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An idée fixe of mine is that there should be an independent National Immigration Safety and Quality Board to investigate spectacularly screwed-ups results of the immigration process and issue advisories on how the system can be reformed to let in only better quality people. There are 7 billion foreigners in the world, hundreds of millions of whom would like to move to America, so there’s no good reason why America should have policies that let in so many crummy people like the Farook Family.

And yet, from the New York Times on the Farook Family:

But in their last moments, with the police in pursuit of the rented sport utility vehicle Mr. Farook was driving, Ms. Malik aimed and fired a rifle out the back of the car. Before the couple were killed, the authorities said, they unloaded 76 rounds at the police and injured two officers.

Mr. Farook and Ms. Malik met on a dating website, according to Mr. Farook’s brother-in-law, Farhan Khan, who is married to one of Mr. Farook’s two sisters.

Ms. Malik, 27, was born in Pakistan and had lived with her family in Saudi Arabia, Mr. Khan said. Mr. Farook, 28, was born in Illinois, and his parents are from Pakistan. The couple had been married for two years. An online baby registry in Ms. Malik’s name said her daughter was due May 17 of this year and listed diapers, baby wash, a car seat and safety swabs.

Keep in mind that the late Ms. Farook had a six month old baby while she was blasting away at the cops like Machine Gun Kelly.

Mr. Khan said that Mr. Farook had traveled to Saudi Arabia at least two times: first to meet Ms. Malik’s family and then to marry her.

A congressional official briefed on the inquiry said the authorities believed Mr. Farook had also gone to Saudi Arabia for the hajj, the annual Islamic pilgrimage, though it was not clear exactly when. …

In July 2015, she was granted a conditional green card, for which, as a matter of procedure, the couple had to prove that their marriage was legitimate. Additionally, Ms. Malik had to pass criminal and national security background checks.

After Mr. Farook graduated from California State University, San Bernardino in 2010, officials said, he worked for five years as an environmental inspector for the San Bernardino County Public Health Department.

On Wednesday, Mr. Farook joined colleagues at an annual holiday party, the same party he had attended the year before. He did not appear out of place.

Soon, however, he stormed out in anger. The nature of the dispute was not clear, but when he returned with his wife, both of them were dressed in tactical gear and carrying assault rifles, officials said.

They had made pipe bombs, presumably beforehand, so they had been thinking of doing something.

A few years before he married his wife, Mr. Farook had profiles on at least two dating websites, where he advertised his family as well-adjusted. “Religios but modern,” he wrote.

One of the sites was aimed at people in the United Arab Emirates, and the other markets itself to Indian singles. Mr. Farook signed up for one when he was 22 and the other when he was 23.

He described himself as a health, safety and environmental inspector who came from a Sunni Muslim family of two girls and two boys.

“Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religios books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard,” he wrote, adding that he also enjoyed “doing target practice with younger sister and friends.”

My NISQB would investigate why Mr. Farook’s parents were let into the country:

Mr. Farook’s parents appeared to have a tumultuous and often violent marriage, according to court records. His mother, Rafia Farook, filed for dissolution of the marriage in 2006. Additionally, she accused her husband, also named Syed Farook, of domestic violence. Those complaints were later dismissed.

In 2008, Ms. Farook again accused her husband of domestic violence and legally separated from him.

But the trouble apparently continued until as recently as February of this year, when she made another domestic violence complaint. Records indicate that the complaint is still active.

Here in Riverside, about 20 miles from the site of the shooting, the Farook family had lived in a small ranch house since at least the 1990s, neighbors said. The house was full of life, with goats and chickens raised in the backyard.

Victor Venegas, who lives across the street, once owned a small trucking company for which the elder Syed Farook worked as an independent contractor. He owned an 18-wheeler, Mr. Venegas said.

“I would send him all the way to Georgia, and he loved that,” Mr. Venegas said. He said he believed the father had continued to work as a truck driver after Mr. Venegas disbanded the business.

Money may have been a strain in the Farook household. The father would ask Mr. Venegas for money.

“He would sometimes come over without calling and asking, ‘Can I have $10 to buy cigarettes?’ ” Mr. Venegas said.

Another neighbor, Luis Escamilla, 25, went to high school with one of the younger Mr. Farook’s sisters, Eba Farook. He said she had recounted tension between the father and the rest of the family.

“She said they would kick the dad out for a few months, then he would come back,” Mr. Escamilla said. “He didn’t get along with the rest of the family.”

Both Farook parents often wore traditional Muslim attire, with Ms. Farook covering her hair. But the children usually dressed in Western clothing, neighbors said.

… Around Christmas one year, Mr. Venegas recalled, the father asked where he could buy a goat; he especially wanted a pregnant animal, saying that goat fetus was a delicacy.

Exactly how did the Farook Family being allowed in America promote “the general welfare,” other than to provide Mr. Venegas with a lower wage occasional truck drivers, savings he partly lost in all the cigarette money that got bummed off him?

 
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  1. There already is such a process:

    Is he not white? Will his presence help destroy Western civilization? He’s in.

    so there’s no good reason why America should have policies . . .

    There’s your reason. He met the only quality standard that matters to the System.

    People: You’re not helping.

    System: We’re not trying to.

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  2. Obama’s floating “it could be workplace violence.”

    What a sick justification this president is already rolling out: the Omar Thornton Defense. It’s “understandable” if there was a “workplace environment” that wasn’t just peachy to the murderer.

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  3. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Soon, however, he stormed out in anger. The nature of the dispute was not clear, but when he returned with his wife, both of them were dressed in tactical gear and carrying assault rifles, officials said.

    They keep saying that the reason for the dispute wasn’t clear, but was that written before the whole Messianic Judaism story came out?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344350/Devout-Muslim-citizen-Saudi-wife-living-American-Dream-identified-heavily-armed-duo-burst-office-holiday-party-slaughtered-14-leaving-baby-mother.html

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    • Replies: @Spmoore8
    LA Times has profiles of all victims. All races and ethnicities. And specified that Farook got on well with the Jewish guy.
    , @Jonathan Silber
    Who is the source for the claim, repeated in most accounts, that the perpetrator of the mass murder had gotten into a dispute at the Christmas party and stormed out in anger?
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  4. Like all of Steve’s ideas, it’ll never happen.

    One thing I’ve come to realize is that non-discrimination is a sacred value. It’s not only one value to be balanced against others. It’s the first principle, and can never be questioned.

    Want to cut back on Muslim immigration? Extremist! Reasonable people would rather have mass surveillance and never-ending war.

    I watched too much Fox News today. There’s this fool named Greg Gutfeld, who is always telling us Islamic extremism is the greatest threat to mankind, something our children will worry about on a daily basis. He fancies himself some sort of brave truth teller, and his mockery of campus leftists is occasionally entertaining. But he never, ever brings up immigration when talking about this supposedly greatest threat in the history of mankind.

    It’s truly depressing. We need Trump for the cultural change it’ll bring. When the president is offending every group under the sun, maybe we’ll have our own perestroika. As things stand, the sacred principle can’t be questioned, and if not Trump (and it’s a long shot)I don’t know what will ever wake the country up out of its stupor.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    You're right. Gutfeld can be amusing, but he'll never stray from the neocon reservation. BTW, he hates Trump, as all the Fox commentators were no doubt advised to.
    , @boogerbently
    Serious question,
    Women have run the social/political show for decades now. They have made great strides protecting women at home and in the workplace.
    Serious question,
    How can they justify/agree with allowing the immigration of the most patriarchal, domestically violent, woman hating culture of men, into their country ?
    Does multiculturalism exceed feminism ?
    , @WJ
    Don't watch Gutfeld. He is a tediously reliable neocon. He detests Trump and even said this week that people need to go after Trump supporters.

    Conservatives, the Right, or whatever you want to call it, desperately needs a network besides Fox. Fox has done a great disservice to the conservative movement after 9/11.
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  5. Everyone has things they want, but most people realize getting those things requires implementation plans and that some things just aren’t possible. It isn’t enough to say “I want a steak”, you have to come up with a plan to get the steak: get the money, get in the car, drive to the market, etc. etc.

    This NISQB plan would run into the heaviest traffic you’ve ever seen. For instance, MD legislators wanted to collect info on illegal aliens but the other side was just too smart, sane, and focused (as they always are).

    Getting something like the NISQB would require a great deal of smart work beforehand in order to undercut those who’d oppose it. Yet, dozens of comments here, hundreds elsewhere, and thousands of tweets later few are willing to do smart work. They either want to just throw out wild plans, or they won’t do anything, or they do dumb things. They suffer from Dunning Kruger so they think they’re winning even as Obama keeps getting his way. And, they lack the integrity to ever admit they did things the wrong way.

    In case anyone actually wants this NISQB, start doing smart, sane, focused things that will work.

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  6. An idée fixe of mine is that there should be an independent National Immigration Safety and Quality Board to investigate spectacularly screwed-ups results of the immigration process…

    Equip immigrants with a box.

    But don’t call it black.

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    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "Equip immigrants with a box. But don’t call it black."

    Pardon my dhimm-wittedness, Reg, but I don't get the witticism of installing a non-black box on immigrants. Would you please explain this joke?
    Oh! Never mind; I think I figured it out. This must a reference to a "black box" flight data recorder, used by the National Transportation Safety Board to find the cause of plane crashes (or, in this case, immigrant malfunctions). I was thinking of the engineering abstraction
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box See also
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box_(disambiguation)
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  7. “…an independent National Immigration Safety and Quality Board…”

    Not a bad idea. Instead of only a dumb fence I’ve been advocating in addition a “velvet rope” approach with a bad-ass bouncer that checks candidates trying to get in. Illegal immigration isn’t the biggest problem. An excessive quantity and insufficient quantity of both the legal and illegal variety is what nobody is willing to discuss.

    And if somebody looks like being too much of a risk, the bouncer shows ‘em the door.

    Too bad the bouncer can’t kick out trouble-making native born sons. Baltimore, Chicago and and St. Louis could profit from that. Whatever risks the immigrants pose, I probably feel safer among all the newcomers from south Asia working in the technopolises of the Bay Area or Seattle than among the Red, not so White, Black and Blue native born Americans in places like Baltimore.

    An additional idea might be to require newcomers to have several non-family sponsors from the native community willing to support their immigration application. Private country clubs usually require a couple sponsors for any new member, perhaps our community could do something similar? One of the biggest problems to integration is that the newcomers stay in their insular ethnic community. If we were able to only accept those who are interested and motivated to be integrating in the general community at-large, the results might be better.

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  8. Couldn’t agree more. I see no reason at all for any immigration in general and certainly for none from the violent, alien Muslim world.

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  9. No no, the nuts are good.

    Suppose there were no violent nuts among the immigrants.

    It would only boost arguments for immigration.

    I say maximize the nuts. That will make Americans sour on immigration altogether.

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  10. Chain deportation

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  11. “But in their last moments, with the police in pursuit of the rented sport utility vehicle Mr. Farook was driving, Ms. Malik aimed and fired a rifle out the back of the car. Before the couple were killed, the authorities said, they unloaded 76 rounds at the police and injured two officers.”

    Like a regular Bonnie and Clyde.

    Except their goal was killing people, not stealing.

    And we imported their rage, it didn’t grow naturally.

    So I guess nothing like Bonnie and Clyde. But, rich culture and all.

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  12. When the Ansar al-Din group invaded the the Radisson Blu Hotel in Mali’s capital, Bamako occupants were asked to recite some verses from the Koran. Those who could were set free. We could have the NISQB reject any applicant who could recite a few versus from the Koran but that would be an unwieldy test to administer and disqualify people for just knowing something.

    It’s probably best to give immigration an across the board rest for a while.

