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From The Telegraph:

‘Stupidly politically correct society is the death of comedy’, warns veteran comedian Mel Brooks

21 SEPTEMBER 2017 • 12:26PM

Society’s “stupidly politically correct” sensibilities will lead to the “death of comedy”, the veteran Hollywood comedian Mel Brooks has warned. …

“It’s not good for comedy. Comedy has to walk a thin line, take risks,” he said.

“Comedy is the lecherous little elf whispering in the king’s ear, always telling the truth about human behaviour.”

The producer and director said that his iconic western parody Blazing Saddles could not be made in today’s political climate.

 
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  1. he’s wrong–one could easily make a comedy based on all the stupid racists that managed to elect a biracial mediocrity–”Mr Barry Goes to Washington”

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    You'd have a hard time getting it into theaters and/or on TV.
    , @Neoconned
    PC killed the comedy star....
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  2. Don’t know if I agree. If it were an African-American director, and tweeked a bit in places (e.g. hating whitey to the Nth degree, etc.) then Blazing Saddles could definitely be made.

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    • Replies: @Thomas

    If it were an African-American director, and tweeked a bit in places (e.g. hating whitey to the Nth degree, etc.) then Blazing Saddles could definitely be made.
     
    That raises the question then whether white Jewish male comedians can work anymore on the edge or if they're just shoehorned now with the rest of the sweaty, painful-to-watch Colbert/Kimmel/MacFarlane goyishe kops who have to stick with the approved material.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    The Wayans Brothers have stated that most of what they did on "In Living Color" would be banned today. They even had a sketch about a phone menu for people who are offended by the show, with increasingly ridiculous categories like "If you are offended by jokes about one-legged lesbian Cherokees, press 25...If you are offended by jokes about Black Puerto Rican Jews with dyslexia, press 26..." Eventually the list reached the 900s, and the man who had originally called the complaint number was shown snoring away in his living room.
    , @Forbes
    I'd say you've made Mel Brooks point. The production you describe wouldn't be the Mel Brooks-directed Blazing Saddles.
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  3. Barnard says:

    This seems like one of those truths that is self evident. Most comedies made before the mid 90s would have to be changed significantly in order to be made today. How many movies from that era didn’t have at least some racial and ethnic stereotypes.

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    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Moshe
    Are you kidding?? Comedies made in 2010 couldn't be made now!

    Galaxia in Anger Management, 22 Jumpstreet Principal with a vagina that doesn't work, etc.

    The sudden normalizing of men with beards proudly sporting bras (very common in Manhattan now) drew a line in Comedy Sand. Beyond this line enjoying the vulgar hilarity of trannyism is verboten.

    Watching movies from 2002 feels like engaging in an act of teenage rebelliousness.

    A part of me wishes Hilary had won just so I could watch the rest of this trippy movie and see what lies beyond Dogs without leashes, Dwindling meat offering restaurants and Land reappropriations.

    Would there be a ln officially praised suicide movement, an amendment making mandarin the official language, progressive cities criminalizing infiltration, the actual adoption of sharia law in detroit or some currently impossible to imagine new religion?

    Of course it would be disgusting but I'm genuinely curious what would have happened!
    , @markflag
    I resent that you did NOT include sexist, homophobist, and transsexualist stereotypes. Do only certain oppressed groups count?
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  4. Lagertha says:

    None of Mel Brook’s films could be made! What a pity. Spring Time for Hitler and Germany; never again. Whenever I eat a pretzel (street pretzel in NYC) I always think of those show girls with giant pretzels on their head – memories are so weird! My very interesting parents took the family to the opening night of that movie – I was 9! Loved the 12 chairs, too.

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    Considering that he’s a man who makes very silly films, I’ve had a lot of respect for Mel Brooks.

    I’m concerned that there’s a concerted effort to undermine the idea of the desirability of free speech, or the validity of the ideal of free speech. Sure, there’s always been people who in practice were willing to silence what they didn’t like even while praising the concept, but I have the feeling there’s an attempt to sway public opinion en masse to discourage it.

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    • Replies: @415 reasons
    The entire American consensus has unraveled. There is no longer a consensus to support free speech because there is no longer a consensus about the goals of politics. I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife because contemporary liberalism has turned so dramatically away from what a generation ago were shared American values. Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can't blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time, have made completely obsolete the core American values, shared assumptions, and shared experience that made a movie like "Blazing Saddles" funny. Blazing Saddles was made in a different country, it couldn't be made in America in 2017 any more than a Fellini film or a Kurosawa film.
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  6. REBBER…!!

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  7. @Melendwyr
    Considering that he's a man who makes very silly films, I've had a lot of respect for Mel Brooks.

    I'm concerned that there's a concerted effort to undermine the idea of the desirability of free speech, or the validity of the ideal of free speech. Sure, there's always been people who in practice were willing to silence what they didn't like even while praising the concept, but I have the feeling there's an attempt to sway public opinion en masse to discourage it.

    The entire American consensus has unraveled. There is no longer a consensus to support free speech because there is no longer a consensus about the goals of politics. I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife because contemporary liberalism has turned so dramatically away from what a generation ago were shared American values. Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can’t blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time, have made completely obsolete the core American values, shared assumptions, and shared experience that made a movie like “Blazing Saddles” funny. Blazing Saddles was made in a different country, it couldn’t be made in America in 2017 any more than a Fellini film or a Kurosawa film.

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    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Yak-15
    From my view, born a decade after the end of the Vietnam War, it seems as though it was the disaster that delegitimized WASP rule.

    When I read books like the Halberstam's Best and Brightest and I cannot help but notice the complete destruction of the WASP ruling class in its pages. However, it was their gambit on a stupid war and I cannot blame America for turning on them. Even when we got back a WASP in the Oval Office, GWB, he completely decimated America once again.

    We complain about having relatively few WASPs in power, but the ones we have put in power have sucked.

    BTW, I am Episcopalian and I am also embarrassed by my church. What a disgrace.
    , @Moshe

    I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife
     
    That is absolutely horrifying.

    To be afraid to talk to anyone other than your wife about....well, A LOT. Politics, society, the education system, morals, sexual and ethnic identifies, law, race...

    That really sounds horrifying.

    I get if you feel like you can't tell anyone but your wife that you fantasize being penetrated by a horse or would like to see segregation or think that there should be an upper quota on how much money jews can own but simply that you have more or less similar principles or preferences as tens of millions of your co-citizens....
    , @Thirdeye
    The slide began with the defamation of Daniel Patrick Moynihan:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_For_National_Action

    The firehoses, dogs, and clubs of Bull Connor were fresh in everyone's minds and people wanted to believe that the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act would be watershed events on race in America. No one wanted to confront the issue of dysfunction among blacks.

    Then it only got worse with the fawning reception given the woeful Kerner Commission report:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerner_Commission

    And the Nixon Administration was fully on board with the excesses in response, including quota hiring and the forced busing fiasco. But somehow Nixon got tarred as racist anyway.
    , @Stephen Paul Foster
    The "American consensus" whatever it was has indeed unraveled. In its place is a fact-denying ideology promulgated and enforced now by the political-cultural establishment. It's central premise is a variant of Marx's "history is the history of class struggle" tweak for U.S. consumption to "history is the history of racial oppression": thus, racism is the center of American society. Any doubt or deviation of this "truth" is severely punished.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/09/post-charlottesville-we-are-on-our-own.html
    , @Stephen Paul Foster
    The "American consensus" whatever it was has indeed unraveled. In its place is a fact-denying ideology promulgated and enforced now by the political-cultural establishment. It's central premise is a variant of Marx's "history is the history of class struggle" tweak for U.S. consumption to "history is the history of racial oppression": thus, racism is the center of American society. Any doubt or deviation of this "truth" is severely punished.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/09/post-charlottesville-we-are-on-our-own.html
    , @Forbes

    Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society.
     
    Boomers were drafted and sent to fight and die in the war in Vietnam. Boomers are a lot of things but they didn't conduct the war in Vietnam. Kennedy, Johnson, McNamara, Dean Rusk, Henry Cabot Lodge, Maxwell Taylor, McGeorge Bundy, et al., weren't Boomers.

    You might want to adjust your targeting.
    , @MBlanc46
    I'm a boomer who opposed the Indo-China War. I suspect that my political views are similar to yours.
    , @Sparkon

    Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can’t blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s...
     
    It's easy enough to make broad sweeping condemnations of an entire generation based on a TV program, but your chronology of events, and understanding of history seem incomplete, flawed, and far from clear.

    Baby Boomers were not in charge during the 60s and 70s.

    Boomers didn't fake the Gulf of Tonkin incident, break into Watergate, resupply Israel, nor send an Airborne division to enforce integration at Little Rock Central (50s). Nor did Baby Boomers trade arms for hostages (80s).

    I'd say that television has done far more harm to America than the Baby Boomers.

    True, George W. Bush, William J. Clinton, and Donald J. Trump were all born in 1946, but from much personal experience, I can't say those three guys are the best and brightest of that cohort, which did indeed record the 3rd highest SAT scores ever, just behind '56 and '63.

    To be precise, the true post WWII baby boom was over by 1951. Expanding the Baby Boom cohort up through the mid 60s is both absurd, and misleading. After 1951, the entire socio-economic scene was changing rapidly in the United States, not least of all because of the rising influence of television, the increasing menace of the Soviet Union, the threat of nuclear war, and the rise and fall of Joe McCarthy.

    The national mood by the early 50s was rapidly turning away from the post-war optimism of the late 40s. The post war baby boom was over, and succeeding generations would be different breeds of cat entirely from the cohort born in the first five years after the end of WWII.

    Oh, and during the 50s, the CIA was promoting Abstract Expressionism. See if you can blame that on the Boomers.
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  8. A close friend of Mel Brooks, Carl Reiner is fully on board with his son’s anti-Russian hysteria. It’s kind of ironic considering Carl Reiner did a great job years ago in “The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming”.

    Honestly, it’s the current “ass over tea kettle” mental state of the media, Hollywood and think-tanks that cries out most for being lampooned. Unfortunately, he and his son are going the other way:

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    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Bernardista
    "Is there anything more terrifying than the possibility of Trump's election being invalidated and Hillary rightfully installed as our President?"

    Fixed.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    Apparently Carl Reiner thinks that such an eventuality would turn out well. Yes, there probably wouldn't be "anything more exciting," but not in the way he thinks.
    , @Neuday
    I agree, as civil wars are indeed "exciting".
    , @EdwardM
    If I didn't know the context, I might think that this is parody -- leaders aren't "installed" in democracies.
    , @Forbes
    I wonder about Carl Reiner's mental capacity (not really--it's seriously diminished). The process by which Hillary gets installed as president is a real puzzler...
    , @cwhatfuture
    Remember: When Russians were ruled by mass murdering Marxists who explicitly announced their intentions to destroy us and who pointed nukes at us, liberals told us that worrying about Russia was "hysteria" and all the tension was our fault. Now that Russia is capitalist, isn't murdering its citizens, has no ideology calling for our destruction, but is no longer Marxist, liberals tell us we must worry.
    , @The Alarmist
    Wow, these folks are stupider than we might think, if they really believe overturning the election will do anything other than make Mike Pence the next President and perhaps start the next civil war.
    , @MarcB.
    Carl Reiner majorly copped out when asked about PC's debilitating effects on comedy during Norm Macdonald's podcast.
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  9. Spud Boy says:

    “…Rape, and murder, and arson, and rape.”

    “You said rape twice.”

    “I like rape.”

    Blazing Saddles, or a Kennedy family reunion?

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    The Number Six Dance....
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  10. There are plenty of Jewish gross out movies/television shows being made. Of course they mostly attack Christians and whites now. Read Peter Grant’s reaction to the show “Preacher” https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2017/08/art-be-damned-its-hatred-and.html . Or if you have a strong stomach, watch “The Night Before”, you can see what Hollywood Jews really think about Christmas.

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    • Replies: @Brutusale
    You mean Jews doing anything on Christmas other than seeing a movie, going for Chinese food and then seeing another movie?
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  11. theMann says:

    I doubt many films of the 70′s could be made today, probably none of the comedies. And we just had Politically correct Star Wars, the complete derivative of episode 4, itself derivative of Kurosawa, so….Star Wars, second derivative.

    I would pay money to see college Snowflakes wander into a screening of Young Frankenstein though. or Silver Streak.

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    Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: You know, I'm a rather brilliant surgeon. Perhaps I can help you with that hump.

    Igor: What hump?

    No one would be able to get past the crowd of hooded and prosthetic hump-wearing anti-fas.
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  12. AM says:

    watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can’t blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time,

    In fairness to the Boomers, there were many cultural forces before then that seem to simply to bear fruit (in a bad way) in the 1960′s.

    One of the reasons I call the WWII generation that instead of the Greatest Generation is that it’s not entirely clear they made the best parents as a group.

    I can say that both sets of my grandparents managed to spoil my Mom and Dad to more or lessor extents. My Mom had a pony (okay old horse) paid for by my grandmother at age 28 even though she was living 2 hours away at the time. (Really!) My Dad, who was part of an oddly small family for the time, recalls getting every single thing he asked for on his Christmas list. Certainly they didn’t get him on for his bad grades, which appear to be deliberate choice.

    Meanwhile, the global nationalism movements that begins with a bang in the US around the Civil War era reaches a peak in 1919-1945. Those wars would remove some of the best, brightest, and most masculine from society and the gene pool. For sure, it seems like the 1960′s mark the beginning of a highly feminized chaotic time that is reactionary to the previous decades.

    That doesn’t absolve the Boomers from the additional chaos they might have helped created, just like it doesn’t absolve my generation for not trying harder to rein in it. But still, there’s a lot of moving parts culturally and it’s not fair to give Boomers all the blame.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Boomers are not all the same - they're a huge group. Why do some of you insist on talking about things "Boomers" did when you're most likely actually thinking about a subset of Boomers? You should try to narrow down who it is that you're really referring to. For one thing, you're probably thinking of older Boomers. A lot of younger Boomers are probably more similar to Millenials.
    , @Frau Katze
    Try not to generalize so much. We should try to entice people to our p.o.v., not antagonize them by making sweeping generalizations about a group based only that they were born in specified time period.

    I'm a boomer but I avoided the insanity. In fact, in high school, hippies were a small minority.

    At university there were plenty of hippies but none of them were studying physics or math. I never got to know even one of them.

    I wasn't attracted to them at all. If asked about the Vietnam war (I'm in Canada, not the US) I said, "I don't know enough about it to make a judgement one way or the other."

    The boomers you're criticizing were a distinct minority of their age cohort.

    Think, anything you write might be read by anyone. Do you want to encourage people to consider our viewpoints or not?
    , @Frau Katze
    Sorry, my response should have been to "415 reasons" not you!
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  13. AM says:

    There’s no way he could make Spaceballs either. It’s a non-stop Jewish joke fest.

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    • Replies: @Coemgen
    You must mean Druish jokes.
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  14. Not sure why it wouldn’t be made. Would its anti-white messaging be considered too humdrum for today’s Hollywood?

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  15. AM says:

    “Excuse me while I whip this out.”

    “Hedley Lamarr: Qualifications?
    Applicant: Rape, murder, arson, and rape.
    Hedley Lamarr: You said rape twice.
    Applicant: I like rape. ”

    “Lili Von Shtupp: Is that a ten-gallon hat, or are you just enjoying the show? ”

    “Jim: I must have killed more men than Cecil B. DeMille. ”

    “”Mexican Bandit: Badges? We don’t need no stinking badges. “

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    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    Dom DeLuise for the win:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMK6lzmSk2o

    "Thoundth like Thteam ethcaping."
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  16. OT

    Blue Checkmark Valarie Plame tweets unz.com article “America’s jews are driving America’s wars.”

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910884546723196929

    REEEEEEEE happens

    Valarie doubles down, tweets several more times urging people to set aside their biases and read the entire article and think about it

    Then, Valarie backs down claims she only skimmed the article and somehow missed the “undercurrents” and was not aware of “the platform” (i.e. unz.com)

    lol all around

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    • Replies: @Peterike
    'Blue Checkmark Valarie Plame tweets unz.com article “America’s jews are driving America’s wars.” '

    For a minute there I had new found respect for Secret Squirrel. But then... nope.

    Still, nice to see her spread the word!
    , @3g4me
    @#16 27 year old: "Then, Valarie backs down claims she only skimmed the article and somehow missed the “undercurrents” and was not aware of “the platform” (i.e. unz.com)"


    My husband knew Valerie and her first husband, Todd, before she achieved riches and fame, and just remarked that she hasn't gotten any smarter in 30 years.
    , @Yak-15
    The article is called "America's Jews are driving America's Wars."

    What subtle undercurrents could she possibly have missed?
    , @Amasius
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=RriQt0ebFaw
    , @International Jew
    Following the "no enemies on the left" principle, Plame must have thought she'd landed on a leftist site that's pushed traditional leftist "antizionism" up a notch.
    , @Forbes
    I'd have hoped after 8 years of silence, Valerie had permanently gone away. Apparently 15 minutes of fame wasn't enough... Quelle surprise.
    , @Anonymous
    This is the funniest media pseudo-scandal of recent weeks. This beats Eichenwald's tentacle porn in fact. She has always appeared to me to be the classic Beltway showboat/ditz with an important-sounding job title and the ego to match, like a character out of "Burn After Reading"
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  17. Between the Office, Parks and Recreation, New Girl, Master of None, Bojack Horseman, Archer, South Park, Community, Modern Family, Blackish, Brooklyn Nine Nine, Veep, its clear the minorities and women have killed comedy.

    Or maybe Steve Sailer just doesn’t have a sense of humor.

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    Modern Family, Blackish, Brooklyn Nine Nine aren't close to being funny, unless you just love trashing on normal whites. Veep is very funny . . . if you're a middle aged Nice White Lady.

    There's not one comedy that makes fun of blacks, Jews, Hispanics or women in any real way. The only safe joke is to make fun of straight white guys.

    Comedians have become the biggest pussies. Maybe they always were. They're terrified of offending the powers that be - and, I suspect, a good portion of them know it.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Archer is hilarious, and makes fun of blacks, women, and fruitcakes every episode.

    There are only two reasons to watch Modern Family: Sophia and Vergara. When she's off screen, simply change the channel.
    , @Mikey Darmody
    You watch a lot of tv.
    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    Parks and Rec descended from a silly, pleasant show into a horrifying glimpse into the liberal view of small town America: a bunch of dim-witted yokels who are constantly thwarting the neurotic, ambitious, control-freak woman who embodies the "true" spirit of democracy. They don't deserve her and so she is translated into higher office where she can finally do what the people are too stupid to do for themselves.
    , @Anonymous
    Bojack Horseman has to be one of the crappiest sub-"Fish Police" ersatz-edgy series in decades. That you would even include it in the same sentence with South Park and Veep raises troubling questions about your comedy IQ
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  18. Mel Brooks seems to have a somewhat skewed view of what constitutes political correctness. What does he mean that Blazing Saddles could not be made today because of political correctness? Blazing Saddles was political correctness! It is pure negro worship, pure down with Whitey. From the oafish Whiteness of Slim Pickens and the townspeople to the White (well, Jewish) woman throwing herself on the sheriff’s glorious black schnitzengruben, there is nothing in that movie substantially different from the grossest PC narratives of today. Every movie made today is nothing but the successor of Blazing Saddles. There is a direct line of descent from Blazing Saddles to Django Unchained and Birth of a Nation.

    The fact that Mr. Brooks seems genuinely not to understand this goes to show that Jewish attitudes are highly corrosive of our culture even when the Jews do not consciously intend any harm. Their habits of instinctively lauding minority elements and fringe beliefs while endless kvetching against the majority can only result in destruction. And when at last their influence has finally succeeded in making Western countries unlivable for urbane Jews like themselves, they will turn around and blame it on us for our bigotry.

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    Blazing Saddles was political correctness! It is pure negro worship, pure down with Whitey. From the oafish Whiteness of Slim Pickens and the townspeople to the White (well, Jewish) woman throwing herself on the sheriff’s glorious black schnitzengruben, there is nothing in that movie substantially different from the grossest PC narratives of today.
     
    Yes and no.

    Yes, white Christian settlers were trashed. Pretty stock PC stuff there.

    On the other hand, the movie brought up almost every single black stereotype from laziness, to pot use, to relative size of certain body parts. We're not allowed to joke about that anymore. It turns out that black people are all purple snowflakes and have no group tendencies what so ever, other than group tendency to be oppressed and a victim.

    Brooks managed to trash his own culture in the next movie (Spaceballs). And a white guy (Gene Wilder) was really the comic lead in Blazing Saddles and was not presented as a buffoon.

    Yeah, it definitely follows the narrative but he is right that it would not be possible use the vast majority of the movie's jokes in a movie today.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    You are absolutely right!!!

    Mel Brooks whining about today's PC culture is pure BS since he was a major figure in helping it come about.

    Have you ever listened to Mike Enoch on The Daily Shoah over at The Right Stuff? Because he makes many of the same points about Blazing Saddles.

    But I think the main problem with making Blazing Saddles today is that the market for "entertainment" that trashes Huwhyte cisgendered male accomplishments, heroes and culture is just too saturated.

    During Mel Brooks most successful years it was hip and rebelous for liberal baby boomers to laugh at Mel farting all over the heroic archetypes that meant so much to their parents generation.

    Now that young Huwhytes are increasingly rebelling against the frightening future that Jews engineered for them via Open Borders, Multiculturalism and Globalization, Brooks' trashing of white culture is no longer funny.

    A remake of "Blazing Saddles" would flop for the same reasons that Generation Z in tuning out the NFL.
    , @Rod1963
    Indeed Blazing Saddles could be made today because it mocked white Christians and Westerns, which makes it perfectly acceptable to the Hollywood elite.

    He just shit on Westerns and Whites and Christians.

    Hollywood just followed with PC remakes of Westerns that basically killed the genre'.

    The odd thing about Blazing Saddles is that it wasn't that funny.

    If you want to talk about movies or series that can't be made "The Rifleman" comes to mind. The Left would have a heart attack. When the Left tried to remake Ghostbusters it was a dumpster fire of a dud.
    The remake of the Magnificent Seven - garbage. The Equalizer - garbage, etc.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I always thought Brooks played on stereotypes but that the jokes often worked because people believe the stereotypes, and in that way the films often reinforced what they made fun of.

    For example, in Young Frankenstein, the movie ends with the doctor having (inexplicably) received enlarged genitalia from his transfusion with the monster. The penis jokes in the movie play on 2 stereotypes: women love big ones and Jews got small ones. I don't see any way in which laughing at the movie doesn't fundamentally reinforce those 2 stereotypes.

    Similarly, in Blazing Saddles, when the whites try to get the blacks to sing a work song, we get the blacks doing complex harmony and as the whites make fools of themselves singing Camp Down Lady. But the incongruity wouldn't be funny if people didn't basically believe that reality was the opposite.

    I always thought Brooks comedy was more laughing at the world and encouraging it to laugh at itself rather than undermining social norms.

    Maybe I just have a tin ear for comedy though.
    , @IHTG
    And here we see why the alt-right will lose, because far from being the gang of irreverent memelords the media writes about, they're increasingly a bunch of humorless cunts who refuse to pick up any opportunity for mainstream traction.
    , @Brutusale
    He couldn't make the movie because of the use of the word "nigger". No other reason necessary.
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  19. Bubba says:

    Comments like this from Mel Brooks (and Jerry Seinfeld) are far too little and way too late. PC self-censorship in Hollywood started in the 90′s and has grown remorselessly by destroying anyone who thinks outside the Zeitgeist. The Hollywood Communist “blacklist” of the 50′s cannot hold a candle to today’s PC crime thought enforcers.

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  20. Speaking of PC, via Instapundit comes the news that there’s now a group of Nice White People who are volunteering to do the ‘emotional labor’ of combating racism amongst their own kind so that ‘People of Color’ don’t need to bother.

    They’re called ‘White Nonsense Roundup‘, and they seem not to be a parody. They’ve been featured as A Thing in the Huffington Post: LINK

    Here is their mission statement:

    White Nonsense Roundup (WNR) was created by white people to address our inherently racist society and stand up against racism in our own families, work spaces, and communities. We believe it is our responsibility to call out white friends, relatives, contacts, speakers, and authors who are contributing to structural racism and harming our friends of color. We are a resource for anti-racist images, links, videos, artwork, essays, and voices. These can be used by anyone for a DIY white nonsense roundup, or by the WNR team to support people of color upon their request.

    HOW IT WORKS

    If you are a Person of Color (POC), you have enough on your plate! It’s not your job to educate white people about privilege, racism, and what’s really going on in the world. If a white person is filling your social media with white nonsense – anything from overt racism to well-intentioned problematic statements – tag us and a white person will come roundup our own. We welcome your involvement, resource suggestions, and will take your feedback seriously. We are also happy to boost the signal of voices of color.

    They should just go ahead and call themselves ‘Messiahs-R-Us’.

    I’ve been making the case here for some time that SJWism is a Christian heresy in which pride-filled post-Christian white people arrogate to themselves the role of Savior. I used to think I needed to make comprehensive arguments showing how this was so. Not so much, anymore.

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    I’ve been making the case here for some time that SJWism is a Christian heresy in which pride-filled post-Christian white people arrogate to themselves the role of Savior. I used to think I needed to make comprehensive arguments showing how this was so. Not so much, anymore.
     
    Yep.

    I've thought of SJWism as an inverted, PC correct white supremacist attitude for a while. People kinda stare at me funny (they should anyway) when I say that.

    But ultimately, if you believe whitey can oppresses every other race (except maybe Asian) and all females and the only way to atone or fix it is for whitey to be involved, then you believe in a white supremacist theory.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    SJW missionaries!
    , @Harry Baldwin
    If you are a Person of Color (POC), you have enough on your plate!

    That's unforgivable. Who are you, self-righteous white person, to suggest that Black and Hispanic people have enough on their plates? Unconscious racism implying high rates of obesity among PoCs? Clean up your own bias before calling out others.

    , @Father O'Hara
    They posted Teensie Coates' Atlantic article about Trump. They call it a "long intense read." Math is hard!
    , @benjaminl
    Speaking of which, I really like John McWhorter's explanation of Ta-Nehisi Coates as the apostle of a new religion: The Religion of Anti-Racism.


    http://www.thedailybeast.com/antiracism-our-flawed-new-religion


    I wish there were more Black writers like McWhorter.
    , @Saint Louis
    Pretty close to the thesis of Paul Gottfried's book "Muliculturalism and the Politics of Guilt" if I remember it correctly. It's been about 10 years since I read it.
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  21. Coemgen says:
    @AM
    There's no way he could make Spaceballs either. It's a non-stop Jewish joke fest.

    You must mean Druish jokes.

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  22. Thomas says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Don't know if I agree. If it were an African-American director, and tweeked a bit in places (e.g. hating whitey to the Nth degree, etc.) then Blazing Saddles could definitely be made.

    If it were an African-American director, and tweeked a bit in places (e.g. hating whitey to the Nth degree, etc.) then Blazing Saddles could definitely be made.

    That raises the question then whether white Jewish male comedians can work anymore on the edge or if they’re just shoehorned now with the rest of the sweaty, painful-to-watch Colbert/Kimmel/MacFarlane goyishe kops who have to stick with the approved material.

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  23. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AM

    watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can’t blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time,
     
    In fairness to the Boomers, there were many cultural forces before then that seem to simply to bear fruit (in a bad way) in the 1960's.

    One of the reasons I call the WWII generation that instead of the Greatest Generation is that it's not entirely clear they made the best parents as a group.

    I can say that both sets of my grandparents managed to spoil my Mom and Dad to more or lessor extents. My Mom had a pony (okay old horse) paid for by my grandmother at age 28 even though she was living 2 hours away at the time. (Really!) My Dad, who was part of an oddly small family for the time, recalls getting every single thing he asked for on his Christmas list. Certainly they didn't get him on for his bad grades, which appear to be deliberate choice.

    Meanwhile, the global nationalism movements that begins with a bang in the US around the Civil War era reaches a peak in 1919-1945. Those wars would remove some of the best, brightest, and most masculine from society and the gene pool. For sure, it seems like the 1960's mark the beginning of a highly feminized chaotic time that is reactionary to the previous decades.

    That doesn't absolve the Boomers from the additional chaos they might have helped created, just like it doesn't absolve my generation for not trying harder to rein in it. But still, there's a lot of moving parts culturally and it's not fair to give Boomers all the blame.

    Boomers are not all the same – they’re a huge group. Why do some of you insist on talking about things “Boomers” did when you’re most likely actually thinking about a subset of Boomers? You should try to narrow down who it is that you’re really referring to. For one thing, you’re probably thinking of older Boomers. A lot of younger Boomers are probably more similar to Millenials.

