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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

We Don’t Airbrush, We Photoshop
by Steve Sailer

March 14, 2018

The most amusing aspect of the impressive, if not particularly comic, new comedy The Death of Stalin is that Jeffrey Tambor (Arrested Development), who earns most of the film’s laughs as Malenkov, the Soviet dictator’s sad-sack nominal successor, saw his face Photoshopped out of the movie’s poster for #MeToo reasons.

Ironically, one of Malenkov’s first acts upon achieving nominal supremacy after Stalin’s demise in March 1953 was to have Pravda publish a clumsily airbrushed photo of himself with Stalin and Mao from which he’d excised all his colleagues, such as Khrushchev, Beria, and Molotov. But Malenkov had overlooked that Stalin didn’t memory hole his rivals until after he’d killed them (nobody loved murdering Communists more than the arch-Communist Stalin), while Malenkov’s peers were alive.

And peeved.

The Death of Stalin is the latest satire about foulmouthed political staffers from Italo-Scot Armando Iannucci, creator of The Thick of It, In the Loop, and Veep (which is basically Elaine from Seinfeld as the first female vice president). In Iannucci’s works, craven underlings stab one another in the back over great questions of state and, more urgently, over who gets the best parking place.

Read the whole thing there.

Here’s the trailer (language, of course, NSFW):

The deleted scenes are funnier than the final cut:

 
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  1. jim jones says:

    Russia and Communism were made for each other

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    Marx thought America and Communism were made for each other and the Russians would muck it up by being so near the feudal stage of society, as opposed to the capitalism from which Communism would spring.
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  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t mind Nazi Germans speaking received British English, but Russians speaking chav British English requires more suspension of disbelief than I can give.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Boris & Natasha accent would have been funnier.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Ed West explained the accents.

    https://twitter.com/edwest/status/925011840291262464?s=21
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  3. I don’t get it, is Steve suggesting the Jews killed Stalin to prevent a pogrom?

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    I think that's one theory floating around.
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  4. speaking of Veep, It’s realism makes it one of the best shows of the decade. HBO has memory holed it as it shows how trivial sexual harassment actually is.

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Iannucci's previous show was The Thick of It. Very good. He was invited by HBO to do Veep on the strength of it.

    https://www.amazon.com/Thick-Seasons-1-4-Various/dp/B00CB8CD7M
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  5. Hagfish says:

    No, this is just off on the wrong foot and a total waste of talent, money and time. It’s insulting to demand the audience overlook the glaring lack of Russian accents, and which even manages to overshadow the second problem that it doesn’t appear the movie is particularly witty or more than spottily amusing
    There are lorry loads of British actors that could convincingly speak with a Russian accent, some of which may have been in this cast, and even the few Americans could at least provide unintentional snickers by attempting it as well. Or better yet, include a few native Russian speaking actors such as those from the series, The Americans.

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    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    Russians don't perceive each other as speaking with foreign accents. It makes no sense to have Russians, Germans, French or whatever speaking to each other in "accents" to signal that they are speaking a foreign language. Either make the film in Russian or do what Ianucci did and have the Russians all speak normal English to each other. However, Steve does make a good point that Stalin and Beria should speak with foreign accents in the film because when speaking Russian they had strong Georgian accents.
    , @AndrewR
    The US population is almost exactly five times greater than the UK population, yet you think "lorry loads" of British actors can do a convincing Russian accent while few, if any, American actors can? What a dumb troll you are.
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  6. In the Loop worked so well because the implication that all these idiots’ backbiting stupidity in the end caused an unnecessary and hugely destructive war was, in the end, true. It’d be interesting to set an Iannucci-style comedy in 1917 or 1928 because in a way the stakes would be higher, in that you’d know these assholes would go onto do unspeakably horrible things for the next few decades. Things could have been better after Stalin’s death but we’re lucky they weren’t worse. I don’t think a Beria-led “Upper Volta with Hydrogen Bombs” would have been better for the world than what we got.

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    • Replies: @Thea
    Beria wanted to implement some free market style reforms. True he had many flaws but it's hard to untangle the truth from Khrushchev's propaganda.
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  7. Pericles says:

    Dr Strangelove Season 1 on Netflix. Just throwing it out there.

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  8. anon • Disclaimer says: • Website

    OT: Three white dudes arrested for Minnesota Mosque bombing.

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    I'm stunned, the damage was so minor and the publicity seeking by the mosque so intense I figured it had to be hoax.


    Imam Waleed Meneese’s office took a direct hit from the bomb. Its windows were smashed and its floor, ceiling and walls destroyed. Shrapnel also ripped through the furniture.
     
    Based on video shown on the Star Tribune's website the day after, this is a total exaggeration. There were no wall destroyed and only one had minor damage.
    , @Hibernian
    We'll never hear the end of it.
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  9. Anonym says:

    Beria not only raped women but also killed a number of them personally. It was enjoyable reading about how he begged not to be killed. The left eat their own.

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  10. But Trotsky expired in Mexico of too much ice pick, while Stalin died on his couch in Moscow at age 74 of seemingly natural causes.

    I hate to be picky axey so early in the morning, but it was an ice axe, Steve, not an ice pick, the tool for mountain climbers, not Kool-Aid moms.

    Either way, it smarts though.

    Plus, it was a davenport, not a couch, but I haven’t read Wikipedia’s experts on this yet.

    ;-}

    OK, just finished the column in time to edit this comment – another interesting article, and I may go see this one.

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    If the Stranglers say it’s ice pick, and iSteve (pbuh) says it’s ice pick and Robert Beck says it’s ice pick … guess what? It’s ice pick!!!
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  11. anon • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    I don't mind Nazi Germans speaking received British English, but Russians speaking chav British English requires more suspension of disbelief than I can give.

    Boris & Natasha accent would have been funnier.

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  12. Someone whose Russian is better than mine please tell me, did the trailer conclude with the modern lyrics of the Russian anthem, not those of the Communist era? I thought I heard “Glory of our free Fatherland” in there, which is the Putin-era anthem?

    I am sure that the film maker said, “Put some Russian music in there” without scrutinizing the musical selection, but surely there is some irony in using the current version?

    But, damn, Russia has a stirring national anthem; kind of makes me forget about the recent chemical WMD strike carried out on U.K.?

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    I stand corrected -- the film trailer anthem starts with (Soviet) "Union" instead of "Russia" as the modern version does. So they did select period-appropriate music.
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  13. @Inquiring Mind
    Someone whose Russian is better than mine please tell me, did the trailer conclude with the modern lyrics of the Russian anthem, not those of the Communist era? I thought I heard "Glory of our free Fatherland" in there, which is the Putin-era anthem?

    I am sure that the film maker said, "Put some Russian music in there" without scrutinizing the musical selection, but surely there is some irony in using the current version?

    But, damn, Russia has a stirring national anthem; kind of makes me forget about the recent chemical WMD strike carried out on U.K.?

    I stand corrected — the film trailer anthem starts with (Soviet) “Union” instead of “Russia” as the modern version does. So they did select period-appropriate music.

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  14. Tiny Duck says:

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/14/media/seth-rich-lawsuit-fox-news/index.html

    The family of slain Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich filed a lawsuit on Tuesday against Fox News, one of the network’s reporters, and a wealthy Texas businessman over their roles in the publication of a baseless conspiracy theory about Rich’s 2016 death.

    Looks like fox news is going down

    The walls are closing in on conservatives

    How does it feel being on the wrong side of history?

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    Good news. A lawsuit may shine some light on this case and some of the oddities around it.

    The truth is out there... lets get at it.
    , @Giant Duck
    Walls are closing in? Do they happen to be located just north of the Rio Grande?
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  15. Ben H says:

    There is a scene in Solzhenitsyn’s “In The First Circle” where the prisoners see a political officer -established in the book as a complete company-man toady- immediately switches from philo-semitic to anti-Semitic the instant the policy changes. So it seems like there was a real, top down, “this is the policy now” shift.

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  16. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    I don't mind Nazi Germans speaking received British English, but Russians speaking chav British English requires more suspension of disbelief than I can give.

    Ed West explained the accents.

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    Hm. I lived in Yorkshire for a while. I found them evasive buggers. Rude but not frank. I suppose that's like New Yorkers?
    , @(((They))) Live
    you can always tell a Yorkshireman, but you can't tell him much
    , @ricardo
    Yorkshiremen are nowhere near as blunt as the Dutch.
    , @Hibernian
    So the Russian power structure of the time is speaking English in a mixture of American standard radio announcer, Godfather/Goodfellas/Dangerfield, working class British, and rural British, accents? All the actors own accents, except for one actor who decided on his own that Yorkshire was cool? Think of actors such as John Wayne who were criticized for playing themselves over and over again. Here all of the actors play themselves, at least accent wise. It seems that the explanation above is just a description, except for the actor who decided on a Yorkshire accent. I'd say it would make suspension of disbelief a lot harder for me if I went to see it.
    , @Seth Largo
    Margot Robbie has set a new standard for perfect accents. Watching I, Tonya, I kept forgetting she's Australian. I don't know if there is some brilliant new dialect coach out there or if she just has a talent for it.
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  17. dearieme says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Ed West explained the accents.

    https://twitter.com/edwest/status/925011840291262464?s=21

    Hm. I lived in Yorkshire for a while. I found them evasive buggers. Rude but not frank. I suppose that’s like New Yorkers?

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    If you're ever lost in New York and ask a New Yorker for help, they can be surprisingly polite. Don't let their resting bitch faces throw you off.
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  19. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The weird twins were possible because there is black and white DNA.

    Could a Mongolian couple give birth to twins such as that without infusion of white and black DNA?

    If we mix apple juice and orange juice, does that mean neither exists?

    If coyotes mix wolves, does that mean neither exists?

    The mendacity of Jewish-run Global Geographic

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  20. Jack D says:

    Tambor… saw his face Photoshopped out of the movie’s poster for #MeToo reasons.

    Not only did they photoshop him out but they replaced him with a woman (Stalin’s daughter) which makes no sense because the poster was mean to look like a Kremlin lineup photo (they used to line up on Lenin’s Tomb on parade days and you could tell who was in or out depending on whether they were in the photo and how close to Stalin they were standing).

    Stalin’s daughter is a very minor character in the movie – she is sort of given the Margaret Dumont straight role as the sane person amid all the crazies. (In real life she was as crazy as a loon herself – she kept “defecting” back and forth from Russia to the US and back to Russia and back to the West again. Stalin’s granddaughter is some sort of tattooed hipster who lives in Portland). In the movie, she is portrayed as mostly concerned with feminine domestic details – she remarks that the herb garden of Stalin’s dacha has gone to seed, someone has put a desk lamp on a chair, we should serve some tea and biscuits, etc. The actress who plays her is not really given much material to work with and she is not good enough to create a character out of nothing as some great actors can. Amid all the other big personalities on screen she sort of fades into the woodwork. Replacing Tambor with her on the poster was clearly meant to send a (Kremlin-like) message.

    Our Left is completely humorless and without irony. (Stalin’s gang at least had a sense of humor albeit a cruel one). In promoting a movie about how the evil Soviets would attempt to airbrush history…… they attempt to airbrush their own recent history. Unpersoning someone in the name of Stalinism is bad but unpersoning for the cause of MeTooism is good. And the irony of this completely escapes them.

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    Not only did they photoshop him out
     
    Can we have a Red Army-grade, maskir-woke-va analysis of the MeToo purges soon? I can maybe believe them airbrushing liquidated actors (Tambor, Spacey) out of promo materials and even entire movies, as long as said movies eventually get released and make money. But what about memory-holing Louis CK’s new movie right before its premiere and apparently making sure it never sees the light of day? His investors’ entire stake will be lost, so what is the incentive for them to agree to this, unless the threat is that their movie-making careers will be ruined unless they do? And then who would be in a position to actually enforce such a threat?
    , @Simon
    I think Andrea Riseborough, who played Stalin's daughter, is a fantastic actress -- just this side of retarded in the (awful) remake of "Brighton Rock," endearingly spunky and hilarious as a young Margaret Thatcher in "The Long Walk to Finchley," which is well worth renting from Netflix.
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  21. syonredux says:

    Nor are the actors’ accents helpful in understanding the evil empire’s complex ethnic politics. Old Hollywood Bible epics were cast so that the Roman senators were played by Oxbridge toffs and the Roman centurions by cockneys, while the Hebrews were American. This let the audience keep track of who’s who.

    The Soviet Union began as a sort of Coalition of the Fringes united against its Russian core, but over time, especially when the Nazis attacked, the Kremlin had to allow Russians to have more of a role. But Iannucci lets his actors use whichever accents they’re most comfortable with, so there’s nothing to communicate that, say, Stalin and Beria were both Georgians from Asia. Malenkov is portrayed by Tambor with his tentative, uptalking California accent, while Zhukov is depicted by Isaac as a blunt Yorkshireman.

    Alexander is a recent-ish example of a film using Anglosphere accents in an intelligent fashion. The Macedonians all speak with Irish accents, while the Athenians lean towards RP. The chief exception is Anthony Hopkins’ Ptolemy, who should speak with the same Irish accent that the rest of the Macedonians use, but Hopkins, too lazy for dialect (cf his “Southern” accent in All The King’s Men ), just uses his normal accent.

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  22. OT: Steve,

    Looks like Elizabeth Holmes might actually pay a price for her, shall we say, misleading investors.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sec-charges-theranos-ceo-elizabeth-163300564.html

    Is there some sort of male priviledge defense that she can use?

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  23. inertial says:

    This movie was banned in Russia. That was not out of love for Stalin. Anti-Stalinists hated it too. For example, Nikita Mikhalkov, who made an Oskar-winning anti-Stalin movie of his own (Burned by the Sun,) was instrumental in banning the movie.

    Part of it is was that the creators of the movie show the typical level of knowledge about Russia (a little less than nothing.) But there was something else too, which was even worse. One small but telling detail that illustrates this is Zhukov’s medals.

    In the movie, Zhukov goes everywhere looking like a clown with a chest comically full of medals. There are many absurd medals that the real life Zhukov didn’t have and couldn’t have, e.g. the naval awards. But there are medals that Zhukov did have but that had been carefully excised by Ianucci. British and American ones.

    Message to Russians: we will mock your military honors by using them as props for a clown suit. But we won’t do the same to ours.

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    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EzYePaPx24M/T_oGWTySo7I/AAAAAAAACrE/FOr1DaGWt3A/s1600/MarshalGeorgyZhukov_8757.jpg
    , @Jack D
    Oh, bullshit. The real Zhukov (see photo above) wore an array of medals highly similar to the movie Zhukov. I thought the costume guys did an excellent job of faithfully reproducing his uniform. If Isaac's uniform appears "clownish" that is Zhukov's fault (or the fault of Soviet military fashion) for covering his own chest with full sized medals from top to bottom. Eisenhower could have worn just as many medals but the American military custom is to wear a ribbon bar instead of full sized medals. Anyone who is not a military expert and who does not freeze frame the movie and zoom in can't tell whether Zhukov's Western medals are missing or not. If this was supposed to be a "message" at all (and I doubt it) it was such a subtle message that it would have sailed over the heads of 99.9% of the people watching the movie.

    Putin's guys just didn't like the fact that their spotless war hero was portrayed comedically. All of the other Communists in the movie are fallen icons so you can do whatever you want with them, but Zhukov, the man who defeated Hitler, remains sacrosanct.

    , @J.Ross
    Having any education about Russia means a lifetime of putting up with people who know nothing about Russia and are willing to believe absolutely anything about.
    , @Inquiring Mind
    This movie was banned in Russia. That was not out of love for Stalin. Anti-Stalinists hated it too. For example, Nikita Mikhalkov, who made an Oskar-winning anti-Stalin movie of his own (Burned by the Sun,) was instrumental in banning the movie.

    What does that say about Modern Russia? Are people in Russia proud that what they regard as trashy movies are banned?
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  24. They’ve airbrushed irony out of existence.

    To be fair, the modern left is astonishingly ignorant. It’s unlikely that very many of them are aware of Soviet airbrushing habits.

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  25. Off topic lulz:

    Tesco ‘extremely sorry’ for Black Panther costume mistake

    http://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-43202523

    By the way, has anyone else ever noticed just how fiercely tribal black women are? It’s striking.

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    And also the bizarre thought process or lack thereof behind perceptions of having been “dissed.” Obviously this is just an artifact of machine-translation from the original Chinese. (Tesco’s lucky it wasn’t “n****r-black leopard”).
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  26. @Dave Pinsen
    Ed West explained the accents.

    https://twitter.com/edwest/status/925011840291262464?s=21

    you can always tell a Yorkshireman, but you can’t tell him much

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  27. Andy says:

    haven’t seen the movie but looking forward to it; by the way, if you learn to know about Stalin, the best biography to me is Simon Montefiore’s two part volume, “Young Stalin” and “The Court of the Red Tsar”

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  28. Jason Isaacs looks like Mort Zuckerman in that Stalin movie.

    He was great as Colonel Tavington in The Patriot. I wonder if Mel Gibson told him not to hog all the potato salad when they broke for lunch on the set.

    This guy Jason Isaacs is like a horrible mutant replicant of the WASP / Jew ruling classes that now control the United Kingdom and the American Empire.

    Check out Isaacs’ Twitter account, he sounds worse than Rob Reiner.

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  29. Jack D says:

    Was Beria really the great monster that he is portrayed as being in the popular mind? Yes, he was a rapist (although who knows how much of the stories were exaggerated)? And yes he oversaw brutal purges. But none of the other Soviet leaders were without blood on their hands. This was a fundamentally criminal regime so that Beria was a criminal did not make him worse than his fellow criminals.

