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British historian Mary Beard looked askance upon my snark:https://twitter.com/wmarybeard/status/1120949207408545797

Perhaps the keynote address on “The Challenges of Whiteness” at the Laundry Detergent and Bleach Chemists Convention?

 
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  1. dearieme says:

    Two comments on La Beard.

    (i) My wife met her on a train once and found her pleasant to chat to.

    (ii) Every time we try to watch one of her shows on the telly we have to switch it off. Twee, slow, PC, shallow, and generally self-indulgent. Is this what telly does to otherwise unremarkable people?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Hibernian
    , @J.Ross
  2. El Dato says:

    issues in study of the ancient world, from colour of ancient statues to presence of people of colour in Roman Britain

    Possibly Senegales, demanding an increase in immigration quotas, threatening to put fire to chariots.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @dr kill
    , @Escher
  3. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    Ritual denunciations of ‘whites’ especially ‘white male’s are today’s shibboleth for being a ‘good’ person.

    An inverse ‘benediction’ of sorts. Curiously, a benediction which allows the maker to experience the ecstasy of disavowal by dumping on others, others less fortunate than themselves.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  4. Don’t worry, Steve.
    In less than a 100 years , a vast majority Britons, great or not will have either Sub Saharan or South Asian ancestry. Non white immigration to Britain will continue to increase.
    White girls in Britain love black guys and White men of Britain love Asian girls.
    Look around in streets of any British city and you will now what I mean.
    A lot of miscegenation is already going on and it is a good thing as it prevents inbreeding and it strengthens the British society.
    In fact, Prince William already has South Asian ancestry through Diana’s ancestors.
    Racists will never withstand this tide of color and tide of time.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  5. Nothing can stop the increase of non white immigration to Britain and in a few years Ethnic Brits will be a minority. Its a good thing.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
  6. I remember from being at university that the female Classicists were the ugliest out of any subject. I still haven’t worked out why.

  7. KunioKun says:

    Whiteness in laundry:

  8. Hey, Steve, good going. Nice to see you fight with the gloves off.

  9. She is of course correct. Whatever she says, however racist, will not “count as racism.” For she (and her type) does the counting.

  10. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:

    Real science is proving that the 19th century theories about European Aryans are closer to the truth.
    As for Afro-Europeans, this is less about the past than the future. People like Beard worship blackness(if only as symbols of anti-racism) and will seek out any rationale to push for the Africanization of Europe as both penitence and liberation.

  11. Steve Sailer is oh so good and he’s oh so fine and he’s oh so civilized to a disgustingly rancid baby boomer academic who has lost her frigging mind!

    Mary Beard and Hillary Clinton and Lizzy Borden Warren and the rest of the mentally deranged baby boomer harpies are demonic bastards who must be stopped and kept in check.

    Mr. Reasonable — Steve Sailer — thinks you can reason with these wild-eyed female nation-wreckers!

    You can’t, DAMMIT!

    The Pewitt for president campaign proudly and patriotically pledges to put the baby boomer harpies and the baby boomer menfolk scum such as George W Bush and Bill Clinton in check.

    I am practical and patriotic and Steve Sailer is in some pipe dream somewhere where he thinks he can be reasonable with some filthy nutcake baby boomer harridan such as Mary Beard! Nonsense!

    Attention all decent people born after 1965: You can’t reason with these baby boomer bastards — male or female!

  12. The woman in question had been brought up in Britain, or the near continent. One of her parents may have been North African. That’s the conclusion from a history website associated with the University of Reading, even if their facial reconstruction does try to insinuate she was black.

    https://www.ourmigrationstory.org.uk/oms/roman-britain-the-ivory-bangle-lady

    Beard woman, you must do better.

    PS, I’d much rather it was Me and Bobby Mcgee

  13. The York Bangle Woman was brought up in Britain or the near continent. She may have had a North African parent. Such is the conclusion of a history website associated with the University of Reading, even if a facial reconstruction does insinuate that she was black.

    https://www.ourmigrationstory.org.uk/oms/roman-britain-the-ivory-bangle-lady

    Beard woman, you must do better.

    PS, I’d much rather it were Me and Bobby McGee

  14. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    For your readers who may be unfamiliar with her:

  15. Mary Beard gets props for this:

    In 2019, Beard appeared in an episode of The Grand Tour having dinner with host James May.

    Let’s see if she lives up to it.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  16. Cortes says:

    Classic.

    Here’s a British classic in the struggle for hearts and minds:

  17. Me and, me and Mary Beard, Mary Beard, Mary Beard…

    • LOL: Kylie
  18. Mary Beard is a third-rate classicist. I challenge anyone to point to any passage in any of her writings that adds to knowledge by pointing out something overlooked and how it explains something else. That’s scholarship. A search in scholar.google.com reports that she has apparently never published a refereed paper. She does books. She has a number of papers in books covering a unified topic but those papers are solicited by the editors of said book from their professional friends. Such papers are not double-blind refereed.

  19. carol says:

    OT: Meanwhile, in Baltimore,

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-desousa-sentencing-20190328-story.html

    De Sousa had pleaded guilty to three counts of failing to file federal tax returns. He also admitted to deliberately claiming tax deductions for a house he didn’t own, a business he didn’t run and job expenses he didn’t incur.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  20. Steve, you should ask Mary how, if race is a social construct, anthropologists can tell a skeleton was a black?

    Also, from a quick google it appears people believe lady bangle was north african anyway lol.

  21. Mary Beard is a hippy Lady Bountiful who gives away other people’s cultural inheritance because that’s what’s socially and financially rewarded. She likely has never stopped to wonder why high finance capitalists like it when she says Airstrip One never really belonged to anyone anyway, so fill ‘er up!

  22. One of the speakers at Evergreen State’s commencement actually refered to whites as “tall trees” – the same phrase used by Radio Mille Collines for Tutsis. Broadcasts urging Hutus to “cut down the tall trees” triggered the Rwandan genocide.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  23. @Buzz Mohawk

    So the gods of Google didn’t allow me to show you James May, but here is something from their cousin, YouTube:

  24. Whiskey says: • Website

    Mary Beard is typical of White women like JK Rowling.

    Consumed by hate for White men and love of gays, non Whites etc. Anything to bash the White men around them.

    Good for you Steve.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  25. ic1000 says:

    > Which Brits buried in Westminster Abbey would prove to be 1/32 or greater sub-Saharan?

    In the spirit of Elizabeth Warren, why stop at 1/32?

    And why restrict to sub-Saharan? Throw in North African, Middle East, Anatolia, Caucasus, Russia.

    And broaden from Westminster Abbey to all graves.

    As Mary Beard has shown, you can find a few skeletons with exotic lineages, especially if you look prior to the Dark Ages, in Roman Britain. And more recent multi-ethnic scenarios are plausible, e.g. Crusaders coming back from Jerusalem with war brides.

    For any given year, what percentage of the population, at say great-great-great-great-great grandparent (1/128)? 1%? 0.1%?

    Dr. Beard is very coy.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Toddy Cat
  26. Mr. Anon says:

    What is she trying to prove in saying that there was an African in Roman Britain? The Romans practiced slavery. They transported some number of people all over the World. Caligula had a private bodyguard of Germans. Some of them probably lived out their lives and died in Rome. That doesn’t prove that Germans had “always been in Rome” – in fact, a mere century before that or even less, Germans were completely unkown in Rome.

