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From the New York Times:

Detailed New National Maps Show How Neighborhoods Shape Children for Life

Some places lift children out of poverty. Others trap them there. Now cities are trying to do something about the difference.

By Emily Badger and Quoctrung Bui
Oct. 1, 2018

… The researchers believe much of this variation is driven by the neighborhoods themselves, not by differences in what brings people to live in them. The more years children spend in a good neighborhood, the greater the benefits they receive. And what matters, the researchers find, is a hyper-local setting: the environment within about half a mile of a child’s home.

At that scale, these patterns — a refinement of previous research at the county level — have become much less theoretical, and easier to act on. …

That metric is both more specific and more mysterious. Researchers still don’t understand exactly what leads some neighborhoods to nurture children, although they point to characteristics like more employed adults and two-parent families that are common among such places. …

The answers shown here are based on the adult earnings of 20.5 million children, captured in anonymous, individual-level census and tax data that links each child with his or her parents. That data covers nearly all children in America born between 1978 and 1983, although the map here illustrates the subset of those children raised in poorer families. …

Underscoring how difficult it will be to transform these places, the federal government has spent billions in struggling neighborhoods over the years, funneling as much as $500 million into some individual census tracts since 1990, according to a tally by researchers of major placed-based initiatives like block grants and housing redevelopment programs.

“And yet we’ve never been able as a country to fully know whether and to what degree those investments were efficacious,” said Kathryn Edin, a Princeton sociologist.

Ms. Edin and other researchers working with Mr. Chetty plan to re-examine those past government programs with the new data, which makes it possible to identify where children lived when they were exposed to those investments, and what happened to them afterward.

If the answers are not clear yet, there is a hint of answers coming, now that we have fine-grained data on millions of children, now that cities alarmed by the results are taking notice, now that philanthropists are lining up to help.

In Seattle, where all these pieces have converged, housing officials were recently driving past neighborhoods their map doesn’t identify, into “opportunity areas” where families have begun to move.

“I believe the results of the data, but we all wish we knew what the distinguishing attributes are, so that we could build them in other neighborhoods,” said Andria Lazaga, the director of policy and strategic initiatives with the Seattle Housing Authority. “That’s the dream — to figure that out.”

In other words, race matters in determining what’s Magic Dirt and what’s Tragic Dirt. But once you control for race, nobody still has a clue what distinguishes Magic Dirt from Tragic Dirt.

Chetty has refined his methodology somewhat over the years, but my in-depth 2015 analysis of his work, “Moneyball for Real Estate,” remains the best introduction to what he’s doing right and what problems remain.

 
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  1. Any ideas on the disparity b/w rural white Michigan vs Wisconsin?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    A lot of it has to do with recent economic ups and downs during the before and after periods measured. North Dakota had fracking and the Great Plains in general have had good crops and lots of demand from China.

    Michigan of course got hammered by the decline of the American auto industry

    Read my Moneyball for Real Estate critique for a million examples. Chetty is discovering real stuff, it's just not the stuff he thought he was going to discover. For example, I hadn't known that the 21st Century has been surprisingly good for the Great Plains until I started looking at Chetty's maps in 2013.

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Detroit.
    , @ThreeCranes
    I've lived in both places. Wisconsin attracted highly skilled German and Scandinavian machinists and engineers who went on to establish Evinrude, Briggs and Straton, Harley Davidson etc. They brought with them their egalitarian notions. They are clean, well-mannered, skilled, thoughtful people.

    Workers were attracted to Michigan by the prospect of high wages for simple jobs in the auto industry. They were low-class opportunists. Michigan was always a seedy, tawdry place compared to Wisconsin.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Any ideas on the disparity b/w rural white Michigan vs Wisconsin?

     

    Beer and cheese. Duh.

    Hosting the Packers doesn't hurt, either.
    , @WhatAboutBob
    Looks like white people create Magic Dirt while blacks and Native Americans create Tragic Dirt. Maybe research into that would help solve the mystery.
  2. Researchers still don’t understand exactly what leads some neighborhoods to nurture children,

    Maybe it’s because good parents live in those neighborhoods. Just a thought.

    • LOL: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Travis
    HBD has demonstrated that "good parenting" is like magic dirt , it only works for children with good DNA.
    , @Moses
    Oh come on.

    Everyone knows that "Good Neighborhoods" are built on magic dirt. The people that live there are lucky and have nothing to do with good child outcomes in those neighborhoods. It's magic.

    *sigh*

    Sometimes I feel like everywhere I look it's highly paid clueless academics in a real life version of "The Emperor With No Clothes."
  3. You’re damn straight gosh-darned tootin’ the great plains are filled with magic dirt, Steve, or at least the tall-grass prairie portion is. There was grass growing there for so many thousands of years that they have to 1-2 ft thick dark black topsoil. Try growing a garden in red clay, compared to that nice Midwest loam.

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Iowa and Illinois really do have some of the best food-growing dirt in the world.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

     

    I appreciate your mention of how tough it was for the pioneers in the upper Midwest. My ancestors (all Dutch) were among those who settled in NW Iowa.

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on -- families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success -- is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

    I admired them as a kid when we were taught about them in school, and I admire them much more now.

    I wonder how they're being presented in schools these days: as heroic, steadfast settlers -- or as the storm troopers of the invading oppressors stomping in to soak up the spoils of the native Americans' dispossession?

    , @Lurker
    It's weird that the left, given that they are supposedly all about being humanist, nurture over nature etc seem determined to leave actual human capital out of the equation altogether.
    , @Ziggy Coaldust and The Groypers from Mars
    I'm still not sure if anything will ever rival the red soil of the south as far as growing conditions go. When I visit the plains, I'm struck by how arid it is, while the greatest resource there seems to be quantity, whereas pretty much everywhere on the 81/95 corridor south of Harrisburg/York has a verdant lushness that reminds me almost of Central America, though there isn't much of it at the end of the day.

    Then again, when you have an arable grassland the size of Germany, France, and Spain put together sitting over mountain-replenished aquifers, the phrase "quantity is a quality all its own" never ringed truer.
    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    "It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles."

    Yeah, those Magic Dirt people brought about a true miracle:

    The Dust Bowl!
    , @Sarah Toga

    There was grass growing there for so many thousands of years that they have to 1-2 ft thick dark black topsoil.
     
    I understand the glaciers' movement back and forth across the region was a major factor in making that wonderful soil.

    Ice age + ice people, together, we can make a difference!
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    The Argentine pampas have 8 to 12 ft. thick rich top soils from jillions of years of erosion of the eastern slopes of the Andes. Most of the area is frost free for most or all year.
  4. Anon[926] • Disclaimer says:

    At this finer scale, parsing outcomes by race and neighborhood, poor white children in Charlotte have had more opportunity than poor black children, even when they’ve grown up in the same neighborhoods.

    In other communities, what separates neighborhoods is probably tied to incarceration. For some neighborhoods in Milwaukee or New Haven, as many as one in four poor black boys growing up in those places were incarcerated. Their neighborhoods — or something about how those neighborhoods were policed — sent more poor children into prison than out of poverty.

    The answers are not clear yet.

    So this whole thing is a mystery, except that controlling for everything but race white children “have more opportunity” than black children. And “neighborhood policing” may be at fault for black youths in prison, which is the only thing keepting theses young men from getting a job, getting married, and raising a brood of kids “with opportunity.”

    • Replies: @Currahee
    The concept of Holy Negro is essential to liberal liturgical thinking.

    If this belief were to be shattered, the cult of liberal would disintegrate.

    This is why HBD must continue to penetrate the smart fraction.

    All else will follow.
    , @BigDickNick
    There is a big linguistic trend of replacing the concept of achievement with the word "opportunity." My GF used to work at Teach for America where they have replaced "achievement gap" with "opportunities gap." The children of white mechanics do better in school than the children of black doctors because of "opportunities." Of course!

    Most people aren't as educated about race and school performance the way the typical iSteve reader is, so they just accept these seemingly plausible explanations that totally collapse if you look at the data.
  5. For any government program or community grant that targets a specific place, this data proposes a better way to pick those places — one based not on neighborhood poverty levels, but on whether we expect children will escape poverty as adults.

    Yes, it’s the next iteration of the Field Marshall Chetty Battle Plan for infiltrating and exploiting all that magic dirt once the Left is back in power.

    If you go over and visit Chetty’s actual site, i.e. https://www.opportunityatlas.org/, it’s quite a show: lovely graphics and layout. I admire the skill of his data presentation specialists.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yep. Chetty's studies will be used to locate low-income, low-IQ, dysfunctional black (and, to a degree, Hispanic) families into middle and upper-middle income white (and, presumably, Asian) neighborhoods on a micro level.

    What I mean is that this won't just be creating a Section 8 housing zone in a white area, i.e. a crappy part of town that can be avoided for the most part. Chetty's works specifically states that the black kids need to basically live down the street from white and Asian kids and that there not be too many other blacks around to screw them up.

    And what matters, the researchers find, is a hyper-local setting: the environment within about half a mile of a child’s home.
     
    This means sprinkling dangerous black families in white and Asian neighborhoods around the country. What's more, Chetty's earlier studies found that the black kids need to actually interact with the white and Asian kids, so community get-togethers will be pushed as well.

    Personally, I would back this. I'm sick to death of "I don't see color" whites having their cake and eating it too. Living like members of the KKK (well, the ten or twenty non-FBI informant members) while simultaneously looking down their noses at working-class whites who complain about losing their neighborhoods, they need to feel the pain of their politics.

    Let's see if their colorblindness miraculously heals when they have your typical black kids prowling their once-safe suburban street.

    At the moment, discussing politics (when allowed at all) with my Dem and cuck GOP neighbors and friends is the equivalent of arguing about the number of angels your can fit on the head of a pin. It's all abstract so what's the point. For the Dems, it about moral supreriority. For the cuck GOPers, it's about keeping your head down and getting by.

    Time to start having some skin in the game.
  6. In other words, race matters in determining what’s Magic Dirt and what’s Tragic Dirt. But once you control for race, nobody still has a clue what distinguishes Magic Dirt from Tragic Dirt.

    Crimestop is a powerful cognitive tool.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Crimestop is a powerful cognitive tool.
     
    Funny you mentioned that just now, El Data. A pop-up ad just told me that Crimestop will be included as a plug-in for the new Windows 11 (but only if I CLICK NOW!). It'll be one of those that are default-on causing me to have to re-figure out my software "tools".
    , @Currahee
    please see my comment above (reply to Anon 926)
  7. Quoctrung Bui

    ?!

    Heres my NYT names I made by mashing the keyboard with my hands:

    Buixol Tuekix
    Xeoui Pouyz
    Jioeum Jueqn

    • LOL: Autochthon
    • Replies: @F0337

    Buixol Tuekix
     
    Yeah, I remember Buixol. Used to lift with her bro. She had a svelte, slinky body but was always faintly redolent of chemicals.
    , @Karl
    7 Hippopatomousdrome > ?!


    well, you wouldn't kick his sister out of bed, I bet

    https://scontent-yyz1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/3accbde109709c43ccd2848be80abda3/5BEC99F2/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p750x750/34078484_467515513685138_3666179337926737920_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTc5ODcyMDYzNTEzMDU3MzI2Mg%3D%3D.2
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Where's Reg Caesar when you need him?!

    What'dya make outta that, Reg?
  8. This schtick gets so tiresome.

    Researchers pose as if they are extraterrestrial aliens who know nothing about American communities or differences in ethnic groups, and then use this pose of ignorance as a basis to strictly limit the terms of reference within which they operate to a politically-correct framework defined by Jewish-dominated media and academic institutions which so happens to further Jewish group interest and to undermine the interests of white gentile families and communities.

    In one of the tracts just north of Seattle’s 115th Street — a place that looks similarly leafy

    “similarly leafy” – does this mean researchers have eliminated magic leaves as the reason why people from some backgrounds do better in life than others?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    “similarly leafy” – does this mean researchers have eliminated magic leaves as the reason why people from some backgrounds do better in life than others?
     
    Leafiness is often an indication of an older neighborhood where broad leaf trees have matured. In Jacksonville, FL one of the worst neighborhoods in the city is very leafy. Poor people will often plant leafy trees like bananas. Newer developments often have fewer trees, especially close to the houses, or spindly trees that are newly delivered and planted to meet zoning codes.

    Areas of coniferous trees are not very leafy. Conifers are often planted for a quick fix, such as forming a visual screen to block out a view, since they grow much faster.

    High rise buildings tend to be low in leafiness due to having large parking lots where you don't want trees falling on parked cars in stormy weather.

    Poor areas where children have a tendency to move on up and out may have good public schools with good teachers, and good parents.

    Ethnicity is obviously a factor. A poor area with a lot of well-educated Eastern European immigrants will probably be more upwardly mobile than a poor area with a lot of Jamaicans.

  9. OT

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/oct/01/physics-was-built-by-men-cern-scientist-alessandro-strumia-remark-sparks-fury

    A senior Italian scientist has been suspended after he sparked fury during a presentation at Cern, the European nuclear research centre in Geneva, when he said physics was “invented and built by men, it’s not by invitation”.

    Prof Alessandro Strumia of Pisa University claimed during a seminar on gender issues in physics that male scientists were being discriminated against because of ideology.

    Cern issued a statement on Monday suspending Strumia with immediate effect pending an investigation for his “unacceptable” presentation, which was “contrary to the Cern code of conduct”.

    “Cern always strives to carry out its scientific mission in a peaceful and inclusive environment,” it said. However, attendees questioned why he was allowed to speak at all, given that his views are widely known.

    Those sexist Italian males – what have they ever done for science (apart from Fibonacci, Galileo, Cassini, Torricelli, Galvani, Volta, Mercalli, Pareto, Venturi, Cavalli-Sforza, Rubbia, Fermi, Marconi)?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    Didn't check Steve's earlier posts, did I?

    Never mind, how about this?

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/shortcuts/2018/oct/01/animal-house-rape-culture-brett-kavanaugh-teen-movie-viewing

    "Animal House and rape culture: what Brett Kavanaugh's teen-movie viewing taught us
    The supreme court nominee invoked frat-house movies at the Senate hearing as an example of ‘goofy’ behaviour. But these films were more like a manual for sexual assault"
     
    , @George
    CERN, that's that Euro government physics boondoggle, right? Take the man's money, respect the man's rules of polite discourse.
  10. @Achmed E. Newman
    You're damn straight gosh-darned tootin' the great plains are filled with magic dirt, Steve, or at least the tall-grass prairie portion is. There was grass growing there for so many thousands of years that they have to 1-2 ft thick dark black topsoil. Try growing a garden in red clay, compared to that nice Midwest loam.

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

    Iowa and Illinois really do have some of the best food-growing dirt in the world.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Iowa and Illinois really do have some of the best food-growing dirt in the world.

     

    It even smells nice.
    , @BR549
    World's cheapest calorie. You can float it to the Port of New Orleans using gravity. And scales to feed billions. Truly magic dirt.
    , @Clyde

    Iowa and Illinois really do have some of the best food-growing dirt in the world.
     
    50% of the reason they are our bread baskets (major soy growers too) is the land is level so suited for mechanized farming, which started off with teams of 7-14+ horses pulling the combines, disks and other machinery. These days the advanced laser guided, air conditioned, comfortable seating farm tractors go for a quarter million minimum.

    American Dutch technology as in New Holland tractors and farm equipment.
    http://agriculture1.newholland.com/nar/en-us

  11. @Steve Sailer
    Iowa and Illinois really do have some of the best food-growing dirt in the world.

    Iowa and Illinois really do have some of the best food-growing dirt in the world.

    It even smells nice.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    It even smells nice.
     
    No, it doesn’t, because there are too many hog operations.
  12. @anon
    Any ideas on the disparity b/w rural white Michigan vs Wisconsin?

    A lot of it has to do with recent economic ups and downs during the before and after periods measured. North Dakota had fracking and the Great Plains in general have had good crops and lots of demand from China.

    Michigan of course got hammered by the decline of the American auto industry

    Read my Moneyball for Real Estate critique for a million examples. Chetty is discovering real stuff, it’s just not the stuff he thought he was going to discover. For example, I hadn’t known that the 21st Century has been surprisingly good for the Great Plains until I started looking at Chetty’s maps in 2013.

    • Replies: @Muse
    The difference between Michigan and Wisconsin was palpable, even before the 2008 crash. I would suggest that Michigan suffered more from NAFTA than Wisconsin because the production work was more skilled work in Wisconsin than Michigan assembly line type work. Assembly line work was shipped to Mexico.

    Michigan has more Scots-Irish rednecks who immigrated from Appalachia during the great migration that took place to staff the Arsenal of democracy in WWII. The outcomes for the children of these folks are not as good as the Germans and Norwegians in Wisconsin. Michigan has 20% sun people vs 10% in Wisconsin, so between that group and the rednecks it is baked in the cake.
    , @Ziggy Coaldust and The Groypers from Mars
    "Chetty is discovering real stuff, it’s just not the stuff he thought he was going to discover."

    You do have to admit how darkly hilarious it is when these folks go out looking to reinforce the dogmatic sociological canon with hard data, only to end up with datapoints that reinforce wrongthink with startlingly objective clarity.

    It'd be as if the Vatican astronomers had ended up mathematically proving Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation in the course of trying to disprove Galileo, only to double back and pretend that all it meant was they still didn't know why exactly the Ptolemaic model of the universe behaved the way it did.
    , @anon
    Michigan always had something of a boomtown feel. Lumber is a semi-extractive industry. There was also a furniture industry that was in decline forever. They still make office furniture (steel case).

    Plus, the auto industry diffused through the state through parts and second tier manufacturing. And recreation was bigger (boats, cabins).

    When I was a kid, owning a boat and a small cabin on a lake was a common blue collar pastime. Back in the golden age.

    , @Jack D

    Chetty is discovering real stuff, it’s just not the stuff he thought he was going to discover.
     
    Chetty had better watch out what he discovers lest he discover himself right out of a job and into unpersonhood. But I suspect he is too shrewd for that.
    , @anonymous

    For example, I hadn’t known that the 21st Century has been surprisingly good for the Great Plains until I started looking at Chetty’s maps in 2013.
     
    The more Somalis we get the better it gets!
  13. @Achmed E. Newman
    You're damn straight gosh-darned tootin' the great plains are filled with magic dirt, Steve, or at least the tall-grass prairie portion is. There was grass growing there for so many thousands of years that they have to 1-2 ft thick dark black topsoil. Try growing a garden in red clay, compared to that nice Midwest loam.

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

    I appreciate your mention of how tough it was for the pioneers in the upper Midwest. My ancestors (all Dutch) were among those who settled in NW Iowa.

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on — families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success — is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

    I admired them as a kid when we were taught about them in school, and I admire them much more now.

    I wonder how they’re being presented in schools these days: as heroic, steadfast settlers — or as the storm troopers of the invading oppressors stomping in to soak up the spoils of the native Americans’ dispossession?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    People too stupid to become truly productive individuals, like commodity traders or community organizers. Or victims of the railroads.
    , @Twinkie

    There were not nearly enough trees to build much
     
    Iowa being devoid of trees is a later invention. Many parts of Iowa were actually quite forested until they were intentionally deforested to make way for agriculture. According to ISU, less than 6% of Iowa is forested today, but that number was as high as 20% at the beginning of the white settlement.

    But what beautiful, rich soil it is.
    , @F0337

    I wonder how they’re being presented in schools these days
     
    You can stop wondering
    , @Barnard
    It depends on the school and the school district, but I think the most progressive districts try not to talk about the actual settlers much at all anymore. Instead it is evil white slaveholders and racists plus a month or so on Martin Luther King. The kids don't learn anything about their actual ancestors. Peter Brimelow mentioned this once, the school he sent his kids to in Connecticut completely ignored the local regiment that fought with distinction in the Civil War.
    , @North Carolina Resident
    Idea for learning what is taught in school:

    Consider buying a history or social studies textbook on ebay or amazon. Used grade school textbooks usually are cheap.

    Let us know what you learn.
    , @istevefan

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart.
     
    From the biography of Lawrence Welk:


    The family lived on a homestead that is now a tourist attraction. They spent the cold North Dakota winter of their first year inside an upturned wagon covered in sod.
     
    , @Lagertha
    Well, they came for Laura Ingalls Wilder - removed her name from the Book Awards.

    www.wabe.org/little-house-on-the-controversy-laura-ingalls-wilders-name-removed-from-book-awa/

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/us/laura-ingalls-wilder-book-award-trnd/index.html
    , @peterike

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on — families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success — is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

     

    I would highly recommend the novel "Giants in the Earth" by Ole Edvart Rolvaag as a terrific fictional recreation of those times. It's quite moving, highly realistic in style, and really puts you right there in the time and place.

    It also gives you hints (unintentionally I think) of the kind of demented altruism that would turn these hard-driving Norwegian pioneers into the self-destructive Nordic cucks we know today.

    Forgive the link to Amazon:

    https://www.amazon.com/Giants-Earth-Prairie-Perennial-Classics/dp/0060931930
    , @Kylie
    Willa Cather's My Antonia is one of my favorite novels, in part for the way she celebrates the courage and resilience of those who settled on the plains of Nebraska. No preaching, just telling the story of their tenacity in the loveliest, most lyrical prose.

    "All the years that have passed have not dimmed my memory of that first glorious autumn."


    Writing just does not get any better than that.
  14. @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

     

    I appreciate your mention of how tough it was for the pioneers in the upper Midwest. My ancestors (all Dutch) were among those who settled in NW Iowa.

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on -- families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success -- is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

    I admired them as a kid when we were taught about them in school, and I admire them much more now.

    I wonder how they're being presented in schools these days: as heroic, steadfast settlers -- or as the storm troopers of the invading oppressors stomping in to soak up the spoils of the native Americans' dispossession?

    People too stupid to become truly productive individuals, like commodity traders or community organizers. Or victims of the railroads.

    • Replies: @Karl
    14 Redneck Farmer > People too stupid to become truly productive individuals, like commodity traders



    actual farmers don't talk shit about the market-intermediaries who are THE ONLY ONES making it possible to obtain a guaranteed price for a soybean harvest.

    Ergo, you are most likely another City Kid
  15. Is this one of those things where if you really Don’t understand it, it’ll never be explained properly?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    I think so. If you will not observe for race or heredity, you will steer gingerly around things like conscientiousness, religious worship and family structure, and you will maintain a constant bias toward exogenous factors, then yea verily, you will be dealing with Impenetrable Mysteries explainable only by the gnostic Elect.

    It's like investigating combustion but refusing to theorize oxygen. What causes combustion? Is a free-floating gas combining with a compound in a chemical reaction in the presence of heat? Nay, we already know that only Phlogistonic substances will burn. Our inquiry must therefore be directed to isolating Phlogiston!
    , @Alfa158
    I think it more a case of they don’t WANT to understand it, because understanding it and saying so will end their career. Therefore they’ll never be able to explain it.
  16. @Achmed E. Newman
    You're damn straight gosh-darned tootin' the great plains are filled with magic dirt, Steve, or at least the tall-grass prairie portion is. There was grass growing there for so many thousands of years that they have to 1-2 ft thick dark black topsoil. Try growing a garden in red clay, compared to that nice Midwest loam.

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

    It’s weird that the left, given that they are supposedly all about being humanist, nurture over nature etc seem determined to leave actual human capital out of the equation altogether.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Except that if you accept that people differ in human capital, there goes all your equalist dogma.
    , @bomag

    ...seem determined to leave actual human capital out of the equation
     
    They very much know about it, and study it so they can be sure the "bad" people aren't using it.

    Reminds me of the joke where Satan is mad because the only people listening to his back masked messages are clergy with reversing turntables.

    , @ThreeCranes
    "seem determined to leave actual human capital out of the equation altogether"

    That's right. Liberal intellectuals like to cite the philosopher John Rawls as providing a moral foundation for justice in our society. Paul Krugman says in the 1/11/2011 NYT, "My vision of economic morality is more or less Rawlsian...". Steven Pinker embraces Rawls view of blind justice in his book "The Blank Slate".

    Here are some longish quotes that are worth reading because they show just where Krugman and his ilk are coming from. From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy;

    "Rawls's negative thesis starts with the idea that citizens do not deserve to be born into a rich or a poor family, to be born naturally more or less gifted than others, to be born female or male, to be born a member of a particular racial group, and so on. Since these features of persons are morally arbitrary in this sense, citizens are not entitled to more of the benefits of social cooperation simply because of them. For example the fact that a citizen was born rich, white, and male provides no reason in itself for this citizen to be favored by social institutions." (my bold)

    "This negative thesis does not say how social goods should be distributed; it merely clears the decks. Rawls's positive distributive thesis is equality-based reciprocity. All social goods are to be distributed equally, unless an unequal distribution would be to everyone's advantage. The guiding idea is that since citizens are fundamentally equal, reasoning about justice should begin from a presumption that cooperatively-produced goods should be equally divided. Justice then requires that any inequalities must benefit all citizens, and particularly must benefit those who will have the least. Equality sets the baseline; from there any inequalities must improve everyone's situation, and especially the situation of the worst-off. These strong requirements of equality and reciprocal advantage are hallmarks of Rawls's theory of justice."


    "So, for example, if we assume that natural endowments and the willingness to use them are evenly distributed across children born into different social classes, (my bold) then within any type of occupation (generally specified) we should find that roughly one quarter of people in that occupation were born into the top 25% of the income distribution, one quarter were born into the second-highest 25% of the income distribution, one quarter were born into the second-lowest 25%, and one-quarter were born into the lowest 25%. Since class of origin is a morally arbitrary fact about citizens, justice does not allow class of origin to turn into unequal opportunities for education or meaningful work."


    "Rawlsian citizens are not only free and equal, they are also reasonable and rational. (my bold) The idea that citizens are reasonable is familiar from political liberalism. Reasonable citizens have the capacity to abide by fair terms of cooperation, even at the expense of their own interests, provided that others are also willing to do so. In justice as fairness, Rawls calls this reasonableness the capacity for a sense of justice. Citizens are also rational: they have the capacity to pursue and revise their own view of what is valuable in human life. Rawls calls this the capacity for a conception of the good. Together these capacities are called the two moral powers.

    However honorable their intent, with assumptions like these its no wonder that Krugman's and Chetty's schemes go haywire and we're at loggerheads with them.
  17. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Iowa and Illinois really do have some of the best food-growing dirt in the world.

     

    It even smells nice.

    It even smells nice.

    No, it doesn’t, because there are too many hog operations.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    What do you have against the smell of money?
  18. @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

     

    I appreciate your mention of how tough it was for the pioneers in the upper Midwest. My ancestors (all Dutch) were among those who settled in NW Iowa.

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on -- families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success -- is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

    I admired them as a kid when we were taught about them in school, and I admire them much more now.

    I wonder how they're being presented in schools these days: as heroic, steadfast settlers -- or as the storm troopers of the invading oppressors stomping in to soak up the spoils of the native Americans' dispossession?

    There were not nearly enough trees to build much

    Iowa being devoid of trees is a later invention. Many parts of Iowa were actually quite forested until they were intentionally deforested to make way for agriculture. According to ISU, less than 6% of Iowa is forested today, but that number was as high as 20% at the beginning of the white settlement.

    But what beautiful, rich soil it is.

  19. Although they point to characteristics like more employed adults and two-parent families that are common among such places…

    I could see the researchers scratching their heads on that one.
    “Hmm, maybe there’s something there?”. “No, I don’t think there’s any there there…”.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  20. @anon
    Any ideas on the disparity b/w rural white Michigan vs Wisconsin?

    Detroit.

  21. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/oct/01/physics-was-built-by-men-cern-scientist-alessandro-strumia-remark-sparks-fury

    A senior Italian scientist has been suspended after he sparked fury during a presentation at Cern, the European nuclear research centre in Geneva, when he said physics was “invented and built by men, it’s not by invitation”.

    Prof Alessandro Strumia of Pisa University claimed during a seminar on gender issues in physics that male scientists were being discriminated against because of ideology.

    Cern issued a statement on Monday suspending Strumia with immediate effect pending an investigation for his “unacceptable” presentation, which was “contrary to the Cern code of conduct”.

    “Cern always strives to carry out its scientific mission in a peaceful and inclusive environment,” it said. However, attendees questioned why he was allowed to speak at all, given that his views are widely known.
     
    Those sexist Italian males - what have they ever done for science (apart from Fibonacci, Galileo, Cassini, Torricelli, Galvani, Volta, Mercalli, Pareto, Venturi, Cavalli-Sforza, Rubbia, Fermi, Marconi)?

    Didn’t check Steve’s earlier posts, did I?

    Never mind, how about this?

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/shortcuts/2018/oct/01/animal-house-rape-culture-brett-kavanaugh-teen-movie-viewing

    “Animal House and rape culture: what Brett Kavanaugh’s teen-movie viewing taught us
    The supreme court nominee invoked frat-house movies at the Senate hearing as an example of ‘goofy’ behaviour. But these films were more like a manual for sexual assault”

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Animal House? Pfffft. Let's talked about the Porky's franchise: is it even legal anymore to own, distribute, screen, or view those (hilarious) films?


    Zippity Doo Da...
    , @Hippopotamusdrome

    the movie’s abiding scene was when freshman Pinto’s prospective conquest passes out, drunk and topless, at a party

     

    Not mentioned, she passes out while sitting on top of him while he lies undressed on a bed, and she is topless because she just finished removing her own bra herself. And then he didn't do anything.

    So a movie where guy doesn't molest a passed out drunk girl is "a dodgy celebration of rape culture"? Does anyone get raped in Animal House?

    Sixteen Candles
    Came out in 1984.

    Revenge of the Nerds
    1984

    Fast Times at Ridgemont High
    Aug 13, 1982

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Lord knows that my personality was, like, totally shaped by Animal House, as I'm sure it was for most of us.

    Above all else, we'll always have: "Listen, you fucked up; you trusted us."
    , @Pericles

    But these films were more like a manual for sexual assault

     

    Written, greenlit and financed by Jews, I presume?
    , @njguy73
    But the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if in fifty years, school textbooks state that the Germans did bomb Pearl Harbor.
  22. Q: Is ______ racist?
    A: True

    dating apps:

    Dating apps are RACIST and should be redesigned without racial filters, study claims

    Dating apps that allow users to filter their searches by race – or rely on algorithms that pair up people of the same race – reinforce racial divisions and biases, according to a new paper by Cornell University researchers.

    Researchers called for the apps to be redesigned, and for ‘racist’ algorithms should be reprogrammed.

    Experts say that amid the huge rise in the usage of dating apps are meaning people are failing to meet diverse potential partners.

    • Replies: @F0337

    Dating apps that allow users to filter their searches by race – or rely on algorithms that pair up people of the same race – reinforce racial divisions and biases, according to a new paper by Cornell University researchers.

    Researchers called for the apps to be redesigned, and for ‘racist’ algorithms should be reprogrammed.

    Experts say that amid the huge rise in the usage of dating apps are meaning people are failing to meet diverse potential partners.
     
