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Sexual selection

Via West Hunter, from bioRxiv, news of an important new genome analysis technique, Singleton Density Score (SDS), that focuses on Darwinian selection among humans over the last 100 generations (e.g., during historic times).

This is a big deal breakthrough made possible by having thousands of genomes sequenced. This first round focuses upon recent selection pressures upon the British, but everybody else can eventually be analyzed.

Detection of human adaptation during the past 2,000 years

Yair Field, Evan A Boyle, Natalie Telis, Ziyue Gao, Kyle J Gaulton, David Golan, Loic Yengo, Ghislain Rocheleau, Philippe Froguel, Mark I McCarthy, Jonathan K Pritchard

doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1101/052084

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed

Abstract

Detection of recent natural selection is a challenging problem in population genetics, as standard methods generally integrate over long timescales. Here we introduce the Singleton Density Score (SDS), a powerful measure to infer very recent changes in allele frequencies from contemporary genome sequences. When applied to data from the UK10K Project, SDS reflects allele frequency changes in the ancestors of modern Britons during the past 2,000 years. We see strong signals of selection at lactase and HLA, and in favor of blond hair and blue eyes. Turning to signals of polygenic adaptation we find, remarkably, that recent selection for increased height has driven allele frequency shifts across most of the genome. Moreover, we report suggestive new evidence for polygenic shifts affecting many other complex traits. Our results suggest that polygenic adaptation has played a pervasive role in shaping genotypic and phenotypic variation in modern humans.

They looked at a database of the genomes of 3,195 individuals with deep ancestral roots in Britain.

The single largest peak is at the lactase locus, with a maximum SDS score of 10.0 (p=1×10-23; Fig. 3B, fig. S8). Lactase is a well-known target of selection in Europeans [4,24], however our data show that strong selection persisted well into the last 2,000 years. …

Screenshot 2016-05-08 16.36.26 When applied to data from the UK10K Project, SDS reflects allele frequency changes in the ancestors of modern Britons during the past 2,000 years.

We see strong signals of selection at lactase and HLA, and in favor of blond hair and blue eyes.

Turning to signals of polygenic adaptation we find, remarkably, that recent selection for increased height has driven allele frequency shifts across most of the genome.

Screenshot 2016-05-08 16.41.37 Moreover, we report suggestive new evidence for polygenic shifts affecting many other complex traits. Our results suggest that polygenic adaptation has played a pervasive role in shaping genotypic and phenotypic variation in modern humans.

… We speculate that recent selection in favor of blond hair and blue eyes may reflect sexual selection for phenotypes in the ancestors of the British, as opposed to the longer-term trend toward lighter skin pigmentation in non-Africans, generally thought to have been driven by the need for Vitamin D production[32].

Thus far we have described strong selection signals at individual loci. However, it has been proposed that another major mechanism of adaptation may be through polygenic selection on complex traits[16]. This mode of selection would act through small, directed shifts in allele frequencies at many loci. Polygenic selection can potentially change phenotypes rapidly, but would leave only weak signals at individual loci. The best evidence of polygenic adaptation is for height, which shows a signal of differential selection on height in northern Europeans relative to southern Europeans [17–19,33]. A recent study of prehistoric Europeans found selection both for decreased height in southern Europeans, and a weak signal of an increase in steppe populations that contributed to northern Europeans, within the past ~5,000 years[24].

While height has the strongest signal, we also see signals for a variety of other traits. These include additional anthropometric traits such as selection toward increased infant head circumference and birth weight, and increases in female hip size; as well as selection on variants underlying metabolic traits including levels of insulin and glycated hemoglobin.

Some of the results hint at sexually dimorphic adaptations: in addition to the female-specific signal for increased hip size, we observe a male specific signal for decreased BMI; we further see a signal in favor of later sexual maturation in women, but not in men. While many of these signals are highly intriguing, and some match known phenotypes of modern British (SOM), it remains to fully determine the confounding role—if any—of population structure in contributing to these signals.

Until Cochran and Harpending started beating the drums for the concept of accelerated recent human evolution in this century, the conventional wisdom was increased cultural change in recent millennia meant less absolute genetic change. But this was a logical mistake driven in part by the human predilection to anthropomorphize everything into Who Would Win in a Fight? Nature or a Nurture? If cultural change had become relatively more important, it was assumed that genetic change had become absolutely less important, because genes were Losers.

In reality, however, the world doesn’t work that way. Increased cultural change (due say to colonizing new latitudes and even continents and developing new economies, such as agriculture) would increase the novel selection pressures and thus, all else being equal, speed up genetic evolution and diversification, thus increasing racial differences.

I had this discussion with Jared Diamond in 2002 about his G uns, Germs, and Steel bestseller. We had been chatting amicably I pointed out that his documentation of environmental differences among the continents would imply more selection for genetic differences. He then quickly gathered his papers and vamoosed.

P.S., Razib goes with Rosamund Pike as his illustration.

 
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  1. it’s good to know the future is not so dark after all.

  2. And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie’s attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    • Replies: @neutral

    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie’s attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?
     
    Are you being serious here ? In case you don't know and are not joking, having lots of money provides men with power and the means to support children, this is a great evolutionary benefit signal that women seek out. Besides that, Statham may be bald, but he is the muscular testosterone bald type, something that does not generally repulse females either (but by far the fame and his money is the major factor).
    , @Cracker
    Green, capiche?
    , @jimmyriddle
    Rosie, what first attracted you to multi-millionaire Jason Statham?
    , @Steven J.
    You know the answer. :-)

    He is not poorer than she is. He has a lot of money to provide for a potential family. Also he has fame.
    , @biz
    Famous dudes get a ton of ass. This is rather basic.
    , @SFG
    $
    , @Anonymous
    Maybe the short, bald guy has a huge, bald guy dangling between his legs.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Statham is 5'10"; she is 5'9" but wearing heels. He's a former model and an action film star, and he's been balding throughout most of his career.
    , @AndrewR
    What's the genomic explanation for you spamming comment threads with troll questions?
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    She's rather flat-chested and has a weird face. Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't do better.
    , @Thomas Fuller
    Here's the science behind it:

    https://youtu.be/TjZIPClPR6I?t=351
    , @Kylie
    "And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie’s attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?"

    You mean besides the fact that he's very masculine and sexy as hell?

    Not my type*. I saw him in some action or crime flick my husband rented. All I remember about the movie is that he was in it but I did watch it all the way through.

    *He's no Joe Pesci.
    , @Anonymous
    You do understand that she's in heels and is 175 to his 178 without them right? Also that most women don't choose mates based purely on sex appeal?
    , @Karl
    >>> what is the genomic explanation for Rosie’s attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    actually, he's the tallest man in the room.... when he's standing on top of his wallet.
    , @Orion
    Dear "Intelligent" Dasein, you can find your answer here:
    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2016/05/11/alpha-male-body-language/
  3. Maybe it’s just about the right time to ask the signatories of the letter to the NY Times denouncing Nicholas Wade whether they’d like a Mulligan.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/books/review/letters-a-troublesome-inheritance.html

    Hysterical obfuscation and conspicuous moral posturing isn’t really a good look for a scientist. They might try to save themselves a little dignity while it’s still possible.

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    I would like to have list of people in important positions who should say sorry first when in a few years there is a almost not deniable proof of racial IQ differences. For example half a dozen of people who prominently smeared Watson, half a dozen of those people who wrote this letter, half a dozen of people who criticized Sarrazin on grounds of false assumptions. Some important public science presenters, who spread the falsehoods.
    Probably this will never happen, thats not how humans work, but still it would be great.
  4. nest provider and protector

  5. Except Rosie is genetically around 1/4 Ashkenazi. So yes and no.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Still works--what if the other 3/4 were Chinese?
    , @Anonymous
    She's actually 3/8 Ashkenazi.
    , @Lot
    Ashkenazi have also been selecting for lighter features, not to mention height and lactose tolerance. Just not for as long as most other northern european groups. Their ancestry is mostly old Levantine and North Italian/South French, but they are lighter featured that you'd expect.
    , @Bill
    And she's a brunette, but who's counting?
  6. Problem is, there’s been lots of immigration into England in the last 100 generations. I’m not talking about the recent overflow of Pakistani Muslims, etc, who have come in during recent generations, though they probably are having an effect. They’re just not analyzed here since they focused on people with deep roots in England. I’m thinking alot of this is due to immigration and domination by Germanic peoples over the last millenia or so. Vikings, Danes, the Normans, hell, even the Windsors- They of course would directly bring in many of these phenotypes- blonde hair, blue eyes, lactase, etc- but also if they conquered, set themselves up as kings and leaders, then there would be selection for their traits. They would secure the best resources for themselves, they would probably take many native women for their wives, and likely as they came to be accepted as the local authority many native women would prefer them as they tend to chase after wealth and power. So question is, how much was directly imported in, and how much is selection from within the earlier population? If someone said Americans have evolved over the past few generations to be more brown, is that what actually happened?

    • Replies: @Bhroham
    I also thought this, and questioned Razib. He claims this possibility has been dealt with and excluded in the study. See comments 5, 6 and 8 here: http://www.unz.com/gnxp/the-2000-year-selection-of-the-british/
    , @NickG

    Problem is, there’s been lots of immigration into England in the last 100 generations.
     
    That's a myth.

    At least before post WW2 immigration and population replacement policies of various governments - still ongoing - that has native Britons reduced to minorities in London, Leicester, Luton, Slough, and soon Birmingham.

    Pre 20th century waves of immigration from the Romans, Vikings, Normans, Huguenots etcetera, made little impression on the genome of native Britons, because the numbers were very limited.

    UK Telegraph article.

  7. Were you, Steve, the one asking what a preprint is?

    A preprint is an article prepared for publication. It is designed to get results out into the conversation, stake ground on certain research, and informally spread ideas. Preprints exist and are in the form of an article that would be submitted to a journal or conference, but often in longer format.

    Perhaps no journal will publish it. Perhaps publication takes four years. In certain branches of physics research, like string theory and quantum computing, there were only 2 possible journals to publish in. Waiting for publication was useless for interesting results. More, so few “peers” exist, and all of them want to know what you’re doing anyway, that why bother with the fiction that journaled “peer review” is anonymous or somehow more noble than just letting people read and critique your work.

    So preprint archives were invented.in part, to kill off the monopoly of publication, or to get out ideas otherwise unpublishable.

  8. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie’s attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    Are you being serious here ? In case you don’t know and are not joking, having lots of money provides men with power and the means to support children, this is a great evolutionary benefit signal that women seek out. Besides that, Statham may be bald, but he is the muscular testosterone bald type, something that does not generally repulse females either (but by far the fame and his money is the major factor).

    • Replies: @Thursday
    Jason Statham is just plain cool, dammit. He has the bald tough guy look, which he pulls off with real panache.
    , @Bill Jones
    The older man, younger woman meme makes sense too.

    He gets greater fertility, she gets a track record of proven provision.
  9. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    Green, capiche?

  10. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    Rosie, what first attracted you to multi-millionaire Jason Statham?

  11. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    You know the answer. 🙂

    He is not poorer than she is. He has a lot of money to provide for a potential family. Also he has fame.

  12. I approve of your shameless use of science as an excuse to post pictures of hotties.

    It also helps that Jason Statham is a genuinely cool guys guy, as opposed to some of the douchey types that these models often end up with.

    • Replies: @anon
    Yeah, it's just a shame he got shunted onto the Steven Segal path rather than the Bruce Willis path as he's got great comic timing.
  13. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    Famous dudes get a ton of ass. This is rather basic.

  14. @neutral

    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie’s attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?
     
    Are you being serious here ? In case you don't know and are not joking, having lots of money provides men with power and the means to support children, this is a great evolutionary benefit signal that women seek out. Besides that, Statham may be bald, but he is the muscular testosterone bald type, something that does not generally repulse females either (but by far the fame and his money is the major factor).

    Jason Statham is just plain cool, dammit. He has the bald tough guy look, which he pulls off with real panache.

  15. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:
  16. @Thursday
    I approve of your shameless use of science as an excuse to post pictures of hotties.

    It also helps that Jason Statham is a genuinely cool guys guy, as opposed to some of the douchey types that these models often end up with.

    Yeah, it’s just a shame he got shunted onto the Steven Segal path rather than the Bruce Willis path as he’s got great comic timing.

  17. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    $

  18. This is what Bill Clinton looks like now.

    https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/status/729109868771041281

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Ye gods, imagine 4 years of Zombie Bill as First Gentleman!
    , @JayMan
    http://statici.behindthevoiceactors.com/behindthevoiceactors/_img/chars/char_154219.jpg
    , @donut
    The new Ted Kennedy . From Ambrose Bierce : "Debauchee : one who has so earnestly pursued pleasure that he has had the misfortune to overtake it ."
    , @cthulhu
    Hillary on CNN the other day:

    I have a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave and how they speak...
     
    From the looks of that picture, I think she's finally unmasked herself as Nurse Ratched...
    , @Pseudonymic Handle
    There's a rumour that he is ill and Hillary has kept it quiet so she could play the sympathy card at the right point before the election.
    , @SFG
    Creepy.

    1. He had a quadruple bypass after surgery. All those burgers caught up with him.

    2. He may very well have other health problems--they say Hillary had a stroke, though she seems to be doing well enough from the way she attacks Bernie.

    3. Liches don't suck life energy, they avoid death by hiding their souls in their phylacteries.
    , @AnotherDad


    This is what Bill Clinton looks like now
     
    .

    Wow, that's bad. Don't know whether that's a particularly bad pic or not.

    Clinton has a decade on peak-boomers like Steve and I, but he looks years older than that--more like late 70s. I don't expect to keep looking like Jason Statham--who in turn has a decade (in youth) on me. But I think i'm going to look better than that at 70.

    ~~
    BTW it would be nice to elect presidents who are fully mature and experienced but not geriatrics. We've swung wildly between the young and callow, Clinton, Obama--with W, just callow--sandwiched in between. And these geriatrics alternatives, Reagan--who checked out during his 2nd term; Dole and McCain if elected; and now either Hillary or Trump. Trump has terrific energy for someone hitting 70 next month, but he's an outlier. I realize 70 is the new 60 or something ... but reality doesn't actually quite work that way.

    I'd like to stick to guys--yes guys!--who are in their 50s, maybe stretching to Eisenhower's 62, with a record of accomplishment and common sense, but also still some trace of youth and vigor. You want a guy who would still *like* to and *could* bang his secretary really good but had the sense discipline not to do it.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Bill is a dead man walking. Or maybe an undead man. His Dorian Gray portrait is actually Thomas Gainsborough's Blue Boy. Something in his trade with Lucifer at the crossroads went south, way way south.
  19. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Evolution works in strange ways

  20. @JohnnyWalker123
    This is what Bill Clinton looks like now.

    https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/status/729109868771041281

    Ye gods, imagine 4 years of Zombie Bill as First Gentleman!

  21. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    Maybe the short, bald guy has a huge, bald guy dangling between his legs.

  22. @JohnnyWalker123
    This is what Bill Clinton looks like now.

    https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/status/729109868771041281

  23. @JohnnyWalker123
    This is what Bill Clinton looks like now.

    https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/status/729109868771041281

    The new Ted Kennedy . From Ambrose Bierce : “Debauchee : one who has so earnestly pursued pleasure that he has had the misfortune to overtake it .”

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Dorian Gray is finally paying the price.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q51KoHsQNRs
  24. donut says:

    During Jackson’s Shenandoah Valley campaign he had a number of cadets from VMI serving on his staff as couriers at one point during a battle he asked after one of the cadets he hadn’t seen in a while , when told that the boy had been killed Jackson replied “very commendable” . A true American eccentric and genius .

    Lee’s last words : “Strike the tent.”

  25. What do you say fellas” ? Excepting the Greeks defeating the Persians and of course our own revolution , I think it would be better to die for a lost cause than a winning one . What say you ?

  26. @JohnnyWalker123
    This is what Bill Clinton looks like now.

    https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/status/729109868771041281

    Hillary on CNN the other day:

    I have a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave and how they speak…

    From the looks of that picture, I think she’s finally unmasked herself as Nurse Ratched…

    • Replies: @Nico

    I have a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave and how they speak…
     
    How does this woman think she is going to get a single male vote in the general election?!
  27. @donut
    The new Ted Kennedy . From Ambrose Bierce : "Debauchee : one who has so earnestly pursued pleasure that he has had the misfortune to overtake it ."

    Dorian Gray is finally paying the price.

  28. @JohnnyWalker123
    This is what Bill Clinton looks like now.

    https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/status/729109868771041281

    There’s a rumour that he is ill and Hillary has kept it quiet so she could play the sympathy card at the right point before the election.

  29. Most white girls who are blond whilst young become dishwater, ashy blondes, as they get older. Thus, light blonde hair denotes youthfulness and fertility. Neither of the 2 ladies posing with Jason Statham are in the least beautiful, they are average white chicks with blonde hair, is all. The chemically aquired blondness gives them a boost, but it is a false one. Deception is a female wile.

    • Replies: @Mark Eugenikos

    Neither of the 2 ladies posing with Jason Statham are in the least beautiful...
     
    It's one and the same lady in both pictures.

    As far as Rosie (the lady's name) not being beautiful, it's all relative and in the eye of the beholder. Feel free to post your photo and the audience here will tell you how you measure up.
    , @Whoever

    Most white girls who are blond whilst young become dishwater, ashy blondes, as they get older.
     
    Exposure to the elements also affects blonde hair color. If you surf, you will get surfer blonde, very light hair from sunlight and saltwater bleaching. If you wear a cover all the time, your hair will darken. If you are indoors a lot your hair will also be darker than if you spend time outdoors a lot.
    I think those who use artificial means to lighten their hair are trying to give themselves an outdoor, sporty look. I know that guys go googoo-gaga for surfer girls with windblown blonde hair and a natural tan with bikini lines on a swimmer's body. Whether she's 20 years old or 30 years old doesn't seem to diminish her attractiveness.
    , @Nico

    are average white chicks with blonde hair
     
    Her body type is a bit more "frail" than I might go for in the abstract but I've been attracted to similarly-formed girls and overall she's as good an example of "quintessential Brit gal charm" as any. Who wants a Hollywood goddess, anyway? I wouldn't call RHW an "average white chick" by any stretch.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I'd let either one of them eat crackers in my bed.
    , @anon

    Neither of the 2 ladies posing with Jason Statham are in the least beautiful, they are average white chicks with blonde hair, is all.
     
    I think that's the point - if you're average or above then something that gets you noticed is a bonus.
    , @SPMoore8
    It's the same gal in both shots. She's not my type; either facially or otherwise, so, don't worry.

    On the other hand opposites attract, and facially and physically she seems a good match for Jason, even given the 20 year age difference. They might produce a couple of good linebackers.
  30. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    Statham is 5’10”; she is 5’9″ but wearing heels. He’s a former model and an action film star, and he’s been balding throughout most of his career.

    • Replies: @Mark Eugenikos

    Statham is 5’10″; she is 5’9″ but wearing heels.
     
    I'm not sure I buy that. Exact height notwithstanding, she looks taller. If you click on the second photo (Rosie in golden dress, Jason with a bow tie) it will take you to a Daily Mail article. There are a couple photos of them on a beach, both barefoot, and Rosie looks taller in both.

