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The murderer who perpetrated this Charleston black church massacre appears to have intended to maximize publicity for himself by pushing every conceivable hot button of the mainstream media in the fashion that would generate the most unending coverage of his Teachable Moment.

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Back in 2012, I wrote a Taki’s Magazine column, “Monsters of Egotism” about the rise of mass shootings and the kind of (thankfully, rare) guys who pursue fame through slaughter.

Mass shootings have been a recognized phenomenon in the US since Charles Whitman went up the tower at the U. of Texas with a rifle in 1966 and entered Baby Boomer lore.

That’s about as far back as I can remember, so I can’t tell you if these kinds of horrible events happened just as regularly before 1966. …

Yet it’s also plausible that the general low level of crime seen from the mid-1930s to the mid-1960s included mass murders and that Charles Whitman really did mark a turning point.

We see something similar with serial killers. In his recent book Popular Crime, baseball statistician Bill James pointed out that the police didn’t much admit to the existence of the category of serial killer until Ted Bundy’s exploits in 1980. The press, public, and artists had become fascinated by the idea since the Boston Strangler in the mid-1960s, but cops mostly stuck to their training that random killers didn’t exist.

On the other hand, James’s research suggests that police hadn’t been that far off. He was able to identify a few early serial killers, but they were uncommon until late in the 1960s, when, as with so much else, things changed.

Why? I don’t know. One possible explanation for the spread of mass shooters is feedback effects. Perhaps the urge to be a star has expanded as the technology grew to accommodate it. In the song “James Dean,” the Eagles sang, “And I know my life would look all right if I could see it on the silver screen.” (More subtly, the true-crime genre of literature [barely existed] until Truman Capote’s famous 1966 book In Cold Blood.)

Creeps who have been ignored because there is something wrong with them try to make themselves interesting with a gun.

Bill James states that after the tawdry media circus of the 1935 trial of the Lindbergh kidnapper, American press barons reached a gentleman’s agreement to improve the tone of their newspapers by mutually forswearing tabloid crime coverage. He argues that this lack of attention paid to crime helped American elites become liberal and unserious about the cost of crime, paving the way for the 1960s rise in crime.

On the other hand, this cartel against sensationalism may also have discouraged those who might have sought publicity through crime. If your murder spree would only get you below-the-fold coverage, well, maybe it wasn’t worth shooting all those innocent people after all. By the 1960s, though, the rise of live local TV news began to offer new avenues for the sort of fame Whitman pioneered.

The mass killers who become famous seem to generally be monsters of egotism.

There are a lot of people with a lot of problems out there, but even shooters very, very rarely randomly kill large numbers in a bid for our attention.

In 2010 I read through all 2,600 homicides in Los Angeles County in the three preceding years. There were more than a few cases of a son killing his mother, then himself, but no cases of the killer shooting a few dozen schoolchildren in between. …

The good news is that mass murder’s various flavors get boring after a while. For instance, nobody goes postal anymore.

U.S. Post Office employees shooting several of their coworkers was a Thing in the late 20th Century. It’s probably not a Thing anymore.

And back in 2001, I had to cover an old-fashioned high-school shooting. I argued that it was just a copycat crime inspired by the excessive cable news coverage of all the other high-school shootings of the previous half-decade.

But almost immediately, high-school slaughters died out for years as even the little cretins who might have shot up their classmates figured out that Columbine had been the box-office peak, The Dark Knight of the series, and it was all downhill from there.

This symbiotic relationship between the mass media and mass murderers has many random elements, but some people are always on the lookout for a good case that can be used to push the agenda, which at the moment is gun control.

Not all mass shootings are equally exploitable by the media, however. Remember the middle-aged Korean male nursing student with the seemingly memorable name One Goh who murdered seven people last April?

Me, neither.

Sometimes the press jumps out ahead of the facts. For example, after the GOP retook the House in 2010, many instantly assumed that the Tucson shooter was a Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck fan. It turned out that was wholly wishful thinking. But then, you haven’t heard much from Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck lately, have you? (Holding the megaphone means never having to say you are sorry.)

Other slaughters raise tricky issues. For example, the shooting at the first night of the last Batman movie had potential, what with suspicions that director Christopher Nolan is some kind of conservative. But he’s been prudent in his statements over the years, and it would have been much too hard to explain.

A couple of years ago, some reporters tried to jump on the story of the former Connecticut mass-murder record-holder Omar Thornton, a black thief who murdered eight white men in 2010 for being “racist.” More than a few newshounds assumed it was their duty to document just how badly the victims had it coming.

But within a week, wiser heads in the press prevailed: This is not the story of racial hate and mass murder you’re looking for. It’s supposed to be the white guy killing eight blacks, not vice-versa. Even though Thornton used the magic R-word, he was, when you stop and think about it, a mass murderer. We don’t want anybody to hear about this shooting and start thinking it’s maybe time for a national conversation on whether the mania about racists under the bed is getting kind of old. So, ixnay on the Omar.

But some shootings live on if they can be put to good use in advancing narratives. For example, the immortal Columbine massacre won Michael Moore an Oscar for explaining how we need tougher gun-control laws to stop those crazed rural rednecks from murdering everybody. In a celebrated scene, Moore ambushed NRA leader Charlton Heston to ask him why the US had a higher murder rate than countries such as Canada, causing the aged movie star to say,“Well, we probably have more mixed ethnicity here.”

Moore plugged this scene heavily in interviews:

“I was shocked when he said that.…There’s a racial thread that goes through this film and leads up to that moment. The underpinning of our collective fear is based on racism. So, for him to volunteer this….”

 
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  1. I try hard to remember things that get memory-holed, but I’d already forgotten about Thornton. Nobody will let us forget about this one.

  2. There’s an overall downward trend in the American murder rate over the last few hundred years.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    Indeed, murders have declined 50% in the last 25 years....and contrary to the narrative, mass attacks have also declined substantially.....Interesting that the biggest mass murderers, e.g. John Wayne Gacy and H.H.Holmes, didn't use firearms.
  3. Instead of a link to the NYT, Steve, you should have given a screenshot or html file to show how obsessed the NYT was with this story at time of writing:

    http://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8ZCCfC0yMSOd3EwcEJ4dEhmcjQ/view?usp=sharing

  4. Nothing new about serial killers and crazies. Surely you have read about the serial killer from the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago that murdered young women during the Columbian Exhibition? It was detailed in the book “Devil in White City”. There was also a nut in Bath Michigan that blew up a school in 1927.

  5. @Rob McX
    There's an overall downward trend in the American murder rate over the last few hundred years.

    Indeed, murders have declined 50% in the last 25 years….and contrary to the narrative, mass attacks have also declined substantially…..Interesting that the biggest mass murderers, e.g. John Wayne Gacy and H.H.Holmes, didn’t use firearms.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    You mean among whites, correct?

    Last month Baltimore, for example, just experienced one of the worst homicide rates for May in its history. And NY has been experiencing about a 10% increase in violent crime since DeBlasio took office based in no small part to the cancellation of such policies as stop and frisk.

    Oh, but of course everyday run of the mill homicides down those urban mean streets aren't what we're talking about.

    Because that kind of crime hasn't exactly leveled off or been greatly reduced. Might actually be on the uptick, in some urban centers.

    It is a paradox. On one hand, this is what the MSM greatly desires: To at long last have a great white racist serial killer. On the other hand, they have to sacrifice tons of victims to get their wish.

  6. Posted this before, but the “Zebra” murders in and around San Francisco, 14 for sure, some say 70 plus, were the work of black males targeting whites, solely because they were white. I don’t remember the “Zebra” murders, and my wife who lived in SF at the time doesn’t either. Zodiac was the killer news story.

    • Replies: @Brent
    A couple of years ago the San Francisco Chronicle had a little article on famous murders in the Bay Area. It briefly mentioned the Zebra Killers, vaguely referring to their murders as possibly racially-motivated without specifying which way their "possible" racism went (i.e., black to white), no doubt leaving it up to the readers to assume that they were White Power neo-Nazis murdering black folk.
  7. Seems to me that population density may also be a factor. Us primate mammals are social, but we need some space too. Probably a range of how much elbow room homo sapiens each require for comfort, maybe with racial/gender/intelligence predictors, but I bet in general we’re startin’ to get less than our North American genetic/cultural mix prefers.

  8. It seems strange that it wasn’t until 1891 that someone contradicted Aristotle and said Life imitates Art more than Art imitates Life. Oscar Wilde’s The Decay of Lying has become a climate of opinion. I wonder if Tipper Gore or her posse thought to bring it up in those hearings. I still remember the release of the Matrix was lengthily postponed in the wake of Columbine, and those two depraved boys apparently gorged on that scene in Basketball Diaries where Leonardo DiCaprio comes to class to shoot it up. And news media is just cheap shitty idiotic art. Media is just simulacrums, the stuff of art. Or entertainment lest art. People at Fox are quite candid about the fact that their serving up news as entertainment, I heard Bernie Goldberg going on about that on O’Reilly not too long ago. But these depraved people sell there soul to the devil for fifteen minutes of fame they won’t be able to feel. The only takeaway is to respect the power of art. The Greeks did all their killing offstage, probably for several reasons, but I bet no one had to explain that potent fiction can tamper with real peace. Tipper was maybe the last American suffragette in a way, fighting for parents the power to vote no.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    those two depraved boys apparently gorged on that scene in Basketball Diaries where Leonardo DiCaprio comes to class to shoot it up

    Basketball Diaries was 1995, but Julie Brown's "The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" was released in 1984.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG3yGdQYwqg
  9. One, hate-filled shooter provides source material for facts, fantasies, exaggerations, agenda taking points and more for tens to hundreds of thousands of hate-filled, anti-white racists.

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare. As many black-on-white murders have occurred weekly for at least the past decade.

    The megaphonic reaction will not be statistically insignificant. Renewed (white) witch hunts will put more incompetent negroes into government jobs, forcing more whites out, reducing the value of social services, and driving more white, borderline middle class families into borderline poverty.

    As economists like to say, there will be a market correction. Corrections are neither pretty nor tidy, but they are correct.

    Just as bin Laden wanted to ruin our empire but needed our overreaction to do the actual damage, so then Roof wanted to start a race war. Only the megaphonistas can do this, and they seem to be doing their worst.

    They will continue until corrected.

    • Replies: @24AheadDotCom
    There shouldn't be a violent "correction" and there won't be either a non-violent or violent "correction". Non-elite whites have too many mental and emotional problems to get their way about nearly anything political. In the political sphere, it's hard to think of anything non-elite whites have done that was smart and had an effect.

    Non-elite whites do things like send underwear to Congress to stop amnesty, camp in public parks to hold banks accountable, fill out worthless petitions to stop TPP, follow do-nothing leaders, turn their backs on tens of millions of their fellow Americans, and on and on and on. And, because of Dunning-Kruger, they think those things are working and turn on anyone who dares point out the truth.

    Right now, @LuisGuiterrez and friends are working to make Sanders worse on immigration than he is. If you point that out to a non-elite white they'll say all sorts of stupid things but the last thing they'd be willing to do is push back. They simply aren't capable of seeing the value in making Sanders better on immigration. And, because of that, we'll end up with yet another amnesty booster running for president.

    Comparing what elites/non-whites do to what non-elite whites do, someone would be forgiven to think they're two different species.

    , @Truth

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare
     
    Really, how many were there last year?
  10. One thing to bear in mind is that the sort of people who mass murder are different from serial killers, mostly. Mass murderers are generally paranoid list making types who don’t intend to make it out alive. Serial killers are mostly those who have a compulsive sexual motivation that when acted out involves killing someone, and intend to get away with it.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "One thing to bear in mind is that the sort of people who mass murder are different from serial killers, mostly. Mass murderers are generally paranoid list making types who don’t intend to make it out alive. Serial killers are mostly those who have a compulsive sexual motivation that when acted out involves killing someone, and intend to get away with it."

    It is true that for serial killers there is a compulsive sexual motivation behind their madness. That is why most serial killers are lonely sexually frustrated Heterosexual men who either mostly or only kill women.

    The Homosexual Jeffrey Dahmer is in the minority among serial killers and that zero of his victims were women, they were all men.

    Not too many examples of Heterosexual serial killers who's victims were either all or mostly men.

  11. It appears that this mass murderer was a slight white dude who grew up in a multiracial town. Why would a small white dude ever have a reason to resent black folk? Remember, racial violece is solely a function of white supremecy.

    That said, my theory could be complete bullshit. This guy might just be a nutter.

  12. Will not be able to stomach NPR for a while, at least the talk of Emmit Till should take a back seat for a bit.

  13. Actually, isn’t this the biggest American massacre of blacks in almost 100 years? I’m pretty sure nothing like this ever happened during the 1960s and I think you’d need to go back to the 1920s or 1930s for anything comparable or larger. Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.

    My own guess is that it might be directly related to the breakdown of total MSM control over information in our society…

    • Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    Six Hispanics killed by blacks in Tifton Ga in the 2000's.
    http://www.walb.com/story/3996209/naacp-hispanic-murders-were-not-hate-crimes
    , @Reg Cæsar
    The Tulsa riot in 1920 killed 39 blacks. If more than five whites were guilty, that brings the per capita rate below this Roof Shingle or Storm Window guy.
    , @Milo Minderbinder
    There was the MOVE bombing back in 1985. Philadelphia Mayor Wilson Goode ordered a bomb dropped on the compound killing 11 blacks

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing
    , @James Kabala
    Four is obviously smaller than nine, but the 16th Street Church bombing in 1963 was a notable multiple murder (not sure what the minimum number for a massacre would be). There were also the 1963 Mississippi murders, but of course two of the three victims there were white.
    , @Truth

    Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.
     
    Really? A dozen or two dozen massacres? I mean, not to challenge a man with a 200 IQ, but Mr. Unz, feel free to list them.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome

    isn’t this the biggest American massacre of blacks in almost 100 years
     
    Could be an artifact of blacks inaccuracy resulting in low fatality to wounding ratios. Also, EMT's have lots of experience from the constant shootings.

    Not for a want of trying:

    Funeral Home Shooting Kills Two People, Injures At Least 12

    13 injured in drive-by shooting outside DC apartment building

    Drive-by shooting in Washington, D.C. leaves three dead, six wounded
    , @SFG
    Couldn't it just be a quirk of the (Poisson, Cauchy, take your pick) random distribution of spree murders? Some guy happened to pick a place where there were a lot of people in one place to do his killing and got a higher death count?

    It's less than, say, many school shootings. Guy just happened to be an anti-black racist instead of a garden-variety nut.
    , @Pat Casey
    Mr. Unz,

    Breakdown of total MSM control over information in our society would take a quantum leap if you did an american pravada on the RFK assassination. May also make you think about this here incident differently, or maybe not.
  14. Whatever did happen with One Goh? Will Roof get the same ‘oh he’s hot’ reception women gave James Holmes?

    • Replies: @James Kabala
    From my straight male perspective, Holmes was one of the ugliest/creepiest men of all time. Do you really have any source for this, or is this just another Whiskey fantasy? There were some crazy women who came forward for Tsarnaev, I admit, but for Holmes?
  15. This is not a good post by you. Charles Whitman had a brain tumor. He wrote that he knew something was wrong and requested an autopsy to find it. He does not belong on your list of egoists. I am disappointed by your writing on this subject.

  16. For some reason I can’t paste in this box on mobile. But if you google ‘Shaw rejected too many times’ you will find an interesting story of bravery of repeated rejection, and breakup of the coalition of the fringes.

  17. I’m not sure why we have had this problem with spree killers; Starkweather (in 1957 IIRC) was a legendary case and inspiration for “Natural Born Killers”, but certainly there have been more killings of the Whitman type in the past 30 years than I can recall at any other time.

    Part of it has to do with the ability of these freaks to get hold of weapons, that’s for sure. Another part of it is that people of this kind are allowed to isolate themselves with weapons and develop their fantasies before lashing out.

    Part of it appears to be the availability of weapons: Except that Richard Speck strangled and stabbed 8 nurses two weeks before Whitman launched his spree.

    Part of it appears to be the willingness to allow people who are mentally ill to be autonomous. Whitman was able to fool people, but most of the current crop were known to be crazy before they acted.

    Nobody seems to want to either control weapons purchases or create greater oversight for the mentally ill. Any such movement is characterized as “discriminating” against the mentally ill, or “neurologically atypical.”

    What I have heard, however, is that by allowing Confederate flags and statues to Confederate heroes we are enabling these massacres ……

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Part of it appears to be the availability of weapons: Except that Richard Speck strangled and stabbed 8 nurses two weeks before Whitman launched his spree.

    In 1990, unemployed Cuban refugee Julio González committed one of the biggest mass murders in US history with a container of gasoline. The Happy Land social club fire caused the death of 87 people.

    , @BostonTea
    ""Part of it has to do with the ability of these freaks to get hold of weapons, that’s for sure.""

    Or milk cartons and lighters.

    February 18, 2003, a mass murder that attack occurred at the Jungangno Station of the Daegu Metropolitan Subway in Daegu, South Korea. It resulted in 192 deaths and 151 injuries. The attacker set fire to a train using 2 milk cartons of flammable liquid and a lighter.

    June 5, 2009, a mass murder–suicide attack occurred on a bus in Chengdu, Sichuan, China. It resulted in 27 deaths, and 76 injuries. The attacker used a milk carton full of flammable liquid and a lighter.

    June 7 2013, a mass murder-suicide attack occurred on a bus in Xiamen, Fujian province, China. It resulted in 47 people deaths and 34 injuries. The attacker used a carton or bottle of gasoline and a lighter.

    February 3 2015, a mass murder attack on a bus occurred in Bangladesh, India. It resulted in 7 deaths and 16 injuries. The attacker set fire to the bus using a bottle of gasoline.

    It took me less than 5 minutes to find these incidents. I've no idea what I'd find if I spent 24h researching net.

    , @Rob McX
    It must have been just as easy to get hold of weapons in the past - more so, before background checks and cooling-off periods.
    , @e
    No one wants to address what drug use does to the brains of young people...no pol has the nerve to touch the subject of drugs since they're too sissy to wage a real war. Progs especially won't touch the subject.
  18. Have any of the stevemunity actually looked into the surreal sandyhook shootings. Nothing about it seems legit.in the last few years the idea of media supported psyops seems more and more real …..I mean if you can overlook inconvenient truths that don’t support the “narrative ” year after year is it really so inconceivable that you might create a few stories to further the agenda. ..actually sounds kind of fun.

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    I'm with you on this one, L7. The list of major dubious events includes Sandy Hook, Boston, and now this weird story. The press is really letting us down - no one pays any attention to the many points raised on the net by serious people who study these events carefully.
  19. Besides the fact that MSM gives more attention to mass murders by whites, there’s also the fact that whites are the majority, and we’re more interested in murders committed by people like ourselves.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    The media gives much airplay to "white male serial killers", that was the norm here, until Anthony Sowell and Ariel Castro in Cleveland.

    In 1995, Clinton blamed conservative talk radio for OKC, he won re-election. In 2002, Cheney blamed Saddam for 9/11 and threatened a nuclear attack. He won re-election. In 2011, the liberals blamed Sarah Palin's map for the Giffords shooting. Obama was re-elected.

    Now they are blaming the Confederate flag and calling for gun confiscation. It's an opportune time for us to blame the Democrat/media complex for hyping up black riots and sexual prowess. It's the same standard they use to blame us.
  20. Shortly after his Charleston statement, Obama had a private dinner with a gun nut

    http://deadline.com/2015/06/obama-jeffrey-katzenberg-steven-spielberg-dinner-fundraisers-hillary-clinton-1201449090/

  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting how mass shootings have changed over the years. I think when I grew up there were killing sprees where the gunman just went crazy and shot people. Like the post office example. People weren’t really out to get specific racial groups.

    But now things seem to have changed. I believe from now on you will see specific groups targeted more and more.

    Is it all media driven, and all in the mass media and perception? Or has something changed in America?

    I think it is likely a little of both, but the trend is clear.

  22. @Ron Unz
    Actually, isn't this the biggest American massacre of blacks in almost 100 years? I'm pretty sure nothing like this ever happened during the 1960s and I think you'd need to go back to the 1920s or 1930s for anything comparable or larger. Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.

    My own guess is that it might be directly related to the breakdown of total MSM control over information in our society...

    Six Hispanics killed by blacks in Tifton Ga in the 2000′s.

    http://www.walb.com/story/3996209/naacp-hispanic-murders-were-not-hate-crimes

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Christopher Thomas, an African American, was convicted in the 1984 murder of 10 Hispanics in New York City in what was dubbed the Palm Sunday Massacre.

    https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/palm-sunday-massacre-7151984-christopher-thomas-convicted-and-sentenced-to-25-50-years-in-prison-parole-hearing-coming-up-in-february/
  23. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    It’s often been said…

    Practice what you preach.

    It’s because talk is cheap. It’s easy to say something but harder to actually do it.

    But among the affluent elites, we should say to them. ”preach what you practice”.

    As Ross Douthat and Charles Murray have pointed out, the affluent elites of America tend to lead responsible lives centered on diligence, responsibility, work ethic, family commitment, stable marriages, etc. Yet, they don’t want to promote their values cuz they might seem ‘reactionary’, ‘old-fashioned’, and etc.

    So, they are like closet-conservatives in practice. They do everything to make sure their girls don’t end up like Miley Cyrus, but they dare not put down the Cyruses of the world(whose example destroy underclass girls) cuz that might make them sound ‘prudish’.

    They need to preach what they practice.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    Maybe the elites think having a degenerate and demoralised underclass works to their advantage.
    , @Cagey Beast
    But among the affluent elites, we should say to them. ”preach what you practice”

    Too true. I'd say that one of the biggest reasons the elites don't show any inclination to preach what they practice is that they gain so much from letting the proles do whatever the hell they like. Once the elites got a feel for this brand new mass media culture of ours, they figured out they could happily pander to ever vice or pay lip service to any bad life choice and any consequences would happen to somebody somewhere over the horizon.

    Before mass communications the wealthy actually lived not that far from the vast majority of people they ever advised on any matter. Now, thanks to modern communication techniques, we can have a TV executive spend a day working on a new show that encourages 10yr old girls to dress like prostitutes and then go home to his own relatively prudish social circle. If he fouled his own nest and began encouraging the neighbourhood girls to dress like prostitutes he'd be blackballed at the very least.

  24. We already know what’s enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they’re God’s Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That’s the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don’t need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they’re smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve’s ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they’re entitled.

    I’ve always found it odd because Steve seems like a sharp guy but he doesn’t seem able to put 2 and 2 together. You can’t talk about how low-IQ makes people lash out in ignorant violence and still think you can preach the gospel of Charles Murray without turning people into Nazis.

    • Replies: @Grumpy
    I believe that Steve Sailer's readership is highest per capita in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
    , @Wyrd
    I see your white-supremicist mass-murderer and raise you two black-supremicist mass-murderers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks
    , @Pure and Easy
    Thanks for saying well what is very true.

    So many times on this website I see people go on an on about IQs and how the higher average IQs of whites and asians make them better citizens etc. I've always thought those who go on about their IQs aren't dumb, but also are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. They don't come from the same place as the crazy ass wipe who shot up the church but share his ideology. It's wrong and dangerous.
    , @Truth


    We already know what’s enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they’re God’s Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That’s the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don’t need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they’re smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve’s ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they’re entitled.
     
    Correction, big Ron, there seems another guy with a 200 IQ here, that makes three of us.
    , @Jack D
    America has descended so far into self parody (life imitating The Onion) that I can't tell anymore whether you're joking or not. I hope that you are joking.

    Look at this graph and (unless your own IQ is below 75) you'll understand why the average white person doesn't have to worry about fighting with blacks for 2nd place:

    http://libertarianrealist.blogspot.com/2012/05/iq-distributions.html
    , @asdf
    I doubt this wacko would have been able to follow 'ramblings about Galton or whatever'.

    Sigh. I live in Colorado. I remember Columbine. Next up in this ritual is the blame game. Don't blame the individuals - it's the video games, the antidepressants, Marilyn Manson. And now blogs apparently.
    , @Anonymous
    Yes. There is a large cohort of whites who are low Iq and who will be less likely to be violent than blacks but more prone to violence than high Iq whites.

    Taking whites as a whole and averaging the Iq out is not a good way to represent all white people. Low Iq whites are closer to Mexicans in behavior than high Iq whites.
    , @Anonymous
    I must disagree with this here:

    "That’s the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don’t need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they’re smarter than both of them."

    The lowest I ever scored on a regular proctored IQ test was 145, so I am not particularly stupid. At that level I did want to think about a philosophical issue, along the lines of "since in real life Christlike altruism is incorrect policy, how is it that my selfishness is not fully erect in all areas? How can I accept that Andaman Islanders as a group, because of stupidity and bad history usw. have a group self-interest inherently more deserving than the self-interest of us beautiful aboriginal American peckerwoods?...Screw that... " And we are off to the races.

    Based on the other lovely suitable similar persons I have met, white racism (and general unreasonable vicious egotism) seem to be well-correlated with not-particularly-stupid. A lot of them do practice operational discretion and avoid unnecessary annoyance by keeping their mouths shut and heads down until MisterNewFriend is known, valued and recognized.

    , @Anonymous
    Yeah, right. The lower half of the white bell curve is reading iSteve. Not listening to Insane Clown Posse and watching Keeping Up With The Kardashians.

    Even as a troll, you're a failure.
    , @matt
    http://www.amazon.com/Ideas-Have-Consequences-Expanded-Edition/dp/022609006X
  25. He would’ve gotten more sympathy if he’d shot up some black criminals or even a Popeye’s rather than a church meeting. Bad PR move on his part.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    No, I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He wanted to do the most appalling thing imaginable and what occurred to him was to murder innocent blacks at a bible study class in a historically significant black church. He probably knew that this would get the attention of the president and occupy the media for a week or more. Killing some black criminals, Death Wish style, would not have had the same impact.

    Adam Lanza killed the schoolchildren in Sandy Hook, CT, because he, too, wanted to do the most appalling thing imaginable so that he would be talked about and remembered.

  26. • Replies: @Truth

    Roof ought to consider a “white rage” defense
     
    Uh, he received a 315 year sentence, Racehorse Haynes.
  27. Hillary Clinton has compared the Charleston shooter to Republicans who want a huge wall built on the U.S/Mexican border. Hillary will do anything to pander to Hispanics. Every time that woman opens her mouth, my hatred for her grows even more.

  28. Steve, any thoughts on the first transgender woman to sing the national anthem at a sporting event:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3131659/Breanna-Sinclaire-transgender-woman-sing-national-anthem-professional-sporting-event.html

  29. @SPMoore8
    I'm not sure why we have had this problem with spree killers; Starkweather (in 1957 IIRC) was a legendary case and inspiration for "Natural Born Killers", but certainly there have been more killings of the Whitman type in the past 30 years than I can recall at any other time.

    Part of it has to do with the ability of these freaks to get hold of weapons, that's for sure. Another part of it is that people of this kind are allowed to isolate themselves with weapons and develop their fantasies before lashing out.

    Part of it appears to be the availability of weapons: Except that Richard Speck strangled and stabbed 8 nurses two weeks before Whitman launched his spree.

    Part of it appears to be the willingness to allow people who are mentally ill to be autonomous. Whitman was able to fool people, but most of the current crop were known to be crazy before they acted.

    Nobody seems to want to either control weapons purchases or create greater oversight for the mentally ill. Any such movement is characterized as "discriminating" against the mentally ill, or "neurologically atypical."

    What I have heard, however, is that by allowing Confederate flags and statues to Confederate heroes we are enabling these massacres ......

    Part of it appears to be the availability of weapons: Except that Richard Speck strangled and stabbed 8 nurses two weeks before Whitman launched his spree.

    In 1990, unemployed Cuban refugee Julio González committed one of the biggest mass murders in US history with a container of gasoline. The Happy Land social club fire caused the death of 87 people.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Thanks for reminding me of that. I keep trying to turn over in my mind what to do about these things. Then I think of the Korean kid at Virginia Tech, Holmes at the movie theater in Denver, the list just goes on and on. And how many people did that Norwegian guy kill? I know I keep hearing about people who are outraged that he did not receive a life without parole sentence ...... however .....

    Gonzales received 87 life sentences for the 87 deaths he caused (six injuries). However because the maximum penalty in NY is 25 to life, and because life sentences caused in one event must serve concurrently, he was up for parole in March of this year. And he will be up for parole in November, 2016, as well.

  30. @SPMoore8
    I'm not sure why we have had this problem with spree killers; Starkweather (in 1957 IIRC) was a legendary case and inspiration for "Natural Born Killers", but certainly there have been more killings of the Whitman type in the past 30 years than I can recall at any other time.

    Part of it has to do with the ability of these freaks to get hold of weapons, that's for sure. Another part of it is that people of this kind are allowed to isolate themselves with weapons and develop their fantasies before lashing out.

    Part of it appears to be the availability of weapons: Except that Richard Speck strangled and stabbed 8 nurses two weeks before Whitman launched his spree.

    Part of it appears to be the willingness to allow people who are mentally ill to be autonomous. Whitman was able to fool people, but most of the current crop were known to be crazy before they acted.

    Nobody seems to want to either control weapons purchases or create greater oversight for the mentally ill. Any such movement is characterized as "discriminating" against the mentally ill, or "neurologically atypical."

    What I have heard, however, is that by allowing Confederate flags and statues to Confederate heroes we are enabling these massacres ......

    “”Part of it has to do with the ability of these freaks to get hold of weapons, that’s for sure.””

    Or milk cartons and lighters.

    February 18, 2003, a mass murder that attack occurred at the Jungangno Station of the Daegu Metropolitan Subway in Daegu, South Korea. It resulted in 192 deaths and 151 injuries. The attacker set fire to a train using 2 milk cartons of flammable liquid and a lighter.

    June 5, 2009, a mass murder–suicide attack occurred on a bus in Chengdu, Sichuan, China. It resulted in 27 deaths, and 76 injuries. The attacker used a milk carton full of flammable liquid and a lighter.

    June 7 2013, a mass murder-suicide attack occurred on a bus in Xiamen, Fujian province, China. It resulted in 47 people deaths and 34 injuries. The attacker used a carton or bottle of gasoline and a lighter.

    February 3 2015, a mass murder attack on a bus occurred in Bangladesh, India. It resulted in 7 deaths and 16 injuries. The attacker set fire to the bus using a bottle of gasoline.

    It took me less than 5 minutes to find these incidents. I’ve no idea what I’d find if I spent 24h researching net.

  31. @SPMoore8
    I'm not sure why we have had this problem with spree killers; Starkweather (in 1957 IIRC) was a legendary case and inspiration for "Natural Born Killers", but certainly there have been more killings of the Whitman type in the past 30 years than I can recall at any other time.

    Part of it has to do with the ability of these freaks to get hold of weapons, that's for sure. Another part of it is that people of this kind are allowed to isolate themselves with weapons and develop their fantasies before lashing out.

    Part of it appears to be the availability of weapons: Except that Richard Speck strangled and stabbed 8 nurses two weeks before Whitman launched his spree.

    Part of it appears to be the willingness to allow people who are mentally ill to be autonomous. Whitman was able to fool people, but most of the current crop were known to be crazy before they acted.

    Nobody seems to want to either control weapons purchases or create greater oversight for the mentally ill. Any such movement is characterized as "discriminating" against the mentally ill, or "neurologically atypical."

    What I have heard, however, is that by allowing Confederate flags and statues to Confederate heroes we are enabling these massacres ......

    It must have been just as easy to get hold of weapons in the past – more so, before background checks and cooling-off periods.

  32. The Huffington Post Negro Marc Lamont Hill is talking about the prevalence of violent culture in White America. The irony of a Black man saying that. A Black man criticizing White culture for being too violent is the equivalent of Mexicans and Pacific Islanders/Polynesians criticizing Americans for being too obese.

    Black males are not exactly Model Minorities for them to think that they are less likely to have violent impulses than White people.

    • Replies: @Steve Richter
    I have never have understood what "irony" actually means. So I just read this:
    http://blog.dictionary.com/ironic/

    "... An ironic remark conveys a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning. So, in an ironic statement one thing is said, while another thing is meant. For example, if you were trying to be ironic on a stormy, dreary day, you might say: “What glorious weather!” Or if you were suffering from a bad cold, you might ironically say: “I feel like a million bucks.” These are both examples of verbal irony, the most common occurrence of the figure of speech. ..."

    Irony is close in meaning to sarcasm. Where sarcasm is an ironic statement with intent to ridicule or mock.

    And there is this: "... Dramatic irony is inherent in speeches or a situation of a drama and is understood by the audience but not grasped by the characters in the play ...". So yes, what Hill said was ironic, but from the perspective of the reader, who know he had his conclusion all wrong.
  33. A completely senseless crime, and like many others the shooter was another white druggie.

    That said, if this had been say Muslims or even blacks that had perpetrated a crime like this, there would by now be endless talk from the MSM of a backlash from whites. We’ve already seen police officers killed in revenge attacks, yet the media is silent on any potential backlash in this case.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    That said, if this had been say Muslims or even blacks that had perpetrated a crime like this, there would by now be endless talk from the MSM of a backlash from whites.
     
    Good point. Instead, the media are trying to manufacture a backlash against Whites.
    , @Britt G.
    Hm, I feel like this is mostly because they know manufactured stories about white backlash won't self-actualize, but manufactured stories about backlash against whites very well might. We saw in Ferguson and Baltimore what happens when you rile up black people...
  34. @Ron Unz
    Actually, isn't this the biggest American massacre of blacks in almost 100 years? I'm pretty sure nothing like this ever happened during the 1960s and I think you'd need to go back to the 1920s or 1930s for anything comparable or larger. Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.

    My own guess is that it might be directly related to the breakdown of total MSM control over information in our society...

    The Tulsa riot in 1920 killed 39 blacks. If more than five whites were guilty, that brings the per capita rate below this Roof Shingle or Storm Window guy.

  35. The White South Carolina shooter lived in a suburb of Charleston that is predominantly Black. I wonder if he was violently bullied a lot growing up in a predominantly Black suburb and that is what drove him to hate Blacks.

    • Replies: @Truth

    The White South Carolina shooter lived in a suburb of Charleston that is predominantly Black. I wonder if he was violently bullied a lot growing up in a predominantly Black suburb and that is what drove him to hate Blacks.
     

    It appears that this mass murderer was a slight white dude who grew up in a multiracial town. Why would a small white dude ever have a reason to resent black folk? Remember, racial violece is solely a function of white supremecy.
     


    Texas school tower rifleman deserves his own category. He had a brain tumor that drastically altered his personality.
     
    Are we making excuses for (alleged) felons who bear some, superficial resemblance to us, again?

    Man, white people sure seem to do that a lot.
    , @Ed
    To wit BBC has an interview with a black friend:


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33209654
  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Texas school tower rifleman deserves his own category. He had a brain tumor that drastically altered his personality. He actually suspected he had the condition before he went beserk and requested an autopsy inspection of his melon and he did in fact have the tumor pressing on his brain. At least that’s the story iirc very sad he shot his wife before he left the house also I think……

    • Replies: @Hal
    Also had as song written about it. The Ballad of Charles Texas Tower Whitman by Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys.
  37. @Harry Baldwin
    Part of it appears to be the availability of weapons: Except that Richard Speck strangled and stabbed 8 nurses two weeks before Whitman launched his spree.

