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Zach Goldberg’s Twitter account (@ZachG932) does a lot of interesting deep dives into survey research:

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Young (18-34) whites exhibit the lowest in-group bias of any racial/ethnic group, while white liberals are the only demographic to register a pro-outgroup bias (#whiteguilt)

Somewhat relatedly, a clear majority of young white libs and dems think that a majority-minority America would “strengthens the country”, while a majority of mods, indeps, reps and cons say that it ‘doesn’t make a difference.’

Screenshot 2018-12-16 22.13.48

Interestingly, the big young white conservative vs. young white liberal disagreement is over whether the coming “majority minority” population “Doesn’t make much difference” versus “Strengthens the country.”

Agnosticism on Diversity is hateful. Only true believers are acceptable.

 
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  1. Roger says:

    So Whites are the least prejudiced and most cucked ethnic group on Earth? That is consistent with my experience.

    • Replies: @John Derbyshire
  2. So young conservatives are as clueless as young liberals. Not encouraging.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @ATBOTL
  3. indocon says:

    Would love to see these results at the depths of the upcoming recession.

  4. indocon says:

    Would love to see these results of the depth of the upcoming recession, money can buy peace only as long as it’s coming from the taps.

  5. Anonym says:

    Those conservatives sampled are dr3 freeper types.

    • Replies: @Corn
  6. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    while white liberals are the only demographic to register a pro-outgroup bias (#whiteguilt)

    What causes in people “pro-outgroup bias”? Does the field of Psychology have any relevant theories, empirical studies?

  7. Bill B. says:

    The combination of the two charts is pretty depressing. The n is quite small.

  8. So, young white people hold the most suicidal views of all groups. Given that older white people are already the most actually suicidal of all groups, I’d say the Agenda is going swimmingly.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  9. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna

    So, young white people hold the most suicidal views of all groups.

    Nature or nurture?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  10. Hail says: • Website

    As you may know, Hispanics/Latinos Blacks, Asians, and other minorities are expected to make up more than half the U.S. population by the middle of this century. Do you think this increase:

    – [Strengthens the country]
    – [Weakens the country]
    – [Doesn’t make much difference] ?

    I would call this a “leading question.”

    Several issues with this question including possible subtle signals to the respondent (every word counts) to answer the right way:

    (1) Why does the word ‘White’ not appear? The question could be phrased a lot more directly. Why is it phrased so indirectly?

    (2) Ambiguity on what “Strengthens the country” vs. “Weakens the country” mean. There are obvious ways (or at least well-known arguments on how) it does both. Since both answers are correct, the use of this ‘strengthen/weaken’ framing may be an appeal to U.S. patriotism to elicit a ‘Strengthen’ responses and suppress ‘Weaken’ responses. Psychologically, who wants to say the country is weakening?

    (3) Use of the term ‘Strengthen’ immediately calls to mind the political slogan, “Diversity is our Greatest Strength.” Respondents to this survey, U.S. Whites born 1983 to 1999, will all have heard it, many will make the connection and assume that is the right answer; enough to get a nice little Strengthen response bump.

    (4) Ambiguity on what “Doesn’t make a difference” means. A difference to what/whom?

    (5) The use of the nonthreatening term “minorities.” This despite the very premise of the question being “non-White groups as collective majority.” But the scary word ‘majority’ is not used.

    (6) The use of the positive-seeming term “increase.” Could draw a lot of respondents to focus only on rising immigrant numbers and not even consider White relative decline, as it is not mentioned. So it is just an “increase.” No other effects. If something is inferred to be positive-sum and not zero-sum, who would say ‘No’? Just the mean-spirited.

    • Agree: Trevor H.
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  11. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @indocon

    Would love to see these results at the depths of the upcoming recession.

    What makes you think there is an upcoming recession?

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    , @TTSSYF
  12. @Houston Texican

    It’s called fear of doxxing, old man. It really is important.

  13. Tyrion 2 says:

    The real meaning of “strong” is actually “percentage black and Latino”. As in strong enough to endure millenia of oppression.

    Are any of you going to argue that blacks and Latinos becoming the majority is not increasing their percentage? Do you not know maths?

    Check mate fascsists!

  14. LondonBob says:

    No consideration by this graph maker of the long ignored oppressed minority amongst us who are colour blind in regards to red and green, many a game of snooker have I lost due to my difficulties of telling the brown from the red ball on the green table.

