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I haven’t actually been paying attention to the impeachment whoop-tee-doo, other than that Nancy Pelosi, casting about for some legal pretext, is now arguing, creatively, that Trump not delivering foreign aid to Ukraine is, when you stop and think about it metaphysically, the kind of bribery that the Founders were talking about when they talked about impeachment for bribery.

 
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  1. El Dato says:

    In fact, that “foreign aid” is, when you stop to REALLY think about it, a handout to the US arms manufacturer (the fact that there is material coming out of it is incidental). As well as some shovel-ready jobs for the military for on-site instructions, heaving drinking, banging of Musch Ukranii, and exchanging war stories with Real Nazis at the campfire.

    Of course it’s all about a Get Out Of Jail Free card Team Blue, which leads us to a fresh Amendement to the Constitution: “Once a blue corruptoid becomes your politicial opponent, an investigation into his past behaviour shall not be started or demanded by any means whatsoever. Also, FATCA is for plebs without politicial protection.”

  2. Like you, I don’t pay attention to this infotainment. I did see the TV on at a restaurant from afar with Nancy Pelosi in a red dress lecturing the people. How did America get in such shape to where we have this worthless 80 year-old woman in a position to lecture the American people on any damn thing?

    We’re getting it from both ends. We’ve got 80-year old ladies in red dresses giving hell to the President and conservatives from Congress in Washington, FS and stupid little 16 y/o Swedish girls berating us from the United Nations in New York City. You’re jammin’ me!

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @El Dato
    , @Desiderius
  3. bomag says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    LOL, I just heard that song on the radio.

    Often, in court proceedings, you have to claim damages for things to proceed. I haven’t heard anyone announce the damages to Ukraine or Biden in this deal.

    It kind of looks like jaywalking at three in the morning: nobody hurt, but we have some statutes that might apply, so off we go to punish you for the sake of punishment.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  4. syonredux says:

    Off-topic:

    Jonah Goldberg is really gunning for Michelle Malkin…..

    When anti-Semites use you as a fig leaf and you support anti-Semites I lose interest in making the subtle distinctions you crave. And when you call me open borders — never mind all your other vile bullshit — you prove you lost your mind. It’s sad. I used to respect you.

  5. Here, this will take your mind to a whole other place:

  6. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Autochthon
  7. Grumpy says:

    OT:

    Brian Rosenberg, the president of Macalester College in St. Paul, Minnesota, has decided that the name of the college’s founder should be removed from a building.

    http://www.startribune.com/macalester-president-calls-for-stripping-founder-s-name-from-campus-building-over-racist-views/564997222/

    The school newspaper explains that Edward Duffield Niell did some interesting stuff (like serve as Abraham Lincoln’s private secretary in 1864), but “he actively participated in, supported and legitimized the white settler-colonization of Minnesota.”

    https://themacweekly.com/76882/neill-hall/who-was-edward-duffield-neill/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Mr McKenna
  8. As I saw somewhere else….

    Remember the names.

    These are the coup members. The politicians voting for it, and their presstitutes pushing it and using lies and propaganda to push it.

    It is no use stopping them through outrage and calling them out. They are immune to such, having no souls, as they feel we will all fall into line once they exact it—they view us all as stupid sheep to push around, lead, or slaughter, as their will.

    But there is a use in remember who they are, so that they may be punished later.

    So note their names, what they do, and when they do it. So that later, these charges can be brought against them—when the bill comes due, and pendulum completes its swing.

    Thus:

    Remember the names.

  9. El Dato says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ex-Ukraine envoy’s feelings that Trump ‘threatened’ her & his ‘real-time attacks’ on Twitter are IMPEACHABLE, Democrats say

    Trump triggers EXTREME FEELINGS through transcripts. I’m sure there is a Japanese horror movie in this. “THE TRANSCRIPT” wherein people who read said TRANSCRIPT are transformed into basket cases, start to feast on senatorial innards in secure locations and begin slithering through aeration ducts, attacking meetings being held behind closed doors.

    The former ambassador recalled her reaction to the transcript of the phone call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a testimony that the New York Times called “powerful and personal.”

    Quoting a third-person account for some reason, Yovanovitch said that “a person who saw me actually reading the transcript said that the color drained from my face.”

    “I think I even had a physical reaction. I think, you know, even now, words kind of fail me,” she went on.

    House Intelligence Committee chair Adam Schiff (D-California) interrupted the questions from Democratic counsel Daniel Goldman to read a tweet Trump had posted “in real time” during her testimony and solicit Yovanovitch’s reaction.

    “Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad,” the tweet began.

    Yovanovitch said she felt “very intimidated” by what Trump had to say. Schiff applauded Yovanovitch’s “courage” for testifying. In a huddle with reporters after the hearing, he later called Trump’s tweeting “witness intimidation,” deeming it “part of the pattern to obstruct justice.

    Btw, did you know that Ambassador Yovanovitch uses “you know” a whole lot?

    (I suggest to replace IMPEACHABLE everywhere by IMPECCABLE for good effect.)

    • LOL: kikz
  10. It isn’t impeachment. It is election nullification.

    The Bad People won, therefore the results are invalid, prima facie.

    The Republic is over. Now it is just a question of who wins the next round: Sulla, Pompey, Caesar, Crassus, Octavian, Shih Huang-Ti.

  11. El Dato says:
    @bomag

    Often, in court proceedings, you have to claim damages for things to proceed. I haven’t heard anyone announce the damages to Ukraine or Biden in this deal.

    That’s for civil proceedings though.

    If the State investigates, that’s another matter.

  12. After reading this post, I looked up Pelosi’s remarks. Is it really the position of the Democratic Party that providing Ukraine with weapons for a border dispute it has with Russia is “a vital security interest of the US?” That worries me.

    Do any of these people understand the situation on the ground? I’ve been to the Crimea and eastern Ukraine. The people there all considered themselves Russian and did not want anything to do with the Ukraine. That doesn’t justify Russian annexation, of course. But it does make things awful muddy. Since WWII, how many times has the US gotten involved in an ethnic conflict that turned into a bloody quagmire that we had to pull out from with our tail between our legs? Do we really want to do this with a nuclear armed power on one side? Can we please get some grownups running US foreign policy?

    • Agree: Simply Simon
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Thomas
  13. J.Ross says:
    @syonredux

    If we do not push back on the magical sacred anti-Semitism third rail thing, then every last non-Jewish non-anti-Semitic commentator will be silenced, along the lines of the Stalinist accusation of being “objectively pro-fascist.” The real anti-Semites know to keep their mouths shut and are unaffected. If it was some harmless token, some ritual nod in Jerusalem’s direction, I would grumble and bow my head. But this is bookburning. And it’s never applied honestly: does anybody really think Michelle Malkin is a freaking anti-Semite? You know who’s very concerned about the rise of anti-Semitism, and always able to spot anti-Semites in the field, especially when they criticize him? Kurt Eichenwald.
    ——–
    quick hits regarding impeachment
    >Democrats have less than nothing, they have hearsay, guesses about unspoken thoughts, and are always using phrases like “starting to come together” and “brings us closer.” Which is perfectly consistent for these enemies of free speech, if you recall the significance of the Oceanian victory on the Malabar front.
    >Wipe away the weasel words. Grant for purposes of argument that Trump explicitly said, in Ukrainian, “I will withhold your aid unless you look into Biden family corruption,” then cackled, and threw a kitten into a alligator’s mouth. What would that get you? Would one American care about that? Would anyone see that as meriting impeachment? Keep in mind that alligators are an endangered species.
    >Adam Sanpaku Schiff is collapsing. His close friend, frequent collaborator, and political donor was arrested for trying to get sexual photographs from a nine year old. Schiff himself has been claimed to be connected to Ed Buck (not outlandish, they’re both Californian political types) and to have paid off a nineteen year old youth.
    >Schiff’s performance as chairman is hilariously bad and he is getting treatment some pain-tolerant men pay for by the half hour from the brilliant NY representative Elise Stefanik (at the time of her election, the youngest woman sent to Congress).

  14. J.Ross says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Have you heard former ambassador Bill Taylor babble about how the freedom of Ukraine to be free of influence from a country they border is the controlling factor for the freedom of Western Europe? He actually said that.
    A while back some deep state spook was babbling on NPR about how we should start a war with Russia (he didn’t explicitly say this but was doing that swamp creature thing where that’s totally what he wanted to imply) about the Arctic (this actually happened) and then he mewls, “This is about our sovereignty.” I wanted to ask him in a thick Russian accent if he still felt that way in light of new plan from fearless leader Vladimir Vladimirovich, in which Arctic will be totally taken over, by Russian forces, but who have out-contracted to MS-13.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  15. Check out the text of the Federal bribery statute, 18 USC sec. 201 (I assume that’s the applicable definition). I can’t see that the conduct of Trump which the Democrats complain of meets any of the elements of the crime defined in the statute. For example, the definition of “public official” which the statute makes illegal to bribe does not include a foreign public official. Nor could any Ukrainian official come under the definition of witness whom it is a crime to bribe under the statute: https://tinyurl.com/qjeesnt

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  16. Why would Trump attempt to bribe Ukraine, a country not on good terms with Russia, when he could just ask Putin for help instead?

    The Dems narrative has a pretty big plot hole, part 2 of their “Trump Saga” is blatantly retconning the Russian puppet plot line of part 1.

  17. when you stop and think about it metaphysically

    As Will Rogers said, I never metaphysical I didn’t like.

    (Sorry for the wiley post.)

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  18. anon[477] • Disclaimer says:

    After reading this post, I looked up Pelosi’s remarks. Is it really the position of the Democratic Party that providing Ukraine with weapons for a border dispute it has with Russia is “a vital security interest of the US?”

    Look, a big war with Russia is needed for reasons no one has to explain. Probably has something to do with Cossacks taking all the good golf courses or something like that. Plus all the massive interference in the 2016 election! Lack of evidence is proof of something else that is surely bad.

    Hillary! explained in 2016 that a war with Russia in Syrian airspace was needed. Bad Orange Man has thwarted that plan, so a new plan is required. This one is a sure winner, because the Russians have no record of beating invaders in the steppes, and they don’t have nearly enough women or trannies in their units to be truly effective.