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    Boomers are not all the same – they’re a huge group. Why do some of you insist on talking about things “Boomers” did when you’re most likely actually thinking about a subset of Boomers?
     
    Yeah..I've already had this discussion, so I don't care to repeat it. Meanwhile, I was actually defending Boomers and kinda trashing the WWII generation. Strange.
    , @TheBoom
    There is nothing the right loves more than infighting. As insane as the left may be, they tend to band together. politicians, academics, media, entertainment, and street thugs support each other more often than not for the time being. Each group on the right hates all the others. The boomers were the core group that enabled Trump and Brexit to win. So, the logical thing would be to try and red pill the boomers some more and help them move to the right. Ha! The whole idea now is to shame and exclude them. That will work out well.
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  24. Look, the craziness on campus, the PC Red Guard censoring all public discussion and the Arts actually makes sense if you believe what every leader of this society says is true. What is happening is the logical extension.

    Let’s look at what every child is told and the worldview that it creates:

    1. People of color and women are not succeeding at anything close to the rate that they should because of the racism of white men (and even white women, though maybe not as much).

    2. The neighborhoods of people of color – well, blacks and Hispanics – are incredibly dangerous due to historic and current racism by, yes, white men. Young men (and, to a degree women) of color are literally being killed because of white racism.

    3. Fifty years of various efforts to end the racism of whites have failed, yet the men and women in charge – mostly white – of universities, corporations, Hollywood and the government refuse to push for more, shall we say, punishing methods to stop whites from being racist.

    If you believed that all of that was true (and everyone arm of society – teachers, media, professors, government leaders – say it’s true) and you were black or Hispanic or, well, anyone but a white guy, wouldn’t you be pretty damn angry. Wouldn’t you say, “F*&% you, Mel Brooks. You fun little movie is perpetuating stereotypes that keep huge numbers of people down and even get people killed.”

    If you honestly thought that you and your people were being oppressed (and why wouldn’t you), none this would be a laughy matter. I doubt too many inmates at the gulags thought the guards jokes were very funny.

    This white people are causing PoC to fail worldview will not end well. If their inability to achieve like whites is caused by genetics (and it is) but believed to be caused by white “racism” that whites refuse to give up, the only logical solution is to get rid of whites.

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  25. Hibernian says:
    @Meretricious
    he's wrong--one could easily make a comedy based on all the stupid racists that managed to elect a biracial mediocrity--"Mr Barry Goes to Washington"

    You’d have a hard time getting it into theaters and/or on TV.

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  26. @The Comedian
    Between the Office, Parks and Recreation, New Girl, Master of None, Bojack Horseman, Archer, South Park, Community, Modern Family, Blackish, Brooklyn Nine Nine, Veep, its clear the minorities and women have killed comedy.

    Or maybe Steve Sailer just doesn't have a sense of humor.

    Modern Family, Blackish, Brooklyn Nine Nine aren’t close to being funny, unless you just love trashing on normal whites. Veep is very funny . . . if you’re a middle aged Nice White Lady.

    There’s not one comedy that makes fun of blacks, Jews, Hispanics or women in any real way. The only safe joke is to make fun of straight white guys.

    Comedians have become the biggest pussies. Maybe they always were. They’re terrified of offending the powers that be – and, I suspect, a good portion of them know it.

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    Comedians are total pussies - agreed. Sports media may be bigger pussies. Too close to call.
    , @The Comedian
    Person spends time on internet machine claiming others don't have talent.
    , @CAL2
    The Middle is actually a decent comedy. The father isn't played as a buffoon and everyone gets made fun of.

    Comedy is one of those genres that people vary wildly on what they like. I've never found Mel Brooks movies to particularly funny. However he is right the movie would never get made today. Actually listening to some older songs from the 80's and I realized how, and I hate this word, problematic they would be today.
    , @Kylie
    "There’s not one comedy that makes fun of blacks, Jews, Hispanics or women in any real way. The only safe joke is to make fun of straight white guys."

    I take it you've never seen "Archer". I love that show. It used the word "quadroon" in one episode.
    , @Escher
    Even children's cartoons are not immune. The token white boy is either the villain, a buffoon or a buffoonish villain.
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  27. AM says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Mel Brooks seems to have a somewhat skewed view of what constitutes political correctness. What does he mean that Blazing Saddles could not be made today because of political correctness? Blazing Saddles was political correctness! It is pure negro worship, pure down with Whitey. From the oafish Whiteness of Slim Pickens and the townspeople to the White (well, Jewish) woman throwing herself on the sheriff's glorious black schnitzengruben, there is nothing in that movie substantially different from the grossest PC narratives of today. Every movie made today is nothing but the successor of Blazing Saddles. There is a direct line of descent from Blazing Saddles to Django Unchained and Birth of a Nation.

    The fact that Mr. Brooks seems genuinely not to understand this goes to show that Jewish attitudes are highly corrosive of our culture even when the Jews do not consciously intend any harm. Their habits of instinctively lauding minority elements and fringe beliefs while endless kvetching against the majority can only result in destruction. And when at last their influence has finally succeeded in making Western countries unlivable for urbane Jews like themselves, they will turn around and blame it on us for our bigotry.

    Blazing Saddles was political correctness! It is pure negro worship, pure down with Whitey. From the oafish Whiteness of Slim Pickens and the townspeople to the White (well, Jewish) woman throwing herself on the sheriff’s glorious black schnitzengruben, there is nothing in that movie substantially different from the grossest PC narratives of today.

    Yes and no.

    Yes, white Christian settlers were trashed. Pretty stock PC stuff there.

    On the other hand, the movie brought up almost every single black stereotype from laziness, to pot use, to relative size of certain body parts. We’re not allowed to joke about that anymore. It turns out that black people are all purple snowflakes and have no group tendencies what so ever, other than group tendency to be oppressed and a victim.

    Brooks managed to trash his own culture in the next movie (Spaceballs). And a white guy (Gene Wilder) was really the comic lead in Blazing Saddles and was not presented as a buffoon.

    Yeah, it definitely follows the narrative but he is right that it would not be possible use the vast majority of the movie’s jokes in a movie today.

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    And a white guy (Gene Wilder) was really the comic lead in Blazing Saddles and was not presented as a buffoon.
     
    Gene Wilder was Jewish.
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  28. neutral says:

    On this topic of comedy, has anyone here ever had that awkward encounter where you are with some liberals at work or at parties and they show you a clip of one of those liberal “comedy” shows (John Oliver, Colbert). You are supposed to laugh, but its basically impossible to sincerely do it, even faking it is close to impossible. What am I supposed to do, I am not the type that wants to turn these things into bitter political arguments (thats what internet forums are for), but I honestly cannot stand those liberal comedy/political shows, they are just so anti funny.

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    Pretend you don't follow politics. Stare blankly at the screen, don't laugh, just shrug, and say you don't get political humor, or words to that effect. Soon enough, they'll stop showing clips to you.
    , @Elli
    You could say, "That's kind of secular-liberal-normative, isn't it?"
    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    Agree and amplify.

    "LOL he's right the world will be better when we're gone."

    Deliver it straight without irony. Accuse them of white supremacy if they back down from the consequences of their beliefs.

    Calibrate the degree of amplification to the crowd.
    , @Forbes
    Ignore them--I do. These "shows" don't present comedy, it's partisan humor. It's laughable only by sharing the partisan perspective of the set-up, as contrasted with the punch line.

    Comedy works by drawing on universals of human nature, not a particular political perspective. Political humor certainly has its place, but it's not universal when it's simply an expression of partisan animus.

    One reason PC has destroyed comedy is because it rules out-of-bounds most of the subject matter, e.g. stereotypes. Stereotypes exist because they're universally understood to be true. Yet PC prog-lefties believe "the exception that proves the rule" is proof (the exception) that stereotypes (the rule) are wrong and don't exist.

    Most people have lost the capacity to laugh at themselves. Being perpetually offended and outraged is the zeitgeist.
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  29. @Cagey Beast
    A close friend of Mel Brooks, Carl Reiner is fully on board with his son's anti-Russian hysteria. It's kind of ironic considering Carl Reiner did a great job years ago in "The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming".

    Honestly, it's the current "ass over tea kettle" mental state of the media, Hollywood and think-tanks that cries out most for being lampooned. Unfortunately, he and his son are going the other way:

    https://twitter.com/carlreiner/status/910368406112735237

    “Is there anything more terrifying than the possibility of Trump’s election being invalidated and Hillary rightfully installed as our President?”

    Fixed.

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  30. AM says:
    @Anonymous
    Boomers are not all the same - they're a huge group. Why do some of you insist on talking about things "Boomers" did when you're most likely actually thinking about a subset of Boomers? You should try to narrow down who it is that you're really referring to. For one thing, you're probably thinking of older Boomers. A lot of younger Boomers are probably more similar to Millenials.

    Boomers are not all the same – they’re a huge group. Why do some of you insist on talking about things “Boomers” did when you’re most likely actually thinking about a subset of Boomers?

    Yeah..I’ve already had this discussion, so I don’t care to repeat it. Meanwhile, I was actually defending Boomers and kinda trashing the WWII generation. Strange.

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  31. AM says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    Speaking of PC, via Instapundit comes the news that there's now a group of Nice White People who are volunteering to do the 'emotional labor' of combating racism amongst their own kind so that 'People of Color' don't need to bother.

    They're called 'White Nonsense Roundup', and they seem not to be a parody. They've been featured as A Thing in the Huffington Post: LINK

    Here is their mission statement:


    White Nonsense Roundup (WNR) was created by white people to address our inherently racist society and stand up against racism in our own families, work spaces, and communities. We believe it is our responsibility to call out white friends, relatives, contacts, speakers, and authors who are contributing to structural racism and harming our friends of color. We are a resource for anti-racist images, links, videos, artwork, essays, and voices. These can be used by anyone for a DIY white nonsense roundup, or by the WNR team to support people of color upon their request.

    HOW IT WORKS

    If you are a Person of Color (POC), you have enough on your plate! It’s not your job to educate white people about privilege, racism, and what’s really going on in the world. If a white person is filling your social media with white nonsense – anything from overt racism to well-intentioned problematic statements – tag us and a white person will come roundup our own. We welcome your involvement, resource suggestions, and will take your feedback seriously. We are also happy to boost the signal of voices of color.
     

    They should just go ahead and call themselves 'Messiahs-R-Us'.

    I've been making the case here for some time that SJWism is a Christian heresy in which pride-filled post-Christian white people arrogate to themselves the role of Savior. I used to think I needed to make comprehensive arguments showing how this was so. Not so much, anymore.

    I’ve been making the case here for some time that SJWism is a Christian heresy in which pride-filled post-Christian white people arrogate to themselves the role of Savior. I used to think I needed to make comprehensive arguments showing how this was so. Not so much, anymore.

    Yep.

    I’ve thought of SJWism as an inverted, PC correct white supremacist attitude for a while. People kinda stare at me funny (they should anyway) when I say that.

    But ultimately, if you believe whitey can oppresses every other race (except maybe Asian) and all females and the only way to atone or fix it is for whitey to be involved, then you believe in a white supremacist theory.

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  32. Glaivester says: • Website

    I never found Blazing Saddles that funny. Too earnest for what I was told was a parody/comedy.

    What Mel Brooks movies do I like? Dracula: Dead and Loving It comes to mind.

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    Thank you. I thought I was the only one who found it generally boring and stupid. I suppose 13 year old boys might giggle through some of it.

    Now, Caveman, with Ringo Starr, THAT was funny...
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  33. Peterike says:
    @27 year old
    OT

    Blue Checkmark Valarie Plame tweets unz.com article "America's jews are driving America's wars."

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910884546723196929

    REEEEEEEE happens

    Valarie doubles down, tweets several more times urging people to set aside their biases and read the entire article and think about it

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910893826079723521

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894036545765376

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894146029621249

    Then, Valarie backs down claims she only skimmed the article and somehow missed the "undercurrents" and was not aware of "the platform" (i.e. unz.com)

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914285311754240

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914329138130944

    lol all around

    ‘Blue Checkmark Valarie Plame tweets unz.com article “America’s jews are driving America’s wars.” ‘

    For a minute there I had new found respect for Secret Squirrel. But then… nope.

    Still, nice to see her spread the word!

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  34. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Speaking of PC, via Instapundit comes the news that there's now a group of Nice White People who are volunteering to do the 'emotional labor' of combating racism amongst their own kind so that 'People of Color' don't need to bother.

    They're called 'White Nonsense Roundup', and they seem not to be a parody. They've been featured as A Thing in the Huffington Post: LINK

    Here is their mission statement:


    White Nonsense Roundup (WNR) was created by white people to address our inherently racist society and stand up against racism in our own families, work spaces, and communities. We believe it is our responsibility to call out white friends, relatives, contacts, speakers, and authors who are contributing to structural racism and harming our friends of color. We are a resource for anti-racist images, links, videos, artwork, essays, and voices. These can be used by anyone for a DIY white nonsense roundup, or by the WNR team to support people of color upon their request.

    HOW IT WORKS

    If you are a Person of Color (POC), you have enough on your plate! It’s not your job to educate white people about privilege, racism, and what’s really going on in the world. If a white person is filling your social media with white nonsense – anything from overt racism to well-intentioned problematic statements – tag us and a white person will come roundup our own. We welcome your involvement, resource suggestions, and will take your feedback seriously. We are also happy to boost the signal of voices of color.
     

    They should just go ahead and call themselves 'Messiahs-R-Us'.

    I've been making the case here for some time that SJWism is a Christian heresy in which pride-filled post-Christian white people arrogate to themselves the role of Savior. I used to think I needed to make comprehensive arguments showing how this was so. Not so much, anymore.

    SJW missionaries!

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    Just when you think it can't any worse, it gets worse.

    SJW missionaries indeed. I'll keep that phrase in mind.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Isn't that what they've always been. They're just finally taking their show on the road like their forebearers.
    , @Escher
    Can expect to see them soon in Asia, spreading the gospel of PC and self-hate.
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  35. @Cagey Beast
    A close friend of Mel Brooks, Carl Reiner is fully on board with his son's anti-Russian hysteria. It's kind of ironic considering Carl Reiner did a great job years ago in "The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming".

    Honestly, it's the current "ass over tea kettle" mental state of the media, Hollywood and think-tanks that cries out most for being lampooned. Unfortunately, he and his son are going the other way:

    https://twitter.com/carlreiner/status/910368406112735237

    Apparently Carl Reiner thinks that such an eventuality would turn out well. Yes, there probably wouldn’t be “anything more exciting,” but not in the way he thinks.

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    Exactly. You go down that road and pretty soon your constitution is in the periodicals section of the library, as that old joke about the French constitution goes. I guess Rob Reiner's family and friends love the American Republic so much they'd like to have another four of them, just like in France. I'm giving them too much credit though; they assume they can just make some noise, cause a little crisis and everyone else will just be inert lumps. It's not like the US couldn't go the way of Ukraine or Russia and have gunfire and tanks on the streets of Washington.
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  36. 3g4me says:
    @27 year old
    OT

    Blue Checkmark Valarie Plame tweets unz.com article "America's jews are driving America's wars."

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910884546723196929

    REEEEEEEE happens

    Valarie doubles down, tweets several more times urging people to set aside their biases and read the entire article and think about it

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910893826079723521

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894036545765376

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894146029621249

    Then, Valarie backs down claims she only skimmed the article and somehow missed the "undercurrents" and was not aware of "the platform" (i.e. unz.com)

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914285311754240

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914329138130944

    lol all around

    @#16 27 year old: “Then, Valarie backs down claims she only skimmed the article and somehow missed the “undercurrents” and was not aware of “the platform” (i.e. unz.com)”

    My husband knew Valerie and her first husband, Todd, before she achieved riches and fame, and just remarked that she hasn’t gotten any smarter in 30 years.

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  37. Danindc says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Modern Family, Blackish, Brooklyn Nine Nine aren't close to being funny, unless you just love trashing on normal whites. Veep is very funny . . . if you're a middle aged Nice White Lady.

    There's not one comedy that makes fun of blacks, Jews, Hispanics or women in any real way. The only safe joke is to make fun of straight white guys.

    Comedians have become the biggest pussies. Maybe they always were. They're terrified of offending the powers that be - and, I suspect, a good portion of them know it.

    Comedians are total pussies – agreed. Sports media may be bigger pussies. Too close to call.

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    My bad. Sports media has to pretend to not notice hilariously in-your-face patterns every single day. I'd love to spend a week with sports reporters just to observe this ability.
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  38. Comedies work best when they’re generally even-handed about who it’s laughing at and who it’s laughing with. Allowing a character who’s generally an idiot score a point against another character is far funnier than just having it go one way all the time. John Cleese’s Fish Called Wanda and Faulty Towers spring to mind, as does Doctor Strangelove. I don’t think that kind of give and take is possible in Hollywood now.

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    Allowing a character who’s generally an idiot score a point against another character is far funnier than just having it go one way all the time.
     
    This was why I hated the Frank Burns character on M*A*S*H. I think the writers recognized this so when Linville left the show, they created Winchester to replace him. Winchester could actually hold his own against Hawkeye and BJ
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  39. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Speaking of PC, via Instapundit comes the news that there's now a group of Nice White People who are volunteering to do the 'emotional labor' of combating racism amongst their own kind so that 'People of Color' don't need to bother.

    They're called 'White Nonsense Roundup', and they seem not to be a parody. They've been featured as A Thing in the Huffington Post: LINK

    Here is their mission statement:


    White Nonsense Roundup (WNR) was created by white people to address our inherently racist society and stand up against racism in our own families, work spaces, and communities. We believe it is our responsibility to call out white friends, relatives, contacts, speakers, and authors who are contributing to structural racism and harming our friends of color. We are a resource for anti-racist images, links, videos, artwork, essays, and voices. These can be used by anyone for a DIY white nonsense roundup, or by the WNR team to support people of color upon their request.

    HOW IT WORKS

    If you are a Person of Color (POC), you have enough on your plate! It’s not your job to educate white people about privilege, racism, and what’s really going on in the world. If a white person is filling your social media with white nonsense – anything from overt racism to well-intentioned problematic statements – tag us and a white person will come roundup our own. We welcome your involvement, resource suggestions, and will take your feedback seriously. We are also happy to boost the signal of voices of color.
     

    They should just go ahead and call themselves 'Messiahs-R-Us'.

    I've been making the case here for some time that SJWism is a Christian heresy in which pride-filled post-Christian white people arrogate to themselves the role of Savior. I used to think I needed to make comprehensive arguments showing how this was so. Not so much, anymore.

    If you are a Person of Color (POC), you have enough on your plate!

    That’s unforgivable. Who are you, self-righteous white person, to suggest that Black and Hispanic people have enough on their plates? Unconscious racism implying high rates of obesity among PoCs? Clean up your own bias before calling out others.

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    Who are you, self-righteous white person, to suggest that Black and Hispanic people have enough on their plates?

     

    Yes, the condescending tone is astonishing, isn't it?

    When you claim responsibility for someone else's life, you're denying his humanity. Who's the racist then?
    , @Lovernios X
    I'll bet they speak jive* as well.

    *Airplane was funny and a candiadte for what can't be remade today.
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  40. @theMann
    I doubt many films of the 70's could be made today, probably none of the comedies. And we just had Politically correct Star Wars, the complete derivative of episode 4, itself derivative of Kurosawa, so....Star Wars, second derivative.



    I would pay money to see college Snowflakes wander into a screening of Young Frankenstein though. or Silver Streak.

    Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: You know, I’m a rather brilliant surgeon. Perhaps I can help you with that hump.

    Igor: What hump?

    No one would be able to get past the crowd of hooded and prosthetic hump-wearing anti-fas.

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    Don't forget Peter Boyles' "Special Needs," sexist jokes about Terri Garr's proportions, self-cutters (Gene Wilder accidentally stabs himself with a scalpel at one point), causing PTSD in horses by mentioning "Frau Blucher"....
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  41. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Modern Family, Blackish, Brooklyn Nine Nine aren't close to being funny, unless you just love trashing on normal whites. Veep is very funny . . . if you're a middle aged Nice White Lady.

    There's not one comedy that makes fun of blacks, Jews, Hispanics or women in any real way. The only safe joke is to make fun of straight white guys.

    Comedians have become the biggest pussies. Maybe they always were. They're terrified of offending the powers that be - and, I suspect, a good portion of them know it.

    Person spends time on internet machine claiming others don’t have talent.

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    Settle down , son. We all agree you would have made a great Comedy Czar in the Obama Administration.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Comedian posts comment, proves he lacks talent.
    , @Pericles
    Please clap.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Here's the thing. There are funny comedies and comedians out there who are PC through and through. Their problem is that they basically tell the same joke over and over because there's only one safe group to make fun of.

    Their like a restaurant that make a damn fine beef wellington but's the only meal on the menu. Night after night of the same meal - even well made - just gets boring.

    Comedians are supposed to poke at the powerful; instead, they flatter them. Hell, even in medieval times, court jesters were clever enough to make the king laugh while quietly making fun of him. Comedians these days don't even try; they're more like being a comedian for Stalin.

    Btw, when are you going to live up to your moniker.

    , @Seamus Padraig
    Meanwhile, you're on the internet, missing your casting call for America's Got Talent.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Ummm...guys? If that really is--you know-THE Comedian, maybe we oughtta back away slowly...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShTVpGuzk1M
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  42. @Harry Baldwin
    If you are a Person of Color (POC), you have enough on your plate!

    That's unforgivable. Who are you, self-righteous white person, to suggest that Black and Hispanic people have enough on their plates? Unconscious racism implying high rates of obesity among PoCs? Clean up your own bias before calling out others.

    Who are you, self-righteous white person, to suggest that Black and Hispanic people have enough on their plates?

    Yes, the condescending tone is astonishing, isn’t it?

    When you claim responsibility for someone else’s life, you’re denying his humanity. Who’s the racist then?

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  43. @Harry Baldwin
    Apparently Carl Reiner thinks that such an eventuality would turn out well. Yes, there probably wouldn't be "anything more exciting," but not in the way he thinks.

    Exactly. You go down that road and pretty soon your constitution is in the periodicals section of the library, as that old joke about the French constitution goes. I guess Rob Reiner’s family and friends love the American Republic so much they’d like to have another four of them, just like in France. I’m giving them too much credit though; they assume they can just make some noise, cause a little crisis and everyone else will just be inert lumps. It’s not like the US couldn’t go the way of Ukraine or Russia and have gunfire and tanks on the streets of Washington.

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    Carl Reiner's celebration of the United States taking those final steps to become una otra república bananera is shared by many of my acquaintances here in Deep Blue country, it seems.

    Watching the CBS and NBC Evening News has become an exercise in "How to tenderize public opinion in advance of a slow-motion coup".

    To cadge from a Dreher trope, "Don't worry, Flyover America, your voices would never be invalidated by the progressive elites, and when it does happen, just remember that you deserve it."
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  44. CAL2 says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Modern Family, Blackish, Brooklyn Nine Nine aren't close to being funny, unless you just love trashing on normal whites. Veep is very funny . . . if you're a middle aged Nice White Lady.

    There's not one comedy that makes fun of blacks, Jews, Hispanics or women in any real way. The only safe joke is to make fun of straight white guys.

    Comedians have become the biggest pussies. Maybe they always were. They're terrified of offending the powers that be - and, I suspect, a good portion of them know it.

    The Middle is actually a decent comedy. The father isn’t played as a buffoon and everyone gets made fun of.

    Comedy is one of those genres that people vary wildly on what they like. I’ve never found Mel Brooks movies to particularly funny. However he is right the movie would never get made today. Actually listening to some older songs from the 80′s and I realized how, and I hate this word, problematic they would be today.

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    True. I watched a couple of episodes of The Middle with my wife. The father was an actual, well, father and not the butt of every joke. Refreshing.
    , @Brutusale
    You have no idea, and this one is from the 90s:

    http://nypost.com/2017/09/21/sorority-probed-after-singing-n-word-lyric-in-kanye-west-song/
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  45. My daughters and I frequently text each other lines from “Young Frankenstein,” as I did tonight when I told my daughter I was going to walk her down the aisle like “Eyegore” would. “Walk this way.” Sure, you couldn’t make “Blazing Saddles” today, but remaking Monty Python’s “Life of Brian”, a comedic mockery of the life of Christ, no problem.

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  46. @neutral
    On this topic of comedy, has anyone here ever had that awkward encounter where you are with some liberals at work or at parties and they show you a clip of one of those liberal "comedy" shows (John Oliver, Colbert). You are supposed to laugh, but its basically impossible to sincerely do it, even faking it is close to impossible. What am I supposed to do, I am not the type that wants to turn these things into bitter political arguments (thats what internet forums are for), but I honestly cannot stand those liberal comedy/political shows, they are just so anti funny.

    Pretend you don’t follow politics. Stare blankly at the screen, don’t laugh, just shrug, and say you don’t get political humor, or words to that effect. Soon enough, they’ll stop showing clips to you.

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  47. @AM
    "Excuse me while I whip this out."

    "Hedley Lamarr: Qualifications?
    Applicant: Rape, murder, arson, and rape.
    Hedley Lamarr: You said rape twice.
    Applicant: I like rape. "


    "Lili Von Shtupp: Is that a ten-gallon hat, or are you just enjoying the show? "

    "Jim: I must have killed more men than Cecil B. DeMille. "

    ""Mexican Bandit: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges. "

    Dom DeLuise for the win:

    “Thoundth like Thteam ethcaping.”

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  48. @Intelligent Dasein
    Mel Brooks seems to have a somewhat skewed view of what constitutes political correctness. What does he mean that Blazing Saddles could not be made today because of political correctness? Blazing Saddles was political correctness! It is pure negro worship, pure down with Whitey. From the oafish Whiteness of Slim Pickens and the townspeople to the White (well, Jewish) woman throwing herself on the sheriff's glorious black schnitzengruben, there is nothing in that movie substantially different from the grossest PC narratives of today. Every movie made today is nothing but the successor of Blazing Saddles. There is a direct line of descent from Blazing Saddles to Django Unchained and Birth of a Nation.

    The fact that Mr. Brooks seems genuinely not to understand this goes to show that Jewish attitudes are highly corrosive of our culture even when the Jews do not consciously intend any harm. Their habits of instinctively lauding minority elements and fringe beliefs while endless kvetching against the majority can only result in destruction. And when at last their influence has finally succeeded in making Western countries unlivable for urbane Jews like themselves, they will turn around and blame it on us for our bigotry.

    You are absolutely right!!!

    Mel Brooks whining about today’s PC culture is pure BS since he was a major figure in helping it come about.

    Have you ever listened to Mike Enoch on The Daily Shoah over at The Right Stuff? Because he makes many of the same points about Blazing Saddles.

    But I think the main problem with making Blazing Saddles today is that the market for “entertainment” that trashes Huwhyte cisgendered male accomplishments, heroes and culture is just too saturated.

    During Mel Brooks most successful years it was hip and rebelous for liberal baby boomers to laugh at Mel farting all over the heroic archetypes that meant so much to their parents generation.

    Now that young Huwhytes are increasingly rebelling against the frightening future that Jews engineered for them via Open Borders, Multiculturalism and Globalization, Brooks’ trashing of white culture is no longer funny.

    A remake of “Blazing Saddles” would flop for the same reasons that Generation Z in tuning out the NFL.

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    48 anonymous-antimarxist > Mel Brooks whining about today’s PC culture is pure BS since he was a major figure in helping it come about.


    and here I was, thinking that it was all the white people who bought all those tickets.

    American Jews succeed by by being good at filling vacuums left behind by white people.
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  49. @The Comedian
    Between the Office, Parks and Recreation, New Girl, Master of None, Bojack Horseman, Archer, South Park, Community, Modern Family, Blackish, Brooklyn Nine Nine, Veep, its clear the minorities and women have killed comedy.

    Or maybe Steve Sailer just doesn't have a sense of humor.

    Archer is hilarious, and makes fun of blacks, women, and fruitcakes every episode.

    There are only two reasons to watch Modern Family: Sophia and Vergara. When she’s off screen, simply change the channel.

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    Archer is great. Also Vice Principals. From the guys who did East Bound and Down. Although a lot of reviewers trashed the show or had reservations. I found it pretty funny people talking about the supposed white privilege of fictional mid level public school administrators. Naturally the black woman principal is shown as smarter. When she's hired over them one says "I think I can affirmatively say why she was hired." That these idiots burn her house down is supposedly problematic. Anyway, my grade school principal in 1971 was black. Not like there aren't people of all kinds coasting on privilege in public schools for at least the last half century.

    McBride basically reprises Kenny Powers. His sidekick, Walter Goggans, is great.

    , @Ivy
    Some shows are better with the sound off, and others with the TV off.
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  50. dr kill says:
    @The Comedian
    Person spends time on internet machine claiming others don't have talent.

