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IDs of the San Berdoo Two shooters revealed by “The New Yorker:” Nicole Kidman and Marco Rubio

From NewYorker.com:

“What would it look like if I took America’s obsession with firearms to its logical extreme?” says the artist Eric Drooker about his New Yorker cover for the issue dated December 14, 2015. The proliferation of guns and the too-easy access to military-grade weapons is not the only story in San Bernardino, but it’s an appalling part of it. As John Cassidy points out in a recent essay, there are an estimated three hundred million guns in private hands in the U.S., and gun sales soared on Black Friday. And somehow, despite the growing demand for restrictions and background checks, the sales go on and, with them, the daily shootings. If only Eric Drooker’s image were a fiction.

 
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  1. So, they’re stocking up on the eve of Inauguration Day 2017 in anticipation of the incumbent President trying to go Oogo Chavez on us … ?

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  2. They don’t look very middle eastern.

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  3. Hepp says:

    LOL!

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  4. Jefferson says:

    The Left Wing magazine is trying to say that couple was shopping for guns to commit a terrorist mass shooting attack correct? I didn’t know the Pakistani Tashfeen Malik looked like a blonde Northern European WASP woman. Also why is she not wearing a hijab? There is no way her extremely religious Muslim husband Syed Farooq would have let her dress like an Infidel Western woman in public for everyone to see. She should have been stoned to death for trying copy how Western women dress.

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  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Any thoughts on James Deen, Steve?

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    No.
    , @Reg Cæsar




    Any thoughts on James Deen, Steve?

     

    No.
     
    The scandal, not him personally.

     

    No.
     
    He gives a fresh take on the lyric to David Essex's "Rock On":

    Still looking for that blue jean, baby queen
    Prettiest girl I ever seen
    See her shake on the movie screen,
    Jimmy Deen...
    James Deen


    This fan, who kinda looks like Rowlf, confused Deen with Jimmy:

    www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2015/10/woman-caught-masturbating-with-sausage-in-wal-mart-bathroom/
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  6. Joel says:

    In a bizarre inversion of the Jew caricatures of previous decades, we now get blood libel aimed at white protestants. What foul people must create this sort of thing.

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    Dude on the right looks vaguely ethnic. I doubt that was their intention.
    , @John Gruskos
    "What foul people must create this sort of thing."

    Samuel Irving Newhouse Jr. is the owner of The New Yorker.
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  7. Elites says:

    Cool!!! We’re the enemy!

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    • Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca
    We've been micro-aggressed!
    , @gruff
    quoth Pogo
    , @bomag
    Not only are we NOW the enemy, it has been discovered that we always were the enemy, and we always will be the enemy, and we will have to be reminded of this for the rest of time.

    "The price of modern liberty is eternal hating of the proper group."
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  8. countenance says: • Website

    Concomitant to that, the NYT had a front page editorial today, the first time it has done that in 95 years. And, back in 1920, the NYT was not a crucial domestic and international media choke point. Add to it that the cross town NYDN has essentially issued a fatwa against Wayne LaPierre.

    The media/Democrats/left must really not want us to notice who did Paris and San Berdoo. If only I was more cynical, I would conclude that the doers happen to be faithful Democrat voting constituencies.

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    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Here's a link to the editorial in question:

    Comments:

    *The editorial is way over-written with "righteous fury", "slaughter of innocents", the ability to purchase weapons with "brutal speed" (brutal speed?)

    *You will break your CTRL+F buttons looking for "Islam", "Muslim", "ISIS", etc.

    *Editorial calls for banning AR-15's, like that makes a difference. In that sense, no one should have allowed that rifle to be called an "assault weapon"; it's just a rifle that uses a relatively small round that tumbles. It is not a magic weapon. And, frankly, it's not in the interests of our national defense to prevent Americans from having one. One can talk about magazine sizes, types of bullets, or full automatic -- all three I am sure under some restrictions, but the melodrama about this particular type of rifle is absurd. The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.

    *As for the New Yorker cover, I note that it is a white couple purchasing the weapons at the grocery store, including grenades, which should not be purchasable in any case. But, yeah, a loving married Muslim couple made a whole lot of pipe bombs. What do we do now? Ban pipe?

    , @iSteveFan
    You should read the latest Buchanan column. He likens the press to that of the clergy in pre-revolutionary France.

    Today the press decides what words are permissible and what thoughts are acceptable. The press conducts the inquisitions where heretics are blacklisted and excommunicated from the company of decent men, while others are forgiven if they recant their heresies.
     
    , @Olorin
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/12/daniel-zimmerman/new-york-times-declares-war-on-americas-gun-owners/
    , @International Jew

    the NYT had a front page editorial today, the first time it has done that in 95 years.
     
    Wrong. The Times runs a front page editorial — and sometimes more — every day.
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  9. keypusher says:

    What’s the opposite of a dog whistle? A foghorn?

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  10. Devinicus says:

    Hey, look, they put Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik on the cover of the New Yorker! Spitting images of them.

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  11. What fabulous cover art! A PR coup! Now I’m completely convinced that Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik DIDN’T DO NUFFIN. Obviously a blonde woman and her side-part-haired male sidekick pulled off the San Bernadino massacre. I don’t need to read a single word, and I won’t believe any evidence presented to me now or in the future that contradicts this Platonically truthful magazine cover.

    What visual poetry! Thank you for bringing this cover art to my attention, Steve. It has really opened my eyes.

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  12. AnAnon says:

    Why is Marco Rubio buying so many assault rifles?

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  13. […] UPDATE:  The NYer Mag, too. […]

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  14. Svigor says:

    “What would it look like if I took America’s obsession with firearms to its logical extreme?”

    Like if, say, all those Christmas-party-goers in San Bernardino had been packing heat, and filled the Maliks’ noggins with a diverse array of 9mm, 10mm, .38, .45, .357, etc? That kind of logical extreme?

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    and filled the Maliks’ noggins with a diverse array of 9mm, 10mm, .38, .45, .357, etc? That kind of logical extreme?
     
    That is not a logical extreme. It is a minimal threshold of common sense. But, as a wag has already mentioned, "common sense is not that common."
    , @Pontius
    That's the kind of diversity I could get behind.
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  15. The libs/muslims think they’ve hit pay dirt with the “You don’t blame Christians for the Planned Parenthood killings” answer to absolve Islam from terrorism.
    The major difference being Christian dogma, the Bible, doesn’t call for all Christians to KILL all non Christians.

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  16. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    I think I will join the NRA … better than spending money on the New Yorker or the NYT!

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  17. TangoMan says:

    Let’s contextualize that cover by looking back on Steve’s 2004 essay on the Baby Gap:

    The endless gun-control brouhaha, which on the surface appears to be a bitter battle between liberal and conservative whites, also features a cryptic racial angle. What blue-region white liberals actually want is for the government to disarm the dangerous urban minorities that threaten their children’s safety. Red-region white conservatives, insulated by distance from the Crips and the Bloods, don’t care that white liberals’ kids are in peril. Besides, in sparsely populated Republican areas, where police response times are slow and the chances of drilling an innocent bystander are slim, guns make more sense for self-defense than in the cities and suburbs.

    White liberals, angered by white conservatives’ lack of racial solidarity with them, yet bereft of any vocabulary for expressing such a verboten concept, pretend that they need gun control to protect them from gun-crazy rural rednecks, such as the ones Michael Moore demonized in “Bowling for Columbine,” thus further enraging red-region Republicans.

    Mr. & Mrs. Middle Class grocery shoppers picking up some extra firepower from the Gun Aisle at the local supermarket are not really a problem in America but as Steve points out, liberals don’t have the vocabulary to express what is really concerning them.

    Look at these homicide by firearm stats from the Centers for Disease Control restricted to men between the ages of 15 and 39.

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    I think Steve is wrong about the motivations of the anti-gun people. Gun ownership is very important to American-Americans, aka real Americans. It's a part of their folk tradition, like bull fighting for Spaniards or beer drinking for Germans. It's something that sets their culture apart from all other European-derived cultures, so they tend to be proud of it. They like thinking of themselves as descendents of fronteersmen, which to a large extent they are.

    I think that at the emotional level the attack on gun ownership is an attack against these people's ethnic pride. And there's not much more than emotion in this.

    As urban crime fell and cities gentrified over the last 25 years, the anti-gun fervor did not decrease.
    , @Chris Mallory
    I would guess that the numbers are even worse than that chart makes out. How many of those "whites" are actually Aztecs from Mexico or MS-13 members from El Salvador? The chart uses the term "Non Hispanic Males", did they really leave out a group as large or maybe even larger than the black males?
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  18. H2 says:

    The New Yorker is $8 an issue? What a rip-off!

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  19. SPMoore8 says:
    @countenance
    Concomitant to that, the NYT had a front page editorial today, the first time it has done that in 95 years. And, back in 1920, the NYT was not a crucial domestic and international media choke point. Add to it that the cross town NYDN has essentially issued a fatwa against Wayne LaPierre.

    The media/Democrats/left must really not want us to notice who did Paris and San Berdoo. If only I was more cynical, I would conclude that the doers happen to be faithful Democrat voting constituencies.

    https://countenance.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/nyt-12-5-15.jpg

    Here’s a link to the editorial in question:

    Comments:

    *The editorial is way over-written with “righteous fury”, “slaughter of innocents”, the ability to purchase weapons with “brutal speed” (brutal speed?)

    *You will break your CTRL+F buttons looking for “Islam”, “Muslim”, “ISIS”, etc.

    *Editorial calls for banning AR-15′s, like that makes a difference. In that sense, no one should have allowed that rifle to be called an “assault weapon”; it’s just a rifle that uses a relatively small round that tumbles. It is not a magic weapon. And, frankly, it’s not in the interests of our national defense to prevent Americans from having one. One can talk about magazine sizes, types of bullets, or full automatic — all three I am sure under some restrictions, but the melodrama about this particular type of rifle is absurd. The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.

    *As for the New Yorker cover, I note that it is a white couple purchasing the weapons at the grocery store, including grenades, which should not be purchasable in any case. But, yeah, a loving married Muslim couple made a whole lot of pipe bombs. What do we do now? Ban pipe?

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    I am sure under some restrictions, but the melodrama about this particular type of rifle is absurd. The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.
     
    In the early 90s, I think, I saw a guy on TV trying to debate some people calling for a ban on assault weapons. For a demonstration he picked up a 22 caliber rifle with a traditional wooden stock. He then asked if this was OK. The crowd responded "Yes". He then spent 30 seconds unscrewing the stock from the receiver and then swapped out the wooden stock for a military-looking black one with a pistol grip. He then asked the same question, but the audience was confused. He explained it was the same weapon just with a different stock. It was a pretty good display.
    , @G Pinfold

    Muslim couple made a whole lot of pipe bombs. What do we do now? Ban pipe?
     
    No Grasshopper. But the answer is contained within your question.
    , @anon
    The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.

    Why does everyone always forget that the guy who still has the record for most people killed in a shooting, Sueng-Hui Cho, managed to rack them all up with two little pistols?

    I know, I know. To ask that question is to answer it. But even people who are aguing against the Narrative still always forget to point it out when they should.

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  20. The chap behind her looks a touch swarthy, she’s right to be grabbing a gun.

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  21. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I suppose there is nothing in the story about an immigration moratorium?

    We really should have a picture of a gate at Ellis Island with DHS waving through terrorist types armed to the teeth.

    It’s generally not considered best practice to pile weapons in a heap in a cart like that. I suppose these literati-types at The New Yorker and their readers don’t know much about such things.

    Perhaps it’s best not to trouble their minds, as they seem to be rather limited and require framing the world in old narratives.

    I don’t know about you, but I just can’t stand these evil white couples that keep shooting up the place. Let’s not even stop to think of the dead.

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  22. Liberals love to mock us folks who own guns and have trained in how to use them.

    Probably not too good an idea to push it beyond mockery, but the liberals just can’t seem to help themselves.

    BTW, why should I have to engage in a discussion about gun control when liberals don’t want to engage in a discussion about Muslim control?

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  23. iSteveFan says:
    @countenance
    Concomitant to that, the NYT had a front page editorial today, the first time it has done that in 95 years. And, back in 1920, the NYT was not a crucial domestic and international media choke point. Add to it that the cross town NYDN has essentially issued a fatwa against Wayne LaPierre.

    The media/Democrats/left must really not want us to notice who did Paris and San Berdoo. If only I was more cynical, I would conclude that the doers happen to be faithful Democrat voting constituencies.

    https://countenance.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/nyt-12-5-15.jpg

    You should read the latest Buchanan column. He likens the press to that of the clergy in pre-revolutionary France.

    Today the press decides what words are permissible and what thoughts are acceptable. The press conducts the inquisitions where heretics are blacklisted and excommunicated from the company of decent men, while others are forgiven if they recant their heresies.

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    Buchanan obviously hasn't read "SJWs Always Lie" because then he'd know better than to imply that an apology brings anything more than additional brimstone upon one's head.
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  24. They forgot the Weiße armbands.

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  25. iSteveFan says:
    @SPMoore8
    Here's a link to the editorial in question:

    Comments:

    *The editorial is way over-written with "righteous fury", "slaughter of innocents", the ability to purchase weapons with "brutal speed" (brutal speed?)

    *You will break your CTRL+F buttons looking for "Islam", "Muslim", "ISIS", etc.

    *Editorial calls for banning AR-15's, like that makes a difference. In that sense, no one should have allowed that rifle to be called an "assault weapon"; it's just a rifle that uses a relatively small round that tumbles. It is not a magic weapon. And, frankly, it's not in the interests of our national defense to prevent Americans from having one. One can talk about magazine sizes, types of bullets, or full automatic -- all three I am sure under some restrictions, but the melodrama about this particular type of rifle is absurd. The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.

    *As for the New Yorker cover, I note that it is a white couple purchasing the weapons at the grocery store, including grenades, which should not be purchasable in any case. But, yeah, a loving married Muslim couple made a whole lot of pipe bombs. What do we do now? Ban pipe?

    I am sure under some restrictions, but the melodrama about this particular type of rifle is absurd. The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.

    In the early 90s, I think, I saw a guy on TV trying to debate some people calling for a ban on assault weapons. For a demonstration he picked up a 22 caliber rifle with a traditional wooden stock. He then asked if this was OK. The crowd responded “Yes”. He then spent 30 seconds unscrewing the stock from the receiver and then swapped out the wooden stock for a military-looking black one with a pistol grip. He then asked the same question, but the audience was confused. He explained it was the same weapon just with a different stock. It was a pretty good display.

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  26. SPMoore8 says:

    I forgot this kicker to the editorial:

    Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.

