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From the New York Times:

A History of the Iberian Peninsula, as Told by Its Skeletons

With an analysis of DNA from nearly 300 fossilized remains, scientists are peering into human prehistory in the region.

For thousands of years, the Iberian Peninsula — home now to Spain and Portugal — has served as a crossroads.

Carl Zimmer starts off with a lot of talk about migrations and comings and goings and how they’ve happened again and again.

So why are you nativists worried about a few newcomers showing up in your country? Look at prehistory! The same thing happened then. It worked out fine, just fine. It’s migration, it’s natural, it’s inevitable. It’s who we are!

… About 4,500 years ago, still another wave of people arrived, profoundly altering the makeup of Iberia.

A few centuries earlier, nomads from the steppes of what is now Russia turned up in Eastern Europe with horses and wagons.

The Yamnaya (i.e., the Aryans).

They spread across the continent, giving up nomadic life and intermarrying with European farmers.

Isn’t that sweet. It sounds so romantic!

When they finally reached Iberia, these people spread out far and wide. “They really have an impact on the whole peninsula,” said Dr. Olalde.

But skeletal DNA from that period is striking and puzzling. Over all, Bronze Age Iberians traced 40 percent of their ancestry to the newcomers.

DNA from the men, however, all traced back to the steppes.

Uh, you know, I’m not an anthropologist, but this Bronze Age Aryan migration sounds … uh … kind of barbaric.

The Y chromosomes from the male farmers disappeared from the gene pool.

Let me guess the motivations of the newcomers/victors: “To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.”

But then I’m not a trained archaeologist so what do I know?

To archaeologists, the shift is a puzzle.

“I cannot say what it is,” said Roberto Risch, an archaeologist at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, who was not involved in the new studies. But he ruled out wars or massacres as the cause. “It’s not a particularly violent time,” he said.

Of course it wasn’t a particularly violent time. It’s just that a whole bunch of Aryan barbarians came pouring in off the steppe and wound up with all the surviving women, fathering every single one of their male children.

Instead, Dr. Risch suspects “a political process” is the explanation.

Probably involving Roberts’ Rules of Order. No doubt, it was quite tedious, like a zoning board hearing.

In their archaeological digs, Dr. Risch and his colleagues have found that Iberian farmers originally lived in egalitarian societies, storing their wealth together and burying their dead in group graves.

But over several centuries, palaces and fortresses began to rise, and power became concentrated in the hands of a few. Dr. Risch speculated that the cultural shift had something to do with the genetic shift found by Dr. Olalde and his colleagues.

O … kaaay!

This urge to retcon prehistory in the most passive voice manner possible, when the genetic evidence of utter barbarism is clear, is awfully strange.

It’s weird how progressives don’t believe in progress anymore. Instead of saying, “Yeah, it was horrible back then. Fortunately, we’ve progressed past barbarism and now have civilized inventions like borders and laws to prevent these kind of genocidal clashes,” they say, “Oh, it was really nice back then. There’s a trope that the Aryan Battle-Axe Culture were violent marauders. Instead, it was … a political process …”

 
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  1. So why are you nativists worried about a few hijabis showing up in your country? Look at prehistory! It’s migration, not invasion.

    BREAKING:

    Here is one New Zealander a wee bit opposed to Muslim ‘migration.’

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6811785/Shooter-opens-fire-New-Zealand-injures-four-people-witnesses-say-heard-20-shots.html

    Skip to 5:50:

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=C4hPk_1552617068

  2. MBlanc46 says:

    Roberts Rules of Order. Steve Sailer should be writing for Hollywood. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has some stage presence. He could be big in stand-up.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  3. Massacre at a mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand. The shooter live streamed it on Facebook. I saw parts of it on his Facebook page. Extremely brutal.

    Very bizarre incident, but apparently real. The shooter’s machine gun was covered in far right internet memes.

    His Twitter page, which should be taken down shortly, was basically a compendium of every right wing video on Youtube. All posted in the last few days. Most of the videos were not violent in nature. This could likely lead to massive Internet censorship across the board in all nations. I think the age of massive censorship is upon us.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/brentontarrant

  4. But over several centuries, palaces and fortresses began to rise, and power became concentrated in the hands of a few.

    This is a marvelous example of the ‘meteorological/geological phenomena’ style of reporting on human actions, which is typically seen in crime stories (e.g. ‘a wave of violence is plaguing the [wholly innocent] denizens of this neighborhood). Those palaces and fortresses just grew like beanstalks, and that power just flowed, flowed, flowed to those dirty hands all of its own accord, just like rivers must run to the sea.

    • Replies: @Rufus
    , @The Alarmist
  5. “I cannot say what it is,” said Roberto Risch, an archaeologist at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, who was not involved in the new studies. But he ruled out wars or massacres as the cause. “It’s not a particularly violent time,” he said.

    It is strange how historians invariable talk in the present tense about things that happened a long time ago, as if they were mentally living in those times. Perhaps they are.

  6. @Clifford Brown

    Topper Headon was resurrected from the dead….he looks very healthy and fit these days….in the past he looked like a very frail-weak terminal AIDS patient……

  7. Rufus says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The passive voice. Necessary in academic writing, but in the polemical pap were served every day its sovietesque. To the western mind at least.

  8. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:

    We have eye-witness accounts of this sort of thing happening much more recently than thousands of years ago in, for example, Guam, and what its Spanish conquerors did to the native inhabitants.

    “The apparent near or even complete disappearance of Chamorro males [Italics mine] from this somewhat contentiously interpreted period (which supports a warfare interpretation) had long-term demographic consequences – not only in subsequent interracial genetic make-up but also in the continued decline of the Chamorro population even after 1742.”
    In 1668 the Spanish estimated there were some 40,000 Chamorros on Guam. By 1710, a census recorded only 3,539. The Spanish began a program of forced intermarriage of Chamorro women with white Spaniards, with the result that by 1797, a census recorded only 1,111 “pure blooded indigenes,” a census category that ceased to exist after 1830, as there were no more such individuals.
    For further reading:
    When Cultures Clash: Rvisiting the Spanish-Chamorro Wars

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
    , @Anon
  9. Ron Unz says:

    I spent (wasted?) most of the 2000s producing a massive digitized compendium of hundreds of the leading American publications of the last 150 years, which I later incorporated into this website:

    http://www.unz.com/print/

    One unexpected conclusion I came to while casually perusing a minuscule fraction of those many millions of pages of top-quality content material was that both the honesty and the quality of American intellectual life eighty or ninety years ago was, at least in many respects, vastly superior to that of much more recent times and into the present day.

  10. syonredux says:

    When they finally reached Iberia, these people spread out far and wide. “They really have an impact on the whole peninsula,” said Dr. Olalde.

    But skeletal DNA from that period is striking and puzzling. Over all, Bronze Age Iberians traced 40 percent of their ancestry to the newcomers.

    DNA from the men, however, all traced back to the steppes.

    The Y chromosomes from the male farmers disappeared from the gene pool.

    To archaeologists, the shift is a puzzle.

    “I cannot say what it is,” said Roberto Risch, an archaeologist at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, who was not involved in the new studies. But he ruled out wars or massacres as the cause. “It’s not a particularly violent time,” he said.

    Yeah, what could be the reason? Let’s see….

    Mutant fungus in the grain turns the farmers gay?

    Video game addiction?

    Skoptsy time travelers journey to neolithic Iberia and start a self-castration fad?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @dr kill
  11. @Ron Unz

    When everything else of our cultural legacy gets memory-holed or purged because it’s offensive, embarrassing or insufficiently diverse, hopefully time capsules like Mr. Unz’s will be preserved for when people come to their senses and rediscover the value of old ideas & wisdom.

    Sadly many classics of antiquity were lost to history…
    …probably a similar fate awaits much of the output of our current era…

  12. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:

    I think it was Nicholas Wade in Before the Dawn who talked about how archeologists like to pretend that Neolithic times were rather peaceful, when something like one out of three bodies recovered from that time appear to have died violently.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  13. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:

    Given the time spans involved and the fact that only a small fraction of the total number of sites have been found or even survive, I’m amazed at the level of certainty that archeologists can muster up in their conclusions that there were no conflicts, which would have been over in all of half a day, leaving the afternoon to “honeymoon” activities.

    It reminds me of all those hominid skeletons, “Lucy” and so on, that would sound really cool, and then you’d see a reconstruction where the discovered bone parts and the conjectured parts were in different colors, and you’d realize that the whole “skeleton” found was an eighth of a jaw bone, a square inch of skull, and a pinkie joint from the left hand. The explanation of why they believed this was a new species was always elaborate and unconvincing. The real reason was, of course, National Geographic would only fund them another season if they were finding stuff that would sell magazines.

    • Replies: @mb
  14. @Ron Unz

    Impressive. You should have it set so that the articles become publicly available automatically once in the public domain.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  15. Olorin says:
    @Ron Unz

    It was not wasted, host.

    I agree on American intellectual life’s quality taking a nosedive since my dad was a sprout. Thing is, people born into this will never know the difference…which makes such exercises in library-making even more important. I very much wish that it were possible to have a safe copy of your compendium to place in an information refugia. DVD or whatever.

    Sidebar: This is weird. I was preparing a reply to Jenner re: the NZ shooter…and my reply was sent truncating all but the first few lines without my hitting the reply button…and without the option to edit the reply.

    Who has control of this medium at this moment?

  16. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:

    “They spread across the continent, giving up nomadic life and intermarrying with European farmers.”

    And everybody sing it with me:
    “Oh the farmer and the cow man should be friends,
    One man likes to push a plow,
    The other one likes to take an axe
    And bury it in your skull
    And steal your wife and rape your daughters
    But that ain’t no reason why they can’t be fre-unds.”

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  17. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:

    How can they say, “[4,500 years ago] was not a particularly violent time.” How about 4,550 years ago? 4,450 years ago? Just within the span of the 20th century we had world wars along with Pax Americana.

    • Agree: International Jew
  18. athEIst says:

    Killing your political opponents is a political process.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @res
  19. Tusk says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Let’s not forget the names of all the victims of Muslim attacks, such as Rotherdam, painted on his gear.

    • Agree: jim jones
  20. Its Migration, not Invasion!

    Migration in large enough numbers is Invasion.

    • Replies: @Rufus
  21. Jack D says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    More lede burying from the NY Times:

    Murders are rare in New Zealand, and gun deaths even rarer. There were 35 murders countrywide in 2017. Since 2007, gun homicides have been in the single digits each year except 2009, when there were 11.

    But there are plenty of guns. There were 1.2 million registered firearms in a country of 4.6 million people in 2017, according to the Small Arms Survey, a Swiss nonprofit.

    Hmm, I don’t understand it at all. Chicago alone, with a smaller population, has almost 600 murders a year (and strict gun control laws). NZ is just crawling with guns and yet murder is rare….. It makes no sense.

  22. Yeah, I’m sure it was exactly as you say. You’re such geniuses, AND so proud of yourselves. Congratulations.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  23. fortresses began to rise

    Always a sure sign of peaceful times.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Anon
  24. prosa123 says:

    Chicago alone, with a smaller population, has almost 600 murders a year (and strict gun control laws). NZ is just crawling with guns and yet murder is rare….. It makes no sense.

    Hunting is very popular in New Zealand. I’m going to guess that most of the firearms in New Zealand are hunting rifles and shotguns, which are seldom used in crimes.

    • Replies: @a reader
  25. istevefan says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Here is his manifesto. Excerpt:

    Won’t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights from Whites in the United States

    Yes, that is the plan all along, you said you would fight to protect your rights and the constitution, well soon will come the time.

    I am still parsing through the document. He is a combination of a nationalist with environmentalism thrown in. I am sure the media is going to cherry pick quotes from this to paint guys on this blog as evil. But there are a lot of quotes to be had in this doc that can be used against many. He seems big on environmentalism.

    Still reading…

  26. Ron Unz says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Impressive. You should have it set so that the articles become publicly available automatically once in the public domain.

    Actually, in order to protect its copyright to Mickey Mouse, Disney bribed Congress in 1998 to pass a twenty-year extension of all copyrights, so they only started moving forward again at the beginning of this year:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-bitter-legacy-of-mickey-mouse/

    When I have a chance, I’ve been meaning to update my archiving system and rerun the big batch rebuild, but since it’s a single year, I just haven’t gotten around to it.

  27. Rufus says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    It’s less numerical than:

    If you weren’t invited and you intend to stay.

    That’s invasion.

