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According to the NYT:

Between 2000 and 2010, the number of legal black African immigrants in the United States about doubled, to around one million. During that single decade, according to the most reliable estimates, more black Africans arrived in this country on their own than were imported directly to North America during the more than three centuries of the slave trade.

There are about 100 times more blacks in the U.S. today than arrived via the slave trade.

 
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  1. As with all immigrants: they move here; we don’t move there.

    I believe the descriptive phrase is: ramp to failure.

    • Replies: @Bastion
    More like the HOV lane to failure.
  2. So 400 K imported slaves have ballooned into 40 M people. Meanwhile around 45 M European immigrants have only enlarged to about 200 M people. How does the oppressed group grow this much? Has their growth always been high, or has it been exacerbated during the Great Society era of the last fifty years? The notion many of us have is that the welfare system pays poor blacks to have multiple kids out of wedlock. Were blacks having this many kids when there was no social safety net to pick up the slack?

    • Replies: @Numinous

    So 400 K imported slaves have ballooned into 40 M people. Meanwhile around 45 M European immigrants have only enlarged to about 200 M people.
     
    These numbers will change significantly if you discard the one-drop rule.
    , @Fred
    Just take a look around the world,where black people live,regardless of economic conditions,the populations increase all the time..
    , @WhatEvvs
    " How does the oppressed group grow this much?"

    They used to be a capital investment. Their growth was subsidized.
  3. Yep. And just look at the way importing a mass black African population worked out last time it was tried.
    What’s that saying from Einstein again, about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

    • Replies: @mahaloeveryone
    Don't lump all african immigrants together.

    Big difference between educated professional immigrant Ghanians and Nigerians (I know someone going to bring up scammers, but that is more the exception than the rule), as opposed to the practically tribal level somalis.

    The upper socioeconomic ghanians and nigerians do not have any more kids than people in their similar bracket, and even their children and less well off immigrants all hold up high levels of expectations for educations and success and are very competitive in that regard.


    US black americans are a new people or population that cannot be compared to actual african.

    Genomically wise they are at least 20% white with a little native american, being slaves was no great influence as well as they are the product of assimilating the culture of the south (scots-irish "redneck", not a highbrow culture), worse is the assimilation of the hippie culture of the sixties and seventies, rich white kids could get away with acting promiscously, doing drugs and opposing traditional values, poor blacks doing the same thing was disaterous, with the combo victim mentality and afrocentricism, we have what is the dysfunctional present day culture we see.


    So no, we are not going to have a repeat as we do not have the same type or class of people, unless they start absorbing too much of the black american culture.

    The future will show many a contribution from these driven, intelligent, educated african immigrants (with the exception of the somalis, but who knows maybe there's hope for them too)
  4. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “So 400 K imported slaves have ballooned into 40 M people. Meanwhile around 45 M European immigrants have only enlarged to about 200 M people. How does the oppressed group grow this much? Has their growth always been high, or has it been exacerbated during the Great Society era of the last fifty years? The notion many of us have is that the welfare system pays poor blacks to have multiple kids out of wedlock. Were blacks having this many kids when there was no social safety net to pick up the slack?”


    http://www.nber.org/vital-stats-books/vsrates1900_40.CV.pdf (see pages in the 676 range or so)
    Black fertility was consistently higher historically. This shouldn’t be surprising–the correlation between lower levels of education (and similar such things) and higher fertility rates is well-known throughout the world. America was always wealthy enough for even the poorest blacks to afford many kids, even absent the welfare system. (Obviously, during slavery and after, southern white elites had a monetary interest in high black fertility rates.)

    • Replies: @Eric Rasmusen
    Actually, I think richer people have more kids, though I might be wrong.

    It's crucial to keep in mind time of arrival. Slaves all arrived before 1807. That gave them a 100 year head start on Italians and Jews. I'd like to see a table of fertility rates for each of the immigrant groups.

    What's most puzzling is the incredible death rate of slaves in Latin America. Was that due to disease, or did the sugar plantations for some reason find it profitable to work them to death? Or was it cheaper to bring in new slaves than to raise children?
    , @granesperanzablanco
    Of course a lot of screwing slaves as well
  5. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-eternal-collapse-russia-11126

    The prevailing idea is that we must not tolerate ‘antisemitism’ and must condemn all ‘anti-semites’ because ‘antisemitism’ led to the holocaust.

    Okay, but why is ‘Russophobia’ promoted and encouraged–and how come ‘Russophobic’ thinkers are not censured and blacklisted–when ‘Russophobic’ ideas, esp that of Hitler, led to the invasion of Russia that devoured 20 million lives? The Russocaust.

    If ‘antisemitism’ must not be tolerated because Hitler’s antisemitism killed 5 million Jews, then shouldn’t we condemn ‘Russophobia’ since Hitler’s ‘Russophobia’ killed 20-27 million people in the East?

    Yet, not only is ‘Russophobia’ all the rage in the West but Putin and Russians are compared with Hitler by the western globo-elites.

    • Replies: @Anon
    This is a pretty poor analogy. Antisemitism clearly led to the holocaust and the attempted extermination of an entire people is very different to the deaths in wartime caused by Hitler's actions. The German invasion wasn't simply driven by the same motives as the holocaust although racial attitudes to Slavs helped justify mass killings in the USSR.
    In my experience many older Russians feel a kind of instinctive anti German feeling, perhaps akin to anti semi-semitism (and rightly so) but current Germans don't really suffer from a persistent anti Russian feeling that corresponds to anti-semitism and nor do Europeans in general. Although people who live in former soviet bloc countries are highly suspicious of Russian motives (again with good historical reason).
    I would agree that Russian decisions and motivations are often scrutinised or condemned in a way that is hypocritical and this is a legacy in part of the Cold War. However Putin is an authoritarian leader and whilst it is ridiculous to compare him to Hitler it sometimes seems that people on the alternative right are willing to turn a blind eye to his faults.
  6. In their 1968 song “Salt Of The Earth” the Rolling Stones sang, “Let’s think of the wavering millions / who need leaders but get gamblers instead.”

    If only.

    Would you not prefer overwhelmingly to have gamblers instead of the spineless traitors under whom we have been and continue to be burdened, blighted, bullied, beleaguered, and benighted?

  7. So what is the plan to fix this system?

    I don’t know myself, but it will require a very broad coalition.

    At minimum, restrictionists need to (1) take back control of the GOP and (2) ensure the GOP reaches the 63% of the white vote needed to win the presidency (3) figure out how to keep the Senate majority they are going to win in 2014 due to dumb luck of the Senate Class calendar, when the dumb luck will swing heavily to the Democrats in 2016.

    This is going to require, at minimum, figuring out a restrictionist plan that Mark Z., Charles and David K, and Shelden A can either get behind, or at least not actively oppose. All of these men have shown a willingness to randomly drop tens of millions of dollars into politics.

    I kinda like all of them. Buying them off for the greater good is no sacrifice.

    Mark Z hates that he can’t just fly into Menlo Park the random computer geniuses he wants working for his company. The man is known to buy other companies regularly for $10 million+ per employee, or in the case of WhatsApp, for $344 million per employee. A lot of these guys are from places where it is pretty hard to immigrate to the USA, like India, China, South Korea, Japan, Finland, Russia, Estonia, and Ukraine. Sure, you throw a ton of money at immigration lawyers, they’ll eventually be allowed in. But the whole process is expensive, slow, and cumbersome. And if they want to bring some family and friends that’s even more of a hassle.

    Meanwhile, random Somalis are getting their cousins in by marrying them.

    I think Mark Z is a pretty good judge of talent, and if he wants to bring these guys into Silicon Valley to work, we should roll out the red carpet.

    Shelden A doesn’t seem to care much one way or another on immigration issues (obvious exception is Israel). His casinos don’t require elite foreigners to stay internationally competitive. All he wants is to keep internet gambling illegal.

    Once again, we should agree to Shelden’s demand. Jeff Sessions, restrictionism’s best friend in Washington, should also become a strong voice against legalizing Internet gambling. Frankly it is a horrible idea anyway. Legal internet gambling will make a few vice-pedling businessmen obscenely rich while destroying families. Casinos already do this, but on a much smaller scale, and going to one regularly is out of reach for most Americans right now.

    Charles and David K’s big issues are they don’t want to pay taxes or comply with additional environmental regulations. This for me is a hard pill to swallow, but I’ll certainly still do it. Taxes are, in fact, too high (though not too high on them). And while global warming is real, I’m not too convinced that it will be a major problem. And with fracking, I don’t want it done in California, but whether it is done in Kansas and North Dakota should be left up to the people who live there. And while I disagree with most of their Kansas libertarianism, to their great credit they also have strongly funded anti-war Republicans since the 1970’s.

    • Replies: @S. Verdad
    Hard to immigrate from India, China, and S. Korea? China and India are #s 2 and 4, I believe, in total U.S. immigrants. S. Korea was inexplicably added to the Visa Waiver Program. All they need is a passport.

    The black immigrants are overwhelmingly from Nigeria, Ghana, and Liberia, and are the result largely of 'humanitarian' policies like TPS as well as staggering levels of refugee, asylum, and marriage fraud. The fraud does not stop with the immigration process either. I wish you guys could see the tax returns of these f-ing leeches. Both spouses file H of H (from the same address even) and claim fictitious foster children, etc. We are forbidden from diming them out to IRS due to 'privacy' laws and I don't think IRS would care even if we could report it.
  8. matt says:

    The population of sub-Saharan Africa is also much larger than it was between 1619 and 1807. According to one estimate (p. 239, table B-9), the population of Africa south of the Sahara was 44 million in 1600 and 63 million in 1820. Today it’s 936.1 million. That means it’s about 15 times higher than it was at the end of the slave trade era. It’s also far easier for people to move around the planet than it was in 1750. None of this should be surprising.

  9. Steve has hit upon the most appalling part of our current immigration system: our “open door” policy with Somalia.

    Is there any society in the world more horribly evil and dysfunctional? What percentage of Somali men have fired machine guns at their fellow Somalis? Half? Two thirds?

    Somalia is the place where Al Qaeda operates mostl freely because the people there like Al Qaeda.

    An axiom of English common law is that pirates are the common enemy of mankind. Somalia is the only place on our planet ruled by such people.

    And now, using guns and plane tickets bought with American welfare checks, our massive population of Somali child soldiers, now all grown up, are joining in a genocidal war against the Christians and Crypto-Christians of Syria and Northern Iraq. These are people who, sitting in their Minneapolis Section 8 housing watching videos of ISIS thugs cutting off heads and machine gunning men lined up in trenches, decide they should go rush out to join them.

  10. These are the kinds of stats that are useful.

    What percent of the black population trace back to slaves?

  11. from the link:

    These estimates provide a good idea of the relative scale of the forced migration to the United States. As a whole, the transatlantic slave trade displaced an estimated 12.5 million people, with about 10,650,000 surviving the Atlantic crossing. Thus, even though a substantial number of Africans actually reached the United States, they were only a small proportion, about 3.6 percent, of the total number of Africans who were brought to the Americas. More Africans went to Barbados (435,000), while almost three times as many went to Jamaica (1,020,000). The number of African arriving in North America was considerably less than those who were taken to Brazil (4,810,000).

    Brazil population 170 million
    43.13% Pardo
    7.61% Black
    If half the pardo are black as American blacks then this makes about 50 million blacks there from the 4.3 million brought in. Blacks have thrived here in comparison. Quickie math puts US blacks at 40 million.

    • Replies: @Marcio
    Most pardos are not black visually, even for American standards. The typical pardo looks line Neymar or Vin Diesel. And genetically, even the blacks (the 7.61%) in Brazil tend to be around 60% white and tend to be less "black" than American blacks.
  12. […] More Africans Arrived Here in Last Decade Than During Entire Slave Trade […]

  13. What is the average IQ of African immigrants? The African continental average is about 70, but I would presume that the immigrants were mostly from the right side of the normal curve. A good guess would be that this set of immigrants lowered the average US IQ somewhat.

  14. Looks like some people are better at reproducing. Darwin and such.

    • Replies: @Harold
    Weird thing for a homo to say. Especially since the less homo-friendly groups are, the better they are at reproducing.
  15. And that’s not counting Afro-Caribbeans! Haitians, Jamaicans, Barbadians, etc. An endless “enrichment” from the African diaspora.

  16. The Ta Nahesi Coates theory is the “white supremacy” is built into the structure of America, forever preventing blacks from getting a fair shake here.

    Doesn’t the large number of black immigrants falsify his theory?

  17. As I keep saying, in a a generation or two slave ancestry Africans will be a distinct minority among black people.

    At the elite level — and it is a tiny elite — it is already happened.

    At the middle class level – which is still pretty small — is will happen in a generation. What percent of medical students who are black are immigrants or one generation removed?

    For the remaining 90%, we are squeezing them enough into slow genocide.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    they've had more to say about what is happening to them than we have.
  18. @Ted
    Looks like some people are better at reproducing. Darwin and such.

    Weird thing for a homo to say. Especially since the less homo-friendly groups are, the better they are at reproducing.