    Besides, Orange Man Bad! That’s all you need to know, citizen. Don’t you dare type out “Hunter Bi…”” either. Not if you know what’s good for you.

  19. Whiskey says: • Website

    It’s all feelz. Ambassador was sad and xi identifies as a woman you bigot. So shut up hater the good people have a gulag for you. If you don’t get necklaced first.

    Those are the rules. May not like them but there they are.

    Women. The enemy of White men since forever. Note xi was featured near tears. All the Republicucks got sad. Trump sad for him and us is done. All because of beta ness.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  20. Best take of the day:

  21. Thomas says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    “Ukraine” is not really a country. It’s basically just a borderland satellite that’s been traded back and forth between Russia and its rivals to the West for the past 800 years. (It wasn’t even called “Ukraine” until after the fall of the Soviet Union, it was “the Ukraine,” a word derived from a Slavic word that means “borderland,” and, before the Soviet Union, it was “Malarus” and “Novorus,” “Little Russia” and “New Russia.”) “Ukraine” has been trading governments between Russian and globalist catspaws since the fall of the Soviet Union. The only reason the globalists who have run American foreign policy since the end of the Cold War care about “Ukraine” is as a wedge to use against Russia. It has African levels of poverty and corruption, (which makes the claims about “defending democracy” there laughable), and basically is of no use to anyone in the world except for growing grain.

    These folks basically didn’t get the memo that the Cold War ended, and that the end of Communism meant we basically have no natural reason to be enemies with Russia, a country on the other side of the world with poor access to the ocean. Too many iron rice bowls to break, too risky rebalancing on an actual geopolitical rival across the Pacific (China).

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
  22. @Achmed E. Newman

    How did America get in such shape to where we have this worthless 80 year-old woman in a position to lecture the American people on any damn thing?

    Note: all the women in attendance were fine until he let himself get AMOGed by a woman (sic – see accompanying pic) with a higher T-level than him. His biggest mistake was spending an inordinate proportion of his speech sucking up to his audience. No wonder they so easily were turned on him.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @obwandiyag
  23. @anon

    a big war with Russia is needed for reasons

    Chinese influence

  24. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    It’s very much in danger, but it’s not over yet. The Roman Republic lasted over twice this long, plus we have their example to avoid.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  25. @El Dato

    Tricky Adam Schiff again paraphrases Trump for effect, this time substituting a passage from The Shadow over Innsmouth for the transcript of Trump’s actual phone call:

    “The former ambassador recalled her reaction to the transcript of the phone call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a testimony that the New York Times called “powerful and personal.”
    “Quoting a third-person account for some reason, Yovanovitch said that “a person who saw me actually reading the transcript said that the color drained from my face.”
    “I think I even had a physical reaction. I think, you know, even now, words kind of fail me,” she went on.

    • Replies: @Haruto Rat
    , @Anon
  26. @Desiderius

    That is not the reason. The reason for the demonization of Russia (and now the whole bizarro world of turning Ukraine into political Shelob’s Lair) is far more chthonic and atavistic. (Not to mention Cthulhuistic, while we’re using weird dipthongs.)

    1. Once North America and Western Europe have been enriched past the point of no return (which is sooner than you think), the only remaining substantial stockpile of White European Christians on Earth will be in Russia, Ukraine, and the Visegrad nations. A nuclear-armed, Christian-resurgent Russia, with vast land territory, high military ability and infinity natural resources, could prove a viable staging ground for a credible resurgence of White Christian peoples. Such a thing cannot be (((tolerated))).

    2. Ukraine, in addition to being a breadbasket, a Black Sea coastline and a rich source of resources, is a large nature preserve full of White people. So of course this must be destroyed. The highly successful working protocol to date has been to suck White nature preserves into NATO and the EU, and then expose them to the miracles of refugee resettlement and mass immigration. Has worked like a charm to date. Ukraine is thus being set up for demographic destruction. And in the meantime, Our Best Friends Forever can loot it like a sick child’s piggy bank. Win-win.

    3. Putin is Hitler! and not just another Second World strongman because, to at least a degree, he stopped our BFFs from looting Russia like they did in the Yeltsin years. Funny, Hitler was “Hitler!” because he also stopped our BFFs from looting Germany, which is how he became Hitler! in the first place. Cartoon-villain Awesome Origin Stories are such good box office.

    • Replies: @kikz
  27. B36 says:

    Steve, hope you’ll take a look at “The Plot Against the President: The True Story of How Congressman Devin Nunes Uncovered the Biggest Political Scandal in U.S. History” by Lee Smith. Quite the page turner and would make a great movie (if Hollywood wasn’t totally leftist).

    • Replies: @dr kill
  28. @Thomas

    You’re in danger of reducing the issue to the level of an old-school board game, like Stratego. I’m not a sentimentalist, but there are real people living real lives there and just like in the marketing sense, nationalism is like brand equity. It’s got value.

    And the intellectual capital from Ukraine can’t be compared to Africa’s offerings. There may have been many African Lysenkos, but has there ever been an African Glushkov?

    Slavic language speakers these days can tell a pro-RU v. a pro-UA actor by choice of prepositions. Extra credit 🙂

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Glaivester
    , @kikz
  29. Alfa158 says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Sulla hands down. None of the others are sufficiently degenerate for the role.

  30. El Dato says:
    @Whiskey

    Yeah, but, look at the whole scene dispassionately.

    It’s as if these so-called “representatives” were playing a part in a very, very bad soap opera written by a 17-year old as an end-of-year project while sitting on the shitter because xe has a bad case of the runs.

    Frankly it blows the mind.

    Meanwhile: Local player feels around a possible change of strategy.

    ‘NATO will be soiling its pants’: Ukrainian tycoon seen as power behind president calls for ‘new Warsaw Pact’ with Moscow

    Igor Kolomoysky, the oligarch seen by many as the shadow power behind Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, has changed his tune sharply from the days of the 2014 Maidan rebellion.

    Back then he was an ally of pro-European President Petro Poroshenko, who even appointed him governor of the Dnepropetrovsk region. Once installed there, Kolomoysky placed a bounty on captured fighters from the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk republics, who fought against the new authorities in Kiev, and spent a reported $10 million per month fielding his own private militia, also funding ultranationalist volunteer units, like the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion.

    “We’ll just have to kill them,” he said of the rebels at the time.

    He now believes an alliance with Russia is the best bet for Kiev, he told the New York Times in an interview.

    “They’re stronger anyway. We have to improve our relations,” he said. “People want peace, a good life, they don’t want to be at war. And you [America] are forcing us to be at war, and not even giving us the money for it,” he added, referring to reports that the International Monetary Fund is holding up an aid package to Ukraine until the government pursues money missing from Kolomoysky’s Privatbank – money Kolomoyasky is accused of embezzling.

    ….

    Kolomoysky is undaunted by the prospects of a Democrat taking office next year and cracking down.

    “If they get smart with us, we’ll go to Russia,” he told the Times. “Russian tanks will be stationed near Krakow and Warsaw. Your NATO will be soiling its pants and buying Pampers.”

    Though described by Putin as a “swindler” and “one of a kind chancer,” Kolomoysky is certain that Kiev will drift towards Russia.

    “I’m describing, objectively, what I’m seeing and where things are heading,” he said.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  31. El Dato says:
    @Desiderius

    Some women with real abilities are having none of it:

    https://luysii.wordpress.com/2019/11/12/tough-60s-chick-disappoints-woke-young-interviewer/

    It’s Miss Twilight Zone (on the right), sadly now older and stricken by cancer

  32. Steve, I sent a metaphysical donation to your gloriole. Let me know via thought transference if you don’t experience it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  33. Anon[426] • Disclaimer says:

    Tweets, no matter what their content, should not constitute “impeachable offenses”.

    John Brennan placing spies in the White House should be a criminal offense. Changing rules so that “hearsay” evidence from secondary sources (I head John say he heard Trump tell Gary X or Y in a phone call) is ludicrous. Transcript of the call was released. Nothing wrong in it.

    We should not be in the Ukraine anyway.

    You wanna defang the deep state? End all nepotism in the State Department and all other FedGov branches in Washington, especially FBI and CIA. Your mamma, daddy, aunt, uncle, or grandparent work for this branch of government……..then you are legally forbidden from working there. Go make a life in flyover America that you claim to love so much. Prove it.

  34. @Gwawr Y Meirwon

    I thought the whole point of foreign aid was bribery. If we haven’t been getting value for our bribe money, we should stop the practice immediately.

    • Replies: @Gwawr Y Meirwon
  35. @anon

    you dare type out “Hunter Bi…”” either. Not if you know what’s good for you.

    Or Eric CIA-ramella.

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
  36. Poor Ukraine! So close to Russia; so far from the Hajnal Line!

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Porfirio_D%C3%ADaz

  37. @syonredux

    Jonah Goldberg embodies everything invidious about the neo-Con never-Trumpers: their siding with the enemy, lack of magnanimity, preening based on how supposedly principled their stance is, their self-importance, self-righteousness, and self-centeredness, but especially the class-based I am high-and-mighty but you are a low-life deplorable.

    The fact that he lives off “conservative” money shows that treasonous parasites can flourish in the swamp.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  38. @Alfa158

    Sulla hands down. None of the others are sufficiently degenerate for the role.

    You sure about that? Octavian was ruthless, but only when need drove him. E.g., he had Cicero killed. Octavian’s political skills made Sulla’s look small. Octavian became Augustus without resorting to proscription.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  39. @Hypnotoad666

    Precisely why the Federal statute by its terms doesn’t cover foreign public officials. If it did, every postwar President would have been indictable -and impeachable under the express language of the Constitution- under it.

  40. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:

    I thought the first Russia scandal (2016-2019) was a clear “inoculation” strategy by the Hillary Party. My thinking was her tenure as SoS involved such global graft, she needed to preemptively muddy the waters ahead of the person improbably best positioned to nail her on corruption, even if the “psychic Putin saw the potential in lowly Trump” narrative didn’t pass laugh tests.