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    • Replies: @pb
    Ask them to spit on a Koran or stomp on an image of Muhammed.
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  13. A day and half since the shooting and no pics of International Missus Martyrdom Mystery Malik. Shouldn’t the federal government have her picture on file as part of the greencard process? Wouldn’t it be a good idea for them to release it, so if someone had seen her doing something sketchy they could report it?

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    The visual identity of "Tashfeen Malik" is complicated by the fact that apparently Syed Farook has a brother who is a US Navy veteran who is married to a Russian born woman (Tatiana Farook) who is, actually, quite a babe. My photo posted earlier today, which I found on an Australian site, is apparently of her and the "other" brother who has the same first name, Syed.

    I think we are finally getting some clarity here since some seem to be distancing themselves from the identification of Tatiana as "Tashfeen Malik", which I have found in other sources as a legit Arabic (male) name for a famous Jihadist from the 12th Century. (I had reversed the letters earlier, but in Arabic script it is "Tashfeen".)

    Here are a two new links, as before, for what it's worth, and maybe, not much:

    From the more or less reputable Daily Mail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345337/Brother-San-Bernardino-gunman-decorated-Navy-veteran-honored-role-war-terror.html

    From the unknown provenance "Daily Entertainment":

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/breaking-news/tatiana-farook-ca-shooter-syed-raheel-farooks-wife/

    An older link from a Palestinian journo: http://shoebat.com/2015/12/03/88818/

    Again, I stress this is still very confused, and provisional. But it's out there.

    It would be nice to have a confirmation of the wife and her actions.

    , @Bliss

    A day and half since the shooting and no pics of International Missus Martyrdom Mystery Malik.
     
    I am guessing she was caught alive and is currently being pressured to reveal details about their terrorist plans (why else would they have accumulated all those pipe bombs).
    , @GeorginaW
    Two and half days since the shooting and no picture of the wife. This is more than strange. Both the FBI and now the media have been in that home and have talked with family members and still no picture of this Malik person. Why is a picture so hard to get?
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  14. It’s interesting that the notion of not receiving immigrants from certain nations at all is unthinkable racism and ethnic bigotry. Obviously that’s what it is, when disparate impact is the moral equivalent of intent, and that’s a fact we all agreed to in common, rigorous debate preceding our great enthusiasm, boy that was a day to remember wasn’t it, when we made that an institution what a day that was, what fun I got shitfaced everyone got laid no disparities.

    So anyways we know it would be that, evil sin utter nazism, even though we know it would be about propensities to murder. So our certainties are literally absurd, and our values are practically suicidal, worse than suicidal even, because suicide is far more respectable than retarding defense against murderers, of your children, for no good reason at all.

    But what’s interesting is the absolute universal perfection of the principle’s application. (Are any nations flat barred?) I don’t know how the functionaries slice the thing. When can you say it’s ok to say “might be pro-murder”? He’s from Saudi Arabia. He’s from this town. His family are these people. This lists the friends he lists. This is his story, etcetera. When does suspicion become decisively suspicious? Do they even deal with mere likelihood? I would bet they do not deal with likelihood but only proved connection. Does it only become OK to say he might be out for murder when we know his plan?

    But the most interesting question is: why is this matter of how we decide who to let in unknown to me I mean I read the media? Why does no politician exploit what is doubtless about the incompetents of bureaucrats, and say this is how we fix what is vital: None of these fuckers from Pakistan no more.

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    "Its interesting that the notion of not receiving immigrants from certain nations at all is unthinkable racism and ethnic bigotry."


    Actually its just confusing PREFERENCE with PREJUDICE. But the cultural Marxists have done a great job of fudging this. Here in Canada we have had to publicly "apologize" for sending back a ship of Sikh illegal aliens in 1914 and have actually built a monument to them. UNBELIEVABLE!
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  15. I’m thinking that this graduate of Cal State Bardoo is an argument for some drastic changes to the Cal State system.

    Mostly these schools need to drastically cut their class size. There is no point to using scarce resources on someone who is a native speaker of English but is unable to spell common words or use periods and commas.

    I’ve seen plenty of examples of writing by people up and down the IQ curve. This is someone in the low 80′s, or how someone with a 100 IQ writes around age 14.

    Californians with high IQs, but a little outside that needed for our top tier public schools like Berkeley, or have responsibilities that stop them from attending one, ought to have a place to go that is not crowded by idiots like this.

    These students go to Cal State schools anyway, but they have to endure rapidly increasing tuition and classes so crowded it is very hard to register for the classes you need to graduate in four years.

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    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    I say this tentatively and probably your experience undermines mine, but I completely and profoundly disagree about the diagnostic force of writing samples.

    Plenty of more than average IQ people read nothing but instructions or such ever at all, and when such people write letters say to their baby momma from a prison cell, the product will sometimes state things effectively like a list is effective but would always be more effective as an actual list, treating words as hieroglyphics with headings: lunch ham apple sauce bread rec basketball lost won lost fun tv BET tupac jay z, and on and on. Joyce demonstrated exactly how efficient this was, especially when you live, as modernity increasingly has, in a world of so many different objects, which was a clever way to make several points, above all probably about the water as fishes we do not conceive.

    But actually you will find that these men nary attempt to describe anything they have been up to at all, and entirely go about emoting, over and over and over. This appears not as drivel but as a child desperately crying. Every time that's what it comes out to, and they have no idea that's what it looks like because they don't read. The only thing people who do not know how to write can effectively string together in sentences are their emotions, especially when the emotion is pure love midst profound loneliness, and you will find that to be exactly what poets universally begin by writing about---what other emotion really inspires message? Again these are men with IQs 100 and up to even 115 and probably up and up and up.

    But, an interesting thing occurs when music appears. Declarative statement about action comes to the fore, narration gets a footing, and descriptions flourish. What most young alpha black men do in prison is write poetry, and recite it to each other, and get very happy and excited about the good stuff. And they do this for hours on end. Remember, the Odyssey and Illiad were sung at first, and would not exist but for music by instinct.

    Then, since we may say writing style has objectively evolved, such that the best writing has long looked nothing like the spoken speech of anyone alive, by deduction it follows that writing skill past a point is 100 percent about what you read and how deeply you do, since style must be assimilated before it can be augmented. The point past which this obtains is supposedly absolute, and was so apparent that it needed a new word: Prose. In the beginning, as Joyce cleverly made a ring out of, words were chiseled strictly as lists. (forget whose lists we have) More than one thousand years later, writing came along. When it became prose is a matter of taste really, until you can pin down function. This suggests a principle that is pregnant: properly speaking, writing is a technologically, not a mode of speaking, and that distinction has real implications about how well it can be mastered, if we can say something about the faculty needed to master it. Which returns the issue to reading.

    Lets say of men with IQs of 140 who read for enjoyment, the books they most enjoy reading are on the level of John Grisham. Of course they would never admit that, not a single one of them maybe, but I would wager gold that is so true as to be nearly comprehensively true. (Self-deception is operative of course, because what we most enjoy we rarely realize conceptually or care to admit, ever maybe save the insane, or sanctified.) That gets at what one would mean by reading deeply, because that's what the enjoyment of reading is like, to deeply enjoy the writing, which is how styles of writing are assimilated, internalized as steve would say, by being enraptured by words consecutively limned to some meaningful effect so much that you really are imbibing them like wine. But to a stupor you get to retain somehow, attending as well the ability to recall. That recall manifests when you set keel to breaker, pen to paper, and ring out some effect.

    So the issue of who can write how well depends on how much you enjoy reading, and the advancement of writing would appear to depend on how well you enjoy the most advanced writing, your reading habit and your taste that is, which seems too elegant to be wrong. But I'm just spouting, rather mashing what I learned from listening to Joe Sobran speak of so many things on many long smoky nights, and from him finding his greatest champion, the critic Hugh Kenner, who I cannot recommend enough. My own speculation is a certainty of mine I know I don't know, an intuition I guess, that there are plenty of black men with IQs of say 90, who could make a contribution to the advancement of writing style, if some master penned a work of some length on a subject they could really get down with. IQ doesn't correlate with musical ability and I'm pretty sure that's why it doesn't correlate with writing ability, if we could see the truth we should care about most, if you believe words and human nature have a deep tie, as I do.
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  16. President Obama made one of his odd pronouncements today: “For those who are concerned about terrorism, some may be aware of the fact that we have a no-fly list where people can’t get on planes, but those same people that we don’t allow to fly could go into stores in the United States and buy a firearm and there’s nothing we could do to stop them.”

    Was Farook Syed on the no-fly list? Apparently not, since he flew to Saudi Arabia not long ago. So what’s your point, Mr. President?

    The no-fly list is notoriously flawed, as people are hassled because their name is similar to one on the list. Famously, Teddy Kennedy once had trouble boarding a flight because there was a “T. Kennedy” on the list. Of course, if confusion over names prevented law-abiding citizens from purchasing firearms, that would be a plus in Obama’s mind.

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    Obama is exercising a key characteristic of leftist privilege. If you are a leftist you do not have to conform to the (white-Western) strictures of logic or incorporate the facts at hand into your response.

    There were guns involved (pipe-bombs? no problem). Therefore disarming non-Muslims will 'improve the odds' of survival in a Muslim attack. Just like it did in Paris.

    Buck O'Fama.
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  17. From the Clash (of Civilizations):

    By order of the prophet
    We ban that piggy meat
    Degenerate the faithful
    With that trichinotic meat
    But San Bernadines, they brought out
    the sterno and the pork,
    the local brand of liquor
    in a carafe with a cork.
    As soon as Syed Farook
    Had cleared the square
    They began to wail

    Farook don’t like it
    Glockin’ the Casbah
    Glock the Casbah

    Farook don’t like it
    Glockin’ the Casbah
    Glock the Casbah

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  18. @Reg Cæsar

    An idée fixe of mine is that there should be an independent National Immigration Safety and Quality Board to investigate spectacularly screwed-ups results of the immigration process…
     
    Equip immigrants with a box.

    But don't call it black.

    “Equip immigrants with a box. But don’t call it black.”

    Pardon my dhimm-wittedness, Reg, but I don’t get the witticism of installing a non-black box on immigrants. Would you please explain this joke?
    Oh! Never mind; I think I figured it out. This must a reference to a “black box” flight data recorder, used by the National Transportation Safety Board to find the cause of plane crashes (or, in this case, immigrant malfunctions). I was thinking of the engineering abstraction
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box See also

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box_(disambiguation)

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  19. @Lugash
    A day and half since the shooting and no pics of International Missus Martyrdom Mystery Malik. Shouldn't the federal government have her picture on file as part of the greencard process? Wouldn't it be a good idea for them to release it, so if someone had seen her doing something sketchy they could report it?

    The visual identity of “Tashfeen Malik” is complicated by the fact that apparently Syed Farook has a brother who is a US Navy veteran who is married to a Russian born woman (Tatiana Farook) who is, actually, quite a babe. My photo posted earlier today, which I found on an Australian site, is apparently of her and the “other” brother who has the same first name, Syed.

    I think we are finally getting some clarity here since some seem to be distancing themselves from the identification of Tatiana as “Tashfeen Malik”, which I have found in other sources as a legit Arabic (male) name for a famous Jihadist from the 12th Century. (I had reversed the letters earlier, but in Arabic script it is “Tashfeen”.)

    Here are a two new links, as before, for what it’s worth, and maybe, not much:

    From the more or less reputable Daily Mail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345337/Brother-San-Bernardino-gunman-decorated-Navy-veteran-honored-role-war-terror.html

    From the unknown provenance “Daily Entertainment”:

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/breaking-news/tatiana-farook-ca-shooter-syed-raheel-farooks-wife/

    An older link from a Palestinian journo: http://shoebat.com/2015/12/03/88818/

    Again, I stress this is still very confused, and provisional. But it’s out there.

