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Hot New Apps Make Real Estate Racial Profiling Even Easier

From the New York Times:

REAL ESTATE

The Data-Driven Home Search
Using Data to Find a New York Suburb That Fits
By LISA PREVOST JULY 18, 2014

… Other real estate websites are supplying home buyers with loads of hyper-specific community data, including racial makeup, percent of married households and education level. Because these sites, if not actually brokerages, are linked to home sales, they have attracted the attention of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, which is charged with enforcing fair housing laws.

Ms. Bernstein said her service abides by the same ethical guidelines as any real estate agency would, but her staff can be more objective. They aren’t necessarily licensed agents because, she said, “having a license really conflicts with what we’re trying to do.” …

Real estate websites — the largest being Zillow and Trulia — also are elevating the importance of “location, location, location” to new heights by offering data that allows home buyers to scrutinize communities or neighborhoods in any way they like.

Want to find a “family-friendly” community within 20 miles of Boston with a high Asian population, a low poverty rate and a median home value of $400,000? On NeighborhoodScout.com, you can plug in these preferences (and many more) on the subscription-only “Advanced Search” page and get a ranked list of options. …

What if you’re curious about a neighborhood’s crime rate? On Trulia.com, you can pull up a heat map that shows the level of crime risk down to the street level. …

This trend raises some thorny questions. The growing accessibility of highly detailed demographic data plays into the natural tendency of home buyers to look for “people like us,” which is as old as the subdivided hills. Indeed, some suburban communities were created in the late 19th and early 20th centuries specifically with this in mind, some with discriminatory policies written into leases and deeds.

But Bill Bishop, a Texas journalist and the author of “The Big Sort: Why the Clustering of Like-Minded America Is Tearing Us Apart” (Houghton Mifflin, 2008), argues that this tribalism is a major driver of the country’s deepening political polarization. Over the last 30 years, he says, greater mobility, laws enforcing racial equity and prosperity have given Americans even more choice about where to live. Will Internet-enhanced abilities to scout out communities intensify that sorting effect?

And what about the impact on segregation? The National Association of Realtors’ code of ethics prohibits Realtors and associates involved in a sale from volunteering information regarding the racial, religious or ethnic composition of any neighborhood, lest they run afoul of the Fair Housing Act, which prohibits the steering of clients to or away from neighborhoods out of bias. But many nonbrokerage real estate websites that act as referral generators for agents readily offer such information.

It’s almost as if there is a general pattern that the hot tech businesses of this decade are remarkably concentrated in finding cool ways to ignore anti-discrimination laws.

“I’ve heard some concerns from Realtors — ‘is that a violation of the Fair Housing Act?’ ” said Fred Underwood, the N.A.R.’s director of diversity and community outreach programs. He said he did not feel qualified to say one way or the other, but given that the housing act was passed in response to racial segregation and discrimination, Mr. Underwood said it was at least worth questioning the purpose of providing such information.

The sites are simply making it easier for home buyers to access data that is already available, much of it through the Census Bureau, says Peter Goldey, the chief information officer and chief knowledge officer for Onboard Informatics, a provider of local content data and lifestyle search products for real estate sites. “We think the consumer has a right to information as long as the information is factual,” he said.

HUD may yet weigh in on the question. The department declined to make someone available for an interview, but in a prepared statement, Gustavo F. Velasquez, the assistant secretary for fair housing and equal opportunity, said: “We are aware of the issue and are reviewing it. It would be premature for us to comment while the review is underway.”

“The problem comes when real estate professionals have product to move in a location that has issues or is not attractive to people because the schools aren’t good, the crime rate is high, or the appreciation rates aren’t moving in the right direction,” Mr. Schiller said. “That’s one of the potential conflicts with the real estate industry.”

He compares his service to a sort of Consumer Reports for communities. (The site doesn’t sell houses, but refers home buyers to agents, who then pay NeighborhoodScout.com a fee if they sell a home.) Subscribers may choose from more than 360 search criteria, using as many or as few as they like. The most detailed category is demographics, which offers choices of population size, family type, education levels and income, and also asks for preferences as to the level of diversity, the percentage of foreign-born residents, languages spoken and specific ethnicities.

If some home buyers use that information to eliminate communities with certain racial or ethnic types — a use Mr. Schiller said he would find “despicable” — so, too, might they use it to find places they hadn’t considered.

Mr. Schiller is shocked, shocked to hear that racial profiling is going on on his website.

“Accurate data can help to break stereotypes,” he said. “It can lift up places, localities that have been bypassed.”

Visitors to Homefacts.com

Obviously, a subsidiary of Hatefacts.com …

, which is owned by RealtyTrac, can type in a specific address, and pull up not just the property details, but also a wealth of community data. In addition to pinpointing nearby sex offenders (whose photos are provided) or indicating areas at high risk for tornadoes and earthquakes, the site provides demographic facts such as dominant religions, political affiliations and races.

Property listings are advertised elsewhere on the site. But Jamie Moyle, the president and chief executive of RealtyTrac, said Homefacts.com is less about listings than about telling every property’s “story.” And when it comes to data, “we put up anything that we think consumers are going to be interested in,” Mr. Moyle said. “If it’s part of the home-buying process, than it’s part of home values. We don’t have an agenda with the data. The data is our agenda.”

In a report last year for brokerages called “Why online consumers love Zillow and Trulia more than you,” Todd Carpenter, then an industry technology consultant and now N.A.R.’s managing director of data analytics, noted that nonbrokerage portals are well aware of the freedoms they enjoy by not being real estate agents. And one of those is “being free of fair housing rules,” he wrote. Trulia’s crime heat maps, for example, might be a problem for a broker navigating fair housing laws, but as third parties, “Zillow and Trulia have more freedom to answer these questions.”

Some full-fledged brokerage sites, like Movoto.com, are pushing the online envelope by putting ZIP code data on race, languages and foreign-born households directly on their sites. But most brokerage sites provide only links to outside sources of information (if at all) for areas that might fall under fair housing rules. This is an acceptable practice under the N.A.R.’s code of ethics, Mr. Underwood said.

Redfin, for example, links to a third-party provider, Onboard Informatics, for demographics, although the Redfin link does not include information about race and religion. Bridget Frey, the company’s vice president of Seattle engineering, said Redfin is more focused on developing proprietary features that give buyers an edge, such as the “Hot Homes” alert of listings most likely to quickly go under contract.

