. That's why you need us.

    And I didn't say I opposed it. I just think it's weird, is all. You don't think it's a little weird?
  210. @Old fogey
    I have been married more than 50 years. I have never heard of any of my contemporaries ever having vacationed separately. Indeed, in my sons' generation doing so would also be considered weird.

    Socializing in my parents’ circle of friends was quite structured. It could be family or adults-only. It could be stag, all girls, or mixed (with a precise balance between men and women a requirement, so any umarried person in your circle was expected to bring someone). Husbands and fathers had broad (if not plenary) discretion over their free time. Children were left with relatives or hired help. You had family travel, couples travel, wife travel, and husband travel. A full dress two-week vacation without your spouse would have been unusual, but off here or off there for a few days with buddies or galpals or your mother or a couple of your kids was quite unremarkable. Notably less child-centered world than is ours today. It also would have been odd for someone to refer to a spouse as a ‘best friend’, as these were distinct social roles.

    Do I take it you didn’t grow up in the northeast?

  211. @Old fogey
    I am surprised that you find no problem with Obama's birth certificate. When it was placed on the dot-gov website after Trump and others had questioned the certificate of live birth, a number of experts posted damning evidence showing that it had been photo-shopped to a great degree. The most convincing to me was the analysis posted by Karl Denninger. Unfortunately, subsequently Denninger removed that post - and a great many others - from his blog, so I can't point you to that document here.

    Also of interest were the questions as to whether a group of Republican presidential hopefuls in 2016 actually fulfilled that Constitutional qualification. Most famous, of course, was Ted Cruz, born in Canada (my two sons, born in the Middle East, knew from a very early age that though they were American citizens and could hold any government job, they were not eligible to run for president) but serious questions were also raised concerning the eligibility of Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal. It seemed to me at the time as if no one in this country was taking the Constitution seriously since Obama had clearly gotten away with his phony documentation. Talk about a slippery slope.

    I am surprised that you find no problem with Obama’s birth certificate. When it was placed on the dot-gov website after Trump and others had questioned the certificate of live birth, a number of experts posted damning evidence showing that it had been photo-shopped to a great degree. The most convincing to me was the analysis posted by Karl Denninger. Unfortunately, subsequently Denninger removed that post – and a great many others – from his blog, so I can’t point you to that document here.

    His long-form certificate was released several years ago. What happened next was predicted earlier by Ann Coulter: the people pushing this meme manufactured a new set of objections (this time claiming the long form was contrived from digital images of some other person born in Honolulu around the same time).

    The original hard copy of his long-form certificate was examined some years ago in the archives by Gov. Lingle’s health commissioner and the state registrar of vital statistics, so I guess they’re in on the conspiracy as well, inventing a cock-and-bull story. Or maybe some moles in the state archive created a fake certificate and inserted it in the looseleaf notebook in question where the health commissioner and the registrar would find it.

    Two students at the University of Hawaii conceive a child. The child is born in Honolulu, where they both live and where the woman’s parents live. Pretty straightforward and unremarkable, and it bores some people. So let’s have fun with it and pretend that two impecunious college students traveled halfway around the world (while one of them was 8 months pregnant) so that one of them could introduce his latest shag to his legal wife and also to his father (who’d told him by mail not to marry the shag) and also avail themselves of the splendours of Kenyan obstetrics. Just to be cute, the records office at Kapiolani hospital (or perhaps the maternal-side grandfather) puts an ad in the Honolulu paper telling the world that the child had been born there. Or maybe the girl travels to Seattle and the baby is born on a day trip to Vancouver. Etc. Etc. This whole strand of thought has the quality of Ptolomaic cosmology at this point.

    Also of interest were the questions as to whether a group of Republican presidential hopefuls in 2016 actually fulfilled that Constitutional qualification. Most famous, of course, was Ted Cruz, born in Canada (my two sons, born in the Middle East, knew from a very early age that though they were American citizens and could hold any government job, they were not eligible to run for president) but serious questions were also raised concerning the eligibility of Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal.

    Your sons did not know that, because it wasn’t true. Different subtypes of birther hobbyists complain about McCain, Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, and Santorum. They have a passable argument re Jindal, because his parents were on student visas. With regard to Cruz, Prof. Rappaport put it thus: the crux of an erudite argument is that 15th century case law is controlling and 18th century statutory law is not, and that’s a contention that’s just puzzling. The complaints about Rubio, McCain, and Santorum do not even rise to that level of seriousness.

  212. @Nigerian Nationalist
    You're opposed to knowledge?? You're probably one of those who thinks the internet exists for only "local" blogs and porn aren't ya.

    I guess you have a point. If you restricted yourself to Nigerian blogs, you wouldn’t be able to learn much. That’s why you need us.

    And I didn’t say I opposed it. I just think it’s weird, is all. You don’t think it’s a little weird?

  213. @peterike
    Well, I guess it's nice that the least vetted Presidential candidate in the modern era is finally getting a bit of attention. I wonder if there are any other interesting snippets in the book that might have been missed (i.e. deliberately ignored) by the reviewers?

    The fact that the press never uncovered any of this either during the initial campaign or during eight years of his Presidency only provides further proof -- as if we needed any -- that they are duplicitous liars and slavish suck-ups when their guy is in power.

    The fact that Team Hillary never uncovered any of this is further proof she’s the most incompetent national level would be politician in recent memory.

  214. @Old fogey
    I don't smoke and never have, but there is no question that nicotine is a drug that has an amazing effect on most people. It quiets the nerves while improving concentration, quite a combination.

    If I ever am diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease the first thing I would do is buy a nicotine patch.

    Me, I’d start smoking real tobacco!

  215. Unfortunately, I can’t stand the stuff, so the patch would be the way to go!

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