    Settle down , son. We all agree you would have made a great Comedy Czar in the Obama Administration.

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    Take a step back, take off the political blinders or whatever social grudges from better times nostalgia are on your mind, and enjoy some great TV. Trust me, life is more enjoyable when you aren't thinking about how modern comedy is part of a White Genocide plot.
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  51. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    In some ways, Brooks is right.

    Mainstream comedy has gotten more sensitive.

    When Jews were climbing in power against white Christians, they needed irreverence as weapon.

    Now, they impose reverence for Jewish Interests and Homo identity.

    But is there a mainstream anymore? Now, music videos are close to porn, and kids have access to porn, violent video games, etc. Our culture is far more vulgar. We have a huge protest parade with women dressed up as vaginas. We have massive homo parades.

    And violence in movies, once controversial, is now accepted as norm. Take 300 RISE OF AN EMPIRE. Blood splattering and limbs being hacked off are done merely for effect.

    So, our society has gotten pornier, more vulgar, more crude. Yet also more PC. That’s the paradox. In the past, crudity and irreverence was to attack the system.
    Now, it’s all part of the system.

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    When Jews were climbing in power against white Christians, they needed irreverence as weapon.
     
    When? Where?

    In Hollywood in the mid 1970s when they already controlled Hollywood for 50 years and were free of the production codes forced on them by the Catholic Church for 10 years???
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  52. Yak-15 says:
    @415 reasons
    The entire American consensus has unraveled. There is no longer a consensus to support free speech because there is no longer a consensus about the goals of politics. I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife because contemporary liberalism has turned so dramatically away from what a generation ago were shared American values. Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can't blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time, have made completely obsolete the core American values, shared assumptions, and shared experience that made a movie like "Blazing Saddles" funny. Blazing Saddles was made in a different country, it couldn't be made in America in 2017 any more than a Fellini film or a Kurosawa film.

    From my view, born a decade after the end of the Vietnam War, it seems as though it was the disaster that delegitimized WASP rule.

    When I read books like the Halberstam’s Best and Brightest and I cannot help but notice the complete destruction of the WASP ruling class in its pages. However, it was their gambit on a stupid war and I cannot blame America for turning on them. Even when we got back a WASP in the Oval Office, GWB, he completely decimated America once again.

    We complain about having relatively few WASPs in power, but the ones we have put in power have sucked.

    BTW, I am Episcopalian and I am also embarrassed by my church. What a disgrace.

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    Yea, I can understand where the disillusionment with traditional America comes from. The Brazilified America of the future seems like it will be a much worse country. Perhaps it won't even be competent enough to undertake global scale military blunders anymore.
    , @Cagey Beast
    I watched this 1963 news footage of the US backed coup in South Vietnam and was struck by just how Jacobin the anchorman and correspondents are. This is very typically American. All other countries are run by "tyrants" who really shouldn't be allowed to remain in power another week. Different countries end up in Washington's in-basket but the procedure is the same. Wash, rise and repeat for 60 years.

    https://youtu.be/OewhlYeU2fo?t=1445

    , @Dave Pinsen
    Steve quoted a post years ago by a WASP foreign policy guy lamenting, IIRC, that America had gotten mired in Iraq because guys like him were too busy watching golf while guys like Wolfowitz and Feith were running the store. But as you remind us a Bush was President.

    The W administration is the only time I remember anyone talking about a deputy defense secretary and an undersecretary of the defense department. Kind of weird how I couldn't tell you who today's deputy defense secretary was without looking it up.
    , @Anonymouse
    I was in the army with Halberstam in 1957, he a Harvard graduate, I a Brooklyn College graduate. He had brought a small Nash Rambler to basic training in South Carolina. The first sergeant a gay lush who alternated playing good cop and bad cop offered some of us the use of his parents' beach house in Myrtle Beach for a weekend pass we got half way through basic. I wound up as the passenger in Halberstam's car as we drove from Columbia east through the lowlands of SC seeing a negro driving a mule wagon, everything being half-underwater in the late spring. So H and I talked for about 4 hours. He was very hot vis-a-vis America's world role as a patriotic idiot. When I got to go/went up to Harvard graduate school, I discovered that H had been editor of the Crimson the very-well written student newspaper in those years (59-63). I heard some snide putdowns on his straight-arrow MO. So i was eager to read his book and yes he was the schlemiel he was alleged to be: gets everything backwards on a consistent basis. He was killed young in an auto accident in SF and his brother had been murdered on the streets of Washington, D.C. Weird!
    , @Anonymouse
    I was in the army with Halberstam in 1957, he a Harvard graduate, I a Brooklyn College graduate. He had brought a small Nash Rambler to basic training in South Carolina. The first sergeant a gay lush who alternated playing good cop and bad cop offered some of us the use of his parents' beach house in Myrtle Beach for a weekend pass we got half way through basic. I wound up as the passenger in Halberstam's car as we drove from Columbia east through the lowlands of SC seeing a negro driving a mule wagon, everything being half-underwater in the late spring. So H and I talked for about 4 hours. He was very hot vis-a-vis America's world role as a patriotic idiot. When I got to go/went up to Harvard graduate school, I discovered that H had been editor of the Crimson the very-well written student newspaper in those years (59-63). I heard some snide putdowns on his straight-arrow MO. So i was eager to read his book and yes he was the schlemiel he was alleged to be: gets everything backwards on a consistent basis. He was killed young in an auto accident in SF and his brother had been murdered on the streets of Washington, D.C. Weird!
    , @Reg Cæsar

    However, it was their gambit on a stupid war...
     
    Are you talking about 1963, or 1950, or 1942, 0r 1917, or...?
    , @Seamus Padraig

    When I read books like the Halberstam’s Best and Brightest and I cannot help but notice the complete destruction of the WASP ruling class in its pages. However, it was their gambit on a stupid war and I cannot blame America for turning on them.
     
    Think the same thing will happen now with the Jews? Or will it be different, since they control the media.
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  53. Elli says:
    @neutral
    On this topic of comedy, has anyone here ever had that awkward encounter where you are with some liberals at work or at parties and they show you a clip of one of those liberal "comedy" shows (John Oliver, Colbert). You are supposed to laugh, but its basically impossible to sincerely do it, even faking it is close to impossible. What am I supposed to do, I am not the type that wants to turn these things into bitter political arguments (thats what internet forums are for), but I honestly cannot stand those liberal comedy/political shows, they are just so anti funny.

    You could say, “That’s kind of secular-liberal-normative, isn’t it?”

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  54. Yak-15 says:
    @27 year old
    OT

    Blue Checkmark Valarie Plame tweets unz.com article "America's jews are driving America's wars."

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910884546723196929

    REEEEEEEE happens

    Valarie doubles down, tweets several more times urging people to set aside their biases and read the entire article and think about it

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910893826079723521

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894036545765376

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894146029621249

    Then, Valarie backs down claims she only skimmed the article and somehow missed the "undercurrents" and was not aware of "the platform" (i.e. unz.com)

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914285311754240

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914329138130944

    lol all around

    The article is called “America’s Jews are driving America’s Wars.”

    What subtle undercurrents could she possibly have missed?

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    That title reminded me of Mel Gibson's drunken rant.

    Seems like a good news-bad news day for Ron Unz.

    Good news: record traffic, presumably.

    Bad news: "highbrow" rep tarnished.

    Just seems an own goal for the... whatever ___-right you'd call this site, now that "alt-right" has be trashed as a brand (sort of like James Damore tweeting about how cool KKK titles were).

    Unless -- here's a conspiracy theory for you -- Giraldi and fellow CIA alum Plame are trying to discredit Unz.com on behalf of the deep state.

    https://twitter.com/ronunz1/status/788791775322312704
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  55. Moshe says:
    @Barnard
    This seems like one of those truths that is self evident. Most comedies made before the mid 90s would have to be changed significantly in order to be made today. How many movies from that era didn't have at least some racial and ethnic stereotypes.

    Are you kidding?? Comedies made in 2010 couldn’t be made now!

    Galaxia in Anger Management, 22 Jumpstreet Principal with a vagina that doesn’t work, etc.

    The sudden normalizing of men with beards proudly sporting bras (very common in Manhattan now) drew a line in Comedy Sand. Beyond this line enjoying the vulgar hilarity of trannyism is verboten.

    Watching movies from 2002 feels like engaging in an act of teenage rebelliousness.

    A part of me wishes Hilary had won just so I could watch the rest of this trippy movie and see what lies beyond Dogs without leashes, Dwindling meat offering restaurants and Land reappropriations.

    Would there be a ln officially praised suicide movement, an amendment making mandarin the official language, progressive cities criminalizing infiltration, the actual adoption of sharia law in detroit or some currently impossible to imagine new religion?

    Of course it would be disgusting but I’m genuinely curious what would have happened!

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    Penetration*
    , @Lagertha

    what would have happened!
     
    well, I think my biggest fear, as a mother, a WASP I suppose, and a Patriot, is: liberals pushing for normalization of pedophilia/softening the idea that it is ok to have sex with children/use kids as sex toys....because, all the coarsening of culture (art, movies, music, theater, fashion) has presented, and lain the ground work for years now, that: nothing is sacred. And, the bridge to pedophilia that liberals seem so obviously to lust for, seems frighteningly possible.

    Everyone is worked up over college boys supposedly raping girls all the time, but, they give a hall pass to repeat offenders who are famous; felons who have killed, animal abusers; immigrants/religious cults who practice female circumcision/take on child brides...not to mention kill homosexuals.

    So many liberals are fine with amoral, sleazy, scumbaggy behavior, foul language; grotesque behavior/language in public, on stage, in their own communities, hopefully, not in front of their children. Young women, for instance, dress like whores or losers. It's so ewww...it's like liberals are obsessed with genitalia 24/7. They even give their babies porn-star names these days! But, yeah, in a weird way I feel like the more children are being sexualized, the more people will think it is no big deal to cross over.

    , @Bleuteaux
    This is true. Watch the early seasons of the Office. Hell, anything before about 2006 would never be made today.

    I think Obama's election gave the left the opportunity to turn up the heat on the frog from a slow to roiling boil.

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  56. @Yak-15
    From my view, born a decade after the end of the Vietnam War, it seems as though it was the disaster that delegitimized WASP rule.

    When I read books like the Halberstam's Best and Brightest and I cannot help but notice the complete destruction of the WASP ruling class in its pages. However, it was their gambit on a stupid war and I cannot blame America for turning on them. Even when we got back a WASP in the Oval Office, GWB, he completely decimated America once again.

    We complain about having relatively few WASPs in power, but the ones we have put in power have sucked.

    BTW, I am Episcopalian and I am also embarrassed by my church. What a disgrace.

    Yea, I can understand where the disillusionment with traditional America comes from. The Brazilified America of the future seems like it will be a much worse country. Perhaps it won’t even be competent enough to undertake global scale military blunders anymore.

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    It will be able to project power until the financial ability to do so, the dollar as a reserve currency, collapses.
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  57. @dr kill
    Settle down , son. We all agree you would have made a great Comedy Czar in the Obama Administration.

    Take a step back, take off the political blinders or whatever social grudges from better times nostalgia are on your mind, and enjoy some great TV. Trust me, life is more enjoyable when you aren’t thinking about how modern comedy is part of a White Genocide plot.

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    Exactamonodo.

    Unless you do it for fun and you recognize that it isn't really true. Well, part of it is true but it's not important.

    Live your life and just do this stuff if it's fun for you.
    , @Pericles
    Morphine at the hospice.
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  58. Moshe says:
    @415 reasons
    The entire American consensus has unraveled. There is no longer a consensus to support free speech because there is no longer a consensus about the goals of politics. I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife because contemporary liberalism has turned so dramatically away from what a generation ago were shared American values. Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can't blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time, have made completely obsolete the core American values, shared assumptions, and shared experience that made a movie like "Blazing Saddles" funny. Blazing Saddles was made in a different country, it couldn't be made in America in 2017 any more than a Fellini film or a Kurosawa film.

    I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife

    That is absolutely horrifying.

    To be afraid to talk to anyone other than your wife about….well, A LOT. Politics, society, the education system, morals, sexual and ethnic identifies, law, race…

    That really sounds horrifying.

    I get if you feel like you can’t tell anyone but your wife that you fantasize being penetrated by a horse or would like to see segregation or think that there should be an upper quota on how much money jews can own but simply that you have more or less similar principles or preferences as tens of millions of your co-citizens….

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    I work in a very liberal field and my friends are all very liberal. A few of my friend's know I voted for Trump but it's really not worth getting into specifics. I never mention anything about politics (or even the news in general since the news is so political these days) to anyone at work, ever.
    , @bartok
    Moldbug has shown that Western countries are a ruled by a theocratic bureaucracy.

    To add color, this ruling government and its client states are Orwellian. Per Moldbug, an Orwellian state cares what its people think. Any state that cares what its people think will ensure that they think the right thoughts.

    And that is why you are not free to express your beliefs.

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  59. @Yak-15
    From my view, born a decade after the end of the Vietnam War, it seems as though it was the disaster that delegitimized WASP rule.

    When I read books like the Halberstam's Best and Brightest and I cannot help but notice the complete destruction of the WASP ruling class in its pages. However, it was their gambit on a stupid war and I cannot blame America for turning on them. Even when we got back a WASP in the Oval Office, GWB, he completely decimated America once again.

    We complain about having relatively few WASPs in power, but the ones we have put in power have sucked.

    BTW, I am Episcopalian and I am also embarrassed by my church. What a disgrace.

    I watched this 1963 news footage of the US backed coup in South Vietnam and was struck by just how Jacobin the anchorman and correspondents are. This is very typically American. All other countries are run by “tyrants” who really shouldn’t be allowed to remain in power another week. Different countries end up in Washington’s in-basket but the procedure is the same. Wash, rise and repeat for 60 years.

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  60. @Moshe

    I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife
     
    That is absolutely horrifying.

    To be afraid to talk to anyone other than your wife about....well, A LOT. Politics, society, the education system, morals, sexual and ethnic identifies, law, race...

    That really sounds horrifying.

    I get if you feel like you can't tell anyone but your wife that you fantasize being penetrated by a horse or would like to see segregation or think that there should be an upper quota on how much money jews can own but simply that you have more or less similar principles or preferences as tens of millions of your co-citizens....

    I work in a very liberal field and my friends are all very liberal. A few of my friend’s know I voted for Trump but it’s really not worth getting into specifics. I never mention anything about politics (or even the news in general since the news is so political these days) to anyone at work, ever.

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    I get that and it sounds fine if it's something that rarely comes up. But if it's the sort of thing that comes up and everyone's bobbing their heads up and down saying and laughing and tut tutting the same things and you have to literally grin and bear it...sounds horrible.

    I hope it rarely comes up.
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  61. @Anon
    In some ways, Brooks is right.

    Mainstream comedy has gotten more sensitive.

    When Jews were climbing in power against white Christians, they needed irreverence as weapon.

    Now, they impose reverence for Jewish Interests and Homo identity.

    But is there a mainstream anymore? Now, music videos are close to porn, and kids have access to porn, violent video games, etc. Our culture is far more vulgar. We have a huge protest parade with women dressed up as vaginas. We have massive homo parades.

    And violence in movies, once controversial, is now accepted as norm. Take 300 RISE OF AN EMPIRE. Blood splattering and limbs being hacked off are done merely for effect.

    So, our society has gotten pornier, more vulgar, more crude. Yet also more PC. That's the paradox. In the past, crudity and irreverence was to attack the system.
    Now, it's all part of the system.

    When Jews were climbing in power against white Christians, they needed irreverence as weapon.

    When? Where?

    In Hollywood in the mid 1970s when they already controlled Hollywood for 50 years and were free of the production codes forced on them by the Catholic Church for 10 years???

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  62. I liked John Milius’ Apocalypse Now! (1979 Original length), Conan the Barbarian (1982) and Red Dawn (1984). The Conan and Red Dawn remakes just lacked something… Milius said that the RD remake should have Mexico as the invading force; I guess PC means you have the artistic vision of a committee…

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    Wasn't Apocalypse Now directed by Francis Ford Coppola?
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  63. Moshe says:
    @Moshe
    Are you kidding?? Comedies made in 2010 couldn't be made now!

    Galaxia in Anger Management, 22 Jumpstreet Principal with a vagina that doesn't work, etc.

    The sudden normalizing of men with beards proudly sporting bras (very common in Manhattan now) drew a line in Comedy Sand. Beyond this line enjoying the vulgar hilarity of trannyism is verboten.

    Watching movies from 2002 feels like engaging in an act of teenage rebelliousness.

    A part of me wishes Hilary had won just so I could watch the rest of this trippy movie and see what lies beyond Dogs without leashes, Dwindling meat offering restaurants and Land reappropriations.

    Would there be a ln officially praised suicide movement, an amendment making mandarin the official language, progressive cities criminalizing infiltration, the actual adoption of sharia law in detroit or some currently impossible to imagine new religion?

    Of course it would be disgusting but I'm genuinely curious what would have happened!

    Penetration*

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  64. Rod1963 says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Mel Brooks seems to have a somewhat skewed view of what constitutes political correctness. What does he mean that Blazing Saddles could not be made today because of political correctness? Blazing Saddles was political correctness! It is pure negro worship, pure down with Whitey. From the oafish Whiteness of Slim Pickens and the townspeople to the White (well, Jewish) woman throwing herself on the sheriff's glorious black schnitzengruben, there is nothing in that movie substantially different from the grossest PC narratives of today. Every movie made today is nothing but the successor of Blazing Saddles. There is a direct line of descent from Blazing Saddles to Django Unchained and Birth of a Nation.

    The fact that Mr. Brooks seems genuinely not to understand this goes to show that Jewish attitudes are highly corrosive of our culture even when the Jews do not consciously intend any harm. Their habits of instinctively lauding minority elements and fringe beliefs while endless kvetching against the majority can only result in destruction. And when at last their influence has finally succeeded in making Western countries unlivable for urbane Jews like themselves, they will turn around and blame it on us for our bigotry.

    Indeed Blazing Saddles could be made today because it mocked white Christians and Westerns, which makes it perfectly acceptable to the Hollywood elite.

    He just shit on Westerns and Whites and Christians.

    Hollywood just followed with PC remakes of Westerns that basically killed the genre’.

    The odd thing about Blazing Saddles is that it wasn’t that funny.

    If you want to talk about movies or series that can’t be made “The Rifleman” comes to mind. The Left would have a heart attack. When the Left tried to remake Ghostbusters it was a dumpster fire of a dud.
    The remake of the Magnificent Seven – garbage. The Equalizer – garbage, etc.

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    Hollywood just followed with PC remakes of Westerns that basically killed the genre’.
     
    There were still some non-subversive westerns made in the 70s. I'm not a big fan of the genre, but The Outlaw Josey Wales was pretty good.

    And even later, there have been a few good ones (in my opinion): Tombstone, Wyatt Earp, and Open Range.

    "The odd thing about Blazing Saddles is that it wasn’t that funny."

    Agreed. I thoughy it was funny when I was 10 years old. But I grew up. The only one of Brooks' movies I might still find funny was The Producers. Okay, maybe Silent Movie - it had its moments anyway. Other than that, I find Brooks' movies to be excrutiatingly bad.
    , @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Speaking of colored cowboys, how bout that new Dark Tower movie? 16% on Rotten Tomatoes. LOL

    P.S. - The new Ghostbusters really wasn't that bad. Some funny cameos if nothing else. At least they didn't make Leslie Jones the brilliant scientist.
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  65. Moshe says:
    @The Comedian
    Take a step back, take off the political blinders or whatever social grudges from better times nostalgia are on your mind, and enjoy some great TV. Trust me, life is more enjoyable when you aren't thinking about how modern comedy is part of a White Genocide plot.

    Exactamonodo.

    Unless you do it for fun and you recognize that it isn’t really true. Well, part of it is true but it’s not important.

    Live your life and just do this stuff if it’s fun for you.

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  66. Moshe says:
    @415 reasons
    I work in a very liberal field and my friends are all very liberal. A few of my friend's know I voted for Trump but it's really not worth getting into specifics. I never mention anything about politics (or even the news in general since the news is so political these days) to anyone at work, ever.

    I get that and it sounds fine if it’s something that rarely comes up. But if it’s the sort of thing that comes up and everyone’s bobbing their heads up and down saying and laughing and tut tutting the same things and you have to literally grin and bear it…sounds horrible.

    I hope it rarely comes up.

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  67. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Our society is more PC but this is what passes as ‘conservatism’.

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  68. @The Comedian
    Between the Office, Parks and Recreation, New Girl, Master of None, Bojack Horseman, Archer, South Park, Community, Modern Family, Blackish, Brooklyn Nine Nine, Veep, its clear the minorities and women have killed comedy.

    Or maybe Steve Sailer just doesn't have a sense of humor.

    You watch a lot of tv.

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  69. Mr. Anon says:

    Mel Brooks Say “Blazing Saddles” Could Not be Made Today Due to PC

    Despite that, I’m still opposed to PC.

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  70. Mr. Anon says:
    @Rod1963
    Indeed Blazing Saddles could be made today because it mocked white Christians and Westerns, which makes it perfectly acceptable to the Hollywood elite.

    He just shit on Westerns and Whites and Christians.

    Hollywood just followed with PC remakes of Westerns that basically killed the genre'.

    The odd thing about Blazing Saddles is that it wasn't that funny.

    If you want to talk about movies or series that can't be made "The Rifleman" comes to mind. The Left would have a heart attack. When the Left tried to remake Ghostbusters it was a dumpster fire of a dud.
    The remake of the Magnificent Seven - garbage. The Equalizer - garbage, etc.

    Hollywood just followed with PC remakes of Westerns that basically killed the genre’.

    There were still some non-subversive westerns made in the 70s. I’m not a big fan of the genre, but The Outlaw Josey Wales was pretty good.

    And even later, there have been a few good ones (in my opinion): Tombstone, Wyatt Earp, and Open Range.

    “The odd thing about Blazing Saddles is that it wasn’t that funny.”

    Agreed. I thoughy it was funny when I was 10 years old. But I grew up. The only one of Brooks’ movies I might still find funny was The Producers. Okay, maybe Silent Movie – it had its moments anyway. Other than that, I find Brooks’ movies to be excrutiatingly bad.

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    Appaloosa is a good recent western.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    History of The World, Part One and Space Balls are funny. The "Puttin' on The Ritz" scene in Young Frankenstein is comedy gold.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    The last great western that was truly respectful of and celebrated the genre was The Shootist with John Wayne. It is a great and vastly under appreciated film.
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  71. Thirdeye says:
    @415 reasons
    The entire American consensus has unraveled. There is no longer a consensus to support free speech because there is no longer a consensus about the goals of politics. I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife because contemporary liberalism has turned so dramatically away from what a generation ago were shared American values. Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can't blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time, have made completely obsolete the core American values, shared assumptions, and shared experience that made a movie like "Blazing Saddles" funny. Blazing Saddles was made in a different country, it couldn't be made in America in 2017 any more than a Fellini film or a Kurosawa film.

    The slide began with the defamation of Daniel Patrick Moynihan:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_For_National_Action

    The firehoses, dogs, and clubs of Bull Connor were fresh in everyone’s minds and people wanted to believe that the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act would be watershed events on race in America. No one wanted to confront the issue of dysfunction among blacks.

    Then it only got worse with the fawning reception given the woeful Kerner Commission report:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerner_Commission

    And the Nixon Administration was fully on board with the excesses in response, including quota hiring and the forced busing fiasco. But somehow Nixon got tarred as racist anyway.

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  72. I was thinking he meant that it couldn’t be made today because of all the black jokes. I had forgotten about the rape jokes.

    “We’ll work up the old Niumbr Six on them!”

    “Sorry, I’m not familiar.”

    “That’s when we go a ridin’ into town, a-whompin’ and a whoopin’ everything that moves to within an inch of its life. Except for the women-folk.”

    “You spare the women?”

    “Hell naw! We rape the s— out of them at the Number Six Dance afterwards.”

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  73. Neuday says:
    @Cagey Beast
    A close friend of Mel Brooks, Carl Reiner is fully on board with his son's anti-Russian hysteria. It's kind of ironic considering Carl Reiner did a great job years ago in "The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming".

    Honestly, it's the current "ass over tea kettle" mental state of the media, Hollywood and think-tanks that cries out most for being lampooned. Unfortunately, he and his son are going the other way:

    https://twitter.com/carlreiner/status/910368406112735237

    I agree, as civil wars are indeed “exciting”.

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  74. Lagertha says:
    @Moshe
    Are you kidding?? Comedies made in 2010 couldn't be made now!

    Galaxia in Anger Management, 22 Jumpstreet Principal with a vagina that doesn't work, etc.

    The sudden normalizing of men with beards proudly sporting bras (very common in Manhattan now) drew a line in Comedy Sand. Beyond this line enjoying the vulgar hilarity of trannyism is verboten.

    Watching movies from 2002 feels like engaging in an act of teenage rebelliousness.

    A part of me wishes Hilary had won just so I could watch the rest of this trippy movie and see what lies beyond Dogs without leashes, Dwindling meat offering restaurants and Land reappropriations.

    Would there be a ln officially praised suicide movement, an amendment making mandarin the official language, progressive cities criminalizing infiltration, the actual adoption of sharia law in detroit or some currently impossible to imagine new religion?

    Of course it would be disgusting but I'm genuinely curious what would have happened!

    what would have happened!

    well, I think my biggest fear, as a mother, a WASP I suppose, and a Patriot, is: liberals pushing for normalization of pedophilia/softening the idea that it is ok to have sex with children/use kids as sex toys….because, all the coarsening of culture (art, movies, music, theater, fashion) has presented, and lain the ground work for years now, that: nothing is sacred. And, the bridge to pedophilia that liberals seem so obviously to lust for, seems frighteningly possible.

    Everyone is worked up over college boys supposedly raping girls all the time, but, they give a hall pass to repeat offenders who are famous; felons who have killed, animal abusers; immigrants/religious cults who practice female circumcision/take on child brides…not to mention kill homosexuals.

    So many liberals are fine with amoral, sleazy, scumbaggy behavior, foul language; grotesque behavior/language in public, on stage, in their own communities, hopefully, not in front of their children. Young women, for instance, dress like whores or losers. It’s so ewww…it’s like liberals are obsessed with genitalia 24/7. They even give their babies porn-star names these days! But, yeah, in a weird way I feel like the more children are being sexualized, the more people will think it is no big deal to cross over.

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  75. bartok says:
    @Moshe

    I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife
     
    That is absolutely horrifying.

    To be afraid to talk to anyone other than your wife about....well, A LOT. Politics, society, the education system, morals, sexual and ethnic identifies, law, race...

    That really sounds horrifying.

    I get if you feel like you can't tell anyone but your wife that you fantasize being penetrated by a horse or would like to see segregation or think that there should be an upper quota on how much money jews can own but simply that you have more or less similar principles or preferences as tens of millions of your co-citizens....

    Moldbug has shown that Western countries are a ruled by a theocratic bureaucracy.

    To add color, this ruling government and its client states are Orwellian. Per Moldbug, an Orwellian state cares what its people think. Any state that cares what its people think will ensure that they think the right thoughts.

    And that is why you are not free to express your beliefs.

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  76. @Mr. Anon

    Hollywood just followed with PC remakes of Westerns that basically killed the genre’.
     
    There were still some non-subversive westerns made in the 70s. I'm not a big fan of the genre, but The Outlaw Josey Wales was pretty good.

    And even later, there have been a few good ones (in my opinion): Tombstone, Wyatt Earp, and Open Range.

    "The odd thing about Blazing Saddles is that it wasn’t that funny."

    Agreed. I thoughy it was funny when I was 10 years old. But I grew up. The only one of Brooks' movies I might still find funny was The Producers. Okay, maybe Silent Movie - it had its moments anyway. Other than that, I find Brooks' movies to be excrutiatingly bad.

    Appaloosa is a good recent western.

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    In a classic western the heroines are either virtuous or once fallen women called back to virtue by the clear show of character and bravery of the hero with whom they now pledge lasting devotion and fidelity.

    In Appaloosa, the film ends with us knowing that the unstable promiscuous Allie French will never be able to be a good wife to the sheriff. Instead she will secretly long after his deputy partner who killed the bad guy who she was also lusting after. Therefore the deputy must leave town again if there is to be any hope for the relationship.

    So the partnership between the two lawmen based on duty, courage and trust is sacrificed for a doomed sexual relationship likely to end in childlessness, divorce and heartache.

    That may win kudos from the cynical manosphere but it does not meet the definition of a classic western.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    Think for a moment just how Appaloosa, pales in comparison to the classic Shane. In Shane Shane the gunfighter finally knocks the father out after a grueling fistfight so the father will not go to his certain death fighting the Ryker gang for which he is no match. Shane affords the the father the opportunity to demonstrate both his courage and goodness and his worthiness of the continued love of his wife and son.

