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From The Atlantic:

Melinda Gates: The Tech Industry Needs to Fix Its Gender Problem—Now

“If we don’t have women in the tech space, we won’t even be asking ourselves some of the right questions.”

GILLIAN B. WHITE MAR 16, 2017 BUSINESS

Long before Melinda Gates was famous for her philanthropic work, she was yet another woman trying to make it in the male-dominated tech world.

Gates started working at Microsoft in 1987, when it was still a small, scrappy company. But even for a woman with a degree in computer science and technical skills in her blood (Gates’ father was an engineer) she still had trouble figuring out precisely how she fit into the male-dominated industry.

Thirty years later, many women are still asking themselves that question. Women make up an even smaller share of computer-science majors than they did when she graduated, having fallen to 18 percent from 37 percent in 1984.

With the formation of her own company, Pivotal Ventures, Gates is joining the bevy of voices in tech who are calling for change. I spoke with her about her experience at Microsoft, how she is approaching the issue of gender diversity in the industry, and why creating more inclusive companies is critical for the future. …

Gillian White: Our latest cover story delves into problems with gender diversity in the tech industry by asking, why is Silicon Valley so awful to women? How would you would answer that?

Melinda Gates: It hasn’t been welcoming to women now for more than a decade. So it’s something that’s actually been going on for a long time and I don’t think you see it being worked on in a systemic way and I think it needs to be worked on in a systemic way. If that doesn’t get reversed, you’re not going to have young women wanting to go into the field. …

White: What’s at risk if more women don’t get incorporated into computer science and tech?

Gates: I think we’ll have so much hidden bias coded into the system that we won’t even realize all the places that we have it. …

White: How are you thinking about intersectionality as you pursue gender diversity?

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  1. I wish I was that rich that I could be that disconnected from reality.

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  2. pyrrhus says:

    This is the same woman who believed, in a lengthy WSJ interview in 2013, that half of Africans will be middle class by 2030….Clueless ain’t in it…

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    Well, her husband said in 2004 he was going to eliminate spam in email by 2006.

    The Gates's mentality toward Africa is the same as Jeffrey Sachs. They want the personal legacy benefits that come with "helping" and then what they propose doesn't help, they can blame it on other people who just couldn't see their vision.
    , @TomSchmidt
    It hasn’t been welcoming to women now for more than a decade. So it’s something that’s actually been going on for a long time and I don’t think you see it being worked on in a systemic way and I think it needs to be worked on in a systemic way.

    Don't be so sure she's clueless. People talk about "Asians" taking over in Silicon Valley, but I'd bet most of the "Asians" are men from the subcontinent. White men may or may not promote women's interests, but you can be sure the foreign crowd taking over is less invested in Western feminist ideals.

    Now: Can she explicitly state this? Not on your life.
  3. Barnard says:

    Read the whole thing there.

    No thanks. It sounds about like the interviews Warren Buffett used to do on CNBC with Becky Quick. I thought she would eventually get to the point where she would ask questions like, “is life more difficult when you are such a genius?”

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    It may seem hard to believe now, but Buffett used to rarely give interviews. Less was more.
  4. Polynices says:

    LOL: “she still had trouble figuring out precisely how she fit into the male-dominated industry”

    So she married the boss and started pumping out heirs to his fortune! Great fit!

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    • Replies: @Pericles
    Yeah, I'd say she figured it out pretty well.
    , @International Jew
    Exactly. She found the #1 best way for a woman to succeed in high tech.
    , @Olorin
    That was my read exactly.

    I mean, what did she think she was going to do in the job she was originally hired for--invent a new operating system or something?

  5. Arclight says:

    No ‘woke’ intersectionalists are making the case that we need more gender diversity (ie men) in nursing or elementary and secondary education because that’s not where the money is.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    "No money in nursing".

    Haaaaaaa no.

    Right now we are on the cusp of a paramedic shortage across the nation. As paramedic requirements have risen through the years, there hasn't been a corresponding rise in pay. Right now a year + graduate of a medic program is gonna make $4 more an hour than the EMT who took a 6-8 week course (and makes $10/hr).

    The real money in EMS is with Fire, but you don't start seeing THAT until you make engineer in many departments, if not captain. So anywhere from 4-10 years, at the least. And that's if you get on a department or want to.

    However, many nursing programs are eager to accept medics and will push them through as RNs after one year of schooling. Depending where you RN, you can make 60k to 80k out of school. More after you start specialising, and you can draw a living wage anywhere without needing to be a battalion chief's nephew to ensure you an interview.

    Right now a lot of the medics in the country who aren't fire are guys who were around when 12 Lead and field intubation were considered passing fads. They're unwilling to give up their autonomy and basically are going to go until they die. Everyone else is either angling for experience to look better for Fire, or has some other hook in mind.

    If you're smart enough to be a medic, you're smart enough to know topping out at maybe $18-$20 an hour with no real career ladder isn't a bright future.

    , @dfordoom

    No ‘woke’ intersectionalists are making the case that we need more gender diversity (ie men) in nursing or elementary and secondary education because that’s not where the money is.
     
    Oddly enough there also doesn't seem to be much pressure for job opportunities for women digging ditches or collecting the trash. It's just this weird coincidence that gender diversity is desperately needed in well-paid high-status jobs in nice comfy offices. I can't think why that would be.
  6. Hubbub says:

    Read the whole thing there.

    Why? The inanity of the piece is notable from the quote you give, Steve.

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  7. asdf says:

    Hire more H1-B’s, of course. It’s the correct answer for everything, just ask your hubby Melinda.

    Nothing could make a workplace more women friendly.

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  8. Gates started working at Microsoft in 1987, when it was still a small, scrappy company.

    And to top it off, we are supposed to act like MSFT was still some little startup as of 1987? It already had a $3B market cap, which is roughly equivalent to a $24B market cap today, given current stock-index values.

    For comparison’s sake, that’s double the market cap of Citrix, which is certainly a long-established presence in corporate IT.

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    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Yeah.

    Microsoft was dominant in languages before it was dominant in PC operating systems, and it has been dominant in PC operating systems since 1981.

    In fact, at one point in the early '80s, Microsoft was a leading hardware vendor - it sold a CP/M card for the Apple II.

    Microsoft was not dominant in PC office applications until after the market switched from DOS to Windows in the early '90s, but it has dominated the Mac office-apps market since 1984.

    When the Mac first hit the market, it was bundled with a free word processor (MacWrite) and a free graphics program (MacPaint).

    MacWrite was low-end even by the standards of the time, but rumors of the imminent release of Microsoft Word and Lotus Jazz were enough to kill third-party interest in developing word processors, spreadsheets, databases, and other such programs.

    (At the time, Lotus was bigger than Microsoft. Its 1-2-3 spreadsheet was the number-one PC software seller for many years.)

    Lotus Jazz was a slow, buggy disaster:
    http://www.danielsays.com/ss-gallery-macintosh-jazz-r1.html

    (Read the list of "steps necessary to start" the program.)

    But Word and another new Microsoft offering, Excel, while certainly not perfect, did pretty well.

    Bill Gates briefly lost his billionaire status after the '87 market crash. Playboy scrapped a planned story on him - as a former billionaire, his story was deemed insufficiently interesting to distract readers from the nudie pics.
  9. Wedge the hell out of the women. Melinda Gates and the rest of the plutocrat females — Helen Krieble just came to mind — should be hammered for their support of open borders mass immigration. Regular women would love to hear someone pop these rich broads a good one for their arrogant disdain for the plight of regular female workers — in any line of work.

    Melinda Gates says that there is “hidden bias coded into the system” in computer science and the technology field. Yes, Melinda Gates, there is bias in the tech and computer industries. The bias is coming from greedy plutocrat rats such as Bill Gates and the rest of the cheap labor hogs who use the H-1B visa to keep wages low and displace both men and women from the Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics sector of the economy.

    Patriotic American women have had enough of the greedy rich female slobs who profit from mass immigration while preaching just how wonderful and enlightened they are. Women like Melinda Gates and Helen Krieble are rancid scoundrels who try to cover up their own greed for money and power by changing the subject to some other damn thing. Patriotic American women would love to see greedy sleazebags such as Melinda Gates and Helen Krieble be called out as the vile slobs they are. American women know damn well that all too often it is other women who are the ones pushing wage-reducing mass immigration. Hillary Clinton is another lousy broad known for pushing nation-wrecking mass immigration.

    Patriotic American women will respond well to a decent political leader who has the guts to go after these holier-than-thou hags who push nation-wrecking mass immigration.

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  10. Dan Hayes says:

    Melinda French – the future wife of Bill Gates – at one point managed the Microsoft Bob project, an undisputed and epic failure.

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    • Replies: @CK
    BOB gave us Clippy.
    , @Desiderius
    Speaking of Bob, the movie What About Bob was on TV yesterday and I was struck by the resemblance between the Bob Wiley/Dr. Leo Marvin dynamic and that enjoyed by Trump/our illustrious elites (sic).
  11. Clyde says:

    Aggravating hearing ultra-wealthy dodos pontificating (aka talking their book) plus she only got there by marrying Bill Gates. But the average person here will lap this up as “wisdom from our billionaire betters”.
    I have often read that Melinda is the prime mover in the racist Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation. Racist because they have their Millennium Scholars that gives out college scholarships to those who qualify unless he/she is white. Chinese boy who parachutes in here at age 15 to attend a US high school can apply. Your children-grandchildren need not apply, cannot apply.

    ________

    GMS – The Gates Millennium Scholars Program
    http://www.gmsp.org
    Gates Millennium Scholars Program. Promoting Academic Excellence + Providing Opportunities + Reducing Financial Barriers. For 20,000 outstanding students of color.
    Scholar Portals · GMS Program · Scholar Profiles · Distinguished Scholars · Contact Us · FAQs

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    • Replies: @Lex Corvus
    That hypothetical Chinese boy wouldn't qualify; the Gates Millennium Scholarship is even more communist than it looks at first glance—it's open only to "African American, American Indian/Alaska Native, Asian Pacific Islander American, and Hispanic American students."

    Jimmy Fong and Prakash Krishnamurti (much less John Smith) need not apply.
  12. Barnard says:
    @pyrrhus
    This is the same woman who believed, in a lengthy WSJ interview in 2013, that half of Africans will be middle class by 2030....Clueless ain't in it...

    Well, her husband said in 2004 he was going to eliminate spam in email by 2006.

    The Gates’s mentality toward Africa is the same as Jeffrey Sachs. They want the personal legacy benefits that come with “helping” and then what they propose doesn’t help, they can blame it on other people who just couldn’t see their vision.

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    • Replies: @Clyde

    The Gates’s mentality toward Africa is the same as Jeffrey Sachs. They want the personal legacy benefits that come with “helping” and then what they propose doesn’t help, they can blame it on other people who just couldn’t see their vision.
     
    Bill is neutral on Africa. He and his billions are just along for the ride, this is The Divine Miss M's project. Dittos for their racist Millennium Scholars program. My take anyway.
  13. JerryC says:

    Great example of women succeeding in high tech. Gets hired, manages trainwreck project, marries the superrich CEO and lives happily ever after. A modern day feminist fairy tale.

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    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    Does the movie include the same scene as "Pretty Woman" where the aspiring wife is kneeling?
  14. Bastion says:

    “we won’t even be asking ourselves some of the right questions”

    LMAO. Yeah, like “did you get that memo? We’re putting the new cover sheets on the TPS reports this week.”

    I swear they just run these pieces for laughs. They simultaneously complain about a lack of women in tech whilst importing hordes of H1-creepers to populate tech departments.

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  15. Luke Lea says:

    Is it just me or does “intersectionality” sound like a car wreck?

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    • Replies: @Coemgen, @Clyde

    Is it just me or does “intersectionality” sound like a car wreck?
     
    Intersectionality means you get two (three, four, five) leftist memes shoved down your throat for the price of one.
  16. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    There’s really nothing preventing women of going into tech careers.

    Women on average just don’t like technology so much, certainly not as much as men.

    If they ever go into tech, most of them want to:
    a) marry some rich boss like Melinda herself did
    b) have a job in the tech industry but that has nothing to do with real tech work.

    Once I worked in a large IT company where there was a woman employee whose job (“Event Organizer” or some such) was to dress herself in different weird costumes and sell raffle tickets for different social causes, and decorate the office with kooky posters. I kid you not.

    I found a video of Melinda Gates during her first internship:

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    • Replies: @Clyde
    If I were Bill I would have married a hot model whose 50 year old mother looked in great shape. Hot model with brains, with mothering instincts intact.
  17. From the quote:

    “But even for a woman with a degree in computer science and technical skills in her blood…”

    Waaaiiiit a minute. Are technical skills passed in the blood? Are you allowed to think that and still be a GoodWhite? Or are you only allowed to think that when it supports an argument about how white men are bad?

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    ...passed in the blood...

    Wait until you see their grant proposal for transfusions to level the playing field.
  18. Clyde says:
    @Barnard
    Well, her husband said in 2004 he was going to eliminate spam in email by 2006.

    The Gates's mentality toward Africa is the same as Jeffrey Sachs. They want the personal legacy benefits that come with "helping" and then what they propose doesn't help, they can blame it on other people who just couldn't see their vision.

    The Gates’s mentality toward Africa is the same as Jeffrey Sachs. They want the personal legacy benefits that come with “helping” and then what they propose doesn’t help, they can blame it on other people who just couldn’t see their vision.

    Bill is neutral on Africa. He and his billions are just along for the ride, this is The Divine Miss M‘s project. Dittos for their racist Millennium Scholars program. My take anyway.

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  19. mp says:

    Long before Melinda Gates was famous for her philanthropic work…

    So let me get this straight…she’s “famous” because she’s giving away her husband’s money?

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  20. Russia has most female business leaders:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-has-most-businesswomen/

    And India is not doing bad for women in tech:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-38253471

    Both countries are not globally known as bastions of feminism. They managed to get there without the blue-haired SJW grievance industry. It’s almost as if US women are actually being held back by the whiners.

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    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    The figures in Karlin's article suggest that Asian immigration is bad for white women in the workforce. All the white countries with high percentages of women business leaders (Poland, Russia, Sweden etc) have limited immigration from Asian countries.
  21. Clyde says:
    @Anonymous
    There's really nothing preventing women of going into tech careers.

    Women on average just don't like technology so much, certainly not as much as men.

    If they ever go into tech, most of them want to:
    a) marry some rich boss like Melinda herself did
    b) have a job in the tech industry but that has nothing to do with real tech work.

    Once I worked in a large IT company where there was a woman employee whose job ("Event Organizer" or some such) was to dress herself in different weird costumes and sell raffle tickets for different social causes, and decorate the office with kooky posters. I kid you not.

    I found a video of Melinda Gates during her first internship:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGD6CFkIn0g

    If I were Bill I would have married a hot model whose 50 year old mother looked in great shape. Hot model with brains, with mothering instincts intact.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Yeah I don't get why these gajillionaires like Gates and Zuck marry such unappealing women. They could marry virtually anyone.
    , @Rod1963
    They're nerds who until they became rich had no social life or interaction with women, let alone how to choose a mate say by looking at the GF's pedigree - IOW how her mother looks, checking to see if mental illness runs in the family, etc.
    , @AnotherDad

    If I were Bill I would have married a hot model whose 50 year old mother looked in great shape. Hot model with brains, with mothering instincts intact.
     
    Melinda French was a fine choice for Bill. She's smart and conscientious--her private Catholic HS valedictorian, Duke, Duke business school--was\is at least reasonably attractive (certainly above average). Bill's a--not all that in the closest--eugenicist, and Melinda was bringing a good package of genes to the table, as well as a good set of skills for mothering. If you had introduced him to a "hot model" with Melinda's packaged of mental skills, i'm sure Bill would have been interested. Such women certainly exist, but they are thin on the ground, and may not like Bill's particular package of traits. (The ones for whom the billions overruled everything else probably aren't the ones you want.)

    Melinda would have been just fine ... circa 1960. She's have popped out a passel of kids--she did three which isn't bad for this day and age--and done a good job mothering them. If she had any extra cycles and wanted to "do more", then she'd be on the PTA or working to improve the library or some other community do-gooderism.

    The problem here is the modern order. Where we let women run loose with their nurturing and "improving" instincts and take it seriously. And worse take their complaining--that everything is not ordered precisely as they like, that the waters do not part for them on cue--seriously.

    Despite the annoying PC nature of most everything that Melinda does, I will give her a bit of credit for bringing up population control and putting that on her do-gooderism agenda. While that was a given--conventional wisdom--circa 1970, it's practically bold in today's PC--addled environment where all problems stem from white men, and those of darker hue are responsible for no aspect of their state and can not be criticized.
  22. Coemgen says:
    @Luke Lea
    Is it just me or does "intersectionality" sound like a car wreck?
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    • Replies: @Coemgen
    https://youtu.be/PxX7wqW-2v0
    , @CK
    That could be at the intersectionality of Heart Attack and Vine.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xLBQIWeAjI
  23. Clyde says:
    @Luke Lea
    Is it just me or does "intersectionality" sound like a car wreck?

    Is it just me or does “intersectionality” sound like a car wreck?

    Intersectionality means you get two (three, four, five) leftist memes shoved down your throat for the price of one.

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  24. countenance says: • Website

    The only reason we know who Melinda Gates is, is because she married Bill Gates.