  28. Anon[304] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: The FBI found out about the college bribing scandal when Yale’s black soccer coach offered to sell a place to the whistleblower’s daughter for $450,000. Somehow, I am not surprised.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6809899/Executive-gave-tip-launched-admissions-bribery-case.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  29. Mr. Anon says:
    @athEIst

    Killing your political opponents is a political process.

    A lot of Hippy/New Left/Flower-Power thought from the 60s was nonsense. But one idea that was true – although not in the way they thought – was “The Personal is Political.”

    Killing a man and taking his woman is pretty personal.

  30. Their logic is: there as always been invasions, so why try to stop it?

    But, there has always been people trying to prevent it, and sometimes they have been successful in history. The Romans didn’t invade Scotland. The Basque preserved their culture (and genes).

  31. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Asinine NZ politicians keep parroting this can’t be happening in little old New Zealand. Time to wake up, if it can happen in Canada and Norway it can happen in New Zealand.

    I’ve heard reports the shooter is Australian, which might mean he’s a Coptic Christian or Greek Cypriot (Christian Mediterranean people are much more numerous in Australia).

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  32. Yeah well 1000 YamnayaBux is 1000 YamnayaBux

  33. @Ron Unz

    I know the copyright term extension game all too well, but perhaps there is a way to set it up automatically as the copyright terms eventually do end.

  34. Tusk says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    NZ Police Commissioner:

    “Four people are in custody – three men and one woman. Mike Bush has confirmed that four people are in custody, but that things are moving very quickly.”‘

    So despite the video, multiple people/shooter are apparently invovled.

  35. Of course it wasn’t a particularly violent time. It’s just that a whole bunch of Aryan barbarians came pouring in off the steppe and wound up with all the surviving women, fathering every single one of their children.

    It should have dawned on you in the act of writing that sentence, however, that this is of course extremely unlikely to the point of being practically impossible.

    No matter how brutal the conquest or how repressive the subsequent tyranny, there are always survivors among the vanquished. Is it really plausible that none of the previous inhabitants could have fled? How could you possibly hunt down every last man in the whole vastness of Spain, which would have been of necessity at that time a trackless wilderness devoid of roads and passages? Is it really believable that the Aryans prosecuted their extermination campaign with such mechanical efficiency that they combed the entire countryside, finding every last isolated pocket of humanity in the mountains and forests, and ruthlessly slaughtered all the male inhabitants down to the last child, the last infant, such that not a single one of them survived to sire anybody at all?

    Or is it more likely that the extremely small sample size has skewed the results, and that the skeletons which were by chance recovered were precisely the ones which had been interred with greater care, and in the more accessible locations, such as a generally more organized and industrious people would be wont to do? Furthermore, is it not the case that a rapid and wholesale replacement by massacre would have left its own rather dramatic signal in the archaeological record, that being the sudden appearance of a number of maimed and broken bodies, the absence of which testified to it being “not a very violent time?” The researches aver that 40% of the DNA of the entire community traced back to the Aryans, but this 40% comprises all of the males (and presumably some of the females), implying that the community as a whole consisted of less than 40% males of any description—a bizarrely imbalanced sex ratio which, even if it had once existed as a real and actual fact, would have at any rate been rectified within a single generation of newborns (a slice of time too vanishingly small to isolate archaeologically); and this therefore lends credence to the hypothesis that the samples are not representative. Is not all of this consistent with the idea that the Aryans might have said to the farmers, “We don’t mind trading with you for wives and whatnot, but we frown upon your kind being buried with us,”—in other words, an ancient case of excluding the riffraff from the country clubs?

    It is extremely difficult to completely exterminate an entire race of males, so difficult in fact that we have no verifiable examples of it ever having been done, even by modern nations states and modern armies wielding the most advanced, industrialized killing apparatuses that the mind of man has yet devised. To think that a band of prehistoric wagoners accomplished this singular feat shows only that the mind of the thinker hankers after this conclusion as the preferable interpretation, but it does not make it any more likely to be correct.

  36. @Jack D

    It would be racist to compare the Orc-to-Hobbit ratio of Chicago vs. NZ.

  37. This is not the way, this guy is a disgusting coward.
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=C4hPk_1552617068
    This New Zealand guy supports Trump and wants to ensure Civil War here over the 2nd Amendment

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  38. Anon[304] • Disclaimer says:

    Somewhat OT: Mexicans different from each other in DNA as much as Europeans and East Asians differ from each other.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/06/people-mexico-show-stunning-amount-genetic-diversity?rss=1

    • Replies: @gcochran
  39. Not again says:
    @Clifford Brown

    A conspiracy theorist would say when false flags fail it’s time for Maidan Square. Notice the very coincidental timing of the border vote in the US Senate and Beto’s “let them all in campaign” coverage ? What a great time for a guy to shoot up a mosque and kill women, children and stop to execute those only wounded by two shots to the head. Nothing generates support quite like live streaming killing kids. Can anyone remind me how many people rallied to support Dillon Roof or Anders Brevick? 1,000,000? 100,000? Zero? Yeah, zero. But of course this man has RW videos on his twitter account and mentions whites and Trump? How surprising.

    What was the motivation behind that guy who shot up that concert in Vegas? Yeah even the FBI doesn’t know which party’s supporters like country music; and that guy who tried to assassinate Steve Scalise and two dozen Republican congressmen, nothing to see there either. I would not.be surprised if we find out weeks from now he was on psychotropic drugs and/or known to the police. Btw that was semi automatic and he seems to have had a lot of practice.

  40. jb says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Jesus Christ what a FUCKING IDIOT! I’m sorry, I really can’t think of anything else to say.

  41. Mr. Anon says:

    But skeletal DNA from that period is striking and puzzling. Over all, Bronze Age Iberians traced 40 percent of their ancestry to the newcomers.

    To archaeologists, the shift is a puzzle.

    Maybe they ended up like Harold in The Getaway:

  42. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The mass-murder is, of course, an evil crime and is inexcusable.

    But……………why do there have to be mosques in…………CHRISTCHURCH?

  43. @Anonymous

    Not surprised to see the Spanish ethnically cleansing areas they invaded, the Spaniards are in fact Aryans who did the same ethnic cleansing to the aboriginal Iberians thousands of years ago.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
  44. Mr. Anon says:
    @Cloudbuster

    fortresses began to rise

    Always a sure sign of peaceful times.

    Indeed, and a sure sign that it was “not a particularly violent time”.

  45. @Jack D

    How many unregistered guns? How does an unemployed Australian bring one into the country, or afford to buy one when there.

  46. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown

    The youtube was taken down as soon as it was posted

    Is he really an evil White native Aussie White make fighting invasion? Or is he an agent of the deep state?

    Let the conspiracy theories begin.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  47. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:

    All academia is sanitized so as not to disturb our society’s demographic transition.

    A commissar somewhere along the line made sure no problematic comments were made by the researchers of the “migration story”.

    So while you’re reading tonight or tomorrow about (surprise!) A bunch of mosques in new Zealand with many hundreds of worshipers …please do not connect the dots.

    YOU MIGHT BE WONDERING WHY THERE ARE ANY MOSQUES IN NEW ZEALAND

    So you can understand how important it is for academic researchers to use the proper descriptives when it comes to “migration stories” of yore.

  48. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Obviously you don’t like Whites. No one does, even most college educated Whites.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  49. BenKenobi says:
    @istevefan

    I fear for the safety of the White community who will no doubt suffer a racist backlash from this terrible atrocity.

    #notallWhites

  50. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Reminds me of Icelandic DNA. All the founding women were Irish, all the men Norwegian. The historians want us to believe the Vikings came ashore with flowers and champagne to gently woo the Irish girls to marry them and settle a new land

    • Replies: @Cortes
  51. @Ron Unz

    I came to the same conclusion browsing musty volumes in the back stacks of research university libraries.

    It’s … reassuring to hear that someone else has seen the same thing.

    Sort of like if I once saw Athena at the site of a ruined marble shrine, and wondered ever since if I was hallucinating. Now I know someone else saw her too.

  52. res says:
    @athEIst

    Killing your political opponents is a political process.

    Or expressed slightly differently: “War is the continuation of politics by other means.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  53. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cloudbuster

    The fortresses rose by themselves, like rivers in heavy rains or sand dunes because of the wind. Blacksmiths began making weapons instead of carpenters tools.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  54. istevefan says:

    Is this yet another one of those pieces designed to convince yet another European population that they have no special claim to their nation?

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  55. Bill P says:

    Back in the 80s, long before these genetic ancestry studies came out, my grandfather assured me that the Irish people came from the Black Sea region in modern Ukraine some 4,000 years ago. They wandered around the Mediterranean region for some time before settling in Spain, and then made their way to Ireland, which they conquered from the people who built the fairy forts (neolithic structures).

    My grandfather, who had an eighth grade education (had to work in the Virginia City area mines starting at age 14), learned that from his Gaelic-speaking Irish immigrant mother. I don’t know who she learned it from, but these legends go way back.

    Now that the genetic and linguistic studies have confirmed this story, I find it hilarious that my uneducated (although certainly not stupid) grandpa was right all along.

  56. O

    f course it wasn’t a particularly violent time. It’s just that a whole bunch of Aryan barbarians came pouring in off the steppe and wound up with all the surviving women, fathering every single one of their male children.

    It could have been a much slower process, happening over many generations. We see that in those Asian countries that have only a handful of surnames. The men of the more robust families crowd the others out.

    Come on, that’s basic Darwinism!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyen

    https://qpho.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a9efc91cd830c78ee320d988c956eb1a

    https://qpho.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-714aaa3a0d0bbfc792404c01fd7800a8

    • Replies: @donut
  57. They spread across the continent, giving up nomadic life and intermarrying with European farmers.

    Well, intermarrying with European farmers’ daughters. Not quite sure what happened to European farmer fathers and European farmer brothers though…

    When they finally reached Iberia, these people spread out far and wide. “They really have an impact

    heh

    on the whole peninsula,” said Dr. Olalde.

    But skeletal DNA from that period is striking and puzzling. Over all, Bronze Age Iberians traced 40 percent of their ancestry to the newcomers.

    DNA from the men, however, all traced back to the steppes.

    Huh, so I guess it was like that Beach Boys Surf City thing…

    https://youtu.be/HSS5xujeRaY *

    The Y chromosomes from the male farmers disappeared from the gene pool.

    To quote Obama, “We may never know…”

    To archaeologists, the shift is a puzzle.

    “I cannot say what it is,” said Roberto Risch, an archaeologist at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, who was not involved in the new studies. But he ruled out wars or massacres as the cause. “It’s not a particularly violent time,” he said.

    Ah, well, that settles it then. The complete disappearance of male gene lines wasn’t violent because we said it wasn’t a violent time. There, see, when you say “time” it rules out all other possibilities.

    Instead, Dr. Risch suspects “a political process” is the explanation.

    Paging Herr von Clausewitz … paging Herr von Clausewitz …

    How did that thing you used to say go?

    Du meinst … er, You mean “War is ze continuation of a political process by öther means”?

    Yeah, that was it.

    In their archaeological digs, Dr. Risch and his colleagues have found that Iberian farmers originally lived in egalitarian societies, storing their wealth together and burying their dead in group graves.

    No doubt they were peaceful astronomers living in harmony with nature and each other too.

    Is a failure of imagination a prerequisite to becoming an archaeologist nowadays?

    * Yes, I know the math is three girls for every two boys, but which would you rather sing about?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  58. @unpc downunder

    I’ve heard reports the shooter is Australian

    You heard right, and it was my first guess after looking at his name.

    If HBDers had more clues, they would notice that the pakeha population of NZ is very very very different from the white population of NSW. (“Traditional” Aussie Bogans’ ears start about halfway down their necks: a cardinal sign of criminality).

    White society in NSW (and Vic) were started using the criminal dregs of England; even the “£10 Poms” from the 1950s et seq were nowhere near the best that England had to offer.

    By contrast, pakeha society in Ao Tea Roa was largely started by middle-class Poms (in Te Ika a Maui – the so-called “North Island”), and Scottish Presbyterians in Te Wai Pounamu (the “South Island”).

    That’s why North Island towns are named after Poms (Wellington, Auckland, Cambridge [my birthplace], Hamilton, Gisborne, [New] Plymouth, Normanby) while in the South Island you get place names like Dunedin (a cognate of Edinburgh), Blenheim, Falkirk, Invercargill and Christchurch.

    And let’s face it: with limited exceptions, white nationalism attracts mainly disaffected white trash; it gives them an excuse for their underperformance as individuals. (That said: I’m opposed to AA for the same reasons as white trash… they’re only right because they’ve been fed the appropriate talking points. They are less competitive than the sorts of people who rely on AA).