    Beard hints at some kind of historical multi-racial Britain. Did she ever entertain such ideas 35 years ago, when she was an up-and-coming classics scholar? Probably not. Because nobody did. And nobody felt compelled to do so by the then contemporary orthodoxy.

    • Replies: @anon
  27. Mr. Anon says:

    OT:

    Kushner to present immigration plan to Trump soon

    Gosh, I can hardly wait. This will be the answer to all our prayers.

  28. Weren’t the Romans invaders? Why are we celebrating their presence? This is like claiming that gentiles lived in Jerusalem almost 2000 years ago and therefore Israel should allow anyone to immigrate there.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  29. Anon[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Because Carthage/MENA was scarcely different from Rome in those days. There is nothing very remarkable about Carthaginians traveling throughout the Roman Empire.

    I read the links. They are practicing leftist sleight of hand of conflating SSA with MENA. They keep on using the vague term, “Africa,” without specifying further.

    We see the picture, and we know we’re being lied to. That’s why it is offputting. People don’t like to be lied to. Why should they care? Why promote this? If two individuals want to do that, then fine. But promoting it is very, very, very weird and sinister.

    As soon as you see a leftist communicate, look for the lie. The lie here is conflating NA with SSA, as conveyed by the picture. These people are evil. They can be very intelligent and learned, but their intelligence is always put to evil ends. They are anti-God and anti-nature. Otherwise they wouldn’t be leftists.

    • Replies: @Anon
  30. AndrewR says:

    Not relevant to medieval or ancient Britain, but the second-in-line to the English throne is apparently matrilineally descended from Indians

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2013/06/prince-william-may-have-little-to-no-indian-ancestry/#.XMB9fWgpA0M

  31. istevefan says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Mary Beard is right, Roman Britain was multi-ethnic – so why does this upset people so much?

    First, I like how they use the term multi-ethnic when we know they really mean multi-racial. Is there anyone who doesn’t know that Britain was inhabited by too many to mention European ethnic groups? Ditto for Europe as a whole. No one disputes that Britain or Europe are, or have been multi-ethnic.

    Second, we are not upset that Roman Britain was multi-ethnic. As noted above, we know that Britain and Europe are, and have been multi-ethnic. We are upset that you are literally rewriting our history before our eyes thinking you can get away with it.

    Third, the people who are upset are not traditionalists who cannot accept Roman Britain, but left wing modernists who can not accept that Europe and Britain are not multi-racial. For it is they who see Europe as one, White monolithic group and demand that it be diversified. They look at Poland or Hungary and sputter that they are too White. They can not accept that Europeans are already multi-ethnic and have been that way for thousands of years.

    • Agree: slumber_j
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  32. Anon[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    * Carthaginians – more likely Roman soldiers who had served in NA, and various NA traders. Doesn’t seem weird at all they would be part of the cultural flow.

  33. notanon says:

    the Romans left – so even if Roman towns were diverse it didn’t change the genetics of Britain.

    it’s like the British in India – almost zero genetic impact.

    PC is incompatible with the truth.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  34. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:

    Taleb on his Mary Beard battle. Expect fallout, Sailer.

    Nassim Taleb: Something is Broken in the UK Intellectual Sphere

    https://medium.com/east-med-project-history-philology-and-genetics/something-is-broken-in-the-uk-intellectual-sphere-7efc9a1f154a

  35. @istevefan

    “Europeans are already multi-ethnic “

    Just take the multi-ethnic and multi-national Brits, who fought pretty well as a group in two world wars, but had a long history of fighting each other off and on – as well as having some pretty diverse cultures.

    You’d never mistake this lot, invading Manchester from North of the Border along with 150,000 others in 2008, for Home Counties chaps.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  36. Lot says:

    The ONLY evidence this one woman had “North African” ancestry was her skull measurements! There was no gene analysis.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory_Bangle_Lady

    Ask Mary Beard how accurate skull measurements can determine ethnicity and skin color!

    • Agree: Gordo
  37. Lot says:
    @ic1000

    “As Mary Beard has shown, you can find a few skeletons with exotic lineages”

    See my prior comment, she didn’t even find that. Zero evidence of blacks living in Roman Britain. Beard is a PC fraud, a knowing liar.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    , @ic1000
  38. I’m talking about a wide range of issues in study of the ancient world, from colour of ancient statues to presence of people of colour in Roman Britain…and what white supremacist groups find in classical world (& other historical societies). So I doubt it counts as hate speech.

    You should have explained to her that “white supremacist” is itself hate speech.

  39. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    Neo Gouldian racis !

  40. Gosh all these blokes (?) with probably misleadingly violent Twitter names (Yung Tesla, the destroyer… ??) piling in after spotting I am talking about whiteness in one of my @GiffordLectures have given me some brilliant material for that self same lecture. Thanks gentlemen!— mary beard (@wmarybeard) April 24, 2019

    Who wants to know about boring things like Roman history when you could be finding out about the much more interesting subject of Mary Beard’s twitter interactions?

    Same principle applies to Donna’s magazine; 21st racial century politics are much sexier than who the emperor was in 257AD.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  41. Lot says:
    @Lot

    Mary Beard: “no.. but there is clear skeletal evidence for sub-saharan origins in RB. See York Bangle lady for a start. That’s all I am saying on this now.. lecture to write!”

    Clear skeletal evidence of SSAs in Roman Britain = one single skull ratio measurement on one single skulk that resembles a caucasian north african reference population.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
  42. @Lot

    The wikipedia page says that her skull was similar to that of American black women. But then, they are not particularly black. It’s a shame they didn’t (couldn’t?) do a genetic analysis.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    , @Lot
    , @guest
  43. @Lot

    Isn’t there something in Africa called the Sahara? Like, how exactly would Sub-Saharan Africans crossed a few thousand miles of desert, and then crossed the Mediterranean, and then through Western Europe due North all the way to GB? How exactly did they make this time consuming trek, and for what?

    Question: Why all of a recent sudden, is it so important for these classicists to insist that GB thousands of years ago was multi-racial? Why can’t they accept the established historical fact that GB and almost all of Western Europe was basically all white (mono-racial), while being multi-ethnic? Why’s that such a problem for them?

    After all, if one were to insist that ancient China thousands of years ago was mono-racial (no Sub-Saharans in China thousands of years ago) these people wouldn’t put up an argument to the contrary, they’d nod their heads in agreement. Same with Sub-Saharan Africa. If there were no whites in Sub-Saharan Africa thousands of years ago, then that makes the point that there were no blacks in Europe, period. After all, how would they have gotten there?

    Unless she’s heavily relying upon the slavery angle, but that assumes that every single European culture participated in slaves, AND that the prototypical slavery model, namely, today’s North Atlantic Slave culture, was similar to the slavery in the ancient world (which for the most part, it was not. No sugar or cotton crops in ancient world used Sub-Saharan slaves, Ancient world slaves permitted their slaves to read and write and perform multiple tasks aside from manual labor, etc.)

    Unless there’s an ulterior motive on the classicists’s part it doesn’t add up, it makes no sense to re-write and re-wash established history into a darker hue.

  44. @Curious Person

    Publius Licinius Valerianus Augustus. And, he wasn’t black either.

  45. Gordo says:

    It’s okay to be White Mary!

  46. @Curious Person

    The way Beard and others of her ilk orgasmically carry on about finding Sub-Saharans in Roman Britian reminds one of the Piltdown Man fraud of early last century. Very similar in the crowing of finding a new discovery that will revolutionize the entire field of classical history.