    Statham comes across as someone who would not be intimidated by a taller woman anyway, so I doubt it matters to him if Rosie is taller only with heels on, or just taller period.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Also an Olympic athlete, I believe...UK diving team -- which is why he's able to pull off those martial arts moves so credibly.
  31. OT: Obama and Julian Castro’s plan to “Fergusonize” the suburbs on the way out the door.

    “Obama’s last act is to force suburbs to be less white and less wealthy” NY Post

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/

    Help out liberal gentrifiers, punish Republican suburbs and exurbs. What’s not to like?

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    "Help out liberal gentrifiers, punish Republican suburbs and exurbs. What’s not to like?"

    Sounds to me like the people about to be enriched by diversity are the ones who've been benefitting from the growing pool of cheap labor outside the walls of their Whitopia. Rep or Dem, just desserts I'd say.
    , @MEH 0910

    OT: Obama and Julian Castro’s plan to “Fergusonize” the suburbs on the way out the door.

    “Obama’s last act is to force suburbs to be less white and less wealthy” NY Post

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/
     
    Fucking bastards.
    , @anon
    stealth pogrom
  32. @Grandpa Jack
    Problem is, there's been lots of immigration into England in the last 100 generations. I'm not talking about the recent overflow of Pakistani Muslims, etc, who have come in during recent generations, though they probably are having an effect. They're just not analyzed here since they focused on people with deep roots in England. I'm thinking alot of this is due to immigration and domination by Germanic peoples over the last millenia or so. Vikings, Danes, the Normans, hell, even the Windsors- They of course would directly bring in many of these phenotypes- blonde hair, blue eyes, lactase, etc- but also if they conquered, set themselves up as kings and leaders, then there would be selection for their traits. They would secure the best resources for themselves, they would probably take many native women for their wives, and likely as they came to be accepted as the local authority many native women would prefer them as they tend to chase after wealth and power. So question is, how much was directly imported in, and how much is selection from within the earlier population? If someone said Americans have evolved over the past few generations to be more brown, is that what actually happened?

    I also thought this, and questioned Razib. He claims this possibility has been dealt with and excluded in the study. See comments 5, 6 and 8 here: http://www.unz.com/gnxp/the-2000-year-selection-of-the-british/

  33. What a great song :

    And yet don’t we all know that love is:

  34. @Michelle
    Most white girls who are blond whilst young become dishwater, ashy blondes, as they get older. Thus, light blonde hair denotes youthfulness and fertility. Neither of the 2 ladies posing with Jason Statham are in the least beautiful, they are average white chicks with blonde hair, is all. The chemically aquired blondness gives them a boost, but it is a false one. Deception is a female wile.

    Neither of the 2 ladies posing with Jason Statham are in the least beautiful…

    It’s one and the same lady in both pictures.

    As far as Rosie (the lady’s name) not being beautiful, it’s all relative and in the eye of the beholder. Feel free to post your photo and the audience here will tell you how you measure up.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    https://goo.gl/photos/GivrP2JTdzc5CtfZ7
  35. @Dave Pinsen
    Statham is 5'10"; she is 5'9" but wearing heels. He's a former model and an action film star, and he's been balding throughout most of his career.

    Statham is 5’10″; she is 5’9″ but wearing heels.

    I’m not sure I buy that. Exact height notwithstanding, she looks taller. If you click on the second photo (Rosie in golden dress, Jason with a bow tie) it will take you to a Daily Mail article. There are a couple photos of them on a beach, both barefoot, and Rosie looks taller in both.

    Statham comes across as someone who would not be intimidated by a taller woman anyway, so I doubt it matters to him if Rosie is taller only with heels on, or just taller period.

    • Replies: @Nico
    I have found taller women (5'10" and over) are very open and non-hung-up about shorter guys (I am not particularly short, not particularly tall) and that if I get past the initial hang-up this puts me at ease, as well. At some point shorter men need to man up and accept that insisting on woman shorter than themselves with heels is cutting the crop too thin (as is the case for most silly dating hangups), and, well, taller women looking for men taller than they are are going to be looking for quite some time...
    , @Brutusale
    Jason Statham as Handsome Rob embodies Game in this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGSVHJpDgrg

    Confidence is key.
  36. P.S., Razib goes with Rosamund Pike as his illustration.

    If there’s any actress that is a picture-perfect representation of what a noble beauty (a queen, if you will) should look like, it’s Rosamund Pike. I can’t think of anyone, at least in the Anglophone world, who’s looked that noble since Grace Kelly.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    I found Rosamund Pike's voice and face disturbing in Gone Girl. Maybe that's merely good acting.
  37. @Michelle
    Most white girls who are blond whilst young become dishwater, ashy blondes, as they get older. Thus, light blonde hair denotes youthfulness and fertility. Neither of the 2 ladies posing with Jason Statham are in the least beautiful, they are average white chicks with blonde hair, is all. The chemically aquired blondness gives them a boost, but it is a false one. Deception is a female wile.

    Most white girls who are blond whilst young become dishwater, ashy blondes, as they get older.

    Exposure to the elements also affects blonde hair color. If you surf, you will get surfer blonde, very light hair from sunlight and saltwater bleaching. If you wear a cover all the time, your hair will darken. If you are indoors a lot your hair will also be darker than if you spend time outdoors a lot.
    I think those who use artificial means to lighten their hair are trying to give themselves an outdoor, sporty look. I know that guys go googoo-gaga for surfer girls with windblown blonde hair and a natural tan with bikini lines on a swimmer’s body. Whether she’s 20 years old or 30 years old doesn’t seem to diminish her attractiveness.

  38. You will walk the floor with , what ? a rolled up news paper in your hands ? Get a gun bitch !

  39. come on America , harden up :

    • Replies: @donut
    the weather with Chopper Reed :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Fa1c9SjDE
  40. @donut
    come on America , harden up :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y

    the weather with Chopper Reed :

  41. More chopper reed :

  42. @candid_observer
    Maybe it's just about the right time to ask the signatories of the letter to the NY Times denouncing Nicholas Wade whether they'd like a Mulligan.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/books/review/letters-a-troublesome-inheritance.html

    Hysterical obfuscation and conspicuous moral posturing isn't really a good look for a scientist. They might try to save themselves a little dignity while it's still possible.

    I would like to have list of people in important positions who should say sorry first when in a few years there is a almost not deniable proof of racial IQ differences. For example half a dozen of people who prominently smeared Watson, half a dozen of those people who wrote this letter, half a dozen of people who criticized Sarrazin on grounds of false assumptions. Some important public science presenters, who spread the falsehoods.
    Probably this will never happen, thats not how humans work, but still it would be great.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Anybody can put online such an infamous list. For instance, Vox Day and his followers have posted online a wiki of Social Justice Warriors who have carried out personal attacks on dissenters. Just so we know.
  43. NickG says:
    @Grandpa Jack
    Problem is, there's been lots of immigration into England in the last 100 generations. I'm not talking about the recent overflow of Pakistani Muslims, etc, who have come in during recent generations, though they probably are having an effect. They're just not analyzed here since they focused on people with deep roots in England. I'm thinking alot of this is due to immigration and domination by Germanic peoples over the last millenia or so. Vikings, Danes, the Normans, hell, even the Windsors- They of course would directly bring in many of these phenotypes- blonde hair, blue eyes, lactase, etc- but also if they conquered, set themselves up as kings and leaders, then there would be selection for their traits. They would secure the best resources for themselves, they would probably take many native women for their wives, and likely as they came to be accepted as the local authority many native women would prefer them as they tend to chase after wealth and power. So question is, how much was directly imported in, and how much is selection from within the earlier population? If someone said Americans have evolved over the past few generations to be more brown, is that what actually happened?

    Problem is, there’s been lots of immigration into England in the last 100 generations.

    That’s a myth.

    At least before post WW2 immigration and population replacement policies of various governments – still ongoing – that has native Britons reduced to minorities in London, Leicester, Luton, Slough, and soon Birmingham.

    Pre 20th century waves of immigration from the Romans, Vikings, Normans, Huguenots etcetera, made little impression on the genome of native Britons, because the numbers were very limited.

    UK Telegraph article.

  44. @cthulhu
    Hillary on CNN the other day:

    I have a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave and how they speak...
     
    From the looks of that picture, I think she's finally unmasked herself as Nurse Ratched...

    I have a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave and how they speak…

    How does this woman think she is going to get a single male vote in the general election?!

  45. Certainly when I had a child at an English private school (wealthier parents than average) there seemed to be more blonde girls in his class than the UK average. More blonde mothers too at school events. Blondes being the gold standard for most men (all else being equal) that’s not surprising.

    Does hair colour get mentioned much in novels, poems and literature going back? Jane Austen (for example) was an acute observer of what made a girl marriageable, but I don’t recall much emphasis being put on hair colour – then again I don’t recall much emphasis being put on height or figure either.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    How much is "gentlemen prefer blondes" due to direct preference, and how much to something else? I've always been attracted to women of all hair tints fairly equally. Other considerations dominate.

    Still, I've also had this consistent desire that at least some of my children be fair-haired. (Red being an acceptable substitute...) Am I weird, or is this attitude more common than we recognize?

    Another thing I've noticed over the years is that "pretty" ages a lot better than "beautiful" does. So, yes, be happy with that 6 or 7. You'll thank yourself when she's 60.
    , @Whoever
    Some time ago, I read an essay about how blondes became popular in America. The author noted that in the 19th century the most commonly mentioned hair color for a woman described as attractive was "auburn." Auburn hair and hazel eyes were considered the best combination. Blondes were farmer's daughters, maids or au pair girls, if they were mentioned at all.
    But this changed with the advent of the movies, in particular with Irving Thalberg's promotion of Jean Harlow, the original "blonde bombshell," who became immensely popular with audiences. Thereafter, it became common for screen actresses to lighten their hair color, the most famous to do that, of course, being Marylin Monroe, whose natural hair color seems to have been a sort of auburn--just the color that would have been most attractive in the olden days!
    It's interesting to me that--if, in fact, the Thalberg/Harlow influence is real--two people who had very short lives were able to massively redirect the sexual selection preferences of their whole country, possibly even the entire western world, and perhaps even to the extent that natural blondes have become more reproductively successful (accomplished, high-IQ men preferring them as mates), thus gradually changing the physical look of the upper classes.
    Talk about your butterfly effects....
    , @Boomstick
    The only one I can recall is Harriet Smith in Emma:

    "She was a very pretty girl, and her beauty happened to be of a sort which Emma particularly admired. She was short, plump, and fair, with a fine bloom, blue eyes, light hair, regular features, and a look of great sweetness..."
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Pride and Prejudice has several comments on height and figure. Darcy's sister's figure is described as "light and pleasing". Darcy himself is described as having a "noble countenance". How people looked and especially how they carried themselves was important. I cannot recall any references to hair color in P&P.
  46. Nico says:
    @Michelle
    Most white girls who are blond whilst young become dishwater, ashy blondes, as they get older. Thus, light blonde hair denotes youthfulness and fertility. Neither of the 2 ladies posing with Jason Statham are in the least beautiful, they are average white chicks with blonde hair, is all. The chemically aquired blondness gives them a boost, but it is a false one. Deception is a female wile.

    are average white chicks with blonde hair

    Her body type is a bit more “frail” than I might go for in the abstract but I’ve been attracted to similarly-formed girls and overall she’s as good an example of “quintessential Brit gal charm” as any. Who wants a Hollywood goddess, anyway? I wouldn’t call RHW an “average white chick” by any stretch.

  47. Nico says:
    @Mark Eugenikos

    Statham is 5’10″; she is 5’9″ but wearing heels.
     
    I'm not sure I buy that. Exact height notwithstanding, she looks taller. If you click on the second photo (Rosie in golden dress, Jason with a bow tie) it will take you to a Daily Mail article. There are a couple photos of them on a beach, both barefoot, and Rosie looks taller in both.

    Statham comes across as someone who would not be intimidated by a taller woman anyway, so I doubt it matters to him if Rosie is taller only with heels on, or just taller period.

    I have found taller women (5’10” and over) are very open and non-hung-up about shorter guys (I am not particularly short, not particularly tall) and that if I get past the initial hang-up this puts me at ease, as well. At some point shorter men need to man up and accept that insisting on woman shorter than themselves with heels is cutting the crop too thin (as is the case for most silly dating hangups), and, well, taller women looking for men taller than they are are going to be looking for quite some time…

    • Replies: @Mark Eugenikos
    Agree completely.
  48. “accelerated recent human evolution”

    How about accelerated human devolution? Maybe as the plunder from the Empire flowed into Britain the traits being selected for were purely aesthetic like hair and eye color. So eventually you end up importing a short swarthy type from Pakistan to run the British capital because the tall blond aristocrats can’t handle it. Londinistan mayor Sadiq Khan is simply the fulfillment of a genetic law. Allahu Akbar.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution_(biology)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devo

    • Disagree: BB753
    • Replies: @anon

    because the tall blond aristocrats can’t handle it
     
    the ethnic cleansing of the UK is the result of Jewish activism
  49. @km
    Except Rosie is genetically around 1/4 Ashkenazi. So yes and no.

    Still works–what if the other 3/4 were Chinese?

  50. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    What’s the genomic explanation for you spamming comment threads with troll questions?

  51. Her hips are not as wide as they could be. And her elbows are pointy.

  52. SFG says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    This is what Bill Clinton looks like now.

    https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/status/729109868771041281

    Creepy.

    1. He had a quadruple bypass after surgery. All those burgers caught up with him.

    2. He may very well have other health problems–they say Hillary had a stroke, though she seems to be doing well enough from the way she attacks Bernie.

    3. Liches don’t suck life energy, they avoid death by hiding their souls in their phylacteries.

    • Agree: Nico
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    He's been vegetarian for a long time now. Vegetarianism might not be good for your health. He's less than 70.
    , @Jack D
    A quadruple bypass IS the surgery, not something you get after surgery. This in itself is quite hard on the body but he apparently had complications after the surgery - he didn't really fully recover from it. Some people do OK after the surgery and are able to more or less resume their former lives and some people are never quite the same again. Clinton is in the latter category. The way the heart surgeons keep score, if you survive the surgery, it is a "success" for them. They don't make any promises as to what kind of shape you will be in afterward.

    Being a vegan isn't that great for your appearance either. It's hard to get enough iron in your diet without red meat and without it people tend to look pale and anemic. Also having a little fat on you makes you look better as an older man - the wrinkles show less.

    Bill also has rosacea which creates that horrible looking redness around his eyes and nose.

    We are used to seeing celebrity photos that are posed, with makeup and airbrushing and proper lighting, so a brutal flash photo like that is going to be shocking in comparison. In the old days kings used to get their portraits painted and the guy in the painting always looked a lot better and younger than actual man.
    , @Karl
    >> though she seems to be doing well enough from the way she attacks Bernie

    Show me three (real, not political-writers) people who switched from Bernie to Hillary.

    Show me one?


    PS: Bernie did NOT fail to cut off Hillary at the knees..... he succeeded to cut off Elizabeth Warren at the knees.

    Bernie's gonna do a SWPL version of Jessie Jackson's post-Presidential-run career.

    Anyone have The Donald's fax number? I want to tell him to select Ben Carson for Veep, and announce that Bernie will be his Secretary of the Treasury. That's ALL of the white voters, and 95% of the blacks.
    , @ben tillman

    1. He had a quadruple bypass after surgery. All those burgers caught up with him.
     
    Do you mean buns? The burgers themselves are good for the heart.
  53. I give you evolution’s apogee:

    Would smash. Repeatedly. And again. And some more for good measure.

  54. @SFG
    Creepy.

    1. He had a quadruple bypass after surgery. All those burgers caught up with him.

    2. He may very well have other health problems--they say Hillary had a stroke, though she seems to be doing well enough from the way she attacks Bernie.

    3. Liches don't suck life energy, they avoid death by hiding their souls in their phylacteries.

    He’s been vegetarian for a long time now. Vegetarianism might not be good for your health. He’s less than 70.

    • Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Vegetarianism might not be good for your health. He’s less than 70.
     
    I'd really like to see some studies breaking down the health benefits/detriments by gender. Based on anecdotal evidence, female vegetarians look great and male vegetarians look like AIDS patients.
  55. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    She’s rather flat-chested and has a weird face. Frankly, I’m surprised he didn’t do better.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Modern fashion modeling favors a certain look (anorexic) which does not include buxom women. Thin but buxom women are usually produced by artificial means. Because of her sub-specialty (lingerie modeling) she is actually less flat chested than most models - in one of the photos she is wearing a dress that makes her look flatter than she really is. In addition to being very thin, they tend to have strangely elongated bone structure, which look good in fashion photos. She has a neck like a giraffe and when she gets older it will look horrid. She may not be your "type" but the market values her kind of beauty highly.
  56. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    Here’s the science behind it:

  57. @Thomas
    OT: Obama and Julian Castro's plan to "Fergusonize" the suburbs on the way out the door.

    "Obama’s last act is to force suburbs to be less white and less wealthy" NY Post

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/

    Help out liberal gentrifiers, punish Republican suburbs and exurbs. What's not to like?

    “Help out liberal gentrifiers, punish Republican suburbs and exurbs. What’s not to like?”

    Sounds to me like the people about to be enriched by diversity are the ones who’ve been benefitting from the growing pool of cheap labor outside the walls of their Whitopia. Rep or Dem, just desserts I’d say.

  58. Eleven authors of a single paper? Looks like high-I.Q. men have evolved to endure the torment of the group-project.

  59. @Mark Eugenikos

    P.S., Razib goes with Rosamund Pike as his illustration.
     
    If there's any actress that is a picture-perfect representation of what a noble beauty (a queen, if you will) should look like, it's Rosamund Pike. I can't think of anyone, at least in the Anglophone world, who's looked that noble since Grace Kelly.

    I found Rosamund Pike’s voice and face disturbing in Gone Girl. Maybe that’s merely good acting.

    • Replies: @Mark Eugenikos
    It was good acting. If you see her in other movies or interviews she comes across as glamorous, not disturbing as in Gone Girl.
  60. @Thomas
    OT: Obama and Julian Castro's plan to "Fergusonize" the suburbs on the way out the door.

    "Obama’s last act is to force suburbs to be less white and less wealthy" NY Post

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/

    Help out liberal gentrifiers, punish Republican suburbs and exurbs. What's not to like?

    OT: Obama and Julian Castro’s plan to “Fergusonize” the suburbs on the way out the door.

    “Obama’s last act is to force suburbs to be less white and less wealthy” NY Post

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/

    Fucking bastards.

    • Agree: Kylie
  61. @Anonymous Nephew
    Certainly when I had a child at an English private school (wealthier parents than average) there seemed to be more blonde girls in his class than the UK average. More blonde mothers too at school events. Blondes being the gold standard for most men (all else being equal) that's not surprising.

    Does hair colour get mentioned much in novels, poems and literature going back? Jane Austen (for example) was an acute observer of what made a girl marriageable, but I don't recall much emphasis being put on hair colour - then again I don't recall much emphasis being put on height or figure either.

    How much is “gentlemen prefer blondes” due to direct preference, and how much to something else? I’ve always been attracted to women of all hair tints fairly equally. Other considerations dominate.

    Still, I’ve also had this consistent desire that at least some of my children be fair-haired. (Red being an acceptable substitute…) Am I weird, or is this attitude more common than we recognize?

