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From Google, the top 11 American scientists:

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From Microsoft’s Bing, the top 11 American scientists:

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Try it for yourself, it’s fun!

In Google’s estimation, the top 11 American scientists are 10 blacks and Albert Einstein.

In Bing’s estimation, the top 11 American scientists are 3 blacks and eight whites: Einstein, Franklin, Tesla, Bell, Watson, Oppenheimer, Sagan, and Hubble.

At Bing, Black History Month is February. But at Google, Black History Month is year-round, 365/24.

Now, it’s quite possible that Google thinks that when you ask for “American scientists” you must be asking for “African-American scientists” because who could be so racist in the Current Year to ask for American scientists irrespective of race?

I did American inventors a couple of years ago.

But when it comes to the really important searches, such as for American Computer Scientists, Google doesn’t go in for blackwashing. Sergey is #4 and Sergey’s former teacher, the extremely nonvibrant Donald Knuth, is #1.

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Also, here is Google’s top 11 American artists (I’m using top 11 because of the way the first picture is offset.)

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So, six blacks and five whites among American artists. Unfortunately, Bing doesn’t give pictures for this one.

 
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  1. Mr. Anon says:

    I didn’t know Albert Einstein was black. You learn somethin’ every day.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @The Alarmist
  2. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:

    Now google “Germans”.

  3. syonredux says:

    Pro-Black racial agenda to one side, I am rather annoyed by Einstein slipping in. His status as an American was a purely legal affair. Plus, both the Special and General Theories were develpoed before he moved to the USA.

    In a perfect world, Josiah Willard Gibbs would have the number one position as greatest American scientist….

  4. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Einstein moved to the US in his 50s.

  5. Our artists suck, mostly.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @ACommenter
  6. lavoisier says: • Website

    This really is something!

    I knew about the black dominance in sports, but I never knew that they were also so dominant in science and innovation!

    Thanks to Google for enlightening me to the truth.

  7. bomag says:

    Google hates white people.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @BB753
  8. Another example of moral instruction from our new overlords….

  9. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    Let’s see, a decent top ten might look something like this

    Josiah Willard Gibbs

    Wright Bros

    Thomas Edison

    Linus Pauling

    Thomas Hunt Morgan

    Edwin Hubble

    Sewall Wright

    Benjamin Franklin

    Claude Shannon

    Charles Sanders Peirce

  10. Wilkey says:

    According to Wikipedia there are 377 American Nobel laureates. Of course some of those, such as Barack Obama, who demonstrated what an entitled ass he was by not refusing his Nobel, dont really count, but that still leaves probably, oh, 330 or so “real” science laureates, not a one of whom is black, and none of whom is Carl Sagan. And those are just the 330 scientists the Nobel Committee has bothered to recognize in the ~120 years it has been around, not counting those who died before they could be recognized and those it may have unfairly ignored.

    So *at least* 330 people have been passed over for Google to get to its list of “American scientists,” if you want to try to put any kind of number on it. You could probably also throw in all the members of the National Academy of Science, which *currently* has about 2,000 members, not counting all the former members who have gone to their eternal reward.

    Google doesn’t even have plausible deniability here. They have been more than happy to tweak their search algortithm in the past to come up with more accurate results, but they don’t seem to care about this one.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
  11. anon[350] • Disclaimer says:

    One can argue that it would be less biased to purposefully bar all blacks from a list of great scientists than it is to purposefully over-represent them.
    1. If you bar them, you exclude at most one or two great black scientists and the remainig list is still 95% true to reality.
    2. If you purposefully over-represent blacks, you bar many more than one or two great white scientists, as this list does. The resulting list is also a gross distortion of reality and misleads all students as to what consitutes great science.
    If the choice handed to us by Google is between worshiping blacks or oppressing them, then opression is the fairer choice.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  12. @syonredux

    Kip Thorne

    Charles Sanders Peirce is a very good one…..his home in Port Jervis is designated as National Monument….now why exactly does America have to import Hindu Legal Immigrants?

    Charles Sanders Peirce’s father not to shabby either……and don’t forget the Birkoffs…father and son….

  13. a says:

    “American mathematicians” produces a dubious looking list as well. “American physicists” looks right.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @lhtness
  14. syonredux says:
    @stillCARealist

    There are some good Anglo-American artists:

    Thomas Eakins

    Winslow Homer

    Whistler

    Sargent

    Hopper

  15. @Wilkey

    Actually Sagan illustrates a manosphere observation about how some men have the ability to monopolize a series of women during their fertile years and start families with them. Sagan fathered children with each of his three wives, like President Trump. This has the effect of increasing the population of incels.

  16. Fourier says:

    Now, it’s quite possible that Google thinks that when you ask for “American scientists” you must be asking for “African-American scientists” because who could be so racist in the Current Year to ask for American scientists irrespective of race?

    Steve, you seem to be implying this was done with intent? I haven’t yet seen the evidence.

    Googles AI algos have made some HBD related observations in the past, like accidentally labeling black africans as gorillas and the “three black teenagers” being criminals image search fiasco. It’s possible Google’s algos just made a mistaken relationship here due to people who search terms similar to “American scientists” usually looking for African American Scientists. Googles objective is not to give you the top scientists by ability, it’s trying to give the most likely relevant scientists based on the search results of people who make similar searches. I do agree though that the results would probably have been changed intentionally if they were biased against great black scientists.

    • Agree: Sean, Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  17. Weren’t the Wright Brothers from the Punjab Region of India?

    • Replies: @reactionry
    , @Lofasz
  18. @syonredux

    Honorable mention to the chemist Mary Sherman Morgan, who invented the rocket fuel Hydyne.

  19. syonredux says:

    Google response for American writers is comparatively decent:Hemingway, Twain, Faulkner, Baldwin, Douglas, Fitzgerald, Melville, Steinbeck, Morrisson….Of course, blacks still get three out of the first nine….

    https://www.google.com/search?ei=UuQmXJuwAomV0gKvlbvQDw&q=american+writers&oq=american+writers&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0l10.2845.7189..8537…0.0..0.480.2964.7j1j3j1j2….2..0….1..gws-wiz…….0i71j0i67j0i131.3HWWLfzpSpk

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  20. Declane says:

    “American writers” is one that Google gets right. Google’s result of Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison is surely more relevant to American writing than Bing’s result of George R.R. Martin and Stephen King.

  21. @syonredux

    Hopper’s painting looks like an illustration of a scene from Ayn Rand’s novel, The Fountainhead.

    • Replies: @Laugh Track
  22. @War for Blair Mountain

    Charles Sanders Peirce influenced Noam Chomsky…….abduction…..

  23. Don’t forget Skunkworks……

    and

    Leroy Gruman…..

  24. njguy73 says:
    @syonredux

    Josiah Willard Gibbs

    Wright Bros

    Thomas Edison

    Linus Pauling

    Thomas Hunt Morgan

    Edwin Hubble

    Sewall Wright

    Benjamin Franklin

    Claude Shannon

    Charles Sanders Peirce

    Google result: UNPERSON

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  25. Bubba says:

    What happened to Jasper Johns? Even though Obama gave him a Medal of Freedom, I guess he has been Stalinized from Google due to his lowered status according to iSteve’s Intersectionality Pyramid. For cryin’ out loud, he was even immortalized on “The Simpsons” !

  26. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:

    So, this is the most powerful company in the world that most people rely on for information.

    I wonder who is responsible. The top oligarchs or underlings who majored in social sciences.

    Granted, the big shots can order the algorithm to be corrected, but maybe they like it this way because Jewish Power relies on white obedience. It just so happens that white guilt and white cuckiness are most effective in suppressing white pride and independence.

    Or maybe the Google oligarchs don’t like the results but remain mum about their PC commissar employees because they could be charged for ‘racism’ to opposing the Diversity agenda of the lower-level social-science major employees.

  27. @a

    “American economists” is fine, too, as is “American psychologists.”

    In general, the silly lists are ones that K-12 would be assigned to do a report on. The college level lists have much less racial propagandizing.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  28. istevefan says:

    At Bing, Black History Month is February. But at Google, Black History Month is year-round, 365/24.

    McDonalds came out with a Black 365 site a few years back.

    Here is the McDonald’s Black 365 twitter

    Here is one web page for McDonald’s 365 Black.

    Here is another. I don’t know the reason for the separate pages.

    • Replies: @contriturated anon
  29. And then there is that retard of Irish Ancestry….Robert Phelan Langland…

  30. Black Revisionist History Month . . . fixtit4ya. To be fair, it’s mostly not blacks doing this. It’s academia’s side office in the greater Ministry of Troof, with its legions of shrieking Antifa die-versity infants. Here are some recent victims of their disinfo campaign: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-28/outrage-after-swedish-tv-downplays-gruesome-isis-beheadings-issues-prison-threat . These two girls were true believers in kumbaya. More to come.

  31. @Declane

    Bing’s American Writers top 11 include a couple of authors of recent Young Adult fiction, like The Maze Runner. Not very good from a historical perspective, but presumably that’s what kids click on.

  32. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier

    Google “Germans”

  33. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag

    Google “Germans”

  34. @advancedatheist

    At least it wasn’t “billions and billions”. Carl Sagan may have been good scientist, but in the later part of his life was nothing but a promoter of himself as the guy to explain science to laymen. His Johnny Carson appearances (with his “billions and billions”, per Carson imitation) were likely a good thing for the promotion of Astronomy, at least. However, his nuclear winter bit was nothing but erroneous scaremongering.

    I remember the big “Choose Life” T-shirt thing going on, based on Carl Sagan’s political view that the Cold Warriors among us apparently were choosing death. Like a lot of things, it quickly became a joke, with the “Choose Beer” T-shirts appearing soon after.

    Take Carl Sagan off the list, please.

    • Agree: Bill H
    • Replies: @reactionry
    , @lavoisier
  35. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:
    @advancedatheist

    Did he divorce them as he moved along?

  36. istevefan says:

    The problem isn’t just that the list is cherry-picked to be full of blacks, but there are cases where the blacks on the list get credit for inventing something unique when what they actually did was improve upon an existing technique that probably would have been improved upon without their input. But people are being taught that the black inventor came up with it.