    A bit from Wiki, though I refuse to do the Katharine thing and waste copious amounts of commenting space.

    “The Piltdown Man was a paleoanthropological hoax in which bone fragments were presented as the fossilized remains of a previously unknown early human. In 2016, the results of an extensive scientific review established that amateur archaeologist Charles Dawson had very likely perpetrated the hoax”

    • Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager
  47. Lot says:
    @Curious Person

    Look at the reference. Bangle Lady was closer to the Modern English than African sample!

    Page 8 here:

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/7F56A0182B98BB25EAC3A62113CFBCC0/S0003598X00099816a.pdf/lady_of_york_migration_ethnicity_and_identity_in_roman_britain.pdf

    You measure enough Romano-English skulls, and some are going to be outliers.

    Notice the PC authors of the article don’t use any southern Europe or North African reference populations, just 19th Century English, African, and an African American sample that appears to be about 50% white, even though the average African American is more like 18-20% white. Wonder why they picked thay sample?

    • Replies: @Curious Person
    , @res
  48. @Lot

    You got something against phrenology? 😉

    • Replies: @res
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
  49. Liza says:

    This is all irrelevant. Who cleared the land, who built a successful, impressive civilization and kept it going for a good long time? I’m not bothered by the presence of a few, very few, nonwhites in Britain eons ago.

  50. ic1000 says:
    @Lot

    Quickly looking via Google, there’s an awful lot of hand-waving by Beard’s internet allies and apologists. But by the “preponderance of the evidence” standard, I accept the narrow point as correct: In Roman Britain, there were individuals from Africa.

    Hardly surprising that a province of an Empire known for its mobile army and for forced population movements, would have people from other provinces.

    But there’s sleight of hand even there. Then even more so than now, the people of North Africa — The Mahgreb — were not the same as those living on the southern side of the Sahara Desert. Lots of Roman Africans were “white,” as Ta-Nehisi Coates would see it.

    Best pro-Beard evidence, from Prof. Matthew Nicholls of Reading University:

    The emperor Septimius Severus (himself in fact an African [sic, see above], from Libya) was inspecting his troops on the Wall when one of the garrison’s well-known jokers, an ‘Ethiopian’, offered him a garland.

    Severus was startled by the apparent omen, associating the soldier’s black colour as a portent of his own imminent death, but no-one seems to have been particularly surprised at the presence of an ‘Ethiopian’ (that is, a black African) at the northern edge of the Roman empire (Hist. Aug. Severus 22).

    Did these (North) Africans leave a significant genetic imprint on Britain? No. Did they have a distinct cultural impact? Harder to say, but no evidence of that, either.

  51. @Lot

    Thanks. I thought it seemed bizarre they used 19th century American reference samples.

    But don’t worry about the pesky question of race! The authors state:

    The suggestion that ancestry assessment is racist, or that scientific techniques result in biological determinism or reductivism, is misguided. The identification of descent and geographical origin says nothing about the historically specific social identities of these individuals

    • Replies: @guest
  52. @YetAnotherAnon

    For what it’s worth, today is Shakespeare’s birthday. Though some like to claim it was yesterday, St George’s Day.

    We didn’t make it into the city for Merlin’s Rest’s annual celebration– they seem to have downplayed it this year. I missed seeing the morris dancers. But we celebrated at home with fish and chips.

    Okay, fish sticks and frozen fries from Aldi’s. Though I did have vinegar on mine.

    It’s a big deal in Nottingham.

    Today I got a cookbook in a library sale. It has a century-old recipe for Cornish pasties. (No, not for century-old pasties.) I’ll be ready next March 5th!

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  53. @ic1000

    From the infamously least reliable source in history, at least half of which is estimated to be pure fabrication.

  54. Simon says:

    After the 9/11 attacks, the London Review of Books published a symposium of various leftist public intellectuals that can only be described as “gloating.” Here’s the conclusion of Mary Beard’s piece, which seems to me not only vile (“the United States had it coming”) but also simply wrong-headed (e.g., that suicidal terrorists are rare):

    But almost the oddest response has been our terrified certainty that there remains a plentiful supply of suicide pilots and bombers. Anyone who has scratched the surface of early Christianity will realise that full-blown martyrs are a rare commodity, much more numerous in the imagination than on the ground.

    The horror of the tragedy was enormously intensified by the ringside seats we were offered through telephone answering machines and text-messages. But when the shock had faded, more hard-headed reaction set in. This wasn’t just the feeling that, however tactfully you dress it up, the United States had it coming. That is, of course, what many people openly or privately think. World bullies, even if their heart is in the right place, will in the end pay the price.

    But there is also the feeling that all the ‘civilised world’ (a phrase which Western leaders seem able to use without a trace of irony) is paying the price for its glib definitions of ‘terrorism’ and its refusal to listen to what the ‘terrorists’ have to say. There are very few people on the planet who devise carnage for the sheer hell of it. They do what they do for a cause; because they are at war. We might not like their cause; but using the word ‘terrorism’ as an alibi for thinking what drives it will get us nowhere in stopping the violence. Similarly, ‘fanaticism’, a term regularly applied to extraordinary acts of bravery when we abhor their ends and means. The silliest description of the onslaught on the World Trade Center was the often repeated slogan that it was a ‘cowardly’ attack.

  55. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    What is she trying to prove in saying that there was an African in Roman Britain?

    she’s trying to justify the flooding of the UK with third world trash

  56. Off topic. Another story for Coulter’s Our-New-Country’s-Going-to-be-Great file:

    “Couple get 7 years in prison each for enslaving Guinean girl”

    https://apnews.com/c89d6da7ba7b422a860c6d93442ddb65

  57. @Dave Pinsen

    That retconquistadoringly cartoonish picture is just the latest Current Year’s reenactment of ” Funny Thing Happened to Maggie Gyllenhaal and Idris Elba On Their Way to the Forum”

    • LOL: Dave Pinsen, Escher
  58. @dearieme

    The yobs pay their fees too. Why shouldn’t one of their own get her own program now and again?

  59. @Anonymous

    No, it’s a malediction and intended to be.

  60. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    This is what I really want to know too. How the hell did these sub-saharans get to Europe? My experience of leftist academics is that their general knowledge outside their specialist field is woeful, and I suspect Mary Beard would struggle to draw a rough outline map of Africa.

    Didn’t some Roman soldiers with much effort get to Lake Chad at one stage with much effort? I guess it wasn’t so hard to walk the other way and take up residence in a villa in London.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  61. @Lot

    I also thought that the program used was considered buggy and gave inaccurate results when tested back in 2012. However because the archaeologists were not as woke then people just assumed it was wrong, now that same program “proves” that blacks were in Ancient Britain. Has Steve has said “Who? Whom?”

  62. anonymous[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @ic1000

    Best pro-Beard evidence, from Prof. Matthew Nicholls of Reading University:

    The emperor Septimius Severus (himself in fact an African [sic, see above], from Libya) was inspecting his troops on the Wall when one of the garrison’s well-known jokers, an ‘Ethiopian’, offered him a garland.

    Severus was startled by the apparent omen, associating the soldier’s black colour as a portent of his own imminent death, but no-one seems to have been particularly surprised at the presence of an ‘Ethiopian’ (that is, a black African) at the northern edge of the Roman empire (Hist. Aug. Severus 22).

    The Augustan History is not exactly the most reliable source…..