    I think the second Russia scandal, named “Ukraine bribery-extortion” because misleading technical language always bolsters the verisimilitude of a fad, is mostly improvised, i.e. less stage management from Hillary Party grandees. This summer I kept hearing, from right-leaning hype, it was because Brennan/Clapper/Comey had Walls-Closing-In Syndrome and they needed to save their hides via this scandal. I honestly doubt those 3 are afraid of anything happening to them, and nothing will. The Ukrainesplaining by Democrats is more redolent of huffing/puffing desperation time than a CIA/FBI/NSA super-elaborate web depicted in right-wing storytelling. That’s not to say it will fail– but in this case, even the loudest impeachers know the scandal’s not really about what it’s “about.” Interestingly this is the same assessment “sophisticated” liberals made about the 90s Clenis impeachment, but with tables turned they are blind to that tendency now.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  41. A major structural advantage the leftists have in our political system is that “crimes” involving the apparatus of government will typically be tried in Washington D.C. which is majority minority and voted 94% against Trump.

    Chuck Colson described looking at all the black faces on the D.C. grand jury and knowing that he was screwed. Roger Stone just got a taste of this as well.

    A law should be passed to make it that crimes involving the federal political structure (e.g. lying to Congress) are tried by a jury selected from the 50 states.

  42. @Grumpy

    Liam McMahon, Editor-in-Chief

    Liam McMahon = Mil. macho man.

    Macalester used to be a good school with a bad football team. Now it’s a half-assed school with a half-assed football team. (They beat Cornell this year– but it was the original Cornell, enrollment 1,026.)

    Jack Weatherford, a descendant of Red Eagle, taught at Macalester for many years, and wrote books arguing that savagery has more staying power than civilization. He appears to be the only American academic* to have been awarded the Order of the Polar Star.

    Not Sweden’s, not Norway’s.

    Mongolia’s.


    Considering Steve’s interest in matters Genghis, perhaps we should be following Dr Weatherford’s recent career more closely. He splits his time between Charleston, South Carolina and the Gobi.

    (Wikipedia has Mongolia in Cherokee, but not Dr Weatherford’s Creek.)

    *Unless you count the former Mr Susan Eisenhower.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  43. I cannot believe that Cheeto Hitler, the master brander, flubbed the opportunity to brand this as the Pelosi/Schiff impeachment. This will probably finish Nancy anyway, but I would have made sure she had to wear it like an albatross. But the conservative media stuck Schiff’s name on the impeachment due to the irresistible alliterative possibilities.

  44. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kibernetika

    You’re in danger at Risk of reducing the issue to the level of an old-school board game, like Stratego.

    FIFY.

  45. Glaivester says: • Website
    @Kibernetika

    Stratego? When I think Ukraine, the board game I think of it Risk (of course, in Risk, Ukraine was more or less equivalent to the entire European part of the Soviet Union).

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  46. @Grumpy

    Hey! Why not rename the place Rosenberg College?

    ‘Bout time we had one of those.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  47. dfordoom says: • Website
    @El Dato

    Kolomoysky is certain that Kiev will drift towards Russia.

    If the eastern Europeans have any sense they will eventually realise that their survival as nations and as functional societies depends on allying themselves with Russia rather than the US.

    Unfortunately there’s no actual evidence that the eastern Europeans have any sense.

    • Agree: Haruto Rat
  48. @Glaivester

    Kramer thought the Ukraine was weak, and look what happened to him.

  49. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    Sulla had the cool epitaph though. “There is no friend who aided me, or enemy who has harmed me, that I have not repaid in full”. Also, Sulla renounced the dictatorship, and died a private citizen. Supposedly banging a female impersonator at the time of his death.

  50. @James J. O'Meara

    “Quoting a third-person account for some reason, Yovanovitch said that “a person who saw me actually reading the transcript said that the color drained from my face.”
    “I think I even had a physical reaction. I think, you know, even now, words kind of fail me,” she went on.

    Could there be a possibility, just a possibility that people who have “physical reactions” to hearing unpleasant things are not quite suited for diplomatic jobs?

    • Agree: Hibernian, sayless
    • Replies: @El Dato
  51. Realist says:

    OT: Will Trump pardon Roger Stone? If not, why not?

  52. @Alfa158

    Trump is Marius. I wish he’d hurry up and dump the enemy into the Tiber, I mean the Potomoc.

  53. It was always to be inferred, but now it is explicitly clear, that nobody on this blog has the slightest understanding of what the word metaphysics means.

  54. @Anon

    End all nepotism in the State Department and all other FedGov branches in Washington, especially FBI and CIA.

    What are you? Some kinda anti-semite?

  55. Hibernian says:
    @syonredux

    Isn’t Michelle married to a Jewish dude?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  56. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    Kvetch all day until the harrassment lawsuit starts!

  57. Ganderson says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Beret wearing sissies. We used to beat up Mac “men” when we were in high school. My wife’s an alum- I’m going to suggest we reconsider our annual donation- no prizes will be awarded for correctly guessing the outcome of that discussion. I’m just another beta, I guess.

    I’d rather, last night’s loss to BU notwithstanding, give the money to the UMASS hockey program.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  58. Ganderson says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Stalin Hall. Has a nice ring to it….

  59. El Dato says:
    @Haruto Rat

    Diplomacy in the Age of Trump: Laden with supernatural horror!

    [the above from Andreas’s “Cromwell Stone”]

    • LOL: Haruto Rat
    • Replies: @Haruto Rat
  60. @Desiderius

    Larry Sanders said Catholics are no good at banking.

    Proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is a flaming idiot.

    And that anyone, anyone who attacks him is by definition in the right.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @anon
  61. Mike1 says:
    @anon

    At the risk (or certainty) of sounding like a crazed conspiracy theorist: the Rothschilds were not successful in lending to Russia. They did lend money there but made no real inroads.

    This is the only example on earth of this happening. In every other country capable of paying a loan they built enormous power. The reasons for their lack of success are not apparent. It may have been antisemitism but a more likely explanation is the Russian personality.

  62. @J.Ross

    With respect to pushback, I have a modest proposal.

    If anyone in public drops the s-bomb or the f-bomb, the remark is simply ignored and not regarded as if was even ever uttered. Kind of like “the jury will disregard the last question asked by defense counsel.”

    A person speaking that way will not be censured, canceled, scolded or criticized in anyway. It is just that the remark in question just plain was never made. So Mr. Goldberg simply did not call Ms. Malkin an anti-semite because he simply did not make a remark calling her that.

    Yes, this is a version of “la-la-la-I-can’t-hear-you”, which is also a Free Speech right although very immature. What I am proposing is that response gets a pass if the remark you are blocking out, and you are entitled to block it out in its entirety without anything being said, contains those words.

  63. kikz says:
    @El Dato

    speakin’ of Ukraine. and public wonderings as to when it became an ally?
    last night, i revisited an old flick, that came across one of my ‘providers’. Lord of War. circa 2005/ N. Cage.
    I rembd the opening sequence of the lifecycle of the bullet/round frm mfg to someone’s forehead… interesting POV……. this is hollyweird but what i watched of it did get me thinking……

    His character, an intl arms dealer, born in Ukraine grew up in Odessa NJ(?), and the backstory on his dealings in Ukraine and the world near and shortly after the end of the Cold War, set some thoughts in motion, as to Ukraine and US involvement there.

  64. kikz says:
    @Kibernetika

    i’d love to know if there are any Ukrainians left who even remember Holodomor?

    restructuring by the US is one thing… but the election of of a tribal comic Zelensky seems indicative of a no…………………… but then i suppose the corruption extends to the electoral process as well.

  65. kikz says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Putin did chokechain the old bolshi oligarchs, and supports the orthodox xtians… that’s why he’s ‘hitler’.

  66. @J.Ross

    Can you clarify this for me and everyone else?

    The Left is regarding it as one of Euclid’s Postulates that Vice President Biden didn’t do anything corrupt and any claim that he did is a “lie.”

    There are things that many of us on the Right fervently believe that perhaps remain unprovable. Take Benghazi, please. The Right developed a Narrative that President Obama fiddled while Benghazi burned, and maybe a rumor had been spread by some disgruntled people-in-uniform not allowed to speak out about a rescue mission being called off, but the rightwing claim that there were resources that could have plausibly rescued the four Americans who perished is at best unprovable.

    The claim about Hunter Biden being a “Fredo”, however, we have Don deLawareone on video saying as much, don’t we? Or do I have some kind of right-wing cognitive deficit and the Don was saying no such thing?

    What is the explanation that the Left offers on this one? I can’t bring myself to read enough DU or Kos to get to the bottom of this. I skimmed those and other sources as much as I can stomach, and what I could see is all they are saying is “Trump’s campaign ad lies”, and it took some digging that they were talking about the one ragging on Hunter. But it appeared they were choking on the words to even mention to anyone new to their Web sites that the “lie” was about the Burisma affair?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Harry Baldwin
  67. @Hibernian

    Isn’t Michelle married to a Jewish dude?

    LOL. Marriage doesn’t protect you. Jewish relatives don’t protect you. Being a Jew doesn’t even protect you!

    If you actively oppose the Jewish’ “nation of immigrants”, endless immigration program, or worse are a nationalist–support the right of a nation’s people to keep their nation (other than Israel)–then you are going to be labelled an anti-Semite.

    Anyone seriously interested in immigration, is eventually going to notice Jewish ethnocentrism and fanaticism around this issue. The more intellectual will realize this is tied in with the Jews middle-man minority niche–the desire to be able to freely move to and exploit any opportunity and the preference for balkanized, easily penetrable territory (ideally with centralized authority protecting Jews) rather than cohesive one-people nations. And will notice Jews outsized role in entertainment and news media, in academia, in politics pushing immigrationism, minoritarianism, anti-nationalism and mocking/contempt for son’s-of-the-soil whites.

    And even nationalists/restrictionist people who don’t focus on or talk much about Jewish behavior themselves–ex. Sailer, Derbyshire, Jared Taylor, Michelle Malkin–are inevitably going to come in contact with other nationalists/restrictions who do analyze it and speak about it–“anti-Semites!” And thus they are anti-Semites by association.