    Those researchers are absolute geniuses. No wonder they make the big bucks.
    , @anon
    I have this nagging feeling there's a subversive young adult novel waiting to be written set in a world of compulsory miscegenation, where the (sure, why not?) black heroine has to fight to be with her true black love.
    , @Anon
    And transphobic -- chicks-with-dicks are not being presented to het males.
    , @DFH
    How long till they come after prostitutes who don't accept black clients?
    , @Anonymous
    Hmmph ... Why stop there? Those dating apps are also sexist and transphobic! Why “allow users to filter searches by race” OR gender? Excuse me, I meant birth-gender! If you’re really sincere about looking for love then you shouldn’t limit yourself to the OPPOSITE sex.
    , @L Woods
    I'm sure we'll be getting rid of filters for income and height right after.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    This is hardly new. The preachiest urban weeklies have always been supported by personal ads in the back pages. Almost all the identifiers are racially specific, and most are looking for "same".
  23. @Steve Sailer
    A lot of it has to do with recent economic ups and downs during the before and after periods measured. North Dakota had fracking and the Great Plains in general have had good crops and lots of demand from China.

    Michigan of course got hammered by the decline of the American auto industry

    Read my Moneyball for Real Estate critique for a million examples. Chetty is discovering real stuff, it's just not the stuff he thought he was going to discover. For example, I hadn't known that the 21st Century has been surprisingly good for the Great Plains until I started looking at Chetty's maps in 2013.

    The difference between Michigan and Wisconsin was palpable, even before the 2008 crash. I would suggest that Michigan suffered more from NAFTA than Wisconsin because the production work was more skilled work in Wisconsin than Michigan assembly line type work. Assembly line work was shipped to Mexico.

    Michigan has more Scots-Irish rednecks who immigrated from Appalachia during the great migration that took place to staff the Arsenal of democracy in WWII. The outcomes for the children of these folks are not as good as the Germans and Norwegians in Wisconsin. Michigan has 20% sun people vs 10% in Wisconsin, so between that group and the rednecks it is baked in the cake.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The dairy farms of Wisconsin are beautiful.
    , @Polynikes
    I'd say your pretty close. To wit, Wisconsin still retains a significant skilled manufacturing base. Hardly any of it is automotive, though. Also, the Nordic population. It's heavy in Northern and Western Wisconsin, but not very prominent at all in Michigan.

    If it were just crops you would expect Central Indiana and Southern and Central Illinois to be better.
  24. @Hypnotoad666

    Researchers still don’t understand exactly what leads some neighborhoods to nurture children,
     
    Maybe it's because good parents live in those neighborhoods. Just a thought.

    HBD has demonstrated that “good parenting” is like magic dirt , it only works for children with good DNA.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    ...and good DNA comes from good parents. Almost as if the cycle is reinforcing!
  25. @Muse
    The difference between Michigan and Wisconsin was palpable, even before the 2008 crash. I would suggest that Michigan suffered more from NAFTA than Wisconsin because the production work was more skilled work in Wisconsin than Michigan assembly line type work. Assembly line work was shipped to Mexico.

    Michigan has more Scots-Irish rednecks who immigrated from Appalachia during the great migration that took place to staff the Arsenal of democracy in WWII. The outcomes for the children of these folks are not as good as the Germans and Norwegians in Wisconsin. Michigan has 20% sun people vs 10% in Wisconsin, so between that group and the rednecks it is baked in the cake.

    The dairy farms of Wisconsin are beautiful.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    The dairy farms of Wisconsin are beautiful.
     
    We drove from the ancestral village in NW Iowa to Chicago this past summer. When we crossed the Mississippi at Dubuque, we took back roads across the very southern edge of Wisconsin, an area I'd never been to before. I was astonished by how lovely it was. I had to admit to the rest of the Calvinists in the car that yes, so far as the evidence indicated, the scenery improved a lot by crossing from Iowa into Wisconsin.
    , @Mr. Rational
    You can drive by and smell their dairy air.
  26. The left continually ignores the fact that the quality of the people in a community is directly related to whether it’s a decent place or not, because it tends not to reflect well on their favorite pet peoples. In community development, you often see assertions that if we just plopped down some new affordable apartment buildings or a Starbucks in an awful neighborhood, it would have a transformational effect.

    I used to live in a DC neighborhood that had long struggled with crime and all the other urban ills, but apparently the local elementary school had done well in recent years (relatively speaking of course) and the reward was the city spent something like $10M on fixing up the playground and park around the school. Within a matter of weeks the new playground equipment was largely ruined and the park was being enjoyed by the local drug gang and pit bull enthusiasts. After a couple of years you couldn’t tell that anything had ever been done to improve the park in the first place.

    Same thing with new affordable housing. You can go into some lower income areas and see that people are trying to at least maintain their property and a new building will generally attract decent people with the same mindset. But go into a neighborhood with loads of trash on the street, high crime and all the rest, and after a year a new property will look like it’s 10 years old.

  27. @Travis
    HBD has demonstrated that "good parenting" is like magic dirt , it only works for children with good DNA.

    …and good DNA comes from good parents. Almost as if the cycle is reinforcing!

  28. @Hippopotamusdrome


    Quoctrung Bui

     

    ?!

    Heres my NYT names I made by mashing the keyboard with my hands:

    Buixol Tuekix
    Xeoui Pouyz
    Jioeum Jueqn

    Buixol Tuekix

    Yeah, I remember Buixol. Used to lift with her bro. She had a svelte, slinky body but was always faintly redolent of chemicals.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    I was prescribed Buixol for boofing but it made me sick.
  29. @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

     

    I appreciate your mention of how tough it was for the pioneers in the upper Midwest. My ancestors (all Dutch) were among those who settled in NW Iowa.

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on -- families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success -- is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

    I admired them as a kid when we were taught about them in school, and I admire them much more now.

    I wonder how they're being presented in schools these days: as heroic, steadfast settlers -- or as the storm troopers of the invading oppressors stomping in to soak up the spoils of the native Americans' dispossession?

    I wonder how they’re being presented in schools these days

    You can stop wondering

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    That's what I was afraid of.
  30. How much of the small-scale variation between nearby neighborhoods that the article makes so much of is just statistical noise? Some of the tracts I examined may not have had enough poor children to yield valid statistics.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Right. There's a lot of noise in the neighborhood data. The "All" maps of the entire population is largely driven by race. You can look at individual races, but it's hard to tell how many people are in different neighborhoods.

    It would be interesting if they could find, say, two side by side school districts that were seen as equally good during the base period but they chose different policies -- e.g., phonics vs. whole word -- with real world differences. But they don't seem to have come up with much like that.

  31. @Muse
    The difference between Michigan and Wisconsin was palpable, even before the 2008 crash. I would suggest that Michigan suffered more from NAFTA than Wisconsin because the production work was more skilled work in Wisconsin than Michigan assembly line type work. Assembly line work was shipped to Mexico.

    Michigan has more Scots-Irish rednecks who immigrated from Appalachia during the great migration that took place to staff the Arsenal of democracy in WWII. The outcomes for the children of these folks are not as good as the Germans and Norwegians in Wisconsin. Michigan has 20% sun people vs 10% in Wisconsin, so between that group and the rednecks it is baked in the cake.

    I’d say your pretty close. To wit, Wisconsin still retains a significant skilled manufacturing base. Hardly any of it is automotive, though. Also, the Nordic population. It’s heavy in Northern and Western Wisconsin, but not very prominent at all in Michigan.

    If it were just crops you would expect Central Indiana and Southern and Central Illinois to be better.

    • Replies: @Eric Rasmusen
    Southern Illinois adn Indiana are different from the north--- they weren't glaciated, and have far worse soil.
    , @Karl
    31 Polynikes > Wisconsin still retains a significant skilled manufacturing base. Hardly any of it is automotive, though


    WI actually has a pretty strong sector which caters to the US Navy's need for specialized diesel engines
  32. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Q: Is ______ racist?
    A: True

    dating apps:

    Dating apps are RACIST and should be redesigned without racial filters, study claims

    Dating apps that allow users to filter their searches by race - or rely on algorithms that pair up people of the same race - reinforce racial divisions and biases, according to a new paper by Cornell University researchers.

    Researchers called for the apps to be redesigned, and for 'racist' algorithms should be reprogrammed.

    Experts say that amid the huge rise in the usage of dating apps are meaning people are failing to meet diverse potential partners.

     

    Dating apps that allow users to filter their searches by race – or rely on algorithms that pair up people of the same race – reinforce racial divisions and biases, according to a new paper by Cornell University researchers.

    Researchers called for the apps to be redesigned, and for ‘racist’ algorithms should be reprogrammed.

    Experts say that amid the huge rise in the usage of dating apps are meaning people are failing to meet diverse potential partners.

    Those researchers are absolute geniuses. No wonder they make the big bucks.

  33. Most car accidents happen within a few miles of home. Why doesn’t everybody just move?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    LOL, too, and that's why I wait until I'm at least 10 miles away from home to take off my seat belt and look for uneaten bags of goldfish in the back of the station wagon. It's been working great. Good thing we have the AAA for these valuable tidbits.
    , @Alfa158
    Its worse than that. I moved because I read that most accidents of all types happen at home so I got the hell out.
    Seriously though, "Most car accidents happen within a few miles of home. Why doesn’t everybody just move?" is exactly the logic that drives the Magic Dirt/ Tragic Dirt policies. Most crimes and poverty happen in neighborhoods full of brown people so we need to move them into neighborhoods full of White people.
  34. @Steve Sailer
    The dairy farms of Wisconsin are beautiful.

    The dairy farms of Wisconsin are beautiful.

    We drove from the ancestral village in NW Iowa to Chicago this past summer. When we crossed the Mississippi at Dubuque, we took back roads across the very southern edge of Wisconsin, an area I’d never been to before. I was astonished by how lovely it was. I had to admit to the rest of the Calvinists in the car that yes, so far as the evidence indicated, the scenery improved a lot by crossing from Iowa into Wisconsin.

    • Replies: @Muse
    The southwestern area of Wisconsin is known as the driftless area. Some of the area extends into Iowa. If you like to fish, it has some of the best trout streams for fly fishing in the US. Very different feel though from out west. There are small, numerous cold flowing streams in small, narrow valleys. All catch and release, and carefully managed and maintained by Wisconsin DNR. Best enjoyed with a guide as stream conditions can vary widely by the day and year.
  35. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Q: Is ______ racist?
    A: True

    dating apps:

    Dating apps are RACIST and should be redesigned without racial filters, study claims

    Dating apps that allow users to filter their searches by race - or rely on algorithms that pair up people of the same race - reinforce racial divisions and biases, according to a new paper by Cornell University researchers.

    Researchers called for the apps to be redesigned, and for 'racist' algorithms should be reprogrammed.

    Experts say that amid the huge rise in the usage of dating apps are meaning people are failing to meet diverse potential partners.

     

    I have this nagging feeling there’s a subversive young adult novel waiting to be written set in a world of compulsory miscegenation, where the (sure, why not?) black heroine has to fight to be with her true black love.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @fish

    I have this nagging feeling there’s a subversive young adult novel waiting to be written set in a world of compulsory miscegenation, where the (sure, why not?) black heroine has to fight to be with her true black love.
     
    Unmutual.....UNMUTUAL!!!!
  36. @Achmed E. Newman
    You're damn straight gosh-darned tootin' the great plains are filled with magic dirt, Steve, or at least the tall-grass prairie portion is. There was grass growing there for so many thousands of years that they have to 1-2 ft thick dark black topsoil. Try growing a garden in red clay, compared to that nice Midwest loam.

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

    I’m still not sure if anything will ever rival the red soil of the south as far as growing conditions go. When I visit the plains, I’m struck by how arid it is, while the greatest resource there seems to be quantity, whereas pretty much everywhere on the 81/95 corridor south of Harrisburg/York has a verdant lushness that reminds me almost of Central America, though there isn’t much of it at the end of the day.

    Then again, when you have an arable grassland the size of Germany, France, and Spain put together sitting over mountain-replenished aquifers, the phrase “quantity is a quality all its own” never ringed truer.

  37. @Zapper
    How much of the small-scale variation between nearby neighborhoods that the article makes so much of is just statistical noise? Some of the tracts I examined may not have had enough poor children to yield valid statistics.

    Right. There’s a lot of noise in the neighborhood data. The “All” maps of the entire population is largely driven by race. You can look at individual races, but it’s hard to tell how many people are in different neighborhoods.

    It would be interesting if they could find, say, two side by side school districts that were seen as equally good during the base period but they chose different policies — e.g., phonics vs. whole word — with real world differences. But they don’t seem to have come up with much like that.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    It would be interesting if they could find, say, two side by side school districts that were seen as equally good during the base period but they chose different policies — e.g., phonics vs. whole word — with real world differences.
     
    I think the modern tendency is to use a mixture of both. My soon-to-be-six-year-old can spell out words quite well, but also has lists of "sight" words to memorize. English, unlike Spanish, does not lend itself too well to phonics.

    Part of the problem is explaining abstractions to very young children. Explaining that "oo" can be as in "look" or as in "food" is just too complicated, and never mind words like "feud" as opposed to "food" or "lewd".

    "Cat sat on mat" is fine for phonics, but the definite article is a sight word.

    Education still has a long way to go in figuring out what works. As a science, it is still at the point where biology was before Darwin.

    Schools will send third-grade students for whom English is a second language homework exercises that are not too difficult in themselves, except that college level English comprehension is often necessary to understand the instructions on how to complete the assignment--which does not work so well if the parents in the home don't have those skills.

  38. @Steve Sailer
    A lot of it has to do with recent economic ups and downs during the before and after periods measured. North Dakota had fracking and the Great Plains in general have had good crops and lots of demand from China.

    Michigan of course got hammered by the decline of the American auto industry

    Read my Moneyball for Real Estate critique for a million examples. Chetty is discovering real stuff, it's just not the stuff he thought he was going to discover. For example, I hadn't known that the 21st Century has been surprisingly good for the Great Plains until I started looking at Chetty's maps in 2013.

    “Chetty is discovering real stuff, it’s just not the stuff he thought he was going to discover.”

    You do have to admit how darkly hilarious it is when these folks go out looking to reinforce the dogmatic sociological canon with hard data, only to end up with datapoints that reinforce wrongthink with startlingly objective clarity.

    It’d be as if the Vatican astronomers had ended up mathematically proving Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation in the course of trying to disprove Galileo, only to double back and pretend that all it meant was they still didn’t know why exactly the Ptolemaic model of the universe behaved the way it did.

  39. Here in Canada we had a couple hundred blacks that left Oklahoma and settled on land in Alberta’s northern great plains. Today these are thriving grain and ranching lands with nary a trace of the original black settlers who gave up and moved to cities to become porters, etc.
    Perhaps the dirt was not magic back then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Valley,_Alberta

  40. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Q: Is ______ racist?
    A: True

    dating apps:

    Dating apps are RACIST and should be redesigned without racial filters, study claims

    Dating apps that allow users to filter their searches by race - or rely on algorithms that pair up people of the same race - reinforce racial divisions and biases, according to a new paper by Cornell University researchers.

    Researchers called for the apps to be redesigned, and for 'racist' algorithms should be reprogrammed.

    Experts say that amid the huge rise in the usage of dating apps are meaning people are failing to meet diverse potential partners.

     

    And transphobic — chicks-with-dicks are not being presented to het males.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Actually, unfortunately, they are. I see them all the time now. I will say that most of them are gracious enough to announce their status up front in their profiles...for now.
  41. @F0337

    Buixol Tuekix
     
    Yeah, I remember Buixol. Used to lift with her bro. She had a svelte, slinky body but was always faintly redolent of chemicals.

    I was prescribed Buixol for boofing but it made me sick.

  42. The “half mile” part is ominous. That will probably become the new standard of how spread out the black underclass, immigrants and refugees must be. No white person will be allowed to live even half a mile away from vibrant diversity.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    That's pretty much how it works in CA. Unless you're in a gated community*, chances are you're less than one half mile away from low-income housing. If you don't believe me, look at your city's low income rentals by the map. Tell me how far it is from your house. For me, it's right down the street, and there are million dollar homes two streets away from me in the opposite direction.

    Of course, these maps won't include the homes where someone is getting a break on their loan, or not having to pay at all. Those situations can be a disabled person or a senior, but sometimes it's a low-income family that the local gov't just plopped down into a rental. I've already ranted here about that happening in our last neighborhood and what a TOTAL disaster it was.

    *for fun I looked up low-income housing Granite Bay and it turns out the rich people have no section 8 apartments. There's some stuff for seniors (that doesn't count IMO) but nothing for vibrancy.
  43. @Steve Sailer
    Iowa and Illinois really do have some of the best food-growing dirt in the world.

    World’s cheapest calorie. You can float it to the Port of New Orleans using gravity. And scales to feed billions. Truly magic dirt.

  44. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Someone tell this to Paul Ryan and Devin Nunes

    The Dutch love cheese, and ghee, and milk. They love their milk cold, which they take separate from tea or coffee.

    The dairy products come from some 1.7 million cows spread on 17,500 farms across The Netherlands and they produce about 15 billion litres of milk annually.

    Most of the dairy farms, interestingly, have no workers, with robots calling all the shots when it comes to how and when to feed the cows, clean the sheds and milk the animals.

    Ourselves we are the eighth generation farmers in the Vollering family. Our father started the process of modernising the farm in 1966 by moving it to the current location in Waarder,” says Adrie.

    Adrie and Bert have then continued with the modernisation of the farm that sits on 70 acres, with pasture standing on half of it. They built modern barns in 2011 and automated them for efficiency.

    “We have no worker on the farm. My brother and I take turns to monitor activities, which are performed by robots. Occasionally, we have a volunteer but the farm is fully automated.”

    https://www.nation.co.ke/business/seedsofgold/Psst–Robots-at-work/2301238-4782426-rnayjgz/index.html

    • Replies: @Karl
    44 [204] > Occasionally, we have a volunteer but the farm is fully automated


    i'm so old, i can remember when a lot of kibbutz'im used to take in lots and lots of the foreign volunteers, halfway only because they wanted the kibbutz kids to be able to more easily get married off, without "migrating" to Rootless Cosmopolitan Tel Aviv.... And it's been DECADES since the majority of foreign volunteers were "Jewish"


    nowadays, the Volcani agri-extension veterinarians are telling everyone to minimize the amount of humans that the cows ever get exposed to.

    the cows here, nowadays are functioning at like 103% of theoretical maximum milk-production capacity. Doesn't leave much "wiggle room" for rocking the boat on their environment

    Anyway, our rural youths nowadays have THOROUGHLY picked up on drunken partying in mid-sized cities. Great overtime-pay for the blue-uniformed cops.

    The younger cops, in the grey BDUs & bright green berets, are Border Police conscripts. No overtime pay!
  45. So what is the rhetorical trick they are pulling? What is the policy goal they are prepping us for?

    All their talk about “neighborhoods” being good or bad (as opposed to people) is redolent of “streets” talk. As in “he lives on a dangerous street” or “mean streets” or “the streets got that poor boy” or “he started hanging out on the ‘streets” and ‘fell in with’ a ‘bad crowd’”. The shift away from individuals to land [i.e. magic/tragic dirt] is blatant.

    Once they have Chetty established as the expert analyst of poverty, what Congressional hearings for what new welfare programs are they going to have him testify at?

    They are headed somewhere, quite deliberately, but where?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Pushing blacks out of gentrifiable inner cities into racist suburbs and small towns.

    Blacks in DC have called pushing blacks out of DC The Plan for 50 years, and it's coming true all over. Chetty's data will be cited as to why it's good for blacks who used to have a housing project a mile from Chicago's most expensive real estate to go live in Dubuque where they will have more opportunity.

  46. @F0337

    I wonder how they’re being presented in schools these days
     
    You can stop wondering

    That’s what I was afraid of.

  47. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Q: Is ______ racist?
    A: True

    dating apps:

    Dating apps are RACIST and should be redesigned without racial filters, study claims

    Dating apps that allow users to filter their searches by race - or rely on algorithms that pair up people of the same race - reinforce racial divisions and biases, according to a new paper by Cornell University researchers.

    Researchers called for the apps to be redesigned, and for 'racist' algorithms should be reprogrammed.

    Experts say that amid the huge rise in the usage of dating apps are meaning people are failing to meet diverse potential partners.

     

    How long till they come after prostitutes who don’t accept black clients?

    • Replies: @jim jones
    I have known a few hookers and all they care about is money
    , @fish

    How long till they come after prostitutes who don’t accept black clients?

     

    Should be right now! Laws for Public Accommodation doncha know!
  48. @Twinkie

    It even smells nice.
     
    No, it doesn’t, because there are too many hog operations.

    What do you have against the smell of money?

    • LOL: Twinkie
  49. @Achilles
    This schtick gets so tiresome.

    Researchers pose as if they are extraterrestrial aliens who know nothing about American communities or differences in ethnic groups, and then use this pose of ignorance as a basis to strictly limit the terms of reference within which they operate to a politically-correct framework defined by Jewish-dominated media and academic institutions which so happens to further Jewish group interest and to undermine the interests of white gentile families and communities.

    In one of the tracts just north of Seattle’s 115th Street — a place that looks similarly leafy
     
    "similarly leafy" - does this mean researchers have eliminated magic leaves as the reason why people from some backgrounds do better in life than others?

    “similarly leafy” – does this mean researchers have eliminated magic leaves as the reason why people from some backgrounds do better in life than others?

    Leafiness is often an indication of an older neighborhood where broad leaf trees have matured. In Jacksonville, FL one of the worst neighborhoods in the city is very leafy. Poor people will often plant leafy trees like bananas. Newer developments often have fewer trees, especially close to the houses, or spindly trees that are newly delivered and planted to meet zoning codes.

    Areas of coniferous trees are not very leafy. Conifers are often planted for a quick fix, such as forming a visual screen to block out a view, since they grow much faster.

    High rise buildings tend to be low in leafiness due to having large parking lots where you don’t want trees falling on parked cars in stormy weather.

    Poor areas where children have a tendency to move on up and out may have good public schools with good teachers, and good parents.

    Ethnicity is obviously a factor. A poor area with a lot of well-educated Eastern European immigrants will probably be more upwardly mobile than a poor area with a lot of Jamaicans.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    West Indian immigrants are probably more upwardly mobile than African Americans, especially in New York.
  50. The People are against you

    Read the comments

    white men are going to have to get used to sharing equality

    • Troll: Charles Pewitt
  51. Do you think Chetty is sincerely obtuse, or just playing the game?

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Raj Chetty is an evil Third World snot who knows damn well that race and intelligence are inextricably linked. Raj Chetty also knows damn well that race and culture are linked, as well as race and civilization. Raj Chetty is anti-White.

    Raj Chetty is a frontman propaganda functionary for the evil WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire.

    The ASIAN QUESTION as represented by Raj Chetty and the JEW QUESTION as represented by Mark Zuckerberg and the MORMON QUESTION as represented by Jeff Flake will soon be widely discussed in American politics.

    Raj Chetty and Jeff Flake and Mark Zuckerberg all push open borders mass legal immigration and nation-wrecking multicultural mayhem.
  52. @Polynikes
    I'd say your pretty close. To wit, Wisconsin still retains a significant skilled manufacturing base. Hardly any of it is automotive, though. Also, the Nordic population. It's heavy in Northern and Western Wisconsin, but not very prominent at all in Michigan.

    If it were just crops you would expect Central Indiana and Southern and Central Illinois to be better.

    Southern Illinois adn Indiana are different from the north— they weren’t glaciated, and have far worse soil.

  53. @Big Bill
    So what is the rhetorical trick they are pulling? What is the policy goal they are prepping us for?

    All their talk about "neighborhoods" being good or bad (as opposed to people) is redolent of "streets" talk. As in "he lives on a dangerous street" or "mean streets" or "the streets got that poor boy" or "he started hanging out on the 'streets" and 'fell in with' a 'bad crowd'". The shift away from individuals to land [i.e. magic/tragic dirt] is blatant.

    Once they have Chetty established as the expert analyst of poverty, what Congressional hearings for what new welfare programs are they going to have him testify at?

    They are headed somewhere, quite deliberately, but where?

    Pushing blacks out of gentrifiable inner cities into racist suburbs and small towns.

    Blacks in DC have called pushing blacks out of DC The Plan for 50 years, and it’s coming true all over. Chetty’s data will be cited as to why it’s good for blacks who used to have a housing project a mile from Chicago’s most expensive real estate to go live in Dubuque where they will have more opportunity.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    The conundrum to "the plan" is how do they push for demographic change for towns like: Rye, Great Neck, Katonah, Chappaqua, Oyster Bay, Franklin Lakes, East Orange, Morristown, West Port, Darien, New Canaan, Madison, Cheshire, etc.? - and about 400+ more towns surrounding NYC. Minorities are very resentful that they were pushed to the Bronx, but now they are being pushed further. Unless Chetty will some day call for transporting people all the way to Iowa/Nebraska/Oklahoma, how will Progressives feel when they must accept change in their towns that are close to Boston, NYC, DC, and, how does Chetty finagle it? Will the hypocrisy of Progressives & their cult of diversity finally be exposed? I didn't mention low/middle income white towns in the Tri-State area since the school test scores are low/mediocre; divorce rate is high (slow recovery from 2008); and many people are also, moving out of non-affluent towns to Carolinas, FLA, etc. Lastly, many upper income people are leaving the Tri-State area, for those same states, as well....some for taxes, some for sun, some to be closer to their kids. Houses over 700K are on the market for a year or more (not Gold Coast or Hamptons, etc.)
    , @Joe Schmoe
    Blacks in rural areas and small towns aren't doing great. Nor are blacks from rural areas and small towns. So, there is no reason to think that these locales will suddenly be "good for the blacks".

    I think there is also the prospect of white folks moving away from blacks, again. That equals profit potential for real estate developers. Also, lots and lots of land in the boonies is owned by foreigners.
  54. Is Chetty calling for black people to be resettled in North Dakota?

    • Replies: @fnn
    Quite a few Liberians, Sudanese and Somalis have been resettled in North Dakota.
    , @duncsbaby
    It's already happening. Lot's of African immigrants as well as people following the Amtrak line from south side of Chicago.
  55. @DFH
    How long till they come after prostitutes who don't accept black clients?

    I have known a few hookers and all they care about is money

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    No, it's actually A Thing: A lot of prostitutes won't have sex with Negroes because of Negroes' well known proclivity to violence and rape, as well as the astronomically higher incidence of sexually transmitted disease amongst Negroes. So these hookers will be persecuted for their efforts to protect themselves in an already dangerous trade (mind you, I don't endorse the trade in the first instance; perhaps the serendipitous outcome will be for more women to abandon hooking and get real jobs...).
  56. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    O/T

    Somehow Trump needs to find a way to spin this as a win, otherwise Bernie Sanders is going to get the credit.

    SEATTLE (AP) — Amazon, which has faced political and economic pressure to raise pay for thousands of employees, is boosting its minimum wage for all U.S. workers to $15 per hour starting next month.

    The wage hike will benefit more than 350,000 workers, which includes full-time, part-time, temporary and seasonal positions. Employees at Whole Foods, which Amazon now owns, will get the same pay hike. Amazon’s hourly operations and customer service employees, some who already make $15 per hour, will also see a wage increase, the Seattle company said.

    https://apnews.com/222764a6535a4ce7a17c02c7405361f2/Amazon-raising-minimum-wage-for-US-workers-to-$15-per-hour

  57. @Jonathan Mason

    “similarly leafy” – does this mean researchers have eliminated magic leaves as the reason why people from some backgrounds do better in life than others?
     
    Leafiness is often an indication of an older neighborhood where broad leaf trees have matured. In Jacksonville, FL one of the worst neighborhoods in the city is very leafy. Poor people will often plant leafy trees like bananas. Newer developments often have fewer trees, especially close to the houses, or spindly trees that are newly delivered and planted to meet zoning codes.

    Areas of coniferous trees are not very leafy. Conifers are often planted for a quick fix, such as forming a visual screen to block out a view, since they grow much faster.

    High rise buildings tend to be low in leafiness due to having large parking lots where you don't want trees falling on parked cars in stormy weather.

    Poor areas where children have a tendency to move on up and out may have good public schools with good teachers, and good parents.

    Ethnicity is obviously a factor. A poor area with a lot of well-educated Eastern European immigrants will probably be more upwardly mobile than a poor area with a lot of Jamaicans.

    West Indian immigrants are probably more upwardly mobile than African Americans, especially in New York.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, I tried to avoid using African-Americans as an example, because census data does not distinguish very well between African-Americans and other immigrants of African descent, but when it comes to communities often people of similar origins congregate, giving an area a particular flavor or ethnic microclimate within a particular precinct.

    Even the existence of particular businesses or institutions can affect a locale. For example when I lived in a small agricultural town in southwest Florida, I noticed that three years in a row, students with Vietnamese names were valedictorians at the local high school. This was apparently due to a large mental hospital near the town that employed several Vietnamese physicians. A more interesting question would be whether interaction with these bright Vietnamese students influenced other local students of different ethnicities.

    For another example, around the area of Mindanao Drive in Jacksonville, FL there seem to be several Filipino restaurants, a Filipino grocery, and I have visited Filipino clients on that side of town, so that might have some bearing on upward mobility in some precincts.

    But there could be a difference between Barbadians and Jamaicans, or between immigrants from the English speaking Caribbean versus the Spanish or Creole of Dutch speaking Caribbean. Immigrants from Trinidad and Guyana are likely to be 50% black and 50% Indian, or hybrids. (VS Naipaul emigrated from Trinidad to England and won a Nobel Prize, but probably not typical of the Windrush generation.)

  58. @Steve Sailer
    Right. There's a lot of noise in the neighborhood data. The "All" maps of the entire population is largely driven by race. You can look at individual races, but it's hard to tell how many people are in different neighborhoods.

    It would be interesting if they could find, say, two side by side school districts that were seen as equally good during the base period but they chose different policies -- e.g., phonics vs. whole word -- with real world differences. But they don't seem to have come up with much like that.

    It would be interesting if they could find, say, two side by side school districts that were seen as equally good during the base period but they chose different policies — e.g., phonics vs. whole word — with real world differences.

    I think the modern tendency is to use a mixture of both. My soon-to-be-six-year-old can spell out words quite well, but also has lists of “sight” words to memorize. English, unlike Spanish, does not lend itself too well to phonics.

    Part of the problem is explaining abstractions to very young children. Explaining that “oo” can be as in “look” or as in “food” is just too complicated, and never mind words like “feud” as opposed to “food” or “lewd”.

    “Cat sat on mat” is fine for phonics, but the definite article is a sight word.

    Education still has a long way to go in figuring out what works. As a science, it is still at the point where biology was before Darwin.

    Schools will send third-grade students for whom English is a second language homework exercises that are not too difficult in themselves, except that college level English comprehension is often necessary to understand the instructions on how to complete the assignment–which does not work so well if the parents in the home don’t have those skills.

    • Replies: @Silva
    "Education still has a long way to go in figuring out what works."

    Ai ken tel iu rait nau: ortogrefic riform.

    (2 types of "e", I know.)
    , @Joe Schmoe
    Phonics is just pattern recognition. First they teach a bunch of word families like -at, cat, rat, bat, and -uck, duck, truck, stuck, etc. After kids learn a few of these, they get the idea that there are patterns and then they start noticing patterns on their own, including lots of them that aren't taught. Kids who don't notice the patterns are special ed and go to the reading specialist who points out every obvious feature (that other kids figure out on their own) and then drills them and makes them repeat etc.

    Whole language works great for kids who can already read when they get to school, which is many many white kids. Also, people learn Chinese which pretty much proves that whole language works by just memorizing each word one at a time else no one would ever learn Chinese writing.
  59. @Redneck farmer
    Is this one of those things where if you really Don't understand it, it'll never be explained properly?

