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People don’t believe me when I say that way back in the early 1970s, neoconservatives were often first-rate social scientists interested in empirically studying domestic issues rather than merely the Israel Booster Club. As I wrote in 2016:

Back in the 1970s, the first generation of Jewish neoconservatives, such as sociologist Nathan Glazer in his 1975 anti-racial-preferences book Affirmative Discrimination, lamented that the white-privilege logic that imposed racial quotas upon whites in general could easily be used to inflict even more onerous burdens on the most successful group of whites, Jews.

After all, if statistics showing that whites saved more money, did better in school, and committed fewer crimes than blacks were considered prima facie evidence of white racism, what would the same rationale imply about statistics revealing that American Jews enjoy advantages over other whites roughly as large as whites enjoy over blacks? Surely, the pseudo-logic of “€œwhite privilege”€ would ultimately be bad for the Jews?

But this proved to be an example of smart Jews overthinking a potential problem by assuming that he who says A (“€œwhite privilege”€) must say B (“€œJewish privilege”€).

In reality, if Jews sufficiently reward blacks for saying A and punish gentiles for saying B, there isn”€™t much danger of logical consistency after all. For example, in 1990, the media suddenly stopped praising film director Spike Lee for excoriating whites and turned on him for poking fun at greedy Jewish nightclub owners who financially exploit unworldly black jazz musicians, such as Spike’s dad. The artist’s career never quite recovered, and the message was delivered: Europhobia can be a good career move, but criticizing Jews will bring instant retribution down on your head.

Not surprisingly, in the 1990s, Glazer changed his mind and started supporting affirmative action.

 
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  1. Here’s a thought: Why don’t all people who are two or three SDs above the mean-mean for all humans just form their own religion/ethnicity/tribe? Oh, is that what is happening? Hmm…

    No, there is probably no logic that can override the subconscious-unconscious tribal push that is both in your DNA and in your mother’s lectures. So the smart part of one curve will always push against the smart parts of everyone else’s curves. War and history will continue as always.

    We’re really stupid.

    • Replies: @anon
    If you mean actual individuals;
    First of all because traits don't transfer well individually they revert to the group mean so outlier black and brown cog elites children will shit in the elite ice cream in following generations, but their elite parents will be tribal about their children and demand exceptions.

    If you mean the three intelligent races east asians, ashkenazi jews and Haginal euros;
    Because whites are the only ones who would really hold this social contract the others only agree to it to take over white nations or take over the world ironically use the tribal consciousness and envy of the less cognitively elite.

    Also because elites really can't survive alone there's not enough of them and the philosophy that would engineer the attempt would lead to a cognitive death spiral where ever smaller groups of even smarter elites would defect, which is pretty much what the west is doing.

    This exacerbates the problem too small problem making them even more vulnerable to a racially conscious group of lower intelligence conquering them, Its violence ( the ability to end another's genetic tree) not IQ at the root of success IQ only leverages this at a certain point brute force will overcome cognitive advantage, if in a prison if rather be a good fighter than thinker.

    I dont think we are stupid i think nature is smart being a sexually reproductive species tribalism is a no brainer we live or die as a group, that said it is in the elite of a groups interest to cultivate their left tail to fertilize it to prune it without forgetting it is their tail this lessons the social load of the less productive and increases the social cohesion caused by cognitive distribution, they must aslo find way to extend the right neck always aiming to shorten the overall curve while keeping sufficient population for defence economy diversity etc but evolving higher.

    Because statistically average people in a group produce half the above average cognitive elite babies, granted these outlier elites are not as stabil a genetic carrier of cognition not yet having been bred back multiple generations into the cognitive elite sub pool but they will be and in the meantime introduce hybrid vigour, and are extremely important for social cohesion, proles willingly accept their place if its their place but if they sense its arbitrary and a cog elite child of their would not be admitted defection becomes a problem.a civilization can be wiped out by inside or outside attacks inside attacks it has a lot of ways to prevent.

    Finally because baked goods etc, prole women make excellent baked goods, moms etc. It is pleasant for cog elites to live in a well managed nation of reasonable but not perfect cognitive homogeneity. proles can be warm funny useful they fit steam like myself or raise animals that are good to eat,make crafts etc. But maybe besides producing children and raising them most importantly they are the guardians of culture and conservation. They prevent ambitious elites from imprudently experimenting on our civilization by resisting change particularly changes that are most important to a civilization like sexual mores economic systems etc they are a counterweight to the tendencies of every new generation of cognitive elites being dissatisfied with simply maintaining a successful civilization and preferring to make their mark and gain personal advantage by innovating some scheme they have cleverly devised. The truth is elites competing with other elutes is what wrecks civilizations, proles tend to get cooperation and unity elites think 0f ways to leverage one group against another to out maneuver the other elites. socialism doesn't happen because proles rise up it happens because some elite incites them to rise up so said elite can become tzar
    , @jon

    Why don’t all people who are two or three SDs above the mean-mean for all humans just form their own religion/ethnicity/tribe?
     
    This is actually pretty much what the Jews do. Look at all of the 1/2 or 1/4 Jewish (or even less sometimes) successful people out there who claim this ethnic heritage. Hell, look at Trump - his daughter converted, his two sons married Jewish women, so a once German/Scottish lineage has been transformed for future generations. And don't you think Zuckerberg's kids, with his Asian wife, will still consider themselves Jewish? I've met more than one mixed race person who identifies as a Jew. As Jews become more secular, and as they continue to intermarry at high rates, they are just becoming an ethnicity based on wealth/success/power.
    , @Anonymous

    Oh, is that what is happening? Hmm…
     
    Yes, that is what is happening actually. High SES Whites are being bred away into the Jewish, Oriental, and subcontinental gene pools.
  2. Nathan Glazer in his 1975 anti-racial-preferences book Affirmative Discrimination, lamented that the white-privilege logic that imposed racial quotas upon whites in general could easily be used to inflict even more onerous burdens on the most successful group of whites, Jews.

    If we’ve learned nothing else from several decades of sophisticated audio-visual entertainment (AKA mass media propaganda) we’ve learned that logic doesn’t often enter into the equation.

    The entire history of the major media has been one of increasing technical sophistication and one of increasingly pushing the envelope as far as what’s permissible and what’s possible when it comes to hoodwinking the masses.

    At this point I’m reasonably confident that you could get cultural heroes like Jerry Seinfeld, Ta-Nehisi Coates, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson to sit around a table and discuss whether the notion that the earth is round is just a white racist construct, and have many questioning whether what they learned in grade school was right or not.

    Which reminds me–most people aren’t learning much in school these days anyway. So the task is easier than ever. All you have to do is to hate white people.

  3. Not surprisingly, in the 1990s, Glazer changed his mind and started supporting affirmative action.

    He got ‘mugged by reality’ twice?

  4. “Not surprisingly, in the 1990s, Glazer changed his mind and started supporting affirmative action. ”

    The PC riptide.

  5. “Surely, the pseudo-logic of “white privilege”€ would ultimately be bad for the Jews?”

    In the UK our rulers have solved that by

    a) saying repeatedly how awful and how prevalent anti-semitism is

    b) taking no steps of any kind which might provide hard data on how anti-semitism impacts employment, income, wealth, FT100 directorships, academic achievement, likelihood of arrest/charges/imprisonment etc. For measuring any of these things Jewish people are “white British”.

  6. So, Glazer wasn’t part of the Israel Booster club, but in the end reconciled himself with Affirmative Action once he saw it wasn’t hurting his Tribe? How refreshing!

    • Replies: @gregor
    Now they LOVE it since all the affirmative action seats come out of the white gentile share. Harvard is now <50% white. NAMs have a ~30% share despite lack of qualifications. Studyasians are already overrepresented and are shamelessly agitating for an even greater share. Not clear exactly what the Jewish share is (Ron estimates something like 15-25% which seems ridiculous, not to say it isn't true), but no question they've managed to stay massively overrepresented even as white gentiles fall way below population share and way way below their qualifications (especially white males who really shouldn't even bother applying unless they are legacy/athlete/donor/politically connected). Working out great for the tribe!

    That reminds me. The talk about horrible Jewish quotas at the Ivies way back when provokes almost as much kvetching as the country club thing ("the Golfocaust"). It's true that there was a quota. But Harvard's quota was a rather generous 15 percent. When I saw the actual number and how high it was, I was like, you gotta be kidding me, they're still upset about that...
  7. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Here's a thought: Why don't all people who are two or three SDs above the mean-mean for all humans just form their own religion/ethnicity/tribe? Oh, is that what is happening? Hmm...

    No, there is probably no logic that can override the subconscious-unconscious tribal push that is both in your DNA and in your mother's lectures. So the smart part of one curve will always push against the smart parts of everyone else's curves. War and history will continue as always.

    We're really stupid.

    If you mean actual individuals;
    First of all because traits don’t transfer well individually they revert to the group mean so outlier black and brown cog elites children will shit in the elite ice cream in following generations, but their elite parents will be tribal about their children and demand exceptions.

    If you mean the three intelligent races east asians, ashkenazi jews and Haginal euros;
    Because whites are the only ones who would really hold this social contract the others only agree to it to take over white nations or take over the world ironically use the tribal consciousness and envy of the less cognitively elite.

    Also because elites really can’t survive alone there’s not enough of them and the philosophy that would engineer the attempt would lead to a cognitive death spiral where ever smaller groups of even smarter elites would defect, which is pretty much what the west is doing.

    This exacerbates the problem too small problem making them even more vulnerable to a racially conscious group of lower intelligence conquering them, Its violence ( the ability to end another’s genetic tree) not IQ at the root of success IQ only leverages this at a certain point brute force will overcome cognitive advantage, if in a prison if rather be a good fighter than thinker.

    I dont think we are stupid i think nature is smart being a sexually reproductive species tribalism is a no brainer we live or die as a group, that said it is in the elite of a groups interest to cultivate their left tail to fertilize it to prune it without forgetting it is their tail this lessons the social load of the less productive and increases the social cohesion caused by cognitive distribution, they must aslo find way to extend the right neck always aiming to shorten the overall curve while keeping sufficient population for defence economy diversity etc but evolving higher.

    Because statistically average people in a group produce half the above average cognitive elite babies, granted these outlier elites are not as stabil a genetic carrier of cognition not yet having been bred back multiple generations into the cognitive elite sub pool but they will be and in the meantime introduce hybrid vigour, and are extremely important for social cohesion, proles willingly accept their place if its their place but if they sense its arbitrary and a cog elite child of their would not be admitted defection becomes a problem.a civilization can be wiped out by inside or outside attacks inside attacks it has a lot of ways to prevent.

    Finally because baked goods etc, prole women make excellent baked goods, moms etc. It is pleasant for cog elites to live in a well managed nation of reasonable but not perfect cognitive homogeneity. proles can be warm funny useful they fit steam like myself or raise animals that are good to eat,make crafts etc. But maybe besides producing children and raising them most importantly they are the guardians of culture and conservation. They prevent ambitious elites from imprudently experimenting on our civilization by resisting change particularly changes that are most important to a civilization like sexual mores economic systems etc they are a counterweight to the tendencies of every new generation of cognitive elites being dissatisfied with simply maintaining a successful civilization and preferring to make their mark and gain personal advantage by innovating some scheme they have cleverly devised. The truth is elites competing with other elutes is what wrecks civilizations, proles tend to get cooperation and unity elites think 0f ways to leverage one group against another to out maneuver the other elites. socialism doesn’t happen because proles rise up it happens because some elite incites them to rise up so said elite can become tzar

  8. I seem to remember when first hearing criticism about PC in the US (always regarding academia), it came from the early 80s NeoCon publications.

  9. You clearly imply that Glazer finally accepted anti-white policies once he realized that it was “good for the Jews,” so I don’t understand why you wrote “RIP” in your headline. Why would one wish a “peaceful rest” on one’s enemy?

  10. But this proved to be an example of smart Jews overthinking a potential problem by assuming that he who says A (“€œwhite privilege”€) must say B (“€œJewish privilege”€).

    Essentially guys like Glazer were the nerds/engineers. Their approach and hence their worries were more honest, direct and logical.

    But what the even more verbal, more tribal–less honest–lawyering and propagandizing Jews had done was simply cut this knot with minoritarianism: minorities good, majorities bad.

    So blacks doing poorly–the evil racist white majority keeping them down via institutional racism maintaining unearned privlege.

    Jews doing really well–virtuous valiantly minority fighting off white racism–anti-Semitism!–to succeed … oh, hey, who said Jews are doing “really well” you filthy anti-Semite, that’s what Hitler did!

    • Replies: @res
    It looks like there is a problem with the double quotes in iSteve's blockquote (and your excerpt). Probably because cut and pasting created character set confusion. See the first answer to this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11788712/single-quotes-showing-as-diamond-shaped-question-mark-in-browsers-no-database-o
    , @anonymous
    Funny, I did not see you at the March for Life this weekend.

    So, it would appear, you are just another special interest whiner.

    I am sorry if you have a lousy life, I will pray that God blesses you going forward, but really

    I did not see you at the March for Life and I did not expect to, because you are a whiner, a special interest whiner. (an atheist Italian-American is my best guess, but maybe something else).

    Pray for goodness, do good in your own life, speak honest words, and God will reward you.

  11. > poking fun at greedy Jewish nightclub owners who financially exploit unworldly black jazz musicians

    It’s pretty astounding that the Sopranos never got watsonised.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    The past (99-07) is a different country. Even (spoilers)* would get the show cancelled nowadays.*realistically making Dr. Melfi's rapist a Puerto Rican
    , @Stan d Mute

    It’s pretty astounding that the Sopranos never got watsonised.
     
    Could The Wire be made today?
  12. “People don’t believe me when I say that way back in the early 1970s, neoconservatives were often first-rate social scientists interested in empirically studying domestic issues rather than merely the Israel Booster Club.”

    I think you get the causal arrows wrong here. Jews who waddled over to hard-line anti-communism did so because they saw it as good for Jews. Similarly, they initially saw sensible views on social issues as good for the Jews, particularly useful in their move into the Buckley camp. When Nathan Glazer saw it was in his interests to abandon empiricism, he easily embraced affirmative action.

    I think most of us admire this dogged tribalism of Jews. They never lose sight of what’s best for Jews and have a unique ability to abandon ideology if it turns out to be bad for Jews. That said, what’s best for Jews in the near term is not always best for Jews in the long run, because it is not good for their host society. If Jews could bind their interests to the interests of the majority population, we’d really have something.

  13. Spite Lee’s career faltered in 1990? Didn’t he have many hit movies in the 90’s?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Spike's career never reached the peaks projected for it in 1986-1989.

    E.g., Spike may get his first Best Director nomination this year for the really inept but extremely pro-Semitic "BlacKkKlansman."

  14. @AnotherDad

    But this proved to be an example of smart Jews overthinking a potential problem by assuming that he who says A (“€œwhite privilege”€) must say B (“€œJewish privilege”€).
     