    Boiled down, Jews as a endogamous middle-man minority have a set of interests and an ideology to support them–minoritarianism, immigrationism, elite-state-control–that are hostile to the interests of most normal i’m-from-this-patch people. Ergo if you support nationalism and immigration control (for anyplace but Israel) then you are opposing Jewish ideology and therefore–no matter how close your relations with actual Jews or even being Jewish yourself–you are an anti-Semite.

  68. @El Dato

    The growing catalogue of people–FBI agents, CIA agents, Ukrainian politicians, emotional Ambassadors–for whom disagreement with their opinion is “treason” or at least an “impeachable offense” is mind boggling.

    The weird thing is … i don’t even remember voting for–or even against–any of these people. I do remember strolling down the beach here a mile to vote for Trump. (I’d never walked to the beach to go vote before–it was a hoot! And even more or a hoot that evening here, when i realized he was going to win–what a a poke in the eye of the assholes.)

    I seem to remember Trump getting elected President. So his opinion’s on foreign relations do carry some weight and become the current policy of the US. Although disagreeing with them is also completely acceptable.

    But for the life of me i can’t figure out–and i’ve read the constitution several times–why the foreign policy opinions of these random functionaries matter one iota.

  69. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Those Federal judges nominated by President Trump, and confirmed by the Senate, aren’t going to be nullified. It begins to look like one of the less-evil possible futures involves those very judges blocking the more destructive changes attempted by the Left once they inevitably capture both the Legislative and Executive branches. The Judicial branch might turn out to be the last ditch. Muh Constitution!

  70. Corvinus says:

    “I haven’t actually been paying attention to the impeachment whoop-tee-doo…”

    Of course you have NOTICE, Mr. Sailer, that is why you had to make a short quick entry onto your fine blog. We know you’ve read Seth Abramson’s two books that have exhaustively detailed Trump’s malfeasance. But in the interest of your fanbois and fangirlz, you have to throw something at them to lead them off the trail (and trial). But the fact of the matter is that privately, Republicans know of the constant lying and deception and illegal activities of Trump. They are making contingency plans, but do not have as of yet the guile and gumption to drop the hammer.

    Now, if you want to bury your head in the sand, and remain cagey, Mr. Sailer, that is your prerogative.

    • Replies: @Precious
  71. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    “Tweets, no matter what their content, should not constitute “impeachable offenses”.”

    LOL. It is the content, context, and intent that leads to whether or not the tweet constitutes impeachable offenses.

    On related matters, Guiliani associate Lev Parnas says he was on a mission for him to help Trump gain dirt on the Bidens in Ukraine; several diplomats who have experience AND objectivity in foreign affairs matters have testified that Trump desired a quid pro quo; Nunes and Stefanik knowingly violated rules when they disrupted a HPSCI hearing; a State Department official links Vice President Pence into the Scandal; Roger Stone is found guilty, etc.

    “John Brennan placing spies in the White House should be a criminal offense.”

    Except what you are saying is Fake News.

    • LOL: Desiderius
    • Troll: Haruto Rat
  72. @El Dato

    Well, I don’t think perma-poker-face should be a job requirement for ambassadors – perhaps it wouldn’t hurt but there are too few people possessing it and too many countries out there.

    Above average self control is certainly needed though. Otherwise, they’re giving away information.

  73. @Desiderius

    “The Republic is over.”

    This is “danger” and opportunity. The American Republic worked so long as it was majority white rule, where the rights of minorities were protected. But now we are entering a period of chaos. Our elites, as exemplified by the entirety of the DC establishment, are corrupt and beyond redemption, and are either profiting in some way from the dysfunction or are too stupid and arrogant to realize the walls are crumbling down. The opportunity arises to lay out plans for a new Republic wherein decentralization brings back power to regional governments and the DC swamp is reduced to a fading nightmare.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Corvinus
  74. @obwandiyag

    He got that from Weber.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism

    A lot of water under the bridge since old Cosimo’s day.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  75. @Corvinus

    Eric Ciaramella was Brennan’s boy in Trump’s NSC. And Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself.

  76. anon[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    Larry Sanders said Catholics are no good at banking.

    Was that when he was playing for Milwaukee or when he was at Cleveland?

  77. @Corvinus

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  78. dr kill says:
    @B36

    I can sort of see your point.

  79. Anon[158] • Disclaimer says:
    @James J. O'Meara

    Let me guess. Yovanovitch is Jewish, right? This coup is so Jewish I can smell the schmaltz.

  80. @SunBakedSuburb

    beyond redemption

    Why don’t you and Hillary and all the SJWs take thatr shit to China where you’ll be among friends.

    Around here Jesus is King.

  81. J.Ross says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    Well, we’ve got (1) the released phone call transcripts, and we’ve got (2) Biden on tape publicly boasting about directly threatening the Ukrainian president exactly how they Trump did, and we’ve got (3) Hunter receiving millions of dollars working in a field is he objectively not qualified to take a 201 class in. In fact that kind of looks like both the case against Biden and the case they wish they had against Trump.
    Because I sit through NPR I am familiar with three counterarguments that have been offered (on NPR: mentioned once, taken for granted, not questioned, and never brought up again). I don’t know if or how many lefties believe these counterarguments.
    (1) What Trump released regarding the phone call was neatly edited to omit exactly what Democrats want. This was Vinland’s claim.
    (2) This is a doozy. Ukraine is a lot like Mexico in that it could be a startlingly rich and happy country if somebody conquered it and imposed apartheid for government offices. It’s wealthy and full of talented people, but its dysfunctionally corrupt government will always screw that up — Ukraine worse than Mexico. This is actually the second time a puppet of the Banks took Ukraine away from a puppet of Putin. Putin was able to get it back because Bank shock therapy led to near total unemployment, but he wasn’t able to fix things in time, so Soros sponsored the Clankening in Maidan and here we are.
    The Democrat answer to Biden literally commanding a foreign leader to fire a prosecutor is that the prosecutor wasn’t looking into Hunter Biden, he was looking into the company Hunter Biden worked at, totally not the same thing, and that Biden was merely concerned about corruption. On the part of the prosecutor. See, the Ukrainians they don’t like are corrupt, but the Ukrainians they like are not corrupt.
    But all Ukrainians are massively corrupt. In Ukraine, China, or Mexico, “corrupt” is a pretty worthless word. Corrupt cannot mean it was X but is now Y in these places. It was never X. The concern has to be fuctionality. Look at Chicago and Detroit, both comically corrupt, but one’s prospering and in the other “corruption” is a byword for non-functionality.
    (3) Hunter himself did an interview for NPR. He sounds like you would expect him to sound, he says he earns whatever he makes, and his dad being an internationally famous office-holder in the most important possible trade partner might have been a factor, sure it was to some extent, but it wasn’t the sole reason for hiring him. He also offered to stop receiving some forms of money if his father becomes president, which is nice of him.

  82. Gabe Ruth says:
    @syonredux

    Just remember the phrase “Ledeen doctrine” and ask yourself why this person is still welcome in polite society.

  83. @Anonymous

    What?! Yoni wasn’t available?!

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  84. @Inquiring Mind

    What is the explanation that the Left offers on this one?

    I’m waiting for the innocent explanation of Joe Biden’s action as well. Too bad our journalists have lost all interest in anything that doesn’t reflect well on the narrative. When I watched the video of Jim Jordan addressing the press after the pseudo-impeachment hearing, I was struck by the open hostility of the press to him, how antagonistic and narrative-compliant all their questions were. He is their enemy and they just want to assail him with accusations. They have no interest in anything he might have to say. Do they wake up at night and feel queasy about what loathsome dishonest hacks they have all become? You’d like to think so.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Corvinus
  85. @Intelligent Dasein

    Well, it is certainly true that Steve doesn’t, but I think the jury can be plausibly said to still be out on most everybody else here. Note how, with one or two exceptions, they simply ignore Steve’s misplaced use of the word, and talk about the Ukraine without reference to it.

    Could be ignorance, but could also be embarrassment.

  86. anon[158] • Disclaimer says:

    Could be ignorance, but could also be embarrassment

    Could be a sense of humor.

  87. Corvinus says:
    @Desiderius

    Red herring, friend. Your link contains no direct connection, nor mention of, Biden. That deposit was also not under his jurisdiction, so you are peddling a false premise. Besides, if you are so concerned about corrupt oligarchs and American presidential administration assistance…

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/18/mueller-report-putin-trump-1282648

    • LOL: Desiderius
  88. Corvinus says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    “The opportunity arises to lay out plans for a new Republic wherein decentralization brings back power to regional governments and the DC swamp is reduced to a fading nightmare.”

    Blah, blah, blah. I keep hearing this, but where is the direct action on your part? Your compatriots part? Oh, that’s right, you have to wait for the right moment. Where have I heard that before?

    “Eric Ciaramella was Brennan’s boy in Trump’s NSC.”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “And Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself.”

    Now there is definitely truth to this. According to Q-Anon, it was a prominent Jewish lawyer who was told by Trump to “make it happen”. Go to neonrevolt’s blog. It’s all there. Sells merchandise, too!

  89. @Intelligent Dasein

    Oh pish tosh. English is a highly elastic, rapidly evolving language that has multiple levels and layers of expression and perception. The word “metaphysics” has come to mean all sorts of things, depending on the context, and the humor of the speaker.

    On the other hand, words like “condescending” and “pompous,” well their meanings are fairly precise.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  90. @Old Palo Altan

    No, it’s us getting the joke while it evidently flew right over your head. I can understand that happening to our resident Chauncey Gardiner, but you’re usually more on the ball than that.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  91. @Harry Baldwin

    They can’t afford self-reflection, let alone self-awareness.

  92. Dube says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    It was always to be inferred, but now it is explicitly clear, that nobody on this blog has the slightest understanding of what the word metaphysics means.

    That’s a hasty generalization.

  93. Dtbb says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I don’t mind so it doesn’t really matter.

  94. Corvinus says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    “I’m waiting for the innocent explanation of Joe Biden’s action as well. Too bad our journalists have lost all interest in anything that doesn’t reflect well on the narrative.”

