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With the MSM suddenly in a coordinated convulsion this afternoon over shocking charges that Donald Trump has, at various points in his 70 years, made advances upon women, some of which proved unwanted, here’s what I wrote in December 1992 in response to the Bill and Hillary Clinton leveraging the 1991 Anita Hill brouhaha and subsequent Year of the Woman into the White House:

Steve Sailer
December 3, 1992

A specter is haunting the Clinton Presidency, one that the President-Elect needs to defuse immediately.

The move to drive liberal, pro-feminist Republican Senator Robert Packwood from office as retribution for his quarter century of goatish solicitations of female employees and lobbyists would appear to only solidify the Democratic domination of Washington, but a precedent is being established that could eventually shake the Democratic establishment. Many Democrats luminaries are in danger, not because they are Packwood-style mashers, but because the definition of sexual harassment being wielded against Packwood — “making unwanted sexual advances toward those working for him or with him” — is so broad that a substantial fraction of all men would be implicated, assuming the office Christmas parties I’ve attended are representative.

Now, most Americans’ attitude toward sexual harassment is that they know it when they see it. Everybody would include the quid pro quo, “Sleep with me or lose your job,” whether spoken or unspoken. Many would target physical advances, especially Packwood’s pawing, slobbering, chase ‘em around the desk style reminiscent of a ’50s sex comedy’s Dirty Old Boss. Many Americans would also be hard on adulterous advances, although journalists have been reticent on this aspect of Packwood’s delinquencies.

Yet none of these characteristics are necessary under the modern strict constructionist formulation of the crime. For example, Anita Hill never alledged any quid pro quo, physical contact, or adulterous intent.

Further, most Americans would probably censure the industrial scale lecher. Some might distinguish between sexual and romantic advances, although others might find that naive, requiring Godlike insight into the human soul. A more workable distinction might be between flirtation and indecent proposals, although once again the line would be hard to draw. Likewise, some would castigate boorish, Marlon Brandoish advances, but exempt debonair Cary Grantish passes. Others might find this distinction a matter of taste. Many would single out recurrent advances, although others would have a hard time distinguishing between the chronic harasser and the lovelorn swain. Yet, none of these exacerbating factors, subjective as they are, are required under the fundamentalist proscription. A further oddity is that no advance no matter how obnoxious is prohibited as long as it ultimately turns out to be wanted.

The word in the orthodox description that expecially troubles Americans (and baffles Europeans) is “unwanted.” Logically speaking, we could, like the Khmer Rouge in the Year Zero, try to abolish all sexual advances, unwanted and wanted. Given enough secret policemen, it might almost be doable. But to try to eliminate just the advances that turn out to be “unwanted” while preserving the “wanted” ones, requires not just a police state but a time machine. (Possibly, some of the formulators understood this, and simply intended to discourage all male advances. For example, the pioneering theorist, Professor Catharine MacKinnon, has avowed that she thinks all heterosexual intercourse is either rape or prostitution.)

Trust me, few guys like getting rejected. It’s just that no advance is wanted or unwanted until it’s made. Unwanted sexual advances are the price we all pay for the survival of the species. Maybe I’m just biased; see, my all time personal favorite office sexual advance was the one my Dad made my Mom in 1946. Still, I suspect that women today are probably more dependent on meeting men at work than in 1946, and thus are even less interested in outlawing wanted advances

Surveys report that a large minority of American women say they have been sexually harassed. What these confirm is that the majority of women don’t take the fundamentalist definition seriously, otherwise the surveys would find not 30% or 40% agreement, but virtually 100% . What self respecting woman would admit that no man had ever made an unwanted sexual advance toward her? She’d be admitting either that no man’s ever made her a sexual advance or that she’s never met a sexual advance she didn’t like.

Unfortunately for the honchos of the Democratic party, the truest believers in the nefariousness of unwanted sexual advances are politicized liberal career women in the media, the law, academia, government work, and politics; in other words, exactly those women toward whom so many liberal politicians have made so many on-the-job passes, wanted and unwanted, over the decades. Democrats have made much political hay out of sexual harassment since Anita Hill, but the old boys are about to be hoisted by their own petard.

Senator Kennedy, of course, has dug himself into a hole so deep over the years that there is almost a Falstaffian grandeur to his predicament. A far more intriguing potential target, though, is Bill Clinton.

I know of no evidence whatsoever that Clinton has ever made “unwanted sexual advances to women who worked for him or with him.” Yet, if I were an investigative reporter wishing to make a name for myself as the Woodward/Bernstein of the 90′s, I’d be highly intrigued by these facts: Governor Clinton has for many years presided over thousands of female state employees. By his own testimony, he has not always paid strict attention to his marriage vows. Finally, he is widely reputed to be a man like any other man, only more so.

On the other hand, Mr. Clinton is younger and more Kennedyesque than the hapless Mr. Packwood, so a higher proportion of any propositions he might have made would have ultimately proven to be “wanted,” thus letting him off the hook, according to the fascinating logic of current harassment theory. Yet, not even Warren Beatty has a career batting average of 1.000. So, all in all, it seems likely that some enterprising reporter is going to think it worth his while to go Pulitzer hunting among the secretarial pools and law offices of Little Rock. I’m sure they’ve been raked over before by journalists, but they were looking for the wrong kind of woman. Far more scandalous in today’s environment would be the story of the woman who didn’t commit adultery with Bill Clinton.

Most likely, the reporter won’t find anybody who’ll say anything. Quite possibly, there is nothing to be said. But if there is, at any moment over the next four years a vast brouhaha may erupt. While initially amusing to contemplate, the thought of a Watergate-like paralysis of the executive branch, followed by an Al Gore Presidency and a retributive Democratic attack on every Republican who has ever winked at a pretty girl, is not.

If Mr. Clinton has any secret worries on this score, he should act now. A vague confession and apology would cause a short flurry of tsk-tsking, but the ultimate loser would not be the President but the expansive definition of sexual harassment. The fundamental political flaw with thedemonization of “unwanted sexual advances toward someone who works for or with you” is that, if the office Christmas parties I’ve attended are representative, scores of millions of American men are guilty of this heinous offense (as are millions of American women).

As a parallel, consider how the short-lived marijuana witch hunt of 1987 was declawed. When Judge Douglas Ginsburg’s nomination to the Supreme Court was deep-sixed by his admitting to having smoked the demon weed, it briefly seemed likely that by the logic of the scandal much of an entire generation would be permanently disqualified from high office. Fortunately, due to the immediate ‘fessing-up of younger Presidential candidates like Al Gore and Bruce Babbitt, this potential inquisition sputtered out. Of course, it flared up again farcically in 1992 when Governor Bill confessed that he had toked, but never inhaled.

Which is another reason why I’d like to see Mr. Clinton address the subject of any past indiscretions: not only would it be good for the country, but judging from his previous equivocations, we can expect another doozy.

I couldn’t find anybody to publish this in 1992.

Of course, this turned out to be a pretty good prediction of the Paula Jones scandal of Gov. Clinton exposing himself to a state employee, for which Clinton was eventually disbarred and had to pay her $850,000. But who can remember such a thing?

The hilarious shamelessness of the latest Clinton campaign is the subject of my new column in Taki’s Magazine, “Sexual Politics.”

 
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  1. Monica says:

    Bill Clinton is a distinguished character. And he makes mean spinach dip! :-P

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    Save some of that spinach dip for the paternity test Danney Williams needs.
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  2. BenKenobi says:

    Step 1 to avoid sexual harassment complaints: be attractive.

    Step 2: don’t be unattractive.

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    Step 3: be hung like a horse.
    , @Anonymous
    Saturday Night Live made a helpful PSA about this concept:

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/sexual-harassment/2751966
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  3. The story being told by the 74 year old woman (so she would have been 38 and 4 years older than Trump — who always seems to go for distinctly younger women?) sounds like a crock on its face.

    To begin with, there’s the little problem that she seems not to have mentioned this to anyone until Trump ran for the Presidency.

    The mauling at the hands of Trump supposedly took place in a commercial airplane. He supposedly put his hands on her breasts, and put his hand under her skirt.

    But, the thing is, she didn’t bring any of this to the attention of the airline staff. Moreover, one infers, no one — neither the stewardesses nor the other passengers — seems to have seen it. And, one also infers, she seems not to have raised any kind of audible fuss over it, because, again, it would seem neither other passengers nor the staff came to her aid.

    Were these obvious issues in any way pressed before the Times went ahead with story? Of course not.

    And this crock gets a major, major story in the NY Times.

    I gather Trump has threatened them with a lawsuit. I hope he goes ahead with it.

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    list of prominent republicans who oppose Trump
     
    Yes, well, we will remember them as we remember Benedict Arnold.
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  5. The rest of us Americans, however, find it depressing that we’re getting less and less able to afford golf, a sport that requires enormous tracts of manicured real estate. It’s discouraging to think that golf was once the sport of average American dads. So we tell ourselves that golf is boring and that we find 200-acre golf courses much less appealing than our treadmills and yoga mats.

    This made me very sad.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It is sad.

    People put a good face on sad things, like young people not being able to afford cars anymore, by saying cars are uncool and it's healthier to walk and the suburbs are boring, etc. But a lower standard of living is sad.

    , @27 year old
    Disc golf is becoming much more popular
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  6. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Were you working as a professional journalist in ’92? Or were you still in your corporate career?

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    Corporate career. I'd started writing newspaper op-eds as a hobby around late 1990. I didn't have any strong magazine connections yet.
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    @BenKenobi
    Step 1 to avoid sexual harassment complaints: be attractive.

    Step 2: don't be unattractive.

    Step 3: be hung like a horse.

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  8. Dr. X says:

    I couldn’t find anybody to publish this in 1992.

    Prophets are never recognized as such at the time of their prophecy.

    It is only after the fact, in hindsight, and long after the prophet has been run out of town on a rail do the people see that he was, after all, correct.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    Considering that the media is an arm of the so-called Democrats, as revealed by wikileaks, are you really surprised that didn't get published?

    Of course, you also predicted Monica Lewinsky, who was a willing participant.
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  9. WhatEvvs says:

    I had totally forgotten about Bob Packwood. It’s fun to read stuff from back in the day.

    “On the other hand, Mr. Clinton is younger and more Kennedyesque than the hapless Mr. Packwood, so a higher proportion of any propositions he might have made would have ultimately proven to be “wanted,”

    Since your article was written in 1992, we all thought that he had only had the consensual relationship w/Gennifer Flowers, and that was it. Since then we’ve learned he did a bunch of horndog/rapey things that were never considered acceptable. Ever.

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    I was calling on Walmart in Bentonville, Arkansas in late 1991-first half of 1992 so people with Arkansas connections were telling me about what everybody in Arkansas knew but the national media was keeping covered up.
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  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Multiple women say Donald Trump made inappropriate sexual advances on them”

    http://www.businessinsider.com/two-women-new-york-times-donald-trump-2016-10

    Three women accused Donald Trump of making unwanted sexual advances on them in reports published Wednesday, just days after a salacious leaked tape showed Trump bragging in 2005 about groping women under his celebrity status.

    The allegations, made by Jessica Leeds and Rachel Crooks in The New York Times and Mindy McGillivray in The Palm Beach Post, came after Trump denied ever making unwanted advances when asked during Sunday’s presidential debate.

    Leeds told The Times she was on a plane next to Trump, who she had not yet met, in the early 1980s when the real-estate tycoon lifted her armrest and began touching her. She alleged that he grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt.

    “He was like an octopus,” she told The Times. “His hands were everywhere. … It was an assault.”

    Leeds said she fled to the back of the plane, but never made a formal complaint. Instead she spoke with four individuals who The Times also interviewed to corroborate the claims.

    The second woman, Crooks, said her incident occurred in 2005 — the same year as the damning leaked “Access Hollywood” tape was recorded.

    Crooks, 22 at the time, said Trump began kissing her on the mouth after holding on to an extended handshake.

    “It was so inappropriate,” she told The Times. “I was so upset that he thought I was so insignificant that he could do that.”