    Also, the prof’s description of the Ethiopian soldier is a tad disingenuous, as the anecdote clearly implies that Ethiopian troops were not exactly thick on the ground in Roman Britain (i.e.,if there were lots of Black troops on the Wall, the Ethiopian’s color would have been less portentous).

  63. anonymous[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @ic1000

    Best pro-Beard evidence, from Prof. Matthew Nicholls of Reading University:

    The emperor Septimius Severus (himself in fact an African [sic, see above], from Libya) was inspecting his troops on the Wall when one of the garrison’s well-known jokers, an ‘Ethiopian’, offered him a garland.

    Severus was startled by the apparent omen, associating the soldier’s black colour as a portent of his own imminent death, but no-one seems to have been particularly surprised at the presence of an ‘Ethiopian’ (that is, a black African) at the northern edge of the Roman empire (Hist. Aug. Severus 22).

    As sources go, the Augustan History is not very reliable…..

    Also, the prof’s description of the Ethiopian soldier is a tad disingenuous, as the anecdote clearly implies that Ethiopian troops were not exactly thick on the ground in Roman Britain (i.e.,if there were lots of Black troops on the Wall, the Ethiopian’s color would have been less portentous).

  64. notanon says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Question: Why all of a recent sudden, is it so important for these classicists to insist that GB thousands of years ago was multi-racial? Why can’t they accept the established historical fact that GB and almost all of Western Europe was basically all white (mono-racial), while being multi-ethnic? Why’s that such a problem for them?

    They are pushing the idea that Europe/Britain was always multi-racial cos if they accept white Europeans are indigenous then it contradicts the UN declaration on indigenous peoples.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_on_the_Rights_of_Indigenous_Peoples#Content

    The Blair govt passed a law explicitly saying white brits weren’t indigenous for that reason.

    It’s a pre-condition of their campaign of stealth genocide which they don’t need in the US.

    • Agree: jim jones
  65. anonymous[314] • Disclaimer says:

    from colour of ancient statues

  66. OT: This time it was real, not the wind, and a month later no suspects have been found. I also find it odd that it dropped off the news within days of the incident.

    Dozens of Jewish cemetery gravestones vandalized with anti-Semitic graffiti in Fall River

    The messages ranged from “heil Hitler” to “Oy vey! This is MAGA country.”

    https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2019/03/19/fall-river-jewish-cemetery-vandalism

    I found about it Monday evening at a massive seder hosted by non-Jew Phil Lesh, bassist for the Grateful Dead and at age 79 still very musically active, at Terrapin Crossroads, the music venue and restaurant he owns in San Rafael, Marin County CA. It was mentioned by the seder leader who happens to live in that SE MA area and the mother of the drummer in the band that evening.

  67. Mary Beard got a bit of a twitter kicking from Helena Morrissey too which is good and interesting as it suggests there might be people in Britain’s ruling class breaking from the pattern of depressing negativity they’ve been in the past few years. https://twitter.com/MorrisseyHelena/status/1119289230134476801?s=19

  68. istevefan says:
    @Verymuchalive

    …even if their facial reconstruction does try to insinuate she was black.

    Even if we accept that this fossil was black, in the big picture what difference does it make? It seems Beard and others are trying to say that if 1 person of a particular ancestry lived in what is now the UK at any point in history, then an unfettered number of that particular ancestry must be allowed to live in the UK today. That once a singular example of a particular tribe inhabits the UK, all members of that tribe forever have a right to reside in the UK.

    If one were to use that logic, then you could argue that since Marco Polo lived for a time in China, modern Europeans should be allowed unfettered access to do the same. In fact you could make this argument for hundreds of groups in scores of nations around the world.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Verymuchalive
  69. El Dato says:
    @Whiskey

    But Harry Potter is white!

  70. Toddy Cat says:
    @ic1000

    Agreed, given that Rome was a multinational empire, it wouldn’t be surprising to find a few exotics here and there, but there simply weren’t that many Sub-Saharan Africans in the Roman Empire anywhere, let alone Britain, and the few that were there left behind very few traces. I mean, there were 58 Chinese that served in the American Civil War, but digging up one of their skeletons from Arlington would not warrant assuming that China played a major role in that war.

    But, of course, Mary Beard knows that. She’s not stupid, only pretending to be…

  71. Hey, now that they’ve “proven” that Cheddar man was a PoC, Britain is free to be reclaimed by its “rightful” owners … F*** off, white man.

  72. JimB says:

    Looks like Mary Beard 86ed your truthy response to her fake history. Clearly, though, she has no shortage of cringy admirers, like the swole faced Sandra Oliveira.

  73. jb says:

    Mary Beard walking it back:

    It would be probably be wrong to say she came from subsaharan Africa (though that was reported). It isn’t what I am saying.

    • Replies: @guest
  74. Silva says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Isn’t there something in Africa called the Sahara?”

    Yes, but it’s cut by the Nile, so there’s one place where it was crossed routinely, e.g. from non-Roman Nubia (i.e. Sudan; sometimes called “Ethiopia” in old sources) to Roman Egypt. It’s plausible, and there’s reports, that some *minuscule* number of blacks did end in Europe (possibly also a few traders, though generally just crossing into Egypt achieved everything they’d want; yes, some slaves too):

    “After inspecting the wall near the rampart in Britain… just as he [Severus] was wondering what omen would present itself, an Ethiopian [Nubian] from a military unit, who was famous among buffoons and always a notable joker, met him with a garland of cypress. And when Severus in a rage ordered that the man be removed from his sight, troubled as he was by the man’s ominous colour and the ominous nature of the garland, [the Ethiopian] by way of jest cried, it is said, “You have been all things, you have conquered all things, now, O conqueror, be a god.” ”

    (Note that any of those that stayed for life would likely have an European wife and children with Roman customs looking forward to a place in Roman society, wiping out any distinctiveness near-immediately.)

    Of course your point of Europe being overwhelmingly multi-ethnic and mono-racial (for the 5-7 big races) stands.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  75. istevefan says:

    I’m talking about a wide range of issues in study of the ancient world, from colour of ancient statues

    Late last year I think we discussed the color of statues issue. At that time the experts were telling us that the all white marble statues which we see today only look that way because the original paint had worn off. So they attempted to show us what those statues would have looked like when they were painted.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/megQsnTi5T2czQcWA

    It turns out that instead of having a uniform bone white appearance, those statues actually had skin tones, and hair and eye color which resembled Europeans. In other words seeing those statues painted only reinforced the fact that they were indeed depictions of Europeans.

    So I don’t understand what this lady is going to be discussing when it comes to the issue of the color of ancient statues.

    This seems like an own goal to me.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  76. L Woods says:
    @jimmyriddle

    Please bring it on already.

  77. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Rome had fairly extensive relations with Nubia and intermittent relations with Abyssinia, and it’s not inconceivable that small numbers of people from these places, or their descendants, were at some point in various parts of the Empire engaged in trade or military service or other purposes. Remember, for instance, the Ethiopian in Acts.

    After all, if one were to insist that ancient China thousands of years ago was mono-racial (no Sub-Saharans in China thousands of years ago) these people wouldn’t put up an argument to the contrary, they’d nod their heads in agreement.

    Well, there were certainly Caucasians in ancient China. There seem to have been some Negritos too, who were probably indistinguishable from Negroes to the Chinese.

    This stuff is pretty silly but opposition to it doesn’t have to entail categorical denial.

    • Replies: @Silva
  78. Thomm says:

    It would be funnier if Steve left out just two letters from the title, making it :

    “Me and My Beard”.

