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From the Washington Post:

Battle cry of the white man

By Dana Milbank Opinion writer August 5

Amalek the Eternal Enemy

The unfriendly airwaves of talk radio this week gave us an inadvertently revealing moment.

Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama, a Republican immigration hard-liner and part of what the Wall Street Journal just branded “the GOP’s Deportation Caucus,” was giving his retort to the paper’s pro-business editorialists on Laura Ingraham’s radio show Monday: “They need to be patriots, and they need to think about America first,” Brooks said.

America First? How 1940!

Dog-whistle.

The congressman went on to condemn those who say the Republican position on immigration is dooming the party by alienating Latinos.

“This is a part of the war on whites that’s being launched by the Democratic Party,” Brooks said. “And the way in which they’re launching this war is by claiming that whites hate everybody else. It’s a part of the strategy that Barack Obama implemented in 2008, continued in 2012, where he divides us all on race, on sex, greed, envy, class warfare.”

It was the battle cry of the white man, particularly the Southern white man, who is feeling besieged. I don’t share the fear, but I understand it. The United States is experiencing a rapid decoupling of race and nationality: Whiteness has less and less to do with being American.

In other words, there can’t be a Democratic war on whites because, as we’ve all read over and over in the press, whites are losing the war.

In contrast, nobody can deny there is a Republican war on women because we constantly hear about how women are overtaking men, those losers.

How can there be a war on whites when we all know they are deservedly losing it?

The Census Bureau forecasts that non-Hispanic whites, now slightly more than 60 percent of the population, will fall below 50 percent in 2043. Within 30 years, there will cease to be a racial majority in the United States. In a narrow political sense, this is bad news for the GOP, which is dominated by older white men such as Brooks. But for the country, the disassociation of whiteness and American-ness is to be celebrated. Indeed, it is the key to our survival.

This is not merely about a fresh labor supply but about the fresh blood needed to cure what ails us.

Immigration: the cure for whatever ails us! Such as Tired Blood.

To benefit from such a transfusion, we not only need to welcome more immigrants but also to adopt pieces of their culture lacking in our own — just as we have done with other (mostly European) cultures for centuries.

Vibrant Honduran traditions

Milbank then goes on to itemize all the great aspects of Honduran culture that Honduran adolescents are bringing us, such as coups and death squads.

Just kidding.

No, Milbank goes on to explain that Chinese are superior to Tired Blood whites because they have more conservative values: “mutual responsibility, long-term thinking, humility, moral character and contribution to society.” For some reason that Milbank doesn’t get around to explaining, however, the Chinese in China don’t seem to find those values congruent with being flooded with immigrants.

Milbank then goes on to quote praise of a Taiwanese sweatshop and gambling tycoon who is building more places to gamble in Las Vegas:

“He’s an American gambler with a Chinese long view; he is supremely confident yet mainly silent; he has so little of the American need to sell himself, so little extroversion, that he jokes even his friends aren’t sure he likes them.”

Well … swell. A Chinese Michael Corleone … Let’s order up another 10 million where he came from.

Part of Liu’s confidence that the United States will triumph over China is that his ancestral land, in modernizing, is losing some of the best aspects of Chinese culture — and acquiring our own excesses. He notes that, as the Chinese extended family frayed, the government enacted a law requiring adult children to visit their elderly parents — the sort of thing Chinese did voluntarily for millennia.

China responds with edicts because it lacks the source of continuous adaptability and vitality that imported cultures give the United States. Creative change is easier here because we pick and choose from among all the world’s cultures. That inherent advantag e in the American system will continue — if we don’t get hung up about whiteness.

For the Milbanks of the media, the immigration schmaltz they churn out is never really about the Chinese or the Hondurans or whomever.

Those folks are just clubs that happen to be at hand.

It’s really about revenge for great-grandpa not getting into that country club. That’s what matters in the 21st Century.

 
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  1. The unfriendly airwaves of talk radio…

    I find it impossible to read further when I can’t even understand or see the meaning of the first phrase. Or maybe I did see it and for that reason decided not to go on reading. It’s a toss-up.

  2. No Steve, this is not a Jewish/Italian/Irish ethnic thing.

    This is a RELIGION. People need to believe in something. They can’t operate without a religion. Christianity was abandoned because it was old-fashioned and had limits on (particularly) female sexual freedom and expression. So, a Post-Christian religion was adopted ORGANICALLY, like fish schooling or birds flocking. It involves WORSHIP of Non-Whites particularly Blacks and Hispanics, and demonization of White guys, who are described as:

    *Angry.
    *Old.
    *Tired.

    In other words, unsexy. Like nearly all religions in the West, this is one is of course dominated by women and though they don’t run it (any more than they ran Christianity) they make up the vast majority of believers, lay people, and evangelists. Women in particular need things to believe, they have much higher religiosity, and higher sense of dutifulness.

    What went wrong in American society was the condom, the pill, rising female incomes, independence, and the welfare state making White beta male provision basically worthless. In the meantime, extra security allowed women to pursue hypergamy, the need and desire for male sexiness above all things. Since Western society was built on the nuclear family and women trading off, freely and without (much) coercion the desire for transient sexiness in favor of nuclear family stability, this was a disaster.

    Basically Milbank is echoing nearly every comment I’ve read in the Financial Times, Wall Street Journal, NYT, LAT, and every other boho media outlet: that White guys are tired, obsolete, and icky and the fabulous new era of magical Black guys like Morgan Freeman inventing the future will be just like the movies! Only better!

    This is a religious belief. It is not logical, because IT MUST BE TAKEN ON FAITH.

    Religious Doctrine is never logical. It is an article of faith. You might as well argue with Scientologists that Xenu is not real, or Mormons that Joseph Smith really did not have conversations with Angels.

    You argue with Faith by FORCE. Mocking the religious pretensions, shoving the faithful out of the public square (hence Liberals HATE HATE HATE of Traditional Christianity and its symbols showing up in Easter and Christmas — as newer religious traditions such as the Magical Black redeemer seek to erase the old). Liberals shoved Christianity out of the public square, it is time to shove THEM out of the public square. Mocking their idiot worship of movie characters who don’t exist, or their devotion to Barack Obama, and so on.

    This is not a battle of logic. Nor is it revenge for grandpa not getting into the country club — Liberals could CARE LESS ABOUT THEIR OWN PARENTS much less their grandparents. This is a religious struggle (dominated by the way by women who make up the bulk of believers) and can only be won by mocking the believers as losers, low status, easily conned, gullible, the equivalent to Jimmy Swaggart’s believers who ponied up money to con men.

    The key is pointing out that their True Beliefs when put into practice fail, and the demonized White guys create all the modern technology. [Widespread fraud and lack of rewards among higher IQ NE Asians lead them to be mere copiers for the most part of technology and unwilling to exploit those breakthroughs they do originate.]

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Who said anything about the Irish or the Italians? This is a Jewish guy who wants to stick it to the goyim. The funny thing is that the Jewish guys who preach for greater diversity in the United States are often the same ones who say that Israel must remain a Jewish state by any means necessary.
  3. America First? How 1940!

    Sending illegals back to Latin America = sending the Jews back to certain death in Nazi Germany.

    Diane Feinstein already made that point.

    Meanwhile the real demographic war is against American born blacks. Not that I care but then again neither do our Jewish liberal Democrat moral overlords.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    "Sending illegals back to Latin America = sending the Jews back to certain death in Nazi Germany."

    According to a report that was issued in 2003-- fifty-eight years after the end of World War II-- there were an estimated 1,092,000 "Shoah survivors" still alive, then, living throughout the world:

    ***

    "For analytic and practical purposes, the definition of who is eligible to the title of Shoah
    survivor is open to widely differing interpretations. In this report we adopt an Intermediate
    Extensive concept. It includes all those Jewish persons who are alive today and who at least
    for a brief period of time were submitted in their locations to a regime of duress and/or
    limitation of their full civil rights in relation to their Jewish background—whether by a Nazi
    foreign occupying power or by a local authority associated with the Nazis' endeavor—or had
    to flee elsewhere in order to avoid falling under the aforementioned situations. Such
    definition incorporates all Jews who actually suffered physical or other kinds of persecution,
    those who escaped from areas in which they were the designated target for persecution, and
    those who suffered any kind of other—even temporary or potential—limitation of personal
    freedom."

    [http://www.icheic.org/pdf/ICHEIC_demography1.pdf]

    ***

    "‘If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one,’ my mother used to exclaim, ‘who did Hitler kill then?’"

    --Dr. Norman Finkelstein, "The Holocaust Industry" (2000), p. 81
  4. “But for the country, the disassociation of whiteness and American-ness is to be celebrated. Indeed, it is the key to our survival.”

    How is becoming a Nonwhite country the key to America’s survival ? Has this lib tard looked at the human development index of the vast majority of Nonwhite countries in the world ? It’s not pretty.

    In a lot of Nonwhite countries, the majority of the population do not even have in door plumbing.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    Don't try to parse meaning from chinese boxes, its all just squiggles.
  5. When white women destroy white males, they will fall together.

    It’s like if you break your one leg, your other leg will fall too.

  6. “Sending illegals back to Latin America = sending the Jews back to certain death in Nazi Germany.”

    How can Latin America be like Nazi Germany when most people in Latin America are not even White. I thought only Whites were capable of being Nazis. But apparently Non Conquistador Hispanics of African and Amerindian ancestry can be Nazis as well. An example of this is George Zimmerman who has been often compared to a Nazi even though he is Triracial.

  7. “Milbank then goes on to itemize all the great aspects of Honduran culture that Honduran adolescents are bringing us.”

    Honduran youths can teach more American youths on how to be cold assassins, since Honduras has one of the highest per capita murder rate in the world. Damn those “White Hispanics” in Honduras committing so much senseless barbaric violence.

  8. @ Rifleman
    by 2100 there will be already more than 5 billion blacks in Africa, ready to fresh up African American numbers. Really no need to worry about them. Globally blacks are much more fertile than middle-american mestizos

  9. I’m assuming Milbank’s Jewish. Even as a (partial) Jew, I get fooled sometimes by Jewish crypsis. When I see a name like Dana Milbank I picture a guy who looks like, well, Dana Carvey.

  10. The Chinese Corleone was pulling a fast one on Milbank but he’s too dumb to realize it. The Chinese of Elmhurst NYC are no more interested in being exposed to vibrant diversity than Southern Whites.

  11. “For the Milbanks of the media, the immigration schmaltz they churn out is never really about the Chinese or the Hondurans or whomever. Those folks are just clubs that happen to be at hand. It’s really about finally getting revenge for great-grandpa not getting into that country club. That’s what really matters in the 21st Century.”

    I wrote this before and I write it again. What is happening here seems to me to be a cultural and economic civil war between paleo-con whites and SWPL. And the latter seems to be winning on most fronts today, having successfully ejected the former from most formal national institutions of power and prestige. To cement their victory, they have successfully settled a large number of Hispanic (and increasingly Asian) foederati on American soil, using them as “clubs,” as Mr. Sailer puts it, against paleo-con whites, a trend that President Obama will exacerbate if the rumors about unilateral immigration “reform” during the congressional recess are to be believed.

    However, I disagree with Mr. Sailer on one point. Many SWPLs today descend from the country club great-grandpa set. Our upper crust today is a highly admixed lot of the Mayflower and Ellis Island, rather like many European aristocratic families.

    • Replies: @josh
    Milbank is a Bonesman. He probably has some Mayflower in him.
  12. The Census Bureau forecasts that non-Hispanic whites, now slightly more than 60 percent of the population, will fall below 50 percent in 2043.

    A mention of 2043 reminded me that there’s an East Indian-American hipster comedian called Hari Kondabolu who has a show called “Waiting For 2043″. His biting critique of White America has cost him though. He’s only been able to find underground outlets to drop his truth bombs: Conan, Letterman, Jimmy Kimmel, the Aspen Idea Festival, The Economist, the “PBS News Hour” and NPR. The White establishment who runs America has frozen him out but his truth will not be silenced!

  13. To benefit from such a transfusion, we not only need to welcome more immigrants but also to adopt pieces of their culture lacking in our own — just as we have done with other (mostly European) cultures for centuries.

    Because…Guatemalans are the New Italians.

    America First? How 1940!

    Several Democrat politicians have already played that card. Except it’s pretty hard to find evidence of gas chambers and death camps and genocidal pogroms going on in Central America today. Still, no business like Shoah business.

  14. And of course Dana Milbank is just another self-hating white who rejected traditional Christianity.

  15. The Mexicans and Central American immigrants are a principally Amerindian people returning to the previously Amerindian territory of North America. True they may inconvenience the population already living there, but those are just an assortment of different peoples, many of them recently arrived, who can scarcely claim to be a historic people at all. Anyway they are notoriously politically corrupt, and some of them have dark skin. Away with them!

  16. Jews sure do love their “magic blood” tropes. I remember two of the last summer movies I saw had magic blood as a main plot element both of which had screenplays written by jews. The first was “Star Trek Into Darkness” released last year where the inexplicably white Khan had magic blood that could apparently bring back people from the dead. His blood is used to revive Kirk from a bad bought of radiation sickness. The second was Spiderman from this year where the unambiguously jewish Peter Parker apparently had magical blood that could cure his soon-to-be nemesis from dying of some disease. Parker true to form refuses to let him have any of his precious magical blood for some reason or other. I also recall Prometheus which was cowritten by Damon Lindleof had a lot of “poisoning the blood” elements to it.

    I never thought much of it until just now where it seems that the excuse for wiping out whites is that they have “tired blood.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Right, current superhero movies and other summer blockbusters are obsessed with questions of heredity and eugenics. There is a lot of stuff you aren't supposed to talk about on the op-ed pages that people find fascinating, so it shows up in the movie theaters.
  17. It’s really about finally getting revenge for great-grandpa not getting into that country club. That’s what really matters in the 21st Century.

    I tend to doubt that’s Dana Milbank‘s problem. I’d wager (recalling Tom Wolfe’s description of this history and character of reporters, and Karl Zinsmeister’s as well) that what really matters is getting back at the guys who were stuffing you into lockers back in 1982 (and are now mid-level corporation executives and military officers).

  18. Not that I care but then again neither do our Jewish liberal Democrat moral overlords.

    Milbank’s an English name, the chump grew up on Long Island, went to Yale, and was even tapped for one of their lousy secret societies. The man’s a supercilious piece of work, but its hardly fair to stick the Jews with the bill for that.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2007/11/jewgenics.html
    , @Steve Sailer
    http://www.jpost.com/Features/In-Thespotlight/Beck-and-the-Jews-Does-he-get-them-Do-they-get-him
    , @Joe Walker
    Jews often take gentile names. Also, the fact that he grew up on Long Island makes it much more likely that he is Jewish rather than a WASP. And you may be surprised to hear this but there are Jewish students at Yale.
  19. Anyone who writes about how contemporary China is characterized by “mutual responsibility, long-term thinking, humility, moral character and contribution to society” is delusional.

    Anything more than a cursory visit to mainland China reveals a society with rampant short term speculation (such as urban property flipping on a scale beyond the worst of our real-estate bubble), an endless array of financial and other business scams, many business models driven by short sighted profit seeking, endemic fraud and tax evasion and corruption of all sorts, and the near total lack of civic society (as the Communist Party wants no potential threats to its hegemonic position in society).

    (Taiwan is rather better, and arguably those virtues were more in place in the old society before the various upheavals of Communism, but America is not getting large scale immigration from either Taiwan or the Ming Dynasty)

    Americans don’t generally see how modern China actually runs, as the Chinese who have come to America over the last 30 years have generally been drawn from a narrow subset of Chinese society who are less immersed in the cutthroat world of modern Chinese business (ie by selecting migrants through technical visas, university students in the sciences, etc)

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Something I pointed out to Noah Smith on Twitter once (and probably in these comments at some point):

    Ethnic Chinese have created non-corrupt, 1st world societies on a small scale (Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan), but as population goes up, so does their corruption. They haven't been able to scale a prosperous, modern country beyond the size of Taiwan so far. China is still a mess.

  20. Reminds me of a quote by Ben Wattenberg: “The non-Europeanization of America is heartening news of an almost transcendental quality.”

    Whatever it is, this is the opposite of a war on the Jews, at least in Milbank’s and Wattenberg’s minds. In fact it is a war on European gentiles. It’s racism pure and simple. The guy should be let go from the Post.

    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    [til Unz ups the edit time limit I'll just repeat myself with edits]

    Reminds me of a quote by Ben Wattenberg: “The non-Europeanization of America is heartening news of an almost transcendental quality.”

    Whatever it is, this is the opposite of a war on the Jews, at least in Milbank’s and Wattenberg’s minds. In fact it is a war on Euro-American gentiles (= whites minus Jews). It’s racism pure and simple, motivated by revenge. The guy should be let go from the Post, not least because he is shitting the least anti-Semitic group in the history of the Western world (though I guess he doesn't know that). What kind of support does he think Israel will get once Latinos, Asians, and African American are in a majority?
  21. @Art Deco
    Not that I care but then again neither do our Jewish liberal Democrat moral overlords.
    --
    Milbank's an English name, the chump grew up on Long Island, went to Yale, and was even tapped for one of their lousy secret societies. The man's a supercilious piece of work, but its hardly fair to stick the Jews with the bill for that.
    • Replies: @syonredux
    "Entine laid out the data. The average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is 107 to 115, well above the human average of 100."

    If only the "human average" were 100.....
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Something in that Slate article stood out, and here it is:

    "The average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is 107 to 115, well above the HUMAN average of 100. "

    Uh.....hm......where to start, where to begin?

    ALL humans....lumped togethe average 100IQ? Really? Seriously?

    Or is it one particular group (race) that has a spot on accurate 100IQ average.

    Sounds as though he kinda was busy and glossed over Lynn and Rushton's findings that tended to break down the various groups IQs.

  22. “Because…Guatemalans are the New Italians.”

    If Italians were 5 foot 2 Amerindians.

  23. The man’s a supercilious piece of work, but its hardly fair to stick the Jews with the bill for that.

    According to the Jerusalem Post, Milbank is Jewish.

    Dana Milbank, a Jewish columnist for The Washington Post, posted on Twitter…

  24. @Art Deco
    Not that I care but then again neither do our Jewish liberal Democrat moral overlords.
    --
    Milbank's an English name, the chump grew up on Long Island, went to Yale, and was even tapped for one of their lousy secret societies. The man's a supercilious piece of work, but its hardly fair to stick the Jews with the bill for that.
  25. • Replies: @Art Deco
    Yeah, his mother's maiden name was Schulman. She went to college in Vermont and worked as a schoolteacher all her adult life. So you fancy his father had no influence worth mentioning on his view of politics and religion?
  26. The Mexicans and Central American immigrants are a principally Amerindian people returning to the previously Amerindian territory of North America. True they may inconvenience the population already living there, but those are just an assortment of different peoples, many of them recently arrived, who can scarcely claim to be a historic people at all. Anyway they are notoriously politically corrupt, and some of them have dark skin. Away with them!

    That is wrong on many levels. First, and obvious is the fact that North American Indians indigenous to the lower 48 states are already here and in many cases have their own reservations. Mexican and Central American Indians never extended as far north as the lower 48 states.

    Second, the Europeans who came to the North American continent did not come here to partake or join in any society or civilization that the Indians had created. They hacked out their own civilization from the wilderness and built the social, political and economic institutions we have today. Mexican and Central Americans, even if they did originally live on our land which they did not, are not coming here to make their own social, political and economic institutions. They are coming here because of what the white Europeans created. In other words, if whites had never developed this nation, these people would not be coming. Whites came to an empty continent with abundant natural resources. Mexicans and Central Americans are coming to a civilization built by whites.

    I submit that a white, especially one who can trace his ancestors back to the Founding, is more of a ‘Native American’ than an Amerindian. Amerindians might be native as far as the geographic sense of the term, but the whites are natives in the sense of the political, because the United States is more than geography. It is a European-derived political and cultural presence as well. And in that case the white Europeans are most definitely ‘Natives’.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    "That is wrong on many levels": it was an IQ test. You didn't do well.
    , @Hubbub
    For the most part, I agree with you. Immigrants did not make this country; this country made immigrants into successful 'natives.' The original colonies were set up as extensions of British or European economic or religious endeavors. The founding fathers made a country that was welcoming to peoples of like nature and for their posterity. Immigrants came here for a better life because a better life was possible with hard work and foresight. Emma Lazarus' trite declaration on the base of the Statue of Liberty was but a reflection of the progressive spirit of her time, not the time of the founding of the Republic.