    McGillivray alleged to the Palm Beach Post that Trump grabbed her rear in 2003.

    All three women had not previously come forward with their stories, but did so after Trump said in Sunday night’s presidential debate that his words from the 2005 leaked tape were “just words” and “locker room talk.”

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    One of the woman, Mindy McGillivray, has some issues.

    https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU7/status/786377344558563330

    We'll see where the story goes. Last hit job NYTimes did on Trump turned out to be completely bogus, made up by same writer who wrote the current piece.
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  11. Damn. You are very good at this. No, you are preternatural at this. I salute you.

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    Now all we need are some lottery numbers...
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    24 years ago, and Steve was knocking them out of the park.
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  12. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “More questionable footage of Trump’s comments on women”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-unearthed-footage-trump-says-of-10-year-old-i-am-going-to-be-dating-her-in-10-years/

    As Republican nominee Donald Trump’s campaign still works to move past a recently released 2005 tape of his lewd remarks about women, more and more footage of similar comments made by Trump is surfacing.

    In an “Entertainment Tonight” Christmas feature in 1992, Trump looked at a group of young girls and said he would be dating one of them in ten years. At the time, Trump would have been 46 years old.

    The video, released Wednesday evening, was shot at Trump Tower.

    In the clip, Trump asks one of the girls if she’s “going up the escalator.” When the girl replies, “yeah,” Trump turns to the camera and says: “I am going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?”

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    In the clip, Trump asks one of the girls if she’s “going up the escalator.” When the girl replies, “yeah,” Trump turns to the camera and says: “I am going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?”

    So, unlike some in Hollywood and Congress, Trump isn't a pedophile. What's wrong with him waiting ten years to date the girl?
    , @Anonymous
    I see the Clinton 50-cent boy trolls are out in full force tonight.
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  13. It’s nonsense. Trump just isn’t as “alpha” as he appears. Y’ll saw the tape, where Billy had to take the initiative for the hug.

    But Donald brags like a fiend. Why don’t y’all realize that all this about how he’s going to make America great is just locker room talk? [For the record, even as an adolescent, I never made false sexual claims, nor do I think my friends did.]

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    I tend to agree. In the video of him getting off the bus with Billy Bush, he looks distinctly awkward and appears embarrassed by Bush's compliments. He is not naturally good with people as, for example, Bill Clinton is.

    It's instructive to look at the circumstances of these women's complaints. In the airplane incident, the woman specifically mentions she had not been introduced to Trump yet. I suspect most women who fall for Trump are attracted to the billionaire media personality status, not his personal magnetism. Do women reading this intuitively sympathize with a women being groped by a stranger rather than being groped by a billionaire?

    The other two incidents--a kiss during a too-long handshake and a butt grab--are interpersonally awkward situations. For all the old B&W movie scenes of women struggling against and then succumbing to a kiss, I never saw one that started with an unreleased handshake.

    Trump's inability to capitalize on the issues to Hillary's detriment makes me thing he is not really invested in nor has thought much about them. However, I don't think that means it's all talk. If elected, he's got to do something. Why not build a wall? Anyhow, even he didn't build a wall, he wouldn't be go all SJW, just spend his time on personal grievances against the GOPe, which would be fine too.

    Recently, I've been feeling sorry for Giuliani. After Trump loses, he'll be cast into the outer darkness as well.
    , @Anonym
    Trump is alpha. Just look at his wives and girlfriends. If a 10 is 9.5+, Trump's WAGs have been up in the 9.9+ area.

    Except Marla Maples (IMO). I am not sure what he was thinking there except to use Trump's line, that's why restaurants have menus.
    , @SFG
    Trump is only interested in Trump. However, populists and nationalists--blue-collar white men--will have gotten him elected. That's very different from the coalition that will have elected Hillary.
    , @Difference Maker
    So Donald isn't particularly touchy feely. That's ok. Stiff upper lip and all that. Billy is warm, but trust me, girls will be plenty hot for the cold guy just fine.

    Just as you should trust me that his bragging is realistic. I totally believe him, and that he is completely sincere about making America great again. Think on that
    , @WhatEvvs
    Did you read the entire transcript? He said, "I failed. I admit it."
    , @Abe

    [For the record, even as an adolescent, I never made false sexual claims, nor do I think my friends did.]
     
    So I take it your "friends" were the guy with the runway model girlfriend (never met her because she was Canadian) and this other guy with the 12" penis (never went swimming with him because it was against his religion)?
    , @Opinionator
    Trump wasn't bragging.
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  14. @Anonymous
    Were you working as a professional journalist in '92? Or were you still in your corporate career?

    Corporate career. I’d started writing newspaper op-eds as a hobby around late 1990. I didn’t have any strong magazine connections yet.

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  15. This piece has me envisioning the 1990s the way we see a show from the 50s like Leave It to Beaver. “He thought the media might be interested in finding dirt on Bill Clinton! How quaint!” “Wow, people were so naive back then… they thought discovery of a history of sexual harassment or even rape might harm a Democrat’s career!”

    I’d always thought Bill’s sleaziness was well known by the ’92 campaign.

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    Yeah, given Steve's sponsorship of the "Who, Whom" conceptual-framework/decoder-ring and his affection for Ockham's Razor, it is surprising he missed the obvious reason that Republicans Packwood and Thomas are automatically guilty while Democrats Clinton and Kennedy are automatically innocent, no matter that Anita Hill wasn't by any definition sexually harassed while Kennedy killed one of his victims.
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  16. @FactsAreImportant

    The rest of us Americans, however, find it depressing that we’re getting less and less able to afford golf, a sport that requires enormous tracts of manicured real estate. It’s discouraging to think that golf was once the sport of average American dads. So we tell ourselves that golf is boring and that we find 200-acre golf courses much less appealing than our treadmills and yoga mats.
     
    This made me very sad.

    It is sad.

    People put a good face on sad things, like young people not being able to afford cars anymore, by saying cars are uncool and it’s healthier to walk and the suburbs are boring, etc. But a lower standard of living is sad.

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    Right, and there are lots of examples of this. Like trailer homes being portrayed as cool "tiny homes".
    , @5371
    We have smartphones, and that's all we need, dontcha know.
    , @rod1963
    I don't know if it's people putting a happy face on impoverishment or simply the MSM/Madison Avenue types simply reframing(to use a NLP term) people's decreasing standard of living. Most simply won't talk to strangers about their economic predicament.

    And the only people I see pushing the narrative of downsizing is cool are a bunch of smirking millionaires on TV who tend to work for groups that benefit from the current impoverishing of Americans.

    That said, if you're at the bottom you don't think a mobile home or 60 year old 800 sq ft. house as the end goal in life as desirable.

    It's the same how MSM is selling people those tiny self-propelled coffins they call sub-compacts. And worse they cost a lot. Gimme a ex-police cruiser or fleet rental any day I can pick up for a couple of grand or a car with a salvaged title. Not stylish or cool but you got something that doesn't put you into serious debt. But you'll never see the MSM pushing options like these. No they promote the most expensive and limiting options for the masses.
    , @Olorin
    I never forgot the second comment here.

    http://unhappyhipsters.com/post/8337430387/surprising-that-the-otherwise-dour-and-drab
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  17. @WhatEvvs
    I had totally forgotten about Bob Packwood. It's fun to read stuff from back in the day.

    "On the other hand, Mr. Clinton is younger and more Kennedyesque than the hapless Mr. Packwood, so a higher proportion of any propositions he might have made would have ultimately proven to be “wanted,"

    Since your article was written in 1992, we all thought that he had only had the consensual relationship w/Gennifer Flowers, and that was it. Since then we've learned he did a bunch of horndog/rapey things that were never considered acceptable. Ever.

    I was calling on Walmart in Bentonville, Arkansas in late 1991-first half of 1992 so people with Arkansas connections were telling me about what everybody in Arkansas knew but the national media was keeping covered up.

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    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    I may be wrong about this - but I don't think I am - but Kaus was calling it on Edwards before the National Enquirer did their pioneering report on the Hunter affair. He made himself very unpopular with that and never quite made it back to the Cathedral.

    I just don't see how, in this day and age, Bill Clinton can function as First Dude or whatever he's going to be, if Hill is elected. The truth really has come out despite the best efforts of the hive to keep it bottled up.
    , @AKAHorace
    You got it about Clinton totally before everyone else did. And more importantly, you predicted that the definition of sexual harassment would become vaguer and vaguer.


    It is a window into a forgotten time in which a left and right winger could agree on the definition of rape.
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  18. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    It is sad.

    People put a good face on sad things, like young people not being able to afford cars anymore, by saying cars are uncool and it's healthier to walk and the suburbs are boring, etc. But a lower standard of living is sad.

    Right, and there are lots of examples of this. Like trailer homes being portrayed as cool “tiny homes”.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, the tiny home fad is particularly sad.

    But I'm happy that people can talk themselves into seeing their declining living standards as the cool choice they're making that proves how trendy and awesome they are. In 1982 I felt pretty with-it driving around in my Datsun DeathTrap subcompact rather than one of those huge land yachts like Americans drove before the Energy Crisis.

    , @WhatEvvs
    Well OK, but living like a Japanese person doesn't strike me as the worst of all possible worlds.
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    @Dr. X

    I couldn’t find anybody to publish this in 1992.
     
    Prophets are never recognized as such at the time of their prophecy.

    It is only after the fact, in hindsight, and long after the prophet has been run out of town on a rail do the people see that he was, after all, correct.

    Considering that the media is an arm of the so-called Democrats, as revealed by wikileaks, are you really surprised that didn’t get published?

    Of course, you also predicted Monica Lewinsky, who was a willing participant.

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  20. Terrific writing, Steve.

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  21. @Stephen R. Diamond
    It's nonsense. Trump just isn't as "alpha" as he appears. Y'll saw the tape, where Billy had to take the initiative for the hug.

    But Donald brags like a fiend. Why don't y'all realize that all this about how he's going to make America great is just locker room talk? [For the record, even as an adolescent, I never made false sexual claims, nor do I think my friends did.]

    I tend to agree. In the video of him getting off the bus with Billy Bush, he looks distinctly awkward and appears embarrassed by Bush’s compliments. He is not naturally good with people as, for example, Bill Clinton is.

    It’s instructive to look at the circumstances of these women’s complaints. In the airplane incident, the woman specifically mentions she had not been introduced to Trump yet. I suspect most women who fall for Trump are attracted to the billionaire media personality status, not his personal magnetism. Do women reading this intuitively sympathize with a women being groped by a stranger rather than being groped by a billionaire?

    The other two incidents–a kiss during a too-long handshake and a butt grab–are interpersonally awkward situations. For all the old B&W movie scenes of women struggling against and then succumbing to a kiss, I never saw one that started with an unreleased handshake.

    Trump’s inability to capitalize on the issues to Hillary’s detriment makes me thing he is not really invested in nor has thought much about them. However, I don’t think that means it’s all talk. If elected, he’s got to do something. Why not build a wall? Anyhow, even he didn’t build a wall, he wouldn’t be go all SJW, just spend his time on personal grievances against the GOPe, which would be fine too.

    Recently, I’ve been feeling sorry for Giuliani. After Trump loses, he’ll be cast into the outer darkness as well.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    Eh, he'll always have a place in the hearts of center-to-right New Yorkers of a certain age.
    , @Difference Maker
    Being cold and aloof doesn't mean that he is shy and uncomfortable. I wouldn't have hugged her either. These women are only coming out now because frankly it was their one shot at fame.

    The other two incidents–a kiss during a too-long handshake and a butt grab–are interpersonally awkward situations. For all the old B&W movie scenes of women struggling against and then succumbing to a kiss, I never saw one that started with an unreleased handshake.
     
    Well see, that leads me to believe that you have never had the opportunity before.

    Recently, I’ve been feeling sorry for Giuliani. After Trump loses, he’ll be cast into the outer darkness as well."
     
    A brave man may fall, but he cannot yield. Can you be relied upon for anything?

