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From Vox:

Accelerationism: the obscure idea inspiring white supremacist killers around the world
How a techno-capitalist philosophy morphed into a justification for murder.

By Zack Beauchamp @[email protected] Updated Nov 18, 2019

Personally, I’m a decelerationist: let’s use government policy to slow change down, not accelerate it. But of course, the wisdom of Vox is to put the pedal to the metal on immigration. After all, what could possibly go wrong?

 
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  1. Let’s get really extreme and go full Reversalist.

    • Replies: @anon921
  2. Rahan says:

    Decelerationism is basically “Conservatism”.

    Progressives want to accelerate, and conservatives want to decelerate.

    Progressives are all “we must force through grandomanical changes right now at any coast!!111”, and conservatives are all “let’s just all back off a bit and take a breath and examine what we already have and what our next steps should be.”

    When this “push and pull show” works in a healthy manner, society has bursts of fast change, and then lulls in which it digests those changed.

    The West is now in a crazy situation without lulls, and has been for decades. Trump’s voters are mostly decelerationists, as well as Farage’s, Le Pen’s, Orban’s, and Salvini’s. They’ve all been demanding a break to digest changes for decades, and for decades have been denied this break, and instead branded fascists and xenophobes.

    Yet real conservatism is trying to come back, and it is coming back, and it’s name is decelerationism:)

  3. MEH 0910 says:

    Five Gears In Reverse

  4. Perhaps if mass immigration is leading to such insanity, we may want to consider stopping mass immigration? Or is that too radical if an idea?

    • Replies: @anon921
  5. Thomm says:

    I’m a decelerationist: let’s use government policy to slow change down, not accelerate it.

    Which has about as much chance of success as trying to legislate away gravity.

    The accelerating rate of change is as old as life on Earth. Read Kurzweil.

    • Troll: Clyde
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    , @oddsbodkins
  6. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:

    Something akin to that accelerationist idea (i.e. the only hope is to burn The System down, the system being a mutually reinforcing capitalism-technology feedback loop) was also a central tenant of the Unabomber manifesto.

  7. My philosophy used to be redlining, but now it is torque. This is because our displacement is greater.

    • Replies: @reactionry
    , @J.Ross
  8. The accelerationists are like a pseudointellectual version of The Monkey Wrench Gang.

  9. BenKenobi says:

    Personally, I’m a decelerationist

    I had an epiphany today: racial-leftists are establishing a “credible monopoly on the use of racism.”

    Think of the various dichotomies. This is how we get the idea that Facebook as a private corporation cannot violate civil rights, but a Mom-and-Pop bakery can. Or how a White couple can be tortured and raped for days before their eventual murder and not receive a peep in the media but a White woman enforcing building etiquette against a negro is nationwide news.

    “The credible monopoly of the use of racism.”

    You heard it first here.

  10. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:

    At least the VOX article clears up why NBC news cares about a 60-something guy in Denver bumming hot meals. He’s not just some guy, he’s an accelerationist bumming hot meals from the senior center!

    So what does that make the young guys who shoot up house parties in the Bay Area and Texas and New Jersey? Month after month, someone decides to accelerate a house party, some people get shot, a few die. Monotonous. What does this make those guys? I know, I know, I know – victims of institutional racism, redlining, Jim Crow, slavery, lead paint, etc. etc. etc. ok, zzzzzzz.

    This world really does belong to clowns. It is clown world.

  11. Anon[328] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: The London Bridge stabber had terrible timing. He’s just reminded everyone in Britain that immigration gets then killed–right during an election–and all the native Brits have to defend themselves with are narwhal tusks and fire extinguishers. This will move anyone waffling over to Boris.

    • Replies: @216
    , @blank-misgivings
  12. @Buzz Mohawk

    Ford vs Ferrari vs ’74 Chevy Nova?
    Or: “Le Grand Am Cubique Displacement” by “Renault” Camus”?*

    No one expects the Spanish Inquisition, Tomás de Torquemada or getting questioned by the cops, so try to keep your TED-9 holstered lest your temper tachometer end up in the Red (Zone) on account of having to scoop up every cubic centimeter of grey matter displaced straight outta’ the skull of someone from Compton or LA or wherever.

    https://www.prettymotors.com/the-cars-of-pulp-fiction-film/

    * https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/04/the-french-origins-of-you-will-not-replace-us
    (highly recommended for a glimpse of its author’s twisted logic)

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    , @Cortes
  13. Onebornfree says: • Website

    S.Sailer says: “..let’s use government policy to slow change down, not accelerate it..”

    Government doesn’t solve problems, it creates them.

    “Everything government touches turns to crap” Ringo Starr

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure” Robert LeFevere

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @El Dato
  14. Tusk says:
    @Rahan

    Definitely agree with this. To me faster or slower doesn’t really matter, let us just steer the car better instead of off a cliff or into a brick wall.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  15. Vox wants to destroy the old US, while thinking things will be done just as competently as they were in The Bad Old Days.

