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Michael Brown bullying clerk trying to stop him from stealing cigars

For five or ten years, the news media have been obsessed with “bullies.” But for some reason a search of Google News doesn’t find much evidence of anyone calling the 6’4″ 292 pound Michael Brown a bully.

What are the odds that Brown was drunk?

Update: Commenter Bob notes:

Those security cam pictures are amazing. They destroy the narrative that the media has been pushing more thoroughly than any number of words could do. After just a glance at the pics, it’s just impossible to continue to claim that Brown was some harmless kid minding his own business before he was shot.

Right. This doesn’t mean that cops don’t need better training and an attitude adjustment, but the pictures say a huge amount about how delusional the Media Narrative is in 2014 America, and how right Rep. Mo Brooks is about the media’s metaphorical “war on whites.”

Here we’ve been hearing all these days about the innocent child, and instead we see an NFL-sized galoot throwing his weight around in a truly hostile and stupid manner. Does he not know that convenience stores in 2014 all have security cameras and that somebody as gigantic as himself couldn’t get away with his crime by claiming it was really somebody else on the video?

Perhaps the cop he ran into a few minutes later was equally hostile and stupid.

But looking at these pictures I have to feel sorry for the cop and the situation he was headed into.

And I roll my eyes once again that America’s best and brightest mediaocrities have been suckered once again by a Wolfean P of S story.

 
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  1. Michael Brown: the first bully whom Enemedia-Pravda have canonized as Saint Bully.

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    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Auntie, you have coined the name for this guy. Henceforth he shall be known as Saint Bully!
    , @viking
    Hey isnt that Obamas son
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  2. Olorin says:

    I have long tried to explain to my DWL friends, when they are talking about their pet straw humans, the Unarmed Black Teens, that most of the ones I ever knew in my 70% black city of origin/first 30 years were of the Michael Brown type. Enormous, nice maybe in spurts when they wanted something, vicious hairtrigger mean the rest of the time, and able to pummel anyone into the ground with their fists and feet.

    This video is a godsend…but go to the NYT and see how the only allowed comments on this story are people spinning it as him being a poor innocent murdered by the militarized po-leece while running away. I cannot believe that public opinion is as homogenous and batguano nuts as depicted in those comments. Particularly since everywhere I turn, I’m reading very different and complex responses to this event.

    I used to think conservatives were being hyperbolic by describing liberalism as a mental illness. Since 2008, I’m starting to agree.

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    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Women, gays, manboobz respond to dominance. One rule for betas, another for alphas. Bullying is fine if the guy is Black OR a guy with screaming teen girl fans like Bieber siccing his bodyguards on someone.

    See Fifty Shades of Grey. OK if the guy s a hunky dominant zillionaire she can change. Not ok if he is a geek asking her for coffee in an elevator.

    There is no downside for the media. Its all about women and gays extending alpha privilege.
    , @Escher
    Be careful about giving the police too much leeway. Today it is a ghetto thug, tomorrow it could be you that gets shot for not showing enough deference to Stormtrooper Fife.
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  3. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Here’s the problem.

    If blacks weren’t so big and strong, cops would be less nervous and think more in terms of using physical force against physical force to restrain them.

    But since, man to man, blacks have a decisive edge against whites and non-blacks, whites/non-blacks have to rely on extra-force against blacks, and that is the gun. But that can prove to be lethal and make the black guy out to be the ‘victim’.

    Same thing with man vs woman.

    Physically, most women have no chance against men. So, to protect themselves from men or to gain dominance over men(if female cops are involved), women will have to rely on extra-force, and that may be the gun and prove to be lethal.

    Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.

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    • Replies: @Jon
    "Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles."

    Tougher, maybe. More aggressive, yes. But I'm not aware of any evidence that blacks are, on average, physically stronger than whites (just faster runners and higher jumpers- and even there the difference is much smaller than that between men and women). Whites are actually over-represented in elite weightlifting and world's strongest man competitions.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    There's also a possibility with a suspect like Brown that man-handling him proves fatal. That was the case recently with a large African American man in NYC recently whom the police tried to restrain without weapons (Eric Garner). He kept resisting and died of what probably was a heart attack during the struggle.
    , @syonredux
    "But since, man to man, blacks have a decisive edge against whites and non-blacks, "

    Do they? Some people in the HBD-sphere seem to have a, shall we say, exaggerated notion of Black physical prowess. Frankly, growing up, I saw my share of Black vs White after-school fights, and I don't recall Blacks winning a disproportionate share.
    , @Difference Maker
    "Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles."
    than the civilized population, because they aren't made for civilization
    , @Anonymous
    "Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive,"

    You ever been to a professional strongman contest? Blacks are almost invisible there.

    I DO AGREE that blacks are more aggressive, probably because of their lower I.Q.'s, poor impulse controls and lack of long term planning. Most whites and probably Asians, are not going to just fight at the drop of a hat and don't have the "in your face" mentality of many blacks. This difference may make blacks APPEAR to be tougher, but that is just an illusion.

    Don't forget too, athletics and entertainment tend to be the only avenues blacks tend to excel in, while whites and Asians dominate many other areas.
    , @Anonymous
    I don't think blacks are stronger then whites. Not in the aggregate. Sure you see a lot of blacks in the NFL but where else do you see them? At a science convention? Blacks tend to have a lower body fat content then whites, because of their origins in hot tropical Africa. Whites needed more body fat because they lived in cold northern Europe. This makes many blacks appear more muscular because it gives you great definition. Bruce Lee, although ethnically Chinese, was an example of this. He was a small man but had great definition and looked very muscular because he had very low levels of body fat. I do agree that blacks are more aggressive. I've seen this in black females as well. I once had a black female I worked with go bat-shit crazy on me. She was morbidly obese but thought she was hot. There was some work that her and another black employee was supposed to have completed hours before I arrived. When i mentioned it to her she went insane. I never saw such a spontaneous, hysterical outburst of anger and viciousness. I believe blacks even have a term for this. They call it "going off" on someone. Amazingly the next day she acted like nothing had ever happened, and a week later had our boss call me to ask why i wasn't "communicating" with her.
    , @viking
    then maybe liberals shouldnt have changed laws requiring police to be huge irishmen
    , @Patrick Boyle
    I am a little put off by all this talk of Brown being a giant. I'm also 6'4"as is our host Mr. Sailer. I would like to get down under 300 lbs. like Mike was. It is true that I wasn't always this big. When I was his age I was only about 6'3" - hardly more than Trayvon Martin. As Steve well knows 6'4" is about the 99th percentile of height. That means that in a city or large town you will likely see about two men that tall or taller in a walk around the city center.

    This is not what people mean when they speak of giants.

    Hong Man Choi is a real giant. See:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o7lrNQZ8K8

    Black aggressiveness and bullying which seems to have been on display in this fortuitous video is generally believed to stem from three factors:

    1. Frontal disinhibition
    2. MAOA
    3. Pleiotropic melanocortin effects

    Black people - by which I mean people descended from Sub Saharan African - have smaller brains than the other two major races but more importantly their neurological deficits are in the frontal lobes. This is believed to provide less inhibition to the subcortical structures that potentiate anger and aggression like the amygdala. In the mental health profession they sometimes joke that an angry person is being 'frontal'.

    The MAOA promoter sequences are present in all people but the longer your repeater sequence the less aggressive you seem to be. About 5% of all blacks have the 2R pattern. It isn't clear if there are any whites who are 2R. If there are, it is a tiny fraction of the population - less than .1%. MAOA controls the circulation of neurotransmitters in the brain. The longer repeat sequences lower the high levels of excitatory neurotransmitters faster.

    Finally black skin itself may be what accounts for the astonishingly high levels of violence among blacks. Phil Rushton's final paper noted that darker skin (fur , shell, feathers, integument of any kind) made the animal more aggressive. This is true for mammals, birds, reptiles, fish and insects. He wanted to study the question as to whether that was also true for humans.

    , @Anonymous
    Your a bully of an idiot . You don't want to run into me in a dark alley, or you will see what a non black can do.
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  4. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “But for some reason a search of Google News doesn’t find much evidence of anyone calling the 6’4″ 292 pound Michael Brown a bully.”

    The victim wasn’t a homo but a Hindu, and American sympathies are limited to Jews, blacks, and homos.

    Even Liberals have a hierarchy of selective outrage.
    They don’t care about Russians, hindus, or Iranians.
    There was some sympathy for Gazans, but Robin Williams stole that soon enough.

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  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    @ anon

    Great point. I never thought of that. I’d be interested in seeing data that show the average size difference between white and black Americans.

    Interestingly, we should expect lead poisoning and bad environment to affect size as much as IQ. So if it turns out that blacks really are bigger than whites, it calls into question the environment’s effect on present black IQ.

    Your argument would be very good to use against the war on women crowd because their every man is a potential rapist argument is identical to Bloomberg’s stop and frisk policy.

    Women will tell you that men are xxx likely to commit rape against random women; and, therefore, a woman must be on her guard. But this is essentially what Bloomberg said to justify stop and frisk.

    Once again, it’s just another who whom.

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  6. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Libs attack ‘white privilege’, but paradoxically, ‘anti-racism’ is the product of white privilege since only privileged whites who are safely removed from black realities can maintain the charade of black victim-hood.

    Take away white privilege and subject whites to bad black behavior 24/7, and their ‘anti-racism’ will evaporate pretty fast… unless stockholm syndrome has set in and whites have surrendered to black domination like beta dogs to alpha dogs.

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  7. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Too bad there was no crab legs to steal. Brown looked hungry–and would likely have had the munchies after smoking smoking blunts filled with grass.

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  8. Jefferson says:

    “The victim wasn’t a homo but a Hindu, and American sympathies are limited to Jews, blacks, and homos.”

    Hispanics and Muslims as well. Hence a strong support for amnesty and open borders. And also why many articles are written about how there is an “epidemic” of Islamophobia in the U.S.

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    • Replies: @fnn
    Apparently Islamophobia is such a problem the ADL was forced to form an alliance with Al Qaeda:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwobA5ZRh-w
    , @Anonymous
    Go to hell white people are asshole also there are plenty around us everyday trying to be black always lying out in the sun trying to get darker what's up with that if you so proud of being white stop going to get darker what's up with that stay out of
    tanning booths and stay out the sun getting nasty skin cancer.
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  10. Jefferson says:

    Ghetto trash Michael Brown looks like the type that if he had been bused in to a good high school with academic achievers, he would have been bullying and beating up Asian and White nerds.

    He looks like a Silicon Valley nerd’s worst nightmare.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Ferguson, Mo. is an suburban town, moderately impecunious, and with somewhat elevated crime rates. It's not a slum.
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  11. Jefferson says:

    http://topconservativenews.com/2014/08/surprise-micheal-brown-was-an-aspiring-gangster-rapper/

    Over 95 percent of Black male yoofs aspire to either become a rapper or a sports athlete, what an extremely monolithic demographic.

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  12. Jon says:
    @Anon
    Here's the problem.