    What is instructive, is that you seem to have to rely on fiction to figure out your social mores

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  22. What is the point of obtaining wealth and power if you can’t convert it into sex? The Roman emperors knew a thing or two, and so did Mick Jagger, and Rupert Murdoch. Come to think of it they married the same woman, though not at the same time.

    If I was President of the US, I would have a harem of bisexual nymphet interns available for my diversion at all times, and get a supply of hunky Secret Service agents for my wife.

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    This is basically what the Clintons have done, I think. They're an effective political couple--heck, they may both get to be president!--and Bill gets his interns, and Hill gets Huma. Sure, I have no proof, but it's fun to think about.

    If we're talking naughty power fantasies, I'd settle for one subby nerd girl, but then I'd probably never get anywhere near the White House. If I didn't need money, I'd probably go write for Breitbart or something--it's about as far right as a Mischling can go. I have some liberal views, but the conservative guys seem like more fun--you're not constantly checking every last word with the Sensitivity Brigade.
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  23. In 1992, I don’t think the concept of “cultural appropriation” had been articulated. Which segways me to my OT question: what is the word for attempting to change the tenants of a religion or culture to which you don’t belong? Religous or Cultural subjugation? Seems like we need a word for the “Catholic Spring” plot.

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    While no word may have existed, Vanilla Ice stood as avatar.
    , @SFG
    Entryism? But that presupposes planning to join.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    Seems like we need a word for the “Catholic Spring” plot.
     
    It's called Vatican II. Podesta was woefully behind the times on this one, revealing the Left's general ignorance about everything.
    , @Lugash
    Infiltration. Subversion.

    Riffing off of Broski... Vanilla Ice->Rob Van Winkle->Van Winkle-ism? Falling asleep at the switch for a bit, then waking up an not realizing the world has changed around you.
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  24. @Anonymous
    Right, and there are lots of examples of this. Like trailer homes being portrayed as cool "tiny homes".

    Yeah, the tiny home fad is particularly sad.

    But I’m happy that people can talk themselves into seeing their declining living standards as the cool choice they’re making that proves how trendy and awesome they are. In 1982 I felt pretty with-it driving around in my Datsun DeathTrap subcompact rather than one of those huge land yachts like Americans drove before the Energy Crisis.

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    LOL--well said again. One of the nice things about being an ex-Manhattanite is having very low standards for space. One-bedrooms feel spacious.

    You could even argue the Internet became as popular as it has because the real world is getting so crowded and noisy. I mean, 'they promised us flying cars and we got 140 characters' has a real poignancy to it, but the truth is we've realized all that stuff won't work in real life. It's early afternoon in America. It's still very light out, but the sun's moved in the sky.

    , @PiltdownMan
    They used to call that "keeping up appearances" or genteel poverty. Charles Dickens was pretty good at delineating it.

    Now, many people are in the same boat and so there is no term for it. And when one can't label it, one just suffers in silence.

    My nieces and nephews have what are considered good mainstream professional jobs, as it happens, all in the finance industry and are in their late twenties. Unlike when I was their age in the 1980s, none of them can possibly save enough money to buy a middle-class suburban home for many years to come, if at all; at least not in the kinds of neighborhoods their parents lived in with similar jobs. It may be that their parents will have to come up with the substantial down payment necessary-no one has gone there yet but the thought looms, unspoken in family discourse.

    I expect that our familial arrangements will try to revert to those of a sort common in the rural economies of third-world nations. Multi-generational families living under one roof, with pooled resources. This has already started happening with single twenty-somethings living with their parents. The only reason it hasn't happened yet to a greater extent is that job opportunities are far flung, which works against extended families living together, splitting them up.

    Looking back, I recall that there used to be a lot of criticism of Japan for its protectionist trade policies and its impenetrable labor arrangements but they were onto something important. Increasing GDP doesn't mean a thing without job stability around which people can build their lives.Trump and Sanders have come to the issue late—we should have figured this out in the Reagan era, when buyouts and restructurings took flight, and started eroding the notion of stable jobs.
    , @Anonymous
    This also fits in with your point about how some of the "hi-tech" "new economy" is just a reversion to the pre-modern economy of things like taking in boarders.
    , @Abe
    Don't mean to be the poor little rich boy here, but had to forego buying a beach house this year because the rational side of me could see that the rental income short-fall (after taking into account property management fees and repairs) would be too big a drain on our family budget. As America surges toward 600 million toilet paper buyers, though, any sort of home next to water (which thousands of only modestly middle class people in upper NY, Minnesota, Michigan, have been able to afford till now) will become a luxury suitable for only the rich.
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  25. Broski says:

    So, where is Trump’s October surprise? Was it the press conference with the accusers? It’s getting a little late in the game and things are not going well. Keeping in mind there’s apparently the N-word tape out there still, which we will hear if the race is close.

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  26. Anonym says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond
    It's nonsense. Trump just isn't as "alpha" as he appears. Y'll saw the tape, where Billy had to take the initiative for the hug.

    But Donald brags like a fiend. Why don't y'all realize that all this about how he's going to make America great is just locker room talk? [For the record, even as an adolescent, I never made false sexual claims, nor do I think my friends did.]

    Trump is alpha. Just look at his wives and girlfriends. If a 10 is 9.5+, Trump’s WAGs have been up in the 9.9+ area.

    Except Marla Maples (IMO). I am not sure what he was thinking there except to use Trump’s line, that’s why restaurants have menus.

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  27. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @BenKenobi
    Step 1 to avoid sexual harassment complaints: be attractive.

    Step 2: don't be unattractive.

    Saturday Night Live made a helpful PSA about this concept:

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/sexual-harassment/2751966

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  28. SFG says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    What is the point of obtaining wealth and power if you can't convert it into sex? The Roman emperors knew a thing or two, and so did Mick Jagger, and Rupert Murdoch. Come to think of it they married the same woman, though not at the same time.

    If I was President of the US, I would have a harem of bisexual nymphet interns available for my diversion at all times, and get a supply of hunky Secret Service agents for my wife.

    This is basically what the Clintons have done, I think. They’re an effective political couple–heck, they may both get to be president!–and Bill gets his interns, and Hill gets Huma. Sure, I have no proof, but it’s fun to think about.

    If we’re talking naughty power fantasies, I’d settle for one subby nerd girl, but then I’d probably never get anywhere near the White House. If I didn’t need money, I’d probably go write for Breitbart or something–it’s about as far right as a Mischling can go. I have some liberal views, but the conservative guys seem like more fun–you’re not constantly checking every last word with the Sensitivity Brigade.

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  29. Broski says:
    @FriendofLabor2016
    In 1992, I don't think the concept of "cultural appropriation" had been articulated. Which segways me to my OT question: what is the word for attempting to change the tenants of a religion or culture to which you don't belong? Religous or Cultural subjugation? Seems like we need a word for the "Catholic Spring" plot.

    While no word may have existed, Vanilla Ice stood as avatar.

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  30. SFG says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, the tiny home fad is particularly sad.

    But I'm happy that people can talk themselves into seeing their declining living standards as the cool choice they're making that proves how trendy and awesome they are. In 1982 I felt pretty with-it driving around in my Datsun DeathTrap subcompact rather than one of those huge land yachts like Americans drove before the Energy Crisis.

    LOL–well said again. One of the nice things about being an ex-Manhattanite is having very low standards for space. One-bedrooms feel spacious.

    You could even argue the Internet became as popular as it has because the real world is getting so crowded and noisy. I mean, ‘they promised us flying cars and we got 140 characters’ has a real poignancy to it, but the truth is we’ve realized all that stuff won’t work in real life. It’s early afternoon in America. It’s still very light out, but the sun’s moved in the sky.

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  31. SFG says:
    @FriendofLabor2016
    In 1992, I don't think the concept of "cultural appropriation" had been articulated. Which segways me to my OT question: what is the word for attempting to change the tenants of a religion or culture to which you don't belong? Religous or Cultural subjugation? Seems like we need a word for the "Catholic Spring" plot.

    Entryism? But that presupposes planning to join.

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  32. SFG says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I tend to agree. In the video of him getting off the bus with Billy Bush, he looks distinctly awkward and appears embarrassed by Bush's compliments. He is not naturally good with people as, for example, Bill Clinton is.

    It's instructive to look at the circumstances of these women's complaints. In the airplane incident, the woman specifically mentions she had not been introduced to Trump yet. I suspect most women who fall for Trump are attracted to the billionaire media personality status, not his personal magnetism. Do women reading this intuitively sympathize with a women being groped by a stranger rather than being groped by a billionaire?

    The other two incidents--a kiss during a too-long handshake and a butt grab--are interpersonally awkward situations. For all the old B&W movie scenes of women struggling against and then succumbing to a kiss, I never saw one that started with an unreleased handshake.

    Trump's inability to capitalize on the issues to Hillary's detriment makes me thing he is not really invested in nor has thought much about them. However, I don't think that means it's all talk. If elected, he's got to do something. Why not build a wall? Anyhow, even he didn't build a wall, he wouldn't be go all SJW, just spend his time on personal grievances against the GOPe, which would be fine too.

    Recently, I've been feeling sorry for Giuliani. After Trump loses, he'll be cast into the outer darkness as well.

    Eh, he’ll always have a place in the hearts of center-to-right New Yorkers of a certain age.

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  33. SFG says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond
    It's nonsense. Trump just isn't as "alpha" as he appears. Y'll saw the tape, where Billy had to take the initiative for the hug.

    But Donald brags like a fiend. Why don't y'all realize that all this about how he's going to make America great is just locker room talk? [For the record, even as an adolescent, I never made false sexual claims, nor do I think my friends did.]

    Trump is only interested in Trump. However, populists and nationalists–blue-collar white men–will have gotten him elected. That’s very different from the coalition that will have elected Hillary.

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    Trump is only interested in Trump.
     
    Right! and Hillary is interested in advancing the prospects and conditions of the American people!

    If Trump was just interested in Trump, he would never sign up for this. There are no financial barriers to anything he might have already wished for. His animal instincts could not have been more completely satisfied than they have already been. By historical standards he is an old man. But still, with all his accomplishments his allegiance is to America and not the moon-battery that would enable him to advance his financial interests to even greater levels.

    Nevertheless, after he is elected he will disappoint us all.

    Really SFG, you must get hold of yourself before posting.
    , @Blosky
    Meanwhile, water wet, sky blue. News at 11...
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  34. @FriendofLabor2016
    In 1992, I don't think the concept of "cultural appropriation" had been articulated. Which segways me to my OT question: what is the word for attempting to change the tenants of a religion or culture to which you don't belong? Religous or Cultural subjugation? Seems like we need a word for the "Catholic Spring" plot.

    Seems like we need a word for the “Catholic Spring” plot.

    It’s called Vatican II. Podesta was woefully behind the times on this one, revealing the Left’s general ignorance about everything.

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  35. Lugash says:
    @FriendofLabor2016
    In 1992, I don't think the concept of "cultural appropriation" had been articulated. Which segways me to my OT question: what is the word for attempting to change the tenants of a religion or culture to which you don't belong? Religous or Cultural subjugation? Seems like we need a word for the "Catholic Spring" plot.

    Infiltration. Subversion.

    Riffing off of Broski… Vanilla Ice->Rob Van Winkle->Van Winkle-ism? Falling asleep at the switch for a bit, then waking up an not realizing the world has changed around you.

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    Subversion - that is probably the closest. But I think the dark tones of the word have faded over the years.
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  36. @Peripatetic commenter
    Here is a list of prominent republicans who oppose Trump:

    https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_Republicans_opposing_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign%2C_2016

    list of prominent republicans who oppose Trump

    Yes, well, we will remember them as we remember Benedict Arnold.

