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Maybe there are anti-gravity machines inside the invisible backpacks? White men are always culturally appropriating by inventing stuff, so maybe they stole the idea for an anti-gravity device?

 
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  1. Hate Hoaxes pay well. JCC receives $200,000 to improve security That money got approved fast.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I never would have predicted this, but the Forward actually seems to be eating some crow:

    http://forward.com/opinion/367161/how-jewish-groups-are-perpetuating-a-myth-about-trump-and-anti-semitism/

    http://forward.com/opinion/366818/who-you-callin-anti-semite-reserve-the-term-for-the-worst-offenders/
  2. OT, but I thought you might find it amusing. A liar lying that reality is a lie:

    Rachel Dolezal: ‘The idea of race is a lie’

    • Replies: @donut
    That poor woman .
    , @SFG
    Well, she actually did practice what she preached in this case. She thought she was black, so she acted like it.
  3. @Randal
    OT, but I thought you might find it amusing. A liar lying that reality is a lie:

    Rachel Dolezal: 'The idea of race is a lie'

    That poor woman .

    • Replies: @Randal
    Almost everything about the situation says no sympathy: she brought it all on herself by being dishonest, she betrayed her own people and continues to do so, she has no remorse for what she did and for the attitudes she continues to promote.

    And yet she is such a pathetic defeated character that it is hard not to feel human sympathy for her. At least, until she starts getting media positions and book offers to push more of the propaganda that led to her being where she is.

    And that is the only reason for being sorry for her - in the end she is just another victim of the anti-white, black victimhood/glorification propaganda that pervades our societies. She isn't the first and she won't be the last to come a cropper by believing all that dishonest nonsense.

    , @donut
    And yet I feel some sympathy for her .
    , @Curle
    The narrative giveth and the narrative taketh away.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    It seems very unfair that that Jenner chap can put on a dress, call himself a woman, and woe betide anyone who disagrees, but poor Rachel's corkscrew hair and sincere belief that she's black make her an object of ridicule.

    In a fair world they would both be objects of curiosity and pity, with maybe a side of ridicule (though I personally would not mock the afflicted).
  4. @Anon87
    Hate Hoaxes pay well. JCC receives $200,000 to improve security That money got approved fast.
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Not really. Bethany Mandel is what passes for the house conservative at the Forverts. Kinda like Douthat at the Grey Hag. The overwhelming majority at the Forverts is taking the Jewish anti -semite line. Beinart has always been relatively principled for a lib, so not great surprise either.
  5. @Randal
    OT, but I thought you might find it amusing. A liar lying that reality is a lie:

    Rachel Dolezal: 'The idea of race is a lie'

    Well, she actually did practice what she preached in this case. She thought she was black, so she acted like it.

  6. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    White folks are indeed privileged. And it’s about time race-ists admitted it.

    Because I’m the only true race-ist, I can clearly see white privilege.

    White people really are privileged with genetic traits that give them an advantage over others in certain areas.

    This privilege was bestowed on whites by evolution and nature. It is genetic. Whites can’t do anything about it since it’s inborn.

    It’s like blacks are privileged when it comes to sprinting, jumping, and punching. No matter how much blacks apologize for their genetic privilege in athletics, they will run faster than others. They can’t help themselves.
    A black guy, upon winning the sprinting competition, can say he’s sorry, mope about about it, and speak in favor of sports-equality. But in the next race, he will beat other races once again due to his genetic privilege that makes him faster than other races.

    Likewise, Ashkenazi Jews are genetically privileged with higher IQ. Evolution made them that way. So, no matter how many times Jews apologize for this genetic privilege/advantage and no matter how badly they may feel about it(or may try to deny it), they are going to outperform gentiles, particularly blacks, in academic endeavors.

    Nature is all about genetic privileges. Just look at birds. They got wings, so they are privileged in flight, something most animals cannot do. Look at fish. They got fins and gills, and that means they are privileged to thrive in water. Even a dumb shark has great advantage over a smart human in water because genetic privilege makes shark master over man.

    Genetic privileging is what nature is all about. Without these natural privileges, organisms wouldn’t have their niche advantages that allow them to survive. Turtles may be slow, but they are privileged with shells that offer them protection. Thus, their chance of survival is improved. A skunk isn’t big or fast, but it is privileged with musk odor that can send predators running. Imagine a ‘progressive’ animal speaking ill of a turtle for its shell-privilege and of a skunk for its stink-privilege.

    Different organisms have different privileges.

    Likewise, different races have different genetic privileges that persist even when social privileges are removed from society.
    Sometimes, social privileges and genetic privileges may be aligned. Suppose there is a social law in America that says ONLY BLACKS can play in NBA or NFL. So, blacks would be socially privileged in sports and totally monopolize both sports. But suppose other races denounce this privilege and call for end of such privileges. But will the change of policy really change the sports scene all that much? NO, because black genetic privilege in sports will remain despite the removal of social privilege. So, even as some whites who are exceptionally good might make it into NBA and NFL, both leagues will remain predominantly black, and there is fat chance of Asian, Mexican, Hindu, or Arab getting in.

    This is the problem with blacks and academics. It is true that blacks were effectively denied entry into many intellectual institutions that once socially privileged whites. But even once those social privileges were removed, white genetic privilege in brain power remained effectively in play.
    In contrast, the removal of social privilege for whites in sports had a huge impact since blacks have natural genetic privilege in athletics. So, change in social policy led to huge changes in sports based on biological factors.

    If people understood the concept of social privilege vs genetic privilege better, they wouldn’t be so confused and partial to PC.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Autochthon

    [T]hey will run faster than others.
     
    Paula Radcliffe never got the memo.

    Come to that, excepting Kenyans, one can bet on a European every time at distance, and humans of all races are terrible sprinters.

    (To be fair, earlier in your comment you specified sprinting; I confess a compulsion to defend the astounding achievements of the indomitable Ms. Radcliffe whenever anyone goes on about how all the fastest runners are Negroes.)
    , @KFC
    White folks are indeed privileged

    Privilege does not mean advantage per se. It means that the law benefits someone in a way that it does not benefit others. It's Latin for "private law". So if anyone is truly privileged it's anyone but white men in the USA.
  7. What are the invisible advantages actually supposed to be? I, for one, have never been able to make them out…

    • Replies: @Melendwyr
    Basically, you're free of the prejudices that people supposedly apply to non-white people. Except Asians. They suffer under the reputation for being good at math, which is a horrible burden for those who are not.
  8. Privilege in a knapsack. Is that what that girl was carrying around in Rockville? No wonder the principle is so upset with her.

  9. “white privilege” -> systematic psychological abuse of white children by media / academia

    • Agree: Desiderius
  10. @Chrisnonymous
    What are the invisible advantages actually supposed to be? I, for one, have never been able to make them out...

    Basically, you’re free of the prejudices that people supposedly apply to non-white people. Except Asians. They suffer under the reputation for being good at math, which is a horrible burden for those who are not.