    I said earlier that it is in our national defense interests that ordinary American citizens have some familiarity with the type of weapon our armed services use. Therefore I argue that some kind of arm similar to standard issue (i.e., M-16, M-4) should be widely available for future national defense, and the AR-15 fits that bill. It could be reasonably restricted with smaller capacity magazines or even with modified rounds, I suppose. But not the weapon itself.

    But the editorial expects that Americans who have such weapons will just turn them in if such a law is passed. In the first place, that will not happen. In the second place, who will enforce that law, and with what will they be armed?

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    "and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens."

    The begged question there is, for the good of WHICH fellow citizens?

    Having noted that, I think we know what the end game is here--who will enforce the law and with what they will be armed, in whose service.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    I believe that two of the shooters at the concert in Paris used shotguns. You can do a lot of damage with a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with Double O buck shot.
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  27. @Anonymous
    Any thoughts on James Deen, Steve?

    No.

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    The scandal, not him personally.
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  28. TangoMan says:

    While we’re on the topic of NY media, what’s going on with the Daily News. Here’s the latest opinion piece ripping into one of the victims, equating him to the terrorist couple, because he wanted to see Ann Coulter named as head of Homeland Security.

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    While we’re on the topic of NY media, what’s going on with the Daily News.
     
    Sturm und Drang
    , @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
    , @Jefferson
    "While we’re on the topic of NY media, what’s going on with the Daily News. Here’s the latest opinion piece ripping into one of the victims, equating him to the terrorist couple, because he wanted to see Ann Coulter named as head of Homeland Security."

    The New York Daily News also said The NRA is a more dangerous terrorist organization than ISIS. How many mass shooting terrorist attacks has the executive vice president of the NRA Wayne LaPierre committed? If he is such a terrorist mastermind, why hasn't the Obama administration locked him up yet? Shouldn't Wayne LaPierre be awaiting the death penalty or at least be serving life in prison?
    , @Olorin
    As I was going through the list of those murdered, I noted him in particular and wondered how he was going to get spun, since he seemed to be the only self-proclaimed conservative on this Diversitopia Dream Team.

    Didn't have to wait long. Also figured there'd be talk about how the Jewish and Muslim guy argued about stuff.

    From what I'm seeing, the libs and progs around here aren't connecting the dots on the fact that all that Diversity was targeted and destroyed. Gay guy, Asian woman, white men, Assyrian woman, blacks, hispanics, a jew, a good old boy ex truck driver, vets...all obliterated. Religion of peace indeed.

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  29. Glossy says: • Website
    @TangoMan
    Let's contextualize that cover by looking back on Steve's 2004 essay on the Baby Gap:

    The endless gun-control brouhaha, which on the surface appears to be a bitter battle between liberal and conservative whites, also features a cryptic racial angle. What blue-region white liberals actually want is for the government to disarm the dangerous urban minorities that threaten their children’s safety. Red-region white conservatives, insulated by distance from the Crips and the Bloods, don’t care that white liberals’ kids are in peril. Besides, in sparsely populated Republican areas, where police response times are slow and the chances of drilling an innocent bystander are slim, guns make more sense for self-defense than in the cities and suburbs.

    White liberals, angered by white conservatives’ lack of racial solidarity with them, yet bereft of any vocabulary for expressing such a verboten concept, pretend that they need gun control to protect them from gun-crazy rural rednecks, such as the ones Michael Moore demonized in “Bowling for Columbine,” thus further enraging red-region Republicans.
     
    Mr. & Mrs. Middle Class grocery shoppers picking up some extra firepower from the Gun Aisle at the local supermarket are not really a problem in America but as Steve points out, liberals don't have the vocabulary to express what is really concerning them.

    Look at these homicide by firearm stats from the Centers for Disease Control restricted to men between the ages of 15 and 39.

    http://i.imgur.com/IpMHDev.jpg

    I think Steve is wrong about the motivations of the anti-gun people. Gun ownership is very important to American-Americans, aka real Americans. It’s a part of their folk tradition, like bull fighting for Spaniards or beer drinking for Germans. It’s something that sets their culture apart from all other European-derived cultures, so they tend to be proud of it. They like thinking of themselves as descendents of fronteersmen, which to a large extent they are.

    I think that at the emotional level the attack on gun ownership is an attack against these people’s ethnic pride. And there’s not much more than emotion in this.

    As urban crime fell and cities gentrified over the last 25 years, the anti-gun fervor did not decrease.

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    In Europe private gun ownership was historically associated with the aristocracy, so there a campaign against it wouldn't feel like an attack on local culture or on the average man. It's a symbol more than anything. Other cultures have other symbols.
    , @Olorin
    Don't be fatuous.

    Firearms is America's martial art. Martial arts are the commoners' last line of protection against oligarchs and other tyrants (including the local criminal kind).

    The Second Amendment protects the inborn right to keep and bear ARMS.

    That also means bows and arrows, sharp things, and things you can hit things with.

    We're not emotional PJ/BJ boys. Emotion doesn't hit a target at 200-500 yards with an open sights historic rifle or Robin Hood two arrows that were supposed to just kiss (jeez, I hate when that happens; so expensive).

    Skill does. And skill doesn't come from the limbic system. In fact emotion is what keeps OK marksmen (or archers or swordsmen or fencers or...) from being champion ones.

    Also, we don't all live in gentrified cities, which is to say, nice old American cities burned over by the weaponized undertow in the service of their commercial real estate developer plantation masters.

    In fact most of us live in suburbs that have had city problems exported to us in the name of "equality" and "justice" and stuff. In my rural area Mexican drug cartels routinely cause problems, and all manner of sketchy and lethal people prowl.

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  30. Is there some significance to the fact that the cartooning is so inept? The shadows on the handguns (but only some of them) indicate that they are being stood up on their grip. How? By levitation? Why does the handgun near the signature “Drooker” have no detail at all? Not even a trigger. The woman shows great grip strength by one-handedly holding the rifle as she does. (A New Yorker now costs $7.99?)

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    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    I think the ineptness of the drawing is part artistic license (I have a copy of a painting by Frank Frazetta that has sailing ship boom suspended in mid-air) and part ignorance, which is significant in its own way. For example, as you note, the handguns are crudely drawn and levitating, so are the WW2 era grenades suspended in the front basket, the rest of the stuff in the basket is absurd, and the rifle she is awkwardly holding up by the handgrip is an amazing design with iron sites on both the top and bottom of the barrel. Other errors, too, but, whatever.
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  31. @TangoMan
    While we're on the topic of NY media, what's going on with the Daily News. Here's the latest opinion piece ripping into one of the victims, equating him to the terrorist couple, because he wanted to see Ann Coulter named as head of Homeland Security.

    While we’re on the topic of NY media, what’s going on with the Daily News.

    Sturm und Drang

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  32. p s c says:

    Barak Loves Farook!

    How to make into t-shirts, bumper stickers, or something that is now called a “meme?”

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  33. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    No.

    The scandal, not him personally.

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    No.
    , @Wyrd
    Jewish porn-boy tries to shame white women for not fudging black guys. Said white women shut him up by claiming he raped them. End of story.
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  34. @Elites
    Cool!!! We're the enemy!

    We’ve been micro-aggressed!

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  35. Glossy says: • Website
    @Glossy
    I think Steve is wrong about the motivations of the anti-gun people. Gun ownership is very important to American-Americans, aka real Americans. It's a part of their folk tradition, like bull fighting for Spaniards or beer drinking for Germans. It's something that sets their culture apart from all other European-derived cultures, so they tend to be proud of it. They like thinking of themselves as descendents of fronteersmen, which to a large extent they are.

    I think that at the emotional level the attack on gun ownership is an attack against these people's ethnic pride. And there's not much more than emotion in this.

    As urban crime fell and cities gentrified over the last 25 years, the anti-gun fervor did not decrease.

    In Europe private gun ownership was historically associated with the aristocracy, so there a campaign against it wouldn’t feel like an attack on local culture or on the average man. It’s a symbol more than anything. Other cultures have other symbols.

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  36. newrouter says:

    mark levin, on his show, was questioning the term “semi automatic”, this week, for weapons such as the the civilian ar-15. i think a machine gun is “fully automatic”: pull trigger fire all you want. there is an army variant to the ar – 15 whereby pulling the trigger gives you a 3 round blast ie ” semi automatic”. the civilian ar-15 necessitates the pulling of the trigger to load a round. so does a pistol or a revolver. therefore these arms should be as “one shot guns” as opposed to bolt action rifles or two barrel shotguns.
    we are dealing with idiots who think “solar/wind” energy can be used as base load generators for the nations electrical grid. they are not knowledgeable in the gun arts either.

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    I know, people are so ignorant! Look on youtube for 'AR-15 pistol rapid fire'. Here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfKaurlNG1A&t=2m37s

    Shooting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfKaurlNG1A&t=3m45s
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  37. @TangoMan
    While we're on the topic of NY media, what's going on with the Daily News. Here's the latest opinion piece ripping into one of the victims, equating him to the terrorist couple, because he wanted to see Ann Coulter named as head of Homeland Security.

    Thanks.

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  38. Bugg says:

    White folks stocking up at Walmart for the day in the very near future when The One declares martial law and cancels next year’s election.

    As to the hard-hitting speaking truth to power MFM, when do we get that investigative masterpiece about media oligarchs who have made fortunes on the backs of the immigrants in the shadows every time they make remittances, wire transfers and phone card calls. The New York Times can even stop by the corner office for an in depth interview.

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    White folks stocking up at Walmart for the day in the very near future when The One declares martial law and cancels next year’s election.

     

    The Walmart in my city doesn't sell guns because it's in a diverse area and the city council asked them not to.

    It's my understanding (from gun controllers themselves) that federal law allows gun dealers to turn down any customer for any reason and are not required to make that reason explicit.

    Is this true? If so, a dealer could impose a blanket ban an sales to nonwhites and get away with it.

    Do Walmart and other dealers do this in the South? Or do they take money from anybody?
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  39. @Anonymous
    The scandal, not him personally.

    No.

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    Lots of iSteve-y related topics though. Just putting that out there. Check out the URL and title of this story. He's also from Pasadena.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344438/He-s-sweet-kid-NASA-rocket-scientist-father-James-Deen-defends-son-went-upper-middle-class-Jewish-kid-mega-porn-star-accused-violent-sexual-assaults.html
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  40. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    No.

    Lots of iSteve-y related topics though. Just putting that out there. Check out the URL and title of this story. He’s also from Pasadena.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344438/He-s-sweet-kid-NASA-rocket-scientist-father-James-Deen-defends-son-went-upper-middle-class-Jewish-kid-mega-porn-star-accused-violent-sexual-assaults.html

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    He's not interested. Stoppit.
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  41. SPMoore8 says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Is there some significance to the fact that the cartooning is so inept? The shadows on the handguns (but only some of them) indicate that they are being stood up on their grip. How? By levitation? Why does the handgun near the signature "Drooker" have no detail at all? Not even a trigger. The woman shows great grip strength by one-handedly holding the rifle as she does. (A New Yorker now costs $7.99?)

    I think the ineptness of the drawing is part artistic license (I have a copy of a painting by Frank Frazetta that has sailing ship boom suspended in mid-air) and part ignorance, which is significant in its own way. For example, as you note, the handguns are crudely drawn and levitating, so are the WW2 era grenades suspended in the front basket, the rest of the stuff in the basket is absurd, and the rifle she is awkwardly holding up by the handgrip is an amazing design with iron sites on both the top and bottom of the barrel. Other errors, too, but, whatever.

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    Artistic license excuses the peripheral imagery (such as the blurry handgun with no trigger), but the focal point, where she's holding the rifle by the grip at an impossible angle, is rendered in some detail and therefore betrays the artist's careless ignorance. Guns aren't made of Styrofoam! And I don't know what to make of that bottom sight, or whatever it is. I suspect it was maybe supposed to be some kind of tripod. Same crap, in any case. That Comics Curmudgeon guy is always pointing out similar physical absurdities in Mary Worth panels -- and the worst Mary Worth panels are better than this.

    And I notice they're buying whole milk. Silly heartland Americans. They don't read no Science.
    , @Veracitor
    I'm pretty sure the triangular thing "opposite" the front sight post assy is supposed to be a Magpul angled forward handgrip. However, the artist is still a fool as well as a poor (or excessively medicated) painter.
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  42. Wilkey says:

    So that’s what a Pakistani Muslim looks like underneath her hijab – Nicole Kidman.

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  43. Boomstick says:

    The rest of traditional America has a lot to learn from the gun rights folks.

    The media has been trying to stampede the public on guns for years, in the same way they’ve stampeded the public on so many other issues. The gun rights activists have just told them to shove off, got down to organizing votes, and kicked in the prog’s teeth.

    The media has never forgiven them for it, which is why we see things like the NYT front page editorial/cri de coeur/foot stamping on guns.

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  44. Wyrd says:
    @Anonymous
    The scandal, not him personally.

    Jewish porn-boy tries to shame white women for not fudging black guys. Said white women shut him up by claiming he raped them. End of story.

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  45. eah says:

    I don’t detect much of an “obsession” among Americans re firearms — it’s the media that has an obsession about Americans who own firearms.

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  46. countenance says: • Website

    Tidbits:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/12/03/no-mr-president-nra-not-blame-san-bernardino-column/76748608/

    California already did what the bigmouths want.

    Remember, he was once mayor of Baltimore. He should also remember that Obama’s pen and phone will be Donald Trump’s pen and phone beginning 1/20/17 at Noon.

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    "Remember, he was once mayor of Baltimore. He should also remember that Obama’s pen and phone will be Donald Trump’s pen and phone beginning 1/20/17 at Noon."

    I am sure Martin O'Malley would say the reason Baltimore has such a high homicide rate is because it has an NRA problem, not because it has a Black male problem. The housing projects of Baltimore are overwhelmingly inhabited by White Southern NRA members of English and Ulster Scotch-Irish descent. Don't believe the extremely racist anti-Black HBO show The Wire, the housing projects of Baltimore are not as Black as Africa.

    The real life Omar Little of Baltimore is an NRA mass shooter terrorist with ginger hair and blue eyes, reflecting his Ulster Scotch-Irish ancestry.

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  47. Were hyperbole money, Left-lib-progs would be the richest people on earth.

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  48. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Let the New Yorker keep up their current political screed. A hard left tilt sank Newsweek, and it’ll sink The New Yorker, too.

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    I've been paying my mother's subscription (she's in her mid-90's) for 20 years, and it's been around all my life. New Yorker became terminal left 30 years ago. Cartoons are still good, though.
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  49. @Anonymous
    Any thoughts on James Deen, Steve?

    Any thoughts on James Deen, Steve?

    No.

    The scandal, not him personally.

    No.