  16. @Reg Cæsar

    I had previously assumed that most of such cases were due to old farts (like me) pushing on the accelerator pedal when they meant to step on the brake, but now I know that should one see some geezer staggering from that sort of accident and sobbing, “I’m so, so sorry….it’s all my fault…I feel terrible….(kneels, extends arms, gazes heavenward, gnashes teeth, rends garments),”
    one could say, “It’s OK, Boomer…no, really, it’s OK…I know a good attorney…you’ve hit the All American Jackpot…what?…I said, ‘It’s OK, Boomer’…turn up your frickin’ hearing aid….read my lips…O K B O OM E R…what?…no, that’s not what I said….oh, never mind…you’re really going to blow your brains out because of guilt?…yeah, I know you’re serious…OK Boomer.”

  17. El Dato says:
    @Onebornfree

    Govnmt creates problems (including extreme amounts of Death either locally or over the hills), and creates more Govnmt, then surrounds itself with an accretion disk of leeches that waste oxygen and propaganda arms that look “independent”. Especially if it can finance itself with money pulled from the future. Which it invariably soon can, it’s one of the first roadblocks that are removed to set the demon free.

    It’s a really good idea to keep it small (but not too small) and continually perform pruning & chaos monkey operations against which it may not defend itself by creating special countering forces.

    From Frank Herbert’s “Whipping Star” (1969)

    He began fidgeting, which set the chairdog into a burst of rippling movements to soothe him. Enforced idleness nagged at him. Where was Furuneo? McKie chided himself. Furuneo probably had many planetary duties as BuSab agent here. And he couldn’t know the full urgency of their problem. This might be one of the planets where BuSab was spread thin. The gods of immortality knew the Bureau could always find work.

    McKie began reflecting on his role in the affairs of sentiency. Once, long centuries past, con-sentients with a psychological compulsion to “do good” had captured the government. Unaware of the writhing complexities, the mingled guilts and self-punishments, beneath their compulsion, they had eliminated virtually all delays and red tape from government. The great machine with its blundering power over sentient life had slipped into high gear, had moved faster and faster. Laws had been conceived and passed in the same hour. Appropriations had flashed into being and were spent in a fortnight. New bureaus for the most improbable purposes had leaped into existence and proliferated like some insane fungus.

    Government had become a great destructive wheel without a governor, whirling with such frantic speed that it spread chaos wherever it touched.

    In desperation, a handful of sentients had conceived the Sabotage Corps to slow that wheel. There had been bloodshed and other degrees of violence, but the wheel had been slowed. In time, the Corps had become a Bureau, and the Bureau was whatever it was today — an organization headed into its own corridors of entropy, a group of sentients who preferred subtle diversion to violence . . . but were prepared for violence when the need arose.

    Assange can be the patron saint of BuSab.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  18. anon921 says: • Website
    @Kenny Chandler

    It is not radical, at all. It is just HWYTE ZUPREMUHSIST!!!

  19. A real accelerationist would use an accelerant. That’s a term used by firemen and arson investigators. Usually it’s gasoline. Who is starting the fires? We didn’t. Supposedly, “It was always burnin’ since the world’s been turnin’”., but, I don’t know …

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @El Dato
  20. anon921 says: • Website
    @Ash Williams

    Its a problem of means and strategy, not goals.

  21. I didn’t fool you all for a minute, did I? Yeah, I lied. We *are* greedy geezers. And why not? We got screwed by the so-called “Greatest Generation” and those that follow us deserve the Hell they’ll be getting.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-day-of-the-pillow/

  22. @Rahan

    Rahan wrote:

    Progressives are all “we must force through grandomanical changes right now at any coast!!111”, and conservatives are all “let’s just all back off a bit and take a breath and examine what we already have and what our next steps should be.”

    When this “push and pull show” works in a healthy manner, society has bursts of fast change, and then lulls in which it digests those changed.

    No.

    The whole idea that what mainly matters is the rate of change is just crazy.

    It is, in fact, the central fallacy of the Left.

    It’s not the rate of change that matters, but the direction.

    The direction we have been moving in is to disempower and defraud the productive people of society in order to enrich and empower a ruling elite whose daily activities consist of bossing around (and despising) their fellow citizens.

    The problem is not that we have moved too fast in this direction but rather that we are doing this at all.

    We ought to move fast, as fast as possible, in the opposite direction, to restore a society in which honest, productive people can build their lives and raise their families in peace, without being exploited by a parasitic elite.

  23. Trump’s fault.

    These killings were often linked to the alt-right, described as an outgrowth of the movement’s rise in the Trump era.

  24. LondonBob says:

    Conceivably you could forge a path of zero immigration, low key encouragement of repatriation, ending affirmative action, segregated schooling, advancing traditional culture in the media and a punitive legal system that could solve our current issues relatively peacefully. Unfortunately an unpleasant civil war or fifteenth century Spanish style mass expulsions is more likely, or just a slow degeneration like South Africa.

    • Replies: @216
  25. What’s it called when you step on the brake pedal after you’ve already driving the bus over the cliff?

    Kind of like Titanicism: Going full stop after you’ve hit the iceberg.

  26. There are more than a few “accelerationists” hanging out around here, albeit nowhere near as extreme as the Vox article makes it sound. When I posted that Kamala Harris would be far more destructive as president than Elizabeth Warren, at least two people responded they hoped Harris won because it would wake up more white people.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    , @Stan d Mute
  27. Thea says:

    These type of articles are going to draw young adults and teens to the dark side like flies to honey. The Heavy Metal hysteria of the 1980s was gift to that genre. “Be edgey, cool and piss off your parents by listening to this record.”

