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From The Guardian:

Mexico: homicides up 16% in 2018, breaking own records for violence

Country saw 15,973 killings in the first half of the year, the highest since records began in 1997

Associated Press in Mexico City

Mon 23 Jul 2018

… Some areas, like the northern border state of Baja California, showed big jumps in murder rates, while others saw sharp drops.

Home to the border city of Tijuana, Baja California saw 1,463 homicides in the first half of the year, a 44% increase over the same period of 2017.

Authorities have attributed the spate of killings to battles between the Jalisco and Sinaloa drug cartels for control of trafficking routes in Baja California. The state is now Mexico’s second most violent, with a homicide rate for the first six months of the year equivalent to 71 murders per 100,000 inhabitants.

By comparison, Honduras and El Salvador, two of the deadliest countries in the world, have homicide rates of about 60 per 100,000.

I thought legalizing marijuana in California was supposed to reduce violence in Mexico?

The Baja California border is only a few hours drive from the 20 million people of Southern California, so it could be an immensely profitable tourist and second home area, especially because rich people along California’s coast connive like crazy to keep slightly less rich people from being able to afford beach-adjacent living.

It’s widely assumed in the US that the reason that tens of millions of Mexicans have moved to the United States rather than tens of millions of Americans moving to Mexico is because Mexico has such miserable real estate. But, in reality, Mexico has great real estate. Mexico is kind of the Boyle Heights of countries. Perhaps much of what happens (and doesn’t happen) in Mexico over the generations is like what has been happening in Boyle Heights in recent months: to keep the gentrifying gringos out, even at the cost of Mexico staying poor, stupid, and violent?

 
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  1. Whiskey says: • Website

    Or its about sex not real estate. Violence is sure fire lady tingle generator . For every dead body somebody got laid.

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  2. “Home to the border city of Tijuana, Baja California saw 1,463 homicides in the first half of the year, a 44% increase over the same period of 2017.”

    Clearly, they aren’t sending enough of their best up here.

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  3. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Poor, stupid and violent is inherent to mestizo genetics when you have that many of them.

    Many Mexicans- indios and mestizos, as well as non-Spanish whites and near-whites-will amongst themselves admit they would have much preferred the United States take all of Mexico rather than just the top half. Rule by Washington would be much better, just as Jim Crow was in many ways better for average blacks than what they have in Baltimore or Chicago now.

    But it would have been worse for Americans. James K. Polk knew that. We had a good century or so after that because the mestizos had no influence on governance.

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  4. Farenheit says:

    Wow, no record keeping until 1997. I guess they were making sure all the bugs were worked out of Windows ‘95.

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  5. Enochian says:

    since records began in 1997

    Ahh, Mexico, achieving 19th century government record keeping just in time for the 21st century.

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  6. A friend/colleague of mine recently married into a prosperous Mexican family, but for some inexplicable reason they affirmatively discourage him from visiting MX. I can’t imagine why ;) With decent security and up-armored vehicles, living in the hills above Mexico City is good. Think Johannesburg.

    When I visit LA, I tend to stay in gated communities. Good times ;)

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  7. istevefan says:

    I thought legalizing marijuana in California was supposed to reduce violence in Mexico?

    I’ve been hearing for years how America’s drug habit is responsible for Mexican violence. If so, how come we do not have this adverse effect on Canada?

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  8. You can purchase relatively affordable beach-adjacent property in Oxnard.

    Oxnard and its environs may be the last Slum By The Sea (as parts of Santa Monica were called as late as the ’80s).

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  9. My friend and his wife lived in Mexico for a few years. She is a descendant of German Catholic immigrants and he is a Proud citizen of Democratic republic of Congo and a US green card holder. They left Mexico because it was too loud and their mixed children were not accepted there. Hus wife was pregnant with their 4 th child and now they live in a gated community in Southern California. It is at least a lot more peaceful.
    LOVE IS NOT A COLOR AND CHARACTER IS NOT A SHADE OF SKIN.
    I HOPE THEIR FAMILY FINDS PEACE IN AMERICA

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  10. clyde says:

    I thought legalizing marijuana in California was supposed to reduce violence in Mexico?

    All legalization did was to create a more permissive atmosphere for selling undocumented weed from Mexico. So respectable people can go to these so called marijuana dispensaries (what a joke!) while everyone else can buy cheaper elsewhere. Anyway, Mexico sends us meth, heroin and other drugs that cartels can fight and kill over. The cartels try to cooperate by dividing up different sectors of the US border, and having each cartel only smuggle through their sector, they call a plaza. But there are always guys and gangs that get greedy and try to expand their sector, then you get cartels fighting cartels.

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  11. @Anonymous

    I find it offensive that you are defnding Jim Crow laws. Anti Miscegenation Laws and Jim Crow were a Disgrace. My black friends won’t have been able to marry White women and their beautiful mixed children won’t have been born had there been Jim Crow laws. I support Miscegenation and stronger Anti Racism Laws.
    Beauty is in the Mix.
    Don’t forget Halle Berry and other beautiful mixed people.

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  12. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    You’ve made this argument about Mexico before, but it doesn’t make sense to me. Mexico could simply ban Americans from buying real estate or moving there. I suspect Mexico is crime-ridden in spite of the wishes of Mexican elites, not because of them.

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  13. @Michael Krauthammer

    Tiny Duck has become Cabbage Mallet?

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  14. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Clearly, they aren’t sending enough of their best up here.

    Once everyone in Mexico has moved to the USA, the violent crime rate in Mexico will subside.

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  15. J.Ross says: • Website

    I love the idea that we should take all those highly determined, sometimes disciplined, and often highly skilled torture-using psychopathic murderers currently employed by the cartels, and render them unemployed all at once.

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  16. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It’s the Neocon Ghost of Charles Cabbage Mallet, come back to haunt us all.

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  17. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen

    The most horifying refutation is Fred Reed or Jesse Ventura: there are tons of Americans who think they own property in Mexico right now, and many saved their whole lives to get there.

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  18. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michael Krauthammer

    LOVE IS NOT A COLOR AND CHARACTER IS NOT A SHADE

    How very true, dear. Now let’s take a powder and have us a nice lie-down, shall we?

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  19. @Michael Krauthammer

    Here we go with another one of these guys.

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  20. @Whiskey

    You are mentally ill.

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  21. theMann says:

    If you want to take the measure of mestizojes Mexicanos watch how they treat animals. It isn’t just that they are brutal and vicious, they are brutal and vicious in completely pointless ways. Just watch them sometimes around kittens and puppies (you know, cute little kittens and puppies).

    The article doesn’t even try to touch on the ocean of unreported crimes in Mexico, a place where rape, especially of immigrants crossing the border, is commoner than the cold, and Police extortion is so normal that Mordida is a term that even Gringos recognize. At least the colossal drug trade violence gets reported….for now…..sort of.

    Then there is the general problem of Desaperacidos, generally thought of as State organized, but Mexico has the added layer of routine disappearance of teen and pre-teen girls. A lot of it is routine (at least for that part of the world) kidnapping for the sex trade, but in the land of death cults and Aztec butchery, the systematic disappearance of young female virgins is even more ominous. The fact of the matter is that the seamy underbelly of Mexico is openly Satanic (probably true of the USA anymore, but another topic) and we don’t need the importation of any part of it into our country.

    In any case, if you want a simpler, and somewhat safer measure, of mestizo violence, observe a Walmart or liquor store parking lot on a Saturday evening, and observe the differing behavior of borrachos mestizos and any other drunks.