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  37. One other thing to remember here is that when Bill Clinton first entered upon the national stage, women were going gaga for him. All you heard from female journalists and opinion writers in the early to mid ’90s was how attractive Bill Clinton was. With his soft, raspy voice and southern accent, he was readily taken for a gentleman as well. A lot of people fell for his line. It would have been a hard sell to convince a broad audience, at that time, that he was a low-class lecher and possible rapist. Women had already built him up in their minds into some kind of Fabio or Brawny towel guy. They had projected too many fantasies upon him, and that kind of wrong simply could not be believed of him. Not even the Monica Lewinsky affair completely dispelled this image.

    But both Clintons, in their dotage, are running a very old racket and a savvier, more sophisticated electorate isn’t buying it this time.

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    It's hard to remember it now, but the Clintons represented a generational revolution - the first Boomer nominee (together with his Boomer VP), the ascendancy of a counterculture figure to power, and a "power couple" in which the wife eschewed a support role and was to be a "partner in power." The Boomer journalists of the time ate it up and I think really blurred the lines between the media and government power. They became the Clintons' hagiographers in real time because they had a strong rooting interest.
    , @Abe

    One other thing to remember here is that when Bill Clinton first entered upon the national stage, women were going gaga for him. All you heard from female journalists and opinion writers in the early to mid ’90s was how attractive Bill Clinton was. With his soft, raspy voice and southern accent, he was readily taken for a gentleman as well. A lot of people fell for his line. It would have been a hard sell to convince a broad audience, at that time, that he was a low-class lecher and possible rapist. Women had already built him up in their minds into some kind of Fabio or Brawny towel guy. They had projected too many fantasies upon him, and that kind of wrong simply could not be believed of him. Not even the Monica Lewinsky affair completely dispelled this image.
     
    Bill Clinton was not a bad looking guy in his Arkansas days, but by the time he became President he was fat (remember all the jokes about his thunder thighs when he went jogging with the Secret Service?). His creation into some sort of sex symbol was the astro-turfing of an unrepresentative cabal of elite, Boomer feminist career womyn (i.e. Murphy Browns) who took it upon themselves to tell all other women what they should want and largely succeeded because, let's be real, women are pretty conformist.

    And in the current year it is now Murphy Brown's all-grown up daughter who is running this same sort of astro-turfing campaign about Donald Trump being 'icky', and 'creepy', and a 'sexual assault' condoner which will probably cost him the election. Just realize that the average (married) mom is nothing like the shrikes you see on TV or read in SLATE/SALON. Where I live a not insignificant number of women work as sign-twirlers on construction crews or in DMV's as emissions testers. If your typical JEZEBEL columnist were to pass through she might give these women a fake-a$$, "you go girl, subvert the patriarchy!" salute and then in rank hypocrisy go back to her nice office job and life of diesel-free smelling hair.
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  38. @SFG
    Trump is only interested in Trump. However, populists and nationalists--blue-collar white men--will have gotten him elected. That's very different from the coalition that will have elected Hillary.

    Trump is only interested in Trump.

    Right! and Hillary is interested in advancing the prospects and conditions of the American people!

    If Trump was just interested in Trump, he would never sign up for this. There are no financial barriers to anything he might have already wished for. His animal instincts could not have been more completely satisfied than they have already been. By historical standards he is an old man. But still, with all his accomplishments his allegiance is to America and not the moon-battery that would enable him to advance his financial interests to even greater levels.

    Nevertheless, after he is elected he will disappoint us all.

    Really SFG, you must get hold of yourself before posting.

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    Well thank you for your concern ;). But I can think of one good reason he might still want to be POTUS--power. He's got lots of money, as you so correctly claim, and has sowed enough wild oats to feed Rosie O'Donnell. But he hasn't done politics yet.

    I do think he is pro-American in a very blue-collar way I appreciate, but I wouldn't start thinking of him as some shining knight on a horse. He's an operator. If he wins, he will have been elected by people like us, and that limits the parameters he can operate in to more favorable ones to us (and America, I think).

    Of course he'll disappoint you when elected. He's human. But he's better than the alternative. And his platform's got things I haven't heard in a long time.
    , @Broski
    A man's "animal instincts" are satisfied by money, female sexual consent, and power. Trump still wants power.
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  39. @Stephen R. Diamond
    It's nonsense. Trump just isn't as "alpha" as he appears. Y'll saw the tape, where Billy had to take the initiative for the hug.

    But Donald brags like a fiend. Why don't y'all realize that all this about how he's going to make America great is just locker room talk? [For the record, even as an adolescent, I never made false sexual claims, nor do I think my friends did.]

    So Donald isn’t particularly touchy feely. That’s ok. Stiff upper lip and all that. Billy is warm, but trust me, girls will be plenty hot for the cold guy just fine.

    Just as you should trust me that his bragging is realistic. I totally believe him, and that he is completely sincere about making America great again. Think on that

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  40. @Chrisnonymous
    I tend to agree. In the video of him getting off the bus with Billy Bush, he looks distinctly awkward and appears embarrassed by Bush's compliments. He is not naturally good with people as, for example, Bill Clinton is.

    It's instructive to look at the circumstances of these women's complaints. In the airplane incident, the woman specifically mentions she had not been introduced to Trump yet. I suspect most women who fall for Trump are attracted to the billionaire media personality status, not his personal magnetism. Do women reading this intuitively sympathize with a women being groped by a stranger rather than being groped by a billionaire?

    The other two incidents--a kiss during a too-long handshake and a butt grab--are interpersonally awkward situations. For all the old B&W movie scenes of women struggling against and then succumbing to a kiss, I never saw one that started with an unreleased handshake.

    Trump's inability to capitalize on the issues to Hillary's detriment makes me thing he is not really invested in nor has thought much about them. However, I don't think that means it's all talk. If elected, he's got to do something. Why not build a wall? Anyhow, even he didn't build a wall, he wouldn't be go all SJW, just spend his time on personal grievances against the GOPe, which would be fine too.

    Recently, I've been feeling sorry for Giuliani. After Trump loses, he'll be cast into the outer darkness as well.

    Being cold and aloof doesn’t mean that he is shy and uncomfortable. I wouldn’t have hugged her either. These women are only coming out now because frankly it was their one shot at fame.

    The other two incidents–a kiss during a too-long handshake and a butt grab–are interpersonally awkward situations. For all the old B&W movie scenes of women struggling against and then succumbing to a kiss, I never saw one that started with an unreleased handshake.

    Well see, that leads me to believe that you have never had the opportunity before.

    Recently, I’ve been feeling sorry for Giuliani. After Trump loses, he’ll be cast into the outer darkness as well.”

    A brave man may fall, but he cannot yield. Can you be relied upon for anything?

    What is instructive, is that you seem to have to rely on fiction to figure out your social mores

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    A lot of education, particularly for little kids, relies on stories. Remember Goofus and Gallant? Narrative catches human interest, even if it frequently distorts the world to do so.
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  41. @Lugash
    Infiltration. Subversion.

    Riffing off of Broski... Vanilla Ice->Rob Van Winkle->Van Winkle-ism? Falling asleep at the switch for a bit, then waking up an not realizing the world has changed around you.

    Subversion – that is probably the closest. But I think the dark tones of the word have faded over the years.

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  42. WhatEvvs says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I was calling on Walmart in Bentonville, Arkansas in late 1991-first half of 1992 so people with Arkansas connections were telling me about what everybody in Arkansas knew but the national media was keeping covered up.

    I may be wrong about this – but I don’t think I am – but Kaus was calling it on Edwards before the National Enquirer did their pioneering report on the Hunter affair. He made himself very unpopular with that and never quite made it back to the Cathedral.

    I just don’t see how, in this day and age, Bill Clinton can function as First Dude or whatever he’s going to be, if Hill is elected. The truth really has come out despite the best efforts of the hive to keep it bottled up.

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  43. WhatEvvs says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond
    It's nonsense. Trump just isn't as "alpha" as he appears. Y'll saw the tape, where Billy had to take the initiative for the hug.

    But Donald brags like a fiend. Why don't y'all realize that all this about how he's going to make America great is just locker room talk? [For the record, even as an adolescent, I never made false sexual claims, nor do I think my friends did.]

    Did you read the entire transcript? He said, “I failed. I admit it.”

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    He failed, but his attempts seem to consist of spending yuge money on the chick. Unless you believe the People reporter who wrote an article on Trump's marriage - yet failed to mention her supposed direct experiences in the course of that interview.

    Trump's a germophobe who is grossed out even shaking hands. Implausible that he would stick his tongue down strangers' throats. Or even grope them: what if they're on their period?

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  44. WhatEvvs says:
    @Anonymous
    Right, and there are lots of examples of this. Like trailer homes being portrayed as cool "tiny homes".

    Well OK, but living like a Japanese person doesn’t strike me as the worst of all possible worlds.

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    Well OK, but living like a Japanese person doesn’t strike me as the worst of all possible worlds.


     

    Especially if you enjoy the kind of long term job stability, income level, savings and pensions most Japanese persons still enjoy. It's not what it used to be, but it's miles ahead of anything we have left in the broad m̶i̶d̶d̶l̶e̶ worker class.
    , @SFG
    Their culture is very, very different from ours. There are a lot of intricate social rules and you constantly have to keep up a mask and focus on harmony. All totally understandable when you consider how many of them there are on that tiny little island, but I doubt many people here would enjoy being Japanese.
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  45. Stogumber says:

    Steve,
    thanks for this article. It’s a classical and I’ll keep it. I myself have made some attempts to formulate this “time machine” problem, but never could put it so elegantly.
    Obviously someone has to do the first step and risk to be rejected, whereas the other can keep back his judgment for the time being, possibly even till after the act, and then decide that this wasn’t what he wanted. And the problem wouldn’t be different if social roles were reversed between the sexes.

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  46. el topo says:

    In a just world, Steve would be a well-respected and successful journalist and Matt Yglesias would be working in a deli.

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    Matt Yglesias would be working in a deli.
     
    True, someone would be needed to mop the floor I suppose.
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  47. @Intelligent Dasein
    One other thing to remember here is that when Bill Clinton first entered upon the national stage, women were going gaga for him. All you heard from female journalists and opinion writers in the early to mid '90s was how attractive Bill Clinton was. With his soft, raspy voice and southern accent, he was readily taken for a gentleman as well. A lot of people fell for his line. It would have been a hard sell to convince a broad audience, at that time, that he was a low-class lecher and possible rapist. Women had already built him up in their minds into some kind of Fabio or Brawny towel guy. They had projected too many fantasies upon him, and that kind of wrong simply could not be believed of him. Not even the Monica Lewinsky affair completely dispelled this image.

    But both Clintons, in their dotage, are running a very old racket and a savvier, more sophisticated electorate isn't buying it this time.

    It’s hard to remember it now, but the Clintons represented a generational revolution – the first Boomer nominee (together with his Boomer VP), the ascendancy of a counterculture figure to power, and a “power couple” in which the wife eschewed a support role and was to be a “partner in power.” The Boomer journalists of the time ate it up and I think really blurred the lines between the media and government power. They became the Clintons’ hagiographers in real time because they had a strong rooting interest.

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  48. @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, the tiny home fad is particularly sad.

    But I'm happy that people can talk themselves into seeing their declining living standards as the cool choice they're making that proves how trendy and awesome they are. In 1982 I felt pretty with-it driving around in my Datsun DeathTrap subcompact rather than one of those huge land yachts like Americans drove before the Energy Crisis.

    They used to call that “keeping up appearances” or genteel poverty. Charles Dickens was pretty good at delineating it.

    Now, many people are in the same boat and so there is no term for it. And when one can’t label it, one just suffers in silence.

    My nieces and nephews have what are considered good mainstream professional jobs, as it happens, all in the finance industry and are in their late twenties. Unlike when I was their age in the 1980s, none of them can possibly save enough money to buy a middle-class suburban home for many years to come, if at all; at least not in the kinds of neighborhoods their parents lived in with similar jobs. It may be that their parents will have to come up with the substantial down payment necessary-no one has gone there yet but the thought looms, unspoken in family discourse.

    I expect that our familial arrangements will try to revert to those of a sort common in the rural economies of third-world nations. Multi-generational families living under one roof, with pooled resources. This has already started happening with single twenty-somethings living with their parents. The only reason it hasn’t happened yet to a greater extent is that job opportunities are far flung, which works against extended families living together, splitting them up.