  28. Elli says:

    Accelerationism is nothing new.

    Every terrorist, revolutionary, and insurgent movement has done that for a century. Strike, riot, wreck, kill, make the ordinary people miserable so they give up on the regime that can’t help them.

    A nice surgical coup, at least there’s some finesse there.

    • Agree: reactionry
  29. Accelerationism is the hot new gift that everyone wants for Christmas!

    Decelerationism is a mechanical lull before full-bore Accelerationism kicks in.

    I ain’t bothering to check the spelling, but the corporate propaganda whores love these new words like accelerationism and some new toad called groyper.

    But you must get asset bubbles and financialization and central banker shysters in there to increase the fun of all this talk about accelerationism and groypers and the like.

    I knew Mueller was gonna go fishing and then bring back a guppy and then go home, which is what he did. Mueller knows all the bastards in Swamp City DC are filthy crooks, and Trump is the least of the crooked crooks.

    The ruling class doesn’t want to delegitimize the political structure of the American Empire by removing Trump or causing any more problems.

    I wrote this in 2017 about accelerationism and the Deep State:

    ACCELERATIONISM is coming whatever Mueller does, but I don’t think Mueller wants to be the bastard that starts something that will involve the destruction of the ruling class. The ruling class already knows the next global financial implosion is on its way, any attempt to remove President Trump from power will bring into question the legitimacy of the United States government. The Deep State wants to continue in power as long as possible.

    The Deep State has some members that see the future; they know the central banks run the scam. The Deep State will activate some heavy duty stuff if they try to remove Trump. The Deep State is looking to blame Trump for the upcoming global financial implosion.

    Check this 2017 NY Times’ opinion piece about central banking and asset bubbles. The Deep State knows the jig is up on financialization:

  30. “Oh no! People unhappy with neoliberal globohomo jihad!”.txt.

  31. @reactionry

    ” so try to keep your TED-9 holstered”

    Well now, your TEC-9 (“TED-9” [sic]) is actually a product of the “accelerationists” being actively countered by the “decelerationists” in the firearms manufacturing business, so, who said you can’t fight City Hall?

  32. Dmitry says:

    This terminology “accelerationism”, used in this context, is Leninism, and was summarized in a phrase of Lenin’s favourite author Chernyshevsky: “the worse things get, the better things get” (because accelerating the crisis of late capitalism, is also accelerating the possibilities for revolutionary practice).

    Americans are using now openly concepts from Marxism-Leninism, without knowing this is from Marxism-Leninism (Leninism itself is “Marxism for people who are too stupid and dangerous to understand Marx”, and Marxism was “Hegelism for people who are too stupid and dangerous to understand Hegel”) – another sign of the failure of the Western education system in non-technical subjects.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  33. I read the first third of the linked article and scanned the rest.

    No wonder they’re so paranoid. Rarely have I read a piece in which the author so misunderstood and misstated his opponent’s point of view. Ignorance is not bliss, it is folly. You must know your enemy or you will, unavoidably, underestimate him.

    The author writes well, but is cursed with myopia. He just flat out can’t see clearly.

  34. backup says:

    I notice that right wing violence is almost always perpetrated by person with antisemitic ideas whereas the newly rising populist right wing parties that run for elections mostly are pro-Israel. AfD tried to get Thilo Sarrazin – who advocates the immigration of Jews into Germany – into the party for instance.

    Noticeable exception is Breivik if I understand correctly.

    Off course the left is claiming both to be the same, but I think the difference is very important.

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @guest
  35. Nonsense Steve-o. “We can therefore we must!”

  36. @PhysicistDave

    Look what deceleration got Ken Miles.

  37. Romanian says: • Website

    This might be of interest to you guys. John Mearsheimer takes a crowbar to the establishment, hits on iSteve issues.

    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
  38. J.Ross says:

    >accelerationism comes from the modern right
    So in other words, there was never such a person as Lenin.
    (Also their “red pill” article is gibberish they just made up.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  39. J.Ross says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “Not more than you need, just more than you’re used to.”

  40. @anon

    “It is clown world.”

    All I want for Christmas is a time machine. The primary conundrum for present day time-travelers to a more white-friendly period — the 1950s for example — will be the lack of shops selling extra-large clothing. I wasn’t alive when the Dulles brothers ruled the Earth, but I’m pretty sure fatties were an anomaly.

  41. The Vox article is about one high school friend who murdered another in connection with some sort of gay hook up, or something. Vox is convinced it’s all part of an insidious neo-nazi conspiracy.

    But the only thing that I found noteworthy about the incident is that the killer was named Woodward and the victim was named Bernstein. What are the odds!

    Authorities quickly identified Woodward as a suspect and found Bernstein’s blood in his car and on a knife in his possession. They learned that Woodward was a member of Atomwaffen Division — one of the most extreme neo-Nazi groups in the country. He was arrested; he pleaded not guilty and is still awaiting trial.

    They could have headlined the article: “Woodward murders Bernstein.” That would have been good clickbait.

    By the way, the neo-Nazi “group” that Vox and the SPLC are hyperventilating about appears to be basically some kids on a chat board.

  42. @PhysicistDave

    Well said. When conservatism lacks concrete goals, it becomes leftism in slow motion.