    It would be nice to have a confirmation of the wife and her actions.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    All the males in the family have the first name (which is actually NOT a first name, but rather an honorific) Syed. The title Syed(Sayid, etc.) signifies that the bearer is (supposedly) a direct descendant of Mohammed. This has created a lot of confusion in the media as to who is who.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Those medals he won sound like the old "Army Achievement Medal" from back when I was in the Army Reserve, i.e., the kind of award everyone with a pulse gets. He was a desk jockey on an aircraft carrier.
    , @WhatEvvs
    "His awards include the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal and Global War on Terrorism Service Medal."

    You gotta be kidding me.
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  20. Married “American” woman involved in terrorist activity is very unexpected. Woman had 6-month-old baby, even stranger yet. Target of terrorist attack was a facility that provided services to disabled people (wait, what?). San Bernadino seems a strange target of Jihad e.g., http://www.lukeford.net/blog/?p=69736 . What’s really going on here?

    Frankly, it sounds made up:

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    It's kind of like a terrorist attack on the Dunder-Mifflin regional sales office.
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  21. But in their last moments, with the police in pursuit of the rented sport utility vehicle Mr. Farook was driving, Ms. Malik aimed and fired a rifle out the back of the car. Before the couple were killed, the authorities said, they unloaded 76 rounds at the police and injured two officers.

    If Bonnie and Clyde were made today with a diverse cast it would look like this!

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  22. @SPMoore8
    The visual identity of "Tashfeen Malik" is complicated by the fact that apparently Syed Farook has a brother who is a US Navy veteran who is married to a Russian born woman (Tatiana Farook) who is, actually, quite a babe. My photo posted earlier today, which I found on an Australian site, is apparently of her and the "other" brother who has the same first name, Syed.

    I think we are finally getting some clarity here since some seem to be distancing themselves from the identification of Tatiana as "Tashfeen Malik", which I have found in other sources as a legit Arabic (male) name for a famous Jihadist from the 12th Century. (I had reversed the letters earlier, but in Arabic script it is "Tashfeen".)

    Here are a two new links, as before, for what it's worth, and maybe, not much:

    From the more or less reputable Daily Mail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345337/Brother-San-Bernardino-gunman-decorated-Navy-veteran-honored-role-war-terror.html

    From the unknown provenance "Daily Entertainment":

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/breaking-news/tatiana-farook-ca-shooter-syed-raheel-farooks-wife/

    An older link from a Palestinian journo: http://shoebat.com/2015/12/03/88818/

    Again, I stress this is still very confused, and provisional. But it's out there.

    It would be nice to have a confirmation of the wife and her actions.

    All the males in the family have the first name (which is actually NOT a first name, but rather an honorific) Syed. The title Syed(Sayid, etc.) signifies that the bearer is (supposedly) a direct descendant of Mohammed. This has created a lot of confusion in the media as to who is who.

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    Don't you mean "direct male-line descendant" of Mohamed? Because everyone on the planet is a direct descendant of the man.
    , @Abe

    All the males in the family have the first name (which is actually NOT a first name, but rather an honorific) Syed. The title Syed(Sayid, etc.) signifies that the bearer is (supposedly) a direct descendant of Mohammed. This has created a lot of confusion in the media as to who is who.
     
    14 years after 9/11 and the snarkmeister journo dweebs still falling for the Arabic version of Seymour Butz and the Urdu analog of Hugh G. Rection.
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  23. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Perhaps they just wanted to become the new Bonnie and Clyde!

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  24. Keep in mind that the late Ms. Farook had a six month old baby while she was blasting away at the cops like Machine Gun Kelly.

    That Ms. Farook was most likely the russian wife of his brother. Check out her pictures here:

    http://shoebat.com/2015/12/03/88818/

    And this is most likely her dead body after the shootout:

    That is clearly a white female. This mixup may explain why no pictures of the pakistani Ms Farook are available yet.

    Edit: SPMoore beat me to it

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  25. He described himself as a health, safety and environmental inspector

    No, he described him self as a …

    health,safety and envorimental inspector

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  26. @Jack D
    All the males in the family have the first name (which is actually NOT a first name, but rather an honorific) Syed. The title Syed(Sayid, etc.) signifies that the bearer is (supposedly) a direct descendant of Mohammed. This has created a lot of confusion in the media as to who is who.

    Don’t you mean “direct male-line descendant” of Mohamed? Because everyone on the planet is a direct descendant of the man.

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  27. The presence of this guy at the christmas party (or something he said or did) clearly provoked the attack:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344350/Devout-Muslim-citizen-Saudi-wife-living-American-Dream-identified-heavily-armed-duo-burst-office-holiday-party-slaughtered-14-leaving-baby-mother.html

    The radicalized San Bernardino gunman clashed with a Jewish co-worker over religion just two weeks before he and his Pakistani wife stormed an office holiday party where they massacred 14 people……Syed Farook, 28, got into a heated argument with colleague Nicholas Thalasinos, a Messianic Jew who was identified today as one of the victims of Wednesday’s rampage……it is unclear if the earlier argument between Farook and Thalasinos played any role in the massacre – but authorities said Farook had left the party ‘angry’.

    both men worked as county restaurant inspectors and regularly discussed politics and religion. Thalasinos was passionate about pro-Israel causes and was known to rant about Islam on Facebook. The New York Post reported that Thalasinos’ Facebook page was filled with negative comments about Muslims and references to his conservative beliefs.

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    If true, I think this is the most plausible explanation. Basically a Clash of Civilizations episode with free speaking American/Jewish culture meeting and colliding with Paki/Muslim culture celebrating Charlie Hebdo/Satanic Verses type delicate sensitivities leading to Supernova.
    , @J1234

    Syed Farook, 28, got into a heated argument with colleague Nicholas Thalasinos, a Messianic Jew
     
    Yeah, I'm guessing that's what triggered the incident. The ball got rolling, however, with radicalization.
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  28. Leftist conservative [AKA "radical_centrist"] says: • Website

    this supports what I have been saying for years–people who want to emigrate to a foreign land thousands of miles away and leave their families and friends behind, these people are often greedy, or just jerks, sociopaths, or mentally unstable or have some mental illness such as incipient schizophrenia or bipolar. Immigrants are often biological machines that don’t work quite right. These are often people who don’t have many friends and whose family dislikes them. Quite often, not always, there is something wrong with them, which explains why they couldn’t make it in their homeland.

    I say drop immigration to a mere pittance–doctors, nurses, scientists, that is the only sort of people we need.

    If we were really smart, the US govt would fund training hospitals in third world nations, and take in as immigrants a substantial portion of the doctor and nurse grads thereof. These grads could work here 10 years and then stay or go home. Supply and demand? Healthcare costs? But that would be too smart, and it would serve the interests of the working class. And the USA is not about that at all.

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    one more thing--not only are many immigrants mentally "off", but just living in a foreign land may tend to make immigrants develop mental problems, especially if they are having financial or family or emotional issues. Isolation among those who are different from you is stressful, in and of itself. Thus immigrants may be prone to violence.

    Immigration is just generally NOT a good thing, despite those at the top of society who praise it because immigration makes them richer because it increases the size of the herd of human livestock they exploit.

    , @Former Darfur
    If we were really smart, the US govt would fund training hospitals in third world nations, and take in as immigrants a substantial portion of the doctor and nurse grads thereof. These grads could work here 10 years and then stay or go home. Supply and demand? Healthcare costs? But that would be too smart, and it would serve the interests of the working class. And the USA is not about that at all.

    If any substantial part of any third world nation were trainable as doctors, one, would it even BE a third world nation, and two, wouldn't it equally be feasible to train as doctors a more substantial fraction of the Americans who would be willing to go to medical school were more slots available and were the debt burden not so insane?

    Indeed, it might be better to send more Americans overseas to European med schools and let them do part of their residency there and part here.
    , @Unzerker

    If we were really smart, the US govt would fund training hospitals in third world nations, and take in as immigrants a substantial portion of the doctor and nurse grads thereof.
     
    If you were really smart you would train your own doctors.
    In fact, you should make the education very affordable and train too many of them so their wages go down. Healthcare is insanely expensive in the US.
    , @JSM
    I say drop immigration to a mere pittance–doctors, nurses, scientists, that is the only sort of people we need.

    I say drop immigration to zero. Doctors, nurses, scientists who are well-paid native-born White Americans, that is the only sort we need.
    , @Mike1
    You sound like you are in need of a psch eval yourself. Your argument implies that almost every US citizen is a direct descendant of someone with serious mental issues.

    In your case I suspect this is accurate.
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  29. This could be bad news for Hillary Clinton. Because:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma_Abedin

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  30. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…there’s no good reason why America should have policies that let in so many crummy people…”

    OT, but relevant to let in people and the blank slate fallacy:

    “Interventions may temporarily raise kids’ IQs, but there is fadeout over time, A meta-analysis shows that the beneficial effects of interventions to raise intelligence in young children fade over time”, University of California – Santa Barbara, December 3, 2015 (via ScienceDaily):

    “…The winner of a decades-old debate about what scientists call the fadeout effectone of the most persistent research mysteries in intelligence and psychological development — may finally have been decided.

    …Following a meta-analysis of experimental methods to determine whether or not the benefits of early interactions designed to raise intelligence remain over time, UC Santa Barbara postdoctoral researcher John Protzko found that the positive effects on intelligence actually diminish after a particular intervention ends. Protzko’s study marks the first quantitative analysis of the fadeout effect across nearly every known intervention that has attempted to improve early intelligence.

    The findings, which appear in the journal Intelligence, have important implications for the long-term benefits of programs such as Head Start…

    …”Many theories of cognitive development and the relationship between the environment and intelligence are not able to account for the fadeout effect,” said Protzko, who is a member of the META (Memory, Emotion, Thought, Awareness) Lab in the Department of Psychological & Brain Sciences at UCSB. “Reciprocal interaction models, for example, put forward that no such fading would occur. It turns out that when you raise children’s intelligence, they may not go out and select into new, more cognitively demanding environments. Other traits may be driving what environments children select into.” …

    …44 randomized controlled trials… Protzko analyzed for the study included a total of 7,584 young children.

    …those in the experimental groups lost their IQ gains, rather than the control group catching up. According to Protzko, this provides a clear demonstration that intelligence fades over time.

    “That actually tells us a lot about the role of the environment in the development of intelligence,” Protzko said. “It shows that intelligence is reactionary. While providing interventions will raise intelligence, once they’re over, intelligence reacts by adapting to the new, lesser demands.…” …

    …”If you take kids and put them in a Head Start program, for example, then they’ll be smarter and their academic achievement will be better,” Protzko added. “But when you take that away and put them back in with everybody else, they’re going to adapt to that new system. It doesn’t work in any permanent sort of way.” …”

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  31. @Jack D
    All the males in the family have the first name (which is actually NOT a first name, but rather an honorific) Syed. The title Syed(Sayid, etc.) signifies that the bearer is (supposedly) a direct descendant of Mohammed. This has created a lot of confusion in the media as to who is who.

    All the males in the family have the first name (which is actually NOT a first name, but rather an honorific) Syed. The title Syed(Sayid, etc.) signifies that the bearer is (supposedly) a direct descendant of Mohammed. This has created a lot of confusion in the media as to who is who.

    14 years after 9/11 and the snarkmeister journo dweebs still falling for the Arabic version of Seymour Butz and the Urdu analog of Hugh G. Rection.

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  32. Victor Venegas, who lives across the street, once owned a small trucking company for which the elder Syed Farook worked as an independent contractor. He owned an 18-wheeler, Mr. Venegas said.

    Where did this country get people good enough to drive trucks and inspect crappy restaurants before we had Pakistani immigrants?

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  33. @Harry Baldwin
    President Obama made one of his odd pronouncements today: "For those who are concerned about terrorism, some may be aware of the fact that we have a no-fly list where people can’t get on planes, but those same people that we don’t allow to fly could go into stores in the United States and buy a firearm and there’s nothing we could do to stop them."