  11. Your invisible backpack is filled with invisible treats – delicious but low calorie organic energy bars, vitamin water, admission tickets to Harvard, get out of jail cards giving you the right to steal cigarillos and grab for a police officer’s gun without getting shot. Every white person is issued this invisible backpack at birth. When you “check your privilege” that means you give this invisible backpack to the invisible coat check person.

  12. An invisible knapsack. Hmm…

    Please don’t make me take The Emperor’s New Clothes out of the wardrobe again. I’ve worn them threadbare, invisible holes and all.

    An invisible knapsack full of privilege — I prefer to think of it as a heavy backpack with all my white, Gentile goodies. I even packed some milk. Being invisible, such a thing would make one walk funny without people understanding why; they would think one is dragging for no good reason.

    An invisible burden can be a terrible thing. People with visible challenges receive understanding and even help, while those whose difficulties reside inside lucky-looking exteriors just have to suck it up.

    The grass is always greener when the divots are stuffed into the other guy’s knapsack — and when it’s invisible you can’t even tell if it’s actually green; people just assume it is. That sucks when you’re carrying around a bunch of thornbushes.

  13. eD says:

    This is totally off topic. Though in my defense, I honestly can’t figure out what the topic is here.

    Anyway, can anyone spot what is messed up in this news item?

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/us/refugees-jobs-drug-testing/index.html

    Its a really weird twist on the can’t find skilled Americans/ crops rotting in the fields stories we keep getting treated to.

    • Replies: @donut
    What could possibly be the topic on any Steve Sailer post except outrage , tragedy and the insanity of our hurtling headlong towards the abyss ? We can apply no brake on our rush to destruction we can only comment on it . And post some great music videos .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6WTtT8iUl0
    , @Autochthon
    Cleverly played: Disenfranchise and persecute natives of European stock until purposeless despair inflates their susceptibility to addiction, then use those addictions as pretexts to further disenfranchise and persecute them.

    Ironically, Josef Mengele would be proud.
    , @anon
    the oligarchs who own the media want cheaper labor

    so the media lies to the public
  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I thought all of this invisible knapsack nonsense fell out of style after the 90s were over.

    The more ridiculous and further from reality its gotten, the more white privilege has become a colossal beast and the more oppressed minorities are claimed to be.

    Nowadays its supposed to be that whites are swimming in a vast ocean of privilege and blacks and other minorities are in a tidal wave of despair and misery. Surely you couldn’t pack all of that in a knapsack, invisible or not.

  15. The “invisible Backpack” is full of the white man’s burden.

  16. @donut
    That poor woman .

    Almost everything about the situation says no sympathy: she brought it all on herself by being dishonest, she betrayed her own people and continues to do so, she has no remorse for what she did and for the attitudes she continues to promote.

    And yet she is such a pathetic defeated character that it is hard not to feel human sympathy for her. At least, until she starts getting media positions and book offers to push more of the propaganda that led to her being where she is.

    And that is the only reason for being sorry for her – in the end she is just another victim of the anti-white, black victimhood/glorification propaganda that pervades our societies. She isn’t the first and she won’t be the last to come a cropper by believing all that dishonest nonsense.

  17. I just want to thank you for making me guffaw aloud after a painful day. Many thanks for all the good work you do, sir.

  18. @eD
    This is totally off topic. Though in my defense, I honestly can't figure out what the topic is here.

    Anyway, can anyone spot what is messed up in this news item?

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/us/refugees-jobs-drug-testing/index.html

    Its a really weird twist on the can't find skilled Americans/ crops rotting in the fields stories we keep getting treated to.

    What could possibly be the topic on any Steve Sailer post except outrage , tragedy and the insanity of our hurtling headlong towards the abyss ? We can apply no brake on our rush to destruction we can only comment on it . And post some great music videos .

  19. Meanwhile, affirmative action is perfectly visible.

    Now I think about it, “it’s invisible but it’s totally there, trust us” is much of received wisdom.

    Actually I’m having trouble thinking of anything at all I’m supposed to believe that I can just point at and go “there it is”.

    Hmmm maybe that means something.

  20. Maybe there are anti-gravity machines inside the invisible backpacks?

    Knapsack, not backpack.

    knap·sack
    [ˈnapˌsak]
    NOUN
    a bag with shoulder straps, carried on the back, and typically made of canvas or other weatherproof material.
    synonyms: backpack · rucksack · haversack · pack · kit bag
    ORIGIN
    early 17th cent.: from Middle Low German, from Dutch knapzack, probably from German knappen ‘to bite’ + zak ‘sack.’

    More evidence that we’re all secretly Nazi vampires who feed on black bodies. We make them invisible so blacks don’t catch on.

  21. @donut
    That poor woman .

    And yet I feel some sympathy for her .

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    And yet I feel some sympathy for her.
     
    Do you have sympathy for Typhoid Mary too? Lie down until your feeling subsides.
  22. @Anon
    White folks are indeed privileged. And it's about time race-ists admitted it.

    Because I'm the only true race-ist, I can clearly see white privilege.

    White people really are privileged with genetic traits that give them an advantage over others in certain areas.

    This privilege was bestowed on whites by evolution and nature. It is genetic. Whites can't do anything about it since it's inborn.

    It's like blacks are privileged when it comes to sprinting, jumping, and punching. No matter how much blacks apologize for their genetic privilege in athletics, they will run faster than others. They can't help themselves.
    A black guy, upon winning the sprinting competition, can say he's sorry, mope about about it, and speak in favor of sports-equality. But in the next race, he will beat other races once again due to his genetic privilege that makes him faster than other races.

    Likewise, Ashkenazi Jews are genetically privileged with higher IQ. Evolution made them that way. So, no matter how many times Jews apologize for this genetic privilege/advantage and no matter how badly they may feel about it(or may try to deny it), they are going to outperform gentiles, particularly blacks, in academic endeavors.

    Nature is all about genetic privileges. Just look at birds. They got wings, so they are privileged in flight, something most animals cannot do. Look at fish. They got fins and gills, and that means they are privileged to thrive in water. Even a dumb shark has great advantage over a smart human in water because genetic privilege makes shark master over man.

    Genetic privileging is what nature is all about. Without these natural privileges, organisms wouldn't have their niche advantages that allow them to survive. Turtles may be slow, but they are privileged with shells that offer them protection. Thus, their chance of survival is improved. A skunk isn't big or fast, but it is privileged with musk odor that can send predators running. Imagine a 'progressive' animal speaking ill of a turtle for its shell-privilege and of a skunk for its stink-privilege.

    Different organisms have different privileges.

    Likewise, different races have different genetic privileges that persist even when social privileges are removed from society.
    Sometimes, social privileges and genetic privileges may be aligned. Suppose there is a social law in America that says ONLY BLACKS can play in NBA or NFL. So, blacks would be socially privileged in sports and totally monopolize both sports. But suppose other races denounce this privilege and call for end of such privileges. But will the change of policy really change the sports scene all that much? NO, because black genetic privilege in sports will remain despite the removal of social privilege. So, even as some whites who are exceptionally good might make it into NBA and NFL, both leagues will remain predominantly black, and there is fat chance of Asian, Mexican, Hindu, or Arab getting in.