    I think so. If you will not observe for race or heredity, you will steer gingerly around things like conscientiousness, religious worship and family structure, and you will maintain a constant bias toward exogenous factors, then yea verily, you will be dealing with Impenetrable Mysteries explainable only by the gnostic Elect.

    It’s like investigating combustion but refusing to theorize oxygen. What causes combustion? Is a free-floating gas combining with a compound in a chemical reaction in the presence of heat? Nay, we already know that only Phlogistonic substances will burn. Our inquiry must therefore be directed to isolating Phlogiston!

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  60. It would appear the integration of Oak Park, Illinois is no longer considered adequate. I have to give the principal some respect for trying to keep Steve James’s documentary crew out of his school. He was overruled by the school board.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/america-to-me-docuseries-explores-diverse-high-school-confronted-with-inequality/

  61. @Steve Sailer
    West Indian immigrants are probably more upwardly mobile than African Americans, especially in New York.

    Yes, I tried to avoid using African-Americans as an example, because census data does not distinguish very well between African-Americans and other immigrants of African descent, but when it comes to communities often people of similar origins congregate, giving an area a particular flavor or ethnic microclimate within a particular precinct.

    Even the existence of particular businesses or institutions can affect a locale. For example when I lived in a small agricultural town in southwest Florida, I noticed that three years in a row, students with Vietnamese names were valedictorians at the local high school. This was apparently due to a large mental hospital near the town that employed several Vietnamese physicians. A more interesting question would be whether interaction with these bright Vietnamese students influenced other local students of different ethnicities.

    For another example, around the area of Mindanao Drive in Jacksonville, FL there seem to be several Filipino restaurants, a Filipino grocery, and I have visited Filipino clients on that side of town, so that might have some bearing on upward mobility in some precincts.

    But there could be a difference between Barbadians and Jamaicans, or between immigrants from the English speaking Caribbean versus the Spanish or Creole of Dutch speaking Caribbean. Immigrants from Trinidad and Guyana are likely to be 50% black and 50% Indian, or hybrids. (VS Naipaul emigrated from Trinidad to England and won a Nobel Prize, but probably not typical of the Windrush generation.)

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    The birth data does distinguish between kinds of blacks. Married black birth is majority foreign-born and their kids (African) these days. Particularly so if you include native-born historical-American blacks marrying foreign-born black wives or husbands. Unmarried black birth is, well, it's not really getting more eugenic over time, certainly. It is declining and in numbers and percentage is around 80s levels with a much larger population.
  62. @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

     

    I appreciate your mention of how tough it was for the pioneers in the upper Midwest. My ancestors (all Dutch) were among those who settled in NW Iowa.

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on -- families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success -- is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

    I admired them as a kid when we were taught about them in school, and I admire them much more now.

    I wonder how they're being presented in schools these days: as heroic, steadfast settlers -- or as the storm troopers of the invading oppressors stomping in to soak up the spoils of the native Americans' dispossession?

    It depends on the school and the school district, but I think the most progressive districts try not to talk about the actual settlers much at all anymore. Instead it is evil white slaveholders and racists plus a month or so on Martin Luther King. The kids don’t learn anything about their actual ancestors. Peter Brimelow mentioned this once, the school he sent his kids to in Connecticut completely ignored the local regiment that fought with distinction in the Civil War.

  63. Steam Coming Out My Ears!

    You baby boomer boobs give that Third World snot, Raj Chetty, a bunch of crap — which he deserves, of course — about magic dirt and magical racial thinking, but you baby boomer bastards ain’t talking about magic monetary policy that has created 3 sets of asset bubbles that have benefited you baby boomer bastards.

    Raise the federal funds rate to 20 percent and that will financially liquidate the baby boomers.

    During the financial implosion caused by a 20 percent federal funds rate, use that time window to remove tens of millions of non-European and non-Christian interlopers. Citizenship revocations will be expedited and used to reclaim the United States for the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    Radical enough?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    How about we just eliminate the FED, Charles, and let the interest rates take care of themselves? Yes, there will be that long-overdue implosion, of course. From Peak Financial Stupidity will come an overall Global Peak Stupidity. Out of the ashes will come a new world, devoid of anything buy minor imbecilities. Verily, I say, "GOLD, BITCHEZ!"
  64. OFF TOPIC

    Evil Google Is Attacking The State Of Tennessee!

    President Trump Must Declare War On Evil Google!

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Google Is Attacking American Sovereignty And American Liberty!

    Google Must Be Destroyed!

    https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1046865844704350208
  65. The “magic dirt” phenomenon should lead to the “college degree” phenomenon, where we conclude that simply awarding a college degree to everyone will lead to increased earnings as well.

    Don’t fret about magic dirt, but do stay away from the cans!

  66. The most disturbing thing about these studies is their complete denial of any agency possessed by the children.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/HakonRotmwrt/status/958539629455663104

  67. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Q: Is ______ racist?
    A: True

    dating apps:

    Dating apps are RACIST and should be redesigned without racial filters, study claims

    Dating apps that allow users to filter their searches by race - or rely on algorithms that pair up people of the same race - reinforce racial divisions and biases, according to a new paper by Cornell University researchers.

    Researchers called for the apps to be redesigned, and for 'racist' algorithms should be reprogrammed.

    Experts say that amid the huge rise in the usage of dating apps are meaning people are failing to meet diverse potential partners.

     

    Hmmph … Why stop there? Those dating apps are also sexist and transphobic! Why “allow users to filter searches by race” OR gender? Excuse me, I meant birth-gender! If you’re really sincere about looking for love then you shouldn’t limit yourself to the OPPOSITE sex.

  68. @The Last Real Calvinist

    For any government program or community grant that targets a specific place, this data proposes a better way to pick those places — one based not on neighborhood poverty levels, but on whether we expect children will escape poverty as adults.

     

    Yes, it's the next iteration of the Field Marshall Chetty Battle Plan for infiltrating and exploiting all that magic dirt once the Left is back in power.

    If you go over and visit Chetty's actual site, i.e. https://www.opportunityatlas.org/, it's quite a show: lovely graphics and layout. I admire the skill of his data presentation specialists.

    Yep. Chetty’s studies will be used to locate low-income, low-IQ, dysfunctional black (and, to a degree, Hispanic) families into middle and upper-middle income white (and, presumably, Asian) neighborhoods on a micro level.

    What I mean is that this won’t just be creating a Section 8 housing zone in a white area, i.e. a crappy part of town that can be avoided for the most part. Chetty’s works specifically states that the black kids need to basically live down the street from white and Asian kids and that there not be too many other blacks around to screw them up.

    And what matters, the researchers find, is a hyper-local setting: the environment within about half a mile of a child’s home.

    This means sprinkling dangerous black families in white and Asian neighborhoods around the country. What’s more, Chetty’s earlier studies found that the black kids need to actually interact with the white and Asian kids, so community get-togethers will be pushed as well.

    Personally, I would back this. I’m sick to death of “I don’t see color” whites having their cake and eating it too. Living like members of the KKK (well, the ten or twenty non-FBI informant members) while simultaneously looking down their noses at working-class whites who complain about losing their neighborhoods, they need to feel the pain of their politics.

    Let’s see if their colorblindness miraculously heals when they have your typical black kids prowling their once-safe suburban street.

    At the moment, discussing politics (when allowed at all) with my Dem and cuck GOP neighbors and friends is the equivalent of arguing about the number of angels your can fit on the head of a pin. It’s all abstract so what’s the point. For the Dems, it about moral supreriority. For the cuck GOPers, it’s about keeping your head down and getting by.

    Time to start having some skin in the game.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    What’s more, Chetty’s earlier studies found that the black kids need to actually interact with the white and Asian kids, so community get-togethers will be pushed as well.
     
    Will not happen. Blacks do not want to go to the boring stuff white people like. It is like camping. They hate that stuff. It is hard to get Asians to hang out with whites. Do Asians want to play Little League baseball? No. How about church league basketball? No. Christian Asians go to their own churches, so you can be dang sure they aren't going to church with blacks. Whites are the only group that is willing to hang out with the "other". Chetty needs to get out more.
    , @Lowe
    Typical black kids are a little loud and irritating, but they aren't dangerous. You're generalizing a minority of troublemakers.

    Also, this plan you describe is never going to happen. Do you get the impression Democrats are world-spanning geniuses, with all going according to their plan? I don't. They seem even dumber and less capable than the Republicans. This is like when people talk about the left banning guns. Yeah, right, as soon as they stop tearing out each other's eyes over who goes to the bathroom where, so never.

  69. @Achmed E. Newman
    You're damn straight gosh-darned tootin' the great plains are filled with magic dirt, Steve, or at least the tall-grass prairie portion is. There was grass growing there for so many thousands of years that they have to 1-2 ft thick dark black topsoil. Try growing a garden in red clay, compared to that nice Midwest loam.

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

    “It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles.”

    Yeah, those Magic Dirt people brought about a true miracle:

    The Dust Bowl!

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    It got better.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    That wasn't the whole Great Plains, OC, just a small portion (relatively) in the panhandles of Texas, Oklahoma, and parts of Kansas. It's the eastern portion, Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, southern Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, eastern Nebraska, etc., with the great soil. Places west of there were called the short-grass prairie.
  70. @Steve Sailer
    Iowa and Illinois really do have some of the best food-growing dirt in the world.

    Iowa and Illinois really do have some of the best food-growing dirt in the world.

    50% of the reason they are our bread baskets (major soy growers too) is the land is level so suited for mechanized farming, which started off with teams of 7-14+ horses pulling the combines, disks and other machinery. These days the advanced laser guided, air conditioned, comfortable seating farm tractors go for a quarter million minimum.

    American Dutch technology as in New Holland tractors and farm equipment.
    http://agriculture1.newholland.com/nar/en-us

    • Replies: @istevefan
    There are a number of videos on Youtube showing various harvests. If you have never seen farmers at work, these videos can be quite interesting. Here is one showing a family harvest their wheat crop in 2015. The guys really put together a professional video even making use of an aerial drone. I imagine they have over a million dollars of equipment. But on the plus side they don't need an army of cheap labor.
  71. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:

    Word to the wise: stay away from Wisconsin. It’s a hideous wasteland. Freezing in the winter, hot and humid in the summer. The skies are filled with mosquitoes, and the woods with dangerous animals like timberwolves and black bears. There is nothing, absolutely nothing good about Wisconsin. There is no reason to visit or move to Wisconsin, so just stay away.

    Please.

    • LOL: Sarah Toga
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    This goes double for rural Michigan.

    It is also super boring, so people have even less reason to visit compared to Wisconsin.

    Thank you for your support.
    , @stillCARealist
    Our piano teacher is from WI. She goes back to visit every year, but she always returns to CA. She says it's a great place to be from.

    Corn.
    , @tyrone
    How's the deer hunting these days in the land o sky blue waters?
  72. @Obsessive Contrarian
    "It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles."

    Yeah, those Magic Dirt people brought about a true miracle:

    The Dust Bowl!

    It got better.

  73. @Redneck farmer
    Is this one of those things where if you really Don't understand it, it'll never be explained properly?

    I think it more a case of they don’t WANT to understand it, because understanding it and saying so will end their career. Therefore they’ll never be able to explain it.

  74. @Anon
    And transphobic -- chicks-with-dicks are not being presented to het males.

    Actually, unfortunately, they are. I see them all the time now. I will say that most of them are gracious enough to announce their status up front in their profiles…for now.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Seeing the same thing in my experience.

    The # of MtF trans that show up on the major apps in a midsize metro area is a far higher % than their % of the population.
  75. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Q: Is ______ racist?
    A: True

    dating apps:

    Dating apps are RACIST and should be redesigned without racial filters, study claims

    Dating apps that allow users to filter their searches by race - or rely on algorithms that pair up people of the same race - reinforce racial divisions and biases, according to a new paper by Cornell University researchers.

    Researchers called for the apps to be redesigned, and for 'racist' algorithms should be reprogrammed.

    Experts say that amid the huge rise in the usage of dating apps are meaning people are failing to meet diverse potential partners.

     

    I’m sure we’ll be getting rid of filters for income and height right after.

  76. @Obsessive Contrarian
    "It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles."

    Yeah, those Magic Dirt people brought about a true miracle:

    The Dust Bowl!

    That wasn’t the whole Great Plains, OC, just a small portion (relatively) in the panhandles of Texas, Oklahoma, and parts of Kansas. It’s the eastern portion, Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, southern Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, eastern Nebraska, etc., with the great soil. Places west of there were called the short-grass prairie.

    • Replies: @anon
    There is a line where annual rainfall is sufficiently under 20" year that marks the dustbowl.

    It was funded by WWI grain prices, easy credit on farm equipment, cyclical high rainfall, and stubbornness. More speculators than the Joads.
  77. @Anon

    At this finer scale, parsing outcomes by race and neighborhood, poor white children in Charlotte have had more opportunity than poor black children, even when they’ve grown up in the same neighborhoods.
     

    In other communities, what separates neighborhoods is probably tied to incarceration. For some neighborhoods in Milwaukee or New Haven, as many as one in four poor black boys growing up in those places were incarcerated. Their neighborhoods — or something about how those neighborhoods were policed — sent more poor children into prison than out of poverty.
     

    The answers are not clear yet.
     
    So this whole thing is a mystery, except that controlling for everything but race white children "have more opportunity" than black children. And "neighborhood policing" may be at fault for black youths in prison, which is the only thing keepting theses young men from getting a job, getting married, and raising a brood of kids "with opportunity."

    The concept of Holy Negro is essential to liberal liturgical thinking.

    If this belief were to be shattered, the cult of liberal would disintegrate.

    This is why HBD must continue to penetrate the smart fraction.

    All else will follow.

  78. @YetAnotherAnon
    Didn't check Steve's earlier posts, did I?

    Never mind, how about this?

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/shortcuts/2018/oct/01/animal-house-rape-culture-brett-kavanaugh-teen-movie-viewing

    "Animal House and rape culture: what Brett Kavanaugh's teen-movie viewing taught us
    The supreme court nominee invoked frat-house movies at the Senate hearing as an example of ‘goofy’ behaviour. But these films were more like a manual for sexual assault"
     

    Animal House? Pfffft. Let’s talked about the Porky’s franchise: is it even legal anymore to own, distribute, screen, or view those (hilarious) films?

    Zippity Doo Da…

  79. @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

     

    I appreciate your mention of how tough it was for the pioneers in the upper Midwest. My ancestors (all Dutch) were among those who settled in NW Iowa.

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on -- families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success -- is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

    I admired them as a kid when we were taught about them in school, and I admire them much more now.

    I wonder how they're being presented in schools these days: as heroic, steadfast settlers -- or as the storm troopers of the invading oppressors stomping in to soak up the spoils of the native Americans' dispossession?

    Idea for learning what is taught in school:

    Consider buying a history or social studies textbook on ebay or amazon. Used grade school textbooks usually are cheap.

    Let us know what you learn.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @79 North Carolina Resident: "Consider buying a history or social studies textbook on ebay or amazon. Used grade school textbooks usually are cheap."

    One really doesn't need to exercise much subterfuge. In my case, I was genuinely considering the local public schools (albeit with a strong bias toward private schools) and arranged meetings with a few teachers and asked to look through their textbooks. You could do the same at high school level by claiming to have grandchildren or good friends moving to the district who asked you some questions about the local schools. Just pretend to be a genial, clueless, normie or goodthinker, and scan the textbooks and make a few notes. They let me borrow a few books to peruse at home so that should certainly be possible, too. WARNING: I also did this with my sons' Christian schools - and the reading and history textbooks they planned to use for middle school were as appallingly bad and anti-White as anything to be found in a public school. The goodthinking churchians got to the Christian publishers about 10 years ago and inserted all sorts of historical nonentity numinous Negroes and evil blond rayciss boys. It's why I began home schooling.
  80. @Hypnotoad666

    Researchers still don’t understand exactly what leads some neighborhoods to nurture children,
     
    Maybe it's because good parents live in those neighborhoods. Just a thought.

    Oh come on.

    Everyone knows that “Good Neighborhoods” are built on magic dirt. The people that live there are lucky and have nothing to do with good child outcomes in those neighborhoods. It’s magic.

    *sigh*

    Sometimes I feel like everywhere I look it’s highly paid clueless academics in a real life version of “The Emperor With No Clothes.”

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    Not being allowed to draw obvious but politically incorrect conclusions from data is a full-employment bill for social "scientists." They get to spend all their time constructing and defending alternative Rube Goldberg theories about how reality really works.

    It's like when astronomers weren't allowed to propose a heliocentric solar system. It allowed them to come up with some pretty creative theories about why Mars and Venus seemed to move backward and forward in the sky unpredictably. Ignoring reality = more "mysteries" to ponder.
  81. @jim jones
    I have known a few hookers and all they care about is money

    No, it’s actually A Thing: A lot of prostitutes won’t have sex with Negroes because of Negroes’ well known proclivity to violence and rape, as well as the astronomically higher incidence of sexually transmitted disease amongst Negroes. So these hookers will be persecuted for their efforts to protect themselves in an already dangerous trade (mind you, I don’t endorse the trade in the first instance; perhaps the serendipitous outcome will be for more women to abandon hooking and get real jobs…).

    • Replies: @L Woods
    I believe they also have a strong propensity not to pay up.
    , @Alden
    When I was a probation officer I had a few black hookers for forged check passing child beating theft, this and that, not prostitution.

    Like duh brothas duh sustahs were all motor mouths of course. And they all bragged that they’d never do an nword. It was also forbidden by their pimps.
  82. Karl’s First Law of Big City Journalism:

    as long as “social scientists” are handed enough income to buy goofy, FirstWorldProblem-Solving shit that might be getting google-AdWords-advertised on a Big-City-Newspaper website, the BigCityNewspaper will continue to make representations that “Social Science” is a worthwhile activity which needs to be continuously funded.

  83. @anon
    Any ideas on the disparity b/w rural white Michigan vs Wisconsin?

    I’ve lived in both places. Wisconsin attracted highly skilled German and Scandinavian machinists and engineers who went on to establish Evinrude, Briggs and Straton, Harley Davidson etc. They brought with them their egalitarian notions. They are clean, well-mannered, skilled, thoughtful people.

    Workers were attracted to Michigan by the prospect of high wages for simple jobs in the auto industry. They were low-class opportunists. Michigan was always a seedy, tawdry place compared to Wisconsin.

  84. @anon
    I have this nagging feeling there's a subversive young adult novel waiting to be written set in a world of compulsory miscegenation, where the (sure, why not?) black heroine has to fight to be with her true black love.

    I have this nagging feeling there’s a subversive young adult novel waiting to be written set in a world of compulsory miscegenation, where the (sure, why not?) black heroine has to fight to be with her true black love.

    Unmutual…..UNMUTUAL!!!!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    That sounds like a good idea for a Hunger Games-like YA novel. Of course, it would have to be written by a black lady to get past the Sensitivity Readers.
  85. Hey Steve:

    News ffor your ongoing interest in rich Malibu keeping out the house polloi:

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/vinod-khoslas-epic-decade-long-battle-to-kick-surfers-off-his-property-ends-in-failure

    Vinod is of course a Hindoo from India, where no one but Indians are allowed to have any property rights at all in real estate, but he sure does love to bleat and bitch about Muh Property Rights in the F.U.S.A…..

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    “A billionaire is a bad word in this country now,” he told the Times. “And that pains me.”
     
    Poor guy. He should go home. I can help with that. China Airlines can get you to Delhi for $586 (one-way of course).
  86. @DFH
    How long till they come after prostitutes who don't accept black clients?

    How long till they come after prostitutes who don’t accept black clients?

    Should be right now! Laws for Public Accommodation doncha know!

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Isn't their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news.
  87. @Hippopotamusdrome


    Quoctrung Bui

     

    ?!

    Heres my NYT names I made by mashing the keyboard with my hands:

    Buixol Tuekix
    Xeoui Pouyz
    Jioeum Jueqn
  88. @fish

    I have this nagging feeling there’s a subversive young adult novel waiting to be written set in a world of compulsory miscegenation, where the (sure, why not?) black heroine has to fight to be with her true black love.
     
    Unmutual.....UNMUTUAL!!!!

    That sounds like a good idea for a Hunger Games-like YA novel. Of course, it would have to be written by a black lady to get past the Sensitivity Readers.

    • Replies: @fish
    Zuckerbergs sister could write it with a female black ghost writer as the front. Just like so many white operated businesses beat the "Woman and Minority Owned" requirement for doing business with the government!
    , @Altai
    Somebody already wrote it and yes, it was a black woman with a black female lead character. Albeit the force miscegenation takes place between humans and an alien species who render humans sterile otherwise. According to the author it's supposed to be a metaphor for assimilation of African Americans over the centuries.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith%27s_Brood

    Apparently somebody optioned the rights to make a TV series out of it, but I don't know how that's coming along, it was pre Trump on the escalator.

    , @Silva
    Is Dolezal well-employed right now?
  89. @Redneck farmer
    People too stupid to become truly productive individuals, like commodity traders or community organizers. Or victims of the railroads.

    14 Redneck Farmer > People too stupid to become truly productive individuals, like commodity traders

    actual farmers don’t talk shit about the market-intermediaries who are THE ONLY ONES making it possible to obtain a guaranteed price for a soybean harvest.

    Ergo, you are most likely another City Kid

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Market intermediaries are one of those things (lawyers are another) that seems superfluous ("parasites") until you get rid of them and then you find out the hard way why they existed in the first place and you have to re-invent them again (or continuing living at a subsistence level - yes you are poor as can be, but at least you don't have those pesky intermediaries "stealing" from you).

    Running an economy without intermediaries ranks up there in the scale of brilliant ideas with running your car without oil.
    , @Redneck farmer
    We feed most of our beans, if we have any left over, we sell those.
  90. @Steve Sailer
    That sounds like a good idea for a Hunger Games-like YA novel. Of course, it would have to be written by a black lady to get past the Sensitivity Readers.

    Zuckerbergs sister could write it with a female black ghost writer as the front. Just like so many white operated businesses beat the “Woman and Minority Owned” requirement for doing business with the government!

  91. anon[599] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    A lot of it has to do with recent economic ups and downs during the before and after periods measured. North Dakota had fracking and the Great Plains in general have had good crops and lots of demand from China.

    Michigan of course got hammered by the decline of the American auto industry

    Read my Moneyball for Real Estate critique for a million examples. Chetty is discovering real stuff, it's just not the stuff he thought he was going to discover. For example, I hadn't known that the 21st Century has been surprisingly good for the Great Plains until I started looking at Chetty's maps in 2013.

    Michigan always had something of a boomtown feel. Lumber is a semi-extractive industry. There was also a furniture industry that was in decline forever. They still make office furniture (steel case).

    Plus, the auto industry diffused through the state through parts and second tier manufacturing. And recreation was bigger (boats, cabins).

    When I was a kid, owning a boat and a small cabin on a lake was a common blue collar pastime. Back in the golden age.

  92. @L Woods
    Actually, unfortunately, they are. I see them all the time now. I will say that most of them are gracious enough to announce their status up front in their profiles...for now.

    Seeing the same thing in my experience.

    The # of MtF trans that show up on the major apps in a midsize metro area is a far higher % than their % of the population.

  93. @Anonymous
    Word to the wise: stay away from Wisconsin. It's a hideous wasteland. Freezing in the winter, hot and humid in the summer. The skies are filled with mosquitoes, and the woods with dangerous animals like timberwolves and black bears. There is nothing, absolutely nothing good about Wisconsin. There is no reason to visit or move to Wisconsin, so just stay away.

    Please.

    This goes double for rural Michigan.

    It is also super boring, so people have even less reason to visit compared to Wisconsin.

    Thank you for your support.

  94. @Polynikes
    I'd say your pretty close. To wit, Wisconsin still retains a significant skilled manufacturing base. Hardly any of it is automotive, though. Also, the Nordic population. It's heavy in Northern and Western Wisconsin, but not very prominent at all in Michigan.

    If it were just crops you would expect Central Indiana and Southern and Central Illinois to be better.

    31 Polynikes > Wisconsin still retains a significant skilled manufacturing base. Hardly any of it is automotive, though

    WI actually has a pretty strong sector which caters to the US Navy’s need for specialized diesel engines

  95. “. . . remains the best introduction to what he’s doing right and *what* problems remain.”

    When did “which” stop being used? I don’t mean to pick on Steve, I notice myself replacing “which” with “what” all the time.

  96. @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

     

    I appreciate your mention of how tough it was for the pioneers in the upper Midwest. My ancestors (all Dutch) were among those who settled in NW Iowa.

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on -- families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success -- is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

    I admired them as a kid when we were taught about them in school, and I admire them much more now.

    I wonder how they're being presented in schools these days: as heroic, steadfast settlers -- or as the storm troopers of the invading oppressors stomping in to soak up the spoils of the native Americans' dispossession?

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart.

    From the biography of Lawrence Welk:

    The family lived on a homestead that is now a tourist attraction. They spent the cold North Dakota winter of their first year inside an upturned wagon covered in sod.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    "an upturned wagon covered in sod" would be a snug sanctuary. I've seen a picture from Denmark of a ferro-cement boat used in the same way, resting on three foot walls.

    A (real) Finnish cabin I stayed in up in Michigan's U.P. (Drummond Island) was dug three and a half feet into the ground. Cooked and heated with a genuine wood-burning kitchen stove (the real one's are very expensive $3000-$10,000). It was snug in the worst weather, probably because below frost line. A genuine wood-burning kitchen stove is a heart warming thing. As long as its going, there's hope. Not only is it providing warmth but with the free heat you can bake bread and pastries or a roast. It was literally the beating heart of our ancestor's homes.

    https://www.woodlanddirect.com/Wood-Stove-and-Accessories/Cook-Stoves/Heartland-48-Classic-Dual-Fuel-Range-Stove-White
  97. @Steve Sailer
    Pushing blacks out of gentrifiable inner cities into racist suburbs and small towns.

    Blacks in DC have called pushing blacks out of DC The Plan for 50 years, and it's coming true all over. Chetty's data will be cited as to why it's good for blacks who used to have a housing project a mile from Chicago's most expensive real estate to go live in Dubuque where they will have more opportunity.

    The conundrum to “the plan” is how do they push for demographic change for towns like: Rye, Great Neck, Katonah, Chappaqua, Oyster Bay, Franklin Lakes, East Orange, Morristown, West Port, Darien, New Canaan, Madison, Cheshire, etc.? – and about 400+ more towns surrounding NYC. Minorities are very resentful that they were pushed to the Bronx, but now they are being pushed further. Unless Chetty will some day call for transporting people all the way to Iowa/Nebraska/Oklahoma, how will Progressives feel when they must accept change in their towns that are close to Boston, NYC, DC, and, how does Chetty finagle it? Will the hypocrisy of Progressives & their cult of diversity finally be exposed? I didn’t mention low/middle income white towns in the Tri-State area since the school test scores are low/mediocre; divorce rate is high (slow recovery from 2008); and many people are also, moving out of non-affluent towns to Carolinas, FLA, etc. Lastly, many upper income people are leaving the Tri-State area, for those same states, as well….some for taxes, some for sun, some to be closer to their kids. Houses over 700K are on the market for a year or more (not Gold Coast or Hamptons, etc.)

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
    ". . . transporting people all the way to Iowa/Nebraska/Oklahoma."

    Didn't Andrew Jackson set a precedent by deporting undesirable minorities west of the Mississippi along the Trail of Tears? After the Cherokee, other tribal groups were packed off later. It's been done before.

  98. @anon
    Any ideas on the disparity b/w rural white Michigan vs Wisconsin?

    Any ideas on the disparity b/w rural white Michigan vs Wisconsin?

    Beer and cheese. Duh.

    Hosting the Packers doesn’t hurt, either.

  99. @Clyde

    Iowa and Illinois really do have some of the best food-growing dirt in the world.
     
    50% of the reason they are our bread baskets (major soy growers too) is the land is level so suited for mechanized farming, which started off with teams of 7-14+ horses pulling the combines, disks and other machinery. These days the advanced laser guided, air conditioned, comfortable seating farm tractors go for a quarter million minimum.

    American Dutch technology as in New Holland tractors and farm equipment.
    http://agriculture1.newholland.com/nar/en-us

    There are a number of videos on Youtube showing various harvests. If you have never seen farmers at work, these videos can be quite interesting. Here is one showing a family harvest their wheat crop in 2015. The guys really put together a professional video even making use of an aerial drone. I imagine they have over a million dollars of equipment. But on the plus side they don’t need an army of cheap labor.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    There are a number of videos on Youtube showing various harvests. If you have never seen farmers at work, these videos can be quite interesting. Here is one showing a family harvest their wheat crop in 2015. The guys really put together a professional video even making use of an aerial drone. I imagine they have over a million dollars of equipment. But on the plus side they don’t need an army of cheap labor.
     
    Rich farmers or farm corporations own their own wheat harvesting equipment, I suppose. They might also be contracting it out to a few neighbors for extra income. For smaller farms, they contract out with a harvesting crew with millions invested in machinery that follows the soy and wheat, corn harvests northward as they ripen.
  100. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Q: Is ______ racist?
    A: True

    dating apps:

    Dating apps are RACIST and should be redesigned without racial filters, study claims

    Dating apps that allow users to filter their searches by race - or rely on algorithms that pair up people of the same race - reinforce racial divisions and biases, according to a new paper by Cornell University researchers.

    Researchers called for the apps to be redesigned, and for 'racist' algorithms should be reprogrammed.

    Experts say that amid the huge rise in the usage of dating apps are meaning people are failing to meet diverse potential partners.

     

    This is hardly new. The preachiest urban weeklies have always been supported by personal ads in the back pages. Almost all the identifiers are racially specific, and most are looking for “same”.

  101. @ATBOTL
    The "half mile" part is ominous. That will probably become the new standard of how spread out the black underclass, immigrants and refugees must be. No white person will be allowed to live even half a mile away from vibrant diversity.

    That’s pretty much how it works in CA. Unless you’re in a gated community*, chances are you’re less than one half mile away from low-income housing. If you don’t believe me, look at your city’s low income rentals by the map. Tell me how far it is from your house. For me, it’s right down the street, and there are million dollar homes two streets away from me in the opposite direction.

    Of course, these maps won’t include the homes where someone is getting a break on their loan, or not having to pay at all. Those situations can be a disabled person or a senior, but sometimes it’s a low-income family that the local gov’t just plopped down into a rental. I’ve already ranted here about that happening in our last neighborhood and what a TOTAL disaster it was.

    *for fun I looked up low-income housing Granite Bay and it turns out the rich people have no section 8 apartments. There’s some stuff for seniors (that doesn’t count IMO) but nothing for vibrancy.

    • Replies: @GourmetDan

    Of course, these maps won’t include the homes where someone is getting a break on their loan, or not having to pay at all. Those situations can be a disabled person or a senior, but sometimes it’s a low-income family that the local gov’t just plopped down into a rental. I’ve already ranted here about that happening in our last neighborhood and what a TOTAL disaster it was.
     
    Seems to me the purpose of this study is to provide support for moving MORE low-income families onto 'magic dirt'... in spite of the obvious disaster that would be...
  102. @fish

    How long till they come after prostitutes who don’t accept black clients?

     

    Should be right now! Laws for Public Accommodation doncha know!