Mr. Goldey of Onboard maintains that real estate websites should be free to post all kinds of demographic data, regardless of whether they are selling directly to buyers, as long as they stick to the facts. The Fair Housing Act, he says, “is only supposed to keep what are potentially nonfactual observations or perspectives by a single person like a real estate agent from influencing a person like a home buyer.”

I think you’ve got that about 180 degrees backwards, Mr. Onboard.

Legal questions aside, the growing accessibility of so much demographic data has the potential to fuel the segregation that is already increasing along a number of lines — economically, racially, ideologically. Mr. Bishop, the author of “The Big Sort,” argues that as other forms of community have gone away or weakened, Americans are increasingly reordering themselves around shared values and areas of interest. “Given a choice,” he said, “people choose to segregate themselves into these places where they can surround themselves with people like themselves.”

This self-segregating boosts people’s sense of well-being by satisfying the need to belong, says Mr. Motyl, who studies ideological migration. But the resulting decrease in contact with anyone who thinks differently serves to heighten partisanship. “It allows us to become more extreme in our own ideas,” Mr. Motyl said, “and is one explanation for why our system has become so gridlocked.”

…NeighborhoodScout is focusing on trying to foretell the future, such as whether gentrification is on the horizon.

This seems like a business — using data to predict gentrification — that has been underinvested in. My wife and I went with a Graham-Buffett “Value Investing” approach to forecasting gentrification in Chicago in 1988, buying a well-made 1923 condo near the beaches, on the grounds that the main very long run feature distinguishing one neighborhood from another in Chicago is proximity to Lake Michigan (and all the amenities that come with it).

But, that wasn’t a fashionable view in Chicago up through 1997, so if we had wanted to sell during our first eight years, we would have barely gotten what we paid for the place. The people who did better in 1988-1997 were the Momentum Investors, the proto-hipsters who flocked together to the the dumpy inland neighborhood of Bucktown (Liz Phair’s “Guyville”). Because my wife and I are pretty contrarian by personality, we missed out on that. As Keynes remarked, markets can sometimes stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

But then our neighborhood suddenly became fashionable in 1998 (hey, it’s the lakefront), just like back in 1988 we had assumed it eventually would, and we wound up doing fine.

Anyway, it seems like some sabermetrician-types should stop playing around with baseball statistics and start churning massive amounts of data to figure out underlying patterns, if any, in gentrification.

 
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  1. Jefferson
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    I am sure the Los Angeles zip code where Mr. Sailer lives in is Whiter than average for such a vibrantly diverse city.

    I doubt the racial demographics of the zip code where he lives resembles the part of Los Angeles that you see in films like “End Of Watch” and “Training Day”.

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  2. The Z Blog
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    I know someone in real estate. They inform me that their business has a sophisticated jargon for signalling these things. In this jurisdiction, the state uses secret shoppers to catch agents playing the kins game so they have come up with a bunch of code words.

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  3. countenance
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    There are three fundamental canards in this article that I do not believe:

    1. That real estate professionals once engaged in race-based steering

    2. That political partisanship and polarization today is any worse than it has been in the lifetimes of most people reading these words (“political polarization” is basically left wing duckspeak for “Republicans win enough elections to inconvenience Democrats”)

    3. That our self-separation and self-segregation on race, sociology, and other factors is worse today than it has been in the relatively recent past, and it’s that way because apps tell us where to live.

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  4. Chicago
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    Uptown is the only north side Chicago neighborhood where property values are kept so low by crime/”diversity”/SRO’s that appreciation on a real estate investment would be, in the event of gentrification, possible. My husband and I have been on the verge of buying a home in Uptown for months.

    It would probably be a good investment, given the meteoric trajectory of the north side generally.

    But the battle between developers and community activists does not seem like it will end soon. The community activists have convinced everyone that gentrification is evil, and that converting the horrific SRO’s into market-rate housing would be exporting Uptown’s amazing diversity. Thus Uptown remains harrowing and affordable. ( http://crimeinboystown.blogspot.com/2014/07/videos-montrose-mayhem.html)

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  5. bobby
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    “It’s almost as if there is a general pattern that the hot tech businesses of this decade are remarkably concentrated in finding cool ways to ignore anti-discrimination laws.”

    What other tech businesses are you talking about?

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  6. syon
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    COUNTENANCE:”There are three fundamental canards in this article that I do not believe:

    1. That real estate professionals once engaged in race-based steering”

    This is a well-documented fact. The corollary to “location, location, location” is “demographics, demographics, demographics.”

    countenance:”2. That political partisanship and polarization today is any worse than it has been in the lifetimes of most people reading these words (“political polarization” is basically left wing duckspeak for “Republicans win enough elections to inconvenience Democrats”)”

    Depends on what the median age is for “most people reading these words.” One of the more significant events of the last 40 years is the ideological purge that both Democrats and Republicans have undergone. In the 1950s, there were large numbers of liberal republicans (cf Nelson Rockefeller) and conservative Democrats (the old Sold South). Hence, neither party was as ideologically “pure” as they are today. And ideological purity tends to cause polarization.

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  7. Whiskey
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    There are a number of unspoken facts in the article that Steve links to and the post itself.

    First, mass Immavasion means massive demographic churn. For example Blacks have been effectively ethnically cleansed out of Compton and Watts and ongoing in South Central, and also Long Beach. This has meant, according the LAT, a year on year increase of 14% for Blacks in Orange County, as they are pushed southwards. I can attest to this, and the Black folks I see in the street and in the supermarkets are not say, the Cosby Family types: upscale urban professionals or the retired pro Athletes you see in Anaheim Hills.

    Second, Black people having achieved political domination in urban areas and having seized the White House, want a payoff understandably of being moved to a nice place. Maybe your neighborhood, or mine? Eric Holder’s plan to Section 8 most of White America is part of this process.

    Third, credit is now hard to come by for most homebuyers, and schools absent massive online home schooling yet to break, matter a lot for homebuyers with kids or who might reasonably have kids in the near future. This makes getting as much information as possible useful. At the same time, Black and Hispanic political lobbies want as little as possible. I would not be shocked to see Eric Holder’s Justice Dept. prosecute most of these online firms. What, they’ll not give money to Obama’s Third Term Re-election Drive? Come on, its in the bag, either Oprah or Cory Booker or Valerie Jarrett or someone like that will succeed Obama. His formula: magical Black guy + massive non-White votes + trendy Whites = electoral victory and is unbeatable.