    To give some context regarding the extremely low level of white nationalism in NZ: it was national news the other day when someone interrupted a Maori-speaker at a town meeting and told him to speak English. The guy who said that was lucky he wasn’t hospitalised.

    White nationalists in NZ would risk getting the absolute shit kicked out of them every time they showed their faces in public: in NZ men are still permitted (for the time being) to settle that sort of thing with personal violence.

    This guy will not survive long in NZ prisons: I would expect a deal to be struck with Australia so he can be repatriated (and beaten to death in an Australian gaol by a Kiwi).

  59. @Jonathan Mason

    Think of it as a recalibration. It gives them more usable grammatical tenses to describe the past with.

  60. @Anon

    Don’t rich colleges like Yale have internal audit systems to prevent coaches from acting as private admissions committees? These seem to be kids who don’t even play some sport, so don’t colleges follow up on this?

  61. Cortes says:
    @Anon

    Just a few fun lovin’ criminals…

  62. PhDPepper says:
    @Bill P

    Right, this was covered in the Book of Invasions. The Milesians (from Spain) came over and conquered the existing natives, the Tuatha De Danann, who themselves had defeated the Fomorians and the Fir Blog.

    If you haven’t read it, check out JP Mallory’s The Origins of the Irish. He reviews the historical literature with the most recent DNA evidence to see what holds up. All in all, it’s close. A lot of the older histories were trying to fit the Irish into a biblical schema, and/or reflected the propaganda of this or that faction. It’s well worth your time reading it.

  63. Cortes says:
    @Bill P

    The Scots were originally a tribe from NE Ireland.

    In the 1320 Declaration of Arbroath

    https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesBritain/Medieval_TextArbroath01.htm

    see how the migration is claimed to be from “Greater Scythia” (N Shore of the Black Sea).

    • Replies: @RebelWriter
    , @Anonymous
  64. eah says:

    These findings suggest that people were moving into Iberia from Africa more than 3,000 years before the rise of the Roman Empire. “These are cosmopolitan places,” Dr. Reich said.

    The article is weak Jewish racial flat earth political propaganda masquerading as science — nothing in it has anything to do with today, the era of modern nation states.

    The existence of today’s ethno-nationalist states is the product of an imperfect process: centuries of conflict and political evolution — these states seem to be, and should be seen as, the best way for relatively incompatible genetically and culturally distinct human subspecies (or varieties) to co-inhabit the planet.

    • Agree: donut
    • Replies: @Olorin
    , @eah
    , @Clyde
  65. Olorin says:
    @eah

    Funny, but I was reading something else online, elsewhere (maybe Phys.org) earlier today, where the term “cosmopolitan” was used to refer to demographic invasion/multiculturalism in ancient history.

    It’s always a good thing, “cosmopolitan,” and never has anything to do with the later downfall of cities or states or civilizations where the Cosmopolitans are battling with each other in sectarian fashion for territory, mates, and resources.

    these states seem to be, and should be seen as, the best way for relatively incompatible genetically and culturally distinct human subspecies (or varieties) to co-inhabit the planet.

    The airline/aerospace industry has determined otherwise. They can’t mix populations up fast enough. In the future utopia, everyone will be taupe and have 15 million frequent flyer miles.

  66. eah says:
    @eah

    “Herculean efforts” — or maybe 1000 bucks a month will do it

  67. gcochran says:
    @Anon

    They don’t, though.

    • Replies: @res
  68. Instead, Dr. Risch suspects “a political process” is the explanation.

    You mean to tell me that the Democratic Party already existed 4,500 years ago? Well I'll be!

    It’s weird how progressives don’t believe in progress anymore. Instead of saying, “Yeah, it was horrible back then. Fortunately, we’ve progressed past barbarism and now have civilized inventions like borders and laws to prevent these kind of genocidal clashes,” they say, “Oh, it was really nice back then. There’s a trope that the Aryan Battle-Axe Culture were violent marauders. Instead, it was … a political process …”

    Well, the idea (or should I say ‘trope’?) that the pre-historic past was ideal and that human nature didn’t take a turn for the worse until civilization/Xtianity/Wipipo (take your pick) emerged has actually been around since at least the time Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

  69. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, it’s even more basic and primal than that.

    The upshot, so to speak, is that the winning team – apart from snaffling all the land – gets full exclusive poon access of the losing teams women. The defeated men – if ‘lucky’ enough not to be summarily slaughtered – could ‘look forward’ to lives of subordinate drudgery, writhing in literal ‘impotent fury’.

    Such is life. Such is the Darwinian ethic. Such is life as it is still lived today, although through the prism of the almighty Marketplace.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  70. Funny, but they’re also retconning the Germanic invasions of the British Isles with the same story-line: Those stories of rape, pillage, plunder and murder were just English mythery for propaganda purposes; the “newcomers” for the most part are alleged to have intermarried, settled down, and enriched English culture.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  71. @The Last Real Calvinist

    “This is a marvelous example of the ‘meteorological/geological phenomena’ style of reporting on human actions ….”

    It’s more like Climate Science: Those castles and fotresses and walls caused the crime and barbarity, and it won’t be long before they tell us that Donald Trump is clearly to blame for the prehistoric Aryan invasion of Spain.

  72. eah says:
    @Steve Sailer

    don’t colleges follow up on this?

    Colleges intentionally discriminate against high-scoring Whites and Asians in order to achieve ‘Diversity’ — what makes you think they would be particularly conscientious about some other form of deliberate anti-meritocratic admissions fraud?

  73. jim jones says:

    It beats me why Muslims walk around in their tribal clothing, don`t they realize that this is bound to provoke some people.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @res
  74. @Ron Unz

    Funny, but in the same way that some say that an American’s idea of culture is yoghurt, the term American Intellect is fast approaching oxymoron.

  75. @Steve Sailer

    Proof that even in the Ivies, the Jocks dominate the Nerds.

  76. RobUK says:

    To archaeologists, the shift is a puzzle.

    The puzzle is how to explain it in a way that will satisfy the flinty eyed Kommissar looking over your shoulder.

  77. @Bill P

    Further proof that nothing but trouble comes from the Ukraine.

  78. Pericles says:
    @Anon

    More like “weapons appeared while carpenters’ tools became uncommon”.

  79. Pericles says:
    @Kratoklastes

    I see, it’s a terrible case of AR3.

  80. @Kratoklastes

    Yeah, agree with the analysis here. I think Australian men have bifurcated recently. Those that haven’t metrosexualised in their big cities have retreated to a hard edged boganism in the rural towns of NSW and Victoria. There seems to be quite a bit of this white nationalism coming out of there. As you say, that is a stock of people we just never got in NZ.

    This guy seems to have radicalised on his OE in Europe (mainly France) after making some money in bitcoin (!). So in a way you can blame that on immigration too: Polish taking the bar jobs in London that Australians used to do. Twenty years ago this guy would have got drunk for two years in Shepherd’s Bush then gone home and lived happily ever after.

    Now he goes back and shoots up the place.

  81. @jim jones

    It beats me why Muslims walk around in their tribal clothing, don`t they realize that this is bound to provoke some people

    There was one picture of a guy standing in front of a police car, being interviewed. He looked like a younger, smoother Yasir Arafat.

  82. Moses says:
    @Kratoklastes

    white nationalism attracts mainly disaffected white trash; it gives them an excuse for their underperformance as individuals.

    Does this idea also apply to anyone in any ethnic group that is an in-group booster and/or proud of their in-group? Say, like, Blacks or Muslims or Jews or LGBTQ?

    Or does your rule apply just to regular Whites?

    It’s not OK to be regular White, btw. Everyone knows that.

  83. For basic familiarization with the psychology of history, especially men’s psychology, suggested reading:

    Robert E. Howard
    _The Complete Works of Robert E. Howard_.

    Several sources, search for the title.

    I’m not joking here. Literary sources are a legitimate way to understand several things, including truths that are socially forbidden but very widely held, to include truths about human nature.

    One could legitimately ask: “Why would anybody consider stories about the protagonist suffering bodily harm, quite often for no real reason, to be escapist?” Consider that men actually spent real money to do exactly that, to read Howard’s pulp fiction.

    And then, if you still want to, talk about groups of men settling disputes in the same way groups of women do.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @res
  84. Yak-15 says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    That was a lot of wasted thought on a misconceived, incorrect understanding. The idea is that battles occurred and native men were killed or driven off. The invaders then took the women. It’s not necessary for them to kill every single man. The battle survivors probably fled and re-establishes themselves elsewhere while the invaders settled down with the babes.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Intelligent Dasein
  85. Yak-15 says:
    @Prodigal son

    Aren’t most other white people the same? Couldn’t a woke, black anthropologist claim that this gene is why whites everywhere are always committing genocide?

  86. @Intelligent Dasein

    The stochastic process for rare Y chromosomes in a large population (with no heritable advantage) is like that for rare surnames. The small remaining proportion wanders randomly and often hits a boundary value of zero. The same as rare surnames in a large population, the (rare) variant can simply disappear by random chance. In fact, the probability of hitting the boundary value can be quite large if the time elapse is large and the proportion of rare variant is small.

  87. Instead of referring to it as the “Battle-Axe-Culture”, perhaps we should call it the “Unknown-Purpose-Axe-Culture”.

    • Replies: @res
  88. @Ron Unz

    Snapshots of America, before and after the Culture of Critique.

  89. Logan says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    This notion of wanting to believe “indigenous peoples” were peaceful and innocent goes way back.

    For decades the Maya were generally portrayed as peaceful scholars and mathematicians, in stark contrast with the violent Toltecs and Aztecs. Then we finally deciphered their writing and discovered they were incredibly warlike and brutal, with the national sport being the public torture to death of captured enemies.

    Back around 1980 my family toured Mesa Verde National Park, famous for its cliff dwellings. The tour leader went on about how the fact that people had moved into these utterly inconvenient pueblos after centuries of living in much more convenient structure on the mesa tops had absolutely nothing to do with defense. No, it was something about solar heating of the alcoves.

    We have since found, of course, that the Anasazi (or some of them at least) were or became violent cannibals. If the neighbors decided to become cannibals, I’d move into a cliff dwelling myself.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  90. Anon[232] • Disclaimer says:

    The comments by Roberto Risch are so laugh-out-loud funny that I almost suspect that he is winking at us or doing some sort of code speak or dog whistle, while on the surface appearing to be politically correct.

    On the other hand, Carl Zimmer is not stupid, not an Amy Harmon, so I think he would recognize someone pulling his leg and not put it in his article.

  91. @istevefan

    The link goes to “page not found”

    That didn’t take long.

  92. The Killers were on this in their song “Tranquilize”:

    I don’t need political process
    I got this feeling that they’re gonna break down the door
    I got this feeling they they’re gonna come back for more

  93. It’s weird how progressives don’t believe in progress anymore. Instead of saying, “Yeah, it was horrible back then. Fortunately, we’ve progressed past barbarism and now have civilized inventions like borders and laws to prevent these kind of genocidal clashes,” they say, “Oh, it was really nice back then. There’s a trope that the Aryan Battle-Axe Culture were violent marauders. Instead, it was … a political process …”

    It will come back to bite them. The newcomers of today are not exactly progressive and, if they become the majority, will eventually want to roll back what progressives have championed, like gay rights and marriage, and women’s rights. The progressives will then begin to turn their guns on these newcomers. Things will get messy, and brutal, for the progressives at this point because many of the newcomers are also from antidemocratic cultures without the Western traditions of civility.

  94. Graham says:
    @Name Withheld

    “The Romans didn’t invade Scotland. ” True. The Scots did, after the Romans had left.

  95. @Anonymous

    I am a member of the Cherokee tribe, a group that was Mesolithic at the time of contact.

    Cherokee could be extremely brutal.

    If you trespassed on tribal land, or were taken prisoner in war, the tribe would debate your fate. If they thought you useful for the tribe, which may mean someone needed a husband or, in the case of settlers caught on tribal land, someone wanted a wife, you were made a full tribal member and were expected to behave as if your family had been in the tribe since the beginning of time.

    Some of the settlers incorporated into tribes rather liked it. Sarah Parker, mother of Quannah, preferred Comanche life.

    If you were not useful, you would die a horrible death, up to and including torture for three days followed by burning at the stake.

    Those were hard times. Resources were limited. A trespasser might mean fewer deer to eat for the tribe.

    For those who think the Indian way extreme, look what happened to all the tribes.

    I have studied the history of my people — meaning Americans of white and native backgrounds. That is why even though I am as liberal as they get, I favor restricting immigration.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @donut
  96. Thea says:

    But doesn’t it fit better with their narrative to say that white men have always been marauding rapist barbarians?