    In 1990, unemployed Cuban refugee Julio González committed one of the biggest mass murders in US history with a container of gasoline. The Happy Land social club fire caused the death of 87 people.

    Thanks for reminding me of that. I keep trying to turn over in my mind what to do about these things. Then I think of the Korean kid at Virginia Tech, Holmes at the movie theater in Denver, the list just goes on and on. And how many people did that Norwegian guy kill? I know I keep hearing about people who are outraged that he did not receive a life without parole sentence …… however …..

    Gonzales received 87 life sentences for the 87 deaths he caused (six injuries). However because the maximum penalty in NY is 25 to life, and because life sentences caused in one event must serve concurrently, he was up for parole in March of this year. And he will be up for parole in November, 2016, as well.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    The Gothenberg discotheque was similar. It was initially blamed on racists since most victims were minorities, then it disappeared down the Memory Hole. Google reveals that it was young, stupid pissed off immigrants who committed it.
  38. I don’t see how the case of Omar compares to this one.

    Omar was murdering up instead of murdering down.

    In this case, women and minorities were hardest hit.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    What we had was a political assassination. And I don't hear any liberals moaning about "separation of church and state". The State Senator killed was also a reverend.
    , @Jefferson
    "I don’t see how the case of Omar compares to this one.

    Omar was murdering up instead of murdering down.

    In this case, women and minorities were hardest hit."

    Omar is a common thug name.
  39. SPMoore: why not put the problem in perspective, first?

    Bee stings are in contention every year to kill more people than gun-toting mass murderers.

    Heard NPR on this today, and they were emphatic that this was “terrorism.” And racist white supremacist hate crime. Someone should point out to them that when the PotUS refuses to call Nidal Hassan or Omar Thornton “terrorists,” it sort of looks funny if he makes a big deal out of the “terrorism” when the perp’s a white guy. That it’s a bit odd to do a lot of speculating about ties to “white supremacy,” when they refuse to make much of Hassan’s ties to Al-Qaeda. Et cetera.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    I've been listening to NPR the past couple of days and they've actually given this incident quite a bit less coverage than I thought they would (they aren't interrupting or changing the subject of their talk shows, and it's "only" about 40% or so of their news coverage). In fact, one of the two stations in Boston, WGBH (which is almost comically flush with cash) is even doing a fundraiser. I figure it's because they believe that it's a very common, everyday occurrence that white supremacists mass-murder blacks, so a white supremacist mass-murdering blacks is not especially newsworthy.
    , @no name
    In an amazing coincidence the New York Times published an op-ed the day before the shootings about the rise of right-wing terrorism in America. When I read it I thought "So this is the new thing: white terrorists". I'm sure the writers could not believe their luck when this actually happened the very next day. It's not really new though. Timothy McVeigh and Ted Kaczynski were both called terrorists.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
  40. @Anon
    It's often been said...

    Practice what you preach.

    It's because talk is cheap. It's easy to say something but harder to actually do it.

    But among the affluent elites, we should say to them. ''preach what you practice".

    As Ross Douthat and Charles Murray have pointed out, the affluent elites of America tend to lead responsible lives centered on diligence, responsibility, work ethic, family commitment, stable marriages, etc. Yet, they don't want to promote their values cuz they might seem 'reactionary', 'old-fashioned', and etc.

    So, they are like closet-conservatives in practice. They do everything to make sure their girls don't end up like Miley Cyrus, but they dare not put down the Cyruses of the world(whose example destroy underclass girls) cuz that might make them sound 'prudish'.

    They need to preach what they practice.

    Maybe the elites think having a degenerate and demoralised underclass works to their advantage.

  41. The notorious Harpe brothers were late 18th century serial killers. They would disembowel their victims, weigh them down with stones then throw them in rivers. In 1799 Kentuckian John Leiper killed Big Harpe, beheaded him and stuck his head on a post at a crossroads still known as Harpe’s Head Road. Little Harpe was hanged by the Spanish in 1804. It is believed that the Harpe’s killed over 40 persons before they met their fate. Big Harpe supposedly even dashed his infant daughter’s brains out on a tree due to constant crying. It was the only crime for which he ever claimed remorse.

  42. @Rob McX
    Besides the fact that MSM gives more attention to mass murders by whites, there’s also the fact that whites are the majority, and we’re more interested in murders committed by people like ourselves.

    The media gives much airplay to “white male serial killers”, that was the norm here, until Anthony Sowell and Ariel Castro in Cleveland.

    In 1995, Clinton blamed conservative talk radio for OKC, he won re-election. In 2002, Cheney blamed Saddam for 9/11 and threatened a nuclear attack. He won re-election. In 2011, the liberals blamed Sarah Palin’s map for the Giffords shooting. Obama was re-elected.

    Now they are blaming the Confederate flag and calling for gun confiscation. It’s an opportune time for us to blame the Democrat/media complex for hyping up black riots and sexual prowess. It’s the same standard they use to blame us.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    And now there's a Netflix series based on the Castro hostage story.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbreakable_Kimmy_Schmidt

    But is the lead character rescued from a lone sicko of Hispanic origin?

    Of course not. She's rescued from a religious cult run by a white guy. Played by the actor who played the prototypical white guy who got his comeupppance during the Consciousness Revolution, Don Draper.
  43. @candid_observer
    I don't see how the case of Omar compares to this one.

    Omar was murdering up instead of murdering down.

    In this case, women and minorities were hardest hit.

    What we had was a political assassination. And I don’t hear any liberals moaning about “separation of church and state”. The State Senator killed was also a reverend.

  44. @Anonym
    One thing to bear in mind is that the sort of people who mass murder are different from serial killers, mostly. Mass murderers are generally paranoid list making types who don't intend to make it out alive. Serial killers are mostly those who have a compulsive sexual motivation that when acted out involves killing someone, and intend to get away with it.

    “One thing to bear in mind is that the sort of people who mass murder are different from serial killers, mostly. Mass murderers are generally paranoid list making types who don’t intend to make it out alive. Serial killers are mostly those who have a compulsive sexual motivation that when acted out involves killing someone, and intend to get away with it.”

    It is true that for serial killers there is a compulsive sexual motivation behind their madness. That is why most serial killers are lonely sexually frustrated Heterosexual men who either mostly or only kill women.

    The Homosexual Jeffrey Dahmer is in the minority among serial killers and that zero of his victims were women, they were all men.

    Not too many examples of Heterosexual serial killers who’s victims were either all or mostly men.

    • Replies: @lol
    dude about half of all serial killers are "gay" or bisexual. just check the wikipedia list. Its partially because gays are really easy to contact discreetly and to lure away from general society, and its partially because homosexual behavior is co-morbid with a wide range of mental disorders, from narcissism to sociopathy.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Jefferson says

    It is true that for serial killers there is a compulsive sexual motivation behind their madness. That is why most serial killers are lonely sexually frustrated Heterosexual men who either mostly or only kill women.

    The Homosexual Jeffrey Dahmer is in the minority among serial killers and that zero of his victims were women, they were all men."

    Actually, you are quite wrong. There have been plenty of homosexual serial killers. Dahmer was not so rare as you make him out to be. Every heard of John Wayne Gacy? Wayne Williams? Carl Panzeram? I'm sure there were probably many others. The media today is dedicated to the proposition that all homosexual men are fabulous moral paragons, who are every woman's best friend, but that is not true. The fact is that there are plenty of violent, aggressive homosexuals, many of whom hate women.

    Neither is it true that serial killers are necessarily sexually frustrated. The Green River Killer regularly visited prostitutes (many of whom he murdered), and was married. Ted Bundy didn't seem to have any problem getting women, and he even had several steady girlfriends over the years. The BTK killer in Wichita was married.
  45. @Anon
    It's often been said...

    Practice what you preach.

    It's because talk is cheap. It's easy to say something but harder to actually do it.

    But among the affluent elites, we should say to them. ''preach what you practice".

    As Ross Douthat and Charles Murray have pointed out, the affluent elites of America tend to lead responsible lives centered on diligence, responsibility, work ethic, family commitment, stable marriages, etc. Yet, they don't want to promote their values cuz they might seem 'reactionary', 'old-fashioned', and etc.

    So, they are like closet-conservatives in practice. They do everything to make sure their girls don't end up like Miley Cyrus, but they dare not put down the Cyruses of the world(whose example destroy underclass girls) cuz that might make them sound 'prudish'.

    They need to preach what they practice.

    But among the affluent elites, we should say to them. ”preach what you practice”

    Too true. I’d say that one of the biggest reasons the elites don’t show any inclination to preach what they practice is that they gain so much from letting the proles do whatever the hell they like. Once the elites got a feel for this brand new mass media culture of ours, they figured out they could happily pander to ever vice or pay lip service to any bad life choice and any consequences would happen to somebody somewhere over the horizon.

    Before mass communications the wealthy actually lived not that far from the vast majority of people they ever advised on any matter. Now, thanks to modern communication techniques, we can have a TV executive spend a day working on a new show that encourages 10yr old girls to dress like prostitutes and then go home to his own relatively prudish social circle. If he fouled his own nest and began encouraging the neighbourhood girls to dress like prostitutes he’d be blackballed at the very least.

  46. @NAbler
    We already know what's enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they're God's Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That's the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don't need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they're smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve's ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they're entitled.

    I've always found it odd because Steve seems like a sharp guy but he doesn't seem able to put 2 and 2 together. You can't talk about how low-IQ makes people lash out in ignorant violence and still think you can preach the gospel of Charles Murray without turning people into Nazis.

    I believe that Steve Sailer’s readership is highest per capita in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

  47. http://mashable.com/2015/06/19/orem-owlz-caucasian-heritage-night/

    lol, Caucasian heritage night? Not the onion, as far as i can tell.

  48. @Pat Casey
    It seems strange that it wasn't until 1891 that someone contradicted Aristotle and said Life imitates Art more than Art imitates Life. Oscar Wilde's The Decay of Lying has become a climate of opinion. I wonder if Tipper Gore or her posse thought to bring it up in those hearings. I still remember the release of the Matrix was lengthily postponed in the wake of Columbine, and those two depraved boys apparently gorged on that scene in Basketball Diaries where Leonardo DiCaprio comes to class to shoot it up. And news media is just cheap shitty idiotic art. Media is just simulacrums, the stuff of art. Or entertainment lest art. People at Fox are quite candid about the fact that their serving up news as entertainment, I heard Bernie Goldberg going on about that on O'Reilly not too long ago. But these depraved people sell there soul to the devil for fifteen minutes of fame they won't be able to feel. The only takeaway is to respect the power of art. The Greeks did all their killing offstage, probably for several reasons, but I bet no one had to explain that potent fiction can tamper with real peace. Tipper was maybe the last American suffragette in a way, fighting for parents the power to vote no.

    those two depraved boys apparently gorged on that scene in Basketball Diaries where Leonardo DiCaprio comes to class to shoot it up

    Basketball Diaries was 1995, but Julie Brown’s “The Homecoming Queen’s Got a Gun” was released in 1984.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "those two depraved boys apparently gorged on that scene in Basketball Diaries where Leonardo DiCaprio comes to class to shoot it up

    Basketball Diaries was 1995, but Julie Brown’s “The Homecoming Queen’s Got a Gun” was released in 1984."

    Julie Brown was recording a song about killing people long before gangsta rappers started doing it.
    , @Pat Casey
    Very interesting. actually felt like a teaching moment, or minutes. would have never known of it. To me it feels nightmarish, and I guess it was more like cotton candy when it came out. It makes me think of no one so much as David Lynch, meta-irony masked as surrealism, opposite emotions jam-packed together. Not that I enjoy any of his stuff much, but he did seem keyed into the zeitgeist in a more original way than anyone else in the 80s.
    , @SFG
    Nice. I heard that one as a kid. Hadn't realized they'd made a video.

    There might also be a bit of nerd wish-fulfillment in there--note she goes crazy over a geek, and her first target is the geek girl who is presumably her rival for the guys' affections.

    But of course, who writes comedy songs?
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "...but Julie Brown’s “The Homecoming Queen’s Got a Gun” was released in 1984."

    I recall when that song came out. School shootings weren't yet on anyone's real radar at that time. We all just thought the song was funny (if also annoying; it was basically kinda good the very first time you heard it, and never again), because it was so absurd.

    Here's a recollection some may find interesting: When I was eight or nine (back during the Carter administration), I was playing with my best friend (in Saratoga, California), and there was this older kid who was also hanging out. I didn't quite understand it at the time, but the reason he was hanging out with us, is because he was some sort of friendless loser; we little kids were the only people who'd be nice or respectful towards him. Anyhoo, I remember him saying that he couldn't wait for "the prom," because he was going to bring something very surprising. I couldn't figure out what he was getting at, so I asked, "You mean like a bottle of whiskey?," and the guy responded,"No, more like a gun." I thought that was hilariously weird, and jokingly mentioned it all day long, and so subsequently, my best-friend's mother made sure that kid didn't hang out with us anymore, LOL. It wasn't until years later, that I realized he was quite serious. But fortunately, he came to his senses (or chickened out, perhaps?), and the deed was never done. We'd have to wait almost twenty more years for Columbine to occur, and thus school shootings became "a thing."
  49. @candid_observer
    I don't see how the case of Omar compares to this one.

    Omar was murdering up instead of murdering down.

    In this case, women and minorities were hardest hit.

    “I don’t see how the case of Omar compares to this one.

    Omar was murdering up instead of murdering down.

    In this case, women and minorities were hardest hit.”

    Omar is a common thug name.

  50. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    Six Hispanics killed by blacks in Tifton Ga in the 2000's.
    http://www.walb.com/story/3996209/naacp-hispanic-murders-were-not-hate-crimes

    Christopher Thomas, an African American, was convicted in the 1984 murder of 10 Hispanics in New York City in what was dubbed the Palm Sunday Massacre.

    https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/palm-sunday-massacre-7151984-christopher-thomas-convicted-and-sentenced-to-25-50-years-in-prison-parole-hearing-coming-up-in-february/

    • Replies: @Truth

    Christopher Thomas, an African American, was convicted in the 1984 murder of 10 Hispanics in New York City in what was dubbed the Palm Sunday Massacre.
     
    1984 huh? Good year, Regan was president; American Motors still made cars.
  51. SPMoore: why not put the problem in perspective, first? Bee stings are in contention every year to kill more people than gun-toting mass murderers.

    Right, but no one is saying that as a result of a bee sting death once a week that Confederate flags should be banned or that white people should re-double their efforts to eradicate their racism in order to stop it.

    The other part of the problem is that there’s a limit to “putting in perspective” when it’s your own family at risk. You just can’t blow off Virginia Tech, or Sandy Hook, or Aurora, CO, etc. by saying that “well, it coulda been a bee sting.” The first impulse is gun control (as what happened in Australia or Scotland after their famous mass murders, and I don’t think anyone wants that), and the second impulse is to cause citizens to flee the public square, with all that that entails (and I don’t think anyone wants that, either.)

    In short, comparing this to bee stings is just not going to be very effective.

  52. @Svigor
    SPMoore: why not put the problem in perspective, first?

    Bee stings are in contention every year to kill more people than gun-toting mass murderers.

    Heard NPR on this today, and they were emphatic that this was "terrorism." And racist white supremacist hate crime. Someone should point out to them that when the PotUS refuses to call Nidal Hassan or Omar Thornton "terrorists," it sort of looks funny if he makes a big deal out of the "terrorism" when the perp's a white guy. That it's a bit odd to do a lot of speculating about ties to "white supremacy," when they refuse to make much of Hassan's ties to Al-Qaeda. Et cetera.

    I’ve been listening to NPR the past couple of days and they’ve actually given this incident quite a bit less coverage than I thought they would (they aren’t interrupting or changing the subject of their talk shows, and it’s “only” about 40% or so of their news coverage). In fact, one of the two stations in Boston, WGBH (which is almost comically flush with cash) is even doing a fundraiser. I figure it’s because they believe that it’s a very common, everyday occurrence that white supremacists mass-murder blacks, so a white supremacist mass-murdering blacks is not especially newsworthy.

  53. @SPMoore8
    Thanks for reminding me of that. I keep trying to turn over in my mind what to do about these things. Then I think of the Korean kid at Virginia Tech, Holmes at the movie theater in Denver, the list just goes on and on. And how many people did that Norwegian guy kill? I know I keep hearing about people who are outraged that he did not receive a life without parole sentence ...... however .....

    Gonzales received 87 life sentences for the 87 deaths he caused (six injuries). However because the maximum penalty in NY is 25 to life, and because life sentences caused in one event must serve concurrently, he was up for parole in March of this year. And he will be up for parole in November, 2016, as well.

    The Gothenberg discotheque was similar. It was initially blamed on racists since most victims were minorities, then it disappeared down the Memory Hole. Google reveals that it was young, stupid pissed off immigrants who committed it.

  54. @Anonymous
    Texas school tower rifleman deserves his own category. He had a brain tumor that drastically altered his personality. He actually suspected he had the condition before he went beserk and requested an autopsy inspection of his melon and he did in fact have the tumor pressing on his brain. At least that's the story iirc very sad he shot his wife before he left the house also I think......

    Also had as song written about it. The Ballad of Charles Texas Tower Whitman by Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys.

  55. @Harry Baldwin
    those two depraved boys apparently gorged on that scene in Basketball Diaries where Leonardo DiCaprio comes to class to shoot it up

    Basketball Diaries was 1995, but Julie Brown's "The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" was released in 1984.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG3yGdQYwqg

    “those two depraved boys apparently gorged on that scene in Basketball Diaries where Leonardo DiCaprio comes to class to shoot it up

    Basketball Diaries was 1995, but Julie Brown’s “The Homecoming Queen’s Got a Gun” was released in 1984.”

    Julie Brown was recording a song about killing people long before gangsta rappers started doing it.

  56. @Anonymous
    He would've gotten more sympathy if he'd shot up some black criminals or even a Popeye's rather than a church meeting. Bad PR move on his part.

    No, I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He wanted to do the most appalling thing imaginable and what occurred to him was to murder innocent blacks at a bible study class in a historically significant black church. He probably knew that this would get the attention of the president and occupy the media for a week or more. Killing some black criminals, Death Wish style, would not have had the same impact.

    Adam Lanza killed the schoolchildren in Sandy Hook, CT, because he, too, wanted to do the most appalling thing imaginable so that he would be talked about and remembered.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    He probably knew that this would get the attention of the president and occupy the media for a week or more.
     
    Unfortunately it took attention off the House long enough for the traitorous elite to sneak through their trade bill. Nine innocent people dying is bad. But millions of Americans are going to be adversely affected by this trade deal.
    , @Anonymous
    I mean sympathy for the cause.
  57. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t forget this guy grew up in a toxic environment. South Carolina still flies the confederate flag for Pete’s sake. How fitting a racist terrorist would unleash his evil in a white supremacist state.

    I hope our government does the right thing, however unlikely, and significantly curtails gun ownership and bans white supremacist symbols, practices and ideology

    • Replies: @e
    You're too funny!
    , @whatgives
    You live in SC, right? So you know this? Actually, race relations here seem to be a lot better here than in the north right now. A toxic environment? Please. We've said no to Al Sharpton's offer for "help" twice now. Now THAT would create a toxic environment. As for guns, maybe if someone in that church had been packing, there wouldn't be 9 dead.
  58. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:

    I live in a Major Metropolis with lots of blacks. I detect nothing among them. No shock, no particular anger. I think they are as numb as the rest of us at these shootings. The saddest thing, apart from the deaths themselves, is how accustomed we are to severely disturbed young men who act out.

    Condolences to the families.

  59. On a different note, the killer needs to get the death penalty. Both because killers should get the death penalty and also because the left will never, ever let anyone hear the end of it if he doesn’t. I’m already reading the weeks of editorials and op-eds the Globe would crap out about poor misunderstood Tsarnaev vs. mean racist Amerikkka.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Another reason this killer should get the death penalty is being demonstrated right now in upstate New York...escaped killers on the loose. If they had put these guys in the fry-daddy we wouldn't have this problem right now.
  60. @SPMoore8
    I'm not sure why we have had this problem with spree killers; Starkweather (in 1957 IIRC) was a legendary case and inspiration for "Natural Born Killers", but certainly there have been more killings of the Whitman type in the past 30 years than I can recall at any other time.

    Part of it has to do with the ability of these freaks to get hold of weapons, that's for sure. Another part of it is that people of this kind are allowed to isolate themselves with weapons and develop their fantasies before lashing out.

    Part of it appears to be the availability of weapons: Except that Richard Speck strangled and stabbed 8 nurses two weeks before Whitman launched his spree.

    Part of it appears to be the willingness to allow people who are mentally ill to be autonomous. Whitman was able to fool people, but most of the current crop were known to be crazy before they acted.

    Nobody seems to want to either control weapons purchases or create greater oversight for the mentally ill. Any such movement is characterized as "discriminating" against the mentally ill, or "neurologically atypical."

    What I have heard, however, is that by allowing Confederate flags and statues to Confederate heroes we are enabling these massacres ......

    No one wants to address what drug use does to the brains of young people…no pol has the nerve to touch the subject of drugs since they’re too sissy to wage a real war. Progs especially won’t touch the subject.

  61. @Ron Unz
    Actually, isn't this the biggest American massacre of blacks in almost 100 years? I'm pretty sure nothing like this ever happened during the 1960s and I think you'd need to go back to the 1920s or 1930s for anything comparable or larger. Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.

    My own guess is that it might be directly related to the breakdown of total MSM control over information in our society...

    There was the MOVE bombing back in 1985. Philadelphia Mayor Wilson Goode ordered a bomb dropped on the compound killing 11 blacks

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    There was the MOVE bombing back in 1985. Philadelphia Mayor Wilson Goode ordered a bomb dropped on the compound killing 11 blacks
     
    Sure, but that was a government/official massacre, which is different from what I was talking about. Also, the government official who (inadvertently) caused it to happen was himself black.

    I assume a reasonable slice of those cultists killed at Waco were probably black, but that would fall into the same governmental category. And many hundreds of Americans blacks were killed/killed themselves in the Jonestown massacre, but that happened in Guyana.
  62. Truth be told, we live in a bankrupt nation. Morally empty and everybody owes or owes you something. More stuff is going to close. Higher unemployment, no security, violence, corruption and blame. Blame is a big deal.

  63. One of the odd things about this story is how the MSM will handle it…

    After all, for the last couple of years, especially the last few months, there’s been absolutely endless coverage about numerous cases of black thugs whose stupid criminal behavior or attacks on police officers or others get them killed. So with such oceans of ink having been spent on those hihg-profile quasi-hoaxes, it will be difficult for the MSM to figure out how to appropriately raise the volume on the biggest honest-to-goodness massacre of innocent blacks in maybe 100 years.

    • Replies: @Pure and Easy
    [I've noticed what seems to an increase in sock-puppetry here, namely using multiple different names to give the impression one's views are more widespread than they actually are. If this trend continues, I may need to add a bit of code to reduce it.]

    stupid behavior shouldn't cause a man to be shot in the back by a cop. nor should stealing. nor should a lot of the smaller crimes which caused cops to get pissed and shoot a civilian.

    what caused the killing of them were institutionalized bad police enforcement.

    MSM isn't a person, it's a force that responds to what is of interest to it's consumers. The volume will be raised as high as the general demand of it should be. And that will be appropriate.
    , @Rob McX
    It will be interesting to see how they maximise the potential of this killing. From the race hustlers' point of view, it would have been better if it had happened after a long lull in interracial violence, or at least a period where such violence got no media attention. The Black Lives Matter meme has already hit saturation level, so there's nowhere to go from here. I suspect they'll pursue the hate speech or gun control angles.
    , @Ed
    The killer's friends have said he railed against the Trayvon Martin case and recently the Baltimore fiasco. The one sided illogical media coverage has surely upset quite a few people out there.

    If you're a poor white, high school dropout in a multicultural community you might be left with the impression that blacks do run things. They'll dominate social life at school through bullying and athletics. If you dare fight back you'll be branded a racist and tossed out. When you go home and watch TV or click on news site you'll see the media spin stories that seem detached from your reality. There are a lot of disaffected youth out here but only the non-whites ones are paid any attention.
    I suspect we'll see more of these types of killings.

  64. @NAbler
    We already know what's enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they're God's Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That's the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don't need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they're smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve's ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they're entitled.

    I've always found it odd because Steve seems like a sharp guy but he doesn't seem able to put 2 and 2 together. You can't talk about how low-IQ makes people lash out in ignorant violence and still think you can preach the gospel of Charles Murray without turning people into Nazis.

    I see your white-supremicist mass-murderer and raise you two black-supremicist mass-murderers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Don't forget the New Orleans sniper, Mark James Robert Essex. He was an African American who killed nine people, including five policemen, and wounded 13 others in New Orleans on December 31, 1972 and January 7, 1973.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Essex
  65. @Hal
    One, hate-filled shooter provides source material for facts, fantasies, exaggerations, agenda taking points and more for tens to hundreds of thousands of hate-filled, anti-white racists.

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare. As many black-on-white murders have occurred weekly for at least the past decade.

    The megaphonic reaction will not be statistically insignificant. Renewed (white) witch hunts will put more incompetent negroes into government jobs, forcing more whites out, reducing the value of social services, and driving more white, borderline middle class families into borderline poverty.

    As economists like to say, there will be a market correction. Corrections are neither pretty nor tidy, but they are correct.

    Just as bin Laden wanted to ruin our empire but needed our overreaction to do the actual damage, so then Roof wanted to start a race war. Only the megaphonistas can do this, and they seem to be doing their worst.

    They will continue until corrected.

    There shouldn’t be a violent “correction” and there won’t be either a non-violent or violent “correction”. Non-elite whites have too many mental and emotional problems to get their way about nearly anything political. In the political sphere, it’s hard to think of anything non-elite whites have done that was smart and had an effect.

    Non-elite whites do things like send underwear to Congress to stop amnesty, camp in public parks to hold banks accountable, fill out worthless petitions to stop TPP, follow do-nothing leaders, turn their backs on tens of millions of their fellow Americans, and on and on and on. And, because of Dunning-Kruger, they think those things are working and turn on anyone who dares point out the truth.

    Right now, @LuisGuiterrez and friends are working to make Sanders worse on immigration than he is. If you point that out to a non-elite white they’ll say all sorts of stupid things but the last thing they’d be willing to do is push back. They simply aren’t capable of seeing the value in making Sanders better on immigration. And, because of that, we’ll end up with yet another amnesty booster running for president.

    Comparing what elites/non-whites do to what non-elite whites do, someone would be forgiven to think they’re two different species.

    • Replies: @Hal

    There shouldn’t be a violent “correction” and there won’t be either a non-violent or violent “correction”.

     

    ...followed by arbitrary depiction of two distinct groups known as elite whites and non-elite whites. Suggests someone doesn't understand that rational people value children, food and stability over pleasing social nanny. Raises question, which group populates Denmark?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/anti-immigrant-party-gains-in-denmark-elections/

    Answer: Neither. Both. There are not two distinct groups. There is a continuum.
  66. @NAbler
    We already know what's enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they're God's Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That's the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don't need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they're smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve's ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they're entitled.

    I've always found it odd because Steve seems like a sharp guy but he doesn't seem able to put 2 and 2 together. You can't talk about how low-IQ makes people lash out in ignorant violence and still think you can preach the gospel of Charles Murray without turning people into Nazis.

    Thanks for saying well what is very true.

    So many times on this website I see people go on an on about IQs and how the higher average IQs of whites and asians make them better citizens etc. I’ve always thought those who go on about their IQs aren’t dumb, but also are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. They don’t come from the same place as the crazy ass wipe who shot up the church but share his ideology. It’s wrong and dangerous.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    Nonsense. The IQ 'debate' happens because NAMs constantly whinge about their inability to advance in line with their expectations.

    The shooter and his ilk do not read sites like this. He wouldn't understand it. We do not even know if he thought the victims his intellectual inferiors. He was mad and bad but if you want to find something that will drive the weak-brained even crazier: how about the anti-white race baiting indulged in by the political and media elites in the face of a different reality that this twisted young man likely knew?
  67. “One of the odd things about this story is how the MSM will handle it…

    After all, for the last couple of years, especially the last few months, there’s been absolutely endless coverage about numerous cases of black thugs whose stupid criminal behavior or attacks on police officers or others get them killed. So with such oceans of ink having been spent on those hihg-profile quasi-hoaxes, it will be difficult for the MSM to figure out how to appropriately raise the volume on the biggest honest-to-goodness massacre of innocent blacks in maybe 100 years.”

    Whites massacring innocent law abiding Blacks is so rare that they do not even occur once every 4 years like The FIFA World Cup and The Olympics. More like once in a lifetime. When Whites commit mass shootings, they usually set out to kill other innocent law abiding White people like in Tucson, the Amish school shooting, Columbine, and Sandy Hook for example. Crazy White male violent psychopath mass shooters on average hate their own fellow Whites more than they hate Blacks.

  68. @pyrrhus
    Indeed, murders have declined 50% in the last 25 years....and contrary to the narrative, mass attacks have also declined substantially.....Interesting that the biggest mass murderers, e.g. John Wayne Gacy and H.H.Holmes, didn't use firearms.

    You mean among whites, correct?

    Last month Baltimore, for example, just experienced one of the worst homicide rates for May in its history. And NY has been experiencing about a 10% increase in violent crime since DeBlasio took office based in no small part to the cancellation of such policies as stop and frisk.

    Oh, but of course everyday run of the mill homicides down those urban mean streets aren’t what we’re talking about.

    Because that kind of crime hasn’t exactly leveled off or been greatly reduced. Might actually be on the uptick, in some urban centers.

    It is a paradox. On one hand, this is what the MSM greatly desires: To at long last have a great white racist serial killer. On the other hand, they have to sacrifice tons of victims to get their wish.

  69. @Ron Unz
    Actually, isn't this the biggest American massacre of blacks in almost 100 years? I'm pretty sure nothing like this ever happened during the 1960s and I think you'd need to go back to the 1920s or 1930s for anything comparable or larger. Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.

    My own guess is that it might be directly related to the breakdown of total MSM control over information in our society...

    Four is obviously smaller than nine, but the 16th Street Church bombing in 1963 was a notable multiple murder (not sure what the minimum number for a massacre would be). There were also the 1963 Mississippi murders, but of course two of the three victims there were white.

  70. @Whiskey
    Whatever did happen with One Goh? Will Roof get the same 'oh he's hot' reception women gave James Holmes?

    From my straight male perspective, Holmes was one of the ugliest/creepiest men of all time. Do you really have any source for this, or is this just another Whiskey fantasy? There were some crazy women who came forward for Tsarnaev, I admit, but for Holmes?

  71. @Ron Unz
    One of the odd things about this story is how the MSM will handle it...

    After all, for the last couple of years, especially the last few months, there's been absolutely endless coverage about numerous cases of black thugs whose stupid criminal behavior or attacks on police officers or others get them killed. So with such oceans of ink having been spent on those hihg-profile quasi-hoaxes, it will be difficult for the MSM to figure out how to appropriately raise the volume on the biggest honest-to-goodness massacre of innocent blacks in maybe 100 years.

    [I've noticed what seems to an increase in sock-puppetry here, namely using multiple different names to give the impression one's views are more widespread than they actually are. If this trend continues, I may need to add a bit of code to reduce it.]

    stupid behavior shouldn’t cause a man to be shot in the back by a cop. nor should stealing. nor should a lot of the smaller crimes which caused cops to get pissed and shoot a civilian.

    what caused the killing of them were institutionalized bad police enforcement.

    MSM isn’t a person, it’s a force that responds to what is of interest to it’s consumers. The volume will be raised as high as the general demand of it should be. And that will be appropriate.

    • Replies: @Pure and Easy
    No reason to get bent out of shape or jump to conclusions about the motives of people posting. No sock puppetry. Just using the name as part of the response to Ron Unz's post. Wasn't trying to create an illusion that multiple people have been posting.
  72. Art says:

    The problem is not racism or guns – it is psychotic drugs and the media – prescribed psychotic drugs have been part of all these mass killings by boys – these drugs screw up some young people’s brains – end of story.

    The media will NOT cover the story because of advertizing money. Congress will do nothing because of political money. America is screwed.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The problem is not racism or guns – it is psychotic drugs and the media
     
    That's redundant.
  73. @Hal
    One, hate-filled shooter provides source material for facts, fantasies, exaggerations, agenda taking points and more for tens to hundreds of thousands of hate-filled, anti-white racists.

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare. As many black-on-white murders have occurred weekly for at least the past decade.

    The megaphonic reaction will not be statistically insignificant. Renewed (white) witch hunts will put more incompetent negroes into government jobs, forcing more whites out, reducing the value of social services, and driving more white, borderline middle class families into borderline poverty.

    As economists like to say, there will be a market correction. Corrections are neither pretty nor tidy, but they are correct.

    Just as bin Laden wanted to ruin our empire but needed our overreaction to do the actual damage, so then Roof wanted to start a race war. Only the megaphonistas can do this, and they seem to be doing their worst.

    They will continue until corrected.

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare

    Really, how many were there last year?

    • Replies: @josh
    You won't like the site, but here is a non-exhaustive list of 348 from 2014 each linked to a news article. So there were at least that many, probably significantly more.
    , @syonredux

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare

    Really, how many were there last year?
     
    American homicides are very much intra-racial in nature:

    The 2013 FBI Uniform Crime Report, a compilation of annual crime statistics, also shows similar data: 83 percent of white victims were killed by white offenders; 90 percent of black victims were killed by black offenders; 14 percent of white victims were killed by black offenders; and 7.6 percent of black victims were killed by white offenders.
     
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/11/25/giulianis-claim-that-93-percent-of-blacks-are-killed-by-other-blacks/


    90% of Black Murder victims were killed by other Blacks

    83% of White Murder victims were killed by other Whites

    7.6 % of Black Murder victims were killed by Whites

    14% of White Murder victims were killed by Blacks
    , @syonredux
    According to the FBI SHR data, in 2011 there were 6,309 black homicide victims in the United States.


    The homicide rate among black victims in the United States was 17.51 per 100,000. For that year, the overall national homicide rate was 4.44 per 100,000.

    For whites, the national homicide rate was 2.64 per 100,000.

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide14.pdf
    , @syonredux
    It's always interesting to see how Black murder rates look in other countries:

    England and Wales:

    Of the 1,715 homicides recorded by police in the three-year period ending March 2013:

    Over three-quarters (77%) of victims were White (1,317 offences), compared with 86% of the population of England and Wales from 2011 Census2 results,

    Around one in ten (11%) were Black (186), compared with 3% of the population,

    Black males, at a homicide rate of 55 offences per million population, are over four times more likely to be a victim of homicide than White males (12 offences per million population). The differential is less pronounced for female victims; yet Black females were around twice as likely to be a victim of homicide than White female victims (13 million offences per population compared with 6 million offences per population).

     

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/focus-on-violent-crime-and-sexual-offences--2012-13/rpt---chapter-2---homicide.html?format=print

    In 2009-10 Blacks were 2.7% of the population aged 10 or above in England and Wales. They were 13.7% of the prison population. They received 6% of sentences for burglary, 9% of sentences for violence against persons, 16% of sentences for drug offences, 19% of sentences for robbery, and 22% of sentences for fraud and forgery. Crimes committed by Blacks were more severe as shown by longer sentence lengths.[33]
    Almost twice as many black people were in 2003 in prison as at university, according to a report by the Commission for Racial Equality.[34]
    In London, 12% of the population was Black in 2010. In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics regarding those the police took action against for a range of crimes in London in 2009-10. For street crimes including muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property 54% of the offenders were Black. For robbery 59%. For gun crimes 67%. For sexual offences 32%. Black women were responsible for a disproportionate amount of the violent crimes committed by women.[35]
     
  74. Never forget Thornton.

    • Replies: @Kylie

    Never forget Thornton.
     