    Looking back, I recall that there used to be a lot of criticism of Japan for its protectionist trade policies and its impenetrable labor arrangements but they were onto something important. Increasing GDP doesn’t mean a thing without job stability around which people can build their lives.Trump and Sanders have come to the issue late—we should have figured this out in the Reagan era, when buyouts and restructurings took flight, and started eroding the notion of stable jobs.

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    Multi generational households for (white) Americans would be wonderful, whether it's financially necessary or not. The older members can look out for the younger ones (who are lacking in judgment at that age) and the younger ones can do chores, etc. for the aging ones. This arrangement would be the best thing that could happen to us. Indeed, it is nothing new.
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  49. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    "Multiple women say Donald Trump made inappropriate sexual advances on them"

    http://www.businessinsider.com/two-women-new-york-times-donald-trump-2016-10

    Three women accused Donald Trump of making unwanted sexual advances on them in reports published Wednesday, just days after a salacious leaked tape showed Trump bragging in 2005 about groping women under his celebrity status.

    The allegations, made by Jessica Leeds and Rachel Crooks in The New York Times and Mindy McGillivray in The Palm Beach Post, came after Trump denied ever making unwanted advances when asked during Sunday's presidential debate.

    Leeds told The Times she was on a plane next to Trump, who she had not yet met, in the early 1980s when the real-estate tycoon lifted her armrest and began touching her. She alleged that he grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt.

    "He was like an octopus," she told The Times. "His hands were everywhere. ... It was an assault."

    Leeds said she fled to the back of the plane, but never made a formal complaint. Instead she spoke with four individuals who The Times also interviewed to corroborate the claims.

    The second woman, Crooks, said her incident occurred in 2005 — the same year as the damning leaked "Access Hollywood" tape was recorded.

    Crooks, 22 at the time, said Trump began kissing her on the mouth after holding on to an extended handshake.

    "It was so inappropriate," she told The Times. "I was so upset that he thought I was so insignificant that he could do that."

    McGillivray alleged to the Palm Beach Post that Trump grabbed her rear in 2003.

    All three women had not previously come forward with their stories, but did so after Trump said in Sunday night's presidential debate that his words from the 2005 leaked tape were "just words" and "locker room talk."
     

    One of the woman, Mindy McGillivray, has some issues.

    We’ll see where the story goes. Last hit job NYTimes did on Trump turned out to be completely bogus, made up by same writer who wrote the current piece.

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    Is there time enough before the election to disprove the story ? And what is its significance to Democracy ?

    Does it really matter in the sense that whatever the outcome of this election there will be a lecherous old man in the White house ? And either possibility can help the other get access to attractive women.

    Democracy requires compromise and cross party agreement.

    Trump as president should consider it his duty as a citizen to make sure that President William Clinton gets hotter pieces of ass than Lewinski.

    U.S.A., U.S.A.
    , @unpc downunder
    Once upon a time women slapped men in the face if they made unwelcome advances. Now them make sexual harassment claims twenty years after the event.

    If feminism is supposed to make women more assertive, it clearly isn't working.
    , @guest
    The obvious retort will be that Trump made her that way, because he traumatized her.
    , @SFG
    Ah, but that's the genius of the feminist emphasis on 'not blaming the victim'. You're not allowed to call the victim's mental health, criminal history, etc. into question, because false accusations never happen.
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  50. SFG says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Trump is only interested in Trump.
     
    Right! and Hillary is interested in advancing the prospects and conditions of the American people!

    If Trump was just interested in Trump, he would never sign up for this. There are no financial barriers to anything he might have already wished for. His animal instincts could not have been more completely satisfied than they have already been. By historical standards he is an old man. But still, with all his accomplishments his allegiance is to America and not the moon-battery that would enable him to advance his financial interests to even greater levels.

    Nevertheless, after he is elected he will disappoint us all.

    Really SFG, you must get hold of yourself before posting.

    Well thank you for your concern ;). But I can think of one good reason he might still want to be POTUS–power. He’s got lots of money, as you so correctly claim, and has sowed enough wild oats to feed Rosie O’Donnell. But he hasn’t done politics yet.

    I do think he is pro-American in a very blue-collar way I appreciate, but I wouldn’t start thinking of him as some shining knight on a horse. He’s an operator. If he wins, he will have been elected by people like us, and that limits the parameters he can operate in to more favorable ones to us (and America, I think).

    Of course he’ll disappoint you when elected. He’s human. But he’s better than the alternative. And his platform’s got things I haven’t heard in a long time.

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    Of course he’ll disappoint you when elected. He’s human. But he’s better than the alternative. And his platform’s got things I haven’t heard in a long time.
     
    I am both intensely enthusiastic to vote for Trump's America First platform next month and also fully prepared to be mostly disappointed in his presidency. I think Codevilla is right that the secular trend is already in place but to vote Trump is my opportunity to not go down without a fight and to make the political class sweat for once.

    Funny enough, I never cared for his reality show shtick before this campaign but the more I've seen of him the more I like his personality. I'm the same age as Ivanka and always had a hard-on for her but the Trump guys are impressive as well (no homo).
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    but I wouldn’t start thinking of him as some shining knight on a horse
     
    I do not think that would be the thinking of anyone - not even his wife or children. Of course he is an operator, and of course he is afflicted with a messianic complex - but it is a dirty job, there are no mestizos to do it, and there is no alternative to Trump.

    Vote Trump! And let the cucks, the libs and the political whores wail.
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  51. Blosky says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Damn. You are very good at this. No, you are preternatural at this. I salute you.

    Now all we need are some lottery numbers…

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  52. Broski says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Trump is only interested in Trump.
     
    Right! and Hillary is interested in advancing the prospects and conditions of the American people!

    If Trump was just interested in Trump, he would never sign up for this. There are no financial barriers to anything he might have already wished for. His animal instincts could not have been more completely satisfied than they have already been. By historical standards he is an old man. But still, with all his accomplishments his allegiance is to America and not the moon-battery that would enable him to advance his financial interests to even greater levels.

    Nevertheless, after he is elected he will disappoint us all.

    Really SFG, you must get hold of yourself before posting.

    A man’s “animal instincts” are satisfied by money, female sexual consent, and power. Trump still wants power.

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    For some men, there is also respect and adulation. It would be nice to be mentioned in the same sentences as Reagan and Eisenhower, or Washington and Jefferson. It's about leaving a legacy.

    Self-made billionaire, model girlfriends and wives, famous, and top 10% US president. Most people would settle for just one of those. Practically, for white America a successful Trump presidency would be up there with Washington or Lincoln.

    If there is anyone who wants power just for the sake of it, it's Hillary.
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  53. Blosky says:
    @SFG
    Trump is only interested in Trump. However, populists and nationalists--blue-collar white men--will have gotten him elected. That's very different from the coalition that will have elected Hillary.

    Meanwhile, water wet, sky blue. News at 11…

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  54. 1. Once again, this story proves that Sailer has some of the brightest, most able to read-between-the lines commenters: this entire thing was predicted by someone in one of the previous threads based on a look Clinton gave during the second debate in response to Trump’s statement that he hadn’t done anything inappropriate.

    2. I think it’s fair to say that, very likely, there has been collusion between Hillary and the NYT to peddle this if Hillary knew about it in advance. Where are those Russian hackers when you need them? Will these people ever have their hand caught in the cookie jar?

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  55. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, the tiny home fad is particularly sad.

    But I'm happy that people can talk themselves into seeing their declining living standards as the cool choice they're making that proves how trendy and awesome they are. In 1982 I felt pretty with-it driving around in my Datsun DeathTrap subcompact rather than one of those huge land yachts like Americans drove before the Energy Crisis.

    This also fits in with your point about how some of the “hi-tech” “new economy” is just a reversion to the pre-modern economy of things like taking in boarders.

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  56. @WhatEvvs
    Well OK, but living like a Japanese person doesn't strike me as the worst of all possible worlds.

    Well OK, but living like a Japanese person doesn’t strike me as the worst of all possible worlds.

    Especially if you enjoy the kind of long term job stability, income level, savings and pensions most Japanese persons still enjoy. It’s not what it used to be, but it’s miles ahead of anything we have left in the broad m̶i̶d̶d̶l̶e̶ worker class.

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  57. Abe says: • Website
    @Stephen R. Diamond
    It's nonsense. Trump just isn't as "alpha" as he appears. Y'll saw the tape, where Billy had to take the initiative for the hug.

    But Donald brags like a fiend. Why don't y'all realize that all this about how he's going to make America great is just locker room talk? [For the record, even as an adolescent, I never made false sexual claims, nor do I think my friends did.]

    [For the record, even as an adolescent, I never made false sexual claims, nor do I think my friends did.]

    So I take it your “friends” were the guy with the runway model girlfriend (never met her because she was Canadian) and this other guy with the 12″ penis (never went swimming with him because it was against his religion)?

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  58. @SFG
    Well thank you for your concern ;). But I can think of one good reason he might still want to be POTUS--power. He's got lots of money, as you so correctly claim, and has sowed enough wild oats to feed Rosie O'Donnell. But he hasn't done politics yet.

    I do think he is pro-American in a very blue-collar way I appreciate, but I wouldn't start thinking of him as some shining knight on a horse. He's an operator. If he wins, he will have been elected by people like us, and that limits the parameters he can operate in to more favorable ones to us (and America, I think).

    Of course he'll disappoint you when elected. He's human. But he's better than the alternative. And his platform's got things I haven't heard in a long time.

    Of course he’ll disappoint you when elected. He’s human. But he’s better than the alternative. And his platform’s got things I haven’t heard in a long time.

    I am both intensely enthusiastic to vote for Trump’s America First platform next month and also fully prepared to be mostly disappointed in his presidency. I think Codevilla is right that the secular trend is already in place but to vote Trump is my opportunity to not go down without a fight and to make the political class sweat for once.

    Funny enough, I never cared for his reality show shtick before this campaign but the more I’ve seen of him the more I like his personality. I’m the same age as Ivanka and always had a hard-on for her but the Trump guys are impressive as well (no homo).

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  59. AKAHorace says:
    @Anonymous
    One of the woman, Mindy McGillivray, has some issues.

    https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU7/status/786377344558563330

    We'll see where the story goes. Last hit job NYTimes did on Trump turned out to be completely bogus, made up by same writer who wrote the current piece.

    Is there time enough before the election to disprove the story ? And what is its significance to Democracy ?

    Does it really matter in the sense that whatever the outcome of this election there will be a lecherous old man in the White house ? And either possibility can help the other get access to attractive women.

    Democracy requires compromise and cross party agreement.

    Trump as president should consider it his duty as a citizen to make sure that President William Clinton gets hotter pieces of ass than Lewinski.

    U.S.A., U.S.A.

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    There are people in the internet digging deep for information. Based on what they have dug up, I have the impression that this is a rush job by NYTimes and they didn't vet the accusers properly.
    , @SFG
    They were friends beforehand, right? I could definitely see Trump and Bill trading stories about women.

    That said they've really drug Trump's reputation through the gutter, I don't think they'll go back to the status quo ante bellum. Maybe they put him up to it and then freaked when he started winning.
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  60. 5371 says:
    @Steve Sailer
    It is sad.

    People put a good face on sad things, like young people not being able to afford cars anymore, by saying cars are uncool and it's healthier to walk and the suburbs are boring, etc. But a lower standard of living is sad.

    We have smartphones, and that’s all we need, dontcha know.

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  61. Anonym says:
    @Broski
    A man's "animal instincts" are satisfied by money, female sexual consent, and power. Trump still wants power.

    For some men, there is also respect and adulation. It would be nice to be mentioned in the same sentences as Reagan and Eisenhower, or Washington and Jefferson. It’s about leaving a legacy.

    Self-made billionaire, model girlfriends and wives, famous, and top 10% US president. Most people would settle for just one of those. Practically, for white America a successful Trump presidency would be up there with Washington or Lincoln.