    This is the problem with blacks and academics. It is true that blacks were effectively denied entry into many intellectual institutions that once socially privileged whites. But even once those social privileges were removed, white genetic privilege in brain power remained effectively in play.
    In contrast, the removal of social privilege for whites in sports had a huge impact since blacks have natural genetic privilege in athletics. So, change in social policy led to huge changes in sports based on biological factors.

    If people understood the concept of social privilege vs genetic privilege better, they wouldn't be so confused and partial to PC.

    [T]hey will run faster than others.

    Paula Radcliffe never got the memo.

    Come to that, excepting Kenyans, one can bet on a European every time at distance, and humans of all races are terrible sprinters.

    (To be fair, earlier in your comment you specified sprinting; I confess a compulsion to defend the astounding achievements of the indomitable Ms. Radcliffe whenever anyone goes on about how all the fastest runners are Negroes.)

    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
    Excepting Kenyans, and Ethiopians, and North Africans, and Japanese women, then one can bet every time on the white European in distance.
  23. Like all Leftist propaganda the white privilege nonsense is cover for what truly exists: Leftist Privilege, which means you, as a Leftist, have no obligation to be accountable for the destruction that your public policies produce (cf. welfare, war on poverty, environmental extremism, Obama ‘care’, social ‘justice’, open borders, education-industrial complex, feminist supremacy, transgender confusion, etc.)

    But hey, you have your 1984 playbook, and running the plays in it ensure our glorious Soviet future (cf. Venezuela).

    Where is Corvinus when I need a dishonest Leftist to flog?

  24. @eD
    This is totally off topic. Though in my defense, I honestly can't figure out what the topic is here.

    Anyway, can anyone spot what is messed up in this news item?

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/us/refugees-jobs-drug-testing/index.html

    Its a really weird twist on the can't find skilled Americans/ crops rotting in the fields stories we keep getting treated to.

    Cleverly played: Disenfranchise and persecute natives of European stock until purposeless despair inflates their susceptibility to addiction, then use those addictions as pretexts to further disenfranchise and persecute them.

    Ironically, Josef Mengele would be proud.

  25. @donut
    And yet I feel some sympathy for her .

    And yet I feel some sympathy for her.

    Do you have sympathy for Typhoid Mary too? Lie down until your feeling subsides.

    • Replies: @Jack Ketch
    She was raised by nutty parents who beat their white children while lavishing praise and affection on their adopted black children. How would you have fared with such an upbringing?
    , @donut
    "Do you have sympathy for Typhoid Mary too?" I have sympathy for Adolph Hitler . I have sympathy for every driven tormented soul . I guess my great failing is that I have no sympathy for smug , self righteous persons who are lost in the zombie swamp .
  26. “…..not seeing something that is invisible.” Are cloaking devices a thing now?

  27. Was Sport Billy and his Omni-Sack ever a thing in America?

  28. I love to go a-wandering
    Along the mountain track
    And as I go, I love to sing
    My knapsack on my back!

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=SVcJIMhmGys

  29. This version states the white male privilege more clearly:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=f9Ec8UX1Vzs

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Those guys have been hanging out with Elvis Costello's dad.
  30. Wow, that review was really….something. It’s interesting how much left wing racial activists hate Dolezal, given that according to their blank slate-ist “muh social construct” view of race she is, logically speaking, as black as Michael Brown or Barack Obama. However, the vitriolic reaction to Dolezal makes it clear that basically everyone recognizes that race is a meaningful and at least partially biological concept. She gets extra bonus hate points because the idea of a white person choosing to fraudulently represent herself as black (voting with her feet/census form) casts doubt on the white privilege narrative.

  31. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Can ‘intersectionality’ work without a common enemy or common perceived enemy?

    It seems so many groups within the Diverco or Diversity-Coalition are natural enemies. They have very little in common with one another in terms of race, class, values, education, taste, style, attitude, and etc. And in some cases, they have reasons to seriously hate one another. I mean Jews and Muslims do NOT make good allies. And Jews and blacks have even less in common. And what do Asians and Mexicans have in common? Or Hindus and Africans? Or feminists and trannies? A lot of feminists are not happy with this tranny business.

    Intersectionality means there are cross-sections of shared interests among various different groups(sometimes very different groups). So, what are they when we are dealing with Jews, blacks, homos, trannies, Asians, Mexicans, Muslims, and etc?

    I can’t think of any.

    The ONLY thing they have in common is the Perception of White Evil. It should really be called Distractionality. It is sham-ideological trickery to distract various groups from their own serious divisions & disagreements by Crying Wolf.

  32. @donut
    That poor woman .

    The narrative giveth and the narrative taketh away.

    • Replies: @Travis
    does the narrative still believe race is just a social construct ?
  33. @SFG
    I never would have predicted this, but the Forward actually seems to be eating some crow:

    http://forward.com/opinion/367161/how-jewish-groups-are-perpetuating-a-myth-about-trump-and-anti-semitism/

    http://forward.com/opinion/366818/who-you-callin-anti-semite-reserve-the-term-for-the-worst-offenders/

    Not really. Bethany Mandel is what passes for the house conservative at the Forverts. Kinda like Douthat at the Grey Hag. The overwhelming majority at the Forverts is taking the Jewish anti -semite line. Beinart has always been relatively principled for a lib, so not great surprise either.

  34. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Hate-Whitey politics is weird because it is, in many ways, a closeted & repressed form of Love-Whitey emotics.

    Look at immigration. All these non-whites would hate the idea of moving to non-white nations. They LOVE moving to white nations. Whiter the better. Even when they come to Diverse US, they prefer to make money and settle in white communities. I mean how many are dying to move to South Central or Detroit? And if Diversity is so great, how come most prospective immigrants prefer the US, Canada, and Australia to Latin America?
    If given the choice, non-whites often prefer whites even to their OWN KIND. Hindus prefer to live with whites than with Hindus. Pakistanis prefer to live with whites than with Pakistanis. East Asians prefer to live with whites than with East Asians, despite the success of East Asia. Mexicans prefer to live with whites than with Mexicans. Even when non-whites do have ethnic communities in US, Canada, or Australia, they prefer to live in their enclaves in a white nation than in their own nation. So, better to live in Chinatown in US or Canada than in China. Better to live in Paki-town in London than in Pakistan.

    Also, non-whites have sexual attraction to whites even as they bitch about whitey. All these black guys who bitch about whitey want white women. All those Pakistanis in UK who bitch about Brits want white girls, even by rape. All those Asian women who bitch about evil whitey want white husbands and white-looking kids. All those Latino guys who talk of their pride of mixed blood are always hankering for blondes. Just look at Hugo Chavez. He finally married some blonde bimbo. Pee Wee Bush, the mixed-race kid, got himself a blondie. Tiger Woods got woodies only for the most blonde Nordic types. And Jews got the Portnoy-Boing-Complex.