    Fourth, the real action is renting. Credit is likely to be very difficult to get from now on, inflation is likely to be high, the government is likely to crack down on information that is accurate and informative on neighborhoods, due to racial lobbies and the massive power they have in votes. Add in cramped incomes, no real living standard rises as real income stagnates under global labor competition, and the easy solution to the information/income problem is renting.

    Now, I don’t know what a society that has its most productive citizens (Whites) constantly churning and moving every other year or so, to escape ever greater demographic churn from the Immavasion and Section 8 palooza, but it will not look like Germany where most rent, but stay in place for decades.

    It is worth noting that one of the main cultural features of the Scots-Irish is constant moving and little investment in house and land, as they may be forced off it any time and thus invest almost nothing in it, rather in personal martial accomplishment and weapons.

    Well, it’s real good nothing bad could come of making nearly ALL of White people into the “Borderers” or Scots-Irish of David Hackett Fischer’s “Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America.”

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  8. Nathan M
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    Eventually America’s government will simply refuse to release racial demographic information to the general public.

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  9. Jefferson
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    “In the 1950s, there were large numbers of liberal republicans (cf Nelson Rockefeller) and conservative Democrats (the old Sold South). Hence, neither party was as ideologically “pure” as they are today. And ideological purity tends to cause polarization.”

    There are still liberal RINO Republicans in the GOP today , but literally no conservatives left in the Democratic Party.

    All Democratic congressmen and senators in Washington currently have either an F or a D on immigration according to the website NumbersUSA.

    The Democratic Party’s view on open borders and amnesty is very monolithic. This is one of the major issues where they are all united on when it comes to favoring it.

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  10. countenance
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    There are still lots of liberal Republicans, and in fact they pretty much run the Stupid Party. There are no longer any real non-leftist Democrats. What politics are these days is the collection of the fringe on the blue team while normal people vote for a red team controlled by people who don’t really want to do anything for them and are chasing after the blue team’s fringe base.

    As far as steering, I highly doubt that there was ever any deliberate steering on the part of real estate professional as there was home buyers making it clear where they wanted to live, or better yet, who they did NOT want to live around. “Steering” is just a hobby horse that the left and blacks ride to try to excuse black failure.

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  11. Jefferson
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    I bet the cost of a home that is located on any Martin Luther King Jr. street must be extremely dirt cheap to purchase because not many Nonblacks would want to buy a home in that type of neighborhood.

    The legacy of Martin Luther King is that if you attach his name to any residential neighborhood it will automatically lower the property value there, lol.

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  12. anon
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    “I know someone in real estate. They inform me that their business has a sophisticated jargon for signalling these things. In this jurisdiction, the state uses secret shoppers to catch agents playing the kins game so they have come up with a bunch of code words.”

    The secret shoppers, or testers as they’re more commonly known, are used by the federal HUD whenever they get claims of housing discrimination they deem credible.

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  13. coolhandle
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    But is it waycist if blacks or mexicans use demographic information to buy a house in a white neighborhood? Or is that good because Diversity (i.e., it reduces the percentage of those repugnant, despicable, worthless white people)?

    At the same time I’d imagine that if a black or mexican person specifically sought out a Vibrant neighborhood, that would be a beautiful and exquisitely wonderful use of demographics information because pride.

    But whites wanting to live near other whites? Yoqueefa sez: Nuh-uh-uh, no you dint! You waaayyayaycisisiisisit ass cracka!!!!!!

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  14. Ted
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    Every human body decays and dies…some people are just more particular where and with whom they do it.

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  15. Create
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    As a broker who has worked the very market area discussed (Westchester), this is in my experience often used a thinly veiled tool for persons of a certain race to avoid living near those they consider less desirable.

    Whether the operators of the enterprise intended that is secondary- all too often, real estate professionals have to remind consumers that we are the van guards of fair housing, and we cannot steer buyers or renters based on “their kind.”

    I have these discussion daily, and the subtext of the questions about communities all politely hover around the perimeter of urban professionals wanting homogeneous, white (“safe,” etc.), suburbs with certain social benchmarks that have nothing to do with actual housing.

    Housing laws have changed since the 60s and 70s, but clearly access to this data and how it is used by some consumers proves that human nature has not.

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  16. Ted
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    I wish there was a law that said an area could not be majority white. The only way for racism to end is for we white people to have a little less institutional power.

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  17. syon
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    jefferson:”All Democratic congressmen and senators in Washington currently have either an F or a D on immigration according to the website NumbersUSA.

    The Democratic Party’s view on open borders and amnesty is very monolithic. This is one of the major issues where they are all united on when it comes to favoring it.”

    Republican elites are hand in glove with the Democrats on immigration; the only thing balking the Republican elites on the immigration question is the fear of a revolt by the rank-and-file.

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  18. George
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    “hot tech businesses of this decade are remarkably concentrated in finding cool ways to ignore anti-discrimination laws.”

    Actually what they are doing is cutting out the middle man, which is a very old business idea. Why deal with a Realtor when you can go directly to the data, presented in a user friendly format due to the miracle of computing. Of course the data might be BS but who cares really.

    FWIW I doubt realtors were ever needed to explain where the black neighborhood was, where ChinaTown was, ect. Kind of a liberal progressive fantasy that homebuyers didn’t know what was going on without a government regulated realtor to explain it.

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  19. syon
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    countenance:”As far as steering, I highly doubt that there was ever any deliberate steering on the part of real estate professional as there was home buyers making it clear where they wanted to live, or better yet, who they did NOT want to live around. “Steering” is just a hobby horse that the left and blacks ride to try to excuse black failure.”

    Steering works in tandem with the desires of the clients. Real Estate brokers know better than to show a White couple a house in a Black neighborhood.

    As for Black clients, back in the day they would only show them around White neighborhoods if they were in the mood for a little blockbusting.

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  20. Jefferson
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    You know you are in a NAM neighborhood when you see more cash checking stores than you do banks. You know you are in a NAM neighborhood when you see more taco trucks than you do coffee shops.
    You know you are in a NAM neighborhood when the entrance of every liquor store you see is surrounded by a crowd of thuggish looking Black men.
    You know you are in a NAM neighborhood when the only White faces you see are that of law enforcement patrolling the area.
    You know you are in a NAM neighborhood when you hear more people speaking Spanish than English.
    You know you are in a NAM neighborhood when you see people playing basketball at 2am in the morning.
    You know you are in a NAM neighborhood if the 1 token White civilian face you see there is a White female Wigger with her Mulato child.