    Before Stalin’s death, the Doctor’s Plot and the other anti-Semitic actions being planned were really meant as double bank shots aimed at Beria, who was friendly to Jews (or at least not a traditional Russian anti-Semite)and had helped Israel buy Czech arms in its early days. After Stalin’s death, Beria showed signs of being a “liberal” (by Soviet standards). So would a Beria ruled USSR have really been worse that what actually followed?

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    Yes, he was a rapist (although who knows how much of the stories were exaggerated)? And yes he oversaw brutal purges.
     
    He was almost certainly not a rapist. The rape case against him appears to be crudely faked. The list of women Beria was supposed to have raped was apparently identical to such lists in several other cases against various generals, etc.

    It's true that Beria oversaw purges but he was brought in specifically to stop the most brutal of them, the one in 1937-38. Beria freed one third of people arrested during that period. Interestingly, when Beria become the head of the law enforcement again, in 1953, one of his first actions was to declare a massive amnesty.

    And another story about Beria. In the early 30s, at age 32, he becomes the head of the Transcaucaus Republic (Georgia + Armenia + Azerbaijan.) That the time of collectivization. But Beria goes easy on it and even reverses it when he sees that it's not working. As the result, there is plenty of food and no famine.
    , @Larry, San Francisco
    I just finished Steven Kotkin's second volume of Stalin's biography. Beria was a really bad guy. Unlike most of the others he actually enjoyed participating in torturing and murdering his opponents. The others leadership members had others do their murdering for them. He was underhanded and quite cruel. However he was an opportunist not an ideological idiot. He understood that Communism did not work and he was quite a capable manager (he was the General Groves of the soviet A-Bomb construction). My guess is that he would have been better choice to lead the Soviet Union out of its blackhole than Kruschev was. Probably would have been a more formidable foe too.
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  30. inertial says:

    Beria is an interesting guy. His name had been much blackened by Khrushchev but once you scratch that off he comes out as one of the relatively more sympathetic characters of the era. Certainly far more sympathetic and less murderous than Khrushchev.

    Incidentally, 90% of Beria’s career was organizing industries, especially during and after WWII. He was responsible for running oil, timber, steel, coal and other industries, as well as production of airplanes, tanks, artillery, and so on. Yes, and the atomic project too. Every time someone failed the responsibilities were transferred to Beria, and Beria usually succeeded.

    As the head of the secret police, Beria did much evil but he did a surprisingly large amount of good, too. But that’s a huge topic.

    German unification was not Beria’s idea. It was Stalin’s idea. Stalin wanted united Germany in exchange not for aid but for the abolition of NATO and a neutral status for Germany. To sweeten the deal, Stalin even offered to return Konigsberg.

    There are signs that return of private property in some form was also in the cards if Stalin lived longer. A little known fact is that certain stylized forms of private enterprise were legal under Stalin. (Dumb Commie Khrushchev abolished them later.) Stalin gave indications that he intended to expand on that, now that the post-war rebuilding was over. Beria was on board, of course.

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  31. Romanian says: • Website
    @jim jones
    Russia and Communism were made for each other

    Marx thought America and Communism were made for each other and the Russians would muck it up by being so near the feudal stage of society, as opposed to the capitalism from which Communism would spring.

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  32. OT – Theranos. My emboldening in the release.

    https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-41

    “Washington D.C., March 14, 2018 —
    The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged Silicon Valley-based private company Theranos Inc., its founder and CEO Elizabeth Holmes, and its former President Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani with raising more than $700 million from investors through an elaborate, years-long fraud in which they exaggerated or made false statements about the company’s technology, business, and financial performance. Theranos and Holmes have agreed to resolve the charges against them. Importantly, in addition to a penalty, Holmes has agreed to give up majority voting control over the company, as well as to a reduction of her equity which, combined with shares she previously returned, materially reduces her equity stake.

    The complaints allege that Theranos, Holmes, and Balwani made numerous false and misleading statements in investor presentations, product demonstrations, and media articles by which they deceived investors into believing that its key product – a portable blood analyzer – could conduct comprehensive blood tests from finger drops of blood, revolutionizing the blood testing industry. In truth, according to the SEC’s complaint, Theranos’ proprietary analyzer could complete only a small number of tests, and the company conducted the vast majority of patient tests on modified and industry-standard commercial analyzers manufactured by others.”

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    She will be barred from this or that for life, but will never face jail or pay any significant monetary price for her fraud. You heard it here first. I wouldn't be surprised if she played the "I only believed what my (white male) scientists told me" card.
    , @peterike

    its founder and CEO Elizabeth Holmes, and its former President Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani with raising more than $700 million from investors through an elaborate, years-long fraud

     

    Lol! I didn't know there was a wog in the mix. But of course! What a perfect combo. Holmes, the highly attractive, "strong STEM role model" grrrrlllll power public facing side, with the sleazy wog in the back cooking the books.

    Peterike's law in action, to the tune of $700 million. There's more of this to come folks. Much, much, much more.
    , @Flip
    No jail? That seems wrong given what she did.
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  33. inertial says:
    @Jack D
    Was Beria really the great monster that he is portrayed as being in the popular mind? Yes, he was a rapist (although who knows how much of the stories were exaggerated)? And yes he oversaw brutal purges. But none of the other Soviet leaders were without blood on their hands. This was a fundamentally criminal regime so that Beria was a criminal did not make him worse than his fellow criminals.

    Before Stalin's death, the Doctor's Plot and the other anti-Semitic actions being planned were really meant as double bank shots aimed at Beria, who was friendly to Jews (or at least not a traditional Russian anti-Semite)and had helped Israel buy Czech arms in its early days. After Stalin's death, Beria showed signs of being a "liberal" (by Soviet standards). So would a Beria ruled USSR have really been worse that what actually followed?

    Yes, he was a rapist (although who knows how much of the stories were exaggerated)? And yes he oversaw brutal purges.

    He was almost certainly not a rapist. The rape case against him appears to be crudely faked. The list of women Beria was supposed to have raped was apparently identical to such lists in several other cases against various generals, etc.

    It’s true that Beria oversaw purges but he was brought in specifically to stop the most brutal of them, the one in 1937-38. Beria freed one third of people arrested during that period. Interestingly, when Beria become the head of the law enforcement again, in 1953, one of his first actions was to declare a massive amnesty.

    And another story about Beria. In the early 30s, at age 32, he becomes the head of the Transcaucaus Republic (Georgia + Armenia + Azerbaijan.) That the time of collectivization. But Beria goes easy on it and even reverses it when he sees that it’s not working. As the result, there is plenty of food and no famine.

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    I saw the movie twice in the cinema and loved it. I have no illusions about the accuracy of the movie or the various plot decisions and compromises (the cartoonish nature of people like Malenkov and Mikoyan was especially egregious). But it was entertaining and may inspire some curiosity about the era.

    Jason Isaacs is a very interesting actor. I remember him from the show Brotherhood, which Mr. Sailer may enjoy, being about ethnic politics and organized crime in the US. Dunno whether he is a crazy lefty as somebody said above, but I don’t want to ruin my man crush so I will leave it at that.

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    He was great in Awake, one of the best one-season-and-never-renewed TV shows in recent memory.
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  35. syonredux says:
    @inertial
    This movie was banned in Russia. That was not out of love for Stalin. Anti-Stalinists hated it too. For example, Nikita Mikhalkov, who made an Oskar-winning anti-Stalin movie of his own (Burned by the Sun,) was instrumental in banning the movie.

    Part of it is was that the creators of the movie show the typical level of knowledge about Russia (a little less than nothing.) But there was something else too, which was even worse. One small but telling detail that illustrates this is Zhukov's medals.

    In the movie, Zhukov goes everywhere looking like a clown with a chest comically full of medals. There are many absurd medals that the real life Zhukov didn't have and couldn't have, e.g. the naval awards. But there are medals that Zhukov did have but that had been carefully excised by Ianucci. British and American ones.

    Message to Russians: we will mock your military honors by using them as props for a clown suit. But we won't do the same to ours.

    https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flx-editorial-wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/25205434/the-death-of-stalin-screencap.jpg

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    Well yeah, Zhukov posed for official photos with his medals but he wasn't going around with them everywhere like and idiot. But that's not even the point...
    , @utu
    "In the Red Army, ” noted Marshal Georgi Zhukov, “it takes a very brave man to be a coward."

    The Soviets executed more than 158,000 soldiers for desertion. This number does not include the ones shot by the barrier troops.

    Frank Howley, who later became commandant of the U.S. sector, provides a portrait of Zhukov from the Allied victory parade in Berlin on September 7, 1945, which combines close observation with sly satire:

    Marshal Georgi Zhukov was there in all his glory. He wore robin’s egg blue trousers, with yellow stripes, topped off with a dark green blouse and a bright red sash. Across his chest, and almost down below his hips, hung so many decorations that a special brass plate had to be worn to house this immense collection, giving the impression of being riveted to the Russians chest.

    The decorations included the highest order of the Soviet Union, as well as many from the Allies. Zhukov was a big man, with a big, broad chest, but there was no room left. In an emergency, he had hung one decoration, a gold saucer affair, on his right hip.

    By contrast, George Patton, standing in for Eisenhower and normally not known for his modesty, on this occasion clearly operated on the principle that less is more: Patton “was dressed in a simple battle jacket, with a few ribbons, but his gleaming boots and polished helmet outshone all of Zhukov’s medals. As far as I can remember, nobody else attracted the slightest attention,”
     
    ----
    Jason Isaacs 5'11'' and Zhukov 5'4"-5'6"
    , @Hunsdon
    If Stalin gave me a medal, I would be seen wearing it all the time.
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  36. Subtext of movies is fun. I ain’t smart enough to come up with good ones, though.

    How about this:

    Jason Isaacs was cast as Colonel Tavington in The Patriot because his innate, bloodthirsty Bolshevism would shine forth, thereby illuminating the inner rancidness of both Jason Isaacs and the character he played in the movie.

    Colonel Tavington was butchering and killing men, women and children in the same way the Bolsheviks were killing Russians on a wide scale. In the movie, Tavington locks men, women and children in a church and burns them alive. Of course, the screenwriter might have had a particular instance of butchery and burning in mind that certain portions of the US government perpetrated, also.

    Movie line from The Patriot as suggestive proof of my subtext supposition:

    Scene: General Charles Cornwallis is informing Colonel Tavington that his brutal conduct in the field reflects badly on the crown and the British Empire and the command of Cornwallis.

    General Cornwallis:

    “These colonials are our brethren, and when this conflict is over, we shall re-establish commerce with them.”

    My modest proposal is that Jason Isaacs be deported back to Poland or Russia, and if they won’t take him, Isaacs should be deported to Uganda.

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    In real life Bannister Tarleton was noted for his chivalry.
    https://allthingsliberty.com/2016/08/top-10-banastre-tarleton-myths/
    Some historical inaccuracy will send you to prison and some will bring you millions of dollars.
    If you saw it in a movie, there is a very good chance that it never happened.
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  37. Jack D says:
    @inertial
    This movie was banned in Russia. That was not out of love for Stalin. Anti-Stalinists hated it too. For example, Nikita Mikhalkov, who made an Oskar-winning anti-Stalin movie of his own (Burned by the Sun,) was instrumental in banning the movie.

    Part of it is was that the creators of the movie show the typical level of knowledge about Russia (a little less than nothing.) But there was something else too, which was even worse. One small but telling detail that illustrates this is Zhukov's medals.

    In the movie, Zhukov goes everywhere looking like a clown with a chest comically full of medals. There are many absurd medals that the real life Zhukov didn't have and couldn't have, e.g. the naval awards. But there are medals that Zhukov did have but that had been carefully excised by Ianucci. British and American ones.

    Message to Russians: we will mock your military honors by using them as props for a clown suit. But we won't do the same to ours.

    https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flx-editorial-wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/25205434/the-death-of-stalin-screencap.jpg

    Oh, bullshit. The real Zhukov (see photo above) wore an array of medals highly similar to the movie Zhukov. I thought the costume guys did an excellent job of faithfully reproducing his uniform. If Isaac’s uniform appears “clownish” that is Zhukov’s fault (or the fault of Soviet military fashion) for covering his own chest with full sized medals from top to bottom. Eisenhower could have worn just as many medals but the American military custom is to wear a ribbon bar instead of full sized medals. Anyone who is not a military expert and who does not freeze frame the movie and zoom in can’t tell whether Zhukov’s Western medals are missing or not. If this was supposed to be a “message” at all (and I doubt it) it was such a subtle message that it would have sailed over the heads of 99.9% of the people watching the movie.

    Putin’s guys just didn’t like the fact that their spotless war hero was portrayed comedically. All of the other Communists in the movie are fallen icons so you can do whatever you want with them, but Zhukov, the man who defeated Hitler, remains sacrosanct.

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    You don't really get to use that word in a situation where you are simply verifiably factually wrong. For years Western entertainment has been Nork war-glory propaganda with better writing, a bigger budget, and less Koreans. Recently the writing has dropped off a cliff and Daniel Dae-Kim is ascendent. The safe bet is that the bald-faced lying from bigoted 4F warmongers unfit for any other line of work is probably something they made up.
    , @syonredux

    Eisenhower could have worn just as many medals but the American military custom is to wear a ribbon bar instead of full sized medals.
     
    Yeah. I did a quick search for images of Eisenhower wearing his decorations.....and this is the best that I could do:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/93/e9/68/93e9686642a3a6307b23b15c176141ef--military-photos-military-history.jpg

    MacArthur is more glittering

    https://www.docsteach.org/images/primary/md_2595283_3387.jpg

    But he still doesn't compare to Zhukov

    Neither does George Marshall



    http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2013/11/george-c-marshall-H.jpeg


    Really, the only US general who matches Zhukov is Patton....

    https://thevelvetrocket.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/general-george-patton.jpg

    And he is such an outlier that the makers of Patton had to comment on it


    http://images.canberratimes.com.au/2013/05/13/4269247/dn-patton-main-20130513175313383131-300x0.jpg
    , @Steve Sailer
    Zhukov is pretty awesome in the movie, but he's also funny. He definitely lives things up when he arrives about halfway through.

    Iannucci has this shtick he does pretty frequently where a really over the top forceful character suddenly shows up midway through his plots without much introduction to the audience. And then all the minions, who know all about him, stand around muttering to each other yeah, yeah, he's always like this, but whaddaya whaddaya.

    Like in Veep there's the incredibly foul-mouthed Congressman from Ohio Roger Furlong:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfaALtuZ7vM

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  38. Daniel H says:

    >>>The most amusing aspect of the impressive, if not particularly comic, new comedy The Death of Stalin is that Jeffrey Tambor (Arrested Development),

    Don’t know if you were referencing this too, but Jeffrey Tambor has been excised from Transparent (a twisted, perverted, homo, leftoid Jewish fantasy that is really deserving iSteve analysis and commentary) and will likely be airbrushed when the producers figure out how to do it most expeditiously.

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    @syonredux
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EzYePaPx24M/T_oGWTySo7I/AAAAAAAACrE/FOr1DaGWt3A/s1600/MarshalGeorgyZhukov_8757.jpg

    Well yeah, Zhukov posed for official photos with his medals but he wasn’t going around with them everywhere like and idiot. But that’s not even the point…

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    Well yeah, Zhukov posed for official photos with his medals but he wasn’t going around with them everywhere like and idiot. But that’s not even the point…

     

    Dunno. If you are making a comedy, and you see photos like this

    http://beautifulrus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Georgy-Zhukov.jpeg

    You're gonna use it in your movie....

    After all, when the guys who made Patton saw this

    http://www.pattonthirdarmy.com/Patton/PattoncolorwithMedals300x381.jpg

    They had to include it in the movie...and Patton was a conventional biopic


    https://moviesfilmsmotionpictures.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/patton.jpg
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  40. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Did Beria poison Stalin? What’s the evidence for/against? What did Stalin’s children think?

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian. Was Beria and Stalin’s co-Georgianness part of the reason Stalin entrusted him to run the NKVD?

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    or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria,
     
    What is a "Christian Semite?" People who speak a Semitic language and are Christian?

    who were Georgian.
     
    Georgians are not Semites:

    Georgian is the most pervasive of the Kartvelian languages, a family that also includes Svan and Megrelian (chiefly spoken in Northwest Georgia) and Laz (chiefly spoken along the Black Sea coast of Turkey, from Melyat, Rize to the Georgian frontier).
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_language#Classification

    The Kartvelian languages (Georgian: ქართველური ენები, Kartveluri enebi) (also known as Iberian[2] and formerly[3] South Caucasian[4]) are a language family indigenous to the Caucasus and spoken primarily in Georgia, with large groups of native speakers in Russia, Iran, the United States, the European Union, Israel,[5] and northeastern parts of Turkey.[6] There are approximately 5.2 million speakers of Kartvelian languages worldwide. The Kartvelian family is not known to be related to any other language family, making it one of the world's primary language families.[7]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartvelian_languages
    , @Samuel Skinner

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian.
     
    The Jews hated the Czar due to the pogroms and were active in the socialist movement. The Georgians also hated the Czar due to the suppression of local nationalism and were active in the socialist movement (Georgia independently formed a social democratic state). Additionally there is a coalition of the fringes aspect; the ethnic minorities tended not to like Russians which made them more loyalty to the reds; Jews were/are infamous for this, but others were more essential- the Lithuanians made up the backbone of the early revolution and their contribution to the secret police and red army helped win the day.
    , @Jack D

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian.

     

    The premise of your question is false. (putting aside that Georgians are not "Christian Semites").

    Lenin- Russian

    Dzerzhinsky Polish-Lithuanian - like Stalin, in his youth he considered becoming a (Catholic) priest.

    Kirov - Russian . His father's occupation was "alcoholic", a classic Russian job.