    So, this Anti-Whitey politics is, at least in part, a lot of noise to drown out the embarrassing fact that these non-white folks really see whiteness as superior and love whiteness more than their own kind features and characteristics. They just don’t want to admit it. So, even though everything they DO is to be nearer to whiteness, much of what they SAY is to mask their sense of inferiority and preference for all things white.

    “You’re awful, you’re evil, and you’re responsible for everything wrong in the world, and I really really hate you. So, will you marry me?”

    • Agree: Thea, TelfoedJohn
    • Replies: @Seneca

    “You’re awful, you’re evil, and you’re responsible for everything wrong in the world, and I really really hate you. So, will you marry me?”
     
    Bingo. Right on the money.
    , @Thea
    Also feminism. If handsome white blond frat boys would marry fat, ugly girls they would shut up.

    is all just based on covetousness. Funny how God was alway right.

  35. Ah butterfudders I’m exhumeded. I’ve been rading all da and filling heevy in mine eyez. Sumtimes I red thins the wrung way n hort my neek. I’m nut even gonna tell uo know moore cooz I’m so excited. But if I catch me a rabbit I won’t name it Steve.

    I’m just kidding Steve. The awful truth is that, if I’m catching your vibe from the right thribe, I was being totally sarcastic about that “at least.” I guess thoughtlessly though. Really how many times have I regaled these fings about ISteve so clever in all seriousness.

    It’s funny though. Just today dad found the first essay I wrote with any effort. 13 years ago I think. (That’s when I did know my Latin at ease, Seton Home Study from my cell. phrases and small words, titles ya know, those remain when they may. Anyways, this essay, the thought flung into my mind: I would have made an ace hack—but for the fact, I found you and knew me was no compete.

    And that’s the truth. And, Norman Podhoretz is right, there are no good books to write about anymore. Cept the Good Book of course. But that’s not between me and the world as the man would say.

    In all honesty I’m signing off for good with my tail between my legs. Ha! I’ll keep checkin in till when. But this body needs to go away for good.

  36. @eD
    This is totally off topic. Though in my defense, I honestly can't figure out what the topic is here.

    Anyway, can anyone spot what is messed up in this news item?

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/us/refugees-jobs-drug-testing/index.html

    Its a really weird twist on the can't find skilled Americans/ crops rotting in the fields stories we keep getting treated to.

    the oligarchs who own the media want cheaper labor

    so the media lies to the public

  37. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    And yet I feel some sympathy for her.
     
    Do you have sympathy for Typhoid Mary too? Lie down until your feeling subsides.

    She was raised by nutty parents who beat their white children while lavishing praise and affection on their adopted black children. How would you have fared with such an upbringing?

  38. @Autochthon

    [T]hey will run faster than others.
     
    Paula Radcliffe never got the memo.

    Come to that, excepting Kenyans, one can bet on a European every time at distance, and humans of all races are terrible sprinters.

    (To be fair, earlier in your comment you specified sprinting; I confess a compulsion to defend the astounding achievements of the indomitable Ms. Radcliffe whenever anyone goes on about how all the fastest runners are Negroes.)

    Excepting Kenyans, and Ethiopians, and North Africans, and Japanese women, then one can bet every time on the white European in distance.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Didn't pay much attention that day in elementary school when the teacher explained how to read graphs and charts...? Hooky, maybe?

    (Paula Radcliffe-san, Japanese champion from the Bedford prefecture....)

  39. @Anon7
    This version states the white male privilege more clearly:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=f9Ec8UX1Vzs

    Those guys have been hanging out with Elvis Costello’s dad.

  40. @oddsbodkins
    Excepting Kenyans, and Ethiopians, and North Africans, and Japanese women, then one can bet every time on the white European in distance.

    Didn’t pay much attention that day in elementary school when the teacher explained how to read graphs and charts…? Hooky, maybe?

    (Paula Radcliffe-san, Japanese champion from the Bedford prefecture….)

    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
    Can you read tables? Here are the 10,000 meters top 25 races for men and women:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10,000_metres

    Notice that there are 8 non-Kenyan men faster than the best white European male, who is in 15th place.

    Similarly, there are 6 non-Kenyan women faster than the best white European female (Radcliffe), who is in 9th place.
  41. @Anon
    Hate-Whitey politics is weird because it is, in many ways, a closeted & repressed form of Love-Whitey emotics.

    Look at immigration. All these non-whites would hate the idea of moving to non-white nations. They LOVE moving to white nations. Whiter the better. Even when they come to Diverse US, they prefer to make money and settle in white communities. I mean how many are dying to move to South Central or Detroit? And if Diversity is so great, how come most prospective immigrants prefer the US, Canada, and Australia to Latin America?
    If given the choice, non-whites often prefer whites even to their OWN KIND. Hindus prefer to live with whites than with Hindus. Pakistanis prefer to live with whites than with Pakistanis. East Asians prefer to live with whites than with East Asians, despite the success of East Asia. Mexicans prefer to live with whites than with Mexicans. Even when non-whites do have ethnic communities in US, Canada, or Australia, they prefer to live in their enclaves in a white nation than in their own nation. So, better to live in Chinatown in US or Canada than in China. Better to live in Paki-town in London than in Pakistan.

    Also, non-whites have sexual attraction to whites even as they bitch about whitey. All these black guys who bitch about whitey want white women. All those Pakistanis in UK who bitch about Brits want white girls, even by rape. All those Asian women who bitch about evil whitey want white husbands and white-looking kids. All those Latino guys who talk of their pride of mixed blood are always hankering for blondes. Just look at Hugo Chavez. He finally married some blonde bimbo. Pee Wee Bush, the mixed-race kid, got himself a blondie. Tiger Woods got woodies only for the most blonde Nordic types. And Jews got the Portnoy-Boing-Complex.

    So, this Anti-Whitey politics is, at least in part, a lot of noise to drown out the embarrassing fact that these non-white folks really see whiteness as superior and love whiteness more than their own kind features and characteristics. They just don't want to admit it. So, even though everything they DO is to be nearer to whiteness, much of what they SAY is to mask their sense of inferiority and preference for all things white.

    "You're awful, you're evil, and you're responsible for everything wrong in the world, and I really really hate you. So, will you marry me?"

    “You’re awful, you’re evil, and you’re responsible for everything wrong in the world, and I really really hate you. So, will you marry me?”

    Bingo. Right on the money.

  42. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    And yet I feel some sympathy for her.
     
    Do you have sympathy for Typhoid Mary too? Lie down until your feeling subsides.

    “Do you have sympathy for Typhoid Mary too?” I have sympathy for Adolph Hitler . I have sympathy for every driven tormented soul . I guess my great failing is that I have no sympathy for smug , self righteous persons who are lost in the zombie swamp .

  43. I still don’t understand why the SJWs hate Rachel Dolezal so much. I sense that the article Taranto’s tweet links to just worked backward from a visceral revulsion of some sort.