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  21. Jefferson
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    “Republican elites are hand in glove with the Democrats on immigration; the only thing balking the Republican elites on the immigration question is the fear of a revolt by the rank-and-file.”

    Plenty of Republicans in Washington have a grade of A or B according to NumbersUSA, while zero Democrats do.

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  22. polynikes
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    Think any of these sabetmetrics guys went into sports because their statistical approach to observing things was getting them into trouble in the “real world” with the diversity crowd?

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  23. Steve Sailer
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    Yes, baseball stats are a pretty safe playpen for white guys who enjoy pattern recognition.

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  24. Wilkey
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    “I wish there was a law that said an area could not be majority white.”

    By all means, I believe the government should pass a law requiring NAMs to be evenly distributed across the country, right down to the neighborhood level. Shatanquay, age 61, and her 27 great-granchildren should be living right next to Bill & Hillary in Westchester.

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    Jefferson:”Plenty of Republicans in Washington have a grade of A or B according to NumbersUSA, while zero Democrats do.”

    Then why don’t the Republicans make zero/low immigration their major Party priority? Why didn’t Bush 2 use the fervour generated by 9/11 to secure America’s borders? Why didn’t the Party leaders use 9/11 to ram through mandatory E-Verify for all employers, etc, etc. That was the perfect moment for decisive action.

    They did not do those things because the people who run the Republican Party believe in mass immigration.

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  26. Jefferson
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    “Then why don’t the Republicans make zero/low immigration their major Party priority?”

    Why is the Obama administration complaining that the GOP do not want to help them pass “immigration reform” a.k.a open borders and amnesty ?

    All I hear is whining coming from Obama and his party that they are not getting their way when it comes to this issue.

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  27. New apps make real estate racial profiling easier | Reaction Times
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    […] Source: Steve Sailer […]

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  28. syon
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    jefferson:”Why is the Obama administration complaining that the GOP do not want to help them pass “immigration reform” a.k.a open borders and amnesty ?”

    Kabuki. The Obama Administration and the Republican elites know that inaction means de facto amnesty and open borders. But this allows each side to play to the rubes. Meanwhile, the flood of cheap labor keeps on coming.

    jefferson:”All I hear is whining coming from Obama and his party that they are not getting their way when it comes to this issue.”

    Whining all the way to the bank.

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  29. From a ‘gay marriage’-pushing Hillary Clinton-loving neocon Zionist and his cabal of friends.

    http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/cnn-reporter-deletes-tweet-after-calling-nearby-israelis-scum/2014/07/18/

    [MORE]

    “CNN should remove this scum from reporting the conflict. She obviously has bias.”

    “CNN would have to remove half of their staff…”

    “Bitch. (Delete that if you want Michael.)”

    “Nope, I’ll tweet it #bitch”

    “Name calling during a conflict? I think she needs some retraining, either in a different field, or starting with the mail room.”

    “People always watch war. It goes back thousands of years. Unless she is bothered by the Arab crowds praying that missiles find a human target, she is a hypocrite.”

    “What’s with the threat to destroy their car?”

    “Reporters report. Analysts analyze reports. Sympathizers not only do not belong in a reporting position, they aggravate the situation. They become the news instead or reporting it. We don’t need more confusion on the front line; it’s exactly what we are trying to avoid in acquiring reports.”

    “Well if Murdoch eventually succeeds in his quest for TWC and spins off CNN perhaps she will become a pariah in the industry. She belongs working at the laundromat with the rest of the gum chewing hair curler wearing ignorant people hang out.”

    “CNN is biased…….”

    “She has to go!”

    “the people of sderot have been under rocket attack for a decade and scum like this don’t think it is newsworthy. So they engage in a little schadenfreude. I’m willing to bet she didn’t tweet the same about all the people In gaza praying a rocket finds its target, everything one is fired.”

    “She has been sent to Moscow. Any bets on whether she’ll tweet the same about the Russian supported terrorists who killed almost 300 civilians this week?”

    “I understand what you’re talking about. I just was wondering about the other part. It sounds like someone personally threatened her. Still, can’t blame the whole of Sderot for what one person said. Whatever, not important. I can’t believe what Jon Stewart said, not to change the subject. His attempt at humor skewed the facts totally the wrong way. Another media asshole, but Jewish.”

    “My understanding is Stewart isn’t very Jewish off camera. Just because he was born Jewish doesn’t mean he supports Jewish causes. And these reporters hate Israel. They are basic leftists who identify with the Palestinians and use their jobs to influence people.”

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  30. NEVER!

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/20/Luis-Gutierrez-Obama-s-DACA-Program-Down-Payment-Before-Millions-More-Get-Amnesty

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  31. Jefferson
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    “Why didn’t Bush 2 use the fervour generated by 9/11 to secure America’s borders? Why didn’t the Party leaders use 9/11 to ram through mandatory E-Verify for all employers, etc, etc. That was the perfect moment for decisive action.”

    George Dubya is a RINO. He would have never gotten a high letter grade on immigration if he were to be evaluated by NumbersUSA.

    The Bush family are no longer the darlings of the right. Most registered Republican voters I have met do not even want George’s brother Jeb to run for president.

    I have met Republican voters who told me they regretted voting for George Dubya.

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  32. Steve Sailer
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    Test

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  33. In a gentrifying neighborhood does the residential housing stock lead the commercial, e.g. do hipsters move in before brew pubs? Will a neighborhood that has turned the corner still have vestiges of the old, e.g. check cashing stores? What about the relationship between residential rental units and owner-occupied homes? Does the immediate area around important public transit ever gentrify?

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  34. Ha ha! Now I’m requiring an email address again!

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  35. Right you are. I know firsthand, having been a real estate agent and broker
    for ten years in Chicago.

    Few if any of my clients sought my advice on where they might wish to live,
    or what this or that neighborhood was like.

    They did their homework themselves, and before retaining my services.

    And all this was at a time that sites like Zillow and Trulia were just getting
    up and running, and offered little or nothing in the way of demographic
    data.

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    An app that could determine the risk of a neighborhood being “Section-8-ed” would be nice.