    He gives a fresh take on the lyric to David Essex’s “Rock On”:

    Still looking for that blue jean, baby queen
    Prettiest girl I ever seen
    See her shake on the movie screen,
    Jimmy Deen…
    James Deen

    This fan, who kinda looks like Rowlf, confused Deen with Jimmy:

    http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2015/10/woman-caught-masturbating-with-sausage-in-wal-mart-bathroom/

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    Dude, that link should have had an ugly warning!
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  50. Buzz Mohawk says: • Website

    Though intended to be viewed otherwise, I prefer to see this cover as a depiction of a true American couple preparing to defend themselves against the now-intensifying anti-White, anti-Western, anti-European attack — because their own government refuses to do so.

    Because their own government is actually aiding and abetting the attack.

    As is the New Yorker.

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  51. Jefferson says:
    @TangoMan
    While we're on the topic of NY media, what's going on with the Daily News. Here's the latest opinion piece ripping into one of the victims, equating him to the terrorist couple, because he wanted to see Ann Coulter named as head of Homeland Security.

    “While we’re on the topic of NY media, what’s going on with the Daily News. Here’s the latest opinion piece ripping into one of the victims, equating him to the terrorist couple, because he wanted to see Ann Coulter named as head of Homeland Security.”

    The New York Daily News also said The NRA is a more dangerous terrorist organization than ISIS. How many mass shooting terrorist attacks has the executive vice president of the NRA Wayne LaPierre committed? If he is such a terrorist mastermind, why hasn’t the Obama administration locked him up yet? Shouldn’t Wayne LaPierre be awaiting the death penalty or at least be serving life in prison?

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    How many mass shooting terrorist attacks has the executive vice president of the NRA Wayne LaPierre committed?
     
    How many criminal aliens has LaPierre allowed into our country? How many illegal aliens who have been caught driving drunk, only to be released and later killed someone, did LaPierre let in? How many Saudi tourists who wanted to learn how to steer a plane, but not land one, did LaPierre let in?
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  52. SPMoore8 says:
    @Anon
    Let the New Yorker keep up their current political screed. A hard left tilt sank Newsweek, and it'll sink The New Yorker, too.

    I’ve been paying my mother’s subscription (she’s in her mid-90′s) for 20 years, and it’s been around all my life. New Yorker became terminal left 30 years ago. Cartoons are still good, though.

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  53. unit472 says:

    It is worth noting that, in recent years, the biggest problem in keeping firearms out of the hands of madmen is not loose gun laws but HIPAA, the medical records secrecy laws. Deranged gunmen like the killers at Virginia Tech, Aurora, Co., the Washington Navy Yard, the Tucson gunman and the college student who shot up a classroom in Oregon all had one thing in common. They had seen mental health professionals shortly before they went on their rampages but that fact was concealed from the data base used to conduct a firearms background check.

    Why liberals refuse to see that concealing mental illness from such a data base is the most glaring loophole in our gun laws is perplexing. No one is talking about making psychiatric records public just alerting gun dealers that a person cannot be sold a firearm without some sort of hearing to evaluate their present mental condition.

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    • Replies: @gruff
    This is true, HIPAA does have an actual "chilling effect". It's overapplied.
    , @Chris Mallory

    "....the biggest problem in keeping firearms out of the hands of madmen is not loose gun laws but HIPAA,....but that fact was concealed from the data base used to conduct a firearms background check."
     
    The "mental health loophole" is just as much of a smoke screen as the "terrorist watch list loophole" ATF Form 4473 does not ask if a person has "seen a mental health professional". It asks if a person " has been adjudicated as mentally defective" or "committed to a mental institution." Both are legal processes that remove a person, even if for a short time, from the general population. HIPAA doesn't conceal a judge's signature on paperwork sending a person to the loony bin.
    , @scrivener3
    I believe you overestimate the predictive ability of mental health professionals. If anyone who was giving care to a recent deranged gunmen had a belief that their patient would kill people they would be allowed to notify authorities. What sort of hearing would you propose for someone who sought mental health services (or took an anti-depressant, or took an ADHD drug)?
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  54. Harold says:

    How does an artistic incompetent get his art on the cover of the New Yorker?

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    Hate literature is not known for its artistic merit.
    , @res

    How does an artistic incompetent get his art on the cover of the New Yorker?
     
    That's a big part of the incentive to follow the narrative. You can be incompetent and get work published in "top tier" publications. Works for both text and art apparently.
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  55. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “So, honey, after we stock up here, should we pick up some old flamethrowers or some of those cool Russian infantry fuel-air explosive rocket launchers next?”

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    In many states flame throwers are perfectly legal and used in farming for brush removal.
    , @Olorin
    Woah. Better arrest all those organic farmers for their "flame throwers".

    https://attra.ncat.org/calendar/question.php/what-can-you-tell-me-about-flame-weeding-as-a-method-of-weed-control-in-organic-crops-1

    http://cropwatch.unl.edu/flame-weeding-offers-alternative-weed-control-method-unl-cropwatch-aug-9-2012

    http://www.the-organic-gardener.com/flame-weeder.html

    And so on.
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  56. Jefferson says:
    @countenance
    Tidbits:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/12/03/no-mr-president-nra-not-blame-san-bernardino-column/76748608/

    California already did what the bigmouths want.

    https://twitter.com/MartinOMalley/status/672987441704255488

    Remember, he was once mayor of Baltimore. He should also remember that Obama's pen and phone will be Donald Trump's pen and phone beginning 1/20/17 at Noon.

    “Remember, he was once mayor of Baltimore. He should also remember that Obama’s pen and phone will be Donald Trump’s pen and phone beginning 1/20/17 at Noon.”

    I am sure Martin O’Malley would say the reason Baltimore has such a high homicide rate is because it has an NRA problem, not because it has a Black male problem. The housing projects of Baltimore are overwhelmingly inhabited by White Southern NRA members of English and Ulster Scotch-Irish descent. Don’t believe the extremely racist anti-Black HBO show The Wire, the housing projects of Baltimore are not as Black as Africa.

    The real life Omar Little of Baltimore is an NRA mass shooter terrorist with ginger hair and blue eyes, reflecting his Ulster Scotch-Irish ancestry.

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  57. I guess the artist drew this as a fantasy of what white people at gun shows must look like, without ever having gone to one. I’ve spent time at gun shows in Oklahoma and Arizona, where I’ve seen plenty of white people, but not specimens this attractive.

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  58. countenance says: • Website

    The WaPo, in mocking the NYT being so melodramatic in today’s front page editorial, linked to the NYT’s last front page op-ed, back in June 1920. It was about how dangerous and farcical the just-nominated Republican Presidential ticket of Harding-Coolidge was.

    Couldn’t have been all bad. Warren Harding might have been corrupt as all hell, but at least he signed a big immigration restriction bill in 1921. His running mate and successor signed further immigration restrictions three years later. And that helped to fuel real assimilation of white ethnic immigrants and a massive rise in the average standard of living for average people for the next half century.

    Meaning NYT front page editorials don’t seem to have a good batting average.

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    Unz.org preserves Michael McMenamin's classic Reason article from about 35 years ago arguing that Harding had one of the greatest terms of any president-- despite his scandals and death. It's well worth looking up-- especially if you have to deal with the type of Dem who complains "Clinton doesn't get the credit he deserves!"

    In another classic from the same era, Steven Barone explains Jean Piaget's framework of three stages of cognitive maturation-- and how half the population never reaches the third. Yet they still cast votes.

    Remember when libertarians had brains, and used them?
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  59. @Bugg
    White folks stocking up at Walmart for the day in the very near future when The One declares martial law and cancels next year's election.

    As to the hard-hitting speaking truth to power MFM, when do we get that investigative masterpiece about media oligarchs who have made fortunes on the backs of the immigrants in the shadows every time they make remittances, wire transfers and phone card calls. The New York Times can even stop by the corner office for an in depth interview.

    White folks stocking up at Walmart for the day in the very near future when The One declares martial law and cancels next year’s election.

    The Walmart in my city doesn’t sell guns because it’s in a diverse area and the city council asked them not to.

    It’s my understanding (from gun controllers themselves) that federal law allows gun dealers to turn down any customer for any reason and are not required to make that reason explicit.

    Is this true? If so, a dealer could impose a blanket ban an sales to nonwhites and get away with it.

    Do Walmart and other dealers do this in the South? Or do they take money from anybody?

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    "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" used to be part of American culture, back when we respected property rights and freedom of association.

    Now, we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, as long as anyone is a white male, and not a veteran, or disabled, or a Muslim or Jew, or, in some jurisdictions, a homosexual or tranny.
    , @Joe Stalin
    There was a pro-gun Illinois organization called, I think, "Conceal Carry," that had obtained an FFL (Federal Firearms License). They said that they would NOT sell to African-Americans unless some bonafide Black civil rights leader, like the NAACP or Jesse Jackson, Sr. asked them to lift their ban.

    Guess what.

    No Blacks stepped forward to ask that they lift their ban.

    It was more important for Blacks to maintain their good-little-leftists status with the Cosmopolitans than lifting the gun ban to their race.

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  60. Chip Smith says: • Website
    @SPMoore8
    I think the ineptness of the drawing is part artistic license (I have a copy of a painting by Frank Frazetta that has sailing ship boom suspended in mid-air) and part ignorance, which is significant in its own way. For example, as you note, the handguns are crudely drawn and levitating, so are the WW2 era grenades suspended in the front basket, the rest of the stuff in the basket is absurd, and the rifle she is awkwardly holding up by the handgrip is an amazing design with iron sites on both the top and bottom of the barrel. Other errors, too, but, whatever.

    Artistic license excuses the peripheral imagery (such as the blurry handgun with no trigger), but the focal point, where she’s holding the rifle by the grip at an impossible angle, is rendered in some detail and therefore betrays the artist’s careless ignorance. Guns aren’t made of Styrofoam! And I don’t know what to make of that bottom sight, or whatever it is. I suspect it was maybe supposed to be some kind of tripod. Same crap, in any case. That Comics Curmudgeon guy is always pointing out similar physical absurdities in Mary Worth panels — and the worst Mary Worth panels are better than this.

    And I notice they’re buying whole milk. Silly heartland Americans. They don’t read no Science.

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    • Replies: @Boomstick
    The thing on the bottom is supposed to be a Magpul angled foregrip, a do-hickey that attaches under the front handguard to aid in looking cool. It looks like the artist was working, badly, off an image of a rifle that had been excessively accessorized.

    But, yeah, the front sight base is wrong, the proportions are wrong, the holosight is in the wrong place, that looks like some kind of AK muzzle brake, etc.
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  61. eah says:

    Doing a news.google.com search for ‘san bernardino gun control’ got 13.5m results — looking at the summaries on the first couple of pages, pretty much every story was about either a debate or a call for gun control after San Bernardino — doing the same for ‘baltimore gun control’ yielded 3.85m results — scrolling thru the first several pages, really only a couple of stories could be said to directly connect Baltimore violence to gun control.

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  62. @countenance
    The WaPo, in mocking the NYT being so melodramatic in today's front page editorial, linked to the NYT's last front page op-ed, back in June 1920. It was about how dangerous and farcical the just-nominated Republican Presidential ticket of Harding-Coolidge was.

    Couldn't have been all bad. Warren Harding might have been corrupt as all hell, but at least he signed a big immigration restriction bill in 1921. His running mate and successor signed further immigration restrictions three years later. And that helped to fuel real assimilation of white ethnic immigrants and a massive rise in the average standard of living for average people for the next half century.

    Meaning NYT front page editorials don't seem to have a good batting average.

    Unz.org preserves Michael McMenamin’s classic Reason article from about 35 years ago arguing that Harding had one of the greatest terms of any president– despite his scandals and death. It’s well worth looking up– especially if you have to deal with the type of Dem who complains “Clinton doesn’t get the credit he deserves!”

    In another classic from the same era, Steven Barone explains Jean Piaget’s framework of three stages of cognitive maturation– and how half the population never reaches the third. Yet they still cast votes.

    Remember when libertarians had brains, and used them?

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    Can you post a link to it please? I'm always happy to expand my horizons.
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  63. Boomstick says:
    @Chip Smith
    Artistic license excuses the peripheral imagery (such as the blurry handgun with no trigger), but the focal point, where she's holding the rifle by the grip at an impossible angle, is rendered in some detail and therefore betrays the artist's careless ignorance. Guns aren't made of Styrofoam! And I don't know what to make of that bottom sight, or whatever it is. I suspect it was maybe supposed to be some kind of tripod. Same crap, in any case. That Comics Curmudgeon guy is always pointing out similar physical absurdities in Mary Worth panels -- and the worst Mary Worth panels are better than this.

    And I notice they're buying whole milk. Silly heartland Americans. They don't read no Science.

    The thing on the bottom is supposed to be a Magpul angled foregrip, a do-hickey that attaches under the front handguard to aid in looking cool. It looks like the artist was working, badly, off an image of a rifle that had been excessively accessorized.

    But, yeah, the front sight base is wrong, the proportions are wrong, the holosight is in the wrong place, that looks like some kind of AK muzzle brake, etc.

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    Thanks for the correction regarding the foregrip.
    , @Twinkie

    The thing on the bottom is supposed to be a Magpul angled foregrip, a do-hickey that attaches under the front handguard to aid in looking cool.
     
    It's not for "looking cool." For some people, it is actually quite ergonomic and aids in muzzle rise/recoil control.

    I don't personally care for them (all my AR-15-type rifles have traditional fore grips because that's what *I* find comfortable), but for others they work.

    I'm the last person to advocate for adding weight to rifles and carbines, but even a traditionalist as I am appreciates the speed of red dot sights and the ergonomics of fore grips.
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  64. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Reg Cæsar




    Any thoughts on James Deen, Steve?

     

    No.
     
    The scandal, not him personally.

     

    No.
     
    He gives a fresh take on the lyric to David Essex's "Rock On":

    Still looking for that blue jean, baby queen
    Prettiest girl I ever seen
    See her shake on the movie screen,
    Jimmy Deen...
    James Deen


    This fan, who kinda looks like Rowlf, confused Deen with Jimmy:

    www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2015/10/woman-caught-masturbating-with-sausage-in-wal-mart-bathroom/

    Dude, that link should have had an ugly warning!

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  65. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Would artist Drooker be related to any Druckers from New York?

    He sure did make the pair look like goyim.

    This is another variation on writing TV shows based on real crime news headlines but switching the race of perp and victim.

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  66. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Anonymous
    Lots of iSteve-y related topics though. Just putting that out there. Check out the URL and title of this story. He's also from Pasadena.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344438/He-s-sweet-kid-NASA-rocket-scientist-father-James-Deen-defends-son-went-upper-middle-class-Jewish-kid-mega-porn-star-accused-violent-sexual-assaults.html

    He’s not interested. Stoppit.