    Before she was outed, Dolezal was an exemplary type for them: an activist for black rights, a radical college teacher up to date on their nonsense, a serial hate-crime fabricator, an anti-white agitator.

    So I just don’t get it.

    • Replies: @biz

    I still don’t understand why the SJWs hate Rachel Dolezal so much.
     
    Main reason: The example of a white person preferring to live as black for the social and 'coolness' advantages pretty much blows up the idea of white privilege and the narrative that blacks in America lead lives of constant unbearable oppression that white people can never fathom.

    Secondary reason: She was taking up a university lecturer job and a NAACP job and they are mad/jealous about that.

    , @Mr. Anon

    I still don’t understand why the SJWs hate Rachel Dolezal so much.
     
    Because she got caught.
    , @anon

    So I just don’t get it.
     
    She;s a mirror.
  44. @International Jew
    I still don't understand why the SJWs hate Rachel Dolezal so much. I sense that the article Taranto's tweet links to just worked backward from a visceral revulsion of some sort.

    Before she was outed, Dolezal was an exemplary type for them: an activist for black rights, a radical college teacher up to date on their nonsense, a serial hate-crime fabricator, an anti-white agitator.

    So I just don't get it.

    I still don’t understand why the SJWs hate Rachel Dolezal so much.

    Main reason: The example of a white person preferring to live as black for the social and ‘coolness’ advantages pretty much blows up the idea of white privilege and the narrative that blacks in America lead lives of constant unbearable oppression that white people can never fathom.

    Secondary reason: She was taking up a university lecturer job and a NAACP job and they are mad/jealous about that.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Ok, I sorta buy your first reason, makes sense.

    But then, why don't we see push-back against male-to-female trangenders? Aren't we supposed to believe women also suffer from discrimination? Indeed the outrage should be all the stronger when it's very successful men like Bruce Jenner, Robert McCloskey, or iSteve's old MBA classmate that go trans. No?
  45. @Anon
    White folks are indeed privileged. And it's about time race-ists admitted it.

    Because I'm the only true race-ist, I can clearly see white privilege.

    White people really are privileged with genetic traits that give them an advantage over others in certain areas.

    This privilege was bestowed on whites by evolution and nature. It is genetic. Whites can't do anything about it since it's inborn.

    It's like blacks are privileged when it comes to sprinting, jumping, and punching. No matter how much blacks apologize for their genetic privilege in athletics, they will run faster than others. They can't help themselves.
    A black guy, upon winning the sprinting competition, can say he's sorry, mope about about it, and speak in favor of sports-equality. But in the next race, he will beat other races once again due to his genetic privilege that makes him faster than other races.

    Likewise, Ashkenazi Jews are genetically privileged with higher IQ. Evolution made them that way. So, no matter how many times Jews apologize for this genetic privilege/advantage and no matter how badly they may feel about it(or may try to deny it), they are going to outperform gentiles, particularly blacks, in academic endeavors.

    Nature is all about genetic privileges. Just look at birds. They got wings, so they are privileged in flight, something most animals cannot do. Look at fish. They got fins and gills, and that means they are privileged to thrive in water. Even a dumb shark has great advantage over a smart human in water because genetic privilege makes shark master over man.

    Genetic privileging is what nature is all about. Without these natural privileges, organisms wouldn't have their niche advantages that allow them to survive. Turtles may be slow, but they are privileged with shells that offer them protection. Thus, their chance of survival is improved. A skunk isn't big or fast, but it is privileged with musk odor that can send predators running. Imagine a 'progressive' animal speaking ill of a turtle for its shell-privilege and of a skunk for its stink-privilege.

    Different organisms have different privileges.

    Likewise, different races have different genetic privileges that persist even when social privileges are removed from society.
    Sometimes, social privileges and genetic privileges may be aligned. Suppose there is a social law in America that says ONLY BLACKS can play in NBA or NFL. So, blacks would be socially privileged in sports and totally monopolize both sports. But suppose other races denounce this privilege and call for end of such privileges. But will the change of policy really change the sports scene all that much? NO, because black genetic privilege in sports will remain despite the removal of social privilege. So, even as some whites who are exceptionally good might make it into NBA and NFL, both leagues will remain predominantly black, and there is fat chance of Asian, Mexican, Hindu, or Arab getting in.

    This is the problem with blacks and academics. It is true that blacks were effectively denied entry into many intellectual institutions that once socially privileged whites. But even once those social privileges were removed, white genetic privilege in brain power remained effectively in play.
    In contrast, the removal of social privilege for whites in sports had a huge impact since blacks have natural genetic privilege in athletics. So, change in social policy led to huge changes in sports based on biological factors.

    If people understood the concept of social privilege vs genetic privilege better, they wouldn't be so confused and partial to PC.

    White folks are indeed privileged

    Privilege does not mean advantage per se. It means that the law benefits someone in a way that it does not benefit others. It’s Latin for “private law”. So if anyone is truly privileged it’s anyone but white men in the USA.

  46. Why shouldn’t white people be privileged in America – in thier own country built by their ancestors for them? Shouldn’t people enjoy privilege in thier own home?

  47. @International Jew
    I still don't understand why the SJWs hate Rachel Dolezal so much. I sense that the article Taranto's tweet links to just worked backward from a visceral revulsion of some sort.

    Before she was outed, Dolezal was an exemplary type for them: an activist for black rights, a radical college teacher up to date on their nonsense, a serial hate-crime fabricator, an anti-white agitator.

    So I just don't get it.

    I still don’t understand why the SJWs hate Rachel Dolezal so much.

    Because she got caught.

  48. Pack up your privilege,
    In your old knapsack,
    and smile, smile, smile……..

    pack up your troubles in your old kit bag

  49. @donut
    That poor woman .

    It seems very unfair that that Jenner chap can put on a dress, call himself a woman, and woe betide anyone who disagrees, but poor Rachel’s corkscrew hair and sincere belief that she’s black make her an object of ridicule.

    In a fair world they would both be objects of curiosity and pity, with maybe a side of ridicule (though I personally would not mock the afflicted).

  50. @Anon
    Hate-Whitey politics is weird because it is, in many ways, a closeted & repressed form of Love-Whitey emotics.

    Look at immigration. All these non-whites would hate the idea of moving to non-white nations. They LOVE moving to white nations. Whiter the better. Even when they come to Diverse US, they prefer to make money and settle in white communities. I mean how many are dying to move to South Central or Detroit? And if Diversity is so great, how come most prospective immigrants prefer the US, Canada, and Australia to Latin America?
    If given the choice, non-whites often prefer whites even to their OWN KIND. Hindus prefer to live with whites than with Hindus. Pakistanis prefer to live with whites than with Pakistanis. East Asians prefer to live with whites than with East Asians, despite the success of East Asia. Mexicans prefer to live with whites than with Mexicans. Even when non-whites do have ethnic communities in US, Canada, or Australia, they prefer to live in their enclaves in a white nation than in their own nation. So, better to live in Chinatown in US or Canada than in China. Better to live in Paki-town in London than in Pakistan.