  19. Hey iSteve, what do Nigeria and Mexico have in common? They both are dumping excess people in the US and they both have a Lebanese state appointed billionaire.

    Gilbert Ramez Chagoury (born 8 January 1946) is a Lebanese-Nigerian businessman, diplomat and philanthropist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_R._Chagoury

    US Apologizes to Billionaire Added to Terror No-fly List
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-apologizes-billionaire-added-terror-fly-list/story?id=10698917

    I first heard of Chagoury from Ted Cruz’ little fiasco yesterday:

    Ted Cruz booed, walks off stage
    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/ted-cruz-booed-israel-comments-110848.html

    Maybe America should dump our current stale billionaires and replace them with patriotic Lebanese.

  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ted said:

    Looks like some people are better at reproducing. Darwin and such.

    Which is made possible by another people looking after their sustenance, including developing technologies to make this possible in the short term (a half century). I sometimes wonder what will happen, in the long run, to all these these third-world peoples who’ve migrated to naturally inhospitable areas (very/bitter cold during long winters) such as Somalis in Minnesota or Maine or Dominicans in Lynn, Lowell, or Lawrence, MA? It’s all well and good their migration there was facilitated by some middle aged, Suburu-driving, multicultural-pushing counselor or librarian, but these advocates themselves rarely if ever appreciate what it takes to run the infrastructure (heating systems, power generation and transmission, transportation of goods and necessities), especially in cold, northern climates (which might be getting a lot colder according to science news lately).

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    if you must respond to him, don't write a paragraph.
  21. At least the man in the photo has assimilated enough to start wearing pyjamas in public.

  22. @Clyde
    from the link:

    These estimates provide a good idea of the relative scale of the forced migration to the United States. As a whole, the transatlantic slave trade displaced an estimated 12.5 million people, with about 10,650,000 surviving the Atlantic crossing. Thus, even though a substantial number of Africans actually reached the United States, they were only a small proportion, about 3.6 percent, of the total number of Africans who were brought to the Americas. More Africans went to Barbados (435,000), while almost three times as many went to Jamaica (1,020,000). The number of African arriving in North America was considerably less than those who were taken to Brazil (4,810,000).

    Brazil population 170 million
    43.13% Pardo
    7.61% Black
    If half the pardo are black as American blacks then this makes about 50 million blacks there from the 4.3 million brought in. Blacks have thrived here in comparison. Quickie math puts US blacks at 40 million.

    Most pardos are not black visually, even for American standards. The typical pardo looks line Neymar or Vin Diesel. And genetically, even the blacks (the 7.61%) in Brazil tend to be around 60% white and tend to be less “black” than American blacks.

    • Replies: @Alfa 158
    I think that is true but Neymar is not a good example. This is what he looked like before race reassignment treatment; http://www.khelnama.com/130701/football/gallery/8-things-you-should-know-about-neymar/10074
  23. So great that these new arrivals and all their kids get a permanent advantage in admissions and hiring and government contracting over my kids. Because some folks from the other end of their home continent were treated terribly in the past. Yay. :/

  24. How can China and Russia not be greeting each other with high-fives when they see this stuff?! The West will be one huge dysfunctional place even before the prosperity ends. When the prosperity runs out it’s going to be an unbelievable cluster-F.

  25. @iSteveFan
    So 400 K imported slaves have ballooned into 40 M people. Meanwhile around 45 M European immigrants have only enlarged to about 200 M people. How does the oppressed group grow this much? Has their growth always been high, or has it been exacerbated during the Great Society era of the last fifty years? The notion many of us have is that the welfare system pays poor blacks to have multiple kids out of wedlock. Were blacks having this many kids when there was no social safety net to pick up the slack?

    So 400 K imported slaves have ballooned into 40 M people. Meanwhile around 45 M European immigrants have only enlarged to about 200 M people.

    These numbers will change significantly if you discard the one-drop rule.

  26. Ted Cruz is pathetic, but I have to say I got a chuckle out of him walking out like a prima donna after the audience reacted negatively to his canned speech. Maybe he should go to Lebanon and ask those Christians whether Israel is any friend to them?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Israel supported the Christian Lebanese against the Palestinians in the Lebanese civil war of the 1980s, and got incredible grief for it, based on a massacre at a Palestinian refugee camp conducted by the Christians. Israel, as usual, was blamed for failing to prevent the Christians from acting in a conspicuously un-Christian manner.

    That the Middle Eastern Christians, at the same time IS is evicting them from Iraq, Syria, etc., take pains to show their hatred of a country that also opposes their persecutors, says something about their priorities. It's tempting just to leave them to their fate.

  27. @Marcio
    Most pardos are not black visually, even for American standards. The typical pardo looks line Neymar or Vin Diesel. And genetically, even the blacks (the 7.61%) in Brazil tend to be around 60% white and tend to be less "black" than American blacks.

    I think that is true but Neymar is not a good example. This is what he looked like before race reassignment treatment; http://www.khelnama.com/130701/football/gallery/8-things-you-should-know-about-neymar/10074

  28. – Don’t be foolish. About the great majority of Brazilian pardos don’t have black male ancestry (black males didn’t reproduce), and nobody cares about that factor. Somebody like say me (black father/white mother) is nearly non-existent in Brazil, and a huge abnormality. I’m very young (early 20s), and not typical of Brazilians at all.

    Just because a lot of African slaves arrived in Brazil, doesn’t mean most of them reproduced. The great majority which arrived were black males from East Africa, part of the Arab Slave trade and didn’t reproduce. Arab slave traders castrated black male slaves and impregnated the female ones. Somebody should thank those Arab slave traders for why black genetics are weaker in Brazil.

    Don’t put African-Americans (West African ancestry) and Brazilian Pardos (East African great-black grandmother) in the same basket. They have literally nothing to do with each other. Genetically, a Brazilian Pardo is on average at least 80% white (sometimes higher than that) thanks to white males (e.g. colonizers, immigrants, sex tourists) screwing black female slaves and their mixed-raced female offspring for decades since the inception of Brazil.

    Brazil has the whitest genetics out of all South American countries, but I think that Politically Correct researchers are afraid of showing this factor and concentrate on “Blackness on Steroids” (e.g. affirmative action for underclass blacks in Brazilian favelas/ghettos, which are just 12 million out of 200 million Brazilians, simply 6% of the entire Brazilian population) and try to say that “Opps, those Brazilian aren’t really white”. It’s all a load of crap because last time I checked for some strange reason White Brazilians normally test 95-100% European in autosomal ancestry, and unless people are lying to my face, I get really angry.

    I just think that most media entities are afraid of talking about the historical castration of black men in Brazil, and don’t want to discuss that subject. It’s really disturbing how there’s lunatics going around saying that there’s no correlation between genotype and phenotype.

  29. @bomag
    As with all immigrants: they move here; we don't move there.

    I believe the descriptive phrase is: ramp to failure.

    More like the HOV lane to failure.

  30. Brazil has the whitest genetics out of all South American countries

    I guess Argentina and Uruguay don’t exist anymore, do they?

    • Replies: @colm
    Strangely, Suarez, the most infamous Uruguayan of all time, appears to have some Indio ancestry.
  31. @anon
    "So 400 K imported slaves have ballooned into 40 M people. Meanwhile around 45 M European immigrants have only enlarged to about 200 M people. How does the oppressed group grow this much? Has their growth always been high, or has it been exacerbated during the Great Society era of the last fifty years? The notion many of us have is that the welfare system pays poor blacks to have multiple kids out of wedlock. Were blacks having this many kids when there was no social safety net to pick up the slack?"

    http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/familyfacts/charts-web/215-FF-chart.jpg
    http://www.nber.org/vital-stats-books/vsrates1900_40.CV.pdf (see pages in the 676 range or so)
    Black fertility was consistently higher historically. This shouldn't be surprising--the correlation between lower levels of education (and similar such things) and higher fertility rates is well-known throughout the world. America was always wealthy enough for even the poorest blacks to afford many kids, even absent the welfare system. (Obviously, during slavery and after, southern white elites had a monetary interest in high black fertility rates.)

    Actually, I think richer people have more kids, though I might be wrong.

    It’s crucial to keep in mind time of arrival. Slaves all arrived before 1807. That gave them a 100 year head start on Italians and Jews. I’d like to see a table of fertility rates for each of the immigrant groups.

    What’s most puzzling is the incredible death rate of slaves in Latin America. Was that due to disease, or did the sugar plantations for some reason find it profitable to work them to death? Or was it cheaper to bring in new slaves than to raise children?

    • Replies: @anon
    "Actually, I think richer people have more kids, though I might be wrong."

    Perhaps, but in terms of national groupings (whether ethnicity or countries), wealth and fertility are negatively correlated.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic-economic_paradox

    Out of countries with more than 5 mil people, the interesting outliers are basically Israel and the US.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Death rate of slaves in Brazil and sugar colonies:

    It's only 1600 miles between West Africa and Northeast Brazil at the narrowest point, so the slave trade was a lot cheaper than going all the way to, say, Virginia. This encouraged Latin American sugar plantation owners to treat slaves as disposable assets with a short working life.

    Also, of the three big crops -- sugar, cotton, and tobacco -- sugar had the harshest working conditions: a lot of chopping with machetes which tended to cause accidental cuts which tended to get infected. And it was more tropical. The escaped slave Jim in "Huckleberry Finn" is always worried he'll get recaught and sold down the river to the sugar plantations of Louisiana. The easiest working were with the northernmost crop, tobacco, with cotton in the middle.

    So South American and Caribbean sugar plantations were the most ruthless toward their slaves and Virginia tobacco plantations were the most benign.
  32. – Argentina and Uruguay are very white in ancestry too, it’s just that Brazil is even moreso in that regard. I just think nobody wants to talk about black male castration in Brazil (thanks to influence from Arab slave traders in East Africa), and how that custom influenced Brazilian miscegenation for a long time (from colonial times to the white immigration period). Whenever I bring this up, some accuse me of being emotional or overblowing the issue, but I’m exhausted at the ignorance.

  33. – Here’s a short summary of what basically Brazilian miscegenation was for more than 200 years (before 1800s until 1970s) and believe me it wasn’t African-American in the least:

    – Black (East African) female slaves arrived much earlier (before 1800s), and so their ancestry was diffused earlier.
    – Castration of black male slaves, impregnation of black female slaves (Arab trader influence from East Africa) by white males (and possibly extensive inbreeding from polyamory, since while Pardos in Brazil have high levels of white ancestry, most of them are inbred).
    – High death rate of slaves in Brazil, and low levels of fertility, due to being overworked in plantations.
    – Immigrants arrived a century later (early 1900s). Even by then, some white male immigrants still had sexual relations with mixed-raced females and so their kids were “lighter”. Nevertheless, thanks to the arrival of immigrant females, marriage between immigrants skyrocketed and they had many of their own children as well (of just immigrant descent). Miscegenation in Brazil became more about prostitution (illegitimacy) and less about marriage as time went on.

    I think the biggest problem in Brazil is “Inbreeding” with the same white males impregnating various black, mulatta and quadroon women. I think Pardos in Brazil are quite inbred, and this is evidenced by the extreme white Y-Chromosome (90-95% white male on average) present in Pardos. They’re very, very inbred and not outbred at least. I think inbreeding is their biggest issue.

    • Replies: @IBC
    "- Black (East African) female slaves arrived much earlier (before 1800s), and so their ancestry was diffused earlier."

    As I remember from reading Hugh Thomas's history of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, only a minority of slaves came from East Africa and Madagascar. I'm pretty sure that applied to Brazil as well. Remember that the Portuguese were the first European traders in much of West Africa and for many years even had diplomats from the Kingdom of Kongo stationed in Lisbon. Transporting slaves around the Cape of Good Hope, usually meant that more of them died due to the longer voyage and the cold temperatures that they were subjected to that far south of their homelands. Although it was done to some extent when slaves were unavailable elsewhere or when ships were already going west after a voyage to the East Indies, it was usually a safer financial risk for European slavers to stick to the west coast of the continent where there was already a large slave trading (and general trade) infrastructure in place to do business with them.

  34. “They’re a self-selected population,” Ms. Nichols said. “They have to be the most ambitious and have the means to get here — at least one plane ticket — and a fearlessness about coming to a new place.”

    Stripping Africa of its scarce human capital. And to a country that has, if anything, a surplus. I have a hard time imagining a more immoral immigration policy.

    • Replies: @Enderby
    They have to be the most ambitious and have the means to get here — at least one plane ticket

    America's immigration nightmare in a nutshell. We are getting the best and the brightest!
  35. @charlie
    As I keep saying, in a a generation or two slave ancestry Africans will be a distinct minority among black people.


    At the elite level -- and it is a tiny elite -- it is already happened.

    At the middle class level - which is still pretty small -- is will happen in a generation. What percent of medical students who are black are immigrants or one generation removed?

    For the remaining 90%, we are squeezing them enough into slow genocide.

    they’ve had more to say about what is happening to them than we have.

  36. @Anonymous
    Ted said:

    Looks like some people are better at reproducing. Darwin and such.

