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From Reuters:

Netherlands bars Turkish ministers as rally dispute escalates

Sun Mar 12, 2017 | 1:23am EST

By Tuvan Gumrukcu and Thomas Escritt | ANKARA/ROTTERDAM

The Netherlands barred Turkish ministers from speaking in Rotterdam on Saturday in a row over Ankara’s political campaigning among Turkish emigres, leading President Tayyip Erdogan to brand its fellow NATO member a “Nazi remnant”.

The dispute escalated into a major diplomatic incident in the evening, as Turkey’s family minister was prevented by police from entering the Turkish consulate in Rotterdam. Hundreds of protesters waving Turkish flags gathered outside, demanding to see the minister.

Dutch police used dogs and water cannon early on Sunday to disperse the crowd, which threw bottles and stones. Several demonstrators were beaten by police with batons, a Reuters witness said. They carried out charges on horseback, while officers advanced on foot with shields and armored vans. …

From videos, it looked like the cops wanted it more this time: dogs, horses, shields, billyclubs, water cannons, black mariahs, the cops came ready to rumble.

“The world must take a stance in the name of democracy against this fascist act! This behavior against a female minister can never be accepted,” she said. The Rotterdam mayor confirmed she was being escorted by police to the German border.

The Dutch government, which stands to lose heavily to the anti-Islam party of Geert Wilders in elections next week, said it considered the visits undesirable and “the Netherlands could not cooperate in the public political campaigning of Turkish ministers in the Netherlands.”

The government said it saw the potential to import divisions into its own Turkish minority, which has both pro- and anti-Erdogan camps. …

Erdogan is looking to the large number of emigre Turks living in Europe, especially in Germany and the Netherlands, to help clinch victory next month in a referendum that would give the presidency sweeping new powers. …

Cavusoglu, who was barred from a similar meeting in Hamburg last week but spoke instead from the Turkish consulate, accused the Dutch of treating the many Turkish citizens in the country like hostages, cutting them off from Ankara.

“If my going will increase tensions, let it be … I am a foreign minister and I can go wherever I want,” he added

Well, actually, you can’t.

hours before his planned flight to Rotterdam was banned. …

Addressing a rally of supporters, Erdogan retaliated against the decision to prevent the Turkish foreign minister from visiting Rotterdam.

“Listen Netherlands, you’ll jump once, you’ll jump twice, but my people will thwart your game,” he said. “You can cancel our foreign minister’s flight as much as you want, but let’s see how your flights will come to Turkey now.”

“They don’t know diplomacy or politics. They are Nazi remnants. They are fascists,” he said.

 
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  1. Anon says: • Disclaimer
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    response to other anon re Visas:

    The application fees are listed below and apply to one visa application. The application fee for the most common nonimmigrant visa types is $160. This includes tourist, business, student, and exchange visas. Most petition-based visas, such as work and religious visas, are US$190.
     
    This is enough money to actually enforce them. I am extremely happy to see this. Just the notion that we do *anything* regarding Visa enforcement will increase compliance significantly. For the $190, we could simply give the 'guest' a smart phone.

    Maybe I'm a bit over the top on this, but logistics technology is quite advanced, and what is this other than a human logistics issue?

    Regardless of the fantasy of the MSM that Trump is running amok, trashing the executive branch -- he hasn't done much. But I have been really impressed at the impact of 'Tone at the top' on financial markets and the economy. Especially because so many of his proposals require suspension of disbelief to take as serious proposals. For example, its impossible to help importers and exporters with the same reform. Yet the animal spirits finally arose from the dead.
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  2. Trelane says:

    Marine Le Pen may face prosecution for tweeting pictures of Islamic State violence.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The EU - getting more and more Orwellian by the day.
    , @unpc downunder
    Its noticeable how RT News has swung in favour of Trump and Le Pen since the western media started blaming the Russians for meddling in the US election.

    However, I still find it a little odd how it manages to get self-confessed progressives like Boiki to take a vaguely nationalistic stance on immigration. Money talks I suppose.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    I definitely don’t suffer from Boikophobia.
  3. Altai says:

    Things are getting real.

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  4. The Dutch government, which stands to lose heavily to the anti-Islam party of Geert Wilders in elections next week, said it considered the visits undesirable and “the Netherlands could not cooperate in the public political campaigning of Turkish ministers in the Netherlands.”

    i.e. when the political class feels threatened by Muslim misbehavior something actually gets done about it.

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    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    Is it that the Dutch political class feel threatened by Muslims or threatened by the prospect of Geert Wilders winning the forthcoming election?
  5. TangoMan says:

    They carried out charges on horseback, while officers advanced on foot with shields and armored vans. …

    Is it just me or do others look at this sentence construction and see it as implying that the Turkish protestors charged the police while on horseback and the police advanced on foot with shields and armored vans?

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    • Agree: JohnnyGeo
    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "Several demonstrators were beaten by police with batons, a Reuters witness said. *They* carried out charges on horseback, while officers advanced on foot with shields and armored vans."

    TangoMan, you are not the only one who is puzzled about the antecedent of the pronoun "They". It could refer to any of the three plural nouns in the preceding sentence: demonstrators, police, batons. What "They" refers to is ambiguous. The "They" should have been "Police". (Or, alternatively, "They" might refer to a certain pronoun-happy criminal in Berkeley, California.)
    , @Autochthon
    "...police with batons..." is the immediately previous plural noun, providing at least some basis for the police's being the antecedent, but it is indeed really poor composition. What do you expect from a mainstream journalist, though? It's not as though his whole damned job is to write well....

    (I realise actual research and reporting is critical, too, but they are even worse at that than they are at writing!)
  6. Social Justice Jihadis.

    “If my going will increase tensions, let it be … I am a foreign minister and I can go wherever I want.”

    So great.

    Globalization means having all political feuds everywhere. Fun!

    Everything is political everywhere from everywhere… The mind reels.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Yes, we westerners have to realize that our countries exist to be convention centers for foreigners to conduct their business........................Or we could just kick all the f**kers out.
  7. 5371 says:

    [This behavior against a female minister can never be accepted]

    She played both the woman and muzzer cards! How did she lose?

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    • Replies: @Alan D
    I agree. Anyone with two cards to play should win, especially against the Dutch government, most of whom probably have no cards or one card (for being female).

    The Dutch government needs a disabled black gay or lesbian, or they could go nuclear with a transgender.
  8. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Actually, the Dutch were Nazi victims.

    Anyhow, how does all this Erdogan banning, and furious backlash, sits with the EU commitment to Turkish membership, visa free travel and closer cooperation, which, remember was the price paid to Turkey for Turkey restricting ‘refugee’ flow into the EU?

    Brexit looks wiser every day.

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    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @El Dato
    > commitment to Turkish membership

    Turkish membership is 100% down the toilet and will stay there until civilization is rebuilt.

    Is anyone in the EU still making the usual statements about that? It was possibly somewhat fine back in 2000 (I remember The Economist being into that)
  9. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Ultimately, the price of cheap labor – why else are Turks in the Netherlands other than being the legacy of labor market conditions 50 years ago? – is exceedingly expensive.

    You would have thought that white people learned that lesson 150 years ago.