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  37. ^This. Or they’ll play games with the data like pretending that all Hispanics are white.

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  38. Steve
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    If you’re thinking of moving, here are two maps to check out:

    1. The Washington Post’s map of the country, with zip codes ranked according to Charles Murray’s socioeconomic indicators.

    2. A granular racial map of every neighborhood in the country.

    The level of detail in these things is unbelievable. There’s no way that this type of data won’t lead to further separation and polarization.

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  39. Cookies
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    You don’t need an app to find out the real deal. Look it up in Wikipedia. Any Wiki page will prove this.

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  40. poolside
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    In my suburban neighborhood, which has become majority Asian/Indian in the last 20 years, white Realtors have pretty much been phased out.

    The Chinese realty companies don’t even use the local Realtors’ website for property listings (I’m sure they have their own). Makes it easier to keep the houses available for the right kinds of buyers.

    These folks are all looking for a house in the feeder pattern for the best high school in the district. There is no question they are being “steered” here; the demographic tsunami of the past two decades didn’t happen by accident.

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    Jefferson and Syon

    Take a few moments to think about the bar none best politicians or recent politicians on the immigration issue that are holding some public office right now.

    Jeff Sessions, Lou Barletta, Steve King, Tom Tancredo, Joe Arpaio, Kris Kobach.

    There are two truths about that:

    1. They are all elected Republicans, not a Democrat in the bunch

    2. Not a one of them is in really high level party leadership, and it would be a pleasant shock to me if one of them made it that high.

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  42. carol
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    Why is the Obama administration complaining that the GOP do not want to help them pass “immigration reform” a.k.a open borders and amnesty ?

    The GOP leaders would love to cooperate, but their hands are tied (so far) but a few intractable racist GOP voters. See, Eric Cantor et al.

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    Jefferson:”George Dubya is a RINO. He would have never gotten a high letter grade on immigration if he were to be evaluated by NumbersUSA.”

    Well, then I guess that the people who actually run the Republican party are all RINOs….And that includes Reagan, who signed off on the ’86 amnesty and never displayed an ounce of genuine concern about the demographic transformation of the USA.

    jefferson:”The Bush family are no longer the darlings of the right. Most registered Republican voters I have met do not even want George’s brother Jeb to run for president.”

    If you care about the Hispanicization of the USA, there is no way in Hell that you would want Jeb president. Of course, he’s just following the elite consensus on this point.

    jefferson:”I have met Republican voters who told me they regretted voting for George Dubya.”

    Eh, W. just did what the Republican elite wanted him to do

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    A neighborhood within 20 miles of Boston with a high Asian population and median home price of $400k? I think it would be better to break this down further into types of Asians (Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai, Cambodian, Burmese). So far at this price I can only think of Dorchester with a lot of Vietnamese or Lynn with a lot of Cambodians. Neither neighborhood is remotely desirable. You won’t find many Koreans in Boston suburban neighborhoods where the median house price is as low as $400k. In neighborhoods with large Korean populations you might a fixer-upper there for $400k.

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    On a tangentially related note; Seoul to ban ride-sharing app Uber.

    Seoul’s city council said:

    “We are looking into related laws to block Uber and similar apps that arrange such illegal transportation activities. Uber is charging customers while avoiding the regulatory process, which creates unfair competition for taxi drivers.”

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  46. What does the Republican Elite want?

    Do they simply want more money from (big) industry and thus will do (big) industry’s bidding?

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    re siyon – The Obama Administration and the Republican elites know that inaction means de facto amnesty and open borders. But this allows each side to play to the rubes. Meanwhile, the flood of cheap labor keeps on coming.

    Exactly. This point needs to be made loudly and often. As should a call for a general, across-the-board moratorium (pause, time-out) on all immigration until we can assimilate and integrate the 40 million or so foreign-born who are already living in America, the vast majority of whom are from societies with no or very weak democratic traditions. Meanwhile, the issue should be raised of whether mass immigration helps or hurts the development of the poor countries from which most immigrants come.

    By framing the issue in this way — in positive, non-discriminatory terms occupying the moral high ground — progress can be made. An immigration moratorium in return for amnesty would not be a bad deal.

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  48. Anonymous
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    Facebook Users More Likely To Divorce

    http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/07/20/study-facebook-users-more-likely-to-divorce/

    Now, there’s a surprise.

    I would be even more surprised to find out that an enormously important computer researcher was heterosexual, because, after all, we know that they are all gay.

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  49. George: “FWIW I doubt realtors were ever needed to explain where the black neighborhood was, where ChinaTown was, ect”

    Yes, exactly. I don’t know anyone who depended on a realtor for demographic information. Why, when you can use the NY Times’ census tract maps, Wikipedia, a town’s own website, etc. Or do it the old-fashioned way – ask your friends about it, or have a look yourself. If people want to find out, they will.

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  50. Can one make profit by predicting gentrification? | Lion of the Blogosphere
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    […] Steve Sailer writes: […]

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  51. Sutton
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    Anyone want to buy in Philly. North Broad by Temple U Med School. And Shriners. Lots of melanin privileged types there.

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  52. countenance
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    OT and Sailerbait:

    http://city-journal.org/2014/24_3_nyc-specialized-high-schools.html

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  53. FWIW
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    Schools have been officially rated for years. Demographic data is hardly a secret. The Chicago Sun Times publishes web photos of all homicide victims and perps. http://homicides.suntimes.com/2014/07/14/week-in-review-12-dead-from-chicago-shootings/

    Obviously, people don’t want to get too far ahead of gentrification. The numbers are the numbers and there is no way to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Bad neighborhoods are bad using any metric and vice versa.

    Uptown? An under achieving neighborhood.

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  54. blacks and mexicans don’t want to cluster around whites, especially the redneck variety. they would rather cluster around well adjusted and productive members of their own race. they don’t seek vibrancy either. vibrancy signals “this place is too white”. vibrancy is a swpl code word for lots of expensive restaurants and exotic amenities staffed by well adjusted nams and white hipsters.

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  55. vinegary
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    Thank goodness we still have freedom of association in this country. At least until fascists like Ted take over…

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  56. E. Rekshun
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    Eventually America’s government will simply refuse to release racial demographic information to the general public.

    Yes, I’ve been thinking that this will happen. The Federal government already often commingles hispanics and Whites when convenient to obfuscate hispanic pathologies.