    Which is made possible by another people looking after their sustenance, including developing technologies to make this possible in the short term (a half century). I sometimes wonder what will happen, in the long run, to all these these third-world peoples who've migrated to naturally inhospitable areas (very/bitter cold during long winters) such as Somalis in Minnesota or Maine or Dominicans in Lynn, Lowell, or Lawrence, MA? It's all well and good their migration there was facilitated by some middle aged, Suburu-driving, multicultural-pushing counselor or librarian, but these advocates themselves rarely if ever appreciate what it takes to run the infrastructure (heating systems, power generation and transmission, transportation of goods and necessities), especially in cold, northern climates (which might be getting a lot colder according to science news lately).

    if you must respond to him, don’t write a paragraph.

  37. @Eric Rasmusen
    Actually, I think richer people have more kids, though I might be wrong.

    It's crucial to keep in mind time of arrival. Slaves all arrived before 1807. That gave them a 100 year head start on Italians and Jews. I'd like to see a table of fertility rates for each of the immigrant groups.

    What's most puzzling is the incredible death rate of slaves in Latin America. Was that due to disease, or did the sugar plantations for some reason find it profitable to work them to death? Or was it cheaper to bring in new slaves than to raise children?

    “Actually, I think richer people have more kids, though I might be wrong.”

    Perhaps, but in terms of national groupings (whether ethnicity or countries), wealth and fertility are negatively correlated.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic-economic_paradox

    Out of countries with more than 5 mil people, the interesting outliers are basically Israel and the US.

  38. For what it’s worth, almost all Nigerian immigrants I have met are upstanding, self-supporting members of society. They really don’t like ghetto African-Americans, in my experience.

  39. @Eric Rasmusen
    Actually, I think richer people have more kids, though I might be wrong.

    It's crucial to keep in mind time of arrival. Slaves all arrived before 1807. That gave them a 100 year head start on Italians and Jews. I'd like to see a table of fertility rates for each of the immigrant groups.

    What's most puzzling is the incredible death rate of slaves in Latin America. Was that due to disease, or did the sugar plantations for some reason find it profitable to work them to death? Or was it cheaper to bring in new slaves than to raise children?

    Death rate of slaves in Brazil and sugar colonies:

    It’s only 1600 miles between West Africa and Northeast Brazil at the narrowest point, so the slave trade was a lot cheaper than going all the way to, say, Virginia. This encouraged Latin American sugar plantation owners to treat slaves as disposable assets with a short working life.

    Also, of the three big crops — sugar, cotton, and tobacco — sugar had the harshest working conditions: a lot of chopping with machetes which tended to cause accidental cuts which tended to get infected. And it was more tropical. The escaped slave Jim in “Huckleberry Finn” is always worried he’ll get recaught and sold down the river to the sugar plantations of Louisiana. The easiest working were with the northernmost crop, tobacco, with cotton in the middle.

    So South American and Caribbean sugar plantations were the most ruthless toward their slaves and Virginia tobacco plantations were the most benign.

    • Replies: @HandsomeWhiteDevil
    Interestingly, only in Britain's mainland North American colonies was the black population able to grow by natural increase. In the Caribbean & South American colonies, the black death rate was much greater than the birth rate, thus requiring constant replenishment of the slave population by imports from Africa.

    Not something you hear spoken of very often these days, I wonder why...
  40. Nigerians are well known thoughout Africa for being upstanding people.

  41. @Luke Lea
    "“They’re a self-selected population,” Ms. Nichols said. “They have to be the most ambitious and have the means to get here — at least one plane ticket — and a fearlessness about coming to a new place.”"

    Stripping Africa of its scarce human capital. And to a country that has, if anything, a surplus. I have a hard time imagining a more immoral immigration policy.

    They have to be the most ambitious and have the means to get here — at least one plane ticket

    America’s immigration nightmare in a nutshell. We are getting the best and the brightest!

  42. Give us your tired, lazy, corrupt, yearning for flat screen TVs –
    who can afford to buy at least one plane ticket

    This should be inscribed on The Statue of IMMIGRATION (er… Liberty)

  43. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The article refers to the slave trade to North America having gone on for “more than three centuries.” I think that’s wrong. European settlement in North America began in the early 1600s. Legal importation of slaves to the US ended in 1808. That’s about two centuries.

    Perhaps the article is counting the West Indies as part of North America so that it can deem the slave trade to North America as beginning sometime in the 1500s (although I haven’t checked when the importation of slaves to the West Indies began). The article may also extend the existence of the slave trade to North America to the mid-19th century on the ground that the illegal importation of slaves into the US continued after 1808, at diminished volume, and was not entirely eradicated until the Civil War.

  44. Do you just make things up as you go along? Virtually all Brazilian slaves were taken from west and central Africa, not east Africa. If you look at a map of Africa in relation to South America, the reason for this should be obvious. There is plenty hard data on this subject, just Google it. You don’t have to make things up.

    And there is no evidence that male slaves were castrated in any significant number in Brazil. For some strange reason this idea appeals to you, but it is complete fantasy.

    • Replies: @HandsomeWhiteDevil
    A very large percentage of the slaves shipped to Brazil came fron Angola, in southern central Africa, thus Angola was known as 'The Mother of Brazil".

    The vast majority of East African and Madagascan slaves went to the Middle East and the lands and islands around the Indian Ocean, for obvious geographical reasons.
  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bert
    Ted Cruz is pathetic, but I have to say I got a chuckle out of him walking out like a prima donna after the audience reacted negatively to his canned speech. Maybe he should go to Lebanon and ask those Christians whether Israel is any friend to them?

    Israel supported the Christian Lebanese against the Palestinians in the Lebanese civil war of the 1980s, and got incredible grief for it, based on a massacre at a Palestinian refugee camp conducted by the Christians. Israel, as usual, was blamed for failing to prevent the Christians from acting in a conspicuously un-Christian manner.

    That the Middle Eastern Christians, at the same time IS is evicting them from Iraq, Syria, etc., take pains to show their hatred of a country that also opposes their persecutors, says something about their priorities. It’s tempting just to leave them to their fate.

    • Replies: @IBC
    "That the Middle Eastern Christians, at the same time IS is evicting them from Iraq, Syria, etc., take pains to show their hatred of a country that also opposes their persecutors, says something about their priorities. It’s tempting just to leave them to their fate."

    Also OT:

    If Israel is such a good friend to Christians in the Middle East, why isn't it providing refuge for persecuted Christians on Israeli territory? While I'm sure that there are many Jewish Israelis who don't want to see Christians or even "apostate" Muslims being executed by ISIS, talk is cheap in a situation like this. What is the Israeli government actually doing? If I've missed something where Ted Cruz hasn't, please let me know. I would love to be surprised on this issue.

    As for Christian Arabs hating Israel, wouldn't this give them a reason to actually support Israel for a change? I've read that Hamas does receive some financial support from Lebanese Christians living abroad, similar to the way the IRA gets its "donations." But the Christian refugees we're talking about here, aren't from Lebanon (yet). Israel should look at the record of Christian Middle Easterners in Sweden. Do they associate with radical Muslim groups? Are they bombing synagogues and Jewish day schools? If they honestly aren't a security risk (beyond biting their own tongues) and Israel really is serious about fighting religious and ethnic persecution as actual crimes against humanity, why isn't Israel doing more to help these people?

  46. @Alcestis Eshtemoa
    @Clyde - Here's a short summary of what basically Brazilian miscegenation was for more than 200 years (before 1800s until 1970s) and believe me it wasn't African-American in the least:

    - Black (East African) female slaves arrived much earlier (before 1800s), and so their ancestry was diffused earlier.
    - Castration of black male slaves, impregnation of black female slaves (Arab trader influence from East Africa) by white males (and possibly extensive inbreeding from polyamory, since while Pardos in Brazil have high levels of white ancestry, most of them are inbred).
    - High death rate of slaves in Brazil, and low levels of fertility, due to being overworked in plantations.
    - Immigrants arrived a century later (early 1900s). Even by then, some white male immigrants still had sexual relations with mixed-raced females and so their kids were "lighter". Nevertheless, thanks to the arrival of immigrant females, marriage between immigrants skyrocketed and they had many of their own children as well (of just immigrant descent). Miscegenation in Brazil became more about prostitution (illegitimacy) and less about marriage as time went on.

    I think the biggest problem in Brazil is "Inbreeding" with the same white males impregnating various black, mulatta and quadroon women. I think Pardos in Brazil are quite inbred, and this is evidenced by the extreme white Y-Chromosome (90-95% white male on average) present in Pardos. They're very, very inbred and not outbred at least. I think inbreeding is their biggest issue.

    “- Black (East African) female slaves arrived much earlier (before 1800s), and so their ancestry was diffused earlier.”

    As I remember from reading Hugh Thomas’s history of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, only a minority of slaves came from East Africa and Madagascar. I’m pretty sure that applied to Brazil as well. Remember that the Portuguese were the first European traders in much of West Africa and for many years even had diplomats from the Kingdom of Kongo stationed in Lisbon. Transporting slaves around the Cape of Good Hope, usually meant that more of them died due to the longer voyage and the cold temperatures that they were subjected to that far south of their homelands. Although it was done to some extent when slaves were unavailable elsewhere or when ships were already going west after a voyage to the East Indies, it was usually a safer financial risk for European slavers to stick to the west coast of the continent where there was already a large slave trading (and general trade) infrastructure in place to do business with them.

  47. @Steve Sailer
    Death rate of slaves in Brazil and sugar colonies:

    It's only 1600 miles between West Africa and Northeast Brazil at the narrowest point, so the slave trade was a lot cheaper than going all the way to, say, Virginia. This encouraged Latin American sugar plantation owners to treat slaves as disposable assets with a short working life.

    Also, of the three big crops -- sugar, cotton, and tobacco -- sugar had the harshest working conditions: a lot of chopping with machetes which tended to cause accidental cuts which tended to get infected. And it was more tropical. The escaped slave Jim in "Huckleberry Finn" is always worried he'll get recaught and sold down the river to the sugar plantations of Louisiana. The easiest working were with the northernmost crop, tobacco, with cotton in the middle.

    So South American and Caribbean sugar plantations were the most ruthless toward their slaves and Virginia tobacco plantations were the most benign.

    Interestingly, only in Britain’s mainland North American colonies was the black population able to grow by natural increase. In the Caribbean & South American colonies, the black death rate was much greater than the birth rate, thus requiring constant replenishment of the slave population by imports from Africa.

    Not something you hear spoken of very often these days, I wonder why…

  48. At first the Portuguese explorers went to Angola, which is in South-West Africa, but sooner or later they change route and navigated East, to the East African country of Mozambique.

  49. match says:

    September 11, 2014 at 6:00 pm GMT

    Do you just make things up as you go along? Virtually all Brazilian slaves were taken from west and central Africa, not east Africa. If you look at a map of Africa in relation to South America, the reason for this should be obvious. There is plenty hard data on this subject, just Google it. You don’t have to make things up.

    And there is no evidence that male slaves were castrated in any significant number in Brazil. For some strange reason this idea appeals to you, but it is complete fantasy.

    I never said that black males were castrated in Brazil, just that the Arab traders castrated their East African black male slaves and then exchanged those slaves across the Atlantic.

    Sure, the Portuguese FIRST went to Cape Verde, which is an Island near West Africa, but then they navigated to the South-Western country of Angola, afterwards, they reached Mozambique, which is East Africa.

    Before you accuse me making up stuff how do you explain the Black Brazilians have a lot of Southern and Eastern African DNA in their ancestry? Why the low levels of West African ancestry?

    The media entities which believe that black slaves in Brazil had West African ancestry are rich black American women such as Oprah, which are mostly West African. They fund international leftist NGOs to revise the history of Brazil, to make it seem more West African than it is (because African-Americans such as Oprah are mostly West African in ancestry).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Back in the 1990s, a black Brazilian ran the fastest marathon ever up to that point. I suspect he had a lot of East African ancestors.

    There's a theory that the famous rise of the Zulus around 1800 had a lot to do with Portuguese slaving in Delgado Bay in Mozambique.

  50. @match
    @Alcestis Eshtemoa

    Do you just make things up as you go along? Virtually all Brazilian slaves were taken from west and central Africa, not east Africa. If you look at a map of Africa in relation to South America, the reason for this should be obvious. There is plenty hard data on this subject, just Google it. You don't have to make things up.

    And there is no evidence that male slaves were castrated in any significant number in Brazil. For some strange reason this idea appeals to you, but it is complete fantasy.

    A very large percentage of the slaves shipped to Brazil came fron Angola, in southern central Africa, thus Angola was known as ‘The Mother of Brazil”.

    The vast majority of East African and Madagascan slaves went to the Middle East and the lands and islands around the Indian Ocean, for obvious geographical reasons.

  51. @Anonymous
    Israel supported the Christian Lebanese against the Palestinians in the Lebanese civil war of the 1980s, and got incredible grief for it, based on a massacre at a Palestinian refugee camp conducted by the Christians. Israel, as usual, was blamed for failing to prevent the Christians from acting in a conspicuously un-Christian manner.

    That the Middle Eastern Christians, at the same time IS is evicting them from Iraq, Syria, etc., take pains to show their hatred of a country that also opposes their persecutors, says something about their priorities. It's tempting just to leave them to their fate.