  97. Clyde says:
    @eah

    These findings suggest that people were moving into Iberia from Africa more than 3,000 years before the rise of the Roman Empire. “These are cosmopolitan places,” Dr. Reich said.

    And this! Coming from a modern rootless cosmopolitan.

  98. Clyde says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    If you trespassed on tribal land, or were taken prisoner in war, the tribe would debate your fate. If they thought you useful for the tribe, which may mean someone needed a husband or………
    Some of the settlers incorporated into tribes rather liked it. Sarah Parker, mother of Quannah, preferred Comanche life.
    If you were not useful, you would die a horrible death, up to and including torture for three days followed by burning at the stake.

    When I read the old, honest accounts of captured whites being tortured in very creative and time extending ways. I was surprised that the Indian women were mirthful, enthusiastic torturers, laughing all the time at the suffering prisoner. That they got their extreme jollies this way. The Indian men had their tortures, as in skinning alive, and the Indian women had theirs. No cable TV back then, this was their highest entertainment before and after the Europeans arrived. Satanic as the Aztecs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  99. @Cortes

    “The Scots were previously a tribe from NE Ireland,” is how you should have written it. Still, it is confusing and misleading to write it like that, as most people would interpret it as meaning “all Scots were once Irish,” which isn’t true. What we now know as Scotland had many different names, and various settlers, over time. The Scotti who founded Dal Riata were indeed from NI, but traveled a circuitous routes to get there. There were in Britain before crossing to Ireland centuries before they went back to Scotland. Kenneth MacAlpin, their king, warred on the Picts of Pictland before uniting with them. The Lowland kingdoms were mostly invaded by a different group of Celts, though they might have originally been part of the same wave from Scandinavia, the launching point of the Celtic invasions. Scotland eventually became the name of the whole country, but most of the inhabitants were not descended from the Scotti.

    As I’ve written here before, I am descended from one of the very few Y haplogroups to survive the many catastrophies of Britain, from the Storrega tsunamis to the steppe invasions. All I can imagine is that my ancestors had some talent or skill useful to the invaders that allowed the men to continue to live and reproduce. We are found in greater numbers in western Ireland than in England or Scotland.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  100. @Steve Sailer

    I learned some things when my kids were involved in some club sports. Some of the kids in their clubs got athletic scholarships, and some others got preferences in admission to selective colleges (Yale and Columbia to name some big ones)

    Generally, coaches are allowed to give a list of names to the admissions office of scholarship athletes and/or preferred walk ons. If the kids meet the minimum criteria, they are admitted. Granted, the minimum for Yale soccer and Ohio State football are different. One head football coach actually left Wisconsin because the admissions office refused to accept his recruits who wound up places like Michigan.

    Some schools do things differently. When my oldest was applying to a D-3 school, the coach took him to the admissions office and introduced him. The admissions officer read my oldest the riot act and told him if he got his grades up he would be admitted with an academic scholarship, but if not he was SOL. My son got his grades up, and was one of the stars of that team.

  101. @Intelligent Dasein

    “It is extremely difficult to completely exterminate an entire race of males, so difficult in fact that we have no verifiable examples of it ever having been done, even by modern nations states and modern armies wielding the most advanced, industrialized killing apparatuses that the mind of man has yet devised.”

    Er, haven’t we seen more or less this exact “political process” with the Spanish conquest of Latin America, the Vikings and their Irish brides in Iceland, Spain against the Chamorro, etc.? And all of those had technology barely advanced beyond the Yamnaya. (OTOH, it is curious that in the Industrial Age, genocides have been equal opportunity affairs. None of the modern genocideers have wanted to keep the women while exterminating the men. At most, they sometimes rape the women first before exterminating everybody. Hey, progress!(?))

    Re 40%: isn’t the most parsimonious explanation that Iberia was invaded by a group whose males were in number less than 40% (probably about 20%) of the quantity of their own group plus the quantity of the females in the invaded population? It doesn’t matter over how many generations it takes the conquerors to mop up.

    In other words, 20 Yamnaya men and 20 Yamnaya women enter Iberia where there are 60 Iberian men and 60 Iberian women. The 20 Yamnaya men set about exterminating or enslaving the 60 Iberian men while collecting the 60 Iberian women. (Obviously, you can add the appropriate number of zeroes to the right of all these figures.) The process may take any length of time prior to modern genetic studies. Final result: everyone today is descended from 20 Yamnaya men, 20 Yamnaya women and 60 Iberian women. Equals 100% of DNA. But all of the Y-DNA is Yamnaya. Beach Boy ratio: four girls for every boy. By “coincidence” this is exactly the same ratio of wives to husbands in the famously conquestive Islamic law.

  102. Mr. Anon says:
    @The Alarmist

    Those stories of rape, pillage, plunder and murder were just English mythery for propaganda purposes; the “newcomers” for the most part are alleged to have intermarried, settled down, and enriched English culture.

    Those Anglo-Saxon newcomers (as Nancy would call them) to what is now England enriched british culture to the point where they completely supplanted the language of the natives and all the place-names, and named the country after themselves.

    • Replies: @RebelWriter
  103. a reader says:
    @prosa123

    most of the firearms in New Zealand are hunting rifles and shotguns, which are seldom used in crimes.

    Like today.

  104. @Steve Sailer

    To reply again,

    Something else I learned from the recruiting process — if a student gets into a college as a preferred walk on, there is absolutely nothing mandating that student to stay on the team. Some college sports teams assume half the students will leave before their sophomore year. The scholarship students who leave the sport forfeit the rest of their scholarship. The preferred walk ons lose nothing.

  105. @Ron Unz

    You really are heroic, in the way of Murray Rothbard. Thank you.

  106. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    It was our nordic good looks these swarthy babes couldnt resist out strong chins and cheekbones and tall stature and of course our hairs and eyes. so they all just refused to marry their own men no violence needed the old men just died of natural causes and us chads just charmed our way to genetic hegemony within two generation no more short dark men all tall light men,

    • Replies: @Sean
  107. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    when i was a kid i wanted to be an archaeologist I am sure glad that didnt happen they make most of their narratives up and point to some random stone and claim its actually a tool they find some piece of little folk art and invent a whole culture to go with it its a total bullshit job

  108. a reader says:

    It’s who we are!

    Steve, you should keep up to date !

    They are us.

  109. Rebunga says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Some of the original European farmers survived. Most notably on the Island of Sardinia.

  110. @Almost Missouri

    Er, haven’t we seen more or less this exact “political process” with the Spanish conquest of Latin America, the Vikings and their Irish brides in Iceland, Spain against the Chamorro, etc.?

    Er, no, we haven’t. (And by the way, don’t use “er” with me. If there is one thing that instantly marks one as a pompous, pedantic, boomer-posting numnutz, it’s that.) There are plenty of male descendants from the “conquered” lineages in all of those instances; and since those are the most extreme examples we can find, it is tantamount to confessing that the sort of thing fantasized about in these posts never happens in real life.

    Re 40%: isn’t the most parsimonious explanation…[AM’s reply]… Equals 100% of DNA.

    There is no DNA to talk about without talking about a skeleton or a piece of one first. If the skeletons are not a representative cross section of the entire population (and there is every reason to believe that they aren’t), then clearly their DNA cannot tell us much about population genetics.

    Beach Boy ratio: four girls for every boy. By “coincidence” this is exactly the same ratio of wives to husbands in the famously conquestive Islamic law.

    Which none but a tiny sliver of the upper crust of them actually practice, for a variety of reasons, not the least of these being that it’s economically prohibitive. And that’s with today’s resources. If you would like to try supporting yourself, four wives and their offspring, with neolithic technology, after you’ve just exterminated all the farmers, then, brother, have at it.

    Devotees of the conquest explanation will need to explain how that one would have worked.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  111. I – Steve Fan – Yes it is . The NYT is not even remotely news. Everything in it MUST be seen as ruling class propaganda . Since our betters are globalists – and have been for longer than most of us realized – this will only get worse . To quote the great G . Gordon Liddy “ Blood is in the waaater “ .

  112. LOL and thanks, Steve!

    As long as Steve Sailer is around, the bozos at the NYT should rethink whether diseminating this nonsense is a good idea. It may reassure the prog audience, whose brains have been macerating in this stew of nonsense since “The Mismeasure of Man” first appeared, but Steve’s analyses ultimately reach, amuse, and convince a much wider audience. His entertaining and informative musing may even cause less mentally crippled NYT readers to re-examine some of the more inane prog verities they’ve imbibed over the years.

  113. @Almost Missouri

    Those are interesting examples.

    One nice example is Pitcairn Island, where everyone has a last name, and all the last names can be traced back to mutineers on the HMS Bounty.

    The island was settled by a group of mostly white men, a few Tahitian men, and all the women were Tahitian. The Tahitian men were treated not much better than slaves, and no surnames survive from those men.

    Many of the Englishmen who settled the island have had their family names erased, due to female rather than male descendants.

    In fact, by luck of the draw, half the population of the Island has the surname Christian. If there were no illegitimate births, half of the Y chromosomes would trace back to First Mate Fletcher Christian.

    That is a big if. The island is notorious for girls having sex in the fields with older men in the island from about the age of 14. Sometimes willing, sometimes not. It is likely that some of the kids have different surnames from their biological fathers.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  114. moshe says:

    Well I for one, welcome a bit of GoodTalk from my scientific and media superiors or else they wouldn’t be able to get away with doing this research and sharing their findings at all.

    I come not to praise Caesar but to bury him. The evil that men do lives after them…Brutus and Cassius are honorable men as are they all honorable men….

    It’s in the bible too when Caleb and Joshua pseudo-deride Moses in order to get the point oit that he and yahweh really did the Jews a solid with all them plagues n sea splittins n shit.

    Steve, I haven’t read more of the article than you posted but I totally get why the researchers coat these findings with the careful blabla words that they use.

    I get that you’re more into the political and advocacy angle so that the message may matter more than the science but I’m less interested in the political at this time especially since the game is up and even you have no control over it.

    Unfortunately the only control you’ve got is to incite anger and hate in sad sacks like that white boy in new zealand. And that aint good.

    If you have a plan to fortify our cities against invaders (I know,,, let’s vote for Donald Trump!) cool beans. Lacking any actual potent means of advocacy (I know, lets RE-vote for Trump!) I say cool it on the bitterness-stoking front, our audience includes too many sad incel hotheads in search of a cause.

    At this point tis best to lie back and think of George Washington… jaja

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  115. @Name Withheld

    “The Romans didn’t invade Scotland.”

    They did, but like the Brits and Russians with the Afghans, they were clever enough not to stay.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgacus

    “Now, however, the furthest limits of Britain are thrown open, and the unknown always passes for the marvellous. But there are no tribes beyond us, nothing indeed but waves and rocks, and the yet more terrible Romans, from whose oppression escape is vainly sought by obedience and submission.

    Robbers of the world, having by their universal plunder exhausted the land, they rifle the deep. If the enemy be rich, they are rapacious; if he be poor, they lust for dominion; neither the east nor the west has been able to satisfy them. Alone among men they covet with equal eagerness poverty and riches.

    To robbery, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a solitude and call it peace.”

  116. Anonymous[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    In today’s neo-con, turbo capitalist, American style free wheeling free dealing world, the analogue of Bronze Age sheer brute strength machismo is market dominance and quantity of sheer, hard cash – wish enabled those men blessed with a substantial endowment to literally purchase any number of women ‘fairly and freely’ via the Marketplace. There’s absolute no need to clobber Daddy Farmer-Milquetoast over the head to get exclusive poon access to his previous daughter.

    No. The much tabled ‘magic of the Market’ has, in a manner of speaking ‘democratized’ look access and accumulation.
    Hence the porn industry.

  117. @istevefan

    His manifesto, now taken down, claims he was worried about declining white population. Getting married and having lots of white children never crossed his mind as a solution?

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @istevefan
  118. As Vox day said earlier today, all mass migrations end in violence.

  119. mb says: • Website
    @Anon

    The Big Lie of Evolution must go on. The Missing fragments LieLink for evolution between species must be reinforced because while we all know there is evolution and change within a species, the hard evidence for the whole cats mutating into dogs/ monkeys into men paradigm is rather slim to nonexistent on
    the ground.

    • Replies: @Anon
  120. donut says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    What kind of name is Ho Lee Fuk ?

  121. Lot says:
    @Louis Renault

    He addressed that, saying

    1 non white migration was depressing white birthrates

    2 “we can’t beat them at their own game”

    3 Western birthrates actually exceeding muslim migrant birthrates would be an environmental disaster

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  122. istevefan says:
    @Louis Renault

    Getting married and having lots of white children never crossed his mind as a solution?