    To Milbank, it makes no difference who settled the country nor what cultures, peoples or organizations populate the geographic area of a nation. He thinks, as only an imbecilic knave can, that a nation is a geographic location - never mind the ingredients that make it up; they're are all interchangeable. Fill the space with any people, culture, or political and social structures and you'll still get the unique United States of American (c 1960). This is the Progressive mindset. It is callous and it is destructive.
    , @Lurker
    Dearime was being ironic.
  27. @Dizzy D
    Jews sure do love their "magic blood" tropes. I remember two of the last summer movies I saw had magic blood as a main plot element both of which had screenplays written by jews. The first was "Star Trek Into Darkness" released last year where the inexplicably white Khan had magic blood that could apparently bring back people from the dead. His blood is used to revive Kirk from a bad bought of radiation sickness. The second was Spiderman from this year where the unambiguously jewish Peter Parker apparently had magical blood that could cure his soon-to-be nemesis from dying of some disease. Parker true to form refuses to let him have any of his precious magical blood for some reason or other. I also recall Prometheus which was cowritten by Damon Lindleof had a lot of "poisoning the blood" elements to it.

    I never thought much of it until just now where it seems that the excuse for wiping out whites is that they have "tired blood."

    Right, current superhero movies and other summer blockbusters are obsessed with questions of heredity and eugenics. There is a lot of stuff you aren’t supposed to talk about on the op-ed pages that people find fascinating, so it shows up in the movie theaters.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "Right, current superhero movies and other summer blockbusters are obsessed with questions of heredity and eugenics. There is a lot of stuff you aren’t supposed to talk about on the op-ed pages that people find fascinating, so it shows up in the movie theaters."

    Cf liberal George Lucas' ode to the power of heredity and magic blood, THE STAR WARS SAGA....
  28. @Luke Lea
    Reminds me of a quote by Ben Wattenberg: “The non-Europeanization of America is heartening news of an almost transcendental quality."

    Whatever it is, this is the opposite of a war on the Jews, at least in Milbank's and Wattenberg's minds. In fact it is a war on European gentiles. It's racism pure and simple. The guy should be let go from the Post.

    [til Unz ups the edit time limit I'll just repeat myself with edits]

    Reminds me of a quote by Ben Wattenberg: “The non-Europeanization of America is heartening news of an almost transcendental quality.”

    Whatever it is, this is the opposite of a war on the Jews, at least in Milbank’s and Wattenberg’s minds. In fact it is a war on Euro-American gentiles (= whites minus Jews). It’s racism pure and simple, motivated by revenge. The guy should be let go from the Post, not least because he is shitting the least anti-Semitic group in the history of the Western world (though I guess he doesn’t know that). What kind of support does he think Israel will get once Latinos, Asians, and African American are in a majority?

  29. @iSteveFan
    The Mexicans and Central American immigrants are a principally Amerindian people returning to the previously Amerindian territory of North America. True they may inconvenience the population already living there, but those are just an assortment of different peoples, many of them recently arrived, who can scarcely claim to be a historic people at all. Anyway they are notoriously politically corrupt, and some of them have dark skin. Away with them!

    That is wrong on many levels. First, and obvious is the fact that North American Indians indigenous to the lower 48 states are already here and in many cases have their own reservations. Mexican and Central American Indians never extended as far north as the lower 48 states.

    Second, the Europeans who came to the North American continent did not come here to partake or join in any society or civilization that the Indians had created. They hacked out their own civilization from the wilderness and built the social, political and economic institutions we have today. Mexican and Central Americans, even if they did originally live on our land which they did not, are not coming here to make their own social, political and economic institutions. They are coming here because of what the white Europeans created. In other words, if whites had never developed this nation, these people would not be coming. Whites came to an empty continent with abundant natural resources. Mexicans and Central Americans are coming to a civilization built by whites.

    I submit that a white, especially one who can trace his ancestors back to the Founding, is more of a 'Native American' than an Amerindian. Amerindians might be native as far as the geographic sense of the term, but the whites are natives in the sense of the political, because the United States is more than geography. It is a European-derived political and cultural presence as well. And in that case the white Europeans are most definitely 'Natives'.

    “That is wrong on many levels”: it was an IQ test. You didn’t do well.

  30. This kind of willful ignorance in the service of a barely concealed ethnic agenda never fails to shock me. You should see how, in the latest New Yorker, Malcolm Gladwell decides we shouldn’t be so hard on black criminality. After all, his argument goes, italian mobsters used to murder people, and that wasn’t so bad, was it?

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/11/crooked-ladder.

  31. “Creative change is easier here because we pick and choose from among all the world’s cultures. ”

    Wait, does this mean that we actually get to, you know, pick and chose who gets to live here, based on what they have to contribute to American society?

    Great! I’m all for a well-informed discussion about what Latin American Amerinds and Mestizos have to contribute….

  32. Milbank goes on to explain that Chinese are superior to Tired Blood whites because they have more conservative values: “mutual responsibility, long-term thinking, humility, moral character and contribution to society.”

    For example, here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8830790/Chinese-toddler-run-over-twice-after-being-left-on-street.html

    Or here: https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=corruption+site:http://factsanddetails.com/china/&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest&gws_rd=ssl

    Sheesh! The guy is an ignoramus.

  33. Amalek! Beautiful reference.

    That gem aside, it’s becoming increasingly difficult for me to avoid boiling with anger, head asploding, etc, at the shenanigans of the Left — or, I guess, what passes for the Left, meaning, the Center. It’s getting visceral.

  34. @Steve Sailer
    Right, current superhero movies and other summer blockbusters are obsessed with questions of heredity and eugenics. There is a lot of stuff you aren't supposed to talk about on the op-ed pages that people find fascinating, so it shows up in the movie theaters.

    “Right, current superhero movies and other summer blockbusters are obsessed with questions of heredity and eugenics. There is a lot of stuff you aren’t supposed to talk about on the op-ed pages that people find fascinating, so it shows up in the movie theaters.”

    Cf liberal George Lucas’ ode to the power of heredity and magic blood, THE STAR WARS SAGA….

  35. The Chinese don’t want to be flooded with mass non-Chinese immigration combined with forced assimilation? … Glad White countries don’t have to deal with anything like that.

    • Replies: @dixie
    http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/a-path-out-of-purgatory

    '(When Jimmy Carter admonished Deng Xiaoping in 1979 for not allowing more of his people to emigrate legally, Deng is said to have replied, “Why certainly, President Carter. How many millions would you like?”) '
  36. “Donna Lynn DePasquale, a daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Anthony J. DePasquale of North Haven, Conn., was married yesterday to Dana Timothy Milbank, a son of Ann C. Milbank of Merrick, L.I., and Mark A. Milbank of Greenwich, Conn. The Rev. David Baranowski, a Roman Catholic priest, and Rabbi Steven Mason performed the ceremony at the Battell Chapel in New Haven.

    Mrs. Milbank and her husband, both 25, graduated cum laude from Yale University. She was until recently a marketing manager with Citibank in New York and is to become a product manager with the bank’s London office later this month. Her father is a model maker at O. F. Mossberg & Sons, a gun manufacturer in North Haven.

    Mr. Milbank, 25, is a staff reporter with The Wall Street Journal, in London. His mother, Ann Milbank, teaches reading at the California Avenue School in Uniondale, L.I. His father designs and builds custom furniture in Stamford, Conn.”

  37. They are just waiting you out. Afraid Ana Kasparian has it right. Old men don’t matter. Don’t any you take ownership of the American culture YOU created in your youths?

  38. One imagines that Donna Lynn DePasquale and Dana Timothy Milbank have long, intimate conversations about how their ancestors suffered under the fiendish WASP hegemony…..

  39. We should approach the news not so much as what-is-happening but what-the-elites-want-us-to-know.
    It’s less about the world than about the elites. News is the biases of the elites.
    All news outlets should be called The Bias.

    New York Bias.

  40. America First? How 1940!

    Milbank is so anti core-American that he can’t even get his example straight. America First, circa 1940 was not about immigration, it was about keeping the US out of WW2. He is conflating this movement with the 1924 Immigration Act in which immigration was restricted to preserve existing ethnic proportions of the population. I’m assuming since his essay was about immigration, and not say war in Ukraine, that he meant to refer to the old immigration restrictionists of 1924.

    I guess from his point of view, he detests them both, and just assumes they were the same thing.

  41. @Steve Sailer
    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/17/style/weddings-d-l-depasquale-dana-t-milbank.html

    Yeah, his mother’s maiden name was Schulman. She went to college in Vermont and worked as a schoolteacher all her adult life. So you fancy his father had no influence worth mentioning on his view of politics and religion?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "Yeah, his mother’s maiden name was Schulman. She went to college in Vermont and worked as a schoolteacher all her adult life. So you fancy his father had no influence worth mentioning on his view of politics and religion?"

    Well, based on this article, it would seem that Milbank has little regard for people with Jewish mothers who do not view themselves as Jews....


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091801014.html
  42. @Steve Sailer
    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2007/11/jewgenics.html

    “Entine laid out the data. The average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is 107 to 115, well above the human average of 100.”

    If only the “human average” were 100…..

  43. I’ve always found Milbank to be an annoying doofus. Sort of like a younger Mort Kondracke.

  44. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    One thing for sure, Gazans have more courage and fresher blood than stupid white Americans.

    Only 6% of Americans–probably even lower among just white Americans–blame Israel for the recent horror in Gaza. What a bunch of dummies. Jews are doing to whites what Zionists did to Palestinians, and yet, white Americans cheer the Zionist slaughter of Gazans.

    White Americans, you deserve to lose if you’re that stupid.

  45. @iSteveFan
    The Mexicans and Central American immigrants are a principally Amerindian people returning to the previously Amerindian territory of North America. True they may inconvenience the population already living there, but those are just an assortment of different peoples, many of them recently arrived, who can scarcely claim to be a historic people at all. Anyway they are notoriously politically corrupt, and some of them have dark skin. Away with them!

    That is wrong on many levels. First, and obvious is the fact that North American Indians indigenous to the lower 48 states are already here and in many cases have their own reservations. Mexican and Central American Indians never extended as far north as the lower 48 states.

    Second, the Europeans who came to the North American continent did not come here to partake or join in any society or civilization that the Indians had created. They hacked out their own civilization from the wilderness and built the social, political and economic institutions we have today. Mexican and Central Americans, even if they did originally live on our land which they did not, are not coming here to make their own social, political and economic institutions. They are coming here because of what the white Europeans created. In other words, if whites had never developed this nation, these people would not be coming. Whites came to an empty continent with abundant natural resources. Mexicans and Central Americans are coming to a civilization built by whites.

    I submit that a white, especially one who can trace his ancestors back to the Founding, is more of a 'Native American' than an Amerindian. Amerindians might be native as far as the geographic sense of the term, but the whites are natives in the sense of the political, because the United States is more than geography. It is a European-derived political and cultural presence as well. And in that case the white Europeans are most definitely 'Natives'.

    For the most part, I agree with you. Immigrants did not make this country; this country made immigrants into successful ‘natives.’ The original colonies were set up as extensions of British or European economic or religious endeavors. The founding fathers made a country that was welcoming to peoples of like nature and for their posterity. Immigrants came here for a better life because a better life was possible with hard work and foresight. Emma Lazarus’ trite declaration on the base of the Statue of Liberty was but a reflection of the progressive spirit of her time, not the time of the founding of the Republic.

    To Milbank, it makes no difference who settled the country nor what cultures, peoples or organizations populate the geographic area of a nation. He thinks, as only an imbecilic knave can, that a nation is a geographic location – never mind the ingredients that make it up; they’re are all interchangeable. Fill the space with any people, culture, or political and social structures and you’ll still get the unique United States of American (c 1960). This is the Progressive mindset. It is callous and it is destructive.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    "For the most part, I agree with you.”: you are agreeing with a poster who has just failed an IQ test.
  46. “This kind of willful ignorance in the service of a barely concealed ethnic agenda never fails to shock me. You should see how, in the latest New Yorker, Malcolm Gladwell decides we shouldn’t be so hard on black criminality. After all, his argument goes, italian mobsters used to murder people, and that wasn’t so bad, was it?

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/11/crooked-ladder.”

    So is he saying that Blacks in the U.S will eventually culturally assimilate into mainstream America like the Italians and no longer be associated with high rates of crime ?

    Blacks have been in the U.S for hundreds of years and it still has not happened yet.

  47. ““Entine laid out the data. The average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is 107 to 115, well above the human average of 100.”

    If only the “human average” were 100…..

    In most countries in the world having an IQ of 100 qualifies you as a genius and not average. If you have an IQ of 100 in El Salvador for example, you are might as be Albert Einstein compared to most of the locals who are Amerindian and Mestizo.

  48. “So is he saying that Blacks in the U.S will eventually culturally assimilate into mainstream America like the Italians and no longer be associated with high rates of crime ?”

    His argument is that they would assimilate and prosper if we would only take a more lax attitude towards their criminal behavior, as he believes we treated the italians (glossing over, among other things, that time 11 of them were lynched in New Orleans in response to the murder of a police officer).

  49. Off-topic, but given our conversations on World War T, this seems interesting:

    “The linguistic frame around the procedure is such that this comparison basically can’t be avoided; the condition Martin claims to be suffering from—or rather to have found a cure for—is called “Racial Dysphoria,” which clearly invokes the recognized condition of gender dysphoria. The book presents the liberal reader, in this sense, with a political double bind, whereby if you accept the idea that a person can be born with the “wrong” gender, then you have to at least entertain the idea that a person might equally be born with the “wrong” race, which deposits you straight into some very murky political waters. ”

    (http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/08/jess_row_s_novel_your_face_in_mine_reviewed.2.html)

  50. “Sending illegals back to Latin America = sending the Jews back to certain death in Nazi Germany.”

    This really bugs me. Since some hundreds of Jews in the 1930s were denied to immigrate to America, the Jews have judged us White Americans to be unworthy to have a country to ourselves.

    But how come they decided WE are the bad guys? Why didn’t the Jews try to get into China? or Haiti? or Mexico?

    • Replies: @Hannah Katz
    Actually my in-laws immigrated to America during the 1930s and never received any welfare. They came legally and my father-in-law's parents were murdered by the Nazis while they waited for a sponsor to come to America. You had to have a sponsor so you would not be a burden on society. They never considered breaking in to America. My father-in-law proceeded to serve in the U.S. Army in World War II, came home, married, and raised a family. Both his kids have master's degrees.

    They have a relative who did flee to China to escape the Nazis, and friends who settled in the Dominican Republic for the same reason. Of course they all later came to America. Wouldn't you?
  51. In America today, for obvious reasons, half-jews seem to more often embrace the jewish side of their identity.

  52. @Art Deco
    Yeah, his mother's maiden name was Schulman. She went to college in Vermont and worked as a schoolteacher all her adult life. So you fancy his father had no influence worth mentioning on his view of politics and religion?

    “Yeah, his mother’s maiden name was Schulman. She went to college in Vermont and worked as a schoolteacher all her adult life. So you fancy his father had no influence worth mentioning on his view of politics and religion?”

    Well, based on this article, it would seem that Milbank has little regard for people with Jewish mothers who do not view themselves as Jews….

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091801014.html

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Well, based on this article, it would seem that Milbank has little regard for people with Jewish mothers who do not view themselves as Jews….

    He's a Democratic operative writing an article about a Republican politician, and what he says still doesn't jive with your gloss.

    Obsessions make you stupid.
  53. And of course Dana Milbank is just another self-hating white who rejected traditional Christianity.

    Like his ancestors who rejected traditional paganism?

  54. “The Mexicans and Central American immigrants are a principally Amerindian people returning to the previously Amerindian territory of North America. ”

    Meh, The Apache who *actually* inhabited the American Southwest when the Europeans got here, have no love lost for the Aztecs, etc., and fought many bloody battles to keep them OUT of what of their territory. They *particularly* didn’t appreciate the Aztecs’ occasional incursions into the southern parts of the Mojave desert to take a few Apache braves captive to use for their human sacrifices.

    By the “you Americans stole it” argument, if anybody oughta get some land, it’s the Cheyenne and the Apache and Hopi, etc., who are now living on reservations in U.S., as full U.S. citizens.
    The funny thing is, all those Reconquista types who fling accusations, nobody trying to guilt White Americans into vacating gives two hoots about THOSE guys.

    But ask the actual Apache descendents, they’ll tell you, hell no, I don’t want mestizos from Mexico taking over.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    "But ask the actual Apache descendants": you too have taken an IQ test and failed to shine.
  55. “The guy should be let go from the Post, not least because he is shitting the least anti-Semitic group in the history of the Western world (though I guess he doesn’t know that). What kind of support does he think Israel will get once Latinos, Asians, and African American are in a majority?”

    I found someone else who agrees with me. That makes two of us!

    Actually, the ‘tired blood’ thing isn’t that crazy–there is something fin de siecle about the whole culture. But given who’s got energetic blood these days, I’ll take tired.

  56. Milbank was, at least according to Wikipedia, a member of Skull and Bones at Yale. That’s about as old-white-man as one can get. If true, maybe Milbank’s agenda is more elitist than ethnic.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "Milbank was, at least according to Wikipedia, a member of Skull and Bones at Yale. That’s about as old-white-man as one can get. If true, maybe Milbank’s agenda is more elitist than ethnic."

    Skull and Bones stopped being a WASP bastion decades ago.The first Jewish Bonesman, Al Hessberg, was tapped back in 1938. Since then, plenty of Jews have been members (Stephen Schwarzman, Robert Kagan, Charles Herbert Levin*, etc).


    * He played the Mohel in THE BRIS episode of SEINFELD.
  57. @JSM
    "Sending illegals back to Latin America = sending the Jews back to certain death in Nazi Germany."

    This really bugs me. Since some hundreds of Jews in the 1930s were denied to immigrate to America, the Jews have judged us White Americans to be unworthy to have a country to ourselves.

    But how come they decided WE are the bad guys? Why didn't the Jews try to get into China? or Haiti? or Mexico?

    Actually my in-laws immigrated to America during the 1930s and never received any welfare. They came legally and my father-in-law’s parents were murdered by the Nazis while they waited for a sponsor to come to America. You had to have a sponsor so you would not be a burden on society. They never considered breaking in to America. My father-in-law proceeded to serve in the U.S. Army in World War II, came home, married, and raised a family. Both his kids have master’s degrees.

    They have a relative who did flee to China to escape the Nazis, and friends who settled in the Dominican Republic for the same reason. Of course they all later came to America. Wouldn’t you?

  58. Somewhat on-topic, here is an article that tries to persuade the reader that Europe’s Muslim population is not the real source of Anti-Semitism in Europe. The source, of course, is Gentile Christians:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/08/04/anti_semitic_incidents_in_germany_and_france_hostility_to_jews_on_the_continent.html

    Here’s the poll that he cites as evidence of Gentile Christian Anti-Semitism:

    http://www.adl.org/press-center/press-releases/anti-semitism-international/adl-survey-in-ten-european-countries-find-anti-semitism.html#.U-QUQeNdWHh

    To get the flavor of what the poll defines as Anti-Semitism, here’s a quote:

    “Other findings for France include: 45 percent of the population responded “probably true” to the statement “Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country; 35 percent agreed that “Jews have too much power in the business world; and 35 percent believe that “Jews still talk too much about what happened to them during the Holocaust.”

  59. That inherent advantage in the American system will continue — if we don’t get hung up about whiteness.

    That’s a relief. I mean, it’s kind of a bummer about the people being dispossessed and replaced and all that, but hey, as long as the “American system” survives, that’s the important part.

    And we can take further comfort in the fact that the American system will never become a stale concept, because we’ll always have clever and articulate people like Milbank to tell us what it means–and what it requires of us–on any particular day.

    Seriously, it seems more and more implausible to imagine a remotely conservative and patriotic government dictating terms to these SWPL leftists atop the commanding heights. I’d settle for a partition of the country, so that all these Milbanks who doth protest to love the Huddled Masses so damn much can live with the consequences of their stated policies. They can have New York, Washington, and Hollywood and direct their passive-aggressive sniping at themselves. Good riddance.

  60. “Amalek the Eternal Enemy”

    Don’t go overboard, he’s married to a shiksa.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    Don’t go overboard, he’s married to a shiksa.
     
    Nobody seems to care about white-hating black men marrying white girls, so let's find another example. Has anybody heard of Wilhelm Marr? Either he was no anti-Semite, or else it must be possible for someone marrying a member of a group and still hate the group as a group. Repeat: as a group. So I can marry a Jew and still hate Jews as a group, like Wilhelm Marr. Or marry a white gentile, and still hate white gentiles as a group. (Interesting to mention that the only child of Marr was also from one of his Jewish wives, a Mischling erster Grad.)

    It's a similar dynamic like the "some of my best friends are Jews, but..." or "I have a lot of X Ethnic Group friends, but..." line. there is also the "the majority of Jews are honest, but..." line. Can people saying these (and assuming they are saying the truth - i.e. that they really have Jewish friends) still be anti-Semites? Why of course. On the personal level you might exempt all of the individual examples you personally know from your hatred, and nevertheless still hate the group as such.

  61. @el supremo
    Anyone who writes about how contemporary China is characterized by "mutual responsibility, long-term thinking, humility, moral character and contribution to society" is delusional.

    Anything more than a cursory visit to mainland China reveals a society with rampant short term speculation (such as urban property flipping on a scale beyond the worst of our real-estate bubble), an endless array of financial and other business scams, many business models driven by short sighted profit seeking, endemic fraud and tax evasion and corruption of all sorts, and the near total lack of civic society (as the Communist Party wants no potential threats to its hegemonic position in society).