    The fact is, the Government of Mexico and Central American countries understand perfectly well what their underclass consists of, and are deliberately exporting them, as much as possible, to the United States. I understand why they would try, they are made significantly better off as Nations. I just don’t understand why any American, anywhere, would allow it.

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  22. Baja California has slightly more people than the city of Chicago– and that’s assuming that everyone in Chicago is counted.

    Baja California Sur has about the population of Milwaukee.

    So how do their homicide rates compare to our cities’?

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  23. psmith says:

    Perhaps much of what happens (and doesn’t happen) in Mexico over the generations is like what has been happening in Boyle Heights in recent months: to keep the gentrifying gringos out, even at the cost of Mexico staying poor, stupid, and violent?

    Crazy how Mexicans like their country to be full of and built for people like them even though it’s not maximally efficent or prosperous, ain’t it?

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  24. @Dave Pinsen

    Americans are banned from buying land in Baja or any land within 100 miles from the coast.

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  25. This high level of homicide is very characteristically Latin American. Brazil recently also beat its record, with more than 60 thousands murders this year (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/09/brazil-sets-new-record-for-homicides-63880-deaths).

    It’s rather unfortunate, but also… interesting. The whole region seems to have more crime than most similar or poorer countries in Africa or in the Muslim world – where the people also don’t lack potential for violence. Why?

    (I blame the use of penal codes that would be fit for dealing with Frenchmen and Germans, not with Latin Americans)

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  26. I don’t understand; Mexico has Gun Control and so should be crime free. Can’t Carlos Slim become the Micheal Bloomberg of Mexican Gun Control and get the his New York Times to attack the proverbial “Gun Violence” plaguing MX? Like, midnight basketball and more money for community activists to lobby for more government money? Is that too much to ask from the Richest Man in Mexico?

    “After all these gun controls—and many others that are not even listed here—one would think Mexico would be far safer than the United States; that it is the utopia that gun controllers in the U.S. Senate promise when they push gun restriction after gun restriction. In truth, however, Mexico is far more dangerous than the U.S.”

    “To bring the ramifications of this violence closer to home, consider CBS News’ August 2016 observation that “Mexico has a homicide rate more than five times higher than in the U.S.””

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170516/new-study-shows-how-gun-control-has-not-slowed-violence-in-mexico

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  27. J.Ross says: • Website

    We don’t need no stinkin’ supremacy clause!

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  28. @Michael Krauthammer

    You’re as good as Tiny Duck on his best days. In fact, I’m not sure you aren’t TD operating under an alias.

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  29. clyde says:
    @Michael Krauthammer

    Tiny Duck does it better.

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  30. Das says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    That would probably be ruled as a form of protectionism and wouldn’t be allowed under NAFTA.

    And in the past, Mexican elites were genuinely worried about the US invading and grabbing land. They made a concerted effort to move population from the South to the sparsely populated North of Mexico to make it a less appealing annexation target.

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  31. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT — Photos! Can Canadians confirm?
    The Canadian Football League has a little box on the on-screen score strip on televised games with the motto “diversity is strength.” It’s so small you probably can’t see it, and it’s only in one language.

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/182743160

    Close-up.

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/182743160#p182743297

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  32. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Mexicans gave up on revolution. Devolution is all that’s left.

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  33. Dtbb says:

    How about we just seize the first say 20 miles south of our border and force everyone to relocate and declare it a neutral zone/no man’s land.

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  34. Tiny Duck says:

    Snark all you want but you cannot stop demographic change

    As Leonard Pitts has pointed out repeatedly diversity is the future and we must guard against evil white males who are terrified of a level playing field

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  35. Country saw 15,973 killings in the first half of the year, the highest since records began in 1997

    That the Mexicans couldn’t be bothered to keep track of something as rudimentary and important as how many murders were being committed in their country until 1997 tells you all you need to know. (Quaere: Was that when it finally dawned on them the number was useful to know, or when they finally mastered the requisite skills to keep the records…?)

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  36. @clyde

    Nobody – and I mean NOBODY – buys “cheaper” pot elsewhere anymore. Why? Because absurdly strong pot (and it’s all absurdly strong these days) is absurdly cheap. In fact, Mexican “dirt weed” is almost impossible to find anymore, regardless of whether you live in a state where it’s legal or not. Personally, I’d love to have access to less powerful weed as it’s too strong for me to smoke anymore…it’s not fun and it’s basically debilitating.

    The drugs coming up from Mexico these days are:
    1) synthetic opioids;
    2) meth; and,
    3) straight up old-school heroin

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  37. @Justice Duvall

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  38. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:

    Brazil is mostly African though. People speak of the future multicult U.S. as “another Brazil” but that future would require millions of African immigrants, not Mexicans and Guatemalans.

    Think of Brazil as Detroit with banana trees.

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  39. Excal says:
    @Justice Duvall

    Oxnard has had an astonishing level of gang violence. It’s puzzling as none of the towns nearby seemed to compare. My guess is that it’s due to the docks there.

    Still, it has fairly stiff competition from places to the south — like El Segundo, Long Beach, and San Pedro.

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  40. @istevefan

    I’ve been hearing for years how America’s drug habit is responsible for Mexican violence. If so, how come we do not have this adverse effect on Canada?

    No, America’s gun habit is responsible for Canadian violence. Or so they claim.

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  41. I thought legalizing marijuana in California was supposed to reduce violence in Mexico?

    Come on, Sailer. You and I both know that marijuana is not where the cartels get most of their money. And even if it were, marijuana has been de facto legal in CA for close to a decade.

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  43. @clyde

    From the news:

    The synthetic drug K2 suspected to have caused more than 100 overdoses in the New Haven area between Tuesday night and Thursday was contaminated with another synthetic drug called fubinaca, police said Friday, and New Haven police have identified two people arrested in connection with the case…..

    U.S. Sen. Richard Blumental met with New Haven officials Friday and said the new synthetic drugs are “killers” that are coming across borders from China and Mexico.

    But please, don’t talk to Senator Blumenthal about building a wall across our southern border to help keep these drugs out. That’s not open for discussion.

    BTW, this unprecedented eruption of overdoses happened on the New Haven Green, directly across the street from the Yale campus. It was described as looking like a scene from “World War Z” as scores of addicts fell unconscious, had convulsions, or began vomiting. Great PR for the university! The ultra-liberal politicians will do nothing about the open-air drug market on New Haven’s central plaza.

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  44. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Justice Duvall

    Petros Papadakis regularly calls San Pedro where he lives “where the ghetto meets the sea.”

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  45. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    More refinement TD has than this kimcheewhacker.

    I suspect it’s a hasbara attempt from a yeshiva for Down’s syndrome sufferers of the tribe. I mean, they have the occasional Down’s kid too don’t they? They have to have some kind of school or care facility for them, since, like Arthur Miller, their parents aren’t going to keep them inhouse, right?

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  46. @Harry Baldwin

    Sen. Richard Blumenthal said the new synthetic drugs are “killers” that are coming across borders from China and Mexico.

    Synthetic drugs, like firearms, exhibit complete agency and can do things people aren’t capable of doing.

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  47. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michael Krauthammer

    I’ll concede Halle Berry is an attractive woman in the abstract, though she doesn’t have any sexual appeal to me: I am simply not aroused by black or obviously semi-black women. And she is apparently reasonably intelligent and socially non-destructive as well.

    Most mulattoes are not very attractive though. After several intermix generations you get some astonishingly hideous specimens.

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  48. Whiskey says: • Website
    @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    A general breakdown of control. The PRI could not control the cartels, cartels could not control the bosses, the bosses could not control sub bosses, the sub bosses could not control splitting factions. You saw that in France after Charlemagne s sons made a botch of everything and castles went up everywhere and kings contolled maybe 100 square miles around Paris.