    Think how simple it would have been for Shane to have not also taken a beating, allowing the father to go to his death, then kill the Ryker gang. The lonely Shane would have had the chance claim a beautiful widow who can not help to be attracted to him and the boy who adores him and he also loves as his own.

    Instead Shane leaves town because he knows that if he stayed he would pose a sexual rival to the father and the other menfolk even if he does not wish to be one. The adoring wife and mother will no longer be subjected to temptation or gossip and we know her continued virtue is assured. Shane remains the chaste hero who will go on way perhaps taming the next town and finding love there. The film ends with us confident that the family will remain intact.

    Appaloosa may have some realist elements the mgtow crowd would love but it by no means a "classic" western.
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  77. @AM

    watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can’t blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time,
     
    In fairness to the Boomers, there were many cultural forces before then that seem to simply to bear fruit (in a bad way) in the 1960's.

    One of the reasons I call the WWII generation that instead of the Greatest Generation is that it's not entirely clear they made the best parents as a group.

    I can say that both sets of my grandparents managed to spoil my Mom and Dad to more or lessor extents. My Mom had a pony (okay old horse) paid for by my grandmother at age 28 even though she was living 2 hours away at the time. (Really!) My Dad, who was part of an oddly small family for the time, recalls getting every single thing he asked for on his Christmas list. Certainly they didn't get him on for his bad grades, which appear to be deliberate choice.

    Meanwhile, the global nationalism movements that begins with a bang in the US around the Civil War era reaches a peak in 1919-1945. Those wars would remove some of the best, brightest, and most masculine from society and the gene pool. For sure, it seems like the 1960's mark the beginning of a highly feminized chaotic time that is reactionary to the previous decades.

    That doesn't absolve the Boomers from the additional chaos they might have helped created, just like it doesn't absolve my generation for not trying harder to rein in it. But still, there's a lot of moving parts culturally and it's not fair to give Boomers all the blame.

    Try not to generalize so much. We should try to entice people to our p.o.v., not antagonize them by making sweeping generalizations about a group based only that they were born in specified time period.

    I’m a boomer but I avoided the insanity. In fact, in high school, hippies were a small minority.

    At university there were plenty of hippies but none of them were studying physics or math. I never got to know even one of them.

    I wasn’t attracted to them at all. If asked about the Vietnam war (I’m in Canada, not the US) I said, “I don’t know enough about it to make a judgement one way or the other.”

    The boomers you’re criticizing were a distinct minority of their age cohort.

    Think, anything you write might be read by anyone. Do you want to encourage people to consider our viewpoints or not?

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  78. @AM

    watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can’t blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time,
     
    In fairness to the Boomers, there were many cultural forces before then that seem to simply to bear fruit (in a bad way) in the 1960's.

    One of the reasons I call the WWII generation that instead of the Greatest Generation is that it's not entirely clear they made the best parents as a group.

    I can say that both sets of my grandparents managed to spoil my Mom and Dad to more or lessor extents. My Mom had a pony (okay old horse) paid for by my grandmother at age 28 even though she was living 2 hours away at the time. (Really!) My Dad, who was part of an oddly small family for the time, recalls getting every single thing he asked for on his Christmas list. Certainly they didn't get him on for his bad grades, which appear to be deliberate choice.

    Meanwhile, the global nationalism movements that begins with a bang in the US around the Civil War era reaches a peak in 1919-1945. Those wars would remove some of the best, brightest, and most masculine from society and the gene pool. For sure, it seems like the 1960's mark the beginning of a highly feminized chaotic time that is reactionary to the previous decades.

    That doesn't absolve the Boomers from the additional chaos they might have helped created, just like it doesn't absolve my generation for not trying harder to rein in it. But still, there's a lot of moving parts culturally and it's not fair to give Boomers all the blame.

    Sorry, my response should have been to “415 reasons” not you!

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  79. @Daniel Chieh
    SJW missionaries!

    Just when you think it can’t any worse, it gets worse.

    SJW missionaries indeed. I’ll keep that phrase in mind.

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  80. Times change and with them Overton Windows. There were 1930′s films that would be classified as hyper-racist today; there are current films that would have been classified as hyper-obscene in the 1930′s.

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  81. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    ‘Comedy’ is the mirror of the world.

    The Freudian atavistic monkey sitting on everyman’s shoulder pricking his pomposity and reminding him of his lowly, animal origins.

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  82. jim jones says:

    Sacha Baron Cohen is the Mel Brooks of the 21st Century:

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  83. @The Comedian
    Person spends time on internet machine claiming others don't have talent.

    Comedian posts comment, proves he lacks talent.

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  84. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Yak-15
    The article is called "America's Jews are driving America's Wars."

    What subtle undercurrents could she possibly have missed?

    That title reminded me of Mel Gibson’s drunken rant.

    Seems like a good news-bad news day for Ron Unz.

    Good news: record traffic, presumably.

    Bad news: “highbrow” rep tarnished.

    Just seems an own goal for the… whatever ___-right you’d call this site, now that “alt-right” has be trashed as a brand (sort of like James Damore tweeting about how cool KKK titles were).

    Unless — here’s a conspiracy theory for you — Giraldi and fellow CIA alum Plame are trying to discredit Unz.com on behalf of the deep state.

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    The rabid anti-semitism of some on this site is turning off many from considering our opinions. Of course, I want it to remain a truly free speech platform but I would prefer some to really tone it down to help the cause.
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  85. @Intelligent Dasein
    Mel Brooks seems to have a somewhat skewed view of what constitutes political correctness. What does he mean that Blazing Saddles could not be made today because of political correctness? Blazing Saddles was political correctness! It is pure negro worship, pure down with Whitey. From the oafish Whiteness of Slim Pickens and the townspeople to the White (well, Jewish) woman throwing herself on the sheriff's glorious black schnitzengruben, there is nothing in that movie substantially different from the grossest PC narratives of today. Every movie made today is nothing but the successor of Blazing Saddles. There is a direct line of descent from Blazing Saddles to Django Unchained and Birth of a Nation.

    The fact that Mr. Brooks seems genuinely not to understand this goes to show that Jewish attitudes are highly corrosive of our culture even when the Jews do not consciously intend any harm. Their habits of instinctively lauding minority elements and fringe beliefs while endless kvetching against the majority can only result in destruction. And when at last their influence has finally succeeded in making Western countries unlivable for urbane Jews like themselves, they will turn around and blame it on us for our bigotry.

    I always thought Brooks played on stereotypes but that the jokes often worked because people believe the stereotypes, and in that way the films often reinforced what they made fun of.

    For example, in Young Frankenstein, the movie ends with the doctor having (inexplicably) received enlarged genitalia from his transfusion with the monster. The penis jokes in the movie play on 2 stereotypes: women love big ones and Jews got small ones. I don’t see any way in which laughing at the movie doesn’t fundamentally reinforce those 2 stereotypes.

    Similarly, in Blazing Saddles, when the whites try to get the blacks to sing a work song, we get the blacks doing complex harmony and as the whites make fools of themselves singing Camp Down Lady. But the incongruity wouldn’t be funny if people didn’t basically believe that reality was the opposite.

    I always thought Brooks comedy was more laughing at the world and encouraging it to laugh at itself rather than undermining social norms.

    Maybe I just have a tin ear for comedy though.

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  86. Kylie says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Modern Family, Blackish, Brooklyn Nine Nine aren't close to being funny, unless you just love trashing on normal whites. Veep is very funny . . . if you're a middle aged Nice White Lady.

    There's not one comedy that makes fun of blacks, Jews, Hispanics or women in any real way. The only safe joke is to make fun of straight white guys.

    Comedians have become the biggest pussies. Maybe they always were. They're terrified of offending the powers that be - and, I suspect, a good portion of them know it.

    “There’s not one comedy that makes fun of blacks, Jews, Hispanics or women in any real way. The only safe joke is to make fun of straight white guys.”

    I take it you’ve never seen “Archer”. I love that show. It used the word “quadroon” in one episode.

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    True. I've never seen Archer, though from ads for it, I recognize the voice from Bob's Burgers, which is also a funny show.

    Granted, I'll admit that I don't watch that much TV. Not spouting about how high brow I am (I waste my time just as frivolously as anyone else, just on other stuff) so I only know most of these shows from a couple of episodes.
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  87. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Yak-15
    From my view, born a decade after the end of the Vietnam War, it seems as though it was the disaster that delegitimized WASP rule.

    When I read books like the Halberstam's Best and Brightest and I cannot help but notice the complete destruction of the WASP ruling class in its pages. However, it was their gambit on a stupid war and I cannot blame America for turning on them. Even when we got back a WASP in the Oval Office, GWB, he completely decimated America once again.

    We complain about having relatively few WASPs in power, but the ones we have put in power have sucked.

    BTW, I am Episcopalian and I am also embarrassed by my church. What a disgrace.

    Steve quoted a post years ago by a WASP foreign policy guy lamenting, IIRC, that America had gotten mired in Iraq because guys like him were too busy watching golf while guys like Wolfowitz and Feith were running the store. But as you remind us a Bush was President.

    The W administration is the only time I remember anyone talking about a deputy defense secretary and an undersecretary of the defense department. Kind of weird how I couldn’t tell you who today’s deputy defense secretary was without looking it up.

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  88. Amasius says:
    @27 year old
    OT

    Blue Checkmark Valarie Plame tweets unz.com article "America's jews are driving America's wars."

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910884546723196929

    REEEEEEEE happens

    Valarie doubles down, tweets several more times urging people to set aside their biases and read the entire article and think about it

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910893826079723521

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894036545765376

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894146029621249

    Then, Valarie backs down claims she only skimmed the article and somehow missed the "undercurrents" and was not aware of "the platform" (i.e. unz.com)

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914285311754240

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914329138130944

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  89. Pericles says:
    @The Comedian
    Person spends time on internet machine claiming others don't have talent.

    Please clap.

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  90. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    Hollywood just followed with PC remakes of Westerns that basically killed the genre’.
     
    There were still some non-subversive westerns made in the 70s. I'm not a big fan of the genre, but The Outlaw Josey Wales was pretty good.

    And even later, there have been a few good ones (in my opinion): Tombstone, Wyatt Earp, and Open Range.

    "The odd thing about Blazing Saddles is that it wasn’t that funny."

    Agreed. I thoughy it was funny when I was 10 years old. But I grew up. The only one of Brooks' movies I might still find funny was The Producers. Okay, maybe Silent Movie - it had its moments anyway. Other than that, I find Brooks' movies to be excrutiatingly bad.

    History of The World, Part One and Space Balls are funny. The “Puttin’ on The Ritz” scene in Young Frankenstein is comedy gold.

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    History of The World, Part One and Space Balls are funny. The “Puttin’ on The Ritz” scene in Young Frankenstein is comedy gold.
     
    Opinions differ. Humor is subjective. I've seen parts of "Space Balls" - I found it to be about as funny as a routine medical procedure.
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  91. Pericles says:
    @The Comedian
    Take a step back, take off the political blinders or whatever social grudges from better times nostalgia are on your mind, and enjoy some great TV. Trust me, life is more enjoyable when you aren't thinking about how modern comedy is part of a White Genocide plot.

    Morphine at the hospice.

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  92. Anonymouse says: • Website
    @Yak-15
    From my view, born a decade after the end of the Vietnam War, it seems as though it was the disaster that delegitimized WASP rule.

    When I read books like the Halberstam's Best and Brightest and I cannot help but notice the complete destruction of the WASP ruling class in its pages. However, it was their gambit on a stupid war and I cannot blame America for turning on them. Even when we got back a WASP in the Oval Office, GWB, he completely decimated America once again.

    We complain about having relatively few WASPs in power, but the ones we have put in power have sucked.

    BTW, I am Episcopalian and I am also embarrassed by my church. What a disgrace.

    I was in the army with Halberstam in 1957, he a Harvard graduate, I a Brooklyn College graduate. He had brought a small Nash Rambler to basic training in South Carolina. The first sergeant a gay lush who alternated playing good cop and bad cop offered some of us the use of his parents’ beach house in Myrtle Beach for a weekend pass we got half way through basic. I wound up as the passenger in Halberstam’s car as we drove from Columbia east through the lowlands of SC seeing a negro driving a mule wagon, everything being half-underwater in the late spring. So H and I talked for about 4 hours. He was very hot vis-a-vis America’s world role as a patriotic idiot. When I got to go/went up to Harvard graduate school, I discovered that H had been editor of the Crimson the very-well written student newspaper in those years (59-63). I heard some snide putdowns on his straight-arrow MO. So i was eager to read his book and yes he was the schlemiel he was alleged to be: gets everything backwards on a consistent basis. He was killed young in an auto accident in SF and his brother had been murdered on the streets of Washington, D.C. Weird!

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    ...and his brother had been murdered on the streets of Washington, D.C. Weird!
     
    I was told of some Duluth connection with Halberstam, but didn't know the details. Turns out brother Michael's murderer was a rich playboy whose family owned a summer home there. Nice place in the summer, but the pests are big and black. Not unlike DC's...

    I was in the army with Halberstam in 1957, he a Harvard graduate, I a Brooklyn College graduate.
     
    Then we can presume you're not the other anonymouse (or anony-mouse) who was "don0r-conceived".

    Not that that wasn't going on in the 1930s (read David Plotz's book), but it was still shame-inducing and somewhat subterranean.

    I do know a man born to a theretofore-long-infertile couple just after WWII; he looks far more like the neighbor than to Senior. (It was apparently the law in those days that the first son be named after the greatest man who ever walked the earth, i.e., dad.) Mother was a pious Catholic of whom it is very hard to believe cheated even in desperation. I suspect their doctor, or someone he referred them to, pulled something shady.

    Now it's on "the cover of the Rolling Stone"! Boy, have we ever slid.

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  93. Anonymouse says: • Website
    @Yak-15
    From my view, born a decade after the end of the Vietnam War, it seems as though it was the disaster that delegitimized WASP rule.

    When I read books like the Halberstam's Best and Brightest and I cannot help but notice the complete destruction of the WASP ruling class in its pages. However, it was their gambit on a stupid war and I cannot blame America for turning on them. Even when we got back a WASP in the Oval Office, GWB, he completely decimated America once again.

    We complain about having relatively few WASPs in power, but the ones we have put in power have sucked.

    BTW, I am Episcopalian and I am also embarrassed by my church. What a disgrace.

    I was in the army with Halberstam in 1957, he a Harvard graduate, I a Brooklyn College graduate. He had brought a small Nash Rambler to basic training in South Carolina. The first sergeant a gay lush who alternated playing good cop and bad cop offered some of us the use of his parents’ beach house in Myrtle Beach for a weekend pass we got half way through basic. I wound up as the passenger in Halberstam’s car as we drove from Columbia east through the lowlands of SC seeing a negro driving a mule wagon, everything being half-underwater in the late spring. So H and I talked for about 4 hours. He was very hot vis-a-vis America’s world role as a patriotic idiot. When I got to go/went up to Harvard graduate school, I discovered that H had been editor of the Crimson the very-well written student newspaper in those years (59-63). I heard some snide putdowns on his straight-arrow MO. So i was eager to read his book and yes he was the schlemiel he was alleged to be: gets everything backwards on a consistent basis. He was killed young in an auto accident in SF and his brother had been murdered on the streets of Washington, D.C. Weird!

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  94. IHTG says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Mel Brooks seems to have a somewhat skewed view of what constitutes political correctness. What does he mean that Blazing Saddles could not be made today because of political correctness? Blazing Saddles was political correctness! It is pure negro worship, pure down with Whitey. From the oafish Whiteness of Slim Pickens and the townspeople to the White (well, Jewish) woman throwing herself on the sheriff's glorious black schnitzengruben, there is nothing in that movie substantially different from the grossest PC narratives of today. Every movie made today is nothing but the successor of Blazing Saddles. There is a direct line of descent from Blazing Saddles to Django Unchained and Birth of a Nation.

    The fact that Mr. Brooks seems genuinely not to understand this goes to show that Jewish attitudes are highly corrosive of our culture even when the Jews do not consciously intend any harm. Their habits of instinctively lauding minority elements and fringe beliefs while endless kvetching against the majority can only result in destruction. And when at last their influence has finally succeeded in making Western countries unlivable for urbane Jews like themselves, they will turn around and blame it on us for our bigotry.

    And here we see why the alt-right will lose, because far from being the gang of irreverent memelords the media writes about, they’re increasingly a bunch of humorless cunts who refuse to pick up any opportunity for mainstream traction.

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    The Alt-Right is not about trying to leverage the "mainstream", but to radically repair and reverse the damage that Cultural Marxism and its control of the media has done to Western Civilization.

    The Alt-Right is about far more than holding Marxists, Jews, Islam, Globalists, Cuckservatives, Feminists, LGBT radicals ..... accountable for the harm they have done.

    First and foremost the Alt-Right calls for its adherents to work on themselves and begin their fight against degeneracy with themselves.

    This requires one to give up any and all destructive and addictive behavior, be it drugs, alcohol, bad food, sloth, pornography, promiscuity, video games... And it all starts with recognizing the cultural pollution that comes out of Hollywood, Marxist dominated academia and mass media.

    That is its appeal to young people who increasing long for the guidance, adult love and discipline that they know has been lacking in their lives.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Intelligent Dasein just pointed out that Mel Brooks himself was actually pretty PC, when it comes to the whole numinous negro thing. Though, you'd think he be considered deplorable for other reasons - like all the campy fag jokes in his movies. But he seems to get a pass. I can't imagine why that might be.
    , @Anonymous
    With some exceptions, the Right is incredibly bad at any artistic effort. Worse is that they condemn even their artistic colonies which exist as "impure." Its very much a CF to try to create art that's pro-right when your "allies" seem to hate you.
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  95. Neoconned says:
    @Meretricious
    he's wrong--one could easily make a comedy based on all the stupid racists that managed to elect a biracial mediocrity--"Mr Barry Goes to Washington"

    PC killed the comedy star….

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  96. Karl says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    You are absolutely right!!!

    Mel Brooks whining about today's PC culture is pure BS since he was a major figure in helping it come about.

    Have you ever listened to Mike Enoch on The Daily Shoah over at The Right Stuff? Because he makes many of the same points about Blazing Saddles.

    But I think the main problem with making Blazing Saddles today is that the market for "entertainment" that trashes Huwhyte cisgendered male accomplishments, heroes and culture is just too saturated.

    During Mel Brooks most successful years it was hip and rebelous for liberal baby boomers to laugh at Mel farting all over the heroic archetypes that meant so much to their parents generation.

    Now that young Huwhytes are increasingly rebelling against the frightening future that Jews engineered for them via Open Borders, Multiculturalism and Globalization, Brooks' trashing of white culture is no longer funny.

    A remake of "Blazing Saddles" would flop for the same reasons that Generation Z in tuning out the NFL.

    48 anonymous-antimarxist > Mel Brooks whining about today’s PC culture is pure BS since he was a major figure in helping it come about.

    and here I was, thinking that it was all the white people who bought all those tickets.

    American Jews succeed by by being good at filling vacuums left behind by white people.

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  97. TheBoom says:
    @Anonymous
    Boomers are not all the same - they're a huge group. Why do some of you insist on talking about things "Boomers" did when you're most likely actually thinking about a subset of Boomers? You should try to narrow down who it is that you're really referring to. For one thing, you're probably thinking of older Boomers. A lot of younger Boomers are probably more similar to Millenials.

    There is nothing the right loves more than infighting. As insane as the left may be, they tend to band together. politicians, academics, media, entertainment, and street thugs support each other more often than not for the time being. Each group on the right hates all the others. The boomers were the core group that enabled Trump and Brexit to win. So, the logical thing would be to try and red pill the boomers some more and help them move to the right. Ha! The whole idea now is to shame and exclude them. That will work out well.

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  98. markflag says:
    @Barnard
    This seems like one of those truths that is self evident. Most comedies made before the mid 90s would have to be changed significantly in order to be made today. How many movies from that era didn't have at least some racial and ethnic stereotypes.

    I resent that you did NOT include sexist, homophobist, and transsexualist stereotypes. Do only certain oppressed groups count?

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  99. Parsifal says:

    “Blazing Saddles” is a work of genius, 3rd best movie ever made after “Wild Bunch” and “Apocalypse Now”.

    You can only claim it’s actually politically correct if you look at it as standalone, out of context from Mel Brooks’ opus. He plays on ethnic and racial stereotypes of every group, majority or minority. Take “The Producers” for example. The main characters, sleazy, immoral, money-grubbing and scheming Broadway producers are named Max Byalistok and Leon Bloom. It’s not said that they are Jews but only a person with a single digit number of brain cells can credibly claim that he or she didn’t immediately recognize them as such by their names. Then there is the whole theme of the movie itself which indirectly lampoons the Jewish obsession with Hitler and nazis. Brooks also makes fun of Jews in “History of the World”, “Spaceballs” and “Robin Hood: Men In Tights”.

    Brooks has several stereotypical black characters in his films. Every black man in “Blazing Saddles” embodies one stereotype about blacks. Gregory Hines is also stereotypically black in “History of the World”.

    If you are unhappy with how white people were portrayed , I’m sorry but the film did reflect the historical truth. I despise the liberal and SJW cries of “racism” every 5 minutes but let’s not pretend everything was pristine when it came to race relations in America back in those days. Also, Brooks very scupulously avoids dehumanization of white people(which is a hallmark in “Mississipi is burning” and some others) especially when he drops the immortal quote “All right… we’ll give some land to the niggers and the chinks. But we don’t want the Irish!”.

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  100. KenH says:

    All is not lost. In white privileged America, comedians can still pillory and trash white people and right of center white politicians in their routines.

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  101. I HATE this cliche.

    I guess Brooks hasn’t bothered seeing anything by the Farrelly or Wayans Brothers, or watched South Park.

    The fact is, Mel Brooks isn’t funny, the best thing about any of his films was Gene Wilder, and the central premise of his alleged masterpiece, The Producers, is fatally flawed:

    http://takimag.com/article/mel_brooks_isnt_funny_kathy_shaidle

    “It’s bad enough that so many of Brooks’ self-indulgent “jokes” frankly make no sense whatsoever (“I’m a concierge.” “Frau Blucher.”) And that he encourages his actors to mug shamelessly in direct violation of the old comedy rule—displayed to perfection in Airplane!—that performers should play even the craziest situations dead straight.”

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    I guess Brooks hasn’t bothered seeing anything by the Farrelly or Wayans Brothers, or watched South Park.

    Scatalogical and otherwise genital-centric humour is not politically incorrect simply because it's not political. Making jokes about Saddam Hussein enjoying it when someone sticks a wee-wee up his bum-bum is not political humour.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Good point about the mugging. I hate it when comics try to tell me that what their doing is really funny by mugging it up (that is why Letterman became so awful). If it's funny, I'll figure it out when I start laughing. The ZAZ team (Zucker, Abrams, Zucker) who made Airplane, Top Secret, Police Squad, and many others, actually are funny, unlike Brooks. I know their movies are funny, because I laugh at them when I watch them, whereas with Brooks, I only "know" he's funny because the entertainment industry relentlessly tells me he is.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Frau Blucher was one of the funniest bits of Frankenstein. The idea we're to infer is that Blucher engaged in some form of sexual depravity with the horses of such evil that the horses,upon hearing her name, whinny in terror.
    Seems funny to me...
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Brooks did a one man show on HBO a few years ago at 88. It was pretty funny.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    The jokes making no particular sense is part of the fun. The concierge insists on using the fancy French term but mispronounces it (as well as "boids"). For years, there was a theory that "blucher" was a brand of glue; then the rumor was that an officer named Blucher who really existed must have had an unusually high number of equine fatalities. There's a post on here that some people speculated she had some kind of Catherine the Great kink (which Catherine never actually had) and the horses were permanently traumatized.

    The truth, as Brooks finally revealed, was they just thought it would be funny to have the animals freak out whenever they heard her name. Maybe a bit of satire on the horror film convention of having animals instinctively sense something dreadful about evil characters.

    Does his shtick always work? No. The beans around the campfire scene in BS is funny if you're a middle-school boy. On the other hand, the donut hair earphones in SB is a classic sight gag.
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  102. Yak-15 says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    That title reminded me of Mel Gibson's drunken rant.

    Seems like a good news-bad news day for Ron Unz.

    Good news: record traffic, presumably.

    Bad news: "highbrow" rep tarnished.

    Just seems an own goal for the... whatever ___-right you'd call this site, now that "alt-right" has be trashed as a brand (sort of like James Damore tweeting about how cool KKK titles were).

    Unless -- here's a conspiracy theory for you -- Giraldi and fellow CIA alum Plame are trying to discredit Unz.com on behalf of the deep state.

    https://twitter.com/ronunz1/status/788791775322312704

    The rabid anti-semitism of some on this site is turning off many from considering our opinions. Of course, I want it to remain a truly free speech platform but I would prefer some to really tone it down to help the cause.

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    I'd settle for restricting the site to writers who can deliver interesting copy on whatever opinion, plank, or party-line. Tragically this might leave out Giraldi and other retired-spook cliches holding flashlights under their chins. The syndicated prose of Gustavo Anaheimo is like a Gibbon/Proust co-production in comparison
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  103. Yak-15 says:
    @415 reasons
    Yea, I can understand where the disillusionment with traditional America comes from. The Brazilified America of the future seems like it will be a much worse country. Perhaps it won't even be competent enough to undertake global scale military blunders anymore.

    It will be able to project power until the financial ability to do so, the dollar as a reserve currency, collapses.

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  104. Hhsiii says:
    @SteveRogers42
    Archer is hilarious, and makes fun of blacks, women, and fruitcakes every episode.

    There are only two reasons to watch Modern Family: Sophia and Vergara. When she's off screen, simply change the channel.

    Archer is great. Also Vice Principals. From the guys who did East Bound and Down. Although a lot of reviewers trashed the show or had reservations. I found it pretty funny people talking about the supposed white privilege of fictional mid level public school administrators. Naturally the black woman principal is shown as smarter. When she’s hired over them one says “I think I can affirmatively say why she was hired.” That these idiots burn her house down is supposedly problematic. Anyway, my grade school principal in 1971 was black. Not like there aren’t people of all kinds coasting on privilege in public schools for at least the last half century.

    McBride basically reprises Kenny Powers. His sidekick, Walter Goggans, is great.

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  105. @IHTG
    And here we see why the alt-right will lose, because far from being the gang of irreverent memelords the media writes about, they're increasingly a bunch of humorless cunts who refuse to pick up any opportunity for mainstream traction.

    The Alt-Right is not about trying to leverage the “mainstream”, but to radically repair and reverse the damage that Cultural Marxism and its control of the media has done to Western Civilization.

    The Alt-Right is about far more than holding Marxists, Jews, Islam, Globalists, Cuckservatives, Feminists, LGBT radicals ….. accountable for the harm they have done.

    First and foremost the Alt-Right calls for its adherents to work on themselves and begin their fight against degeneracy with themselves.

    This requires one to give up any and all destructive and addictive behavior, be it drugs, alcohol, bad food, sloth, pornography, promiscuity, video games… And it all starts with recognizing the cultural pollution that comes out of Hollywood, Marxist dominated academia and mass media.

    That is its appeal to young people who increasing long for the guidance, adult love and discipline that they know has been lacking in their lives.

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  106. @Mr. Anon

    Hollywood just followed with PC remakes of Westerns that basically killed the genre’.
     
    There were still some non-subversive westerns made in the 70s. I'm not a big fan of the genre, but The Outlaw Josey Wales was pretty good.

    And even later, there have been a few good ones (in my opinion): Tombstone, Wyatt Earp, and Open Range.

    "The odd thing about Blazing Saddles is that it wasn’t that funny."

    Agreed. I thoughy it was funny when I was 10 years old. But I grew up. The only one of Brooks' movies I might still find funny was The Producers. Okay, maybe Silent Movie - it had its moments anyway. Other than that, I find Brooks' movies to be excrutiatingly bad.

    The last great western that was truly respectful of and celebrated the genre was The Shootist with John Wayne. It is a great and vastly under appreciated film.

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  107. @415 reasons
    The entire American consensus has unraveled. There is no longer a consensus to support free speech because there is no longer a consensus about the goals of politics. I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife because contemporary liberalism has turned so dramatically away from what a generation ago were shared American values. Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can't blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time, have made completely obsolete the core American values, shared assumptions, and shared experience that made a movie like "Blazing Saddles" funny. Blazing Saddles was made in a different country, it couldn't be made in America in 2017 any more than a Fellini film or a Kurosawa film.