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    He is a movie buff though.
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  67. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    Who is the Editor-in-Chief of The New Yorker? Did he write a fawning book about Obama?

    Look (as Obama likes to say), I think everybody should brace themselves for 14 more months of Peak SJW provocation. Because they goin’ down, and they know it. Trump is driving them batshit. So, don’t feel no ways tarred.

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  68. Chip Smith says: • Website
    @Boomstick
    The thing on the bottom is supposed to be a Magpul angled foregrip, a do-hickey that attaches under the front handguard to aid in looking cool. It looks like the artist was working, badly, off an image of a rifle that had been excessively accessorized.

    But, yeah, the front sight base is wrong, the proportions are wrong, the holosight is in the wrong place, that looks like some kind of AK muzzle brake, etc.

    Thanks for the correction regarding the foregrip.

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  69. Romanian says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    Unz.org preserves Michael McMenamin's classic Reason article from about 35 years ago arguing that Harding had one of the greatest terms of any president-- despite his scandals and death. It's well worth looking up-- especially if you have to deal with the type of Dem who complains "Clinton doesn't get the credit he deserves!"

    In another classic from the same era, Steven Barone explains Jean Piaget's framework of three stages of cognitive maturation-- and how half the population never reaches the third. Yet they still cast votes.

    Remember when libertarians had brains, and used them?

    Can you post a link to it please? I’m always happy to expand my horizons.

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    Direct link to the overview. Can download the PDF (1 page article).
    https://www.unz.org/Pub/Reason-1980oct-00037?View=Overview
    , @Reg Cæsar
    McMenamin:
    http://unz.org/Pub/Reason-1980oct-00037

    Barone:
    http://unz.org/Pub/Reason-1986nov-00048
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  70. @Harold
    How does an artistic incompetent get his art on the cover of the New Yorker?

    Hate literature is not known for its artistic merit.

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  71. @Svigor

    "What would it look like if I took America's obsession with firearms to its logical extreme?"
     
    Like if, say, all those Christmas-party-goers in San Bernardino had been packing heat, and filled the Maliks' noggins with a diverse array of 9mm, 10mm, .38, .45, .357, etc? That kind of logical extreme?

    and filled the Maliks’ noggins with a diverse array of 9mm, 10mm, .38, .45, .357, etc? That kind of logical extreme?

    That is not a logical extreme. It is a minimal threshold of common sense. But, as a wag has already mentioned, “common sense is not that common.”

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  72. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Progs loved Bonnie and Clyde.

    And Hollywood(run by Libs) has always romanticized the gub.

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  73. Anonym says:

    Dude’s in the wrong aisle. Minoxidil and finasteride are in aisle 6.

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  74. iSteveFan says:
    @Jefferson
    "While we’re on the topic of NY media, what’s going on with the Daily News. Here’s the latest opinion piece ripping into one of the victims, equating him to the terrorist couple, because he wanted to see Ann Coulter named as head of Homeland Security."

    The New York Daily News also said The NRA is a more dangerous terrorist organization than ISIS. How many mass shooting terrorist attacks has the executive vice president of the NRA Wayne LaPierre committed? If he is such a terrorist mastermind, why hasn't the Obama administration locked him up yet? Shouldn't Wayne LaPierre be awaiting the death penalty or at least be serving life in prison?

    How many mass shooting terrorist attacks has the executive vice president of the NRA Wayne LaPierre committed?

    How many criminal aliens has LaPierre allowed into our country? How many illegal aliens who have been caught driving drunk, only to be released and later killed someone, did LaPierre let in? How many Saudi tourists who wanted to learn how to steer a plane, but not land one, did LaPierre let in?

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    I once knew a man who constantly railed against the NRA and blamed them for street crime. I asked him: "Name one case of a NRA member robbing a convenience store or any other armed robbery."

    He was speechless.
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  75. gruff says:
    @Elites
    Cool!!! We're the enemy!

    quoth Pogo

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  76. gruff says:
    @unit472
    It is worth noting that, in recent years, the biggest problem in keeping firearms out of the hands of madmen is not loose gun laws but HIPAA, the medical records secrecy laws. Deranged gunmen like the killers at Virginia Tech, Aurora, Co., the Washington Navy Yard, the Tucson gunman and the college student who shot up a classroom in Oregon all had one thing in common. They had seen mental health professionals shortly before they went on their rampages but that fact was concealed from the data base used to conduct a firearms background check.

    Why liberals refuse to see that concealing mental illness from such a data base is the most glaring loophole in our gun laws is perplexing. No one is talking about making psychiatric records public just alerting gun dealers that a person cannot be sold a firearm without some sort of hearing to evaluate their present mental condition.

    This is true, HIPAA does have an actual “chilling effect”. It’s overapplied.

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  77. Abe says: • Website

    I preferred their earlier rendition of the shooter couple-

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/13/yikes-controversial-emnew_n_112429.html

    Strangely, the NEW YORKER’S PR department tells me that cover is untroothy and I’m a dummy for not getting their joke, but the new cover is dead seriously accurate.

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  78. @newrouter
    mark levin, on his show, was questioning the term "semi automatic", this week, for weapons such as the the civilian ar-15. i think a machine gun is "fully automatic": pull trigger fire all you want. there is an army variant to the ar - 15 whereby pulling the trigger gives you a 3 round blast ie " semi automatic". the civilian ar-15 necessitates the pulling of the trigger to load a round. so does a pistol or a revolver. therefore these arms should be as "one shot guns" as opposed to bolt action rifles or two barrel shotguns.
    we are dealing with idiots who think "solar/wind" energy can be used as base load generators for the nations electrical grid. they are not knowledgeable in the gun arts either.

    I know, people are so ignorant! Look on youtube for ‘AR-15 pistol rapid fire’. Here:

    Shooting:

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  79. G Pinfold says:
    @SPMoore8
    Here's a link to the editorial in question:

    Comments:

    *The editorial is way over-written with "righteous fury", "slaughter of innocents", the ability to purchase weapons with "brutal speed" (brutal speed?)

    *You will break your CTRL+F buttons looking for "Islam", "Muslim", "ISIS", etc.

    *Editorial calls for banning AR-15's, like that makes a difference. In that sense, no one should have allowed that rifle to be called an "assault weapon"; it's just a rifle that uses a relatively small round that tumbles. It is not a magic weapon. And, frankly, it's not in the interests of our national defense to prevent Americans from having one. One can talk about magazine sizes, types of bullets, or full automatic -- all three I am sure under some restrictions, but the melodrama about this particular type of rifle is absurd. The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.

    *As for the New Yorker cover, I note that it is a white couple purchasing the weapons at the grocery store, including grenades, which should not be purchasable in any case. But, yeah, a loving married Muslim couple made a whole lot of pipe bombs. What do we do now? Ban pipe?

    Muslim couple made a whole lot of pipe bombs. What do we do now? Ban pipe?

    No Grasshopper. But the answer is contained within your question.

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    Ban couples just because one couple made pipe bombs? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
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  80. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @SPMoore8
    Here's a link to the editorial in question:

    Comments:

    *The editorial is way over-written with "righteous fury", "slaughter of innocents", the ability to purchase weapons with "brutal speed" (brutal speed?)

    *You will break your CTRL+F buttons looking for "Islam", "Muslim", "ISIS", etc.

    *Editorial calls for banning AR-15's, like that makes a difference. In that sense, no one should have allowed that rifle to be called an "assault weapon"; it's just a rifle that uses a relatively small round that tumbles. It is not a magic weapon. And, frankly, it's not in the interests of our national defense to prevent Americans from having one. One can talk about magazine sizes, types of bullets, or full automatic -- all three I am sure under some restrictions, but the melodrama about this particular type of rifle is absurd. The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.

    *As for the New Yorker cover, I note that it is a white couple purchasing the weapons at the grocery store, including grenades, which should not be purchasable in any case. But, yeah, a loving married Muslim couple made a whole lot of pipe bombs. What do we do now? Ban pipe?

    The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.

    Why does everyone always forget that the guy who still has the record for most people killed in a shooting, Sueng-Hui Cho, managed to rack them all up with two little pistols?

    I know, I know. To ask that question is to answer it. But even people who are aguing against the Narrative still always forget to point it out when they should.

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    The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.

    Why does everyone always forget that the guy who still has the record for most people killed in a shooting, Sueng-Hui Cho, managed to rack them all up with two little pistols?
     
    For much of modern American history, 22 caliber pistols have been responsible for a HUGE fraction of "gun deaths," usually through blood loss and shock. The itty bitty 22. Yet handguns are generally notoriously weak for producing "stopping" power and those who are shot with one tend to survive with modern medical care (unless unlucky enough to suffer direct hits to the brain, CNS, artery or major organ).

    Or, for that matter, the biggest mass killing at a school in the U.S. wasn't even committed with guns, but with explosives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    I always find it somewhat bewildering that American leftists fixate on civilian firearms (the vast majority of which are not select fire or full-auto) while completely ignorant of the ready availability of knowledge and materiel for building improvised explosives.

    To put simply, if you want to kill someone stealthily you use a blade and if you want to kill a lot of people you use explosives. Handguns and long guns are much more effective for defense than for offense in the hands of most people. During World War II, the type of weapon that produced most deaths was artillery. Boom boom.
    , @unit472
    Some 20 years or so ago an immigrant madman went 'postal' in a law firm located in an office tower in downtown San Francisco. He had one of those ferocious looking Tec 9s with a high capacity magazine and a Norinco knockoff of a 1911 Colt auto. Sadly, he did manage to kill 8 people but he was himself killed by a very brave police officer who made his way up to the 34 th floor and shot the lunatic to death as he struggled with his jammed weapons.

    Of course the Californa legislature took all the wrong lessons from this incident and passed laws banning 'assault rifles' , high capacity magazines and certain types of ammo. Besides the obvious problem of the man being a mentally unstable immigrant ( born in Somalia) who was allowed to come to the US the fact that he was using cheap handguns with aftermarket magazines was ignored. This was hardly the first time Norinco and other cheap imported firearms have been used in street crimes and incidents of mass murder ( nor the only time they jammed)

    Like repealing HIPAA laws, liberal lawmakers could avoid a lot of opposition from gun rights advocates if they would follow their normal instincts and ban cheap imported firearms. Most deranged killers are low income losers. The cannot afford to buy high end firearms and there is nothing to stop liberal legislatures from imposing high taxes on firearm sales. AK's are popular because they are cheap not because they are quality rifles as are many 'Saturday Night Specials' favored by street criminals.
    , @epebble
    Even if were to have a Japan style total removal of guns, they could have easily committed Jihad any number of ways. The typical PLO style suicide bombing could have easily had hundreds of casualties, for example, in a Walmart on Black Friday. Another angle nobody seems to have looked at is Mr. Jihad was a health inspector. He could have easily slipped some E. Coli or Salmonella (or much worse) into restaurants. Nobody seems to have noticed that employing observant Muslims to deal with non-Halal food is asking for trouble. Opportunity for Jihad is too tempting as they will be doing Allah's work by eliminating Haram (non-Halal) eaters.
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  81. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The cartoon can have many interpretations, as the comments show.

    But, the fact of life is that we can’t keep AR-15s and other mass killing guns away from Mohammed, Juan, and LeShawn without keeping them away from Billy Bob as well.

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    Then it's too bad for the left that there are so many Billy Bobs in the world.

    I guess the next best solution is to just keep any more Mohameds and Juans from coming here, and keep a better eye on LeShawn.

    Another problem with using that as an example is that LeShawns typically don't shoot people with AR-15s anyway. They use handguns nearly all of the time. So you can ban "mass killing guns" as strongly as you want. It's not going to make the slightest bit of difference there. You could ban every type of gun except revolvers, and they'd still use revolvers to commit the exact amount of mayhem they already do.

    , @Clyde

    But, the fact of life is that we can’t keep AR-15s and other mass killing guns away from Mohammad, Juan, and LeShawn without keeping them away from Billy Bob as well
     
    My USA inter-racial scorecard reads:
    Mohammad- he mass kills whitey in Jihad (Europe) or Sudden Jihad Syndrome* (USA)
    Juan- he mass kills his own and its rare, usually wiping out family, his or other guys
    LeShawn- he mass kills whitey
    Whitey- he mass kills his own, Dylan Roof being the only exception
    Asian- he mass kills whitey and mixed

    *Sudden Jihad Syndrome
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Sudden_Jihad_Syndrome
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  82. Anything, anything, anything to get the conversation away from the flood of immigration. The more idiotic the better as it eats up the oxygen. I notice a near panic in the left lately. I think the West is about three major Islamic terror attacks away from a political sea change.

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  83. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @WhatEvvs
    He's not interested. Stoppit.

    He is a movie buff though.

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    Not for that definition of "buff".
    , @WhatEvvs
    Not of movies in the buff.
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  84. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    The cartoon can have many interpretations, as the comments show.

    But, the fact of life is that we can't keep AR-15s and other mass killing guns away from Mohammed, Juan, and LeShawn without keeping them away from Billy Bob as well.

    Then it’s too bad for the left that there are so many Billy Bobs in the world.

    I guess the next best solution is to just keep any more Mohameds and Juans from coming here, and keep a better eye on LeShawn.

    Another problem with using that as an example is that LeShawns typically don’t shoot people with AR-15s anyway. They use handguns nearly all of the time. So you can ban “mass killing guns” as strongly as you want. It’s not going to make the slightest bit of difference there. You could ban every type of gun except revolvers, and they’d still use revolvers to commit the exact amount of mayhem they already do.

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  85. Olorin says:
    @SPMoore8
    I forgot this kicker to the editorial:


    Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.
     
    I said earlier that it is in our national defense interests that ordinary American citizens have some familiarity with the type of weapon our armed services use. Therefore I argue that some kind of arm similar to standard issue (i.e., M-16, M-4) should be widely available for future national defense, and the AR-15 fits that bill. It could be reasonably restricted with smaller capacity magazines or even with modified rounds, I suppose. But not the weapon itself.

    But the editorial expects that Americans who have such weapons will just turn them in if such a law is passed. In the first place, that will not happen. In the second place, who will enforce that law, and with what will they be armed?

    “and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.”

    The begged question there is, for the good of WHICH fellow citizens?

    Having noted that, I think we know what the end game is here–who will enforce the law and with what they will be armed, in whose service.

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  86. Olorin says:
    @TangoMan
    While we're on the topic of NY media, what's going on with the Daily News. Here's the latest opinion piece ripping into one of the victims, equating him to the terrorist couple, because he wanted to see Ann Coulter named as head of Homeland Security.