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    • Replies: @Austria
    NATO is to blame. German industry did not want additional, low skilled guest workers. They wanted to move towards automation and told the Government as much. Turkish immigration never made any economic sense, even at the beginning.

    NATO feared that high unemployment in Turkey could enable a communist takeover. So it is was decided that a guest-worker program for Turks could alleviate this presumed short term problem. All of this was revealed about ten years ago, based on disclosed documents.

    Turks even go so far as to claim that they rebuilt Germany right after 1945 and enabled the German economic miracle. A lot of young Germans believe this nonsense now. I've even seen american right wing bloggers who accepted this absurd claim.
    , @Anonymous

    Ultimately, the price of cheap labor – why else are Turks in the Netherlands other than being the legacy of labor market conditions 50 years ago? –
     
    I think the original post WW2 Turks came to Europe, not because of their low price, but because too many European young males had been killed or maimed by the war.

    Which leads us to not only listen to your lesson about cheap labor, but to stop fighting against one another too. The great European civil wars of the 20th century have taken what should have been a European future and turned it into the current state of sorry affairs we have now where the future of the European world is now seemingly in doubt.

    , @Erik Sieven
    cheap labor was no problem, the people should simply have been sent back as it was planned in the first place.
  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Trelane
    Marine Le Pen may face prosecution for tweeting pictures of Islamic State violence.

    https://youtu.be/Owq0CzKSZk0

    https://youtu.be/XDj11QTQel0

    The EU – getting more and more Orwellian by the day.

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  11. Austrian says:

    Don’t misunderstand this situation! The governments of Germany, Austria and the Netherlands did not embrace identitarianism, citizenism or common sense. Merkel in fact just recently stated openly that the German people is whoever happens to reside within the borders of Germany.

    A major official reason for this row with Turkey is the imprisonment of Denis Yücel, an anti-german, kurdish journalist/activist, who worked as an editor of the crazy, leftist, anti-german Taz newspaper. This guy kept condemning German establishment politicians, including the insufferable pastor/president/cuck Joachim Gauck; alleging that they were insufficiently supportive, humble and appreciative towards immigrants like himself.

    The true, underlying motviation behind all of this is jealousy and turf war. Turkish establishment politicians can draw large crowds in Germany, Austria and the Netherlands. Much larger crowds in fact than Merkel could ever hope to attract. Also, the elites, even though the are post-national, globalist, strongly believe in turf. The arbitrarily drawn administrative districts that are named “Germany”, “Austria”, and ” The Netherlands” for whatever irrelevant reason, are to be governed by Merkel, Kern and Rutte, respectively, and not by some other provincial administrator who is appointed to rule over some other district.

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  12. Austria says:
    @Anonymous
    Ultimately, the price of cheap labor - why else are Turks in the Netherlands other than being the legacy of labor market conditions 50 years ago? - is exceedingly expensive.

    You would have thought that white people learned that lesson 150 years ago.

    NATO is to blame. German industry did not want additional, low skilled guest workers. They wanted to move towards automation and told the Government as much. Turkish immigration never made any economic sense, even at the beginning.

    NATO feared that high unemployment in Turkey could enable a communist takeover. So it is was decided that a guest-worker program for Turks could alleviate this presumed short term problem. All of this was revealed about ten years ago, based on disclosed documents.

    Turks even go so far as to claim that they rebuilt Germany right after 1945 and enabled the German economic miracle. A lot of young Germans believe this nonsense now. I’ve even seen american right wing bloggers who accepted this absurd claim.

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    • Replies: @German_reader
    Yes, totally correct. There were strong concerns about extending the guest worker programme to Turks, American pressure and foreign policy considerations played a major role in overcoming those objections in the early 1960s. Probably the most disastrous decision ever taken in Germany after 1945, far worse in retrospect than anything Walter Ulbricht or Erich Honecker did.
    And economically it was a net loss (unlike with the Southern Europeans who mostly kept to the deal and went home again, and if they stayed didn't cause any significant trouble), any short-term economic gains have been easily dwarfed by the payments given out to Turkish welfare recipients.
  13. We could learn a few things from Dutchies!

    Main Smear Media deliberately ignores Seven Cities Political Campaign Tour of Foreign Country Nationalistic Presidential Candidate,while continuing with sanctimonious 24/7 pearl-clutching over every breath Trump takes:

    On February 12th of this year, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, leader of the new Movimiento de Regeneración Nacional (Movement for National Regeneration, MORENA) spoke to hundreds of followers at the historic Plaza Olvera in downtown Los Angeles.

    The reverence he evokes among his followers was on full display at the event; some people reported they drove hundreds of miles with their children so they could listen to AMLO, as he is popularly known.

    His visit to Los Angeles marked an opening gambit in what, by all accounts, will be a hard fought contest to determine Mexico’s next president on July 1, 2018.

    López Obrador’s visit to Los Angeles underscores that preparations for the Mexican presidential elections are clearly underway.

    https://nacla.org/news/2017/03/07/looking-left-turn-mexico

    TRUMP 2020 – Because Only Four Years Won’t Do It!

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  14. OT: What’s the deal with the Bharara story? Is there a story?

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Piltdown, I am a little pissed, I was hoping that Bharara would take down Andrew Cuomo and I think he was close.
    , @PennTothal
    D'Souza refers to South Asian stereotypes as he levels plausible scorn:

    "GOOD RIDDANCE DEPT: Obama capo @PreetBharara is a familiar Indian type, subservient to those above him but ruthless with those in his power"

     

    https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza


    (It's personal with him since Bharara prosecuted him.)
  15. Anon 8 gets to the point in the reference to the refugee flow. This is a threat that Turkey will continue to hold over the head of the west until more walls are built. It’ll be tres interesting to see what happens if he unleashes the flood before the various nationalist parties are in government.

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  16. Clyde says:

    OT OT OT
    During his political rise, Stephen K. Bannon was a man with no fixed address http://wapo.st/2mvHYXg
    New Washington Post attempt at taking him down.

    In the three years before he became Donald Trump’s chief strategist, Stephen K. Bannon lived as a virtual nomad in a quest to build a populist political insurgency.
    No presidential adviser in recent memory has followed such a mysterious, peripatetic path to the White House. It was as though he was a man with no fixed address.

    In a few months Trump should get some choice intel on Hussein’s birth certificate and leak it to the best reporter at Breitbart. Hussein was born here but my take is the birth certificate will have juicy stuff as far as the father or no father that is listed, the hospital and doctor involved/ Then DJT should have his people unearth and leak if Hussein has ever traveled on an Indonesian/ or other foreign passport. If it is found out that he used an Indonesian passport this leads to whether he registered as a foreign student at Occidental and Columbia.

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  17. Richard S says:

    Are they Dutch citizens? If so, how can they vote in a Turkish plebiscite? If not, what the hell are they doing in Holland?? The EU has free movement internally, but Turkey ain’t in the EU!

    We’re gradually moving back to the historical default setting of relations between Europe and the Turks.

    I hope Putin invites Trump to the thanksgiving Divine Liturgy in Hagia Sophia.

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  18. “Listen Netherlands, you’ll jump once, you’ll jump twice, but my people will thwart your game,” he said. “You can cancel our foreign minister’s flight as much as you want, but let’s see how your flights will come to Turkey now.”