    Extreme political fragmentation practically begs for violence. The selling point of kings and emperors was peace and order with one tyrant vs. Violence and chaos with many.

    The A K 47 is also an enabler. An illiterate peasant can operate one.

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  49. This probably fits better in the comments to a Fred Reed post than iSteve, but it might be relevant here, too.

    The live versions are better, but the sound quality is terrible.

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  50. @Kibernetika

    living in the hills above Mexico City is good.

    Hills? The mountains reach straight up to 14 000′ right outside the city at El Águila or Cerro de San Miguel. Iztaccíhuatl and Popocatépetl in plain view of the city on clear days are nearly 18 000′.

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  51. Anon[828] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    The Titania McGrath Whitey confession (true or not, Poe’s Law and all) led me to discover an apparently famous troll named Godfrey Elfwick. Elfwick has been banned off and on by Twitter and was banned just the other day. I found him when somebody claimed to have forensically linked him to Titania, opening the possibility that Titania is Godfrey.

    Just now I stumbled across an account for Ashley Chhibber, whose photo looks an awfully lot like Godfrey:

    https://twitter.com/ashleychhibber

    The tone is very Godfrey-like, but less SJW trolling and more classics grad student mockery.

    Now you might say that Godfrey’s (and Chhibber’s) photos are probably just fake, but Godfrey had a lot of photos in his Twitter stream. On the other hand, Titania had one photo that was Photoshopped into other photos.

    Breitbart: Twitter Bans Legendary Troll Godfrey Elfwick for Ridiculing Leftists

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/07/20/twitter-bans-legendary-troll-godfrey-elfwick-for-ridiculing-leftists/

    https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Godfrey_Elfwick

    Godfrey got on BBC Radio at one point when a new Star Wars movie was released and went off on a ridiculous SJW critique of the Star Wars series as looked back on today by a woke person. His accent is some sort of strong regional UK accent that I can only barely understand.

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  52. Vinay says:

    “to keep the gentrifying gringos out, even at the cost of Mexico staying poor, stupid, and violent?”

    Which is kinda the dilemma faced by the white nationalist side, right? The easiest way to make your country/city/neighborhood unattractive to outsiders is to make it unattractive to your own people. Hungary can do an awesome job at keeping migrants out because it’s also doing an awesome job at driving its own youngsters out to Germany. BTW, this dynamic is fairly universal, it plays out in Indian states too.

    It’s hard to be Japan. Or Israel. Or, maybe Denmark.

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  53. Big Bill says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Since the revolution in 1917, Mexico has always banned gringos from buying real estate. You can pay a Mexican bank to buy land and hold it in trust for you as the beneficiary for fifty years, but you can’t own it yourself. Mexicans are smart.

    They laugh at you as they watch the Chinese buy your country right out from underneath your feet.

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  54. I thought legalizing marijuana in California was supposed to reduce violence in Mexico?

    Nobody ever thought legalizing in California would change anything at all in Mexico. California has always grown its own. What did you think Mendocino is for?

    Now maybe if we legalized in New York that might make a small improvement in Mexico. Or any stuffy northeastern or midwest state where even weed hates the dreary winters.

    But most of the Mexican drug money now is in meth; legalize that (or legalize aderall, the commercial equivalent) and we’re making progress

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  55. Anonymous[362] • Disclaimer says:

    Listen: I’m assembling an army of deplorables to take over the Baja and break it off from Mexstinko. Circa 2028 we will launch.

    This is not work for millennial pansies. I need Spartans.

    I envision a completely new civilization after the transition period. (Sorry, the world doesn’t need any more “Latino” countries.)

    All the lessons learned during the horrible collapse of the once great USA will be implemented in the founding of the new republic. We will model on Greece and Rome. All of the poisons of the modern west will be excised.

    It’s so doable.

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  56. @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    The whole region seems to have more crime than most similar or poorer countries in Africa or in the Muslim world – where the people also don’t lack potential for violence. Why?

    African statistics are not exactly reliable. Nobody really knows how much homicide there is in Africa.

    But Latins are capable of a much more organized level of crime than some less developed peoples so their high murder rate isn’t so surprising. And Maya people in particular have always been very bloody and murderous for such a civilized and literate nation.

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  57. Lot says:

    At its peak marijuana was about 20% of Mexican cartel profits, from an academic estimate I saw years ago.

    I haven’t heard about the Swiss policy of allowing addicts to get heroin from the government in a long time. Seems like there should be great evidence on the topic by now by comparing addiction rates and addict crime with surrounding Alpine areas.

    Mexico seems to be at the point where it needs a Duarte to just start mass shooting known cartel members. About 3000 people will meet a violent death in Baja at this rate in 2019. Might as well just have the government do it, focusing on the teardrop tattoo guys to start.

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  58. paging steven pinker, steven pinker to the reality phone.

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  59. Lot says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    A wall isn’t going to help much with the new synthetic opiates. 2 pounds of Carfentanil is about 100 million doses. It was made legally in China until last year.

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  61. Alfa158 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Looks like it; he inserts the same type of goofy mis-spellings and malapropisms as TD. ( I could say he is the Professor Irwin Corey of unz commenters, but I don’t know many readers are old enough to know what I’m talking about). I’ve been mentioning that he telegraphs the satirical nature of his posts by giving himself the self-derogatory handle of Tiny D(i)uck, so maybe he has created a new identity in order to be less obvious about it.

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  62. J. Dart says:

    My guess is that Mexican lawyers would oppose an outright New Zealand-style ban on foreigners buying real estate. That would force them to give up their very nice side business creating fideocomisos for foreigners who want to buy real estate near borders or the coast.

    And no one else in Mexican society can really organize the level of coordination that would be required to tell the lawyers to go screw themselves. (Classic Mancur Olson collective action problem.)

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  63. Lot says:
    @Justice Duvall

    The water is too cold up there and the schools are awful. Pesticides and other ag chems in the air and ground.

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  64. fred reed, ron unz to the reality phone.

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  65. sb says:

    ” highest since records began in 1997 ”

    Mexico seems rather a late starter in the grown up countries caper

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  66. @Alfa158

    I dunno. Corey was quite prolix. Ducky is more a sound-bite man like Norm Crosby.

    We’ve come a long way in the professor’s century of life. The machine reading this obituary is even weirder than Corey himself:

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  67. @sb

    Mexico seems rather a late starter in the grown up countries caper

    They’ve vaulted past has-been Colombia in the World Cup of Cocaine rankings.

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  68. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @(((Owen)))

    The reported homicide levels in sub-Saharan Africa are very high. As Steve has noted in the past street crime rates in Arab countries tend not to be that high as the clan structure moderates it.

    I doubt ability at organized crime leads to more homicides. If anything, it should lead to fewer (outside of turf wars). High crime in Latin America seems to correlate with high levels of African or Mayan ancestry.

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  69. Anonymous[779] • Disclaimer says:

    Simply put Mexico is Mexico and the USA is the USA.

    Of course, The Economist is doing its utmost level best to turn the USA into Mexico.

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  70. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro

    That sounds familiar.

    And it supports my suspicion that the crime in Mexico is in spite of elite wishes rather than because of it.

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  71. Anonymous[779] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    I can’t give you an answer.

    All I can suggest is the concept of ‘civility’ – the glue which binds orderly run states together – for whatever reason, never made great headway in most of Latin America.

    Possibly something to do with colonial/feudal states imposing themselves on peoples who never really knew what civic life means – and the advantages to be gained by ‘behaving’ one’s self.

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  72. @Dtbb

    I think a 200 yard wide minefield would be much easier to police.