    Was Farook Syed on the no-fly list? Apparently not, since he flew to Saudi Arabia not long ago. So what's your point, Mr. President?

    The no-fly list is notoriously flawed, as people are hassled because their name is similar to one on the list. Famously, Teddy Kennedy once had trouble boarding a flight because there was a "T. Kennedy" on the list. Of course, if confusion over names prevented law-abiding citizens from purchasing firearms, that would be a plus in Obama's mind.

    Obama is exercising a key characteristic of leftist privilege. If you are a leftist you do not have to conform to the (white-Western) strictures of logic or incorporate the facts at hand into your response.

    There were guns involved (pipe-bombs? no problem). Therefore disarming non-Muslims will ‘improve the odds’ of survival in a Muslim attack. Just like it did in Paris.

    Buck O’Fama.

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  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    So despicable Drudge has big headline tonight:

    THEY’RE HERE

    …this is Drudge who was fanatically open borders until about 2011. Really Drudge was neocon left wing (phony opposition) right up until the murder of Breitbart and then Hastings.

    This skunk Drudge wanted these muslims in America and every other kind of alien immigrant also. The whole point is to drown the core people of the USA.

    PS Jack, I think the Farook/Farouk name points to Muhammad. The Sayid/Said/Syed name is El Cid in Spain believe it’s a word meaning “lord” or “chief”

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  35. @SPMoore8
    The visual identity of "Tashfeen Malik" is complicated by the fact that apparently Syed Farook has a brother who is a US Navy veteran who is married to a Russian born woman (Tatiana Farook) who is, actually, quite a babe. My photo posted earlier today, which I found on an Australian site, is apparently of her and the "other" brother who has the same first name, Syed.

    I think we are finally getting some clarity here since some seem to be distancing themselves from the identification of Tatiana as "Tashfeen Malik", which I have found in other sources as a legit Arabic (male) name for a famous Jihadist from the 12th Century. (I had reversed the letters earlier, but in Arabic script it is "Tashfeen".)

    Here are a two new links, as before, for what it's worth, and maybe, not much:

    From the more or less reputable Daily Mail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345337/Brother-San-Bernardino-gunman-decorated-Navy-veteran-honored-role-war-terror.html

    From the unknown provenance "Daily Entertainment":

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/breaking-news/tatiana-farook-ca-shooter-syed-raheel-farooks-wife/

    An older link from a Palestinian journo: http://shoebat.com/2015/12/03/88818/

    Again, I stress this is still very confused, and provisional. But it's out there.

    It would be nice to have a confirmation of the wife and her actions.

    Those medals he won sound like the old “Army Achievement Medal” from back when I was in the Army Reserve, i.e., the kind of award everyone with a pulse gets. He was a desk jockey on an aircraft carrier.

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  36. @Trelane
    Married "American" woman involved in terrorist activity is very unexpected. Woman had 6-month-old baby, even stranger yet. Target of terrorist attack was a facility that provided services to disabled people (wait, what?). San Bernadino seems a strange target of Jihad e.g., http://www.lukeford.net/blog/?p=69736 . What's really going on here?

    Frankly, it sounds made up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vprlc6Jcm74

    It’s kind of like a terrorist attack on the Dunder-Mifflin regional sales office.

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  37. @Hepp
    Like all of Steve's ideas, it'll never happen.

    One thing I've come to realize is that non-discrimination is a sacred value. It's not only one value to be balanced against others. It's the first principle, and can never be questioned.

    Want to cut back on Muslim immigration? Extremist! Reasonable people would rather have mass surveillance and never-ending war.

    I watched too much Fox News today. There's this fool named Greg Gutfeld, who is always telling us Islamic extremism is the greatest threat to mankind, something our children will worry about on a daily basis. He fancies himself some sort of brave truth teller, and his mockery of campus leftists is occasionally entertaining. But he never, ever brings up immigration when talking about this supposedly greatest threat in the history of mankind.

    It's truly depressing. We need Trump for the cultural change it'll bring. When the president is offending every group under the sun, maybe we'll have our own perestroika. As things stand, the sacred principle can't be questioned, and if not Trump (and it's a long shot)I don't know what will ever wake the country up out of its stupor.

    You’re right. Gutfeld can be amusing, but he’ll never stray from the neocon reservation. BTW, he hates Trump, as all the Fox commentators were no doubt advised to.

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    BTW, he hates Trump, as all the Fox commentators were no doubt advised to.

     

    Hannity is actually pro-Trump. He always defends him when others criticize, and I heard him say he's one of the three Republicans he's thinking about supporting. He used to give Ann Coulter a platform too, before she said the thing about the Jews and stopped being allowed on TV.
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  38. @anon

    Soon, however, he stormed out in anger. The nature of the dispute was not clear, but when he returned with his wife, both of them were dressed in tactical gear and carrying assault rifles, officials said.
     
    They keep saying that the reason for the dispute wasn't clear, but was that written before the whole Messianic Judaism story came out?

    www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344350/Devout-Muslim-citizen-Saudi-wife-living-American-Dream-identified-heavily-armed-duo-burst-office-holiday-party-slaughtered-14-leaving-baby-mother.html

    LA Times has profiles of all victims. All races and ethnicities. And specified that Farook got on well with the Jewish guy.

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    Not really. He got into arguments with the messianic (Jews for Jesus) Jewish guy with the Greek last name about whether Islam was a violent religion, whether Jews belonged in Israel etc. I guess he proved his point. But it really was a tossed salad of ethnicities they killed. Including a Catholic girl whose family fled Iran in 1979. That struck me as incredibly sad.
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  39. If you’re letting two million non-whites in every year, more than a few of them are going to be like the non-kings Farook. No Immigration Safety Board can prevent that. Quantity is the problem, for this and other reasons.

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  40. Americans love fantasy football — why not use a similar approach? Have an online “draft” of prospective immigrants, with each having a “card” showing their photo, country of origin, level of English proficiency, religion, education/skills, etc. The whole process could be self-funding: in addition to prospective immigrants’ fees, American citizens could pay $10 or $100 or whatever to draft a team of immigrants. Pics that get green cards win points for them by becoming net tax payers, and lose points by breaking the law or going on welfare.

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  41. @jJay
    When the Ansar al-Din group invaded the the Radisson Blu Hotel in Mali’s capital, Bamako occupants were asked to recite some verses from the Koran. Those who could were set free. We could have the NISQB reject any applicant who could recite a few versus from the Koran but that would be an unwieldy test to administer and disqualify people for just knowing something.

    It's probably best to give immigration an across the board rest for a while.

    Ask them to spit on a Koran or stomp on an image of Muhammed.

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    that has been my idea, too. It would have been especially a good policy for refugees in Germany this year. You fear for your life? You want to live on the extremely generous welfare? All good, but first say you don´t believe in Islam and burn some Korans.
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  42. Yep.

    Truck driving.

    Another job Americans can’t or won’t do.

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  43. @Lugash
    A day and half since the shooting and no pics of International Missus Martyrdom Mystery Malik. Shouldn't the federal government have her picture on file as part of the greencard process? Wouldn't it be a good idea for them to release it, so if someone had seen her doing something sketchy they could report it?

    A day and half since the shooting and no pics of International Missus Martyrdom Mystery Malik.

    I am guessing she was caught alive and is currently being pressured to reveal details about their terrorist plans (why else would they have accumulated all those pipe bombs).

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  44. @Harry Baldwin
    You're right. Gutfeld can be amusing, but he'll never stray from the neocon reservation. BTW, he hates Trump, as all the Fox commentators were no doubt advised to.

    BTW, he hates Trump, as all the Fox commentators were no doubt advised to.

    Hannity is actually pro-Trump. He always defends him when others criticize, and I heard him say he’s one of the three Republicans he’s thinking about supporting. He used to give Ann Coulter a platform too, before she said the thing about the Jews and stopped being allowed on TV.

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  45. @Hepp
    Like all of Steve's ideas, it'll never happen.

    One thing I've come to realize is that non-discrimination is a sacred value. It's not only one value to be balanced against others. It's the first principle, and can never be questioned.

    Want to cut back on Muslim immigration? Extremist! Reasonable people would rather have mass surveillance and never-ending war.

    I watched too much Fox News today. There's this fool named Greg Gutfeld, who is always telling us Islamic extremism is the greatest threat to mankind, something our children will worry about on a daily basis. He fancies himself some sort of brave truth teller, and his mockery of campus leftists is occasionally entertaining. But he never, ever brings up immigration when talking about this supposedly greatest threat in the history of mankind.

    It's truly depressing. We need Trump for the cultural change it'll bring. When the president is offending every group under the sun, maybe we'll have our own perestroika. As things stand, the sacred principle can't be questioned, and if not Trump (and it's a long shot)I don't know what will ever wake the country up out of its stupor.

    Serious question,
    Women have run the social/political show for decades now. They have made great strides protecting women at home and in the workplace.
    Serious question,
    How can they justify/agree with allowing the immigration of the most patriarchal, domestically violent, woman hating culture of men, into their country ?
    Does multiculturalism exceed feminism ?

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    In my night thoughts I wonder if a plurality of white Western women find at least the notion of being brutalized by Muslims exciting. Houellebecq mentioned this in passing in one of his novels (not Submission).
    , @Hepp

    Serious question,
    Women have run the social/political show for decades now. They have made great strides protecting women at home and in the workplace.
    Serious question,
    How can they justify/agree with allowing the immigration of the most patriarchal, domestically violent, woman hating culture of men, into their country ?
    Does multiculturalism exceed feminism ?
     
    Well, to give you a serious answer, they probably would say that if we import patriarchal cultures, then they can become more like us. And it's true I suppose that a Pakistani woman who moves to the US will on average be freer than if she stayed in her own country. Conservatives may think that makes the country more patriarchal. But leftists don't think in terms of the good of the country, so they wouldn't really care about that.
    , @DWB
    For a possible answer, simply check this blog for "Diversity Pokemon Points."

    Certain protected classes are more protected than others.
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  46. @Bliss
    The presence of this guy at the christmas party (or something he said or did) clearly provoked the attack:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344350/Devout-Muslim-citizen-Saudi-wife-living-American-Dream-identified-heavily-armed-duo-burst-office-holiday-party-slaughtered-14-leaving-baby-mother.html

    "The radicalized San Bernardino gunman clashed with a Jewish co-worker over religion just two weeks before he and his Pakistani wife stormed an office holiday party where they massacred 14 people......Syed Farook, 28, got into a heated argument with colleague Nicholas Thalasinos, a Messianic Jew who was identified today as one of the victims of Wednesday’s rampage......it is unclear if the earlier argument between Farook and Thalasinos played any role in the massacre – but authorities said Farook had left the party ‘angry’.

    both men worked as county restaurant inspectors and regularly discussed politics and religion. Thalasinos was passionate about pro-Israel causes and was known to rant about Islam on Facebook. The New York Post reported that Thalasinos' Facebook page was filled with negative comments about Muslims and references to his conservative beliefs."

    If true, I think this is the most plausible explanation. Basically a Clash of Civilizations episode with free speaking American/Jewish culture meeting and colliding with Paki/Muslim culture celebrating Charlie Hebdo/Satanic Verses type delicate sensitivities leading to Supernova.

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  47. Leftist conservative [AKA "radical_centrist"] says: • Website
    @Leftist conservative
    this supports what I have been saying for years--people who want to emigrate to a foreign land thousands of miles away and leave their families and friends behind, these people are often greedy, or just jerks, sociopaths, or mentally unstable or have some mental illness such as incipient schizophrenia or bipolar. Immigrants are often biological machines that don't work quite right. These are often people who don't have many friends and whose family dislikes them. Quite often, not always, there is something wrong with them, which explains why they couldn't make it in their homeland.