    Even their cadences sound 7th century. Which Sura is he quoting from vs. this enemy the Dutch? And when will he proceed to call upon his deity before beginning the struggle to ‘retake’ land now considered a part of Islam?

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  19. tyrone says:

    imagine what they will be like as host ,oh ,I forgot about Syria,Egypt, et. al.

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  20. Ghj says:

    I’m sorry, but how are Dutch in the right here? You can’t prevent a FOREIGN MINISTER from entering his own consulate without severing diplomatic relations entirely.

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  21. Arclight says:

    Is it possible that the EU’s political elites are waking up to the fact that large numbers of Turks (and other Islamic people) do not integrate by design, rather than because their host countries are not trying hard enough to be welcoming?

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  22. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous
    Actually, the Dutch were Nazi victims.

    Anyhow, how does all this Erdogan banning, and furious backlash, sits with the EU commitment to Turkish membership, visa free travel and closer cooperation, which, remember was the price paid to Turkey for Turkey restricting 'refugee' flow into the EU?

    Brexit looks wiser every day.

    > commitment to Turkish membership

    Turkish membership is 100% down the toilet and will stay there until civilization is rebuilt.

    Is anyone in the EU still making the usual statements about that? It was possibly somewhat fine back in 2000 (I remember The Economist being into that)

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    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
    Doesn't make a difference right now. Turkey is blackmailing the EU for free EU movement, education, and work opportunities for Turkish citizens and development deals that privilege Turkish industries in exchange for not unleashing migrant hell on Europe.
  23. @PiltdownMan
    OT: What's the deal with the Bharara story? Is there a story?

    Piltdown, I am a little pissed, I was hoping that Bharara would take down Andrew Cuomo and I think he was close.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    He's not going to bother with trying to run a broken state. Bharara is skipping right to the front of the line. He's filing for a 2020 POTUS run. Mark my words.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Bharara was also looking into Anthony Weiner aka Carlos Danger whose laptop had copies of Huma's emails. Unexpectedly!
  24. Change the names and places in this story to Trump, NYC and muslim immigrants and the NYT, WaPo and Reuters would have a week’s worth of front page stories But Diblasio wouldn’t let the NYPD mount up or use shields or water cannons.

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  25. Do you think that the Chancellor of a major public university could shore up their finances that way? Just hypothetically speaking, a woman who had served as a Cabinet Undersecretary of a recent President, who is now leading a major Midwestern public university that has endured waves of cuts in state support instigated by a populist governor who is a “college drop out” from a campus in that state system, could she follow the Dutch example?

    Do you think she could invite Charles Murray to speak or maybe even Milo? This invite could be backed up by having the Campus Police, who happen to be State Police, just like Highway Patrol with officers from surrounding communities — for purposes of illustration I’ll call them “Shorewood”, “Middleton”, and “Verona” and maybe even Sheriff’s deputies from what I shall call “Dane County”? Backed up by the full “kit” supplied by Homeland Security and funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, with armored vehicles bearing those cute round emblems depicting the gears of commerce and the “green shoots” of economic growth?

    Do you suppose that showing such resolve in the face of the inevitable Resistance would if not change the Governor’s mind, at least fracture Conservative sniping at the University in that state? Could a university chancellor with political experience properly “triangulate” in this way?

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  26. 2Mintzin1 says:

    Interesting perspective, Mr. Joe. My own gut feeling is that Cuomo II was going to skate, once again (remember HUD?)…but with a new US Attorney, having access to the same info., we may see an indictment.

    To some extent this will depend on whether Trump is is willing to act like a traditional politician and use the prosecutor to take his enemies out. It’s possible that he won’t, and that Andrew will be a presidential candidate next time around.

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  27. Is it helping Wilders, or is the government benefiting from looking tough for the first time since taking office?

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    • Replies: @bored identity
    Trumperntone Window is wide open now...


    It probably helps little bit more to Rutte's flaky centrist-fake-right globalist coalition.

    But don't forget that, although generally pragmatic, Dutchies are also prone to cold anger syndrom more than average American would think.


    bored prediction:
    Gene of Wilders gets election by simple majority, but won't be able to form a coalition government.

    Unfortunatelly, Netherlands will have to go through some catastrophic /catalystic experience before Gert would be able to get needed 60 % landslide victory.
    , @BB753
    The latter, I fear. I'm praying for Wilders to win.
  28. Tiny Duck says:

    whites MUST become a minority in traditionally “white” “nations”

    It is the only way to stop fascism and Nazi like bigotry from growing

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  29. grapesoda says:

    “This behavior against a female minister can never be accepted,” she said.

    Yes, it’s a hundred times worse because it happened to a female. But at the same time women are oppressed and have a lower position in society. I wish I could have the kind of lower position in society where everyone kisses my ass all the time, immediately rushes to my defense whenever anyone else slights me, and transgressions against me are considered far more grievous because of what particular demographic I belong to.

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  30. @PiltdownMan
    OT: What's the deal with the Bharara story? Is there a story?

    D’Souza refers to South Asian stereotypes as he levels plausible scorn:

    “GOOD RIDDANCE DEPT: Obama capo @PreetBharara is a familiar Indian type, subservient to those above him but ruthless with those in his power”

    https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza

    (It’s personal with him since Bharara prosecuted him.)

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    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    D'Souza is pretty scathing. I go back and forth in liking him but I think I'm going to give him some credit for sarcasm and vituperation.
  31. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Buffalo Joe
    Piltdown, I am a little pissed, I was hoping that Bharara would take down Andrew Cuomo and I think he was close.

    He’s not going to bother with trying to run a broken state. Bharara is skipping right to the front of the line. He’s filing for a 2020 POTUS run. Mark my words.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, He is not a politician, and I know, neither was Trump, but DJT was internationally well known. I think he would have a better shot at taking Sen. Gillibrand's seat.
    , @Smokestack Lightning
    Bharara cannot run for president. He was born in India to Indian parents.
  32. @reiner Tor
    Is it helping Wilders, or is the government benefiting from looking tough for the first time since taking office?

    Trumperntone Window is wide open now…

    It probably helps little bit more to Rutte’s flaky centrist-fake-right globalist coalition.

    But don’t forget that, although generally pragmatic, Dutchies are also prone to cold anger syndrom more than average American would think.

    bored prediction:
    Gene of Wilders gets election by simple majority, but won’t be able to form a coalition government.

    Unfortunatelly, Netherlands will have to go through some catastrophic /catalystic experience before Gert would be able to get needed 60 % landslide victory.

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  33. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Diversiurength….Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  34. Steve: It’s “Mussulman,” with a “u.” Doesn’t anyone read Eothen any more? They should: it’s a hoot.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Musselman with an 'e' is a very popular brand of apple sauce in the United States.
    , @ben tillman

    Steve: It’s “Mussulman,” with a “u.” Doesn’t anyone read Eothen any more? They should: it’s a hoot.
     
    "Musulman" -- just one "s".
  35. Svigor says:

    Muslim strongman Erdogan seems to be losing his mind over the approaching vote.

    i.e. when the political class feels threatened by Muslim misbehavior something actually gets done about it.