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    @Lot

    If the cartels are as powerful as they seem, the Mexican government may need to coopt them through some sort of amnesty/reconciliation program allowing their leaders to join the legal power structure in return for renouncing crime. This seems obvious enough to raise the question of why it hasn’t happened yet. Is there an ethnic gulf between the cartels and the government?

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  74. El Dato says:

    OT, but looks like someone is working on payback for our Pussy Riot girls: Accused ‘Russian agent’ Butina moved to another jail, now in ‘borderline torture’ conditions

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  75. OT:
    How does the megaphone fail to announce that a Goldsteined Trumpster is an iSteve veteran?
    Curiouser and curiouser.
    (Not tired of winning…)

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  76. @J.Ross

    That’s why they call him Jerry “Brown.”

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  77. @Whiskey

    I could imagine the torture-murders often performed by the drug cartels are rather a turn-off.

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  78. Anonymous[259] • Disclaimer says:

    Not so much the ‘Boyle Heights’ of countries, more like ‘the hard-boiled depths’ of a failed state.

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  79. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vinay

    It’s a substantial argument. However trashing ones own country is not the only way of protecting it. White Western nations were relatively safe from third-world invasions for centuries–millennia even. We’ve been ruined in relatively short order by people we trusted would join us, but who instead have worked tirelessly to destroy us. Meanwhile Hungary is handicapped by an impenetrable language, else I’d move there myself.

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  80. El Dato says:
    @Erik Sieven

    That’s what you say….

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  81. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    High crime in Latin America seems to correlate with high levels of African or Mayan ancestry.

    Interesting. Surely Aztec should be added to the list, though I know comparatively little about Inca culture.

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  82. Anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey

    For every dead body somebody got laid.

    You’re an effin idiot.

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  83. eah says:
    @eah

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  84. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Ohs Tinys…..

    Youn bees rite…..!! You no’s how much Lendsperg likes U face down on a level playing field

    Lendsperg J Pittsburgh Esq.

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    @Whiskey

    I thought Lagos was where the ghetto met the sea?

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  86. Mr. Anon says:
    @Whiskey

    For every dead body somebody got laid.

    In a prison shower-room, maybe.

    You are a diseased little monkey, fake-scots-irish boy.

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  87. Mr. Anon says:
    @Roderick Spode

    Come on, Sailer. You and I both know that marijuana is not where the cartels get most of their money. And even if it were, marijuana has been de facto legal in CA for close to a decade.

    America is more than just California.

    Somebody is planting the weed:

    https://fox6now.com/2012/05/17/cartels-invade-the-northwoods/

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  88. Mr. Anon says:
    @El Dato

    OT, but looks like someone is working on payback for our Pussy Riot girls: Accused ‘Russian agent’ Butina moved to another jail, now in ‘borderline torture’ conditions

    From that article:

    “She will now be kept in “administrative segregation,” which means locked up in solitary confinement – conditions bordering on torture, the embassy says.”

    In most jails, certainly an american jail – being in solitary sounds better than being in the general population. Still, I agree that her persecution is arbitrary and probably unwarranted. There are a lot of people – more influential, and more damaging to the republic – who are unregistered foreign agents.

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  89. moshe says:
    @Whiskey

    “Whiskey/Testing99/evilneocon” is the worst.

    I don’t think that jocks rule or that nerds drool but ever since the internet gave automaton autists the power to express themselves, a thing that God had wisely denied them in the flesh, I have supported a full ban on literacy for them along with the one I support for anyone with an IQ under 110.

    Let’s not forget Whiskey’s cocky certitude that Obama would lose to Romney and then refuse to leave the Whitehouse. He also predicted a speedboat takeover of Europe via the straits of Gibraltar. Etc.

    Now “people” like him have a platform on which to confidently express their robotic retarded views and they have even gotten good at mimicking human expression and arguments so as to seek like actual human beings of the sword you might actually see and interlocute with outdoors.

    They are not. They are AI and they should only be allowed to express any words are action under human supervision.

    Jocks don’t rule and nerds don’t drool but autists need to be kept off the internet.

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  90. @J.Ross

    Sorry, Canadians don’t watch the CFL. Perhaps Buffalo Joe does?

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  91. Anonymous[177] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Revilo Oliver had some interesting comments on the Inca.Overall he called them ‘a stupid and bovine race’, but that their society had achieved a perfect level of stable contentment. The rulers were, if I remember correctly, all bred of brothers and sisters, a line in which all defects were bred out.

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  92. Let’s not forget Whiskey’s cocky certitude that Obama would lose to Romney and then refuse to leave the Whitehouse. He also predicted a speedboat takeover of Europe via the straits of Gibraltar. Etc.

    I remember this too.

    There should be a Crossfire-type show in which Whiskey, Priss Factor, Svigor, and Truth debate one another. I’d pay good money to watch that.

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  93. @Anonymous

    White Western nations were relatively safe from third-world invasions for centuries–millennia even.

    It was difficult to travel to different parts of the world back then. The third world also didn’t have modern technologies (tvs, phones, etc), so they may not have even been aware of the wealth of the West. Much of the world was also underpopulated too.

    We’ve been ruined in relatively short order by people we trusted would join us, but who instead have worked tirelessly to destroy us

    America was founded as an Anglo-Protestant country, but allowed in huge numbers of Catholics, Orthodox, and Jews during the Ellis Island era. This becomes especially surprising when you remember the various extremely bloody Protestant-Catholic wars and struggles that went on back in the old country.

    Even back then, oligarchs couldn’t get enough foreign workers and consumers.

    So some thing really haven’t changed.

    What has changed is that there really isn’t a substantial number of Westerners who want to migrate anymore, mostly because their standard of living is high back home and the population growth rate is roughly zero. On the other hand, there are a massive number of non-Westerners who’d love to migrate, mostly due to extreme impoverishment and rapidly exploding populations. That’s why we get Mexicans, but not Italians these days.

    It’s hard to keep foreigners out because business interests generally want them in. The business interests literally own the media and politicians.

    If you really want to keep foreigners out, you need a fanatically ethnocentric population and equally ethnocentric leaders. This type of social/political order exists in Israel. Despite that, Israel still got lots of illegal Africans who showed up to work cheaply, until the govt decided to clamp down.

    It helps to have powerful labor unions too. Labor used to play a role in deterring immigration in America. This changed in the late 70s, as Big Labor went into serious decline and the oligarchs began fighting back. It was roughly around this time when migration began accelerating.

    Modern day Americans aren’t especially ethnocentric and they don’t join unions much these days, so it’s hard to organize a mass-scale anti-immigration movement. In addition to that, America’s leaders are mostly deracinated oligarchs or ethnocentric Jews, so they have no desire to promote immigration restrictionism. The oligarchs regard anti-immigration proposals as bad for business, while Jews see rectrictionism as uncouth gentile racism.

    Immigration restrictionism happened back in the early 1900s because Americans were much more socially interconnected and tribalistic in that era. They were also much more serious-minded. In contrast, modern day Americans are very socially atomized and individualistic. They also waste most of their spare mental energy on frivolity (tv, movies, sports, social media, celebrity gossip). So it’s going to be hard to promote any type of group-level identity or organization among them, except maybe if it’s something related to celebrating some local sportsball team’s victory.

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  94. El Dato says:
    @eah

    I didn’t know Jack was black?

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  95. @Dave Pinsen

    I wonder how the crime rate of the Dominican Republic – the most African of the Latin American countries – compares to that of Mexico or Honduras.

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  96. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    Possibly something to do with colonial/feudal states imposing themselves on peoples who never really knew what civic life means – and the advantages to be gained by ‘behaving’ one’s self.