    I say drop immigration to a mere pittance--doctors, nurses, scientists, that is the only sort of people we need.

    If we were really smart, the US govt would fund training hospitals in third world nations, and take in as immigrants a substantial portion of the doctor and nurse grads thereof. These grads could work here 10 years and then stay or go home. Supply and demand? Healthcare costs? But that would be too smart, and it would serve the interests of the working class. And the USA is not about that at all.

    one more thing–not only are many immigrants mentally “off”, but just living in a foreign land may tend to make immigrants develop mental problems, especially if they are having financial or family or emotional issues. Isolation among those who are different from you is stressful, in and of itself. Thus immigrants may be prone to violence.

    Immigration is just generally NOT a good thing, despite those at the top of society who praise it because immigration makes them richer because it increases the size of the herd of human livestock they exploit.

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    Syed (the terrorist, not the Navy brother) actually was insane. I think he responded to his violent upbringing by continuing the tradition. This was jihad, but it was also insanity. It's possible for it to be both.

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali wrote in her book Infidel that physical abuse is common in the Muslim world and was epidemic in KSA, where she spent some time.

    Hilary Mantel wrote a book a long time ago called Eight Months on Gaza Street, about her time as an expat in KSA. It's so horrible, it is literally impossible to describe. You would want to be almost anywhere else than there. Maybe it's better than New Guinea, but not by much. The mental imprisonment is hard to fathom.
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  48. @Lot
    I'm thinking that this graduate of Cal State Bardoo is an argument for some drastic changes to the Cal State system.

    Mostly these schools need to drastically cut their class size. There is no point to using scarce resources on someone who is a native speaker of English but is unable to spell common words or use periods and commas.

    I've seen plenty of examples of writing by people up and down the IQ curve. This is someone in the low 80's, or how someone with a 100 IQ writes around age 14.

    Californians with high IQs, but a little outside that needed for our top tier public schools like Berkeley, or have responsibilities that stop them from attending one, ought to have a place to go that is not crowded by idiots like this.

    These students go to Cal State schools anyway, but they have to endure rapidly increasing tuition and classes so crowded it is very hard to register for the classes you need to graduate in four years.

    I say this tentatively and probably your experience undermines mine, but I completely and profoundly disagree about the diagnostic force of writing samples.

    Plenty of more than average IQ people read nothing but instructions or such ever at all, and when such people write letters say to their baby momma from a prison cell, the product will sometimes state things effectively like a list is effective but would always be more effective as an actual list, treating words as hieroglyphics with headings: lunch ham apple sauce bread rec basketball lost won lost fun tv BET tupac jay z, and on and on. Joyce demonstrated exactly how efficient this was, especially when you live, as modernity increasingly has, in a world of so many different objects, which was a clever way to make several points, above all probably about the water as fishes we do not conceive.

    But actually you will find that these men nary attempt to describe anything they have been up to at all, and entirely go about emoting, over and over and over. This appears not as drivel but as a child desperately crying. Every time that’s what it comes out to, and they have no idea that’s what it looks like because they don’t read. The only thing people who do not know how to write can effectively string together in sentences are their emotions, especially when the emotion is pure love midst profound loneliness, and you will find that to be exactly what poets universally begin by writing about—what other emotion really inspires message? Again these are men with IQs 100 and up to even 115 and probably up and up and up.

    But, an interesting thing occurs when music appears. Declarative statement about action comes to the fore, narration gets a footing, and descriptions flourish. What most young alpha black men do in prison is write poetry, and recite it to each other, and get very happy and excited about the good stuff. And they do this for hours on end. Remember, the Odyssey and Illiad were sung at first, and would not exist but for music by instinct.

    Then, since we may say writing style has objectively evolved, such that the best writing has long looked nothing like the spoken speech of anyone alive, by deduction it follows that writing skill past a point is 100 percent about what you read and how deeply you do, since style must be assimilated before it can be augmented. The point past which this obtains is supposedly absolute, and was so apparent that it needed a new word: Prose. In the beginning, as Joyce cleverly made a ring out of, words were chiseled strictly as lists. (forget whose lists we have) More than one thousand years later, writing came along. When it became prose is a matter of taste really, until you can pin down function. This suggests a principle that is pregnant: properly speaking, writing is a technologically, not a mode of speaking, and that distinction has real implications about how well it can be mastered, if we can say something about the faculty needed to master it. Which returns the issue to reading.

    Lets say of men with IQs of 140 who read for enjoyment, the books they most enjoy reading are on the level of John Grisham. Of course they would never admit that, not a single one of them maybe, but I would wager gold that is so true as to be nearly comprehensively true. (Self-deception is operative of course, because what we most enjoy we rarely realize conceptually or care to admit, ever maybe save the insane, or sanctified.) That gets at what one would mean by reading deeply, because that’s what the enjoyment of reading is like, to deeply enjoy the writing, which is how styles of writing are assimilated, internalized as steve would say, by being enraptured by words consecutively limned to some meaningful effect so much that you really are imbibing them like wine. But to a stupor you get to retain somehow, attending as well the ability to recall. That recall manifests when you set keel to breaker, pen to paper, and ring out some effect.

    So the issue of who can write how well depends on how much you enjoy reading, and the advancement of writing would appear to depend on how well you enjoy the most advanced writing, your reading habit and your taste that is, which seems too elegant to be wrong. But I’m just spouting, rather mashing what I learned from listening to Joe Sobran speak of so many things on many long smoky nights, and from him finding his greatest champion, the critic Hugh Kenner, who I cannot recommend enough. My own speculation is a certainty of mine I know I don’t know, an intuition I guess, that there are plenty of black men with IQs of say 90, who could make a contribution to the advancement of writing style, if some master penned a work of some length on a subject they could really get down with. IQ doesn’t correlate with musical ability and I’m pretty sure that’s why it doesn’t correlate with writing ability, if we could see the truth we should care about most, if you believe words and human nature have a deep tie, as I do.

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    Grisham's writing is among the most hackneyed imaginable, unoriginal and cliched. The sentences are banal in their predictability. Maybe intelligent people read him, but only for the enjoyment of rewriting every sentence on the fly to something improved and more original, an amazingly easy process. I suppose these are best sold as airport distractions, escape from the unease of takeoff and landings. For that, mediocre predictability is a virtue. The price is no longer a penny with the cost of paper, but dreadful is an apt epithet.
    , @Former Darfur
    You must be shitting me.
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  49. @pb
    Ask them to spit on a Koran or stomp on an image of Muhammed.

    that has been my idea, too. It would have been especially a good policy for refugees in Germany this year. You fear for your life? You want to live on the extremely generous welfare? All good, but first say you don´t believe in Islam and burn some Korans.

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  50. Since he brought it up, I’d like to know who the hell let Machine Gun Kelly’s parents in the country.

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    Since he brought it up, I’d like to know who the hell let Machine Gun Kelly’s parents in the country.

     

    Or Andrew Kehoe's. Look him up.
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  51. @Leftist conservative
    this supports what I have been saying for years--people who want to emigrate to a foreign land thousands of miles away and leave their families and friends behind, these people are often greedy, or just jerks, sociopaths, or mentally unstable or have some mental illness such as incipient schizophrenia or bipolar. Immigrants are often biological machines that don't work quite right. These are often people who don't have many friends and whose family dislikes them. Quite often, not always, there is something wrong with them, which explains why they couldn't make it in their homeland.

    I say drop immigration to a mere pittance--doctors, nurses, scientists, that is the only sort of people we need.

    If we were really smart, the US govt would fund training hospitals in third world nations, and take in as immigrants a substantial portion of the doctor and nurse grads thereof. These grads could work here 10 years and then stay or go home. Supply and demand? Healthcare costs? But that would be too smart, and it would serve the interests of the working class. And the USA is not about that at all.

    If we were really smart, the US govt would fund training hospitals in third world nations, and take in as immigrants a substantial portion of the doctor and nurse grads thereof. These grads could work here 10 years and then stay or go home. Supply and demand? Healthcare costs? But that would be too smart, and it would serve the interests of the working class. And the USA is not about that at all.

    If any substantial part of any third world nation were trainable as doctors, one, would it even BE a third world nation, and two, wouldn’t it equally be feasible to train as doctors a more substantial fraction of the Americans who would be willing to go to medical school were more slots available and were the debt burden not so insane?

    Indeed, it might be better to send more Americans overseas to European med schools and let them do part of their residency there and part here.

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  52. @Pat Casey
    I say this tentatively and probably your experience undermines mine, but I completely and profoundly disagree about the diagnostic force of writing samples.

    Plenty of more than average IQ people read nothing but instructions or such ever at all, and when such people write letters say to their baby momma from a prison cell, the product will sometimes state things effectively like a list is effective but would always be more effective as an actual list, treating words as hieroglyphics with headings: lunch ham apple sauce bread rec basketball lost won lost fun tv BET tupac jay z, and on and on. Joyce demonstrated exactly how efficient this was, especially when you live, as modernity increasingly has, in a world of so many different objects, which was a clever way to make several points, above all probably about the water as fishes we do not conceive.

    But actually you will find that these men nary attempt to describe anything they have been up to at all, and entirely go about emoting, over and over and over. This appears not as drivel but as a child desperately crying. Every time that's what it comes out to, and they have no idea that's what it looks like because they don't read. The only thing people who do not know how to write can effectively string together in sentences are their emotions, especially when the emotion is pure love midst profound loneliness, and you will find that to be exactly what poets universally begin by writing about---what other emotion really inspires message? Again these are men with IQs 100 and up to even 115 and probably up and up and up.

    But, an interesting thing occurs when music appears. Declarative statement about action comes to the fore, narration gets a footing, and descriptions flourish. What most young alpha black men do in prison is write poetry, and recite it to each other, and get very happy and excited about the good stuff. And they do this for hours on end. Remember, the Odyssey and Illiad were sung at first, and would not exist but for music by instinct.

    Then, since we may say writing style has objectively evolved, such that the best writing has long looked nothing like the spoken speech of anyone alive, by deduction it follows that writing skill past a point is 100 percent about what you read and how deeply you do, since style must be assimilated before it can be augmented. The point past which this obtains is supposedly absolute, and was so apparent that it needed a new word: Prose. In the beginning, as Joyce cleverly made a ring out of, words were chiseled strictly as lists. (forget whose lists we have) More than one thousand years later, writing came along. When it became prose is a matter of taste really, until you can pin down function. This suggests a principle that is pregnant: properly speaking, writing is a technologically, not a mode of speaking, and that distinction has real implications about how well it can be mastered, if we can say something about the faculty needed to master it. Which returns the issue to reading.

    Lets say of men with IQs of 140 who read for enjoyment, the books they most enjoy reading are on the level of John Grisham. Of course they would never admit that, not a single one of them maybe, but I would wager gold that is so true as to be nearly comprehensively true. (Self-deception is operative of course, because what we most enjoy we rarely realize conceptually or care to admit, ever maybe save the insane, or sanctified.) That gets at what one would mean by reading deeply, because that's what the enjoyment of reading is like, to deeply enjoy the writing, which is how styles of writing are assimilated, internalized as steve would say, by being enraptured by words consecutively limned to some meaningful effect so much that you really are imbibing them like wine. But to a stupor you get to retain somehow, attending as well the ability to recall. That recall manifests when you set keel to breaker, pen to paper, and ring out some effect.

    So the issue of who can write how well depends on how much you enjoy reading, and the advancement of writing would appear to depend on how well you enjoy the most advanced writing, your reading habit and your taste that is, which seems too elegant to be wrong. But I'm just spouting, rather mashing what I learned from listening to Joe Sobran speak of so many things on many long smoky nights, and from him finding his greatest champion, the critic Hugh Kenner, who I cannot recommend enough. My own speculation is a certainty of mine I know I don't know, an intuition I guess, that there are plenty of black men with IQs of say 90, who could make a contribution to the advancement of writing style, if some master penned a work of some length on a subject they could really get down with. IQ doesn't correlate with musical ability and I'm pretty sure that's why it doesn't correlate with writing ability, if we could see the truth we should care about most, if you believe words and human nature have a deep tie, as I do.