    That makes her qualified to…um…er…em…uh…

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  25. Daniel H says:

    Melinda Gates a techie, Okay. Notwithstanding her CS degree, did she spend even 10 minutes of her career at Microsoft programming a computer? Not.

    Women like the glamour of “technology”. The C officer suites, the money, the press. Actually programming software? Forget about it. That’s for nerds, and accomplished women hate, hate, hate, hate nerds. They don’t want to be around nerds. The mere presence of nerds repulses women, unless the nerd is worth $60 billion, then they will tolerate them.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    You know nothing about women and should not spout off about things of which you are totally ignorant. A nerd is a great catch and many are very, very good looking, such as my Stanford engineering and science major boy friends when I was young. Then there is my sisters gorgeous husband who was the lead designer for Expedia and worked for Microsoft and Sperry Rand writing code. 16 hours a day. Their beautiful girls look just like him. My Navy nuke nephew is the exact opposite of nerd.

    The real nerds are the poli sci majors and law students.

    Get out and meet some women.
    , @dc.sunsets

    then they will tolerate them.
     
    For the duration of the prenup.
  26. Daniel H says:

    >>Gates: I think we’ll have so much hidden bias coded into the system that we won’t even realize all the places that we have it. …

    I am curious about how one could actually code bias into a web browser, spreadsheet or word processor. I guess the same way bias in encoded into a Ford F-150.

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    And if we don't realize it (hidden bias coded into the system), how does she know it?

    Guess we'll have to take her word for it...because she's famous for giving away her husband's fortune.
  27. @Coemgen
    https://youtu.be/PxX7wqW-2v0

    That’s my favorite Simpsons episode.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Throwing around vague buzzwords and sounding authoritative (despite not knowing jack s***) is a good description of the average business meeting.


    I remember reading an article not too long ago about how Melinda rules her household with an iron fist. She doesn’t allow any of her family to leave the kitchen after meals untild the entire kitchen is clean to her own personal specificiations. This includes Bill—you know, the actual billionaire genius who built the house for her and whose existence is the sole reason anyone listens to Melinda Gates. She said in the article this had something to do with feminism and equality, but really it’s just about her acting like a bully and a shrew.

    Bill is such a whipped nerdy pussy he just goes along with it. Perhaps a nerd like Bill is just grateful he can touch her once a year. But it really makes me have no respect for anything they say outside of strict technical details about computers. He’s sackless dweeb who can’t man up in his own family, she’s a shrill controlling harpy who forces everyone to bow to her whims.
     
    I find it remarkable how many men act like this these days. Even wealthy and powerful men are content to let their wife wear the pants in the relationship. It's not just Americans, I've seen the same in lots of immigrant groups too. I also find it remarkable how shrewish women act these days.

    I remember during one of the debates, Governor Kasich bragged that he wouldn't let any lobbyist or donor tell him what to do. He claimed that the only person who tells him what do is his wife.

    Pathetic.

    Billionaire investor Marcus Lemonis was speaking to an audience. Then he invited up some Indian subcon woman, who stole his chair and busted his balls (7:30 - 20:00).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlS8y4ecmn0

    A billionaire should exude power and strength. Lemonis, despite his success, is henpecked.
  28. whorefinder says: • Website

    Man, if the Chinese wanted to hurt the American tech industry, forcing diversity on it through useful idiots like Melinda Gates would be a great way.

    I remember reading an article not too long ago about how Melinda rules her household with an iron fist. She doesn’t allow any of her family to leave the kitchen after meals untild the entire kitchen is clean to her own personal specificiations. This includes Bill—you know, the actual billionaire genius who built the house for her and whose existence is the sole reason anyone listens to Melinda Gates. She said in the article this had something to do with feminism and equality, but really it’s just about her acting like a bully and a shrew.

    Bill is such a whipped nerdy pussy he just goes along with it. Perhaps a nerd like Bill is just grateful he can touch her once a year. But it really makes me have no respect for anything they say outside of strict technical details about computers. He’s sackless dweeb who can’t man up in his own family, she’s a shrill controlling harpy who forces everyone to bow to her whims.

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    • LOL: Clyde
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    I suspect Bill wins arguments through impeccable logic but "paralogic" is "kryptonite" to him.
    , @Half Canadian
    I actually like the idea of her kids cleaning up after themselves. Nothing worse than a spoiled rich kid. Rich kids who have had to work? They're an asset.
  29. This month’s Atlantic has a story that represents what’s best about this society and the one you cite, which reflects what is worst. This piece about the grizzled Russian father and his son mitigating global warming through bringing back the wooly mammoth is the coolest thing I’ve read in a while. Read between the lines, it seems that the father may be a Trump and Putin supporter.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/04/pleistocene-park/517779/

    This story about the future of the biosphere did not make the cover though. That goes to indulging feminist nonsense.

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    • Replies: @Ganderson
    The cover story of the Atlantic that just arrived at my house bears the headline "why Silicon Valley is so awful to women" Boo hoo
  30. Alden says:

    Maybe she should speak with her husband about his practice of refusing to hire Americans and insistence on importing HI B Asians and Indians. They are about 99 percent men.

    She should also take a look at government mandated affirmative action practices. “Women and minorities encouraged to apply” actually means that the EEOC, NOW, ACLU and the other minions of satan ferociously monitor companies to ensure that unqualified black and Hispanic women are hired, promoted and kept until retirement instead of qualified White women.

    Government and judicial mandates against hiring qualified White Americans are one of the many reasons the tech and medical industries have turned to HI B foreigners. They qualify as minorities and keep the EEOC, the judges and other minions of Satan off the companies backs.

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  31. Alden says:
    @Daniel H
    Melinda Gates a techie, Okay. Notwithstanding her CS degree, did she spend even 10 minutes of her career at Microsoft programming a computer? Not.

    Women like the glamour of "technology". The C officer suites, the money, the press. Actually programming software? Forget about it. That's for nerds, and accomplished women hate, hate, hate, hate nerds. They don't want to be around nerds. The mere presence of nerds repulses women, unless the nerd is worth $60 billion, then they will tolerate them.

    You know nothing about women and should not spout off about things of which you are totally ignorant. A nerd is a great catch and many are very, very good looking, such as my Stanford engineering and science major boy friends when I was young. Then there is my sisters gorgeous husband who was the lead designer for Expedia and worked for Microsoft and Sperry Rand writing code. 16 hours a day. Their beautiful girls look just like him. My Navy nuke nephew is the exact opposite of nerd.

    The real nerds are the poli sci majors and law students.

    Get out and meet some women.

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    • Replies: @SteveM

    "Then there is my sisters gorgeous husband who was the lead designer for Expedia..."
     
    BTW, Chelsea Clinton was just named to the BoD of Expedia. Getting paid $250,000 for adding diversity to the potted plant collection at board meetings.
    , @Dumbo

    "many are very, very good looking"
     
    Is Bill Gates "gorgeous"? Is Zuck? I don't think so.

    "A nerd is a great catch"

     

    OK. First time I hear this, though.


    "My Navy nuke nephew is the exact opposite of nerd"
     

    "The real nerds are the poli sci majors and law students"
     
    I'm confused, so are nerds 'good catches' or not?

    And what's a nuke nephew?
    , @Rod1963
    If he coded 16 hours a day, he must have looked like crap, because I've worked with code monkeys who put in such hours. They inevitably wreck their health, their wives screw men on the side since hubby is a basket case by the time he gets home and the kids don't respect dear old dad because he's never home and when he is, he's asleep.

    Usually that type burns out by 40 and ends up divorced. Silicon Valley used to be littered with this sort.

    That said most technical nerds are boorish, interchangeable, socially awkward beta males that radiate weakness. All the attributes that turn off most women.

    I remember a Windows XP device driver course I attended in San Jose - At first I thought it was a meeting for people with Autism - all that was missing were the crash helmets. 40 young men all with jittery feet furiously pumping up and down as the teacher lectured about the internals of XP. Very creepy

    Could have been a scene out of "Village of the Damned".

    At break time there was silence. They wandered out of the class and just milled about in silence for 15 minutes. It was impossible to strike up a conversation with them. They just looked at the ground and that was it. No ability to socialize. I've met ex-convicts with more on the ball than these mooks
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    Go ahead, lie to yourself about the sexual market place. It don't confront us none. Just don't try and sell your delusions as truth to anybody else, because you're doing them a great disservice.

    I note all your counterexamples are family. I'm sure there's no bias there, and these anecdotes can be taken at face value, however . . .

    A nerd is a great catch and many are very, very good looking, such as my Stanford engineering and science major boy friends when I was young
     
    If they were such great catches and +3SD on the handsome scale as you claim, why'd you kick 'em to the curb? Or were they the ones who moved up to a newer, better model?
  32. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Bill is richer than Donald. If Donald gets three superhot wives & Bill gets a ghastly, shrewish pathological altruist SJWitch who squanders his wealth on google, what do we learn about Bill?

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Seems like he was, for better or worse, a stereotypical nerd who unfortunately made a terrible mistake because he was lonely and largely antisocial.
    , @Drapetomaniac
    "If Donald gets three superhot wives & Bill gets a ghastly, shrewish pathological altruist SJWitch who squanders his wealth on google, what do we learn about Bill?"

    That his marriage was arranged by the CIA?
  33. @JerryC
    Great example of women succeeding in high tech. Gets hired, manages trainwreck project, marries the superrich CEO and lives happily ever after. A modern day feminist fairy tale.

    Does the movie include the same scene as “Pretty Woman” where the aspiring wife is kneeling?

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  34. @Daniel H
    Melinda Gates a techie, Okay. Notwithstanding her CS degree, did she spend even 10 minutes of her career at Microsoft programming a computer? Not.

    Women like the glamour of "technology". The C officer suites, the money, the press. Actually programming software? Forget about it. That's for nerds, and accomplished women hate, hate, hate, hate nerds. They don't want to be around nerds. The mere presence of nerds repulses women, unless the nerd is worth $60 billion, then they will tolerate them.

    then they will tolerate them.

    For the duration of the prenup.

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  35. fish says:

    With the formation of her own company, Pivotal Ventures….

    Yeah honey…..starting a boutique clothing store would be a great way to stay engaged in the business world while I see my mistress on the side.

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  36. All three of my sons who went into STEM fields complained at one time or another how much a sausage-fest were their college classes.

    The very notion that men are keeping women out of tech on purpose is too absurd to describe. It’s more that the guys who are “right” for those occupations are already tired of being the one guy who does all the work for every “group project” they were assigned from Middle School onward.

    We any of us live to see occupations stop being treated like a cake to be divvied up “fairly” among the mouths nearby?

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Right. Some startup should just scoop up all those female super coders everybody else has been ignoring. That'll show them.
  37. Those Gates, they are smart. They gave $millions worth of mosquito nets to Africans, who promptly used them to dredge water for food which effectively killed ecosystems.

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  38. @Anon
    Bill is richer than Donald. If Donald gets three superhot wives & Bill gets a ghastly, shrewish pathological altruist SJWitch who squanders his wealth on google, what do we learn about Bill?

    Seems like he was, for better or worse, a stereotypical nerd who unfortunately made a terrible mistake because he was lonely and largely antisocial.

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  39. Pericles says:
    @Polynices
    LOL: "she still had trouble figuring out precisely how she fit into the male-dominated industry"

    So she married the boss and started pumping out heirs to his fortune! Great fit!

    Yeah, I’d say she figured it out pretty well.

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  40. “If we don’t have women in the tech space, we won’t even be asking ourselves some of the right questions.”

    One question I’d like an answer to is, “If all females in the tech industry were fired tomorrow, would tech industry productivity even decline?”

    White: How are you thinking about intersectionality as you pursue gender diversity?

    Phew, this doozy of a question actually inspired me check my privilege and look up ‘intersectionality.’ Here’s what I found:

    Intersectionality holds that the classical conceptualizations of oppression within society—such as racism, sexism, classism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia and belief-based bigotry—do not act independently of each other.

    With that knowledge in mind, I think I’d proceed to answer the interviewer thus: “On average, a poor, black, disabled, lesbian, Muslim, African transvestite is going to be a useless addition to any tech company no matter how you cut it.”

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    • Replies: @JW Bell
    Netflix famously said their productivity improved after layoffs.

    Many developers are net negative on projects.
  41. I think we’ll have so much hidden bias coded into the system that we won’t even realize all the places that we have it. …

    #!/bin/cat
    Hello Wimmin World!*

    Basically, part-time she-banging*, and full-time Bilderberging Melinda opens her vagina dentata out of fear that some future, sophisticated metaprogramming could eventually grow up with a pair of solid brass balls, and send her daughter Phoebe Adele Gates back to the place she always belonged : right behind her kitchen counter top.

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  42. Clyde says:

    With the formation of her own company, Pivotal Ventures, The Divine Miss Gates is joining the bevy of voices in tech who are calling for change….blah blah blah…. I spoke with her about her experience at Microsoft, how she is approaching the issue of gender diversity in the industry….blah blah blah….

    Lulz it’s a vanity NGO or similar. Not a business. Who wrote this kiss arse piece ¿anyway?…. Todd Bishop who is GeekWire’s co-founder and editor. Kiss Bill’s arse full speed ahead!!¡¡!!

    http://www.geekwire.com/2015/melinda-gates-creates-pivotal-ventures-to-pursue-outside-projects-focusing-on-womens-issues/
    Melinda Gates, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation co-chair, has quietly established a new organization called Pivotal Ventures, an independent executive office that will give her an opportunity to pursue ideas, projects and potentially investments that might not fit within the structure of the foundation.

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  43. Pericles says:

    In my career, I’ve only met one woman who could program worth a damn, that is, on a respectable professional level. Alas, she had a meltdown during the 2008 financial crisis and disappeared, never to be seen again. The rest have not really impressed, from undergrad up to now, yet have been relentlessly hoovered up into management (at least project management) much like Melissa, or disappeared into other roles or fields.

    Not that there were very many; I think undergrad was about 10% women in spite of relentless initiatives from department and university, and I can recall only a handful of actual working female programmers after that.

    I can’t say I blame them. As others have remarked, and I concur, it’s a pretty miserable occupation. Though if you’re firmly into the apex fallacy of only looking at the best paid at the top companies, it probably looks pretty nice and women surely deserve to have half of that.

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  44. Forbes says:
    @Daniel H
    >>Gates: I think we’ll have so much hidden bias coded into the system that we won’t even realize all the places that we have it. …

    I am curious about how one could actually code bias into a web browser, spreadsheet or word processor. I guess the same way bias in encoded into a Ford F-150.

    And if we don’t realize it (hidden bias coded into the system), how does she know it?

    Guess we’ll have to take her word for it…because she’s famous for giving away her husband’s fortune.

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  45. Lot says:

    I had a PC in late 1994 that had a Microsoft Bob clone preinstalled by the OEM. Within a week I talked my parents into letting me remove it.

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  46. Dr. X says:

    But even for a woman with a degree in computer science and technical skills in her blood (Gates’ father was an engineer) she still had trouble figuring out precisely how she fit into the male-dominated industry.

    Interesting, isn’t it, how the article assumes the genetic heritability of favorable traits when trying to explain how a women should have fit in but instead was the supposed victim of gender discrimination… yet one could never print an article assuming that the lack of a heritable trait is the cause of female, or black, failure.

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    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    Gates father was a lawyer, a part of one of Seattle's most prestigious law firms.
    Bill Gates was not that smart...he was "in the right place at the right time"...he purchased an operating system from a REAL programmer (Gary Kildall) for $20,000. His "genius" came from the tight "licensing agreement" that his daddy's law firm crafted. At that time, one could not purchase the software separately from the hardware. One had to purchase the software along with a computer. This, in itself assured that there would be a "customer base".
    Compared to Linux, Microsoft products approach that of bloatware, having to reboot the computer at least once per day to flush out the cr@p...
  47. JohnnyD says:
    @dc.sunsets
    I wish I was that rich that I could be that disconnected from reality.

    ,
    That’s modern liberalism in a nutshell: earn enough money so you can get away from diversity, while pushing the deplorables around for being bigots.

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  48. AndrewR says:
    @Clyde
    If I were Bill I would have married a hot model whose 50 year old mother looked in great shape. Hot model with brains, with mothering instincts intact.

    Yeah I don’t get why these gajillionaires like Gates and Zuck marry such unappealing women. They could marry virtually anyone.

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    • Replies: @Dumbo
    I think it's a question of personality. A guy like Trump will have appeal with models. Nerdy guy like Gates or Zuck, not so much.

    Yes, the models may marry them for their money but they would likely also divorce them in record time.

    While the SJW-types shrews are glad to remain married and use the money for some stupid leftist cause to vent their sexual frustration.
  49. Staged Training Embarrassing Moments (STEM) sessions are also one of the best venues for any elderly statesman searching for some new and exotically vibrant companions (@ 0:42):

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  50. Sammler says: • Website
    @elmer t. jones
    Those Gates, they are smart. They gave $millions worth of mosquito nets to Africans, who promptly used them to dredge water for food which effectively killed ecosystems.

    Link?

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    • Replies: @bored identity
    There's reason why Zambia was founded on Tragic Dirt...and Water.
    White Devils' Good Intentions Paving Africa's Road from 19th Century Hell to Hell 2.0, indeed:


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/25/world/africa/mosquito-nets-for-malaria-spawn-new-epidemic-overfishing.html?hpw&rref=world&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0


    Keynesian idiocy provides even for Mosquito Net Policing:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-larry-hollon/education-followup-help-p_b_6556604.html
  51. JW Bell says:
    @silviosilver

    “If we don’t have women in the tech space, we won’t even be asking ourselves some of the right questions.”
     