    Let’s not buy into the leftist meme that peoples are kind and kumbaya-ish until they get a whiff of European influence.

    Such influence brings the crime rate down, as discussed by Pinker in The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined.

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  97. moshe says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In a glass enclosure because you just know within about 5 minutes it’s going to devolve into throwing poo at each other.

    Igor sounds tough so he’s probably fat, whiskey is an autist so there’s about a 50/50 chance he works out like a lot of those do. Priss I don’t know. Truth will have that quicktwitch thing going for him. I would toss Lagertha in for the fun of watching her roll around trying to get some male attention (from Truth and settling for Whiskey). Tiny Duck would be a fun narrator for the event provided he’s sober.

    I would also toss the lesser Jews in (eg Tyron and InternationalJew and Pinsen) to watch them beg Igor and Urethra to accept them as goodjuden.

    As for me, I’ll watch the first episode and then just the highlights. I reckon most of it will just be retarded and quite repetitive.

    Whiskey’s old job : https://youtu.be/D04wb7P_v-4

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  98. bomag says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Trenchant analysis.

    …America’s leaders are mostly deracinated oligarchs or ethnocentric Jews, so they have no desire to promote immigration restrictionism. The oligarchs regard anti-immigration proposals as bad for business, while Jews see rectrictionism as uncouth gentile racism.

    But as leaders, I’d think they could see the writing on the wall. Some areas around me went from middle class to ghetto, with businesses sold cheap or abandoned to local gov’t. How is this good for business? “Gentile racism” is often a rational response to what goes on; making explicit what ethnocentric Jews practice implicitly.

    Seems to be leadership by addict: the frisson of the pro-immigration “high” blocks the consideration of ultimate long term damage.

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  99. @Whiskey

    I should note here that rapper Young Thug was arrested at a party in his honor for having an AK47 in his car.
    Come on Young Thug! Don’t be just another black male locked up away from his family!

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  100. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s so doable.

    If one could keep up the cell towers and GPS; build and maintain drones and smart munitions.

    But it’s not what you can build, it’s what you can maintain. Modern urban living in the West and most other areas has always been a demographic shredder. I don’t see that being overcome with a reset.

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  101. @Whiskey

    You would think that getting laid is an almost unattainable goal, so that to achieve it having to kill someone would be a small price to pay.

    Is that Whiskey’s perception?

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  102. @Dave Pinsen

    Why would the Mexican elite want to keep their country violent? They likely don’t. Not many people like living where bodies are found hanging from overpasses and such.

    But it may be that the presence of said elite is one of the causes of such violence, even if it’s ”against their wishes”. The way they want their country to be — their idea of a good life — is, as I see it, with them at the top, living in mansions or large apartments with servants. It seems to me that they do not dig the lifestyle of the reportedly vanishing American middle class. The Mexican elite may want to live larger than that. Damn peons, those Americans… they don’t even have maids!

    Sure, they probably dislike having to go around with private security, but do they want to have to do all the house chores by themselves? Or would they prefer some five foot tall swarthy woman from the slums to do it for them? The latter is nicer, unless you like working. But if everyone wants a maid, that tends to create a divided, unequal society, and that may (there’s some controversy regarding that, I know) make it more prone to the violence seen in Mexico.

    (White americans and their European ancestors may be sorta unique in that regard. A disproportionate share of them apparently likes working, and doesn’t like others doing stuff for them. I personally prefer the third-world elite mentality, in that I’d rather have slaves doing everything for me… which makes me part of ”’the problem”’… but I digress)

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  103. Neuday says:
    @Vinay

    We shouldn’t, and before 1965 didn’t, need to “make our country unattractive to outsiders”; we simply didn’t let them in, and we deported those here illegally.

    It’s not hard at all. Simply eliminate employment visas, and if you overstay your tourist or education visa you’re tracked down and deported, and no visas to pregnant women.

    Because we allowed our nation to be overrun, now we’re left with “Build a wall, deport them all”. It’s harder and messier, but many are looking forward to it.

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  104. unit472 says:
    @Michael Krauthammer

    Kofi Anan died in Switzerland the other day. The former UN Secretary General was what passes for African aristocracy being descended from a line of tribal chiefs in Ghana. He married a Swedish woman and like your Congo friend, once out of Africa never went back.

    That’s kind of the problem in Africa. Those who make it out of Africa never return and whatever money, stolen or earned, they amass ends up in the hands of their white wives.

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  105. @Anonymous

    Aztec are far and away #1 when it comes to societies based on human sacrifice with the Maya in second place.

    The Aztec sacrificial calendar provides an idea just how bloody and evil that civilization was:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture#Calendar_of_Sacrifice

    The multiple sacrifice of children throughout the year says it all.

    Cortes and his men were the Little Sisters of the Poor in comparison to the Aztec culture based on ritual tortue and death.

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  106. @Whiskey

    Wow, such a huge return of hate for a trivial investment of Heartiste insights.  Excellent troll!

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  107. Anonymous[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Erik Sieven

    That El chapo dude was banging a Mexican actress, so maybe not.

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  108. L Woods says:
    @Erik Sieven

    You’d imagine wrong, sad to say

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  109. Stick says:

    No stats on the number of lynchings in Mexico? It is not unusual to find a Mexican hanging from a bridge or overpass in Baja. There must be a lot of Klansmen down there.

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  110. L Woods says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yeah, definitely one of steve’s sillier pet theories

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  111. @Justice Duvall

    Speaking of real estate investment opportunity..

    You can make as much as 1000% profit by buying Detroit homes in bulk. According to the Free Press, apparently a number of Californians are just wild about it.

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2018/08/17/detroit-home-values-real-estate/921453002/

    For some reason however, none of the investors choose to live in Detroit. Mystifying to say the least.

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  112. @istevefan

    ‘If so, how come we do not have this adverse effect on Canada?’

    Maybe we do have an adverse effect on Canada. Who knows what snowy heights of moral purity it might reach if it weren’t for our corrupting influence?

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  113. @oddsbodkins

    Too easy to tunnel under.

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  114. @moshe

    Autists CREATED the Internet.  By right, you should be the one having to pass their tests to get on it.

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  115. @Tiny Duck

    ‘…diversity is the future…’

    You know, the sheer idiocy of that will get a rise out of me every time.

    There has never been a successful ‘diverse’ society — or to be more precise, the examples I can think of — pre-colonial India and the Ottoman Empire — relied on devices we wouldn’t want to have to resort to.

    A caste system? Different laws and different courts for different groups? A legally defined and enforced ethnic hierarchy? Absolute social segregation — particularly of women?

    Are these things we’re up for? Because historically, that’s been what’s been required to make ‘diversity’ work.

    ‘Diversity’ is bad, and socially corrosive — and more ‘diversity’ will be worse. It needs to be fought against, and we can start by completely halting any additional immigration, from anywhere, of any kind.

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  116. Well, there is the small problem of the Mexican Constitution which forbids us gringos from owning land in Mexico within 30 miles of the coast or 60 miles of the border..

    So I can rent (via fideicomiso) a spectacular seaside villa with 15’ concrete walled perimeter and broken glass embedded in the top of it, surrounded by kidnappers and beheaders, and enjoy ultra low cost domestic servants I have to house inside my compound or risk losing them regularly to alcoholic benders. My “investment” will be every bit as stable and secure as the Peso or Mexico’s political regime, but with a good home chemistry lab I can at least produce income by making meth or fentanyl.

    Or, I could buy a hundred homes in Detroit for $15,000 at the annual tax auction next month. SoCal is to Baja as Ontario is to Detroit, so I’d have to compete with all those wise Canadian investors, but the opportunities are almost too good to resist.