    If blacks weren't so big and strong, cops would be less nervous and think more in terms of using physical force against physical force to restrain them.

    But since, man to man, blacks have a decisive edge against whites and non-blacks, whites/non-blacks have to rely on extra-force against blacks, and that is the gun. But that can prove to be lethal and make the black guy out to be the 'victim'.

    Same thing with man vs woman.

    Physically, most women have no chance against men. So, to protect themselves from men or to gain dominance over men(if female cops are involved), women will have to rely on extra-force, and that may be the gun and prove to be lethal.

    Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.

    “Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.”

    Tougher, maybe. More aggressive, yes. But I’m not aware of any evidence that blacks are, on average, physically stronger than whites (just faster runners and higher jumpers- and even there the difference is much smaller than that between men and women). Whites are actually over-represented in elite weightlifting and world’s strongest man competitions.

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    • Replies: @Jonathan Silber
    Black street thugs--male and female--may be on average stronger than whites but they're no more skilled at fighting; any advantage they have is gained by the greater numbers in which they carry out their assaults, in packs and mobs.
    , @Stealth
    Muscle mass is muscle strength. Black men and women both have greater muscle mass than their average white counterparts. It's visible to the naked eye. The average black person is far more heavily built than whites of similar height, and even skinny black guys tend to have surprisingly large muscles that slim white men couldn't build without anabolic steroids.

    If blacks are underrepresented in the World's Strongest Man competition, it's because not enough of them are interested in competing. Besides, given the rampant PED abuse rumored to occur in WSM, victories in that arena might not be the best evidence to back up the claim that white people are just as athletic as black people.

    They are also known to have greater bone mineral density, which is why black women don't suffer from osteopenia and osteoporosis to the extent that white and Asian women do.

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  13. I dunno. I watched the Super Bowl …

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  14. Bob says:

    Those security cam pictures are amazing. They destroy the narrative that the media has been pushing more thoroughly than any number of words could do. After just a glance at the pics, it’s just impossible to continue to claim that Brown was some harmless kid minding his own business before he was shot.

    It’s not clear if the cop knew that Brown was a robbery suspect. However, it’s clear that Brown knew what he had done 15 minutes earlier, and given his idiotic behavior at the store, it’s not implausible that he would have tried to reach for the cop’s gun. He was probably under the influence of something.

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    • Replies: @Big Bill
    "It’s not clear if the cop knew that Brown was a robbery suspect. However, it’s clear that Brown knew what he had done 15 minutes earlier, and given his idiotic behavior at the store, it’s not implausible that he would have tried to reach for the cop’s gun. He was probably under the influence of something."

    This. NPR was spinning "the cop didn't know he was a robber" story very hard last night, and (obtusely) missing the commenter's point entirely.

    If the cop had no idea Michael was a robber it would explain why the cop didn't get out of the car and draw down on Michael before Michael (believing he was facing arrest) got close enough to the car to reach in and fight for the cop's gun.

    Perhaps to be on the safe side we should assume every black man is a robber and automatically approach them as such. I expect Michael would still be alive if the cop had done so.

    It also shows the danger in trying to maintain white values (don't meander down the middle of the street/don't litter/don't break windows) in a Negro community. They have different values. It's time for the few remaining white folks to leave Ferguson and let the Negro community in Ferguson recreate the urban St. Louis life they know and love.
    , @Tank
    Yes, this aspect (Brown knew what he just did) has not been mentioned anywhere else (I've seen).
    , @The most deplorable one
    Dont worry.

    Any minute now the next campus noose event, LGBT lynching or white male gang rape of a black female entertainer will come along to erase the media's shame.

    , @The most deplorable one
    Don't worry.

    Any minute now the next campus noose event, LGBT lynching or white male gang rape of a black female entertainer will come along to erase the media's shame.

    (What's with this comment system declaring my comments as spam when I edit them?)
    , @Anonymous
    Turns out the Ferguson police were the only ones protecting Ferguson. The state police are letting it burn. Irony after irony. Why was MB half in the cop car? Why did her run? When you don't get the gun, you better run! Right Johnny Cochran? MB is as innocent as OJ.
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  15. anon says: • Disclaimer

    The average black and white male heights are almost the same. Blacks are fatter on average, which is an advantage in a fight between two unskilled combatants usually, and its certainly more intimidating. But the real difference is that white people don’t learn how to fight and be aggressive as kids.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The NHANES data shows the average 20-39 year-old black male in the U.S. is in pretty decent shape by the low standards of the 21st Century. It's black females who are really overweight.
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  16. @anon
    The average black and white male heights are almost the same. Blacks are fatter on average, which is an advantage in a fight between two unskilled combatants usually, and its certainly more intimidating. But the real difference is that white people don't learn how to fight and be aggressive as kids.

    The NHANES data shows the average 20-39 year-old black male in the U.S. is in pretty decent shape by the low standards of the 21st Century. It’s black females who are really overweight.

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    • Replies: @Mr TRAP
    Thnx for the research.
    Too many conservatards regurgitate info from others
    Without taking the time to look up and see if the rhetoric is true.
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  17. fnn says:
    @Jefferson
    "The victim wasn’t a homo but a Hindu, and American sympathies are limited to Jews, blacks, and homos."

    Hispanics and Muslims as well. Hence a strong support for amnesty and open borders. And also why many articles are written about how there is an "epidemic" of Islamophobia in the U.S.

    Apparently Islamophobia is such a problem the ADL was forced to form an alliance with Al Qaeda:

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  18. Jefferson says:

    “But the real difference is that white people don’t learn how to fight and be aggressive as kids.”

    How many White kids in America grow up in a high crime neighborhood ? The answer is not many, most White kids in this country are pampered and hence see no need to be aggressive.

    The vast majority of White kids can not personally relate to anything they see in a film like “Menace To Society” or the television show “The Wire”. They are not about that life.

    Most aggressive kids who are always getting into fights grew up in a undesirable neighborhood.

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  20. Big Bill says:
    @Bob
    Those security cam pictures are amazing. They destroy the narrative that the media has been pushing more thoroughly than any number of words could do. After just a glance at the pics, it's just impossible to continue to claim that Brown was some harmless kid minding his own business before he was shot.

    It's not clear if the cop knew that Brown was a robbery suspect. However, it's clear that Brown knew what he had done 15 minutes earlier, and given his idiotic behavior at the store, it's not implausible that he would have tried to reach for the cop's gun. He was probably under the influence of something.

    “It’s not clear if the cop knew that Brown was a robbery suspect. However, it’s clear that Brown knew what he had done 15 minutes earlier, and given his idiotic behavior at the store, it’s not implausible that he would have tried to reach for the cop’s gun. He was probably under the influence of something.”

    This. NPR was spinning “the cop didn’t know he was a robber” story very hard last night, and (obtusely) missing the commenter’s point entirely.

    If the cop had no idea Michael was a robber it would explain why the cop didn’t get out of the car and draw down on Michael before Michael (believing he was facing arrest) got close enough to the car to reach in and fight for the cop’s gun.

    Perhaps to be on the safe side we should assume every black man is a robber and automatically approach them as such. I expect Michael would still be alive if the cop had done so.

    It also shows the danger in trying to maintain white values (don’t meander down the middle of the street/don’t litter/don’t break windows) in a Negro community. They have different values. It’s time for the few remaining white folks to leave Ferguson and let the Negro community in Ferguson recreate the urban St. Louis life they know and love.

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  21. @Jon
    "Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles."

    Tougher, maybe. More aggressive, yes. But I'm not aware of any evidence that blacks are, on average, physically stronger than whites (just faster runners and higher jumpers- and even there the difference is much smaller than that between men and women). Whites are actually over-represented in elite weightlifting and world's strongest man competitions.

    Black street thugs–male and female–may be on average stronger than whites but they’re no more skilled at fighting; any advantage they have is gained by the greater numbers in which they carry out their assaults, in packs and mobs.

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  22. “Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles”

    Using anecdotal evidence, I went to public school in Atlanta GA and was only 1 out of 3 of the only White guys on the entire football team. I was, I’d say, worthy of starting by my freshman year, but every one of the black coach was convinced I was just meant to be a kicker (which I did do on the side while playing as a JV linebacker. To the black coaches, white boy = kicker.) In context my school was god-awful at football, but I started sophomore year and up and was likely the top 3 players on the team.

    Tougher? Maybe, but I’ve always been amazed in High School football how the black kids would quit when it got down to a grind, or simply not show up to practice. Since civil rights, it’s almost as if a hard days work has simply been bred out of them, so hence Mexicans have come to replace them.

    Stronger, I’d say its about equal with White dudes, though athletically blacks are superior. One big reason for the perception that Whites are smaller is because professional, higher-IQ urban Whites live in the same vicinity with poor urban blacks. These Whites come from the bloodlines of doctors, lawyers, etc etc, without really long family histories of athletes and big manual laborers. Go out to the country though…and the good old boys on average run bigger, so that perception is likely from the urban whitey effect.

    The aggression just comes from constant fighting in the hood, so a lot of mestizo kids have this, errrr, quality as well. I never fought once in my entire life before 8th grade growing up in my nice White suburb; my first week at my new all black high school, I got into a fight.

    If your a White dad with a White son, make him do boxing and wrestling if he’s growing up in a super-safe Whitopia, because the tyrannical nannyism of his all-White school won’t ever give him an opportunity to scrap. Without a couple bloody fights under his belt by at least the age of 16, it will give your little white snowflake a mental aggression handicap unfit for our increasingly non-White world

    Yes, blacks are more aggressive, can’t disagree with that. Also, blacks have hair-trigger aggression like no other group I’ve ever seen: a lot of fights blacks get into seem stupidly spontaneous, just seconds after jovial “my n****,” to fists flying. None of that seething YT boy stuff with trash talk, bad history, and evil eye staring crap.

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    +1!
    , @Ed
    Exactly. It depends where you live. I live in Southern MD and the White boys down here generally give as good as they get. Whereas up in DC the white population is overwhelmingly made up of professional types that are not physically imposing or comfortable using their hands in a confrontation.
    , @Marko
    Two words... "farm kids". There are some hard working and STRONG folks.

    On pure genetics (at least for strength), I think Tongans must take the cake.
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    @Anon
    Here's the problem.

    If blacks weren't so big and strong, cops would be less nervous and think more in terms of using physical force against physical force to restrain them.

    But since, man to man, blacks have a decisive edge against whites and non-blacks, whites/non-blacks have to rely on extra-force against blacks, and that is the gun. But that can prove to be lethal and make the black guy out to be the 'victim'.

    Same thing with man vs woman.

    Physically, most women have no chance against men. So, to protect themselves from men or to gain dominance over men(if female cops are involved), women will have to rely on extra-force, and that may be the gun and prove to be lethal.

    Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.

    There’s also a possibility with a suspect like Brown that man-handling him proves fatal. That was the case recently with a large African American man in NYC recently whom the police tried to restrain without weapons (Eric Garner). He kept resisting and died of what probably was a heart attack during the struggle.