    The “American consensus” whatever it was has indeed unraveled. In its place is a fact-denying ideology promulgated and enforced now by the political-cultural establishment. It’s central premise is a variant of Marx’s “history is the history of class struggle” tweak for U.S. consumption to “history is the history of racial oppression”: thus, racism is the center of American society. Any doubt or deviation of this “truth” is severely punished.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/09/post-charlottesville-we-are-on-our-own.html

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  108. @415 reasons
    The entire American consensus has unraveled. There is no longer a consensus to support free speech because there is no longer a consensus about the goals of politics. I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife because contemporary liberalism has turned so dramatically away from what a generation ago were shared American values. Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can't blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time, have made completely obsolete the core American values, shared assumptions, and shared experience that made a movie like "Blazing Saddles" funny. Blazing Saddles was made in a different country, it couldn't be made in America in 2017 any more than a Fellini film or a Kurosawa film.

    The “American consensus” whatever it was has indeed unraveled. In its place is a fact-denying ideology promulgated and enforced now by the political-cultural establishment. It’s central premise is a variant of Marx’s “history is the history of class struggle” tweak for U.S. consumption to “history is the history of racial oppression”: thus, racism is the center of American society. Any doubt or deviation of this “truth” is severely punished.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/09/post-charlottesville-we-are-on-our-own.html

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  109. @Harry Baldwin
    Appaloosa is a good recent western.

    In a classic western the heroines are either virtuous or once fallen women called back to virtue by the clear show of character and bravery of the hero with whom they now pledge lasting devotion and fidelity.

    In Appaloosa, the film ends with us knowing that the unstable promiscuous Allie French will never be able to be a good wife to the sheriff. Instead she will secretly long after his deputy partner who killed the bad guy who she was also lusting after. Therefore the deputy must leave town again if there is to be any hope for the relationship.

    So the partnership between the two lawmen based on duty, courage and trust is sacrificed for a doomed sexual relationship likely to end in childlessness, divorce and heartache.

    That may win kudos from the cynical manosphere but it does not meet the definition of a classic western.

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  110. @Kathy Shaidle
    I HATE this cliche.

    I guess Brooks hasn't bothered seeing anything by the Farrelly or Wayans Brothers, or watched South Park.

    The fact is, Mel Brooks isn't funny, the best thing about any of his films was Gene Wilder, and the central premise of his alleged masterpiece, The Producers, is fatally flawed:

    http://takimag.com/article/mel_brooks_isnt_funny_kathy_shaidle

    "It’s bad enough that so many of Brooks’ self-indulgent “jokes” frankly make no sense whatsoever (“I’m a concierge.” “Frau Blucher.”) And that he encourages his actors to mug shamelessly in direct violation of the old comedy rule—displayed to perfection in Airplane!—that performers should play even the craziest situations dead straight."

    I guess Brooks hasn’t bothered seeing anything by the Farrelly or Wayans Brothers, or watched South Park.

    Scatalogical and otherwise genital-centric humour is not politically incorrect simply because it’s not political. Making jokes about Saddam Hussein enjoying it when someone sticks a wee-wee up his bum-bum is not political humour.

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  111. Mr. Anon says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    History of The World, Part One and Space Balls are funny. The "Puttin' on The Ritz" scene in Young Frankenstein is comedy gold.

    History of The World, Part One and Space Balls are funny. The “Puttin’ on The Ritz” scene in Young Frankenstein is comedy gold.

    Opinions differ. Humor is subjective. I’ve seen parts of “Space Balls” – I found it to be about as funny as a routine medical procedure.

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    Sure. Brooks is very broad, over-the-top (and often musical). Not everyone's thing. I tried to find a clip of the Puttin' On The Ritz scene from Young Frankenstein but the studio had taken it down. Worth a few minutes of your time if you can find it.

    The set-up is Dr. Frankenstein (Gene Wilder) demonstrating his revivification achievement to a conference of neurologists or something in Vienna, by doing a song & dance with his monster (Peter Boyle). Every time Boyle opens his mouth it's hilarious (to me).
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  112. @The Comedian
    Between the Office, Parks and Recreation, New Girl, Master of None, Bojack Horseman, Archer, South Park, Community, Modern Family, Blackish, Brooklyn Nine Nine, Veep, its clear the minorities and women have killed comedy.

    Or maybe Steve Sailer just doesn't have a sense of humor.

    Parks and Rec descended from a silly, pleasant show into a horrifying glimpse into the liberal view of small town America: a bunch of dim-witted yokels who are constantly thwarting the neurotic, ambitious, control-freak woman who embodies the “true” spirit of democracy. They don’t deserve her and so she is translated into higher office where she can finally do what the people are too stupid to do for themselves.

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    Literally the most popular and beloved character on the show is the right-wing liberterian anti-government male. Well maybe second most popular after Tom Haverford.
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  113. @neutral
    On this topic of comedy, has anyone here ever had that awkward encounter where you are with some liberals at work or at parties and they show you a clip of one of those liberal "comedy" shows (John Oliver, Colbert). You are supposed to laugh, but its basically impossible to sincerely do it, even faking it is close to impossible. What am I supposed to do, I am not the type that wants to turn these things into bitter political arguments (thats what internet forums are for), but I honestly cannot stand those liberal comedy/political shows, they are just so anti funny.

    Agree and amplify.

    “LOL he’s right the world will be better when we’re gone.”

    Deliver it straight without irony. Accuse them of white supremacy if they back down from the consequences of their beliefs.

    Calibrate the degree of amplification to the crowd.

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  114. Spud Boy says:

    What about the movie M*A*S*H, the cast including Fred Williamson as Capt. Oliver Harmon “Spearchucker” Jones?

    Try making that today.

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  115. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Speaking of PC, via Instapundit comes the news that there's now a group of Nice White People who are volunteering to do the 'emotional labor' of combating racism amongst their own kind so that 'People of Color' don't need to bother.

    They're called 'White Nonsense Roundup', and they seem not to be a parody. They've been featured as A Thing in the Huffington Post: LINK

    Here is their mission statement:


    White Nonsense Roundup (WNR) was created by white people to address our inherently racist society and stand up against racism in our own families, work spaces, and communities. We believe it is our responsibility to call out white friends, relatives, contacts, speakers, and authors who are contributing to structural racism and harming our friends of color. We are a resource for anti-racist images, links, videos, artwork, essays, and voices. These can be used by anyone for a DIY white nonsense roundup, or by the WNR team to support people of color upon their request.

    HOW IT WORKS

    If you are a Person of Color (POC), you have enough on your plate! It’s not your job to educate white people about privilege, racism, and what’s really going on in the world. If a white person is filling your social media with white nonsense – anything from overt racism to well-intentioned problematic statements – tag us and a white person will come roundup our own. We welcome your involvement, resource suggestions, and will take your feedback seriously. We are also happy to boost the signal of voices of color.
     

    They should just go ahead and call themselves 'Messiahs-R-Us'.

    I've been making the case here for some time that SJWism is a Christian heresy in which pride-filled post-Christian white people arrogate to themselves the role of Savior. I used to think I needed to make comprehensive arguments showing how this was so. Not so much, anymore.

    They posted Teensie Coates’ Atlantic article about Trump. They call it a “long intense read.” Math is hard!

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  116. Mr. Anon says:
    @IHTG
    And here we see why the alt-right will lose, because far from being the gang of irreverent memelords the media writes about, they're increasingly a bunch of humorless cunts who refuse to pick up any opportunity for mainstream traction.

    Intelligent Dasein just pointed out that Mel Brooks himself was actually pretty PC, when it comes to the whole numinous negro thing. Though, you’d think he be considered deplorable for other reasons – like all the campy fag jokes in his movies. But he seems to get a pass. I can’t imagine why that might be.

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  117. @Cagey Beast
    I watched this 1963 news footage of the US backed coup in South Vietnam and was struck by just how Jacobin the anchorman and correspondents are. This is very typically American. All other countries are run by "tyrants" who really shouldn't be allowed to remain in power another week. Different countries end up in Washington's in-basket but the procedure is the same. Wash, rise and repeat for 60 years.

    https://youtu.be/OewhlYeU2fo?t=1445

    Moldbug was right.

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  118. Agreed.

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  119. @Danindc
    Comedians are total pussies - agreed. Sports media may be bigger pussies. Too close to call.

    My bad. Sports media has to pretend to not notice hilariously in-your-face patterns every single day. I’d love to spend a week with sports reporters just to observe this ability.

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  120. @CAL2
    The Middle is actually a decent comedy. The father isn't played as a buffoon and everyone gets made fun of.

    Comedy is one of those genres that people vary wildly on what they like. I've never found Mel Brooks movies to particularly funny. However he is right the movie would never get made today. Actually listening to some older songs from the 80's and I realized how, and I hate this word, problematic they would be today.

    True. I watched a couple of episodes of The Middle with my wife. The father was an actual, well, father and not the butt of every joke. Refreshing.

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  121. @Anon
    Our society is more PC but this is what passes as 'conservatism'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0Lm2-YpGI

    At a certain point conservatism becomes revolutionary. It has nothing to lose and embraces the awe-inspiring powers of violence and aesthetics for their own sake.

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  122. Mr. Anon says:
    @Kathy Shaidle
    I HATE this cliche.

    I guess Brooks hasn't bothered seeing anything by the Farrelly or Wayans Brothers, or watched South Park.

    The fact is, Mel Brooks isn't funny, the best thing about any of his films was Gene Wilder, and the central premise of his alleged masterpiece, The Producers, is fatally flawed:

    http://takimag.com/article/mel_brooks_isnt_funny_kathy_shaidle

    "It’s bad enough that so many of Brooks’ self-indulgent “jokes” frankly make no sense whatsoever (“I’m a concierge.” “Frau Blucher.”) And that he encourages his actors to mug shamelessly in direct violation of the old comedy rule—displayed to perfection in Airplane!—that performers should play even the craziest situations dead straight."

    Good point about the mugging. I hate it when comics try to tell me that what their doing is really funny by mugging it up (that is why Letterman became so awful). If it’s funny, I’ll figure it out when I start laughing. The ZAZ team (Zucker, Abrams, Zucker) who made Airplane, Top Secret, Police Squad, and many others, actually are funny, unlike Brooks. I know their movies are funny, because I laugh at them when I watch them, whereas with Brooks, I only “know” he’s funny because the entertainment industry relentlessly tells me he is.

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    To anyone who's attended a NY cattle call, the audition scene in "Producers," complete with Lorenzo St. Dubois' rendition of Jim Morrisonesque nightmare "Love Power" (sadly deleted from the musical, which moved the time frame back to the '50s), has some priceless bits. There's Cowboy Hitler, whiny Hitler, hopelessly old-fashioned operetta Hitler ("I was the tenor in 'Blossom Time!'"), and the patronizing Hitler whose announcement of his selection ("The Little...Wooden...BOY!") is so smarmy that they won't even let him sing.

    And there's MY favorite moment:. "Dancing Hitlers wait in the hall! We are ONLY seeing SINGING Hitlers now!" (One of many aspiring hoofers with glued-on mustaches disconsolately practices a jazz turn and an arabesque releve on his way out.)
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  123. @Kylie
    "There’s not one comedy that makes fun of blacks, Jews, Hispanics or women in any real way. The only safe joke is to make fun of straight white guys."

    I take it you've never seen "Archer". I love that show. It used the word "quadroon" in one episode.

    True. I’ve never seen Archer, though from ads for it, I recognize the voice from Bob’s Burgers, which is also a funny show.

    Granted, I’ll admit that I don’t watch that much TV. Not spouting about how high brow I am (I waste my time just as frivolously as anyone else, just on other stuff) so I only know most of these shows from a couple of episodes.

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  124. @The Comedian
    Person spends time on internet machine claiming others don't have talent.

    Here’s the thing. There are funny comedies and comedians out there who are PC through and through. Their problem is that they basically tell the same joke over and over because there’s only one safe group to make fun of.

    Their like a restaurant that make a damn fine beef wellington but’s the only meal on the menu. Night after night of the same meal – even well made – just gets boring.

    Comedians are supposed to poke at the powerful; instead, they flatter them. Hell, even in medieval times, court jesters were clever enough to make the king laugh while quietly making fun of him. Comedians these days don’t even try; they’re more like being a comedian for Stalin.

    Btw, when are you going to live up to your moniker.

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    Comedians are supposed to poke at the powerful; instead, they flatter them. Hell, even in medieval times, court jesters were clever enough to make the king laugh while quietly making fun of him. Comedians these days don’t even try; they’re more like being a comedian for Stalin.
     
    I don't think any well-known comedian or talk show host has ever made fun of Obama.
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  125. @Daniel Chieh
    SJW missionaries!

    Isn’t that what they’ve always been. They’re just finally taking their show on the road like their forebearers.

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  126. @Glaivester
    I never found Blazing Saddles that funny. Too earnest for what I was told was a parody/comedy.

    What Mel Brooks movies do I like? Dracula: Dead and Loving It comes to mind.

    Thank you. I thought I was the only one who found it generally boring and stupid. I suppose 13 year old boys might giggle through some of it.

    Now, Caveman, with Ringo Starr, THAT was funny…

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  127. @Yak-15
    From my view, born a decade after the end of the Vietnam War, it seems as though it was the disaster that delegitimized WASP rule.

    When I read books like the Halberstam's Best and Brightest and I cannot help but notice the complete destruction of the WASP ruling class in its pages. However, it was their gambit on a stupid war and I cannot blame America for turning on them. Even when we got back a WASP in the Oval Office, GWB, he completely decimated America once again.

    We complain about having relatively few WASPs in power, but the ones we have put in power have sucked.

    BTW, I am Episcopalian and I am also embarrassed by my church. What a disgrace.

    However, it was their gambit on a stupid war…

    Are you talking about 1963, or 1950, or 1942, 0r 1917, or…?

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  128. @Anonymouse
    I was in the army with Halberstam in 1957, he a Harvard graduate, I a Brooklyn College graduate. He had brought a small Nash Rambler to basic training in South Carolina. The first sergeant a gay lush who alternated playing good cop and bad cop offered some of us the use of his parents' beach house in Myrtle Beach for a weekend pass we got half way through basic. I wound up as the passenger in Halberstam's car as we drove from Columbia east through the lowlands of SC seeing a negro driving a mule wagon, everything being half-underwater in the late spring. So H and I talked for about 4 hours. He was very hot vis-a-vis America's world role as a patriotic idiot. When I got to go/went up to Harvard graduate school, I discovered that H had been editor of the Crimson the very-well written student newspaper in those years (59-63). I heard some snide putdowns on his straight-arrow MO. So i was eager to read his book and yes he was the schlemiel he was alleged to be: gets everything backwards on a consistent basis. He was killed young in an auto accident in SF and his brother had been murdered on the streets of Washington, D.C. Weird!

    …and his brother had been murdered on the streets of Washington, D.C. Weird!

    I was told of some Duluth connection with Halberstam, but didn’t know the details. Turns out brother Michael’s murderer was a rich playboy whose family owned a summer home there. Nice place in the summer, but the pests are big and black. Not unlike DC’s…

    I was in the army with Halberstam in 1957, he a Harvard graduate, I a Brooklyn College graduate.

    Then we can presume you’re not the other anonymouse (or anony-mouse) who was “don0r-conceived”.

    Not that that wasn’t going on in the 1930s (read David Plotz’s book), but it was still shame-inducing and somewhat subterranean.

    I do know a man born to a theretofore-long-infertile couple just after WWII; he looks far more like the neighbor than to Senior. (It was apparently the law in those days that the first son be named after the greatest man who ever walked the earth, i.e., dad.) Mother was a pious Catholic of whom it is very hard to believe cheated even in desperation. I suspect their doctor, or someone he referred them to, pulled something shady.

    Now it’s on “the cover of the Rolling Stone“! Boy, have we ever slid.

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    That story of the burglar/murderer was unbelievable. A one-man crime wave. I don't think "rich playboy" is the right term for him though. More like psychopath. A murder committed in the middle of a theft of someone's home? Death penalty time.
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  129. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Don't know if I agree. If it were an African-American director, and tweeked a bit in places (e.g. hating whitey to the Nth degree, etc.) then Blazing Saddles could definitely be made.

    The Wayans Brothers have stated that most of what they did on “In Living Color” would be banned today. They even had a sketch about a phone menu for people who are offended by the show, with increasingly ridiculous categories like “If you are offended by jokes about one-legged lesbian Cherokees, press 25…If you are offended by jokes about Black Puerto Rican Jews with dyslexia, press 26…” Eventually the list reached the 900s, and the man who had originally called the complaint number was shown snoring away in his living room.

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  130. @Spud Boy
    "...Rape, and murder, and arson, and rape."

    "You said rape twice."

    "I like rape."

    Blazing Saddles, or a Kennedy family reunion?

    The Number Six Dance….

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  131. EdwardM says:
    @Cagey Beast
    A close friend of Mel Brooks, Carl Reiner is fully on board with his son's anti-Russian hysteria. It's kind of ironic considering Carl Reiner did a great job years ago in "The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming".

    Honestly, it's the current "ass over tea kettle" mental state of the media, Hollywood and think-tanks that cries out most for being lampooned. Unfortunately, he and his son are going the other way:

    https://twitter.com/carlreiner/status/910368406112735237

    If I didn’t know the context, I might think that this is parody — leaders aren’t “installed” in democracies.

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    ".... leaders aren’t “installed” in democracies."
     
    Uh, yeah ... right. More kool-aid for my friend here.
    , @Mr. Anon

    If I didn’t know the context, I might think that this is parody — leaders aren’t “installed” in democracies.
     
    Moreover, a free country doesn't have "leaders". It has elected officials.
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  132. @27 year old
    OT

    Blue Checkmark Valarie Plame tweets unz.com article "America's jews are driving America's wars."

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910884546723196929

    REEEEEEEE happens

    Valarie doubles down, tweets several more times urging people to set aside their biases and read the entire article and think about it

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910893826079723521

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894036545765376

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894146029621249

    Then, Valarie backs down claims she only skimmed the article and somehow missed the "undercurrents" and was not aware of "the platform" (i.e. unz.com)

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914285311754240

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914329138130944

    lol all around

    Following the “no enemies on the left” principle, Plame must have thought she’d landed on a leftist site that’s pushed traditional leftist “antizionism” up a notch.

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  133. @Bernardista
    Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: You know, I'm a rather brilliant surgeon. Perhaps I can help you with that hump.

    Igor: What hump?

    No one would be able to get past the crowd of hooded and prosthetic hump-wearing anti-fas.

    Don’t forget Peter Boyles’ “Special Needs,” sexist jokes about Terri Garr’s proportions, self-cutters (Gene Wilder accidentally stabs himself with a scalpel at one point), causing PTSD in horses by mentioning “Frau Blucher”….

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    I forgot about Frau Blucher! She probably has a whole chapter dedicated to her in the Horse DSM-5.
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  134. benjaminl says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    Speaking of PC, via Instapundit comes the news that there's now a group of Nice White People who are volunteering to do the 'emotional labor' of combating racism amongst their own kind so that 'People of Color' don't need to bother.

    They're called 'White Nonsense Roundup', and they seem not to be a parody. They've been featured as A Thing in the Huffington Post: LINK

    Here is their mission statement:


    White Nonsense Roundup (WNR) was created by white people to address our inherently racist society and stand up against racism in our own families, work spaces, and communities. We believe it is our responsibility to call out white friends, relatives, contacts, speakers, and authors who are contributing to structural racism and harming our friends of color. We are a resource for anti-racist images, links, videos, artwork, essays, and voices. These can be used by anyone for a DIY white nonsense roundup, or by the WNR team to support people of color upon their request.

    HOW IT WORKS

    If you are a Person of Color (POC), you have enough on your plate! It’s not your job to educate white people about privilege, racism, and what’s really going on in the world. If a white person is filling your social media with white nonsense – anything from overt racism to well-intentioned problematic statements – tag us and a white person will come roundup our own. We welcome your involvement, resource suggestions, and will take your feedback seriously. We are also happy to boost the signal of voices of color.
     

    They should just go ahead and call themselves 'Messiahs-R-Us'.

    I've been making the case here for some time that SJWism is a Christian heresy in which pride-filled post-Christian white people arrogate to themselves the role of Savior. I used to think I needed to make comprehensive arguments showing how this was so. Not so much, anymore.

    Speaking of which, I really like John McWhorter’s explanation of Ta-Nehisi Coates as the apostle of a new religion: The Religion of Anti-Racism.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/antiracism-our-flawed-new-religion

    I wish there were more Black writers like McWhorter.

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  135. @Rod1963
    Indeed Blazing Saddles could be made today because it mocked white Christians and Westerns, which makes it perfectly acceptable to the Hollywood elite.

    He just shit on Westerns and Whites and Christians.

    Hollywood just followed with PC remakes of Westerns that basically killed the genre'.

    The odd thing about Blazing Saddles is that it wasn't that funny.

    If you want to talk about movies or series that can't be made "The Rifleman" comes to mind. The Left would have a heart attack. When the Left tried to remake Ghostbusters it was a dumpster fire of a dud.
    The remake of the Magnificent Seven - garbage. The Equalizer - garbage, etc.

    Speaking of colored cowboys, how bout that new Dark Tower movie? 16% on Rotten Tomatoes. LOL

    P.S. – The new Ghostbusters really wasn’t that bad. Some funny cameos if nothing else. At least they didn’t make Leslie Jones the brilliant scientist.

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  136. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @IHTG
    And here we see why the alt-right will lose, because far from being the gang of irreverent memelords the media writes about, they're increasingly a bunch of humorless cunts who refuse to pick up any opportunity for mainstream traction.

    With some exceptions, the Right is incredibly bad at any artistic effort. Worse is that they condemn even their artistic colonies which exist as “impure.” Its very much a CF to try to create art that’s pro-right when your “allies” seem to hate you.

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  137. Forbes says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Don't know if I agree. If it were an African-American director, and tweeked a bit in places (e.g. hating whitey to the Nth degree, etc.) then Blazing Saddles could definitely be made.

    I’d say you’ve made Mel Brooks point. The production you describe wouldn’t be the Mel Brooks-directed Blazing Saddles.

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    Sure it would. What makes you think that Brooks was edgy and never ever politically correct for his time? Back in the '70's the saying was "follow the money". Brooks sold took The Producers to Broadway where it became an enormous hit. Perhaps he tried to take Blazing Saddles to Broadway as well and got shown the door. In one of his few film flops, 1990's "Life Sucks", he was quoted as saying "I thought America understood irony, apparently it doesn't."

    Always about himself apparently. Also, this is 2017 and not 1974. Do we really need yet another re-hash of a film made from decades past? Or perhaps producers could, you know, actually pen a script from original fresh material. Five years from now veteran producers will be whining about how we can't make The Hangover in the 2020's because of PC-ness. Again, how about a totally new and different film that's never been made before (genre is irrelevant)? Is it really that difficult?

    A bit daunting I grant you. But the risk is well worth the reward.
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  138. ic1000 says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Exactly. You go down that road and pretty soon your constitution is in the periodicals section of the library, as that old joke about the French constitution goes. I guess Rob Reiner's family and friends love the American Republic so much they'd like to have another four of them, just like in France. I'm giving them too much credit though; they assume they can just make some noise, cause a little crisis and everyone else will just be inert lumps. It's not like the US couldn't go the way of Ukraine or Russia and have gunfire and tanks on the streets of Washington.

    Carl Reiner’s celebration of the United States taking those final steps to become una otra república bananera is shared by many of my acquaintances here in Deep Blue country, it seems.

    Watching the CBS and NBC Evening News has become an exercise in “How to tenderize public opinion in advance of a slow-motion coup”.

    To cadge from a Dreher trope, “Don’t worry, Flyover America, your voices would never be invalidated by the progressive elites, and when it does happen, just remember that you deserve it.”

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  139. Rewatching great series MY NAME IS EARL.
    Not sure that could made today either

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  140. ic1000 says:

    OT — Rod Dreher quotes author Rene Girard‘s version of the foundational iSteve theme of Leapfrogging Loyalties:

    The victims most interesting to us are always those who allow us to condemn our neighbors. And our neighbors do the same. They always think first about victims for whom they hold us responsible.

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  141. Forbes says:
    @Cagey Beast
    A close friend of Mel Brooks, Carl Reiner is fully on board with his son's anti-Russian hysteria. It's kind of ironic considering Carl Reiner did a great job years ago in "The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming".

    Honestly, it's the current "ass over tea kettle" mental state of the media, Hollywood and think-tanks that cries out most for being lampooned. Unfortunately, he and his son are going the other way:

    https://twitter.com/carlreiner/status/910368406112735237

    I wonder about Carl Reiner’s mental capacity (not really–it’s seriously diminished). The process by which Hillary gets installed as president is a real puzzler…

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    I don't know but I think Hillary Clinton would do anything and everything she can to get revenge, power and immunity from prosecution. If re-interning Japanese-Americans or taking the Louisiana Territory back to the French for a refund somehow turn out to be necessary, she'll do it.
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  142. Forbes says:
    @415 reasons
    The entire American consensus has unraveled. There is no longer a consensus to support free speech because there is no longer a consensus about the goals of politics. I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife because contemporary liberalism has turned so dramatically away from what a generation ago were shared American values. Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can't blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time, have made completely obsolete the core American values, shared assumptions, and shared experience that made a movie like "Blazing Saddles" funny. Blazing Saddles was made in a different country, it couldn't be made in America in 2017 any more than a Fellini film or a Kurosawa film.

    Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society.

    Boomers were drafted and sent to fight and die in the war in Vietnam. Boomers are a lot of things but they didn’t conduct the war in Vietnam. Kennedy, Johnson, McNamara, Dean Rusk, Henry Cabot Lodge, Maxwell Taylor, McGeorge Bundy, et al., weren’t Boomers.

    You might want to adjust your targeting.

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    Right but their reaction to the Vietnam era, the collapse of religion, the family, the expectation that children would not be bastards, the demographic transformation, this is all the fruit of the tree of changing assumptions that the boomers are really responsible for. Unless you don't think the things that have happened from 1992 to the present when we have had exclusively boomer presidents have anything to do with the current state of American society.
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  143. Forbes says:
    @27 year old
    OT

    Blue Checkmark Valarie Plame tweets unz.com article "America's jews are driving America's wars."

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910884546723196929

    REEEEEEEE happens

    Valarie doubles down, tweets several more times urging people to set aside their biases and read the entire article and think about it

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910893826079723521

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894036545765376

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894146029621249

    Then, Valarie backs down claims she only skimmed the article and somehow missed the "undercurrents" and was not aware of "the platform" (i.e. unz.com)

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914285311754240

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914329138130944

    lol all around

    I’d have hoped after 8 years of silence, Valerie had permanently gone away. Apparently 15 minutes of fame wasn’t enough… Quelle surprise.

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  144. @Harry Baldwin
    If you are a Person of Color (POC), you have enough on your plate!

    That's unforgivable. Who are you, self-righteous white person, to suggest that Black and Hispanic people have enough on their plates? Unconscious racism implying high rates of obesity among PoCs? Clean up your own bias before calling out others.

    I’ll bet they speak jive* as well.

    *Airplane was funny and a candiadte for what can’t be remade today.

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  145. @Kathy Shaidle
    I HATE this cliche.

    I guess Brooks hasn't bothered seeing anything by the Farrelly or Wayans Brothers, or watched South Park.

    The fact is, Mel Brooks isn't funny, the best thing about any of his films was Gene Wilder, and the central premise of his alleged masterpiece, The Producers, is fatally flawed:

    http://takimag.com/article/mel_brooks_isnt_funny_kathy_shaidle

    "It’s bad enough that so many of Brooks’ self-indulgent “jokes” frankly make no sense whatsoever (“I’m a concierge.” “Frau Blucher.”) And that he encourages his actors to mug shamelessly in direct violation of the old comedy rule—displayed to perfection in Airplane!—that performers should play even the craziest situations dead straight."

    Frau Blucher was one of the funniest bits of Frankenstein. The idea we’re to infer is that Blucher engaged in some form of sexual depravity with the horses of such evil that the horses,upon hearing her name, whinny in terror.
    Seems funny to me…

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  146. @Reg Cæsar

    ...and his brother had been murdered on the streets of Washington, D.C. Weird!
     
    I was told of some Duluth connection with Halberstam, but didn't know the details. Turns out brother Michael's murderer was a rich playboy whose family owned a summer home there. Nice place in the summer, but the pests are big and black. Not unlike DC's...

    I was in the army with Halberstam in 1957, he a Harvard graduate, I a Brooklyn College graduate.
     
    Then we can presume you're not the other anonymouse (or anony-mouse) who was "don0r-conceived".

    Not that that wasn't going on in the 1930s (read David Plotz's book), but it was still shame-inducing and somewhat subterranean.

    I do know a man born to a theretofore-long-infertile couple just after WWII; he looks far more like the neighbor than to Senior. (It was apparently the law in those days that the first son be named after the greatest man who ever walked the earth, i.e., dad.) Mother was a pious Catholic of whom it is very hard to believe cheated even in desperation. I suspect their doctor, or someone he referred them to, pulled something shady.