    He mentioned it. But he also stated there are too many non Europeans already here with higher fertility rates. And that we cannot win a birth war with them. So he felt higher birthrates without sending the foreigners home would not accomplish the intended goal.

  123. If they were smarter and more imaginative the SJW’s could start a campaign against our ‘Yamnaya’ legacy, rather than covering up their genocides. Weren’t these people the original white-ish demons, founders of the Indian caste system and systemic patriarchal violence in Europe?

  124. Ben H says:

    “This urge to retcon prehistory in the most passive voice manner possible, when the genetic evidence of utter barbarism is clear, is awfully strange.”

    This is too ideological to be an organic development. It’s obviously been imposed from above.

  125. donut says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I’ve got several books with accounts of people being taken captive by the Indians . One IIRC concerned two brothers taken captive by the Comanches in Texas one about 11 and the other 14 . The younger one was returned after about 6 mos. and readapted , the older one was with a different band for over a year and never readapted , instead like Cynthia Ann Parker he wasted away . Another story concerned a young man taken captive in the NE so maybe late 18th century . He was with the tribe < a year and wanted to go home . At one point during the harsh winter when times were tough he was left alone to care for an old man and a young boy while everybody else went to find food . He realized that he could just take off but he didn't because he knew they needed him to survive . The people in those examples were adapted into the tribes . Some captives were treated as slaves and had a different experience altogether . One captive's owner who had treated him badly took him along on a trip to some pow wow , just the two of them . When his master was bent down drinking some water from a stream he bashed his brains out with a rock and escaped .

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  126. @Paleo Liberal

    Pitcairn would be an easy and revealing genetic study.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  127. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    Where can one read it?

    • Replies: @Lot
  128. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @moshe

    but I’m less interested in the political at this time especially since the game is up

    What do you mean? What is the game?

  129. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter

    As I’ve written here before, I am descended from one of the very few Y haplogroups to survive the many catastrophies of Britain, from the Storrega tsunamis to the steppe invasions. All I can imagine is that my ancestors had some talent or skill useful to the invaders that allowed the men to continue to live and reproduce. We are found in greater numbers in western Ireland than in England or Scotland.

    How can people learn their genetic origins to such specificity? 23andMe only does the level of specificity of “British”.

    • Replies: @RebelWriter
  130. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    When I read the old, honest accounts of captured whites being tortured in very creative and time extending ways.

    Where can one read old, honest accounts?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  131. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @Logan

    Then we finally deciphered their writing and discovered they were incredibly warlike and brutal, with the national sport being the public torture to death of captured enemies.

    Citation?

    • Replies: @Logan
  132. TheJester says:

    iSteve,

    I see what you have done with the word “trope”: if you press a trope and it finds traction, it’s true by definition. Hence, “truth” is nothing but a battle-of-the-megaphones. Whoever’s megaphone is loudest speaks “truth”. Heads I win, tails you lose … if ((( you))) have more money than the other guy to buy megaphones.

    I like the way the impact of massive immigration was addressed in your blog last year. “We [immigrants] roam the countryside in the search of interesting places filled with interesting people … and when we find them we kill them [at least the men and the boys].”

    The trope that massive immigration can suddenly spell the end of a genotype through “peaceful political processes” does not pass an elementary sanity check. It is a trope narrated in the Theater of the Absurd.

    I suspect that the people of Northern Europe are slowly waking up to the fact that massive immigration constitutes the death-knell of their societies … in spite of the tropes about the value of diversity. For Sweden, Germany, France, and the Netherlands, however, it might already be too late.

    P.S. Mea Culpa. I know I’ve overused the word “trope”, which, it seems, is a synonym for nonsense.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  133. @Ron Unz

    Ron:

    Your print directory often freezes up in many browsers. Also, is there any way to do a search by subject rather than author? If there is it won’t work for me because it’s really slow.

    thanks

  134. res says:
    @gcochran

    Could you elaborate, Greg? The paper’s actual claim seems at least possible to me.
    http://science.sciencemag.org/content/344/6189/1280

    Abstract (emphasis mine):

    Mexico harbors great cultural and ethnic diversity, yet fine-scale patterns of human genome-wide variation from this region remain largely uncharacterized. We studied genomic variation within Mexico from over 1000 individuals representing 20 indigenous and 11 mestizo populations. We found striking genetic stratification among indigenous populations within Mexico at varying degrees of geographic isolation. Some groups were as differentiated as Europeans are from East Asians. Pre-Columbian genetic substructure is recapitulated in the indigenous ancestry of admixed mestizo individuals across the country. Furthermore, two independently phenotyped cohorts of Mexicans and Mexican Americans showed a significant association between subcontinental ancestry and lung function. Thus, accounting for fine-scale ancestry patterns is critical for medical and population genetic studies within Mexico, in Mexican-descent populations, and likely in many other populations worldwide.

    Looking at the paper itself, it looks like there is one extreme outlier population. Labeled SER in NW Mexico in Figure 1. I think this is the Seri: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seri_people

    But the paper is odd in that it provides YRI and CEU comparisons, but no hard data for Asian populations (that I see).

    Looking at Panel A of Figure 1 (which should really have at least one Asian population to make a comparison possible) and observing that the PC3 axis containing most of the Mexican variation only explains 0.9% of variance makes me skeptical of their claim.

    Based on this excerpt for the Figure 1 caption:

    TreeMix graph representing population splitting patterns of the 20 Native Mexican groups studied. The length of the branch is proportional to the drift of each population. African, European, and Asian samples were used as outgroups to root the tree (fig. S9).

    I think Figure S9 (and perhaps other parts of the Supplementary Materials) would clarify this. But I do not see any source for the Supplementary Materials.

    In brief, I suspect you are right to call BS, but would like to see more decisive evidence.

    P.S. I found the Supplementary Material at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4156478/
    Why on Earth would they choose a 3 population model (YRI, CEU, NAT-Native American) and leave out Asians given the likely migration path for Native Americans?!

    The text “Asia” does not appear in that file. Figure S9 does include the CHB (Han Chinese) population, but only in panel A. They also reference JPT (Japanese in Tokyo) in Figure S18 and both CHB and JPT in the text.

    Figure S9A seems like the basis of their claim, but I am skeptical given what looks like a very selective presentation of evidence. I would very much like to see a PCA plot including CEU, CHB, and NAT groups.

  135. res says:
    @jim jones

    It beats me why Muslims walk around in their tribal clothing, don`t they realize that this is bound to provoke some people.

    I think you answered your own question.

    Though there are less harsh explanations. Like they enjoy their tribal clothing and want to remember their origins. You see that sometimes in European subgroups doing stereotypical things as group celebrations (e.g. kilts and bagpipes). You just tend not to see that in day to day life so much. That whole assimilation idea which is very much not Current Year.

  136. res says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Robert E. Howard
    _The Complete Works of Robert E. Howard_.

    Several sources, search for the title.

    Any specific recommendations for a source? The Amazon reviews I see for https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Works-Robert-Howard-ebook/dp/B00FKFTORA
    are discouraging.

    This one has better reviews: https://www.amazon.com/The-Robert-E-Howard-Omnibus-99-Collected-Stories-Halcyon-Classics/dp/B003O86R5M

  137. @Intelligent Dasein

    don’t use “er” with me.

    “Er” is a shorthand way of saying, “I was working to follow in your mental footsteps, because I consider your comments worth that effort, when I noticed what may be a missing step.” But “er” is shorter. Nevertheless, your distaste for the two letters is duly noted.

    There are plenty of male descendants from the “conquered” lineages in all of those instances

    True, but they are distinctly in the minority. Furthermore, they are in the minority in direct proportion to how long the conquerors have been having their way and how small subject population is. Latin American conquest started just half a millennium ago in a very large area. Result (so far): partial dilution of indigenous Y-DNA. Icelandic settlement started a full millennium ago, small area. Result today: Celtic Y-DNA in very deep minority.

    It is straightforward to extend the pattern back five millennia to the Yamnaya in the smallish Iberian peninsula where indigenous settlement was likely sparse. Result: indigenous Y-DNA now extinct.

    since those are the most extreme examples we can find

    They’re not the most extreme, they are just recent examples that happened within recorded history, so there is not much controversy about what took place. The Yamnaya are pre-historical, so we can’t compare to written records. But we can compare to younger, documented processes, even if they have not yet had time to reach their terminal state.

    the skeletons are not a representative cross section of the entire population (and there is every reason to believe that they aren’t), then clearly their DNA cannot tell us much about population genetics.

    Not sure why we know that they are not representative, but even if we did, I don’t see how it matters. The relevant fact here is that a type of Iberian Y-DNA used to exist that no longer does. Finding more ancient skeletons would just re-confirm that Iberian Y-DNA used to exist, but we already know that. It would be interesting to find that ancient Iberian Y-DNA still does exist, like maybe among Basques or something, but a) that looks unlikely, and b) that doesn’t involve ancient skeletons, it just involves getting Spaniards to spit into tubes.

    Beach Boy ratio: four girls for every boy. By “coincidence” this is exactly the same ratio of wives to husbands in the famously conquestive Islamic law.

    Which none but a tiny sliver of the upper crust of them actually practice, for a variety of reasons, not the least of these being that it’s economically prohibitive. And that’s with today’s resources. If you would like to try supporting yourself, four wives and their offspring, with neolithic technology, after you’ve just exterminated all the farmers, then, brother, have at it.

    Laws need not be used by everyone to be meaningful laws. Laws are made by and for the rulers to codify their preferences. The great thing about conquest, though, is—at least among the conquerors—a much greater portion can be the rulers/upper crust/nobility/whatever as they are buoyed up by the conquered new underclass. So the only neolithic technology you really need for that upper crust lifestyle is the battleaxe. The conquered will do all that support drudgery for you. At least until the conquest wave stops and the logic of static economics takes over. Then the reality of living “sustainably” starts to dawn, and wife booty laws come to seem like quaint anachronisms again.

  138. res says:
    @Yak-15

    It’s not necessary for them to kill every single man.

    Indeed. Killing every single male child would be enough if the adult males fled.

  139. res says:
    @John Gruskos

    How about “Peace-Axe-Culture”? Peace was the long term result. Or maybe “Empowerment-Axe-Culture” for a Current Year flavor.

  140. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Thanks for providing yet another example of someone twisting a statement of fact into a question of motive.
    Somewhere, Hannah Arendt is smiling sardonically.

  141. dr kill says:
    @syonredux

    Roberto Tisch, Robert Reich, what’s the difference. What did Weissmann say, Viva la Resistance?

  142. Jason Liu says:
    @Ron Unz

    Agreed with this observation. I often read books from the early 20th century because they’re so much more candid, outdated or not.

    Modern academia needs a purge.

  143. @Potato eater

    This New Zealand guy supports Trump and wants to ensure Civil War here over the 2nd Amendment

    Well, it is claimed he supports Trump etc.

    Just how is a mass shooting in New Zealand going to ensure Civil War in the US and why does an Australian care?

    They have lots of gun restrictions over there …

    Sounds like desperation on the part of some people.

  144. songbird says:

    I thought I recognized the name Risch, which left me puzzled as to why he would take this tack. Turns out I was thinking of a guy called Neil Risch, who had rebutted the idea that race is just a social construct, which was a sentiment that even the NEMJ had started to repeat.

  145. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @moshe

    “There was a shooting on the other side of the world therefore you’re not allowed to speak the truth”. This is such a cowardly and disingenuous argument. You’re a disgusting and pathetic person.

  146. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes

    So you think nationalism is bad but violence is good? What are you? You criticize white nationalists yet you’re one of the most hateful commenters here. Every comment you make is a seething sperg rant filled with rage and hostility for no reason.

  147. peterike says:
    @res

    Any specific recommendations for a source?

    The Delphi Classics series is your best bet for “complete works of X”. The production values are generally very good (if not perfect). And you can get gobs of great reading for about 3 bucks a throw. But this is electronic, Kindle and such.

    For example, a lot of the American novelists you may have heard about in college if you specialized in literature are known for a few books. Take one of my favorites, William Dean Howells. If you heard of him at all, you probably heard of The Rise of Silas Lapham, A Hazard of New Fortunes and maybe one or two others. But he wrote something like 40 novels, to say nothing of travel books, short stories, criticism, biography, etc. You can get all of it for three bucks on Delphi. You can seriously read excellent quality content for the next year or two for three bucks.

    Here’s the Robert E. Howard book. Note that the U.S. edition is not complete (missing 72 stories out of 199) because some works are still under copyright protection. Apparently, you can get a U.K. edition where the rules don’t apply, though now sure how you’d manage.

    https://www.delphiclassics.com/?s=robert+e+howard&post_type=product

    • Replies: @res
  148. Thea says:

    They didn’t have to kill the men. They could have just castrated and enslaved them. The tranny fad goes way back -just not voluntarily.