    Molotov - Russiain

    Voroshilov - Russian/ Ukraininan

    Etc. There were plenty of Russians among the Old Bolsheviks.
    , @utu
    Some (like Israel Shamir) believe that Stalin stole the revolution form Jews and thus saved Russia. In his last move he tried to go against Jews in USSR when he realized that his big plan to create the 5th Jewish column in the West by helping to create Israel backfired and he realized that the 5th Jewish column already exited in the USSR. The visit by Golda Meir had something to do with it and subsequent cooling off of relationship with Israel and the attack on Soviet embassy in Tel Aviv. Certainly his death stopped a possible Jewish purge or even ethnic cleansing. In this respect Jews were the greatest benefactors of his death. The role of Beria is questionable particularly that it was him who immediately after Stalin death started releasing Jews form detentions and it was him who had some unusual ideas for a complete overhaul of Soviet system not along the communist lines. Beria had means to kill Stalin and his allegiance to Jews could have been one of the motives.
    , @utu

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews
     
    Can one imagine Bolshevik revolution without Jewish involvement? Can one imagine the anti-Christian and anti-peasant impetus of the Bolshevik revolution without Jewish involvement in Cheka and Communist apparatus?
    , @Thea
    Stalin routinely executed leaders of the NKVD ( most were Jewish) so giving that position to Beria does not indicate ethnic brotherhood of love & trust on Stalin's part. It was a poisoned chalice and Beria knew it.
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    Steve, when will you review ‘Call Me by Your Name’ sequel ?

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  43. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - Theranos. My emboldening in the release.

    https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-41


    "Washington D.C., March 14, 2018 —
    The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged Silicon Valley-based private company Theranos Inc., its founder and CEO Elizabeth Holmes, and its former President Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani with raising more than $700 million from investors through an elaborate, years-long fraud in which they exaggerated or made false statements about the company’s technology, business, and financial performance. Theranos and Holmes have agreed to resolve the charges against them. Importantly, in addition to a penalty, Holmes has agreed to give up majority voting control over the company, as well as to a reduction of her equity which, combined with shares she previously returned, materially reduces her equity stake.

    The complaints allege that Theranos, Holmes, and Balwani made numerous false and misleading statements in investor presentations, product demonstrations, and media articles by which they deceived investors into believing that its key product – a portable blood analyzer – could conduct comprehensive blood tests from finger drops of blood, revolutionizing the blood testing industry. In truth, according to the SEC’s complaint, Theranos’ proprietary analyzer could complete only a small number of tests, and the company conducted the vast majority of patient tests on modified and industry-standard commercial analyzers manufactured by others."
     

    She will be barred from this or that for life, but will never face jail or pay any significant monetary price for her fraud. You heard it here first. I wouldn’t be surprised if she played the “I only believed what my (white male) scientists told me” card.

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  45. syonredux says:
    @inertial
    Well yeah, Zhukov posed for official photos with his medals but he wasn't going around with them everywhere like and idiot. But that's not even the point...

    Well yeah, Zhukov posed for official photos with his medals but he wasn’t going around with them everywhere like and idiot. But that’s not even the point…

    Dunno. If you are making a comedy, and you see photos like this

    You’re gonna use it in your movie….

    After all, when the guys who made Patton saw this

    They had to include it in the movie…and Patton was a conventional biopic

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    My security tells me that link to beatifulrus.com (your first of the 3 zhukov pics) is a threat. Just saying.

    Btw there's a 2014 BBC portrait of Elizabeth Holmes here, quite entertaining in hindsight. As Steve said, what could make all those powerful elderly men raise so much money for the young blonde entrepreneur?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28756059
    , @inertial
    Let's look again at how Patton and Zhukov were portrayed in the movies.

    Patton:
    https://moviesfilmsmotionpictures.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/patton.jpg

    Zhukov:
    https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flx-editorial-wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/25205434/the-death-of-stalin-screencap.jpg

    Interesting contrast isn't it. Ok, I get it. This is comedy and Zhukov is a clown. But couldn't it be done without sending a hearty f**k you to all Russians, including those who hate Stalin?

    Incidentally, this is Zhukov in real life:
    http://cdn.tvc.ru/pictures/tb/982/71.jpg
    , @Steve Sailer
    Zhukov's medals add a lot of visual sparkle to the movie.

    Plus most of the scenes Zhukov is in are set at formal events like Stalin's wake and funeral where dressing to the nines would be expected. (They sped up the timeline to Beria's downfall, but that's also reasonable for movie purposes.)

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  46. syonredux says:
    @anon
    Did Beria poison Stalin? What's the evidence for/against? What did Stalin's children think?

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian. Was Beria and Stalin's co-Georgianness part of the reason Stalin entrusted him to run the NKVD?

    or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria,

    What is a “Christian Semite?” People who speak a Semitic language and are Christian?

    who were Georgian.

    Georgians are not Semites:

    Georgian is the most pervasive of the Kartvelian languages, a family that also includes Svan and Megrelian (chiefly spoken in Northwest Georgia) and Laz (chiefly spoken along the Black Sea coast of Turkey, from Melyat, Rize to the Georgian frontier).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_language#Classification

    The Kartvelian languages (Georgian: ქართველური ენები, Kartveluri enebi) (also known as Iberian[2] and formerly[3] South Caucasian[4]) are a language family indigenous to the Caucasus and spoken primarily in Georgia, with large groups of native speakers in Russia, Iran, the United States, the European Union, Israel,[5] and northeastern parts of Turkey.[6] There are approximately 5.2 million speakers of Kartvelian languages worldwide. The Kartvelian family is not known to be related to any other language family, making it one of the world’s primary language families.[7]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartvelian_languages

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  47. @anon
    Did Beria poison Stalin? What's the evidence for/against? What did Stalin's children think?

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian. Was Beria and Stalin's co-Georgianness part of the reason Stalin entrusted him to run the NKVD?

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian.

    The Jews hated the Czar due to the pogroms and were active in the socialist movement. The Georgians also hated the Czar due to the suppression of local nationalism and were active in the socialist movement (Georgia independently formed a social democratic state). Additionally there is a coalition of the fringes aspect; the ethnic minorities tended not to like Russians which made them more loyalty to the reds; Jews were/are infamous for this, but others were more essential- the Lithuanians made up the backbone of the early revolution and their contribution to the secret police and red army helped win the day.

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    the Lithuanians made up the backbone of the early revolution and their contribution to the secret police and red army helped win the day.

    Don't you mean Latvians, not Lithuanians?
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  48. AndrewR says:

    Why have a 73 year old American play a 51 year old Russian? Dumb.

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    An all-black cast might have been fun.
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  49. J.Ross says: • Website
    @inertial
    This movie was banned in Russia. That was not out of love for Stalin. Anti-Stalinists hated it too. For example, Nikita Mikhalkov, who made an Oskar-winning anti-Stalin movie of his own (Burned by the Sun,) was instrumental in banning the movie.

    Part of it is was that the creators of the movie show the typical level of knowledge about Russia (a little less than nothing.) But there was something else too, which was even worse. One small but telling detail that illustrates this is Zhukov's medals.

    In the movie, Zhukov goes everywhere looking like a clown with a chest comically full of medals. There are many absurd medals that the real life Zhukov didn't have and couldn't have, e.g. the naval awards. But there are medals that Zhukov did have but that had been carefully excised by Ianucci. British and American ones.

    Message to Russians: we will mock your military honors by using them as props for a clown suit. But we won't do the same to ours.

    https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flx-editorial-wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/25205434/the-death-of-stalin-screencap.jpg

    Having any education about Russia means a lifetime of putting up with people who know nothing about Russia and are willing to believe absolutely anything about.

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  50. peterike says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - Theranos. My emboldening in the release.

    https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-41


    "Washington D.C., March 14, 2018 —
    The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged Silicon Valley-based private company Theranos Inc., its founder and CEO Elizabeth Holmes, and its former President Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani with raising more than $700 million from investors through an elaborate, years-long fraud in which they exaggerated or made false statements about the company’s technology, business, and financial performance. Theranos and Holmes have agreed to resolve the charges against them. Importantly, in addition to a penalty, Holmes has agreed to give up majority voting control over the company, as well as to a reduction of her equity which, combined with shares she previously returned, materially reduces her equity stake.

    The complaints allege that Theranos, Holmes, and Balwani made numerous false and misleading statements in investor presentations, product demonstrations, and media articles by which they deceived investors into believing that its key product – a portable blood analyzer – could conduct comprehensive blood tests from finger drops of blood, revolutionizing the blood testing industry. In truth, according to the SEC’s complaint, Theranos’ proprietary analyzer could complete only a small number of tests, and the company conducted the vast majority of patient tests on modified and industry-standard commercial analyzers manufactured by others."
     

    its founder and CEO Elizabeth Holmes, and its former President Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani with raising more than $700 million from investors through an elaborate, years-long fraud

    Lol! I didn’t know there was a wog in the mix. But of course! What a perfect combo. Holmes, the highly attractive, “strong STEM role model” grrrrlllll power public facing side, with the sleazy wog in the back cooking the books.

    Peterike’s law in action, to the tune of $700 million. There’s more of this to come folks. Much, much, much more.

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  51. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D
    Oh, bullshit. The real Zhukov (see photo above) wore an array of medals highly similar to the movie Zhukov. I thought the costume guys did an excellent job of faithfully reproducing his uniform. If Isaac's uniform appears "clownish" that is Zhukov's fault (or the fault of Soviet military fashion) for covering his own chest with full sized medals from top to bottom. Eisenhower could have worn just as many medals but the American military custom is to wear a ribbon bar instead of full sized medals. Anyone who is not a military expert and who does not freeze frame the movie and zoom in can't tell whether Zhukov's Western medals are missing or not. If this was supposed to be a "message" at all (and I doubt it) it was such a subtle message that it would have sailed over the heads of 99.9% of the people watching the movie.

    Putin's guys just didn't like the fact that their spotless war hero was portrayed comedically. All of the other Communists in the movie are fallen icons so you can do whatever you want with them, but Zhukov, the man who defeated Hitler, remains sacrosanct.

    You don’t really get to use that word in a situation where you are simply verifiably factually wrong. For years Western entertainment has been Nork war-glory propaganda with better writing, a bigger budget, and less Koreans. Recently the writing has dropped off a cliff and Daniel Dae-Kim is ascendent. The safe bet is that the bald-faced lying from bigoted 4F warmongers unfit for any other line of work is probably something they made up.

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  52. syonredux says:
    @Jack D
    Oh, bullshit. The real Zhukov (see photo above) wore an array of medals highly similar to the movie Zhukov. I thought the costume guys did an excellent job of faithfully reproducing his uniform. If Isaac's uniform appears "clownish" that is Zhukov's fault (or the fault of Soviet military fashion) for covering his own chest with full sized medals from top to bottom. Eisenhower could have worn just as many medals but the American military custom is to wear a ribbon bar instead of full sized medals. Anyone who is not a military expert and who does not freeze frame the movie and zoom in can't tell whether Zhukov's Western medals are missing or not. If this was supposed to be a "message" at all (and I doubt it) it was such a subtle message that it would have sailed over the heads of 99.9% of the people watching the movie.

    Putin's guys just didn't like the fact that their spotless war hero was portrayed comedically. All of the other Communists in the movie are fallen icons so you can do whatever you want with them, but Zhukov, the man who defeated Hitler, remains sacrosanct.

    Eisenhower could have worn just as many medals but the American military custom is to wear a ribbon bar instead of full sized medals.

    Yeah. I did a quick search for images of Eisenhower wearing his decorations…..and this is the best that I could do:

    MacArthur is more glittering

    But he still doesn’t compare to Zhukov

    Neither does George Marshall

    Really, the only US general who matches Zhukov is Patton….

    And he is such an outlier that the makers of Patton had to comment on it

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    I’ll let the wik suss out this piece of Field Marshal MacArthur trivia …

    MacArthur retired from the United States Army as a major-general, having previously served as a full general while Chief of Staff of the United States Army. President Manuel L. Quezon then hired him as a military advisor and commissioned him a Field Marshal in the Philippine Army, a rank which had not previously existed. (MacArthur’s wife found the situation amusing and often remarked that MacArthur had gone from holding the highest rank in the United States Army to holding the highest rank in a non-existent army.)

    President Quezon officially conferred the title of Field Marshal on MacArthur in a ceremony at Malacañan Palace on August 24, 1936. He was presented at that time with a gold baton and a unique uniform.[1] Although unofficially considered as the five-star rank in the Armed Forces of the Philippines, MacArthur wore no special insignia as Field Marshal of the Philippines, except for a modification to his army officer’s cap. To the standard gold-trimmed visor of a United States general's cap, MacArthur added gilt trim to the front body of the cap, above the visor. MacArthur referred to this modified headdress as his "Philippine Field Marshal's cap" and wore it for the duration of World War II and into the Korean War. However, the modified army headdress was against regulations, and MacArthur never officially obtained permission to wear this as a part of his uniform.

     

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  53. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Okay, I’ll put the question differently: Why were people with genetic extraction from the Near East, like the Jews and two Georgians Beria and Stalin, so massively over represented in the Soviet government and secret police? Did Stalin have a special trust in Beria because he was a fellow Georgian?

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    Jews were over represented in early soviet government because they were the most capable group that was untainted by ties to pre revolutionary government (Slezkine's: The Jewish Century goes into this). Most Jewish and non Russian Soviet leadership were purged in the great Terror which resulted in a Russification of the soviet state. Stalin hated being reminded of his Georgian background so that may have not been a strong point for Beria. However, it is likely that Stalin liked Beria since their backgrounds were similar.
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  54. @Hagfish
    No, this is just off on the wrong foot and a total waste of talent, money and time. It’s insulting to demand the audience overlook the glaring lack of Russian accents, and which even manages to overshadow the second problem that it doesn’t appear the movie is particularly witty or more than spottily amusing
    There are lorry loads of British actors that could convincingly speak with a Russian accent, some of which may have been in this cast, and even the few Americans could at least provide unintentional snickers by attempting it as well. Or better yet, include a few native Russian speaking actors such as those from the series, The Americans.

    Russians don’t perceive each other as speaking with foreign accents. It makes no sense to have Russians, Germans, French or whatever speaking to each other in “accents” to signal that they are speaking a foreign language. Either make the film in Russian or do what Ianucci did and have the Russians all speak normal English to each other. However, Steve does make a good point that Stalin and Beria should speak with foreign accents in the film because when speaking Russian they had strong Georgian accents.

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    Russians don’t perceive each other as speaking with foreign accents. It makes no sense to have Russians, Germans, French or whatever speaking to each other in “accents” to signal that they are speaking a foreign language. Either make the film in Russian or do what Ianucci did and have the Russians all speak normal English to each other. However, Steve does make a good point that Stalin and Beria should speak with foreign accents in the film because when speaking Russian they had strong Georgian accents.
     
    Yeah, that's what I would have done. Various Anglo accents should have been assigned to the Russian and Ukrainian characters (Rural Southern for Ukraine?Or maybe West Country?), while the Georgians should have spoken with something strongly non-Anglo.
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  55. @syonredux

    Well yeah, Zhukov posed for official photos with his medals but he wasn’t going around with them everywhere like and idiot. But that’s not even the point…

     

    Dunno. If you are making a comedy, and you see photos like this

    http://beautifulrus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Georgy-Zhukov.jpeg

    You're gonna use it in your movie....

    After all, when the guys who made Patton saw this

    http://www.pattonthirdarmy.com/Patton/PattoncolorwithMedals300x381.jpg

    They had to include it in the movie...and Patton was a conventional biopic


    https://moviesfilmsmotionpictures.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/patton.jpg

    My security tells me that link to beatifulrus.com (your first of the 3 zhukov pics) is a threat. Just saying.

    Btw there’s a 2014 BBC portrait of Elizabeth Holmes here, quite entertaining in hindsight. As Steve said, what could make all those powerful elderly men raise so much money for the young blonde entrepreneur?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28756059

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  56. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Charles Pewitt
    Subtext of movies is fun. I ain't smart enough to come up with good ones, though.

    How about this:

    Jason Isaacs was cast as Colonel Tavington in The Patriot because his innate, bloodthirsty Bolshevism would shine forth, thereby illuminating the inner rancidness of both Jason Isaacs and the character he played in the movie.

    Colonel Tavington was butchering and killing men, women and children in the same way the Bolsheviks were killing Russians on a wide scale. In the movie, Tavington locks men, women and children in a church and burns them alive. Of course, the screenwriter might have had a particular instance of butchery and burning in mind that certain portions of the US government perpetrated, also.

    Movie line from The Patriot as suggestive proof of my subtext supposition:

    Scene: General Charles Cornwallis is informing Colonel Tavington that his brutal conduct in the field reflects badly on the crown and the British Empire and the command of Cornwallis.

    General Cornwallis:

    "These colonials are our brethren, and when this conflict is over, we shall re-establish commerce with them."

    My modest proposal is that Jason Isaacs be deported back to Poland or Russia, and if they won't take him, Isaacs should be deported to Uganda.

    In real life Bannister Tarleton was noted for his chivalry.

    https://allthingsliberty.com/2016/08/top-10-banastre-tarleton-myths/

    Some historical inaccuracy will send you to prison and some will bring you millions of dollars.
    If you saw it in a movie, there is a very good chance that it never happened.

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    In real life Bannister Tarleton was noted for his chivalry.

    https://allthingsliberty.com/2016/08/top-10-banastre-tarleton-myths/

    Some historical inaccuracy will send you to prison and some will bring you millions of dollars.
    If you saw it in a movie, there is a very good chance that it never happened.
     
    I wouldn't go overboard. Tarleton* wasn't the SS-style monster that the movie made him out to be (the burning-townspeople-alive-in-a-church scene was a complete fabrication), but he wasn't a saint....After all, we are talking about the man who, while serving as MP for Liverpool, actively defended the slave trade.


    *Technically, the filmmakers have an out, as the character that Isaacs played in the film (Tavington) was only based on Tarleton. Ditto for Gibson's Martin, who was loosely based on Francis Marion.
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  57. Abe says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Tambor... saw his face Photoshopped out of the movie’s poster for #MeToo reasons.