  79. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    what’s left unsaid by these leftists is that they apparently think these black and brown races are too stupid or too lazy to build their own decent countries

  80. guest says:

    “the colour of ancient statues”

    Not sure what the point is supposed to be. Aside from, “Oh, they had color? Okay.”

    It’s not as though we find out the statues are supposed to look like Wesley Snipes.

    “what white supremacist groups find in the classical world”

    Stuff like xenophobia, hierarchy, civic religion, societies literally built around fortresses, women barred from public life, slavery. You know, all the things you hated about it before you decided white supreeemists shouldn’t have toys to play with.

  81. Silva says:
    @ic1000

    I’m aware that Sudan (the referred-to “Ethiopia”) is often classified as North Africa, but that’s for calling the Sudanese “Arabs” by the language criterion (which I don’t mean is wrong), but they’re clearly overwhelmingly of Sub-Saharan race (if Sudan didn’t speak an Arabic language, I’m pretty sure nobody would call it “North Africa”). Nubians were famed (infantry) archers; if Romans carried around mercenaries from Ukraine/Russia (Alan mounted archers), why not Sudan (both outside Rome but adjacent)? That said, either they found their way back home or were near-immediately absorbed, because yes, the evidence they changed the ethnic composition just doesn’t exist. Note too that the Emperor himself saw one (1) black and freaked out, so how many were way out there?

  82. David says:

    On the subject of painted Greek statues, I recently came across a passage in The Republic where Socrates discusses painting statues. So it’s especially funny to have a classicist claim that the knowledge that the Greeks painted statues was ever lost to us.

    Suppose that we were painting a statue, and some one came up to us and said, Why do you not put the most beautiful colours on the most beautiful parts of the body—the eyes ought to be purple, but you have made them black…

  83. guest says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Roman Britain *was* multi-ethnic. Why, it had Romans AND Britons.

  84. David says:

    One more thing on Classics. I was just given a copy of Pamela Mensch’s new translation of Diogenes Laertius. I’m glad to have it for some of the critical essays that make up a big part of her book, but I’d already enjoyed R. D. Hicks’ translation for years.

    So when I looked at her text, it didn’t take me long to see that she’d just translated Hicks by changing the occasional word and reordering clauses in sentences. There’s no sign that she ever looked at the Greek text. She simply never deviates in any meaningful way from Hicks unless she makes an off-color joke, that Hicks had obscured, clearer to a modern audience.

    Her whole book is a case of stolen scholarship, even if she does mention Hicks in her introduction. Someday Englishmen will have accomplished nothing and we’ll supposedly owe everything we know about the ancient world to Jewish ladies, and the occasional gross WASP like Mary Beard.

  85. guest says:
    @Curious Person

    So like Halle Berry maybe?

  86. @Verymuchalive

    Must be embarrassing to tell people you went to the ‘University of Reading.’

  87. Mary Beard will explain that white people are not in reality the color of Carrara marble.

  88. @Space Ghost

    “Weren’t the Romans invaders? Why are we celebrating their presence?”

    Now that you mention it, they also built a couple walls at their expense. Mexico should consider itself on notice.

  89. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “… it doesn’t add up, it makes no sense …”

    I can only describe it as mass hysteria among large swaths of highly-educated progressive whites in the Western world. It is obvious that cultural Marxism has become a religion to prog-whites. I am around some these people and enjoy an occasional sarcastic snicker at their delusional distress. But the problem is a lot of these nutcases are in positions of power within our political system and culture.

  90. El Dato says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    It’s actually pronounced “Redding”, as in “Redpilling” without the pill part.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  91. @istevefan

    I agree with you. The report by the University of Reading Archaeologist only said that one of her parents may have been North African Caucasian. Nothing unusual there. A small number of North African Caucasian burials have been found during the Roman period.

    https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/hadrians-wall/0/steps/5121

  92. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Dear Bull, I did not go to the University of Reading. Much to my utter disgust, I went to a University that is now ranked in the top 20 in the World. Even in my day ( early 1980s ) standards were deteriorating rapidly. I was shocked to see its present position. So when Mr Steve prattles on about Harvard and Yale, treat it with the scepticism it deserves. Think Jared Kushner !

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  93. @carol

    A big-city police chief? Didn’t file his taxes? Claimed fraudulent deductions when he did file? No big woop!

    For I while you had me there, that Dinesh was involved — a different D’Souza.

  94. @Liza

    Yeah, whatever.

    Its called establishing a precedent. If people accept one fantastic thing, then they’re more likely to accept other equally ridiculous fantastic things as well (e.g. Sub-Saharan ghettos existed in China two thousand yrs ago, etc). It’s like, what else is coming that they’re going to teach that isn’t so?

    Some people believe anything. Better to have a problem, put the foot down, and “No! Stop teaching screwed up fables as factual history!”

    A few decades ago, Mary Beard would’ve been laughed off of her high horse and no peer reviewed journal would’ve had anything to do with her work. Now, her and her ilk are taken as gospel for established teaching of history.

    • Replies: @Silva
  95. dearieme says:
    @Liza

    Who cleared the land? Presumably the Neolithic Britons.

    who built a successful, impressive civilization and kept it going for a good long time? the descendants of those Bronze Age Britons who exterminated the Neolithic Britons.

  96. 216 says:

    ANTI WHITE RACISM

    Empire co-creator Lee Daniels told a NYC morning show today that the fate of Jussie Smollett on the Fox hit is “in discussions” right now, but Taraji P. Henson, Terrence Howard and the rest of the top cast of the series have already made their decision.

    “Together, as a united front, we stand with Jussie Smollett and ask that our co-star, brother and friend be brought back for our sixth season of Empire,” the Oscar nominees and the rest of the fictional Lyon clan said in an April 19th letter that Deadline has obtained that was sent to Fox Entertainment CEO Charlie Collier, Disney TV Studios and ABC Entertainment chair Dana Walden, Fox Entertainment president Michael Thorn, Daniels, Empire co-creator Danny Strong and various executive producers on the series.

    https://deadline.com/2019/04/empire-cast-crew-letter-jussie-smolett-return-fox-disney-1202601208/

  97. Anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:

    They say Northern Europe was a global hub in ancient times.

    In the sense that it was encroached upon by Roman imperialists. That was NOT a pleasant process. Neither was the Hun imperialist migrations in Germania. And finally, the Germanic invasions of Rome weren’t pleasant either.

    Many non-Romans, even non-whites, streamed into Rome as slaves or as subjects of the Roman Empire. I don’t see Jews celebrating the burning of Jerusalem because it was so multi-culti to invade and scatter populations.

    In later eras, European cities were global hubs as imperialist trading centers. Lot of slave trade went through Liverpool. I thought all that stuff was BAD, but now it’s becoming a point of pride. “Look, blacks visited Liverpool long ago! Multi-culturalism.”

    And then this business with finding odd non-European skeletons in northern Europe. So what? Maybe some Viking skeletons will be found one day in parts of Northeast America because of Leif Erikson or something. So, what does that prove? American Indians were not really Indian but white because a few whites made it to the Americas? And because whites settled in South Africa, sub-Saharan Africa isn’t black? And because Spanish conquered South America, the notion of brown indigenous folks is a fantasy? And because Mongols made it to Russia and as far as Poland, it’s wrong to speak of white Slavs?

    I suppose mostly Mongoloid race of Japanese is also a fantasy because of a bit of Ainu mixture among the modern Japanese.

