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While Toronto celebrated its National Basketball Association championship with shootings and stabbings, murder capital St. Louis celebrated its National Hockey League championship with a good time for all. From the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

Blues wave overtakes downtown as fans celebrate their team
By Colleen Schrappen, Bryce Gray and Jesse Bogan St. Louis Post-Dispatch 22 hrs ago

Intermittent rain was no match for the blue wave — and the Blues wave — that swept down Market Street on Saturday, overflowing onto the Gateway Arch grounds where the sea of fans roared for their championship hockey heroes. …

Robinson said the parade atmosphere was an extension of the playoff watch parties — a shared experience.

“There was absolutely this sort of collective bond, where you were hugging people you didn’t even know,” he said of the two-month-long postseason run.

Cody Fulkerson and Amanda Grellner woke up at 5:30 a.m. to drive from their home in Linn, Mo., near Jefferson City. Fulkerson said he couldn’t have envisioned this ending to the season, especially with the Blues mired in the NHL cellar in early January.

“It’s a great story,” he said. “Even for young kids: Don’t give up.”

“The energy is incredible,” said Grellner, 47. “It’s something that can bring people from all walks of life together. … For St. Louis, I think that’s something we need.” …

“It’s just exciting,” said Jim Rizzo, of Webster Groves. “St. Louis is always getting a bad rap for stuff.”

“This makes us proud to be in St. Louis,” said his friend, Vikki Sanders.

 
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  1. What about the Vancouver riots? Who did those?

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Tangentially: I've long wondered why St. Louis, which has a decently-sized black population in the metro area, hasn't fielded an NBA team since the Hawks left town in the 1960s. The ABA briefly gave them a team for two years in the 70s, but that didn't survive the merger. And I've never heard any noise about giving them another.

    Heck, taking blacks out of the equation,whites stupidly go in droves to the NBA. The town is a good sports town, many guys like playing there for the Cardinals and the Blues, sort of a relaxed atmosphere with knowledgeable fans. Like a laid-back Boston or Philadelphia. ( I recall St. Lous and Minnesota being two baseball franchises many name players would opt to play for later in their careers, likely because of similar laid-back but intelligent, interested fan bases).

    Heck, the town is large enough for a HUGE baseball team (the Cardinals), so a basketball team should fit in, population wise. (usually, MLB baseball teams require a larger populations than NBA basketball or NHL hockey, which have smaller capacity arenas, play half as many games, and draw less viewership).

    Given how stable the Blues have been in remaining in the city, basketball should work. Curious.

    , @El Dato
    Suspects.
    , @jbwilson24
    "What about the Vancouver riots? Who did those?"

    A mix of whites, pajeets and some east asians.

    You'll notice that no one was shot, unlike in the Raptors celebration in Toronto.
  2. We had a similarly positive experience for the Royals’ championship parade in November 2015. They estimated 800K people turned out.

    • Replies: @Nathan
    Kansas City is sort of the anti- St Louis.

    Or at least the sketchy parts don't look like a war zone.
  3. If Steve is looking for some easy content. Minneapolis is celebrating Somali week June 30 through July 6th.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    There is just too much good content in this clown world. Steve could be posting every single hour with new Globohomo nonsense that is going on.
  4. globo homo culture, sports teams with players from anywhere but usually from groups with a genetic advantage representing the “local” team. The team is owned by some rich guy who could also be from anywhere. Sad, I cant get worked up over this, Pepsi versus Coke.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Shame on you. Report to the nearest re-education center.

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/Portals/0/attachment/2011/9a16e80d-4a71-4ffa-bb46-f037b922a3ed.jpeg


    http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a476/a476.gif?v11301bss2
    , @Digital Samizdat
    But ... but ... sportsball is the all-American sport!
    , @AnotherDad

    globo homo culture, sports teams with players from anywhere but usually from groups with a genetic advantage representing the “local” team. The team is owned by some rich guy who could also be from anywhere. Sad, I cant get worked up over this, Pepsi versus Coke.
     
    Agree.

    Pathetic is the word. And especially pathetic because the whole "our team" thing is rooted in the idea of tribe. Yet, this sportsball culture is flourishin in an era where we can't even do Tribe101 and defend our borders. One might quite reasonably think "psychological replacement".

    I read these stories and little snippets like this catch my eye:

    Cody Fulkerson and Amanda Grellner woke up at 5:30 a.m. to drive from their home in Linn, Mo., near Jefferson City. Fulkerson said he couldn’t have envisioned this ending to the season, especially with the Blues mired in the NHL cellar in early January.
    “It’s a great story,” he said. “Even for young kids: Don’t give up.”
    “The energy is incredible,” said Grellner, 47. “It’s something that can bring people from all walks of life together. … For St. Louis, I think that’s something we need.” …
     
    Popping for me …
    -- She hasn't taken his last name. Not--guessing--a real family.
    -- No mention of them having kids.
    -- Lame mention of kids. Kids don't need lame-ass sports analogies to pick up positive life lessons.
    -- Greller is 47.

    Reeks of childless white couple--probably together after some busted relationships/marriages--putting energy into a completely masturbatory useless outlet--an NHL hockey team.
  5. It’s almost as if the fans are different.

  6. A nation forges a new identity, coalescing around an alien sport – hockey.

    By: Abdul Jamal Agarwal

    Throngs of white people milled about in vibrant downtown St. Louis. Their reason for showing up? Not football. Instead, a new fever has taken hold of the hearts and minds of St. Louians.

    “When I see this hockey team, I think of America. I see faces that look like me. It’s really something that shows whiteness being our strength.”, said Earl John Smith, 37.

    Graham May, a 17 year old hockey player and aspiring country music artist, concurred: “I love what these guys represent. It’s inspiring to me, that guys like Vladimir Tarasenko and Ivan Barbashev can come and show what it means to be an American. These are just guys that I really relate to.”

    While Missouri has traditionally been known for football, ice hockey is exploding in popularity. The state is greatly enriched by the sport, and a new generation is growing up with a team that represents them. NHL mania is here to stay.

    Photo Credits: Gurpreet D’Wayne Jones

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    Somebody should tell Abdul and Gurpreet that St. Louis has had a hockey team since 1967...
    , @Reg Cæsar

    While Missouri has traditionally been known for football
     
    Uh, no. For baseball.

    Soccer buffs might be aware of St Louis's legacy in their sport.

    But the state's professional football history is nothing to brag about.
    , @Charles
    On first reading I thought this was genuine "news". It took me a moment to get the joke. Some people, judging by comments, haven't gotten it yet - unless they are doing really, really deep irony.
  7. In all seriousness.

    I love hockey and all.

    But do we really need millions of men, be it white in St. Louis, or vibrant in Toronto, out jerking themselves off over what some sportsmen did? Don’t these people have jobs and families? I saw the games on TV and in the bars just fine.

    I propose something else: a national fucking day to replace sportsball (or puck). Every white man spends the day with his wife and has sex, hopefully producing a white child.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    There was plenty of fucking that went down. Let's see how many newborn girls are named Gloria 9 months from now.
    , @Anonymous
    Celebrations, festivals etc are part of human psyche.
    , @AngloBerserkerJew
    Right on. And when grown men are wearing the jerseys of their favourite teams at work, you know you are dealing with rampant infantilism. My father was among the troops that liberated Holland in the Second World War--I'm glad he's gone so he doesn't have to witness what has become of his country and his city. During his working life, a professional wearing anything but a jacket and tie to work would have been unthinkable. You should hear the guys on the Toronto CBC "Metro Morning" radio show all but orgasmic over the Raptors . Stands to reason. The host is a weak little idiot who doesn't have time for hockey (he probably finds the fierce body contact unsettling) and the sportscaster just wants to ingratiate himself with his superiors so he can get an anchor job some day.
    , @Truth

    I propose something else: a national fucking day to replace sportsball (or puck). Every white man spends the day with his wife and has sex, hopefully producing a white child.
     
    We already have that celebration; it's called "marriage."
    , @AnotherDad

    I propose something else: a national fucking day to replace sportsball (or puck). Every white man spends the day with his wife and has sex, hopefully producing a white child.
     
    Agree with the thrust of your argument here.
  8. @Castleraegh
    If Steve is looking for some easy content. Minneapolis is celebrating Somali week June 30 through July 6th.

    There is just too much good content in this clown world. Steve could be posting every single hour with new Globohomo nonsense that is going on.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    You mean he isn't?
  9. @Haole
    globo homo culture, sports teams with players from anywhere but usually from groups with a genetic advantage representing the "local" team. The team is owned by some rich guy who could also be from anywhere. Sad, I cant get worked up over this, Pepsi versus Coke.

    Shame on you. Report to the nearest re-education center.

    • LOL: Captain Tripps
  10. Ok but let’s be real, plenty of moron (white) hockey fans out there. Just see the video of all the drunk Mass holes pummeling each other in the stands while their team was losing to the blues.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    You're missing the point. Now that Canada has relieved us of baseket ball, with hockey we of the hysterical American nation can learn to swagger (peacefully) again. We the South!

    We The South, in Order to make our sports Union more perfect again, yada yada, and to secure the Blessings of professional sports to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish Hockey as the Sport for the United States of America.

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    You're absolutely correct of course. I've been saying for decades that fistfights = gunfire.
    , @Truth
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKzZeTtc25E
  11. Gosh. Imagine what would happen if your city won the curling championship!

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman, Abe
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Post "White Riot" by The Clash.
    , @Corn
    I don’t care enough to watch curling every winter, and still haven’t figured out the rules, but I watch curling every Winter Olympics. Not gonna lie, it is oddly mesmerizing
    , @a goy named jew
    well germany won the curling world cup in 1938
  12. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    In all seriousness.

    I love hockey and all.

    But do we really need millions of men, be it white in St. Louis, or vibrant in Toronto, out jerking themselves off over what some sportsmen did? Don't these people have jobs and families? I saw the games on TV and in the bars just fine.

    I propose something else: a national fucking day to replace sportsball (or puck). Every white man spends the day with his wife and has sex, hopefully producing a white child.

    There was plenty of fucking that went down. Let’s see how many newborn girls are named Gloria 9 months from now.

    • Agree: DCThrowback
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There was plenty of fucking that went down. Let’s see how many newborn girls are named Gloria 9 months from now.
     
    It was the wrong "Gloria", though, wasn't it? The one that produced a brain aneurysm in the singer.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3HGaJHhUJR4

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTtFsWy0Oc
  13. @Marty T
    Ok but let's be real, plenty of moron (white) hockey fans out there. Just see the video of all the drunk Mass holes pummeling each other in the stands while their team was losing to the blues.

    You’re missing the point. Now that Canada has relieved us of baseket ball, with hockey we of the hysterical American nation can learn to swagger (peacefully) again. We the South!

    We The South, in Order to make our sports Union more perfect again, yada yada, and to secure the Blessings of professional sports to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish Hockey as the Sport for the United States of America.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Quebec --> Denver.
    Winnipeg --> Phoenix
    Toronto --> Birmingham (!), 1976

    On the other hand,

    Atlanta --> Calgary
    Atlanta --> Winnipeg
  14. You need to read Adam Serwer

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You need to read Adam Serwer
     
    You need to eat Armin Meiwes.

    http://thehookofficial.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Armin-Meiwes-768x576.jpg

  15. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    A nation forges a new identity, coalescing around an alien sport - hockey.

    By: Abdul Jamal Agarwal

    Throngs of white people milled about in vibrant downtown St. Louis. Their reason for showing up? Not football. Instead, a new fever has taken hold of the hearts and minds of St. Louians.

    "When I see this hockey team, I think of America. I see faces that look like me. It's really something that shows whiteness being our strength.", said Earl John Smith, 37.

    Graham May, a 17 year old hockey player and aspiring country music artist, concurred: "I love what these guys represent. It's inspiring to me, that guys like Vladimir Tarasenko and Ivan Barbashev can come and show what it means to be an American. These are just guys that I really relate to."

    While Missouri has traditionally been known for football, ice hockey is exploding in popularity. The state is greatly enriched by the sport, and a new generation is growing up with a team that represents them. NHL mania is here to stay.

    Photo Credits: Gurpreet D'Wayne Jones

    Somebody should tell Abdul and Gurpreet that St. Louis has had a hockey team since 1967…

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    It's a sp00f, silly…
  16. @istevefan
    We had a similarly positive experience for the Royals' championship parade in November 2015. They estimated 800K people turned out.

    https://twitter.com/srpatterson1988/status/661724590285045760

    Kansas City is sort of the anti- St Louis.

    Or at least the sketchy parts don’t look like a war zone.

  17. Kansas City is sort of the anti- St Louis.

    Kansas City has Kansas City, Kansas. St Louis has East St Louis, Illinois.

    • Replies: @Nathan
    I have never seen anywhere like East St Louis.

    Makes you wonder if you should be wearing a dosimeter.
  18. @Tiny Duck
    You need to read Adam Serwer

    You need to read Adam Serwer

    You need to eat Armin Meiwes.

  19. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    A nation forges a new identity, coalescing around an alien sport - hockey.

    By: Abdul Jamal Agarwal

    Throngs of white people milled about in vibrant downtown St. Louis. Their reason for showing up? Not football. Instead, a new fever has taken hold of the hearts and minds of St. Louians.

    "When I see this hockey team, I think of America. I see faces that look like me. It's really something that shows whiteness being our strength.", said Earl John Smith, 37.

    Graham May, a 17 year old hockey player and aspiring country music artist, concurred: "I love what these guys represent. It's inspiring to me, that guys like Vladimir Tarasenko and Ivan Barbashev can come and show what it means to be an American. These are just guys that I really relate to."

    While Missouri has traditionally been known for football, ice hockey is exploding in popularity. The state is greatly enriched by the sport, and a new generation is growing up with a team that represents them. NHL mania is here to stay.

    Photo Credits: Gurpreet D'Wayne Jones

    While Missouri has traditionally been known for football

    Uh, no. For baseball.

    Soccer buffs might be aware of St Louis’s legacy in their sport.

    But the state’s professional football history is nothing to brag about.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    https://i.etsystatic.com/19050805/c/1500/1191/0/50/il/11f473/1910623667/il_340x270.1910623667_7fgr.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Stan_Musial_1953.jpg/220px-Stan_Musial_1953.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Ozzie_Smith_1983.jpg/220px-Ozzie_Smith_1983.jpg

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjViMjBhYzMt[email protected]._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg
    , @Jake
    Nor MO's college football history. MO is not a football state, unless another 30 states are football states.
  20. @Ron Mexico
    There was plenty of fucking that went down. Let's see how many newborn girls are named Gloria 9 months from now.