     

    Not only did they photoshop him out but they replaced him with a woman (Stalin's daughter) which makes no sense because the poster was mean to look like a Kremlin lineup photo (they used to line up on Lenin's Tomb on parade days and you could tell who was in or out depending on whether they were in the photo and how close to Stalin they were standing).

    Stalin's daughter is a very minor character in the movie - she is sort of given the Margaret Dumont straight role as the sane person amid all the crazies. (In real life she was as crazy as a loon herself - she kept "defecting" back and forth from Russia to the US and back to Russia and back to the West again. Stalin's granddaughter is some sort of tattooed hipster who lives in Portland). In the movie, she is portrayed as mostly concerned with feminine domestic details - she remarks that the herb garden of Stalin's dacha has gone to seed, someone has put a desk lamp on a chair, we should serve some tea and biscuits, etc. The actress who plays her is not really given much material to work with and she is not good enough to create a character out of nothing as some great actors can. Amid all the other big personalities on screen she sort of fades into the woodwork. Replacing Tambor with her on the poster was clearly meant to send a (Kremlin-like) message.

    Our Left is completely humorless and without irony. (Stalin's gang at least had a sense of humor albeit a cruel one). In promoting a movie about how the evil Soviets would attempt to airbrush history...... they attempt to airbrush their own recent history. Unpersoning someone in the name of Stalinism is bad but unpersoning for the cause of MeTooism is good. And the irony of this completely escapes them.

    Not only did they photoshop him out

    Can we have a Red Army-grade, maskir-woke-va analysis of the MeToo purges soon? I can maybe believe them airbrushing liquidated actors (Tambor, Spacey) out of promo materials and even entire movies, as long as said movies eventually get released and make money. But what about memory-holing Louis CK’s new movie right before its premiere and apparently making sure it never sees the light of day? His investors’ entire stake will be lost, so what is the incentive for them to agree to this, unless the threat is that their movie-making careers will be ruined unless they do? And then who would be in a position to actually enforce such a threat?

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    The State can punish you for deviation from the Party Line. The State was determined to bankrupt the Weinstein Company (and the Weinsteins personally) and threatened to sue into oblivion anyone who dared to buy it. Would you be so brave as to go against the State? You could issue your Louis CK movie (if you could find any theater chains who were not afraid to show it) and save your investment, but could you ever make another movie again?

    Nominally we still live in a republic and Trump is the President, but behind the scenes we have a theocracy and God help anyone who offends the Cathedral.
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  58. @Steve Richter
    speaking of Veep, It's realism makes it one of the best shows of the decade. HBO has memory holed it as it shows how trivial sexual harassment actually is.

    Iannucci’s previous show was The Thick of It. Very good. He was invited by HBO to do Veep on the strength of it.

    https://www.amazon.com/Thick-Seasons-1-4-Various/dp/B00CB8CD7M

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    Iannucci's best work is I am Alan Partridge
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  59. syonredux says:
    @J.Ross
    In real life Bannister Tarleton was noted for his chivalry.
    https://allthingsliberty.com/2016/08/top-10-banastre-tarleton-myths/
    Some historical inaccuracy will send you to prison and some will bring you millions of dollars.
    If you saw it in a movie, there is a very good chance that it never happened.

    In real life Bannister Tarleton was noted for his chivalry.

    https://allthingsliberty.com/2016/08/top-10-banastre-tarleton-myths/

    Some historical inaccuracy will send you to prison and some will bring you millions of dollars.
    If you saw it in a movie, there is a very good chance that it never happened.

    I wouldn’t go overboard. Tarleton* wasn’t the SS-style monster that the movie made him out to be (the burning-townspeople-alive-in-a-church scene was a complete fabrication), but he wasn’t a saint….After all, we are talking about the man who, while serving as MP for Liverpool, actively defended the slave trade.

    *Technically, the filmmakers have an out, as the character that Isaacs played in the film (Tavington) was only based on Tarleton. Ditto for Gibson’s Martin, who was loosely based on Francis Marion.

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    He defended the slave trade -- at a time when it was normal and lots of other people defended it -- on the grounds that Liverpool was a port and depended on maritime trade in general, having been born into a family that made its living in the slave trade.
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  60. syonredux says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Russians don't perceive each other as speaking with foreign accents. It makes no sense to have Russians, Germans, French or whatever speaking to each other in "accents" to signal that they are speaking a foreign language. Either make the film in Russian or do what Ianucci did and have the Russians all speak normal English to each other. However, Steve does make a good point that Stalin and Beria should speak with foreign accents in the film because when speaking Russian they had strong Georgian accents.

    Russians don’t perceive each other as speaking with foreign accents. It makes no sense to have Russians, Germans, French or whatever speaking to each other in “accents” to signal that they are speaking a foreign language. Either make the film in Russian or do what Ianucci did and have the Russians all speak normal English to each other. However, Steve does make a good point that Stalin and Beria should speak with foreign accents in the film because when speaking Russian they had strong Georgian accents.

    Yeah, that’s what I would have done. Various Anglo accents should have been assigned to the Russian and Ukrainian characters (Rural Southern for Ukraine?Or maybe West Country?), while the Georgians should have spoken with something strongly non-Anglo.

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    Basically, Iannucci finds the various British accents funny.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    "Various Anglo accents should have been assigned to the Russian and Ukrainian characters"

    I have always it would be interesting to make a film about Nazi Germany where the Nazis speak in American accents that would somehow reflect how they sounded to other Germans. Hitler would try to speak like someone from an upper class Virginia family but occasionally lapse into a more rural accent and use a lot of pretentious 10 cent words. Goebbels would have a slightly effeminate Pittsburgh accent. Göring would probably have the sort of pretentious "mid-Atlantic" accent that Roosevelt used, Speer would definitely sound like that. Rommel would have an ugly Chicago accent, since he came from Schwaben, the region with the worst dialect in Germany.

    Maybe Tarantino can get on that.

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  61. Matra says:
    @Samuel Skinner

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian.
     
    The Jews hated the Czar due to the pogroms and were active in the socialist movement. The Georgians also hated the Czar due to the suppression of local nationalism and were active in the socialist movement (Georgia independently formed a social democratic state). Additionally there is a coalition of the fringes aspect; the ethnic minorities tended not to like Russians which made them more loyalty to the reds; Jews were/are infamous for this, but others were more essential- the Lithuanians made up the backbone of the early revolution and their contribution to the secret police and red army helped win the day.

    the Lithuanians made up the backbone of the early revolution and their contribution to the secret police and red army helped win the day.

    Don’t you mean Latvians, not Lithuanians?

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    Yes, my bad.
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  62. Jack D says:
    @anon
    Did Beria poison Stalin? What's the evidence for/against? What did Stalin's children think?

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian. Was Beria and Stalin's co-Georgianness part of the reason Stalin entrusted him to run the NKVD?

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian.

    The premise of your question is false. (putting aside that Georgians are not “Christian Semites”).

    Lenin- Russian

    Dzerzhinsky Polish-Lithuanian – like Stalin, in his youth he considered becoming a (Catholic) priest.

    Kirov – Russian . His father’s occupation was “alcoholic”, a classic Russian job.

    Molotov – Russiain

    Voroshilov – Russian/ Ukraininan

    Etc. There were plenty of Russians among the Old Bolsheviks.

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    Lenin was Chuvash and Jewish and quite candid about how stupid he felt Russians were. You found a few non-Jews in the bunch but Boleshevism was unquestionably a Jewish movement against the wishes of most Russians.

    Kamenev, Zinoviev, Yagoda, Kagonovich...for such a small percent of the population of the Russian Empire they sure did over-represent in Soviet leadership.

    , @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    Lenin was part-Jewish.
    And of course Trotsky (Bronstein) was a Jew.
    So were Kaganovich (largely responsible for the Holdomor) and Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.
    Early Bolshevism was so notably Jewish that Winston Churchill wrote in a 1920 article in the Illustrated Sunday Herald article: "It [the influence of those Churchill termed 'International Jews'] has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
    In short, the premise of anon's question is very far from false.
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  63. Flip says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - Theranos. My emboldening in the release.

    https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-41


    "Washington D.C., March 14, 2018 —
    The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged Silicon Valley-based private company Theranos Inc., its founder and CEO Elizabeth Holmes, and its former President Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani with raising more than $700 million from investors through an elaborate, years-long fraud in which they exaggerated or made false statements about the company’s technology, business, and financial performance. Theranos and Holmes have agreed to resolve the charges against them. Importantly, in addition to a penalty, Holmes has agreed to give up majority voting control over the company, as well as to a reduction of her equity which, combined with shares she previously returned, materially reduces her equity stake.

    The complaints allege that Theranos, Holmes, and Balwani made numerous false and misleading statements in investor presentations, product demonstrations, and media articles by which they deceived investors into believing that its key product – a portable blood analyzer – could conduct comprehensive blood tests from finger drops of blood, revolutionizing the blood testing industry. In truth, according to the SEC’s complaint, Theranos’ proprietary analyzer could complete only a small number of tests, and the company conducted the vast majority of patient tests on modified and industry-standard commercial analyzers manufactured by others."
     

    No jail? That seems wrong given what she did.

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  64. J.Ross says: • Website
    @syonredux

    In real life Bannister Tarleton was noted for his chivalry.

    https://allthingsliberty.com/2016/08/top-10-banastre-tarleton-myths/

    Some historical inaccuracy will send you to prison and some will bring you millions of dollars.
    If you saw it in a movie, there is a very good chance that it never happened.
     
    I wouldn't go overboard. Tarleton* wasn't the SS-style monster that the movie made him out to be (the burning-townspeople-alive-in-a-church scene was a complete fabrication), but he wasn't a saint....After all, we are talking about the man who, while serving as MP for Liverpool, actively defended the slave trade.


    *Technically, the filmmakers have an out, as the character that Isaacs played in the film (Tavington) was only based on Tarleton. Ditto for Gibson's Martin, who was loosely based on Francis Marion.

    He defended the slave trade — at a time when it was normal and lots of other people defended it — on the grounds that Liverpool was a port and depended on maritime trade in general, having been born into a family that made its living in the slave trade.

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    He defended the slave trade — at a time when it was normal and lots of other people defended it — on the grounds that Liverpool was a port and depended on maritime trade in general, having been born into a family that made its living in the slave trade.
     
    He defended it at a time when lots of people were turning against it......And slave-trading was always viewed as a somewhat dirty business....Even slave-owners tended to look down on people who were involved in the business of peddling flesh.....
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  65. @Jim Don Bob
    Iannucci's previous show was The Thick of It. Very good. He was invited by HBO to do Veep on the strength of it.

    https://www.amazon.com/Thick-Seasons-1-4-Various/dp/B00CB8CD7M

    Iannucci’s best work is I am Alan Partridge

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  66. @Jack D
    Was Beria really the great monster that he is portrayed as being in the popular mind? Yes, he was a rapist (although who knows how much of the stories were exaggerated)? And yes he oversaw brutal purges. But none of the other Soviet leaders were without blood on their hands. This was a fundamentally criminal regime so that Beria was a criminal did not make him worse than his fellow criminals.

    Before Stalin's death, the Doctor's Plot and the other anti-Semitic actions being planned were really meant as double bank shots aimed at Beria, who was friendly to Jews (or at least not a traditional Russian anti-Semite)and had helped Israel buy Czech arms in its early days. After Stalin's death, Beria showed signs of being a "liberal" (by Soviet standards). So would a Beria ruled USSR have really been worse that what actually followed?

    I just finished Steven Kotkin’s second volume of Stalin’s biography. Beria was a really bad guy. Unlike most of the others he actually enjoyed participating in torturing and murdering his opponents. The others leadership members had others do their murdering for them. He was underhanded and quite cruel. However he was an opportunist not an ideological idiot. He understood that Communism did not work and he was quite a capable manager (he was the General Groves of the soviet A-Bomb construction). My guess is that he would have been better choice to lead the Soviet Union out of its blackhole than Kruschev was. Probably would have been a more formidable foe too.

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  67. @anon
    Okay, I'll put the question differently: Why were people with genetic extraction from the Near East, like the Jews and two Georgians Beria and Stalin, so massively over represented in the Soviet government and secret police? Did Stalin have a special trust in Beria because he was a fellow Georgian?

    Jews were over represented in early soviet government because they were the most capable group that was untainted by ties to pre revolutionary government (Slezkine’s: The Jewish Century goes into this). Most Jewish and non Russian Soviet leadership were purged in the great Terror which resulted in a Russification of the soviet state. Stalin hated being reminded of his Georgian background so that may have not been a strong point for Beria. However, it is likely that Stalin liked Beria since their backgrounds were similar.

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  68. Jack D says:
    @Abe

    Not only did they photoshop him out
     
    Can we have a Red Army-grade, maskir-woke-va analysis of the MeToo purges soon? I can maybe believe them airbrushing liquidated actors (Tambor, Spacey) out of promo materials and even entire movies, as long as said movies eventually get released and make money. But what about memory-holing Louis CK’s new movie right before its premiere and apparently making sure it never sees the light of day? His investors’ entire stake will be lost, so what is the incentive for them to agree to this, unless the threat is that their movie-making careers will be ruined unless they do? And then who would be in a position to actually enforce such a threat?

    The State can punish you for deviation from the Party Line. The State was determined to bankrupt the Weinstein Company (and the Weinsteins personally) and threatened to sue into oblivion anyone who dared to buy it. Would you be so brave as to go against the State? You could issue your Louis CK movie (if you could find any theater chains who were not afraid to show it) and save your investment, but could you ever make another movie again?

    Nominally we still live in a republic and Trump is the President, but behind the scenes we have a theocracy and God help anyone who offends the Cathedral.

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  69. utu says:
    @syonredux
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EzYePaPx24M/T_oGWTySo7I/AAAAAAAACrE/FOr1DaGWt3A/s1600/MarshalGeorgyZhukov_8757.jpg

    “In the Red Army, ” noted Marshal Georgi Zhukov, “it takes a very brave man to be a coward.”

    The Soviets executed more than 158,000 soldiers for desertion. This number does not include the ones shot by the barrier troops.

    Frank Howley, who later became commandant of the U.S. sector, provides a portrait of Zhukov from the Allied victory parade in Berlin on September 7, 1945, which combines close observation with sly satire:

    Marshal Georgi Zhukov was there in all his glory. He wore robin’s egg blue trousers, with yellow stripes, topped off with a dark green blouse and a bright red sash. Across his chest, and almost down below his hips, hung so many decorations that a special brass plate had to be worn to house this immense collection, giving the impression of being riveted to the Russians chest.

    The decorations included the highest order of the Soviet Union, as well as many from the Allies. Zhukov was a big man, with a big, broad chest, but there was no room left. In an emergency, he had hung one decoration, a gold saucer affair, on his right hip.

    By contrast, George Patton, standing in for Eisenhower and normally not known for his modesty, on this occasion clearly operated on the principle that less is more: Patton “was dressed in a simple battle jacket, with a few ribbons, but his gleaming boots and polished helmet outshone all of Zhukov’s medals. As far as I can remember, nobody else attracted the slightest attention,”

    —-
    Jason Isaacs 5’11” and Zhukov 5’4″-5’6″

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  70. anon • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    But Trotsky expired in Mexico of too much ice pick, while Stalin died on his couch in Moscow at age 74 of seemingly natural causes.
     
    I hate to be picky axey so early in the morning, but it was an ice axe, Steve, not an ice pick, the tool for mountain climbers, not Kool-Aid moms.

    Either way, it smarts though.

    Plus, it was a davenport, not a couch, but I haven't read Wikipedia's experts on this yet.

    ;-}


    OK, just finished the column in time to edit this comment - another interesting article, and I may go see this one.

    If the Stranglers say it’s ice pick, and iSteve (pbuh) says it’s ice pick and Robert Beck says it’s ice pick … guess what? It’s ice pick!!!

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    Your link doesn't work, but if you're that determined about it, OK, ice pick it is! Don't fly off the handle about it. BTW, what shape was the incision in the cranium, round or linear? - Quincy E. Newman
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  71. @Matra
    the Lithuanians made up the backbone of the early revolution and their contribution to the secret police and red army helped win the day.

    Don't you mean Latvians, not Lithuanians?

    Yes, my bad.

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  72. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    Why have a 73 year old American play a 51 year old Russian? Dumb.

    An all-black cast might have been fun.

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  73. utu says:
    @anon
    Did Beria poison Stalin? What's the evidence for/against? What did Stalin's children think?

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian. Was Beria and Stalin's co-Georgianness part of the reason Stalin entrusted him to run the NKVD?

    Some (like Israel Shamir) believe that Stalin stole the revolution form Jews and thus saved Russia. In his last move he tried to go against Jews in USSR when he realized that his big plan to create the 5th Jewish column in the West by helping to create Israel backfired and he realized that the 5th Jewish column already exited in the USSR. The visit by Golda Meir had something to do with it and subsequent cooling off of relationship with Israel and the attack on Soviet embassy in Tel Aviv. Certainly his death stopped a possible Jewish purge or even ethnic cleansing. In this respect Jews were the greatest benefactors of his death. The role of Beria is questionable particularly that it was him who immediately after Stalin death started releasing Jews form detentions and it was him who had some unusual ideas for a complete overhaul of Soviet system not along the communist lines. Beria had means to kill Stalin and his allegiance to Jews could have been one of the motives.

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  74. utu says:
    @anon
    Did Beria poison Stalin? What's the evidence for/against? What did Stalin's children think?

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian. Was Beria and Stalin's co-Georgianness part of the reason Stalin entrusted him to run the NKVD?

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews

    Can one imagine Bolshevik revolution without Jewish involvement? Can one imagine the anti-Christian and anti-peasant impetus of the Bolshevik revolution without Jewish involvement in Cheka and Communist apparatus?