    Maybe more like the party in power feels Wilders breathing down their necks, sees an opportunity to flex for the cameras.

    the EU commitment to Turkish membership

    Oh you can stick a fork in Turkish EU membership prospects, it’s done. Turkey took a big ole step away from EU membership, and toward Islamism. I doubt there’s any turning back.

    OT: What’s the deal with the Bharara story? Is there a story?

    I was just reading how Trump asked Bharara (along with a lot of other USAs) to resign, and he refused, and now Trump has fired him. Just by chance, yesterday I saw that nobody wants to touch the Pentagon Papers (Panama) with a 50′ pole. Apparently there’s a lot of dirt in there on America’s oligarch class, inter alia, and Bharara wanted to get hold of them. One probably has nothing to do with the other, but…

    I hope Trump has a good reason for firing Bharara. I’d hoped he’d keep him on to continue savaging rich shysters. I hope it’s something more than some Republican with an axe to grind calling in a favor. Maybe it’s just NY politics. Whatever the reason, if Bharara knows it, he seems to be keeping mum.

    New York federal prosecutor Preet Bharara says he was fired by Trump administration

    Going by that, it sounds like there’s been a sea change, and the White House has decided to play hardball (in the wake of the Russia witch hunt), really clean house.

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  36. Eothen, a sample:

    And perhaps as you make your difficult way through a steep and narrow alley, shut in between blank walls, and little frequented by passers, you meet one of those coffin-shaped bundles of white linen that implies an Ottoman lady. Painfully struggling against the obstacles to progression interposed by the many folds of her clumsy drapery, by her big mud-boots, and especially by her two pairs of slippers, she works her way on full awkwardly enough, but yet there is something of womanly consciousness in the very labour and effort with which she tugs and lifts the burthen of her charms. She is closely followed by her women slaves. Of her very self you see nothing except the dark, luminous eyes that stare against
    your face, and the tips of the painted fingers depending like rose-buds from out of the blank bastions of the fortress. She turns, and turns again, and carefully glances around her on all sides, to see that she is safe from the eyes of Mussulmans, and then suddenly withdrawing the yashmak, she shines upon your heart and soul with all the pomp and might of her beauty. And this, it is not the light, changeful grace that leaves you to doubt whether you have fallen in love with a body, or only a soul; it is the beauty that dwells secure in the perfectness of hard, downright outlines, and in the glow of generous colour. There is fire, though, too—high courage and fire enough in the untamed mind, or spirit, or whatever it is, which drives the breath of pride through those scarcely parted lips.

    You smile at pretty women—you turn pale before the beauty that is great enough to have dominion over you. She sees, and exults in your giddiness; she sees and smiles; then presently, with a sudden movement, she lays her blushing fingers upon your arm, and cries out, “Yumourdjak!” (Plague! meaning, “there is a present of the plague for you!”) This is her notion of a witticism. It is a very old piece of fun, no doubt—quite an Oriental Joe Miller; but the Turks are fondly attached, not only to the institutions, but also to the jokes of their ancestors; so the lady’s silvery laugh rings joyously in your ears, and the mirth of her women is boisterous and fresh, as though the bright idea of giving the plague to a Christian had newly lit upon the earth.

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  37. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Ultimately, the price of cheap labor - why else are Turks in the Netherlands other than being the legacy of labor market conditions 50 years ago? - is exceedingly expensive.

    You would have thought that white people learned that lesson 150 years ago.

    Ultimately, the price of cheap labor – why else are Turks in the Netherlands other than being the legacy of labor market conditions 50 years ago? –

    I think the original post WW2 Turks came to Europe, not because of their low price, but because too many European young males had been killed or maimed by the war.

    Which leads us to not only listen to your lesson about cheap labor, but to stop fighting against one another too. The great European civil wars of the 20th century have taken what should have been a European future and turned it into the current state of sorry affairs we have now where the future of the European world is now seemingly in doubt.

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  38. If the Dutch cops will do this for the regime that’s been soft on Muslims, imagine what they will do for Wilders.

    If cops in passive, ultraliberal Holland are patriots just waiting to be unleashed, imagine what American LEOs will do for Trump.

    If crazed Muslims all the way up to Erdogan are so impulsive about the Nazi card, imagine the effect actual ethnic nationalist politicians will have on them.

    God, it did me good to see those water cannons in action.

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  39. @TangoMan
    They carried out charges on horseback, while officers advanced on foot with shields and armored vans. …

    Is it just me or do others look at this sentence construction and see it as implying that the Turkish protestors charged the police while on horseback and the police advanced on foot with shields and armored vans?

    “Several demonstrators were beaten by police with batons, a Reuters witness said. *They* carried out charges on horseback, while officers advanced on foot with shields and armored vans.”

    TangoMan, you are not the only one who is puzzled about the antecedent of the pronoun “They”. It could refer to any of the three plural nouns in the preceding sentence: demonstrators, police, batons. What “They” refers to is ambiguous. The “They” should have been “Police”. (Or, alternatively, “They” might refer to a certain pronoun-happy criminal in Berkeley, California.)

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  40. Mr. Anon says:

    So, if I’m reading this right: The dutch government wanted to keep turkish government officials from stirring up trouble among Turks in The Netherlands, because they thought such trouble would tend to make Geert Wilders point and help him win the election. But in stopping the minister’s visit, the Turks kicked up a row…………..which tends to make Geert Wilders point and might help him win the election. Is that it?

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  41. Mr. Anon says:
    @European-American
    Social Justice Jihadis.

    “If my going will increase tensions, let it be … I am a foreign minister and I can go wherever I want.”

    So great.

    Globalization means having all political feuds everywhere. Fun!

    Everything is political everywhere from everywhere... The mind reels.

    Yes, we westerners have to realize that our countries exist to be convention centers for foreigners to conduct their business……………………Or we could just kick all the f**kers out.

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    It is our burden!

    But we no longer need send forth our best, we just bring home their worst. It seemed unfair and hypocritical to only pretend to bear the burden overseas.


    Take up the White Man's burden, Send forth the best ye breed
    Go bind your sons to exile, to serve your captives' need;
    To wait in heavy harness, On fluttered folk and wild—
    Your new-caught, sullen peoples, Half-devil and half-child.

    Take up the White Man's burden, In patience to abide,
    To veil the threat of terror And check the show of pride;
    By open speech and simple, An hundred times made plain
    To seek another's profit, And work another's gain.

    Take up the White Man's burden, The savage wars of peace—
    Fill full the mouth of Famine And bid the sickness cease;
    And when your goal is nearest The end for others sought,
    Watch sloth and heathen Folly Bring all your hopes to nought.
     

  42. Many become upset or bothered by stuff like this event. I actually get excited and hopeful. The sooner, and the more indisputably and obviously, the conflict escalates, the more likely, quickly, and strongly will Europeans awaken to it for what it truly is.

    Fools will prattle about multiculturalism and so on while girls are being raped behind closed doors; schools, hospitals, and other infrastructure are being overtaxed; pollution increases; etc. – sadly, it’s all just not obvious and undeniable enough.

    But if every day is a riot, if to go into the street for milk at the corner store or to take a simple stroll around the block is to be wade through a riot or be violently assualted – then, perhaps, people will realise they have been invaded by hostile foreigners….