    Cookie or Omar?
  75. Adam Lanza 2.0

  76. @Ron Unz
    Actually, isn't this the biggest American massacre of blacks in almost 100 years? I'm pretty sure nothing like this ever happened during the 1960s and I think you'd need to go back to the 1920s or 1930s for anything comparable or larger. Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.

    My own guess is that it might be directly related to the breakdown of total MSM control over information in our society...

    Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.

    Really? A dozen or two dozen massacres? I mean, not to challenge a man with a 200 IQ, but Mr. Unz, feel free to list them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Actually, it's a 214 IQ, which is about a standard deviation higher than 200:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz#Politics
    , @Hippopotamusdrome

    feel free to list them
     
    Ill get the ball rolling.

    Wichita Massacre

    Omar Thornton: I Killed the Five Racists (9 killed)

    Navy shooter complained of 'white racism' (12 killed)
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Ye Olden Times Theatre Shooting:

    The evening times. Washington, D.C. April 1, 1901
    Negro Empties Pistol into Theatre Crowd [1 killed]
    , @Hippopotamusdrome

    Really? A dozen or two dozen massacres? I mean, not to challenge a man with a 200 IQ, but Mr. Unz, feel free to list them.
     
    A pretty thorough and complete catalog here:

    Black Male Massacres - White Victims
  77. @Ron Unz
    One of the odd things about this story is how the MSM will handle it...

    After all, for the last couple of years, especially the last few months, there's been absolutely endless coverage about numerous cases of black thugs whose stupid criminal behavior or attacks on police officers or others get them killed. So with such oceans of ink having been spent on those hihg-profile quasi-hoaxes, it will be difficult for the MSM to figure out how to appropriately raise the volume on the biggest honest-to-goodness massacre of innocent blacks in maybe 100 years.

    It will be interesting to see how they maximise the potential of this killing. From the race hustlers’ point of view, it would have been better if it had happened after a long lull in interracial violence, or at least a period where such violence got no media attention. The Black Lives Matter meme has already hit saturation level, so there’s nowhere to go from here. I suspect they’ll pursue the hate speech or gun control angles.

    • Replies: @Nathan Wartooth
    Two angles here.

    The first is more restrictive gun laws, which Obama has already been talking about since the second this happened.

    The second is trying to get "hate speech" as not protected speech in the US. They will try to pin some website, probably 4chan, on indoctrinating him to kill. Then they will say that we need to shut down these websites to stop more murders.

    Then Steve will have to make his living posting about golf, because race will be illegal to discuss.
  78. @NAbler
    We already know what's enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they're God's Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That's the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don't need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they're smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve's ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they're entitled.

    I've always found it odd because Steve seems like a sharp guy but he doesn't seem able to put 2 and 2 together. You can't talk about how low-IQ makes people lash out in ignorant violence and still think you can preach the gospel of Charles Murray without turning people into Nazis.

    We already know what’s enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they’re God’s Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That’s the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don’t need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they’re smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve’s ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they’re entitled.

    Correction, big Ron, there seems another guy with a 200 IQ here, that makes three of us.

    • Replies: @Wyrd
    Hey, Truthiness, if you were employed at a liquor distributor and caught stealing, would you cry "racism!" while going on a shooting spree after being offered the opportunity to resign or be fired as Omar Thornton did?
  79. @Peter Meyer
    Roof ought to consider a "white rage" defense

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_Rail_Road_massacre#.22Black_rage.22_defense

    Roof ought to consider a “white rage” defense

    Uh, he received a 315 year sentence, Racehorse Haynes.

  80. @Jefferson
    The White South Carolina shooter lived in a suburb of Charleston that is predominantly Black. I wonder if he was violently bullied a lot growing up in a predominantly Black suburb and that is what drove him to hate Blacks.

    The White South Carolina shooter lived in a suburb of Charleston that is predominantly Black. I wonder if he was violently bullied a lot growing up in a predominantly Black suburb and that is what drove him to hate Blacks.

    It appears that this mass murderer was a slight white dude who grew up in a multiracial town. Why would a small white dude ever have a reason to resent black folk? Remember, racial violece is solely a function of white supremecy.

    Texas school tower rifleman deserves his own category. He had a brain tumor that drastically altered his personality.

    Are we making excuses for (alleged) felons who bear some, superficial resemblance to us, again?

    Man, white people sure seem to do that a lot.

    • Replies: @just saying
    From what I read, his uncle said he'd push the button if this kid gets the death penalty.

    Never said that he was a good kid who never got into no trouble, or that he was just a "gentle giant" or anything.

    What can explain this?

    , @josh
    I see where you are coming from (and presumably you are also making a sly joke since, obviously, black people do the same. There was a funny Chapel show sketch about this). But isn't it natural when somebody does something so far removed from our experience to speculate what could have led a person to such a decision. Sure, people tend to create narratives that fit their own biases about race, or society, or drugs, or handguns, or the media and video games, but it's only natural that people will give the matter some thought. It's not the same as making excuses.
  81. @Harry Baldwin
    Christopher Thomas, an African American, was convicted in the 1984 murder of 10 Hispanics in New York City in what was dubbed the Palm Sunday Massacre.

    https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/palm-sunday-massacre-7151984-christopher-thomas-convicted-and-sentenced-to-25-50-years-in-prison-parole-hearing-coming-up-in-february/

    Christopher Thomas, an African American, was convicted in the 1984 murder of 10 Hispanics in New York City in what was dubbed the Palm Sunday Massacre.

    1984 huh? Good year, Regan was president; American Motors still made cars.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Truth says:

    @Harry Baldwin

    ""Christopher Thomas, an African American, was convicted in the 1984 murder of 10 Hispanics in New York City in what was dubbed the Palm Sunday Massacre.""

    1984 huh? Good year, Regan was president; American Motors still made cars."

    Yeah, 1984 was a long time ago.

    But the one thing that remains a constant in America, year-in and year-out..............

    .............is that blacks commit over half of all the murders in the country.

    It's nice that there are some things that one can depend on in these uncertain times.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    1984 huh? Good year, Regan was president

    Eisenhower was president in 1955 when Emmett Till was murdered and we still hear about that a lot. I'll bet you never heard of Christopher Thomas. This type of crime is quickly forgotten.

    Also, when Unz pointed out that the Roof's murders may have been the biggest white-on-black massacre in a century, he established a 100-year time frame, so 31 years ago is not too distant.
  82. @Harry Baldwin
    those two depraved boys apparently gorged on that scene in Basketball Diaries where Leonardo DiCaprio comes to class to shoot it up

    Basketball Diaries was 1995, but Julie Brown's "The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" was released in 1984.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG3yGdQYwqg

    Very interesting. actually felt like a teaching moment, or minutes. would have never known of it. To me it feels nightmarish, and I guess it was more like cotton candy when it came out. It makes me think of no one so much as David Lynch, meta-irony masked as surrealism, opposite emotions jam-packed together. Not that I enjoy any of his stuff much, but he did seem keyed into the zeitgeist in a more original way than anyone else in the 80s.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Pat, I recall when the Julie Brown song came out. It seemed hilarious. Definitely NOT FUNNY any more since the spate of school shootings.

    Julie had a string of great novelty songs, a short-lived MTV show, and a movie, Earth Girls Are Easy.
  83. Can’t wait to see Roof’s face on the cover of Rolling Stone.

  84. @Rob McX
    It will be interesting to see how they maximise the potential of this killing. From the race hustlers' point of view, it would have been better if it had happened after a long lull in interracial violence, or at least a period where such violence got no media attention. The Black Lives Matter meme has already hit saturation level, so there's nowhere to go from here. I suspect they'll pursue the hate speech or gun control angles.

    Two angles here.

    The first is more restrictive gun laws, which Obama has already been talking about since the second this happened.

    The second is trying to get “hate speech” as not protected speech in the US. They will try to pin some website, probably 4chan, on indoctrinating him to kill. Then they will say that we need to shut down these websites to stop more murders.

    Then Steve will have to make his living posting about golf, because race will be illegal to discuss.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    The hate crime thing is already being road tested in Montana.
  85. • Replies: @Lugash
    From the Nuland article:

    A fluent speaker of French and Russian, she has been known to attribute her penchant for cursing to the months she spent learning Russian on a Soviet fishing trawler in her 20s.

    During the Cold War "Russian fishing trawlers" was a term for spy ships that operated off of the coasts. It's doubtful she would have gotten onto one, but this is a weird way for a young woman to learn Russian. Her early career at the State Department is rather fuzzy as well.
  86. @NAbler
    We already know what's enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they're God's Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That's the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don't need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they're smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve's ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they're entitled.

    I've always found it odd because Steve seems like a sharp guy but he doesn't seem able to put 2 and 2 together. You can't talk about how low-IQ makes people lash out in ignorant violence and still think you can preach the gospel of Charles Murray without turning people into Nazis.

    America has descended so far into self parody (life imitating The Onion) that I can’t tell anymore whether you’re joking or not. I hope that you are joking.

    Look at this graph and (unless your own IQ is below 75) you’ll understand why the average white person doesn’t have to worry about fighting with blacks for 2nd place:

    http://libertarianrealist.blogspot.com/2012/05/iq-distributions.html

  87. As Ramz Paul put it, those victims were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Shows you how callous that common formulation when the races are reversed.

    Anyway, this guy was an asshole and nutter. The end.

  88. @NAbler
    We already know what's enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they're God's Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That's the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don't need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they're smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve's ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they're entitled.

    I've always found it odd because Steve seems like a sharp guy but he doesn't seem able to put 2 and 2 together. You can't talk about how low-IQ makes people lash out in ignorant violence and still think you can preach the gospel of Charles Murray without turning people into Nazis.

    I doubt this wacko would have been able to follow ‘ramblings about Galton or whatever’.

    Sigh. I live in Colorado. I remember Columbine. Next up in this ritual is the blame game. Don’t blame the individuals – it’s the video games, the antidepressants, Marilyn Manson. And now blogs apparently.

  89. @Ron Unz
    Actually, isn't this the biggest American massacre of blacks in almost 100 years? I'm pretty sure nothing like this ever happened during the 1960s and I think you'd need to go back to the 1920s or 1930s for anything comparable or larger. Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.

    My own guess is that it might be directly related to the breakdown of total MSM control over information in our society...

    isn’t this the biggest American massacre of blacks in almost 100 years

    Could be an artifact of blacks inaccuracy resulting in low fatality to wounding ratios. Also, EMT’s have lots of experience from the constant shootings.

    Not for a want of trying:

    Funeral Home Shooting Kills Two People, Injures At Least 12

    13 injured in drive-by shooting outside DC apartment building

    Drive-by shooting in Washington, D.C. leaves three dead, six wounded

    • Replies: @Truth
    So your answer is "yes, this is the biggest American of blacks in almost 100 years"?
  90. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @NAbler
    We already know what's enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they're God's Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That's the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don't need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they're smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve's ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they're entitled.

    I've always found it odd because Steve seems like a sharp guy but he doesn't seem able to put 2 and 2 together. You can't talk about how low-IQ makes people lash out in ignorant violence and still think you can preach the gospel of Charles Murray without turning people into Nazis.

    Yes. There is a large cohort of whites who are low Iq and who will be less likely to be violent than blacks but more prone to violence than high Iq whites.

    Taking whites as a whole and averaging the Iq out is not a good way to represent all white people. Low Iq whites are closer to Mexicans in behavior than high Iq whites.

  91. @Nathan Wartooth
    Two angles here.

    The first is more restrictive gun laws, which Obama has already been talking about since the second this happened.

    The second is trying to get "hate speech" as not protected speech in the US. They will try to pin some website, probably 4chan, on indoctrinating him to kill. Then they will say that we need to shut down these websites to stop more murders.

    Then Steve will have to make his living posting about golf, because race will be illegal to discuss.

    The hate crime thing is already being road tested in Montana.

  92. @Svigor
    SPMoore: why not put the problem in perspective, first?

    Bee stings are in contention every year to kill more people than gun-toting mass murderers.

    Heard NPR on this today, and they were emphatic that this was "terrorism." And racist white supremacist hate crime. Someone should point out to them that when the PotUS refuses to call Nidal Hassan or Omar Thornton "terrorists," it sort of looks funny if he makes a big deal out of the "terrorism" when the perp's a white guy. That it's a bit odd to do a lot of speculating about ties to "white supremacy," when they refuse to make much of Hassan's ties to Al-Qaeda. Et cetera.

    In an amazing coincidence the New York Times published an op-ed the day before the shootings about the rise of right-wing terrorism in America. When I read it I thought “So this is the new thing: white terrorists”. I’m sure the writers could not believe their luck when this actually happened the very next day. It’s not really new though. Timothy McVeigh and Ted Kaczynski were both called terrorists.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

  93. White Gunman Kills 9

    He’s white, slightly built and in his early 20s

    The suspect … is a white male about 21 years old

    A white man opened fire

    a 21-year-old white man from Lexington

    The 21-year-old white man suspected of having gunned down nine people

    shot to death … by a 21-year-old white man

    white male, aged between 21 and 25

    The suspect, a white male in his early 20s

  94. @Harry Baldwin
    No, I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He wanted to do the most appalling thing imaginable and what occurred to him was to murder innocent blacks at a bible study class in a historically significant black church. He probably knew that this would get the attention of the president and occupy the media for a week or more. Killing some black criminals, Death Wish style, would not have had the same impact.

    Adam Lanza killed the schoolchildren in Sandy Hook, CT, because he, too, wanted to do the most appalling thing imaginable so that he would be talked about and remembered.

    He probably knew that this would get the attention of the president and occupy the media for a week or more.

    Unfortunately it took attention off the House long enough for the traitorous elite to sneak through their trade bill. Nine innocent people dying is bad. But millions of Americans are going to be adversely affected by this trade deal.

  95. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:

    Other than the killer himself, the journalists shoulder the next highest percentage of blame, no question about that.

    Mainly, they preach that any thoughts or beliefs which deviate from the official Narrative, are just as dangerous and evil as cross-burnings, racial lynchings, murder and genocide. As Steve says, the war on noticing is currently in blitzkrieg mode.

    For individuals with slightly less cognitive capability or grasp of reality, any deviant observations which cannot be cleansed make the person feel as if they have already committed a murder. In for a dime, in for a dollar and all that. From a psychological standpoint, he’s already doing the “time” (societal shaming) so he may as well do the crime. He may, in fact, feel compelled to do so to create a world that makes sense to his aching mind.

    Thoughts and beliefs are not actions. Mean thoughts are not murders or crimes. This is vitally important. People who have “intrusive thoughts” find it quite a comfort to find out that 99% of others with intrusive thoughts do not act on them. It’s just a thought. Who cares? Actions and thoughts are different, but a world that preaches the opposite is literally driving marginally sane people into madness.

  96. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Haven’t been following this, but maybe it is the drugs: “Big list of drug-induced killers: Charleston church shooter may be just the latest”, WND, Leo Hohmann:

    “…Charleston church shooter Dylann Roof was a known drug user who was caught with the powerful mind-altering narcotic Suboxone when apprehended by police during an incident on Feb. 28.

    Suboxone is used to treat addiction to opioid drugs such as heroin. It’s adverse effects include anxiety, irritability, depersonalization, confusion, suicidal thoughts and irrational, sometimes violent behavior.

    Other drugs linked to mass killers have more often been geared toward treating mental illness. According to a data set of U.S. mass shootings from 1982-2012 prepared by Mother Jones magazine, of 62 mass shootings carried out by 64 shooters, the majority of the shooters (41) were noted to have signs of possible mental illness — the precise kinds of mental illnesses that psychotropic medications are prescribed for.”

  97. @Hippopotamusdrome

    isn’t this the biggest American massacre of blacks in almost 100 years
     
    Could be an artifact of blacks inaccuracy resulting in low fatality to wounding ratios. Also, EMT's have lots of experience from the constant shootings.

    Not for a want of trying:

    Funeral Home Shooting Kills Two People, Injures At Least 12

    13 injured in drive-by shooting outside DC apartment building

    Drive-by shooting in Washington, D.C. leaves three dead, six wounded

    So your answer is “yes, this is the biggest American of blacks in almost 100 years”?

  98. Haven’t been following this, but maybe it is the drugs: “Big list of drug-induced killers: Charleston church shooter may be just the latest”, WND, Leo Hohmann:

    Please see post #77.

  99. @Truth


    We already know what’s enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they’re God’s Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That’s the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don’t need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they’re smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve’s ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they’re entitled.
     
    Correction, big Ron, there seems another guy with a 200 IQ here, that makes three of us.

    Hey, Truthiness, if you were employed at a liquor distributor and caught stealing, would you cry “racism!” while going on a shooting spree after being offered the opportunity to resign or be fired as Omar Thornton did?

    • Replies: @Truth
    Of course! Wouldn't everyone?
  100. @Hepp
    OT, an old iSteve favorite, Victoria Nuland

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/06/18/the-undiplomatic-diplomat/?utm_content=buffere407c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    From the Nuland article:

    A fluent speaker of French and Russian, she has been known to attribute her penchant for cursing to the months she spent learning Russian on a Soviet fishing trawler in her 20s.

    During the Cold War “Russian fishing trawlers” was a term for spy ships that operated off of the coasts. It’s doubtful she would have gotten onto one, but this is a weird way for a young woman to learn Russian. Her early career at the State Department is rather fuzzy as well.

  101. @Art
    The problem is not racism or guns – it is psychotic drugs and the media – prescribed psychotic drugs have been part of all these mass killings by boys – these drugs screw up some young people’s brains – end of story.

    The media will NOT cover the story because of advertizing money. Congress will do nothing because of political money. America is screwed.

    The problem is not racism or guns – it is psychotic drugs and the media

    That’s redundant.

  102. “Dylann” looks like a girl’s name. Hmmm…

  103. @Anonymous
    Don't forget this guy grew up in a toxic environment. South Carolina still flies the confederate flag for Pete's sake. How fitting a racist terrorist would unleash his evil in a white supremacist state.

    I hope our government does the right thing, however unlikely, and significantly curtails gun ownership and bans white supremacist symbols, practices and ideology

    You’re too funny!

  104. The first picuture I saw online of this miscreant showed him in orange jail garb, so he has done some time in jail. What could have happend in a jail that might have pre-disposed him against black people? Nothing, I’m sure.

    Not that it excuses his crimes. And if he wanted to get back at black felons, he could have shot some no-good gang-bangers, rather than innocent, peaceable church-going folk who never harmed anyone. But since the press dug into Omar Thornton’s motivations as possible explanations, why don’t they do the same with this murderer?

    By the way, I hope he swings. And good riddance to bad trash.

    • Replies: @Truth

    What could have happend in a jail that might have pre-disposed him against black people? Nothing, I’m sure.
     
    Grasshopper, all you ever do around here is take the side of your white Dindu Nuffins criminal brothers, and excuse their behavior.
    , @ben tillman

    And if he wanted to get back at black felons, he could have shot some no-good gang-bangers, rather than innocent, peaceable church-going folk who never harmed anyone.
     
    Here's a website I bookmarked a while back but never visited again until now:

    http://charlestonthuglife.net/
  105. @Truth

    Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.
     
    Really? A dozen or two dozen massacres? I mean, not to challenge a man with a 200 IQ, but Mr. Unz, feel free to list them.

    Actually, it’s a 214 IQ, which is about a standard deviation higher than 200:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz#Politics

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Assuming the test uses a standard distribution of 16, and the distribution is around 100 (which is an overestimate even in western countries and certainly in the world as a whole), an IQ of 214 would put Ron Unz in the 0.999999999999475th percentile for IQ, which means that approximately 1 out of 2 trillion humans would have an IQ as high as Ron Unz's. Since IQ is defined based on percentile according to a normal distribution, it is actually not possible for anyone to have an IQ as high as Ron Unz's. If Ron Unz were not graciously allowing me to use his website, I'd say he was full of shit. Instead, I'll make a note that the birth of Ron Unz was a speciation event.
    , @Truth
    "Actually, it’s a 214 IQ, which is about a standard deviation higher than 200:"

    That's right, I keep forgetting, he's got my by 9 points; bastard!
  106. WGG says:

    Steve is getting trolled by the new priest class apparently.

    Infiltrators: your accusations are outright lies. To say that discussion of IQ by demographic is “dangerous” or leads to murder is so ludicrous, but more it is also cynical in the extreme.

    So, let me get this straight: HBD movement, racialists, racists, observational ombudsmen, noticers, et. al are preaching dangerous ideas which lead to violence even though all these groups explicitly renounce violence?

    Yet communists, anti-racists, feminists, earth-worshippers, black supremacists, Zionists, Malthusians et. al can openly preach violence but shall forever remain blameless? Discovery Network shootings, Focus on the Family, New York cop executions are just a few recent examples inspired by the left.

    Disgusting double standard, and a pathetic loser’s way to try and “win” an argument.

    Ideas don’t kill people, crazy people do. And you trolls and SJWs are feeding the insanity. Twitter, Tumbler, Salon, and the national network news has coalesced into the biggest angry mob in history, which has been waving their torches nonstop since Trayvon Martin. You have all the lovely qualities which historically surround an angry mob, you should be proud. The people you are demonizing have plenty grievances of their own to nurse, so by all means, keep poking the bear. You idiots have no idea what you are doing.

  107. @Truth

    Christopher Thomas, an African American, was convicted in the 1984 murder of 10 Hispanics in New York City in what was dubbed the Palm Sunday Massacre.
     
    1984 huh? Good year, Regan was president; American Motors still made cars.

    “Truth says:

    “”Christopher Thomas, an African American, was convicted in the 1984 murder of 10 Hispanics in New York City in what was dubbed the Palm Sunday Massacre.””

    1984 huh? Good year, Regan was president; American Motors still made cars.”

    Yeah, 1984 was a long time ago.

    But the one thing that remains a constant in America, year-in and year-out…………..

    ………….is that blacks commit over half of all the murders in the country.

    It’s nice that there are some things that one can depend on in these uncertain times.

  108. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @NAbler
    We already know what's enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they're God's Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That's the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don't need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they're smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve's ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they're entitled.

    I've always found it odd because Steve seems like a sharp guy but he doesn't seem able to put 2 and 2 together. You can't talk about how low-IQ makes people lash out in ignorant violence and still think you can preach the gospel of Charles Murray without turning people into Nazis.

    I must disagree with this here:

    “That’s the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don’t need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they’re smarter than both of them.”

    The lowest I ever scored on a regular proctored IQ test was 145, so I am not particularly stupid. At that level I did want to think about a philosophical issue, along the lines of “since in real life Christlike altruism is incorrect policy, how is it that my selfishness is not fully erect in all areas? How can I accept that Andaman Islanders as a group, because of stupidity and bad history usw. have a group self-interest inherently more deserving than the self-interest of us beautiful aboriginal American peckerwoods?…Screw that… ” And we are off to the races.

    Based on the other lovely suitable similar persons I have met, white racism (and general unreasonable vicious egotism) seem to be well-correlated with not-particularly-stupid. A lot of them do practice operational discretion and avoid unnecessary annoyance by keeping their mouths shut and heads down until MisterNewFriend is known, valued and recognized.

  109. @Anonymous
    Actually, it's a 214 IQ, which is about a standard deviation higher than 200:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz#Politics

    Assuming the test uses a standard distribution of 16, and the distribution is around 100 (which is an overestimate even in western countries and certainly in the world as a whole), an IQ of 214 would put Ron Unz in the 0.999999999999475th percentile for IQ, which means that approximately 1 out of 2 trillion humans would have an IQ as high as Ron Unz’s. Since IQ is defined based on percentile according to a normal distribution, it is actually not possible for anyone to have an IQ as high as Ron Unz’s. If Ron Unz were not graciously allowing me to use his website, I’d say he was full of shit. Instead, I’ll make a note that the birth of Ron Unz was a speciation event.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    The smartest (well, highest-IQ) man in the world should therefore have an IQ of ~201. If we redefine IQ to include everyone who has ever lived in its distribution, the highest-IQ man who has ever lived would have an IQ of ~208. These are overestimates, since the worldwide average IQ, such as currently-existing tests measure it, is substantially less than 100.
    , @IanM
    Maybe the answer is that intelligence doesn't follow a true Gaussian distribution, but one with a fat tail (no pun intended). I'm not betting high on this, 'cause I'm a mere 145 IQ guy and I'm using an analogy with financial processes. I don't know enough Genetics to assess if this is possible. For instance, additive effects could make very high IQs more probable.
  110. @Wyrd
    Hey, Truthiness, if you were employed at a liquor distributor and caught stealing, would you cry "racism!" while going on a shooting spree after being offered the opportunity to resign or be fired as Omar Thornton did?

    Of course! Wouldn’t everyone?

    • Replies: @Wyrd
    Of course! Wouldn’t everyone?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY2kJ96jNY
  111. @snorlax
    Assuming the test uses a standard distribution of 16, and the distribution is around 100 (which is an overestimate even in western countries and certainly in the world as a whole), an IQ of 214 would put Ron Unz in the 0.999999999999475th percentile for IQ, which means that approximately 1 out of 2 trillion humans would have an IQ as high as Ron Unz's. Since IQ is defined based on percentile according to a normal distribution, it is actually not possible for anyone to have an IQ as high as Ron Unz's. If Ron Unz were not graciously allowing me to use his website, I'd say he was full of shit. Instead, I'll make a note that the birth of Ron Unz was a speciation event.

    The smartest (well, highest-IQ) man in the world should therefore have an IQ of ~201. If we redefine IQ to include everyone who has ever lived in its distribution, the highest-IQ man who has ever lived would have an IQ of ~208. These are overestimates, since the worldwide average IQ, such as currently-existing tests measure it, is substantially less than 100.

  112. @Anonymous
    Actually, it's a 214 IQ, which is about a standard deviation higher than 200:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz#Politics

    “Actually, it’s a 214 IQ, which is about a standard deviation higher than 200:”

    That’s right, I keep forgetting, he’s got my by 9 points; bastard!

  113. I’m actually surprised the reaction has not been greater.

    I think we have just been desensitized to violence in this country.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    With respect to the reaction, I talked about this earlier with my reply to the guy talking about NPR above, but now that I think about it it might also simply be a "boy who cried wolf" phenomenon; the media had been relentlessly pushing the whole St. Trayvon-Black Lives Matter stuff for so long that people, even the media themselves, had grown desensitized to what they were claiming happened all the time actually occurring in real life. Of course all things are relative, 2 days later and it's still 90% of my Facebook timeline. (Sample quote from one the most "liked" post: "This is what real terrorism looks like").

    (I was sorely tempted to reply with "YEAH MAN, FIRE CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS!" but was dissuaded by the thought of becoming a permanently unemployable social pariah).
  114. he’s a victim of narrow male face syndrome. no doubt his unfortunate facial structure served as a boot pressed against the top of his head his entire life, so it isn’t particularly surprising he lashed out like this.

  115. @Truth

    Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.
     
    Really? A dozen or two dozen massacres? I mean, not to challenge a man with a 200 IQ, but Mr. Unz, feel free to list them.

    feel free to list them

    Ill get the ball rolling.

    Wichita Massacre

    Omar Thornton: I Killed the Five Racists (9 killed)

    Navy shooter complained of ‘white racism’ (12 killed)

    • Replies: @Truth
    Wichita Massacre: "Only" killed 5 (and a dog) does this qualify as a massacre? What is the massacre minimum?

    Omar Thornton: Some of his best friends; (his wife) were white, sorry, just coincidence that all of his victims were white. COULDN'T have been a racist!(?) Must have just been on drugs or picked on at work.


    Navy Shooter; Kenneth Bernard Proctor, Sylvia Frazier, Arthur Daniels; all BLACK! Sorry, not a racist.

    http://murderpedia.org/male.A/a/alexis-aaron-victims.htm
    , @Harry Baldwin
    The 2009 murder in Lakewood, Washington, of four police officers should be on the list.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakewood,_Washington_police_officer_shooting
  116. “he’s a victim of narrow male face syndrome. no doubt his unfortunate facial structure served as a boot pressed against the top of his head his entire life, so it isn’t particularly surprising he lashed out like this.”

    See post #77.

  117. @Anonymous
    I'm actually surprised the reaction has not been greater.

    I think we have just been desensitized to violence in this country.

    With respect to the reaction, I talked about this earlier with my reply to the guy talking about NPR above, but now that I think about it it might also simply be a “boy who cried wolf” phenomenon; the media had been relentlessly pushing the whole St. Trayvon-Black Lives Matter stuff for so long that people, even the media themselves, had grown desensitized to what they were claiming happened all the time actually occurring in real life. Of course all things are relative, 2 days later and it’s still 90% of my Facebook timeline. (Sample quote from one the most “liked” post: “This is what real terrorism looks like”).

    (I was sorely tempted to reply with “YEAH MAN, FIRE CAN’T MELT STEEL BEAMS!” but was dissuaded by the thought of becoming a permanently unemployable social pariah).

  118. Dylan Roof has an distinctively unfashionable ‘Blackadder’ type haircut, as sported by Rowan Atkinson in the first TV series of that name.

  119. @Hippopotamusdrome

    feel free to list them
     
    Ill get the ball rolling.

    Wichita Massacre

    Omar Thornton: I Killed the Five Racists (9 killed)

    Navy shooter complained of 'white racism' (12 killed)

    Wichita Massacre: “Only” killed 5 (and a dog) does this qualify as a massacre? What is the massacre minimum?

    Omar Thornton: Some of his best friends; (his wife) were white, sorry, just coincidence that all of his victims were white. COULDN’T have been a racist!(?) Must have just been on drugs or picked on at work.

    Navy Shooter; Kenneth Bernard Proctor, Sylvia Frazier, Arthur Daniels; all BLACK! Sorry, not a racist.

    http://murderpedia.org/male.A/a/alexis-aaron-victims.htm

  120. @Truth
    Of course! Wouldn't everyone?

    Of course! Wouldn’t everyone?

  121. @Truth

    Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.
     
    Really? A dozen or two dozen massacres? I mean, not to challenge a man with a 200 IQ, but Mr. Unz, feel free to list them.

    Ye Olden Times Theatre Shooting:

    The evening times. Washington, D.C. April 1, 1901
    Negro Empties Pistol into Theatre Crowd [1 killed]

  122. @Truth

    Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.
     
    Really? A dozen or two dozen massacres? I mean, not to challenge a man with a 200 IQ, but Mr. Unz, feel free to list them.

    Really? A dozen or two dozen massacres? I mean, not to challenge a man with a 200 IQ, but Mr. Unz, feel free to list them.

    A pretty thorough and complete catalog here:

    Black Male Massacres – White Victims

    • Replies: @EriK
    Truth don't sweat those kinda details.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    The trouble with that site "Black Male Massacres – White Victims" is that it includes crimes in which only two whites were killed. It's hard to define the term massacre, but it suggests more than two. I would say four or more.

    If someone had the patience to do the research, I don't think it would be hard to come up with a dozen or more instances in which blacks killed four or more whites.
  123. For instance, nobody goes postal anymore.

    Benefit of e-mail?

  124. @NAbler
    We already know what's enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they're God's Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That's the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don't need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they're smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve's ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they're entitled.

    I've always found it odd because Steve seems like a sharp guy but he doesn't seem able to put 2 and 2 together. You can't talk about how low-IQ makes people lash out in ignorant violence and still think you can preach the gospel of Charles Murray without turning people into Nazis.

    Yeah, right. The lower half of the white bell curve is reading iSteve. Not listening to Insane Clown Posse and watching Keeping Up With The Kardashians.

    Even as a troll, you’re a failure.

  125. @Truth

    The White South Carolina shooter lived in a suburb of Charleston that is predominantly Black. I wonder if he was violently bullied a lot growing up in a predominantly Black suburb and that is what drove him to hate Blacks.
     

    It appears that this mass murderer was a slight white dude who grew up in a multiracial town. Why would a small white dude ever have a reason to resent black folk? Remember, racial violece is solely a function of white supremecy.
     


    Texas school tower rifleman deserves his own category. He had a brain tumor that drastically altered his personality.
     
    Are we making excuses for (alleged) felons who bear some, superficial resemblance to us, again?

    Man, white people sure seem to do that a lot.

    From what I read, his uncle said he’d push the button if this kid gets the death penalty.

    Never said that he was a good kid who never got into no trouble, or that he was just a “gentle giant” or anything.

    What can explain this?

    • Replies: @Truth
    Yeah "his uncle", a guy who ran a sack race against him at a family picnic every 4 years. When his mother says it, we have a story.
  126. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Does anybody remember Christopher Dorner, and “Run, Christopher, Run!”?

    Salon says that this is a good time for is mean ol’ white folks to think about our racism.

    A few years ago, when a black guy went on a rampage and killed an Asian woman and some white people…

    Was also a good time for us mean ol’ white folks to think about our racism.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/02/14/understanding_christopher_dorner_partner/

  127. @snorlax
    Assuming the test uses a standard distribution of 16, and the distribution is around 100 (which is an overestimate even in western countries and certainly in the world as a whole), an IQ of 214 would put Ron Unz in the 0.999999999999475th percentile for IQ, which means that approximately 1 out of 2 trillion humans would have an IQ as high as Ron Unz's. Since IQ is defined based on percentile according to a normal distribution, it is actually not possible for anyone to have an IQ as high as Ron Unz's. If Ron Unz were not graciously allowing me to use his website, I'd say he was full of shit. Instead, I'll make a note that the birth of Ron Unz was a speciation event.

    Maybe the answer is that intelligence doesn’t follow a true Gaussian distribution, but one with a fat tail (no pun intended). I’m not betting high on this, ’cause I’m a mere 145 IQ guy and I’m using an analogy with financial processes. I don’t know enough Genetics to assess if this is possible. For instance, additive effects could make very high IQs more probable.

  128. @Jefferson
    The White South Carolina shooter lived in a suburb of Charleston that is predominantly Black. I wonder if he was violently bullied a lot growing up in a predominantly Black suburb and that is what drove him to hate Blacks.

    To wit BBC has an interview with a black friend:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33209654

  129. @Milo Minderbinder
    There was the MOVE bombing back in 1985. Philadelphia Mayor Wilson Goode ordered a bomb dropped on the compound killing 11 blacks

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing

    There was the MOVE bombing back in 1985. Philadelphia Mayor Wilson Goode ordered a bomb dropped on the compound killing 11 blacks

    Sure, but that was a government/official massacre, which is different from what I was talking about. Also, the government official who (inadvertently) caused it to happen was himself black.

    I assume a reasonable slice of those cultists killed at Waco were probably black, but that would fall into the same governmental category. And many hundreds of Americans blacks were killed/killed themselves in the Jonestown massacre, but that happened in Guyana.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    Not to mention the fact that Jim Jones was a Communist and a close friend and ally of Leftists like Harvey Milk, etc.

    The Oklahoma City bombing is only the largest pre-9/11 mass murder of Americans in America because Jonestown did not happen in the United States.
  130. @Truth

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare
     
    Really, how many were there last year?

    You won’t like the site, but here is a non-exhaustive list of 348 from 2014 each linked to a news article. So there were at least that many, probably significantly more.