    Isn’t their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news.

    • Replies: @fish
    Don't know about that but I did see an article that hints at the fact that there needs to be far more "torture" testing (nothing kinky...product safety related) of these bots to make sure they can hold up under vigorous use!

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/7390801/harmony-sex-robot-test-brick-dollbanger-realbotix-realdoll/


    PS: from this point forward I'm tossing the handle "fish" onto the ash heap of history! From here on out you may all refer to me as Brick Dollbanger!

    , @Lagertha
    It was Houston, not Nevada; what a weird time it is to have this controversy going on; and censorship by T & FB; HS supposed groping but assured ralphing roiling our venerable Senators, but this!...hmmm? would this be placed in Magic Dirt in Houston? That would be even funnier - Houston having the weirdest zoning of all places in the USA

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/01/houston-robot-brothel-kinky-s-dolls-sex-trafficking

    , @L Woods
    LOL. How rich. Normally, we’re treated to a fusillade of hysterical screeching about how men are owned nothing (!!!11) sexually and the “incels” deserve their suffering and should just DIE already. Now that competition emerges (even laughably poor competition), the tune changes. How about that.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    Isn’t their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news
     
    There is a current story in The Guardian about opening a bot brothel in Houston, TX. that some locals have objected to for a variety of reasons--mostly it seems that they don't want other people using them.

    In the US pornography seems to be quite acceptable, but in nearly all states it is illegal to pay someone for sex unless it is for purposes of free speech constituting making pornography for profit.

    I don't really see what is wrong with paying people for sex, or offering them sex in exchange for their vote, for that matter, but in the US as soon as anything is legal, big business has to get involved, and I don't think most people want to see drive-in brothels with billboards advertising BOGOs at the Interstate on-ramps and sponsoring NPR radio.

    Start with bot brothels, and the next thing you know there will be bot booths at airports charging exorbitant prices for a stand-up quickie that will be billed on your credit card as a shoeshine. Offers will arrive in the mail with a free bot job ticket for anyone who installs ADT cameras in their home.

    Business schools will offer MBAs with a concentration on sex bot sales, or maybe they already do.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Sex robots are an accident waiting to happen. Robotic servo mechanisms, high amp currents, moisture, and vulnerable human fleshy bits don't mix.
  103. @Anonymous
    Word to the wise: stay away from Wisconsin. It's a hideous wasteland. Freezing in the winter, hot and humid in the summer. The skies are filled with mosquitoes, and the woods with dangerous animals like timberwolves and black bears. There is nothing, absolutely nothing good about Wisconsin. There is no reason to visit or move to Wisconsin, so just stay away.

    Please.

    Our piano teacher is from WI. She goes back to visit every year, but she always returns to CA. She says it’s a great place to be from.

    Corn.

  104. Sigh, good neighborhoods really means good neighbors. Truth is, there are people who can’t raise children regardless of where you move them. However, what does grow well in “tragic dirt” is excuses.

    • Replies: @res

    However, what does grow well in “tragic dirt” is excuses.
     
    Great line, Joe.
  105. @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

     

    I appreciate your mention of how tough it was for the pioneers in the upper Midwest. My ancestors (all Dutch) were among those who settled in NW Iowa.

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on -- families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success -- is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

    I admired them as a kid when we were taught about them in school, and I admire them much more now.

    I wonder how they're being presented in schools these days: as heroic, steadfast settlers -- or as the storm troopers of the invading oppressors stomping in to soak up the spoils of the native Americans' dispossession?

  106. @Lagertha
    Isn't their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news.

    Don’t know about that but I did see an article that hints at the fact that there needs to be far more “torture” testing (nothing kinky…product safety related) of these bots to make sure they can hold up under vigorous use!

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/7390801/harmony-sex-robot-test-brick-dollbanger-realbotix-realdoll/

    PS: from this point forward I’m tossing the handle “fish” onto the ash heap of history! From here on out you may all refer to me as Brick Dollbanger!

  107. @El Dato

    In other words, race matters in determining what’s Magic Dirt and what’s Tragic Dirt. But once you control for race, nobody still has a clue what distinguishes Magic Dirt from Tragic Dirt.
     
    Crimestop is a powerful cognitive tool.

    Crimestop is a powerful cognitive tool.

    Funny you mentioned that just now, El Data. A pop-up ad just told me that Crimestop will be included as a plug-in for the new Windows 11 (but only if I CLICK NOW!). It’ll be one of those that are default-on causing me to have to re-figure out my software “tools”.

  108. @Anon
    Is Chetty calling for black people to be resettled in North Dakota?

    Quite a few Liberians, Sudanese and Somalis have been resettled in North Dakota.

  109. @Hippopotamusdrome


    Quoctrung Bui

     

    ?!

    Heres my NYT names I made by mashing the keyboard with my hands:

    Buixol Tuekix
    Xeoui Pouyz
    Jioeum Jueqn

    Where’s Reg Caesar when you need him?!

    What’dya make outta that, Reg?

  110. @Moses
    Oh come on.

    Everyone knows that "Good Neighborhoods" are built on magic dirt. The people that live there are lucky and have nothing to do with good child outcomes in those neighborhoods. It's magic.

    *sigh*

    Sometimes I feel like everywhere I look it's highly paid clueless academics in a real life version of "The Emperor With No Clothes."

    Not being allowed to draw obvious but politically incorrect conclusions from data is a full-employment bill for social “scientists.” They get to spend all their time constructing and defending alternative Rube Goldberg theories about how reality really works.

    It’s like when astronomers weren’t allowed to propose a heliocentric solar system. It allowed them to come up with some pretty creative theories about why Mars and Venus seemed to move backward and forward in the sky unpredictably. Ignoring reality = more “mysteries” to ponder.

    • Replies: @Moses
    Good analogy on the non-heliocentric theories.

    However this case is far worse as the evidence is all around us all the time.

    Wealthy, advanced countries correllate with race — White or East Asian. Black countries mired in corruption and poverty despite anazing natural recource wealth.

    White-run countries turned Black-run countries (hello Zimbabwe!) fall into decay and ruin.

    Must be the magic dirt. Sort of.
  111. @Lagertha
    Isn't their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news.

    It was Houston, not Nevada; what a weird time it is to have this controversy going on; and censorship by T & FB; HS supposed groping but assured ralphing roiling our venerable Senators, but this!…hmmm? would this be placed in Magic Dirt in Houston? That would be even funnier – Houston having the weirdest zoning of all places in the USA

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/01/houston-robot-brothel-kinky-s-dolls-sex-trafficking

  112. @YetAnotherAnon
    Didn't check Steve's earlier posts, did I?

    Never mind, how about this?

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/shortcuts/2018/oct/01/animal-house-rape-culture-brett-kavanaugh-teen-movie-viewing

    "Animal House and rape culture: what Brett Kavanaugh's teen-movie viewing taught us
    The supreme court nominee invoked frat-house movies at the Senate hearing as an example of ‘goofy’ behaviour. But these films were more like a manual for sexual assault"
     

    the movie’s abiding scene was when freshman Pinto’s prospective conquest passes out, drunk and topless, at a party

    Not mentioned, she passes out while sitting on top of him while he lies undressed on a bed, and she is topless because she just finished removing her own bra herself. And then he didn’t do anything.

    So a movie where guy doesn’t molest a passed out drunk girl is “a dodgy celebration of rape culture”? Does anyone get raped in Animal House?

    Sixteen Candles
    Came out in 1984.

    Revenge of the Nerds
    1984

    Fast Times at Ridgemont High
    Aug 13, 1982

    • Replies: @Jack D
    These people are not (just) against rape. They are against heterosexual men and women having fun together or God forbid sex. By making every consensual sexual encounter into a potentially career destroying incident (thru retroactive revocation of consent and other tricks) they are hoping to raise the cost (for heterosexual men, especially white men - D'Shawntavious isn't worried about being kicked out of college because he ain't IN college) so high that most men will decide that the game is not worth the candle. Maybe you can't eliminate all heterosexual sex but you can cut it way down - unless the girl takes a breathalyzer and signs a contract, too dangerous to try. Also raise the age of consent so that an 18 yr old having sex with a 17 yr old is guilty of statutory rape even WITH all the papers signed. Not coincidentally, this increase the availability of women for butch lesbian women such as themselves. They are worse than the Puritans (maybe more like Mormons) - they just want all the babes for themselves.
  113. @Anon
    Someone tell this to Paul Ryan and Devin Nunes

    The Dutch love cheese, and ghee, and milk. They love their milk cold, which they take separate from tea or coffee.

    The dairy products come from some 1.7 million cows spread on 17,500 farms across The Netherlands and they produce about 15 billion litres of milk annually.

    Most of the dairy farms, interestingly, have no workers, with robots calling all the shots when it comes to how and when to feed the cows, clean the sheds and milk the animals.

    Ourselves we are the eighth generation farmers in the Vollering family. Our father started the process of modernising the farm in 1966 by moving it to the current location in Waarder,” says Adrie.

    Adrie and Bert have then continued with the modernisation of the farm that sits on 70 acres, with pasture standing on half of it. They built modern barns in 2011 and automated them for efficiency.

    “We have no worker on the farm. My brother and I take turns to monitor activities, which are performed by robots. Occasionally, we have a volunteer but the farm is fully automated.”
     
    https://www.nation.co.ke/business/seedsofgold/Psst--Robots-at-work/2301238-4782426-rnayjgz/index.html

    44 [204] > Occasionally, we have a volunteer but the farm is fully automated

    i’m so old, i can remember when a lot of kibbutz’im used to take in lots and lots of the foreign volunteers, halfway only because they wanted the kibbutz kids to be able to more easily get married off, without “migrating” to Rootless Cosmopolitan Tel Aviv…. And it’s been DECADES since the majority of foreign volunteers were “Jewish”

    nowadays, the Volcani agri-extension veterinarians are telling everyone to minimize the amount of humans that the cows ever get exposed to.

    the cows here, nowadays are functioning at like 103% of theoretical maximum milk-production capacity. Doesn’t leave much “wiggle room” for rocking the boat on their environment

    Anyway, our rural youths nowadays have THOROUGHLY picked up on drunken partying in mid-sized cities. Great overtime-pay for the blue-uniformed cops.

    The younger cops, in the grey BDUs & bright green berets, are Border Police conscripts. No overtime pay!

  114. @YetAnotherAnon
    Didn't check Steve's earlier posts, did I?

    Never mind, how about this?

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/shortcuts/2018/oct/01/animal-house-rape-culture-brett-kavanaugh-teen-movie-viewing

    "Animal House and rape culture: what Brett Kavanaugh's teen-movie viewing taught us
    The supreme court nominee invoked frat-house movies at the Senate hearing as an example of ‘goofy’ behaviour. But these films were more like a manual for sexual assault"
     

    Lord knows that my personality was, like, totally shaped by Animal House, as I’m sure it was for most of us.

    Above all else, we’ll always have: “Listen, you fucked up; you trusted us.”

    • Replies: @Kylie
    My personality was formed by Blue Velvet.
  115. @KL
    Most car accidents happen within a few miles of home. Why doesn't everybody just move?

    LOL, too, and that’s why I wait until I’m at least 10 miles away from home to take off my seat belt and look for uneaten bags of goldfish in the back of the station wagon. It’s been working great. Good thing we have the AAA for these valuable tidbits.

  116. @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, I tried to avoid using African-Americans as an example, because census data does not distinguish very well between African-Americans and other immigrants of African descent, but when it comes to communities often people of similar origins congregate, giving an area a particular flavor or ethnic microclimate within a particular precinct.

    Even the existence of particular businesses or institutions can affect a locale. For example when I lived in a small agricultural town in southwest Florida, I noticed that three years in a row, students with Vietnamese names were valedictorians at the local high school. This was apparently due to a large mental hospital near the town that employed several Vietnamese physicians. A more interesting question would be whether interaction with these bright Vietnamese students influenced other local students of different ethnicities.

    For another example, around the area of Mindanao Drive in Jacksonville, FL there seem to be several Filipino restaurants, a Filipino grocery, and I have visited Filipino clients on that side of town, so that might have some bearing on upward mobility in some precincts.

    But there could be a difference between Barbadians and Jamaicans, or between immigrants from the English speaking Caribbean versus the Spanish or Creole of Dutch speaking Caribbean. Immigrants from Trinidad and Guyana are likely to be 50% black and 50% Indian, or hybrids. (VS Naipaul emigrated from Trinidad to England and won a Nobel Prize, but probably not typical of the Windrush generation.)

    The birth data does distinguish between kinds of blacks. Married black birth is majority foreign-born and their kids (African) these days. Particularly so if you include native-born historical-American blacks marrying foreign-born black wives or husbands. Unmarried black birth is, well, it’s not really getting more eugenic over time, certainly. It is declining and in numbers and percentage is around 80s levels with a much larger population.

  117. @eric
    Do you think Chetty is sincerely obtuse, or just playing the game?

    Raj Chetty is an evil Third World snot who knows damn well that race and intelligence are inextricably linked. Raj Chetty also knows damn well that race and culture are linked, as well as race and civilization. Raj Chetty is anti-White.

    Raj Chetty is a frontman propaganda functionary for the evil WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire.

    The ASIAN QUESTION as represented by Raj Chetty and the JEW QUESTION as represented by Mark Zuckerberg and the MORMON QUESTION as represented by Jeff Flake will soon be widely discussed in American politics.

    Raj Chetty and Jeff Flake and Mark Zuckerberg all push open borders mass legal immigration and nation-wrecking multicultural mayhem.

  118. Related because I had to look up the Vietnamese guy in the article. He just does the graphics. But interestingly there was another article that cited him that is pure Sailer-bait.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/04/upshot/up-birth-age-gap.html

    It details the average age of first child across the US with an interactive map showing it for each district. Also displays a nice animation of the distribution of age at first child for women in the US as a whole in 1980 and then for 2016. I don’t need to tell you how dramatic it is.

    It also has the same map for college educated, non-college educated, married, unmarried.

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    Well, related to the discussion upthread about how data analysis means talking around the question, you might notice that the animated chart shows that we've traded teen pregnancy (mostly unwed and poor, with criminogenic and overly-old paternity) for 30something first births, enhanced/guaranteed with fertility drugs.

    The teen mother is a vanishing breed and she definitely isn't having multiple kids anymore. She's been partially replaced by a college-educated woman marrying at 29 and having a couple-three clomid babies or just getting the twin-conception bump that occurs in the mid30s. The pictures of mothers used are misleading. The 40yo is more likely to have twins and the noncollege mom is more like to have 1 kid, period.

    That's why the other maps are also misleading. The college educated map and the married map are basically the same women and this means the majority of married birth comes from the college educated pool of women (which among white and Asian women is practically all of them.)
  119. related:

    Nor Cal NAMS and cargo cultists are getting steamed about “educational inequality” yet whites and asians are starting to grow a spine when their own kids are threatened. In the last few days the SF paper has reported

    Lowell High School’s competitive selection process may violate state law
    San Francisco’s Lowell High School, ranked among the best public schools in the nation, has long admitted high academic achievers to secure its elite status, a practice that has not only led to racial inequities but also could be illegal. For decades, parents and politicians have debated the school’s selection process, which is largely based on grade-point average and test scores, saying it has created an institution that is both a feather in the city’s cap and an embarrassment in terms of racial equity.

    These California public schools are the worst for black students, according to a USC study
    There was nearly a 16 percent difference between the overall graduation rate for undergraduates and the graduation rate of black undergrads at UC Berkeley from 2013-2016, according to a new report from the University of Southern California. What’s more, Berkeley had the lowest “equity index score” of all the schools in the University of California system studied for the report.

    SF schools may shake up much-reviled lottery assignment system
    After eight years and thousands of complaints, the San Francisco Board of Education will consider overhauling a student assignment system that relies heavily on the luck of the draw for families forced to submit dozens of choices of schools for children entering kindergarten.

    Bonus: the people who run SF schools have names like Hydra Mendoza. It’s Tom Wolfe’s world, we’re just living in it.

  120. @El Dato

    In other words, race matters in determining what’s Magic Dirt and what’s Tragic Dirt. But once you control for race, nobody still has a clue what distinguishes Magic Dirt from Tragic Dirt.
     
    Crimestop is a powerful cognitive tool.

    please see my comment above (reply to Anon 926)

  121. @Anon

    At this finer scale, parsing outcomes by race and neighborhood, poor white children in Charlotte have had more opportunity than poor black children, even when they’ve grown up in the same neighborhoods.
     

    In other communities, what separates neighborhoods is probably tied to incarceration. For some neighborhoods in Milwaukee or New Haven, as many as one in four poor black boys growing up in those places were incarcerated. Their neighborhoods — or something about how those neighborhoods were policed — sent more poor children into prison than out of poverty.
     

    The answers are not clear yet.
     
    So this whole thing is a mystery, except that controlling for everything but race white children "have more opportunity" than black children. And "neighborhood policing" may be at fault for black youths in prison, which is the only thing keepting theses young men from getting a job, getting married, and raising a brood of kids "with opportunity."

    There is a big linguistic trend of replacing the concept of achievement with the word “opportunity.” My GF used to work at Teach for America where they have replaced “achievement gap” with “opportunities gap.” The children of white mechanics do better in school than the children of black doctors because of “opportunities.” Of course!

    Most people aren’t as educated about race and school performance the way the typical iSteve reader is, so they just accept these seemingly plausible explanations that totally collapse if you look at the data.

    • Replies: @Lagertha

    seemingly plausible explanations that totally collapse if you look at the data.
     
    Don't forget these fuzzy terms: "wrap-around"; "holistic approach"; "culturally sensitive," "welcoming," blah, blah, blah.
    , @Jack D
    If you look at "revealed preference" ( where wipipo actually choose to live and send their kids to school), wipopo fully understand what is going on - they just mouth the platitudes in public where it is cost free virtue signaling to them or even profitable to have some government or grant funded gig mouthing the right platitudes and buzz words.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    BigDickNick, Yes, last week the Buffalo News reported that even though fewer students are opting to take the NY State Achievement Test, blacks and Hispanics are again doing worse than whites and Asians. Not enough "Magic Dirt" to go around in Buffalo.
  122. @Lagertha
    Isn't their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news.

    LOL. How rich. Normally, we’re treated to a fusillade of hysterical screeching about how men are owned nothing (!!!11) sexually and the “incels” deserve their suffering and should just DIE already. Now that competition emerges (even laughably poor competition), the tune changes. How about that.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It's an interesting, science-fictiony question as to whether the development of sex robots will change the balance of power in the sexual marketplace. The former situation up until maybe a century ago was (with slight exaggeration) "land a man, the best that you can find but any man, because if you don't you are going to starve." Yes there were always alternatives like convents or brothels but these were less than ideal. So for most women, even Joe Lunchbox or Farmer Brown who was not the most charming guy and even maybe beat you a little when he was drunk was better than starvation.

    But for the last century women felt that it was no longer necessary to "settle". Uncle Sam could be your husband or you could get a job and you could be happier than if you had to put up with Farmer Brown every night. A certain % of women still wanted full time mates, especially high quality ones, but the supply exceeded the demand so they could afford to be picky.

    But, what if something happened that reduced the supply of men by taking them off the market - if a certain % of men were perfectly happy with their robot wives that never ask for alimony or have a headache?
  123. @Autochthon
    No, it's actually A Thing: A lot of prostitutes won't have sex with Negroes because of Negroes' well known proclivity to violence and rape, as well as the astronomically higher incidence of sexually transmitted disease amongst Negroes. So these hookers will be persecuted for their efforts to protect themselves in an already dangerous trade (mind you, I don't endorse the trade in the first instance; perhaps the serendipitous outcome will be for more women to abandon hooking and get real jobs...).

    I believe they also have a strong propensity not to pay up.

  124. @Charles Pewitt
    Steam Coming Out My Ears!

    You baby boomer boobs give that Third World snot, Raj Chetty, a bunch of crap -- which he deserves, of course -- about magic dirt and magical racial thinking, but you baby boomer bastards ain't talking about magic monetary policy that has created 3 sets of asset bubbles that have benefited you baby boomer bastards.

    Raise the federal funds rate to 20 percent and that will financially liquidate the baby boomers.

    During the financial implosion caused by a 20 percent federal funds rate, use that time window to remove tens of millions of non-European and non-Christian interlopers. Citizenship revocations will be expedited and used to reclaim the United States for the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    Radical enough?

    How about we just eliminate the FED, Charles, and let the interest rates take care of themselves? Yes, there will be that long-overdue implosion, of course. From Peak Financial Stupidity will come an overall Global Peak Stupidity. Out of the ashes will come a new world, devoid of anything buy minor imbecilities. Verily, I say, “GOLD, BITCHEZ!”

  125. @Achmed E. Newman
    You're damn straight gosh-darned tootin' the great plains are filled with magic dirt, Steve, or at least the tall-grass prairie portion is. There was grass growing there for so many thousands of years that they have to 1-2 ft thick dark black topsoil. Try growing a garden in red clay, compared to that nice Midwest loam.

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

    There was grass growing there for so many thousands of years that they have to 1-2 ft thick dark black topsoil.

    I understand the glaciers’ movement back and forth across the region was a major factor in making that wonderful soil.

    Ice age + ice people, together, we can make a difference!

    • Disagree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Sorry, meant to hit LOL
  126. @Steve Sailer
    That sounds like a good idea for a Hunger Games-like YA novel. Of course, it would have to be written by a black lady to get past the Sensitivity Readers.

    Somebody already wrote it and yes, it was a black woman with a black female lead character. Albeit the force miscegenation takes place between humans and an alien species who render humans sterile otherwise. According to the author it’s supposed to be a metaphor for assimilation of African Americans over the centuries.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith%27s_Brood

    Apparently somebody optioned the rights to make a TV series out of it, but I don’t know how that’s coming along, it was pre Trump on the escalator.

  127. @YetAnotherAnon
    Didn't check Steve's earlier posts, did I?

    Never mind, how about this?

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/shortcuts/2018/oct/01/animal-house-rape-culture-brett-kavanaugh-teen-movie-viewing

    "Animal House and rape culture: what Brett Kavanaugh's teen-movie viewing taught us
    The supreme court nominee invoked frat-house movies at the Senate hearing as an example of ‘goofy’ behaviour. But these films were more like a manual for sexual assault"
     

    But these films were more like a manual for sexual assault

    Written, greenlit and financed by Jews, I presume?

  128. @Lagertha
    Isn't their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news.

    Isn’t their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news

    There is a current story in The Guardian about opening a bot brothel in Houston, TX. that some locals have objected to for a variety of reasons–mostly it seems that they don’t want other people using them.

    In the US pornography seems to be quite acceptable, but in nearly all states it is illegal to pay someone for sex unless it is for purposes of free speech constituting making pornography for profit.

    I don’t really see what is wrong with paying people for sex, or offering them sex in exchange for their vote, for that matter, but in the US as soon as anything is legal, big business has to get involved, and I don’t think most people want to see drive-in brothels with billboards advertising BOGOs at the Interstate on-ramps and sponsoring NPR radio.

    Start with bot brothels, and the next thing you know there will be bot booths at airports charging exorbitant prices for a stand-up quickie that will be billed on your credit card as a shoeshine. Offers will arrive in the mail with a free bot job ticket for anyone who installs ADT cameras in their home.

    Business schools will offer MBAs with a concentration on sex bot sales, or maybe they already do.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    see my comment #106. Billboards advertising sex toy shops and "gentleman's clubs," with very explicit shots of cleavage and butt cheek are already on the highways of our state (I used to try to get my sons to look at something on the other side of the highway when I spotted the sign). I think bots are gonna win (Canada already has bot brothels) and it makes sense: no humans to sue you, destroy your career (later for whatever reason), extort money later, give you a disease, or talk!, hahaaa. I really don't care if men go to human hookers or robot hookers....or women pay for gigolos (seems like an antiquated term, now, with the #metoo craze). In fact, robots are the perfect antidote to avoiding being me-tood.

    I get your point. However, when I drove through Idaho & Nevada, they already advertise their brothels. I think robots would satisfy a lot of urges of crazy sex-starved men (and women: male bots: dildos with a hunky body that can embrace) or Muslim men who are not allowed to date - must be married to have sex/must marry a virgin.

    You are also correct about anything becoming a business, but wrong about the timing: window shopping for hookers has been legal in Amsterdam for decades - not much of a difference if they are human or robots. Plus, robots are perfect because they are not human. People generally like security, discretion and ease...all things that do reflect what a new business tries to create

    I think the blow-up sex dolls (when they became popular) are creepy, but in Japan, they and bots are a thing. People are weird. The hilarious part of this Houston development is: another low paying job that machines can do better.

    , @Daniel Chieh

    Business schools will offer MBAs with a concentration on sex bot sales, or maybe they already do.

     

    Taught by teacher bots, to surrogate bots for students on VR machine.
    , @Mike1
    I'm really confused why no one has ever worked out that prostitution can be totally legal if you have a camera recording. The quality of the sex worker would go way up because a lot of prettier girls aren't looking to get a felony (or have sex with police officers to avoid one). The John's would be more comfortable because the settings would improve. A dedicated porn mansion would be a lot nicer than a hotel.
    The John can be the customer paying for the tape. There is no law I'm aware of that porn has to be released to a wide audience.
    Currently we have a situation where Coca Cola is looking to sell weed drinks to the masses and prostitution is getting forced back onto the streets where the violent pimps reign. Our new society is promoting sexual repression at every turn (signed contracts before sex!) and ramping up the drugging of everyone.
    , @Jack D
    I don't know about airports, but pay per view (mostly pornographic) movies were (at least until internet streaming) a big profit center for hotels. Hotels would be a natural market for sex bots.

    I think the idea of a "brothel" (robot or otherwise) is sort of an obsolete idea given that all sorts of bricks & mortar stores are in trouble. The modern customer wants the product or service to come to him (no pun intended).
    , @Stan Adams
    So the shoe polish will be the same substance that Cameron Diaz used as hair gel in There’s Something About Mary? Nasty.
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    ... for purposes of free speech...
     
    A divorcée for whom I served as rebound guy told me about two of her fellow graphic designers who had sex in an art gallery -- as one of the exhibits.

    Yep, they made love in one of the gallery rooms while art lovers walked in and looked. They were an installation.

    Free speech, man!
  129. @Autochthon
    Hey Steve:

    News ffor your ongoing interest in rich Malibu keeping out the house polloi:

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/vinod-khoslas-epic-decade-long-battle-to-kick-surfers-off-his-property-ends-in-failure

    Vinod is of course a Hindoo from India, where no one but Indians are allowed to have any property rights at all in real estate, but he sure does love to bleat and bitch about Muh Property Rights in the F.U.S.A.....

    “A billionaire is a bad word in this country now,” he told the Times. “And that pains me.”

    Poor guy. He should go home. I can help with that. China Airlines can get you to Delhi for $586 (one-way of course).

  130. @Charles Pewitt
    OFF TOPIC

    Evil Google Is Attacking The State Of Tennessee!

    President Trump Must Declare War On Evil Google!

    https://twitter.com/LibertarianBlue/status/1046862855046385680

    Google Is Attacking American Sovereignty And American Liberty!

    Google Must Be Destroyed!

  131. @istevefan

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart.
     
    From the biography of Lawrence Welk:


    The family lived on a homestead that is now a tourist attraction. They spent the cold North Dakota winter of their first year inside an upturned wagon covered in sod.
     

    “an upturned wagon covered in sod” would be a snug sanctuary. I’ve seen a picture from Denmark of a ferro-cement boat used in the same way, resting on three foot walls.

    A (real) Finnish cabin I stayed in up in Michigan’s U.P. (Drummond Island) was dug three and a half feet into the ground. Cooked and heated with a genuine wood-burning kitchen stove (the real one’s are very expensive $3000-$10,000). It was snug in the worst weather, probably because below frost line. A genuine wood-burning kitchen stove is a heart warming thing. As long as its going, there’s hope. Not only is it providing warmth but with the free heat you can bake bread and pastries or a roast. It was literally the beating heart of our ancestor’s homes.

    https://www.woodlanddirect.com/Wood-Stove-and-Accessories/Cook-Stoves/Heartland-48-Classic-Dual-Fuel-Range-Stove-White

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Not so great when you wanted to cook in the summer. And turning a dial on a gas stove is a LOT easier than building a fire, dealing with the ashes, etc.

    Jacque Pepin tells that as a chef's apprentice in France in the '40s, one of his jobs was to stoke the coal fired kitchen stoves. You needed to have enough heat going to cook thru the lunch rush but without burning the food and without wasting fuel and without having the heat die down too soon, etc. - it was a real art to get it just right so that the peak heat coincided with the peak need for heat. And you can't just put a match to coal - first you start the fire with paper, and then kindling and then wood and gradually work up to coal. He said that Parisian restaurants had coal fired kitchen stoves well into the 1950s.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Between dropping out of high school and going to college, one of the things I did was build a log cabin with an old, iron, wood-burning kitchen stove in it. I lived there in the woods with my dog for 8 months, February through September.

    The stove was okay for cooking and for heating my 20' x 12' cabin, but it got so hot in the summer that I stopped cooking and just ate whatever I could pack in a mile through the woods and 3 miles down the road to town -- on foot, about once a week.

    The first month or two, I had to get up a couple of times every night to feed the damn fire, because the firebox on a cook stove is small. It's for heating the burners and the oven, not the room. When there was snow outside, the warmest I could keep the cabin was 50 degrees. I hung a thermometer just so I could know.

    Kitchen stoves are wrong for heating. I would have been better off with a Franklin stove or some other type made just for heat. You can still cook in a pot on top of those types.

  132. @BigDickNick
    There is a big linguistic trend of replacing the concept of achievement with the word "opportunity." My GF used to work at Teach for America where they have replaced "achievement gap" with "opportunities gap." The children of white mechanics do better in school than the children of black doctors because of "opportunities." Of course!

    Most people aren't as educated about race and school performance the way the typical iSteve reader is, so they just accept these seemingly plausible explanations that totally collapse if you look at the data.

    seemingly plausible explanations that totally collapse if you look at the data.

    Don’t forget these fuzzy terms: “wrap-around”; “holistic approach”; “culturally sensitive,” “welcoming,” blah, blah, blah.

  133. @Jonathan Mason

    It would be interesting if they could find, say, two side by side school districts that were seen as equally good during the base period but they chose different policies — e.g., phonics vs. whole word — with real world differences.
     
    I think the modern tendency is to use a mixture of both. My soon-to-be-six-year-old can spell out words quite well, but also has lists of "sight" words to memorize. English, unlike Spanish, does not lend itself too well to phonics.

    Part of the problem is explaining abstractions to very young children. Explaining that "oo" can be as in "look" or as in "food" is just too complicated, and never mind words like "feud" as opposed to "food" or "lewd".

    "Cat sat on mat" is fine for phonics, but the definite article is a sight word.

    Education still has a long way to go in figuring out what works. As a science, it is still at the point where biology was before Darwin.

    Schools will send third-grade students for whom English is a second language homework exercises that are not too difficult in themselves, except that college level English comprehension is often necessary to understand the instructions on how to complete the assignment--which does not work so well if the parents in the home don't have those skills.

    “Education still has a long way to go in figuring out what works.”

    Ai ken tel iu rait nau: ortogrefic riform.

    (2 types of “e”, I know.)