    One question I'd like an answer to is, "If all females in the tech industry were fired tomorrow, would tech industry productivity even decline?"

    White: How are you thinking about intersectionality as you pursue gender diversity?
     
    Phew, this doozy of a question actually inspired me check my privilege and look up 'intersectionality.' Here's what I found:

    Intersectionality holds that the classical conceptualizations of oppression within society—such as racism, sexism, classism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia and belief-based bigotry—do not act independently of each other.

    With that knowledge in mind, I think I'd proceed to answer the interviewer thus: "On average, a poor, black, disabled, lesbian, Muslim, African transvestite is going to be a useless addition to any tech company no matter how you cut it."

    Netflix famously said their productivity improved after layoffs.

    Many developers are net negative on projects.

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  52. Why are people like Melinda Gates so boring? And Bill, for that matter.

    She has all the money & time in the world, and what does she do with it? Basically, the same kind of trite charity work every other suburban soccer mom does, but on a larger scale.

    She could fund any movie project she wants, circumvent the world in a yacht, build parks or other public monuments, patronize artists, even sell crappy ghost-written books……but no, all she wants to do is lecture & show the world what a nice good person she is.

    Look at she and Bill’s “recommended book list”: https://www.gatesnotes.com/About-Bill-Gates/10-Books-Recommended-to-TED

    These are some dull, dull people.

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    • Replies: @Jokah Macpherson
    I want to see her circumvent the world in a yacht.
    , @Njguy73
    "To be smart enough to get all that money you must be dull enough to want it.” ~ G. K. Chesterton
  53. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    She should tell Billy to cut off his penis and testicles and get a fake vagina.

    Then, the richest person in the world will be a ‘woman’.

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  54. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Barnard

    Read the whole thing there.
     
    No thanks. It sounds about like the interviews Warren Buffett used to do on CNBC with Becky Quick. I thought she would eventually get to the point where she would ask questions like, "is life more difficult when you are such a genius?"

    It may seem hard to believe now, but Buffett used to rarely give interviews. Less was more.

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    • Replies: @jimbo
    That was before CNBC found out that you could send a pretty girl to fawn over him and he'll talk for hours...
  55. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Nobody cares what boring busybody Melinda has to say. We’re waiting for Melania to tell us what she thinks. That’s what’s important.

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  56. CK says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Melinda French - the future wife of Bill Gates - at one point managed the Microsoft Bob project, an undisputed and epic failure.

    BOB gave us Clippy.

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  57. Coemgen says:
    @whorefinder
    Man, if the Chinese wanted to hurt the American tech industry, forcing diversity on it through useful idiots like Melinda Gates would be a great way.

    I remember reading an article not too long ago about how Melinda rules her household with an iron fist. She doesn't allow any of her family to leave the kitchen after meals untild the entire kitchen is clean to her own personal specificiations. This includes Bill---you know, the actual billionaire genius who built the house for her and whose existence is the sole reason anyone listens to Melinda Gates. She said in the article this had something to do with feminism and equality, but really it's just about her acting like a bully and a shrew.

    Bill is such a whipped nerdy pussy he just goes along with it. Perhaps a nerd like Bill is just grateful he can touch her once a year. But it really makes me have no respect for anything they say outside of strict technical details about computers. He's sackless dweeb who can't man up in his own family, she's a shrill controlling harpy who forces everyone to bow to her whims.

    I suspect Bill wins arguments through impeccable logic but “paralogic” is “kryptonite” to him.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Anyone who uses logic to argue with a woman has already lost the argument.
  58. @S. Anonyia
    Why are people like Melinda Gates so boring? And Bill, for that matter.

    She has all the money & time in the world, and what does she do with it? Basically, the same kind of trite charity work every other suburban soccer mom does, but on a larger scale.

    She could fund any movie project she wants, circumvent the world in a yacht, build parks or other public monuments, patronize artists, even sell crappy ghost-written books......but no, all she wants to do is lecture & show the world what a nice good person she is.

    Look at she and Bill's "recommended book list": https://www.gatesnotes.com/About-Bill-Gates/10-Books-Recommended-to-TED

    These are some dull, dull people.

    I want to see her circumvent the world in a yacht.

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  59. Ivy says:
    @Jewish Conservative Race Realist
    From the quote:

    "But even for a woman with a degree in computer science and technical skills in her blood..."

    Waaaiiiit a minute. Are technical skills passed in the blood? Are you allowed to think that and still be a GoodWhite? Or are you only allowed to think that when it supports an argument about how white men are bad?

    …passed in the blood…

    Wait until you see their grant proposal for transfusions to level the playing field.

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  60. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Coemgen
    I suspect Bill wins arguments through impeccable logic but "paralogic" is "kryptonite" to him.

    Anyone who uses logic to argue with a woman has already lost the argument.

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  61. Harold says:

    she still had trouble figuring out precisely how she fit into the male-dominated industry.

    Thirty years later, many women are still asking themselves that question.

    My mother is a programmer—a very good one. She has a degree in mathematics and started her career as a computer. When the company she worked for bought an electronic computer she was chosen from amongst the computers to be promoted to programmer. She went back to it after taking time off to be a full-time mother when her children were young.

    I asked her if she has ever experienced any sexism in her decades in IT. She said, ‘No.’

    She has often been encouraged to apply for management positions, but she prefers technical work.

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  62. The H-1Bs have taken a very large fraction of the programming jobs. Before the H1bs started showing up in massive numbers, software companies used to hire and train more women. So if Mrs. Gates wants to blame someone for poor female representation in the software industry, she should yell at her husband and every CEO that abused the H-1B system rather than hire Americans. See quote below.

    In 2013, only 26% of computing professionals were female — down considerably from 35% in 1990 and virtually the same as in 1960. While the percentage of women in engineering has risen since 1990, the progress is modest –rising from 9% in 1990 to 12% in 2013.

    The percentage of female programmers is lower than 1990 and the same as in 1960.

    Russia has most female business leaders:

    Lots of Russian men are alcoholic layabouts. So it’s not really that they respect women, as much as it’s because too many of them are Boris Yeltsins. That creates more opportunities for women.

    And India is not doing bad for women in tech:

    Indians are Tiger Daughters. So I’d imagine they want their girls in high paying jobs.

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3050365/it-careers/how-many-h-1b-workers-are-male-us-wont-say.html

    A Computerworld analysis of U.S. Census Bureau American Community Survey data from 2010 to 2014 showed that overall, 27% of the U.S. tech workforce is female. Among people born in India and working in U.S. tech jobs — immigrants and green-card holders as well as those on visas — 27.8% are female, roughly similar. (Want to explore this data yourself? Download the data file as part of our free Insider program.) But more data is needed to complete the picture of H-1B demographics, which may be considerably different than those of foreign-born citizens.

    The reality is that women are, generally speaking, unqualified to be computer programmers.
    Companies will only hire them if the American labor market is tight and there aren’t any alternatives. Unfortunately, in modern day America, the American labor market now extends to the entire world. So why hire a woman?

    As for the H-1Bs, the evidence suggests that ethnic networking (ie nepotism along caste/linguistic lines) is how Indians took over the IT indutry. The initial wave of early/mid 90s H-1bs were highly qualified and many got into management positions. They then purged a lot of the American workers and brought in their less qualified co-ethnics. They also began subcontracting to Indian companies, both here and abraod. While a few of the H-1bs are undoubtedly very bright, the bulk are subpar programmers who got hired because they’re the same caste/ethnicity as their boss. At no point did Bill and Melinda Gates do anything about this.

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    • Replies: @The Q Entity
    Yes this is the problem with 'cognitive elitism'. It goes against human nature to favor smart foreigners over dumb kinsfolk. The kinsfolk get preference every time.
  63. @whorefinder
    Man, if the Chinese wanted to hurt the American tech industry, forcing diversity on it through useful idiots like Melinda Gates would be a great way.

    I remember reading an article not too long ago about how Melinda rules her household with an iron fist. She doesn't allow any of her family to leave the kitchen after meals untild the entire kitchen is clean to her own personal specificiations. This includes Bill---you know, the actual billionaire genius who built the house for her and whose existence is the sole reason anyone listens to Melinda Gates. She said in the article this had something to do with feminism and equality, but really it's just about her acting like a bully and a shrew.

    Bill is such a whipped nerdy pussy he just goes along with it. Perhaps a nerd like Bill is just grateful he can touch her once a year. But it really makes me have no respect for anything they say outside of strict technical details about computers. He's sackless dweeb who can't man up in his own family, she's a shrill controlling harpy who forces everyone to bow to her whims.

    I actually like the idea of her kids cleaning up after themselves. Nothing worse than a spoiled rich kid. Rich kids who have had to work? They’re an asset.

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    I agree. We used to call those cleaning-up activities "chores." Parents used to make kids do that stuff back in the day. I guess Americans now have illegal Mexicans do that.
    , @PiltdownMan

    I actually like the idea of her kids cleaning up after themselves. Nothing worse than a spoiled rich kid. Rich kids who have had to work? They’re an asset.
     
    From today's Washington Post David Rockefeller obit, who died yesterday at the age of 101.

    John D. Rockefeller Jr.... drove into his children a sense of noblesse oblige and a commitment to hard work.

    Young David, who grew up in the largest private residence in New York City, was required to do chores. At 7, he spent eight hours a day raking leaves on the family’s 3,400-acre estate in Westchester County. In Maine, where the family owned a summer home, he pulled weeds by hand, earning a penny a weed.
     

    , @whorefinder
    You're missing the point: old Bill is forced to do the "chores" to his wife's standards. In other words, she's his slavemaster.
  64. SteveM says:
    @Alden
    You know nothing about women and should not spout off about things of which you are totally ignorant. A nerd is a great catch and many are very, very good looking, such as my Stanford engineering and science major boy friends when I was young. Then there is my sisters gorgeous husband who was the lead designer for Expedia and worked for Microsoft and Sperry Rand writing code. 16 hours a day. Their beautiful girls look just like him. My Navy nuke nephew is the exact opposite of nerd.

    The real nerds are the poli sci majors and law students.

    Get out and meet some women.

    “Then there is my sisters gorgeous husband who was the lead designer for Expedia…”

    BTW, Chelsea Clinton was just named to the BoD of Expedia. Getting paid $250,000 for adding diversity to the potted plant collection at board meetings.

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  65. @Steve Sailer
    That's my favorite Simpsons episode.

    Throwing around vague buzzwords and sounding authoritative (despite not knowing jack s***) is a good description of the average business meeting.

    I remember reading an article not too long ago about how Melinda rules her household with an iron fist. She doesn’t allow any of her family to leave the kitchen after meals untild the entire kitchen is clean to her own personal specificiations. This includes Bill—you know, the actual billionaire genius who built the house for her and whose existence is the sole reason anyone listens to Melinda Gates. She said in the article this had something to do with feminism and equality, but really it’s just about her acting like a bully and a shrew.

    Bill is such a whipped nerdy pussy he just goes along with it. Perhaps a nerd like Bill is just grateful he can touch her once a year. But it really makes me have no respect for anything they say outside of strict technical details about computers. He’s sackless dweeb who can’t man up in his own family, she’s a shrill controlling harpy who forces everyone to bow to her whims.

    I find it remarkable how many men act like this these days. Even wealthy and powerful men are content to let their wife wear the pants in the relationship. It’s not just Americans, I’ve seen the same in lots of immigrant groups too. I also find it remarkable how shrewish women act these days.

    I remember during one of the debates, Governor Kasich bragged that he wouldn’t let any lobbyist or donor tell him what to do. He claimed that the only person who tells him what do is his wife.

    Pathetic.

    Billionaire investor Marcus Lemonis was speaking to an audience. Then he invited up some Indian subcon woman, who stole his chair and busted his balls (7:30 – 20:00).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlS8y4ecmn0

    A billionaire should exude power and strength. Lemonis, despite his success, is henpecked.

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    I find it remarkable how many men act like this these days. Even wealthy and powerful men are content to let their wife wear the pants in the relationship.
     
    This is one of the defining features of the new overclass -- the complete acceptance of male-female equality and even female dominance. It's almost like the guardians of Plato's Republic among these people. Some of it's downright pathetic -- some cucked dweeb published an essay last year on some left-wing site about how happy he was that his wife went out and got banged by another guy while he stayed home with the kids. Because cheating made her equal to men. Unreal.

    This kind of thing only happens among people who live in a completely artificial bubble, though. Those of us in the working class are quite well aware of gender differences. My wife doesn't chain saw trees, butcher deer, change oil, or pull transmissions out of pickup trucks like I do. And I don't let her tell me how to do things. She's not a feminist... but if she were ever to give me any crap I'd hand her a set of tools and a pair of coveralls and tell her to get after it.

    , @Njguy73

    A billionaire should exude power and strength.
     
    No. Millionaires need to exude power and strength. Billionaires can afford to be whipped.
  66. @Arclight
    No 'woke' intersectionalists are making the case that we need more gender diversity (ie men) in nursing or elementary and secondary education because that's not where the money is.

    “No money in nursing”.

    Haaaaaaa no.

    Right now we are on the cusp of a paramedic shortage across the nation. As paramedic requirements have risen through the years, there hasn’t been a corresponding rise in pay. Right now a year + graduate of a medic program is gonna make $4 more an hour than the EMT who took a 6-8 week course (and makes $10/hr).

    The real money in EMS is with Fire, but you don’t start seeing THAT until you make engineer in many departments, if not captain. So anywhere from 4-10 years, at the least. And that’s if you get on a department or want to.

    However, many nursing programs are eager to accept medics and will push them through as RNs after one year of schooling. Depending where you RN, you can make 60k to 80k out of school. More after you start specialising, and you can draw a living wage anywhere without needing to be a battalion chief’s nephew to ensure you an interview.

    Right now a lot of the medics in the country who aren’t fire are guys who were around when 12 Lead and field intubation were considered passing fads. They’re unwilling to give up their autonomy and basically are going to go until they die. Everyone else is either angling for experience to look better for Fire, or has some other hook in mind.

    If you’re smart enough to be a medic, you’re smart enough to know topping out at maybe $18-$20 an hour with no real career ladder isn’t a bright future.

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    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    I can't speak for the rest of the country, but my girlfriend is a nurse with 25 years experience working at a union hospital in Boston. She makes mid-six figures.

    The funniest thing that's happened to her in a while was a job offer from Mass General with a salary that was $30K less than she's making now. The nice HR lady was taken aback when the girl basically laughed at her. The woman said she knew the money was less, "But you'd be working at Massachusetts General Hospital!". Like that pays the mortgage.
  67. [E]ven for a woman with a degree in computer science and technical skills in her blood (Gates’ father was an engineer)….

    Why, it’s almost as if intelligence and aptitudes were heritable….

    White: What’s at risk if more women don’t get incorporated into computer science and tech?

    Gates: I think we’ll have so much hidden bias coded into the system that we won’t even realize all the places that we have it. …

    This bit is a tautology, she’s been asked “What bad thing happens if lots of women don’t work in computer science?” and she effectively responds “Lots of women won’t be working in computer science!”

    Okaaaayyyy….

    I mean, if brilliant men hadn’t worke for NASA, we’d never have built the Saturn V, gone to the moon, etc. The risk was never that if brilliant men hadn’t worked for NASA, then brilliant men would not have worked for NASA.

    You know, it’s not an end in itself, lady. (Except, for her, of course, it is.)

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  68. Dumbo says:
    @AndrewR
    Yeah I don't get why these gajillionaires like Gates and Zuck marry such unappealing women. They could marry virtually anyone.

    I think it’s a question of personality. A guy like Trump will have appeal with models. Nerdy guy like Gates or Zuck, not so much.

    Yes, the models may marry them for their money but they would likely also divorce them in record time.

    While the SJW-types shrews are glad to remain married and use the money for some stupid leftist cause to vent their sexual frustration.

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    People divorce their spouses because they can. It needs to get harder and less acceptable. Waiting times, mandatory counseling at a minimum. We need to stop shrugging when friends and neighbors split up. A stern lecture is called for in many cases, not sympathy and shared drinks.

    The last president to bring this up, to my knowledge, was HW Bush. Trump could talk about it if he had an ounce of humility... has he said anything about the disgracefulness of divorce?

    Sorry Dumbo, I know this wasn't your main point, but I'm extra irked right now after watching a guy just dump his wife with no discussion. And I know quite well that women can be equally beastly.
  69. @countenance
    The only reason we know who Melinda Gates is, is because she married Bill Gates.

    That makes her qualified to...um...er...em...uh...
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  70. @Half Canadian
    I actually like the idea of her kids cleaning up after themselves. Nothing worse than a spoiled rich kid. Rich kids who have had to work? They're an asset.

    I agree. We used to call those cleaning-up activities “chores.” Parents used to make kids do that stuff back in the day. I guess Americans now have illegal Mexicans do that.

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  71. Dumbo says:
    @Alden
    You know nothing about women and should not spout off about things of which you are totally ignorant. A nerd is a great catch and many are very, very good looking, such as my Stanford engineering and science major boy friends when I was young. Then there is my sisters gorgeous husband who was the lead designer for Expedia and worked for Microsoft and Sperry Rand writing code. 16 hours a day. Their beautiful girls look just like him. My Navy nuke nephew is the exact opposite of nerd.