    Another thing I’ve noticed over the years is that “pretty” ages a lot better than “beautiful” does. So, yes, be happy with that 6 or 7. You’ll thank yourself when she’s 60.

  62. @Mark Eugenikos

    Statham is 5’10″; she is 5’9″ but wearing heels.
     
    I'm not sure I buy that. Exact height notwithstanding, she looks taller. If you click on the second photo (Rosie in golden dress, Jason with a bow tie) it will take you to a Daily Mail article. There are a couple photos of them on a beach, both barefoot, and Rosie looks taller in both.

    Statham comes across as someone who would not be intimidated by a taller woman anyway, so I doubt it matters to him if Rosie is taller only with heels on, or just taller period.

    Jason Statham as Handsome Rob embodies Game in this clip:

    Confidence is key.

  63. ” Increased cultural change (due say to colonizing new latitudes and even continents and developing new economies, such as agriculture) would increase the novel selection pressures and thus, all else being equal, speed up genetic evolution and diversification, thus increasing racial differences.”

    Knowing what we know about the processes of evolution/natural selection the above makes perfect, if intuitive, sense. On the other hand, and apropos of the PC crowd, T.S. Eliot was right when he wrote that people can’t handle too much reality.

  64. Brits (including Irish) seem to have more swarthy types than other Northern Europeans though, EEF farmer admixture was stronger in NW than in Central Europe. BTW Whiteley is at least part Jewish, so maybe she’s not the best example.

    • Replies: @S. anonyia
    I always thought among Brits men tended to have lighter hair than women. Might just be because men spend more time outdoors, but it could have something to do with the Viking/Saxon genes mainly coming through on the male side.

    Where I live (South) there are hardly any naturally blond adult women. Lots of peroxide and dark eyebrows though. I don't think a single woman in my extended family is blond, though there are a few guys who are kinda dark blond.

    Of course the definition of blond is relative. What I call brown hair a lot of people call blond. On some liberal website the commenters even described Melania Trump as a blond.


    Taylor Swift and Amanda Seyfried are the best examples of celebrities who are obviously natural blondes.
    , @anon
    Maybe that's the reason for the selection - darker original population and a newer lighter elite creating a fashion preference to look more like them?
  65. @Michelle
    Most white girls who are blond whilst young become dishwater, ashy blondes, as they get older. Thus, light blonde hair denotes youthfulness and fertility. Neither of the 2 ladies posing with Jason Statham are in the least beautiful, they are average white chicks with blonde hair, is all. The chemically aquired blondness gives them a boost, but it is a false one. Deception is a female wile.

    I’d let either one of them eat crackers in my bed.

  66. @reiner Tor
    He's been vegetarian for a long time now. Vegetarianism might not be good for your health. He's less than 70.

    Vegetarianism might not be good for your health. He’s less than 70.

    I’d really like to see some studies breaking down the health benefits/detriments by gender. Based on anecdotal evidence, female vegetarians look great and male vegetarians look like AIDS patients.

  67. When I grew up in the East, Persians had a specific look olive skinned (sabz) with dark hair and dark eyes (prominent nose) with a minority on the lighter side.

    Then around early-mid naughties there came a huge wave of well-to-do Persians studying in London from directly from Iran. I was shocked to see that a vast proportion (plurality) had a new “Northern” (Caspian-Azeri) look of much lighter colours.

    I thought nothjng of yet but then a friend from Kerman (sort of central-south Iran, the heartland of the Persian people) once randomly exclaimed to me “is it just me or are the new generation of Iranians much whiter?”

    Post-revolution the country became much more integrated and the different regions started mixing; the old olive skinned Persian look (which even the Zoroastrians of Yazd sported) became increasingly diluted with mixture of the north (and the Azeri/Caspians of North Iran are particularly fair though ironically the Azeris of Azerbaijan are said to have a more Olive look).

    This could be sexual selection on a mass scale in a generation or so. This of course happens in Latin American and especially Pakistan (as you scale up you marry light) but also in Iran the same general principles are operating (rich southerners marrying pale northerners in Tehran).

  68. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Allah and sodom, what new London is all about.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/08/london-buses-declare-glory-allah/

    Btw, whatever happened to Nicholas Wade and Troublesome Inheritance.

    Maybe lack of overly hostile reaction buried it.

    Despite the controversy, Bell Curve has entered the contemporary pantheon on discussion of sociology/biology cuz it stirred up so much discussion.

    In contrast, Troublesome Inheritance was buried by polite disagreement by MSM.

    Say BELL CURVE, and people know the book even if they disagree with it.

    Mention Troublesome Inheritance, and it’s like… huh?

  69. OT, but congratulations to Razib for bucking the NOWAG (NOWIG?) stereotype and selecting a nice gori, maybe his kids will look like Greeks.

  70. In the fullness of time, truth will out, even very embarrassing truth.

    One thing that this result is making obvious is that the truth of ongoing, and significant, selection in human groups is going to be verified from many angles, not just one. The most direct approach of course is to find the set of alleles that lie behind, say, IQ, and show that they are differentially distributed across human groups. Another way is now to show that in certain groups certain areas of the genome connected with IQ show signs of recent selection. I have little doubt that there will other methods to come to the same sort of conclusions.

    There will come a time, likely within 5 years from what I’ve been hearing, in which it will be as discreditable for a geneticist or evolutionary biologist to dispute these conclusions as it became for physicists early in the 20th century to dispute the theory of relativity.

    Which brings to mind the disgraceful letter sent to the NY Times by a number of geneticists and evolutionary biologists denouncing Nicholas Wade:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/books/review/letters-a-troublesome-inheritance.html?_r=0

    How will the signatories of this letter look come this new paradigm? Very much like those dogmatic physicists who rejected relativity. It may be that the single thing they are best remembered for is this disgraceful act of ignorance and suppression: they will be laughingstocks for the ages, a lesson taught to children to warn them of the dangers of ideology and dogmatism.

    It really is time for them to get on the other side of this before their reputation and legacies are beyond repair.

  71. @SFG
    Creepy.

    1. He had a quadruple bypass after surgery. All those burgers caught up with him.

    2. He may very well have other health problems--they say Hillary had a stroke, though she seems to be doing well enough from the way she attacks Bernie.

    3. Liches don't suck life energy, they avoid death by hiding their souls in their phylacteries.

    A quadruple bypass IS the surgery, not something you get after surgery. This in itself is quite hard on the body but he apparently had complications after the surgery – he didn’t really fully recover from it. Some people do OK after the surgery and are able to more or less resume their former lives and some people are never quite the same again. Clinton is in the latter category. The way the heart surgeons keep score, if you survive the surgery, it is a “success” for them. They don’t make any promises as to what kind of shape you will be in afterward.

    Being a vegan isn’t that great for your appearance either. It’s hard to get enough iron in your diet without red meat and without it people tend to look pale and anemic. Also having a little fat on you makes you look better as an older man – the wrinkles show less.

    Bill also has rosacea which creates that horrible looking redness around his eyes and nose.

    We are used to seeing celebrity photos that are posed, with makeup and airbrushing and proper lighting, so a brutal flash photo like that is going to be shocking in comparison. In the old days kings used to get their portraits painted and the guy in the painting always looked a lot better and younger than actual man.

  72. @Hapalong Cassidy
    She's rather flat-chested and has a weird face. Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't do better.

    Modern fashion modeling favors a certain look (anorexic) which does not include buxom women. Thin but buxom women are usually produced by artificial means. Because of her sub-specialty (lingerie modeling) she is actually less flat chested than most models – in one of the photos she is wearing a dress that makes her look flatter than she really is. In addition to being very thin, they tend to have strangely elongated bone structure, which look good in fashion photos. She has a neck like a giraffe and when she gets older it will look horrid. She may not be your “type” but the market values her kind of beauty highly.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    And this is an old iSteve thing... the powers in the fashion world are mostly gay. So they choose boyish/mannish fashion models.
  73. Beware Rosamund Pike – she’s a gay-maker:

    Her love life seems to have been unlucky.

    Her previous boyfriend, actor Simon Woods, whom she met at Oxford and went out with for two years, turned out to be gay – he is now with Christopher Bailey, the creative director of Burberry.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Send her to my house and I will take my chances.
  74. Why haven’t women in Africa (where human evolution has had millions of years to act) evolved to look more like Rosie? I’m not joking. If men prefer lighter mates (and we certainly see this with successful black men in the US) why hasn’t there been this kind of drift in Africa?

    • Replies: @Mark Eugenikos
    I'm no expert in evolutionary biology, but from what I understand reading these pages, in Africa women do the work and hence women are providers and as providers they pick the mates. So there is selection for how their boyfriends look, not how they (the women) look.
    , @Sean
    If there is a girl for every boy it balances out, because the last boy to get a girl still gets one. In monogamy, whereby a man can't support / culturally is not allowed more than one woman, then girls are in total competition for the best man/ provider. (If for some reason there are 3 girls for every boy and monogamy, then girls are in competition not just for the best man but ANY man, and genes for girls to attract a husband will spread rapidly).


    Food is easier to come by in the tropics and in garden agriculture women do the work, while polygyny means a woman can get a man who is already taken, so men are always available to women in Africa because they share. However because some men have mutiple wives other end up with none and are excluded from reproduction. So in Africa the genes being selected are those enabling men to attract women
    , @anon
    balancing selection

    you need dark skin in the tropics so that outweighs other factors

    as you go further north you stop needing dark skin
  75. @Nico
    I have found taller women (5'10" and over) are very open and non-hung-up about shorter guys (I am not particularly short, not particularly tall) and that if I get past the initial hang-up this puts me at ease, as well. At some point shorter men need to man up and accept that insisting on woman shorter than themselves with heels is cutting the crop too thin (as is the case for most silly dating hangups), and, well, taller women looking for men taller than they are are going to be looking for quite some time...

    Agree completely.

  76. @Jack D
    Why haven't women in Africa (where human evolution has had millions of years to act) evolved to look more like Rosie? I'm not joking. If men prefer lighter mates (and we certainly see this with successful black men in the US) why hasn't there been this kind of drift in Africa?

    I’m no expert in evolutionary biology, but from what I understand reading these pages, in Africa women do the work and hence women are providers and as providers they pick the mates. So there is selection for how their boyfriends look, not how they (the women) look.

  77. @MEH 0910
    I found Rosamund Pike's voice and face disturbing in Gone Girl. Maybe that's merely good acting.

    It was good acting. If you see her in other movies or interviews she comes across as glamorous, not disturbing as in Gone Girl.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Agree. Gone Girl was pretty good.
  78. I’m still irritated at myself for wasting hours of my life reading Guns, Germs and Steel in its entirely based on the recommendation of friends, when it should have been obvious to me from Chapter One that it was just so much left-wing propaganda.

    • Replies: @anon
    Although overall "Guns, Germs and Steel" is a politically motivated lie there is still alot of truth in it imo. A lot of the genetic stuff is a result of random geographical flukes.
  79. @km
    Except Rosie is genetically around 1/4 Ashkenazi. So yes and no.

    She’s actually 3/8 Ashkenazi.

  80. Kylie says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    “And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie’s attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?”

    You mean besides the fact that he’s very masculine and sexy as hell?

    Not my type*. I saw him in some action or crime flick my husband rented. All I remember about the movie is that he was in it but I did watch it all the way through.

    *He’s no Joe Pesci.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Stratham was some shade of dirty blond himself when he used to have hair. Google his pictures as a young diver for the UK (no homo).
    , @Anonym
    You really like that Macaroni meatball?
  81. Immigrant from former USSR [AKA "Florida Resident"] says:

    Mr. Sailer:
    Absolutely out of topic, but … .
    I stopped reading National Review after defenestration of Derbyshire.
    However, I was interested during 2016 Presidential campaign, what are they saying now. Victor Davis Hanson published at NRO on 2016_05_09 this:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435138/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-conservatives-never-trump-2016
    Citation from the end of the article:

    Amid that dilemma, my suggestion is to curb the hysteria about “Never Trump,” while watching him closely over the rest of the spring and early summer, in the context of assessing, not whether he is a humane and principled conservative, but whether he is, as alleged by some conservatives, really less conservative and less humane than Hillary Clinton.
    The Reagan horse left the 2016 conservative barn many months ago, and it is coming to be time to pause and assess whether we are really left with only two bad choices — or with a bad Trump and a far, far worse Clinton.
    If it is the latter, then it is an easy choice in November.

    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    In addition.
    I am not very much surprised that Hanson wrote this rather peace-making article.
    I liked his book "Mexifornia".
    What I did not expect is that NRO would publish article of that content.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    VDH has an excellent column today on how BHO paved the way for Trump.
    https://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/obamas-gift-to-trump/?singlepage=true
  82. @Erik Sieven
    I would like to have list of people in important positions who should say sorry first when in a few years there is a almost not deniable proof of racial IQ differences. For example half a dozen of people who prominently smeared Watson, half a dozen of those people who wrote this letter, half a dozen of people who criticized Sarrazin on grounds of false assumptions. Some important public science presenters, who spread the falsehoods.
    Probably this will never happen, thats not how humans work, but still it would be great.

    Anybody can put online such an infamous list. For instance, Vox Day and his followers have posted online a wiki of Social Justice Warriors who have carried out personal attacks on dissenters. Just so we know.

  83. @Immigrant from former USSR
    Mr. Sailer:
    Absolutely out of topic, but ... .
    I stopped reading National Review after defenestration of Derbyshire.
    However, I was interested during 2016 Presidential campaign, what are they saying now. Victor Davis Hanson published at NRO on 2016_05_09 this:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435138/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-conservatives-never-trump-2016
    Citation from the end of the article:

    Amid that dilemma, my suggestion is to curb the hysteria about “Never Trump,” while watching him closely over the rest of the spring and early summer, in the context of assessing, not whether he is a humane and principled conservative, but whether he is, as alleged by some conservatives, really less conservative and less humane than Hillary Clinton.
    The Reagan horse left the 2016 conservative barn many months ago, and it is coming to be time to pause and assess whether we are really left with only two bad choices — or with a bad Trump and a far, far worse Clinton.
    If it is the latter, then it is an easy choice in November.
     

    In addition.
    I am not very much surprised that Hanson wrote this rather peace-making article.
    I liked his book “Mexifornia”.
    What I did not expect is that NRO would publish article of that content.

  84. @Kylie
    "And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie’s attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?"

    You mean besides the fact that he's very masculine and sexy as hell?

    Not my type*. I saw him in some action or crime flick my husband rented. All I remember about the movie is that he was in it but I did watch it all the way through.

    *He's no Joe Pesci.

    Stratham was some shade of dirty blond himself when he used to have hair. Google his pictures as a young diver for the UK (no homo).

  85. @Marcus
    Brits (including Irish) seem to have more swarthy types than other Northern Europeans though, EEF farmer admixture was stronger in NW than in Central Europe. BTW Whiteley is at least part Jewish, so maybe she's not the best example.

    I always thought among Brits men tended to have lighter hair than women. Might just be because men spend more time outdoors, but it could have something to do with the Viking/Saxon genes mainly coming through on the male side.

    Where I live (South) there are hardly any naturally blond adult women. Lots of peroxide and dark eyebrows though. I don’t think a single woman in my extended family is blond, though there are a few guys who are kinda dark blond.

    Of course the definition of blond is relative. What I call brown hair a lot of people call blond. On some liberal website the commenters even described Melania Trump as a blond.

    Taylor Swift and Amanda Seyfried are the best examples of celebrities who are obviously natural blondes.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    My Scots-Irish (redneck) family mostly have black hair. They could easily pass as Italians, Serbs, or w/e. The Atlantid phenotype is most common in the "Celtic" areas (think Sean Connery or Colin Farrell), but are found throughout England as well. Some notable examples: Alastair Cook, Victoria Beckham, Rowan Atkinson, and Dominic Cooper (he has played Mehmet II and Saddam's son Uday).
  86. @JohnnyWalker123
    This is what Bill Clinton looks like now.

    https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/status/729109868771041281

    This is what Bill Clinton looks like now

    .

    Wow, that’s bad. Don’t know whether that’s a particularly bad pic or not.

    Clinton has a decade on peak-boomers like Steve and I, but he looks years older than that–more like late 70s. I don’t expect to keep looking like Jason Statham–who in turn has a decade (in youth) on me. But I think i’m going to look better than that at 70.

    ~~
    BTW it would be nice to elect presidents who are fully mature and experienced but not geriatrics. We’ve swung wildly between the young and callow, Clinton, Obama–with W, just callow–sandwiched in between. And these geriatrics alternatives, Reagan–who checked out during his 2nd term; Dole and McCain if elected; and now either Hillary or Trump. Trump has terrific energy for someone hitting 70 next month, but he’s an outlier. I realize 70 is the new 60 or something … but reality doesn’t actually quite work that way.

    I’d like to stick to guys–yes guys!–who are in their 50s, maybe stretching to Eisenhower’s 62, with a record of accomplishment and common sense, but also still some trace of youth and vigor. You want a guy who would still *like* to and *could* bang his secretary really good but had the sense discipline not to do it.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Well, there's this thing called Viagra or Ciallis which allows old geezers to bang their secretaries.
    , @Bill

    BTW it would be nice to elect presidents who are fully mature and experienced but not geriatrics.
     
    I dunno. I've been looking back at 10 years younger me and saying "What an idiot" pretty much since I was 10, and I'm middle aged. At what age does that stop happening?
  87. @Anonymous Nephew
    Certainly when I had a child at an English private school (wealthier parents than average) there seemed to be more blonde girls in his class than the UK average. More blonde mothers too at school events. Blondes being the gold standard for most men (all else being equal) that's not surprising.

    Does hair colour get mentioned much in novels, poems and literature going back? Jane Austen (for example) was an acute observer of what made a girl marriageable, but I don't recall much emphasis being put on hair colour - then again I don't recall much emphasis being put on height or figure either.

    Some time ago, I read an essay about how blondes became popular in America. The author noted that in the 19th century the most commonly mentioned hair color for a woman described as attractive was “auburn.” Auburn hair and hazel eyes were considered the best combination. Blondes were farmer’s daughters, maids or au pair girls, if they were mentioned at all.
    But this changed with the advent of the movies, in particular with Irving Thalberg’s promotion of Jean Harlow, the original “blonde bombshell,” who became immensely popular with audiences. Thereafter, it became common for screen actresses to lighten their hair color, the most famous to do that, of course, being Marylin Monroe, whose natural hair color seems to have been a sort of auburn–just the color that would have been most attractive in the olden days!
    It’s interesting to me that–if, in fact, the Thalberg/Harlow influence is real–two people who had very short lives were able to massively redirect the sexual selection preferences of their whole country, possibly even the entire western world, and perhaps even to the extent that natural blondes have become more reproductively successful (accomplished, high-IQ men preferring them as mates), thus gradually changing the physical look of the upper classes.
    Talk about your butterfly effects….

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Hair dyes improved over the course of the 20th Century.
  88. @AnotherDad


    This is what Bill Clinton looks like now
     
    .

    Wow, that's bad. Don't know whether that's a particularly bad pic or not.

    Clinton has a decade on peak-boomers like Steve and I, but he looks years older than that--more like late 70s. I don't expect to keep looking like Jason Statham--who in turn has a decade (in youth) on me. But I think i'm going to look better than that at 70.