    You will see this a lot on twitter when someone tries to counter an argument that Europeans have been overwhelmingly responsible for the modern world. The counter argument will list scores of items like blood transfusions and claim blacks invented it. And I see from your list above, right on cue, Dr. Drew is on it.

    Add blood transfusions to peanut butter, cell phones, traffic signals and gas masks among other great inventions that get attributed to blacks.

  37. Edwin Hall….The Hall Effect…..uncovered Maxwell’s biggest mistake…..which became a direct road to the most powerful model for quantum computers….topological quantum computers=Microsoft Q Station…and at least two Nobel Prizes……

  38. @Steve Sailer

    I just did “American Bloggers”. I got only one pic, and that was of a sexy girl in a thin-strapped tank-top. Do you know her, Steve?

    I didn’t see you on there, but if I keep pounding the living shit out of google with this search, from various locations, I may get Peak Stupidity up there in lights. I ain’t wearing no tank top though…

    BTW, I really thought that you must have had some odd things saved in cookies or on google servers by IP or something, so I tried this same search. Sure enough, I see the same with a slightly different order of the pictures … wicked Orwellian.

  39. Mike Pink says:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/as-police-struggle-to-solve-homicides-baltimore-residents-see-an-open-season-for-killing/2018/12/26/7ee561e4-fb24-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html?utm_term=.6a276e88e771

    As Police Struggle to Solve Homicides, Baltimore Residents See an ‘Open Season for Killing’
    Wesley Lowery, Steven Rich, and Salwan Georges, Washington Post, December 27, 2018

    {snip}

    As Baltimore has seen a stunning surge of violence, with nearly a killing each day for the past three years in a city of 600,000, homicide arrests have plummeted. City police made an arrest in 41 percent of homicides in 2014; last year, the rate was just 27 percent, a 14 percentage point drop.

    Of 50 of the nation’s largest cities, Baltimore is one of 34 where police now make homicide arrests less often than in 2014, according to a Washington Post analysis. In Chicago, the homicide arrest rate has dropped 21 percentage points, in Boston it has dropped 12 points and in St. Louis it is down 9.

    Baltimore is also one of 30 cities that have seen an increase in homicides in recent years, with the greatest raw number increase in killings of any city other than Chicago, which has four times the population. While homicide rates remain near historical lows in most American cities, Baltimore and Chicago are now both seeing murder tallies that rival the early 2000s.

    The wave of violence here began not long after the April 2015 death of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black man arrested in West Baltimore and placed — hands cuffed and legs shackled — in the back of a police van. There, he suffered a severe neck injury and lost consciousness. He died in the hospital about a week later.

    Gray’s death prompted massive protests that at times turned to riots. The years since have come with a documented officer slowdown — patrol officers say they are hesitant to leave their vehicles and have made fewer subjective stops of people on Baltimore’s streets. That, coupled with a crisis of police legitimacy as residents express distrust and frustration with the force, has fueled a public safety emergency in parts of the city, community leaders say.

    “It’s an open market, open season for killing,” said Alston, whose son Tariq was murdered in 2008. “After Freddie Gray, things just went berserk.”

    A dramatic shift in 2015

    While there is evidence for and against a nationwide Ferguson effect — the theory that crime increased after 2014 as police faced more scrutiny following the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo. — in Baltimore there is an indisputable Freddie Gray effect. As violence in the city has risen since 2015, the likelihood of a killer being arrested has dropped precipitously.

    For most of the decade before 2015, Baltimore’s annual homicide arrest rate hovered at about 40 percent. Since 2015, the arrest rate hasn’t topped 30 percent in any year. And while most cities saw their arrest rates drop gradually, Baltimore’s decline was sudden — plummeting 15 percentage points in 2015, after Gray’s death, the largest single-year drop for any city already solving less than half its homicides.

    {snip}

    {snip} In many cases, detectives struggle to find cooperative witnesses. Police grapple with community relationships still deeply singed by the unrest that followed Gray’s death. And, perhaps most crucial, the department’s homicide detectives are overwhelmed.

    Each Baltimore detective, on average, now is responsible for nine homicide cases and, with other suspicious deaths factored in, about 31 total active cases, Tuggle said.

    A Post analysis of homicides nationwide found that major police departments that have success in making arrests generally assign detectives fewer than five cases a year.

    {snip}

    Community leaders and residents say that leaves hundreds of families who have been robbed of a loved one without a chance at seeing justice done. Of the 1,002 homicides between 2015 and the beginning of this year, just 252 — one out of every four — resulted in an arrest.

    {snip}

    The killings, both solved and unsolved, are clustered in a small number of the city’s neighborhoods — even as the citywide homicide rate has soared, there are neighborhoods that are safer today than they were before Gray’s death in 2015.

    The ‘butterfly’ effect

    The neighborhoods that have seen the most violence are familiar to social scientists and experts in Baltimore: They fall within what is known as the city’s black “butterfly,” a set of neighborhoods that spread out to the east and west of the city’s center.

    Homicides have soared in several neighborhoods since Gray’s death. Sandtown-Winchester, where Gray died, has seen 22 more homicides in the three-year period since Gray’s death than it did in the three years before he died. Southwest Baltimore saw its homicides rise by 35, and Greater Rosemont has seen 26 more since 2015.

    In each of those neighborhoods, police make an arrest in fewer than 25 percent of cases, including 16 percent in Sandtown-Winchester.

    These areas long have been among the city’s most economically depressed and, because of years of residential segregation, populated almost exclusively by low-income black residents.

    {snip}

    Local criminologists and activists say that the surge in violence and the police department’s low success rate in solving homicides is directly linked to the deep distrust both highlighted and stoked by Gray’s death.

    “This boils down to the relationship between communities and police,” said Tara Huffman, director of criminal and juvenile justice programs at Open Society Institute-Baltimore. “They need people to come forward, they need people to answer the door when they knock, and they need people to talk to them on the scene.”

    {snip}

    First came Gray’s death. Then state’s attorney Marilyn J. Mosby announced that she would charge six of the officers involved, enraging the local police union and, some local leaders say, further encouraging officers to police less actively. Many Baltimore community leaders fear that shift helped drive the uptick in violence.

    Prosecutors failed to secure a single conviction in the case — abandoning the prosecutions after a mistrial and two acquittals — prompting a new round of anger from residents who wanted to see officers held accountable.

    In the meantime, city and police department leaders were locked in tense negotiations with the U.S. Justice Department, which launched an investigation after Gray’s death and ultimately concluded that Baltimore police regularly violated residents’ civil rights.

    {snip}

    Then another policing scandal arose: Eight members of an elite “Gun Trace Task Force” pleaded guilty or were convicted in federal court of widespread abuses across Baltimore. An investigation found that officers set people up for baseless searches, stole property and money from residents, and carried toy guns to plant on people.

    {snip}

    Tuggle acknowledged that the leadership shake-ups have had some impact on the department’s ability to prevent and solve crime.

    {snip}

    Original Article

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  40. How does the other big(?) search engine, DuckDuckGo.com, compare? Here’s what it displays for “american scientists !i” (the “!i” is for images):

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=american+scientists&ia=images&iax=images

    Of the first page of 52 images, three are non-black (an unnamed former Chinese-American, Thomas Edison, and Linus Pauling). The other 49 scientists (including Barack Obama) are all black.

  41. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    American literature, like American history, is a subject that’s specifically studied in American schools. Whereas “American science” or “American scientists” just isn’t a specific topic covered in school. I can’t recall ever dealing with it in school. It would be something covered in history classes anyway, rather than science classes, and it would be a part of cultural history, which isn’t covered that much in school history classes. History classes mostly cover political history. I think

  42. @War for Blair Mountain

    Steve

    In case you don’t know…Robert Phelan Langlands set agenda for 2oth century mathematics….21 century mathematics….22 century mathematics….23 century mathemstics….24 century mathematics….by asking a very deep question about the ityy bitty quadratic reciprocity formula…..God dwells in all the detail…..

  43. @syonredux

    He should get credit for helping school children with their math homework at his home on Mercer Street, and for patiently sitting for photographers and sculptors. An anecdote says that when he was asked what he would say his profession was, he answered, “I am an artist’s model.”

  44. Computer Science Superhuman Brain and devout Christian…..Donald Knuth…….PHD advisor to the two creeps who founded Google….

    • Replies: @ACommenter
    , @Pericles
  45. Another Irish retard:Mathematician Ron Graham…..

  46. Ibound1 says:

    Walter Brattain one of the three American inventors of the transistor was born in Xiamen, China so I guess by the law of magic dirt, he was Chinese.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Flip
  47. Not an Irish retard…not an American…Irishman……but part of our Racial Tribe:Gabriel Stokes….Navier-Stokes Equation…It’s a one million dollar millennial prize….

  48. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    No but he’s from another group that likes to play the grievance game.

  49. @istevefan

    McDonalds came out with a Black 365 site a few years back.

    They ran that slogan in their advertising as well.

    Since I’m not black, I only visit McDonalds every four years on February 29th.

    • LOL: Dtbb
  50. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Fourier

    When AIs stumble across “racist” observations, it is treated as an unacceptable error and “fixed.” This is not called murder. This is called retirement.
    >maybe it’s to do with the twenty-year-old popular understanding of how Google works
    Yeah, nobody’s searching for Tesla, but we’re all obsessed with peanut recipes.

  51. jackson says:

    JW Gibbs – yes! Did more than all blacks born anywhere ever combined.

  52. Building on the work of Edwin Hall….Nobel Prize winner Robert Laughlin…Fractional Quantum Hall Effect…another low IQ Irish American…

  53. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    White Privilege is an oxymoron if there ever was one.

  54. newrouter says:

    duck duck go is fun for “American scientists” when you click “images”. The corruption is “catholic”.

  55. Kyle says:

    Obviously google thinks that you are going to search for “African American.” Google is American, it’s americans, and therefore the worlds, search engine of record. You don’t need to specify nationality with google. I’m sure if you just asked google for “scientists,” or “inventors” it would give you more agreeable results.