    Also, non-whites have sexual attraction to whites even as they bitch about whitey. All these black guys who bitch about whitey want white women. All those Pakistanis in UK who bitch about Brits want white girls, even by rape. All those Asian women who bitch about evil whitey want white husbands and white-looking kids. All those Latino guys who talk of their pride of mixed blood are always hankering for blondes. Just look at Hugo Chavez. He finally married some blonde bimbo. Pee Wee Bush, the mixed-race kid, got himself a blondie. Tiger Woods got woodies only for the most blonde Nordic types. And Jews got the Portnoy-Boing-Complex.

    So, this Anti-Whitey politics is, at least in part, a lot of noise to drown out the embarrassing fact that these non-white folks really see whiteness as superior and love whiteness more than their own kind features and characteristics. They just don't want to admit it. So, even though everything they DO is to be nearer to whiteness, much of what they SAY is to mask their sense of inferiority and preference for all things white.

    "You're awful, you're evil, and you're responsible for everything wrong in the world, and I really really hate you. So, will you marry me?"

    Also feminism. If handsome white blond frat boys would marry fat, ugly girls they would shut up.

    is all just based on covetousness. Funny how God was alway right.

  51. @biz

    I still don’t understand why the SJWs hate Rachel Dolezal so much.
     
    Main reason: The example of a white person preferring to live as black for the social and 'coolness' advantages pretty much blows up the idea of white privilege and the narrative that blacks in America lead lives of constant unbearable oppression that white people can never fathom.

    Secondary reason: She was taking up a university lecturer job and a NAACP job and they are mad/jealous about that.

    Ok, I sorta buy your first reason, makes sense.

    But then, why don’t we see push-back against male-to-female trangenders? Aren’t we supposed to believe women also suffer from discrimination? Indeed the outrage should be all the stronger when it’s very successful men like Bruce Jenner, Robert McCloskey, or iSteve’s old MBA classmate that go trans. No?

    • Replies: @res
    Good question. I think it is because women really aren't that disadvantaged therefore have less need of the quota slots. I think the backlash against transgenders in sport helps validate my point because there women mostly ARE that disadvantaged relative to men and the competition is explicitly segregated.

    Also related is the transgenders provide more examples of high end achievement (the reality of which is not really amenable to quotas) where there may be more disadvantage due to things like smaller IQ SD and childbearing interfering with careers.
    , @biz
    That's a great question. I don't have any answers, but a few ideas:

    1) White women are now seen by state-of-the-art SJWs as primarily part of the power / oppression structure, not as a victim class. Things like 53% of them supposedly voting for Trump, and ones in Cologne and Malmo not sufficiently accommodating Muslim 'cultural differences' and then having the gall to go to the police about it, others always flouting their thin bodies in fashion magazines, and just in general being insufficiently woke. So what's the big deal to SJWs if Bruce Jenner has more fun as one flavor of oppressor than another?

    or

    2) SJWs know that the public at large still views male-to-female transgenders as not quite right in the head deep down inside. So someone like Bruce Jenner thinking that life could be more fun as a female than a male is not actually taken as evidence that maybe upper middle class women in the West don't really have it so bad. SJWs know it'll be seen as just someone being eccentric. A white person preferring to be black though, that throws the whole narrative into doubt.
    , @John Chard
    There actually are some very fringe feminists who hate male-to-female transgenders for this reason. I agree that the contradiction is puzzling; Google search "Rachel Dolezal Caitlin Jenner" and the articles about why they're different tend to end up tying themselves in knots.
  52. “Invisible knapsack” used in that particular sense appears to originate with Wellesley professor of Women’s Studies Peggy McIntosh

    “White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack” first appeared in Peace and Freedom Magazine, July/August, 1989, pp. 10-12, a publication of the Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom [a Soviet front group].

    https://nationalseedproject.org/white-privilege-unpacking-the-invisible-knapsack

    McIntosh started the National Seed Foundation, which is funded by local tax dollars and (of course) large foundations:

    Since SEED’s founding, more than 2,200 K-16 teachers from 42 U.S. states and 15 other countries have become SEED seminar facilitators. In total, SEED seminars have engaged over 30,000 teachers to date, who in turn have influenced more than 30 million students and helped them experience greater equity and diversity in their curriculum, communities, and campuses — in public schools, private schools, and English-speaking international schools.

    https://nationalseedproject.org/about-us/history

  53. This is the beginning of a trend. Just as 20 years from now the feminist movement will be led by trans-women who will use their superior strength and aggression to dominate their cis-women colleagues, so by then the black activist movement will be similarly led by trans-blacks, who will use their superior intelligence to similarly dominate and control their cis-black allies.

  54. @International Jew
    Ok, I sorta buy your first reason, makes sense.

    But then, why don't we see push-back against male-to-female trangenders? Aren't we supposed to believe women also suffer from discrimination? Indeed the outrage should be all the stronger when it's very successful men like Bruce Jenner, Robert McCloskey, or iSteve's old MBA classmate that go trans. No?

    Good question. I think it is because women really aren’t that disadvantaged therefore have less need of the quota slots. I think the backlash against transgenders in sport helps validate my point because there women mostly ARE that disadvantaged relative to men and the competition is explicitly segregated.

    Also related is the transgenders provide more examples of high end achievement (the reality of which is not really amenable to quotas) where there may be more disadvantage due to things like smaller IQ SD and childbearing interfering with careers.

  55. @International Jew
    Ok, I sorta buy your first reason, makes sense.

    But then, why don't we see push-back against male-to-female trangenders? Aren't we supposed to believe women also suffer from discrimination? Indeed the outrage should be all the stronger when it's very successful men like Bruce Jenner, Robert McCloskey, or iSteve's old MBA classmate that go trans. No?

    That’s a great question. I don’t have any answers, but a few ideas:

    1) White women are now seen by state-of-the-art SJWs as primarily part of the power / oppression structure, not as a victim class. Things like 53% of them supposedly voting for Trump, and ones in Cologne and Malmo not sufficiently accommodating Muslim ‘cultural differences’ and then having the gall to go to the police about it, others always flouting their thin bodies in fashion magazines, and just in general being insufficiently woke. So what’s the big deal to SJWs if Bruce Jenner has more fun as one flavor of oppressor than another?

    or

    2) SJWs know that the public at large still views male-to-female transgenders as not quite right in the head deep down inside. So someone like Bruce Jenner thinking that life could be more fun as a female than a male is not actually taken as evidence that maybe upper middle class women in the West don’t really have it so bad. SJWs know it’ll be seen as just someone being eccentric. A white person preferring to be black though, that throws the whole narrative into doubt.

    • Replies: @Seneca
    Those two reasons sound plausible, but I wonder if it might be

    3) Because the narrative might argue that transgender men like Bruce Jenner are victims who because of the patriarchy were not able to get in touch with their true feminine side as children and had to suffer almost all their life as the wrong gender. They were forced to identify as women because of the evil patriarchy.