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    The legacy of Martin Luther King is that if you attach his name to any residential neighborhood it will automatically lower the property value there, lol.

    About every two or three years, a small collection of vocal black residents of my city lobby City Council to change the long-time name of a major business thoroughfare from its logical, well-established name to MLK Blvd. Council has repeatedly declined to rename the street and has made logical other recommendations, but they just get called racist.

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    Indeed, some suburban communities were created in the late 19th and early 20th centuries specifically with this in mind, some with discriminatory policies written into leases and deeds.

    And the practice of freely contracting to mutual consent is E-e-e-vil! Freedom vants to sahk your blad!

    The sites are simply making it easier for home buyers to access data that is already available

    Yeah – eeevil knowledge! Like black magic. Not that it’s evil just because it’s black, or anything.

    “We think the consumer has a right to information as long as the information is factual,” he said.

    It’s just that kind of attitude that lets so much eeevil walk free in the world. Good men need only do nothing.

    or the appreciation rates aren’t moving in the right direction

    Mr. Schiller is a fellow speaking the right language.

    (The site doesn’t sell houses, but refers home buyers to agents, who then pay NeighborhoodScout.com a fee if they sell a home.)

    And that’s probably why.

    “Accurate data can help to break stereotypes,” he said. “It can lift up places, localities that have been bypassed.”

    Unicorns can fart rainbows, too. Oh, wait, the media does spread a lot of false stereotypes about people of (non-Jewish) European descent, particularly old stock Americans, so Schiller does have a point.

    This article is much ado about nothing. At most, the gov’t will break any links between agents and the sources of information. The latter will still become a ubiquitous tool in the hands of buyers. I could see the gov’t eventually pulling half a France and restricting access to the information it gathers about race, though.

    The Fair Housing Act, he says, “is only supposed to keep what are potentially nonfactual observations or perspectives by a single person like a real estate agent from influencing a person like a home buyer.”

    Boy is that guy naive (eeevil?).

    “Given a choice,” he said, “people choose to segregate themselves into these places where they can surround themselves with people like themselves.”

    And that’s eeevil. People are eeevil. Original sin. Liberals must burn the village to save it. Etc.

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  59. Jon
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    Whiskey said:

    Now, I don’t know what a society that has its most productive citizens (Whites) constantly churning and moving every other year or so, to escape ever greater demographic churn from the Immavasion and Section 8 palooza, but it will not look like Germany where most rent, but stay in place for decades.

    The thing to notice about Germany is that the population is not nearly as concentrated in urban centers as is the rest of Europe. The former East Germany is particularly “rural” in nature.

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    The beginning of a trend? What’s next? Chinese contractors, plumbers, electricians….etc.

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    Eventually America’s government will simply refuse to release racial demographic information to the general public.

    And then bots will comb social media to aggregate the information into private hands. And lack of data will be interpreted as evidence of the wrong kind of data.

    I wish there was a law that said an area could not be majority white. The only way for racism to end is for we white people to have a little less institutional power.

    Nah. Jews, blacks, yellows, browns, they’re all very racist. Racism will still flourish. White people might not, but racism will. In fact, racism will gain ground, what with whites being the least racist group, and the most “anti-racist.” And, whites will become as racist as, say, Jews in the process, having undergone a similar population bottleneck, with only the racist ones being extant to have an opinion.

    ***

    Again, this whole (above-board) discussion is a lot of hot air. Nobody’s going to outlaw something like G**gle Street View, which is a sufficient proxy for demographic data.

    By all means, I believe the government should pass a law requiring NAMs to be evenly distributed across the country, right down to the neighborhood level. Shatanquay, age 61, and her 27 great-granchildren should be living right next to Bill & Hillary in Westchester.

    I’ll second that if we start enforcement from the top. I.e., Martha’s Vineyard goes first.

    Ha ha! Now I’m requiring an email address again!

    Yes, I’m sure your inbox at fuc@kyou.com will fill up in no time.

    Or they’ll play games with the data like pretending that all Hispanics are white.

    Meaning, stuff like Street View will be even more informative than gov’t “data.” What happens when someone offers something like Street View, but using video (with faces automagically blurred of course) instead of photographs?

    Steve King

    Are there two Steve Kings in Congress? Or am I misremembering Steve King the gun-grabber? Or is Steve King really solid on immigration, and a gun-grabbing lunatic?

    “We are looking into related laws to block Uber and similar apps that arrange such illegal transportation activities. Uber is charging customers while avoiding the regulatory process, which creates unfair competition for taxi drivers.”

    It can be hard to monetize in the face of hostile regulation because centralized systems are so much easier to regulate. What would a gov’t do about a peer-to-peer version?

    As should a call for a general, across-the-board moratorium (pause, time-out) on all immigration until we can assimilate and integrate the 40 million or so foreign-born who are already living in America, the vast majority of whom are from societies with no or very weak democratic traditions. Meanwhile, the issue should be raised of whether mass immigration helps or hurts the development of the poor countries from which most immigrants come.

    By framing the issue in this way — in positive, non-discriminatory terms occupying the moral high ground — progress can be made. An immigration moratorium in return for amnesty would not be a bad deal.

    You can frame it that way, and the media and the Democrats (I repeat myself) can frame that as racist. “From societies with no or very weak democratic traditions”? Man, that’s just racist.

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  62. Cookies
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    Speaking of apps, I look forward to the Steve post on Grindr – created by Israeli Jewish homosexuals.

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    It always amazed me that the 3 American cities with the largest Cambodian populations were Long Beach, CA, followed by Lowell and Lynn, MA. They definitely flew over flyover country!

    Slava, the winner is Quincy, MA, which borders Boston. Median housing price of $350K and 24% Asian, mostly Chinese, like Weaselberg’s wife, who’s from Quincy.

    You want to live among the white folk? Find a nice place with no rental property (and no Section 8) and no public transportation.

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    I wish there was a law that said an area could not be majority white. The only way for racism to end is for we white people to have a little less institutional power.

    A law like that would be immaterial at this time, Ted. Whites are still about 65% of the population. So mathematically you could not do that. However, if you work feverishly to open up the border to mass …

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    hopefully by then their own data will be hopelessly inaccurate due to the public embracing the same policy with regards to the government.

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  66. Jefferson
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    “^This. Or they’ll play games with the data like pretending that all Hispanics are white.”