    A Ukrainian prosecutor’s take on the matter is the narrative, i.e. the truth.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/09/27/ukrainian-prosecutor-says-joe-biden-hunter-biden-did-not-violate-laws/3789411002/

    So let’s focus on the actions of the current president, shall we? Even Senate Republicans in private acknowledge that Trump engaged in malfeasance, but will they have the guts to do what is right for the nation, not their party.

    “When I watched the video of Jim Jordan addressing the press after the pseudo-impeachment hearing, I was struck by the open hostility of the press to him, how antagonistic and narrative-compliant all their questions were.”

    There ought to be hostility toward Jordan.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/referee-says-he-told-rep-jim-jordan-ohio-state-doctor-n1078476

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/fourth-wrestler-says-rep-jim-jordan-was-aware-of-sexual-abuse-claims

  95. @Corvinus

    “Joe Biden Hunter Biden did not violate laws”

    Of course they didn’t, that is not the point, never was. Politics, and especially US foreign policy, involves a great deal of back-scratching and arm-twisting, some of it unseemly, some of it really really unseemly. But ’twas ever thus, and it’s a professional courtesy not to blink.

    Most of how the US gets anything done in the world is carrot and stick, loads of back-scratching, and lots of arm-twisting. There is a word for the long mouthful of clumsy words I just said, and that word is, Diplomacy. Biden Sr. engaged in diplomacy. So did Obama. And so did — get ready to have your mind blown, dude — Trump. There’s nothing to see here. It is all business as usual. So what are we left with?

    a) Election nullification. The People elected the wrong person, therefore the election must be reversed or set aside. Elections are only valid when Good People win, therefore elections have no “real” validity. Your own position reduces to, We now live in a dictatorship, and that is fine, since it is OUR dictatorship. You are not even anti-American, you are post-American.

    b) Political hardball of a kind so despicable it is no longer really even politics. Ruth Satan Ginsburg is due any day now to take her rightful place in the Lake of Fire. Dems want to roadblock Trump from naming her successor. And how can a sitting president legitimately exercise such judgments when he is sitting under a cloud of impeachment. Right? Riiiiight? Decency demands we wait til after the election to sort the matter out. And if Trump wins again, it will still be an illegitimate election which must still be nullified, for new reasons which we will make up when the time comes.

    I doubt Hunter Biden did anything at all as a board member of a foreign company in which he had no legitimate experience nor any expertise whatever. Certainly his activities never rose to the level of law-breaking. Again, doesn’t matter.

    Hunter B is a layabout useless POS, the only laws he violates are cocaine possession laws. The true matter is that a sitting Vice President with Ukraine as his portfolio, took an obvious family bribe in matters over which he exercises serious influence. Ukraine is in the midst of a civil war, and is an antagonist to a major global rival. That makes Biden’s behavior a national security concern. This man takes bribes in the midst of serious events, protects his bribes using US diplomatic muscle, then brags about it on video.mmand this man is running for president. That is a matter worth exploring.

    For Trump to look into this through any means necessary, including diplomatic channels, is a legitimate national concern, not a matter of personal or political gain. Period. Nothing real to see here.

    to, dr: you’re a buffoon.

    But we knew that already.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Corvinus
  96. @Old Palo Altan

    The other responses to you and me are quite telling of the mental landscape that prevails here. Indeed, the whole atmosphere of this blog is ironically illustrated by a simple but honest analysis of this failure to understand the word or concept of metaphysics, or to give evidence of such understanding when the occasion called for it.

    Some have claimed that it was a joke which they “got” and which you and I evidently did not. This is nothing but a lie and a bristly circling of the wagons as the Steveosphere is caught in yet another (as you said) embarrassing instance of basic illiteracy. They are right insofar as it was at least intended to be a joke, but the joke was bungled through the use of a term which, properly considered, fails to explicate the absurdity which was meant to be pointed up. Now, the organon of the joke in question is this: “Nancy Pelosi is leveling a charge of bribery when there is no bribery in actual fact, but bribery only according to the most strained, tedious, and politically motivated of definitions. What is a word that brings to light the absurdity of such proceedings, that I may make a joke of it?” As anyone familiar with the subject can plainly see, ‘metaphysics’ is a term uniquely unsuited to play this part; for the phrase “metaphysical bribery,” if it means anything, would mean the essence and quiddity of bribery, would mean the exact description of the conditions under which, once fulfilled, a determination of bribery necessarily ensues. Since this is the exact opposite of what The Joke™ was meant to express, we can make the prima facie inference that Steve was using the term incorrectly.

    There are a host of other synonyms that one could have reached for in order to make the intended joke to actual humorous effect. For instance, one could have said “involuntary bribery,” which has the doubly comical virtue of sounding like actual legalese. Indeed, the negative particle “in” is serendipitous here, for it is necessary for the humor’s sake that Trump be implied to have blundered into negligently illegal acts rather than to have entered into them deliberately, otherwise Nancy Pelosi’s point would not be far-fetched. Withdrawing aid is a form of blackmail and blackmail is, more or less, inverse bribery. Pelosi’s charge would then qualify as entirely accurately assessed “metaphysical bribery” as long as ‘metaphysical’ is meant to refer to “any casuistic process involving two or more logical inferences.” Although this appears to be what Steve and his defenders are getting at, this approach either spoils the humor of The Joke™, or it makes the innocent term ‘metaphysics’ bear the burden of the (required) nonsensical element.

    Neither can we say that the failure of the commentariat to point out the inaccuracy of the term is evidence of them “getting The Joke™.” Rather, it is evidence that they did not know what the word meant, either. Nobody who has embraced the hallowed discipline of metaphysics would tolerate such a misunderstanding. Metaphysics is the queen of all sciences, the most demanding and enjoyable of all intellectual pursuits. Steve’s readers are always ready to jump to arms whenever he messes up the release date of an album or a baseball statistic; how much more so ought they have to defended the honor of this sweetest of all mistresses, if they really had tasted her charms? No, the only conclusion to be drawn here is that Steve and his readers are operating under the delusion that ‘metaphysics’ refers to absurd, confabulous mental excogitations that have no basis in reality.

    And in a nutshell, that explains HBD. It is the belief system of those who have come to the correct recognition of racial differences, but have nowhere to go from there. In the background of their unconscious mind there lurks a grand residuum of unexamined Whiggishness, de-theologized Protestantism, and a libertarian-Cartesian conception of the individual. Further up, on the surface of consciousness, there is Darwinism and the etiolated products of a STEM obsession, the shallowest soil in which ever a thought had grown. What then can be educed from such murky mental material under the pressure of the race question? Unto what hath it a potency to transform, when tortured by the flames of a burgeoning racial awareness? Why, to HBD!—which is now revealed as (and I hope my meaning has by now become clear) the most unmetaphysical way of being a race-realist!

    • Replies: @anon
  97. anon[268] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    It was always to be inferred, but now it is explicitly clear, that nobody on this blog has the slightest understanding of what the word metaphysics means.

    Ok, so you regard our use of physics with scorn.
    Help us all out, then.

    C’mon, what exactly is a meta for, anyway?

  98. @Corvinus

    For all the time you spend at iSteve, you haven’t caught on that the Senate Republicans are not President Trump’s natural constituency?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  99. @Autochthon

    What?! Yoni wasn’t available?!

    You mean the Order of Yoni beer?

    I’d post links, but they are NSFW.

    Thus, further research is up to the interested student.

  100. @Desiderius

    Well, then, Weber’s wrong, too.

    And I doubt he got it from anywhere except his own braindead-stereotype-filled head.

    But my point is, as he is so wrong on that (not to mention on economics), he must be wrong about women, too.

  101. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    This would be a great topic for you to explore in detail on your own blog.

    • Replies: @Anon
  102. Anon[184] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Why? It’s only a parenthetical on something Sailer said.

  103. @Ganderson

    Beret wearing sissies. We used to beat up Mac “men” when we were in high school.

    Those are called tams.

    Or Balmorals.

    Or Glengarry caps.

    However, Macalester hasn’t been the same since theit annual Scottish fair moved to an Irish exurb years ago. They’ve taken up morris dancing since.

    I’d rather, last night’s loss to BU notwithstanding, give the money to the UMASS hockey program.

    Northwestern is having a lousy year in football, but they crushed Mass yesterday.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    , @Ganderson
  104. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    Agree. Jonah Goldberg tells Michelle Malkin, “I used to respect you,” like that’s a heavy blow. No one respects Jonah, so why would anyone care if he doesn’t respect them? In the days of dueling, he’s the sort of person whose insults you could safely disregard. He’s not capable of threatening your honor. To let him know where he stands you might send a footman over to cane him.

  105. Anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Trump was never going to go after the Clintons for corruption. People have already forgotten that until 2015 he was best buddies with them, and so is likely himself mixed up in whatever they were doing.

    • Replies: @Precious
  106. Gotta say, i love this “scandal”.

    Our establishment is either so desparate or so corrupt it can’t see the outside optics of this.

    Trump was doing his usual bull-in-the-china-shop routine. But what he was doing–asking the Ukrainians to investigate American-Ukranian corruption–is clearly in both Americans’ and Ukranians’ interests. I strongly support this as part of our foreign policy and i suspect i’m not alone.

    Every Republican should be phrasing questions with the likes of “investigate the reason for Hunter Biden’s $50,000 a month no work job”.

    Believe it or not, but most American’s don’t get to wield their Americaness into $600,000/year no work jobs for their mediocre, cocaine snorting sons.

    The Democrats have chosen to pitch an impeachment circus on the ground of their right to be corrupt crony capitalists and not have anyone object.

    Immigration first, but sure, let’s have an election on that!

  107. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Very well stated TGToD.

    You nailed it–and Corny’s usual parrotting buffoonery.

    I’ll only add, that Corny’s “Joe Biden Hunter Biden did not violate laws” is a line of thinking you see a lot of on the left–usually in the social/sexual behavior context–in this last 50 years.

    Some behavior is not illegal … so you can’t say anything about it or draw any distinctions or base any actions upon it. I call it “stupid binarism”. And it is an utterly destructive idea toward civilization. Civilization depends precisely on the ability to make distinctions–from “we’ll execute you if we catch you doing this” to “we are heaping praise upon you and awarding you this medal”. This can not be illegal and nonetheless be “wrong” or “bad” or “unwise”. They can not be illegal and still be worth investigating, airing out, denouncing.