    If there is anyone who wants power just for the sake of it, it’s Hillary.

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  62. anonguy says:

    One advantage of being old is that current events become more amusing the more of the past you’ve endured.

    Perfect.

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  63. Whiskey says: • Website

    Tiny homes, no cars, no golf, no cable tv, now Simon Kuper at the FT is urging people to eat dogfood. No, seriously.

    THAT is the recipe for revolution. A violent one. The French, American, Russian, Mexican, etc. revolutions came about when rising income and expectations suddenly went DOWN. Often dramatically. Often led not by a rabble, but men of influence and power who saw themselves … losing everything.

    Of course as Lenin showed, Revolutions can be dicey things. However sticking most White people into tiny homes with no cars and constant memory and all sorts of movies and TV showing how people lived better twenty years ago; that’s not a recipe for elite success.

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  64. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AKAHorace
    Is there time enough before the election to disprove the story ? And what is its significance to Democracy ?

    Does it really matter in the sense that whatever the outcome of this election there will be a lecherous old man in the White house ? And either possibility can help the other get access to attractive women.

    Democracy requires compromise and cross party agreement.

    Trump as president should consider it his duty as a citizen to make sure that President William Clinton gets hotter pieces of ass than Lewinski.

    U.S.A., U.S.A.

    There are people in the internet digging deep for information. Based on what they have dug up, I have the impression that this is a rush job by NYTimes and they didn’t vet the accusers properly.

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    May not really matter as:

    -will the people who read the story read the refutations ? will they appear on any mass media site ?

    -if I could prove to you that Trump was a cannibal would that change your vote ? if I could prove to a Clinton supporter that she enjoyed raping children would that change their vote ?

    A lot of people will forgive their candidate anything in their private life if they deliver on their election promises. Not sure if this is good or bad for Democracy.
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  65. @Anonymous
    One of the woman, Mindy McGillivray, has some issues.

    https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU7/status/786377344558563330

    We'll see where the story goes. Last hit job NYTimes did on Trump turned out to be completely bogus, made up by same writer who wrote the current piece.

    Once upon a time women slapped men in the face if they made unwelcome advances. Now them make sexual harassment claims twenty years after the event.

    If feminism is supposed to make women more assertive, it clearly isn’t working.

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  66. Marty says:

    You might be interested in the migration of “unwanted” as a legal term. Earlier this year one of the russian speakers in our condo community decided to vandalize one of our light fixtures, and to demonstrate his contempt, left behind a UPS box with his name/address on it. So I rang his bell to discuss the matter. He called SFPD,and I found myself surrounded by four cops, one of whom told me I could be arrested because my communication was “unwanted.”

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    You were robbing a lawyer of his business. Don't be surprised that you got in trouble.
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  67. guest says:
    @Anonymous
    One of the woman, Mindy McGillivray, has some issues.

    https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU7/status/786377344558563330

    We'll see where the story goes. Last hit job NYTimes did on Trump turned out to be completely bogus, made up by same writer who wrote the current piece.

    The obvious retort will be that Trump made her that way, because he traumatized her.

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  68. Yo Trump says:
    @Monica
    Bill Clinton is a distinguished character. And he makes mean spinach dip! :-P

    Save some of that spinach dip for the paternity test Danney Williams needs.

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  69. AKAHorace says:
    @Anonymous
    There are people in the internet digging deep for information. Based on what they have dug up, I have the impression that this is a rush job by NYTimes and they didn't vet the accusers properly.

    May not really matter as:

    -will the people who read the story read the refutations ? will they appear on any mass media site ?

    -if I could prove to you that Trump was a cannibal would that change your vote ? if I could prove to a Clinton supporter that she enjoyed raping children would that change their vote ?

    A lot of people will forgive their candidate anything in their private life if they deliver on their election promises. Not sure if this is good or bad for Democracy.

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  70. Abe says: • Website

    Good stuff. I’m not gonna blow smoke up your butt, Steve, and say it is anywhere on par with your mature (c. 2004 – ?) work, but it is quite endearing, like hearing a talented young guitarist before he finds the front-man and rhythm section that will make him a rock god. So many glimmers of wit and insight underneath a solid, but also unoriginal, stuffy young man style typical of NATIONAL REVIEW conservatism. Honestly gives me goosebumps reverse-engineering your current prose, and seeing how you became one of our (not alt-righters, I mean English speakers) best essayists once you dropped the clunky, Latinate vocabulary, overly complex sentence structures, and traded in a somewhat weak-tea wryness for your trademark devastating back-hand compliments (like watching a kung-fu master stopping someone’s heart by gently blowing on them).

    Some thoughts:

    * ’92 election was a real precursor to today’s total corruption of the media; remember the controversy when it came out a whopping 89% of professional journalists had voted Clinton? Now thanks to Wikileaks we know the Democratic nominee simply invites them over for a comp’d dinner with Diane Sawyer and then gives them their marching orders
    * Warren Beatty was no smoothy-smoothster with the ladies; according to EASY RIDERS, RAGING BULLS he’d simply walk up to women and ask if they’d ‘wanna f##k?’, taking his share of face-slaps in return for a few successes (his game was therefore similar to KING OF THE HILL’S Boomhauer; or Alexander Portnoy)
    * rank hypocrisy of how sadsack Bob Packwood had his career ended (while Clarence Thomas is a pariah to this day) while feminists fought tooth-n-nail for Bill Clinton until just before that stained blue dress was waved in the air

    So to answer your 25 year old question of what constitutes sexual harassment- it’s when a conservative does it. Just like IQ is only a valid construct when a Republican nominee has a low one.

    Honestly this whole election is giving me a creepy sense of deja vu. After all the media-orchesterad “year of the woman” nonsense, dreary radical 2nd Wave feminism seemed about to make a breakthrough; but then Bill Clinton’s fly happened, and when it was unzipped radical feminism was banished for a generation, giving us blessed reprieve from today’s awful SJW sexual culture. Anyone remember Antioch College’s step-by-step sexual consent code? It was exactly like what millennial weenies are clamoring for now, only in the ’90′s we laughed it off and went back to our wild, lad-friendly sexual culture of Internet porn, Brazilian waxes, and manage-a-tois’s . Gays in the military was also proposed, but then Colin Powell barked at the President and we got 20+ years of don’t ask-don’t tell. Bill Clinton’s penis was like the broken sword that cut off the One Ring, yet now Sauron is back and every sort of revenge he’d planned against (white) men and their libidos is finally within his grasp. Or, to use another analogy, I feel like Winston Smith if he had stumbled into our world through a worm-hole in 1950, lived a happy, prosperous life for 30 years, then had the worm-hole collapse on him in 1983. Interesting times….

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  71. AKAHorace says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I was calling on Walmart in Bentonville, Arkansas in late 1991-first half of 1992 so people with Arkansas connections were telling me about what everybody in Arkansas knew but the national media was keeping covered up.

    You got it about Clinton totally before everyone else did. And more importantly, you predicted that the definition of sexual harassment would become vaguer and vaguer.

    It is a window into a forgotten time in which a left and right winger could agree on the definition of rape.

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  72. 5371 says:
    @Marty
    You might be interested in the migration of "unwanted" as a legal term. Earlier this year one of the russian speakers in our condo community decided to vandalize one of our light fixtures, and to demonstrate his contempt, left behind a UPS box with his name/address on it. So I rang his bell to discuss the matter. He called SFPD,and I found myself surrounded by four cops, one of whom told me I could be arrested because my communication was "unwanted."

    You were robbing a lawyer of his business. Don’t be surprised that you got in trouble.

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  73. Abe says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, the tiny home fad is particularly sad.

    But I'm happy that people can talk themselves into seeing their declining living standards as the cool choice they're making that proves how trendy and awesome they are. In 1982 I felt pretty with-it driving around in my Datsun DeathTrap subcompact rather than one of those huge land yachts like Americans drove before the Energy Crisis.

    Don’t mean to be the poor little rich boy here, but had to forego buying a beach house this year because the rational side of me could see that the rental income short-fall (after taking into account property management fees and repairs) would be too big a drain on our family budget. As America surges toward 600 million toilet paper buyers, though, any sort of home next to water (which thousands of only modestly middle class people in upper NY, Minnesota, Michigan, have been able to afford till now) will become a luxury suitable for only the rich.

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    Growing up over the hills from Malibu where it's assumed that to own a place on the water you have to be world-famous, I was pretty shocked in 1983 to drive around Michigan and see how many regular Joes have weekend houses on lakes.
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  74. @Abe
    Don't mean to be the poor little rich boy here, but had to forego buying a beach house this year because the rational side of me could see that the rental income short-fall (after taking into account property management fees and repairs) would be too big a drain on our family budget. As America surges toward 600 million toilet paper buyers, though, any sort of home next to water (which thousands of only modestly middle class people in upper NY, Minnesota, Michigan, have been able to afford till now) will become a luxury suitable for only the rich.

    Growing up over the hills from Malibu where it’s assumed that to own a place on the water you have to be world-famous, I was pretty shocked in 1983 to drive around Michigan and see how many regular Joes have weekend houses on lakes.

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  75. @PiltdownMan
    They used to call that "keeping up appearances" or genteel poverty. Charles Dickens was pretty good at delineating it.

    Now, many people are in the same boat and so there is no term for it. And when one can't label it, one just suffers in silence.

    My nieces and nephews have what are considered good mainstream professional jobs, as it happens, all in the finance industry and are in their late twenties. Unlike when I was their age in the 1980s, none of them can possibly save enough money to buy a middle-class suburban home for many years to come, if at all; at least not in the kinds of neighborhoods their parents lived in with similar jobs. It may be that their parents will have to come up with the substantial down payment necessary-no one has gone there yet but the thought looms, unspoken in family discourse.

    I expect that our familial arrangements will try to revert to those of a sort common in the rural economies of third-world nations. Multi-generational families living under one roof, with pooled resources. This has already started happening with single twenty-somethings living with their parents. The only reason it hasn't happened yet to a greater extent is that job opportunities are far flung, which works against extended families living together, splitting them up.

    Looking back, I recall that there used to be a lot of criticism of Japan for its protectionist trade policies and its impenetrable labor arrangements but they were onto something important. Increasing GDP doesn't mean a thing without job stability around which people can build their lives.Trump and Sanders have come to the issue late—we should have figured this out in the Reagan era, when buyouts and restructurings took flight, and started eroding the notion of stable jobs.

    Multi generational households for (white) Americans would be wonderful, whether it’s financially necessary or not. The older members can look out for the younger ones (who are lacking in judgment at that age) and the younger ones can do chores, etc. for the aging ones. This arrangement would be the best thing that could happen to us. Indeed, it is nothing new.

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    Yeah, I'd call it one silver lining. More family togetherness is probably a good thing. Of course it's bad for all those precious writers for the NYT who had to ditch their midwestern parents because they were so conformist and mean, but... too bad. ;)
    , @Old fogey
    Absolutely correct, Tolman. Having sensible adults around children while their parents are working is essential. The last two generations, when women left home to work despite having youngsters at home, many without fathers in the house, have not turned out all that well on the whole.
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  76. So Trump’s lawyer has now sent a cease and desist letter to The Times.

    http://vesselnews.io/trump-legal-team-sends-letter-nyt-demanding-retraction-apology-sexual-assault-story/

    Please God, allow him to Gawker the Times.

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  77. Ivy says:

    Clinton Agit-Prop: hire creepy clowns around the country to deflect public attention from daily WikiLeaks stories? Maybe that is the Arkansas sense of humor coming out.

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  78. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Was the descriptive, San Fernandoesque ‘Packwood’ his real surname?