    ~~
    BTW it would be nice to elect presidents who are fully mature and experienced but not geriatrics. We've swung wildly between the young and callow, Clinton, Obama--with W, just callow--sandwiched in between. And these geriatrics alternatives, Reagan--who checked out during his 2nd term; Dole and McCain if elected; and now either Hillary or Trump. Trump has terrific energy for someone hitting 70 next month, but he's an outlier. I realize 70 is the new 60 or something ... but reality doesn't actually quite work that way.

    I'd like to stick to guys--yes guys!--who are in their 50s, maybe stretching to Eisenhower's 62, with a record of accomplishment and common sense, but also still some trace of youth and vigor. You want a guy who would still *like* to and *could* bang his secretary really good but had the sense discipline not to do it.

    Well, there’s this thing called Viagra or Ciallis which allows old geezers to bang their secretaries.

  89. Sean says:
    @Jack D
    Why haven't women in Africa (where human evolution has had millions of years to act) evolved to look more like Rosie? I'm not joking. If men prefer lighter mates (and we certainly see this with successful black men in the US) why hasn't there been this kind of drift in Africa?

    If there is a girl for every boy it balances out, because the last boy to get a girl still gets one. In monogamy, whereby a man can’t support / culturally is not allowed more than one woman, then girls are in total competition for the best man/ provider. (If for some reason there are 3 girls for every boy and monogamy, then girls are in competition not just for the best man but ANY man, and genes for girls to attract a husband will spread rapidly).

    Food is easier to come by in the tropics and in garden agriculture women do the work, while polygyny means a woman can get a man who is already taken, so men are always available to women in Africa because they share. However because some men have mutiple wives other end up with none and are excluded from reproduction. So in Africa the genes being selected are those enabling men to attract women

  90. Detection of recent natural selection is a challenging problem in population genetics, as standard methods generally integrate over long timescales.

    I think I’ve detected it.

    (Teaching migrants how to pick up German girls)

  91. @Whoever
    Some time ago, I read an essay about how blondes became popular in America. The author noted that in the 19th century the most commonly mentioned hair color for a woman described as attractive was "auburn." Auburn hair and hazel eyes were considered the best combination. Blondes were farmer's daughters, maids or au pair girls, if they were mentioned at all.
    But this changed with the advent of the movies, in particular with Irving Thalberg's promotion of Jean Harlow, the original "blonde bombshell," who became immensely popular with audiences. Thereafter, it became common for screen actresses to lighten their hair color, the most famous to do that, of course, being Marylin Monroe, whose natural hair color seems to have been a sort of auburn--just the color that would have been most attractive in the olden days!
    It's interesting to me that--if, in fact, the Thalberg/Harlow influence is real--two people who had very short lives were able to massively redirect the sexual selection preferences of their whole country, possibly even the entire western world, and perhaps even to the extent that natural blondes have become more reproductively successful (accomplished, high-IQ men preferring them as mates), thus gradually changing the physical look of the upper classes.
    Talk about your butterfly effects....

    Hair dyes improved over the course of the 20th Century.

    • Replies: @Whoever

    Hair dyes improved over the course of the 20th Century.
     
    (☉_☉)
    File under NSS.
    (^_^)

    Real blondes have blue, gray or greenish eyes. Their skin tone matches their hair color, with, when untanned, strawberries and cream complexions. No bottle blonde, especially the common suicide blonde (dyed by her own hand!), will have these attributes and thus can easily be spotted.
    There are no brown-eyed blondes--Razib Khan even had a post titled, "The Myth of the Brown-eyed Blonde." There are no olive-skinned true blondes.
    True blondes often use eyebrow pencil, eye shadow and mascara to highlight their eyes and help them stand out from an otherwise bland face/hair combo.
    As an aside, it's been my--unscientific, anecdotal--impression that true blondes have milder, more placid and accommodating personalities than others. So the fiery "blonde" with a hair-trigger temper, or the life-of-the-party "blonde," or the pushy, manipulative "blonde" is probably not a real blonde.
    Raymond Chandler has an oft-quoted description of types of blondes in The Long Good-bye:


    “There are blondes and blondes and it is almost a joke word nowadays.
    All blondes have their points, except perhaps the metallic ones who are as blond as a Zulu under the bleach and as to disposition as soft as a sidewalk.
    There is the small cute blonde who cheeps and twitters, and the big statuesque blonde who straight-arms you with an ice-blue glare.
    There is the blonde who gives you the up-from-under look and smells lovely and shimmers and hangs on your arm and is always very tired when you take her home. She makes that helpless gesture and has that goddamned headache and you would like to slug her except that you are glad you found out about the headache before you invested too much time and money and hope in her. Because the headache will always be there, a weapon that never wears out and is as deadly as the bravo’s rapier or Lucretia poison vial.
    There is the soft and willing and alcoholic blonde who doesn’t care what she wears as long as it is mink or where she goes as long as it is the Starlight Roof and there is plenty of dry champagne.
    There is the small perky blonde who is a little pal and wants to pay her own way and is full of sunshine and common sense and knows judo from the ground up and can toss a truck driver over her shoulder without missing more than one sentence out of the editorial in The Saturday Review.
    There is the pale, pale blonde with anemia of some non-fatal but incurable type. She is very languid and very shadowy and she speaks softly out of nowhere and you can’t lay a finger on her because in the first place you don’t want to and in the second place she is reading The Waste Land or Dante in the original, or Kafka or Kierkegaard or studying Provençal. She adores music and when the New York Philharmonic is playing Hindemith she can tell you which one of the six bass viols came in a quarter of a beat too late. I hear Toscanini can also. That makes two of them.
    And lastly there is the gorgeous show piece who will outlast three kingpin racketeers and then marry a couple of millionaires at a million a head and end up with a pale rose villa at Cap Antibes, an Alfa-Romeo town car complete with pilot and co-pilot, and a stable of shopworn aristocrats, all of whom she will treat with the affectionate absent-mindedness of an elderly duke saying goodnight to his butler.”

     

  92. Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says: • Website

    With all the black Africa and Pakistani immigration to UK, the future look of Brits will be
    Blakistani.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Yes, exactly. I mentioned on another thread a NYTimes article about descendants of Confederate refugees in Brazil. One of the illustratives photo was of a light brown woman in a hoop skirt visiting her Confederate ancestor's grave. I'm sure said ancestor was spinning in it at the time, but you couldn't see that part in the photo since he's six feet under.

    Supposedly half the population of Brazil has African ancestry but I'm guessing that's just the percentage that has no hope of "passing" and the standards for "passing" are way lower in Brazil than they are in the US. People we would say "no way" to in the US, in Brazil are "close enough".

    Speaking of Brazil, I'm surprised that Steve hasn't been speaking of Brazil - there's quite a circus going on there with accusations of corruption against the ex-Marxist guerilla President, an impeachment going on, etc. Just the kind of stuff the future Brazil of the North can look forward to.

  93. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    You do understand that she’s in heels and is 175 to his 178 without them right? Also that most women don’t choose mates based purely on sex appeal?

  94. @S. anonyia
    I always thought among Brits men tended to have lighter hair than women. Might just be because men spend more time outdoors, but it could have something to do with the Viking/Saxon genes mainly coming through on the male side.

    Where I live (South) there are hardly any naturally blond adult women. Lots of peroxide and dark eyebrows though. I don't think a single woman in my extended family is blond, though there are a few guys who are kinda dark blond.

    Of course the definition of blond is relative. What I call brown hair a lot of people call blond. On some liberal website the commenters even described Melania Trump as a blond.


    Taylor Swift and Amanda Seyfried are the best examples of celebrities who are obviously natural blondes.

    My Scots-Irish (redneck) family mostly have black hair. They could easily pass as Italians, Serbs, or w/e. The Atlantid phenotype is most common in the “Celtic” areas (think Sean Connery or Colin Farrell), but are found throughout England as well. Some notable examples: Alastair Cook, Victoria Beckham, Rowan Atkinson, and Dominic Cooper (he has played Mehmet II and Saddam’s son Uday).

  95. @neutral

    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie’s attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?
     
    Are you being serious here ? In case you don't know and are not joking, having lots of money provides men with power and the means to support children, this is a great evolutionary benefit signal that women seek out. Besides that, Statham may be bald, but he is the muscular testosterone bald type, something that does not generally repulse females either (but by far the fame and his money is the major factor).

    The older man, younger woman meme makes sense too.

    He gets greater fertility, she gets a track record of proven provision.

    • Replies: @Abby
    Perhaps not for any offspring:
    http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/01/science/research-on-birth-defects-shifts-to-flaws-in-sperm.html
  96. @Priss Factor
    With all the black Africa and Pakistani immigration to UK, the future look of Brits will be
    Blakistani.

    Yes, exactly. I mentioned on another thread a NYTimes article about descendants of Confederate refugees in Brazil. One of the illustratives photo was of a light brown woman in a hoop skirt visiting her Confederate ancestor’s grave. I’m sure said ancestor was spinning in it at the time, but you couldn’t see that part in the photo since he’s six feet under.

    Supposedly half the population of Brazil has African ancestry but I’m guessing that’s just the percentage that has no hope of “passing” and the standards for “passing” are way lower in Brazil than they are in the US. People we would say “no way” to in the US, in Brazil are “close enough”.

    Speaking of Brazil, I’m surprised that Steve hasn’t been speaking of Brazil – there’s quite a circus going on there with accusations of corruption against the ex-Marxist guerilla President, an impeachment going on, etc. Just the kind of stuff the future Brazil of the North can look forward to.

    • Replies: @neon2
    Re Brazil at the moment: my candidate for next president (or, better, dictator) is Jair Bolsonaro.
    And he's got three equally charismatic sons; with luck, the Bolsonaros could rule for decades.
    , @Jefferson
    "Supposedly half the population of Brazil has African ancestry but I’m guessing that’s just the percentage that has no hope of “passing” and the standards for “passing” are way lower in Brazil than they are in the US. People we would say “no way” to in the US, in Brazil are “close enough”.

    The standards for passing are bottom of the barrel in The U.S when you factor in that The U.S census lumps in all North Africans, all Middle Easterners, and most Latinos including Brazilians into the White category.

    That is why you have articles written by some pro-open borders people trying to assure Whites calming their fears by saying that White people will never become a racial Minority in The U.S because the census definition of "White" is so broad.
  97. Ahhh, the Joys of Die-versity continue to resonate in Ye Olde London Towne.

    http://www.eater.com/2016/5/9/11640832/peanut-allergy-restaurant-death-trial

    Restaurant owner Mohammed Zaman, repeatedly told to warn patrons that he was using peanut powder — it was cheaper, you see — did nothing. One Paul Wilson died as a result after eating his takeaway that had “no nuts” written on the lid.

    Oh, Zaman was also using illegal labor. Shocking!!

    Zaman blamed others when he was interviewed by police and “took no personal responsibility”, Mr Wright said.

    Wow, no kidding! You mean one of our glorious immigrants has zero sense of personal responsibility and puts profits over people’s lives?? NO way!

  98. At the 2006 American Renaissance Conference, Phillipe Rushton made mention that one important trait for human sexual selection was earlobes. He wasn’t sure how the science behind it works, just that earlobes were an important component for sexual selection among humans.

    So perhaps Strathan based his choice in part on Rosie’s earlobes.

    • Replies: @neon2
    I for one always shy away like a frightened horse from anyone without earlobes.
    "Degenerate!" it screams at me.
  99. Except that the average Brit looks far from Jason Statham and his girlfrind. This article proves what? That there are some handsome/beautiful British people? You can find beautiful people in all ethnic groups. The average British woman looks much more like Camilla Parker Bowles than Jason Statham’s girlfriend.

    Also, latter sexual maturation in women and not men? One of the biggest constants in biology is that females sexually mature much faster than males. This is especially true among mammals such as humans: the average age of menarch for girls is around 11 compared to the age of semenarch of 14 in boys. That is, girls sexually mature a massive 3 years faster than boys. The average 13 year-old girl can have kids and has roughly reached her adult height. Conversely, the average 13 year-old boy doesen’t even have pubic hair.

    • Replies: @anon

    Except that the average Brit looks far from Jason Statham and his girlfrind. This article proves what?
     
    That there was selection for better looks from whatever base line it started at - maybe the baseline in Britain was atrocious, like lots of half neanderthals running about.

    This is especially true among mammals such as humans: the average age of menarch for girls is around 11 compared to the age of semenarch of 14 in boys.
     
    According to wiki it's gone down in Britain since the industrial revolution and used to be 16.

    One of the biggest constants in biology is that females sexually mature much faster than males.
     
    So maybe caused by artificial cultural selection (e.g. by sending sexually active girls off to convents) which might set reproduction below Malthusian limits thus increasing surplus thus allowing all sorts of good stuff to happen.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    It is all a question of class.
    The lower orders (except true country people) are uniformly hideous over the whole of England, Wales, and Scotland.
    The middle classes are a mix, with good looks ever more present as one ascends the ladder from lower-middle to upper-middle. Also the more established the family's class rank, the finer looking its members will be.
    The established, historic upper class is no different than the upper-middles, with whom in any case they have been marrying for generations. Exceptions, that is, the occasional ugly or odd-looking person, will be the result of too much cousin marriage, a habit which reached its apogee just before the Great War, when ducal families, say, were beginning to marry for choice only within their own necessarily very restricted gene pool. "Chinless wonders" were the result.
  100. @Jack D
    Modern fashion modeling favors a certain look (anorexic) which does not include buxom women. Thin but buxom women are usually produced by artificial means. Because of her sub-specialty (lingerie modeling) she is actually less flat chested than most models - in one of the photos she is wearing a dress that makes her look flatter than she really is. In addition to being very thin, they tend to have strangely elongated bone structure, which look good in fashion photos. She has a neck like a giraffe and when she gets older it will look horrid. She may not be your "type" but the market values her kind of beauty highly.

    And this is an old iSteve thing… the powers in the fashion world are mostly gay. So they choose boyish/mannish fashion models.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Exactly. My wife and I have both remarked on how flat-chested many of the models are -- either naturally or as a result of being too skinny. This does not reflect the attractions and tastes of normal heterosexual men, but those of the confused perverts who run Hollywood and do casting for commercials, ads, etc.
  101. @Kylie
    "And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie’s attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?"

    You mean besides the fact that he's very masculine and sexy as hell?

    Not my type*. I saw him in some action or crime flick my husband rented. All I remember about the movie is that he was in it but I did watch it all the way through.

    *He's no Joe Pesci.

    You really like that Macaroni meatball?

  102. @km
    Except Rosie is genetically around 1/4 Ashkenazi. So yes and no.

    Ashkenazi have also been selecting for lighter features, not to mention height and lactose tolerance. Just not for as long as most other northern european groups. Their ancestry is mostly old Levantine and North Italian/South French, but they are lighter featured that you’d expect.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    We'll be able to check theories of Ashkenazi selection pretty shortly.
    , @Jefferson
    "Ashkenazi have also been selecting for lighter features, not to mention height and lactose tolerance. Just not for as long as most other northern european groups. Their ancestry is mostly old Levantine and North Italian/South French, but they are lighter featured that you’d expect."

    Stormfront guys who think Jason Statham's wife is hot, this what their reaction would be once they find out she is Jewish.
    https://youtu.be/alPQgx7SGms

    On Stormfront everytime they lust over a Jewish actress who they had mistaken for a "regular White", they react like Ace Ventura did when he finds out the woman he made out with is actually a Tranny.

    The worst thing you can do on Stormfront is lust over a Jewish woman. On Stormfront that is considered worst than pedophilia.

    Stormfront is Jewish hatred on steroids.

  103. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    PC sure is hilarious.

    Muslim mayor of London and a man arrested for stupid dog trick.

    Send the man to obedience along with the dog. Teach both to roll over at the word ‘Mandela’ and ‘Sam Smith’.

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/09/man-arrested-after-teaching-pug-to-do-a-nazi-salute-when-it-heard-the-words-sieg-heil-5870354/

    Oh, poor babies.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3579086/Oxford-law-students-fragile-hear-violent-crime-Undergraduates-given-trigger-warnings-traumatic-material.html

  104. @Anonym
    And this is an old iSteve thing... the powers in the fashion world are mostly gay. So they choose boyish/mannish fashion models.

    Exactly. My wife and I have both remarked on how flat-chested many of the models are — either naturally or as a result of being too skinny. This does not reflect the attractions and tastes of normal heterosexual men, but those of the confused perverts who run Hollywood and do casting for commercials, ads, etc.

  105. @Michelle
    Most white girls who are blond whilst young become dishwater, ashy blondes, as they get older. Thus, light blonde hair denotes youthfulness and fertility. Neither of the 2 ladies posing with Jason Statham are in the least beautiful, they are average white chicks with blonde hair, is all. The chemically aquired blondness gives them a boost, but it is a false one. Deception is a female wile.

    Neither of the 2 ladies posing with Jason Statham are in the least beautiful, they are average white chicks with blonde hair, is all.

    I think that’s the point – if you’re average or above then something that gets you noticed is a bonus.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Michelle's trolling or deluded. Rosie is beautiful. Which by itself is not terribly rare, but it gets a lot rarer at her height, because a) few women are that tall, and b) of the women who are that tall, few are both beautiful and thin.

    Beautiful, thin, and tall is a rare combo, which is why models who are all three make a lot of money.
  106. @Thomas
    OT: Obama and Julian Castro's plan to "Fergusonize" the suburbs on the way out the door.

    "Obama’s last act is to force suburbs to be less white and less wealthy" NY Post

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/

    Help out liberal gentrifiers, punish Republican suburbs and exurbs. What's not to like?

    stealth pogrom

  107. @George
    "accelerated recent human evolution"

    How about accelerated human devolution? Maybe as the plunder from the Empire flowed into Britain the traits being selected for were purely aesthetic like hair and eye color. So eventually you end up importing a short swarthy type from Pakistan to run the British capital because the tall blond aristocrats can't handle it. Londinistan mayor Sadiq Khan is simply the fulfillment of a genetic law. Allahu Akbar.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution_(biology)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devo

    because the tall blond aristocrats can’t handle it

    the ethnic cleansing of the UK is the result of Jewish activism

  108. @Marcus
    Brits (including Irish) seem to have more swarthy types than other Northern Europeans though, EEF farmer admixture was stronger in NW than in Central Europe. BTW Whiteley is at least part Jewish, so maybe she's not the best example.

    Maybe that’s the reason for the selection – darker original population and a newer lighter elite creating a fashion preference to look more like them?

    • Agree: Marcus
  109. A few years back there was a competition to judge the most beautfull face in Britain. The winnder was 18 year old Florence Colgate . It is said there is a scientific reason for this ; that her face shows close to optimal propotions and symmetry.

    She is Blonde and Blue eyed.
    http://sfglobe.com/2015/03/19/florence-colgate-has-the-most-beautiful-face-in-the-world-scientifically/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2132896/Florence-Colgate-Girl-Britains-beautiful-face.html

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    I'll see your Florence Colgate and raise you Olivia's posh half-sister, Gabriella Wilde.

    http://www.imdb.com/media/rm977386752/nm3538539?ref_=nm_phs_md_2#
  110. @Jack D
    Why haven't women in Africa (where human evolution has had millions of years to act) evolved to look more like Rosie? I'm not joking. If men prefer lighter mates (and we certainly see this with successful black men in the US) why hasn't there been this kind of drift in Africa?

    balancing selection

    you need dark skin in the tropics so that outweighs other factors

    as you go further north you stop needing dark skin

  111. @Sue D. Nim
    Beware Rosamund Pike - she's a gay-maker:

    Her love life seems to have been unlucky.