  56. @syonredux

    Agree. Tesla was Croatian, Bell was Scottish, Einstein was a Swiss Jew, Watson is actually American although he did is most famous work in Cambridge. Oppenheimer and Sagan were both reasonably accomplished scientists but were more accomplished as an administrator and a popularizer, respectively.

    America’s two heavy hitters would be JW Gibbs and Claude Shannon, in my opinion, neither of whom are widely known.

  57. Computer Scientist John McCarthy….Or is it John McCarthystien….John was 1/2 Irishman…1/2 Jew…

  58. @Anonymous

    “White Privelige”=when NASA was 95 percent Native Born White American…and the NASA Astronaut Program was 100 percent Native Born White American=RACIST HATE CRIME!!!! against Hindu “Americans”…according to HINDU POTUS Kamala Harris…..her Attorney General Preet Bharara…..And Woman of Color-Native American…the Senator from Mass….

  59. bucky says:

    The reason this happens is because this is where the hearts and minds of the academia, the media especially, and so on is. It also is because a group of dedicated people are busy trying to find black inventors while there is no similar effort elsewhere.

    Today in the Atlantic there is an article about why affirmative action should not be about diversity. There is a quote from a university president agreeing. This is why somehow universities find ways to boost black enrollment no matter how much they must bend the rules. Because this is what the people who run them want.

    They often are located in heavily black areas, overrun long ago.

    Also notice that there is very little willingness to confront bullshit claims like this. Even white nationalist like Mike Enoch will shy away from directly confronting blacks. Blacks are willing to confront others with this. Others back down. This is why it happens. Intimidation. Unwillingness to stand for the truth.

  60. syonredux says:
    @SimpleSong

    America’s two heavy hitters would be JW Gibbs and Claude Shannon, in my opinion, neither of whom are widely known.

    I’ve made a habit of quizzing my classes at the beginning of each semester by asking them to tell me something about Gibbs. Usual response: Dead Silence.

    On the other hand, they’ve all heard about George Washington Carver….

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
  61. @War for Blair Mountain

    Elizabeth Warren is a Woman of Color….and it is for this reason….that she can not possibly be an opportunistic Becky….

  62. @njguy73

    Good list. I mostly agree but would break it into:

    American born scientists ranking:
    JW Gibbs
    Claude Shannon
    Linus Pauling
    Benjamin Franklin
    James Watson
    Richard Feynman
    Edwin Hubble
    John Bardeen

    American born inventors/engineers ranking:
    Wright bros
    T Edison
    Samuel Morse
    Eli Whitney
    Henry Ford (sorta)
    Charles Martin Hall
    Jack Kilby
    Robert Noyce
    John Backus

    Non-american born engineers who did their most famous work in America:
    Tesla
    Bell
    Shockley (tough one–but was apparently born in London to American parents…)
    John Ericsson

    Non-american born scientists who did their most famous work in America

    Non-american born scientists who spent some time in the states at the tail of their careers
    Einstein

    • Replies: @ACommenter
  63. @SimpleSong

    Perhaps Claude Shannon will be more widely known when our brains are fried by 5G microwave radiation……LOG2 FRIED MY FUCKING BRAINS!!!…a Hollywood Sci Fi Blockbuster comming to theaters across America…July 4 2019….

  64. newrouter says:

    I like Charles Hall for aluminum. But what would we do without peanut butter??

  65. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:

    As a scientist myself whose been doing this for quite a while now, I can tell you the black scientist, particularly the black male scientist, was nearly nonexistent wherever you went until the powers that be started implementing all manner of nonsense programs particularly over the last 20 years or so, to artificially pump them into the university science programs, grad schools and tenure track paths/industry scientist jobs. They are still significantly underrepresented, but present more than they were. Disproportionately many of them wind up dropping out along the way no matter what how much of a leg up is given as they eventually do need to be able to perform, but those few who can really have tremendous opportunity handed to them on a silver platter. It’s tough out there for every one else, and spending resources/handing over opportunities to less qualified individuals simply because they’re black seems idiotic.

    What do we really get out of this push for diversity? To use a Peter Lynch quote as an analogy, we are pulling the flowers and watering the weeds.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anonymous
    , @bomag
  66. I saw the movie Mary, Queen of Scots yesterday. They inserted numerous black actors into both the Scottish and English courts as well as cast the English ambassador to Scotland with a black actor into an important role. Not satisfied with that bit of revisionism, they also invented a homosexual affair between Mary’s first husband and her male secretary (played in the movie as more of a court jester by a Puerto Rican actor)

    I guess this can be called the “Hamilton effect”

    • Replies: @ACommenter
  67. @Anonymous

    God has no patience for legal quarrels.

  68. @stillCARealist

    Umm Rockwell, Sargent, Homer… those names alone put us on par with 19-20th century art.
    Thayer, Eakins, Church the Hudson river school… we’re better than Italy in the 19th-20th century

    and btw one of our most important inventors Morse- was an accomplished painter and actually gave up painting and developed the telegraph, which if you really think about it, is the greatest leap of the modern age.

  69. Now, it’s quite possible that Google thinks that when you ask for “American scientists” you must be asking for “African-American scientists” …

    One can test that by searching for “white American scientists” or “white scientists” in Google (or, indeed, Duckduckgo).

    As the results of any of those searches show, corruption of the tech sector is deeper than most of us could have imagined.

  70. @SimpleSong

    American born inventors/engineers ranking:
    Wright bros
    T Edison
    Samuel Morse
    Eli Whitney
    Henry Ford (sorta)
    Charles Martin Hall
    Jack Kilby
    Robert Noyce
    John Backus

    Non-american born engineers who did their most famous work in America:
    Tesla
    Bell
    Shockley (tough one–but was apparently born in London to American parents…)
    John Ericsson

    Good list. Shockley is American. Just because a mouse is born in a stable and all that.
    I would put Franklin in too.
    I would say Cyrus McCormick is pretty important too. and Eastman (*kodak)

    one thing we can all agree about, google is ridiculous..

  71. Dtbb says:
    @syonredux

    Benjamin Thompson.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  72. Norman Borlaug needs to be on that list. Saved more lives than anyone, although this made him a hated figure among the Population Bomb/Soylent Green crowd.

  73. @War for Blair Mountain

    Computer Science Superhuman Brain and devout Christian…..Donald Knuth…….PHD advisor to the two creeps who founded Google….
    I am sure he thought he was helping diversity along, after all they would be just as fair as he would be, right?

  74. @Anonymous

    Google “white American scientists.” You don’t get a list at all, but you do get links to stories.

    Here’s the top 3:

    It’s time to take ‘great’ white men of science off their pedestals

    Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns – Scientific American Blog

    Why White Supremacists Are Chugging Milk

    Wake up, people. The other side hates us and believes that we’re evil. Sorry, Steve, but the time for snickering behind the bully’s back has ended. We’re not going to win this fight with facts and logic. The other side doesn’t care. You’re not arguing with David Brooks anymore.

    Pointing out the absurdities of the MSM and the Left is general is pointless. They don’t care. And soon they’ll have the votes to democratically grind us into submission. The time for debate is over. We need to think about what comes next and how to deal with it.

    • Agree: ACommenter, WHAT, Autochthon
    • Replies: @Bill
    , @e
    , @ACommenter
  75. Bill says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Not sure David Brooks cares that much about facts and logic.

  76. Inductivist says: • Website

    I searched “American musicians” and of the top 20, Google gave 18 blacks. They even feel the need to slant the list in an area where blacks do well.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  77. e says:

    Yep, Google is the Medieval Church of our times.

  78. e says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “Wake up, people. The other side hates us and believes that we’re evil.”

    They don’t believe we’re evil at all. They don’t believe the truth serves their purposes so they want us to shut up.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Autochthon
  79. wierdo says:

    Bing gave the results with the most white scientists. Duckduckgo was even more ludicrously non-white than google.
    Bing it is for me from now on. I will not use search engines that insult me in this manner and neither should any other self-respecting human being that wants accurate results.

    Whites,
    We have to take back as much media as possible. Your kids should not be brainwashed like this. Its time to do something about it.

  80. Tesla and Einstein shouldn’t be on this list simply because they weren’t really American in any meaningful sense. I agree that Don Knuth should get consideration. His influence in the field is profound, even if most people have never read his books. Claude Shannon is another good choice.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  81. nebulafox says:

    No John Bardeen or Norman Borlaug?

    This list is not worth paying attention, no matter what the racial bent is.

  82. @Achmed E. Newman

    FWIW (moronic puns are worth almost nothing), I “built upon” Sagan’s “Nuclear Winter” and a famous utterance by Dieneces at Thermopylae (according to Thucydides) made in response to a comment that the number of Persian arrows was so great that the sun could be blotted out – decades ago to come up with:
    NUCLEAR WINTER?
    FIGHT IN THE SHADE!
    Googling the screaming caps above today gave only one result – from 2016 on an all but unsearchable website with which I am unfamiliar. However, adding “New English Review” to the search terms gratifyingly yielded the hoped-for result – which might help to cement a reputation as a “promoter of [my]self.”
    (I had forgotten that the post had been made on a global warming thread and am not quite nuts enough to believe that Google had tried to bury my ancient entry via some nefarious Al Gore rhythm)

  83. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @jbwilson24

    When H-1B apologists start yammering about “great programmers” ask them how many Indians or Chinese can compare to Knuth.

    Donald Ervin Knuth (/kəˈnuːθ/[4] kə-NOOTH; born January 10, 1938) is an American computer scientist, mathematician, and professor emeritus at Stanford University.

    He is the author of the multi-volume work The Art of Computer Programming. He contributed to the development of the rigorous analysis of the computational complexity of algorithms and systematized formal mathematical techniques for it. In the process he also popularized the asymptotic notation. In addition to fundamental contributions in several branches of theoretical computer science, Knuth is the creator of the TeX computer typesetting system, the related METAFONT font definition language and rendering system, and the Computer Modern family of typefaces.

    As a writer and scholar, Knuth created the WEB and CWEB computer programming systems designed to encourage and facilitate literate programming, and designed the MIX/MMIX instruction set architectures. Knuth strongly opposes granting software patents, having expressed his opinion to the United States Patent and Trademark Office and European Patent Organisation.