  149. Anonymous[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cortes

    Most likely the Medievalists who composed that Declaration made the connection with ‘Scythia’ solely on the basis of the remote sound alike with ‘Scotia’, plus a little Classical reading – and a lot of fancible fantasy.

    Similar to how a feigned ancestry from ‘Brutus’ was claimed for the British.

    As it happens, the Beaker Folk from whom the Scots are said to ultimately derive, are claimed to have made their way to the Isles from the Steppe via Germany, where they had a long sojourn.

    It is fanciful to suggest that any ‘folk memory’ was retained of their distant ancestors’ life in the Steppe.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  150. Nick Diaz says:

    Steve Sailer:

    “So why are you nativists worried about a few newcomers showing up in your country? Look at prehistory! The same thing happened then. It worked out fine, just fine. It’s migration, it’s natural, it’s inevitable. It’s who we are”

    Because, of course, a military invasion where invaders are primarilly male warriors is exactly the same as modern legal immigration, where the immigrant is usually a worker, in many cases with a family, and goes through an entire bureaucratic process to earn citizenship. Yeah, your comparisons are brilliant, Steve Sailer.

    “It’s weird how progressives don’t believe in progress anymore. Instead of saying, “Yeah, it was horrible back then. Fortunately, we’ve progressed past barbarism and now have civilized inventions like borders and laws to prevent these kind of genocidal clashes,”

    How disingenuous of you to try to make it seem like the cause of a problem is the solution to it. At the root of every invasion and empire, is nationalism. Imperialism is just the natural evolution of nationalism when a nation becomes powerful enough. When the ancient Roman legions went to war and invaded other people’s countries and tribes, they did it for the glory of Rome, and usually not to defend their borders from invaders, at least not during the Republic and early Empire. Even America with it’s isolationist policy created the Monroe Doctrine, of “soft”domination over Latin America.

    It is the mentality of nationalism, which is tribalism, that leads to invasions and wars. The belief that you belong to an in-group that has a higher moral imperative over those who are not in your in-group. Contempt/hostility for other countries is the flip side of love of country. The feeling that creates Patriotism is exactly analogous to the feeling that creates racism: that you belong to a group of people that are better than other people. And that, because of that, has a higher moral value than people who do not belong to your group.

    Stating that nationalism is the “civilized factor” that stops wars is completely outrageous. I estimate that nationalism is responsible for literally 80% of all wars, with the reamaning 20% being caused by religion. To quote Albert Einstein:

    “Nationalism is the cancer of Mankind.”

    No, Sailer, the factor that resulted in a decrease in wars over the centuries is *universalism*, the opposite of nationalism. It is giving moral value to all human beings, regardless of their nationality or ethnicity. The West does not have wars as it used to because of the triumph of Enlightenement values, which emphasize human beings and their rights, and not race or nationality. Going back to the example of ancient Rome, the Latins and the Sabines warred constantly, until they merged into a single people and both Latins and Sabines started to ascribed moral value to members of the other tribe. Then, they never went to war again. Now imagine if this sort of tribalism ended World-wide. If all human beings in the World ascribed moral value to others as human beings and not as members of a tribe(and “tribe” here can mean nation, religion or race, or a an in-group that has moral superiority over others).

    You talk of nationalism as being progressive…nationalism was an old idea even at the start of WWI. What is really literally progressive is for us to abandon all these atavisms such as nationalism and racism, and ascribe moral value to human beings and not in-groups like nations and races. This is what has been decreasing wars for the past decades.

    Your entire argument revolves around peoples in their in-groups having less conflict with each other then people from different in-groups being forced to co-exist. And while you are right that, in this sense, “good fences make for good neighbors”, what you don’t grasp is that while nartionalism might create higher levels of harmony in the in-group of the nation, it creates *less* harmony on a continental/global scale by reinforcing tribalism. Nationalism is the feeling that created the European diasters of WWI and WWII. That nationalism is a force for international conflict is not debatable. Your argument that nationalism dissuades invasions is not only contradicted by evidence, but it is also logically flawed in the sense that it nationalism is the manifestation of the exactly feeling that leads to violence on large scales, namely, tribalims, the feeling of belonging to an in-group that has more value for oneself than human beings that belong to other in-groups.

    It would be much better to invest in the idea of human beings being innately valuable, and not groups. Nationalism might decrease conflict between in-groups by separating them, but that does not end violence on a larger scale because it does not alter the *mentality* that leads to violence, which is tribalism, the feeling of belonging to an in-group that is morally better than people outside the in-group. You can separate in-groups, but you can never stop stronger in-groups from predating on weaker ones because in-groups simply do not ascribe the same moral value to people in other in-groups as they do to people in their own in-groups. As long as tribalism exist, the potential for conflict will be there.

    What we need are *less* borders and more empasis on humanistic values. Nationalism and separation are just stop-gates that decrease violence between in-groups in the small territory of a nation, but does nothing to mitigate it on a larger scale. After all, we all share the same planet. We cannot escape the reality of limited resources and that in-groups cannot avoid competing with others over them. Reinforcing tribalism is a terrible solution because in-groups simply do not ascribe the same moral value to those outside the in-group. This means that, on a planet with limited resources, stronger in-groups *will* use their power to disenfranchise other weaker in-groups. The only solution to decrease conflict on a grand scale is to end tribalims and emphasize human beings.

    The existence of in-groups means always the potential for violence by dehumanizing the other that does not belong to the in-group. Harmony inside nations means conflict between nations. It comes with the territoty of tribalism.

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
  151. Does anyone know what kind of name Zimmer is? What racial/ethnic/religious group it may belong to? Or what racial/ethnic/religious group a New York Times writer is likely to belong to? That may explain the desire to be less than honest about events both past and present.

  152. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown

    March 13, 1996 – school shooting in remote Dunblane, Scotland. The shooter’s background is has large gaps. The incident is quickly followed by comprehensive gun ban throughout UK under the leadership of the deeply compromised (pedophilia?) PM, Anthony “Tony” Blair. Blair spent part of his youth in Melbourne, Australia.

    April 28-29, 1996 (i.e. within six weeks of Dunblane) mass shooting in remote Port Arthur, Tasmania, Australia with 35 killed and 23 wounded. “The murderer, Martin Bryant, had a subnormal IQ and intellectual disabilities” but still managed to pull off this stunt. The incident is quickly followed by a draconian gun ban throughout Australia.

    March 15, 2019 mosque shooting in Christchurch, New Zealand. Prime minister Jacinda Ardern promptly warns New Zealanders against sharing the video (what does the video give away?), and announces that the country’s gun laws will change in response to a hate-filled terror attack targeting two mosques in Christchurch. One of the shooters is said to be an unemployed Australian who nonetheless managed to buy guns in New Zealand.

    As poster Clifford Brown has noted, the Christchurch incident is an Alinskyite agitator’s wet dream:

    Very bizarre incident, but apparently real [perhaps real, but likely staged – far too convenient in location and political timing relative to U.S. politics]. The shooter’s machine gun was covered in far right internet memes. [Very considerate of shooter. A picture is worth 1000 words.]

    His Twitter page, which should be taken down shortly, was basically a compendium of every right wing video on Youtube. All posted in the last few days. Most of the videos were not violent in nature. This could likely lead to massive Internet censorship across the board in all nations. I think the age of massive censorship is upon us.

    It appears that several suspects have been arrested in New Zealand, but the “authorities” are curiously quiet about the details.

    By the merest coincidence, Deep State organizations in the U.S., UK, Australia and New Zealand have been building up a close cooperative relationship since World War II commonly known as the “Five Eyes” relationship. Presumably, it is now the turn of Canada to stage another incident to move the totalitarian “Narrative” forward.

  153. @Jonathan Mason

    Maybe Risch cannot (or does not wish to) distinguish history from literature.

  154. @res

    https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Works-Robert-Howard-ebook/dp/B00FKFTORA is the one I have. It’s only almost the complete works, apparently Howard wrote some Sherlock Holmes related material that is absent. The text is also in bad shape. Punctuation is quite often missing, and the occasional word is wrong. Looks like somebody use text recognition software and didn’t bother to edit.
    However, this is pulp fiction. Light reading. The meaning is clear enough, and you can figure out what the punctuation should have been. If you want to you can report typos, and they will be corrected. And — the price is right.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @res
  155. Sean says:
    @anon

    No. All the native men and boys had their brains bashed in. There were not many invader men, and many native women that had no trouble getting mated because one man can have many women, and in fact the native women probabally all got mated whether they wanted to or not.

    The problem for the native women was getting the invader men to behave like husbands willing look after the native women and their children with the invaders. The Yamnaya invader men had an excess of conquered native slave women and had to choose which ones to look after. This is connected to the fact that when in the Bronze Age the Yamnaya showed up in Europe the ancestral (ie dark skin) SLC24A5, which was very common, suddenly disappeared from Europe.

    Silvia Saint

    Stoya

    Imaging you are a Yamnaya warlord who has killed the conquered men and can have sex with any and all the native women, and you do. They’ll all get pregnant, but not all can or will be cared for. Which one looks of the above photos looks the most vulnerable and appealing. Not sexy because when the women are simply sex slaves so all get mated, and there is no pay off for winning the competition to be merely sexy. I think if you were your average Bronze Age psychopath, Stoya is the one you would want to look after; not all that sexy, but pale and interesting long term because of it. The areas where there was the greatest replacement of Neolithic farmers by the Yamnaya or BellBeaker invaders, such as Ireland, are the same areas where skin is today lightest.

    It might be objected that this process could only last one generation but that is forgetting patriarchy and polygyny. In the surviving Mormon polygamist sect there are expulsions of boys by the elders who want the young girls for themselves . The Yamnaya’s young men were sent off to train as a member of a wolf pack and prey on hapless farmers, murdering all the men , taking the women and settling down with whichever one held their interest. In every generation the process would repeat itself, as the young men got sent off raiding and thus it had an inbuilt dynamic for expansion. This rolling wave of predatory farmer killing and farmer’s wife and daughter stealing is how the Yamnaya conquest swept across Europe. It passed into myths like Romulus and Remus, and the rape of the Sabine women.

  156. res says:
    @peterike

    Thanks, but AFAICT the first Amazon link I gave goes to the same place as this Amazon link for the Delphi version: https://www.amazon.com/Delphi-Complete-Robert-Howard-Illustrated-ebook/dp/B00JBTFU42

    Not sure what to make of the reviews in that light given that Amazon has the bad habit of combining reviews for different versions of books. I searched the reviews for “Delphi” but had no hits.

  157. res says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Thank you. Given that I think I will try the Conan PDF I linked above first.

  158. Eagle Eye says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Er, haven’t we seen more or less this exact “political process” with … Vikings and their Irish brides in Iceland,

    In fairness, there were apparently no natives in Iceland prior to the Vikings. Also, the Iceland-bound Vikings probably did not wipe out the Irish villagers whose womenfolk they picked up – if they had, they could have stayed in Ireland instead of undertaking the dangerous journey to remote Iceland.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  159. J1234 says:

    “Oh it was really nice back then….”

    Like I say: conservatives wish it was 1957 again and progressives wish it was 1957 BC again (no pollution, global warming, oppressive Christian church…and no such thing as race.)

  160. @MBlanc46

    Hollywood – the Hollywood you are thinking about – – – – might not be alive there anymore, so to speak.

    But I understand quite well, why you hinted at the Rules of Order, especially since the
    book’s purpose is “to arrive at the general will on the maximum number of questions of varying complexity in a minimum amount of time and under all kinds of internal climate ranging from total harmony to hardened or impassioned division of opinion.”
    (Ok, I plead guilty – my italics)

    And – doesn’t this sound like a high-minded summary of Conan the Barbarian (quoted above too by Steve Sailer): “To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.”

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  161. anon[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Iberian television and the glossy mags of the day routinely featured happy and pretty Iberian women with their grinning Yamnaya husbands and adorable kids.

    Some say that whether or not glossy mags and TV existed back then is highly debatable. But I will leave the final word to experts like Dr. Risch.

  162. Anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    To be honest, I was expecting something like this after those two Swedish girls were killed in Morocco, but in Sweden or Scandinavia, not freaking New Zealand.

  163. @Almost Missouri

    Is a failure of imagination a prerequisite to becoming an archaeologist nowadays?

    Well, you need to be good at fantasies. But – this might be the astonishing part in this whole story: As an archeologist, you are not expected to have fantasies about the past so much, but preferably about the present instead. – Steven Jay Gould therefore is the prototypical archeologist of our self-obsessed times. With Stephen Fry and Adam Rutherford two of his very popular and successful pupils.