    The Biden’s behavior may not–probably was not–illegal. But it sure was corrupt and sleazy. And Americans have ever interest in knowing and questioning what sleazy bullshit their politicians are up to. And Trump–as President–has every right to be trying to air it out. In fact it’s his duty. Something Obama should have done–call b.s. on it and put a stop to it–and shirked.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  108. @AnotherDad

    “Whatever the world’s greatest criminal mastermind is doing, it’s sure to be legal.”

    –Aaron Haspel

  109. @Desiderius

    If by “joke” you mean that Steve was not himself using the word “metaphysical” incorrectly, indeed cluelessly, but was rather putting that misuse into Pelosi’s age-addled noggin, then I am willing to accept it as such.

    But the wider point made by ID about most people who comment here remains sadly true: that, having never studied real philosophy they have no slightest clue what the word means and worse, they are entirely unbothered by that fact.

    A fair number even revel in it: after all, it’s not STEM, so what good is it?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  110. @Old Palo Altan

    Yes, that was the joke.

    There are many with a true and abiding love of wisdom who nonetheless retain a more jaundiced view of metaphysicians, if not metaphysics proper.

    One can be forgiven for allowing the former to bleed somewhat into the latter.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  111. Corvinus says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    “For all the time you spend at iSteve, you haven’t caught on that the Senate Republicans are not President Trump’s natural constituency?”

    Trump has a manufactured constituency. He is a snake-oil salesman, and the GOP is willing to buy what he sells at their own peril.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  112. Corvinus says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Of course they didn’t, that is not the point, never was.”

    Actually, that is the point. Trump used backchannels to get dirt on a political opponent while in office, and dangled money as the means to secure information damaging to that political opponent. That is other than legal, nor is it common presidential policy.

    “Most of how the US gets anything done in the world is carrot and stick, loads of back-scratching, and lots of arm-twisting.”

    Indeed, but not in the atypical course of action that Trump took.

    “There is a word for the long mouthful of clumsy words I just said, and that word is, Diplomacy. Biden Sr. engaged in diplomacy. So did Obama. And so did — get ready to have your mind blown, dude — Trump. There’s nothing to see here. It is all business as usual. So what are we left with?”

    You are conflating two different things. Trump engaged in this action squarely to get a political advantage by way of backchannels, which was viewed by several American diplomats as being other than kosher (heh).

    “a) Election nullification. The People elected the wrong person, therefore the election must be reversed or set aside.”

    Except that is not happening here.

    “Dems want to roadblock Trump from naming her successor”.

    You mean Democrats and Republicans have engaged in this nonsensical behavior under the guise of
    “Senatorial courtesy”.

    “Certainly his activities never rose to the level of law-breaking. Again, doesn’t matter.”

    Actually, it does matter. If that be the case, why would Trump even bother trying to secure dirt?

    “This man takes bribes in the midst of serious events, protects his bribes using US diplomatic muscle, then brags about it on video.mmand this man is running for president. That is a matter worth exploring.”

    That would be Fake News.

    “For Trump to look into this through any means necessary, including diplomatic channels, is a legitimate national concern, not a matter of personal or political gain. Period. Nothing real to see here.”

    Except Ukrainian government lawyers stated otherwise, and it was not normal diplomatic channels. Besides, why did not Trump pass off the matter to AG Barr if he was so concerned about potential corruption?

  113. Bubba says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Or “See You Jimmy Hat”…

    See You Jimmy hats. Perhaps the most potent symbol of national self mockery in the world. These hats portray the Scots as ginger-haired clowns and may be the real reason for Charles Kennedy’s popularity with the electorate. In every joke there is a germ of truth.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12445235.scottish-identity-its-bound-up-in-a-see-you-jimmy-hat/

  114. @Corvinus

    Argument by assertion. FAIL.

    See me after class.

  115. @Corvinus

    Just, oh, for instance… (there are just too many howlers in your post to bother with, I’ll pick one as an example)

    “why did not Trump pass the matter off to AG Barr?”

    Because like I said, the matter is not strictly criminal, it lives in the fuzzy world of politics and diplomacy and international skullduggery, of which there are whole mountain ranges in Ukraine (and where US law does not apply), legal investigation is not relevant. Or might not be, at least. That doesn’t make the matter not real.

    RTFM — read the f!cking manual.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  116. @Corvinus

    ‘… Trump has a manufactured constituency. He is a snake-oil salesman…’

    Perhaps, but to continue the analogy, to date it’s been choices between the snake-oil salesman and pimps who want to introduce my daughter to a life of prostitution.

    I keep having to opt for the snake-oil salesman — and if you would open your eyes, you would realize a lot of Trump’s ‘supporters’ are like me. We support the man not because we particularly like him, but because the alternatives keep being worse.

    • Agree: Dissident
  117. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    It is Trump’s prerogative if he wants to use backchannels or a hand-picked lawyer. Those state department officials are unhappy because Trump went around them and collected the evidence that implicates them as well as Biden. Digging for dirt, also known as investigating crimes, is not a crime. And Trump did pass matters off to Barr once foreign leaders agreed to provide Barr with everything he needed to conduct Durham’s criminal investigation.

    The bank records implicating Democrats in taking kickbacks every time US foreign aid was sent to the Ukraine during the Obama administration has been posted online. You aren’t fooling anyone Corvinus.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  118. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    A Ukrainian prosecutor’s take on the matter is the narrative, i.e. the truth.

    Wrong, Zelensky already had a new investigation open when he and Trump had that phone call. The bank records showing Hunter Biden taking kickbacks has been leaked.

    So let’s focus on the actions of the current president, shall we? Even Senate Republicans in private acknowledge that Trump engaged in malfeasance, but will they have the guts to do what is right for the nation, not their party.

    ^Laughable nonsense. Trump has 95% Republican approval ratings, and McConnell and Graham have already made clear there won’t be any Senate trial unless Eric the whistle blower testifies. Adam Schiff won’t let that happen because Eric will be forced to testify under oath, and will end up implicating Schiff.

  119. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    We know you’ve read Seth Abramson’s two books that have exhaustively detailed Trump’s malfeasance.

    Here is an interesting review of Seth Abramson’s first book on Amazon.

    I do not like Trump. I do not trust Trump. I believe he is as crooked as a dog’s hind leg. Leading up to the drop of the Mueller report, I followed a number of podcasts and personalities that discussed, and in hindsight, obsessed, over the Mueller investigation.

    However, Seth refers to himself not as a journalist but as a “content curator”. This should give anyone warning signs. He is right that he does no original journalism. He even has a point that there are so many stories that the narrative can get lost in the noise. However, while Seth is accurate in what he reports, he gives no credence to the idea that the articles he accurately relays on are, themselves, accurate.

    And so that is Seth’s main flaw here. He assembles the press stories and presents them as a string of logically coherent baby steps that leads to significant conclusions. Bill Maher, before the report dropped told him (approvingly) “You’re the guy who draws the strings between the pins on the map right?” and Seth agreed.

    That was the point where my stomach turned and I started to see the book for the conspiracy theory that it is. I had already promised myself that I would accept the Mueller report regardless of it’s findings. When the Mueller report came out, while not exonerating by a long shot, it most interestingly cast extreme doubt on the house of cards Seth had built, and burned many if not most of the strings he used to connect points together.

    It’s been a few months now and I was reminded again of this book and I feel the need to review it. It is a work of fiction, based on many facts, to present a narrative that as best as we can tell, does not exist. I am at once disappointed with myself that I fell for a conspiracy theory, and yet at the same time I can appreciate the nature of conspiracy theories all the better because of how this one was constructed- It appealed to my sense of the media to build not a sprawling web but a direct arrow. Each step in the chain of “logic” required evidence that was presented to me by 3rd parties. And it fit into a feeling I already had- that Trump was deeply immoral and a crook.

    Do not buy this book. Do not read it with the intent to educate yourself on the matter of Trump. If you find it as a remainder or as a cheap used book pick it up if you’re curious how intellectual, reasonably skeptical people can fall into a conspiracy theory.

  120. Precious says:
    @Anonymous

    Trump was never going to go after the Clintons for corruption. People have already forgotten that until 2015 he was best buddies with them, and so is likely himself mixed up in whatever they were doing.

    Trump had Epstein arrested. Epstein had no warning it was going to happen. And it wasn’t the sex crimes unit that arrested Epstein…it was the public government corruption unit. That is why the Epstein investigation is still open, Epstein was the stepping stone to go after the people in government who protected him. People like the Clintons.

    Trump is going after Biden now, and he isn’t going to stop with Biden. Obama and Clinton are both in the cross-hairs.

  121. Anon[255] • Disclaimer says:

    You can totally tell all these people who base their whole lives on hating Trump are total losers with nothing to live for. And most of the people who support him are just like, yeah he’s OK, seems like an OK guy, seems alright, I like that he doesn’t submit to PC… LOL IE the more reasonable and normal people

  122. @Desiderius

    A jaundiced view? Which ones?

    Very probably the same “metaphysicians” despised by the likes of ID and myself.

    Aristotelian realism through the prism of Thomas Aquinas is metaphysics unencumbered by doubt.

    Give me that, not Descartes, not Kant, not Hegel.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  123. Corvinus says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Argument by assertion.”

    No, it’s called refuting your statements.

    “Because like I said, the matter is not strictly criminal, it lives in the fuzzy world of politics and diplomacy and international skullduggery…”

    Except it doesn’t. Trump was only focused with the investigation of one Ukrainian company when that company just happened to be the only one with the son of a political rival on its board. Any suspected criminal malfeasance falls under the jurisdiction of the Department of Justice and the Attorney General. Several witnesses testified that Trump did not give a shit about Ukraine, but only what Ukraine could do for him personally and politically. Those same witnesses, as well as former Obama and Bush (JR) officials have stated that Trump’s use of a personal attorney and backchannels for the exclusive purpose of finding dirt on potential presidential candidate while in office is unheard of. Legal investigation is indeed relevant when there is an apparent quid pro quo involved here involving the president.