    Now it's on "the cover of the Rolling Stone"! Boy, have we ever slid.

    That story of the burglar/murderer was unbelievable. A one-man crime wave. I don’t think “rich playboy” is the right term for him though. More like psychopath. A murder committed in the middle of a theft of someone’s home? Death penalty time.

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  147. @Harry Baldwin
    Appaloosa is a good recent western.

    Think for a moment just how Appaloosa, pales in comparison to the classic Shane. In Shane Shane the gunfighter finally knocks the father out after a grueling fistfight so the father will not go to his certain death fighting the Ryker gang for which he is no match. Shane affords the the father the opportunity to demonstrate both his courage and goodness and his worthiness of the continued love of his wife and son.

    Think how simple it would have been for Shane to have not also taken a beating, allowing the father to go to his death, then kill the Ryker gang. The lonely Shane would have had the chance claim a beautiful widow who can not help to be attracted to him and the boy who adores him and he also loves as his own.

    Instead Shane leaves town because he knows that if he stayed he would pose a sexual rival to the father and the other menfolk even if he does not wish to be one. The adoring wife and mother will no longer be subjected to temptation or gossip and we know her continued virtue is assured. Shane remains the chaste hero who will go on way perhaps taming the next town and finding love there. The film ends with us confident that the family will remain intact.

    Appaloosa may have some realist elements the mgtow crowd would love but it by no means a “classic” western.

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  148. @The Comedian
    Person spends time on internet machine claiming others don't have talent.

    Meanwhile, you’re on the internet, missing your casting call for America’s Got Talent.

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  149. Forbes says:
    @neutral
    On this topic of comedy, has anyone here ever had that awkward encounter where you are with some liberals at work or at parties and they show you a clip of one of those liberal "comedy" shows (John Oliver, Colbert). You are supposed to laugh, but its basically impossible to sincerely do it, even faking it is close to impossible. What am I supposed to do, I am not the type that wants to turn these things into bitter political arguments (thats what internet forums are for), but I honestly cannot stand those liberal comedy/political shows, they are just so anti funny.

    Ignore them–I do. These “shows” don’t present comedy, it’s partisan humor. It’s laughable only by sharing the partisan perspective of the set-up, as contrasted with the punch line.

    Comedy works by drawing on universals of human nature, not a particular political perspective. Political humor certainly has its place, but it’s not universal when it’s simply an expression of partisan animus.

    One reason PC has destroyed comedy is because it rules out-of-bounds most of the subject matter, e.g. stereotypes. Stereotypes exist because they’re universally understood to be true. Yet PC prog-lefties believe “the exception that proves the rule” is proof (the exception) that stereotypes (the rule) are wrong and don’t exist.

    Most people have lost the capacity to laugh at themselves. Being perpetually offended and outraged is the zeitgeist.

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  150. @Yak-15
    From my view, born a decade after the end of the Vietnam War, it seems as though it was the disaster that delegitimized WASP rule.

    When I read books like the Halberstam's Best and Brightest and I cannot help but notice the complete destruction of the WASP ruling class in its pages. However, it was their gambit on a stupid war and I cannot blame America for turning on them. Even when we got back a WASP in the Oval Office, GWB, he completely decimated America once again.

    We complain about having relatively few WASPs in power, but the ones we have put in power have sucked.

    BTW, I am Episcopalian and I am also embarrassed by my church. What a disgrace.

    When I read books like the Halberstam’s Best and Brightest and I cannot help but notice the complete destruction of the WASP ruling class in its pages. However, it was their gambit on a stupid war and I cannot blame America for turning on them.

    Think the same thing will happen now with the Jews? Or will it be different, since they control the media.

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    The Jews don't control that much and that which they do control is with a front man who isnt jewish. That way they never take the fall.
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  151. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Kathy Shaidle
    I HATE this cliche.

    I guess Brooks hasn't bothered seeing anything by the Farrelly or Wayans Brothers, or watched South Park.

    The fact is, Mel Brooks isn't funny, the best thing about any of his films was Gene Wilder, and the central premise of his alleged masterpiece, The Producers, is fatally flawed:

    http://takimag.com/article/mel_brooks_isnt_funny_kathy_shaidle

    "It’s bad enough that so many of Brooks’ self-indulgent “jokes” frankly make no sense whatsoever (“I’m a concierge.” “Frau Blucher.”) And that he encourages his actors to mug shamelessly in direct violation of the old comedy rule—displayed to perfection in Airplane!—that performers should play even the craziest situations dead straight."

    Brooks did a one man show on HBO a few years ago at 88. It was pretty funny.

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  152. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @ic1000
    Carl Reiner's celebration of the United States taking those final steps to become una otra república bananera is shared by many of my acquaintances here in Deep Blue country, it seems.

    Watching the CBS and NBC Evening News has become an exercise in "How to tenderize public opinion in advance of a slow-motion coup".

    To cadge from a Dreher trope, "Don't worry, Flyover America, your voices would never be invalidated by the progressive elites, and when it does happen, just remember that you deserve it."

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    Because Madam Secretary is still on the air.
    , @res
    And it would give some of her hangers-on something to do. They could even have a thinly disguised NYC real estate developer to serve as the bad guy.

    The tweet you replied to was hilarious. Worth a click-through. Real life as parody (I assume it was sincere).
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  153. @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/910993054349365255

    Because Madam Secretary is still on the air.

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  154. res says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/910993054349365255

    And it would give some of her hangers-on something to do. They could even have a thinly disguised NYC real estate developer to serve as the bad guy.

    The tweet you replied to was hilarious. Worth a click-through. Real life as parody (I assume it was sincere).

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  155. @Cagey Beast
    A close friend of Mel Brooks, Carl Reiner is fully on board with his son's anti-Russian hysteria. It's kind of ironic considering Carl Reiner did a great job years ago in "The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming".

    Honestly, it's the current "ass over tea kettle" mental state of the media, Hollywood and think-tanks that cries out most for being lampooned. Unfortunately, he and his son are going the other way:

    https://twitter.com/carlreiner/status/910368406112735237

    Remember: When Russians were ruled by mass murdering Marxists who explicitly announced their intentions to destroy us and who pointed nukes at us, liberals told us that worrying about Russia was “hysteria” and all the tension was our fault. Now that Russia is capitalist, isn’t murdering its citizens, has no ideology calling for our destruction, but is no longer Marxist, liberals tell us we must worry.

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    Yes, now that Russia's Victory Day parade features the Minister of Defence crossing himself as he passes through Saviour’s Tower Gate, the Hollywood types don't enjoy it nearly as much. Things that are signs of hope to the rest of us fill them with rage and despair. Our revival is their new dark age. They liked Russia when singing this song bought you a one-way ticket to a prison cellar or labour camp:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyxcRNyJVXU

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  156. Bleuteaux says:
    @Moshe
    Are you kidding?? Comedies made in 2010 couldn't be made now!

    Galaxia in Anger Management, 22 Jumpstreet Principal with a vagina that doesn't work, etc.

    The sudden normalizing of men with beards proudly sporting bras (very common in Manhattan now) drew a line in Comedy Sand. Beyond this line enjoying the vulgar hilarity of trannyism is verboten.

    Watching movies from 2002 feels like engaging in an act of teenage rebelliousness.

    A part of me wishes Hilary had won just so I could watch the rest of this trippy movie and see what lies beyond Dogs without leashes, Dwindling meat offering restaurants and Land reappropriations.

    Would there be a ln officially praised suicide movement, an amendment making mandarin the official language, progressive cities criminalizing infiltration, the actual adoption of sharia law in detroit or some currently impossible to imagine new religion?

    Of course it would be disgusting but I'm genuinely curious what would have happened!

    This is true. Watch the early seasons of the Office. Hell, anything before about 2006 would never be made today.

    I think Obama’s election gave the left the opportunity to turn up the heat on the frog from a slow to roiling boil.

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  157. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @27 year old
    OT

    Blue Checkmark Valarie Plame tweets unz.com article "America's jews are driving America's wars."

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910884546723196929

    REEEEEEEE happens

    Valarie doubles down, tweets several more times urging people to set aside their biases and read the entire article and think about it

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910893826079723521

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894036545765376

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910894146029621249

    Then, Valarie backs down claims she only skimmed the article and somehow missed the "undercurrents" and was not aware of "the platform" (i.e. unz.com)

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914285311754240

    https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910914329138130944

    lol all around

    This is the funniest media pseudo-scandal of recent weeks. This beats Eichenwald’s tentacle porn in fact. She has always appeared to me to be the classic Beltway showboat/ditz with an important-sounding job title and the ego to match, like a character out of “Burn After Reading”

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  158. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @The Comedian
    Between the Office, Parks and Recreation, New Girl, Master of None, Bojack Horseman, Archer, South Park, Community, Modern Family, Blackish, Brooklyn Nine Nine, Veep, its clear the minorities and women have killed comedy.

    Or maybe Steve Sailer just doesn't have a sense of humor.

    Bojack Horseman has to be one of the crappiest sub-”Fish Police” ersatz-edgy series in decades. That you would even include it in the same sentence with South Park and Veep raises troubling questions about your comedy IQ

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  159. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    History of The World, Part One and Space Balls are funny. The “Puttin’ on The Ritz” scene in Young Frankenstein is comedy gold.
     
    Opinions differ. Humor is subjective. I've seen parts of "Space Balls" - I found it to be about as funny as a routine medical procedure.

    Sure. Brooks is very broad, over-the-top (and often musical). Not everyone’s thing. I tried to find a clip of the Puttin’ On The Ritz scene from Young Frankenstein but the studio had taken it down. Worth a few minutes of your time if you can find it.

    The set-up is Dr. Frankenstein (Gene Wilder) demonstrating his revivification achievement to a conference of neurologists or something in Vienna, by doing a song & dance with his monster (Peter Boyle). Every time Boyle opens his mouth it’s hilarious (to me).

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  160. @cwhatfuture
    Remember: When Russians were ruled by mass murdering Marxists who explicitly announced their intentions to destroy us and who pointed nukes at us, liberals told us that worrying about Russia was "hysteria" and all the tension was our fault. Now that Russia is capitalist, isn't murdering its citizens, has no ideology calling for our destruction, but is no longer Marxist, liberals tell us we must worry.

    Yes, now that Russia’s Victory Day parade features the Minister of Defence crossing himself as he passes through Saviour’s Tower Gate, the Hollywood types don’t enjoy it nearly as much. Things that are signs of hope to the rest of us fill them with rage and despair. Our revival is their new dark age. They liked Russia when singing this song bought you a one-way ticket to a prison cellar or labour camp:

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  161. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yak-15
    The rabid anti-semitism of some on this site is turning off many from considering our opinions. Of course, I want it to remain a truly free speech platform but I would prefer some to really tone it down to help the cause.

    I’d settle for restricting the site to writers who can deliver interesting copy on whatever opinion, plank, or party-line. Tragically this might leave out Giraldi and other retired-spook cliches holding flashlights under their chins. The syndicated prose of Gustavo Anaheimo is like a Gibbon/Proust co-production in comparison

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  162. Ivy says:
    @SteveRogers42
    Archer is hilarious, and makes fun of blacks, women, and fruitcakes every episode.

    There are only two reasons to watch Modern Family: Sophia and Vergara. When she's off screen, simply change the channel.

    Some shows are better with the sound off, and others with the TV off.

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  163. @Forbes

    Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society.
     
    Boomers were drafted and sent to fight and die in the war in Vietnam. Boomers are a lot of things but they didn't conduct the war in Vietnam. Kennedy, Johnson, McNamara, Dean Rusk, Henry Cabot Lodge, Maxwell Taylor, McGeorge Bundy, et al., weren't Boomers.

    You might want to adjust your targeting.

    Right but their reaction to the Vietnam era, the collapse of religion, the family, the expectation that children would not be bastards, the demographic transformation, this is all the fruit of the tree of changing assumptions that the boomers are really responsible for. Unless you don’t think the things that have happened from 1992 to the present when we have had exclusively boomer presidents have anything to do with the current state of American society.

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  164. @Forbes
    I wonder about Carl Reiner's mental capacity (not really--it's seriously diminished). The process by which Hillary gets installed as president is a real puzzler...

    I don’t know but I think Hillary Clinton would do anything and everything she can to get revenge, power and immunity from prosecution. If re-interning Japanese-Americans or taking the Louisiana Territory back to the French for a refund somehow turn out to be necessary, she’ll do it.

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  165. @EdwardM
    If I didn't know the context, I might think that this is parody -- leaders aren't "installed" in democracies.

    “…. leaders aren’t “installed” in democracies.”

    Uh, yeah … right. More kool-aid for my friend here.

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  166. @Cagey Beast
    A close friend of Mel Brooks, Carl Reiner is fully on board with his son's anti-Russian hysteria. It's kind of ironic considering Carl Reiner did a great job years ago in "The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming".

    Honestly, it's the current "ass over tea kettle" mental state of the media, Hollywood and think-tanks that cries out most for being lampooned. Unfortunately, he and his son are going the other way:

    https://twitter.com/carlreiner/status/910368406112735237

    Wow, these folks are stupider than we might think, if they really believe overturning the election will do anything other than make Mike Pence the next President and perhaps start the next civil war.

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  167. Why would we no longer be allowed to say, “The sheriff is a near!” with a bell ringing at the same time the word “near” is uttered? Oh, never mind.

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  168. @Antlitz Grollheim
    Parks and Rec descended from a silly, pleasant show into a horrifying glimpse into the liberal view of small town America: a bunch of dim-witted yokels who are constantly thwarting the neurotic, ambitious, control-freak woman who embodies the "true" spirit of democracy. They don't deserve her and so she is translated into higher office where she can finally do what the people are too stupid to do for themselves.

    Literally the most popular and beloved character on the show is the right-wing liberterian anti-government male. Well maybe second most popular after Tom Haverford.

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  169. MBlanc46 says:

    Humor and Stalinists are rarely found together.

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  170. MBlanc46 says:
    @415 reasons
    The entire American consensus has unraveled. There is no longer a consensus to support free speech because there is no longer a consensus about the goals of politics. I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife because contemporary liberalism has turned so dramatically away from what a generation ago were shared American values. Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can't blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time, have made completely obsolete the core American values, shared assumptions, and shared experience that made a movie like "Blazing Saddles" funny. Blazing Saddles was made in a different country, it couldn't be made in America in 2017 any more than a Fellini film or a Kurosawa film.

    I’m a boomer who opposed the Indo-China War. I suspect that my political views are similar to yours.

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    I'm sure there are millions who fit into that category. You were outnumbered by other members of your generation who imbibed not only opposition to an ill conceived and deadly war, but the whole change in social attitudes from that time lock stock and barrel. The ones that have had the most disastrous consequences are anti-racism, feminism and anti-nationalism.

    The irony is that all of these at the time were good ideas. In the 1960s there truly was a system of racist oppression. At the time women were prevented from achieving their full potential in meaningful ways. And the thoughtless anti-communism of red blooded American nationalism was what got us into such a disastrous war in Vietnam in the first place.

    But all these ideas have outlived their usefulness and been taken to an extreme that has had intensely negative consequences. Fifty years after legal racism was dismantled and decades after it has become unconscionable to be openly racist in any meaningful institution in our society racial grievance has somehow become more divisive and destructive. Similarly, while women being able to work most any job is positive, the most noteworthy consequence of the sexual revolution has been the collapse of the intact family, especially among the lower classes. And the idea that nationalism is evil and that the essence of America is multiculturalism and mass immigration is the rationale proffered by the right-left political consensus to import a class of cheap workers/democratic voters that is going to permanently destroy the country that you lived your entire life in.

    So I don't mean to personally blame individual baby boomers, but it is the ideology unleashed and made mainstream by members of your generation that have set in motion terminal American decline.

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  171. @Cagey Beast
    Comedies work best when they're generally even-handed about who it's laughing at and who it's laughing with. Allowing a character who's generally an idiot score a point against another character is far funnier than just having it go one way all the time. John Cleese's Fish Called Wanda and Faulty Towers spring to mind, as does Doctor Strangelove. I don't think that kind of give and take is possible in Hollywood now.

    Allowing a character who’s generally an idiot score a point against another character is far funnier than just having it go one way all the time.

    This was why I hated the Frank Burns character on M*A*S*H. I think the writers recognized this so when Linville left the show, they created Winchester to replace him. Winchester could actually hold his own against Hawkeye and BJ

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  172. In honor of the death of Bernie Casey, it is worth noting that Revenge of the Nerds could not be made today.

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  173. @Rosamond Vincy
    Don't forget Peter Boyles' "Special Needs," sexist jokes about Terri Garr's proportions, self-cutters (Gene Wilder accidentally stabs himself with a scalpel at one point), causing PTSD in horses by mentioning "Frau Blucher"....

    I forgot about Frau Blucher! She probably has a whole chapter dedicated to her in the Horse DSM-5.

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  174. Sparkon says:
    @415 reasons
    The entire American consensus has unraveled. There is no longer a consensus to support free speech because there is no longer a consensus about the goals of politics. I dare not express any aspect of my true political beliefs to anyone other than my wife because contemporary liberalism has turned so dramatically away from what a generation ago were shared American values. Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can't blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s, mixed with the demographic change that was irrevocably set into motion at the same time, have made completely obsolete the core American values, shared assumptions, and shared experience that made a movie like "Blazing Saddles" funny. Blazing Saddles was made in a different country, it couldn't be made in America in 2017 any more than a Fellini film or a Kurosawa film.

    Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can’t blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s…

    It’s easy enough to make broad sweeping condemnations of an entire generation based on a TV program, but your chronology of events, and understanding of history seem incomplete, flawed, and far from clear.

    Baby Boomers were not in charge during the 60s and 70s.

    Boomers didn’t fake the Gulf of Tonkin incident, break into Watergate, resupply Israel, nor send an Airborne division to enforce integration at Little Rock Central (50s). Nor did Baby Boomers trade arms for hostages (80s).

    I’d say that television has done far more harm to America than the Baby Boomers.

    True, George W. Bush, William J. Clinton, and Donald J. Trump were all born in 1946, but from much personal experience, I can’t say those three guys are the best and brightest of that cohort, which did indeed record the 3rd highest SAT scores ever, just behind ’56 and ’63.

    To be precise, the true post WWII baby boom was over by 1951. Expanding the Baby Boom cohort up through the mid 60s is both absurd, and misleading. After 1951, the entire socio-economic scene was changing rapidly in the United States, not least of all because of the rising influence of television, the increasing menace of the Soviet Union, the threat of nuclear war, and the rise and fall of Joe McCarthy.

    The national mood by the early 50s was rapidly turning away from the post-war optimism of the late 40s. The post war baby boom was over, and succeeding generations would be different breeds of cat entirely from the cohort born in the first five years after the end of WWII.

    Oh, and during the 50s, the CIA was promoting Abstract Expressionism. See if you can blame that on the Boomers.

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    What about Woodstock? I mean the actual young audiences getting drugged out, stoned, etc. Can we blame the Boomers (who would've been of age by that point in time) for that one? How about the under 30 Black Panthers and the Weathermen, some of whom committed acts of domestic terrorism? (e.g. Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorhn, etc). Actually think a couple of the plumbers were under thirty in '72, by the way, so technically the Boomers did have a hand in that one. Also, a young Hillary Clinton was on the congressional committee to impeach President Nixon before he resigned.

    Regarding various events of American mid-century cultural highlights, there is blame to go around, and the Boomers certainly have their share. Now that they're still in charge to a fairly large extent, however, it's not likely that they'll man up and admit to their errors.

    Based on official history, I have never read anywhere where the Baby Boomer generation was over by '51, so I will take that as personal opinion and nothing more. A generation, after all, is about twenty years time.
    , @Cagey Beast
    I agree entirely with your comment, especially "I’d say that television has done far more harm to America than the Baby Boomers". There never was, and hopefully never will be, anything like the one-sided advantage television gave to a relative handful of people. The top twenty nationally distributed magazines were so tightly in sync with television that there almost needs to be one term to cover them both. A relative handful of people in a few buildings in Manhattan got their view of the world out to every living room, doctor's office waiting room and barber shop for hour after hour, year after year. People could yell at the TV screen but the TV didn't listen. The kids saw how impotent their parents were in the face of the people on TV and in the magazines. Dad yelled and the TV ignored him.
    , @res

    True, George W. Bush, William J. Clinton, and Donald J. Trump were all born in 1946, but from much personal experience, I can’t say those three guys are the best and brightest of that cohort, which did indeed record the 3rd highest SAT scores ever, just behind ’56 and ’63.
     
    Source for that? The data I see is presented by the year the test is taken: Historical Average SAT Scores graphic

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Historical_Average_SAT_Scores_%28Vector%29.svg/800px-Historical_Average_SAT_Scores_%28Vector%29.svg.png

    Of course if the SAT is taken at age 17 then born in 1946 means taking the SAT in 1963 so your first point about the 1946 birth cohort high scores is correct. The 1956 and 1963 birth cohort claims on the other hand...

    So the main thing we see from the data is the steady and large decline of average SAT scores from 1963 to 1981 which is exactly the baby boom birth years (well, one version of them) of 1946 to 1964.

    An important point though is that the proportion of the population taking the SAT changed greatly over this time. Comparing the scores of the top quarter of students to those of the top half of students (or whatever the real numbers are) is not apples to apples. Unfortunately I have yet to find a long term data series of the number of test takers and total population of that age. Does anyone have that data?

    P.S. Data for that graphic at http://www.erikthered.com/tutor/historical-average-SAT-scores.pdf
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Baby Boomers were not in charge during the 60s and 70s.
     
    That's not the point. The so-called "boomers" (the first victims of the New Math, by the way) are to other "generations" what men are to women, whites are to blacks and other people of colors, etc.-- a handy scapegoat for those too lazy to think, and too afraid to look at themselves.
    , @415 reasons
    The seeds of our destruction may have been sewn by people older than the Boomers (e.g. Teddy Kennedy's disastrous 1965 immigration bill) but the people who were in charge when we hit the tipping point, the point of no return, were Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, boomers by any definition. See also my response to MBlanc46 (#208) where I try to lay out what I mean when I say the boomers bear a lot of responsibility for our current American decline. Basically, what I mean is that all the progressive pieties that now constitute the conventional wisdom for any goodthinker who opposes Trump became the conventional wisdom through the ascendancy of the Boomers. Free love and the sexual revolution became institutionalized poverty and the replacement of fathers with welfare. The Civil Rights movement ossified into the racial grievance racket we know today. Anti-jingoism paved the way for the promotion of multiculturalism and the gradual replacement of legacy Americans.

    When I was in middle school in the mid 90s and my social studies textbook said that America was a salad bowl and not a melting pot, that we needed to appreciate multiculturalism and celebrate diversity, I would bet dollars to donuts that that was written by someone who was about a 50 year old college professor at the time, i.e. A baby boomer.

    I'm speaking in generalities but I think this chronology and causality isn't too off the wall.
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  175. @Joe Stalin
    I liked John Milius' Apocalypse Now! (1979 Original length), Conan the Barbarian (1982) and Red Dawn (1984). The Conan and Red Dawn remakes just lacked something... Milius said that the RD remake should have Mexico as the invading force; I guess PC means you have the artistic vision of a committee...

    Wasn’t Apocalypse Now directed by Francis Ford Coppola?

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    Yes, you are correct, Apocalypse Now! was directed by Coppola. John Milius was one of the screenwriters. There was an article in Soldier of Fortune magazine where Milius talks about how he wanted the film to be about the truth of Vietnam. He wrote a little bit about the scene where Brando talks about how the Communists cut off the arms of little babies that had been vaccinated and threw them into a pile. He said that was actually a true story.
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  176. @Forbes
    I'd say you've made Mel Brooks point. The production you describe wouldn't be the Mel Brooks-directed Blazing Saddles.

    Sure it would. What makes you think that Brooks was edgy and never ever politically correct for his time? Back in the ’70′s the saying was “follow the money”. Brooks sold took The Producers to Broadway where it became an enormous hit. Perhaps he tried to take Blazing Saddles to Broadway as well and got shown the door. In one of his few film flops, 1990′s “Life Sucks”, he was quoted as saying “I thought America understood irony, apparently it doesn’t.”

    Always about himself apparently. Also, this is 2017 and not 1974. Do we really need yet another re-hash of a film made from decades past? Or perhaps producers could, you know, actually pen a script from original fresh material. Five years from now veteran producers will be whining about how we can’t make The Hangover in the 2020′s because of PC-ness. Again, how about a totally new and different film that’s never been made before (genre is irrelevant)? Is it really that difficult?

    A bit daunting I grant you. But the risk is well worth the reward.

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    1990′s “Life Sucks”
     
    In 1991 a film would not have been allowed to use the word sucks in its title.

    The film are you referring to is Life Stinks.
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  177. @Sparkon

    Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can’t blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s...
     
    It's easy enough to make broad sweeping condemnations of an entire generation based on a TV program, but your chronology of events, and understanding of history seem incomplete, flawed, and far from clear.

    Baby Boomers were not in charge during the 60s and 70s.

    Boomers didn't fake the Gulf of Tonkin incident, break into Watergate, resupply Israel, nor send an Airborne division to enforce integration at Little Rock Central (50s). Nor did Baby Boomers trade arms for hostages (80s).

    I'd say that television has done far more harm to America than the Baby Boomers.

    True, George W. Bush, William J. Clinton, and Donald J. Trump were all born in 1946, but from much personal experience, I can't say those three guys are the best and brightest of that cohort, which did indeed record the 3rd highest SAT scores ever, just behind '56 and '63.

    To be precise, the true post WWII baby boom was over by 1951. Expanding the Baby Boom cohort up through the mid 60s is both absurd, and misleading. After 1951, the entire socio-economic scene was changing rapidly in the United States, not least of all because of the rising influence of television, the increasing menace of the Soviet Union, the threat of nuclear war, and the rise and fall of Joe McCarthy.

    The national mood by the early 50s was rapidly turning away from the post-war optimism of the late 40s. The post war baby boom was over, and succeeding generations would be different breeds of cat entirely from the cohort born in the first five years after the end of WWII.

    Oh, and during the 50s, the CIA was promoting Abstract Expressionism. See if you can blame that on the Boomers.

    What about Woodstock? I mean the actual young audiences getting drugged out, stoned, etc. Can we blame the Boomers (who would’ve been of age by that point in time) for that one? How about the under 30 Black Panthers and the Weathermen, some of whom committed acts of domestic terrorism? (e.g. Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorhn, etc). Actually think a couple of the plumbers were under thirty in ’72, by the way, so technically the Boomers did have a hand in that one. Also, a young Hillary Clinton was on the congressional committee to impeach President Nixon before he resigned.

    Regarding various events of American mid-century cultural highlights, there is blame to go around, and the Boomers certainly have their share. Now that they’re still in charge to a fairly large extent, however, it’s not likely that they’ll man up and admit to their errors.

    Based on official history, I have never read anywhere where the Baby Boomer generation was over by ’51, so I will take that as personal opinion and nothing more. A generation, after all, is about twenty years time.

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    a young Hillary Clinton was on the congressional committee to impeach President Nixon before he resigned.
     
    Friend, Hillary Clinton never served in the congress until she was elected to the senate in 1993; Richard Nixon died in 1994.
    , @Sparkon
    The guys who organized, promoted, and financed Woodstock were all born during, or before WWII. They were not Baby Boomers.

    My generation went to Woodstock, and also Viet Nam, but neither of those events was in our hands. We were the players, not the producers. You are mixed up about cause and effect.

    But yeah, my generation was hooked on music, and conditioned by TV, so we were easy marks for the counterculture gambit, which diffused the nascent anti-war movement by infesting it with Hippies. It wasn't until swelling numbers of returning Viet Nam veterans trumped the Hippies, and revitalized--indeed, re-legitimized-- the anti-war movement, that at last, peace was at hand, and the war was finally over.

    Please see Cagey Beast (#179) for his good comment on the power of the media, especially the boob tube, and Reg Cæsar (#187) .

    Did you find your cohort's score on the SAT charts?

    Maybe your anger at the Boomers is just jealousy over our high test scores? There must be some compelling reason to explain your seeming willingness to fudge, misrepresent, and make logical leaps in your eagerness to play the blame game with Baby Boomers.

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  178. @The Comedian
    Person spends time on internet machine claiming others don't have talent.

    Ummm…guys? If that really is–you know-THE Comedian, maybe we oughtta back away slowly…

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  179. @Sparkon

    Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can’t blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s...
     
    It's easy enough to make broad sweeping condemnations of an entire generation based on a TV program, but your chronology of events, and understanding of history seem incomplete, flawed, and far from clear.

    Baby Boomers were not in charge during the 60s and 70s.