    All the propaganda is aimed at whites and especially impressionable young minds, I wonder what the results are amongst the older generations and perhaps amongst generation Z.

    • Replies: @Anon
  15. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    The same thing that causes any other religious phenomenon. We are wired to believe insane things, be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or the cult of diversity. A love of Diversity™ is filling the vacuum that has been left by the slow but inexorable waning of Christianity.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. AndrewR says:
    @Hail

    It’s quite silly to think of “non-white” people being a “collective majority,” especially when most of these “non-white” people will have a significant proportion of “white” genes. In Orwellian America, a “white” person and a “non-white” person can only create a “non-white” child, even if the “non-white” parent is mostly “white.”

    I personally think the “browning of America” is, on the whole, a bad thing for our society and, arguably, for the world. But it’s certainly not as bad as white national Chicken Littles are making it out to be. I think everyone needs to think about this issue a bit more dispassionately.

  17. AndrewR says:

    If Hebrews can divide and conquer, then so can we white goyim. The natural fault lines in the “coalition of the fringes” are utterly obvious, and we need to exploit them mercilessly. I look at the “diversification of America” as a treasure trove of potential for hilarity. Just look at the Wymyn’s March: led by an angry Israel[/Jew]-hating Palestinian hijabi. Let the games begin!

  18. Moses says:

    You may not be interested in ethnocentrism, White Man, but make no mistake ethnocentrism is interested in YOU.

    • Agree: Corn
  19. I follow Zach’s twitter religiously but I’m calling b.s. on this one until we know how the data was collected. If it was door to door interviews, or some other personal interaction was involved, then all it really measured is white people’s relative need to please the interviewer with masochistic answers.

    Even so, talk about depressing. Reminds me of that Malcolm X quote, “Only a fool lets his enemy teach his children.” He was right and now we see what happens.

    • Replies: @Hail
  20. Bill P says:

    How many of them actually believe what they’re saying? The few young white liberals with whom I’m acquainted may talk the talk, but they sure don’t walk the walk. As far as I can tell, they’re fleeing diversity with as much urgency as previous generations, if not more.

    From my observations, it’s probably moderate young whites who are most likely to believe the dogma. The liberals are so strident that it’s clear they’re overdoing it. Want to see a “safe space” for white people? Go to an organic food coop. Btw, something funny about these food coops run by uber liberals is that a lot of the produce they buy is grown by hardcore right-wing survivalist types. It’s almost as though liberal climate fanatic locavores and Christian apocalypse preppers have more than a little in common with each other.

    • Replies: @Corn
  21. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR

    How exactly could one go about inculcating a pro-outgroup bias in people? What tactics?

  22. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR

    The natural fault lines in the “coalition of the fringes” are utterly obvious,

    Name five then.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  23. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    There has been a significant common feature of recent elections both here and in Europe. This is the trend of educated and affluent suburban whites toward leftist candidates. In Germany the Green Party has surged into second place from the outer fringes in that country’s most wealthy areas. Similarly, the substantial Republican erosion in America’s transient white bubble-burbs was a key contributor to the Democrats’ large outperformance in the mid-terms. Of course we may never know how truly large that performance was, as votes will presumably continue being counted until the Dems win whatever number of seats their sponsors consider sufficient.

    Regardless of media-approved irregularities, on both sides of the Atlantic the same cohort seems to be smugly sliding a knife into their children’s necks. It’s worth contemplating the psychology of why…

    https://kakistocracyblog.wordpress.com/2018/12/16/the-poverty-of-wealth/

  24. @Anonymous

    Relentless propaganda and behavioral conditioning.

    There are loads of studies of this. And some real-life experiments. The Nazis and Commies come to mind.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  25. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    My best guess what be to study and emulate what our enemies did to successfully inculcate so much anti-white hate.

  26. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    Jew v muz

    Gay v muz

    Black v gay

    Muz v feminist

    TERF v trans

    Etc

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  27. It’s very common for “diversity” to be praised in movies, tv sitcoms, sports, music, media, politics, corporate work places, academia, schools, libraries, etc. So a lot of people just “go with the flow” and adopt whatever mantra is being chanted, especially since “diversity” sounds relatively innocuous. They don’t think much about it, they just go along to get along.