  124. Corvinus says:
    @Precious

    “It is Trump’s prerogative if he wants to use backchannels or a hand-picked lawyer.”

    Actually, it is patently irregular.

    “Those state department officials are unhappy because Trump went around them and collected the evidence that implicates them as well as Biden.”

    Right, against protocols and procedures. Of course, you automatically that this “evidence” implicates Biden, when it has yet to be legally established.

    “The bank records implicating Democrats in taking kickbacks every time US foreign aid was sent to the Ukraine during the Obama administration has been posted online.”

    That’s not entirely accurate.

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/may/07/viral-image/fact-checking-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine

    Now, if you concerned about corruption, I am sure that this incident would rile you up as well, right, about Paul Manafort and his Ukrainian dealings when Trump was running for office.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html

    “Zelensky already had a new investigation open when he and Trump had that phone call.”

    Actually, Zelensky was considering opening up several past cases for review. In May 2019, Zelensky and his team realized Ukraine’s relationship with the U.S. — including a potential face-to-face meeting with Trump — could be at stake if they did not support the continuation of investigations like Burisma.

    “The bank records showing Hunter Biden taking kickbacks has been leaked.”

    I did not realize that Hunter Biden receiving a board post is a kickback. But just to entertain your notion here, please show me a source where it directly characterizes those bank records as definitively showing Biden receiving kickbacks. That is, is this term “kickback” used in the source or is it others not found in the source who are describing the transaction as what they perceive to be a kickback?

    “Trump has 95% Republican approval ratings…”

    According to Who/Whom?

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-once-again-claims-94-percent-approval-rating-among-republicans-says-people-dont-1464995

    “94% Approval Rating in the Republican Party, a record. Thank you!” the president tweeted on September 9, despite the poll he appears to be referring to showing him with a Republican approval rating of 84 percent according to a Monmouth University Poll, or at 88 percent according to an August Fox News poll, The Post reported, attempting to discover where the president’s 94 percent claim had come from. Trump also recently shared a poll, conducted by right-wing website Breitbart that suggested he had an almost 98 percent approval rating, despite Real Clear Politics showing the president’s average approval rating stands at 43.5 percent, with a disapproval rating of 53.5 percent.

    “Here is an interesting review of Seth Abramson’s first book…”

    Abramson has taken sourced material that is accurate and has been fact checked. There is no “conspiracy” here on his part, just the blending of stories from journalists in the United States and overseas. That is why is called “curatorial journalism”. Please educate yourself.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/22/trump-russia-too-complex-to-report-we-must-turn-curatorial-journalism

    • Replies: @Precious
  125. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    Actually, it is patently irregular…Right, against protocols and procedures. Of course, you automatically that this “evidence” implicates Biden, when it has yet to be legally established.

    Biden will have every opportunity to defend himself at trial. What is patently irregular is State Department officials refusing to obey the President’s orders, so to resolve the situation Trump went around them.

    That’s not entirely accurate…link to old outdated article

    Wrong again, I am accurate. Bank records were posted a few days ago. May articles are old news.

    Now, if you concerned about corruption, I am sure that this incident would rile you up as well, right, about Paul Manafort and his Ukrainian dealings

    Paul Manfort was not Trump’s campaign manager. That was Jared Kushner. Manafort was Trump’s fake campaign manager. All Trump did was feed lies to Manafort because he knew Manafort was a spy for Trump’s Republican enemies. That helped Trump navigate past his enemies to lock up the Republican nomination.

    [MORE]

    Actually, Zelensky was considering opening up several past cases for review. In May 2019, Zelensky and his team realized Ukraine’s relationship with the U.S. — including a potential face-to-face meeting with Trump — could be at stake if they did not support the continuation of investigations...

    Ukraine is required by treaty to cooperate with US criminal investigations. Zelensky has no choice but to cooperate.

    I did not realize that Hunter Biden receiving a board post is a kickback. But just to entertain your notion here, please show me a source where it directly characterizes those bank records as definitively showing Biden receiving kickbacks.

    You can look up Michael Coudry who posted the records. Leaked transaction and bank records indicate an influx of large payments from Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings Limited to Rosemont Seneca Bohai LLC, in what appears to be monthly payments of $83,333.33. Rosemont Seneca Bohai LLC is owned and operated by Devon Archer, the Kerry Family including John Kerry Senior, John Kerry Junior, Heinz Jr and Hunter Biden. All of whom are also listed as partners in the Rosemont Seneca Fund and other affiliated Rosemont Seneca companies. BURISMA HOLDINGS LIMITED, during a period from November 18th 2014 to November 16th 2015 transacted 45 money transfers through MORGAN STANLEY SMITH BARNEY LLC in the sum of $3.5M dollars.

    According to Who/Whom?…showing him with a Republican approval rating of 84 percent according to a Monmouth University Poll, or at 88 percent according to an August Fox News poll

    According to Trump naturally. But even if instead it truly is 84% or 88%, you are spinning a fantasy if you tell us the Senate is going to do anything other than acquit Trump. You aren’t going to find 20-25 Republican senators willing to commit political suicide. You do realize Trump gets lawyers to fight his case in a Senate trial, right? Zelensky will be called to testify, and so will Adam Schiff. Schiff has already been caught lying during the impeachment hearings, you really think he wants to go under oath during a Senate trial?

    Abramson has taken sourced material that is accurate and has been fact checked. There is no “conspiracy” here on his part, just the blending of stories from journalists in the United States and overseas. That is why is called “curatorial journalism”. Please educate yourself.

    I didn’t write that review. A very unhappy Amazon customer wrote that review. If you think that reviewer should educate himself, go right ahead and post a comment on his review. Here is some of the text of the review again to help you find it…

    That was the point where my stomach turned and I started to see the book for the conspiracy theory that it is. I had already promised myself that I would accept the Mueller report regardless of it’s findings. When the Mueller report came out, while not exonerating by a long shot, it most interestingly cast extreme doubt on the house of cards Seth had built, and burned many if not most of the strings he used to connect points together.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  126. @Corvinus

    “that company just happened to be the only one with the son of a political rival on its board”

    THAT is precisely what made that “only” company the only one which was relevant. Your sad attempt to re-frame the whole issue to appear otherwise is either the result of long-term SJW hypnosis or a steady diet of lead paint chips.

    To repeat: a sitting Vice President, with Ukraine as his direct portfolio, took an obvious family bribe from a Ukraine company (whether in its own interests or as a cats-paw, who knows), then, when flashlights started flitting about, this same Vice President, with the direct approval of the sitting President (which he openly gloated about on video) used United States diplomatic muscle, threats, and bribes to avert Ukraine legal scrutiny over the company /which had bribed him through his family/.

    Ordinarily this sort of skullduggery is just your average daily dirty pool which they all do. But this man is /running for president/. The fact that a top-tier presidential candidate publicly brags about his gleeful participation in this sort of very dangerous sewage is a relevant national security concern, (it also goes to character, as it were) and falls easily under the discretion of any sitting president to investigate. The President has broad powers to conduct foreign policy with wide discretion, and is entitled to not be second-guessed at every turn by mid-level partisan stooges cloaking their obvious partisan insubordination as “whistleblowers”. When one considers just how much bogus convenient personally-appointed ‘higher-calling’ “Resistance” the sitting president has encountered from State and other erstwhile subordinates,the use of any back channels the president wishes to employ is entirely understandable and entirely in the game.

    The whole thing is ridiculous on its face.

    Biden is not merely a “personal political rival.” Biden is potentially the next president of the United States. When you get that far up the food chain, you are no longer entitled to squeal like a little girl.

    And yes, this is obvious election nullification. Any middle-school chess club nerd could connect these dots. The Russia myth fizzled and lo and behold, more process-crime bullish!t appears right on cue.

    And no, you have refuted nothing.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  127. Corvinus says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “THAT is precisely what made that “only” company the only one which was relevant. Your sad attempt to re-frame the whole issue to appear otherwise is either the result of long-term SJW hypnosis or a steady diet of lead paint chips.”

    The only one reframing the issue is you. There is other than a valid claim that investigating one Ukrainian company equated to to Ukraine “fighting overall corruption”. Supposedly, Trump sought to assist the Ukrainian government in this endeavor…so long as it was the company of his choosing.

    “To repeat: a sitting Vice President, with Ukraine as his direct portfolio, took an obvious family bribe from a Ukraine company (whether in its own interests or as a cats-paw, who knows), then, when flashlights started flitting about, this same Vice President, with the direct approval of the sitting President (which he openly gloated about on video) used United States diplomatic muscle, threats, and bribes to avert Ukraine legal scrutiny over the company /which had bribed him through his family/.”

    You are touting a false equivalence here. There were allegations of “bribery”, which were found to be other than accurate. Assuredly, there are moral implications here regarding the Bidens involvement in Ukraine, but no smoking gun. On the other hand, Trump lean on a foreign president to launch two spurious investigations in order to hurt political rivals, offering the services of the U.S. Department of Justice for the purpose.

    “Ordinarily this sort of skullduggery is just your average daily dirty pool which they all do.”

    No. As I correctly stated, Trump’s actions as a sitting president is patently irregular. There are no indications that Hunter Biden’s activities swayed any decision his father made as vice president. The United States and dozens of Western governments, along with Ukrainian and international pro-democracy activists, pressured Ukraine’s fledgling post-Yanukovych president to remove a public prosecutor because of his links to corruptive influences.

    “The fact that a top-tier presidential candidate publicly brags about his gleeful participation in this sort of very dangerous sewage is a relevant national security concern, (it also goes to character, as it were) and falls easily under the discretion of any sitting president to investigate.”

    Biden? Top tier? LOL. He’s a buffoon. Regardless, the proper, legal way for this investigation to occur is to have the Department of State and/or Department of Justice through their own channels conduct the heavy lifting, rather than a personal lawyer with his own questionable ties.

    “The President has broad powers to conduct foreign policy with wide discretion, and is entitled to not be second-guessed at every turn by mid-level partisan stooges cloaking their obvious partisan insubordination as “whistleblowers”.”