    Her previous boyfriend, actor Simon Woods, whom she met at Oxford and went out with for two years, turned out to be gay - he is now with Christopher Bailey, the creative director of Burberry.

    Send her to my house and I will take my chances.

  112. @I, Libertine
    I'm still irritated at myself for wasting hours of my life reading Guns, Germs and Steel in its entirely based on the recommendation of friends, when it should have been obvious to me from Chapter One that it was just so much left-wing propaganda.

    Although overall “Guns, Germs and Steel” is a politically motivated lie there is still alot of truth in it imo. A lot of the genetic stuff is a result of random geographical flukes.

  113. @Mark Eugenikos
    It was good acting. If you see her in other movies or interviews she comes across as glamorous, not disturbing as in Gone Girl.

    Agree. Gone Girl was pretty good.

  114. @Immigrant from former USSR
    Mr. Sailer:
    Absolutely out of topic, but ... .
    I stopped reading National Review after defenestration of Derbyshire.
    However, I was interested during 2016 Presidential campaign, what are they saying now. Victor Davis Hanson published at NRO on 2016_05_09 this:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435138/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-conservatives-never-trump-2016
    Citation from the end of the article:

    Amid that dilemma, my suggestion is to curb the hysteria about “Never Trump,” while watching him closely over the rest of the spring and early summer, in the context of assessing, not whether he is a humane and principled conservative, but whether he is, as alleged by some conservatives, really less conservative and less humane than Hillary Clinton.
    The Reagan horse left the 2016 conservative barn many months ago, and it is coming to be time to pause and assess whether we are really left with only two bad choices — or with a bad Trump and a far, far worse Clinton.
    If it is the latter, then it is an easy choice in November.
     

    VDH has an excellent column today on how BHO paved the way for Trump.
    https://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/obamas-gift-to-trump/?singlepage=true

    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    Dear Jim Don Bob:
    Thank you.
    Indeed, very informative and serious article by V. D. Hanson,
    to which you have referenced.
    What is interesting, he does not endorse Trump, but gives analysis of situation.
    Meanwhile, the quasi-capitulation of Paul Ryan, I think,
    is stimulated by his fear of being "Cantorized",
    i.e. being voted out in his congressional district.
    My best to you.
  115. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Nick Diaz
    Except that the average Brit looks far from Jason Statham and his girlfrind. This article proves what? That there are some handsome/beautiful British people? You can find beautiful people in all ethnic groups. The average British woman looks much more like Camilla Parker Bowles than Jason Statham's girlfriend.

    Also, latter sexual maturation in women and not men? One of the biggest constants in biology is that females sexually mature much faster than males. This is especially true among mammals such as humans: the average age of menarch for girls is around 11 compared to the age of semenarch of 14 in boys. That is, girls sexually mature a massive 3 years faster than boys. The average 13 year-old girl can have kids and has roughly reached her adult height. Conversely, the average 13 year-old boy doesen't even have pubic hair.

    Except that the average Brit looks far from Jason Statham and his girlfrind. This article proves what?

    That there was selection for better looks from whatever base line it started at – maybe the baseline in Britain was atrocious, like lots of half neanderthals running about.

    This is especially true among mammals such as humans: the average age of menarch for girls is around 11 compared to the age of semenarch of 14 in boys.

    According to wiki it’s gone down in Britain since the industrial revolution and used to be 16.

    One of the biggest constants in biology is that females sexually mature much faster than males.

    So maybe caused by artificial cultural selection (e.g. by sending sexually active girls off to convents) which might set reproduction below Malthusian limits thus increasing surplus thus allowing all sorts of good stuff to happen.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Or it may be caused by all the hormones and junk ending up in the food.
  116. Immigrant from former USSR [AKA "Florida Resident"] says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    VDH has an excellent column today on how BHO paved the way for Trump.
    https://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/obamas-gift-to-trump/?singlepage=true

    Dear Jim Don Bob:
    Thank you.
    Indeed, very informative and serious article by V. D. Hanson,
    to which you have referenced.
    What is interesting, he does not endorse Trump, but gives analysis of situation.
    Meanwhile, the quasi-capitulation of Paul Ryan, I think,
    is stimulated by his fear of being “Cantorized”,
    i.e. being voted out in his congressional district.
    My best to you.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Nothing would strike more fear into the R establishment than the election of Donald Trump -and- the Cantorization of Paul Ryan. I will do what I can to help both become a reality. These morons still have not gotten the message.

    Thank you Florida resident for your kind words. Just doing what I can as a aCw - American Citizenist Warrior, trademark applied for.

  117. @Lot
    Ashkenazi have also been selecting for lighter features, not to mention height and lactose tolerance. Just not for as long as most other northern european groups. Their ancestry is mostly old Levantine and North Italian/South French, but they are lighter featured that you'd expect.

    We’ll be able to check theories of Ashkenazi selection pretty shortly.

  118. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    >>> what is the genomic explanation for Rosie’s attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    actually, he’s the tallest man in the room…. when he’s standing on top of his wallet.

  119. @Immigrant from former USSR
    Dear Jim Don Bob:
    Thank you.
    Indeed, very informative and serious article by V. D. Hanson,
    to which you have referenced.
    What is interesting, he does not endorse Trump, but gives analysis of situation.
    Meanwhile, the quasi-capitulation of Paul Ryan, I think,
    is stimulated by his fear of being "Cantorized",
    i.e. being voted out in his congressional district.
    My best to you.

    Nothing would strike more fear into the R establishment than the election of Donald Trump -and- the Cantorization of Paul Ryan. I will do what I can to help both become a reality. These morons still have not gotten the message.

    Thank you Florida resident for your kind words. Just doing what I can as a aCw – American Citizenist Warrior, trademark applied for.

    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    I sent my $50.00 support to
    http://www.paulnehlen.com/
    competitor of Paul Ryan.
  120. Karl says:
    @SFG
    Creepy.

    1. He had a quadruple bypass after surgery. All those burgers caught up with him.

    2. He may very well have other health problems--they say Hillary had a stroke, though she seems to be doing well enough from the way she attacks Bernie.

    3. Liches don't suck life energy, they avoid death by hiding their souls in their phylacteries.

    >> though she seems to be doing well enough from the way she attacks Bernie

    Show me three (real, not political-writers) people who switched from Bernie to Hillary.

    Show me one?

    PS: Bernie did NOT fail to cut off Hillary at the knees….. he succeeded to cut off Elizabeth Warren at the knees.

    Bernie’s gonna do a SWPL version of Jessie Jackson’s post-Presidential-run career.

    Anyone have The Donald’s fax number? I want to tell him to select Ben Carson for Veep, and announce that Bernie will be his Secretary of the Treasury. That’s ALL of the white voters, and 95% of the blacks.

  121. @Anonymous Nephew
    Certainly when I had a child at an English private school (wealthier parents than average) there seemed to be more blonde girls in his class than the UK average. More blonde mothers too at school events. Blondes being the gold standard for most men (all else being equal) that's not surprising.

    Does hair colour get mentioned much in novels, poems and literature going back? Jane Austen (for example) was an acute observer of what made a girl marriageable, but I don't recall much emphasis being put on hair colour - then again I don't recall much emphasis being put on height or figure either.

    The only one I can recall is Harriet Smith in Emma:

    “She was a very pretty girl, and her beauty happened to be of a sort which Emma particularly admired. She was short, plump, and fair, with a fine bloom, blue eyes, light hair, regular features, and a look of great sweetness…”

  122. @anon

    Neither of the 2 ladies posing with Jason Statham are in the least beautiful, they are average white chicks with blonde hair, is all.
     
    I think that's the point - if you're average or above then something that gets you noticed is a bonus.

    Michelle’s trolling or deluded. Rosie is beautiful. Which by itself is not terribly rare, but it gets a lot rarer at her height, because a) few women are that tall, and b) of the women who are that tall, few are both beautiful and thin.

    Beautiful, thin, and tall is a rare combo, which is why models who are all three make a lot of money.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    And, because tall, thin women usually take steps to stay that way, they age particularly well. The Elle Macphersons and Christie Brinkleys (and my girlfriend) were lucky enough to be born with that genetic heritage, but were smart enough to work to maintain what they were given.
  123. @JohnnyWalker123
    This is what Bill Clinton looks like now.

    https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/status/729109868771041281

    Bill is a dead man walking. Or maybe an undead man. His Dorian Gray portrait is actually Thomas Gainsborough’s Blue Boy. Something in his trade with Lucifer at the crossroads went south, way way south.

    • Replies: @BB753
    I'm still betting Hillary croaks before Bill.
    , @neon2
    "something in his trade with lucifer at the crossroads went south, way way south".

    It always does - no exceptions.
  124. @Lot
    Ashkenazi have also been selecting for lighter features, not to mention height and lactose tolerance. Just not for as long as most other northern european groups. Their ancestry is mostly old Levantine and North Italian/South French, but they are lighter featured that you'd expect.

    “Ashkenazi have also been selecting for lighter features, not to mention height and lactose tolerance. Just not for as long as most other northern european groups. Their ancestry is mostly old Levantine and North Italian/South French, but they are lighter featured that you’d expect.”

    Stormfront guys who think Jason Statham’s wife is hot, this what their reaction would be once they find out she is Jewish.

    On Stormfront everytime they lust over a Jewish actress who they had mistaken for a “regular White”, they react like Ace Ventura did when he finds out the woman he made out with is actually a Tranny.

    The worst thing you can do on Stormfront is lust over a Jewish woman. On Stormfront that is considered worst than pedophilia.

    Stormfront is Jewish hatred on steroids.

  125. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Bill is a dead man walking. Or maybe an undead man. His Dorian Gray portrait is actually Thomas Gainsborough's Blue Boy. Something in his trade with Lucifer at the crossroads went south, way way south.

    I’m still betting Hillary croaks before Bill.

  126. @Jim Don Bob
    Nothing would strike more fear into the R establishment than the election of Donald Trump -and- the Cantorization of Paul Ryan. I will do what I can to help both become a reality. These morons still have not gotten the message.

    Thank you Florida resident for your kind words. Just doing what I can as a aCw - American Citizenist Warrior, trademark applied for.

    I sent my $50.00 support to
    http://www.paulnehlen.com/
    competitor of Paul Ryan.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I guess it's illegal for foreigners to do so. (I'm neither a US national nor a US resident.) But I'm still wishing Paul Ryan an epic defeat, even if there's no way I can help to make it happen.
  127. Increased cultural change would increase the novel selection pressures and thus speed up genetic evolution and diversification

    This means African-Americans are not like their roots. There’s hope still for Sub-Saharan Africa. /j

  128. @Immigrant from former USSR
    I sent my $50.00 support to
    http://www.paulnehlen.com/
    competitor of Paul Ryan.

    I guess it’s illegal for foreigners to do so. (I’m neither a US national nor a US resident.) But I’m still wishing Paul Ryan an epic defeat, even if there’s no way I can help to make it happen.

    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    Thank you for your comment and moral support.
    Your F. r.
  129. @greysquirrell
    A few years back there was a competition to judge the most beautfull face in Britain. The winnder was 18 year old Florence Colgate . It is said there is a scientific reason for this ; that her face shows close to optimal propotions and symmetry.

    She is Blonde and Blue eyed.
    http://sfglobe.com/2015/03/19/florence-colgate-has-the-most-beautiful-face-in-the-world-scientifically/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2132896/Florence-Colgate-Girl-Britains-beautiful-face.html

    I’ll see your Florence Colgate and raise you Olivia’s posh half-sister, Gabriella Wilde.

    http://www.imdb.com/media/rm977386752/nm3538539?ref_=nm_phs_md_2#

  130. @reiner Tor
    I guess it's illegal for foreigners to do so. (I'm neither a US national nor a US resident.) But I'm still wishing Paul Ryan an epic defeat, even if there's no way I can help to make it happen.

    Thank you for your comment and moral support.
    Your F. r.

  131. However Eric – Rosie’s great-grandfather – was the black sheep of the family. An RAF pilot, he married Enid Kohn, the daughter of an illiterate tailor, in 1929. His family did not attend the wedding in Kensington, West London.

    Enid was descended from Hyman Stump, a Jewish bootmaker from Poland, who arrived in Britain during the 1870s and settled in Spitalfields, East London, with his wife Rosie.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1243703/Did-Rosie-Huntington-Whiteley-looks-Royalty-No-bootmaker-called-Stump.html

    http://ethnicelebs.com/rosie-huntington-whiteley
    Ethnicity:
    *37.5% Ashkenazi Jewish, with some Sephardi Jewish
    *62.5% English (approximately) – See more at: https://web.archive.org/web/20160325164508/http://ethnicelebs.com/rosie-huntington-whiteley#sthash.IGaAlxdw.dpuf

  132. @Anonymous Nephew
    Certainly when I had a child at an English private school (wealthier parents than average) there seemed to be more blonde girls in his class than the UK average. More blonde mothers too at school events. Blondes being the gold standard for most men (all else being equal) that's not surprising.

    Does hair colour get mentioned much in novels, poems and literature going back? Jane Austen (for example) was an acute observer of what made a girl marriageable, but I don't recall much emphasis being put on hair colour - then again I don't recall much emphasis being put on height or figure either.

    Pride and Prejudice has several comments on height and figure. Darcy’s sister’s figure is described as “light and pleasing”. Darcy himself is described as having a “noble countenance”. How people looked and especially how they carried themselves was important. I cannot recall any references to hair color in P&P.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Old novels have a lot of descriptions of characters' looks, although they tend to focus on facial features, which are pretty much impossible for contemporary readers to decipher.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    There's also the scene in which Darcy teases Caroline Bingley (and Lizzie, who's with her) of taking a walk around the room because she's trying to show off her figure.

    Darcy and the Bingley crew also discuss Lizzie's 'fine eyes' and teeth, and there's a lot of assessing complexions and skin quality, e.g. Caroline denigrates Lizzie's appearance because she's got a tan.

  133. @Jim Don Bob
    Pride and Prejudice has several comments on height and figure. Darcy's sister's figure is described as "light and pleasing". Darcy himself is described as having a "noble countenance". How people looked and especially how they carried themselves was important. I cannot recall any references to hair color in P&P.

    Old novels have a lot of descriptions of characters’ looks, although they tend to focus on facial features, which are pretty much impossible for contemporary readers to decipher.

  134. @Michelle
    Most white girls who are blond whilst young become dishwater, ashy blondes, as they get older. Thus, light blonde hair denotes youthfulness and fertility. Neither of the 2 ladies posing with Jason Statham are in the least beautiful, they are average white chicks with blonde hair, is all. The chemically aquired blondness gives them a boost, but it is a false one. Deception is a female wile.

    It’s the same gal in both shots. She’s not my type; either facially or otherwise, so, don’t worry.

    On the other hand opposites attract, and facially and physically she seems a good match for Jason, even given the 20 year age difference. They might produce a couple of good linebackers.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    Well, I love blonde hair on women. Statham's girlfriend looks better in the second shot than the first, but she is not beautiful to me. Rosamond Pike is sweetly pretty. Beautiful, to my mind, is more like Catherine Zeta-Jones when she was young. Or Kate Bekinsale, or Fran Drescher, Jacqueline Smith., Sela Ward, Sean Young, Jane Seymour and Natalie Wood. Bob Marley's mistress, Cindy Breakspeare, beats them all. Beauty denotes a perfection and symetry of features, to me anyway. I am picking all dark haired beauties, but I love blonde hair, I really do. Women can be hot without being beautiful and also beautiful without being hot, like Elizabeth Taylor, for instance.
  135. @km
    Except Rosie is genetically around 1/4 Ashkenazi. So yes and no.

    And she’s a brunette, but who’s counting?

  136. Bill says:
    @AnotherDad


    This is what Bill Clinton looks like now
     
    .

    Wow, that's bad. Don't know whether that's a particularly bad pic or not.

    Clinton has a decade on peak-boomers like Steve and I, but he looks years older than that--more like late 70s. I don't expect to keep looking like Jason Statham--who in turn has a decade (in youth) on me. But I think i'm going to look better than that at 70.

    ~~
    BTW it would be nice to elect presidents who are fully mature and experienced but not geriatrics. We've swung wildly between the young and callow, Clinton, Obama--with W, just callow--sandwiched in between. And these geriatrics alternatives, Reagan--who checked out during his 2nd term; Dole and McCain if elected; and now either Hillary or Trump. Trump has terrific energy for someone hitting 70 next month, but he's an outlier. I realize 70 is the new 60 or something ... but reality doesn't actually quite work that way.

    I'd like to stick to guys--yes guys!--who are in their 50s, maybe stretching to Eisenhower's 62, with a record of accomplishment and common sense, but also still some trace of youth and vigor. You want a guy who would still *like* to and *could* bang his secretary really good but had the sense discipline not to do it.

    BTW it would be nice to elect presidents who are fully mature and experienced but not geriatrics.

    I dunno. I’ve been looking back at 10 years younger me and saying “What an idiot” pretty much since I was 10, and I’m middle aged. At what age does that stop happening?

  137. @anon

    Except that the average Brit looks far from Jason Statham and his girlfrind. This article proves what?
     
    That there was selection for better looks from whatever base line it started at - maybe the baseline in Britain was atrocious, like lots of half neanderthals running about.

    This is especially true among mammals such as humans: the average age of menarch for girls is around 11 compared to the age of semenarch of 14 in boys.
     
    According to wiki it's gone down in Britain since the industrial revolution and used to be 16.

    One of the biggest constants in biology is that females sexually mature much faster than males.
     
    So maybe caused by artificial cultural selection (e.g. by sending sexually active girls off to convents) which might set reproduction below Malthusian limits thus increasing surplus thus allowing all sorts of good stuff to happen.

    Or it may be caused by all the hormones and junk ending up in the food.

    • Replies: @anon
    I think it *may* have been artificially high in the past through cultural selection (packing early developer girls off to convents) so dropping back below 16 once that pressure was removed and yes, now artificially lower than that because of diet.
    , @Clyde

    Or it may be caused by all the hormones and junk ending up in the food
     
    Fluoridated water is a bad idea. Is public drinking water usually fluoridated in Romania?
  138. @Jack D
    Yes, exactly. I mentioned on another thread a NYTimes article about descendants of Confederate refugees in Brazil. One of the illustratives photo was of a light brown woman in a hoop skirt visiting her Confederate ancestor's grave. I'm sure said ancestor was spinning in it at the time, but you couldn't see that part in the photo since he's six feet under.

    Supposedly half the population of Brazil has African ancestry but I'm guessing that's just the percentage that has no hope of "passing" and the standards for "passing" are way lower in Brazil than they are in the US. People we would say "no way" to in the US, in Brazil are "close enough".

    Speaking of Brazil, I'm surprised that Steve hasn't been speaking of Brazil - there's quite a circus going on there with accusations of corruption against the ex-Marxist guerilla President, an impeachment going on, etc. Just the kind of stuff the future Brazil of the North can look forward to.

    Re Brazil at the moment: my candidate for next president (or, better, dictator) is Jair Bolsonaro.
    And he’s got three equally charismatic sons; with luck, the Bolsonaros could rule for decades.