    • Replies: @Truth
    348 Josh, out of a population of +200 million?
  131. Ed says:
    @Ron Unz
    One of the odd things about this story is how the MSM will handle it...

    After all, for the last couple of years, especially the last few months, there's been absolutely endless coverage about numerous cases of black thugs whose stupid criminal behavior or attacks on police officers or others get them killed. So with such oceans of ink having been spent on those hihg-profile quasi-hoaxes, it will be difficult for the MSM to figure out how to appropriately raise the volume on the biggest honest-to-goodness massacre of innocent blacks in maybe 100 years.

    The killer’s friends have said he railed against the Trayvon Martin case and recently the Baltimore fiasco. The one sided illogical media coverage has surely upset quite a few people out there.

    If you’re a poor white, high school dropout in a multicultural community you might be left with the impression that blacks do run things. They’ll dominate social life at school through bullying and athletics. If you dare fight back you’ll be branded a racist and tossed out. When you go home and watch TV or click on news site you’ll see the media spin stories that seem detached from your reality. There are a lot of disaffected youth out here but only the non-whites ones are paid any attention.
    I suspect we’ll see more of these types of killings.

  132. josh says:
    @Truth

    The White South Carolina shooter lived in a suburb of Charleston that is predominantly Black. I wonder if he was violently bullied a lot growing up in a predominantly Black suburb and that is what drove him to hate Blacks.
     

    It appears that this mass murderer was a slight white dude who grew up in a multiracial town. Why would a small white dude ever have a reason to resent black folk? Remember, racial violece is solely a function of white supremecy.
     


    Texas school tower rifleman deserves his own category. He had a brain tumor that drastically altered his personality.
     
    Are we making excuses for (alleged) felons who bear some, superficial resemblance to us, again?

    Man, white people sure seem to do that a lot.

    I see where you are coming from (and presumably you are also making a sly joke since, obviously, black people do the same. There was a funny Chapel show sketch about this). But isn’t it natural when somebody does something so far removed from our experience to speculate what could have led a person to such a decision. Sure, people tend to create narratives that fit their own biases about race, or society, or drugs, or handguns, or the media and video games, but it’s only natural that people will give the matter some thought. It’s not the same as making excuses.

    • Replies: @Hal

    But isn’t it natural when somebody does something so far removed from our experience to speculate what could have led a person to such a decision. ..... but it’s only natural that people will give the matter some thought. It’s not the same as making excuses.
     
    Yes. The healthy response would be to examine the circumstances that set this young man adrift, such as no social support. Is he psychotic? Victim of horrendous upbringing? These are the type of questions media should be asking.

    Instead, we have the megaphone looking for ways to increase political advantage over mainstream whites.
    , @Truth
    Yes, but the point is, this young man murdered a bunch of people and the narrative is:

    "well the poor guy was on drugs"
    "well he was abused growing up"
    "well the poor dear had no one to tell him me loved him"
    "well he grew up around blacks"
    "well he served time in prison and I just KNOW he got raped!"
    "he was just cleaning his gun in the church when it went off"
    "he dindu nuffn!"

    If these excuses are valid, then I guess you know why black people use them, and if they are invalid for one, they are invalid for all. If they are valid for one, they are valid for all, or at least, that's the way smart people would view it.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2284890/Joliet-murders-Teens-3-way-sex-bodies-men-strangled.html
  133. @Maj. Kong
    The media gives much airplay to "white male serial killers", that was the norm here, until Anthony Sowell and Ariel Castro in Cleveland.

    In 1995, Clinton blamed conservative talk radio for OKC, he won re-election. In 2002, Cheney blamed Saddam for 9/11 and threatened a nuclear attack. He won re-election. In 2011, the liberals blamed Sarah Palin's map for the Giffords shooting. Obama was re-elected.

    Now they are blaming the Confederate flag and calling for gun confiscation. It's an opportune time for us to blame the Democrat/media complex for hyping up black riots and sexual prowess. It's the same standard they use to blame us.

    And now there’s a Netflix series based on the Castro hostage story.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbreakable_Kimmy_Schmidt

    But is the lead character rescued from a lone sicko of Hispanic origin?

    Of course not. She’s rescued from a religious cult run by a white guy. Played by the actor who played the prototypical white guy who got his comeupppance during the Consciousness Revolution, Don Draper.

  134. @Anonymous
    Don't forget this guy grew up in a toxic environment. South Carolina still flies the confederate flag for Pete's sake. How fitting a racist terrorist would unleash his evil in a white supremacist state.

    I hope our government does the right thing, however unlikely, and significantly curtails gun ownership and bans white supremacist symbols, practices and ideology

    You live in SC, right? So you know this? Actually, race relations here seem to be a lot better here than in the north right now. A toxic environment? Please. We’ve said no to Al Sharpton’s offer for “help” twice now. Now THAT would create a toxic environment. As for guns, maybe if someone in that church had been packing, there wouldn’t be 9 dead.

  135. @snorlax
    On a different note, the killer needs to get the death penalty. Both because killers should get the death penalty and also because the left will never, ever let anyone hear the end of it if he doesn't. I'm already reading the weeks of editorials and op-eds the Globe would crap out about poor misunderstood Tsarnaev vs. mean racist Amerikkka.

    Another reason this killer should get the death penalty is being demonstrated right now in upstate New York…escaped killers on the loose. If they had put these guys in the fry-daddy we wouldn’t have this problem right now.

  136. @24AheadDotCom
    There shouldn't be a violent "correction" and there won't be either a non-violent or violent "correction". Non-elite whites have too many mental and emotional problems to get their way about nearly anything political. In the political sphere, it's hard to think of anything non-elite whites have done that was smart and had an effect.

    Non-elite whites do things like send underwear to Congress to stop amnesty, camp in public parks to hold banks accountable, fill out worthless petitions to stop TPP, follow do-nothing leaders, turn their backs on tens of millions of their fellow Americans, and on and on and on. And, because of Dunning-Kruger, they think those things are working and turn on anyone who dares point out the truth.

    Right now, @LuisGuiterrez and friends are working to make Sanders worse on immigration than he is. If you point that out to a non-elite white they'll say all sorts of stupid things but the last thing they'd be willing to do is push back. They simply aren't capable of seeing the value in making Sanders better on immigration. And, because of that, we'll end up with yet another amnesty booster running for president.

    Comparing what elites/non-whites do to what non-elite whites do, someone would be forgiven to think they're two different species.

    There shouldn’t be a violent “correction” and there won’t be either a non-violent or violent “correction”.

    …followed by arbitrary depiction of two distinct groups known as elite whites and non-elite whites. Suggests someone doesn’t understand that rational people value children, food and stability over pleasing social nanny. Raises question, which group populates Denmark?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/anti-immigrant-party-gains-in-denmark-elections/

    Answer: Neither. Both. There are not two distinct groups. There is a continuum.

    • Replies: @24AheadDotCom
    Thank you for illustrating my point.

    In the U.S. - the only country I was referring to - there isn't that much overlap between elite whites (and their helpers/dupes/profiteers) and non-elite whites. Those aren't arbitrary distinctions either: it's not like someone who works for one of Soros' NGOs is going to side with non-elite whites on immigration. There's a very bright line between Jim Bob in his Tuscaloosa trailer getting duped by FreedomWorks, and a professional couple enjoying the low rate on their illegal alien nanny in Frisco.

    By excusing the current situation of non-elite whites doing incredibly stupid things and by holding out the false hope of something like the Danish elections in the U.S. you're *helping* the bad guys.
  137. I never thought of myself as a hater, so why do I hate every last comment from “Anonymous”?

  138. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Really? A dozen or two dozen massacres? I mean, not to challenge a man with a 200 IQ, but Mr. Unz, feel free to list them.
     
    A pretty thorough and complete catalog here:

    Black Male Massacres - White Victims

    Truth don’t sweat those kinda details.

  139. In the 1990s, Colin Ferguson, a Jamaican immigrant shot and killed six whites on a Long Island Rail Road train in an example of “black rage”.

    In Harlem, another black man burned to death 8 workers at at Freddy’s Fashion Mart, a Jewish owned store that was a target of protests led by Al Sharpton. The murderer actually first ordered the black shoppers to leave the store before he set it on fire. Most of the dead were Hispanic and Guyanese.

    The liberal establishment and economic elite of this country are simply shameless. They will not let decent Americans grieve at the latest mass murder of what it is- just another mass shooting by a crazy guy- and so they do everything they can to turn this into a racial circus show.

    Why can’t I just mourn the death of the 8 innocent people in South Carolina with my diverse friends without any of us feeling racially self-conscious?

    Looking at the posts of my Facebook page is interesting. Lots of posts from my white friends to get rid of the confederate flag, racism and such- mostly posts bashing the South. Not a single post from my black friends yet (most are African immigrants. ). They are busily posting happy graduation pictures of their kids, or are all excited about Obama’s upcoming trip to Africa. Apparently, they don’t feel threatened enough by racism to bother giving it much thought.

    I’m going to have to block my white facebook friends for a couple of weeks until the media circus about racism is over.

  140. @Pure and Easy
    [I've noticed what seems to an increase in sock-puppetry here, namely using multiple different names to give the impression one's views are more widespread than they actually are. If this trend continues, I may need to add a bit of code to reduce it.]

    stupid behavior shouldn't cause a man to be shot in the back by a cop. nor should stealing. nor should a lot of the smaller crimes which caused cops to get pissed and shoot a civilian.

    what caused the killing of them were institutionalized bad police enforcement.

    MSM isn't a person, it's a force that responds to what is of interest to it's consumers. The volume will be raised as high as the general demand of it should be. And that will be appropriate.

    No reason to get bent out of shape or jump to conclusions about the motives of people posting. No sock puppetry. Just using the name as part of the response to Ron Unz’s post. Wasn’t trying to create an illusion that multiple people have been posting.

  141. lol says:
    @Jefferson
    "One thing to bear in mind is that the sort of people who mass murder are different from serial killers, mostly. Mass murderers are generally paranoid list making types who don’t intend to make it out alive. Serial killers are mostly those who have a compulsive sexual motivation that when acted out involves killing someone, and intend to get away with it."

    It is true that for serial killers there is a compulsive sexual motivation behind their madness. That is why most serial killers are lonely sexually frustrated Heterosexual men who either mostly or only kill women.

    The Homosexual Jeffrey Dahmer is in the minority among serial killers and that zero of his victims were women, they were all men.

    Not too many examples of Heterosexual serial killers who's victims were either all or mostly men.

    dude about half of all serial killers are “gay” or bisexual. just check the wikipedia list. Its partially because gays are really easy to contact discreetly and to lure away from general society, and its partially because homosexual behavior is co-morbid with a wide range of mental disorders, from narcissism to sociopathy.

  142. @Hippopotamusdrome

    feel free to list them
     
    Ill get the ball rolling.

    Wichita Massacre

    Omar Thornton: I Killed the Five Racists (9 killed)

    Navy shooter complained of 'white racism' (12 killed)

    The 2009 murder in Lakewood, Washington, of four police officers should be on the list.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakewood,_Washington_police_officer_shooting

  143. @Truth

    Christopher Thomas, an African American, was convicted in the 1984 murder of 10 Hispanics in New York City in what was dubbed the Palm Sunday Massacre.
     
    1984 huh? Good year, Regan was president; American Motors still made cars.

    1984 huh? Good year, Regan was president

    Eisenhower was president in 1955 when Emmett Till was murdered and we still hear about that a lot. I’ll bet you never heard of Christopher Thomas. This type of crime is quickly forgotten.

    Also, when Unz pointed out that the Roof’s murders may have been the biggest white-on-black massacre in a century, he established a 100-year time frame, so 31 years ago is not too distant.

    • Replies: @Truth
    "A few decades" is a 100 year time frame?
  144. Mass shootings like this are almost always some crazy guy doing what the little voices tell him to. Even when there is a political motive, it’s heavily filtered through the guy’s crazy worldview, as with the nut who shot Gabby Gifford. (Brevick and the Charlie Hebdo guys seem like more or less rational but evil people carrying out terrorist attacks, but they’re very much the exception.).

    This makes mass shootings a *great* place for everyone to come up with their own preferred explanation. The mass shooting was because of right wing talk radio, or heavy metal music, or black trenchcoats, or bullying, or Islam, or Christianity, or violent video games, or whatever it is the speaker doesn’t like. It becomes a kind of all-purpose justification to ban whatever you started out disliking.

  145. @Pat Casey
    Very interesting. actually felt like a teaching moment, or minutes. would have never known of it. To me it feels nightmarish, and I guess it was more like cotton candy when it came out. It makes me think of no one so much as David Lynch, meta-irony masked as surrealism, opposite emotions jam-packed together. Not that I enjoy any of his stuff much, but he did seem keyed into the zeitgeist in a more original way than anyone else in the 80s.

    Pat, I recall when the Julie Brown song came out. It seemed hilarious. Definitely NOT FUNNY any more since the spate of school shootings.

    Julie had a string of great novelty songs, a short-lived MTV show, and a movie, Earth Girls Are Easy.

  146. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Really? A dozen or two dozen massacres? I mean, not to challenge a man with a 200 IQ, but Mr. Unz, feel free to list them.
     
    A pretty thorough and complete catalog here:

    Black Male Massacres - White Victims

    The trouble with that site “Black Male Massacres – White Victims” is that it includes crimes in which only two whites were killed. It’s hard to define the term massacre, but it suggests more than two. I would say four or more.

    If someone had the patience to do the research, I don’t think it would be hard to come up with a dozen or more instances in which blacks killed four or more whites.

  147. @Wyrd
    I see your white-supremicist mass-murderer and raise you two black-supremicist mass-murderers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

    Don’t forget the New Orleans sniper, Mark James Robert Essex. He was an African American who killed nine people, including five policemen, and wounded 13 others in New Orleans on December 31, 1972 and January 7, 1973.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Essex

    • Replies: @David In TN
    Mark Essex. After it was over, New Orleans' "black leaders" refused to condemn the murders. "There's some Mark Essex in all of us," one said.

    According to press reports at the time, Essex was a hero to blacks in New Orleans (and probably elsewhere).
    , @Hrw-500
    There's also this case who happened in 2006 in Baton Rouge, Louisiana
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/5-dead-in-louisiana-church-shooting/

    And some had jumped to various conspiration theories about the Charleston shooting as mentionned in these websites
    http://www.henrileriche.com/charlestonshooting-photo-of-shooter-manipulated-by-adding-flags-on-top-of-obama-election-emblem/.
    http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/06/charleston-shooting-illuminati-mk-ultra-mind-control-dylann-storm-roof-exposed-2470398.html
    http://www.inquisitr.com/2188029/charleston-s-c-shooting-was-fbi-cia-false-flag-attack-after-obama-tried-to-nuke-charleston-conspiracy-theory/

    One Youtube user nicknamed "John Doe" commented on Mark Dice's new video pretending then it was a politically assassination aimed S.C. Senator Clemente Pinckney but disguised to fool the public to think otherwise.
  148. SFG says:
    @Ron Unz
    Actually, isn't this the biggest American massacre of blacks in almost 100 years? I'm pretty sure nothing like this ever happened during the 1960s and I think you'd need to go back to the 1920s or 1930s for anything comparable or larger. Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.

    My own guess is that it might be directly related to the breakdown of total MSM control over information in our society...

    Couldn’t it just be a quirk of the (Poisson, Cauchy, take your pick) random distribution of spree murders? Some guy happened to pick a place where there were a lot of people in one place to do his killing and got a higher death count?

    It’s less than, say, many school shootings. Guy just happened to be an anti-black racist instead of a garden-variety nut.

  149. @Ron Unz
    Actually, isn't this the biggest American massacre of blacks in almost 100 years? I'm pretty sure nothing like this ever happened during the 1960s and I think you'd need to go back to the 1920s or 1930s for anything comparable or larger. Meanwhile, I think there may have been a dozen (or maybe two dozen) massacres of whites (or occasionally, Hispanics) by blacks over the last few decades.

    My own guess is that it might be directly related to the breakdown of total MSM control over information in our society...

    Mr. Unz,

    Breakdown of total MSM control over information in our society would take a quantum leap if you did an american pravada on the RFK assassination. May also make you think about this here incident differently, or maybe not.

  150. SFG says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    those two depraved boys apparently gorged on that scene in Basketball Diaries where Leonardo DiCaprio comes to class to shoot it up

    Basketball Diaries was 1995, but Julie Brown's "The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" was released in 1984.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG3yGdQYwqg

    Nice. I heard that one as a kid. Hadn’t realized they’d made a video.

    There might also be a bit of nerd wish-fulfillment in there–note she goes crazy over a geek, and her first target is the geek girl who is presumably her rival for the guys’ affections.

    But of course, who writes comedy songs?

  151. @Harry Baldwin
    those two depraved boys apparently gorged on that scene in Basketball Diaries where Leonardo DiCaprio comes to class to shoot it up

    Basketball Diaries was 1995, but Julie Brown's "The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" was released in 1984.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG3yGdQYwqg

    “…but Julie Brown’s “The Homecoming Queen’s Got a Gun” was released in 1984.”

    I recall when that song came out. School shootings weren’t yet on anyone’s real radar at that time. We all just thought the song was funny (if also annoying; it was basically kinda good the very first time you heard it, and never again), because it was so absurd.

    Here’s a recollection some may find interesting: When I was eight or nine (back during the Carter administration), I was playing with my best friend (in Saratoga, California), and there was this older kid who was also hanging out. I didn’t quite understand it at the time, but the reason he was hanging out with us, is because he was some sort of friendless loser; we little kids were the only people who’d be nice or respectful towards him. Anyhoo, I remember him saying that he couldn’t wait for “the prom,” because he was going to bring something very surprising. I couldn’t figure out what he was getting at, so I asked, “You mean like a bottle of whiskey?,” and the guy responded,”No, more like a gun.” I thought that was hilariously weird, and jokingly mentioned it all day long, and so subsequently, my best-friend’s mother made sure that kid didn’t hang out with us anymore, LOL. It wasn’t until years later, that I realized he was quite serious. But fortunately, he came to his senses (or chickened out, perhaps?), and the deed was never done. We’d have to wait almost twenty more years for Columbine to occur, and thus school shootings became “a thing.”

  152. @Harry Baldwin
    Don't forget the New Orleans sniper, Mark James Robert Essex. He was an African American who killed nine people, including five policemen, and wounded 13 others in New Orleans on December 31, 1972 and January 7, 1973.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Essex

    Mark Essex. After it was over, New Orleans’ “black leaders” refused to condemn the murders. “There’s some Mark Essex in all of us,” one said.

    According to press reports at the time, Essex was a hero to blacks in New Orleans (and probably elsewhere).

  153. @Jefferson
    The Huffington Post Negro Marc Lamont Hill is talking about the prevalence of violent culture in White America. The irony of a Black man saying that. A Black man criticizing White culture for being too violent is the equivalent of Mexicans and Pacific Islanders/Polynesians criticizing Americans for being too obese.

    Black males are not exactly Model Minorities for them to think that they are less likely to have violent impulses than White people.

    I have never have understood what “irony” actually means. So I just read this:

    http://blog.dictionary.com/ironic/

    “… An ironic remark conveys a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning. So, in an ironic statement one thing is said, while another thing is meant. For example, if you were trying to be ironic on a stormy, dreary day, you might say: “What glorious weather!” Or if you were suffering from a bad cold, you might ironically say: “I feel like a million bucks.” These are both examples of verbal irony, the most common occurrence of the figure of speech. …”

    Irony is close in meaning to sarcasm. Where sarcasm is an ironic statement with intent to ridicule or mock.

    And there is this: “… Dramatic irony is inherent in speeches or a situation of a drama and is understood by the audience but not grasped by the characters in the play …”. So yes, what Hill said was ironic, but from the perspective of the reader, who know he had his conclusion all wrong.

  154. The NY Times has an article today saying Charleston has been getting more white over the last 30 years. From 1/2 black to 2/3 white.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/06/18/us/charleston-church-shooting-maps-and-suspect.html

    Maybe the story is that poor whites are being left behind by affluent whites. More than a few are not working and doing drugs like I am assuming was the case with Roof.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    Maybe the story is that poor whites are being left behind by affluent whites. More than a few are not working and doing drugs like I am assuming was the case with Roof.

    From Roof's manifesto:

    But what about the White people that are left behind? What about the White children who, because of school zoning laws, are forced to go to a school that is 90 percent black? Do we really think that that White kid will be able to go one day without being picked on for being White, or called a "white boy"? And who is fighting for him? Who is fighting for these White people forced by economic circumstances to live among negroes?

  155. @Truth

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare
     
    Really, how many were there last year?

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare

    Really, how many were there last year?

    American homicides are very much intra-racial in nature:

    The 2013 FBI Uniform Crime Report, a compilation of annual crime statistics, also shows similar data: 83 percent of white victims were killed by white offenders; 90 percent of black victims were killed by black offenders; 14 percent of white victims were killed by black offenders; and 7.6 percent of black victims were killed by white offenders.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/11/25/giulianis-claim-that-93-percent-of-blacks-are-killed-by-other-blacks/

    90% of Black Murder victims were killed by other Blacks

    83% of White Murder victims were killed by other Whites

    7.6 % of Black Murder victims were killed by Whites

    14% of White Murder victims were killed by Blacks

    • Replies: @NOTA
    Mass shootings are a negligible fraction of total shootings or murders per year. Just as with terrorism, the threat is statistically very small, but it's unusual and spectacular and awful, so it gets lots of media coverage and people start feeling like it's an imminent threat, even when they know rationally it's not. The same thing applies to police shootings--yes, there are inevitably some bad, trigger-happy cops out there, and you can be an innocent person shot by a cop in a moment of confusion or malevolence. But the risk is incredibly small.
    , @BostonTea
    "7.6 % of Black Murder victims were killed by Whites"

    People from Council of Conservative Citizens found only four black-on-white homicides in 2014.
    , @matt
    Are Hispanics counted as whites in these figures?
  156. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    When do the movies about it start coming out? Will the president call for a ‘national dialogue’ on something or other? They’ll never let this one go, it’s too good a vehicle for various people’s agendas. It’s an ugly tragedy but prepare for another round of white-bashing. It’s always a case of collective guilt when it comes to whites but individual guilt when a black does something and then they puzzle over why the blacks are driven to do what they do as in the Omar Thornton case. The fact that black-on-white crimes are sky high while the reverse is rare-as everyone here is well aware- is never brought up in the endless media discussions.
    I’ve gotten tired of the whole routine and have been for many years now. Anybody who has an attitude toward whites can kiss you-know-what and I make no bones about it.

  157. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman or the apocalypse"] says:

    90% of Black Murder victims were killed by other Blacks

    83% of White Murder victims were killed by other Whites

    7.6 % of Black Murder victims were killed by Whites

    14% of White Murder victims were killed by Blacks

    You shouldn’t have bothered. Truth has a short memory and will be back asking the same questions next week.

    Hmmm, that reminds me of a complaint leveled by someone else some 80 or so years ago …

  158. @Truth

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare
     
    Really, how many were there last year?

    According to the FBI SHR data, in 2011 there were 6,309 black homicide victims in the United States.

    The homicide rate among black victims in the United States was 17.51 per 100,000. For that year, the overall national homicide rate was 4.44 per 100,000.

    For whites, the national homicide rate was 2.64 per 100,000.

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide14.pdf

  159. When I heard about the shootings my first hope was that a trial would be unnecessary – that Roof would take his own life or be killed in a shootout. I like efficiency, and Roof deserves to die. But if it’s true that Roof grew up in a heavily black neighborhood, then a trial featuring Roofs description of life in a heavily black neighborhood may be the last thing the Left wants. And there will probably be a trial – the evidence is undeniable, he has confessed, but he will not accept the death penalty in a plea bargain, yet the public will demand it. An account of the daily racism harassment experienced by whites in black neighborhoods will be eye-opening.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    FWIW, the killer deserves to be placed in the general population of whatever jail he's in. If still living, he should receive due process and a trial. After a guilty verdict, he should be executed ASAP.
    , @Truth

    An account of the daily racism harassment experienced by whites in black neighborhoods will be eye-opening.
     
    Please see post #77
  160. @Truth

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare
     
    Really, how many were there last year?

    It’s always interesting to see how Black murder rates look in other countries:

    England and Wales:

    Of the 1,715 homicides recorded by police in the three-year period ending March 2013:

    Over three-quarters (77%) of victims were White (1,317 offences), compared with 86% of the population of England and Wales from 2011 Census2 results,

    Around one in ten (11%) were Black (186), compared with 3% of the population,

    Black males, at a homicide rate of 55 offences per million population, are over four times more likely to be a victim of homicide than White males (12 offences per million population). The differential is less pronounced for female victims; yet Black females were around twice as likely to be a victim of homicide than White female victims (13 million offences per population compared with 6 million offences per population).

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/focus-on-violent-crime-and-sexual-offences–2012-13/rpt—chapter-2—homicide.html?format=print

    In 2009-10 Blacks were 2.7% of the population aged 10 or above in England and Wales. They were 13.7% of the prison population. They received 6% of sentences for burglary, 9% of sentences for violence against persons, 16% of sentences for drug offences, 19% of sentences for robbery, and 22% of sentences for fraud and forgery. Crimes committed by Blacks were more severe as shown by longer sentence lengths.[33]
    Almost twice as many black people were in 2003 in prison as at university, according to a report by the Commission for Racial Equality.[34]
    In London, 12% of the population was Black in 2010. In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics regarding those the police took action against for a range of crimes in London in 2009-10. For street crimes including muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property 54% of the offenders were Black. For robbery 59%. For gun crimes 67%. For sexual offences 32%. Black women were responsible for a disproportionate amount of the violent crimes committed by women.[35]

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one

    ...

    Black males, at a homicide rate of 55 offences per million population,
     
    ...
     
    It is amusing that those official stats chose to word it that way because someone who did not read the rest of the sentence would assume that they were talking about murderers and not victims.

    It is further interesting that the person who wrote that did not have the sense to write more clearly, eg homicide victim rate

    Perhaps they did not want to bring up the issue of the frequency with which blacks kill, or perhaps they thought we could estimate it from the other numbers.
  161. @Ron Unz

    There was the MOVE bombing back in 1985. Philadelphia Mayor Wilson Goode ordered a bomb dropped on the compound killing 11 blacks
     
    Sure, but that was a government/official massacre, which is different from what I was talking about. Also, the government official who (inadvertently) caused it to happen was himself black.

    I assume a reasonable slice of those cultists killed at Waco were probably black, but that would fall into the same governmental category. And many hundreds of Americans blacks were killed/killed themselves in the Jonestown massacre, but that happened in Guyana.

    Not to mention the fact that Jim Jones was a Communist and a close friend and ally of Leftists like Harvey Milk, etc.

    The Oklahoma City bombing is only the largest pre-9/11 mass murder of Americans in America because Jonestown did not happen in the United States.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Not to mention the fact that Jim Jones was a Communist and a close friend and ally of Leftists like Harvey Milk, etc.

    The Oklahoma City bombing is only the largest pre-9/11 mass murder of Americans in America because Jonestown did not happen in the United States."

    In addition to being a Communist, Jim Jones was also a Homosexual just like Harvey Milk, the only difference was Harvey told the whole world he was a Homo with his big megaphone while Jim Jones stayed inside the closet. I saw a documentary on The People's Temple/Jonestown which revealed that Jim Jones would have sex with the some of the underage Black boys.

    A communist, a pedophile, and a mass murderer. Harvey Milk and George Moscone sure knew how to politically pick their friends. If those two had not been killed by Dan White, their political careers should have been finished especially in 1978 when America not as Left Wing a country as it is today.

  162. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @syonredux
    It's always interesting to see how Black murder rates look in other countries:

    England and Wales:

    Of the 1,715 homicides recorded by police in the three-year period ending March 2013:

    Over three-quarters (77%) of victims were White (1,317 offences), compared with 86% of the population of England and Wales from 2011 Census2 results,

    Around one in ten (11%) were Black (186), compared with 3% of the population,

    Black males, at a homicide rate of 55 offences per million population, are over four times more likely to be a victim of homicide than White males (12 offences per million population). The differential is less pronounced for female victims; yet Black females were around twice as likely to be a victim of homicide than White female victims (13 million offences per population compared with 6 million offences per population).

     

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/focus-on-violent-crime-and-sexual-offences--2012-13/rpt---chapter-2---homicide.html?format=print

    In 2009-10 Blacks were 2.7% of the population aged 10 or above in England and Wales. They were 13.7% of the prison population. They received 6% of sentences for burglary, 9% of sentences for violence against persons, 16% of sentences for drug offences, 19% of sentences for robbery, and 22% of sentences for fraud and forgery. Crimes committed by Blacks were more severe as shown by longer sentence lengths.[33]
    Almost twice as many black people were in 2003 in prison as at university, according to a report by the Commission for Racial Equality.[34]
    In London, 12% of the population was Black in 2010. In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics regarding those the police took action against for a range of crimes in London in 2009-10. For street crimes including muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property 54% of the offenders were Black. For robbery 59%. For gun crimes 67%. For sexual offences 32%. Black women were responsible for a disproportionate amount of the violent crimes committed by women.[35]
     

    Black males, at a homicide rate of 55 offences per million population,

    It is amusing that those official stats chose to word it that way because someone who did not read the rest of the sentence would assume that they were talking about murderers and not victims.

    It is further interesting that the person who wrote that did not have the sense to write more clearly, eg homicide victim rate

    Perhaps they did not want to bring up the issue of the frequency with which blacks kill, or perhaps they thought we could estimate it from the other numbers.

  163. @Harry Baldwin
    1984 huh? Good year, Regan was president

    Eisenhower was president in 1955 when Emmett Till was murdered and we still hear about that a lot. I'll bet you never heard of Christopher Thomas. This type of crime is quickly forgotten.

    Also, when Unz pointed out that the Roof's murders may have been the biggest white-on-black massacre in a century, he established a 100-year time frame, so 31 years ago is not too distant.

    “A few decades” is a 100 year time frame?

    • Replies: @tomv
    Ron said of massacres against blacks, "I think you’d need to go back to the 1920s or 1930s for anything comparable or larger." That's close enough to 100 years for me. The "last few decades" time frame is for massacres by blacks, which, of course, includes something that took place 31 years ago.

    Even here at Unz.com, we have a more lenient standard for blacks. Spend more time reading and less shooting from your hip, Truth, and you may just meet it.

  164. @syonredux

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare

    Really, how many were there last year?
     
    American homicides are very much intra-racial in nature:

    The 2013 FBI Uniform Crime Report, a compilation of annual crime statistics, also shows similar data: 83 percent of white victims were killed by white offenders; 90 percent of black victims were killed by black offenders; 14 percent of white victims were killed by black offenders; and 7.6 percent of black victims were killed by white offenders.
     
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/11/25/giulianis-claim-that-93-percent-of-blacks-are-killed-by-other-blacks/


    90% of Black Murder victims were killed by other Blacks

    83% of White Murder victims were killed by other Whites

    7.6 % of Black Murder victims were killed by Whites

    14% of White Murder victims were killed by Blacks

    Mass shootings are a negligible fraction of total shootings or murders per year. Just as with terrorism, the threat is statistically very small, but it’s unusual and spectacular and awful, so it gets lots of media coverage and people start feeling like it’s an imminent threat, even when they know rationally it’s not. The same thing applies to police shootings–yes, there are inevitably some bad, trigger-happy cops out there, and you can be an innocent person shot by a cop in a moment of confusion or malevolence. But the risk is incredibly small.

  165. @Father O'Hara
    Never forget Thornton.

    Never forget Thornton.

    Cookie or Omar?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    Never forget Thornton.

    Cookie or Omar?

     

    Wilder.
  166. @Wilkey
    When I heard about the shootings my first hope was that a trial would be unnecessary - that Roof would take his own life or be killed in a shootout. I like efficiency, and Roof deserves to die. But if it's true that Roof grew up in a heavily black neighborhood, then a trial featuring Roofs description of life in a heavily black neighborhood may be the last thing the Left wants. And there will probably be a trial - the evidence is undeniable, he has confessed, but he will not accept the death penalty in a plea bargain, yet the public will demand it. An account of the daily racism harassment experienced by whites in black neighborhoods will be eye-opening.

    FWIW, the killer deserves to be placed in the general population of whatever jail he’s in. If still living, he should receive due process and a trial. After a guilty verdict, he should be executed ASAP.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    I don't think it's right to put anyone in a place where he has a strong chance chance of being murdered, as Roof probably would, knowing the probable racial composition of the SC prison population - especially considering he hasn't been convicted of anything yet.
  167. @NAbler
    We already know what's enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they're God's Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    That's the plot hole about white nationalism, human biodiversity, race realism, or whatever you want to call it: it only appeals to low-IQ whites. Higher IQ types don't need to think about whether the average white person is smarter than the average black person because they're smarter than both of them. Everyone else is embroiled in the fight for 2nd place, and Steve's ramblings about Galton or whatever makes them think they're entitled.

    I've always found it odd because Steve seems like a sharp guy but he doesn't seem able to put 2 and 2 together. You can't talk about how low-IQ makes people lash out in ignorant violence and still think you can preach the gospel of Charles Murray without turning people into Nazis.
    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    The cure offered by that book would be worse than the disease, if one has a progressive agenda. This is old time "rock music is turning our daughters into sluts" conservatism. Good luck with that.

    In fact, the mass killing by this young man seems to have been inspired by the Trayvon Martin case, and by his discovery that black violence towards whites is greater than the reverse. Now either those statistics are accurate or they are not, but if we seriously believe that statistics on black and white crime are the cause of mass murder, then we might as well say that we should ban the Beatles' White Album, since clearly it inspired Charles Manson and his murders, due to his idiosyncratic reading of the "text."

    What we in fact have is a situation in which the MSM fastidiously downplays the racial factor in any killing, which is part of the reason sites like this exist, to allow people to vent about facts that the MSM ignores.

    Again, if their is any fact value to racial crime statistics, they either are, or are not true. If true, they should be allowed to stand. If false, they should have it explained why they are false, and should still be allowed to stand. However, suggesting the "idea" of black white crime statistics as causative of violence such as this case, is to suggest that censoring such statistics will prevent such mass murders. That is not only objectively false, but it suggests that censorship will solve this sort of thing. It will not.

    The real issue is not black-white crime statistics but what to do about it. No one here has ever offered up the "idea" of mass murder. What I have seen is some discussion about it being a problem.

    In reality, Roof was just an alienated young man of the type going back to Raskolnikov or before who gets an idea to do something big to change the world, and ends up doing nothing more than committing some sordid ugly murders. What do with people like that is a relevant question. The rest is just nothing.
  168. He’s already more famous than Omar Thornton. I’d say even before he was apprehended he might’ve been more famous than Thornton.

    BTW why were there victim impact statement at his arraignment? Is that normal in that particular state or just another example of special rules for blacks?

    • Replies: @Truth

    He’s already more famous than Omar Thornton. I’d say even before he was apprehended he might’ve been more famous than Thornton.
     