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    Here's a video of Garner: http://youtu.be/j1ka4oKu1jo

    The witness erroneously claims the cops choke him, but no one can talk when he is being choked. Seems more likely the case that Garner died from some cardiac event due to a) his large size and pre-existing conditions and b) the stress of resisting arrest.
    , @Mr TRAP
    Nope
    Garner died because there were 5 men weighing an average of 185lbs leveraging most
    of their weight on his vitals.
    One cop had his knee on his throat.
    The others had weight on his lungs, kidneys,liver,etc.
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  24. Tank says:
    @Bob
    Those security cam pictures are amazing. They destroy the narrative that the media has been pushing more thoroughly than any number of words could do. After just a glance at the pics, it's just impossible to continue to claim that Brown was some harmless kid minding his own business before he was shot.

    It's not clear if the cop knew that Brown was a robbery suspect. However, it's clear that Brown knew what he had done 15 minutes earlier, and given his idiotic behavior at the store, it's not implausible that he would have tried to reach for the cop's gun. He was probably under the influence of something.

    Yes, this aspect (Brown knew what he just did) has not been mentioned anywhere else (I’ve seen).

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  25. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    There's also a possibility with a suspect like Brown that man-handling him proves fatal. That was the case recently with a large African American man in NYC recently whom the police tried to restrain without weapons (Eric Garner). He kept resisting and died of what probably was a heart attack during the struggle.

    Here’s a video of Garner: http://youtu.be/j1ka4oKu1jo

    The witness erroneously claims the cops choke him, but no one can talk when he is being choked. Seems more likely the case that Garner died from some cardiac event due to a) his large size and pre-existing conditions and b) the stress of resisting arrest.

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    I guess drowning victims can't cry for help either huh
    SMH
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  26. George says:

    I see the problem and it is iSteve.

    The picture in the article is a kind of rorschach test: Which problem do you think is worse? Blacks or immigrants. The reason for mass immigration is you keep saying blacks, and Americas rulers know you will. So iSteve maybe the reason for mass immigration is iSteve, Mr Adleson just being a guy who is able to profit from your inconsistencies.

    Maybe the blacks resent foreign intrusion into their neighborhood and unlike Vdare readers do something about it other than griping and donating to Vdare? Why is that store not hiring blacks like super profitable WalMart does? Why if it were not for South Asians the real estate that not sufficiently profitable store was located on would be vacant, ‘rotting on the vine’. Maybe one reason the establishment hates WalMart is it does not hire immigrants. BTW, here in NJ Hess seems to be able to hire US nationals including blacks to operate their gas/convience stations, but they are not 24×7 like the 3rd world gas stations.

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  27. Mr TRAP says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The NHANES data shows the average 20-39 year-old black male in the U.S. is in pretty decent shape by the low standards of the 21st Century. It's black females who are really overweight.

    Thnx for the research.
    Too many conservatards regurgitate info from others
    Without taking the time to look up and see if the rhetoric is true.

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  28. Mr TRAP says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    There's also a possibility with a suspect like Brown that man-handling him proves fatal. That was the case recently with a large African American man in NYC recently whom the police tried to restrain without weapons (Eric Garner). He kept resisting and died of what probably was a heart attack during the struggle.

    Nope
    Garner died because there were 5 men weighing an average of 185lbs leveraging most
    of their weight on his vitals.
    One cop had his knee on his throat.
    The others had weight on his lungs, kidneys,liver,etc.

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  29. Mr TRAP says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Here's a video of Garner: http://youtu.be/j1ka4oKu1jo

    The witness erroneously claims the cops choke him, but no one can talk when he is being choked. Seems more likely the case that Garner died from some cardiac event due to a) his large size and pre-existing conditions and b) the stress of resisting arrest.

    I guess drowning victims can’t cry for help either huh
    SMH

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    In almost all cases, they can't: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/family/2013/06/rescuing_drowning_children_how_to_know_when_someone_is_in_trouble_in_the.html
    , @Anon
    I guess drowning victims can’t cry for help either huh
    SMH


    Precisely. They can't. That is why so many drown.

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/196538.php
    , @Andrew Jackson
    Drowning victims actually can't cry for help. The respiratory system was designed for breathing. Speech is the secondary or overlaid function. Breathing must be fulfilled before speech occurs. I thought everyone knew that.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    They can't. That's why a not insubstantial number drown in swimming pools and at beaches with people all around.
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  30. Art Deco says: • Website
    @Jefferson
    Ghetto trash Michael Brown looks like the type that if he had been bused in to a good high school with academic achievers, he would have been bullying and beating up Asian and White nerds.

    He looks like a Silicon Valley nerd's worst nightmare.

    Ferguson, Mo. is an suburban town, moderately impecunious, and with somewhat elevated crime rates. It’s not a slum.

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  31. Stealth says:
    @Jon
    "Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles."

    Tougher, maybe. More aggressive, yes. But I'm not aware of any evidence that blacks are, on average, physically stronger than whites (just faster runners and higher jumpers- and even there the difference is much smaller than that between men and women). Whites are actually over-represented in elite weightlifting and world's strongest man competitions.

    Muscle mass is muscle strength. Black men and women both have greater muscle mass than their average white counterparts. It’s visible to the naked eye. The average black person is far more heavily built than whites of similar height, and even skinny black guys tend to have surprisingly large muscles that slim white men couldn’t build without anabolic steroids.

    If blacks are underrepresented in the World’s Strongest Man competition, it’s because not enough of them are interested in competing. Besides, given the rampant PED abuse rumored to occur in WSM, victories in that arena might not be the best evidence to back up the claim that white people are just as athletic as black people.

    They are also known to have greater bone mineral density, which is why black women don’t suffer from osteopenia and osteoporosis to the extent that white and Asian women do.

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    I suspect Baltic Europeans are overall the world's strongest, but you're right that you can't draw too much from the relative paucity of black strongman competitors. Few American blacks are exposed to the sport, and the ones with the size to compete are more likely to be training to be an NFL lineman then hoisting atlas stones.
    , @syonredux
    "Muscle mass is muscle strength."

    Bit crudely phrased, but good enough.


    " Black men and women both have greater muscle mass than their average white counterparts. It’s visible to the naked eye."

    On a statistical basis, yeah...


    " The average black person is far more heavily built than whites of similar height,"

    This doesn't square with what my lying eyes tell me. The average Black is slightly more heavily built than the average White.



    " and even skinny black guys tend to have surprisingly large muscles that slim white men couldn’t build without anabolic steroids."

    Again, my lying eyes say otherwise. There are plenty of ectomorphic Black guys and White guys at my gym. The ectomorphic Black guys, on average, have a somewhat lower bodyfat percentage, so their muscles are more visible. However, their muscles are not, on average, larger.
    , @Difference Maker
    I can only hope my son is at least as high testosterone and high iq as I am
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  32. These reporters are worse than useless. Wolf Blitzer interviews the friend of Brown and does not ask where they had been coming from. Despite the cigar theft story having already been mentioned. And no reporters went to the local convenience stores to ask questions?

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  33. WhatEvvs [AKA "Cookies"] says:

    ,

    The Rodney King “affair” taught me NEVER to trust the media narrative ever again, but the Eric Garner mess almost snookered me. I bought the POS nonsense about him being put in a choke hold, now I see it was a lie. Oversized, overweight, ashmatic, he was a heart attack waiting to happen. Yeah, maybe it’s true that black men 20-29 aren’t in that bad shape by our low standards but after that a lot of them are a mess. And the kinds who end up in trouble tend to be in bad shape disproportionately, so let’s look for more of this to happen.

    He was father to six offspring.

    God help us all.

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  34. @Steve Richter
    These reporters are worse than useless. Wolf Blitzer interviews the friend of Brown and does not ask where they had been coming from. Despite the cigar theft story having already been mentioned. And no reporters went to the local convenience stores to ask questions?

    Press is also not asking if Officer Wilson is talking to the investigators. If he had lost his temper and shot Brown in anger he would have to get a lawyer and not talk. But whatever the circumstance, this is basic information to get from the authorities.

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  35. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It seems the blacks of Ferguson, hyped up by agitators, are now angered once again by the release of the surveillance photos putting the deceased felon in a bad light. It’s disrespecting him to show those pics. Just can’t win with those folks. Black thinking is decidedly different from that of other groups.
    I’d hate to be in a position of being a cop or security guard and having to confront some 300 pound violent goon like the one in the pics. You just know things can’t have a tidy ending.
    Insofar as blacks being harder to handle physically one has to consider that most grow up roaming the streets from an early age, running in packs, stealing, fighting, vandalizing and so on, with no adult supervision. Most are quite feral. It’s hard to beat down someone who is stupid, primitive and aggressive. Most whites don’t grow up aspiring to be thug street fighters but rather have more mundane ambitions. You know, boring things like going to school and getting a job, avoiding prison, things like that.

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  36. I wonder if we are at a tipping point. Crime has been down for 20+ years, whether because of higher incarceration, stop-and-frisk, video games keeping violence-prone males indoors or what have you.

    At the same time, policing has changed, with military equipment, etc. And in the last ten years, flying has become an adventure in asshole policing.

    And residential segregation, isolating most white people from ghetto blacks, has increased.

    At what point is the average or median white person more likely to react to police-being-assholes than to hoodlum-ism?

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  37. The most deplorable one [AKA "The fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Auntie Analogue
    Michael Brown: the first bully whom Enemedia-Pravda have canonized as Saint Bully.

    Auntie, you have coined the name for this guy. Henceforth he shall be known as Saint Bully!

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  38. The most deplorable one [AKA "The fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Bob
    Those security cam pictures are amazing. They destroy the narrative that the media has been pushing more thoroughly than any number of words could do. After just a glance at the pics, it's just impossible to continue to claim that Brown was some harmless kid minding his own business before he was shot.

    It's not clear if the cop knew that Brown was a robbery suspect. However, it's clear that Brown knew what he had done 15 minutes earlier, and given his idiotic behavior at the store, it's not implausible that he would have tried to reach for the cop's gun. He was probably under the influence of something.

    Dont worry.

    Any minute now the next campus noose event, LGBT lynching or white male gang rape of a black female entertainer will come along to erase the media’s shame.

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  39. The most deplorable one [AKA "The fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Bob
    Those security cam pictures are amazing. They destroy the narrative that the media has been pushing more thoroughly than any number of words could do. After just a glance at the pics, it's just impossible to continue to claim that Brown was some harmless kid minding his own business before he was shot.

    It's not clear if the cop knew that Brown was a robbery suspect. However, it's clear that Brown knew what he had done 15 minutes earlier, and given his idiotic behavior at the store, it's not implausible that he would have tried to reach for the cop's gun. He was probably under the influence of something.

    Don’t worry.

    Any minute now the next campus noose event, LGBT lynching or white male gang rape of a black female entertainer will come along to erase the media’s shame.

    (What’s with this comment system declaring my comments as spam when I edit them?)

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  40. syonredux says:
    @Anon
    Here's the problem.