    As I was going through the list of those murdered, I noted him in particular and wondered how he was going to get spun, since he seemed to be the only self-proclaimed conservative on this Diversitopia Dream Team.

    Didn’t have to wait long. Also figured there’d be talk about how the Jewish and Muslim guy argued about stuff.

    From what I’m seeing, the libs and progs around here aren’t connecting the dots on the fact that all that Diversity was targeted and destroyed. Gay guy, Asian woman, white men, Assyrian woman, blacks, hispanics, a jew, a good old boy ex truck driver, vets…all obliterated. Religion of peace indeed.

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  87. Clyde says:
    @Anonymous
    The cartoon can have many interpretations, as the comments show.

    But, the fact of life is that we can't keep AR-15s and other mass killing guns away from Mohammed, Juan, and LeShawn without keeping them away from Billy Bob as well.

    But, the fact of life is that we can’t keep AR-15s and other mass killing guns away from Mohammad, Juan, and LeShawn without keeping them away from Billy Bob as well

    My USA inter-racial scorecard reads:
    Mohammad- he mass kills whitey in Jihad (Europe) or Sudden Jihad Syndrome* (USA)
    Juan- he mass kills his own and its rare, usually wiping out family, his or other guys
    LeShawn- he mass kills whitey
    Whitey- he mass kills his own, Dylan Roof being the only exception
    Asian- he mass kills whitey and mixed

    *Sudden Jihad Syndrome

    http://www.conservapedia.com/Sudden_Jihad_Syndrome

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    Dylan Roof being the only exception
     
    Dylan Roof is not the only exception.
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  88. Olorin says:
    @Glossy
    I think Steve is wrong about the motivations of the anti-gun people. Gun ownership is very important to American-Americans, aka real Americans. It's a part of their folk tradition, like bull fighting for Spaniards or beer drinking for Germans. It's something that sets their culture apart from all other European-derived cultures, so they tend to be proud of it. They like thinking of themselves as descendents of fronteersmen, which to a large extent they are.

    I think that at the emotional level the attack on gun ownership is an attack against these people's ethnic pride. And there's not much more than emotion in this.

    As urban crime fell and cities gentrified over the last 25 years, the anti-gun fervor did not decrease.

    Don’t be fatuous.

    Firearms is America’s martial art. Martial arts are the commoners’ last line of protection against oligarchs and other tyrants (including the local criminal kind).

    The Second Amendment protects the inborn right to keep and bear ARMS.

    That also means bows and arrows, sharp things, and things you can hit things with.

    We’re not emotional PJ/BJ boys. Emotion doesn’t hit a target at 200-500 yards with an open sights historic rifle or Robin Hood two arrows that were supposed to just kiss (jeez, I hate when that happens; so expensive).

    Skill does. And skill doesn’t come from the limbic system. In fact emotion is what keeps OK marksmen (or archers or swordsmen or fencers or…) from being champion ones.

    Also, we don’t all live in gentrified cities, which is to say, nice old American cities burned over by the weaponized undertow in the service of their commercial real estate developer plantation masters.

    In fact most of us live in suburbs that have had city problems exported to us in the name of “equality” and “justice” and stuff. In my rural area Mexican drug cartels routinely cause problems, and all manner of sketchy and lethal people prowl.

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    Apologies for earlier suggesting it was possible to Robin Hood two arrows at 200-500 yards. I'm sure it is, but not with my Bear. Or skills.

    I got distracted by the thought of what two destroyed arrows cost and forgot to add "at 50" to the end of that sentence.
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  89. Olorin says:
    @countenance
    Concomitant to that, the NYT had a front page editorial today, the first time it has done that in 95 years. And, back in 1920, the NYT was not a crucial domestic and international media choke point. Add to it that the cross town NYDN has essentially issued a fatwa against Wayne LaPierre.

    The media/Democrats/left must really not want us to notice who did Paris and San Berdoo. If only I was more cynical, I would conclude that the doers happen to be faithful Democrat voting constituencies.

    https://countenance.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/nyt-12-5-15.jpg
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  90. Olorin says:
    @Olorin
    Don't be fatuous.

    Firearms is America's martial art. Martial arts are the commoners' last line of protection against oligarchs and other tyrants (including the local criminal kind).

    The Second Amendment protects the inborn right to keep and bear ARMS.

    That also means bows and arrows, sharp things, and things you can hit things with.

    We're not emotional PJ/BJ boys. Emotion doesn't hit a target at 200-500 yards with an open sights historic rifle or Robin Hood two arrows that were supposed to just kiss (jeez, I hate when that happens; so expensive).

    Skill does. And skill doesn't come from the limbic system. In fact emotion is what keeps OK marksmen (or archers or swordsmen or fencers or...) from being champion ones.

    Also, we don't all live in gentrified cities, which is to say, nice old American cities burned over by the weaponized undertow in the service of their commercial real estate developer plantation masters.

    In fact most of us live in suburbs that have had city problems exported to us in the name of "equality" and "justice" and stuff. In my rural area Mexican drug cartels routinely cause problems, and all manner of sketchy and lethal people prowl.

    Apologies for earlier suggesting it was possible to Robin Hood two arrows at 200-500 yards. I’m sure it is, but not with my Bear. Or skills.

    I got distracted by the thought of what two destroyed arrows cost and forgot to add “at 50″ to the end of that sentence.

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  91. Twinkie says:
    @Boomstick
    The thing on the bottom is supposed to be a Magpul angled foregrip, a do-hickey that attaches under the front handguard to aid in looking cool. It looks like the artist was working, badly, off an image of a rifle that had been excessively accessorized.

    But, yeah, the front sight base is wrong, the proportions are wrong, the holosight is in the wrong place, that looks like some kind of AK muzzle brake, etc.

    The thing on the bottom is supposed to be a Magpul angled foregrip, a do-hickey that attaches under the front handguard to aid in looking cool.

    It’s not for “looking cool.” For some people, it is actually quite ergonomic and aids in muzzle rise/recoil control.

    I don’t personally care for them (all my AR-15-type rifles have traditional fore grips because that’s what *I* find comfortable), but for others they work.

    I’m the last person to advocate for adding weight to rifles and carbines, but even a traditionalist as I am appreciates the speed of red dot sights and the ergonomics of fore grips.

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    Don't these weapons still have slings? That would be integral for instinctive orientation and in particular aimed shots. The Magpul device looks like something you'd catch your hand on.
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  92. Twinkie says:
    @Clyde

    But, the fact of life is that we can’t keep AR-15s and other mass killing guns away from Mohammad, Juan, and LeShawn without keeping them away from Billy Bob as well
     
    My USA inter-racial scorecard reads:
    Mohammad- he mass kills whitey in Jihad (Europe) or Sudden Jihad Syndrome* (USA)
    Juan- he mass kills his own and its rare, usually wiping out family, his or other guys
    LeShawn- he mass kills whitey
    Whitey- he mass kills his own, Dylan Roof being the only exception
    Asian- he mass kills whitey and mixed

    *Sudden Jihad Syndrome
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Sudden_Jihad_Syndrome

    Dylan Roof being the only exception

    Dylan Roof is not the only exception.

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    BTW I meant to put down Asian mass killings in the US as rare, same as Hispanic which I did list as rare. Besides Dylan Roof who? The death toll must have been low.
    , @Chris Mallory
    Other than Roof and the guy who shot up the Sikh temple, which other mass killers of the past 50 years were whites who targeted blacks. I guess an argument could be made for Jeffery Dahmer, but he was a serial killer not a rampage/spree/mass killer.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Yes, I think he is.
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  93. Twinkie says:
    @anon
    The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.

    Why does everyone always forget that the guy who still has the record for most people killed in a shooting, Sueng-Hui Cho, managed to rack them all up with two little pistols?

    I know, I know. To ask that question is to answer it. But even people who are aguing against the Narrative still always forget to point it out when they should.

    The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.

    Why does everyone always forget that the guy who still has the record for most people killed in a shooting, Sueng-Hui Cho, managed to rack them all up with two little pistols?

    For much of modern American history, 22 caliber pistols have been responsible for a HUGE fraction of “gun deaths,” usually through blood loss and shock. The itty bitty 22. Yet handguns are generally notoriously weak for producing “stopping” power and those who are shot with one tend to survive with modern medical care (unless unlucky enough to suffer direct hits to the brain, CNS, artery or major organ).

    Or, for that matter, the biggest mass killing at a school in the U.S. wasn’t even committed with guns, but with explosives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    I always find it somewhat bewildering that American leftists fixate on civilian firearms (the vast majority of which are not select fire or full-auto) while completely ignorant of the ready availability of knowledge and materiel for building improvised explosives.

    To put simply, if you want to kill someone stealthily you use a blade and if you want to kill a lot of people you use explosives. Handguns and long guns are much more effective for defense than for offense in the hands of most people. During World War II, the type of weapon that produced most deaths was artillery. Boom boom.

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  94. Twinkie says:

    Where can I find the shop in the picture? It would be great to pick up a carton of milk and some vintage Mk 2 frag grenades. Those “pineapple” grenades in the pictures were phased out of the U.S. military service in the 60′s (although *I* got to play with them in East Asia where they were stockpiled much longer).

    It’s always the 60′s with these leftists.

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  95. TheJester says:

    Two threads ….

    1. It should be very evident to every aware person that from the outset the Federal Government did everything it could to shift attention in the San Bernadino shootings from Islamic terrorism to characterizing it as a local workplace dispute. When the evidence made that impossible, President B. Hussein Obama had the gall to sympathetically suggest that the terrorists were also victims [?] … victims who had succombed to a hateful ideology. In short, do not blame Muslims or Islam for terrorism inspire by Wahabi Islam, which currently appears to be the dominate religious ideology among the Sunnis. Obama’s Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, then threatened legal action against anyone who publicly disagreed with the government’s official narrative.

    2. What liberals miss is that gun control does NOT keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists. The prime example is the EU, which has strict gun control laws:

    * Eastern European criminals robbing banks while carrying military assault rifles;

    * Terrorists rampaging through Paris carrying military assault rifles;

    * The French police sweeping up military-grade weapons throughout France in the search for terrorists; and,

    * The discovery (or rather public exposure) of Belgium as a locus for “gun running” throughout Europe with Turky as the primary source of supply.

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  96. unit472 says:
    @anon
    The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.

    Why does everyone always forget that the guy who still has the record for most people killed in a shooting, Sueng-Hui Cho, managed to rack them all up with two little pistols?

    I know, I know. To ask that question is to answer it. But even people who are aguing against the Narrative still always forget to point it out when they should.

    Some 20 years or so ago an immigrant madman went ‘postal’ in a law firm located in an office tower in downtown San Francisco. He had one of those ferocious looking Tec 9s with a high capacity magazine and a Norinco knockoff of a 1911 Colt auto. Sadly, he did manage to kill 8 people but he was himself killed by a very brave police officer who made his way up to the 34 th floor and shot the lunatic to death as he struggled with his jammed weapons.

    Of course the Californa legislature took all the wrong lessons from this incident and passed laws banning ‘assault rifles’ , high capacity magazines and certain types of ammo. Besides the obvious problem of the man being a mentally unstable immigrant ( born in Somalia) who was allowed to come to the US the fact that he was using cheap handguns with aftermarket magazines was ignored. This was hardly the first time Norinco and other cheap imported firearms have been used in street crimes and incidents of mass murder ( nor the only time they jammed)

    Like repealing HIPAA laws, liberal lawmakers could avoid a lot of opposition from gun rights advocates if they would follow their normal instincts and ban cheap imported firearms. Most deranged killers are low income losers. The cannot afford to buy high end firearms and there is nothing to stop liberal legislatures from imposing high taxes on firearm sales. AK’s are popular because they are cheap not because they are quality rifles as are many ‘Saturday Night Specials’ favored by street criminals.

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  97. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I was surprised that the president is choosing to make an address from the Oval Office about San Bernardino. I expect him to make a major push for gun control.

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  98. @TangoMan
    Let's contextualize that cover by looking back on Steve's 2004 essay on the Baby Gap:

    The endless gun-control brouhaha, which on the surface appears to be a bitter battle between liberal and conservative whites, also features a cryptic racial angle. What blue-region white liberals actually want is for the government to disarm the dangerous urban minorities that threaten their children’s safety. Red-region white conservatives, insulated by distance from the Crips and the Bloods, don’t care that white liberals’ kids are in peril. Besides, in sparsely populated Republican areas, where police response times are slow and the chances of drilling an innocent bystander are slim, guns make more sense for self-defense than in the cities and suburbs.

    White liberals, angered by white conservatives’ lack of racial solidarity with them, yet bereft of any vocabulary for expressing such a verboten concept, pretend that they need gun control to protect them from gun-crazy rural rednecks, such as the ones Michael Moore demonized in “Bowling for Columbine,” thus further enraging red-region Republicans.
     
    Mr. & Mrs. Middle Class grocery shoppers picking up some extra firepower from the Gun Aisle at the local supermarket are not really a problem in America but as Steve points out, liberals don't have the vocabulary to express what is really concerning them.

    Look at these homicide by firearm stats from the Centers for Disease Control restricted to men between the ages of 15 and 39.

    http://i.imgur.com/IpMHDev.jpg

    I would guess that the numbers are even worse than that chart makes out. How many of those “whites” are actually Aztecs from Mexico or MS-13 members from El Salvador? The chart uses the term “Non Hispanic Males”, did they really leave out a group as large or maybe even larger than the black males?

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  99. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Wow, I can’t believe The New Yorker would publish something so blatantly offensive to Latino Americans…

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  100. @unit472
    It is worth noting that, in recent years, the biggest problem in keeping firearms out of the hands of madmen is not loose gun laws but HIPAA, the medical records secrecy laws. Deranged gunmen like the killers at Virginia Tech, Aurora, Co., the Washington Navy Yard, the Tucson gunman and the college student who shot up a classroom in Oregon all had one thing in common. They had seen mental health professionals shortly before they went on their rampages but that fact was concealed from the data base used to conduct a firearms background check.

    Why liberals refuse to see that concealing mental illness from such a data base is the most glaring loophole in our gun laws is perplexing. No one is talking about making psychiatric records public just alerting gun dealers that a person cannot be sold a firearm without some sort of hearing to evaluate their present mental condition.

    “….the biggest problem in keeping firearms out of the hands of madmen is not loose gun laws but HIPAA,….but that fact was concealed from the data base used to conduct a firearms background check.”

    The “mental health loophole” is just as much of a smoke screen as the “terrorist watch list loophole” ATF Form 4473 does not ask if a person has “seen a mental health professional”. It asks if a person ” has been adjudicated as mentally defective” or “committed to a mental institution.” Both are legal processes that remove a person, even if for a short time, from the general population. HIPAA doesn’t conceal a judge’s signature on paperwork sending a person to the loony bin.