    The real nerds are the poli sci majors and law students.

    Get out and meet some women.

    “many are very, very good looking”

    Is Bill Gates “gorgeous”? Is Zuck? I don’t think so.

    “A nerd is a great catch”

    OK. First time I hear this, though.

    “My Navy nuke nephew is the exact opposite of nerd”

    “The real nerds are the poli sci majors and law students”

    I’m confused, so are nerds ‘good catches’ or not?

    And what’s a nuke nephew?

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    She means her nephew is a nuclear engineer for the navy. In naval slang, ratings (jobs) are commonly nicknamed:

    Naval (Nuclear) Reactors Engineers (& Related Enlisted Rates): Nukes

    Aviation Electronics (i.e., Avionics) Technicians: 'Trons

    Constructionmen: Seabees (from "C.B." – Construction Battalion)

    Aw, heck, I just realised someone probably already compiled this stuff.
  72. @pyrrhus
    This is the same woman who believed, in a lengthy WSJ interview in 2013, that half of Africans will be middle class by 2030....Clueless ain't in it...

    It hasn’t been welcoming to women now for more than a decade. So it’s something that’s actually been going on for a long time and I don’t think you see it being worked on in a systemic way and I think it needs to be worked on in a systemic way.

    Don’t be so sure she’s clueless. People talk about “Asians” taking over in Silicon Valley, but I’d bet most of the “Asians” are men from the subcontinent. White men may or may not promote women’s interests, but you can be sure the foreign crowd taking over is less invested in Western feminist ideals.

    Now: Can she explicitly state this? Not on your life.

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    • Replies: @TheJester
    You nailed it. Hindu culture is one the most misogynist cultures in the world. Women are at rock bottom of any Hindu caste. And due to the caste system, I cannot think of any culture in the world more incompatible with Western values than Hindu culture ... worse than Islamic culture, especially for women.

    I've seen senior Hindi males operate in American IT companies. Their prejudice against women is evident and open. However, they tend to get away with it ... perhaps because it is hard for HR to hold "diverse" people responsible for being "anti-diverse" at the same time.

    In one measure, India was recently ranked as the worst country for women among developed and emerging countries. Saudi Arabia was the second worst.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/23/why-india-bad-for-women
  73. @Polynices
    LOL: "she still had trouble figuring out precisely how she fit into the male-dominated industry"

    So she married the boss and started pumping out heirs to his fortune! Great fit!

    Exactly. She found the #1 best way for a woman to succeed in high tech.

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  74. @Anon
    Bill is richer than Donald. If Donald gets three superhot wives & Bill gets a ghastly, shrewish pathological altruist SJWitch who squanders his wealth on google, what do we learn about Bill?

    “If Donald gets three superhot wives & Bill gets a ghastly, shrewish pathological altruist SJWitch who squanders his wealth on google, what do we learn about Bill?”

    That his marriage was arranged by the CIA?

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    • Replies: @Pericles

    That his marriage was arranged by the CIA?
     
    I thought that was Obama?
  75. Ganderson says:
    @Jeremy Cooper
    This month's Atlantic has a story that represents what's best about this society and the one you cite, which reflects what is worst. This piece about the grizzled Russian father and his son mitigating global warming through bringing back the wooly mammoth is the coolest thing I've read in a while. Read between the lines, it seems that the father may be a Trump and Putin supporter.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/04/pleistocene-park/517779/

    This story about the future of the biosphere did not make the cover though. That goes to indulging feminist nonsense.

    The cover story of the Atlantic that just arrived at my house bears the headline “why Silicon Valley is so awful to women” Boo hoo

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  76. Dr. X says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Throwing around vague buzzwords and sounding authoritative (despite not knowing jack s***) is a good description of the average business meeting.


    I remember reading an article not too long ago about how Melinda rules her household with an iron fist. She doesn’t allow any of her family to leave the kitchen after meals untild the entire kitchen is clean to her own personal specificiations. This includes Bill—you know, the actual billionaire genius who built the house for her and whose existence is the sole reason anyone listens to Melinda Gates. She said in the article this had something to do with feminism and equality, but really it’s just about her acting like a bully and a shrew.

    Bill is such a whipped nerdy pussy he just goes along with it. Perhaps a nerd like Bill is just grateful he can touch her once a year. But it really makes me have no respect for anything they say outside of strict technical details about computers. He’s sackless dweeb who can’t man up in his own family, she’s a shrill controlling harpy who forces everyone to bow to her whims.
     
    I find it remarkable how many men act like this these days. Even wealthy and powerful men are content to let their wife wear the pants in the relationship. It's not just Americans, I've seen the same in lots of immigrant groups too. I also find it remarkable how shrewish women act these days.

    I remember during one of the debates, Governor Kasich bragged that he wouldn't let any lobbyist or donor tell him what to do. He claimed that the only person who tells him what do is his wife.

    Pathetic.

    Billionaire investor Marcus Lemonis was speaking to an audience. Then he invited up some Indian subcon woman, who stole his chair and busted his balls (7:30 - 20:00).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlS8y4ecmn0

    A billionaire should exude power and strength. Lemonis, despite his success, is henpecked.

    I find it remarkable how many men act like this these days. Even wealthy and powerful men are content to let their wife wear the pants in the relationship.

    This is one of the defining features of the new overclass — the complete acceptance of male-female equality and even female dominance. It’s almost like the guardians of Plato’s Republic among these people. Some of it’s downright pathetic — some cucked dweeb published an essay last year on some left-wing site about how happy he was that his wife went out and got banged by another guy while he stayed home with the kids. Because cheating made her equal to men. Unreal.

    This kind of thing only happens among people who live in a completely artificial bubble, though. Those of us in the working class are quite well aware of gender differences. My wife doesn’t chain saw trees, butcher deer, change oil, or pull transmissions out of pickup trucks like I do. And I don’t let her tell me how to do things. She’s not a feminist… but if she were ever to give me any crap I’d hand her a set of tools and a pair of coveralls and tell her to get after it.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    As with everything else the overclass does, it's all bullshit.

    Many career women end up having to settle for pushovers because they delay pursuing marriage until they're past their prime. They'd still prefer manly men. Their higher level of reported unhappiness is due to their lacking them.
    , @Marina
    SWPL MEN don't do that stuff either, though. In fact, the only reason they all play at gender equality is because they live in cities where there's less of a premium on stuff like upper body strength or male visuospatial ability. Often they are second or third generation urban dwellers. When they move to the burbs, they have the money to hire tradesmen or just replace stuff that breaks. But while they're apartment living, there's no firewood to cut/stack, lawn to mow, or place to fix a car anyway. Even if they do repair stuff themselves, there's fairly little DIY in a city that requires male strength. I do most of the maintenance and renovation on our apartment simply because my husband works long hours, and the biggest hurdle is dealing with the toddler "helping," not lacking the strength to snake the toilet or remove doors or whatever.

    I read a blog by a Nice Lefty Couple that saved up enough money to move from Boston to rural Vermont and semi retire in their early thirties. There was an unintentionally hilarious handwringing post where she detailed that their relocation had caused some changes in their division of labor and her many feminist feels on the subject. Back in the city, he'd cooked while she cleaned, but now on the homestead, they needed to put wood away for the winter, so for a time she cooked while he chopped and stacked firewood. It's not that he was stronger, see, it's just that he was able to swing the axe so much HARDER than she was. This revelation seemed to blow her mind.
  77. @Dumbo

    "many are very, very good looking"
     
    Is Bill Gates "gorgeous"? Is Zuck? I don't think so.

    "A nerd is a great catch"

     

    OK. First time I hear this, though.


    "My Navy nuke nephew is the exact opposite of nerd"
     

    "The real nerds are the poli sci majors and law students"
     
    I'm confused, so are nerds 'good catches' or not?

    And what's a nuke nephew?

    She means her nephew is a nuclear engineer for the navy. In naval slang, ratings (jobs) are commonly nicknamed:

    Naval (Nuclear) Reactors Engineers (& Related Enlisted Rates): Nukes

    Aviation Electronics (i.e., Avionics) Technicians: ‘Trons

    Constructionmen: Seabees (from “C.B.” – Construction Battalion)

    Aw, heck, I just realised someone probably already compiled this stuff.

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  78. @Dan Hayes
    Melinda French - the future wife of Bill Gates - at one point managed the Microsoft Bob project, an undisputed and epic failure.

    Speaking of Bob, the movie What About Bob was on TV yesterday and I was struck by the resemblance between the Bob Wiley/Dr. Leo Marvin dynamic and that enjoyed by Trump/our illustrious elites (sic).

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  79. @Dr. X

    I find it remarkable how many men act like this these days. Even wealthy and powerful men are content to let their wife wear the pants in the relationship.
     
    This is one of the defining features of the new overclass -- the complete acceptance of male-female equality and even female dominance. It's almost like the guardians of Plato's Republic among these people. Some of it's downright pathetic -- some cucked dweeb published an essay last year on some left-wing site about how happy he was that his wife went out and got banged by another guy while he stayed home with the kids. Because cheating made her equal to men. Unreal.

    This kind of thing only happens among people who live in a completely artificial bubble, though. Those of us in the working class are quite well aware of gender differences. My wife doesn't chain saw trees, butcher deer, change oil, or pull transmissions out of pickup trucks like I do. And I don't let her tell me how to do things. She's not a feminist... but if she were ever to give me any crap I'd hand her a set of tools and a pair of coveralls and tell her to get after it.

    As with everything else the overclass does, it’s all bullshit.

    Many career women end up having to settle for pushovers because they delay pursuing marriage until they’re past their prime. They’d still prefer manly men. Their higher level of reported unhappiness is due to their lacking them.

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  80. jimbo says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    It may seem hard to believe now, but Buffett used to rarely give interviews. Less was more.

    That was before CNBC found out that you could send a pretty girl to fawn over him and he’ll talk for hours…

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  81. @TelfoedJohn
    Russia has most female business leaders:
    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-has-most-businesswomen/

    And India is not doing bad for women in tech:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-38253471

    Both countries are not globally known as bastions of feminism. They managed to get there without the blue-haired SJW grievance industry. It's almost as if US women are actually being held back by the whiners.

    The figures in Karlin’s article suggest that Asian immigration is bad for white women in the workforce. All the white countries with high percentages of women business leaders (Poland, Russia, Sweden etc) have limited immigration from Asian countries.

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  82. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Arclight
    No 'woke' intersectionalists are making the case that we need more gender diversity (ie men) in nursing or elementary and secondary education because that's not where the money is.

    No ‘woke’ intersectionalists are making the case that we need more gender diversity (ie men) in nursing or elementary and secondary education because that’s not where the money is.

    Oddly enough there also doesn’t seem to be much pressure for job opportunities for women digging ditches or collecting the trash. It’s just this weird coincidence that gender diversity is desperately needed in well-paid high-status jobs in nice comfy offices. I can’t think why that would be.

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    Oddly enough there also doesn’t seem to be much pressure for job opportunities for women digging ditches or collecting the trash. It’s just this weird coincidence that gender diversity is desperately needed in well-paid high-status jobs in nice comfy offices. I can’t think why that would be.
     
    It's obvious. It is sexist to presume that equality for women in the workforce encompasses anything except high-paying, high-status jobs in climate controlled offices with flexible working hours.

    I thought that memo had been widely distributed.
  83. @Half Canadian
    I actually like the idea of her kids cleaning up after themselves. Nothing worse than a spoiled rich kid. Rich kids who have had to work? They're an asset.

    I actually like the idea of her kids cleaning up after themselves. Nothing worse than a spoiled rich kid. Rich kids who have had to work? They’re an asset.

    From today’s Washington Post David Rockefeller obit, who died yesterday at the age of 101.

    John D. Rockefeller Jr…. drove into his children a sense of noblesse oblige and a commitment to hard work.

    Young David, who grew up in the largest private residence in New York City, was required to do chores. At 7, he spent eight hours a day raking leaves on the family’s 3,400-acre estate in Westchester County. In Maine, where the family owned a summer home, he pulled weeds by hand, earning a penny a weed.

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  84. KunioKun says:

    Attacking computer programmers is fun and easy. Nobody knows what the hell they do so the media can create a one dimensional cartoon character, and everybody believes it.

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  85. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Half Canadian
    I actually like the idea of her kids cleaning up after themselves. Nothing worse than a spoiled rich kid. Rich kids who have had to work? They're an asset.

    You’re missing the point: old Bill is forced to do the “chores” to his wife’s standards. In other words, she’s his slavemaster.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Somehow I suspect that Bill Gates usually gets what he wants.

    In 1988, my wife and I were staying with my friend Johan and his wife Emmy in Seattle. My wife asked Emmy if she'd like to go to the zoo on Sunday. Emmy broke into tears. She finally said, "We can't go to the zoo with you on Sunday because we have to jump out of an airplane with Bill Gates and we're going to die!"

  86. @whorefinder
    You're missing the point: old Bill is forced to do the "chores" to his wife's standards. In other words, she's his slavemaster.

    Somehow I suspect that Bill Gates usually gets what he wants.

    In 1988, my wife and I were staying with my friend Johan and his wife Emmy in Seattle. My wife asked Emmy if she’d like to go to the zoo on Sunday. Emmy broke into tears. She finally said, “We can’t go to the zoo with you on Sunday because we have to jump out of an airplane with Bill Gates and we’re going to die!”

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Your story needs a bit of context, but Bill didn't marry Melinda until 1994. As women are won't to do, she didn't start gelding Bill until he was locked down either in marriage or closer to the wedding date. At the beginning it's all "Sure honey, I love monster truck rallies!" and then when the hooks are in it's all "you're selling your baseball card collection and moving closer to my parents."

    Plus the very fact that Bill allowed her to speak about him like she was in charge speaks volumes. Merely allowing yourself to be perceived as subservient is a sign of subservience, unless there's some double-secret swerve you're planning.
  87. Rod1963 says:
    @Clyde
    If I were Bill I would have married a hot model whose 50 year old mother looked in great shape. Hot model with brains, with mothering instincts intact.

    They’re nerds who until they became rich had no social life or interaction with women, let alone how to choose a mate say by looking at the GF’s pedigree – IOW how her mother looks, checking to see if mental illness runs in the family, etc.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Last time I was in Seattle, our hosts had to go parachuting with Bill Gates and his girlfriend at the time as part of the long-drawn-out Bill Gates Potential Wife Evaluation Process.
    , @Njguy73

    IOW how her mother looks, checking to see if mental illness runs in the family, etc.
     
    That's the one thing I tell every guy I know who's just starting to date a woman.

    Let's just say I believe in stopping vicious cycles.
  88. @dc.sunsets
    All three of my sons who went into STEM fields complained at one time or another how much a sausage-fest were their college classes.

    The very notion that men are keeping women out of tech on purpose is too absurd to describe. It's more that the guys who are "right" for those occupations are already tired of being the one guy who does all the work for every "group project" they were assigned from Middle School onward.

    We any of us live to see occupations stop being treated like a cake to be divvied up "fairly" among the mouths nearby?

    Right. Some startup should just scoop up all those female super coders everybody else has been ignoring. That’ll show them.

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  89. @Rod1963
    They're nerds who until they became rich had no social life or interaction with women, let alone how to choose a mate say by looking at the GF's pedigree - IOW how her mother looks, checking to see if mental illness runs in the family, etc.

    Last time I was in Seattle, our hosts had to go parachuting with Bill Gates and his girlfriend at the time as part of the long-drawn-out Bill Gates Potential Wife Evaluation Process.

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    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    Factored into his future partner evaluations would be one to provide cover protecting his wealth by parroting and promoting do-gooder nonsense - the Eleanor Roosevelt role model on steroids.
    , @res
    Given the result I have to wonder about the "long-drawn-out Bill Gates Potential Wife Evaluation Process."

    A sincere side question would be: is he happy with the result? That would seem to be the success criterion.

    P.S. Dan Hayes makes an interesting point.
  90. Dan Hayes says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Last time I was in Seattle, our hosts had to go parachuting with Bill Gates and his girlfriend at the time as part of the long-drawn-out Bill Gates Potential Wife Evaluation Process.

    Steve,

    Factored into his future partner evaluations would be one to provide cover protecting his wealth by parroting and promoting do-gooder nonsense – the Eleanor Roosevelt role model on steroids.

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  91. Dee says:

    The Original Sin was letting womyn vote; it’s been all down hill since then…as some of you might have noticed…REPEAL the 19th!!!! NO RENTERS voting!!! ONLY landowners. Then we’ll get it back to what it should be!!!

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  92. Rod1963 says:
    @Alden
    You know nothing about women and should not spout off about things of which you are totally ignorant. A nerd is a great catch and many are very, very good looking, such as my Stanford engineering and science major boy friends when I was young. Then there is my sisters gorgeous husband who was the lead designer for Expedia and worked for Microsoft and Sperry Rand writing code. 16 hours a day. Their beautiful girls look just like him. My Navy nuke nephew is the exact opposite of nerd.

    The real nerds are the poli sci majors and law students.

    Get out and meet some women.

    If he coded 16 hours a day, he must have looked like crap, because I’ve worked with code monkeys who put in such hours. They inevitably wreck their health, their wives screw men on the side since hubby is a basket case by the time he gets home and the kids don’t respect dear old dad because he’s never home and when he is, he’s asleep.