    “That the Middle Eastern Christians, at the same time IS is evicting them from Iraq, Syria, etc., take pains to show their hatred of a country that also opposes their persecutors, says something about their priorities. It’s tempting just to leave them to their fate.”

    Also OT:

    If Israel is such a good friend to Christians in the Middle East, why isn’t it providing refuge for persecuted Christians on Israeli territory? While I’m sure that there are many Jewish Israelis who don’t want to see Christians or even “apostate” Muslims being executed by ISIS, talk is cheap in a situation like this. What is the Israeli government actually doing? If I’ve missed something where Ted Cruz hasn’t, please let me know. I would love to be surprised on this issue.

    As for Christian Arabs hating Israel, wouldn’t this give them a reason to actually support Israel for a change? I’ve read that Hamas does receive some financial support from Lebanese Christians living abroad, similar to the way the IRA gets its “donations.” But the Christian refugees we’re talking about here, aren’t from Lebanon (yet). Israel should look at the record of Christian Middle Easterners in Sweden. Do they associate with radical Muslim groups? Are they bombing synagogues and Jewish day schools? If they honestly aren’t a security risk (beyond biting their own tongues) and Israel really is serious about fighting religious and ethnic persecution as actual crimes against humanity, why isn’t Israel doing more to help these people?

  52. I’m sure the only plausible explanation for this is that these poor, unsuspecting blacks don’t have a clue about the awful, oppressive white racism in store for them here in America.

    But now that they’re here, we’ll have to inform them.

    Isn’t it just a bit odd that liberals blame whites for “black failure,” then turn around and call whites racist if they want to prevent more victims of oppressive white racism from immigrating to the US? Isn’t it just a bit odd that liberals cheer the arrival of these blacks, when they know the poor dears are going to be oppressed and discriminated against and held down by vicious white racism?

    Doesn’t all of that kinda add up to liberals hating both whites and blacks?

    Isn’t that misanthropy? And isn’t it odd that liberals have managed to make hatred of one sector of humanity into the worst crime ever, and misanthropy, the hatred of mankind in general, into no big deal?

  53. Israel supported the Christian Lebanese against the Palestinians in the Lebanese civil war of the 1980s, and got incredible grief for it, based on a massacre at a Palestinian refugee camp conducted by the Christians. Israel, as usual, was blamed for failing to prevent the Christians from acting in a conspicuously un-Christian manner.

    So, now Jews are saying that the American gov’t and establishment should just step out of the way, and let white supremacist militias have free rein in black neighborhoods? And Jews won’t blame the American gov’t and establishment for whatever ensues, because it would be racist to blame them for failing to prevent white supremacists from acting in a conspicuously un-civilized manner?

    Good to know. You Zionists make great arguments. Very useful.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    What does your response have to do with the quoted comment? Among other intellectual deficiencies, you seem to have trouble with the concept that the Jews in Israel and Jews in America are different people. Also, the massacre referred to took place in Lebanon, in an area under Christian militia control, not in Israel. So your analogy to your fantasy of joining your fellow white supremacists in a pogrom against blacks in the US does not make much sense. Aside from the fact that such a scenario is about as likely as a pig flying.
  54. Looks like some people are better at reproducing. Darwin and such.

    Good, then they don’t need our help for anything. Or our charity. They’re doing just fine.

    White heathens (“gentiles”), on the other hand, are going to need some protecting, like an endangered species. Even lib scum like you understand how environmentalists want to save endangered species.

    Which is made possible by another people looking after their sustenance, including developing technologies to make this possible in the short term (a half century).

    Right. Meaning, liberalism is maladaptive and destructive to whites.

    Most pardos are not black visually, even for American standards. The typical pardo looks line Neymar or Vin Diesel. And genetically, even the blacks (the 7.61%) in Brazil tend to be around 60% white and tend to be less “black” than American blacks.

    So, somewhere along the way, Brazil carried out a genocide against the slaves they imported, or their descendants, or both.

    – Don’t be foolish. About the great majority of Brazilian pardos don’t have black male ancestry (black males didn’t reproduce)

    Right, so, like I said, genocide. And white Americans should point their fingers at Brazil when Jews, latinos, foreigners, leftists, and the rest point their fingers at white America. I recommend white Americans point their fingers at the Jews and their treatment of the Palestinians, too, for that matter.

    Brazil has the whitest genetics out of all South American countries

    I guess Argentina and Uruguay don’t exist anymore, do they?

    Don’t sweat it. Somewhere on the web, right now, Brazilians are convincing white liberal multiculturalist Americans how diverse and non-white (and therefore, good) Brazil is.

    Stripping Africa of its scarce human capital. And to a country that has, if anything, a surplus. I have a hard time imagining a more immoral immigration policy.

    How about libs who are frothing at the mouth to shove these poor black folks into a broom closet with the 800 lb gorilla of racist white America? And screaming down anyone who tries to stop them?

    Nigerians are well known thoughout Africa the internet for being upstanding people.

    FIFY.

  55. “The prevailing idea is that we must not tolerate ‘antisemitism’ and must condemn all ‘anti-semites’ because ‘antisemitism’ led to the holocaust.

    Okay, but why is ‘Russophobia’ promoted and encouraged–and how come ‘Russophobic’ thinkers are not censured and blacklisted–when ‘Russophobic’ ideas, esp that of Hitler, led to the invasion of Russia that devoured 20 million lives? The Russocaust.

    If ‘antisemitism’ must not be tolerated because Hitler’s antisemitism killed 5 million Jews, then shouldn’t we condemn ‘Russophobia’ since Hitler’s ‘Russophobia’ killed 20-27 million people in the East?

    Yet, not only is ‘Russophobia’ all the rage in the West but Putin and Russians are compared with Hitler by the western globo-elites.”

    This blog is not even about the Jews. Steve Sailer made a blog about the Jews a few days ago. You should have posted this there. But than again you ALWAYS bring up the Jews in every one of Steve Sailer’s blogs even though the majority of Steve Sailer’s blogs are not even about the Jews.

  56. @Bert

    Brazil has the whitest genetics out of all South American countries
     
    I guess Argentina and Uruguay don't exist anymore, do they?

    Strangely, Suarez, the most infamous Uruguayan of all time, appears to have some Indio ancestry.

  57. @Anonymous
    Yep. And just look at the way importing a mass black African population worked out last time it was tried.
    What's that saying from Einstein again, about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

    Don’t lump all african immigrants together.

    Big difference between educated professional immigrant Ghanians and Nigerians (I know someone going to bring up scammers, but that is more the exception than the rule), as opposed to the practically tribal level somalis.

    The upper socioeconomic ghanians and nigerians do not have any more kids than people in their similar bracket, and even their children and less well off immigrants all hold up high levels of expectations for educations and success and are very competitive in that regard.

    US black americans are a new people or population that cannot be compared to actual african.

    Genomically wise they are at least 20% white with a little native american, being slaves was no great influence as well as they are the product of assimilating the culture of the south (scots-irish “redneck”, not a highbrow culture), worse is the assimilation of the hippie culture of the sixties and seventies, rich white kids could get away with acting promiscously, doing drugs and opposing traditional values, poor blacks doing the same thing was disaterous, with the combo victim mentality and afrocentricism, we have what is the dysfunctional present day culture we see.

    So no, we are not going to have a repeat as we do not have the same type or class of people, unless they start absorbing too much of the black american culture.

    The future will show many a contribution from these driven, intelligent, educated african immigrants (with the exception of the somalis, but who knows maybe there’s hope for them too)

  58. For what it’s worth, almost all Nigerian immigrants I have met are upstanding, self-supporting members of society. They really don’t like ghetto African-Americans, in my experience.

    True, but their kids invariably assimilate into ghetto culture.

  59. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    . Have you ever considered that Zuckerberg likes the fact that Indians will code for less than a white? Or most native-born Americans of east and south Asian descent for that matter. Why not just go full Idiocracy and stop wasting money educating native-born Americans? The relatively small number needed to administer the country can just be imported.

    • Replies: @Lot

    Have you ever considered that Zuckerberg likes the fact that Indians will code for less than a white?
     
    Are you seriously accusing Zuckerberg of being a cheap bastard when it comes to wages? This is a rare man who can say "Essentially everyone who has been working for me for more than three years is a multi-millionaire, and a fair number of them are worth more than $100 million."

    Also, I disagree that indian computer programmers reduce American programmer wages, especially for the high end bleeding edge stuff going on in SV.

    You might have a point if you're talking about mundane database and network admin work. But that has little to do with facebook.
  60. @iSteveFan
    So 400 K imported slaves have ballooned into 40 M people. Meanwhile around 45 M European immigrants have only enlarged to about 200 M people. How does the oppressed group grow this much? Has their growth always been high, or has it been exacerbated during the Great Society era of the last fifty years? The notion many of us have is that the welfare system pays poor blacks to have multiple kids out of wedlock. Were blacks having this many kids when there was no social safety net to pick up the slack?

    Just take a look around the world,where black people live,regardless of economic conditions,the populations increase all the time..

  61. For black population growth, you have to adjust for the fact that US blacks are about 20% white, on average. So there are roughly 32 million blacks.

    The early Puritan settlers bred at an impressive rate – generations and generations of families having 8 kids apiece. Samuel Huntington made this point in one of his books, and I can vouch for the same thing in my mother’s genealogical research of her own ancestors.

  62. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor
    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-eternal-collapse-russia-11126

    The prevailing idea is that we must not tolerate 'antisemitism' and must condemn all 'anti-semites' because 'antisemitism' led to the holocaust.

    Okay, but why is 'Russophobia' promoted and encouraged--and how come 'Russophobic' thinkers are not censured and blacklisted--when 'Russophobic' ideas, esp that of Hitler, led to the invasion of Russia that devoured 20 million lives? The Russocaust.

    If 'antisemitism' must not be tolerated because Hitler's antisemitism killed 5 million Jews, then shouldn't we condemn 'Russophobia' since Hitler's 'Russophobia' killed 20-27 million people in the East?

    Yet, not only is 'Russophobia' all the rage in the West but Putin and Russians are compared with Hitler by the western globo-elites.

    This is a pretty poor analogy. Antisemitism clearly led to the holocaust and the attempted extermination of an entire people is very different to the deaths in wartime caused by Hitler’s actions. The German invasion wasn’t simply driven by the same motives as the holocaust although racial attitudes to Slavs helped justify mass killings in the USSR.
    In my experience many older Russians feel a kind of instinctive anti German feeling, perhaps akin to anti semi-semitism (and rightly so) but current Germans don’t really suffer from a persistent anti Russian feeling that corresponds to anti-semitism and nor do Europeans in general. Although people who live in former soviet bloc countries are highly suspicious of Russian motives (again with good historical reason).
    I would agree that Russian decisions and motivations are often scrutinised or condemned in a way that is hypocritical and this is a legacy in part of the Cold War. However Putin is an authoritarian leader and whilst it is ridiculous to compare him to Hitler it sometimes seems that people on the alternative right are willing to turn a blind eye to his faults.

  63. @anon
    "So 400 K imported slaves have ballooned into 40 M people. Meanwhile around 45 M European immigrants have only enlarged to about 200 M people. How does the oppressed group grow this much? Has their growth always been high, or has it been exacerbated during the Great Society era of the last fifty years? The notion many of us have is that the welfare system pays poor blacks to have multiple kids out of wedlock. Were blacks having this many kids when there was no social safety net to pick up the slack?"

    http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/familyfacts/charts-web/215-FF-chart.jpg
    http://www.nber.org/vital-stats-books/vsrates1900_40.CV.pdf (see pages in the 676 range or so)
    Black fertility was consistently higher historically. This shouldn't be surprising--the correlation between lower levels of education (and similar such things) and higher fertility rates is well-known throughout the world. America was always wealthy enough for even the poorest blacks to afford many kids, even absent the welfare system. (Obviously, during slavery and after, southern white elites had a monetary interest in high black fertility rates.)

    Of course a lot of screwing slaves as well

  64. @Lot
    So what is the plan to fix this system?

    I don't know myself, but it will require a very broad coalition.

    At minimum, restrictionists need to (1) take back control of the GOP and (2) ensure the GOP reaches the 63% of the white vote needed to win the presidency (3) figure out how to keep the Senate majority they are going to win in 2014 due to dumb luck of the Senate Class calendar, when the dumb luck will swing heavily to the Democrats in 2016.

    This is going to require, at minimum, figuring out a restrictionist plan that Mark Z., Charles and David K, and Shelden A can either get behind, or at least not actively oppose. All of these men have shown a willingness to randomly drop tens of millions of dollars into politics.

    I kinda like all of them. Buying them off for the greater good is no sacrifice.

    Mark Z hates that he can't just fly into Menlo Park the random computer geniuses he wants working for his company. The man is known to buy other companies regularly for $10 million+ per employee, or in the case of WhatsApp, for $344 million per employee. A lot of these guys are from places where it is pretty hard to immigrate to the USA, like India, China, South Korea, Japan, Finland, Russia, Estonia, and Ukraine. Sure, you throw a ton of money at immigration lawyers, they'll eventually be allowed in. But the whole process is expensive, slow, and cumbersome. And if they want to bring some family and friends that's even more of a hassle.