    If blacks weren't so big and strong, cops would be less nervous and think more in terms of using physical force against physical force to restrain them.

    But since, man to man, blacks have a decisive edge against whites and non-blacks, whites/non-blacks have to rely on extra-force against blacks, and that is the gun. But that can prove to be lethal and make the black guy out to be the 'victim'.

    Same thing with man vs woman.

    Physically, most women have no chance against men. So, to protect themselves from men or to gain dominance over men(if female cops are involved), women will have to rely on extra-force, and that may be the gun and prove to be lethal.

    Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.

    “But since, man to man, blacks have a decisive edge against whites and non-blacks, ”

    Do they? Some people in the HBD-sphere seem to have a, shall we say, exaggerated notion of Black physical prowess. Frankly, growing up, I saw my share of Black vs White after-school fights, and I don’t recall Blacks winning a disproportionate share.

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    From my experience in mostly black schools, blacks were much quicker to violence and more practiced at pre-fight intimidation rituals, but not more effective at actual fighting than other groups.

    My current gym is mostly white, but one of the strongest guys there is a black guy who looks very muscular due in part to his low body fat (a nice guy, btw - I suspect he's of Caribbean ancestry). But I'm also one of the strongest guys there, so it's kind of a shallow pool.

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  41. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Mr TRAP
    I guess drowning victims can't cry for help either huh
    SMH
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  42. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr TRAP
    I guess drowning victims can't cry for help either huh
    SMH

    I guess drowning victims can’t cry for help either huh
    SMH

    Precisely. They can’t. That is why so many drown.

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/196538.php

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  43. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Stealth
    Muscle mass is muscle strength. Black men and women both have greater muscle mass than their average white counterparts. It's visible to the naked eye. The average black person is far more heavily built than whites of similar height, and even skinny black guys tend to have surprisingly large muscles that slim white men couldn't build without anabolic steroids.

    If blacks are underrepresented in the World's Strongest Man competition, it's because not enough of them are interested in competing. Besides, given the rampant PED abuse rumored to occur in WSM, victories in that arena might not be the best evidence to back up the claim that white people are just as athletic as black people.

    They are also known to have greater bone mineral density, which is why black women don't suffer from osteopenia and osteoporosis to the extent that white and Asian women do.

    I suspect Baltic Europeans are overall the world’s strongest, but you’re right that you can’t draw too much from the relative paucity of black strongman competitors. Few American blacks are exposed to the sport, and the ones with the size to compete are more likely to be training to be an NFL lineman then hoisting atlas stones.

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  44. Kentuckian said: “Tougher? Maybe, but I’ve always been amazed in High School football how the black kids would quit when it got down to a grind, or simply not show up to practice. Since civil rights, it’s almost as if a hard days work has simply been bred out of them, so hence Mexicans have come to replace them.”

    Agreed, mental toughness is an aspect of toughness. And very few blacks I’ve met have mental toughness. Like you I played HS football with a lot of blacks (though whites were more like 1/2 our team). Mental toughness wasn’t exactly their forte. If a guy was going to quit the team during summer two-a-day practices it was a black guy (and then would want to rejoin the team a few weeks later). If a guy was going to quit the team during a 3-game losing streak, it would be a black guy. One of our inside linebackers (good enough to play college at NC State) got ejected from a game for punching a white offensive lineman from our opponent. His offense? Kicking the black guy’s ass repeatedly on running plays. He couldn’t win a legit competition, so sucker punched a guy. I started at free safety – the black guy who backed me up was a better athlete than I was but would constantly be out of position and refused to learn how to open field tackle – it was always go for the “blow up” and half the time he’d miss and be laying on the grass watching some guy do a touchdown dance.

    Separate story – in business school I had two classmates that had just left the SEALs. Both had gone to Annapolis undergrad and bschool was their transition to the civilian world. One was married with small kids and mostly kept to himself. The other was a regular guy and was in my circle of single guys that chased undergrad girls and played golf. Once I asked him why there were so few blacks in special forces generally and none (at that time, I’m not sure if that’s changed) in the SEAL’s. He said “because blacks can’t deal…half our training is needing to be able to deal with stuff, and they just can’t f*&^ing deal. The instructors keep piling tasks on you knowing eventually you’ll fail…but the blacks come unglued”. He went on to explain that a huge part of SEAL training involves driving people to physical and mental collapse. In his view, if you were inshape enough and willing to force yourself to endure pain and refuse to quit and be smart enough to realize the instructors weren’t going to kill you so just deal with the pain, that barring injury you’d make it. He said the blacks who were actually accepted to BUDS would inevitably collapse in tears, or refuse to get back into the cold Coronado surf, or scream and yell at an instructor and refuse to continue, or quit but without honor (ensuring they couldn’t try again) and just generally be unable to “deal”.

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  45. @Mr TRAP
    I guess drowning victims can't cry for help either huh
    SMH

    Drowning victims actually can’t cry for help. The respiratory system was designed for breathing. Speech is the secondary or overlaid function. Breathing must be fulfilled before speech occurs. I thought everyone knew that.

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  46. syonredux says:
    @Stealth
    Muscle mass is muscle strength. Black men and women both have greater muscle mass than their average white counterparts. It's visible to the naked eye. The average black person is far more heavily built than whites of similar height, and even skinny black guys tend to have surprisingly large muscles that slim white men couldn't build without anabolic steroids.

    If blacks are underrepresented in the World's Strongest Man competition, it's because not enough of them are interested in competing. Besides, given the rampant PED abuse rumored to occur in WSM, victories in that arena might not be the best evidence to back up the claim that white people are just as athletic as black people.

    They are also known to have greater bone mineral density, which is why black women don't suffer from osteopenia and osteoporosis to the extent that white and Asian women do.

    “Muscle mass is muscle strength.”

    Bit crudely phrased, but good enough.

    ” Black men and women both have greater muscle mass than their average white counterparts. It’s visible to the naked eye.”

    On a statistical basis, yeah…

    ” The average black person is far more heavily built than whites of similar height,”

    This doesn’t square with what my lying eyes tell me. The average Black is slightly more heavily built than the average White.

    ” and even skinny black guys tend to have surprisingly large muscles that slim white men couldn’t build without anabolic steroids.”

    Again, my lying eyes say otherwise. There are plenty of ectomorphic Black guys and White guys at my gym. The ectomorphic Black guys, on average, have a somewhat lower bodyfat percentage, so their muscles are more visible. However, their muscles are not, on average, larger.

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  47. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    If the media wanted to save black lives, they might address the stupidity of resisting arrest. I’ve never been arrested, but the idea of shoving a cop would have never occurred to me. There’s nothing good that can come of it. But stoking resentment may be leading to more Garners and Browns.

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  48. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @syonredux
    "But since, man to man, blacks have a decisive edge against whites and non-blacks, "

    Do they? Some people in the HBD-sphere seem to have a, shall we say, exaggerated notion of Black physical prowess. Frankly, growing up, I saw my share of Black vs White after-school fights, and I don't recall Blacks winning a disproportionate share.

    From my experience in mostly black schools, blacks were much quicker to violence and more practiced at pre-fight intimidation rituals, but not more effective at actual fighting than other groups.

    My current gym is mostly white, but one of the strongest guys there is a black guy who looks very muscular due in part to his low body fat (a nice guy, btw – I suspect he’s of Caribbean ancestry). But I’m also one of the strongest guys there, so it’s kind of a shallow pool.

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  49. JimBoob says:

    Interesting that a simple broken windows policing tactic, telling two youths to stop walking in the street, netted an armed robbery suspect within minutes of the crime.

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  50. @Mr TRAP
    I guess drowning victims can't cry for help either huh
    SMH

    They can’t. That’s why a not insubstantial number drown in swimming pools and at beaches with people all around.

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  51. The average black person is far more heavily built than whites of similar height, and even skinny black guys tend to have surprisingly large muscles that slim white men couldn’t build without anabolic steroids.

    None of that is factually correct. It’s interesting that so many people repeat it all the same. My guess is that the primary exposure a lot of non-blacks have to blacks was in college – where the majority of the blacks got in on athletic scholarships. That particular subset of blacks is going to be large and athletic by definition.

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  52. matt says:

    Someone should calculate how often iSteve comment threads turn into creepy, slightly homoerotic debates about just how big and strong black men are.

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    Someone should calculate how often iSteve comment threads turn into creepy, slightly homoerotic debates about just how big and strong black men are.

    I guess if you're gay sex-obsessed, discussing physiological differences between males of different races can only be something gay males talk about. Among ordinary guys (gay or otherwise), it's just another topic of conversation no different from talking about whether tigers are stronger than lions.

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  53. Ivy [AKA "Roy Blunt"] says:

    Perp was walking in the middle of the street, carrying the cigars.
    Questions to ask:
    Was he also holding pot, and would that influence his response to police?
    Did cop hear any report of the cigar theft, whether identifying Brown, or not?
    If so, was perp described as black male, which wouldn’t be so unusual in Ferguson?

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  54. @Anon
    Here's the problem.

    If blacks weren't so big and strong, cops would be less nervous and think more in terms of using physical force against physical force to restrain them.

    But since, man to man, blacks have a decisive edge against whites and non-blacks, whites/non-blacks have to rely on extra-force against blacks, and that is the gun. But that can prove to be lethal and make the black guy out to be the 'victim'.

    Same thing with man vs woman.

    Physically, most women have no chance against men. So, to protect themselves from men or to gain dominance over men(if female cops are involved), women will have to rely on extra-force, and that may be the gun and prove to be lethal.

    Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.

    “Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.”
    than the civilized population, because they aren’t made for civilization

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  55. @Stealth
    Muscle mass is muscle strength. Black men and women both have greater muscle mass than their average white counterparts. It's visible to the naked eye. The average black person is far more heavily built than whites of similar height, and even skinny black guys tend to have surprisingly large muscles that slim white men couldn't build without anabolic steroids.

    If blacks are underrepresented in the World's Strongest Man competition, it's because not enough of them are interested in competing. Besides, given the rampant PED abuse rumored to occur in WSM, victories in that arena might not be the best evidence to back up the claim that white people are just as athletic as black people.

    They are also known to have greater bone mineral density, which is why black women don't suffer from osteopenia and osteoporosis to the extent that white and Asian women do.

    I can only hope my son is at least as high testosterone and high iq as I am

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  56. Marty says:

    I once had to guard a guy Michael Brown’s size, except all muscle, in a pick-up basketball game in Berkeley. Name of Regan Upshaw, a first round NFL pick. He said to me with a smile, “I’m beatin’ the sh*t outta you, huh?” He was right, too. Every bump hurt. I’m 5’10″/170.

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  57. rod1963 says:

    Use a choke hold on the bigger bucks and they go out like a candle. Though it tends to kill them since many are in bad shape from decades of boozing, smoking and drug use.

    The ones that take care of themselves are a minority. Generally once a black male gets money, it goes for 4 things:
    1) Ho’s.
    2) Booze
    3) Drugs.
    4) Smokes

    Diet? That’s LEAN, fried chicken and general junk food.