    Of course you have a sophisticated mathematical matrix to back this up.
  169. @Harry Baldwin
    Don't forget the New Orleans sniper, Mark James Robert Essex. He was an African American who killed nine people, including five policemen, and wounded 13 others in New Orleans on December 31, 1972 and January 7, 1973.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Essex

    There’s also this case who happened in 2006 in Baton Rouge, Louisiana

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/5-dead-in-louisiana-church-shooting/

    And some had jumped to various conspiration theories about the Charleston shooting as mentionned in these websites

    http://www.henrileriche.com/charlestonshooting-photo-of-shooter-manipulated-by-adding-flags-on-top-of-obama-election-emblem/.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/06/charleston-shooting-illuminati-mk-ultra-mind-control-dylann-storm-roof-exposed-2470398.html

    http://www.inquisitr.com/2188029/charleston-s-c-shooting-was-fbi-cia-false-flag-attack-after-obama-tried-to-nuke-charleston-conspiracy-theory/

    One Youtube user nicknamed “John Doe” commented on Mark Dice’s new video pretending then it was a politically assassination aimed S.C. Senator Clemente Pinckney but disguised to fool the public to think otherwise.

  170. Here’s the killer’s manifesto. Reads like a longer-than-average iSteve comment.

    http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt

    • Replies: @anonymous
    His manifesto does seem like a longer iSteve comment, but.....

    No one here has shot up a church. It's one thing to say what he said, it's another to go bezerk.
  171. @David In TN
    FWIW, the killer deserves to be placed in the general population of whatever jail he's in. If still living, he should receive due process and a trial. After a guilty verdict, he should be executed ASAP.

    I don’t think it’s right to put anyone in a place where he has a strong chance chance of being murdered, as Roof probably would, knowing the probable racial composition of the SC prison population – especially considering he hasn’t been convicted of anything yet.

  172. @Jefferson
    "One thing to bear in mind is that the sort of people who mass murder are different from serial killers, mostly. Mass murderers are generally paranoid list making types who don’t intend to make it out alive. Serial killers are mostly those who have a compulsive sexual motivation that when acted out involves killing someone, and intend to get away with it."

    It is true that for serial killers there is a compulsive sexual motivation behind their madness. That is why most serial killers are lonely sexually frustrated Heterosexual men who either mostly or only kill women.

    The Homosexual Jeffrey Dahmer is in the minority among serial killers and that zero of his victims were women, they were all men.

    Not too many examples of Heterosexual serial killers who's victims were either all or mostly men.

    “Jefferson says

    It is true that for serial killers there is a compulsive sexual motivation behind their madness. That is why most serial killers are lonely sexually frustrated Heterosexual men who either mostly or only kill women.

    The Homosexual Jeffrey Dahmer is in the minority among serial killers and that zero of his victims were women, they were all men.”

    Actually, you are quite wrong. There have been plenty of homosexual serial killers. Dahmer was not so rare as you make him out to be. Every heard of John Wayne Gacy? Wayne Williams? Carl Panzeram? I’m sure there were probably many others. The media today is dedicated to the proposition that all homosexual men are fabulous moral paragons, who are every woman’s best friend, but that is not true. The fact is that there are plenty of violent, aggressive homosexuals, many of whom hate women.

    Neither is it true that serial killers are necessarily sexually frustrated. The Green River Killer regularly visited prostitutes (many of whom he murdered), and was married. Ted Bundy didn’t seem to have any problem getting women, and he even had several steady girlfriends over the years. The BTK killer in Wichita was married.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Don't forget Dean Corll the "Pied Piper" in Texas, with >28 victims. He also was gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

    It looks like human sexuality can easily be led down a path towards domination, violence, murder and even cannibalism. That may be why, in olden times, there used to be this thing called sexual morality.
    , @unpc downunder
    "The fact is that there are plenty of violent, aggressive homosexuals, many of whom hate women."

    If that's the case, then there also likely to be quite a few less extreme homosexuals who are on the political right, and oppose left-wing policies such as gay marriage, extreme feminism and mass immigration.

    Watch pushing homosexuals into a corner and encouraging them to identify as liberals.
  173. Well, the website for this freak has emerged, courtesy of the Daily Mail.

    I won’t provide the direct URL but anyone with two working brain cells will be able to access it, which leads with a shot from the Australian film, “Romper Stomper.” There is also a manifesto accessible via the Daily Mail link, it’s pretty much what you would expect.

    The irony is that apparently what drove this fellow insane was the Trayvon Martin case.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    The irony is that apparently what drove this fellow insane was the Trayvon Martin case.

    There is white mass murderer, Doug Williams, who in 2003 killed six coworkers at Lockheed-Martin because he was so enraged by mandatory diversity training.

    http://murderpedia.org/male.W/w/williams-doug.htm

  174. 983289

    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It’s very possible. I’d bet money on it, in fact.

    Maybe it’s time to write more posts about golf for a while.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Are you agitating to have iSteve shut down for inciting racial hatred? SJW?
    , @Ron Unz

    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It’s very possible. I’d bet money on it, in fact.

    Maybe it’s time to write more posts about golf for a while.
     
    Now that's just plain silly. Anyone who bothers spending even five minutes looking at the actual statistics knows that the rate of black-against-white violence, killings, and outright massacres has been vastly, *vastly* greater for decades. Furthermore, an enormously stronger case can be made that this huge tide of innocent bloodshed has been aggravated or even substantially provoked by the totally dishonest news, tv, and film coverage of these sorts of racial issues, both present-day and historical, much like the old Stalinist media encouraged the ruthless annihilation of the kulaks. And I daresay that the combined audience of all the television networks plus Hollywood is somewhat greater than the readership of Steve's blog.

    So if Steve should be morally shamed into switching over to golf stories, I'd think the same should be true of every television and film director, while the pages of the NYT and all our other newspapers similarly feature nothing but wall-to-wall golf scores...
    , @Anon
    "Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It’s very possible. I’d bet money on it, in fact."

    Possible.

    But so what?

    I'll bet every leftist terrorist or killer read the Nation, Noam Chomsky, or some such.

    I'll bet every Zionist extremist read New Republic, Commentary, or some such.

    I read Dylan's 'manifesto', and the great irony is that a lot of white Libs who are denouncing him do exactly as he describes: they practice defacto racial segregation out of fear of blacks.

    If anything, this story, horrible as it is, can be a great boon to HBD.

    On the surface, Dylan seems to be crazy or 'racist'.

    But then, it turns out that even if his act was vile, he was motivated by social issues that should have been addressed but were swept under the rug for too long.

    The more we honestly discuss the thoughts of Dylan, the more we can better understand what is going on.

    Ideas have consequences. Theories are created to eventually lead to practice.

    Marxist ideas had consequences. The Founding Father's ideas had consequences: they led to war. Uncle Tom's Cabin had consequences. Neocon ideas about 'spreading democracy' had consequences.

    So, HBD ideas will have consequences, some good, some bad, some carried out legally, some carried out illegally.

    But the thing is we need an honest debate.

    If we don't have an honest debate, something will explode as happened in this case.
    , @Truth
    There is no evidence that this gentleman was reading Sailer's blog, although I don't think it would be a HUGE shock to anyone, and besides, race-baiting multiple times a day is so much fun!
    , @Glossy
    It's extremely unlikely that Roof read iSteve. A guy like that would be bored here. Stormfront wouldn't surpirse me though.
    , @Curle

    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It’s very possible. I’d bet money on it, in fact.
     
    Probably a reaction to reading your comments. Might want to up your game. Not producing desired results.
    , @Anonymous
    I doubt he was a reader. I don't think the 9th grade dropout would've found the blog interesting enough to keep his attention. However, in his manifesto he writes things like, "Negroes have lower Iqs, lower impulse control, and higher testosterone levels in generals," which is obviously an HBD type formulation that he didn't come up with by himself but read about online somewhere.
    , @Ed
    He probably has but I think he probably got much of his stuff from SBPDL. SBPDL is big on black people taking over, calls it "BRA", not sure what the acronyms means but the general theme of the blog is that black criminality is ignored by the media while blacks create dysfunction and kill whites.

    I've read comments on there by posters saying they found his site by searching for XYZ. So I could see a Dylan stumbling on it. Also SBPDL has received some mainstream mention with none other than NPR referring to a story. I think Sowell gave his blog an approving nod in an article.
  175. I see that “Truth” has shown up to perform his usual schtick – soft-peddling black crime. Whatever atrocities black criminals may have committed, they aren’t as bad as they seem. Is savagely sexually assaulting and murdering five people a massacre? Doesn’t meet the minimum numerical requirement for a massacre (arbitrarily announced by “Truth” himself)? Well then, why are you bothered by it? These aren’t the massacres you’re looking for.

    Ultimately, “Truth” is nothing but an apologist for black criminals. According to him, whatever it is they did, it wasn’t so bad – you, however – you are the real miscreant for noticing.

    Oh, and he’s real broken up about the poor white victims, at least when he’s not implying that they brought it on themselves. People here ought not to forget that. After the rape, torture and murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom by evil black thugs, “Truth” implied that they had brought it on themselves.

  176. @Steve Richter
    The NY Times has an article today saying Charleston has been getting more white over the last 30 years. From 1/2 black to 2/3 white.
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/06/18/us/charleston-church-shooting-maps-and-suspect.html
    Maybe the story is that poor whites are being left behind by affluent whites. More than a few are not working and doing drugs like I am assuming was the case with Roof.

    Maybe the story is that poor whites are being left behind by affluent whites. More than a few are not working and doing drugs like I am assuming was the case with Roof.

    From Roof’s manifesto:

    But what about the White people that are left behind? What about the White children who, because of school zoning laws, are forced to go to a school that is 90 percent black? Do we really think that that White kid will be able to go one day without being picked on for being White, or called a “white boy”? And who is fighting for him? Who is fighting for these White people forced by economic circumstances to live among negroes?

    • Replies: @Steve Richter
    Wow! Perception = intelligence? And he dropped out of high school. What a waste. What a messed up country we are living in.
    , @Casey
    I just left a comment or two over at Mother Jones on their article about his manifesto. I expressed disappointment that most of the comments were not responding to anything he actually said, and that in my opinion tensions were being inflamed by both sides of the political spectrum. Was there a grain of truth in anything he said, could his experiences have affected his views? But as carefully constructed so as not to appear 'racist' and as reasonable as my comments were I was blocked by the site in no time and all my comments were removed.

    What is interesting is that as anti-racism becomes more fanatical, the conflicts that result lead to these sorts of things receiving more air time (eg the comment about being a white minority in school you are quoting here or the posting of statistics on comment threads) even if they are not featured by MSM the word seems to be getting out. This causes more extreme pushback by anti-racists. I was really shocked at being blocked by MJ with such carefully worded, reasonable comments. It's only going to get crazier I'm afraid.
  177. @matt
    http://www.amazon.com/Ideas-Have-Consequences-Expanded-Edition/dp/022609006X

    The cure offered by that book would be worse than the disease, if one has a progressive agenda. This is old time “rock music is turning our daughters into sluts” conservatism. Good luck with that.

    In fact, the mass killing by this young man seems to have been inspired by the Trayvon Martin case, and by his discovery that black violence towards whites is greater than the reverse. Now either those statistics are accurate or they are not, but if we seriously believe that statistics on black and white crime are the cause of mass murder, then we might as well say that we should ban the Beatles’ White Album, since clearly it inspired Charles Manson and his murders, due to his idiosyncratic reading of the “text.”

    What we in fact have is a situation in which the MSM fastidiously downplays the racial factor in any killing, which is part of the reason sites like this exist, to allow people to vent about facts that the MSM ignores.

    Again, if their is any fact value to racial crime statistics, they either are, or are not true. If true, they should be allowed to stand. If false, they should have it explained why they are false, and should still be allowed to stand. However, suggesting the “idea” of black white crime statistics as causative of violence such as this case, is to suggest that censoring such statistics will prevent such mass murders. That is not only objectively false, but it suggests that censorship will solve this sort of thing. It will not.

    The real issue is not black-white crime statistics but what to do about it. No one here has ever offered up the “idea” of mass murder. What I have seen is some discussion about it being a problem.

    In reality, Roof was just an alienated young man of the type going back to Raskolnikov or before who gets an idea to do something big to change the world, and ends up doing nothing more than committing some sordid ugly murders. What do with people like that is a relevant question. The rest is just nothing.

    • Replies: @Truth

    In reality, Roof was just an alienated young man of the type going back to Raskolnikov or before who gets an idea to do something big to change the world,
     
    Yup, he and Latalvis Cobbins. Oh wait, he only murdered 1/2 a person per capita, this guy outdid him by a factor of 18.
  178. @Mr. Anon
    "Jefferson says

    It is true that for serial killers there is a compulsive sexual motivation behind their madness. That is why most serial killers are lonely sexually frustrated Heterosexual men who either mostly or only kill women.

    The Homosexual Jeffrey Dahmer is in the minority among serial killers and that zero of his victims were women, they were all men."

    Actually, you are quite wrong. There have been plenty of homosexual serial killers. Dahmer was not so rare as you make him out to be. Every heard of John Wayne Gacy? Wayne Williams? Carl Panzeram? I'm sure there were probably many others. The media today is dedicated to the proposition that all homosexual men are fabulous moral paragons, who are every woman's best friend, but that is not true. The fact is that there are plenty of violent, aggressive homosexuals, many of whom hate women.

    Neither is it true that serial killers are necessarily sexually frustrated. The Green River Killer regularly visited prostitutes (many of whom he murdered), and was married. Ted Bundy didn't seem to have any problem getting women, and he even had several steady girlfriends over the years. The BTK killer in Wichita was married.

    Don’t forget Dean Corll the “Pied Piper” in Texas, with >28 victims. He also was gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    It looks like human sexuality can easily be led down a path towards domination, violence, murder and even cannibalism. That may be why, in olden times, there used to be this thing called sexual morality.

    • Replies: @C. Van Carter
    Also the Black Doodler, who was African American and homosexual.
  179. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @matt
    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It's very possible. I'd bet money on it, in fact.

    Maybe it's time to write more posts about golf for a while.

    Are you agitating to have iSteve shut down for inciting racial hatred? SJW?

    • Replies: @matt
    Not shut down. No need for such drastic measures. Just converted into a blog about golf courses.
  180. @The most deplorable one
    Are you agitating to have iSteve shut down for inciting racial hatred? SJW?

    Not shut down. No need for such drastic measures. Just converted into a blog about golf courses.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Not shut down. No need for such drastic measures. Just converted into a blog about golf courses.
     
    MMMM, that sounds far to dangerous, dear fellow.When Steve discusses golf courses, he tends to bring into play dangerous subjects like Anglo culture and evolution (that's evolution in the scientifically correct-hence, politically incorrect-sense).Lots of Thoughtcrime there.....
  181. @Harry Baldwin
    No, I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He wanted to do the most appalling thing imaginable and what occurred to him was to murder innocent blacks at a bible study class in a historically significant black church. He probably knew that this would get the attention of the president and occupy the media for a week or more. Killing some black criminals, Death Wish style, would not have had the same impact.

    Adam Lanza killed the schoolchildren in Sandy Hook, CT, because he, too, wanted to do the most appalling thing imaginable so that he would be talked about and remembered.

    I mean sympathy for the cause.

  182. @syonredux

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare

    Really, how many were there last year?
     
    American homicides are very much intra-racial in nature:

    The 2013 FBI Uniform Crime Report, a compilation of annual crime statistics, also shows similar data: 83 percent of white victims were killed by white offenders; 90 percent of black victims were killed by black offenders; 14 percent of white victims were killed by black offenders; and 7.6 percent of black victims were killed by white offenders.
     
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/11/25/giulianis-claim-that-93-percent-of-blacks-are-killed-by-other-blacks/


    90% of Black Murder victims were killed by other Blacks

    83% of White Murder victims were killed by other Whites

    7.6 % of Black Murder victims were killed by Whites

    14% of White Murder victims were killed by Blacks

    “7.6 % of Black Murder victims were killed by Whites”

    People from Council of Conservative Citizens found only four black-on-white homicides in 2014.

    • Replies: @BostonTea
    There's an error in my previous post. I wrote: "People from Council of Conservative Citizens found only four black-on-white homicides in 2014." and it should be:

    So far people from Council of Conservative Citizens have only found four WHITE ON BLACKS murders, killed by two perps, for 2014
  183. @SPMoore8
    Well, the website for this freak has emerged, courtesy of the Daily Mail.

    I won't provide the direct URL but anyone with two working brain cells will be able to access it, which leads with a shot from the Australian film, "Romper Stomper." There is also a manifesto accessible via the Daily Mail link, it's pretty much what you would expect.

    The irony is that apparently what drove this fellow insane was the Trayvon Martin case.

    The irony is that apparently what drove this fellow insane was the Trayvon Martin case.

    There is white mass murderer, Doug Williams, who in 2003 killed six coworkers at Lockheed-Martin because he was so enraged by mandatory diversity training.

    http://murderpedia.org/male.W/w/williams-doug.htm

  184. @BostonTea
    "7.6 % of Black Murder victims were killed by Whites"

    People from Council of Conservative Citizens found only four black-on-white homicides in 2014.

    There’s an error in my previous post. I wrote: “People from Council of Conservative Citizens found only four black-on-white homicides in 2014.” and it should be:

    So far people from Council of Conservative Citizens have only found four WHITE ON BLACKS murders, killed by two perps, for 2014

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    CofCC's website is now unreachable. They were mentioned in the murderer's "manifesto".
  185. Right, but no one is saying that as a result of a bee sting death once a week that Confederate flags should be banned or that white people should re-double their efforts to eradicate their racism in order to stop it.

    My point exactly.

    The other part of the problem is that there’s a limit to “putting in perspective” when it’s your own family at risk. You just can’t blow off Virginia Tech, or Sandy Hook, or Aurora, CO, etc. by saying that “well, it coulda been a bee sting.” The first impulse is gun control (as what happened in Australia or Scotland after their famous mass murders, and I don’t think anyone wants that), and the second impulse is to cause citizens to flee the public square, with all that that entails (and I don’t think anyone wants that, either.)

    In short, comparing this to bee stings is just not going to be very effective.

    The risk in question is infinitesimal. And best reduced by taking control of one’s own self-defense.

    But I think a one-two punch of drunk driving and bee stings would be most effective. Drunk driving deaths dwarf mass shooting deaths. Drunk driving deaths are the real issue, while mass shootings are way down the list next to deaths by bee sting. Every mention of mass shooting deaths is a chance to mention the real, ignored problem of drunk driving deaths, and relegate mass shooting deaths to their proper place, next to bee sting deaths.

    Don’t forget this guy grew up in a toxic environment. South Carolina still flies the confederate flag for Pete’s sake. How fitting a racist terrorist would unleash his evil in a white supremacist state.

    Lol. Yes, it’s some flag, and not, say, blacks and their sky-high violent crime and rape rates, that makes the racial environment “toxic.”

    I hope our government does the right thing, however unlikely, and significantly curtails gun ownership and bans white supremacist symbols, practices and ideology

    I hope the gov’t cracks down on black violent crime, the most powerful vector of racism in the US. Racism is mainly owed to black behavior.

    We already know what’s enabling this massacre: men like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer filling the heads of low-IQ whites with delusions that they’re God’s Chosen People by virtue of their genes.

    But silly, “God’s Chosen People” means we’re Chosen by God for lots of extra work and unpleasantness. Didn’t you know? It’s more of a lament than a boast.

    1984 huh? Good year, Regan was president; American Motors still made cars.

    You’re the one who worked for years in the business that still celebrates Emmit Till’s murder. We learned it by watching you, dad.

    White Gunman Kills 9

    He’s white, slightly built and in his early 20s

    The suspect … is a white male about 21 years old

    A white man opened fire

    a 21-year-old white man from Lexington

    The 21-year-old white man suspected of having gunned down nine people

    shot to death … by a 21-year-old white man

    white male, aged between 21 and 25

    The suspect, a white male in his early 20s

    Indeed. It’s striking how quickly the race of the suspect became known, how important it became to the narrative, etc.

    But since the press dug into Omar Thornton’s motivations as possible explanations, why don’t they do the same with this murderer?

    Indeed.

    I don’t think it’s right to put anyone in a place where he has a strong chance chance of being murdered, as Roof probably would, knowing the probable racial composition of the SC prison population – especially considering he hasn’t been convicted of anything yet.

    My understanding is that jails are largely (exclusively?) populated with people serving short sentences for petty crimes, people awaiting trial, people soon to depart for prison or the street, etc. Killing someone while inside is a great way to wind up in prison for a long stretch. Also, it’s not like he’s going to be in one of those prisons in SoCal or Illinois. I know a couple of (white) guys who did time in prison around here, and IIRC, neither one even got into a fight inside. Not saying Roof’s in for a good time (he’ll probably be bullied and then put into some kind of segregation), but it’s not like the movies, either. This is a pretty rural, laid-back state, compared to what many of you may be used to.

  186. @matt
    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It's very possible. I'd bet money on it, in fact.

    Maybe it's time to write more posts about golf for a while.

    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It’s very possible. I’d bet money on it, in fact.

    Maybe it’s time to write more posts about golf for a while.

    Now that’s just plain silly. Anyone who bothers spending even five minutes looking at the actual statistics knows that the rate of black-against-white violence, killings, and outright massacres has been vastly, *vastly* greater for decades. Furthermore, an enormously stronger case can be made that this huge tide of innocent bloodshed has been aggravated or even substantially provoked by the totally dishonest news, tv, and film coverage of these sorts of racial issues, both present-day and historical, much like the old Stalinist media encouraged the ruthless annihilation of the kulaks. And I daresay that the combined audience of all the television networks plus Hollywood is somewhat greater than the readership of Steve’s blog.

    So if Steve should be morally shamed into switching over to golf stories, I’d think the same should be true of every television and film director, while the pages of the NYT and all our other newspapers similarly feature nothing but wall-to-wall golf scores…

    • Replies: @matt
    So if Steve should be morally shamed into switching over to golf stories, I’d think the same should be true of every television and film director, while the pages of the NYT and all our other newspapers similarly feature nothing but wall-to-wall golf scores…

    I'd prefer pro-wrestling recaps, personally.
    , @matt
    I almost forgot:

    "With the possible exception of things like box scores, race results, and stock market tabulations, there is no such thing as Objective Journalism." - Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail
  187. @BostonTea
    There's an error in my previous post. I wrote: "People from Council of Conservative Citizens found only four black-on-white homicides in 2014." and it should be:

    So far people from Council of Conservative Citizens have only found four WHITE ON BLACKS murders, killed by two perps, for 2014

    CofCC’s website is now unreachable. They were mentioned in the murderer’s “manifesto”.

    • Replies: @BostonTea
    "CofCC’s website is now unreachable."

    They are back.

  188. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @matt
    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It's very possible. I'd bet money on it, in fact.

    Maybe it's time to write more posts about golf for a while.

    “Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It’s very possible. I’d bet money on it, in fact.”

    Possible.

    But so what?

    I’ll bet every leftist terrorist or killer read the Nation, Noam Chomsky, or some such.

    I’ll bet every Zionist extremist read New Republic, Commentary, or some such.

    I read Dylan’s ‘manifesto’, and the great irony is that a lot of white Libs who are denouncing him do exactly as he describes: they practice defacto racial segregation out of fear of blacks.

    If anything, this story, horrible as it is, can be a great boon to HBD.

    On the surface, Dylan seems to be crazy or ‘racist’.

    But then, it turns out that even if his act was vile, he was motivated by social issues that should have been addressed but were swept under the rug for too long.

    The more we honestly discuss the thoughts of Dylan, the more we can better understand what is going on.

    Ideas have consequences. Theories are created to eventually lead to practice.

    Marxist ideas had consequences. The Founding Father’s ideas had consequences: they led to war. Uncle Tom’s Cabin had consequences. Neocon ideas about ‘spreading democracy’ had consequences.

    So, HBD ideas will have consequences, some good, some bad, some carried out legally, some carried out illegally.

    But the thing is we need an honest debate.

    If we don’t have an honest debate, something will explode as happened in this case.

  189. Hal says:
    @josh
    I see where you are coming from (and presumably you are also making a sly joke since, obviously, black people do the same. There was a funny Chapel show sketch about this). But isn't it natural when somebody does something so far removed from our experience to speculate what could have led a person to such a decision. Sure, people tend to create narratives that fit their own biases about race, or society, or drugs, or handguns, or the media and video games, but it's only natural that people will give the matter some thought. It's not the same as making excuses.

    But isn’t it natural when somebody does something so far removed from our experience to speculate what could have led a person to such a decision. ….. but it’s only natural that people will give the matter some thought. It’s not the same as making excuses.

    Yes. The healthy response would be to examine the circumstances that set this young man adrift, such as no social support. Is he psychotic? Victim of horrendous upbringing? These are the type of questions media should be asking.

    Instead, we have the megaphone looking for ways to increase political advantage over mainstream whites.

  190. One thing I gotta ax:

    Has anyone seen Troof and Roof in the same place?

    Food for thought.

    There is white mass murderer, Doug Williams, who in 2003 killed six coworkers at Lockheed-Martin because he was so enraged by mandatory diversity training.

    “Diversity training” sounds like one of those dangerous trigger phrases we hear so much about. Time to retire “diversity training,” then.

    Seems to me that population density may also be a factor. Us primate mammals are social, but we need some space too. Probably a range of how much elbow room homo sapiens each require for comfort

    Agreed. I’ve thought so for years. I remember reading about an experiment with rats. Once their population density crosses a threshold, they go nuts and start eating one another. I think of NYC, every time I think about that experiment.

  191. @Rob McX
    Maybe the story is that poor whites are being left behind by affluent whites. More than a few are not working and doing drugs like I am assuming was the case with Roof.

    From Roof's manifesto:

    But what about the White people that are left behind? What about the White children who, because of school zoning laws, are forced to go to a school that is 90 percent black? Do we really think that that White kid will be able to go one day without being picked on for being White, or called a "white boy"? And who is fighting for him? Who is fighting for these White people forced by economic circumstances to live among negroes?

    Wow! Perception = intelligence? And he dropped out of high school. What a waste. What a messed up country we are living in.

  192. Mike Smith does drop an interesting link in that blog post:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_James_Church_massacre

    Four black terrorists entered a white church and started shooting, killing 11 and wounding 58. A white congregant with a gun returned fire, wounding one of the blacks, who then abandoned their plan to firebomb the church and fled.

    • Replies: @Truth
    Oh hey, wrong country but "E" for effort.
    , @The most deplorable one

    In 1998 the attackers were granted amnesty for their participation by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
     
    So, I guess Roof can look forward to being granted amnesty then, can't he?
  193. @matt
    Here's the killer's manifesto. Reads like a longer-than-average iSteve comment.

    http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt

    His manifesto does seem like a longer iSteve comment, but…..

    No one here has shot up a church. It’s one thing to say what he said, it’s another to go bezerk.

  194. I was hoping to come here and see lots of analysis of this huge media issue. Come on Steve, isn’t this what happens when they take prayer out of school?

  195. @matt
    Not shut down. No need for such drastic measures. Just converted into a blog about golf courses.

    Not shut down. No need for such drastic measures. Just converted into a blog about golf courses.

    MMMM, that sounds far to dangerous, dear fellow.When Steve discusses golf courses, he tends to bring into play dangerous subjects like Anglo culture and evolution (that’s evolution in the scientifically correct-hence, politically incorrect-sense).Lots of Thoughtcrime there…..

  196. @Ron Unz

    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It’s very possible. I’d bet money on it, in fact.

    Maybe it’s time to write more posts about golf for a while.
     
    Now that's just plain silly. Anyone who bothers spending even five minutes looking at the actual statistics knows that the rate of black-against-white violence, killings, and outright massacres has been vastly, *vastly* greater for decades. Furthermore, an enormously stronger case can be made that this huge tide of innocent bloodshed has been aggravated or even substantially provoked by the totally dishonest news, tv, and film coverage of these sorts of racial issues, both present-day and historical, much like the old Stalinist media encouraged the ruthless annihilation of the kulaks. And I daresay that the combined audience of all the television networks plus Hollywood is somewhat greater than the readership of Steve's blog.

    So if Steve should be morally shamed into switching over to golf stories, I'd think the same should be true of every television and film director, while the pages of the NYT and all our other newspapers similarly feature nothing but wall-to-wall golf scores...

    So if Steve should be morally shamed into switching over to golf stories, I’d think the same should be true of every television and film director, while the pages of the NYT and all our other newspapers similarly feature nothing but wall-to-wall golf scores…

    I’d prefer pro-wrestling recaps, personally.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    I’d prefer pro-wrestling recaps, personally.
     
    Plenty of room for HBD crimethink in that area, dear fellow....
  197. I hate waiting

    Matt

    Not shut down. No need for such drastic measures. Just converted into a blog about golf courses.

    MMMM, that sounds far to dangerous, dear fellow.When Steve discusses golf courses, he tends to bring into play dangerous subjects like Anglo culture and evolution (that’s evolution in the scientifically correct-hence, politically incorrect-sense).Lots of Thoughtcrime there…..

  198. Dahlia says:

    Jefferson said:
    It is true that for serial killers there is a compulsive sexual motivation behind their madness. That is why most serial killers are lonely sexually frustrated Heterosexual men who either mostly or only kill women.

    Absolutely and emphatically false. I’m waylaid at the moment, but suggest finding a serial killer list and delve into random sexual histories. Multiple wives and girlfriends and often adulterous with prostitutes or one-night stands. Yes, even for the fuglies. Don’t take today’s, or your, frustrations and project them backwards.
    They were swimming in women.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, good point. Serial killers often tend to be psychopaths who are good at manipulating people and have the "dark triad" Machiavellian personality traits that women are attracted to. They can often be charming and charismatic in person. It's not unusual for them to have had lots of girlfriends, wives, hook-ups, etc.
  199. @Ron Unz

    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It’s very possible. I’d bet money on it, in fact.

    Maybe it’s time to write more posts about golf for a while.
     
    Now that's just plain silly. Anyone who bothers spending even five minutes looking at the actual statistics knows that the rate of black-against-white violence, killings, and outright massacres has been vastly, *vastly* greater for decades. Furthermore, an enormously stronger case can be made that this huge tide of innocent bloodshed has been aggravated or even substantially provoked by the totally dishonest news, tv, and film coverage of these sorts of racial issues, both present-day and historical, much like the old Stalinist media encouraged the ruthless annihilation of the kulaks. And I daresay that the combined audience of all the television networks plus Hollywood is somewhat greater than the readership of Steve's blog.

    So if Steve should be morally shamed into switching over to golf stories, I'd think the same should be true of every television and film director, while the pages of the NYT and all our other newspapers similarly feature nothing but wall-to-wall golf scores...

    I almost forgot:

    “With the possible exception of things like box scores, race results, and stock market tabulations, there is no such thing as Objective Journalism.” – Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail

  200. @Mr. Anon
    "Jefferson says

    It is true that for serial killers there is a compulsive sexual motivation behind their madness. That is why most serial killers are lonely sexually frustrated Heterosexual men who either mostly or only kill women.

    The Homosexual Jeffrey Dahmer is in the minority among serial killers and that zero of his victims were women, they were all men."

    Actually, you are quite wrong. There have been plenty of homosexual serial killers. Dahmer was not so rare as you make him out to be. Every heard of John Wayne Gacy? Wayne Williams? Carl Panzeram? I'm sure there were probably many others. The media today is dedicated to the proposition that all homosexual men are fabulous moral paragons, who are every woman's best friend, but that is not true. The fact is that there are plenty of violent, aggressive homosexuals, many of whom hate women.

    Neither is it true that serial killers are necessarily sexually frustrated. The Green River Killer regularly visited prostitutes (many of whom he murdered), and was married. Ted Bundy didn't seem to have any problem getting women, and he even had several steady girlfriends over the years. The BTK killer in Wichita was married.

    “The fact is that there are plenty of violent, aggressive homosexuals, many of whom hate women.”

    If that’s the case, then there also likely to be quite a few less extreme homosexuals who are on the political right, and oppose left-wing policies such as gay marriage, extreme feminism and mass immigration.

    Watch pushing homosexuals into a corner and encouraging them to identify as liberals.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    I can never understand why homosexuals usually identify with the left/liberal agenda. It would be understandable a few decades ago, when when homosexual activity was still illegal in some places and it was mostly liberals who wanted to change that. But that battle is over, and liberals want to open the borders to millions of non-whites, which can only make life worse for homosexuals in the long run. Try holding a Gay Pride parade in one of the Muslim enclaves of England or France.
  201. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…totally dishonest news, tv, and film coverage of these sorts of racial issues, both present-day and historical, much like the old Stalinist media encouraged the ruthless annihilation of the kulaks. And I daresay that the combined audience of all the television networks plus Hollywood is somewhat greater than the readership of Steve’s blog.”

    Yes, this could explain a good bit of recent history. “I went into journalism because I wanted to change the world…”

  202. @Rob McX
    Maybe the story is that poor whites are being left behind by affluent whites. More than a few are not working and doing drugs like I am assuming was the case with Roof.

    From Roof's manifesto:

    But what about the White people that are left behind? What about the White children who, because of school zoning laws, are forced to go to a school that is 90 percent black? Do we really think that that White kid will be able to go one day without being picked on for being White, or called a "white boy"? And who is fighting for him? Who is fighting for these White people forced by economic circumstances to live among negroes?

    I just left a comment or two over at Mother Jones on their article about his manifesto. I expressed disappointment that most of the comments were not responding to anything he actually said, and that in my opinion tensions were being inflamed by both sides of the political spectrum. Was there a grain of truth in anything he said, could his experiences have affected his views? But as carefully constructed so as not to appear ‘racist’ and as reasonable as my comments were I was blocked by the site in no time and all my comments were removed.

    What is interesting is that as anti-racism becomes more fanatical, the conflicts that result lead to these sorts of things receiving more air time (eg the comment about being a white minority in school you are quoting here or the posting of statistics on comment threads) even if they are not featured by MSM the word seems to be getting out. This causes more extreme pushback by anti-racists. I was really shocked at being blocked by MJ with such carefully worded, reasonable comments. It’s only going to get crazier I’m afraid.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Carefully worded and reasoned disagreement is not what Mother Jones is looking for....a rambling tirade, filled with spelling mistakes and obscenities is much better for them.

    Disagreement with the Mother Jones party line is a sign of malicious ignorance, if not full blown mental illness...It's never a result of sober observation and thought.

    , @Steve Richter
    I would like to know if Roof's comments about white kids being mistreated by blacks in high school were based on personal experience or from things he read on the web.
  203. Roof must be a regular on the Unz review.

  204. @unpc downunder
    "The fact is that there are plenty of violent, aggressive homosexuals, many of whom hate women."

    If that's the case, then there also likely to be quite a few less extreme homosexuals who are on the political right, and oppose left-wing policies such as gay marriage, extreme feminism and mass immigration.

    Watch pushing homosexuals into a corner and encouraging them to identify as liberals.

    I can never understand why homosexuals usually identify with the left/liberal agenda. It would be understandable a few decades ago, when when homosexual activity was still illegal in some places and it was mostly liberals who wanted to change that. But that battle is over, and liberals want to open the borders to millions of non-whites, which can only make life worse for homosexuals in the long run. Try holding a Gay Pride parade in one of the Muslim enclaves of England or France.

    • Replies: @Curle

    I can never understand why homosexuals usually identify with the left/liberal agenda.
     
    Those who are out do. I'd bet a large percent of the closeted ones are Republicans.

    Anyone who has ever hung around Republican circles can tell you they are thick on the ground. They have families, go to church but have another side to their lives. Weird hard to explain but frequent absences. D. Hastert, L. Graham and Foley aren't huge outliers.