    Grisham’s writing is among the most hackneyed imaginable, unoriginal and cliched. The sentences are banal in their predictability. Maybe intelligent people read him, but only for the enjoyment of rewriting every sentence on the fly to something improved and more original, an amazingly easy process. I suppose these are best sold as airport distractions, escape from the unease of takeoff and landings. For that, mediocre predictability is a virtue. The price is no longer a penny with the cost of paper, but dreadful is an apt epithet.

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    Maybe intelligent people read him, but only for the enjoyment of rewriting every sentence on the fly to something improved and more original, an amazingly easy process.
     
    I am an intelligent person, at least I exceed the criterion Pat Casey gave, but it is completely alien to me the idea of being conscious of how poorly written a story I am reading is, let alone taking pleasure in rewriting it in my head.

    This might explain why I struggle to write a coherent sentence.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Grisham’s writing is among the most hackneyed imaginable, unoriginal and cliched. The sentences are banal in their predictability. Maybe intelligent people read him…
     
    I went to a community-ed writer's class given by a woman with experience in the publishing business, albeit on the outer edges of it. She got our attention by saying John Grisham was an absolutely terrible writer. The she paused… and added, "…but he's a great storyteller." I've never read Grisham, but know the phenomenon well from a couple of Stephen King novels and a few short stories.

    One writer blurbed on a recent James Patterson book, you don't get that big without serious storytelling chops.

    Readers can be quite forgiving of sloppy language when the pages turn easily.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I suppose these are best sold as airport distractions, escape from the unease of takeoff and landings
     
    Surveys constantly show that takeoffs and landings are far less fraught than is the boarding process. Maybe they should try Judas goats.
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  53. @Pat Casey
    I say this tentatively and probably your experience undermines mine, but I completely and profoundly disagree about the diagnostic force of writing samples.

    Plenty of more than average IQ people read nothing but instructions or such ever at all, and when such people write letters say to their baby momma from a prison cell, the product will sometimes state things effectively like a list is effective but would always be more effective as an actual list, treating words as hieroglyphics with headings: lunch ham apple sauce bread rec basketball lost won lost fun tv BET tupac jay z, and on and on. Joyce demonstrated exactly how efficient this was, especially when you live, as modernity increasingly has, in a world of so many different objects, which was a clever way to make several points, above all probably about the water as fishes we do not conceive.

    But actually you will find that these men nary attempt to describe anything they have been up to at all, and entirely go about emoting, over and over and over. This appears not as drivel but as a child desperately crying. Every time that's what it comes out to, and they have no idea that's what it looks like because they don't read. The only thing people who do not know how to write can effectively string together in sentences are their emotions, especially when the emotion is pure love midst profound loneliness, and you will find that to be exactly what poets universally begin by writing about---what other emotion really inspires message? Again these are men with IQs 100 and up to even 115 and probably up and up and up.

    But, an interesting thing occurs when music appears. Declarative statement about action comes to the fore, narration gets a footing, and descriptions flourish. What most young alpha black men do in prison is write poetry, and recite it to each other, and get very happy and excited about the good stuff. And they do this for hours on end. Remember, the Odyssey and Illiad were sung at first, and would not exist but for music by instinct.

    Then, since we may say writing style has objectively evolved, such that the best writing has long looked nothing like the spoken speech of anyone alive, by deduction it follows that writing skill past a point is 100 percent about what you read and how deeply you do, since style must be assimilated before it can be augmented. The point past which this obtains is supposedly absolute, and was so apparent that it needed a new word: Prose. In the beginning, as Joyce cleverly made a ring out of, words were chiseled strictly as lists. (forget whose lists we have) More than one thousand years later, writing came along. When it became prose is a matter of taste really, until you can pin down function. This suggests a principle that is pregnant: properly speaking, writing is a technologically, not a mode of speaking, and that distinction has real implications about how well it can be mastered, if we can say something about the faculty needed to master it. Which returns the issue to reading.

    Lets say of men with IQs of 140 who read for enjoyment, the books they most enjoy reading are on the level of John Grisham. Of course they would never admit that, not a single one of them maybe, but I would wager gold that is so true as to be nearly comprehensively true. (Self-deception is operative of course, because what we most enjoy we rarely realize conceptually or care to admit, ever maybe save the insane, or sanctified.) That gets at what one would mean by reading deeply, because that's what the enjoyment of reading is like, to deeply enjoy the writing, which is how styles of writing are assimilated, internalized as steve would say, by being enraptured by words consecutively limned to some meaningful effect so much that you really are imbibing them like wine. But to a stupor you get to retain somehow, attending as well the ability to recall. That recall manifests when you set keel to breaker, pen to paper, and ring out some effect.

    So the issue of who can write how well depends on how much you enjoy reading, and the advancement of writing would appear to depend on how well you enjoy the most advanced writing, your reading habit and your taste that is, which seems too elegant to be wrong. But I'm just spouting, rather mashing what I learned from listening to Joe Sobran speak of so many things on many long smoky nights, and from him finding his greatest champion, the critic Hugh Kenner, who I cannot recommend enough. My own speculation is a certainty of mine I know I don't know, an intuition I guess, that there are plenty of black men with IQs of say 90, who could make a contribution to the advancement of writing style, if some master penned a work of some length on a subject they could really get down with. IQ doesn't correlate with musical ability and I'm pretty sure that's why it doesn't correlate with writing ability, if we could see the truth we should care about most, if you believe words and human nature have a deep tie, as I do.

    You must be shitting me.

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  54. Per this Wikipedia page, Pakistanis became ineligible for a ‘diversity visa’ in 2002 — that means they were presumably eligible before that, ie for more than 10 years (the ‘diversity visa’ was established in 1990), if perhaps off/on (due to the 50k provision). So they could potentially have gotten in that way — of course if this guy was 28 y/o and born in Illinois, as reported, then his parents came before that. But the point is they could have been admitted for no reason other than their contribution to ‘diversity’.

    I assume any discussion of a ‘National Immigration Safety and Quality Board’ is rhetorical — a country too stupid to get rid of something as absurd as a ‘diversity visa’ is never going to establish a ‘National Immigration Safety and Quality Board’.

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  55. @Leftist conservative
    this supports what I have been saying for years--people who want to emigrate to a foreign land thousands of miles away and leave their families and friends behind, these people are often greedy, or just jerks, sociopaths, or mentally unstable or have some mental illness such as incipient schizophrenia or bipolar. Immigrants are often biological machines that don't work quite right. These are often people who don't have many friends and whose family dislikes them. Quite often, not always, there is something wrong with them, which explains why they couldn't make it in their homeland.

    I say drop immigration to a mere pittance--doctors, nurses, scientists, that is the only sort of people we need.

    If we were really smart, the US govt would fund training hospitals in third world nations, and take in as immigrants a substantial portion of the doctor and nurse grads thereof. These grads could work here 10 years and then stay or go home. Supply and demand? Healthcare costs? But that would be too smart, and it would serve the interests of the working class. And the USA is not about that at all.

    If we were really smart, the US govt would fund training hospitals in third world nations, and take in as immigrants a substantial portion of the doctor and nurse grads thereof.

    If you were really smart you would train your own doctors.
    In fact, you should make the education very affordable and train too many of them so their wages go down. Healthcare is insanely expensive in the US.

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  56. How did allowing them in promote the general welfare you ask?

    Well, I for one am an adventurous eater, and I wouldn’t mind trying a nice tagine of unborn goat. I’ve had barbacoa tacos and goat masala. I guess the trade off in this case is too high.

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  57. @Fran Macadam
    Grisham's writing is among the most hackneyed imaginable, unoriginal and cliched. The sentences are banal in their predictability. Maybe intelligent people read him, but only for the enjoyment of rewriting every sentence on the fly to something improved and more original, an amazingly easy process. I suppose these are best sold as airport distractions, escape from the unease of takeoff and landings. For that, mediocre predictability is a virtue. The price is no longer a penny with the cost of paper, but dreadful is an apt epithet.

    Maybe intelligent people read him, but only for the enjoyment of rewriting every sentence on the fly to something improved and more original, an amazingly easy process.

    I am an intelligent person, at least I exceed the criterion Pat Casey gave, but it is completely alien to me the idea of being conscious of how poorly written a story I am reading is, let alone taking pleasure in rewriting it in my head.

    This might explain why I struggle to write a coherent sentence.

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  58. @Bliss
    The presence of this guy at the christmas party (or something he said or did) clearly provoked the attack:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344350/Devout-Muslim-citizen-Saudi-wife-living-American-Dream-identified-heavily-armed-duo-burst-office-holiday-party-slaughtered-14-leaving-baby-mother.html

    "The radicalized San Bernardino gunman clashed with a Jewish co-worker over religion just two weeks before he and his Pakistani wife stormed an office holiday party where they massacred 14 people......Syed Farook, 28, got into a heated argument with colleague Nicholas Thalasinos, a Messianic Jew who was identified today as one of the victims of Wednesday’s rampage......it is unclear if the earlier argument between Farook and Thalasinos played any role in the massacre – but authorities said Farook had left the party ‘angry’.

    both men worked as county restaurant inspectors and regularly discussed politics and religion. Thalasinos was passionate about pro-Israel causes and was known to rant about Islam on Facebook. The New York Post reported that Thalasinos' Facebook page was filled with negative comments about Muslims and references to his conservative beliefs."

    Syed Farook, 28, got into a heated argument with colleague Nicholas Thalasinos, a Messianic Jew

    Yeah, I’m guessing that’s what triggered the incident. The ball got rolling, however, with radicalization.

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  59. The “he was radicalized” meme trotted out endlessly by the MSM drives me nuts. It’s like these guy were “radicalized” like they caught pneumonia or something. But it avoids recognizing that these scumbags deliberately decided to kill a number of people because their religion told them to.

    I think I’m gonna start carrying all the time.

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  60. @Leftist conservative
    this supports what I have been saying for years--people who want to emigrate to a foreign land thousands of miles away and leave their families and friends behind, these people are often greedy, or just jerks, sociopaths, or mentally unstable or have some mental illness such as incipient schizophrenia or bipolar. Immigrants are often biological machines that don't work quite right. These are often people who don't have many friends and whose family dislikes them. Quite often, not always, there is something wrong with them, which explains why they couldn't make it in their homeland.

    I say drop immigration to a mere pittance--doctors, nurses, scientists, that is the only sort of people we need.

    If we were really smart, the US govt would fund training hospitals in third world nations, and take in as immigrants a substantial portion of the doctor and nurse grads thereof. These grads could work here 10 years and then stay or go home. Supply and demand? Healthcare costs? But that would be too smart, and it would serve the interests of the working class. And the USA is not about that at all.

    I say drop immigration to a mere pittance–doctors, nurses, scientists, that is the only sort of people we need.

    I say drop immigration to zero. Doctors, nurses, scientists who are well-paid native-born White Americans, that is the only sort we need.

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  61. @boogerbently
    Serious question,
    Women have run the social/political show for decades now. They have made great strides protecting women at home and in the workplace.
    Serious question,
    How can they justify/agree with allowing the immigration of the most patriarchal, domestically violent, woman hating culture of men, into their country ?
    Does multiculturalism exceed feminism ?

    In my night thoughts I wonder if a plurality of white Western women find at least the notion of being brutalized by Muslims exciting. Houellebecq mentioned this in passing in one of his novels (not Submission).