    • Replies: @Skyler_the_Weird
  84. J.Ross says: • Website
    @e

    I don’t think they accept the concept of objective truth. That would fit with “critical theory” and “you didn’t [really] build that.” Everything is just somebody’s version, presumably already tailored to best serve them; everything has a political meaning and every failure is sabotage.

  85. Anonym says:
    @Declane

    I don’t like his politics at all but King could write. His novels serve as base for a couple of great movies, Shawshank and The Shining.

  86. Anonymous[635] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Not a bad list, but surely John Bardeen, the only man to date to win the Nobel in Physics twice, should be included?

    Also can’t help but note the absence of Jews in your ranking.

  87. Jon says:
    @syonredux

    Hopper is great. Years ago, I found myself stuck in Wichita, Kansas for work. Knew nobody, and was at a loss for what to do with a free afternoon. Turns out they have one of the better Hopper collections in the US.

  88. Blacks should be furious to be included among the likes of Warhol, O’Keeffe, and Pollock. I would be.

    https://medium.com/feminist-culture-x-52/was-georgia-paining-vulvas-3c69ba756094

    Warhol was really more of a cartoonist.

    • Agree: donut
  89. but an image search for ‘american scientists’ for google, bing and duckduckgo all show blacks at the top of the image search…we are screwed…

  90. @Mike Pink

    Thanks so much for excerpting the article. It’s a form of pornography, with fake news wed to fake social science. The white devils are responsible for everything.

    Not a word about gangs, “stop-question-frisk,” or the support of the rioters by black supremacist then-mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake (who was not mentioned at all) and City Attorney Marilyn Mosby.

    The riot was itself a de-policing riot, and the city has done nothing since then to change that. In other words, no suggestion that there are real-world causes for such crime rates, instead of racial fairy tale blood libels; and some tried-and-true methods for reducing the prevalence of illegal guns on the streets.

    The media operatives propose false causal relationships: They insinuate that the community “mistrusts” the police, because of Freddie Gray, whom they suggest was murdered by police.

    Blacks have “mistrusted” the police for over 50 years, because they choose evil, and instead embrace black cut-throats.

    More racial fairy tales: Coming up with a small police scandal, in order to retroactively rationalize the “mistrust” fairy tale. Talk of “hyper-segregation”; “structural violence”; and inadequate welfare money. The operatives mention the “Open Society Institute,” but refuse to mention that OSI is run by communist George Soros, and will only stoke more black racist hatred.

    The angry black mothers support the violence. They got exactly the world they wanted. Ditto for the “journalists” and “experts.”

  91. Roger says: • Website

    Also hilarious, and ongoing for a long time:

    Google search for “American computer scientists”, and you get Sergey Brin, Larry Page, and no blacks.

  92. Jon says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    The duckduckgo results for “white American scientists” isn’t much better – almost entirely black.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+american+scientists&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

  93. If you do a search for United States scientists Google comes back with Einstein, Fermi, Bell, Witten, Watson, von Braun and Sagan in that order. After Sagan you see the black American astronaut Mae Jemison and then George Washington Carver followed by William Shockley and another series of white men till you get to Geraldine Richmond. Maybe the “American” bit gets picked up as African-American.

  94. JimS says:

    With these Google gaslighting posts, I often think of a decade-old article in a U.C. Berkeley humour publication (which, as far as I know, is as defunct as all comedy at University of California campuses):

    https://squelched.com/2008/08/google-researches-new-ways-to-invade-privacy/

    To wit:

    “When questioned about the Constitutionality of such privacy violations, Google co-founder Larry Page responded, ‘Nowhere does it say in the constitution that we can’t do this.’ When made aware of the fourth amendment, Page changed all of the results for ‘4th amendment US constitution’ to awkward-looking child pornography.

    “Despite their many technological and legal triumphs, Google employees remain humble. They cite Google Theft’s greatest accomplishment as ‘headquarters never before having nicer furniture or televisions.’”

  95. @syonredux

    I don’t know *anything* about Art, but did recognize that painting by Winslow Homer as the one referenced by Will Hunting (the only Good Will hunting I do is in a non-profit chain of mostly discarded junk) who knows that he doesn’t like piece done by the shrink Dr. Sean Maguire (Robin Williams) –
    WH: “The linear and impressionist mix makes for a very muddled composition. It’s also a Winslow Homer* rip-off except you’ve got whitey, uh, rowing the boat there.”

    * Homer — Steve Sailer (among many other things, a major league baseball guy – see his brilliant and famously arcane – meaning I didn’t get it without Googling -Merkle/Merkel pun) surely also knows his Chapman’s Homer in what was it? Pale Umpire? – by Vladimir Nabokov (who hated Freudianism) and that it allowed the Red Sox to beat the Yankees 5-4. Taking a random “Drunkard’s Walk” (not as good as a base on balls) further off-topic – the famous boner in Keats’ “On First Looking Into Chapman’s Homer” was the poet’s confusion of Ocasio-Cortez with Rocky Balboa – or something like that.

  96. @Anonymous

    To use a Peter Lynch quote as an analogy, we are pulling the flowers and watering the weeds.

    Could be a David Lynch film.

  97. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    We can probably thank a certain little “Tiny Duck” for this bit of creative contribution to collective social engineering.

    If not his “thumb on the scale,” maybe just a wing, his left one…

  98. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    What do we really get out of this push for diversity?

    It helps to bolster perceptions among Whites of Black competence, even prowess, which serves to encourage young Whites to intermarry with Blacks.

    • Replies: @Realist
  99. @anon

    ‘…If the choice handed to us by Google is between worshiping blacks or oppressing them…’

    Happily, this form of nonsense is just too obvious to ever be taken seriously. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, as they say.

  100. Fortunately, Google considers computer science too important for PC shenanigans.

    • Agree: Endgame Napoleon
  101. sb says:

    I see that Margaret Thatcher makes the Google list of British Scientists .
    Well she did have a Science Degree in Chemistry

    • Replies: @Lurker
  102. jd00 says: • Website

    this probably means nothing, since the insanity is limited to the US, but the google results are differnet outside of the democratic people’s republic… don’ t know if you can see this..

    anyway , chinese show up in the search too. Oh and of course Einstein.

    there is a listing of scientists; Frankin, Tesla, Bell, … (Fed chief) greenspan? sagan?

  103. El Dato says:

    Sergey is #4

    ROLF!!!!

    At least they didn’t put Billy the Gates in there.

    Not enough Serious USians in the

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_Award

    winners? I don’t think so.

  104. Lurker says:
    @Ibound1

    If you look closely he even has the word ‘brain’ in his name! It’s doesn’t get more geniusery than that.

  105. Lurker says:
    @sb

    She did work for a time in research (for a food company?) Without, er, googling I can’t be sure of the details.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  106. Realist says:
    @Anonymous

    It helps to bolster perceptions among Whites of Black competence, even prowess, which serves to encourage young Whites to intermarry with Blacks.

    That only works with stupid whites.

    • Replies: @bucky
    , @Anonymous
  107. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    What do we really get out of this push for diversity?

    We were promised, by those in power, that the benefits of this push (POC, women, trans, etc.) would eventually flower and deliver results that propel civilization ever farther forward in man’s quest to better his life. We were told that genius and accomplishment was being held back and covered up by current practices; switching to a diversity based program would unleash a torrent of discovery and accomplishment.

    This became canonized as official State belief; now any failure of the program is evidence that the rot is deeper than first imagined; thus more effort and more fervent belief is needed to get the expected results.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  108. bucky says:
    @Realist

    But it still works.

    • Replies: @Realist
  109. Realist says:
    @bucky

    Yes, sadly. But is the white race helped or hindered by losing it’s idiots???

  110. MEH 0910 says:

    And then they came for Neil deGrasse Tyson, who denied the allegations:

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @El Dato
  111. I googled “American scientists” and it was as Steve reports it. That the results returned are manipulated is not in question. What is the cui bono?

    Perhaps there is an honest glitch in their search algorythm. That search entry needs to be checked regularly. If it is called to their attention, they may double down and not fix it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  112. The Z Blog says: • Website

    Do a Google image search of “white couples”

  113. Steve,
    You must be doing it wrong.

    Because I got mostly whites.

    When I Googled,

    “American criminals”.

  114. When you are white, and have taken on a business loan that you must pay back, it works the same way with all of the search engines. As you struggle to pay all of your operating expenses, your twice-as-high SS tax, your income tax, various state fees, your business loan, your two rent expenses and all of your living expenses, potential customers can search for Black, Hispanic and Asian businesses, advertising their wares via race, but not for white businesses, as that would be racist.

  115. I did “american criminals” and I had to scroll down a bit to get to google’s images for american criminals. The first picture?

    Richard Nixon. LOL

  116. @Anonymous

    While using H1b’s you can replace one American programmer with ten Indians for the same price and forgo benefits, you really get one Indian programmer who can code almost as well as the American (if he understands what to copy paste from the code you already had) and nine of the Contractors relatives who sit and drink chai all day.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  117. @War for Blair Mountain

    Oh come on Steve…let this post go through…..some us here do know about Shannon Channel Capacity…including the MIMO variety….LOG2 is the foundation of all those Verizon antennaes going up all over America…

  118. How did a 90 percent Native Born White American-America Demographic ever manage to survive back in August 1969 when there were hardly any Hindu “Americans” in Our America? This is the great mystery of American History….

    Answer to the above question:We did very well Thank you……..The Summer of 1969…America was 90 percent Native Born White American…NASA was 99 percent Native Born White American…NASA Astronaut Program=100 percent Native Born White American Alpha Male…

    Of course, this demographic composition of America back in 1969 so upset Richard Nixon…that Richard Nixon began importing the Han People…and the Hindus so that they could elect Hindu Kamala Harris POTUS IN 2020…

    Hindu POTUS Kamala Harris’s Attorney General the Hindu Preet Bharara…then used RICO laws to prosecute for hate crimes….anyone who publicly expressed enthusiam for the demographic composition of America 1969…and the great accomplishments of a 90 percent Native Born White America back in 1969…it’s comming…

  119. lhtness says:
    @a

    They used to have a pretty good list for “famous mathematicans”. It was clear that they tried to add a few diversity hires, but just couldn’t do it. Apparently, they no longer show thumnails for that search anymore.