    Essentially guys like Glazer were the nerds/engineers. Their approach and hence their worries were more honest, direct and logical.

    But what the even more verbal, more tribal--less honest--lawyering and propagandizing Jews had done was simply cut this knot with minoritarianism: minorities good, majorities bad.

    So blacks doing poorly--the evil racist white majority keeping them down via institutional racism maintaining unearned privlege.

    Jews doing really well--virtuous valiantly minority fighting off white racism--anti-Semitism!--to succeed ... oh, hey, who said Jews are doing "really well" you filthy anti-Semite, that's what Hitler did!

    It looks like there is a problem with the double quotes in iSteve’s blockquote (and your excerpt). Probably because cut and pasting created character set confusion. See the first answer to this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11788712/single-quotes-showing-as-diamond-shaped-question-mark-in-browsers-no-database-o

  15. @theo the kraut
    > poking fun at greedy Jewish nightclub owners who financially exploit unworldly black jazz musicians

    It's pretty astounding that the Sopranos never got watsonised.

    The past (99-07) is a different country. Even (spoilers)* would get the show cancelled nowadays.

    [MORE]
    *realistically making Dr. Melfi’s rapist a Puerto Rican

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It's weird looking back even 10 years ago and thinking "Yeah, you could never get away with that now." Even a very SWPL show like The Office had plenty of moments that would provoke howls of outrage today ("You cannot say 'I was raped' and expect all of your problems to go away, Kelly. Not again. Don't keep doing that").
  16. The problem is the overloaded term “neocon.” The “first-generation” neocons (incl. Kristol and Podhoretz père) who were at their most influential in the 70s and 80s were generally sensible, including on foreign policy. Trump got his NATO views from Irving Kristol! The “second-generation” neocons (incl. Kristol and Podhoretz fils), most influential in the 90s and 00s, are the ones we know and hate.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    The “second-generation” neocons (incl. Kristol and Podhoretz fils), most influential in the 90s and 00s, are the ones we know and hate.
     
    Hmm... Sounds like a certain immigration phenomenon. "Nothing to worry about. The grandchildren will be fully assimilated Americans!"
    , @Counterinsurgency
    You are fighting if you know it or being massacred if you don't.

    First generation established a camouflaged position against light opposition.
    Second generation improved the position by adding personnel and mounting small attacks against light opposition.
    Third generation attacked on a large scale.

    SOP since the Ugh, the greatest tactician H. Sapiens ever produced. See Amy Chua, _World on Fire_, 2006, for recent instances.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @reactionry
    Norman Podhoretz wrote his famous "My Negro Problem - And Ours" in Februray, 1963 whereas it's easy to imagine son Johnny simply penning, "Your Negro Problem."
  17. “So it is absolutely wrong to infer any ideal sense of sacrifice in the Jews from the fact that they stand together in struggle, or, better expressed, in the plundering of their fellow men.” – Mein Kampf

    Change one word, and this is exactly the thesis of Coates’ magnum opus, and everyone’s pretending not to notice. Coates has written about Hitler in the past, and perhaps someone should ask him if Adolf was an inspiration.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Change one word, and this is exactly the thesis of Coates’ magnum opus
     
    What do you mean?
  18. Nathan Glazer’s second wife is Tamil – Sulochana Raghavan.

    He had children with his first wife. He has grandchildren. I don’t know what types his daughters married, but given the propensity of Jews to marry blacks/Asians, his changing family demographics I’m sure caused him to change his mind about affirmative action.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    but given the propensity of Jews to marry blacks/Asians
     
    Uh, Jews have zero propensity to marry blacks.
  19. @snorlax
    The problem is the overloaded term "neocon." The "first-generation" neocons (incl. Kristol and Podhoretz père) who were at their most influential in the 70s and 80s were generally sensible, including on foreign policy. Trump got his NATO views from Irving Kristol! The "second-generation" neocons (incl. Kristol and Podhoretz fils), most influential in the 90s and 00s, are the ones we know and hate.

    The “second-generation” neocons (incl. Kristol and Podhoretz fils), most influential in the 90s and 00s, are the ones we know and hate.

    Hmm… Sounds like a certain immigration phenomenon. “Nothing to worry about. The grandchildren will be fully assimilated Americans!”

  20. “Europhobia can be a good career move, but criticizing Jews will bring instant retribution down on your head.”

    Ergo, if you wanna keep your job, then either keep your mouth shut or stick to the pieties.

    Of course, we’re not supposed to notice this, right?

  21. Louis Farrakhan is not down with the Jews. When Ilhan Omar becomes speaker expect a general Jew purge complete with camps and stars.

    Pelosi won’t live forever.

    Other Whites will be next.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    When Ilhan Omar becomes speaker expect a general Jew purge complete with camps and stars.
     
    Maybe that's true. I doubt it, but maybe. BUT, hell will freeze over before Omar becomes Speaker of the House. Every political party has fringes but the Speaker generally comes from near the center. The most Leftist member of the House is not going to be elected Speaker. Nor is America going to shift so far to the left that Omar becomes a centrist figure no matter how many Mexicans we let in.
  22. Anonymous[154] • Disclaimer says:

    In Kristol Sr.’s magazine “The Public Interest” geopolitical topics were off limits. He used to write about things like rent control. Someone in the manner of Kagan Jr. or Das Boot literally couldn’t get published in it. When he did later start a foreign-affairs publication it was Kissingerian in tone.

    A lot of the post-70s neocons were just JFK or Scoop Jackson acolytes. I don’t know how you translate sociological “urban” thinking of CCNY grads who came out of the Depression into Rooseveltian-Wilsonian imperialism otherwise. The Six-Day War was a hinge point.

  23. @snorlax
    The problem is the overloaded term "neocon." The "first-generation" neocons (incl. Kristol and Podhoretz père) who were at their most influential in the 70s and 80s were generally sensible, including on foreign policy. Trump got his NATO views from Irving Kristol! The "second-generation" neocons (incl. Kristol and Podhoretz fils), most influential in the 90s and 00s, are the ones we know and hate.

    You are fighting if you know it or being massacred if you don’t.

    First generation established a camouflaged position against light opposition.
    Second generation improved the position by adding personnel and mounting small attacks against light opposition.
    Third generation attacked on a large scale.

    SOP since the Ugh, the greatest tactician H. Sapiens ever produced. See Amy Chua, _World on Fire_, 2006, for recent instances.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Who are "the Ugh"? Uighurs?
  24. OT, but turning to Brexit, here’s a Grauniad column by Polly Toynbee (yes, she’s the granddaughter of Arnold Toynbee, if you happen to know who he is).

    It features one of the more asshole-y arguments that the Left is inclined to make:

    “You could call it swing Saturday or crossover day, for this Saturday, 19 January, marks an important moment. This is the day, in theory, when the country turns remain. Even if not a single person has changed their mind since the referendum, the demographic shift alone will have done the heavy lifting. Enough old leavers will have died and enough young remainers will have come on to the electoral register to turn the dial on what the country thinks about Brexit.”

    Her argument is that in the 2+ years since Britain voted for Brexit a lot of old people – people who lived through and often served in World War II, raised children, raised grandchildren and, in general, worked their asses off to make Britain what it is today – are now dead. They have been replaced by a bunch of 18-21 year olds who, in general, spend all their time with their heads staring at a smartphone and have never worked a day in their lives.

    In other words, “you people are dying (or becoming a demographic minority), so your views don’t matter.”

    It strikes me that we don’t call them out on this sort of thing quite often enough.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    "Enough old leavers will have died and enough young remainers will have come on to the electoral register to turn the dial on what the country thinks about Brexit.”
     
    Which is why the actual process of Brexit had to be delayed for several years with a bunch of shilly-shallying. So that the people could get their minds right and deliver the vote that the elite wants.

    One man. One vote. One outcome.
    , @Lot
    Polly Toynbee is actually one of the least awful Corbynite leftists in the UK.
  25. Anything seemingly sensible neocons said in the early years was purely done to scam conservatives into embracing them.

  26. Anonymous[737] • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax
    The past (99-07) is a different country. Even (spoilers)* would get the show cancelled nowadays.*realistically making Dr. Melfi's rapist a Puerto Rican

    It’s weird looking back even 10 years ago and thinking “Yeah, you could never get away with that now.” Even a very SWPL show like The Office had plenty of moments that would provoke howls of outrage today (“You cannot say ‘I was raped’ and expect all of your problems to go away, Kelly. Not again. Don’t keep doing that”).

  27. back in the early 1970s, neoconservatives were often first-rate social scientists interested in empirically studying domestic issues rather than merely the Israel Booster Club.

    Well, today we have other first-rate neoconservative social scientists, such as Steven Pinker and Jonathan Haidt, whose primary interest isn’t politics. Conversely, in the 70s we had, alongside the serious social scientists, the politically-minded Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol.

    You’re blind to these subtleties (which aren’t even so subtle) because when it comes to Jews you’re always after some kind of grand unified theory.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    There seems to be no shortage of the politically-minded sort nowadays either.

    There is no Grand Unified Theory.

    But there does appear to be a Standard Model.

    , @Buzz Mohawk

    ... you’re always after some kind of grand unified theory.
     
    Well, if it was good enough for your old uncle Albert to spend the vast majority of his life on, it's good enough for us knuckleheads.

    You know, it's called DNA, genetics, races, ethnicities, and the inescapable, hard-wired tendencies they have.

    Go ahead, deny the fact that today "neocon" means someone pushing foreign entanglements and Middle East wars for someone's benefit. Do it. Your very act would confirm the whole point and prove the Grand Unified Theory.

    , @RonaldB
    How is Jonathan Haidt a neocon? My understanding is the etymologically, neocon derives from "new conservative" or one who brings other (Trotsky) baggage to his conservative principles.

    Functionally, neocon generally denotes a nominal conservative who favors large-scale foreign interventions, and almost unrestricted immigration into the US to take advantage of the social benefit programs also favored by neocons.
    , @AnotherDad

    Well, today we have other first-rate neoconservative social scientists, such as Steven Pinker and Jonathan Haidt, whose primary interest isn’t politics. Conversely, in the 70s we had, alongside the serious social scientists, the politically-minded Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol.

    You’re blind to these subtleties (which aren’t even so subtle) because when it comes to Jews you’re always after some kind of grand unified theory.
     
    Pinker and Haidt are interesting guys doing useful work. I'd never thought of them as "neoconservatives", but as liberals who aren't looney, so have ergo "drifted" right because of liberalism moving "left" on the it's whitey's fault! stuff, not obviously on economics. From what I understand of Haidt maybe he's actually moved as a result of the results of his own work--appreciating the different values of conservatives so seeing himself as a centrist.

    I didn't think Steve was saying there aren't sharp Jews doing interesting work in social science--heck he talks about Pinker and Haidt regularly. I think he's just making the point about the trajectory of this particular--primarily Jewish--political movement. It's certainly seems to me the case, that gen 2 didn't seem to have either much interesting to say about social science, nor much interest in saying it. (Occasional nod to conservative pieties, but their hearts were elsewhere.)

    The other thing that was clearly in the mix there was of course that these gen1 guys rejected the traditional Jewish fawning/fellow-travellering/excuse-making with regards to the Soviet Union, seeing the American order as a better much better one (for Jews, but presumably for people in general). For gen2 that issue collapsed mid-career.
    , @Anonymous

    Steven Pinker and Jonathan Haidt, whose primary interest isn’t politics.
     
    If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.
  28. Europhobia? Hadn’t heard that term before. Perfect answer to white privilege.

  29. @Buzz Mohawk
    Here's a thought: Why don't all people who are two or three SDs above the mean-mean for all humans just form their own religion/ethnicity/tribe? Oh, is that what is happening? Hmm...

    No, there is probably no logic that can override the subconscious-unconscious tribal push that is both in your DNA and in your mother's lectures. So the smart part of one curve will always push against the smart parts of everyone else's curves. War and history will continue as always.

    We're really stupid.

    Why don’t all people who are two or three SDs above the mean-mean for all humans just form their own religion/ethnicity/tribe?

    This is actually pretty much what the Jews do. Look at all of the 1/2 or 1/4 Jewish (or even less sometimes) successful people out there who claim this ethnic heritage. Hell, look at Trump – his daughter converted, his two sons married Jewish women, so a once German/Scottish lineage has been transformed for future generations. And don’t you think Zuckerberg’s kids, with his Asian wife, will still consider themselves Jewish? I’ve met more than one mixed race person who identifies as a Jew. As Jews become more secular, and as they continue to intermarry at high rates, they are just becoming an ethnicity based on wealth/success/power.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    You make an interesting point. I'm 1/4 but don't identify, and my grandfather who was never did. That side of the family was notably not affiliated with any religious organization, and I didn't grow up in one. My mother was the Methodist who lost out. All she got to do was read me the story of Jesus when I was three years old.

    Maybe there could just be an IQ test and a financial report to become a Jew. My wife and I would join, knowing that it is the inevitable future. We've joked about the idea, she more than me even. It is better to be in the upper echelon, and we don't owe anybody anything -- quite the contrary. See? I'm even cold-hearted enough.

    Since I don't believe any of the fairy tales, it just doesn't matter. (I do believe in God, but that has nothing to do with it. These religions have nothing to do with God.) It is easy to study how phony a religion can be, and how easily one can get started and grow. Witness the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ("Mormons," though they don't like that name anymore) and witness the "Church" of Scientology. Both entirely made up, and both rich with lots of followers.

    The Mormons in particular have done very well, having lots of white children right in the middle of the greatest country on Earth. Notably, they have a hierarchical view of Heaven and personal success on Earth. Many of them are quite materially successful, and they respect that as much as Jews do. I studied their history and have had Mormon friends. It all began as a big lie and a phony book, and I am certain Jewish history began and continues the same way.

    In my opinion, it is more that likely that Judaism, Talmudism, Christianity, Islam, etc. all started under equally false pretenses and just grew the way stupid trends do. So why not join the best team you are qualified for? If I'm good enough to play for the Yankees, maybe I'll just play for the damn Yankees then.

    , @IHTG
    Eric's wife is not Jewish, Don Jr's ex-wife is half-Jewish.

    Both of them are already half-Czech btw.

  30. The answer is simple: Boycott, Divest, Sanctions. I helped start a BDS chapter locally, you should all do the same.

  31. Honest Jewish Liberals or any other kind of honest liberals or honest Conservatives never last.

    You re either with the beast or against it.

    Savitri Devi has it right

  32. @Wilkey
    OT, but turning to Brexit, here's a Grauniad column by Polly Toynbee (yes, she's the granddaughter of Arnold Toynbee, if you happen to know who he is).