    Meanwhile, random Somalis are getting their cousins in by marrying them.

    I think Mark Z is a pretty good judge of talent, and if he wants to bring these guys into Silicon Valley to work, we should roll out the red carpet.

    Shelden A doesn't seem to care much one way or another on immigration issues (obvious exception is Israel). His casinos don't require elite foreigners to stay internationally competitive. All he wants is to keep internet gambling illegal.

    Once again, we should agree to Shelden's demand. Jeff Sessions, restrictionism's best friend in Washington, should also become a strong voice against legalizing Internet gambling. Frankly it is a horrible idea anyway. Legal internet gambling will make a few vice-pedling businessmen obscenely rich while destroying families. Casinos already do this, but on a much smaller scale, and going to one regularly is out of reach for most Americans right now.

    Charles and David K's big issues are they don't want to pay taxes or comply with additional environmental regulations. This for me is a hard pill to swallow, but I'll certainly still do it. Taxes are, in fact, too high (though not too high on them). And while global warming is real, I'm not too convinced that it will be a major problem. And with fracking, I don't want it done in California, but whether it is done in Kansas and North Dakota should be left up to the people who live there. And while I disagree with most of their Kansas libertarianism, to their great credit they also have strongly funded anti-war Republicans since the 1970's.

    Hard to immigrate from India, China, and S. Korea? China and India are #s 2 and 4, I believe, in total U.S. immigrants. S. Korea was inexplicably added to the Visa Waiver Program. All they need is a passport.

    The black immigrants are overwhelmingly from Nigeria, Ghana, and Liberia, and are the result largely of ‘humanitarian’ policies like TPS as well as staggering levels of refugee, asylum, and marriage fraud. The fraud does not stop with the immigration process either. I wish you guys could see the tax returns of these f-ing leeches. Both spouses file H of H (from the same address even) and claim fictitious foster children, etc. We are forbidden from diming them out to IRS due to ‘privacy’ laws and I don’t think IRS would care even if we could report it.

    • Replies: @Lot

    Hard to immigrate from India, China, and S. Korea? China and India are #s 2 and 4, I believe, in total U.S. immigrants. S. Korea was inexplicably added to the Visa Waiver Program. All they need is a passport.
     
    That a lot of people do it doesn't mean it isn't hard for the particular people Zuck wants to hire. A lot of those Chinese immigrants are family reunifications. But the vast majority of Chinese don't have close relatives in the USA.

    Also, I don't mean to offer an unequivocal endorsement of Zuck's desire for foreign programmers. Just that it is a reasonable to concede this to him to get him to stop dumping tens of millions into pro-amnesty Republican coffers in their primaries.
  65. “They really don’t like ghetto African-Americans, in my experience.”

    And ghetto African Americans hate them. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

  66. @Alcestis Eshtemoa
    @match -

    match says:

    September 11, 2014 at 6:00 pm GMT
    @Alcestis Eshtemoa

    Do you just make things up as you go along? Virtually all Brazilian slaves were taken from west and central Africa, not east Africa. If you look at a map of Africa in relation to South America, the reason for this should be obvious. There is plenty hard data on this subject, just Google it. You don’t have to make things up.

    And there is no evidence that male slaves were castrated in any significant number in Brazil. For some strange reason this idea appeals to you, but it is complete fantasy.
     

    I never said that black males were castrated in Brazil, just that the Arab traders castrated their East African black male slaves and then exchanged those slaves across the Atlantic.

    Sure, the Portuguese FIRST went to Cape Verde, which is an Island near West Africa, but then they navigated to the South-Western country of Angola, afterwards, they reached Mozambique, which is East Africa.

    Before you accuse me making up stuff how do you explain the Black Brazilians have a lot of Southern and Eastern African DNA in their ancestry? Why the low levels of West African ancestry?

    The media entities which believe that black slaves in Brazil had West African ancestry are rich black American women such as Oprah, which are mostly West African. They fund international leftist NGOs to revise the history of Brazil, to make it seem more West African than it is (because African-Americans such as Oprah are mostly West African in ancestry).

    Back in the 1990s, a black Brazilian ran the fastest marathon ever up to that point. I suspect he had a lot of East African ancestors.

    There’s a theory that the famous rise of the Zulus around 1800 had a lot to do with Portuguese slaving in Delgado Bay in Mozambique.

  67. i say take in as many mexicans as possible before the immigration train from subsahara africa to the usa really starts to roll. When you have a population of, say, 450 million in 2050, and a mexican majority and living standards for everybody, including especially liberals, have sunken you might have a chance to argue that there is no need for further immigration.

    • Replies: @Enderby
    Excellent long term planning. It would be ironic if immigration restriction only gains mass support when latinos are a majority in the US.

    I've worked with many Mexicans and Central Americans and they hate Blacks (many have been beat up and/or robbed) and are not ashamed to say so.
  68. “For black population growth, you have to adjust for the fact that US blacks are about 20% white, on average. So there are roughly 32 million blacks.”

    Actually there are 42 million Blacks in the U.S, not 32 million.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American

    45 million if you also include the over 3 million Americans who checked Black in combination with some other race.

    And that is not even counting Hispanics in the U.S who have Sub Saharan African blood pumping through their hearts, yet they do not self identify themselves as Black in the census.

    The Hispanic actress Michelle Rodriguez for example has 21 percent Sub Saharan African admixture, yet she does not self identify herself as Black.

    Only 12 percent of Dominican Americans self identified themselves as Black in the census, even though the vast majority of Dominicans have Sub Saharan DNA.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_American_(Dominican_Republic)#Race_and_ethnicity

  69. Nigerians are notorious everywhere for being fraudsters and scammers. That’s not the exception, it’s the rule despite their charming accents and manners which are just part of the con. Never be so foolish as to trust them. You’ve been warned.

  70. “The black immigrants are overwhelmingly from Nigeria, Ghana, and Liberia”

    So, the famous black dude who carried ebola into Nigeria from Liberia while on a business trip to Africa a few months ago, had, in the 1980s, immigrated *from* Liberia TO Minnesota.

    Some ancient history:

    After emancipation, Lincoln sent some former slaves back to Africa to start a country named Liberia, where said former slaves promptly enslaved the local black population.

    Chaos has reigned in that country ever since.

    ….

    In the ’80s, some of these black Liberians voluntarily immigrated BACK to unbearably racist America.

    And settled in Coon Rapids, Minnesota

    As Dave Barry would say: You can’t make this stuff up.

  71. Would like to know more about the Portuguese and the Zulus.

    It seems some people think only whites are capable of civilization, but given the structure of zulus who never really kicked their African habits despite of building a fairly successful kingdom (by african standards), I think it is a bit too much.

  72. @Erik Sieven
    i say take in as many mexicans as possible before the immigration train from subsahara africa to the usa really starts to roll. When you have a population of, say, 450 million in 2050, and a mexican majority and living standards for everybody, including especially liberals, have sunken you might have a chance to argue that there is no need for further immigration.

    Excellent long term planning. It would be ironic if immigration restriction only gains mass support when latinos are a majority in the US.

    I’ve worked with many Mexicans and Central Americans and they hate Blacks (many have been beat up and/or robbed) and are not ashamed to say so.

  73. I think reading iSteve is bad for me- I’m getting better and better at stereotyping people from a distance.

    For example, a few months back, I saw a group of blacks at a distance standing at a bus stop, and almost immediately predicted that they were foreign immigrants, not native-born African-Americans. Why? Well, they were clearly a family group- there were at probably least two sets of parents (fathers included!) and rather well-behaved children, with what seemed to be an older aunt or grandmother along. They were neatly though not extravagantly dressed, and seemed engaged in pleasant conversation without being emotional or rambunctious.

    Sure enough, when I got close, their language was clearly foreign. It’s a depressing commentary on what the managerial welfare state has done to the culture of America’s native-born blacks- a well-behaved, well-dressed, fully-intact family unit is so rare that my first instinct was to conclude that such a thing couldn’t have come from that culture, and sadly, I was right.

    I, for one, pine for the day when all these nasty stereotypes I have in my head stop being so darned accurate. Something tells me I shouldn’t hold my breath waiting, though…

  74. . Have you ever considered that Zuckerberg likes the fact that Indians will code for less than a white? Or most native-born Americans of east and south Asian descent for that matter. Why not just go full Idiocracy and stop wasting money educating native-born Americans? The relatively small number needed to administer the country can just be imported.

    I’ve been advocating this for Israel for years. Jews are supposed to be a “cognitive elite,” both in terms of ability, and cultural-political orientation. So, you’d think they’d jump at the chance to have a more intelligent class of people running their country. And the billion+ Chinese are right there, ready to supply a half million or so Chinamen with IQs well north of 120 to run the gov’t and military in Israel, but, the Israelis don’t seem interested.

    Maybe the Jews aren’t smart enough to think of this idea, which is clearly in their best interests – Israel will be MUCH better run by a MUCH smarter group of people. So, I’ve taken it upon myself to remind them, from time to time, in the hopes that they’ll finally tumble to what’s clearly best for them.

    This is a pretty poor analogy. Antisemitism clearly led to the holocaust and the attempted extermination of an entire people is very different to the deaths in wartime caused by Hitler’s actions. The German invasion wasn’t simply driven by the same motives as the holocaust although racial attitudes to Slavs helped justify mass killings in the USSR.

    Nah, it’s a great analogy. Your counter is just special pleading (details of history and circumstance masquerading as principles). Funny how all analogies are “poor” when it comes to criticism of the Jews.

    It seems some people think only whites are capable of civilization

    Name five. They needn’t be prominent. Commenters at this blog will do.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Hebrew seems a pretty hard language to learn, and Israel is poor compared to the USA and Canada, so why would Chinese people want to move there in large numbers? Though I assume Israel has a small but growing US-born Chew population.

    Admittedly, the Chinese rival us Americans in our love for Jews, buying up books such as

    "The Eight Most Valuable Business Secrets of the Jewish."
    "The Legend of Jewish Wealth."
    "Jewish People and Business: The Bible of How to Live Their Lives."
    "Jewish Entrepreneurial Experience and Business Wisdom"

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/06/AR2007020601713.html

    On the other hand, Asians seem to greatly prefer Friends over Seinfeld.
  75. This blog is not even about the Jews. Steve Sailer made a blog about the Jews a few days ago. You should have posted this there. But than again you ALWAYS bring up the Jews in every one of Steve Sailer’s blogs even though the majority of Steve Sailer’s blogs are not even about the Jews.

    Personally, I rarely drag the Jews into a thread where the dragging hasn’t already been done. Typically, there’s already some back and forth by the time I jump in on the subject. But I would like to point out that my feeling is that they’re automatically a part of any conversation about white advocacy, because Jewish behavior is the crown jewel of my justification for white advocacy and white ethnopatriotism (European peoples have an idiosyncratic need for justifications beyond self-interest). The dominant liberal Narrative has bathed Jews in a numinous glow. All I have to do is lay out Jewish ethnopatriotism, and suddenly ethnopatriotism is bathed in a numinous glow, too. And by extension, that includes white ethnopatriotism.

    And since Jews are automatically a part of the conversation about white advocacy, they’re pretty much a part of the conversation in most of Steve’s threads, since most of Steve’s threads are about matters near and dear to the hearts of white advocates.

    So, you should probably just consider your position that the Jews mustn’t be dragged into so many conversations to be the outsider’s view, here.

  76. Curious how many Europeans immigrated to the United States from 2000 to 2010. Probably less than the one million black Africans.

  77. Really, if Jews weren’t so instrumental to the success of the movement to make white ethnopatriotism seem pathological with their words, I’d be constantly thanking them for their role in justifying it with their deeds.

    • Replies: @Southfarthing
    To understand how multiculturalism rose, read how South Africa fell.

    South Africa fell because the Scandinavian countries, England, Russia, and China were funding and arming anti-White militants, while at the same time applying sanctions to demoralize and impoverish the White South Africans.

    A better strategy: encourage Jews to be like the Jews who support Amren, and who identify with the fight to save the Christian West. Conveying to Jews like Dianna Agron that they're not welcome here seems backwards.

  78. @Anonymous
    @Lot. Have you ever considered that Zuckerberg likes the fact that Indians will code for less than a white? Or most native-born Americans of east and south Asian descent for that matter. Why not just go full Idiocracy and stop wasting money educating native-born Americans? The relatively small number needed to administer the country can just be imported.

    Have you ever considered that Zuckerberg likes the fact that Indians will code for less than a white?

    Are you seriously accusing Zuckerberg of being a cheap bastard when it comes to wages? This is a rare man who can say “Essentially everyone who has been working for me for more than three years is a multi-millionaire, and a fair number of them are worth more than $100 million.”

    Also, I disagree that indian computer programmers reduce American programmer wages, especially for the high end bleeding edge stuff going on in SV.

    You might have a point if you’re talking about mundane database and network admin work. But that has little to do with facebook.

  79. @S. Verdad
    Hard to immigrate from India, China, and S. Korea? China and India are #s 2 and 4, I believe, in total U.S. immigrants. S. Korea was inexplicably added to the Visa Waiver Program. All they need is a passport.