    Boomers didn't fake the Gulf of Tonkin incident, break into Watergate, resupply Israel, nor send an Airborne division to enforce integration at Little Rock Central (50s). Nor did Baby Boomers trade arms for hostages (80s).

    I'd say that television has done far more harm to America than the Baby Boomers.

    True, George W. Bush, William J. Clinton, and Donald J. Trump were all born in 1946, but from much personal experience, I can't say those three guys are the best and brightest of that cohort, which did indeed record the 3rd highest SAT scores ever, just behind '56 and '63.

    To be precise, the true post WWII baby boom was over by 1951. Expanding the Baby Boom cohort up through the mid 60s is both absurd, and misleading. After 1951, the entire socio-economic scene was changing rapidly in the United States, not least of all because of the rising influence of television, the increasing menace of the Soviet Union, the threat of nuclear war, and the rise and fall of Joe McCarthy.

    The national mood by the early 50s was rapidly turning away from the post-war optimism of the late 40s. The post war baby boom was over, and succeeding generations would be different breeds of cat entirely from the cohort born in the first five years after the end of WWII.

    Oh, and during the 50s, the CIA was promoting Abstract Expressionism. See if you can blame that on the Boomers.

    I agree entirely with your comment, especially “I’d say that television has done far more harm to America than the Baby Boomers”. There never was, and hopefully never will be, anything like the one-sided advantage television gave to a relative handful of people. The top twenty nationally distributed magazines were so tightly in sync with television that there almost needs to be one term to cover them both. A relative handful of people in a few buildings in Manhattan got their view of the world out to every living room, doctor’s office waiting room and barber shop for hour after hour, year after year. People could yell at the TV screen but the TV didn’t listen. The kids saw how impotent their parents were in the face of the people on TV and in the magazines. Dad yelled and the TV ignored him.

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  180. Brutusale says:
    @Chris Mallory
    There are plenty of Jewish gross out movies/television shows being made. Of course they mostly attack Christians and whites now. Read Peter Grant's reaction to the show "Preacher" https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2017/08/art-be-damned-its-hatred-and.html . Or if you have a strong stomach, watch "The Night Before", you can see what Hollywood Jews really think about Christmas.

    You mean Jews doing anything on Christmas other than seeing a movie, going for Chinese food and then seeing another movie?

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    Yeah, they have it so tough on Christmas. Cry a river. Also notice the "Christmas" songs that they contributed around mid. 20th century tend to be commercialism/materialistic in nature? Wonder why?
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  181. Brutusale says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Mel Brooks seems to have a somewhat skewed view of what constitutes political correctness. What does he mean that Blazing Saddles could not be made today because of political correctness? Blazing Saddles was political correctness! It is pure negro worship, pure down with Whitey. From the oafish Whiteness of Slim Pickens and the townspeople to the White (well, Jewish) woman throwing herself on the sheriff's glorious black schnitzengruben, there is nothing in that movie substantially different from the grossest PC narratives of today. Every movie made today is nothing but the successor of Blazing Saddles. There is a direct line of descent from Blazing Saddles to Django Unchained and Birth of a Nation.

    The fact that Mr. Brooks seems genuinely not to understand this goes to show that Jewish attitudes are highly corrosive of our culture even when the Jews do not consciously intend any harm. Their habits of instinctively lauding minority elements and fringe beliefs while endless kvetching against the majority can only result in destruction. And when at last their influence has finally succeeded in making Western countries unlivable for urbane Jews like themselves, they will turn around and blame it on us for our bigotry.

    He couldn’t make the movie because of the use of the word “nigger”. No other reason necessary.

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  182. Brutusale says:
    @CAL2
    The Middle is actually a decent comedy. The father isn't played as a buffoon and everyone gets made fun of.

    Comedy is one of those genres that people vary wildly on what they like. I've never found Mel Brooks movies to particularly funny. However he is right the movie would never get made today. Actually listening to some older songs from the 80's and I realized how, and I hate this word, problematic they would be today.
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  183. @Kathy Shaidle
    I HATE this cliche.

    I guess Brooks hasn't bothered seeing anything by the Farrelly or Wayans Brothers, or watched South Park.

    The fact is, Mel Brooks isn't funny, the best thing about any of his films was Gene Wilder, and the central premise of his alleged masterpiece, The Producers, is fatally flawed:

    http://takimag.com/article/mel_brooks_isnt_funny_kathy_shaidle

    "It’s bad enough that so many of Brooks’ self-indulgent “jokes” frankly make no sense whatsoever (“I’m a concierge.” “Frau Blucher.”) And that he encourages his actors to mug shamelessly in direct violation of the old comedy rule—displayed to perfection in Airplane!—that performers should play even the craziest situations dead straight."

    The jokes making no particular sense is part of the fun. The concierge insists on using the fancy French term but mispronounces it (as well as “boids”). For years, there was a theory that “blucher” was a brand of glue; then the rumor was that an officer named Blucher who really existed must have had an unusually high number of equine fatalities. There’s a post on here that some people speculated she had some kind of Catherine the Great kink (which Catherine never actually had) and the horses were permanently traumatized.

    The truth, as Brooks finally revealed, was they just thought it would be funny to have the animals freak out whenever they heard her name. Maybe a bit of satire on the horror film convention of having animals instinctively sense something dreadful about evil characters.

    Does his shtick always work? No. The beans around the campfire scene in BS is funny if you’re a middle-school boy. On the other hand, the donut hair earphones in SB is a classic sight gag.

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    In some ways, Mel Brooks paved the way for Jerry Zucker's Airplane! and Police Squad/Naked Gun. There's very little difference between the two, 'cept that Brooks was first.
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  184. @Mr. Anon
    Good point about the mugging. I hate it when comics try to tell me that what their doing is really funny by mugging it up (that is why Letterman became so awful). If it's funny, I'll figure it out when I start laughing. The ZAZ team (Zucker, Abrams, Zucker) who made Airplane, Top Secret, Police Squad, and many others, actually are funny, unlike Brooks. I know their movies are funny, because I laugh at them when I watch them, whereas with Brooks, I only "know" he's funny because the entertainment industry relentlessly tells me he is.

    To anyone who’s attended a NY cattle call, the audition scene in “Producers,” complete with Lorenzo St. Dubois’ rendition of Jim Morrisonesque nightmare “Love Power” (sadly deleted from the musical, which moved the time frame back to the ’50s), has some priceless bits. There’s Cowboy Hitler, whiny Hitler, hopelessly old-fashioned operetta Hitler (“I was the tenor in ‘Blossom Time!’”), and the patronizing Hitler whose announcement of his selection (“The Little…Wooden…BOY!”) is so smarmy that they won’t even let him sing.

    And there’s MY favorite moment:. “Dancing Hitlers wait in the hall! We are ONLY seeing SINGING Hitlers now!” (One of many aspiring hoofers with glued-on mustaches disconsolately practices a jazz turn and an arabesque releve on his way out.)

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  185. res says:
    @Sparkon

    Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can’t blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s...
     
    It's easy enough to make broad sweeping condemnations of an entire generation based on a TV program, but your chronology of events, and understanding of history seem incomplete, flawed, and far from clear.

    Baby Boomers were not in charge during the 60s and 70s.

    Boomers didn't fake the Gulf of Tonkin incident, break into Watergate, resupply Israel, nor send an Airborne division to enforce integration at Little Rock Central (50s). Nor did Baby Boomers trade arms for hostages (80s).

    I'd say that television has done far more harm to America than the Baby Boomers.

    True, George W. Bush, William J. Clinton, and Donald J. Trump were all born in 1946, but from much personal experience, I can't say those three guys are the best and brightest of that cohort, which did indeed record the 3rd highest SAT scores ever, just behind '56 and '63.

    To be precise, the true post WWII baby boom was over by 1951. Expanding the Baby Boom cohort up through the mid 60s is both absurd, and misleading. After 1951, the entire socio-economic scene was changing rapidly in the United States, not least of all because of the rising influence of television, the increasing menace of the Soviet Union, the threat of nuclear war, and the rise and fall of Joe McCarthy.

    The national mood by the early 50s was rapidly turning away from the post-war optimism of the late 40s. The post war baby boom was over, and succeeding generations would be different breeds of cat entirely from the cohort born in the first five years after the end of WWII.

    Oh, and during the 50s, the CIA was promoting Abstract Expressionism. See if you can blame that on the Boomers.

    True, George W. Bush, William J. Clinton, and Donald J. Trump were all born in 1946, but from much personal experience, I can’t say those three guys are the best and brightest of that cohort, which did indeed record the 3rd highest SAT scores ever, just behind ’56 and ’63.

    Source for that? The data I see is presented by the year the test is taken: Historical Average SAT Scores graphic

    Of course if the SAT is taken at age 17 then born in 1946 means taking the SAT in 1963 so your first point about the 1946 birth cohort high scores is correct. The 1956 and 1963 birth cohort claims on the other hand…

    So the main thing we see from the data is the steady and large decline of average SAT scores from 1963 to 1981 which is exactly the baby boom birth years (well, one version of them) of 1946 to 1964.

    An important point though is that the proportion of the population taking the SAT changed greatly over this time. Comparing the scores of the top quarter of students to those of the top half of students (or whatever the real numbers are) is not apples to apples. Unfortunately I have yet to find a long term data series of the number of test takers and total population of that age. Does anyone have that data?

    P.S. Data for that graphic at http://www.erikthered.com/tutor/historical-average-SAT-scores.pdf

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    I had forgotten that the SAT is taken late in the year, so the cohort graduating in 1964 probably would have taken the test in late 1963. However, I have always assumed that the historical scores are tabulated by date of graduating class, not by date test was taken.

    The class year refers to the year in which an academic year ends and the graduating year for the senior class.
     
    read: class grad year, verbal score, math score

    1955 475 496
    1956 479 501
    1957 473 496
    1958 472 496
    1959 475 498
    1960 477 498
    1961 474 495
    1962 473 498
    1963 478 502
    1964 475 498
    1965 473 496
    1966 471 496
    1967 466 492
    1968 466 492
    1969 463 493
    1970 460 488

    http://www.erikthered.com/tutor/historical-average-SAT-scores.pdf

    (my extracts)

    I had based my comment, above, on this chart, but missed '59, which year matched '64 according to the attached PDF, above.

    http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/DECLINE-OF-SCHOLASTIC-APTITUDE-TEST-SCORES-IN-US-1952-1994.jpg

    Thanks for your comment. I need to post this now before I lose it.
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  186. Sparkon says:
    @res

    True, George W. Bush, William J. Clinton, and Donald J. Trump were all born in 1946, but from much personal experience, I can’t say those three guys are the best and brightest of that cohort, which did indeed record the 3rd highest SAT scores ever, just behind ’56 and ’63.
     
    Source for that? The data I see is presented by the year the test is taken: Historical Average SAT Scores graphic

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Historical_Average_SAT_Scores_%28Vector%29.svg/800px-Historical_Average_SAT_Scores_%28Vector%29.svg.png

    Of course if the SAT is taken at age 17 then born in 1946 means taking the SAT in 1963 so your first point about the 1946 birth cohort high scores is correct. The 1956 and 1963 birth cohort claims on the other hand...

    So the main thing we see from the data is the steady and large decline of average SAT scores from 1963 to 1981 which is exactly the baby boom birth years (well, one version of them) of 1946 to 1964.

    An important point though is that the proportion of the population taking the SAT changed greatly over this time. Comparing the scores of the top quarter of students to those of the top half of students (or whatever the real numbers are) is not apples to apples. Unfortunately I have yet to find a long term data series of the number of test takers and total population of that age. Does anyone have that data?

    P.S. Data for that graphic at http://www.erikthered.com/tutor/historical-average-SAT-scores.pdf

    I had forgotten that the SAT is taken late in the year, so the cohort graduating in 1964 probably would have taken the test in late 1963. However, I have always assumed that the historical scores are tabulated by date of graduating class, not by date test was taken.

    The class year refers to the year in which an academic year ends and the graduating year for the senior class.

    read: class grad year, verbal score, math score

    1955 475 496
    1956 479 501
    1957 473 496
    1958 472 496
    1959 475 498
    1960 477 498
    1961 474 495
    1962 473 498
    1963 478 502
    1964 475 498
    1965 473 496
    1966 471 496
    1967 466 492
    1968 466 492
    1969 463 493
    1970 460 488

    http://www.erikthered.com/tutor/historical-average-SAT-scores.pdf

    (my extracts)

    I had based my comment, above, on this chart, but missed ’59, which year matched ’64 according to the attached PDF, above.

    Thanks for your comment. I need to post this now before I lose it.

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    One of those plots is wrong. Regardless of whether there is a one year error in my interpretation, year of birth is most definitely different from graduation year.

    The text where your plot was published seems to confirm that the legend in that plot is wrong. See page http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/02/24/interview-with-prof-dr-busby-and-leuren-moret-%E2%80%93-fallujah-fukushima-and-the-global-radiation-catastrophe-%E2%80%A6-exposing-worldwide-depopulation-and-genocide/

    The catastrophic decline in Scholastic Aptitude Test (S.A.T.) scores in the US, from a high of 480 for children born in 1945 (yr. of birth on curve), to a low of 425 for children born in 1963, occurred at the 1963 peak of US nuclear bomb tests.
     
    Looking at your plot the low of 425 is not in 1963. It is in 1980 or 1981 (17 or 18 years later for a 1963 birth).

    Also notice that the 1995 SAT recentering (end of old test scoring) appears in 1995.
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  187. @Sparkon

    Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can’t blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s...
     
    It's easy enough to make broad sweeping condemnations of an entire generation based on a TV program, but your chronology of events, and understanding of history seem incomplete, flawed, and far from clear.

    Baby Boomers were not in charge during the 60s and 70s.

    Boomers didn't fake the Gulf of Tonkin incident, break into Watergate, resupply Israel, nor send an Airborne division to enforce integration at Little Rock Central (50s). Nor did Baby Boomers trade arms for hostages (80s).

    I'd say that television has done far more harm to America than the Baby Boomers.

    True, George W. Bush, William J. Clinton, and Donald J. Trump were all born in 1946, but from much personal experience, I can't say those three guys are the best and brightest of that cohort, which did indeed record the 3rd highest SAT scores ever, just behind '56 and '63.

    To be precise, the true post WWII baby boom was over by 1951. Expanding the Baby Boom cohort up through the mid 60s is both absurd, and misleading. After 1951, the entire socio-economic scene was changing rapidly in the United States, not least of all because of the rising influence of television, the increasing menace of the Soviet Union, the threat of nuclear war, and the rise and fall of Joe McCarthy.

    The national mood by the early 50s was rapidly turning away from the post-war optimism of the late 40s. The post war baby boom was over, and succeeding generations would be different breeds of cat entirely from the cohort born in the first five years after the end of WWII.

    Oh, and during the 50s, the CIA was promoting Abstract Expressionism. See if you can blame that on the Boomers.

    Baby Boomers were not in charge during the 60s and 70s.

    That’s not the point. The so-called “boomers” (the first victims of the New Math, by the way) are to other “generations” what men are to women, whites are to blacks and other people of colors, etc.– a handy scapegoat for those too lazy to think, and too afraid to look at themselves.

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  188. Mr. Anon says:
    @EdwardM
    If I didn't know the context, I might think that this is parody -- leaders aren't "installed" in democracies.

    If I didn’t know the context, I might think that this is parody — leaders aren’t “installed” in democracies.

    Moreover, a free country doesn’t have “leaders”. It has elected officials.

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  189. @Brutusale
    You mean Jews doing anything on Christmas other than seeing a movie, going for Chinese food and then seeing another movie?

    Yeah, they have it so tough on Christmas. Cry a river. Also notice the “Christmas” songs that they contributed around mid. 20th century tend to be commercialism/materialistic in nature? Wonder why?

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    An acerbic Irish friend used to say he was waiting for Jewish writers to cut out all the blather and write a true Christmas television special with little elves wearing yarmulkes dancing around a cash register singing "Oh, What A Friend We Have In Jesus!".
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  190. @Rosamond Vincy
    The jokes making no particular sense is part of the fun. The concierge insists on using the fancy French term but mispronounces it (as well as "boids"). For years, there was a theory that "blucher" was a brand of glue; then the rumor was that an officer named Blucher who really existed must have had an unusually high number of equine fatalities. There's a post on here that some people speculated she had some kind of Catherine the Great kink (which Catherine never actually had) and the horses were permanently traumatized.

    The truth, as Brooks finally revealed, was they just thought it would be funny to have the animals freak out whenever they heard her name. Maybe a bit of satire on the horror film convention of having animals instinctively sense something dreadful about evil characters.

    Does his shtick always work? No. The beans around the campfire scene in BS is funny if you're a middle-school boy. On the other hand, the donut hair earphones in SB is a classic sight gag.

    In some ways, Mel Brooks paved the way for Jerry Zucker’s Airplane! and Police Squad/Naked Gun. There’s very little difference between the two, ‘cept that Brooks was first.

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  191. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Speaking of PC, via Instapundit comes the news that there's now a group of Nice White People who are volunteering to do the 'emotional labor' of combating racism amongst their own kind so that 'People of Color' don't need to bother.

    They're called 'White Nonsense Roundup', and they seem not to be a parody. They've been featured as A Thing in the Huffington Post: LINK

    Here is their mission statement:


    White Nonsense Roundup (WNR) was created by white people to address our inherently racist society and stand up against racism in our own families, work spaces, and communities. We believe it is our responsibility to call out white friends, relatives, contacts, speakers, and authors who are contributing to structural racism and harming our friends of color. We are a resource for anti-racist images, links, videos, artwork, essays, and voices. These can be used by anyone for a DIY white nonsense roundup, or by the WNR team to support people of color upon their request.

    HOW IT WORKS

    If you are a Person of Color (POC), you have enough on your plate! It’s not your job to educate white people about privilege, racism, and what’s really going on in the world. If a white person is filling your social media with white nonsense – anything from overt racism to well-intentioned problematic statements – tag us and a white person will come roundup our own. We welcome your involvement, resource suggestions, and will take your feedback seriously. We are also happy to boost the signal of voices of color.
     

    They should just go ahead and call themselves 'Messiahs-R-Us'.

    I've been making the case here for some time that SJWism is a Christian heresy in which pride-filled post-Christian white people arrogate to themselves the role of Savior. I used to think I needed to make comprehensive arguments showing how this was so. Not so much, anymore.

    Pretty close to the thesis of Paul Gottfried’s book “Muliculturalism and the Politics of Guilt” if I remember it correctly. It’s been about 10 years since I read it.

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  192. res says:
    @Sparkon
    I had forgotten that the SAT is taken late in the year, so the cohort graduating in 1964 probably would have taken the test in late 1963. However, I have always assumed that the historical scores are tabulated by date of graduating class, not by date test was taken.

    The class year refers to the year in which an academic year ends and the graduating year for the senior class.
     
    read: class grad year, verbal score, math score

    1955 475 496
    1956 479 501
    1957 473 496
    1958 472 496
    1959 475 498
    1960 477 498
    1961 474 495
    1962 473 498
    1963 478 502
    1964 475 498
    1965 473 496
    1966 471 496
    1967 466 492
    1968 466 492
    1969 463 493
    1970 460 488

    http://www.erikthered.com/tutor/historical-average-SAT-scores.pdf

    (my extracts)

    I had based my comment, above, on this chart, but missed '59, which year matched '64 according to the attached PDF, above.

    http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/DECLINE-OF-SCHOLASTIC-APTITUDE-TEST-SCORES-IN-US-1952-1994.jpg

    Thanks for your comment. I need to post this now before I lose it.

    One of those plots is wrong. Regardless of whether there is a one year error in my interpretation, year of birth is most definitely different from graduation year.

    The text where your plot was published seems to confirm that the legend in that plot is wrong. See page http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/02/24/interview-with-prof-dr-busby-and-leuren-moret-%E2%80%93-fallujah-fukushima-and-the-global-radiation-catastrophe-%E2%80%A6-exposing-worldwide-depopulation-and-genocide/

    The catastrophic decline in Scholastic Aptitude Test (S.A.T.) scores in the US, from a high of 480 for children born in 1945 (yr. of birth on curve), to a low of 425 for children born in 1963, occurred at the 1963 peak of US nuclear bomb tests.

    Looking at your plot the low of 425 is not in 1963. It is in 1980 or 1981 (17 or 18 years later for a 1963 birth).

    Also notice that the 1995 SAT recentering (end of old test scoring) appears in 1995.

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    Yes, the graph I posted is labeled incorrectly. Fig 3-1 reflects year of test (or class), and not year of birth. It corresponds to the verbal scores (pink line) in the lower left of that graph you posted.

    Everything I've read pinpoints 1963 as the high-water mark for SAT scores, with a decline beginning in '64. I would note that it wasn't until '67 that the decline falls out of the range that had prevailed since '52.

    My working assumption is that television is responsible for these declines. TV's easy entertainment lured kids away from their books, and put them in front of the boob tube, gradually at first, because neither the early programming content, nor the picture quality were very good at all.

    Still, as bad as it was, some people had the TV on all day, much as old folks had the radio on.
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  193. @Diversity Heretic
    Wasn't Apocalypse Now directed by Francis Ford Coppola?

    Yes, you are correct, Apocalypse Now! was directed by Coppola. John Milius was one of the screenwriters. There was an article in Soldier of Fortune magazine where Milius talks about how he wanted the film to be about the truth of Vietnam. He wrote a little bit about the scene where Brando talks about how the Communists cut off the arms of little babies that had been vaccinated and threw them into a pile. He said that was actually a true story.

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  194. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Sure it would. What makes you think that Brooks was edgy and never ever politically correct for his time? Back in the '70's the saying was "follow the money". Brooks sold took The Producers to Broadway where it became an enormous hit. Perhaps he tried to take Blazing Saddles to Broadway as well and got shown the door. In one of his few film flops, 1990's "Life Sucks", he was quoted as saying "I thought America understood irony, apparently it doesn't."

    Always about himself apparently. Also, this is 2017 and not 1974. Do we really need yet another re-hash of a film made from decades past? Or perhaps producers could, you know, actually pen a script from original fresh material. Five years from now veteran producers will be whining about how we can't make The Hangover in the 2020's because of PC-ness. Again, how about a totally new and different film that's never been made before (genre is irrelevant)? Is it really that difficult?

    A bit daunting I grant you. But the risk is well worth the reward.

    1990′s “Life Sucks”

    In 1991 a film would not have been allowed to use the word sucks in its title.

    The film are you referring to is Life Stinks.

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    Misspoke about a film title? That does suck.

    Just got around to watching Training Day w/Denzel and Hawke. It didn't stink or suck, but frankly, seeing just what a mess LA's crime scene appeared to be back in the day, (e.g. Mexican gangs, ex-cops turned drug dealers, corrupt LAPD officials, and of course tons of drugs everywhere, etc) this city has certainly come a long way down from SoCal safety. This isn't the city of Raymond Chandler anymore.

    Perhaps the homeless problem wasn't as bad at the turn of the millennium as it apparently is at present, along with a possible outbreak of hep.

    But Training Day definitely doesn't suck. Denzel does a good job acting with his eyes in that one.

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  195. @ScarletNumber

    1990′s “Life Sucks”
     
    In 1991 a film would not have been allowed to use the word sucks in its title.

    The film are you referring to is Life Stinks.

    Misspoke about a film title? That does suck.

    Just got around to watching Training Day w/Denzel and Hawke. It didn’t stink or suck, but frankly, seeing just what a mess LA’s crime scene appeared to be back in the day, (e.g. Mexican gangs, ex-cops turned drug dealers, corrupt LAPD officials, and of course tons of drugs everywhere, etc) this city has certainly come a long way down from SoCal safety. This isn’t the city of Raymond Chandler anymore.

    Perhaps the homeless problem wasn’t as bad at the turn of the millennium as it apparently is at present, along with a possible outbreak of hep.

    But Training Day definitely doesn’t suck. Denzel does a good job acting with his eyes in that one.

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  196. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    What about Woodstock? I mean the actual young audiences getting drugged out, stoned, etc. Can we blame the Boomers (who would've been of age by that point in time) for that one? How about the under 30 Black Panthers and the Weathermen, some of whom committed acts of domestic terrorism? (e.g. Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorhn, etc). Actually think a couple of the plumbers were under thirty in '72, by the way, so technically the Boomers did have a hand in that one. Also, a young Hillary Clinton was on the congressional committee to impeach President Nixon before he resigned.

    Regarding various events of American mid-century cultural highlights, there is blame to go around, and the Boomers certainly have their share. Now that they're still in charge to a fairly large extent, however, it's not likely that they'll man up and admit to their errors.

    Based on official history, I have never read anywhere where the Baby Boomer generation was over by '51, so I will take that as personal opinion and nothing more. A generation, after all, is about twenty years time.

    a young Hillary Clinton was on the congressional committee to impeach President Nixon before he resigned.

    Friend, Hillary Clinton never served in the congress until she was elected to the senate in 1993; Richard Nixon died in 1994.

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    2001 – she was elected in 2001 (I botched my editing).
    , @ScarletNumber
    She was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    I never said she was in Congress in '74. I said she was on the committee (e.g. served as counsel along with other attorneys for the committee) and that technically means she was a part of the committee. Technically, counsel can make recommendations to the committee as a whole and their counsel can help be adopted into future legislation.

    For 26 years old, that's some pretty heavy lifting for a newcomer in DC.

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  197. @Autochthon

    a young Hillary Clinton was on the congressional committee to impeach President Nixon before he resigned.
     
    Friend, Hillary Clinton never served in the congress until she was elected to the senate in 1993; Richard Nixon died in 1994.

    2001 – she was elected in 2001 (I botched my editing).

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  198. @Autochthon

    a young Hillary Clinton was on the congressional committee to impeach President Nixon before he resigned.
     
    Friend, Hillary Clinton never served in the congress until she was elected to the senate in 1993; Richard Nixon died in 1994.

    She was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff.

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    That's what I was getting at. She was one of several attorneys on the committee to impeach Nixon. Much the way that Roy Cohn and a young Bobby Kennedy were one of several attorneys to the HUAC.
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  199. Ah. I see. That is a horse of another colour, though. It’s just like the difference between sitting on a federal court (i.e., as a judge or a justice) and being a clerk for such a court.

    The staff don’t make the decisions or cast any votes in either case: they are the hired help, and no one has any illusions about it.

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  200. @ScarletNumber
    She was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff.

    That’s what I was getting at. She was one of several attorneys on the committee to impeach Nixon. Much the way that Roy Cohn and a young Bobby Kennedy were one of several attorneys to the HUAC.

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  201. @Autochthon

    a young Hillary Clinton was on the congressional committee to impeach President Nixon before he resigned.
     
    Friend, Hillary Clinton never served in the congress until she was elected to the senate in 1993; Richard Nixon died in 1994.

    I never said she was in Congress in ’74. I said she was on the committee (e.g. served as counsel along with other attorneys for the committee) and that technically means she was a part of the committee. Technically, counsel can make recommendations to the committee as a whole and their counsel can help be adopted into future legislation.

    For 26 years old, that’s some pretty heavy lifting for a newcomer in DC.

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    It'd be the most boring argument around here since the Opinionator demanded a statement from the courts in Virginia exonerating a figment of Jackie Coakley's imagination, so I shan't belabour the matter beyond this reiteration that Clinton (then Rodham?) was most inarguably not on that (or any) congressional committee in 1974, "technically" or otherwise. I of course concede that counsel can certainly make any recommendation they wish to members of the federal congress who actually constitute congressional committees – as can milkmen, midwives, carnies, ornithologists, and their plumbers.

    In the alternative, the whole thing is down to sloppy semantics, which is fine with me so long as we define our terms. If by "on the committee" you mean "involved with its work" or "influencing it" then I agree Clinton was "on the committee" – as were any number of others, including, most likely, and inter alia, the actual members' spouses, golfing confidants, Woodward, and Bernstein. (Incidentally, Phil Spector was a member of the Beach Boys, and Aristotle co-authored Atlas Shrugged.)