    (Taiwan is rather better, and arguably those virtues were more in place in the old society before the various upheavals of Communism, but America is not getting large scale immigration from either Taiwan or the Ming Dynasty)

    Americans don't generally see how modern China actually runs, as the Chinese who have come to America over the last 30 years have generally been drawn from a narrow subset of Chinese society who are less immersed in the cutthroat world of modern Chinese business (ie by selecting migrants through technical visas, university students in the sciences, etc)

    Something I pointed out to Noah Smith on Twitter once (and probably in these comments at some point):

    Ethnic Chinese have created non-corrupt, 1st world societies on a small scale (Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan), but as population goes up, so does their corruption. They haven’t been able to scale a prosperous, modern country beyond the size of Taiwan so far. China is still a mess.

  62. “In America today, for obvious reasons, half-jews seem to more often embrace the jewish side of their identity.”

    I have even met people who are a quarter Jewish and seventy five percent Gentile, who still strongly self identify as Jewish.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    “In America today, for obvious reasons, half-jews seem to more often embrace the jewish side of their identity.”

    'Embrace' is an odd way to put it. See the complaints about J Street: that it's staffed with and reflects the viewpoint of inter-married Jews and their children.
  63. “Somewhat on-topic, here is an article that tries to persuade the reader that Europe’s Muslim population is not the real source of Anti-Semitism in Europe. The source, of course, is Gentile Christians:”

    On television most of the phenotypes I saw in Paris that were burning Israeli flags, looked like Arab Middle Eastern phenotypes and not European phenotypes. Unless the native French people are darker than I thought they would be and France was heavily invaded the Moors hence why many French people can have a Middle Eastern looking phenotypes, but I doubt it is the case. Those Arab phenotypes are most likely recent immigrants and not native French people who have Moor ancestry.

  64. @Twinkie
    "For the Milbanks of the media, the immigration schmaltz they churn out is never really about the Chinese or the Hondurans or whomever. Those folks are just clubs that happen to be at hand. It’s really about finally getting revenge for great-grandpa not getting into that country club. That’s what really matters in the 21st Century."

    I wrote this before and I write it again. What is happening here seems to me to be a cultural and economic civil war between paleo-con whites and SWPL. And the latter seems to be winning on most fronts today, having successfully ejected the former from most formal national institutions of power and prestige. To cement their victory, they have successfully settled a large number of Hispanic (and increasingly Asian) foederati on American soil, using them as "clubs," as Mr. Sailer puts it, against paleo-con whites, a trend that President Obama will exacerbate if the rumors about unilateral immigration "reform" during the congressional recess are to be believed.

    However, I disagree with Mr. Sailer on one point. Many SWPLs today descend from the country club great-grandpa set. Our upper crust today is a highly admixed lot of the Mayflower and Ellis Island, rather like many European aristocratic families.

    Milbank is a Bonesman. He probably has some Mayflower in him.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "Milbank is a Bonesman. He probably has some Mayflower in him."


    Possibly, but Skull and Bones stopped being a WASP bastion decades ago.The first Jewish Bonesman, Al Hessberg, was tapped back in 1938. Since then, plenty of Jews have been members (Stephen Schwarzman, Robert Kagan, Charles Herbert Levin*, etc).

    * He played the Mohel in THE BRIS episode of SEINFELD.
    , @Joe Walker
    Maybe, but he also has Jewish ancestry which is the important issue.
  65. Meanwhile the real demographic war is against American born blacks. Not that I care but then again neither do our Jewish liberal Democrat moral overlords.

    And neither do blacks themselves, apparently. Speak up, black people!

    . . . by 2100 there will be already more than 5 billion blacks in Africa, ready to fresh up African American numbers.

    By straight-line projection, yes; in reality, no way. There will be some giant epidemic or famine. Plus, I don’t believe the outside world will be able to afford to keep feeding Africansand supplying them with medicines much longer.

    His argument is that they would assimilate and prosper if we would only take a more lax attitude towards their criminal behavior

    When I try to extrapolate where our societal insanity will take us, this is one that I can imagine: legalizing crime for blacks. It’s a field they have an affinity for (if not much proficiency in) and it can be called unfair that we deny them employment opportunities in it. Some long-ago commenter even suggested we allow robbery under a government policy of Affirmative Acquisition and rape under the designation of Affirmative Affection.

    Since some hundreds of Jews in the 1930s were denied to immigrate to America, the Jews have judged us White Americans to be unworthy to have a country to ourselves.

    Lawrence Auster proposed a challenge to be addressed to fanatically pro-immigration Jews: if an earlier generation of Americans had been told that the Jews who were immigrating to this country would eventually make it impossible for America to have any sort of sensible immigration policy, would it have allowed them in?

  66. If having a Arab looking phenotype was common among the native ethnic French population, you would be seeing a lot of Cajuns in Louisiana and a lot of French in Quebec, Canada with Arab looking phenotypes but you don’t.

  67. OT: anxiously anticipating the iSteve breakdown of Gladwell’s latest

  68. You do have a bunch of wicked clowns running the place. Here’s some fresh blood. If you are really serious about ‘fresh blood’? Otherwise, why so euro phobic? Are you blind or mad?(they fly planes too)

    http://tindernasuecia.tumblr.com

  69. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “This really bugs me. Since some hundreds of Jews in the 1930s were denied to immigrate to America, the Jews have judged us White Americans to be unworthy to have a country to ourselves.”

    Why pick on America? I mean how many nations opened their doors to Jews?

    And I don’t recall US allowing in millions of Ukrainians in the 30s or millions of Chinese during the 50s(at time of Great Leap Forward).

    By the way, is US taking in all those Gazans who are being bombed night and day? Looks like US is supplying Israel with more bombs to kill more Gazans thanks to Jewish influence. Jews, what humanitarians!

    Japan, btw, did take in some Jewish refugees and had a pro-Jewish policy during the war(despite its alliance with Nazi Germany), but Jews built the nuke anyway and boom!!!!

    Btw, what happened to Palestinians as the result of Jewish immigration?

    [MORE]

    And given the role Jews played in destroying white power, pride, and identity in the US, haven’t they pretty much demonstrated WHY many nations didn’t want to give refuge to Jews?

    I mean suppose US had been 90% Jewish in the 1930s and 1940s but didn’t take in refugees from a nation where Chinese were being persecuted and killed. But suppose the Chinese already living in Jewish-majority America eventually come to take over all the elite institutions and do everything to undermine Jewish pride and power. Wouldn’t Jews who’d opposed Chinese immigration in the 30s and 40s have been validated given the nature of Chinese behavior in America?

    Also, blaming US for not saving Jews during the Holocaust is mostly baloney.
    Why? Most of the dead Jews were in Eastern Territory as the result of Nazis sweeping through the Soviet Union. Even if US had open immigration in the 30s, most of those Jews would have been under Stalin’s rule and not been able to emigrate. Also, many Jews in Hungary and Poland weren’t so eager to leave before Hitler started to get really aggressive in the late 30s since they had very privileged positions there as doctors, lawyers, professors, scientists, and etc. And they didn’t think Hitler would trigger something like WWII until it was too late.

    As USSR didn’t allow emigration, its Jews were stuck there and were at the mercy of the Germans once Hitler decided to invade Russia.

    As for Jews in places like France, they thought they were safe. And indeed, they might have been safe if UK and France didn’t declare war on Germany when Hitler invaded Poland. It was Franco-UK declaration of war on Germany which forced Germany to move westward and take Holland and France, whereby French Jews came under German rule. There was nothing that US could have done about it. (And Germany invaded Norway only because Anglos were threatening to do the same thing.)

    So, Jews need to shut up. Btw, their boy Bill Clinton didn’t lift a finger to stop the genocide in Rwanda. And anti-war Jews in the 1970s were happy to see US withdraw from Indochina and cheered when the communists took over Cambodia. They didn’t lift a finger to end the killing fields.

    And US invasion of Iraq–engineered by Jewish neocons–led to total demise of Christians in Iraq, but I don’t hear any sympathy for those victims from the Jewish community. I don’t hear Jews saying that we owe it to save Iraqi Christians who’ve been raped, robbed, and terrorized as the result of US interference.

  70. Massive and unrestricted (preferably non-white, of course) immigration. There’s no ailment known to humankind that it won’t cure!

    Covered wagon, medicine show
    Take you to a place where the healing flows, oh-ho!
    Weak in spirit, we got the juice
    Won’t save your soul, it’ll shine your shoes, oh!
    Treated king to kangaroo
    Santa Fe to Timbuktu, oh-ho!
    Don’t be fooled by imitation
    This is the stuff that cured a nation
    We took the tube and the high plains, too
    Never stopped long, just passing through
    A drop of the laughter of the maids of France
    Makes a hopeless cripple dance, oh

    It was really vile weather
    When we got tarred and feathered
    You could hear the six-guns sound
    As they chased us out of town
    Whoa-ho!

    In India, we’re all the rave
    Discovered that it’s great as aftershave, oh-ho!
    Dropped in the sea just off Japan
    Swapped twenty bottles for an aqua-Walkman, oh!
    Immunity from ridicule
    Improves your brains if you’re a fool, oh-ho!
    And I read in the Middle East
    Traded some for a hostage release
    Now if you`re bald, it’ll give you hair
    If you’ve got straight trousers, it’ll give you flares
    Feeling up, you’ll get depressed
    Out of style, here’s a brand new dress, oh

    It was really vile weather
    When we got tarred and feathered
    You could hear the six-guns sound
    As they chased us out of town

    The stuff we sell is just the best
    Passing all consumer tests, oh-ho
    Days of heaven, nights of sin
    Voodoo stick and shark’s fin
    When all around you seems like hell
    Just one sip will make you well, oh-ho!
    Multi-purpose in a jar
    If you ain’t ill it’ll fix your car
    In days of yore, for all bad feelings
    Washing socks and stripping ceilings
    Nowadays, it’s used medicinally
    For all known human malady, oh!

    It was really vile weather
    When we got tarred and feathered
    You could hear the six-guns sound
    As they chased us out of town
    Whoa-ho…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I always thought that Mick Jones' 1980s band Big Audio Dynamite was a clever response to the rise of hip-hop and his own aging out of Clash-style rock, but B.A.D. never seemed to catch on.
  71. The America First reference reminded me that I just realized this week that America lost twice as many men in WWI as in Vietnam from a much smaller population. WWI Military deaths: 116,516 (more than half were not in combat, such as Spanish Influenza deaths of young men crowded together) 1920 census 106,021,537 Vietnam Military deaths: 58,209 1970 census 203,302,031 I still think the isolationists were wrong, but given this history their beliefs were understandable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

  72. There’s an observation that Hispanic immigrants quickly went from being too weak to be concerned about to being too strong to dare oppose.

    People like Yglesias and Milbank have decided that whites have gone from being too strong to dare oppose to being too weak to be concerned about. I think they may have jumped the gun on that, but we have yet to see the long-anticipated, never realized, white backlash.

  73. If having a Arab looking phenotype was common among the native ethnic French population, you would be seeing a lot of Cajuns in Louisiana and a lot of French in Quebec, Canada with Arab looking phenotypes but you don’t.

    It depends what you mean by “Arab looking”. Plenty of Frenchies have Mediterranean looks, and that includes the same olive skin as many Arabs.

  74. “But for the country, the disassociation of whiteness and American-ness is to be celebrated. Indeed, it is the key to our survival.”

    This need to destroy ourselves to survive. Sounds like Barbara “Europe will not survive” Lerner.

  75. lol at the casual anti-Semitism. All the open borders elite WASPs also upset about their great-grandfather and the country club?

  76. I take comfort in the fact that the average American, no matter his race, religion or ethnicity, would immediately recognize Milbank’s column as propaganda much like the health claims of breakfast cereal manufacturers.

    What bothers me is that the average American’s opinion matters less and less.

  77. It’s really about finally getting revenge for great-grandpa not getting into that country club. That’s what really matters in the 21st Century.

    I tend to doubt that’s Dana Milbank‘s problem. I’d wager (recalling Tom Wolfe’s description of this history and character of reporters, and Karl Zinsmeister’s as well) that what really matters is getting back at the guys who were stuffing you into lockers back in 1982 (and are now mid-level corporation executives and military officers).

    Sorry, but it’s more about Gramps not getting into country clubs – and the great masses voting for Nixon and Reagan and Bush.

    If school bullying really was the issue, then expect the usual suspects to be great promoters of separate schools for certain people, not to mention homeschooling. They are at best neutral. The one population that most supports homeschooling, is the one that supposedly were “stuffing you into lockers back in 1982.”

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "The one population that most supports homeschooling, is the one that supposedly were “stuffing you into lockers back in 1982.”


    Nah, they tended to be at Oral Roberts faith healing meetings and then watched televangelists Jim Bakker and Benny Hinn. Derbyshire has commented before that these tend to be the ones who disbelieve evolution and think that its all just a satanic plot to ruin their kids.

    Its also very unlikely that Skull and Bones Milbank was ever stuffed into any locker. He went to YALE so he most likely didn't attend PS 104 or a PSHigh School a la The Breakfast Club.

    This piece is sort of what one would expect from the one few days back, saying "Don't bother sending your kids to Harvard, Yale, etc. since everyone knows that Huntsville Alabama state schools are just as good!"

    Yeah, right, suuurrreee they are!

    At least Malcolm Gladwell doesn't write that kind of tripe re: immigration.

    Or not yet anyway.
    , @Art Deco
    Uh huh.

    Ann Schulman Milbank was an elementary schoolteacher who attended in succession two very rank and file colleges ca. 1965 (presumably one for an arts and sciences degree and one for a teaching certificate). I doubt her father was country club material, but who knows. She married a gentile (rather atypical ca. 1966) and both her sons married gentiles. I tend to doubt you'll find here a fantastic example of inter-generational social resentments. By the way, Mark Milbank's occupation suggests either counter-cultural sympathies or trustafarianism.
  78. @Kijkfaas McGee
    Milbank was, at least according to Wikipedia, a member of Skull and Bones at Yale. That's about as old-white-man as one can get. If true, maybe Milbank's agenda is more elitist than ethnic.

    “Milbank was, at least according to Wikipedia, a member of Skull and Bones at Yale. That’s about as old-white-man as one can get. If true, maybe Milbank’s agenda is more elitist than ethnic.”

    Skull and Bones stopped being a WASP bastion decades ago.The first Jewish Bonesman, Al Hessberg, was tapped back in 1938. Since then, plenty of Jews have been members (Stephen Schwarzman, Robert Kagan, Charles Herbert Levin*, etc).

    * He played the Mohel in THE BRIS episode of SEINFELD.

  79. @Steve Sailer
    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2007/11/jewgenics.html

    Something in that Slate article stood out, and here it is:

    “The average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is 107 to 115, well above the HUMAN average of 100. ”

    Uh…..hm……where to start, where to begin?

    ALL humans….lumped togethe average 100IQ? Really? Seriously?

    Or is it one particular group (race) that has a spot on accurate 100IQ average.

    Sounds as though he kinda was busy and glossed over Lynn and Rushton’s findings that tended to break down the various groups IQs.

  80. @josh
    Milbank is a Bonesman. He probably has some Mayflower in him.

    “Milbank is a Bonesman. He probably has some Mayflower in him.”

    Possibly, but Skull and Bones stopped being a WASP bastion decades ago.The first Jewish Bonesman, Al Hessberg, was tapped back in 1938. Since then, plenty of Jews have been members (Stephen Schwarzman, Robert Kagan, Charles Herbert Levin*, etc).

    * He played the Mohel in THE BRIS episode of SEINFELD.

  81. @Dr. Evil
    It’s really about finally getting revenge for great-grandpa not getting into that country club. That’s what really matters in the 21st Century.

    I tend to doubt that’s Dana Milbank‘s problem. I’d wager (recalling Tom Wolfe’s description of this history and character of reporters, and Karl Zinsmeister’s as well) that what really matters is getting back at the guys who were stuffing you into lockers back in 1982 (and are now mid-level corporation executives and military officers).

    Sorry, but it's more about Gramps not getting into country clubs - and the great masses voting for Nixon and Reagan and Bush.

    If school bullying really was the issue, then expect the usual suspects to be great promoters of separate schools for certain people, not to mention homeschooling. They are at best neutral. The one population that most supports homeschooling, is the one that supposedly were "stuffing you into lockers back in 1982."

    “The one population that most supports homeschooling, is the one that supposedly were “stuffing you into lockers back in 1982.”

    Nah, they tended to be at Oral Roberts faith healing meetings and then watched televangelists Jim Bakker and Benny Hinn. Derbyshire has commented before that these tend to be the ones who disbelieve evolution and think that its all just a satanic plot to ruin their kids.

    Its also very unlikely that Skull and Bones Milbank was ever stuffed into any locker. He went to YALE so he most likely didn’t attend PS 104 or a PSHigh School a la The Breakfast Club.

    This piece is sort of what one would expect from the one few days back, saying “Don’t bother sending your kids to Harvard, Yale, etc. since everyone knows that Huntsville Alabama state schools are just as good!”

    Yeah, right, suuurrreee they are!

    At least Malcolm Gladwell doesn’t write that kind of tripe re: immigration.

    Or not yet anyway.

  82. Just caught that line about the key to American survival bit.

    So, if Milbank himself were ever asked:

    “Dude, aren’t you one of those white men that you’re dissing?”

    He’d straight up reply “Oh, no, no. Can’t you tell?”

    “Not really, because you kinda look–”

    “No, no, no! I’m not one of THOSE white people. I’m…something else.”

    Oh. He’s something else.

    Got it.

    He gets a pass.

    Just ask him.

    • Replies: @conatus
    For Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Yeah he is Mike Wallace at around .15 of this clip

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s
  83. @Oswald Spengler
    Massive and unrestricted (preferably non-white, of course) immigration. There's no ailment known to humankind that it won't cure!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD2kWCfTcaU

    Covered wagon, medicine show
    Take you to a place where the healing flows, oh-ho!
    Weak in spirit, we got the juice
    Won't save your soul, it'll shine your shoes, oh!
    Treated king to kangaroo
    Santa Fe to Timbuktu, oh-ho!
    Don't be fooled by imitation
    This is the stuff that cured a nation
    We took the tube and the high plains, too
    Never stopped long, just passing through
    A drop of the laughter of the maids of France
    Makes a hopeless cripple dance, oh

    It was really vile weather
    When we got tarred and feathered
    You could hear the six-guns sound
    As they chased us out of town
    Whoa-ho!

    In India, we're all the rave
    Discovered that it's great as aftershave, oh-ho!
    Dropped in the sea just off Japan
    Swapped twenty bottles for an aqua-Walkman, oh!
    Immunity from ridicule
    Improves your brains if you're a fool, oh-ho!
    And I read in the Middle East
    Traded some for a hostage release
    Now if you`re bald, it'll give you hair
    If you've got straight trousers, it'll give you flares
    Feeling up, you'll get depressed
    Out of style, here's a brand new dress, oh

    It was really vile weather
    When we got tarred and feathered
    You could hear the six-guns sound
    As they chased us out of town

    The stuff we sell is just the best
    Passing all consumer tests, oh-ho
    Days of heaven, nights of sin
    Voodoo stick and shark's fin
    When all around you seems like hell
    Just one sip will make you well, oh-ho!
    Multi-purpose in a jar
    If you ain't ill it'll fix your car
    In days of yore, for all bad feelings
    Washing socks and stripping ceilings
    Nowadays, it's used medicinally
    For all known human malady, oh!

    It was really vile weather
    When we got tarred and feathered
    You could hear the six-guns sound
    As they chased us out of town
    Whoa-ho...

    I always thought that Mick Jones’ 1980s band Big Audio Dynamite was a clever response to the rise of hip-hop and his own aging out of Clash-style rock, but B.A.D. never seemed to catch on.

    • Replies: @Oswald Spengler
    Also, B.A.D. was among the best rock bands to employ sound bite samples, as the above-posted "Medicine Show" demonstrates. I agree that Big Audio Dynamite was an underrated act, particularly in retrospect.
    , @Oswald Spengler
    Also, B.A.D. was among the best rock bands to employ sound bite samples, as the above-posted "Medicine Show" demonstrates. I agree that B.A.D. was an underrated act, particularly in retrospect.
  84. @Steve Sailer
    I always thought that Mick Jones' 1980s band Big Audio Dynamite was a clever response to the rise of hip-hop and his own aging out of Clash-style rock, but B.A.D. never seemed to catch on.

    Also, B.A.D. was among the best rock bands to employ sound bite samples, as the above-posted “Medicine Show” demonstrates. I agree that Big Audio Dynamite was an underrated act, particularly in retrospect.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I would have bought stock in B.A.D. in about 1984: Mick Jones (ex-Clash) was trying to hit the sweet spot between rap and rock. He came up with a bunch of catchy tracks over the next six or eight years, but none ever seemed to catch on.
  85. @Steve Sailer
    I always thought that Mick Jones' 1980s band Big Audio Dynamite was a clever response to the rise of hip-hop and his own aging out of Clash-style rock, but B.A.D. never seemed to catch on.