    The black immigrants are overwhelmingly from Nigeria, Ghana, and Liberia, and are the result largely of 'humanitarian' policies like TPS as well as staggering levels of refugee, asylum, and marriage fraud. The fraud does not stop with the immigration process either. I wish you guys could see the tax returns of these f-ing leeches. Both spouses file H of H (from the same address even) and claim fictitious foster children, etc. We are forbidden from diming them out to IRS due to 'privacy' laws and I don't think IRS would care even if we could report it.

    Hard to immigrate from India, China, and S. Korea? China and India are #s 2 and 4, I believe, in total U.S. immigrants. S. Korea was inexplicably added to the Visa Waiver Program. All they need is a passport.

    That a lot of people do it doesn’t mean it isn’t hard for the particular people Zuck wants to hire. A lot of those Chinese immigrants are family reunifications. But the vast majority of Chinese don’t have close relatives in the USA.

    Also, I don’t mean to offer an unequivocal endorsement of Zuck’s desire for foreign programmers. Just that it is a reasonable to concede this to him to get him to stop dumping tens of millions into pro-amnesty Republican coffers in their primaries.

  80. @Svigor

    @Lot. Have you ever considered that Zuckerberg likes the fact that Indians will code for less than a white? Or most native-born Americans of east and south Asian descent for that matter. Why not just go full Idiocracy and stop wasting money educating native-born Americans? The relatively small number needed to administer the country can just be imported.
     
    I've been advocating this for Israel for years. Jews are supposed to be a "cognitive elite," both in terms of ability, and cultural-political orientation. So, you'd think they'd jump at the chance to have a more intelligent class of people running their country. And the billion+ Chinese are right there, ready to supply a half million or so Chinamen with IQs well north of 120 to run the gov't and military in Israel, but, the Israelis don't seem interested.

    Maybe the Jews aren't smart enough to think of this idea, which is clearly in their best interests - Israel will be MUCH better run by a MUCH smarter group of people. So, I've taken it upon myself to remind them, from time to time, in the hopes that they'll finally tumble to what's clearly best for them.

    This is a pretty poor analogy. Antisemitism clearly led to the holocaust and the attempted extermination of an entire people is very different to the deaths in wartime caused by Hitler’s actions. The German invasion wasn’t simply driven by the same motives as the holocaust although racial attitudes to Slavs helped justify mass killings in the USSR.
     
    Nah, it's a great analogy. Your counter is just special pleading (details of history and circumstance masquerading as principles). Funny how all analogies are "poor" when it comes to criticism of the Jews.

    It seems some people think only whites are capable of civilization
     
    Name five. They needn't be prominent. Commenters at this blog will do.

    Hebrew seems a pretty hard language to learn, and Israel is poor compared to the USA and Canada, so why would Chinese people want to move there in large numbers? Though I assume Israel has a small but growing US-born Chew population.

    Admittedly, the Chinese rival us Americans in our love for Jews, buying up books such as

    “The Eight Most Valuable Business Secrets of the Jewish.”
    “The Legend of Jewish Wealth.”
    “Jewish People and Business: The Bible of How to Live Their Lives.”
    “Jewish Entrepreneurial Experience and Business Wisdom”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/06/AR2007020601713.html

    On the other hand, Asians seem to greatly prefer Friends over Seinfeld.

  81. “Also, I disagree that indian computer programmers reduce American programmer wages, especially for the high end bleeding edge stuff going on in SV. “

    This is just not so… you could just look it up…

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one


    “Also, I disagree that indian computer programmers reduce American programmer wages, especially for the high end bleeding edge stuff going on in SV. “

    This is just not so… you could just look it up…
     
    Heh, indeed.

    There are lots of Indian immigrant tech people who will swear up and down that they can do what I can and when they get the job run to the internet to ask people like me how to solve their problems.

    If they were not here I could demand around two times what I currently get.
  82. @iSteveFan
    So 400 K imported slaves have ballooned into 40 M people. Meanwhile around 45 M European immigrants have only enlarged to about 200 M people. How does the oppressed group grow this much? Has their growth always been high, or has it been exacerbated during the Great Society era of the last fifty years? The notion many of us have is that the welfare system pays poor blacks to have multiple kids out of wedlock. Were blacks having this many kids when there was no social safety net to pick up the slack?

    ” How does the oppressed group grow this much?”

    They used to be a capital investment. Their growth was subsidized.

  83. @Svigor
    Really, if Jews weren't so instrumental to the success of the movement to make white ethnopatriotism seem pathological with their words, I'd be constantly thanking them for their role in justifying it with their deeds.

    To understand how multiculturalism rose, read how South Africa fell.

    South Africa fell because the Scandinavian countries, England, Russia, and China were funding and arming anti-White militants, while at the same time applying sanctions to demoralize and impoverish the White South Africans.

    A better strategy: encourage Jews to be like the Jews who support Amren, and who identify with the fight to save the Christian West. Conveying to Jews like Dianna Agron that they’re not welcome here seems backwards.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    A better strategy: encourage Jews to be like the Jews who support Amren, and who identify with the fight to save the Christian West. Conveying to Jews like Dianna Agron that they’re not welcome here seems backwards.

    -----------------

    I have a better strategy. Tap your ruby shoes three times and wish Jews would save the Christan West. That's got at least as much chance of working, it's a lot less stressful, and you'll look cute doing it- not desperate.

  84. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @anonymous
    "Also, I disagree that indian computer programmers reduce American programmer wages, especially for the high end bleeding edge stuff going on in SV. "

    This is just not so... you could just look it up...

    “Also, I disagree that indian computer programmers reduce American programmer wages, especially for the high end bleeding edge stuff going on in SV. “

    This is just not so… you could just look it up…

    Heh, indeed.

    There are lots of Indian immigrant tech people who will swear up and down that they can do what I can and when they get the job run to the internet to ask people like me how to solve their problems.

    If they were not here I could demand around two times what I currently get.

  85. To understand how multiculturalism rose

    In America, multiculturalism rose due to the efforts of “ethnic” whites; Jews, Italians, Irish, etc.

    South Africa fell because the Scandinavian countries, England, Russia, and China were funding and arming anti-White militants, while at the same time applying sanctions to demoralize and impoverish the White South Africans.

    And because of the fifth column within, mostly composed of Jewish and Anglo-Saxon elites and oligarchs. I’ve always considered internal enemies to be more devastating than external ones.

    A better strategy: encourage Jews to be like the Jews who support Amren, and who identify with the fight to save the Christian West.

    Jews are both extremely stubborn, and quite capable of (and tend heavily toward) acting in their own best interests. I’d rather tailor my message toward my own kind, who are much more easily persuaded, and much more motivated to be persuaded. They can decide whether to put pressure on Jews, which is the only way to get them to change their behavior, IMO. Jews are horse-traders. No horses, no trade.

    Conveying to Jews like Dianna Agron that they’re not welcome here seems backwards.

    I don’t know who Agron is, but I’ll assume she’s a reasonably pro-white Jew. That being the case, I wouldn’t tell her she’s not welcome. She’s quite welcome. How she reacts to my other positions is her business. I’ll not tailor them to make her feel welcome.

    • Replies: @Southfarthing

    "In America, multiculturalism rose due to the efforts of “ethnic” whites; Jews, Italians, Irish, etc."
     
    Even if all U.S. Whites were somehow English only, it would still have become multicultural via 4 routes:
    1. Native Americans
    2. African slaves
    3. Chinese laborers
    4. Cheap Latino immigrants.

    The term "racism" was first used in 1871 in the context of the British colonies, and in 1902 in the context of the Indian Wars.

    If Jewish liberals hadn't set up the NAACP, Christian liberals would have.

    Sweden was a homogeneous country, but despite that, they love cultural marxism, as seen in their feminist political party, their high continuing immigration rates, and supporting Black South African militants against White South Africans.

  86. Hebrew seems a pretty hard language to learn, and Israel is poor compared to the USA and Canada, so why would Chinese people want to move there in large numbers? Though I assume Israel has a small but growing US-born Chew population.

    Israel is quite rich compared to China, which is all that matters. The USA and Canada can’t take in all the cognitively elite Chinese who want to emigrate.

    There isn’t an army of 120+ IQ Chinamen grinding away at learning Hebrew because Israel has discouraged them; the Jews show no inclination toward being as “cognitively elite” as they claim to be. But rest assured, once the Jews overcome their own racism and make it known that the new, superior, Chinese cognitive elite will be welcome in Israel, that will turn around – the Chinese cognitive elite will start studying straight away, rest assured.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Israel has its high tech silicon beach but few Zuckerberg equivalents demanding east Asian immigrants to code cheaply.
  87. @Svigor

    Hebrew seems a pretty hard language to learn, and Israel is poor compared to the USA and Canada, so why would Chinese people want to move there in large numbers? Though I assume Israel has a small but growing US-born Chew population.
     
    Israel is quite rich compared to China, which is all that matters. The USA and Canada can't take in all the cognitively elite Chinese who want to emigrate.

    There isn't an army of 120+ IQ Chinamen grinding away at learning Hebrew because Israel has discouraged them; the Jews show no inclination toward being as "cognitively elite" as they claim to be. But rest assured, once the Jews overcome their own racism and make it known that the new, superior, Chinese cognitive elite will be welcome in Israel, that will turn around - the Chinese cognitive elite will start studying straight away, rest assured.

    Israel has its high tech silicon beach but few Zuckerberg equivalents demanding east Asian immigrants to code cheaply.

    • Replies: @Southfarthing
    Yeah. But it's a systemic attitude in the US tech industry, rather than being any leader in particular.

    Wikipedia's list of the founders and key supporters of FWD.us includes most of the biggest names in the US tech industry:
    Founders:

    The founders of FWD.us include Mark Zuckerberg (the public face of the group), Joe Green (founder and president of the group), Microsoft founder Bill Gates, Dropbox employees Drew Houston, Ruchi Sanghvi, and Aditya Agrawal, LinkedIn CEO and founder Reid Hoffman, Sean Parker (who played an important early role in Napster, Plaxo, and Facebook, and is on the Board of Directors of Spotify), super-angel Ron Conway, and venture capitalists Jim Breyer (of Accel Partners), Matt Cohler (of Benchmark Capital), John Doerr (of Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers), and Chamath Palihapitiya (of The Social+Capital Partnership).
     

    Key Supporters:

    Major contributors include Tim Armstrong (CEO of AOL, joined October 2013),[34] Steve Ballmer (CEO of Microsoft—was not in the original list at launch), Steve Chen (co-founder of YouTube—was not in the original list at launch), Brian Chesky (founder of Airbnb), Chris Cox, Barry Diller (chairman and senior executive at IAC), John Fisher (heir to the GAP fortune), Paul Graham (co-founder of Y Combinator), Reed Hastings (CEO of Netflix), Chad Hurley, Josh James, Max Levchin (former CTO of PayPal), Joe Lonsdale (founder of Palantir and Addepar), Andrew Mason (founder and CEO of Groupon), Marissa Mayer (CEO of Yahoo!), Mary Meeker, Dave Morin (CEO of Path), Jon Oringer, Greg Penner, Mark Pincus, Keith Rabois, Eric Schmidt (executive chairman at Google Inc), Brad Smith (Microsoft executive vice president of legal affairs), Kevin Systrom (CEO of Instagram), Padmasree Warrior (CTO of Cisco), and Fred Wilson (of Union Square Ventures).
     

    Notable absences: Larry Page and Sergey Brin. [Nevermind, Eric Schmidt is there to represent Google.] Elon Musk and David Sacks left out of disagreement over FWD.us supporting lawmakers who supported the Keystone XL oil pipeline.
    , @The most deplorable one
    In my somewhat limited experience:

    Those Israeli tech companies often sell out to US tech companies (and in at least one case the costly tech proved to be worthless, IMO) and still need non-Israel based employees.

    In addition, the salaries for tech staff in Israel are not great, certainly not enough to offset the dangers associated with living in such a vibrant environment compared with, say Silicon Valley, so those Jews who are not emotionally and ideologically committed to Zionism simply prefer to work elsewhere.

    Finally, it is reputed that they get enormous subsidies from the US and Germany. Sure, those are for weapons purchases, but if they had to make all their own weapons then there would be less tech companies in Israel as well.
  88. @Southfarthing
    To understand how multiculturalism rose, read how South Africa fell.

    South Africa fell because the Scandinavian countries, England, Russia, and China were funding and arming anti-White militants, while at the same time applying sanctions to demoralize and impoverish the White South Africans.

    A better strategy: encourage Jews to be like the Jews who support Amren, and who identify with the fight to save the Christian West. Conveying to Jews like Dianna Agron that they're not welcome here seems backwards.

    A better strategy: encourage Jews to be like the Jews who support Amren, and who identify with the fight to save the Christian West. Conveying to Jews like Dianna Agron that they’re not welcome here seems backwards.

    —————–

    I have a better strategy. Tap your ruby shoes three times and wish Jews would save the Christan West. That’s got at least as much chance of working, it’s a lot less stressful, and you’ll look cute doing it- not desperate.