    It features one of the more asshole-y arguments that the Left is inclined to make:

    "You could call it swing Saturday or crossover day, for this Saturday, 19 January, marks an important moment. This is the day, in theory, when the country turns remain. Even if not a single person has changed their mind since the referendum, the demographic shift alone will have done the heavy lifting. Enough old leavers will have died and enough young remainers will have come on to the electoral register to turn the dial on what the country thinks about Brexit."

    Her argument is that in the 2+ years since Britain voted for Brexit a lot of old people - people who lived through and often served in World War II, raised children, raised grandchildren and, in general, worked their asses off to make Britain what it is today - are now dead. They have been replaced by a bunch of 18-21 year olds who, in general, spend all their time with their heads staring at a smartphone and have never worked a day in their lives.

    In other words, "you people are dying (or becoming a demographic minority), so your views don't matter."

    It strikes me that we don't call them out on this sort of thing quite often enough.

    “Enough old leavers will have died and enough young remainers will have come on to the electoral register to turn the dial on what the country thinks about Brexit.”

    Which is why the actual process of Brexit had to be delayed for several years with a bunch of shilly-shallying. So that the people could get their minds right and deliver the vote that the elite wants.

    One man. One vote. One outcome.

  33. @International Jew

    back in the early 1970s, neoconservatives were often first-rate social scientists interested in empirically studying domestic issues rather than merely the Israel Booster Club.
     
    Well, today we have other first-rate neoconservative social scientists, such as Steven Pinker and Jonathan Haidt, whose primary interest isn't politics. Conversely, in the 70s we had, alongside the serious social scientists, the politically-minded Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol.

    You're blind to these subtleties (which aren't even so subtle) because when it comes to Jews you're always after some kind of grand unified theory.

    There seems to be no shortage of the politically-minded sort nowadays either.

    There is no Grand Unified Theory.

    But there does appear to be a Standard Model.

  34. “For example, in 1990, the media suddenly stopped praising film director Spike Lee for excoriating whites and turned on him for poking fun at greedy Jewish nightclub owners who financially exploit unworldly black jazz musicians, such as Spike’s dad.”

    And don’t go anywhere near the Wall Street scamming thing.

  35. @International Jew

    back in the early 1970s, neoconservatives were often first-rate social scientists interested in empirically studying domestic issues rather than merely the Israel Booster Club.
     
    Well, today we have other first-rate neoconservative social scientists, such as Steven Pinker and Jonathan Haidt, whose primary interest isn't politics. Conversely, in the 70s we had, alongside the serious social scientists, the politically-minded Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol.

    You're blind to these subtleties (which aren't even so subtle) because when it comes to Jews you're always after some kind of grand unified theory.

    … you’re always after some kind of grand unified theory.

    Well, if it was good enough for your old uncle Albert to spend the vast majority of his life on, it’s good enough for us knuckleheads.

    You know, it’s called DNA, genetics, races, ethnicities, and the inescapable, hard-wired tendencies they have.

    Go ahead, deny the fact that today “neocon” means someone pushing foreign entanglements and Middle East wars for someone’s benefit. Do it. Your very act would confirm the whole point and prove the Grand Unified Theory.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @IHTG
    Actually, today "neocon" means ORANGE MAN BAD.
    , @International Jew

    Well, if it was good enough for your old uncle Albert...it’s good enough for us knuckleheads.
     
    I accept your compliment, while abstaining from your generalization about gentiles.

    Go ahead, deny the fact that today “neocon” means someone pushing foreign entanglements and Middle East wars for someone’s benefit.
     
    I won't. But I can't be responsible for other people's politically motivated misuse of language.

    Do it. Your very act would confirm the whole point and prove the Grand Unified Theory.
     
    Which Grand Unified Theory now, Albert's or the knuckleheads'?
  36. Jonah Goldberg had a recent column with a similar take.

    The first neocons were intellectual rebels against the Great Society and the leftward drift of American liberalism (The Public Interest, the first neocon journal, was launched in 1965. It was dedicated entirely to domestic affairs, not foreign policy). Unable to reconcile the facts with the feelings of liberalism, a host of intellectuals decided they would stick with the facts, even if it meant that former friends and allies would call them mean for doing so.

    The [Michael] Harrington essay that cemented the term “neoconservatism” in American discourse was titled “The Welfare State and Its Neoconservative Critics.” In other words, the original neoconservative critique wasn’t about foreign policy, but domestic policy.

    According to William F. Buckley, the neoconservatives brought the rigor and language of sociology to conservatism, which until then had been overly, or at least too uniformly, Aristotelian. The Buckleyites (though certainly not folks like Burnham) tended to talk from first principles and natural laws and rights. The neocons looked at the data and discovered that the numbers tended to back up a lot of the things the Aristotelians had been saying.

    By this description a lot of us would be “neo-conservatives.”

    The idea that neoconservatism was primarily about foreign policy, specifically anti-Communism, further complicates things. Part of this is a by-product of the second wave of neoconservatives who joined the movement and the right in the 1970s, mostly through the pages of Commentary. These were rebels against not the welfare state but détente on the right and the radical anti-anti-Communists of the New Left (National Review ran a headline in 1971 on the awakening at Commentary: “Come on In, the Water’s Fine.”) Many of those writers, most famously Jeane Kirkpatrick, ended up leading the intellectual shock troops of the Reagan administration.

    Goldberg’s comments are kind of interesting, but it’s painfully obvious that he’s trying to get us to pretend these guys didn’t completely discredit themselves during the Bush administration.

    So today, neoconservatism has become what it started out as, an invidious term used by its opponents to single out and demonize people as inauthentic, un-American, unreliable, or otherwise suspicious heretics, traitors, or string-pullers.

    Right. It’s a still a very necessary term of abuse for guys like Goldberg and Kristol. That’s why we keep using it. These guys are still a problem (Syria), and it’s good to have a well-established term to refer to these guys.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/problem-conservatism-faces-loudest-voices-embrace-meanness-throw-away-facts/

    From an older Goldberg article,

    …for many people “neocon” has become code for suspiciously Hebraic super-hawk.

    HA! That is a glorious phrase. I’ll have to remember that one.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-ted-cruz-neocons-foreign-policy-20160106-column.html

  37. @International Jew

    back in the early 1970s, neoconservatives were often first-rate social scientists interested in empirically studying domestic issues rather than merely the Israel Booster Club.
     
    Well, today we have other first-rate neoconservative social scientists, such as Steven Pinker and Jonathan Haidt, whose primary interest isn't politics. Conversely, in the 70s we had, alongside the serious social scientists, the politically-minded Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol.

    You're blind to these subtleties (which aren't even so subtle) because when it comes to Jews you're always after some kind of grand unified theory.

    How is Jonathan Haidt a neocon? My understanding is the etymologically, neocon derives from “new conservative” or one who brings other (Trotsky) baggage to his conservative principles.

    Functionally, neocon generally denotes a nominal conservative who favors large-scale foreign interventions, and almost unrestricted immigration into the US to take advantage of the social benefit programs also favored by neocons.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Defining neocon as you do makes Steve's allegation tautologically true.
  38. @Wilkey
    OT, but turning to Brexit, here's a Grauniad column by Polly Toynbee (yes, she's the granddaughter of Arnold Toynbee, if you happen to know who he is).

    It features one of the more asshole-y arguments that the Left is inclined to make:

    "You could call it swing Saturday or crossover day, for this Saturday, 19 January, marks an important moment. This is the day, in theory, when the country turns remain. Even if not a single person has changed their mind since the referendum, the demographic shift alone will have done the heavy lifting. Enough old leavers will have died and enough young remainers will have come on to the electoral register to turn the dial on what the country thinks about Brexit."

    Her argument is that in the 2+ years since Britain voted for Brexit a lot of old people - people who lived through and often served in World War II, raised children, raised grandchildren and, in general, worked their asses off to make Britain what it is today - are now dead. They have been replaced by a bunch of 18-21 year olds who, in general, spend all their time with their heads staring at a smartphone and have never worked a day in their lives.

    In other words, "you people are dying (or becoming a demographic minority), so your views don't matter."

    It strikes me that we don't call them out on this sort of thing quite often enough.

    Polly Toynbee is actually one of the least awful Corbynite leftists in the UK.

    • Replies: @Fabian Forge
    I wouldn't call her a Corbynista, until very recently she was doing her best to undermine him. Only now that he is firmly in control of Labour is she jumping on the bandwagon.
  39. @theo the kraut
    > poking fun at greedy Jewish nightclub owners who financially exploit unworldly black jazz musicians

    It's pretty astounding that the Sopranos never got watsonised.

    It’s pretty astounding that the Sopranos never got watsonised.

    Could The Wire be made today?

  40. Glazer means “window maker/repairer.” Glazer and Glass both have famous Jews, but I can’t think of any non-Jews.

    Was glassmaking a Jewish thing?

    Also, You’d think there were more windows than barrels in Merry Olde England. Yet Cooper is a much more common name.

    The Glazer most known to average Americans is the late Jewish billionaire Malcolm Glazer, owner of the Bucs and Manchester United.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Well, Cooper is an English word, and England isn't where very many Jews acquired family names. A more likely name for a Jewish barrelmaker might be Fass or Bondar.

    When Cooper is a Jewish family name, I suspect it represents an anglicization of Kupfer — German for copper.

    Craftsmanship of all kinds (including coppersmithing and glass-making of course) was indeed a major Jewish occupation in Eastern Europe (and, incidentally if not immediately relevant to your question, in North Africa and the Middle East). (Sorry, unz readers, to puncture your idea of us as bankers, bolsheviks and tax collectors.)

    Back to Glazer, I guess that's close enough to the German word for it, Glasierer. Then again, glaz (глаз) in Russian means eye so there be be another story there...
    , @Redman
    Isn’t it a German Jewish name? Like so many common Jewish names generally. Just sayin.

    I thought the UK kicked out all the Jews long before letting them back in to rename themselves.
    , @Lurker
    Glazier is the term generally used rather than glazer. Much less common than Cooper as a surname. I've heard of people with the name but never met one.

    I'm guessing that at the time surnames began to be formelised window making was a still rarity whereas barrel makers would be everywhere.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Glazier is the English word, and it's an English surname. 2000 of them born in England and Wales between 1837 and 1983.

    Now Glaser - that's more Jewish/German. A lot born in Bethnal Green and Stepney. Simons, Isaacs and Elis, not to mention Asher and Husher.
    , @Kaganovitch
    Glazer means “window maker/repairer.” Glazer and Glass both have famous Jews, but I can’t think of any non-Jews.

    I'm pretty sure the ex CEO of Walmart, and current owner of the KC Royals , David Glass, isn't Jewish. Also Ron Glass from Firefly isn't Jewish. I used to think Tanner Glass who played for the NY Rangers a couple of years ago wasn't Jewish but I see he has a sister called Shayna so scratch that. As for Glazers , I'm stumped, unless Jay Glazer the NFL reporter on Fox isn't Jewish. I have to admit he gives off a pretty Jewish vibe.
  41. I think what turned off Glazer, Krystal and company from blacks was they had ceased to respect the authority of the intelligentsia (which by then in America increasingly meant Jews). The attempt by gentiles (even black ones) to think for themselves was seen by Jews as a harbinger of the nihilism Leo Strauss had been warning about. Allan Bloom articulated this feeling, yet for the white gentile conservatives like Nixon who opposed student radicals, there was nothing but contempt.

  42. @Buzz Mohawk

    ... you’re always after some kind of grand unified theory.
     
    Well, if it was good enough for your old uncle Albert to spend the vast majority of his life on, it's good enough for us knuckleheads.

    You know, it's called DNA, genetics, races, ethnicities, and the inescapable, hard-wired tendencies they have.

    Go ahead, deny the fact that today "neocon" means someone pushing foreign entanglements and Middle East wars for someone's benefit. Do it. Your very act would confirm the whole point and prove the Grand Unified Theory.

    Actually, today “neocon” means ORANGE MAN BAD.

  43. The latest from our friends at Buzzfeed – anti-Sorosism was invented by two Jewish guys:

  44. @Lot
    Glazer means "window maker/repairer." Glazer and Glass both have famous Jews, but I can't think of any non-Jews.

    Was glassmaking a Jewish thing?

    Also, You'd think there were more windows than barrels in Merry Olde England. Yet Cooper is a much more common name.

    The Glazer most known to average Americans is the late Jewish billionaire Malcolm Glazer, owner of the Bucs and Manchester United.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Malcolm_Glazer.jpg

    Well, Cooper is an English word, and England isn’t where very many Jews acquired family names. A more likely name for a Jewish barrelmaker might be Fass or Bondar.

    When Cooper is a Jewish family name, I suspect it represents an anglicization of Kupfer — German for copper.

    Craftsmanship of all kinds (including coppersmithing and glass-making of course) was indeed a major Jewish occupation in Eastern Europe (and, incidentally if not immediately relevant to your question, in North Africa and the Middle East). (Sorry, unz readers, to puncture your idea of us as bankers, bolsheviks and tax collectors.)

    Back to Glazer, I guess that’s close enough to the German word for it, Glasierer. Then again, glaz (глаз) in Russian means eye so there be be another story there…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Jews used to be machinists, mechanics, carpenters (yes, I know...) and other such tradesmen but not any more. You just don't see this today, not in the US anyway.
    , @Anonymous
    There is a Jewish Glazer family in Kansas City who were famous for a comedy club. The father apparently in his 90s is still alive, three of his sons are deceased now. The family's infighting was notorious for quite some time.

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article216822645.html

    (Linkk to the Kansas City Star, once sung of by Roger Miller, now a thoroughly worthless bird cage liner....)

    Craig Glazer most recently was comedy promoter for Stanford’s Comedy Club in downtown Kansas City. He is preceded in death by his brothers, Jeff Glazer and Jack Glazer. File

    Craig Glazer, comedy club impressario and all-around colorful character, died late Wednesday or early Thursday at Research Medical Center.

    Longtime friend Ted McKnight confirmed Thursday that Glazer, thought to be in his mid-60s, had been battling several health issues, including leukemia.

    “Craig lived his life with his hair on fire,” McKnight said Thursday. “He was a very colorful guy. He would very seldom bite his tongue in the sense of how he would say things.

    “I think everybody should have a friend like that, that’s going to tell you the truth as opposed to sugar-coating things,” McKnight continued, “and Craig was like that.”

    Glazer most recently was comedy promoter for Stanford’s Comedy Club in downtown Kansas City. It was the latest stint in a career spent owning or managing comedy venues — in Westport, the Legends and elsewhere — along with his father, Stanford Glazer, and late brothers, Jeff Glazer and Jack Glazer.

    “We are one of the oldest family-owned comedy clubs in the United States,” Craig Glazer told The Star in 2014. “My father, brother and I had the idea of doing comedy shows featuring David Naster on Sunday nights.

    “We booked a lot of young comedians who couldn’t get jobs elsewhere, such as Sinbad and Louie Anderson,” Glazer continued in the story. “We then became a hub ... for young comedians like Sam Kinison, Gabe Kaplan and Jerry Seinfeld, who weren’t ready for the handful of clubs on the West Coast.”