    Here is a comprehensive list of all members of the (judiciary) committee which considered the impeachment of Richard Nixon (who, of course, resigned, rendering the question moot); Hillary Clinton's name is absent for the very simple reason that she was not on the committee (nor even a legislator):


    Democrats (21)
    Peter Rodino (D-New Jersey) – Chairman
    Harold D. Donohue (D-Massachusetts)
    Jack Brooks (D-Texas)
    Robert W. Kastenmeier (D-Wisconsin)
    Don Edwards (D-California)
    William L. Hungate (D-Missouri)
    John Conyers (D-Michigan)
    Joshua Eilberg (D-Pennsylvania)
    Jerome R. Waldie (D-California)
    Walter Flowers (D-Alabama)
    James Mann (D-South Carolina)
    Paul S. Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
    John F. Seiberling (D-Ohio)
    George E. Danielson (D-California)
    Robert F. Drinan (D-Massachusetts)
    Charles S. Rangel (D-New York)
    Barbara Jordan (D-Texas)
    Ray Thornton (D-Arkansas)
    Elizabeth Holtzman (D-New York)
    Wayne Owens (D-Utah)
    Edward Mezvinsky (D-Iowa)

    Republicans (17)
    Edward Hutchinson (R-Michigan)
    Robert McClory (R-Illinois)
    Henry P. Smith III (R-New York)
    Charles W. Sandman Jr. (R-New Jersey)
    Tom Railsback (R-Illinois)
    Charles E. Wiggins (R-California)
    David Dennis (R-Indiana)
    Hamilton “Ham” Fish, Jr. (R-New York)
    Wiley Mayne (R-Iowa)
    Lawrence J. Hogan (R-Maryland)
    M. Caldwell Butler (R-Virginia)
    Delbert L. Latta (R-Ohio)
    William S. Cohen (R-Maine)
    Trent Lott (R-Mississippi)
    Harold V. Froehlich (R-Wisconsin)
    Carlos J. Moorhead (R-California)
    Joseph J. Maraziti (R-New Jersey)
     

    You are, of course, quite right to observe that joining the staff of a congressman at twenty-six constitutes degree of power most of us will not realise at that age. (Deciding whether such an achievement illustrates meritocracy or cronyism I leave as an exercise for the reader.)
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  202. Yak-15 says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    When I read books like the Halberstam’s Best and Brightest and I cannot help but notice the complete destruction of the WASP ruling class in its pages. However, it was their gambit on a stupid war and I cannot blame America for turning on them.
     
    Think the same thing will happen now with the Jews? Or will it be different, since they control the media.

    The Jews don’t control that much and that which they do control is with a front man who isnt jewish. That way they never take the fall.

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  203. Brutusale says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yeah, they have it so tough on Christmas. Cry a river. Also notice the "Christmas" songs that they contributed around mid. 20th century tend to be commercialism/materialistic in nature? Wonder why?

    An acerbic Irish friend used to say he was waiting for Jewish writers to cut out all the blather and write a true Christmas television special with little elves wearing yarmulkes dancing around a cash register singing “Oh, What A Friend We Have In Jesus!”.

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  204. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    I never said she was in Congress in '74. I said she was on the committee (e.g. served as counsel along with other attorneys for the committee) and that technically means she was a part of the committee. Technically, counsel can make recommendations to the committee as a whole and their counsel can help be adopted into future legislation.

    For 26 years old, that's some pretty heavy lifting for a newcomer in DC.

    It’d be the most boring argument around here since the Opinionator demanded a statement from the courts in Virginia exonerating a figment of Jackie Coakley’s imagination, so I shan’t belabour the matter beyond this reiteration that Clinton (then Rodham?) was most inarguably not on that (or any) congressional committee in 1974, “technically” or otherwise. I of course concede that counsel can certainly make any recommendation they wish to members of the federal congress who actually constitute congressional committees – as can milkmen, midwives, carnies, ornithologists, and their plumbers.

    In the alternative, the whole thing is down to sloppy semantics, which is fine with me so long as we define our terms. If by “on the committee” you mean “involved with its work” or “influencing it” then I agree Clinton was “on the committee” – as were any number of others, including, most likely, and inter alia, the actual members’ spouses, golfing confidants, Woodward, and Bernstein. (Incidentally, Phil Spector was a member of the Beach Boys, and Aristotle co-authored Atlas Shrugged.)

    Here is a comprehensive list of all members of the (judiciary) committee which considered the impeachment of Richard Nixon (who, of course, resigned, rendering the question moot); Hillary Clinton’s name is absent for the very simple reason that she was not on the committee (nor even a legislator):

    Democrats (21)
    Peter Rodino (D-New Jersey) – Chairman
    Harold D. Donohue (D-Massachusetts)
    Jack Brooks (D-Texas)
    Robert W. Kastenmeier (D-Wisconsin)
    Don Edwards (D-California)
    William L. Hungate (D-Missouri)
    John Conyers (D-Michigan)
    Joshua Eilberg (D-Pennsylvania)
    Jerome R. Waldie (D-California)
    Walter Flowers (D-Alabama)
    James Mann (D-South Carolina)
    Paul S. Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
    John F. Seiberling (D-Ohio)
    George E. Danielson (D-California)
    Robert F. Drinan (D-Massachusetts)
    Charles S. Rangel (D-New York)
    Barbara Jordan (D-Texas)
    Ray Thornton (D-Arkansas)
    Elizabeth Holtzman (D-New York)
    Wayne Owens (D-Utah)
    Edward Mezvinsky (D-Iowa)

    Republicans (17)
    Edward Hutchinson (R-Michigan)
    Robert McClory (R-Illinois)
    Henry P. Smith III (R-New York)
    Charles W. Sandman Jr. (R-New Jersey)
    Tom Railsback (R-Illinois)
    Charles E. Wiggins (R-California)
    David Dennis (R-Indiana)
    Hamilton “Ham” Fish, Jr. (R-New York)
    Wiley Mayne (R-Iowa)
    Lawrence J. Hogan (R-Maryland)
    M. Caldwell Butler (R-Virginia)
    Delbert L. Latta (R-Ohio)
    William S. Cohen (R-Maine)
    Trent Lott (R-Mississippi)
    Harold V. Froehlich (R-Wisconsin)
    Carlos J. Moorhead (R-California)
    Joseph J. Maraziti (R-New Jersey)

    You are, of course, quite right to observe that joining the staff of a congressman at twenty-six constitutes degree of power most of us will not realise at that age. (Deciding whether such an achievement illustrates meritocracy or cronyism I leave as an exercise for the reader.)

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  205. Sparkon says:
    @res
    One of those plots is wrong. Regardless of whether there is a one year error in my interpretation, year of birth is most definitely different from graduation year.

    The text where your plot was published seems to confirm that the legend in that plot is wrong. See page http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/02/24/interview-with-prof-dr-busby-and-leuren-moret-%E2%80%93-fallujah-fukushima-and-the-global-radiation-catastrophe-%E2%80%A6-exposing-worldwide-depopulation-and-genocide/

    The catastrophic decline in Scholastic Aptitude Test (S.A.T.) scores in the US, from a high of 480 for children born in 1945 (yr. of birth on curve), to a low of 425 for children born in 1963, occurred at the 1963 peak of US nuclear bomb tests.
     
    Looking at your plot the low of 425 is not in 1963. It is in 1980 or 1981 (17 or 18 years later for a 1963 birth).

    Also notice that the 1995 SAT recentering (end of old test scoring) appears in 1995.

    Yes, the graph I posted is labeled incorrectly. Fig 3-1 reflects year of test (or class), and not year of birth. It corresponds to the verbal scores (pink line) in the lower left of that graph you posted.

    Everything I’ve read pinpoints 1963 as the high-water mark for SAT scores, with a decline beginning in ’64. I would note that it wasn’t until ’67 that the decline falls out of the range that had prevailed since ’52.

    My working assumption is that television is responsible for these declines. TV’s easy entertainment lured kids away from their books, and put them in front of the boob tube, gradually at first, because neither the early programming content, nor the picture quality were very good at all.

    Still, as bad as it was, some people had the TV on all day, much as old folks had the radio on.

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  206. MarcB. says:
    @Cagey Beast
    A close friend of Mel Brooks, Carl Reiner is fully on board with his son's anti-Russian hysteria. It's kind of ironic considering Carl Reiner did a great job years ago in "The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming".

    Honestly, it's the current "ass over tea kettle" mental state of the media, Hollywood and think-tanks that cries out most for being lampooned. Unfortunately, he and his son are going the other way:

    https://twitter.com/carlreiner/status/910368406112735237

    Carl Reiner majorly copped out when asked about PC’s debilitating effects on comedy during Norm Macdonald’s podcast.

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  207. Sparkon says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    What about Woodstock? I mean the actual young audiences getting drugged out, stoned, etc. Can we blame the Boomers (who would've been of age by that point in time) for that one? How about the under 30 Black Panthers and the Weathermen, some of whom committed acts of domestic terrorism? (e.g. Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorhn, etc). Actually think a couple of the plumbers were under thirty in '72, by the way, so technically the Boomers did have a hand in that one. Also, a young Hillary Clinton was on the congressional committee to impeach President Nixon before he resigned.

    Regarding various events of American mid-century cultural highlights, there is blame to go around, and the Boomers certainly have their share. Now that they're still in charge to a fairly large extent, however, it's not likely that they'll man up and admit to their errors.

    Based on official history, I have never read anywhere where the Baby Boomer generation was over by '51, so I will take that as personal opinion and nothing more. A generation, after all, is about twenty years time.

    The guys who organized, promoted, and financed Woodstock were all born during, or before WWII. They were not Baby Boomers.

    My generation went to Woodstock, and also Viet Nam, but neither of those events was in our hands. We were the players, not the producers. You are mixed up about cause and effect.

    But yeah, my generation was hooked on music, and conditioned by TV, so we were easy marks for the counterculture gambit, which diffused the nascent anti-war movement by infesting it with Hippies. It wasn’t until swelling numbers of returning Viet Nam veterans trumped the Hippies, and revitalized–indeed, re-legitimized– the anti-war movement, that at last, peace was at hand, and the war was finally over.

    Please see Cagey Beast (#179) for his good comment on the power of the media, especially the boob tube, and Reg Cæsar (#187) .

    Did you find your cohort’s score on the SAT charts?

    Maybe your anger at the Boomers is just jealousy over our high test scores? There must be some compelling reason to explain your seeming willingness to fudge, misrepresent, and make logical leaps in your eagerness to play the blame game with Baby Boomers.

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    "My generation went to Woodstock, and also Viet Nam"

    I said that, duh.

    "We were the players, not the producers."

    Who produced Mai Li? And the other massacres in Vietnam? Many of the US soldiers were in their early twenties and thus Boomers. Oops. Only "following order", I hear you.


    "But yeah, my generation was hooked on music, and conditioned by TV, so we were easy marks for the counterculture gambit,"

    Typical Boomer, absolving oneself from any culpability whatsoever.


    "the anti-war movement, that at last, peace was at hand, and the war was finally over."

    Uh, no, now you're confusing cause and effect. Nixon ended the war to get re-elected pure and simple. If he really wanted to end the war, he could've ended it in his first year in office per his "secret plan" to end the war.

    "Did you find your cohort’s score on the SAT charts?"

    Unlike you, I do have a life and thus its not the most pressing thing today. Put another way about SAT scores, in the words of Tom Tresh in Jim Bouton's Ball Four "Just remember kid, there's five hundred million Chinese communists out there who don't give a shit."

    "Maybe your anger at the Boomers is just jealousy over our high test scores?"

    I suppose if I'd have peaked at age 17 then the SAT would be the highlight of life, like it apparently is for some.

    "There must be some compelling reason to explain your seeming willingness to fudge, misrepresent, and make logical leaps in your eagerness to play the blame game with Baby Boomers."

    I simply pointed out that in between your obsessive rabbiting on and on about SAT scores that the Baby Boom Generation was not over in 1951, and that the Generation lasted from 1946-1964. You made an error. I know its impossible to comprehend that Boomers do make mistakes, but there it is.

    For all these vaunted SAT scores, do bear in mind what Nixon stated "It'd take a genius to screw up the US economy". As wages remain stagnant since mid. 70's (large part due to his wage price controls), shrinking middle class, one sided trade agreements, illegal immigration going up, etc. and one notices that perhaps those Boomer SAT scores may explain the sorry state of the economy, society at large, etc. for the US in 2017.

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  208. @Sparkon
    The guys who organized, promoted, and financed Woodstock were all born during, or before WWII. They were not Baby Boomers.

    My generation went to Woodstock, and also Viet Nam, but neither of those events was in our hands. We were the players, not the producers. You are mixed up about cause and effect.

    But yeah, my generation was hooked on music, and conditioned by TV, so we were easy marks for the counterculture gambit, which diffused the nascent anti-war movement by infesting it with Hippies. It wasn't until swelling numbers of returning Viet Nam veterans trumped the Hippies, and revitalized--indeed, re-legitimized-- the anti-war movement, that at last, peace was at hand, and the war was finally over.

    Please see Cagey Beast (#179) for his good comment on the power of the media, especially the boob tube, and Reg Cæsar (#187) .

    Did you find your cohort's score on the SAT charts?

    Maybe your anger at the Boomers is just jealousy over our high test scores? There must be some compelling reason to explain your seeming willingness to fudge, misrepresent, and make logical leaps in your eagerness to play the blame game with Baby Boomers.

    “My generation went to Woodstock, and also Viet Nam”

    I said that, duh.

    “We were the players, not the producers.”

    Who produced Mai Li? And the other massacres in Vietnam? Many of the US soldiers were in their early twenties and thus Boomers. Oops. Only “following order”, I hear you.

    “But yeah, my generation was hooked on music, and conditioned by TV, so we were easy marks for the counterculture gambit,”

    Typical Boomer, absolving oneself from any culpability whatsoever.

    “the anti-war movement, that at last, peace was at hand, and the war was finally over.”

    Uh, no, now you’re confusing cause and effect. Nixon ended the war to get re-elected pure and simple. If he really wanted to end the war, he could’ve ended it in his first year in office per his “secret plan” to end the war.

    “Did you find your cohort’s score on the SAT charts?”

    Unlike you, I do have a life and thus its not the most pressing thing today. Put another way about SAT scores, in the words of Tom Tresh in Jim Bouton’s Ball Four “Just remember kid, there’s five hundred million Chinese communists out there who don’t give a shit.”

    “Maybe your anger at the Boomers is just jealousy over our high test scores?”

    I suppose if I’d have peaked at age 17 then the SAT would be the highlight of life, like it apparently is for some.

    “There must be some compelling reason to explain your seeming willingness to fudge, misrepresent, and make logical leaps in your eagerness to play the blame game with Baby Boomers.”

    I simply pointed out that in between your obsessive rabbiting on and on about SAT scores that the Baby Boom Generation was not over in 1951, and that the Generation lasted from 1946-1964. You made an error. I know its impossible to comprehend that Boomers do make mistakes, but there it is.

    For all these vaunted SAT scores, do bear in mind what Nixon stated “It’d take a genius to screw up the US economy”. As wages remain stagnant since mid. 70′s (large part due to his wage price controls), shrinking middle class, one sided trade agreements, illegal immigration going up, etc. and one notices that perhaps those Boomer SAT scores may explain the sorry state of the economy, society at large, etc. for the US in 2017.

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    I wrote:

    “My generation went to Woodstock, and also Viet Nam”
     
    You replied

    I said that, duh
    [...]
    Typical Boomer, absolving oneself from any culpability whatsoever
    [...]
    Unlike you, I do have a life

     

    Culpability for what? Your apparent unhappiness? Your need to rely on TV clichés, and cheesy insults? Your inability--or unwillingness--to understand history?

    I do feel some sadness and empathy for you, because you're carrying around this negative energy, blaming others for your own apparent unhappiness. 'Bad vibes, as we used to say. It's not good for you, and it's not good for the environment, but it's an old, and well recognized human affliction.

    The spirit was willing weak, and so was the flesh.

    For the last 50+ years in the United States, it's been a race to the bottom, pretty much downhill all the way since JFK was assassinated in a coup d'tat that established the ruling oligarchy under Zionist stooge LBJ, and paved the way for the idiocracy, where the boob tube rules, and cartoon logic prevails.

    Duh, indeed, but that's your generation that was dumbed down, not mine.

    And so you want to blame the great masses of people who weren't in charge for your anguish, and dissatisifaction, rather than undertaking the vastly more difficult task of finding and fingering the actual guilty parties among that relatively small group of people who were in charge, if you can imagine such a thing, and if that's not too much nuance for you.

    Think Columbo, if that'll help put it into context for you.
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  209. @MBlanc46
    I'm a boomer who opposed the Indo-China War. I suspect that my political views are similar to yours.

    I’m sure there are millions who fit into that category. You were outnumbered by other members of your generation who imbibed not only opposition to an ill conceived and deadly war, but the whole change in social attitudes from that time lock stock and barrel. The ones that have had the most disastrous consequences are anti-racism, feminism and anti-nationalism.

    The irony is that all of these at the time were good ideas. In the 1960s there truly was a system of racist oppression. At the time women were prevented from achieving their full potential in meaningful ways. And the thoughtless anti-communism of red blooded American nationalism was what got us into such a disastrous war in Vietnam in the first place.

    But all these ideas have outlived their usefulness and been taken to an extreme that has had intensely negative consequences. Fifty years after legal racism was dismantled and decades after it has become unconscionable to be openly racist in any meaningful institution in our society racial grievance has somehow become more divisive and destructive. Similarly, while women being able to work most any job is positive, the most noteworthy consequence of the sexual revolution has been the collapse of the intact family, especially among the lower classes. And the idea that nationalism is evil and that the essence of America is multiculturalism and mass immigration is the rationale proffered by the right-left political consensus to import a class of cheap workers/democratic voters that is going to permanently destroy the country that you lived your entire life in.

    So I don’t mean to personally blame individual baby boomers, but it is the ideology unleashed and made mainstream by members of your generation that have set in motion terminal American decline.

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  210. @Sparkon

    Watching the Vietnam documentary on PBS it is clear the baby boomers absolutely ruined American society. And I can’t blame them for opposing the Vietnam war but it seems like the wholesale change in values that accompanied the 60s and 70s...
     
    It's easy enough to make broad sweeping condemnations of an entire generation based on a TV program, but your chronology of events, and understanding of history seem incomplete, flawed, and far from clear.

    Baby Boomers were not in charge during the 60s and 70s.

    Boomers didn't fake the Gulf of Tonkin incident, break into Watergate, resupply Israel, nor send an Airborne division to enforce integration at Little Rock Central (50s). Nor did Baby Boomers trade arms for hostages (80s).

    I'd say that television has done far more harm to America than the Baby Boomers.

    True, George W. Bush, William J. Clinton, and Donald J. Trump were all born in 1946, but from much personal experience, I can't say those three guys are the best and brightest of that cohort, which did indeed record the 3rd highest SAT scores ever, just behind '56 and '63.

    To be precise, the true post WWII baby boom was over by 1951. Expanding the Baby Boom cohort up through the mid 60s is both absurd, and misleading. After 1951, the entire socio-economic scene was changing rapidly in the United States, not least of all because of the rising influence of television, the increasing menace of the Soviet Union, the threat of nuclear war, and the rise and fall of Joe McCarthy.

    The national mood by the early 50s was rapidly turning away from the post-war optimism of the late 40s. The post war baby boom was over, and succeeding generations would be different breeds of cat entirely from the cohort born in the first five years after the end of WWII.

    Oh, and during the 50s, the CIA was promoting Abstract Expressionism. See if you can blame that on the Boomers.

    The seeds of our destruction may have been sewn by people older than the Boomers (e.g. Teddy Kennedy’s disastrous 1965 immigration bill) but the people who were in charge when we hit the tipping point, the point of no return, were Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, boomers by any definition. See also my response to MBlanc46 (#208) where I try to lay out what I mean when I say the boomers bear a lot of responsibility for our current American decline. Basically, what I mean is that all the progressive pieties that now constitute the conventional wisdom for any goodthinker who opposes Trump became the conventional wisdom through the ascendancy of the Boomers. Free love and the sexual revolution became institutionalized poverty and the replacement of fathers with welfare. The Civil Rights movement ossified into the racial grievance racket we know today. Anti-jingoism paved the way for the promotion of multiculturalism and the gradual replacement of legacy Americans.

    When I was in middle school in the mid 90s and my social studies textbook said that America was a salad bowl and not a melting pot, that we needed to appreciate multiculturalism and celebrate diversity, I would bet dollars to donuts that that was written by someone who was about a 50 year old college professor at the time, i.e. A baby boomer.

    I’m speaking in generalities but I think this chronology and causality isn’t too off the wall.

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  211. Sparkon says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "My generation went to Woodstock, and also Viet Nam"

    I said that, duh.

    "We were the players, not the producers."

    Who produced Mai Li? And the other massacres in Vietnam? Many of the US soldiers were in their early twenties and thus Boomers. Oops. Only "following order", I hear you.


    "But yeah, my generation was hooked on music, and conditioned by TV, so we were easy marks for the counterculture gambit,"

    Typical Boomer, absolving oneself from any culpability whatsoever.


    "the anti-war movement, that at last, peace was at hand, and the war was finally over."

    Uh, no, now you're confusing cause and effect. Nixon ended the war to get re-elected pure and simple. If he really wanted to end the war, he could've ended it in his first year in office per his "secret plan" to end the war.

    "Did you find your cohort’s score on the SAT charts?"

    Unlike you, I do have a life and thus its not the most pressing thing today. Put another way about SAT scores, in the words of Tom Tresh in Jim Bouton's Ball Four "Just remember kid, there's five hundred million Chinese communists out there who don't give a shit."

    "Maybe your anger at the Boomers is just jealousy over our high test scores?"

    I suppose if I'd have peaked at age 17 then the SAT would be the highlight of life, like it apparently is for some.

    "There must be some compelling reason to explain your seeming willingness to fudge, misrepresent, and make logical leaps in your eagerness to play the blame game with Baby Boomers."

    I simply pointed out that in between your obsessive rabbiting on and on about SAT scores that the Baby Boom Generation was not over in 1951, and that the Generation lasted from 1946-1964. You made an error. I know its impossible to comprehend that Boomers do make mistakes, but there it is.

    For all these vaunted SAT scores, do bear in mind what Nixon stated "It'd take a genius to screw up the US economy". As wages remain stagnant since mid. 70's (large part due to his wage price controls), shrinking middle class, one sided trade agreements, illegal immigration going up, etc. and one notices that perhaps those Boomer SAT scores may explain the sorry state of the economy, society at large, etc. for the US in 2017.

    I wrote:

    “My generation went to Woodstock, and also Viet Nam”

    You replied

    I said that, duh
    [...]
    Typical Boomer, absolving oneself from any culpability whatsoever
    [...]
    Unlike you, I do have a life

    Culpability for what? Your apparent unhappiness? Your need to rely on TV clichés, and cheesy insults? Your inability–or unwillingness–to understand history?

    I do feel some sadness and empathy for you, because you’re carrying around this negative energy, blaming others for your own apparent unhappiness. ‘Bad vibes, as we used to say. It’s not good for you, and it’s not good for the environment, but it’s an old, and well recognized human affliction.

    The spirit was willing weak, and so was the flesh.

    For the last 50+ years in the United States, it’s been a race to the bottom, pretty much downhill all the way since JFK was assassinated in a coup d’tat that established the ruling oligarchy under Zionist stooge LBJ, and paved the way for the idiocracy, where the boob tube rules, and cartoon logic prevails.

    Duh, indeed, but that’s your generation that was dumbed down, not mine.

    And so you want to blame the great masses of people who weren’t in charge for your anguish, and dissatisifaction, rather than undertaking the vastly more difficult task of finding and fingering the actual guilty parties among that relatively small group of people who were in charge, if you can imagine such a thing, and if that’s not too much nuance for you.

    Think Columbo, if that’ll help put it into context for you.

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    Uh, yes, Columbo, now THERE'S a REAL example of a detective solving homicides. Irony is, the actor wasn't even Italian and certainly didn't play it as such.

    I'd prefer to think of Dirty Harry. Much more realistic regarding how the world of crime and the mean streets appear in the actual (not make believe) world. Not much rabbiting on and on about the problems of crime, but, the job got done.

    The last half century which solidified so much of what went wrong with the US economically, socially, etc. and the blame is squarely upon...? Oh,come come now, you know which generation must bear the brunt of responsibility for exacerbating society's problems (hint: it's not the gen. preceding yours).

    At least you didn't use the SAT scores again to make a point. So smart are the Boomers and yet, when the baton was passed to them to change things for the better, what happened? They made it ten thousand times worse than before. All while complaining that its not their fault and the outside boogeymen of the apocalypse of TV, drugs, social unrest, rock & roll are the real culprits.

    Child, please.

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  212. @Sparkon
    I wrote:

    “My generation went to Woodstock, and also Viet Nam”
     
    You replied

    I said that, duh
    [...]
    Typical Boomer, absolving oneself from any culpability whatsoever
    [...]
    Unlike you, I do have a life

     

    Culpability for what? Your apparent unhappiness? Your need to rely on TV clichés, and cheesy insults? Your inability--or unwillingness--to understand history?

    I do feel some sadness and empathy for you, because you're carrying around this negative energy, blaming others for your own apparent unhappiness. 'Bad vibes, as we used to say. It's not good for you, and it's not good for the environment, but it's an old, and well recognized human affliction.

    The spirit was willing weak, and so was the flesh.

    For the last 50+ years in the United States, it's been a race to the bottom, pretty much downhill all the way since JFK was assassinated in a coup d'tat that established the ruling oligarchy under Zionist stooge LBJ, and paved the way for the idiocracy, where the boob tube rules, and cartoon logic prevails.

    Duh, indeed, but that's your generation that was dumbed down, not mine.

    And so you want to blame the great masses of people who weren't in charge for your anguish, and dissatisifaction, rather than undertaking the vastly more difficult task of finding and fingering the actual guilty parties among that relatively small group of people who were in charge, if you can imagine such a thing, and if that's not too much nuance for you.

    Think Columbo, if that'll help put it into context for you.

    Uh, yes, Columbo, now THERE’S a REAL example of a detective solving homicides. Irony is, the actor wasn’t even Italian and certainly didn’t play it as such.

    I’d prefer to think of Dirty Harry. Much more realistic regarding how the world of crime and the mean streets appear in the actual (not make believe) world. Not much rabbiting on and on about the problems of crime, but, the job got done.

    The last half century which solidified so much of what went wrong with the US economically, socially, etc. and the blame is squarely upon…? Oh,come come now, you know which generation must bear the brunt of responsibility for exacerbating society’s problems (hint: it’s not the gen. preceding yours).

    At least you didn’t use the SAT scores again to make a point. So smart are the Boomers and yet, when the baton was passed to them to change things for the better, what happened? They made it ten thousand times worse than before. All while complaining that its not their fault and the outside boogeymen of the apocalypse of TV, drugs, social unrest, rock & roll are the real culprits.

    Child, please.

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  213. Escher says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Modern Family, Blackish, Brooklyn Nine Nine aren't close to being funny, unless you just love trashing on normal whites. Veep is very funny . . . if you're a middle aged Nice White Lady.

    There's not one comedy that makes fun of blacks, Jews, Hispanics or women in any real way. The only safe joke is to make fun of straight white guys.

    Comedians have become the biggest pussies. Maybe they always were. They're terrified of offending the powers that be - and, I suspect, a good portion of them know it.

    Even children’s cartoons are not immune. The token white boy is either the villain, a buffoon or a buffoonish villain.

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  214. Escher says:
    @AM

    Blazing Saddles was political correctness! It is pure negro worship, pure down with Whitey. From the oafish Whiteness of Slim Pickens and the townspeople to the White (well, Jewish) woman throwing herself on the sheriff’s glorious black schnitzengruben, there is nothing in that movie substantially different from the grossest PC narratives of today.
     
    Yes and no.

    Yes, white Christian settlers were trashed. Pretty stock PC stuff there.

    On the other hand, the movie brought up almost every single black stereotype from laziness, to pot use, to relative size of certain body parts. We're not allowed to joke about that anymore. It turns out that black people are all purple snowflakes and have no group tendencies what so ever, other than group tendency to be oppressed and a victim.

    Brooks managed to trash his own culture in the next movie (Spaceballs). And a white guy (Gene Wilder) was really the comic lead in Blazing Saddles and was not presented as a buffoon.

    Yeah, it definitely follows the narrative but he is right that it would not be possible use the vast majority of the movie's jokes in a movie today.

    And a white guy (Gene Wilder) was really the comic lead in Blazing Saddles and was not presented as a buffoon.

    Gene Wilder was Jewish.

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  215. Escher says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    SJW missionaries!

    Can expect to see them soon in Asia, spreading the gospel of PC and self-hate.

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  216. Escher says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Here's the thing. There are funny comedies and comedians out there who are PC through and through. Their problem is that they basically tell the same joke over and over because there's only one safe group to make fun of.

    Their like a restaurant that make a damn fine beef wellington but's the only meal on the menu. Night after night of the same meal - even well made - just gets boring.

    Comedians are supposed to poke at the powerful; instead, they flatter them. Hell, even in medieval times, court jesters were clever enough to make the king laugh while quietly making fun of him. Comedians these days don't even try; they're more like being a comedian for Stalin.

    Btw, when are you going to live up to your moniker.

    Comedians are supposed to poke at the powerful; instead, they flatter them. Hell, even in medieval times, court jesters were clever enough to make the king laugh while quietly making fun of him. Comedians these days don’t even try; they’re more like being a comedian for Stalin.

    I don’t think any well-known comedian or talk show host has ever made fun of Obama.

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