    • Replies: @Southfarthing

    That’s got at least as much chance of working...
     
    Christian masters-of-the-universe like those behind FWD.us's immigration mission (Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Marissa Mayer, Reid Hoffman, Drew Houston, Sean Parker, Chad Hurley, Tim Armstrong, Ron Conway, etc.), as well as Warren Buffet, LBJ (1965 Immigration Act), Ted Kennedy (1965 Immigration Act), Richard Nixon (affirmative action), Ronald Reagan (the Reagan Amnesty) also seem to have been going in the wrong direction, but we ignore that (attention lowering vs. attention raising).
  89. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Israel supported the Christian Lebanese against the Palestinians in the Lebanese civil war of the 1980s, and got incredible grief for it, based on a massacre at a Palestinian refugee camp conducted by the Christians. Israel, as usual, was blamed for failing to prevent the Christians from acting in a conspicuously un-Christian manner.
     
    So, now Jews are saying that the American gov't and establishment should just step out of the way, and let white supremacist militias have free rein in black neighborhoods? And Jews won't blame the American gov't and establishment for whatever ensues, because it would be racist to blame them for failing to prevent white supremacists from acting in a conspicuously un-civilized manner?

    Good to know. You Zionists make great arguments. Very useful.

    What does your response have to do with the quoted comment? Among other intellectual deficiencies, you seem to have trouble with the concept that the Jews in Israel and Jews in America are different people. Also, the massacre referred to took place in Lebanon, in an area under Christian militia control, not in Israel. So your analogy to your fantasy of joining your fellow white supremacists in a pogrom against blacks in the US does not make much sense. Aside from the fact that such a scenario is about as likely as a pig flying.

  90. What does your response have to do with the quoted comment?

    They use the same logic. Logic Jews use to justify their own behavior, but turn around and oppose when it’s in their interests to do so (turning militias loose on Palestinians = okay when Jews do it; turning militias loose on blacks in America = bad when whites even joke about it). I know, it’s an abstract, and you have to have two brain cells to rub together to understand it.

  91. Israel has its high tech silicon beach but few Zuckerberg equivalents demanding east Asian immigrants to code cheaply.

    Yes, it’s odd, isn’t it? Almost as if they don’t have a big enough Jewish elite in Israel to pull it off…

  92. you seem to have trouble with the concept that the Jews in Israel and Jews in America are different people

    Jews in Israel, jews in America, different people or same people?

    Jewishness, religion or race?

    Jews, white or not white?

    It depends.

  93. @Steve Sailer
    Israel has its high tech silicon beach but few Zuckerberg equivalents demanding east Asian immigrants to code cheaply.

    Yeah. But it’s a systemic attitude in the US tech industry, rather than being any leader in particular.

    Wikipedia’s list of the founders and key supporters of FWD.us includes most of the biggest names in the US tech industry:
    Founders:

    The founders of FWD.us include Mark Zuckerberg (the public face of the group), Joe Green (founder and president of the group), Microsoft founder Bill Gates, Dropbox employees Drew Houston, Ruchi Sanghvi, and Aditya Agrawal, LinkedIn CEO and founder Reid Hoffman, Sean Parker (who played an important early role in Napster, Plaxo, and Facebook, and is on the Board of Directors of Spotify), super-angel Ron Conway, and venture capitalists Jim Breyer (of Accel Partners), Matt Cohler (of Benchmark Capital), John Doerr (of Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers), and Chamath Palihapitiya (of The Social+Capital Partnership).

    Key Supporters:

    Major contributors include Tim Armstrong (CEO of AOL, joined October 2013),[34] Steve Ballmer (CEO of Microsoft—was not in the original list at launch), Steve Chen (co-founder of YouTube—was not in the original list at launch), Brian Chesky (founder of Airbnb), Chris Cox, Barry Diller (chairman and senior executive at IAC), John Fisher (heir to the GAP fortune), Paul Graham (co-founder of Y Combinator), Reed Hastings (CEO of Netflix), Chad Hurley, Josh James, Max Levchin (former CTO of PayPal), Joe Lonsdale (founder of Palantir and Addepar), Andrew Mason (founder and CEO of Groupon), Marissa Mayer (CEO of Yahoo!), Mary Meeker, Dave Morin (CEO of Path), Jon Oringer, Greg Penner, Mark Pincus, Keith Rabois, Eric Schmidt (executive chairman at Google Inc), Brad Smith (Microsoft executive vice president of legal affairs), Kevin Systrom (CEO of Instagram), Padmasree Warrior (CTO of Cisco), and Fred Wilson (of Union Square Ventures).

    Notable absences: Larry Page and Sergey Brin. [Nevermind, Eric Schmidt is there to represent Google.] Elon Musk and David Sacks left out of disagreement over FWD.us supporting lawmakers who supported the Keystone XL oil pipeline.

  94. @Svigor

    To understand how multiculturalism rose
     
    In America, multiculturalism rose due to the efforts of "ethnic" whites; Jews, Italians, Irish, etc.

    South Africa fell because the Scandinavian countries, England, Russia, and China were funding and arming anti-White militants, while at the same time applying sanctions to demoralize and impoverish the White South Africans.
     
    And because of the fifth column within, mostly composed of Jewish and Anglo-Saxon elites and oligarchs. I've always considered internal enemies to be more devastating than external ones.

    A better strategy: encourage Jews to be like the Jews who support Amren, and who identify with the fight to save the Christian West.
     
    Jews are both extremely stubborn, and quite capable of (and tend heavily toward) acting in their own best interests. I'd rather tailor my message toward my own kind, who are much more easily persuaded, and much more motivated to be persuaded. They can decide whether to put pressure on Jews, which is the only way to get them to change their behavior, IMO. Jews are horse-traders. No horses, no trade.

    Conveying to Jews like Dianna Agron that they’re not welcome here seems backwards.
     
    I don't know who Agron is, but I'll assume she's a reasonably pro-white Jew. That being the case, I wouldn't tell her she's not welcome. She's quite welcome. How she reacts to my other positions is her business. I'll not tailor them to make her feel welcome.

    “In America, multiculturalism rose due to the efforts of “ethnic” whites; Jews, Italians, Irish, etc.”

    Even if all U.S. Whites were somehow English only, it would still have become multicultural via 4 routes:
    1. Native Americans
    2. African slaves
    3. Chinese laborers
    4. Cheap Latino immigrants.

    The term “racism” was first used in 1871 in the context of the British colonies, and in 1902 in the context of the Indian Wars.

    If Jewish liberals hadn’t set up the NAACP, Christian liberals would have.

    Sweden was a homogeneous country, but despite that, they love cultural marxism, as seen in their feminist political party, their high continuing immigration rates, and supporting Black South African militants against White South Africans.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    If Jewish liberals hadn’t set up the NAACP,

    The NAACP was set up by blacks working with the extant social work crusades (run by people like Jane Addams). East European Jews had only been present in the country in significant numbers for about 30 years and were largely working class. There was an older German Jewish element which dated back 70-odd years, but they were not very numerous and tended (at least in the South) to disappear into the larger society after a while.
    , @Anonymous
    You can say whatever you want but America was almost 87% white into the 1960's. Jewish pressure caused the immigration changes that altered all of this. Btw, Indians are not "native Americans". This is Jewish cultural Marxism at its most insidious. They did not grow out of the ground like trees or grass. They arrived across from Siberia, part of modern day Russia, via the Bering Strait. Vast areas of North America, particularly in Canada, were virtually unpopulated when European settlement began.
  95. @Hacienda
    A better strategy: encourage Jews to be like the Jews who support Amren, and who identify with the fight to save the Christian West. Conveying to Jews like Dianna Agron that they’re not welcome here seems backwards.

    -----------------

    I have a better strategy. Tap your ruby shoes three times and wish Jews would save the Christan West. That's got at least as much chance of working, it's a lot less stressful, and you'll look cute doing it- not desperate.

    That’s got at least as much chance of working…

    Christian masters-of-the-universe like those behind FWD.us’s immigration mission (Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Marissa Mayer, Reid Hoffman, Drew Houston, Sean Parker, Chad Hurley, Tim Armstrong, Ron Conway, etc.), as well as Warren Buffet, LBJ (1965 Immigration Act), Ted Kennedy (1965 Immigration Act), Richard Nixon (affirmative action), Ronald Reagan (the Reagan Amnesty) also seem to have been going in the wrong direction, but we ignore that (attention lowering vs. attention raising).

  96. @Southfarthing

    "In America, multiculturalism rose due to the efforts of “ethnic” whites; Jews, Italians, Irish, etc."
     
    Even if all U.S. Whites were somehow English only, it would still have become multicultural via 4 routes:
    1. Native Americans
    2. African slaves
    3. Chinese laborers
    4. Cheap Latino immigrants.

    The term "racism" was first used in 1871 in the context of the British colonies, and in 1902 in the context of the Indian Wars.

    If Jewish liberals hadn't set up the NAACP, Christian liberals would have.

    Sweden was a homogeneous country, but despite that, they love cultural marxism, as seen in their feminist political party, their high continuing immigration rates, and supporting Black South African militants against White South Africans.

    If Jewish liberals hadn’t set up the NAACP,

    The NAACP was set up by blacks working with the extant social work crusades (run by people like Jane Addams). East European Jews had only been present in the country in significant numbers for about 30 years and were largely working class. There was an older German Jewish element which dated back 70-odd years, but they were not very numerous and tended (at least in the South) to disappear into the larger society after a while.

  97. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Israel has its high tech silicon beach but few Zuckerberg equivalents demanding east Asian immigrants to code cheaply.

    In my somewhat limited experience:

    Those Israeli tech companies often sell out to US tech companies (and in at least one case the costly tech proved to be worthless, IMO) and still need non-Israel based employees.

    In addition, the salaries for tech staff in Israel are not great, certainly not enough to offset the dangers associated with living in such a vibrant environment compared with, say Silicon Valley, so those Jews who are not emotionally and ideologically committed to Zionism simply prefer to work elsewhere.

    Finally, it is reputed that they get enormous subsidies from the US and Germany. Sure, those are for weapons purchases, but if they had to make all their own weapons then there would be less tech companies in Israel as well.

  98. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Southfarthing

    "In America, multiculturalism rose due to the efforts of “ethnic” whites; Jews, Italians, Irish, etc."
     
    Even if all U.S. Whites were somehow English only, it would still have become multicultural via 4 routes:
    1. Native Americans
    2. African slaves
    3. Chinese laborers
    4. Cheap Latino immigrants.

    The term "racism" was first used in 1871 in the context of the British colonies, and in 1902 in the context of the Indian Wars.

    If Jewish liberals hadn't set up the NAACP, Christian liberals would have.

    Sweden was a homogeneous country, but despite that, they love cultural marxism, as seen in their feminist political party, their high continuing immigration rates, and supporting Black South African militants against White South Africans.

    You can say whatever you want but America was almost 87% white into the 1960’s. Jewish pressure caused the immigration changes that altered all of this. Btw, Indians are not “native Americans”. This is Jewish cultural Marxism at its most insidious. They did not grow out of the ground like trees or grass. They arrived across from Siberia, part of modern day Russia, via the Bering Strait. Vast areas of North America, particularly in Canada, were virtually unpopulated when European settlement began.

    • Replies: @Southfarthing
    1.
    Emmanuelle Cellar finally succeeded in bringing an immigration bill to congress only because times had changed. It was Christian politicians who passed that bill so overwhelmingly (except for the South, who knew better).

    And even if that wasn't the case, what matters now is that most Jews oppose immigration (and have incentive to oppose it even more).

    2.
    "American Indian" does seem better than "Native American," and it seems both are accepted terms.

  99. Yeah. But it’s a systemic attitude in the US tech industry, rather than being any leader in particular.

    Yeah, but it’s a systemic attitude that afflicts Jews more systematically than it does white heathens (“gentiles”):

    Jewish vs. Euro-American Voting Patterns

    By Their Deeds Ye Shall Know Them!

    TL;DR version: Jewish elite votes 100% in favor of open borders, white elite votes 45% in favor. And Jewish over-representation makes them a decisive tie-breaker tipping the vote against the white majority.

    Even if all U.S. Whites were somehow English only, it would still have become multicultural via 4 routes:
    1. Native Americans
    2. African slaves
    3. Chinese laborers
    4. Cheap Latino immigrants.

    The term “racism” was first used in 1871 in the context of the British colonies, and in 1902 in the context of the Indian Wars.

    If Jewish liberals hadn’t set up the NAACP, Christian liberals would have.

    I think the links above are instructive here, too.

    Oh, and the motion picture camera was invented by a white heathen (“gentile”), does that make Hollywood not Jewish-run?

    Sweden was a homogeneous country, but despite that, they love cultural marxism, as seen in their feminist political party, their high continuing immigration rates, and supporting Black South African militants against White South Africans.

    Sweden has a much smaller immigration problem than the US. As for feminism and supporting blacks from afar, those are the kinds of things a country can bounce back from. Demographic ruin is forever, this side of a corrective war of ethnic cleansing.