    Craig Glazer was preceded in death by his two brothers. Jeff Glazer died April 29 of complications from a brain tumor. Jack Glazer died in an automobile accident in 2011. Stanford Glazer currently lives in Arizona.

    The brothers and their father were at odds at times. Stanford Glazer lost a lawsuit against Craig and Jeff Glazer in 2000. He had claimed they had broken an oral contract to pay him $5,000 a month as a royalty for transferring the comedy club to the sons.

    Craig Glazer attended Shawnee Mission East High School. He later developed relationships with both Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier, producing the boxing documentary “Champions Forever.”

    Glazer wrote a memoir about his experiences in the 1970s posing as an undercover drug officer, setting up deals and then making off with the money and the drugs.

    In 2001, Glazer said he planned to run for mayor of Kansas City to raise the city’s profile.

    Listing his qualifications to a Star columnist, Glazer said: “I’ve been in jail. I’ve been in a gunfight. I’ve hung out with movie stars. I’ve built a business up from the ashes. I’ve lived life.”

    Months later he was indicted by a federal grand jury for conspiracy to distribute cocaine. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to three years on probation and fined $5,000. Prosecutors said Glazer’s role had been buying small amounts of cocaine to offer performers and others at his comedy club. He’d had previous cocaine convictions in 1975 and 1985.

    Glazer told Judge Nanette K. Laughrey that he had matured and apologized for breaking the law. Laughrey had sentenced other drug offenders to prison but she told Glazer, “I think we benefit in Kansas City by having you here in the community and making a contribution to it.”

    McKnight said he was given charge of Glazer’s cellphone when he went into the intensive care unit at the hospital. McKnight said he had to turn it off because so many people from across the country were calling when they heard Glazer was ill.

    Glazer’s beloved dachshund, Junior, also had recently died.

    “Now they’re back together again,” McKnight said.

     

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    I know a Jewish farmer right here in Connecticut. No kidding. Great guy.

    And let's not forget Max Yazgur, who let a bunch of kids listen to music on his farm in New York for a little thing called Woodstock.

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6c/65/09/6c650971dc2c315793c0a1fb2c5a6a1a.jpg
    , @PiltdownMan

    (Sorry, unz readers, to puncture your idea of us as bankers, bolsheviks and tax collectors.)
     
    I recall that a noticeable number of small storekeepers and tradespeople in New York City in the 1970s and 1980s that I came across (shoe repair, locksmiths and so on) were Jewish. This was true in both Forest Hills in Queens (then very Jewish) and in Manhattan (much less so.)

    It's less common now. I guess their kids listened to Mom and went on to law school or medical school.
    , @Anon
    A glazier, installer of windows is not a glazer. Nor is a glazer a maker of glass.
    , @Anonymous

    A more likely name for a Jewish barrelmaker might be Fass or Bondar.
     
    I'm reminded of Myron Fass, who published a huge number of pulp magazines out of his New York office on every imaginable subject. He was particularly famous for his UFO magazines, and was once satirized in MAD magazine or its imitator Cracked as "Myruff Ass".


    Myron Fass
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Myron Fass

    Born March 29, 1926
    Brooklyn, New York
    Died September 14, 2006 (aged 80)
    Fort Lauderdale, Florida
    Nationality American
    Area(s) Artist, Publisher
    Pseudonym(s) Chief Merion Riley-Foss
    Notable works
    Tempest Publications
    National Mirror, Inc.
    Countrywide Publications
    M. F. Enterprises
    Eerie Publications
    CFV Publishers
    Creative Arts
    Collaborators Jeff Goodman

    Myron Fass (March 29, 1926 - September 14, 2006)[1] was an American publisher of pulp magazines and comic books, operating from the 1950s through the 1990s under a multitude of company names, including M. F. Enterprises and Eerie Publications. At his height in the 1970s, Fass was known as the biggest — multi-title newsstand magazine publisher in the country.[2] He put out up to fifty titles a month, many of them one-offs, covering any subject matter he thought would sell, from soft-core pornography to professional wrestling, UFOs to punk rock, horror films to firearm magazines.

    Biography
    Early life

    Fass was born in Brooklyn, New York, the son of an Orthodox Jewish laborer.[3]
    Comics artist

    Starting in 1948 and until the mid-1950s shrinkage of the industry initiated by the institution of the Comics Code, Fass illustrated horror, crime, romance, Western, and other comics for a multitude of publishers, including Ace Periodicals, Avon Comics, Charlton Comics, Fawcett Comics, Feature Comics, Fox Comics, Lev Gleason Publications, Magazine Enterprises, Marvel Comics, Story Comics, Street & Smith Comics, and Trojan Comics. Fass produced some of this material with the S. M. Iger Studio from 1949–1953. For Toby Press, Fass was a regular artist on Dr. Anthony King, Hollywood Love Doctor, Great Lover Romances, John Wayne Adventure Comics, Tales of Horror, and War.

    Publisher

    In 1956, Fass packaged the Whitestone Publishing title Lunatickle, one of the first imitators of EC's Mad magazine. (Fass was a huge admirer of EC publisher William Gaines.) The girlie magazine Foto-Rama and the monster magazine Shock Tales soon followed.

    Backed by William Harris, who invented the Harris Press (still used today),[3] by the beginning of the 1960s Fass was publishing his own material under the company name Tempest Publications. It was during this period that Fass launched the pin-up girlie mags Pic, Buccaneer, Poorboy, and Jaguar. Other Tempest publications were the "newspaper magazine" Quick, Companion, and the over-the-top tabloid National Mirror. Al Goldstein worked for Fass in 1968 before starting Screw magazine, writing for the National Mirror, the new tabloid Hush-Hush News, and the digest-sized girlie titles Pic and Bold.

    In 1966 William Harris's son Stanley R. Harris partnered with Fass to form the black-and-white horror magazine publisher Eerie Publications.[5] Eerie's output was a low-rent response to the popularity of the Warren Publishing horror comic magazines Creepy and Eerie. Fass's titles, all of which featured grisly, lurid color covers, included Weird, Horror Tales, Terror Tales, Tales from the Tomb, Tales of Voodoo, and Witches' Tales. Fass's brother Irving worked as an art director, and an old collaborator from the Iger studio days, Robert W. Farrell, had the title of publisher.[6]

    Eerie stayed in business until 1981, although co-owner Harris left in 1976 after a series of disputes with the mercurial Fass.Harris immediately went on to form the consumer magazine publisher Harris Publications.

    Also in 1966, Fass formed M. F. Enterprises, a four-color comic publisher whose main product was Captain Marvel, a short-lived attempt by Golden Age cartoonist Carl Burgos, to revive the long-dormant Fawcett Comics superhero in slightly different form. M. F. Enterprises also published an Archie-style teen humor comic and a western series. M. F. Enterprises only published comics for two years, though Fass continued to use the company name for his magazines.

    In the 1970s, under the company name Countrywide Publications, Fass began producing more one-shots and pushing even further the boundaries of good taste, with magazines on such topics as the Kennedy assassination, Elvis Presley's death, and the shooting of Hustler publisher Larry Flynt. As such, Fass was responsible for almost every bottom-of-the barrel publication to come out in the decade. If any sleaze or exploitation magazine was successful enough, his company would imitate it — often multiple times. If anybody was famous, he published a quickie magazine to cash in on their fame. Fass's standard of success was 20,000 copies sold per issue.[3] During this period, Fass was known to wear a loaded gun to work He lived in New Jersey with his wife Phyllis and an assortment of luxury automobiles.

    By the mid-1980s Fass had become increasingly erratic, both in his behavior and publishing output. He moved to Ocala, Florida, where he ran a gun shop and continued to publish (mostly firearm-related) magazines. During this period, Fass published under the name CFV Publishers and called himself "Chief Merion Riley-Foss." His son David worked with him.

    In the mid-1990s, Fass and his son David were still in Florida publishing gun magazines and other titles under the company name Creative Arts. According to former employee Jeff Goodman, by this time Fass was showing signs of paranoia and would not talk to anyone.
    Death

    Fass died in 2006, in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

     

    , @Anonymous

    A more likely name for a Jewish barrelmaker might be Fass or Bondar.
     
    What about "Binder"?
  45. @Lot
    Glazer means "window maker/repairer." Glazer and Glass both have famous Jews, but I can't think of any non-Jews.

    Was glassmaking a Jewish thing?

    Also, You'd think there were more windows than barrels in Merry Olde England. Yet Cooper is a much more common name.

    The Glazer most known to average Americans is the late Jewish billionaire Malcolm Glazer, owner of the Bucs and Manchester United.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Malcolm_Glazer.jpg

    Isn’t it a German Jewish name? Like so many common Jewish names generally. Just sayin.

    I thought the UK kicked out all the Jews long before letting them back in to rename themselves.

  46. @Buzz Mohawk

    ... you’re always after some kind of grand unified theory.
     
    Well, if it was good enough for your old uncle Albert to spend the vast majority of his life on, it's good enough for us knuckleheads.

    You know, it's called DNA, genetics, races, ethnicities, and the inescapable, hard-wired tendencies they have.

    Go ahead, deny the fact that today "neocon" means someone pushing foreign entanglements and Middle East wars for someone's benefit. Do it. Your very act would confirm the whole point and prove the Grand Unified Theory.

    Well, if it was good enough for your old uncle Albert…it’s good enough for us knuckleheads.

    I accept your compliment, while abstaining from your generalization about gentiles.

    Go ahead, deny the fact that today “neocon” means someone pushing foreign entanglements and Middle East wars for someone’s benefit.

    I won’t. But I can’t be responsible for other people’s politically motivated misuse of language.

    Do it. Your very act would confirm the whole point and prove the Grand Unified Theory.

    Which Grand Unified Theory now, Albert’s or the knuckleheads’?

    • Replies: @Lot
    Grand Unified Theory has a specific meaning that post-dates Einstein.

    You all might be thinking of Einstein combining the ideas of space and time and matter and energy. Neither of those is a GUT.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory
    , @Anonymous

    I accept your compliment, while abstaining from your generalization about gentiles.
     
    Abstaining, but not rejecting or denying.
  47. @Lot
    Glazer means "window maker/repairer." Glazer and Glass both have famous Jews, but I can't think of any non-Jews.

    Was glassmaking a Jewish thing?

    Also, You'd think there were more windows than barrels in Merry Olde England. Yet Cooper is a much more common name.

    The Glazer most known to average Americans is the late Jewish billionaire Malcolm Glazer, owner of the Bucs and Manchester United.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Malcolm_Glazer.jpg

    Glazier is the term generally used rather than glazer. Much less common than Cooper as a surname. I’ve heard of people with the name but never met one.

    I’m guessing that at the time surnames began to be formelised window making was a still rarity whereas barrel makers would be everywhere.

    • Replies: @Flip
    I knew a gentile American with the surname Glazier. Glaser seems to be a reasonably common Jewish name as well.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Windows were taxed, which would have limited the number of customers who could afford them, and thus the number of businesses providing them.
    , @Anon
    If glazer is an occupational name it probably refers to the people who painted the glass on tiles and other objects before the object was put into the kiln to bake the glaze.
  48. @snorlax
    The problem is the overloaded term "neocon." The "first-generation" neocons (incl. Kristol and Podhoretz père) who were at their most influential in the 70s and 80s were generally sensible, including on foreign policy. Trump got his NATO views from Irving Kristol! The "second-generation" neocons (incl. Kristol and Podhoretz fils), most influential in the 90s and 00s, are the ones we know and hate.

    Norman Podhoretz wrote his famous “My Negro Problem – And Ours” in Februray, 1963 whereas it’s easy to imagine son Johnny simply penning, “Your Negro Problem.”

  49. @Lot
    Glazer means "window maker/repairer." Glazer and Glass both have famous Jews, but I can't think of any non-Jews.

    Was glassmaking a Jewish thing?

    Also, You'd think there were more windows than barrels in Merry Olde England. Yet Cooper is a much more common name.

    The Glazer most known to average Americans is the late Jewish billionaire Malcolm Glazer, owner of the Bucs and Manchester United.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Malcolm_Glazer.jpg

    Glazier is the English word, and it’s an English surname. 2000 of them born in England and Wales between 1837 and 1983.

    Now Glaser – that’s more Jewish/German. A lot born in Bethnal Green and Stepney. Simons, Isaacs and Elis, not to mention Asher and Husher.

  50. @Lot
    Polly Toynbee is actually one of the least awful Corbynite leftists in the UK.

    I wouldn’t call her a Corbynista, until very recently she was doing her best to undermine him. Only now that he is firmly in control of Labour is she jumping on the bandwagon.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I wouldn’t call her a Corbynista, until very recently she was doing her best to undermine him. Only now that he is firmly in control of Labour is she jumping on the bandwagon.

     

    What does she think of his idea for separate buses for women?
  51. @International Jew
    Well, Cooper is an English word, and England isn't where very many Jews acquired family names. A more likely name for a Jewish barrelmaker might be Fass or Bondar.

    When Cooper is a Jewish family name, I suspect it represents an anglicization of Kupfer — German for copper.

    Craftsmanship of all kinds (including coppersmithing and glass-making of course) was indeed a major Jewish occupation in Eastern Europe (and, incidentally if not immediately relevant to your question, in North Africa and the Middle East). (Sorry, unz readers, to puncture your idea of us as bankers, bolsheviks and tax collectors.)

    Back to Glazer, I guess that's close enough to the German word for it, Glasierer. Then again, glaz (глаз) in Russian means eye so there be be another story there...

    Jews used to be machinists, mechanics, carpenters (yes, I know…) and other such tradesmen but not any more. You just don’t see this today, not in the US anyway.

  52. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    Well, Cooper is an English word, and England isn't where very many Jews acquired family names. A more likely name for a Jewish barrelmaker might be Fass or Bondar.

    When Cooper is a Jewish family name, I suspect it represents an anglicization of Kupfer — German for copper.

    Craftsmanship of all kinds (including coppersmithing and glass-making of course) was indeed a major Jewish occupation in Eastern Europe (and, incidentally if not immediately relevant to your question, in North Africa and the Middle East). (Sorry, unz readers, to puncture your idea of us as bankers, bolsheviks and tax collectors.)

    Back to Glazer, I guess that's close enough to the German word for it, Glasierer. Then again, glaz (глаз) in Russian means eye so there be be another story there...

    There is a Jewish Glazer family in Kansas City who were famous for a comedy club. The father apparently in his 90s is still alive, three of his sons are deceased now. The family’s infighting was notorious for quite some time.

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article216822645.html

    (Linkk to the Kansas City Star, once sung of by Roger Miller, now a thoroughly worthless bird cage liner….)