    Also, B.A.D. was among the best rock bands to employ sound bite samples, as the above-posted “Medicine Show” demonstrates. I agree that B.A.D. was an underrated act, particularly in retrospect.

  86. @Oswald Spengler
    Also, B.A.D. was among the best rock bands to employ sound bite samples, as the above-posted "Medicine Show" demonstrates. I agree that Big Audio Dynamite was an underrated act, particularly in retrospect.

    I would have bought stock in B.A.D. in about 1984: Mick Jones (ex-Clash) was trying to hit the sweet spot between rap and rock. He came up with a bunch of catchy tracks over the next six or eight years, but none ever seemed to catch on.

  87. Jerusalem Post article: “Holocaust controversies cloud immigration debate”

    No, the article isn’t about immigration into Israel, the Jewish racial theocracy established through the forced removal or killing of a million non-Jews over the past several decades.

  88. […] On a post at Steve Sailer’s blog… […]

  89. Ethnic Chinese have created non-corrupt, 1st world societies on a small scale (Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan)

    I don’t know about Taiwan, but in the case of Hong Kong and Singapore they were both heavily influenced by being British colonies. And we know that nations with first world people and British colonial history seem to be very functional.

  90. OT:

    lololol

  91. lol at the casual anti-Semitism

    Lol at the imbecilic charges of “anti-Semitism” which get thrown around whenever a Jewish person is called out for his hatred of gentiles.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    which get thrown around whenever a Jewish person is called out for his hatred of gentiles.

    Hyam Maccoby, Leon Wieseltier, and Robert Wistrich actually do despise large swaths of the gentile population. That's three down and about 5.7 million to go...
  92. @Jason
    The Chinese don't want to be flooded with mass non-Chinese immigration combined with forced assimilation? ... Glad White countries don't have to deal with anything like that.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/a-path-out-of-purgatory

    ‘(When Jimmy Carter admonished Deng Xiaoping in 1979 for not allowing more of his people to emigrate legally, Deng is said to have replied, “Why certainly, President Carter. How many millions would you like?”) ‘

  93. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “For some reason that Milbank doesn’t get around to explaining, however, the Chinese in China don’t seem to find those values congruent with being flooded with immigrants.”

    Over long time, Chinese blood grow so tired and decay. So, what bring it back to life?

    Threat of imperialism, humiliation of defeat not only at hands of West but dwarfs of Japan.
    Chinese get real angry. They angry at foreign devil. They angry at Manchu. They angry with own ruler who no longer have mandate of heaven. They angry with own culture. They angry with themselves. All this anger revive Chinese blood and make them rise up nationalistically.

    If not for invasion by West and Japan, Chinese blood still be feudal and tired. But challenge from foreign devil make Chinese stand up and fight and work to be great power.

    If what chinese did very good, then white people must also recharge blood with anger and racial patriotism that make white blood energetic again.

    Also, Chinese break habit of foreign opiate. Chinese say “fuc* you, Paul Johnson with your apology for British opium trade.”

    Today, white race under influence of drug of ‘white guilt’ injected into vein by globo doctor. It time for white people to break bad habit and regenerate blood with anger and pride. Then Milbank and his ilk’s ass toast long time.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    anon at 5:00a.m.: you made my day. Too funny, too true.
  94. @Dr. Evil
    It’s really about finally getting revenge for great-grandpa not getting into that country club. That’s what really matters in the 21st Century.

    I tend to doubt that’s Dana Milbank‘s problem. I’d wager (recalling Tom Wolfe’s description of this history and character of reporters, and Karl Zinsmeister’s as well) that what really matters is getting back at the guys who were stuffing you into lockers back in 1982 (and are now mid-level corporation executives and military officers).

    Sorry, but it's more about Gramps not getting into country clubs - and the great masses voting for Nixon and Reagan and Bush.

    If school bullying really was the issue, then expect the usual suspects to be great promoters of separate schools for certain people, not to mention homeschooling. They are at best neutral. The one population that most supports homeschooling, is the one that supposedly were "stuffing you into lockers back in 1982."

    Uh huh.

    Ann Schulman Milbank was an elementary schoolteacher who attended in succession two very rank and file colleges ca. 1965 (presumably one for an arts and sciences degree and one for a teaching certificate). I doubt her father was country club material, but who knows. She married a gentile (rather atypical ca. 1966) and both her sons married gentiles. I tend to doubt you’ll find here a fantastic example of inter-generational social resentments. By the way, Mark Milbank’s occupation suggests either counter-cultural sympathies or trustafarianism.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "Ann Schulman Milbank was an elementary schoolteacher who attended in succession two very rank and file colleges ca. 1965 (presumably one for an arts and sciences degree and one for a teaching certificate). I doubt her father was country club material, but who knows."

    There are varying levels of country clubs, dear fellow...


    " She married a gentile (rather atypical ca. 1966)"

    But less atypical than it would have been in 1946....

    " and both her sons married gentiles. I tend to doubt you’ll find here a fantastic example of inter-generational social resentments."

    "Fantastic" seems too strong a word, but one can readily imagine anxiety over the preservation of Jewish identity, and it is really quite astonishing how maudlin many otherwise sensible Jews can get about the Immigration Restriction Act (cf Stephen Steinlight's angry references to the Act) and its evil WASP authors....


    "By the way, Mark Milbank’s occupation suggests either counter-cultural sympathies or trustafarianism."

    Possible. In either case, he seems to have had a weak sense of his (presumed) WASP identity. After all, his son clearly identifies with his mother's ethnicity and not with his father's.Which, of course, adds an interesting frisson to his article about a Republican politician who has rejected his mother's Jewish background...
  95. @Jefferson
    "In America today, for obvious reasons, half-jews seem to more often embrace the jewish side of their identity."

    I have even met people who are a quarter Jewish and seventy five percent Gentile, who still strongly self identify as Jewish.

    “In America today, for obvious reasons, half-jews seem to more often embrace the jewish side of their identity.”

    ‘Embrace’ is an odd way to put it. See the complaints about J Street: that it’s staffed with and reflects the viewpoint of inter-married Jews and their children.

    • Replies: @FredR
    "‘Embrace’ is an odd way to put it. See the complaints about J Street: that it’s staffed with and reflects the viewpoint of inter-married Jews and their children."

    I'm not sure what you mean. That J Street and the newest generation of american jews and part-jews are more liberal on Israeli issues than previous generations doesn't say much about whether or not they identify as Jewish. Working at a lobbying group devoted solely to issues surrounding Israel seems like something you do when you're pretty serious about your Jewish identity. Or maybe I misunderstood the point.

    , @FredR
    “‘Embrace’ is an odd way to put it. See the complaints about J Street: that it’s staffed with and reflects the viewpoint of inter-married Jews and their children.”

    I’m not sure what you mean. That J Street and the newest generation of american jews and part-jews are more liberal on Israeli issues than previous generations doesn’t say much about whether or not they identify as Jewish. Working at a lobbying group devoted solely to issues surrounding Israel seems like something you do when you’re pretty serious about your Jewish identity. Or maybe I misunderstood the point.
  96. @Greenstalk
    lol at the casual anti-Semitism


    Lol at the imbecilic charges of "anti-Semitism" which get thrown around whenever a Jewish person is called out for his hatred of gentiles.

    which get thrown around whenever a Jewish person is called out for his hatred of gentiles.

    Hyam Maccoby, Leon Wieseltier, and Robert Wistrich actually do despise large swaths of the gentile population. That’s three down and about 5.7 million to go…

  97. The one population that most supports homeschooling, is the one that supposedly were “stuffing you into lockers back in 1982.”

    I don’t remember evangelical kids as being particularly aggressive in 1982.

  98. @syonredux
    "Yeah, his mother’s maiden name was Schulman. She went to college in Vermont and worked as a schoolteacher all her adult life. So you fancy his father had no influence worth mentioning on his view of politics and religion?"

    Well, based on this article, it would seem that Milbank has little regard for people with Jewish mothers who do not view themselves as Jews....


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091801014.html

    Well, based on this article, it would seem that Milbank has little regard for people with Jewish mothers who do not view themselves as Jews….

    He’s a Democratic operative writing an article about a Republican politician, and what he says still doesn’t jive with your gloss.

    Obsessions make you stupid.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "He’s a Democratic operative writing an article about a Republican politician, and what he says still doesn’t jive with your gloss."

    It's all about reading between the lines, dear fellow: "How dare this son of a Jewish mother not fully and completely embrace her heritage," etc.

    "Obsessions make you stupid."

    Although he is clearly obsessed, I would never call Milbank stupid.....
    , @slumber_j
    You said: "He’s a Democratic operative writing an article about a Republican politician, and what he says still doesn’t jive with your gloss.

    "Obsessions make you stupid."

    How true. The word you're looking for is "jibe," not "jive."

    , @slumber_j
    You said: "He’s a Democratic operative writing an article about a Republican politician, and what he says still doesn’t jive with your gloss.

    "Obsessions make you stupid."

    Yeah: for example, you mean to say "jibe," not "jive."

  99. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/who-owns-the-future/

    “Far from being something to fear, Milbank writes, this ‘is to be celebrated. Indeed, it is the key to our survival.’ Immigrants pouring in from the Third World will bring a ‘fresh labor supply’ and ‘fresh blood to cure us of what ails us.’ A tired America will be revitalized.”

    Btw, if all this foreign blood is so fresh and vital, how come it’s not doing much for economic growth back home? I mean Honduras should be Switzerland by now with all that fresh energetic blood.

    For some reason, all this fresh blood needs to be hired and led by white Americans to be put to productive use. I guess the blood of elites back home is pretty tired. Non-white blood does best to serve the white elites.

    Granted, it may be true that mass white blood–esp among lower classes–isn’t what it used to be. Poor whites are not willing to work as hard as their ancestors and immigrants. But what accounts for this?
    Maybe the corrupting influence of pop culture and welfare that encourages fatassness?
    Like yob culture in the UK. But didn’t Libs give us stuff like crap pop culture and Great Society?

    I guess energetic white elites in business are more dependent on non-white blood from poor countries that is willing to work for a pittance.

    Blood and toil.

    But in one generation, their kids will end up like 3rd generation Mexican-Americans who fail in school and depend on welfare.

    PS: By the way, isn’t all this talk of blood and staleness ‘racist’? Oh, the white blood is now so stale and needs transfusion of fresh blood.

    So, thoughts of racial impurity are bad but thoughts of racial staleness are good.

    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    “Far from being something to fear, Milbank writes, this ‘is to be celebrated. Indeed, it is the key to our survival.’ "

    I wonder if by "our" he means his own ethnic group, Ashkenazie Americans? He may be thinking, perhaps unconsciously, that because of their outsized success at the elite level they will be safer in a multi-racial society. Never mind that a racially stratified class society (aka, a meritocracy) is incompatible with the ideals of American democracy, to say nothing of the material interests of the overwhelming majority of ordinary working Americans (of all races). What counts is safety at the top. Not only is this morally wrong, it is politically naive. Remember that in the multi-ethnic Austro-Hungarian empire the component nationalities could agree on nothing except that they all hated the Jews. It was the hot house of modern anti-Semitism.

  100. America First? How 1940!

    If you can put Jews first, we can put America first, can’t we? And why should we presume that the prevailing wisdom in 1940 was less wise than today’s?

  101. No, Milbank goes on to explain that Chinese are superior to Tired Blood whites because they have more conservative values: “mutual responsibility, long-term thinking, humility, moral character and contribution to society.” For some reason that Milbank doesn’t get around to explaining, however, the Chinese in China don’t seem to find those values congruent with being flooded with immigrants.

    And for some reason Chinese immigrants to the US don’t seem to find those values congruent with their own personal interests.

  102. By the “you Americans stole it” argument, if anybody oughta get some land, it’s the Cheyenne and the Apache and Hopi, etc., who are now living on reservations in U.S., as full U.S. citizens.
    The funny thing is, all those Reconquista types who fling accusations, nobody trying to guilt White Americans into vacating gives two hoots about THOSE guys.

    Of course, they don’t. If they did, they would not live on land that they (obviously disingenuously) claim to be stolen. The Indians are second from the bottom of the PC totem pole, because the whole point of PC in the US is to take White territory and give it to someone other than those the Whites allegedly stole it from. That’s why we got that Seinfeld episode in which an Indian is an “Indian giver”.

  103. Milbank’s an English name, the chump grew up on Long Island, went to Yale, and was even tapped for one of their lousy secret societies. The man’s a supercilious piece of work, but its hardly fair to stick the Jews with the bill for that.

    I’ve never heard of anyone else named Milbank, English or otherwise. But that really doesn’t matter. THIS Milbank is Jewish, and you’re scapegoating.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I'm scapegoating? You lot are the ones fixated on a fantasy of his grandfather.
  104. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “America needs fresh blood to re-invigorate its tired and old blood”.

    Good God!, what is he describing?, a nation of vampires?

    Perhaps we can take a leaf out of Beckman’s, (another rabid immigrationist), book and open up a regular trade in human flesh, and supplement it with a liquid market in fresh, vigorous, third world blood, extracted from the pre-pubescent – those in the ‘know’ say that such blood is awfully more potent in the ‘re-invigoration’ business. Third world blood will be sold by the barrel and chalked up at the NYSE. Plutocrats will bathe in it, nightly, and The Economist magazine, Caplan, Beckman and others will be orgasmically ecstatic.

  105. “It depends what you mean by “Arab looking”. Plenty of Frenchies have Mediterranean looks, and that includes the same olive skin as many Arabs.”

    By Arab looking I mean the average phenotype that you see in the streets of Egypt and Morocco for example. I have never seen a 100 percent native ethnic French person who’s both maternal and paternal parents, grandparents, great grandparent, great great grandparents, etc were all born in France and yet still have an Arab looking phenotype.

  106. @Hubbub
    For the most part, I agree with you. Immigrants did not make this country; this country made immigrants into successful 'natives.' The original colonies were set up as extensions of British or European economic or religious endeavors. The founding fathers made a country that was welcoming to peoples of like nature and for their posterity. Immigrants came here for a better life because a better life was possible with hard work and foresight. Emma Lazarus' trite declaration on the base of the Statue of Liberty was but a reflection of the progressive spirit of her time, not the time of the founding of the Republic.

    To Milbank, it makes no difference who settled the country nor what cultures, peoples or organizations populate the geographic area of a nation. He thinks, as only an imbecilic knave can, that a nation is a geographic location - never mind the ingredients that make it up; they're are all interchangeable. Fill the space with any people, culture, or political and social structures and you'll still get the unique United States of American (c 1960). This is the Progressive mindset. It is callous and it is destructive.

    “For the most part, I agree with you.”: you are agreeing with a poster who has just failed an IQ test.

    • Replies: @Zzz
    To be fair, it was an extremely poor 'test'. I wouldn't feel smug about people 'failing' it but rather try and make a sharper one that people might actually get next time.
    , @Hubbub
    Only for the most part. You know, the part he did pass on his IQ test. BTW, did you pass yours?
  107. @JSM
    "The Mexicans and Central American immigrants are a principally Amerindian people returning to the previously Amerindian territory of North America. "

    Meh, The Apache who *actually* inhabited the American Southwest when the Europeans got here, have no love lost for the Aztecs, etc., and fought many bloody battles to keep them OUT of what of their territory. They *particularly* didn't appreciate the Aztecs' occasional incursions into the southern parts of the Mojave desert to take a few Apache braves captive to use for their human sacrifices.

    By the "you Americans stole it" argument, if anybody oughta get some land, it's the Cheyenne and the Apache and Hopi, etc., who are now living on reservations in U.S., as full U.S. citizens.
    The funny thing is, all those Reconquista types who fling accusations, nobody trying to guilt White Americans into vacating gives two hoots about THOSE guys.

    But ask the actual Apache descendents, they'll tell you, hell no, I don't want mestizos from Mexico taking over.

    “But ask the actual Apache descendants”: you too have taken an IQ test and failed to shine.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    or perhaps, JSM, you have understood it and made a drolly ironic reply. In which case, top marks.
  108. @dearieme
    "But ask the actual Apache descendants": you too have taken an IQ test and failed to shine.

    or perhaps, JSM, you have understood it and made a drolly ironic reply. In which case, top marks.

  109. Presumably Dana Milbank isn’t trying to provide more evidence for K-Mac’s theories.

  110. @dearieme
    "For the most part, I agree with you.”: you are agreeing with a poster who has just failed an IQ test.

    To be fair, it was an extremely poor ‘test’. I wouldn’t feel smug about people ‘failing’ it but rather try and make a sharper one that people might actually get next time.

  111. B.A.D. was bad-ass. And had a sound and style that could have easily gone big.

  112. “Milbank goes on to explain that Chinese are superior to Tired Blood whites because they have more conservative values: “mutual responsibility, long-term thinking, humility, moral character and contribution to society.””

    How many Chinese people has this guy known? I’d gather none any more than acquaintances. Otherwise, no way he could propagate these foolish stereotypes as representative of the Chinese. I’ve known many Chinese throughout my life, and lived for awhile in China. Cheating and lying are the core morals there, not just towards foreigners, but towards each other. As a result, China is a low-trust society. So much so, that even though the US is foreign and even somewhat of an enemy they often trust us more than other Chinese when it matters. For example, they would rather pay an arm and a leg for American vitamins, medicines, etc, than buy these things from other Chinese, when they can. We can safely strike off mutual responsibility, and moral character. They prefer to cheat society rather than contribute if at all possible. And as soon as they gain any level of prestige or achievement, many tend to flaunt it in a cruel, arrogant manner over everyone else. So we can safely strike humility off the list for many if not most.

    Leftism in America relies on artificial stereotypes. How else could we have such positive views of people of color?

    • Replies: @Bill M
    What you say may be true, but it isn't true as far as buying medicines goes. It's why traditional Chinese medicine is a major industry and co-exists with Western medicine there. Lots of Chinese trust traditional Chinese doctors and medicines more than Western ones.
  113. @Anon
    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/who-owns-the-future/

    "Far from being something to fear, Milbank writes, this 'is to be celebrated. Indeed, it is the key to our survival.' Immigrants pouring in from the Third World will bring a 'fresh labor supply' and 'fresh blood to cure us of what ails us.' A tired America will be revitalized."

    Btw, if all this foreign blood is so fresh and vital, how come it's not doing much for economic growth back home? I mean Honduras should be Switzerland by now with all that fresh energetic blood.

    For some reason, all this fresh blood needs to be hired and led by white Americans to be put to productive use. I guess the blood of elites back home is pretty tired. Non-white blood does best to serve the white elites.

    Granted, it may be true that mass white blood--esp among lower classes--isn't what it used to be. Poor whites are not willing to work as hard as their ancestors and immigrants. But what accounts for this?
    Maybe the corrupting influence of pop culture and welfare that encourages fatassness?
    Like yob culture in the UK. But didn't Libs give us stuff like crap pop culture and Great Society?

    I guess energetic white elites in business are more dependent on non-white blood from poor countries that is willing to work for a pittance.

    Blood and toil.

    But in one generation, their kids will end up like 3rd generation Mexican-Americans who fail in school and depend on welfare.

    PS: By the way, isn't all this talk of blood and staleness 'racist'? Oh, the white blood is now so stale and needs transfusion of fresh blood.

    So, thoughts of racial impurity are bad but thoughts of racial staleness are good.

    “Far from being something to fear, Milbank writes, this ‘is to be celebrated. Indeed, it is the key to our survival.’ ”

    I wonder if by “our” he means his own ethnic group, Ashkenazie Americans? He may be thinking, perhaps unconsciously, that because of their outsized success at the elite level they will be safer in a multi-racial society. Never mind that a racially stratified class society (aka, a meritocracy) is incompatible with the ideals of American democracy, to say nothing of the material interests of the overwhelming majority of ordinary working Americans (of all races). What counts is safety at the top. Not only is this morally wrong, it is politically naive. Remember that in the multi-ethnic Austro-Hungarian empire the component nationalities could agree on nothing except that they all hated the Jews. It was the hot house of modern anti-Semitism.

  114. @dearieme
    "For the most part, I agree with you.”: you are agreeing with a poster who has just failed an IQ test.

    Only for the most part. You know, the part he did pass on his IQ test. BTW, did you pass yours?

  115. @Art Deco
    Well, based on this article, it would seem that Milbank has little regard for people with Jewish mothers who do not view themselves as Jews….

    He's a Democratic operative writing an article about a Republican politician, and what he says still doesn't jive with your gloss.

    Obsessions make you stupid.

    “He’s a Democratic operative writing an article about a Republican politician, and what he says still doesn’t jive with your gloss.”

    It’s all about reading between the lines, dear fellow: “How dare this son of a Jewish mother not fully and completely embrace her heritage,” etc.

    “Obsessions make you stupid.”

    Although he is clearly obsessed, I would never call Milbank stupid…..

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    It’s all about reading between the lines, dear fellow: “How dare this son of a Jewish mother not fully and completely embrace her heritage,” etc.