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  43. @TangoMan
    They carried out charges on horseback, while officers advanced on foot with shields and armored vans. …

    Is it just me or do others look at this sentence construction and see it as implying that the Turkish protestors charged the police while on horseback and the police advanced on foot with shields and armored vans?

    “…police with batons…” is the immediately previous plural noun, providing at least some basis for the police’s being the antecedent, but it is indeed really poor composition. What do you expect from a mainstream journalist, though? It’s not as though his whole damned job is to write well….

    (I realise actual research and reporting is critical, too, but they are even worse at that than they are at writing!)

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  44. @The Underfrog

    The Dutch government, which stands to lose heavily to the anti-Islam party of Geert Wilders in elections next week, said it considered the visits undesirable and “the Netherlands could not cooperate in the public political campaigning of Turkish ministers in the Netherlands.”
     
    i.e. when the political class feels threatened by Muslim misbehavior something actually gets done about it.

    Is it that the Dutch political class feel threatened by Muslims or threatened by the prospect of Geert Wilders winning the forthcoming election?

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  45. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article137722458.html

    Visa Expirees

    response to other anon re Visas:

    The application fees are listed below and apply to one visa application. The application fee for the most common nonimmigrant visa types is $160. This includes tourist, business, student, and exchange visas. Most petition-based visas, such as work and religious visas, are US$190.

    This is enough money to actually enforce them. I am extremely happy to see this. Just the notion that we do *anything* regarding Visa enforcement will increase compliance significantly. For the $190, we could simply give the ‘guest’ a smart phone.

    Maybe I’m a bit over the top on this, but logistics technology is quite advanced, and what is this other than a human logistics issue?

    Regardless of the fantasy of the MSM that Trump is running amok, trashing the executive branch — he hasn’t done much. But I have been really impressed at the impact of ‘Tone at the top’ on financial markets and the economy. Especially because so many of his proposals require suspension of disbelief to take as serious proposals. For example, its impossible to help importers and exporters with the same reform. Yet the animal spirits finally arose from the dead.

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  46. @Trelane
    Marine Le Pen may face prosecution for tweeting pictures of Islamic State violence.

    https://youtu.be/Owq0CzKSZk0

    https://youtu.be/XDj11QTQel0

    Its noticeable how RT News has swung in favour of Trump and Le Pen since the western media started blaming the Russians for meddling in the US election.

    However, I still find it a little odd how it manages to get self-confessed progressives like Boiki to take a vaguely nationalistic stance on immigration. Money talks I suppose.

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  47. LondonBob says:

    Trying to take the wind out of Wilders’ sails by also seeming tough? Dutch really won’t like being called Nazi after the famine there.

    The Russians showed how to handle Erdogan.

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  48. I really see no difference between what the Turks are up to and what Pena-Nieto is up to. It’s just a matter of time before something similar happens here, although I doubt any state or local police force would have the nerve to take these people on with force. Hope I’m proved wrong.

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  49. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    What is the solution to European Moral Math?

    Jewish Message to Europeans: “We want you vile hateful white Europeans to submit to us noble Jews and wonderful Muslims.”

    European Message to Jews: “We want to save you noble Jews from those hateful Muslims.”

    ———-
    Other propositions.

    Jewish Message to Muslims: “We want you Muslims to side with us since we supported Muslim migration to the West.”

    Muslim Message to Jews: “We want you Jews to get on your knees and apologize for Zionism and Wars for Israel in the Muslim World. Until you do,the hell with the holocaust.”

    European Message to Muslims: “We want you Muslims to leave noble and saintly Jews alone.”

    Muslim Message to Europeans: “You scum Europeans do the bidding of Jews to destroy the Muslim world, so you owe us.”

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    • Replies: @anon
    A soliloquy by any other name smells just as crazy
  50. BB753 says:
    @reiner Tor
    Is it helping Wilders, or is the government benefiting from looking tough for the first time since taking office?

    The latter, I fear. I’m praying for Wilders to win.

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    But he can't win anyway in the sense that he'll part of the government, can he? The best one can hope for is a strong result which will keep up the pressure on centrists like Rutte.
  51. @Anonymous
    Ultimately, the price of cheap labor - why else are Turks in the Netherlands other than being the legacy of labor market conditions 50 years ago? - is exceedingly expensive.

    You would have thought that white people learned that lesson 150 years ago.

    cheap labor was no problem, the people should simply have been sent back as it was planned in the first place.

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  52. Note btw the plural there: “Mussulmans.”

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  53. Yak-15 says:

    But without all the Dutch-Muslims, how is kickboxing going to survive in Holland? They take the matches the Dutch refuse to take!

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  54. Alan D says:
    @5371
    [This behavior against a female minister can never be accepted]

    She played both the woman and muzzer cards! How did she lose?

    I agree. Anyone with two cards to play should win, especially against the Dutch government, most of whom probably have no cards or one card (for being female).

    The Dutch government needs a disabled black gay or lesbian, or they could go nuclear with a transgender.

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  55. @John Derbyshire
    Note btw the plural there: "Mussulmans."

    “Mussulman” is a Turkicized version of “Muslim”.

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  56. @Buffalo Joe
    Piltdown, I am a little pissed, I was hoping that Bharara would take down Andrew Cuomo and I think he was close.

    Bharara was also looking into Anthony Weiner aka Carlos Danger whose laptop had copies of Huma’s emails. Unexpectedly!

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  57. @Mr. Anon
    Yes, we westerners have to realize that our countries exist to be convention centers for foreigners to conduct their business........................Or we could just kick all the f**kers out.

    It is our burden!

    But we no longer need send forth our best, we just bring home their worst. It seemed unfair and hypocritical to only pretend to bear the burden overseas.

    Take up the White Man’s burden, Send forth the best ye breed
    Go bind your sons to exile, to serve your captives’ need;
    To wait in heavy harness, On fluttered folk and wild—
    Your new-caught, sullen peoples, Half-devil and half-child.

    Take up the White Man’s burden, In patience to abide,
    To veil the threat of terror And check the show of pride;
    By open speech and simple, An hundred times made plain
    To seek another’s profit, And work another’s gain.

    Take up the White Man’s burden, The savage wars of peace—
    Fill full the mouth of Famine And bid the sickness cease;
    And when your goal is nearest The end for others sought,
    Watch sloth and heathen Folly Bring all your hopes to nought.

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  58. @BB753
    The latter, I fear. I'm praying for Wilders to win.

    But he can’t win anyway in the sense that he’ll part of the government, can he? The best one can hope for is a strong result which will keep up the pressure on centrists like Rutte.

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  59. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @John Derbyshire
    Steve: It's "Mussulman," with a "u." Doesn't anyone read Eothen any more? They should: it's a hoot.

    Musselman with an ‘e’ is a very popular brand of apple sauce in the United States.

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  60. @El Dato
    > commitment to Turkish membership

    Turkish membership is 100% down the toilet and will stay there until civilization is rebuilt.

    Is anyone in the EU still making the usual statements about that? It was possibly somewhat fine back in 2000 (I remember The Economist being into that)

    Doesn’t make a difference right now. Turkey is blackmailing the EU for free EU movement, education, and work opportunities for Turkish citizens and development deals that privilege Turkish industries in exchange for not unleashing migrant hell on Europe.