    Craig Glazer most recently was comedy promoter for Stanford’s Comedy Club in downtown Kansas City. He is preceded in death by his brothers, Jeff Glazer and Jack Glazer. File

    Craig Glazer, comedy club impressario and all-around colorful character, died late Wednesday or early Thursday at Research Medical Center.

    Longtime friend Ted McKnight confirmed Thursday that Glazer, thought to be in his mid-60s, had been battling several health issues, including leukemia.

    “Craig lived his life with his hair on fire,” McKnight said Thursday. “He was a very colorful guy. He would very seldom bite his tongue in the sense of how he would say things.

    “I think everybody should have a friend like that, that’s going to tell you the truth as opposed to sugar-coating things,” McKnight continued, “and Craig was like that.”

    Glazer most recently was comedy promoter for Stanford’s Comedy Club in downtown Kansas City. It was the latest stint in a career spent owning or managing comedy venues — in Westport, the Legends and elsewhere — along with his father, Stanford Glazer, and late brothers, Jeff Glazer and Jack Glazer.

    “We are one of the oldest family-owned comedy clubs in the United States,” Craig Glazer told The Star in 2014. “My father, brother and I had the idea of doing comedy shows featuring David Naster on Sunday nights.

    “We booked a lot of young comedians who couldn’t get jobs elsewhere, such as Sinbad and Louie Anderson,” Glazer continued in the story. “We then became a hub … for young comedians like Sam Kinison, Gabe Kaplan and Jerry Seinfeld, who weren’t ready for the handful of clubs on the West Coast.”

    Craig Glazer was preceded in death by his two brothers. Jeff Glazer died April 29 of complications from a brain tumor. Jack Glazer died in an automobile accident in 2011. Stanford Glazer currently lives in Arizona.

    The brothers and their father were at odds at times. Stanford Glazer lost a lawsuit against Craig and Jeff Glazer in 2000. He had claimed they had broken an oral contract to pay him $5,000 a month as a royalty for transferring the comedy club to the sons.

    Craig Glazer attended Shawnee Mission East High School. He later developed relationships with both Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier, producing the boxing documentary “Champions Forever.”

    Glazer wrote a memoir about his experiences in the 1970s posing as an undercover drug officer, setting up deals and then making off with the money and the drugs.

    In 2001, Glazer said he planned to run for mayor of Kansas City to raise the city’s profile.

    Listing his qualifications to a Star columnist, Glazer said: “I’ve been in jail. I’ve been in a gunfight. I’ve hung out with movie stars. I’ve built a business up from the ashes. I’ve lived life.”

    Months later he was indicted by a federal grand jury for conspiracy to distribute cocaine. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to three years on probation and fined $5,000. Prosecutors said Glazer’s role had been buying small amounts of cocaine to offer performers and others at his comedy club. He’d had previous cocaine convictions in 1975 and 1985.

    Glazer told Judge Nanette K. Laughrey that he had matured and apologized for breaking the law. Laughrey had sentenced other drug offenders to prison but she told Glazer, “I think we benefit in Kansas City by having you here in the community and making a contribution to it.”

    McKnight said he was given charge of Glazer’s cellphone when he went into the intensive care unit at the hospital. McKnight said he had to turn it off because so many people from across the country were calling when they heard Glazer was ill.

    Glazer’s beloved dachshund, Junior, also had recently died.

    “Now they’re back together again,” McKnight said.

    • Replies: @Lot
    "Glazer wrote a memoir about his experiences in the 1970s posing as an undercover drug officer, setting up deals and then making off with the money and the drugs"

    What? He robbed drug dealers by pretending to be an undercover? 1970s KC underworld sounds like a job for David Simon or the Coen brothers to film.

    The recent Fargo TV series, especially the season set in the 70's, is really under appreciated.
    , @Anonymous
    Are you sure they weren't German or English?
  53. @Anonymous
    There is a Jewish Glazer family in Kansas City who were famous for a comedy club. The father apparently in his 90s is still alive, three of his sons are deceased now. The family's infighting was notorious for quite some time.

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article216822645.html

    (Linkk to the Kansas City Star, once sung of by Roger Miller, now a thoroughly worthless bird cage liner....)

    Craig Glazer most recently was comedy promoter for Stanford’s Comedy Club in downtown Kansas City. He is preceded in death by his brothers, Jeff Glazer and Jack Glazer. File

    Craig Glazer, comedy club impressario and all-around colorful character, died late Wednesday or early Thursday at Research Medical Center.

    Longtime friend Ted McKnight confirmed Thursday that Glazer, thought to be in his mid-60s, had been battling several health issues, including leukemia.

    “Craig lived his life with his hair on fire,” McKnight said Thursday. “He was a very colorful guy. He would very seldom bite his tongue in the sense of how he would say things.

    “I think everybody should have a friend like that, that’s going to tell you the truth as opposed to sugar-coating things,” McKnight continued, “and Craig was like that.”

    Glazer most recently was comedy promoter for Stanford’s Comedy Club in downtown Kansas City. It was the latest stint in a career spent owning or managing comedy venues — in Westport, the Legends and elsewhere — along with his father, Stanford Glazer, and late brothers, Jeff Glazer and Jack Glazer.

    “We are one of the oldest family-owned comedy clubs in the United States,” Craig Glazer told The Star in 2014. “My father, brother and I had the idea of doing comedy shows featuring David Naster on Sunday nights.

    “We booked a lot of young comedians who couldn’t get jobs elsewhere, such as Sinbad and Louie Anderson,” Glazer continued in the story. “We then became a hub ... for young comedians like Sam Kinison, Gabe Kaplan and Jerry Seinfeld, who weren’t ready for the handful of clubs on the West Coast.”

    Craig Glazer was preceded in death by his two brothers. Jeff Glazer died April 29 of complications from a brain tumor. Jack Glazer died in an automobile accident in 2011. Stanford Glazer currently lives in Arizona.

    The brothers and their father were at odds at times. Stanford Glazer lost a lawsuit against Craig and Jeff Glazer in 2000. He had claimed they had broken an oral contract to pay him $5,000 a month as a royalty for transferring the comedy club to the sons.

    Craig Glazer attended Shawnee Mission East High School. He later developed relationships with both Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier, producing the boxing documentary “Champions Forever.”

    Glazer wrote a memoir about his experiences in the 1970s posing as an undercover drug officer, setting up deals and then making off with the money and the drugs.

    In 2001, Glazer said he planned to run for mayor of Kansas City to raise the city’s profile.

    Listing his qualifications to a Star columnist, Glazer said: “I’ve been in jail. I’ve been in a gunfight. I’ve hung out with movie stars. I’ve built a business up from the ashes. I’ve lived life.”

    Months later he was indicted by a federal grand jury for conspiracy to distribute cocaine. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to three years on probation and fined $5,000. Prosecutors said Glazer’s role had been buying small amounts of cocaine to offer performers and others at his comedy club. He’d had previous cocaine convictions in 1975 and 1985.

    Glazer told Judge Nanette K. Laughrey that he had matured and apologized for breaking the law. Laughrey had sentenced other drug offenders to prison but she told Glazer, “I think we benefit in Kansas City by having you here in the community and making a contribution to it.”

    McKnight said he was given charge of Glazer’s cellphone when he went into the intensive care unit at the hospital. McKnight said he had to turn it off because so many people from across the country were calling when they heard Glazer was ill.

    Glazer’s beloved dachshund, Junior, also had recently died.

    “Now they’re back together again,” McKnight said.

     

    “Glazer wrote a memoir about his experiences in the 1970s posing as an undercover drug officer, setting up deals and then making off with the money and the drugs”

    What? He robbed drug dealers by pretending to be an undercover? 1970s KC underworld sounds like a job for David Simon or the Coen brothers to film.

    The recent Fargo TV series, especially the season set in the 70’s, is really under appreciated.

  54. @Lurker
    Glazier is the term generally used rather than glazer. Much less common than Cooper as a surname. I've heard of people with the name but never met one.

    I'm guessing that at the time surnames began to be formelised window making was a still rarity whereas barrel makers would be everywhere.

    I knew a gentile American with the surname Glazier. Glaser seems to be a reasonably common Jewish name as well.

  55. @Lot
    Glazer means "window maker/repairer." Glazer and Glass both have famous Jews, but I can't think of any non-Jews.

    Was glassmaking a Jewish thing?

    Also, You'd think there were more windows than barrels in Merry Olde England. Yet Cooper is a much more common name.

    The Glazer most known to average Americans is the late Jewish billionaire Malcolm Glazer, owner of the Bucs and Manchester United.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Malcolm_Glazer.jpg

    Glazer means “window maker/repairer.” Glazer and Glass both have famous Jews, but I can’t think of any non-Jews.

    I’m pretty sure the ex CEO of Walmart, and current owner of the KC Royals , David Glass, isn’t Jewish. Also Ron Glass from Firefly isn’t Jewish. I used to think Tanner Glass who played for the NY Rangers a couple of years ago wasn’t Jewish but I see he has a sister called Shayna so scratch that. As for Glazers , I’m stumped, unless Jay Glazer the NFL reporter on Fox isn’t Jewish. I have to admit he gives off a pretty Jewish vibe.

  56. @International Jew

    Well, if it was good enough for your old uncle Albert...it’s good enough for us knuckleheads.
     
    I accept your compliment, while abstaining from your generalization about gentiles.

    Go ahead, deny the fact that today “neocon” means someone pushing foreign entanglements and Middle East wars for someone’s benefit.
     
    I won't. But I can't be responsible for other people's politically motivated misuse of language.

    Do it. Your very act would confirm the whole point and prove the Grand Unified Theory.
     
    Which Grand Unified Theory now, Albert's or the knuckleheads'?

    Grand Unified Theory has a specific meaning that post-dates Einstein.

    You all might be thinking of Einstein combining the ideas of space and time and matter and energy. Neither of those is a GUT.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory

  57. @International Jew
    Well, Cooper is an English word, and England isn't where very many Jews acquired family names. A more likely name for a Jewish barrelmaker might be Fass or Bondar.

    When Cooper is a Jewish family name, I suspect it represents an anglicization of Kupfer — German for copper.

    Craftsmanship of all kinds (including coppersmithing and glass-making of course) was indeed a major Jewish occupation in Eastern Europe (and, incidentally if not immediately relevant to your question, in North Africa and the Middle East). (Sorry, unz readers, to puncture your idea of us as bankers, bolsheviks and tax collectors.)

    Back to Glazer, I guess that's close enough to the German word for it, Glasierer. Then again, glaz (глаз) in Russian means eye so there be be another story there...

    I know a Jewish farmer right here in Connecticut. No kidding. Great guy.

    And let’s not forget Max Yazgur, who let a bunch of kids listen to music on his farm in New York for a little thing called Woodstock.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    We are starlights, we are golden...
  58. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Artie Kornfeld

    He was also behind The Wind in The Willows and further put out a similar sounding solo album with a cover by the same artist and in the same style. So obscure it’s hard to find a picture of it.

    Also, he was co-writer of “Dead man’s Curve”, by Jan and Dean:

    “Dead Man’s Curve” is a 1964 hit song by Jan and Dean whose lyrics detail a teen street race gone awry. It reached number eight on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart. The song was written and composed by Brian Wilson, Artie Kornfeld, Roger Christian, and Jan Berry at Wilson’s mother’s house in Santa Monica. It was part of the teenage tragedy song phenomenon of that period, and one of the most popular such selections of all time.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Artie Kornfeld
     
    Jews were indeed farmers.
  59. Not all Jews are neocons and not all rightist Jews are either….tbat being said I’m still shocked there hasn’t been a Nuremberg type war crimes trial for the creators of our W. Bush started wars of choice in the Middle East…..

    That being said I’m still shocked Trump has allowed the idiot msm to basically cock block him for 2 solid yrs. We were spending 2 BILLIONDOLLARS A WEEK in Afcrapistan just a few yrs back…..a well known fact that has bizarrely been memory-holed:

    http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2011/06/06/us-spends-two-billion-dollars-a-week-in-afghanistan.html

    That meant 104 BILLION PER YEAR in Afcrapistan to prop up a bunch of heroin mobsters and bachu basi pederasts….

    And Trumps cruddy what 40$ billion wall can’t be built? Bullsh-t!!

    That being said Trump is in trouble….either he does a triangulation Clinton move to split the Dems in half or Hillary wins in 2020. And yes, who the he’ll else would win the primaries?

    Propose a populist New Deal slash Great Society type initiative to build new roads, dams, bridges etc.

    Throw in forgiveness of student loan debt via QE….hell the Fed bailed out the Wall St parasites and bought their junk paper…..why can’t they print phantom money and buy my student loans and write them off

    Chalk it up as stimulus…..go “half Bernie” and siphon off more blue collar types.and Bernie Bros.

    Without California and possible massive voting fraud there….hillary WOULD NOT HAVE won the popular vote…..

    Throw the ball at Mueller….demand immediate indictments or have the AG cut his funding. No more endless meandering mission creep.

    Either Mueller launches his coup, which will fail or have Trump lieutenants call it what it is: an attempted coup in the vein of “Seven Days in May”…..

    This isn’t even Watergate shit. Nothing like this has been pursued since fdr and perhaps since the civil war. Tell Mueller indict now or face sedition and federal treason charges…ante up the bets….or Trump is done.

    We want jobs jobs jobs and “It’s the economy stupid “…..not more deep state intrigue garbage….

  60. @AnotherDad

    But this proved to be an example of smart Jews overthinking a potential problem by assuming that he who says A (“€œwhite privilege”€) must say B (“€œJewish privilege”€).
     
    Essentially guys like Glazer were the nerds/engineers. Their approach and hence their worries were more honest, direct and logical.

    But what the even more verbal, more tribal--less honest--lawyering and propagandizing Jews had done was simply cut this knot with minoritarianism: minorities good, majorities bad.

    So blacks doing poorly--the evil racist white majority keeping them down via institutional racism maintaining unearned privlege.

    Jews doing really well--virtuous valiantly minority fighting off white racism--anti-Semitism!--to succeed ... oh, hey, who said Jews are doing "really well" you filthy anti-Semite, that's what Hitler did!

    Funny, I did not see you at the March for Life this weekend.

    So, it would appear, you are just another special interest whiner.

    I am sorry if you have a lousy life, I will pray that God blesses you going forward, but really

    I did not see you at the March for Life and I did not expect to, because you are a whiner, a special interest whiner. (an atheist Italian-American is my best guess, but maybe something else).

    Pray for goodness, do good in your own life, speak honest words, and God will reward you.

  61. @International Jew
    Well, Cooper is an English word, and England isn't where very many Jews acquired family names. A more likely name for a Jewish barrelmaker might be Fass or Bondar.

    When Cooper is a Jewish family name, I suspect it represents an anglicization of Kupfer — German for copper.

    Craftsmanship of all kinds (including coppersmithing and glass-making of course) was indeed a major Jewish occupation in Eastern Europe (and, incidentally if not immediately relevant to your question, in North Africa and the Middle East). (Sorry, unz readers, to puncture your idea of us as bankers, bolsheviks and tax collectors.)