    You're not reading between the lines. You're reading the scum in your own navel.
  116. “Art Deco says:

    Milbank’s an English name, …..”

    And “Stewart” is a scottish name. Is John Stewart a son of Caledonia?

    “…the chump grew up on Long Island, went to Yale, and was even tapped for one of their lousy secret societies. The man’s a supercilious piece of work, but its hardly fair to stick the Jews with the bill for that.”

    From the Jerusalem Post:

    “He’s back!” Dana Milbank, a Jewish columnist for The Washington Post, posted on Twitter, with a link to the audio. Milbank is the author of Tears of a Clown: Glenn Beck and the Tea Bagging of America, which alleges that Beck’s theories are rooted in conspiratorial anti-Semitism.”

  117. “But for the country, the disassociation of whiteness and American-ness is to be celebrated. Indeed, it is the key to our survival.”

    Our survival? And to whom does “our” refer to?

  118. @Art Deco
    Uh huh.

    Ann Schulman Milbank was an elementary schoolteacher who attended in succession two very rank and file colleges ca. 1965 (presumably one for an arts and sciences degree and one for a teaching certificate). I doubt her father was country club material, but who knows. She married a gentile (rather atypical ca. 1966) and both her sons married gentiles. I tend to doubt you'll find here a fantastic example of inter-generational social resentments. By the way, Mark Milbank's occupation suggests either counter-cultural sympathies or trustafarianism.

    “Ann Schulman Milbank was an elementary schoolteacher who attended in succession two very rank and file colleges ca. 1965 (presumably one for an arts and sciences degree and one for a teaching certificate). I doubt her father was country club material, but who knows.”

    There are varying levels of country clubs, dear fellow…

    ” She married a gentile (rather atypical ca. 1966)”

    But less atypical than it would have been in 1946….

    ” and both her sons married gentiles. I tend to doubt you’ll find here a fantastic example of inter-generational social resentments.”

    “Fantastic” seems too strong a word, but one can readily imagine anxiety over the preservation of Jewish identity, and it is really quite astonishing how maudlin many otherwise sensible Jews can get about the Immigration Restriction Act (cf Stephen Steinlight’s angry references to the Act) and its evil WASP authors….

    “By the way, Mark Milbank’s occupation suggests either counter-cultural sympathies or trustafarianism.”

    Possible. In either case, he seems to have had a weak sense of his (presumed) WASP identity. After all, his son clearly identifies with his mother’s ethnicity and not with his father’s.Which, of course, adds an interesting frisson to his article about a Republican politician who has rejected his mother’s Jewish background…

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    After all, his son clearly identifies with his mother’s ethnicity and not with his father’s.

    Rubbish. Her son is a standard issue liberal journalist with the same attitudes and deficit of reflection that Richard Blow (a.k.a. Richard Bradley) carries around with him. Richard Blow is thoroughly non-ethnic (but a Harvard grad).

    --

    The cruddy little social resentments here are yours, buddy.
  119. Liberals have their “War On Women” brand.

    Conservatives have their “War On White People” brand.

    Both philosophies are rooted in half-baked logic pitched by snake oil salespeople.

    And Jefferson is the “white” Al Sharpton.

    “How is becoming a Nonwhite country the key to America’s survival.”

    Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.

    “Honduran youths can teach more American youths on how to be cold assassins, since Honduras has one of the highest per capita murder rate in the world.”

    Due to the prevalence of the drug lords there, absolutely, that is the primary cause.

    “How can Latin America be like Nazi Germany when most people in Latin America are not even White.”


    
Observably false. White Latin Americans constitute the largest racial-ethnic group here. White is the self-identification of many Latin Americans in national censuses.

  120. One thing I will say, in NY there is a new crop of Asian/Hispanic people cropping up.

    Say whatever you want, those girls are cuties.

  121. @syonredux
    "Ann Schulman Milbank was an elementary schoolteacher who attended in succession two very rank and file colleges ca. 1965 (presumably one for an arts and sciences degree and one for a teaching certificate). I doubt her father was country club material, but who knows."

    There are varying levels of country clubs, dear fellow...


    " She married a gentile (rather atypical ca. 1966)"

    But less atypical than it would have been in 1946....

    " and both her sons married gentiles. I tend to doubt you’ll find here a fantastic example of inter-generational social resentments."

    "Fantastic" seems too strong a word, but one can readily imagine anxiety over the preservation of Jewish identity, and it is really quite astonishing how maudlin many otherwise sensible Jews can get about the Immigration Restriction Act (cf Stephen Steinlight's angry references to the Act) and its evil WASP authors....


    "By the way, Mark Milbank’s occupation suggests either counter-cultural sympathies or trustafarianism."

    Possible. In either case, he seems to have had a weak sense of his (presumed) WASP identity. After all, his son clearly identifies with his mother's ethnicity and not with his father's.Which, of course, adds an interesting frisson to his article about a Republican politician who has rejected his mother's Jewish background...

    After all, his son clearly identifies with his mother’s ethnicity and not with his father’s.

    Rubbish. Her son is a standard issue liberal journalist with the same attitudes and deficit of reflection that Richard Blow (a.k.a. Richard Bradley) carries around with him. Richard Blow is thoroughly non-ethnic (but a Harvard grad).

    The cruddy little social resentments here are yours, buddy.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "Rubbish. Her son is a standard issue liberal journalist"

    Well, a standard issue liberal Jewish journalist...

    " with the same attitudes and deficit of reflection that Richard Blow (a.k.a. Richard Bradley) carries around with him. Richard Blow is thoroughly non-ethnic (but a Harvard grad)."

    No one is "non-ethnic" dear fellow. We all come from somewhere.



    "The cruddy little social resentments here are yours, buddy."

    I prefer to think of myself as merely quite attuned to the resentments of others. You see, my mother is of Ashkenazi Jewish descent while my father is of English-Scottish origins. Hence, I have a certain degree of first hand insight into the mindset of a particular variety of Jewish American liberal. Go to a certain kind of Reform Synagogue, and you will see dozens of men and women of Milbank's ilk...
  122. @ben tillman

    Milbank’s an English name, the chump grew up on Long Island, went to Yale, and was even tapped for one of their lousy secret societies. The man’s a supercilious piece of work, but its hardly fair to stick the Jews with the bill for that.
     
    I've never heard of anyone else named Milbank, English or otherwise. But that really doesn't matter. THIS Milbank is Jewish, and you're scapegoating.

    I’m scapegoating? You lot are the ones fixated on a fantasy of his grandfather.

  123. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Never heard of ‘Millbank’ as a surname before, but in London it refers to a street besides the Thames by Pimlico way, which contains the Tate Gallery. Presumably in ancient times, a tidal mill operated there.
    Strangely enough, Millbank prison stood on the sight of the Tate Gallery, it was pulled down around 1900. Millbank prison was one of thirst ‘panopticon’ prisons – designed by the philosopher Jeremy Bentham, to be built in England. It was a huge and forbidding prison, by all accounts, operating under the ‘silent’ and ‘seperate’ systems, using hand-crank machines to perform ‘hard labour’ and a reputation for driving inmates mad.

  124. @Art Deco
    “In America today, for obvious reasons, half-jews seem to more often embrace the jewish side of their identity.”

    'Embrace' is an odd way to put it. See the complaints about J Street: that it's staffed with and reflects the viewpoint of inter-married Jews and their children.

    “‘Embrace’ is an odd way to put it. See the complaints about J Street: that it’s staffed with and reflects the viewpoint of inter-married Jews and their children.”

    I’m not sure what you mean. That J Street and the newest generation of american jews and part-jews are more liberal on Israeli issues than previous generations doesn’t say much about whether or not they identify as Jewish. Working at a lobbying group devoted solely to issues surrounding Israel seems like something you do when you’re pretty serious about your Jewish identity. Or maybe I misunderstood the point.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    That J Street and the newest generation of american jews and part-jews are more liberal on Israeli issues than previous generations doesn’t say much about whether or not they identify as Jewish.

    Oh yes it does. Here you have a bunch of people with gentile parents, commonly with little or nothing in the way of religious affiliation, running a lobby which works against the interests of Israel and chronically misconceives Israel's political dilemmas in ways you'd expect of liberal squisheads from the BosWash corridor.
  125. @Art Deco
    “In America today, for obvious reasons, half-jews seem to more often embrace the jewish side of their identity.”

    'Embrace' is an odd way to put it. See the complaints about J Street: that it's staffed with and reflects the viewpoint of inter-married Jews and their children.

    “‘Embrace’ is an odd way to put it. See the complaints about J Street: that it’s staffed with and reflects the viewpoint of inter-married Jews and their children.”

    I’m not sure what you mean. That J Street and the newest generation of american jews and part-jews are more liberal on Israeli issues than previous generations doesn’t say much about whether or not they identify as Jewish. Working at a lobbying group devoted solely to issues surrounding Israel seems like something you do when you’re pretty serious about your Jewish identity. Or maybe I misunderstood the point.

  126. it is really quite astonishing how maudlin many otherwise sensible Jews can get about the Immigration Restriction Act

    Jews are often intelligent, but are rarely sensible. This confuses white gentiles among whom intelligence and “sense” are considered to be closely linked, and which are closely linked in their own population.

  127. It’s fascinating to me that this guy basically thinks that the US is some kind of superculture built off of composites of other cultures….

    … yet at the same time, American culture has all these problems, and isn’t competitive without picking and choosing more.

  128. Hyam Maccoby, Leon Wieseltier, and Robert Wistrich actually do despise large swaths of the gentile population.

    For some reason you left out Dana Milbank, the Jewish person engaging in anti-white bigotry who is being discussed on this thread.

    That’s three down and about 5.7 million to go…

    Obsessions make you stupid. Your obsession with imagining that you are defending innocent Jews from “anti-Semitism” is making you stupid. Nobody is attacking 5.7 million Jews, we’re criticizing specific Jews for engaging in a particular sort of ignorant racial hatred which really ought to be beyond the pale – the sort of racial hatred which would move Jews themselves to incandescent rage it it were directed at anyone other than people of white Christian heritage.

  129. “Observably false. White Latin Americans constitute the largest racial-ethnic group here. White is the self-identification of many Latin Americans in national censuses.”

    If most people in Latin America are White, why do left-wingers support massive immigration from Latin America if it is just going to help make The U.S an even Whiter country than it is currently is ?

  130. @Anon
    "For some reason that Milbank doesn’t get around to explaining, however, the Chinese in China don’t seem to find those values congruent with being flooded with immigrants."

    Over long time, Chinese blood grow so tired and decay. So, what bring it back to life?

    Threat of imperialism, humiliation of defeat not only at hands of West but dwarfs of Japan.
    Chinese get real angry. They angry at foreign devil. They angry at Manchu. They angry with own ruler who no longer have mandate of heaven. They angry with own culture. They angry with themselves. All this anger revive Chinese blood and make them rise up nationalistically.

    If not for invasion by West and Japan, Chinese blood still be feudal and tired. But challenge from foreign devil make Chinese stand up and fight and work to be great power.

    If what chinese did very good, then white people must also recharge blood with anger and racial patriotism that make white blood energetic again.

    Also, Chinese break habit of foreign opiate. Chinese say "fuc* you, Paul Johnson with your apology for British opium trade."

    Today, white race under influence of drug of 'white guilt' injected into vein by globo doctor. It time for white people to break bad habit and regenerate blood with anger and pride. Then Milbank and his ilk's ass toast long time.

    anon at 5:00a.m.: you made my day. Too funny, too true.

    • Replies: @Seneca
    Yes, I agree with you, anon at 5:00a.m.: 's post was definitely very funny.

    I hope he or she will provide us with some more Chinese wisdom in the future.
  131. @Rifleman
    America First? How 1940!

    Sending illegals back to Latin America = sending the Jews back to certain death in Nazi Germany.

    Diane Feinstein already made that point.

    Meanwhile the real demographic war is against American born blacks. Not that I care but then again neither do our Jewish liberal Democrat moral overlords.

    “Sending illegals back to Latin America = sending the Jews back to certain death in Nazi Germany.”

    According to a report that was issued in 2003– fifty-eight years after the end of World War II– there were an estimated 1,092,000 “Shoah survivors” still alive, then, living throughout the world:

    ***

    “For analytic and practical purposes, the definition of who is eligible to the title of Shoah
    survivor is open to widely differing interpretations. In this report we adopt an Intermediate
    Extensive concept. It includes all those Jewish persons who are alive today and who at least
    for a brief period of time were submitted in their locations to a regime of duress and/or
    limitation of their full civil rights in relation to their Jewish background—whether by a Nazi
    foreign occupying power or by a local authority associated with the Nazis’ endeavor—or had
    to flee elsewhere in order to avoid falling under the aforementioned situations. Such
    definition incorporates all Jews who actually suffered physical or other kinds of persecution,
    those who escaped from areas in which they were the designated target for persecution, and
    those who suffered any kind of other—even temporary or potential—limitation of personal
    freedom.”

    (http://www.icheic.org/pdf/ICHEIC_demography1.pdf

    ***

    “‘If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one,’ my mother used to exclaim, ‘who did Hitler kill then?’”

    –Dr. Norman Finkelstein, “The Holocaust Industry” (2000), p. 81

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    “‘If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one,’ my mother used to exclaim, ‘who did Hitler kill then?’”–Dr. Norman Finkelstein, “The Holocaust Industry” (2000), p. 81

    The other 2/3 of European Jewry. C'mon D.K., this isn't that difficult.

    You don't need to be so transparent as to be taken in by Finkelstein's rhetorical games.
  132. Even I was taken aback by this sotto voce race-hate from (Jewish) Milbank. Imagine someone writing those things about Jews and Israel in WaPo instead of Whites and America. The man would almost certainly lose his job.

    Larded throughout the genteel race-hatred of whites is the self-interested scrabbling of Jews and Chinese to advance Jewish and Chinese interests, at the expense of and in the guise of advancing “American” interests.

    Sending illegals back to Latin America = sending the Jews back to certain death in Nazi Germany.

    Diane Feinstein already made that point.

    Meanwhile the real demographic war is against American born blacks. Not that I care but then again neither do our Jewish liberal Democrat moral overlords.

    One look at Israeli immigration policy and we can plainly see that it’s always 1940s Germany in Israel.

    But for the country, the disassociation of whiteness and American-ness is to be celebrated. Indeed, it is the key to our survival.

    But for Israel, the disassociation of Jewishness and Israeli-ness is to be celebrated. Indeed, it is the key to Israel’s survival.

    I’m assuming Milbank’s Jewish. Even as a (partial) Jew, I get fooled sometimes by Jewish crypsis. When I see a name like Dana Milbank I picture a guy who looks like, well, Dana Carvey.

    One look at his photo will disabuse you. No crypsis there. OMG, I identified a Jew by his looks! ANTI-SEMITISM!!! Actually, I identified him by his (genteel, plausible-deniability-style) hatred of White heathens (“gentiles”). I’d probably looked him up in the past and forgotten, though.

    The Chinese Corleone was pulling a fast one on Milbank but he’s too dumb to realize it.

    WTF? Liu and Milbank are playing exactly the same game.

    The Chinese of Elmhurst NYC are no more interested in being exposed to vibrant diversity than Southern Whites.

    By “diversity” the Chinaman meant “Chinese.”

    And of course Dana Milbank is just another self-hating white who rejected traditional Christianity.

    Of course. Liu too.

    Jews sure do love their “magic blood” tropes.

    For thee, but not for them, of course. The Fatherland must remain pure.

    I never thought much of it until just now where it seems that the excuse for wiping out whites is that they have “tired blood.”

    Most tired blood in the universe: Jews’ blood. They need some invigoratin’, ASAP.

    Anyone who writes about how contemporary China is characterized by “mutual responsibility, long-term thinking, humility, moral character and contribution to society” is delusional.

    Israel and China are characterized by closed borders and majoritarianism. Saudi Arabia’s immigration policy is more democratic and liberal than Israel’s Nuremberg laws.

  133. So you fancy his father had no influence worth mentioning on his view of politics and religion?

    Sure. His father’s influence is what his mother’s influence steamrolls in pursuit of Jewish interests. Did you read the piece?

    “Entine laid out the data. The average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is 107 to 115, well above the human average of 100.”

    That’s diaspora Ashkenazis. In Israel the mean is 104, dropping the worldwide average substantially (to about 107-108).

    “Sending illegals back to Latin America = sending the Jews back to certain death in Nazi Germany.”

    This really bugs me. Since some hundreds of Jews in the 1930s were denied to immigrate to America, the Jews have judged us White Americans to be unworthy to have a country to ourselves.

    What’s really interesting is how much like the Nazis the Jews sound when they’re talking about Palestinians. Short version: Palestinians saying mean things about Jews and firing rockets at them that kill no one justifies Jews slaughtering Palestinians by the thousand. They’re basically retroactively justifying their German holocaust.

    Don’t go overboard, he’s married to a shiksa.

    Slave owners humped their slaves. Bravery of love?

    I have even met people who are a quarter Jewish and seventy five percent Gentile, who still strongly self identify as Jewish.

    The lure of esprit de corps is powerful.

    Milbank is a Bonesman. He probably has some Mayflower in him.

    I guess that’s where the genteel part of his genteel race-hatred of whites comes from.

    lol at the casual anti-Semitism. All the open borders elite WASPs also upset about their great-grandfather and the country club?

    My anti-semitism is more the professional variety.

    He’d straight up reply “Oh, no, no. Can’t you tell?”

    No, he’d probably assume the pose of the “meritocratic” “altruist.” Now, if his “whiteness” was going to cost him something…

    Presumably Dana Milbank isn’t trying to provide more evidence for K-Mac’s theories.

    Yes, it’s textbook KMac. Pursue your tribal interests by convincing your enemy you’re pursuing his interests, or “universal” interests.

    Milbank is the author of Tears of a Clown: Glenn Beck and the Tea Bagging of America, which alleges that Beck’s theories are rooted in conspiratorial anti-Semitism.”

    Yeah, definitely not Jewish first, that one.

    Her son is a standard issue liberal journalist with the same attitudes and deficit of reflection that Richard Blow (a.k.a. Richard Bradley) carries around with him.

    Sure, that’s why he wrote a book characterizing Glenn Beck as Goebbels.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Don’t go overboard, he’s married to a shiksa.

    Svigor:"Slave owners humped their slaves. Bravery of love?"

    Dear boy, this is quite possibly the most absurd comparison that I have ever read.
  134. @Art Deco
    After all, his son clearly identifies with his mother’s ethnicity and not with his father’s.

    Rubbish. Her son is a standard issue liberal journalist with the same attitudes and deficit of reflection that Richard Blow (a.k.a. Richard Bradley) carries around with him. Richard Blow is thoroughly non-ethnic (but a Harvard grad).

    --

    The cruddy little social resentments here are yours, buddy.

    “Rubbish. Her son is a standard issue liberal journalist”

    Well, a standard issue liberal Jewish journalist…

    ” with the same attitudes and deficit of reflection that Richard Blow (a.k.a. Richard Bradley) carries around with him. Richard Blow is thoroughly non-ethnic (but a Harvard grad).”

    No one is “non-ethnic” dear fellow. We all come from somewhere.

    “The cruddy little social resentments here are yours, buddy.”

    I prefer to think of myself as merely quite attuned to the resentments of others. You see, my mother is of Ashkenazi Jewish descent while my father is of English-Scottish origins. Hence, I have a certain degree of first hand insight into the mindset of a particular variety of Jewish American liberal. Go to a certain kind of Reform Synagogue, and you will see dozens of men and women of Milbank’s ilk…

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    1. I'm not interested in your personal biography as a source of authority, even if I though it was non-fiction.

    2. She's a schoolteacher with an MEd from Hofstra. She could conceivably be a corporation executive's daughter, but that's not the way to bet.
    , @Art Deco
    Well, a standard issue liberal Jewish journalist…

    Um, no. The only ethnic distinctions in portside opinion journalism concern the color bar and matters of emphasis.
  135. I think we should colonize these vibrant Hondurans and such in neighborhoods of Mr. Milbanks’ coethnics in Boca Raton, Hollywood, etc. so they can see for themselves the strength that diversity brings us all!

  136. Milbank is so oblivious that he doesn’t realize that he wrote an entire article premised on the view that gentile populations are mere “fresh” or “tired” “blood supplies”.

  137. @Kinstlinger
    "Milbank goes on to explain that Chinese are superior to Tired Blood whites because they have more conservative values: “mutual responsibility, long-term thinking, humility, moral character and contribution to society.”"

    How many Chinese people has this guy known? I'd gather none any more than acquaintances. Otherwise, no way he could propagate these foolish stereotypes as representative of the Chinese. I've known many Chinese throughout my life, and lived for awhile in China. Cheating and lying are the core morals there, not just towards foreigners, but towards each other. As a result, China is a low-trust society. So much so, that even though the US is foreign and even somewhat of an enemy they often trust us more than other Chinese when it matters. For example, they would rather pay an arm and a leg for American vitamins, medicines, etc, than buy these things from other Chinese, when they can. We can safely strike off mutual responsibility, and moral character. They prefer to cheat society rather than contribute if at all possible. And as soon as they gain any level of prestige or achievement, many tend to flaunt it in a cruel, arrogant manner over everyone else. So we can safely strike humility off the list for many if not most.