    The remaining surviving Hispanic bank robber in Stockton, California was most likely classified as “White” in his mugshot when he was brought into the police station, even though he is clearly a Mestizo.

    But he had he been a scientist who found a cure for alzheimer’s, do you think anybody in the media would refer to him as “White” ? I don’t think so.

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  67. carol
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    What does the Republican Elite want?

    Cheap labor and docile servants…and they want to get the bubble economy roaring again, to generate tax rev so they don’t have to raise taxes or cut entitlements. I think they pine for the Clinton era boom with its fleeting tax surplus.

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  68. Reggin
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    You want to live among the white folk? Find a nice place with no rental property (and no Section 8) and no public transportation.

    No rental property and no public transport? That will also keep the gays and hippies out.

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  69. JohnB
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    Try not to be so dense, a neighborhood that is 100% Mexican is a diverse neighborhood so it can’t be racist for a Mexican to want to live there. It is racism for a significant number of whites to move in, however. Or to avoid doing so. It’s also racism for whites to move into a largely white neighborhood, or want to. Unless they’re liberals with lots of money who do it for the schools and the progressive ambiance. Then it’s OK, because in their hearts they live in Detroit. Anti-racism is . . . well, you know.

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  70. Jefferson
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    “You want to live among the white folk? Find a nice place with no rental property (and no Section 8) and no public transportation.”

    Portland, Oregon and Salt Lake City, Utah for example have rental property and public transportation. And those 2 cities are Whiter than the national average.

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  71. Jefferson
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    “Try not to be so dense, a neighborhood that is 100% Mexican is a diverse neighborhood so it can’t be racist for a Mexican to want to live there. It is racism for a significant number of whites to move in, however. Or to avoid doing so. It’s also racism for whites to move into a largely white neighborhood, or want to. Unless they’re liberals with lots of money who do it for the schools and the progressive ambiance. Then it’s OK, because in their hearts they live in Detroit. Anti-racism is . . . well, you know.”

    There have been reports that White hipsters in San Francisco’s heavily Hispanic district of Mission have gotten death threats from the local Spanish speaking Amerindians/Mestizos who are complaining that these White tech hipsters with their evil White privilege are jacking up property prices.

    Viva La Raza is complain that the Whitening of the Mission district is now making the cost of living there too expensive to live.

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  72. Ed
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    There are quite a few GOP reps that legitimately do not support open borders and are pro-enforcement. The Dems are to a man for open borders and soft on immigration. A few Dems if up for re-election may move to right on immigration but not much and not for long.

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    What does the Republican Elite want?

    They don’t want to be called racist. Immigration is a racial policy first and foremost, there’s almost no serious argument about its economic impact and those opposing mass immigration are called racists, not economic saboteurs. The Republicans are paralyzed by anything that even touches on the issue of race (or can be made to), and since most issues do touch on race (or can be made to) that’s just another way of saying the Republicans are paralyzed, period. When was the last time a Republican made an issue of welfare? That was a big issue in the 90s, but that was then and this is now. In an age when anyone from janitor to senator can lose their job for the smallest infraction of racial correctness, it is a myth to say that the Republicans are primarily driven to support mass immigration by a desire for cheap labor. These are intelligent, educated people they can see the writing on the wall as well as anybody here, but they’re caught in an incentive trap – support your future destruction or be destroyed immediately.

    (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/16/Patrick-Leahy-Cites-Holocaust-Victims-In-Plea-to-Embrace-Unaccompanied-Minors

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  74. anon
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    “The Dems are to a man for open borders and soft on immigration.”4

    John Barrow of Georgia is better than most Republicans on the issue.

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    Jefferson: “The legacy of Martin Luther King is that if you attach his name to any residential neighborhood it will automatically lower the property value there.”

    You need to be more optimistic! If you attach his name to any residential neighborhood, it will automatically become more affordable.

    Steve – your test fails in Opera 12.17 on Windows XP.

    Developers were building way more golf-course subdivision houses during the boom than there were golfers because it kept black people out. (This is rational behavior on the part of black people – if you don’t play golf, why pay tens of thousands more, plus hundreds/month in dues, for a game you don’t play?)

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  76. Kibernetika
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    Pattern recognition and statistical analysis are tools for learning. Profiling is learning.

    But unobfuscated reality is mean. Reality isn’t nice. It’s staring wide-eyed into the sun. Dealers of realities often need to “step on the product,” to make it less potent ;) Can’t mainline pure, uncut facts. We need to deflect, to throw out any-ol’ possible causes the way military aircraft fire chaff to confuse hostile systems.

    Reality and pure, uncut logic lead to things such as redlining. And that’s not nice. Think about an upper-middle class social event, where the guests are drinking the host’s wine. What happens if a guest loudly says that the wine sucks? Better to just keep quiet but never buy that wine. Better to just move where the “schools are great” rather than discuss it.

    Knowledge is power, and one must never admit that one is knowledgeable ;)

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  77. TWS
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    Trulia missed several drug houses I know about in my area they also missed a ton of different arrests I’ve personally seen. Wonder why? Do they only list crime by the month?

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    The Fair Housing Act, he says, “is only supposed to keep what are potentially nonfactual observations

    I’m intrigued by by these non-factual observations. Does anyone know where I could go to see one? Or rather not see one.

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    Homefacts under reports the Hispanic population in my zip code by about 500%. Damn they are off. They also missed the murderer that was deported rather than prosecuted. Even with that my tiny rural town has a murder rate of almost 800% greater than the national average. We get an F for crime D- in a ‘good’ year. But I am sure importing illegal alien gang members has nothing to do with that.

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  80. The way my wife and I did it was to go to great schools.com and look at the racial breakdown of the schools. That told us most of what we wanted to know about the neighborhood.

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  81. Jefferson
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    “John Barrow of Georgia is better than most Republicans on the issue.”

    Those immigration patriots in Murietta, California who were protesting the U.S government for trying to bus Illegals into their home town, which candidate do you think the vast majority of them voted for in 2012, Mitt Romney or Barack Obama ?

    It is 100 percent fact that the vast majority immigration patriots vote Republican in presidential elections.

    You will not find any immigration patriots in this country with “Yes We Can” and “Hope And Change” Obama bumper stickers on their cars.

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  82. In an age when anyone from janitor to senator can lose their job for the smallest infraction of racial correctness. . .

    True. Yet you will read articles that state things like, “When political correctness peaked in the early 1990s. . . ”

    It hasn’t peaked yet. It keeps getting worse.