    It’s a real head scratcher isn’t it?

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  117. @Justice Duvall

    From the end of south O.C. to the beginning of San Diego, one can find somewhat affordable beach living: Carlsbad, Oceanside, and such. A lot of young drunk Marines may be a downside on weekends.

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  118. @JohnnyWalker123

    ‘It was difficult to travel to different parts of the world back then. The third world also didn’t have modern technologies (tvs, phones, etc), so they may not have even been aware of the wealth of the West. Much of the world was also underpopulated too…’

    And the West wasn’t necessarily that attractive. Serfdom wasn’t outlawed in most places until about the end of the eighteenth century. Famine and plague were both still quite common. There was no electricity, etc. Malaria stalked southern Italy. It wasn’t like Morocco wasn’t just as good a place to be.

    When Abraham Lincoln’s family moved to Indiana, they spent the first winter in a kind of open-sided lean-to with a fire burning perpetually in the open end. Think about living that way for months on end.

    …less enticing to would-be immigrants than current conditions. Then too, aside from the greater awareness and ease of travel you mention, the wealth differential has widened immensely.

    I live in Oregon. Tell me that if I move to British Columbia, my effective wealth will increase by 20%, I’ll think about it — but stay where I am. Tell me that it will increase by 200%, I’ll start to make plans.

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  119. @clyde

    Mexico sends us meth, heroin and other drugs

    Speaking of meth, I never saw this reported in any American news media. Are they worried we will begin calling it “Methico”?

    http://www.france24.com/en/20180818-mexico-seizes-record-50-tons-meth

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  120. @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    The whole region seems to have more crime than most similar or poorer countries in Africa or in the Muslim world – where the people also don’t lack potential for violence.

    For all that Islam seems incompatible with a modern post-industrialist society focusing on innovation and economic growth, it is a very useful ideology for organizing a pre-industrialized or even early industrial society. That is one reason it spread so successfully. Islam organizes, creates hierarchies and discipline and instills a moral paradigm.

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  121. @Michael Krauthammer

    Beauty is in the Mix.

    You are so right, you must be related to the late and equally brilliant Charles Krauthammer. Here, for example, is an absolutely gorgeous mixed race canine:

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  122. Mike1 says:
    @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro

    This is true in theory but not at all in real life. You can buy anywhere with a Mexican trust or corporation and have secure title.

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  123. @Big Bill

    Don’t know much American Economic History, do we?

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  124. Whiskey says: • Website
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Just noticing. Most of these killers get paid peanuts Ghettocide author Jill Leovy noted most gang killers had more kids than the average Black dude who worked every day.

    Cartel killers aren’t getting rich. Theyre not doing it for money.

    There are none so stupid as those who sent sex as the primary motivation of humans. But I’m sure you reject Darwin as well.

    That Florida school shooter now has tons of letters fro m got chicks offering sex and marriage . Heck Richard Ramirez the Nightstalker is married to his mensa lawyer.

    For those outside the autism spectrum the motivation of sex is easy to se e.

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  125. IBC says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Dave, the state of Yucatán is known for having a very large Maya population and yet it also typically has the lowest or one of the lowest murder rates in all of Mexico. In fact, last year it had a murder rate of only 2.2 per 100,000 people which is about half that of reasonably-safe US states like New Jersey (4.2) and only a fraction of the most dangerous US states like Louisiana (11.8).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexican_states_by_homicides#Time_series

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate#Homicide_rate_by_state

    It’s ironic that the official game plan for fighting the Mexican narcos was named after the capital city of Mexico’s most peaceful state. But without even looking at the statistics, you can understand why the politicians and their international backers didn’t choose to meet in Sinaloa (though there were probably some covert meetings if there’s any truth to the conspiracy theories).

    Parts of Mexico are basically in a state of civil war. The murder statistics should be interpreted in that light.

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  126. @Lot

    A wall isn’t going to help much with the new synthetic opiates. 2 pounds of Carfentanil is about 100 million doses. It was made legally in China until last year.

    And one would be a fool to think the ChiCom government is cracking down on “illegal” carfentanil manufacturing for export to the US. Additionally, the “research chemical” business is thriving with analogues like U-47700, AH-7921, etc. These substances are concentrated and toxic enough to be used for chemical warfare. There have been fentanyl busts in the NYC region with enough material to kill the entire population.

    With the number of shipping containers arriving daily from China and the density of these substances, there’s as much chance of stopping the inflow as there is of John McCain joining the Arizona Minutemen.

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  127. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Erik Sieven

    Not really. Cortez and Bernal Diaz wrote that such torture murders often of young children were public entertainment. Enjoyed by all. Mesoamerica from Aztecs, Tarrascans to Maya were fascinated by beheading people and watching the blood spurt out .

    Pedro de Alvarez was enraged by such a display order ing the slaughter of the spectators in Teochticlan during such an event precuptating open war.

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  128. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Anon

    That’s thinking like a White autistic sperg. Rest assured most of the world does not act this way.

    Exhibit A ISIS.

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  129. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Are honor killings not considered murder in Islamia included in their crime stats at all? Probably not.

    Before sex selection abortion became cheap, female infanticide was probably the majority of killings in India.

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  130. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    Then why oh why are Muslim girls traveling to Syria to marry Isis killers! Or as Steven Linked noted killing lots of killers made Europe more peaceful by removing those genes. Black ghetto killers get paid nothing but get laid mucho.

    Scott and Drew Peterson murdered their wives and have marriage proposals in prison.

    Hunter gatherer societies are inherently violent with a 4% annual murder rate as it is the quickest way to sex and reproduction.

    Humans are violent primates . Not God st uff.

    Yes you don’t like know that. Not all knowledge is pretty and rainbow s.

    Whites are different. We are the result of a thousand year eugenics program to reduce male violence but others outside NE Asia are different.B

    That’s why a ten year old girl shot in the ghetto reflects the gangsta saying that to be a man you must take a life and make a life.

    That’s reality outside sperg.

    White women have this at much lower levels but they have it. Witness Amanda Palmers love poem to Tsarnaev.

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  131. Whiskey says: • Website
    @moshe

    I’m not w rong on the Africa part. Except the Spanish are actually towing them there

    North Africans conquer rd Spain before . They could do it again .

    Same reason lack of enough young White men to fught.

    I think the worst of Obama. So what?

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  132. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Cartel leaders are substantially whiter than the mexican median. Many were former SEAL type special op guys. That one who grew up middle class in Texas would pass as a northern euro.

    In a monarchy a rebel can be made into a baron to appease him. Mexico is a democracy and the cartels are hated, outside of perhaps low IQ proles who like narcocorridos and probably vote at the same rate as fans of 50 Cent do in the USA.

    Amnesty requires breaking their backs first.

    I don’t like the idea of Mexico abandoning its long commitments to liberalism and rights. But becoming a narco failed state is worse.

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  133. Lot says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Good points and memes.

    We definitely should start pushing oligarch as a term to describe Bezos, Zuck etc. “Sportsball” is good too.

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  134. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin

    There is a difference between Trugglypuff and Salna Hayek. That is doubly so in the ghetto and barrio where female obesity approaches 89%.

    Game theory suggest violent dominance as a shortcut to the Salmas.

    Geez am I the only one here who got into fights through childhood and college? Is that so hard to understand?

    Dominant = sex.

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  135. eah says:
    @eah

    (To continue OT)

    This isn’t creepy at all

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  136. @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Maybe he is. But he is also right.