  139. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    At the 2006 American Renaissance Conference, Phillipe Rushton made mention that one important trait for human sexual selection was earlobes. He wasn't sure how the science behind it works, just that earlobes were an important component for sexual selection among humans.

    So perhaps Strathan based his choice in part on Rosie's earlobes.

    I for one always shy away like a frightened horse from anyone without earlobes.
    “Degenerate!” it screams at me.

  140. @Nick Diaz
    Except that the average Brit looks far from Jason Statham and his girlfrind. This article proves what? That there are some handsome/beautiful British people? You can find beautiful people in all ethnic groups. The average British woman looks much more like Camilla Parker Bowles than Jason Statham's girlfriend.

    Also, latter sexual maturation in women and not men? One of the biggest constants in biology is that females sexually mature much faster than males. This is especially true among mammals such as humans: the average age of menarch for girls is around 11 compared to the age of semenarch of 14 in boys. That is, girls sexually mature a massive 3 years faster than boys. The average 13 year-old girl can have kids and has roughly reached her adult height. Conversely, the average 13 year-old boy doesen't even have pubic hair.

    It is all a question of class.
    The lower orders (except true country people) are uniformly hideous over the whole of England, Wales, and Scotland.
    The middle classes are a mix, with good looks ever more present as one ascends the ladder from lower-middle to upper-middle. Also the more established the family’s class rank, the finer looking its members will be.
    The established, historic upper class is no different than the upper-middles, with whom in any case they have been marrying for generations. Exceptions, that is, the occasional ugly or odd-looking person, will be the result of too much cousin marriage, a habit which reached its apogee just before the Great War, when ducal families, say, were beginning to marry for choice only within their own necessarily very restricted gene pool. “Chinless wonders” were the result.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    "except true country people"
     
    ain't no sich animule, round here. We invented the stage coach, remember? Any girl with prospects got on and quit the parish, centuries ago.

    I inadvertently remarked once, in an obscure Scottish village, "jesus the women are dog-ugly here", after about the fourteeth prematurely ancient, snaggle-toothed, patchy-haired behemoth had tipped itself drooling and flatulating in front of the car, as we crawled down the pot-holed "High Street". And 'Er Indoors vehemently agreed. Which was odd, for a self-proclaimed "feminist". Inner beauty, and all that shite? Not for these hopeless fuckers, sister.
    Shocking. Bipedal, but that was all we had in common with these authentic rustics.
    Rural British People are indistinguishable from the luvverly cuddly-wuddly aminals in their care.
    Or beds, whatever.
    The urban class-formerly-known-as-working do hold vestiges of humanity, and I have some hope for them.
    The enormously over-represented clerking classes invariably produce brutally autistic offspring. No grandchildren for them, thanks to assortative mating of their like minds and Special Talents (exceedingly useful to The Empire, and therefore rewarded and lauded, before the advent of (any amount of) electronic devices. Think "Gordon Brown", for a snapshot of the sort of imbecile in question).
    Poshoes are, as you say, inbred and grotesque. Mainly the hips, like German Shepherds. Strangely knock-kneed and pigeon chested, which complicates childbirth for the XX chromosome half of the ubermensch.
  141. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Bill is a dead man walking. Or maybe an undead man. His Dorian Gray portrait is actually Thomas Gainsborough's Blue Boy. Something in his trade with Lucifer at the crossroads went south, way way south.

    “something in his trade with lucifer at the crossroads went south, way way south”.

    It always does – no exceptions.

  142. @Steve Sailer
    Hair dyes improved over the course of the 20th Century.

    Hair dyes improved over the course of the 20th Century.

    (☉_☉)
    File under NSS.
    (^_^)

    Real blondes have blue, gray or greenish eyes. Their skin tone matches their hair color, with, when untanned, strawberries and cream complexions. No bottle blonde, especially the common suicide blonde (dyed by her own hand!), will have these attributes and thus can easily be spotted.
    There are no brown-eyed blondes–Razib Khan even had a post titled, “The Myth of the Brown-eyed Blonde.” There are no olive-skinned true blondes.
    True blondes often use eyebrow pencil, eye shadow and mascara to highlight their eyes and help them stand out from an otherwise bland face/hair combo.
    As an aside, it’s been my–unscientific, anecdotal–impression that true blondes have milder, more placid and accommodating personalities than others. So the fiery “blonde” with a hair-trigger temper, or the life-of-the-party “blonde,” or the pushy, manipulative “blonde” is probably not a real blonde.
    Raymond Chandler has an oft-quoted description of types of blondes in The Long Good-bye:

    “There are blondes and blondes and it is almost a joke word nowadays.
    All blondes have their points, except perhaps the metallic ones who are as blond as a Zulu under the bleach and as to disposition as soft as a sidewalk.
    There is the small cute blonde who cheeps and twitters, and the big statuesque blonde who straight-arms you with an ice-blue glare.
    There is the blonde who gives you the up-from-under look and smells lovely and shimmers and hangs on your arm and is always very tired when you take her home. She makes that helpless gesture and has that goddamned headache and you would like to slug her except that you are glad you found out about the headache before you invested too much time and money and hope in her. Because the headache will always be there, a weapon that never wears out and is as deadly as the bravo’s rapier or Lucretia poison vial.
    There is the soft and willing and alcoholic blonde who doesn’t care what she wears as long as it is mink or where she goes as long as it is the Starlight Roof and there is plenty of dry champagne.
    There is the small perky blonde who is a little pal and wants to pay her own way and is full of sunshine and common sense and knows judo from the ground up and can toss a truck driver over her shoulder without missing more than one sentence out of the editorial in The Saturday Review.
    There is the pale, pale blonde with anemia of some non-fatal but incurable type. She is very languid and very shadowy and she speaks softly out of nowhere and you can’t lay a finger on her because in the first place you don’t want to and in the second place she is reading The Waste Land or Dante in the original, or Kafka or Kierkegaard or studying Provençal. She adores music and when the New York Philharmonic is playing Hindemith she can tell you which one of the six bass viols came in a quarter of a beat too late. I hear Toscanini can also. That makes two of them.
    And lastly there is the gorgeous show piece who will outlast three kingpin racketeers and then marry a couple of millionaires at a million a head and end up with a pale rose villa at Cap Antibes, an Alfa-Romeo town car complete with pilot and co-pilot, and a stable of shopworn aristocrats, all of whom she will treat with the affectionate absent-mindedness of an elderly duke saying goodnight to his butler.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "There is the small perky blonde who is a little pal and wants to pay her own way and is full of sunshine and common sense and knows judo from the ground up and can toss a truck driver over her shoulder without missing more than one sentence out of the editorial in The Saturday Review. "

    This is the daughter of the honest ex-police chief of Bay City in "Farewell, My Lovely," the one Marlowe should have married.

    , @Jefferson
    "Real blondes have blue, gray or greenish eyes"

    "There are no brown-eyed blondes–Razib Khan even had a post titled, “The Myth of the Brown-eyed Blonde.”

    I see a lot of Shakira type brown eyed "blonde" women in Latin American soap operas.

    You also see a lot of brown eyed "blonde" Persian women in Los Angeles.

    Platinum blonde hair with the brownest bedroom eyes
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    Lordy, but Chandler was great . . . .
  143. @Romanian
    Or it may be caused by all the hormones and junk ending up in the food.

    I think it *may* have been artificially high in the past through cultural selection (packing early developer girls off to convents) so dropping back below 16 once that pressure was removed and yes, now artificially lower than that because of diet.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    The latest scare in Romania is young boys developing breasts because of growth hormones in industrial chicken. Also the presence of antibiotics and so on. And earlier development for girls (in every physical sense) is a reality. Looots of jailbait running around.
  144. @Romanian
    Or it may be caused by all the hormones and junk ending up in the food.

    Or it may be caused by all the hormones and junk ending up in the food

    Fluoridated water is a bad idea. Is public drinking water usually fluoridated in Romania?

    • Replies: @Romanian
    No, it is not, and I can't think of a place in the EU where it is. At most, the water is chlorinated in remote places (like this summer camp I went to when I was young), to make it fit to drink. But, as I understand it, adding fluoride to water is not a water treatment operation, but a medical one.
  145. @Whoever

    Hair dyes improved over the course of the 20th Century.
     
    (☉_☉)
    File under NSS.
    (^_^)

    Real blondes have blue, gray or greenish eyes. Their skin tone matches their hair color, with, when untanned, strawberries and cream complexions. No bottle blonde, especially the common suicide blonde (dyed by her own hand!), will have these attributes and thus can easily be spotted.
    There are no brown-eyed blondes--Razib Khan even had a post titled, "The Myth of the Brown-eyed Blonde." There are no olive-skinned true blondes.
    True blondes often use eyebrow pencil, eye shadow and mascara to highlight their eyes and help them stand out from an otherwise bland face/hair combo.
    As an aside, it's been my--unscientific, anecdotal--impression that true blondes have milder, more placid and accommodating personalities than others. So the fiery "blonde" with a hair-trigger temper, or the life-of-the-party "blonde," or the pushy, manipulative "blonde" is probably not a real blonde.
    Raymond Chandler has an oft-quoted description of types of blondes in The Long Good-bye:


    “There are blondes and blondes and it is almost a joke word nowadays.
    All blondes have their points, except perhaps the metallic ones who are as blond as a Zulu under the bleach and as to disposition as soft as a sidewalk.
    There is the small cute blonde who cheeps and twitters, and the big statuesque blonde who straight-arms you with an ice-blue glare.
    There is the blonde who gives you the up-from-under look and smells lovely and shimmers and hangs on your arm and is always very tired when you take her home. She makes that helpless gesture and has that goddamned headache and you would like to slug her except that you are glad you found out about the headache before you invested too much time and money and hope in her. Because the headache will always be there, a weapon that never wears out and is as deadly as the bravo’s rapier or Lucretia poison vial.
    There is the soft and willing and alcoholic blonde who doesn’t care what she wears as long as it is mink or where she goes as long as it is the Starlight Roof and there is plenty of dry champagne.
    There is the small perky blonde who is a little pal and wants to pay her own way and is full of sunshine and common sense and knows judo from the ground up and can toss a truck driver over her shoulder without missing more than one sentence out of the editorial in The Saturday Review.
    There is the pale, pale blonde with anemia of some non-fatal but incurable type. She is very languid and very shadowy and she speaks softly out of nowhere and you can’t lay a finger on her because in the first place you don’t want to and in the second place she is reading The Waste Land or Dante in the original, or Kafka or Kierkegaard or studying Provençal. She adores music and when the New York Philharmonic is playing Hindemith she can tell you which one of the six bass viols came in a quarter of a beat too late. I hear Toscanini can also. That makes two of them.
    And lastly there is the gorgeous show piece who will outlast three kingpin racketeers and then marry a couple of millionaires at a million a head and end up with a pale rose villa at Cap Antibes, an Alfa-Romeo town car complete with pilot and co-pilot, and a stable of shopworn aristocrats, all of whom she will treat with the affectionate absent-mindedness of an elderly duke saying goodnight to his butler.”

     

    “There is the small perky blonde who is a little pal and wants to pay her own way and is full of sunshine and common sense and knows judo from the ground up and can toss a truck driver over her shoulder without missing more than one sentence out of the editorial in The Saturday Review. ”

    This is the daughter of the honest ex-police chief of Bay City in “Farewell, My Lovely,” the one Marlowe should have married.

    • Replies: @cthulhu


    This is the daughter of the honest ex-police chief of Bay City in “Farewell, My Lovely,” the one Marlowe should have married.

     

    Except Anne Riordan (the character you're referring to) is a redhead, not a blonde.

    (And if he'd married Miss Riordan, he wouldn't have gotten involved with the brunette Linda Loring in The Long Goodbye, and we would all have been the poorer for it.)
    , @SteveRogers42
    However, I believe her Oriental leverage tricks would meet their match in the pure physics of Moose Malloy, who was "no larger than a beer truck" and had a neck-breaker as his go-to move.
  146. @Steve Sailer
    "There is the small perky blonde who is a little pal and wants to pay her own way and is full of sunshine and common sense and knows judo from the ground up and can toss a truck driver over her shoulder without missing more than one sentence out of the editorial in The Saturday Review. "

    This is the daughter of the honest ex-police chief of Bay City in "Farewell, My Lovely," the one Marlowe should have married.

    This is the daughter of the honest ex-police chief of Bay City in “Farewell, My Lovely,” the one Marlowe should have married.

    Except Anne Riordan (the character you’re referring to) is a redhead, not a blonde.

    (And if he’d married Miss Riordan, he wouldn’t have gotten involved with the brunette Linda Loring in The Long Goodbye, and we would all have been the poorer for it.)

    • Replies: @Truth
    One of the great movie ideas of the 70's was a skinny Jew playing Marlowe.
  147. @Jack D
    Yes, exactly. I mentioned on another thread a NYTimes article about descendants of Confederate refugees in Brazil. One of the illustratives photo was of a light brown woman in a hoop skirt visiting her Confederate ancestor's grave. I'm sure said ancestor was spinning in it at the time, but you couldn't see that part in the photo since he's six feet under.

    Supposedly half the population of Brazil has African ancestry but I'm guessing that's just the percentage that has no hope of "passing" and the standards for "passing" are way lower in Brazil than they are in the US. People we would say "no way" to in the US, in Brazil are "close enough".

    Speaking of Brazil, I'm surprised that Steve hasn't been speaking of Brazil - there's quite a circus going on there with accusations of corruption against the ex-Marxist guerilla President, an impeachment going on, etc. Just the kind of stuff the future Brazil of the North can look forward to.

    “Supposedly half the population of Brazil has African ancestry but I’m guessing that’s just the percentage that has no hope of “passing” and the standards for “passing” are way lower in Brazil than they are in the US. People we would say “no way” to in the US, in Brazil are “close enough”.

    The standards for passing are bottom of the barrel in The U.S when you factor in that The U.S census lumps in all North Africans, all Middle Easterners, and most Latinos including Brazilians into the White category.

    That is why you have articles written by some pro-open borders people trying to assure Whites calming their fears by saying that White people will never become a racial Minority in The U.S because the census definition of “White” is so broad.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    That is why you have articles written by some pro-open borders people trying to assure Whites calming their fears by saying that White people will never become a racial Minority in The U.S because the census definition of “White” is so broad.
     
    Right, and it can always be broadened further.
  148. @Whoever

    Hair dyes improved over the course of the 20th Century.
     
    (☉_☉)
    File under NSS.
    (^_^)

    Real blondes have blue, gray or greenish eyes. Their skin tone matches their hair color, with, when untanned, strawberries and cream complexions. No bottle blonde, especially the common suicide blonde (dyed by her own hand!), will have these attributes and thus can easily be spotted.
    There are no brown-eyed blondes--Razib Khan even had a post titled, "The Myth of the Brown-eyed Blonde." There are no olive-skinned true blondes.
    True blondes often use eyebrow pencil, eye shadow and mascara to highlight their eyes and help them stand out from an otherwise bland face/hair combo.
    As an aside, it's been my--unscientific, anecdotal--impression that true blondes have milder, more placid and accommodating personalities than others. So the fiery "blonde" with a hair-trigger temper, or the life-of-the-party "blonde," or the pushy, manipulative "blonde" is probably not a real blonde.
    Raymond Chandler has an oft-quoted description of types of blondes in The Long Good-bye:


    “There are blondes and blondes and it is almost a joke word nowadays.
    All blondes have their points, except perhaps the metallic ones who are as blond as a Zulu under the bleach and as to disposition as soft as a sidewalk.
    There is the small cute blonde who cheeps and twitters, and the big statuesque blonde who straight-arms you with an ice-blue glare.
    There is the blonde who gives you the up-from-under look and smells lovely and shimmers and hangs on your arm and is always very tired when you take her home. She makes that helpless gesture and has that goddamned headache and you would like to slug her except that you are glad you found out about the headache before you invested too much time and money and hope in her. Because the headache will always be there, a weapon that never wears out and is as deadly as the bravo’s rapier or Lucretia poison vial.
    There is the soft and willing and alcoholic blonde who doesn’t care what she wears as long as it is mink or where she goes as long as it is the Starlight Roof and there is plenty of dry champagne.
    There is the small perky blonde who is a little pal and wants to pay her own way and is full of sunshine and common sense and knows judo from the ground up and can toss a truck driver over her shoulder without missing more than one sentence out of the editorial in The Saturday Review.
    There is the pale, pale blonde with anemia of some non-fatal but incurable type. She is very languid and very shadowy and she speaks softly out of nowhere and you can’t lay a finger on her because in the first place you don’t want to and in the second place she is reading The Waste Land or Dante in the original, or Kafka or Kierkegaard or studying Provençal. She adores music and when the New York Philharmonic is playing Hindemith she can tell you which one of the six bass viols came in a quarter of a beat too late. I hear Toscanini can also. That makes two of them.
    And lastly there is the gorgeous show piece who will outlast three kingpin racketeers and then marry a couple of millionaires at a million a head and end up with a pale rose villa at Cap Antibes, an Alfa-Romeo town car complete with pilot and co-pilot, and a stable of shopworn aristocrats, all of whom she will treat with the affectionate absent-mindedness of an elderly duke saying goodnight to his butler.”

     

    “Real blondes have blue, gray or greenish eyes”

    “There are no brown-eyed blondes–Razib Khan even had a post titled, “The Myth of the Brown-eyed Blonde.”

    I see a lot of Shakira type brown eyed “blonde” women in Latin American soap operas.

    You also see a lot of brown eyed “blonde” Persian women in Los Angeles.

    Platinum blonde hair with the brownest bedroom eyes

  149. Her father is 3/4 Jewish. Curious, everytime anyone mentions Scarlett Johansson being Jewish, the very next post points out she’s also half Danish.

    Here, the vice versa took a lot longer.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Her father is 3/4 Jewish. Curious, everytime anyone mentions Scarlett Johansson being Jewish, the very next post points out she’s also half Danish.

    Here, the vice versa took a lot longer."

    On Stormfront Scarlett Johansson would be considered just as equally Nonwhite as Lupita Nuyong'o. They consider Scarlett's former marriage to Gentile Ryan Reynolds to be racial miscegenation. If they had kids together, Stormfront would have racially classify their kids as Nonwhite People Of Color as well.
  150. @Bee
    Her father is 3/4 Jewish. Curious, everytime anyone mentions Scarlett Johansson being Jewish, the very next post points out she's also half Danish.

    Here, the vice versa took a lot longer.

    “Her father is 3/4 Jewish. Curious, everytime anyone mentions Scarlett Johansson being Jewish, the very next post points out she’s also half Danish.

    Here, the vice versa took a lot longer.”

    On Stormfront Scarlett Johansson would be considered just as equally Nonwhite as Lupita Nuyong’o. They consider Scarlett’s former marriage to Gentile Ryan Reynolds to be racial miscegenation. If they had kids together, Stormfront would have racially classify their kids as Nonwhite People Of Color as well.

    • Replies: @Bee
    Oh, it's not just on Stromfront. I was just looking at a column where Steve Sailer excoriated the Jewishness of reporter Alyssa Rosenberg.

    I am not so sure that Rosenberg's mother, Susan Bennett, who is a higher-up at the Lexington Historical Society, is Jewish, but no one on here really cares, since Rosenberg is just some random reporter no one's heard of. But when it's a glamorous model or actress like Johansson, their full heritage is an issue...