    There was plenty of fucking that went down. Let’s see how many newborn girls are named Gloria 9 months from now.

    It was the wrong “Gloria”, though, wasn’t it? The one that produced a brain aneurysm in the singer.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    I read, also, that the actress who skated to Branigan's Gloria in Flashdance died of a brain aneurysm. Sunny Johnson was her name. Maybe the Blues removed the curse.
    Branigan's Gloria would rank 3rd for my favorite Gloria, behind Van Morrison and U2, though all 3 are completely different songs.
    , @Hrw-500
    There's also another song titled "Gloria" made by the band The Lumineers who'll be part of theur upcoming 3rd album. Very different Gloria compared to the Gloria songs from Laura Brannigan and the Shadows of Knight.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lumineers
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kok4-aVdyT4
    , @Simply Simon
    Thanks RC for posting the video of Laura singing "Gloria." That woman's sexy moves while singing could stir the blood of even an old man like me. I just looked at another video of Laura on You Tube by Yukon Video of her singing "Gloria." Same fantastic moves but a different background featuring many changes of attire including a short skirt.
  21. @Dr. X
    Somebody should tell Abdul and Gurpreet that St. Louis has had a hockey team since 1967...

    It’s a sp00f, silly…

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    Yeah, but in Clownworld you can't tell what's real any more. If I told you that men who thought they were women were dressing in drag and claiming they have a "civil right" to piss in the ladies' room next to your five year old daughter, you'd think that was a spoof, too... right?
  22. @Name
    What about the Vancouver riots? Who did those?

    Tangentially: I’ve long wondered why St. Louis, which has a decently-sized black population in the metro area, hasn’t fielded an NBA team since the Hawks left town in the 1960s. The ABA briefly gave them a team for two years in the 70s, but that didn’t survive the merger. And I’ve never heard any noise about giving them another.

    Heck, taking blacks out of the equation,whites stupidly go in droves to the NBA. The town is a good sports town, many guys like playing there for the Cardinals and the Blues, sort of a relaxed atmosphere with knowledgeable fans. Like a laid-back Boston or Philadelphia. ( I recall St. Lous and Minnesota being two baseball franchises many name players would opt to play for later in their careers, likely because of similar laid-back but intelligent, interested fan bases).

    Heck, the town is large enough for a HUGE baseball team (the Cardinals), so a basketball team should fit in, population wise. (usually, MLB baseball teams require a larger populations than NBA basketball or NHL hockey, which have smaller capacity arenas, play half as many games, and draw less viewership).

    Given how stable the Blues have been in remaining in the city, basketball should work. Curious.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    St. Louis has been shrinking in population relative to the rest of the country since roughly the 1904 World's Fair. It's possibly America's best baseball city, but that's related in part to its lack of a basketball team and intermittent lack of an NFL team.
    , @Anonymous
    STL is a funny town, in a lot of ways. It's atypical of its state, being very Catholic with more than a smattering of Jews, a strong union town for many decades in an otherwise union-hostile state, and one in which most of its blue and white collar workers moved out to the County a long time ago. A lot of German culture with the Strassenfest, etc.

    There's also a surprising Scots-Irish, country western streak. The world steel guitar convention is held there.....
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    The Hawks left in 1968 because of that old owner gripe, an outdated arena that was too small (though in this case, he had a point) and nobody wanted to build him a new one, and the Spirits had horrible attendance numbers in a moribund league. Whatever the melanin content of their flesh, folks in Saint Louie just don't want to pay to watch basketball.
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    Also to consider: For whatever reasons, NBA teams move around a great deal in comparison to MLB and even NFL teams. Just look at the Rochester/Cincinnati/Kansas City/Sacramento Seagrams/Royals/Kings or the Buffalo/San Diego/Los Angeles Braves/Clippers, or the Vancouver/Memphis Grizzlies (yeah, Canada is a basketball country), or even the Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers. Apparently, they don't call travelling off the court either.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_relocated_National_Basketball_Association_teams
    , @countenance
    See what happened in Toronto to find out why St. Louis's civic elite have been very quietly cold on chasing an NBA team.
    , @anon
    There is no NBA team in St. Louis because the former owners of the ABA's St. Louis Spirits, Ozzie and Daniel Silna, had negotiated a deal in 1976 with the NBA according to which they owned the rights to any future NBA team in St. Louis. They also negotiated the rights to the NBA visual media in perpetuity which at the time was worth not that much, but since has amounted to at least $300M in pure profit. It's known as the greatest sports deal of all time.

    To say that the NBA and its owners have been unhappy about this for decades is like saying SJWs are slightly vexed with President Trump. It looks like the NBA negotiated a buyout of this deal for $500M a few years back. So, a cool $800M for doing almost nothing for 40+ years.

    Lots of iSteve themes in this story: the shrewd Silna brothers were "Latvian" immigrants (by way of Palestine) and despite making the greatest sports deal of all time, kept suing the NBA for more. Because of course they would. Despite their shrewdness, the Silnas got fleeced in the Bernie Madoff scam, possibly because they trusted another "Latvian". Ozzie lived out his later years in Malibu, where he was deeply involved in 'coastal conservation projects'. We can guess what that means in the Malibu context.

    One of the players the Silnas owned on the Spirits was Marvin "Bad News" Barnes who, among other things, attempted to rob a bus while wearing a state championship jacket with his name on it and attacked a teammate at Providence College with a tire iron. Another was NBA legend Moses Malone of the "fo', fo', fo'" fame.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2011/05/12/revisiting-the-greatest-sports-deal-of-all-time/#59a5f3636e4c
    , @Truth

    Tangentially: I’ve long wondered why St. Louis, which has a decently-sized black population in the metro area, hasn’t fielded an NBA team since the Hawks left town in the 1960s.
     
    ...Because St. Louis has a decently-sized black population in the metro area. Black people love the NBA, on TV. We don't want to pay $300 to watch that shit.

    Atlanta's been the worst NBA city for 20 years. The best are WASPy whitopias such as Portland, Utah and Oklahoma City.
  23. @R.G. Camara
    Tangentially: I've long wondered why St. Louis, which has a decently-sized black population in the metro area, hasn't fielded an NBA team since the Hawks left town in the 1960s. The ABA briefly gave them a team for two years in the 70s, but that didn't survive the merger. And I've never heard any noise about giving them another.

    Heck, taking blacks out of the equation,whites stupidly go in droves to the NBA. The town is a good sports town, many guys like playing there for the Cardinals and the Blues, sort of a relaxed atmosphere with knowledgeable fans. Like a laid-back Boston or Philadelphia. ( I recall St. Lous and Minnesota being two baseball franchises many name players would opt to play for later in their careers, likely because of similar laid-back but intelligent, interested fan bases).

    Heck, the town is large enough for a HUGE baseball team (the Cardinals), so a basketball team should fit in, population wise. (usually, MLB baseball teams require a larger populations than NBA basketball or NHL hockey, which have smaller capacity arenas, play half as many games, and draw less viewership).

    Given how stable the Blues have been in remaining in the city, basketball should work. Curious.

    St. Louis has been shrinking in population relative to the rest of the country since roughly the 1904 World’s Fair. It’s possibly America’s best baseball city, but that’s related in part to its lack of a basketball team and intermittent lack of an NFL team.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Yeah, can't agree. NFL is a wholly different animal from other American sports; it's a once-a-weekend day all-day event, not the everyday grind-it-out of baseball, basketball, or hockey. You can have a well-attended NFL team in the middle of nowhere (Green Bay) or in a major city with lots of other sports options (NY Giants + Jets).

    I also really don't know how you can say basketball draws from baseball or vice versa. Winter versus summer sports. Plus there've been loads of cities that are large diehard fan bases for both sports (NYC with the Yankees and Knicks; Boston with the Celtics and Red Sox; etc.)

    A shrinking population is one thing, but plenty of metro areas had declines and resurgences since 1904.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    It’s possibly America’s best baseball city, but that’s related in part to its lack of a basketball team and intermittent lack of an NFL team.
     
    Yes, but which way the causation?

    St Louis was baseball heaven before pro basketball even existed. And why would basketball fail and hockey succeed in such a black city? Football didn't arrive till 1960.

    The city's soccer legacy is fascinating, though it's long been eclipsed. 24 teams in MLS, including one in Kansas, but none in St Louis. Or even Missouri. That's like the National League without NYC, or the NHL without Toronto.
  24. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara
    Tangentially: I've long wondered why St. Louis, which has a decently-sized black population in the metro area, hasn't fielded an NBA team since the Hawks left town in the 1960s. The ABA briefly gave them a team for two years in the 70s, but that didn't survive the merger. And I've never heard any noise about giving them another.

    Heck, taking blacks out of the equation,whites stupidly go in droves to the NBA. The town is a good sports town, many guys like playing there for the Cardinals and the Blues, sort of a relaxed atmosphere with knowledgeable fans. Like a laid-back Boston or Philadelphia. ( I recall St. Lous and Minnesota being two baseball franchises many name players would opt to play for later in their careers, likely because of similar laid-back but intelligent, interested fan bases).

    Heck, the town is large enough for a HUGE baseball team (the Cardinals), so a basketball team should fit in, population wise. (usually, MLB baseball teams require a larger populations than NBA basketball or NHL hockey, which have smaller capacity arenas, play half as many games, and draw less viewership).

    Given how stable the Blues have been in remaining in the city, basketball should work. Curious.

    STL is a funny town, in a lot of ways. It’s atypical of its state, being very Catholic with more than a smattering of Jews, a strong union town for many decades in an otherwise union-hostile state, and one in which most of its blue and white collar workers moved out to the County a long time ago. A lot of German culture with the Strassenfest, etc.

    There’s also a surprising Scots-Irish, country western streak. The world steel guitar convention is held there…..

    • Replies: @Flip
    St. Louis was founded by French Catholics and had a lot of German immigration in the 1800s and has a very prominent Jewish community. Southern Missouri is heavily Scotch-Irish originally from Appalachia and some of them drifted to the city.
  25. lol. why do people think every city with a million africans is a great place for an NBA team? nobody cares about the atlanta hawks. nobody cares about the miami heat. nobody cares about the new orleans, whatever their name is. they’d be losing money without that giant television contract and revenue sharing, and they did lose money, in the past.

    when i lived in charlotte you could get bobcat tickets for free and they had enough people at the games to fill one side of the arena, which they deliberately did, so they’d put the television cameras on the other side only, to make it look like the games were more full. attendance was actually more like 6000 per game. africans don’t even care about going to watch the team michael jordan owns. at least he was able to get the hornets name back.

    LA has 2 NBA teams and the african population is steadily declining, the games are totally sold out and billionaires are fighting each other to wildly overpay to own these franchises.

    like all these news articles about marketers realizing that targeting millenials has no ROI because millenials are broke, basketball owners realize targeting cities because they have lots of africans doesn’t necessarily have much ROI. you can’t count on africans to do anything other than watch television. you won’t be selling tons of 100 dollar tickets to africans.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Blacks, as I've said before, are two things when it comes to sports: (1) front runners; and (2) glamour-hounds. They have no loyalty to a team, only to who's on top and who's got the flashiest players. The guy wearing all Lakers gear this year will switch to all-Raptors gear next year (at significant cost to his pay check) if the Lakers hit the skids and the Raptors win (as they did this year). Or the team with the flashiest player----I remember when Lebron hit it big when he first joined the league, guys on both coasts were sporting Cavs gear.

    Still, a black local population will show up for a front-running team if it comes to town to play the locals. The Hawks draw crowds whenever big names come in.
  26. I predict at the precise moment that Blacks finally collectively “get it” and start to behave or at least appreciate their unique situation is going to be the moment that the rest of the world decides they have had enough of their shit. Life is just ironic like that.

    • Replies: @Jake
    Historically, non-Negro Mohammedans castrate virtually all blacks that hint at causing trouble. If Whitey loses power to protect the Numinous Negro, which will happen if demographic changes are not halted and reversed, Mohammedans will again start snipping.

    And the Chinese have much less use for blacks than do Mohammedans.
    , @CCZ
    Blacks get to "appreciate their unique situation" as "deserving" of "reparations" live at 10 AM June 19th. Tune in and enjoy the intellect of (among others TN Coates and Danny Glover) and the political comedy of Democrat Sheila Jackson Lee.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?461767-1/danny-glover-ta-nehisi-coates-testify-slavery-reparations
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Haha honestly you may be onto something.

    I sense that *some* blacks are *kind of* taking a good look at themselves and their culture... it's not much but it's a start.
  27. @Name
    What about the Vancouver riots? Who did those?

    Suspects.

  28. @Buzz Mohawk
    Gosh. Imagine what would happen if your city won the curling championship!

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/02/23/sports/23uscurling1/merlin_134401586_0944fb7b-6c34-4106-be0f-1d64f5f0d88d-superJumbo.jpg

    Post “White Riot” by The Clash.

  29. Sure, now compare the socioeconomic demographic of hockey versus basketball.

  30. @Steve Sailer
    St. Louis has been shrinking in population relative to the rest of the country since roughly the 1904 World's Fair. It's possibly America's best baseball city, but that's related in part to its lack of a basketball team and intermittent lack of an NFL team.

    Yeah, can’t agree. NFL is a wholly different animal from other American sports; it’s a once-a-weekend day all-day event, not the everyday grind-it-out of baseball, basketball, or hockey. You can have a well-attended NFL team in the middle of nowhere (Green Bay) or in a major city with lots of other sports options (NY Giants + Jets).

    I also really don’t know how you can say basketball draws from baseball or vice versa. Winter versus summer sports. Plus there’ve been loads of cities that are large diehard fan bases for both sports (NYC with the Yankees and Knicks; Boston with the Celtics and Red Sox; etc.)