    , @snorlax
    (White) gay men are actually one of the most clued-in groups there is; very much aware of the dangers of Muslim immigration, and not terribly impressed by the behavior of sexually aggressive blacks who will not take no for an answer. Also tend to be affluent, non-violent, hard-working and admirers of wealth and success (gay men will excitedly compliment someone on their sports car, fur coat or well-appointed residence, instead of coming up with some holier-than-thou putdown like, say, most lesbians would). Prior to the mid/late-20th century, gay men were almost exclusively associated with the right, and the reactionary right at that (High Tories, Catholic Church, Nazi Party, Goldwater campaign, etc.).

    So actually, yes, it is quite surprising in an abstract way why gay men make their political home where they do, and a minority of them (myself, for example) don't. But it's very, very hard to justify to myself with the charming individuals we see earlier in this thread, for example. I basically figure the iSteve crowd is the lesser evil mainly on the enemy-of-my-enemy basis and because they have no chance of actually winning, unlike the Muslims et al, who look to be enlightening us with their charming ways well into the future.
  205. @just saying
    From what I read, his uncle said he'd push the button if this kid gets the death penalty.

    Never said that he was a good kid who never got into no trouble, or that he was just a "gentle giant" or anything.

    What can explain this?

    Yeah “his uncle”, a guy who ran a sack race against him at a family picnic every 4 years. When his mother says it, we have a story.

  206. @josh
    You won't like the site, but here is a non-exhaustive list of 348 from 2014 each linked to a news article. So there were at least that many, probably significantly more.

    348 Josh, out of a population of +200 million?

  207. @josh
    I see where you are coming from (and presumably you are also making a sly joke since, obviously, black people do the same. There was a funny Chapel show sketch about this). But isn't it natural when somebody does something so far removed from our experience to speculate what could have led a person to such a decision. Sure, people tend to create narratives that fit their own biases about race, or society, or drugs, or handguns, or the media and video games, but it's only natural that people will give the matter some thought. It's not the same as making excuses.

    Yes, but the point is, this young man murdered a bunch of people and the narrative is:

    “well the poor guy was on drugs”
    “well he was abused growing up”
    “well the poor dear had no one to tell him me loved him”
    “well he grew up around blacks”
    “well he served time in prison and I just KNOW he got raped!”
    “he was just cleaning his gun in the church when it went off”
    “he dindu nuffn!”

    If these excuses are valid, then I guess you know why black people use them, and if they are invalid for one, they are invalid for all. If they are valid for one, they are valid for all, or at least, that’s the way smart people would view it.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2284890/Joliet-murders-Teens-3-way-sex-bodies-men-strangled.html

    • Replies: @David In TN
    See my comment No. 169.
  208. @Mr. Anon
    The first picuture I saw online of this miscreant showed him in orange jail garb, so he has done some time in jail. What could have happend in a jail that might have pre-disposed him against black people? Nothing, I'm sure.

    Not that it excuses his crimes. And if he wanted to get back at black felons, he could have shot some no-good gang-bangers, rather than innocent, peaceable church-going folk who never harmed anyone. But since the press dug into Omar Thornton's motivations as possible explanations, why don't they do the same with this murderer?

    By the way, I hope he swings. And good riddance to bad trash.

    What could have happend in a jail that might have pre-disposed him against black people? Nothing, I’m sure.

    Grasshopper, all you ever do around here is take the side of your white Dindu Nuffins criminal brothers, and excuse their behavior.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Truth says:

    @Mr. Anon

    ""What could have happend in a jail that might have pre-disposed him against black people? Nothing, I’m sure.""

    Grasshopper, all you ever do around here is take the side of your white Dindu Nuffins criminal brothers, and excuse their behavior.

    Of course, nothing could be further from the truth (but then, everything said by the commenter known as "Truth" is far from the truth). I merely pointed out the hypocrisy of the MSM - that they are quick to find exculpatory motives for black murderers - a courtesy they deny to white murderers. I even said that I hope this evil louse hangs.

    You however, never heard of a black criminal you can't excuse, you foul cockroach.
  209. @Wilkey
    When I heard about the shootings my first hope was that a trial would be unnecessary - that Roof would take his own life or be killed in a shootout. I like efficiency, and Roof deserves to die. But if it's true that Roof grew up in a heavily black neighborhood, then a trial featuring Roofs description of life in a heavily black neighborhood may be the last thing the Left wants. And there will probably be a trial - the evidence is undeniable, he has confessed, but he will not accept the death penalty in a plea bargain, yet the public will demand it. An account of the daily racism harassment experienced by whites in black neighborhoods will be eye-opening.

    An account of the daily racism harassment experienced by whites in black neighborhoods will be eye-opening.

    Please see post #77

  210. @Matra
    He's already more famous than Omar Thornton. I'd say even before he was apprehended he might've been more famous than Thornton.

    BTW why were there victim impact statement at his arraignment? Is that normal in that particular state or just another example of special rules for blacks?

    He’s already more famous than Omar Thornton. I’d say even before he was apprehended he might’ve been more famous than Thornton.

    Of course you have a sophisticated mathematical matrix to back this up.

    • Replies: @Matra
    A sophisticated mathematical matrix is hardly required. There are already 10 times as many hits for Roof than Omar Thornton on Google. All week your TV network news & talk shows have led with the church shooting. They didn't do any of that for Thornton or his victims. It's the same internationally. The BBC News search feature turns up just one breaking story on Thornton. There are loads for Roof. But go ahead and argue that Thornton's crime is just as famous as it will highlight for all here just how delusional you are.
  211. At least three killed in Austria after man drives into crowd before ‘stabbing passers-by’ in Graz

    A seven-year-old boy is reportedly among the three people killed in Austria by a man who ploughed his car into crowds in the country’s second-largest city and then reportedly started stabbing people.

    More than 30 pedestrians, including three children, were hurt at several locations during the rampage and 10 victims were in hospital with serious injuries. One patient was in a critical condition on Saturday afternoon.

    What kind of barbarians are these Europeans? It’s time for car control. We should ban cars, they’re too dangerous. Cars might have made sense back when they were invented, but there’s no place for them in a modern, civilized society any more.

  212. @matt
    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It's very possible. I'd bet money on it, in fact.

    Maybe it's time to write more posts about golf for a while.

    There is no evidence that this gentleman was reading Sailer’s blog, although I don’t think it would be a HUGE shock to anyone, and besides, race-baiting multiple times a day is so much fun!

  213. @Pure and Easy
    Thanks for saying well what is very true.

    So many times on this website I see people go on an on about IQs and how the higher average IQs of whites and asians make them better citizens etc. I've always thought those who go on about their IQs aren't dumb, but also are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. They don't come from the same place as the crazy ass wipe who shot up the church but share his ideology. It's wrong and dangerous.

    Nonsense. The IQ ‘debate’ happens because NAMs constantly whinge about their inability to advance in line with their expectations.

    The shooter and his ilk do not read sites like this. He wouldn’t understand it. We do not even know if he thought the victims his intellectual inferiors. He was mad and bad but if you want to find something that will drive the weak-brained even crazier: how about the anti-white race baiting indulged in by the political and media elites in the face of a different reality that this twisted young man likely knew?

  214. @SPMoore8
    The cure offered by that book would be worse than the disease, if one has a progressive agenda. This is old time "rock music is turning our daughters into sluts" conservatism. Good luck with that.

    In fact, the mass killing by this young man seems to have been inspired by the Trayvon Martin case, and by his discovery that black violence towards whites is greater than the reverse. Now either those statistics are accurate or they are not, but if we seriously believe that statistics on black and white crime are the cause of mass murder, then we might as well say that we should ban the Beatles' White Album, since clearly it inspired Charles Manson and his murders, due to his idiosyncratic reading of the "text."

    What we in fact have is a situation in which the MSM fastidiously downplays the racial factor in any killing, which is part of the reason sites like this exist, to allow people to vent about facts that the MSM ignores.

    Again, if their is any fact value to racial crime statistics, they either are, or are not true. If true, they should be allowed to stand. If false, they should have it explained why they are false, and should still be allowed to stand. However, suggesting the "idea" of black white crime statistics as causative of violence such as this case, is to suggest that censoring such statistics will prevent such mass murders. That is not only objectively false, but it suggests that censorship will solve this sort of thing. It will not.

    The real issue is not black-white crime statistics but what to do about it. No one here has ever offered up the "idea" of mass murder. What I have seen is some discussion about it being a problem.

    In reality, Roof was just an alienated young man of the type going back to Raskolnikov or before who gets an idea to do something big to change the world, and ends up doing nothing more than committing some sordid ugly murders. What do with people like that is a relevant question. The rest is just nothing.

    In reality, Roof was just an alienated young man of the type going back to Raskolnikov or before who gets an idea to do something big to change the world,

    Yup, he and Latalvis Cobbins. Oh wait, he only murdered 1/2 a person per capita, this guy outdid him by a factor of 18.

  215. Roof looks like your typical village idiot. Not an isteve reader for sure.

  216. @matt
    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It's very possible. I'd bet money on it, in fact.

    Maybe it's time to write more posts about golf for a while.

    It’s extremely unlikely that Roof read iSteve. A guy like that would be bored here. Stormfront wouldn’t surpirse me though.

    • Replies: @matt
    The genteel intellectual racists come up with the talking points for the Stormtroopers. It's like the relationship between neocon Catholic and Jewish intellectuals and Evangelical voters in the Republican party.
  217. @Buffalo Joe
    Posted this before, but the "Zebra" murders in and around San Francisco, 14 for sure, some say 70 plus, were the work of black males targeting whites, solely because they were white. I don't remember the "Zebra" murders, and my wife who lived in SF at the time doesn't either. Zodiac was the killer news story.

    A couple of years ago the San Francisco Chronicle had a little article on famous murders in the Bay Area. It briefly mentioned the Zebra Killers, vaguely referring to their murders as possibly racially-motivated without specifying which way their “possible” racism went (i.e., black to white), no doubt leaving it up to the readers to assume that they were White Power neo-Nazis murdering black folk.

  218. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dahlia
    Jefferson said:
    It is true that for serial killers there is a compulsive sexual motivation behind their madness. That is why most serial killers are lonely sexually frustrated Heterosexual men who either mostly or only kill women.

    Absolutely and emphatically false. I'm waylaid at the moment, but suggest finding a serial killer list and delve into random sexual histories. Multiple wives and girlfriends and often adulterous with prostitutes or one-night stands. Yes, even for the fuglies. Don't take today's, or your, frustrations and project them backwards.
    They were swimming in women.

    Yes, good point. Serial killers often tend to be psychopaths who are good at manipulating people and have the “dark triad” Machiavellian personality traits that women are attracted to. They can often be charming and charismatic in person. It’s not unusual for them to have had lots of girlfriends, wives, hook-ups, etc.

    • Replies: @Jimorbid
    I think that's a pretty poor point, actually. I've read a fair amount about serial killers, and the only once I can think of off the top of my head who was smooth with women was Ted Bundy. Homos and sexual losers/deviants are wildly overrepresented among serial killers for sure.
  219. @matt
    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It's very possible. I'd bet money on it, in fact.

    Maybe it's time to write more posts about golf for a while.

    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It’s very possible. I’d bet money on it, in fact.

    Probably a reaction to reading your comments. Might want to up your game. Not producing desired results.

  220. @Rob McX
    I can never understand why homosexuals usually identify with the left/liberal agenda. It would be understandable a few decades ago, when when homosexual activity was still illegal in some places and it was mostly liberals who wanted to change that. But that battle is over, and liberals want to open the borders to millions of non-whites, which can only make life worse for homosexuals in the long run. Try holding a Gay Pride parade in one of the Muslim enclaves of England or France.

    I can never understand why homosexuals usually identify with the left/liberal agenda.

    Those who are out do. I’d bet a large percent of the closeted ones are Republicans.

    Anyone who has ever hung around Republican circles can tell you they are thick on the ground. They have families, go to church but have another side to their lives. Weird hard to explain but frequent absences. D. Hastert, L. Graham and Foley aren’t huge outliers.

  221. Nobody goes postal anymore.

    Pity.

    Back in the day, when I wanted to intimidate someone I would adopt my best Clint Eastwood squint and tell them with as much menace as I could muster – “I used to work for the Post Office”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "Nobody goes postal anymore."

    They go twitter.
  222. Some massacres committed by African Americans we haven’t mentioned yet, from Mother Jones‘s compendium of mass murders (which they consider four or more):

    –September 1988. Ronald Lee Williams‬. Killed 4.
    –June 1990. James Edward Pough. Killed 12.
    –December 1993. Nathan Dunlap. Killed 4.
    –February 1996. Clifton McCree. Killed 5.
    –September 1997. Hastings Arthur Wise. Killed 4.
    –February 2001. William D. Baker. Killed 4.
    –February 2008. Charles “Cookie” Lee Thornton. Killed 6.
    –March 2009. Lovelle Mixon. Killed 4 police officers.
    –November 2009. Maurice Clemmons. Killed 4 police officers.
    –April 2013. Dennis Clark. Killed 5.

    Details of these murders can be found at Murderpedia. I’m pretty sure we’ve exceeded the dozen black mass murderers in recent decades that Ron Unz referred to and that Truth challenged us to find.

  223. @Hal

    There shouldn’t be a violent “correction” and there won’t be either a non-violent or violent “correction”.

     

    ...followed by arbitrary depiction of two distinct groups known as elite whites and non-elite whites. Suggests someone doesn't understand that rational people value children, food and stability over pleasing social nanny. Raises question, which group populates Denmark?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/anti-immigrant-party-gains-in-denmark-elections/

    Answer: Neither. Both. There are not two distinct groups. There is a continuum.

    Thank you for illustrating my point.

    In the U.S. – the only country I was referring to – there isn’t that much overlap between elite whites (and their helpers/dupes/profiteers) and non-elite whites. Those aren’t arbitrary distinctions either: it’s not like someone who works for one of Soros’ NGOs is going to side with non-elite whites on immigration. There’s a very bright line between Jim Bob in his Tuscaloosa trailer getting duped by FreedomWorks, and a professional couple enjoying the low rate on their illegal alien nanny in Frisco.

    By excusing the current situation of non-elite whites doing incredibly stupid things and by holding out the false hope of something like the Danish elections in the U.S. you’re *helping* the bad guys.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Non-elite whites" seem less florid, morbid and degraded (to a first approximation) than the more self-hating fashionable toad-eating chatterati. Then there is that one C. S. Lewis quote, to the effect that the easiest people to fool are the ones who read the newspapers.
    I'm wondering what the one main bad activity of the non-elite whites might be, in your view.
    , @Hal
    Hal said

    …followed by arbitrary depiction of two distinct groups known as elite whites and non-elite whites. Suggests someone doesn’t understand that rational people value children, food and stability over pleasing social nanny. Raises question, which group populates Denmark?

    dot dot dot

    Answer: Neither. Both. There are not two distinct groups. There is a continuum.
     
    and then extra-Y-chromosome said...

    In the U.S. – the only country I was referring to – there isn’t that much overlap between elite whites (and their helpers/dupes/profiteers) and non-elite whites.
     
    .. and somehow not understanding that there is not

    a very bright line between Jim Bob in his Tuscaloosa trailer getting duped by FreedomWorks, and a professional couple enjoying the low rate on their illegal alien nanny in Frisco.
     
    because as Hal said, thrice now,

    Rational people value children, food and stability over pleasing social nanny.
     
    Extra-Y-chromosome exhibits rigid thinking. Bright lines delineate social groups. Current fossil fuel excesses will continue without decline forever (because infinity) and there will never be a correction, adjustment, change of any kind because that's how it has been for 5,790 years! There is a gap between sub-elite white IQ's (85-100) and the rarified elite statosbolosphere of XYY (145-500). I'm forgetting something.....oh yes:

    By excusing the current situation of non-elite whites doing incredibly stupid things and by holding out the false hope of something like the Danish elections in the U.S. you’re *helping* the bad guys.
     
    There are baaaaad guys.
  224. @Pat Boyle
    Nobody goes postal anymore.

    Pity.

    Back in the day, when I wanted to intimidate someone I would adopt my best Clint Eastwood squint and tell them with as much menace as I could muster - "I used to work for the Post Office".

    “Nobody goes postal anymore.”

    They go twitter.

  225. It’s good that he wrote a manifesto.

  226. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @matt
    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It's very possible. I'd bet money on it, in fact.

    Maybe it's time to write more posts about golf for a while.

    I doubt he was a reader. I don’t think the 9th grade dropout would’ve found the blog interesting enough to keep his attention. However, in his manifesto he writes things like, “Negroes have lower Iqs, lower impulse control, and higher testosterone levels in generals,” which is obviously an HBD type formulation that he didn’t come up with by himself but read about online somewhere.

    • Replies: @matt
    Stuff trickles out.
  227. @syonredux

    The shooting is statistically insignificant. White on black murders are rare

    Really, how many were there last year?
     
    American homicides are very much intra-racial in nature:

    The 2013 FBI Uniform Crime Report, a compilation of annual crime statistics, also shows similar data: 83 percent of white victims were killed by white offenders; 90 percent of black victims were killed by black offenders; 14 percent of white victims were killed by black offenders; and 7.6 percent of black victims were killed by white offenders.
     
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/11/25/giulianis-claim-that-93-percent-of-blacks-are-killed-by-other-blacks/


    90% of Black Murder victims were killed by other Blacks

    83% of White Murder victims were killed by other Whites

    7.6 % of Black Murder victims were killed by Whites

    14% of White Murder victims were killed by Blacks

    Are Hispanics counted as whites in these figures?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Are Hispanics counted as whites in these figures?
     
    Dunno.Quite possibly.
  228. @Anonymous
    I doubt he was a reader. I don't think the 9th grade dropout would've found the blog interesting enough to keep his attention. However, in his manifesto he writes things like, "Negroes have lower Iqs, lower impulse control, and higher testosterone levels in generals," which is obviously an HBD type formulation that he didn't come up with by himself but read about online somewhere.

    Stuff trickles out.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Stuff trickles out.
     
    Things need to be confined to the Inner Party, eh?
  229. @Glossy
    It's extremely unlikely that Roof read iSteve. A guy like that would be bored here. Stormfront wouldn't surpirse me though.

    The genteel intellectual racists come up with the talking points for the Stormtroopers. It’s like the relationship between neocon Catholic and Jewish intellectuals and Evangelical voters in the Republican party.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    The genteel intellectual racists come up with the talking points for the Stormtroopers. It’s like the relationship between neocon Catholic and Jewish intellectuals and Evangelical voters in the Republican party.
     
    MMM, if only "genteel intellectual racists" were as influential as "neocon Catholic and Jewish intellectuals".....
  230. matt says:

    The saddest part about this whole thing is that Rhodesia will be less cool now. Apparently, even dumb crackers with bowl cuts and dead looks in their eyes have heard about Rhodesia. Hipster fascists will have to find some other retro 70s racist state to idolize. But what’s left? Portuguese Angola? But that’s so boring

    • Replies: @gruff

    The saddest part about this whole thing is that Rhodesia will be less cool now. Apparently, even dumb crackers with bowl cuts and dead looks in their eyes have heard about Rhodesia. Hipster fascists will have to find some other retro 70s racist state to idolize. But what’s left? Portuguese Angola? But that’s so boring…
     
    Singapore!
    , @Jefferson
    "The saddest part about this whole thing is that Rhodesia will be less cool now. Apparently, even dumb crackers with bowl cuts and dead looks in their eyes have heard about Rhodesia. Hipster fascists will have to find some other retro 70s racist state to idolize. But what’s left? Portuguese Angola? But that’s so boring…"

    There is the current situation in The Dominican Republic, where lot of Haitians are being deported back to Haiti. But that one is going to be hard to put the blame on White people because it is Dominican Mulattoes "discriminating" against Black as midnight Haitians. But I suppose the Left Wing Megaphone in America could spin the story and refer to these Dominican Mulattoes as "White Hispanics" who are discriminating against poor little innocent Haitian Negroes who ain't do nuthin, except of course violate another country's immigration laws.
  231. @matt
    So if Steve should be morally shamed into switching over to golf stories, I’d think the same should be true of every television and film director, while the pages of the NYT and all our other newspapers similarly feature nothing but wall-to-wall golf scores…

    I'd prefer pro-wrestling recaps, personally.

    I’d prefer pro-wrestling recaps, personally.

    Plenty of room for HBD crimethink in that area, dear fellow….

  232. @matt
    Are Hispanics counted as whites in these figures?

    Are Hispanics counted as whites in these figures?

    Dunno.Quite possibly.

  233. @matt
    The genteel intellectual racists come up with the talking points for the Stormtroopers. It's like the relationship between neocon Catholic and Jewish intellectuals and Evangelical voters in the Republican party.

    The genteel intellectual racists come up with the talking points for the Stormtroopers. It’s like the relationship between neocon Catholic and Jewish intellectuals and Evangelical voters in the Republican party.

    MMM, if only “genteel intellectual racists” were as influential as “neocon Catholic and Jewish intellectuals”…..

  234. @matt
    Stuff trickles out.

    Stuff trickles out.

    Things need to be confined to the Inner Party, eh?

  235. @Anonymous
    Yes, good point. Serial killers often tend to be psychopaths who are good at manipulating people and have the "dark triad" Machiavellian personality traits that women are attracted to. They can often be charming and charismatic in person. It's not unusual for them to have had lots of girlfriends, wives, hook-ups, etc.

    I think that’s a pretty poor point, actually. I’ve read a fair amount about serial killers, and the only once I can think of off the top of my head who was smooth with women was Ted Bundy. Homos and sexual losers/deviants are wildly overrepresented among serial killers for sure.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Most serial killers aren't national news, but local. You won't get a representative sample from the national news.
  236. @Truth
    Yes, but the point is, this young man murdered a bunch of people and the narrative is:

    "well the poor guy was on drugs"
    "well he was abused growing up"
    "well the poor dear had no one to tell him me loved him"
    "well he grew up around blacks"
    "well he served time in prison and I just KNOW he got raped!"
    "he was just cleaning his gun in the church when it went off"
    "he dindu nuffn!"

    If these excuses are valid, then I guess you know why black people use them, and if they are invalid for one, they are invalid for all. If they are valid for one, they are valid for all, or at least, that's the way smart people would view it.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2284890/Joliet-murders-Teens-3-way-sex-bodies-men-strangled.html

    See my comment No. 169.

  237. @L7's
    Have any of the stevemunity actually looked into the surreal sandyhook shootings. Nothing about it seems legit.in the last few years the idea of media supported psyops seems more and more real .....I mean if you can overlook inconvenient truths that don't support the "narrative " year after year is it really so inconceivable that you might create a few stories to further the agenda. ..actually sounds kind of fun.

    I’m with you on this one, L7. The list of major dubious events includes Sandy Hook, Boston, and now this weird story. The press is really letting us down – no one pays any attention to the many points raised on the net by serious people who study these events carefully.

  238. @Jimorbid
    I think that's a pretty poor point, actually. I've read a fair amount about serial killers, and the only once I can think of off the top of my head who was smooth with women was Ted Bundy. Homos and sexual losers/deviants are wildly overrepresented among serial killers for sure.

    Most serial killers aren’t national news, but local. You won’t get a representative sample from the national news.

  239. @Rob McX
    I can never understand why homosexuals usually identify with the left/liberal agenda. It would be understandable a few decades ago, when when homosexual activity was still illegal in some places and it was mostly liberals who wanted to change that. But that battle is over, and liberals want to open the borders to millions of non-whites, which can only make life worse for homosexuals in the long run. Try holding a Gay Pride parade in one of the Muslim enclaves of England or France.

    (White) gay men are actually one of the most clued-in groups there is; very much aware of the dangers of Muslim immigration, and not terribly impressed by the behavior of sexually aggressive blacks who will not take no for an answer. Also tend to be affluent, non-violent, hard-working and admirers of wealth and success (gay men will excitedly compliment someone on their sports car, fur coat or well-appointed residence, instead of coming up with some holier-than-thou putdown like, say, most lesbians would). Prior to the mid/late-20th century, gay men were almost exclusively associated with the right, and the reactionary right at that (High Tories, Catholic Church, Nazi Party, Goldwater campaign, etc.).

    So actually, yes, it is quite surprising in an abstract way why gay men make their political home where they do, and a minority of them (myself, for example) don’t. But it’s very, very hard to justify to myself with the charming individuals we see earlier in this thread, for example. I basically figure the iSteve crowd is the lesser evil mainly on the enemy-of-my-enemy basis and because they have no chance of actually winning, unlike the Muslims et al, who look to be enlightening us with their charming ways well into the future.

  240. @Truth
    "A few decades" is a 100 year time frame?

    Ron said of massacres against blacks, “I think you’d need to go back to the 1920s or 1930s for anything comparable or larger.” That’s close enough to 100 years for me. The “last few decades” time frame is for massacres by blacks, which, of course, includes something that took place 31 years ago.

    Even here at Unz.com, we have a more lenient standard for blacks. Spend more time reading and less shooting from your hip, Truth, and you may just meet it.

    • Replies: @Truth
    When I think "few" I generally think "three" bro, which gives us a window that opened in 1985...

    "Missed it byyyyyyyyy THAT much*"



    (*It's an old man's reference. Mr. Anon will explain it to you.)
  241. Ed says:
    @matt
    Is it possible that Roof read this blog at at least some point? It's very possible. I'd bet money on it, in fact.

    Maybe it's time to write more posts about golf for a while.

    He probably has but I think he probably got much of his stuff from SBPDL. SBPDL is big on black people taking over, calls it “BRA”, not sure what the acronyms means but the general theme of the blog is that black criminality is ignored by the media while blacks create dysfunction and kill whites.

    I’ve read comments on there by posters saying they found his site by searching for XYZ. So I could see a Dylan stumbling on it. Also SBPDL has received some mainstream mention with none other than NPR referring to a story. I think Sowell gave his blog an approving nod in an article.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    Yes, Thomas Sowell once mentionned the webmaster of SBPDL at this column, a guy nicknamed Paul Kersey and Takimag did have an article written in 2011 about it as well. http://takimag.com/article/the_charles_bronson_of_race
  242. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I find the people here denying that he may have read Steve’s articles to be disingenuous. As has been mentioned here before his manifesto could have been posted verbatim as a comment on one of Steve’s articles and it would not have seemed out of place at all.

    If he didn’t read Steve, he could have read any number of other HBD posters that make up the community.

    But so what? Crazy people can be set off by any idea. Just look at all those crazy environmentalists.

    What we talk about here is not mainstream, and it stands to reason that there will be extreme people attracted to the ideas here. That’s why I never use racial slurs or express hatred here. You never know who you will set off.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Who fucking cares if he read or didn't read Steve's or any other blog. Somebody who writes an article isn't responsible for the actions of everyone who reads it.

    If we want to hold people to that standard than the NY times should be forced to shut down immediately...and I'm all for that.

    Leftists are always jerking each other off about how they appreciate all the 'nuance' and 'complexity' that the average person is too stupid to pick up on....I think you may actually be the stupid one here.

    I think you are missing the fact that the writers you attack are actually putting their livelihoods and reputations on the line to AVOID these sorts of atrocities, not to incite them.
    , @anonymous

    You never know who you will set off.
     
    We can't tailor all discussion around the misunderstandings of schizophrenics. Since this particular person has had typical negative experiences with blacks in real life then that's the probable cause for his actions.
  243. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @24AheadDotCom
    Thank you for illustrating my point.

    In the U.S. - the only country I was referring to - there isn't that much overlap between elite whites (and their helpers/dupes/profiteers) and non-elite whites. Those aren't arbitrary distinctions either: it's not like someone who works for one of Soros' NGOs is going to side with non-elite whites on immigration. There's a very bright line between Jim Bob in his Tuscaloosa trailer getting duped by FreedomWorks, and a professional couple enjoying the low rate on their illegal alien nanny in Frisco.

    By excusing the current situation of non-elite whites doing incredibly stupid things and by holding out the false hope of something like the Danish elections in the U.S. you're *helping* the bad guys.

    “Non-elite whites” seem less florid, morbid and degraded (to a first approximation) than the more self-hating fashionable toad-eating chatterati. Then there is that one C. S. Lewis quote, to the effect that the easiest people to fool are the ones who read the newspapers.
    I’m wondering what the one main bad activity of the non-elite whites might be, in your view.

  244. If we are honest, we have to admit this was the first HBD massacre in US history.

  245. I don’t think that the vile murderer (I refuse to mention his name and so give him the notoriety he obviously craves) was a regular reader of isteve, or perhaps that he has ever read it. He says that he read CofCC. Perhaps he also read AmRen and SBPDL. He is only a callow youth of 21, and he has clearly absorbed some stuff written by people who are wiser, and perhaps smarter, than he is.

    • Replies: @Anon
    He sounds like he read me.
    , @Truth

    He is only a callow youth of 21,
     
    LMFAO! You can't help making excuses for your Dindu Nuffin cousin even AFTER I point it out to you!
  246. @Truth

    What could have happend in a jail that might have pre-disposed him against black people? Nothing, I’m sure.
     
    Grasshopper, all you ever do around here is take the side of your white Dindu Nuffins criminal brothers, and excuse their behavior.

    “Truth says:

    “”What could have happend in a jail that might have pre-disposed him against black people? Nothing, I’m sure.””

    Grasshopper, all you ever do around here is take the side of your white Dindu Nuffins criminal brothers, and excuse their behavior.

    Of course, nothing could be further from the truth (but then, everything said by the commenter known as “Truth” is far from the truth). I merely pointed out the hypocrisy of the MSM – that they are quick to find exculpatory motives for black murderers – a courtesy they deny to white murderers. I even said that I hope this evil louse hangs.

    You however, never heard of a black criminal you can’t excuse, you foul cockroach.

    • Replies: @Truth

    that they are quick to find exculpatory motives for black murderers – a courtesy they deny to white murderers.
     
    Your post, again:


    What could have happend in a jail that might have pre-disposed him against black people? Nothing, I’m sure.
     
    exculpatory motive found; and quickly! Good job. I've heard your boy was an aspiring rapper and basketball player on the honor roll too!
  247. @Mr. Anon
    I don't think that the vile murderer (I refuse to mention his name and so give him the notoriety he obviously craves) was a regular reader of isteve, or perhaps that he has ever read it. He says that he read CofCC. Perhaps he also read AmRen and SBPDL. He is only a callow youth of 21, and he has clearly absorbed some stuff written by people who are wiser, and perhaps smarter, than he is.

    He sounds like he read me.

  248. @Svigor
    Mike Smith does drop an interesting link in that blog post:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_James_Church_massacre

    Four black terrorists entered a white church and started shooting, killing 11 and wounding 58. A white congregant with a gun returned fire, wounding one of the blacks, who then abandoned their plan to firebomb the church and fled.

    Oh hey, wrong country but “E” for effort.

  249. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I completely agree with 240. Anonymous. It is thoroughly disingenuous to believe that anyone with enough intellectual capacity to act on his thoughts about race by purposely attacking one of the oldest black churches in the country, in a historic Southern city, with a prominent state politician as its leader, was not an avid reader of isteve. His stepmother has indicated that his interest in this area (“Internet evil” being her words), goes back at least 7 years – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132886/Woman-raised-accused-Charleston-shooter-Dylann-Roof-says-led-astray-Internet-evil.html

    Similar to corporations, I really think that Steve should develop a crisis management plan to respond to incidents like this. I am not saying that free speech/crimethink is the cause of violence but what the HBD community is dealing with is perceptions– what the public thinks happened. Planning for perception will allow him to protect his credibility within receptive parts of the mainstream (e.g. Brooks,). “Our side” can not make the mistake of waiting until a crisis occurs to plan a reaction (see Council of Conservative Citizens – their response to their work being cited as a casus belli in Roof’s manifesto has been simply to take down website, not substantively defend themselves). Being prepared ahead of time will give Steve the greatest chance to weather a crisis. Lets start a list of suggestions for Steve on such a plan

  250. @tomv
    Ron said of massacres against blacks, "I think you’d need to go back to the 1920s or 1930s for anything comparable or larger." That's close enough to 100 years for me. The "last few decades" time frame is for massacres by blacks, which, of course, includes something that took place 31 years ago.

    Even here at Unz.com, we have a more lenient standard for blacks. Spend more time reading and less shooting from your hip, Truth, and you may just meet it.

    When I think “few” I generally think “three” bro, which gives us a window that opened in 1985…

    “Missed it byyyyyyyyy THAT much*”

    (*It’s an old man’s reference. Mr. Anon will explain it to you.)

  251. @Mr. Anon
    "Truth says:

    @Mr. Anon

    ""What could have happend in a jail that might have pre-disposed him against black people? Nothing, I’m sure.""

    Grasshopper, all you ever do around here is take the side of your white Dindu Nuffins criminal brothers, and excuse their behavior.

    Of course, nothing could be further from the truth (but then, everything said by the commenter known as "Truth" is far from the truth). I merely pointed out the hypocrisy of the MSM - that they are quick to find exculpatory motives for black murderers - a courtesy they deny to white murderers. I even said that I hope this evil louse hangs.

    You however, never heard of a black criminal you can't excuse, you foul cockroach.

    that they are quick to find exculpatory motives for black murderers – a courtesy they deny to white murderers.

    Your post, again:

    What could have happend in a jail that might have pre-disposed him against black people? Nothing, I’m sure.

    exculpatory motive found; and quickly! Good job. I’ve heard your boy was an aspiring rapper and basketball player on the honor roll too!

  252. @Mr. Anon
    CofCC's website is now unreachable. They were mentioned in the murderer's "manifesto".

    “CofCC’s website is now unreachable.”

    They are back.

  253. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Casey
    I just left a comment or two over at Mother Jones on their article about his manifesto. I expressed disappointment that most of the comments were not responding to anything he actually said, and that in my opinion tensions were being inflamed by both sides of the political spectrum. Was there a grain of truth in anything he said, could his experiences have affected his views? But as carefully constructed so as not to appear 'racist' and as reasonable as my comments were I was blocked by the site in no time and all my comments were removed.

    What is interesting is that as anti-racism becomes more fanatical, the conflicts that result lead to these sorts of things receiving more air time (eg the comment about being a white minority in school you are quoting here or the posting of statistics on comment threads) even if they are not featured by MSM the word seems to be getting out. This causes more extreme pushback by anti-racists. I was really shocked at being blocked by MJ with such carefully worded, reasonable comments. It's only going to get crazier I'm afraid.

    Carefully worded and reasoned disagreement is not what Mother Jones is looking for….a rambling tirade, filled with spelling mistakes and obscenities is much better for them.

    Disagreement with the Mother Jones party line is a sign of malicious ignorance, if not full blown mental illness…It’s never a result of sober observation and thought.

  254. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I find the people here denying that he may have read Steve's articles to be disingenuous. As has been mentioned here before his manifesto could have been posted verbatim as a comment on one of Steve's articles and it would not have seemed out of place at all.

    If he didn't read Steve, he could have read any number of other HBD posters that make up the community.

    But so what? Crazy people can be set off by any idea. Just look at all those crazy environmentalists.

    What we talk about here is not mainstream, and it stands to reason that there will be extreme people attracted to the ideas here. That's why I never use racial slurs or express hatred here. You never know who you will set off.

    Who fucking cares if he read or didn’t read Steve’s or any other blog. Somebody who writes an article isn’t responsible for the actions of everyone who reads it.

    If we want to hold people to that standard than the NY times should be forced to shut down immediately…and I’m all for that.

    Leftists are always jerking each other off about how they appreciate all the ‘nuance’ and ‘complexity’ that the average person is too stupid to pick up on….I think you may actually be the stupid one here.