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  61. @Austria
    NATO is to blame. German industry did not want additional, low skilled guest workers. They wanted to move towards automation and told the Government as much. Turkish immigration never made any economic sense, even at the beginning.

    NATO feared that high unemployment in Turkey could enable a communist takeover. So it is was decided that a guest-worker program for Turks could alleviate this presumed short term problem. All of this was revealed about ten years ago, based on disclosed documents.

    Turks even go so far as to claim that they rebuilt Germany right after 1945 and enabled the German economic miracle. A lot of young Germans believe this nonsense now. I've even seen american right wing bloggers who accepted this absurd claim.

    Yes, totally correct. There were strong concerns about extending the guest worker programme to Turks, American pressure and foreign policy considerations played a major role in overcoming those objections in the early 1960s. Probably the most disastrous decision ever taken in Germany after 1945, far worse in retrospect than anything Walter Ulbricht or Erich Honecker did.
    And economically it was a net loss (unlike with the Southern Europeans who mostly kept to the deal and went home again, and if they stayed didn’t cause any significant trouble), any short-term economic gains have been easily dwarfed by the payments given out to Turkish welfare recipients.

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  62. @Anon
    He's not going to bother with trying to run a broken state. Bharara is skipping right to the front of the line. He's filing for a 2020 POTUS run. Mark my words.

    Anon, He is not a politician, and I know, neither was Trump, but DJT was internationally well known. I think he would have a better shot at taking Sen. Gillibrand’s seat.

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    Anon, He is not a politician, and I know, neither was Trump, but DJT was internationally well known. I think he would have a better shot at taking Sen. Gillibrand’s seat.
     
    Neither was Rudy Giuliani, who had a stronger record of going after Wall Street, at least in terms of high profile prosecutions (Millken and Boesky) and who broke up the mob, too.

    Bharara has the same pitbull temperament, and I'm guessing the Senate would be a snooze fest to someone with his personality. New York City mayor would be a better fit, or perhaps Governor of New York, which was Eliot Spitzer's progression.

    But he'll have to swallow his very evident, publicly expressed distaste of the corruption in both those arenas, which he knows all too well about—in detail. He'll have to compromise and deal with people he knows to be crooked.

    Not an easy transition.

  63. @Trelane
    Marine Le Pen may face prosecution for tweeting pictures of Islamic State violence.

    https://youtu.be/Owq0CzKSZk0

    https://youtu.be/XDj11QTQel0

    I definitely don’t suffer from Boikophobia.

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  64. @Anon
    He's not going to bother with trying to run a broken state. Bharara is skipping right to the front of the line. He's filing for a 2020 POTUS run. Mark my words.

    Bharara cannot run for president. He was born in India to Indian parents.

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  65. @PennTothal
    D'Souza refers to South Asian stereotypes as he levels plausible scorn:

    "GOOD RIDDANCE DEPT: Obama capo @PreetBharara is a familiar Indian type, subservient to those above him but ruthless with those in his power"

     

    https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza


    (It's personal with him since Bharara prosecuted him.)

    D’Souza is pretty scathing. I go back and forth in liking him but I think I’m going to give him some credit for sarcasm and vituperation.

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    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    I think I'm on the other side.

    D'Souza's done, as far as I'm concerned. He always came across as a bit too eager to please his new-found compatriots, and turned out have shaky personal integrity. And he's really got nothing on Bharara except personal hatred and juvenile mockery. I prefer my sarcasm and vituperation leavened with wit and intelligence.

  66. “Several demonstrators were beaten by police with batons,” a Reuters witness said. “They carried out charges on horseback, while officers advanced on foot with shields and armored vans.”
    This is just poorly written. It doesn’t even say that demonstrators were beaten with batons, only that they were beaten by police who were in possession of batons.
    If it’s an actual quote, though, there’s nothing for it but to puzzle out the actual meaning. It actually does sound more like the demonstrators were on horseback…

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  67. @John Derbyshire
    Steve: It's "Mussulman," with a "u." Doesn't anyone read Eothen any more? They should: it's a hoot.

    Steve: It’s “Mussulman,” with a “u.” Doesn’t anyone read Eothen any more? They should: it’s a hoot.

    “Musulman” — just one “s”.

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    You could say that the Golden State Warriors were Musselmen when Eric Musselman was coach.
  68. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    What is the solution to European Moral Math?

    Jewish Message to Europeans: "We want you vile hateful white Europeans to submit to us noble Jews and wonderful Muslims."

    European Message to Jews: "We want to save you noble Jews from those hateful Muslims."

    ----------
    Other propositions.

    Jewish Message to Muslims: "We want you Muslims to side with us since we supported Muslim migration to the West."

    Muslim Message to Jews: "We want you Jews to get on your knees and apologize for Zionism and Wars for Israel in the Muslim World. Until you do,the hell with the holocaust."

    European Message to Muslims: "We want you Muslims to leave noble and saintly Jews alone."

    Muslim Message to Europeans: "You scum Europeans do the bidding of Jews to destroy the Muslim world, so you owe us."

    A soliloquy by any other name smells just as crazy

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  69. Good for nothing Fibbies should start FARA investigation against Councilman Nowakovski for his connections with an agent of a foreign power :

    https://www.phoenix.gov/news/district7/1664

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  70. @Formerly CARealist
    D'Souza is pretty scathing. I go back and forth in liking him but I think I'm going to give him some credit for sarcasm and vituperation.

    I think I’m on the other side.

    D’Souza’s done, as far as I’m concerned. He always came across as a bit too eager to please his new-found compatriots, and turned out have shaky personal integrity. And he’s really got nothing on Bharara except personal hatred and juvenile mockery. I prefer my sarcasm and vituperation leavened with wit and intelligence.

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  71. Foreign Agenda of La Esperanza de Mexico – Only in America !

    Trump’s US DoJ should immediately grant persona non grata status to this foreign citizen individual (you know, for Russians are meddling in US domestic affairs,and stuff…) and use snippets from Obrador’s speech to inform normies about AMLO’s ongoing Tour de Reconquista 2017.

    You have to go to Obrador’s official website (in Spanish only, naturalmente) to find out
    that AMLO was in El Paso on March 7, and in Phoenix on March 8;

    http://lopezobrador.org.mx/2017/03/06/anuncia-amlo-que-el-nuevo-gobierno-restablecera-la-zona-libre-a-largo-de-toda-la-frontera-de-estados-unidos/

    During El Paso rally, Obrador informed his supporters that next week he will go to Washington headquarters of the UN and IACHR to present a protest letter and a legal complaint against DJT and his administration’s orders to build the wall and persecute migrants in the United States.

    Also, if elected, Obrador promised to create tax free zone along Mexico-USA border:

    “I want to tell you that along the 3,185 kilometers of border with the United States, a free zone will be created to promote investment, productive and technological development, as well as the creation of jobs,” he said.

    He indicated that this will be the last curtain to keep workers in Mexico.

    Throughout the 3185 kilometers, in a strip of at least 20 kilometers wide, a program of fiscal incentives will be applied to the productive investment; The prices of fuels and electric energy will be reduced and workers’ wages will be increased.