    Oh yeah, don’t expect anything out of them before 2 pm, since they’re still sleeping off the previous day’s partying.

    Black males aren’t better fighters, they’re better predators who go out of their way to ambush men who can give them a fight or simply attack and rape women who can’t fight back.

    Another thing that works in their favor is a hair trigger temper and a total disregard for the consequences. See blacks don’t think things through, they just act. That makes them dangerous and unpredictable.

    Go watch the series 48 Hours for those who don’t deal with blacks on a daily basis. You’ll see what the black male is really like.

    In society the reason why whites are polite to them is because the blacks are a “protected class” like gays(as long as the assailant isn’t black) and females(except when it comes to rape at the hands of a minority). If a white attacks a black he’ll face the wrath of a DA and often the DoJ as well who will crucify him. The only time whites can legally stand up to blacks is when they are breaking into our homes or businesses. Beyond that, blacks are off limits by edict of the government.

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  58. Anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Bob
    Those security cam pictures are amazing. They destroy the narrative that the media has been pushing more thoroughly than any number of words could do. After just a glance at the pics, it's just impossible to continue to claim that Brown was some harmless kid minding his own business before he was shot.

    It's not clear if the cop knew that Brown was a robbery suspect. However, it's clear that Brown knew what he had done 15 minutes earlier, and given his idiotic behavior at the store, it's not implausible that he would have tried to reach for the cop's gun. He was probably under the influence of something.

    Turns out the Ferguson police were the only ones protecting Ferguson. The state police are letting it burn. Irony after irony. Why was MB half in the cop car? Why did her run? When you don’t get the gun, you better run! Right Johnny Cochran? MB is as innocent as OJ.

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  59. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Olorin
    I have long tried to explain to my DWL friends, when they are talking about their pet straw humans, the Unarmed Black Teens, that most of the ones I ever knew in my 70% black city of origin/first 30 years were of the Michael Brown type. Enormous, nice maybe in spurts when they wanted something, vicious hairtrigger mean the rest of the time, and able to pummel anyone into the ground with their fists and feet.

    This video is a godsend...but go to the NYT and see how the only allowed comments on this story are people spinning it as him being a poor innocent murdered by the militarized po-leece while running away. I cannot believe that public opinion is as homogenous and batguano nuts as depicted in those comments. Particularly since everywhere I turn, I'm reading very different and complex responses to this event.

    I used to think conservatives were being hyperbolic by describing liberalism as a mental illness. Since 2008, I'm starting to agree.

    Women, gays, manboobz respond to dominance. One rule for betas, another for alphas. Bullying is fine if the guy is Black OR a guy with screaming teen girl fans like Bieber siccing his bodyguards on someone.

    See Fifty Shades of Grey. OK if the guy s a hunky dominant zillionaire she can change. Not ok if he is a geek asking her for coffee in an elevator.

    There is no downside for the media. Its all about women and gays extending alpha privilege.

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  60. even skinny black guys tend to have surprisingly large muscles that slim white men couldn’t build without anabolic steroids.

    What makes you think those black guys have not been using steroids and other PEDs?

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  61. Luke Lea says:

    What are the odds that Brown was drunk?

    If he really bum-rushed the police officer I’d speculate PCP. Or else really, really drunk or high on something.

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  62. @Kentuckian
    "Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles"

    Using anecdotal evidence, I went to public school in Atlanta GA and was only 1 out of 3 of the only White guys on the entire football team. I was, I'd say, worthy of starting by my freshman year, but every one of the black coach was convinced I was just meant to be a kicker (which I did do on the side while playing as a JV linebacker. To the black coaches, white boy = kicker.) In context my school was god-awful at football, but I started sophomore year and up and was likely the top 3 players on the team.

    Tougher? Maybe, but I've always been amazed in High School football how the black kids would quit when it got down to a grind, or simply not show up to practice. Since civil rights, it's almost as if a hard days work has simply been bred out of them, so hence Mexicans have come to replace them.

    Stronger, I'd say its about equal with White dudes, though athletically blacks are superior. One big reason for the perception that Whites are smaller is because professional, higher-IQ urban Whites live in the same vicinity with poor urban blacks. These Whites come from the bloodlines of doctors, lawyers, etc etc, without really long family histories of athletes and big manual laborers. Go out to the country though...and the good old boys on average run bigger, so that perception is likely from the urban whitey effect.

    The aggression just comes from constant fighting in the hood, so a lot of mestizo kids have this, errrr, quality as well. I never fought once in my entire life before 8th grade growing up in my nice White suburb; my first week at my new all black high school, I got into a fight.

    If your a White dad with a White son, make him do boxing and wrestling if he's growing up in a super-safe Whitopia, because the tyrannical nannyism of his all-White school won't ever give him an opportunity to scrap. Without a couple bloody fights under his belt by at least the age of 16, it will give your little white snowflake a mental aggression handicap unfit for our increasingly non-White world

    Yes, blacks are more aggressive, can't disagree with that. Also, blacks have hair-trigger aggression like no other group I've ever seen: a lot of fights blacks get into seem stupidly spontaneous, just seconds after jovial "my n****," to fists flying. None of that seething YT boy stuff with trash talk, bad history, and evil eye staring crap.

    +1!

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  63. Robinson says:

    I once, on a whim, bought an expensive jump rope, leather with bearings in the handles, to use for exercise at work. The strongest guy in the building was a white guy and when he tried it, he looked like a girl skipping. I was a little better. However, every black guy wanted to try it and they were all amazingly proficient, even a sixty-plus porter with two bad knees. The weightlifting records show that whites, at the extremes, are stronger than blacks, but the overall combination of power, speed and proprioception gives the upper hand to blacks.

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  64. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Here's the problem.

    If blacks weren't so big and strong, cops would be less nervous and think more in terms of using physical force against physical force to restrain them.

    But since, man to man, blacks have a decisive edge against whites and non-blacks, whites/non-blacks have to rely on extra-force against blacks, and that is the gun. But that can prove to be lethal and make the black guy out to be the 'victim'.

    Same thing with man vs woman.

    Physically, most women have no chance against men. So, to protect themselves from men or to gain dominance over men(if female cops are involved), women will have to rely on extra-force, and that may be the gun and prove to be lethal.

    Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.

    “Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive,”

    You ever been to a professional strongman contest? Blacks are almost invisible there.

    I DO AGREE that blacks are more aggressive, probably because of their lower I.Q.’s, poor impulse controls and lack of long term planning. Most whites and probably Asians, are not going to just fight at the drop of a hat and don’t have the “in your face” mentality of many blacks. This difference may make blacks APPEAR to be tougher, but that is just an illusion.

    Don’t forget too, athletics and entertainment tend to be the only avenues blacks tend to excel in, while whites and Asians dominate many other areas.

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  65. jackson says:

    Turns out the DOJ of Color wanted the Ferguson PD to hide the video of Brown robbing the store. “It would roil the community further.” Ha ha.

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  66. Ed says:
    @Kentuckian
    "Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles"

    Using anecdotal evidence, I went to public school in Atlanta GA and was only 1 out of 3 of the only White guys on the entire football team. I was, I'd say, worthy of starting by my freshman year, but every one of the black coach was convinced I was just meant to be a kicker (which I did do on the side while playing as a JV linebacker. To the black coaches, white boy = kicker.) In context my school was god-awful at football, but I started sophomore year and up and was likely the top 3 players on the team.

    Tougher? Maybe, but I've always been amazed in High School football how the black kids would quit when it got down to a grind, or simply not show up to practice. Since civil rights, it's almost as if a hard days work has simply been bred out of them, so hence Mexicans have come to replace them.

    Stronger, I'd say its about equal with White dudes, though athletically blacks are superior. One big reason for the perception that Whites are smaller is because professional, higher-IQ urban Whites live in the same vicinity with poor urban blacks. These Whites come from the bloodlines of doctors, lawyers, etc etc, without really long family histories of athletes and big manual laborers. Go out to the country though...and the good old boys on average run bigger, so that perception is likely from the urban whitey effect.

    The aggression just comes from constant fighting in the hood, so a lot of mestizo kids have this, errrr, quality as well. I never fought once in my entire life before 8th grade growing up in my nice White suburb; my first week at my new all black high school, I got into a fight.

    If your a White dad with a White son, make him do boxing and wrestling if he's growing up in a super-safe Whitopia, because the tyrannical nannyism of his all-White school won't ever give him an opportunity to scrap. Without a couple bloody fights under his belt by at least the age of 16, it will give your little white snowflake a mental aggression handicap unfit for our increasingly non-White world

    Yes, blacks are more aggressive, can't disagree with that. Also, blacks have hair-trigger aggression like no other group I've ever seen: a lot of fights blacks get into seem stupidly spontaneous, just seconds after jovial "my n****," to fists flying. None of that seething YT boy stuff with trash talk, bad history, and evil eye staring crap.

    Exactly. It depends where you live. I live in Southern MD and the White boys down here generally give as good as they get. Whereas up in DC the white population is overwhelmingly made up of professional types that are not physically imposing or comfortable using their hands in a confrontation.

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    Whereas up in DC the white population is overwhelmingly made up of professional types that are not physically imposing or comfortable using their hands in a confrontation.

    There are 4.4 million people living in metropolitan Washington. No settlement that large or variegated is 'overwhelmingly made up of professional types' . Some subfragment of an upscale suburb, perhaps.
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  67. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    Here's the problem.

    If blacks weren't so big and strong, cops would be less nervous and think more in terms of using physical force against physical force to restrain them.

    But since, man to man, blacks have a decisive edge against whites and non-blacks, whites/non-blacks have to rely on extra-force against blacks, and that is the gun. But that can prove to be lethal and make the black guy out to be the 'victim'.

    Same thing with man vs woman.

    Physically, most women have no chance against men. So, to protect themselves from men or to gain dominance over men(if female cops are involved), women will have to rely on extra-force, and that may be the gun and prove to be lethal.

    Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.

    I don’t think blacks are stronger then whites. Not in the aggregate. Sure you see a lot of blacks in the NFL but where else do you see them? At a science convention? Blacks tend to have a lower body fat content then whites, because of their origins in hot tropical Africa. Whites needed more body fat because they lived in cold northern Europe. This makes many blacks appear more muscular because it gives you great definition. Bruce Lee, although ethnically Chinese, was an example of this. He was a small man but had great definition and looked very muscular because he had very low levels of body fat. I do agree that blacks are more aggressive. I’ve seen this in black females as well. I once had a black female I worked with go bat-shit crazy on me. She was morbidly obese but thought she was hot. There was some work that her and another black employee was supposed to have completed hours before I arrived. When i mentioned it to her she went insane. I never saw such a spontaneous, hysterical outburst of anger and viciousness. I believe blacks even have a term for this. They call it “going off” on someone. Amazingly the next day she acted like nothing had ever happened, and a week later had our boss call me to ask why i wasn’t “communicating” with her.