  43. I have read a small amount of Land and Moldbug and they definitely have unique takes on issues that deserve wide discussion. Neither is fun and both appear fatally flawed in very different ways. Land seems to believe that Kaczynski presents an accurate view of our condition but he doesn’t seem to be acting like it. If I believed what he claims I would never smoke or drink or eat McDonald’s and I would be working every day on my physical condition and combat skills. I would not be smoking cigarettes and eating amphetamines or living in Shanghai (I can’t offhand recall the proper current spelling). Yikes.

    Moldbug used to make about as much sense as Gurdjieff but I kind of like his latest essays. In the latest one

    (https://americanmind.org/essays/the-clear-pill-part-2-of-5-a-theory-of-pervasive-error/)

    this jumped out at me:

    Of course, some people are sociopaths. They actually find lies inherently pretty, useful, or both. Sociopaths are rare and hard to wrangle, and it is hard to imagine a pure audience of them. There are always enough sociopaths to fill a niche, never enough to fill a room. So it is hard for sociopaths to sway a market. (If you imagine that there is some party, tribe, class, or nation of sociopaths, this is very sad and you should stop.)

    He still needs an editor. Good ideas are not served by obfuscation.

    • Replies: @Jack Henson
    , @anon
    , @SFG
  44. El Dato says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Usually it’s gasoline.

    You can also use

    > Urtifucial Untelligence
    > Going off the gold standard
    > Deploy economic crack like Quantiative Easing and Easy Quacking
    > Liberatory wars
    > Open borders
    > Running out of resources
    > Pervasive surveillance
    > Obedient meedja and Facebook stuff
    > Make everything come down to money, feels and “nazis”

    In the pipe, five by five

  45. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @BenKenobi

    Sailer earlier dubbed it “prestigious racism”–a tad oblique, but pithier.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  46. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Is accelerationism really equivalent to “the worse, the better?” My impression was the former had a heavy HBD/bio-con/Nietzschean bent and believe their ideology outcompetes others, real soon now. While Lenin just considered any damage/retaliation against society to be a Good Thing.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  47. @Morton's toes

    Isn’t your critique of Land literally that meme about “You live in a society yet you critique society! How odd!”

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  48. @Thomm

    Nonsense. “Change” is a meaningless abstraction. Your fingernail is “change.” So is the universe. So what.

    A perfectly valid, and much less abstract, idea, acceptable to both left and right, is “sustainability” (annoying as all neologisms can be).

    And anyhow, there is a big difference between natural “change,” the changing of the seasons, the graying of the hair, the decay and dissipation of sound waves, and monstrous, destructive, deliberate, unwanted, unnecessary change foisted on the general public by elites and their excuse-bearing minions.

    • Agree: Pat Kittle
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  49. anon[205] • Disclaimer says:
    @Morton's toes

    (If you imagine that there is some party, tribe, class, or nation of sociopaths, this is very sad and you should stop.)

    Mencius Moldbug is also known as (((Curtis Yarvin))) .

  50. @Dmitry

    Alt Right are more Marxist than Marx.

    Marx believed that the means of production (basically, the level of technology) determined the workers’ cultural mindset. If we wish to change the way people think then we have to rescript their working conditions. Culture and hence the human mind, are malleable. All we need do is plot where we want to go and rewrite the program. The Left follows this line.

    Alt Righters on the other hand, hold to a more nuanced view, one that is supported by the latest science. This is what the author of the linked piece misses in his rush to condemn what he doesn’t comprehend.

    Alt Rightists believe that not only does the level of technology e.g. hunter gatherers, Sardinian farmers, chariot-driving Siberians shape consciousness but it also sculpts the genotype and that this process proceeds in a positive feedback loop so as to optimize a people’s genes for surviving in that particular cultural milieu.

    So for Alt Rightists, dialing in a new culture is not such an easy task as Leftists imagine it to be. For a Leftist, change means tinkering with what they regard as “merely” cultural. The Alt Rightist would never use the expression “merely” cultural. No such thing exists.

    Acknowledging that technology shapes consciousness and the gene pool and that to change any means to change all makes the Alt Right even more radical than Marx and his followers (including present day ones), who only foresaw the need to change consciousness through reforming social relations.

    This is what Leftists don’t understand about us (or themselves).

  51. 216 says: • Website
    @Anon

    Unlikely,

    The press was quick to play up the Polish origin of Mr. Narwahl

    Terror attacks in ’17 proved to the benefit of Labour, as the public blamed “austerity” in the police.

  52. 216 says: • Website
    @LondonBob

    The gliding path we are on is an increasing descent into authoritarianism. For now power is increasingly usurped by the judiciary, and then insulated from popular reprisal by academics and journolists.

    But how long can this persist. Other than the judicary, the other source of unelected power is the bureaucracy, particularly the military.

    If existing hate speech laws and police states cannot keep tensions low, I won’t be surprised to see generals increasingly defying the civilian politicians. We already see signs of it

    -Police mutinies against Mayor DeBlasio in NYC
    -Lt. Col. Vindman (traitor)
    -JCS issuing coup threats after Charlottesville
    -French troops on the streets
    -EU pressing to remove defense from national governments

    I’m unfamiliar on foreign data, but in the US the military is the most trusted of the institutions in poll after poll.

    The lesson of history will be for “authoritarian centirsts”. The Reichswehr had the ability to overthrow the ineffective civilian administrations in Weimar, but didn’t out of some respect for “oaths”.