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    Yes, it is called China or France.
    , @Whiskey
    Yes. The Protestant Revolution was markedly devoid of Jews. So too the Cathars. And this thing called the Cuban Revolution. And who knew the Chinese and Vietnamese commies were all Jews
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  75. Thea says:
    @Spotted Toad
    In the Loop worked so well because the implication that all these idiots’ backbiting stupidity in the end caused an unnecessary and hugely destructive war was, in the end, true. It’d be interesting to set an Iannucci-style comedy in 1917 or 1928 because in a way the stakes would be higher, in that you’d know these assholes would go onto do unspeakably horrible things for the next few decades. Things could have been better after Stalin’s death but we’re lucky they weren’t worse. I don’t think a Beria-led “Upper Volta with Hydrogen Bombs” would have been better for the world than what we got.

    Beria wanted to implement some free market style reforms. True he had many flaws but it’s hard to untangle the truth from Khrushchev’s propaganda.

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  76. OT – WaPo, of all people, seem to have decided that Hillary 2020 is a non-runner, and that perhaps it’s time for the humane killer and knacker’s van.

    “Just stop, Hillary. Please.”

    “She can’t let go.

    She can’t stop talking about what happened. She wrote an entire book about it. Now she’s telling people in other countries about why she should have won. In India last weekend, she told an audience that she won in all the smart, cool places — and then hit a pandering low that puts a catalogue of others to shame.

    Hillary Clinton just can’t quit herself.”

    I wonder if she realises how it looks for her to go to India and slag off the poorer half of her own country in front of an audience of foreign millionaires. Have all her advisers quit? Or does she just not care any more?

    “I am big. It’s the pictures that got small!”

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    I would not want HRC as president even if I agreed with her politics. She is arrogant, incompetent, self-righteous, and determined, to list just a few of her good qualities.
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  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/14/media/seth-rich-lawsuit-fox-news/index.html

    The family of slain Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich filed a lawsuit on Tuesday against Fox News, one of the network's reporters, and a wealthy Texas businessman over their roles in the publication of a baseless conspiracy theory about Rich's 2016 death.

    Looks like fox news is going down

    The walls are closing in on conservatives

    How does it feel being on the wrong side of history?

    Good news. A lawsuit may shine some light on this case and some of the oddities around it.

    The truth is out there… lets get at it.

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  78. @Tiny Duck
    http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/14/media/seth-rich-lawsuit-fox-news/index.html

    The family of slain Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich filed a lawsuit on Tuesday against Fox News, one of the network's reporters, and a wealthy Texas businessman over their roles in the publication of a baseless conspiracy theory about Rich's 2016 death.

    Looks like fox news is going down

    The walls are closing in on conservatives

    How does it feel being on the wrong side of history?

    Walls are closing in? Do they happen to be located just north of the Rio Grande?

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  79. Thea says:
    @Jack D

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian.

     

    The premise of your question is false. (putting aside that Georgians are not "Christian Semites").

    Lenin- Russian

    Dzerzhinsky Polish-Lithuanian - like Stalin, in his youth he considered becoming a (Catholic) priest.

    Kirov - Russian . His father's occupation was "alcoholic", a classic Russian job.

    Molotov - Russiain

    Voroshilov - Russian/ Ukraininan

    Etc. There were plenty of Russians among the Old Bolsheviks.

    Lenin was Chuvash and Jewish and quite candid about how stupid he felt Russians were. You found a few non-Jews in the bunch but Boleshevism was unquestionably a Jewish movement against the wishes of most Russians.

    Kamenev, Zinoviev, Yagoda, Kagonovich…for such a small percent of the population of the Russian Empire they sure did over-represent in Soviet leadership.

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    I'm going to have to cite wiki, aren't I?
    "By 1905, 62% of the members were industrial workers (3% of the population in 1897[16]).[17] 22% of Bolsheviks were gentry (1.7% of the total population), 38% were uprooted peasants, compared with 19% and 26% for the Mensheviks. In 1907, 78.3% of the Bolsheviks were Russian and 10% were Jewish (34% and 20% for the Mensheviks)."
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  80. Thea says:
    @anon
    Did Beria poison Stalin? What's the evidence for/against? What did Stalin's children think?

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian. Was Beria and Stalin's co-Georgianness part of the reason Stalin entrusted him to run the NKVD?

    Stalin routinely executed leaders of the NKVD ( most were Jewish) so giving that position to Beria does not indicate ethnic brotherhood of love & trust on Stalin’s part. It was a poisoned chalice and Beria knew it.

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  81. inertial says:
    @syonredux

    Well yeah, Zhukov posed for official photos with his medals but he wasn’t going around with them everywhere like and idiot. But that’s not even the point…

     

    Dunno. If you are making a comedy, and you see photos like this

    http://beautifulrus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Georgy-Zhukov.jpeg

    You're gonna use it in your movie....

    After all, when the guys who made Patton saw this

    http://www.pattonthirdarmy.com/Patton/PattoncolorwithMedals300x381.jpg

    They had to include it in the movie...and Patton was a conventional biopic


    https://moviesfilmsmotionpictures.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/patton.jpg

    Let’s look again at how Patton and Zhukov were portrayed in the movies.

    Patton:

    Zhukov:

    Interesting contrast isn’t it. Ok, I get it. This is comedy and Zhukov is a clown. But couldn’t it be done without sending a hearty f**k you to all Russians, including those who hate Stalin?

    Incidentally, this is Zhukov in real life:

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    Interesting contrast isn’t it. Ok, I get it. This is comedy and Zhukov is a clown. But couldn’t it be done without sending a hearty f**k you to all Russians, including those who hate Stalin?
     
    Well as you noted, it's a comedy.....a jet-black comedy.....from Armando Iannucci....
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    "Tell him, I'm not drinking with him or any other Russian son-of-a-bitch."

    "He says 'you too, are son-of-bitch'."

    "OK, from one son-of-a-bitch to another."
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  82. snorlax says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    Off topic lulz:

    Tesco 'extremely sorry' for Black Panther costume mistake

    http://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-43202523
     
    By the way, has anyone else ever noticed just how fiercely tribal black women are? It's striking.

    And also the bizarre thought process or lack thereof behind perceptions of having been “dissed.” Obviously this is just an artifact of machine-translation from the original Chinese. (Tesco’s lucky it wasn’t “n****r-black leopard”).

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    Something like that maybe. The Japanese have the opposite problem, so when they go out in the sun, their skin turns "black". Talk about ice people and sun people!!
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  83. Barnard says:
    @anon
    OT: Three white dudes arrested for Minnesota Mosque bombing.

    I’m stunned, the damage was so minor and the publicity seeking by the mosque so intense I figured it had to be hoax.

    Imam Waleed Meneese’s office took a direct hit from the bomb. Its windows were smashed and its floor, ceiling and walls destroyed. Shrapnel also ripped through the furniture.

    Based on video shown on the Star Tribune’s website the day after, this is a total exaggeration. There were no wall destroyed and only one had minor damage.

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  84. syonredux says:
    @inertial
    Let's look again at how Patton and Zhukov were portrayed in the movies.

    Patton:
    https://moviesfilmsmotionpictures.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/patton.jpg

    Zhukov:
    https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flx-editorial-wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/25205434/the-death-of-stalin-screencap.jpg

    Interesting contrast isn't it. Ok, I get it. This is comedy and Zhukov is a clown. But couldn't it be done without sending a hearty f**k you to all Russians, including those who hate Stalin?

    Incidentally, this is Zhukov in real life:
    http://cdn.tvc.ru/pictures/tb/982/71.jpg

    Interesting contrast isn’t it. Ok, I get it. This is comedy and Zhukov is a clown. But couldn’t it be done without sending a hearty f**k you to all Russians, including those who hate Stalin?

    Well as you noted, it’s a comedy…..a jet-black comedy…..from Armando Iannucci….

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  85. @Jack D

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews, or Christian Semites like Stalin and Beria, who were Georgian.

     

    The premise of your question is false. (putting aside that Georgians are not "Christian Semites").

    Lenin- Russian

    Dzerzhinsky Polish-Lithuanian - like Stalin, in his youth he considered becoming a (Catholic) priest.

    Kirov - Russian . His father's occupation was "alcoholic", a classic Russian job.

    Molotov - Russiain

    Voroshilov - Russian/ Ukraininan

    Etc. There were plenty of Russians among the Old Bolsheviks.

    Lenin was part-Jewish.
    And of course Trotsky (Bronstein) was a Jew.
    So were Kaganovich (largely responsible for the Holdomor) and Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.
    Early Bolshevism was so notably Jewish that Winston Churchill wrote in a 1920 article in the Illustrated Sunday Herald article: “It [the influence of those Churchill termed 'International Jews'] has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”
    In short, the premise of anon’s question is very far from false.

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    Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.
     
    That's a tiny measure of reciprocity, not viciousness. You do recall that Hitler killed millions of Russian civilians, don't you?
    , @Jack D

    Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.
     
    Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
    , @German_reader

    Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.
     
    That seems to be a myth, Ehrenburg denied ever having written something like this (he did exhort Red army soldiers to kill German soldiers, but that's kind of the point of war), and no evidence to the contrary seems to exist. The original source of that claim was apparently a right-wing journalist in 1950s West Germany who may well have made up this particular allegation.
    That being said, Red army soldiers did commit lots of rapes and other war crimes in 1944/45, and people who deny or justify that can f**k off as far as I'm concerned.
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  86. syonredux says:
    @J.Ross
    He defended the slave trade -- at a time when it was normal and lots of other people defended it -- on the grounds that Liverpool was a port and depended on maritime trade in general, having been born into a family that made its living in the slave trade.

    He defended the slave trade — at a time when it was normal and lots of other people defended it — on the grounds that Liverpool was a port and depended on maritime trade in general, having been born into a family that made its living in the slave trade.

    He defended it at a time when lots of people were turning against it……And slave-trading was always viewed as a somewhat dirty business….Even slave-owners tended to look down on people who were involved in the business of peddling flesh…..

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    Yeah, didn't he know it was current year? How dare he not fall along with "moral progress"!

    I also like 'dirty business'. You know what else has been considered dirty business? Manual labor, practical intellectual work and commerce.
    , @J.Ross
    >even slave-owners
    Sorry but this is incoherently weak, this is like saying that the problem with child molesters is that rapists don't like them. And there's nothing unchivalrous about being born into a slave-trading family. His brothers went into the family business and he chose the military instead. He treated prisoners well and was one of the few officers coming back who was not looked down upon. None of that could be guessed from the Mel Gibson movie.
    If you saw it in a movie, it probably didn't happen.
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  87. @inertial
    Let's look again at how Patton and Zhukov were portrayed in the movies.

    Patton:
    https://moviesfilmsmotionpictures.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/patton.jpg

    Zhukov:
    https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flx-editorial-wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/25205434/the-death-of-stalin-screencap.jpg

    Interesting contrast isn't it. Ok, I get it. This is comedy and Zhukov is a clown. But couldn't it be done without sending a hearty f**k you to all Russians, including those who hate Stalin?

    Incidentally, this is Zhukov in real life:
    http://cdn.tvc.ru/pictures/tb/982/71.jpg

    “Tell him, I’m not drinking with him or any other Russian son-of-a-bitch.”

    “He says ‘you too, are son-of-bitch’.”

    “OK, from one son-of-a-bitch to another.”

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  88. @anon
    If the Stranglers say it’s ice pick, and iSteve (pbuh) says it’s ice pick and Robert Beck says it’s ice pick … guess what? It’s ice pick!!!

    Your link doesn’t work, but if you’re that determined about it, OK, ice pick it is! Don’t fly off the handle about it. BTW, what shape was the incision in the cranium, round or linear? – Quincy E. Newman

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    , @anon
    My links never work. Sad. :(
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  89. @utu

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews
     
    Can one imagine Bolshevik revolution without Jewish involvement? Can one imagine the anti-Christian and anti-peasant impetus of the Bolshevik revolution without Jewish involvement in Cheka and Communist apparatus?

    Yes, it is called China or France.

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  90. @Thea
    Lenin was Chuvash and Jewish and quite candid about how stupid he felt Russians were. You found a few non-Jews in the bunch but Boleshevism was unquestionably a Jewish movement against the wishes of most Russians.

    Kamenev, Zinoviev, Yagoda, Kagonovich...for such a small percent of the population of the Russian Empire they sure did over-represent in Soviet leadership.

    I’m going to have to cite wiki, aren’t I?
    “By 1905, 62% of the members were industrial workers (3% of the population in 1897[16]).[17] 22% of Bolsheviks were gentry (1.7% of the total population), 38% were uprooted peasants, compared with 19% and 26% for the Mensheviks. In 1907, 78.3% of the Bolsheviks were Russian and 10% were Jewish (34% and 20% for the Mensheviks).”

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    The leaders were overwhelmingly Jewish and even so Jews were far less than 10% of the population.
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  91. @syonredux

    He defended the slave trade — at a time when it was normal and lots of other people defended it — on the grounds that Liverpool was a port and depended on maritime trade in general, having been born into a family that made its living in the slave trade.
     
    He defended it at a time when lots of people were turning against it......And slave-trading was always viewed as a somewhat dirty business....Even slave-owners tended to look down on people who were involved in the business of peddling flesh.....

    Yeah, didn’t he know it was current year? How dare he not fall along with “moral progress”!

    I also like ‘dirty business’. You know what else has been considered dirty business? Manual labor, practical intellectual work and commerce.

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    Yeah, didn’t he know it was current year? How dare he not fall along with “moral progress”!
     
    Call me a cuck, but I view ending the slave trade as moral progress.....

    I also like ‘dirty business’. You know what else has been considered dirty business? Manual labor, practical intellectual work and commerce.
     
    On the other hand, I'm willing to defend the moral virtue of manual labor, practical intellectual work, and commerce.....But the slave trade...not so much.......
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  92. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - WaPo, of all people, seem to have decided that Hillary 2020 is a non-runner, and that perhaps it's time for the humane killer and knacker's van.

    "Just stop, Hillary. Please."

    "She can’t let go.

    She can’t stop talking about what happened. She wrote an entire book about it. Now she’s telling people in other countries about why she should have won. In India last weekend, she told an audience that she won in all the smart, cool places — and then hit a pandering low that puts a catalogue of others to shame.

    Hillary Clinton just can’t quit herself."
     
    I wonder if she realises how it looks for her to go to India and slag off the poorer half of her own country in front of an audience of foreign millionaires. Have all her advisers quit? Or does she just not care any more?

    "I am big. It's the pictures that got small!"

    I would not want HRC as president even if I agreed with her politics. She is arrogant, incompetent, self-righteous, and determined, to list just a few of her good qualities.

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  93. syonredux says:
    @Samuel Skinner
    Yeah, didn't he know it was current year? How dare he not fall along with "moral progress"!

    I also like 'dirty business'. You know what else has been considered dirty business? Manual labor, practical intellectual work and commerce.

    Yeah, didn’t he know it was current year? How dare he not fall along with “moral progress”!

    Call me a cuck, but I view ending the slave trade as moral progress…..

    I also like ‘dirty business’. You know what else has been considered dirty business? Manual labor, practical intellectual work and commerce.

    On the other hand, I’m willing to defend the moral virtue of manual labor, practical intellectual work, and commerce…..But the slave trade…not so much…….

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    Call me a cuck, but I view ending the slave trade as moral progress…..
     
    You are actually going to have to provide a metric for 'moral progress' if you want to claim that. Otherwise it is just virtue/status signaling.
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  94. Lot says:

    Romney’s Bain Capital has another victim, Toys R Us.

    “Toys R Us shuttered dozens of stores as it attempted to deal with close to $5 billion in debt that resulted from a leveraged buyout in 2005.

    That buyout, by private equity investors Bain Capital and KKR, and real estate trust Vornado, saddled Toys with crushing interest payments amounting to $400 million a year, just as the economy was entering its worst downturn since the Great Depression.”

    Our last three GOP presidential nominees were a crazy militant who was last in his class of hundreds at the Navel Academy, The Pale Rider of Vulture Capitalism, and a porn star banging reality TV star.

    When will we nominate Kris Kobach, happily married to his first wife, Ph.D. from Oxford, the country’s long-time leading immigration patriot?

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  95. Whiskey says: • Website
    @utu

    Why were all of the Bolsheviks either Jews
     
    Can one imagine Bolshevik revolution without Jewish involvement? Can one imagine the anti-Christian and anti-peasant impetus of the Bolshevik revolution without Jewish involvement in Cheka and Communist apparatus?

    Yes. The Protestant Revolution was markedly devoid of Jews. So too the Cathars. And this thing called the Cuban Revolution. And who knew the Chinese and Vietnamese commies were all Jews

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    Why don't you bring up moldboard plows while you're at it?
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  96. Since you have a problem with accents (wonder what ‘Death of Putin’ will look like?):

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  97. @syonredux

    Russians don’t perceive each other as speaking with foreign accents. It makes no sense to have Russians, Germans, French or whatever speaking to each other in “accents” to signal that they are speaking a foreign language. Either make the film in Russian or do what Ianucci did and have the Russians all speak normal English to each other. However, Steve does make a good point that Stalin and Beria should speak with foreign accents in the film because when speaking Russian they had strong Georgian accents.
     
    Yeah, that's what I would have done. Various Anglo accents should have been assigned to the Russian and Ukrainian characters (Rural Southern for Ukraine?Or maybe West Country?), while the Georgians should have spoken with something strongly non-Anglo.

    Basically, Iannucci finds the various British accents funny.

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    Basically, Iannucci finds the various British accents funny.
     