  134. @Steve Sailer
    That sounds like a good idea for a Hunger Games-like YA novel. Of course, it would have to be written by a black lady to get past the Sensitivity Readers.

    Is Dolezal well-employed right now?

  135. @Jonathan Mason

    Isn’t their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news
     
    There is a current story in The Guardian about opening a bot brothel in Houston, TX. that some locals have objected to for a variety of reasons--mostly it seems that they don't want other people using them.

    In the US pornography seems to be quite acceptable, but in nearly all states it is illegal to pay someone for sex unless it is for purposes of free speech constituting making pornography for profit.

    I don't really see what is wrong with paying people for sex, or offering them sex in exchange for their vote, for that matter, but in the US as soon as anything is legal, big business has to get involved, and I don't think most people want to see drive-in brothels with billboards advertising BOGOs at the Interstate on-ramps and sponsoring NPR radio.

    Start with bot brothels, and the next thing you know there will be bot booths at airports charging exorbitant prices for a stand-up quickie that will be billed on your credit card as a shoeshine. Offers will arrive in the mail with a free bot job ticket for anyone who installs ADT cameras in their home.

    Business schools will offer MBAs with a concentration on sex bot sales, or maybe they already do.

    see my comment #106. Billboards advertising sex toy shops and “gentleman’s clubs,” with very explicit shots of cleavage and butt cheek are already on the highways of our state (I used to try to get my sons to look at something on the other side of the highway when I spotted the sign). I think bots are gonna win (Canada already has bot brothels) and it makes sense: no humans to sue you, destroy your career (later for whatever reason), extort money later, give you a disease, or talk!, hahaaa. I really don’t care if men go to human hookers or robot hookers….or women pay for gigolos (seems like an antiquated term, now, with the #metoo craze). In fact, robots are the perfect antidote to avoiding being me-tood.

    I get your point. However, when I drove through Idaho & Nevada, they already advertise their brothels. I think robots would satisfy a lot of urges of crazy sex-starved men (and women: male bots: dildos with a hunky body that can embrace) or Muslim men who are not allowed to date – must be married to have sex/must marry a virgin.

    You are also correct about anything becoming a business, but wrong about the timing: window shopping for hookers has been legal in Amsterdam for decades – not much of a difference if they are human or robots. Plus, robots are perfect because they are not human. People generally like security, discretion and ease…all things that do reflect what a new business tries to create

    I think the blow-up sex dolls (when they became popular) are creepy, but in Japan, they and bots are a thing. People are weird. The hilarious part of this Houston development is: another low paying job that machines can do better.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "another low paying job that machines can do better"

    I think not


    "Those film stars and beauties will please you tonight
    If you go to bed with a book (or bot)
    But they can't hold a candle to something that trembles
    If you need to do more than look

    They come from rich fathers
    And twinkle their eyes
    And you're begging them please not to go
    When you're stuck for some loving
    They can make you feel special
    The painted ladies I know"
     

    A young Richard Thompson bemoans a temporary shortage of upper-middle class groupies, 1972

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AJDwBoDMCg

    , @Lagertha
    you and I are old...we are over.
  136. @Jonathan Mason

    Isn’t their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news
     
    There is a current story in The Guardian about opening a bot brothel in Houston, TX. that some locals have objected to for a variety of reasons--mostly it seems that they don't want other people using them.

    In the US pornography seems to be quite acceptable, but in nearly all states it is illegal to pay someone for sex unless it is for purposes of free speech constituting making pornography for profit.

    I don't really see what is wrong with paying people for sex, or offering them sex in exchange for their vote, for that matter, but in the US as soon as anything is legal, big business has to get involved, and I don't think most people want to see drive-in brothels with billboards advertising BOGOs at the Interstate on-ramps and sponsoring NPR radio.

    Start with bot brothels, and the next thing you know there will be bot booths at airports charging exorbitant prices for a stand-up quickie that will be billed on your credit card as a shoeshine. Offers will arrive in the mail with a free bot job ticket for anyone who installs ADT cameras in their home.

    Business schools will offer MBAs with a concentration on sex bot sales, or maybe they already do.

    Business schools will offer MBAs with a concentration on sex bot sales, or maybe they already do.

    Taught by teacher bots, to surrogate bots for students on VR machine.

  137. @L Woods
    LOL. How rich. Normally, we’re treated to a fusillade of hysterical screeching about how men are owned nothing (!!!11) sexually and the “incels” deserve their suffering and should just DIE already. Now that competition emerges (even laughably poor competition), the tune changes. How about that.

    It’s an interesting, science-fictiony question as to whether the development of sex robots will change the balance of power in the sexual marketplace. The former situation up until maybe a century ago was (with slight exaggeration) “land a man, the best that you can find but any man, because if you don’t you are going to starve.” Yes there were always alternatives like convents or brothels but these were less than ideal. So for most women, even Joe Lunchbox or Farmer Brown who was not the most charming guy and even maybe beat you a little when he was drunk was better than starvation.

    But for the last century women felt that it was no longer necessary to “settle”. Uncle Sam could be your husband or you could get a job and you could be happier than if you had to put up with Farmer Brown every night. A certain % of women still wanted full time mates, especially high quality ones, but the supply exceeded the demand so they could afford to be picky.

    But, what if something happened that reduced the supply of men by taking them off the market – if a certain % of men were perfectly happy with their robot wives that never ask for alimony or have a headache?

    • Replies: @anon
    Everyman can enjoy Hef like access to robot women with privacy. Something to contemplate for my dotage.
    Mere contemplation drives feminists nuts. They were all for vibrators. One tactic is to associate male sex toys with deviance. Titles like "should we ban sex bots while we still can?"

    Opinion | The Trouble With Sex Robots - The New York Times
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/opinion/sex-robots-consent.html
    Jul 17, 2017 - Sexual consent is a serious enough problem without bots ... there are ethical arguments within the field about sex robots with “frigid” settings.

     

    , @Lagertha
    My mother would not let me see Stepford Wives when it came out; I'm glad I waited because it was very scary, even at 18 when I finally saw it. So, robots have always been lurching and waiting in men's imaginations.
    , @L Woods
    As much as I'd love to see this happen, I fear that men are seeking companionship and social validation in sexual relationships as much as sexual release. I think this is an under appreciated way in which modern dysfunction as lent yet more power to women: social atomization and the decline of civil society has made them one of the last remaining prospective salves for loneliness in our age. Of course, this often doesn't work out too great in reality, but many men are desperate and see little other hope than that promised by the chimerical, idealized romantic relationship.
  138. @Jonathan Mason

    Isn’t their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news
     
    There is a current story in The Guardian about opening a bot brothel in Houston, TX. that some locals have objected to for a variety of reasons--mostly it seems that they don't want other people using them.

    In the US pornography seems to be quite acceptable, but in nearly all states it is illegal to pay someone for sex unless it is for purposes of free speech constituting making pornography for profit.

    I don't really see what is wrong with paying people for sex, or offering them sex in exchange for their vote, for that matter, but in the US as soon as anything is legal, big business has to get involved, and I don't think most people want to see drive-in brothels with billboards advertising BOGOs at the Interstate on-ramps and sponsoring NPR radio.

    Start with bot brothels, and the next thing you know there will be bot booths at airports charging exorbitant prices for a stand-up quickie that will be billed on your credit card as a shoeshine. Offers will arrive in the mail with a free bot job ticket for anyone who installs ADT cameras in their home.

    Business schools will offer MBAs with a concentration on sex bot sales, or maybe they already do.

    I’m really confused why no one has ever worked out that prostitution can be totally legal if you have a camera recording. The quality of the sex worker would go way up because a lot of prettier girls aren’t looking to get a felony (or have sex with police officers to avoid one). The John’s would be more comfortable because the settings would improve. A dedicated porn mansion would be a lot nicer than a hotel.
    The John can be the customer paying for the tape. There is no law I’m aware of that porn has to be released to a wide audience.
    Currently we have a situation where Coca Cola is looking to sell weed drinks to the masses and prostitution is getting forced back onto the streets where the violent pimps reign. Our new society is promoting sexual repression at every turn (signed contracts before sex!) and ramping up the drugging of everyone.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Most whores (bless them) look like dogs though. They can't compete with the pretty things on the internet.
  139. He should really switch to Political Science — his work is essentially political.

  140. @Karl
    14 Redneck Farmer > People too stupid to become truly productive individuals, like commodity traders



    actual farmers don't talk shit about the market-intermediaries who are THE ONLY ONES making it possible to obtain a guaranteed price for a soybean harvest.

    Ergo, you are most likely another City Kid

    Market intermediaries are one of those things (lawyers are another) that seems superfluous (“parasites”) until you get rid of them and then you find out the hard way why they existed in the first place and you have to re-invent them again (or continuing living at a subsistence level – yes you are poor as can be, but at least you don’t have those pesky intermediaries “stealing” from you).

    Running an economy without intermediaries ranks up there in the scale of brilliant ideas with running your car without oil.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  141. @Steve Sailer
    The dairy farms of Wisconsin are beautiful.

    You can drive by and smell their dairy air.

    • LOL: Bubba
  142. @Jonathan Mason

    Isn’t their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news
     
    There is a current story in The Guardian about opening a bot brothel in Houston, TX. that some locals have objected to for a variety of reasons--mostly it seems that they don't want other people using them.

    In the US pornography seems to be quite acceptable, but in nearly all states it is illegal to pay someone for sex unless it is for purposes of free speech constituting making pornography for profit.

    I don't really see what is wrong with paying people for sex, or offering them sex in exchange for their vote, for that matter, but in the US as soon as anything is legal, big business has to get involved, and I don't think most people want to see drive-in brothels with billboards advertising BOGOs at the Interstate on-ramps and sponsoring NPR radio.

    Start with bot brothels, and the next thing you know there will be bot booths at airports charging exorbitant prices for a stand-up quickie that will be billed on your credit card as a shoeshine. Offers will arrive in the mail with a free bot job ticket for anyone who installs ADT cameras in their home.

    Business schools will offer MBAs with a concentration on sex bot sales, or maybe they already do.

    I don’t know about airports, but pay per view (mostly pornographic) movies were (at least until internet streaming) a big profit center for hotels. Hotels would be a natural market for sex bots.

    I think the idea of a “brothel” (robot or otherwise) is sort of an obsolete idea given that all sorts of bricks & mortar stores are in trouble. The modern customer wants the product or service to come to him (no pun intended).

  143. @Lurker
    It's weird that the left, given that they are supposedly all about being humanist, nurture over nature etc seem determined to leave actual human capital out of the equation altogether.

    Except that if you accept that people differ in human capital, there goes all your equalist dogma.

  144. @stillCARealist
    That's pretty much how it works in CA. Unless you're in a gated community*, chances are you're less than one half mile away from low-income housing. If you don't believe me, look at your city's low income rentals by the map. Tell me how far it is from your house. For me, it's right down the street, and there are million dollar homes two streets away from me in the opposite direction.

    Of course, these maps won't include the homes where someone is getting a break on their loan, or not having to pay at all. Those situations can be a disabled person or a senior, but sometimes it's a low-income family that the local gov't just plopped down into a rental. I've already ranted here about that happening in our last neighborhood and what a TOTAL disaster it was.

    *for fun I looked up low-income housing Granite Bay and it turns out the rich people have no section 8 apartments. There's some stuff for seniors (that doesn't count IMO) but nothing for vibrancy.

    Of course, these maps won’t include the homes where someone is getting a break on their loan, or not having to pay at all. Those situations can be a disabled person or a senior, but sometimes it’s a low-income family that the local gov’t just plopped down into a rental. I’ve already ranted here about that happening in our last neighborhood and what a TOTAL disaster it was.

    Seems to me the purpose of this study is to provide support for moving MORE low-income families onto ‘magic dirt’… in spite of the obvious disaster that would be…

  145. @ThreeCranes
    "an upturned wagon covered in sod" would be a snug sanctuary. I've seen a picture from Denmark of a ferro-cement boat used in the same way, resting on three foot walls.

    A (real) Finnish cabin I stayed in up in Michigan's U.P. (Drummond Island) was dug three and a half feet into the ground. Cooked and heated with a genuine wood-burning kitchen stove (the real one's are very expensive $3000-$10,000). It was snug in the worst weather, probably because below frost line. A genuine wood-burning kitchen stove is a heart warming thing. As long as its going, there's hope. Not only is it providing warmth but with the free heat you can bake bread and pastries or a roast. It was literally the beating heart of our ancestor's homes.

    https://www.woodlanddirect.com/Wood-Stove-and-Accessories/Cook-Stoves/Heartland-48-Classic-Dual-Fuel-Range-Stove-White

    Not so great when you wanted to cook in the summer. And turning a dial on a gas stove is a LOT easier than building a fire, dealing with the ashes, etc.

    Jacque Pepin tells that as a chef’s apprentice in France in the ’40s, one of his jobs was to stoke the coal fired kitchen stoves. You needed to have enough heat going to cook thru the lunch rush but without burning the food and without wasting fuel and without having the heat die down too soon, etc. – it was a real art to get it just right so that the peak heat coincided with the peak need for heat. And you can’t just put a match to coal – first you start the fire with paper, and then kindling and then wood and gradually work up to coal. He said that Parisian restaurants had coal fired kitchen stoves well into the 1950s.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I heard a guest on a late night radio show argue that obesity and other health issues traced to the end of wood burning stoves. Back then, he said, the ashes were used to fertilize local vegetable plots, which made them more nutritious than current ones, in terms of certain trace minerals.
    , @Clyde

    Not so great when you wanted to cook in the summer. And turning a dial on a gas stove is a LOT easier than building a fire, dealing with the ashes, etc.
     
    Gas stoves are a major advance to free women from drudgery. You can master wood stove cooking in a week. Wood has to be hauled inside and kept supplied so that's a pain. Bugs jump out of the split wood of varying sizes for various heats you want.
    I would like to take a modern 30 year old professional woman who always eats out and see how fast she can figure out how to cook on a wood stove.
    During the hot months -- For farm families that had their act together the cast iron wood stove was disassembled (easy) and hauled just outside of the kitchen and into a covered breezeway. In fact I once helped with canning and it was done on a wood burning stove outside.
    , @ThreeCranes
    "Not so great when you wanted to cook in the summer."

    which is why Southrons (back in Jefferson's day) cooked outside in a separate shed, detached from the main house.
    , @Jonathan Mason
    He said that Parisian restaurants had coal fired kitchen stoves well into the 1950s.

    The kitchen was like nothing I had ever seen or imagined—a stifling, low-ceilinged inferno of a cellar, red-lit from the fires, and deafening with oaths and the clanging of pots and pans. It was so hot that all the metal-work except the stoves had to be covered with cloth. In the middle were furnaces, where twelve cooks skipped to and fro, their faces dripping sweat in spite of their white caps. Round that were counters where a mob of waiters and plongeurs clamoured with trays. Scullions, naked to the waist, were stoking the fires and scouring huge copper saucepans with sand.

    [George Orwell--Down and Out in London and Paris: 1933]

    Possibly Orwell exaggerated a tad.
  146. OT

    A surprising finding in Ireland (link):

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
  147. I don’t know about airports, but pay per view (mostly pornographic) movies were (at least until internet streaming) a big profit center for hotels.

    I think prostitution and illicit sex must be a big profit center for US hotels, period, especially those hotels that are on older pre-Interstate highways routes, and are not located at freeway exits and branded as chains.

    In many Latin American countries they have ‘cabanas’, or motels, some call them ‘ho’-tels’ where you can drive right into a garage with an electric door, then pay cash and order snacks anonymously at a revolving lazy-Susan type service hatch in each room, renting a room either for a short time or overnight quite anonymously.

    The cabana will not even know how many people are in the room. Some of the rooms are very luxurious with jacuzzis, mirrors on the ceiling (good for taking selfies), special chairs, and so on, but no windows.

    The US has nothing like this, so the hotel industry must be picking up the demand for daytime beds, baths, and beyond.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I met a guy in a checkout line who claimed to be a frequent gambler and insisted that pedophilia was an all but open activity in Las Vegas casinos. He claimed it was connected to child beauty pageants and tolerated because of the money it brought.
  148. @BigDickNick
    There is a big linguistic trend of replacing the concept of achievement with the word "opportunity." My GF used to work at Teach for America where they have replaced "achievement gap" with "opportunities gap." The children of white mechanics do better in school than the children of black doctors because of "opportunities." Of course!

    Most people aren't as educated about race and school performance the way the typical iSteve reader is, so they just accept these seemingly plausible explanations that totally collapse if you look at the data.

    If you look at “revealed preference” ( where wipipo actually choose to live and send their kids to school), wipopo fully understand what is going on – they just mouth the platitudes in public where it is cost free virtue signaling to them or even profitable to have some government or grant funded gig mouthing the right platitudes and buzz words.

  149. @The Last Real Calvinist

    The dairy farms of Wisconsin are beautiful.
     
    We drove from the ancestral village in NW Iowa to Chicago this past summer. When we crossed the Mississippi at Dubuque, we took back roads across the very southern edge of Wisconsin, an area I'd never been to before. I was astonished by how lovely it was. I had to admit to the rest of the Calvinists in the car that yes, so far as the evidence indicated, the scenery improved a lot by crossing from Iowa into Wisconsin.

    The southwestern area of Wisconsin is known as the driftless area. Some of the area extends into Iowa. If you like to fish, it has some of the best trout streams for fly fishing in the US. Very different feel though from out west. There are small, numerous cold flowing streams in small, narrow valleys. All catch and release, and carefully managed and maintained by Wisconsin DNR. Best enjoyed with a guide as stream conditions can vary widely by the day and year.

  150. Alt Right chieftain, Richard Spencer, was attacked and harassed while at a gym by Christine Fair in 2017.

    Christine Fair has gone completely insane with her hatred of White men.

    Christine Fair is operating under no known human constraints in her efforts to destroy White men.

    Christine Fair’s ideas and methods are unsound and inhumane. She wants an anti-White male apocalypse now.

    Every female Generation X man-hater has a breaking point, Christine Fair has reached hers. And very obviously she has gone insane.

    Love to know if the DEEP STATE human intelligence boobs are using Christine Fair for advice on anything.
    Wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

  151. @Achmed E. Newman
    That wasn't the whole Great Plains, OC, just a small portion (relatively) in the panhandles of Texas, Oklahoma, and parts of Kansas. It's the eastern portion, Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, southern Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, eastern Nebraska, etc., with the great soil. Places west of there were called the short-grass prairie.

    There is a line where annual rainfall is sufficiently under 20″ year that marks the dustbowl.

    It was funded by WWI grain prices, easy credit on farm equipment, cyclical high rainfall, and stubbornness. More speculators than the Joads.

  152. @Hippopotamusdrome

    the movie’s abiding scene was when freshman Pinto’s prospective conquest passes out, drunk and topless, at a party

     

    Not mentioned, she passes out while sitting on top of him while he lies undressed on a bed, and she is topless because she just finished removing her own bra herself. And then he didn't do anything.

    So a movie where guy doesn't molest a passed out drunk girl is "a dodgy celebration of rape culture"? Does anyone get raped in Animal House?

    Sixteen Candles
    Came out in 1984.

    Revenge of the Nerds
    1984

    Fast Times at Ridgemont High
    Aug 13, 1982

    These people are not (just) against rape. They are against heterosexual men and women having fun together or God forbid sex. By making every consensual sexual encounter into a potentially career destroying incident (thru retroactive revocation of consent and other tricks) they are hoping to raise the cost (for heterosexual men, especially white men – D’Shawntavious isn’t worried about being kicked out of college because he ain’t IN college) so high that most men will decide that the game is not worth the candle. Maybe you can’t eliminate all heterosexual sex but you can cut it way down – unless the girl takes a breathalyzer and signs a contract, too dangerous to try. Also raise the age of consent so that an 18 yr old having sex with a 17 yr old is guilty of statutory rape even WITH all the papers signed. Not coincidentally, this increase the availability of women for butch lesbian women such as themselves. They are worse than the Puritans (maybe more like Mormons) – they just want all the babes for themselves.

  153. @Jack D
    Not so great when you wanted to cook in the summer. And turning a dial on a gas stove is a LOT easier than building a fire, dealing with the ashes, etc.

    Jacque Pepin tells that as a chef's apprentice in France in the '40s, one of his jobs was to stoke the coal fired kitchen stoves. You needed to have enough heat going to cook thru the lunch rush but without burning the food and without wasting fuel and without having the heat die down too soon, etc. - it was a real art to get it just right so that the peak heat coincided with the peak need for heat. And you can't just put a match to coal - first you start the fire with paper, and then kindling and then wood and gradually work up to coal. He said that Parisian restaurants had coal fired kitchen stoves well into the 1950s.

    I heard a guest on a late night radio show argue that obesity and other health issues traced to the end of wood burning stoves. Back then, he said, the ashes were used to fertilize local vegetable plots, which made them more nutritious than current ones, in terms of certain trace minerals.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I doubt this is true because so much of our obesity epidemic has occurred in the last 50 years, long after the era of the woodstove in America.

    If I had to guess, these are the main causes:

    1. Push by gov for "lowfat" foods which are high in sugar and don't fill you up.

    2. Weird processed foods like transfat and high fructose corn syrup that your body was not designed to process.

    3. Food stamps

    4. Easy availability of really cheap, convenient, high calorie foods (e.g. Mc Donalds, KFC). Once upon a time something like fried chicken was a special treat that you might have a few times a year at picnics or other special occasions, but now you can have it every day! And a Super Size Coke. Coke bottles used to be 6 oz. back in the day.

    5. Sedentary life style - instead of picking cotton, Mammy has a desk job at the DMV but still eats like she is picking cotton all day.
  154. @Anonymous
    Word to the wise: stay away from Wisconsin. It's a hideous wasteland. Freezing in the winter, hot and humid in the summer. The skies are filled with mosquitoes, and the woods with dangerous animals like timberwolves and black bears. There is nothing, absolutely nothing good about Wisconsin. There is no reason to visit or move to Wisconsin, so just stay away.

    Please.

    How’s the deer hunting these days in the land o sky blue waters?

  155. @Steve Sailer
    A lot of it has to do with recent economic ups and downs during the before and after periods measured. North Dakota had fracking and the Great Plains in general have had good crops and lots of demand from China.

    Michigan of course got hammered by the decline of the American auto industry

    Read my Moneyball for Real Estate critique for a million examples. Chetty is discovering real stuff, it's just not the stuff he thought he was going to discover. For example, I hadn't known that the 21st Century has been surprisingly good for the Great Plains until I started looking at Chetty's maps in 2013.

    Chetty is discovering real stuff, it’s just not the stuff he thought he was going to discover.

    Chetty had better watch out what he discovers lest he discover himself right out of a job and into unpersonhood. But I suspect he is too shrewd for that.

  156. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/oct/01/physics-was-built-by-men-cern-scientist-alessandro-strumia-remark-sparks-fury

    A senior Italian scientist has been suspended after he sparked fury during a presentation at Cern, the European nuclear research centre in Geneva, when he said physics was “invented and built by men, it’s not by invitation”.

    Prof Alessandro Strumia of Pisa University claimed during a seminar on gender issues in physics that male scientists were being discriminated against because of ideology.

    Cern issued a statement on Monday suspending Strumia with immediate effect pending an investigation for his “unacceptable” presentation, which was “contrary to the Cern code of conduct”.

    “Cern always strives to carry out its scientific mission in a peaceful and inclusive environment,” it said. However, attendees questioned why he was allowed to speak at all, given that his views are widely known.
     
    Those sexist Italian males - what have they ever done for science (apart from Fibonacci, Galileo, Cassini, Torricelli, Galvani, Volta, Mercalli, Pareto, Venturi, Cavalli-Sforza, Rubbia, Fermi, Marconi)?

    CERN, that’s that Euro government physics boondoggle, right? Take the man’s money, respect the man’s rules of polite discourse.

  157. @Jack D
    Not so great when you wanted to cook in the summer. And turning a dial on a gas stove is a LOT easier than building a fire, dealing with the ashes, etc.

    Jacque Pepin tells that as a chef's apprentice in France in the '40s, one of his jobs was to stoke the coal fired kitchen stoves. You needed to have enough heat going to cook thru the lunch rush but without burning the food and without wasting fuel and without having the heat die down too soon, etc. - it was a real art to get it just right so that the peak heat coincided with the peak need for heat. And you can't just put a match to coal - first you start the fire with paper, and then kindling and then wood and gradually work up to coal. He said that Parisian restaurants had coal fired kitchen stoves well into the 1950s.

    Not so great when you wanted to cook in the summer. And turning a dial on a gas stove is a LOT easier than building a fire, dealing with the ashes, etc.

    Gas stoves are a major advance to free women from drudgery. You can master wood stove cooking in a week. Wood has to be hauled inside and kept supplied so that’s a pain. Bugs jump out of the split wood of varying sizes for various heats you want.
    I would like to take a modern 30 year old professional woman who always eats out and see how fast she can figure out how to cook on a wood stove.
    During the hot months — For farm families that had their act together the cast iron wood stove was disassembled (easy) and hauled just outside of the kitchen and into a covered breezeway. In fact I once helped with canning and it was done on a wood burning stove outside.

  158. anon[599] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    It's an interesting, science-fictiony question as to whether the development of sex robots will change the balance of power in the sexual marketplace. The former situation up until maybe a century ago was (with slight exaggeration) "land a man, the best that you can find but any man, because if you don't you are going to starve." Yes there were always alternatives like convents or brothels but these were less than ideal. So for most women, even Joe Lunchbox or Farmer Brown who was not the most charming guy and even maybe beat you a little when he was drunk was better than starvation.

    But for the last century women felt that it was no longer necessary to "settle". Uncle Sam could be your husband or you could get a job and you could be happier than if you had to put up with Farmer Brown every night. A certain % of women still wanted full time mates, especially high quality ones, but the supply exceeded the demand so they could afford to be picky.

    But, what if something happened that reduced the supply of men by taking them off the market - if a certain % of men were perfectly happy with their robot wives that never ask for alimony or have a headache?

    Everyman can enjoy Hef like access to robot women with privacy. Something to contemplate for my dotage.
    Mere contemplation drives feminists nuts. They were all for vibrators. One tactic is to associate male sex toys with deviance. Titles like “should we ban sex bots while we still can?”

    Opinion | The Trouble With Sex Robots – The New York Times
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/opinion/sex-robots-consent.html
    Jul 17, 2017 – Sexual consent is a serious enough problem without bots … there are ethical arguments within the field about sex robots with “frigid” settings.

    • Replies: @anon

    “There’s a basic human right that everybody’s entitled to a sexual life,” Professor Sharkey said. But is the basic human right to a sexual life the same as a universal entitlement to a young, attractive woman? Because that is what it is being subverted into here.

    There is a big difference between the right to dignity and privacy, the right to consensual sexual activity, and the idea that every man has some fundamental right to a woman’s body. By replicating women as realistically as possible, this is what such robots attempt to provide — down to every detail except the pesky necessity for an actual woman’s consent.
     

    A distinction without a difference. They are immediately playing the rape and pedo card. Competition from bots is terrifying. The idea of raping a bot is a head scratcher. I think they could be therapeutic and provide males low risk training.
  159. @Jack D
    Not so great when you wanted to cook in the summer. And turning a dial on a gas stove is a LOT easier than building a fire, dealing with the ashes, etc.

    Jacque Pepin tells that as a chef's apprentice in France in the '40s, one of his jobs was to stoke the coal fired kitchen stoves. You needed to have enough heat going to cook thru the lunch rush but without burning the food and without wasting fuel and without having the heat die down too soon, etc. - it was a real art to get it just right so that the peak heat coincided with the peak need for heat. And you can't just put a match to coal - first you start the fire with paper, and then kindling and then wood and gradually work up to coal. He said that Parisian restaurants had coal fired kitchen stoves well into the 1950s.

    “Not so great when you wanted to cook in the summer.”

    which is why Southrons (back in Jefferson’s day) cooked outside in a separate shed, detached from the main house.

    • Replies: @donut
    They did that so that a kitchen fire wouldn't burn the house down . My grandparents home in Ohio had a separate kitchen when it was built in the 1840's .
  160. @YetAnotherAnon
    Didn't check Steve's earlier posts, did I?

    Never mind, how about this?

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/shortcuts/2018/oct/01/animal-house-rape-culture-brett-kavanaugh-teen-movie-viewing

    "Animal House and rape culture: what Brett Kavanaugh's teen-movie viewing taught us
    The supreme court nominee invoked frat-house movies at the Senate hearing as an example of ‘goofy’ behaviour. But these films were more like a manual for sexual assault"
     

    But the way things are going, I wouldn’t be surprised if in fifty years, school textbooks state that the Germans did bomb Pearl Harbor.

  161. anon[599] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Everyman can enjoy Hef like access to robot women with privacy. Something to contemplate for my dotage.
    Mere contemplation drives feminists nuts. They were all for vibrators. One tactic is to associate male sex toys with deviance. Titles like "should we ban sex bots while we still can?"

    Opinion | The Trouble With Sex Robots - The New York Times
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/opinion/sex-robots-consent.html
    Jul 17, 2017 - Sexual consent is a serious enough problem without bots ... there are ethical arguments within the field about sex robots with “frigid” settings.

     

    “There’s a basic human right that everybody’s entitled to a sexual life,” Professor Sharkey said. But is the basic human right to a sexual life the same as a universal entitlement to a young, attractive woman? Because that is what it is being subverted into here.

    There is a big difference between the right to dignity and privacy, the right to consensual sexual activity, and the idea that every man has some fundamental right to a woman’s body. By replicating women as realistically as possible, this is what such robots attempt to provide — down to every detail except the pesky necessity for an actual woman’s consent.

    A distinction without a difference. They are immediately playing the rape and pedo card. Competition from bots is terrifying. The idea of raping a bot is a head scratcher. I think they could be therapeutic and provide males low risk training.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    The rationalization hamster is a hell of a beast.
  162. OT — “blow up you guys, I’m goin’ home.”
    The other day — when hundreds of firearms were stolen from a UPS warehouse in what must have been an inside job — I predicted that frequent minor terror incidents woud coincide with the craven Democrats feeling their backs against the wall. Today biological weapon packages allegedly arrived at the Pentagon. Walk away from the Supreme Court nominee and the horror will end.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/at-least-two-packages-sent-to-pentagon-suspected-to-contain-ricin-amid-scare-at-cruz-office-in-texas

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pentagon-packages-may-contain-ricin-found-grounds-164424660–politics.html

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pentagon-ricin-20181002-story.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/us/politics/ricin-pentagon-mail-poisoning.html

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45725535

  163. @istevefan
    There are a number of videos on Youtube showing various harvests. If you have never seen farmers at work, these videos can be quite interesting. Here is one showing a family harvest their wheat crop in 2015. The guys really put together a professional video even making use of an aerial drone. I imagine they have over a million dollars of equipment. But on the plus side they don't need an army of cheap labor.

    There are a number of videos on Youtube showing various harvests. If you have never seen farmers at work, these videos can be quite interesting. Here is one showing a family harvest their wheat crop in 2015. The guys really put together a professional video even making use of an aerial drone. I imagine they have over a million dollars of equipment. But on the plus side they don’t need an army of cheap labor.

    Rich farmers or farm corporations own their own wheat harvesting equipment, I suppose. They might also be contracting it out to a few neighbors for extra income. For smaller farms, they contract out with a harvesting crew with millions invested in machinery that follows the soy and wheat, corn harvests northward as they ripen.