    • Replies: @Silva
  98. dr kill says:
    @El Dato

    Maybe the Shereef of Nottingham was Somali, and he accidentally discharged an arrow, dispatching an Australian concubine wearing only her night clothes.

  99. OT: Computer-centric brain -> transsexual tendencies alert! Huge survey of software developers includes this insight,”We also see differences with gender, with women writing their first code later than men and non-binary respondents writing code earlier than men.” https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019

  100. Anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    The problem is, of course, proportionality and emblematism.

    There may have been black African who took European wives in the ancient world, but it was hardly the norm, the main feature of society. So, to present an image like that is like showing African folks in terms of white husband and black wife. Yes, such exists, but it’s not what most of black Africa is about.

    Also, it’s all tied in with current agenda. The new ideal in UK is black man and white woman for various reasons. To push and justify this template, they are retro-fitting all of past history. There is a reason why UK is called Cuck-Island.

  101. res says:
    @Lot

    Thanks for digging into that. The dog that is not barking here is the DNA analysis. Doing one would be a simple way to get a much better sense of her background.

  102. res says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    It’s funny that the evidence here is obtained through a means (skull measurements) that would be considered irredeemably racist in most other contexts.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  103. istevefan says:
    @res

    Yes. What happened to color is only skin deep?

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  104. keypusher says:

    From Peter Frost’s blog:

    Leach et al. (2009) provide evidence for intense foreign settlement. At one burial ground near Roman York, craniometric analysis revealed that 66% of the individuals clustered most closely with Europeans, 23% with sub-Saharan Africans, and 11% with Egyptians. At another, the proportions were 53% European, 32% sub-Saharan, and 15% Egyptian (Leach et al., 2009).

    In a subsequent article, Leach et al. (2010) focus on one burial: a young woman 18 to 23 years old who had been buried between 350 and 400 AD. The authors dubbed her the ‘Lady of York’ because of her stone coffin and its rich array of grave goods, apparently a sign of high status. Nonetheless, her skull showed little or no affinity to any European population, the closest match being a sample of African-American women.

    http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2010/07/african-community-in-roman-britain.html?m=1

    So, putting aside the rather delicious irony of using skull analysis to determine race, it’s not as if there’s nothing for Beard to point to other than the cartoon and one burial. [Edit] I see Lot already posted Leach’s 2009 paper.

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/7F56A0182B98BB25EAC3A62113CFBCC0/S0003598X00099816a.pdf/lady_of_york_migration_ethnicity_and_identity_in_roman_britain.pdf

    …and made the following point:

    “Notice the PC authors of the article don’t use any southern Europe or North African reference populations, just 19th Century English, African, and an African American sample that appears to be about 50% white, even though the average African American is more like 18-20% white. Wonder why they picked thay sample?”

    Note too that there is a record of an Ethiopian in the northern garrison, as pointed out by ic1000.

  105. @Digital Samizdat

    It seems to be some sort of super phrenology, because from that skull they’ve manage to determine the shape of her nose, her eyes, her lips, and even what sort of hair she had (a rather kinky sort it seems). Ain’t SCIENCE! amazing?

  106. Matra says:

    Sorry OT

    Another hate crime hoax. This time involving no blacks, only Passover worshippers:

    Hate-crime attack staged, Winnipeg police

  107. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    a new discovery that will revolutionize the entire field of classical history

    An important point: it’s not just PC culture fueling this, it’s also strongly influenced by the painful fact (to many in “social” science fields) that most of the important details have already been pored over and analyzed ad absurdum.

    If their careers are to be anything other than petty squabbles over the weight of certain verbs in certain passages in certain texts, they need to find (or invent) a whole new angle. The easiest and most likely to win favor of these is injecting identity politics into any subject. One the first manifestations of this was the “every famous person was secretly a homo” craze which has died off a little as Sub-Saharans take their rightful place at center stage.

    It’s interesting to note the angle that Mary Beard has taken, as opposed to the “women ran Rome!” approach that one would more likely expect from a female academic.

  108. Whitney says:

    How did we train an entire race to hate themselves so much. I really is extraordinary. And this whole Europe has always been multicultural movement is so bizarre because it was close to 100% White within living memory. And of course photographs been around since 1939 so there are lots of photograph. But the accomplishments of Europe offends the world. That’s what it is. It’s not egalitarian for them to succeed so noticeably . I’m European descent so I take interest and pride in its history and accomplishments but looking at the situation today it seems like the end result is a cultural poison that is circling the globe.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  109. Boomercons finally noticing the bullshit Mary Beard and her ilk have been unloading on the nation’s classrooms entirely unopposed for at least a generation:

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/04/meet-the-man-who-wrote-textbook-calling-trump-and-his-supporters-racists.php

    Note that this is Mirengoff, who is usually a difference splitter extraordinaire.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/anti-trump-history-textbook-troubling-trend/

  110. Farenheit says:

    Skull measurements? Isn’t that “phrenology”, a science that was debunked two generations ago?

    • Replies: @guest
  111. @M Krauthammar

    Kraut, things do change, but the tide comes in and the tide goes out, so don’t look too far down the road.

  112. Jack D says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I love the cartoon that they use as “proof”. If there are black people in Roman Britain in some cartoon drawn in the Current Year, then that settles it.

    • Replies: @Anon
  113. Lot says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Why all of a recent sudden, is it so important for these classicists to insist that GB thousands of years ago was multi-racial? ”

    Until about 2010 prestige TV had been getting away with all-white casts in shows set in pre-Third Worldified Europe.

    Now we have to have black African Romans, Greeks, Victorians, Vikings, round table knights.

    And it really is hard to get used to, a poke in the eye at best, like in Victoria and Peaky Blinders where England is supposedly about 3 to 5% black (actually under 0.1%). The new Trojan War series it just ruined the show completely, the Greeks and Trojans looked like a multi-racial 80s action movie gang.

  114. @Whitney

    The entire race? Do you hate yourself? the race? I don’t.

    The ones who do hate don’t hate themselves either. They hate you and Steve and I and their deplorable neighbors.

    Seriously, get a grip.

  115. Lot says:
    @Verymuchalive

    No, Miss Bangle was very unlikely to even be North African.

    The skull program is absolute junk. 1/3 of Spanish are ID’d as Africans.

    Here from Twitter is a result of a Nubian grave analysis. The program IDs the nubians as Norwegian, South African, Irish, etc.

    Mary Beard is a liar and fraud, that is all there is too it.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
  116. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    “When I’m watching my TV and a man comes on and tells me / How white my shirts can be”
    — from the classic song “Laundry Detergent and Bleach Chemists Convention”

  117. Jack D says:
    @notanon

    it’s like the British in India – almost zero genetic impact.

    In Sri Lanka, there are two groups of people called “Dutch Burghers” and “Portuguese Burghers” who are supposedly mixed race people who are descended from unions between Dutch and Portuguese colonists and local women. And many of the Dutch and Portuguese Burghers retain cultural elements of their native lands (although the “Dutch”, just like in the US, pretty much became “English” when ownership of the colony shifted). The “Dutch” tend to be of a higher class and Protestant while the “Portuguese” are Catholic and mostly involved with skilled (but manual) craftsmanship rather than high finance. But, here is the crazy thing – when you look at the “Dutch Burghers” and “Portuguese Burghers” most of them don’t look one bit Dutch or Portuguese any more – they look like everyone else in Sri Lanka which is to say a nice toasty brown (S.Asians are quite dark).