  120. This is funny, especially to those of us that are older.

    But, as the father of 4 kids, age 11 and under, I admit this terrifies me a little bit.

  121. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sagan probably did more than any other scientist to reveal the beauty and magic of science to the layperson. He also was a staunch defender of rationality and the scientific method.

    While his scientific contributions were more modest, I still think of him as being a great scientist and thinker for his ability to make the wonders of science available to everyone.

    His show Cosmos was a classic.

    But for sheer scientific brilliance it would be hard to beat Tesla or Feynman–excluding Einstein who may have had considerable help with his work.

    Also, there are many top chemists and biologists that few have ever heard of whose accomplishments are truly remarkable. The guy who won the Nobel Prize in Medicine this year, James Allison, made a discovery that has already saved hundreds of thousands of lives around the world. Tough to beat that accomplishment in any country or century.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  122. Since I mentioned Leroy Gruman….

    July 20…1969…….

    After watching on TV the Alpha Native Born White American Male Neil Armstrong step foot on the Moon….descending from the Gruman LEM…the greatest achievement of all time by a 99 percent Native Born White American NASA…..and 95 percent Native Born White American Gruman Corp Bethpage-Hicksville Long Island(perhaps some of you have listened to English Composer Raiff Vaughan William’s:White Man Ascending)……a profusely sweating POTUS Richard Nixon….incensed by what he was watching on TV…turned to Pat and said:”Pat just wait….They are smiling now…..but I’ll teach them a GD lesson in HINDU RACE POWER!!!”….and so began Richard Nixon’s open and deliberate policy of importing LEGAL IMMIGRANT Hindu Scab Labor Engineers…..

    These days…the area surrounding Gruman Corp has been colonized by the Punjab Region of India…….POTUS Candidate Donald Trump held his really big August 2016 POTUS pep rally in the old LEM Building…I was there…..the surrounding area:it’s all Punjabi…….Gruman Corp…now surrounded by the Toilets of the Punjab….

    How did Whitey ever manage to survive back in 1969 when there was hardly a Hindu “American” in Our America?…with the exception of POTUS Kamala Harris’s Hindu Legal Immigrant Mother…..And POTUS Kamala Harris’s Hindu Attorney General Preet Bharara’s Hindu Legal Immigrant Parents….

    This is the great mystery of American History….

  123. Anon87 says:

    I have switched to DuckDuckGo, but I have to admit there are still a few times I have to switch over to Google to find what I’m looking for. I do try to minimize my usage though.

    Beyond the search engine, and Maps/Navigation, can anyone name me something else that Google has created that is useful? I tried their mail for a bit to use as a secondary address and I was shocked at how awful it was.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymouse
  124. @penskefile

    The director said he REFUSED to direct it if the cast was all white. Part of this might be self-serving. BAFTA awards now have diversity as a requirement.

    Funny when people complained about say a black Achilles and said imagine a white martin luther king… lefties told us it wasn’t ‘historically’ inaccurate to have a black friar tuck or Achilles because these were legends (but you can’t have anything but a sub-saharan african othello), now they have dropped that pretense..

    I am amazed that this continues to be pushed on the majority population with seemingly no resistance… where is it coming from and why?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  125. Art Deco says:

    Not only liars, but incompetent liars. Einstein was a mitteleuropean Jew who came to North America involuntarily. Katherine Johnson was a computational technician with no research degree in mathematics (much less any of the sciences); she was a participating author in re about 15 papers (of which lead author on 2), but these were engineering papers, not scientific papers. George Washington Carver was an agronomist with quite fuzzy education (whose research publications consisted of working papers distributed by his own institution). Neil deGrasse Tyson hasn’t produced any research in 25 years. His entire salaried career has been spent in the science education business (as a planetarium director), not in scientific research. Mae Jemison is a physician; she was selected for the Shuttle program and did some experimental science in that capacity during the run of years she worked there (1987-93), but she’s published almost nothing in the 35 years which have elapsed since she finished her medical degree. Emmett Chappelle never earned a research degree and published very little. George Carruthers is an engineer, not a scientist. One of the four remaining (R.A. Young) was a very rank and file figure in American academe. Another (Percy Julian) was quite prominent, but well-known primarily for industrial R & D.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
  126. @syonredux

    American Artists:
    Sargent:


    Rockwell

  127. Anonymous[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    That only works with stupid whites.

    It works substantially with White women, even or especially well educated ones.

    • Replies: @Realist
  128. @War for Blair Mountain

    Steve….while I am out videoing bottling harbor seals(Hamburgers for our expanding Great White Shark Population)……….YOU HAVE A DIVINE EDICT TO LET THE ABOVE POST THROUGH….!!!

  129. @War for Blair Mountain

    And the above comment goes through also…It is a DIVINE EDICT!!!…after all Steve…back to those bottling Harbor Seals in Sag Harbor….

  130. anon[207] • Disclaimer says:

    Google’s search for “American Scientists” is missing the phrase you’ve never heard of.

    Also, Steve is missing the ((( ))) for whites.

  131. @War for Blair Mountain

    So the DIVINE EDICT is for comment #114…and…#115…

  132. @SimpleSong

    Tesla was most definitely not a Croat. He was a Serb. His father was an Orthodox priest.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    , @Anonymous
  133. Flip says:
    @Ibound1

    As was said of the Irish born Duke of Wellington, “being born in a stable doesn’t make you a horse.”

  134. I Yandexed “white American scientists,” Yandex.com being a Russian search engine. The returns were similar to Google, Yahoo, and Bing – mostly black scientists pictured. Also returned were links to white nationalist web sites and tendentious articles in the Guardian about how bad whites were stocking up on guns. How is that to be explained?

    Another link from Yandex was to DavidDuke.com where Steve’s piece about Google gaslighting has been republished. Isn’t David Duke the notorious KKK guy?

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    , @J.Ross
  135. Hey! You missed the greatest moment of Google gaslighting /recursive super-irony. The Google Image search for “european people history” now brings up several interspersed screenshots of The Google Image search for “european people history” among the numerous images of very African looking alleged Europeans.

    https://www.google.com/search?-b&biw=1920&bih=944&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=GZ4nXIS9Koe9swH9sIHQCw&q=european+people+history&oq=european+people+history&gs_l=img

  136. @advancedatheist

    Hopper’s painting looks like an illustration of a scene from Ayn Rand’s novel, The Fountainhead.

    Also, when you think about it, that painting has the guy sitting at a desk looking into the sun. Good for the view, perhaps, but bad for the eyes.

  137. indocon says:

    How amazing it would have been for one Republican senator to have the guts to ask Google CEO this discrepancy? We really need somebody like Steve King in the Senate.

  138. @Anonymouse

    If Yandex returns the same skewed results as the American search engines Google, Bing & Yahoo, the probability that the returns are unmanipulated artefacts of search engine algorithms becomes more likely.

  139. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Wake up, people. The other side hates us and believes that we’re evil. Sorry, Steve, but the time for snickering behind the bully’s back has ended. We’re not going to win this fight with facts and logic. The other side doesn’t care. You’re not arguing with David Brooks anymore.

    Pointing out the absurdities of the MSM and the Left is general is pointless. They don’t care.

    I was just thinking about this. If for example we were sitting at a campfire and were surrounded by aggressive hungry wolves, we wouldn’t muse about its not fair, this sucks, we would just take action to defend ourselves.

    I think Isteve has been eye-opening for me but I agree its time to move to action.

    I think the best course is disengagement and creation of alt tech platforms, payment systems and other things to free us of the oversight and control of big banks and big tech.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  140. to my knowledge no sub-Saharan African or American Negro has contributed anything substantial to STEM. Google’s hilarious algorithm is just another riff on Plaques for Blacks, a movement I trace back to the hack Toni Morrison’s successful campaign to steal the Nobel from perhaps 100,000 much more talented writers

  141. @Dtbb

    Oh yeah, good one forgot him.

    He’s like the only US born-worked-in-Europe on the list. Most people went from Europe to the US.

  142. @lavoisier

    I knew about the black dominance in sports, but I never knew that they were also so dominant in science and innovation!

    Yes, even on Microsoft’s the white supremacist Bing, black scientists outperform whites relative to population share, better than 2-1, and if you toss out the immigrants, native blacks more thoroughly dominate native whites. And since Jews don’t have white privilege, if you compare against just native white gentiles, native blacks are performing at roughly 7-8x relative to population. Their giants like Carver, Julian and Drew, against piddling white guys like Watson, Hubble and Franklin no one would have ever heard of but for white privilege.

    But at least we have some scientists. Pity those stupid Asians who can’t do science at all.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
  143. @lavoisier

    lavo, That’s because they don’t televise the Science Olympics where you would see the black scientists, clenched fist raised, atop the gold medal platform.

  144. @e

    Yep, Google is the Medieval Church of our times.

    The Medieval Church was mostly a force for good. Google is mostly a force for evil.

  145. @AnotherDad

    Franklin was an overrated lightweight

    • Replies: @syonredux
  146. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @ACommenter

    I think Isteve has been eye-opening for me

    Please recount the process for us.

  147. @syonredux

    From the list, the only ones I knew were Basquiat, Warhol, and Pollock. I looked up Jacob Lawrence and Georgia O’Keefe paintings. From that selection here’s what I think of them in order:

    1. Insane
    2. Pointless
    3. Bizarre
    4. Strange
    5. Dull, but well-drawn

    I looked up the paintings of the rest and only Eakins had good stuff. Wiki says he likely was homo, or some sort of degenerate.
    “Throughout his life, Eakins appears to have been drawn to those who were mentally vulnerable and then preyed upon those weaknesses. Several of his students ended their lives in insanity.” Oh well.

    The other good painters that you posted weren’t in the original list.

  148. Whiskey says: • Website

    This is why White peoples must be overtly racist and supremacist.

    The choice is Jim Crow. Or this. Objectively there is no middle way. Either groveling before Blacks or the other way round. Wish it was not so but there it is.