  164. @Jonathan Mason

    I don’t know about airports, but pay per view (mostly pornographic) movies were (at least until internet streaming) a big profit center for hotels.
     
    I think prostitution and illicit sex must be a big profit center for US hotels, period, especially those hotels that are on older pre-Interstate highways routes, and are not located at freeway exits and branded as chains.

    In many Latin American countries they have 'cabanas', or motels, some call them 'ho'-tels' where you can drive right into a garage with an electric door, then pay cash and order snacks anonymously at a revolving lazy-Susan type service hatch in each room, renting a room either for a short time or overnight quite anonymously.

    The cabana will not even know how many people are in the room. Some of the rooms are very luxurious with jacuzzis, mirrors on the ceiling (good for taking selfies), special chairs, and so on, but no windows.

    The US has nothing like this, so the hotel industry must be picking up the demand for daytime beds, baths, and beyond.

    I met a guy in a checkout line who claimed to be a frequent gambler and insisted that pedophilia was an all but open activity in Las Vegas casinos. He claimed it was connected to child beauty pageants and tolerated because of the money it brought.

  165. @Lagertha
    Isn't their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news.

    Sex robots are an accident waiting to happen. Robotic servo mechanisms, high amp currents, moisture, and vulnerable human fleshy bits don’t mix.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Right, we know that thousands of women die each year (and tens of thousands are injured) in vibrator accidents. Tragic.
  166. White “privilege” is no white countries, cities, neighborhoods.
    White “privilege” is open borders.
    White “privilege” is No-White-Anything-Anywhere.

    It’s Anti White

  167. @BigDickNick
    There is a big linguistic trend of replacing the concept of achievement with the word "opportunity." My GF used to work at Teach for America where they have replaced "achievement gap" with "opportunities gap." The children of white mechanics do better in school than the children of black doctors because of "opportunities." Of course!

    Most people aren't as educated about race and school performance the way the typical iSteve reader is, so they just accept these seemingly plausible explanations that totally collapse if you look at the data.

    BigDickNick, Yes, last week the Buffalo News reported that even though fewer students are opting to take the NY State Achievement Test, blacks and Hispanics are again doing worse than whites and Asians. Not enough “Magic Dirt” to go around in Buffalo.

  168. @Altai
    Related because I had to look up the Vietnamese guy in the article. He just does the graphics. But interestingly there was another article that cited him that is pure Sailer-bait.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/04/upshot/up-birth-age-gap.html

    It details the average age of first child across the US with an interactive map showing it for each district. Also displays a nice animation of the distribution of age at first child for women in the US as a whole in 1980 and then for 2016. I don't need to tell you how dramatic it is.

    It also has the same map for college educated, non-college educated, married, unmarried.

    Well, related to the discussion upthread about how data analysis means talking around the question, you might notice that the animated chart shows that we’ve traded teen pregnancy (mostly unwed and poor, with criminogenic and overly-old paternity) for 30something first births, enhanced/guaranteed with fertility drugs.

    The teen mother is a vanishing breed and she definitely isn’t having multiple kids anymore. She’s been partially replaced by a college-educated woman marrying at 29 and having a couple-three clomid babies or just getting the twin-conception bump that occurs in the mid30s. The pictures of mothers used are misleading. The 40yo is more likely to have twins and the noncollege mom is more like to have 1 kid, period.

    That’s why the other maps are also misleading. The college educated map and the married map are basically the same women and this means the majority of married birth comes from the college educated pool of women (which among white and Asian women is practically all of them.)

  169. @North Carolina Resident
    Idea for learning what is taught in school:

    Consider buying a history or social studies textbook on ebay or amazon. Used grade school textbooks usually are cheap.

    Let us know what you learn.

    @79 North Carolina Resident: “Consider buying a history or social studies textbook on ebay or amazon. Used grade school textbooks usually are cheap.”

    One really doesn’t need to exercise much subterfuge. In my case, I was genuinely considering the local public schools (albeit with a strong bias toward private schools) and arranged meetings with a few teachers and asked to look through their textbooks. You could do the same at high school level by claiming to have grandchildren or good friends moving to the district who asked you some questions about the local schools. Just pretend to be a genial, clueless, normie or goodthinker, and scan the textbooks and make a few notes. They let me borrow a few books to peruse at home so that should certainly be possible, too. WARNING: I also did this with my sons’ Christian schools – and the reading and history textbooks they planned to use for middle school were as appallingly bad and anti-White as anything to be found in a public school. The goodthinking churchians got to the Christian publishers about 10 years ago and inserted all sorts of historical nonentity numinous Negroes and evil blond rayciss boys. It’s why I began home schooling.

  170. OT — find the bicycles, this one is worth it. Ford gave the same “psychopathically malicious smarm glare” as Strzok.

  171. @Dave Pinsen
    I heard a guest on a late night radio show argue that obesity and other health issues traced to the end of wood burning stoves. Back then, he said, the ashes were used to fertilize local vegetable plots, which made them more nutritious than current ones, in terms of certain trace minerals.

    I doubt this is true because so much of our obesity epidemic has occurred in the last 50 years, long after the era of the woodstove in America.

    If I had to guess, these are the main causes:

    1. Push by gov for “lowfat” foods which are high in sugar and don’t fill you up.

    2. Weird processed foods like transfat and high fructose corn syrup that your body was not designed to process.

    3. Food stamps

    4. Easy availability of really cheap, convenient, high calorie foods (e.g. Mc Donalds, KFC). Once upon a time something like fried chicken was a special treat that you might have a few times a year at picnics or other special occasions, but now you can have it every day! And a Super Size Coke. Coke bottles used to be 6 oz. back in the day.

    5. Sedentary life style – instead of picking cotton, Mammy has a desk job at the DMV but still eats like she is picking cotton all day.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Easy availability of really cheap, convenient, high calorie foods (e.g. Mc Donalds, KFC).
     
    Those places seem expensive to me, especially as the food is largely inedible and subject to sales tax in my state. However many employers do not provide meals any more, and busy employees who have to get up early and do not have time to make sandwiches and a drink have little choice but to patronize these places.

    When I was growing up in England, a roast chicken on a Sunday was a great treat and made a change from the usual boring lamb, though my brother-in-law raised both lamb and chickens.

    How things change. Factory farming techniques have made it much cheaper to eat chicken than it used to be. You can buy a fully roasted chicken from Walmart for $5 and have it for supper and make the next day's meal from a soup or casserole from the carcass. In England we would usually eat the leftover chicken cold the next day with salad, or thinly sliced in sandwiches, or for picnics on summer weekends.

    The downside is that now potatoes cost almost as much per pound as chicken.

    I also agree with what you say about the Coke. Apparently a 20 oz bottle of Coca Cola contains the equivalent of 20 teaspoons of sugar, whereas you can easily make 6 gallons of unsweet tea for $1.50 yourself and take it to work, or wherever you want to drink it. Tap water is also drinkable in most parts of the US, other than Flint, MI.

    , @Anonymous
    Not only were soda sizes much smaller, but at least they used real sugar in the old days. Now it's high fructose corn syrup, which is very much more destructive.
  172. OFF TOPIC

    Frizzy-Haired Baby Boomer Globalizer Fop Wally Russell Mead Doesn’t Even Use The Word ‘IMMIGRATION’ To Describe Why Frenchy Canadian Quebecker Won Election

  173. And what matters, the researchers find, is a hyper-local setting: the environment within about half a mile of a child’s home.

    LOL

    a half mile?

    There is little more than one’s own family within a half mile of home in lots of those rural counties.

    That Chetty prick needs to get out more!

  174. @Mike1
    I'm really confused why no one has ever worked out that prostitution can be totally legal if you have a camera recording. The quality of the sex worker would go way up because a lot of prettier girls aren't looking to get a felony (or have sex with police officers to avoid one). The John's would be more comfortable because the settings would improve. A dedicated porn mansion would be a lot nicer than a hotel.
    The John can be the customer paying for the tape. There is no law I'm aware of that porn has to be released to a wide audience.
    Currently we have a situation where Coca Cola is looking to sell weed drinks to the masses and prostitution is getting forced back onto the streets where the violent pimps reign. Our new society is promoting sexual repression at every turn (signed contracts before sex!) and ramping up the drugging of everyone.

    Most whores (bless them) look like dogs though. They can’t compete with the pretty things on the internet.

  175. @Jack D
    Not so great when you wanted to cook in the summer. And turning a dial on a gas stove is a LOT easier than building a fire, dealing with the ashes, etc.

    Jacque Pepin tells that as a chef's apprentice in France in the '40s, one of his jobs was to stoke the coal fired kitchen stoves. You needed to have enough heat going to cook thru the lunch rush but without burning the food and without wasting fuel and without having the heat die down too soon, etc. - it was a real art to get it just right so that the peak heat coincided with the peak need for heat. And you can't just put a match to coal - first you start the fire with paper, and then kindling and then wood and gradually work up to coal. He said that Parisian restaurants had coal fired kitchen stoves well into the 1950s.

    He said that Parisian restaurants had coal fired kitchen stoves well into the 1950s.

    The kitchen was like nothing I had ever seen or imagined—a stifling, low-ceilinged inferno of a cellar, red-lit from the fires, and deafening with oaths and the clanging of pots and pans. It was so hot that all the metal-work except the stoves had to be covered with cloth. In the middle were furnaces, where twelve cooks skipped to and fro, their faces dripping sweat in spite of their white caps. Round that were counters where a mob of waiters and plongeurs clamoured with trays. Scullions, naked to the waist, were stoking the fires and scouring huge copper saucepans with sand.

    [George Orwell–Down and Out in London and Paris: 1933]

    Possibly Orwell exaggerated a tad.

  176. @Lagertha
    see my comment #106. Billboards advertising sex toy shops and "gentleman's clubs," with very explicit shots of cleavage and butt cheek are already on the highways of our state (I used to try to get my sons to look at something on the other side of the highway when I spotted the sign). I think bots are gonna win (Canada already has bot brothels) and it makes sense: no humans to sue you, destroy your career (later for whatever reason), extort money later, give you a disease, or talk!, hahaaa. I really don't care if men go to human hookers or robot hookers....or women pay for gigolos (seems like an antiquated term, now, with the #metoo craze). In fact, robots are the perfect antidote to avoiding being me-tood.

    I get your point. However, when I drove through Idaho & Nevada, they already advertise their brothels. I think robots would satisfy a lot of urges of crazy sex-starved men (and women: male bots: dildos with a hunky body that can embrace) or Muslim men who are not allowed to date - must be married to have sex/must marry a virgin.

    You are also correct about anything becoming a business, but wrong about the timing: window shopping for hookers has been legal in Amsterdam for decades - not much of a difference if they are human or robots. Plus, robots are perfect because they are not human. People generally like security, discretion and ease...all things that do reflect what a new business tries to create

    I think the blow-up sex dolls (when they became popular) are creepy, but in Japan, they and bots are a thing. People are weird. The hilarious part of this Houston development is: another low paying job that machines can do better.

    “another low paying job that machines can do better”

    I think not

    “Those film stars and beauties will please you tonight
    If you go to bed with a book (or bot)
    But they can’t hold a candle to something that trembles
    If you need to do more than look

    They come from rich fathers
    And twinkle their eyes
    And you’re begging them please not to go
    When you’re stuck for some loving
    They can make you feel special
    The painted ladies I know”

    A young Richard Thompson bemoans a temporary shortage of upper-middle class groupies, 1972

  177. San Francisco chronicle has an article today about the worst California schools for black students, which turns out to be most. While reading another story about this problem I found this quote from a school Administrator for African American Achievement on efforts to improve the situation…”We have been tilling the fields and cultivating the soil.” They actually believe in “Magic Dirt.”

    • Replies: @newrouter
    lol
  178. @Jack D
    I doubt this is true because so much of our obesity epidemic has occurred in the last 50 years, long after the era of the woodstove in America.

    If I had to guess, these are the main causes:

    1. Push by gov for "lowfat" foods which are high in sugar and don't fill you up.

    2. Weird processed foods like transfat and high fructose corn syrup that your body was not designed to process.

    3. Food stamps

    4. Easy availability of really cheap, convenient, high calorie foods (e.g. Mc Donalds, KFC). Once upon a time something like fried chicken was a special treat that you might have a few times a year at picnics or other special occasions, but now you can have it every day! And a Super Size Coke. Coke bottles used to be 6 oz. back in the day.

    5. Sedentary life style - instead of picking cotton, Mammy has a desk job at the DMV but still eats like she is picking cotton all day.

    Easy availability of really cheap, convenient, high calorie foods (e.g. Mc Donalds, KFC).

    Those places seem expensive to me, especially as the food is largely inedible and subject to sales tax in my state. However many employers do not provide meals any more, and busy employees who have to get up early and do not have time to make sandwiches and a drink have little choice but to patronize these places.

    When I was growing up in England, a roast chicken on a Sunday was a great treat and made a change from the usual boring lamb, though my brother-in-law raised both lamb and chickens.

    How things change. Factory farming techniques have made it much cheaper to eat chicken than it used to be. You can buy a fully roasted chicken from Walmart for $5 and have it for supper and make the next day’s meal from a soup or casserole from the carcass. In England we would usually eat the leftover chicken cold the next day with salad, or thinly sliced in sandwiches, or for picnics on summer weekends.

    The downside is that now potatoes cost almost as much per pound as chicken.

    I also agree with what you say about the Coke. Apparently a 20 oz bottle of Coca Cola contains the equivalent of 20 teaspoons of sugar, whereas you can easily make 6 gallons of unsweet tea for $1.50 yourself and take it to work, or wherever you want to drink it. Tap water is also drinkable in most parts of the US, other than Flint, MI.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Are you sure you weren't eating mutton back then?

    Lamb is now the most expensive meat. Followed by beef, pork and chicken, in that order.
    , @Jack D
    I honestly don't know how it is possible for chicken to be so cheap. Chickens eat basically corn meal (with some vitamins and other stuff added) and the retail price of a lb. of corn meal and a lb. of chicken are almost the same. But in order to produce a lb. of chicken (especially after you have removed the feathers, entrails, etc.) you have to feed it several lb. of corn meal (not that chicken farmers buy their corn meal retail). And the chicken requires not just the corn meal but all sorts of other inputs - barns, labor, processing, etc. The economics of it just don't make any sense. Maybe corn meal is not a big retail item so the margins on it are bigger than on chicken.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard

    However many employers do not provide meals any more...
     
    My company has a cafeteria.

    I hope you like brown salads and green lunchmeat!
    , @Alden
    There’s always kool aid with artificial sweetener. It can also be used to color the hair red pink purple lavender green blue orange yellow.

    Crystal light is a more expensive kool aid but just as good. Plant some mint in your yard and make mint tea.delicious

  179. @Jonathan Mason

    Easy availability of really cheap, convenient, high calorie foods (e.g. Mc Donalds, KFC).
     
    Those places seem expensive to me, especially as the food is largely inedible and subject to sales tax in my state. However many employers do not provide meals any more, and busy employees who have to get up early and do not have time to make sandwiches and a drink have little choice but to patronize these places.

    When I was growing up in England, a roast chicken on a Sunday was a great treat and made a change from the usual boring lamb, though my brother-in-law raised both lamb and chickens.

    How things change. Factory farming techniques have made it much cheaper to eat chicken than it used to be. You can buy a fully roasted chicken from Walmart for $5 and have it for supper and make the next day's meal from a soup or casserole from the carcass. In England we would usually eat the leftover chicken cold the next day with salad, or thinly sliced in sandwiches, or for picnics on summer weekends.

    The downside is that now potatoes cost almost as much per pound as chicken.

    I also agree with what you say about the Coke. Apparently a 20 oz bottle of Coca Cola contains the equivalent of 20 teaspoons of sugar, whereas you can easily make 6 gallons of unsweet tea for $1.50 yourself and take it to work, or wherever you want to drink it. Tap water is also drinkable in most parts of the US, other than Flint, MI.

    Are you sure you weren’t eating mutton back then?

    Lamb is now the most expensive meat. Followed by beef, pork and chicken, in that order.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Are you sure you weren’t eating mutton back then?
     
    No, but we lived in sheep country and in the springtime I could hear the baa-ing of the lambs all night.
    , @Autochthon
    Surely veal and the best cuts of beef, like filet mignon, still cost more than lamb?
  180. @KL
    Most car accidents happen within a few miles of home. Why doesn't everybody just move?

    Its worse than that. I moved because I read that most accidents of all types happen at home so I got the hell out.
    Seriously though, “Most car accidents happen within a few miles of home. Why doesn’t everybody just move?” is exactly the logic that drives the Magic Dirt/ Tragic Dirt policies. Most crimes and poverty happen in neighborhoods full of brown people so we need to move them into neighborhoods full of White people.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    "Most car accidents happen within a few miles of home. Why doesn’t everybody just move?” is exactly the logic that drives the Magic Dirt/ Tragic Dirt policies.
     
    And yet one of these is clearly seen by everyone to be an obvious and laughable fallacy and the other is taken seriously by the NY Times and by the leading social "scientists" and policy makers of our day as an actual policy prescription. Why the difference?
  181. @Karl
    14 Redneck Farmer > People too stupid to become truly productive individuals, like commodity traders



    actual farmers don't talk shit about the market-intermediaries who are THE ONLY ONES making it possible to obtain a guaranteed price for a soybean harvest.

    Ergo, you are most likely another City Kid

    We feed most of our beans, if we have any left over, we sell those.

  182. @Steve Sailer
    Pushing blacks out of gentrifiable inner cities into racist suburbs and small towns.

    Blacks in DC have called pushing blacks out of DC The Plan for 50 years, and it's coming true all over. Chetty's data will be cited as to why it's good for blacks who used to have a housing project a mile from Chicago's most expensive real estate to go live in Dubuque where they will have more opportunity.

    Blacks in rural areas and small towns aren’t doing great. Nor are blacks from rural areas and small towns. So, there is no reason to think that these locales will suddenly be “good for the blacks”.

    I think there is also the prospect of white folks moving away from blacks, again. That equals profit potential for real estate developers. Also, lots and lots of land in the boonies is owned by foreigners.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    Lots of land in the boonies is owned by foreigners? What do you mean?
  183. @Alfa158
    Its worse than that. I moved because I read that most accidents of all types happen at home so I got the hell out.
    Seriously though, "Most car accidents happen within a few miles of home. Why doesn’t everybody just move?" is exactly the logic that drives the Magic Dirt/ Tragic Dirt policies. Most crimes and poverty happen in neighborhoods full of brown people so we need to move them into neighborhoods full of White people.

    “Most car accidents happen within a few miles of home. Why doesn’t everybody just move?” is exactly the logic that drives the Magic Dirt/ Tragic Dirt policies.

    And yet one of these is clearly seen by everyone to be an obvious and laughable fallacy and the other is taken seriously by the NY Times and by the leading social “scientists” and policy makers of our day as an actual policy prescription. Why the difference?

  184. @Sarah Toga

    There was grass growing there for so many thousands of years that they have to 1-2 ft thick dark black topsoil.
     
    I understand the glaciers' movement back and forth across the region was a major factor in making that wonderful soil.

    Ice age + ice people, together, we can make a difference!

    Sorry, meant to hit LOL

  185. @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

     

    I appreciate your mention of how tough it was for the pioneers in the upper Midwest. My ancestors (all Dutch) were among those who settled in NW Iowa.

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on -- families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success -- is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

    I admired them as a kid when we were taught about them in school, and I admire them much more now.

    I wonder how they're being presented in schools these days: as heroic, steadfast settlers -- or as the storm troopers of the invading oppressors stomping in to soak up the spoils of the native Americans' dispossession?

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on — families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success — is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

    I would highly recommend the novel “Giants in the Earth” by Ole Edvart Rolvaag as a terrific fictional recreation of those times. It’s quite moving, highly realistic in style, and really puts you right there in the time and place.

    It also gives you hints (unintentionally I think) of the kind of demented altruism that would turn these hard-driving Norwegian pioneers into the self-destructive Nordic cucks we know today.

    Forgive the link to Amazon:

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks much for the recommendation; I've heard of Giants, but haven't read it.
  186. @Jonathan Mason

    Easy availability of really cheap, convenient, high calorie foods (e.g. Mc Donalds, KFC).
     
    Those places seem expensive to me, especially as the food is largely inedible and subject to sales tax in my state. However many employers do not provide meals any more, and busy employees who have to get up early and do not have time to make sandwiches and a drink have little choice but to patronize these places.

    When I was growing up in England, a roast chicken on a Sunday was a great treat and made a change from the usual boring lamb, though my brother-in-law raised both lamb and chickens.

    How things change. Factory farming techniques have made it much cheaper to eat chicken than it used to be. You can buy a fully roasted chicken from Walmart for $5 and have it for supper and make the next day's meal from a soup or casserole from the carcass. In England we would usually eat the leftover chicken cold the next day with salad, or thinly sliced in sandwiches, or for picnics on summer weekends.

    The downside is that now potatoes cost almost as much per pound as chicken.

    I also agree with what you say about the Coke. Apparently a 20 oz bottle of Coca Cola contains the equivalent of 20 teaspoons of sugar, whereas you can easily make 6 gallons of unsweet tea for $1.50 yourself and take it to work, or wherever you want to drink it. Tap water is also drinkable in most parts of the US, other than Flint, MI.

    I honestly don’t know how it is possible for chicken to be so cheap. Chickens eat basically corn meal (with some vitamins and other stuff added) and the retail price of a lb. of corn meal and a lb. of chicken are almost the same. But in order to produce a lb. of chicken (especially after you have removed the feathers, entrails, etc.) you have to feed it several lb. of corn meal (not that chicken farmers buy their corn meal retail). And the chicken requires not just the corn meal but all sorts of other inputs – barns, labor, processing, etc. The economics of it just don’t make any sense. Maybe corn meal is not a big retail item so the margins on it are bigger than on chicken.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Chickens eat basically corn meal (with some vitamins and other stuff added) and the retail price of a lb. of corn meal and a lb. of chicken are almost the same.
     
    While that may be the case in your neck of the woods, corn meal is 50 cents a lb where I am, whereas a whole chicken ranges from $1.20 to $1.50 per lb. This is the standard issue Tyson chicken, not the frou-frou Whole Foods organic variant. The feed conversion ratio for American broilers is about 1.60 - i.e. 1.6 lbs of feed for 1 lb of chicken brought to market. Throw in sales of chicken feet to China, and I think you've figured out how chicken is so cheap here.
    , @Joe Schmoe
    Chickens eat Offal. Look it up, you won't be glad you did.

    and yes, it is pronounced 'awful'
    , @anon
    The economics of feral cats?
    , @bomag
    Chickens eat basically corn meal (with some vitamins and other stuff added) and the retail price of a lb. of corn meal and a lb. of chicken are almost the same.

    You need to go by the cash price of corn on the Kansas City grain exchange. That is the basis ingredient in chicken feed, and can often be had for nine cents a pound.

  187. @The Last Real Calvinist

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

     

    I appreciate your mention of how tough it was for the pioneers in the upper Midwest. My ancestors (all Dutch) were among those who settled in NW Iowa.

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on -- families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success -- is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

    I admired them as a kid when we were taught about them in school, and I admire them much more now.

    I wonder how they're being presented in schools these days: as heroic, steadfast settlers -- or as the storm troopers of the invading oppressors stomping in to soak up the spoils of the native Americans' dispossession?

    Willa Cather’s My Antonia is one of my favorite novels, in part for the way she celebrates the courage and resilience of those who settled on the plains of Nebraska. No preaching, just telling the story of their tenacity in the loveliest, most lyrical prose.

    “All the years that have passed have not dimmed my memory of that first glorious autumn.”

    Writing just does not get any better than that.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Agreed; Cather's the stuff: a wonderfully limpid, luminous style.
  188. Raj Chetty: the one man distillation of PeterIke’s Law, and all the proof you need that it’s true.

  189. @Jonathan Mason

    Isn’t their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news
     
    There is a current story in The Guardian about opening a bot brothel in Houston, TX. that some locals have objected to for a variety of reasons--mostly it seems that they don't want other people using them.

    In the US pornography seems to be quite acceptable, but in nearly all states it is illegal to pay someone for sex unless it is for purposes of free speech constituting making pornography for profit.

    I don't really see what is wrong with paying people for sex, or offering them sex in exchange for their vote, for that matter, but in the US as soon as anything is legal, big business has to get involved, and I don't think most people want to see drive-in brothels with billboards advertising BOGOs at the Interstate on-ramps and sponsoring NPR radio.

    Start with bot brothels, and the next thing you know there will be bot booths at airports charging exorbitant prices for a stand-up quickie that will be billed on your credit card as a shoeshine. Offers will arrive in the mail with a free bot job ticket for anyone who installs ADT cameras in their home.

    Business schools will offer MBAs with a concentration on sex bot sales, or maybe they already do.

    So the shoe polish will be the same substance that Cameron Diaz used as hair gel in There’s Something About Mary? Nasty.

  190. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yep. Chetty's studies will be used to locate low-income, low-IQ, dysfunctional black (and, to a degree, Hispanic) families into middle and upper-middle income white (and, presumably, Asian) neighborhoods on a micro level.

    What I mean is that this won't just be creating a Section 8 housing zone in a white area, i.e. a crappy part of town that can be avoided for the most part. Chetty's works specifically states that the black kids need to basically live down the street from white and Asian kids and that there not be too many other blacks around to screw them up.

    And what matters, the researchers find, is a hyper-local setting: the environment within about half a mile of a child’s home.
     
    This means sprinkling dangerous black families in white and Asian neighborhoods around the country. What's more, Chetty's earlier studies found that the black kids need to actually interact with the white and Asian kids, so community get-togethers will be pushed as well.

    Personally, I would back this. I'm sick to death of "I don't see color" whites having their cake and eating it too. Living like members of the KKK (well, the ten or twenty non-FBI informant members) while simultaneously looking down their noses at working-class whites who complain about losing their neighborhoods, they need to feel the pain of their politics.

    Let's see if their colorblindness miraculously heals when they have your typical black kids prowling their once-safe suburban street.

    At the moment, discussing politics (when allowed at all) with my Dem and cuck GOP neighbors and friends is the equivalent of arguing about the number of angels your can fit on the head of a pin. It's all abstract so what's the point. For the Dems, it about moral supreriority. For the cuck GOPers, it's about keeping your head down and getting by.

    Time to start having some skin in the game.

    What’s more, Chetty’s earlier studies found that the black kids need to actually interact with the white and Asian kids, so community get-togethers will be pushed as well.

    Will not happen. Blacks do not want to go to the boring stuff white people like. It is like camping. They hate that stuff. It is hard to get Asians to hang out with whites. Do Asians want to play Little League baseball? No. How about church league basketball? No. Christian Asians go to their own churches, so you can be dang sure they aren’t going to church with blacks. Whites are the only group that is willing to hang out with the “other”. Chetty needs to get out more.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    A lot of East Asians attend church with white people. I'm thinking Catholics, in particular.
    , @Twinkie

    It is hard to get Asians to hang out with whites.
     
    What? Are you serious? Asians have very high rates of intermarriage with whites and are the most likely to live in neighborhoods with people outside their own race.
    , @1661er

    Do Asians want to play Little League baseball? No.
     
    https://www.littleleague.org/world-series/2018/llbws/teams/west-region/
    The latest Little League Baseball World Series Champion from US, if you include various types of hapa, were almost constituted entirely with Asians/Pacific Islanders.

    Christian Asians go to their own churches, so you can be dang sure they aren’t going to church with blacks.
     
    They do mix at local Tridentine masses, so they have no problem hanging out with Latin speaking black Catholics.
    , @stillCARealist
    White people stuff is often expensive, and welfare blacks don't have the money for such activities. Crossfit? Golf? Tennis clubs? Minor league hockey or soccer games? All expensive.

    Don't get me started on book clubs, chess clubs, ballroom dancing, soccer leagues, ballet, hiking, frisbee golf, horses. We've done all this stuff over the years and every race except black is represented. This may be an unfair generalization, but what I see is that blacks want to hang out. For free.
  191. @Jack D
    It's an interesting, science-fictiony question as to whether the development of sex robots will change the balance of power in the sexual marketplace. The former situation up until maybe a century ago was (with slight exaggeration) "land a man, the best that you can find but any man, because if you don't you are going to starve." Yes there were always alternatives like convents or brothels but these were less than ideal. So for most women, even Joe Lunchbox or Farmer Brown who was not the most charming guy and even maybe beat you a little when he was drunk was better than starvation.

    But for the last century women felt that it was no longer necessary to "settle". Uncle Sam could be your husband or you could get a job and you could be happier than if you had to put up with Farmer Brown every night. A certain % of women still wanted full time mates, especially high quality ones, but the supply exceeded the demand so they could afford to be picky.

    But, what if something happened that reduced the supply of men by taking them off the market - if a certain % of men were perfectly happy with their robot wives that never ask for alimony or have a headache?

    My mother would not let me see Stepford Wives when it came out; I’m glad I waited because it was very scary, even at 18 when I finally saw it. So, robots have always been lurching and waiting in men’s imaginations.

  192. @Achmed E. Newman
    You're damn straight gosh-darned tootin' the great plains are filled with magic dirt, Steve, or at least the tall-grass prairie portion is. There was grass growing there for so many thousands of years that they have to 1-2 ft thick dark black topsoil. Try growing a garden in red clay, compared to that nice Midwest loam.

    It is, indeed, Magic Dirt. It just needed the Magic People who came a hundred and fifty years ago to make it work miracles. Their magic consisted mostly of hard work in a severe climate.

    The Argentine pampas have 8 to 12 ft. thick rich top soils from jillions of years of erosion of the eastern slopes of the Andes. Most of the area is frost free for most or all year.

  193. @Jonathan Mason

    Easy availability of really cheap, convenient, high calorie foods (e.g. Mc Donalds, KFC).
     
    Those places seem expensive to me, especially as the food is largely inedible and subject to sales tax in my state. However many employers do not provide meals any more, and busy employees who have to get up early and do not have time to make sandwiches and a drink have little choice but to patronize these places.

    When I was growing up in England, a roast chicken on a Sunday was a great treat and made a change from the usual boring lamb, though my brother-in-law raised both lamb and chickens.

    How things change. Factory farming techniques have made it much cheaper to eat chicken than it used to be. You can buy a fully roasted chicken from Walmart for $5 and have it for supper and make the next day's meal from a soup or casserole from the carcass. In England we would usually eat the leftover chicken cold the next day with salad, or thinly sliced in sandwiches, or for picnics on summer weekends.

    The downside is that now potatoes cost almost as much per pound as chicken.

    I also agree with what you say about the Coke. Apparently a 20 oz bottle of Coca Cola contains the equivalent of 20 teaspoons of sugar, whereas you can easily make 6 gallons of unsweet tea for $1.50 yourself and take it to work, or wherever you want to drink it. Tap water is also drinkable in most parts of the US, other than Flint, MI.

    However many employers do not provide meals any more…

    My company has a cafeteria.

    I hope you like brown salads and green lunchmeat!