    The terrible social deterioration and the crisis of criminal violence that currently suffers at the border and throughout our country is due to the failure of the neoliberal economic model that implied to cancel the policy of promotion to the field and produced poverty and forced migration, that is to say , the expulsion of Mexicans from their places of origin, “Obrador said.

    The president of the National Executive Committee of MORENA reported on measures and actions to follow:

    1.Mexican customs are going to travel south 20 to 100 kilometers from the dividing line.

    2. In the free zone will be reduced the Income Tax (ISR) to 20%.

    3. The value-added tax (VAT) will be 8% on average, half of what is charged at present. Specifically, in the border cities of Mexico the same tax rate will be applied as on the US side. That is, on the boundaries with California 8.5, Arizona 8.2, New Mexico 7.5, and the border with Texas 8.2.

    4. Special taxes will be reduced to production and services (IEPS) to establish tariffs and prices equal to those of the United States in gasoline, diesel and electric energy.

    5. In the whole free zone, the minimum wage will be increased to at least twice that currently stipulated. This is a matter of justice and no risk of inflation because there will be, as we have said, a reduction of VAT and energy prices; so by raising wages and lowering other prices, the general level of prices would be equal or even go down.

    The purpose is to gradually achieve the gap between wages in that strip of Mexico and those of the United States.
    At present a worker working in a automotive assembly plant on the Mexican side earns from 3.5 to 4 dollars per hour, while a worker in the automotive industry on this side receives 34 dollars per hour, that is, 8 to 10 times more .

    6. In all cities in Mexico’s border free zone, a comprehensive urban development plan will be implemented, including land use planning, water introduction, drainage, street paving, housing, Nurseries, sports facilities, cultural spaces, schools, hospitals and other works and services.

    “We will begin this plan in 2018, along with the entire transformation process of Mexico.

    From then on we will be applying the program of information to the American population about the irrationality of the campaign against Mexico and giving priority to the protection of the migrants in the unjust persecution of the government of Donald Trump, “he said.

    Civic information committees will be integrated in all counties in Texas and New Mexico. The newspaper Regeneración, which is already published in English, will be distributed in this region of the United States.

    A law office for the defense of migrants will be created in Ciudad Juárez.

    Obradore announced that the coordination of all these works will be in charge of the ambassador Héctor Vasconcelos and attorney Rafael Espino as well as the members of the municipal and state committees of MORENA Ciudad Juárez and Chihuahua.

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  72. Again, on February 12, 2017. Mexican Presidential candidate, and the leader of Mexican National Regeneration Movement (MORENA) Andrés Manuel López Obrador delivered revealing olla podrida of Hitler,Brotherhood & Sisterhood, Lebensraum, Bible, Roosevelt, Hate (6x), UN, and MLK during his campaign speech in…Los Angeles!

    Speech by Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) in Los Angeles, California

    02/12/2017

    From time immemorial the migrant has been both reviled and defended in different parts of the world.

    I quote verbatim from the Bible: “You shall not exploit the humble and poor laborer, whether he be one of your brothers or a stranger living in your cities.” (Deuteronomy 24.14).

    But as history has shown us, this principle is often broken, and, beyond this, the persecution of migrants has been used for political purposes. This is how we must understand what is happening today in the United States of America.

    Today’s anti-migrant campaign is not only an economic issue, but fundamentally a political one. A specific group is taking advantage of the rise of nationalistic sentiments that permeate here and throughout the world.

    The discontent in the U.S. is due of course to unemployment and low wages, just as people were upset about inflation in Germany before Hitler. But to blame these misfortunes on particular social or cultural groups, domestic or foreign, has an obvious political implication.

    Donald Trump and his advisers have benefitted from stirring up certain sectors of U.S. society against immigrants and, particularly, those of Mexican nationality.

    The discourse of hate and the viciousness against foreigners enabled them to win the presidency and they assume they are going to remain in power and be re-elected by feeding the hatred of some groups against others.

    We must not underestimate the capacity of those currently in the United States government; they are not stupid. Donald Trump’s belligerent discourse follows a cold and calculated political strategy. The content, the technique and the propaganda used are inspired in the theory developed during the 20th century regarding the defense of “living space” (lebensraum) against supposed external enemies combined with the glorification of superiority and patriotism.

    It was a mistake not to call more attention during the U.S. presidential campaign to the efficacy of this political strategy grounded in awakening hatred and nationalism.

    It was either not considered particularly important or people in the U.S. did not know how to counteract it. But there is still time to address the causes of the problem and lessen the damage, starting with a recognition that this phobia against the outsider is now deeply ingrained.

    A few days ago, several newspapers published a story about an American couple who had dinner at a restaurant in Texas and on the bill they left a message that said: “The food was delicious and the service was good; however, the owner is Mexican, so we will not come back,” finally adding Trump’s signature phrase, “America first.”

    These clever but intolerant and irresponsible neofascists now in power want to build walls in order to turn the United States into an enormous ghetto.

    Mexicans in general, and in particular our countrymen who have immigrated to the US, fulfill the same function today as the Jewish people who were stigmatized and persecuted during Hitler’s time.

    This is why, in light of such barbarism, we must not limit our actions to protests and denunciations in the international arena, but rather we must take on the essential task of informing people within the United States itself.

    Right here we must stand up to the campaign of hatred and the violation of human rights.

    We must focus our attention in particular on those Americans of good will, and there are a great many, to help them see that they are being victims of manipulation and deceit.

    We need to pay special attention to Americans living in rural areas and small towns, those Americans that hold civic, moral and spiritual values, but, nevertheless, live in hopelessness and are being poisoned with hate against migrant workers.

    Let us remember that Trump won in 2,548 counties, while Hillary Clinton won only in 472, even though these represent 64 per cent of U.S. economic activity.

    But it is in the small counties where the people who were most affected by the 2008 economic recession live and it is there, where the majority of the workforce is Anglo Saxon, that the industrial jobs have not been recovered.

    In contrast, in the last few years new jobs have been created principally in the service sector in large metropolitan areas, where there is a higher share of Latin American, Asian an African American workers.

    We need to communicate with those populations most hurt by the economic recession.

    We should explain with solid arguments the causes of the crisis which affects them.

    We must help them to see that migrants are not to blame for their unemployment or for the reduction of their salaries or wellbeing.

    The blame lies with an elitist government that punishes all of those on the bottom rungs of society and the middle class while benefitting those on the top.

    We must explain, for instance, that when the 2008 crisis hit, the government first saved bankrupt financial institutions instead of helping the people.

    We have to talk to them about poor income distribution, and about how while they pay a great deal in taxes, the wealthy pay very little.

    <b.We also need to inform them that the largest industrial plants installed in Mexico belong to American investors or businessmen who export both merchandise and profits back to the United States, leaving very few jobs or taxes in our country.

    Many of the plants are highly automated so that they can increase production without an intensive use of labor.

    Generating employment here in the U.S. therefore does not solely depend on companies not leaving the United States but on many other factors.

    That is the case in Mexico, where despite all of the talk about the supposed success of our export model, our economy has remained stagnant for more than three decades.

    The promotion of an elitist economic system does not lead to economic development or job creation.