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @moshe
    , @Johann Ricke
    , @rob
  118. Yak-15 says:

    At this point, China doesn’t need to lift a finger against the west. It can just bide it’s time buying up farmland and mines in Africa while gently encouraging the flood into Western Europe and the US.

    After 100 years, we will never be a threat again. In fact, I could foresee a situation in the future where China sends peace keepers to the US as a pretext to a larger invasion.

  119. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Many, if not most, left for places like Australia and England.

    One of them became an admiral in the USN: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kingsman_Beling .

  120. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    They’re not using it as “proof”, they’re using it as the referent of “this” which apparently “upset[s] people so much”.

  121. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    If you are talking about the pronunciation rather than the standard of the university, then it is pronounced ‘Redding’ not ‘Reading’.

  122. J.Ross says: • Website

    The only interaction we should have with people like this is to report them to their word police for hate speech.

  123. moshe says:
    @Jack D

    To a point Lord Yankel. To a point.

    I’ve met the tallest and whitest of such “Dutch Sri Lankans” who make every claim to local ancestry that they can make…. while abroad and among “Noble Savage” worshipping whites. But whom, at home – by which I mean, visiting their estates – are as WHITE WITH WRITTEN LINEAGE as they come.

    We humans, like all species, descend from people who knew how to Win and Loved it.

    • Replies: @Anon
  124. @Jack D

    But, here is the crazy thing – when you look at the “Dutch Burghers” and “Portuguese Burghers” most of them don’t look one bit Dutch or Portuguese any more – they look like everyone else in Sri Lanka which is to say a nice toasty brown (S.Asians are quite dark)

    Not entirely surprising. Unless they only married within the community, this group would, in time, become increasingly Indian, DNA-wise, just as Anglo-Indians abroad would looking increasingly like the surrounding community. It was interesting to find out the source of Boris Karloff’s formidable-looking eyebrows, though:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Karloff

  125. @Yak-15

    We will always be a threat. The whites they’d be conquering are even now only a threat to the value of the US securities they hold.

  126. istevefan says:
    @Yak-15

    After 100 years, we will never be a threat again. In fact, I could foresee a situation in the future where China sends peace keepers to the US as a pretext to a larger invasion.

    So long as we remain the world’s largest nuclear power, we will always remain a threat. There should come a point where France, the UK and even the USA start to consider giving up their nukes like the South Africans did before they handed over power.

  127. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @moshe

    That’s an interseting story.

    Some Tamils are pretty tall too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tharjini_Sivalingam .

    I’d be surprised if more than a few Dutch burghers owned tea estates.

  128. Bernie’s dad sold paint. Wonder if Bernie could handle the debate on whiteness among the pigment chemists now that he is Woke. Paint is a subject with a lot of room for lengthy deliberations on what exactly constitutes whiteness, especially if some nitpicking artists get involved in the discussion. Don’t get them started on the difference between warm and cool whites. There will be no bending to political coreectness in defining the purest white. As hard as Bernie is trying to avoid alienating the minority vote, like he somehow did last time by not groveling enough when the BLM ladies pushed him away from the microphone, he’d probably shy away, losing some of those Rust Belter cross overs.

  129. Eagle Eye says:

    OT

    In the UK, Sergei and Yulia Skripal are STILL DEAD.

    Their elimination was necessitated by the need felt by U.S./UK Deep State actors to keep the “Russiagate” charade going a little longer.

    Many other aspects of the Standard Narrative are now in a state of disarray.

    … Sergei has not called his 91-year-old mother Yelena. If he is indeed being looked after by British security services, in order to protect him from another assassination attempt, then why hasn’t he been allowed to call home to say he’s ok? A simple ‘Hi Mum, don’t worry about me, I’m being looked after and I’m fine’ would suffice.

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/457010-skripal-ducks-children-cia/

  130. @tanabear

    Nassim Taleb also got into a feud with Mary Beard.

    https://medium.com/east-med-project-history-philology-and-genetics/something-is-broken-in-the-uk-intellectual-sphere-7efc9a1f154a

    That mean Mr. Taleb really laid out the hate facts in his response, lol.

  131. @istevefan

    Thanks to modern cultural-Marxist science, we now know that being constantly subjected to racism can change the shape of your skull!

  132. You gotta love the logic here:

    2000 years ago an aggressive invading empire conquered Briton and brought in a grab bag of foreigners against the will of the natives, and therefore…it is a moral imperative for the same thing to happen again.

  133. Keypusher says:
    @Lot

    Thanks, Lot. The percentages of SSA Leach was reporting in his garrison towns (20-30%) seemed nuts. Good to know they were.

  134. @Cowboy shaw

    From Wikipedia on Trans-Saharan Trade:

    “The earliest evidence for domesticated camels in the region dates from the 3rd century [AD]. Used by the Berber people, they enabled more regular contact across the entire width of the Sahara, but regular trade routes did not develop until the beginnings of the Islamic conversion of West Africa in the 7th and 8th centuries.”

    You could get across the Sahara before camels, but it wasn’t fun.

  135. Hibernian says:
    @dearieme

    Sounds like she’s a bourgeois radical.

  136. guest says:
    @Curious Person

    What’s the matter with historically specific social identities? Oh yeah, they might be “racist.” Even if they match up with ancestry assessments and geographical descent or whatever.

  137. guest says:
    @ic1000

    People might be surprised by how often the “no one seems to have been particularly surprised” standard is used in various underservedly respected fields. They read these old sources and put themselves in the heads of characters, noting what they do and don’t notice. Which is fine if it’s a matter of “we know X knew about Y because he wrote about it in Z.” But it turns into wild speculation quickly.

  138. guest says:
    @jb

    That’s not walking it back. That’s a blatant lie. She literally said sub-saharan skeletal evidence.

    • Replies: @jb
  139. guest says:
    @Farenheit

    Phrenology is specifically about skull shape and personality. The skull measurement we’re talking here is purely physical.

  140. @Desiderius

    It seems the whole Power Line team is marching smartly rightward these days. Hinderaker’s current views would be pretty commonplace over here, and obviously he’s a reader, since he’s linked some of Steve’s posts; Scott Johnson has morphed into the scourge of Somali crime in MN; Hayward is exuding culture warrior joy more than ever; and now even Mirengoff has gone off on a culture war crusade.

    I sense them all getting older, i.e. past or coming up to retirement age, and not caring nearly as much how ‘winsome’ their views are perceived to be.

    It’s a good sign.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  141. J.Ross says: • Website
    @istevefan

    She will either omit that part or zero in on the one black one.

  142. @The Last Real Calvinist

    It’s not so much rightward as ballsier. They’re getting their feet back under them. The gaslighting of the Obama years threw us all for a loop but now we’ve recalibrated.

  143. @El Dato

    Uh, yes. I did actually know that. Not a great joke, but still.

  144. @Verymuchalive

    I did not mean to suggest you personally went to Reading. Top 20 in the world? Must have been Hull.

    Again, not a joke at your expense. A friend went to Reading, and I never tired of that joke, although he did.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  145. @al gore rhythms

    Oh boy. Though after that joke, I don’t blame you for thinking I’m that dumb.

  146. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    How would they cross the Sahara? The same way they built the great cathedrals of Europe and the pyramids of Egypt that have stood for millennium. Try speaking with someone of sub-Saharan descent and learn something. I was very surprised to recently learn that Shakespeare, Beethoven and Mary, Queen of Scots were all undeniably black. DNA testing is bullshit white man joojoo meant to confuse and befuddle the weak minded.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  147. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rufio Panman Fan

    What a crock!