    Back to Glazer, I guess that's close enough to the German word for it, Glasierer. Then again, glaz (глаз) in Russian means eye so there be be another story there...

    (Sorry, unz readers, to puncture your idea of us as bankers, bolsheviks and tax collectors.)

    I recall that a noticeable number of small storekeepers and tradespeople in New York City in the 1970s and 1980s that I came across (shoe repair, locksmiths and so on) were Jewish. This was true in both Forest Hills in Queens (then very Jewish) and in Manhattan (much less so.)

    It’s less common now. I guess their kids listened to Mom and went on to law school or medical school.

  62. @Buzz Mohawk
    I know a Jewish farmer right here in Connecticut. No kidding. Great guy.

    And let's not forget Max Yazgur, who let a bunch of kids listen to music on his farm in New York for a little thing called Woodstock.

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6c/65/09/6c650971dc2c315793c0a1fb2c5a6a1a.jpg

    We are starlights, we are golden…

  63. @Lurker
    Glazier is the term generally used rather than glazer. Much less common than Cooper as a surname. I've heard of people with the name but never met one.

    I'm guessing that at the time surnames began to be formelised window making was a still rarity whereas barrel makers would be everywhere.

    Windows were taxed, which would have limited the number of customers who could afford them, and thus the number of businesses providing them.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Although windows were taxed, most homes and virtually every business had them. Glass and window installing were big business in medieval and renaissance times. Windows are necessary especially in workshops where the workers needed to see what they were doing. The big windows and skylights needed in workshops and factories were the incentive needed for glass makers to make bigger and bigger sheets of glass.

    For homes of every size, windows were a necessity so people to see during the day. Rush lights candles lamps were more expensive than paying a window tax

    Just as we know we’ll have to pay property tax when we buy a piece of real estate today, people accepted that their windows would be taxed.
    No income tax, no sales tax, the window tax was small compared to the taxes moderns pay.
  64. @Lurker
    Glazier is the term generally used rather than glazer. Much less common than Cooper as a surname. I've heard of people with the name but never met one.

    I'm guessing that at the time surnames began to be formelised window making was a still rarity whereas barrel makers would be everywhere.

    If glazer is an occupational name it probably refers to the people who painted the glass on tiles and other objects before the object was put into the kiln to bake the glaze.

  65. @International Jew
    Well, Cooper is an English word, and England isn't where very many Jews acquired family names. A more likely name for a Jewish barrelmaker might be Fass or Bondar.

    When Cooper is a Jewish family name, I suspect it represents an anglicization of Kupfer — German for copper.

    Craftsmanship of all kinds (including coppersmithing and glass-making of course) was indeed a major Jewish occupation in Eastern Europe (and, incidentally if not immediately relevant to your question, in North Africa and the Middle East). (Sorry, unz readers, to puncture your idea of us as bankers, bolsheviks and tax collectors.)

    Back to Glazer, I guess that's close enough to the German word for it, Glasierer. Then again, glaz (глаз) in Russian means eye so there be be another story there...

    A glazier, installer of windows is not a glazer. Nor is a glazer a maker of glass.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Thanks. I never learned the family business because, early on, my dad pulled me aside and said, "IJ, when I'm gone the geschäft will go to your older brother Yitzchok. You better hit the books and learn a profession."
    , @Jack D
    Although the English word (by way of the French) is "glazier" , the surname Glazer comes to us from the Yiddish (by way of the German) and means the same thing. As you say, it doesn't mean actually making glass but rather the occupation of fitting plate glass into doors and windows.
  66. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Windows were taxed, which would have limited the number of customers who could afford them, and thus the number of businesses providing them.

    Although windows were taxed, most homes and virtually every business had them. Glass and window installing were big business in medieval and renaissance times. Windows are necessary especially in workshops where the workers needed to see what they were doing. The big windows and skylights needed in workshops and factories were the incentive needed for glass makers to make bigger and bigger sheets of glass.

    For homes of every size, windows were a necessity so people to see during the day. Rush lights candles lamps were more expensive than paying a window tax

    Just as we know we’ll have to pay property tax when we buy a piece of real estate today, people accepted that their windows would be taxed.
    No income tax, no sales tax, the window tax was small compared to the taxes moderns pay.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    "Coopers" was another word for "People who worked at breweries".

    Except in the cities, and the major rural towns, breweries were not co-located with breweries, hence the need for "barrels" and "coopers".

    Sure they may not all have been actual Coopers, just as 90 percent of our contemporaries who call themselves athletes are not athletes, because breweries were big places and the Coopers were only part of the great gig.

    "Glaziers" were, in comparison, the hairdressers of their day - mostly worked with the women of the house, and were very precise and finicky. Not a lot of descendants, if you take my meaning.

    For example, watch the original "Poseidon Adventure", in which the difference between the glaziers of the world and the coopers of the world is a major plot point.

  67. The best mechanic I ever had was Jewish. He simply loved cars. He did all sorts of business deals on the side and ended up quite wealthy. His father was a self-made millionaire before he was 21. ( He got married at 17- I think for some men, getting married early encouraged them to get rich, as they weren’t chasing tail as much. Of course, that must have been in New York in the late 30’s.) I had a sort of “Bronx Tale” relationship with his son, my mechanic, as he was about 10 years older than me. I found him interesting as he was way more conservative than other Jews I knew, and was very race realist.
    He could diagnose a car problem over the phone, and I never knew him to be wrong. Despite having grown up in a wealthy Long Island suburb, he started businesses while he was in high school. He told me that in high school in the early 60’s, he was making $10,000 a year with his window washing and lawn cutting business while buying and selling cars on the side, which was more money than many of his friend’s father’s were making!
    He illustrated Steve’s point about IQ- life is an IQ test. When you deal with a smart person in any profession, things go better, be they carpenters or doctors.

  68. @grey enlightenment2
    Spite Lee's career faltered in 1990? Didn't he have many hit movies in the 90's?

    Spike’s career never reached the peaks projected for it in 1986-1989.

    E.g., Spike may get his first Best Director nomination this year for the really inept but extremely pro-Semitic “BlacKkKlansman.”

  69. @jon

    Why don’t all people who are two or three SDs above the mean-mean for all humans just form their own religion/ethnicity/tribe?
     
    This is actually pretty much what the Jews do. Look at all of the 1/2 or 1/4 Jewish (or even less sometimes) successful people out there who claim this ethnic heritage. Hell, look at Trump - his daughter converted, his two sons married Jewish women, so a once German/Scottish lineage has been transformed for future generations. And don't you think Zuckerberg's kids, with his Asian wife, will still consider themselves Jewish? I've met more than one mixed race person who identifies as a Jew. As Jews become more secular, and as they continue to intermarry at high rates, they are just becoming an ethnicity based on wealth/success/power.

    You make an interesting point. I’m 1/4 but don’t identify, and my grandfather who was never did. That side of the family was notably not affiliated with any religious organization, and I didn’t grow up in one. My mother was the Methodist who lost out. All she got to do was read me the story of Jesus when I was three years old.

    Maybe there could just be an IQ test and a financial report to become a Jew. My wife and I would join, knowing that it is the inevitable future. We’ve joked about the idea, she more than me even. It is better to be in the upper echelon, and we don’t owe anybody anything — quite the contrary. See? I’m even cold-hearted enough.

    Since I don’t believe any of the fairy tales, it just doesn’t matter. (I do believe in God, but that has nothing to do with it. These religions have nothing to do with God.) It is easy to study how phony a religion can be, and how easily one can get started and grow. Witness the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (“Mormons,” though they don’t like that name anymore) and witness the “Church” of Scientology. Both entirely made up, and both rich with lots of followers.

    The Mormons in particular have done very well, having lots of white children right in the middle of the greatest country on Earth. Notably, they have a hierarchical view of Heaven and personal success on Earth. Many of them are quite materially successful, and they respect that as much as Jews do. I studied their history and have had Mormon friends. It all began as a big lie and a phony book, and I am certain Jewish history began and continues the same way.

    In my opinion, it is more that likely that Judaism, Talmudism, Christianity, Islam, etc. all started under equally false pretenses and just grew the way stupid trends do. So why not join the best team you are qualified for? If I’m good enough to play for the Yankees, maybe I’ll just play for the damn Yankees then.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    (“Mormons,” though they don’t like that name anymore)
     
    The rank and file were as surprised as everyone else when the nonagerian Big Cheese pulled this out of his ass recently:

    With eight words, 11 syllables and one hyphen, the full name of the Mormon Church is quite the mouthful: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    Given its cumbersome name, it’s unsurprising that both members and nonmembers of the Utah-based faith have long used abbreviations, such as Mormon and LDS. Take, for example, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir or the LDS Business College. A 2014 documentary film meant to raise awareness of the church is titled “Meet the Mormons.” A famous ad campaign popularized the slogan “I’m a Mormon.” Even the church’s official websites use Mormon in their addresses.

    But Thursday, the church’s leader, President Russell M. Nelson, announced that he wants people to stop using “Mormon” and “LDS” — abbreviations that have been the subject of numerous debates throughout the religion’s history.
     

  70. @International Jew

    back in the early 1970s, neoconservatives were often first-rate social scientists interested in empirically studying domestic issues rather than merely the Israel Booster Club.
     
    Well, today we have other first-rate neoconservative social scientists, such as Steven Pinker and Jonathan Haidt, whose primary interest isn't politics. Conversely, in the 70s we had, alongside the serious social scientists, the politically-minded Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol.

    You're blind to these subtleties (which aren't even so subtle) because when it comes to Jews you're always after some kind of grand unified theory.

    Well, today we have other first-rate neoconservative social scientists, such as Steven Pinker and Jonathan Haidt, whose primary interest isn’t politics. Conversely, in the 70s we had, alongside the serious social scientists, the politically-minded Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol.

    You’re blind to these subtleties (which aren’t even so subtle) because when it comes to Jews you’re always after some kind of grand unified theory.

    Pinker and Haidt are interesting guys doing useful work. I’d never thought of them as “neoconservatives”, but as liberals who aren’t looney, so have ergo “drifted” right because of liberalism moving “left” on the it’s whitey’s fault! stuff, not obviously on economics. From what I understand of Haidt maybe he’s actually moved as a result of the results of his own work–appreciating the different values of conservatives so seeing himself as a centrist.

    I didn’t think Steve was saying there aren’t sharp Jews doing interesting work in social science–heck he talks about Pinker and Haidt regularly. I think he’s just making the point about the trajectory of this particular–primarily Jewish–political movement. It’s certainly seems to me the case, that gen 2 didn’t seem to have either much interesting to say about social science, nor much interest in saying it. (Occasional nod to conservative pieties, but their hearts were elsewhere.)

    The other thing that was clearly in the mix there was of course that these gen1 guys rejected the traditional Jewish fawning/fellow-travellering/excuse-making with regards to the Soviet Union, seeing the American order as a better much better one (for Jews, but presumably for people in general). For gen2 that issue collapsed mid-career.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Pinker and Haidt are interesting guys doing useful work. I’d never thought of them as “neoconservatives”, but as liberals who aren’t looney, so have ergo “drifted” right because of liberalism moving “left” on the it’s whitey’s fault! stuff, not obviously on economics.
     
    The question is not so much whether they are "conservative" or "liberal", but whether that are American.

    In other words, what is their stance on Israel and on immigration into the United States?
  71. @BB753
    So, Glazer wasn't part of the Israel Booster club, but in the end reconciled himself with Affirmative Action once he saw it wasn't hurting his Tribe? How refreshing!

    Now they LOVE it since all the affirmative action seats come out of the white gentile share. Harvard is now <50% white. NAMs have a ~30% share despite lack of qualifications. Studyasians are already overrepresented and are shamelessly agitating for an even greater share. Not clear exactly what the Jewish share is (Ron estimates something like 15-25% which seems ridiculous, not to say it isn't true), but no question they've managed to stay massively overrepresented even as white gentiles fall way below population share and way way below their qualifications (especially white males who really shouldn't even bother applying unless they are legacy/athlete/donor/politically connected). Working out great for the tribe!

    That reminds me. The talk about horrible Jewish quotas at the Ivies way back when provokes almost as much kvetching as the country club thing ("the Golfocaust"). It's true that there was a quota. But Harvard's quota was a rather generous 15 percent. When I saw the actual number and how high it was, I was like, you gotta be kidding me, they're still upset about that…

  72. @Fabian Forge
    I wouldn't call her a Corbynista, until very recently she was doing her best to undermine him. Only now that he is firmly in control of Labour is she jumping on the bandwagon.

    I wouldn’t call her a Corbynista, until very recently she was doing her best to undermine him. Only now that he is firmly in control of Labour is she jumping on the bandwagon.

    What does she think of his idea for separate buses for women?

  73. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    You make an interesting point. I'm 1/4 but don't identify, and my grandfather who was never did. That side of the family was notably not affiliated with any religious organization, and I didn't grow up in one. My mother was the Methodist who lost out. All she got to do was read me the story of Jesus when I was three years old.

    Maybe there could just be an IQ test and a financial report to become a Jew. My wife and I would join, knowing that it is the inevitable future. We've joked about the idea, she more than me even. It is better to be in the upper echelon, and we don't owe anybody anything -- quite the contrary. See? I'm even cold-hearted enough.

    Since I don't believe any of the fairy tales, it just doesn't matter. (I do believe in God, but that has nothing to do with it. These religions have nothing to do with God.) It is easy to study how phony a religion can be, and how easily one can get started and grow. Witness the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ("Mormons," though they don't like that name anymore) and witness the "Church" of Scientology. Both entirely made up, and both rich with lots of followers.

    The Mormons in particular have done very well, having lots of white children right in the middle of the greatest country on Earth. Notably, they have a hierarchical view of Heaven and personal success on Earth. Many of them are quite materially successful, and they respect that as much as Jews do. I studied their history and have had Mormon friends. It all began as a big lie and a phony book, and I am certain Jewish history began and continues the same way.

    In my opinion, it is more that likely that Judaism, Talmudism, Christianity, Islam, etc. all started under equally false pretenses and just grew the way stupid trends do. So why not join the best team you are qualified for? If I'm good enough to play for the Yankees, maybe I'll just play for the damn Yankees then.

    (“Mormons,” though they don’t like that name anymore)

    The rank and file were as surprised as everyone else when the nonagerian Big Cheese pulled this out of his ass recently:

    With eight words, 11 syllables and one hyphen, the full name of the Mormon Church is quite the mouthful: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    Given its cumbersome name, it’s unsurprising that both members and nonmembers of the Utah-based faith have long used abbreviations, such as Mormon and LDS. Take, for example, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir or the LDS Business College. A 2014 documentary film meant to raise awareness of the church is titled “Meet the Mormons.” A famous ad campaign popularized the slogan “I’m a Mormon.” Even the church’s official websites use Mormon in their addresses.