  53. SFG says:
    @backup

    Probably more in Europe, where (a) the Nazis left a lot of really bad memories in people’s heads (they started the largest war in history and basically left Europe in ruins, not that Uncle Joe didn’t help) and (b) there aren’t nearly as many left-wing Jews screwing everything up, so having a few Zemmours and Finkielkrauts around doesn’t seem so bad–they don’t have the experience of a Jewish-led version of the right driving the conservative party into a ditch.

    That said, yes, Breitbart is a lot more effective than the Daily Stormer. We’ll see how far Nick Fuentes gets.

    (The neocons were really liberals? I guess, but you get too far into ‘no true conservative’ with that–they had the GOP, the military, etc. It all depends on the terms, but reading left-wing sites they do a lot of the same thing with accusing insufficiently redistributionist people of being ‘neoliberals’, etc.)

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @guest
  54. SFG says:
    @Morton's toes

    That’s the thing, I think–he hoarded enough cash to retire after a tech boom and nobody can tell him anything because, well, unlike the vast majority of writers, he doesn’t need their money.

  55. @Anon

    Why would anyone think Boris will reduce immigration? I see nothing in his history or public statements to suggest that. And Brexit will simply mean replacing Eastern Europeans with Pakistanis.

    • Agree: Houston 1992
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  56. J.Ross says:

    Take a minute, because Joe Biden spoke publicy again.


    This is what [anon’s] managed to transcribe:
    >And by the way, you know, I sit on the stand, and I get hot, I got hairy legs, that turn, that-that-that-that, that turn, uh, that turn, um, blond in the sun, and the kids used to come up and reach into the pool, and rub my leg down, so it was, and then watch the hair come back up again, they’d look at, so I learned about roaches, I learned about kids jumping on my lap…and I love kids jumping on my lap.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  57. J.Ross says:
    @Joe Stalin

    There’s a lot of good moments in the CIA propaganda series Burn Notice and one is where weapons of this family (I believe they are specifically talking about a MAC-10, but it’s big mac vs whopper) is identified as the least accurate firearms you could buy.

  58. nebulafox says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Orthodox conservatism would imply there is much worth conserving in the current order. Unless you are an oligarch feasting as America decays, I don’t see how you can argue that.

    And I say this as someone innately inclined to stability and patterns.

  59. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rahan

    Trump’s voters are mostly decelerationists, as well as Farage’s

    Farage’s supporters are mostly privileged upper-class stockbroker types who hope Brexit will lead to an acceleration of neoliberalism, globalism and neo-Thatcherism. They’re also very pro-immigration.

  60. dfordoom says: • Website
    @PhysicistDave

    The whole idea that what mainly matters is the rate of change is just crazy.

    It is, in fact, the central fallacy of the Left.

    It’s not the rate of change that matters, but the direction.

    Agreed.

    Decelerationism is like arguing that if the bus goes over the cliff at 80mph we’ll all be killed but if it goes over the cliff at 70mph we’ll all be fine. It’s still the same damned cliff.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  61. nebulafox says:
    @SFG

    Anti-Semitism was originally itself created as a positive alternative term. More objective, cool, dispassionate, and rooted in reason and modernity, as opposed to the previous term, Judenhaß, which was associated with pogroms and religious prejudice.

    (In the Gemlich Letter of 1919, Hitler goes to great lengths to assert the difference between the more modern European brand of anti-Semitism based around biology and “reason” from the old fashioned religiously motivated stuff you saw before the bourgeois age. He actually seemed to hold the latter in a degree of contempt.)

    Anywhom, nobody sane is a self-described “anti-Semite” after 1945, not after the Holocaust. Prejudice against Jews in Europe is mostly found in Middle Eastern Muslim immigrant communities for the most part these days. This is something that the European media wants to obscure and will occasionally flat out lie about in a desperate attempt to pin it on the hard-right, but election results show that it is fooling nobody in the Jewish communities across the pond: European Jews are on average far more right-wing than their American cousins, and it boils down to the fact that over there, they are viewed by the left as the whitest of all white people, not as “oppressed”.

    It is not at all hard to find French Jews (those who aren’t making plans to emigrate to Israel) who vote for Marine Le Pen. Consider what her father was like, that’s deeply telling.

    >(The neocons were really liberals? I guess, but you get too far into ‘no true conservative’ with that–they had the GOP, the military, etc. It all depends on the terms, but reading left-wing sites they do a lot of the same thing with accusing insufficiently redistributionist people of being ‘neoliberals’, etc.)

    I’d call them progressive in the elemental sense of the word, but that doesn’t necessarily translate to liberal or left-wing. The Wilsonians-their true predecessors in history-that plunged the US into WWI were similar.

    The tricky thing here is that both wings of the American political spectrum have a deeply embedded Whiggish take on things that has a lot to do with America’s national psychology (i.e, it is not something that is going to change barring a true catastrophe), and after the Soviet Union fell, this got even more deeply embedded. Thus, you can have a party that is deeply right-wing and often reactionary, but also fundamentally progressive in their view of how the world works.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  62. dfordoom says: • Website
    @blank-misgivings

    Why would anyone think Boris will reduce immigration? I see nothing in his history or public statements to suggest that. And Brexit will simply mean replacing Eastern Europeans with Pakistanis.