    A shrinking population is one thing, but plenty of metro areas had declines and resurgences since 1904.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    The Packers might have moved out if not for the arrival of Holmgren and Favre in the early 90s. It's hard to find enough people to dedicate time and money to more than one sports as the population shrinks regardless of being in different seasons.
  31. @prime noticer
    lol. why do people think every city with a million africans is a great place for an NBA team? nobody cares about the atlanta hawks. nobody cares about the miami heat. nobody cares about the new orleans, whatever their name is. they'd be losing money without that giant television contract and revenue sharing, and they did lose money, in the past.

    when i lived in charlotte you could get bobcat tickets for free and they had enough people at the games to fill one side of the arena, which they deliberately did, so they'd put the television cameras on the other side only, to make it look like the games were more full. attendance was actually more like 6000 per game. africans don't even care about going to watch the team michael jordan owns. at least he was able to get the hornets name back.

    LA has 2 NBA teams and the african population is steadily declining, the games are totally sold out and billionaires are fighting each other to wildly overpay to own these franchises.

    like all these news articles about marketers realizing that targeting millenials has no ROI because millenials are broke, basketball owners realize targeting cities because they have lots of africans doesn't necessarily have much ROI. you can't count on africans to do anything other than watch television. you won't be selling tons of 100 dollar tickets to africans.

    Blacks, as I’ve said before, are two things when it comes to sports: (1) front runners; and (2) glamour-hounds. They have no loyalty to a team, only to who’s on top and who’s got the flashiest players. The guy wearing all Lakers gear this year will switch to all-Raptors gear next year (at significant cost to his pay check) if the Lakers hit the skids and the Raptors win (as they did this year). Or the team with the flashiest player—-I remember when Lebron hit it big when he first joined the league, guys on both coasts were sporting Cavs gear.

    Still, a black local population will show up for a front-running team if it comes to town to play the locals. The Hawks draw crowds whenever big names come in.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Being a fair-weather fan is not irrational.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Lack of sports loyalty probably correlates with a lack of certain gift for abstract thinking that may not be accurately measured by IQ. Sports loyalty is of course completely irrational, much like "patriotism", "ethnic identity" or "fiat currency". A professional sports team is composed of a number of individuals from different parts of the country/world, being paid money by an organization that generates revenue from selling to anyone who has money a chance to watch these athletes, and also sells overpriced merchandise, food, and drinks. It requires a certain gift for abstraction and imagination to declare loyalty to a concept like "St Louis Blues", a concept that exists independently of the actual individual athletes on the team at any given moment, owners or followers - it exists in the physical world essentially only as a trademark, style of uniform, a shared history, and a common agreement in society that it exists. In the words of Kurt Vonnegut, it is a "granfalloon" - "a proud and meaningless collection of human beings." Some people, even very intelligent people, just don't seem to be able to understand the concept of a "team" or "nation" the way other people do (Chuck Klosterman, for example). My sense is that a lot of black people fall into that category. Jews are at the opposite extreme, and it is probably no accident that so many Jewish people tend to become avid fans of sports teams, and romanticize their affairs with the Dodgers, the Knicks or whatever.
    , @Charles
    "his pay check"?
  32. @R.G. Camara
    Blacks, as I've said before, are two things when it comes to sports: (1) front runners; and (2) glamour-hounds. They have no loyalty to a team, only to who's on top and who's got the flashiest players. The guy wearing all Lakers gear this year will switch to all-Raptors gear next year (at significant cost to his pay check) if the Lakers hit the skids and the Raptors win (as they did this year). Or the team with the flashiest player----I remember when Lebron hit it big when he first joined the league, guys on both coasts were sporting Cavs gear.

    Still, a black local population will show up for a front-running team if it comes to town to play the locals. The Hawks draw crowds whenever big names come in.

    Being a fair-weather fan is not irrational.

  33. @Haole
    globo homo culture, sports teams with players from anywhere but usually from groups with a genetic advantage representing the "local" team. The team is owned by some rich guy who could also be from anywhere. Sad, I cant get worked up over this, Pepsi versus Coke.

    But … but … sportsball is the all-American sport!

  34. eah says:

    OT

    Tweet from ‘CBS This Morning’ — about a police encounter in Phoenix (the family is suing for $10m) — read down to see the replies, ie how many people fully buy the ‘narrative’ of the incident that CBS is selling (of course the civilians in the “encounter” are black, as are the CBS people covering it).

    Police report on the incident — compare/contrast.

    This is how the media operates: they gin up faux outrage among SJWs based on race and selective reporting of half-truths (if not outright falsehoods) — and they do it again and again.

    • Replies: @eah
    Oh and this is an actual tweet from a young black woman:

    https://twitter.com/Cripperella/status/1140287066137354240
    , @Dan Hayes
    eah:

    The black narrative on these and other stories is also being pushed by the Daily Mail. Has this been a recent occurrence with Editor Dacre's departure?
  35. @eah
    OT

    Tweet from 'CBS This Morning' -- about a police encounter in Phoenix (the family is suing for $10m) -- read down to see the replies, ie how many people fully buy the 'narrative' of the incident that CBS is selling (of course the civilians in the "encounter" are black, as are the CBS people covering it).

    Police report on the incident -- compare/contrast.

    This is how the media operates: they gin up faux outrage among SJWs based on race and selective reporting of half-truths (if not outright falsehoods) -- and they do it again and again.

    Oh and this is an actual tweet from a young black woman:

    https://twitter.com/Cripperella/status/1140287066137354240

    • Replies: @eah
    Also an actual tweet.

    https://twitter.com/Blumpfs2ndTerm/status/1140320237507743744
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    If that tweet is not a parody, then it's one of the saddest and most scathing indictments of contemporary US culture I've seen. It's not just the moral vacuum implied -- it's the complete and unselfconscious lack of agency.
  36. @R.G. Camara
    Blacks, as I've said before, are two things when it comes to sports: (1) front runners; and (2) glamour-hounds. They have no loyalty to a team, only to who's on top and who's got the flashiest players. The guy wearing all Lakers gear this year will switch to all-Raptors gear next year (at significant cost to his pay check) if the Lakers hit the skids and the Raptors win (as they did this year). Or the team with the flashiest player----I remember when Lebron hit it big when he first joined the league, guys on both coasts were sporting Cavs gear.

    Still, a black local population will show up for a front-running team if it comes to town to play the locals. The Hawks draw crowds whenever big names come in.

    Lack of sports loyalty probably correlates with a lack of certain gift for abstract thinking that may not be accurately measured by IQ. Sports loyalty is of course completely irrational, much like “patriotism”, “ethnic identity” or “fiat currency”. A professional sports team is composed of a number of individuals from different parts of the country/world, being paid money by an organization that generates revenue from selling to anyone who has money a chance to watch these athletes, and also sells overpriced merchandise, food, and drinks. It requires a certain gift for abstraction and imagination to declare loyalty to a concept like “St Louis Blues”, a concept that exists independently of the actual individual athletes on the team at any given moment, owners or followers – it exists in the physical world essentially only as a trademark, style of uniform, a shared history, and a common agreement in society that it exists. In the words of Kurt Vonnegut, it is a “granfalloon” – “a proud and meaningless collection of human beings.” Some people, even very intelligent people, just don’t seem to be able to understand the concept of a “team” or “nation” the way other people do (Chuck Klosterman, for example). My sense is that a lot of black people fall into that category. Jews are at the opposite extreme, and it is probably no accident that so many Jewish people tend to become avid fans of sports teams, and romanticize their affairs with the Dodgers, the Knicks or whatever.

    • Replies: @eah
    Sports loyalty is of course completely irrational, much like “patriotism”, “ethnic identity” or “fiat currency”.

    There's nothing "irrational" about fiat currency, ie that the medium of exchange has itself no intrinsic value -- its use to facilitate a convenient exchange of value (goods, services) seems rational to me -- abuse of a fiat currency is another matter -- but I would also not say that's irrational -- more venal and short-sighted.

    There is also nothing "irrational" about ethnic identity, since in-group preference and wariness of outsiders is doubtless the result of evolutionary pressure.
    , @Desiderius
    Patriotism is not irrational.
    , @anon
    Sports loyalty in in its original form - supporting your clan/tribe/village in what essentially is a mock battle - is not irrational.
    Supporting a modern pro sports franchise is of course a different story for the reasons you mentioned.
    However, it satisfies the psychological need for BIRGing (basking in reflected glory) if the team is winning. That you personally had nothing to do with its success, accomplished by perfect stranger mercenaries unrelated to you by blood or culture, is simply ignored.
    As we've seen from the Toronto Raptors NYT op-ed, muslim subcons are able to feel kinship with African-American and African-African basketballers briefly playing in Canada through a mixture of hate-whitey, melanin, and delusion.
  37. @eah
    Oh and this is an actual tweet from a young black woman:

    https://twitter.com/Cripperella/status/1140287066137354240
  38. @Reg Cæsar

    There was plenty of fucking that went down. Let’s see how many newborn girls are named Gloria 9 months from now.
     
    It was the wrong "Gloria", though, wasn't it? The one that produced a brain aneurysm in the singer.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3HGaJHhUJR4

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTtFsWy0Oc

    I read, also, that the actress who skated to Branigan’s Gloria in Flashdance died of a brain aneurysm. Sunny Johnson was her name. Maybe the Blues removed the curse.
    Branigan’s Gloria would rank 3rd for my favorite Gloria, behind Van Morrison and U2, though all 3 are completely different songs.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    https://youtu.be/suUQAxvI80k
  39. eah says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Lack of sports loyalty probably correlates with a lack of certain gift for abstract thinking that may not be accurately measured by IQ. Sports loyalty is of course completely irrational, much like "patriotism", "ethnic identity" or "fiat currency". A professional sports team is composed of a number of individuals from different parts of the country/world, being paid money by an organization that generates revenue from selling to anyone who has money a chance to watch these athletes, and also sells overpriced merchandise, food, and drinks. It requires a certain gift for abstraction and imagination to declare loyalty to a concept like "St Louis Blues", a concept that exists independently of the actual individual athletes on the team at any given moment, owners or followers - it exists in the physical world essentially only as a trademark, style of uniform, a shared history, and a common agreement in society that it exists. In the words of Kurt Vonnegut, it is a "granfalloon" - "a proud and meaningless collection of human beings." Some people, even very intelligent people, just don't seem to be able to understand the concept of a "team" or "nation" the way other people do (Chuck Klosterman, for example). My sense is that a lot of black people fall into that category. Jews are at the opposite extreme, and it is probably no accident that so many Jewish people tend to become avid fans of sports teams, and romanticize their affairs with the Dodgers, the Knicks or whatever.

    Sports loyalty is of course completely irrational, much like “patriotism”, “ethnic identity” or “fiat currency”.

    There’s nothing “irrational” about fiat currency, ie that the medium of exchange has itself no intrinsic value — its use to facilitate a convenient exchange of value (goods, services) seems rational to me — abuse of a fiat currency is another matter — but I would also not say that’s irrational — more venal and short-sighted.

    There is also nothing “irrational” about ethnic identity, since in-group preference and wariness of outsiders is doubtless the result of evolutionary pressure.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    "irrational" may not be exactly the right word, but when you consider people you didn't grow up with and who are essentially strangers to be "in-group", to the point where you would even make sacrifices for those people, based on an abstract concept like "Irish heritage" or "Judaism", than you are going beyond simple environmental pressure to the realm of abstraction, and not all humans can really make that leap. That said, identification around skin color, a common language or even religious practice is obviously far less abstract than identification around a sports team.
  40. OT

    Ein bisschen Spaß muss man haben — “Jugend forscht” (Speisestärke:Wasser 2:1 — made with 2 parts food starch to 1 part water).

  41. @Reg Cæsar

    While Missouri has traditionally been known for football
     
    Uh, no. For baseball.

    Soccer buffs might be aware of St Louis's legacy in their sport.

    But the state's professional football history is nothing to brag about.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The St. Louis Cardinals have been a great baseball franchise since Branch Rickey became their boss a century ago and invented the farm system.
    , @DCThrowback
    find me a better logo than a Cardinal sitting on a bat. classic iconography.
  42. @Marty T
    Ok but let's be real, plenty of moron (white) hockey fans out there. Just see the video of all the drunk Mass holes pummeling each other in the stands while their team was losing to the blues.

    You’re absolutely correct of course. I’ve been saying for decades that fistfights = gunfire.

  43. @Captain Tripps
    https://i.etsystatic.com/19050805/c/1500/1191/0/50/il/11f473/1910623667/il_340x270.1910623667_7fgr.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Stan_Musial_1953.jpg/220px-Stan_Musial_1953.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Ozzie_Smith_1983.jpg/220px-Ozzie_Smith_1983.jpg

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjViMjBhYzMt[email protected]._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg

    The St. Louis Cardinals have been a great baseball franchise since Branch Rickey became their boss a century ago and invented the farm system.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    Yes; as a Chicagoland native, I saw my first game in the daytime at Wrigley at a very young age (Banks, Williams, Santo prime), so Cubs fan (and taught to unlike the Cardinals), but I always admired St. Louis as a model franchise. That said, I was not a fan of the Whitey Herzog era of bunt-and-steal-let's manufacture-a-run. I kinda like this "three true outcomes" era because home runs are just fun to watch. As a kid, I grew up at the tail end of baseball as America's game, before the dominance of the NFL, so when school was over from Spring through Fall, as soon as I could I grabbed my mitt and ball and would play catch/fungo/pick-up games with my friends in the neighborhood. The Cardinals just seem to be able to find the guys who can do this when it counts:

    https://youtu.be/PZVCrKcOl78

    https://youtu.be/x4ptxMSM8Pc

    https://youtu.be/L4PB0XoLbm8

    https://youtu.be/KCG5krQPyXQ

    Niedenfuer was kind of a hard luck guy at the most inopportune time...

  44. @R.G. Camara
    Tangentially: I've long wondered why St. Louis, which has a decently-sized black population in the metro area, hasn't fielded an NBA team since the Hawks left town in the 1960s. The ABA briefly gave them a team for two years in the 70s, but that didn't survive the merger. And I've never heard any noise about giving them another.

    Heck, taking blacks out of the equation,whites stupidly go in droves to the NBA. The town is a good sports town, many guys like playing there for the Cardinals and the Blues, sort of a relaxed atmosphere with knowledgeable fans. Like a laid-back Boston or Philadelphia. ( I recall St. Lous and Minnesota being two baseball franchises many name players would opt to play for later in their careers, likely because of similar laid-back but intelligent, interested fan bases).