    It is only after they succeeded in their false identity as a male pushed on them by the evil patriarchy that they could now relax and embrace their true identity as a female.

    So they are now both victims and courageous opponents of the patriarchy.

    They are a reverse Rachael Dolezal because the transgender men embrace the weak victim role of being woman only after they sadly had to pass as men.

    If Rachel Doleazal had the same dynamics and Pokemon SJW points as the transgender men she would be an actual Black person ( with some actual Black parentage) who forced herself to act White and then discovered her "roots" and embraced her Black identity later in life.
  56. @International Jew
    I still don't understand why the SJWs hate Rachel Dolezal so much. I sense that the article Taranto's tweet links to just worked backward from a visceral revulsion of some sort.

    Before she was outed, Dolezal was an exemplary type for them: an activist for black rights, a radical college teacher up to date on their nonsense, a serial hate-crime fabricator, an anti-white agitator.

    So I just don't get it.

    So I just don’t get it.

    She;s a mirror.

  57. You guys need to stop getting all defensive about your white privilege. A society built by white Europeans will of course be built to suit white Europeans, not Arabs or Africans. Just like a society built by Han Chinese is going to suit Han Chinese, not the Inuit. Just like I built a bookshelf to suit my academic book collection, not my nephew’s comic books. This is “no duh” kind of stuff. The Leftist discourse on privilege is designed to subvert what was once considered normal because that’s what the Left does: subvert norms, cuz it gives them the good feels.

    Of course, some norms need subverting. Blacks were right to subvert the norm of white privilege because they’ve been building this country alongside whites since 1600 and not getting much in return. In contrast, when Arabs, Asians, and Mexicans come here of their own accord then complain that America isn’t suited to them, and whites should change things to suit them, well, that’s just invasion and occupation.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Yes and no. They've contributed since before the founding, and have every claim to equal opportunity (whereas the invaders you enumerate can all go to Hell; they don't even have a right to be here...).

    However, Negroes didn't build the Saturn V, the Manhattan Project, heaver-than-air flight, the harnessing of electricity, telecommunications, and so forth. Thus, they are not entitled to sit on their asses and reap the benefits of such things because one hundred and fifty years ago their long-dead ancestors were horribly wronged. Yet that is what too many of them desire and demand.

    (I'll stipulate that one Negro invented peanut butter, only because I'm sure no one in the history of humanity before him could possible have ever mashed peanuts into a paste....)
  58. @Curle
    The narrative giveth and the narrative taketh away.

    does the narrative still believe race is just a social construct ?

  59. Black man not black enough for media: https://facesoffounders.org/im-not-black-enough-for-inc-magazine-337569d54a6b

    If he’d complained about invisible knapsacks, or about a white woman who pushed his son on an elevator … then he’d be a genius.

  60. @biz
    That's a great question. I don't have any answers, but a few ideas:

    1) White women are now seen by state-of-the-art SJWs as primarily part of the power / oppression structure, not as a victim class. Things like 53% of them supposedly voting for Trump, and ones in Cologne and Malmo not sufficiently accommodating Muslim 'cultural differences' and then having the gall to go to the police about it, others always flouting their thin bodies in fashion magazines, and just in general being insufficiently woke. So what's the big deal to SJWs if Bruce Jenner has more fun as one flavor of oppressor than another?

    or

    2) SJWs know that the public at large still views male-to-female transgenders as not quite right in the head deep down inside. So someone like Bruce Jenner thinking that life could be more fun as a female than a male is not actually taken as evidence that maybe upper middle class women in the West don't really have it so bad. SJWs know it'll be seen as just someone being eccentric. A white person preferring to be black though, that throws the whole narrative into doubt.

    Those two reasons sound plausible, but I wonder if it might be

    3) Because the narrative might argue that transgender men like Bruce Jenner are victims who because of the patriarchy were not able to get in touch with their true feminine side as children and had to suffer almost all their life as the wrong gender. They were forced to identify as women because of the evil patriarchy.

    It is only after they succeeded in their false identity as a male pushed on them by the evil patriarchy that they could now relax and embrace their true identity as a female.

    So they are now both victims and courageous opponents of the patriarchy.

    They are a reverse Rachael Dolezal because the transgender men embrace the weak victim role of being woman only after they sadly had to pass as men.

    If Rachel Doleazal had the same dynamics and Pokemon SJW points as the transgender men she would be an actual Black person ( with some actual Black parentage) who forced herself to act White and then discovered her “roots” and embraced her Black identity later in life.

  61. @Seth Largo
    You guys need to stop getting all defensive about your white privilege. A society built by white Europeans will of course be built to suit white Europeans, not Arabs or Africans. Just like a society built by Han Chinese is going to suit Han Chinese, not the Inuit. Just like I built a bookshelf to suit my academic book collection, not my nephew's comic books. This is "no duh" kind of stuff. The Leftist discourse on privilege is designed to subvert what was once considered normal because that's what the Left does: subvert norms, cuz it gives them the good feels.

    Of course, some norms need subverting. Blacks were right to subvert the norm of white privilege because they've been building this country alongside whites since 1600 and not getting much in return. In contrast, when Arabs, Asians, and Mexicans come here of their own accord then complain that America isn't suited to them, and whites should change things to suit them, well, that's just invasion and occupation.

    Yes and no. They’ve contributed since before the founding, and have every claim to equal opportunity (whereas the invaders you enumerate can all go to Hell; they don’t even have a right to be here…).

    However, Negroes didn’t build the Saturn V, the Manhattan Project, heaver-than-air flight, the harnessing of electricity, telecommunications, and so forth. Thus, they are not entitled to sit on their asses and reap the benefits of such things because one hundred and fifty years ago their long-dead ancestors were horribly wronged. Yet that is what too many of them desire and demand.

    (I’ll stipulate that one Negro invented peanut butter, only because I’m sure no one in the history of humanity before him could possible have ever mashed peanuts into a paste….)

  62. @International Jew
    Ok, I sorta buy your first reason, makes sense.

    But then, why don't we see push-back against male-to-female trangenders? Aren't we supposed to believe women also suffer from discrimination? Indeed the outrage should be all the stronger when it's very successful men like Bruce Jenner, Robert McCloskey, or iSteve's old MBA classmate that go trans. No?

    There actually are some very fringe feminists who hate male-to-female transgenders for this reason. I agree that the contradiction is puzzling; Google search “Rachel Dolezal Caitlin Jenner” and the articles about why they’re different tend to end up tying themselves in knots.

  63. Is the “val-de-ri, val-de-rah” inaudible as well?

  64. @Autochthon
    Didn't pay much attention that day in elementary school when the teacher explained how to read graphs and charts...? Hooky, maybe?

    (Paula Radcliffe-san, Japanese champion from the Bedford prefecture....)

    Can you read tables? Here are the 10,000 meters top 25 races for men and women:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10,000_metres

    Notice that there are 8 non-Kenyan men faster than the best white European male, who is in 15th place.