    That would be Fake News on your part. There is nothing exculpatory about Trump demanding an announcement of an investigation rather than caring if an investigation ever occurred or how long it took. However, Sondland, Volker, Mulvaney and others absolutely knew that what they were doing was completely off the reservation. Sondland surely realizes the reason no one filled him in on Trump mentioning Biden to Zelensky is because he was NOT to be part of any official Ukraine channel.

    Interesting that Sondland today testified under oath that he could offer even more insight if Trump and Pompeo would let him have his notes. So why are Trump and Pompeo blocking accurate testimony?

    “And yes, this is obvious election nullification.”

    No, it is not. You have to wonder that this morning Devin Nunes promised America it would be Democrats who would be “smearing Sondland”, and now that he has offered unwavering testimony, it is Nunes who is up to his no good tricks.

  128. Corvinus says:
    @Precious

    “Biden will have every opportunity to defend himself at trial.”

    Except the Ukrainian prosecutor stated there was no illegal activity.

    “What is patently irregular is State Department officials refusing to obey the President’s orders, so to resolve the situation Trump went around them.”

    What specific orders did they disobey? Who in particular?

    “Wrong again, I am accurate. Bank records were posted a few days ago.”

    Allegedly indicating malfeasance from a “news network”. The money has been reportedly to have come from a slush fund. In other words, it is a claim, not a fact. According to current and former employees, as well as internal e-mails, the powers that be at OANN is directed to push Trump’s candidacy, minimize coverage of Russian aggression, and steer away from the new president’s troubles. In other words, there is major credibility issues.

    https://www.oann.com/new-documents-allege-millions-went-to-bidens-and-kerrys-firm/

    “Manafort was Trump’s fake campaign manager.”

    LOL, no. He chaired the Trump Presidential campaign team from June to August 2016. Try again.

    “According to Trump naturally. But even if instead it truly is 84% or 88%…”

    Backtracking I see. Smart on your end to recognize you got caught.

    “You do realize Trump gets lawyers to fight his case in a Senate trial, right? Zelensky will be called to testify, and so will Adam Schiff.”

    Awesome.

    “Schiff has already been caught lying during the impeachment hearings, you really think he wants to go under oath during a Senate trial?”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “I didn’t write that review.”

    Of course you didn’t. Regardless, I properly described what is curatorial journalism and educated you in the process, since you were so adamant that this “reviewer” was accurate.

    • Replies: @Precious
  129. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    Except the Ukrainian prosecutor stated there was no illegal activity…Allegedly indicating malfeasance from a “news network”…the powers that be at OANN…there is major credibility issues.

    ^Too stupid to check Ukraine news today, and too stupid to check the bank records. An indictment drawn up by Ukraine’s Office of the Prosecutor General against Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevsky claims that Hunter Biden and his partners…The son of Vice-President Joe Biden was receiving payment for his services, with money raised through criminal means and money laundering,” he then said, adding “Biden received money that did not come from the company’s successful operation but rather from money stolen from citizens.

    What specific orders did they disobey? Who in particular?

    Vindman and Yovanovitch and they refused to implement Trump’s foreign policy changes.

    LOL, no. He chaired the Trump Presidential campaign team from June to August 2016. Try again.

    Wrong, he never chaired the campaign team. That was Jared Kushner. Trump hired Manafort as fake campaign manager, but didn’t tell him that was his actual job. Manafort was a spy and saboteur, so Trump fed him lies that he knew would get back to McCain, Romney and whoever else.

    Backtracking I see. Smart on your end to recognize you got caught.

    Wrong again, there is plenty of opinion on which number is the most accurate. And I am much smarter than you are.

    According to Who/Whom?

    According to Adam Schiff himself. He claims not to know who the whistle blower is and then puts out a transcript where he forgets to redact the whistle blower’s name.

    Of course you didn’t. Regardless, I properly described what is curatorial journalism and educated you in the process, since you were so adamant that this “reviewer” was accurate.

    I said the review was interesting. Just one more mistaken assumption on your part. You have yet to show the reviewer was inaccurate. The Mueller report proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump did not collude with Russia, and when you inevitably claim otherwise, I will refute you by quoting the report.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  130. Corvinus says:
    @Precious

    The indictment is a CLAIM, not proof, from a dubious source. Besides, the alleged payments Biden received was NOT directly secured by Biden through illicit means. Rather, it was supposedly the doing of the Ukrainian company itself, which then used those funds to pay Biden. He did not engage in any “stealing of money from citizens”.

    Vindman and Yovanovitch were not obligated to adhere to Trump’s demand that President Zelenskyy open up investigations of Biden since it was other than the proper time, place, and venue.

    Manafort was the campaign chairperson. If you want to insist he was a “fake campaign manager”, that is strange prerogative. Now, if you are going to accuse Manafort of “being a spy and saboteur, so Trump fed him lies that he knew would get back to McCain, Romney and whoever else”, then offer up the requisite proof here or retract your statement.

    “He claims not to know who the whistle blower is and then puts out a transcript where he forgets to redact the whistle blower’s name.”

    Sources, please. And why would Schiff say to the world he has “lied” and thus demands to be a witness at the Senate trial?

    “I said the review was interesting.”

    No. You tried to make a point that was refuted, and then you backtracked. You’re really not that bright.

    • Replies: @Precious
  131. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    The indictment is a CLAIM, not proof, from a dubious source…He did not engage in any “stealing of money from citizens”.

    We have more evidence on Hunter Biden’s criminality than any crime committed by Trump. We will see how it plays out. I am looking forward to Biden’s trial.

    Vindman and Yovanovitch were not obligated to adhere to Trump’s demand

    Wrong, they work for the State Department and the State Department answers to the President of the United States. They can choose to obey lawful orders or they can resign. That they chose a third path is not going to end well for them.

    Manafort was the campaign chairperson. If you want to insist he was a “fake campaign manager”,

    You can insist Manafort was the campaign chairperson all you want, that simply means you were fooled by Trump just like almost everyone else. Jared Kushner was the real campaign chairperson. Trump ran his campaign as a counterintelligence operation.

    Now, if you are going to accuse Manafort of “being a spy and saboteur, so Trump fed him lies that he knew would get back to McCain, Romney and whoever else”, then offer up the requisite proof here

    Spies and saboteurs are a constant presence in political campaigns. Manafort was a slime ball long before Trump hired him, and Trump knew that. Trump practices misdirection as taught by Sun Tzu all the time. If you want more details, read Bannon’s book.

    Sources, please. And why would Schiff say to the world he has “lied” and thus demands to be a witness at the Senate trial?

    ^Strawman argument. I said Schiff doesn’t want to be called as a witness to Senate trial. If you watch the videos you will see Schiff claim he doesn’t know who the whistle blower is. If you read the transcripts you will see he must know who the whistle blower is because he names the whistle blower in the transcript. Someone forgot to redact that part.

    You tried to make a point that was refuted

    Wrong, I refuted the point you were trying to make.

    and then you backtracked

    ^What you did.

    You’re really not that bright.

    ^Projection. I am much smarter than you are.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  132. Corvinus says:
    @Precious

    There is only a claim by a dubious source that alleges Biden’s criminality, where we have several eyewitness accounts of Trump’s malfeasance, including a man (Sondland) who prior to his testimony was viewed by Republicans and Trump (who put him into that position) as being forthright and diligent. Then (poof), Sondland is viewed as a member of the Deep State by the very people who trusted his opinions. That is irrational. Besides, Trump has a credibility problem as he repeatedly lies. Moreover, the “orders” were other than lawful, thus the necessity to bring to light Trump’s conduct.

    You really aren’t that bright.

    “I am looking forward to Biden’s trial.”

    Bet you a sawbuck that it doesn’t see the light of day.

    “Manafort was a slime ball long before Trump hired him, and Trump knew that”.

    Indeed, Manafort was sleazy, and served Trump’s purposes well. Again, if you are going to accuse Manafort of “being a spy and saboteur, so Trump fed him lies that he knew would get back to McCain, Romney and whoever else”, then offer up the requisite proof here or retract your statement.

    “Trump practices misdirection as taught by Sun Tzu all the time.”

    Indeed, at the expense of our nation.

    “If you want more details, read Bannon’s book.”

    Bannon acknowledges the work of Manafort as Trump’s actual chairperson of the campaign team.

  133. Precious says:

    There is only a claim by a dubious source that alleges Biden’s criminality

    We will see how the trial for Nikolai Zlochevsky goes.

    where we have several eyewitness accounts of Trump’s malfeasance, including a man (Sondland) who prior to his testimony was viewed by Republicans and Trump (who put him into that position) as being forthright and diligent.

    There are zero eyewitness accounts of Trump’s malfeasance. Sondland told a good story about a quid pro quo, but when they asked him if Trump actually told him that was what he wanted, Sondland admitted no. That whole story was just Sondland’s assumption.

    Besides, Trump has a credibility problem as he repeatedly lies. Moreover, the “orders” were other than lawful, thus the necessity to bring to light Trump’s conduct.

    Trump only lies to his enemies, who are the enemies of the American people. The rest of the time he exaggerates, trolls and uses hyperbole. And you are wrong, Trump’s orders to the State Department were lawful.

    You really aren’t that bright.

    ^Projection. I am much smarter than you are.

    Bet you a sawbuck that it doesn’t see the light of day.

    I will bet you twenty sawbucks Hunter Biden gets charged. I am not as confident about Joe Biden because he really looks to be in rapid declining health.

    Again, if you are going to accuse Manafort of “being a spy and saboteur, so Trump fed him lies that he knew would get back to McCain, Romney and whoever else”, then offer up the requisite proof here or retract your statement…Bannon acknowledges the work of Manafort as Trump’s actual chairperson of the campaign team.

    And if you read his book you see who Bannon advises and looks to as the campaign decision maker. It isn’t Corey Lewandowski, it isn’t Paul Manafort, and it isn’t Kellyanne Conway. It is the real chairperson of the campaign team, Jared Kushner. The other three were each hired for different reasons to be the fake campaign manager…Manafort was hired to feed misinformation to Trump’s enemies.

    Indeed, at the expense of our nation.

    Maybe at the expense of your nation, but the American nation enjoys winning with Trump, and we aren’t tired of winning yet.

  134. Ganderson says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The football program is … errr…a work in progress

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