    How could black people think of appropriating our great Sri Lankan playwright Shakespereira?

  148. eah says:

    They give a few helpful suggestions about the kind of “ideas” they are looking for.

    Our Call for Papers for the @britishmuseum National Programmes 2019 Conference is out, and we want your ideas!

  149. Escher says:
    @El Dato

    It wasn’t their fault. After all, all roads did lead to Rome.
    OTOH, how many paved roads did Africa have in Roman times?

  150. duncsbaby says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Merlin’s Rest> Brit’s Pub.

  151. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I did appreciate the joke. I was back at my old University ( on a commercial contract ) for a few months 2 years ago. The fall-off and debasement of standards in the Arts and Social Studies shocked even me. I can only think that the STEM sector was behind its high rankings.
    I’m sure the Universities of Hull and Reading are better.

  152. Brutusale says:
    @Yak-15

    At least our future overlords make no bones about what they prefer.

  153. jb says:
    @guest

    Yes (as someone pointed out in the very next tweet). But pretending you didn’t say what you clearly said is certainly one form of “walking it back.” And really, she didn’t have to post that tweet at all, she could have just let her earlier tweets stand, so I’ve got to give her some credit.

  154. @Steve Sailer

    You could get across the Sahara before camels, but it wasn’t fun.

    And that was just north-south. It was never crossed west-to-east until 1987.

    This account sounds like the second-worst honeymoon idea ever, after the Hitlers’:

    Impossible Journey: Two Against The Sahara

    An earlier attempt makes good gripping reading for a cold winter’s day:

    Geoffrey Moorhouse and The Fearful Void

  155. Seems relevant:

    Mary’s just trying to get her groove back without leaving home.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  156. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    Mary’s just trying to get her groove back without leaving home.

    Who is Mary?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Desiderius
  157. @Silva

    Not exactly so. Ethiopia in ancient world corresponds with modern Ethiopia. Perhaps part of modern Sudan (which was called Nubia back in the ancient day) was a part of Ethiopia, but back then Ethiopia then = Modern Ethiopia. And, the ENTIRE Saharan desert is cut thru by the Nile? All 2000 miles worth? Come on. And that would presuppose that tons of caravans of Subs would be consciously making the trek toward Western Europe via the Egyptian trade routes, then thru Mediterranean, etc. It’s like, people really have no idea how difficult traveling was in the Ancient World compared to 2019.

    Also, there would have to be 100% proven beyond a reasonable doubt that thousands of Sub-Saharans actually used the route and made it up to Western Europe. Just cause “it could’ve happened” doesn’t mean that it did in actual point of fact.

    Best not to give in to possibilities. Let the Left prove their asinine ideas with fact, otherwise it’s total BS.

    • Replies: @Silva
  158. @Rufio Panman Fan

    Joojoo is now PIT’s starting WR since Antonio Brown went to OAK.

  159. @Steve Sailer

    Notice the quotation: AD as in AFTER the time period people are generally discussing (BC). This is AFTER the Roman Republic ended, and as the Roman Empire was in its last stages.

    No one’s arguing vs the fact that Islam made contact with Sub-Sahara peoples. That’s long been accepted as historical fact. But apparently that’s simply not good enough for the likes of Mary Beard, since the 7th-8th centuries AD is well past her field of expertise. Also, Beard would have to deal with the most unpleasant fact that Islam had a specific reason for crossing into Sub-Saharan area: Conquest and slaves. Which is largely what they did with the area. The Saharan slave trade for Islam began and lasted much longer than the North Atlantic Slave Trade, in some cases, into the 20th century. And yet, for all that, today there isn’t a very large presence of Sub-Saharan blacks in the Middle East (as far as DNA admixture goes).

  160. Anonymous[398] • Disclaimer says:
    @al gore rhythms

    Fantastic name. Why didnt I think of it?

  161. The Tide is turning!

    Tide, get it?

    Whiter whites, etc.

  162. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Me and Mary Beard

  163. Anyone here familiar with the book “Ancient and Modern Britons”, written and published in the late 19th/early 20th century by a Scottish historian named David MacRitchie? This one treatise alone is enough to throw every myth and fallacy that white alt-right types cling to and insist upon as the “reality” down the toilet – where they truly belong.

  164. @Anonymous

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/me-and-mary-beard/

    (hoping this doesn’t open up a hole in space-time)

    • Replies: @Anon
  165. J.Ross says: • Website
    @dearieme

    The other day NPR interviewed a professor of the history of medicine at Harvard. The material was an over-cautious, much watered down summary of stuff alternative media people have known for years, leaving a lot out. It is still interesting to hear the mainstream grudgingly admit to any of it. But the speaker, maybe she had suffered a stroke (though I don’t think so) did this? uhhh obama thing? uhhh where every single sentence fragment? uhhh discussing a book she had presumably written? uhhh she has to think? uhhh think in such a way as to make apparent her Wagnerian cranial effort? uhhh every segment? uhhh distorting the structure of the sentence? uhhh for the whole interview?
    And nothing she had was a bombshell, nothing original, nothing that would be new to a person already familiar with the perfidies and getaways of Big Pharma. Her big reveal at the end was Ben Goldacre’s placebo argument from ten years ago.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  166. @J.Ross

    That’s what constant self-censorship does to a person.

  167. Silva says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Just one of the things you get wrong:

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+8:27&version=NIV
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandake .

    (Others can be seen just from actually reading what I wrote.)

  168. Silva says:
    @Anon

    That “Ethiopian” was, in terms of the current countries, Sudanese (historically: Nubian/Kushite; see my reply to Y/Z). “Ethiopia” in Greek (as “Sudan” in Arabic) means basically “Blackland”; it’s in use now because the other historical name “Abyssinia” would imply exclusion of the non-Habesha Oromos who at 40% just happen to be the largest ethnicity. (Abyssinia did have half-Oromo emperors without any thought of changing its name, but that was before nationalism.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @keypusher
  169. Silva says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “A few” (4 full) decades ago Mary Beard taught at King’s College.

  170. Silva says:
    @Anonymous

    Multiculturalism *never* existed for any reason other than imperialism, and emperors have been bragging about how tolerant of diversity they were for millenia.

  171. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Silva

    Well, it’s hard to tell. He doesn’t seem to have been a member of the royal family, so he could be a member of a minority ethnicity in the Kushite kingdom. A number of commentators think he was Jewish by religion, which would seem to have been rare among Kushites proper, though he may have been converted.

  172. keypusher says:
    @Silva

    Indeed, the Greek root-word (aitheops, roughly) literally means burnt-face.

  173. rob says:
    @Jack D

    “when you look at the “Dutch Burghers” and “Portuguese Burghers” most of them don’t look one bit Dutch or Portuguese any more – they look like everyone else in Sri Lanka which is to say a nice toasty brown (S.Asians are quite dark).”

    It’s possible that they’re more genotypically European than they are phenotypically. Skin color is, body proportions are, and craniofacial features probably are under selection to local climate. If the mixed race people are in intellectually more demanding occupations, then they’re likely higher in intelligence boosting alleles than alleles affecting skin color, etc.

    • Replies: @Anon
  174. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @rob

    If the mixed race people are in intellectually more demanding occupations

    Relative to Tamils?

    Burghers are typically of the professional class. They also have a traditional presence in government employment, less so nowadays.

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