    Trump often argues that the United States buys more from Mexico than it sells, that there is a $60 billion dollar deficit.

    This is not entirely true, because our exports contain a high percentage of U.S. capital, technology and inputs.

    In other words, if it were true that the North American Trade Agreement (NAFTA) only benefited Mexico, our economy would not have stagnated nor would there be migration to the United States.

    In 1970, when exports represented only 7.8% of Mexico´s GDP, the economic growth was at 6.5% annually. In contrast, today, when exports amount to 35.3% of GDP, our economy grows by only 2.5% annually.

    Mexico therefore is not growing based on our trade with the United States. Although we export a high value, we also import the majority of that value.

    These and other arguments should be disseminated in the United States.

    By offering sound reasons we can convince the population affected by the economic crisis that, without hate and rancor, it is possible to build better societies on both sides of the border grounded in the ideals of justice and universal brotherhood and sisterhood.

    Instead of hostility, the best for our respective peoples and nations is respect, mutual understanding and cooperation for development.

    In this context, we call on US scholars and intellectuals with civic, social and democratic values to draw up a plan by which we can convince and persuade workers and the middle class in the United States that migrants are not their enemies, but brothers and sisters, admirable human beings who, just like the founders of this great nation, were forced to leave their places of origin out of need, not because they desired to.

    We must counteract Trump’s strategy with a commitment to fundamental principles: not with shouts and insults responding to their provocations, but with intelligence, wisdom and dignity, with non-violence.

    This is a battle we must undertake in the terrain of ideas. It is a struggle against those who encourage selfishness and in defense of the forgotten ones, so that we can together stop the growth of resentment against those who are from another class, nationality or religion. To the discourse of hate we must respond with the spiritual principle of love for others.

    To incite hate against migrants is to attack all of humanity. We became human when we set out from our places of origin and strode forth.

    Our ancestors, of all of us, left Africa, reached the Middle East and Europe, possibly even Mexico. It has been demonstrated that they then settled in Asia and from there they populated the American Continent.

    Migration is the foundation of nations and this great country of the United States is an example. The strength of modern cultures is in the sum of all the influences, languages, and knowledge which have contributed to their creation.

    Humans have moved a great deal and have populated almost the entire world, but we all come from one same home. Today we acknowledge our shared history through the universal value of brotherhood and sisterhood.

    That is why, when a wall is built to segregate people or when the word “foreigner” is used to insult, disparage or discriminate others, humanity, intelligence and history themselves are being insulted.

    However, I am optimistic.

    I believe that the wall and the demagoguery of chauvinism will not survive in the face of the talent and dignity of the people of the United States.

    I wager that with clear argumentation, the strength of public opinion will manage to bring to reason those who, like Donald Trump, today choose to use threats and force.

    Dear friends:

    Here in the state of California, a blessed refuge for migrants, I would like to remember and honor César Chávez, an exceptional activist and leader, who taught us that freedom is not implored, but conquered.

    Here, from Los Angeles, we want to express to all Mexicans on this side of the border our most sincere solidarity, an active, committed, impassioned and fraternal one, and also make this solidarity extensive to all of the Latin American and other migrants from the entire world.

    I would like to inform you that our movement has established a special commission in the state of California, headed by Héctor Vasconcelos, Morena’s Secretary of Mexicans Abroad and International Politics, and Jaime Bonilla, President of Morena’s Baja California State Committee, that will be in charge of the following tasks:

    Coordinating work with scholars and activists to draw up a plan for the creation of committees at the county level and for disseminating a message of reason and fellowship to the U.S. population.

    We will use the mass media and social networks in order to make information available in English and in Spanish in the United States.

    We will also publish a special edition of the Regeneración newspaper to be distributed outside of churches, union halls, stadiums, supermarkets, public spaces and shopping malls.

    The committee that represents us will bring together lawyers for the defense of migrants from Mexico as well as from other parts of the world.

    We shall build bridges and work together with other social, civic and migrant organizations in the U.S. in order to act jointly in the defense of human rights and against racial discrimination.

    If in the coming days the Mexican government does not present a formal complaint to the United Nations regarding human rights violations by the United States against Mexicans, we will do so ourselves.

    We demand compliance with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, to which all signatories to the UN are committed to abide by.

    Specifically, Article 1º states: “All human beings are born free and equal in their dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.”

    Dear friends: At this time so full of threats and stridency, let us not lose sight of a U.S. president, a giant, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who in 1941 pronounced his commitment to defend four fundamental human freedoms:

    Freedom of speech.
    Freedom of worship.
    Freedom from want.
    Freedom from fear.

    I want to thank each of you for being here in this famous Plaza Olvera of Los Angeles.

    Rest assured that we are working to confront hunger and poverty in our country so that in the not too distant future no one is forced to emigrate and people can find work where they were born, near their families, in their environment, and with their own traditions and culture.

    We are fighting against corruption, which is Mexico’s principle problem.

    We have the firm conviction as well as the moral authority necessary to completely eradicate it.

    At the same time, we will be observing closely so as to prevent mistreatment against migrants from Mexico and the rest of the world.

    Next week I will travel to Chicago and over the following month, I will be visiting seven other cities in the United States.

    I am committed to returning to Los Angeles.

    We shall meet again.

    Friends, Mexicans, U.S. citizens, citizens of the world:

    The most important priority is neither the United States nor the American continent. What is truly important is to build here on this earth the kingdom of justice and universal brotherhood and sisterhood.

    As Martin Luther King used to say: “Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that. Hatred cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.”

    https://nacla.org/news/2017/03/09/speech-andr%C3%A9s-manuel-l%C3%B3pez-obrador-los-angeles-california

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  73. @ben tillman

    Steve: It’s “Mussulman,” with a “u.” Doesn’t anyone read Eothen any more? They should: it’s a hoot.
     
    "Musulman" -- just one "s".

    You could say that the Golden State Warriors were Musselmen when Eric Musselman was coach.

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  74. @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, He is not a politician, and I know, neither was Trump, but DJT was internationally well known. I think he would have a better shot at taking Sen. Gillibrand's seat.

    Anon, He is not a politician, and I know, neither was Trump, but DJT was internationally well known. I think he would have a better shot at taking Sen. Gillibrand’s seat.

    Neither was Rudy Giuliani, who had a stronger record of going after Wall Street, at least in terms of high profile prosecutions (Millken and Boesky) and who broke up the mob, too.

    Bharara has the same pitbull temperament, and I’m guessing the Senate would be a snooze fest to someone with his personality. New York City mayor would be a better fit, or perhaps Governor of New York, which was Eliot Spitzer’s progression.

    But he’ll have to swallow his very evident, publicly expressed distaste of the corruption in both those arenas, which he knows all too well about—in detail. He’ll have to compromise and deal with people he knows to be crooked.

    Not an easy transition.

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  75. Don’t mess with the Dutch – they’re nuts!

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Here's some other dike pluggers.

    With 1000 Dutch kiddies playing along on their drum kits.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6UbfJYJW8c
  76. Olorin says:
    @Desiderius
    Don't mess with the Dutch - they're nuts!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8sEo53HYtE

    Here’s some other dike pluggers.

    With 1000 Dutch kiddies playing along on their drum kits.

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