    Usually that type burns out by 40 and ends up divorced. Silicon Valley used to be littered with this sort.

    That said most technical nerds are boorish, interchangeable, socially awkward beta males that radiate weakness. All the attributes that turn off most women.

    I remember a Windows XP device driver course I attended in San Jose – At first I thought it was a meeting for people with Autism – all that was missing were the crash helmets. 40 young men all with jittery feet furiously pumping up and down as the teacher lectured about the internals of XP. Very creepy

    Could have been a scene out of “Village of the Damned”.

    At break time there was silence. They wandered out of the class and just milled about in silence for 15 minutes. It was impossible to strike up a conversation with them. They just looked at the ground and that was it. No ability to socialize. I’ve met ex-convicts with more on the ball than these mooks

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  93. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    Somehow I suspect that Bill Gates usually gets what he wants.

    In 1988, my wife and I were staying with my friend Johan and his wife Emmy in Seattle. My wife asked Emmy if she'd like to go to the zoo on Sunday. Emmy broke into tears. She finally said, "We can't go to the zoo with you on Sunday because we have to jump out of an airplane with Bill Gates and we're going to die!"

    Your story needs a bit of context, but Bill didn’t marry Melinda until 1994. As women are won’t to do, she didn’t start gelding Bill until he was locked down either in marriage or closer to the wedding date. At the beginning it’s all “Sure honey, I love monster truck rallies!” and then when the hooks are in it’s all “you’re selling your baseball card collection and moving closer to my parents.”

    Plus the very fact that Bill allowed her to speak about him like she was in charge speaks volumes. Merely allowing yourself to be perceived as subservient is a sign of subservience, unless there’s some double-secret swerve you’re planning.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Like I said, Bill Gates usually gets what he wants. That poor Emmy didn't want to jump out of an airplane with Bill Gates, or with anybody, was not something that was of concern to him.
  94. @whorefinder
    Your story needs a bit of context, but Bill didn't marry Melinda until 1994. As women are won't to do, she didn't start gelding Bill until he was locked down either in marriage or closer to the wedding date. At the beginning it's all "Sure honey, I love monster truck rallies!" and then when the hooks are in it's all "you're selling your baseball card collection and moving closer to my parents."

    Plus the very fact that Bill allowed her to speak about him like she was in charge speaks volumes. Merely allowing yourself to be perceived as subservient is a sign of subservience, unless there's some double-secret swerve you're planning.

    Like I said, Bill Gates usually gets what he wants. That poor Emmy didn’t want to jump out of an airplane with Bill Gates, or with anybody, was not something that was of concern to him.

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  95. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I believe the Gates’ invested over a billion dollars to educate blacks in a more efficient manner, then abandoned the project after the results didn’t conform to their perceived goals.

    Wonder what went wrong?

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=491_1394804893

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  96. Pericles says:
    @Drapetomaniac
    "If Donald gets three superhot wives & Bill gets a ghastly, shrewish pathological altruist SJWitch who squanders his wealth on google, what do we learn about Bill?"

    That his marriage was arranged by the CIA?

    That his marriage was arranged by the CIA?

    I thought that was Obama?

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  97. Olorin says:
    @Polynices
    LOL: "she still had trouble figuring out precisely how she fit into the male-dominated industry"

    So she married the boss and started pumping out heirs to his fortune! Great fit!

    That was my read exactly.

    I mean, what did she think she was going to do in the job she was originally hired for–invent a new operating system or something?

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  98. TheJester says:
    @TomSchmidt
    It hasn’t been welcoming to women now for more than a decade. So it’s something that’s actually been going on for a long time and I don’t think you see it being worked on in a systemic way and I think it needs to be worked on in a systemic way.

    Don't be so sure she's clueless. People talk about "Asians" taking over in Silicon Valley, but I'd bet most of the "Asians" are men from the subcontinent. White men may or may not promote women's interests, but you can be sure the foreign crowd taking over is less invested in Western feminist ideals.

    Now: Can she explicitly state this? Not on your life.

    You nailed it. Hindu culture is one the most misogynist cultures in the world. Women are at rock bottom of any Hindu caste. And due to the caste system, I cannot think of any culture in the world more incompatible with Western values than Hindu culture … worse than Islamic culture, especially for women.

    I’ve seen senior Hindi males operate in American IT companies. Their prejudice against women is evident and open. However, they tend to get away with it … perhaps because it is hard for HR to hold “diverse” people responsible for being “anti-diverse” at the same time.

    In one measure, India was recently ranked as the worst country for women among developed and emerging countries. Saudi Arabia was the second worst.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/23/why-india-bad-for-women

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    The one Indian I've ever cared for and befriended is a lady who treats the idea of returning to live in India the way a Jewish homosexual might have treated the idea of moving to Berlin c. 1940. She was previously in an arranged marriage wherein her husband regularly beat and raped her until she realised that in the U.S.A. we don't put up with that shit, so she divorced him and dedicated herself (successfully) to obtaining citizenship with superhuman efforts.

    For all of that, she is a True Beliver in Diversity. Go figure....

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Except that the Indian H-1b programmers include as many women as the general American IT workforce.

    A Computerworld analysis of U.S. Census Bureau American Community Survey data from 2010 to 2014 showed that overall, 27% of the U.S. tech workforce is female. Among people born in India and working in U.S. tech jobs — immigrants and green-card holders as well as those on visas — 27.8% are female, roughly similar. (Want to explore this data yourself? Download the data file as part of our free Insider program.) But more data is needed to complete the picture of H-1B demographics, which may be considerably different than those of foreign-born citizens.

     

    Indian IT companies do hire women. They just hire Indian women. The issue with the Indian outsources and hiring managers isn't that they're misogynistic. The issue is that they hire their ethnicity instead of Americans.
  99. @JohnnyWalker123
    The H-1Bs have taken a very large fraction of the programming jobs. Before the H1bs started showing up in massive numbers, software companies used to hire and train more women. So if Mrs. Gates wants to blame someone for poor female representation in the software industry, she should yell at her husband and every CEO that abused the H-1B system rather than hire Americans. See quote below.

    In 2013, only 26% of computing professionals were female -- down considerably from 35% in 1990 and virtually the same as in 1960. While the percentage of women in engineering has risen since 1990, the progress is modest --rising from 9% in 1990 to 12% in 2013.

     

    The percentage of female programmers is lower than 1990 and the same as in 1960.

    Russia has most female business leaders:

     

    Lots of Russian men are alcoholic layabouts. So it's not really that they respect women, as much as it's because too many of them are Boris Yeltsins. That creates more opportunities for women.

    And India is not doing bad for women in tech:

     

    Indians are Tiger Daughters. So I'd imagine they want their girls in high paying jobs.

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3050365/it-careers/how-many-h-1b-workers-are-male-us-wont-say.html

    A Computerworld analysis of U.S. Census Bureau American Community Survey data from 2010 to 2014 showed that overall, 27% of the U.S. tech workforce is female. Among people born in India and working in U.S. tech jobs -- immigrants and green-card holders as well as those on visas -- 27.8% are female, roughly similar. (Want to explore this data yourself? Download the data file as part of our free Insider program.) But more data is needed to complete the picture of H-1B demographics, which may be considerably different than those of foreign-born citizens.

     

    The reality is that women are, generally speaking, unqualified to be computer programmers.
    Companies will only hire them if the American labor market is tight and there aren't any alternatives. Unfortunately, in modern day America, the American labor market now extends to the entire world. So why hire a woman?

    As for the H-1Bs, the evidence suggests that ethnic networking (ie nepotism along caste/linguistic lines) is how Indians took over the IT indutry. The initial wave of early/mid 90s H-1bs were highly qualified and many got into management positions. They then purged a lot of the American workers and brought in their less qualified co-ethnics. They also began subcontracting to Indian companies, both here and abraod. While a few of the H-1bs are undoubtedly very bright, the bulk are subpar programmers who got hired because they're the same caste/ethnicity as their boss. At no point did Bill and Melinda Gates do anything about this.

    Yes this is the problem with ‘cognitive elitism’. It goes against human nature to favor smart foreigners over dumb kinsfolk. The kinsfolk get preference every time.

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  100. Njguy73 says:
    @Rod1963
    They're nerds who until they became rich had no social life or interaction with women, let alone how to choose a mate say by looking at the GF's pedigree - IOW how her mother looks, checking to see if mental illness runs in the family, etc.

    IOW how her mother looks, checking to see if mental illness runs in the family, etc.

    That’s the one thing I tell every guy I know who’s just starting to date a woman.

    Let’s just say I believe in stopping vicious cycles.

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  101. Njguy73 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Throwing around vague buzzwords and sounding authoritative (despite not knowing jack s***) is a good description of the average business meeting.


    I remember reading an article not too long ago about how Melinda rules her household with an iron fist. She doesn’t allow any of her family to leave the kitchen after meals untild the entire kitchen is clean to her own personal specificiations. This includes Bill—you know, the actual billionaire genius who built the house for her and whose existence is the sole reason anyone listens to Melinda Gates. She said in the article this had something to do with feminism and equality, but really it’s just about her acting like a bully and a shrew.

    Bill is such a whipped nerdy pussy he just goes along with it. Perhaps a nerd like Bill is just grateful he can touch her once a year. But it really makes me have no respect for anything they say outside of strict technical details about computers. He’s sackless dweeb who can’t man up in his own family, she’s a shrill controlling harpy who forces everyone to bow to her whims.
     
    I find it remarkable how many men act like this these days. Even wealthy and powerful men are content to let their wife wear the pants in the relationship. It's not just Americans, I've seen the same in lots of immigrant groups too. I also find it remarkable how shrewish women act these days.

    I remember during one of the debates, Governor Kasich bragged that he wouldn't let any lobbyist or donor tell him what to do. He claimed that the only person who tells him what do is his wife.

    Pathetic.

    Billionaire investor Marcus Lemonis was speaking to an audience. Then he invited up some Indian subcon woman, who stole his chair and busted his balls (7:30 - 20:00).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlS8y4ecmn0

    A billionaire should exude power and strength. Lemonis, despite his success, is henpecked.

    A billionaire should exude power and strength.

    No. Millionaires need to exude power and strength. Billionaires can afford to be whipped.

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  102. Njguy73 says:
    @S. Anonyia
    Why are people like Melinda Gates so boring? And Bill, for that matter.

    She has all the money & time in the world, and what does she do with it? Basically, the same kind of trite charity work every other suburban soccer mom does, but on a larger scale.

    She could fund any movie project she wants, circumvent the world in a yacht, build parks or other public monuments, patronize artists, even sell crappy ghost-written books......but no, all she wants to do is lecture & show the world what a nice good person she is.

    Look at she and Bill's "recommended book list": https://www.gatesnotes.com/About-Bill-Gates/10-Books-Recommended-to-TED

    These are some dull, dull people.

    “To be smart enough to get all that money you must be dull enough to want it.” ~ G. K. Chesterton

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  103. I have worked in IT in several companies. In all of the IT jobs I had, women were the department managers or my supervisors. I currently work for a large healthcare company with an IT department of 300 people. Roughly half are women. Women hold many of the management positions. I do not remember anybody treating women any different in school or in the field. A lot of women, at companies that I worked for, are or were unsatisfied with their jobs or were angry at the way that the company treated them but never did they accuse anybody of sexism. These women voiced the same issues that many men did.

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  104. I am not sure why there is such a push to get people into a field that is extremely tedious and filled with stress and long hours with no recognition for the work you do. Gee whiz, men get all that? I want that too!

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    Its associated with high status, and everyone wants status.
  105. Ben Frank says:

    HOORAY!
    “I think we’ll have so much hidden bias coded into the system that we won’t even realize all the places that we have it”

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  106. TheJester says:
    @dfordoom

    No ‘woke’ intersectionalists are making the case that we need more gender diversity (ie men) in nursing or elementary and secondary education because that’s not where the money is.
     
    Oddly enough there also doesn't seem to be much pressure for job opportunities for women digging ditches or collecting the trash. It's just this weird coincidence that gender diversity is desperately needed in well-paid high-status jobs in nice comfy offices. I can't think why that would be.

    Oddly enough there also doesn’t seem to be much pressure for job opportunities for women digging ditches or collecting the trash. It’s just this weird coincidence that gender diversity is desperately needed in well-paid high-status jobs in nice comfy offices. I can’t think why that would be.

    It’s obvious. It is sexist to presume that equality for women in the workforce encompasses anything except high-paying, high-status jobs in climate controlled offices with flexible working hours.

    I thought that memo had been widely distributed.

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  107. Marina says:
    @Dr. X

    I find it remarkable how many men act like this these days. Even wealthy and powerful men are content to let their wife wear the pants in the relationship.
     
    This is one of the defining features of the new overclass -- the complete acceptance of male-female equality and even female dominance. It's almost like the guardians of Plato's Republic among these people. Some of it's downright pathetic -- some cucked dweeb published an essay last year on some left-wing site about how happy he was that his wife went out and got banged by another guy while he stayed home with the kids. Because cheating made her equal to men. Unreal.

    This kind of thing only happens among people who live in a completely artificial bubble, though. Those of us in the working class are quite well aware of gender differences. My wife doesn't chain saw trees, butcher deer, change oil, or pull transmissions out of pickup trucks like I do. And I don't let her tell me how to do things. She's not a feminist... but if she were ever to give me any crap I'd hand her a set of tools and a pair of coveralls and tell her to get after it.

    SWPL MEN don’t do that stuff either, though. In fact, the only reason they all play at gender equality is because they live in cities where there’s less of a premium on stuff like upper body strength or male visuospatial ability. Often they are second or third generation urban dwellers. When they move to the burbs, they have the money to hire tradesmen or just replace stuff that breaks. But while they’re apartment living, there’s no firewood to cut/stack, lawn to mow, or place to fix a car anyway. Even if they do repair stuff themselves, there’s fairly little DIY in a city that requires male strength. I do most of the maintenance and renovation on our apartment simply because my husband works long hours, and the biggest hurdle is dealing with the toddler “helping,” not lacking the strength to snake the toilet or remove doors or whatever.

    I read a blog by a Nice Lefty Couple that saved up enough money to move from Boston to rural Vermont and semi retire in their early thirties. There was an unintentionally hilarious handwringing post where she detailed that their relocation had caused some changes in their division of labor and her many feminist feels on the subject. Back in the city, he’d cooked while she cleaned, but now on the homestead, they needed to put wood away for the winter, so for a time she cooked while he chopped and stacked firewood. It’s not that he was stronger, see, it’s just that he was able to swing the axe so much HARDER than she was. This revelation seemed to blow her mind.

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    It’s not that he was stronger, see, it’s just that he was able to swing the axe so much HARDER than she was.
     
    This is like someone saying that someone else isn't smarter, they just have higher SAT scores
  108. res says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Last time I was in Seattle, our hosts had to go parachuting with Bill Gates and his girlfriend at the time as part of the long-drawn-out Bill Gates Potential Wife Evaluation Process.

    Given the result I have to wonder about the “long-drawn-out Bill Gates Potential Wife Evaluation Process.”

    A sincere side question would be: is he happy with the result? That would seem to be the success criterion.

    P.S. Dan Hayes makes an interesting point.

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  109. Lex Corvus says: • Website
    @Clyde
    Aggravating hearing ultra-wealthy dodos pontificating (aka talking their book) plus she only got there by marrying Bill Gates. But the average person here will lap this up as "wisdom from our billionaire betters".
    I have often read that Melinda is the prime mover in the racist Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation. Racist because they have their Millennium Scholars that gives out college scholarships to those who qualify unless he/she is white. Chinese boy who parachutes in here at age 15 to attend a US high school can apply. Your children-grandchildren need not apply, cannot apply.

    ________

    GMS – The Gates Millennium Scholars Program
    www.gmsp.org
    Gates Millennium Scholars Program. Promoting Academic Excellence + Providing Opportunities + Reducing Financial Barriers. For 20,000 outstanding students of color.
    Scholar Portals · GMS Program · Scholar Profiles · Distinguished Scholars · Contact Us · FAQs

    That hypothetical Chinese boy wouldn’t qualify; the Gates Millennium Scholarship is even more communist than it looks at first glance—it’s open only to “African American, American Indian/Alaska Native, Asian Pacific Islander American, and Hispanic American students.”

    Jimmy Fong and Prakash Krishnamurti (much less John Smith) need not apply.

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    Thanks! I blew that one. You are correct.
    , @Triumph104
    The Gates Millennium Scholarship fund for low-income students ended in 2016 but it was open to Asians & Pacific Islander Americans, everyone except whites.

    Quang Kieu is the epitome of an Elite Scholar, according to Stephanie Brown, lead counselor at Elite Scholars Academy.

    Brown said the youth was recently accepted to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and he was named a Gates Millennium Scholars Finalist.

    ... “In November of 2008, Quang and his family immigrated to the United States from Vietnam when he was in the fifth grade, only knowing a little bit of English,” she explained. “I can remember him taking tests with a dictionary in one hand because he could not communicate fully without it.”

    Deficient, at first, in his command of the English language, “he still made all A’s in all six of his classes.”

    http://www.news-daily.com/features/elite-scholar-bound-for-bright-future/article_9e6a5f69-db31-573d-880e-45fd457dd804.html
     


    Jay Patel

    Patel is the first non-Hispanic Woodburn High School student to earn a Gates scholarship. He was born in Oregon but his parents are from the Indian state of Gujarat.