    Heck, the town is large enough for a HUGE baseball team (the Cardinals), so a basketball team should fit in, population wise. (usually, MLB baseball teams require a larger populations than NBA basketball or NHL hockey, which have smaller capacity arenas, play half as many games, and draw less viewership).

    Given how stable the Blues have been in remaining in the city, basketball should work. Curious.

    The Hawks left in 1968 because of that old owner gripe, an outdated arena that was too small (though in this case, he had a point) and nobody wanted to build him a new one, and the Spirits had horrible attendance numbers in a moribund league. Whatever the melanin content of their flesh, folks in Saint Louie just don’t want to pay to watch basketball.

  45. @Steve Sailer
    The St. Louis Cardinals have been a great baseball franchise since Branch Rickey became their boss a century ago and invented the farm system.

    Yes; as a Chicagoland native, I saw my first game in the daytime at Wrigley at a very young age (Banks, Williams, Santo prime), so Cubs fan (and taught to unlike the Cardinals), but I always admired St. Louis as a model franchise. That said, I was not a fan of the Whitey Herzog era of bunt-and-steal-let’s manufacture-a-run. I kinda like this “three true outcomes” era because home runs are just fun to watch. As a kid, I grew up at the tail end of baseball as America’s game, before the dominance of the NFL, so when school was over from Spring through Fall, as soon as I could I grabbed my mitt and ball and would play catch/fungo/pick-up games with my friends in the neighborhood. The Cardinals just seem to be able to find the guys who can do this when it counts:

    Niedenfuer was kind of a hard luck guy at the most inopportune time…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    After serving up Jack Clark's LCS winning homer in 1985, Niedenfuer was asked if he ever thought there was a chance the blast wouldn't leave the park: "Yeah, sure ... if it hit the Goodyear Blimp and dropped down on the field."
    , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    That said, I was not a fan of the Whitey Herzog era of bunt-and-steal-let’s manufacture-a-run. I kinda like this “three true outcomes” era because home runs are just fun to watch.

     

    Eww, gross. Baseball is fun to watch. A game of nothing but the "three true outcomes" is not really baseball.
    , @Marty
    The only year the Cards won it all under Herzog, '82, they were last in the league in home runs with 67. The Braves, the team they beat in the playoffs, led the league with 146.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Yes; as a Chicagoland native, I saw my first game in the daytime at Wrigley at a very young age (Banks, Williams, Santo prime)
     
    I watched a lot of Mets games on TV in the same era, and got the idea that Wrigley was the best ballpark in the world. It's good, yes. But imagine my surprise when I finally made it there over a weekend to find it wasn't even the best ballpark in Chicago.

    You had to go to Comiskey to learn that, though. It was less telegenic than Wrigley or Fenway, or even Jarry. Yankee viewers wouldn't have picked up on that.
  46. @R.G. Camara
    Tangentially: I've long wondered why St. Louis, which has a decently-sized black population in the metro area, hasn't fielded an NBA team since the Hawks left town in the 1960s. The ABA briefly gave them a team for two years in the 70s, but that didn't survive the merger. And I've never heard any noise about giving them another.

    Heck, taking blacks out of the equation,whites stupidly go in droves to the NBA. The town is a good sports town, many guys like playing there for the Cardinals and the Blues, sort of a relaxed atmosphere with knowledgeable fans. Like a laid-back Boston or Philadelphia. ( I recall St. Lous and Minnesota being two baseball franchises many name players would opt to play for later in their careers, likely because of similar laid-back but intelligent, interested fan bases).

    Heck, the town is large enough for a HUGE baseball team (the Cardinals), so a basketball team should fit in, population wise. (usually, MLB baseball teams require a larger populations than NBA basketball or NHL hockey, which have smaller capacity arenas, play half as many games, and draw less viewership).

    Given how stable the Blues have been in remaining in the city, basketball should work. Curious.

    Also to consider: For whatever reasons, NBA teams move around a great deal in comparison to MLB and even NFL teams. Just look at the Rochester/Cincinnati/Kansas City/Sacramento Seagrams/Royals/Kings or the Buffalo/San Diego/Los Angeles Braves/Clippers, or the Vancouver/Memphis Grizzlies (yeah, Canada is a basketball country), or even the Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers. Apparently, they don’t call travelling off the court either.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_relocated_National_Basketball_Association_teams

  47. @Captain Tripps
    https://i.etsystatic.com/19050805/c/1500/1191/0/50/il/11f473/1910623667/il_340x270.1910623667_7fgr.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Stan_Musial_1953.jpg/220px-Stan_Musial_1953.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Ozzie_Smith_1983.jpg/220px-Ozzie_Smith_1983.jpg

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjViMjBhYzMt[email protected]._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg

    find me a better logo than a Cardinal sitting on a bat. classic iconography.

    • Agree: Captain Tripps
    • Replies: @Captain Tripps

    find me a better logo
     
    Well, since you asked...

    https://i.imgur.com/0gYW7is.jpg

    https://securea.mlb.com/assets/images/1/6/8/107318168/cuts/banks_toi9x6as_1enpdfcn.jpg

    https://www.guideposts.org/sites/guideposts.org/files/styles/hero_box_left_lg/public/story/santo_marquee.jpg

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/jWWjAbF9CB6cGGzJLtYDd_Vn8GM=/0x607:2397x2205/1200x800/filters:focal(0x607:2397x2205)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/48563719/GettyImages-53011420.0.jpg
  48. @Captain Tripps
    Yes; as a Chicagoland native, I saw my first game in the daytime at Wrigley at a very young age (Banks, Williams, Santo prime), so Cubs fan (and taught to unlike the Cardinals), but I always admired St. Louis as a model franchise. That said, I was not a fan of the Whitey Herzog era of bunt-and-steal-let's manufacture-a-run. I kinda like this "three true outcomes" era because home runs are just fun to watch. As a kid, I grew up at the tail end of baseball as America's game, before the dominance of the NFL, so when school was over from Spring through Fall, as soon as I could I grabbed my mitt and ball and would play catch/fungo/pick-up games with my friends in the neighborhood. The Cardinals just seem to be able to find the guys who can do this when it counts:

    https://youtu.be/PZVCrKcOl78

    https://youtu.be/x4ptxMSM8Pc

    https://youtu.be/L4PB0XoLbm8

    https://youtu.be/KCG5krQPyXQ

    Niedenfuer was kind of a hard luck guy at the most inopportune time...

    After serving up Jack Clark’s LCS winning homer in 1985, Niedenfuer was asked if he ever thought there was a chance the blast wouldn’t leave the park: “Yeah, sure … if it hit the Goodyear Blimp and dropped down on the field.”

    • LOL: Captain Tripps
    • Replies: @Walsh2
    Not sure if you're interested in college baseball but the College World Series is being played this week in Omaha. It really is a great event with a number of interesting story lines. Today Louisville and Auburn play in an elimination game and Vandy plays Miss State in evening game. The kid pitching for Vandy, Kumar Rocker, threw a no hitter with 19 strikeouts against Duke last week in a regional game. He's the son of Tracy Rocker who was one of the best linebackers in college football history and is now the defensive line coach for the UT Vols. I'm actually glad it flies under the radar as college baseball in general and the College World Series in particular are throwbacks to a different age in college athletics. If you don't already, I would recommend watching a game or two. The early game today probably comes on at 12:00 PST. Grab a dog and a beer and enjoy.
    , @Marty
    Still not the best Dodger quote ever. That belongs to Pedro Guerrero. Asked what he thought about while playing 3rd base, he said:

    "First, I pray they don't hit it to me. Second, I pray they don't hit it to Sax."
  49. @DCThrowback
    find me a better logo than a Cardinal sitting on a bat. classic iconography.

    find me a better logo

    Well, since you asked…

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Sorry. There is no question about the best logo in sports

    Designed personally by a real pioneer, Hayden Fry

    https://campussports.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/iowalogo.jpg?quality=88&w=750
    http://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9781582613734_p0_v1_s1200x630.jpg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwoL_-O8pKc
    , @William Badwhite
    The Cubs have a particular hold on liberals and cucks (like George Will). Something about really liking losers. Same goes for the pre-2000 Red Sox. Anytime you'd watch a documentary on baseball, there would be some dork in a bowtie waxing romantically about baseball and sure enough, its a Red Sox or Cubs fan.
  50. @Peter Akuleyev
    Lack of sports loyalty probably correlates with a lack of certain gift for abstract thinking that may not be accurately measured by IQ. Sports loyalty is of course completely irrational, much like "patriotism", "ethnic identity" or "fiat currency". A professional sports team is composed of a number of individuals from different parts of the country/world, being paid money by an organization that generates revenue from selling to anyone who has money a chance to watch these athletes, and also sells overpriced merchandise, food, and drinks. It requires a certain gift for abstraction and imagination to declare loyalty to a concept like "St Louis Blues", a concept that exists independently of the actual individual athletes on the team at any given moment, owners or followers - it exists in the physical world essentially only as a trademark, style of uniform, a shared history, and a common agreement in society that it exists. In the words of Kurt Vonnegut, it is a "granfalloon" - "a proud and meaningless collection of human beings." Some people, even very intelligent people, just don't seem to be able to understand the concept of a "team" or "nation" the way other people do (Chuck Klosterman, for example). My sense is that a lot of black people fall into that category. Jews are at the opposite extreme, and it is probably no accident that so many Jewish people tend to become avid fans of sports teams, and romanticize their affairs with the Dodgers, the Knicks or whatever.

    Patriotism is not irrational.

  51. I saw in the St. Louis news station websites that, during the overnight after the parade, and close to the parade route, there was a murder. Most likely the demographics of both doer and vic have nothing to do with the demographics of those who were at the parade.

    Note: St. Louis now joins the “All Four Trophies” club — World Series, Walter Brown (NBA trophy title pre-1977), Lombardi Trophy, Stanley Cup.

  52. @R.G. Camara
    Tangentially: I've long wondered why St. Louis, which has a decently-sized black population in the metro area, hasn't fielded an NBA team since the Hawks left town in the 1960s. The ABA briefly gave them a team for two years in the 70s, but that didn't survive the merger. And I've never heard any noise about giving them another.

    Heck, taking blacks out of the equation,whites stupidly go in droves to the NBA. The town is a good sports town, many guys like playing there for the Cardinals and the Blues, sort of a relaxed atmosphere with knowledgeable fans. Like a laid-back Boston or Philadelphia. ( I recall St. Lous and Minnesota being two baseball franchises many name players would opt to play for later in their careers, likely because of similar laid-back but intelligent, interested fan bases).

    Heck, the town is large enough for a HUGE baseball team (the Cardinals), so a basketball team should fit in, population wise. (usually, MLB baseball teams require a larger populations than NBA basketball or NHL hockey, which have smaller capacity arenas, play half as many games, and draw less viewership).

    Given how stable the Blues have been in remaining in the city, basketball should work. Curious.

    See what happened in Toronto to find out why St. Louis’s civic elite have been very quietly cold on chasing an NBA team.

  53. @Ron Mexico
    I read, also, that the actress who skated to Branigan's Gloria in Flashdance died of a brain aneurysm. Sunny Johnson was her name. Maybe the Blues removed the curse.
    Branigan's Gloria would rank 3rd for my favorite Gloria, behind Van Morrison and U2, though all 3 are completely different songs.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    Who can argue with that? Mozart is on a whole 'nuther level.
  54. anon[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara
    Tangentially: I've long wondered why St. Louis, which has a decently-sized black population in the metro area, hasn't fielded an NBA team since the Hawks left town in the 1960s. The ABA briefly gave them a team for two years in the 70s, but that didn't survive the merger. And I've never heard any noise about giving them another.

    Heck, taking blacks out of the equation,whites stupidly go in droves to the NBA. The town is a good sports town, many guys like playing there for the Cardinals and the Blues, sort of a relaxed atmosphere with knowledgeable fans. Like a laid-back Boston or Philadelphia. ( I recall St. Lous and Minnesota being two baseball franchises many name players would opt to play for later in their careers, likely because of similar laid-back but intelligent, interested fan bases).

    Heck, the town is large enough for a HUGE baseball team (the Cardinals), so a basketball team should fit in, population wise. (usually, MLB baseball teams require a larger populations than NBA basketball or NHL hockey, which have smaller capacity arenas, play half as many games, and draw less viewership).

    Given how stable the Blues have been in remaining in the city, basketball should work. Curious.

    There is no NBA team in St. Louis because the former owners of the ABA’s St. Louis Spirits, Ozzie and Daniel Silna, had negotiated a deal in 1976 with the NBA according to which they owned the rights to any future NBA team in St. Louis. They also negotiated the rights to the NBA visual media in perpetuity which at the time was worth not that much, but since has amounted to at least $300M in pure profit. It’s known as the greatest sports deal of all time.

    To say that the NBA and its owners have been unhappy about this for decades is like saying SJWs are slightly vexed with President Trump. It looks like the NBA negotiated a buyout of this deal for $500M a few years back. So, a cool $800M for doing almost nothing for 40+ years.

    Lots of iSteve themes in this story: the shrewd Silna brothers were “Latvian” immigrants (by way of Palestine) and despite making the greatest sports deal of all time, kept suing the NBA for more. Because of course they would. Despite their shrewdness, the Silnas got fleeced in the Bernie Madoff scam, possibly because they trusted another “Latvian”. Ozzie lived out his later years in Malibu, where he was deeply involved in ‘coastal conservation projects’. We can guess what that means in the Malibu context.

    One of the players the Silnas owned on the Spirits was Marvin “Bad News” Barnes who, among other things, attempted to rob a bus while wearing a state championship jacket with his name on it and attacked a teammate at Providence College with a tire iron. Another was NBA legend Moses Malone of the “fo’, fo’, fo’” fame.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2011/05/12/revisiting-the-greatest-sports-deal-of-all-time/#59a5f3636e4c

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I bow down: that's iSteveier than iSteve could do.
    , @Jake
    Latvian Jews have a long reputation for being more Jewish than most Jews in terms of being lying cheats who would sell their own granny to make another buck. There is a long tradition of Latvian Lutheran willingness to help Germanic attempts to rule as much of eastern Europe as they wish.

    No wonder the Modern PC West romanticizes Latvia as an innocent.
    , @Prester John
    Though I am admittedly at sea when it comes to deep financial/legal matters this has to be asked: How could someone claim to "own the rights to any FUTURE NBA team" unless it was their OWN team? Would love to know the details of this, uh, "deal."