    The belief that Boris will reduce immigration is pure wishful thinking. He’s already made it clear he wants to increase immigration.

    • Replies: @216
  63. Cortes says:
    @reactionry

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Ayala_(novelist)

    has a magnificent short story (in the collection “Los usurpadores” – “The Usurpers” in a so-so translation) on Torquemada.

    A great, great writer.

  64. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    I see only academic differences, the point is this justifies the unjustifiable.

  65. Whiskey says: • Website

    Steve, decelerationism is a Jonah Goldberg failure. Its a cop-out cuckservative solution. Its going nowhere, does not answer the existential issue for White MEN as a discriminated minority in a non-White majority nation, and has nor realistic program for success. Its akin to “the Conservative Case for Drag Queen Story Hour.”

    Sorry to blunt. I love your stuff and your courage, but here you’re just wrong.

    We need a realistic survival program for White Men to avoid getting Final Solutioned. Either Austrian style or China’s version for Uighurs. THAT is what we need.


    The military is split, unlike the judiciary. The generals are all pozzed up Clinton, Bush, Obamaites. See Casey and the Fort Hood Jihadi. The tip of the spear, Spec Ops, love Trump and his pardons. That’s why he did it. The Brass all hate it — Spencer got forced out because of it. The military demands its troops fight endless foreign wars without victory or even a chance of it but don’t kill anyone or offend Muslims. This leaves the tip of the spear killers in perpetual rage against the brass who are soft and weak. Paging Flight Lt. Jerry Rawlings, Sgt. Samuel K Doe!

    This is something we can work with for survival.

  66. @Thomm

    In twenty years historians will correctly lump Kurzweil with L. Ron Hubbard.

    • LOL: black sea
    • Replies: @Thomm
  67. guest says:

    Accelerationism is an internet-y thing which may or may not be more popular amongst white supremacist killers than other groups (I wouldn’t know.) But it is another in a long line of Dostoyevskian demons which the mainstream left finds occupying the minds of poor, young lads fit for reeducation or extermination or whatever.

    Really, though it’s no different than what Obama was up to in his formative years. “Organizing” communities to overwhelm the “system” and bring about the Crisis of Capitalism which would finally bring his kind into power.

  68. guest says:
    @backup

    Antisemitism goes along with intellectual freedom.

  69. guest says:
    @SFG

    Neocon roots are very well known. Midcentury liberals–mostly Jews–who became disillusioned with the Great Society jumped to the Outer Party. They did not shift right. The right came their way.

    Less well-known, they were originally Trotskyistes. Their enemies were not commies but Stalinists.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @216
  70. dfordoom says: • Website
    @nebulafox

    This is something that the European media wants to obscure and will occasionally flat out lie about in a desperate attempt to pin it on the hard-right

    The European/British hard right bears no resemblance to the American hard right. The European/British variety is extremely pro-Zionist and is motivated by hatred of Muslims. The American variety is motivated by hatred of Jews, blacks and, increasingly, Mexicans.

    The Europeans have a different hard right tradition – much more statist. The American variety is based on paranoia about communism and is heavily infected by libertarianism (libertarians being pretty much unknown outside the US).

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  71. @Jack Henson

    No.

    My critique is I consider him a less sincere analyst of modern systems and ideology, than for example:

    Kaczynski, Kevin McDonald, E. Michael Jones, Stephen Flowers.

    I suspect he is a poseur. I can’t prove it and I haven’t read all of it but that is the impression that I get.

  72. @J.Ross

    That was from the 2017 “Corn Pop” speech. Admittedly, he hasn’t gotten any more coherent since then.

  73. Thomm says:
    @oddsbodkins

    In twenty years historians will correctly lump Kurzweil with L. Ron Hubbard.

    No. They will correctly categorize Steve Sailer alongside the National Review cuckservatives as ‘afraid of change’.

    • Replies: @reactionry
  74. I don’t know how anyone on the right can not be an accelerationist.

  75. @dfordoom

    But if it slows down, we have more time to disable the driver.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  76. MBlanc46 says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Without a doubt one of your best comments ever, PD!

  77. MBlanc46 says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    They see no hope of escaping disaster (apparently, you do) and they believe that exacerbating the conflict will lead to a better outcome. They may be wrong, but their views don’t make them an equivalent of the Left.

    • Agree: Johnny Smoggins
  78. @Joe Stalin

    “(TED-9 [sic])” – oops – had Googled “Tech Nine” and then miscopied TEC-9. The TeCH was to have gone with TaCHometer. BTW, the “Terminator” “Tech Noir” and gun store scenes can be fun to review. The cyborg apparently modified a “Uzi nine millimeter” for a full auto performance at a night club:

    [MORE]

    Of course, at various times some generally right wing/white wing factions will, for largely tactical reasons, be “Acels” and others, “Decels,” and the same will be true of generally left wing/non-white wing factions.
    At present most or all of the Democrats vying for the right to run for President seem to be Acelerationists with respect to what amounts to “open borders.” A “tipping point” for an all-out genocidal war against whites might have been reached. If the Democrats win control of the Presidency, House and Senate, they could pack/expand the Supreme Court and then whites would have little in the way of avoiding rapid outright extermination (whites are being exterminated relatively slowly at this time) via legal means. Even if the Left/Non-whites “lost” a civil war, the non-white homelands across the globe would likely remain undamaged. The Left/Non-whites would have little to lose and much to gain and the whites (especially non-totalitarian/non-autogenocidal whites) would have everything to lose with or without an all-out war. This has been an awkwardly worded argument by moi that a civil war might quickly follow a victory by Democrats in 2020. Democrats might be unwilling or unable to stop themselves going for total victory (in contrast to opting for “moderation” or any kind of a pragmatic “pullback” or “lull”). Victory of one side or another in the 48 contiguous states seems IMHO more likely than a lasting split-up.