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  68. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Musculature on the average black males sure look much more impressive than other races and their overwhelming success in sports that require explosive athleticism would have to lead any objective observer to conclude they have a natural athletic edge.

    But more than this, what stands African Americans most apart from other U.S. ethnicities is their over-the-top aggressiveness. As James Brown would say: “I don’t know karate, but I know c-razy.” There are some mild-mannered blacks, but I would say around 2/3 of blacks I’ve worked with see themselves as by-far the craziest mother-f’er in the room at all times. Even black women, or maybe especially black women, regard it as a fundamental part of their personality that they are prepared to ratchet things up to the next (and craziest) level more than anyone else. I’m sure a lot of this is because of black’s unique cultural history in this country. But the insane levels blacks are willing to take things is always rather shocking.

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    "There are some mild-mannered blacks, but I would say around 2/3 of blacks I’ve worked with see themselves as by-far the craziest mother-f’er in the room at all times"

    As a corollary they are unusually sensitive to the presence of another crazy motherfucker
    , @lurker
    Even black women, or maybe especially black women, regard it as a fundamental part of their personality that they are prepared to ratchet things up to the next (and craziest) level more than anyone else.

    I used to have a black girlfriend and she sometimes flipped into this mode (only a few times) not really directed at me. As a nice white liberal I was quite taken aback at first but learned to cope.

    Its when I finally found out what the phrase "blazing eyes" really meant!

    It didn't last long, almost switched off as quick as it started. I would look her in the eye and then she would laugh and the moment had passed and soon she would be purring like a pussycat again.

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  69. prosa123 [AKA "Peter"] says: • Website

    Musculature on the average black males sure look much more impressive than other races and their overwhelming success in sports that require explosive athleticism would have to lead any objective observer to conclude they have a natural athletic edge.

    Black male musculature is somewhat more prominent on average, due to lower body fat levels, but it’s scarcely “much more impressive.” It does not translate into greater physical strength.

    Blacks are dominant in only a handful of sports.

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    Iron Rails, you really are an egregious a-hole. Spending an entire lifetime trying to persuade people that blacks are no different physically. I speculate that you work for Morris Dees or are a public defender. Why don't you try something scientific? Just find a black person, man or woman, who's within 20 lbs. of you, and say something provocative, like, "how come you people are out to destroy civilization?" Then see how your strength stacks up. I hate you.
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  70. viking says:
    @Anon
    Here's the problem.

    If blacks weren't so big and strong, cops would be less nervous and think more in terms of using physical force against physical force to restrain them.

    But since, man to man, blacks have a decisive edge against whites and non-blacks, whites/non-blacks have to rely on extra-force against blacks, and that is the gun. But that can prove to be lethal and make the black guy out to be the 'victim'.

    Same thing with man vs woman.

    Physically, most women have no chance against men. So, to protect themselves from men or to gain dominance over men(if female cops are involved), women will have to rely on extra-force, and that may be the gun and prove to be lethal.

    Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.

    then maybe liberals shouldnt have changed laws requiring police to be huge irishmen

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  71. viking says:
    @Auntie Analogue
    Michael Brown: the first bully whom Enemedia-Pravda have canonized as Saint Bully.

    Hey isnt that Obamas son

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  72. It is an interesting question: are blacks really stronger than caucasians? (Of course black in this context means “of westafrican ancestry” and not “dark skinned” since dark-skinned would include east Africans or South Asians)
    On one hand they have bigger bone density, which is a fact as far as I know. This a HUGE advantage. Second they have higher muslce tons, this is again a advantage. On the other hand I have the impression that Caucasians have on average bigger wrists and hands, which is an advantage, too. Looking at sports gives a mixed impression:
    in olympic wrestling caucasians are very successful, but there are some cultural factors playing into this, like the fascination the people of the caucasus region have for the sport. And there are very successful black wrestlers too, like recently Mijain Lopez. All in all I would still say caucasians are better in olympic wrestling which you would expect given their relatively to blacks lower body balance point. In olympic weightlifting there is a similar picture.
    As others have pointed out Caucasians are the only ones who compete in those sports, and maybe they are the only ones who are able to do so. Maybe to be this kind of giant you have to be big in every possible way, and even big blacks have hips which are not as wide as those of big caucasians.
    Then there is the niche-sport of arm wrestling. Again it is only whites who seem to compete, maybe it is just to small as a sport with to few competitors to give any relevant information.
    In American Football Blacks are of course the best, and those men are giants. But they have to be giants who can also run – correct me if I am wrong, I do not know the sport very well – and may it is just this combination of strength/running ability which in which blacks are the best.
    Last but not least there is MMA. Contrary to strongest man competitions this sport is very big, a lot of people take part, there is high reputation, it is not overrun by eastern europeans and I think there is few doping. In this sport up to now caucasians have been much more successful than blacks.
    On the other side again there is Teddy Riner, this black judoka who has won every fight for years. I suppose he would be the best in MMA, too, with some punching training.
    All in all I would say it is close between blacks and caucasians. But still blacks do have deeper voices and on average a more masculine way. In the end it is enough to be much more successful at the partner market.
    One thing which is clear: East Asians are on average much weaker than both whites and blacks

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  73. Blacks tend to have a lower body fat content then whites

    No, they don’t.

    http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v26/n12/full/0802167a.html

    Blacks do not have lower body fat than whites. White women have lower body fat than black women, and black and white men have essentially identical body fat levels. Not that mere facts ever change peoples opinions on this topic …

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  74. Someone should calculate how often iSteve comment threads turn into creepy, slightly homoerotic debates about just how big and strong black men are.

    What’s irritating is that it’s not a matter for debate, the data is out there and people post links to it. Black men are not in fact unusually big and strong. Or exceptionally lean and muscular, or possessed of exceptionally high testosterone levels, or whatever myth is being peddled today.

    They are fast runners though.

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    Anecdotally, it seems like there are more blacks on the ecto-mesomorph end of the spectrum and more on the endomorph end of the spectrum than in the middle. So it may be that there is little difference between whites and blacks on average, and yet our lying eyes aren't deceiving us when we see muscular black men walking around with single digit % body fat. That's a look that seems rare even on white athletes. Most white basketball players, for example, don't look as cut as their black teammates.

    Occasionally, you see a ripped white athlete (e.g., Giants punter Steve Weatherford), but it usually requires heroic dieting on their part. Weatherford eats salad without the dressing when he takes his wife out to dinner, after having eaten a turkey burger without the bun at home.
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  75. There’s a rather infelicitous turn of phrase that I used to hear on The Howard Stern Show all the time – before went PC. The term was r*tard strength which referenced the unbelievable strength that less mentally capable people can display at times.

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  76. Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles

    Not tougher or stronger, but more aggressive. Hoewever, the big difference is time preference, which explains much of the aggressiveness; Blacks are much more present-oriented.

    They value the future less, which means they value future life less and are willing to risk death over relatively trivial matters. That’s the real asymmetry.

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    They value the future less, which means they value future life less and are willing to risk death over relatively trivial matters. That’s the real asymmetry.

    It might help you in the future if you insert the names of real people you know as subjects in sentences like this and see if it still makes sense. As in "Curtis values future life less and is willing to risk death over relatively trivial matters.".
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  77. Art Deco says: • Website
    @ben tillman

    Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles
     
    Not tougher or stronger, but more aggressive. Hoewever, the big difference is time preference, which explains much of the aggressiveness; Blacks are much more present-oriented.

    They value the future less, which means they value future life less and are willing to risk death over relatively trivial matters. That's the real asymmetry.

    They value the future less, which means they value future life less and are willing to risk death over relatively trivial matters. That’s the real asymmetry.

    It might help you in the future if you insert the names of real people you know as subjects in sentences like this and see if it still makes sense. As in “Curtis values future life less and is willing to risk death over relatively trivial matters.”.

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  78. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Greenstalk
    Someone should calculate how often iSteve comment threads turn into creepy, slightly homoerotic debates about just how big and strong black men are.

    What's irritating is that it's not a matter for debate, the data is out there and people post links to it. Black men are not in fact unusually big and strong. Or exceptionally lean and muscular, or possessed of exceptionally high testosterone levels, or whatever myth is being peddled today.

    They are fast runners though.

    Anecdotally, it seems like there are more blacks on the ecto-mesomorph end of the spectrum and more on the endomorph end of the spectrum than in the middle. So it may be that there is little difference between whites and blacks on average, and yet our lying eyes aren’t deceiving us when we see muscular black men walking around with single digit % body fat. That’s a look that seems rare even on white athletes. Most white basketball players, for example, don’t look as cut as their black teammates.

    Occasionally, you see a ripped white athlete (e.g., Giants punter Steve Weatherford), but it usually requires heroic dieting on their part. Weatherford eats salad without the dressing when he takes his wife out to dinner, after having eaten a turkey burger without the bun at home.

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  79. Art Deco says: • Website
    @Ed
    Exactly. It depends where you live. I live in Southern MD and the White boys down here generally give as good as they get. Whereas up in DC the white population is overwhelmingly made up of professional types that are not physically imposing or comfortable using their hands in a confrontation.

    Whereas up in DC the white population is overwhelmingly made up of professional types that are not physically imposing or comfortable using their hands in a confrontation.

    There are 4.4 million people living in metropolitan Washington. No settlement that large or variegated is ‘overwhelmingly made up of professional types’ . Some subfragment of an upscale suburb, perhaps.

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    You would be surprised. It is very rare to meet a white person in the DC area who is not a professional. Easily 9 out of ten people .
    , @Ed
    I'm actually speaking of DC proper not the entire area. In DC the white population is one of the most homogeneous in terms of class in the country. Almost all are college educated professionals, a grand total of 1% of the whites are on food stamps.
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  80. Art Deco says: • Website

    “Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.”
    than the civilized population, because they aren’t made for civilization

    Maybe you should send a letter to the prime minister of the Bahamas and inform him that his affluent countrymen with their anglophile political habits and legal institutions ‘aren’t made for civilization’.

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    The Bahamas are one small group of islands. About 300,000 people live there. What about Haiti? Murder-island Jamaica? All of sub-Saharan Africa? There are dozens of black countries in the world and hundreds of millions of blacks living in them. If anything the Bahamas may be the exception that proves the rule.
    , @Difference Maker
    "Maybe you should send a letter to the prime minister of the Bahamas and inform him that his affluent countrymen with their anglophile political habits and legal institutions ‘aren’t made for civilization’."

    Maybe I will

    I will definitely sneer at your publicly admitted cowardice though
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  81. Marty says:
    @prosa123
    Musculature on the average black males sure look much more impressive than other races and their overwhelming success in sports that require explosive athleticism would have to lead any objective observer to conclude they have a natural athletic edge.

    Black male musculature is somewhat more prominent on average, due to lower body fat levels, but it's scarcely "much more impressive." It does not translate into greater physical strength.

    Blacks are dominant in only a handful of sports.