    Most people actually don’t realize that ethnic proportions are a zero-sum game. So when you say America is becoming more “diverse,” most people don’t realize that also means less White. When you explicitly tell people that Whites are in decline, suddenly people get more worried.

    If Whites have less in-group bias than other groups, there are at least a couple reasons why.

    1. From the early 60s through today, the American ruling (((establishment))) has been working very hard to erode any sense of White racial unity. Schools, neighborhoods, workplaces, buses, and public facilities were desegregated in the 60s. The interracial marriage ban was struck down too. Affirmative action was instituted to bring Blacks into White environments. Those who resisted these changes were denounced by the media and political establishment. Those who fought back physically were jailed. Over the last five decades, Whites have been made to understand that White ethnic nepotism is morally deplorable and illegal. Those who continue with this practice will be ostracized, fired, or even locked up. Since most Whites are norm-abiding, they sort of just went along.

    2. After the end of WWII, the White population began to become increasingly socially atomized, individualistic, and deracinated. I think there were many reasons why (such as the social isolation that comes from moving out to the suburbs), but this erosion in tribal identity has been happening for many decades. Most modern day Whites consider themselves individuals without any broad group-level identity. To the extent they have any identity, it comes from affiliating with a sports team or maybe their Alma Mater. This partly explains why Whites don’t form a more united front against Non-Whites or immigrants.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    , @AndrewR
    , @ben tillman
  28. @Anonymous

    Most White gentile liberals don’t feel proud or ashamed of their White identity. They’re neutral. They feel that their racial identity isn’t something that defines them or matters one way or the other.

    However, if you want to be a member in good standing of the progressive movement, you have to constantly praise diversity and at least mildly disdain Whiteness. So left-leaning White gentiles just conform to the norms of the movement, in order to be included.

    White gentiles don’t actually hate their Whiteness, however, they’re just indifferent. A lot of them feel like the world would be a better place if we just ignored skin color and ethnic ancestry.

    That’s why White gentiles gravitate to post-racial candidates (like Obama) and feel a strong aversion towards black racialists (like Sharpton). If they truly had an outgroup preference, they’d like guys like Sharpton and Farrakhan.

    One more point to remember is that White liberals tend to be effete and weak. So a lot of them are cowed into submission by Non-White racial activists (especially blacks) and Jews. This intimidation of them doesn’t make them happy, but they just let it happen because they want to be apart of the liberal movement.

    In real life, only a small percentage of Whites have any type of out-group preference. Lots of Whites, however, feel a lot of pressure to lie on the survey.

    • Replies: @Anonym
  29. Anon[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @LondonBob

    I wonder what the results are amongst the older generations and perhaps amongst generation Z.

    Wikipedia defines Generation Z as born between the mid 90s and mid ’00s. That would make these young people fall between the ages of about 13 – 23 y/o.

    Just anecdotal, my two nephews (from a upper-upper middle class in-tact family) at the younger end of the Gen Z generation are both very good students but have seemed pretty clueless about race and current events. Though recently, I’ve overheard them quietly comment about how stupid the Mexican students at their public school are.

  30. @Almost Missouri

    Relentless propaganda and behavioral conditioning” – yes, but you have to be susceptible to that propaganda and whites (esp Anglos/Hajnalers) are more susceptible than most after hundreds of years where being pro-outgroup (i.e. your fellow-countrymen rather than your immediate family) and respecting “the authorities” (again your fellow countrymen) was successful from an evolutionary point of view.

    Respecting “the authorities” now (legal, educational, media) is very bad from an evolutionary point of view, because many of “the authorities” don’t have any links to you, either cultural or genetic.

  31. @Anonymous

    The media, entertainment industry, and even politicians constantly praise out group-biased Whites. Such Whites are portrayed as morally exemplary and sometimes even offered career advancement.

    These same institutions denounce in group-biased Whites. Such Whites are portrayed as subhuman degenerates, often being fired and blackballed from society.

    If you’re an average White with a weak sense of racial identity and a desire to avoid punishment, what side would you take?

  32. @Redneck farmer

    Well, they need to all get TF over it, RF. The Founders of this country put their fortunes and honor (not every meaningful in the Twitter age) on the line, not to mention their lives, once they put their names down on that Declaration.

    Yeah, I know, I’m an anonymous guy with a blog, but when it comes down to it, I don’t care as much as most. It still comes down to what I keep saying though. There’s strength in numbers. Many don’t really seem to get how that works.