    Similarly, there are 6 non-Kenyan women faster than the best white European female (Radcliffe), who is in 9th place.

  65. I was referring to Steve’s graph of marathoners; I have more sense than to cite the Wikipedia for any proposition I take more seriously than, say, whom Katy Perry is schtupping just now.

    I am confused how Paula Radcliffe, whose world record of 2:15:25 has stood for fourteen years and counting, is deemed by you and the troglodytes administering the Wikipedia to have been the ninth fastest woman at the sport.

    I’m going to assume we are just writing past each other, since you didn’t even read the research by Steve I cited. Carry on.

    • Replies: @res
    10K vs. marathon. Wiki actually seems to get this right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon#All-time_lists

    That said, Paula Radcliffe's three minute edge over the next best (the difference between numbers 2 and 25 is two minutes!) is one of the most impressive records I have seen. Do you think it is possible she was doping? At least with Bob Beamon the high altitude of Mexico City provided an explanation.

    This series is fun (Beamon is number 2): https://www.theguardian.com/sport/series/50-stunning-olympic-moments
  66. @Autochthon
    I was referring to Steve's graph of marathoners; I have more sense than to cite the Wikipedia for any proposition I take more seriously than, say, whom Katy Perry is schtupping just now.

    I am confused how Paula Radcliffe, whose world record of 2:15:25 has stood for fourteen years and counting, is deemed by you and the troglodytes administering the Wikipedia to have been the ninth fastest woman at the sport.

    I'm going to assume we are just writing past each other, since you didn't even read the research by Steve I cited. Carry on.

    10K vs. marathon. Wiki actually seems to get this right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon#All-time_lists

    That said, Paula Radcliffe’s three minute edge over the next best (the difference between numbers 2 and 25 is two minutes!) is one of the most impressive records I have seen. Do you think it is possible she was doping? At least with Bob Beamon the high altitude of Mexico City provided an explanation.

    This series is fun (Beamon is number 2): https://www.theguardian.com/sport/series/50-stunning-olympic-moments

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    The business about whether Paula Radcliffe ever used drugs has been done to death in other fora by people even more knowledgeable and passionate than this amateur marathoner, so I refer you to the Interwebz for the surfeit of discussion.

    My own conviction is that she is a genuine champion and hero. Her tests were always clean and she was always more than happy to be tested on a moment's notice. She herself fought like a honey badger to have cheaters found our and disqualified; she despises the shame that behaviour brought to the sport. She trained like mad from childhood, she had the needed genes (check her pedigree), she has nonpariel form and breathing – she literally runs like a man (and in this context that's not an insult!). She kept on doing it despite injuries, pregancies and children, laurels aplenty to deservedly rest upon, and anything else you may mention. And she did it all for the love of running. That last should not be underestimated. All the greatest runners I know (and know of), professional and amateur, run for this reason alone – for themselves and the moment – not for the money, the sponsorships, the glory, any of that. Call it corny, but for a marathon – by its very nature as an otherwise solitary, grueling, masochistic crucible with no frills and distractions – that state of mind, that heart, matters perhaps more than for any other sport.

  67. @res
    10K vs. marathon. Wiki actually seems to get this right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon#All-time_lists

    That said, Paula Radcliffe's three minute edge over the next best (the difference between numbers 2 and 25 is two minutes!) is one of the most impressive records I have seen. Do you think it is possible she was doping? At least with Bob Beamon the high altitude of Mexico City provided an explanation.

    This series is fun (Beamon is number 2): https://www.theguardian.com/sport/series/50-stunning-olympic-moments

    The business about whether Paula Radcliffe ever used drugs has been done to death in other fora by people even more knowledgeable and passionate than this amateur marathoner, so I refer you to the Interwebz for the surfeit of discussion.

    My own conviction is that she is a genuine champion and hero. Her tests were always clean and she was always more than happy to be tested on a moment’s notice. She herself fought like a honey badger to have cheaters found our and disqualified; she despises the shame that behaviour brought to the sport. She trained like mad from childhood, she had the needed genes (check her pedigree), she has nonpariel form and breathing – she literally runs like a man (and in this context that’s not an insult!). She kept on doing it despite injuries, pregancies and children, laurels aplenty to deservedly rest upon, and anything else you may mention. And she did it all for the love of running. That last should not be underestimated. All the greatest runners I know (and know of), professional and amateur, run for this reason alone – for themselves and the moment – not for the money, the sponsorships, the glory, any of that. Call it corny, but for a marathon – by its very nature as an otherwise solitary, grueling, masochistic crucible with no frills and distractions – that state of mind, that heart, matters perhaps more than for any other sport.

    • Replies: @res
    Thanks for your response. I have shied away from distance running because of troublesome knees (not that I couldn't do it, more that I thought the accumulation of miles would be harmful long term). I have done long (e.g. 8 hours or more) events in other sports (I am multiple tiers away from the top though ; ) and your comments resonate. Having to force one's way through mishaps (e.g. rain, snow, physically damaging accidents, hypothermia, hyperthermia, etc.) is definitely educational. Glad to hear about examples like Paula Radcliffe.

    I should also observe that not all of those mishaps can (or should) be forced through (e.g. heat exhaustion, certain types of physical damage) and trying to maintain that judgment under the influence of adrenaline is also educational.
  68. @Autochthon
    The business about whether Paula Radcliffe ever used drugs has been done to death in other fora by people even more knowledgeable and passionate than this amateur marathoner, so I refer you to the Interwebz for the surfeit of discussion.

    My own conviction is that she is a genuine champion and hero. Her tests were always clean and she was always more than happy to be tested on a moment's notice. She herself fought like a honey badger to have cheaters found our and disqualified; she despises the shame that behaviour brought to the sport. She trained like mad from childhood, she had the needed genes (check her pedigree), she has nonpariel form and breathing – she literally runs like a man (and in this context that's not an insult!). She kept on doing it despite injuries, pregancies and children, laurels aplenty to deservedly rest upon, and anything else you may mention. And she did it all for the love of running. That last should not be underestimated. All the greatest runners I know (and know of), professional and amateur, run for this reason alone – for themselves and the moment – not for the money, the sponsorships, the glory, any of that. Call it corny, but for a marathon – by its very nature as an otherwise solitary, grueling, masochistic crucible with no frills and distractions – that state of mind, that heart, matters perhaps more than for any other sport.

    Thanks for your response. I have shied away from distance running because of troublesome knees (not that I couldn’t do it, more that I thought the accumulation of miles would be harmful long term). I have done long (e.g. 8 hours or more) events in other sports (I am multiple tiers away from the top though ; ) and your comments resonate. Having to force one’s way through mishaps (e.g. rain, snow, physically damaging accidents, hypothermia, hyperthermia, etc.) is definitely educational. Glad to hear about examples like Paula Radcliffe.

    I should also observe that not all of those mishaps can (or should) be forced through (e.g. heat exhaustion, certain types of physical damage) and trying to maintain that judgment under the influence of adrenaline is also educational.

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