    His parents, along with the rest of their family, immigrated to Canada before he was born, and later, the United States.

    Most of his extended family went into the hospitality industry, including his parents, who are the longtime owners of the Budget Inn Motel in Woodburn. Patel said he has been helping his parents with that work for as long as he can remember.

    http://portlandtribune.com/wbi/152-news/258416-129846-trio-of-whs-students-wins-gates-scholarships
     

    , @Triumph104
    Chinese parachute boy:

    May 27, 2016

    For Niles North High School graduate, Jinbin Cao, Chicago deep dish pizza ranks up there with learning that he'll be getting "a free ride" on his UIC college tuition and grad school thanks to being named a recipient of the 2016 Gates Millennium Scholarship.

    "Today is one of my greatest honors," Cao told the Niles Township High School board of education during its May 24 meeting.

    Cao and his mother came to the Chicago area from China in February, 2014. Cao hit the books at Niles North and tried to learn English as his mother worked a minimum wage job and his father continued working in China.

    "It was a hard time for me at the beginning," Cao said. "I studied hard every day. Hopefully all my efforts pay back."

    ... Cao's said his father made the journey from China for Cao's Niles North high school graduation and both of Cao's parents were also at the May 24 board meeting with their son.

    Cao told the board that he knew very little English when he arrived at the high school that cold February day in 2014. He said along the way he has developed a love for Chicago deep-dish pizza and a passion for learning and studying. He also thanked the teachers and others in the school district who helped him along the way.
     

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/skokie/news/ct-skr-gates-millennium-scholarship-tl-0526-20160527-story.html
  110. @Dumbo
    I think it's a question of personality. A guy like Trump will have appeal with models. Nerdy guy like Gates or Zuck, not so much.

    Yes, the models may marry them for their money but they would likely also divorce them in record time.

    While the SJW-types shrews are glad to remain married and use the money for some stupid leftist cause to vent their sexual frustration.

    People divorce their spouses because they can. It needs to get harder and less acceptable. Waiting times, mandatory counseling at a minimum. We need to stop shrugging when friends and neighbors split up. A stern lecture is called for in many cases, not sympathy and shared drinks.

    The last president to bring this up, to my knowledge, was HW Bush. Trump could talk about it if he had an ounce of humility… has he said anything about the disgracefulness of divorce?

    Sorry Dumbo, I know this wasn’t your main point, but I’m extra irked right now after watching a guy just dump his wife with no discussion. And I know quite well that women can be equally beastly.

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    People divorce their spouses because they can. It needs to get harder and less acceptable.
     
    I totally agree. Easy divorce is one of the many liberal social experiments that have been inflicted on us, and it's time to admit that it's been a failure.

    Easy divorce plus readily available contraception doomed the family.
  111. anarchyst says:
    @Dr. X

    But even for a woman with a degree in computer science and technical skills in her blood (Gates’ father was an engineer) she still had trouble figuring out precisely how she fit into the male-dominated industry.
     
    Interesting, isn't it, how the article assumes the genetic heritability of favorable traits when trying to explain how a women should have fit in but instead was the supposed victim of gender discrimination... yet one could never print an article assuming that the lack of a heritable trait is the cause of female, or black, failure.

    Gates father was a lawyer, a part of one of Seattle’s most prestigious law firms.
    Bill Gates was not that smart…he was “in the right place at the right time”…he purchased an operating system from a REAL programmer (Gary Kildall) for $20,000. His “genius” came from the tight “licensing agreement” that his daddy’s law firm crafted. At that time, one could not purchase the software separately from the hardware. One had to purchase the software along with a computer. This, in itself assured that there would be a “customer base”.
    Compared to Linux, Microsoft products approach that of bloatware, having to reboot the computer at least once per day to flush out the cr@p…

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    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Bill Gates' other stroke of genius was having a mother on the United Way's national board.

    She had been a regent at the University of Washington since 1975, the same year she became the first woman to serve as a director of First Interstate Bank and the first to serve as the president of the King County's United Way. She was later appointed to the board of the United Way of America; in 1983, she became the first woman to lead it. Right Time, Right Place

    Her tenure on the national board's executive committee is believed to have helped Microsoft, based in Seattle, at a crucial time. In 1980, she discussed with John R. Opel, a fellow committee member who was the chairman of the International Business Machines Corporation, the business that I.B.M. was doing with Microsoft.

    Mr. Opel, by some accounts, mentioned Mrs. Gates to other I.B.M. executives. A few weeks later, I.B.M. took a chance by hiring Microsoft, then a small software firm, to develop an operating system for its first personal computer.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/11/obituaries/mary-gates-64-helped-her-son-start-microsoft.html
     
    Bill Gates philanthropy efforts are not the work of a genius. Ignoring his Common Core nonsense, he spent $2 billion on US K-12 with results that "fell short" of expectations. He has spent another $2 billion on scholarships for non-whites, yet the percentage of black and Hispanics currently working at Microsoft would indicate that Gates has had no interest in having any of these scholarship recipients work for him after they graduate college.

    While Gates is focusing his genius on academic achievement for minority students in public schools, his three children are attending his private school alma mater, Lakeside School, where his buddy Steve Ballmer has brought in academically unqualified black boys as ringers to play on Ballmer's son's basketball team.

    Bill Gates is trying to increase the lifespan of Africans while simultaneously trying to lower their fertility rate. Unbenownst to Gates, Africans will continue to have children because there are no social safety nets, few, if any, land rights, and Africans, both Christian and Muslim, are very religious with an attitude of "God will provide" when it comes to children.
    , @AnotherDad

    Bill Gates was not that smart…he was “in the right place at the right time”…
     
    It's hardly worth wading into this foolishness.

    Bill Gates was obviously "in the right place at the right time" so was ... Washington, Lincoln, Eisenhower, Carnegie, Rockefeller, Ford. It's the nature of the beast. But it takes more than just that. I'm not much younger than Gates and had programmed a computer before Microsoft was founded ... I don't seem to have $80 billion in my bank account.

    And yes Bill Gates is a pretty darn smart guy. Is he Isaac Newton? Hell no. But then none of these other tech titans are either from what I can tell. Gates grabbed up a lucrative opportunity and then managed to not fumble it and become irrelevant through three or four tech transitions-GUI, client-server, Internet, mobility--that often screw up the incumbent companies. (Word Perfect? Borland? Lotus? Novell? Sun? Yahoo?) Really only this cell-phone thing and cloud seem to be a potential downfall.

    Bottom line, the real *enabling* technology is not software, but hardware. What these hardware guys have been able to do in terms of circuit size\density and hence speed on these chips. Incredible stuff. This opened up the opportunity for cheap affordable "personal" computing. And to have the scale for this to be truly cheap and affordable for all, an OS\API standard for commodity hardware really helped. And by having that scale, you can build an OS with all sorts of bells and whistles and sell it for peanuts. Gates was smart enough to get that and take advantage. And that sort of "mass market"--Walmart--approach is what made computing affordable for everyone. (As opposed to the sniffy boutique Apple model.)

    Is the Gates foundation doing great work? Mostly no. Gates is a "want to do the right thing" kind of guy. But while he's definitely "aware"--probably a lot more than he lets on, based on the obsessions that he has with IQ--he's not aware enough to overcome the modern liberal PC environment. So yeah, he's a much sharper businessman than he is philanthropist. He's hardly alone in this respect.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    Not quite. Gary Kildall wrote/owned the CP/M OS. Legend has it that IBM went to see him first but he was off flying his plane, or something. IBM approached Gates and he said yes I have an OS to sell you. He then bought MS/DOS from some shlub in Seattle. His real genius was reserving the right to sell the OS himself. Voila, he has an IBM approved OS to sell at a time when corporate America would buy anything IBM approved of. That and VisiCalc/Lotus took the world by storm.

    One of the reasons Windows is still such a kludge is that MS goes to extraordinary lengths to maintain backwards compatibility; Apple tells its users to go buy new apps every few years if they want to run the new OS. Guess who has the reputation for being rigid?

  112. @Mike Zwick
    I am not sure why there is such a push to get people into a field that is extremely tedious and filled with stress and long hours with no recognition for the work you do. Gee whiz, men get all that? I want that too!

    Its associated with high status, and everyone wants status.

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  113. @Clyde
    If I were Bill I would have married a hot model whose 50 year old mother looked in great shape. Hot model with brains, with mothering instincts intact.

    If I were Bill I would have married a hot model whose 50 year old mother looked in great shape. Hot model with brains, with mothering instincts intact.

    Melinda French was a fine choice for Bill. She’s smart and conscientious–her private Catholic HS valedictorian, Duke, Duke business school–was\is at least reasonably attractive (certainly above average). Bill’s a–not all that in the closest–eugenicist, and Melinda was bringing a good package of genes to the table, as well as a good set of skills for mothering. If you had introduced him to a “hot model” with Melinda’s packaged of mental skills, i’m sure Bill would have been interested. Such women certainly exist, but they are thin on the ground, and may not like Bill’s particular package of traits. (The ones for whom the billions overruled everything else probably aren’t the ones you want.)

    Melinda would have been just fine … circa 1960. She’s have popped out a passel of kids–she did three which isn’t bad for this day and age–and done a good job mothering them. If she had any extra cycles and wanted to “do more”, then she’d be on the PTA or working to improve the library or some other community do-gooderism.

    The problem here is the modern order. Where we let women run loose with their nurturing and “improving” instincts and take it seriously. And worse take their complaining–that everything is not ordered precisely as they like, that the waters do not part for them on cue–seriously.

    Despite the annoying PC nature of most everything that Melinda does, I will give her a bit of credit for bringing up population control and putting that on her do-gooderism agenda. While that was a given–conventional wisdom–circa 1970, it’s practically bold in today’s PC–addled environment where all problems stem from white men, and those of darker hue are responsible for no aspect of their state and can not be criticized.

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    AnotherDad,

    With your permission let me succinctly sum it up as follows:


    Linda is blessed with all the bad qualities and none of the good qualities of modern-day sisterhood.

    , @Brutusale
    Average looks at best.

    I have many orders of magnitude less money than Bill, but my girlfriend has 3 years on Melinda and is better looking and in better shape. The girl would also tell Mr. & Mrs. Gates that, given her years ministering to pathologies of the very same sorts that they are trying to uplift, they're wasting their time and money.

    Again, Larry Ellison is my hero, using his money to live the life of a Bond villain!
  114. @anarchyst
    Gates father was a lawyer, a part of one of Seattle's most prestigious law firms.
    Bill Gates was not that smart...he was "in the right place at the right time"...he purchased an operating system from a REAL programmer (Gary Kildall) for $20,000. His "genius" came from the tight "licensing agreement" that his daddy's law firm crafted. At that time, one could not purchase the software separately from the hardware. One had to purchase the software along with a computer. This, in itself assured that there would be a "customer base".
    Compared to Linux, Microsoft products approach that of bloatware, having to reboot the computer at least once per day to flush out the cr@p...

    Bill Gates’ other stroke of genius was having a mother on the United Way’s national board.

    She had been a regent at the University of Washington since 1975, the same year she became the first woman to serve as a director of First Interstate Bank and the first to serve as the president of the King County’s United Way. She was later appointed to the board of the United Way of America; in 1983, she became the first woman to lead it. Right Time, Right Place

    Her tenure on the national board’s executive committee is believed to have helped Microsoft, based in Seattle, at a crucial time. In 1980, she discussed with John R. Opel, a fellow committee member who was the chairman of the International Business Machines Corporation, the business that I.B.M. was doing with Microsoft.

    Mr. Opel, by some accounts, mentioned Mrs. Gates to other I.B.M. executives. A few weeks later, I.B.M. took a chance by hiring Microsoft, then a small software firm, to develop an operating system for its first personal computer.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/11/obituaries/mary-gates-64-helped-her-son-start-microsoft.html

    Bill Gates philanthropy efforts are not the work of a genius. Ignoring his Common Core nonsense, he spent $2 billion on US K-12 with results that “fell short” of expectations. He has spent another $2 billion on scholarships for non-whites, yet the percentage of black and Hispanics currently working at Microsoft would indicate that Gates has had no interest in having any of these scholarship recipients work for him after they graduate college.

    While Gates is focusing his genius on academic achievement for minority students in public schools, his three children are attending his private school alma mater, Lakeside School, where his buddy Steve Ballmer has brought in academically unqualified black boys as ringers to play on Ballmer’s son’s basketball team.

    Bill Gates is trying to increase the lifespan of Africans while simultaneously trying to lower their fertility rate. Unbenownst to Gates, Africans will continue to have children because there are no social safety nets, few, if any, land rights, and Africans, both Christian and Muslim, are very religious with an attitude of “God will provide” when it comes to children.

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  115. Dan Hayes says:
    @AnotherDad

    If I were Bill I would have married a hot model whose 50 year old mother looked in great shape. Hot model with brains, with mothering instincts intact.
     
    Melinda French was a fine choice for Bill. She's smart and conscientious--her private Catholic HS valedictorian, Duke, Duke business school--was\is at least reasonably attractive (certainly above average). Bill's a--not all that in the closest--eugenicist, and Melinda was bringing a good package of genes to the table, as well as a good set of skills for mothering. If you had introduced him to a "hot model" with Melinda's packaged of mental skills, i'm sure Bill would have been interested. Such women certainly exist, but they are thin on the ground, and may not like Bill's particular package of traits. (The ones for whom the billions overruled everything else probably aren't the ones you want.)

    Melinda would have been just fine ... circa 1960. She's have popped out a passel of kids--she did three which isn't bad for this day and age--and done a good job mothering them. If she had any extra cycles and wanted to "do more", then she'd be on the PTA or working to improve the library or some other community do-gooderism.

    The problem here is the modern order. Where we let women run loose with their nurturing and "improving" instincts and take it seriously. And worse take their complaining--that everything is not ordered precisely as they like, that the waters do not part for them on cue--seriously.

    Despite the annoying PC nature of most everything that Melinda does, I will give her a bit of credit for bringing up population control and putting that on her do-gooderism agenda. While that was a given--conventional wisdom--circa 1970, it's practically bold in today's PC--addled environment where all problems stem from white men, and those of darker hue are responsible for no aspect of their state and can not be criticized.

    AnotherDad,

    With your permission let me succinctly sum it up as follows:

    Linda is blessed with all the bad qualities and none of the good qualities of modern-day sisterhood.

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  116. @Alden
    You know nothing about women and should not spout off about things of which you are totally ignorant. A nerd is a great catch and many are very, very good looking, such as my Stanford engineering and science major boy friends when I was young. Then there is my sisters gorgeous husband who was the lead designer for Expedia and worked for Microsoft and Sperry Rand writing code. 16 hours a day. Their beautiful girls look just like him. My Navy nuke nephew is the exact opposite of nerd.

    The real nerds are the poli sci majors and law students.

    Get out and meet some women.

    Go ahead, lie to yourself about the sexual market place. It don’t confront us none. Just don’t try and sell your delusions as truth to anybody else, because you’re doing them a great disservice.

    I note all your counterexamples are family. I’m sure there’s no bias there, and these anecdotes can be taken at face value, however . . .

    A nerd is a great catch and many are very, very good looking, such as my Stanford engineering and science major boy friends when I was young

    If they were such great catches and +3SD on the handsome scale as you claim, why’d you kick ‘em to the curb? Or were they the ones who moved up to a newer, better model?

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  117. They know their products will be better if they have women on those teams.

    Objection, your Honor! Assumes facts not in evidence!

    It’s almost like asking yourself the question of, well, what if we didn’t have any women scientists in biology? Well, I can tell you we wouldn’t be studying women’s health if we didn’t have amazing women biologists.

    Objection, your Honor! Just plain stupid.

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  118. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Formerly CARealist
    People divorce their spouses because they can. It needs to get harder and less acceptable. Waiting times, mandatory counseling at a minimum. We need to stop shrugging when friends and neighbors split up. A stern lecture is called for in many cases, not sympathy and shared drinks.

    The last president to bring this up, to my knowledge, was HW Bush. Trump could talk about it if he had an ounce of humility... has he said anything about the disgracefulness of divorce?

    Sorry Dumbo, I know this wasn't your main point, but I'm extra irked right now after watching a guy just dump his wife with no discussion. And I know quite well that women can be equally beastly.

    People divorce their spouses because they can. It needs to get harder and less acceptable.

    I totally agree. Easy divorce is one of the many liberal social experiments that have been inflicted on us, and it’s time to admit that it’s been a failure.

    Easy divorce plus readily available contraception doomed the family.

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  119. Clyde says:
    @Lex Corvus
    That hypothetical Chinese boy wouldn't qualify; the Gates Millennium Scholarship is even more communist than it looks at first glance—it's open only to "African American, American Indian/Alaska Native, Asian Pacific Islander American, and Hispanic American students."

    Jimmy Fong and Prakash Krishnamurti (much less John Smith) need not apply.

    Thanks! I blew that one. You are correct.

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  120. Dr. Doom says:

    You know if computers didn’t involve numbers, logic and jargon, women could probably do well. Just imagine if our technology were more like knitting, hairstyles and neighborhood committees? That’s what a world run by women would be like. What did Camille Paglia say a world run by women would be like again?
    THE STONE AGE. Gee, that’s remarkably honest for a feminist.