  33. LondonBob says:
    @AndrewR

    Of course the other side tries to split us by claiming Irish people aren’t white, or Spain isn’t part of Europe, or gays must prioritise their homosexual identity.

  34. There they go with that “majority-minority” crap again too. Do they realize how stupid that term sounds? Maybe that should be a survey question, or at least something on the math SATs.

    BTW, I just put this up on a Buchanan thread yesterday, as my man Barry deserves some credit, Steve, for the young ‘uns who don’t know where your title comes from.

  35. @Redneck farmer

    BTW, I don’t know if you were referring to the survey itself, Redneck. I don’t know how it was taken, but I am pretty sure fear of doxing WOULD play a part in the answers from white people.

  36. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @AndrewR

    Obama is half-white. Please tell me all the pro-white things that he did as president because I can’t remember any.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Reg Cæsar
  37. BTW, I read a sad story of a suicide of a white teenager from a link I got off a commenter here and discussed it in “His name was Patrick McCalley”. The kid made some joking racial comments on some piece of social media, got the 3rd-degree from the educational version of our police state, figured his life was ruined, and killed himself when he got home, just before his Dad got home.

    The kid would have had nobody backing him up at school, most likely even his best friends or girl friend (if he had one, I dunno). There’s strength in numbers. If you don’t have that, yeah, you end up with a sad story like this. If I were the Dad, all bets would be off right now.

    • Replies: @densa
  38. @Anonymous

    “How exactly could one go about inculcating a pro-outgroup bias in people? What tactics?”

    Show footage on national news every time a minority is attacked by a white. Give huge coverage to murders of minorities by Brits (Stephen Lawrence in UK).

    Ignore the far greater numbers of minority attacks on whites, don’t show video. Downplay murders of whites by minorities (Knoxville horror).

    Simples!

    The same with international coverage – how many big-eyed, bewildered Yemeni children each night on the news? Compare with the coverage of Aleppo three years back.

    Wiki seems to have a temporary outbreak of truth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Aleppo_(2012%E2%80%932016)#Media_coverage

    “The coverage of the siege of Aleppo in the Western media emphasised the suffering of civilians and often contained graphic pictures of injured and dying children. As the were almost no international journalists there, the reporting was outsourced to local activists linked to the rebels who held the city. This was significantly different from the news coverage of the sieges of Raqqa and Mosul carried out by the Coalition forces, where the civilian losses were downplayed.”

  39. Trevor H. says:
    @Anonymous

    Well, there’s this thing called capitalism, see, and it sports this feature called the business cycle, see…

    And if you don’t like that explanation, consider the likelihood that ‘the powers that be’ would permit a strong economy in the year of the next presidential election. Oh, it’s coming.

  40. Trevor H. says:
    @AndrewR

    I like your “look on the bright side” mentality. It comes in handy, for instance, when your house is burning down. With just a little resourcefulness, you can use the searing hot flames for roasting marshmallows. Win-win, right?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  41. TTSSYF says:
    @Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, I’ve been hearing from several financial experts over the past few months that a recession in 2019 is very likely.

  42. TTSSYF says:
    @AndrewR

    I don’t think those will be exploitable anytime soon. There are still too many straight, white gentiles to hate and conquer. “The enemy of my enemy…”

  43. AndrewR says:
    @Trevor H.

    Congrats, you win the Dumbest Analogy of the Year award.

  44. TTSSYF says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Hitler seems to have fatally damaged any possibility of white, gentile self-preservation, at least, for many decades, if not centuries. Nobody wants to be thought of as “literally Hitler”. This country also apparently had it too good following WWII and could afford to indulge in all kinds of suicidal nonsense, not the least of which was changing the immigration laws in 1965 and opening the floodgates to millions of unassimilable people from the Third World. It’s reaching a frenzied pitch right now, with the younger generations having been brainwashed since kindergarten and the media, including advertising, blasting out the message that white, gentile minority status is both inevitable and a good thing.

    Whites have a strong sense of compassion and less desire to brag and, as a consequence, feel sorry for less intelligent people. Thus, the self-deprecation and deliberate dumbing down of everything. Why else would we have to listen to an intelligent conversation take a nosedive when it’s time for Juan Williams or Al Sharpton to speak?

    • Replies: @Lurker
  45. AndrewR says:
    @Joe Walker

    I didn’t say he did anything pro-white, but what Democrat has in recent decades?