    Incidentally, "News" got paid millions by the ABA Spirits--after which he subsequently spent every last penny and went flat broke. He eventually died after (according to Wiki) he went back on the drug trail.

    De good dey dies yong.

    , @Corn
    You mentioned Marvin Barnes. A little anecdote from his Wikipedia entry:

    “Often the colorful personality, Barnes once refused to board a plane from Louisville to St. Louis. With the time zone difference, the flight actually arrived before the departure time. Barnes famously (and in all seriousness) said "I ain't getting no damn time machine." He rented a car instead. [4]”

    Colorful indeed.
    , @Lot
    Not having an NBA team is a blessing. You should thank him for getting rich on the backs of billionaire league owners who agreed to an improvident contract, not by extorting local taxpayers for a free billion dollar stadium that might last less than 30 years.
    , @Eric Ruttencutter
    Wasn’t there a story about Barnes that he refused to board the team flight from an eastern time zone city (Louisville?) back to central time zone St. Louis, because he noticed that the arrival time was earlier than the departure time? “I ain’t getting into no m— f—- time machine!”
    I think Bob Costas, who was the Spirits’ play by play man, told this story
  55. @Desiderius
    https://youtu.be/suUQAxvI80k

    Who can argue with that? Mozart is on a whole ‘nuther level.

  56. @eah
    Sports loyalty is of course completely irrational, much like “patriotism”, “ethnic identity” or “fiat currency”.

    There's nothing "irrational" about fiat currency, ie that the medium of exchange has itself no intrinsic value -- its use to facilitate a convenient exchange of value (goods, services) seems rational to me -- abuse of a fiat currency is another matter -- but I would also not say that's irrational -- more venal and short-sighted.

    There is also nothing "irrational" about ethnic identity, since in-group preference and wariness of outsiders is doubtless the result of evolutionary pressure.

    “irrational” may not be exactly the right word, but when you consider people you didn’t grow up with and who are essentially strangers to be “in-group”, to the point where you would even make sacrifices for those people, based on an abstract concept like “Irish heritage” or “Judaism”, than you are going beyond simple environmental pressure to the realm of abstraction, and not all humans can really make that leap. That said, identification around skin color, a common language or even religious practice is obviously far less abstract than identification around a sports team.

    • Replies: @anon
    A lot of French people are quite happy to support the nearly all-African France team in the World Cup. I guess a common language and winning is enough to make that leap. Some French folks I've talked to are very proud of their supporting a black Team France and have said so.
  57. anon[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Lack of sports loyalty probably correlates with a lack of certain gift for abstract thinking that may not be accurately measured by IQ. Sports loyalty is of course completely irrational, much like "patriotism", "ethnic identity" or "fiat currency". A professional sports team is composed of a number of individuals from different parts of the country/world, being paid money by an organization that generates revenue from selling to anyone who has money a chance to watch these athletes, and also sells overpriced merchandise, food, and drinks. It requires a certain gift for abstraction and imagination to declare loyalty to a concept like "St Louis Blues", a concept that exists independently of the actual individual athletes on the team at any given moment, owners or followers - it exists in the physical world essentially only as a trademark, style of uniform, a shared history, and a common agreement in society that it exists. In the words of Kurt Vonnegut, it is a "granfalloon" - "a proud and meaningless collection of human beings." Some people, even very intelligent people, just don't seem to be able to understand the concept of a "team" or "nation" the way other people do (Chuck Klosterman, for example). My sense is that a lot of black people fall into that category. Jews are at the opposite extreme, and it is probably no accident that so many Jewish people tend to become avid fans of sports teams, and romanticize their affairs with the Dodgers, the Knicks or whatever.

    Sports loyalty in in its original form – supporting your clan/tribe/village in what essentially is a mock battle – is not irrational.
    Supporting a modern pro sports franchise is of course a different story for the reasons you mentioned.
    However, it satisfies the psychological need for BIRGing (basking in reflected glory) if the team is winning. That you personally had nothing to do with its success, accomplished by perfect stranger mercenaries unrelated to you by blood or culture, is simply ignored.
    As we’ve seen from the Toronto Raptors NYT op-ed, muslim subcons are able to feel kinship with African-American and African-African basketballers briefly playing in Canada through a mixture of hate-whitey, melanin, and delusion.

  58. OT

    Perhaps the most “ratioed” tweet I’ve ever seen — remember: the UK has a nominally conservative (Tory) government.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Attention Steve Sailer:

    How about using this map which claims to show the relative size of England and Wales and Scotland as compared to Africa in conjunction with your chart and graph that shows the African Population Explosion?

    I am not sure if this is right, but if it is, this comparison of the main British island and Africa is a shocker.

    https://twitter.com/LesleyMillercyp/status/1140881162002423809
    , @El Dato
    "Resettlement" (in German: "Umsiedlung") is generally meant to designate forced move of undesirables into the boondocks or near the desert where they can be regularly abused by Einsatztruppen, Chinese Megacorps. NATO aircraft, Israeli punitive expeditions, Chupacabras and other things.

    Here, it's the reverse. OTOH, it's just 5000.

    The UK will aim to resettle 5,000 refugees in 2020, Home Secretary Sajid Javid has announced.

    A new global resettlement scheme will come in to replace the vulnerable persons resettlement scheme and others, which have already helped 16,000 refugees since 2015.

    Announcing the plans at the start of World Refugee Week, Mr Javid said the new programme would broaden the geographical focus beyond the Middle East and north Africa, and be more responsive to emergencies.

    He said: “Since 2016, Britain has resettled more refugees from outside Europe than any other EU state – and it’s vital we continue to do all we can to help the world’s most vulnerable.

    “Under our new scheme, thousands more people fleeing conflict and persecution will have the opportunity to build a new life in the UK.
     
    I have said it before and I will say it again: is there anyone (even more than Obama) who looks more "suspiciously groomed for the diversity-imbued power position from an early age" than Sajid Javid?
  59. @anon
    There is no NBA team in St. Louis because the former owners of the ABA's St. Louis Spirits, Ozzie and Daniel Silna, had negotiated a deal in 1976 with the NBA according to which they owned the rights to any future NBA team in St. Louis. They also negotiated the rights to the NBA visual media in perpetuity which at the time was worth not that much, but since has amounted to at least $300M in pure profit. It's known as the greatest sports deal of all time.

    To say that the NBA and its owners have been unhappy about this for decades is like saying SJWs are slightly vexed with President Trump. It looks like the NBA negotiated a buyout of this deal for $500M a few years back. So, a cool $800M for doing almost nothing for 40+ years.

    Lots of iSteve themes in this story: the shrewd Silna brothers were "Latvian" immigrants (by way of Palestine) and despite making the greatest sports deal of all time, kept suing the NBA for more. Because of course they would. Despite their shrewdness, the Silnas got fleeced in the Bernie Madoff scam, possibly because they trusted another "Latvian". Ozzie lived out his later years in Malibu, where he was deeply involved in 'coastal conservation projects'. We can guess what that means in the Malibu context.

    One of the players the Silnas owned on the Spirits was Marvin "Bad News" Barnes who, among other things, attempted to rob a bus while wearing a state championship jacket with his name on it and attacked a teammate at Providence College with a tire iron. Another was NBA legend Moses Malone of the "fo', fo', fo'" fame.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2011/05/12/revisiting-the-greatest-sports-deal-of-all-time/#59a5f3636e4c

    I bow down: that’s iSteveier than iSteve could do.

  60. anon[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    "irrational" may not be exactly the right word, but when you consider people you didn't grow up with and who are essentially strangers to be "in-group", to the point where you would even make sacrifices for those people, based on an abstract concept like "Irish heritage" or "Judaism", than you are going beyond simple environmental pressure to the realm of abstraction, and not all humans can really make that leap. That said, identification around skin color, a common language or even religious practice is obviously far less abstract than identification around a sports team.

    A lot of French people are quite happy to support the nearly all-African France team in the World Cup. I guess a common language and winning is enough to make that leap. Some French folks I’ve talked to are very proud of their supporting a black Team France and have said so.

  61. @Mr McKenna
    It's a sp00f, silly…

    Yeah, but in Clownworld you can’t tell what’s real any more. If I told you that men who thought they were women were dressing in drag and claiming they have a “civil right” to piss in the ladies’ room next to your five year old daughter, you’d think that was a spoof, too… right?

  62. @Reg Cæsar

    While Missouri has traditionally been known for football
     
    Uh, no. For baseball.

    Soccer buffs might be aware of St Louis's legacy in their sport.

    But the state's professional football history is nothing to brag about.

    Nor MO’s college football history. MO is not a football state, unless another 30 states are football states.

  63. @anon
    There is no NBA team in St. Louis because the former owners of the ABA's St. Louis Spirits, Ozzie and Daniel Silna, had negotiated a deal in 1976 with the NBA according to which they owned the rights to any future NBA team in St. Louis. They also negotiated the rights to the NBA visual media in perpetuity which at the time was worth not that much, but since has amounted to at least $300M in pure profit. It's known as the greatest sports deal of all time.

    To say that the NBA and its owners have been unhappy about this for decades is like saying SJWs are slightly vexed with President Trump. It looks like the NBA negotiated a buyout of this deal for $500M a few years back. So, a cool $800M for doing almost nothing for 40+ years.

    Lots of iSteve themes in this story: the shrewd Silna brothers were "Latvian" immigrants (by way of Palestine) and despite making the greatest sports deal of all time, kept suing the NBA for more. Because of course they would. Despite their shrewdness, the Silnas got fleeced in the Bernie Madoff scam, possibly because they trusted another "Latvian". Ozzie lived out his later years in Malibu, where he was deeply involved in 'coastal conservation projects'. We can guess what that means in the Malibu context.

    One of the players the Silnas owned on the Spirits was Marvin "Bad News" Barnes who, among other things, attempted to rob a bus while wearing a state championship jacket with his name on it and attacked a teammate at Providence College with a tire iron. Another was NBA legend Moses Malone of the "fo', fo', fo'" fame.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2011/05/12/revisiting-the-greatest-sports-deal-of-all-time/#59a5f3636e4c

    Latvian Jews have a long reputation for being more Jewish than most Jews in terms of being lying cheats who would sell their own granny to make another buck. There is a long tradition of Latvian Lutheran willingness to help Germanic attempts to rule as much of eastern Europe as they wish.

    No wonder the Modern PC West romanticizes Latvia as an innocent.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Now I understand why Seinfeld chose "Latvia Orthodoxy" as a stand-in to mock the Greeks of Astoria.
  64. @R.G. Camara
    Yeah, can't agree. NFL is a wholly different animal from other American sports; it's a once-a-weekend day all-day event, not the everyday grind-it-out of baseball, basketball, or hockey. You can have a well-attended NFL team in the middle of nowhere (Green Bay) or in a major city with lots of other sports options (NY Giants + Jets).

    I also really don't know how you can say basketball draws from baseball or vice versa. Winter versus summer sports. Plus there've been loads of cities that are large diehard fan bases for both sports (NYC with the Yankees and Knicks; Boston with the Celtics and Red Sox; etc.)

    A shrinking population is one thing, but plenty of metro areas had declines and resurgences since 1904.

    The Packers might have moved out if not for the arrival of Holmgren and Favre in the early 90s. It’s hard to find enough people to dedicate time and money to more than one sports as the population shrinks regardless of being in different seasons.

  65. @anon
    There is no NBA team in St. Louis because the former owners of the ABA's St. Louis Spirits, Ozzie and Daniel Silna, had negotiated a deal in 1976 with the NBA according to which they owned the rights to any future NBA team in St. Louis. They also negotiated the rights to the NBA visual media in perpetuity which at the time was worth not that much, but since has amounted to at least $300M in pure profit. It's known as the greatest sports deal of all time.

    To say that the NBA and its owners have been unhappy about this for decades is like saying SJWs are slightly vexed with President Trump. It looks like the NBA negotiated a buyout of this deal for $500M a few years back. So, a cool $800M for doing almost nothing for 40+ years.

    Lots of iSteve themes in this story: the shrewd Silna brothers were "Latvian" immigrants (by way of Palestine) and despite making the greatest sports deal of all time, kept suing the NBA for more. Because of course they would. Despite their shrewdness, the Silnas got fleeced in the Bernie Madoff scam, possibly because they trusted another "Latvian". Ozzie lived out his later years in Malibu, where he was deeply involved in 'coastal conservation projects'. We can guess what that means in the Malibu context.

    One of the players the Silnas owned on the Spirits was Marvin "Bad News" Barnes who, among other things, attempted to rob a bus while wearing a state championship jacket with his name on it and attacked a teammate at Providence College with a tire iron. Another was NBA legend Moses Malone of the "fo', fo', fo'" fame.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2011/05/12/revisiting-the-greatest-sports-deal-of-all-time/#59a5f3636e4c

    Though I am admittedly at sea when it comes to deep financial/legal matters this has to be asked: How could someone claim to “own the rights to any FUTURE NBA team” unless it was their OWN team? Would love to know the details of this, uh, “deal.”

    Incidentally, “News” got paid millions by the ABA Spirits–after which he subsequently spent every last penny and went flat broke. He eventually died after (according to Wiki) he went back on the drug trail.

    De good dey dies yong.

  66. @KunioKun
    I predict at the precise moment that Blacks finally collectively "get it" and start to behave or at least appreciate their unique situation is going to be the moment that the rest of the world decides they have had enough of their shit. Life is just ironic like that.

    Historically, non-Negro Mohammedans castrate virtually all blacks that hint at causing trouble. If Whitey loses power to protect the Numinous Negro, which will happen if demographic changes are not halted and reversed, Mohammedans will again start snipping.

    And the Chinese have much less use for blacks than do Mohammedans.

    • Replies: @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    Historically, non-Negro Mohammedans castrate virtually all blacks that hint at causing trouble. If Whitey loses power to protect the Numinous Negro, which will happen if demographic changes are not halted and reversed, Mohammedans will again start snipping.
     
    Not only that, Arab Muslims, while launching the trans-Atlantic slave trade in black flesh by going into the interior of Africa as the first non-native visitors, buying captured blacks from conquering black tribes and marching them west to the Atlantic coast (the door of no return) for shipment aboard Jew finances slave vessels, also marched an estimated one hundred million black slaves across the dessert back to Arabia.