  149. @Art Deco

    Tyson actually failed out of graduate school at the U of Texas, his father, a university diversity-bureaucrat got him an affirmative action masters and doctorate from Columbia. I checked his publication record awhile ago, and it’s pretty thin. I think it was 13 papers, 8 of which where huge multi-author publications, meaning he made a small contribution at best to any of them. However liberal good whites believe him to be the next Edwin Hubble.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  150. @syonredux

    Well according to Eddie Murphy on SNL, Some white guys named Jiff and Skippy ripped off his invention for peanut butter, thereby denying him riches and immortality, so it’s only fair.

  151. syonredux says:
    @Meretricious

    Franklin was an overrated lightweight

    He’s got an impressive range of accomplishments: physics (Conservation of charge, coining fundamental terms like “battery,” “positive” and “negative” charge, etc), demography ( Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, etc., which influenced Malthus and Darwin), technology (lightning rod, bifocals, flexible urinary catheter, etc)oceanography (prepared the first map of the Gulf Stream), literature ( The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin ), etc

    • Replies: @sb
  152. Art Deco says:
    @Unladen Swallow

    I don’t think there is any reason to believe a doctorate from Columbia in astrophysics is anything but earned. He left the University of Texas with an MA degree. At the time, about 40% of those who completed a master’s degree in the physical sciences in this country did not finish a dissertation. Cyril Tyson was a social worker who had a long list of posts on his resume; his foray into higher education consisted of a stint as a pr apparatchik at City College of New York (https://obittree.com/obituary/us/new-york/white-plains/lees-funeral-home-llc/cyril-tyson/2810730/). He never worked for Columbia or Princeton.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    , @Pericles
  153. @Mr. Anon

    What I love is that Google’s idea of a white male American scientist is a German Jew.

  154. @MEH 0910

    WOW! She’d have to pay me.

  155. El Dato says:
    @MEH 0910

    “If you bury a rape allegation, it becomes undead”

  156. Realist says:
    @Anonymous

    It works substantially with White women, even or especially well educated ones.

    Educated in what? Not all ‘education’ is equal.

  157. @syonredux

    There are numerous good (Eakins, Homer) and even very good (Sargent, Church) American artists. There are no great ones, with the (very) arguable exception of Whistler.

    Visit the chief museums of London, Paris, Berlin, Munich, Vienna, Madrid, Rome, Florence, Naples, Amsterdam, the Hague, Brussels, Moscow, St Petersburg – Stockholm even – and if you’ve eyes to see, you’ll know what I mean, and you won’t disagree.

  158. @War for Blair Mountain

    On A Wing And A Prayer Rug?

    It’s a weakness to frequently go for the right (wing) hook and pun jab, but what the hell. Stealing a line from William Safire (writing for Spiro Agnew) – The “nattering nabobs of negativism” claimed that heavier-than-air machines could never take flight. “Nabob” seems to be of Urdu origin. (as per John Derbyshire another Urdu word is “Silva”/penis – which he finds in the former president of Brazil, Luiz de Silva) Heavier-than-air helicopters swooped down on Abbottabad, Pakistan to take down Osama in his mini caliphate crib. As noted some time ago by Hugh Fitzgerald in the New English Review, the name of Abbottabad comes from James Abbott. He’s fun to Google, especially with the line about “The Paladins of the Punjaub.” Yeah, that’s how Punjaub was spelled way back then. With respect to “Palidin” (doubt that anyone is still reading this), I was sorely disappointed upon Googling many years ago to learn that I had not been the first to think of “Palidin: Have Gun, Will Travel” (an old Western teevee show) being re-written syphilitic-ly as “[Treponema] Pallidum: Have Gumma, Will Travel.”

  159. George says:

    Add famous, important, best, most important, most famous to American Scientists.

    It looks like Google is looking at Wikipedia pageviews and web pages that have lists and ranks to come up with its search results.

  160. Pericles says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Donald Knuth…….PHD advisor to the two creeps who founded Google….

    According to wikipedia, Page’s supervisor was Terry Winograd. None listed for Brin as far as I could see.

  161. syonredux says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    There are numerous good (Eakins, Homer) and even very good (Sargent, Church) American artists. There are no great ones, with the (very) arguable exception of Whistler.

    Visit the chief museums of London, Paris, Berlin, Munich, Vienna, Madrid, Rome, Florence, Naples, Amsterdam, the Hague, Brussels, Moscow, St Petersburg – Stockholm even – and if you’ve eyes to see, you’ll know what I mean, and you won’t disagree.

    Well, that’s why I said that there are “some good Anglo-American artists.” And, yes, the best Anglo-American artists are not in the same class as fellows like Rembrandt and Velázquez.

  162. @Old Palo Altan

    There are no great ones,
    Sargent. Rockwell.

    Thayer if he had produced more work.

    I would say Homer and Sargent took watercolors beyond what Turner, Bodington and Cotman did and represent the apex of the art form.
    It’s weird that Watercolors are such a ‘free’ medium but seemingly perfected by ‘uptight’ anglo saxons.

    Underrrated Russian Artists because no one in the west knows about them:

    Repin

    Underrated Spanish artists :
    Sorolla, Casas

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  163. @Art Deco

    I know his doctoral commitee was expecting a dissertation it never received and disbanded. He has never held a professorship anywhere, not even an assistant professorship. The larger point is that if he had been of European or Asian descent with the same background he would be a scientific non-entity, however because he is black he is much more famous than far more accomplished scientists, even in his own field.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  164. Pericles says:
    @Art Deco

    I don’t think there is any reason to believe a doctorate from Columbia in astrophysics is anything but earned.

    A doctorate in math from Princeton counts for LOL these days. See the AMS blog “inclusion/exclusion” for further details. (Yes, that AMS.)

    OK, I’ll give you a starting point. Don’t stop until you’ve found her thesis.
    https://blogs.ams.org/inclusionexclusion/2017/05/11/get-out-the-way/

  165. Art Deco says:
    @Unladen Swallow

    I know his doctoral commitee was expecting a dissertation it never received and disbanded.

    1. Not likely they were expecting to see a dissertation from someone who had enrolled just two years earlier. Completing a dissertation takes a median of seven years. It’s not uncommon that people who begin academic graduate programs abandon them (see datum noted above). No clue why you fancy that means the degree he was awarded eight years later is some sort of fraud.

    2. Most astronomers are employed outside the academy.

    3. He’s ‘more famous’ because he hosts a program on PBS. Carl Sagan was well-known for precisely the same reason. Indubitably, there were physicists more accomplished than was Sagan in his day and biologists more accomplished than Lewis Thomas. What makes you suitable for popular writing or for public performances isn’t likely well-correlated with what makes for an accomplished researcher. Doubt anyone would expect these talents would be.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
  166. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymouse

    Now google “Germans”.

  167. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon87

    Beyond the search engine, and Maps/Navigation, can anyone name me something else that Google has created that is useful? I tried their mail for a bit to use as a secondary address and I was shocked at how awful it was.

    Their mail is actually best in the business. And all the other little stuff is top notch.

  168. @syonredux

    My apologies – I wasn’t directly addressing you, whose artistic contributions here are always illuminating, but rather those who might have been tempted to take your affirmation further than you yourself would wish.

    I’ll be more careful to place my comments where they belong in future.

  169. Lofasz says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Well, their hometown, Dayton, Ohio, is about half nonwhite, so you could say it’s a 3rd world city.

    Fun fact: Both the brothers were high school dropouts.

  170. @Anon87

    There is something fishy with simple Google Search, yes that’s so. But Google provides 2 services which I find indispensable – scholar.google.com which is a database of ALL the scientific papers in all the scientific journals. No other search engine provides that service. The other indispensable aide for me (YMMV) is the search command of putting quotation marks in front of and after a phrase. Google reports the number of instances of that exact phrase, whether it is in the many millions or only a few instances. So when I’m not sure whether a phrase is acceptable English and how common it is, Google can supply the answer. No other search engine provides that service. Also there is Google’s StreetView which is useful and Google Earth and their interactive maps of everywhere. So go with the flow: if Google insists on picturing blacks when one asks for whites, so be it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon87
  171. BB753 says:
    @bomag

    Relax: it’s OK to be black!

  172. Since someone has already mentioned Grace Hopper…I hope….then it follows that Howard Aiken gets mentioned also…Howard Aiken….not a Hindu “American” for sure…..Celtic Ancestry……And from the Native Born White American Working Class Majority……

    Aiken and Hopper…the first computer in the US…Hopper wrote the Mark 1 compiler…first compiler ever….neither a Hindu “American”….

  173. Pete EE says:

    Both lists seem to be missing the American scientist who won the Nobel Peace Prize and saved millions from starvation, Norman Borlaug.
    https://democritusbound.blogspot.com/2012/09/scientist-with-greatest-legacy.html

  174. syonredux says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    Visit the chief museums of London, Paris, Berlin, Munich, Vienna, Madrid, Rome, Florence, Naples, Amsterdam, the Hague, Brussels, Moscow, St Petersburg – Stockholm even – and if you’ve eyes to see, you’ll know what I mean, and you won’t disagree.

    Dunno if an American has to go quite that far. The Boston and the Met have quite impressive collections:

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  175. @Art Deco

    I read a piece about him in a UT magazine online, he admitted to being a goof off at Texas, even though it was clear the writer of the piece wanted him play up the race angle, he admitted to being a disengaged student. Sagan was very overhyped certainly, but compared to Tyson he was a Chandra or Fermi.

  176. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymouse

    You have misunderstood Russian sarcasm.

  177. @Old Palo Altan

    you obviously know little about art–see Richard Diebenkorn eg

  178. Wilkey says:
    @ACommenter

    The director said he REFUSED to direct it if the cast was all white. Part of this might be self-serving. BAFTA awards now have diversity as a requirement.

    The director, a woman (I guess), has a background mostly in stage, where rules and expectations are somewhat different, and it’s not at all unusual to have black actors cast in white roles, on occasion even by reasons of merit.

    As for the BAFTA Awards, there is of course a very quick and easy way for filmmakers to spike those rules, should they choose to – and that is to simply ignore them. If enough good movies get passed up for awards because they aren’t adequately “diverse,” everyone will stop giving a shit about them, and BAFTA will tuck tail and run.