    Here is Stephen Fry in the footsteps of Adam Rutherford:

  164. Cortes says:
    @Anonymous

    Since the signatories were overwhelmingly Norman in immediate background, I’m under no illusions about their own family origins. An incoming ruling class shearing off into a new polity maybe finds it convenient to adopt the foundation myths of the local subjugated population?

    As for “fanciful memory” as a basis for history, the nonsense of “fake news” renders the oral tradition supposedly practiced by the Druids quite attractive. Error may occur but would be “ called out” promptly.

  165. Cortes says:
    @Eagle Eye

    In Finlay J. MacDonald’s “Crowdie and Cream”, a memoir of childhood in the island where the mother of the current POTUS grew up at the same time, not far away, there’s a terrific depiction of a formal betrothal made in the format of the sale of a “boat” (the future bride and mother). No further spoiler details here.

    I suspect that the Irishwomen were purchased and “carried off” to Iceland in a similar manner.

    NB – there’s a BBC ALBA (Gaelic) series of Crowdie and Cream from about 2000.

  166. @Almost Missouri

    I think the Pitcairn Island genealogy tables are known. DNA studies would only add to it by identifying cuckoo’s egg children.

    The genealogy suggests a pretty Hobbesian war of all against all largely won by the descendants of Fletcher Christian.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  167. @Ron Unz

    Ron, you are a paragon among men.

  168. gregor says:
    @Name Withheld

    The Basque preserved their culture (and genes).

    Given that Basque is pretty much the only surviving pre-Indo-European language in Europe, you might assume that they must have somehow avoided the Indo-European invaders. But if you look at the Y-chromosome distributions of Europe, you might be surprised to see that the Basques are over 85% R1b, the primary steppe invader lineage. This means there was severe replacement of the original Basque men. In a way, it’s not that crazy for the maternal language to survive over the paternal language. But the divergence is still a bit counterintuitive.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  169. Anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    Using women to kill your captive enemies is a calculated humiliation. Adding insult to injury. The Muslims are doing the same thing when they use children as executioners.

  170. @Anonymous

    I used up my LOL, so this is my LOL. Your comment captures the absurdity of Zimmer’s dopiness perfectly.

  171. Cortes says:
    @gregor

    Language/culture are not equivalent to genes.

    History applies.

  172. @Anonymous

    Through an expensive “Big Y” analysis offered by FTDNA, and additional analysis from Y-Full, AND the work of some very good folks in my Y DNA project on FTDNA.

    My haplogroup originated in Britain ca. 6700 years ago, the result of a polymorphism in a child of an earlier ancestor. L161 split into Isles A and B in Britain. Isles B seems to have remained in Britain, while most of Isles A went to Ireland. My line of A stayed in Britain. I can trace them to Scotland in 1655, but they most likely fled there from SE England centuries ago, maybe even before it was called Scotland.

    Current theory is that there were several attempts made at settling Britain over the centuries, but it wasn’t until after the last glacial maximum that one was successful, and L161 was a part of that, in fact it appears to have been the majority of it. Testing of ancient DNA shows that nearly all male lines from HG’s in Western Europe were I, and mostly I2 or I2a. I guess I should add, “among those remains found and tested.”

    I have a nice graphic one of the project members made, but I don’t know how to upload it here.

    The highest concentrations of I2a in the world today exists among the men of Sardinia and the Balkans, especially Romania, areas the Aryans didn’t conquer. There was also a glacial refugium there. In no place in Western Europe today do they exceed 10% of the male population, and the highest rates are in Western Ireland. Last year a paper was published that estimated the replacement rate of HG and EEF male lines by steppe invaders at 95%.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  173. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Gradually, tensions and rivalries arose over the increasing extent to which the Europeans regarded the Tahitians as their property, in particular the women who, according to Alexander, were “passed around from one ‘husband’ to the other”.[185] In September 1793 matters degenerated into extreme violence, when five of the mutineers—Christian, Williams, Martin, Mills, and Brown—were killed by Tahitians in a carefully executed series of murders. Christian was set upon while working in his fields, first shot and then butchered with an axe; his last words, supposedly, were: “Oh, dear!”[188][n 12]

    In-fighting continued thereafter, and by 1794 the six Tahitian men were all dead, killed either by the widows of the murdered mutineers or by each other.[190] Two of the four surviving mutineers, Young and Adams, assumed leadership and secured a tenuous calm, which was disrupted by the drunkenness of McCoy and Quintal’s after the former distilled an alcoholic beverage from a local plant.[183]

    Some of the women attempted to leave the island in a makeshift boat but could not launch it successfully. Life continued uneasily until McCoy’s suicide in 1798. A year later, after Quintal threatened fresh murder and mayhem, Adams and Young killed him and were able to restore peace.[191]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny_on_the_Bounty#Settlement

  174. @Almost Missouri

    “In other words, 20 Yamnaya men and 20 Yamnaya women enter Iberia…”

    This is not what happened at all. All the various steppe invasions were groups of men, probably mostly young men with some slightly older leaders. They took their wives from the local populations they conquered. They don’t appear to have taken women with them. This has been established in many different DNA studies. Most of Western Europeans are the descendants of steppe invader males and either HG or EEF females. Y and Mt DNA studies prove this beyond any doubt.

    The reasons for this are speculations, sure, but sound entirely reasonable. The steppe invaders, or Aryans, Yamnaya, Bell Beakers, or whatever you want to call them, had a warrior/hero based society, where powerful men got as many women as they could afford, which meant there weren’t enough women for the younger men who hadn’t yet earned their places in society. They had to go out and take them from weaker social groups, i.e. hunter gatherers and early European farmers, who didn’t have a warrior class, chariots, or bronze weapons. I think it can be safely surmised that this was what caused the invasions.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  175. @Mr. Anon

    Except that the Britons weren’t the natives, but invaders who had replaced previously replaced the natives.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  176. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheJester

    The trope that massive immigration can suddenly spell the end of a genotype through “peaceful political processes” does not pass an elementary sanity check. It is a trope narrated in the Theater of the Absurd.

    What is so insane about the idea?

  177. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter

    Thank you

  178. @Clifford Brown

    His Twitter page,\ …was basically a compendium of every right wing video on Youtube. *All posted in the last few days*.

  179. @Yak-15

    That was a lot of wasted thought on a misconceived, incorrect understanding.

    You’re partially right about that, only I wasn’t the one doing the misunderstanding. Your criticism really needs to be directed towards the [C]onanists and their fantasies.

  180. sb says:
    @Kratoklastes

    If it makes you feel any better this Australian would love to see the free entry open border situation between Australa and New Zealand closed .
    Australia has always been by far the net loser in this antiquated deal .
    It has increasingly become a scam for people from third countries to use New Zealand as Australia’s waiting room
    It belongs to the Nineteenth Century when we were all British Subjects together and in theory could move freely around the Empire .

    The NZers who make a positive contribution -and I’ve known a few – would still be able to come to Australia via the usual immigration arrangements

  181. @RebelWriter

    I haven’t seen these studies. Can you point me to some?

    • Replies: @RebelWriter
  182. @Almost Missouri

    Here’s one:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/09/30/078360.full.pdf

    This is the big one that came out last year:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973796/

    Reich’s book also goes into this a bit. Razib Khan has touched on it a lot.

    Now I’m a complete layman, first off, so I make no claims to expertise in anything other than what I do for a living, which isn’t at all related to any of this. I have, however, been a fan of history since I was a child, and have read a good deal, including about the Celts, the Celtic invasions, etc. I have, for instance, read at least one translation each of all the Irish Mythological Cycles. The invasions were one area of interest for me. Later I started researching my geneaology, and the two interests overlapped.

    There was a period of time when what Sailer refers to as the “pots not people” theory of the Indo European language and culture started to become the dominant narrative. I can’t remember his name, a common problem I have (I think it was Sykes), but one scientist did an early mtDNA study of the British Isles and determined that there had never been any invasion, and further that none of the later invasions had any significant impact on the gene pool of the Isles. Most Brits, he claimed, were the descendants of the first peoples who migrated there.

    Then Cambridge started their genetic study of the autosomal DNA of Britian. One of their main goasl at the time was to determine the genetic impact of the Viking invasions. There is a very good series of videos by the BBC available on this study. They could not determine the impact of the Viking invasions, because the Germanic DNA of the Angles, Saxons, Frisians, and Jutes was almost identical to that of the Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish Vikings. They could easily differentiate the Celtic Brits from the rest, however.

    It wasn’t until around 2015 that Y DNA analysis became affordable enough for wide scale studies, and that’s when it became abundantly apparent that it was people not pots, and the theory of the invasions was proved by genetic science. Not to put too fine a point on it, but studying the women said there was no invasion, because the female lines were HG and EEF. Studying the male lines said there was an invasion, because most of them were Indo European. In Ireland itself 80% of the male lines are Indo European, and RL-21, aka Atlantic Celt, is the overwhelming majority of those male lines.

    Now we’re getting much finer analysis, and discovering things such as the fact that there was never a single group of Indo Europeans, but rather multiple groups that came in different waves. We are able to differentiate the various invaders of Britain in fine detail by ever more specific haplogroups. I haven’t read yet where Cambridge have taken another shot at studying the impact of the Vikings, but it is well within their reach to do so now.

    The handiest resource for keeping up with the state of genetic study and technology is Razib Khan’s blog. He updates nearly every day. It is razib.com. Click on the “Total Content Feed” icon for an improved interface. I also check Eupedia.com on occasion, but it’s not as authoritative as Razib’s blog.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Anonymous
  183. syonredux says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Puerto Rico saw total Amerind Y-Chromosome replacement:

    “Our Genographic team learned some key pieces of information that helped us gain more insight into the peopling of the Caribbean. Most surprisingly, we found that roughly 60% of Puerto Ricans carry maternal lineages of Native American origin. Native American ancestry, higher than nearly any other Caribbean island, originated from groups migrating to Puerto Rico from both South and Central America. Analysis of the Y Chromosome DNA found that no Puerto Rican men (0%) carried indigenous paternal lineages, while more than 80% were West Eurasian (or European).”

  184. Sean says:
    @RebelWriter

    Razib does have knowledge, but he has never really budged from his original hypothesis and refuses to acknowledge that the sudden disappearance of ancestral (dark) skin genes from Europe had in the Bronze age may have had anything to with those genes conferring a disadvantage in the eyes of Bronze age invaders. He is not alone in resisting that possibility of course, HBDers like Gregory Cochran of West Hunter and Peter Frost have not budged from their pre Reich (a Copper (Axe) Age Y-replacement) beliefs either.

    In Ireland itself 80% of the male lines are Indo European, and RL-21, aka Atlantic Celt, is the overwhelming majority of those male lines.

    I am sure it is a coincidence that Ireland has the palest skin in the world.

    • Replies: @RebelWriter
    , @Anonymous
    , @Clyde
  185. @Kratoklastes

    Maori would be in agreement with a program of mass immigration of Asians and Middle Easterners to NZ and with a massive benefits package and affirmative action set-asides in the workforce for the new immigrant population?

  186. @Nick Diaz

    Soviet Communists were humanist internationalists-with 25,000 nukes and columns of tanks at the ready for every satellite state that didn’t agree with the Soviet humanist redistributionist program. By the way, does your open-borders humanism for these lowly “workers” permit the elimination of trillions in redistributed wealth for them in the form of one welfare program or subsidy and elimination of affirmative action benefits in the workplace and in college admissions? Your humanism seems to be no different than any other 20C plan for redistribution of wealth, except that this time, the wealth flow is from the Global (i.e. White) North to the Global (i.e. non-white) South. Therefore, your humanism reeks of hostility and anti-white humanistic racism.

    • Agree: Clyde
  187. @Sean

    It is also a coincidence that Iberia, having the highest concentration of steppe invader Y descent, has darker skin (and hair) than Ireland? Iberia and Ireland share so much autosomal DNA that there are theories that Ireland was settled from Spain. That theory has many adamant supporters.

    The men you listed simply say that they have yet to see scientific evidence to support an answer to the question. I follow Razib more closely, because he’s more active, but I follow Cochran on Twitter, too. I follow them because they are evidence based scientists. The evidence has lead them to conclusions the PC crowd is unhappy about, and in this case, the Aryan lovers aren’t happy. They don’t do science to make people happy. They follow the evidence to find answers. The skin color question doesn’t yet have an answer, but we’re getting closer every day.