    I think you are missing the fact that the writers you attack are actually putting their livelihoods and reputations on the line to AVOID these sorts of atrocities, not to incite them.

    • Replies: @Truth

    Who fucking cares if he read or didn’t read Steve’s or any other blog. Somebody who writes an article isn’t responsible for the actions of everyone who reads it.

     

    Al called me up after reading your post; he's quite happy he finally has a friend here:

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/al-sharpton-led-his-first-anti-semitic-race-riot-crown-heights-twenty-three-years-ago-today
  255. @Anonymous
    I find the people here denying that he may have read Steve's articles to be disingenuous. As has been mentioned here before his manifesto could have been posted verbatim as a comment on one of Steve's articles and it would not have seemed out of place at all.

    If he didn't read Steve, he could have read any number of other HBD posters that make up the community.

    But so what? Crazy people can be set off by any idea. Just look at all those crazy environmentalists.

    What we talk about here is not mainstream, and it stands to reason that there will be extreme people attracted to the ideas here. That's why I never use racial slurs or express hatred here. You never know who you will set off.

    You never know who you will set off.

    We can’t tailor all discussion around the misunderstandings of schizophrenics. Since this particular person has had typical negative experiences with blacks in real life then that’s the probable cause for his actions.

    • Replies: @Truth

    Since this particular person has had typical negative experiences with blacks in real life then that’s the probable cause for his actions.
     
    He DINDU NUFFFFFFFFFFFINNNNNNNNN!
  256. Hal says:
    @24AheadDotCom
    Thank you for illustrating my point.

    In the U.S. - the only country I was referring to - there isn't that much overlap between elite whites (and their helpers/dupes/profiteers) and non-elite whites. Those aren't arbitrary distinctions either: it's not like someone who works for one of Soros' NGOs is going to side with non-elite whites on immigration. There's a very bright line between Jim Bob in his Tuscaloosa trailer getting duped by FreedomWorks, and a professional couple enjoying the low rate on their illegal alien nanny in Frisco.

    By excusing the current situation of non-elite whites doing incredibly stupid things and by holding out the false hope of something like the Danish elections in the U.S. you're *helping* the bad guys.

    Hal said

    …followed by arbitrary depiction of two distinct groups known as elite whites and non-elite whites. Suggests someone doesn’t understand that rational people value children, food and stability over pleasing social nanny. Raises question, which group populates Denmark?

    dot dot dot

    Answer: Neither. Both. There are not two distinct groups. There is a continuum.

    and then extra-Y-chromosome said…

    In the U.S. – the only country I was referring to – there isn’t that much overlap between elite whites (and their helpers/dupes/profiteers) and non-elite whites.

    .. and somehow not understanding that there is not

    a very bright line between Jim Bob in his Tuscaloosa trailer getting duped by FreedomWorks, and a professional couple enjoying the low rate on their illegal alien nanny in Frisco.

    because as Hal said, thrice now,

    Rational people value children, food and stability over pleasing social nanny.

    Extra-Y-chromosome exhibits rigid thinking. Bright lines delineate social groups. Current fossil fuel excesses will continue without decline forever (because infinity) and there will never be a correction, adjustment, change of any kind because that’s how it has been for 5,790 years! There is a gap between sub-elite white IQ’s (85-100) and the rarified elite statosbolosphere of XYY (145-500). I’m forgetting something…..oh yes:

    By excusing the current situation of non-elite whites doing incredibly stupid things and by holding out the false hope of something like the Danish elections in the U.S. you’re *helping* the bad guys.

    There are baaaaad guys.

  257. @Mr. Anon
    The first picuture I saw online of this miscreant showed him in orange jail garb, so he has done some time in jail. What could have happend in a jail that might have pre-disposed him against black people? Nothing, I'm sure.

    Not that it excuses his crimes. And if he wanted to get back at black felons, he could have shot some no-good gang-bangers, rather than innocent, peaceable church-going folk who never harmed anyone. But since the press dug into Omar Thornton's motivations as possible explanations, why don't they do the same with this murderer?

    By the way, I hope he swings. And good riddance to bad trash.

    And if he wanted to get back at black felons, he could have shot some no-good gang-bangers, rather than innocent, peaceable church-going folk who never harmed anyone.

    Here’s a website I bookmarked a while back but never visited again until now:

    http://charlestonthuglife.net/

  258. @Perspective
    A completely senseless crime, and like many others the shooter was another white druggie.

    That said, if this had been say Muslims or even blacks that had perpetrated a crime like this, there would by now be endless talk from the MSM of a backlash from whites. We've already seen police officers killed in revenge attacks, yet the media is silent on any potential backlash in this case.

    That said, if this had been say Muslims or even blacks that had perpetrated a crime like this, there would by now be endless talk from the MSM of a backlash from whites.

    Good point. Instead, the media are trying to manufacture a backlash against Whites.

  259. @Casey
    I just left a comment or two over at Mother Jones on their article about his manifesto. I expressed disappointment that most of the comments were not responding to anything he actually said, and that in my opinion tensions were being inflamed by both sides of the political spectrum. Was there a grain of truth in anything he said, could his experiences have affected his views? But as carefully constructed so as not to appear 'racist' and as reasonable as my comments were I was blocked by the site in no time and all my comments were removed.

    What is interesting is that as anti-racism becomes more fanatical, the conflicts that result lead to these sorts of things receiving more air time (eg the comment about being a white minority in school you are quoting here or the posting of statistics on comment threads) even if they are not featured by MSM the word seems to be getting out. This causes more extreme pushback by anti-racists. I was really shocked at being blocked by MJ with such carefully worded, reasonable comments. It's only going to get crazier I'm afraid.

    I would like to know if Roof’s comments about white kids being mistreated by blacks in high school were based on personal experience or from things he read on the web.

    • Replies: @Truth

    I would like to know if Roof’s comments about white kids being mistreated by blacks in high school were based on personal experience or from things he read on the web.
     
    I'own know, but ah know O-maa THORNtin grew up in a RAYCISS society victimzed by fo' hunnit years of bein' held down by Duh MAHN!
    , @Casey
    I would like to know that also. Why can't we talk about it? We are supposed to be having a conversation about race. I'll be honest - I'm put off by the racism and sexism that crops up regularly here. I really have to wonder about people who supposedly care about the white race and at the same time regularly complain that half that race is composed of alcoholic sluts and dried out harridans. If anything equality is a return to a more normal, natural state. That's why it resonates with women all over the world- not because some Jewish harridan has hypnotized half the world's population. I wish we could be having an interesting discussion about that rather than whining about admittedly annoying current trends (microaggressions, safe spaces, rape culture, etc).

    But I'm also disturbed, as a scientist especially, when fellow scientists and liberal activists dismiss the assertions about violent crime stats as "lies" without even examining them. At another site, someone screamed about "dumb white dropouts who don't know how to use google" because if they did they would know that "whites and blacks commit homicide in roughly equal numbers" then linked to a source that clearly showed this to be the case for the raw numbers, in fact blacks had a higher total. It is hard to believe that people are that deluded, that they don't take the next logical step and realize with blacks at 13% of the population...is it really a mass psychosis? Or are people being disingenuous? I honestly can't tell.
  260. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Lets start a list of suggestions for Steve on such a plan

    The best plan is to just keep posting and raising the truth about things. The big fundamental truths. The truths reflected in a million little things that never make the news. Raise the truth. Over and over. It’s that simple. The truth wins. Live not by lies. Don’t get all caught up in all the chaff. The people that lie about the fundamentals love these distractions, they are like smokescreens. Stay on course.

  261. Oh hey, wrong country but “E” for effort.

    Yes, guns work so very differently once they cross a border. No one in a black church in South Carolina could possibly use a concealed fireararm to defend himself from an active shooter.

  262. @Truth

    He’s already more famous than Omar Thornton. I’d say even before he was apprehended he might’ve been more famous than Thornton.
     
    Of course you have a sophisticated mathematical matrix to back this up.

    A sophisticated mathematical matrix is hardly required. There are already 10 times as many hits for Roof than Omar Thornton on Google. All week your TV network news & talk shows have led with the church shooting. They didn’t do any of that for Thornton or his victims. It’s the same internationally. The BBC News search feature turns up just one breaking story on Thornton. There are loads for Roof. But go ahead and argue that Thornton’s crime is just as famous as it will highlight for all here just how delusional you are.

  263. I completely agree with 240. Anonymous. It is thoroughly disingenuous to believe that anyone with enough intellectual capacity to act on his thoughts about race by purposely attacking one of the oldest black churches in the country, in a historic Southern city, with a prominent state politician as its leader, was not an avid reader of isteve.

    I haven’t delved too deeply into this, but, if the guy’s a Charleston-area resident, it’s not like he had to crack open a guidebook to look for an “historic Southern city,” since he already lived in one. One could hardly deny the same knowledge to any American or South Carolina resident, of course.

    And one needn’t be of even average intelligence to run a web search for prominent black churches and politicians in a given area.

    It makes perfect sense to think a nut with a 9th grade education would be bored by iSteve. I certainly wouldn’t bank on speculation that he had never read the blog, of course. But then, I find interesting Steve’s deductions concerning which of America’s prominent (often liberal) thinkers read iSteve, so I don’t find the “guilt by association” stupidity of the left very interesting, in any case (though I do reserve the right to fling it back at them for rhetorical purposes).

    Similar to corporations, I really think that Steve should develop a crisis management plan to respond to incidents like this.

    I think your efforts at concern trolling could use some polish.

    Who fucking cares if he read or didn’t read Steve’s or any other blog.

    Precisely. The shitbirds destroying our country all read the New York Times. There’s some guilt by association.

    If we want to hold people to that standard than the NY times should be forced to shut down immediately

    Indeed.

  264. But go ahead and argue that Thornton’s crime is just as famous as it will highlight for all here just how delusional you are.

    You’re being generous in conflating delusion with just being full of shit.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    White guy kills some black people - this is like Christmas for "Truth". He obviously is enjoying himself. I bet he wishes it'd happen more often. Personally, I feel sad for the victims of this heinous murder, whose lives were cut short by an evil little twerp.

    But for "Truth", it's more important to score some debating points than actually - you know - feeling any kind of human empathy. It gives some insight into just what an awful, rotten, sociopathic jerk "Truth" is.
  265. @Mr. Anon
    I don't think that the vile murderer (I refuse to mention his name and so give him the notoriety he obviously craves) was a regular reader of isteve, or perhaps that he has ever read it. He says that he read CofCC. Perhaps he also read AmRen and SBPDL. He is only a callow youth of 21, and he has clearly absorbed some stuff written by people who are wiser, and perhaps smarter, than he is.

    He is only a callow youth of 21,

    LMFAO! You can’t help making excuses for your Dindu Nuffin cousin even AFTER I point it out to you!

  266. @anonymous

    You never know who you will set off.
     
    We can't tailor all discussion around the misunderstandings of schizophrenics. Since this particular person has had typical negative experiences with blacks in real life then that's the probable cause for his actions.

    Since this particular person has had typical negative experiences with blacks in real life then that’s the probable cause for his actions.

    He DINDU NUFFFFFFFFFFFINNNNNNNNN!

  267. @anonymous
    Who fucking cares if he read or didn't read Steve's or any other blog. Somebody who writes an article isn't responsible for the actions of everyone who reads it.

    If we want to hold people to that standard than the NY times should be forced to shut down immediately...and I'm all for that.

    Leftists are always jerking each other off about how they appreciate all the 'nuance' and 'complexity' that the average person is too stupid to pick up on....I think you may actually be the stupid one here.

    I think you are missing the fact that the writers you attack are actually putting their livelihoods and reputations on the line to AVOID these sorts of atrocities, not to incite them.

    Who fucking cares if he read or didn’t read Steve’s or any other blog. Somebody who writes an article isn’t responsible for the actions of everyone who reads it.

    Al called me up after reading your post; he’s quite happy he finally has a friend here:

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/al-sharpton-led-his-first-anti-semitic-race-riot-crown-heights-twenty-three-years-ago-today

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Who fucking cares if he read or didn’t read Steve’s or any other blog. Somebody who writes an article isn’t responsible for the actions of everyone who reads it.

    Al called me up after reading your post; he’s quite happy he finally has a friend here:

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/al-sharpton-led-his-first-anti-semitic-race-riot-crown-heights-twenty-three-years-ago-today
     
    Not the most exact of parallels, dear fellow.For one thing, Steve was not physically present in South Carolina.
  268. FWIW, the killer deserves to be placed in the general population of whatever jail he’s in. If still living, he should receive due process and a trial. After a guilty verdict, he should be executed ASAP.

    That’s excellent Dave. You think that a man who murdered 9 people in a church should go to jail, and IF found guilty, face the death penalty.

    I’m going to write Pope Francis to see if he will cannonize you. I think it’s a slam dunk; you and all of the black jurors who voted the defendants to jail on the Channon Christian case.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    That’s excellent Dave. You think that a man who murdered 9 people in a church should go to jail, and IF found guilty, face the death penalty.

    I’m going to write Pope Francis to see if he will cannonize you.
     
    Isn't the Pope against capital punishment?

    Incidentally, it's canonize, not "cannonize."
    , @David In TN
    Ah, so you think you know the "Channon Christian case," you don't know a thing. How remarkable NBC Dateline, CBS 48 Hours, and ABC 20/20 never seem to have heard of it. We're always lectured "dead white girls" receive too much attention from the MSM Why didn't the big networks have shows on it? Could it be because the killers didn't look like Scott Peterson or Joran Van der Sloot?

    And the original judge was kicked off the bench and jailed for buying drugs from a probationer in his court. Don't you think the MSM would have been interested in a story like this?

    "I think it's a slam dunk; you and all the black jurors who voted the defendants to jail on the Channon Christian case."

    By the way, Miss Christian's boyfriend, Chris Newsom was also raped and murdered by those African Americans. His torture and murder did escape the notice of the black jurors for Trials #1 and #4 so I guess he doesn't matter to you.

    In each of the six state trials, the judges tried to stack the jury panels with as many blacks as possible. In one, the judge went over 300 miles to get a jury from a majority black town. This jury convicted the female defendant on 13 of 17 counts in a retrial, resulting in a 35 year sentence, down from 53 from the first trial.

    The first trial, of Cobbins, had a jury panel from Nashville, 7-5 majority black. They declined to give the death penalty, only "life until parole." A local reporter tracked down a black female on the jury. By her own account, she had no intention of voting for the death penalty, despite saying she could on voir dire. "It's a life, a life," she told the reporter. By "a life," she meant Cobbins, not Christian and Newsom.

    The second trial. of the "alleged" ringleader Davidson, did result in a death sentence. Which will never be carried out. The state courts will delay, delay, until the Supreme Court outlaws the death penalty.

    Davidson's trial (which would take a long article to describe) had only one black juror. During voir dire, blacks either said they couldn't vote death, or openly didn't want to be on the jury.

    The third trial jury panel, from Chattanooga, ended up with only one black. Again during voir dire, prospective black jurors openly favored the defendant or said they couldn't vote for the death penalty. The verdict was guilty, life until parole. This defendant, George Thomas, was retried. The sentence was less than the first, "50 years until parole."

    The fourth trial was of the female defendant, four black jurors, four white females. It's a miracle she was convicted of anything. She was actually acquitted of every count relating to Newsom, facilitation only with Christian.

    Bottom line, the "racist justice system" bent over backwards to give the black defendants fair trials in the most horrific murder case in modern Tennessee history.

    I attended three of the trials and watched the others by live stream. And yes, I was 100% in favor of giving these defendants due process and fair trials.
  269. @matt
    The saddest part about this whole thing is that Rhodesia will be less cool now. Apparently, even dumb crackers with bowl cuts and dead looks in their eyes have heard about Rhodesia. Hipster fascists will have to find some other retro 70s racist state to idolize. But what's left? Portuguese Angola? But that's so boring...

    The saddest part about this whole thing is that Rhodesia will be less cool now. Apparently, even dumb crackers with bowl cuts and dead looks in their eyes have heard about Rhodesia. Hipster fascists will have to find some other retro 70s racist state to idolize. But what’s left? Portuguese Angola? But that’s so boring…

    Singapore!

    • Replies: @matt
    You didn't hear? The kool kidz are over Singapore and have now gotten into Manchukuo. Pass it on.
  270. @Ed
    He probably has but I think he probably got much of his stuff from SBPDL. SBPDL is big on black people taking over, calls it "BRA", not sure what the acronyms means but the general theme of the blog is that black criminality is ignored by the media while blacks create dysfunction and kill whites.

    I've read comments on there by posters saying they found his site by searching for XYZ. So I could see a Dylan stumbling on it. Also SBPDL has received some mainstream mention with none other than NPR referring to a story. I think Sowell gave his blog an approving nod in an article.

    Yes, Thomas Sowell once mentionned the webmaster of SBPDL at this column, a guy nicknamed Paul Kersey and Takimag did have an article written in 2011 about it as well. http://takimag.com/article/the_charles_bronson_of_race

  271. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Gene_Ashbrook#Personality_and_mental_state

    Police investigating the shooting [ He'd killed 7 at a church] could find no solid motive for the crime. In the months before the shooting, people who knew Ashbrook say he became increasingly paranoid, certain that he was being framed for serial murder and other crimes that he did not commit. He also feared that the CIA was targeting him, and he reported psychological warfare, assaults by co-workers and being drugged by the police. Just days before the shooting he voiced these concerns to a newspaper, saying “I want someone to tell my story, no one will listen to me; no one will believe me.”

    Secret agent conspiracy theories of a leading academic authority on scepticism about religion:-

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Popkin

    “Beyond his philosophical works, he is noted for writing The Second Oswald (1966), questioning the Warren Report lone gunman explanation of the John F. Kennedy assassination. Popkin’s theory was that a look-alike of Lee Harvey Oswald was the actual assassin of Kennedy.”

    Steve has as much to do with Roof as Popkin did with Ashbrook.

  272. I’m going to write Pope Francis to see if he will cannonize you.

    I think you’ll have more luck calling the circus.

  273. @Truth

    FWIW, the killer deserves to be placed in the general population of whatever jail he’s in. If still living, he should receive due process and a trial. After a guilty verdict, he should be executed ASAP.
     
    That's excellent Dave. You think that a man who murdered 9 people in a church should go to jail, and IF found guilty, face the death penalty.

    I'm going to write Pope Francis to see if he will cannonize you. I think it's a slam dunk; you and all of the black jurors who voted the defendants to jail on the Channon Christian case.

    That’s excellent Dave. You think that a man who murdered 9 people in a church should go to jail, and IF found guilty, face the death penalty.

    I’m going to write Pope Francis to see if he will cannonize you.

    Isn’t the Pope against capital punishment?

    Incidentally, it’s canonize, not “cannonize.”

    • Replies: @Wyrd
    Incidentally, it’s canonize, not “cannonize.”

    Give Admiral Truth Nelson a break. It ain't easy being a one-armed bandit.
  274. @Truth

    Who fucking cares if he read or didn’t read Steve’s or any other blog. Somebody who writes an article isn’t responsible for the actions of everyone who reads it.

     

    Al called me up after reading your post; he's quite happy he finally has a friend here:

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/al-sharpton-led-his-first-anti-semitic-race-riot-crown-heights-twenty-three-years-ago-today

    Who fucking cares if he read or didn’t read Steve’s or any other blog. Somebody who writes an article isn’t responsible for the actions of everyone who reads it.

    Al called me up after reading your post; he’s quite happy he finally has a friend here:

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/al-sharpton-led-his-first-anti-semitic-race-riot-crown-heights-twenty-three-years-ago-today

    Not the most exact of parallels, dear fellow.For one thing, Steve was not physically present in South Carolina.

    • Replies: @Truth



    Not the most exact of parallels, dear fellow.For one thing, Steve was not physically present in South Carolina.
     
    Either people's actions can be influenced by someone else, or can't they, right? Bro, let me save your future clients a lot of jail time; don't ever go to law school
  275. @Steve Richter
    I would like to know if Roof's comments about white kids being mistreated by blacks in high school were based on personal experience or from things he read on the web.

    I would like to know if Roof’s comments about white kids being mistreated by blacks in high school were based on personal experience or from things he read on the web.

    I’own know, but ah know O-maa THORNtin grew up in a RAYCISS society victimzed by fo’ hunnit years of bein’ held down by Duh MAHN!

  276. @syonredux

    Who fucking cares if he read or didn’t read Steve’s or any other blog. Somebody who writes an article isn’t responsible for the actions of everyone who reads it.

    Al called me up after reading your post; he’s quite happy he finally has a friend here:

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/al-sharpton-led-his-first-anti-semitic-race-riot-crown-heights-twenty-three-years-ago-today
     
    Not the most exact of parallels, dear fellow.For one thing, Steve was not physically present in South Carolina.

    Not the most exact of parallels, dear fellow.For one thing, Steve was not physically present in South Carolina.

    Either people’s actions can be influenced by someone else, or can’t they, right? Bro, let me save your future clients a lot of jail time; don’t ever go to law school

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Either people’s actions can be influenced by someone else, or can’t they, right?
     
    MMM, getting a bit ecto-plasmic, aren't we? What counts as "influence?" How proximate must something be to count as influence? How distal not to count?

    Bro, let me save your future clients a lot of jail time; don’t ever go to law school
     
    Dear fellow, since you are bringing the law into it:

    "Imminent lawless action" is a standard currently used that was established by the United States Supreme Court in Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), for defining the limits of freedom of speech. Brandenburg clarified what constituted a "clear and present danger", the standard established by Schenck v. United States (1919), and overruled Whitney v. California (1927), which had held that speech that merely advocated violence could be made illegal. Under the imminent lawless action test, speech is not protected by the First Amendment if the speaker intends to incite a violation of the law that is both imminent and likely. While the precise meaning of "imminent" may be ambiguous in some cases, the court provided later clarification in Hess v. Indiana (1973). In this case, the court found that Hess's words did not fall outside the limits of protected speech, in part, because his speech "amounted to nothing more than advocacy of illegal action at some indefinite future time,"[1] and therefore did not meet the imminence requirement.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action
  277. @Svigor

    But go ahead and argue that Thornton’s crime is just as famous as it will highlight for all here just how delusional you are.
     
    You're being generous in conflating delusion with just being full of shit.

    White guy kills some black people – this is like Christmas for “Truth”. He obviously is enjoying himself. I bet he wishes it’d happen more often. Personally, I feel sad for the victims of this heinous murder, whose lives were cut short by an evil little twerp.

    But for “Truth”, it’s more important to score some debating points than actually – you know – feeling any kind of human empathy. It gives some insight into just what an awful, rotten, sociopathic jerk “Truth” is.

    • Replies: @Truth
    "Personally, I feel sad for the victims of this heinous murder, whose lives were cut short by an evil little twerp."

    Congrats, Old Winston, you've officially become proficient in PC doublespeak. I hear there's an opening at the Ministry of Truth that I think you'd do great in. Maybe you'd do great at your "advanced" age in the Feminist Studies department at your nearest Ivy League Institution.

    One minor quibble though; I don't know that a man who murders 9 people qualifies as a "little twerp." Generally, this sort of moniker is given to one who rides his tricycle through an old lady's flower bed. That is, unless of course you would describe Letalvis Cobbins as a "little twerp" as well (c'mon try it out for size, "Oooh that darn little twerp Letalvis, kidnapping, robbing and raping beautiful white women, and dropping water balloons onto cars from the overpass! He's incorrigible).

    Now my friend, if that last sentence doesn't get you to evaluate your inner mentality, nothing will.


    But for “Truth”, it’s more important to score some debating points than actually – you know – feeling any kind of human empathy. It gives some insight into just what an awful, rotten, sociopathic jerk “Truth” is.


    Now I can't honestly say that your characterization of me is far off, but does that give you an excuse to be that as well?
  278. Yeah “his uncle”, a guy who ran a sack race against him at a family picnic every 4 years. When his mother says it, we have a story.

    Nope. All we need is for her to not go full-blown dindunuffins. Actually, white parents pretty much never go all dindunuffins, so I suppose we’ll only have a story if she does go all dindunuffins; it all depends on your POV.

  279. @syonredux

    That’s excellent Dave. You think that a man who murdered 9 people in a church should go to jail, and IF found guilty, face the death penalty.

    I’m going to write Pope Francis to see if he will cannonize you.
     
    Isn't the Pope against capital punishment?

    Incidentally, it's canonize, not "cannonize."

    Incidentally, it’s canonize, not “cannonize.”

    Give Admiral Truth Nelson a break. It ain’t easy being a one-armed bandit.

  280. @Truth

    FWIW, the killer deserves to be placed in the general population of whatever jail he’s in. If still living, he should receive due process and a trial. After a guilty verdict, he should be executed ASAP.
     
    That's excellent Dave. You think that a man who murdered 9 people in a church should go to jail, and IF found guilty, face the death penalty.

    I'm going to write Pope Francis to see if he will cannonize you. I think it's a slam dunk; you and all of the black jurors who voted the defendants to jail on the Channon Christian case.

    Ah, so you think you know the “Channon Christian case,” you don’t know a thing. How remarkable NBC Dateline, CBS 48 Hours, and ABC 20/20 never seem to have heard of it. We’re always lectured “dead white girls” receive too much attention from the MSM Why didn’t the big networks have shows on it? Could it be because the killers didn’t look like Scott Peterson or Joran Van der Sloot?

    And the original judge was kicked off the bench and jailed for buying drugs from a probationer in his court. Don’t you think the MSM would have been interested in a story like this?

    “I think it’s a slam dunk; you and all the black jurors who voted the defendants to jail on the Channon Christian case.”

    By the way, Miss Christian’s boyfriend, Chris Newsom was also raped and murdered by those African Americans. His torture and murder did escape the notice of the black jurors for Trials #1 and #4 so I guess he doesn’t matter to you.

    In each of the six state trials, the judges tried to stack the jury panels with as many blacks as possible. In one, the judge went over 300 miles to get a jury from a majority black town. This jury convicted the female defendant on 13 of 17 counts in a retrial, resulting in a 35 year sentence, down from 53 from the first trial.

    The first trial, of Cobbins, had a jury panel from Nashville, 7-5 majority black. They declined to give the death penalty, only “life until parole.” A local reporter tracked down a black female on the jury. By her own account, she had no intention of voting for the death penalty, despite saying she could on voir dire. “It’s a life, a life,” she told the reporter. By “a life,” she meant Cobbins, not Christian and Newsom.

    The second trial. of the “alleged” ringleader Davidson, did result in a death sentence. Which will never be carried out. The state courts will delay, delay, until the Supreme Court outlaws the death penalty.

    Davidson’s trial (which would take a long article to describe) had only one black juror. During voir dire, blacks either said they couldn’t vote death, or openly didn’t want to be on the jury.

    The third trial jury panel, from Chattanooga, ended up with only one black. Again during voir dire, prospective black jurors openly favored the defendant or said they couldn’t vote for the death penalty. The verdict was guilty, life until parole. This defendant, George Thomas, was retried. The sentence was less than the first, “50 years until parole.”

    The fourth trial was of the female defendant, four black jurors, four white females. It’s a miracle she was convicted of anything. She was actually acquitted of every count relating to Newsom, facilitation only with Christian.

    Bottom line, the “racist justice system” bent over backwards to give the black defendants fair trials in the most horrific murder case in modern Tennessee history.

    I attended three of the trials and watched the others by live stream. And yes, I was 100% in favor of giving these defendants due process and fair trials.

    • Replies: @Truth

    It’s a miracle she was convicted of anything.
     
    Well you see Dave, as your mom used to tell you, miracles do happen!

    It was a long post, let me help you shorten it just a bit.

    "The four black defendants were convicted of sentences ranging from 35 years to death, by mixed black and white juries, for the double homicide of a white couple in Memphis, Tennessee."

    See, wasn't so hard.
  281. @Steve Richter
    I would like to know if Roof's comments about white kids being mistreated by blacks in high school were based on personal experience or from things he read on the web.

    I would like to know that also. Why can’t we talk about it? We are supposed to be having a conversation about race. I’ll be honest – I’m put off by the racism and sexism that crops up regularly here. I really have to wonder about people who supposedly care about the white race and at the same time regularly complain that half that race is composed of alcoholic sluts and dried out harridans. If anything equality is a return to a more normal, natural state. That’s why it resonates with women all over the world- not because some Jewish harridan has hypnotized half the world’s population. I wish we could be having an interesting discussion about that rather than whining about admittedly annoying current trends (microaggressions, safe spaces, rape culture, etc).

    But I’m also disturbed, as a scientist especially, when fellow scientists and liberal activists dismiss the assertions about violent crime stats as “lies” without even examining them. At another site, someone screamed about “dumb white dropouts who don’t know how to use google” because if they did they would know that “whites and blacks commit homicide in roughly equal numbers” then linked to a source that clearly showed this to be the case for the raw numbers, in fact blacks had a higher total. It is hard to believe that people are that deluded, that they don’t take the next logical step and realize with blacks at 13% of the population…is it really a mass psychosis? Or are people being disingenuous? I honestly can’t tell.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    "But I'm also disturbed, as a scientist especially, when fellow scientists and liberal activists dismiss the assertions about violent crime stats as 'lies' without even examining them."

    Yes, and they're becoming more aggressive in denying reality every year.
  282. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Svigor
    Mike Smith does drop an interesting link in that blog post:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_James_Church_massacre

    Four black terrorists entered a white church and started shooting, killing 11 and wounding 58. A white congregant with a gun returned fire, wounding one of the blacks, who then abandoned their plan to firebomb the church and fled.

    In 1998 the attackers were granted amnesty for their participation by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

    So, I guess Roof can look forward to being granted amnesty then, can’t he?

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    I guess Al Sharpton will oppose to grant amnesty to Roof.

    There's more on the Wikipedia entry about St. James Church

    On 27 August 2002, Gcinikhaya Makoma was arrested along with six others following a cash-in-transit heist of a Standard Bank cash van in Constantia, Cape Town, in which R1.8 million was stolen. He and the others were later acquitted, with the magistrate finding that the prosecution case had been badly put together and that documents had been falsified by an investigating officer. Gcinikhaya Makoma was eventually found guilty on 16 February 2012 of murder and robbery and sentenced to life and 46 years in prison for his role in a December 2007 cash van heist in Parow, Cape Town.
     
    There's a bit more on the table on the following links
    http://barelyablog.com/old-south-african-flag-not-nazi-insignia/
    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/06/19/survivor-of-1993-church-massacre-by-gods-grace-i-managed-to-return-fire/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGif9upDZSo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTG3z_ydkG4
  283. Papa Frankie is especially out to lunch. Global Warming Alarmist nut, super-liberal, etc. Now he says weapons manufacturers can’t call themselves Christian:

    Pope says weapons manufacturers can’t call themselves Christian

    1.) Frankie should stick to speaking for Catholics. Christians are outside his purview.
    2.) I guess Christ must be bringing his own sword, when he comes back.
    3.) Frankie doesn’t seem to know much about Scripture:

    John 18:10: “Then Simon Peter drew a sword and slashed off the right ear of Malchus, the high priest’s slave.”
    Luke 22:36: “”But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!”

    4.) A bit about Roman, Anti-Christian Gun Control:

    Was Jesus Tooled Up? Bible Analysis Claims Disciples Carried Weapons During Passover

    Jesus may have been crucified because his disciples were carrying swords, according to new analysis of the New Testament books.

    Dale Martin, a professor of religious studies at Yale University, says that the research could explain the reasons behind Jesus’ execution and that he may not have been the pacifist he is often portrayed as.

    Speaking to Newsweek, Martin says historical documents show it was illegal at the time to walk about armed in Rome and across other Roman cities. There are no legal records still intact from Jerusalem but based on Roman history, leaders would not have tolerated armed Jewish groups during Passover.

    “Just as you could be arrested in Rome for even having a dagger, if Jesus’s followers were armed, that would be reason enough to crucify him,” says Martin.

    Harold Attridge, a former dean of the Yale Divinity School who was not involved in the study, told Newsweek that Martin’s analysis is valid.

    It is “likely the Romans would have been severe against someone seen as a political threat,” as would have been the case with Jesus, he said.

    Other experts say the research brings to light another intriguing question: why were Jesus’ followers armed during a religious festival in the first place?

    Bart Ehrman, a professor at the University of North Carolina, told Newsweek that Jesus may have been in favour of fighting.

    “It’s making me rethink my view that Jesus was a complete pacifist,” he says. “And it takes a lot for me to change my views about Jesus.”

    It’s a bit odd that they made a heretic Pope.

    P.S., the idea that Christ was a complete pacifist has always been stupid. Anyone with even passing familiarity with Scripture knows about the moneychangers around the temple, how Christ & co dealt with them, and the preceding verses I quoted. Never mind how much warfare God commands in the Old Testament.

  284. @Casey
    I would like to know that also. Why can't we talk about it? We are supposed to be having a conversation about race. I'll be honest - I'm put off by the racism and sexism that crops up regularly here. I really have to wonder about people who supposedly care about the white race and at the same time regularly complain that half that race is composed of alcoholic sluts and dried out harridans. If anything equality is a return to a more normal, natural state. That's why it resonates with women all over the world- not because some Jewish harridan has hypnotized half the world's population. I wish we could be having an interesting discussion about that rather than whining about admittedly annoying current trends (microaggressions, safe spaces, rape culture, etc).

    But I'm also disturbed, as a scientist especially, when fellow scientists and liberal activists dismiss the assertions about violent crime stats as "lies" without even examining them. At another site, someone screamed about "dumb white dropouts who don't know how to use google" because if they did they would know that "whites and blacks commit homicide in roughly equal numbers" then linked to a source that clearly showed this to be the case for the raw numbers, in fact blacks had a higher total. It is hard to believe that people are that deluded, that they don't take the next logical step and realize with blacks at 13% of the population...is it really a mass psychosis? Or are people being disingenuous? I honestly can't tell.

    “But I’m also disturbed, as a scientist especially, when fellow scientists and liberal activists dismiss the assertions about violent crime stats as ‘lies’ without even examining them.”

    Yes, and they’re becoming more aggressive in denying reality every year.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    I think that Lysenkoists had the same approach.
  285. “Unlike many White naitonalists (sic), I am of the opinion that the majority of American and European jews are White. In my opinion the issues with jews is not their blood, but their identity. I think that if we could somehow destroy the jewish identity, then they wouldnt (sic) cause much of a problem.”

    Steve Sailer meets Dylann Roof. Not a pretty sight. (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:7gnU3T4mdXcJ:lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt+&cd=1&hl=no&ct=clnk&gl=no)

  286. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @David In TN
    "But I'm also disturbed, as a scientist especially, when fellow scientists and liberal activists dismiss the assertions about violent crime stats as 'lies' without even examining them."

    Yes, and they're becoming more aggressive in denying reality every year.

    I think that Lysenkoists had the same approach.

  287. @Wilkey
    Not to mention the fact that Jim Jones was a Communist and a close friend and ally of Leftists like Harvey Milk, etc.

    The Oklahoma City bombing is only the largest pre-9/11 mass murder of Americans in America because Jonestown did not happen in the United States.

    “Not to mention the fact that Jim Jones was a Communist and a close friend and ally of Leftists like Harvey Milk, etc.

    The Oklahoma City bombing is only the largest pre-9/11 mass murder of Americans in America because Jonestown did not happen in the United States.”

    In addition to being a Communist, Jim Jones was also a Homosexual just like Harvey Milk, the only difference was Harvey told the whole world he was a Homo with his big megaphone while Jim Jones stayed inside the closet. I saw a documentary on The People’s Temple/Jonestown which revealed that Jim Jones would have sex with the some of the underage Black boys.