    Leftism in America relies on artificial stereotypes. How else could we have such positive views of people of color?

    What you say may be true, but it isn’t true as far as buying medicines goes. It’s why traditional Chinese medicine is a major industry and co-exists with Western medicine there. Lots of Chinese trust traditional Chinese doctors and medicines more than Western ones.

  138. Apparently our WASP great-grandpas were all into that country club, and they all went to Harvard or Yale. Or maybe some people only compare themselves with the elite of a country, and so they always feel hard done by.

  139. I would not have a problem with diversity if most Nonwhites in the U.S were like Thomas Sowell and Michelle Malkin for example, who have culturally assimilated to White Western norms and do not hold racist anti-White views.

    Too bad they are the exception and not the rule. Unfortunately the rule for Nonwhites in the U.S is people like Sonia Sotomayor, Sheila Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Luis Gutierrez.

  140. “Apparently our WASP great-grandpas were all into that country club, and they all went to Harvard or Yale. Or maybe some people only compare themselves with the elite of a country, and so they always feel hard done by.”

    None of my ancestors would have been allowed into the WASP country clubs back in the days, since they were from Sicilia and Calabria.

    But I do not personally hold a grudge against the entire WASP demographic.

  141. @FredR
    "‘Embrace’ is an odd way to put it. See the complaints about J Street: that it’s staffed with and reflects the viewpoint of inter-married Jews and their children."

    I'm not sure what you mean. That J Street and the newest generation of american jews and part-jews are more liberal on Israeli issues than previous generations doesn't say much about whether or not they identify as Jewish. Working at a lobbying group devoted solely to issues surrounding Israel seems like something you do when you're pretty serious about your Jewish identity. Or maybe I misunderstood the point.

    That J Street and the newest generation of american jews and part-jews are more liberal on Israeli issues than previous generations doesn’t say much about whether or not they identify as Jewish.

    Oh yes it does. Here you have a bunch of people with gentile parents, commonly with little or nothing in the way of religious affiliation, running a lobby which works against the interests of Israel and chronically misconceives Israel’s political dilemmas in ways you’d expect of liberal squisheads from the BosWash corridor.

    • Replies: @Bill M
    The vast majority of kids with gentile parents in the US don't even think about Israel, let alone start lobbying orgs devoted to it.

    The people at J Street don't conceive their project as being against the interests of Israel. They perceive themselves as helping Israel in a less strident, less aggressive way.
  142. @syonredux
    "Rubbish. Her son is a standard issue liberal journalist"

    Well, a standard issue liberal Jewish journalist...

    " with the same attitudes and deficit of reflection that Richard Blow (a.k.a. Richard Bradley) carries around with him. Richard Blow is thoroughly non-ethnic (but a Harvard grad)."

    No one is "non-ethnic" dear fellow. We all come from somewhere.



    "The cruddy little social resentments here are yours, buddy."

    I prefer to think of myself as merely quite attuned to the resentments of others. You see, my mother is of Ashkenazi Jewish descent while my father is of English-Scottish origins. Hence, I have a certain degree of first hand insight into the mindset of a particular variety of Jewish American liberal. Go to a certain kind of Reform Synagogue, and you will see dozens of men and women of Milbank's ilk...

    1. I’m not interested in your personal biography as a source of authority, even if I though it was non-fiction.

    2. She’s a schoolteacher with an MEd from Hofstra. She could conceivably be a corporation executive’s daughter, but that’s not the way to bet.

  143. @D. K.
    "Sending illegals back to Latin America = sending the Jews back to certain death in Nazi Germany."

    According to a report that was issued in 2003-- fifty-eight years after the end of World War II-- there were an estimated 1,092,000 "Shoah survivors" still alive, then, living throughout the world:

    ***

    "For analytic and practical purposes, the definition of who is eligible to the title of Shoah
    survivor is open to widely differing interpretations. In this report we adopt an Intermediate
    Extensive concept. It includes all those Jewish persons who are alive today and who at least
    for a brief period of time were submitted in their locations to a regime of duress and/or
    limitation of their full civil rights in relation to their Jewish background—whether by a Nazi
    foreign occupying power or by a local authority associated with the Nazis' endeavor—or had
    to flee elsewhere in order to avoid falling under the aforementioned situations. Such
    definition incorporates all Jews who actually suffered physical or other kinds of persecution,
    those who escaped from areas in which they were the designated target for persecution, and
    those who suffered any kind of other—even temporary or potential—limitation of personal
    freedom."

    [http://www.icheic.org/pdf/ICHEIC_demography1.pdf]

    ***

    "‘If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one,’ my mother used to exclaim, ‘who did Hitler kill then?’"

    --Dr. Norman Finkelstein, "The Holocaust Industry" (2000), p. 81

    “‘If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one,’ my mother used to exclaim, ‘who did Hitler kill then?’”–Dr. Norman Finkelstein, “The Holocaust Industry” (2000), p. 81

    The other 2/3 of European Jewry. C’mon D.K., this isn’t that difficult.

    You don’t need to be so transparent as to be taken in by Finkelstein’s rhetorical games.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    The holocaust happened 70 years ago. The Nazis had maybe 8 million Jews (including half-Jews and quarter-Jews) under their rule (this already includes those who or whose family members were serving in the Wehrmacht), out of whom they probably killed maybe 5 or 6 million. How on Earth could there have been over a million survivors in 2003? That's well-nigh impossible.
    , @D. K.
    The resident population of the United States, at the end of World War II, was almost 140,000,000. Life expectancy, back then, was 63.6 years for American men, and 67.9 years for American women. What percentage of those nearly 140 millions of Americans from 1945 were still alive in 2003, when the resident population of the United States was approaching 300,000,000?
  144. @syonredux
    "Rubbish. Her son is a standard issue liberal journalist"

    Well, a standard issue liberal Jewish journalist...

    " with the same attitudes and deficit of reflection that Richard Blow (a.k.a. Richard Bradley) carries around with him. Richard Blow is thoroughly non-ethnic (but a Harvard grad)."

    No one is "non-ethnic" dear fellow. We all come from somewhere.



    "The cruddy little social resentments here are yours, buddy."

    I prefer to think of myself as merely quite attuned to the resentments of others. You see, my mother is of Ashkenazi Jewish descent while my father is of English-Scottish origins. Hence, I have a certain degree of first hand insight into the mindset of a particular variety of Jewish American liberal. Go to a certain kind of Reform Synagogue, and you will see dozens of men and women of Milbank's ilk...

    Well, a standard issue liberal Jewish journalist…

    Um, no. The only ethnic distinctions in portside opinion journalism concern the color bar and matters of emphasis.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "Um, no. The only ethnic distinctions in portside opinion journalism concern the color bar and matters of emphasis."

    MMM, given Milbank's strong interest in Jewish issues, that does not seem to be true.


    "1. I’m not interested in your personal biography as a source of authority,"

    It hardly counts as a source of authority, dear fellow; it merely grants me certain insights. Mixed marriages, for example, tend to be covert culture wars. Which parent's traditions and identity will the children adopt? In Milbank's case (again, assuming that his father was a Gentile), his mother was triumphant.


    "even if I though it was non-fiction."

    Dear fellow, why would I lie about my mother's Jewish parentage? Doing so would certainly win me no friends on Steve's blog, which is positively overrun with Kevin MacDonald worshipers.

    "2. She’s a schoolteacher with an MEd from Hofstra. She could conceivably be a corporation executive’s daughter, but that’s not the way to bet."

    Dear fellow, mid-level accountants belong to country clubs. Schoolteachers belong to country clubs. Police officers belong to country clubs, etc.
  145. @Jefferson
    "But for the country, the disassociation of whiteness and American-ness is to be celebrated. Indeed, it is the key to our survival."

    How is becoming a Nonwhite country the key to America's survival ? Has this lib tard looked at the human development index of the vast majority of Nonwhite countries in the world ? It's not pretty.

    In a lot of Nonwhite countries, the majority of the population do not even have in door plumbing.

    Don’t try to parse meaning from chinese boxes, its all just squiggles.

  146. For some reason you left out Dana Milbank, the Jewish person engaging in anti-white bigotry who is being discussed on this thread.

    You cannot even get your categories straight. There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything, much less that he is a poisonous history warrior like Robert Wistrich. Get it through your head. Milbank is an East Coast urban liberal bourgeois. That’s his tribe, and Richard Blow/Bradley’s as well. He’s indubitably a bigot, and quite an unselfconscious one, but his objects of derision are not ‘white people’. He doesn’t despise his wife. He despises Sarah Palin.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything
     
    Well, I don't know anything about him, but in this thread some evidence have already been disseminated. Like this or this.

    "Milbank is the author of Tears of a Clown: Glenn Beck and the Tea Bagging of America, which alleges that Beck’s theories are rooted in conspiratorial anti-Semitism."

    Sounds like Milbank is a bit more indignant when Jews are attacked than is usual for gentiles, and might even be paranoid about it. In my experience gentiles, even philo-Semitic gentiles rarely have that kind of paranoia. They usually go along when Jews are complaining, but they don't bring up such issues themselves, much less write books about such topics.
    , @syonredux
    "You cannot even get your categories straight. There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything,"

    Well, that's simply untrue. Even a quick google search will reveal that Milbank seems quite concerned with Jewish issues and that he writes from a liberal Jewish perspective.


    " much less that he is a poisonous history warrior like Robert Wistrich. Get it through your head. Milbank is an East Coast urban liberal bourgeois. That’s his tribe, and Richard Blow/Bradley’s as well. He’s indubitably a bigot, and quite an unselfconscious one, but his objects of derision are not ‘white people’. He doesn’t despise his wife."

    This is quite true. Milbank, I'm quite sure, does not hate White Gentiles. He has, as you pointed out, married one. On the other hand, he does display a strong animus against the traditional WASP elites, and he also displays a certain amount of paranoia about what the White Gentiles might do to his people.



    " He despises Sarah Palin."

    Without a doubt. Of course, I loathe her as well.
    , @Joe Walker
    How do you know that he doesn't despise his wife?
    , @Joe Walker
    Does he despise Al Sharpton as much as he despises Sarah Palin? Why does he despise Palin? For being stupid? She can't help how intelligent she is so why despise her for it?
  147. @syonredux
    "He’s a Democratic operative writing an article about a Republican politician, and what he says still doesn’t jive with your gloss."

    It's all about reading between the lines, dear fellow: "How dare this son of a Jewish mother not fully and completely embrace her heritage," etc.

    "Obsessions make you stupid."

    Although he is clearly obsessed, I would never call Milbank stupid.....

    It’s all about reading between the lines, dear fellow: “How dare this son of a Jewish mother not fully and completely embrace her heritage,” etc.

    You’re not reading between the lines. You’re reading the scum in your own navel.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "You’re not reading between the lines. You’re reading the scum in your own navel."

    Dear fellow, I'm sorry to say that you seem to have absolutely no understanding of human psychology whatsoever.
  148. @Art Deco
    That J Street and the newest generation of american jews and part-jews are more liberal on Israeli issues than previous generations doesn’t say much about whether or not they identify as Jewish.

    Oh yes it does. Here you have a bunch of people with gentile parents, commonly with little or nothing in the way of religious affiliation, running a lobby which works against the interests of Israel and chronically misconceives Israel's political dilemmas in ways you'd expect of liberal squisheads from the BosWash corridor.

    The vast majority of kids with gentile parents in the US don’t even think about Israel, let alone start lobbying orgs devoted to it.

    The people at J Street don’t conceive their project as being against the interests of Israel. They perceive themselves as helping Israel in a less strident, less aggressive way.

  149. @vinteuil
    anon at 5:00a.m.: you made my day. Too funny, too true.

    Yes, I agree with you, anon at 5:00a.m.: ‘s post was definitely very funny.

    I hope he or she will provide us with some more Chinese wisdom in the future.

  150. @Art Deco
    “‘If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one,’ my mother used to exclaim, ‘who did Hitler kill then?’”–Dr. Norman Finkelstein, “The Holocaust Industry” (2000), p. 81

    The other 2/3 of European Jewry. C'mon D.K., this isn't that difficult.

    You don't need to be so transparent as to be taken in by Finkelstein's rhetorical games.

    The holocaust happened 70 years ago. The Nazis had maybe 8 million Jews (including half-Jews and quarter-Jews) under their rule (this already includes those who or whose family members were serving in the Wehrmacht), out of whom they probably killed maybe 5 or 6 million. How on Earth could there have been over a million survivors in 2003? That’s well-nigh impossible.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Is this held up in spam filter?
  151. @Art Deco
    For some reason you left out Dana Milbank, the Jewish person engaging in anti-white bigotry who is being discussed on this thread.

    --

    You cannot even get your categories straight. There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything, much less that he is a poisonous history warrior like Robert Wistrich. Get it through your head. Milbank is an East Coast urban liberal bourgeois. That's his tribe, and Richard Blow/Bradley's as well. He's indubitably a bigot, and quite an unselfconscious one, but his objects of derision are not 'white people'. He doesn't despise his wife. He despises Sarah Palin.

    There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything

    Well, I don’t know anything about him, but in this thread some evidence have already been disseminated. Like this or this.

    “Milbank is the author of Tears of a Clown: Glenn Beck and the Tea Bagging of America, which alleges that Beck’s theories are rooted in conspiratorial anti-Semitism.”

    Sounds like Milbank is a bit more indignant when Jews are attacked than is usual for gentiles, and might even be paranoid about it. In my experience gentiles, even philo-Semitic gentiles rarely have that kind of paranoia. They usually go along when Jews are complaining, but they don’t bring up such issues themselves, much less write books about such topics.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Sounds like Milbank is a bit more indignant when Jews are attacked than is usual for gentiles, and might even be paranoid about it

    Sounds like Milbank is aping Michael Lind, who pushed the same silly thesis re Pat Robertson 20 years ago. Lind's from the Texas hill country.
  152. None of my ancestors would have been allowed into the WASP country clubs back in the days, since they were from Sicilia and Calabria.

    But I do not personally hold a grudge against the entire WASP demographic.

    Did any of your ancestors try to get a seat in a WASP country club?

    It makes a difference if someone tries and fails (or is rejected in a humiliating manner), than if someone never tries at all. I am not saying that Jews in the 1920s were right or wrong. Many of them did try to fit in as best they could, and saw country club rejection as a blow to their attempt at assimilation.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Many of them did try to fit in as best they could, and saw country club rejection as a blow to their attempt at assimilation.

    They formed their own country clubs and professional associations. The Irondequoit Country Club outside of Rochester would be an example of the former, the New York County Lawyers' Association the latter.
  153. “You cannot even get your categories straight. There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything, much less that he is a poisonous history warrior like Robert Wistrich. Get it through your head. Milbank is an East Coast urban liberal bourgeois. That’s his tribe, and Richard Blow/Bradley’s as well. He’s indubitably a bigot, and quite an unselfconscious one, but his objects of derision are not ‘white people’. He doesn’t despise his wife. He despises Sarah Palin.”

    Yeah Dana Milbank has no hatred towards the Shiksahs and Gentiles who have Barack Hussein Obama bumper stickers in their car.

    He has no hatred towards the Gentiles and Shiksahs at Occupy Wall Street. He would feel culturally right at home in a extremely liberal blue Shiksah and Gentile state like Vermont where almost everybody hates the fact that they were born White.

    I agree with you that left wingers/communists regardless of their religion, ethnicity, or race are his tribe. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are his tribe. Chris Matthews is his tribe. Michael Moore is his tribe. Elizabeth Warren is his tribe. The late Ted Kennedy was his tribe.

    He just feels comfortable around people who share the same political ideology as himself. I doubt he would feel comfortable in the presence of a right wing Jew like Matt Drudge.

  154. @reiner Tor
    The holocaust happened 70 years ago. The Nazis had maybe 8 million Jews (including half-Jews and quarter-Jews) under their rule (this already includes those who or whose family members were serving in the Wehrmacht), out of whom they probably killed maybe 5 or 6 million. How on Earth could there have been over a million survivors in 2003? That's well-nigh impossible.

    Is this held up in spam filter?

  155. @Art Deco
    It’s all about reading between the lines, dear fellow: “How dare this son of a Jewish mother not fully and completely embrace her heritage,” etc.

    You're not reading between the lines. You're reading the scum in your own navel.

    “You’re not reading between the lines. You’re reading the scum in your own navel.”

    Dear fellow, I’m sorry to say that you seem to have absolutely no understanding of human psychology whatsoever.

  156. @Art Deco
    For some reason you left out Dana Milbank, the Jewish person engaging in anti-white bigotry who is being discussed on this thread.

    --

    You cannot even get your categories straight. There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything, much less that he is a poisonous history warrior like Robert Wistrich. Get it through your head. Milbank is an East Coast urban liberal bourgeois. That's his tribe, and Richard Blow/Bradley's as well. He's indubitably a bigot, and quite an unselfconscious one, but his objects of derision are not 'white people'. He doesn't despise his wife. He despises Sarah Palin.

    “You cannot even get your categories straight. There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything,”

    Well, that’s simply untrue. Even a quick google search will reveal that Milbank seems quite concerned with Jewish issues and that he writes from a liberal Jewish perspective.

    ” much less that he is a poisonous history warrior like Robert Wistrich. Get it through your head. Milbank is an East Coast urban liberal bourgeois. That’s his tribe, and Richard Blow/Bradley’s as well. He’s indubitably a bigot, and quite an unselfconscious one, but his objects of derision are not ‘white people’. He doesn’t despise his wife.”

    This is quite true. Milbank, I’m quite sure, does not hate White Gentiles. He has, as you pointed out, married one. On the other hand, he does display a strong animus against the traditional WASP elites, and he also displays a certain amount of paranoia about what the White Gentiles might do to his people.

    ” He despises Sarah Palin.”

    Without a doubt. Of course, I loathe her as well.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    In my experience, Jews who marry white gentile women tend to be hostile towards white gentile men in much the same way that blacks who marry white women are often hostile towards white men. They marry the woman for the purposes of sticking it to the men of her racial/ethnic group.
  157. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve said: Amalek the Eternal Enemy

    I said: Don’t go overboard, he’s married to a shiksa.

    Svigor said: Slave owners humped their slaves. Bravery of love?

    A half Jew marrying his (French?) Catholic Yale classmate is literally the same as a Slave owner humping his slaves!! I feel for the oppression of your race, Svigor.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Gentiles who marry Jews are generally not that supportive of their own ethnic groups. In my experience, they tend to be wannabees who wish that they had been born Jewish.
  158. Jews are often intelligent, but are rarely sensible.

    One of the stereotypes of Jews is that they’re good businessmen, and like other stereotypes that are not concoctions of the mass indoctrination media it has plenty of truth to it. Part of being a good businessman is being sensible, I think.

    This confuses white gentiles among whom intelligence and “sense” are considered to be closely linked, and which are closely linked in their own population.

    I don’t think this is true at all. When your IQ is 4+ standard deviations above the White mean, one of the things you hear constantly from the average White kids in elementary school is, “You may be book smart, but I have more sense than you.”

  159. @Art Deco
    Well, a standard issue liberal Jewish journalist…

    Um, no. The only ethnic distinctions in portside opinion journalism concern the color bar and matters of emphasis.

    “Um, no. The only ethnic distinctions in portside opinion journalism concern the color bar and matters of emphasis.”

    MMM, given Milbank’s strong interest in Jewish issues, that does not seem to be true.

    “1. I’m not interested in your personal biography as a source of authority,”

    It hardly counts as a source of authority, dear fellow; it merely grants me certain insights. Mixed marriages, for example, tend to be covert culture wars. Which parent’s traditions and identity will the children adopt? In Milbank’s case (again, assuming that his father was a Gentile), his mother was triumphant.

    “even if I though it was non-fiction.”

    Dear fellow, why would I lie about my mother’s Jewish parentage? Doing so would certainly win me no friends on Steve’s blog, which is positively overrun with Kevin MacDonald worshipers.

    “2. She’s a schoolteacher with an MEd from Hofstra. She could conceivably be a corporation executive’s daughter, but that’s not the way to bet.”

    Dear fellow, mid-level accountants belong to country clubs. Schoolteachers belong to country clubs. Police officers belong to country clubs, etc.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Dear fellow, mid-level accountants belong to country clubs. Schoolteachers belong to country clubs. Police officers belong to country clubs, etc.

    Accountants, perhaps, depending on their situation. As for the others, not unless they're exceptionally well compensated and well-connected police officers and school teachers. The old-in-town-cum-sports club in my old neighborhood had a special dispensation for clergymen, so they could afford the initiation fees and the dues. They had on the rolls the rector of the flagship Anglican parish and his senior curate (and that was about it).
  160. Wow, not to puff your ego even more but he is so beneath your league. What next, a takedown of Roland Martin? If the Amazon Prime complimentary media conglomerate still employs someone to mash words together about the “table talk” in D.C. that week, it doesn’t mean he’s the second coming of Samuel Pepys, and doesn’t mean anyone will care in 72 hours — and on the off-chance you aren’t making a purposeful effort to look like an obsessive vendetta complainer about every Jew in the world who’s bugging you, it’s OK to skip over small-fry cases like Milbank.