    • Replies: @Sean
  188. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter

    In Ireland itself 80% of the male lines are Indo European, and RL-21, aka Atlantic Celt, is the overwhelming majority of those male lines.

    I thought the Celts were the indigenous and not themselves Indo European and were pushed to the edges of the British Isles, into Ireland, by the Indo-Europeans, like the Germanic groups.

    • Replies: @RebelWriter
  189. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    I am sure it is a coincidence that Ireland has the palest skin in the world.

    Why wouldn’t it be a coincidence?

  190. @Anonymous

    No. A lot of people like to think that, including the Welsh, Cornish, and Gaelic Scots & Irish. Many still insist that such is the truth. However archeology and ancient DNA say otherwise. The Western Hunter Gatherers were there first, and were the only true aboriginal Britons. The Early European Farmers came next, in much greater numbers, and were the people who created the stone circles and burial crypts. The Celts were the first Indo European invaders. Every succeeding invasion was by a different group of mostly Indo European people.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  191. Sean says:
    @RebelWriter

    Those two have been half saying one of the two main genes for skin lightening spread from the east into Europe because it conferred disease resistance for over a decade now.
    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/white-people-are-a-homoplasy/

    They used to say that it had something to do with Vitamin D, and one of them actually took supplements. Too me that ancient north Europeans had very dark skin and light eyes and hair, shows skin lightening is something never needed for living in Europe in the way they think.

    https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/05/24/selection-is-going-on-with-slc24a5/

    SLC24A5, a putative cation exchanger, affects pigmentation […] It turns out that this mutation, the derived variant, is almost disjoint is frequency between Europeans and Africans. That is, about ~100% of Africans carry the ancestry G base at while ~0% of Europeans carry the G base (as opposed to the A base). Interestingly, East Asians carry the G base at ~100% frequency as well. If you genotype an anonymous individual and their genotype is AG or GG on at rs1426654 then it is highly likely that that individual is not a European. […] Something is happening at rs1426654. But no ancient population shows the frequencies of the derived variant we see in modern Europeans. In isolated populations subject to drift it wouldn’t be surprising if the ancestral variant decreased to ~0%, But in European populations today in the vast majority of cases the ancestral variant is far lower than 1%, even though we know that within the last 10,000 years the ancestral populations streams had several groups with very high frequencies of that ancestral variant. The low frequency is not due to a freakish bottleneck all across Europe. It has to be selection

    Intensity of selection for light skin not initial proportions of the mix are the relevant factor. The ancestral variant, which was once very common in continental Europe, started disappearing in the Copper Age . Razib actually mentioned this once.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-caucasian-gene/#comment-2345249
    there are very very very few copies of the ancestral allele across so much of europe. this seems to be a recent feature of the last 5,000 years.the % isn’t really the most interesting thing. it is that there are very very very few copies of the ancestral allele across so much of europe. this seems to be a recent feature of the last 5,000 years. the impact on skin color is dominant toward lightness (see the original 2005 paper). so it is very strange that if lightness is driving the selection that heterozygotes are so much less fit than homozygotes. lactase persistence allele is maxed out at ~90% because it is dominant it. this allele should have been similar, but it’s not.

    • Replies: @RebelWriter
  192. @Ron Unz

    We, and much more they, are/were the Greeks to the Globohomocorp Romans.

  193. Mr. Anon says:
    @RebelWriter

    Except that the Britons weren’t the natives, but invaders who had replaced previously replaced the natives.

    And who were they? I thought the Britons had been there for (likely) some thousands of years.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  194. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter

    The Western Hunter Gatherers were there first, and were the only true aboriginal Britons.

    Thank you. Is there anything left of the aboriginal Hunter Gatherers and Early European Farmers? If so, what existing populations have the greatest concentrations?

    • Replies: @RebelWriter
  195. Visitor says:

    Not so fast. If the displacement was due to widespread massacring, wouldn’t you expect mass graves and/or lots of skeletons bearing injury marks? Perhaps none were found. There appears to be a lot of context missing.

  196. @Anonymous

    In my earlier posts I’ve mentioned them. There’s quite a lot of both left. Nearly ALL female lines in Western Europe are EEF, and to a lesser degree, WHG. To an even lesser degree are the EHG lines. HG’s never existed in any great numbers in Western Europe, so it’s surprising how much of their DNA still exists.

    Male lines are dependant on location. In Sardinia and Eastern Europe, including the Balkans, EEF and HG outnumber Indo European lines. In Western Europe the range of surviving WHG and EFF lines range from a high of about 30% down to 0% in the Basque region of Spain, as noted in the article.

    For autosomal DNA, most of it is HG and EEF. I’ve noted my own DNA as an example. I’m 11% Indo European, and the rest is split nearly evenly between EEF and WHG. There are places in Europe where Indo European autosomal DNA is as high as 60%. I saw a graph yesterday on Twitter that showed average heights relative to % of Indo European DNA that correlated positively, and the maximum % was just over 60%. The person who posted it didn’t give a link to a study, so I couldn’t go review it. I tried to Google it and couldn’t find it. I remember Scotland and Scandinavia being two places with high concentrations of Indo European DNA.

    In the British Isles themselves, Lowland Scotland and the Western fringes of Ireland have the greatest concentrations of surviving WHG Y DNA lines. Practically all of them are I2a.

  197. @Sean

    I don’t really have a dog in this fight. Razib has noted that studies into skin color variation within Africa itself as just kicking off, and are bound to shed light on European skin color as well. I don’t believe the Indo Europeans are responsible for light skin based on the simple fact that Europeans have light skin in parts of Europe they barely penetrated. I will admit that the areas with the greatest amount of Indo European DNA are the fairest (i.e. Scandinavia), but this may be confusing correlation with causation. I’m content with not knowing until it is proven.

    • Replies: @Sean
  198. Clyde says:
    @Logan

    Many thanks for that link to Mayans torture of captives, plus more on their alleged civilization that never invented the wheel. Your link rom the 1986 NY Times and would not be published today. Far better that these cuckoo Central American Mayans and semi-Mayans flood through our borders, and the NY Times does not want any prejudice against this.

    Warfare with rival cities was frequent, in large part to capture aristocrats for torture and sacrifice. If the Maya sacrificed humans in lesser numbers than the Aztecs, against whom they have often been held up as superior, they tortured their victims more viciously. Ancient Mayan ball games, like Roman gladiatorial contests, pitted captives against one another for their lives; the heads of losers were sometimes used for balls.

    ”Blood was the mortar of ancient Maya ritual life,” Dr. Schele and Dr. Miller wrote in ”The Blood of Kings,” a book published in conjunction with the exhibit in Fort Worth.

  199. Clyde says:
    @Sean

    I am sure it is a coincidence that Ireland has the palest skin in the world.

    Other European nations at the same latitude are just as pale. What Euro nation had the most redheads and blue eyes 50 years ago before the immigration invasion and watering down of Nordicism? I read a while back that many Siberian dogs and breeds are prone to blue eyes.
    Most white nation? Iceland at 94%

  200. syonredux says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Next came the first farmers, who started colonizing Europe about 8800 years ago. They originated in northwest Anatolia, and gradually spread over Europe by two paths: along the northern coast of the Mediterranean, and up the Danube. Eventually (by 6,000 years ago) populations of this sort occupied almost all of Europe, from Greece up to Sweden and as far west as England and Ireland. The stone-age farmers in the northern path (which led to the LBK culture) grew emmer and einkorn wheat, barley, peas, and lentils. As they moved into the Balkans, they picked up broomcorn millet, not in the original Southwest Asian agricultural toolkit. They raised cattle, pigs, goats, and old-fashioned sheep (not yet wooly). They preferred to farm loess soils near rivers, and lived in long houses arranged in small villages.

    The modern population genetically closest to these early farmers is Sardinian, specifically people living in Ogliastra province, in the southeastern mountains. Look at Neolithic DNA from Germany, Hungary, Spain, Sweden, England, Ireland: they all are genetically close to Sardinians. Otzi, the Iceman found frozen in northern Italy, looks Sardinian. And the way Sardinians look is informative: they have light skin and dark hair. Almost none are blondes or redheads. Apparently a wave of early farmers settled the Sardinian highlands, which, over the next seven thousand years, no else has really wanted.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2018/05/01/who-we-are-9-europe/

  201. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:

    I would no sooner take the word of a Jewish academic on any topic that has to do with history, religion, morality, or anthropology than I would that of an Islamic imam or common muslim.

    Judaism is more extreme in their belief system than Islam is, both which have strong political goals, and so it follows that their perspectives and statements always have to be assumed to be colored by those goals.

    The simple answer to Jewish academics is to dismiss their writing as religiously-politically colored noise.

    Which is more than acceptable and reasonable to do in science when a degree of personal bias can be suspected. Critiques of methodology, results, discussion and conclusion can be given higher weight as a result of that suspected personal political-religious bias.

  202. Anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @mb

    The research clearly points to on fully human race (unmixed with hominids) that traveled and was likely raped (and killed and eaten) by hominids like Neanderthal, Heidelbergensis, Erectus, Denisovan, etc.

    I have full summaries of the science saved, but I don’t want to do a text dump here without a request and maybe an O.K. by the mods. The science is clear and the research stands up to critique. It isn’t promoted because it counters globalist racial propaganda as well as the modern essential propaganda that everyone evolved from African people.

    The products of these rapes / Human-Hominid unions are the other two races (Africans and Asians) as well as what could arguably be determined to be a fourth race within the “White” race that is genetically defined by a drastic increase in Neanderthal admixture in comparison with relatively unmixed Europeans.

    This fourth race would be the Armenoid / Arab / Jewish type. After all, if race is defined via relative hominid admixture than it does not really make sense to describe Whites with high Neanderthal admixture and Whites with almost no non-human Neanderthal admixture to be the same race.

    As genetic variation increases within any one of the three primary races, mostly due to different hominid species genetic contributions, it becomes increasingly hard to classify each race as one on skin tone or phenotypic features alone.

    For example:

    Africa has the widest genetic variation, likely indicating a broad spectrum of hominid species genetic contributions. (I hypothesize that African black skin is the result of archaic (early) hominid admixture). Is an African man with Erectus genetics and one with Heidelbergensis genetics the same race?

  203. Sean says:
    @RebelWriter

    I don’t believe the Indo Europeans are responsible for light skin

    No kind of mixing of the Bell Beaker AKA Yamnaya or Indo-Europeans with other populations they met can explain the DISAPPEARANCE of the G allele even though it is dominant. Just genotype an anonymous individual and if their genotype is AG or GG on at rs1426654 then the individual is very unlikely to be European. If I am reading Razib aright, he thinks that homozygous advantage on rs1426654rs1426654 would be too weak for the skin colour difference to be perceptible. However:-

    A Darker Shade of Pale

    Subjects identified the left-hand image as a woman and the right-hand one as a man. Yet the two images differ only in skin tone. Study by Richard Russell, Sinha Laboratory for Vision Research, MIT.

    We may not be aware of it but quite subtle differences can have distinct responses.

    In Britain Yamnaya ancestry is greatest in Scotland, all that red hair and the white skin that goes with it may have spread in Scotland as a result of the terms of sexual selection altering.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6454345/DNA-reveals-18-year-old-farmer-Ava-died-4-250-years-ago-daughter-immigrants.html

    Archaeologists have revealed an 18-year-old farmer called ‘Ava’ who died 4,250 years ago in Scotland was the daughter of European immigrants. Experts believe this Mediterranean-looking Bronze Age woman had brown eyes, black hair, olive-coloured skin and was even lactose intolerant. She was a member of an early Bronze Age ‘beaker’ community that would have farmed cattle and were skilled craftsmen.

    The Bell Beakers were not light skinned and neither were the people they replaced. What the Bell Beakers were is violent. Ava’s cranium was gigantic.

    [A]ccording to Richard Wrangham, a primatologist at Harvard University …. Some 30 animals have been domesticated … and in the process every one of them has lost brain volume—typically a 10 to 15 percent reduction compared with their wild progenitors. Except for those last two traits, the domesticated breeds sound a lot like us. “When you select against aggression, you get some surprising traits that come along with it,” Wrangham says. “My suspicion is that the easiest way for natural selection to reduce aggressiveness is to favor those individuals whose brains develop relatively slowly in relation to their bodies.” http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking

    Wrangham does say that domestication confers a “more striking range of coloration and hair type”, which Cochran has long pointed out . But however the mutations appeared there had to have been be selection of red hair and the fair skin that went with it, and just ever whiter skin, for the whole population to end up looking the way it does and for G to disappear from Europe.

  204. @Dieter Kief

    That’s not Robert Howard’s Conan speaking. That’s John Milius quoting Ghengis Khan.

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