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  101. @anonymous
    "So, honey, after we stock up here, should we pick up some old flamethrowers or some of those cool Russian infantry fuel-air explosive rocket launchers next?"

    In many states flame throwers are perfectly legal and used in farming for brush removal.

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  102. I think the artist (using the term loosely) wasn’t drawing the Farooks, just a generic murderous couple. A spherical couple in a vacuum, so to speak

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    it's still obscurantism either way, of course
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  103. @andy russia
    I think the artist (using the term loosely) wasn't drawing the Farooks, just a generic murderous couple. A spherical couple in a vacuum, so to speak

    it’s still obscurantism either way, of course

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  104. Clyde says:
    @Twinkie

    Dylan Roof being the only exception
     
    Dylan Roof is not the only exception.

    BTW I meant to put down Asian mass killings in the US as rare, same as Hispanic which I did list as rare. Besides Dylan Roof who? The death toll must have been low.

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    Twinkie may have been thinking about this, and the death toll was not low:

    San Ysidro Massacre

    Or perhaps the Stockton schoolyard shooting in 1989, where a white guy murdered five southeast asian kids.
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  105. bomag says:
    @Elites
    Cool!!! We're the enemy!

    Not only are we NOW the enemy, it has been discovered that we always were the enemy, and we always will be the enemy, and we will have to be reminded of this for the rest of time.

    “The price of modern liberty is eternal hating of the proper group.”

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  106. Anon7 says:

    In a way, it’s really a pretty great cover, because it does its job of communicating their viewpoint without words. What they’re saying is:

    “Muslim immigrants commit jihadist mass murder with guns in America. Who is to blame? White Americans, who are free to buy guns. Let’s stop those white Americans from buying guns.”

    It sounds nonsensical because it is nonsense.

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  107. Spmoore8 says:
    @Twinkie

    The thing on the bottom is supposed to be a Magpul angled foregrip, a do-hickey that attaches under the front handguard to aid in looking cool.
     
    It's not for "looking cool." For some people, it is actually quite ergonomic and aids in muzzle rise/recoil control.

    I don't personally care for them (all my AR-15-type rifles have traditional fore grips because that's what *I* find comfortable), but for others they work.

    I'm the last person to advocate for adding weight to rifles and carbines, but even a traditionalist as I am appreciates the speed of red dot sights and the ergonomics of fore grips.

    Don’t these weapons still have slings? That would be integral for instinctive orientation and in particular aimed shots. The Magpul device looks like something you’d catch your hand on.

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    The short answer is yes. In fact, there's a whole industry devoted to slings of various designs.

    I was being facetious about the Magpul angled foregrip, but there's an enormous amount of hucksterism involved with firearms accessories and training. AR-15s are sometimes called "Barbie dolls for guys" because of all the stuff you can hang off of them. Because the market has enormous scale and has become a commodity business manufacturers constantly try to create niches by marketing unique products, whether they're effective or not.

    Some people use the Magpul foregrip to get a consistent index for the position of their hand. Personally I like light and simple and slick, so it doesn't get hung up on stuff.

    My standard AR-15 has

    * A red dot sight. Aimpoint. Simple, rugged, and you can leave it turned on for years without changing the batteries. Red dots are significantly faster than iron sights, and my eyes aren't what they used to be.

    * Fixed front sight and a flip-up rear, co-witnessed with the red dot, on the off chance that the red dot goes down.

    * A simple and small light attached to the fore end.

    * Collapsible stock.

    * An aftermarket trigger with a cleaner break than the standard trigger.

    * A two point sling.

    It's a fine weapon for home defense, and you can hit stuff out to a few hundred yards if you get the urge.
    , @Twinkie

    Don’t these weapons still have slings? That would be integral for instinctive orientation and in particular aimed shots. The Magpul device looks like something you’d catch your hand on.
     
    Slings are for 1) carrying the rifle, 2) weapon retention, and 3) faster transition to handguns should that be necessary (you can "drop" the rifle and it will just hang on your body while you switch to your side arm).

    Depending on the setup, putting pressure on the sling can introduce changes to the point of impact. And they can also snag. A lot.

    Guns are much, much more ergonomic than they were in the past. I learned to shoot with an M1 Garand and M1 Carbine since I was a boy. They were great guns for their time, but there wasn't much adaptation to varying human bodies. Your body adapted to them, which is less than ideal.

    I absolutely abhor adding a lot of useless junk to a rifle. When you are humping 80-120 pounds on a frozen mountain for days, every ounce of weight matters. But I have found that certain items add value and are worth the exchange. Collapsing stocks are good for fitting different lengths of pull, for example when you wear body armor (folding stocks are useless and introduce a weak point, unless you deploy from inside vehicles a lot). They are also often lighter than traditional wood stocks. But they are more fragile for "buttstroking," which is not something that happens a lot in combat nowadays.

    Red dot sights increase speed of accurate shooting. They are a great improvement well worth their weight and then some. And the latest models such as the Aimpoint T-series are quite light. To clarify, they don't increase accuracy, but increase the speed of shooting relatively accurately since your eyes are only focusing on one plane (whereas traditional iron sights require to focus on the front sight while "sort of" focusing on the target and the rear sight too - three planes, a biological impossibility).

    I like a fore grip on my rifles (Magpul RVG in particular) because it is very ergonomic, increases weapon/recoil control, reduces strain and "shakes" in prolonged shooting, and improves weak-sided weapon retention under some scenarios.

    Finally, flash lights are a useful addition especially if you don't have access to night/thermal sights.
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  108. @iSteveFan

    How many mass shooting terrorist attacks has the executive vice president of the NRA Wayne LaPierre committed?
     
    How many criminal aliens has LaPierre allowed into our country? How many illegal aliens who have been caught driving drunk, only to be released and later killed someone, did LaPierre let in? How many Saudi tourists who wanted to learn how to steer a plane, but not land one, did LaPierre let in?

    I once knew a man who constantly railed against the NRA and blamed them for street crime. I asked him: “Name one case of a NRA member robbing a convenience store or any other armed robbery.”

    He was speechless.

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  109. Hunsdon says:

    We have become a fundamentally unserious people.

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  110. IHTG says:
    @Anonymous
    He is a movie buff though.

    Not for that definition of “buff”.

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  111. gwood says:

    As I’ve always said, Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.

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  112. I would gladly trade gun control for Muslim control. And be glad to have all the guns confiscated the day after all the Muslims get deported.

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  113. res says:
    @Harold
    How does an artistic incompetent get his art on the cover of the New Yorker?

    How does an artistic incompetent get his art on the cover of the New Yorker?

    That’s a big part of the incentive to follow the narrative. You can be incompetent and get work published in “top tier” publications. Works for both text and art apparently.

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  114. res says:
    @Romanian
    Can you post a link to it please? I'm always happy to expand my horizons.

    Direct link to the overview. Can download the PDF (1 page article).

    https://www.unz.org/Pub/Reason-1980oct-00037?View=Overview

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  115. Svigor says:

    I think that at the emotional level the attack on gun ownership is an attack against these people’s ethnic pride. And there’s not much more than emotion in this.

    As urban crime fell and cities gentrified over the last 25 years, the anti-gun fervor did not decrease.

    Liberals don’t waste much time examining their own fondness for rewarding their friends and punishing their enemies. Punishing their enemies is what “gun control” is about.

    mark levin, on his show, was questioning the term “semi automatic”, this week, for weapons such as the the civilian ar-15. i think a machine gun is “fully automatic”: pull trigger fire all you want.

    They call it “select fire” now. And an awful lot of military-issue “select fire” weapons aren’t really even “fully automatic” any more, but fire in bursts. IIRC, the M4 fires 3-round bursts when set on “auto” or whatever you call it.

    there is an army variant to the ar – 15 whereby pulling the trigger gives you a 3 round blast ie ” semi automatic”.

    No, that is the “automatic” setting, as I understand it.

    the civilian ar-15 necessitates the pulling of the trigger to load a round.

    No, a semiauto weapon chambers a round for you automatically each time it’s fired. If you load a mag into an unloaded SA weapon, you have to get it to chamber the first round (in an AR, you cycle the charging handle or drop the bolt release, typically found on the left side). After that, each time you fire the weapon, the action chambers another round afterward. I’m probably mangling the official language all to hell, but that’s the gist.

    The rest of traditional America has a lot to learn from the gun rights folks.

    I’ve heard this many times, but I don’t really buy it. The 2nd Amendment folks are winning because that’s where the money is. There’s lots of money to be made selling guns, and none to be made banning them. If the profit side was for closing the borders, they’d be closed. We’re fighting against the current on immigration.

    Jewish porn-boy tries to shame white women for not fudging black guys. Said white women shut him up by claiming he raped them. End of story.

    Easiest way to shut him up is to tell him to go tell it to the Jewish gals in porn.

    I am sure Martin O’Malley would say the reason Baltimore has such a high homicide rate is because it has an NRA problem, not because it has a Black male problem.

    Leftists are free to enact strict “gun control” laws – plus (race blind) stop & frisk laws to make them effective – in jurisdictions they control. They don’t because this is not how you reward your friends and punish your enemies.

    The thing on the bottom is supposed to be a Magpul angled foregrip, a do-hickey that attaches under the front handguard to aid in looking cool.

    The angled foregrip has other advantages, one being that it’s legally not a foregrip, according to the ATF or somebody (that’s what I read, anyway).

    Why does everyone always forget that the guy who still has the record for most people killed in a shooting, Sueng-Hui Cho, managed to rack them all up with two little pistols?

    I know, I know. To ask that question is to answer it. But even people who are aguing against the Narrative still always forget to point it out when they should.

    Yeah but handguns are the weapon of choice for two key Democrat constituencies: urban whites and urban blacks. You don’t get anywhere politically by punishing your friends.

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  116. Svigor says:

    Wikipedia says:

    M4 carbine

    The M4 is capable of firing in semi-automatic and three-round burst (like the M16A2 and M16A4), while the M4A1 is capable of firing in semi-auto and full automatic (like the M16A1 and M16A3).

    The ideal way to handle rate of fire for military use is actually a matter of some debate. Some people advocate semi-auto for military combat rifles, though I suppose they’re outnumbered by people who favor burst-fire or full-auto capability.

    I would gladly trade gun control for Muslim control. And be glad to have all the guns confiscated the day after all the Muslims get deported.

    Or, as the Jews say, “loan me the money now, and I’ll pay you back when the Messiah comes.”

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  117. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @IHTG
    Not for that definition of "buff".

    LOL! That’s a good one.

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  118. Svigor says:

    Oh, and the reason militaries “throttle” ROF in this way is down to the impact of recoil on accuracy. Three-round bursts are thought to be a “sweet spot” beyond which recoil has an excessive impact on accuracy. There used to be a video on the webz of a young girl shooting a FA rifle for the first time, losing control of the weapon, and killing her instructor. Movies give a really bad impression of how much muzzle rise there is with a FA weapon because they aren’t using real ammo. It’s much harder to control the recoil IRL, from what I understand, and much harder to maintain accuracy.

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  119. SFG says:
    @Joel
    In a bizarre inversion of the Jew caricatures of previous decades, we now get blood libel aimed at white protestants. What foul people must create this sort of thing.

    Dude on the right looks vaguely ethnic. I doubt that was their intention.

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  120. epebble says:
    @anon
    The terrorists could have done an equal amount of damage with an M-14 or even an M-1.

    Why does everyone always forget that the guy who still has the record for most people killed in a shooting, Sueng-Hui Cho, managed to rack them all up with two little pistols?

    I know, I know. To ask that question is to answer it. But even people who are aguing against the Narrative still always forget to point it out when they should.

    Even if were to have a Japan style total removal of guns, they could have easily committed Jihad any number of ways. The typical PLO style suicide bombing could have easily had hundreds of casualties, for example, in a Walmart on Black Friday. Another angle nobody seems to have looked at is Mr. Jihad was a health inspector. He could have easily slipped some E. Coli or Salmonella (or much worse) into restaurants. Nobody seems to have noticed that employing observant Muslims to deal with non-Halal food is asking for trouble. Opportunity for Jihad is too tempting as they will be doing Allah’s work by eliminating Haram (non-Halal) eaters.

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  122. I’m with Steve from the first no. “I don’t know, and I don’t want to know…”

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  123. Boomstick says:
    @Spmoore8
    Don't these weapons still have slings? That would be integral for instinctive orientation and in particular aimed shots. The Magpul device looks like something you'd catch your hand on.

    The short answer is yes. In fact, there’s a whole industry devoted to slings of various designs.

    I was being facetious about the Magpul angled foregrip, but there’s an enormous amount of hucksterism involved with firearms accessories and training. AR-15s are sometimes called “Barbie dolls for guys” because of all the stuff you can hang off of them. Because the market has enormous scale and has become a commodity business manufacturers constantly try to create niches by marketing unique products, whether they’re effective or not.

    Some people use the Magpul foregrip to get a consistent index for the position of their hand. Personally I like light and simple and slick, so it doesn’t get hung up on stuff.

    My standard AR-15 has

    * A red dot sight. Aimpoint. Simple, rugged, and you can leave it turned on for years without changing the batteries. Red dots are significantly faster than iron sights, and my eyes aren’t what they used to be.

    * Fixed front sight and a flip-up rear, co-witnessed with the red dot, on the off chance that the red dot goes down.

    * A simple and small light attached to the fore end.

    * Collapsible stock.

    * An aftermarket trigger with a cleaner break than the standard trigger.

    * A two point sling.

    It’s a fine weapon for home defense, and you can hit stuff out to a few hundred yards if you get the urge.

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    Thanks for the expert response. I used the M-14 first (to me, a superior weapon) but then we were switched over to M-16's (this was, needless to say, decades ago.) Back then, using the preferably nylon sling was very important for stability and aim. Since I was raised on iron sights I always preferred them, but a scope or a red dot sight sounds like a fun improvement. I actually fired to a higher score with an M-16 but I preferred the extra weight and stability of a more traditional rifle.
    , @Twinkie

    but there’s an enormous amount of hucksterism involved with firearms accessories and training
     
    Yes, indeed. Firearm accessories and training are like vitamin sales or dietary fads. Billions spent with questionable outcome.
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  124. Veracitor says:
    @SPMoore8
    I think the ineptness of the drawing is part artistic license (I have a copy of a painting by Frank Frazetta that has sailing ship boom suspended in mid-air) and part ignorance, which is significant in its own way. For example, as you note, the handguns are crudely drawn and levitating, so are the WW2 era grenades suspended in the front basket, the rest of the stuff in the basket is absurd, and the rifle she is awkwardly holding up by the handgrip is an amazing design with iron sites on both the top and bottom of the barrel. Other errors, too, but, whatever.