    So no community of descendants of black Africa in Arabia today when only a small fraction were taken west for shipment to the New World where black descendants have lived for hundreds of years to this day?

    Because all the male black slaves were castrated by the Arab Muslims before the march to Arabia began and all the offspring of Arab slavers by black concubines were aborted or murdered at birth.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAZ3W_lDJ78
    , @Truth
    ...Thank you, year 1067 AD.

    Are you planning on staying long?

    , @Truth

    And the Chinese have much less use for blacks than do Mohammedans.
     
    We're talking, those of the "Y-chromosome" variety here, right?
  67. @Anonymous
    STL is a funny town, in a lot of ways. It's atypical of its state, being very Catholic with more than a smattering of Jews, a strong union town for many decades in an otherwise union-hostile state, and one in which most of its blue and white collar workers moved out to the County a long time ago. A lot of German culture with the Strassenfest, etc.

    There's also a surprising Scots-Irish, country western streak. The world steel guitar convention is held there.....

    St. Louis was founded by French Catholics and had a lot of German immigration in the 1800s and has a very prominent Jewish community. Southern Missouri is heavily Scotch-Irish originally from Appalachia and some of them drifted to the city.

  68. @eah
    OT

    Perhaps the most "ratioed" tweet I've ever seen -- remember: the UK has a nominally conservative (Tory) government.

    https://twitter.com/ukhomeoffice/status/1140662297863606272

    Attention Steve Sailer:

    How about using this map which claims to show the relative size of England and Wales and Scotland as compared to Africa in conjunction with your chart and graph that shows the African Population Explosion?

    I am not sure if this is right, but if it is, this comparison of the main British island and Africa is a shocker.

  69. @Steve Sailer
    After serving up Jack Clark's LCS winning homer in 1985, Niedenfuer was asked if he ever thought there was a chance the blast wouldn't leave the park: "Yeah, sure ... if it hit the Goodyear Blimp and dropped down on the field."

    Not sure if you’re interested in college baseball but the College World Series is being played this week in Omaha. It really is a great event with a number of interesting story lines. Today Louisville and Auburn play in an elimination game and Vandy plays Miss State in evening game. The kid pitching for Vandy, Kumar Rocker, threw a no hitter with 19 strikeouts against Duke last week in a regional game. He’s the son of Tracy Rocker who was one of the best linebackers in college football history and is now the defensive line coach for the UT Vols. I’m actually glad it flies under the radar as college baseball in general and the College World Series in particular are throwbacks to a different age in college athletics. If you don’t already, I would recommend watching a game or two. The early game today probably comes on at 12:00 PST. Grab a dog and a beer and enjoy.

    • Agree: Federalist
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    College baseball is pretty much in the sweetspot. Rice U. Owls baseball can attract about 3000 fans, especially if they have a Lance Berkman. That's about right balancing of sports and academics.
  70. @Captain Tripps
    Yes; as a Chicagoland native, I saw my first game in the daytime at Wrigley at a very young age (Banks, Williams, Santo prime), so Cubs fan (and taught to unlike the Cardinals), but I always admired St. Louis as a model franchise. That said, I was not a fan of the Whitey Herzog era of bunt-and-steal-let's manufacture-a-run. I kinda like this "three true outcomes" era because home runs are just fun to watch. As a kid, I grew up at the tail end of baseball as America's game, before the dominance of the NFL, so when school was over from Spring through Fall, as soon as I could I grabbed my mitt and ball and would play catch/fungo/pick-up games with my friends in the neighborhood. The Cardinals just seem to be able to find the guys who can do this when it counts:

    https://youtu.be/PZVCrKcOl78

    https://youtu.be/x4ptxMSM8Pc

    https://youtu.be/L4PB0XoLbm8

    https://youtu.be/KCG5krQPyXQ

    Niedenfuer was kind of a hard luck guy at the most inopportune time...

    That said, I was not a fan of the Whitey Herzog era of bunt-and-steal-let’s manufacture-a-run. I kinda like this “three true outcomes” era because home runs are just fun to watch.

    Eww, gross. Baseball is fun to watch. A game of nothing but the “three true outcomes” is not really baseball.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps

    Baseball is fun to watch.
     
    Absolutely; growing up playing and watching, its my "comfort" sport.

    A game of nothing but the “three true outcomes” is not really baseball.
     
    Agree, hence my caveat "kinda". A good pitchers' duel can be just as entertaining. Game 7 of the '91 Twins-Braves World Series was (to me) one of the Top 5 games ever played.
  71. @Reg Cæsar

    There was plenty of fucking that went down. Let’s see how many newborn girls are named Gloria 9 months from now.
     
    It was the wrong "Gloria", though, wasn't it? The one that produced a brain aneurysm in the singer.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3HGaJHhUJR4

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTtFsWy0Oc

    There’s also another song titled “Gloria” made by the band The Lumineers who’ll be part of theur upcoming 3rd album. Very different Gloria compared to the Gloria songs from Laura Brannigan and the Shadows of Knight.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lumineers

  72. @Walsh2
    Not sure if you're interested in college baseball but the College World Series is being played this week in Omaha. It really is a great event with a number of interesting story lines. Today Louisville and Auburn play in an elimination game and Vandy plays Miss State in evening game. The kid pitching for Vandy, Kumar Rocker, threw a no hitter with 19 strikeouts against Duke last week in a regional game. He's the son of Tracy Rocker who was one of the best linebackers in college football history and is now the defensive line coach for the UT Vols. I'm actually glad it flies under the radar as college baseball in general and the College World Series in particular are throwbacks to a different age in college athletics. If you don't already, I would recommend watching a game or two. The early game today probably comes on at 12:00 PST. Grab a dog and a beer and enjoy.

    College baseball is pretty much in the sweetspot. Rice U. Owls baseball can attract about 3000 fans, especially if they have a Lance Berkman. That’s about right balancing of sports and academics.

    • Replies: @Walsh2
    I agree. As an aside, the coach recently hired by Rice, Matt Bragga, came from right down the road. He took Tennessee Tech on a great run in the College World Series last year and then took the Rice job. He'll have Rice in the College World Series in the next 1/2 decade and they'll be perennial contenders after that. When they do make it to Omaha, you should consider going. It really is a great sports experience.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    My dentist pitched for Columbia.

    (I just had to say that. It might even be one of the reasons I've stayed with him. Great guy and excellent dentist.)
  73. @Captain Tripps

    find me a better logo
     
    Well, since you asked...

    https://i.imgur.com/0gYW7is.jpg

    https://securea.mlb.com/assets/images/1/6/8/107318168/cuts/banks_toi9x6as_1enpdfcn.jpg

    https://www.guideposts.org/sites/guideposts.org/files/styles/hero_box_left_lg/public/story/santo_marquee.jpg

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/jWWjAbF9CB6cGGzJLtYDd_Vn8GM=/0x607:2397x2205/1200x800/filters:focal(0x607:2397x2205)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/48563719/GettyImages-53011420.0.jpg

    Sorry. There is no question about the best logo in sports

    Designed personally by a real pioneer, Hayden Fry

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Sorry. There is no question about the best logo in sports
     
    https://shekicks.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/AS_roma-768x452.jpg
    , @Captain Tripps
    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1061/1924/products/Thumbs_Up_Hand_Sign_Emoji_large.png?v=1480481047
    , @Apollo
    Ahh, a fellow Iowan. I love the Hawks but try to stay away from Iowa City as much as I can.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    I despair sometimes of my fellow Iowans' mindless devotion to BigU sports, but I freely admit it's an excellent logo, especially in that gold and black color scheme.
  74. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    In all seriousness.

    I love hockey and all.

    But do we really need millions of men, be it white in St. Louis, or vibrant in Toronto, out jerking themselves off over what some sportsmen did? Don't these people have jobs and families? I saw the games on TV and in the bars just fine.

    I propose something else: a national fucking day to replace sportsball (or puck). Every white man spends the day with his wife and has sex, hopefully producing a white child.

    Celebrations, festivals etc are part of human psyche.

  75. @Captain Tripps

    find me a better logo
     
    Well, since you asked...

    https://i.imgur.com/0gYW7is.jpg

    https://securea.mlb.com/assets/images/1/6/8/107318168/cuts/banks_toi9x6as_1enpdfcn.jpg

    https://www.guideposts.org/sites/guideposts.org/files/styles/hero_box_left_lg/public/story/santo_marquee.jpg

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/jWWjAbF9CB6cGGzJLtYDd_Vn8GM=/0x607:2397x2205/1200x800/filters:focal(0x607:2397x2205)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/48563719/GettyImages-53011420.0.jpg

    The Cubs have a particular hold on liberals and cucks (like George Will). Something about really liking losers. Same goes for the pre-2000 Red Sox. Anytime you’d watch a documentary on baseball, there would be some dork in a bowtie waxing romantically about baseball and sure enough, its a Red Sox or Cubs fan.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps

    The Cubs have a particular hold on liberals and cucks (like George Will). Something about really liking losers.
     
    True. But a broken clock is right twice a day...in this case liberals and cucks are right only once (Cubs and Red Sox are entertaining franchises).
    , @Marty
    Abe Foxman, head of the ADL, was a Mets fan. Far as I know he didn't wear a bow tie, though Fred Wilpon did.
  76. @Steve Sailer
    College baseball is pretty much in the sweetspot. Rice U. Owls baseball can attract about 3000 fans, especially if they have a Lance Berkman. That's about right balancing of sports and academics.

    I agree. As an aside, the coach recently hired by Rice, Matt Bragga, came from right down the road. He took Tennessee Tech on a great run in the College World Series last year and then took the Rice job. He’ll have Rice in the College World Series in the next 1/2 decade and they’ll be perennial contenders after that. When they do make it to Omaha, you should consider going. It really is a great sports experience.

  77. @Steve Sailer
    St. Louis has been shrinking in population relative to the rest of the country since roughly the 1904 World's Fair. It's possibly America's best baseball city, but that's related in part to its lack of a basketball team and intermittent lack of an NFL team.

    It’s possibly America’s best baseball city, but that’s related in part to its lack of a basketball team and intermittent lack of an NFL team.

    Yes, but which way the causation?

    St Louis was baseball heaven before pro basketball even existed. And why would basketball fail and hockey succeed in such a black city? Football didn’t arrive till 1960.

    The city’s soccer legacy is fascinating, though it’s long been eclipsed. 24 teams in MLS, including one in Kansas, but none in St Louis. Or even Missouri. That’s like the National League without NYC, or the NHL without Toronto.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    And St. Louis had once 2 teams of baseball, the Cardinals and the Browns, who moved to the East Coast in the 1950s to become the Baltimore Orioles. The Browns only time who goes to the World Series was in 1944 against the Cardinals.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_World_Series
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6WrnmkxNJE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC_dpKONlhg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK9Ju0XHVf8
  78. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Sorry. There is no question about the best logo in sports

    Designed personally by a real pioneer, Hayden Fry

    https://campussports.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/iowalogo.jpg?quality=88&w=750
    http://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9781582613734_p0_v1_s1200x630.jpg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwoL_-O8pKc

    Sorry. There is no question about the best logo in sports

  79. @eah
    OT

    Perhaps the most "ratioed" tweet I've ever seen -- remember: the UK has a nominally conservative (Tory) government.

    https://twitter.com/ukhomeoffice/status/1140662297863606272

    “Resettlement” (in German: “Umsiedlung”) is generally meant to designate forced move of undesirables into the boondocks or near the desert where they can be regularly abused by Einsatztruppen, Chinese Megacorps. NATO aircraft, Israeli punitive expeditions, Chupacabras and other things.

    Here, it’s the reverse. OTOH, it’s just 5000.

    The UK will aim to resettle 5,000 refugees in 2020, Home Secretary Sajid Javid has announced.

    A new global resettlement scheme will come in to replace the vulnerable persons resettlement scheme and others, which have already helped 16,000 refugees since 2015.

    Announcing the plans at the start of World Refugee Week, Mr Javid said the new programme would broaden the geographical focus beyond the Middle East and north Africa, and be more responsive to emergencies.

    He said: “Since 2016, Britain has resettled more refugees from outside Europe than any other EU state – and it’s vital we continue to do all we can to help the world’s most vulnerable.

    “Under our new scheme, thousands more people fleeing conflict and persecution will have the opportunity to build a new life in the UK.

    I have said it before and I will say it again: is there anyone (even more than Obama) who looks more “suspiciously groomed for the diversity-imbued power position from an early age” than Sajid Javid?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “Resettlement” (in German: “Umsiedlung”)
     
    Are you sure it isn't Völkerwanderung?
  80. @Reg Cæsar

    Kansas City is sort of the anti- St Louis.
     
    Kansas City has Kansas City, Kansas. St Louis has East St Louis, Illinois.

    I have never seen anywhere like East St Louis.

    Makes you wonder if you should be wearing a dosimeter.

  81. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    In all seriousness.

    I love hockey and all.

    But do we really need millions of men, be it white in St. Louis, or vibrant in Toronto, out jerking themselves off over what some sportsmen did? Don't these people have jobs and families? I saw the games on TV and in the bars just fine.

    I propose something else: a national fucking day to replace sportsball (or puck). Every white man spends the day with his wife and has sex, hopefully producing a white child.

    Right on. And when grown men are wearing the jerseys of their favourite teams at work, you know you are dealing with rampant infantilism. My father was among the troops that liberated Holland in the Second World War–I’m glad he’s gone so he doesn’t have to witness what has become of his country and his city. During his working life, a professional wearing anything but a jacket and tie to work would have been unthinkable. You should hear the guys on the Toronto CBC “Metro Morning” radio show all but orgasmic over the Raptors . Stands to reason. The host is a weak little idiot who doesn’t have time for hockey (he probably finds the fierce body contact unsettling) and the sportscaster just wants to ingratiate himself with his superiors so he can get an anchor job some day.

  82. @Buzz Mohawk
    Gosh. Imagine what would happen if your city won the curling championship!

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/02/23/sports/23uscurling1/merlin_134401586_0944fb7b-6c34-4106-be0f-1d64f5f0d88d-superJumbo.jpg

    I don’t care enough to watch curling every winter, and still haven’t figured out the rules, but I watch curling every Winter Olympics. Not gonna lie, it is oddly mesmerizing

  83. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    A nation forges a new identity, coalescing around an alien sport - hockey.