    Yeah. He's clearly just interested in rule-of-funny. So, Zhukov speaking with a Yorkshire accent=funny.
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  98. @syonredux

    Well yeah, Zhukov posed for official photos with his medals but he wasn’t going around with them everywhere like and idiot. But that’s not even the point…

     

    Dunno. If you are making a comedy, and you see photos like this

    http://beautifulrus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Georgy-Zhukov.jpeg

    You're gonna use it in your movie....

    After all, when the guys who made Patton saw this

    http://www.pattonthirdarmy.com/Patton/PattoncolorwithMedals300x381.jpg

    They had to include it in the movie...and Patton was a conventional biopic


    https://moviesfilmsmotionpictures.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/patton.jpg

    Zhukov’s medals add a lot of visual sparkle to the movie.

    Plus most of the scenes Zhukov is in are set at formal events like Stalin’s wake and funeral where dressing to the nines would be expected. (They sped up the timeline to Beria’s downfall, but that’s also reasonable for movie purposes.)

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    You would think , but in the actual footage of Zhukov at Stalin's funeral he is wearing a very uniform.

    https://youtu.be/kOmbcBq6RLA?t=40

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  99. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Basically, Iannucci finds the various British accents funny.

    Basically, Iannucci finds the various British accents funny.

    Yeah. He’s clearly just interested in rule-of-funny. So, Zhukov speaking with a Yorkshire accent=funny.

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  100. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    Lenin was part-Jewish.
    And of course Trotsky (Bronstein) was a Jew.
    So were Kaganovich (largely responsible for the Holdomor) and Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.
    Early Bolshevism was so notably Jewish that Winston Churchill wrote in a 1920 article in the Illustrated Sunday Herald article: "It [the influence of those Churchill termed 'International Jews'] has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
    In short, the premise of anon's question is very far from false.

    Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.

    That’s a tiny measure of reciprocity, not viciousness. You do recall that Hitler killed millions of Russian civilians, don’t you?

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  101. BB753 says:

    Steve, are you gonna review “A Wrinkle in Time”? Me, I’d pay not to see Oprah in a movie ever again.

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  102. Been says:

    “The Soviet Union began as a sort of Coalition of the Fringes united against its Russian core”

    Um, I’m pretty sure Russia had been ruled by non-ethnic Russians for centuries before that. Lenin had more ethnic Russian ancestry than any of the Czars since just about Peter the Great.

    Your lovely “coalition of the fringes” term (which, coincidentally, refers to just about anyone who’s not like yourself) would sound like an apt description of the ruling royal family in many countries, including also Greece.

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    I thought Steve was trying to draw a parallel with the current state of things in the US, what with attacks on the 1st Amendment and the like, including the Jewish role.
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  103. Hunsdon says:
    @syonredux
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EzYePaPx24M/T_oGWTySo7I/AAAAAAAACrE/FOr1DaGWt3A/s1600/MarshalGeorgyZhukov_8757.jpg

    If Stalin gave me a medal, I would be seen wearing it all the time.

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  104. Thea says:
    @Samuel Skinner
    I'm going to have to cite wiki, aren't I?
    "By 1905, 62% of the members were industrial workers (3% of the population in 1897[16]).[17] 22% of Bolsheviks were gentry (1.7% of the total population), 38% were uprooted peasants, compared with 19% and 26% for the Mensheviks. In 1907, 78.3% of the Bolsheviks were Russian and 10% were Jewish (34% and 20% for the Mensheviks)."

    The leaders were overwhelmingly Jewish and even so Jews were far less than 10% of the population.

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  105. ricardo says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Ed West explained the accents.

    https://twitter.com/edwest/status/925011840291262464?s=21

    Yorkshiremen are nowhere near as blunt as the Dutch.

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  106. ricardo says:
    @Romanian
    I saw the movie twice in the cinema and loved it. I have no illusions about the accuracy of the movie or the various plot decisions and compromises (the cartoonish nature of people like Malenkov and Mikoyan was especially egregious). But it was entertaining and may inspire some curiosity about the era.

    Jason Isaacs is a very interesting actor. I remember him from the show Brotherhood, which Mr. Sailer may enjoy, being about ethnic politics and organized crime in the US. Dunno whether he is a crazy lefty as somebody said above, but I don't want to ruin my man crush so I will leave it at that.

    He was great in Awake, one of the best one-season-and-never-renewed TV shows in recent memory.

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  107. Hunsdon says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Your link doesn't work, but if you're that determined about it, OK, ice pick it is! Don't fly off the handle about it. BTW, what shape was the incision in the cranium, round or linear? - Quincy E. Newman

    I wonder how many people will appreciate the nom de Newman?

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    Quincy? A town in Massachusetts? A president’s middle name? A lame comic strip from the seventies?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I wonder how many people will appreciate the nom de Newman?
     
    At least three, counting Achmed. The TV coroner was a nice touch. I must admit Achmed E. Newman is one of my favorite nom de plumes. Not quite in the same stratum as Buck O'Fama, but right next to it.
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  108. J.Ross says: • Website
    @syonredux

    He defended the slave trade — at a time when it was normal and lots of other people defended it — on the grounds that Liverpool was a port and depended on maritime trade in general, having been born into a family that made its living in the slave trade.
     
    He defended it at a time when lots of people were turning against it......And slave-trading was always viewed as a somewhat dirty business....Even slave-owners tended to look down on people who were involved in the business of peddling flesh.....

    >even slave-owners
    Sorry but this is incoherently weak, this is like saying that the problem with child molesters is that rapists don’t like them. And there’s nothing unchivalrous about being born into a slave-trading family. His brothers went into the family business and he chose the military instead. He treated prisoners well and was one of the few officers coming back who was not looked down upon. None of that could be guessed from the Mel Gibson movie.
    If you saw it in a movie, it probably didn’t happen.

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  109. Hunsdon says:
    @Whiskey
    Yes. The Protestant Revolution was markedly devoid of Jews. So too the Cathars. And this thing called the Cuban Revolution. And who knew the Chinese and Vietnamese commies were all Jews

    Why don’t you bring up moldboard plows while you’re at it?

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    Point stands. There are no shortages of people wanting revolution. It's common in the West and happened many times. It had little to do with Jews and a lot to do with a dynasty corrupt, weak, and inept. A fatal combination.

    Look at the Nazis. That was a revolution. So was the French Revolution. Or the Iranian.

    Absent the war quite likely the Czars would have hung on before being replaced by a General or two.

    Can you imagine the Iranian Revolution without Jews?

    I can.
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  110. @snorlax
    And also the bizarre thought process or lack thereof behind perceptions of having been “dissed.” Obviously this is just an artifact of machine-translation from the original Chinese. (Tesco’s lucky it wasn’t “n****r-black leopard”).

    Something like that maybe. The Japanese have the opposite problem, so when they go out in the sun, their skin turns “black”. Talk about ice people and sun people!!

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  111. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Hunsdon
    Why don't you bring up moldboard plows while you're at it?

    Point stands. There are no shortages of people wanting revolution. It’s common in the West and happened many times. It had little to do with Jews and a lot to do with a dynasty corrupt, weak, and inept. A fatal combination.

    Look at the Nazis. That was a revolution. So was the French Revolution. Or the Iranian.

    Absent the war quite likely the Czars would have hung on before being replaced by a General or two.

    Can you imagine the Iranian Revolution without Jews?

    I can.

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  112. @Been
    "The Soviet Union began as a sort of Coalition of the Fringes united against its Russian core"

    Um, I'm pretty sure Russia had been ruled by non-ethnic Russians for centuries before that. Lenin had more ethnic Russian ancestry than any of the Czars since just about Peter the Great.

    Your lovely "coalition of the fringes" term (which, coincidentally, refers to just about anyone who's not like yourself) would sound like an apt description of the ruling royal family in many countries, including also Greece.

    I thought Steve was trying to draw a parallel with the current state of things in the US, what with attacks on the 1st Amendment and the like, including the Jewish role.

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  113. Jack D says:
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    Lenin was part-Jewish.
    And of course Trotsky (Bronstein) was a Jew.
    So were Kaganovich (largely responsible for the Holdomor) and Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.
    Early Bolshevism was so notably Jewish that Winston Churchill wrote in a 1920 article in the Illustrated Sunday Herald article: "It [the influence of those Churchill termed 'International Jews'] has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
    In short, the premise of anon's question is very far from false.

    Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.

    Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

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    Wow. How many Soviets did the women and twelve year old German girls kill exactly?
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  114. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Zhukov's medals add a lot of visual sparkle to the movie.

    Plus most of the scenes Zhukov is in are set at formal events like Stalin's wake and funeral where dressing to the nines would be expected. (They sped up the timeline to Beria's downfall, but that's also reasonable for movie purposes.)

    You would think , but in the actual footage of Zhukov at Stalin’s funeral he is wearing a very uniform.

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  115. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The Muslim Caliphate had finally conquered Europe, the United States and Israel and proceeded to gang rape Christian and Jewish women. As their chief propagandist explained: These women were their booty and God’s prize for them, as reward and reparations for the century of American and Israeli attempts to terraform the Middle East in Zionist interests. It was revenge for the millions of Muslims who’d died in the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was vengeance for the dispossession of the Palestinians.

    In the year 2118, a sage commenter remarked on the mass rape of these women: “Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.”

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  116. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    Lenin was part-Jewish.
    And of course Trotsky (Bronstein) was a Jew.
    So were Kaganovich (largely responsible for the Holdomor) and Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.
    Early Bolshevism was so notably Jewish that Winston Churchill wrote in a 1920 article in the Illustrated Sunday Herald article: "It [the influence of those Churchill termed 'International Jews'] has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
    In short, the premise of anon's question is very far from false.

    Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.

    That seems to be a myth, Ehrenburg denied ever having written something like this (he did exhort Red army soldiers to kill German soldiers, but that’s kind of the point of war), and no evidence to the contrary seems to exist. The original source of that claim was apparently a right-wing journalist in 1950s West Germany who may well have made up this particular allegation.
    That being said, Red army soldiers did commit lots of rapes and other war crimes in 1944/45, and people who deny or justify that can f**k off as far as I’m concerned.

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    Red army soldiers raped their way through Hungary at the same time. Yes, people who excuse or rationalize it can you-know-what.
    , @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    "That being said, Red army soldiers did commit lots of rapes and other war crimes in 1944/45, and people who deny or justify that can f**k off as far as I’m concerned."

    Agreed. Under the circumstances, I think the Russians would have been justified in flattening every building and cutting down every male in uniform, irrespective of age (though I do understand that more than one Ivan, upon finding a scared pre-teen pointing an old rifle at him, would grab the rifle, give young Fritz a solid cuffing about the head, and send him on his way). But rape is a reprehensible act, and those who would attempt to justify it are equally reprehensible.
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  117. anon • Disclaimer says:

    German_reader:

    I was reading the Wikipedia talk section about this dispute. I came away under the impression that it’s a point in dispute. The counter claim I read was not that “The original source of that claim was apparently a right-wing journalist in 1950s” but that “Kill” was written as German Propaganda during the war for German forces so as to say: “See, this is what the Soviets intend to do to your women.” (Of course, that is exactly what they did.)

    It’s not disputed that Ehrenburg wrote a version of Kill where he tells to Soviets to Kill Germans (as they’re invading the Soviet Union) or the Germans will rape their women. What is disputed is whether he wrote the version of Kill where he exhorts the Soviets to rape the German women. That’s my understanding, at least.

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    It’s not disputed that Ehrenburg wrote a version of Kill where he tells to Soviets to Kill Germans (as they’re invading the Soviet Union) or the Germans will rape their women. What is disputed is whether he wrote the version of Kill where he exhorts the Soviets to rape the German women. That’s my understanding, at least.
     
    Sounds plausible, pretty much how I understand it as well (can't read Russian, so my ability to judge the matter for myself is limited). There just seems to be no reliable evidence that Ehrenburg ever made statements exhorting Soviet soldiers to rape, so I'd assume it's a myth, maybe created by German propaganda during the late stages of the war and then taken up again in the Cold war climate of 1950s West Germany.
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  118. @Jack D
    Oh, bullshit. The real Zhukov (see photo above) wore an array of medals highly similar to the movie Zhukov. I thought the costume guys did an excellent job of faithfully reproducing his uniform. If Isaac's uniform appears "clownish" that is Zhukov's fault (or the fault of Soviet military fashion) for covering his own chest with full sized medals from top to bottom. Eisenhower could have worn just as many medals but the American military custom is to wear a ribbon bar instead of full sized medals. Anyone who is not a military expert and who does not freeze frame the movie and zoom in can't tell whether Zhukov's Western medals are missing or not. If this was supposed to be a "message" at all (and I doubt it) it was such a subtle message that it would have sailed over the heads of 99.9% of the people watching the movie.

    Putin's guys just didn't like the fact that their spotless war hero was portrayed comedically. All of the other Communists in the movie are fallen icons so you can do whatever you want with them, but Zhukov, the man who defeated Hitler, remains sacrosanct.

    Zhukov is pretty awesome in the movie, but he’s also funny. He definitely lives things up when he arrives about halfway through.

    Iannucci has this shtick he does pretty frequently where a really over the top forceful character suddenly shows up midway through his plots without much introduction to the audience. And then all the minions, who know all about him, stand around muttering to each other yeah, yeah, he’s always like this, but whaddaya whaddaya.

    Like in Veep there’s the incredibly foul-mouthed Congressman from Ohio Roger Furlong:

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    Like in Veep there’s the incredibly foul-mouthed Congressman from Ohio Roger Furlong.
     
    Furlong was a great character in Veep. The difference between Veep and Iannucci's previous show The Thick of It was that in the earlier one, the lead character Malcolm Tucker was the foul-mouthed one. Some great English invective.
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  119. @anon
    German_reader:

    I was reading the Wikipedia talk section about this dispute. I came away under the impression that it's a point in dispute. The counter claim I read was not that "The original source of that claim was apparently a right-wing journalist in 1950s" but that "Kill" was written as German Propaganda during the war for German forces so as to say: "See, this is what the Soviets intend to do to your women." (Of course, that is exactly what they did.)

    It's not disputed that Ehrenburg wrote a version of Kill where he tells to Soviets to Kill Germans (as they're invading the Soviet Union) or the Germans will rape their women. What is disputed is whether he wrote the version of Kill where he exhorts the Soviets to rape the German women. That's my understanding, at least.

    It’s not disputed that Ehrenburg wrote a version of Kill where he tells to Soviets to Kill Germans (as they’re invading the Soviet Union) or the Germans will rape their women. What is disputed is whether he wrote the version of Kill where he exhorts the Soviets to rape the German women. That’s my understanding, at least.

    Sounds plausible, pretty much how I understand it as well (can’t read Russian, so my ability to judge the matter for myself is limited). There just seems to be no reliable evidence that Ehrenburg ever made statements exhorting Soviet soldiers to rape, so I’d assume it’s a myth, maybe created by German propaganda during the late stages of the war and then taken up again in the Cold war climate of 1950s West Germany.

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    A girl’s been turned into a woman,
    A woman turned into a corpse.
    It's all come down to simple phrases:
    Do not forget! Do not forgive!
    Blood for blood! A tooth for a tooth!
    (Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)
     
    The continuum of sexual violence in occupied germany, 1945-49
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/09612029600200111
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  120. @German_reader

    Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.
     
    That seems to be a myth, Ehrenburg denied ever having written something like this (he did exhort Red army soldiers to kill German soldiers, but that's kind of the point of war), and no evidence to the contrary seems to exist. The original source of that claim was apparently a right-wing journalist in 1950s West Germany who may well have made up this particular allegation.
    That being said, Red army soldiers did commit lots of rapes and other war crimes in 1944/45, and people who deny or justify that can f**k off as far as I'm concerned.

    Red army soldiers raped their way through Hungary at the same time. Yes, people who excuse or rationalize it can you-know-what.

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    Raping and looting is a time-honored warfare tradition.
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  121. Hail says: • Website

    How many anti-Stalin movies have been produced? I cannot name one.

    Ratio of anti-Hitler to anti-Stalin movies?

    Will Hollywood disavow Stalin?

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    This one, obviously.
    , @anon
    Are we counting the The Producers (‘67 and ‘05) as anti-Hitler? I know they tried but the H-man was the most fun in both versions.
    , @syonredux

    How many anti-Stalin movies have been produced? I cannot name one.
     
    Robert Duvall did an anti-Stalin biopic for HBO in 1992. I remember it being OK, although Duvall's performance was hampered by all the makeup plastered on his face

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_(1992_film)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A57gNcOdduo
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  122. @Hail
    How many anti-Stalin movies have been produced? I cannot name one.

    Ratio of anti-Hitler to anti-Stalin movies?

    Will Hollywood disavow Stalin?

    This one, obviously.

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    Scrolling through IMDB search results and bypassing made-for-TV movies, I do find a (seemingly) English-language film dealing with Stalin.

    It is 2006's "Stalin: Man for the Society".

    But then, upon clicking in, it turns out to be from -- Bollywood. An Indian character in the movie goes by the nickname 'Stalin.' The film has nothing to do with Josef Stalin. Tagline: "An ex-army officer brings change in society by making people to help each other." (Yes, Exactly like the historical Stalin!)

    Next I find a 2008 film "Gift to Stalin" (Kazakhstan), made with Israeli involvement. It seems plausible in my search for a(ny at all) Stalin movie. But then, alas! It, too, turns out to be about neither Stalin nor a gift. Tagline: "A Jewish child deported to Kazakhstan is saved and adopted by Kasym, an old Kazakh railway-man." Right. Moving on.

    I find another possible candidate, 1986's "Stalin's Disciples." It turns out to be a Hebrew-language Israeli movie. It has all of 23 votes on IMDB and presumably promotes the anti-Semitic Stalin idea. On this long-forgotten film, Wiki sez:

    "The death of Joseph Stalin in the 1950s leads to an ideological crisis on a kibbutz that identifies with communist principles [which] begins to disintegrate when they learn of the Soviet leader's crimes and the manifest antisemitism on display at the Prague Trials."