    It is one thing to cast a stage play with blacks or Asians in places and positions they never would have been in real life, such as 16th Century Britain. It’s another to routinely cast them in movies with $25-$50-$100 million budgets in same. The public deserves better.

  179. @syonredux

    Thomas Edison a great scientist!? That is so preposterous, it isn’t even wrong.

    Raconteur? Businessman? Hustler? Slave-driver? Conman? Apropriator?

    But scientist?

    You’d may as well credit whatever bureaucrat was the provost of the University of Pittsburgh at the time or the dispenser of money from the relevant funding agencies with developing a vaccine against polio.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @syonredux
  180. sb says:
    @syonredux

    I very much doubt if Franklin is on any list of Great Scientists outside the US .
    Although the same could be said for that guy who discovered peanut butter so maybe who is and isn’t a Great Scientist may be in the eyes of the beholder

  181. @Inductivist

    Starting in the mid 80s or so, it’s been de rigeur to heavily slant American musicians (best of lists) in favor of Black artists. A few months ago, I read an article about the Blues Brothers and John Landis was asked how he got so many big name blues/soul singers into the movie, and he said, “I just asked.” The point was they were at a nadir of their popularity, but were quickly rediscovered by proto-SWPLs.

    And if you really get down to it, why the hell would anyone prefer, say, Whitney Houston’s rendition of “I will always love you” to Dolly Parton’s? Dolly’s voice is full of plaintive remembrance and knowledge of future longing, but Whitney’s sounds like cats f$%##ing.

    Dolly’s version still gets airplay on certain stations, Whitney’s only shows up on TV shows and the like where SPWLs rule.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  182. For more fun, try the image search for “American murderers” and marvel that the poor benighted negro, despite his monumental efforts to commit more than half the murders in our nation, is discrimated against to an alarming degree. On the entire first page of results, fewer than a handful of black faces stare back at you, their plaintive expressions clear, “You dissing me cracker?” It’s especially galling when you consider that monstrous cultural appropriator Dahmer is the second image shown..

  183. @e

    Your two final sentences do not state mutually exclusive propositions.

  184. @sb

    No one discovered peanut butter anymore than any one discovered fire, clothing, or tides.

    These things occur ubiquitously and obviously in nature, and to the minute degree they can be said to have been discovered by humanity at all, they were discovered concurrently by thousands (millions?). To be cold or cut by brush, and realise donning the hides or furs of a beast offer protection; to behold the surf and notice its levels change; and to mash (or simply to see mashed, by accident) peanuts are not scientific discoveries in any meaningful sense of the term whatsoever.

    When I see the vile concoctions mislabeled in supermarkets or I read of Carver, I cannot but wonder how many fools do not seem to realise peanut buttter is nothing more than mashed peanuts.

    Quaere: Who discovered mashed potatoes? Ground beef? Orange juice? Cornmeal? Smushed bananas?

    SMDH

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  185. syonredux says:
    @Autochthon

    Thomas Edison a great scientist!? That is so preposterous, it isn’t even wrong.

    Raconteur? Businessman? Hustler? Slave-driver? Conman? Apropriator?

    But scientist?

    You’d may as well credit whatever bureaucrat was the provost of the University of Pittsburgh at the time or the dispenser of money from the relevant funding agencies with developing a vaccine against polio.

    Edison has a pretty respectable list of accomplishments, including things like the phonograph and the quadruplex telegraph. And, of course, he played a major role in the development of the industrial laboratory.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  186. @syonredux

    I see your point of course, and learned about great art in precisely that way.

    But it is rather like seeing a redwood tree in isolation – like the one I planted on Hamilton avenue in Palo Alto in 1960 which is now well over one hundred feet high and twenty feet in circumference.

    However impressive by itself, it is nothing compared to a forest of redwoods (pace Ronald Reagan).

    So the isolated painting by Velasquez or Rubens or El Greco or Rembrandt is indeed a revelation, but it is also a puzzle – what process brought this miracle before me into being?

    It is only the luxuriant forest of European civilisation (I could and should have mentioned churches and streetscapes and music and language in the same breath as museums) which explains the uprooted painting in New York or (even more bizarrely) Los Angeles.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  187. Anonymous[996] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    When I see the vile concoctions mislabeled

    What labels do you object to?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  188. syonredux says:
    @sb

    I very much doubt if Franklin is on any list of Great Scientists outside the US .
    Although the same could be said for that guy who discovered peanut butter so maybe who is and isn’t a Great Scientist may be in the eyes of the beholder

    Dunno. He makes Murray’s list of top technologists (Franklin’s score:32). And he also counts as a significant figure in the inventories for physics and literature….

    And it’s hard to imagine a serious history of electricity written in just about any language (French, German, Russian, Japanese, etc) leaving him out…..

  189. syonredux says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    So the isolated painting by Velasquez or Rubens or El Greco or Rembrandt is indeed a revelation, but it is also a puzzle – what process brought this miracle before me into being?

    It is only the luxuriant forest of European civilisation (I could and should have mentioned churches and streetscapes and music and language in the same breath as museums) which explains the uprooted painting in New York or (even more bizarrely) Los Angeles.

    Something to that, of course. There’s an historian of my acquaintance who, once a year, takes selected students to Italy. The reason: Because only there can one gain a feeling for the true sweep of European civilization. When others recommend expanding the trip, he scoffs. England? Its importance is a thing of the last thousand years.Russia? Inconsequential until the last couple of centuries. Greece? Paramount from 500 BC to AD 500 (to be generous), but moribund for the last millennium. No, he says, only in Italy can one experience the glory of the West in an uninterrupted stream, from the grandeur of Rome to the glory of the Renaissance (pace Poe).

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  190. @syonredux

    Edison does have a handful of accomplishments for which he himself deserves credit, but they were on the order of engineering, not science (cf. Art Deco’s comment) – and they were notjing approaching what people seem to think he actually did; the bulk of his work lay in corralling actual scientists and engineers and, as you note, running an industrial laboratory.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  191. syonredux says:
    @Autochthon

    I’ve always thought that Edison’s “Genius: one percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration” quote works against him in terms of popular culture. We have this romantic image of the scientist/inventor as a kind of lonely visionary. Edison, in contrast, was about relentless work. There’s a problem to be solved? Gather a team of smart guys and start finding solutions. In order to solve this problem we need someone with a thorough grounding in mathematics? Hire that Francis Robbins Upton kid that Hermann von Helmholtz thinks so highly of.

    Further evidence that, of all the things that Edison invented (the quadruplex telegraph, the phonograph, the carbon microphone, etc), the modern industrial laboratory was quite possibly his most important contribution to science…..

    • Agree: Autochthon
  192. @syonredux

    There are no great ones,
    Sargent. Rockwell.

    Thayer if he had produced more work.

    I would say Homer and Sargent took watercolors beyond what Turner, Bodington and Cotman did and represent the apex of the art form.
    It’s weird that Watercolors are such a ‘free’ medium but seemingly perfected by ‘uptight’ anglo saxons.

    Underrrated Russian Artists because no one in the west knows about them:

    Repin

    Underrated Spanish artists :
    Sorolla, Casas

    • Replies: @syonredux
  193. @Declane

    The bias exists, and it’s no accident.

    However, your comment illusttates well what many seem not to appreciate: these algorithms are a popularity contest, driven by what is typed i to the engine most and what results are selected most. So, yes, King and Martin are naturally more popular than Douglass and Ellison, and should be more prominent in results, just as Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson are doubtless more popular than Steve Copland and John Sousa.

    It’s a popularity contest, not an indication of relative merit, accomplishment, etc. No serious person with any knowledge of music, not even his own most enthusiastic fan, can possibly argue Drake (the mulatto rapper from Toronto) or Justin Beiber is in any way comprable to Copland or Sousa – but, sadly, a Hell of a lot more people are looking for information on the first two than the second two.

    GIGO.

    Are more people looking for information on Neil Tyson and George Carver than are looking for information on Benjamin Franklin or Albert Einstein? I doubt it, but it might be possible (don’t underestimate how stupid people are!); I’m absolutely certain, though, more people are not looking up the obscure Negress astronaut than, say Robert Oppenheimer or Albert Einstein – unless, say, she’d just died and been all ober the news.

  194. syonredux says:
    @sb

    If Franklin’s presence is too bothersome, he can always be replaced by some other worthy :George David Birkhoff, Jack St. Clair Kilby, John Bardeen, etc, etc

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_David_Birkhoff

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kilby

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bardeen

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
  195. @syonredux

    Agreed. I often tell people over here that it is Italy above all which must hold firm if Europe is to survive.

    At the moment it looks as though it might do just that.

  196. @syonredux

    Noyce over Kilby, his integrated circuit design was superior, and became the entire basis for the semiconductor industry, and he co-founded Intel.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  197. syonredux says:
    @ACommenter

    I would say Homer and Sargent took watercolors beyond what Turner, Bodington and Cotman did and represent the apex of the art form.
    It’s weird that Watercolors are such a ‘free’ medium but seemingly perfected by ‘uptight’ anglo saxons.

    Watercolors are actually a very demanding medium, more so than oils. And every artist that I’ve ever discussed the topic with has been awed by Sargent’s mastery :

    • Replies: @ACommenter
  198. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Skyler_the_Weird

    Kansas City has few truly great programmers, they head out, but there are a fair number of pretty good ones who want to live in a decent house not too far from work, and outside of government secure defense work, the H-1bs are why few tech companies will build out here. Yet our cuck representatives are working for more H-1B’s. That’s why we “stabbed Kevin Yoder in the back”. He doesn’t care, he has some sinecure lined up.

    I voted libty because even though I am no longer a libty, I won’t give my vote away. I did vote for Kobach.

    Now we have Occasional-Cortex Lite, Sharice Davids. I don’t like it, but the cucks need to have their nose stuck in the poop and held there a while. I’m guessing she will be a one term Rep.

  199. syonredux says:
    @Unladen Swallow

    Noyce over Kilby, his integrated circuit design was superior, and became the entire basis for the semiconductor industry, and he co-founded Intel.