    But Thursday, the church’s leader, President Russell M. Nelson, announced that he wants people to stop using “Mormon” and “LDS” — abbreviations that have been the subject of numerous debates throughout the religion’s history.

  74. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    Well, Cooper is an English word, and England isn't where very many Jews acquired family names. A more likely name for a Jewish barrelmaker might be Fass or Bondar.

    When Cooper is a Jewish family name, I suspect it represents an anglicization of Kupfer — German for copper.

    Craftsmanship of all kinds (including coppersmithing and glass-making of course) was indeed a major Jewish occupation in Eastern Europe (and, incidentally if not immediately relevant to your question, in North Africa and the Middle East). (Sorry, unz readers, to puncture your idea of us as bankers, bolsheviks and tax collectors.)

    Back to Glazer, I guess that's close enough to the German word for it, Glasierer. Then again, glaz (глаз) in Russian means eye so there be be another story there...

    A more likely name for a Jewish barrelmaker might be Fass or Bondar.

    I’m reminded of Myron Fass, who published a huge number of pulp magazines out of his New York office on every imaginable subject. He was particularly famous for his UFO magazines, and was once satirized in MAD magazine or its imitator Cracked as “Myruff Ass”.

    Myron Fass
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Myron Fass

    Born March 29, 1926
    Brooklyn, New York
    Died September 14, 2006 (aged 80)
    Fort Lauderdale, Florida
    Nationality American
    Area(s) Artist, Publisher
    Pseudonym(s) Chief Merion Riley-Foss
    Notable works
    Tempest Publications
    National Mirror, Inc.
    Countrywide Publications
    M. F. Enterprises
    Eerie Publications
    CFV Publishers
    Creative Arts
    Collaborators Jeff Goodman

    Myron Fass (March 29, 1926 – September 14, 2006)[1] was an American publisher of pulp magazines and comic books, operating from the 1950s through the 1990s under a multitude of company names, including M. F. Enterprises and Eerie Publications. At his height in the 1970s, Fass was known as the biggest — multi-title newsstand magazine publisher in the country.[2] He put out up to fifty titles a month, many of them one-offs, covering any subject matter he thought would sell, from soft-core pornography to professional wrestling, UFOs to punk rock, horror films to firearm magazines.

    Biography
    Early life

    Fass was born in Brooklyn, New York, the son of an Orthodox Jewish laborer.[3]
    Comics artist

    Starting in 1948 and until the mid-1950s shrinkage of the industry initiated by the institution of the Comics Code, Fass illustrated horror, crime, romance, Western, and other comics for a multitude of publishers, including Ace Periodicals, Avon Comics, Charlton Comics, Fawcett Comics, Feature Comics, Fox Comics, Lev Gleason Publications, Magazine Enterprises, Marvel Comics, Story Comics, Street & Smith Comics, and Trojan Comics. Fass produced some of this material with the S. M. Iger Studio from 1949–1953. For Toby Press, Fass was a regular artist on Dr. Anthony King, Hollywood Love Doctor, Great Lover Romances, John Wayne Adventure Comics, Tales of Horror, and War.

    Publisher

    In 1956, Fass packaged the Whitestone Publishing title Lunatickle, one of the first imitators of EC’s Mad magazine. (Fass was a huge admirer of EC publisher William Gaines.) The girlie magazine Foto-Rama and the monster magazine Shock Tales soon followed.

    Backed by William Harris, who invented the Harris Press (still used today),[3] by the beginning of the 1960s Fass was publishing his own material under the company name Tempest Publications. It was during this period that Fass launched the pin-up girlie mags Pic, Buccaneer, Poorboy, and Jaguar. Other Tempest publications were the “newspaper magazine” Quick, Companion, and the over-the-top tabloid National Mirror. Al Goldstein worked for Fass in 1968 before starting Screw magazine, writing for the National Mirror, the new tabloid Hush-Hush News, and the digest-sized girlie titles Pic and Bold.

    In 1966 William Harris’s son Stanley R. Harris partnered with Fass to form the black-and-white horror magazine publisher Eerie Publications.[5] Eerie’s output was a low-rent response to the popularity of the Warren Publishing horror comic magazines Creepy and Eerie. Fass’s titles, all of which featured grisly, lurid color covers, included Weird, Horror Tales, Terror Tales, Tales from the Tomb, Tales of Voodoo, and Witches’ Tales. Fass’s brother Irving worked as an art director, and an old collaborator from the Iger studio days, Robert W. Farrell, had the title of publisher.[6]

    Eerie stayed in business until 1981, although co-owner Harris left in 1976 after a series of disputes with the mercurial Fass.Harris immediately went on to form the consumer magazine publisher Harris Publications.

    Also in 1966, Fass formed M. F. Enterprises, a four-color comic publisher whose main product was Captain Marvel, a short-lived attempt by Golden Age cartoonist Carl Burgos, to revive the long-dormant Fawcett Comics superhero in slightly different form. M. F. Enterprises also published an Archie-style teen humor comic and a western series. M. F. Enterprises only published comics for two years, though Fass continued to use the company name for his magazines.

    In the 1970s, under the company name Countrywide Publications, Fass began producing more one-shots and pushing even further the boundaries of good taste, with magazines on such topics as the Kennedy assassination, Elvis Presley’s death, and the shooting of Hustler publisher Larry Flynt. As such, Fass was responsible for almost every bottom-of-the barrel publication to come out in the decade. If any sleaze or exploitation magazine was successful enough, his company would imitate it — often multiple times. If anybody was famous, he published a quickie magazine to cash in on their fame. Fass’s standard of success was 20,000 copies sold per issue.[3] During this period, Fass was known to wear a loaded gun to work He lived in New Jersey with his wife Phyllis and an assortment of luxury automobiles.

    By the mid-1980s Fass had become increasingly erratic, both in his behavior and publishing output. He moved to Ocala, Florida, where he ran a gun shop and continued to publish (mostly firearm-related) magazines. During this period, Fass published under the name CFV Publishers and called himself “Chief Merion Riley-Foss.” His son David worked with him.

    In the mid-1990s, Fass and his son David were still in Florida publishing gun magazines and other titles under the company name Creative Arts. According to former employee Jeff Goodman, by this time Fass was showing signs of paranoia and would not talk to anyone.
    Death

    Fass died in 2006, in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

  75. @jon

    Why don’t all people who are two or three SDs above the mean-mean for all humans just form their own religion/ethnicity/tribe?
     
    This is actually pretty much what the Jews do. Look at all of the 1/2 or 1/4 Jewish (or even less sometimes) successful people out there who claim this ethnic heritage. Hell, look at Trump - his daughter converted, his two sons married Jewish women, so a once German/Scottish lineage has been transformed for future generations. And don't you think Zuckerberg's kids, with his Asian wife, will still consider themselves Jewish? I've met more than one mixed race person who identifies as a Jew. As Jews become more secular, and as they continue to intermarry at high rates, they are just becoming an ethnicity based on wealth/success/power.

    Eric’s wife is not Jewish, Don Jr’s ex-wife is half-Jewish.

    Both of them are already half-Czech btw.

  76. @Anon
    A glazier, installer of windows is not a glazer. Nor is a glazer a maker of glass.

    Thanks. I never learned the family business because, early on, my dad pulled me aside and said, “IJ, when I’m gone the geschäft will go to your older brother Yitzchok. You better hit the books and learn a profession.”

  77. @Whiskey
    Louis Farrakhan is not down with the Jews. When Ilhan Omar becomes speaker expect a general Jew purge complete with camps and stars.

    Pelosi won't live forever.

    Other Whites will be next.

    When Ilhan Omar becomes speaker expect a general Jew purge complete with camps and stars.

    Maybe that’s true. I doubt it, but maybe. BUT, hell will freeze over before Omar becomes Speaker of the House. Every political party has fringes but the Speaker generally comes from near the center. The most Leftist member of the House is not going to be elected Speaker. Nor is America going to shift so far to the left that Omar becomes a centrist figure no matter how many Mexicans we let in.

  78. @Anon
    A glazier, installer of windows is not a glazer. Nor is a glazer a maker of glass.

    Although the English word (by way of the French) is “glazier” , the surname Glazer comes to us from the Yiddish (by way of the German) and means the same thing. As you say, it doesn’t mean actually making glass but rather the occupation of fitting plate glass into doors and windows.

  79. @RonaldB
    How is Jonathan Haidt a neocon? My understanding is the etymologically, neocon derives from "new conservative" or one who brings other (Trotsky) baggage to his conservative principles.

    Functionally, neocon generally denotes a nominal conservative who favors large-scale foreign interventions, and almost unrestricted immigration into the US to take advantage of the social benefit programs also favored by neocons.

    Defining neocon as you do makes Steve’s allegation tautologically true.

  80. anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Although windows were taxed, most homes and virtually every business had them. Glass and window installing were big business in medieval and renaissance times. Windows are necessary especially in workshops where the workers needed to see what they were doing. The big windows and skylights needed in workshops and factories were the incentive needed for glass makers to make bigger and bigger sheets of glass.

    For homes of every size, windows were a necessity so people to see during the day. Rush lights candles lamps were more expensive than paying a window tax

    Just as we know we’ll have to pay property tax when we buy a piece of real estate today, people accepted that their windows would be taxed.
    No income tax, no sales tax, the window tax was small compared to the taxes moderns pay.

    “Coopers” was another word for “People who worked at breweries”.

    Except in the cities, and the major rural towns, breweries were not co-located with breweries, hence the need for “barrels” and “coopers”.

    Sure they may not all have been actual Coopers, just as 90 percent of our contemporaries who call themselves athletes are not athletes, because breweries were big places and the Coopers were only part of the great gig.

    “Glaziers” were, in comparison, the hairdressers of their day – mostly worked with the women of the house, and were very precise and finicky. Not a lot of descendants, if you take my meaning.

    For example, watch the original “Poseidon Adventure”, in which the difference between the glaziers of the world and the coopers of the world is a major plot point.

  81. anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:

    anonymous 180 said: since inquisitive minds might wonder:

    I meant to say —

    “breweries were not co-located with inns and taverns” NOT “breweries were not co-located with breweries” …. but you and I knew that …..

    That was a Chestertonian inside joke, tailored for people who already knew what I was talking about (that happy band of friends and colleagues!) or a mistake. Whatever. There have been billions of unboring internet comments, about two percent of them have really clear mistakes of spelling or lexicon, and these details are always less important than real details about the truth of metaphysics and that sort of thing ….

    “Ernest Borgnine said: I think we all have the urge to be a clown, whether we know it or not ….”

    And yes, I was right about the descendants of coopers and the descendants of the fancy men who worked on windows. There have been a hundred billion comments on millions of internet sites and I was the first person, out of all those millions of people who wrote those billions of comments, to point out that Glaziers were much less interested in being good honest men with lots of descendants than Coopers were.

    So there’s that.

    (For the record, my family name, as registered with the Social Security Administration (dread words!) translated into English, is Tinsmith or, more plainly, Smith, but I prefer Tinsmith. )

    • Replies: @anonymous
    For the record, if you think Pynchon and David Foster Wallace Simpson just to name a couple of guys who used to live near me, are great writers, who are worth your precious hours on this earth, just to read their "books" .... and that I .... I a poor anonymous commenter, wasted your time ......

    out of the goodness of my heart I will say this .....

    time will tell.

    And even time does not matter.

    Read the Bible, look into your heart, be true to the good things that have been revealed to you.


    You never waste your time when you say to yourself,

    "I wouldn't trade those 10 years for anything" (as Ernest Borgnine used to say) because in those 10 years

    you were a friend to a creature who never had a friend in this world.

    Why do I bother? I will tell you why.

    Because who else is gonna explain the good things Ernest Borgnine said?

    Philippians 1-2.

    Don't ever trade the good times when you cared so much about other people for anything less.

    Now feel free to reread anything you want to reread, but I just told you the most important thing you may ever hear ----- don't trade the times when you cared about other people for anything less.

  82. anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    anonymous 180 said: since inquisitive minds might wonder:


    I meant to say ---

    "breweries were not co-located with inns and taverns" NOT "breweries were not co-located with breweries" .... but you and I knew that .....

    That was a Chestertonian inside joke, tailored for people who already knew what I was talking about (that happy band of friends and colleagues!) or a mistake. Whatever. There have been billions of unboring internet comments, about two percent of them have really clear mistakes of spelling or lexicon, and these details are always less important than real details about the truth of metaphysics and that sort of thing ....

    "Ernest Borgnine said: I think we all have the urge to be a clown, whether we know it or not ...."

    And yes, I was right about the descendants of coopers and the descendants of the fancy men who worked on windows. There have been a hundred billion comments on millions of internet sites and I was the first person, out of all those millions of people who wrote those billions of comments, to point out that Glaziers were much less interested in being good honest men with lots of descendants than Coopers were.

    So there's that.

    (For the record, my family name, as registered with the Social Security Administration (dread words!) translated into English, is Tinsmith or, more plainly, Smith, but I prefer Tinsmith. )

    For the record, if you think Pynchon and David Foster Wallace Simpson just to name a couple of guys who used to live near me, are great writers, who are worth your precious hours on this earth, just to read their “books” …. and that I …. I a poor anonymous commenter, wasted your time ……

    out of the goodness of my heart I will say this …..

    time will tell.

    And even time does not matter.

    Read the Bible, look into your heart, be true to the good things that have been revealed to you.

    You never waste your time when you say to yourself,

    “I wouldn’t trade those 10 years for anything” (as Ernest Borgnine used to say) because in those 10 years

    you were a friend to a creature who never had a friend in this world.

    Why do I bother? I will tell you why.

    Because who else is gonna explain the good things Ernest Borgnine said?

    Philippians 1-2.

    Don’t ever trade the good times when you cared so much about other people for anything less.

    Now feel free to reread anything you want to reread, but I just told you the most important thing you may ever hear —– don’t trade the times when you cared about other people for anything less.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Now feel free to reread anything you want to reread, but I just told you the most important thing you may ever hear —– don’t trade the times when you cared about other people for anything less.
     
    How does one create times where one cares about other people? What can make one care about other people?
  83. For some guys, John Donne notwithstanding, you’re tempted not to give a RIP.

  84. @Buzz Mohawk
    Here's a thought: Why don't all people who are two or three SDs above the mean-mean for all humans just form their own religion/ethnicity/tribe? Oh, is that what is happening? Hmm...

    No, there is probably no logic that can override the subconscious-unconscious tribal push that is both in your DNA and in your mother's lectures. So the smart part of one curve will always push against the smart parts of everyone else's curves. War and history will continue as always.

    We're really stupid.

    Oh, is that what is happening? Hmm…

    Yes, that is what is happening actually. High SES Whites are being bred away into the Jewish, Oriental, and subcontinental gene pools.