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  83. Jefferson
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    In an age when anyone from janitor to senator can lose their job for the smallest infraction of racial correctness. . .

    True. Yet you will read articles that state things like, “When political correctness peaked in the early 1990s. . . ”

    It hasn’t peaked yet. It keeps getting worse.”

    Political correctness is getting worst, just look at what recently happened to Donald Sterling, Anthony Cumia, Paula Deen, that reporter from New Jersey Sean Bergin who was talking about cop killers in the Black community, etc. they were all victims of the PC police and they all got financially hit in their pockets for having politically incorrect thoughts.

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  84. zanon
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    Hysterical. This was from my neighborhood on neighborhoodscout.com:

    Diversity
    Did you know that the Los Altos Hills Town Center neighborhood has more Canadian and Iranian ancestry people living in it than nearly any neighborhood in America? It’s true! In fact, 3.4% of this neighborhood’s residents have Canadian ancestry and 2.2% have Iranian ancestry.

    Los Altos Hills Town Center is also pretty special linguistically. Significantly, 14.7% of its residents five years old and above primarily speak Chinese at home. While this may seem like a small percentage, it is higher than 99.0% of the neighborhoods in America.

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  85. syon
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    jefferson:”Those immigration patriots in Murietta, California who were protesting the U.S government for trying to bus Illegals into their home town, which candidate do you think the vast majority of them voted for in 2012, Mitt Romney or Barack Obama ?

    It is 100 percent fact that the vast majority immigration patriots vote Republican in presidential elections.”

    Which is quite sad, seeing as how the Republican party is not going to do a damn thing to stop mass immigration.

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    Ed:”There are quite a few GOP reps that legitimately do not support open borders and are pro-enforcement.”

    And do they run the GOP? No.

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  87. Jefferson
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    “Los Altos Hills Town Center is also pretty special linguistically. Significantly, 14.7% of its residents five years old and above primarily speak Chinese at home. While this may seem like a small percentage, it is higher than 99.0% of the neighborhoods in America.”

    14% Chinese sounds about par for many areas of California, especially if we are talking about The San Gabriel Valley and The Bay Area.

    I remember when I spent a day in Monterey Park, California. If you are a White guy with Yellow fever, you will feel like you just died and gone to heaven if you step foot there.

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  88. Reggin
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    True. Yet you will read articles that state things like, “When political correctness peaked in the early 1990s. . . ”

    It hasn’t peaked yet. It keeps getting worse.

    Confrontational feminism is what peaked in the early 1990s, and is only a small part of PC. Sadly, PC itself keeps getting worse, and worse, and worse.

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    Svigor:”Nah. Jews, blacks, yellows, browns, they’re all very racist. Racism will still flourish. White people might not, but racism will.”

    Of course White people will, Svigor. You just talked about how racist White Jews are; they are the White race’s natural repository of racial thinking.

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  90. Jefferson
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    “And do they run the GOP? No.”

    Would immigration patriots more welcomed in The Democratic Party ? Immigration patriots are seen as no different than The Third Reich in the eyes of The Democratic Party.

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    Pittsburgh is whiter, too. But then, so are Oregon, Utah and Western Pennsylvania.

    In the real world, like the area I live in, the desirable areas for white people are NOT the ones with rental property and public transportation. My town, which manages to muddle through without those two things, is experiencing a mini real estate boom, which is mostly fueled by white families with young kids moving here from a town 5 miles away. This other town has better restaurants and a much more picturesque downtown. It’s also the terminus for the Orange Line (Sickle Cell Express to some local wags, as the opposite end is in dodgy Jamaica Plain, hard by Roxbury) and has a higher percentage of housing stock as rental property than the state average. Section 8 has exploded there since 2008, and the MCAS scores (state’s annual standardized test) have declined each year. Property crime there has more than doubled. Thus the exodus of young white families.

    The availability of Section 8 housing vouchers at the $1,500-$1,600 range in Massachusetts makes no area with rental property immune.

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    “Why didn’t Bush 2 use the fervour generated by 9/11 to secure America’s borders? Why didn’t the Party leaders use 9/11 to ram through mandatory E-Verify for all employers, etc, etc. That was the perfect moment for decisive action.”

    Bush is a left-winger. To the Left, no policy is more important than the policy of demographic transformation through mass immigration.

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  93. ben tillman
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    Would immigration patriots more welcomed in The Democratic Party ? Immigration patriots are seen as no different than The Third Reich in the eyes of The Democratic Party.

    In the eyes of the leadership, perhaps, but the rank-and-file are generally opposed to mass immigration.

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    I’m intrigued by by these non-factual observations. Does anyone know where I could go to see one? Or rather not see one.

    You could sit in front of your TV, I suppose. But, yes, you make a good point.

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    Along these lines, according to the US Department of Energy, in 2009 the annual rate of per capita CO2 emission in the United States was 17.2 metric tons, Honduras 1.2, Mexico 4.4, El Salvador 1.1 and Guatemala 1. These new “immigrants” aren’t coming here to live like Central American peasants. By allowing this migration we are contributing mightily to climate change, which is the greatest danger the world has ever known. How do the immigration advocates square this with the need to save the planet?

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    “In the eyes of the leadership, perhaps, but the rank-and-file are generally opposed to mass immigration.”

    If the rank and file Democrats generally oppose mass immigration, why do they continue to vote for far left wing Democratic politicians who want open borders and amnesty ?

    Why aren’t most Democratic voters at The Huffington Post for example complaining about about how insecure the border is ? I have seen the comments and most of them say they think no Central American who crossed the border should be sent back to their country. They think the Central Americans should get amnesty.

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  97. sideways
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    I note that “that’s despicable” guy lives in a 5%NAM town in a 40% NAM metro.

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  98. So if you use websites that help make informed decisions regarding a suitable neighborhood, then that could be a violation of the Fair Housing Act. But if you’re trying to find information regarding where gentrification of an urban area may occur next, then that’s perfectly fine.

    Seems like its just a 21st cent. riff on the old Revolutionary Road tale of urban areas vs suburbs; most of the time the viewpoint is coming from a NY (urban) perspective.

    Wonder how relevant the NYT is in this new era of apps, sites, etc. A bit of jealousy over Zillows influence instead of reading thru the NYT columnists for advice on how to make educated decisions regarding where to move?

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