    I’m pretty sure the triangular thing “opposite” the front sight post assy is supposed to be a Magpul angled forward handgrip. However, the artist is still a fool as well as a poor (or excessively medicated) painter.

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  125. @Twinkie

    Dylan Roof being the only exception
     
    Dylan Roof is not the only exception.

    Other than Roof and the guy who shot up the Sikh temple, which other mass killers of the past 50 years were whites who targeted blacks. I guess an argument could be made for Jeffery Dahmer, but he was a serial killer not a rampage/spree/mass killer.

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  126. Svigor says:

    * A red dot sight. Aimpoint. Simple, rugged, and you can leave it turned on for years without changing the batteries. Red dots are significantly faster than iron sights, and my eyes aren’t what they used to be.

    Has anyone ever done real side-by-side tests comparing the expensive stuff from Aimpoint, Eotech, etc., with the cheap stuff like my Bushnell TRS1? We’re talking $80 vs $600 here, but the impression that I get is that the real difference is not so much performance as ruggedness and battery life. I’m willing to keep up with battery changes if I can save $500 (you can almost buy another AR for that), and I don’t plan on submerging my optic or taking it to the ‘Stan.

    I’m with you on “light and simple.” Less spent on stuff hanging off means more to spend on ammo or another gun.

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    I haven't tried them, but lots of people like the Primary Arms red dots. The mini has a battery life of 50,000 hours, and the regular 30mm version is good for 500 hours. $170 and $70 respectively, vs about $400 for an Aimpoint.
    , @Twinkie

    We’re talking $80 vs $600 here, but the impression that I get is that the real difference is not so much performance as ruggedness and battery life.
     
    Actually battery life of the cheap knockoffs has caught up with the real thing. But quality control, reliability, and ruggedness have not.

    Aimpoints are built like tanks. They don't break or lose the zero easily under rough field conditions. The cheap knockoffs are fine for punching holes in the paper (which is what the vast majority of civilian gun owners do anyway). But if you intend to use that red dot for a serious SHTF scenario, stick to proven milspec equipment such as Aimpoint (I've never been a big fan of EOTech, and it was recently ordered to repay SOCOM for defects, mainly losing zero in extreme heat, I think).
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  127. Mr. Anon says:

    “And somehow, despite the growing demand for restrictions and background checks, the sales go on and, with them, the daily shootings.”

    Why isn’t that sentence written this way:

    “And somehow, despite the growing sales of guns, the demand for restrictions and background checks go on?”

    Why do they “privelege” the views of totalitarian, un-american people who want to restrict gun ownership over the views of Americans lawfully engaged in the exercise of thier God-given, Constitutionally protected rights?

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  128. SPMoore8 says:
    @Boomstick
    The short answer is yes. In fact, there's a whole industry devoted to slings of various designs.

    I was being facetious about the Magpul angled foregrip, but there's an enormous amount of hucksterism involved with firearms accessories and training. AR-15s are sometimes called "Barbie dolls for guys" because of all the stuff you can hang off of them. Because the market has enormous scale and has become a commodity business manufacturers constantly try to create niches by marketing unique products, whether they're effective or not.

    Some people use the Magpul foregrip to get a consistent index for the position of their hand. Personally I like light and simple and slick, so it doesn't get hung up on stuff.

    My standard AR-15 has

    * A red dot sight. Aimpoint. Simple, rugged, and you can leave it turned on for years without changing the batteries. Red dots are significantly faster than iron sights, and my eyes aren't what they used to be.

    * Fixed front sight and a flip-up rear, co-witnessed with the red dot, on the off chance that the red dot goes down.

    * A simple and small light attached to the fore end.

    * Collapsible stock.

    * An aftermarket trigger with a cleaner break than the standard trigger.

    * A two point sling.

    It's a fine weapon for home defense, and you can hit stuff out to a few hundred yards if you get the urge.

    Thanks for the expert response. I used the M-14 first (to me, a superior weapon) but then we were switched over to M-16′s (this was, needless to say, decades ago.) Back then, using the preferably nylon sling was very important for stability and aim. Since I was raised on iron sights I always preferred them, but a scope or a red dot sight sounds like a fun improvement. I actually fired to a higher score with an M-16 but I preferred the extra weight and stability of a more traditional rifle.

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    I used the M-14 first (to me, a superior weapon) but then we were switched over to M-16′s
     
    The Marine Corps brought back the M14 as a DMR - designated marksman rifle to increase the extended range firepower of rifle units.

    The modern AR-15-type weapons bring many fine things to the table. They are light, are of high capacity, and are easy to shoot accurately and fast. The ammo is also considerably lighter, allowing infantrymen to carry more rounds. And the traditional 55 grain ammo delivers pretty good ballistic performance at short to medium ranges against flesh (yawing/tumbling and all when inside human body) while the 62 grain steel penetrator punches through things well enough.

    But, there is no free lunch in life, and the AR-15-type weapons have some downsides. First of all, there is the limitation to the cartridge. The 5.56mm bullet is light and easily subject to environmental conditions (wind, brush, etc.) especially at medium to long ranges. It also loses terminal effectiveness at such ranges. Second, there is some minor design issue with the direct impingement system. Although the unreliability of the M16 is vastly overstated and is an artifact of the issues related to the dirty-burning ammo during its initial rollout in Vietnam, the M16 does run relatively dirty and requires good cleaning, lubrication (specifically the bolt carrier group) and maintenance regime. And that goes double if you run suppressors.
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  129. Mr. Anon says:

    Liberals may as well give up on gun-control, at least until the demographics make it more likely. If Sandyhook didn’t convince people to ban semi-automatic rifles and confiscate weapons, then the events in San Bernadino certainly won’t. From the point of view of 2nd amendment defenders, Sandyhook was as bad as it can get. And all it did was to put more guns in circulation.

    I’m kinda glad that the anti-gun people don’t give it a rest though; it reminds gun owners that they need to be vigilant. And the demographic issue is the important one. Recently, gun restrictionists have been writing that, with increasing immigration, it is only a matter of time. And they may be right. Gun owners and their advocacy groups need to start seriously opposing immigration.

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  130. Mr. Anon says:
    @Clyde
    BTW I meant to put down Asian mass killings in the US as rare, same as Hispanic which I did list as rare. Besides Dylan Roof who? The death toll must have been low.

    Twinkie may have been thinking about this, and the death toll was not low:

    San Ysidro Massacre

    Or perhaps the Stockton schoolyard shooting in 1989, where a white guy murdered five southeast asian kids.

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    That white gunman killed 21 and almost all were Mexican American. It was probably a race motivated attack. But on the other hand his family was living in a poor neighborhood and this was the closest McDonald's. 200 yards away so ....
    , @Charlesz Martel
    An interesting and long-forgotten fact about the Stockton shooter, Patrick Purdy, if memory serves, is that the word "Hezbollah" (I believe misspelled) was carved into the stock of his AK-47. Our current battle over "assault rifles" started with him.
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  131. Olorin says:
    @anonymous
    "So, honey, after we stock up here, should we pick up some old flamethrowers or some of those cool Russian infantry fuel-air explosive rocket launchers next?"
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  132. Pontius says:
    @Svigor

    "What would it look like if I took America's obsession with firearms to its logical extreme?"
     
    Like if, say, all those Christmas-party-goers in San Bernardino had been packing heat, and filled the Maliks' noggins with a diverse array of 9mm, 10mm, .38, .45, .357, etc? That kind of logical extreme?

    That’s the kind of diversity I could get behind.

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  133. Pontius says:

    This Pakistani couple was obviously primed for action due to the obvious systemic and racist demographic replacement of the native Pakistani people with white infiltrators, resulting in their incongruously Caucasian appearance, which no doubt acted as a double whammy reminding them of their impotence in the face of a foreign cultural invasion, along with an ironically horrifying recognition of their unearned white privilege. They really were the victims in all of this, it’s right in front of your face!

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  134. Weapons of assault have been used historically and in the present and will be used in the future to continue the oppression of bodies of color, I think that is the gist of the magazine cover and Ta-Nehisi Coates’ genius.

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  135. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
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  136. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Anonymous
    He is a movie buff though.

    Not of movies in the buff.

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  137. @Joel
    In a bizarre inversion of the Jew caricatures of previous decades, we now get blood libel aimed at white protestants. What foul people must create this sort of thing.

    “What foul people must create this sort of thing.”

    Samuel Irving Newhouse Jr. is the owner of The New Yorker.

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  138. @SPMoore8
    I forgot this kicker to the editorial:


    Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.
     
    I said earlier that it is in our national defense interests that ordinary American citizens have some familiarity with the type of weapon our armed services use. Therefore I argue that some kind of arm similar to standard issue (i.e., M-16, M-4) should be widely available for future national defense, and the AR-15 fits that bill. It could be reasonably restricted with smaller capacity magazines or even with modified rounds, I suppose. But not the weapon itself.

    But the editorial expects that Americans who have such weapons will just turn them in if such a law is passed. In the first place, that will not happen. In the second place, who will enforce that law, and with what will they be armed?

    I believe that two of the shooters at the concert in Paris used shotguns. You can do a lot of damage with a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with Double O buck shot.

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    I believe that two of the shooters at the concert in Paris used shotguns. You can do a lot of damage with a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with Double O buck shot.
     
    Shotguns can deliver an incredible amount of stopping power, especially with buck shots and slugs. So they excel as home defense (and trench fighting) weapons. But they have some significant downsides in combat/mass murder. They are heavy, are of low capacity, are slow to reload, recoil heavily, and have a very limited range (handgun range, typically, unless using slugs).

    Shotguns used to be ubiquitous as the main "go-to" police weapon once the fight escalated beyond handguns, but have been replaced in large numbers by AR-15-type rifles/carbines in police work.
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  139. @Twinkie

    Dylan Roof being the only exception
     
    Dylan Roof is not the only exception.

    Yes, I think he is.

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  140. scrivener3 says: • Website
    @unit472
    It is worth noting that, in recent years, the biggest problem in keeping firearms out of the hands of madmen is not loose gun laws but HIPAA, the medical records secrecy laws. Deranged gunmen like the killers at Virginia Tech, Aurora, Co., the Washington Navy Yard, the Tucson gunman and the college student who shot up a classroom in Oregon all had one thing in common. They had seen mental health professionals shortly before they went on their rampages but that fact was concealed from the data base used to conduct a firearms background check.

    Why liberals refuse to see that concealing mental illness from such a data base is the most glaring loophole in our gun laws is perplexing. No one is talking about making psychiatric records public just alerting gun dealers that a person cannot be sold a firearm without some sort of hearing to evaluate their present mental condition.

    I believe you overestimate the predictive ability of mental health professionals. If anyone who was giving care to a recent deranged gunmen had a belief that their patient would kill people they would be allowed to notify authorities. What sort of hearing would you propose for someone who sought mental health services (or took an anti-depressant, or took an ADHD drug)?

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  141. I know a young man here in Jacksonville, Florida, who will be in his late 20′s. He used to be in the army, but now he unloads trucks for Walmart, or did until he injured his neck and was assigned to light duties. He told me last week that he felt safer when he was in the army in Iraq than he does here. I asked him why. He said that it was safer in Iraq, because everyone there was armed.

    Jacksonville has a reputation as a high crime city, but in the two years I have been in Jacksonville, I have never seen a violent incident, and have never seen a gun, except in the holster of a cop.

    I am not sure if he is nuts, and I can’t follow his logic, but I don’t doubt his sincerity, and I suspect there are a lot of people like him, who, even if they don’t have a gun, still think they would be safer if they did.

    I played with toy guns as a child, but I have no desire to have one now, even though I go into low income areas in Jacksonville every day to see patients. I don’t think having one would make me safer, or not to any statistically measurable extent.

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  142. @Romanian
    Can you post a link to it please? I'm always happy to expand my horizons.
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  144. Svigor says:

    Trump channeling Steve again:

    Trump accuses media of ‘glamorizing’ terrorists

    Donald Trump says the media glamorizes terrorists, including those from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

    “I think the press is making it – they’re glamorizing these people,” Trump said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday. “These people are animals.”

    “I see the word ‘mastermind,’ ‘the mastermind.’ I call him the guy with the dirty hat, the guy with the filthy, dirty hat,” Trump said. “They called him a mastermind, and the kids are watching the mastermind and they say, ‘Oh, I want to be a mastermind.’ ”

    “These people are not masterminds. They’re not even smart people. I bet you they have very low IQs, they’re not smart people,” he added.

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  145. Harold says:
    @G Pinfold

    Muslim couple made a whole lot of pipe bombs. What do we do now? Ban pipe?
     
    No Grasshopper. But the answer is contained within your question.

    Ban couples just because one couple made pipe bombs? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

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  146. Clyde says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Twinkie may have been thinking about this, and the death toll was not low:

    San Ysidro Massacre

    Or perhaps the Stockton schoolyard shooting in 1989, where a white guy murdered five southeast asian kids.

    That white gunman killed 21 and almost all were Mexican American. It was probably a race motivated attack. But on the other hand his family was living in a poor neighborhood and this was the closest McDonald’s. 200 yards away so ….

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  147. Twinkie says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    I believe that two of the shooters at the concert in Paris used shotguns. You can do a lot of damage with a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with Double O buck shot.

    I believe that two of the shooters at the concert in Paris used shotguns. You can do a lot of damage with a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with Double O buck shot.

    Shotguns can deliver an incredible amount of stopping power, especially with buck shots and slugs. So they excel as home defense (and trench fighting) weapons. But they have some significant downsides in combat/mass murder. They are heavy, are of low capacity, are slow to reload, recoil heavily, and have a very limited range (handgun range, typically, unless using slugs).

    Shotguns used to be ubiquitous as the main “go-to” police weapon once the fight escalated beyond handguns, but have been replaced in large numbers by AR-15-type rifles/carbines in police work.

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  148. @Mr. Anon
    Twinkie may have been thinking about this, and the death toll was not low:

    San Ysidro Massacre

    Or perhaps the Stockton schoolyard shooting in 1989, where a white guy murdered five southeast asian kids.

    An interesting and long-forgotten fact about the Stockton shooter, Patrick Purdy, if memory serves, is that the word “Hezbollah” (I believe misspelled) was carved into the stock of his AK-47. Our current battle over “assault rifles” started with him.

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  149. Twinkie says:
    @Spmoore8
    Don't these weapons still have slings? That would be integral for instinctive orientation and in particular aimed shots. The Magpul device looks like something you'd catch your hand on.

    Don’t these weapons still have slings? That would be integral for instinctive orientation and in particular aimed shots. The Magpul device looks like something you’d catch your hand on.