  194. @Lagertha
    The conundrum to "the plan" is how do they push for demographic change for towns like: Rye, Great Neck, Katonah, Chappaqua, Oyster Bay, Franklin Lakes, East Orange, Morristown, West Port, Darien, New Canaan, Madison, Cheshire, etc.? - and about 400+ more towns surrounding NYC. Minorities are very resentful that they were pushed to the Bronx, but now they are being pushed further. Unless Chetty will some day call for transporting people all the way to Iowa/Nebraska/Oklahoma, how will Progressives feel when they must accept change in their towns that are close to Boston, NYC, DC, and, how does Chetty finagle it? Will the hypocrisy of Progressives & their cult of diversity finally be exposed? I didn't mention low/middle income white towns in the Tri-State area since the school test scores are low/mediocre; divorce rate is high (slow recovery from 2008); and many people are also, moving out of non-affluent towns to Carolinas, FLA, etc. Lastly, many upper income people are leaving the Tri-State area, for those same states, as well....some for taxes, some for sun, some to be closer to their kids. Houses over 700K are on the market for a year or more (not Gold Coast or Hamptons, etc.)

    “. . . transporting people all the way to Iowa/Nebraska/Oklahoma.”

    Didn’t Andrew Jackson set a precedent by deporting undesirable minorities west of the Mississippi along the Trail of Tears? After the Cherokee, other tribal groups were packed off later. It’s been done before.

  195. @Jack D
    I honestly don't know how it is possible for chicken to be so cheap. Chickens eat basically corn meal (with some vitamins and other stuff added) and the retail price of a lb. of corn meal and a lb. of chicken are almost the same. But in order to produce a lb. of chicken (especially after you have removed the feathers, entrails, etc.) you have to feed it several lb. of corn meal (not that chicken farmers buy their corn meal retail). And the chicken requires not just the corn meal but all sorts of other inputs - barns, labor, processing, etc. The economics of it just don't make any sense. Maybe corn meal is not a big retail item so the margins on it are bigger than on chicken.

    Chickens eat basically corn meal (with some vitamins and other stuff added) and the retail price of a lb. of corn meal and a lb. of chicken are almost the same.

    While that may be the case in your neck of the woods, corn meal is 50 cents a lb where I am, whereas a whole chicken ranges from $1.20 to $1.50 per lb. This is the standard issue Tyson chicken, not the frou-frou Whole Foods organic variant. The feed conversion ratio for American broilers is about 1.60 – i.e. 1.6 lbs of feed for 1 lb of chicken brought to market. Throw in sales of chicken feet to China, and I think you’ve figured out how chicken is so cheap here.

  196. @Jonathan Mason

    It would be interesting if they could find, say, two side by side school districts that were seen as equally good during the base period but they chose different policies — e.g., phonics vs. whole word — with real world differences.
     
    I think the modern tendency is to use a mixture of both. My soon-to-be-six-year-old can spell out words quite well, but also has lists of "sight" words to memorize. English, unlike Spanish, does not lend itself too well to phonics.

    Part of the problem is explaining abstractions to very young children. Explaining that "oo" can be as in "look" or as in "food" is just too complicated, and never mind words like "feud" as opposed to "food" or "lewd".

    "Cat sat on mat" is fine for phonics, but the definite article is a sight word.

    Education still has a long way to go in figuring out what works. As a science, it is still at the point where biology was before Darwin.

    Schools will send third-grade students for whom English is a second language homework exercises that are not too difficult in themselves, except that college level English comprehension is often necessary to understand the instructions on how to complete the assignment--which does not work so well if the parents in the home don't have those skills.

    Phonics is just pattern recognition. First they teach a bunch of word families like -at, cat, rat, bat, and -uck, duck, truck, stuck, etc. After kids learn a few of these, they get the idea that there are patterns and then they start noticing patterns on their own, including lots of them that aren’t taught. Kids who don’t notice the patterns are special ed and go to the reading specialist who points out every obvious feature (that other kids figure out on their own) and then drills them and makes them repeat etc.

    Whole language works great for kids who can already read when they get to school, which is many many white kids. Also, people learn Chinese which pretty much proves that whole language works by just memorizing each word one at a time else no one would ever learn Chinese writing.

  197. GET EDUCATED

    https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/09/unburdening_the_white_man.html

    “We, fellow white men, have a choice. We can resist this change through futile measures, each incrementally more desperate and barbaric than the last. We can quarantine minorities into gerrymandered districts. We can put children in cages on our borders. We can put sexual assault survivors before inquisitions in the United States Senate.

    Or we can embrace change, make our peace, and share the table.

    The American Story hasn’t always been true, and might not ever have been true, but that doesn’t mean it has to be a lie.

    It can be a promise our forebearers made many generations ago, and a promise our generation gets to keep.”

    • Replies: @L Woods
    This site needs a "vomit" button.
    , @Alden
    ESAD you POS. I’m so glad I was able to send so many of your bros to maximum terms in state prison.
  198. @Jack D
    I honestly don't know how it is possible for chicken to be so cheap. Chickens eat basically corn meal (with some vitamins and other stuff added) and the retail price of a lb. of corn meal and a lb. of chicken are almost the same. But in order to produce a lb. of chicken (especially after you have removed the feathers, entrails, etc.) you have to feed it several lb. of corn meal (not that chicken farmers buy their corn meal retail). And the chicken requires not just the corn meal but all sorts of other inputs - barns, labor, processing, etc. The economics of it just don't make any sense. Maybe corn meal is not a big retail item so the margins on it are bigger than on chicken.

    Chickens eat Offal. Look it up, you won’t be glad you did.

    and yes, it is pronounced ‘awful’

    • Replies: @Alden
    They also eat their own poop. All day long if they can get it. Lots of old farmers who grew up in the old days. when the chickens roamed around the chicken pens eating their own poop never ate chicken because of that.

    Another gross farm factoid. Often a beef and chicken operation are on one ranch. Silage is alfalfa and other stuff stored in a silo and sort of fermented a bit to feed the cattle.

    Chicken ranches layer the chicken poop with the alfalfa and feed the silage to the beef cattle in the feed lots to fatten them up for a few months before selling them to the packing plants. It’s the most high protein silage and produces excellent beef.

    Source my brother the farmer.
    , @Jack D
    It depends on the producer. Perdue, for example, advertises that their chickens eat an "all vegetarian diet":

    https://www.perduefarms.com/news/blog/all-vegetarian-chicken-feed-blog/

    So if chickens eating offal bothers you, buy Perdue or organic chicken (organic standards also do not permit the use of animal by-products in the poultry diet) or some other brand that doesn't feed offal to their birds.

    The main concern with offal from other species is that you will introduce new diseases into the animals which may then make the jump to humans. Some of the worst diseases (AIDs, flu, Ebola, Mad Cow Disease, etc.) are caused when viruses present in one species mutate and jump to a new species that has no immunity. So a vegetarian diet for species that we eat is safer (and the traditional food animals in the Western diet were never predators like dogs and cats).
  199. @Steve Sailer
    A lot of it has to do with recent economic ups and downs during the before and after periods measured. North Dakota had fracking and the Great Plains in general have had good crops and lots of demand from China.

    Michigan of course got hammered by the decline of the American auto industry

    Read my Moneyball for Real Estate critique for a million examples. Chetty is discovering real stuff, it's just not the stuff he thought he was going to discover. For example, I hadn't known that the 21st Century has been surprisingly good for the Great Plains until I started looking at Chetty's maps in 2013.

    For example, I hadn’t known that the 21st Century has been surprisingly good for the Great Plains until I started looking at Chetty’s maps in 2013.

    The more Somalis we get the better it gets!

  200. @eah
    OT

    A surprising finding in Ireland (link):

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoVItm-XkAAmPd-.jpg

    Thanks.

  201. @Jack D
    I honestly don't know how it is possible for chicken to be so cheap. Chickens eat basically corn meal (with some vitamins and other stuff added) and the retail price of a lb. of corn meal and a lb. of chicken are almost the same. But in order to produce a lb. of chicken (especially after you have removed the feathers, entrails, etc.) you have to feed it several lb. of corn meal (not that chicken farmers buy their corn meal retail). And the chicken requires not just the corn meal but all sorts of other inputs - barns, labor, processing, etc. The economics of it just don't make any sense. Maybe corn meal is not a big retail item so the margins on it are bigger than on chicken.

    The economics of feral cats?

  202. @anon
    Any ideas on the disparity b/w rural white Michigan vs Wisconsin?

    Looks like white people create Magic Dirt while blacks and Native Americans create Tragic Dirt. Maybe research into that would help solve the mystery.

  203. @Buffalo Joe
    San Francisco chronicle has an article today about the worst California schools for black students, which turns out to be most. While reading another story about this problem I found this quote from a school Administrator for African American Achievement on efforts to improve the situation..."We have been tilling the fields and cultivating the soil." They actually believe in "Magic Dirt."

    lol

  204. @Hypnotoad666
    Not being allowed to draw obvious but politically incorrect conclusions from data is a full-employment bill for social "scientists." They get to spend all their time constructing and defending alternative Rube Goldberg theories about how reality really works.

    It's like when astronomers weren't allowed to propose a heliocentric solar system. It allowed them to come up with some pretty creative theories about why Mars and Venus seemed to move backward and forward in the sky unpredictably. Ignoring reality = more "mysteries" to ponder.

    Good analogy on the non-heliocentric theories.

    However this case is far worse as the evidence is all around us all the time.

    Wealthy, advanced countries correllate with race — White or East Asian. Black countries mired in corruption and poverty despite anazing natural recource wealth.

    White-run countries turned Black-run countries (hello Zimbabwe!) fall into decay and ruin.

    Must be the magic dirt. Sort of.

  205. @Joe Schmoe

    What’s more, Chetty’s earlier studies found that the black kids need to actually interact with the white and Asian kids, so community get-togethers will be pushed as well.
     
    Will not happen. Blacks do not want to go to the boring stuff white people like. It is like camping. They hate that stuff. It is hard to get Asians to hang out with whites. Do Asians want to play Little League baseball? No. How about church league basketball? No. Christian Asians go to their own churches, so you can be dang sure they aren't going to church with blacks. Whites are the only group that is willing to hang out with the "other". Chetty needs to get out more.

    A lot of East Asians attend church with white people. I’m thinking Catholics, in particular.

  206. @Tiny Duck
    GET EDUCATED

    https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/09/unburdening_the_white_man.html

    “We, fellow white men, have a choice. We can resist this change through futile measures, each incrementally more desperate and barbaric than the last. We can quarantine minorities into gerrymandered districts. We can put children in cages on our borders. We can put sexual assault survivors before inquisitions in the United States Senate.

    Or we can embrace change, make our peace, and share the table.

    The American Story hasn’t always been true, and might not ever have been true, but that doesn’t mean it has to be a lie.

    It can be a promise our forebearers made many generations ago, and a promise our generation gets to keep.”

    This site needs a “vomit” button.

  207. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yep. Chetty's studies will be used to locate low-income, low-IQ, dysfunctional black (and, to a degree, Hispanic) families into middle and upper-middle income white (and, presumably, Asian) neighborhoods on a micro level.

    What I mean is that this won't just be creating a Section 8 housing zone in a white area, i.e. a crappy part of town that can be avoided for the most part. Chetty's works specifically states that the black kids need to basically live down the street from white and Asian kids and that there not be too many other blacks around to screw them up.

    And what matters, the researchers find, is a hyper-local setting: the environment within about half a mile of a child’s home.
     
    This means sprinkling dangerous black families in white and Asian neighborhoods around the country. What's more, Chetty's earlier studies found that the black kids need to actually interact with the white and Asian kids, so community get-togethers will be pushed as well.

    Personally, I would back this. I'm sick to death of "I don't see color" whites having their cake and eating it too. Living like members of the KKK (well, the ten or twenty non-FBI informant members) while simultaneously looking down their noses at working-class whites who complain about losing their neighborhoods, they need to feel the pain of their politics.

    Let's see if their colorblindness miraculously heals when they have your typical black kids prowling their once-safe suburban street.

    At the moment, discussing politics (when allowed at all) with my Dem and cuck GOP neighbors and friends is the equivalent of arguing about the number of angels your can fit on the head of a pin. It's all abstract so what's the point. For the Dems, it about moral supreriority. For the cuck GOPers, it's about keeping your head down and getting by.

    Time to start having some skin in the game.

    Typical black kids are a little loud and irritating, but they aren’t dangerous. You’re generalizing a minority of troublemakers.

    Also, this plan you describe is never going to happen. Do you get the impression Democrats are world-spanning geniuses, with all going according to their plan? I don’t. They seem even dumber and less capable than the Republicans. This is like when people talk about the left banning guns. Yeah, right, as soon as they stop tearing out each other’s eyes over who goes to the bathroom where, so never.

  208. @anon

    “There’s a basic human right that everybody’s entitled to a sexual life,” Professor Sharkey said. But is the basic human right to a sexual life the same as a universal entitlement to a young, attractive woman? Because that is what it is being subverted into here.

    There is a big difference between the right to dignity and privacy, the right to consensual sexual activity, and the idea that every man has some fundamental right to a woman’s body. By replicating women as realistically as possible, this is what such robots attempt to provide — down to every detail except the pesky necessity for an actual woman’s consent.
     

    A distinction without a difference. They are immediately playing the rape and pedo card. Competition from bots is terrifying. The idea of raping a bot is a head scratcher. I think they could be therapeutic and provide males low risk training.

    The rationalization hamster is a hell of a beast.

  209. @Jack D
    It's an interesting, science-fictiony question as to whether the development of sex robots will change the balance of power in the sexual marketplace. The former situation up until maybe a century ago was (with slight exaggeration) "land a man, the best that you can find but any man, because if you don't you are going to starve." Yes there were always alternatives like convents or brothels but these were less than ideal. So for most women, even Joe Lunchbox or Farmer Brown who was not the most charming guy and even maybe beat you a little when he was drunk was better than starvation.

    But for the last century women felt that it was no longer necessary to "settle". Uncle Sam could be your husband or you could get a job and you could be happier than if you had to put up with Farmer Brown every night. A certain % of women still wanted full time mates, especially high quality ones, but the supply exceeded the demand so they could afford to be picky.

    But, what if something happened that reduced the supply of men by taking them off the market - if a certain % of men were perfectly happy with their robot wives that never ask for alimony or have a headache?

    As much as I’d love to see this happen, I fear that men are seeking companionship and social validation in sexual relationships as much as sexual release. I think this is an under appreciated way in which modern dysfunction as lent yet more power to women: social atomization and the decline of civil society has made them one of the last remaining prospective salves for loneliness in our age. Of course, this often doesn’t work out too great in reality, but many men are desperate and see little other hope than that promised by the chimerical, idealized romantic relationship.

  210. @ThreeCranes
    "Not so great when you wanted to cook in the summer."

    which is why Southrons (back in Jefferson's day) cooked outside in a separate shed, detached from the main house.

    They did that so that a kitchen fire wouldn’t burn the house down . My grandparents home in Ohio had a separate kitchen when it was built in the 1840’s .

  211. @Anonymous
    Are you sure you weren't eating mutton back then?

    Lamb is now the most expensive meat. Followed by beef, pork and chicken, in that order.

    Are you sure you weren’t eating mutton back then?

    No, but we lived in sheep country and in the springtime I could hear the baa-ing of the lambs all night.

  212. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Sex robots are an accident waiting to happen. Robotic servo mechanisms, high amp currents, moisture, and vulnerable human fleshy bits don't mix.

    Right, we know that thousands of women die each year (and tens of thousands are injured) in vibrator accidents. Tragic.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "Right, we know that thousands of women die each year (and tens of thousands are injured) in vibrator accidents."


    Search for "an engineer told me before he died" - but don't do it at work.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    What is essentially a 400lb Chuck E. Cheese robot, running a program written by an H1b from Mumbai, is more hazardous than a vibrator. Plus, there's likely going to be two or three of these things running at the same time.
  213. @Lurker
    It's weird that the left, given that they are supposedly all about being humanist, nurture over nature etc seem determined to leave actual human capital out of the equation altogether.

    …seem determined to leave actual human capital out of the equation

    They very much know about it, and study it so they can be sure the “bad” people aren’t using it.

    Reminds me of the joke where Satan is mad because the only people listening to his back masked messages are clergy with reversing turntables.

  214. @Joe Schmoe

    What’s more, Chetty’s earlier studies found that the black kids need to actually interact with the white and Asian kids, so community get-togethers will be pushed as well.
     
    Will not happen. Blacks do not want to go to the boring stuff white people like. It is like camping. They hate that stuff. It is hard to get Asians to hang out with whites. Do Asians want to play Little League baseball? No. How about church league basketball? No. Christian Asians go to their own churches, so you can be dang sure they aren't going to church with blacks. Whites are the only group that is willing to hang out with the "other". Chetty needs to get out more.

    It is hard to get Asians to hang out with whites.

    What? Are you serious? Asians have very high rates of intermarriage with whites and are the most likely to live in neighborhoods with people outside their own race.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    I live in Fort Bend county, the most Asian county in Texas. I personally know Chinese kids who have lived here their entire lives and have one facebook friend, my son, who is not Asian. Obviously, Asians in the USA are pretty high functioning and if there aren't other Asians to associate with, they will do some stuff with whites. But if the school is 1/3 Asian, they pretty much hang out with one another. We have never had more than one Asian player on any of our Little League teams in 14 years of Little League baseball even though the area is over 30% Asian. Of course Hawaii is more Asian than that, so you can get a team that is half white. Plus the Asians in Hawaii are Japanese, who love baseball, or natives who are influenced by and married to the Japanese. So, there are reasons. I agree about the Catholics, and that may be due to the fact that the mass is the same regardless of where you are from. My observation is that when there are enough of their own, they hang out with their own. Chetty probably wants to deprive blacks of a community of their own so they can be influenced by the "other" higher functioning communities. In my experience, it doesn't happen easily if at all.
  215. @Jack D
    I honestly don't know how it is possible for chicken to be so cheap. Chickens eat basically corn meal (with some vitamins and other stuff added) and the retail price of a lb. of corn meal and a lb. of chicken are almost the same. But in order to produce a lb. of chicken (especially after you have removed the feathers, entrails, etc.) you have to feed it several lb. of corn meal (not that chicken farmers buy their corn meal retail). And the chicken requires not just the corn meal but all sorts of other inputs - barns, labor, processing, etc. The economics of it just don't make any sense. Maybe corn meal is not a big retail item so the margins on it are bigger than on chicken.

    Chickens eat basically corn meal (with some vitamins and other stuff added) and the retail price of a lb. of corn meal and a lb. of chicken are almost the same.

    You need to go by the cash price of corn on the Kansas City grain exchange. That is the basis ingredient in chicken feed, and can often be had for nine cents a pound.

  216. @Joe Schmoe
    Blacks in rural areas and small towns aren't doing great. Nor are blacks from rural areas and small towns. So, there is no reason to think that these locales will suddenly be "good for the blacks".

    I think there is also the prospect of white folks moving away from blacks, again. That equals profit potential for real estate developers. Also, lots and lots of land in the boonies is owned by foreigners.

    Lots of land in the boonies is owned by foreigners? What do you mean?

  217. @peterike

    Those first years out on the prairies were not for the faint of heart. There were not nearly enough trees to build much, so many of the original settlers constructed sod huts and lived in them for years. They must have worked almost unimaginably hard, and the level of risk they took on — families uprooting their lives in toto, with no guarantees of any kind of success — is hard to grasp with our 21st-century sensibilities.

     

    I would highly recommend the novel "Giants in the Earth" by Ole Edvart Rolvaag as a terrific fictional recreation of those times. It's quite moving, highly realistic in style, and really puts you right there in the time and place.

    It also gives you hints (unintentionally I think) of the kind of demented altruism that would turn these hard-driving Norwegian pioneers into the self-destructive Nordic cucks we know today.

    Forgive the link to Amazon:

    https://www.amazon.com/Giants-Earth-Prairie-Perennial-Classics/dp/0060931930

    Thanks much for the recommendation; I’ve heard of Giants, but haven’t read it.

  218. @Kylie
    Willa Cather's My Antonia is one of my favorite novels, in part for the way she celebrates the courage and resilience of those who settled on the plains of Nebraska. No preaching, just telling the story of their tenacity in the loveliest, most lyrical prose.

    "All the years that have passed have not dimmed my memory of that first glorious autumn."


    Writing just does not get any better than that.

    Agreed; Cather’s the stuff: a wonderfully limpid, luminous style.

  219. @ThreeCranes
    "an upturned wagon covered in sod" would be a snug sanctuary. I've seen a picture from Denmark of a ferro-cement boat used in the same way, resting on three foot walls.

    A (real) Finnish cabin I stayed in up in Michigan's U.P. (Drummond Island) was dug three and a half feet into the ground. Cooked and heated with a genuine wood-burning kitchen stove (the real one's are very expensive $3000-$10,000). It was snug in the worst weather, probably because below frost line. A genuine wood-burning kitchen stove is a heart warming thing. As long as its going, there's hope. Not only is it providing warmth but with the free heat you can bake bread and pastries or a roast. It was literally the beating heart of our ancestor's homes.

    https://www.woodlanddirect.com/Wood-Stove-and-Accessories/Cook-Stoves/Heartland-48-Classic-Dual-Fuel-Range-Stove-White

    Between dropping out of high school and going to college, one of the things I did was build a log cabin with an old, iron, wood-burning kitchen stove in it. I lived there in the woods with my dog for 8 months, February through September.

    The stove was okay for cooking and for heating my 20′ x 12′ cabin, but it got so hot in the summer that I stopped cooking and just ate whatever I could pack in a mile through the woods and 3 miles down the road to town — on foot, about once a week.

    The first month or two, I had to get up a couple of times every night to feed the damn fire, because the firebox on a cook stove is small. It’s for heating the burners and the oven, not the room. When there was snow outside, the warmest I could keep the cabin was 50 degrees. I hung a thermometer just so I could know.

    Kitchen stoves are wrong for heating. I would have been better off with a Franklin stove or some other type made just for heat. You can still cook in a pot on top of those types.

  220. @Joe Schmoe

    What’s more, Chetty’s earlier studies found that the black kids need to actually interact with the white and Asian kids, so community get-togethers will be pushed as well.
     
    Will not happen. Blacks do not want to go to the boring stuff white people like. It is like camping. They hate that stuff. It is hard to get Asians to hang out with whites. Do Asians want to play Little League baseball? No. How about church league basketball? No. Christian Asians go to their own churches, so you can be dang sure they aren't going to church with blacks. Whites are the only group that is willing to hang out with the "other". Chetty needs to get out more.

    Do Asians want to play Little League baseball? No.

    https://www.littleleague.org/world-series/2018/llbws/teams/west-region/
    The latest Little League Baseball World Series Champion from US, if you include various types of hapa, were almost constituted entirely with Asians/Pacific Islanders.

    Christian Asians go to their own churches, so you can be dang sure they aren’t going to church with blacks.

    They do mix at local Tridentine masses, so they have no problem hanging out with Latin speaking black Catholics.

    • LOL: Twinkie
  221. @Lurker
    It's weird that the left, given that they are supposedly all about being humanist, nurture over nature etc seem determined to leave actual human capital out of the equation altogether.

    “seem determined to leave actual human capital out of the equation altogether”

    That’s right. Liberal intellectuals like to cite the philosopher John Rawls as providing a moral foundation for justice in our society. Paul Krugman says in the 1/11/2011 NYT, “My vision of economic morality is more or less Rawlsian…”. Steven Pinker embraces Rawls view of blind justice in his book “The Blank Slate”.

    Here are some longish quotes that are worth reading because they show just where Krugman and his ilk are coming from. From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy;

    “Rawls’s negative thesis starts with the idea that citizens do not deserve to be born into a rich or a poor family, to be born naturally more or less gifted than others, to be born female or male, to be born a member of a particular racial group, and so on. Since these features of persons are morally arbitrary in this sense, citizens are not entitled to more of the benefits of social cooperation simply because of them. For example the fact that a citizen was born rich, white, and male provides no reason in itself for this citizen to be favored by social institutions.” (my bold)

    “This negative thesis does not say how social goods should be distributed; it merely clears the decks. Rawls’s positive distributive thesis is equality-based reciprocity. All social goods are to be distributed equally, unless an unequal distribution would be to everyone’s advantage. The guiding idea is that since citizens are fundamentally equal, reasoning about justice should begin from a presumption that cooperatively-produced goods should be equally divided. Justice then requires that any inequalities must benefit all citizens, and particularly must benefit those who will have the least. Equality sets the baseline; from there any inequalities must improve everyone’s situation, and especially the situation of the worst-off. These strong requirements of equality and reciprocal advantage are hallmarks of Rawls’s theory of justice.”

    So, for example, if we assume that natural endowments and the willingness to use them are evenly distributed across children born into different social classes, (my bold) then within any type of occupation (generally specified) we should find that roughly one quarter of people in that occupation were born into the top 25% of the income distribution, one quarter were born into the second-highest 25% of the income distribution, one quarter were born into the second-lowest 25%, and one-quarter were born into the lowest 25%. Since class of origin is a morally arbitrary fact about citizens, justice does not allow class of origin to turn into unequal opportunities for education or meaningful work.”

    “Rawlsian citizens are not only free and equal, they are also reasonable and rational. (my bold) The idea that citizens are reasonable is familiar from political liberalism. Reasonable citizens have the capacity to abide by fair terms of cooperation, even at the expense of their own interests, provided that others are also willing to do so. In justice as fairness, Rawls calls this reasonableness the capacity for a sense of justice. Citizens are also rational: they have the capacity to pursue and revise their own view of what is valuable in human life. Rawls calls this the capacity for a conception of the good. Together these capacities are called the two moral powers.

    However honorable their intent, with assumptions like these its no wonder that Krugman’s and Chetty’s schemes go haywire and we’re at loggerheads with them.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    hh
    , @Saxon
    That's if you assume in good faith that the Paul Krugman of the world actually believe that nonsense and that it isn't just pure racial animus.
    , @Carbon blob
    AFAICT people who have read Rawls tend to take him seriously. Never mind the fact history has amply demonstrated (1) the amount of coercive power required to establish his idea of a just society and (2) the numerous ways people will exploit it.
  222. @Joe Schmoe

    What’s more, Chetty’s earlier studies found that the black kids need to actually interact with the white and Asian kids, so community get-togethers will be pushed as well.
     
    Will not happen. Blacks do not want to go to the boring stuff white people like. It is like camping. They hate that stuff. It is hard to get Asians to hang out with whites. Do Asians want to play Little League baseball? No. How about church league basketball? No. Christian Asians go to their own churches, so you can be dang sure they aren't going to church with blacks. Whites are the only group that is willing to hang out with the "other". Chetty needs to get out more.

    White people stuff is often expensive, and welfare blacks don’t have the money for such activities. Crossfit? Golf? Tennis clubs? Minor league hockey or soccer games? All expensive.

    Don’t get me started on book clubs, chess clubs, ballroom dancing, soccer leagues, ballet, hiking, frisbee golf, horses. We’ve done all this stuff over the years and every race except black is represented. This may be an unfair generalization, but what I see is that blacks want to hang out. For free.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    There is nothing cheaper than chess. You can get a plastic and cardboard set at a garage sale for 25¢.

    You can bring your board to the park and play pick up games with passers by. For soccer, all you need is a ball and some space. You can use some old water filled coke bottles at goal markers. Then you can play pick up games in the park. The hispanics do this all the time.

    Blacks will play pick up basketball in the park and so will whites, but that is about it. At the local community center residents can access the gym for a year for $10. That is dang near free. But blacks won't come play badmitten and ping pong. Well, most won't. My son did play ping pong against a very famous former pro basketball player at the community center.
  223. @Buffalo Joe
    Sigh, good neighborhoods really means good neighbors. Truth is, there are people who can't raise children regardless of where you move them. However, what does grow well in "tragic dirt" is excuses.

    However, what does grow well in “tragic dirt” is excuses.

    Great line, Joe.

  224. @Jonathan Mason

    Isn’t their currently a licensing brouhaha in Nevada over a brothel that will only have sex-bots? I read that somewhere, just days ago. And, that the opposition is claiming that it is bad for men (I suppose they mean emotionally) to have sex with robots. Maybe someone can find that news
     
    There is a current story in The Guardian about opening a bot brothel in Houston, TX. that some locals have objected to for a variety of reasons--mostly it seems that they don't want other people using them.

    In the US pornography seems to be quite acceptable, but in nearly all states it is illegal to pay someone for sex unless it is for purposes of free speech constituting making pornography for profit.

    I don't really see what is wrong with paying people for sex, or offering them sex in exchange for their vote, for that matter, but in the US as soon as anything is legal, big business has to get involved, and I don't think most people want to see drive-in brothels with billboards advertising BOGOs at the Interstate on-ramps and sponsoring NPR radio.

    Start with bot brothels, and the next thing you know there will be bot booths at airports charging exorbitant prices for a stand-up quickie that will be billed on your credit card as a shoeshine. Offers will arrive in the mail with a free bot job ticket for anyone who installs ADT cameras in their home.

    Business schools will offer MBAs with a concentration on sex bot sales, or maybe they already do.

    … for purposes of free speech…

    A divorcée for whom I served as rebound guy told me about two of her fellow graphic designers who had sex in an art gallery — as one of the exhibits.

    Yep, they made love in one of the gallery rooms while art lovers walked in and looked. They were an installation.

    Free speech, man!

    • Replies: @Alden
    Did he need viagra or did they just fake it? National foundation for the art grant I assume?
  225. Researchers still don’t know. Baloney. They know. You just can’t pry the truth out of them if you gouge out their eyes and pull their intestines from their abdomens and stomp on them.

  226. @Achmed E. Newman
    Lord knows that my personality was, like, totally shaped by Animal House, as I'm sure it was for most of us.

    Above all else, we'll always have: "Listen, you fucked up; you trusted us."

    My personality was formed by Blue Velvet.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I remember Dennis Hopper and something about someone's ear. That's about all. Therefore, I don't know if it's a good or bad thing, what your wrote, Miss Kylie. ;-}
  227. @Autochthon
    No, it's actually A Thing: A lot of prostitutes won't have sex with Negroes because of Negroes' well known proclivity to violence and rape, as well as the astronomically higher incidence of sexually transmitted disease amongst Negroes. So these hookers will be persecuted for their efforts to protect themselves in an already dangerous trade (mind you, I don't endorse the trade in the first instance; perhaps the serendipitous outcome will be for more women to abandon hooking and get real jobs...).

    When I was a probation officer I had a few black hookers for forged check passing child beating theft, this and that, not prostitution.

    Like duh brothas duh sustahs were all motor mouths of course. And they all bragged that they’d never do an nword. It was also forbidden by their pimps.

  228. @Buzz Mohawk

    ... for purposes of free speech...
     
    A divorcée for whom I served as rebound guy told me about two of her fellow graphic designers who had sex in an art gallery -- as one of the exhibits.

    Yep, they made love in one of the gallery rooms while art lovers walked in and looked. They were an installation.

    Free speech, man!

    Did he need viagra or did they just fake it? National foundation for the art grant I assume?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    They did it no later than 1990, when I heard about it. Viagra didn't exist. Life was so much better then, nobody needed it. LOL

    I doubt there was a grant, since their "installation" didn't cost anything!

  229. It seems that one of the big problems with the whole Chetty project is that he has too much data to work with, but without any specific prior hypothesis to test.

    As a result, his team (or their computers rather) can just keep crunching numbers until they reverse-engineer a highly complex formula that supposedly describes the “magic dirt” coefficient.