  46. Anonym says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    From the Watership Down movie of 1978, Cowslip was something of a white liberal rabbit. I can’t find the exact movie snippet but here is the dialogue:

    No, we need dignity, and above all, the will to accept our fate.

    As one of our poets is fond of saying, if I may quote…

    – Yes, of course. – Please, do.

    “Where are you going, stream?

    “Far, far away.

    “Take me with you, stream.

    “Take me on your dark journey.

    “Lord Frith, take me far away, to the hearts of light.

    “The silence. I give you my breath.

  47. AndrewR says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It’s a bad look to imply a moral equivalence between supporting forced segregation and opposing forced integration (although obviously they’re not mutually exclusive).

  48. Luke Lea says:

    When upper- and upper-middle-class whites say a minority-majority society will strengthen America, some of them mean (or are subconsciously thinking) it will strengthen their place in it. Cynical knaves certainly think that way, and a disproportionate number of the 10,000 wealthiest families in America (the donor class) are woke in that sense.

  49. Svigor says:

    It’s funny, but a lot of the white folks I meet, they start out “anti-racist.” Then they rapidly become more and more racist as they get to know me better. Talking various age groups here.

    It almost seems like the sort of thing that would fool pollsters, survey-takers, etc.

    But that would be like suggesting that lots of people in the USSR were only pretending to love the Party.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  50. Corn says:
    @Anonym

    Freeper. Heh. Does anyone under the age of 45 post on Free Republic?

    • Replies: @Anonym
  51. Svigor says:
    @AndrewR

    In Orwellian America, a “white” person and a “non-white” person can only create a “non-white” child, even if the “non-white” parent is mostly “white.”

    Where’s the lie tho?

    • Troll: AndrewR
  52. Svigor says:
    @Svigor

    Know who’re the most racist? Yankees. They leave lily-white wherever and get down here where it’s 30-40 percent black and they’re agog. They haven’t had a lifetime of training in how to keep it on the DL.

  53. Corn says:
    @Bill P

    “It’s almost as though liberal climate fanatic locavores and Christian apocalypse preppers have more than a little in common with each other.”

    It’s long been said that if one person is far enough to the left and one is far enough to the right they, well, won’t meet in the middle but they will bump into each other around the corner.

  54. Svigor says:

    “How exactly could one go about inculcating a pro-outgroup bias in people? What tactics?”

    Show footage on national news every time a minority is attacked by a white. Give huge coverage to murders of minorities by Brits (Stephen Lawrence in UK).

    Impart the impression that high-status whites are all pro-outgroup and the alternative is pro-ingroup rubery. The herd will follow their mass indoctrination, over time.

    See, the idea is to convince whites that the only way they’ll fit in with other whites is via outgroupism. It’s an absurd contradiction that NPCs don’t even seem to know exists.

  55. Anon7 says:

    I’m stunned that 60% of white conservatives don’t think that a white minority America won’t make any difference.

  56. Anon7 says:
    @John Derbyshire

    Was this always the case? I wonder if two world wars didn’t remove too many of the masculine men from the breeding pool? Or do you think that Glubb is right, that we’re at the end of empire?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  57. @Redneck farmer

    The ghost of Lavrentiy Beria smiles as the new Stalinists wield their doxxing weapon.

  58. @John Derbyshire

    White people are pussies.

    That’s what Ellis Cose said about his high school and neighborhood in Philadelphia. But black toughs learned quickly enough to make an exception for Italians. Not so much because they were tough, but because they were crazy. You never could predict how they’d react.

  59. @Joe Walker

    Obama is half-white. Please tell me all the pro-white things that he did as president because I can’t remember any.

    He did plenty for the whites on the left graph. Steve also posted the photo of his campaign’s tech team. Lowered white unemployment, at least on the coasts. (Especially the coast of Lake Michigan.)

    The whitest move Obama made was calling Ugandans “odious”.

    But that standard is White People’s, not that of us, “the wrong kind of white people”.

  60. Hail says: • Website

    Zach Goldberg’s Twitter account

    The data is from a survey called Generation Forward [pdf].

    Generation Forward. Right. That name, alone, should raise ‘bias’ red flags. Then you read the survey’s subtitle and the deal is sealed:

    The “Woke” Generation? Millennial Attitudes on Race in the US

    _________________

    Browsing through the Generation Forward survey PDF, what immediately strikes you is the left-wing status signaling, really on every page; have a look yourself as examples do not suffice, but I would note in passing that the term “Latinxs” is used exclusively.