  79. @Anonymous

    I’d simplify it even further as “Prestige Racism”.

    And perhaps “Monopoly on the legitimate use of racism” to play off the old term for police power.

  80. @Thomm

    William F. Sailer Jr. is someone who stands athwart history, yelling Decelerate.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  81. 216 says: • Website
    @dfordoom

    The question isn’t so much what Boris wants, as to what the Cabinet wants. Boris has been open about wanting an amnesty, and actually calling it that (which not even US Dems will do). But the current Cabinet didn’t push it.

    The previous Cabinet pushed back on the stated pledges to reduce immigration under Cameron, and it helped that Cameron was in coalition with the pro-invasion LibDems. There was chatter that Cameron wanted a second coalition in 2015, so as to dodge responsibility. When he got that narrow majority, he was suddenly vulnerable to rogue backbenchers.

    So the size of the majority matters. Boris with a majority of 10 will behave much differently than Boris with a majority of 70.

    As bad as Boris is, Labour has said they will grant “freedom of movement” to basically anyone that shows up.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  82. 216 says: • Website
    @guest

    The CIA played a part in creating neocons. Much of the “Anti-Communist” left in Europe was literally on their payroll. American neocons sat on the same “academic journal” editorial boards.

    https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/CIAcultCW.html

    Notably, the CIA was also behind the creation of second-wave feminism, in cooperation with Rockefeller and Carnegie foundations. Gloria Steinem was CIA.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @dfordoom
  83. @Hapalong Cassidy

    There are more than a few “accelerationists” hanging out around here, albeit nowhere near as extreme as the Vox article makes it sound. When I posted that Kamala Harris would be far more destructive as president than Elizabeth Warren, at least two people responded they hoped Harris won because it would wake up more white people.

    OK Boomer. Explain to me how exactly it is better for whites to become a minority in 2065 rather than in 2042? Is it, by chance, that all the Boomers will be gone by 2065 and thus, as always, avoiding the inevitable consequences of their insipid narcissism and status signaling?

    Those of us (not Boomers) who actually care more for our kids than we do for ourselves, we tend to despise the cucks standing athwart history shouting “Slow Down a Little Bit” even more than we despise the obvious enemies calling for our dispossession and extermination outright.

    One should always be forced to face the consequences of his behavior, never permitted to shunt it off onto his posterity.

    • Agree: Jack Henson
  84. nebulafox says:
    @dfordoom

    I think that’s not necessarily inaccurate, but the importance of free-market politics within the American hard-right is an increasingly outdated perception. American politics are becoming more European as secularization and multiculturalism takes off.

    Within the hard-right (alt-right, whatever you want to call it), I’ve noticed the younger generation has very little time for eulogizing the free-market, as well as to some extent, Christianity, or at least the aspects of it that the GOP chooses to orient itself around. (I.e, they don’t care about abortion.) ZMan’s blog corroborates this trend: at a recent AIM meetup, Jared Taylor was hotly defending global capitalism and corporations, asserting that they were one of the worst enemies to pick. The younger dudes were respectful enough to not argue with him, but they clearly weren’t buying it. Taylor grew up in 1970s Japan, he saw the positive aspects of marketism at work. These guys were far more familiar with the negatives.

    I’m willing to take a bet that this is going to apply to the right-wing more generally, which is what really matters in the end. The formative experiences with Conservatism Inc. for my generation have been far too negative for it to have a long-term future. People who know they are almost certainly going to be worse off than their parents in every metric are just not going to sign up for free-market fundamentalism, no matter how you dress it up. At a minimum, it is going to have to shift into a discussion of how to get the market to work for ordinary people rather than defending it in pseudo-religious terms: and that’s if the GOP shifts right now, which it is showing no signs of doing. As far as the religious aspect of things go, the US lacks the visibly unassimilated and rapidly growing Muslim minority that you see in Europe, meaning that the temptation (not limited to people who’d identify as right-wing, hardcore atheist/scientist types have woken up to the threat that a growing umma within Europe poses to them) to use Christian symbolism, if not belief, as a defensive symbol of native identity is going to be absent.

    This, the Left gets right. What they get wrong is thinking this alone translates into a permanent Democratic majority. The Democrats are increasingly becoming the party of the smiley face of woke multinational corporations, leaving open a vacuum to be occupied. By the laws of political physics, the GOP is either going to change as the BoomerCons die off, or it’ll fall apart and be replaced by something different. Had Trump not come along, this would be more obvious than it is, but the reality underneath hasn’t changed, since Trump has largely governed as a neo-Bush with somewhat more nativist tendencies.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  85. bjondo says:

    Elect only Amish and Luddites.
    For corp CEOS, stones or stumps.
    All research depts shut.