    Slings are for 1) carrying the rifle, 2) weapon retention, and 3) faster transition to handguns should that be necessary (you can “drop” the rifle and it will just hang on your body while you switch to your side arm).

    Depending on the setup, putting pressure on the sling can introduce changes to the point of impact. And they can also snag. A lot.

    Guns are much, much more ergonomic than they were in the past. I learned to shoot with an M1 Garand and M1 Carbine since I was a boy. They were great guns for their time, but there wasn’t much adaptation to varying human bodies. Your body adapted to them, which is less than ideal.

    I absolutely abhor adding a lot of useless junk to a rifle. When you are humping 80-120 pounds on a frozen mountain for days, every ounce of weight matters. But I have found that certain items add value and are worth the exchange. Collapsing stocks are good for fitting different lengths of pull, for example when you wear body armor (folding stocks are useless and introduce a weak point, unless you deploy from inside vehicles a lot). They are also often lighter than traditional wood stocks. But they are more fragile for “buttstroking,” which is not something that happens a lot in combat nowadays.

    Red dot sights increase speed of accurate shooting. They are a great improvement well worth their weight and then some. And the latest models such as the Aimpoint T-series are quite light. To clarify, they don’t increase accuracy, but increase the speed of shooting relatively accurately since your eyes are only focusing on one plane (whereas traditional iron sights require to focus on the front sight while “sort of” focusing on the target and the rear sight too – three planes, a biological impossibility).

    I like a fore grip on my rifles (Magpul RVG in particular) because it is very ergonomic, increases weapon/recoil control, reduces strain and “shakes” in prolonged shooting, and improves weak-sided weapon retention under some scenarios.

    Finally, flash lights are a useful addition especially if you don’t have access to night/thermal sights.

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  150. Twinkie says:
    @Boomstick
    The short answer is yes. In fact, there's a whole industry devoted to slings of various designs.

    I was being facetious about the Magpul angled foregrip, but there's an enormous amount of hucksterism involved with firearms accessories and training. AR-15s are sometimes called "Barbie dolls for guys" because of all the stuff you can hang off of them. Because the market has enormous scale and has become a commodity business manufacturers constantly try to create niches by marketing unique products, whether they're effective or not.

    Some people use the Magpul foregrip to get a consistent index for the position of their hand. Personally I like light and simple and slick, so it doesn't get hung up on stuff.

    My standard AR-15 has

    * A red dot sight. Aimpoint. Simple, rugged, and you can leave it turned on for years without changing the batteries. Red dots are significantly faster than iron sights, and my eyes aren't what they used to be.

    * Fixed front sight and a flip-up rear, co-witnessed with the red dot, on the off chance that the red dot goes down.

    * A simple and small light attached to the fore end.

    * Collapsible stock.

    * An aftermarket trigger with a cleaner break than the standard trigger.

    * A two point sling.

    It's a fine weapon for home defense, and you can hit stuff out to a few hundred yards if you get the urge.

    but there’s an enormous amount of hucksterism involved with firearms accessories and training

    Yes, indeed. Firearm accessories and training are like vitamin sales or dietary fads. Billions spent with questionable outcome.

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  151. Twinkie says:
    @SPMoore8
    Thanks for the expert response. I used the M-14 first (to me, a superior weapon) but then we were switched over to M-16's (this was, needless to say, decades ago.) Back then, using the preferably nylon sling was very important for stability and aim. Since I was raised on iron sights I always preferred them, but a scope or a red dot sight sounds like a fun improvement. I actually fired to a higher score with an M-16 but I preferred the extra weight and stability of a more traditional rifle.

    I used the M-14 first (to me, a superior weapon) but then we were switched over to M-16′s

    The Marine Corps brought back the M14 as a DMR – designated marksman rifle to increase the extended range firepower of rifle units.

    The modern AR-15-type weapons bring many fine things to the table. They are light, are of high capacity, and are easy to shoot accurately and fast. The ammo is also considerably lighter, allowing infantrymen to carry more rounds. And the traditional 55 grain ammo delivers pretty good ballistic performance at short to medium ranges against flesh (yawing/tumbling and all when inside human body) while the 62 grain steel penetrator punches through things well enough.

    But, there is no free lunch in life, and the AR-15-type weapons have some downsides. First of all, there is the limitation to the cartridge. The 5.56mm bullet is light and easily subject to environmental conditions (wind, brush, etc.) especially at medium to long ranges. It also loses terminal effectiveness at such ranges. Second, there is some minor design issue with the direct impingement system. Although the unreliability of the M16 is vastly overstated and is an artifact of the issues related to the dirty-burning ammo during its initial rollout in Vietnam, the M16 does run relatively dirty and requires good cleaning, lubrication (specifically the bolt carrier group) and maintenance regime. And that goes double if you run suppressors.

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  152. EdwardM says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    White folks stocking up at Walmart for the day in the very near future when The One declares martial law and cancels next year’s election.

     

    The Walmart in my city doesn't sell guns because it's in a diverse area and the city council asked them not to.

    It's my understanding (from gun controllers themselves) that federal law allows gun dealers to turn down any customer for any reason and are not required to make that reason explicit.

    Is this true? If so, a dealer could impose a blanket ban an sales to nonwhites and get away with it.

    Do Walmart and other dealers do this in the South? Or do they take money from anybody?

    “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone” used to be part of American culture, back when we respected property rights and freedom of association.

    Now, we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, as long as anyone is a white male, and not a veteran, or disabled, or a Muslim or Jew, or, in some jurisdictions, a homosexual or tranny.

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  153. Boomstick says:
    @Svigor

    * A red dot sight. Aimpoint. Simple, rugged, and you can leave it turned on for years without changing the batteries. Red dots are significantly faster than iron sights, and my eyes aren’t what they used to be.
     
    Has anyone ever done real side-by-side tests comparing the expensive stuff from Aimpoint, Eotech, etc., with the cheap stuff like my Bushnell TRS1? We're talking $80 vs $600 here, but the impression that I get is that the real difference is not so much performance as ruggedness and battery life. I'm willing to keep up with battery changes if I can save $500 (you can almost buy another AR for that), and I don't plan on submerging my optic or taking it to the 'Stan.

    I'm with you on "light and simple." Less spent on stuff hanging off means more to spend on ammo or another gun.

    I haven’t tried them, but lots of people like the Primary Arms red dots. The mini has a battery life of 50,000 hours, and the regular 30mm version is good for 500 hours. $170 and $70 respectively, vs about $400 for an Aimpoint.

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    I haven’t tried them, but lots of people like the Primary Arms red dots.
     
    The good folks at Primary Arms would be the first ones to tell you that their red dots are NOT for serious "life or death at stake" use. For serious combat purposes, they will tell you to stick to Aimpoint. They would also tell you that their Chinese-made knockoff has some parallax within 50 yards or so.
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  154. @countenance
    Concomitant to that, the NYT had a front page editorial today, the first time it has done that in 95 years. And, back in 1920, the NYT was not a crucial domestic and international media choke point. Add to it that the cross town NYDN has essentially issued a fatwa against Wayne LaPierre.

    The media/Democrats/left must really not want us to notice who did Paris and San Berdoo. If only I was more cynical, I would conclude that the doers happen to be faithful Democrat voting constituencies.

    https://countenance.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/nyt-12-5-15.jpg

    the NYT had a front page editorial today, the first time it has done that in 95 years.

    Wrong. The Times runs a front page editorial — and sometimes more — every day.

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  155. Svigor says:

    5.56 is also a relatively poor choice for an SBR. You can go with a lot shorter barrel in .300 Blackout or 7.62×39, for example.

    $400 for an Aimpoint seems low. Maybe because I’m always looking at the micros. Or have they come down in price a lot?

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    There are lots of Aimpoint models. The Aimpoint PRO, a full size model, runs about $425 at Midway, Brownells, SWFA, etc. The higher end and more expensive models are compatible with night vision devices. Be careful about ChiCom fakes from dodgy sites.

    Aimpoint commands a premium for their name, but there are plenty of perfectly serviceable red dots for a lot less than $200.
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  156. “What would it look like if I took America’s obsession with firearms to its logical extreme?”

    Do the editors of The New Yorker imagine that our designated replacements, the diverse people of Third World color, are less interested in owning guns?

    For that matter, is gun ownership more common among blacks or whites? (Now try getting NSF funding to investigate that…)

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  157. @Reg Cæsar

    White folks stocking up at Walmart for the day in the very near future when The One declares martial law and cancels next year’s election.

     

    The Walmart in my city doesn't sell guns because it's in a diverse area and the city council asked them not to.

    It's my understanding (from gun controllers themselves) that federal law allows gun dealers to turn down any customer for any reason and are not required to make that reason explicit.

    Is this true? If so, a dealer could impose a blanket ban an sales to nonwhites and get away with it.

    Do Walmart and other dealers do this in the South? Or do they take money from anybody?

    There was a pro-gun Illinois organization called, I think, “Conceal Carry,” that had obtained an FFL (Federal Firearms License). They said that they would NOT sell to African-Americans unless some bonafide Black civil rights leader, like the NAACP or Jesse Jackson, Sr. asked them to lift their ban.

    Guess what.

    No Blacks stepped forward to ask that they lift their ban.

    It was more important for Blacks to maintain their good-little-leftists status with the Cosmopolitans than lifting the gun ban to their race.

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  158. Dr. Doom says:

    You know, maybe this idiot is on to something. Maybe we should stop buying guns and enrich uranium with centrifuges for peaceful purposes. This idiot doesn’t seem to have any problems with that, and just imagine how peaceful our lives would be when we have our own weapons of mass destruction like Obama and his fellow Axis of Evil members.

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  159. Boomstick says:
    @Svigor
    5.56 is also a relatively poor choice for an SBR. You can go with a lot shorter barrel in .300 Blackout or 7.62x39, for example.

    $400 for an Aimpoint seems low. Maybe because I'm always looking at the micros. Or have they come down in price a lot?

    There are lots of Aimpoint models. The Aimpoint PRO, a full size model, runs about $425 at Midway, Brownells, SWFA, etc. The higher end and more expensive models are compatible with night vision devices. Be careful about ChiCom fakes from dodgy sites.

    Aimpoint commands a premium for their name, but there are plenty of perfectly serviceable red dots for a lot less than $200.

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    The Aimpoint PRO, a full size model, runs about $425 at Midway, Brownells, SWFA, etc. The higher end and more expensive models are compatible with night vision devices.
     
    Aimpoint Pro is compatible with night vision devices. It also comes with Aimpoint's QRP 2 quick attach/detach system, which is quite serviceable, as well as flip-up lens covers.

    It is, by far, the best value in the Aimpoint lineup. And by value, I do not mean cheap or flimsy.

    For my money, though, the T-series is unbeatable. It is just as rugged and high performing as the larger Aimpoints, but has a smaller profiles and weighs considerably less. It is pricey though - around $600 for T-1 and $700+ for T-2.
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  160. Twinkie says:
    @Svigor

    * A red dot sight. Aimpoint. Simple, rugged, and you can leave it turned on for years without changing the batteries. Red dots are significantly faster than iron sights, and my eyes aren’t what they used to be.
     
    Has anyone ever done real side-by-side tests comparing the expensive stuff from Aimpoint, Eotech, etc., with the cheap stuff like my Bushnell TRS1? We're talking $80 vs $600 here, but the impression that I get is that the real difference is not so much performance as ruggedness and battery life. I'm willing to keep up with battery changes if I can save $500 (you can almost buy another AR for that), and I don't plan on submerging my optic or taking it to the 'Stan.

    I'm with you on "light and simple." Less spent on stuff hanging off means more to spend on ammo or another gun.

    We’re talking $80 vs $600 here, but the impression that I get is that the real difference is not so much performance as ruggedness and battery life.

    Actually battery life of the cheap knockoffs has caught up with the real thing. But quality control, reliability, and ruggedness have not.

    Aimpoints are built like tanks. They don’t break or lose the zero easily under rough field conditions. The cheap knockoffs are fine for punching holes in the paper (which is what the vast majority of civilian gun owners do anyway). But if you intend to use that red dot for a serious SHTF scenario, stick to proven milspec equipment such as Aimpoint (I’ve never been a big fan of EOTech, and it was recently ordered to repay SOCOM for defects, mainly losing zero in extreme heat, I think).

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  161. Twinkie says:
    @Boomstick
    I haven't tried them, but lots of people like the Primary Arms red dots. The mini has a battery life of 50,000 hours, and the regular 30mm version is good for 500 hours. $170 and $70 respectively, vs about $400 for an Aimpoint.

    I haven’t tried them, but lots of people like the Primary Arms red dots.

    The good folks at Primary Arms would be the first ones to tell you that their red dots are NOT for serious “life or death at stake” use. For serious combat purposes, they will tell you to stick to Aimpoint. They would also tell you that their Chinese-made knockoff has some parallax within 50 yards or so.

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  162. Twinkie says:
    @Boomstick
    There are lots of Aimpoint models. The Aimpoint PRO, a full size model, runs about $425 at Midway, Brownells, SWFA, etc. The higher end and more expensive models are compatible with night vision devices. Be careful about ChiCom fakes from dodgy sites.

    Aimpoint commands a premium for their name, but there are plenty of perfectly serviceable red dots for a lot less than $200.

    The Aimpoint PRO, a full size model, runs about $425 at Midway, Brownells, SWFA, etc. The higher end and more expensive models are compatible with night vision devices.

    Aimpoint Pro is compatible with night vision devices. It also comes with Aimpoint’s QRP 2 quick attach/detach system, which is quite serviceable, as well as flip-up lens covers.

    It is, by far, the best value in the Aimpoint lineup. And by value, I do not mean cheap or flimsy.

    For my money, though, the T-series is unbeatable. It is just as rugged and high performing as the larger Aimpoints, but has a smaller profiles and weighs considerably less. It is pricey though – around $600 for T-1 and $700+ for T-2.

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  164. Svigor says:

    I think I’ll stick with the more affordable models. It’s not like the AR is really built for a serious SHTF scenario, either (gas tube, anyone?).

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  165. Svigor says:

    I mean, you can buy a second cheap RDS and put it into an Otter/Pelican box and still come way out ahead.

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  166. @iSteveFan
    You should read the latest Buchanan column. He likens the press to that of the clergy in pre-revolutionary France.

    Today the press decides what words are permissible and what thoughts are acceptable. The press conducts the inquisitions where heretics are blacklisted and excommunicated from the company of decent men, while others are forgiven if they recant their heresies.
     

    Buchanan obviously hasn’t read “SJWs Always Lie” because then he’d know better than to imply that an apology brings anything more than additional brimstone upon one’s head.

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