    I think the statisticians call this “drawing bullseyes around bullet holes.” And it works every time. (At least until people realise your model has has no forward predictive power – at which point you get a new grant to figure out how technology or the economy has supposedly altered the reality that your model used to describe).

    Lies, damned lies, and all that . . .

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My analysis of his data came up with a lot of findings, but they tend to be of the type such as: "Move your family to a place that will be booming economically in 15 years."
    , @Carbon blob
    "I think the statisticians call this “drawing bullseyes around bullet holes.” And it works every time. (At least until people realise your model has has no forward predictive power – at which point you get a new grant to figure out how technology or the economy has supposedly altered the reality that your model used to describe)."

    Cf. green jelly bean hypothesis:

    https://www.xkcd.com/882/
  230. @Joe Schmoe
    Chickens eat Offal. Look it up, you won't be glad you did.

    and yes, it is pronounced 'awful'

    They also eat their own poop. All day long if they can get it. Lots of old farmers who grew up in the old days. when the chickens roamed around the chicken pens eating their own poop never ate chicken because of that.

    Another gross farm factoid. Often a beef and chicken operation are on one ranch. Silage is alfalfa and other stuff stored in a silo and sort of fermented a bit to feed the cattle.

    Chicken ranches layer the chicken poop with the alfalfa and feed the silage to the beef cattle in the feed lots to fatten them up for a few months before selling them to the packing plants. It’s the most high protein silage and produces excellent beef.

    Source my brother the farmer.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    well what is the animal waste but reprocessed grains and grasses? It's why it makes good fertilizer for the soil.

    If barnyard animals, in particular chickens, are copraphagic, it's just because they'll eat darn near anything. After all, there are bugs in just about everything. BTW, you don't have to observe any animal for too long to be totally grossed out by it. I've seen sheep drink each other's urine. Probably why I despise lamb.
  231. When you drive south out of southwest Wisconsin into Northwest Illinois, where it goes from dark blue to lighter blue to tan, you can physically see the difference. The towns and farms in Wisconsin are neat, clean and kept up. The towns and farms, especially the further you get into Illinois, are run down and you see more things like junk yards and seedy adult book stores, bars, and gambling places.

  232. @Tiny Duck
    GET EDUCATED

    https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/09/unburdening_the_white_man.html

    “We, fellow white men, have a choice. We can resist this change through futile measures, each incrementally more desperate and barbaric than the last. We can quarantine minorities into gerrymandered districts. We can put children in cages on our borders. We can put sexual assault survivors before inquisitions in the United States Senate.

    Or we can embrace change, make our peace, and share the table.

    The American Story hasn’t always been true, and might not ever have been true, but that doesn’t mean it has to be a lie.

    It can be a promise our forebearers made many generations ago, and a promise our generation gets to keep.”

    ESAD you POS. I’m so glad I was able to send so many of your bros to maximum terms in state prison.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The troll wins when we respond.
  233. @Hypnotoad666
    It seems that one of the big problems with the whole Chetty project is that he has too much data to work with, but without any specific prior hypothesis to test.

    As a result, his team (or their computers rather) can just keep crunching numbers until they reverse-engineer a highly complex formula that supposedly describes the "magic dirt" coefficient.

    I think the statisticians call this "drawing bullseyes around bullet holes." And it works every time. (At least until people realise your model has has no forward predictive power - at which point you get a new grant to figure out how technology or the economy has supposedly altered the reality that your model used to describe).

    Lies, damned lies, and all that . . .

    My analysis of his data came up with a lot of findings, but they tend to be of the type such as: “Move your family to a place that will be booming economically in 15 years.”

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    “Move your family to a place that will be booming economically in 15 years.”
     
    Well . . . that is good advice. Kind of like when your financial analyst tells you it's a good idea to try to "buy low and sell high."

    One hypothesis that would be interesting to test is whether it's a better value-added strategy to have your kids be the most disadvantaged students at a "good" school, or have them be relative stars at a "bad" school. Call it the "Fresh Prince of Bel Air Hypothesis."

    My personal preference is to be the "big fish" in a small pond, but that's just me probably.
  234. @Jonathan Mason

    Easy availability of really cheap, convenient, high calorie foods (e.g. Mc Donalds, KFC).
     
    Those places seem expensive to me, especially as the food is largely inedible and subject to sales tax in my state. However many employers do not provide meals any more, and busy employees who have to get up early and do not have time to make sandwiches and a drink have little choice but to patronize these places.

    When I was growing up in England, a roast chicken on a Sunday was a great treat and made a change from the usual boring lamb, though my brother-in-law raised both lamb and chickens.

    How things change. Factory farming techniques have made it much cheaper to eat chicken than it used to be. You can buy a fully roasted chicken from Walmart for $5 and have it for supper and make the next day's meal from a soup or casserole from the carcass. In England we would usually eat the leftover chicken cold the next day with salad, or thinly sliced in sandwiches, or for picnics on summer weekends.

    The downside is that now potatoes cost almost as much per pound as chicken.

    I also agree with what you say about the Coke. Apparently a 20 oz bottle of Coca Cola contains the equivalent of 20 teaspoons of sugar, whereas you can easily make 6 gallons of unsweet tea for $1.50 yourself and take it to work, or wherever you want to drink it. Tap water is also drinkable in most parts of the US, other than Flint, MI.

    There’s always kool aid with artificial sweetener. It can also be used to color the hair red pink purple lavender green blue orange yellow.

    Crystal light is a more expensive kool aid but just as good. Plant some mint in your yard and make mint tea.delicious

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Plant some mint in your yard and make mint tea.delicious
     
    I already have peppermint and spearmint growing in my yard, and sometimes I buy peppermint teabags to add to green tea, which makes a refreshing drink, except that sometimes the flavor can remind me of mouthwash.
  235. @ThreeCranes
    "seem determined to leave actual human capital out of the equation altogether"

    That's right. Liberal intellectuals like to cite the philosopher John Rawls as providing a moral foundation for justice in our society. Paul Krugman says in the 1/11/2011 NYT, "My vision of economic morality is more or less Rawlsian...". Steven Pinker embraces Rawls view of blind justice in his book "The Blank Slate".

    Here are some longish quotes that are worth reading because they show just where Krugman and his ilk are coming from. From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy;

    "Rawls's negative thesis starts with the idea that citizens do not deserve to be born into a rich or a poor family, to be born naturally more or less gifted than others, to be born female or male, to be born a member of a particular racial group, and so on. Since these features of persons are morally arbitrary in this sense, citizens are not entitled to more of the benefits of social cooperation simply because of them. For example the fact that a citizen was born rich, white, and male provides no reason in itself for this citizen to be favored by social institutions." (my bold)

    "This negative thesis does not say how social goods should be distributed; it merely clears the decks. Rawls's positive distributive thesis is equality-based reciprocity. All social goods are to be distributed equally, unless an unequal distribution would be to everyone's advantage. The guiding idea is that since citizens are fundamentally equal, reasoning about justice should begin from a presumption that cooperatively-produced goods should be equally divided. Justice then requires that any inequalities must benefit all citizens, and particularly must benefit those who will have the least. Equality sets the baseline; from there any inequalities must improve everyone's situation, and especially the situation of the worst-off. These strong requirements of equality and reciprocal advantage are hallmarks of Rawls's theory of justice."


    "So, for example, if we assume that natural endowments and the willingness to use them are evenly distributed across children born into different social classes, (my bold) then within any type of occupation (generally specified) we should find that roughly one quarter of people in that occupation were born into the top 25% of the income distribution, one quarter were born into the second-highest 25% of the income distribution, one quarter were born into the second-lowest 25%, and one-quarter were born into the lowest 25%. Since class of origin is a morally arbitrary fact about citizens, justice does not allow class of origin to turn into unequal opportunities for education or meaningful work."


    "Rawlsian citizens are not only free and equal, they are also reasonable and rational. (my bold) The idea that citizens are reasonable is familiar from political liberalism. Reasonable citizens have the capacity to abide by fair terms of cooperation, even at the expense of their own interests, provided that others are also willing to do so. In justice as fairness, Rawls calls this reasonableness the capacity for a sense of justice. Citizens are also rational: they have the capacity to pursue and revise their own view of what is valuable in human life. Rawls calls this the capacity for a conception of the good. Together these capacities are called the two moral powers.

    However honorable their intent, with assumptions like these its no wonder that Krugman's and Chetty's schemes go haywire and we're at loggerheads with them.

    hh

  236. Why does Vdare whine about the white working class in the upper Midwest that is voting heavily Democratic. Looked at PA not that poor of a state, Steve Sailer. Pa has lower poverty than fast growing Texas. Why does Trump bother with Pa which is voting 18 percent for Wolf, a Democratic. Texas had working class Mexicans in a district that voted for the Republicans. Personality, if the upper Midwest white working class votes for Dems like Minnesota, Wisconsin, PA, and Michigan according to the primaries and polls why do we have to excused them for voting for Democratic’s. Trump would be better off giving the jobs to Mississippi or Alabama instead of Michigan or PA.

  237. Bloomberg.com discovers the most magical dirt in the USA:

    Why Sioux Falls is Booming

    Their answer: a good mix of low taxes and deregulation, capable workers, and private philanthropy.

  238. @Alden
    Did he need viagra or did they just fake it? National foundation for the art grant I assume?

    They did it no later than 1990, when I heard about it. Viagra didn’t exist. Life was so much better then, nobody needed it. LOL

    I doubt there was a grant, since their “installation” didn’t cost anything!

  239. @Steve Sailer
    My analysis of his data came up with a lot of findings, but they tend to be of the type such as: "Move your family to a place that will be booming economically in 15 years."

    “Move your family to a place that will be booming economically in 15 years.”

    Well . . . that is good advice. Kind of like when your financial analyst tells you it’s a good idea to try to “buy low and sell high.”

    One hypothesis that would be interesting to test is whether it’s a better value-added strategy to have your kids be the most disadvantaged students at a “good” school, or have them be relative stars at a “bad” school. Call it the “Fresh Prince of Bel Air Hypothesis.”

    My personal preference is to be the “big fish” in a small pond, but that’s just me probably.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Right. There are a lot of reasonable, interesting hypotheses that Chetty could test. He works awfully hard, so he may actually get around to them in the long run.
  240. @Hypnotoad666

    “Move your family to a place that will be booming economically in 15 years.”
     
    Well . . . that is good advice. Kind of like when your financial analyst tells you it's a good idea to try to "buy low and sell high."

    One hypothesis that would be interesting to test is whether it's a better value-added strategy to have your kids be the most disadvantaged students at a "good" school, or have them be relative stars at a "bad" school. Call it the "Fresh Prince of Bel Air Hypothesis."

    My personal preference is to be the "big fish" in a small pond, but that's just me probably.

    Right. There are a lot of reasonable, interesting hypotheses that Chetty could test. He works awfully hard, so he may actually get around to them in the long run.

  241. @Alden
    ESAD you POS. I’m so glad I was able to send so many of your bros to maximum terms in state prison.

    The troll wins when we respond.

  242. “the more years children spend in a good neighborhood”

    And what EXACTLY makes a neighborhood “good”.

  243. @ThreeCranes
    "seem determined to leave actual human capital out of the equation altogether"

    That's right. Liberal intellectuals like to cite the philosopher John Rawls as providing a moral foundation for justice in our society. Paul Krugman says in the 1/11/2011 NYT, "My vision of economic morality is more or less Rawlsian...". Steven Pinker embraces Rawls view of blind justice in his book "The Blank Slate".

    Here are some longish quotes that are worth reading because they show just where Krugman and his ilk are coming from. From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy;

    "Rawls's negative thesis starts with the idea that citizens do not deserve to be born into a rich or a poor family, to be born naturally more or less gifted than others, to be born female or male, to be born a member of a particular racial group, and so on. Since these features of persons are morally arbitrary in this sense, citizens are not entitled to more of the benefits of social cooperation simply because of them. For example the fact that a citizen was born rich, white, and male provides no reason in itself for this citizen to be favored by social institutions." (my bold)

    "This negative thesis does not say how social goods should be distributed; it merely clears the decks. Rawls's positive distributive thesis is equality-based reciprocity. All social goods are to be distributed equally, unless an unequal distribution would be to everyone's advantage. The guiding idea is that since citizens are fundamentally equal, reasoning about justice should begin from a presumption that cooperatively-produced goods should be equally divided. Justice then requires that any inequalities must benefit all citizens, and particularly must benefit those who will have the least. Equality sets the baseline; from there any inequalities must improve everyone's situation, and especially the situation of the worst-off. These strong requirements of equality and reciprocal advantage are hallmarks of Rawls's theory of justice."


    "So, for example, if we assume that natural endowments and the willingness to use them are evenly distributed across children born into different social classes, (my bold) then within any type of occupation (generally specified) we should find that roughly one quarter of people in that occupation were born into the top 25% of the income distribution, one quarter were born into the second-highest 25% of the income distribution, one quarter were born into the second-lowest 25%, and one-quarter were born into the lowest 25%. Since class of origin is a morally arbitrary fact about citizens, justice does not allow class of origin to turn into unequal opportunities for education or meaningful work."


    "Rawlsian citizens are not only free and equal, they are also reasonable and rational. (my bold) The idea that citizens are reasonable is familiar from political liberalism. Reasonable citizens have the capacity to abide by fair terms of cooperation, even at the expense of their own interests, provided that others are also willing to do so. In justice as fairness, Rawls calls this reasonableness the capacity for a sense of justice. Citizens are also rational: they have the capacity to pursue and revise their own view of what is valuable in human life. Rawls calls this the capacity for a conception of the good. Together these capacities are called the two moral powers.

    However honorable their intent, with assumptions like these its no wonder that Krugman's and Chetty's schemes go haywire and we're at loggerheads with them.

    That’s if you assume in good faith that the Paul Krugman of the world actually believe that nonsense and that it isn’t just pure racial animus.

  244. @Anon
    Is Chetty calling for black people to be resettled in North Dakota?

    It’s already happening. Lot’s of African immigrants as well as people following the Amtrak line from south side of Chicago.

  245. @Jack D
    Right, we know that thousands of women die each year (and tens of thousands are injured) in vibrator accidents. Tragic.

    “Right, we know that thousands of women die each year (and tens of thousands are injured) in vibrator accidents.”

    Search for “an engineer told me before he died” – but don’t do it at work.

  246. @Hypnotoad666
    It seems that one of the big problems with the whole Chetty project is that he has too much data to work with, but without any specific prior hypothesis to test.

    As a result, his team (or their computers rather) can just keep crunching numbers until they reverse-engineer a highly complex formula that supposedly describes the "magic dirt" coefficient.

    I think the statisticians call this "drawing bullseyes around bullet holes." And it works every time. (At least until people realise your model has has no forward predictive power - at which point you get a new grant to figure out how technology or the economy has supposedly altered the reality that your model used to describe).

    Lies, damned lies, and all that . . .

    “I think the statisticians call this “drawing bullseyes around bullet holes.” And it works every time. (At least until people realise your model has has no forward predictive power – at which point you get a new grant to figure out how technology or the economy has supposedly altered the reality that your model used to describe).”

    Cf. green jelly bean hypothesis:

    https://www.xkcd.com/882/

  247. @ThreeCranes
    "seem determined to leave actual human capital out of the equation altogether"

    That's right. Liberal intellectuals like to cite the philosopher John Rawls as providing a moral foundation for justice in our society. Paul Krugman says in the 1/11/2011 NYT, "My vision of economic morality is more or less Rawlsian...". Steven Pinker embraces Rawls view of blind justice in his book "The Blank Slate".

    Here are some longish quotes that are worth reading because they show just where Krugman and his ilk are coming from. From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy;

    "Rawls's negative thesis starts with the idea that citizens do not deserve to be born into a rich or a poor family, to be born naturally more or less gifted than others, to be born female or male, to be born a member of a particular racial group, and so on. Since these features of persons are morally arbitrary in this sense, citizens are not entitled to more of the benefits of social cooperation simply because of them. For example the fact that a citizen was born rich, white, and male provides no reason in itself for this citizen to be favored by social institutions." (my bold)

    "This negative thesis does not say how social goods should be distributed; it merely clears the decks. Rawls's positive distributive thesis is equality-based reciprocity. All social goods are to be distributed equally, unless an unequal distribution would be to everyone's advantage. The guiding idea is that since citizens are fundamentally equal, reasoning about justice should begin from a presumption that cooperatively-produced goods should be equally divided. Justice then requires that any inequalities must benefit all citizens, and particularly must benefit those who will have the least. Equality sets the baseline; from there any inequalities must improve everyone's situation, and especially the situation of the worst-off. These strong requirements of equality and reciprocal advantage are hallmarks of Rawls's theory of justice."


    "So, for example, if we assume that natural endowments and the willingness to use them are evenly distributed across children born into different social classes, (my bold) then within any type of occupation (generally specified) we should find that roughly one quarter of people in that occupation were born into the top 25% of the income distribution, one quarter were born into the second-highest 25% of the income distribution, one quarter were born into the second-lowest 25%, and one-quarter were born into the lowest 25%. Since class of origin is a morally arbitrary fact about citizens, justice does not allow class of origin to turn into unequal opportunities for education or meaningful work."


    "Rawlsian citizens are not only free and equal, they are also reasonable and rational. (my bold) The idea that citizens are reasonable is familiar from political liberalism. Reasonable citizens have the capacity to abide by fair terms of cooperation, even at the expense of their own interests, provided that others are also willing to do so. In justice as fairness, Rawls calls this reasonableness the capacity for a sense of justice. Citizens are also rational: they have the capacity to pursue and revise their own view of what is valuable in human life. Rawls calls this the capacity for a conception of the good. Together these capacities are called the two moral powers.

    However honorable their intent, with assumptions like these its no wonder that Krugman's and Chetty's schemes go haywire and we're at loggerheads with them.

    AFAICT people who have read Rawls tend to take him seriously. Never mind the fact history has amply demonstrated (1) the amount of coercive power required to establish his idea of a just society and (2) the numerous ways people will exploit it.

  248. @Jack D
    Right, we know that thousands of women die each year (and tens of thousands are injured) in vibrator accidents. Tragic.

    What is essentially a 400lb Chuck E. Cheese robot, running a program written by an H1b from Mumbai, is more hazardous than a vibrator. Plus, there’s likely going to be two or three of these things running at the same time.

  249. The real purpose of Chetty’s work is to reduce the amount of resources and charity that go to poor whites and give ito POC instead.

  250. The real purpose of The Establishment’s/Chetty’s work is to come up with justifications to reduce the amount of resources and charity that go to poor whites and give it to POC instead.

    This is the key passage that explains where this is going:

    “For any government program or community grant that targets a specific place, this data proposes a better way to pick those places — one based not on neighborhood poverty levels, but on whether we expect children will escape poverty as adults.”

    On a somewhat related note, does anyone else here go on Free Republic to see what the boomer movement conservatives are up to? I notice this article is not posted there. Nothing to do with social science, demographics or statistics is ever posted there. Those people are such damn idiots. They have come around to agree with us on immigration to some extent, but are still total morons and ignoramuses. Instead of talking about important things, they post threads like this:

    Dual Wield pistols vs Single Pistol
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3693085/posts

    There seems to be a strong positive correlation between how cucky a boomer is and how much they talk about guns.

  251. @Alden
    There’s always kool aid with artificial sweetener. It can also be used to color the hair red pink purple lavender green blue orange yellow.

    Crystal light is a more expensive kool aid but just as good. Plant some mint in your yard and make mint tea.delicious

    Plant some mint in your yard and make mint tea.delicious

    I already have peppermint and spearmint growing in my yard, and sometimes I buy peppermint teabags to add to green tea, which makes a refreshing drink, except that sometimes the flavor can remind me of mouthwash.

  252. @stillCARealist
    White people stuff is often expensive, and welfare blacks don't have the money for such activities. Crossfit? Golf? Tennis clubs? Minor league hockey or soccer games? All expensive.

    Don't get me started on book clubs, chess clubs, ballroom dancing, soccer leagues, ballet, hiking, frisbee golf, horses. We've done all this stuff over the years and every race except black is represented. This may be an unfair generalization, but what I see is that blacks want to hang out. For free.

    There is nothing cheaper than chess. You can get a plastic and cardboard set at a garage sale for 25¢.

    You can bring your board to the park and play pick up games with passers by. For soccer, all you need is a ball and some space. You can use some old water filled coke bottles at goal markers. Then you can play pick up games in the park. The hispanics do this all the time.

    Blacks will play pick up basketball in the park and so will whites, but that is about it. At the local community center residents can access the gym for a year for $10. That is dang near free. But blacks won’t come play badmitten and ping pong. Well, most won’t. My son did play ping pong against a very famous former pro basketball player at the community center.

  253. @Twinkie

    It is hard to get Asians to hang out with whites.
     
    What? Are you serious? Asians have very high rates of intermarriage with whites and are the most likely to live in neighborhoods with people outside their own race.

    I live in Fort Bend county, the most Asian county in Texas. I personally know Chinese kids who have lived here their entire lives and have one facebook friend, my son, who is not Asian. Obviously, Asians in the USA are pretty high functioning and if there aren’t other Asians to associate with, they will do some stuff with whites. But if the school is 1/3 Asian, they pretty much hang out with one another. We have never had more than one Asian player on any of our Little League teams in 14 years of Little League baseball even though the area is over 30% Asian. Of course Hawaii is more Asian than that, so you can get a team that is half white. Plus the Asians in Hawaii are Japanese, who love baseball, or natives who are influenced by and married to the Japanese. So, there are reasons. I agree about the Catholics, and that may be due to the fact that the mass is the same regardless of where you are from. My observation is that when there are enough of their own, they hang out with their own. Chetty probably wants to deprive blacks of a community of their own so they can be influenced by the “other” higher functioning communities. In my experience, it doesn’t happen easily if at all.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    You ought to recognize the possibility that 1) your observation may be shallow/inaccurate and 2) may not, in any case, be representative of the phenomenon at large.

    Asians, in general, tend to intermarry, go to school with, and live next to whites at high rates - more so than any other ethnic group in the U.S. Two caveats are 1) those rates vary substantially from group to group (e.g. Indians intermarry at much lower rates than Koreans) and 2) as you noted, assimilation into whites tends to decline somewhat as their numbers increase. In the latter case, though, that may have to do with a specific subset - those who are foreign born or are more recent arrivals.
    , @Moses
    When I lived in the Bay Area there were many Asians in my social circle. A material subset of them were fond of organizing "Asian-only" outings. They never called them that, but it was nonverbally clear that it was an Asian only gathering. They never invited other racial groups.

    An Asian-American friend of mine exclusively posts about Asian concerns and minor crimes in her community perpetrated on Asians. She seems unconcerned about other groups. Ironic because she is married to a White man. Does it make her racist?

    It's totally natural for people to want to clump together with others of their own kind. It's the reason Cupertino has become majority Asian and Cupertino high school supermajority Asian. White families have been moving out of Cupertino in search of communities where there are more of their own White kind who are culturally similar (namely, their kids aren't all grinders and the mothers aren't all tiger moms -- btw, nothing wrong with grinding or tiger moms but not everyone's into it).

    I don't have any problem at all with racial groups clustering together and preferring like company. I do have a problem that it's ok for any racial group except Whites to do this. I also question if a multiracial, multiethnic society is sustainable where no racial group is a majority, or even material plurality. I don't think it is without an authoritarian gubment. Ask Lee Kwan Yew.
  254. @Kylie
    My personality was formed by Blue Velvet.

    I remember Dennis Hopper and something about someone’s ear. That’s about all. Therefore, I don’t know if it’s a good or bad thing, what your wrote, Miss Kylie. ;-}

  255. @Alden
    They also eat their own poop. All day long if they can get it. Lots of old farmers who grew up in the old days. when the chickens roamed around the chicken pens eating their own poop never ate chicken because of that.

    Another gross farm factoid. Often a beef and chicken operation are on one ranch. Silage is alfalfa and other stuff stored in a silo and sort of fermented a bit to feed the cattle.

    Chicken ranches layer the chicken poop with the alfalfa and feed the silage to the beef cattle in the feed lots to fatten them up for a few months before selling them to the packing plants. It’s the most high protein silage and produces excellent beef.

    Source my brother the farmer.

    well what is the animal waste but reprocessed grains and grasses? It’s why it makes good fertilizer for the soil.

    If barnyard animals, in particular chickens, are copraphagic, it’s just because they’ll eat darn near anything. After all, there are bugs in just about everything. BTW, you don’t have to observe any animal for too long to be totally grossed out by it. I’ve seen sheep drink each other’s urine. Probably why I despise lamb.

  256. @Joe Schmoe
    Chickens eat Offal. Look it up, you won't be glad you did.

    and yes, it is pronounced 'awful'

    It depends on the producer. Perdue, for example, advertises that their chickens eat an “all vegetarian diet”:

    https://www.perduefarms.com/news/blog/all-vegetarian-chicken-feed-blog/

    So if chickens eating offal bothers you, buy Perdue or organic chicken (organic standards also do not permit the use of animal by-products in the poultry diet) or some other brand that doesn’t feed offal to their birds.

    The main concern with offal from other species is that you will introduce new diseases into the animals which may then make the jump to humans. Some of the worst diseases (AIDs, flu, Ebola, Mad Cow Disease, etc.) are caused when viruses present in one species mutate and jump to a new species that has no immunity. So a vegetarian diet for species that we eat is safer (and the traditional food animals in the Western diet were never predators like dogs and cats).

  257. @Joe Schmoe
    I live in Fort Bend county, the most Asian county in Texas. I personally know Chinese kids who have lived here their entire lives and have one facebook friend, my son, who is not Asian. Obviously, Asians in the USA are pretty high functioning and if there aren't other Asians to associate with, they will do some stuff with whites. But if the school is 1/3 Asian, they pretty much hang out with one another. We have never had more than one Asian player on any of our Little League teams in 14 years of Little League baseball even though the area is over 30% Asian. Of course Hawaii is more Asian than that, so you can get a team that is half white. Plus the Asians in Hawaii are Japanese, who love baseball, or natives who are influenced by and married to the Japanese. So, there are reasons. I agree about the Catholics, and that may be due to the fact that the mass is the same regardless of where you are from. My observation is that when there are enough of their own, they hang out with their own. Chetty probably wants to deprive blacks of a community of their own so they can be influenced by the "other" higher functioning communities. In my experience, it doesn't happen easily if at all.

    You ought to recognize the possibility that 1) your observation may be shallow/inaccurate and 2) may not, in any case, be representative of the phenomenon at large.

    Asians, in general, tend to intermarry, go to school with, and live next to whites at high rates – more so than any other ethnic group in the U.S. Two caveats are 1) those rates vary substantially from group to group (e.g. Indians intermarry at much lower rates than Koreans) and 2) as you noted, assimilation into whites tends to decline somewhat as their numbers increase. In the latter case, though, that may have to do with a specific subset – those who are foreign born or are more recent arrivals.

  258. @Anonymous
    Are you sure you weren't eating mutton back then?

    Lamb is now the most expensive meat. Followed by beef, pork and chicken, in that order.

    Surely veal and the best cuts of beef, like filet mignon, still cost more than lamb?

  259. @Joe Schmoe
    I live in Fort Bend county, the most Asian county in Texas. I personally know Chinese kids who have lived here their entire lives and have one facebook friend, my son, who is not Asian. Obviously, Asians in the USA are pretty high functioning and if there aren't other Asians to associate with, they will do some stuff with whites. But if the school is 1/3 Asian, they pretty much hang out with one another. We have never had more than one Asian player on any of our Little League teams in 14 years of Little League baseball even though the area is over 30% Asian. Of course Hawaii is more Asian than that, so you can get a team that is half white. Plus the Asians in Hawaii are Japanese, who love baseball, or natives who are influenced by and married to the Japanese. So, there are reasons. I agree about the Catholics, and that may be due to the fact that the mass is the same regardless of where you are from. My observation is that when there are enough of their own, they hang out with their own. Chetty probably wants to deprive blacks of a community of their own so they can be influenced by the "other" higher functioning communities. In my experience, it doesn't happen easily if at all.

    When I lived in the Bay Area there were many Asians in my social circle. A material subset of them were fond of organizing “Asian-only” outings. They never called them that, but it was nonverbally clear that it was an Asian only gathering. They never invited other racial groups.

    An Asian-American friend of mine exclusively posts about Asian concerns and minor crimes in her community perpetrated on Asians. She seems unconcerned about other groups. Ironic because she is married to a White man. Does it make her racist?

    It’s totally natural for people to want to clump together with others of their own kind. It’s the reason Cupertino has become majority Asian and Cupertino high school supermajority Asian. White families have been moving out of Cupertino in search of communities where there are more of their own White kind who are culturally similar (namely, their kids aren’t all grinders and the mothers aren’t all tiger moms — btw, nothing wrong with grinding or tiger moms but not everyone’s into it).

    I don’t have any problem at all with racial groups clustering together and preferring like company. I do have a problem that it’s ok for any racial group except Whites to do this. I also question if a multiracial, multiethnic society is sustainable where no racial group is a majority, or even material plurality. I don’t think it is without an authoritarian gubment. Ask Lee Kwan Yew.

  260. @Jack D
    I doubt this is true because so much of our obesity epidemic has occurred in the last 50 years, long after the era of the woodstove in America.

    If I had to guess, these are the main causes:

    1. Push by gov for "lowfat" foods which are high in sugar and don't fill you up.

    2. Weird processed foods like transfat and high fructose corn syrup that your body was not designed to process.

    3. Food stamps

    4. Easy availability of really cheap, convenient, high calorie foods (e.g. Mc Donalds, KFC). Once upon a time something like fried chicken was a special treat that you might have a few times a year at picnics or other special occasions, but now you can have it every day! And a Super Size Coke. Coke bottles used to be 6 oz. back in the day.

    5. Sedentary life style - instead of picking cotton, Mammy has a desk job at the DMV but still eats like she is picking cotton all day.

    Not only were soda sizes much smaller, but at least they used real sugar in the old days. Now it’s high fructose corn syrup, which is very much more destructive.

  261. The people make the country, not the dirt.

  262. @Lagertha
    see my comment #106. Billboards advertising sex toy shops and "gentleman's clubs," with very explicit shots of cleavage and butt cheek are already on the highways of our state (I used to try to get my sons to look at something on the other side of the highway when I spotted the sign). I think bots are gonna win (Canada already has bot brothels) and it makes sense: no humans to sue you, destroy your career (later for whatever reason), extort money later, give you a disease, or talk!, hahaaa. I really don't care if men go to human hookers or robot hookers....or women pay for gigolos (seems like an antiquated term, now, with the #metoo craze). In fact, robots are the perfect antidote to avoiding being me-tood.

    I get your point. However, when I drove through Idaho & Nevada, they already advertise their brothels. I think robots would satisfy a lot of urges of crazy sex-starved men (and women: male bots: dildos with a hunky body that can embrace) or Muslim men who are not allowed to date - must be married to have sex/must marry a virgin.

    You are also correct about anything becoming a business, but wrong about the timing: window shopping for hookers has been legal in Amsterdam for decades - not much of a difference if they are human or robots. Plus, robots are perfect because they are not human. People generally like security, discretion and ease...all things that do reflect what a new business tries to create

    I think the blow-up sex dolls (when they became popular) are creepy, but in Japan, they and bots are a thing. People are weird. The hilarious part of this Houston development is: another low paying job that machines can do better.

    you and I are old…we are over.

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