  85. @Ragged
    "So it is absolutely wrong to infer any ideal sense of sacrifice in the Jews from the fact that they stand together in struggle, or, better expressed, in the plundering of their fellow men." - Mein Kampf

    Change one word, and this is exactly the thesis of Coates' magnum opus, and everyone's pretending not to notice. Coates has written about Hitler in the past, and perhaps someone should ask him if Adolf was an inspiration.

    Change one word, and this is exactly the thesis of Coates’ magnum opus

    What do you mean?

  86. @attilathehen
    Nathan Glazer's second wife is Tamil - Sulochana Raghavan.

    He had children with his first wife. He has grandchildren. I don't know what types his daughters married, but given the propensity of Jews to marry blacks/Asians, his changing family demographics I'm sure caused him to change his mind about affirmative action.

    but given the propensity of Jews to marry blacks/Asians

    Uh, Jews have zero propensity to marry blacks.

  87. @Counterinsurgency
    You are fighting if you know it or being massacred if you don't.

    First generation established a camouflaged position against light opposition.
    Second generation improved the position by adding personnel and mounting small attacks against light opposition.
    Third generation attacked on a large scale.

    SOP since the Ugh, the greatest tactician H. Sapiens ever produced. See Amy Chua, _World on Fire_, 2006, for recent instances.

    Counterinsurgency

    Who are “the Ugh”? Uighurs?

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    The "best tactician since Ugh" line comes from Robert Asprin's "Myth-Adventure" series. It is meant to imply that the greatest lactation who ever lived was on the order of 50 or so thousand years ago, before language was fully developed, with the subsidiary implication that the principle cited (occupy a position and then improve it) has been known for a very long time. Presumably Ugh was the first Homo Sapiens to figure that out.

    Counterinsurgency
  88. @International Jew

    back in the early 1970s, neoconservatives were often first-rate social scientists interested in empirically studying domestic issues rather than merely the Israel Booster Club.
     
    Well, today we have other first-rate neoconservative social scientists, such as Steven Pinker and Jonathan Haidt, whose primary interest isn't politics. Conversely, in the 70s we had, alongside the serious social scientists, the politically-minded Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol.

    You're blind to these subtleties (which aren't even so subtle) because when it comes to Jews you're always after some kind of grand unified theory.

    Steven Pinker and Jonathan Haidt, whose primary interest isn’t politics.

    If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

  89. @International Jew

    Well, if it was good enough for your old uncle Albert...it’s good enough for us knuckleheads.
     
    I accept your compliment, while abstaining from your generalization about gentiles.

    Go ahead, deny the fact that today “neocon” means someone pushing foreign entanglements and Middle East wars for someone’s benefit.
     
    I won't. But I can't be responsible for other people's politically motivated misuse of language.

    Do it. Your very act would confirm the whole point and prove the Grand Unified Theory.
     
    Which Grand Unified Theory now, Albert's or the knuckleheads'?

    I accept your compliment, while abstaining from your generalization about gentiles.

    Abstaining, but not rejecting or denying.

  90. @Anonymous
    There is a Jewish Glazer family in Kansas City who were famous for a comedy club. The father apparently in his 90s is still alive, three of his sons are deceased now. The family's infighting was notorious for quite some time.

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article216822645.html

    (Linkk to the Kansas City Star, once sung of by Roger Miller, now a thoroughly worthless bird cage liner....)

    Craig Glazer most recently was comedy promoter for Stanford’s Comedy Club in downtown Kansas City. He is preceded in death by his brothers, Jeff Glazer and Jack Glazer. File

    Craig Glazer, comedy club impressario and all-around colorful character, died late Wednesday or early Thursday at Research Medical Center.

    Longtime friend Ted McKnight confirmed Thursday that Glazer, thought to be in his mid-60s, had been battling several health issues, including leukemia.

    “Craig lived his life with his hair on fire,” McKnight said Thursday. “He was a very colorful guy. He would very seldom bite his tongue in the sense of how he would say things.

    “I think everybody should have a friend like that, that’s going to tell you the truth as opposed to sugar-coating things,” McKnight continued, “and Craig was like that.”

    Glazer most recently was comedy promoter for Stanford’s Comedy Club in downtown Kansas City. It was the latest stint in a career spent owning or managing comedy venues — in Westport, the Legends and elsewhere — along with his father, Stanford Glazer, and late brothers, Jeff Glazer and Jack Glazer.

    “We are one of the oldest family-owned comedy clubs in the United States,” Craig Glazer told The Star in 2014. “My father, brother and I had the idea of doing comedy shows featuring David Naster on Sunday nights.

    “We booked a lot of young comedians who couldn’t get jobs elsewhere, such as Sinbad and Louie Anderson,” Glazer continued in the story. “We then became a hub ... for young comedians like Sam Kinison, Gabe Kaplan and Jerry Seinfeld, who weren’t ready for the handful of clubs on the West Coast.”

    Craig Glazer was preceded in death by his two brothers. Jeff Glazer died April 29 of complications from a brain tumor. Jack Glazer died in an automobile accident in 2011. Stanford Glazer currently lives in Arizona.

    The brothers and their father were at odds at times. Stanford Glazer lost a lawsuit against Craig and Jeff Glazer in 2000. He had claimed they had broken an oral contract to pay him $5,000 a month as a royalty for transferring the comedy club to the sons.

    Craig Glazer attended Shawnee Mission East High School. He later developed relationships with both Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier, producing the boxing documentary “Champions Forever.”

    Glazer wrote a memoir about his experiences in the 1970s posing as an undercover drug officer, setting up deals and then making off with the money and the drugs.

    In 2001, Glazer said he planned to run for mayor of Kansas City to raise the city’s profile.

    Listing his qualifications to a Star columnist, Glazer said: “I’ve been in jail. I’ve been in a gunfight. I’ve hung out with movie stars. I’ve built a business up from the ashes. I’ve lived life.”

    Months later he was indicted by a federal grand jury for conspiracy to distribute cocaine. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to three years on probation and fined $5,000. Prosecutors said Glazer’s role had been buying small amounts of cocaine to offer performers and others at his comedy club. He’d had previous cocaine convictions in 1975 and 1985.

    Glazer told Judge Nanette K. Laughrey that he had matured and apologized for breaking the law. Laughrey had sentenced other drug offenders to prison but she told Glazer, “I think we benefit in Kansas City by having you here in the community and making a contribution to it.”

    McKnight said he was given charge of Glazer’s cellphone when he went into the intensive care unit at the hospital. McKnight said he had to turn it off because so many people from across the country were calling when they heard Glazer was ill.

    Glazer’s beloved dachshund, Junior, also had recently died.

    “Now they’re back together again,” McKnight said.

     

    Are you sure they weren’t German or English?

  91. @Anonymous

    Artie Kornfeld
     
    He was also behind The Wind in The Willows and further put out a similar sounding solo album with a cover by the same artist and in the same style. So obscure it's hard to find a picture of it.

    Also, he was co-writer of "Dead man's Curve", by Jan and Dean:

    "Dead Man's Curve" is a 1964 hit song by Jan and Dean whose lyrics detail a teen street race gone awry. It reached number eight on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart. The song was written and composed by Brian Wilson, Artie Kornfeld, Roger Christian, and Jan Berry at Wilson's mother's house in Santa Monica. It was part of the teenage tragedy song phenomenon of that period, and one of the most popular such selections of all time.
     

    Artie Kornfeld

    Jews were indeed farmers.

  92. Anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Well, today we have other first-rate neoconservative social scientists, such as Steven Pinker and Jonathan Haidt, whose primary interest isn’t politics. Conversely, in the 70s we had, alongside the serious social scientists, the politically-minded Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol.

    You’re blind to these subtleties (which aren’t even so subtle) because when it comes to Jews you’re always after some kind of grand unified theory.
     
    Pinker and Haidt are interesting guys doing useful work. I'd never thought of them as "neoconservatives", but as liberals who aren't looney, so have ergo "drifted" right because of liberalism moving "left" on the it's whitey's fault! stuff, not obviously on economics. From what I understand of Haidt maybe he's actually moved as a result of the results of his own work--appreciating the different values of conservatives so seeing himself as a centrist.

    I didn't think Steve was saying there aren't sharp Jews doing interesting work in social science--heck he talks about Pinker and Haidt regularly. I think he's just making the point about the trajectory of this particular--primarily Jewish--political movement. It's certainly seems to me the case, that gen 2 didn't seem to have either much interesting to say about social science, nor much interest in saying it. (Occasional nod to conservative pieties, but their hearts were elsewhere.)

    The other thing that was clearly in the mix there was of course that these gen1 guys rejected the traditional Jewish fawning/fellow-travellering/excuse-making with regards to the Soviet Union, seeing the American order as a better much better one (for Jews, but presumably for people in general). For gen2 that issue collapsed mid-career.

    Pinker and Haidt are interesting guys doing useful work. I’d never thought of them as “neoconservatives”, but as liberals who aren’t looney, so have ergo “drifted” right because of liberalism moving “left” on the it’s whitey’s fault! stuff, not obviously on economics.

    The question is not so much whether they are “conservative” or “liberal”, but whether that are American.

    In other words, what is their stance on Israel and on immigration into the United States?

  93. @International Jew
    Well, Cooper is an English word, and England isn't where very many Jews acquired family names. A more likely name for a Jewish barrelmaker might be Fass or Bondar.

    When Cooper is a Jewish family name, I suspect it represents an anglicization of Kupfer — German for copper.

    Craftsmanship of all kinds (including coppersmithing and glass-making of course) was indeed a major Jewish occupation in Eastern Europe (and, incidentally if not immediately relevant to your question, in North Africa and the Middle East). (Sorry, unz readers, to puncture your idea of us as bankers, bolsheviks and tax collectors.)

    Back to Glazer, I guess that's close enough to the German word for it, Glasierer. Then again, glaz (глаз) in Russian means eye so there be be another story there...

    A more likely name for a Jewish barrelmaker might be Fass or Bondar.

    What about “Binder”?

  94. Anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    For the record, if you think Pynchon and David Foster Wallace Simpson just to name a couple of guys who used to live near me, are great writers, who are worth your precious hours on this earth, just to read their "books" .... and that I .... I a poor anonymous commenter, wasted your time ......

    out of the goodness of my heart I will say this .....

    time will tell.

    And even time does not matter.

    Read the Bible, look into your heart, be true to the good things that have been revealed to you.


    You never waste your time when you say to yourself,

    "I wouldn't trade those 10 years for anything" (as Ernest Borgnine used to say) because in those 10 years

    you were a friend to a creature who never had a friend in this world.

    Why do I bother? I will tell you why.

    Because who else is gonna explain the good things Ernest Borgnine said?

    Philippians 1-2.

    Don't ever trade the good times when you cared so much about other people for anything less.

    Now feel free to reread anything you want to reread, but I just told you the most important thing you may ever hear ----- don't trade the times when you cared about other people for anything less.

    Now feel free to reread anything you want to reread, but I just told you the most important thing you may ever hear —– don’t trade the times when you cared about other people for anything less.

    How does one create times where one cares about other people? What can make one care about other people?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    How does one create times where one cares about other people? Specifically, faith and prayer.

    Those things are inaccessible to most people in most times, so if you have no faith and cannot pray,
    courage and loyalty are the next best things, and of course respect for basic human dignity.

    With courage and loyalty you don't let your fat girlfriend get that abortion, you marry her and jog a few miles with her every morning, and join with her in abstention from eating a tub of ice cream every time she feels sad. Eventually .... things work out.

    And if courage and loyalty can go that far, imagine how far faith and prayer can go!


    I, for example, look like an ugly version of Don Knotts, or to be more accurate I look like a son of Don Knotts would look like if he married a very ugly woman, without my dad's charming and clever smile, but I will have many many healthy and enviable descendants .... because of faith and prayer. I care about things like that, maybe you care about other things, but whatever we care about, faith and prayer will help anyone create times where they care about other people, however they envision the heaven that such memories can build ..... and there is nothing more important than doing what you can to help others realize that Heaven is our goal in life

    Good luck!

  95. @Anonymous
    Who are "the Ugh"? Uighurs?

    The “best tactician since Ugh” line comes from Robert Asprin’s “Myth-Adventure” series. It is meant to imply that the greatest lactation who ever lived was on the order of 50 or so thousand years ago, before language was fully developed, with the subsidiary implication that the principle cited (occupy a position and then improve it) has been known for a very long time. Presumably Ugh was the first Homo Sapiens to figure that out.

    Counterinsurgency

  96. anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Now feel free to reread anything you want to reread, but I just told you the most important thing you may ever hear —– don’t trade the times when you cared about other people for anything less.
     
    How does one create times where one cares about other people? What can make one care about other people?

    How does one create times where one cares about other people? Specifically, faith and prayer.

    Those things are inaccessible to most people in most times, so if you have no faith and cannot pray,
    courage and loyalty are the next best things, and of course respect for basic human dignity.

    With courage and loyalty you don’t let your fat girlfriend get that abortion, you marry her and jog a few miles with her every morning, and join with her in abstention from eating a tub of ice cream every time she feels sad. Eventually …. things work out.

    And if courage and loyalty can go that far, imagine how far faith and prayer can go!

    I, for example, look like an ugly version of Don Knotts, or to be more accurate I look like a son of Don Knotts would look like if he married a very ugly woman, without my dad’s charming and clever smile, but I will have many many healthy and enviable descendants …. because of faith and prayer. I care about things like that, maybe you care about other things, but whatever we care about, faith and prayer will help anyone create times where they care about other people, however they envision the heaven that such memories can build ….. and there is nothing more important than doing what you can to help others realize that Heaven is our goal in life

    Good luck!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Thank you for your reply. I'm not sure I understand it because I don't know what I am supposed to do exactly, but I appreciate your taking the time to respond.
  97. @anonymous
    How does one create times where one cares about other people? Specifically, faith and prayer.

    Those things are inaccessible to most people in most times, so if you have no faith and cannot pray,
    courage and loyalty are the next best things, and of course respect for basic human dignity.

    With courage and loyalty you don't let your fat girlfriend get that abortion, you marry her and jog a few miles with her every morning, and join with her in abstention from eating a tub of ice cream every time she feels sad. Eventually .... things work out.

    And if courage and loyalty can go that far, imagine how far faith and prayer can go!


    I, for example, look like an ugly version of Don Knotts, or to be more accurate I look like a son of Don Knotts would look like if he married a very ugly woman, without my dad's charming and clever smile, but I will have many many healthy and enviable descendants .... because of faith and prayer. I care about things like that, maybe you care about other things, but whatever we care about, faith and prayer will help anyone create times where they care about other people, however they envision the heaven that such memories can build ..... and there is nothing more important than doing what you can to help others realize that Heaven is our goal in life

    Good luck!

    Thank you for your reply. I’m not sure I understand it because I don’t know what I am supposed to do exactly, but I appreciate your taking the time to respond.

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