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  62. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @SPMoore8
    The visual identity of "Tashfeen Malik" is complicated by the fact that apparently Syed Farook has a brother who is a US Navy veteran who is married to a Russian born woman (Tatiana Farook) who is, actually, quite a babe. My photo posted earlier today, which I found on an Australian site, is apparently of her and the "other" brother who has the same first name, Syed.

    I think we are finally getting some clarity here since some seem to be distancing themselves from the identification of Tatiana as "Tashfeen Malik", which I have found in other sources as a legit Arabic (male) name for a famous Jihadist from the 12th Century. (I had reversed the letters earlier, but in Arabic script it is "Tashfeen".)

    Here are a two new links, as before, for what it's worth, and maybe, not much:

    From the more or less reputable Daily Mail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345337/Brother-San-Bernardino-gunman-decorated-Navy-veteran-honored-role-war-terror.html

    From the unknown provenance "Daily Entertainment":

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/breaking-news/tatiana-farook-ca-shooter-syed-raheel-farooks-wife/

    An older link from a Palestinian journo: http://shoebat.com/2015/12/03/88818/

    Again, I stress this is still very confused, and provisional. But it's out there.

    It would be nice to have a confirmation of the wife and her actions.

    “His awards include the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal and Global War on Terrorism Service Medal.”

    You gotta be kidding me.

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  63. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Leftist conservative
    one more thing--not only are many immigrants mentally "off", but just living in a foreign land may tend to make immigrants develop mental problems, especially if they are having financial or family or emotional issues. Isolation among those who are different from you is stressful, in and of itself. Thus immigrants may be prone to violence.

    Immigration is just generally NOT a good thing, despite those at the top of society who praise it because immigration makes them richer because it increases the size of the herd of human livestock they exploit.

    Syed (the terrorist, not the Navy brother) actually was insane. I think he responded to his violent upbringing by continuing the tradition. This was jihad, but it was also insanity. It’s possible for it to be both.

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali wrote in her book Infidel that physical abuse is common in the Muslim world and was epidemic in KSA, where she spent some time.

    Hilary Mantel wrote a book a long time ago called Eight Months on Gaza Street, about her time as an expat in KSA. It’s so horrible, it is literally impossible to describe. You would want to be almost anywhere else than there. Maybe it’s better than New Guinea, but not by much. The mental imprisonment is hard to fathom.

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  64. “The house was full of life, with goats and chickens raised in the backyard.”

    In other words it was a vibrant house. I foresee “full of life” joining the list of journalistic euphemisms for diverse shithole.

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  65. @boogerbently
    Serious question,
    Women have run the social/political show for decades now. They have made great strides protecting women at home and in the workplace.
    Serious question,
    How can they justify/agree with allowing the immigration of the most patriarchal, domestically violent, woman hating culture of men, into their country ?
    Does multiculturalism exceed feminism ?

    Serious question,
    Women have run the social/political show for decades now. They have made great strides protecting women at home and in the workplace.
    Serious question,
    How can they justify/agree with allowing the immigration of the most patriarchal, domestically violent, woman hating culture of men, into their country ?
    Does multiculturalism exceed feminism ?

    Well, to give you a serious answer, they probably would say that if we import patriarchal cultures, then they can become more like us. And it’s true I suppose that a Pakistani woman who moves to the US will on average be freer than if she stayed in her own country. Conservatives may think that makes the country more patriarchal. But leftists don’t think in terms of the good of the country, so they wouldn’t really care about that.

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  66. @Hepp
    Like all of Steve's ideas, it'll never happen.

    One thing I've come to realize is that non-discrimination is a sacred value. It's not only one value to be balanced against others. It's the first principle, and can never be questioned.

    Want to cut back on Muslim immigration? Extremist! Reasonable people would rather have mass surveillance and never-ending war.

    I watched too much Fox News today. There's this fool named Greg Gutfeld, who is always telling us Islamic extremism is the greatest threat to mankind, something our children will worry about on a daily basis. He fancies himself some sort of brave truth teller, and his mockery of campus leftists is occasionally entertaining. But he never, ever brings up immigration when talking about this supposedly greatest threat in the history of mankind.

    It's truly depressing. We need Trump for the cultural change it'll bring. When the president is offending every group under the sun, maybe we'll have our own perestroika. As things stand, the sacred principle can't be questioned, and if not Trump (and it's a long shot)I don't know what will ever wake the country up out of its stupor.

    Don’t watch Gutfeld. He is a tediously reliable neocon. He detests Trump and even said this week that people need to go after Trump supporters.

    Conservatives, the Right, or whatever you want to call it, desperately needs a network besides Fox. Fox has done a great disservice to the conservative movement after 9/11.

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    Gutfeld got trolled pretty hard by the best Trump parody account a couple of months back.
    https://twitter.com/Writeintrump/status/651501365668122624
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  67. One fascinating question about this that no one has brought up:

    What if the woman had been taken alive? She was apparently an extreme Muslim who went full niqab. Would the Obama administration have forced her to show her face in a trial? Or would they have said letting her cover herself the whole time was part of what makes us American?

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  68. @Leftist conservative
    this supports what I have been saying for years--people who want to emigrate to a foreign land thousands of miles away and leave their families and friends behind, these people are often greedy, or just jerks, sociopaths, or mentally unstable or have some mental illness such as incipient schizophrenia or bipolar. Immigrants are often biological machines that don't work quite right. These are often people who don't have many friends and whose family dislikes them. Quite often, not always, there is something wrong with them, which explains why they couldn't make it in their homeland.

    I say drop immigration to a mere pittance--doctors, nurses, scientists, that is the only sort of people we need.

    If we were really smart, the US govt would fund training hospitals in third world nations, and take in as immigrants a substantial portion of the doctor and nurse grads thereof. These grads could work here 10 years and then stay or go home. Supply and demand? Healthcare costs? But that would be too smart, and it would serve the interests of the working class. And the USA is not about that at all.

    You sound like you are in need of a psch eval yourself. Your argument implies that almost every US citizen is a direct descendant of someone with serious mental issues.

    In your case I suspect this is accurate.

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  69. @Fran Macadam
    Since he brought it up, I'd like to know who the hell let Machine Gun Kelly's parents in the country.

    Since he brought it up, I’d like to know who the hell let Machine Gun Kelly’s parents in the country.

    Or Andrew Kehoe’s. Look him up.

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  70. @Fran Macadam
    Grisham's writing is among the most hackneyed imaginable, unoriginal and cliched. The sentences are banal in their predictability. Maybe intelligent people read him, but only for the enjoyment of rewriting every sentence on the fly to something improved and more original, an amazingly easy process. I suppose these are best sold as airport distractions, escape from the unease of takeoff and landings. For that, mediocre predictability is a virtue. The price is no longer a penny with the cost of paper, but dreadful is an apt epithet.

    Grisham’s writing is among the most hackneyed imaginable, unoriginal and cliched. The sentences are banal in their predictability. Maybe intelligent people read him…

    I went to a community-ed writer’s class given by a woman with experience in the publishing business, albeit on the outer edges of it. She got our attention by saying John Grisham was an absolutely terrible writer. The she paused… and added, “…but he’s a great storyteller.” I’ve never read Grisham, but know the phenomenon well from a couple of Stephen King novels and a few short stories.

    One writer blurbed on a recent James Patterson book, you don’t get that big without serious storytelling chops.

    Readers can be quite forgiving of sloppy language when the pages turn easily.

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  71. @Fran Macadam
    Grisham's writing is among the most hackneyed imaginable, unoriginal and cliched. The sentences are banal in their predictability. Maybe intelligent people read him, but only for the enjoyment of rewriting every sentence on the fly to something improved and more original, an amazingly easy process. I suppose these are best sold as airport distractions, escape from the unease of takeoff and landings. For that, mediocre predictability is a virtue. The price is no longer a penny with the cost of paper, but dreadful is an apt epithet.

    I suppose these are best sold as airport distractions, escape from the unease of takeoff and landings

    Surveys constantly show that takeoffs and landings are far less fraught than is the boarding process. Maybe they should try Judas goats.

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  72. One more time

    Societies succeed because they’ve built up, usually over centuries, a widely accepted and practiced set of behaviors; social capital built up of predictable actions and attitudes and beliefs. The core of the culture.
    Immigrants who do not have that ingrained culture are likely to be destructive of social capital and destructive to the host society. Despite the gibberish of the lunatic left most people recognize this and quite rightly reject the attempt to destroy their society in pursuit of a crazed political fantasy.

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  73. both men worked as county restaurant inspectors and regularly discussed politics and religion. Thalasinos was passionate about pro-Israel causes and was known to rant about Islam on Facebook. The New York Post reported that Thalasinos’ Facebook page was filled with negative comments about Muslims and references to his conservative beliefs.“

    Well, this is interesting. If it had been a Christian, and not a Jew, the Narrative’s path out of this swamp would be crystal clear: blame the Muslim terrorism on the Christian. But it wasn’t a Christian, it was a Jew. And Jews can’t be blamed for anything. On the other hand, he was a “Conservative” Jew, so, that may be a ray of hope.

    Might be time for the left to eat its own face again. Or find a squirrel to blame.

    …this is Drudge who was fanatically open borders until about 2011. Really Drudge was neocon left wing (phony opposition) right up until the murder of Breitbart and then Hastings.

    I don’t remember that. I do remember him being more insufficiently anti-open-borders than he is now, but “fanatically open borders,” I don’t remember that. Got any evidence?

    Ask them to spit on a Koran or stomp on an image of Muhammed.

    While being filmed.

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    Well, this is interesting. If it had been a Christian, and not a Jew, the Narrative’s path out of this swamp would be crystal clear: blame the Muslim terrorism on the Christian. But it wasn’t a Christian, it was a Jew. And Jews can’t be blamed for anything.
     
    He was a "Jew for Jesus", so, essentially, a Christian of Jewish ancestry. And the media did sort of blame him: http://www.dailywire.com/news/1604/cnn-shooting-victims-widow-was-your-christian-chase-stephens
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  74. NISQB? Great. I’ll spare everyone all the details but when I’m PM of Canada, my plan is to implement, for the immigration bureaucracy, something similar to a driver’s licence ‘points’ system. Your rubber stamp is on the immigration papers of someone who, say, ends up on welfare, steals, robs, murders, goes jihadi, etc., then you rack up points. The numbers would, of course, depend on the severity of the problem. As with drivers, those numbers will cost you money off your paycheck. And if you earn enough of them it’ll cost you your civil service career.

    Alas, it wouldn’t have worked for Farook fils but I think it would have kept out Farook père so there’s that.

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    . Your rubber stamp is on the immigration papers of someone who, say, ends up on welfare, steals, robs, murders, goes jihadi, etc., then you rack up points. The numbers would, of course, depend on the severity of the problem. As with drivers, those numbers will cost you money off your paycheck. And if you earn enough of them it’ll cost you your civil service career.
     
    I wouldn't even worry about that if I am in charge. I just wouldn't let anybody in.

    Why assume we have to have immigrants?
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  75. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Casey
    It's interesting that the notion of not receiving immigrants from certain nations at all is unthinkable racism and ethnic bigotry. Obviously that's what it is, when disparate impact is the moral equivalent of intent, and that's a fact we all agreed to in common, rigorous debate preceding our great enthusiasm, boy that was a day to remember wasn't it, when we made that an institution what a day that was, what fun I got shitfaced everyone got laid no disparities.

    So anyways we know it would be that, evil sin utter nazism, even though we know it would be about propensities to murder. So our certainties are literally absurd, and our values are practically suicidal, worse than suicidal even, because suicide is far more respectable than retarding defense against murderers, of your children, for no good reason at all.

    But what's interesting is the absolute universal perfection of the principle's application. (Are any nations flat barred?) I don't know how the functionaries slice the thing. When can you say it's ok to say "might be pro-murder"? He's from Saudi Arabia. He's from this town. His family are these people. This lists the friends he lists. This is his story, etcetera. When does suspicion become decisively suspicious? Do they even deal with mere likelihood? I would bet they do not deal with likelihood but only proved connection. Does it only become OK to say he might be out for murder when we know his plan?