    Iron Rails, you really are an egregious a-hole. Spending an entire lifetime trying to persuade people that blacks are no different physically. I speculate that you work for Morris Dees or are a public defender. Why don’t you try something scientific? Just find a black person, man or woman, who’s within 20 lbs. of you, and say something provocative, like, “how come you people are out to destroy civilization?” Then see how your strength stacks up. I hate you.

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  82. Anecdotally, it seems like there are more blacks on the ecto-mesomorph end of the spectrum and more on the endomorph end of the spectrum than in the middle. So it may be that there is little difference between whites and blacks on average, and yet our lying eyes aren’t deceiving us when we see muscular black men walking around with single digit % body fat.

    Nope, doesn’t fly. See the standard deviation numbers included in the data. You did look at the data, right? Table 7 in particular.

    Most white basketball players, for example, don’t look as cut as their black teammates.

    There’s the problem – people are making these sweeping statements about what “whites” and “blacks” look like based, not on actual blacks and whites, but on the subjective impressions of a tiny handful of people they’ve seen on TV. Even if, hypothetically, Lebron James really does have measurably lower body fat than Pau Gasol, it does not mean that blacks have lower body fat then whites.

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  83. It might help you in the future if you insert the names of real people you know as subjects in sentences like this and see if it still makes sense. As in “Curtis values future life less and is willing to risk death over relatively trivial matters.”.

    How about “Michael Brown values (or valued) future life less and is (was) willing to risk death over relatively trivial matters like some cigars or being dissed by a white cop”?

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  84. @Art Deco
    Whereas up in DC the white population is overwhelmingly made up of professional types that are not physically imposing or comfortable using their hands in a confrontation.

    There are 4.4 million people living in metropolitan Washington. No settlement that large or variegated is 'overwhelmingly made up of professional types' . Some subfragment of an upscale suburb, perhaps.

    You would be surprised. It is very rare to meet a white person in the DC area who is not a professional. Easily 9 out of ten people .

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  85. Escher says:
    @Olorin
    I have long tried to explain to my DWL friends, when they are talking about their pet straw humans, the Unarmed Black Teens, that most of the ones I ever knew in my 70% black city of origin/first 30 years were of the Michael Brown type. Enormous, nice maybe in spurts when they wanted something, vicious hairtrigger mean the rest of the time, and able to pummel anyone into the ground with their fists and feet.

    This video is a godsend...but go to the NYT and see how the only allowed comments on this story are people spinning it as him being a poor innocent murdered by the militarized po-leece while running away. I cannot believe that public opinion is as homogenous and batguano nuts as depicted in those comments. Particularly since everywhere I turn, I'm reading very different and complex responses to this event.

    I used to think conservatives were being hyperbolic by describing liberalism as a mental illness. Since 2008, I'm starting to agree.

    Be careful about giving the police too much leeway. Today it is a ghetto thug, tomorrow it could be you that gets shot for not showing enough deference to Stormtrooper Fife.

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    It could be, but then again, it's not a thin line between ghetto thug and law-abiding citizen, and as long as that line is respected, the objections will be limited to the looting demographics.
    , @Ozymandias
    "Be careful about giving the police too much leeway. Today it is a ghetto thug, tomorrow it could be you that gets shot for not showing enough deference to Stormtrooper Fife."

    Oddly, Stormtrooper Fife does not patrol my neighborhood. Seems there was no need.
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  86. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Art Deco
    “Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.”
    than the civilized population, because they aren’t made for civilization


    Maybe you should send a letter to the prime minister of the Bahamas and inform him that his affluent countrymen with their anglophile political habits and legal institutions 'aren't made for civilization'.

    The Bahamas are one small group of islands. About 300,000 people live there. What about Haiti? Murder-island Jamaica? All of sub-Saharan Africa? There are dozens of black countries in the world and hundreds of millions of blacks living in them. If anything the Bahamas may be the exception that proves the rule.

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  87. @anon
    Musculature on the average black males sure look much more impressive than other races and their overwhelming success in sports that require explosive athleticism would have to lead any objective observer to conclude they have a natural athletic edge.

    But more than this, what stands African Americans most apart from other U.S. ethnicities is their over-the-top aggressiveness. As James Brown would say: "I don't know karate, but I know c-razy." There are some mild-mannered blacks, but I would say around 2/3 of blacks I've worked with see themselves as by-far the craziest mother-f'er in the room at all times. Even black women, or maybe especially black women, regard it as a fundamental part of their personality that they are prepared to ratchet things up to the next (and craziest) level more than anyone else. I'm sure a lot of this is because of black's unique cultural history in this country. But the insane levels blacks are willing to take things is always rather shocking.

    “There are some mild-mannered blacks, but I would say around 2/3 of blacks I’ve worked with see themselves as by-far the craziest mother-f’er in the room at all times”

    As a corollary they are unusually sensitive to the presence of another crazy motherfucker

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  88. @Art Deco
    “Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.”
    than the civilized population, because they aren’t made for civilization


    Maybe you should send a letter to the prime minister of the Bahamas and inform him that his affluent countrymen with their anglophile political habits and legal institutions 'aren't made for civilization'.

    “Maybe you should send a letter to the prime minister of the Bahamas and inform him that his affluent countrymen with their anglophile political habits and legal institutions ‘aren’t made for civilization’.”

    Maybe I will

    I will definitely sneer at your publicly admitted cowardice though

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  89. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @matt
    Someone should calculate how often iSteve comment threads turn into creepy, slightly homoerotic debates about just how big and strong black men are.

    Someone should calculate how often iSteve comment threads turn into creepy, slightly homoerotic debates about just how big and strong black men are.

    I guess if you’re gay sex-obsessed, discussing physiological differences between males of different races can only be something gay males talk about. Among ordinary guys (gay or otherwise), it’s just another topic of conversation no different from talking about whether tigers are stronger than lions.

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  90. Ed says:
    @Art Deco
    Whereas up in DC the white population is overwhelmingly made up of professional types that are not physically imposing or comfortable using their hands in a confrontation.

    There are 4.4 million people living in metropolitan Washington. No settlement that large or variegated is 'overwhelmingly made up of professional types' . Some subfragment of an upscale suburb, perhaps.

    I’m actually speaking of DC proper not the entire area. In DC the white population is one of the most homogeneous in terms of class in the country. Almost all are college educated professionals, a grand total of 1% of the whites are on food stamps.

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  91. Brutusale says:

    Forty years of regular gym observations:

    Black guys almost always have better bodies than equivalently-trained white guys. Much more ripped.
    Black guys have to do a lot more work on their legs, especially their calves, to get anything approaching the size that white guys get.
    Black guys’ size often isn’t as representative of their actual strength as white guys the same size.
    Black guys are far more interested in the state of their bodies than white guys, because in many cases, they don’t have much else to bring to the table.

    I’ve lifted with guys (and a few women) of all shapes, sizes and colors over the years. Three stand out:
    A gigantic Irish national in college who was NCAA hammer throw champion; his senior year he had to go over to the Harvard field to throw after taking down sections of chain link at our field. I occasionally spotted for him while he did 500+ lb. bench sets.
    A pudgy Italian/Irish kid from Southie who lost his left forearm to a tree chipper. He lifted with a plastic forearm/claw hand, and he also was a 500+ lb. bencher. He finished 2nd in the nation Paralympic powerlifting championships one year.
    A kid who was a federal agent of German ancestry, 5’9″ and about 170 lbs., and he maxed out at 365 lbs. on the bench.

    But anyone who has spent any time among the country folk will tell you that the hills are full of tiny rednecks with retard strength who’ll put your lights out.

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    In my experience at the gym and training with a few of them, black guys tended to focus on the 'show' muscles like arms and chest and not at all on other muscle groups like calves, hamstrings, thighs, lower back etc. These muscle groups don't 'show' much even when well developed. I would see a lot of black guys bench impressive levels of weight but couldn't squat worth a darn or have any calf development.
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  92. Marko says:
    @Kentuckian
    "Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles"

    Using anecdotal evidence, I went to public school in Atlanta GA and was only 1 out of 3 of the only White guys on the entire football team. I was, I'd say, worthy of starting by my freshman year, but every one of the black coach was convinced I was just meant to be a kicker (which I did do on the side while playing as a JV linebacker. To the black coaches, white boy = kicker.) In context my school was god-awful at football, but I started sophomore year and up and was likely the top 3 players on the team.

    Tougher? Maybe, but I've always been amazed in High School football how the black kids would quit when it got down to a grind, or simply not show up to practice. Since civil rights, it's almost as if a hard days work has simply been bred out of them, so hence Mexicans have come to replace them.

    Stronger, I'd say its about equal with White dudes, though athletically blacks are superior. One big reason for the perception that Whites are smaller is because professional, higher-IQ urban Whites live in the same vicinity with poor urban blacks. These Whites come from the bloodlines of doctors, lawyers, etc etc, without really long family histories of athletes and big manual laborers. Go out to the country though...and the good old boys on average run bigger, so that perception is likely from the urban whitey effect.

    The aggression just comes from constant fighting in the hood, so a lot of mestizo kids have this, errrr, quality as well. I never fought once in my entire life before 8th grade growing up in my nice White suburb; my first week at my new all black high school, I got into a fight.

    If your a White dad with a White son, make him do boxing and wrestling if he's growing up in a super-safe Whitopia, because the tyrannical nannyism of his all-White school won't ever give him an opportunity to scrap. Without a couple bloody fights under his belt by at least the age of 16, it will give your little white snowflake a mental aggression handicap unfit for our increasingly non-White world

    Yes, blacks are more aggressive, can't disagree with that. Also, blacks have hair-trigger aggression like no other group I've ever seen: a lot of fights blacks get into seem stupidly spontaneous, just seconds after jovial "my n****," to fists flying. None of that seething YT boy stuff with trash talk, bad history, and evil eye staring crap.

    Two words… “farm kids”. There are some hard working and STRONG folks.

    On pure genetics (at least for strength), I think Tongans must take the cake.

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  94. @Escher
    Be careful about giving the police too much leeway. Today it is a ghetto thug, tomorrow it could be you that gets shot for not showing enough deference to Stormtrooper Fife.

    It could be, but then again, it’s not a thin line between ghetto thug and law-abiding citizen, and as long as that line is respected, the objections will be limited to the looting demographics.

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  95. lurker says:
    @anon
    Musculature on the average black males sure look much more impressive than other races and their overwhelming success in sports that require explosive athleticism would have to lead any objective observer to conclude they have a natural athletic edge.

    But more than this, what stands African Americans most apart from other U.S. ethnicities is their over-the-top aggressiveness. As James Brown would say: "I don't know karate, but I know c-razy." There are some mild-mannered blacks, but I would say around 2/3 of blacks I've worked with see themselves as by-far the craziest mother-f'er in the room at all times. Even black women, or maybe especially black women, regard it as a fundamental part of their personality that they are prepared to ratchet things up to the next (and craziest) level more than anyone else. I'm sure a lot of this is because of black's unique cultural history in this country. But the insane levels blacks are willing to take things is always rather shocking.

    Even black women, or maybe especially black women, regard it as a fundamental part of their personality that they are prepared to ratchet things up to the next (and craziest) level more than anyone else.