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  137. @Whiskey

    You imagine that the guys pulling triggers for the narcos are attracting Salma Hayek types? Maybe the guy at the top, who lives in a mansion, but not his minions. They more likely get some skanky whore who’ll do anyone, or women they snatch off the street, rape and then kill.

    Also, these killers that get fan letters from crazed women–what of it? The reason these female nuts like writing to a guy serving life is that they know they’ll never actually have to be in his physical presence. It’s a weird fantasy for them. The bizarre Amanda Palmers wrote a love poem to Tsarnaev–so what? Is she going to have sex with him in jail?

    From an article in the Telegraph (UK):

    Hybristophilia is sexual arousal through being with a partner who has committed a crime. The thrill of being with somebody so infamous, not to mention the excitement of the media spotlight, may be like a drug for some women. However, for the woman attracted to the imprisoned killer, the very features she likes and which make him dangerous are neutralised by incarceration.

    In addition she can have her perfect beau without needing to indulge him, whether this is carrying out domestic chores or fulfilling his depraved sexual desires. She is free to fantasise about an extreme physical relationship (as many of Richard Ramirez’s ‘fans’ did) while remaining safe. Another benefit is that her alpha male, who would usually attract the attentions of other women, is safely locked away from their charms.

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  138. Anon[356] • Disclaimer says:

    You can blame people like my liberal mother. She voted to legalize pot in Colorado because she said it would make Mexican cartels vanish and Mexican violence stop. Of course it didn’t. Now Colorado has a homeless problem with potheads all over the country moving there, and housing prices have jacked up so fast that it’s become a big problem for the natives. My sister moved to Colorado for work, but even though she has a job she has to live with a relative because she can’t afford housing in any way, shape, or form. Colorado pays lower salaries than the coasts do, and the salaries did NOT go up when the rents and housing prices skyrocketed after Colorado legalized pot.

    What happened is that the state ended up with a lot of pothead coasties selling their million dollar houses and buying up Colorado property, which was half to one-third the cost of similar houses on the coasts. These coasties were able to bank the excess profit from the sale of their coastal house, and they were able to put a new roof over their head cheaply, add enough excess cash to retirement funds to be able to retire early, and end up smoking legal weed to boot.

    I have told my mother bluntly that if it weren’t for the liberal vote on pot, my sister would have been able to get housing, but mother rejects this entirely. She refuses to understand the basic laws of supply and demand of grasp the economic connections. She doesn’t WANT to understand it because it goes against her long-held liberal ideology.

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  139. Anon[356] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey

    Violence is only a turn-on for women who score high on the sociopathic personality spectrum themselves. Sociopathic women have a dead fear nerve, and they simply aren’t frightened by sociopathic men. They think these men look like they’ll provide a lot of excitement and fun, because these women think danger is exciting and fun.

    The narcissism of sociopathic women makes them assume they’ll never become victims of these sociopathic men if they meet up with them. Narcissists are blind to reality, and they think that OF COURSE nothing will happen to them. That’s why sociopaths never learn when they actually do get into trouble, and why they’re not reformable.

    Not all women are alike. Don’t assume that sociopathic women are ‘all women.’

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  140. L Woods says:
    @Anon

    Lulz. If there’s any truth in this world, it’s AWALT.

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  141. moshe says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Your understanding of the world is, unsurprisingly, not very interesting.

    You autists, “Mr. Rational”, are the natural slave caste of the civilized peoples.

    Like I said – AI.

    You people have no intuitive understanding of human matters. You are less than us.

    Nature, in her wisdom, made it impossible for you to have any real influence by denying you the possibility of looking your fellow human in the eye unless as a practiced and inhuman lock-held stare.

    You think that you are the superhero “Mr. Rational” but in reality, other than being a dweeb, you are Mr. Incredibly Irrational.

    Not that the average human being is any more logical than you are but they tend to be less intelligent and also less devious. Their irrationality and other limits show on their skin. They wear it. They aren’t here to learn and change.

    Your type is different.

    You have no capacity for rationality without human supervision and left to your own devices end up as fundamentalist college campus christians or alex jones suporters. You make yudkowski’in assertions of the nuttiest sort…

    Eh, I remember now why I stopped writing online. Too much effort for too little reward. I take back everything I said. You can have the internet.

    How the hell did I let myself get sucked in to a conversation here anyway? I’m here to hit and run, not debate.

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  142. @Mr. Anon

    MJ has been legal in CA since 1996.

    https://saclaw.org/articles/marijuana-laws-in-california-edl/

    Users aren’t the focus of the legal struggle, it’s the growing and distribution of the stuff. That’s where the money is and where the conflict comes in. The CA and US authorities could never, or would never, control illegal growing in the past and if they think they can control and tax the illegal growers now, then we’re dreaming.

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  143. @Whiskey

    The Mayans were also into the, “Arrow Sacrifice,” and, “Heart Removal.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Maya_culture#Methods

    Mel Gibson depicted the latter method of sacrifice fairly accurately in the excellent Apocalypto.

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  144. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Just as Jim Crow was in many ways better for average blacks

    Could you elaborate on that argument?

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  145. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    street crime rates in Arab countries tend not to be that high as the clan structure moderates it.

    Islam moderates it.

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  146. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Labor used to play a role in deterring immigration in America. This changed in the late 70s, as Big Labor went into serious decline and the oligarchs began fighting back.

    What caused this to change?

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  147. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag

    Modern urban living in the West and most other areas has always been a demographic shredder.

    What do you mean?

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  148. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @IBC

    Sorry, I meant Aztec. The folks who were big on human sacrifices.

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  149. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I should have said Aztec, though The Wild Geese Howard puts Mayans in second place.

    I’m just thinking that what’s now Mexico City and its environs was run by brutal people when the conquistadors got there.

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  150. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Are Islamic parts of Sub-Saharan African less violent than Christian parts?

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  151. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    There has never been a successful ‘diverse’ society — or to be more precise, the examples I can think of — pre-colonial India and the Ottoman Empire — relied on devices we wouldn’t want to have to resort to.

    What about the Roman Empire?

    A caste system? Different laws and different courts for different groups? A legally defined and enforced ethnic hierarchy? Absolute social segregation — particularly of women?

    What does the social segregation of women have to do with it?

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  152. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    When it comes to homicide rates, it’s a bit lower: Honduras is #2 globally, Mexico is #20, and the Dominican Republic is #27.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_region

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  153. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Lot

    Yeah, it would help to win first. But Mexico hasn’t seemed to get a handle on this ever. Maybe a wall on the U.S. border would help them, by starving the cartels of business?

    True, Mexico couldn’t make cartel bigwigs barons, but there are other ways of getting them into the legal fold. Maybe letting them buy Pemex stations or something like that?

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  154. pyrrhus says:
    @Anonymous

    I recall long ago that a guy I knew professionally often went to Mexico on vacation…He told me that Mexico was the greatest place in the world, but had a major problem with the inhabitants.

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  155. @Enochian

    Why did they ever start recording them? And are they even reliable? Maybe the figure of 106.6 homicides per 100k is just Acapulco lowballing it to stay competitive as an adventure vacation spot.

    Crime statistics, like all social metrics, are racist. It wouldn’t be surprising if ceasing all recording of crime statistics made it onto some future Democratic platform. The Obama Administration had deliberately adulterated its crime data. If no one remembers it, it didn’t happen.

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  156. @moshe

    You autists, “Mr. Rational”, are the natural slave caste of the civilized peoples.

    In other words, cattle?  aka “goyim”?

    And you wonder why everyone hates you.  Introspection is not your strong suit.

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  157. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Excal

    It’s the welfare gangster sons and grandsons of the farm workers who live in Oxnard.