    Another curious little methodology red flag, probably an artifact of inferred surveyor bias, is that Blacks were found to be more in favor of the Alt Right than Whites (Figure 7). Blacks respondents in their survey said “[The Alt Right] have a lot of good ideas ” at a higher rate than Whites (p.18 of pdf). This clashes with other findings suggesting substantial soft support for Alt Right ideas among Whites.

    • Replies: @Hail
  61. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    Generation Forward is the work of a clique at the University of Chicago.

    Authors:

    Cathy J. Cohen, Matthew Fowler, Vladimir E. Medenica and Jon C. Rogowski

    Not sure how many sets of brackets are required between these four.

    Vlad Medenica calls himself a native Spanish speaker and is the least likely to be Jewish. Fowler and Rogowski may be Jewish. The name Cathy Cohen appears throughout all their CVs, incl. as an academic reference. She is the ringleader of this endeavor.

    Rogowski

    Fowler

    Matthew Fowler on himself:

    My research agenda focuses on group consciousness and intergroup attitudes as applied to white identity and racial attitudes, affective political polarization, and public opinion in American politics

    Ever notice how, if you see words like those in bold from an academic, you just know what’s coming next? Grab your political wallet, metaphorically speaking.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  62. Hail says: • Website
    @AndrewR

    In Orwellian America, a “white” person and a “non-white” person can only create a “non-white” child, even if the “non-white” parent is mostly “white.” [….] I think everyone needs to think about this issue a bit more dispassionately.

    If public opinion is wanted, simplicity is useful.

    What use is there in some poll question like: “As you may have heard, the U.S. genepool is projected to have a 20% Central American Amerindian contribution by 2040, twice the share of Subsaharan genes at 10%/ East Asian genes are predicted to approach 10% by this time. Do you support this coming racial-ancestral-stock genetic balance for the U.S. population, or would you prefer an alternative genetic balance? If so, state which genetic balance you would prefer.”

    • Replies: @Svigor
  63. @Anon7

    Depends on where we are in the cycle. The clock may have started ticking in 1789, or in 1865, or in 1945. Recall the frontier didn’t close until 1890.

    I’m thinking 1789. The political imbalances are getting pretty extreme.

    • Replies: @Hail
  64. @John Derbyshire

    You are exhibit A of this pussiness. You imported a Chinese dragon lady and you have Chinese offspring. You have written that Asians are smarter than whites.

    If you dislike whites so much, why do you continue to live in the West?

  65. By white liberals they mean (((white liberals))).

  66. Lurker says:

    Unilateral disarmament not a recipe for success.

  67. Hail says: • Website
    @Song For the Deaf

    I’m calling b.s. on this one until we know how the data was collected. If it was door to door interviews, or some other personal interaction was involved, then all it really measured is white people’s relative need to please the interviewer with masochistic answers.

    There was personal interaction involved, in which potential respondents were contacted directly and invited to join. 94% to actually completed the survey by web.

    There was a high non-answer rate (only 5% fully completed the survey).

    It’s unclear if anonymity was expected, and if so if it was explicit or implied. It would seem anonymity may not have been expected by many respondents, bc they received cash compensation for their answers.

    White respondents n=510.

    See page 44 of the Generation Forward survey pdf; I will quote it here:

    [MORE]

    VII. Survey Methodology

    The GenForward survey is a project of Professor Cathy J. Cohen at the University of Chicago. Interviews for this survey were conducted with a representative sample from GenForwardSM, a nationally representative survey panel of adults ages 18-34 recruited and administered by NORC at the University of Chicago and funded by grants to the University of Chicago from the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation and the Ford Foundation.

    A total of 1,816 interviews were conducted between August 31 and September 16, 2017 with adults ages 18-34 representing the 50 states and the District of Columbia, including completed interviews with 503 African American young adults, 258 Asian American young adults, 505 Latinx young adults, 510 white young adults, and 40 young adults with other racial and ethnic backgrounds. The survey was offered in English and Spanish and via telephone and web modes.