    Still coming up empty.

    I find several Stalingrad war movies. These are, of course, not about Stalin but about the battle for a city that by coincidence bore his name.

    Giving up now. Unless I am proven wrong, I will go forward thinking that there has never been a non-documentary, English-language, general-release (anti-)Stalin movie.

    , @David In TN
    I don't think this film would have been made in the 70's and 80's.
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  123. utu says:
    @German_reader

    It’s not disputed that Ehrenburg wrote a version of Kill where he tells to Soviets to Kill Germans (as they’re invading the Soviet Union) or the Germans will rape their women. What is disputed is whether he wrote the version of Kill where he exhorts the Soviets to rape the German women. That’s my understanding, at least.
     
    Sounds plausible, pretty much how I understand it as well (can't read Russian, so my ability to judge the matter for myself is limited). There just seems to be no reliable evidence that Ehrenburg ever made statements exhorting Soviet soldiers to rape, so I'd assume it's a myth, maybe created by German propaganda during the late stages of the war and then taken up again in the Cold war climate of 1950s West Germany.

    A girl’s been turned into a woman,
    A woman turned into a corpse.
    It’s all come down to simple phrases:
    Do not forget! Do not forgive!
    Blood for blood! A tooth for a tooth!
    (Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)

    The continuum of sexual violence in occupied germany, 1945-49

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/09612029600200111

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  124. anon • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Hunsdon
    I wonder how many people will appreciate the nom de Newman?

    Quincy? A town in Massachusetts? A president’s middle name? A lame comic strip from the seventies?

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  125. anon • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Hail
    How many anti-Stalin movies have been produced? I cannot name one.

    Ratio of anti-Hitler to anti-Stalin movies?

    Will Hollywood disavow Stalin?

    Are we counting the The Producers (‘67 and ‘05) as anti-Hitler? I know they tried but the H-man was the most fun in both versions.

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  126. anon • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Your link doesn't work, but if you're that determined about it, OK, ice pick it is! Don't fly off the handle about it. BTW, what shape was the incision in the cranium, round or linear? - Quincy E. Newman

    My links never work. Sad. :(

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  127. syonredux says:
    @Hail
    How many anti-Stalin movies have been produced? I cannot name one.

    Ratio of anti-Hitler to anti-Stalin movies?

    Will Hollywood disavow Stalin?

    How many anti-Stalin movies have been produced? I cannot name one.

    Robert Duvall did an anti-Stalin biopic for HBO in 1992. I remember it being OK, although Duvall’s performance was hampered by all the makeup plastered on his face

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_(1992_film)

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    Interesting. Wiki says it was 'released' (=aired on HBO?) November 21, 1992.

    Filming was done in Budapest, Hungary and Moscow, Russia, with extraordinary access to Kremlin buildings in the weeks surrounding the Dissolution of the Soviet Union.
     

    The film won three Golden Globe Awards among various awards including cinematography awards for Vilmos Zsigmond[3] as well as best actor for Robert Duvall.
     
    Still, it is made-for-TV and I presume has had very little influence. For one thing: "In 1994, HBO had 18 million subscribers, [18.6%] of U.S. television households at the time [up from 17m/18.2% in 1990]." (The Essential HBO Reader, 2008)
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  128. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @syonredux

    Eisenhower could have worn just as many medals but the American military custom is to wear a ribbon bar instead of full sized medals.
     
    Yeah. I did a quick search for images of Eisenhower wearing his decorations.....and this is the best that I could do:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/93/e9/68/93e9686642a3a6307b23b15c176141ef--military-photos-military-history.jpg

    MacArthur is more glittering

    https://www.docsteach.org/images/primary/md_2595283_3387.jpg

    But he still doesn't compare to Zhukov

    Neither does George Marshall



    http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2013/11/george-c-marshall-H.jpeg


    Really, the only US general who matches Zhukov is Patton....

    https://thevelvetrocket.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/general-george-patton.jpg

    And he is such an outlier that the makers of Patton had to comment on it


    http://images.canberratimes.com.au/2013/05/13/4269247/dn-patton-main-20130513175313383131-300x0.jpg

    I’ll let the wik suss out this piece of Field Marshal MacArthur trivia …

    MacArthur retired from the United States Army as a major-general, having previously served as a full general while Chief of Staff of the United States Army. President Manuel L. Quezon then hired him as a military advisor and commissioned him a Field Marshal in the Philippine Army, a rank which had not previously existed. (MacArthur’s wife found the situation amusing and often remarked that MacArthur had gone from holding the highest rank in the United States Army to holding the highest rank in a non-existent army.)

    President Quezon officially conferred the title of Field Marshal on MacArthur in a ceremony at Malacañan Palace on August 24, 1936. He was presented at that time with a gold baton and a unique uniform.[1] Although unofficially considered as the five-star rank in the Armed Forces of the Philippines, MacArthur wore no special insignia as Field Marshal of the Philippines, except for a modification to his army officer’s cap. To the standard gold-trimmed visor of a United States general’s cap, MacArthur added gilt trim to the front body of the cap, above the visor. MacArthur referred to this modified headdress as his “Philippine Field Marshal’s cap” and wore it for the duration of World War II and into the Korean War. However, the modified army headdress was against regulations, and MacArthur never officially obtained permission to wear this as a part of his uniform.

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  129. JMcG says:
    @Jack D

    Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.
     
    Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

    Wow. How many Soviets did the women and twelve year old German girls kill exactly?

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  130. Hail says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    This one, obviously.

    Scrolling through IMDB search results and bypassing made-for-TV movies, I do find a (seemingly) English-language film dealing with Stalin.

    It is 2006′s “Stalin: Man for the Society”.

    But then, upon clicking in, it turns out to be from — Bollywood. An Indian character in the movie goes by the nickname ‘Stalin.’ The film has nothing to do with Josef Stalin. Tagline: “An ex-army officer brings change in society by making people to help each other.” (Yes, Exactly like the historical Stalin!)

    Next I find a 2008 film “Gift to Stalin” (Kazakhstan), made with Israeli involvement. It seems plausible in my search for a(ny at all) Stalin movie. But then, alas! It, too, turns out to be about neither Stalin nor a gift. Tagline: “A Jewish child deported to Kazakhstan is saved and adopted by Kasym, an old Kazakh railway-man.” Right. Moving on.

    I find another possible candidate, 1986′s “Stalin’s Disciples.” It turns out to be a Hebrew-language Israeli movie. It has all of 23 votes on IMDB and presumably promotes the anti-Semitic Stalin idea. On this long-forgotten film, Wiki sez:

    The death of Joseph Stalin in the 1950s leads to an ideological crisis on a kibbutz that identifies with communist principles [which] begins to disintegrate when they learn of the Soviet leader’s crimes and the manifest antisemitism on display at the Prague Trials.”

    Still coming up empty.

    I find several Stalingrad war movies. These are, of course, not about Stalin but about the battle for a city that by coincidence bore his name.

    Giving up now. Unless I am proven wrong, I will go forward thinking that there has never been a non-documentary, English-language, general-release (anti-)Stalin movie.

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    Michael Caine played Stalin. F. Murray Abraham played Stalin in a pretty funny Australian feature film starring Judy Davis, Children of the Revolution.
    , @syonredux
    Never actually seen it, but there was The Inner Circle:

    The Inner Circle is a 1991 drama film by Russian director Andrei Konchalovsky, telling the story of Joseph Stalin's private projectionist and KGB officer Ivan Sanchin between 1939 and 1953, Stalin's year of death. Sanchin is played by Tom Hulce, and the film co-stars Lolita Davidovitch and Bob Hoskins. The film is based on a true story and is an American, Italian and Russian production. It is in English and has a running time of 137 minutes.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inner_Circle_(1991_film)
    , @syonredux
    Here's a flick that sounds as though it would make a good double-bill with They Saved Hitler's Brain:

    The Girl in the Kremlin is a 1957 American film noir mystery film which puts forth the premise that Joseph Stalin (played by Maurice Manson) faked his own death in 1953 and then moved to Greece with a fortune in Soviet currency. Zsa Zsa Gabor plays a dual role, Stalin's nurse and lover as well as her twin sister who, unaware of Stalin's plot, hires an ex–O.S.S. agent (Lex Barker) to find her sister.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Girl_in_the_Kremlin
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  131. @Hail
    Scrolling through IMDB search results and bypassing made-for-TV movies, I do find a (seemingly) English-language film dealing with Stalin.

    It is 2006's "Stalin: Man for the Society".

    But then, upon clicking in, it turns out to be from -- Bollywood. An Indian character in the movie goes by the nickname 'Stalin.' The film has nothing to do with Josef Stalin. Tagline: "An ex-army officer brings change in society by making people to help each other." (Yes, Exactly like the historical Stalin!)

    Next I find a 2008 film "Gift to Stalin" (Kazakhstan), made with Israeli involvement. It seems plausible in my search for a(ny at all) Stalin movie. But then, alas! It, too, turns out to be about neither Stalin nor a gift. Tagline: "A Jewish child deported to Kazakhstan is saved and adopted by Kasym, an old Kazakh railway-man." Right. Moving on.

    I find another possible candidate, 1986's "Stalin's Disciples." It turns out to be a Hebrew-language Israeli movie. It has all of 23 votes on IMDB and presumably promotes the anti-Semitic Stalin idea. On this long-forgotten film, Wiki sez:

    "The death of Joseph Stalin in the 1950s leads to an ideological crisis on a kibbutz that identifies with communist principles [which] begins to disintegrate when they learn of the Soviet leader's crimes and the manifest antisemitism on display at the Prague Trials."

    Still coming up empty.

    I find several Stalingrad war movies. These are, of course, not about Stalin but about the battle for a city that by coincidence bore his name.

    Giving up now. Unless I am proven wrong, I will go forward thinking that there has never been a non-documentary, English-language, general-release (anti-)Stalin movie.

    Michael Caine played Stalin. F. Murray Abraham played Stalin in a pretty funny Australian feature film starring Judy Davis, Children of the Revolution.

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    Maybe this doesn't count at all (subtitles) but the best cinematic treatment of Stalin is a Georgian movie titled Repentance, with Burnt by the Sun in second place. Repentance is more complete, it pretty much spans the century. Neither depicts Stalin directly. The Master and Margarita is very good and there was an English stage play dealing with Bulgakov's relationship with Stalin but I forget its name.
    , @syonredux

    Michael Caine played Stalin. F. Murray Abraham played Stalin in a pretty funny Australian feature film starring Judy Davis, Children of the Revolution.
     
    Since it was a TV miniseries, I don't think that Hail will count Caine's performance as Stalin in World War II: When Lions Roared :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II:_When_Lions_Roared
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  132. Hail says: • Website
    @syonredux

    How many anti-Stalin movies have been produced? I cannot name one.
     
    Robert Duvall did an anti-Stalin biopic for HBO in 1992. I remember it being OK, although Duvall's performance was hampered by all the makeup plastered on his face

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_(1992_film)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A57gNcOdduo

    Interesting. Wiki says it was ‘released’ (=aired on HBO?) November 21, 1992.

    Filming was done in Budapest, Hungary and Moscow, Russia, with extraordinary access to Kremlin buildings in the weeks surrounding the Dissolution of the Soviet Union.

    The film won three Golden Globe Awards among various awards including cinematography awards for Vilmos Zsigmond[3] as well as best actor for Robert Duvall.

    Still, it is made-for-TV and I presume has had very little influence. For one thing: “In 1994, HBO had 18 million subscribers, [18.6%] of U.S. television households at the time [up from 17m/18.2% in 1990].” (The Essential HBO Reader, 2008)

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  133. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    Michael Caine played Stalin. F. Murray Abraham played Stalin in a pretty funny Australian feature film starring Judy Davis, Children of the Revolution.

    Maybe this doesn’t count at all (subtitles) but the best cinematic treatment of Stalin is a Georgian movie titled Repentance, with Burnt by the Sun in second place. Repentance is more complete, it pretty much spans the century. Neither depicts Stalin directly. The Master and Margarita is very good and there was an English stage play dealing with Bulgakov’s relationship with Stalin but I forget its name.

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  134. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Michael Caine played Stalin. F. Murray Abraham played Stalin in a pretty funny Australian feature film starring Judy Davis, Children of the Revolution.

    Michael Caine played Stalin. F. Murray Abraham played Stalin in a pretty funny Australian feature film starring Judy Davis, Children of the Revolution.

    Since it was a TV miniseries, I don’t think that Hail will count Caine’s performance as Stalin in World War II: When Lions Roared :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II:_When_Lions_Roared

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  135. syonredux says:
    @Hail
    Scrolling through IMDB search results and bypassing made-for-TV movies, I do find a (seemingly) English-language film dealing with Stalin.

    It is 2006's "Stalin: Man for the Society".

    But then, upon clicking in, it turns out to be from -- Bollywood. An Indian character in the movie goes by the nickname 'Stalin.' The film has nothing to do with Josef Stalin. Tagline: "An ex-army officer brings change in society by making people to help each other." (Yes, Exactly like the historical Stalin!)

    Next I find a 2008 film "Gift to Stalin" (Kazakhstan), made with Israeli involvement. It seems plausible in my search for a(ny at all) Stalin movie. But then, alas! It, too, turns out to be about neither Stalin nor a gift. Tagline: "A Jewish child deported to Kazakhstan is saved and adopted by Kasym, an old Kazakh railway-man." Right. Moving on.

    I find another possible candidate, 1986's "Stalin's Disciples." It turns out to be a Hebrew-language Israeli movie. It has all of 23 votes on IMDB and presumably promotes the anti-Semitic Stalin idea. On this long-forgotten film, Wiki sez:

    "The death of Joseph Stalin in the 1950s leads to an ideological crisis on a kibbutz that identifies with communist principles [which] begins to disintegrate when they learn of the Soviet leader's crimes and the manifest antisemitism on display at the Prague Trials."

    Still coming up empty.

    I find several Stalingrad war movies. These are, of course, not about Stalin but about the battle for a city that by coincidence bore his name.

    Giving up now. Unless I am proven wrong, I will go forward thinking that there has never been a non-documentary, English-language, general-release (anti-)Stalin movie.

    Never actually seen it, but there was The Inner Circle:

    The Inner Circle is a 1991 drama film by Russian director Andrei Konchalovsky, telling the story of Joseph Stalin’s private projectionist and KGB officer Ivan Sanchin between 1939 and 1953, Stalin’s year of death. Sanchin is played by Tom Hulce, and the film co-stars Lolita Davidovitch and Bob Hoskins. The film is based on a true story and is an American, Italian and Russian production. It is in English and has a running time of 137 minutes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inner_Circle_(1991_film)

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  136. syonredux says:
    @Hail
    Scrolling through IMDB search results and bypassing made-for-TV movies, I do find a (seemingly) English-language film dealing with Stalin.

    It is 2006's "Stalin: Man for the Society".

    But then, upon clicking in, it turns out to be from -- Bollywood. An Indian character in the movie goes by the nickname 'Stalin.' The film has nothing to do with Josef Stalin. Tagline: "An ex-army officer brings change in society by making people to help each other." (Yes, Exactly like the historical Stalin!)

    Next I find a 2008 film "Gift to Stalin" (Kazakhstan), made with Israeli involvement. It seems plausible in my search for a(ny at all) Stalin movie. But then, alas! It, too, turns out to be about neither Stalin nor a gift. Tagline: "A Jewish child deported to Kazakhstan is saved and adopted by Kasym, an old Kazakh railway-man." Right. Moving on.

    I find another possible candidate, 1986's "Stalin's Disciples." It turns out to be a Hebrew-language Israeli movie. It has all of 23 votes on IMDB and presumably promotes the anti-Semitic Stalin idea. On this long-forgotten film, Wiki sez:

    "The death of Joseph Stalin in the 1950s leads to an ideological crisis on a kibbutz that identifies with communist principles [which] begins to disintegrate when they learn of the Soviet leader's crimes and the manifest antisemitism on display at the Prague Trials."

    Still coming up empty.

    I find several Stalingrad war movies. These are, of course, not about Stalin but about the battle for a city that by coincidence bore his name.

    Giving up now. Unless I am proven wrong, I will go forward thinking that there has never been a non-documentary, English-language, general-release (anti-)Stalin movie.

    Here’s a flick that sounds as though it would make a good double-bill with They Saved Hitler’s Brain:

    The Girl in the Kremlin is a 1957 American film noir mystery film which puts forth the premise that Joseph Stalin (played by Maurice Manson) faked his own death in 1953 and then moved to Greece with a fortune in Soviet currency. Zsa Zsa Gabor plays a dual role, Stalin’s nurse and lover as well as her twin sister who, unaware of Stalin’s plot, hires an ex–O.S.S. agent (Lex Barker) to find her sister.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Girl_in_the_Kremlin

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  137. That trailer is excruciating. I would love to see it in a theater of non-elite moviegoers and soak in their disinterest and or contempt. Next I would love to watch it with a crowd of indie moviegoers and start a hiss challenge every time Tambor was on the screen. See if I could tip the whole theater into a anti-Tambor snakepit.

    You laughed, ISteve? OK, no disputing farce I guess. But it looks to me like a shitty idea that reached its full potential. No comedy in the vicinity but ludicrous detail galore and no expense spared. So it is amusing on that level, if you only have to contemplate it and not actually sit through it. That Tambor got scare-brushed outta the advertising is deeply funny though. The punch line is delayed and remote. It’s waiting for you on the movie poster in the theater lobby. But it’s killer and justifies the entire enterprise.

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  138. @syonredux

    Russians don’t perceive each other as speaking with foreign accents. It makes no sense to have Russians, Germans, French or whatever speaking to each other in “accents” to signal that they are speaking a foreign language. Either make the film in Russian or do what Ianucci did and have the Russians all speak normal English to each other. However, Steve does make a good point that Stalin and Beria should speak with foreign accents in the film because when speaking Russian they had strong Georgian accents.
     