    It’s 2 towns, on the beach and about 1/2 mile east of the highway is expensive and White. The rest is a Hispanic ghetto.

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    @eah

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  159. jJay says:
    @Justice Duvall

    Port Hueneme has the least expensive beach-adjacent home property in SoCal, AFIK. It’s all condos though. You can get an ocean view condo there for < 500k.

    Oxnard does not have many condos near the beach. I bought one a few years ago, but it's a street away from the beach. The beach-front homes there are in the 1.5M and up range.

    Neither Port Hueneme nor Oxnard are white (or asian) family-friendly though, as Lot noted. PH is very mexican. You will have to send your kids to a dominantly mexican elementary school there. The neighborhood elementary schools in Oxnard are better in that regard, but after elementary school they will go to a mexican dominated middle school and high school.

    Near the beach or not, much of the value in SoCal real estate correlates with how many mexican kids are in the local public schools. There's not much social friction between whites and mexicans in CA until it's time to send your kids to a public school.

    Parents look at school ratings on aggregate when choosing a place to live, not the ethnic breakdown. It could be that whites and asians do just fine in majority mexican schools, but they don't like the optics of having their kids getting segregated (on average!) into the advanced classes. And not segregating kids based on their academic ability is a PC pitfall that even unnerves liberal whites.

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  160. Pepe says:

    I thought legalizing marijuana in California was supposed to reduce violence in Mexico?

    Legalization in the US is one of the factors driving the increase in violence in Mexico. Another factor is cartel fragmentation caused by the “kingpin strategy,” leading to smaller groups with less discipline and more devoted to non drug trafficking activities.

    The loss of income from pot legalization is causing Mexican cartels to move into other areas of criminal activities that more directly affect the civilian population. Some of these are: local retail drug sales, gas pipeline theft, extortion, kidnapping, train robberies, truck freight theft, illegal logging, etc. (Of course it’s also causing the cartels to step up meth production.)

    This is not only causing an increase in murder, the crime is now affecting innocent civilians more. Mexico might look back on the days when criminal groups only trafficked drugs to the US as the Golden Days: when the bad guys just trafficked drugs to the US and battled among themselves, but left the rest of Mexico alone

    The central state of Guanajuato was long thought of as a peaceful cartel free area. But now, pipeline theft associated with the refinery in Salamanca has placed Guanajuato near the top of the list for murder per capita. Likewise, local retail sales and extortion in Baja Sur, Tijuana, Mexico City and the Riviera Maya are causing a large increase in murder in those areas.

    I just read today that 2017 was Costa Rica’s most murderous year on record. The battle over the local retail drug trade there is cited as one of the causes.

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  161. Pepe says:

    Costa Rican President asks for solidarity with Nicaraguans after protests:

    San José, Costa Rica: President Carlos Alvarado today asked for “reason and prudence” from Costa Ricans after hate messages were directed at Nicaraguan immigrants in a violent demonstration Saturday.

    “Against the calls for hate and violence – reason, prudence, intelligence and solidarity must prevail. For this we need each and every one of you,” said the President in a televised address.

    He called for “calm and peace” and “acting with prudence, without falling for provocations and hate speech.”

    The address followed demonstrations the day before in the capital San José, which ended in violence and 44 arrested, with Molotov cocktails, knives and machetes confiscated.

    “We’re protesting because the Migration Police are letting too many Nicaraguans enter Costa Rica and we really can’t take it anymore because it’s an invasion,” said Luis Mauricio Vargas.

    With shouts of “Get out Nicas!” and with Costa Rican flags and t-shirts, they protested against what they called the “massive” entry of Nicaraguans.

    Others added that the foreigners had taken over La Merced Park, located in the center of San José, “as if they owned it. The law is protecting them too much, that’s why we’re protesting. We don’t want any more Nicaraguans.”

    http://www.laprensa.hn/mundo/1208640-410/alvarado-costa-rica-solidaridad-nicaraguenses-racismo

    http://www.laprensa.hn/fotogalerias/mundo/1208371-411/costarricenses-protestan-contra-nicaraguenses-huyen-crisis?i=1

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  162. Pepe says:

    Venezuelans Fleeing Home Hit Roadblocks Abroad -
    Countries hosting thousands of Venezuelans escaping economic disaster back home are enacting stricter rules to stem the flow

    BOGOTÁ, Colombia—Hundreds of Venezuelans, some of whom walked 900 miles to escape economic disaster back home, saw their journeys abruptly halted this weekend on a frigid, remote border with Ecuador.

    Like other Latin American countries hosting thousands of fleeing Venezuelans, Ecuador suddenly erected a new entry barrier on Saturday requiring in this case passports rather than the national I.D. cards they accepted before.

    The standoff is part a growing backlash from some of the countries—among them Ecuador, Peru and Brazil—that have received 2.3 million exiled Venezuelan since 2014.

    In Brazil, a mob over the weekend burned a camp inhabited by Venezuelans in the frontier state of Roraima after a report of Venezuelans beating up a shopkeeper. The government deployed troops on Monday to bring order, and officials said they were trying to move more Venezuelans to other states. Roraima officials asked Brazil’s Supreme Court to halt the entry of Venezuelans until the government installed checkpoints to verify the criminal records and health conditions of Venezuelans entering the country.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/fleeing-venezuelans-hit-roadblocks-abroad-1534797204

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  163. @Whiskey

    Yup, governments lost whatever loose grip they had over here. Question is, why? AK-47s were relevant in the 50s, but a lot of the breakdown is more recent – like, starting 30-40 years-ago and continuing up to this day.

    I think a lot of the breakdown comes from the governments adopting legal “solutions” fit for milder places. It’s not a big problem to make prision sentences focus on the recovery of criminals when you’re in Norway dealing with Norwegian criminals – there aren’t many of them, they are mostly not organized Mafia-style, and there’s plenty of money to spend in monitoring them. When you try to do this in Guatemala or Brazil – less money, far more criminals who are far more violent – you get disaster.

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  164. @(((Owen)))

    I’ve heard Angolans in Brazil say that their families tried to dissuade them from coming here because they were afraid of the violence they saw in Brazilian news. This is just anedocte, I know, but it made me more open to the possibility that Africa is really not as bad as Latin America when it comes to violence (it is definitely worse in regards to material prosperity, though).

    I agree that bad statistics may obscure the body count in Africa, but I think there is something else at play. For the math to work, West African countries need to be missing 90% of murders.

    Brazil has a murder rate of around 30 per 100.000 (US is around 5, for comparison). Genetically, the country is some 30-35% African, mostly West African. Yet its murder rate is higher than that Nigeria, Ivory Coast or Cape Verde (10/100.000), the source of its Black population. Add to this that two of the (whiter) Southern States have very high murder rates, and that the alrready-high murder rate of the blacker Northeatern States skyrocketed in the last ten years.

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  165. @The Wild Geese Howard

    I mean, Africans were also pretty murderous, yet African-descended Latin Americans are even more so.

    Peruvians descend from the Incas, and they kill themselves at a rate of 7/100.000 close to the [average] American rate of 6/100.000. Colombians and Brazilians, OTOH, have homicide rates in the 30s/100.000 – more than what’s seen in West Africa (~10/100.000).

    The racial composition of the population can explain why the violence is much higher in Latin America than in Europe, but it doesn’t explain why it’s higher than in the places inhabited by the African and Amerindcomponent source populations.

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  166. moshe says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Jews are more likely to be autists than goyim.

    And you wonder why everyone mocks you. Rationality is not your strong suit.

    p.s. I’m a dick. Ignore me. :)

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  167. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    Urban areas have historically been unable to maintain their populations without importing people from the countryside.

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