    Rosenberg had made some crack about Judd Apatow movies. I think people on Stormfront and on this site should really like Apatow movies, since they portray the world the way readers here already see it: a fat, ugly, Jewish guy (or sometimes a thin, ugly Jewish guy) surrounded by good-looking non-Jewish white people (who are sometimes played by Jews, but the movies carefully whitewash that).
  151. @Jim Don Bob
    Pride and Prejudice has several comments on height and figure. Darcy's sister's figure is described as "light and pleasing". Darcy himself is described as having a "noble countenance". How people looked and especially how they carried themselves was important. I cannot recall any references to hair color in P&P.

    There’s also the scene in which Darcy teases Caroline Bingley (and Lizzie, who’s with her) of taking a walk around the room because she’s trying to show off her figure.

    Darcy and the Bingley crew also discuss Lizzie’s ‘fine eyes’ and teeth, and there’s a lot of assessing complexions and skin quality, e.g. Caroline denigrates Lizzie’s appearance because she’s got a tan.

  152. @Whoever

    Hair dyes improved over the course of the 20th Century.
     
    (☉_☉)
    File under NSS.
    (^_^)

    Real blondes have blue, gray or greenish eyes. Their skin tone matches their hair color, with, when untanned, strawberries and cream complexions. No bottle blonde, especially the common suicide blonde (dyed by her own hand!), will have these attributes and thus can easily be spotted.
    There are no brown-eyed blondes--Razib Khan even had a post titled, "The Myth of the Brown-eyed Blonde." There are no olive-skinned true blondes.
    True blondes often use eyebrow pencil, eye shadow and mascara to highlight their eyes and help them stand out from an otherwise bland face/hair combo.
    As an aside, it's been my--unscientific, anecdotal--impression that true blondes have milder, more placid and accommodating personalities than others. So the fiery "blonde" with a hair-trigger temper, or the life-of-the-party "blonde," or the pushy, manipulative "blonde" is probably not a real blonde.
    Raymond Chandler has an oft-quoted description of types of blondes in The Long Good-bye:


    “There are blondes and blondes and it is almost a joke word nowadays.
    All blondes have their points, except perhaps the metallic ones who are as blond as a Zulu under the bleach and as to disposition as soft as a sidewalk.
    There is the small cute blonde who cheeps and twitters, and the big statuesque blonde who straight-arms you with an ice-blue glare.
    There is the blonde who gives you the up-from-under look and smells lovely and shimmers and hangs on your arm and is always very tired when you take her home. She makes that helpless gesture and has that goddamned headache and you would like to slug her except that you are glad you found out about the headache before you invested too much time and money and hope in her. Because the headache will always be there, a weapon that never wears out and is as deadly as the bravo’s rapier or Lucretia poison vial.
    There is the soft and willing and alcoholic blonde who doesn’t care what she wears as long as it is mink or where she goes as long as it is the Starlight Roof and there is plenty of dry champagne.
    There is the small perky blonde who is a little pal and wants to pay her own way and is full of sunshine and common sense and knows judo from the ground up and can toss a truck driver over her shoulder without missing more than one sentence out of the editorial in The Saturday Review.
    There is the pale, pale blonde with anemia of some non-fatal but incurable type. She is very languid and very shadowy and she speaks softly out of nowhere and you can’t lay a finger on her because in the first place you don’t want to and in the second place she is reading The Waste Land or Dante in the original, or Kafka or Kierkegaard or studying Provençal. She adores music and when the New York Philharmonic is playing Hindemith she can tell you which one of the six bass viols came in a quarter of a beat too late. I hear Toscanini can also. That makes two of them.
    And lastly there is the gorgeous show piece who will outlast three kingpin racketeers and then marry a couple of millionaires at a million a head and end up with a pale rose villa at Cap Antibes, an Alfa-Romeo town car complete with pilot and co-pilot, and a stable of shopworn aristocrats, all of whom she will treat with the affectionate absent-mindedness of an elderly duke saying goodnight to his butler.”

     

    Lordy, but Chandler was great . . . .

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    I was about to write "Dam_ y_u Last Re_l Calv_nist, you are never here when I need you." But in spite of your absurd theology (notwithstanding to the contrary the superb George C. Scott performance that killed him), plus that fact that damning you really is way beyond my competence, here you are.

    Get busy! The world is circling the drain and you are singing Karaoke with the Geisha Girls!

    (BTW could you recruit the penultimate Last Real Calvinist to this discussion? Or maybe the antepenultimate Last Real Calvinist? Maybe they will be here when I need them!)
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Try Elmore Leonard and George Pelecanos.
  153. Bee says:
    @Jefferson
    "Her father is 3/4 Jewish. Curious, everytime anyone mentions Scarlett Johansson being Jewish, the very next post points out she’s also half Danish.

    Here, the vice versa took a lot longer."

    On Stormfront Scarlett Johansson would be considered just as equally Nonwhite as Lupita Nuyong'o. They consider Scarlett's former marriage to Gentile Ryan Reynolds to be racial miscegenation. If they had kids together, Stormfront would have racially classify their kids as Nonwhite People Of Color as well.

    Oh, it’s not just on Stromfront. I was just looking at a column where Steve Sailer excoriated the Jewishness of reporter Alyssa Rosenberg.

    I am not so sure that Rosenberg’s mother, Susan Bennett, who is a higher-up at the Lexington Historical Society, is Jewish, but no one on here really cares, since Rosenberg is just some random reporter no one’s heard of. But when it’s a glamorous model or actress like Johansson, their full heritage is an issue…

    Rosenberg had made some crack about Judd Apatow movies. I think people on Stormfront and on this site should really like Apatow movies, since they portray the world the way readers here already see it: a fat, ugly, Jewish guy (or sometimes a thin, ugly Jewish guy) surrounded by good-looking non-Jewish white people (who are sometimes played by Jews, but the movies carefully whitewash that).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/circular-firing-squad-assembles/
    , @Jefferson
    "Oh, it’s not just on Stromfront. I was just looking at a column where Steve Sailer excoriated the Jewishness of reporter Alyssa Rosenberg.

    I am not so sure that Rosenberg’s mother, Susan Bennett, who is a higher-up at the Lexington Historical Society, is Jewish, but no one on here really cares, since Rosenberg is just some random reporter no one’s heard of. But when it’s a glamorous model or actress like Johansson, their full heritage is an issue…

    Rosenberg had made some crack about Judd Apatow movies. I think people on Stormfront and on this site should really like Apatow movies, since they portray the world the way readers here already see it: a fat, ugly, Jewish guy (or sometimes a thin, ugly Jewish guy) surrounded by good-looking non-Jewish white people (who are sometimes played by Jews, but the movies carefully whitewash that)."

    Stormfront would classify the Egyptian looking Italian Nicholas Turturro as White before they would classify the blonde haired and blue eyed Scarlett Johansson as White.

    That is why I believe Stormfront's belief that all Jews are Nonwhite People Of Color is more based on politics rather than phenotype.

  154. @Bee
    Oh, it's not just on Stromfront. I was just looking at a column where Steve Sailer excoriated the Jewishness of reporter Alyssa Rosenberg.

    I am not so sure that Rosenberg's mother, Susan Bennett, who is a higher-up at the Lexington Historical Society, is Jewish, but no one on here really cares, since Rosenberg is just some random reporter no one's heard of. But when it's a glamorous model or actress like Johansson, their full heritage is an issue...

    Rosenberg had made some crack about Judd Apatow movies. I think people on Stormfront and on this site should really like Apatow movies, since they portray the world the way readers here already see it: a fat, ugly, Jewish guy (or sometimes a thin, ugly Jewish guy) surrounded by good-looking non-Jewish white people (who are sometimes played by Jews, but the movies carefully whitewash that).
    • Replies: @Bee
    Yes, that's the one. Curious you weren't as interested in Rosenberg's full ancestry as you are in Johansson's, Michael Douglas's, etc.

    I have no idea what Apatow "jokes about non-Jewish women" Rosenberg was even talking about. The closest I can think of is when Albert Brooks shows up two hours into This is 40 and (jokingly?) tells Leslie Mann that she must hate Jews.

    Apatow movies have portrayed Jews pretty much exclusively as unattractive, pot-smoking losers. While non-Jewish whites can be anything in his films. You should be a big fan.
  155. Bee says:
    @Steve Sailer
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/circular-firing-squad-assembles/

    Yes, that’s the one. Curious you weren’t as interested in Rosenberg’s full ancestry as you are in Johansson’s, Michael Douglas’s, etc.

    I have no idea what Apatow “jokes about non-Jewish women” Rosenberg was even talking about. The closest I can think of is when Albert Brooks shows up two hours into This is 40 and (jokingly?) tells Leslie Mann that she must hate Jews.

    Apatow movies have portrayed Jews pretty much exclusively as unattractive, pot-smoking losers. While non-Jewish whites can be anything in his films. You should be a big fan.

    • Replies: @anon
    You're ignoring the possibility iSteve picked her because she wasn't a good example and that the people mentioning her ancestry weren't Jewish themselves.

    Personally I didn't know anything about her but good-looking or not she doesn't look British to me and I guess that's why - East European features

    whereas Florence Colgate has the British version of that kind of look.
  156. @Dave Pinsen
    Statham is 5'10"; she is 5'9" but wearing heels. He's a former model and an action film star, and he's been balding throughout most of his career.

    Also an Olympic athlete, I believe…UK diving team — which is why he’s able to pull off those martial arts moves so credibly.

  157. @Bill Jones
    The older man, younger woman meme makes sense too.

    He gets greater fertility, she gets a track record of proven provision.
  158. @Steve Sailer
    "There is the small perky blonde who is a little pal and wants to pay her own way and is full of sunshine and common sense and knows judo from the ground up and can toss a truck driver over her shoulder without missing more than one sentence out of the editorial in The Saturday Review. "

    This is the daughter of the honest ex-police chief of Bay City in "Farewell, My Lovely," the one Marlowe should have married.

    However, I believe her Oriental leverage tricks would meet their match in the pure physics of Moose Malloy, who was “no larger than a beer truck” and had a neck-breaker as his go-to move.

  159. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Lordy, but Chandler was great . . . .

    I was about to write “Dam_ y_u Last Re_l Calv_nist, you are never here when I need you.” But in spite of your absurd theology (notwithstanding to the contrary the superb George C. Scott performance that killed him), plus that fact that damning you really is way beyond my competence, here you are.

    Get busy! The world is circling the drain and you are singing Karaoke with the Geisha Girls!

    (BTW could you recruit the penultimate Last Real Calvinist to this discussion? Or maybe the antepenultimate Last Real Calvinist? Maybe they will be here when I need them!)

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks -- I think?
  160. @Old Palo Altan
    It is all a question of class.
    The lower orders (except true country people) are uniformly hideous over the whole of England, Wales, and Scotland.
    The middle classes are a mix, with good looks ever more present as one ascends the ladder from lower-middle to upper-middle. Also the more established the family's class rank, the finer looking its members will be.
    The established, historic upper class is no different than the upper-middles, with whom in any case they have been marrying for generations. Exceptions, that is, the occasional ugly or odd-looking person, will be the result of too much cousin marriage, a habit which reached its apogee just before the Great War, when ducal families, say, were beginning to marry for choice only within their own necessarily very restricted gene pool. "Chinless wonders" were the result.

    “except true country people”

    ain’t no sich animule, round here. We invented the stage coach, remember? Any girl with prospects got on and quit the parish, centuries ago.

    I inadvertently remarked once, in an obscure Scottish village, “jesus the women are dog-ugly here”, after about the fourteeth prematurely ancient, snaggle-toothed, patchy-haired behemoth had tipped itself drooling and flatulating in front of the car, as we crawled down the pot-holed “High Street”. And ‘Er Indoors vehemently agreed. Which was odd, for a self-proclaimed “feminist”. Inner beauty, and all that shite? Not for these hopeless fuckers, sister.
    Shocking. Bipedal, but that was all we had in common with these authentic rustics.
    Rural British People are indistinguishable from the luvverly cuddly-wuddly aminals in their care.
    Or beds, whatever.
    The urban class-formerly-known-as-working do hold vestiges of humanity, and I have some hope for them.
    The enormously over-represented clerking classes invariably produce brutally autistic offspring. No grandchildren for them, thanks to assortative mating of their like minds and Special Talents (exceedingly useful to The Empire, and therefore rewarded and lauded, before the advent of (any amount of) electronic devices. Think “Gordon Brown”, for a snapshot of the sort of imbecile in question).
    Poshoes are, as you say, inbred and grotesque. Mainly the hips, like German Shepherds. Strangely knock-kneed and pigeon chested, which complicates childbirth for the XX chromosome half of the ubermensch.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    Well, Rule Britannia! Your pride in your native people is heartening.

    I wonder again why it is that these girls are throwing themselves at Africans and Arabs.
  161. @Expletive Deleted

    "except true country people"
     
    ain't no sich animule, round here. We invented the stage coach, remember? Any girl with prospects got on and quit the parish, centuries ago.

    I inadvertently remarked once, in an obscure Scottish village, "jesus the women are dog-ugly here", after about the fourteeth prematurely ancient, snaggle-toothed, patchy-haired behemoth had tipped itself drooling and flatulating in front of the car, as we crawled down the pot-holed "High Street". And 'Er Indoors vehemently agreed. Which was odd, for a self-proclaimed "feminist". Inner beauty, and all that shite? Not for these hopeless fuckers, sister.
    Shocking. Bipedal, but that was all we had in common with these authentic rustics.
    Rural British People are indistinguishable from the luvverly cuddly-wuddly aminals in their care.
    Or beds, whatever.
    The urban class-formerly-known-as-working do hold vestiges of humanity, and I have some hope for them.
    The enormously over-represented clerking classes invariably produce brutally autistic offspring. No grandchildren for them, thanks to assortative mating of their like minds and Special Talents (exceedingly useful to The Empire, and therefore rewarded and lauded, before the advent of (any amount of) electronic devices. Think "Gordon Brown", for a snapshot of the sort of imbecile in question).
    Poshoes are, as you say, inbred and grotesque. Mainly the hips, like German Shepherds. Strangely knock-kneed and pigeon chested, which complicates childbirth for the XX chromosome half of the ubermensch.

    Well, Rule Britannia! Your pride in your native people is heartening.

    I wonder again why it is that these girls are throwing themselves at Africans and Arabs.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    these girls are throwing themselves at Africans and Arabs.
     
    much to our relief, I can tell you. It's a truism that Brit men are much prettier than the women. And French (proper French) girls think we're the dog's .. so cultured, so well-mannered etc.
    And, astoundingly, less drunk than their garlicky brethren, in general. Couldn't credit that one. They must be lying to get into my pants. OTOH the LadyBelges and Gerries treat us with overt contempt. No idea what's going on there.
  162. @SFG
    Creepy.

    1. He had a quadruple bypass after surgery. All those burgers caught up with him.

    2. He may very well have other health problems--they say Hillary had a stroke, though she seems to be doing well enough from the way she attacks Bernie.

    3. Liches don't suck life energy, they avoid death by hiding their souls in their phylacteries.

    1. He had a quadruple bypass after surgery. All those burgers caught up with him.

    Do you mean buns? The burgers themselves are good for the heart.

  163. @Bee
    Oh, it's not just on Stromfront. I was just looking at a column where Steve Sailer excoriated the Jewishness of reporter Alyssa Rosenberg.

    I am not so sure that Rosenberg's mother, Susan Bennett, who is a higher-up at the Lexington Historical Society, is Jewish, but no one on here really cares, since Rosenberg is just some random reporter no one's heard of. But when it's a glamorous model or actress like Johansson, their full heritage is an issue...

    Rosenberg had made some crack about Judd Apatow movies. I think people on Stormfront and on this site should really like Apatow movies, since they portray the world the way readers here already see it: a fat, ugly, Jewish guy (or sometimes a thin, ugly Jewish guy) surrounded by good-looking non-Jewish white people (who are sometimes played by Jews, but the movies carefully whitewash that).

    “Oh, it’s not just on Stromfront. I was just looking at a column where Steve Sailer excoriated the Jewishness of reporter Alyssa Rosenberg.

    I am not so sure that Rosenberg’s mother, Susan Bennett, who is a higher-up at the Lexington Historical Society, is Jewish, but no one on here really cares, since Rosenberg is just some random reporter no one’s heard of. But when it’s a glamorous model or actress like Johansson, their full heritage is an issue…

    Rosenberg had made some crack about Judd Apatow movies. I think people on Stormfront and on this site should really like Apatow movies, since they portray the world the way readers here already see it: a fat, ugly, Jewish guy (or sometimes a thin, ugly Jewish guy) surrounded by good-looking non-Jewish white people (who are sometimes played by Jews, but the movies carefully whitewash that).”

    Stormfront would classify the Egyptian looking Italian Nicholas Turturro as White before they would classify the blonde haired and blue eyed Scarlett Johansson as White.

    That is why I believe Stormfront’s belief that all Jews are Nonwhite People Of Color is more based on politics rather than phenotype.

  164. @Jefferson
    "Supposedly half the population of Brazil has African ancestry but I’m guessing that’s just the percentage that has no hope of “passing” and the standards for “passing” are way lower in Brazil than they are in the US. People we would say “no way” to in the US, in Brazil are “close enough”.

    The standards for passing are bottom of the barrel in The U.S when you factor in that The U.S census lumps in all North Africans, all Middle Easterners, and most Latinos including Brazilians into the White category.

    That is why you have articles written by some pro-open borders people trying to assure Whites calming their fears by saying that White people will never become a racial Minority in The U.S because the census definition of "White" is so broad.

    That is why you have articles written by some pro-open borders people trying to assure Whites calming their fears by saying that White people will never become a racial Minority in The U.S because the census definition of “White” is so broad.

    Right, and it can always be broadened further.

  165. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    I was about to write "Dam_ y_u Last Re_l Calv_nist, you are never here when I need you." But in spite of your absurd theology (notwithstanding to the contrary the superb George C. Scott performance that killed him), plus that fact that damning you really is way beyond my competence, here you are.

    Get busy! The world is circling the drain and you are singing Karaoke with the Geisha Girls!

    (BTW could you recruit the penultimate Last Real Calvinist to this discussion? Or maybe the antepenultimate Last Real Calvinist? Maybe they will be here when I need them!)

    Thanks — I think?

  166. @cthulhu


    This is the daughter of the honest ex-police chief of Bay City in “Farewell, My Lovely,” the one Marlowe should have married.

     

    Except Anne Riordan (the character you're referring to) is a redhead, not a blonde.

    (And if he'd married Miss Riordan, he wouldn't have gotten involved with the brunette Linda Loring in The Long Goodbye, and we would all have been the poorer for it.)

    One of the great movie ideas of the 70’s was a skinny Jew playing Marlowe.

  167. @Mark Eugenikos

    Neither of the 2 ladies posing with Jason Statham are in the least beautiful...
     
    It's one and the same lady in both pictures.

    As far as Rosie (the lady's name) not being beautiful, it's all relative and in the eye of the beholder. Feel free to post your photo and the audience here will tell you how you measure up.
    • Replies: @Michelle
    Wow, the moderator printed my pic. Lay it on me brothers!!! I can take it. Though not in the least, "Beautiful", my sister and I have always been considered "Good looking", My father and brother, however, were considered, and I agree with the assessments, "Beautiful".
  168. @SPMoore8
    It's the same gal in both shots. She's not my type; either facially or otherwise, so, don't worry.