    Yeah, that's what I would have done. Various Anglo accents should have been assigned to the Russian and Ukrainian characters (Rural Southern for Ukraine?Or maybe West Country?), while the Georgians should have spoken with something strongly non-Anglo.

    “Various Anglo accents should have been assigned to the Russian and Ukrainian characters”

    I have always it would be interesting to make a film about Nazi Germany where the Nazis speak in American accents that would somehow reflect how they sounded to other Germans. Hitler would try to speak like someone from an upper class Virginia family but occasionally lapse into a more rural accent and use a lot of pretentious 10 cent words. Goebbels would have a slightly effeminate Pittsburgh accent. Göring would probably have the sort of pretentious “mid-Atlantic” accent that Roosevelt used, Speer would definitely sound like that. Rommel would have an ugly Chicago accent, since he came from Schwaben, the region with the worst dialect in Germany.

    Maybe Tarantino can get on that.

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  139. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @dearieme
    Hm. I lived in Yorkshire for a while. I found them evasive buggers. Rude but not frank. I suppose that's like New Yorkers?

    If you’re ever lost in New York and ask a New Yorker for help, they can be surprisingly polite. Don’t let their resting bitch faces throw you off.

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  140. Dictators are funny.

    The Downfall of Agile Hitler was pretty funny too.

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  141. Hibernian says:
    @Matthew McConnagay
    I don't get it, is Steve suggesting the Jews killed Stalin to prevent a pogrom?

    I think that’s one theory floating around.

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  142. Hibernian says:
    @anon
    OT: Three white dudes arrested for Minnesota Mosque bombing.

    We’ll never hear the end of it.

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  143. Hibernian says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Ed West explained the accents.

    https://twitter.com/edwest/status/925011840291262464?s=21

    So the Russian power structure of the time is speaking English in a mixture of American standard radio announcer, Godfather/Goodfellas/Dangerfield, working class British, and rural British, accents? All the actors own accents, except for one actor who decided on his own that Yorkshire was cool? Think of actors such as John Wayne who were criticized for playing themselves over and over again. Here all of the actors play themselves, at least accent wise. It seems that the explanation above is just a description, except for the actor who decided on a Yorkshire accent. I’d say it would make suspension of disbelief a lot harder for me if I went to see it.

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  144. @syonredux

    Yeah, didn’t he know it was current year? How dare he not fall along with “moral progress”!
     
    Call me a cuck, but I view ending the slave trade as moral progress.....

    I also like ‘dirty business’. You know what else has been considered dirty business? Manual labor, practical intellectual work and commerce.
     
    On the other hand, I'm willing to defend the moral virtue of manual labor, practical intellectual work, and commerce.....But the slave trade...not so much.......

    Call me a cuck, but I view ending the slave trade as moral progress…..

    You are actually going to have to provide a metric for ‘moral progress’ if you want to claim that. Otherwise it is just virtue/status signaling.

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    provide a metric for ‘moral progress’
     
    Okay, distance from the Golden Rule.
    , @syonredux

    Call me a cuck, but I view ending the slave trade as moral progress…..

    You are actually going to have to provide a metric for ‘moral progress’ if you want to claim that. Otherwise it is just virtue/status signaling.
     

    Does thinking that ending the slave trade was a good thing serve as virtue/status signalling in modern society?

    Let's see, metrics for moral progress.....Well, one could note all the pain and misery that has been caused by the the presence of Blacks in Anglo-America....Which means that importing Blacks via the Atlantic Slave Trade (which is how 90% plus of Blacks got to Anglo-America) was a really bad thing....

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  145. @inertial
    This movie was banned in Russia. That was not out of love for Stalin. Anti-Stalinists hated it too. For example, Nikita Mikhalkov, who made an Oskar-winning anti-Stalin movie of his own (Burned by the Sun,) was instrumental in banning the movie.

    Part of it is was that the creators of the movie show the typical level of knowledge about Russia (a little less than nothing.) But there was something else too, which was even worse. One small but telling detail that illustrates this is Zhukov's medals.

    In the movie, Zhukov goes everywhere looking like a clown with a chest comically full of medals. There are many absurd medals that the real life Zhukov didn't have and couldn't have, e.g. the naval awards. But there are medals that Zhukov did have but that had been carefully excised by Ianucci. British and American ones.

    Message to Russians: we will mock your military honors by using them as props for a clown suit. But we won't do the same to ours.

    https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flx-editorial-wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/25205434/the-death-of-stalin-screencap.jpg

    This movie was banned in Russia. That was not out of love for Stalin. Anti-Stalinists hated it too. For example, Nikita Mikhalkov, who made an Oskar-winning anti-Stalin movie of his own (Burned by the Sun,) was instrumental in banning the movie.

    What does that say about Modern Russia? Are people in Russia proud that what they regard as trashy movies are banned?

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    The British historian Max Hastings has written "there is no tradition of objective history in Russia." Stalin is a hero in Russia today. No criticism is allowed of Soviet Russia's behavior in World War II.
    , @inertial
    Banned means prevented from theatrical release. No one is prohibited from watching it, they just don't want this movie to make money in Russia.

    I don't support banning movies but in today's world Hollywood owns the Megaphone and Russia has very limited means to influence it.

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  146. @Steve Sailer
    This one, obviously.

    I don’t think this film would have been made in the 70′s and 80′s.

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  147. @Hunsdon
    I wonder how many people will appreciate the nom de Newman?

    I wonder how many people will appreciate the nom de Newman?

    At least three, counting Achmed. The TV coroner was a nice touch. I must admit Achmed E. Newman is one of my favorite nom de plumes. Not quite in the same stratum as Buck O’Fama, but right next to it.

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  148. @Steve Sailer
    Zhukov is pretty awesome in the movie, but he's also funny. He definitely lives things up when he arrives about halfway through.

    Iannucci has this shtick he does pretty frequently where a really over the top forceful character suddenly shows up midway through his plots without much introduction to the audience. And then all the minions, who know all about him, stand around muttering to each other yeah, yeah, he's always like this, but whaddaya whaddaya.

    Like in Veep there's the incredibly foul-mouthed Congressman from Ohio Roger Furlong:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfaALtuZ7vM

    Like in Veep there’s the incredibly foul-mouthed Congressman from Ohio Roger Furlong.

    Furlong was a great character in Veep. The difference between Veep and Iannucci’s previous show The Thick of It was that in the earlier one, the lead character Malcolm Tucker was the foul-mouthed one. Some great English invective.

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    Furlong was a great character in Veep. The difference between Veep and Iannucci’s previous show The Thick of It was that in the earlier one, the lead character Malcolm Tucker was the foul-mouthed one. Some great English invective.

     

    Malcolm Tucker was Scots.
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  149. @Dave Pinsen
    Ed West explained the accents.

    https://twitter.com/edwest/status/925011840291262464?s=21

    Margot Robbie has set a new standard for perfect accents. Watching I, Tonya, I kept forgetting she’s Australian. I don’t know if there is some brilliant new dialect coach out there or if she just has a talent for it.

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    Margot Robbie has set a new standard for perfect accents. Watching I, Tonya, I kept forgetting she’s Australian. I don’t know if there is some brilliant new dialect coach out there or if she just has a talent for it.
     
    Australians and New Zealanders are usually pretty good at mimicking British and American accents. Why? Necessity. The UK and the USA are the main centers for film and television production in the Anglosphere. To get ahead, Antipodean actors need to have the ability to switch off their native accents.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Her accent in the Wolf of Wall Street was perfect too.

    She's got to be the most talented actress of her generation.
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  150. Jack D says:

    What are the alternatives?

    1. Have everyone speak in fake Boris and Natasha accents.

    2. Conform to some kind of British (or American?) class scheme where the people of low class background speak Cockney and the upper class ones speak posh. Stalin and Beria would speak English with foreign (Georgian?) accents.

    3. Get an all Russian cast and subtitle it.

    None of these alternatives were perfect. If you see the movie it’s a pretty good movie. The stars are all pretty well known (it was meant to be a star vehicle) and the point of the movie was NOT to have them disappear into their roles (and they don’t). You don’t think for one minute that Buscemi IS Khrushchev the way Oldman IS Churchill. Buscemi is a good actor but fundamentally he always plays Buscemi – he is no Meryl Streep and doesn’t claim to be. The accents were an artistic decision. I suggest that you see the movie – it’s a pretty good movie – and judge for yourself whether it works or not. I think that it did and after a while you don’t pay attention to the accents any more and focus on the rest.

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  151. @Samuel Skinner

    Call me a cuck, but I view ending the slave trade as moral progress…..
     
    You are actually going to have to provide a metric for 'moral progress' if you want to claim that. Otherwise it is just virtue/status signaling.

    provide a metric for ‘moral progress’

    Okay, distance from the Golden Rule.

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  152. syonredux says:
    @Samuel Skinner

    Call me a cuck, but I view ending the slave trade as moral progress…..
     
    You are actually going to have to provide a metric for 'moral progress' if you want to claim that. Otherwise it is just virtue/status signaling.

    Call me a cuck, but I view ending the slave trade as moral progress…..

    You are actually going to have to provide a metric for ‘moral progress’ if you want to claim that. Otherwise it is just virtue/status signaling.

    Does thinking that ending the slave trade was a good thing serve as virtue/status signalling in modern society?

    Let’s see, metrics for moral progress…..Well, one could note all the pain and misery that has been caused by the the presence of Blacks in Anglo-America….Which means that importing Blacks via the Atlantic Slave Trade (which is how 90% plus of Blacks got to Anglo-America) was a really bad thing….

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  153. syonredux says:
    @Seth Largo
    Margot Robbie has set a new standard for perfect accents. Watching I, Tonya, I kept forgetting she's Australian. I don't know if there is some brilliant new dialect coach out there or if she just has a talent for it.

    Margot Robbie has set a new standard for perfect accents. Watching I, Tonya, I kept forgetting she’s Australian. I don’t know if there is some brilliant new dialect coach out there or if she just has a talent for it.

    Australians and New Zealanders are usually pretty good at mimicking British and American accents. Why? Necessity. The UK and the USA are the main centers for film and television production in the Anglosphere. To get ahead, Antipodean actors need to have the ability to switch off their native accents.

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    Also, they grow up watching American films and tv series. And then living a couple of years in the USA does wonders in the ability to mimick the local accent.
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  154. syonredux says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Like in Veep there’s the incredibly foul-mouthed Congressman from Ohio Roger Furlong.
     
    Furlong was a great character in Veep. The difference between Veep and Iannucci's previous show The Thick of It was that in the earlier one, the lead character Malcolm Tucker was the foul-mouthed one. Some great English invective.

    Furlong was a great character in Veep. The difference between Veep and Iannucci’s previous show The Thick of It was that in the earlier one, the lead character Malcolm Tucker was the foul-mouthed one. Some great English invective.

    Malcolm Tucker was Scots.

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  155. @German_reader

    Ehrenburg, the latter of course being particularly vicious in his exhortations to Russian soldiers to rape as many German women as possible when the Red Army entered Germany.
     
    That seems to be a myth, Ehrenburg denied ever having written something like this (he did exhort Red army soldiers to kill German soldiers, but that's kind of the point of war), and no evidence to the contrary seems to exist. The original source of that claim was apparently a right-wing journalist in 1950s West Germany who may well have made up this particular allegation.
    That being said, Red army soldiers did commit lots of rapes and other war crimes in 1944/45, and people who deny or justify that can f**k off as far as I'm concerned.

    “That being said, Red army soldiers did commit lots of rapes and other war crimes in 1944/45, and people who deny or justify that can f**k off as far as I’m concerned.”

    Agreed. Under the circumstances, I think the Russians would have been justified in flattening every building and cutting down every male in uniform, irrespective of age (though I do understand that more than one Ivan, upon finding a scared pre-teen pointing an old rifle at him, would grab the rifle, give young Fritz a solid cuffing about the head, and send him on his way). But rape is a reprehensible act, and those who would attempt to justify it are equally reprehensible.

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  156. BB753 says:
    @David In TN
    Red army soldiers raped their way through Hungary at the same time. Yes, people who excuse or rationalize it can you-know-what.

    Raping and looting is a time-honored warfare tradition.

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  157. BB753 says:
    @syonredux

    Margot Robbie has set a new standard for perfect accents. Watching I, Tonya, I kept forgetting she’s Australian. I don’t know if there is some brilliant new dialect coach out there or if she just has a talent for it.
     
    Australians and New Zealanders are usually pretty good at mimicking British and American accents. Why? Necessity. The UK and the USA are the main centers for film and television production in the Anglosphere. To get ahead, Antipodean actors need to have the ability to switch off their native accents.

    Also, they grow up watching American films and tv series. And then living a couple of years in the USA does wonders in the ability to mimick the local accent.

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    Margot Robbie has set a new standard for perfect accents. Watching I, Tonya, I kept forgetting she's Australian. I don't know if there is some brilliant new dialect coach out there or if she just has a talent for it.

    Her accent in the Wolf of Wall Street was perfect too.

    She’s got to be the most talented actress of her generation.

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  159. Simon says:
    @Jack D

    Tambor... saw his face Photoshopped out of the movie’s poster for #MeToo reasons.

     

    Not only did they photoshop him out but they replaced him with a woman (Stalin's daughter) which makes no sense because the poster was mean to look like a Kremlin lineup photo (they used to line up on Lenin's Tomb on parade days and you could tell who was in or out depending on whether they were in the photo and how close to Stalin they were standing).

    Stalin's daughter is a very minor character in the movie - she is sort of given the Margaret Dumont straight role as the sane person amid all the crazies. (In real life she was as crazy as a loon herself - she kept "defecting" back and forth from Russia to the US and back to Russia and back to the West again. Stalin's granddaughter is some sort of tattooed hipster who lives in Portland). In the movie, she is portrayed as mostly concerned with feminine domestic details - she remarks that the herb garden of Stalin's dacha has gone to seed, someone has put a desk lamp on a chair, we should serve some tea and biscuits, etc. The actress who plays her is not really given much material to work with and she is not good enough to create a character out of nothing as some great actors can. Amid all the other big personalities on screen she sort of fades into the woodwork. Replacing Tambor with her on the poster was clearly meant to send a (Kremlin-like) message.

    Our Left is completely humorless and without irony. (Stalin's gang at least had a sense of humor albeit a cruel one). In promoting a movie about how the evil Soviets would attempt to airbrush history...... they attempt to airbrush their own recent history. Unpersoning someone in the name of Stalinism is bad but unpersoning for the cause of MeTooism is good. And the irony of this completely escapes them.

    I think Andrea Riseborough, who played Stalin’s daughter, is a fantastic actress — just this side of retarded in the (awful) remake of “Brighton Rock,” endearingly spunky and hilarious as a young Margaret Thatcher in “The Long Walk to Finchley,” which is well worth renting from Netflix.

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  160. Simon says:

    I would love to know if the big opening scene in “The Death of Stalin” — when a just-finished concert, complete with symphony orchestra, pianist, and applauding audience, has to be repeated in every detail so that a vinyl recording can be made of it for Stalin — has any basis in reality. It comes across as absurd (as well as horrifying and funny), but it’s SO weird that one suspects it may not be entirely made up.

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    Supposedly the twice-played concert happened in the 1940s. The pianists' courage in refusing to play again for Stalin comes from a work that is claimed to be Shostakovich's secret memoir (although I have no idea if it is).
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  161. @Simon
    I would love to know if the big opening scene in "The Death of Stalin" -- when a just-finished concert, complete with symphony orchestra, pianist, and applauding audience, has to be repeated in every detail so that a vinyl recording can be made of it for Stalin -- has any basis in reality. It comes across as absurd (as well as horrifying and funny), but it's SO weird that one suspects it may not be entirely made up.

    Supposedly the twice-played concert happened in the 1940s. The pianists’ courage in refusing to play again for Stalin comes from a work that is claimed to be Shostakovich’s secret memoir (although I have no idea if it is).

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  162. AndrewR says:
    @Hagfish
    No, this is just off on the wrong foot and a total waste of talent, money and time. It’s insulting to demand the audience overlook the glaring lack of Russian accents, and which even manages to overshadow the second problem that it doesn’t appear the movie is particularly witty or more than spottily amusing
    There are lorry loads of British actors that could convincingly speak with a Russian accent, some of which may have been in this cast, and even the few Americans could at least provide unintentional snickers by attempting it as well. Or better yet, include a few native Russian speaking actors such as those from the series, The Americans.

    The US population is almost exactly five times greater than the UK population, yet you think “lorry loads” of British actors can do a convincing Russian accent while few, if any, American actors can? What a dumb troll you are.

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  163. @Inquiring Mind
    This movie was banned in Russia. That was not out of love for Stalin. Anti-Stalinists hated it too. For example, Nikita Mikhalkov, who made an Oskar-winning anti-Stalin movie of his own (Burned by the Sun,) was instrumental in banning the movie.

    What does that say about Modern Russia? Are people in Russia proud that what they regard as trashy movies are banned?

    The British historian Max Hastings has written “there is no tradition of objective history in Russia.” Stalin is a hero in Russia today. No criticism is allowed of Soviet Russia’s behavior in World War II.

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  164. inertial says:
    @Inquiring Mind
    This movie was banned in Russia. That was not out of love for Stalin. Anti-Stalinists hated it too. For example, Nikita Mikhalkov, who made an Oskar-winning anti-Stalin movie of his own (Burned by the Sun,) was instrumental in banning the movie.

    What does that say about Modern Russia? Are people in Russia proud that what they regard as trashy movies are banned?

    Banned means prevented from theatrical release. No one is prohibited from watching it, they just don’t want this movie to make money in Russia.

    I don’t support banning movies but in today’s world Hollywood owns the Megaphone and Russia has very limited means to influence it.

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