  161. @Svigor
    So you fancy his father had no influence worth mentioning on his view of politics and religion?

    Sure. His father's influence is what his mother's influence steamrolls in pursuit of Jewish interests. Did you read the piece?

    “Entine laid out the data. The average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is 107 to 115, well above the human average of 100.”

    That's diaspora Ashkenazis. In Israel the mean is 104, dropping the worldwide average substantially (to about 107-108).

    “Sending illegals back to Latin America = sending the Jews back to certain death in Nazi Germany.”

    This really bugs me. Since some hundreds of Jews in the 1930s were denied to immigrate to America, the Jews have judged us White Americans to be unworthy to have a country to ourselves.


    What's really interesting is how much like the Nazis the Jews sound when they're talking about Palestinians. Short version: Palestinians saying mean things about Jews and firing rockets at them that kill no one justifies Jews slaughtering Palestinians by the thousand. They're basically retroactively justifying their German holocaust.

    Don’t go overboard, he’s married to a shiksa.

    Slave owners humped their slaves. Bravery of love?

    I have even met people who are a quarter Jewish and seventy five percent Gentile, who still strongly self identify as Jewish.

    The lure of esprit de corps is powerful.

    Milbank is a Bonesman. He probably has some Mayflower in him.

    I guess that's where the genteel part of his genteel race-hatred of whites comes from.

    lol at the casual anti-Semitism. All the open borders elite WASPs also upset about their great-grandfather and the country club?

    My anti-semitism is more the professional variety.

    He’d straight up reply “Oh, no, no. Can’t you tell?”

    No, he'd probably assume the pose of the "meritocratic" "altruist." Now, if his "whiteness" was going to cost him something...

    Presumably Dana Milbank isn’t trying to provide more evidence for K-Mac’s theories.

    Yes, it's textbook KMac. Pursue your tribal interests by convincing your enemy you're pursuing his interests, or "universal" interests.

    Milbank is the author of Tears of a Clown: Glenn Beck and the Tea Bagging of America, which alleges that Beck’s theories are rooted in conspiratorial anti-Semitism.”

    Yeah, definitely not Jewish first, that one.

    Her son is a standard issue liberal journalist with the same attitudes and deficit of reflection that Richard Blow (a.k.a. Richard Bradley) carries around with him.

    Sure, that's why he wrote a book characterizing Glenn Beck as Goebbels.

    Don’t go overboard, he’s married to a shiksa.

    Svigor:”Slave owners humped their slaves. Bravery of love?”

    Dear boy, this is quite possibly the most absurd comparison that I have ever read.

  162. @reiner Tor

    There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything
     
    Well, I don't know anything about him, but in this thread some evidence have already been disseminated. Like this or this.

    "Milbank is the author of Tears of a Clown: Glenn Beck and the Tea Bagging of America, which alleges that Beck’s theories are rooted in conspiratorial anti-Semitism."

    Sounds like Milbank is a bit more indignant when Jews are attacked than is usual for gentiles, and might even be paranoid about it. In my experience gentiles, even philo-Semitic gentiles rarely have that kind of paranoia. They usually go along when Jews are complaining, but they don't bring up such issues themselves, much less write books about such topics.

    Sounds like Milbank is a bit more indignant when Jews are attacked than is usual for gentiles, and might even be paranoid about it

    Sounds like Milbank is aping Michael Lind, who pushed the same silly thesis re Pat Robertson 20 years ago. Lind’s from the Texas hill country.

  163. @Dr. Evil
    None of my ancestors would have been allowed into the WASP country clubs back in the days, since they were from Sicilia and Calabria.

    But I do not personally hold a grudge against the entire WASP demographic.


    Did any of your ancestors try to get a seat in a WASP country club?

    It makes a difference if someone tries and fails (or is rejected in a humiliating manner), than if someone never tries at all. I am not saying that Jews in the 1920s were right or wrong. Many of them did try to fit in as best they could, and saw country club rejection as a blow to their attempt at assimilation.

    Many of them did try to fit in as best they could, and saw country club rejection as a blow to their attempt at assimilation.

    They formed their own country clubs and professional associations. The Irondequoit Country Club outside of Rochester would be an example of the former, the New York County Lawyers’ Association the latter.

  164. Without a doubt. Of course, I loathe her as well.

    A sentiment that appears to come quite readily to you.

  165. @syonredux
    "Um, no. The only ethnic distinctions in portside opinion journalism concern the color bar and matters of emphasis."

    MMM, given Milbank's strong interest in Jewish issues, that does not seem to be true.


    "1. I’m not interested in your personal biography as a source of authority,"

    It hardly counts as a source of authority, dear fellow; it merely grants me certain insights. Mixed marriages, for example, tend to be covert culture wars. Which parent's traditions and identity will the children adopt? In Milbank's case (again, assuming that his father was a Gentile), his mother was triumphant.


    "even if I though it was non-fiction."

    Dear fellow, why would I lie about my mother's Jewish parentage? Doing so would certainly win me no friends on Steve's blog, which is positively overrun with Kevin MacDonald worshipers.

    "2. She’s a schoolteacher with an MEd from Hofstra. She could conceivably be a corporation executive’s daughter, but that’s not the way to bet."

    Dear fellow, mid-level accountants belong to country clubs. Schoolteachers belong to country clubs. Police officers belong to country clubs, etc.

    Dear fellow, mid-level accountants belong to country clubs. Schoolteachers belong to country clubs. Police officers belong to country clubs, etc.

    Accountants, perhaps, depending on their situation. As for the others, not unless they’re exceptionally well compensated and well-connected police officers and school teachers. The old-in-town-cum-sports club in my old neighborhood had a special dispensation for clergymen, so they could afford the initiation fees and the dues. They had on the rolls the rector of the flagship Anglican parish and his senior curate (and that was about it).

  166. Dear fellow, why would I lie about my mother’s Jewish parentage?

    Because you’re in the middle of an argument pushing a swiss-cheese thesis.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "Because you’re in the middle of an argument pushing a swiss-cheese thesis."


    MMM, the notion that Milbank has a certain level of anti-WASP animus seems pretty solid, dear boy.
  167. I’m half Jewish on dad’s side. Maybe it’s because I’m younger but I’d rather team up with pro isreal conservatives than liberals who want to make us more and more third world.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Why do they have to be pro-Israel? Isn't it more important that they be pro-American?
  168. When your IQ is 4+ standard deviations above the White mean, one of the things you hear constantly from the average White kids in elementary school is, “You may be book smart, but I have more sense than you.”

    There is no such person in an elementary school of ordinary dimensions. In an urban high school, you might find one or two.

  169. Dear fellow, I’m sorry to say that you seem to have absolutely no understanding of human psychology whatsoever.

    Well, Syon, we often don’t see ourselves as others do.

  170. I suppose that Mr. Milbank comes by his worldview pretty honestly.

    Published: October 26, 1997

    SCHULMAN-Howard. A labor lawyer who served two terms as Commissioner of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and who was a past chairman of the American Bar Association’s Labor Law Section, died Thursday in Sharon, CT. He was 79. Mr. Schulman, born in Brooklyn, lived in Millbrook, NY, and Boca Raton, FL. He was chief counsel to various trade unions, including the Seafarers International Union from the 1950′s to the 1980′s, and to the AFL-CIO’s Maritime Trades Department. He founded the New York law firm Schulman & Abarbanel and argued three labor-related cases before the U.S. Supreme Court. He is survived by his wife Paula Schulman, three daughters Ann Milbank of Merrick, NY, Judith Lederer of New York, NY, and Janet Dicker, of Livingston, NJ, two sons-in-law Jeffrey Lederer and Marshall Dicker, and six grandchildren Dana Milbank, Aaron Milbank, Megan Milbank, Cecilia Lederer, Joshua Lederer, and Claire Dicker. Funeral services are at noon today at Gutterman’s Funeral Home in Rockville Centre, NY, with burial to follow at New Montefiore Cemetery.

  171. ben tillman – When your IQ is 4+ standard deviations above the White mean, one of the things you hear constantly from the average White kids in elementary school is, “You may be book smart, but I have more sense than you.”

    The parallels between the anti-semites and the philo-semites are uncanny. Both have a preposterously exaggerated belief in Jewish intelligence, for instance. The number of Jews with an IQ 4+SD above the white mean is miniscule.

  172. @Art Deco
    Well, based on this article, it would seem that Milbank has little regard for people with Jewish mothers who do not view themselves as Jews….

    He's a Democratic operative writing an article about a Republican politician, and what he says still doesn't jive with your gloss.

    Obsessions make you stupid.

    You said: “He’s a Democratic operative writing an article about a Republican politician, and what he says still doesn’t jive with your gloss.

    “Obsessions make you stupid.”

    How true. The word you’re looking for is “jibe,” not “jive.”

  173. @Art Deco
    “‘If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one,’ my mother used to exclaim, ‘who did Hitler kill then?’”–Dr. Norman Finkelstein, “The Holocaust Industry” (2000), p. 81

    The other 2/3 of European Jewry. C'mon D.K., this isn't that difficult.

    You don't need to be so transparent as to be taken in by Finkelstein's rhetorical games.

    The resident population of the United States, at the end of World War II, was almost 140,000,000. Life expectancy, back then, was 63.6 years for American men, and 67.9 years for American women. What percentage of those nearly 140 millions of Americans from 1945 were still alive in 2003, when the resident population of the United States was approaching 300,000,000?

    • Replies: @D. K.
    By the way, the median age in the United States in 1940 was 29.0-- up from 26.5 in 1930! In 1950, already into the fifth year of the post-war Baby Boom, it was up to 30.2-- meaning that, in 1945, it must have been at least moderately higher still. After the 1950 census, it did not reach 30.0 again until the 1980 census. So, the median age in the United States, at the end of World War II, was probably as high as it would be, thereafter, until fairly close to 1990, when it jumped to 32.9.

    [www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t9/tab07.txt]
  174. @Art Deco
    Well, based on this article, it would seem that Milbank has little regard for people with Jewish mothers who do not view themselves as Jews….

    He's a Democratic operative writing an article about a Republican politician, and what he says still doesn't jive with your gloss.

    Obsessions make you stupid.

    You said: “He’s a Democratic operative writing an article about a Republican politician, and what he says still doesn’t jive with your gloss.

    “Obsessions make you stupid.”

    Yeah: for example, you mean to say “jibe,” not “jive.”

  175. Art Deco -There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything

    Dear God man, you’re losing your mind! This thread is full of links to numerous different articles in which Milbank places his “caring about Jew things” on display for the whole world to see. Here’s some of them -

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091801014.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/29/AR2007102902094.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-glenn-beck-lost-it/2011/04/06/AFNEgnqC_story.html

  176. @Whiskey
    No Steve, this is not a Jewish/Italian/Irish ethnic thing.

    This is a RELIGION. People need to believe in something. They can't operate without a religion. Christianity was abandoned because it was old-fashioned and had limits on (particularly) female sexual freedom and expression. So, a Post-Christian religion was adopted ORGANICALLY, like fish schooling or birds flocking. It involves WORSHIP of Non-Whites particularly Blacks and Hispanics, and demonization of White guys, who are described as:

    *Angry.
    *Old.
    *Tired.

    In other words, unsexy. Like nearly all religions in the West, this is one is of course dominated by women and though they don't run it (any more than they ran Christianity) they make up the vast majority of believers, lay people, and evangelists. Women in particular need things to believe, they have much higher religiosity, and higher sense of dutifulness.

    What went wrong in American society was the condom, the pill, rising female incomes, independence, and the welfare state making White beta male provision basically worthless. In the meantime, extra security allowed women to pursue hypergamy, the need and desire for male sexiness above all things. Since Western society was built on the nuclear family and women trading off, freely and without (much) coercion the desire for transient sexiness in favor of nuclear family stability, this was a disaster.

    Basically Milbank is echoing nearly every comment I've read in the Financial Times, Wall Street Journal, NYT, LAT, and every other boho media outlet: that White guys are tired, obsolete, and icky and the fabulous new era of magical Black guys like Morgan Freeman inventing the future will be just like the movies! Only better!

    This is a religious belief. It is not logical, because IT MUST BE TAKEN ON FAITH.

    Religious Doctrine is never logical. It is an article of faith. You might as well argue with Scientologists that Xenu is not real, or Mormons that Joseph Smith really did not have conversations with Angels.

    You argue with Faith by FORCE. Mocking the religious pretensions, shoving the faithful out of the public square (hence Liberals HATE HATE HATE of Traditional Christianity and its symbols showing up in Easter and Christmas -- as newer religious traditions such as the Magical Black redeemer seek to erase the old). Liberals shoved Christianity out of the public square, it is time to shove THEM out of the public square. Mocking their idiot worship of movie characters who don't exist, or their devotion to Barack Obama, and so on.

    This is not a battle of logic. Nor is it revenge for grandpa not getting into the country club -- Liberals could CARE LESS ABOUT THEIR OWN PARENTS much less their grandparents. This is a religious struggle (dominated by the way by women who make up the bulk of believers) and can only be won by mocking the believers as losers, low status, easily conned, gullible, the equivalent to Jimmy Swaggart's believers who ponied up money to con men.

    The key is pointing out that their True Beliefs when put into practice fail, and the demonized White guys create all the modern technology. [Widespread fraud and lack of rewards among higher IQ NE Asians lead them to be mere copiers for the most part of technology and unwilling to exploit those breakthroughs they do originate.]

    Who said anything about the Irish or the Italians? This is a Jewish guy who wants to stick it to the goyim. The funny thing is that the Jewish guys who preach for greater diversity in the United States are often the same ones who say that Israel must remain a Jewish state by any means necessary.

  177. @Art Deco
    Not that I care but then again neither do our Jewish liberal Democrat moral overlords.
    --
    Milbank's an English name, the chump grew up on Long Island, went to Yale, and was even tapped for one of their lousy secret societies. The man's a supercilious piece of work, but its hardly fair to stick the Jews with the bill for that.

    Jews often take gentile names. Also, the fact that he grew up on Long Island makes it much more likely that he is Jewish rather than a WASP. And you may be surprised to hear this but there are Jewish students at Yale.

  178. @josh
    Milbank is a Bonesman. He probably has some Mayflower in him.

    Maybe, but he also has Jewish ancestry which is the important issue.

  179. @Marty T
    I'm half Jewish on dad's side. Maybe it's because I'm younger but I'd rather team up with pro isreal conservatives than liberals who want to make us more and more third world.

    Why do they have to be pro-Israel? Isn’t it more important that they be pro-American?

  180. @Anonymous
    Steve said: Amalek the Eternal Enemy

    I said: Don’t go overboard, he’s married to a shiksa.

    Svigor said: Slave owners humped their slaves. Bravery of love?


    A half Jew marrying his (French?) Catholic Yale classmate is literally the same as a Slave owner humping his slaves!! I feel for the oppression of your race, Svigor.

    Gentiles who marry Jews are generally not that supportive of their own ethnic groups. In my experience, they tend to be wannabees who wish that they had been born Jewish.

  181. @syonredux
    "You cannot even get your categories straight. There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything,"

    Well, that's simply untrue. Even a quick google search will reveal that Milbank seems quite concerned with Jewish issues and that he writes from a liberal Jewish perspective.


    " much less that he is a poisonous history warrior like Robert Wistrich. Get it through your head. Milbank is an East Coast urban liberal bourgeois. That’s his tribe, and Richard Blow/Bradley’s as well. He’s indubitably a bigot, and quite an unselfconscious one, but his objects of derision are not ‘white people’. He doesn’t despise his wife."

    This is quite true. Milbank, I'm quite sure, does not hate White Gentiles. He has, as you pointed out, married one. On the other hand, he does display a strong animus against the traditional WASP elites, and he also displays a certain amount of paranoia about what the White Gentiles might do to his people.



    " He despises Sarah Palin."

    Without a doubt. Of course, I loathe her as well.

    In my experience, Jews who marry white gentile women tend to be hostile towards white gentile men in much the same way that blacks who marry white women are often hostile towards white men. They marry the woman for the purposes of sticking it to the men of her racial/ethnic group.

  182. @Art Deco
    For some reason you left out Dana Milbank, the Jewish person engaging in anti-white bigotry who is being discussed on this thread.

    --

    You cannot even get your categories straight. There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything, much less that he is a poisonous history warrior like Robert Wistrich. Get it through your head. Milbank is an East Coast urban liberal bourgeois. That's his tribe, and Richard Blow/Bradley's as well. He's indubitably a bigot, and quite an unselfconscious one, but his objects of derision are not 'white people'. He doesn't despise his wife. He despises Sarah Palin.

    How do you know that he doesn’t despise his wife?

  183. @Art Deco
    For some reason you left out Dana Milbank, the Jewish person engaging in anti-white bigotry who is being discussed on this thread.

    --

    You cannot even get your categories straight. There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything, much less that he is a poisonous history warrior like Robert Wistrich. Get it through your head. Milbank is an East Coast urban liberal bourgeois. That's his tribe, and Richard Blow/Bradley's as well. He's indubitably a bigot, and quite an unselfconscious one, but his objects of derision are not 'white people'. He doesn't despise his wife. He despises Sarah Palin.

    Does he despise Al Sharpton as much as he despises Sarah Palin? Why does he despise Palin? For being stupid? She can’t help how intelligent she is so why despise her for it?

  184. @D. K.
    The resident population of the United States, at the end of World War II, was almost 140,000,000. Life expectancy, back then, was 63.6 years for American men, and 67.9 years for American women. What percentage of those nearly 140 millions of Americans from 1945 were still alive in 2003, when the resident population of the United States was approaching 300,000,000?

    By the way, the median age in the United States in 1940 was 29.0– up from 26.5 in 1930! In 1950, already into the fifth year of the post-war Baby Boom, it was up to 30.2– meaning that, in 1945, it must have been at least moderately higher still. After the 1950 census, it did not reach 30.0 again until the 1980 census. So, the median age in the United States, at the end of World War II, was probably as high as it would be, thereafter, until fairly close to 1990, when it jumped to 32.9.

    [www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t9/tab07.txt]

  185. Putting aside the fact that a glance at Milibank’s face will tell you he’s Jewish, he’s got “bank” right in his name! Just kidding. It’s not like his name is Diamond, Gold, Silver or Ruby is it?

  186. “Jefferson says

    None of my ancestors would have been allowed into the WASP country clubs back in the days, since they were from Sicilia and Calabria.

    But I do not personally hold a grudge against the entire WASP demographic.”

    None of my ancestors over the last three generations would have been let into WASP country clubs, and most of them were WASPs.

  187. “jack says

    I’m half Jewish on dad’s side. Maybe it’s because I’m younger but I’d rather team up with pro isreal conservatives than liberals who want to make us more and more third world.”

    The two sets “pro-Israel conservatives” and “liberals who want to make us more and more third world” overlap to a large degree. There is nothing significantly “conservative” about John McCain, Bill O’Reilly, or their ilk.

  188. @Anonymous
    "Amalek the Eternal Enemy"

    Don't go overboard, he's married to a shiksa.

    Don’t go overboard, he’s married to a shiksa.

    Nobody seems to care about white-hating black men marrying white girls, so let’s find another example. Has anybody heard of Wilhelm Marr? Either he was no anti-Semite, or else it must be possible for someone marrying a member of a group and still hate the group as a group. Repeat: as a group. So I can marry a Jew and still hate Jews as a group, like Wilhelm Marr. Or marry a white gentile, and still hate white gentiles as a group. (Interesting to mention that the only child of Marr was also from one of his Jewish wives, a Mischling erster Grad.)

    It’s a similar dynamic like the “some of my best friends are Jews, but…” or “I have a lot of X Ethnic Group friends, but…” line. there is also the “the majority of Jews are honest, but…” line. Can people saying these (and assuming they are saying the truth – i.e. that they really have Jewish friends) still be anti-Semites? Why of course. On the personal level you might exempt all of the individual examples you personally know from your hatred, and nevertheless still hate the group as such.

    • Replies: @Southfarthing
    When a few people marry another group, it's an isolated event.

    When 71% of an ethnic group of Whites intermarry, it means they are no longer a distinct ethnic group and didn't think of themselves that way in the first place.

    The minority of Jews who are ethnocentric or clueless leftists have no bearing on mainstream Jews like Carl Sagan, Jake Gyllenhaal, and Jennifer Connelly.

  189. I have a comment marked as spam, according to unz.com. I don’t think it is, and cannot find the reasons why anybody would think it is.

  190. You cannot even get your categories straight. There is no indication that Milbank cares much one way or another about Jew anything, much less that he is a poisonous history warrior like Robert Wistrich. Get it through your head. Milbank is an East Coast urban liberal bourgeois. That’s his tribe, and Richard Blow/Bradley’s as well. He’s indubitably a bigot, and quite an unselfconscious one, but his objects of derision are not ‘white people’.