    On the other hand opposites attract, and facially and physically she seems a good match for Jason, even given the 20 year age difference. They might produce a couple of good linebackers.

    Well, I love blonde hair on women. Statham’s girlfriend looks better in the second shot than the first, but she is not beautiful to me. Rosamond Pike is sweetly pretty. Beautiful, to my mind, is more like Catherine Zeta-Jones when she was young. Or Kate Bekinsale, or Fran Drescher, Jacqueline Smith., Sela Ward, Sean Young, Jane Seymour and Natalie Wood. Bob Marley’s mistress, Cindy Breakspeare, beats them all. Beauty denotes a perfection and symetry of features, to me anyway. I am picking all dark haired beauties, but I love blonde hair, I really do. Women can be hot without being beautiful and also beautiful without being hot, like Elizabeth Taylor, for instance.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    I guess blonde is seen as more pretty or cute whereas brunette is really nuanced beauty? I think the most beautiful blonde I remember was Nicole Kidman in her prime (eg Batman Forever) but she often had red hair, so not sure she counts.
  169. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Bee
    Yes, that's the one. Curious you weren't as interested in Rosenberg's full ancestry as you are in Johansson's, Michael Douglas's, etc.

    I have no idea what Apatow "jokes about non-Jewish women" Rosenberg was even talking about. The closest I can think of is when Albert Brooks shows up two hours into This is 40 and (jokingly?) tells Leslie Mann that she must hate Jews.

    Apatow movies have portrayed Jews pretty much exclusively as unattractive, pot-smoking losers. While non-Jewish whites can be anything in his films. You should be a big fan.

    You’re ignoring the possibility iSteve picked her because she wasn’t a good example and that the people mentioning her ancestry weren’t Jewish themselves.

    Personally I didn’t know anything about her but good-looking or not she doesn’t look British to me and I guess that’s why – East European features

    whereas Florence Colgate has the British version of that kind of look.

  170. @Clyde

    Or it may be caused by all the hormones and junk ending up in the food
     
    Fluoridated water is a bad idea. Is public drinking water usually fluoridated in Romania?

    No, it is not, and I can’t think of a place in the EU where it is. At most, the water is chlorinated in remote places (like this summer camp I went to when I was young), to make it fit to drink. But, as I understand it, adding fluoride to water is not a water treatment operation, but a medical one.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Thanks much Mr. R !! Yes water fluoridation is a disputed medical issue. Some say it is harmful (I do) and some say it prevents tooth cavities especially in children.
    The latest scare in Romania is young boys developing breasts because of growth hormones in industrial chicken.
    This one was talked about years ago in America. I believe they are still used but in smaller amounts. Perhaps Romanian farmers are overdoing it to satisfy consumer demands for white chicken meat, the breasts of the chicken.
  171. @anon
    I think it *may* have been artificially high in the past through cultural selection (packing early developer girls off to convents) so dropping back below 16 once that pressure was removed and yes, now artificially lower than that because of diet.

    The latest scare in Romania is young boys developing breasts because of growth hormones in industrial chicken. Also the presence of antibiotics and so on. And earlier development for girls (in every physical sense) is a reality. Looots of jailbait running around.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The latest scare in Romania is young boys developing breasts because of growth hormones in industrial chicken."

    A lot of boys in The U.S have titties as well, due to obesity.
    , @anon
    Yeah I agree with that part; I think it's below its *natural* level now cos diet etc.

    I have a separate pet theory that in the past people in western Europe (and maybe elsewhere) may have raised it artificially above the natural level but it's just a pet theory.
  172. @Dave Pinsen
    Michelle's trolling or deluded. Rosie is beautiful. Which by itself is not terribly rare, but it gets a lot rarer at her height, because a) few women are that tall, and b) of the women who are that tall, few are both beautiful and thin.

    Beautiful, thin, and tall is a rare combo, which is why models who are all three make a lot of money.

    And, because tall, thin women usually take steps to stay that way, they age particularly well. The Elle Macphersons and Christie Brinkleys (and my girlfriend) were lucky enough to be born with that genetic heritage, but were smart enough to work to maintain what they were given.

  173. @Intelligent Dasein
    Well, Rule Britannia! Your pride in your native people is heartening.

    I wonder again why it is that these girls are throwing themselves at Africans and Arabs.

    these girls are throwing themselves at Africans and Arabs.

    much to our relief, I can tell you. It’s a truism that Brit men are much prettier than the women. And French (proper French) girls think we’re the dog’s .. so cultured, so well-mannered etc.
    And, astoundingly, less drunk than their garlicky brethren, in general. Couldn’t credit that one. They must be lying to get into my pants. OTOH the LadyBelges and Gerries treat us with overt contempt. No idea what’s going on there.

  174. @Romanian
    No, it is not, and I can't think of a place in the EU where it is. At most, the water is chlorinated in remote places (like this summer camp I went to when I was young), to make it fit to drink. But, as I understand it, adding fluoride to water is not a water treatment operation, but a medical one.

    Thanks much Mr. R !! Yes water fluoridation is a disputed medical issue. Some say it is harmful (I do) and some say it prevents tooth cavities especially in children.
    The latest scare in Romania is young boys developing breasts because of growth hormones in industrial chicken.
    This one was talked about years ago in America. I believe they are still used but in smaller amounts. Perhaps Romanian farmers are overdoing it to satisfy consumer demands for white chicken meat, the breasts of the chicken.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    You made me curious, so I specifically looked at what was written on Romanian websites regarding fluoridated water. The consensus is very skeptical regarding the medical benefits of ingesting the stuff, as opposed to simply washing the teeth with it. And it also suggested that children may have teething problems from the fluoridated water, as well as bone issues. The funnier argument was that, if one were to consider fluoridating water as a measure to get around a lack of resources of the population to acquire and use on a regular basis toothpaste and mouthwash, then it would be better to skip the middleman and simply subsidize their purchase of those products.

    Incidentally, my better half has become a health freak in a lifestyle sense ever since an illness shattered the illusion of immortality us "yoofs" have. One of the things she stopped using was fluoridated tooth paste. I just checked and she uses a different sort of paste, which is on the expensive side but supposedly very healthy. She could never get me to eat quinoa, however. Her meanderings online researching ingredients to find out what products not to buy have been really hair raising. The stuff in soaps that makes the huge suds is supposedly toxic. Her globo-brand hair dyes (her personal trademark was being a redhead with blue eyes) were toxic. A lot of her make-up. And that's just the stuff you keep on the outside of your body.

    PS Maybe the breasts thing is a sort of dog whistle among Romanian parents for fear of the West turning their boys into pajama boys. I'm not the most Alpha of fellows, but the number of people sporting effeminate hipster looks has exploded in recent years. Imagine man purses and scarves.

  175. @Michelle
    Well, I love blonde hair on women. Statham's girlfriend looks better in the second shot than the first, but she is not beautiful to me. Rosamond Pike is sweetly pretty. Beautiful, to my mind, is more like Catherine Zeta-Jones when she was young. Or Kate Bekinsale, or Fran Drescher, Jacqueline Smith., Sela Ward, Sean Young, Jane Seymour and Natalie Wood. Bob Marley's mistress, Cindy Breakspeare, beats them all. Beauty denotes a perfection and symetry of features, to me anyway. I am picking all dark haired beauties, but I love blonde hair, I really do. Women can be hot without being beautiful and also beautiful without being hot, like Elizabeth Taylor, for instance.

    I guess blonde is seen as more pretty or cute whereas brunette is really nuanced beauty? I think the most beautiful blonde I remember was Nicole Kidman in her prime (eg Batman Forever) but she often had red hair, so not sure she counts.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I guess blonde is seen as more pretty or cute whereas brunette is really nuanced beauty?"

    Blonde women are the preferred sex targets for Black and Arab Muslim rapists, but I know plenty of non rapist men who prefer brunettes over blondes.
  176. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Lordy, but Chandler was great . . . .

    Try Elmore Leonard and George Pelecanos.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Try Elmore Leonard and George Pelecanos.
     
    Thanks -- I have read both of these, and like them, but to me Chandler is incomparable.
  177. @Marcus
    I guess blonde is seen as more pretty or cute whereas brunette is really nuanced beauty? I think the most beautiful blonde I remember was Nicole Kidman in her prime (eg Batman Forever) but she often had red hair, so not sure she counts.

    “I guess blonde is seen as more pretty or cute whereas brunette is really nuanced beauty?”

    Blonde women are the preferred sex targets for Black and Arab Muslim rapists, but I know plenty of non rapist men who prefer brunettes over blondes.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    Blondes definitely get noticed faster regardless of how attractive they are in other respects, which is a double-edged sword, especially when blax or rapefugees are around.
  178. @Romanian
    The latest scare in Romania is young boys developing breasts because of growth hormones in industrial chicken. Also the presence of antibiotics and so on. And earlier development for girls (in every physical sense) is a reality. Looots of jailbait running around.

    “The latest scare in Romania is young boys developing breasts because of growth hormones in industrial chicken.”

    A lot of boys in The U.S have titties as well, due to obesity.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Well, we have growing obesity as well, though starting from a lower base. But I'm assuming the boys people refer to when discussing growth hormones and such are the ones who are too thin to have moobs, and can be diagnosed as having gynecomasty or something.
  179. @Clyde
    Thanks much Mr. R !! Yes water fluoridation is a disputed medical issue. Some say it is harmful (I do) and some say it prevents tooth cavities especially in children.
    The latest scare in Romania is young boys developing breasts because of growth hormones in industrial chicken.
    This one was talked about years ago in America. I believe they are still used but in smaller amounts. Perhaps Romanian farmers are overdoing it to satisfy consumer demands for white chicken meat, the breasts of the chicken.

    You made me curious, so I specifically looked at what was written on Romanian websites regarding fluoridated water. The consensus is very skeptical regarding the medical benefits of ingesting the stuff, as opposed to simply washing the teeth with it. And it also suggested that children may have teething problems from the fluoridated water, as well as bone issues. The funnier argument was that, if one were to consider fluoridating water as a measure to get around a lack of resources of the population to acquire and use on a regular basis toothpaste and mouthwash, then it would be better to skip the middleman and simply subsidize their purchase of those products.

    Incidentally, my better half has become a health freak in a lifestyle sense ever since an illness shattered the illusion of immortality us “yoofs” have. One of the things she stopped using was fluoridated tooth paste. I just checked and she uses a different sort of paste, which is on the expensive side but supposedly very healthy. She could never get me to eat quinoa, however. Her meanderings online researching ingredients to find out what products not to buy have been really hair raising. The stuff in soaps that makes the huge suds is supposedly toxic. Her globo-brand hair dyes (her personal trademark was being a redhead with blue eyes) were toxic. A lot of her make-up. And that’s just the stuff you keep on the outside of your body.

    PS Maybe the breasts thing is a sort of dog whistle among Romanian parents for fear of the West turning their boys into pajama boys. I’m not the most Alpha of fellows, but the number of people sporting effeminate hipster looks has exploded in recent years. Imagine man purses and scarves.

    • Replies: @OLD JEW
    quinoa nu e asa de rea.

    crupe de hrishca (buckwheat, kasha) e tare gustoasa.

    quinoa is not so bad.

    But kasha with bowties is very tasty.
    , @Clyde
    Good luck to your girlfriend on on all this. Seems like she has done well so far. Plain old baking soda makes a good toothpaste.
    .....but the number of people sporting effeminate hipster looks has exploded in recent years. Imagine man purses and scarves.
    I thought Romania would be spared such crap. At least you all avoided it longer than others.
  180. @Romanian
    You made me curious, so I specifically looked at what was written on Romanian websites regarding fluoridated water. The consensus is very skeptical regarding the medical benefits of ingesting the stuff, as opposed to simply washing the teeth with it. And it also suggested that children may have teething problems from the fluoridated water, as well as bone issues. The funnier argument was that, if one were to consider fluoridating water as a measure to get around a lack of resources of the population to acquire and use on a regular basis toothpaste and mouthwash, then it would be better to skip the middleman and simply subsidize their purchase of those products.

    Incidentally, my better half has become a health freak in a lifestyle sense ever since an illness shattered the illusion of immortality us "yoofs" have. One of the things she stopped using was fluoridated tooth paste. I just checked and she uses a different sort of paste, which is on the expensive side but supposedly very healthy. She could never get me to eat quinoa, however. Her meanderings online researching ingredients to find out what products not to buy have been really hair raising. The stuff in soaps that makes the huge suds is supposedly toxic. Her globo-brand hair dyes (her personal trademark was being a redhead with blue eyes) were toxic. A lot of her make-up. And that's just the stuff you keep on the outside of your body.

    PS Maybe the breasts thing is a sort of dog whistle among Romanian parents for fear of the West turning their boys into pajama boys. I'm not the most Alpha of fellows, but the number of people sporting effeminate hipster looks has exploded in recent years. Imagine man purses and scarves.

    quinoa nu e asa de rea.

    crupe de hrishca (buckwheat, kasha) e tare gustoasa.

    quinoa is not so bad.

    But kasha with bowties is very tasty.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    You can even make "coliva" with it ;)

    Do you know the joke with the young man receiving advice at his father's deathbed? The father tells him he should not confine himself to one woman over the course his life, but to switch between types and nationalities in accordance with the stage of his life. He should get a French girl in his 20s to have passionate love, a German woman in his 30s to take care of the household (it's an old joke, pre-feminazi) and raise obedient children, an English woman in his 40s to be a lady and not embarrass him, a Japanese woman in his 50s because they look younger and are refined and can wake up the libido and, finally, in his 60s, a Romanian woman. The son asks him why. "Someone has to organize the funeral and make the coliva"
  181. @Jim Don Bob
    Try Elmore Leonard and George Pelecanos.

    Try Elmore Leonard and George Pelecanos.

    Thanks — I have read both of these, and like them, but to me Chandler is incomparable.

  182. @Romanian
    The latest scare in Romania is young boys developing breasts because of growth hormones in industrial chicken. Also the presence of antibiotics and so on. And earlier development for girls (in every physical sense) is a reality. Looots of jailbait running around.

    Yeah I agree with that part; I think it’s below its *natural* level now cos diet etc.

    I have a separate pet theory that in the past people in western Europe (and maybe elsewhere) may have raised it artificially above the natural level but it’s just a pet theory.

  183. @Intelligent Dasein
    And what is the genomic explanation for Rosie's attraction to a short, bald guy nearly twenty years her senior?

    Dear “Intelligent” Dasein, you can find your answer here:
    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2016/05/11/alpha-male-body-language/

  184. @Jefferson
    "I guess blonde is seen as more pretty or cute whereas brunette is really nuanced beauty?"

    Blonde women are the preferred sex targets for Black and Arab Muslim rapists, but I know plenty of non rapist men who prefer brunettes over blondes.

    Blondes definitely get noticed faster regardless of how attractive they are in other respects, which is a double-edged sword, especially when blax or rapefugees are around.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    Yes, but I gosh darn guarantee you that Euro girls will still bleach their hair even if blonde hair attracts more riff-raff than men of quality. The truth is, blonde hair attracts both and the game is worth the candle.
  185. @Jefferson
    "The latest scare in Romania is young boys developing breasts because of growth hormones in industrial chicken."

    A lot of boys in The U.S have titties as well, due to obesity.

    Well, we have growing obesity as well, though starting from a lower base. But I’m assuming the boys people refer to when discussing growth hormones and such are the ones who are too thin to have moobs, and can be diagnosed as having gynecomasty or something.

  186. @OLD JEW
    quinoa nu e asa de rea.

    crupe de hrishca (buckwheat, kasha) e tare gustoasa.

    quinoa is not so bad.

    But kasha with bowties is very tasty.

    You can even make “coliva” with it 😉

    Do you know the joke with the young man receiving advice at his father’s deathbed? The father tells him he should not confine himself to one woman over the course his life, but to switch between types and nationalities in accordance with the stage of his life. He should get a French girl in his 20s to have passionate love, a German woman in his 30s to take care of the household (it’s an old joke, pre-feminazi) and raise obedient children, an English woman in his 40s to be a lady and not embarrass him, a Japanese woman in his 50s because they look younger and are refined and can wake up the libido and, finally, in his 60s, a Romanian woman. The son asks him why. “Someone has to organize the funeral and make the coliva”

  187. @Marcus
    Blondes definitely get noticed faster regardless of how attractive they are in other respects, which is a double-edged sword, especially when blax or rapefugees are around.

    Yes, but I gosh darn guarantee you that Euro girls will still bleach their hair even if blonde hair attracts more riff-raff than men of quality. The truth is, blonde hair attracts both and the game is worth the candle.

  188. @Romanian
    You made me curious, so I specifically looked at what was written on Romanian websites regarding fluoridated water. The consensus is very skeptical regarding the medical benefits of ingesting the stuff, as opposed to simply washing the teeth with it. And it also suggested that children may have teething problems from the fluoridated water, as well as bone issues. The funnier argument was that, if one were to consider fluoridating water as a measure to get around a lack of resources of the population to acquire and use on a regular basis toothpaste and mouthwash, then it would be better to skip the middleman and simply subsidize their purchase of those products.

    Incidentally, my better half has become a health freak in a lifestyle sense ever since an illness shattered the illusion of immortality us "yoofs" have. One of the things she stopped using was fluoridated tooth paste. I just checked and she uses a different sort of paste, which is on the expensive side but supposedly very healthy. She could never get me to eat quinoa, however. Her meanderings online researching ingredients to find out what products not to buy have been really hair raising. The stuff in soaps that makes the huge suds is supposedly toxic. Her globo-brand hair dyes (her personal trademark was being a redhead with blue eyes) were toxic. A lot of her make-up. And that's just the stuff you keep on the outside of your body.

    PS Maybe the breasts thing is a sort of dog whistle among Romanian parents for fear of the West turning their boys into pajama boys. I'm not the most Alpha of fellows, but the number of people sporting effeminate hipster looks has exploded in recent years. Imagine man purses and scarves.

    Good luck to your girlfriend on on all this. Seems like she has done well so far. Plain old baking soda makes a good toothpaste.
    …..but the number of people sporting effeminate hipster looks has exploded in recent years. Imagine man purses and scarves.
    I thought Romania would be spared such crap. At least you all avoided it longer than others.

  189. @Michelle
    https://goo.gl/photos/GivrP2JTdzc5CtfZ7

    Wow, the moderator printed my pic. Lay it on me brothers!!! I can take it. Though not in the least, “Beautiful”, my sister and I have always been considered “Good looking”, My father and brother, however, were considered, and I agree with the assessments, “Beautiful”.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    You look terrific. Cheekbones, nose, eyes, and a wry expression: I definitely would have wanted to get to know you and/or spawn a race of noble kinsmen back in the day, but I'm out of the game.

    I much prefer a woman with strong features and a womanly figure. Statham's GF looks much too wan and thin. Cheers!
  190. @Michelle
    Wow, the moderator printed my pic. Lay it on me brothers!!! I can take it. Though not in the least, "Beautiful", my sister and I have always been considered "Good looking", My father and brother, however, were considered, and I agree with the assessments, "Beautiful".

    You look terrific. Cheekbones, nose, eyes, and a wry expression: I definitely would have wanted to get to know you and/or spawn a race of noble kinsmen back in the day, but I’m out of the game.

    I much prefer a woman with strong features and a womanly figure. Statham’s GF looks much too wan and thin. Cheers!

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