    I used to have a black girlfriend and she sometimes flipped into this mode (only a few times) not really directed at me. As a nice white liberal I was quite taken aback at first but learned to cope.

    Its when I finally found out what the phrase “blazing eyes” really meant!

    It didn’t last long, almost switched off as quick as it started. I would look her in the eye and then she would laugh and the moment had passed and soon she would be purring like a pussycat again.

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  96. In my athletic experiences in general playing basketball and soccer, here is what I gathered:

    Speed: blacks over whites
    Coordination: Blacks over whites
    Strength: Whites over blacks
    Mental toughness: Whites over blacks
    Improvisation: Blacks over whites
    Intelligence/discipline: Whites over blacks
    Endurance: Whites over blacks

    In general blacks are better at basketball because of their skills at improvisation, their speed, and their coordination. A good white basketball big man is usually is freakishly strong and hardworking to do grunt work like get rebounds and defend. A good white guard is generally intelligent enough do do the practice required to shoot 3′s, defend, and execute plays well.

    Blacks are generally worse at soccer because of their inferior conditioning, discipline, and mental toughness. Blacks tend to do well at forward where they can improvise, use their speed, and not worry about defending. Blacks also do well at outside back, where speed is very important, and conditioning less so. A black player might have a dazzling touch but also grow tired easier, be unwilling to defend, and be constantly out of position.

    Source: 20 years of experience in organized and pick-up soccer and basketball.

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  97. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Brutusale
    Forty years of regular gym observations:

    Black guys almost always have better bodies than equivalently-trained white guys. Much more ripped.
    Black guys have to do a lot more work on their legs, especially their calves, to get anything approaching the size that white guys get.
    Black guys' size often isn't as representative of their actual strength as white guys the same size.
    Black guys are far more interested in the state of their bodies than white guys, because in many cases, they don't have much else to bring to the table.

    I've lifted with guys (and a few women) of all shapes, sizes and colors over the years. Three stand out:
    A gigantic Irish national in college who was NCAA hammer throw champion; his senior year he had to go over to the Harvard field to throw after taking down sections of chain link at our field. I occasionally spotted for him while he did 500+ lb. bench sets.
    A pudgy Italian/Irish kid from Southie who lost his left forearm to a tree chipper. He lifted with a plastic forearm/claw hand, and he also was a 500+ lb. bencher. He finished 2nd in the nation Paralympic powerlifting championships one year.
    A kid who was a federal agent of German ancestry, 5'9" and about 170 lbs., and he maxed out at 365 lbs. on the bench.

    But anyone who has spent any time among the country folk will tell you that the hills are full of tiny rednecks with retard strength who'll put your lights out.

    In my experience at the gym and training with a few of them, black guys tended to focus on the ‘show’ muscles like arms and chest and not at all on other muscle groups like calves, hamstrings, thighs, lower back etc. These muscle groups don’t ‘show’ much even when well developed. I would see a lot of black guys bench impressive levels of weight but couldn’t squat worth a darn or have any calf development.

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    True that. There's a black guy at my current gym I occasionally train with, an impressive physical specimen, whose calves are smaller than his imposing forearms. I make fun of the pipe stems he's walking around on, and he laughs and says he's done trying to get any size, and it's genetic anyway. One of the few not ducking the truth.

    My experience is that most guys don't work their legs much; as you say, it's about the upper body. I always find it funny when I see youngsters at the gym grinding away with the curl bar who, when you ask them what they're training for, say "Football!".

    Women, on the other hand, ALL do legs. And upper arms, their "problem" area.
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  98. @Anon
    Here's the problem.

    If blacks weren't so big and strong, cops would be less nervous and think more in terms of using physical force against physical force to restrain them.

    But since, man to man, blacks have a decisive edge against whites and non-blacks, whites/non-blacks have to rely on extra-force against blacks, and that is the gun. But that can prove to be lethal and make the black guy out to be the 'victim'.

    Same thing with man vs woman.

    Physically, most women have no chance against men. So, to protect themselves from men or to gain dominance over men(if female cops are involved), women will have to rely on extra-force, and that may be the gun and prove to be lethal.

    Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.

    I am a little put off by all this talk of Brown being a giant. I’m also 6’4″as is our host Mr. Sailer. I would like to get down under 300 lbs. like Mike was. It is true that I wasn’t always this big. When I was his age I was only about 6’3″ – hardly more than Trayvon Martin. As Steve well knows 6’4″ is about the 99th percentile of height. That means that in a city or large town you will likely see about two men that tall or taller in a walk around the city center.

    This is not what people mean when they speak of giants.

    Hong Man Choi is a real giant. See:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o7lrNQZ8K8

    Black aggressiveness and bullying which seems to have been on display in this fortuitous video is generally believed to stem from three factors:

    1. Frontal disinhibition
    2. MAOA
    3. Pleiotropic melanocortin effects

    Black people – by which I mean people descended from Sub Saharan African – have smaller brains than the other two major races but more importantly their neurological deficits are in the frontal lobes. This is believed to provide less inhibition to the subcortical structures that potentiate anger and aggression like the amygdala. In the mental health profession they sometimes joke that an angry person is being ‘frontal’.

    The MAOA promoter sequences are present in all people but the longer your repeater sequence the less aggressive you seem to be. About 5% of all blacks have the 2R pattern. It isn’t clear if there are any whites who are 2R. If there are, it is a tiny fraction of the population – less than .1%. MAOA controls the circulation of neurotransmitters in the brain. The longer repeat sequences lower the high levels of excitatory neurotransmitters faster.

    Finally black skin itself may be what accounts for the astonishingly high levels of violence among blacks. Phil Rushton’s final paper noted that darker skin (fur , shell, feathers, integument of any kind) made the animal more aggressive. This is true for mammals, birds, reptiles, fish and insects. He wanted to study the question as to whether that was also true for humans.

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  99. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jefferson
    "The victim wasn’t a homo but a Hindu, and American sympathies are limited to Jews, blacks, and homos."

    Hispanics and Muslims as well. Hence a strong support for amnesty and open borders. And also why many articles are written about how there is an "epidemic" of Islamophobia in the U.S.

    Go to hell white people are asshole also there are plenty around us everyday trying to be black always lying out in the sun trying to get darker what’s up with that if you so proud of being white stop going to get darker what’s up with that stay out of
    tanning booths and stay out the sun getting nasty skin cancer.

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  100. Brutusale says:
    @Anonymous
    In my experience at the gym and training with a few of them, black guys tended to focus on the 'show' muscles like arms and chest and not at all on other muscle groups like calves, hamstrings, thighs, lower back etc. These muscle groups don't 'show' much even when well developed. I would see a lot of black guys bench impressive levels of weight but couldn't squat worth a darn or have any calf development.

    True that. There’s a black guy at my current gym I occasionally train with, an impressive physical specimen, whose calves are smaller than his imposing forearms. I make fun of the pipe stems he’s walking around on, and he laughs and says he’s done trying to get any size, and it’s genetic anyway. One of the few not ducking the truth.

    My experience is that most guys don’t work their legs much; as you say, it’s about the upper body. I always find it funny when I see youngsters at the gym grinding away with the curl bar who, when you ask them what they’re training for, say “Football!”.

    Women, on the other hand, ALL do legs. And upper arms, their “problem” area.

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  101. @Escher
    Be careful about giving the police too much leeway. Today it is a ghetto thug, tomorrow it could be you that gets shot for not showing enough deference to Stormtrooper Fife.

    “Be careful about giving the police too much leeway. Today it is a ghetto thug, tomorrow it could be you that gets shot for not showing enough deference to Stormtrooper Fife.”

    Oddly, Stormtrooper Fife does not patrol my neighborhood. Seems there was no need.

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    I find it incredible that the media side with, and only show the side of the wailing bleeding hearts. Why is there no interview with the store owner that is in the video? Hiding the facts and blinding the public from the truth is an ongoing tactic that makes society dysfunctional. If the truth were told maybe bully Brown would be judged for what he was, a thug.

    I don't think he deserved to die but I do believe he might have been on an adrenaline rush and trying to prove that he was the king of the hood, and it is this that brought into play his fate.

    I think that the people who have been mobbing the streets don't give a hoot about Brown and that they are just using this incident to vent their true evil nature. The family on the other hand should stop spreading the message of hate and should do as mature normal folks do. They should grieve in peace rather than try to ignite a nation with their lawyers.

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  102. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Ozymandias
    "Be careful about giving the police too much leeway. Today it is a ghetto thug, tomorrow it could be you that gets shot for not showing enough deference to Stormtrooper Fife."

    Oddly, Stormtrooper Fife does not patrol my neighborhood. Seems there was no need.

    I find it incredible that the media side with, and only show the side of the wailing bleeding hearts. Why is there no interview with the store owner that is in the video? Hiding the facts and blinding the public from the truth is an ongoing tactic that makes society dysfunctional. If the truth were told maybe bully Brown would be judged for what he was, a thug.

    I don’t think he deserved to die but I do believe he might have been on an adrenaline rush and trying to prove that he was the king of the hood, and it is this that brought into play his fate.

    I think that the people who have been mobbing the streets don’t give a hoot about Brown and that they are just using this incident to vent their true evil nature. The family on the other hand should stop spreading the message of hate and should do as mature normal folks do. They should grieve in peace rather than try to ignite a nation with their lawyers.

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  103. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Here's the problem.

    If blacks weren't so big and strong, cops would be less nervous and think more in terms of using physical force against physical force to restrain them.

    But since, man to man, blacks have a decisive edge against whites and non-blacks, whites/non-blacks have to rely on extra-force against blacks, and that is the gun. But that can prove to be lethal and make the black guy out to be the 'victim'.

    Same thing with man vs woman.

    Physically, most women have no chance against men. So, to protect themselves from men or to gain dominance over men(if female cops are involved), women will have to rely on extra-force, and that may be the gun and prove to be lethal.

    Blacks are tougher, stronger, and more aggressive, and that is why we have these troubles.

    Your a bully of an idiot . You don’t want to run into me in a dark alley, or you will see what a non black can do.

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  104. RL says:

    it doesnt matter if brown was bullying someone, hell it doesnt matter if brown was the anti christ. what MATTERS is than an unarmed man was gunned down by up to 12 bullets..

    its “concievable” the officer needed to use force.. and one or two shots would have been appropriate. BUT TWELVE?? and the last in the top of his head? (which means the kid was on the ground people)

    it does not MATTER if he was black or white – it does not matter if he was young or old and it does NOT matter if he was a bully. WHAT MATTERS was that He was unarmed. HE tried to surrender and HE was murdered by a hail of overkill. and the True perp walks free.

    and the cop walking free– THAT IS because of being protected by the police force and by his color, of that there is no doubt whatsoever – if a white man had shot a white kid the man would be in jail totally..

    so just bag it on the Blame the victim crap. its old and stupid. one man is dead because the other shot him a dozen times. THAT is NOT the victim at fault.

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