    Of course not – just the white field negroes who oppose his ethnic interests.

    We’ve been over this. American Jewry is Israel’s BFF. If they were genuine white liberals, they’d be doing a lot to dismantle Israel as a Jewish state. Instead, they do a lot to support her. Real white liberals would not be able to countenance this, but Jewish liberals do it without any real dissonance.

    The difference between Jews and liberal whites is “who-whom?”

    He doesn’t despise his wife. He despises Sarah Palin.

    Of course. Sarah Palin isn’t a good house negro, like his wife. But if he was a real white liberal, he’d despise himself.

    If Milbank didn’t take Jewish ethnic interests to heart, he’d never have written a book characterizing Glenn Beck as Goebbels. He wouldn’t have written this piece. He’d be much more likely to have written a piece condemning Israel for shelling civilians in Gaza instead.

    If we remove the Jewish writers from consideration, it becomes much more difficult to find “whites” writing stuff like Milbank’s piece. On the other hand, sites like Steve’s blog would hardly miss a beat (we would be faced with a sudden dearth of ethnically-motivated Jewish and Israeli apologia, though).

    Sounds like Milbank is a bit more indignant when Jews are attacked than is usual for gentiles

    Then there’s the fact that Jews can sit there with a straight face and try to dismantle any social phenomenon that might resemble, or ever lead to a semblance of, white heathens (“gentiles”) having for themselves anywhere on the planet what Jews already have established for themselves in Israel. While simultaneously being Israeli Jewry’s BFFs.

    All but a vanishingly small number of whites can’t do shit like that. They don’t have the wiring.

    A half Jew marrying his (French?) Catholic Yale classmate is literally the same as a Slave owner humping his slaves!! I feel for the oppression of your race, Svigor.

    Spergs have trouble with analogies and such?

    If Milbank’s (or Barry Bonds’) choice of partners gets him off the hook for animus, why wouldn’t slave owners’?

    Wow, not to puff your ego even more but he is so beneath your league. What next, a takedown of Roland Martin? If the Amazon Prime complimentary media conglomerate still employs someone to mash words together about the “table talk” in D.C. that week, it doesn’t mean he’s the second coming of Samuel Pepys, and doesn’t mean anyone will care in 72 hours — and on the off-chance you aren’t making a purposeful effort to look like an obsessive vendetta complainer about every Jew in the world who’s bugging you, it’s OK to skip over small-fry cases like Milbank.

    If a heathen (“gentile”) had penned a piece similar to Milbank’s in its place, but instead made the subject Jews and Israel instead of whites and America, Jewry’s entire intellectual class would be up in arms.

    So, Steve’s in good company, right?

  191. “ben tillman – When your IQ is 4+ standard deviations above the White mean, one of the things you hear constantly from the average White kids in elementary school is, “You may be book smart, but I have more sense than you.”

    The parallels between the anti-semites and the philo-semites are uncanny. Both have a preposterously exaggerated belief in Jewish intelligence, for instance. The number of Jews with an IQ 4+SD above the white mean is miniscule

    While you may be right about the parallels (though I find your example inaccurate – I find Jewish psychological characteristics other than IQ to be the active ingredients), you (obviously) seem to have missed Ben’s point. (I guess we can all thank Anti-Gnostic for his successful attempts to associate this kind of difficulty with “‘sperg!” in my mind) Ben was simply making a point about the misapprehensions people tend to have about people across gulfs in IQ. But yes, the gulf between the white mean and the Jewish mean is about 7 points, at its widest.

    Dear God man, you’re losing your mind! This thread is full of links to numerous different articles in which Milbank places his “caring about Jew things” on display for the whole world to see.

    Maybe this is like when the uber-Israeli-bigots condemn the American establishment (or, e.g., the Obama regime) as “anti-semitic” or “anti-Israeli” when the latter only give the Jews 99.9% of what they demand, instead of the usual 100%; they can’t really hear how they sound to others.

    The funny thing is that the Jewish guys who preach for greater diversity in the United States are often the same ones who say that Israel must remain a Jewish state by any means necessary.

    The funny thing is that Jews have so much power that they never have to address the contradiction, or pick whether they’d rather have their cake, or eat it.

    None of my ancestors over the last three generations would have been let into WASP country clubs, and most of them were WASPs.

    Right, but you aren’t from the Chosen People of G-d. The greatest Anglo-Saxon should bow before the lowest (nonselfhating) Jew, amirite?

  192. We should all be tired of the same old spit of people like Milbank.

  193. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Just caught that line about the key to American survival bit.

    So, if Milbank himself were ever asked:

    "Dude, aren't you one of those white men that you're dissing?"

    He'd straight up reply "Oh, no, no. Can't you tell?"

    "Not really, because you kinda look--"

    "No, no, no! I'm not one of THOSE white people. I'm...something else."

    Oh. He's something else.

    Got it.

    He gets a pass.

    Just ask him.

    For Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Yeah he is Mike Wallace at around .15 of this clip

  194. it used to be puritans were a pain in the ass.

    now it’s impuritans.

  195. I find it mildly amusing and more than annoying that the likes of Dana Milbank wants to use me (an ethnic Asian) as a rhetorical club with which to beat my wife and her people (whites). Contrary to the constant urgings of the leftist race baiters, I’ve experienced hardly any racism toward me from gentile whites in this country. Most have been down right welcoming.

    Maybe it’s because I grew up partly in NYC and spent much time in academia, but most ethnic unfriendliness I encountered has been from blacks and Jews. From blacks I encountered outright hatred and violence. From Jews (often my academic colleagues) suspicion, tribal exclusion, and minor hostility, combined with constantly being asked if I had any sisters they could date.

    Pretty much this: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204076204578076613986930932

    “Some of the more vehement attacks on Amy Chua’s deliberately provocative 2011 memoir of child rearing, “Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother,” were perhaps fueled by resentment of Asian-American ascendancy, especially in the context of raising “perfect” children. Confession: I was one of the book’s more vocal detractors. Was I, a Jewish-American writer, driven to pique, in part, by a member of a group that threatens Jewish-American cultural domination, just as American Jews once threatened the WASP mandarinate? Well, maybe.

    The subtle vying for success in various realms of American life between Asian-Americans and American Jews makes one wonder what mores and tastes will look like when Asian-Americans begin to exert their own influence over the culture. Will the verbal brio and intellectual bent of Jews, their edgy irony and frank super-competitiveness give way to Asian discretion, deference to the community, and gifts for less verbal pursuits like music, science and math? Will things become, as they once were under WASP hegemony, quieter?”

    It seems at least some Jews are quite concerned that Christian Asians might common cause with their erstwhile rivals, the WASPs.

  196. The parallels between the anti-semites and the philo-semites are uncanny. Both have a preposterously exaggerated belief in Jewish intelligence, for instance. The number of Jews with an IQ 4+SD above the white mean is miniscule [sic].

    I didn’t say anything about Jewish intelligence. I was talking about myself.

    If you’re a supersmart White person, until you learn how to diplomatically handle your exceptional intelligence, you will constantly hear the folk wisdom that intelligence and “sense” aren’t the same thing. And you know what? The folk wisdom is right.

    The word is “minuscule”, by the way.

  197. Sounds like Milbank is a bit more indignant when Jews are attacked than is usual for gentiles, and might even be paranoid about it

    Sounds like Milbank is aping Michael Lind, who pushed the same silly thesis re Pat Robertson 20 years ago. Lind’s from the Texas hill country.

    What the is that supposed to mean? I’ve never heard of the guy, but how could the Hill Country possibly be relevant?

  198. There is no such person in an elementary school of ordinary dimensions. In an urban high school, you might find one or two.

    That’s a very strange thing to say. Ordinary dimensions? What?

    And everyone goes to elementary school, except for those schooled at home. Or so I thought.

    Are you denying that smart people exist? That they go to school? Or what?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I guess he meant that the expected population of such super-smart people would be well below one (1) in any ordinary elementary school, so that the vast majority of such schools would have no such students.
  199. @ben tillman

    There is no such person in an elementary school of ordinary dimensions. In an urban high school, you might find one or two.
     
    That's a very strange thing to say. Ordinary dimensions? What?

    And everyone goes to elementary school, except for those schooled at home. Or so I thought.

    Are you denying that smart people exist? That they go to school? Or what?

    I guess he meant that the expected population of such super-smart people would be well below one (1) in any ordinary elementary school, so that the vast majority of such schools would have no such students.

  200. Twinkie said “I find it mildly amusing and more than annoying that the likes of Dana Milbank wants to use me (an ethnic Asian) as a rhetorical club with which to beat my wife and her people (whites). Contrary to the constant urgings of the leftist race baiters, I’ve experienced hardly any racism toward me from gentile whites in this country. Most have been down right welcoming.”

    Thanks Twinkie. I think that sounds about right from my experience (I’m not Chinese but I live in an area with plenty of Asians and I don’t notice whites giving them short shrift). In fact, I went to a 4th of July fireworks thing last year, and there were a lot of blacks on the street although the area was not heavily black. Two Asians were with us. I noticed the Asians seemed uncomfortable and kind of scared. It was subtle but I caught it. Later I heard that the Asian guy, a scientist and very nice, moved from his apartment because he was harassed by black kids. It wasn’t all the kids in the complex. But enough.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Wherever there is significant contact between blacks and Asians, there is usually violence directed from the former toward the latter.

    See: http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/stunning-dirty-secret-about-racism-in-america/

    Those few Asian race hustlers who wail against "white oppression" should go talk to some blacks once in a while. Or just walk down black neighborhoods. At night. Holding iPads.
  201. The word is “minuscule”, by the way.

    Askdefine.com has it listed as an alternate spelling for “miniscule.” I actually recently “corrected” to “miniscule” after years of spelling it “minuscule” and only learned that both are acceptable after looking them up just now.

  202. @dcite
    Twinkie said "I find it mildly amusing and more than annoying that the likes of Dana Milbank wants to use me (an ethnic Asian) as a rhetorical club with which to beat my wife and her people (whites). Contrary to the constant urgings of the leftist race baiters, I’ve experienced hardly any racism toward me from gentile whites in this country. Most have been down right welcoming."

    Thanks Twinkie. I think that sounds about right from my experience (I'm not Chinese but I live in an area with plenty of Asians and I don't notice whites giving them short shrift). In fact, I went to a 4th of July fireworks thing last year, and there were a lot of blacks on the street although the area was not heavily black. Two Asians were with us. I noticed the Asians seemed uncomfortable and kind of scared. It was subtle but I caught it. Later I heard that the Asian guy, a scientist and very nice, moved from his apartment because he was harassed by black kids. It wasn't all the kids in the complex. But enough.

    Wherever there is significant contact between blacks and Asians, there is usually violence directed from the former toward the latter.

    See: http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/stunning-dirty-secret-about-racism-in-america/

    Those few Asian race hustlers who wail against “white oppression” should go talk to some blacks once in a while. Or just walk down black neighborhoods. At night. Holding iPads.

    • Replies: @Southfarthing
    Right, it makes Whites angry that ghetto people target Asians for muggings.

    It's the same with improper treatment of Asians in the media; it makes principled Whites angry.
  203. ” I’ve experienced hardly any racism toward me from gentile whites in this country. Most have been down right welcoming.”

    When the Chinese American Fung Brothers went to Texas for a chili cook off with a bunch of Rednecks, they were not racially discriminated against. Must be that Southern hospitality.

    Than again there is no deep history of racial animosity in the South between Whites and Asians like there is between Whites and Blacks.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    "Must be that Southern hospitality."

    I love my wife's Midwestern folks dearly, but culturally I find myself the most drawn to Southerners. I truly appreciate the old manners. And, contrary to the hateful redneck racist stereotype, *I* personally and subjectively have found that Southerner whites are far more likely to judge people based on their character and actions than Northern liberal "anti-racist" whites.

    About the only racial comment directed at me in the South was when I went back to a store for a backordered item. The older woman at the front yelled at another woman at the back office "Hey, that guy who was here yesterday for that item is here!" The response from inside was "Who? The really good-looking Chinaman?"

    There was a couple of seconds of silence while the woman at the front got a little red-faced, and my wife broke what little tension there was with "Well, he IS good-looking and that's why I married him." We all laughed and that was that.

    Of course, I heard so so much worse in the urban Northeast, usually from blacks. And sometimes more than just words.
  204. @reiner Tor

    Don’t go overboard, he’s married to a shiksa.
     
    Nobody seems to care about white-hating black men marrying white girls, so let's find another example. Has anybody heard of Wilhelm Marr? Either he was no anti-Semite, or else it must be possible for someone marrying a member of a group and still hate the group as a group. Repeat: as a group. So I can marry a Jew and still hate Jews as a group, like Wilhelm Marr. Or marry a white gentile, and still hate white gentiles as a group. (Interesting to mention that the only child of Marr was also from one of his Jewish wives, a Mischling erster Grad.)

    It's a similar dynamic like the "some of my best friends are Jews, but..." or "I have a lot of X Ethnic Group friends, but..." line. there is also the "the majority of Jews are honest, but..." line. Can people saying these (and assuming they are saying the truth - i.e. that they really have Jewish friends) still be anti-Semites? Why of course. On the personal level you might exempt all of the individual examples you personally know from your hatred, and nevertheless still hate the group as such.

    When a few people marry another group, it’s an isolated event.

    When 71% of an ethnic group of Whites intermarry, it means they are no longer a distinct ethnic group and didn’t think of themselves that way in the first place.

    The minority of Jews who are ethnocentric or clueless leftists have no bearing on mainstream Jews like Carl Sagan, Jake Gyllenhaal, and Jennifer Connelly.

  205. @Twinkie
    Wherever there is significant contact between blacks and Asians, there is usually violence directed from the former toward the latter.

    See: http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/stunning-dirty-secret-about-racism-in-america/

    Those few Asian race hustlers who wail against "white oppression" should go talk to some blacks once in a while. Or just walk down black neighborhoods. At night. Holding iPads.

    Right, it makes Whites angry that ghetto people target Asians for muggings.

    It’s the same with improper treatment of Asians in the media; it makes principled Whites angry.

  206. @Jefferson
    " I’ve experienced hardly any racism toward me from gentile whites in this country. Most have been down right welcoming."

    When the Chinese American Fung Brothers went to Texas for a chili cook off with a bunch of Rednecks, they were not racially discriminated against. Must be that Southern hospitality.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7HYEQHgyGg

    Than again there is no deep history of racial animosity in the South between Whites and Asians like there is between Whites and Blacks.

    “Must be that Southern hospitality.”

    I love my wife’s Midwestern folks dearly, but culturally I find myself the most drawn to Southerners. I truly appreciate the old manners. And, contrary to the hateful redneck racist stereotype, *I* personally and subjectively have found that Southerner whites are far more likely to judge people based on their character and actions than Northern liberal “anti-racist” whites.

    About the only racial comment directed at me in the South was when I went back to a store for a backordered item. The older woman at the front yelled at another woman at the back office “Hey, that guy who was here yesterday for that item is here!” The response from inside was “Who? The really good-looking Chinaman?”

    There was a couple of seconds of silence while the woman at the front got a little red-faced, and my wife broke what little tension there was with “Well, he IS good-looking and that’s why I married him.” We all laughed and that was that.

    Of course, I heard so so much worse in the urban Northeast, usually from blacks. And sometimes more than just words.

  207. @iSteveFan
    The Mexicans and Central American immigrants are a principally Amerindian people returning to the previously Amerindian territory of North America. True they may inconvenience the population already living there, but those are just an assortment of different peoples, many of them recently arrived, who can scarcely claim to be a historic people at all. Anyway they are notoriously politically corrupt, and some of them have dark skin. Away with them!

    That is wrong on many levels. First, and obvious is the fact that North American Indians indigenous to the lower 48 states are already here and in many cases have their own reservations. Mexican and Central American Indians never extended as far north as the lower 48 states.

    Second, the Europeans who came to the North American continent did not come here to partake or join in any society or civilization that the Indians had created. They hacked out their own civilization from the wilderness and built the social, political and economic institutions we have today. Mexican and Central Americans, even if they did originally live on our land which they did not, are not coming here to make their own social, political and economic institutions. They are coming here because of what the white Europeans created. In other words, if whites had never developed this nation, these people would not be coming. Whites came to an empty continent with abundant natural resources. Mexicans and Central Americans are coming to a civilization built by whites.

    I submit that a white, especially one who can trace his ancestors back to the Founding, is more of a 'Native American' than an Amerindian. Amerindians might be native as far as the geographic sense of the term, but the whites are natives in the sense of the political, because the United States is more than geography. It is a European-derived political and cultural presence as well. And in that case the white Europeans are most definitely 'Natives'.

    Dearime was being ironic.

  208. @Art Deco
    Dear fellow, why would I lie about my mother’s Jewish parentage?

    Because you're in the middle of an argument pushing a swiss-cheese thesis.

    “Because you’re in the middle of an argument pushing a swiss-cheese thesis.”

    MMM, the notion that Milbank has a certain level of anti-WASP animus seems pretty solid, dear boy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Trying to use "ancestry shaming" against Milbank just turns everybody off.

    Stick to criticizing his ideas.

    We don't like it when liberals "ancestry shame" Whites, so are we doing it to other people?
  209. @syonredux
    "Because you’re in the middle of an argument pushing a swiss-cheese thesis."


    MMM, the notion that Milbank has a certain level of anti-WASP animus seems pretty solid, dear boy.

    Trying to use “ancestry shaming” against Milbank just turns everybody off.

    Stick to criticizing his ideas.

    We don’t like it when liberals “ancestry shame” Whites, so are we doing it to other people?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "Trying to use “ancestry shaming” against Milbank just turns everybody off.

    Stick to criticizing his ideas.

    We don’t like it when liberals “ancestry shame” Whites, so are we doing it to other people?"

    I'm not engaging in "ancestry shaming"; I'm simply taking into account the role of ancestry in shaping opinions. For example, it would certainly be germane to note the possible role of ethnic animus in an account of England's role in Ireland written by an Irish Catholic.
  210. After reading this thread, I don’t think I’ll ever be able to take Art Deco seriously. The special pleading, obtuseness, and general reliance on bluster is just ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Southfarthing
    I've debated with Art Deco. He's an honorable debating partner who raises points I hadn't thought of.
  211. @Hunsdon
    After reading this thread, I don't think I'll ever be able to take Art Deco seriously. The special pleading, obtuseness, and general reliance on bluster is just ridiculous.

    I’ve debated with Art Deco. He’s an honorable debating partner who raises points I hadn’t thought of.

  212. @Anonymous
    Trying to use "ancestry shaming" against Milbank just turns everybody off.

    Stick to criticizing his ideas.

    We don't like it when liberals "ancestry shame" Whites, so are we doing it to other people?

    “Trying to use “ancestry shaming” against Milbank just turns everybody off.

    Stick to criticizing his ideas.

    We don’t like it when liberals “ancestry shame” Whites, so are we doing it to other people?”

    I’m not engaging in “ancestry shaming”; I’m simply taking into account the role of ancestry in shaping opinions. For example, it would certainly be germane to note the possible role of ethnic animus in an account of England’s role in Ireland written by an Irish Catholic.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Milbank's positions are the same positions of countless Yankees (Christians, Jews, and Asians), like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

    Even the GOP, like George W. Bush and Rand Paul are in favor of decreasing the U.S. proportion of Whites.

    When Yankee Christians and Asians want to increase immigration and fight White racial solidarity, it's ignored and not a news item.
  213. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    "Trying to use “ancestry shaming” against Milbank just turns everybody off.

    Stick to criticizing his ideas.

    We don’t like it when liberals “ancestry shame” Whites, so are we doing it to other people?"

    I'm not engaging in "ancestry shaming"; I'm simply taking into account the role of ancestry in shaping opinions. For example, it would certainly be germane to note the possible role of ethnic animus in an account of England's role in Ireland written by an Irish Catholic.

    Milbank’s positions are the same positions of countless Yankees (Christians, Jews, and Asians), like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

    Even the GOP, like George W. Bush and Rand Paul are in favor of decreasing the U.S. proportion of Whites.

    When Yankee Christians and Asians want to increase immigration and fight White racial solidarity, it’s ignored and not a news item.

  214. Milbank’s positions are the same positions of countless Yankees (Christians, Jews, and Asians), like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

    That’s not really possible. Milbank’s tribe has an explicit ethno-state that strictly controls its demographics. Euro-Americans don’t; in fact Milbank’s tribe is very much opposed to Euro-Americans having anything of the kind.

    Things are different when your kind has an escape route.

  215. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Too many Asian students at elite NY schools, but call it ‘white privilege’.

    Too many unruly and destructive blacks in cities, but call it ‘tired white blood’. (Whites are still very productive whereas blacks are not. Even so-called black middle class is largely parasitic as it depends on government jobs.)

    One reason urban whites want immigration is because they are tired of black crime and prefer more docile immigrant work force. As whites ain’t having kids, their choices are between more blacks or more browns/yellows. Whites are more tired of blacks, so it will have to browns/yellows.

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