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    • Replies: @Clyde

    What did Camille Paglia say a world run by women would be like again?
    THE STONE AGE. Gee, that’s remarkably honest for a feminist.
     
    Men invented, manufacture, distribute, sell all the labor saving devices that freed women from lives of mindless drudgery. Basics of which are modern stoves, refrigerators, washing machines and dryers. I see all four kicked out to the curb when a new family moves in, some renovations and wife stakes her claim. She worships these man-creations and craves the newest Bosch front load models going for $3000/for washer-dryer.

    Not the wife above, she has a few children to raise. But you know how the feminist contingent has all this time on their hands to theorize over abstract bullshit and set up self aggrandizing NGOs. Because of man-inventions. I place Melinda "Africa" Gates in this group. Shut yer yap annoying Melinda!

  121. @Lex Corvus
    That hypothetical Chinese boy wouldn't qualify; the Gates Millennium Scholarship is even more communist than it looks at first glance—it's open only to "African American, American Indian/Alaska Native, Asian Pacific Islander American, and Hispanic American students."

    Jimmy Fong and Prakash Krishnamurti (much less John Smith) need not apply.

    The Gates Millennium Scholarship fund for low-income students ended in 2016 but it was open to Asians & Pacific Islander Americans, everyone except whites.

    Quang Kieu is the epitome of an Elite Scholar, according to Stephanie Brown, lead counselor at Elite Scholars Academy.

    Brown said the youth was recently accepted to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and he was named a Gates Millennium Scholars Finalist.

    … “In November of 2008, Quang and his family immigrated to the United States from Vietnam when he was in the fifth grade, only knowing a little bit of English,” she explained. “I can remember him taking tests with a dictionary in one hand because he could not communicate fully without it.”

    Deficient, at first, in his command of the English language, “he still made all A’s in all six of his classes.”

    http://www.news-daily.com/features/elite-scholar-bound-for-bright-future/article_9e6a5f69-db31-573d-880e-45fd457dd804.html

    Jay Patel

    Patel is the first non-Hispanic Woodburn High School student to earn a Gates scholarship. He was born in Oregon but his parents are from the Indian state of Gujarat.

    His parents, along with the rest of their family, immigrated to Canada before he was born, and later, the United States.

    Most of his extended family went into the hospitality industry, including his parents, who are the longtime owners of the Budget Inn Motel in Woodburn. Patel said he has been helping his parents with that work for as long as he can remember.

    http://portlandtribune.com/wbi/152-news/258416-129846-trio-of-whs-students-wins-gates-scholarships

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  122. Never underestimate the stupidity of feminism. It is obvious to any thinking person that all gender situations develop as they are supposed to. If, for example, women were natural inventors, they would have large number of inventions. It has nothing to do with being oppressed if they don’t. They weren’t designed that way. If women were natural tekkies, they would actually seek it out at a young age and enjoy it. The numbers prove otherwise. The left, in its laughable wisdom, wishes to create a world in which unnatural situations are imposed on the natural order. With the current gender confusion, that doesn’t really exist, they wish to create a problem where there isn’t one. For instance, a man can menstruate or a woman can be a father. Thinking people realize that if you were meant to menstruate you would have a uterus and a vagina and if you were meant to be a father you would have testicles and a penis. Since men should be able to menstruate and women be fathers, we now have to throw billions of dollars at a problem that doesn’t even exist. And, since it doesn’t exist, can never be solved. This reminds me of the Monty Python movie the Life of Brian when Stan wants to be a woman because he wants to have babies.

    REG: But… you can’t have babies.

    STAN: Don’t you oppress me.

    REG: I’m not oppressing you, Stan. You haven’t got a womb! — Where’s the fetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?!

    STAN: [crying]

    JUDITH: Here! I– I’ve got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can’t actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody’s fault, not even the Romans’, but that he can have the right to have babies.

    FRANCIS: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother. Sister. Sorry.

    REG: What’s the point?

    FRANCIS: What?

    REG: What’s the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can’t have babies?!

    FRANCIS: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.

    REG: Its symbolic of his struggle against reality.

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    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Never underestimate the stupidity of feminism. It is obvious to any thinking person that all gender situations develop as they are supposed to. If, for example, women were natural inventors, they would have large number of inventions. It has nothing to do with being oppressed if they don’t. They weren’t designed that way. If women were natural tekkies, they would actually seek it out at a young age and enjoy it. The numbers prove otherwise.
     
    Well said AWM.

    The contrast with doctors is instructive. Ever since women were "liberated" by technology from careers as professional wives\mothers, their numbers in med schools have been ramping up. They like the nurturing aspect. My oldest is headed off to med school this summer. She's smart, but would hate a tech job where she was just dealing with *things* and logic all day. She--like most women--prefers people contact. (She recruits and manages patients--often kids--for clinical studies in her current job.) She has a calm demeanor and kids really take to her. I've thought for a while she'd make a pretty good pediatrician. Of course, my top priority is for her to have a passel of her own kids.

    Jobs revolving around *things* and especially without a bunch of people contact--where they can't "chat"--95% of women--maybe 99%--have zero interest.

    The left, in its laughable wisdom, wishes to create a world in which unnatural situations are imposed on the natural order.
     
    This could be the canonical one sentence summation of our times.
  123. @Lex Corvus
    That hypothetical Chinese boy wouldn't qualify; the Gates Millennium Scholarship is even more communist than it looks at first glance—it's open only to "African American, American Indian/Alaska Native, Asian Pacific Islander American, and Hispanic American students."

    Jimmy Fong and Prakash Krishnamurti (much less John Smith) need not apply.

    Chinese parachute boy:

    May 27, 2016

    For Niles North High School graduate, Jinbin Cao, Chicago deep dish pizza ranks up there with learning that he’ll be getting “a free ride” on his UIC college tuition and grad school thanks to being named a recipient of the 2016 Gates Millennium Scholarship.

    “Today is one of my greatest honors,” Cao told the Niles Township High School board of education during its May 24 meeting.

    Cao and his mother came to the Chicago area from China in February, 2014. Cao hit the books at Niles North and tried to learn English as his mother worked a minimum wage job and his father continued working in China.

    “It was a hard time for me at the beginning,” Cao said. “I studied hard every day. Hopefully all my efforts pay back.”

    … Cao’s said his father made the journey from China for Cao’s Niles North high school graduation and both of Cao’s parents were also at the May 24 board meeting with their son.

    Cao told the board that he knew very little English when he arrived at the high school that cold February day in 2014. He said along the way he has developed a love for Chicago deep-dish pizza and a passion for learning and studying. He also thanked the teachers and others in the school district who helped him along the way.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/skokie/news/ct-skr-gates-millennium-scholarship-tl-0526-20160527-story.html

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    This--Gates scholarship for Chinese parachute boy--really does make me sick.

    Gates should be ashamed of himself. There are plenty of flyover country *American* boys (and a few girls) who have high capability and not a lot of opportunity. It's downright shameful for Gates to be giving scholarships to Chinese kids, precisely because they are not white. Shameful.
  124. @anarchyst
    Gates father was a lawyer, a part of one of Seattle's most prestigious law firms.
    Bill Gates was not that smart...he was "in the right place at the right time"...he purchased an operating system from a REAL programmer (Gary Kildall) for $20,000. His "genius" came from the tight "licensing agreement" that his daddy's law firm crafted. At that time, one could not purchase the software separately from the hardware. One had to purchase the software along with a computer. This, in itself assured that there would be a "customer base".
    Compared to Linux, Microsoft products approach that of bloatware, having to reboot the computer at least once per day to flush out the cr@p...

    Bill Gates was not that smart…he was “in the right place at the right time”…

    It’s hardly worth wading into this foolishness.

    Bill Gates was obviously “in the right place at the right time” so was … Washington, Lincoln, Eisenhower, Carnegie, Rockefeller, Ford. It’s the nature of the beast. But it takes more than just that. I’m not much younger than Gates and had programmed a computer before Microsoft was founded … I don’t seem to have $80 billion in my bank account.

    And yes Bill Gates is a pretty darn smart guy. Is he Isaac Newton? Hell no. But then none of these other tech titans are either from what I can tell. Gates grabbed up a lucrative opportunity and then managed to not fumble it and become irrelevant through three or four tech transitions-GUI, client-server, Internet, mobility–that often screw up the incumbent companies. (Word Perfect? Borland? Lotus? Novell? Sun? Yahoo?) Really only this cell-phone thing and cloud seem to be a potential downfall.

    Bottom line, the real *enabling* technology is not software, but hardware. What these hardware guys have been able to do in terms of circuit size\density and hence speed on these chips. Incredible stuff. This opened up the opportunity for cheap affordable “personal” computing. And to have the scale for this to be truly cheap and affordable for all, an OS\API standard for commodity hardware really helped. And by having that scale, you can build an OS with all sorts of bells and whistles and sell it for peanuts. Gates was smart enough to get that and take advantage. And that sort of “mass market”–Walmart–approach is what made computing affordable for everyone. (As opposed to the sniffy boutique Apple model.)

    Is the Gates foundation doing great work? Mostly no. Gates is a “want to do the right thing” kind of guy. But while he’s definitely “aware”–probably a lot more than he lets on, based on the obsessions that he has with IQ–he’s not aware enough to overcome the modern liberal PC environment. So yeah, he’s a much sharper businessman than he is philanthropist. He’s hardly alone in this respect.

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  125. @Triumph104
    Chinese parachute boy:

    May 27, 2016

    For Niles North High School graduate, Jinbin Cao, Chicago deep dish pizza ranks up there with learning that he'll be getting "a free ride" on his UIC college tuition and grad school thanks to being named a recipient of the 2016 Gates Millennium Scholarship.

    "Today is one of my greatest honors," Cao told the Niles Township High School board of education during its May 24 meeting.

    Cao and his mother came to the Chicago area from China in February, 2014. Cao hit the books at Niles North and tried to learn English as his mother worked a minimum wage job and his father continued working in China.

    "It was a hard time for me at the beginning," Cao said. "I studied hard every day. Hopefully all my efforts pay back."

    ... Cao's said his father made the journey from China for Cao's Niles North high school graduation and both of Cao's parents were also at the May 24 board meeting with their son.

    Cao told the board that he knew very little English when he arrived at the high school that cold February day in 2014. He said along the way he has developed a love for Chicago deep-dish pizza and a passion for learning and studying. He also thanked the teachers and others in the school district who helped him along the way.
     

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/skokie/news/ct-skr-gates-millennium-scholarship-tl-0526-20160527-story.html

    This–Gates scholarship for Chinese parachute boy–really does make me sick.

    Gates should be ashamed of himself. There are plenty of flyover country *American* boys (and a few girls) who have high capability and not a lot of opportunity. It’s downright shameful for Gates to be giving scholarships to Chinese kids, precisely because they are not white. Shameful.

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  126. @anarchyst
    Gates father was a lawyer, a part of one of Seattle's most prestigious law firms.
    Bill Gates was not that smart...he was "in the right place at the right time"...he purchased an operating system from a REAL programmer (Gary Kildall) for $20,000. His "genius" came from the tight "licensing agreement" that his daddy's law firm crafted. At that time, one could not purchase the software separately from the hardware. One had to purchase the software along with a computer. This, in itself assured that there would be a "customer base".
    Compared to Linux, Microsoft products approach that of bloatware, having to reboot the computer at least once per day to flush out the cr@p...

    Not quite. Gary Kildall wrote/owned the CP/M OS. Legend has it that IBM went to see him first but he was off flying his plane, or something. IBM approached Gates and he said yes I have an OS to sell you. He then bought MS/DOS from some shlub in Seattle. His real genius was reserving the right to sell the OS himself. Voila, he has an IBM approved OS to sell at a time when corporate America would buy anything IBM approved of. That and VisiCalc/Lotus took the world by storm.

    One of the reasons Windows is still such a kludge is that MS goes to extraordinary lengths to maintain backwards compatibility; Apple tells its users to go buy new apps every few years if they want to run the new OS. Guess who has the reputation for being rigid?

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  127. @TheJester
    You nailed it. Hindu culture is one the most misogynist cultures in the world. Women are at rock bottom of any Hindu caste. And due to the caste system, I cannot think of any culture in the world more incompatible with Western values than Hindu culture ... worse than Islamic culture, especially for women.

    I've seen senior Hindi males operate in American IT companies. Their prejudice against women is evident and open. However, they tend to get away with it ... perhaps because it is hard for HR to hold "diverse" people responsible for being "anti-diverse" at the same time.

    In one measure, India was recently ranked as the worst country for women among developed and emerging countries. Saudi Arabia was the second worst.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/23/why-india-bad-for-women

    The one Indian I’ve ever cared for and befriended is a lady who treats the idea of returning to live in India the way a Jewish homosexual might have treated the idea of moving to Berlin c. 1940. She was previously in an arranged marriage wherein her husband regularly beat and raped her until she realised that in the U.S.A. we don’t put up with that shit, so she divorced him and dedicated herself (successfully) to obtaining citizenship with superhuman efforts.

    For all of that, she is a True Beliver in Diversity. Go figure….

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  128. @Harold

    she still had trouble figuring out precisely how she fit into the male-dominated industry.

    Thirty years later, many women are still asking themselves that question.
     

    My mother is a programmer—a very good one. She has a degree in mathematics and started her career as a computer. When the company she worked for bought an electronic computer she was chosen from amongst the computers to be promoted to programmer. She went back to it after taking time off to be a full-time mother when her children were young.

    I asked her if she has ever experienced any sexism in her decades in IT. She said, ‘No.’

    She has often been encouraged to apply for management positions, but she prefers technical work.

    Did you see Hidden Figures?

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  129. @Marina
    SWPL MEN don't do that stuff either, though. In fact, the only reason they all play at gender equality is because they live in cities where there's less of a premium on stuff like upper body strength or male visuospatial ability. Often they are second or third generation urban dwellers. When they move to the burbs, they have the money to hire tradesmen or just replace stuff that breaks. But while they're apartment living, there's no firewood to cut/stack, lawn to mow, or place to fix a car anyway. Even if they do repair stuff themselves, there's fairly little DIY in a city that requires male strength. I do most of the maintenance and renovation on our apartment simply because my husband works long hours, and the biggest hurdle is dealing with the toddler "helping," not lacking the strength to snake the toilet or remove doors or whatever.

    I read a blog by a Nice Lefty Couple that saved up enough money to move from Boston to rural Vermont and semi retire in their early thirties. There was an unintentionally hilarious handwringing post where she detailed that their relocation had caused some changes in their division of labor and her many feminist feels on the subject. Back in the city, he'd cooked while she cleaned, but now on the homestead, they needed to put wood away for the winter, so for a time she cooked while he chopped and stacked firewood. It's not that he was stronger, see, it's just that he was able to swing the axe so much HARDER than she was. This revelation seemed to blow her mind.

    It’s not that he was stronger, see, it’s just that he was able to swing the axe so much HARDER than she was.

    This is like someone saying that someone else isn’t smarter, they just have higher SAT scores

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  130. @Anonymous White Male
    Never underestimate the stupidity of feminism. It is obvious to any thinking person that all gender situations develop as they are supposed to. If, for example, women were natural inventors, they would have large number of inventions. It has nothing to do with being oppressed if they don't. They weren't designed that way. If women were natural tekkies, they would actually seek it out at a young age and enjoy it. The numbers prove otherwise. The left, in its laughable wisdom, wishes to create a world in which unnatural situations are imposed on the natural order. With the current gender confusion, that doesn't really exist, they wish to create a problem where there isn't one. For instance, a man can menstruate or a woman can be a father. Thinking people realize that if you were meant to menstruate you would have a uterus and a vagina and if you were meant to be a father you would have testicles and a penis. Since men should be able to menstruate and women be fathers, we now have to throw billions of dollars at a problem that doesn't even exist. And, since it doesn't exist, can never be solved. This reminds me of the Monty Python movie the Life of Brian when Stan wants to be a woman because he wants to have babies.

    REG: But... you can't have babies.

    STAN: Don't you oppress me.

    REG: I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! -- Where's the fetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?!

    STAN: [crying]

    JUDITH: Here! I-- I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans', but that he can have the right to have babies.

    FRANCIS: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother. Sister. Sorry.

    REG: What's the point?

    FRANCIS: What?

    REG: What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?!

    FRANCIS: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.

    REG: Its symbolic of his struggle against reality.

    Never underestimate the stupidity of feminism. It is obvious to any thinking person that all gender situations develop as they are supposed to. If, for example, women were natural inventors, they would have large number of inventions. It has nothing to do with being oppressed if they don’t. They weren’t designed that way. If women were natural tekkies, they would actually seek it out at a young age and enjoy it. The numbers prove otherwise.

    Well said AWM.

    The contrast with doctors is instructive. Ever since women were “liberated” by technology from careers as professional wives\mothers, their numbers in med schools have been ramping up. They like the nurturing aspect. My oldest is headed off to med school this summer. She’s smart, but would hate a tech job where she was just dealing with *things* and logic all day. She–like most women–prefers people contact. (She recruits and manages patients–often kids–for clinical studies in her current job.) She has a calm demeanor and kids really take to her. I’ve thought for a while she’d make a pretty good pediatrician. Of course, my top priority is for her to have a passel of her own kids.

    Jobs revolving around *things* and especially without a bunch of people contact–where they can’t “chat”–95% of women–maybe 99%–have zero interest.

    The left, in its laughable wisdom, wishes to create a world in which unnatural situations are imposed on the natural order.