    The GenForward survey was built from two sample sources: Sixty-five percent of the completed interviews are sourced from NORC’s AmeriSpeak® Panel. AmeriSpeak is a probability-based panel that also uses address-based sample but sourced from the NORC National Frame with enhanced sample coverage. During the initial recruitment phase of the AmeriSpeak panel, randomly selected U.S. households were sampled with a known, non-zero probability of selection and then contacted by U.S. mail, email, telephone, and field interviewers (face-to-face).

    Thirty-five percent of the completed interviews are sourced from the Black Youth Project (BYP) panel of young adults recruited by NORC. The BYP sample is from a probability-based household panel that uses an address-based sample from a registered voter database of the entire U.S. Households were selected using stratified random sampling to support over-sampling of households with African Americans, Latino/as, and Asian Americans ages 18-34. NORC contacted sampled households by U.S. mail and by telephone, inviting them to register and participate in public opinion surveys twice a month. Panelists on both the BYP and AmeriSpeak panels are invited to register for the panel via the web or by telephone to participate in public opinion surveys.

    Of the 1,816 completed interviews in the GenForward June survey, 94 percent were completed by web and 6 percent by telephone. The survey completion rate is 27 percent. The weighted household panel recruitment rate is 22.1 percent and the weighted household panel retention rate is 89.5 percent, for a cumulative AAPOR Response Rate 3 of 5.3 percent. The overall margin of sampling error is +/- 3.8 percentage points at the 95 percent confidence level, including the design effect. Among subgroups, the margin of sampling error at the 95 percent confidence level is +/- 5.46 percentage points for African Americans, +/- 8.81 percentage points for Asian Americans, +/- 6.96 percentage points for Latino/as

    Latinos/as? What kind of crazy bigotry is this?

    I hope someone got fired for that blunder.

    , and +/- 5.84 percentage points for whites.

    To encourage cooperation, respondents were offered incentives for completing the survey that ranged from the cash-equivalent of $3 to the cash-equivalent of $10.

    The interviews from the two probability-based sample sources were combined for statistical weighting and analysis. […]

  68. Lurker says:
    @TTSSYF

    Hitler seems to have fatally damaged any possibility of white, gentile self-preservation, at least, for many decades, if not centuries. Nobody wants to be thought of as “literally Hitler”.

    And is Hitler the problem or the people holding the megaphone and screaming about Hitler for the last 80+ years?

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    , @Svigor
  69. Anonym says:
    @Corn

    Freeper. Heh. Does anyone under the age of 45 post on Free Republic?

    I saw the fine print of the graph after I posted unfortunately. But aside from JIDF trainees on herd monitoring duty, probably no one.

  70. Hail says: • Website
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Is there a word for a form of intellectual purity spiralling whereby people peg the decline earlier and ealier?

    Mr. A: “[1945 blah blah]”
    Mr. B: “Oh, you’re one of those 1945ers? We’re 1914ers around here.”
    Mr. C (overhearing): “Oh yeah? 1914ers, you say? How quaint. I’m an 1865er.”
    Mr. D (stepping in): “[1968 blah blah]”
    Mrs. A, B, C (in unison): “Amateur!”

  71. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous

    You don’t need to inculcate pro-outgroup bias as much as demonize in-group bias.

    In the media we know you can’t attach negative attributes to non-whites but you can attach those negatives to whites. So we end up with an all-pervasive anti-white agenda. And who wants to be associated with all that negativity? The Agenda!

    • Agree: Svigor
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  72. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    You don’t need to inculcate pro-outgroup bias as much as demonize in-group bias.

    How in concrete terms does one demonized in-group bias?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  73. densa says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Possibly, if his Dad had talked over some of this anti-white-male BS with him, whether it’s telling him to be careful in everything he says (shame it has to come to that) or how to handle any trouble that comes from what he says, it may have given the boy more strength.

    The White version of ‘the talk’ black parents are supposed to have with their children.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  74. @Hail

    Really, it’s all been downhill since 1453.

    • LOL: Hail
    • Replies: @silviosilver
  75. @densa

    Yes, it would be. It’d be different from John Derbyshire’s “the talk” on how to avoid getting in physical trouble with black guys. It’d be more about how to avoid getting in trouble with “the man” who is on the side that is completely against any white males. Thanks for reading, BTW.

  76. ATBOTL says:
    @Houston Texican

    I can assure you this is just people protecting themselves. I know young conservatives in real life, they are all red pilled on demographics.