    By: Abdul Jamal Agarwal

    Throngs of white people milled about in vibrant downtown St. Louis. Their reason for showing up? Not football. Instead, a new fever has taken hold of the hearts and minds of St. Louians.

    "When I see this hockey team, I think of America. I see faces that look like me. It's really something that shows whiteness being our strength.", said Earl John Smith, 37.

    Graham May, a 17 year old hockey player and aspiring country music artist, concurred: "I love what these guys represent. It's inspiring to me, that guys like Vladimir Tarasenko and Ivan Barbashev can come and show what it means to be an American. These are just guys that I really relate to."

    While Missouri has traditionally been known for football, ice hockey is exploding in popularity. The state is greatly enriched by the sport, and a new generation is growing up with a team that represents them. NHL mania is here to stay.

    Photo Credits: Gurpreet D'Wayne Jones

    On first reading I thought this was genuine “news”. It took me a moment to get the joke. Some people, judging by comments, haven’t gotten it yet – unless they are doing really, really deep irony.

  84. @anon
    There is no NBA team in St. Louis because the former owners of the ABA's St. Louis Spirits, Ozzie and Daniel Silna, had negotiated a deal in 1976 with the NBA according to which they owned the rights to any future NBA team in St. Louis. They also negotiated the rights to the NBA visual media in perpetuity which at the time was worth not that much, but since has amounted to at least $300M in pure profit. It's known as the greatest sports deal of all time.

    To say that the NBA and its owners have been unhappy about this for decades is like saying SJWs are slightly vexed with President Trump. It looks like the NBA negotiated a buyout of this deal for $500M a few years back. So, a cool $800M for doing almost nothing for 40+ years.

    Lots of iSteve themes in this story: the shrewd Silna brothers were "Latvian" immigrants (by way of Palestine) and despite making the greatest sports deal of all time, kept suing the NBA for more. Because of course they would. Despite their shrewdness, the Silnas got fleeced in the Bernie Madoff scam, possibly because they trusted another "Latvian". Ozzie lived out his later years in Malibu, where he was deeply involved in 'coastal conservation projects'. We can guess what that means in the Malibu context.

    One of the players the Silnas owned on the Spirits was Marvin "Bad News" Barnes who, among other things, attempted to rob a bus while wearing a state championship jacket with his name on it and attacked a teammate at Providence College with a tire iron. Another was NBA legend Moses Malone of the "fo', fo', fo'" fame.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2011/05/12/revisiting-the-greatest-sports-deal-of-all-time/#59a5f3636e4c

    You mentioned Marvin Barnes. A little anecdote from his Wikipedia entry:

    “Often the colorful personality, Barnes once refused to board a plane from Louisville to St. Louis. With the time zone difference, the flight actually arrived before the departure time. Barnes famously (and in all seriousness) said “I ain’t getting no damn time machine.” He rented a car instead. [4]”

    Colorful indeed.

  85. @R.G. Camara
    Blacks, as I've said before, are two things when it comes to sports: (1) front runners; and (2) glamour-hounds. They have no loyalty to a team, only to who's on top and who's got the flashiest players. The guy wearing all Lakers gear this year will switch to all-Raptors gear next year (at significant cost to his pay check) if the Lakers hit the skids and the Raptors win (as they did this year). Or the team with the flashiest player----I remember when Lebron hit it big when he first joined the league, guys on both coasts were sporting Cavs gear.

    Still, a black local population will show up for a front-running team if it comes to town to play the locals. The Hawks draw crowds whenever big names come in.

    “his pay check”?

  86. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    That said, I was not a fan of the Whitey Herzog era of bunt-and-steal-let’s manufacture-a-run. I kinda like this “three true outcomes” era because home runs are just fun to watch.

     

    Eww, gross. Baseball is fun to watch. A game of nothing but the "three true outcomes" is not really baseball.

    Baseball is fun to watch.

    Absolutely; growing up playing and watching, its my “comfort” sport.

    A game of nothing but the “three true outcomes” is not really baseball.

    Agree, hence my caveat “kinda”. A good pitchers’ duel can be just as entertaining. Game 7 of the ’91 Twins-Braves World Series was (to me) one of the Top 5 games ever played.

  87. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Sorry. There is no question about the best logo in sports

    Designed personally by a real pioneer, Hayden Fry

    https://campussports.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/iowalogo.jpg?quality=88&w=750
    http://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9781582613734_p0_v1_s1200x630.jpg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwoL_-O8pKc

  88. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s possibly America’s best baseball city, but that’s related in part to its lack of a basketball team and intermittent lack of an NFL team.
     
    Yes, but which way the causation?

    St Louis was baseball heaven before pro basketball even existed. And why would basketball fail and hockey succeed in such a black city? Football didn't arrive till 1960.

    The city's soccer legacy is fascinating, though it's long been eclipsed. 24 teams in MLS, including one in Kansas, but none in St Louis. Or even Missouri. That's like the National League without NYC, or the NHL without Toronto.

    And St. Louis had once 2 teams of baseball, the Cardinals and the Browns, who moved to the East Coast in the 1950s to become the Baltimore Orioles. The Browns only time who goes to the World Series was in 1944 against the Cardinals.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_World_Series

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    The Browns began as the Milwaukee Brewers. They had two St Louis natives on their roster-- and cruelly traded one right before the move south. They, not the Braves or Athletics, we're the first team to move a second time.

    The original Orioles were in the league at the same time. Today they're better known as the New York Yankees.

    Of the five cities with teams in both leagues, only Philadelphia never saw both finish first in the same season. Both Boston clubs were in first place at the end of the 1948 season, but so was Cleveland, and the Indians went to the Series instead of the Sox. After a real playoff.
  89. @William Badwhite
    The Cubs have a particular hold on liberals and cucks (like George Will). Something about really liking losers. Same goes for the pre-2000 Red Sox. Anytime you'd watch a documentary on baseball, there would be some dork in a bowtie waxing romantically about baseball and sure enough, its a Red Sox or Cubs fan.

    The Cubs have a particular hold on liberals and cucks (like George Will). Something about really liking losers.

    True. But a broken clock is right twice a day…in this case liberals and cucks are right only once (Cubs and Red Sox are entertaining franchises).

  90. @Steve Sailer
    After serving up Jack Clark's LCS winning homer in 1985, Niedenfuer was asked if he ever thought there was a chance the blast wouldn't leave the park: "Yeah, sure ... if it hit the Goodyear Blimp and dropped down on the field."

    Still not the best Dodger quote ever. That belongs to Pedro Guerrero. Asked what he thought about while playing 3rd base, he said:

    “First, I pray they don’t hit it to me. Second, I pray they don’t hit it to Sax.”

  91. @anon
    There is no NBA team in St. Louis because the former owners of the ABA's St. Louis Spirits, Ozzie and Daniel Silna, had negotiated a deal in 1976 with the NBA according to which they owned the rights to any future NBA team in St. Louis. They also negotiated the rights to the NBA visual media in perpetuity which at the time was worth not that much, but since has amounted to at least $300M in pure profit. It's known as the greatest sports deal of all time.

    To say that the NBA and its owners have been unhappy about this for decades is like saying SJWs are slightly vexed with President Trump. It looks like the NBA negotiated a buyout of this deal for $500M a few years back. So, a cool $800M for doing almost nothing for 40+ years.

    Lots of iSteve themes in this story: the shrewd Silna brothers were "Latvian" immigrants (by way of Palestine) and despite making the greatest sports deal of all time, kept suing the NBA for more. Because of course they would. Despite their shrewdness, the Silnas got fleeced in the Bernie Madoff scam, possibly because they trusted another "Latvian". Ozzie lived out his later years in Malibu, where he was deeply involved in 'coastal conservation projects'. We can guess what that means in the Malibu context.

    One of the players the Silnas owned on the Spirits was Marvin "Bad News" Barnes who, among other things, attempted to rob a bus while wearing a state championship jacket with his name on it and attacked a teammate at Providence College with a tire iron. Another was NBA legend Moses Malone of the "fo', fo', fo'" fame.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2011/05/12/revisiting-the-greatest-sports-deal-of-all-time/#59a5f3636e4c

    Not having an NBA team is a blessing. You should thank him for getting rich on the backs of billionaire league owners who agreed to an improvident contract, not by extorting local taxpayers for a free billion dollar stadium that might last less than 30 years.

  92. @Buzz Mohawk
    Gosh. Imagine what would happen if your city won the curling championship!

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/02/23/sports/23uscurling1/merlin_134401586_0944fb7b-6c34-4106-be0f-1d64f5f0d88d-superJumbo.jpg

    well germany won the curling world cup in 1938

  93. @KunioKun
    I predict at the precise moment that Blacks finally collectively "get it" and start to behave or at least appreciate their unique situation is going to be the moment that the rest of the world decides they have had enough of their shit. Life is just ironic like that.

    Blacks get to “appreciate their unique situation” as “deserving” of “reparations” live at 10 AM June 19th. Tune in and enjoy the intellect of (among others TN Coates and Danny Glover) and the political comedy of Democrat Sheila Jackson Lee.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?461767-1/danny-glover-ta-nehisi-coates-testify-slavery-reparations

  94. @Captain Tripps
    Yes; as a Chicagoland native, I saw my first game in the daytime at Wrigley at a very young age (Banks, Williams, Santo prime), so Cubs fan (and taught to unlike the Cardinals), but I always admired St. Louis as a model franchise. That said, I was not a fan of the Whitey Herzog era of bunt-and-steal-let's manufacture-a-run. I kinda like this "three true outcomes" era because home runs are just fun to watch. As a kid, I grew up at the tail end of baseball as America's game, before the dominance of the NFL, so when school was over from Spring through Fall, as soon as I could I grabbed my mitt and ball and would play catch/fungo/pick-up games with my friends in the neighborhood. The Cardinals just seem to be able to find the guys who can do this when it counts:

    https://youtu.be/PZVCrKcOl78

    https://youtu.be/x4ptxMSM8Pc

    https://youtu.be/L4PB0XoLbm8

    https://youtu.be/KCG5krQPyXQ

    Niedenfuer was kind of a hard luck guy at the most inopportune time...

    The only year the Cards won it all under Herzog, ’82, they were last in the league in home runs with 67. The Braves, the team they beat in the playoffs, led the league with 146.

  95. @William Badwhite
    The Cubs have a particular hold on liberals and cucks (like George Will). Something about really liking losers. Same goes for the pre-2000 Red Sox. Anytime you'd watch a documentary on baseball, there would be some dork in a bowtie waxing romantically about baseball and sure enough, its a Red Sox or Cubs fan.

    Abe Foxman, head of the ADL, was a Mets fan. Far as I know he didn’t wear a bow tie, though Fred Wilpon did.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Isn't a Brooklyn/Queens thing? Anyway I don't think of Foxman as a cuck, rather he's a slanderous, ethno-centric asshole.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Abe Foxman, head of the ADL, was a Mets fan. Far as I know he didn’t wear a bow tie, though Fred Wilpon did.
     
    Meir Kahane was a Yankees man.
  96. @anon
    There is no NBA team in St. Louis because the former owners of the ABA's St. Louis Spirits, Ozzie and Daniel Silna, had negotiated a deal in 1976 with the NBA according to which they owned the rights to any future NBA team in St. Louis. They also negotiated the rights to the NBA visual media in perpetuity which at the time was worth not that much, but since has amounted to at least $300M in pure profit. It's known as the greatest sports deal of all time.

    To say that the NBA and its owners have been unhappy about this for decades is like saying SJWs are slightly vexed with President Trump. It looks like the NBA negotiated a buyout of this deal for $500M a few years back. So, a cool $800M for doing almost nothing for 40+ years.

    Lots of iSteve themes in this story: the shrewd Silna brothers were "Latvian" immigrants (by way of Palestine) and despite making the greatest sports deal of all time, kept suing the NBA for more. Because of course they would. Despite their shrewdness, the Silnas got fleeced in the Bernie Madoff scam, possibly because they trusted another "Latvian". Ozzie lived out his later years in Malibu, where he was deeply involved in 'coastal conservation projects'. We can guess what that means in the Malibu context.

    One of the players the Silnas owned on the Spirits was Marvin "Bad News" Barnes who, among other things, attempted to rob a bus while wearing a state championship jacket with his name on it and attacked a teammate at Providence College with a tire iron. Another was NBA legend Moses Malone of the "fo', fo', fo'" fame.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2011/05/12/revisiting-the-greatest-sports-deal-of-all-time/#59a5f3636e4c

    Wasn’t there a story about Barnes that he refused to board the team flight from an eastern time zone city (Louisville?) back to central time zone St. Louis, because he noticed that the arrival time was earlier than the departure time? “I ain’t getting into no m— f—- time machine!”
    I think Bob Costas, who was the Spirits’ play by play man, told this story

  97. So a 48% black city is safer than a 9% black city?

    Who couldn’t have told you that?

  98. @Jake
    Latvian Jews have a long reputation for being more Jewish than most Jews in terms of being lying cheats who would sell their own granny to make another buck. There is a long tradition of Latvian Lutheran willingness to help Germanic attempts to rule as much of eastern Europe as they wish.

    No wonder the Modern PC West romanticizes Latvia as an innocent.

    Now I understand why Seinfeld chose “Latvia Orthodoxy” as a stand-in to mock the Greeks of Astoria.

  99. @Jake
    Historically, non-Negro Mohammedans castrate virtually all blacks that hint at causing trouble. If Whitey loses power to protect the Numinous Negro, which will happen if demographic changes are not halted and reversed, Mohammedans will again start snipping.

    And the Chinese have much less use for blacks than do Mohammedans.

    Historically, non-Negro Mohammedans castrate virtually all blacks that hint at causing trouble. If Whitey loses power to protect the Numinous Negro, which will happen if demographic changes are not halted and reversed, Mohammedans will again start snipping.

    Not only that, Arab Muslims, while launching the trans-Atlantic slave trade in black flesh by going into the interior of Africa as the first non-native visitors, buying captured blacks from conquering black tribes and marching them west to the Atlantic coast (the door of no return) for shipment aboard Jew finances slave vessels, also marched an estimated one hundred million black slaves across the dessert back to Arabia.

    So no community of descendants of black Africa in Arabia today when only a small fraction were taken west for shipment to the New World where black descendants have lived for hundreds of years to this day?