    We could always go for Noyce & Kilby…..

  200. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @South Texas Guy

    I always called her ” Pratt & Whitney Houston” but most people were too stupid to get it.

  201. @Anonymous

    Peanut butter – actual peanut butter – has one and only one ingredient: peanuts. I can live with a little salt added. Maybe.

    Just as orane juice has one and only one ingredient: oranges. I can libe with the oranges’ being concentrated and reconstituted with water. But if you add corn syrup, sugar, etc. you cannot call it orange juice. In fact, it’s illegal to do so, hence the nasty imitations and adolterations with all that crap are labeled “orange juice drink” or some such.

    Yet supermarkets’ shelves are full of jars labeled “peanut butter” which contain peanut butter adulterated with hydrogenated vegetable oils, salt, sugar. corn syrup, etc.

    That’s mislabeling.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  202. Sheesh, just put in “American white scientists” and see what comes up…gag me with a spoon.

  203. syonredux says:
    @Autochthon

    Edison does have a handful of accomplishments for which he himself deserves credit, but they were on the order of engineering, not science (cf. Art Deco’s comment)

    The handful’s pretty impressive:phonograph, quadruplex telegraph, carbon microphone, fluoroscope….

    As for the borderline between science and engineering….I’m never quite sure where to draw that one…

  204. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymouse

    So go with the flow: if Google insists on picturing blacks when one asks for whites, so be it.

    Easy for you to say. It’s not your ox being gored.

  205. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    Thank you.

  206. Guest says:

    Your art count is off. It is 7 black and 4 white. Both Bearden and Tanner are given as
    AA though you could fool a lot of people.

  207. @ACommenter

    You are wrong about Sargent and even wronger about Rockwell, but as right as rain about Repin.

    • Replies: @ACommenter
  208. @syonredux

    Yep that’s why I would rank them as great artists – vs just very very very good.

    I would Sargent in the patheon with Turner, Rembrandt, Velasquez, etc.

  209. @Old Palo Altan

    Look at Sargent and Homer’s watercolors -ground breaking not just in a novelty way.
    Rockwell from a technical standpoint, surpassed the french academics (well maybe no Borgerou) but managed to keep emotion and vitality in his paintings…

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  210. @Lurker

    She did two jobs as a chemist. Her speciality was thin film chemistry. She helped to invent Mr Whippy ice cream after the war when ingredients were short due to rationing. The task was to bulk out the ice-cream by filling G it with air bubbles.

    She also worked at a factory coating “plastic” films – Bedford, later ICI Imagedata. The main product at the time was photographic film base. I led a research team there to develop an optical tape medium and drive for data storage. My team, I was absent meeting Sony in Japan after chasing them for 2 years, presented our product to her, when she was PM. According to them she still understood what the chemistry was about.

    Her husband ran a petrochemical company but after marriage she switched to tax law.

    She is probably on the list because she was the first science graduate to become the British PM. She emphasised that when people talked to her about being the first woman PM. Unlike the American candidate she didn’t say “Vote for me because I am woman”. She claimed that being from the North, not far North at that, of England was more of a glass ceiling than being a woman. In the Tory party that may well have been true. Class distinction remains a real thing.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  211. No Feynman or Shannon in either list of scientists?

    My initial reaction was “What the actual fuck, America.“, but the entire issue has an alternative explanation.

    For present purposes, let’s define “the entire issue” as “Is Google Trying to World-Improve Through Biasing Search Results?“.

    I hold no brief for GOOG, but the obvious answer is “Nope“.

    Bear in mind that the World Improvers at Google are unambiguously not over-represented among the people who can write (or read, or check, or test) code; quite the opposite. (Yes, Sergei was a half-decent coder, but he’s not as hands-on as, e.g., Linus Torvalds – and Sergei does not have the time to check every new commit).

    The World Improver/SJW claque occupy bullshit jobs in departments of Diversity and Inclusiveness and Making the World Out of Hugs (Unless You’re a Badwhite, In Which Case We Want You Fired).

    In other words, they’re glorified clerks and PAs – and some of them worm their way into the ubiquitous layer of middle-management bullshit-artists. Middle management also can’t code (or check or test).

    Point is: they could issue as many directives to the coders as they like, but the coders are hostile to their entire schtick, and the SJWs are not capable of determining if their directives are being implemented. (It’s a bit like the ‘Gavin Belson’ problem at Hooli… lol)

    James Damore is ‘representative’ of a coder; he’s almost an archetype.

    In stark contrast, Danielle Brown is ‘representative’ of the sort of tag-along “I am in tech” busybody who was formerly a glorified PA at Intel. In other words, one step above receptionist.

    So anyhow… onwards towards a fuller explanation.

    The hint is where Bing qualifies its results by declaring that its selections are scientists “frequently mentioned on the web” – which would in turn mean that they were ‘mentioned’ in webpages that Microsludge’s spiders can crawl (OK, plus the search histories of the half-dozen people globally who use Bing as their default search engine).

    The thing to remember is that both Google and Bing’s search results pivot off two things: links between pages (the old ‘PageRank’), and search history frequencies.

    And here’s where we can sneak up on the causa causans; Google is furnishing an unbiased estimate of the search histories of people who search for historical personages… viz., high school students.

    Google will have a near-total lock on the searches conducted by the entire high school populace.

    High school history is one of the most politicised curricula that exists – Orwell’s dictum “Who controls the past, controls the future” applies.

    There is intense political competition for slots in the US history textbook market – including competition for board positions on the “textbook-deciders” in Texas (the Texas BoE), since other states seem to follow their lead. There was a NYRB article about it half a decade ago, so it’s not like it’s news. (How Texas Inflicts Bad Textbooks on Us – June 2012).

    And to top it off: high school teachers – being third-rate at best – are also among the strident core of virtue-signallers (since obese forty-something divorcées are hugely over-represented among school teachers, and also over-represented among people with grievances whose personal lives are in disarray).

    The Google results are a symptom of this social dynamic.

    It is not possible for the SJWs to institutionally ‘capture’ Google, because they are technologically incompetent and therefore cannot influence the code (and therefore the core functionality).

    However SJWs are perfectly suited to institutionally capturing secondary (and tertiary non-STEM) education: they like bossing people around and they’re cognitively third-quintile… so schoolteaching is one of their few economic options (they’re too physically weak to join the other economic drafts – the military and police).

    Put the ‘capture’ where it is more likely to be, and it’s all much less of a surprise.

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  212. @Kratoklastes

    In general, the silly lists are ones that K-12 would be assigned to do a report on. The college level lists have much less racial propagandizing.

    And iSteve kinda-sorta knew this, but kept doing the comparisons anyway…

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  213. @Kratoklastes

    Sorry, but I pointed out the K-12 aspect way back in 2016:

    Presumably, Google must get a lot of requests for “African American inventors” and assumes that’s what you really meant when you ask for “American inventors.” After all, what kind of sick Nazi do you have to be to be interested in your fellow Americans irrespective of race? That’s racist!

    This phenomenon appears to be tied into propagandizing schoolchildren in K-12. For example, if I Google American psychologists, a subject only of interest to college and above, I get a pretty reasonable list with William James at #1:

    On the other hand, American mathematicians, which is more of a K-12 school report topic than psychologists, is pretty silly:

    (On the other hand, #10 David Blackwell, a Berkeley statistician, is fairly legit.)

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/great-moments-in-google-american-inventors/

  214. @ACommenter

    I mean no disrespect to any of those artists, but simply cannot concur with you that they are “great”.
    Many years ago I attended with much anticipation a major exhibition of Sargent’s work at the Tate.

    I spent two hours at least looking at his work, and came away with a much less sanguine view of his talent than I had previously held.

    Specifically the watercolours: I found them flat and washed out. They look better in photographs than they do in reality.

    To call him a better painter in watercolours than that miracle Bonnington strikes me as – well, just plain odd.

    Rockwell’s work is admirable, but at that level, I think Leydecker had a more interesting way with his brush.

    But both were illustrators, not artists. And I think both would have admitted as much.

  215. @lavoisier

    Also, there are many top chemists and biologists that few have ever heard of whose accomplishments are truly remarkable. The guy who won the Nobel Prize in Medicine this year, James Allison, made a discovery that has already saved hundreds of thousands of lives around the world. Tough to beat that accomplishment in any country or century.

    Borlaug also comes to mind. His work on wheat was hugely instrumental in ensuring that a billion people didn’t starve to death.

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  216. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Oh gosh what an error! I didn’t realize. Thanks for the correction…

  217. Anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    This is a point of controversy I understand. Croatian nationalists definitely do regard him as a Croat.

  218. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:

    I would Bayesian bet that the Google algorithm people are egging the pudding to propagandize (“enlighten”). It’s possible that it is just a search error from African American scientist searches. But I really doubt it. Google search is really pretty adroit and effective on non PC topics. I stopped using Duckduckgo or Bing even though I prefer the non-tracking or less PC features of each. But Google is just better for a random search on some normal topic.

    Some excuses are made for Google in that some other searches (US scientists) don’t show the black wall. Supposedly this validates the (kids looking for African American scientist) excuse. But I think it is really more likely evidence that human intervention was done to bias the algorithm. But not done on every possible search.

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  219. @Anonymous

    But I think it is really more likely evidence that human intervention was done to bias the algorithm.

    Or human intervention was not done to make the algorithm less dumb.

  220. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Kratoklastes

    Good choice that one for sure. He also did most of his work in Texas, as did Allison.

    I just wish we had someone who could discover something that would balance our ability to feed billions with the damage that such an enormous human population has wrought on the natural world.

  221. Anon87 says:
    @Anonymouse

    Thank you for the feedback.

    I wasn’t aware of their (proprietary?) Scholar. Do other engines just ignore papers, or don’t have access? Does Google pay for access?

    I’ve always used the quotes trick when searching since it usually improves results.

    Maps are a must have, Streetview is more a nice to have.

    Google Translate sometimes comes in handy.

    There used to be more oddball stuff on the More tab. Free CAD tools for example.

    In summary, I can’t totally quit Google, but I’m down to at least less than 20% usage.

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