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    Sen. Bob Packwood -- He was a feminist hero:

    Two years before Roe v. Wade he introduced the Senate's first abortion legalization bill, but he was unable to attract a cosponsor for either.[16] His pro-choice stance earned him the loyalty of many feminist groups[17] and numerous awards including those from the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (January 10, 1983) and the National Women's Political Caucus (October 23, 1985). In 1987, Packwood crossed party lines to vote against the nomination of Robert Bork to the Supreme Court, and he was one of only two Republicans to vote against the nomination of Clarence Thomas to the court.[3] Both votes were based on the nominee's opposition to abortion rights.[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Packwood

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  79. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Damn. You are very good at this. No, you are preternatural at this. I salute you.

    24 years ago, and Steve was knocking them out of the park.

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  80. Abe says: • Website
    @Intelligent Dasein
    One other thing to remember here is that when Bill Clinton first entered upon the national stage, women were going gaga for him. All you heard from female journalists and opinion writers in the early to mid '90s was how attractive Bill Clinton was. With his soft, raspy voice and southern accent, he was readily taken for a gentleman as well. A lot of people fell for his line. It would have been a hard sell to convince a broad audience, at that time, that he was a low-class lecher and possible rapist. Women had already built him up in their minds into some kind of Fabio or Brawny towel guy. They had projected too many fantasies upon him, and that kind of wrong simply could not be believed of him. Not even the Monica Lewinsky affair completely dispelled this image.

    But both Clintons, in their dotage, are running a very old racket and a savvier, more sophisticated electorate isn't buying it this time.

    One other thing to remember here is that when Bill Clinton first entered upon the national stage, women were going gaga for him. All you heard from female journalists and opinion writers in the early to mid ’90s was how attractive Bill Clinton was. With his soft, raspy voice and southern accent, he was readily taken for a gentleman as well. A lot of people fell for his line. It would have been a hard sell to convince a broad audience, at that time, that he was a low-class lecher and possible rapist. Women had already built him up in their minds into some kind of Fabio or Brawny towel guy. They had projected too many fantasies upon him, and that kind of wrong simply could not be believed of him. Not even the Monica Lewinsky affair completely dispelled this image.

    Bill Clinton was not a bad looking guy in his Arkansas days, but by the time he became President he was fat (remember all the jokes about his thunder thighs when he went jogging with the Secret Service?). His creation into some sort of sex symbol was the astro-turfing of an unrepresentative cabal of elite, Boomer feminist career womyn (i.e. Murphy Browns) who took it upon themselves to tell all other women what they should want and largely succeeded because, let’s be real, women are pretty conformist.

    And in the current year it is now Murphy Brown’s all-grown up daughter who is running this same sort of astro-turfing campaign about Donald Trump being ‘icky’, and ‘creepy’, and a ‘sexual assault’ condoner which will probably cost him the election. Just realize that the average (married) mom is nothing like the shrikes you see on TV or read in SLATE/SALON. Where I live a not insignificant number of women work as sign-twirlers on construction crews or in DMV’s as emissions testers. If your typical JEZEBEL columnist were to pass through she might give these women a fake-a$$, “you go girl, subvert the patriarchy!” salute and then in rank hypocrisy go back to her nice office job and life of diesel-free smelling hair.

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    I could see that, but my opinion is it's just the old Kissinger line about power being the ultimate aphrodisiac. Especially in the 90s, the POTUS is the most powerful man in the world. After China humiliates America for the first time, Chinese men will suddenly be a lot more attractive.
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  81. @Anonymous
    Was the descriptive, San Fernandoesque 'Packwood' his real surname?

    Sen. Bob Packwood — He was a feminist hero:

    Two years before Roe v. Wade he introduced the Senate’s first abortion legalization bill, but he was unable to attract a cosponsor for either.[16] His pro-choice stance earned him the loyalty of many feminist groups[17] and numerous awards including those from the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (January 10, 1983) and the National Women’s Political Caucus (October 23, 1985). In 1987, Packwood crossed party lines to vote against the nomination of Robert Bork to the Supreme Court, and he was one of only two Republicans to vote against the nomination of Clarence Thomas to the court.[3] Both votes were based on the nominee’s opposition to abortion rights.[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Packwood

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  82. Lurker says:
    @el topo
    In a just world, Steve would be a well-respected and successful journalist and Matt Yglesias would be working in a deli.

    Matt Yglesias would be working in a deli.

    True, someone would be needed to mop the floor I suppose.

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  83. rod1963 says:
    @Steve Sailer
    It is sad.

    People put a good face on sad things, like young people not being able to afford cars anymore, by saying cars are uncool and it's healthier to walk and the suburbs are boring, etc. But a lower standard of living is sad.

    I don’t know if it’s people putting a happy face on impoverishment or simply the MSM/Madison Avenue types simply reframing(to use a NLP term) people’s decreasing standard of living. Most simply won’t talk to strangers about their economic predicament.

    And the only people I see pushing the narrative of downsizing is cool are a bunch of smirking millionaires on TV who tend to work for groups that benefit from the current impoverishing of Americans.

    That said, if you’re at the bottom you don’t think a mobile home or 60 year old 800 sq ft. house as the end goal in life as desirable.

    It’s the same how MSM is selling people those tiny self-propelled coffins they call sub-compacts. And worse they cost a lot. Gimme a ex-police cruiser or fleet rental any day I can pick up for a couple of grand or a car with a salvaged title. Not stylish or cool but you got something that doesn’t put you into serious debt. But you’ll never see the MSM pushing options like these. No they promote the most expensive and limiting options for the masses.

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  84. @FactsAreImportant

    The rest of us Americans, however, find it depressing that we’re getting less and less able to afford golf, a sport that requires enormous tracts of manicured real estate. It’s discouraging to think that golf was once the sport of average American dads. So we tell ourselves that golf is boring and that we find 200-acre golf courses much less appealing than our treadmills and yoga mats.
     
    This made me very sad.

    Disc golf is becoming much more popular

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    And it always will be!

    (I tend to agree with this line of thought about prosperity, though. "Driving, hunting, and consumption are down and digging in the dirt with a stick is up. What an interesting shift away from materialistic preferences--it must be something to do with an increased preference for mobility, or maybe a desire for dense urban living. Clearly we must be measuring real GDP wrong.").
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  85. SFG says:
    @Anonymous
    One of the woman, Mindy McGillivray, has some issues.

    https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU7/status/786377344558563330

    We'll see where the story goes. Last hit job NYTimes did on Trump turned out to be completely bogus, made up by same writer who wrote the current piece.

    Ah, but that’s the genius of the feminist emphasis on ‘not blaming the victim’. You’re not allowed to call the victim’s mental health, criminal history, etc. into question, because false accusations never happen.

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  86. SFG says:
    @Abe

    One other thing to remember here is that when Bill Clinton first entered upon the national stage, women were going gaga for him. All you heard from female journalists and opinion writers in the early to mid ’90s was how attractive Bill Clinton was. With his soft, raspy voice and southern accent, he was readily taken for a gentleman as well. A lot of people fell for his line. It would have been a hard sell to convince a broad audience, at that time, that he was a low-class lecher and possible rapist. Women had already built him up in their minds into some kind of Fabio or Brawny towel guy. They had projected too many fantasies upon him, and that kind of wrong simply could not be believed of him. Not even the Monica Lewinsky affair completely dispelled this image.
     
    Bill Clinton was not a bad looking guy in his Arkansas days, but by the time he became President he was fat (remember all the jokes about his thunder thighs when he went jogging with the Secret Service?). His creation into some sort of sex symbol was the astro-turfing of an unrepresentative cabal of elite, Boomer feminist career womyn (i.e. Murphy Browns) who took it upon themselves to tell all other women what they should want and largely succeeded because, let's be real, women are pretty conformist.

    And in the current year it is now Murphy Brown's all-grown up daughter who is running this same sort of astro-turfing campaign about Donald Trump being 'icky', and 'creepy', and a 'sexual assault' condoner which will probably cost him the election. Just realize that the average (married) mom is nothing like the shrikes you see on TV or read in SLATE/SALON. Where I live a not insignificant number of women work as sign-twirlers on construction crews or in DMV's as emissions testers. If your typical JEZEBEL columnist were to pass through she might give these women a fake-a$$, "you go girl, subvert the patriarchy!" salute and then in rank hypocrisy go back to her nice office job and life of diesel-free smelling hair.

    I could see that, but my opinion is it’s just the old Kissinger line about power being the ultimate aphrodisiac. Especially in the 90s, the POTUS is the most powerful man in the world. After China humiliates America for the first time, Chinese men will suddenly be a lot more attractive.

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  87. SFG says:
    @Tolman Sweet
    Multi generational households for (white) Americans would be wonderful, whether it's financially necessary or not. The older members can look out for the younger ones (who are lacking in judgment at that age) and the younger ones can do chores, etc. for the aging ones. This arrangement would be the best thing that could happen to us. Indeed, it is nothing new.

    Yeah, I’d call it one silver lining. More family togetherness is probably a good thing. Of course it’s bad for all those precious writers for the NYT who had to ditch their midwestern parents because they were so conformist and mean, but… too bad. ;)

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  88. SFG says:
    @AKAHorace
    Is there time enough before the election to disprove the story ? And what is its significance to Democracy ?

    Does it really matter in the sense that whatever the outcome of this election there will be a lecherous old man in the White house ? And either possibility can help the other get access to attractive women.

    Democracy requires compromise and cross party agreement.

    Trump as president should consider it his duty as a citizen to make sure that President William Clinton gets hotter pieces of ass than Lewinski.

    U.S.A., U.S.A.

    They were friends beforehand, right? I could definitely see Trump and Bill trading stories about women.

    That said they’ve really drug Trump’s reputation through the gutter, I don’t think they’ll go back to the status quo ante bellum. Maybe they put him up to it and then freaked when he started winning.

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  89. SFG says:
    @WhatEvvs
    Well OK, but living like a Japanese person doesn't strike me as the worst of all possible worlds.

    Their culture is very, very different from ours. There are a lot of intricate social rules and you constantly have to keep up a mask and focus on harmony. All totally understandable when you consider how many of them there are on that tiny little island, but I doubt many people here would enjoy being Japanese.

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    Which is why I said, "not the worst of all possible worlds."

    "There are a lot of intricate social rules and you constantly have to keep up a mask and focus on harmony."

    [sarcasm/smirk/rolls eyes]Imagine that. I really can't. I honestly do NOT fathom how anyone can possibly live in a society where you have to watch every word and not trust other people. A society where you might lose your job if you say the wrong thing. A society where you have to constantly revert to weasel words to express the simplest, most basic concepts. A society in which you can't even say words like 'man' or 'woman' without being...oh never mind[/sarcasm/smirk/rolls eyes]
    , @Abe

    Their culture is very, very different from ours. There are a lot of intricate social rules and you constantly have to keep up a mask and focus on harmony.
     
    I still remember very well the "comedy of manners" part of MAN IN THE HIGH CASTLE where a stuff-shirt, middle aged wee-a-boo (Mr. Chilton) desperately works out in his head that a Japanese social superior is rejecting his business offer, and that if he's not to look like a total social clod in this brave new Empire of the Sun-occupied America, it is up to HIM to verbally tank the deal.

    That's when it first hit me how we Americans, with our spontaneity, loudness, obliviousness to fine detail or love for the cute/small, and above all argumentativeness without consideration of face and social standing (i.e. willingness to respectfully criticize a more senior, or simply older colleague) must annoy the hell out of the Japanese. Basically, we're their Blacks.

    So in this attention to social detail, I apologize if my prolific posting this week, combined with frequent off-topic rambliness, has annoyed anyone (as I said, a bit hopped up from the last debate, and my comments appear much shorter when I'm composing them than after they're submitted).

    BTW, can you recommend any novels which show this sort of Japanese/American novel of manners culture clash that someone not too familiar with Japanese society could appreciate?

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  90. SFG says:
    @Difference Maker
    Being cold and aloof doesn't mean that he is shy and uncomfortable. I wouldn't have hugged her either. These women are only coming out now because frankly it was their one shot at fame.

    The other two incidents–a kiss during a too-long handshake and a butt grab–are interpersonally awkward situations. For all the old B&W movie scenes of women struggling against and then succumbing to a kiss, I never saw one that started with an unreleased handshake.
     