    Christian masters-of-the-universe like those behind FWD.us’s immigration mission (Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Marissa Mayer, Reid Hoffman, Drew Houston, Sean Parker, Chad Hurley, Tim Armstrong, Ron Conway, etc.), as well as Warren Buffet, LBJ (1965 Immigration Act), Ted Kennedy (1965 Immigration Act), Richard Nixon (affirmative action), Ronald Reagan (the Reagan Amnesty) also seem to have been going in the wrong direction, but we ignore that (attention lowering vs. attention raising).

    Again, the foregoing links are instructive.

    P.S., Elon Musk is a Christian? I’d assumed with a name like that he was Israeli or something.

    The NAACP was set up by blacks working with the extant social work crusades (run by people like Jane Addams). East European Jews had only been present in the country in significant numbers for about 30 years and were largely working class. There was an older German Jewish element which dated back 70-odd years, but they were not very numerous and tended (at least in the South) to disappear into the larger society after a while.

    And yet, the early NAACP brass was more Jewish than black.

    • Replies: @Southfarthing

    Jewish elite votes 100% in favor of open borders, white elite votes 45% in favor.
     
    Is your source controlling for the districts represented? Are politicians representing urbanite, open borders districts supposed to oppose their voters' wishes?

    The reason the US has a larger immigration problem than Sweden is because its easier for immigrants to travel by land or boat into the US. Sweden has to go out of its way to import immigrants. Still, the Swedish conviction is such that Sweden will probably be minority-Swedish by 2100.

    In order to show it is Jewish ancestry, rather than being a highly educated urbanite that it is the problem, we need to list the anti-immigration Christian technology leaders. But as shown above, all Christian technology leaders are either pro-immigration or neutral.

    If we criticize Jews as "the Jews," that gives us no horses to trade because people cannot change their ancestry. Also, it diminishes our other horses to trade, because liberals, Christians, and capitalists have morality that requires people be blamed for their positions (can be changed), not their ancestry (cannot be changed). Most Jews oppose immigration, and their life work consists of e.g. being a pediatric cancer researcher, which has nothing to do with politics.

    Elon Musk appears to be mostly or entirely English:


    The name Elon is Hebrew for oak tree, but the family were not Jews, and he got the name from his great grandfather John Elon Haldeman. His surname Musk is not Jewish as it originates from the French word "le mechin" which means "the younger." [Other sources list it as English-Norman.] There are unconfirmed sources saying that Elon Musk attended Jewish schools in South Africa - but only because his parents thought he would get a better education in these schools.
     
    His mother's maiden name, Halderman, is English.
  100. @Svigor

    Yeah. But it’s a systemic attitude in the US tech industry, rather than being any leader in particular.
     
    Yeah, but it's a systemic attitude that afflicts Jews more systematically than it does white heathens ("gentiles"):

    Jewish vs. Euro-American Voting Patterns

    By Their Deeds Ye Shall Know Them!

    TL;DR version: Jewish elite votes 100% in favor of open borders, white elite votes 45% in favor. And Jewish over-representation makes them a decisive tie-breaker tipping the vote against the white majority.


    Even if all U.S. Whites were somehow English only, it would still have become multicultural via 4 routes:
    1. Native Americans
    2. African slaves
    3. Chinese laborers
    4. Cheap Latino immigrants.

    The term “racism” was first used in 1871 in the context of the British colonies, and in 1902 in the context of the Indian Wars.

    If Jewish liberals hadn’t set up the NAACP, Christian liberals would have.
     

    I think the links above are instructive here, too.

    Oh, and the motion picture camera was invented by a white heathen ("gentile"), does that make Hollywood not Jewish-run?


    Sweden was a homogeneous country, but despite that, they love cultural marxism, as seen in their feminist political party, their high continuing immigration rates, and supporting Black South African militants against White South Africans.
     
    Sweden has a much smaller immigration problem than the US. As for feminism and supporting blacks from afar, those are the kinds of things a country can bounce back from. Demographic ruin is forever, this side of a corrective war of ethnic cleansing.

    Christian masters-of-the-universe like those behind FWD.us’s immigration mission (Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Marissa Mayer, Reid Hoffman, Drew Houston, Sean Parker, Chad Hurley, Tim Armstrong, Ron Conway, etc.), as well as Warren Buffet, LBJ (1965 Immigration Act), Ted Kennedy (1965 Immigration Act), Richard Nixon (affirmative action), Ronald Reagan (the Reagan Amnesty) also seem to have been going in the wrong direction, but we ignore that (attention lowering vs. attention raising).
     
    Again, the foregoing links are instructive.

    P.S., Elon Musk is a Christian? I'd assumed with a name like that he was Israeli or something.


    The NAACP was set up by blacks working with the extant social work crusades (run by people like Jane Addams). East European Jews had only been present in the country in significant numbers for about 30 years and were largely working class. There was an older German Jewish element which dated back 70-odd years, but they were not very numerous and tended (at least in the South) to disappear into the larger society after a while.
     
    And yet, the early NAACP brass was more Jewish than black.

    Jewish elite votes 100% in favor of open borders, white elite votes 45% in favor.

    Is your source controlling for the districts represented? Are politicians representing urbanite, open borders districts supposed to oppose their voters’ wishes?

    The reason the US has a larger immigration problem than Sweden is because its easier for immigrants to travel by land or boat into the US. Sweden has to go out of its way to import immigrants. Still, the Swedish conviction is such that Sweden will probably be minority-Swedish by 2100.

    In order to show it is Jewish ancestry, rather than being a highly educated urbanite that it is the problem, we need to list the anti-immigration Christian technology leaders. But as shown above, all Christian technology leaders are either pro-immigration or neutral.

    If we criticize Jews as “the Jews,” that gives us no horses to trade because people cannot change their ancestry. Also, it diminishes our other horses to trade, because liberals, Christians, and capitalists have morality that requires people be blamed for their positions (can be changed), not their ancestry (cannot be changed). Most Jews oppose immigration, and their life work consists of e.g. being a pediatric cancer researcher, which has nothing to do with politics.

    Elon Musk appears to be mostly or entirely English:

    The name Elon is Hebrew for oak tree, but the family were not Jews, and he got the name from his great grandfather John Elon Haldeman. His surname Musk is not Jewish as it originates from the French word “le mechin” which means “the younger.” [Other sources list it as English-Norman.] There are unconfirmed sources saying that Elon Musk attended Jewish schools in South Africa – but only because his parents thought he would get a better education in these schools.

    His mother’s maiden name, Halderman, is English.

  101. @Anonymous
    You can say whatever you want but America was almost 87% white into the 1960's. Jewish pressure caused the immigration changes that altered all of this. Btw, Indians are not "native Americans". This is Jewish cultural Marxism at its most insidious. They did not grow out of the ground like trees or grass. They arrived across from Siberia, part of modern day Russia, via the Bering Strait. Vast areas of North America, particularly in Canada, were virtually unpopulated when European settlement began.

    1.
    Emmanuelle Cellar finally succeeded in bringing an immigration bill to congress only because times had changed. It was Christian politicians who passed that bill so overwhelmingly (except for the South, who knew better).

    And even if that wasn’t the case, what matters now is that most Jews oppose immigration (and have incentive to oppose it even more).

    2.
    “American Indian” does seem better than “Native American,” and it seems both are accepted terms.

  102. Is your source controlling for the districts represented? Are politicians representing urbanite, open borders districts supposed to oppose their voters’ wishes?

    There’d be no point. Both blocs are more pro-open-borders than any poll shows the public to be.

    The reason the US has a larger immigration problem than Sweden is because its easier for immigrants to travel by land or boat into the US. Sweden has to go out of its way to import immigrants. Still, the Swedish conviction is such that Sweden will probably be minority-Swedish by 2100.

    Maybe. Or maybe it’s because Jewish power is so much greater in the US than in Sweden?

    In order to show it is Jewish ancestry, rather than being a highly educated urbanite that it is the problem, we need to list the anti-immigration Christian technology leaders. But as shown above, all Christian technology leaders are either pro-immigration or neutral.

    You can frame as you wish, and I’ll frame it as I wish, which I have done above.

    If we criticize Jews as “the Jews,” that gives us no horses to trade because people cannot change their ancestry.

    Nonsense. People can change their behavior, which is what we’re after. It’s much harder, of course, to get Jews to change if you can’t criticize them as Jews, but have to pretend they don’t exist for the purposes of criticism. If you can’t call someone out, how can you shame him into changing? This seems so obvious to me that I’m tempted to question your character or motives.

    Also, it diminishes our other horses to trade, because liberals, Christians, and capitalists have morality that requires people be blamed for their positions (can be changed), not their ancestry (cannot be changed).

    What utter horseshit. You can’t possibly believe this tripe. Liberals don’t go after whites, southerners, wholesale? As for Christians, I find most of them substitute liberalism for genuine Christianity. At least, the problematic ones. As for Capitalism, there’s no reconciliation to be had: the moment it goes from a tool (fine) to an “ism” (ruling ideology) is the moment it opposes all that is good and true in politics and culture. So I don’t care what they think or do, so long as they remain “Capitalists,” with a capital “C.”

    Most Jews oppose immigration, and their life work consists of e.g. being a pediatric cancer researcher, which has nothing to do with politics.

    Jews are nothing if not excellent at making sure their interests are represented. If they’re not being accurately represented by the elites who have been representing them, they’d better get their shit together, but quick. If the rank-and-file Jews still haven’t learned that they’re the ones upon whom the consequences of elite Jewish malfeasance always fall, they’d better crack a history book.

    P.S., where does the Jewish elite come from, if not the Jewish rank-and-file? The eye of Zeus?

    • Replies: @Southfarthing
    Of the 41 masters-of-the-universe founders and key supporters of FWD.us, I'm aware of only 6.5 having Jewish ancestry. That's 16%.

    (Deeper research might find evidence of some others having Jewish ancestry, and might find some of those who are being counted as full Jews are only being part Jewish. And Steve Sailer counts a full Jew without a Jewish identity only as .5 Jewish, and a half-Jew without a Jewish identity as .25, so that complicates it as well.)

    Any analysis that ignores the other 84% of the problem is a poor analysis.

    That being said, I'm all for shaming insane people like Bryan Caplan in whatever way works, because he's doing harm to everybody of all backgrounds.
  103. @Svigor

    Is your source controlling for the districts represented? Are politicians representing urbanite, open borders districts supposed to oppose their voters’ wishes?
     
    There'd be no point. Both blocs are more pro-open-borders than any poll shows the public to be.

    The reason the US has a larger immigration problem than Sweden is because its easier for immigrants to travel by land or boat into the US. Sweden has to go out of its way to import immigrants. Still, the Swedish conviction is such that Sweden will probably be minority-Swedish by 2100.
     
    Maybe. Or maybe it's because Jewish power is so much greater in the US than in Sweden?

    In order to show it is Jewish ancestry, rather than being a highly educated urbanite that it is the problem, we need to list the anti-immigration Christian technology leaders. But as shown above, all Christian technology leaders are either pro-immigration or neutral.
     
    You can frame as you wish, and I'll frame it as I wish, which I have done above.

    If we criticize Jews as “the Jews,” that gives us no horses to trade because people cannot change their ancestry.
     
    Nonsense. People can change their behavior, which is what we're after. It's much harder, of course, to get Jews to change if you can't criticize them as Jews, but have to pretend they don't exist for the purposes of criticism. If you can't call someone out, how can you shame him into changing? This seems so obvious to me that I'm tempted to question your character or motives.

    Also, it diminishes our other horses to trade, because liberals, Christians, and capitalists have morality that requires people be blamed for their positions (can be changed), not their ancestry (cannot be changed).
     
    What utter horseshit. You can't possibly believe this tripe. Liberals don't go after whites, southerners, wholesale? As for Christians, I find most of them substitute liberalism for genuine Christianity. At least, the problematic ones. As for Capitalism, there's no reconciliation to be had: the moment it goes from a tool (fine) to an "ism" (ruling ideology) is the moment it opposes all that is good and true in politics and culture. So I don't care what they think or do, so long as they remain "Capitalists," with a capital "C."

    Most Jews oppose immigration, and their life work consists of e.g. being a pediatric cancer researcher, which has nothing to do with politics.
     
    Jews are nothing if not excellent at making sure their interests are represented. If they're not being accurately represented by the elites who have been representing them, they'd better get their shit together, but quick. If the rank-and-file Jews still haven't learned that they're the ones upon whom the consequences of elite Jewish malfeasance always fall, they'd better crack a history book.

    P.S., where does the Jewish elite come from, if not the Jewish rank-and-file? The eye of Zeus?

    Of the 41 masters-of-the-universe founders and key supporters of FWD.us, I’m aware of only 6.5 having Jewish ancestry. That’s 16%.

    (Deeper research might find evidence of some others having Jewish ancestry, and might find some of those who are being counted as full Jews are only being part Jewish. And Steve Sailer counts a full Jew without a Jewish identity only as .5 Jewish, and a half-Jew without a Jewish identity as .25, so that complicates it as well.)

    Any analysis that ignores the other 84% of the problem is a poor analysis.

    That being said, I’m all for shaming insane people like Bryan Caplan in whatever way works, because he’s doing harm to everybody of all backgrounds.

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