    Because all the male black slaves were castrated by the Arab Muslims before the march to Arabia began and all the offspring of Arab slavers by black concubines were aborted or murdered at birth.

  100. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    In all seriousness.

    I love hockey and all.

    But do we really need millions of men, be it white in St. Louis, or vibrant in Toronto, out jerking themselves off over what some sportsmen did? Don't these people have jobs and families? I saw the games on TV and in the bars just fine.

    I propose something else: a national fucking day to replace sportsball (or puck). Every white man spends the day with his wife and has sex, hopefully producing a white child.

    I propose something else: a national fucking day to replace sportsball (or puck). Every white man spends the day with his wife and has sex, hopefully producing a white child.

    We already have that celebration; it’s called “marriage.”

  101. What kills me about all these celebrations is, “We won! We did it!”
    Spare me. You didn’t win anything. You sat in front of a TV, drinking beer and eating pork rinds.

  102. @Marty T
    Ok but let's be real, plenty of moron (white) hockey fans out there. Just see the video of all the drunk Mass holes pummeling each other in the stands while their team was losing to the blues.

  103. @R.G. Camara
    Tangentially: I've long wondered why St. Louis, which has a decently-sized black population in the metro area, hasn't fielded an NBA team since the Hawks left town in the 1960s. The ABA briefly gave them a team for two years in the 70s, but that didn't survive the merger. And I've never heard any noise about giving them another.

    Heck, taking blacks out of the equation,whites stupidly go in droves to the NBA. The town is a good sports town, many guys like playing there for the Cardinals and the Blues, sort of a relaxed atmosphere with knowledgeable fans. Like a laid-back Boston or Philadelphia. ( I recall St. Lous and Minnesota being two baseball franchises many name players would opt to play for later in their careers, likely because of similar laid-back but intelligent, interested fan bases).

    Heck, the town is large enough for a HUGE baseball team (the Cardinals), so a basketball team should fit in, population wise. (usually, MLB baseball teams require a larger populations than NBA basketball or NHL hockey, which have smaller capacity arenas, play half as many games, and draw less viewership).

    Given how stable the Blues have been in remaining in the city, basketball should work. Curious.

    Tangentially: I’ve long wondered why St. Louis, which has a decently-sized black population in the metro area, hasn’t fielded an NBA team since the Hawks left town in the 1960s.

    …Because St. Louis has a decently-sized black population in the metro area. Black people love the NBA, on TV. We don’t want to pay $300 to watch that shit.

    Atlanta’s been the worst NBA city for 20 years. The best are WASPy whitopias such as Portland, Utah and Oklahoma City.

  104. @Jake
    Historically, non-Negro Mohammedans castrate virtually all blacks that hint at causing trouble. If Whitey loses power to protect the Numinous Negro, which will happen if demographic changes are not halted and reversed, Mohammedans will again start snipping.

    And the Chinese have much less use for blacks than do Mohammedans.

    …Thank you, year 1067 AD.

    Are you planning on staying long?

  105. @Jake
    Historically, non-Negro Mohammedans castrate virtually all blacks that hint at causing trouble. If Whitey loses power to protect the Numinous Negro, which will happen if demographic changes are not halted and reversed, Mohammedans will again start snipping.

    And the Chinese have much less use for blacks than do Mohammedans.

    And the Chinese have much less use for blacks than do Mohammedans.

    We’re talking, those of the “Y-chromosome” variety here, right?

  106. @Captain Tripps
    Yes; as a Chicagoland native, I saw my first game in the daytime at Wrigley at a very young age (Banks, Williams, Santo prime), so Cubs fan (and taught to unlike the Cardinals), but I always admired St. Louis as a model franchise. That said, I was not a fan of the Whitey Herzog era of bunt-and-steal-let's manufacture-a-run. I kinda like this "three true outcomes" era because home runs are just fun to watch. As a kid, I grew up at the tail end of baseball as America's game, before the dominance of the NFL, so when school was over from Spring through Fall, as soon as I could I grabbed my mitt and ball and would play catch/fungo/pick-up games with my friends in the neighborhood. The Cardinals just seem to be able to find the guys who can do this when it counts:

    https://youtu.be/PZVCrKcOl78

    https://youtu.be/x4ptxMSM8Pc

    https://youtu.be/L4PB0XoLbm8

    https://youtu.be/KCG5krQPyXQ

    Niedenfuer was kind of a hard luck guy at the most inopportune time...

    Yes; as a Chicagoland native, I saw my first game in the daytime at Wrigley at a very young age (Banks, Williams, Santo prime)

    I watched a lot of Mets games on TV in the same era, and got the idea that Wrigley was the best ballpark in the world. It’s good, yes. But imagine my surprise when I finally made it there over a weekend to find it wasn’t even the best ballpark in Chicago.

    You had to go to Comiskey to learn that, though. It was less telegenic than Wrigley or Fenway, or even Jarry. Yankee viewers wouldn’t have picked up on that.

  107. @Marty
    Abe Foxman, head of the ADL, was a Mets fan. Far as I know he didn't wear a bow tie, though Fred Wilpon did.

    Isn’t a Brooklyn/Queens thing? Anyway I don’t think of Foxman as a cuck, rather he’s a slanderous, ethno-centric asshole.

  108. @Marty
    Abe Foxman, head of the ADL, was a Mets fan. Far as I know he didn't wear a bow tie, though Fred Wilpon did.

    Abe Foxman, head of the ADL, was a Mets fan. Far as I know he didn’t wear a bow tie, though Fred Wilpon did.

    Meir Kahane was a Yankees man.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Kahane is well worth reading for WN/WP types.
  109. @eah
    OT

    Tweet from 'CBS This Morning' -- about a police encounter in Phoenix (the family is suing for $10m) -- read down to see the replies, ie how many people fully buy the 'narrative' of the incident that CBS is selling (of course the civilians in the "encounter" are black, as are the CBS people covering it).

    Police report on the incident -- compare/contrast.

    This is how the media operates: they gin up faux outrage among SJWs based on race and selective reporting of half-truths (if not outright falsehoods) -- and they do it again and again.

    eah:

    The black narrative on these and other stories is also being pushed by the Daily Mail. Has this been a recent occurrence with Editor Dacre’s departure?

  110. @Buzz Mohawk
    You're missing the point. Now that Canada has relieved us of baseket ball, with hockey we of the hysterical American nation can learn to swagger (peacefully) again. We the South!

    We The South, in Order to make our sports Union more perfect again, yada yada, and to secure the Blessings of professional sports to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish Hockey as the Sport for the United States of America.

    Quebec –> Denver.
    Winnipeg –> Phoenix
    Toronto –> Birmingham (!), 1976

    On the other hand,

    Atlanta –> Calgary
    Atlanta –> Winnipeg

  111. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    There is just too much good content in this clown world. Steve could be posting every single hour with new Globohomo nonsense that is going on.

    You mean he isn’t?

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  112. @Steve Sailer
    College baseball is pretty much in the sweetspot. Rice U. Owls baseball can attract about 3000 fans, especially if they have a Lance Berkman. That's about right balancing of sports and academics.

    My dentist pitched for Columbia.

    (I just had to say that. It might even be one of the reasons I’ve stayed with him. Great guy and excellent dentist.)

  113. @Hrw-500
    And St. Louis had once 2 teams of baseball, the Cardinals and the Browns, who moved to the East Coast in the 1950s to become the Baltimore Orioles. The Browns only time who goes to the World Series was in 1944 against the Cardinals.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_World_Series
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6WrnmkxNJE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC_dpKONlhg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK9Ju0XHVf8

    The Browns began as the Milwaukee Brewers. They had two St Louis natives on their roster– and cruelly traded one right before the move south. They, not the Braves or Athletics, we’re the first team to move a second time.

    The original Orioles were in the league at the same time. Today they’re better known as the New York Yankees.

    Of the five cities with teams in both leagues, only Philadelphia never saw both finish first in the same season. Both Boston clubs were in first place at the end of the 1948 season, but so was Cleveland, and the Indians went to the Series instead of the Sox. After a real playoff.

  114. @Haole
    globo homo culture, sports teams with players from anywhere but usually from groups with a genetic advantage representing the "local" team. The team is owned by some rich guy who could also be from anywhere. Sad, I cant get worked up over this, Pepsi versus Coke.

    globo homo culture, sports teams with players from anywhere but usually from groups with a genetic advantage representing the “local” team. The team is owned by some rich guy who could also be from anywhere. Sad, I cant get worked up over this, Pepsi versus Coke.

    Agree.

    Pathetic is the word. And especially pathetic because the whole “our team” thing is rooted in the idea of tribe. Yet, this sportsball culture is flourishin in an era where we can’t even do Tribe101 and defend our borders. One might quite reasonably think “psychological replacement”.

    I read these stories and little snippets like this catch my eye:

    Cody Fulkerson and Amanda Grellner woke up at 5:30 a.m. to drive from their home in Linn, Mo., near Jefferson City. Fulkerson said he couldn’t have envisioned this ending to the season, especially with the Blues mired in the NHL cellar in early January.
    “It’s a great story,” he said. “Even for young kids: Don’t give up.”
    “The energy is incredible,” said Grellner, 47. “It’s something that can bring people from all walks of life together. … For St. Louis, I think that’s something we need.” …

    Popping for me …
    — She hasn’t taken his last name. Not–guessing–a real family.
    — No mention of them having kids.
    — Lame mention of kids. Kids don’t need lame-ass sports analogies to pick up positive life lessons.
    — Greller is 47.

    Reeks of childless white couple–probably together after some busted relationships/marriages–putting energy into a completely masturbatory useless outlet–an NHL hockey team.

  115. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    In all seriousness.

    I love hockey and all.

    But do we really need millions of men, be it white in St. Louis, or vibrant in Toronto, out jerking themselves off over what some sportsmen did? Don't these people have jobs and families? I saw the games on TV and in the bars just fine.

    I propose something else: a national fucking day to replace sportsball (or puck). Every white man spends the day with his wife and has sex, hopefully producing a white child.

    I propose something else: a national fucking day to replace sportsball (or puck). Every white man spends the day with his wife and has sex, hopefully producing a white child.

    Agree with the thrust of your argument here.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    I propose something else: a national fucking day to replace sportsball (or puck).
    Agree with the thrust of your argument here.

    Thrust, heh.
  116. @Reg Cæsar

    There was plenty of fucking that went down. Let’s see how many newborn girls are named Gloria 9 months from now.
     
    It was the wrong "Gloria", though, wasn't it? The one that produced a brain aneurysm in the singer.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3HGaJHhUJR4

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTtFsWy0Oc

    Thanks RC for posting the video of Laura singing “Gloria.” That woman’s sexy moves while singing could stir the blood of even an old man like me. I just looked at another video of Laura on You Tube by Yukon Video of her singing “Gloria.” Same fantastic moves but a different background featuring many changes of attire including a short skirt.

  117. @KunioKun
    I predict at the precise moment that Blacks finally collectively "get it" and start to behave or at least appreciate their unique situation is going to be the moment that the rest of the world decides they have had enough of their shit. Life is just ironic like that.

    Haha honestly you may be onto something.

    I sense that *some* blacks are *kind of* taking a good look at themselves and their culture… it’s not much but it’s a start.

  118. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Sorry. There is no question about the best logo in sports

    Designed personally by a real pioneer, Hayden Fry

    https://campussports.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/iowalogo.jpg?quality=88&w=750
    http://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9781582613734_p0_v1_s1200x630.jpg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwoL_-O8pKc

    Ahh, a fellow Iowan. I love the Hawks but try to stay away from Iowa City as much as I can.

  119. @El Dato
    "Resettlement" (in German: "Umsiedlung") is generally meant to designate forced move of undesirables into the boondocks or near the desert where they can be regularly abused by Einsatztruppen, Chinese Megacorps. NATO aircraft, Israeli punitive expeditions, Chupacabras and other things.

    Here, it's the reverse. OTOH, it's just 5000.

    The UK will aim to resettle 5,000 refugees in 2020, Home Secretary Sajid Javid has announced.

    A new global resettlement scheme will come in to replace the vulnerable persons resettlement scheme and others, which have already helped 16,000 refugees since 2015.

    Announcing the plans at the start of World Refugee Week, Mr Javid said the new programme would broaden the geographical focus beyond the Middle East and north Africa, and be more responsive to emergencies.

    He said: “Since 2016, Britain has resettled more refugees from outside Europe than any other EU state – and it’s vital we continue to do all we can to help the world’s most vulnerable.

    “Under our new scheme, thousands more people fleeing conflict and persecution will have the opportunity to build a new life in the UK.
     
    I have said it before and I will say it again: is there anyone (even more than Obama) who looks more "suspiciously groomed for the diversity-imbued power position from an early age" than Sajid Javid?

    “Resettlement” (in German: “Umsiedlung”)

    Are you sure it isn’t Völkerwanderung?

  120. @AnotherDad

    I propose something else: a national fucking day to replace sportsball (or puck). Every white man spends the day with his wife and has sex, hopefully producing a white child.
     
    Agree with the thrust of your argument here.

    I propose something else: a national fucking day to replace sportsball (or puck).
    Agree with the thrust of your argument here.

    Thrust, heh.

  121. @eah
    Oh and this is an actual tweet from a young black woman:

    https://twitter.com/Cripperella/status/1140287066137354240

    If that tweet is not a parody, then it’s one of the saddest and most scathing indictments of contemporary US culture I’ve seen. It’s not just the moral vacuum implied — it’s the complete and unselfconscious lack of agency.

  122. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Abe Foxman, head of the ADL, was a Mets fan. Far as I know he didn’t wear a bow tie, though Fred Wilpon did.
     
    Meir Kahane was a Yankees man.

    Kahane is well worth reading for WN/WP types.

  123. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Sorry. There is no question about the best logo in sports

    Designed personally by a real pioneer, Hayden Fry

    https://campussports.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/iowalogo.jpg?quality=88&w=750
    http://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9781582613734_p0_v1_s1200x630.jpg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwoL_-O8pKc

    I despair sometimes of my fellow Iowans’ mindless devotion to BigU sports, but I freely admit it’s an excellent logo, especially in that gold and black color scheme.

  124. @Name
    What about the Vancouver riots? Who did those?

    “What about the Vancouver riots? Who did those?”

    A mix of whites, pajeets and some east asians.

    You’ll notice that no one was shot, unlike in the Raptors celebration in Toronto.

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