    But the most interesting question is: why is this matter of how we decide who to let in unknown to me I mean I read the media? Why does no politician exploit what is doubtless about the incompetents of bureaucrats, and say this is how we fix what is vital: None of these fuckers from Pakistan no more.

    “Its interesting that the notion of not receiving immigrants from certain nations at all is unthinkable racism and ethnic bigotry.”

    Actually its just confusing PREFERENCE with PREJUDICE. But the cultural Marxists have done a great job of fudging this. Here in Canada we have had to publicly “apologize” for sending back a ship of Sikh illegal aliens in 1914 and have actually built a monument to them. UNBELIEVABLE!

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  76. @boogerbently
    Serious question,
    Women have run the social/political show for decades now. They have made great strides protecting women at home and in the workplace.
    Serious question,
    How can they justify/agree with allowing the immigration of the most patriarchal, domestically violent, woman hating culture of men, into their country ?
    Does multiculturalism exceed feminism ?

    For a possible answer, simply check this blog for “Diversity Pokemon Points.”

    Certain protected classes are more protected than others.

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  77. @anon

    Soon, however, he stormed out in anger. The nature of the dispute was not clear, but when he returned with his wife, both of them were dressed in tactical gear and carrying assault rifles, officials said.
     
    They keep saying that the reason for the dispute wasn't clear, but was that written before the whole Messianic Judaism story came out?

    www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344350/Devout-Muslim-citizen-Saudi-wife-living-American-Dream-identified-heavily-armed-duo-burst-office-holiday-party-slaughtered-14-leaving-baby-mother.html

    Who is the source for the claim, repeated in most accounts, that the perpetrator of the mass murder had gotten into a dispute at the Christmas party and stormed out in anger?

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  78. @Sean Burgess
    NISQB? Great. I'll spare everyone all the details but when I'm PM of Canada, my plan is to implement, for the immigration bureaucracy, something similar to a driver's licence 'points' system. Your rubber stamp is on the immigration papers of someone who, say, ends up on welfare, steals, robs, murders, goes jihadi, etc., then you rack up points. The numbers would, of course, depend on the severity of the problem. As with drivers, those numbers will cost you money off your paycheck. And if you earn enough of them it'll cost you your civil service career.

    Alas, it wouldn't have worked for Farook fils but I think it would have kept out Farook père so there's that.

    . Your rubber stamp is on the immigration papers of someone who, say, ends up on welfare, steals, robs, murders, goes jihadi, etc., then you rack up points. The numbers would, of course, depend on the severity of the problem. As with drivers, those numbers will cost you money off your paycheck. And if you earn enough of them it’ll cost you your civil service career.

    I wouldn’t even worry about that if I am in charge. I just wouldn’t let anybody in.

    Why assume we have to have immigrants?

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  79. @Lugash
    A day and half since the shooting and no pics of International Missus Martyrdom Mystery Malik. Shouldn't the federal government have her picture on file as part of the greencard process? Wouldn't it be a good idea for them to release it, so if someone had seen her doing something sketchy they could report it?

    Two and half days since the shooting and no picture of the wife. This is more than strange. Both the FBI and now the media have been in that home and have talked with family members and still no picture of this Malik person. Why is a picture so hard to get?

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    Here you go:
    https://twitter.com/Mike_USPatriot/status/672937637028757508
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  80. @WJ
    Don't watch Gutfeld. He is a tediously reliable neocon. He detests Trump and even said this week that people need to go after Trump supporters.

    Conservatives, the Right, or whatever you want to call it, desperately needs a network besides Fox. Fox has done a great disservice to the conservative movement after 9/11.

    Gutfeld got trolled pretty hard by the best Trump parody account a couple of months back.

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  81. This mass murder was precipitated, it now seems, by an unhappy head butting with the office a**hole (every office has one). It all seems trivial in retrospect why those people lost their lives .

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  82. I am also curious about how the family came here in the first place.

    I also wonder how the mom living with them will explain how it was she had no idea what they were doing.

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  83. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
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  85. @Svigor

    both men worked as county restaurant inspectors and regularly discussed politics and religion. Thalasinos was passionate about pro-Israel causes and was known to rant about Islam on Facebook. The New York Post reported that Thalasinos’ Facebook page was filled with negative comments about Muslims and references to his conservative beliefs.“
     
    Well, this is interesting. If it had been a Christian, and not a Jew, the Narrative's path out of this swamp would be crystal clear: blame the Muslim terrorism on the Christian. But it wasn't a Christian, it was a Jew. And Jews can't be blamed for anything. On the other hand, he was a "Conservative" Jew, so, that may be a ray of hope.

    Might be time for the left to eat its own face again. Or find a squirrel to blame.

    …this is Drudge who was fanatically open borders until about 2011. Really Drudge was neocon left wing (phony opposition) right up until the murder of Breitbart and then Hastings.
     
    I don't remember that. I do remember him being more insufficiently anti-open-borders than he is now, but "fanatically open borders," I don't remember that. Got any evidence?

    Ask them to spit on a Koran or stomp on an image of Muhammed.
     
    While being filmed.

    Well, this is interesting. If it had been a Christian, and not a Jew, the Narrative’s path out of this swamp would be crystal clear: blame the Muslim terrorism on the Christian. But it wasn’t a Christian, it was a Jew. And Jews can’t be blamed for anything.

    He was a “Jew for Jesus”, so, essentially, a Christian of Jewish ancestry. And the media did sort of blame him: http://www.dailywire.com/news/1604/cnn-shooting-victims-widow-was-your-christian-chase-stephens

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  86. @GeorginaW
    Two and half days since the shooting and no picture of the wife. This is more than strange. Both the FBI and now the media have been in that home and have talked with family members and still no picture of this Malik person. Why is a picture so hard to get?
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  87. @Spmoore8
    LA Times has profiles of all victims. All races and ethnicities. And specified that Farook got on well with the Jewish guy.

    Not really. He got into arguments with the messianic (Jews for Jesus) Jewish guy with the Greek last name about whether Islam was a violent religion, whether Jews belonged in Israel etc. I guess he proved his point. But it really was a tossed salad of ethnicities they killed. Including a Catholic girl whose family fled Iran in 1979. That struck me as incredibly sad.

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  88. Some immigrants inflict large costs on a nation by heavily utilizing government services such as unemployment benefits, prisons, hospitals and schools.

    These dysfunctional immigrants reduce the quality of life in a nation by increasing crime and raising taxes.

    How can a nation protect itself from these costs?
    Insurance.

    Each immigrant should be required to purchase insurance from an insurer before they enter a nation.

    The insurer would pay for the immigrant’s use of unemployment benefits, prisons, hospitals and schools.

    Obviously, insurance would be more expensive for immigrants that are likely to be unemployed, commit crime, suffer from disease, and produce many children.

    Therefore, requiring that immigrants purchase insurance would ensure that immigrants are employed, law-abiding, healthy, and produce few children.

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    And if Jewish-American billionaires wanted to subsidize Jewish immigrants' insurance premiums, I could live with that.
    , @Steve Sailer
    And if Jewish-American billionaires wanted to subsidize Jewish immigrants' insurance premiums, I could live with that.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Here's a political deal: just as you have to get insurance to buy a car, require insurance to purchase a gun and to immigrate.
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  89. @Pittsburgh Thatcherite
    Some immigrants inflict large costs on a nation by heavily utilizing government services such as unemployment benefits, prisons, hospitals and schools.

    These dysfunctional immigrants reduce the quality of life in a nation by increasing crime and raising taxes.

    How can a nation protect itself from these costs?
    Insurance.

    Each immigrant should be required to purchase insurance from an insurer before they enter a nation.

    The insurer would pay for the immigrant's use of unemployment benefits, prisons, hospitals and schools.

    Obviously, insurance would be more expensive for immigrants that are likely to be unemployed, commit crime, suffer from disease, and produce many children.

    Therefore, requiring that immigrants purchase insurance would ensure that immigrants are employed, law-abiding, healthy, and produce few children.

    And if Jewish-American billionaires wanted to subsidize Jewish immigrants’ insurance premiums, I could live with that.

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  90. @Pittsburgh Thatcherite
    Some immigrants inflict large costs on a nation by heavily utilizing government services such as unemployment benefits, prisons, hospitals and schools.

    These dysfunctional immigrants reduce the quality of life in a nation by increasing crime and raising taxes.

    How can a nation protect itself from these costs?
    Insurance.

    Each immigrant should be required to purchase insurance from an insurer before they enter a nation.

    The insurer would pay for the immigrant's use of unemployment benefits, prisons, hospitals and schools.

    Obviously, insurance would be more expensive for immigrants that are likely to be unemployed, commit crime, suffer from disease, and produce many children.

    Therefore, requiring that immigrants purchase insurance would ensure that immigrants are employed, law-abiding, healthy, and produce few children.

    And if Jewish-American billionaires wanted to subsidize Jewish immigrants’ insurance premiums, I could live with that.

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    Sure, because all you'll get are a few more liberals, and the country might actually make a financial profit.

    But if the Saudis decide to start financing radical Muslims in an attempt to establish a Wahhabi beachhead here? You can see how this could go bad, fast. Heck, we can see Mossad financing spies or something similar.
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  91. @Pittsburgh Thatcherite
    Some immigrants inflict large costs on a nation by heavily utilizing government services such as unemployment benefits, prisons, hospitals and schools.

    These dysfunctional immigrants reduce the quality of life in a nation by increasing crime and raising taxes.

    How can a nation protect itself from these costs?
    Insurance.

    Each immigrant should be required to purchase insurance from an insurer before they enter a nation.

    The insurer would pay for the immigrant's use of unemployment benefits, prisons, hospitals and schools.

    Obviously, insurance would be more expensive for immigrants that are likely to be unemployed, commit crime, suffer from disease, and produce many children.

    Therefore, requiring that immigrants purchase insurance would ensure that immigrants are employed, law-abiding, healthy, and produce few children.

    Here’s a political deal: just as you have to get insurance to buy a car, require insurance to purchase a gun and to immigrate.

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    Imagine if, instead of getting grants from the government for settling refugees, churches and other religious organizations had to buy insurance on each refugee. I wonder if any of them would continue to settle refugees.
    , @Stephen R. Diamond
    That's a good anticipation of the upshot of this proposal. Fortunately, we have the 2nd Amendment that should keep y'all from disarming the poor.
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  92. @Steve Sailer
    And if Jewish-American billionaires wanted to subsidize Jewish immigrants' insurance premiums, I could live with that.

    Sure, because all you’ll get are a few more liberals, and the country might actually make a financial profit.

    But if the Saudis decide to start financing radical Muslims in an attempt to establish a Wahhabi beachhead here? You can see how this could go bad, fast. Heck, we can see Mossad financing spies or something similar.

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  93. @Steve Sailer
    Here's a political deal: just as you have to get insurance to buy a car, require insurance to purchase a gun and to immigrate.

    Imagine if, instead of getting grants from the government for settling refugees, churches and other religious organizations had to buy insurance on each refugee. I wonder if any of them would continue to settle refugees.

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  94. Here’s a political deal: just as you have to get insurance to buy a car, require insurance to purchase a gun and to immigrate.

    That’s a deal that can’t be made without a Constitutional Amendment; requiring gun buyers or even manufacturers to carry insurance on firearms sold is clearly infringement.

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  95. @Steve Sailer
    Here's a political deal: just as you have to get insurance to buy a car, require insurance to purchase a gun and to immigrate.

    That’s a good anticipation of the upshot of this proposal. Fortunately, we have the 2nd Amendment that should keep y’all from disarming the poor.

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