    • Agree: Hail
  77. I’m assuming the original survey was nation wide. It’s been noted in the past the closer proximity one lives to Blacks the more realistic one’s opinions become. As for example the lily White state of Vermont is very pro diversity, likely because they have none. As opposed to Whites living in suburbs of Birmingham, Alabama.

  78. @Hail

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  79. @AndrewR

    Hey great idea man. We’ll just use our control of the mass media and presto!

  80. @Anonymous

    How in concrete terms does one demonized in-group bias?

    Call it “racist” maybe?

    If that’s too difficult for you to understand, then let me try to put it another way:

    Concretely call it “racist” maybe?

  81. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Oh please, it was well and truly all over by 1453.

    1187 was the crucial year.

  82. Svigor says:
    @Hail

    A dog with a [dog breed x here] parent and a mostly [dog breed x here] parent isn’t a [dog breed x here]. It’s a mutt, a mongrel; it is of no breed.

    In reference to humans, suddenly this becomes too complicated because reasons.

  83. Svigor says:
    @Lurker

    They really love stroking that Hitler meat. The Soviets/commies killed way more civilians than the Nazis/fascists did, and they were “anti-racist,” anti-“anti-semitic,” egalitarian, internationalist, anti-nationalist, and leftist.

    All of which are Mandates from Heaven today.

    So much for guilt by association.

  84. @Anonymous

    I would guess that “pro-outgroup” bias doesn’t truly exist. White liberals want to vote for Obama, but they don’t want to marry his daughters. “Pro-outgroup” bias is really measuring “anti-in-group” bias, which is why it shows up in whites–Derbyshites Goodwhites/Badwhites conflict.

    • Agree: TheBoom
  85. @Hail

    I remember someone saying here not too long ago, I don’t know if half in jest, that it’s all been downhill since Runnymeade. Wow.

    I had to look Runnymeade up and remind myself that it’s the most likely location where the Magna Carta was signed in 1215 by King John granting his subjects some nominal rights and his nobles a right of reply in the governance of the realm. As Wikipedia says, Runnymeade is associated with “ideals of democracy, limitation of power, equality and freedom under law”.

    I’m starting to think though more about the Reformation, beginning in the 1520s, as being of ultimate consequence in getting us here, making possible as it did the Enlightenment and thus most else. There’s a fantastic book I was reading a couple years ago and need to pick up again – maybe brought to my attention by Steve or someone here – called “The Unintended Reformation”.

    The author argues that the Reformation, by making the individual conscience the supreme moral arbiter, made it increasingly difficult (in Protestant societies) to argue against and eventually impossible to stop the multiplicity of competing religious worldviews and moral claims that arose (including, in time, agnosticism and atheism), and how the very fact of this multiplicity impressed upon people the likelihood of none of these claims being true, and in any case the need for all of them to be tolerated to maintain public peace; all of which finally led (helped along mightily by the modern science allowed to flourish to its utmost in Protestant nations) to today’s general state of irreligion and moral relativism, which would have utterly disgusted Luther and all the other intellectuals and rulers of Protestant Europe at the time of the Reformation had they seen it.

  86. anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR

    The prospect that the US is going to be Brazil rather than Somalia is not reassuring.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  87. AndrewR says:
    @anonymous

    Is it though? Brazil has had a very different history than ours.

  88. @JohnnyWalker123

    Your (1) and (2) are the same thing.

  89. TheBoom says:
    @John Derbyshire

    “White people are pussies.”

    Sad but true. I recognize this more living in a non white nation than when I was still in the US. There is no group of people on the planet who will willfully accept the abuse and disrespect that whites pride themselves on accepting.

    White societies are the only societies where status can be gained by being an ethno masochist when you are the group that built the society. Writing that may make me look like an ethno masochist but so be it.

  90. Anon87 says:

    Speaking of minority-majority issues, this also incorporates marketing, so it hits a few Steve interests.

    The Growth Majority – Understanding The New American Mainstream
    December 08, 2018

    The face of America is changing and multicultural consumers are quickly becoming the majority of the expected growth in the U.S. now and in the future.

    In this first report of the New American Mainstream series, we’ll talk numbers by ethnicity and age, and we’ll identify the top markets that hold the highest opportunities for multicultural growth to help you sell smarter and win bigger!

    You can download the report here

  91. baythoven says:
    @John Derbyshire

    The pussiness you deplore contributes in no small part to the beautiful functionality and pleasantness of homogenous all-white societies.

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