    Any “genius” with an idea
    for something “better”
    gets the newest in vaccines.

    5ds

  86. bjondo says:
    @216

    Neocon = shifting sand.
    Just Jew for Israel.
    Will use whatever umbrella, mask needed.

    Possibly, Steinem’s role was saboteur?

    https://www.greanvillepost.com/2017/10/01/did-the-cia-use-gloria-steinem-to-subvert-the-feminist-movement/

    5ds

  87. Thomm says:
    @reactionry

    William F. Sailer Jr. is someone who stands athwart history, yelling Decelerate.

    Straddling the dustbin of history, rather.

    • Agree: reactionry
  88. dfordoom says: • Website
    @ben tillman

    But if it slows down, we have more time to disable the driver.

    True, but conservatives don’t want to do that. They don’t care how fast the bus is travelling or whether the cliff is approaching, as long as they can get tax cuts for the rich.

    Alt-righters want to kill the driver and drive the bus themselves, but they don’t know how to drive. They don’t care if the bus crashes off the cliff because they’ll blame the Jews for it. Or the blacks. As long as the bus crash gives them someone to hate they’ll be happy.

    • Replies: @Jack Henson
  89. dfordoom says: • Website
    @216

    So the size of the majority matters. Boris with a majority of 10 will behave much differently than Boris with a majority of 70.

    Boris with a majority of 70 would be a bigger catastrophe than Boris with a majority of 10.

    The best outcome would be a Labour minority government. And a second referendum which will hopefully put an end to Brexit. As a bonus, it would be the end of Boris and the end of Farage.

  90. @PhysicistDave

    The direction we have been moving in is to disempower and defraud the productive people of society in order to enrich and empower a ruling elite whose daily activities consist of bossing around (and despising) their fellow citizens.

    Kudos, Phys Dave. This is maybe the best one sentence summary of what’s happened during my life/where we’re at. Thanks.

  91. @obwandiyag

    And anyhow, there is a big difference between natural “change,” the changing of the seasons, the graying of the hair, the decay and dissipation of sound waves, and monstrous, destructive, deliberate, unwanted, unnecessary change foisted on the general public by elites and their excuse-bearing minions.

    Well said Obwandiyag.

  92. dfordoom says: • Website
    @216

    Notably, the CIA was also behind the creation of second-wave feminism, in cooperation with Rockefeller and Carnegie foundations. Gloria Steinem was CIA.

    Unlike most conspiracy theories the idea that the CIA was behind most of the crazy political stuff of the 60s and 70s (like feminism and Gay Liberation) is extremely plausible.

    The objective of course would have been to destroy the Left. And they succeeded. By the end of the 70s the Left had been eliminated as a significant factor in US politics. It had been replaced by the pro-capitalist fake Left which is still with us t0day, and still pushing anti-leftist agendas like mass immigration and LGBT lunacy.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  93. dfordoom says: • Website
    @nebulafox

    People who know they are almost certainly going to be worse off than their parents in every metric are just not going to sign up for free-market fundamentalism, no matter how you dress it up.

    In fact those people are not going to go for any right-wing ideology and certainly they’re not going to go for any kind of conservatism. They’ll either eventually become Bernie Sanders-style moderate socialists (I’m talking here about the pre-Woke Bernie) or they’ll drift towards an anti-Woke hard socialist position. Or they’ll drift towards Mussolini-style fascism (remember that Mussolini always considered himself to be a socialist).

    The Right has no real future. It’s only supported by a section of the plutocracy and by ageing Boomers. The GOP has no future at all.

    The most likely future is either socialism or some variety of leftist statist fascism. The latter is more likely because it would get support from much of the plutocracy. Eventually an authoritarian socialist or fascist government will crush the identity politics Social Justice nonsense.

    Conservatism, libertarianism, the GOP and democracy are Boomer concepts. They appeal to people like Pat Buchanan who still think Nixon is going to make a comeback. The alt-right is simply irrelevant.

  94. @dfordoom

    I’m sorry child drag queens happened under the watch of the very respectable boomers who, yet again, refuse to take responsibility for anything that happens.

    I can’t imagine the alt right could do a worst job than the current on going horror show, even if everything goes to nomadic khanate for a few generations.

  95. Amazing how many people here who were posting during the James Younget fiasco suddenly decide the system is worth defending as long as their cummies keep on rolling in.

  96. @dfordoom

    By the end of the 70s the Left had been eliminated as a significant factor in US politics.

    Yet the Left is now utterly dominant. The notion that the Left and capitalism are in any way in conflict ignores the fact that the goal of the Left is to centralize wealth and power, which capitalism is quite capable of doing.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  97. @Rahan

    “Acceleration” and “deceleration” are relative to a direction. Does society only move to the left or can it also move to the right? The plan of moving further left, whether rapidly or slowly, does not appeal to me nor would it appeal to anyone I would call a ‘conservative.’ We need to move rapidly rightward toward personal liberty, Christian hegemony, and Anglo-Saxon culture.

  98. @ben tillman

    You didn’t even read what he said, imbecile.

    You are so clueless you are not even wrong. You’re just a typist of gibberish.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  99. @obwandiyag

    Well, that was certainly stupid — in three dimensions.

    I did read what he said.

    I have an IQ of 165.

    And my statement is inarguably correct.

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