    This could be the canonical one sentence summation of our times.

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  131. @TheJester
    You nailed it. Hindu culture is one the most misogynist cultures in the world. Women are at rock bottom of any Hindu caste. And due to the caste system, I cannot think of any culture in the world more incompatible with Western values than Hindu culture ... worse than Islamic culture, especially for women.

    I've seen senior Hindi males operate in American IT companies. Their prejudice against women is evident and open. However, they tend to get away with it ... perhaps because it is hard for HR to hold "diverse" people responsible for being "anti-diverse" at the same time.

    In one measure, India was recently ranked as the worst country for women among developed and emerging countries. Saudi Arabia was the second worst.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/23/why-india-bad-for-women

    Except that the Indian H-1b programmers include as many women as the general American IT workforce.

    A Computerworld analysis of U.S. Census Bureau American Community Survey data from 2010 to 2014 showed that overall, 27% of the U.S. tech workforce is female. Among people born in India and working in U.S. tech jobs — immigrants and green-card holders as well as those on visas — 27.8% are female, roughly similar. (Want to explore this data yourself? Download the data file as part of our free Insider program.) But more data is needed to complete the picture of H-1B demographics, which may be considerably different than those of foreign-born citizens.

    Indian IT companies do hire women. They just hire Indian women. The issue with the Indian outsources and hiring managers isn’t that they’re misogynistic. The issue is that they hire their ethnicity instead of Americans.

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    Yes, I've seen that happen. Ones born in the USA may have a sense of fair play, but ones from India are more likely to hire others from India. And, frankly, I agree with them: they implicitly trust their own tribe more, either because they have leverage from some Indian social arrangement or it's simple common culture. In that sense, we have a lot to learn from them.
  132. @Fiddlesticks
    Gates started working at Microsoft in 1987, when it was still a small, scrappy company.

    And to top it off, we are supposed to act like MSFT was still some little startup as of 1987? It already had a $3B market cap, which is roughly equivalent to a $24B market cap today, given current stock-index values.

    For comparison's sake, that's double the market cap of Citrix, which is certainly a long-established presence in corporate IT.

    Yeah.

    Microsoft was dominant in languages before it was dominant in PC operating systems, and it has been dominant in PC operating systems since 1981.

    In fact, at one point in the early ’80s, Microsoft was a leading hardware vendor – it sold a CP/M card for the Apple II.

    Microsoft was not dominant in PC office applications until after the market switched from DOS to Windows in the early ’90s, but it has dominated the Mac office-apps market since 1984.

    When the Mac first hit the market, it was bundled with a free word processor (MacWrite) and a free graphics program (MacPaint).

    MacWrite was low-end even by the standards of the time, but rumors of the imminent release of Microsoft Word and Lotus Jazz were enough to kill third-party interest in developing word processors, spreadsheets, databases, and other such programs.

    (At the time, Lotus was bigger than Microsoft. Its 1-2-3 spreadsheet was the number-one PC software seller for many years.)

    Lotus Jazz was a slow, buggy disaster:

    http://www.danielsays.com/ss-gallery-macintosh-jazz-r1.html

    (Read the list of “steps necessary to start” the program.)

    But Word and another new Microsoft offering, Excel, while certainly not perfect, did pretty well.

    Bill Gates briefly lost his billionaire status after the ’87 market crash. Playboy scrapped a planned story on him – as a former billionaire, his story was deemed insufficiently interesting to distract readers from the nudie pics.

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  133. Clyde says:
    @Dr. Doom
    You know if computers didn't involve numbers, logic and jargon, women could probably do well. Just imagine if our technology were more like knitting, hairstyles and neighborhood committees? That's what a world run by women would be like. What did Camille Paglia say a world run by women would be like again?
    THE STONE AGE. Gee, that's remarkably honest for a feminist.

    What did Camille Paglia say a world run by women would be like again?
    THE STONE AGE. Gee, that’s remarkably honest for a feminist.

    Men invented, manufacture, distribute, sell all the labor saving devices that freed women from lives of mindless drudgery. Basics of which are modern stoves, refrigerators, washing machines and dryers. I see all four kicked out to the curb when a new family moves in, some renovations and wife stakes her claim. She worships these man-creations and craves the newest Bosch front load models going for $3000/for washer-dryer.

    Not the wife above, she has a few children to raise. But you know how the feminist contingent has all this time on their hands to theorize over abstract bullshit and set up self aggrandizing NGOs. Because of man-inventions. I place Melinda “Africa” Gates in this group. Shut yer yap annoying Melinda!

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    She worships these man-creations and craves the newest Bosch front load models going for $3000/for washer-dryer.
     
    It's a lucrative racket.

    One of my relatives started out on the loading dock at a major (Dow 30) company, got a job as a salesman in the appliance division, worked his way up the ranks to the executive level, quit after 25 years, started his own company in a related field, made a ton of money, and then died of lung cancer in his mid-60s.
  134. Brutusale says:
    @Jack Hanson
    "No money in nursing".

    Haaaaaaa no.

    Right now we are on the cusp of a paramedic shortage across the nation. As paramedic requirements have risen through the years, there hasn't been a corresponding rise in pay. Right now a year + graduate of a medic program is gonna make $4 more an hour than the EMT who took a 6-8 week course (and makes $10/hr).

    The real money in EMS is with Fire, but you don't start seeing THAT until you make engineer in many departments, if not captain. So anywhere from 4-10 years, at the least. And that's if you get on a department or want to.

    However, many nursing programs are eager to accept medics and will push them through as RNs after one year of schooling. Depending where you RN, you can make 60k to 80k out of school. More after you start specialising, and you can draw a living wage anywhere without needing to be a battalion chief's nephew to ensure you an interview.

    Right now a lot of the medics in the country who aren't fire are guys who were around when 12 Lead and field intubation were considered passing fads. They're unwilling to give up their autonomy and basically are going to go until they die. Everyone else is either angling for experience to look better for Fire, or has some other hook in mind.

    If you're smart enough to be a medic, you're smart enough to know topping out at maybe $18-$20 an hour with no real career ladder isn't a bright future.

    I can’t speak for the rest of the country, but my girlfriend is a nurse with 25 years experience working at a union hospital in Boston. She makes mid-six figures.

    The funniest thing that’s happened to her in a while was a job offer from Mass General with a salary that was $30K less than she’s making now. The nice HR lady was taken aback when the girl basically laughed at her. The woman said she knew the money was less, “But you’d be working at Massachusetts General Hospital!”. Like that pays the mortgage.

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  135. Brutusale says:
    @AnotherDad

    If I were Bill I would have married a hot model whose 50 year old mother looked in great shape. Hot model with brains, with mothering instincts intact.
     
    Melinda French was a fine choice for Bill. She's smart and conscientious--her private Catholic HS valedictorian, Duke, Duke business school--was\is at least reasonably attractive (certainly above average). Bill's a--not all that in the closest--eugenicist, and Melinda was bringing a good package of genes to the table, as well as a good set of skills for mothering. If you had introduced him to a "hot model" with Melinda's packaged of mental skills, i'm sure Bill would have been interested. Such women certainly exist, but they are thin on the ground, and may not like Bill's particular package of traits. (The ones for whom the billions overruled everything else probably aren't the ones you want.)

    Melinda would have been just fine ... circa 1960. She's have popped out a passel of kids--she did three which isn't bad for this day and age--and done a good job mothering them. If she had any extra cycles and wanted to "do more", then she'd be on the PTA or working to improve the library or some other community do-gooderism.

    The problem here is the modern order. Where we let women run loose with their nurturing and "improving" instincts and take it seriously. And worse take their complaining--that everything is not ordered precisely as they like, that the waters do not part for them on cue--seriously.

    Despite the annoying PC nature of most everything that Melinda does, I will give her a bit of credit for bringing up population control and putting that on her do-gooderism agenda. While that was a given--conventional wisdom--circa 1970, it's practically bold in today's PC--addled environment where all problems stem from white men, and those of darker hue are responsible for no aspect of their state and can not be criticized.

    Average looks at best.

    I have many orders of magnitude less money than Bill, but my girlfriend has 3 years on Melinda and is better looking and in better shape. The girl would also tell Mr. & Mrs. Gates that, given her years ministering to pathologies of the very same sorts that they are trying to uplift, they’re wasting their time and money.

    Again, Larry Ellison is my hero, using his money to live the life of a Bond villain!

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  136. @Clyde

    What did Camille Paglia say a world run by women would be like again?
    THE STONE AGE. Gee, that’s remarkably honest for a feminist.
     
    Men invented, manufacture, distribute, sell all the labor saving devices that freed women from lives of mindless drudgery. Basics of which are modern stoves, refrigerators, washing machines and dryers. I see all four kicked out to the curb when a new family moves in, some renovations and wife stakes her claim. She worships these man-creations and craves the newest Bosch front load models going for $3000/for washer-dryer.

    Not the wife above, she has a few children to raise. But you know how the feminist contingent has all this time on their hands to theorize over abstract bullshit and set up self aggrandizing NGOs. Because of man-inventions. I place Melinda "Africa" Gates in this group. Shut yer yap annoying Melinda!

    She worships these man-creations and craves the newest Bosch front load models going for $3000/for washer-dryer.

    It’s a lucrative racket.

    One of my relatives started out on the loading dock at a major (Dow 30) company, got a job as a salesman in the appliance division, worked his way up the ranks to the executive level, quit after 25 years, started his own company in a related field, made a ton of money, and then died of lung cancer in his mid-60s.

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  137. “I thought that was Obama?”

    If so, then someone in the CIA’s Department of Arranged Marriages really hated Obama.

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  138. @Stan Adams
    Yeah.

    Microsoft was dominant in languages before it was dominant in PC operating systems, and it has been dominant in PC operating systems since 1981.

    In fact, at one point in the early '80s, Microsoft was a leading hardware vendor - it sold a CP/M card for the Apple II.

    Microsoft was not dominant in PC office applications until after the market switched from DOS to Windows in the early '90s, but it has dominated the Mac office-apps market since 1984.

    When the Mac first hit the market, it was bundled with a free word processor (MacWrite) and a free graphics program (MacPaint).

    MacWrite was low-end even by the standards of the time, but rumors of the imminent release of Microsoft Word and Lotus Jazz were enough to kill third-party interest in developing word processors, spreadsheets, databases, and other such programs.

    (At the time, Lotus was bigger than Microsoft. Its 1-2-3 spreadsheet was the number-one PC software seller for many years.)

    Lotus Jazz was a slow, buggy disaster:
    http://www.danielsays.com/ss-gallery-macintosh-jazz-r1.html

    (Read the list of "steps necessary to start" the program.)

    But Word and another new Microsoft offering, Excel, while certainly not perfect, did pretty well.

    Bill Gates briefly lost his billionaire status after the '87 market crash. Playboy scrapped a planned story on him - as a former billionaire, his story was deemed insufficiently interesting to distract readers from the nudie pics.

    What! Playboy has articles? I never noticed.

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    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    An article in Playboy almost cost Jimmy Carter the 1976 election. He said in an interview that he had "looked on a lot of women with lust" and "committed adultery in my heart many times."

    His slip of the tongue was not the only cause of the erosion of his once-commanding lead, but it was a factor.

    The '70s are remembered as a raunchy era of sexual decadence, but think about this: Forty-five years ago, the word "balls" was considered too dirty to air on national TV.

    When Joan Crawford told David Frost that Clark Gable was her favorite leading man because "Balls - he had 'em!" ... she was bleeped. (In the same interview, Frost said the word "bitch" a few times, and he was bleeped, as well.)

    When balls and bitch became unbleepworthy, I know not.

    Not so many years ago, most newspapers treated pussy as an expletive ("p----"). Then came Trump.

    When we will be reading unexpurgated renditions of such words as -uck and -unt?

    (The words in question are not cuck and Funt*, in case you're wondering.)

    Useless trivia: The word shit was first heard on national television** on Thursday, October 14, 1999, uttered by Mark Harmon at the end of that night's episode of Chicago Hope on CBS. It was followed by the word "happens."

    *Allen Funt hosted Candid Camera for many years.

    **Something tells me that it was heard before that date, inadvertently, in a live broadcast. The word -uck was broadcast in 1956 (on CBS, coincidentally) during the network's coverage of the Democratic convention. Will Rogers, Jr., then the host of the network's morning show, was supposed to ride a horse into the lobby of a Hilton hotel in Chicago and dismount. Unfortunately, the horse decided at the last minute to take a ... shit on the doorstep of said hotel. The control room cut to the studio just as a startled reporter exclaimed, "Good God, what a -uck-up!"
  139. @Jim Don Bob
    What! Playboy has articles? I never noticed.

    An article in Playboy almost cost Jimmy Carter the 1976 election. He said in an interview that he had “looked on a lot of women with lust” and “committed adultery in my heart many times.”

    His slip of the tongue was not the only cause of the erosion of his once-commanding lead, but it was a factor.

    The ’70s are remembered as a raunchy era of sexual decadence, but think about this: Forty-five years ago, the word “balls” was considered too dirty to air on national TV.

    When Joan Crawford told David Frost that Clark Gable was her favorite leading man because “Balls – he had ‘em!” … she was bleeped. (In the same interview, Frost said the word “bitch” a few times, and he was bleeped, as well.)

    When balls and bitch became unbleepworthy, I know not.

    Not so many years ago, most newspapers treated pussy as an expletive (“p—-”). Then came Trump.

    When we will be reading unexpurgated renditions of such words as -uck and -unt?

    (The words in question are not cuck and Funt*, in case you’re wondering.)

    Useless trivia: The word shit was first heard on national television** on Thursday, October 14, 1999, uttered by Mark Harmon at the end of that night’s episode of Chicago Hope on CBS. It was followed by the word “happens.”

    *Allen Funt hosted Candid Camera for many years.

    **Something tells me that it was heard before that date, inadvertently, in a live broadcast. The word -uck was broadcast in 1956 (on CBS, coincidentally) during the network’s coverage of the Democratic convention. Will Rogers, Jr., then the host of the network’s morning show, was supposed to ride a horse into the lobby of a Hilton hotel in Chicago and dismount. Unfortunately, the horse decided at the last minute to take a … shit on the doorstep of said hotel. The control room cut to the studio just as a startled reporter exclaimed, “Good God, what a -uck-up!”

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    • Replies: @Brutusale
    At the end of this year's Super Bowl, I counted three very audible "motherfucker" from the assembled players when the trophy was being carried to the podium.

    Nobody seems to notice curse words anymore.

  140. Brutusale says:
    @Stan Adams
    An article in Playboy almost cost Jimmy Carter the 1976 election. He said in an interview that he had "looked on a lot of women with lust" and "committed adultery in my heart many times."

    His slip of the tongue was not the only cause of the erosion of his once-commanding lead, but it was a factor.

    The '70s are remembered as a raunchy era of sexual decadence, but think about this: Forty-five years ago, the word "balls" was considered too dirty to air on national TV.

    When Joan Crawford told David Frost that Clark Gable was her favorite leading man because "Balls - he had 'em!" ... she was bleeped. (In the same interview, Frost said the word "bitch" a few times, and he was bleeped, as well.)

    When balls and bitch became unbleepworthy, I know not.

    Not so many years ago, most newspapers treated pussy as an expletive ("p----"). Then came Trump.

    When we will be reading unexpurgated renditions of such words as -uck and -unt?

    (The words in question are not cuck and Funt*, in case you're wondering.)

    Useless trivia: The word shit was first heard on national television** on Thursday, October 14, 1999, uttered by Mark Harmon at the end of that night's episode of Chicago Hope on CBS. It was followed by the word "happens."

    *Allen Funt hosted Candid Camera for many years.

    **Something tells me that it was heard before that date, inadvertently, in a live broadcast. The word -uck was broadcast in 1956 (on CBS, coincidentally) during the network's coverage of the Democratic convention. Will Rogers, Jr., then the host of the network's morning show, was supposed to ride a horse into the lobby of a Hilton hotel in Chicago and dismount. Unfortunately, the horse decided at the last minute to take a ... shit on the doorstep of said hotel. The control room cut to the studio just as a startled reporter exclaimed, "Good God, what a -uck-up!"

    At the end of this year’s Super Bowl, I counted three very audible “motherfucker” from the assembled players when the trophy was being carried to the podium.

    Nobody seems to notice curse words anymore.

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  141. @JohnnyWalker123
    Except that the Indian H-1b programmers include as many women as the general American IT workforce.

    A Computerworld analysis of U.S. Census Bureau American Community Survey data from 2010 to 2014 showed that overall, 27% of the U.S. tech workforce is female. Among people born in India and working in U.S. tech jobs — immigrants and green-card holders as well as those on visas — 27.8% are female, roughly similar. (Want to explore this data yourself? Download the data file as part of our free Insider program.) But more data is needed to complete the picture of H-1B demographics, which may be considerably different than those of foreign-born citizens.

     

    Indian IT companies do hire women. They just hire Indian women. The issue with the Indian outsources and hiring managers isn't that they're misogynistic. The issue is that they hire their ethnicity instead of Americans.

    Yes, I’ve seen that happen. Ones born in the USA may have a sense of fair play, but ones from India are more likely to hire others from India. And, frankly, I agree with them: they implicitly trust their own tribe more, either because they have leverage from some Indian social arrangement or it’s simple common culture. In that sense, we have a lot to learn from them.

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