    A communist, a pedophile, and a mass murderer. Harvey Milk and George Moscone sure knew how to politically pick their friends. If those two had not been killed by Dan White, their political careers should have been finished especially in 1978 when America not as Left Wing a country as it is today.

  288. He is only a callow youth of 21, and he has clearly absorbed some stuff written by people who are wiser, and perhaps smarter, than he is.

    LMFAO! You can’t help making excuses for your Dindu Nuffin cousin even AFTER I point it out to you!

    I don’t know if you’re really this stupid, or if you only play one on TV, but facts != excuses. He is, in fact, 21, and that is, in fact, callow youth. Any excuses derived from that would seem to be figments of your imagination.

    • Replies: @Truth
    Callow:
    adjective
    1.
    immature or inexperienced:
    a callow youth.
    2.
    (of a young bird) featherless; unfledged.
    noun
    3.
    a recently hatched worker ant.

    A "callow youth", Sviggy, that's just so sweet, it sounds like it comes from a lifetime movie...

    "Heather was just a callow youth of 16 until she met Brad, a 22 year old longshoreman with a black motorcycle..."

    It seems that this poor, misunderstood gentleman was just a little less "youthy" than your other favorite Dindu Nuffins, other callow, innocent featherless unfledged birds like Trayvon Martin and Micahel Brown - but there is one mistake you made in defense of this poor innocent soul who wasn't old enough to be responsible for his actions...
  289. Heard a Huckabee sound bite on the radio today. He was using the exact talking point I mentioned above; he said mass shooters only kill 20 people a year in the US, while drunk drivers kill more than that every day.

  290. @matt
    The saddest part about this whole thing is that Rhodesia will be less cool now. Apparently, even dumb crackers with bowl cuts and dead looks in their eyes have heard about Rhodesia. Hipster fascists will have to find some other retro 70s racist state to idolize. But what's left? Portuguese Angola? But that's so boring...

    “The saddest part about this whole thing is that Rhodesia will be less cool now. Apparently, even dumb crackers with bowl cuts and dead looks in their eyes have heard about Rhodesia. Hipster fascists will have to find some other retro 70s racist state to idolize. But what’s left? Portuguese Angola? But that’s so boring…”

    There is the current situation in The Dominican Republic, where lot of Haitians are being deported back to Haiti. But that one is going to be hard to put the blame on White people because it is Dominican Mulattoes “discriminating” against Black as midnight Haitians. But I suppose the Left Wing Megaphone in America could spin the story and refer to these Dominican Mulattoes as “White Hispanics” who are discriminating against poor little innocent Haitian Negroes who ain’t do nuthin, except of course violate another country’s immigration laws.

    • Replies: @matt
    Hey there's an idea! You guys could start a cult around Rafael Trujillo!
  291. @gruff

    The saddest part about this whole thing is that Rhodesia will be less cool now. Apparently, even dumb crackers with bowl cuts and dead looks in their eyes have heard about Rhodesia. Hipster fascists will have to find some other retro 70s racist state to idolize. But what’s left? Portuguese Angola? But that’s so boring…
     
    Singapore!

    You didn’t hear? The kool kidz are over Singapore and have now gotten into Manchukuo. Pass it on.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    I've always thought Manchukuo would make a good setting for a horror film.

    Incidentally, while it fell very flat at the time, Japanese propaganda sounds by far the most contemporary of any WWII power. Basically all about how 1. all of the world's problems are caused by white colonial imperialists, and Japan as the most powerful of the non-white nations is fighting to liberate the non-white world from whites, and 2. blacks should not support the American war effort but instead should rise up in armed rebellion against their common enemy, the white man.

    Moldbug has a fondness for pre-Nasser Egypt, which is probably a good choice since its successor is morally repugnant in comparison even by SJW standards (the change in regime was marked by the Egyptians violently expelling all the Jews and other ethnic minorities in a massive pogrom, and starting the lovely tradition of giving all the women forced clitorectomies).

  292. @Svigor

    He is only a callow youth of 21, and he has clearly absorbed some stuff written by people who are wiser, and perhaps smarter, than he is.
     

    LMFAO! You can’t help making excuses for your Dindu Nuffin cousin even AFTER I point it out to you!
     
    I don't know if you're really this stupid, or if you only play one on TV, but facts != excuses. He is, in fact, 21, and that is, in fact, callow youth. Any excuses derived from that would seem to be figments of your imagination.

    Callow:
    adjective
    1.
    immature or inexperienced:
    a callow youth.
    2.
    (of a young bird) featherless; unfledged.
    noun
    3.
    a recently hatched worker ant.

    A “callow youth”, Sviggy, that’s just so sweet, it sounds like it comes from a lifetime movie…

    “Heather was just a callow youth of 16 until she met Brad, a 22 year old longshoreman with a black motorcycle…”

    It seems that this poor, misunderstood gentleman was just a little less “youthy” than your other favorite Dindu Nuffins, other callow, innocent featherless unfledged birds like Trayvon Martin and Micahel Brown – but there is one mistake you made in defense of this poor innocent soul who wasn’t old enough to be responsible for his actions…

  293. ….You spelt “youth” wrong, don’t you know anything?

    It’s y-o-u-…

    …F-F!!!!!!

    YOUFF, FOOL, JUST LIKE YOUR OTHER DINDU NUFFINS!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHANANANANAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!

    Hey Steve I gotta say, this is your best post in years. I feel 20 years younger after this. It’s just too bad it took 9 deaths all of these Al HONKtons to come out of the closet!

  294. @David In TN
    Ah, so you think you know the "Channon Christian case," you don't know a thing. How remarkable NBC Dateline, CBS 48 Hours, and ABC 20/20 never seem to have heard of it. We're always lectured "dead white girls" receive too much attention from the MSM Why didn't the big networks have shows on it? Could it be because the killers didn't look like Scott Peterson or Joran Van der Sloot?

    And the original judge was kicked off the bench and jailed for buying drugs from a probationer in his court. Don't you think the MSM would have been interested in a story like this?

    "I think it's a slam dunk; you and all the black jurors who voted the defendants to jail on the Channon Christian case."

    By the way, Miss Christian's boyfriend, Chris Newsom was also raped and murdered by those African Americans. His torture and murder did escape the notice of the black jurors for Trials #1 and #4 so I guess he doesn't matter to you.

    In each of the six state trials, the judges tried to stack the jury panels with as many blacks as possible. In one, the judge went over 300 miles to get a jury from a majority black town. This jury convicted the female defendant on 13 of 17 counts in a retrial, resulting in a 35 year sentence, down from 53 from the first trial.

    The first trial, of Cobbins, had a jury panel from Nashville, 7-5 majority black. They declined to give the death penalty, only "life until parole." A local reporter tracked down a black female on the jury. By her own account, she had no intention of voting for the death penalty, despite saying she could on voir dire. "It's a life, a life," she told the reporter. By "a life," she meant Cobbins, not Christian and Newsom.

    The second trial. of the "alleged" ringleader Davidson, did result in a death sentence. Which will never be carried out. The state courts will delay, delay, until the Supreme Court outlaws the death penalty.

    Davidson's trial (which would take a long article to describe) had only one black juror. During voir dire, blacks either said they couldn't vote death, or openly didn't want to be on the jury.

    The third trial jury panel, from Chattanooga, ended up with only one black. Again during voir dire, prospective black jurors openly favored the defendant or said they couldn't vote for the death penalty. The verdict was guilty, life until parole. This defendant, George Thomas, was retried. The sentence was less than the first, "50 years until parole."

    The fourth trial was of the female defendant, four black jurors, four white females. It's a miracle she was convicted of anything. She was actually acquitted of every count relating to Newsom, facilitation only with Christian.

    Bottom line, the "racist justice system" bent over backwards to give the black defendants fair trials in the most horrific murder case in modern Tennessee history.

    I attended three of the trials and watched the others by live stream. And yes, I was 100% in favor of giving these defendants due process and fair trials.

    It’s a miracle she was convicted of anything.

    Well you see Dave, as your mom used to tell you, miracles do happen!

    It was a long post, let me help you shorten it just a bit.

    “The four black defendants were convicted of sentences ranging from 35 years to death, by mixed black and white juries, for the double homicide of a white couple in Memphis, Tennessee.”

    See, wasn’t so hard.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    "The four black defendants were convicted of sentences ranging from 35 years to death, by mixed black and white juries, for the double homicide of a white couple in Memphis, Tennessee."

    Hey, you're the one who needs help, if it's not too complicated for you to understand. The crime took place in Knoxville, not Memphis. By I-40, these very different cities are nearly 400 miles (391 by Google) apart.

    How can you explain anything to a dim bulb who mistakes Knoxville, Tennessee for Memphis, Tennessee?
  295. @matt
    You didn't hear? The kool kidz are over Singapore and have now gotten into Manchukuo. Pass it on.

    I’ve always thought Manchukuo would make a good setting for a horror film.

    Incidentally, while it fell very flat at the time, Japanese propaganda sounds by far the most contemporary of any WWII power. Basically all about how 1. all of the world’s problems are caused by white colonial imperialists, and Japan as the most powerful of the non-white nations is fighting to liberate the non-white world from whites, and 2. blacks should not support the American war effort but instead should rise up in armed rebellion against their common enemy, the white man.

    Moldbug has a fondness for pre-Nasser Egypt, which is probably a good choice since its successor is morally repugnant in comparison even by SJW standards (the change in regime was marked by the Egyptians violently expelling all the Jews and other ethnic minorities in a massive pogrom, and starting the lovely tradition of giving all the women forced clitorectomies).

    • Replies: @matt
    I don't think Nasser came up with the idea for FGM:

    Historically, the first mention of male and female circumcision appears in the writings by the Greek geographer Strabo, who visited Egypt around 25 B.C.

    "One of the customs most zealously observed among the Egyptians is this, that they rear every child that is born, and circumcise the males, and excise the females," Strabo wrote in his 17-volume work Geographica.
     

    On another note, how do you guys feel about the Congo Free State? When can I order the t-shirts?
  296. @snorlax
    I've always thought Manchukuo would make a good setting for a horror film.

    Incidentally, while it fell very flat at the time, Japanese propaganda sounds by far the most contemporary of any WWII power. Basically all about how 1. all of the world's problems are caused by white colonial imperialists, and Japan as the most powerful of the non-white nations is fighting to liberate the non-white world from whites, and 2. blacks should not support the American war effort but instead should rise up in armed rebellion against their common enemy, the white man.

    Moldbug has a fondness for pre-Nasser Egypt, which is probably a good choice since its successor is morally repugnant in comparison even by SJW standards (the change in regime was marked by the Egyptians violently expelling all the Jews and other ethnic minorities in a massive pogrom, and starting the lovely tradition of giving all the women forced clitorectomies).

    I don’t think Nasser came up with the idea for FGM:

    Historically, the first mention of male and female circumcision appears in the writings by the Greek geographer Strabo, who visited Egypt around 25 B.C.

    “One of the customs most zealously observed among the Egyptians is this, that they rear every child that is born, and circumcise the males, and excise the females,” Strabo wrote in his 17-volume work Geographica.

    On another note, how do you guys feel about the Congo Free State? When can I order the t-shirts?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    On another note, how do you guys feel about the Congo Free State? When can I order the t-shirts?
     
    I'm always amazed how little attention the Congo Free State gets.

    For example, here's the Amerind death toll in the USA from Independence on:

    United States, eradication of the American Indians (1775-1890) 350,000
    Russel Thornton, American Indian Holocaust and Survival (1987)
    Overall decline
    From 600,000 (in 1800) to 250,000 (in 1890s)
    Indian Wars, from a 1894 report by US Census, cited by Thornton. Includes men, woman and children killed, 1775-1890:
    Individual conflicts:
    Whites: 5,000
    Indians: 8,500
    Wars under the gov't:
    Whites: 14,000
    Indians: 30-45,000
    TOTAL:
    Whites: 19,000
    Indians: 38,500 to 53,500
    TOTAL: 65,000 ± 7,500
     
    And here's the Aboriginal death toll in Australia:

    Australia (1788-1921) 240,000
    Mark Cocker, Rivers of Blood, Rivers of Gold (1998)
    Australian mainland
    Ongoing frontier war: 2,000-2,500 whites and 20,000 Aborignies KIA ("best guess", probably higher)
    General population decline: from 1M (1788) to 50,000 (ca. 1890) to 30,000 (1920s)
    Jared Diamond, The Third Chimpanzee (1993)
    Decline of the Aborgines
    From 300,000 (in 1788) to 60,000 (in 1921)
    Extermination of the Tasmanians
    From 5,000 (in 1800) to 200 (in 1830) to 3 (in 1869) to none (1877)
    Clodfelter: 2,500 Eur. and 20,000 Aborignies k. in wars, 1840-1901
    Bill Bryson, In a Sunburned Country (2001): 20,000 Aboriginies intentionally killed by whites.
     
    And for the the Maori in NZ:

    New Zealand (1800s) 200,000 [make link]
    Mark Cocker, Rivers of Blood, Rivers of Gold (1998)
    Maori pop: 240,000 (pre-contact) to 40,000 (1896)
    Clodfelter, Maori War (1860-72)
    UK, NZ: 700 k.
    Maori: 2,000
     
    But then compare that to the Congo Free State:

    In the absence of a census providing even an initial idea of the size of population of the region at the inception of the Congo Free State (the first was taken in 1924),[24] it is impossible to quantify population changes in the period. Despite this, Forbath claimed the loss was at least 5 million;[25] Adam Hochschild, and Isidore Ndaywel è Nziem, 10 million;[26][27] However no verifiable records exist. Louis and Stengers state that population figures at the start of Leopold's control are only "wild guesses", while calling E.D. Morel's attempt and others at coming to a figure for population losses as "but figments of the imagination".[28]

    Nevertheless, Hochschild cites several recent independent lines of investigation, by anthropologist Jan Vansina and others, that examine local sources (police records, religious records, oral traditions, genealogies, personal diaries), which generally agree with the assessment of the 1919 Belgian government commission: roughly half the population perished during the Free State period. Since the first official census by the Belgian authorities in 1924 put the population at about 10 million, these various approaches suggest a rough estimate of a total of 10 million dead.
     
  297. Mike Zwick [AKA "Dahinda"] says:

    ” The press, public, and artists had become fascinated by the idea since the Boston Strangler in the mid-1960s, but cops mostly stuck to their training that random killers didn’t exist.” The police had many opportunities to stop John Wayne Gacy in his tracks but never followed up on any of the evidence until a Des Plaines, Illinois cop did. This was after he killed 33 guys though.

  298. @Truth



    Not the most exact of parallels, dear fellow.For one thing, Steve was not physically present in South Carolina.
     
    Either people's actions can be influenced by someone else, or can't they, right? Bro, let me save your future clients a lot of jail time; don't ever go to law school

    Either people’s actions can be influenced by someone else, or can’t they, right?

    MMM, getting a bit ecto-plasmic, aren’t we? What counts as “influence?” How proximate must something be to count as influence? How distal not to count?

    Bro, let me save your future clients a lot of jail time; don’t ever go to law school

    Dear fellow, since you are bringing the law into it:

    “Imminent lawless action” is a standard currently used that was established by the United States Supreme Court in Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), for defining the limits of freedom of speech. Brandenburg clarified what constituted a “clear and present danger”, the standard established by Schenck v. United States (1919), and overruled Whitney v. California (1927), which had held that speech that merely advocated violence could be made illegal. Under the imminent lawless action test, speech is not protected by the First Amendment if the speaker intends to incite a violation of the law that is both imminent and likely. While the precise meaning of “imminent” may be ambiguous in some cases, the court provided later clarification in Hess v. Indiana (1973). In this case, the court found that Hess’s words did not fall outside the limits of protected speech, in part, because his speech “amounted to nothing more than advocacy of illegal action at some indefinite future time,”[1] and therefore did not meet the imminence requirement.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action

  299. @matt
    I don't think Nasser came up with the idea for FGM:

    Historically, the first mention of male and female circumcision appears in the writings by the Greek geographer Strabo, who visited Egypt around 25 B.C.

    "One of the customs most zealously observed among the Egyptians is this, that they rear every child that is born, and circumcise the males, and excise the females," Strabo wrote in his 17-volume work Geographica.
     

    On another note, how do you guys feel about the Congo Free State? When can I order the t-shirts?

    On another note, how do you guys feel about the Congo Free State? When can I order the t-shirts?

    I’m always amazed how little attention the Congo Free State gets.

    For example, here’s the Amerind death toll in the USA from Independence on:

    United States, eradication of the American Indians (1775-1890) 350,000
    Russel Thornton, American Indian Holocaust and Survival (1987)
    Overall decline
    From 600,000 (in 1800) to 250,000 (in 1890s)
    Indian Wars, from a 1894 report by US Census, cited by Thornton. Includes men, woman and children killed, 1775-1890:
    Individual conflicts:
    Whites: 5,000
    Indians: 8,500
    Wars under the gov’t:
    Whites: 14,000
    Indians: 30-45,000
    TOTAL:
    Whites: 19,000
    Indians: 38,500 to 53,500
    TOTAL: 65,000 ± 7,500

    And here’s the Aboriginal death toll in Australia:

    Australia (1788-1921) 240,000
    Mark Cocker, Rivers of Blood, Rivers of Gold (1998)
    Australian mainland
    Ongoing frontier war: 2,000-2,500 whites and 20,000 Aborignies KIA (“best guess”, probably higher)
    General population decline: from 1M (1788) to 50,000 (ca. 1890) to 30,000 (1920s)
    Jared Diamond, The Third Chimpanzee (1993)
    Decline of the Aborgines
    From 300,000 (in 1788) to 60,000 (in 1921)
    Extermination of the Tasmanians
    From 5,000 (in 1800) to 200 (in 1830) to 3 (in 1869) to none (1877)
    Clodfelter: 2,500 Eur. and 20,000 Aborignies k. in wars, 1840-1901
    Bill Bryson, In a Sunburned Country (2001): 20,000 Aboriginies intentionally killed by whites.

    And for the the Maori in NZ:

    New Zealand (1800s) 200,000 [make link]
    Mark Cocker, Rivers of Blood, Rivers of Gold (1998)
    Maori pop: 240,000 (pre-contact) to 40,000 (1896)
    Clodfelter, Maori War (1860-72)
    UK, NZ: 700 k.
    Maori: 2,000

    But then compare that to the Congo Free State:

    In the absence of a census providing even an initial idea of the size of population of the region at the inception of the Congo Free State (the first was taken in 1924),[24] it is impossible to quantify population changes in the period. Despite this, Forbath claimed the loss was at least 5 million;[25] Adam Hochschild, and Isidore Ndaywel è Nziem, 10 million;[26][27] However no verifiable records exist. Louis and Stengers state that population figures at the start of Leopold’s control are only “wild guesses”, while calling E.D. Morel’s attempt and others at coming to a figure for population losses as “but figments of the imagination”.[28]

    Nevertheless, Hochschild cites several recent independent lines of investigation, by anthropologist Jan Vansina and others, that examine local sources (police records, religious records, oral traditions, genealogies, personal diaries), which generally agree with the assessment of the 1919 Belgian government commission: roughly half the population perished during the Free State period. Since the first official census by the Belgian authorities in 1924 put the population at about 10 million, these various approaches suggest a rough estimate of a total of 10 million dead.

    • Replies: @matt
    There are only a handful of English language books (nonfiction books, not counting Conrad and the like) written on the subject in the last half-century or so, that I'm aware of. Hothschild's and Forbath's are two of them, and Forbath's book isn't even exclusively devoted to the subject. The Cathedral must be slipping.
  300. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    The real question is: Was Dylann Storm Roof successful in his bid to start a race war?

    It is possible that we wont know for a while yet …

  301. @Truth

    It’s a miracle she was convicted of anything.
     
    Well you see Dave, as your mom used to tell you, miracles do happen!

    It was a long post, let me help you shorten it just a bit.

    "The four black defendants were convicted of sentences ranging from 35 years to death, by mixed black and white juries, for the double homicide of a white couple in Memphis, Tennessee."

    See, wasn't so hard.

    “The four black defendants were convicted of sentences ranging from 35 years to death, by mixed black and white juries, for the double homicide of a white couple in Memphis, Tennessee.”

    Hey, you’re the one who needs help, if it’s not too complicated for you to understand. The crime took place in Knoxville, not Memphis. By I-40, these very different cities are nearly 400 miles (391 by Google) apart.

    How can you explain anything to a dim bulb who mistakes Knoxville, Tennessee for Memphis, Tennessee?

  302. @syonredux

    On another note, how do you guys feel about the Congo Free State? When can I order the t-shirts?
     
    I'm always amazed how little attention the Congo Free State gets.

    For example, here's the Amerind death toll in the USA from Independence on:

    United States, eradication of the American Indians (1775-1890) 350,000
    Russel Thornton, American Indian Holocaust and Survival (1987)
    Overall decline
    From 600,000 (in 1800) to 250,000 (in 1890s)
    Indian Wars, from a 1894 report by US Census, cited by Thornton. Includes men, woman and children killed, 1775-1890:
    Individual conflicts:
    Whites: 5,000
    Indians: 8,500
    Wars under the gov't:
    Whites: 14,000
    Indians: 30-45,000
    TOTAL:
    Whites: 19,000
    Indians: 38,500 to 53,500
    TOTAL: 65,000 ± 7,500
     
    And here's the Aboriginal death toll in Australia:

    Australia (1788-1921) 240,000
    Mark Cocker, Rivers of Blood, Rivers of Gold (1998)
    Australian mainland
    Ongoing frontier war: 2,000-2,500 whites and 20,000 Aborignies KIA ("best guess", probably higher)
    General population decline: from 1M (1788) to 50,000 (ca. 1890) to 30,000 (1920s)
    Jared Diamond, The Third Chimpanzee (1993)
    Decline of the Aborgines
    From 300,000 (in 1788) to 60,000 (in 1921)
    Extermination of the Tasmanians
    From 5,000 (in 1800) to 200 (in 1830) to 3 (in 1869) to none (1877)
    Clodfelter: 2,500 Eur. and 20,000 Aborignies k. in wars, 1840-1901
    Bill Bryson, In a Sunburned Country (2001): 20,000 Aboriginies intentionally killed by whites.
     
    And for the the Maori in NZ:

    New Zealand (1800s) 200,000 [make link]
    Mark Cocker, Rivers of Blood, Rivers of Gold (1998)
    Maori pop: 240,000 (pre-contact) to 40,000 (1896)
    Clodfelter, Maori War (1860-72)
    UK, NZ: 700 k.
    Maori: 2,000
     
    But then compare that to the Congo Free State:

    In the absence of a census providing even an initial idea of the size of population of the region at the inception of the Congo Free State (the first was taken in 1924),[24] it is impossible to quantify population changes in the period. Despite this, Forbath claimed the loss was at least 5 million;[25] Adam Hochschild, and Isidore Ndaywel è Nziem, 10 million;[26][27] However no verifiable records exist. Louis and Stengers state that population figures at the start of Leopold's control are only "wild guesses", while calling E.D. Morel's attempt and others at coming to a figure for population losses as "but figments of the imagination".[28]

    Nevertheless, Hochschild cites several recent independent lines of investigation, by anthropologist Jan Vansina and others, that examine local sources (police records, religious records, oral traditions, genealogies, personal diaries), which generally agree with the assessment of the 1919 Belgian government commission: roughly half the population perished during the Free State period. Since the first official census by the Belgian authorities in 1924 put the population at about 10 million, these various approaches suggest a rough estimate of a total of 10 million dead.
     

    There are only a handful of English language books (nonfiction books, not counting Conrad and the like) written on the subject in the last half-century or so, that I’m aware of. Hothschild’s and Forbath’s are two of them, and Forbath’s book isn’t even exclusively devoted to the subject. The Cathedral must be slipping.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    There are only a handful of English language books (nonfiction books, not counting Conrad and the like) written on the subject in the last half-century or so, that I’m aware of. Hothschild’s and Forbath’s are two of them, and Forbath’s book isn’t even exclusively devoted to the subject. The Cathedral must be slipping.
     
    There's just no percentage in talking about bad things that done were by Belgians.In contrast, there's a huge market for books on Anglo misdeeds.
  303. @SPMoore8
    Don't forget Dean Corll the "Pied Piper" in Texas, with >28 victims. He also was gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

    It looks like human sexuality can easily be led down a path towards domination, violence, murder and even cannibalism. That may be why, in olden times, there used to be this thing called sexual morality.

    Also the Black Doodler, who was African American and homosexual.

  304. @matt
    There are only a handful of English language books (nonfiction books, not counting Conrad and the like) written on the subject in the last half-century or so, that I'm aware of. Hothschild's and Forbath's are two of them, and Forbath's book isn't even exclusively devoted to the subject. The Cathedral must be slipping.

    There are only a handful of English language books (nonfiction books, not counting Conrad and the like) written on the subject in the last half-century or so, that I’m aware of. Hothschild’s and Forbath’s are two of them, and Forbath’s book isn’t even exclusively devoted to the subject. The Cathedral must be slipping.

    There’s just no percentage in talking about bad things that done were by Belgians.In contrast, there’s a huge market for books on Anglo misdeeds.

  305. @Kylie

    Never forget Thornton.
     
    Cookie or Omar?

    Never forget Thornton.

    Cookie or Omar?

    Wilder.

  306. @Jefferson
    "The saddest part about this whole thing is that Rhodesia will be less cool now. Apparently, even dumb crackers with bowl cuts and dead looks in their eyes have heard about Rhodesia. Hipster fascists will have to find some other retro 70s racist state to idolize. But what’s left? Portuguese Angola? But that’s so boring…"

    There is the current situation in The Dominican Republic, where lot of Haitians are being deported back to Haiti. But that one is going to be hard to put the blame on White people because it is Dominican Mulattoes "discriminating" against Black as midnight Haitians. But I suppose the Left Wing Megaphone in America could spin the story and refer to these Dominican Mulattoes as "White Hispanics" who are discriminating against poor little innocent Haitian Negroes who ain't do nuthin, except of course violate another country's immigration laws.

    Hey there’s an idea! You guys could start a cult around Rafael Trujillo!

  307. @Mr. Anon
    White guy kills some black people - this is like Christmas for "Truth". He obviously is enjoying himself. I bet he wishes it'd happen more often. Personally, I feel sad for the victims of this heinous murder, whose lives were cut short by an evil little twerp.

    But for "Truth", it's more important to score some debating points than actually - you know - feeling any kind of human empathy. It gives some insight into just what an awful, rotten, sociopathic jerk "Truth" is.

    “Personally, I feel sad for the victims of this heinous murder, whose lives were cut short by an evil little twerp.”

    Congrats, Old Winston, you’ve officially become proficient in PC doublespeak. I hear there’s an opening at the Ministry of Truth that I think you’d do great in. Maybe you’d do great at your “advanced” age in the Feminist Studies department at your nearest Ivy League Institution.

    One minor quibble though; I don’t know that a man who murders 9 people qualifies as a “little twerp.” Generally, this sort of moniker is given to one who rides his tricycle through an old lady’s flower bed. That is, unless of course you would describe Letalvis Cobbins as a “little twerp” as well (c’mon try it out for size, “Oooh that darn little twerp Letalvis, kidnapping, robbing and raping beautiful white women, and dropping water balloons onto cars from the overpass! He’s incorrigible).

    Now my friend, if that last sentence doesn’t get you to evaluate your inner mentality, nothing will.

    But for “Truth”, it’s more important to score some debating points than actually – you know – feeling any kind of human empathy. It gives some insight into just what an awful, rotten, sociopathic jerk “Truth” is.

    Now I can’t honestly say that your characterization of me is far off, but does that give you an excuse to be that as well?

    • Replies: @Rifleman

    I don’t know that a man who murders 9 people qualifies as a “little twerp.”
     
    It is like saying Roof got "a little bit rambunctious" there in the church.
  308. @Truth
    "Personally, I feel sad for the victims of this heinous murder, whose lives were cut short by an evil little twerp."

    Congrats, Old Winston, you've officially become proficient in PC doublespeak. I hear there's an opening at the Ministry of Truth that I think you'd do great in. Maybe you'd do great at your "advanced" age in the Feminist Studies department at your nearest Ivy League Institution.

    One minor quibble though; I don't know that a man who murders 9 people qualifies as a "little twerp." Generally, this sort of moniker is given to one who rides his tricycle through an old lady's flower bed. That is, unless of course you would describe Letalvis Cobbins as a "little twerp" as well (c'mon try it out for size, "Oooh that darn little twerp Letalvis, kidnapping, robbing and raping beautiful white women, and dropping water balloons onto cars from the overpass! He's incorrigible).

    Now my friend, if that last sentence doesn't get you to evaluate your inner mentality, nothing will.


    But for “Truth”, it’s more important to score some debating points than actually – you know – feeling any kind of human empathy. It gives some insight into just what an awful, rotten, sociopathic jerk “Truth” is.


    Now I can't honestly say that your characterization of me is far off, but does that give you an excuse to be that as well?

    I don’t know that a man who murders 9 people qualifies as a “little twerp.”

    It is like saying Roof got “a little bit rambunctious” there in the church.

  309. It is like saying Roof got “a little bit rambunctious” there in the church.

    I’ll tell you Bro, it’s pitiful. According to Grasshopper, a 21-year old man who murders 9 people he doesn’t know IN A CHURCH earns the label of “little twerp” whereas a 17 year-old boy who has gotten into to a few fights and been suspended a couple of times from school gets killed on the way home from 7-11 and, earns the title “vicious, dangerous thug.”

    And this is AFTER I pointed out the hypocrisy in his first 4 posts.

    But that’s not even the worst part of it! This same gentleman who refers to a mass murderer as a “little twerp” and a high-school kid who’s fought a few other kids as a “vicious thug” will be whining up a storm, on a thread tomorrow, talking about:

    “OOOOOUWHHY DOES THE MEEE-DEE-UHH ALWAYZZE POR-TRAY WHOOOITT MEN AS WIMMPS ON TEEE-VEEEE?!?!?!”

    I’ll tell you man, after 50 years of conditioning, the illuminati has made it impossible for so many dudes to connect dots, they just aren’t capable of it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    You mean gaybashers who attempt to lobotomize suspected pederasts ("He's not that way") via concrete therapy aren't "vicious, dangerous thugs"?

    If this is what you believe, Truth, then… I agree with you! It's perfectly normal for any red-blooded boy to want to murder the pervert who follows him and lusts for his glutes. I believe defense attorneys call this "gay panic".

    But we don't countenance such murders for the same reason we don'texecute rapists-- not because the rapist or pederast doesn't deserve it, but because we may be wrong, and this particular person might not be a rapist or a pederast.
  310. Yes, everyone knows “evil” is so much kinder a word than “vicious.” You spent a lot of hot air ignoring that distinction, kudos.

  311. @Perspective
    A completely senseless crime, and like many others the shooter was another white druggie.

    That said, if this had been say Muslims or even blacks that had perpetrated a crime like this, there would by now be endless talk from the MSM of a backlash from whites. We've already seen police officers killed in revenge attacks, yet the media is silent on any potential backlash in this case.

    Hm, I feel like this is mostly because they know manufactured stories about white backlash won’t self-actualize, but manufactured stories about backlash against whites very well might. We saw in Ferguson and Baltimore what happens when you rile up black people…

  312. @Truth



    It is like saying Roof got “a little bit rambunctious” there in the church.

     

    I'll tell you Bro, it's pitiful. According to Grasshopper, a 21-year old man who murders 9 people he doesn't know IN A CHURCH earns the label of "little twerp" whereas a 17 year-old boy who has gotten into to a few fights and been suspended a couple of times from school gets killed on the way home from 7-11 and, earns the title "vicious, dangerous thug."

    And this is AFTER I pointed out the hypocrisy in his first 4 posts.

    But that's not even the worst part of it! This same gentleman who refers to a mass murderer as a "little twerp" and a high-school kid who's fought a few other kids as a "vicious thug" will be whining up a storm, on a thread tomorrow, talking about:

    "OOOOOUWHHY DOES THE MEEE-DEE-UHH ALWAYZZE POR-TRAY WHOOOITT MEN AS WIMMPS ON TEEE-VEEEE?!?!?!"

    I'll tell you man, after 50 years of conditioning, the illuminati has made it impossible for so many dudes to connect dots, they just aren't capable of it.

    You mean gaybashers who attempt to lobotomize suspected pederasts (“He’s not that way”) via concrete therapy aren’t “vicious, dangerous thugs”?

    If this is what you believe, Truth, then… I agree with you! It’s perfectly normal for any red-blooded boy to want to murder the pervert who follows him and lusts for his glutes. I believe defense attorneys call this “gay panic”.

    But we don’t countenance such murders for the same reason we don’texecute rapists– not because the rapist or pederast doesn’t deserve it, but because we may be wrong, and this particular person might not be a rapist or a pederast.

    • Replies: @Truth
    And who, exactly is a "gaybasher?" Would this Be Martin? How does a 17 year old, on his way home, being afraid of a grown man following him around buildings at night become a "gaybasher."

    Hm, I feel like this is mostly because they know manufactured stories about white backlash won’t self-actualize,
     
    I really don't follow.


    Yes, everyone knows “evil” is so much kinder a word than “vicious.” You spent a lot of hot air ignoring that distinction, kudos.
     
    Yeah, that evil little scamp Letalvis Cobbins...
  313. @Reg Cæsar
    You mean gaybashers who attempt to lobotomize suspected pederasts ("He's not that way") via concrete therapy aren't "vicious, dangerous thugs"?

    If this is what you believe, Truth, then… I agree with you! It's perfectly normal for any red-blooded boy to want to murder the pervert who follows him and lusts for his glutes. I believe defense attorneys call this "gay panic".

    But we don't countenance such murders for the same reason we don'texecute rapists-- not because the rapist or pederast doesn't deserve it, but because we may be wrong, and this particular person might not be a rapist or a pederast.

    And who, exactly is a “gaybasher?” Would this Be Martin? How does a 17 year old, on his way home, being afraid of a grown man following him around buildings at night become a “gaybasher.”

    Hm, I feel like this is mostly because they know manufactured stories about white backlash won’t self-actualize,

    I really don’t follow.

    Yes, everyone knows “evil” is so much kinder a word than “vicious.” You spent a lot of hot air ignoring that distinction, kudos.

    Yeah, that evil little scamp Letalvis Cobbins…

  314. @The most deplorable one

    In 1998 the attackers were granted amnesty for their participation by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
     
    So, I guess Roof can look forward to being granted amnesty then, can't he?

    I guess Al Sharpton will oppose to grant amnesty to Roof.

    There’s more on the Wikipedia entry about St. James Church

    On 27 August 2002, Gcinikhaya Makoma was arrested along with six others following a cash-in-transit heist of a Standard Bank cash van in Constantia, Cape Town, in which R1.8 million was stolen. He and the others were later acquitted, with the magistrate finding that the prosecution case had been badly put together and that documents had been falsified by an investigating officer. Gcinikhaya Makoma was eventually found guilty on 16 February 2012 of murder and robbery and sentenced to life and 46 years in prison for his role in a December 2007 cash van heist in Parow, Cape Town.

    There’s a bit more on the table on the following links

    http://barelyablog.com/old-south-african-flag-not-nazi-insignia/

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/06/19/survivor-of-1993-church-massacre-by-gods-grace-i-managed-to-return-fire/

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