    Well see, that leads me to believe that you have never had the opportunity before.

    Recently, I’ve been feeling sorry for Giuliani. After Trump loses, he’ll be cast into the outer darkness as well."
     
    A brave man may fall, but he cannot yield. Can you be relied upon for anything?

    What is instructive, is that you seem to have to rely on fiction to figure out your social mores

    A lot of education, particularly for little kids, relies on stories. Remember Goofus and Gallant? Narrative catches human interest, even if it frequently distorts the world to do so.

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  91. SPMoore8 says:

    I predicted in 1993 that Clinton would be arrested for soliciting a prostitute during one of his morning jogs to McDonald’s. It didn’t work out exactly like that, but, close enough.

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  92. @Stephen R. Diamond
    It's nonsense. Trump just isn't as "alpha" as he appears. Y'll saw the tape, where Billy had to take the initiative for the hug.

    But Donald brags like a fiend. Why don't y'all realize that all this about how he's going to make America great is just locker room talk? [For the record, even as an adolescent, I never made false sexual claims, nor do I think my friends did.]

    Trump wasn’t bragging.

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  93. @Anonymous
    "More questionable footage of Trump's comments on women"

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-unearthed-footage-trump-says-of-10-year-old-i-am-going-to-be-dating-her-in-10-years/

    As Republican nominee Donald Trump’s campaign still works to move past a recently released 2005 tape of his lewd remarks about women, more and more footage of similar comments made by Trump is surfacing.

    In an “Entertainment Tonight” Christmas feature in 1992, Trump looked at a group of young girls and said he would be dating one of them in ten years. At the time, Trump would have been 46 years old.

    The video, released Wednesday evening, was shot at Trump Tower.

    In the clip, Trump asks one of the girls if she’s “going up the escalator.” When the girl replies, “yeah,” Trump turns to the camera and says: “I am going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?”
     

    In the clip, Trump asks one of the girls if she’s “going up the escalator.” When the girl replies, “yeah,” Trump turns to the camera and says: “I am going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?”

    So, unlike some in Hollywood and Congress, Trump isn’t a pedophile. What’s wrong with him waiting ten years to date the girl?

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  94. WhatEvvs says:
    @SFG
    Their culture is very, very different from ours. There are a lot of intricate social rules and you constantly have to keep up a mask and focus on harmony. All totally understandable when you consider how many of them there are on that tiny little island, but I doubt many people here would enjoy being Japanese.

    Which is why I said, “not the worst of all possible worlds.”

    “There are a lot of intricate social rules and you constantly have to keep up a mask and focus on harmony.”

    [sarcasm/smirk/rolls eyes]Imagine that. I really can’t. I honestly do NOT fathom how anyone can possibly live in a society where you have to watch every word and not trust other people. A society where you might lose your job if you say the wrong thing. A society where you have to constantly revert to weasel words to express the simplest, most basic concepts. A society in which you can’t even say words like ‘man’ or ‘woman’ without being…oh never mind[/sarcasm/smirk/rolls eyes]

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  95. Abe says: • Website
    @SFG
    Their culture is very, very different from ours. There are a lot of intricate social rules and you constantly have to keep up a mask and focus on harmony. All totally understandable when you consider how many of them there are on that tiny little island, but I doubt many people here would enjoy being Japanese.

    Their culture is very, very different from ours. There are a lot of intricate social rules and you constantly have to keep up a mask and focus on harmony.

    I still remember very well the “comedy of manners” part of MAN IN THE HIGH CASTLE where a stuff-shirt, middle aged wee-a-boo (Mr. Chilton) desperately works out in his head that a Japanese social superior is rejecting his business offer, and that if he’s not to look like a total social clod in this brave new Empire of the Sun-occupied America, it is up to HIM to verbally tank the deal.

    That’s when it first hit me how we Americans, with our spontaneity, loudness, obliviousness to fine detail or love for the cute/small, and above all argumentativeness without consideration of face and social standing (i.e. willingness to respectfully criticize a more senior, or simply older colleague) must annoy the hell out of the Japanese. Basically, we’re their Blacks.

    So in this attention to social detail, I apologize if my prolific posting this week, combined with frequent off-topic rambliness, has annoyed anyone (as I said, a bit hopped up from the last debate, and my comments appear much shorter when I’m composing them than after they’re submitted).

    BTW, can you recommend any novels which show this sort of Japanese/American novel of manners culture clash that someone not too familiar with Japanese society could appreciate?

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  96. Old fogey says:
    @Tolman Sweet
    Multi generational households for (white) Americans would be wonderful, whether it's financially necessary or not. The older members can look out for the younger ones (who are lacking in judgment at that age) and the younger ones can do chores, etc. for the aging ones. This arrangement would be the best thing that could happen to us. Indeed, it is nothing new.

    Absolutely correct, Tolman. Having sensible adults around children while their parents are working is essential. The last two generations, when women left home to work despite having youngsters at home, many without fathers in the house, have not turned out all that well on the whole.

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    I like your name, Old Fogey. LOL. I ain't that old, but we were both poor and backwards in the area where we lived, and it was not uncommon for Granny to live with her children and grandchildren. There were no "care homes" or "assisted living apartments" - not in our area, anyway.
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  97. Psmith says:
    @27 year old
    Disc golf is becoming much more popular

    And it always will be!

    (I tend to agree with this line of thought about prosperity, though. “Driving, hunting, and consumption are down and digging in the dirt with a stick is up. What an interesting shift away from materialistic preferences–it must be something to do with an increased preference for mobility, or maybe a desire for dense urban living. Clearly we must be measuring real GDP wrong.”).

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  98. @WhatEvvs
    Did you read the entire transcript? He said, "I failed. I admit it."

    He failed, but his attempts seem to consist of spending yuge money on the chick. Unless you believe the People reporter who wrote an article on Trump’s marriage – yet failed to mention her supposed direct experiences in the course of that interview.

    Trump’s a germophobe who is grossed out even shaking hands. Implausible that he would stick his tongue down strangers’ throats. Or even grope them: what if they’re on their period?

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  99. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    What self respecting woman would admit that no man had ever made an unwanted sexual advance toward her? She’d be admitting either that no man’s ever made her a sexual advance or that she’s never met a sexual advance she didn’t like.

    Exactly. This is the female equivalent of men bragging to each other about nailing some chick. Women brag to each other about getting hit on i.e. getting “unwanted sexual advances”. They don’t brag about never being hit on or getting nailed by various men.

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  100. @Old fogey
    Absolutely correct, Tolman. Having sensible adults around children while their parents are working is essential. The last two generations, when women left home to work despite having youngsters at home, many without fathers in the house, have not turned out all that well on the whole.

    I like your name, Old Fogey. LOL. I ain’t that old, but we were both poor and backwards in the area where we lived, and it was not uncommon for Granny to live with her children and grandchildren. There were no “care homes” or “assisted living apartments” – not in our area, anyway.

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  101. Anon7 says:

    Whatever men think about the “unwanted advances” strategy, it’s working like a charm with the women I know. Whereas a month ago, these women listened to criticisms of Hillary, for her email problem, Benghazi and the Clinton foundation, now it’s just over.

    There’s something about it that both convinces women and ends discussion. I think that Steve’s analysis of Hillary’s psychology vis-a-vis Bill and Donald is in some way shared by many older women. They resent older, wealthy alpha males who just become more irresistible to women – compared to women whose faded looks end their chance for romantic lives. I think these women get satisfaction out of taking part in Trump’s downfall.

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  102. @SFG
    Well thank you for your concern ;). But I can think of one good reason he might still want to be POTUS--power. He's got lots of money, as you so correctly claim, and has sowed enough wild oats to feed Rosie O'Donnell. But he hasn't done politics yet.

    I do think he is pro-American in a very blue-collar way I appreciate, but I wouldn't start thinking of him as some shining knight on a horse. He's an operator. If he wins, he will have been elected by people like us, and that limits the parameters he can operate in to more favorable ones to us (and America, I think).

    Of course he'll disappoint you when elected. He's human. But he's better than the alternative. And his platform's got things I haven't heard in a long time.

    but I wouldn’t start thinking of him as some shining knight on a horse

    I do not think that would be the thinking of anyone – not even his wife or children. Of course he is an operator, and of course he is afflicted with a messianic complex – but it is a dirty job, there are no mestizos to do it, and there is no alternative to Trump.

    Vote Trump! And let the cucks, the libs and the political whores wail.

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  103. Michelle says:

    My Bollywood Star looking, Sikh assistant came back from getting her lunch on Wednesday and informed me that she had been “stalked” and “sexually harassed” by one of our Black janitors. “I was walking back to work and he came up to me and showed me the salad he had got for lunch, she said. He’s so creepy”.

    Mind you, this is a guy the rest of us all have crushes on. If showing a woman the delicious salad you scored from up the street is sexual harassment, I just don’t want to live any longer! It’s not as if he asked her to “Toss his salad”. He once had me go outside to a parking lot to check out his 1970′s muscle car. I didn’t take offense. I just hope she doesn’t make trouble for him!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=show+and+tell+song&oq=show+and+tell+s&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.11320j0j4&client=tablet-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

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    So... You have a crush on a black guy... Cool ...

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  104. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    "More questionable footage of Trump's comments on women"

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-unearthed-footage-trump-says-of-10-year-old-i-am-going-to-be-dating-her-in-10-years/

    As Republican nominee Donald Trump’s campaign still works to move past a recently released 2005 tape of his lewd remarks about women, more and more footage of similar comments made by Trump is surfacing.

    In an “Entertainment Tonight” Christmas feature in 1992, Trump looked at a group of young girls and said he would be dating one of them in ten years. At the time, Trump would have been 46 years old.

    The video, released Wednesday evening, was shot at Trump Tower.

    In the clip, Trump asks one of the girls if she’s “going up the escalator.” When the girl replies, “yeah,” Trump turns to the camera and says: “I am going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?”
     

    I see the Clinton 50-cent boy trolls are out in full force tonight.

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  105. @ATX Hipster
    This piece has me envisioning the 1990s the way we see a show from the 50s like Leave It to Beaver. "He thought the media might be interested in finding dirt on Bill Clinton! How quaint!" "Wow, people were so naive back then... they thought discovery of a history of sexual harassment or even rape might harm a Democrat's career!"

    I'd always thought Bill's sleaziness was well known by the '92 campaign.

    Yeah, given Steve’s sponsorship of the “Who, Whom” conceptual-framework/decoder-ring and his affection for Ockham’s Razor, it is surprising he missed the obvious reason that Republicans Packwood and Thomas are automatically guilty while Democrats Clinton and Kennedy are automatically innocent, no matter that Anita Hill wasn’t by any definition sexually harassed while Kennedy killed one of his victims.

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  106. @Michelle
    My Bollywood Star looking, Sikh assistant came back from getting her lunch on Wednesday and informed me that she had been "stalked" and "sexually harassed" by one of our Black janitors. "I was walking back to work and he came up to me and showed me the salad he had got for lunch, she said. He's so creepy".

    Mind you, this is a guy the rest of us all have crushes on. If showing a woman the delicious salad you scored from up the street is sexual harassment, I just don't want to live any longer! It's not as if he asked her to "Toss his salad". He once had me go outside to a parking lot to check out his 1970's muscle car. I didn't take offense. I just hope she doesn't make trouble for him!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=show+and+tell+song&oq=show+and+tell+s&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.11320j0j4&client=tablet-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

    So… You have a crush on a black guy… Cool …

    ….

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    Well, it is what it is! I love a man in a uniform. Especially, a blue collared uniform.
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  107. Michelle says:
    @27 year old
    So... You have a crush on a black guy... Cool ...

    ....

    Well, it is what it is! I love a man in a uniform. Especially, a blue collared uniform.

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  108. Olorin says:
    @Steve Sailer
    It is sad.

    People put a good face on sad things, like young people not being able to afford cars anymore, by saying cars are uncool and it's healthier to walk and the suburbs are boring, etc. But a lower standard of living is sad.

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